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Today’s Radio Ranch was a freewheeling, caller-driven investigation and debate around the September 10, 2025 shooting of Charlie Kirk in Orem, Utah. We examined competing theories about ballistics (including sabots and accelerators), sight-lines, the venue layout, the lack of an autopsy, chain‑of‑custody questions, alleged drones, and the evolving legal case against the accused, Tyler Robinson. Callers compared footage analyses, weighed mainstream versus alternative reporting, and discussed what evidence would actually settle key claims. Hour two shifted to practicals: audience Q&A on firearms basics and home/self‑defense options (from revolvers and 20‑gauge shotguns to less‑lethal launchers), how to choose calibers and platforms, and first‑steps training for new shooters. We also covered ATF Form 4473, what “U.S. citizen/national” means on federal forms, passports and affidavits, Brady/Giglio disclosure, recording and memorializing calls, and where to verify government guidance. As always, lively—sometimes heated—but focused on facts, process, and staying in honor.

• Turning Point USA (TPUSA): https://tpusa.com/
• Charlie Kirk official site: https://www.charliekirk.com/
• Assassination of Charlie Kirk (encyclopedic overview): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Charlie_Kirk
• InfoWars – The American Journal (hosted by Harrison Smith): https://www.infowars.com/show/american-journal/
• InfoWars network audio/video stream links: https://sender.infowars.com/
• Candace Owens – official site: https://candaceowens.com/
• Michael Yon – official site: https://michaelyon.com/
• E. Michael Jones / Culture Wars (publisher): https://www.fidelitypress.org/
• Euro·Folk·Radio (EFR): https://eurofolkradio.com/
• The Global Voice (listening options): https://www.theglobalvoice.info/
• U.S. State Department – Certificates of Non‑Citizen Nationality (official guidance): https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Certificates-Non-Citizen-Nationality.html/
• U.S. State Department – Relinquishing U.S. Nationality (overview): https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Relinquishing-US-Nationality.html
• ATF – Firearms Forms (includes Form 4473): https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-forms
• ATF – Form 4473 revisions and resources: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions
• Open Brady List (community reporting/tracking of alleged public‑sector misconduct): https://www.openbradylist.org/
• Guns & Gadgets – 2A news site (channel hub): https://www.gunsngadgets.com/
• BYRNA – Law Enforcement division (less‑lethal launchers): https://le.byrna.com/
• GLOCK – G19X product page (representative of models discussed): https://19x.glock.us/index.html
• Mossberg – official site (shotguns and platforms mentioned): https://www.mossberg.com/
• Radio.Garden (global station explorer referenced): https://radio.garden

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She'd love to.   Boy, I'd love to. We would we would too, Alvin, and we'll hook up with you and see if we can try again here on the Tuesday   edition   of the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, your host, and it is the September   30,   last day of a pivotal month.   So here we go tomorrow,   o c t one, Paul.   And boy, are there some things shaped up over there.   So, anyway, look, before we go further, we need to   have a follow our protocol here and make sure that we give our   people that assist us the proper recognition and credit they deserve.   So you might have a full compliment today.  

You might have. Absolutely.  

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Yes. A full compliment.   We have   radiosoapbox.com,   thanks to,   Paul English, our buddy across the drink.   We have one zero six point nine WBOU   FM in Chicago, thanks to WDRN   productions   and the NET family of broadcast services.   We have eurofolkradio.com,   thanks to pastor Eli James.   We are mirrored on Global Voice Radio Network that is radio.globalvoiceradio.net.   And we're also joined by homenetwork.tv,   freedomnation.tv,   streamlife.tv,   streamlife.tube.   I'm sorry. Home network TV,   go live TV, stream life   shit. I don't know. I I don't know how you keep up with all of them. I said, oh, go ahead. Well, I didn't keep up with them today. I completely screwed the pooch. So,   yeah, we're on a bunch we're on a bunch of platforms. Our website is thematrixstocks.com.  



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That's right.   And if we didn't name you, we love you anyway, and thank you. Yes.  

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Yeah. One of those days, something's going on, man. Something Yeah. One of the it's it's it feels like a Tuesday, really.   The matrixdogs.com   where you will find the links to free conference call during this live on the show. And,   I think that's about it for me. I I think I'm gonna go and and maybe get another cup of coffee, wake myself up a little more. Maybe I'm having trouble getting started.  

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I just I'd like to go back and get some more sleep. I had one of those nights last night where,   you know, old men and their bladders. Right? Well,   they get smaller and smaller, it seems. And I had to get up and,   take care of that, and then I never could get back sleep. So I don't it wasn't too   it was maybe 04:30 or something, five ish.   Just starting to get a little bit daylight, and I never could get back sleep. So   I'd run out of my what I've been doing, though, lately that's helped me and my landlord.   She was, her her parents were doctors. And   so I was over there one day, and and, she comes out with this,   I think I was having one of those periods you can't sleep or something. Anyway, she came out with this, cough syrup. I think y'all have got it up there too. I don't remember the name of it, nitol or   something. But it's a cough syrup, and it's got, like must have, like, codeine in it or something.  

And so they give you a little plastic cap in there, and you're supposed to use that as a dosage thing. But if you're using it   to to see if you can help you sleep, you don't need to do all that much. All you need to do is a little bit. Well, I'd run out of that stuff a couple of days ago, and I didn't get out   in the afternoon, get to the get to the pharmacereas,   what they call it down here, the pharmacy, pharmacereas.   And, so I'm gonna get to do that today and some other stuff. So, hopefully, we'll get back on   back on schedule with good sleep. I've been sleeping pretty good for a long time,   and,   of course, that makes a big difference.  

Anyway, so we'll get back on track, I'm sure.   So,   Paul, you doing alright this morning? Yeah. I mean, outside of all this, those start buttons wouldn't wouldn't start, and I couldn't sleep. And so, you know, I'm I'm sure, Mercury's in retrograde.   And,   so, you know, it's just one of those times. It yes. They say in AA, this too shall pass.  

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Yeah.   They also say that on, what is that,   Maalox?   This too shall pass?   Maalox is usually for stomach. It would be something else better. Stomach. What what is it for constipation?   You know, that's,   this too shall pass. That'd be a great byline underneath the It would be. The name. It would be. Yeah. A little note. Give the farmy  

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farmies some more profit there. Yeah.  

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Things must pass. Do do, like, a Zen thing.  

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A zen thing. Okay.   Well, hopefully, it'll get behind this year. We'll get back to normal. Feel pretty good. I'm starting to feel good. Pretty day. Pretty morning.   Went out and walked a little bit because I was tired sitting in the apartment. So   I did some of that. But, you know, yesterday, I was watching,   I was watching,   the,   Harrison's,   War Room since he's taken over for Owen.   And he had Paul, you don't I I don't think you watch over there. Have you had any occasion to see   Rex Jones,   Alex's son?   No. Let me tell you what. This is a sharp kid. This is a sharp kid right here. Okay?   He's gotten really into health and vitamins and all this stuff. He's formulating all of their,   products now.  

