On today’s Radio Ranch I opened with station updates and some early-morning tech hiccups before we dove into a spirited, caller-driven roundtable on status, jurisdiction, and due process. We explored what happens when people file affidavits to change their legal status, whether past felony convictions and firearm disabilities persist under a “new” legal persona, and how fee schedules, administrative remedies, and challenges to personal vs. subject‑matter jurisdiction actually play out at the counter and in court. Several listeners shared real-world battles over permits, traffic and camera tickets, tolls, and state tax notices—what worked for them, what didn’t, and where appeals or federal suits may be needed. Along the way we referenced case law (Swift v. Tyson, Erie v. Tompkins, Munn v. Illinois, Elk v. Wilkins, United States v. Lopez), statutes and regulations (18 U.S.C. § 1589, 26 CFR 1.1‑1, the Buck Act, 31 CFR 363.6, 28 CFR 29.1), and public resources (Federal Register, Regulations.gov, TreasuryDirect). We also touched current events chatter and media notes (Tucker’s latest interview; Dr. Shiva on mRNA). As always, this show is for new students and seasoned hands alike—come with questions, leave with homework, and keep it peaceful and principled out there.
- 18 U.S.C. § 1589 (Forced labor): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1589
- 26 CFR § 1.1-1 (Income tax on individuals): https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.1-1
- Buck Act (4 U.S.C. §§ 105–110) overview starting at § 105: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/105
- Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/112/94/
- Swift v. Tyson, 41 U.S. 1 (1842): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/41/1/
- Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins, 304 U.S. 64 (1938): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/304/64/
- Munn v. Illinois, 94 U.S. 113 (1877): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/94/113/
- United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549 (1995): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/514/549/
- 31 CFR § 363.6 (Definitions for TreasuryDirect): https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-31/part-363/section-363.6
- 28 CFR § 29.1 (Owner withdrawal from program): https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-28/part-29/section-29.1
- Federal Register (official): https://www.federalregister.gov/
- Regulations.gov (submit comments, track rules): https://www.regulations.gov/
- TreasuryDirect (official portal): https://www.treasurydirect.gov/
- CUSIP Global Services (identifier information): https://www.cusip.com/
- Rumble (platform referenced): https://rumble.com/
- Tucker Carlson (official site): https://www.tuckercarlson.com/
- V.A. Shiva (author/site referenced): https://vashiva.com/
- Republic Broadcasting Network (RBN): https://republicbroadcasting.org/
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Alvin, Alvin, Alvin, so did we. We're gonna try again today here on the October to see if we can maybe alter the trajectory slightly. Radio Ranch, Roger Sales, your host, the fake juice slayer right here. And at this point in the program, the early part, we bring mister Paul out to give, thanks and kudos to all the folks that help us around here. I think we got some today.
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We have a full contingent.
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A full contingent of helpers. That's good. Identify them, please, Paul.
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I will do that. We have WDRN productions, Fort Collins, Colorado with us. They bring us, one zero six point nine WVOU FM Chicago, homenetwork.tv, freedomnation.tv, go live tv, and stream life.tube, and it's part of the Net family of broadcast services. We're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to Paul English, our buddy. Crap the drink. We're on eurofolkradio.com, and let me have to adjust something quite quickly here. We're on eurofolkradio.com thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. And the, the streams through Global Voice are radio.globalvoiceradio.net and, rumble.globalvoiceradio.net because we're also on Rumble. Rumble was the only stream that was actually up and live until very literally moments before we started.
Pod home is now up, GVN is now up, and so is Eurofolks. So No groovy. And then we got a full Everything. Engine today. Thank you.
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Phone.
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Tons of stuff. Our our website, thematrixstocks.com, that's where you'll find links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. Holy smoke. What
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what, what technical hiccups for a Wednesday? Must be hump day. Must be I don't know. I was listening to Corsa. I listened to Brianna and and enjoyed looking at her. She's a very lovely woman. She's only about five foot two, she just said this morning. So she's a little cute, little shorty. And, they went out this morning a few minutes ago too. And I thought with the problems they're having, you know, they've, had the bankruptcy judge, opened the gate for them to get seized. And so yesterday, the new receiver, who's evidently a nice guy, came in. They were in the studio yesterday, in some chairs watching, watching the show, Alex's show go on. And, then, he went off the air to go talk to him. And, they've got the paper signed, and they've in the hands of the new receiver so they could shut it down at any time. I thought that's what they did this morning because it went off for a little bit on the live feed. And I thought, well, they picked the next day to short, but they came back on, so they're not. It'll be, not off yet. It'll be interesting to see with the, the history of this court case, if that's what you could call it. It was a just a damn ambush.
And all their fighting, 10 times they've, kept them at bay, and now it's time, for something to happen. So we'll just wait and see. I thought it was this morning. It wasn't, and it came back on. So that's good. About an hour ago, Paul, about an hour ago, when James Comey turned himself in, I wish they would yeah. Yeah. Him and his wife is with him. I wish they would have done to him what they did to Roger Stone, you know, when that that morning do you remember that? Did you see clips of it? Right? That 29 FBI agents had boats in the canal behind his house, his inflatables.
They all had automatic weapons and everything. They bust in there at 04:30, 05:00 in the morning, drag him out in the front yard in his underwear. His wife has cancer at the time. You know, cancer just thrives on stress. And, so, anyway, I wish they had done that to Comey, but, you know, our side doesn't go after these guys like that. But you can see from the other side in these commie Jew and fake Jew bastards that pulled this off, and I was thinking just as we went on the air. Does the name Andrew Wiseman register with you at all, Paul? Andrew Andy Wiseman?
No. He is a real heinous Jew bastard attorney there in DC. He's worked in and out of the federal government. I guarantee you that scene with Roger Stone, Andrew Weisman dreamed that up and executed him. This is a really bad guy. I mean, he is as bad as there are in that nest of Jew lawyers. He was the guy that screwed up the Enron case. Had the Enron case over overturned and all that. That was Andrew Weisman. But he is a real slimy piece of crap. I think they're going after him. I heard his name in some of the lists of people that were investigating. Boy, he, they need to take to investigate him and throw his ass.
They need to throw his ass so deep he can't get kosher food. Paul, that's how deep they need to throw his ass. So, anyway, that I was thinking about this morning as we go on the air. Sheldon, you came on and said you had an answer to a question that I keep asking that I know the answer to, but I don't know the answer to. Is this something like that? Is you are you the answer man here today?
[00:06:47] Unknown:
No. I'm not by any means, but you always get asked and felons do your procedure, and they can. The only thing they need to do the only thing they need to do is type in one type out one piece of paper. The usual who, what, where, when, and why, you may attach documents in support of your position. I've helped a couple guys do this, and the only thing you do is you say, yes. On such and such date, I was adjudicated whatever. My sentence was completed, fulfilled, whatever, on what date? And you make you stand right there, and you make sure that document end and it doesn't need to be notarized.
You make sure that end your declaration get put in the passport application at the post office, and you're good to go. And it worked.
[00:07:45] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's very interesting. I had thought you know, this is an interesting question. You say I don't know the answer, but I do know the answer. Excuse me. Now hold on a second. You do. Yes. Well, let's look at it from a legal standpoint. When you committed those crimes, it's the same body, but it's a different legal personality. When when that those two people you've been helping now, they were citizens of The United States and had agreed to be so at that point. But now we're going back and we're getting out a different legal personality who may not have been guilty for those crimes, by the way, because they may have been, regulatory or or enforcement crimes that they wouldn't have been subject to if they were nationals. So there's all those lighter shades of gray in there. You know?
But when you file your affidavit, what you're doing is you're changing your legal personality. Now the way that they demonstrate legal personality and somebody brought it up the other day. They were reading something. We'd been talking about this, and they they went and got something to read. And it was talking about the fact that this comes from the Greek back when they would be, thespians, play actors. K? And they would do that by getting on stage and whatever, purse, persona they were playing, they'd have a mask for it. And then they turn around and they change mask and they'd have another persona and they turn around and present that to the crowd. And that's basically a great analogy for your legal personality. Your legal personality is from where do you get it goes it goes back to our formula. Remember how much I stress that.
It's so important, because your legal personality is from where you get your rights and to whom do you owe your duties. I'd love to know how often that's taught in the today's law schools. There's no way of knowing that, of course. But they try and keep all this information hidden, I think, and, what we've been able to glean. And, that's what the deal is. So when you're felons, they did this crime, they did their time, and they were under that other legal personality. Well, now they've changed to legal new legal personality. So let me ask you this, Sheldon.
Part of a felonious charge is that you can't own a gun. Can these guys own a gun? No?
[00:10:13] Unknown:
Yes. Actually, they can because they California, is that the third circuit or the ninth circuit? That happened two years ago. Okay. Well, then you remember two years ago, the ninth circuit made the decision that if it's a nonviolent action, you can own a firearm.
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Amazing that that decision would come out of that circuit, but, yes, I do vaguely remember that.
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Yeah. What's something else that's not amazing? I've been kinda just trying to keep tabs on that. And every time I use Yandex or an American search engine, I can't dig anything up on it. They aren't letting that out at all.
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There was another, and I and maybe I'm negligent. It was there was, what was it? Barnes was saying there was a real big second decision, second amendment decision recently. And I just can't remember what it was. I think it was up in Chicago area in the seventh circuit. I believe we touched on that with Mary a couple of weeks ago. But anyway, the point being is that once you file this affidavit for the general public, if you haven't been incarcerated or charged with stuff and convicted or plead or however you did it, whatever happened, you're changing legal personality. So in your new status, if they asked you on a questionnaire, Sheldon, have you ever been convicted of a felony? What would you say?
[00:11:43] Unknown:
Well, if it was me, I don't that'd be a toss-up. I'd Isn't it? Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. That's like going to Vegas. I don't know. I think I wanna go with, not full pockets. That's for sure.
[00:11:56] Unknown:
I would I would say that as you change legal personalities, it relieves you of that because that responsibility and dictation for you for your crime was in your other legal personality, wasn't it? That's not me. Correct me. I'm not that's not me anymore. I don't have those restrictions. So I don't know that these situations have ever been adjudicated, Sheldon. But I've thought about it over the years many times and and delve into this and ask those questions as you dig another layer deeper. So, yeah, it's very interesting. I'm glad you were able to help your, your your folks get free, get a passport and all that. And I my standing is you're a totally different person because now we're talking about the word person. Right? And it's got legal implications because that's a legal term.
So no. I'm sorry. I can own a gun. That was in my other personality, and I'm not that anymore. Bam. And, honestly, I don't know how they'd react to this. Be be interesting. Well, if somebody wants to take the time and effort to to to press the envelope on this, it'd be very interesting to get an answer. Sheldon, what's your comment?
[00:13:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I'll leave I'll sign off with one more question to you.
[00:13:13] Unknown:
That's how it's supposed to work? How many things do that? I'm done. Have a good morning. Now, man, I just don't know, Sheldon. These we don't and I'm not gonna encourage any of our, former felons to, go press the envelope on it. You know, they're trying to get their life back and hopefully get it straight and move forward, and that takes a lot of time and effort and money and all that stuff. So depends on the individual. So, anyway, thank you, Sheldon. That's a good way to start the program this morning. So, what did I know? Comey got thrown in.
Oh, I know what I heard this morning from Kash Patel. Woah, folks. Man, Kash Patel stated this morning, there's over a 110,000 gang members in Chicago. Foreign gangs. A 110,000. I don't know where he got his facts. Don't know where he got his figures, but that's a hell of a lot of gangs in your town. Yeah. K. It's probably concentrated concentrated in a pretty small area there on the South And Southwest Side. Is that mister Morgan there this morning, captain Morgan?
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Speaking. I got my leg up on the stool with my saber.
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Okay. I'll I'll have a glass here. Can I have a glass here, Ron, sitting on the side?
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You certainly can. Okay. On the house. Can let's further this thing, Sheldon, than you were discussing. Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? A US citizen actually have the status of an individual, I e. If you don't have all of your rights, if you don't have all of your, you know, the the I was just listening to one of Joe Lustica's, thirty minute, well, twenty minute, discourse on citizenship and what rights you actually do have under the, bill of rights because a lot of them are reserved to, you're you're you don't have access to them. Can you actually be an individual when you're saying, and I'm paraphrasing that an individual is one within whom rights and duties both, you you got you can't divide them. They're in the same place. That's not true when you're looking at a US citizen.
So you could say, for the sake of argument, that when these felons gain their new status, that that person was only born at that point. That legal person was only born upon the receipt of his full rights.
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I don't know if I totally agree with that, Bob, because an individual, if you'll notice in 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a there, the one we refer to so often, an income tax is owed by all individuals who are citizens of The United States or residents. So right there, that, that would kind of throw a little cloud on your theory.
[00:16:26] Unknown:
Well, they're using the term in that manner, but is it valid? Right.
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Well, well, no, because they're still individuals. Let's see. Their rights and their duties are in the same person. Now you get your rights as an in as, as an individual from the federal government under the fourteenth amendment and you owe them the correlative duties. Same. But I think you're still an individual. I think those are both still still contained in the same entity.
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Okay. Well, that makes sense when you look at it that way. Yeah. They're an individual of lesser status, but still an individual.
[00:17:04] Unknown:
And and what what he's alluding to oh, boy. You're holding Microsoft. It's got some message for me. Oh, no. I don't think I wanna mess with the OneDrive. Thank you. I love it when they interrupt me right in the middle of a point. Are we still? What'd I get? I got something on the screen. Okay. We're still You're still here. Okay. Well, Paul threw something on the screen that I didn't Anyway didn't do that.
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I didn't do that. Then maybe Microsoft did it. Well
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I'm innocent. Honest. I love these damn people. I yeah. Bob, I'm sorry. I forgot where I was. By individuals and whatnot. Individuals
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and 26 CFR, etcetera.
[00:17:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, still, even if you go through and you're the nonresident alien down there, you still get your rights from God now and you owe God your duties, but you're still an individual. So it, it, that's the way I look at it anyway.
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Yeah.
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So so good good stab, though. I see where you're going. I see where you got off track there. But I I feel that when you file that affidavit, if you're a person in that situation, that you absolve all that. Oh, man. I'd love to hear some highfalutin' scotch or comment on that. I'll tell you what we ought to do. We ought to ask Brent about that.
[00:18:30] Unknown:
You could certainly make the argument that that legal entity is was only born upon his, that you you could say it was his advent when when he received, national status. Yes. Because that's certainly a new status and a new person.
[00:18:48] Unknown:
Don't forget the other person. Every time the they ever ask him, are you this person? That he more than likely answered yes and signed something. So he was agreeing with it out of the ignorance, of course, and fraud.
[00:19:00] Unknown:
Right. But,
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but, yeah, there's a line of demarcation. When you cross that, you take your frowny mask because I'm a slave, and you put on your smiley mask because I'm free. Hypokratos. Yes. Hypokratos. Hypokratos.
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No. Not hypokratos.
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Yeah. Under. And all that all that comes from Greek, thespian stuff. It's interesting how they portray the legal concepts in the in the Greek theater. Isn't it?
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Yep. Yeah. I got Bruce.
[00:19:35] Unknown:
Okay. Well, hold on. There's mister Bruce. Bruce, you got your sword real sharp there, buddy? You got your sword sharp?
[00:19:43] Unknown:
Well, the point is the point is money sharp. What about We the People? Tell us about people.
[00:19:51] Unknown:
Well, Brent says that We the People says that's the militia. That's what Brent says.
[00:19:59] Unknown:
Well, we're fighting for our freedom.
[00:20:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, it wasn't it wasn't much of a fight. Once we got the rules straight, it's pretty damn easy. It's pretty ridiculous. It's ridiculously simple to get this scum off of your back.
[00:20:20] Unknown:
It's not uncontroversial.
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It's inexpensive. It's guaranteed. I guarantee you. I'll give you a triple your money back guarantee if you don't get free. Triple. No questions asked. No. We just we just want a lesson from you. That's all we want. The ride drive. Alright. Okay. Well, I'm gonna give you we're gonna give you guys a lesson Saturday night in Tiger Stadium.
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Oh, alright. Throwing down the gauntlet now. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:20:53] Unknown:
This is this is football year time of year. We talk trash, you know? So anyway, Bruce, throw down the gauntlet. We'll you'll get another shot at us Saturday. Okay? Bruce is real quiet. Yeah. Me and Clemson. Hey, Rob. Bruce sold it. What the hell happened to Clemson, Ben? They're like, they're going down the toilet, Clemson is. No. No. They they came back,
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this weekend.
[00:21:20] Unknown:
They they scored the opponent. You yeah. They just beat the Super Bowl coach Belichick.
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Yeah. Right.
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But the point is Okay. Well, we'll see. We'll be waiting for you Saturday night there with your cocks. Well, see, you know, you gotta understand we're tigers. You too. Bruce, did I ever tell you the story about, who was our great comedian in the South that died down there? Louis Grizard. You ever hear of Louis Grizard? Paul, do you ever hear of Louis Grizard?
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No.
[00:21:52] Unknown:
You kidding, man? He's even well, Louis Grizard was a sportswriter in the Atlanta area. He, went to the University of Georgia. He was a huge, Bulldog fan. Of course, in the old configuration, the Georgia had one really big early, rival, and that was South Carolina because they got a common border, and they recruit in each other's territory. So there's bragging rights. Every year. Recruiting rights. Every year. Right. I don't know if they played them this year or not. You know, next year, we're going to a nine game format. Just screwed everything we've ever known up almost. Regardless, Lewis, as a young man and as a sports writer over there in Athens, I heard him tell this story. Okay? I used to be on Johnny Carson all the time. Funny as hell. K? He used to have a bumper sticker that said, honk if you weren't married to Louis Grazard.
He had about eight wives. Oh, wow. So anyway, he goes he comes home when he's a undergrad there, and he's writing for the, for the Athens newspaper. And he tells his roommate, he said, I think I've got a headline that I can sneak past the editor that's gonna make history. And so they were playing the Gamecocks that weekend. And Georgia, this back in the sixties, had a, all American lineman and his name really, it's true. His name was Happy Dicks. Happy Dicks. I don't know what his parents had in mind when they named him, but that's what they named him. Okay. And so he was he was out for the game, and Georgia won.
And so on on Sunday, the the headline is dogs beat cocks with dicks out. And it got past the editor. It got past the editor. That's a true story now. That's a true story. Out there. Luis Gresard. Deserved that. He was, he was quite a guy. He was funny as hell. So, anyway, that was, I always remember that story. It's a great story. So, Bruce, what else did you have to say? I sidetracked you here when you came on. Oh, no. No. That's okay.
[00:24:15] Unknown:
I took my daughter, that I got first runner-up international model when she was, let's see. I think she was nine years old. And my wife had got tickets to the Clemson Carolina game.
[00:24:32] Unknown:
Oh, that's a big
[00:24:35] Unknown:
Yeah. And they were playing Nick Carolina. So me and my daughter went to the end zone seats, and my, wife and her and the youngest child went to the, you know, sideline seats. They were good seats. And I sat there and I said, look, Allison. This is what's gonna happen here. If you look around every now and then, you will see people fighting in the stands. They're not fighting against a a a Clemson fan. They're fighting their own, people. So we, we're sitting down, and I'm sitting down, on the right side. My wife my kid was sitting down the left side. Now here comes a a guy, a student, and I've, you know, grown.
And he comes down and tried to move me off my my number. And so I I bent over and tell the, his his, date that I don't know what your boyfriend is going after, but I don't wanna be a part of what he's what he's after. And and I think you need to straighten him out. She's she she elbowed him in the arm to quit. He never did it again. Okay. After the the halftime's, events, in the third quarter, people behind us oh, it was way up up to, stands. There was a woman just pounding a guy on the end of the bin the the, seats, and she was pounding the heck out of that. And the people around them was just cheering her on.
Really? And my my yeah. And and I said, stand up. You can see her right there going after her. I said, that's two Gamecocks fighting each other. There you go. That's how crazy they are.
[00:26:39] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Oh, I know. I know. People get all lubed up, man, and get those games and, get so it gets it gets funny. Part of the I mean, part of the fast movies in the panorama.
[00:26:51] Unknown:
But the but the thing was, people around started cheering for her. Yeah. And he couldn't get out of the seat to do anything about it.
[00:27:00] Unknown:
Yikes. Anyway,
[00:27:02] Unknown:
that's that's Carol. You're not you versus South Carolina.
[00:27:05] Unknown:
Okay. Did you come on to, and I'm sorry. I sidetracked you on the football thing. So, but did you have anything you wanted to add to our conversation, whatever it was about this changing status?
[00:27:18] Unknown:
Well, see, we are we're the people, not not the persons. We're the people.
[00:27:25] Unknown:
No. Okay. Well, according to Brent, that's not totally technically correct, but I get what you're saying.
[00:27:34] Unknown:
Yeah. We can go fight.
[00:27:37] Unknown:
No. No. I'm I'm too old to fight. We're fighting for free. I've already won. I've already won. I'm too old to fight. Maybe. Well Depends on the issue. Depends on the issue.
[00:27:48] Unknown:
The paperwork is good.
[00:27:50] Unknown:
There you go. Brent, I'm I'm mean I'm sorry. Bruce, let me ask here because I didn't. We launched off into this opening soliloquy here. If there's any new students in the audience, really, we're here
[00:28:04] Unknown:
for you. We're not here to talk about football as as much as we enjoy college football.
[00:28:07] Unknown:
We're not here to talk about other stuff. We're here to talk about you, really. Maybe you got a glimpse of that at the start. We're talking about changing statuses and getting free of the feds and all that stuff. And if there's any of you that are new that have somehow, oh, I don't know, through the grapevine or maybe your your best friend's been beating you up for years and you finally came around. Said I'll go stick my nose in over there. So, the show's for you. If you've got any questions, we'd love to hear from you this morning. So I should really, Paul, take a moment and just say we'll have a moment of silence to see if any new students in the audience wanna interrupt and ask a question or make a comment.
If you're if you fit that criteria, this is your time. Okay. I have Well, there's none of that. Alright. What else can we talk about? Pardon me, Paul?
[00:29:08] Unknown:
On the list, roll.
[00:29:11] Unknown:
Is there somebody rumbling around in the background trying to find a mute?
[00:29:15] Unknown:
To no. Say hello? This is me. This is me. Oh. I've got a question. Alright. Now and I'm I need all the, the taxation, taxation gurus and brain trust to Oh, my god. To poke up their ears. It's a tax question. It's a tax question. It is a tax question. It is specifically related to state taxes and a state that is insisting on collecting taxes that they say are owed due to, the sale of stocks by a national. So now, I don't know if the state was put if the state tax authority was put on notice that they were a national before, before they sold the the stock.
And I don't know, if that particular state, because it is a commonwealth, I don't know how that particular state's tax rules are written and if they base their state obligation based on your federal obligation.
[00:30:28] Unknown:
Are we talking about Kentucky or Pennsylvania?
[00:30:30] Unknown:
No. We're talking about Mass, Massachusetts. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. So, what, without without any names or any other details or anything like that, what basically, what's going on is the state tax authority is sending repeated, demand letters. They are piling fees upon fees upon fees on top of the original tax owed, and it's really getting out of hand. Now as far as I know, the person has not actually thrown the ball into their court to force them to come up with the actual Massachusetts state tax code that applies.
[00:31:17] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Has the person been corresponding with them throughout this, debacle?
[00:31:25] Unknown:
I don't know if they've actually answered every letter or if they've just been letting them pile up. I would hope that they have been answering every letter because every single one of them is a confirmatory writing. And, yes, I do believe, I I do believe that is the case, that they answer every letter. They're refusing to accept, their affidavit, their citizenship evidence, and they're just, basically trying to railroad them. And what I guess we would need to know is how to hit them where it hurts, how to hit them with irrefutable proof that the national does not owe that tax.
Whatever. Let's get the fray in here and and get suggestions from everyone. Well,
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it's difficult when they won't recognize, that they only owe Massachusetts state taxes if they owe federal taxes. And if you can't get their own regulations through them to follow their own regulations, I you know, outside of taking them to court, I would I would I would admit at, ask for an administrative appeal. Hold on a second. Yes. Just a second, please. I would I would, first thing I would say is ask them for, you know, and then what's my administrative appeal? And take it to the next level and see if you can get some adjudication that way.
But they're gonna have to know their stuff if they're gonna go into that type of a hearing. They're gonna have to know the regulations. They're gonna have to understand the tax system, the fact that they don't owe state if they don't owe federal, and all that kind of stuff. And you you better be sharp. Okay? That's what I'm gonna say. Julie, what have you got here?
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Did Paul say that this individual, purchased individual stocks?
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Well, what Paul's talking about sounds like to me is capital gains and not the correct taxation of stock dividends.
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I think Mark had said that August or August b, I can't remember which one it is. They said if you buy yourself individual stocks, if you just go to Fidelity and you buy Apple stock yourself and you have the capital gain on those
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or income on those, if those are taxable, those are part of the eight seventy one. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. You're talking about two different animals. Capital gains is when you buy it at 10 and sell it at 20. Dividends are the dividends that that stock and all stocks don't pay dividends. But if that pays dividends and you got a dollar dividend off the stock that year, you owe taxes on the dollar, not on the capital gains.
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Correct. Correct. So my question is if they just held on to it and got dividend income or if they because it was a dividend paying stock or if they sold it and got capital gains. My understanding is if they bought that stock individually, it's taxable under eight seventy one or eight seventy seven b. I can't remember which one.
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They liquidated in 2021. They bailed out of the, the stock market altogether.
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Well, if they bought individual affidavit?
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It doesn't matter if you filed your affidavit. If you bought individual stocks yourself and it's not part of a mutual fund, my understanding from Mark is that those are taxable,
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under the those two exceptions. Capital gains. Capital gains.
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Yeah. My understanding is those are taxable under eight seventy one or 77
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c. Could could be. That's not my understanding. I thought it was just on the proceeds of the of the stock, not the capital gains and point sale, but it may be. Listen, I'll be the very first to admit. The reason that I've been able to get here and free you guys is because I hated the frigging tax movement. I hated regulations. This stuff you can't decipher. It's so damn beat buried deep that you can't understand, and I just chose to walk away. That's why for the first ten years of this, we never even mentioned taxation.
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But very rarely why Mark explained this is because it's regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is,
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Okay. Well, I don't know. And and, Paul, I don't I I just don't know about the answer to the question. I don't know that we know, but we'll put it open. Anybody else who's got some ideas, I guess. Anybody else got any ideas on this? Is the tax only on on is it on gain, capital gain, or is it on dividends, or is it on both?
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Roger.
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Gary.
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Tell them to read the Buck Act. Even the states can only tax in what they call federal territories according to the Buck Act. So they're using the Buck Act they're using the Buck Act to tax people, states are.
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Okay. And they've made you a political subdivision so they can pull this little scam off.
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Exactly. Also, remember Yeah. Remember US citizens are residents of Washington DC. I don't care what geographical location you live in. That's right.
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They are the world.
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They are considered foreigners to the state.
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US citizens for many years were the only citizens in the world that got taxed on their worldwide income. There's been a couple other countries that have joined them. Uruguay is one of them now, but they're not exclusively that way anymore, but that's the way it used to be. And the reason is because they owned you.
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The person that's dealing with this, filed a national affidavit prior to bailing out of the stock market and had put the tax authority on notice with an affidavit, and they refused. Back in '21? Recognized. Yeah. Back in '21. They refused to recognize it.
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Well, you know, you could take, what you could do. One thing, if we get Mark back, I mentioned Paul. I'm getting a little worried about Mark. I sent him an IIM two or three days ago, and he hadn't even looked at it yet. That's pretty unusual. Judge Joy Julie, do you know anything about Mark's situation?
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Okay. Well, when I I text him I text him frequently, and I hear from him frequently, but I have not delved delved into the specifics of his parents. I just know that it's almost twenty four, seven around the clock care that they need right now. So he's just
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Don't forget. Right after you came on board, Mark was sick for about a month and a half or more. Pretty sick. He's in the hospital, I believe. So it may not just be the papers.
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I don't think Mark is sick right now, based on my text messages. Well, hey. We're missing we're missing one of our
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one of our colleagues that might could really add some light on your question, Paul. I cannot accept Do you want me to text them and I can't do the math. No. No. I no. I don't want you to mess with him, please. Let him do what he's gotta do. I'm just gonna tell you, I I this is not my area of expertise. I'll be the first one to tell you. I have some suspicions about this, but, evidently, I don't have concrete answers. And if I don't absolutely know the answer, I will tell you that I don't know. I'm not above that. Okay?
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So now would it
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who's that? There was a Geys. Yes. Who's Geys? This is Sam, Geys. Roger, Paul. How are you doing, Geys? Sam. No. No. It can't be Sam because he never comes around here anymore.
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Yeah. I've been busy. I've been busy.
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I think he's I heard he was out hanging. I heard he was hanging with the Trinidad down there in South Chicago.
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No. No. No. No. I I heard he was in a coma. I heard he was in a coma from lack of pizza.
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Oh my god. Well, there's a lot of rumors flying around, Sam.
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Okay. And I'm sorry about that, guys. I've been really busy. So I wanted to kinda update you guys on the statuses. Right? So, you guys I remember I was the last time I talked to you guys, I was going to court because they came at me with, some not getting a permit.
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So Yeah. Do you remember that at all or no? Okay. Sam, I don't think let me ask you. Have I when is the last time we talked? Six six, seven months ago?
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No. Probably about four months. About four months. Seems longer than that, man. We miss you. Yeah. I know. It does seem longer. I know. I didn't wanna say anything until this went through. And I'm a let you know that it does work, and then I beat the case. And I'm gonna tell you guys how I did it.
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Hey. Listen up, folks. It'd be get get the get get the check on the video here, Paul. We may have an actuality and a success story. Go ahead, Sam.
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Yeah. Okay. So, this is really dumb. They they went after me. I I did my I filed my, nationals I I I filed my political status. Right? I went through all that in 02/2023. I gave the city notice of it. I gave him a copy of it. I copied Paul's payment schedule, which I think is very important because he said you basically tell him, look, this is who I am. And if you, you know, you wanna contract with me, this is what's gonna cost you. Basically, when you screw with me, this is what it's gonna cost you. I'm still in the middle of payment now, but I'm gonna tell you how this works.
You have to put everything in place first, become a national, and then you give them up a payment schedule. This is what I am this is how much it cost you. Plain and simple. They came at me saying I didn't get a permit. So I went I sent them a letter saying I'm not contracting with you. They overridged that, and you should always go to court. They adjudicated over me. So I went back there and said, I went to the next court date. Actually, I missed one, but whatever. Then I went to the next one, and they reheard the case, which was stupid on their part. But even if I'd gone right away to hear the case, I stood on, violation of rights.
I I challenge your jurisdiction. This is I challenge your jurisdiction. I wanna know how you have authority over me. That's what you're gonna have to prove first before we can go. They always try to do when I say why I'm sick as hell.
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Sam, let me interrupt you for the students, just for new new folks. You stand on personum jurisdiction. There's two types of jurisdiction, subject matter and personum. Now the judge that Sam's in front of here would have subject matter jurisdiction because he's got jurisdiction over that part of Chicago. K? But he doesn't have personum jurisdiction on Sam, personal. And that's what, even though he might not have have articulated it that way, that's what he's saying. So I just wanted to anybody that might be confused, these are, well, these are areas that just need fine lines of demarcation occasionally. Sorry to interrupt, Sam. Please go ahead.
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No. No. No. Good. Good. You're good. So here's there's another point I'm gonna make about that because I was thinking about that like you are, Roger, I think. So when I went in there, I said, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. Right away when you go into court, they always say, how do you plead? But wait a minute. Plead what? Don't you have to be convicted to plead? And they always tell you to raise your hand, which I never do. I fold my arms. I shake my head no. And then when they walked up there, they said, you you know, how do you plead? I says, plead what? I says, I wanna know how you have authority over me. I just told you I'm a national. I'm not part of your corporation, period.
I'm not a US citizen. I'm not subject to your rules. But, Roger, to to your point earlier, in persona, so property cannot own property. And because I own myself, I own my property. Okay? So that's subject matter on top of it. But I also I went ahead and did a land patent on my property. I put it on notice and all that. But anything that if if I own myself, anything I own, I own. Yeah. Sam, you have been busy. Yeah. They don't have jurisdiction over me or my property. It's like a slave. In 1868, they took the slaves away from the South, and they took possession of them. Congress created the US citizen. Well, when when the slave had babies in 1860, 1860 prior to the war, the the landowner the the the the plantation owner, he owned those babies along with his wife. Sure did. That's right. But because yeah. Right. Now once you get possession of yourself, you own everything you have. Anything that's income, that's the same way with the income.
They own you because you're their you're their slave. Yeah. Okay. It does work. But here's what I'm gonna tell you. This is where it really worked great. So I went in front of I I went to the Hundred And Third District in in Bridgeview. I paid the $401. I stood in front of the guy, and he basically said because they they violated my rights. And I said you know, because he started talking about this and that, and I says, well, I have a land patent. And he goes, what about the fire department? I says, okay, judge. You wanna get into that extreme? We'll talk about it. He goes, no. No. No. No. We're only here on one in other words, it's it's the hearing. They only can talk about one thing. Issue. Issue. Violating your rights. You have a right to say, hey.
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Yeah. Go ahead. You you paid for it to get in front of him. They got one issue, and that's what they wanna, talk about and adjudicate.
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Right. They cannot talk about anything else, which is fine. But it was really it was really odd that he said that. He goes, what about the fire department? I'm like, wait a minute. I just but anyways, to make a long story short, he, he he he, he judged in my favor that he did violate my rights. You know, they never for you. People don't understand. They give you a citation. Basically, they say you're already guilty. No. No. Prove to me that I'm guilty. Okay. Yeah. So then, I I got a phone call from the lawyer, nice guy, and that you know, I they didn't like him at first, but as I talk to him, everybody's people. You know? So Yep. He calls me up, like, after he they lose in court, and he goes, you know, and it was a $750 fine.
Right? And he goes, you know, the village would will, will accept $75. He goes and and just, you know, let this all go. I said, Jess, how are the kids doing? He says, fine. I says, you're telling me you want me to to admit guilt, give you $75, right, and and walk away from a $1,500,000 lawsuit? Because because of Paul's, payment schedule, that's 5,000 a minute. And I have a post of signs on my property, which they took pictures of when they gave me these citations. So they cannot say that they didn't see it. Didn't know. They weren't notified.
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Yeah. You can't say they weren't put get put on notice. They saw it.
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Well, here's this. Here's the better part. When I did my my my citizenship, my my national status papers, and I sent them in, you have to you have to have the clerk stamp them. I also gave them, copies of not going on the property. It's gonna cost you a $150. Whatever. I don't care if I get 10¢. If it's a win, it's a win. You know what I'm saying? That's not the point. The point is don't be afraid of these people. Don't admit anything. Yeah. Let them God bless you. That you're wrong.
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And confront them. See? Now Sam is a lesson for the audience, a teaching moment here. Sam and his two sons, they came on couple of years ago and asked a bunch of questions and hung out for a while. And, they own a pizza place. Dad's retired, and Sam picked it up pretty good, pretty quick as you can tell. He knows his stuff. He is his personality that he can be belligerent, And by golly, he has been, and you walked out the other side unscathed and victorious. Congratulations, Sam.
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Well, there's one other point I wanted to give you guys. So this is this is kind of another important point. When they come at you, okay, you've gotta stand your ground and there's this beautiful, beautiful code. So because they work for us, we don't work for them. Okay? They said, look, we're gonna give you a constitution. We'll work for you, Sam, Roger. We'll work for you. And if, you know, if we we violate your rights, here's here's how you can punish us. And there's a really good one. It's called 18 USC fifteen eighty nine.
Now that one there on the third paragraph clearly states, if they go to force it's called force indentured servitude. If they don't if they try to force you legally, they're looking at a twenty year prison term. And you put that in those papers. You say, this is what we're gonna do, guys. You you you promised you just took an oath to this constitution that you're gonna that constitution's for them. It's not for me. That's for them. Yeah. That's that. Yeah. That's they're restrictions. Exactly. Why not god giving rights? I ain't getting nothing from the government. Oh, no. You're supposed to your only job is to protect it. The tenth amendment clearly states that.
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Your Sam, when you said that my rights. That's Yeah. That code USC you just quoted was 18? That's correct. 18 USC
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one five eight nine. Fourth indenture servitude.
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Wow. And I'm gonna make this Now that's a Yeah. That's the criminal code. You can't bring an action on there. The I can't authority now. You you can you can bring an action under 18. I thought only government could bring criminal charges. You can bring civil charges, not criminal. Well, they violated my rights. Okay? Okay. Yeah. So you come back. Okay. Alright. You come back and do a title 42. No. You can't do a title 42 because that's citizen of The United States. Well okay. But here's what I'm trying to say. Alright. Well, let's see what you're planning on. Just one. What are you planning on? I
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okay. Well, here's what I'm gonna do. Now I'm gonna file a lawsuit against them. Right? Because k. That'll be civil. Told that they had to well, look. You said about the the felonies. Right? You you just talked about felonies. But those are criminal charges, and the state brings criminal charges.
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If you're going to go after them right now because you're not the state, you can go after them civilly, but not criminally. Go ahead.
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Why can I not use their own codes against them?
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Because that's only for criminals. For then that means the state brings those charges. You're going after them and you're trying to use those charges, but they're criminal because they're in title 18. But you can sue them civilly. I'm not sure on what grounds, but that's how you can go after them. Yours will be civil. Okay. If they come after you, like, hold on, Sam. Sam. Oh, woah. Woah. Even when you sign a traffic ticket on the side of the road, that's criminal.
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Okay. So, again, I won so far. I haven't gotten like, so I said, I haven't gotten to this point. Okay. So then here's the deal. I could civilly charge them for six hours of my time.
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Yeah. You probably can. I'm not saying you can't. I'm just saying it won't be under criminal charges.
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Well, Alan,
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you as a individual can't go file and throw them in jail.
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Alan standing by.
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Okay. Well, there's Allen. Allen?
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Okay. Here's the As a civilian or anything that is not an official, you cannot submit to the CBI
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example. It would be the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. You can submit to federal. They can't obstruct that, but the
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official. How to get around that in court? It is not only against my civil rights, but it is a prohibition of the government in accordance to title 18 and under criminal court rule four. That's criminal court rule four. You ask the judge to refer that either to the state investigative offices or to the federal investigative offices as a criminal act as it had been described and, probable cause that a criminal act had occurred as of 51% confidence, which is civil court, okay, and that it should be referred. Now, criminal court rule four, you cannot yourself place those charges. However, it is a mandate by the judge to actually enforce that and issue a warrant. So you can basically
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appeal to the judge to have them enforce it on their own official. Right? Based on your complaint, based on your evidence, yes. Alright. Well, good luck there. You know? But that is a way to do it. I'm just trying to make the differentiation. I hear people come on here and quote title 18. You can't directly affect title 18. You can do it indirectly evidently, but not directly.
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Well, title 18 is the 90%, and title 42 is the 41%.
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Yeah. Of course. We don't want 42. A lawsuit,
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you have everything in order to establish your fifth excuse me, 51% confidence that that that that actually happened. Reasonable, you know, expectation that that happened. In the criminal, it has to be 90% confidence in order to prove someone guilty. However, the, criteria to show articulable reason is in the 51%. As soon as you achieve the 51%, you've already achieved the, reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime had also been committed at 51%.
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So that those are your percentages and how they fall. Alright. Let let's back out of this real complex stuff. We're losing audience. Let's just go back to this No. That's very important. Well, I know it's important to you, Sam, but other people, there's eyes glaze over. Okay? I'm glad we covered it. I want the I don't know. Just just hold on. Sam, Merca, hold on. I was trying to differentiate that we cannot bring title 18 criminal charges. People seem to think that you can. Evidently, Courtney Gallon, you can indirectly under certain circumstances.
So that's the point I was trying to make. I didn't wanna get us off this deep in the weeds. Okay? Thank you, Alan, for your adding.
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Murca Alan, thank you very much, dude. That was you. There you go. From Sam. Murca?
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Roger, you I mean, I I need to double check that about the court, but I believe that we can put it on our preemptive notices as a reminder to them that there is a code.
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Okay. You can put it in there on on notices Yeah. Those stuff, but you can't formally enforce it. Okay? Yeah. And then I'm gonna double check that and then Alright. Well, no. I promise you, MRCA, you cannot bring criminal charges. You can't go arrest a bureaucrat and throw him in jail. They're not gonna rule on it. You can't do that.
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Right. So as a private individual, I see things a little different. So I I would have to research that and double check that. I understand what you're saying. But as a punitive notice as a lawful legal notice to the to the, you know, public servants, we can use it on there so that they can see Okay. This is what they're doing and they can be held liable. Okay. Well, I guess, let me ask you this. What about a citizen's arrest? Do we deal are those still legit?
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I know, Todd Valentine, the calendar said that because those people didn't have an oath of office on file, none of the bushel people did, you could go up on the street and arrest them. That's a You can still do that. You could do that. But you under you need to understand what you're doing. Alright. Well, let's get back to Sam's story here. I'm sorry to interrupt. I don't make that differentiation. No. No. I'm As I tell the people here, any one of these issues, you can get off in the weeds for hours talking about them. Now our audience is not all attuned to that, so we try at least get it and keep it digestible where it doesn't get overbearing and people's eyes glaze over and they go to hell with this and leave. That's what we're trying to do. The reason the reason I brought that up is
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okay. Thank you. Thank you, Roger. The reason I brought that up is because I don't want people to be afraid of of dealing with these people. They're just people like you and me. But once you know a little bit of what what the truth is, they will back down. They'll keep pushing until you you you stand your ground. That's all you gotta do. Just just stand there. It didn't cost me much. Oh, I just fall just pay it. It was only this one. No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Don't be afraid of these people. I'm I'm I wanna I wanna recite this code. Okay. Even if the officials what you what people don't understand is, well, okay. You can refer these criminal cases to whoever, like the attorney general, which I dealt with, and he says, oh, I don't find anything wrong. Okay. So he could he could shit you like that. You know what I'm saying? Again, I'm I'm I'm in the middle of this. I just won, like, three weeks ago. Okay? Cool. And I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna go after these guys. But here's what it says, 18 USC fifteen eighty nine. Whoever whoever knowingly provides or obtains the labor or service of a person by any one of or any combination of the following means. So that's first of all, they're they're forcing you by means of forced threat, physical restraint, threat of physical restraint of to that person or the person, that's one. By means of serious harm, threat of serious harm to that person or another, that's two. And number three, this is where I get in. By means of abuse or threatened abuse of law or legal process. Now they violated that that code.
They violated my rights, period. I don't know how many people are in Chicago.
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Everybody hold on.
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Hang on.
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Neighbors in Chicago
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goodbye. Tell me Yes. Here in a second. One zero six point nine WBOU FM Chicago. Thank you for being with us for the first hour. Go to the matrixstocks.com to follow us into the second hour and continue this riveting conversation. One zero six point nine WVOU FM, shooting the pulse of Chicago. We love you. Ciao. Roger. Thank you, guys.
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Holy smokes. Oh, now Larry wants to get in here. Sam's talking, then it was Alan, and then, we Well, we had a break. We got a break. We gotta pause. You have something substantive to add here, Larry?
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Well, yeah, just a quick comment. Sam's wondering how he can go after him, and I've read plenty of court cases. And here's how you do it. You have to go to a federal court, and it's gonna be a civil matter, and you're gonna file a lawsuit against them in their official and or private capacity. That's how that works.
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Federal court. Okay.
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That's what Larry just said. Let's go on to where we're we're gonna have to do the top of the hour there. Sam, you were talking. I think it was Alan that was trying to inject something.
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Yeah. And before we get too far away from it, I need to cover it. But now we have two that out of one. First of all, has anyone got an answer for how does a police officer arrest you without a warrant? It's real simple. The police officer arrests you based on a citizen's arrest, but he also has the authority of that arrest. You have that authority of arrest as well. It's the same, elements as a official arrest as a, civil arrest or a private arrest. Okay? You immediately have to turn that over to example, you know, the authorities, etcetera, so forth, along with your affidavit and stuff like that. Now whether or not they choose in order to hold them is another subject.
But a police officer is making a civilian or a civil arrest every time he gives you a ticket, pulls you over, does not have a warrant. So that's exactly what it is, a citizen's arrest. There's no other authority for it. There's only two things, two ways in order to take property away from you. One is to commandeer it. The other one is to have a warrant for it. Okay? And third, what was, that guy saying about the, okay. In a criminal court, you take this into the criminal court. You say your claim under 42, but then you mention title 18 that is also a prohibition of these title 18 acts, and that that is criminal and that you refer that to the judge in order to be taken care of through the channels.
But, your arrest power is two places. It's in civilian arrest Okay. Or civil arrest, and the other Okay. Is directly, embodied by the court itself. You don't have a recording, location other than the court. They have eliminated the police department, the CBI. Sometimes the FBI won't even take your, report depending on this topic. But in court, you are,
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I mean, just as powerful as they are. You just have to know how to how to word it. I yield. Thank you, Alan. You wanna go ahead with your story, Sam? I don't know if you can remember where you were.
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No. That that was basically it. And then No. You said you're
[01:02:17] Unknown:
alright. You said you're only halfway through this at this point, but you've already been victorious. Did I hear you that correctly? Victorious.
[01:02:25] Unknown:
Well, yes. I I won the case against them. They tried to force me to do something. And like I said, when I found this 1589, I clearly stated that in court. I said, this is they're in clear violation of this, their own codes, their own codes, which is and the beauty part of this one code, which I really like, is, the punishment. And, it's twenty years in prison. I don't care. You wanna play this game? It says, whoever violates this section shall be fined under this title in prison not more than twenty years or both. Let them know the truth. Look. You wanna do this? You wanna play this game? This is what you're looking to do. I don't care. I don't
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They love to threaten you. Time for this. Hey, Josh. Love to threaten you saying What was that,
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a last time,
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title of the book.
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And read it, and then follow-up with his synopsis.
[01:03:32] Unknown:
Okay. 18 USC 1589. US code unannotated title 18. Crimes and criminal criminal procedures, forced labor. So, basically, here's the best way I could explain it, and I don't wanna offend anybody. But let's say I was with a girl, and she said, you know, I said, let's have sex. And she said, no. She didn't consent, and I forced myself. That's the same thing. They're forcing you to do something. They can't do that. They have to have consent. When you go into court and you say, I do not consent to this. I challenge jurisdiction. You're not gonna judge me. I want 12 of my peers to judge me. You're you're accusing me of crime. I I need the injured party. The person's coming at me. I don't care if it's it's a village inspector, whatever. You need this. I need to see the damage. I need to face this person face to face, and I want 12 people to they're not gonna do that. They don't wanna waste time. They wanna get the money and run. That's what they do.
You you fight them on the littlest thing. Oh, another quick point. I was doing work again at the house, and he drove by and waved at me as I was doing stuff with the bulldozer. Wouldn't even come here, and I I waved them in because I was gonna tell him, dude, you better get a good lawyer because I'm gonna sue the shit out of you. I was gonna basically tell him that, but he just took off. He waved and took off. He's like, he sees me. I don't care, dude. The house is right there. Look all you want. You're not coming on the property. You're not I'm not your slave. People need to know this. I know they they they force this bullshit on your brain. Oh, you better do this. What? For what reason?
You know, Sam Remember the point I made earlier? You know, I'll end with this. The back in the day, they would tell me I had to cut my grass, which I did anyways. But, oh, if it's over 10 inches, we're gonna cut it. I said, buddy, if you stand on my property, get on my property, I'll sue I'll get arrested for trespassing. And they say, oh, it's it's an ordinance. I says, for who? For the village. I says, I don't work for the village. Oh, you have to do it. I says, you're gonna tell me I gotta go out, buy a lawnmower with my money, take a year, an hour out of my time that God has given me not to work for you, and to cut the grass because you don't like the way it looks?
That doesn't make sense to me, guy.
[01:05:50] Unknown:
I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if I don't do it. Yeah. Go ahead. Wow. That's it. I'm done. For for Sam, and I wanna tell the audience. Hold on, Merkel. Hold on for you. Yeah. Launch into this. You haven't sent me that email, by the way. Before we launch into this, I tell the audience that once you learn this material, you become empowered. Do you think Sam's empowered? Oh, yeah. Does it sound like he's empowered to you? That's what this information can do for the person that, first of all, recognizes it. Second of all, makes the information yours where it's part of you. It's your freedom. That's what you wanted. And if so, these are the results that you too can achieve. Merkel?
[01:06:43] Unknown:
Yep. Roger. Okay. So, I was gonna say, like, I like how, you know, I I appreciate that we can put our you know, their codes to show them that they are doing something wrong and put it on our notices or lawful legal notices to them, a reminder, or even the court, you know, when you're presenting your information. It's not that you're, you know, holding them liable yet. You're just warning them. You're doing this. You're dangling it. You're you're warning them. And and then also oh, yeah. And then I also was gonna say to Sam, you know, with that, you know, that employee that's walking you know, driving by, looking at him, kinda trying to intimidate him, he can probably do a restraining order.
And his neighbor is the one that, called the city and complained about him not doing something to his, you know, house and keeping it clean and tidy or whatever. You know, he's imposing his belief and opinion and thoughts on Sam. So there may be something that he can do about that too.
[01:07:56] Unknown:
Okay. So can I let me address that real quick? It wasn't it wasn't the neighbor. It wasn't that that's fine. I I hey, Myrka. How are you doing? So that wasn't the case. Good morning. What it was was it's the mayor who's a real asshole. Okay? But that's that's beyond the point. But here's where I'm getting at. Oh, you're mayor? You're a commie mayor? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's an asshole. He's screwed now, and I'll tell you why. You know, you say the code enforce no. I'm sorry. He works for somebody. I'm gonna make the complaint. He doesn't do it, then I'm gonna file a lawsuit against that person also. Once you start to put them in accountability, the higher up they are, they go, hey, man. Why would I why should I get screwed? Bury this guy. Get him out of here. You know what I'm saying? I don't I don't want to deal with this. Right? So if if, like, if I had a worker and because this actually happened, he didn't tie the ladder down and it fell off the truck and lady ran it down. And she I'm like, I'm so sorry, ma'am. You know? Had that thing gone through his windshield her windshield, I'd have been liable for that, not my work. Would have been. So let's just keep going up until we find out what's going on. Let's get everybody involved. Oh, you don't wanna do this? He's not doing this? Let's do him now. Well, I'm a tell you what. Job, guy.
[01:09:03] Unknown:
I'll tell you what. Pritzker thought that that Trump was bad. Hell, he got Sam living there. Sam's gonna reach some damage, it sounds like. No. No. No.
[01:09:13] Unknown:
I'm nobody. I'm nobody. But you know what? I believe in God, and he gave me this time on this earth. And I'm gonna tell you right now, you can't serve two gods. You're either gonna follow God or you're gonna follow man. That's it. Or man That's all I gotta say. Just Thank you, Sam. Just stay on Good to hear you. Belief here. Yeah. Good. I'm I'm good. I'm good. I didn't wanna say anything until this went through because if I got buried, then I would've said this is what's going on. But you just gotta stand your ground. You're right, Roger. You know, got a lot of question for Sam.
[01:09:45] Unknown:
Okay. We don't have a problem with that. Yes.
[01:09:50] Unknown:
Hi. Good morning, Roger. It's Mary from Mendota, Illinois. Grew up in Chicago. But Oh, good morning. Question for Sam. I know. That coat now that permit, was that a house like, you're doing work on your home, and they're they were trying to violate you on not getting a permit?
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Right. So
[01:10:09] Unknown:
This is interesting because Mhmm. We need to redo our foundation. Okay? Okay. And I live in LaSalle County now. I used to be Cook County. But Right. I think I'm gonna try to they're trying to force us to get a permit to fix that foundation because we gotta have an engineer come out. We gotta jack it up. You know, all this stuff. That is very interesting. I wrote down. But this so most likely, this will probably work if they violate us
[01:10:38] Unknown:
here in South County for the South County for the South County. Yeah. But here's the thing. So I yield. Yeah. You you're worried about a permit. Right?
[01:10:47] Unknown:
Correct.
[01:10:48] Unknown:
Yeah. So what they're basically saying is in order for you to work on your property, you need our permission. Okay? They want you they want you to give them permission to rule over you. Period. That's it. And you say to them, yeah. You know what? Thanks. I'm good. I'll let you know if I need you. And then they go, oh, no. You're gonna get our permission, like it or not, because we're gonna get some money out of you. And you say to them, sir, if you do this, I'll sue you. Well, this is where I'm at. Like I said, this took on I'll be honest with you. This has gone on for one year. November of, October, they started this.
And because of the courts and this and that, and then, there was a continuance, and then, you had to give your brief. So you tell them basically what you what your information is and what their information is, and you stand on your ground. And, you know, basically, if you're a national, you own your property. I would do a land patent. That was another thing I did. We're working on that. Yeah. You put notice for for at least sixty one days in the newspaper. You you have to go to the to the courthouse in in Chicago, the records department, and then you find that chain of title because there was a a grant from a president that granted that land to the people.
And then you follow that chain all the way up to your name, and then you you you just call the sandwich, and then you you it's real simple. And then you, you put it on in the newspaper, just a little insert. You know, notice there's a land patent such and such for at least sixty one days. I did it for seventy. And then you get a a a you call the newspaper and say, hey. I want proof of documentation that was in the paper, and they send you it. And then basically, now it's in your file. You go to the courthouse, they put it down there, they say we're not gonna we're not gonna record this. They're looking at a three year prison term for not recording.
That's another one of their calls. Okay. You have to file it. They won't.
[01:12:57] Unknown:
I said that's amazing that you you you put them on notice that you did that. That's because it's hard in Illinois to get anything done. It's very hard. It is extremely hard. It's very hard. Yes. It is. What part of Chicago are you at?
[01:13:10] Unknown:
I'm in the sub I'm in Countryside, Illinois. Oh, I know where that's. I grew up in Hazel Crest. I'm in Cook County. I'm in Cook County. I don't care who knows. This is where I lived. This is where I live. Yeah. I grew up in
[01:13:21] Unknown:
I grew up in Hazel Crest, and then we moved to homeless loss for our area.
[01:13:26] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Hazel because I know we're in Donut. I in Hazel Crest. Blue Island. South. Blue yeah. You were South. I saw fighter.
[01:13:33] Unknown:
Yep. Mhmm. So Boy, damn lucky you got out. Here.
[01:13:39] Unknown:
I know. I'm I'm I'll never go back.
[01:13:41] Unknown:
I want out of here. I'm like, in general. I'm tired. Well, what we ought to do, unless this could be general information, if, Mary, you wanna get with Sam, we need to get you his number somehow where you two can communicate directly if you wanna follow a lot of that. Yeah. It's in my number on the I think you'll get it to him now.
[01:14:01] Unknown:
Yeah. My number's on the screen too. Let's not let's not do it on the area. I don't have
[01:14:06] Unknown:
I don't have that kinda and I don't get on the chat because I can't because because I live out in the country. We got three acres, so we got weird Internet. But I can just give it to you. I don't care. I ain't I ain't afraid. Ready?
[01:14:18] Unknown:
No. Hold on. Don't do that. Because Paul they don't don't know. Okay. Just, yeah, somehow, Paul will give it to you. Do can you see my number, Paul? Both of you sent me an email to p g biener, pgbiener,@gmail.com.
[01:14:34] Unknown:
And Yeah. We'll do it like that because I think they're worried. I'm not worried. I don't care. But I will. It's just you get off into this. It might not apply to a bunch of the audience. I don't wanna be a bunch of the losing the audience because you two have an in state thing you wanna discuss. That's my my reason for it. Okay?
[01:14:54] Unknown:
Roger. PJ Deaners.
[01:14:56] Unknown:
Roger. D p papa golf bravo India echo November. Papa golf and then beaner, just like wienerwithab,@gmail.com.
[01:15:16] Unknown:
I have something quick, Roger.
[01:15:18] Unknown:
Okay. I'll get to you a minute, Larry. Go ahead, Martha.
[01:15:23] Unknown:
So we're all dealing with this, actually. Because the local the local authorities, public servants, they they they're gonna try to impose their, city, county, and state codes on you, and we all need to understand how to do that. So Yeah. Like, right now, remember I told you the they're they sent me a citation for the vaccination and licensing of our pets.
[01:15:50] Unknown:
Of Lula Bell. So yeah.
[01:15:53] Unknown:
So that's what I'm working on. And, similar it's kinda similar to what, Sam went through. And we just need to know. We need to know what we're doing, have the knowledge of what their codes are that they need to, you know, comply with. They need to respect and not impose their authority that they don't have on us as a natural person Uh-oh. Private individual. Or Lulabelle or Lulabelle, your pet. Good lord. Our national yeah. Our national dog.
[01:16:26] Unknown:
Yeah. That's right. So did you I guess she whatever. I don't know if she's filed an affidavit with the vet or not, but, that might be something to help. America puts everybody on notice. Anyway,
[01:16:38] Unknown:
Larry? Exactly.
[01:16:41] Unknown:
Yeah. So it sounds like, what Sam was saying was he got his case dismissed because he did not give his consent. And I don't really think it's a consent issue. I think, it's more a jurisdictional issue. The court realized they did not have jurisdiction. That's where the power is. And, because if you wanna see an example of this, and I brought this up to you a while ago, Antivan Rights tried to do the I do not consent to this lawsuit written right on her complaint, and they just plowed forward and gave her a judgment of 1 and a half million dollars. So it's always a jurisdictional issue, not an idle consent issue.
[01:17:25] Unknown:
That's correct. Let me see if I have it. It's called the it's called the nonsuit. Let me see who they're ruling, the judge. I don't know. They vacated it on the January 15, Then he remanded it back to the adjudication and, see where it is that they where they sent I gotta look for it. I had I'm looking in the papers right now. I'll it's called a nonsuit, and I'm looking it up going because it's basically saying I didn't appear. And that was weird that, where was I gotta find it, guys. Go on. Just keep talking now. I'll I'll find it. Alright. Okay. Well, anyway, good to hear your voice again, Sam. Let me jump in there. Sorry, guys. I I start I hate to mess up mess everybody up. I'm sorry. I've lost control. Go ahead. Sam, you didn't appear.
[01:18:18] Unknown:
You didn't appear because the only entity that they have authority over is a citizen of The United States. That was the entity that didn't appear.
[01:18:27] Unknown:
Yeah. The resident didn't show up. Yes. That that other person.
[01:18:32] Unknown:
Question?
[01:18:35] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am.
[01:18:38] Unknown:
Well,
[01:18:39] Unknown:
this is Yes. Maybe if we further But, Sherry,
[01:18:44] Unknown:
was there two of you or just one of you?
[01:18:48] Unknown:
Well, I'm on my phone, and I'm having dipping. Go ahead. It keeps cutting in and out. You're the one. Go ahead. You're the one on the mic. Go ahead. Would just further I do not consent to I do not consent to your jurisdiction. And
[01:19:02] Unknown:
put that forward. Anna. And it covers up This is talking about Anna, not somebody else. She didn't do that. Cost her the million and a half dollars. She didn't appear either. She just wrote that on a complaint and sent it back to him. Obviously, that her way is Patriot Mythology. Yes,
[01:19:22] Unknown:
Paul. Roger, that was Cheryl before Sherry. Yeah. That was Cheryl before
[01:19:27] Unknown:
Sherry. So Sherry. I said,
[01:19:29] Unknown:
I thought there was two voices there.
[01:19:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for recognizing that. But if you are a Yeah. You
[01:19:42] Unknown:
know Tell her. Tell her. State. Correct? Tell her tell her to start again. Your phone's cutting in and out. Could you please start? There's some there's somebody that's that's echoing,
[01:19:54] Unknown:
that's, canceling her out. Try it again, Cheryl. I'll I'll try and locate the offending line. Come on, Cheryl.
[01:20:07] Unknown:
Pika? Am I clear? Am I clear?
[01:20:11] Unknown:
You are now. Okay.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
Go go for it. Great. Okay.
[01:20:16] Unknown:
You're talking about personum jurisdiction, but and and I'm a national. But if it's a state court, isn't don't they have personum jurisdiction if it's a state Not if you're not a resident.
[01:20:31] Unknown:
And the state wherein they hold on. In the state wherein they reside. That's why they want you to be a resident of Florida because that means you're a citizen of The United States also. Okay?
[01:20:47] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for that. So why was I arrested when I challenged jurisdiction, personum jurisdiction? They said we have jurisdiction. It happened in our state.
[01:21:04] Unknown:
Well, because they don't know what they're talking about, and you weren't able to defend yourself and articulate your position. I don't know if you had an affidavit on file at that point. Yes. I do. Defend one's rights, one has to be a belligerent claimant. That's according to appellate judge learned hand. So that's all I can tell you, Cheryl. You you you live in you live in a county where Boss Hogg is the sheriff.
[01:21:32] Unknown:
That's right. You're right. And Well, I can't help that. They they me and said, you you know, you don't understand our rules. And and now they've declared me incompetent because I don't understand jurisdiction.
[01:21:49] Unknown:
Well, then then that's what they did to Chris Cave. So, I don't know what to tell you. Okay?
[01:21:57] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So, well, I was just saying, personum jurisdiction doesn't seem to work in Florida.
[01:22:04] Unknown:
No. It does. No. No. No. Cheryl, it doesn't appear to work in your county in Florida. Please let's be specific.
[01:22:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Good point. Good point. Thank you. I Alright.
[01:22:18] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:22:20] Unknown:
Okay. Can I tell you something here about this circular argument? And the, argument is both in the favor of the government and you. The only reason why people are winning in this argument is because it becomes a circular argument in which it's a very large circle. So this is a poor, approach. It's easier to attack the charges themselves than it would be in order to attack the jurisdiction. Now, later, afterwards, you can still challenge the jurisdiction. After everything is done, you can challenge jurisdiction at any time. So allowing them in order to flow with that jurisdiction and then bringing up the circular argument afterwards may be a very effective way of, using it. Alright. To who else is trying? Marca,
[01:23:09] Unknown:
you're trying to say something there, I think? I was gonna ask Cheryl. She did she put your affidavit in? Like, the simple, effective method that we have, does she use that? So that if she is getting pulled over or something and they're she's fighting something in court, she needs a simple affidavit that gets right to the point. No more extra information on it.
[01:23:33] Unknown:
Right. Correct. Okay. They they they totally ignored the whole national conversate
[01:23:40] Unknown:
But then also got hand
[01:23:42] Unknown:
I got handcuffed as soon as I mentioned it.
[01:23:46] Unknown:
And then then a lot of people say that you need to, challenge jurisdiction from the beginning also, and you need to understand what you're what you're using and explaining to them when you're there.
[01:23:58] Unknown:
Right?
[01:23:59] Unknown:
What county in Florida do you live in, Cheryl?
[01:24:04] Unknown:
Citrus County.
[01:24:10] Unknown:
Yeah. So, Cheryl, Cheryl, why didn't you file a kidnapping charge?
[01:24:17] Unknown:
Sorry? Ask her that again? This is
[01:24:20] Unknown:
okay. Why didn't she file kidnapping charges on this person? You're not their slave. You're a national. You're under common law. You don't work for the corporation. You were kidnapped. You're judge revoked
[01:24:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Because judge revoked my bomb, threw me in jail, and kept me there for three months. How do you file any charges when you have no paper, no pen, no nothing to do?
[01:24:50] Unknown:
When you got out, why didn't you file criminal charges? Okay. You're under coercion.
[01:24:55] Unknown:
You've been coerced in order to do that three months in jail. That's actually by itself a charge. So when you're facing that, yeah, you're gonna have to do the time. Okay, because it's their system. However, when that time is up, they have to be accountable for it and give you what? Compensation, not only for your time, but also for your performance in the court. So, there was a case in, California where a guy was actually arrested with, like, $2,000,000 worth of cocaine. This was an old case. It was back in the eighties. Believe it or not, he was the richest m o b in prison because they had, like, $2,000,000 of property, which they had taken. They admitted they took it. And the value of that property, they set, which was higher than what it actually was, but he wound up being compensated $2,000,000 while he was sitting in jail.
So when they're done, they're done. They've already established everything that they did. They established the performance that you had to do. You can charge them for that performance at at the maximum rate.
[01:26:06] Unknown:
K. So did do you have did you use Paul's or or any kind of payment schedule? The lady in Florida?
[01:26:17] Unknown:
No. I didn't the payment schedule.
[01:26:20] Unknown:
So
[01:26:22] Unknown:
I didn't expect to hear you. Yeah. You know? I I figured that a personification
[01:26:29] Unknown:
was Wait. Wait. Stop. Stop. Stop. This this payment schedule, that's absolute BS. You walk into a French restaurant. It doesn't have the prices on there. You order everything that you want, including the best champagne you got. Are you gonna sit there and argue about the tab when you leave? You went into a restaurant. You didn't look at the menu. You ordered these things. They fulfilled the order. That's it. Now they need compensation. The same way as when you walk in the store, you fulfilled the court, you deserve compensation.
[01:27:00] Unknown:
Wow. Okay. Yeah. I see it a little differently. I see I see it a little different. I I put my payment schedule out there. It's like going into McDonald's. McDonald's wants a thousand dollars for hamburger. Okay. Have a nice day. Another guy wants $10. Well, if I buy that thousand dollar hamburger and eat it, well, now I have to pay for it because you have the you saw the price. There's your payment schedule. You wanna deal with me? This is what's gonna cost you. Don't tell me tomorrow. Oh, I didn't know. Not not I can't afford to The act of putting in that
[01:27:31] Unknown:
the act of putting in that schedule gives them forewarning of what will happen after sentencing. You don't wanna give them that heads up in order to be able to build their case around defending themselves later. That's the reason why I said that. After everything is done and you can show and it's not manage your performance, say, you were ordered to do this. You were ordered to do three hours of community service. Well, three hours of community service plus your payments, your specialty, your expertise. Well, I got news for you. It's $500 an hour. That's fine. I'll do it. Fine. Happy.
Okay? They will put it Do not bring these things up. Because they are open. They open the menu without looking at the prices. You don't need to define those prices before. Only the fact that they are doing business with you, which they established when they, well, brought you into the courtroom. Right? So the moment that you walk in that courtroom is Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No. No. Everybody can't talk at the same time.
[01:28:32] Unknown:
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. I want everybody to stop. Okay. Alan, you're bringing valuable information, but just jumping in there without, like, taking a a break or or saying that you have a comment, that isn't gonna wash. And also, you're giving a fire hose approach to this. Let's do it in bits and pieces, you know, not five minute segments. You and Sam are talking about you and you and Sam are talking about the fee schedule, and the fee schedule being served to them beforehand so they have prior knowledge is just like walking into McDonald's and looking at the menu. It says a Big Mac cost this much. Your decision at that point is to ask for a Big Mac or not ask for a Big Mac because you know how much it's going to cost.
The fee schedule is exactly the same way. A violation of your rights is going to cost them $100,000 If they violate your rights after they've been noticed, then they owe the duty.
[01:29:43] Unknown:
So that is why you Let me let me let me clarify that one point there. Oh. You're absolutely right. It they have every right in order to know how much it is, but you have to understand something. You do not have to notify every branch of the government of what you are doing and what your status is. You only have to answer to the secretary of state. So if you do have a schedule, do not put it into the court. Put it into the secretary of state. The government's been informed. Let the court proceed however they want. They don't need personal knowledge in order to be able to build that case and the appeal, terminology, okay, in order to avoid your schedule.
They don't need to know about it in that courtroom. However, the government needs to know. So file it with the secretary of state. It's over. Now if they bump into that during the course of, time, that's great. But meanwhile, they're still eating at a French restaurant that doesn't have their prices shown. It's whatever you order. Okay? Let it be a fresh rest restaurant. By the way, I filed two months ago my fees, and you've been notified it. You've notified the government of that. So now just pay me my money. It becomes a contract with your fees to the secretary of state rather than a question of stance or standing in that courtroom. Let them do what they want to.
They're gonna do it anyway. They've got guns, and they they they're corrupt. So allow that. But when it comes to your performance, go back to the secretary of state and say pay me. It's time to pay me. You you asked for this performance. Here's the schedule. You agreed to it by not objecting to it, and it's been on file for months. So you just sit there and closed the gap of the gray area to get compensated. You do that once. I guarantee you probably won't even see a traffic ticket. Why? They'll put it in the notice when they pull you over. Do not stop. Do not detain. Don't mess with this guy.
He has fees. And they'll put it in that, and you won't be bothered. But, the exercise of doing that once is very important, but doing it appropriately as so as to not tip your hat when it comes to time, okay, is just as important. If you walk in with that attitude that you're gonna get paid for it, so it doesn't matter, do whatever you want, they're gonna do it. And and you're gonna be paying that three months, that five years in jail without any bond and without any charges on you. It's repeated a 100 times. However, that compensation afterwards can be predetermined before you walk in there by filing that along with your, well yeah. Because your your schedule is actually built in. They have a statement for, being a,
[01:32:31] Unknown:
national. Right? Your schedule is actually built in. So they have that No. You have to Go ahead. Helen. No. You have to Do you remember what I said about drink from a fire hose? You know, you don't need to go on for ten minutes. Okay? What we're talking about is we are talking about a holy crap. You just file your affidavit with the state attorney general, enclose your fee schedule, incorporate through the laws of agency, notice to agent is notice to principal, notice to principal is notice to agent, and then just go on with life. If somebody screws with you, you do have that notice that you can prove you delivered it to the state AG.
So anybody in that state or that county or that little village that messes with you knows or should have known, known or should have known how much it would cost them. Now Roger. Let's let's try and figure out what topic these were on in the chat, sir. I'm sorry. Address
[01:33:33] Unknown:
Alan or somebody. I just want I just wanna say about what Alan's saying. He's talking about a bond. We're not the citizen with a bond anymore. We're just a private individual under natural law. You if you wanna mix yourself into the US system and use your, you know, bonds and whatever it is, that's up to you. That that is not us. What I'm saying. We we are not the US citizen that has a bond.
[01:34:00] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:34:01] Unknown:
Roger. Yeah. Larry, I'm trying to get to you, man. I've lost control of the show here.
[01:34:06] Unknown:
Right. I wanna I wanna correct something that Alan said, which was not entirely accurate. He said that's he said jurisdiction
[01:34:15] Unknown:
can be challenged at any time, and that's not that's not true. No. I I think it can. I think it can. It's gotta be challenged outside. Go ahead. I'm sorry. It depends I agree with you, Roger.
[01:34:29] Unknown:
It did well, then you're disagreeing with the federal rule, Mirka. A defendant must challenge a court's personal jurisdiction by filing a pre answer motion under federal rule civil procedure 12 b two. Otherwise, they waive the defense, and it cannot be raised later. However, a court subject matter jurisdiction can be challenged at any point in in litigation even by the court itself.
[01:34:57] Unknown:
And another thing is, Roger Okay. So hold on hold on, Larry. So you have to use personal jurisdiction at first, but subject matter can be claimed at any time during the proceeding. That's what you just said. Right?
[01:35:12] Unknown:
That's right.
[01:35:13] Unknown:
So it's subject matter that can be claimed, not personal.
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Go ahead. It's subject matter that can be challenged at any time, not personal. Personal's gotta be brought up before you file an answer. And then the other thing is, you've said over the years, you've not seen anyone ever get, you know, compensated because of a fee schedule. The way to, to the way to get compensated from state and federal officials is to file a civil federal lawsuit in federal district court, and you sue them in their either official or personal capacity. That's how you do it. And then they end up settling with you. That's all I got.
[01:35:57] Unknown:
Okay. Maybe. Roger. I still I still don't know of anybody that's done that successfully.
[01:36:03] Unknown:
But okay, Myrca. Go. I just wanted to say, as a private individual natural person under natural law, we need to be using superior court. So I I just spoke to a paralegal not too long ago that understands this, and this is a few months ago. He says you have to use superior court. So there's a lot of information that we need to review and research ourselves to understand Okay. You know, what we where we should be, you know, to hold on. The superior court in California
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might be called something different in another state.
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Sure. I agree. Comment. Yeah.
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Well, there's Joe. Hey, Joe. Welcome to the fray.
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Yeah. 1993, Hafer versus Malo, h o e h o f e r v m e l o. And then a government official can be sued in their individual capacity.
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Of course, they can be. And If they violated, they stepped outside of their due delegated responsibilities. Absolutely.
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So what's the debate on the federal issue?
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Holy shit. I don't know what we're doing around here today. We're chasing our tail, seems like to me.
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I guess I guess so. Well, maybe I misunderstood.
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Yeah. Okay. Now the whole thing is we've got this this elderly lady, a lady who's a little older in age, Cheryl down there in Citrus County, Florida. And she's got boss Hogg as the sheriff and judge Roy Bean as the hanging judge. So what does little old, Cheryl do? How does she does she combat this? She probably can't find an attorney that would do it. Mark isn't even available, on our side. But what's she supposed to do? You've already been damaged, girl, in my eyes. I don't know when you filed your affidavit. I don't know how thoroughly and effectively you did it, but, they're messing with you evidently after you file that document.
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The comment.
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Pepsi, you just don't ever know. Oh, boy. What I should know today. Holy smokes.
[01:38:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Go ahead. Me me me me me me. Cheryl, you send me an email to [email protected]. I might have, I might have a solution for you. Something that you might be able to as long as this happened less than seven years ago. So might might have a way you can go. So, Cheryl, you get that sending in an email to pgbeaner,beiner,@gi.com. B I e.
[01:38:53] Unknown:
B I e. Excuse me? N e r? N e r. N e r. Just like wiener with a b. Well, you got something you can peruse over. K?
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It's still active. It's still active.
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What is? Oh, oh, the case is still active. Okay. Good.
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Alright. Yeah. Roger
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them go. Don't let them go.
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In fact, they to me incompetent to stand trial. So they to my speed. They forced, a public pretender on me. They've done so much damage. It's incredible.
[01:39:31] Unknown:
Now you've you just fire his ass. You just fire his ass. The reason they gave you a public pretender is because when you were when you were, represented by counsel in court, you are deemed incompetent for that very reason. So you fire the public defender. Fire him. Say he does not speak for me.
[01:39:56] Unknown:
I did three times, Paul, in writing.
[01:40:00] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Well, then you send me an email right quick. I've got something that you need to look at, and you just go after everyone. Everyone.
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Yeah. Yes. Yes.
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If there's a rat in the corner of the courtroom, serve him too.
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Anyway, I yield. Okay. Good for you, Cheryl. Don't stop. Don't give up, please.
[01:40:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger. You know? Nice. It's it's easy what they're I think they're, well and while I was in jail, they stole my my they they broke into my house and stole all my money and all my jewelry.
[01:40:39] Unknown:
So you they you did the time already. There's they don't look. Right now, the ball is in your court. They're they're betting on you not doing anything. You gotta go after them. Gotta take the responsible for this.
[01:40:53] Unknown:
But they're not paying attention to anything I put in because of the public pretender. Rock They they force me into a public pretender so they don't they ignore everything I put in.
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Okay. So what you do is you fire him and say, no. He doesn't speak for me. I speak for myself. I don't know who this guy is. He needs to leave the court immediately, period. I am who I am. I know who I am. He's not speaking for me. I'm not his minor.
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You're the agent majority. Remember Yeah. Just deemed me incompetent to even stand trial.
[01:41:32] Unknown:
Well, then I'd say you need to challenge I'd say you need to challenge that first if that's the obstacle.
[01:41:40] Unknown:
Oh, there you go. That's right. First step. Well,
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you're putting me through incompetency hearings. I've already had, I I you know, when I got out of jail, the first thing I did is I used my insurance to go to a mental health professional, and they said, no. You're not a schizophrenia like they're saying. And it's like yeah. They asked me two questions. I wasn't asked those two questions. I the, the the ones who deemed me with that condition.
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This is, it's
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a mess.
[01:42:17] Unknown:
This is Paul from Kentucky. Am am I muted? Can y'all hear me? No. You're just fine, Paul. Go ahead. Okay. Hey. I am so excited to be on this call because, I can relate with everything that's been said, and I'm dealing with the same thing with the courts of Kentucky. And I just wanted to say to this lady that and and everybody else has kinda said it in a different way, but she must be on to something very strong because if it wasn't that strong, they would not be working against her as hard as they are. And we've obviously seen this with our president and, on a smaller, more local scale. I've been dealing with the same thing. And, Paul, if I heard you correctly, as long as the case is still active or within seven years, some of the stuff that you had mentioned is viable, to do to to to Oh, yeah. Go after the judges.
Okay. Thank you. And I yield. I just wanted to let this lady know she's not the only one. I am Alright. I've I've spoke this on your show before, and I'm dealing with the same song. Thank you, and I hope you I thought it was Dave you'd called in before.
[01:43:42] Unknown:
That's Dave. He's been trying to get in for, I don't know, how long. Five minutes, Dave? Go ahead.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Well, actually, since Bob was talking about individuals, but I wanna start here. I wanna say that, you know, I know he's not with us anymore, but, Hartford Van Dyke most definitely took, he filed criminal complaints in the federal court against agencies, you know, like the CPS and, you know, court officials and all of this stuff. So you can take these cases to the federal court in a criminal in a criminal complaint, and he had a form that you filled out. Now he's not around anymore, but, I know that that's what Cheryl has to do. They're not gonna hear her in her state, any state court. Now back to the individual.
God created us as mankind. Men, woman, and young men and young woman. Okay? Women. The all these words, individual person, those were all created by the legal fiction that these people that call themselves our government. We why won't they ask us if we're are you the man? Are you the woman? No. They're not gonna say that because they know that that they don't want us to answer to a man or woman. They want us to answer to person and individual,
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and I yield. Thank you. No. Okay. Well, I'm not sure I agree with all that, Dave, but that's okay. Hey, Roger. Else has got something to add. Yep. There's one.
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Hey, Roger.
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Hey. Roger. Hello? I left the Hey, Wae'eb. Wae'eb.
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Hey. Here comes topic number seven. Hey. I left the latest
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doctor Shiva on doctor Shiva's latest on Merner Technology.
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Oh, you're welcome. You're a breath. I left it in the chat. Waheed, you're a breath of fresh air. Thank you, sir. Doctor Shiva, you left something about doctor Shiva in the chat, did you?
[01:46:02] Unknown:
Yes. It's his latest on the murder technology on the murder techno murder Okay. Murder technology
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or murder murder I think we got murder and murder interchangeably.
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MRNA.
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Holy Paul, where is is Mercury we're in this damn harvest full moon, aren't we? Yes. I I do believe. But in retrograde? Is Mercury in retrograde?
[01:46:28] Unknown:
I do believe. But you know what? I think AI is gonna need aspirin to transcript this show.
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Yep.
[01:46:38] Unknown:
Yeah. That would be a hell of a transcript there. Okay, Wajid. Thanks. I totally agree with you, Shiva. Shiva is exceptionally sharp. K?
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Yes. Comet?
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Yes.
[01:46:51] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger. Victor in Washington. Hey, Victor. Hey. That the guy that was talking about filing a fee schedule, he he kept on saying secretary of state. He meant to say attorney general. Correct?
[01:47:07] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I mean, you could send it to the secretary of state of The US. That's not gonna but it's not gonna be any effective. You need to send it to the AG.
[01:47:16] Unknown:
Yeah. The AG is the one that's gonna be charging you. So you're gonna be charging me. On that?
[01:47:25] Unknown:
I I sent my yeah. I sent one thing against the top against the to the attorney general. They found nothing wrong. They just blow over you. You gotta go over this guy's head. Once you go over this guy's head, then he'll respond in a different way. I'm sure. Twice, I've sent him just that letters. Okay. Okay. Good point. Good point. Wait a minute. Now both you and Alan are correct. Number one, you send a fee schedule to the state AG,
[01:47:50] Unknown:
which is not gonna help you because in order to sue the state, you have to use the federal court. So if you have the affidavit and your fee schedule sent to the secretary of state of The United States, then it is on record at the federal level. So do both.
[01:48:09] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Do both. Cover all bases. Let's see. Good luck in court. Secretary of state.
[01:48:15] Unknown:
When when you do a complaint, the attorney general is supposed to oversee all these small municipalities. And if he doesn't respond to you, you have to go over him. And I think I think Merkham might have a point. I think I'm gonna have to go to the superior court, the Supreme Court of Illinois, and file charges against these, their own employees. And that's what I think has has to happen. Again, I don't know. I'm I'm just I gotta take one step at a time, and I don't wanna misinform anybody. As I go through it, I'll let you know.
[01:48:42] Unknown:
You know? I can hear you very well buried. Roger Bruce. Please let us know. Okay. Well, there's Bruce again. Yes, sir.
[01:48:50] Unknown:
You can take that fee schedule and make it a affidavit and send it to the secretary of state of United States and the court. Thirty days, it becomes a law. The law in the case. There you go. I I think I already do.
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Mhmm. K. Make it an affidavit. Was that Joe?
[01:49:10] Unknown:
I heard Joe's.
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Okay. No. That was Sam. Okay.
[01:49:15] Unknown:
Alright. Got about, ten minutes left. Do we get anything else contentious we can bring out here? I I hope all y'all stay out. I got a court. And I don't think that getting some amount of Babble Bucks is worth the crap you're gonna have to go through to pursue that. But if you want to do it, you do it. Let us know how it turns out. Hey, Roger. Yes. I think that's Danny.
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No.
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Oh, it's not. Sounded like him. Okay. Hello. Who is this? Alright. This is
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this is Ezana. He's not up in Austin.
[01:49:53] Unknown:
Izana. Hey, man. Listen. I want you to do something. Go over to Tucker Carlson's channel. And he had a delightful interview with a representative out of Houston that's running for, eye patches, position that, you you Republican guy, real straight, you may wanna listen to that. Okay?
[01:50:17] Unknown:
I will most certainly do that. Thank you very much for letting me out. Yeah. I just watched it last night. Very impress very impressive guy.
[01:50:26] Unknown:
I got I don't remember his name, but he's super impressive. He's gonna run for, I think, what's his name? Eye patch's, position. Turned out to be a unbelievable Crenshaw, unbelievable disappointment. Go ahead, Ezana. What's your point? Can you bring some sanity in here for us this morning?
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I know. I'm gonna change the subject.
[01:50:47] Unknown:
Let's see if I can get that a little bit.
[01:50:53] Unknown:
Well, I I have two topics I wanted to bring up to your attention. Uh-huh. So I was, first one was, you know, how you talk to us about, not subject to, to jurisdiction, you know, in the Yes. Moment. Correct. So I thought I think you'll find this very interesting. It's stuff's PDF I found. It's, directly from uscode.house.gov, and it says maybe you ever you may have seen it before, but it's, '39 thirty ninth congress session one, chapter 31, and it's ending in 1866, 04/09/1866. Now this is what they wrote in their records congress. K? Be be it enacted by the senate and house of representative of the United States of America, and congress assembled, that all persons born in The United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians, not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of The United States.
[01:52:13] Unknown:
Wow. Yeah. They've, well, of course, the Indians, they've changed that. In 1925, they made them all citizens of The United States, I believe, that came up on the show the other day. Joe might could verify that. But yeah. And you know ambassadors or yeah. And and those would have been in it's not taxed. And the case for that is Elk v Wilkins, Ajanna.
[01:52:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Elk v. Elk v. And it's interesting because it helped helped the locals. And it and it goes on and on. It's a slavery involuntary servitude, and it goes on and on. To sue parties and to and give evidence, and sell you know, lease, sell, hold, convey, etcetera, etcetera, and full and equal benefits of laws and proceeding of security of persons and property as enjoyed by white citizens.
[01:53:15] Unknown:
And we Yeah. That's in. Now that phrase that phrase, verbatim lifted right out of there, is over in title forty two nineteen eighty three, I believe, is the section. And it says 80 ones. But There's a couple of them. I know. It says the privileges and immunities of the citizens of The United States are the same as the white citizens, and that's in there today.
[01:53:44] Unknown:
Yes. So I was,
[01:53:47] Unknown:
you know, my wife So Cheryl, that Cheryl, that's the kind of stuff you gotta show in front of these throw in front of these people's faces to see how they respond. Title 42, The United States code, the privileges and immunities of the citizens of The United States are equal to those of the white citizens, now called nationals, right there in The United States code? That's the kind of stuff you need to rub their nose in. Go ahead, Azana.
[01:54:20] Unknown:
Yeah. So this, you know how you talk about sometimes, you'll be, you know, doing some things and you think about some stuff, and ideas just pop in your mind. Right? Yep. Yep. Stuff we talk about that. And something like I experienced something like that. And so last four days, we were passing through Washington DC DC area. Well, that's up to what day he says. I got nothing better to do, so I was waiting for to meet to meet with Julie, but she stood me up. Julie. But that's okay. Yeah. We're gonna have to find a way to punish her.
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Thanks a lot, miss Donna.
[01:55:02] Unknown:
We'll we'll make her do break dances in the White House parking lot. Go ahead.
[01:55:09] Unknown:
And, we're, and so we're we're, and so I was thinking about this. Right? And then, you know, I see a checkerboard. I'm not sure exactly where I saw a checkerboard where you have a black and white. I can see, like, a checkerboard for gangs. Yeah. They have flags of all kinds of flags. I think I may have seen a lot of that. And it occurred to me, please, Freemasons love their checker checkerboards that you have. Black Yes. They do. All their floors are checkerboards. That's correct. All their floors are checkerboards. There is a white side, and then there is a black side.
Yeah. So I got to thinking, this obviously has nothing to do with your race when it says white sitting here. It can't be erased though because we can't because you have races of the law even in Europe. Okay? So it can't be a race. Like, they can't be something we identify a person, with either because we're all different. So it had to be, like, good on bad, black and white. Right? You have opposites. So I don't know. That came to me. I thought that was a very interesting thing.
[01:56:28] Unknown:
Tim, I'm gonna tell you what, the dialectish this dialectic aspect of this is right at the foundation of everything because everything's built on that. The better you can identify that and understand it and recognize it, the more aware you'll be of what's going on. So Yeah. I'm aware. I hear a whistler. Did you see that sign? Okay. As on, did you see the sign when you left that said you're leaving The United States? One of those green road signs? Oh, no. I haven't seen that. Oh, no. They used to have them up there. Right. Let's see. Wahib, it's gotta be really quick. Alright. Hold on. I I'm not Yes. Yes. I left. Hold on. Hold on one.
Wahid is just dying to interrupt. Yes. Wahid, what'd you leave?
[01:57:21] Unknown:
I left something in the chat, but it's not it was from pat it was supposed to be from Padgett, but it's something from a seventies music show. You know how you it it's not what I wanted to send. It was supposed to be something from Padgett.
[01:57:35] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Go guard the bank while you're offering trying to somebody might be trying to rob the bank. Go guard it. And, listen. It was Wednesday today. We didn't have Mark, unfortunately. Hopefully, we'll find out what's going on with him. I hope it's nothing terrible. Zana, congratulations,
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man. I have some.
[01:57:58] Unknown:
Well, okay. I got something to tell you. Off in a minute. Well, we're alright. Donnie, have a look. In just a second. We're gonna lay our bodies down. We're gonna well, hell, we may be back tomorrow on Thursday. Hope so. Hope you will be. Hope we didn't drive you off. Ciao. Alright, Zana.
[01:58:17] Unknown:
Awesome. So I'm gonna stop you. Are we off, Paul?
[01:58:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Hold on. Let me see if we've transitioned. You gotta use that terms lightly too. Okay. I think we've transitioned to the after show group.
[01:58:34] Unknown:
Yeah. So so,
[01:58:37] Unknown:
it's See how they ruined good words? I can't even use I can't even use the word transition anymore. That they have screwed up gay. Now they've screwed up transition. I mean, these people are terrible. Go ahead, Azan.
[01:58:53] Unknown:
So, I wanted to so you have a medical need, it turns out. And, just wanted to highlight that, Julie has put up a GoFundMe site for you. Yes. And I put the link on the chat. Alright? So Yeah. I'm just gonna talk to everyone on the phone listening right now. Y'all need to chip in. Okay. $20, $10. Roger has a need, and he's doing amazing things for us. He's teaching us all. So the least we can do is, you know, chip in what we can, what we can afford.
[01:59:26] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. And we really appreciate any of that. So thank you. I Yeah. I appreciate Julie doing that. There.