And, he's a really sharp kid. I mean, he really is. You know? And he's he gets on there. He says, look. I'm a Jew. My mother's Jewish. I'm a Jew, but I'm I'm Christian.   I don't have anything to do with that stuff.   So, good for him. Looks a lot like his dad. Just super sharp   for a kid in his twenties.   Well, him and Harrison were on there yesterday,   and they opened up the,   phone calls.   Third hour.   You know? And one one thing I've found over all these years of researching and all this stuff, especially when I was doing it more back then looking for answers,   is when something's really confusing confusing,   and all of a sudden out of left field comes some suggestion or proposal.  

And all of a sudden, it fits everywhere,   and all the dust settles.   And it's almost like every time that happens,   you know that's the answer   because it just tells you. You know?   Well, I'm sitting there listening to them yesterday.   They're taking calls. A guy from Montana   calls in,   and he's about 70   in his seventies.   And he goes, you know,   used to.   I would hunt furry critters   back in the seventies,   and they I I I think they gave a bounty on them or they sold the pelts or   something.   And he was mentioned bobcats and a couple other critters, if you will.   And, he   said the way we would shoot them   because we were after their pelts.  

And the way we would shoot them so the bullet wouldn't go through and destroy both sides of the pelt in and out   was we took a little thing. It's not legal anymore from the feds necessarily, he said, although you can find them.   Paul has blew me away.   What they do is they take a 30 ought six shell.   I'm not sure about the grains of gunpowder,   maybe diminished a bit.   And then they love you know what a I think they call it a Sabat. Do you know what a Sabat is?  

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It's called a Sabot.  

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Okay. Sabot.   Sabot. Sabot. I've been away from shooting a long time. So the t is silent.   Okay. But   it's a little plastic thing that fits in the cartridge,   and then it holds another caliber shell in there.   K?   And what this guy said he would do   would use was a 30 ought six. I don't remember if he said 52 grains or whatever, a powder,   and one of these Sabos.   And nestled in the Sabo is a 22   projectile.   Joe, you know a little bit about this. You got any kind of a guess as to the feet per second on that thing?  

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Joe?  

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It all depends on the powder charge.  

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Yeah. It would depend on. But what   this one that he was talking about last night is over 4,000 feet per second.   Now if I'm right, if I remember right, is that a AR 15 is about 2,300   feet per second. It's 1,700   feet more per second than a than a two two three.  

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And those are how you can keep from burning up your barrel.  

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Well, all they're outlawed now because, well, because they used the sabot in this particular configuration,   the plastic goes through the barrel and it doesn't leave any   grooves, any ballistic   information. So that's why they've outlawed it.   I'll bet you that that's what was used on Charlie Kirk.   This guy said, look. I could shoot those animals. It goes in one side, and the 22 actually just deadens right inside the animal.   Just like they said, it's right on the projectile was right on the outside of the skin,   same type thing.  

Okay?   Now nobody to my knowledge has mentioned this up to this point,   but boy was that interesting and have I been thinking about it a lot.   I'll bet you that's what's going on here.   And he and here in the last couple of days, I've heard some extremely   educated, well grounded people such as e Michael Jones,   highly intellectual,   on the program I listened to. He's sitting there going, there ain't no doubt Israel did this.   K? Then yesterday, they had Michael Jahn on Alex Jones who used to be a big Israeli supporter. And he's going, there ain't no doubt Israel did this.   So you're getting a lot of those types of confirmations or speculations,   if you will,   on this thing. And now this little piece of information comes out   from a phone call in to InfoWars yesterday.  

So you can just see   but if that was a thirty aught six and it hit him on the right side of his neck,   that boy might have taken his head off that round is so lethal,   literally.   Okay?   And all you saw well, you we've all seen the we've all seen the photographs.   But I'll just bet you a bottom dollar to a doughnut   that this is what they did was use this. And I wish I could remember the name of that particular configuration of shell. He had a name for it. But he said that's exactly what'll happen. It'll go in one side of that animal. Bam. It just stops right in the body. Doesn't go out the other side. Doesn't ruin the pelt. Ain't that exactly what happened?  

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I think it's called a 30 o six accelerator.  

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Might be. I I I That's what they call   4,000   feet plus per second?   Yikes.  

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But, Roger?   Yes. I saw an analysis   by a   very   well versed shooter   who was a   endocrinologist,   I think, but he had shoot shot a lot.   And he did analysis on it, and   there's no with his opinion,   there's no way that that shot could have been taken from where,   Robinson was allegedly at   because of the angle.   Could be. It was shot he was hit from about a 10 degree angle.  

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Uh-huh. And  

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the   you know, you can say it was   this or that or whatever, but when you look at the   the strike of the bullet, and   they did have this at a thousand frames per second. I think that's what he said.   And it shows   his neck   swelling.  

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His neck doing that, Joe? Swelling?  

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Swelling. It it became much larger   than when he was   before the impact of any projectile.   Interesting. And, you know, that that lends itself to the fact that he is dead.   It it it it   it it makes everything   it puts everything perspective about   a bullet strike or projectile strike of some kind. But   his analysis showed and proved to me pretty conclusively that Robinson,   if he were on the roof, could not have fired   and   hit him where they say he did.   And I wanna know   where are the where is the bullet, where it's the bullet fragments,   etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.  

And, you know, the other question, why did she   disallow a postmortem when it's required by law? They did not do a postmortem on him.  

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Yeah.   The questions remain unanswered. Yep.  

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My my mother, I I was in the room with her when she died, but the,   Oklahoma medical examiner   still had to come up.   And I couldn't stop him from pulling brain fog down here   because it was an unintended   death. You know, a physician or a nurse wasn't there.   So   there was no physician there, so it was an unattended death. Why wasn't a postmortem pulled on him? Good question. There's all kind well, good questions abound around this case. It's a month old now,  

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by the way.   Well But that little boy JFK  

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and Martin Luther King and   James Earl Ray and   Lee Harvey Oswald,  

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Malcolm X, the whole lot of them. You'll never know they'll never tell you the truth. It's all gone as far as I expected. Kind of kind of put the pieces together, but I thought that little I was not aware of of any rounds like that. Now I can see their functionality   and why some people in like this guy that called would use those.   But, boy, it sure did answer a lot of questions to me, it seemed like. That's one path I had not heard brought up and, made a lot of sense.   So and I agree with you. He that was a little arena. You know, we've all seen the footage.   There is a little bowl, like, down in in the middle of that, and the tent was there   and had a covering over it. And if he was much higher on those roofs, he wouldn't even be able to see Charlie Kirks except for the torso down,   depending on the angles, of course. But, yeah, there's still a lot of questions about it.  

But, boy, I sure thought that was,   I just thought that was maybe potentially a big piece of the puzzle this guy brought in. I never wasn't familiar with it at all.   But I can sure see that where how all everything he described   fit perfectly in the, Charlie getting shot, at least it seems to me.   So, anyway, that was, very interesting. Yes, sir. Who somebody wanna say something?  

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This is Alan.   Yeah. We, looked at that, me and Robert   very carefully.   And from the place that they're saying from the left side on top of that cupola   above the entranceway,   if they were there, they would not have had a headshot. They they wouldn't   see him except from a waist down. That was a perfect shot.   His problem is at a 65 degree angle from above.   And the only thing that was there, we found video where there is a high   speed leaving   the area directly after the shot. A high speed  

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train?   Drone. Drone. Oh, your, your audio is real weak,   Alan, this morning.   So I don't know.  

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Yeah. You just sound terrible.   I'm just saying.  