[01:59:34] Unknown:
Okay. Julie's amazing, and she's set so start it all up. And, it's a link in there so y'all can access it and just put $20 or something or anything. Alright. Susanna,
[01:59:45] Unknown:
thank you so much. Appreciate it. I'm certainly it's an ordeal I'm not looking forward to. I'll tell you that. Yeah. Good. Thank you so much. Now I've got a believe it or not, I've got a lunch appointment today. One of that group from that lunch got my number and reached out to me and said, what happened? And I I said, well, we can get together and have lunch to tell you about it. And and he said, you know, I haven't been going very much since you stopped coming. And I thought that was a very nice comment. So, anyway, I've got lunch with this gentleman. He's from Alaska today. And, so I'm gonna run off and do my stuff. Anybody else have something for me today? News, Roger.
Breaking news on ABC Radio.
[02:00:33] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. They they just arrested a 29 year old Florida man in California for, they're saying that he started the Palisade fires, in some underground fire, and they're saying the evidence is that he had chat g b t draw a depiction of a fire and people fleeing from it. That's their evidence. That's what they just said on on the radio. And one other thing that they stole from us, Roger, you can't say I blew a tranny on the way home from work yesterday without people, you know
[02:01:12] Unknown:
yeah. I guess, I guess that's not you you don't wanna keep that phrase in your lexicon. Okay? Jeez almighty, these wackos. Thank you, Dave. A little levity on the tail end. Anybody else real quick?
[02:01:28] Unknown:
Hey. Hey. Yeah. Are you are you speaking, Rodger?
[02:01:32] Unknown:
I'm gonna I'm trying. Roger? Roger? Nobody's got some chlamingo guitar. I'm trying my best too, Cheryl.
[02:01:40] Unknown:
No. It's Mary.
[02:01:42] Unknown:
Mary. Okay. Sorry. I don't know if somebody's got guitar on in the background. It's a guitar diggy. That's lovely. Mary, did you need me for something?
[02:01:56] Unknown:
Well, no. Remember, I was gonna tell that story, but the show was so good today. We're gonna have to make the Kamala Harris story a different day. Because you got I'm asking you to buy.
[02:02:06] Unknown:
It was way out of my control today. Okay, Ferris. What do you got? I might as well cap the show off with you. Thank you.
[02:02:14] Unknown:
Ferris? I just wanted to just wanted to congratulate us all on arriving at the sacrosanct, nature of words. Each word, each letter in each word needs to be examined. The loss of the word gay, the blow in a tranny on a way No. No. That's a very, very worthwhile radio. But let's get back to the word. In the beginning was the word, and the word was God. Stick with the words. The words will set you free. Uh-huh. The words will cure our problems. Amen.
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Set I yield.
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Okay. Right here? One dry oh, god almighty. Yes, yes, for everything you
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do. Thank you for everything you do for us. Thank you very much. For real. I
[02:02:59] Unknown:
I want I want I want I want these bad boys. You make a comment today
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in the beginning about changing your persona. I believe, yes, when you do this, you change your persona because I used to be somebody else, and they don't wanna give me no passport. And they gave it to me, and they're not looking for me anymore.
[02:03:24] Unknown:
Here you go, baby. Thank you, Raj.
[02:03:27] Unknown:
Okay. Who's playing the guitar in the background? Stop it or mute yourself. Understand that.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
Mute it, Paul. Is is this one of our, I can't find it. You boy you boy buddies or something? Yeah. You found it. Who was that? Who's running?
[02:03:52] Unknown:
It was a room. Carol? I know. I think it's her whole music. She does the call on.
[02:04:00] Unknown:
Well, I just I just booted her out. So
[02:04:03] Unknown:
Who who was it, Paul?
[02:04:06] Unknown:
Oh, it I'm it was an anonymous line. I don't know who it was, but Okay. Some cellular providers play hold music when you put somebody on hold to answer another call. If your provider does that, if you get a phone call, hang up from the conference.
[02:04:26] Unknown:
Do they play good flamenco guitar like that?
[02:04:29] Unknown:
On hold? I don't know, I guess.
[02:04:31] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Well I thought it was Anyway, it was good. If you were trying if you were trying to disrupt us, you were playing very good music. So that's it. Now what was that last comment?
[02:04:42] Unknown:
Oh, I think it was probably accidental.
[02:04:45] Unknown:
No. I thought it was less to give him lessons. That's all. I'm done.
[02:04:49] Unknown:
Okay. Well, could it been? I'm sure he's that good. Alright. Ciao. I think he's better than that. Hasta manana. I didn't
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mean to copy during the show, guys. Sorry.
[02:05:01] Unknown:
Well, Sam, it's good to hear from you. Good to hear from you. I'm glad you're I'll keep in touch, guys. I I do. Alright, buddy. Thank you. Alright. Keep don't go down south. Don't go to the South Side.
[02:05:13] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna do what I gotta do, Rod.
[02:05:16] Unknown:
Alright. Hey, Sam. Alright. So I've got a dog there.
[02:05:21] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you very much. Thanks, Susanna. Ciao ciao. Sam, before you go, tell me where your pizza place is because there's no good pizza in Mendota.
[02:05:29] Unknown:
You know, it used to be it used to be pizza pizza, but my boys sold it because they got into The US, you know, the non US citizenship. And I think they won it out. Yeah. They were kinda they had, like, an s corp and, you know, they were kinda bound in there. And at that point, they were just like, this is not not worth it. If we had done it differently, it would have been different. And they both went different ways. You know? So Ma'am, that's a bummer. I really would need some good pizza around here.
[02:05:56] Unknown:
These people in Mendota do not understand what real pizza is.
[02:06:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It was really good pizza. It was a small mom and pop place for thirty years. And they sold it to some guy, and he completely changed the the the recipe, and now he's got no business. So it's it's on him. It is what it is. But it was they they increased the business by over a 130,000 a year. They would've done really well. Yeah. They would've done really well, but it is what it is. So This is Bruce. What's that?
[02:06:29] Unknown:
I said, this is Bruce. Make your own pizza like you like it. You don't need a cup company to make pizza. Make your own pizza. That's what I do.
[02:06:37] Unknown:
I get what I want on the pizza. I do, but you can't get good the sausage is the hard part around here because nobody puts they don't know what they're doing around here. They really don't. I do make my own pizza by getting your hands on some good sausage.
[02:06:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Sausage is What's that? Sausage, is like a, killer. It'll kill you. It's not that good.
[02:07:02] Unknown:
Okay. So the with this pizza, it it was the sauce. I gotta tell you guys. It was the sauce. And, it was really the sauce. Nothing else. Not the sauces, not the pepperoni. It was the sauce. It was really that made the whole pizza. Anyways but anyways, okay. I'm a let you guys go. I didn't wanna comment here. Hey. Show. I just wanted to help people out. Yeah.
[02:07:25] Unknown:
Sam, I just wanted to ask, did you go to for everything you talked about today, and thank you for that, did you actually go did did you actually go in the court, and what put you in court?
[02:07:37] Unknown:
So I thought I explained that they they went after me at a, municipality level, and I challenged the jurisdiction. You never sit there you know, here's the thing. You walk in and they say, how do you they they call your name. Right then and there, you know, you don't say any you don't you go, I'm here on that. I'm here on special special appearance. You know? Because they've created another person. Even my lawyer buddy might have told me that. There's two different people. So, anyways, yeah, I'm here on that matter. That's what you say. And then they say, how do you plead?
Well, right then and there, that's how they get you. If you sit there and go, well, you know, I wasn't parked there or the trailer wasn't on my driveway or whatever the excuse is. You say to them, wait a minute. Plead what? You know, don't you have to be convicted before you make a plea?
[02:08:29] Unknown:
But saying what Don't be I'm asking what piece of paper or whatever put you in jail took you to jail. Oh, what They didn't pleading and begging.
[02:08:38] Unknown:
Pleading is begging.
[02:08:41] Unknown:
Yes. So yeah. There you go, Dave. So no. I I did some sidings. I hired a company to do some siding on my dad's house, and I said if you get a permit, you're not getting this job. You will be removed from the property. They said no problem. I said give me your insurance, your workman's comp, whatever. They sent me a copy of it. Then they went in and instead of doing the job, and all of a sudden this guy comes up and goes, hey, man. You know, you don't have a permit. And I said, he could the guy calls me because, hey. The inspector's here. And he goes, I said, give me him. And I said, he he give me the phone. He goes I go, who is this? This is a countryside. I said, get the fuck off the property now. He hands the guy the phone back. I'm sorry. I do swear at time to time because I'm pissed off.
And, he, he gives me he he gets the phone. He goes I go, what's he doing? He goes, I don't know, man, but he got in his car and he just took off. I go, thank you. Adults here. Go ahead and swear we're adults. You know, the kids use those terms. We'll use them too. Don't don't apologize.
[02:09:37] Unknown:
This is free speech.
[02:09:39] Unknown:
Is this Ferris? It damn sure you're right. It's whoever you want to write. Hey, Ferris. What's your vulgarities?
[02:09:45] Unknown:
I'm a hit I'm here for special special appearance. Sorry. Be a civilized person.
[02:09:50] Unknown:
Be a civilized person. Be a civilized person. I'm here for a special I'm here for a special appearance for the womanhood. To
[02:09:55] Unknown:
your question, in order to plea, you don't have to be convicted. You'll plea when you're accused. You don't have to be convicted to to enter a plea.
[02:10:03] Unknown:
Well, you're accused, you you're
[02:10:06] Unknown:
right? Right. You're saying you're guilty. Guilty of what? Same. What crime is being committed? Right? So, anyways, I said I don't consent.
[02:10:14] Unknown:
Did you get a notice did you get a notice in the mail or at your front door? I did. Yes. I did. Yes. I did. Yes. I did. I'm ask. That's what I'm asking. What Okay. So here notice from and what did it say that made you go You said that,
[02:10:27] Unknown:
you didn't you didn't, you're in violation of not getting a permit. And I think Mark said this example one time. I guess some guy was putting a roof on his house or something or a barn, and the village inspector walked up and said, where's your permit? He goes, what are you talking about? Oh, no. No. No. You can't do that. You gotta go get a permit. So when he ran down and got a permit, came back, the guy started citing him with all this stuff. He goes, what are you doing? He goes, what do you mean? You got a permit. Right? He had the right now because you gave him the authority to get this permit to start telling you how to do it because he's permitting you to work on your own house. And I find that very ignorant. I never got anything from anybody. I work for everything that I have. I built everything, and I do everything myself. I don't need your authority to live. I need the authority from God. That's it.
[02:11:12] Unknown:
So did you get a notice working for me. What made you show up at court? Did you get a notice in the mail or somebody present something at to you at the front door? What made you go No. I got I got one in the mail. I sent them a a a response to their letter saying,
[02:11:28] Unknown:
thank you. We don't need your service. You got ten days to reply to this. Otherwise, it's a tacit agreement, meaning, hey. The silence means consent. Right? Well, they went and ran over me again, And we had a court date. I didn't go. So I went to the next one. When he heard it the second time, I said, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Default, $750. He said, alright, smart guy. I see I went also, I got prior to going to court, I got his oath of office that he has filed in the city of Countryside. K? And then I signed my name over it.
I took a copy of it. I had the the clerk state that I did not get a permit. If you get a permit, you're in their jurisdiction. You're under their authority. Whatever it is.
[02:12:13] Unknown:
Who told you to go to jail? Who told you to go to jail? I mean, who told you to go to court?
[02:12:20] Unknown:
You have to respond to it. The all I'm saying is look. Here is the court is this. Did did you respond by paper, or did you respond by going in the court? Responded by paper. They responded by paper. They they filed a default judgment, meaning I wasn't there. Right? So then I went to court to combat this. I said, woah. Woah. Woah. I sent this to you and the attorney general. The attorney general responded right away because it was certified letter. I said, I'm not gonna get into this bullshit. Right? Okay. That's what it was. So then then I went to the court. They ran over me. I said, you know what? Screw you. Let's go to the court circuit court.
I go to the circuit court, and the guy's like, well, you know, I could remand it. And so why would you remand it? You gotta vacate this. You know? So So as he went on and on, we went back and forth. We just talked. That's all it is. It's a hearing. They wanna hear what you have to say. Well, you have evidence of something. Don't be afraid of them. You don't owe them anything. Look. They're telling you one thing. Okay. Prove it. Oh, well, you didn't get a permit. Yeah. You're right. I didn't. So how do you have authority over me? In personas jurisdictions mean they have the control over you. From what I understand, it's in personas, subject matter, and and territorial jurisdiction. It's a three legged table. If they don't have one of those legs, the table falls. They have to have all three. Now I learned all this stuff by the seat of my pants. I'm doing the best I can with it. I I'm not an expert. Please don't think that. All it is is when someone asks you a question, you have the right to speak that they're asking you some speak. You bring someone else in like that poor lady in in Florida, Sheila, Shelley. You know, don't have to speak for you. He can't speak for me. Who are you? You don't have control over me. I'm not your slave. I'm not your child.
I'm gonna speak for myself. They cannot address you. They can't. They can only deal with corporations. They can't deal with the the the the the real man, the real person, the the living, breathing person. They can't. They have to have someone coming at you going, yeah. This guy smashed into me. And now, you know, I'm my back hurts and you gotta make me whole. That's it. Speeding is not a crime. Then nobody got hurt. I I had this discussion with a lawyer buddy of mine. He says, oh, well, you know, this I said, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Speeding is not a crime. He said, yeah. It is. I said, no. It's not. It's a traffic infraction first and foremost, but you gotta be in their jurisdiction. Okay? If that's the case, George, I says, well, here's the deal. Doesn't that officer have a gun? Well, yeah. So can he now he could that's a threat on your life. He could take your life. So why isn't he in prison?
If we're gonna we're gonna go this route oh, it could be. Could be. Well, this guy could kill me. I coulda hurt somebody. I didn't. He didn't shoot anybody. But if that's if you're gonna get convicted of of of of a presumption, well, then everybody has to be presumptive. That's discrimination. Cops cannot have guns because he could take my life. Oh, no. Well, you're speeding. Here's a $102,100 dollar ticket. No. Let's make sense of this. Try to make it simple. Judge, absolutely not. I never got a permit. You where's your search warrant when you stepped on a property?
You're supposed to protect my rights, judge. That's the only reason you're here. You charge the treasury. You need to take care of this, period. And they know it. They they make a mistake. They judge against you. You go to the next level, the appellate courts, which I haven't gone yet. Then it goes to the next one. It goes to the Supreme Court. They have to judge in your favor. They're there for you, period. This is the law. You're lucky I haven't had coffee this morning. I'm sorry. This is how I'd look at things. I'm sorry. I'd like to make a remark. I can't Please. Make.
Yeah.
[02:16:05] Unknown:
I think the bottom line is we all wanna stay out of court as much as we possibly can. And just remember one thing. They cannot proceed unless you take ownership of that name. They can do nothing. They may do they may go through trial. They cannot proceed unless you take ownership of the name. Bingo. Period. So Yep. Sometimes we like to talk. We love to talk, But sometimes you you you you don't take owners the the last thing you wanna do in in a courtroom because you can't proceed unless you take the ownership of that name. Once you take the ownership, you're done.
[02:16:49] Unknown:
I yield. That ownership means that you are their slave. Are you my slave? Yes. Oh, well, then I could do whatever I want. Oh, you did this. Prove to me that you have that authority over my life. Because I know god gave me life. He gave me breath. He gave me life. Where do you get off telling me what I could do? Now if I work for the government, hey. I'm bound by their ordinance and statues. 100%. I work for you. I gotta make the pizza. I gotta make the sauce. I don't work for you. You can't run out of the pizza place, grab me, and pull me in and go, hey, man. Start making pizzas. No. It doesn't work like that. I don't need your authority to walk down the street.
[02:17:32] Unknown:
Sam, the first thing they ask you when you go in there is state your name for the record.
[02:17:38] Unknown:
Yeah. That's the first thing they ask you. Yep. That's true. That's true. Once you state it, you're in a jurisdiction. We got him. He he raised his hand. He stated his name. He stated the slave stated his name. Our slave stated their name. And I tell him my Christian name is Sotero, and I go from there.
[02:18:00] Unknown:
Ma'am?
[02:18:01] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:18:02] Unknown:
My name is Julie. How come you didn't, plead, null t l record, n u l space t I e l space record? It's a legal speak, plea to deny the existence of a record upon which a plaintiff bases their claim. Because
[02:18:19] Unknown:
I didn't know about it. What is this?
[02:18:22] Unknown:
It's Nul, N U L, space, T I E L, space, record. It's basically a common law plea that assert there is no record. Or that Null, null,
[02:18:39] Unknown:
t e I l, t I e l. N u l,
[02:18:43] Unknown:
space t I e l, t as in Tom, I as in India, e as in elephant, l as in Larry. Yeah.
[02:18:51] Unknown:
Space record.
[02:18:52] Unknown:
Yeah. And my and my other understanding is, that they have blended, the legal fiction with the living and breathing man or woman in these courts and that you've got to take over your minor account, which is your, Treasury Direct account, which is under title 31 CFR three six three point six. And then you're no longer a minor when you go into those courts, and you're not already deemed legally incompetent from the minute you enter their courtroom because you've taken over your minor account.
[02:19:25] Unknown:
Right. You're the age of majority. Right. Yep. Right. After the age of 19.
[02:19:30] Unknown:
Yep. Otherwise, when you go in there, even if you say you're making a special appearance, my understanding is that they've blended the legal fiction with the breathing and living human woman or man, male or female, and they've blended those two together. So which is not lawful to do, but that's what they've done is my understanding and that we've got to take over that minor account so that when we walk in a courtroom, we're no longer deemed incompetent.
[02:20:00] Unknown:
Incompetent with what they did to her. Right. Right. So yeah. Okay. I missed I missed the point I was gonna make. But, anyways, go ahead. Oh, no. I was asking a couple of questions because your case is very interesting
[02:20:13] Unknown:
on what took place. I appreciate you sharing it. Oh, right. Well, okay. So you just said you earlier you said that they're they're they're blending both the people together. Right? Yeah. They're blending up. Yeah. And and and my friend actually pled no TL record in the courtroom, and then the judge just entered a plea of guilty on behalf of the person who, said no TL record. And he stood up and said, are you practicing law from the bench? And that was when the judge got really pissed off and told him that he wanted to see him in his chambers and he dismissed the case. But I know other people who go go to court who are asking the judge, can I see the bond and the $10.99 in the case, and can I have the CUSIP number? Because they they create a bond in your name when you go to court, and then they sign a ten ninety nine a on your behalf, which is stealing, which is stealing from you, and they commit identity theft by signing your name to that bond. They create a bid, a bid bond. I actually have the form to create the bid bond. And then they have the CUSIP number, that, assigns the, number to the bond, to the security that they created on behalf of your name. So they're they're they are committing identity theft by signing your name, and they're committing securities fraud by by creating a bond in your name because they're not security they're not licensed as security dealers.
[02:21:39] Unknown:
Right. The other point though is this. If they are getting revenue from this case, they have to recuse themselves because they have a financial interest in the case, and they cannot hear it. Okay? Julie. And then again again, going back to the two names, it's a presumptuous government. So that's where you stand on your on your your own two feet and say, hey. No. No. No. No. Big mistake. I am not who you say I am. This is who I am, and this is what it's gonna cost you. This is who I charge, and I'm a I'm a nonresident alien. I'm not a US citizen. So you wanna keep proceeding, it's on you. And that's when you put everything in record. Right? You go and you file all this stuff. And I did it with, like Roger said, my administrative proceedings. I went and filed everything. So there's no guesswork anymore. You wanna come at me because you got a bug up your ass? Let's go.
I'll make sure you know, we'll take care of it. We'll take care of it. You know?
[02:22:32] Unknown:
Well, Sam, you have me. I see him. Sam, you better Sam, you Sam, you ought to just go, to the IRS and ask for the $10.99. IRS has to do the accounting. They gotta give you the $10.99 for the $10.99 a for the case, and I'll tell you right now these things? For these case? Yeah. They they they they issue bonds before even a case is heard there. You got those bonds issued. You should go get the $10.99 a. And, you're listed as the the debtor, and they're listed as the creditor when you're the creditor and they're the debtor. And you can file a ten ninety nine a corrected form, send it back to the court, and tell them give me my money back that you stole. Comments. Oh, no. We're I wanna get them for the big money. That's okay. I'm gonna really I'm gonna put I'm telling you that that bond that they that bond, that $10.99 a that they did on you is probably millions of dollars.
[02:23:19] Unknown:
Really? Oh, man. Yeah. Okay. Do you have my number? Why don't you why don't you text me your number or text me and help me get through this? I mean, I don't know how to proceed, to be honest with you. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep researching it. Paul has text me your number, and I can call you. Okay. Paul, text me my text or my number. This is interesting. I have a question. Okay.
[02:23:42] Unknown:
I have a question. Sherry. Alright. Not Sherry. Julie. I'm sorry, Sherry. Julie. Well, actually, you're both in good company. I love you both anyways, so it doesn't matter. Julie, were you on that Zoom call last night?
[02:23:58] Unknown:
Which one? With the Republic? No. No. I wasn't on a Zoom call last night. What Zoom call was it?
[02:24:08] Unknown:
It was, Commoner Law Group.
[02:24:13] Unknown:
The Common Law Group?
[02:24:15] Unknown:
Commoner Law Group.
[02:24:17] Unknown:
Oh, I've I've never been on their Zoom.
[02:24:20] Unknown:
Oh. You've never been on their Zoom?
[02:24:22] Unknown:
Okay. Are they good?
[02:24:25] Unknown:
Well, actually, they were talking about this very thing last night, the CUSIP, the bid bond, performance bond, and payment bond Yep. And how they, and and how they actually, steal your identity. They're they're guilty of identity theft and securities fraud. And Yep. There that's exactly the information that I'm gonna be sending to Cheryl, because I was on that Okay. Can I talk, please? Can I talk? Alright. Can I Sorry? Can we talk? Yeah. Alright. Anyways,
[02:25:05] Unknown:
I was on that Zoom call last night. I recorded interject something really quickly. Do not forget what Joe Lustig has said about his friend who is still sitting in jail because he asked for those bonds, and the judge says, I feel threatened.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
Yep. I I do. And they handcuffed him. We don't have And he's still sitting in jail. I understand that, but we don't have a name. We don't have proof of that. We don't know what the context was within which that was said. And and also, Sherry, really depends on which court you're in and which judge you get in front of. My understanding is that when as soon as you plead no TL record the judge knows that you're on to their scheme and that this is a bank and not a court and that, you know what the the game is that they're playing in there. And he'll get up he'll just get up and he'll just say, okay, just work I'm gonna enter a plea of guilty on your behalf and as soon as you ask him if he's practicing law from the bench and then ask him for those three things, that they'll call you back to the chambers, at least this is what happened to one of my friends. My friend didn't go to jail for that.
Go ahead, Paul. You were saying something about the commoner, law group Zoom meeting last night, and they were talking about the exact same thing.
[02:26:27] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. I will, I will send, I will send the information on that.
[02:26:37] Unknown:
So a lot of this, involves ten ninety nine a and ten ninety nine b and ten ninety nine c. And it does involve your, legal fiction, and it does involve that account that nobody wants to talk about on the main channel. And if you go to the IRS website and you pull down the ten ninety nine A, B and C forms, the ten ninety nine is where they steal, they acquire your property. The ten ninety nine C is where you discharge their claim. And then the ten ninety nine b is what you hand back to them and tell them you stole my property. Give this back to me. And there's an IRS form 14,039, which is, called identity theft that you can file with the Federal Trade Commission, the FTC and claim that the IRS stolen your identity by signing your name to these, forms. And you can also file a complaint with the SEC that they're practicing a securities without a securities license by issuing those bonds. And all you gotta do is get the CUSIP number for proof that they issued a bond.
[02:27:44] Unknown:
Great. Okay. Let me see.
[02:27:49] Unknown:
I am not Now let me tell you now let me preface that with something. They know that we're catching on to this stuff. And now my understanding is that when you go to court or you ask the clerk of the court, what's the CUSIP number in this case? They'll say, I don't know what you're talking about. My understanding now is that they're changing who handles these and who issues them to confuse them just like they are our treasury direct account and I've had many conversations with Sherry about this. You know, it used to be just the treasury account in DC, now they moved it down to Puerto Rico, a second one they opened up down in Puerto Rico, because of jurisdiction down there. It makes it almost impossible for us to get our hands on that account down there.
So you gotta go through my May I, Julie,
[02:28:33] Unknown:
to correct the definition under, 31 c f r three six three point six? The definition of a minor includes someone who has reached the age of majority, Sam, but has yet to take control of the securities in their minor account. Yeah. Well, I've never heard of it. People over 18
[02:28:55] Unknown:
under 31 CFR. And I know Yeah. And listen to what Sherry said. The word she didn't say security. She said securities, plural. You got so many bonds that they've issued on you. If you get a passport, you got a bond. If You opened up a bank account, they got a bond. If you, got a driver's license, they did a bond. They've they've stolen so much from that account. And that's unlimited credit, by the way. Every federal reserve note that you're carrying around in your wallet has a series of digits on it. That's people's Social Security, numbers on the back of their Social Security card. Those those Federal Reserve notes are backed by your yours and my labor. Question. Fiat currency.
[02:29:34] Unknown:
WestJet. Sam, what does your email address start with?
[02:29:39] Unknown:
My my email address?
[02:29:41] Unknown:
What does it start with? I'm sure I've sent you an email before. I just gotta pull you out of my contact list.
[02:29:48] Unknown:
B c global dot net, but I have another one too. I may have used that one. There's, like, three that I have. Spanopolis,pasinPeter,apple,Nancy,ocean,Peter,ocean,utica,Larry,ocean,[email protected].
[02:30:11] Unknown:
Say that again, Sam?
[02:30:13] Unknown:
Flowey? S as in Sam, Peter, apple, Nancy, ocean, Peter, ocean, Utica, Larry, ocean, Sam.
[02:30:25] Unknown:
You're gonna have to go slower than that.
[02:30:28] Unknown:
Oh my god. My ex wife wanted something long and hard. That's my last name. Yeah. Yeah. No. P o. Yes. S. S as in Sam, p as in Peter, apple is a as in apple, n as in Nancy, o as in ocean, p as in Peter. Got this concrete.
[02:30:50] Unknown:
Do you have a tractor or something to unload it?
[02:30:56] Unknown:
Where the hell is that?
[02:31:00] Unknown:
No. We're from Chicago. We talk fast. Yeah.
[02:31:04] Unknown:
Stop. Okay. Did you did you get it or no?
[02:31:08] Unknown:
No. No. Start again. The concrete guy came in. Okay. Guys, focus.
[02:31:14] Unknown:
I have a problem with it myself. S as in Sam, p as in Peter, a as in apple, n as in Nancy, o as in ocean, p as in Peter, o as in ocean,
[02:31:26] Unknown:
u as in Utica, l as in Larry Wait wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's [email protected]. S b c as in bravo or p c as in papa? Bravo bravo. Yeah. Sarah by serving. B c s p c what?
[02:31:58] Unknown:
Global? Okay. S p c global dot net. Let me send you, Paul. I'm gonna send you my email. Okay? See if I could do this. No.
[02:32:05] Unknown:
No. No. Don't do that. Hold on. I hold on. Don't do it. Don't do it. Okay.
[02:32:10] Unknown:
Here we go. You don't want me to send you an email?
[02:32:13] Unknown:
Here we go. It's, SierrapapaalphaNovemberOscarpapaOscarunionLimaOscarSierra@Sierrabravo, Charlie. Charlie. Golf Lima Oscar bravo alpha Lima dot net. Is that it? Global.net.
[02:32:46] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. That's it. Okay.
[02:32:52] Unknown:
Alright. I'm sending a a I'm, sending a email
[02:33:06] Unknown:
I can hear this. Wait.
[02:33:10] Unknown:
Oh, crap. I'm doing this as a forward, but I don't wanna forward the whole message.
[02:33:20] Unknown:
Only see if I can send you one voice.
[02:33:30] Unknown:
I'm gonna go to get that. Get that. And I'm gonna get that.
[02:33:39] Unknown:
So I can send you one.
[02:33:41] Unknown:
Going to delete those.
[02:33:45] Unknown:
Some people out there are just good at being able to hold an argument.
[02:33:52] Unknown:
Well Crap. You don't have a choice. Okay. No. Go ahead.
[02:34:13] Unknown:
I would, always like to mention the the tactic of using the abatement instead of going to court with them.
[02:34:23] Unknown:
Oh, man.
[02:34:26] Unknown:
Anyways,
[02:34:29] Unknown:
in India, abatement, it occurs to me something you could let them know if you want to let them know about the trust, etcetera. You could do it in there. I would make it a tailing thing. But one thing I think that they would take quite a bit of attention to would be as a state citizen, you would come under, in my opinion, Swift versus Tyson and not not, Erie Railroad versus Tompkins. Now if that ever went up into the higher courts, they would dismiss it because they don't wanna hear it. Because if that ever got out, they have some real problems.
Mhmm. And seeing they consider all of the, feudal slaves under their phony commercial system, When you're back under Swift versus Tyson, you are protected from that commercial system. So that's one of the things I think I would do. I yield.
[02:35:39] Unknown:
That's a good one. That sounds good. Hey, Paul.
[02:35:54] Unknown:
What year was that case, and has it been jeopardized?
[02:36:04] Unknown:
WFT v Tyson? Yeah. Which year? What what year was that?
[02:36:10] Unknown:
Yes. But it was over '45 here at Graham Road.
[02:36:14] Unknown:
E 1842. It it wasn't it was the law of the land for ninety years, And they overturned it because Thompson didn't have those protections even though he was asking for them because he was a feudal slave. He was a fourteenth amendment citizen.
[02:36:36] Unknown:
State the case again. That's Thompson versus
[02:36:38] Unknown:
Swift versus Tyson is the original case, and it was overturned in '38, I think, by Erie Railroad versus Tompkins.
[02:36:50] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Erie.
[02:36:51] Unknown:
Right. You'd have to go under state supreme court and, with your pre 1860 constitution, I guess, and say there's a writ of error here. Basically, the the money that the state is accepting is the incentive to turn us into federalized
[02:37:12] Unknown:
Yes. Of course.
[02:37:13] Unknown:
Folk.
[02:37:17] Unknown:
Payees to, and that's why everything in this country is commercial. Is it you can't do anything without a license, without permission. Right. It's all be all because of this case. If you wanna get a real good explanation of it and understand it the best, you gotta read Bros v Brossefice, USA, the republic, the house that nobody lives in. Nobody lived in that house is what he's saying when this guy went and argued protection from his state when in fact he wasn't a state citizen. He was a federal citizen. And that's also when prior to that, our district courts could also call up a jury.
So it's interesting stuff. I think it would it would put the fear of God in them because they're gonna dismiss something like this if you if they think that you know that you know and that you're willing to take it all the way.
[02:38:30] Unknown:
What should we have? We could
[02:38:32] Unknown:
we could name it, people, or John Doe or whatever, and then have a bunch of national sign out sign on to the case.
[02:38:42] Unknown:
That'd be fun. Yeah. Thanks, man.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Okay. I just sent, an email to Cheryl, Sherry, Julie, and Sam.
[02:38:53] Unknown:
K. Let me look.
[02:38:57] Unknown:
And and the abatements, we don't belong in so I don't think we belong in using their tax titles and codes. We should stick to what it was prior to these amendments, and that's gonna, I think, be otherwise, you're sort of playing in two sandboxes at the same time, the way I look at it. So I know that's not really a very popular view. People are always saying, well, use their system against them. I, I think you should just stay out of their system and abate it. You can put anything in that abatement you want.
[02:39:43] Unknown:
Yeah. You could stay out of it, but they pull you in. And when they pull you in, you gotta put their feet to the fire. That's it.
[02:39:51] Unknown:
Have you They can't they they can't proceed without you taking ownership of the name,
[02:39:57] Unknown:
I yield. That's usually part of the abatement. Is it is destroying that fictive fiction right there. Put it all in the abatement. You never go to court. You serve them. You wait certain amount of time. If they don't respond, you put them in default, and you can go to small claims and get a judgment.
[02:40:18] Unknown:
You know, you could abate really any bill that way too. Right? When you think about any invoice, basically, it's fraud on its face post 1860.
[02:40:32] Unknown:
Yeah. We'd we'd wanna be careful that we're not abusing it, I would think. I mean, if if you really wanna get a feel for this, you gotta read the book of the hundreds and what they have to say about it because they're sort of purist about it because it's very Christian, but it's very specific. And they tell you what you can and can't do in that abatement. And they certainly believe that you cannot bring into your argument anything from the system.
[02:41:08] Unknown:
Nullifies it.
[02:41:12] Unknown:
So May I?
[02:41:14] Unknown:
Yep. I'm going.
[02:41:19] Unknown:
Last night, Ed from Georgia, who was the one who called in and spoke with Roger last week regarding Daryl and Sandy and, you know, that other man. And, he had a two hour presentation on the Republic call last night, which I think would, benefit anybody to listen to that two hours of what he brought forward regarding the Administrative Procedures Act and, fiction fiction of law and maxims of law. And he also used the term George. So like I said, it's about a two hour presentation, but it's well worth the time to listen, and I yield.
[02:42:07] Unknown:
Thanks for that, Sherry. And I got your email. Thank you. I will listen to that. Just wanna make sure you're getting my emails. Okay?
[02:42:14] Unknown:
Oh, I am. Thank you, George. I appreciate you. And, it'd be silly just to send one back. I but just know I'm getting your emails. I appreciate you.
[02:42:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Because they have attachments, so you never know what kind of mind viruses, you know, we all might have.
[02:42:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Guys, that email that I sent, you for, at, in there is an MKV file. It is a two plus hour, recording of a Zoom call. And you need to and all of the, the other documents in the folder were the ones that were, put in the chat by the presenter. And there is also a text file of the sum total of all of the chat messages and information that were on the Zoom call. So you have everything at your disposal as though you were sitting there. So, pack a lunch and take the data, read it over. I think it'll be really interesting. That's it.
[02:43:29] Unknown:
Hey, Sam. Hey, Sam.
[02:43:32] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I'm still here as of right now.
[02:43:35] Unknown:
When you went in court, did the judge ask you, is your name Sam such and such and such?
[02:43:42] Unknown:
Did he ask you if that was your name? I didn't wanna answer I didn't wanna answer to that, so I said I'm here on special appearance. Okay. I didn't even say my name.
[02:43:51] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Okay. Thank you.
[02:43:54] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm just telling you how it worked for me. They have my I have my citizenship. They have my payment schedule. They have everything. So they can't deny. You know? I'm not gonna answer to what they want.
[02:44:08] Unknown:
You know?
[02:44:09] Unknown:
They can't deny that they didn't get it. I don't have a problem with them knowing. Because if you kinda hide that information, you know, they'll they'll do whatever they wanna do on to you. And it's like, no. No. This is where I'm at. This is who I am. Look. I'm I'm I'm I'm learning. So I don't I can't say that I know that much. It sounds like I do, but I just stand and answer the questions, and I don't I don't give them any authority over me. That's all I do. And that's very good. Do it.
[02:44:43] Unknown:
The only
[02:44:45] Unknown:
The only issue when you go to court is accounting. That's all they're doing. They're stealing the money, and they're issue and they're issuing a bid performance and payment bond in the courts. And so whether it's a traffic violation or if it's a permit violation, I know somebody who goes into the court and basically tells the judge I already know the Sixth Amendment nature of the accusation is not criminal and it's commercial. And you can tell the judge to just look at Title 27, Code of Federal Regulation 72.11, And you can print it out and send it and, and put it in front of the judge's face.
And it's, it's basically a revenue issue because of the big performance and payment bonds that they're issuing and signing, in your name. And, people need to know that statutory is not one of the four law form jurisdictions. So you know that the court is operating under vice admiralty, which means they have a ten ninety nine a open, in the court, or somewhere in their accounting system. And, they have what's called a PPL, which is title, 31 code of federal regulations two zero three. That's the Treasury tax and loan terminal, they actually have those actually in the courts themselves where they're, where they're opening, the bond, that the clerk of the court starts the case with.
And so, we we we need to get a hold of these minor accounts, and the common law custodian over all of our our, minor accounts is Attorney General of The United States, which would be Pam Bondi. There's gotta be a way somehow where we have to resend those because the judge and the prosecutor and the defender are the trustees in the court over that minor account. And if we seek hold of that minor account, then they they get in essence, we're firing them. Then we are no longer looked at upon as an incompetent, or a corporation when we are a legal fiction, I'll use that term instead, when we walk into their banks. I call them banks because they're not courts and they have to do the and then once you, once you do the accounting, over with the, securities, the CUSIP numbers and the ten ninety nine, the court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to continue. Because all they're doing is accounting.
[02:47:28] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:47:29] Unknown:
So the case, the case trustee, if you ever go to a sentencing, the case trustee is actually the judge. And he reads the charges into the criminal record. And then he finishes with, with, with the county. But again, you, they try to start you with, with criminal and end up invisible, so that they can and that's where they try to collect the damages from you. And then, Sherry and I discussed this before. There's supposed to be a J and C file, which is the judge's order and confinement, file. And, it's never signed if you ask for this. It's never signed because their fiduciary liability, to the defendant is is is is you who you were the beneficiary in these, case trust securities. If you ask for a copy of the JNC file from the clerk of the court, you'll discover that nobody signed it, which means that the defendant is in jail or prison voluntarily.
[02:48:45] Unknown:
Okay. Is Paul there?
[02:48:52] Unknown:
Wasn't it Scalise who said something like that, that all the prisoners are volunteers?
[02:48:57] Unknown:
Yeah. You are because, they never signed the JNC file, which is the judge's order in confinement. They can't because their fiduciary liable liability is to the defendant who is the beneficiary in the case trust securities, which is our minor account at TreasuryDirect.
[02:49:16] Unknown:
Okay. So wait. So here's let me let me ask a quick question. So if if someone came to you and said, look, you're going to, contract with me for me to put a roof on your house, and you said no. How could they proceed any further?
[02:49:33] Unknown:
Well, they're using their statute codes against you. That's what they're using. They're using all of their they're using what is it? The Administrative Procedures Act to try and force you into complying with that?
[02:49:50] Unknown:
Hold on now. Wait. Wait. Keep going. Keep going. So you're telling me that I can go. Okay. So can someone force you to contract with them?
[02:50:07] Unknown:
Well, a lot of people no. They can't they cannot. But a lot of people, don't know what to do in in in this case. And so,
[02:50:18] Unknown:
Wouldn't that wouldn't that go back to forced indentured servitude? You say no. No is no. You don't consent.
[02:50:26] Unknown:
No. I understand.
[02:50:28] Unknown:
Right. So then they they then it's a plea deal. So you you you you agree to the contract, then they plead the the the contract down, whatever they do. So if you don't get like Roger said, it was says the first sentence of the first page or the first paragraph is what they're telling you what they're gonna do. Just say no. Just say no. Right. It's like drugs. But I'm just telling you that if you get a, a a a letter in the mail, that you have to appear in court,
[02:50:56] Unknown:
There's, they are you're going to a bank. They're basically, you're going to a bank and they're trying to steal money from your TreasuryDirect
[02:51:06] Unknown:
minor account because you haven't Okay. You're going you're going to the bank. Hold on. You go into the bank. Can you show me the the contract, sir? You don't have a contract? I'm not gonna give you one. No. You're gonna contract with us. No. I'm not.
[02:51:23] Unknown:
I You're going to the bank. Right? Go ahead. Yeah. Everything is like you said, everything is contract. Everything is commerce. But when you ask for the contract, what you really need to do is ask for the bond and the $10.99 a and the CUSIP number.
[02:51:37] Unknown:
So then what you're saying is they say no. You have a contract with us, and you're saying I'm asking, let me see the contract.
[02:51:46] Unknown:
And they don't wanna show it to you. Is that correct? Well, they don't it's not really called the contract. I would ask for the bond. I'd ask for the CUSIP number for the bond, and I'd ask for the 1099 a, and they're gonna look at you. And I first would plead no appeal record to show the judge that, hey. No such record exists. I know you're operating under, everything is, the Commerce Clause. You're app you're, and and and the contract clause, and that's how they get out from under the Constitution. They do everything under the Commerce Clause. Everything is contract. Everything is, and you can look up a case, though. And I didn't read it yet, but somebody told me you could go to United States versus Lopez, where the government actually admits that they're operating under the commerce clause slash contract clause.
[02:52:32] Unknown:
It is really real quick. Like, when you go to prison, like you said, because they want the bomb. Okay? Like, when my son went to prison. But there was an injured party. So when That's different.
[02:52:48] Unknown:
Alright. That's all in my cell. That's different. So if you didn't I'm not sure I'm reading it right. Yeah. If you didn't, like, run over somebody with a vehicle or assault somebody or rape somebody or murder
[02:53:09] Unknown:
somebody.
[02:53:18] Unknown:
But I wanna tell you, that's the UCC. No?
[02:53:22] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what they use.
[02:53:24] Unknown:
Yeah. It's the UCC, Porto Poisto. That's Liberdad. I'm speaking Spanish to Bori. I have to practice. Sorry. Yes. It's UCC code. It's, what Roger says all the time. It's, law of merchant.
[02:53:44] Unknown:
This is Bruce. Hi, Bruce. This is if it's an offer in contract form, you can sign across that in three days, re return it to them. If you're not gonna be a party to that contract in three days, it's done. It's dead.
[02:54:01] Unknown:
Yep. You can do that too.
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Simple. You do it on Put a big ticket or whatever contract they got on they're trying to get on you.
[02:54:11] Unknown:
Put a big old whooping across the whole thing and sign in on dive, no blue ink, no contract, and put UCC1Dash308. Alright. Deserved.
[02:54:21] Unknown:
Yep. Thank you.
[02:54:23] Unknown:
Yep. But it has to be within seventy two hours.
[02:54:26] Unknown:
Can you do that for a water bill?
[02:54:29] Unknown:
I don't think so. I'm trying to figure out how to do I know everybody wants to do these bills of exchange and turn these, into, bills of exchange. But, what I have read is that it's unlawful for them to not accept these, but we're these people are operating lawlessly in our country. So, my understanding is that doesn't work anymore.
[02:54:52] Unknown:
Well, why couldn't you just go It does work. You have to do it correctly.
[02:54:58] Unknown:
Right.
[02:55:00] Unknown:
It works. It works. It works.
[02:55:02] Unknown:
Go ahead. Go ahead.
[02:55:05] Unknown:
I've done it plenty of times, but you have to do it correctly. And on top of that, just like one of the themes today was in, you know, stand your ground. Well, if you take it all the way, that's what you might have to do even up to small claims court, which, obviously, a lot of people don't wanna do, not because they're necessarily scared of it. It's okay. I don't have enough knowledge to stand on this or the cost or or this and that and how to handle court. But it also depends on where you send your notice. And keep in mind, when discharging stuff under the laws that we currently have or so called laws, you wanna go that route, You get to the point on your letter. No need to have a five, ten page letter. Some people have done it and still succeeded, but you understand mostly folks that you're sending it to, they wanna get to the point. What do you want done with the directions with your promissory note or your bills of exchange or your discharge?
And there used to be easier ways of doing it through the past twenty years. For example, accepted for value technically is still legal. The last big person that had done it was Donald Trump. If you have those documents done through his, maybe through his trustee because he he didn't write it on there. But whoever was filling out his UCC ones and stuff, it says right on right on right on it. And back about 02/1213, accepted for value was working like a charm. But as you know, because, oh, it's the slave system. They wanna keep us under wraps, so we can't have you getting free out of the encampment, if you will. So based on policy internal of, let's say, the water company or whoever, they're gonna change and say, oh, we can't accept this form of payment, or they'll sneak around with the terms on what payment is because some people will go to the next step and talk about speaking to payments. Well, well, that's great that you want this, but I don't understand what you want.
And you need to, you know, tell me what form of currency that you want. Because then they fall in the trap of the the species issue with, oh, we can't say this because there's no real coinage, out in out, out flowing up that we can actually use to pay, quote, unquote, the alleged amount that we owe. So it has to be discharged all day long. It's gotta be discharged. But for what you were saying, yeah, to an extent, some things don't work anymore only because some people want the easy way out of okay. One, two, three work period. I don't have to work for it. They don't really understand what the heck to do. But that's for another story. But I want to throw in there anybody who is online right now with the chat on a PC, pull up the chat window.