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Yeah. Just saying. So, anyway, if I wanted to bring that up, I thought it was very interesting.   Another   new question or something in the whole picture. Okay. There was Joan, and then there was Dave. But I'm gonna go with Joan because she was not only is she a female,   she was first.   Yes, ma'am.  

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Okay. Hey. Hey, Roger.   Joe,   when you did you say his neck   well, like, well, up before the bullet hit it?   And what is if that's what you said, Joe, what does that mean that the neck welled up before the bullet hit it? Thank you.  

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No. No. It I did not say that. I said   it his neck swelled   upon impact of the projectile.   We don't know that it was gone.   Actually, we do that. It never provided that evidence.  

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Let's go to the page.  

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As it's back, you can actually see Alan, Alan, can you do something about your audio?  

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Yeah. You gotta do   you gotta do something about your audio. It sound terrible, dude. Your audio is  

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Is that bad or not? Yeah. No. It's worse.  

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Okay.  

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Wow. Wow. In the meantime, Rod  

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Yeah. Wow. We're gonna go with Dave, and I think Jeff said something there a minute ago. Hey, Jeff. Yes, Dave.  

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How about now? Yeah. Good morning.  

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I actually Did you know that Not not markedly.   Do do what now?  

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Did you know that Valhalla   is what they call the witness protection program?  

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No. I didn't know that. And and  

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and Kash Patel said,   brother,   I will see you in Valhalla.   And there's a picture of the of the alleged assassin   with his computer behind him or over his shoulder or something. And on his computer screen, it says Valhalla   or the map of Valhalla or something.  

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Okay. Didn't know about that.   Alan, did you get your audio straightened out yet?  

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I have one last thing. Is this a good one?  

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I   man, I mean, you usually, you're real out front, but you're real terrible today.  

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I  

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the cats went across my   board and press all the buttons.  

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Okay. Well, then you're gonna have to I I can't even You could understand what he's saying.  

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You're gonna have to sort that out locally and then come back because we've got Joe.  

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He well, and now Joe just got a phone ringing. Who's somebody's got a magicJack   ringing?  

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Oh, we got all kinds of stuff going on today here. That's a Jeff.  

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Jeff Hammond.  

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Uh-huh.   K.   Well, alright. We'll transition out of that. Anybody else got anything to say on that question? I think I think Joe is still unmuted. He's got more to say.  

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Well, I was I asked if I were muted, and my my screen went dark. So everything's going to crap, isn't it?  

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Yeah. We are definitely at One of those days today, aren't we? Excuse me, please.  

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I can't even, like, see the  

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Oh, okay. I'll mute you.   There you go.   Oh, no. I'm there.   I'm   got him.  

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Alright. What do we got?  

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I just like that. I think we're all monkeys today, Paul. What do we got going on? Need more moderators here, so I'm promoting Lisa.   Here you go, Lisa.   Okay.   Roger?  

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Yes. Is that Jeff? Sounds like Jeff.  

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Yes, sir. Yeah. My little,   I'm doing okay. Yeah. My addition was the term   cavitation.   That's what,   the blow up, the sudden expanding of the area around his Uh-huh.   His chest and his back.   And you it happens so fast that cameras don't usually catch it. But this guy on the video that was referred to,   he caught a frame or two where it shows a cavitation that just expands Charlie's chest and his back behind his head. Yeah. So   the shock of cavitation.  

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Yeah.   Well, I guess a small 22 projectile traveling at over 4,000   feet per second might do that.  

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Yeah. I didn't it yeah. The deciding factor is   is how much force is being pushed,  

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how much air is being pushed out of the way. I I wish that I had well, the guy calls in. I'm just kinda listening. You know? And then I wish I had listened a little closer at the front on the grains and all the stuff because he said he'd reloaded his own all his life. So   but, anyway, a new, a new wrinkle in there on something that,   well, damn it. It seems extremely feasible to me.   So, anyway, we'll we'll see. It's the only thing that makes sense out of the bullets, you know, coming out of the   the the the lavalier microphone thing. Okay.   Alright.  

But   that little bullet with that sabot,   at that speed,   well, it just could fall into place. So we'll see. I just wanted to bring it up as on my mind.   I don't know if that was what made me leave sleep or not last night, Paul, but,  

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it was on my mind.   There was definitely something going on with the lavalier microphone because,   two guys   immediately went to Charlie,   and,   one of them stuffed something   in a pocket, and then he just disappeared.   So he got out of there.   What was that that he took off at Charlie   and   took and disappeared?  

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I don't know. I was also   somewhat disappointed to learn Mark sent me   that, Candace Owens beat me out, Paul.   I'm I'm a little bit PO'd about it. You did what?   She beat me out as some anti Semite of the year.   What's going on? I was I was a little I was a little offended. I'm a have to try harder next year.  

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Okay. Is that better? Well, there's Alan.   Yeah. I got cat.   That explains everything.   Basically,   we have determined one. Yes. You are looking at the pressure wave of the bullet   and the deformation of his skull when his,   hairline comes down and tries to meet his nose.   That is the impact.   And the, exit wound doesn't appear until after that.   You can actually see a protrusion   where the bullet has already left. The bullet has already passed, but the effect of the bullet is still there. It slaps. It pulled the skin   away from his neck   and then retracted, and you can actually see the exit wound form.  



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But,  

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the actual shot,   when we take it from the back of his head and we, come out of his neck and you draw a line from that point, it's about 65,   almost 70 degrees vertical.   Meaning   that, it had to have come through the tarp of the, or the roof of the tent   and and struck him. And then there was also a drone   that was seen directly after   the shooting,   leave the immediate   left stage area   and zoomed out of there, and we actually have that on video.  

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Yikes. Well, that's very strange.   I guess we'll find out more as you go forward. But about it. You got three or four  

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in the crowd,   and you have the actual drone that's doing the thing. These other people, they could have been there for any reason. They could have been there $50 for a practical joke, and we're gonna, you know, throw a pie at him just to show up. Here's $50   to show up with your camera   or other practical things that they could bait these people there. The the the biggest issue is he didn't have a gun. There was no gun. I I I'm I'm I'm sitting here imagining his defense now. There was no autopsy, so they don't have a bullet. Right?   So they can't match that to the gun. Right?  



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How the heck are they ever gonna prosecute him? And they don't have any footage of him actually in a prone position with the rifle pointed at the, tank. You know what? I'll tell you there's something else too, is the breakdown on that rifle.  

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I   saw one of these expert guys,   whatever, Green Beret or something,   and he was showing what you have to do to disassemble that from the stock.   Well, it ain't something he's gonna do running across that roof, I'm gonna tell you. It's not something he's gonna do. It takes it's quite an ordeal   to undo that bolt or screw or whatever it is that locks the, frame of the weapon into the stock.   And that kid wasn't doing it on the run.  

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Okay. How many narratives do we have? We've got A bunch. That we've got Well, they're doing every day.   We've got the 200 meter shot with the kid that obviously didn't do it. We've got the drone   that or a high speed drone that rapidly leaves the area. You've got the two or three people that are in the off to Charlie's left   that,   one of them appears to have what could be a cell phone gun.   We've already got,   that   a,   a gun, a two shot gun that looks   exactly and it looks in holsters like a cell phone.   It was invented   a decade ago.  