I put an example of a valid $10.99 a that a court filed, and you will have a look at the amount in the boxes. This one, I think, if I recall, it's from the superior court for 800 was 8, $8,000,000 or $800,000,000. And the outstanding amount, I believe, if I recall, was 8,000,000. But that's just one example. If you know how to get your paperwork from the IRS, you can get the copy that they have filed on your case. And then, of course, if you know how to use that, you can use that against them and put them in a nice corner where they're gonna wanna shut the case down because now you have the evidence in your hand regarding ten ninety nine a, b, c, so on and so forth, and maybe the OID if you get that.
And, obviously, like, the lady was talking about, okay. You need to correct this. They filed an a on you. Okay. Well, I need to negate that and charge back that amount, for example, if it's the $8,000,000,000. Charge it back to the account of source, which is your Social Security slash minor state account, and then you file a $10.99 barter because, okay, they wanted to barter with you. Well, okay, I'm bartering for the same amount. Basically, you gotta balance out the books on your end, and then you should be able to collect that $8,000,000,000 either on a ten forty one or a ten forty depending on which way you're going to claim it.
You're gonna claim it through an estate slash a trust. A ten forty one is what you need. If it's going through the quote, unquote Social Security number, straw man, it's a ten forty. But, you guys can have a look at it. Paul can probably bring it up for those who, are on the PC. If you're on the phone, there's no there's no way. I don't think you had to look at it unless you're in the app. Maybe it shows up in the app on your phone. Okay. I'll leave it at that.
[03:00:10] Unknown:
You you guys are talking about proceeding after something has been established, right, basically? But we don't we never wanna get to that point. Right? So I I think I mentioned this guy you guys, there's a a a Supreme Court case. It was called Munn, m u n n, versus Illinois. K? And, basically, it was saying that, the king of England, who was the lord of the manor and of his serfs, had full authority to run a grinding mill. And if you wanted to, as a serf, run your own, mill, you had to get a license from the king. K?
And I'm gonna read you guys a quick paragraph. It was also recognized in England by the ancient common law, certain privileges as belonging to the lord of the manner, which grew out of the state of the country, the condition of the people, and the relation existing between him and his tenants under the feudal system. That's what Roger always talks about, and he's right. Among these so what basically is a warehouse that was, running their business without a license. And when it gets down to it, I'll read I'll read the gist of it. It requires no comment to point out the radical difference between the cases between public mills and interest on money and that of a warehouse in Chicago.
No prerogative or privilege of the crown to establish warehouses was ever asserted at the common law. So, basically, the federal system has a right to regulate their federal employees and their businesses, but they have no authority over the common man, right, under common law. The business of the warehouse was that common law, a private business, and is so in its nature. It has no special privileges connected to it, nor did the law ever extend to it any greater protection that it extends to all other private businesses. No reason can be assigned to justify legislation interfering with the legitimate profits of that business that would not equally justify in intermeddling with the business of every man in the community so soon as to at least as his business became generally useful. In other words, if you don't get a license and you start running under common law, they don't have an authority. They could try to fight you. They could try to bring you in their courts, but they have no standing.
Unless you give them the authority to everything seems to say that Consent, consent, consent. These guys were were this was in '18, 1876, about eight years after The US citizenship came out. It was 8068 '16 About ten years. '6 1868. Right? Yeah. Eight years. That's all. I mean, he just he just gotta read this stuff, and and it tells you straight out. And if you're under their jurisdiction, you gotta get a license to do this, to do this. But because we're not US citizens or nationals, we have to consent to go into their businesses and then fight them in their courts. You know? I'm a look up this no, no, tell record, see if that's about.
[03:03:43] Unknown:
I'd like to make a comment about the the whole jurisdiction thing in the court thing. I've said it a couple times now by not claiming the name. I heard a recording on the Republic network a few months back, and I would urge everybody to go and listen to it by the gentleman's name, I think it was anyway, it was on the organic republic, and that's with the c k, network under additional recordings about claiming your name when you go into court. And I've actually used that process and had a a tremendous amount of success with it because I don't claim the name. I refuse to claim that all court's name if I walk into a courtroom, and there's ways to do it. And I would I would encourage everybody to listen to that recording. It was done on 05/15/2025.
It's not that long, but all this legal jargon, reading cases, having I mean, you gotta become a lawyer to really understand what's going on with legalese. And I don't fault anybody from doing that, but there's a tremendous amount of information that we have to learn. So when it comes to traffic or or any type of tickets, I've I've had a I've had a ticket at my property because I had overgrown weeds, and, I used some of the techniques that I heard on the Republic Network. And, man, it works like a charm. And, they start getting real nervous when you know things and you understand things.
So I'll yield on that.
[03:05:30] Unknown:
Okay. That's interesting.
[03:05:35] Unknown:
Gary.
[03:05:36] Unknown:
Yeah. I I certainly don't disagree with that statement. And there we got a a great example of that, a Randy Lee going into a district court. View, and, it was dismissed for false name. Stanford also has, in his abatement, his common law abatement, and he says that they have jurisdiction upon appearance. You don't even have to talk. You appear. He says they got jurisdiction. But in his abatement process, he's got a letter that he sends to the judge telling him telling the judge that he knows this. He understands this. He doesn't accept this, etcetera, etcetera.
It's a very elegant piece of writing work, and you might all wanna check that out. I yield.
[03:06:32] Unknown:
And where is that? Sam, can I ask?
[03:06:35] Unknown:
Say it again.
[03:06:40] Unknown:
Where did you find it?
[03:06:43] Unknown:
Did I sign it?
[03:06:46] Unknown:
It's it's it's in, I think it's in the matrix. It's, probably under abatements under Melvin Stanford. It's AD.
[03:07:01] Unknown:
Hey, Samuel.
[03:07:02] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:07:04] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Larry. Do you remember what Brett said one time about jurisdiction?
[03:07:11] Unknown:
Yeah. What did he say?
[03:07:14] Unknown:
He said that a judge like, you're saying that the mere fact that you appear, that that gives the court jurisdiction. That's only half true. So Brent said one time that the judge has jurisdiction to determine jurisdiction, and that's where you challenge the personal jurisdiction at that time. So I I would disagree with you and agree with you at the same time. So just keep that in mind.
[03:07:45] Unknown:
Well, like I said, Stamper, he's got a Juris Doctorate. So, and he wrote a book that's right in line with all our thinking here. He basically said, it's automatic upon appearance. Now, of course, you'd wanna object to it if you're there, but the best thing to to do is abate it and not enter court.
[03:08:09] Unknown:
Yeah. You keep going back to that, Samuel, and I do agree with that. You can shut it down even before you go to court. Even before you walk into the court, you can shut it down by the paperwork that they send you and what you send them back. First, you send them back. When the first notice you get for them, who are you? Try it. It works. Right. Who are you? You ask them that. They're gonna send it back. You're gonna get this and you're gonna get that. Who are you? It'll work Con it. Out of the court. Period.
[03:08:47] Unknown:
I agree.
[03:08:49] Unknown:
And
[03:08:51] Unknown:
You still certified
[03:08:53] Unknown:
or or what?
[03:08:57] Unknown:
Let the lady make her comment.
[03:08:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm just telling you guys that my understanding is that you don't have any legal standing in those courts until you've actually, taken over your minor account and that you need to revoke and re vest the legal title from The United States attorney general, that gives you legal standing. I yield.
[03:09:20] Unknown:
I would agree with that. But what I'm saying, Julie, is you don't enter their their court. You stay out of it. You serve you serve them on abatement. Tell them who you are, why this is bullshit. You know? And like I said, mention Swift versus Tyson. If anybody's gotta understand what that means, they don't wanna even come close to that. That that would bring them back to 1842, and that was put in the law to protect people for from commerce, and it stood for ninety years. That was one of those phony cases they were waiting to start and bring up so they could do what they wanted to do.
It was a setup case. And What also got rid of the jury at the district court level. Because until then, the those courts, those federal courts were still common law capable courts.
[03:10:28] Unknown:
What do they want? They want contract and consent. That's what they want. And that's usually what they get because we avoid would and we contract. They want you
[03:10:40] Unknown:
to agree to your whipping.
[03:10:42] Unknown:
That's correct. They want you to become the whipping boy or girl. That's what they want. Woman or man. That's what they want. And that's what they usually get because people talk.
[03:11:03] Unknown:
Who who was the, on Republic, radio, on 05/1525? What radio host was talking about the, this this process that we're talking about right now?
[03:11:29] Unknown:
So on the Republic calls let me look it up. If you go in onto the, and I'll I'll read it for you. The USA organic republic, and that's spelled with the ck,.com. So usaorganicrepublic.com. And you click on that web page, you go to the drop down bar, and you're gonna see a dish additional recording. There's a recording there. There's only two of them. It's the it's the bottom one. It was done on 05/1525. When I heard that guy clogged, the light bulb went off to me. And he was like most of us in this in this on these calls. You know, reading the case law and doing research and everything.
It's like, no. None of that makes any sense to me at this point. And it didn't at that point. And since then, the people who I have dealt with, I realized I owe nothing, not even my name.
[03:12:49] Unknown:
May I anything. Because I'm on the USA Organic Republic, and it's from 05/13, and it's Sandy from Texas. And, oh, they speak about the patent and trademarks.
[03:13:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm talking about the Ken
[03:13:10] Unknown:
Dost. I'm talking about the And that's where they patented and trademarked and streamlined the process with powers of attorney, but there is no 51525 call. I yield. Okay.
[03:13:28] Unknown:
So if you go if you go under the additional recordings, Jerry, you will see it. If you drop down the drop down menu and you see it, you will see it.
[03:13:47] Unknown:
Are you talking about,
[03:13:50] Unknown:
On Republic, Broadcasting Network site?
[03:13:55] Unknown:
Yes. USA Organic Republic. Okay. You pull that up. Open it up. You get that main page. The little two little lines there. Hit that little hit that. Open it up and and scroll down until you come to additional recording information. Open that link and click on the 515-2025. Listen to that recording. Listen to that guy. And I'm telling you, I I'm telling you all. I I I make the statement and I make this claim. I have used that, and I know for a fact that they cannot proceed without you claiming ownership of the name. Listen
[03:14:43] Unknown:
to what I just found what what you're speaking of. It is under additional recordings, and there is only two. Right. I'll listen and see if I can tell who it is. It's only it's 5 it's O5152025.
[03:14:58] Unknown:
That that's the one you wanna listen to. And I yield.
[03:15:07] Unknown:
So my understanding is that when you revoke legal title from the United States Attorney General, They actually cannot see you in court anymore, and that's what that's what gives you legal standing. The only time they you can be seen in court is if you harm somebody through assault, rape, murder and something like that where you've harmed somebody else. But, that's my understanding. I yield and thank you for that additional recording. I'm going to listen to it. Thank you very much.
[03:15:46] Unknown:
When, when you were mentioning, the Administrative Procedures Act, if you go on to RBN, you might still be able to find some, archive recordings of Ralph Winter Road. And, I have the uttermost respect for somebody that would would dig for twenty years down the, rabbit hole of the federal register because it makes it makes most people's eyes go cross eyed. But I think he summarized from what I can gather. I mean, he there's recordings that, back in 2010 and 2012 where he literally called the federal register and talked with Amy Bunk.
She was the head of the, attorney at the admin, at the federal register. And Ralph, asked her, a few questions that were really interesting, and they're they're out there somewhere. Hopefully, you can still find them on Republic Broadcasting under the archives. But one of the things that Ralph emphasized is he used to make the statement, we are being ruled by legal notice in the federal register at title 28 USC twenty seventy two. And if you if you go and look at that, it's talking about the Supreme Court and the and procedures. And one of the things that I had to go look at, and when I did look at it and I had to look at it a second time, it it it talks about, substantive
[03:17:49] Unknown:
rule.
[03:17:52] Unknown:
And if you if you connect that with the Administrative Procedures Act at title five, United States code at five five three, little b, c, and d, that is in it. That's the instructions that congress mandated with the Administrative Procedures Act of nineteen forty six forty seven that the agencies have to follow a strict process and proceedings to, put out statutes. And if they don't follow little b, c, and d by the law, that it has no force and effect. And, apparently, the only people that can hold these agencies responsible are We the People.
And Ralph had always emphasized, yeah. Right. It it took me four hours to find going down the rabbit hole for information, and and the public is doesn't have time to they're trying to make a living. They don't have time to be digging for all this information. But he had emphasized that little b, c, and d is by the numbers. Congress mandated it. The agencies have to do it by the numbers. And if they if they fail to do it by the numbers and it doesn't turn into a substantive rule, it has no force and effect to We The People. And Ralph is saying that he can't find anything in the federal register that that makes this the IRS lawful or legal.
So, and one of the other one of the other things that he he said was, at one CFR at 2143, whenever an agency does make a change and they're supposed to do this stuff by the numbers, they're supposed to make those changes behind the table of contents of their respective agencies, procedures. And they haven't most of these agencies, to my understanding, they they don't properly publish in the Thunder Register because we're supposed to go to regulations.gov and kinda watch the respective agencies and how they're going to, how they're gonna publish and follow the rules.
And, yeah, it's, it's it's, regulations.gov, and and there's this whole process of how you make notice and comment. But that's that's all in this little little, title five, five five three, little b, c, and d. And Roger Rogers, emphasizes, five five two, little a, little a, one. And that's where Roger goes to, when he's, referring to the administrative procedures at. But that APA, I I've heard lawyers, talk about that, the APA. And and the statement that they made is that it is an obscure law from the back in the, back in the forties or so that, basically, they were saying that they don't know anything about it, and they don't they they haven't referred to it. But that it's a congressional mandate, and it was something that, the Roosevelt administration when they created the Frankenstein monster of the federal register, all these agencies started to come out the quote abyss of hell and demanded and tried to tell congress what to do.
So Roosevelt got his, attorney general and and they came up with this Administrative Procedures Act to chain their Frankenstein monster, only to, you know, unchain it when they, wanted to enshane it to go and and terrorize the people down in the village. So, Ralph was always saying, use their rules, their laws against them, and it's in the Administrative Procedure Act. I yield.
[03:23:23] Unknown:
It's fine to use their rules against them. However, they change them all the time, and they don't follow them. Staying out of there you know, Ralph, bless his heart. He's a good man. Did a lot of good things, but he chased this rabbit all his life, not to much avail. He found out very late in life about what Roger's teaching. So I don't know if that's really what we need to do anymore. A lot of good people had good constitutional arguments. I've been in the patriot movement probably fifty years, but they didn't understand that they were feudal slaves. So they didn't have a constitutional argument.
Didn't mean their argument wasn't right.
[03:24:13] Unknown:
It meant they didn't have the ability to have standing to make the argument. Because they were US citizens, and that is what, five USC, dictates. It only applies to US citizens. And I will say again, the APA, Administrative Procedures Act, is in alignment with the constitution. So it runs concurrently, and by using that, that's how they shifted you into the mix of multiple jurisdictions. And, the constitution is no longer used in the courtroom. It's the UCC and, rules of civil and criminal procedure. I I'm telling you, Ed went into this last night, and it would behoove all of you all to to listen, as to the crux of the matter, and it's the APA.
[03:25:11] Unknown:
How do I find that, Sherry?
[03:25:14] Unknown:
On, USA organic republic c k. I put it in the chat, Joan.
[03:25:24] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Let me go look there.
[03:25:27] Unknown:
It has it has the website, and then just click on the top, recordings, and the drop down menu will say twenty twenty five. Click on that that and go all the way to the bottom, and it'll be the last one because it the call was last night.
[03:25:46] Unknown:
Thank you. You're welcome. Oh oh, Sherry. So is I'm gonna type in you oh, but okay. I know I'm gonna look in the chat, but in case sometimes I don't get the things in the chat. And so before you go and before I lose you, I wanted to make sure if I just had to, type it in myself, it would be usaorganicrepublic.something.com.
[03:26:12] Unknown:
But Republic is spelled with a k. Oh, I mean, I'm looking at R E P U B L I C K. Oh, okay. That was wonderful. And that was the spelling in the Johnson dictionary at the time of the the founding of our republic.
[03:26:31] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[03:26:34] Unknown:
Using their system to try to defeat them is gonna take you more time and money than I particularly care to spend, but there you go. I mean,
[03:26:45] Unknown:
just Ad charges, no no fee. Well right. But you know Sam or Samuel. I'm sorry. Samuel. When they issue a warrant and they come knocking at your door, what are you gonna do then?
[03:26:59] Unknown:
Because they don't acknowledge, the You obviously have read the book of the hundreds because it talks about that in there. Talks about all the Okay. Have you have you used for doing the abatement.
[03:27:09] Unknown:
Okay. Have have you known anybody who has used it and has been, effective, with the exception of, not Terry Lee, but the other Lee
[03:27:25] Unknown:
Well who went into group was successful in the nineties, whether whether it works today, I you know? Anyone currently. They had thousands of successful cases in the nineties. Okay.
[03:27:36] Unknown:
That's all I know. I don't know anything else. Have to see where the rapid trail started. Well,
[03:27:42] Unknown:
we have more authority to that abatement with the national status, I think, than they ever did.
[03:27:49] Unknown:
Well, that might be, but you may not be understanding what an abatement is and what you're putting forward unless you understand the terms and conditions
[03:27:59] Unknown:
of what you're what you're dealing with. Well, that's what they wrote a 300 page book for. These guys have put a tremendous amount of effort into a system that worked, got thousands of people off across the country at the time. I don't know why we refused to go there, especially for traffic. There's not a whole lot to lose. Be a good testing ground.
[03:28:55] Unknown:
By any by any means necessary, I agree. It's just just another quiver and, for the bow and arrow.
[03:29:28] Unknown:
You know, I was, busy earlier, but I wanted to chime in, when the lady, I believe, from Florida was talking. In my current, civil cases, you know, I'm finding that the courts just ignore you. They, you know, they they don't they don't, I mean, I know it's failure to do process, but they just when you like, trying to go get a QSIP number or go get a a whatever, you'll send in your request, and they just ignore it. You know? It's it's it's crazy, here in Kentucky. But they will just, you know, ignore like, I've had orders or or notices, and I've asked for the findings and facts and conclusions of law, and and they just ignore it. You can you can send them 10 of them. They just ignore it.
And then somebody else mentioned about, you know, filing with the attorney general. The attorney generals, they just try to justify, you know, like, well, he, you know, He, I'm sure he knows what he's doing even if it's wrong. He he knows what he's doing. You know? So I yield.
[03:30:49] Unknown:
That's when you say, okay. So you're willing to take the responsibility for his actions. They did the same thing to me.
[03:30:57] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. I I believe I heard that as well. So I'm good I'm glad that I'm hearing more of this on these calls because I tried to discuss my cases on the call when I first joined about a year ago, and I was kinda shut down and told that wasn't the purpose of the calls. So I would always save it for the after call, and I've I've gotten quite a bit of knowledge from the after calls for sure. But now it sounds like they've entertained it on main call, which is, awesome. I'd like to form a mastermind group with this because, or not a mastermind group, but a group because it sounds like you and this lady from Florida, myself, and several other people are going down that same path with different resistances or different obstacles.
So I may talk to Paul about I wrote down some people's names and seeing if we couldn't do a a meeting after the call or our own little conference call or Zoom meeting or something to help help each other. So and I yield.
[03:32:11] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right. We have that we have
[03:32:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry. That's a good idea because I have red light tickets and things like that to go through that my, husband had gotten, and he's got a lot of them. And now the fines are all the way up to, like, $268 in you know, here in Illinois. And I sent them, like, a letter, but it didn't it didn't work, and they still keep doing it. So now I'm learning more on how to, like, get out of that one.
[03:32:46] Unknown:
Right. Is this Julie? Arlington Heights.
[03:32:48] Unknown:
No. This is Mary.
[03:32:50] Unknown:
Mary. Okay. The reason I asked is Julie said a couple things today that, unfortunately, I'm I drive a truck. Y'all might have heard me. I didn't realize I wasn't muted when I pulled up to deliver some concrete. Oh. And I'm the I'm the guy that goes, where do you want your concrete? But, but, you know, Julie said some things today, and, unfortunately, I couldn't take the notes. But, we do learn from each other. With that, I yield go ahead, Mary. Finish your statement, please.
[03:33:24] Unknown:
Oh, no. I I I did. I agree with you. I mean, because these red light tickets, like, technically prove it was that you can't even see a picture. Yes. You could see the license plate. Yes. You could see whatever. But it's like, okay. How does a camera a camera can't tell you what they're not even they're not even real. It's a damn camera. I'm not who's gonna be paying these stupid fines? The same as the car thing.
[03:33:47] Unknown:
There is well, with the toll thing, I've been able to beat that. With the with with the camera thing, I don't have the case in front of me, but I know several people who have beat traffic, infractions because it it I don't remember if they did it under entrapment or what. If I find out, Mary, I'll be happy to let you know. But they beat the traffic infractions, because, it what you know, it was they did it, I think, under hearsay because there wasn't an actual per person to witness it. So and under the, and and again, I'm, you know, I'm I'm shooting from the hip here. On the toll thing, we have two bridges that were installed, and it's the biggest fraud ever here in Louisville, Kentucky.
You know, it took them $50,000,000 to build the bridge. By the time we pay it all back, it it was gonna end up being 250,000,000. Well, now they're saying 250,000,000 ain't enough because they're gonna end up doing repairs in five to seven years. So they're wanting to extend it. It's supposed to be five years of tolls, and then the tolls were gonna go away. Well, I wrote them a letter under the, you know, the right to travel, travel and and that that's what road taxes and whatever, pay for. And, you know, they still send me toll bills. And I every so often, I'll staple them all together and put one of those letters in there and mail it to them and, you know, they kinda erase it and start over.
So, I mean, I might have $40 in toll bills, then then I'll send I'm I'm I'll mail this letter with the with the toll bills, do not consent. And then, you know, it it it kinda zeroes it out, and then they they start over trying to continuously charge me. I yield.
[03:35:57] Unknown:
Oh, wow. Let me ask you what private corporations. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Pardon I yield. Pardon me? Do you have a driver's license or no?
[03:36:06] Unknown:
I have a commercial driver's license.
[03:36:09] Unknown:
So how do you get out of how do you get it off with traveling then?
[03:36:13] Unknown:
Well, let me okay. So that's a great question. So, commercially, I do pay all any and all tolls. Of course, I pass that on to my customer. But, as far as my personal vehicles, my motorcycle, my personal truck, my personal car, in that situation, I'm I'm just I'm I'm just traveling.
[03:36:37] Unknown:
Do you have plates on there?
[03:36:40] Unknown:
Yes. I do.
[03:36:42] Unknown:
So you have a government issued plate stating that you're a you're a public servant or an employee of the government?
[03:36:50] Unknown:
Correct.
[03:36:51] Unknown:
So then you're in their system?
[03:36:54] Unknown:
Right.
[03:36:56] Unknown:
So you can't argue their codes and ordinances and and regulations if you're abiding by or or contracted into their corporation.
[03:37:07] Unknown:
Well, I I agree with you. However, it has worked, and that's why I wanna make sure I'm clear that it's there's no guarantees if somebody else does it. And I'd have to even read what's all in that letter. I've I've written it so long ago, but it it it kinda oh, I know one of the other things. So our toll collection company is not a government agency. It's a private yes. That's another area where I was able to kinda say, you know, plea you know, I mean, you know, it's and and here's the odd thing. Like I say, it's the biggest fraud ever. It it's so convoluted. I if I tried to explain it to you, it won't make sense. But basically, the government put up the $50,000,000.
Then the then they do the toll thing and they they they instill the toll, which is a private company who takes your money, and then they only take this percentage of that to pay the loan with. So let's say the loan payment is a million a month. Well, you know, they collect 20,000,000 a month and they pay a million to the government, you know, to pay back this loan. So the toll company is keeping 19,000,000. And again, my numbers are probably not exactly right, but I wouldn't say they'd be they'd be too far off. I mean, the the number of what they paid to the loan and what they keep is staggering.
And, so somehow, I I think I I I the way the letter was written was that it it's a fraud, and I do not wish to contribute or be a part of the fraud. And and again, like I say, if they kept accumulating my tolls, they would be in the thousands. But,
[03:39:11] Unknown:
but, So the government hired this corporation to collect the funds? A private
[03:39:19] Unknown:
Right. Right. A private business. Right. And they do that a lot. I don't know if it was the Republic call last night or or, what what call I was on. It could have been Roger Sales. I'm I'm on about eight different calls depending give or take. And, one of them was talking about how most of your what you think is a government organization is private like the prisons, the IRS, the Federal Reserve. I mean, a lot of these things we think are government are really private and they hire an oh, and it they're the I think it was last night. I think it was last night because the guy was talking about a, like, a state highway worker.
It was actually hired as a subcontractor, but he's driving a government truck. So if he hits you with a dump truck and and you're seriously mangled up, they can't sue the government because the guy driving the truck was a private, or an independent contractor. I remember that part of it. But yes. So, anyways, that's a great question. And, again, I'd have to read the thing to remember how it's all worded. But like I said, they keep trying to come at me, but at least I feel like they zero it out. And in some respects, some people are not able to even get their license plates renewed if they don't pay their fines.
So if they got a thousand dollars in toll bills, they have to pay the thousand dollars to renew their license plates. And a lot of people have it. You know, they just drive with expired tax. But in my case, every time I go in, they never say anything to me about renewing it. Now if I had a legitimate and I know that somebody was doing this through the David Strait organization. If I could you know, I wish we had people who could devote the time to understand how to take your car out of the system, your vehicle out of the system. I know how to do it from the jump, and I know how to do it if you repurpose it.
Because I've actually done that before in a former automotive business I've had. But I don't know how if I could figure if I could figure out how to take it out of the system, I would do that with all my vehicles. Not my not my commercial vehicles, but my noncommercial vehicles.
[03:42:03] Unknown:
So you've been working do that with mhmm.
[03:42:08] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Couldn't you do that with okay. To commercialize and uncommercialize your vehicles, your private automobile. Wouldn't you have to get the salvage title? Because you can do a salvage title. You'd have to get a mechanic to say, okay. This is I I mean, if that's what I've heard, I'm not sure if it's true.
[03:42:26] Unknown:
I use it.
[03:42:28] Unknown:
No. You don't have you don't have to do that.
[03:42:31] Unknown:
You could do 28, USC 29.2. 28 USC 29.2. Remove yourself from the program. Oh,
[03:42:48] Unknown:
well Say that again. And just and that just says
[03:42:53] Unknown:
28 USC 29.2. And that removes you from the DMV? It removes you from the DMV.
[03:43:08] Unknown:
Nice. You are the vehicle. 28
[03:43:15] Unknown:
yes. 28 USC. 29, it may be 29.10.
[03:43:22] Unknown:
It is there.
[03:43:24] Unknown:
Or And that removes the vehicle? Let me re let me re let me redo say that. It's 28 CFR, 29.2, and through. CFR 28 CFR. 29 look at 28 CFR 29.1. It says owner withdraw from the program. That's a code of federal regulations twenty nine ten. Wow. Owner withdraw from the program. An owner may withdraw from the program at any time by completely removing the program decal and changing the license plate if necessary. The owner is also encouraged. You're encouraged. You don't have to do it, but you're encouraged to notify the participating agency, the DMV, in writing of such a withdrawal.
That's 28 CFR 29.1. Awesome.
[03:44:41] Unknown:
Say those again. Say that again. The 28 CFR, and then what's the 29? So you got 28 no. You the first one, you said 29 28. No. Alright. Scratch all that. 9.1. Oh oh, scratch all that. Okay. Wait. Let me get a new piece of paper. Sure. A new notepad. Go ahead.
[03:45:08] Unknown:
It's 28CFR29.1.
[03:45:20] Unknown:
Okay.
[03:45:22] Unknown:
That's the only withdrawal from the program. Right. Can I ask you a question? Program. Can I ask you a question? How do you how do you how do you do you bond yourself for insurance? You can you can bond you. If you can find an insurance and, Progressive, I think, will bond you. Will bond you. Because The United The United States Supreme Court in in, self I think it's self b rate said you don't have to have insurance. Well, yes. If you wanna an answer. Protect yourself. If you wanna protect yourself, go and find you an insurance company. So the insurance company that I dealt with with Allstate, they said if you didn't have a driver's license, they couldn't insure you.
But I did bond myself. Okay? I didn't bond the vehicles. So you can get a 2,000,000 umbrella, it's called, for, like, $234. And it all costs me insurance code. You can bond yourself. Well, that's what I did. I mean, an umbrella. Right. Is that what you said? You don't need Austin. You don't you don't need progressive. You don't need, travelers. You don't need none of that insurance. You can bond you can get your own bond on your own property on your own person, your own bond. Yes. And that would cover it, of course. Yeah. So it also helps with litigation. Should you get sued, they pay money out too. That's through Allstate.
That's what I've learned. Right. But, again, I'm still don't know enough about that that that driver's license, which is good. That's what I'm looking for. How would you use that for banks? Would you just use your passport then for your bank identification? Yes. Okay. Okay. Let me ask you this. You said passport is the highest form of identification a person can have. Those most bank, they don't wanna accept the passport. Oh my god. Businesses don't wanna I I'm just saying.
[03:47:33] Unknown:
But Alright. You just saying. Somebody mentioned $238
[03:47:37] Unknown:
for a bond. Is that a year? Is that a month? No. That's a year. So Oh, wow. You see? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really cool. I I was shocked. It's Zumbrella is, let's say, you had homeowner's insurance and then let's say the cost some whatever happened, you could be bankrupt. Right? So for 230 some dollars, you get a a million or $2,000,000 umbrella that covers it past your homeowner's insurance and whatnot. And it also, like I said, he he mentioned to me, it also covers litigation. If someone goes to sue you, they'll cover that. Oh. It's just like a protection.
[03:48:15] Unknown:
Sweet. That is great knowledge.
[03:48:18] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:48:19] Unknown:
To the lady who was asking the question about, what I knew before, I believe it's mister Garcia just spoke up, which I'm excited that I'd like to look into that more. The best that I knew to get a vehicle out of the system was you sent a notice to the DMV or Department of Transportation, letting them know that you wanna remove the the vehicle, and then you requested what they call an MSO number, which when your vehicle is made Yep. It it it comes with an MSO number. What happens is the dealerships or whatever end up turning in your, MSO number for a, a a certificate of title, by the way. You don't even own your vehicle. It's a certificate of title. And then, and then from that point on, you're you're you're you're now in the system. So, to the best of my knowledge prior to what I've learned today, which is amazing, I was I if if and when I went to do it, that was the system I was gonna use. Now I used to have an automotive business where we took a car and we would customize it into another type of a car.
And we would end up taking let's say, you we took an Infiniti q 45 q 35 or g 35, and all we would have left is the rolling chassis. Sometimes we wouldn't even use the power plant. And then we built a fiberglass body around it, and it became a a a whole different car. In fact, if you ever wanna see one, go on suicide squad. It was the joker's car in suicide squad. But we were they were called Vadors, v a d o r. Anyways, my point being is is that,
[03:50:26] Unknown:
we, talking about this the MSO number.
[03:50:30] Unknown:
Right. So what we would do is when we got done, that car was no longer, an Infiniti. And and, you know, it it it you know, we no longer, use the VIN number. And so we would apply, and and they would send us an MSO number for that vehicle. Now I didn't know what I know now because we were dumb when we built one of those cars and I could like, let's say you had us build one. We built one for Shaquille O'Neal. Well, when you get done building that car, we got the, I give you the MSO number, and and my and my and my and my suggestion was to go to go register your car. Now I know totally now I know totally different. I would never ever do that. But So when you receive that MSO number,
[03:51:28] Unknown:
they would have no jurisdiction. They couldn't touch that vehicle because when you register it, you give the authority away. So they can never touch that right. Okay. And and so I used to also own a motorcycle dealership.
[03:51:42] Unknown:
And believe it or not, every motorcycle we got in and, again, this is before I you know, if I knew then what I know now, we would get these motorcycles in, and, it was an Indian motorcycle, and, we would get these motorcycles in. They came with the MSO number. And immediately, every Wednesday, I would go down with the new inventory and register. Like, I'm Okay. You know, I it you have no like, you ever see that guy who hits his head and said I coulda had a VA? Yep. Yep. Yep. I would've never your name? Paul.
[03:52:24] Unknown:
Paul. Paul. Okay. Paul, let me ask you something. How do you get the MSO number from the DMV?
[03:52:31] Unknown:
I need to go I you gotta give me a little bit because it's been forever since we've done that. But Okay. We we we we sent a notice. And, again, this is before I'm even a part of all these groups like the organic republic and whatever. This is back when I was just Joe Lunchbox. And, Okay. Okay. So the more I hear about this, the more I'm like, what an idiot I was. But, but what we would do is, we would we and and I'm gonna I'm gonna call to find out because I didn't really handle a lot of that back in the day. But, what we would do is we would file some kind of a form, and I need to find out what it is because, you know, we would we would turn in the old information. Hey. We took this rolling chassis, and let's say it was a g 35 Infiniti.
And we just use the mainframe of the body, and we we, you know because even though we may use the same upholstery, we reupholstered it. You know, if we use the same power plant, we rebuilt it. We put superchargers on it. That kind of thing. Whatever we did, you know, and a lot of times, we didn't use the same power plant. The guy wanted a Right. A big a bigger motor or or or something or, go from a five speed to a six speed. Yeah. Yeah. You can't do that. Done Mhmm. Yeah. So when we got done, we would turn in the old information and say we request an MSO number, and I can't remember how long it took. It took three days, could took three weeks. We would get the MSO number of the car, and then we would put that with all with all we would put that with all our documentation.
And when we delivered the car, the the customer picked up the car. We we would tell them to go register. We wouldn't even register it for them, you know, like we do with the motorcycles.
[03:54:35] Unknown:
We wouldn't register it for them. Right. The manufacturer's statement of origin is what that is. That's correct. Yes. Right. So that is basically and this was told to me, it's the birth certificate.
[03:54:48] Unknown:
It's the original birth certificate. Right. Absolutely. That's what they did on the line. If if if you if you have the luxury to buy a new vehicle and order it or catch the vehicle before it gets to the dealership, you can demand that The statement not register it, and you can request the MSO.
[03:55:11] Unknown:
Right. Right. That's yeah. You buy a brand new one. But how do you get it for your vehicles
[03:55:16] Unknown:
that you already have? You don't know yet. I I have to go back. That's been years ago, and, I'd have to go back and and and and check the process. We might have done what what the gentleman just said a few minutes ago and used that 29 CFR. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Will find out. And give me, you know, give me a little time, and I'll find out. And I'll mention it on the main call, and then we can discuss it after the call. Well, this is where they get us We did that multiple times. I mean, we built forty forty plus of those cars.
So it wasn't like we just did it one time.
[03:55:54] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And every time they would send you an MSO and you would sit there and register, it's a legal document for new vehicles similar to a birth certificate showing its origin and information for registration. Correct. Yeah. And that's what it says. Yeah. So okay. So I'm gonna have to call my DMV and see what the deal is.
[03:56:16] Unknown:
And you know what? I'll bet you because, like I said, I was not part of any of these groups, and I didn't know what I didn't know. I'll bet you this guy, that worked with us, I'll bet you he just called the DMV or the Department of Transportation or someone and new. You know? What what what, you know, what form to fill out and, you know, how the process works and all that stuff.
[03:56:45] Unknown:
Well, a lot of people don't I don't know. A lot of people don't know. Don't. Absolutely. That's why we you know, they wanna keep us working, our heads down, and don't ask questions. They don't want people to join together and have a group of ideas that can be exchanged. You see what I'm saying? And here Yes. You've offered something that's very important to me. And I've been I I was trying to get past this first, and I was gonna hit that next. There's another guy in Texas. Can't think of his name. I got some of his stuff, though, and it's really David Strait, maybe? No. Not David Strait. He he wears that hat. You think of his name.
Anyways, he was he put a regular plate that said don't tread on me and was Oh, yeah. I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah. What's his name? I got I got all of his information, actually. Let me see if I could find him for traveling. So, Rick Rick Martin. That's it. Rick Martin. Yeah. I know Rick Martin.
[03:57:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, you know him? You talk to him? I mean, not personally. I mean, we've Rick and I have had many conversations.
[03:57:50] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. So he's in Austin, Texas, right, or something?
[03:57:53] Unknown:
Well He's in The last time I knew, he was traveling about. But either way, it doesn't matter.
[03:57:59] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. So you talked to him. Alright. So he would have been able to help you through that too. You know? I take one step at a time. He has, like, a notice. As soon as you get pulled over, basically, he's like, here. I'm giving you you've been noticed. And I I like that. Because right away, they're trying to contract you. Well, here's the contract guy who wanna contract. And that kinda stops him right there in the tracks. But they continue on, and then, you know, he he he has all his documents. Miranda, Miller, Snyder versus Cullen, Chicago Coach Motor, versus Chicago, all of them. And and and he explains how people are motor vehicle means, conveyance, propelling drawn by mechanical power for use for commercial purposes on highways and transportation of passengers and passengers in prod property.
So there's a difference between traveler the term traveler is usually construed to broad general okay. That sounded oh, so as to include all those who rightfully use the highway vivatically when being reimbursed for expenses and who occasionally to pass over them for purposes of business convenience of pleasure. Fabulous. One who passes from place to place for whether for pleasure, instruction, business, or health. So you have a right to life living for too soon and happiness. You can still do business. You don't have to do commerce, which is something that's making tax. Right. Okay.
[03:59:25] Unknown:
I can't get the right one here, but go on. I wanna throw I wanna throw something out there again, and this is gonna be my new mission statement. So I've been very fortunate to be a part of a lot of opportunities in life. And, you know, I I don't agree with everyone, but there's certain things I've heard from, you know, David Strait that I agree with. There's certain things I've heard from Ann Yvonne Wright. You know, there's certain things from Roger Sales. And, and I often thought, you know, like, why are we not really making America great? We're making it better. We're we might even be making it good. But there's a book called From Good to Great, you know, and it talks about, you know, the guy who plays golf professionally, the guy who goes home with the $200,000 purse, and the guy home that goes home with the 10 $2,000,000 purse doesn't have to be 10 times better.
He might win by one stroke. You know? But I often thought, you know, my skill that I really bring to the table is my opportunity to work with a lot of different venues and a lot of different people who like celebrity type status. And I I've said this before, and I get the deer in the headlight look every time. The only person that that actually took me a little serious was the David Strait team, and it's unfortunate he got very ill and passed away. But I could take this thing nationwide and blow it out of the water to to explain to people what their rights are. Now I would need people to hand them off to once they say, well, gee. I want my car out of the system. Well, I would need to have somebody. I could say, well, you need to call Joe or you need to call Sandy, to, you know, to help you with that or or whatever. You know? And, but I would need to start a GoFundMe page, and it sounds like a lot of money. But for what would be accomplished in this world, it would be peanuts, but it would take about $5,000,000.
[04:01:46] Unknown:
But I'm just telling you, I could be out there Wait. Wait. Wait. How about this? I got a better idea. Why don't you do this? Why don't you go ahead and implement it? Get it to work. Then you could say here, here is a template.
[04:01:58] Unknown:
Get what I'm saying? Well, it because at the moment, I'm so strapped down with my business, I couldn't just walk away and go do that and survive. But you are right. I could do it on a more minimal basis, but the problem with the minimal basis, it doesn't really get the job done. It's kinda like if I came over to your house with a with a a small toaster oven, and I try to impress you with what this pizza place I wanna build. That you're not gonna get the same feeling
[04:02:32] Unknown:
as if you walk in and you hear the Italian music and, you know, you you see the guy back there throwing it in the air and, you know, all that stuff. So Okay. Well, well, well, but yeah. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. If you walked into the pizza place, which we don't no longer own, and you said, hey. I want you to try I want you to try this one little pizza, and it was dynamite. And I said, guy, I want the recipe. Well, you know what? Here's the template for it, but I want a piece of the action. Fair enough. No big deal. Right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Something. You can't sit there and go, oh, well, this this. Just do it. Once you do it, I think Joe Lustig went through it. Right? Well well, the two things
[04:03:12] Unknown:
the the the two things that's a little bit challenging is, one, like I say, leaving what I got to go do something different. But number two, we need a we need a support structure. You know, if I go out there this weekend to, motorcycle rally or a state fair, and I go ahead and spend the 800 or thousand dollars to rent the booth, and and I staff it all weekend, and I talk to people. And I get now 500 people that want more information. Where do I send them to?
[04:03:44] Unknown:
Okay. But you don't have a template. No. You don't have to send them anywhere. But you know this you know what you're telling me? You're basically reminding me the story of Esther. Okay? You have the knowledge to do something. You know, don't think that someone else won't take that on. You get what I'm saying? So you sit there and yell, who am I gonna send them to? You send them to yourself. Say, okay. Look. You know, whatever. I think every anybody be more than happy. If you said to me, hey, Sam. For a $100, this is what you do. This is the code. This is this. This is this. And go for it. And when you get done with it, send me a $100. If it doesn't work, you don't owe me nothing.
Right? And you're gonna tell me that, you know, that that could create so much wealth for you if that's what you're looking for. You know what I'm saying? Eventually
[04:04:27] Unknown:
eventually, it could. Initially, it wouldn't. And at the moment, I'm not willing to take that risk.
[04:04:36] Unknown:
You know? Okay. So I am You know? But,
[04:04:40] Unknown:
but, I mean, my background with the different places I worked and people I've worked with, it could be huge if if we could get the movement moving. You know? Absolutely. I don't wanna get out. I I guess, to be honest with you, Sam, and I don't know how long you've been involved or you've got great knowledge, but the thing about No. No. No. I was messed up. I I was no. I went through Well, but but but the thing about it is what I'm finding, and you'll find too, and you you would've heard it on the call about a week ago. And and it again, I I'm not taking sides. I don't have a dog in the fight. But the challenge is is there's probably hundreds, if not thousands, of these groups out there, and none of them can seem to get along with each other.
None of them can seem to agree to disagree. And so for me to go risk my whole world to save the country and not have any support or backup, I I just can't do that. Now if somebody said, hey. I'm willing
[04:05:48] Unknown:
No. No. Let me say something before you go on. And I'm gonna tell you this how it works. I pray I pray for the forgiveness of the mayor, and he's gone after me for years. He can't never he could never Oh, I understand. And and I'll tell you why I do that. Because God put him to do that to me because I was doing good. I have no problem. Point is Yeah. If if this not doesn't concern you, you don't put too much attention to it. Right? And he's gonna bring the right people to do whatever he needs to be get done. And as he's brought here for a reason. Everybody's brought here for a reason. Everybody has something to contribute. And that's where you have to stay like yourself. Everybody has to kinda get along. It's like, okay. Whatever. I don't care how you you don't like the guy's hair or or the way she looks. I don't give a shit. The point stay on point. Let's let's get this done, and let's move on. Let's help somebody. Help yourself and help somebody else. And and and I just agree. Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more because, like I said, when I brought up almost the same thing that this lady did today that got so much attention,
[04:06:50] Unknown:
I was kinda shunned and, like, hey. Don't come on our call talking about that stuff. Our call's about this, and this is what we do. And then I I heard somebody chime in, and so I brought it up again. And I got kinda my hand slapped even a little harder. And I'm like, woah. I'm sorry. So from then on, I I didn't bring anything up on the call. And like you said, now there's a little door opening about it, you know, which is good. And I even kept buddy. Set this up. I even kept my conversate I even kept my conversation to a minimum today just for that reason.
You know? But, I'm actually It's the boss. You're you're right. But but it's great because I did get people to help me like mister Garcia and Bruce or is that reliable? I'm gonna get me the way I am right now right now. This is Bruce. Please take my call, please.
[04:07:52] Unknown:
Roger doesn't Roger doesn't, get anybody to pay him for his information. And you're on agree. Then you're on his call. Okay? Get your own well, get your own call, and you're driving everything you want to. But you're invalidating Roger's
[04:08:08] Unknown:
honor. Right. No. I agree. I'm just saying, if he was to do this on his own, that's what I'm saying. He didn't wanna do that.
[04:08:17] Unknown:
I wouldn't charge anybody for knowledge. I didn't I wouldn't charge anybody either. I wouldn't either. I agree.
[04:08:23] Unknown:
Okay. 100%.
[04:08:24] Unknown:
So I'm telling you right now, you need to leave. If you're gonna talk about money, go to your own call and do what you gotta do. You know?
[04:08:32] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's not where I was going with it. So I I listen. I'm I occupy the for free. I don't really care. I I'd love the freedom. I'd love the freedom that Roger gave everybody.