And we've got,   all these other narratives. The only thing that we know for sure is Israel did it.   That's where we need to focus.  

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Well, I'm gonna tell you what. And, of course,   I hope they did, and I hope they get caught. Okay?   This could be one of those things that could really do damage to them.   And,   the,   Netanyahu's   actions that day   still   look very shady to me.  

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We can get we can get those other,   things. If it was a guy that was level with him   and it went through his neck, it came out What would have light?   Light white shirt, and there would have been other people if it was level with him.   Okay? The only way in order to get other people not involved is to raise it higher. So then we have the guy on the roof to the left of the stage. The problem is he wouldn't have had a clean shot,   okay, unless he did have some optics,   that allowed him in order to see through the canvas.   And then we have the drone, which would assume,   if you were using it for sniping and stuff, it would have those optics.  

So we have the 65 degrees. Yeah. So this is just a matter of elimination. We can eliminate   the the 200 or the 140 yard shot because it wasn't done with a three 30 aught six. If it was a 30 aught six, there wouldn't be anything left but a,   image of a, pink dandelion   because that's all that would be left.   So,  

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the quest But they threw in the narrative of the Sabot.  

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They threw in the narrative that No. No. This guy was just talking he didn't throw in the narrative. He was just making a comment on a radio show as a call and call. He wasn't saying anything.   He just said, look. This is what I've done earlier in my life. These are the results it that it brings,   and this could be something they use. That's just speculation from him. Right. But what he did was he  

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he proposed a narrative. He proposed   information   on something that would have explained why a 30 odd six did not take his head right off. Oh, absolutely.   It's all part of the disinformation   campaign.   Israel's  

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right. Was? If that's what was used, they're never gonna get any ballistics out of it because the plastic sabot   goes along the rifling of the weapon   and not the projectile.   Yep. That's why they outlawed them.  

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And they've already cremated him.  

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I guess. I don't know any of that. I just said that came up. It's new information.   It's great. It fits right into this in a lot of ways, and I want to bring it up and talk about it. Dave,   what, what's that?  

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I've heard now that Satan Yahoo   came out at least 28 times and said  

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Israel had nothing to do with Charlie's murder. Well, he did it publicly twice. Right? He not only did he announce his his death, he came out twice after that said Israel had nothing to do with it. And when this interviewer   popped that   when that interviewer popped that question on him, he was very uncharacteristic   Beebe.   Right.  

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Roger. Yep.  

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There's Larry. Yes, sir. Good morning, Larry.  

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Yeah. Just my 2 cents. Good morning.   So   I was listening to Candace Owens last night, and according to her sources,   Tyler Robinson   was never on that campus,   and he was never on the roof.   And, you know, when I first came out with this narrative,   they are saying that he confessed to the crime,   and he turned himself in, and he was suicidal.   None of that's true.   Candace confirmed it all through her sources.   She has a, like, a fifty minute   program on,   from last night.   And, she said that the real story is he turned himself in,   and this this,   this retired police officer friend of the family encouraged him to do that because Mhmm.  

When when his parents recognized his face on the news, they went to their   police friend and,   they're like, what should we do here? And he says, you better turn yourself in because they're gonna end up SWAT teaming your, house, and you're gonna end up potentially getting killed.   And so the Tyler, for fear of his life, turned himself in,   and he's not suicidal   according to Candace.   And he did he's claiming he did not do this   that, you know, obviously, he's been set up as a patsy. Yeah. Yeah. So she believes her conclusions at the end of the program, if you listen to it, she believes that this was a military operation.   Mhmm. So which military was involved?  

That's the question.  

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Well, it certainly wasn't ours unless it was underground CIA.   Also, there's a couple interesting things. You know, people say he was a genius and straight a student. He flunked out of that, Kyle.   So when, the I heard, who else was on not Cleon.   Joel Skowson?   I guess most of you are familiar with Joel Skowson.   His his   uncle uncle  

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said something very important here,   and the evidence is against that. You said that the our US military or our factions did not do this. I suggest they did. Otherwise, they would have a cover up already in place. I said maybe deep CIA, Alan. I didn't Yeah. But what I'm saying is they already had the cover up in place. They already had the pasty. They already have officials   that they had to dumb down   not to talk about,   okay, directly after causing a a problem with the police department. This came from the top of our own,   hierarchy. This this came to from the top of the chain of command.  



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Well, I think I think it came from the Israelis. They had an awful lot to lose here. These people were berating him. They called him to that meeting up in, the Ackwood or Ack whatever the guy's name is, and two or three people beat that,   Got right on top of him yelling and screaming, you gotta get back on the reservation   for Israel, etcetera.   One of the guys pulled,   one of these Jew people pulled a $150,000,000,   that he was go scheduled to give Charlie or something.   What else? There was something else. Leon not Leon, Skalson,   Joel Skalson.  

Most of you and I think are familiar with the Skalson family.   His uncle was J Edgar Hoover's assistant,   wrote all these books on communism back in the fifties and the sixties. Yeah. Cleon Skalson, the naked communist.   That's it. Lee and I found it in the yard sale one time.   They've excuse me for my stomach's acting up here.   But he said he's got a second house,   and, of course, he's heavily Mormon.   He's got a second home in the same   area or county or   Mormon district that   Robinson lived in.   And so he said the the Mormon church, if somebody   hasn't been to church in a while,   they send a team out there to talk to them, see if they can get them back to church.  

And they sent one to the Robinsons,   and he drove the team away   off the property   cussing at them.   That's from Joel Scouser   from his inside information.   Right?   So this kid wasn't the good Mormon, and the family evidently wasn't the good Mormon family   that they have been portrayed to be.   And, he was might have been bright, but he had flunked out of college. And I it appears he was in the CIA,   CIA   class. They've got some CIA   retired people that run,   programs out of that university.   And evidently, he was in one of them. So a lot of stuff coming out, dribble drab, you know, we'll see.   I think the kids are Patsy. I hope I get I hope something breaks and Israel gets hung with this.  

Man, will would that help the world right there? Yes, Dave.  

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Yeah. I heard that kid won some kind of scholarship   to an Israeli   college   for engineering or something.  

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Well, he's very smart. I mean, but he wasn't using it. And evidently, he wasn't using it when he was in college.   And it flunked out or whatever, but he wasn't the scholar. He may have been in high school, but when he got to college, these things had affected his life. No. You're talking about Charlie. Right? I'm talking about the No. I'm talking about the kid, Robinson.  

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Okay. I thought you said Charlie, they said, was a genius. I don't know.  

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I I had heard Charlie's name. I'd never watched him. And if I would've watched him the minute he started,   throwing accolades at Israel, I'd have turned it off.  

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That's what I did.  

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I I promise you that. I'd heard his name. I've always got popularity. I didn't really know what he did.   But, but boy,   any   any of us goyim that get deceived by these people at some point,   I'll give you a perfect example, was Michael Jan. I think Jan's gonna be back on my on,   Alex today and going over this whole thing and what he's reading into it.   But, all those guys. Yep. Absolutely Israel. No doubt about it. Bam. Bam.   Michael Jones and Michael Jahn.   Two pretty damn high end respectable people. K?   And a lot of other people. And what did Harrison say? His connections inside the White House or it was him or Alex,   they all say it's Israel too.  