[04:08:47] Unknown:
Okay. Guys? Guys, excuse me a second. Before this completely devolves into a knockdown drag out, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the, the program down. Bruce, if you could mute yourself, you're causing a wicked echo back, please. Bruce, mute yourself. Thank you very much. This has been The Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com, Global Voice Radio Network, and rumble.globalvoiceradio.net. First hour is also on the net family of broadcast services. There's a bunch of links there. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. That is thematrixdocs.com.
Thank you so much for joining us. You can catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, if not a little longer. Holy cow. We've gone over four hours today. Working on yeah. Yeah. Heading for five, so I definitely think it's time to take it down. I'm Paul from Global Voice. Thanks for being here. We can't wait to see you back here again. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[04:10:23] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Alvin, Alvin, Alvin, so did we. We're gonna try again today here on the October to see if we can maybe alter the trajectory slightly. Radio Ranch, Roger Sales, your host, the fake juice slayer right here. And at this point in the program, the early part, we bring mister Paul out to give, thanks and kudos to all the folks that help us around here. I think we got some today.
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We have a full contingent.
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A full contingent of helpers. That's good. Identify them, please, Paul.
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I will do that. We have WDRN productions, Fort Collins, Colorado with us. They bring us, one zero six point nine WVOU FM Chicago, homenetwork.tv, freedomnation.tv, go live tv, and stream life.tube, and it's part of the Net family of broadcast services. We're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to Paul English, our buddy. Crap the drink. We're on eurofolkradio.com, and let me have to adjust something quite quickly here. We're on eurofolkradio.com thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. And the, the streams through Global Voice are radio.globalvoiceradio.net and, rumble.globalvoiceradio.net because we're also on Rumble. Rumble was the only stream that was actually up and live until very literally moments before we started.
Pod home is now up, GVN is now up, and so is Eurofolks. So No groovy. And then we got a full Everything. Engine today. Thank you.
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Phone.
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Tons of stuff. Our our website, thematrixstocks.com, that's where you'll find links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. Holy smoke. What
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what, what technical hiccups for a Wednesday? Must be hump day. Must be I don't know. I was listening to Corsa. I listened to Brianna and and enjoyed looking at her. She's a very lovely woman. She's only about five foot two, she just said this morning. So she's a little cute, little shorty. And, they went out this morning a few minutes ago too. And I thought with the problems they're having, you know, they've, had the bankruptcy judge, opened the gate for them to get seized. And so yesterday, the new receiver, who's evidently a nice guy, came in. They were in the studio yesterday, in some chairs watching, watching the show, Alex's show go on. And, then, he went off the air to go talk to him. And, they've got the paper signed, and they've in the hands of the new receiver so they could shut it down at any time. I thought that's what they did this morning because it went off for a little bit on the live feed. And I thought, well, they picked the next day to short, but they came back on, so they're not. It'll be, not off yet. It'll be interesting to see with the, the history of this court case, if that's what you could call it. It was a just a damn ambush.
And all their fighting, 10 times they've, kept them at bay, and now it's time, for something to happen. So we'll just wait and see. I thought it was this morning. It wasn't, and it came back on. So that's good. About an hour ago, Paul, about an hour ago, when James Comey turned himself in, I wish they would yeah. Yeah. Him and his wife is with him. I wish they would have done to him what they did to Roger Stone, you know, when that that morning do you remember that? Did you see clips of it? Right? That 29 FBI agents had boats in the canal behind his house, his inflatables.
They all had automatic weapons and everything. They bust in there at 04:30, 05:00 in the morning, drag him out in the front yard in his underwear. His wife has cancer at the time. You know, cancer just thrives on stress. And, so, anyway, I wish they had done that to Comey, but, you know, our side doesn't go after these guys like that. But you can see from the other side in these commie Jew and fake Jew bastards that pulled this off, and I was thinking just as we went on the air. Does the name Andrew Wiseman register with you at all, Paul? Andrew Andy Wiseman?
No. He is a real heinous Jew bastard attorney there in DC. He's worked in and out of the federal government. I guarantee you that scene with Roger Stone, Andrew Weisman dreamed that up and executed him. This is a really bad guy. I mean, he is as bad as there are in that nest of Jew lawyers. He was the guy that screwed up the Enron case. Had the Enron case over overturned and all that. That was Andrew Weisman. But he is a real slimy piece of crap. I think they're going after him. I heard his name in some of the lists of people that were investigating. Boy, he, they need to take to investigate him and throw his ass.
They need to throw his ass so deep he can't get kosher food. Paul, that's how deep they need to throw his ass. So, anyway, that I was thinking about this morning as we go on the air. Sheldon, you came on and said you had an answer to a question that I keep asking that I know the answer to, but I don't know the answer to. Is this something like that? Is you are you the answer man here today?
[00:06:47] Unknown:
No. I'm not by any means, but you always get asked and felons do your procedure, and they can. The only thing they need to do the only thing they need to do is type in one type out one piece of paper. The usual who, what, where, when, and why, you may attach documents in support of your position. I've helped a couple guys do this, and the only thing you do is you say, yes. On such and such date, I was adjudicated whatever. My sentence was completed, fulfilled, whatever, on what date? And you make you stand right there, and you make sure that document end and it doesn't need to be notarized.
You make sure that end your declaration get put in the passport application at the post office, and you're good to go. And it worked.
[00:07:45] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's very interesting. I had thought you know, this is an interesting question. You say I don't know the answer, but I do know the answer. Excuse me. Now hold on a second. You do. Yes. Well, let's look at it from a legal standpoint. When you committed those crimes, it's the same body, but it's a different legal personality. When when that those two people you've been helping now, they were citizens of The United States and had agreed to be so at that point. But now we're going back and we're getting out a different legal personality who may not have been guilty for those crimes, by the way, because they may have been, regulatory or or enforcement crimes that they wouldn't have been subject to if they were nationals. So there's all those lighter shades of gray in there. You know?
But when you file your affidavit, what you're doing is you're changing your legal personality. Now the way that they demonstrate legal personality and somebody brought it up the other day. They were reading something. We'd been talking about this, and they they went and got something to read. And it was talking about the fact that this comes from the Greek back when they would be, thespians, play actors. K? And they would do that by getting on stage and whatever, purse, persona they were playing, they'd have a mask for it. And then they turn around and they change mask and they'd have another persona and they turn around and present that to the crowd. And that's basically a great analogy for your legal personality. Your legal personality is from where do you get it goes it goes back to our formula. Remember how much I stress that.
It's so important, because your legal personality is from where you get your rights and to whom do you owe your duties. I'd love to know how often that's taught in the today's law schools. There's no way of knowing that, of course. But they try and keep all this information hidden, I think, and, what we've been able to glean. And, that's what the deal is. So when you're felons, they did this crime, they did their time, and they were under that other legal personality. Well, now they've changed to legal new legal personality. So let me ask you this, Sheldon.
Part of a felonious charge is that you can't own a gun. Can these guys own a gun? No?
[00:10:13] Unknown:
Yes. Actually, they can because they California, is that the third circuit or the ninth circuit? That happened two years ago. Okay. Well, then you remember two years ago, the ninth circuit made the decision that if it's a nonviolent action, you can own a firearm.
[00:10:31] Unknown:
Amazing that that decision would come out of that circuit, but, yes, I do vaguely remember that.
[00:10:37] Unknown:
Yeah. What's something else that's not amazing? I've been kinda just trying to keep tabs on that. And every time I use Yandex or an American search engine, I can't dig anything up on it. They aren't letting that out at all.
[00:10:53] Unknown:
There was another, and I and maybe I'm negligent. It was there was, what was it? Barnes was saying there was a real big second decision, second amendment decision recently. And I just can't remember what it was. I think it was up in Chicago area in the seventh circuit. I believe we touched on that with Mary a couple of weeks ago. But anyway, the point being is that once you file this affidavit for the general public, if you haven't been incarcerated or charged with stuff and convicted or plead or however you did it, whatever happened, you're changing legal personality. So in your new status, if they asked you on a questionnaire, Sheldon, have you ever been convicted of a felony? What would you say?
[00:11:43] Unknown:
Well, if it was me, I don't that'd be a toss-up. I'd Isn't it? Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. That's like going to Vegas. I don't know. I think I wanna go with, not full pockets. That's for sure.
[00:11:56] Unknown:
I would I would say that as you change legal personalities, it relieves you of that because that responsibility and dictation for you for your crime was in your other legal personality, wasn't it? That's not me. Correct me. I'm not that's not me anymore. I don't have those restrictions. So I don't know that these situations have ever been adjudicated, Sheldon. But I've thought about it over the years many times and and delve into this and ask those questions as you dig another layer deeper. So, yeah, it's very interesting. I'm glad you were able to help your, your your folks get free, get a passport and all that. And I my standing is you're a totally different person because now we're talking about the word person. Right? And it's got legal implications because that's a legal term.
So no. I'm sorry. I can own a gun. That was in my other personality, and I'm not that anymore. Bam. And, honestly, I don't know how they'd react to this. Be be interesting. Well, if somebody wants to take the time and effort to to to press the envelope on this, it'd be very interesting to get an answer. Sheldon, what's your comment?
[00:13:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I'll leave I'll sign off with one more question to you.
[00:13:13] Unknown:
That's how it's supposed to work? How many things do that? I'm done. Have a good morning. Now, man, I just don't know, Sheldon. These we don't and I'm not gonna encourage any of our, former felons to, go press the envelope on it. You know, they're trying to get their life back and hopefully get it straight and move forward, and that takes a lot of time and effort and money and all that stuff. So depends on the individual. So, anyway, thank you, Sheldon. That's a good way to start the program this morning. So, what did I know? Comey got thrown in.
Oh, I know what I heard this morning from Kash Patel. Woah, folks. Man, Kash Patel stated this morning, there's over a 110,000 gang members in Chicago. Foreign gangs. A 110,000. I don't know where he got his facts. Don't know where he got his figures, but that's a hell of a lot of gangs in your town. Yeah. K. It's probably concentrated concentrated in a pretty small area there on the South And Southwest Side. Is that mister Morgan there this morning, captain Morgan?
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Speaking. I got my leg up on the stool with my saber.
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Okay. I'll I'll have a glass here. Can I have a glass here, Ron, sitting on the side?
[00:14:41] Unknown:
You certainly can. Okay. On the house. Can let's further this thing, Sheldon, than you were discussing. Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? A US citizen actually have the status of an individual, I e. If you don't have all of your rights, if you don't have all of your, you know, the the I was just listening to one of Joe Lustica's, thirty minute, well, twenty minute, discourse on citizenship and what rights you actually do have under the, bill of rights because a lot of them are reserved to, you're you're you don't have access to them. Can you actually be an individual when you're saying, and I'm paraphrasing that an individual is one within whom rights and duties both, you you got you can't divide them. They're in the same place. That's not true when you're looking at a US citizen.
So you could say, for the sake of argument, that when these felons gain their new status, that that person was only born at that point. That legal person was only born upon the receipt of his full rights.
[00:16:03] Unknown:
I don't know if I totally agree with that, Bob, because an individual, if you'll notice in 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a there, the one we refer to so often, an income tax is owed by all individuals who are citizens of The United States or residents. So right there, that, that would kind of throw a little cloud on your theory.
[00:16:26] Unknown:
Well, they're using the term in that manner, but is it valid? Right.
[00:16:30] Unknown:
Well, well, no, because they're still individuals. Let's see. Their rights and their duties are in the same person. Now you get your rights as an in as, as an individual from the federal government under the fourteenth amendment and you owe them the correlative duties. Same. But I think you're still an individual. I think those are both still still contained in the same entity.
[00:16:56] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that makes sense when you look at it that way. Yeah. They're an individual of lesser status, but still an individual.
[00:17:04] Unknown:
And and what what he's alluding to oh, boy. You're holding Microsoft. It's got some message for me. Oh, no. I don't think I wanna mess with the OneDrive. Thank you. I love it when they interrupt me right in the middle of a point. Are we still? What'd I get? I got something on the screen. Okay. We're still You're still here. Okay. Well, Paul threw something on the screen that I didn't Anyway didn't do that.
[00:17:31] Unknown:
I didn't do that. Then maybe Microsoft did it. Well
[00:17:36] Unknown:
I'm innocent. Honest. I love these damn people. I yeah. Bob, I'm sorry. I forgot where I was. By individuals and whatnot. Individuals
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and 26 CFR, etcetera.
[00:17:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, still, even if you go through and you're the nonresident alien down there, you still get your rights from God now and you owe God your duties, but you're still an individual. So it, it, that's the way I look at it anyway.
[00:18:04] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:18:05] Unknown:
So so good good stab, though. I see where you're going. I see where you got off track there. But I I feel that when you file that affidavit, if you're a person in that situation, that you absolve all that. Oh, man. I'd love to hear some highfalutin' scotch or comment on that. I'll tell you what we ought to do. We ought to ask Brent about that.
[00:18:30] Unknown:
You could certainly make the argument that that legal entity is was only born upon his, that you you could say it was his advent when when he received, national status. Yes. Because that's certainly a new status and a new person.
[00:18:48] Unknown:
Don't forget the other person. Every time the they ever ask him, are you this person? That he more than likely answered yes and signed something. So he was agreeing with it out of the ignorance, of course, and fraud.
[00:19:00] Unknown:
Right. But,
[00:19:01] Unknown:
but, yeah, there's a line of demarcation. When you cross that, you take your frowny mask because I'm a slave, and you put on your smiley mask because I'm free. Hypokratos. Yes. Hypokratos. Hypokratos.
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No. Not hypokratos.
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Yeah. Under. And all that all that comes from Greek, thespian stuff. It's interesting how they portray the legal concepts in the in the Greek theater. Isn't it?
[00:19:33] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. I got Bruce.
[00:19:35] Unknown:
Okay. Well, hold on. There's mister Bruce. Bruce, you got your sword real sharp there, buddy? You got your sword sharp?
[00:19:43] Unknown:
Well, the point is the point is money sharp. What about We the People? Tell us about people.
[00:19:51] Unknown:
Well, Brent says that We the People says that's the militia. That's what Brent says.
[00:19:59] Unknown:
Well, we're fighting for our freedom.
[00:20:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, it wasn't it wasn't much of a fight. Once we got the rules straight, it's pretty damn easy. It's pretty ridiculous. It's ridiculously simple to get this scum off of your back.
[00:20:20] Unknown:
It's not uncontroversial.
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It's inexpensive. It's guaranteed. I guarantee you. I'll give you a triple your money back guarantee if you don't get free. Triple. No questions asked. No. We just we just want a lesson from you. That's all we want. The ride drive. Alright. Okay. Well, I'm gonna give you we're gonna give you guys a lesson Saturday night in Tiger Stadium.
[00:20:48] Unknown:
Oh, alright. Throwing down the gauntlet now. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:20:53] Unknown:
This is this is football year time of year. We talk trash, you know? So anyway, Bruce, throw down the gauntlet. We'll you'll get another shot at us Saturday. Okay? Bruce is real quiet. Yeah. Me and Clemson. Hey, Rob. Bruce sold it. What the hell happened to Clemson, Ben? They're like, they're going down the toilet, Clemson is. No. No. They they came back,
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this weekend.
[00:21:20] Unknown:
They they scored the opponent. You yeah. They just beat the Super Bowl coach Belichick.
[00:21:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Right.
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But the point is Okay. Well, we'll see. We'll be waiting for you Saturday night there with your cocks. Well, see, you know, you gotta understand we're tigers. You too. Bruce, did I ever tell you the story about, who was our great comedian in the South that died down there? Louis Grizard. You ever hear of Louis Grizard? Paul, do you ever hear of Louis Grizard?
[00:21:51] Unknown:
No.
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You kidding, man? He's even well, Louis Grizard was a sportswriter in the Atlanta area. He, went to the University of Georgia. He was a huge, Bulldog fan. Of course, in the old configuration, the Georgia had one really big early, rival, and that was South Carolina because they got a common border, and they recruit in each other's territory. So there's bragging rights. Every year. Recruiting rights. Every year. Right. I don't know if they played them this year or not. You know, next year, we're going to a nine game format. Just screwed everything we've ever known up almost. Regardless, Lewis, as a young man and as a sports writer over there in Athens, I heard him tell this story. Okay? I used to be on Johnny Carson all the time. Funny as hell. K? He used to have a bumper sticker that said, honk if you weren't married to Louis Grazard.
He had about eight wives. Oh, wow. So anyway, he goes he comes home when he's a undergrad there, and he's writing for the, for the Athens newspaper. And he tells his roommate, he said, I think I've got a headline that I can sneak past the editor that's gonna make history. And so they were playing the Gamecocks that weekend. And Georgia, this back in the sixties, had a, all American lineman and his name really, it's true. His name was Happy Dicks. Happy Dicks. I don't know what his parents had in mind when they named him, but that's what they named him. Okay. And so he was he was out for the game, and Georgia won.
And so on on Sunday, the the headline is dogs beat cocks with dicks out. And it got past the editor. It got past the editor. That's a true story now. That's a true story. Out there. Luis Gresard. Deserved that. He was, he was quite a guy. He was funny as hell. So, anyway, that was, I always remember that story. It's a great story. So, Bruce, what else did you have to say? I sidetracked you here when you came on. Oh, no. No. That's okay.
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I took my daughter, that I got first runner-up international model when she was, let's see. I think she was nine years old. And my wife had got tickets to the Clemson Carolina game.
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Oh, that's a big
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Yeah. And they were playing Nick Carolina. So me and my daughter went to the end zone seats, and my, wife and her and the youngest child went to the, you know, sideline seats. They were good seats. And I sat there and I said, look, Allison. This is what's gonna happen here. If you look around every now and then, you will see people fighting in the stands. They're not fighting against a a a Clemson fan. They're fighting their own, people. So we, we're sitting down, and I'm sitting down, on the right side. My wife my kid was sitting down the left side. Now here comes a a guy, a student, and I've, you know, grown.
And he comes down and tried to move me off my my number. And so I I bent over and tell the, his his, date that I don't know what your boyfriend is going after, but I don't wanna be a part of what he's what he's after. And and I think you need to straighten him out. She's she she elbowed him in the arm to quit. He never did it again. Okay. After the the halftime's, events, in the third quarter, people behind us oh, it was way up up to, stands. There was a woman just pounding a guy on the end of the bin the the, seats, and she was pounding the heck out of that. And the people around them was just cheering her on.
Really? And my my yeah. And and I said, stand up. You can see her right there going after her. I said, that's two Gamecocks fighting each other. There you go. That's how crazy they are.
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Uh-huh. Oh, I know. I know. People get all lubed up, man, and get those games and, get so it gets it gets funny. Part of the I mean, part of the fast movies in the panorama.
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But the but the thing was, people around started cheering for her. Yeah. And he couldn't get out of the seat to do anything about it.
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Yikes. Anyway,
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that's that's Carol. You're not you versus South Carolina.
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Okay. Did you come on to, and I'm sorry. I sidetracked you on the football thing. So, but did you have anything you wanted to add to our conversation, whatever it was about this changing status?
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Well, see, we are we're the people, not not the persons. We're the people.
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No. Okay. Well, according to Brent, that's not totally technically correct, but I get what you're saying.
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Yeah. We can go fight.
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No. No. I'm I'm too old to fight. We're fighting for free. I've already won. I've already won. I'm too old to fight. Maybe. Well Depends on the issue. Depends on the issue.
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The paperwork is good.
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There you go. Brent, I'm I'm mean I'm sorry. Bruce, let me ask here because I didn't. We launched off into this opening soliloquy here. If there's any new students in the audience, really, we're here
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for you. We're not here to talk about football as as much as we enjoy college football.
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We're not here to talk about other stuff. We're here to talk about you, really. Maybe you got a glimpse of that at the start. We're talking about changing statuses and getting free of the feds and all that stuff. And if there's any of you that are new that have somehow, oh, I don't know, through the grapevine or maybe your your best friend's been beating you up for years and you finally came around. Said I'll go stick my nose in over there. So, the show's for you. If you've got any questions, we'd love to hear from you this morning. So I should really, Paul, take a moment and just say we'll have a moment of silence to see if any new students in the audience wanna interrupt and ask a question or make a comment.
If you're if you fit that criteria, this is your time. Okay. I have Well, there's none of that. Alright. What else can we talk about? Pardon me, Paul?
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On the list, roll.
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Is there somebody rumbling around in the background trying to find a mute?
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To no. Say hello? This is me. This is me. Oh. I've got a question. Alright. Now and I'm I need all the, the taxation, taxation gurus and brain trust to Oh, my god. To poke up their ears. It's a tax question. It's a tax question. It is a tax question. It is specifically related to state taxes and a state that is insisting on collecting taxes that they say are owed due to, the sale of stocks by a national. So now, I don't know if the state was put if the state tax authority was put on notice that they were a national before, before they sold the the stock.
And I don't know, if that particular state, because it is a commonwealth, I don't know how that particular state's tax rules are written and if they base their state obligation based on your federal obligation.
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Are we talking about Kentucky or Pennsylvania?
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No. We're talking about Mass, Massachusetts. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. So, what, without without any names or any other details or anything like that, what basically, what's going on is the state tax authority is sending repeated, demand letters. They are piling fees upon fees upon fees on top of the original tax owed, and it's really getting out of hand. Now as far as I know, the person has not actually thrown the ball into their court to force them to come up with the actual Massachusetts state tax code that applies.
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Uh-huh. Has the person been corresponding with them throughout this, debacle?
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I don't know if they've actually answered every letter or if they've just been letting them pile up. I would hope that they have been answering every letter because every single one of them is a confirmatory writing. And, yes, I do believe, I I do believe that is the case, that they answer every letter. They're refusing to accept, their affidavit, their citizenship evidence, and they're just, basically trying to railroad them. And what I guess we would need to know is how to hit them where it hurts, how to hit them with irrefutable proof that the national does not owe that tax.
Whatever. Let's get the fray in here and and get suggestions from everyone. Well,
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it's difficult when they won't recognize, that they only owe Massachusetts state taxes if they owe federal taxes. And if you can't get their own regulations through them to follow their own regulations, I you know, outside of taking them to court, I would I would I would admit at, ask for an administrative appeal. Hold on a second. Yes. Just a second, please. I would I would, first thing I would say is ask them for, you know, and then what's my administrative appeal? And take it to the next level and see if you can get some adjudication that way.
But they're gonna have to know their stuff if they're gonna go into that type of a hearing. They're gonna have to know the regulations. They're gonna have to understand the tax system, the fact that they don't owe state if they don't owe federal, and all that kind of stuff. And you you better be sharp. Okay? That's what I'm gonna say. Julie, what have you got here?
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Did Paul say that this individual, purchased individual stocks?
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Well, what Paul's talking about sounds like to me is capital gains and not the correct taxation of stock dividends.
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I think Mark had said that August or August b, I can't remember which one it is. They said if you buy yourself individual stocks, if you just go to Fidelity and you buy Apple stock yourself and you have the capital gain on those
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or income on those, if those are taxable, those are part of the eight seventy one. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. You're talking about two different animals. Capital gains is when you buy it at 10 and sell it at 20. Dividends are the dividends that that stock and all stocks don't pay dividends. But if that pays dividends and you got a dollar dividend off the stock that year, you owe taxes on the dollar, not on the capital gains.
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Correct. Correct. So my question is if they just held on to it and got dividend income or if they because it was a dividend paying stock or if they sold it and got capital gains. My understanding is if they bought that stock individually, it's taxable under eight seventy one or eight seventy seven b. I can't remember which one.
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They liquidated in 2021. They bailed out of the, the stock market altogether.
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Well, if they bought individual affidavit?
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It doesn't matter if you filed your affidavit. If you bought individual stocks yourself and it's not part of a mutual fund, my understanding from Mark is that those are taxable,
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under the those two exceptions. Capital gains. Capital gains.
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Yeah. My understanding is those are taxable under eight seventy one or 77
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c. Could could be. That's not my understanding. I thought it was just on the proceeds of the of the stock, not the capital gains and point sale, but it may be. Listen, I'll be the very first to admit. The reason that I've been able to get here and free you guys is because I hated the frigging tax movement. I hated regulations. This stuff you can't decipher. It's so damn beat buried deep that you can't understand, and I just chose to walk away. That's why for the first ten years of this, we never even mentioned taxation.
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But very rarely why Mark explained this is because it's regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is,
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Okay. Well, I don't know. And and, Paul, I don't I I just don't know about the answer to the question. I don't know that we know, but we'll put it open. Anybody else who's got some ideas, I guess. Anybody else got any ideas on this? Is the tax only on on is it on gain, capital gain, or is it on dividends, or is it on both?
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Roger.
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Gary.
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Tell them to read the Buck Act. Even the states can only tax in what they call federal territories according to the Buck Act. So they're using the Buck Act they're using the Buck Act to tax people, states are.
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Okay. And they've made you a political subdivision so they can pull this little scam off.
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Exactly. Also, remember Yeah. Remember US citizens are residents of Washington DC. I don't care what geographical location you live in. That's right.
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They are the world.
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They are considered foreigners to the state.
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US citizens for many years were the only citizens in the world that got taxed on their worldwide income. There's been a couple other countries that have joined them. Uruguay is one of them now, but they're not exclusively that way anymore, but that's the way it used to be. And the reason is because they owned you.
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The person that's dealing with this, filed a national affidavit prior to bailing out of the stock market and had put the tax authority on notice with an affidavit, and they refused. Back in '21? Recognized. Yeah. Back in '21. They refused to recognize it.
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Well, you know, you could take, what you could do. One thing, if we get Mark back, I mentioned Paul. I'm getting a little worried about Mark. I sent him an IIM two or three days ago, and he hadn't even looked at it yet. That's pretty unusual. Judge Joy Julie, do you know anything about Mark's situation?
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Okay. Well, when I I text him I text him frequently, and I hear from him frequently, but I have not delved delved into the specifics of his parents. I just know that it's almost twenty four, seven around the clock care that they need right now. So he's just
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Don't forget. Right after you came on board, Mark was sick for about a month and a half or more. Pretty sick. He's in the hospital, I believe. So it may not just be the papers.
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I don't think Mark is sick right now, based on my text messages. Well, hey. We're missing we're missing one of our
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one of our colleagues that might could really add some light on your question, Paul. I cannot accept Do you want me to text them and I can't do the math. No. No. I no. I don't want you to mess with him, please. Let him do what he's gotta do. I'm just gonna tell you, I I this is not my area of expertise. I'll be the first one to tell you. I have some suspicions about this, but, evidently, I don't have concrete answers. And if I don't absolutely know the answer, I will tell you that I don't know. I'm not above that. Okay?
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So now would it
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who's that? There was a Geys. Yes. Who's Geys? This is Sam, Geys. Roger, Paul. How are you doing, Geys? Sam. No. No. It can't be Sam because he never comes around here anymore.
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Yeah. I've been busy. I've been busy.
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I think he's I heard he was out hanging. I heard he was hanging with the Trinidad down there in South Chicago.
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No. No. No. No. I I heard he was in a coma. I heard he was in a coma from lack of pizza.
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Oh my god. Well, there's a lot of rumors flying around, Sam.
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Okay. And I'm sorry about that, guys. I've been really busy. So I wanted to kinda update you guys on the statuses. Right? So, you guys I remember I was the last time I talked to you guys, I was going to court because they came at me with, some not getting a permit.
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So Yeah. Do you remember that at all or no? Okay. Sam, I don't think let me ask you. Have I when is the last time we talked? Six six, seven months ago?
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No. Probably about four months. About four months. Seems longer than that, man. We miss you. Yeah. I know. It does seem longer. I know. I didn't wanna say anything until this went through. And I'm a let you know that it does work, and then I beat the case. And I'm gonna tell you guys how I did it.
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Hey. Listen up, folks. It'd be get get the get get the check on the video here, Paul. We may have an actuality and a success story. Go ahead, Sam.
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Yeah. Okay. So, this is really dumb. They they went after me. I I did my I filed my, nationals I I I filed my political status. Right? I went through all that in 02/2023. I gave the city notice of it. I gave him a copy of it. I copied Paul's payment schedule, which I think is very important because he said you basically tell him, look, this is who I am. And if you, you know, you wanna contract with me, this is what's gonna cost you. Basically, when you screw with me, this is what it's gonna cost you. I'm still in the middle of payment now, but I'm gonna tell you how this works.
You have to put everything in place first, become a national, and then you give them up a payment schedule. This is what I am this is how much it cost you. Plain and simple. They came at me saying I didn't get a permit. So I went I sent them a letter saying I'm not contracting with you. They overridged that, and you should always go to court. They adjudicated over me. So I went back there and said, I went to the next court date. Actually, I missed one, but whatever. Then I went to the next one, and they reheard the case, which was stupid on their part. But even if I'd gone right away to hear the case, I stood on, violation of rights.
I I challenge your jurisdiction. This is I challenge your jurisdiction. I wanna know how you have authority over me. That's what you're gonna have to prove first before we can go. They always try to do when I say why I'm sick as hell.
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Sam, let me interrupt you for the students, just for new new folks. You stand on personum jurisdiction. There's two types of jurisdiction, subject matter and personum. Now the judge that Sam's in front of here would have subject matter jurisdiction because he's got jurisdiction over that part of Chicago. K? But he doesn't have personum jurisdiction on Sam, personal. And that's what, even though he might not have have articulated it that way, that's what he's saying. So I just wanted to anybody that might be confused, these are, well, these are areas that just need fine lines of demarcation occasionally. Sorry to interrupt, Sam. Please go ahead.
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No. No. No. Good. Good. You're good. So here's there's another point I'm gonna make about that because I was thinking about that like you are, Roger, I think. So when I went in there, I said, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. Right away when you go into court, they always say, how do you plead? But wait a minute. Plead what? Don't you have to be convicted to plead? And they always tell you to raise your hand, which I never do. I fold my arms. I shake my head no. And then when they walked up there, they said, you you know, how do you plead? I says, plead what? I says, I wanna know how you have authority over me. I just told you I'm a national. I'm not part of your corporation, period.
I'm not a US citizen. I'm not subject to your rules. But, Roger, to to your point earlier, in persona, so property cannot own property. And because I own myself, I own my property. Okay? So that's subject matter on top of it. But I also I went ahead and did a land patent on my property. I put it on notice and all that. But anything that if if I own myself, anything I own, I own. Yeah. Sam, you have been busy. Yeah. They don't have jurisdiction over me or my property. It's like a slave. In 1868, they took the slaves away from the South, and they took possession of them. Congress created the US citizen. Well, when when the slave had babies in 1860, 1860 prior to the war, the the landowner the the the the plantation owner, he owned those babies along with his wife. Sure did. That's right. But because yeah. Right. Now once you get possession of yourself, you own everything you have. Anything that's income, that's the same way with the income.
They own you because you're their you're their slave. Yeah. Okay. It does work. But here's what I'm gonna tell you. This is where it really worked great. So I went in front of I I went to the Hundred And Third District in in Bridgeview. I paid the $401. I stood in front of the guy, and he basically said because they they violated my rights. And I said you know, because he started talking about this and that, and I says, well, I have a land patent. And he goes, what about the fire department? I says, okay, judge. You wanna get into that extreme? We'll talk about it. He goes, no. No. No. No. We're only here on one in other words, it's it's the hearing. They only can talk about one thing. Issue. Issue. Violating your rights. You have a right to say, hey.
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Yeah. Go ahead. You you paid for it to get in front of him. They got one issue, and that's what they wanna, talk about and adjudicate.
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Right. They cannot talk about anything else, which is fine. But it was really it was really odd that he said that. He goes, what about the fire department? I'm like, wait a minute. I just but anyways, to make a long story short, he, he he he, he judged in my favor that he did violate my rights. You know, they never for you. People don't understand. They give you a citation. Basically, they say you're already guilty. No. No. Prove to me that I'm guilty. Okay. Yeah. So then, I I got a phone call from the lawyer, nice guy, and that you know, I they didn't like him at first, but as I talk to him, everybody's people. You know? So Yep. He calls me up, like, after he they lose in court, and he goes, you know, and it was a $750 fine.
Right? And he goes, you know, the village would will, will accept $75. He goes and and just, you know, let this all go. I said, Jess, how are the kids doing? He says, fine. I says, you're telling me you want me to to admit guilt, give you $75, right, and and walk away from a $1,500,000 lawsuit? Because because of Paul's, payment schedule, that's 5,000 a minute. And I have a post of signs on my property, which they took pictures of when they gave me these citations. So they cannot say that they didn't see it. Didn't know. They weren't notified.
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Yeah. You can't say they weren't put get put on notice. They saw it.
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Well, here's this. Here's the better part. When I did my my my citizenship, my my national status papers, and I sent them in, you have to you have to have the clerk stamp them. I also gave them, copies of not going on the property. It's gonna cost you a $150. Whatever. I don't care if I get 10¢. If it's a win, it's a win. You know what I'm saying? That's not the point. The point is don't be afraid of these people. Don't admit anything. Yeah. Let them God bless you. That you're wrong.
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And confront them. See? Now Sam is a lesson for the audience, a teaching moment here. Sam and his two sons, they came on couple of years ago and asked a bunch of questions and hung out for a while. And, they own a pizza place. Dad's retired, and Sam picked it up pretty good, pretty quick as you can tell. He knows his stuff. He is his personality that he can be belligerent, And by golly, he has been, and you walked out the other side unscathed and victorious. Congratulations, Sam.
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Well, there's one other point I wanted to give you guys. So this is this is kind of another important point. When they come at you, okay, you've gotta stand your ground and there's this beautiful, beautiful code. So because they work for us, we don't work for them. Okay? They said, look, we're gonna give you a constitution. We'll work for you, Sam, Roger. We'll work for you. And if, you know, if we we violate your rights, here's here's how you can punish us. And there's a really good one. It's called 18 USC fifteen eighty nine.
Now that one there on the third paragraph clearly states, if they go to force it's called force indentured servitude. If they don't if they try to force you legally, they're looking at a twenty year prison term. And you put that in those papers. You say, this is what we're gonna do, guys. You you you promised you just took an oath to this constitution that you're gonna that constitution's for them. It's not for me. That's for them. Yeah. That's that. Yeah. That's they're restrictions. Exactly. Why not god giving rights? I ain't getting nothing from the government. Oh, no. You're supposed to your only job is to protect it. The tenth amendment clearly states that.
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Your Sam, when you said that my rights. That's Yeah. That code USC you just quoted was 18? That's correct. 18 USC
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one five eight nine. Fourth indenture servitude.
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Wow. And I'm gonna make this Now that's a Yeah. That's the criminal code. You can't bring an action on there. The I can't authority now. You you can you can bring an action under 18. I thought only government could bring criminal charges. You can bring civil charges, not criminal. Well, they violated my rights. Okay? Okay. Yeah. So you come back. Okay. Alright. You come back and do a title 42. No. You can't do a title 42 because that's citizen of The United States. Well okay. But here's what I'm trying to say. Alright. Well, let's see what you're planning on. Just one. What are you planning on? I
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okay. Well, here's what I'm gonna do. Now I'm gonna file a lawsuit against them. Right? Because k. That'll be civil. Told that they had to well, look. You said about the the felonies. Right? You you just talked about felonies. But those are criminal charges, and the state brings criminal charges.
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If you're going to go after them right now because you're not the state, you can go after them civilly, but not criminally. Go ahead.
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Why can I not use their own codes against them?
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Because that's only for criminals. For then that means the state brings those charges. You're going after them and you're trying to use those charges, but they're criminal because they're in title 18. But you can sue them civilly. I'm not sure on what grounds, but that's how you can go after them. Yours will be civil. Okay. If they come after you, like, hold on, Sam. Sam. Oh, woah. Woah. Even when you sign a traffic ticket on the side of the road, that's criminal.
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Okay. So, again, I won so far. I haven't gotten like, so I said, I haven't gotten to this point. Okay. So then here's the deal. I could civilly charge them for six hours of my time.
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Yeah. You probably can. I'm not saying you can't. I'm just saying it won't be under criminal charges.
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Well, Alan,
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you as a individual can't go file and throw them in jail.
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Alan standing by.
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Okay. Well, there's Allen. Allen?
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Okay. Here's the As a civilian or anything that is not an official, you cannot submit to the CBI
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example. It would be the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. You can submit to federal. They can't obstruct that, but the
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official. How to get around that in court? It is not only against my civil rights, but it is a prohibition of the government in accordance to title 18 and under criminal court rule four. That's criminal court rule four. You ask the judge to refer that either to the state investigative offices or to the federal investigative offices as a criminal act as it had been described and, probable cause that a criminal act had occurred as of 51% confidence, which is civil court, okay, and that it should be referred. Now, criminal court rule four, you cannot yourself place those charges. However, it is a mandate by the judge to actually enforce that and issue a warrant. So you can basically
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appeal to the judge to have them enforce it on their own official. Right? Based on your complaint, based on your evidence, yes. Alright. Well, good luck there. You know? But that is a way to do it. I'm just trying to make the differentiation. I hear people come on here and quote title 18. You can't directly affect title 18. You can do it indirectly evidently, but not directly.
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Well, title 18 is the 90%, and title 42 is the 41%.
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Yeah. Of course. We don't want 42. A lawsuit,
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you have everything in order to establish your fifth excuse me, 51% confidence that that that that actually happened. Reasonable, you know, expectation that that happened. In the criminal, it has to be 90% confidence in order to prove someone guilty. However, the, criteria to show articulable reason is in the 51%. As soon as you achieve the 51%, you've already achieved the, reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime had also been committed at 51%.
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So that those are your percentages and how they fall. Alright. Let let's back out of this real complex stuff. We're losing audience. Let's just go back to this No. That's very important. Well, I know it's important to you, Sam, but other people, there's eyes glaze over. Okay? I'm glad we covered it. I want the I don't know. Just just hold on. Sam, Merca, hold on. I was trying to differentiate that we cannot bring title 18 criminal charges. People seem to think that you can. Evidently, Courtney Gallon, you can indirectly under certain circumstances.
So that's the point I was trying to make. I didn't wanna get us off this deep in the weeds. Okay? Thank you, Alan, for your adding.
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Murca Alan, thank you very much, dude. That was you. There you go. From Sam. Murca?
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Roger, you I mean, I I need to double check that about the court, but I believe that we can put it on our preemptive notices as a reminder to them that there is a code.
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Okay. You can put it in there on on notices Yeah. Those stuff, but you can't formally enforce it. Okay? Yeah. And then I'm gonna double check that and then Alright. Well, no. I promise you, MRCA, you cannot bring criminal charges. You can't go arrest a bureaucrat and throw him in jail. They're not gonna rule on it. You can't do that.
[00:55:33] Unknown:
Right. So as a private individual, I see things a little different. So I I would have to research that and double check that. I understand what you're saying. But as a punitive notice as a lawful legal notice to the to the, you know, public servants, we can use it on there so that they can see Okay. This is what they're doing and they can be held liable. Okay. Well, I guess, let me ask you this. What about a citizen's arrest? Do we deal are those still legit?
[00:56:02] Unknown:
I know, Todd Valentine, the calendar said that because those people didn't have an oath of office on file, none of the bushel people did, you could go up on the street and arrest them. That's a You can still do that. You could do that. But you under you need to understand what you're doing. Alright. Well, let's get back to Sam's story here. I'm sorry to interrupt. I don't make that differentiation. No. No. I'm As I tell the people here, any one of these issues, you can get off in the weeds for hours talking about them. Now our audience is not all attuned to that, so we try at least get it and keep it digestible where it doesn't get overbearing and people's eyes glaze over and they go to hell with this and leave. That's what we're trying to do. The reason the reason I brought that up is
[00:56:54] Unknown:
okay. Thank you. Thank you, Roger. The reason I brought that up is because I don't want people to be afraid of of dealing with these people. They're just people like you and me. But once you know a little bit of what what the truth is, they will back down. They'll keep pushing until you you you stand your ground. That's all you gotta do. Just just stand there. It didn't cost me much. Oh, I just fall just pay it. It was only this one. No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Don't be afraid of these people. I'm I'm I wanna I wanna recite this code. Okay. Even if the officials what you what people don't understand is, well, okay. You can refer these criminal cases to whoever, like the attorney general, which I dealt with, and he says, oh, I don't find anything wrong. Okay. So he could he could shit you like that. You know what I'm saying? Again, I'm I'm I'm in the middle of this. I just won, like, three weeks ago. Okay? Cool. And I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna go after these guys. But here's what it says, 18 USC fifteen eighty nine. Whoever whoever knowingly provides or obtains the labor or service of a person by any one of or any combination of the following means. So that's first of all, they're they're forcing you by means of forced threat, physical restraint, threat of physical restraint of to that person or the person, that's one. By means of serious harm, threat of serious harm to that person or another, that's two. And number three, this is where I get in. By means of abuse or threatened abuse of law or legal process. Now they violated that that code.
They violated my rights, period. I don't know how many people are in Chicago.
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Everybody hold on.
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Hang on.
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Neighbors in Chicago
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goodbye. Tell me Yes. Here in a second. One zero six point nine WBOU FM Chicago. Thank you for being with us for the first hour. Go to the matrixstocks.com to follow us into the second hour and continue this riveting conversation. One zero six point nine WVOU FM, shooting the pulse of Chicago. We love you. Ciao. Roger. Thank you, guys.
[00:59:00] Unknown:
Holy smokes. Oh, now Larry wants to get in here. Sam's talking, then it was Alan, and then, we Well, we had a break. We got a break. We gotta pause. You have something substantive to add here, Larry?
[00:59:15] Unknown:
Well, yeah, just a quick comment. Sam's wondering how he can go after him, and I've read plenty of court cases. And here's how you do it. You have to go to a federal court, and it's gonna be a civil matter, and you're gonna file a lawsuit against them in their official and or private capacity. That's how that works.
[00:59:37] Unknown:
Federal court. Okay.
[00:59:40] Unknown:
That's what Larry just said. Let's go on to where we're we're gonna have to do the top of the hour there. Sam, you were talking. I think it was Alan that was trying to inject something.
[00:59:51] Unknown:
Yeah. And before we get too far away from it, I need to cover it. But now we have two that out of one. First of all, has anyone got an answer for how does a police officer arrest you without a warrant? It's real simple. The police officer arrests you based on a citizen's arrest, but he also has the authority of that arrest. You have that authority of arrest as well. It's the same, elements as a official arrest as a, civil arrest or a private arrest. Okay? You immediately have to turn that over to example, you know, the authorities, etcetera, so forth, along with your affidavit and stuff like that. Now whether or not they choose in order to hold them is another subject.
But a police officer is making a civilian or a civil arrest every time he gives you a ticket, pulls you over, does not have a warrant. So that's exactly what it is, a citizen's arrest. There's no other authority for it. There's only two things, two ways in order to take property away from you. One is to commandeer it. The other one is to have a warrant for it. Okay? And third, what was, that guy saying about the, okay. In a criminal court, you take this into the criminal court. You say your claim under 42, but then you mention title 18 that is also a prohibition of these title 18 acts, and that that is criminal and that you refer that to the judge in order to be taken care of through the channels.
But, your arrest power is two places. It's in civilian arrest Okay. Or civil arrest, and the other Okay. Is directly, embodied by the court itself. You don't have a recording, location other than the court. They have eliminated the police department, the CBI. Sometimes the FBI won't even take your, report depending on this topic. But in court, you are,
[01:02:01] Unknown:
I mean, just as powerful as they are. You just have to know how to how to word it. I yield. Thank you, Alan. You wanna go ahead with your story, Sam? I don't know if you can remember where you were.
[01:02:13] Unknown:
No. That that was basically it. And then No. You said you're
[01:02:17] Unknown:
alright. You said you're only halfway through this at this point, but you've already been victorious. Did I hear you that correctly? Victorious.
[01:02:25] Unknown:
Well, yes. I I won the case against them. They tried to force me to do something. And like I said, when I found this 1589, I clearly stated that in court. I said, this is they're in clear violation of this, their own codes, their own codes, which is and the beauty part of this one code, which I really like, is, the punishment. And, it's twenty years in prison. I don't care. You wanna play this game? It says, whoever violates this section shall be fined under this title in prison not more than twenty years or both. Let them know the truth. Look. You wanna do this? You wanna play this game? This is what you're looking to do. I don't care. I don't
[01:03:03] Unknown:
They love to threaten you. Time for this. Hey, Josh. Love to threaten you saying What was that,
[01:03:09] Unknown:
a last time,
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title of the book.
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And read it, and then follow-up with his synopsis.
[01:03:32] Unknown:
Okay. 18 USC 1589. US code unannotated title 18. Crimes and criminal criminal procedures, forced labor. So, basically, here's the best way I could explain it, and I don't wanna offend anybody. But let's say I was with a girl, and she said, you know, I said, let's have sex. And she said, no. She didn't consent, and I forced myself. That's the same thing. They're forcing you to do something. They can't do that. They have to have consent. When you go into court and you say, I do not consent to this. I challenge jurisdiction. You're not gonna judge me. I want 12 of my peers to judge me. You're you're accusing me of crime. I I need the injured party. The person's coming at me. I don't care if it's it's a village inspector, whatever. You need this. I need to see the damage. I need to face this person face to face, and I want 12 people to they're not gonna do that. They don't wanna waste time. They wanna get the money and run. That's what they do.
You you fight them on the littlest thing. Oh, another quick point. I was doing work again at the house, and he drove by and waved at me as I was doing stuff with the bulldozer. Wouldn't even come here, and I I waved them in because I was gonna tell him, dude, you better get a good lawyer because I'm gonna sue the shit out of you. I was gonna basically tell him that, but he just took off. He waved and took off. He's like, he sees me. I don't care, dude. The house is right there. Look all you want. You're not coming on the property. You're not I'm not your slave. People need to know this. I know they they they force this bullshit on your brain. Oh, you better do this. What? For what reason?
You know, Sam Remember the point I made earlier? You know, I'll end with this. The back in the day, they would tell me I had to cut my grass, which I did anyways. But, oh, if it's over 10 inches, we're gonna cut it. I said, buddy, if you stand on my property, get on my property, I'll sue I'll get arrested for trespassing. And they say, oh, it's it's an ordinance. I says, for who? For the village. I says, I don't work for the village. Oh, you have to do it. I says, you're gonna tell me I gotta go out, buy a lawnmower with my money, take a year, an hour out of my time that God has given me not to work for you, and to cut the grass because you don't like the way it looks?
That doesn't make sense to me, guy.
[01:05:50] Unknown:
I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if I don't do it. Yeah. Go ahead. Wow. That's it. I'm done. For for Sam, and I wanna tell the audience. Hold on, Merkel. Hold on for you. Yeah. Launch into this. You haven't sent me that email, by the way. Before we launch into this, I tell the audience that once you learn this material, you become empowered. Do you think Sam's empowered? Oh, yeah. Does it sound like he's empowered to you? That's what this information can do for the person that, first of all, recognizes it. Second of all, makes the information yours where it's part of you. It's your freedom. That's what you wanted. And if so, these are the results that you too can achieve. Merkel?
[01:06:43] Unknown:
Yep. Roger. Okay. So, I was gonna say, like, I like how, you know, I I appreciate that we can put our you know, their codes to show them that they are doing something wrong and put it on our notices or lawful legal notices to them, a reminder, or even the court, you know, when you're presenting your information. It's not that you're, you know, holding them liable yet. You're just warning them. You're doing this. You're dangling it. You're you're warning them. And and then also oh, yeah. And then I also was gonna say to Sam, you know, with that, you know, that employee that's walking you know, driving by, looking at him, kinda trying to intimidate him, he can probably do a restraining order.
And his neighbor is the one that, called the city and complained about him not doing something to his, you know, house and keeping it clean and tidy or whatever. You know, he's imposing his belief and opinion and thoughts on Sam. So there may be something that he can do about that too.
[01:07:56] Unknown:
Okay. So can I let me address that real quick? It wasn't it wasn't the neighbor. It wasn't that that's fine. I I hey, Myrka. How are you doing? So that wasn't the case. Good morning. What it was was it's the mayor who's a real asshole. Okay? But that's that's beyond the point. But here's where I'm getting at. Oh, you're mayor? You're a commie mayor? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's an asshole. He's screwed now, and I'll tell you why. You know, you say the code enforce no. I'm sorry. He works for somebody. I'm gonna make the complaint. He doesn't do it, then I'm gonna file a lawsuit against that person also. Once you start to put them in accountability, the higher up they are, they go, hey, man. Why would I why should I get screwed? Bury this guy. Get him out of here. You know what I'm saying? I don't I don't want to deal with this. Right? So if if, like, if I had a worker and because this actually happened, he didn't tie the ladder down and it fell off the truck and lady ran it down. And she I'm like, I'm so sorry, ma'am. You know? Had that thing gone through his windshield her windshield, I'd have been liable for that, not my work. Would have been. So let's just keep going up until we find out what's going on. Let's get everybody involved. Oh, you don't wanna do this? He's not doing this? Let's do him now. Well, I'm a tell you what. Job, guy.
[01:09:03] Unknown:
I'll tell you what. Pritzker thought that that Trump was bad. Hell, he got Sam living there. Sam's gonna reach some damage, it sounds like. No. No. No.
[01:09:13] Unknown:
I'm nobody. I'm nobody. But you know what? I believe in God, and he gave me this time on this earth. And I'm gonna tell you right now, you can't serve two gods. You're either gonna follow God or you're gonna follow man. That's it. Or man That's all I gotta say. Just Thank you, Sam. Just stay on Good to hear you. Belief here. Yeah. Good. I'm I'm good. I'm good. I didn't wanna say anything until this went through because if I got buried, then I would've said this is what's going on. But you just gotta stand your ground. You're right, Roger. You know, got a lot of question for Sam.
[01:09:45] Unknown:
Okay. We don't have a problem with that. Yes.
[01:09:50] Unknown:
Hi. Good morning, Roger. It's Mary from Mendota, Illinois. Grew up in Chicago. But Oh, good morning. Question for Sam. I know. That coat now that permit, was that a house like, you're doing work on your home, and they're they were trying to violate you on not getting a permit?
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Right. So
[01:10:09] Unknown:
This is interesting because Mhmm. We need to redo our foundation. Okay? Okay. And I live in LaSalle County now. I used to be Cook County. But Right. I think I'm gonna try to they're trying to force us to get a permit to fix that foundation because we gotta have an engineer come out. We gotta jack it up. You know, all this stuff. That is very interesting. I wrote down. But this so most likely, this will probably work if they violate us
[01:10:38] Unknown:
here in South County for the South County for the South County. Yeah. But here's the thing. So I yield. Yeah. You you're worried about a permit. Right?
[01:10:47] Unknown:
Correct.
[01:10:48] Unknown:
Yeah. So what they're basically saying is in order for you to work on your property, you need our permission. Okay? They want you they want you to give them permission to rule over you. Period. That's it. And you say to them, yeah. You know what? Thanks. I'm good. I'll let you know if I need you. And then they go, oh, no. You're gonna get our permission, like it or not, because we're gonna get some money out of you. And you say to them, sir, if you do this, I'll sue you. Well, this is where I'm at. Like I said, this took on I'll be honest with you. This has gone on for one year. November of, October, they started this.
And because of the courts and this and that, and then, there was a continuance, and then, you had to give your brief. So you tell them basically what you what your information is and what their information is, and you stand on your ground. And, you know, basically, if you're a national, you own your property. I would do a land patent. That was another thing I did. We're working on that. Yeah. You put notice for for at least sixty one days in the newspaper. You you have to go to the to the courthouse in in Chicago, the records department, and then you find that chain of title because there was a a grant from a president that granted that land to the people.
And then you follow that chain all the way up to your name, and then you you you just call the sandwich, and then you you it's real simple. And then you, you put it on in the newspaper, just a little insert. You know, notice there's a land patent such and such for at least sixty one days. I did it for seventy. And then you get a a a you call the newspaper and say, hey. I want proof of documentation that was in the paper, and they send you it. And then basically, now it's in your file. You go to the courthouse, they put it down there, they say we're not gonna we're not gonna record this. They're looking at a three year prison term for not recording.
That's another one of their calls. Okay. You have to file it. They won't.
[01:12:57] Unknown:
I said that's amazing that you you you put them on notice that you did that. That's because it's hard in Illinois to get anything done. It's very hard. It is extremely hard. It's very hard. Yes. It is. What part of Chicago are you at?
[01:13:10] Unknown:
I'm in the sub I'm in Countryside, Illinois. Oh, I know where that's. I grew up in Hazel Crest. I'm in Cook County. I'm in Cook County. I don't care who knows. This is where I lived. This is where I live. Yeah. I grew up in
[01:13:21] Unknown:
I grew up in Hazel Crest, and then we moved to homeless loss for our area.
[01:13:26] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Hazel because I know we're in Donut. I in Hazel Crest. Blue Island. South. Blue yeah. You were South. I saw fighter.
[01:13:33] Unknown:
Yep. Mhmm. So Boy, damn lucky you got out. Here.
[01:13:39] Unknown:
I know. I'm I'm I'll never go back.
[01:13:41] Unknown:
I want out of here. I'm like, in general. I'm tired. Well, what we ought to do, unless this could be general information, if, Mary, you wanna get with Sam, we need to get you his number somehow where you two can communicate directly if you wanna follow a lot of that. Yeah. It's in my number on the I think you'll get it to him now.
[01:14:01] Unknown:
Yeah. My number's on the screen too. Let's not let's not do it on the area. I don't have
[01:14:06] Unknown:
I don't have that kinda and I don't get on the chat because I can't because because I live out in the country. We got three acres, so we got weird Internet. But I can just give it to you. I don't care. I ain't I ain't afraid. Ready?
[01:14:18] Unknown:
No. Hold on. Don't do that. Because Paul they don't don't know. Okay. Just, yeah, somehow, Paul will give it to you. Do can you see my number, Paul? Both of you sent me an email to p g biener, pgbiener,@gmail.com.
[01:14:34] Unknown:
And Yeah. We'll do it like that because I think they're worried. I'm not worried. I don't care. But I will. It's just you get off into this. It might not apply to a bunch of the audience. I don't wanna be a bunch of the losing the audience because you two have an in state thing you wanna discuss. That's my my reason for it. Okay?
[01:14:54] Unknown:
Roger. PJ Deaners.
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Roger. D p papa golf bravo India echo November. Papa golf and then beaner, just like wienerwithab,@gmail.com.
[01:15:16] Unknown:
I have something quick, Roger.
[01:15:18] Unknown:
Okay. I'll get to you a minute, Larry. Go ahead, Martha.
[01:15:23] Unknown:
So we're all dealing with this, actually. Because the local the local authorities, public servants, they they they're gonna try to impose their, city, county, and state codes on you, and we all need to understand how to do that. So Yeah. Like, right now, remember I told you the they're they sent me a citation for the vaccination and licensing of our pets.
[01:15:50] Unknown:
Of Lula Bell. So yeah.
[01:15:53] Unknown:
So that's what I'm working on. And, similar it's kinda similar to what, Sam went through. And we just need to know. We need to know what we're doing, have the knowledge of what their codes are that they need to, you know, comply with. They need to respect and not impose their authority that they don't have on us as a natural person Uh-oh. Private individual. Or Lulabelle or Lulabelle, your pet. Good lord. Our national yeah. Our national dog.
[01:16:26] Unknown:
Yeah. That's right. So did you I guess she whatever. I don't know if she's filed an affidavit with the vet or not, but, that might be something to help. America puts everybody on notice. Anyway,
[01:16:38] Unknown:
Larry? Exactly.
[01:16:41] Unknown:
Yeah. So it sounds like, what Sam was saying was he got his case dismissed because he did not give his consent. And I don't really think it's a consent issue. I think, it's more a jurisdictional issue. The court realized they did not have jurisdiction. That's where the power is. And, because if you wanna see an example of this, and I brought this up to you a while ago, Antivan Rights tried to do the I do not consent to this lawsuit written right on her complaint, and they just plowed forward and gave her a judgment of 1 and a half million dollars. So it's always a jurisdictional issue, not an idle consent issue.
[01:17:25] Unknown:
That's correct. Let me see if I have it. It's called the it's called the nonsuit. Let me see who they're ruling, the judge. I don't know. They vacated it on the January 15, Then he remanded it back to the adjudication and, see where it is that they where they sent I gotta look for it. I had I'm looking in the papers right now. I'll it's called a nonsuit, and I'm looking it up going because it's basically saying I didn't appear. And that was weird that, where was I gotta find it, guys. Go on. Just keep talking now. I'll I'll find it. Alright. Okay. Well, anyway, good to hear your voice again, Sam. Let me jump in there. Sorry, guys. I I start I hate to mess up mess everybody up. I'm sorry. I've lost control. Go ahead. Sam, you didn't appear.
[01:18:18] Unknown:
You didn't appear because the only entity that they have authority over is a citizen of The United States. That was the entity that didn't appear.
[01:18:27] Unknown:
Yeah. The resident didn't show up. Yes. That that other person.
[01:18:32] Unknown:
Question?
[01:18:35] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am.
[01:18:38] Unknown:
Well,
[01:18:39] Unknown:
this is Yes. Maybe if we further But, Sherry,
[01:18:44] Unknown:
was there two of you or just one of you?
[01:18:48] Unknown:
Well, I'm on my phone, and I'm having dipping. Go ahead. It keeps cutting in and out. You're the one. Go ahead. You're the one on the mic. Go ahead. Would just further I do not consent to I do not consent to your jurisdiction. And
[01:19:02] Unknown:
put that forward. Anna. And it covers up This is talking about Anna, not somebody else. She didn't do that. Cost her the million and a half dollars. She didn't appear either. She just wrote that on a complaint and sent it back to him. Obviously, that her way is Patriot Mythology. Yes,
[01:19:22] Unknown:
Paul. Roger, that was Cheryl before Sherry. Yeah. That was Cheryl before
[01:19:27] Unknown:
Sherry. So Sherry. I said,
[01:19:29] Unknown:
I thought there was two voices there.
[01:19:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for recognizing that. But if you are a Yeah. You
[01:19:42] Unknown:
know Tell her. Tell her. State. Correct? Tell her tell her to start again. Your phone's cutting in and out. Could you please start? There's some there's somebody that's that's echoing,
[01:19:54] Unknown:
that's, canceling her out. Try it again, Cheryl. I'll I'll try and locate the offending line. Come on, Cheryl.
[01:20:07] Unknown:
Pika? Am I clear? Am I clear?
[01:20:11] Unknown:
You are now. Okay.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
Go go for it. Great. Okay.
[01:20:16] Unknown:
You're talking about personum jurisdiction, but and and I'm a national. But if it's a state court, isn't don't they have personum jurisdiction if it's a state Not if you're not a resident.
[01:20:31] Unknown:
And the state wherein they hold on. In the state wherein they reside. That's why they want you to be a resident of Florida because that means you're a citizen of The United States also. Okay?
[01:20:47] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for that. So why was I arrested when I challenged jurisdiction, personum jurisdiction? They said we have jurisdiction. It happened in our state.
[01:21:04] Unknown:
Well, because they don't know what they're talking about, and you weren't able to defend yourself and articulate your position. I don't know if you had an affidavit on file at that point. Yes. I do. Defend one's rights, one has to be a belligerent claimant. That's according to appellate judge learned hand. So that's all I can tell you, Cheryl. You you you live in you live in a county where Boss Hogg is the sheriff.
[01:21:32] Unknown:
That's right. You're right. And Well, I can't help that. They they me and said, you you know, you don't understand our rules. And and now they've declared me incompetent because I don't understand jurisdiction.
[01:21:49] Unknown:
Well, then then that's what they did to Chris Cave. So, I don't know what to tell you. Okay?
[01:21:57] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So, well, I was just saying, personum jurisdiction doesn't seem to work in Florida.
[01:22:04] Unknown:
No. It does. No. No. No. Cheryl, it doesn't appear to work in your county in Florida. Please let's be specific.
[01:22:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Good point. Good point. Thank you. I Alright.
[01:22:18] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:22:20] Unknown:
Okay. Can I tell you something here about this circular argument? And the, argument is both in the favor of the government and you. The only reason why people are winning in this argument is because it becomes a circular argument in which it's a very large circle. So this is a poor, approach. It's easier to attack the charges themselves than it would be in order to attack the jurisdiction. Now, later, afterwards, you can still challenge the jurisdiction. After everything is done, you can challenge jurisdiction at any time. So allowing them in order to flow with that jurisdiction and then bringing up the circular argument afterwards may be a very effective way of, using it. Alright. To who else is trying? Marca,
[01:23:09] Unknown:
you're trying to say something there, I think? I was gonna ask Cheryl. She did she put your affidavit in? Like, the simple, effective method that we have, does she use that? So that if she is getting pulled over or something and they're she's fighting something in court, she needs a simple affidavit that gets right to the point. No more extra information on it.
[01:23:33] Unknown:
Right. Correct. Okay. They they they totally ignored the whole national conversate
[01:23:40] Unknown:
But then also got hand
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I got handcuffed as soon as I mentioned it.
[01:23:46] Unknown:
And then then a lot of people say that you need to, challenge jurisdiction from the beginning also, and you need to understand what you're what you're using and explaining to them when you're there.
[01:23:58] Unknown:
Right?
[01:23:59] Unknown:
What county in Florida do you live in, Cheryl?
[01:24:04] Unknown:
Citrus County.
[01:24:10] Unknown:
Yeah. So, Cheryl, Cheryl, why didn't you file a kidnapping charge?
[01:24:17] Unknown:
Sorry? Ask her that again? This is
[01:24:20] Unknown:
okay. Why didn't she file kidnapping charges on this person? You're not their slave. You're a national. You're under common law. You don't work for the corporation. You were kidnapped. You're judge revoked
[01:24:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Because judge revoked my bomb, threw me in jail, and kept me there for three months. How do you file any charges when you have no paper, no pen, no nothing to do?
[01:24:50] Unknown:
When you got out, why didn't you file criminal charges? Okay. You're under coercion.
[01:24:55] Unknown:
You've been coerced in order to do that three months in jail. That's actually by itself a charge. So when you're facing that, yeah, you're gonna have to do the time. Okay, because it's their system. However, when that time is up, they have to be accountable for it and give you what? Compensation, not only for your time, but also for your performance in the court. So, there was a case in, California where a guy was actually arrested with, like, $2,000,000 worth of cocaine. This was an old case. It was back in the eighties. Believe it or not, he was the richest m o b in prison because they had, like, $2,000,000 of property, which they had taken. They admitted they took it. And the value of that property, they set, which was higher than what it actually was, but he wound up being compensated $2,000,000 while he was sitting in jail.
So when they're done, they're done. They've already established everything that they did. They established the performance that you had to do. You can charge them for that performance at at the maximum rate.
[01:26:06] Unknown:
K. So did do you have did you use Paul's or or any kind of payment schedule? The lady in Florida?
[01:26:17] Unknown:
No. I didn't the payment schedule.
[01:26:20] Unknown:
So
[01:26:22] Unknown:
I didn't expect to hear you. Yeah. You know? I I figured that a personification
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was Wait. Wait. Stop. Stop. Stop. This this payment schedule, that's absolute BS. You walk into a French restaurant. It doesn't have the prices on there. You order everything that you want, including the best champagne you got. Are you gonna sit there and argue about the tab when you leave? You went into a restaurant. You didn't look at the menu. You ordered these things. They fulfilled the order. That's it. Now they need compensation. The same way as when you walk in the store, you fulfilled the court, you deserve compensation.
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Wow. Okay. Yeah. I see it a little differently. I see I see it a little different. I I put my payment schedule out there. It's like going into McDonald's. McDonald's wants a thousand dollars for hamburger. Okay. Have a nice day. Another guy wants $10. Well, if I buy that thousand dollar hamburger and eat it, well, now I have to pay for it because you have the you saw the price. There's your payment schedule. You wanna deal with me? This is what's gonna cost you. Don't tell me tomorrow. Oh, I didn't know. Not not I can't afford to The act of putting in that
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the act of putting in that schedule gives them forewarning of what will happen after sentencing. You don't wanna give them that heads up in order to be able to build their case around defending themselves later. That's the reason why I said that. After everything is done and you can show and it's not manage your performance, say, you were ordered to do this. You were ordered to do three hours of community service. Well, three hours of community service plus your payments, your specialty, your expertise. Well, I got news for you. It's $500 an hour. That's fine. I'll do it. Fine. Happy.
Okay? They will put it Do not bring these things up. Because they are open. They open the menu without looking at the prices. You don't need to define those prices before. Only the fact that they are doing business with you, which they established when they, well, brought you into the courtroom. Right? So the moment that you walk in that courtroom is Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No. No. Everybody can't talk at the same time.
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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. I want everybody to stop. Okay. Alan, you're bringing valuable information, but just jumping in there without, like, taking a a break or or saying that you have a comment, that isn't gonna wash. And also, you're giving a fire hose approach to this. Let's do it in bits and pieces, you know, not five minute segments. You and Sam are talking about you and you and Sam are talking about the fee schedule, and the fee schedule being served to them beforehand so they have prior knowledge is just like walking into McDonald's and looking at the menu. It says a Big Mac cost this much. Your decision at that point is to ask for a Big Mac or not ask for a Big Mac because you know how much it's going to cost.
The fee schedule is exactly the same way. A violation of your rights is going to cost them $100,000 If they violate your rights after they've been noticed, then they owe the duty.
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So that is why you Let me let me let me clarify that one point there. Oh. You're absolutely right. It they have every right in order to know how much it is, but you have to understand something. You do not have to notify every branch of the government of what you are doing and what your status is. You only have to answer to the secretary of state. So if you do have a schedule, do not put it into the court. Put it into the secretary of state. The government's been informed. Let the court proceed however they want. They don't need personal knowledge in order to be able to build that case and the appeal, terminology, okay, in order to avoid your schedule.
They don't need to know about it in that courtroom. However, the government needs to know. So file it with the secretary of state. It's over. Now if they bump into that during the course of, time, that's great. But meanwhile, they're still eating at a French restaurant that doesn't have their prices shown. It's whatever you order. Okay? Let it be a fresh rest restaurant. By the way, I filed two months ago my fees, and you've been notified it. You've notified the government of that. So now just pay me my money. It becomes a contract with your fees to the secretary of state rather than a question of stance or standing in that courtroom. Let them do what they want to.
They're gonna do it anyway. They've got guns, and they they they're corrupt. So allow that. But when it comes to your performance, go back to the secretary of state and say pay me. It's time to pay me. You you asked for this performance. Here's the schedule. You agreed to it by not objecting to it, and it's been on file for months. So you just sit there and closed the gap of the gray area to get compensated. You do that once. I guarantee you probably won't even see a traffic ticket. Why? They'll put it in the notice when they pull you over. Do not stop. Do not detain. Don't mess with this guy.
He has fees. And they'll put it in that, and you won't be bothered. But, the exercise of doing that once is very important, but doing it appropriately as so as to not tip your hat when it comes to time, okay, is just as important. If you walk in with that attitude that you're gonna get paid for it, so it doesn't matter, do whatever you want, they're gonna do it. And and you're gonna be paying that three months, that five years in jail without any bond and without any charges on you. It's repeated a 100 times. However, that compensation afterwards can be predetermined before you walk in there by filing that along with your, well yeah. Because your your schedule is actually built in. They have a statement for, being a,
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national. Right? Your schedule is actually built in. So they have that No. You have to Go ahead. Helen. No. You have to Do you remember what I said about drink from a fire hose? You know, you don't need to go on for ten minutes. Okay? What we're talking about is we are talking about a holy crap. You just file your affidavit with the state attorney general, enclose your fee schedule, incorporate through the laws of agency, notice to agent is notice to principal, notice to principal is notice to agent, and then just go on with life. If somebody screws with you, you do have that notice that you can prove you delivered it to the state AG.
So anybody in that state or that county or that little village that messes with you knows or should have known, known or should have known how much it would cost them. Now Roger. Let's let's try and figure out what topic these were on in the chat, sir. I'm sorry. Address
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Alan or somebody. I just want I just wanna say about what Alan's saying. He's talking about a bond. We're not the citizen with a bond anymore. We're just a private individual under natural law. You if you wanna mix yourself into the US system and use your, you know, bonds and whatever it is, that's up to you. That that is not us. What I'm saying. We we are not the US citizen that has a bond.
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Roger.
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Roger. Yeah. Larry, I'm trying to get to you, man. I've lost control of the show here.
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Right. I wanna I wanna correct something that Alan said, which was not entirely accurate. He said that's he said jurisdiction
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can be challenged at any time, and that's not that's not true. No. I I think it can. I think it can. It's gotta be challenged outside. Go ahead. I'm sorry. It depends I agree with you, Roger.
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It did well, then you're disagreeing with the federal rule, Mirka. A defendant must challenge a court's personal jurisdiction by filing a pre answer motion under federal rule civil procedure 12 b two. Otherwise, they waive the defense, and it cannot be raised later. However, a court subject matter jurisdiction can be challenged at any point in in litigation even by the court itself.
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And another thing is, Roger Okay. So hold on hold on, Larry. So you have to use personal jurisdiction at first, but subject matter can be claimed at any time during the proceeding. That's what you just said. Right?
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That's right.
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So it's subject matter that can be claimed, not personal.
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Go ahead. It's subject matter that can be challenged at any time, not personal. Personal's gotta be brought up before you file an answer. And then the other thing is, you've said over the years, you've not seen anyone ever get, you know, compensated because of a fee schedule. The way to, to the way to get compensated from state and federal officials is to file a civil federal lawsuit in federal district court, and you sue them in their either official or personal capacity. That's how you do it. And then they end up settling with you. That's all I got.
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Okay. Maybe. Roger. I still I still don't know of anybody that's done that successfully.
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But okay, Myrca. Go. I just wanted to say, as a private individual natural person under natural law, we need to be using superior court. So I I just spoke to a paralegal not too long ago that understands this, and this is a few months ago. He says you have to use superior court. So there's a lot of information that we need to review and research ourselves to understand Okay. You know, what we where we should be, you know, to hold on. The superior court in California
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might be called something different in another state.
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Sure. I agree. Comment. Yeah.
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Well, there's Joe. Hey, Joe. Welcome to the fray.
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Yeah. 1993, Hafer versus Malo, h o e h o f e r v m e l o. And then a government official can be sued in their individual capacity.
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Of course, they can be. And If they violated, they stepped outside of their due delegated responsibilities. Absolutely.
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So what's the debate on the federal issue?
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Holy shit. I don't know what we're doing around here today. We're chasing our tail, seems like to me.
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I guess I guess so. Well, maybe I misunderstood.
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Yeah. Okay. Now the whole thing is we've got this this elderly lady, a lady who's a little older in age, Cheryl down there in Citrus County, Florida. And she's got boss Hogg as the sheriff and judge Roy Bean as the hanging judge. So what does little old, Cheryl do? How does she does she combat this? She probably can't find an attorney that would do it. Mark isn't even available, on our side. But what's she supposed to do? You've already been damaged, girl, in my eyes. I don't know when you filed your affidavit. I don't know how thoroughly and effectively you did it, but, they're messing with you evidently after you file that document.
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The comment.
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Pepsi, you just don't ever know. Oh, boy. What I should know today. Holy smokes.
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Yeah. Go ahead. Me me me me me me. Cheryl, you send me an email to [email protected]. I might have, I might have a solution for you. Something that you might be able to as long as this happened less than seven years ago. So might might have a way you can go. So, Cheryl, you get that sending in an email to pgbeaner,beiner,@gi.com. B I e.
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B I e. Excuse me? N e r? N e r. N e r. Just like wiener with a b. Well, you got something you can peruse over. K?
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It's still active. It's still active.
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What is? Oh, oh, the case is still active. Okay. Good.
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Alright. Yeah. Roger
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them go. Don't let them go.
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In fact, they to me incompetent to stand trial. So they to my speed. They forced, a public pretender on me. They've done so much damage. It's incredible.
[01:39:31] Unknown:
Now you've you just fire his ass. You just fire his ass. The reason they gave you a public pretender is because when you were when you were, represented by counsel in court, you are deemed incompetent for that very reason. So you fire the public defender. Fire him. Say he does not speak for me.
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I did three times, Paul, in writing.
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Okay. Alright. Well, then you send me an email right quick. I've got something that you need to look at, and you just go after everyone. Everyone.
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Yeah. Yes. Yes.
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If there's a rat in the corner of the courtroom, serve him too.
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Anyway, I yield. Okay. Good for you, Cheryl. Don't stop. Don't give up, please.
[01:40:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger. You know? Nice. It's it's easy what they're I think they're, well and while I was in jail, they stole my my they they broke into my house and stole all my money and all my jewelry.
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So you they you did the time already. There's they don't look. Right now, the ball is in your court. They're they're betting on you not doing anything. You gotta go after them. Gotta take the responsible for this.
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But they're not paying attention to anything I put in because of the public pretender. Rock They they force me into a public pretender so they don't they ignore everything I put in.
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Okay. So what you do is you fire him and say, no. He doesn't speak for me. I speak for myself. I don't know who this guy is. He needs to leave the court immediately, period. I am who I am. I know who I am. He's not speaking for me. I'm not his minor.
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You're the agent majority. Remember Yeah. Just deemed me incompetent to even stand trial.
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Well, then I'd say you need to challenge I'd say you need to challenge that first if that's the obstacle.
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Oh, there you go. That's right. First step. Well,
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you're putting me through incompetency hearings. I've already had, I I you know, when I got out of jail, the first thing I did is I used my insurance to go to a mental health professional, and they said, no. You're not a schizophrenia like they're saying. And it's like yeah. They asked me two questions. I wasn't asked those two questions. I the, the the ones who deemed me with that condition.
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This is, it's
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a mess.
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This is Paul from Kentucky. Am am I muted? Can y'all hear me? No. You're just fine, Paul. Go ahead. Okay. Hey. I am so excited to be on this call because, I can relate with everything that's been said, and I'm dealing with the same thing with the courts of Kentucky. And I just wanted to say to this lady that and and everybody else has kinda said it in a different way, but she must be on to something very strong because if it wasn't that strong, they would not be working against her as hard as they are. And we've obviously seen this with our president and, on a smaller, more local scale. I've been dealing with the same thing. And, Paul, if I heard you correctly, as long as the case is still active or within seven years, some of the stuff that you had mentioned is viable, to do to to to Oh, yeah. Go after the judges.
Okay. Thank you. And I yield. I just wanted to let this lady know she's not the only one. I am Alright. I've I've spoke this on your show before, and I'm dealing with the same song. Thank you, and I hope you I thought it was Dave you'd called in before.
[01:43:42] Unknown:
That's Dave. He's been trying to get in for, I don't know, how long. Five minutes, Dave? Go ahead.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Well, actually, since Bob was talking about individuals, but I wanna start here. I wanna say that, you know, I know he's not with us anymore, but, Hartford Van Dyke most definitely took, he filed criminal complaints in the federal court against agencies, you know, like the CPS and, you know, court officials and all of this stuff. So you can take these cases to the federal court in a criminal in a criminal complaint, and he had a form that you filled out. Now he's not around anymore, but, I know that that's what Cheryl has to do. They're not gonna hear her in her state, any state court. Now back to the individual.
God created us as mankind. Men, woman, and young men and young woman. Okay? Women. The all these words, individual person, those were all created by the legal fiction that these people that call themselves our government. We why won't they ask us if we're are you the man? Are you the woman? No. They're not gonna say that because they know that that they don't want us to answer to a man or woman. They want us to answer to person and individual,
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and I yield. Thank you. No. Okay. Well, I'm not sure I agree with all that, Dave, but that's okay. Hey, Roger. Else has got something to add. Yep. There's one.
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Hey, Roger.
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Hey. Roger. Hello? I left the Hey, Wae'eb. Wae'eb.
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Hey. Here comes topic number seven. Hey. I left the latest
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doctor Shiva on doctor Shiva's latest on Merner Technology.
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Oh, you're welcome. You're a breath. I left it in the chat. Waheed, you're a breath of fresh air. Thank you, sir. Doctor Shiva, you left something about doctor Shiva in the chat, did you?
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Yes. It's his latest on the murder technology on the murder techno murder Okay. Murder technology
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or murder murder I think we got murder and murder interchangeably.
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MRNA.
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Holy Paul, where is is Mercury we're in this damn harvest full moon, aren't we? Yes. I I do believe. But in retrograde? Is Mercury in retrograde?
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I do believe. But you know what? I think AI is gonna need aspirin to transcript this show.
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Yep.
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Yeah. That would be a hell of a transcript there. Okay, Wajid. Thanks. I totally agree with you, Shiva. Shiva is exceptionally sharp. K?
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Yes. Comet?
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Yes.
[01:46:51] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger. Victor in Washington. Hey, Victor. Hey. That the guy that was talking about filing a fee schedule, he he kept on saying secretary of state. He meant to say attorney general. Correct?
[01:47:07] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I mean, you could send it to the secretary of state of The US. That's not gonna but it's not gonna be any effective. You need to send it to the AG.
[01:47:16] Unknown:
Yeah. The AG is the one that's gonna be charging you. So you're gonna be charging me. On that?
[01:47:25] Unknown:
I I sent my yeah. I sent one thing against the top against the to the attorney general. They found nothing wrong. They just blow over you. You gotta go over this guy's head. Once you go over this guy's head, then he'll respond in a different way. I'm sure. Twice, I've sent him just that letters. Okay. Okay. Good point. Good point. Wait a minute. Now both you and Alan are correct. Number one, you send a fee schedule to the state AG,
[01:47:50] Unknown:
which is not gonna help you because in order to sue the state, you have to use the federal court. So if you have the affidavit and your fee schedule sent to the secretary of state of The United States, then it is on record at the federal level. So do both.
[01:48:09] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Do both. Cover all bases. Let's see. Good luck in court. Secretary of state.
[01:48:15] Unknown:
When when you do a complaint, the attorney general is supposed to oversee all these small municipalities. And if he doesn't respond to you, you have to go over him. And I think I think Merkham might have a point. I think I'm gonna have to go to the superior court, the Supreme Court of Illinois, and file charges against these, their own employees. And that's what I think has has to happen. Again, I don't know. I'm I'm just I gotta take one step at a time, and I don't wanna misinform anybody. As I go through it, I'll let you know.
[01:48:42] Unknown:
You know? I can hear you very well buried. Roger Bruce. Please let us know. Okay. Well, there's Bruce again. Yes, sir.
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You can take that fee schedule and make it a affidavit and send it to the secretary of state of United States and the court. Thirty days, it becomes a law. The law in the case. There you go. I I think I already do.
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Mhmm. K. Make it an affidavit. Was that Joe?
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I heard Joe's.
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Okay. No. That was Sam. Okay.
[01:49:15] Unknown:
Alright. Got about, ten minutes left. Do we get anything else contentious we can bring out here? I I hope all y'all stay out. I got a court. And I don't think that getting some amount of Babble Bucks is worth the crap you're gonna have to go through to pursue that. But if you want to do it, you do it. Let us know how it turns out. Hey, Roger. Yes. I think that's Danny.
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No.
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Oh, it's not. Sounded like him. Okay. Hello. Who is this? Alright. This is
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this is Ezana. He's not up in Austin.
[01:49:53] Unknown:
Izana. Hey, man. Listen. I want you to do something. Go over to Tucker Carlson's channel. And he had a delightful interview with a representative out of Houston that's running for, eye patches, position that, you you Republican guy, real straight, you may wanna listen to that. Okay?
[01:50:17] Unknown:
I will most certainly do that. Thank you very much for letting me out. Yeah. I just watched it last night. Very impress very impressive guy.
[01:50:26] Unknown:
I got I don't remember his name, but he's super impressive. He's gonna run for, I think, what's his name? Eye patch's, position. Turned out to be a unbelievable Crenshaw, unbelievable disappointment. Go ahead, Ezana. What's your point? Can you bring some sanity in here for us this morning?
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I know. I'm gonna change the subject.
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Let's see if I can get that a little bit.
[01:50:53] Unknown:
Well, I I have two topics I wanted to bring up to your attention. Uh-huh. So I was, first one was, you know, how you talk to us about, not subject to, to jurisdiction, you know, in the Yes. Moment. Correct. So I thought I think you'll find this very interesting. It's stuff's PDF I found. It's, directly from uscode.house.gov, and it says maybe you ever you may have seen it before, but it's, '39 thirty ninth congress session one, chapter 31, and it's ending in 1866, 04/09/1866. Now this is what they wrote in their records congress. K? Be be it enacted by the senate and house of representative of the United States of America, and congress assembled, that all persons born in The United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians, not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of The United States.
[01:52:13] Unknown:
Wow. Yeah. They've, well, of course, the Indians, they've changed that. In 1925, they made them all citizens of The United States, I believe, that came up on the show the other day. Joe might could verify that. But yeah. And you know ambassadors or yeah. And and those would have been in it's not taxed. And the case for that is Elk v Wilkins, Ajanna.
[01:52:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Elk v. Elk v. And it's interesting because it helped helped the locals. And it and it goes on and on. It's a slavery involuntary servitude, and it goes on and on. To sue parties and to and give evidence, and sell you know, lease, sell, hold, convey, etcetera, etcetera, and full and equal benefits of laws and proceeding of security of persons and property as enjoyed by white citizens.
[01:53:15] Unknown:
And we Yeah. That's in. Now that phrase that phrase, verbatim lifted right out of there, is over in title forty two nineteen eighty three, I believe, is the section. And it says 80 ones. But There's a couple of them. I know. It says the privileges and immunities of the citizens of The United States are the same as the white citizens, and that's in there today.
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Yes. So I was,
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you know, my wife So Cheryl, that Cheryl, that's the kind of stuff you gotta show in front of these throw in front of these people's faces to see how they respond. Title 42, The United States code, the privileges and immunities of the citizens of The United States are equal to those of the white citizens, now called nationals, right there in The United States code? That's the kind of stuff you need to rub their nose in. Go ahead, Azana.
[01:54:20] Unknown:
Yeah. So this, you know how you talk about sometimes, you'll be, you know, doing some things and you think about some stuff, and ideas just pop in your mind. Right? Yep. Yep. Stuff we talk about that. And something like I experienced something like that. And so last four days, we were passing through Washington DC DC area. Well, that's up to what day he says. I got nothing better to do, so I was waiting for to meet to meet with Julie, but she stood me up. Julie. But that's okay. Yeah. We're gonna have to find a way to punish her.
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Thanks a lot, miss Donna.
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We'll we'll make her do break dances in the White House parking lot. Go ahead.
[01:55:09] Unknown:
And, we're, and so we're we're, and so I was thinking about this. Right? And then, you know, I see a checkerboard. I'm not sure exactly where I saw a checkerboard where you have a black and white. I can see, like, a checkerboard for gangs. Yeah. They have flags of all kinds of flags. I think I may have seen a lot of that. And it occurred to me, please, Freemasons love their checker checkerboards that you have. Black Yes. They do. All their floors are checkerboards. That's correct. All their floors are checkerboards. There is a white side, and then there is a black side.
Yeah. So I got to thinking, this obviously has nothing to do with your race when it says white sitting here. It can't be erased though because we can't because you have races of the law even in Europe. Okay? So it can't be a race. Like, they can't be something we identify a person, with either because we're all different. So it had to be, like, good on bad, black and white. Right? You have opposites. So I don't know. That came to me. I thought that was a very interesting thing.
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Tim, I'm gonna tell you what, the dialectish this dialectic aspect of this is right at the foundation of everything because everything's built on that. The better you can identify that and understand it and recognize it, the more aware you'll be of what's going on. So Yeah. I'm aware. I hear a whistler. Did you see that sign? Okay. As on, did you see the sign when you left that said you're leaving The United States? One of those green road signs? Oh, no. I haven't seen that. Oh, no. They used to have them up there. Right. Let's see. Wahib, it's gotta be really quick. Alright. Hold on. I I'm not Yes. Yes. I left. Hold on. Hold on one.
Wahid is just dying to interrupt. Yes. Wahid, what'd you leave?
[01:57:21] Unknown:
I left something in the chat, but it's not it was from pat it was supposed to be from Padgett, but it's something from a seventies music show. You know how you it it's not what I wanted to send. It was supposed to be something from Padgett.
[01:57:35] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Go guard the bank while you're offering trying to somebody might be trying to rob the bank. Go guard it. And, listen. It was Wednesday today. We didn't have Mark, unfortunately. Hopefully, we'll find out what's going on with him. I hope it's nothing terrible. Zana, congratulations,
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man. I have some.
[01:57:58] Unknown:
Well, okay. I got something to tell you. Off in a minute. Well, we're alright. Donnie, have a look. In just a second. We're gonna lay our bodies down. We're gonna well, hell, we may be back tomorrow on Thursday. Hope so. Hope you will be. Hope we didn't drive you off. Ciao. Alright, Zana.
[01:58:17] Unknown:
Awesome. So I'm gonna stop you. Are we off, Paul?
[01:58:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Hold on. Let me see if we've transitioned. You gotta use that terms lightly too. Okay. I think we've transitioned to the after show group.
[01:58:34] Unknown:
Yeah. So so,
[01:58:37] Unknown:
it's See how they ruined good words? I can't even use I can't even use the word transition anymore. That they have screwed up gay. Now they've screwed up transition. I mean, these people are terrible. Go ahead, Azan.
[01:58:53] Unknown:
So, I wanted to so you have a medical need, it turns out. And, just wanted to highlight that, Julie has put up a GoFundMe site for you. Yes. And I put the link on the chat. Alright? So Yeah. I'm just gonna talk to everyone on the phone listening right now. Y'all need to chip in. Okay. $20, $10. Roger has a need, and he's doing amazing things for us. He's teaching us all. So the least we can do is, you know, chip in what we can, what we can afford.
[01:59:26] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. And we really appreciate any of that. So thank you. I Yeah. I appreciate Julie doing that. There.
[01:59:34] Unknown:
Okay. Julie's amazing, and she's set so start it all up. And, it's a link in there so y'all can access it and just put $20 or something or anything. Alright. Susanna,
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thank you so much. Appreciate it. I'm certainly it's an ordeal I'm not looking forward to. I'll tell you that. Yeah. Good. Thank you so much. Now I've got a believe it or not, I've got a lunch appointment today. One of that group from that lunch got my number and reached out to me and said, what happened? And I I said, well, we can get together and have lunch to tell you about it. And and he said, you know, I haven't been going very much since you stopped coming. And I thought that was a very nice comment. So, anyway, I've got lunch with this gentleman. He's from Alaska today. And, so I'm gonna run off and do my stuff. Anybody else have something for me today? News, Roger.
Breaking news on ABC Radio.
[02:00:33] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. They they just arrested a 29 year old Florida man in California for, they're saying that he started the Palisade fires, in some underground fire, and they're saying the evidence is that he had chat g b t draw a depiction of a fire and people fleeing from it. That's their evidence. That's what they just said on on the radio. And one other thing that they stole from us, Roger, you can't say I blew a tranny on the way home from work yesterday without people, you know
[02:01:12] Unknown:
yeah. I guess, I guess that's not you you don't wanna keep that phrase in your lexicon. Okay? Jeez almighty, these wackos. Thank you, Dave. A little levity on the tail end. Anybody else real quick?
[02:01:28] Unknown:
Hey. Hey. Yeah. Are you are you speaking, Rodger?
[02:01:32] Unknown:
I'm gonna I'm trying. Roger? Roger? Nobody's got some chlamingo guitar. I'm trying my best too, Cheryl.
[02:01:40] Unknown:
No. It's Mary.
[02:01:42] Unknown:
Mary. Okay. Sorry. I don't know if somebody's got guitar on in the background. It's a guitar diggy. That's lovely. Mary, did you need me for something?
[02:01:56] Unknown:
Well, no. Remember, I was gonna tell that story, but the show was so good today. We're gonna have to make the Kamala Harris story a different day. Because you got I'm asking you to buy.
[02:02:06] Unknown:
It was way out of my control today. Okay, Ferris. What do you got? I might as well cap the show off with you. Thank you.
[02:02:14] Unknown:
Ferris? I just wanted to just wanted to congratulate us all on arriving at the sacrosanct, nature of words. Each word, each letter in each word needs to be examined. The loss of the word gay, the blow in a tranny on a way No. No. That's a very, very worthwhile radio. But let's get back to the word. In the beginning was the word, and the word was God. Stick with the words. The words will set you free. Uh-huh. The words will cure our problems. Amen.
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Set I yield.
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Okay. Right here? One dry oh, god almighty. Yes, yes, for everything you
[02:02:54] Unknown:
do. Thank you for everything you do for us. Thank you very much. For real. I
[02:02:59] Unknown:
I want I want I want I want these bad boys. You make a comment today
[02:03:04] Unknown:
in the beginning about changing your persona. I believe, yes, when you do this, you change your persona because I used to be somebody else, and they don't wanna give me no passport. And they gave it to me, and they're not looking for me anymore.