Allen Cross your finger. Yeah. Cross your fingers, boys and girls.   Allen,   Joan is hailing you here.  

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Hi, Alan. Are are you're saying that,   Israel and The US   top secret   US fed   secret   US are connected at the hip.  

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Of course.  

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Of course.  

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So so   so US is involved   with Charlie Clerk  

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Well, in we that's speculation.   You can't say that for sure, but the Mossad and The US are   by CIA   might as well be one entity, Joan.   Throw the MI six in there too. They're they're all they all work together at those deep deep depths.   K?   But this looks like I   of course, with him and Trump being such close friends,   evidently,   Trump cried for two days after he was murdered.   K?   And, he's also attributed with getting Trump elected   with all the,   efforts he put in at colleges,   getting all these young college students straightened out and registered as Republicans   that he helped, Trump, achieve that.  

Yes, Dave.  

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I I heard,   somebody on on the radio. I can't remember where, but said that   they asked Trump, and I heard Trump say it. They asked Trump,   how you doing? You know,   after Charlie, and Trump said, I'm fine. I'm building a new ballroom.   And that ballroom I heard that statement.  

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I heard that statement with them being interviewed there. So  

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Did anyone catch the fact that there was news reports that were being made twelve hours before his assassination,   and there's no way of actually   explaining it other any other way?  

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I've I haven't heard gone into deeply. I think it was some news organizations   like with Kennedy   when the other side of the world in New Zealand, they let it out   the day of   before the murder.   I I don't seems like I heard there was some of that, Allen, but I don't don't remember the specifics.   It's ugly.  

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Looking into now, though. That's,   definitely,   one of those tattletales just like Building 7 falling before it falls. You know? Yeah.  

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Yep. So we'll see as it goes forward. It's just all these may may be some new stuff come out today on it.   They're gonna have a real hard time closing this case, though,   over at the FBI evidently like they'd like to do   because of all these inconsistencies   and incongruencies   that are showing up here.   So anybody else got anything to add on mister Kirk there?  

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Yeah. I heard that,   Charlie's whole security team was Israelis.  

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They're not. That's not true. That's been Okay.   That's been,   proven wrong.  

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Okay.  

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My my question would be how much more information   would you expect to hear in coming days, weeks, months, years of the mystery of Charlie Kirk, a manufacturing of a murder of a crime that never happened.   Whatever you saw that day, whatever we saw that day was pure theater. All that was for our   traumatization.   It was to make us believe something, and then they put out information   to where we're all trying to take this information   to make it fit the crime, but it doesn't But we're trying to find out what does fit. Who who's speaking here, by the way? I don't your voice isn't gonna ring. This is You say? Oh, it's true. And I've been Okay. Over this. You know, I I listen to all the panels, the people, the whatever. I'm all over the place. I listen to all the different things. And the one thing, you know,   it's determined,   the smart people, that it was a crime that never happened. The whole thing was pure theater. If anything happened to Charlie Kirk, if he is if he is deceased, it happened prior to September 10 in Utah.  

If he is missing, wherever he is, if he was abducted by aliens,   it happened before   September 10.   So whatever it is, they're taking Charlie Charlie and Kirk off our radar, out of our eyesight, out of the lexicon.   He's gone. No more Charlie.   This is it. They're rearranging the whole thing, and they're moving forward with their new,   you know, agenda and whatever. And now you see TPU RSA as pro Israel,   you know, all the stuff is going on. And, you know, Eric is the the CEO now. So, like, whatever they did, they did a change. Now, again, if the charter crew died in his sleep, died by aliens, we don't know. But what what I do know, he's no longer   here? He's not gonna be part of our world.  

He's on, you know, wherever he's at, Valhalla, which is witness protection or   or whatever, but all of it doesn't make sense. Do you know   that on a note, this is what Michael Jayco and his panel were saying. They're like, you know, how they took   Charlie Kirk and they transferred him from Utah to wherever, and I they've been did it on Air Force two. You know that all that's only reserved for people that are military   personnel, veterans, or military servicemen? To do that is a disrespect to every military person out there. So you think the government went ahead and did that?   Well, he might he's he had he was never in the military.  

You know? So you think they did things like this? They keep going on and on and on. They just it's all it's a rabbit hole. How long did it take us to figure out those no 19 hijackers? That two planes and kerosene getting burned down, knocked down two buildings. Not just two buildings, but seven and six   also. You know, how long did they do this over and over and over? Sandy Hook, Parkland.   Look at Las Vegas. It's still a big mystery. You think any of that what they told us on that is any true? And if Charlie Firth was, if there was a real incident, you know, Edward, oh, where's the mystery? Do you think that make up   this whole kid thing? He's on the roof. People didn't see him on the roof.  

There's cameras everywhere. Where's your camera footage of him? You know, you must have about, you know, 1,400,   2,400 cameras wherever on a college campus. Where's all the footage? Where's all the footage on the streets? Where's the Dairy Queen? The Dairy Queen isn't even open according to George Webb. George Webb went to the Dairy Queen that's around in that area where he supposedly visited or walked by, the whole thing's closed down.   You know, so nothing makes sense. And everybody that's trying to make sense of it, we just you just you might as well just be hitting yourself in the head with a hammer because you just   you know, it's it doesn't work.  

You know? Right. You're all getting put inside of it. You wanna just keep going on and on and on. I, you know, like Candace and whatnot, but what does she know?  

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Maybe she Well, she was his best friend in traveling.   She was his best friend evidently in traveling companion I understand. For a lot and worked with him. So she probably knows a lot, Brew.  

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I'm familiar with that  

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stuff online.   To just shovel that off like that,   that absolutely  

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taints everything you just said. Okay? Tomorrow is tomorrow is tomorrow is three weeks. Tomorrow is three weeks. Do you think,   this is just, like, overnight thinking? This is three weeks of what Okay. Look, Roger. I was gonna say, well, we have you're you're you're there in El Salvador or, you know, I'm forgetting where you're at. In Ecuador, bruh. I'm in Ecuador. You're in Ecuador. So you don't really you know, you're not really on your and I you listen to Alex Jones and maybe a few other things, whatever. But here, we got good Internet and whatnot, and I'm a I'm always on my app.   Here, bruh. I've got great I understand. I'm always I'm always I'm always in the information. 24 a day. I mean, when I'm eating when I'm sleeping.  



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Well, you got your opinion. I disagree with it, but whatever. Right. Somebody else was trying to get in here. Who was trying to get in there a second ago? Dave again or  

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Yes. It was Larry. With Sketch.  

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Okay.  

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Well, I'm gonna go with Lair. Okay, Sketch. Hold on. Larry was trying to get in a minute ago. What do you got, Larry?  

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Yeah. So,   there's a lot of people that are, you know, throwing up this idea that that was a holographic   image and   and all this, but, you know, that's just a bunch of nonsense. Charlie Kirk was right before he sat down and had his first interaction,   with this young young student talking about gang violence,   he was throwing hats out into the crowd like he usually does.   Yep. So   how do you explain that? Was that a holographic image throwing hats out?  

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I don't know. Some of these things could get way out there.  