[02:03:24] Unknown:
Here you go, baby. Thank you, Raj.
[02:03:27] Unknown:
Okay. Who's playing the guitar in the background? Stop it or mute yourself. Understand that.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
Mute it, Paul. Is is this one of our, I can't find it. You boy you boy buddies or something? Yeah. You found it. Who was that? Who's running?
[02:03:52] Unknown:
It was a room. Carol? I know. I think it's her whole music. She does the call on.
[02:04:00] Unknown:
Well, I just I just booted her out. So
[02:04:03] Unknown:
Who who was it, Paul?
[02:04:06] Unknown:
Oh, it I'm it was an anonymous line. I don't know who it was, but Okay. Some cellular providers play hold music when you put somebody on hold to answer another call. If your provider does that, if you get a phone call, hang up from the conference.
[02:04:26] Unknown:
Do they play good flamenco guitar like that?
[02:04:29] Unknown:
On hold? I don't know, I guess.
[02:04:31] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Well I thought it was Anyway, it was good. If you were trying if you were trying to disrupt us, you were playing very good music. So that's it. Now what was that last comment?
[02:04:42] Unknown:
Oh, I think it was probably accidental.
[02:04:45] Unknown:
No. I thought it was less to give him lessons. That's all. I'm done.
[02:04:49] Unknown:
Okay. Well, could it been? I'm sure he's that good. Alright. Ciao. I think he's better than that. Hasta manana. I didn't
[02:04:58] Unknown:
mean to copy during the show, guys. Sorry.
[02:05:01] Unknown:
Well, Sam, it's good to hear from you. Good to hear from you. I'm glad you're I'll keep in touch, guys. I I do. Alright, buddy. Thank you. Alright. Keep don't go down south. Don't go to the South Side.
[02:05:13] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna do what I gotta do, Rod.
[02:05:16] Unknown:
Alright. Hey, Sam. Alright. So I've got a dog there.
[02:05:21] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you very much. Thanks, Susanna. Ciao ciao. Sam, before you go, tell me where your pizza place is because there's no good pizza in Mendota.
[02:05:29] Unknown:
You know, it used to be it used to be pizza pizza, but my boys sold it because they got into The US, you know, the non US citizenship. And I think they won it out. Yeah. They were kinda they had, like, an s corp and, you know, they were kinda bound in there. And at that point, they were just like, this is not not worth it. If we had done it differently, it would have been different. And they both went different ways. You know? So Ma'am, that's a bummer. I really would need some good pizza around here.
[02:05:56] Unknown:
These people in Mendota do not understand what real pizza is.
[02:06:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It was really good pizza. It was a small mom and pop place for thirty years. And they sold it to some guy, and he completely changed the the the recipe, and now he's got no business. So it's it's on him. It is what it is. But it was they they increased the business by over a 130,000 a year. They would've done really well. Yeah. They would've done really well, but it is what it is. So This is Bruce. What's that?
[02:06:29] Unknown:
I said, this is Bruce. Make your own pizza like you like it. You don't need a cup company to make pizza. Make your own pizza. That's what I do.
[02:06:37] Unknown:
I get what I want on the pizza. I do, but you can't get good the sausage is the hard part around here because nobody puts they don't know what they're doing around here. They really don't. I do make my own pizza by getting your hands on some good sausage.
[02:06:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Sausage is What's that? Sausage, is like a, killer. It'll kill you. It's not that good.
[02:07:02] Unknown:
Okay. So the with this pizza, it it was the sauce. I gotta tell you guys. It was the sauce. And, it was really the sauce. Nothing else. Not the sauces, not the pepperoni. It was the sauce. It was really that made the whole pizza. Anyways but anyways, okay. I'm a let you guys go. I didn't wanna comment here. Hey. Show. I just wanted to help people out. Yeah.
[02:07:25] Unknown:
Sam, I just wanted to ask, did you go to for everything you talked about today, and thank you for that, did you actually go did did you actually go in the court, and what put you in court?
[02:07:37] Unknown:
So I thought I explained that they they went after me at a, municipality level, and I challenged the jurisdiction. You never sit there you know, here's the thing. You walk in and they say, how do you they they call your name. Right then and there, you know, you don't say any you don't you go, I'm here on that. I'm here on special special appearance. You know? Because they've created another person. Even my lawyer buddy might have told me that. There's two different people. So, anyways, yeah, I'm here on that matter. That's what you say. And then they say, how do you plead?
Well, right then and there, that's how they get you. If you sit there and go, well, you know, I wasn't parked there or the trailer wasn't on my driveway or whatever the excuse is. You say to them, wait a minute. Plead what? You know, don't you have to be convicted before you make a plea?
[02:08:29] Unknown:
But saying what Don't be I'm asking what piece of paper or whatever put you in jail took you to jail. Oh, what They didn't pleading and begging.
[02:08:38] Unknown:
Pleading is begging.
[02:08:41] Unknown:
Yes. So yeah. There you go, Dave. So no. I I did some sidings. I hired a company to do some siding on my dad's house, and I said if you get a permit, you're not getting this job. You will be removed from the property. They said no problem. I said give me your insurance, your workman's comp, whatever. They sent me a copy of it. Then they went in and instead of doing the job, and all of a sudden this guy comes up and goes, hey, man. You know, you don't have a permit. And I said, he could the guy calls me because, hey. The inspector's here. And he goes, I said, give me him. And I said, he he give me the phone. He goes I go, who is this? This is a countryside. I said, get the fuck off the property now. He hands the guy the phone back. I'm sorry. I do swear at time to time because I'm pissed off.
And, he, he gives me he he gets the phone. He goes I go, what's he doing? He goes, I don't know, man, but he got in his car and he just took off. I go, thank you. Adults here. Go ahead and swear we're adults. You know, the kids use those terms. We'll use them too. Don't don't apologize.
[02:09:37] Unknown:
This is free speech.
[02:09:39] Unknown:
Is this Ferris? It damn sure you're right. It's whoever you want to write. Hey, Ferris. What's your vulgarities?
[02:09:45] Unknown:
I'm a hit I'm here for special special appearance. Sorry. Be a civilized person.
[02:09:50] Unknown:
Be a civilized person. Be a civilized person. I'm here for a special I'm here for a special appearance for the womanhood. To
[02:09:55] Unknown:
your question, in order to plea, you don't have to be convicted. You'll plea when you're accused. You don't have to be convicted to to enter a plea.
[02:10:03] Unknown:
Well, you're accused, you you're
[02:10:06] Unknown:
right? Right. You're saying you're guilty. Guilty of what? Same. What crime is being committed? Right? So, anyways, I said I don't consent.
[02:10:14] Unknown:
Did you get a notice did you get a notice in the mail or at your front door? I did. Yes. I did. Yes. I did. Yes. I did. I'm ask. That's what I'm asking. What Okay. So here notice from and what did it say that made you go You said that,
[02:10:27] Unknown:
you didn't you didn't, you're in violation of not getting a permit. And I think Mark said this example one time. I guess some guy was putting a roof on his house or something or a barn, and the village inspector walked up and said, where's your permit? He goes, what are you talking about? Oh, no. No. No. You can't do that. You gotta go get a permit. So when he ran down and got a permit, came back, the guy started citing him with all this stuff. He goes, what are you doing? He goes, what do you mean? You got a permit. Right? He had the right now because you gave him the authority to get this permit to start telling you how to do it because he's permitting you to work on your own house. And I find that very ignorant. I never got anything from anybody. I work for everything that I have. I built everything, and I do everything myself. I don't need your authority to live. I need the authority from God. That's it.
[02:11:12] Unknown:
So did you get a notice working for me. What made you show up at court? Did you get a notice in the mail or somebody present something at to you at the front door? What made you go No. I got I got one in the mail. I sent them a a a response to their letter saying,
[02:11:28] Unknown:
thank you. We don't need your service. You got ten days to reply to this. Otherwise, it's a tacit agreement, meaning, hey. The silence means consent. Right? Well, they went and ran over me again, And we had a court date. I didn't go. So I went to the next one. When he heard it the second time, I said, I'm challenging your jurisdiction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Default, $750. He said, alright, smart guy. I see I went also, I got prior to going to court, I got his oath of office that he has filed in the city of Countryside. K? And then I signed my name over it.
I took a copy of it. I had the the clerk state that I did not get a permit. If you get a permit, you're in their jurisdiction. You're under their authority. Whatever it is.
[02:12:13] Unknown:
Who told you to go to jail? Who told you to go to jail? I mean, who told you to go to court?
[02:12:20] Unknown:
You have to respond to it. The all I'm saying is look. Here is the court is this. Did did you respond by paper, or did you respond by going in the court? Responded by paper. They responded by paper. They they filed a default judgment, meaning I wasn't there. Right? So then I went to court to combat this. I said, woah. Woah. Woah. I sent this to you and the attorney general. The attorney general responded right away because it was certified letter. I said, I'm not gonna get into this bullshit. Right? Okay. That's what it was. So then then I went to the court. They ran over me. I said, you know what? Screw you. Let's go to the court circuit court.
I go to the circuit court, and the guy's like, well, you know, I could remand it. And so why would you remand it? You gotta vacate this. You know? So So as he went on and on, we went back and forth. We just talked. That's all it is. It's a hearing. They wanna hear what you have to say. Well, you have evidence of something. Don't be afraid of them. You don't owe them anything. Look. They're telling you one thing. Okay. Prove it. Oh, well, you didn't get a permit. Yeah. You're right. I didn't. So how do you have authority over me? In personas jurisdictions mean they have the control over you. From what I understand, it's in personas, subject matter, and and territorial jurisdiction. It's a three legged table. If they don't have one of those legs, the table falls. They have to have all three. Now I learned all this stuff by the seat of my pants. I'm doing the best I can with it. I I'm not an expert. Please don't think that. All it is is when someone asks you a question, you have the right to speak that they're asking you some speak. You bring someone else in like that poor lady in in Florida, Sheila, Shelley. You know, don't have to speak for you. He can't speak for me. Who are you? You don't have control over me. I'm not your slave. I'm not your child.
I'm gonna speak for myself. They cannot address you. They can't. They can only deal with corporations. They can't deal with the the the the the real man, the real person, the the living, breathing person. They can't. They have to have someone coming at you going, yeah. This guy smashed into me. And now, you know, I'm my back hurts and you gotta make me whole. That's it. Speeding is not a crime. Then nobody got hurt. I I had this discussion with a lawyer buddy of mine. He says, oh, well, you know, this I said, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Speeding is not a crime. He said, yeah. It is. I said, no. It's not. It's a traffic infraction first and foremost, but you gotta be in their jurisdiction. Okay? If that's the case, George, I says, well, here's the deal. Doesn't that officer have a gun? Well, yeah. So can he now he could that's a threat on your life. He could take your life. So why isn't he in prison?
If we're gonna we're gonna go this route oh, it could be. Could be. Well, this guy could kill me. I coulda hurt somebody. I didn't. He didn't shoot anybody. But if that's if you're gonna get convicted of of of of a presumption, well, then everybody has to be presumptive. That's discrimination. Cops cannot have guns because he could take my life. Oh, no. Well, you're speeding. Here's a $102,100 dollar ticket. No. Let's make sense of this. Try to make it simple. Judge, absolutely not. I never got a permit. You where's your search warrant when you stepped on a property?
You're supposed to protect my rights, judge. That's the only reason you're here. You charge the treasury. You need to take care of this, period. And they know it. They they make a mistake. They judge against you. You go to the next level, the appellate courts, which I haven't gone yet. Then it goes to the next one. It goes to the Supreme Court. They have to judge in your favor. They're there for you, period. This is the law. You're lucky I haven't had coffee this morning. I'm sorry. This is how I'd look at things. I'm sorry. I'd like to make a remark. I can't Please. Make.
Yeah.
[02:16:05] Unknown:
I think the bottom line is we all wanna stay out of court as much as we possibly can. And just remember one thing. They cannot proceed unless you take ownership of that name. They can do nothing. They may do they may go through trial. They cannot proceed unless you take ownership of the name. Bingo. Period. So Yep. Sometimes we like to talk. We love to talk, But sometimes you you you you don't take owners the the last thing you wanna do in in a courtroom because you can't proceed unless you take the ownership of that name. Once you take the ownership, you're done.
[02:16:49] Unknown:
I yield. That ownership means that you are their slave. Are you my slave? Yes. Oh, well, then I could do whatever I want. Oh, you did this. Prove to me that you have that authority over my life. Because I know god gave me life. He gave me breath. He gave me life. Where do you get off telling me what I could do? Now if I work for the government, hey. I'm bound by their ordinance and statues. 100%. I work for you. I gotta make the pizza. I gotta make the sauce. I don't work for you. You can't run out of the pizza place, grab me, and pull me in and go, hey, man. Start making pizzas. No. It doesn't work like that. I don't need your authority to walk down the street.
[02:17:32] Unknown:
Sam, the first thing they ask you when you go in there is state your name for the record.
[02:17:38] Unknown:
Yeah. That's the first thing they ask you. Yep. That's true. That's true. Once you state it, you're in a jurisdiction. We got him. He he raised his hand. He stated his name. He stated the slave stated his name. Our slave stated their name. And I tell him my Christian name is Sotero, and I go from there.
[02:18:00] Unknown:
Ma'am?
[02:18:01] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:18:02] Unknown:
My name is Julie. How come you didn't, plead, null t l record, n u l space t I e l space record? It's a legal speak, plea to deny the existence of a record upon which a plaintiff bases their claim. Because
[02:18:19] Unknown:
I didn't know about it. What is this?
[02:18:22] Unknown:
It's Nul, N U L, space, T I E L, space, record. It's basically a common law plea that assert there is no record. Or that Null, null,
[02:18:39] Unknown:
t e I l, t I e l. N u l,
[02:18:43] Unknown:
space t I e l, t as in Tom, I as in India, e as in elephant, l as in Larry. Yeah.
[02:18:51] Unknown:
Space record.
[02:18:52] Unknown:
Yeah. And my and my other understanding is, that they have blended, the legal fiction with the living and breathing man or woman in these courts and that you've got to take over your minor account, which is your, Treasury Direct account, which is under title 31 CFR three six three point six. And then you're no longer a minor when you go into those courts, and you're not already deemed legally incompetent from the minute you enter their courtroom because you've taken over your minor account.
[02:19:25] Unknown:
Right. You're the age of majority. Right. Yep. Right. After the age of 19.
[02:19:30] Unknown:
Yep. Otherwise, when you go in there, even if you say you're making a special appearance, my understanding is that they've blended the legal fiction with the breathing and living human woman or man, male or female, and they've blended those two together. So which is not lawful to do, but that's what they've done is my understanding and that we've got to take over that minor account so that when we walk in a courtroom, we're no longer deemed incompetent.
[02:20:00] Unknown:
Incompetent with what they did to her. Right. Right. So yeah. Okay. I missed I missed the point I was gonna make. But, anyways, go ahead. Oh, no. I was asking a couple of questions because your case is very interesting
[02:20:13] Unknown:
on what took place. I appreciate you sharing it. Oh, right. Well, okay. So you just said you earlier you said that they're they're they're blending both the people together. Right? Yeah. They're blending up. Yeah. And and and my friend actually pled no TL record in the courtroom, and then the judge just entered a plea of guilty on behalf of the person who, said no TL record. And he stood up and said, are you practicing law from the bench? And that was when the judge got really pissed off and told him that he wanted to see him in his chambers and he dismissed the case. But I know other people who go go to court who are asking the judge, can I see the bond and the $10.99 in the case, and can I have the CUSIP number? Because they they create a bond in your name when you go to court, and then they sign a ten ninety nine a on your behalf, which is stealing, which is stealing from you, and they commit identity theft by signing your name to that bond. They create a bid, a bid bond. I actually have the form to create the bid bond. And then they have the CUSIP number, that, assigns the, number to the bond, to the security that they created on behalf of your name. So they're they're they are committing identity theft by signing your name, and they're committing securities fraud by by creating a bond in your name because they're not security they're not licensed as security dealers.
[02:21:39] Unknown:
Right. The other point though is this. If they are getting revenue from this case, they have to recuse themselves because they have a financial interest in the case, and they cannot hear it. Okay? Julie. And then again again, going back to the two names, it's a presumptuous government. So that's where you stand on your on your your own two feet and say, hey. No. No. No. No. Big mistake. I am not who you say I am. This is who I am, and this is what it's gonna cost you. This is who I charge, and I'm a I'm a nonresident alien. I'm not a US citizen. So you wanna keep proceeding, it's on you. And that's when you put everything in record. Right? You go and you file all this stuff. And I did it with, like Roger said, my administrative proceedings. I went and filed everything. So there's no guesswork anymore. You wanna come at me because you got a bug up your ass? Let's go.
I'll make sure you know, we'll take care of it. We'll take care of it. You know?
[02:22:32] Unknown:
Well, Sam, you have me. I see him. Sam, you better Sam, you Sam, you ought to just go, to the IRS and ask for the $10.99. IRS has to do the accounting. They gotta give you the $10.99 for the $10.99 a for the case, and I'll tell you right now these things? For these case? Yeah. They they they they issue bonds before even a case is heard there. You got those bonds issued. You should go get the $10.99 a. And, you're listed as the the debtor, and they're listed as the creditor when you're the creditor and they're the debtor. And you can file a ten ninety nine a corrected form, send it back to the court, and tell them give me my money back that you stole. Comments. Oh, no. We're I wanna get them for the big money. That's okay. I'm gonna really I'm gonna put I'm telling you that that bond that they that bond, that $10.99 a that they did on you is probably millions of dollars.
[02:23:19] Unknown:
Really? Oh, man. Yeah. Okay. Do you have my number? Why don't you why don't you text me your number or text me and help me get through this? I mean, I don't know how to proceed, to be honest with you. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep researching it. Paul has text me your number, and I can call you. Okay. Paul, text me my text or my number. This is interesting. I have a question. Okay.
[02:23:42] Unknown:
I have a question. Sherry. Alright. Not Sherry. Julie. I'm sorry, Sherry. Julie. Well, actually, you're both in good company. I love you both anyways, so it doesn't matter. Julie, were you on that Zoom call last night?
[02:23:58] Unknown:
Which one? With the Republic? No. No. I wasn't on a Zoom call last night. What Zoom call was it?
[02:24:08] Unknown:
It was, Commoner Law Group.
[02:24:13] Unknown:
The Common Law Group?
[02:24:15] Unknown:
Commoner Law Group.
[02:24:17] Unknown:
Oh, I've I've never been on their Zoom.
[02:24:20] Unknown:
Oh. You've never been on their Zoom?
[02:24:22] Unknown:
Okay. Are they good?
[02:24:25] Unknown:
Well, actually, they were talking about this very thing last night, the CUSIP, the bid bond, performance bond, and payment bond Yep. And how they, and and how they actually, steal your identity. They're they're guilty of identity theft and securities fraud. And Yep. There that's exactly the information that I'm gonna be sending to Cheryl, because I was on that Okay. Can I talk, please? Can I talk? Alright. Can I Sorry? Can we talk? Yeah. Alright. Anyways,
[02:25:05] Unknown:
I was on that Zoom call last night. I recorded interject something really quickly. Do not forget what Joe Lustig has said about his friend who is still sitting in jail because he asked for those bonds, and the judge says, I feel threatened.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
Yep. I I do. And they handcuffed him. We don't have And he's still sitting in jail. I understand that, but we don't have a name. We don't have proof of that. We don't know what the context was within which that was said. And and also, Sherry, really depends on which court you're in and which judge you get in front of. My understanding is that when as soon as you plead no TL record the judge knows that you're on to their scheme and that this is a bank and not a court and that, you know what the the game is that they're playing in there. And he'll get up he'll just get up and he'll just say, okay, just work I'm gonna enter a plea of guilty on your behalf and as soon as you ask him if he's practicing law from the bench and then ask him for those three things, that they'll call you back to the chambers, at least this is what happened to one of my friends. My friend didn't go to jail for that.
Go ahead, Paul. You were saying something about the commoner, law group Zoom meeting last night, and they were talking about the exact same thing.
[02:26:27] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. I will, I will send, I will send the information on that.
[02:26:37] Unknown:
So a lot of this, involves ten ninety nine a and ten ninety nine b and ten ninety nine c. And it does involve your, legal fiction, and it does involve that account that nobody wants to talk about on the main channel. And if you go to the IRS website and you pull down the ten ninety nine A, B and C forms, the ten ninety nine is where they steal, they acquire your property. The ten ninety nine C is where you discharge their claim. And then the ten ninety nine b is what you hand back to them and tell them you stole my property. Give this back to me. And there's an IRS form 14,039, which is, called identity theft that you can file with the Federal Trade Commission, the FTC and claim that the IRS stolen your identity by signing your name to these, forms. And you can also file a complaint with the SEC that they're practicing a securities without a securities license by issuing those bonds. And all you gotta do is get the CUSIP number for proof that they issued a bond.
[02:27:44] Unknown:
Great. Okay. Let me see.
[02:27:49] Unknown:
I am not Now let me tell you now let me preface that with something. They know that we're catching on to this stuff. And now my understanding is that when you go to court or you ask the clerk of the court, what's the CUSIP number in this case? They'll say, I don't know what you're talking about. My understanding now is that they're changing who handles these and who issues them to confuse them just like they are our treasury direct account and I've had many conversations with Sherry about this. You know, it used to be just the treasury account in DC, now they moved it down to Puerto Rico, a second one they opened up down in Puerto Rico, because of jurisdiction down there. It makes it almost impossible for us to get our hands on that account down there.
So you gotta go through my May I, Julie,
[02:28:33] Unknown:
to correct the definition under, 31 c f r three six three point six? The definition of a minor includes someone who has reached the age of majority, Sam, but has yet to take control of the securities in their minor account. Yeah. Well, I've never heard of it. People over 18
[02:28:55] Unknown:
under 31 CFR. And I know Yeah. And listen to what Sherry said. The word she didn't say security. She said securities, plural. You got so many bonds that they've issued on you. If you get a passport, you got a bond. If You opened up a bank account, they got a bond. If you, got a driver's license, they did a bond. They've they've stolen so much from that account. And that's unlimited credit, by the way. Every federal reserve note that you're carrying around in your wallet has a series of digits on it. That's people's Social Security, numbers on the back of their Social Security card. Those those Federal Reserve notes are backed by your yours and my labor. Question. Fiat currency.
[02:29:34] Unknown:
WestJet. Sam, what does your email address start with?
[02:29:39] Unknown:
My my email address?
[02:29:41] Unknown:
What does it start with? I'm sure I've sent you an email before. I just gotta pull you out of my contact list.
[02:29:48] Unknown:
B c global dot net, but I have another one too. I may have used that one. There's, like, three that I have. Spanopolis,pasinPeter,apple,Nancy,ocean,Peter,ocean,utica,Larry,ocean,[email protected].
[02:30:11] Unknown:
Say that again, Sam?
[02:30:13] Unknown:
Flowey? S as in Sam, Peter, apple, Nancy, ocean, Peter, ocean, Utica, Larry, ocean, Sam.
[02:30:25] Unknown:
You're gonna have to go slower than that.
[02:30:28] Unknown:
Oh my god. My ex wife wanted something long and hard. That's my last name. Yeah. Yeah. No. P o. Yes. S. S as in Sam, p as in Peter, apple is a as in apple, n as in Nancy, o as in ocean, p as in Peter. Got this concrete.
[02:30:50] Unknown:
Do you have a tractor or something to unload it?
[02:30:56] Unknown:
Where the hell is that?
[02:31:00] Unknown:
No. We're from Chicago. We talk fast. Yeah.
[02:31:04] Unknown:
Stop. Okay. Did you did you get it or no?
[02:31:08] Unknown:
No. No. Start again. The concrete guy came in. Okay. Guys, focus.
[02:31:14] Unknown:
I have a problem with it myself. S as in Sam, p as in Peter, a as in apple, n as in Nancy, o as in ocean, p as in Peter, o as in ocean,
[02:31:26] Unknown:
u as in Utica, l as in Larry Wait wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It's [email protected]. S b c as in bravo or p c as in papa? Bravo bravo. Yeah. Sarah by serving. B c s p c what?
[02:31:58] Unknown:
Global? Okay. S p c global dot net. Let me send you, Paul. I'm gonna send you my email. Okay? See if I could do this. No.
[02:32:05] Unknown:
No. No. Don't do that. Hold on. I hold on. Don't do it. Don't do it. Okay.
[02:32:10] Unknown:
Here we go. You don't want me to send you an email?
[02:32:13] Unknown:
Here we go. It's, SierrapapaalphaNovemberOscarpapaOscarunionLimaOscarSierra@Sierrabravo, Charlie. Charlie. Golf Lima Oscar bravo alpha Lima dot net. Is that it? Global.net.
[02:32:46] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. That's it. Okay.
[02:32:52] Unknown:
Alright. I'm sending a a I'm, sending a email
[02:33:06] Unknown:
I can hear this. Wait.
[02:33:10] Unknown:
Oh, crap. I'm doing this as a forward, but I don't wanna forward the whole message.
[02:33:20] Unknown:
Only see if I can send you one voice.
[02:33:30] Unknown:
I'm gonna go to get that. Get that. And I'm gonna get that.
[02:33:39] Unknown:
So I can send you one.
[02:33:41] Unknown:
Going to delete those.
[02:33:45] Unknown:
Some people out there are just good at being able to hold an argument.
[02:33:52] Unknown:
Well Crap. You don't have a choice. Okay. No. Go ahead.
[02:34:13] Unknown:
I would, always like to mention the the tactic of using the abatement instead of going to court with them.
[02:34:23] Unknown:
Oh, man.
[02:34:26] Unknown:
Anyways,
[02:34:29] Unknown:
in India, abatement, it occurs to me something you could let them know if you want to let them know about the trust, etcetera. You could do it in there. I would make it a tailing thing. But one thing I think that they would take quite a bit of attention to would be as a state citizen, you would come under, in my opinion, Swift versus Tyson and not not, Erie Railroad versus Tompkins. Now if that ever went up into the higher courts, they would dismiss it because they don't wanna hear it. Because if that ever got out, they have some real problems.
Mhmm. And seeing they consider all of the, feudal slaves under their phony commercial system, When you're back under Swift versus Tyson, you are protected from that commercial system. So that's one of the things I think I would do. I yield.
[02:35:39] Unknown:
That's a good one. That sounds good. Hey, Paul.
[02:35:54] Unknown:
What year was that case, and has it been jeopardized?
[02:36:04] Unknown:
WFT v Tyson? Yeah. Which year? What what year was that?
[02:36:10] Unknown:
Yes. But it was over '45 here at Graham Road.
[02:36:14] Unknown:
E 1842. It it wasn't it was the law of the land for ninety years, And they overturned it because Thompson didn't have those protections even though he was asking for them because he was a feudal slave. He was a fourteenth amendment citizen.
[02:36:36] Unknown:
State the case again. That's Thompson versus
[02:36:38] Unknown:
Swift versus Tyson is the original case, and it was overturned in '38, I think, by Erie Railroad versus Tompkins.
[02:36:50] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Erie.
[02:36:51] Unknown:
Right. You'd have to go under state supreme court and, with your pre 1860 constitution, I guess, and say there's a writ of error here. Basically, the the money that the state is accepting is the incentive to turn us into federalized
[02:37:12] Unknown:
Yes. Of course.
[02:37:13] Unknown:
Folk.
[02:37:17] Unknown:
Payees to, and that's why everything in this country is commercial. Is it you can't do anything without a license, without permission. Right. It's all be all because of this case. If you wanna get a real good explanation of it and understand it the best, you gotta read Bros v Brossefice, USA, the republic, the house that nobody lives in. Nobody lived in that house is what he's saying when this guy went and argued protection from his state when in fact he wasn't a state citizen. He was a federal citizen. And that's also when prior to that, our district courts could also call up a jury.
So it's interesting stuff. I think it would it would put the fear of God in them because they're gonna dismiss something like this if you if they think that you know that you know and that you're willing to take it all the way.
[02:38:30] Unknown:
What should we have? We could
[02:38:32] Unknown:
we could name it, people, or John Doe or whatever, and then have a bunch of national sign out sign on to the case.
[02:38:42] Unknown:
That'd be fun. Yeah. Thanks, man.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Okay. I just sent, an email to Cheryl, Sherry, Julie, and Sam.
[02:38:53] Unknown:
K. Let me look.
[02:38:57] Unknown:
And and the abatements, we don't belong in so I don't think we belong in using their tax titles and codes. We should stick to what it was prior to these amendments, and that's gonna, I think, be otherwise, you're sort of playing in two sandboxes at the same time, the way I look at it. So I know that's not really a very popular view. People are always saying, well, use their system against them. I, I think you should just stay out of their system and abate it. You can put anything in that abatement you want.
[02:39:43] Unknown:
Yeah. You could stay out of it, but they pull you in. And when they pull you in, you gotta put their feet to the fire. That's it.
[02:39:51] Unknown:
Have you They can't they they can't proceed without you taking ownership of the name,
[02:39:57] Unknown:
I yield. That's usually part of the abatement. Is it is destroying that fictive fiction right there. Put it all in the abatement. You never go to court. You serve them. You wait certain amount of time. If they don't respond, you put them in default, and you can go to small claims and get a judgment.
[02:40:18] Unknown:
You know, you could abate really any bill that way too. Right? When you think about any invoice, basically, it's fraud on its face post 1860.
[02:40:32] Unknown:
Yeah. We'd we'd wanna be careful that we're not abusing it, I would think. I mean, if if you really wanna get a feel for this, you gotta read the book of the hundreds and what they have to say about it because they're sort of purist about it because it's very Christian, but it's very specific. And they tell you what you can and can't do in that abatement. And they certainly believe that you cannot bring into your argument anything from the system.
[02:41:08] Unknown:
Nullifies it.
[02:41:12] Unknown:
So May I?
[02:41:14] Unknown:
Yep. I'm going.
[02:41:19] Unknown:
Last night, Ed from Georgia, who was the one who called in and spoke with Roger last week regarding Daryl and Sandy and, you know, that other man. And, he had a two hour presentation on the Republic call last night, which I think would, benefit anybody to listen to that two hours of what he brought forward regarding the Administrative Procedures Act and, fiction fiction of law and maxims of law. And he also used the term George. So like I said, it's about a two hour presentation, but it's well worth the time to listen, and I yield.
[02:42:07] Unknown:
Thanks for that, Sherry. And I got your email. Thank you. I will listen to that. Just wanna make sure you're getting my emails. Okay?
[02:42:14] Unknown:
Oh, I am. Thank you, George. I appreciate you. And, it'd be silly just to send one back. I but just know I'm getting your emails. I appreciate you.
[02:42:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Because they have attachments, so you never know what kind of mind viruses, you know, we all might have.
[02:42:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Guys, that email that I sent, you for, at, in there is an MKV file. It is a two plus hour, recording of a Zoom call. And you need to and all of the, the other documents in the folder were the ones that were, put in the chat by the presenter. And there is also a text file of the sum total of all of the chat messages and information that were on the Zoom call. So you have everything at your disposal as though you were sitting there. So, pack a lunch and take the data, read it over. I think it'll be really interesting. That's it.
[02:43:29] Unknown:
Hey, Sam. Hey, Sam.
[02:43:32] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I'm still here as of right now.
[02:43:35] Unknown:
When you went in court, did the judge ask you, is your name Sam such and such and such?
[02:43:42] Unknown:
Did he ask you if that was your name? I didn't wanna answer I didn't wanna answer to that, so I said I'm here on special appearance. Okay. I didn't even say my name.
[02:43:51] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Okay. Thank you.
[02:43:54] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm just telling you how it worked for me. They have my I have my citizenship. They have my payment schedule. They have everything. So they can't deny. You know? I'm not gonna answer to what they want.
[02:44:08] Unknown:
You know?
[02:44:09] Unknown:
They can't deny that they didn't get it. I don't have a problem with them knowing. Because if you kinda hide that information, you know, they'll they'll do whatever they wanna do on to you. And it's like, no. No. This is where I'm at. This is who I am. Look. I'm I'm I'm I'm learning. So I don't I can't say that I know that much. It sounds like I do, but I just stand and answer the questions, and I don't I don't give them any authority over me. That's all I do. And that's very good. Do it.
[02:44:43] Unknown:
The only
[02:44:45] Unknown:
The only issue when you go to court is accounting. That's all they're doing. They're stealing the money, and they're issue and they're issuing a bid performance and payment bond in the courts. And so whether it's a traffic violation or if it's a permit violation, I know somebody who goes into the court and basically tells the judge I already know the Sixth Amendment nature of the accusation is not criminal and it's commercial. And you can tell the judge to just look at Title 27, Code of Federal Regulation 72.11, And you can print it out and send it and, and put it in front of the judge's face.
And it's, it's basically a revenue issue because of the big performance and payment bonds that they're issuing and signing, in your name. And, people need to know that statutory is not one of the four law form jurisdictions. So you know that the court is operating under vice admiralty, which means they have a ten ninety nine a open, in the court, or somewhere in their accounting system. And, they have what's called a PPL, which is title, 31 code of federal regulations two zero three. That's the Treasury tax and loan terminal, they actually have those actually in the courts themselves where they're, where they're opening, the bond, that the clerk of the court starts the case with.
And so, we we we need to get a hold of these minor accounts, and the common law custodian over all of our our, minor accounts is Attorney General of The United States, which would be Pam Bondi. There's gotta be a way somehow where we have to resend those because the judge and the prosecutor and the defender are the trustees in the court over that minor account. And if we seek hold of that minor account, then they they get in essence, we're firing them. Then we are no longer looked at upon as an incompetent, or a corporation when we are a legal fiction, I'll use that term instead, when we walk into their banks. I call them banks because they're not courts and they have to do the and then once you, once you do the accounting, over with the, securities, the CUSIP numbers and the ten ninety nine, the court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to continue. Because all they're doing is accounting.
[02:47:28] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:47:29] Unknown:
So the case, the case trustee, if you ever go to a sentencing, the case trustee is actually the judge. And he reads the charges into the criminal record. And then he finishes with, with, with the county. But again, you, they try to start you with, with criminal and end up invisible, so that they can and that's where they try to collect the damages from you. And then, Sherry and I discussed this before. There's supposed to be a J and C file, which is the judge's order and confinement, file. And, it's never signed if you ask for this. It's never signed because their fiduciary liability, to the defendant is is is is you who you were the beneficiary in these, case trust securities. If you ask for a copy of the JNC file from the clerk of the court, you'll discover that nobody signed it, which means that the defendant is in jail or prison voluntarily.
[02:48:45] Unknown:
Okay. Is Paul there?
[02:48:52] Unknown:
Wasn't it Scalise who said something like that, that all the prisoners are volunteers?
[02:48:57] Unknown:
Yeah. You are because, they never signed the JNC file, which is the judge's order in confinement. They can't because their fiduciary liable liability is to the defendant who is the beneficiary in the case trust securities, which is our minor account at TreasuryDirect.
[02:49:16] Unknown:
Okay. So wait. So here's let me let me ask a quick question. So if if someone came to you and said, look, you're going to, contract with me for me to put a roof on your house, and you said no. How could they proceed any further?
[02:49:33] Unknown:
Well, they're using their statute codes against you. That's what they're using. They're using all of their they're using what is it? The Administrative Procedures Act to try and force you into complying with that?
[02:49:50] Unknown:
Hold on now. Wait. Wait. Keep going. Keep going. So you're telling me that I can go. Okay. So can someone force you to contract with them?
[02:50:07] Unknown:
Well, a lot of people no. They can't they cannot. But a lot of people, don't know what to do in in in this case. And so,
[02:50:18] Unknown:
Wouldn't that wouldn't that go back to forced indentured servitude? You say no. No is no. You don't consent.
[02:50:26] Unknown:
No. I understand.
[02:50:28] Unknown:
Right. So then they they then it's a plea deal. So you you you you agree to the contract, then they plead the the the contract down, whatever they do. So if you don't get like Roger said, it was says the first sentence of the first page or the first paragraph is what they're telling you what they're gonna do. Just say no. Just say no. Right. It's like drugs. But I'm just telling you that if you get a, a a a letter in the mail, that you have to appear in court,
[02:50:56] Unknown:
There's, they are you're going to a bank. They're basically, you're going to a bank and they're trying to steal money from your TreasuryDirect
[02:51:06] Unknown:
minor account because you haven't Okay. You're going you're going to the bank. Hold on. You go into the bank. Can you show me the the contract, sir? You don't have a contract? I'm not gonna give you one. No. You're gonna contract with us. No. I'm not.
[02:51:23] Unknown:
I You're going to the bank. Right? Go ahead. Yeah. Everything is like you said, everything is contract. Everything is commerce. But when you ask for the contract, what you really need to do is ask for the bond and the $10.99 a and the CUSIP number.
[02:51:37] Unknown:
So then what you're saying is they say no. You have a contract with us, and you're saying I'm asking, let me see the contract.
[02:51:46] Unknown:
And they don't wanna show it to you. Is that correct? Well, they don't it's not really called the contract. I would ask for the bond. I'd ask for the CUSIP number for the bond, and I'd ask for the 1099 a, and they're gonna look at you. And I first would plead no appeal record to show the judge that, hey. No such record exists. I know you're operating under, everything is, the Commerce Clause. You're app you're, and and and the contract clause, and that's how they get out from under the Constitution. They do everything under the Commerce Clause. Everything is contract. Everything is, and you can look up a case, though. And I didn't read it yet, but somebody told me you could go to United States versus Lopez, where the government actually admits that they're operating under the commerce clause slash contract clause.
[02:52:32] Unknown:
It is really real quick. Like, when you go to prison, like you said, because they want the bomb. Okay? Like, when my son went to prison. But there was an injured party. So when That's different.
[02:52:48] Unknown:
Alright. That's all in my cell. That's different. So if you didn't I'm not sure I'm reading it right. Yeah. If you didn't, like, run over somebody with a vehicle or assault somebody or rape somebody or murder
[02:53:09] Unknown:
somebody.
[02:53:18] Unknown:
But I wanna tell you, that's the UCC. No?
[02:53:22] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what they use.
[02:53:24] Unknown:
Yeah. It's the UCC, Porto Poisto. That's Liberdad. I'm speaking Spanish to Bori. I have to practice. Sorry. Yes. It's UCC code. It's, what Roger says all the time. It's, law of merchant.
[02:53:44] Unknown:
This is Bruce. Hi, Bruce. This is if it's an offer in contract form, you can sign across that in three days, re return it to them. If you're not gonna be a party to that contract in three days, it's done. It's dead.
[02:54:01] Unknown:
Yep. You can do that too.
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Simple. You do it on Put a big ticket or whatever contract they got on they're trying to get on you.
[02:54:11] Unknown:
Put a big old whooping across the whole thing and sign in on dive, no blue ink, no contract, and put UCC1Dash308. Alright. Deserved.
[02:54:21] Unknown:
Yep. Thank you.
[02:54:23] Unknown:
Yep. But it has to be within seventy two hours.
[02:54:26] Unknown:
Can you do that for a water bill?
[02:54:29] Unknown:
I don't think so. I'm trying to figure out how to do I know everybody wants to do these bills of exchange and turn these, into, bills of exchange. But, what I have read is that it's unlawful for them to not accept these, but we're these people are operating lawlessly in our country. So, my understanding is that doesn't work anymore.
[02:54:52] Unknown:
Well, why couldn't you just go It does work. You have to do it correctly.
[02:54:58] Unknown:
Right.
[02:55:00] Unknown:
It works. It works. It works.
[02:55:02] Unknown:
Go ahead. Go ahead.
[02:55:05] Unknown:
I've done it plenty of times, but you have to do it correctly. And on top of that, just like one of the themes today was in, you know, stand your ground. Well, if you take it all the way, that's what you might have to do even up to small claims court, which, obviously, a lot of people don't wanna do, not because they're necessarily scared of it. It's okay. I don't have enough knowledge to stand on this or the cost or or this and that and how to handle court. But it also depends on where you send your notice. And keep in mind, when discharging stuff under the laws that we currently have or so called laws, you wanna go that route, You get to the point on your letter. No need to have a five, ten page letter. Some people have done it and still succeeded, but you understand mostly folks that you're sending it to, they wanna get to the point. What do you want done with the directions with your promissory note or your bills of exchange or your discharge?
And there used to be easier ways of doing it through the past twenty years. For example, accepted for value technically is still legal. The last big person that had done it was Donald Trump. If you have those documents done through his, maybe through his trustee because he he didn't write it on there. But whoever was filling out his UCC ones and stuff, it says right on right on right on it. And back about 02/1213, accepted for value was working like a charm. But as you know, because, oh, it's the slave system. They wanna keep us under wraps, so we can't have you getting free out of the encampment, if you will. So based on policy internal of, let's say, the water company or whoever, they're gonna change and say, oh, we can't accept this form of payment, or they'll sneak around with the terms on what payment is because some people will go to the next step and talk about speaking to payments. Well, well, that's great that you want this, but I don't understand what you want.
And you need to, you know, tell me what form of currency that you want. Because then they fall in the trap of the the species issue with, oh, we can't say this because there's no real coinage, out in out, out flowing up that we can actually use to pay, quote, unquote, the alleged amount that we owe. So it has to be discharged all day long. It's gotta be discharged. But for what you were saying, yeah, to an extent, some things don't work anymore only because some people want the easy way out of okay. One, two, three work period. I don't have to work for it. They don't really understand what the heck to do. But that's for another story. But I want to throw in there anybody who is online right now with the chat on a PC, pull up the chat window.
I put an example of a valid $10.99 a that a court filed, and you will have a look at the amount in the boxes. This one, I think, if I recall, it's from the superior court for 800 was 8, $8,000,000 or $800,000,000. And the outstanding amount, I believe, if I recall, was 8,000,000. But that's just one example. If you know how to get your paperwork from the IRS, you can get the copy that they have filed on your case. And then, of course, if you know how to use that, you can use that against them and put them in a nice corner where they're gonna wanna shut the case down because now you have the evidence in your hand regarding ten ninety nine a, b, c, so on and so forth, and maybe the OID if you get that.
And, obviously, like, the lady was talking about, okay. You need to correct this. They filed an a on you. Okay. Well, I need to negate that and charge back that amount, for example, if it's the $8,000,000,000. Charge it back to the account of source, which is your Social Security slash minor state account, and then you file a $10.99 barter because, okay, they wanted to barter with you. Well, okay, I'm bartering for the same amount. Basically, you gotta balance out the books on your end, and then you should be able to collect that $8,000,000,000 either on a ten forty one or a ten forty depending on which way you're going to claim it.
You're gonna claim it through an estate slash a trust. A ten forty one is what you need. If it's going through the quote, unquote Social Security number, straw man, it's a ten forty. But, you guys can have a look at it. Paul can probably bring it up for those who, are on the PC. If you're on the phone, there's no there's no way. I don't think you had to look at it unless you're in the app. Maybe it shows up in the app on your phone. Okay. I'll leave it at that.
[03:00:10] Unknown:
You you guys are talking about proceeding after something has been established, right, basically? But we don't we never wanna get to that point. Right? So I I think I mentioned this guy you guys, there's a a a Supreme Court case. It was called Munn, m u n n, versus Illinois. K? And, basically, it was saying that, the king of England, who was the lord of the manor and of his serfs, had full authority to run a grinding mill. And if you wanted to, as a serf, run your own, mill, you had to get a license from the king. K?
And I'm gonna read you guys a quick paragraph. It was also recognized in England by the ancient common law, certain privileges as belonging to the lord of the manner, which grew out of the state of the country, the condition of the people, and the relation existing between him and his tenants under the feudal system. That's what Roger always talks about, and he's right. Among these so what basically is a warehouse that was, running their business without a license. And when it gets down to it, I'll read I'll read the gist of it. It requires no comment to point out the radical difference between the cases between public mills and interest on money and that of a warehouse in Chicago.
No prerogative or privilege of the crown to establish warehouses was ever asserted at the common law. So, basically, the federal system has a right to regulate their federal employees and their businesses, but they have no authority over the common man, right, under common law. The business of the warehouse was that common law, a private business, and is so in its nature. It has no special privileges connected to it, nor did the law ever extend to it any greater protection that it extends to all other private businesses. No reason can be assigned to justify legislation interfering with the legitimate profits of that business that would not equally justify in intermeddling with the business of every man in the community so soon as to at least as his business became generally useful. In other words, if you don't get a license and you start running under common law, they don't have an authority. They could try to fight you. They could try to bring you in their courts, but they have no standing.