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Are you sketching? That was a question.   Well, that was a question to me. I never said anything about a holograph.   You know, they have all these they   they have the body doubles. They have all the masks. They have whatever. They had a person out there. It could have been the real Charlie Kirk out there,   if we're all we know. But whatever the case is, whoever we there was no shooter that day. Nobody got killed that day. Everything was pure theater. Everything we saw from the hand signals to them running in and doing all this handing off and taking down the tent and the the the SD cards.   That was all   organized,   ready to go on command. That guy would got hand signals with their actors in the crowd. That guy had to do this. They were taking pictures. You know when they were doing that, when they jumped over the table to save Charlie Kirk, not one person was doing triage. They were all, like, going down and handing things up to each other, and people were running off like like they were, like,   sneaking off with the football.  

And then not one person, if you look at the zoomed analysis,   zooming in, not one person that's putting their hands down, bringing their hands up, putting their hands down, bringing their hands up. Not one person had blood on their hands. So you got a guy that's got rushing blood out of his mouth, and they're trying to they're not even, you know, oh, about Charlie. How about Charlie? And then there's no blood on them?   It's all and then there's no autopsy.   Nobody knows anything. The only thing you heard you only you never heard from a coroner. You never heard from a metal examiner   examiner. All we heard from was the spokesperson   of No. We are through we heard from somebody who spoke directly with the physician.  



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Okay. Robert, when Roger talks to you, stop talking. Somebody that directly talked to the physician  

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that saw him when they brought him in the hospital.   So,   okay. You got it's all fake. You've got your ideas.   I see severely discount that personally, but that's me. Other people may believe it.   We heard from Larry,   a sketch you were trying to get in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Bruce, you need to take a breath when you talk, man. You need to be like a No. It's Brew. It's Brew, b r e w. I call it Brew. You make it you sound like a machine gun. But, anyway Yep.   I kind of agree with some of his what he was saying because,   you know, it reminds me of   two people   arguing   over a lie.   They think they know the truth,   and they're actually   arguing over a lie. And I think   if if it's a CIA operation,   it's all about muddying the waters. This is how they run.   They muddy the waters so we're chasing our tails trying to figure it out, and that point I thought was very good because   here we are trying   to make the facts fit what we saw. Mhmm. And it it's it's a psychological   operation. Yep. Whether it was real or not, I I don't know. I wasn't there, but I can tell you this.  

I have not seen   one video   of   a individual   that had a phone in their you know, some some from somebody that was in the audience because everybody had cameras,   and none of those videos   came out.   It was just like a production. You know? There was no independent,   you know, audience members   posting their videos and us being able to see a different angle. It was all, like, certain cameras, and then we had the cameras,   disappearing soon after, you know, Charlie was shot. I think   it was a reduction whatever it what happened, I yield.  

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I have a comment.  

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Alright, Lisa, please.  

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It it it it sure has distracted people away from the Epstein files, hasn't it?  

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Oh, yes. It has. Distracted people away from a bunch of stuff.  

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Yeah.   And Joan was trying to get in there too. Joan was? I didn't hear him. Joan, what do you got? Joan made a comment.  

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Yeah.   After after thank you. Hey, Brew.   After Larry spoke, then Brew replied   responded to Larry. And then when   Brew was responding to Larry, he he answered what I was gonna ask him, which was,   which he said that could have been a a double,   another person with a mask,   things like that. Because I was gonna ask what if if,   if Charlie was   not there,   then who then who what was there? And,   Brew already answered that question.  

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Wait a thought, man. If   he had a   substitute in there,   the his security crew would have probably   recognized it wasn't   Charlie, would be my guess. And they were not Israeli.   That's a that's a rumor that's floating around out there. Believe me, if they were I I'd  

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I'd love to say they were, but evidently, they weren't. Okay. Two people, one sitting down there. The the story of the security team, that was a brand that he that was a security team there that he never used before. They were they're trying to say, oh, these were friends of his instead of the security company. That whole security crew there was brand new, never was on the camera on any other productions that was like their debut appearance. So again, they they put the the people they put the people in there to make make it happen. The actors, the directors, the stuntmen,   they had it all put together. This  

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I thought Pandas knew some of those people on the security  

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team. They're they're they're saying, like, if you're listening to the circuit, they're like,   hey. If that was a security team, that was the worst security team in the system. Everybody says it's terrible. I agree with that. That. Yeah. So so there so that should answer your question. Well, oh, they were just bumble the phones. You would you hire bumble the phones?   Because, you know, I mean, no. The the professionals,   professional, everything about that. Even on Alex Jones,   who cannot admit cannot come out and say what I'm saying because he got you know, he's in with it. He he's up, like, he's up the creek with Sandy Hook. Hey, Bruce.   Please  

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come out off the end of the limb, would you? Please?   You're out on the end of the  

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limb. Right.   I'm trying look. It's easier to pull a man than convince him to jump forward. That's what we're at. Alex Jones is in on it. They got their political grip on all of this. Stop. Stop. Stop.  

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Stop that crap right now. I mean, that's bullshit. Roger.  

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Okay.  

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Who's got who's trying to say something there? Yeah. That's this this is sketch. And you you respect Roger Barn,   And you know what Roger Barn says about Candace Owens?  

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I know. I've heard him. I understand.  

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She's a grifter. That's all she is.   And I I tend to believe that.   You know?   She's nothing but a grifter.  

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Alright.  

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A a a hog for the spotlight.  

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Yes. So  

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I don't   I don't respect her at all. And one other thing, there is a picture of supposedly okay. Here's the here's the muddy water   of him in a fast food restaurant eighteen minutes after the assassination   with a time stamp.   You know, it's it's just it's just,  

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Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Tyler.  

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Assassin.  

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Okay.  

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Okay?  

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So it There's no one  

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it's just muddy water. So that's all I have to say. Muddy water Well, there there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt it is waters that are tremendously muddied. Thank you, Sketch.  

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Yes, I mean.  

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Hello? Who's that? Is that Ferris?  

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No. No. This is Sheldon, and I sure am glad.   I'm not a new student coming to this channel. Well, you know, I'm not speed of today.  

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Well, me too. I don't like to get off on this. We did a bunch of days. I want to bring up that projectile and that bullet. It was important. Look what it's led to.   So, anyway, I guess we'll all either find out or be in the dark together.   Oh, boy.   What a first hour.   I'm looking forward to a completely new narrative to distract people for another week. Well, we got a cup we got a couple of minutes here, and we'll maybe we'll get into the new or Yvonne Hey, Roger.  

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Okay. Well, there's Dave and Bob. First, just real quick.  

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Since Charlie's shooting,   I haven't counted, but the crazies are crawling out of the woodwork,   shooting people and, you know, at churches and all kinds of crap is going on. They this event,   they they they want you all know everybody knows how bad they want us out of our gun.   That's the only way they can  

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really complete their mission. But but you haven't heard any gun.   But you haven't heard any calls for gun control? I haven't from this incident. Not yet.  

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Well, there have been. Yeah. There have been. Wow.   If you listen to Guns and Gadgets,   that guy is is on YouTube. Guns and Gadgets, everybody check them out. Mark Kornke plays them almost every day. He comes out with three or four videos. He follows the legislation,   the legislators   all day, every day, and he puts out everything they say and do. And,   oh, yeah. They're coming, baby. I yield.  

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Alright. They're waiting for the public to may they're waiting for the public outcry. Problem,   reaction, solution.   That's what they're waiting for. It's coming. Make no mistake.  

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Yep. Yep. Yep.  

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Well, they can't do much on the gun angle because they're they're pushing a bolt action theory. Bob, you wanted to say something?   Yeah.   We may well, you may get interrupted.   So   go ahead. We'll see.  

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I ended up digging through.   I understand.   In digging through all kinds of old folders and notes and files,   given what's coming up,   I discovered something that I didn't even remember   I didn't even remember exactly how it happened.   I found the handwritten note   that my wife left by the phone, and it says,   Catherine,   passport   office, and a phone number.   And I then dated it and put my initials on it after she showed it to me, and I didn't even know I'd saved it. That was the that that's my bluff call, and I've got a date on it. And I didn't even know I'd saved it. That was funny. That was   Alright. You never know. We better let the whistle go. Yeah.  



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Paul, why don't you come out and tell our, friends that we haven't driven off, Ado.  

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Okay. One zero six point nine WBOU FM Chicago and any other platforms in the Nat family of broadcast services.   If you are dropping off and not gonna be catching the second hour, go to the matrixstocks.com.   Thematrixd0cs.com.   You can join us on Global Voice Network,   Eurofolk Radio, or free conference call. Come on down. Yep. Alright.  

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Okay.   So,   does anybody else have any comments on that, or we close the book on that?  

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Oh, I think we ought to talk about the all caps name or something more entertaining. I think I think we can go to a brand new topic for for the second hour. Try to It'd be great. Try to re to to recover. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm  

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sorry. Okay. Is that Nancy?  

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No. It's Mary.  

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Oh, hi, Mary.   Yes, ma'am.  

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No. To this to the statement about make no mistake, they're gonna take our guns. You're not gonna believe what they just signed into   they put some heavy duty   here in Illinois on conceal and carry.  

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You just, you're about to you just won a big suit up there. I heard Barnes talking about it or you're about to on the law they passed in Illinois about,   yeah, about,   magazines,   extended magazines, I believe. Correct.   Yeah. Yep. So And the same court ruled Brown versus Brown.   They're trying. Yeah. And they they tried to overturn it. Some judge there   some judge there in Illinois said we're gonna bring it back up and brought the case back up, and he's overturned all that. So,   Barnes talked about it, Sunday night. So good deal.   Since it's finally coming   yes?  



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They did it. There's   they voted to go ahead and start impeachment   process for JB Pritzker.  

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Who did? The legislature? Impeach him.  

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Yep.  

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Okay.   Well, you know together in Springfield. Yeah. So Okay. Hopefully that's all that's all that's all that's all. Impeach   simply means to charge.   Yeah.   So he will be charged in the house. You're in your state.   And if it goes through, and he'll be tried by the senate. I believe the senate, the   other chamber,   does the actual trial.   But a lot of people think that when you impeach them, they're gone.   Impeach them means to charge them.   Then they've gotta be tried. Okay. Thank you for that.  

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Impeachment is nothing more than an indictment, and it does   not equate  

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with a guilty verdict. No. It sounds ominous, but it really doesn't carry much weight, especially,   well, it depends on circumstances.   So I'd love to see him bounce his ass out of there, though, Mary.   Okay.   We don't have by any chance any new students out there on today. How's, Mary, how's Todd? Is he back home? Is he doing better?  

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Yeah. He got home yesterday.  

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Okay. Well, hopefully, he's doing better. K? I don't know if he's on with us today. I talked to him about an hour ago.   Okay. He's not on with us today by now.  

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PT.   No. Because he's got two he's got PT coming in,   you know,   like, you know, all the setup that he has, so he's just been kinda busy. He'll be back. It's gonna, you know, slow down a little bit. Alright. Will you tell him about Godspeed?  

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Okay. Will you tell him he go out on Godspeed? Okay?   Alright. Who is the guy from? I'll say something there. Thanks, Mary. Roger. Got you. Yes. That's Larry Guy. I know that voice.  

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Yeah.   Speaking of, you know, the ultimate plan is to,   confiscate all the guns in America.   Well, they're gonna find a hard time doing that in Florida because we're open carry now.   Yeah. Yeah. I know they won't ever do it, but we're open carry now. Did you know that?  

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It seems like I did, but I didn't know what you mean Florida.  

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Yeah. Florida.  

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Uh-huh.  

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They the Santas was a big proponent in getting that passed.  

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And so With all this violence going on everywhere.   And with all this violence, fantastic. Go ahead.  

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Yeah. I think, it it was kinda pending a little bit. And then finally,   I think about a week ago, it went into effect.   And so there's a couple of restrictions where you can't open carry in certain   in certain, I guess, government buildings and things like that, but   and I think hospitals might be included, but everywhere else, you're allowed to open carry.  

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Good.   So you got your piece on you. Can you do it can you carry while you're working?  

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No. That's against FedEx policy.  

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K.  

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Okay. Well, that's good good information. Good for Floridians and anybody else. And, of course, if you're nationals, you don't have to worry about whether your state says you can open carry or not. You can carry   anything you want. You can you can drag around a 55 millimeter howitzer   behind you if you can shoulder it and drag it and feed it. Okay?   And that was was written into the constitution   by our forefathers   so that we would be able to have the same   wherewithal with with the the devastation of weapons   that any government we were fighting has taken over the country would have. That's why that's like that.  

So, hallelujah.   They'll never get the guns. These they've and that's the dilemma.   The other one's the death penalty. They're never gonna get rid of that either as evidenced by this, whatever it is in Utah because they're coming out from the start talking about the death penalty on that one.   So, who else was trying to say something a minute ago?  

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Well, I'll bring something up new.  

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Alright. Go ahead, mister Sketch. That is biometrics.  

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And, you stated that you really don't have a problem with biometrics, but it's what it leads to.   And I guess I'm gonna put you on the spot. If biometrics   lead to buying and buying and selling  

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You don't talk to them. Have a problem.  

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You you you get get you a sketch.   What what excuse me. Somebody in the background there   have a radio on or   whatever.   Sketch, you've never been to Ecuador, have you?  

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Did you hear my question?   Yes. I did. I asked you a question back. You've never been to Ecuador, have you? No. I haven't. I know that they they run off the goal, the dollar. Yes. I understand that.  

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Okay. Well,   the the   they're they're   they're real happy with the dollar,   a. And as I think I've told the audience,   we tried cyber stuff down here when Korea, the communist, was in. People wouldn't accept it. And then the next administration   barred businesses in the country from taking Bitcoin.   So there's no culture of any kind of cybercoin down here.   And,   it's just a different culture, man.   I you we won't run into that down here. Because if they tried to stop me from buying and selling Sketch, you know what I'd do? I'd walk down or go to the little town that's close to me and walk down the street, and all the Indians and the people are selling their goods right there on the sidewalk.   Okay? And that's not gonna change.  



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That's not gonna change. Support. I totally support it.   What you you just said, yes.   Free exchange of currency   for  

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goods. Well, our barter, they probably know what biometrics  

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they they've stated   yeah. Barter. Yeah. But they've stated they want to they wanna control buying and selling through biometrics. Yeah. Well, yeah. And they're talking   I know I know you do.  