Unless you give them the authority to everything seems to say that Consent, consent, consent. These guys were were this was in '18, 1876, about eight years after The US citizenship came out. It was 8068 '16 About ten years. '6 1868. Right? Yeah. Eight years. That's all. I mean, he just he just gotta read this stuff, and and it tells you straight out. And if you're under their jurisdiction, you gotta get a license to do this, to do this. But because we're not US citizens or nationals, we have to consent to go into their businesses and then fight them in their courts. You know? I'm a look up this no, no, tell record, see if that's about.
[03:03:43] Unknown:
I'd like to make a comment about the the whole jurisdiction thing in the court thing. I've said it a couple times now by not claiming the name. I heard a recording on the Republic network a few months back, and I would urge everybody to go and listen to it by the gentleman's name, I think it was anyway, it was on the organic republic, and that's with the c k, network under additional recordings about claiming your name when you go into court. And I've actually used that process and had a a tremendous amount of success with it because I don't claim the name. I refuse to claim that all court's name if I walk into a courtroom, and there's ways to do it. And I would I would encourage everybody to listen to that recording. It was done on 05/15/2025.
It's not that long, but all this legal jargon, reading cases, having I mean, you gotta become a lawyer to really understand what's going on with legalese. And I don't fault anybody from doing that, but there's a tremendous amount of information that we have to learn. So when it comes to traffic or or any type of tickets, I've I've had a I've had a ticket at my property because I had overgrown weeds, and, I used some of the techniques that I heard on the Republic Network. And, man, it works like a charm. And, they start getting real nervous when you know things and you understand things.
So I'll yield on that.
[03:05:30] Unknown:
Okay. That's interesting.
[03:05:35] Unknown:
Gary.
[03:05:36] Unknown:
Yeah. I I certainly don't disagree with that statement. And there we got a a great example of that, a Randy Lee going into a district court. View, and, it was dismissed for false name. Stanford also has, in his abatement, his common law abatement, and he says that they have jurisdiction upon appearance. You don't even have to talk. You appear. He says they got jurisdiction. But in his abatement process, he's got a letter that he sends to the judge telling him telling the judge that he knows this. He understands this. He doesn't accept this, etcetera, etcetera.
It's a very elegant piece of writing work, and you might all wanna check that out. I yield.
[03:06:32] Unknown:
And where is that? Sam, can I ask?
[03:06:35] Unknown:
Say it again.
[03:06:40] Unknown:
Where did you find it?
[03:06:43] Unknown:
Did I sign it?
[03:06:46] Unknown:
It's it's it's in, I think it's in the matrix. It's, probably under abatements under Melvin Stanford. It's AD.
[03:07:01] Unknown:
Hey, Samuel.
[03:07:02] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:07:04] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Larry. Do you remember what Brett said one time about jurisdiction?
[03:07:11] Unknown:
Yeah. What did he say?
[03:07:14] Unknown:
He said that a judge like, you're saying that the mere fact that you appear, that that gives the court jurisdiction. That's only half true. So Brent said one time that the judge has jurisdiction to determine jurisdiction, and that's where you challenge the personal jurisdiction at that time. So I I would disagree with you and agree with you at the same time. So just keep that in mind.
[03:07:45] Unknown:
Well, like I said, Stamper, he's got a Juris Doctorate. So, and he wrote a book that's right in line with all our thinking here. He basically said, it's automatic upon appearance. Now, of course, you'd wanna object to it if you're there, but the best thing to to do is abate it and not enter court.
[03:08:09] Unknown:
Yeah. You keep going back to that, Samuel, and I do agree with that. You can shut it down even before you go to court. Even before you walk into the court, you can shut it down by the paperwork that they send you and what you send them back. First, you send them back. When the first notice you get for them, who are you? Try it. It works. Right. Who are you? You ask them that. They're gonna send it back. You're gonna get this and you're gonna get that. Who are you? It'll work Con it. Out of the court. Period.
[03:08:47] Unknown:
I agree.
[03:08:49] Unknown:
And
[03:08:51] Unknown:
You still certified
[03:08:53] Unknown:
or or what?
[03:08:57] Unknown:
Let the lady make her comment.
[03:08:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm just telling you guys that my understanding is that you don't have any legal standing in those courts until you've actually, taken over your minor account and that you need to revoke and re vest the legal title from The United States attorney general, that gives you legal standing. I yield.
[03:09:20] Unknown:
I would agree with that. But what I'm saying, Julie, is you don't enter their their court. You stay out of it. You serve you serve them on abatement. Tell them who you are, why this is bullshit. You know? And like I said, mention Swift versus Tyson. If anybody's gotta understand what that means, they don't wanna even come close to that. That that would bring them back to 1842, and that was put in the law to protect people for from commerce, and it stood for ninety years. That was one of those phony cases they were waiting to start and bring up so they could do what they wanted to do.
It was a setup case. And What also got rid of the jury at the district court level. Because until then, the those courts, those federal courts were still common law capable courts.
[03:10:28] Unknown:
What do they want? They want contract and consent. That's what they want. And that's usually what they get because we avoid would and we contract. They want you
[03:10:40] Unknown:
to agree to your whipping.
[03:10:42] Unknown:
That's correct. They want you to become the whipping boy or girl. That's what they want. Woman or man. That's what they want. And that's what they usually get because people talk.
[03:11:03] Unknown:
Who who was the, on Republic, radio, on 05/1525? What radio host was talking about the, this this process that we're talking about right now?
[03:11:29] Unknown:
So on the Republic calls let me look it up. If you go in onto the, and I'll I'll read it for you. The USA organic republic, and that's spelled with the ck,.com. So usaorganicrepublic.com. And you click on that web page, you go to the drop down bar, and you're gonna see a dish additional recording. There's a recording there. There's only two of them. It's the it's the bottom one. It was done on 05/1525. When I heard that guy clogged, the light bulb went off to me. And he was like most of us in this in this on these calls. You know, reading the case law and doing research and everything.
It's like, no. None of that makes any sense to me at this point. And it didn't at that point. And since then, the people who I have dealt with, I realized I owe nothing, not even my name.
[03:12:49] Unknown:
May I anything. Because I'm on the USA Organic Republic, and it's from 05/13, and it's Sandy from Texas. And, oh, they speak about the patent and trademarks.
[03:13:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm talking about the Ken
[03:13:10] Unknown:
Dost. I'm talking about the And that's where they patented and trademarked and streamlined the process with powers of attorney, but there is no 51525 call. I yield. Okay.
[03:13:28] Unknown:
So if you go if you go under the additional recordings, Jerry, you will see it. If you drop down the drop down menu and you see it, you will see it.
[03:13:47] Unknown:
Are you talking about,
[03:13:50] Unknown:
On Republic, Broadcasting Network site?
[03:13:55] Unknown:
Yes. USA Organic Republic. Okay. You pull that up. Open it up. You get that main page. The little two little lines there. Hit that little hit that. Open it up and and scroll down until you come to additional recording information. Open that link and click on the 515-2025. Listen to that recording. Listen to that guy. And I'm telling you, I I'm telling you all. I I I make the statement and I make this claim. I have used that, and I know for a fact that they cannot proceed without you claiming ownership of the name. Listen
[03:14:43] Unknown:
to what I just found what what you're speaking of. It is under additional recordings, and there is only two. Right. I'll listen and see if I can tell who it is. It's only it's 5 it's O5152025.
[03:14:58] Unknown:
That that's the one you wanna listen to. And I yield.
[03:15:07] Unknown:
So my understanding is that when you revoke legal title from the United States Attorney General, They actually cannot see you in court anymore, and that's what that's what gives you legal standing. The only time they you can be seen in court is if you harm somebody through assault, rape, murder and something like that where you've harmed somebody else. But, that's my understanding. I yield and thank you for that additional recording. I'm going to listen to it. Thank you very much.
[03:15:46] Unknown:
When, when you were mentioning, the Administrative Procedures Act, if you go on to RBN, you might still be able to find some, archive recordings of Ralph Winter Road. And, I have the uttermost respect for somebody that would would dig for twenty years down the, rabbit hole of the federal register because it makes it makes most people's eyes go cross eyed. But I think he summarized from what I can gather. I mean, he there's recordings that, back in 2010 and 2012 where he literally called the federal register and talked with Amy Bunk.
She was the head of the, attorney at the admin, at the federal register. And Ralph, asked her, a few questions that were really interesting, and they're they're out there somewhere. Hopefully, you can still find them on Republic Broadcasting under the archives. But one of the things that Ralph emphasized is he used to make the statement, we are being ruled by legal notice in the federal register at title 28 USC twenty seventy two. And if you if you go and look at that, it's talking about the Supreme Court and the and procedures. And one of the things that I had to go look at, and when I did look at it and I had to look at it a second time, it it it talks about, substantive
[03:17:49] Unknown:
rule.
[03:17:52] Unknown:
And if you if you connect that with the Administrative Procedures Act at title five, United States code at five five three, little b, c, and d, that is in it. That's the instructions that congress mandated with the Administrative Procedures Act of nineteen forty six forty seven that the agencies have to follow a strict process and proceedings to, put out statutes. And if they don't follow little b, c, and d by the law, that it has no force and effect. And, apparently, the only people that can hold these agencies responsible are We the People.
And Ralph had always emphasized, yeah. Right. It it took me four hours to find going down the rabbit hole for information, and and the public is doesn't have time to they're trying to make a living. They don't have time to be digging for all this information. But he had emphasized that little b, c, and d is by the numbers. Congress mandated it. The agencies have to do it by the numbers. And if they if they fail to do it by the numbers and it doesn't turn into a substantive rule, it has no force and effect to We The People. And Ralph is saying that he can't find anything in the federal register that that makes this the IRS lawful or legal.
So, and one of the other one of the other things that he he said was, at one CFR at 2143, whenever an agency does make a change and they're supposed to do this stuff by the numbers, they're supposed to make those changes behind the table of contents of their respective agencies, procedures. And they haven't most of these agencies, to my understanding, they they don't properly publish in the Thunder Register because we're supposed to go to regulations.gov and kinda watch the respective agencies and how they're going to, how they're gonna publish and follow the rules.
And, yeah, it's, it's it's, regulations.gov, and and there's this whole process of how you make notice and comment. But that's that's all in this little little, title five, five five three, little b, c, and d. And Roger Rogers, emphasizes, five five two, little a, little a, one. And that's where Roger goes to, when he's, referring to the administrative procedures at. But that APA, I I've heard lawyers, talk about that, the APA. And and the statement that they made is that it is an obscure law from the back in the, back in the forties or so that, basically, they were saying that they don't know anything about it, and they don't they they haven't referred to it. But that it's a congressional mandate, and it was something that, the Roosevelt administration when they created the Frankenstein monster of the federal register, all these agencies started to come out the quote abyss of hell and demanded and tried to tell congress what to do.
So Roosevelt got his, attorney general and and they came up with this Administrative Procedures Act to chain their Frankenstein monster, only to, you know, unchain it when they, wanted to enshane it to go and and terrorize the people down in the village. So, Ralph was always saying, use their rules, their laws against them, and it's in the Administrative Procedure Act. I yield.
[03:23:23] Unknown:
It's fine to use their rules against them. However, they change them all the time, and they don't follow them. Staying out of there you know, Ralph, bless his heart. He's a good man. Did a lot of good things, but he chased this rabbit all his life, not to much avail. He found out very late in life about what Roger's teaching. So I don't know if that's really what we need to do anymore. A lot of good people had good constitutional arguments. I've been in the patriot movement probably fifty years, but they didn't understand that they were feudal slaves. So they didn't have a constitutional argument.
Didn't mean their argument wasn't right.
[03:24:13] Unknown:
It meant they didn't have the ability to have standing to make the argument. Because they were US citizens, and that is what, five USC, dictates. It only applies to US citizens. And I will say again, the APA, Administrative Procedures Act, is in alignment with the constitution. So it runs concurrently, and by using that, that's how they shifted you into the mix of multiple jurisdictions. And, the constitution is no longer used in the courtroom. It's the UCC and, rules of civil and criminal procedure. I I'm telling you, Ed went into this last night, and it would behoove all of you all to to listen, as to the crux of the matter, and it's the APA.
[03:25:11] Unknown:
How do I find that, Sherry?
[03:25:14] Unknown:
On, USA organic republic c k. I put it in the chat, Joan.
[03:25:24] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Let me go look there.
[03:25:27] Unknown:
It has it has the website, and then just click on the top, recordings, and the drop down menu will say twenty twenty five. Click on that that and go all the way to the bottom, and it'll be the last one because it the call was last night.
[03:25:46] Unknown:
Thank you. You're welcome. Oh oh, Sherry. So is I'm gonna type in you oh, but okay. I know I'm gonna look in the chat, but in case sometimes I don't get the things in the chat. And so before you go and before I lose you, I wanted to make sure if I just had to, type it in myself, it would be usaorganicrepublic.something.com.
[03:26:12] Unknown:
But Republic is spelled with a k. Oh, I mean, I'm looking at R E P U B L I C K. Oh, okay. That was wonderful. And that was the spelling in the Johnson dictionary at the time of the the founding of our republic.
[03:26:31] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you.
[03:26:34] Unknown:
Using their system to try to defeat them is gonna take you more time and money than I particularly care to spend, but there you go. I mean,
[03:26:45] Unknown:
just Ad charges, no no fee. Well right. But you know Sam or Samuel. I'm sorry. Samuel. When they issue a warrant and they come knocking at your door, what are you gonna do then?
[03:26:59] Unknown:
Because they don't acknowledge, the You obviously have read the book of the hundreds because it talks about that in there. Talks about all the Okay. Have you have you used for doing the abatement.
[03:27:09] Unknown:
Okay. Have have you known anybody who has used it and has been, effective, with the exception of, not Terry Lee, but the other Lee
[03:27:25] Unknown:
Well who went into group was successful in the nineties, whether whether it works today, I you know? Anyone currently. They had thousands of successful cases in the nineties. Okay.
[03:27:36] Unknown:
That's all I know. I don't know anything else. Have to see where the rapid trail started. Well,
[03:27:42] Unknown:
we have more authority to that abatement with the national status, I think, than they ever did.
[03:27:49] Unknown:
Well, that might be, but you may not be understanding what an abatement is and what you're putting forward unless you understand the terms and conditions
[03:27:59] Unknown:
of what you're what you're dealing with. Well, that's what they wrote a 300 page book for. These guys have put a tremendous amount of effort into a system that worked, got thousands of people off across the country at the time. I don't know why we refused to go there, especially for traffic. There's not a whole lot to lose. Be a good testing ground.
[03:28:55] Unknown:
By any by any means necessary, I agree. It's just just another quiver and, for the bow and arrow.
[03:29:28] Unknown:
You know, I was, busy earlier, but I wanted to chime in, when the lady, I believe, from Florida was talking. In my current, civil cases, you know, I'm finding that the courts just ignore you. They, you know, they they don't they don't, I mean, I know it's failure to do process, but they just when you like, trying to go get a QSIP number or go get a a whatever, you'll send in your request, and they just ignore it. You know? It's it's it's crazy, here in Kentucky. But they will just, you know, ignore like, I've had orders or or notices, and I've asked for the findings and facts and conclusions of law, and and they just ignore it. You can you can send them 10 of them. They just ignore it.
And then somebody else mentioned about, you know, filing with the attorney general. The attorney generals, they just try to justify, you know, like, well, he, you know, He, I'm sure he knows what he's doing even if it's wrong. He he knows what he's doing. You know? So I yield.
[03:30:49] Unknown:
That's when you say, okay. So you're willing to take the responsibility for his actions. They did the same thing to me.
[03:30:57] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. I I believe I heard that as well. So I'm good I'm glad that I'm hearing more of this on these calls because I tried to discuss my cases on the call when I first joined about a year ago, and I was kinda shut down and told that wasn't the purpose of the calls. So I would always save it for the after call, and I've I've gotten quite a bit of knowledge from the after calls for sure. But now it sounds like they've entertained it on main call, which is, awesome. I'd like to form a mastermind group with this because, or not a mastermind group, but a group because it sounds like you and this lady from Florida, myself, and several other people are going down that same path with different resistances or different obstacles.
So I may talk to Paul about I wrote down some people's names and seeing if we couldn't do a a meeting after the call or our own little conference call or Zoom meeting or something to help help each other. So and I yield.
[03:32:11] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right. We have that we have
[03:32:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry. That's a good idea because I have red light tickets and things like that to go through that my, husband had gotten, and he's got a lot of them. And now the fines are all the way up to, like, $268 in you know, here in Illinois. And I sent them, like, a letter, but it didn't it didn't work, and they still keep doing it. So now I'm learning more on how to, like, get out of that one.
[03:32:46] Unknown:
Right. Is this Julie? Arlington Heights.
[03:32:48] Unknown:
No. This is Mary.
[03:32:50] Unknown:
Mary. Okay. The reason I asked is Julie said a couple things today that, unfortunately, I'm I drive a truck. Y'all might have heard me. I didn't realize I wasn't muted when I pulled up to deliver some concrete. Oh. And I'm the I'm the guy that goes, where do you want your concrete? But, but, you know, Julie said some things today, and, unfortunately, I couldn't take the notes. But, we do learn from each other. With that, I yield go ahead, Mary. Finish your statement, please.
[03:33:24] Unknown:
Oh, no. I I I did. I agree with you. I mean, because these red light tickets, like, technically prove it was that you can't even see a picture. Yes. You could see the license plate. Yes. You could see whatever. But it's like, okay. How does a camera a camera can't tell you what they're not even they're not even real. It's a damn camera. I'm not who's gonna be paying these stupid fines? The same as the car thing.
[03:33:47] Unknown:
There is well, with the toll thing, I've been able to beat that. With the with with the camera thing, I don't have the case in front of me, but I know several people who have beat traffic, infractions because it it I don't remember if they did it under entrapment or what. If I find out, Mary, I'll be happy to let you know. But they beat the traffic infractions, because, it what you know, it was they did it, I think, under hearsay because there wasn't an actual per person to witness it. So and under the, and and again, I'm, you know, I'm I'm shooting from the hip here. On the toll thing, we have two bridges that were installed, and it's the biggest fraud ever here in Louisville, Kentucky.
You know, it took them $50,000,000 to build the bridge. By the time we pay it all back, it it was gonna end up being 250,000,000. Well, now they're saying 250,000,000 ain't enough because they're gonna end up doing repairs in five to seven years. So they're wanting to extend it. It's supposed to be five years of tolls, and then the tolls were gonna go away. Well, I wrote them a letter under the, you know, the right to travel, travel and and that that's what road taxes and whatever, pay for. And, you know, they still send me toll bills. And I every so often, I'll staple them all together and put one of those letters in there and mail it to them and, you know, they kinda erase it and start over.
So, I mean, I might have $40 in toll bills, then then I'll send I'm I'm I'll mail this letter with the with the toll bills, do not consent. And then, you know, it it it kinda zeroes it out, and then they they start over trying to continuously charge me. I yield.
[03:35:57] Unknown:
Oh, wow. Let me ask you what private corporations. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Pardon I yield. Pardon me? Do you have a driver's license or no?
[03:36:06] Unknown:
I have a commercial driver's license.
[03:36:09] Unknown:
So how do you get out of how do you get it off with traveling then?
[03:36:13] Unknown:
Well, let me okay. So that's a great question. So, commercially, I do pay all any and all tolls. Of course, I pass that on to my customer. But, as far as my personal vehicles, my motorcycle, my personal truck, my personal car, in that situation, I'm I'm just I'm I'm just traveling.
[03:36:37] Unknown:
Do you have plates on there?
[03:36:40] Unknown:
Yes. I do.
[03:36:42] Unknown:
So you have a government issued plate stating that you're a you're a public servant or an employee of the government?
[03:36:50] Unknown:
Correct.
[03:36:51] Unknown:
So then you're in their system?
[03:36:54] Unknown:
Right.
[03:36:56] Unknown:
So you can't argue their codes and ordinances and and regulations if you're abiding by or or contracted into their corporation.
[03:37:07] Unknown:
Well, I I agree with you. However, it has worked, and that's why I wanna make sure I'm clear that it's there's no guarantees if somebody else does it. And I'd have to even read what's all in that letter. I've I've written it so long ago, but it it it kinda oh, I know one of the other things. So our toll collection company is not a government agency. It's a private yes. That's another area where I was able to kinda say, you know, plea you know, I mean, you know, it's and and here's the odd thing. Like I say, it's the biggest fraud ever. It it's so convoluted. I if I tried to explain it to you, it won't make sense. But basically, the government put up the $50,000,000.
Then the then they do the toll thing and they they they instill the toll, which is a private company who takes your money, and then they only take this percentage of that to pay the loan with. So let's say the loan payment is a million a month. Well, you know, they collect 20,000,000 a month and they pay a million to the government, you know, to pay back this loan. So the toll company is keeping 19,000,000. And again, my numbers are probably not exactly right, but I wouldn't say they'd be they'd be too far off. I mean, the the number of what they paid to the loan and what they keep is staggering.
And, so somehow, I I think I I I the way the letter was written was that it it's a fraud, and I do not wish to contribute or be a part of the fraud. And and again, like I say, if they kept accumulating my tolls, they would be in the thousands. But,
[03:39:11] Unknown:
but, So the government hired this corporation to collect the funds? A private
[03:39:19] Unknown:
Right. Right. A private business. Right. And they do that a lot. I don't know if it was the Republic call last night or or, what what call I was on. It could have been Roger Sales. I'm I'm on about eight different calls depending give or take. And, one of them was talking about how most of your what you think is a government organization is private like the prisons, the IRS, the Federal Reserve. I mean, a lot of these things we think are government are really private and they hire an oh, and it they're the I think it was last night. I think it was last night because the guy was talking about a, like, a state highway worker.
It was actually hired as a subcontractor, but he's driving a government truck. So if he hits you with a dump truck and and you're seriously mangled up, they can't sue the government because the guy driving the truck was a private, or an independent contractor. I remember that part of it. But yes. So, anyways, that's a great question. And, again, I'd have to read the thing to remember how it's all worded. But like I said, they keep trying to come at me, but at least I feel like they zero it out. And in some respects, some people are not able to even get their license plates renewed if they don't pay their fines.
So if they got a thousand dollars in toll bills, they have to pay the thousand dollars to renew their license plates. And a lot of people have it. You know, they just drive with expired tax. But in my case, every time I go in, they never say anything to me about renewing it. Now if I had a legitimate and I know that somebody was doing this through the David Strait organization. If I could you know, I wish we had people who could devote the time to understand how to take your car out of the system, your vehicle out of the system. I know how to do it from the jump, and I know how to do it if you repurpose it.
Because I've actually done that before in a former automotive business I've had. But I don't know how if I could figure if I could figure out how to take it out of the system, I would do that with all my vehicles. Not my not my commercial vehicles, but my noncommercial vehicles.
[03:42:03] Unknown:
So you've been working do that with mhmm.
[03:42:08] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Couldn't you do that with okay. To commercialize and uncommercialize your vehicles, your private automobile. Wouldn't you have to get the salvage title? Because you can do a salvage title. You'd have to get a mechanic to say, okay. This is I I mean, if that's what I've heard, I'm not sure if it's true.
[03:42:26] Unknown:
I use it.
[03:42:28] Unknown:
No. You don't have you don't have to do that.
[03:42:31] Unknown:
You could do 28, USC 29.2. 28 USC 29.2. Remove yourself from the program. Oh,
[03:42:48] Unknown:
well Say that again. And just and that just says
[03:42:53] Unknown:
28 USC 29.2. And that removes you from the DMV? It removes you from the DMV.
[03:43:08] Unknown:
Nice. You are the vehicle. 28
[03:43:15] Unknown:
yes. 28 USC. 29, it may be 29.10.
[03:43:22] Unknown:
It is there.
[03:43:24] Unknown:
Or And that removes the vehicle? Let me re let me re let me redo say that. It's 28 CFR, 29.2, and through. CFR 28 CFR. 29 look at 28 CFR 29.1. It says owner withdraw from the program. That's a code of federal regulations twenty nine ten. Wow. Owner withdraw from the program. An owner may withdraw from the program at any time by completely removing the program decal and changing the license plate if necessary. The owner is also encouraged. You're encouraged. You don't have to do it, but you're encouraged to notify the participating agency, the DMV, in writing of such a withdrawal.
That's 28 CFR 29.1. Awesome.
[03:44:41] Unknown:
Say those again. Say that again. The 28 CFR, and then what's the 29? So you got 28 no. You the first one, you said 29 28. No. Alright. Scratch all that. 9.1. Oh oh, scratch all that. Okay. Wait. Let me get a new piece of paper. Sure. A new notepad. Go ahead.
[03:45:08] Unknown:
It's 28CFR29.1.
[03:45:20] Unknown:
Okay.
[03:45:22] Unknown:
That's the only withdrawal from the program. Right. Can I ask you a question? Program. Can I ask you a question? How do you how do you how do you do you bond yourself for insurance? You can you can bond you. If you can find an insurance and, Progressive, I think, will bond you. Will bond you. Because The United The United States Supreme Court in in, self I think it's self b rate said you don't have to have insurance. Well, yes. If you wanna an answer. Protect yourself. If you wanna protect yourself, go and find you an insurance company. So the insurance company that I dealt with with Allstate, they said if you didn't have a driver's license, they couldn't insure you.
But I did bond myself. Okay? I didn't bond the vehicles. So you can get a 2,000,000 umbrella, it's called, for, like, $234. And it all costs me insurance code. You can bond yourself. Well, that's what I did. I mean, an umbrella. Right. Is that what you said? You don't need Austin. You don't you don't need progressive. You don't need, travelers. You don't need none of that insurance. You can bond you can get your own bond on your own property on your own person, your own bond. Yes. And that would cover it, of course. Yeah. So it also helps with litigation. Should you get sued, they pay money out too. That's through Allstate.
That's what I've learned. Right. But, again, I'm still don't know enough about that that that driver's license, which is good. That's what I'm looking for. How would you use that for banks? Would you just use your passport then for your bank identification? Yes. Okay. Okay. Let me ask you this. You said passport is the highest form of identification a person can have. Those most bank, they don't wanna accept the passport. Oh my god. Businesses don't wanna I I'm just saying.
[03:47:33] Unknown:
But Alright. You just saying. Somebody mentioned $238
[03:47:37] Unknown:
for a bond. Is that a year? Is that a month? No. That's a year. So Oh, wow. You see? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really cool. I I was shocked. It's Zumbrella is, let's say, you had homeowner's insurance and then let's say the cost some whatever happened, you could be bankrupt. Right? So for 230 some dollars, you get a a million or $2,000,000 umbrella that covers it past your homeowner's insurance and whatnot. And it also, like I said, he he mentioned to me, it also covers litigation. If someone goes to sue you, they'll cover that. Oh. It's just like a protection.
[03:48:15] Unknown:
Sweet. That is great knowledge.
[03:48:18] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:48:19] Unknown:
To the lady who was asking the question about, what I knew before, I believe it's mister Garcia just spoke up, which I'm excited that I'd like to look into that more. The best that I knew to get a vehicle out of the system was you sent a notice to the DMV or Department of Transportation, letting them know that you wanna remove the the vehicle, and then you requested what they call an MSO number, which when your vehicle is made Yep. It it it comes with an MSO number. What happens is the dealerships or whatever end up turning in your, MSO number for a, a a certificate of title, by the way. You don't even own your vehicle. It's a certificate of title. And then, and then from that point on, you're you're you're you're now in the system. So, to the best of my knowledge prior to what I've learned today, which is amazing, I was I if if and when I went to do it, that was the system I was gonna use. Now I used to have an automotive business where we took a car and we would customize it into another type of a car.
And we would end up taking let's say, you we took an Infiniti q 45 q 35 or g 35, and all we would have left is the rolling chassis. Sometimes we wouldn't even use the power plant. And then we built a fiberglass body around it, and it became a a a whole different car. In fact, if you ever wanna see one, go on suicide squad. It was the joker's car in suicide squad. But we were they were called Vadors, v a d o r. Anyways, my point being is is that,
[03:50:26] Unknown:
we, talking about this the MSO number.
[03:50:30] Unknown:
Right. So what we would do is when we got done, that car was no longer, an Infiniti. And and, you know, it it it you know, we no longer, use the VIN number. And so we would apply, and and they would send us an MSO number for that vehicle. Now I didn't know what I know now because we were dumb when we built one of those cars and I could like, let's say you had us build one. We built one for Shaquille O'Neal. Well, when you get done building that car, we got the, I give you the MSO number, and and my and my and my and my suggestion was to go to go register your car. Now I know totally now I know totally different. I would never ever do that. But So when you receive that MSO number,
[03:51:28] Unknown:
they would have no jurisdiction. They couldn't touch that vehicle because when you register it, you give the authority away. So they can never touch that right. Okay. And and so I used to also own a motorcycle dealership.
[03:51:42] Unknown:
And believe it or not, every motorcycle we got in and, again, this is before I you know, if I knew then what I know now, we would get these motorcycles in, and, it was an Indian motorcycle, and, we would get these motorcycles in. They came with the MSO number. And immediately, every Wednesday, I would go down with the new inventory and register. Like, I'm Okay. You know, I it you have no like, you ever see that guy who hits his head and said I coulda had a VA? Yep. Yep. Yep. I would've never your name? Paul.
[03:52:24] Unknown:
Paul. Paul. Okay. Paul, let me ask you something. How do you get the MSO number from the DMV?
[03:52:31] Unknown:
I need to go I you gotta give me a little bit because it's been forever since we've done that. But Okay. We we we we sent a notice. And, again, this is before I'm even a part of all these groups like the organic republic and whatever. This is back when I was just Joe Lunchbox. And, Okay. Okay. So the more I hear about this, the more I'm like, what an idiot I was. But, but what we would do is, we would we and and I'm gonna I'm gonna call to find out because I didn't really handle a lot of that back in the day. But, what we would do is we would file some kind of a form, and I need to find out what it is because, you know, we would we would turn in the old information. Hey. We took this rolling chassis, and let's say it was a g 35 Infiniti.
And we just use the mainframe of the body, and we we, you know because even though we may use the same upholstery, we reupholstered it. You know, if we use the same power plant, we rebuilt it. We put superchargers on it. That kind of thing. Whatever we did, you know, and a lot of times, we didn't use the same power plant. The guy wanted a Right. A big a bigger motor or or or something or, go from a five speed to a six speed. Yeah. Yeah. You can't do that. Done Mhmm. Yeah. So when we got done, we would turn in the old information and say we request an MSO number, and I can't remember how long it took. It took three days, could took three weeks. We would get the MSO number of the car, and then we would put that with all with all we would put that with all our documentation.
And when we delivered the car, the the customer picked up the car. We we would tell them to go register. We wouldn't even register it for them, you know, like we do with the motorcycles.
[03:54:35] Unknown:
We wouldn't register it for them. Right. The manufacturer's statement of origin is what that is. That's correct. Yes. Right. So that is basically and this was told to me, it's the birth certificate.
[03:54:48] Unknown:
It's the original birth certificate. Right. Absolutely. That's what they did on the line. If if if you if you have the luxury to buy a new vehicle and order it or catch the vehicle before it gets to the dealership, you can demand that The statement not register it, and you can request the MSO.
[03:55:11] Unknown:
Right. Right. That's yeah. You buy a brand new one. But how do you get it for your vehicles
[03:55:16] Unknown:
that you already have? You don't know yet. I I have to go back. That's been years ago, and, I'd have to go back and and and and check the process. We might have done what what the gentleman just said a few minutes ago and used that 29 CFR. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Will find out. And give me, you know, give me a little time, and I'll find out. And I'll mention it on the main call, and then we can discuss it after the call. Well, this is where they get us We did that multiple times. I mean, we built forty forty plus of those cars.
So it wasn't like we just did it one time.
[03:55:54] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And every time they would send you an MSO and you would sit there and register, it's a legal document for new vehicles similar to a birth certificate showing its origin and information for registration. Correct. Yeah. And that's what it says. Yeah. So okay. So I'm gonna have to call my DMV and see what the deal is.
[03:56:16] Unknown:
And you know what? I'll bet you because, like I said, I was not part of any of these groups, and I didn't know what I didn't know. I'll bet you this guy, that worked with us, I'll bet you he just called the DMV or the Department of Transportation or someone and new. You know? What what what, you know, what form to fill out and, you know, how the process works and all that stuff.
[03:56:45] Unknown:
Well, a lot of people don't I don't know. A lot of people don't know. Don't. Absolutely. That's why we you know, they wanna keep us working, our heads down, and don't ask questions. They don't want people to join together and have a group of ideas that can be exchanged. You see what I'm saying? And here Yes. You've offered something that's very important to me. And I've been I I was trying to get past this first, and I was gonna hit that next. There's another guy in Texas. Can't think of his name. I got some of his stuff, though, and it's really David Strait, maybe? No. Not David Strait. He he wears that hat. You think of his name.
Anyways, he was he put a regular plate that said don't tread on me and was Oh, yeah. I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah. What's his name? I got I got all of his information, actually. Let me see if I could find him for traveling. So, Rick Rick Martin. That's it. Rick Martin. Yeah. I know Rick Martin.
[03:57:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, you know him? You talk to him? I mean, not personally. I mean, we've Rick and I have had many conversations.
[03:57:50] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. So he's in Austin, Texas, right, or something?
[03:57:53] Unknown:
Well He's in The last time I knew, he was traveling about. But either way, it doesn't matter.
[03:57:59] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. So you talked to him. Alright. So he would have been able to help you through that too. You know? I take one step at a time. He has, like, a notice. As soon as you get pulled over, basically, he's like, here. I'm giving you you've been noticed. And I I like that. Because right away, they're trying to contract you. Well, here's the contract guy who wanna contract. And that kinda stops him right there in the tracks. But they continue on, and then, you know, he he he has all his documents. Miranda, Miller, Snyder versus Cullen, Chicago Coach Motor, versus Chicago, all of them. And and and he explains how people are motor vehicle means, conveyance, propelling drawn by mechanical power for use for commercial purposes on highways and transportation of passengers and passengers in prod property.
So there's a difference between traveler the term traveler is usually construed to broad general okay. That sounded oh, so as to include all those who rightfully use the highway vivatically when being reimbursed for expenses and who occasionally to pass over them for purposes of business convenience of pleasure. Fabulous. One who passes from place to place for whether for pleasure, instruction, business, or health. So you have a right to life living for too soon and happiness. You can still do business. You don't have to do commerce, which is something that's making tax. Right. Okay.
[03:59:25] Unknown:
I can't get the right one here, but go on. I wanna throw I wanna throw something out there again, and this is gonna be my new mission statement. So I've been very fortunate to be a part of a lot of opportunities in life. And, you know, I I don't agree with everyone, but there's certain things I've heard from, you know, David Strait that I agree with. There's certain things I've heard from Ann Yvonne Wright. You know, there's certain things from Roger Sales. And, and I often thought, you know, like, why are we not really making America great? We're making it better. We're we might even be making it good. But there's a book called From Good to Great, you know, and it talks about, you know, the guy who plays golf professionally, the guy who goes home with the $200,000 purse, and the guy home that goes home with the 10 $2,000,000 purse doesn't have to be 10 times better.
He might win by one stroke. You know? But I often thought, you know, my skill that I really bring to the table is my opportunity to work with a lot of different venues and a lot of different people who like celebrity type status. And I I've said this before, and I get the deer in the headlight look every time. The only person that that actually took me a little serious was the David Strait team, and it's unfortunate he got very ill and passed away. But I could take this thing nationwide and blow it out of the water to to explain to people what their rights are. Now I would need people to hand them off to once they say, well, gee. I want my car out of the system. Well, I would need to have somebody. I could say, well, you need to call Joe or you need to call Sandy, to, you know, to help you with that or or whatever. You know? And, but I would need to start a GoFundMe page, and it sounds like a lot of money. But for what would be accomplished in this world, it would be peanuts, but it would take about $5,000,000.
[04:01:46] Unknown:
But I'm just telling you, I could be out there Wait. Wait. Wait. How about this? I got a better idea. Why don't you do this? Why don't you go ahead and implement it? Get it to work. Then you could say here, here is a template.
[04:01:58] Unknown:
Get what I'm saying? Well, it because at the moment, I'm so strapped down with my business, I couldn't just walk away and go do that and survive. But you are right. I could do it on a more minimal basis, but the problem with the minimal basis, it doesn't really get the job done. It's kinda like if I came over to your house with a with a a small toaster oven, and I try to impress you with what this pizza place I wanna build. That you're not gonna get the same feeling
[04:02:32] Unknown:
as if you walk in and you hear the Italian music and, you know, you you see the guy back there throwing it in the air and, you know, all that stuff. So Okay. Well, well, well, but yeah. But wait a minute. Wait a minute. If you walked into the pizza place, which we don't no longer own, and you said, hey. I want you to try I want you to try this one little pizza, and it was dynamite. And I said, guy, I want the recipe. Well, you know what? Here's the template for it, but I want a piece of the action. Fair enough. No big deal. Right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Something. You can't sit there and go, oh, well, this this. Just do it. Once you do it, I think Joe Lustig went through it. Right? Well well, the two things
[04:03:12] Unknown:
the the the two things that's a little bit challenging is, one, like I say, leaving what I got to go do something different. But number two, we need a we need a support structure. You know, if I go out there this weekend to, motorcycle rally or a state fair, and I go ahead and spend the 800 or thousand dollars to rent the booth, and and I staff it all weekend, and I talk to people. And I get now 500 people that want more information. Where do I send them to?
[04:03:44] Unknown:
Okay. But you don't have a template. No. You don't have to send them anywhere. But you know this you know what you're telling me? You're basically reminding me the story of Esther. Okay? You have the knowledge to do something. You know, don't think that someone else won't take that on. You get what I'm saying? So you sit there and yell, who am I gonna send them to? You send them to yourself. Say, okay. Look. You know, whatever. I think every anybody be more than happy. If you said to me, hey, Sam. For a $100, this is what you do. This is the code. This is this. This is this. And go for it. And when you get done with it, send me a $100. If it doesn't work, you don't owe me nothing.
Right? And you're gonna tell me that, you know, that that could create so much wealth for you if that's what you're looking for. You know what I'm saying? Eventually
[04:04:27] Unknown:
eventually, it could. Initially, it wouldn't. And at the moment, I'm not willing to take that risk.
[04:04:36] Unknown:
You know? Okay. So I am You know? But,
[04:04:40] Unknown:
but, I mean, my background with the different places I worked and people I've worked with, it could be huge if if we could get the movement moving. You know? Absolutely. I don't wanna get out. I I guess, to be honest with you, Sam, and I don't know how long you've been involved or you've got great knowledge, but the thing about No. No. No. I was messed up. I I was no. I went through Well, but but but the thing about it is what I'm finding, and you'll find too, and you you would've heard it on the call about a week ago. And and it again, I I'm not taking sides. I don't have a dog in the fight. But the challenge is is there's probably hundreds, if not thousands, of these groups out there, and none of them can seem to get along with each other.
None of them can seem to agree to disagree. And so for me to go risk my whole world to save the country and not have any support or backup, I I just can't do that. Now if somebody said, hey. I'm willing
[04:05:48] Unknown:
No. No. Let me say something before you go on. And I'm gonna tell you this how it works. I pray I pray for the forgiveness of the mayor, and he's gone after me for years. He can't never he could never Oh, I understand. And and I'll tell you why I do that. Because God put him to do that to me because I was doing good. I have no problem. Point is Yeah. If if this not doesn't concern you, you don't put too much attention to it. Right? And he's gonna bring the right people to do whatever he needs to be get done. And as he's brought here for a reason. Everybody's brought here for a reason. Everybody has something to contribute. And that's where you have to stay like yourself. Everybody has to kinda get along. It's like, okay. Whatever. I don't care how you you don't like the guy's hair or or the way she looks. I don't give a shit. The point stay on point. Let's let's get this done, and let's move on. Let's help somebody. Help yourself and help somebody else. And and and I just agree. Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more because, like I said, when I brought up almost the same thing that this lady did today that got so much attention,
[04:06:50] Unknown:
I was kinda shunned and, like, hey. Don't come on our call talking about that stuff. Our call's about this, and this is what we do. And then I I heard somebody chime in, and so I brought it up again. And I got kinda my hand slapped even a little harder. And I'm like, woah. I'm sorry. So from then on, I I didn't bring anything up on the call. And like you said, now there's a little door opening about it, you know, which is good. And I even kept buddy. Set this up. I even kept my conversate I even kept my conversation to a minimum today just for that reason.
You know? But, I'm actually It's the boss. You're you're right. But but it's great because I did get people to help me like mister Garcia and Bruce or is that reliable? I'm gonna get me the way I am right now right now. This is Bruce. Please take my call, please.
[04:07:52] Unknown:
Roger doesn't Roger doesn't, get anybody to pay him for his information. And you're on agree. Then you're on his call. Okay? Get your own well, get your own call, and you're driving everything you want to. But you're invalidating Roger's
[04:08:08] Unknown:
honor. Right. No. I agree. I'm just saying, if he was to do this on his own, that's what I'm saying. He didn't wanna do that.
[04:08:17] Unknown:
I wouldn't charge anybody for knowledge. I didn't I wouldn't charge anybody either. I wouldn't either. I agree.
[04:08:23] Unknown:
Okay. 100%.
[04:08:24] Unknown:
So I'm telling you right now, you need to leave. If you're gonna talk about money, go to your own call and do what you gotta do. You know?
[04:08:32] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's not where I was going with it. So I I listen. I'm I occupy the for free. I don't really care. I I'd love the freedom. I'd love the freedom that Roger gave everybody.
[04:08:47] Unknown:
Okay. Guys? Guys, excuse me a second. Before this completely devolves into a knockdown drag out, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the, the program down. Bruce, if you could mute yourself, you're causing a wicked echo back, please. Bruce, mute yourself. Thank you very much. This has been The Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com, Global Voice Radio Network, and rumble.globalvoiceradio.net. First hour is also on the net family of broadcast services. There's a bunch of links there. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. That is thematrixdocs.com.
Thank you so much for joining us. You can catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern, if not a little longer. Holy cow. We've gone over four hours today. Working on yeah. Yeah. Heading for five, so I definitely think it's time to take it down. I'm Paul from Global Voice. Thanks for being here. We can't wait to see you back here again. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[04:10:23] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Kicking off: tech hiccups, network shout-outs, and show setup
Media bankruptcy talk, receivership fears, and stream outages
Comey, Roger Stone raid comparison, and heated commentary
Andrew Weissmann accusations and Enron case references
Status change debate: affidavits, legal personality, and felon rights
Guns after nonviolent felonies; circuits and 2A rulings mentioned
Chicago gangs stat, football banter, and "We the People"
Masks, persona, and Greek theater analogy for legal status
Promises of freedom, guarantees, and lively sports ribbing
Open floor for new listeners and a looming state tax question
Capital gains vs dividends, §871/§877 debates, and Buck Act claims
Sam returns: setup to a court fight over permits and jurisdiction
Challenging in personam jurisdiction and courtroom tactics
Fee schedules, land patents, and alleged rights violations
Citing 18 USC 1589, forced labor claims, and limits of Title 18
Citizen’s arrest talk, criminal vs civil paths, and procedure
Permit fights, property rights, and land patent how-tos (Illinois)
Contacts exchanged; side threads on pet licensing and local codes
Jurisdiction nuances: personal vs subject-matter and federal rules
Doctor Shiva mention, Mercury retrograde jokes, and housekeeping
Civil Rights Act text, Elk v. Wilkins, and 14th Amendment angles
Aftershow begins: GoFundMe note and casual updates
Name ownership, passports, and court appearance strategies
Pleading, bonds, CUSIP talk, and court as commerce claims
Administrative Procedure Act focus and federal register rabbit holes
Example 1099-A in courts, chargebacks, and accounting narratives
Munn v. Illinois invoked; consent, licenses, and private business
Abatements, appearance conferring jurisdiction, and tactics
Tolls, red-light cams, right to travel letters, and private firms
Withdrawing from DMV programs, bonding oneself, and insurance
MSO/Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin and vehicle registration
Movement-building, funding debates, and community support needs
Wrap-up: show links, schedule, and sign-off