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Well, I I don't particularly because I don't think it's gonna affect me, but it will affect people in Europe. They're already trying to shove that through with especially what's going on with Starmer in England. They're gonna wanna do it in America. They're gonna wanna do it in Canada. They're gonna wanna do it in Australia and New Zealand. Those are the countries they're gonna hit first because those are the ones they control.   That's where the white Christians are. That's who they're after,   mainly. Yep. K? Yep. So no. But I personally,   I'm I'm not worried about it. I doubt if I'll ever leave Ecuador, I'll probably die here, and that's fine with me. K?  



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Yep. I understand. I have a question about guns.   Real quick. Yes, ma'am. Yes. If that's okay, Roger. Sure. Of course. Do when you because I   never had a gun in my life, but I'm now a poor girl. I have to wait until my   I know. Do I have to wait for my passport to come back before I can go purchase a gun?   Or  

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No. I don't think so.   You'll what they'll   one of the reasons they don't like a passport at a gun shop, especially probably in your state,   is because it doesn't have your home address on it.   What they'll want is your driver's license that'll have address. Oh, you can go get it today if you want to, but I would suggest highly, you've never you've never had a firearm in your life.   Sign up and take a course. No. And I don't have a plan to start. Well, ask the people at the gun show who in the local area gives good gun safety training.   Go sign up for one of those and go through that   and go practice with it.  

And,   become very familiar and very proficient with it. K?   Now do you have any idea for classes?   Pardon me?  

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Do I have to have my own for classes, or do I use theirs?  

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I would well, I don't know. You'd have to ask whoever's given the classes. Okay?   But they might vary from,   from organization to organization.   But   the more you can familiarize yourself and become comfortable with it, the better it will assist you, and you will work with it should you ever get in a condition or position to use   it. Okay?   I would suggest   well, hopefully, you never have to. But you know what? There are more crimes stopped from people just brandishing weapons   than using them. Do you know what brandishing means?  

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Well, like cleaning them or  

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dropping off You got somebody and then You got well, you got somebody that's messing with you on the street late at night or something or early in the evening when it's dark. You just pull it out and show it to them. That's brandishing.   They'll get the message.   Okay?   And hopefully, you'll never have to use it, but that's the first step is the and you gotta make up your mind. If I need to use this, I'm I'm gonna use it.   You you you can't have any hesitancy I do. In your brain. If you get in one of those situations, you want no hesitancy   in your reactions. Okay?  



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And, Roger, they say if you pull it out, you better plan on using it. Well, you'd be ready to use it if you brandish it. K?  

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But, Mary, I'd highly advise,   you might wanna look at even a smaller or you're a diminutive girl. Aren't you about, like, five five or something?  

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Yeah. I'm five five. Weigh about a hundred and   twenty pounds.  

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Okay. Well, you don't wanna carry any rifle?  

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Uh-huh. Or  

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a a handgun or maybe both? You're gonna well, both. You're gonna want both, I would think, but certainly get the handgun because that's what you're gonna want to defend yourself.   You might wanna look at and you could ask the people at the gun shop,   because, my question is what caliber   should you want? You don't wanna go get a Desert Eagle 50. Okay? That's a 50 caliber. Gonna get a nine millimeter.   Well, that might not be a bad I was gonna be bad,   bad round for you.   And, yeah, I don't know because it didn't feel that   Pardon me?  



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It it didn't feel that heavy. My son comes out here on the farm to target practices,   and he has a nine millimeter with, like, a a clip.  

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Go out there with your son and start shooting it.   Go out on the back 40 and start shooting with your son.  

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Yeah. I was just scared. Nine   a nine is pretty good. My son Thomas doesn't know anything about   guns, but my son, Paulie, knows a lot about guns. He took classes and stuff like that, but he his he they took his Floyd card because of the domestic.  

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Uh-oh. So they compensated his guns. Yeah. Well, see, in Illinois, for the people that don't know, Mary lives in Illinois. She's lucky enough to want to be in Cook County. Okay? But in Illinois,   you have to go get a card from the state   that then allows you to go purchase a gun from a gun shop. Ain't that right, Mary?   What do you call it? A   some other name, floor card or something?  

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A foi   a foiD card. Yeah. You have to have that.  

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Yep. Wow. Now that may be part of your versus Illinois.  

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In July, Brown versus,   Brown versus the state of Illinois. She won her case in the Supreme Court. We don't have to have a FOID card because that's what they arrested her for. It was a domestic situation. She had a 22   in Southern Illinois,   and   her husband was saying, oh, she's firing the gun at me. She's firing the gun at me. No. It never was fired. They can tell.   They know, you know, when a weapon's been discharged, but they arrested her because she didn't have a Floyd card for that 22.   Roger. And she   bought it and bought it and bought it, and she won. So that's big in Illinois, the the supreme court rules on that. I hope that clears the way, for you to make it a little bit easier ownership.  



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So, anyway, that's, that card.  

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They won't give me when I got denied. Well, it doesn't sound like you needed it. Because I went to the anyway.   I went to the funny farm years ago, and that's what they're using, mental illness, but it wasn't mental illness. I just got really sick. Alright. Well, then what you do is you have your son go buy it for you.  

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Oh, well, you got some kind of a domestic either.   Okay. Well, do you have somebody that could go take care of. Do you have somebody that could be a strong No. Buyer for you?  

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Okay. Well, here's another. Do you have a good shot?   He he got a conditional   record.   He got his wife and dad with another man and punched the guy.   His teeth out.  

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Roger.  

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Well, you got an exciting family there, Mary.   Do you have good shows?   No.  

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I do. I I I don't I wouldn't know where they were, but I'm gonna go to,   the the Farmers Association. I'm gonna go to the Farmers Association because they can probably help me get into some kind of four h program to learn about guns. They'll teach me all of that. And then,   I'm going to once   because I my paperwork sent in to everywhere. I sent it all in.   So I'm just waiting. I just gotta save a $160   to get my two passports, and that's done too. I have a solution.  

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Alright. I Jeff I yield. Jeff, give give oh, don't don't laugh.   Jeff, what what's your solution for mayor here?  

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So   there is an item that   the projectiles  

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are Oh, yeah. Glass  

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hard   balls, and it's pneumatic c o two. It's called byrna, b y r n a. You don't need a license. You don't need a   you   know?  

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It's totally legal.   Yep. Looks just like a a handgun.   It fires either a   a ceramic ball   or it fires a a tear gas ball   that is really, really strong tear back tear gas. Jeff's got one of these.   And, I think it may fire something else, but that may be an alternative   for you,   Mary, if you're just looking for something   without having to jump through all these other hoops. Okay? B y r n a. Is that and then how you spell it, Jeff?  

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Yes, sir. Yeah. B y r n a.  

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Yep. Correct.   Sean Hannity carries one.   Yes. Sean Hannity carries it. They'll send it to your door. And it's a really neat little, little weapon. Okay? It looks just like a pistol. And it is a pistol, but it doesn't shoot, projectiles like rounds.   Now the other thing, if you want to get you know what you're after already,   nine millimeter, you're happy with.   You need to let your son shoot fire that and see if it's good for you because there are smaller calibers that you could get, Mary. But see if the what and it depends on whether he's got a Glock or Smith and Wesson. There's different kinds of nines, and I don't know what he's got. Glock is particularly good.   I like them, but they don't have a safety.  

K?   So that's another option. I was gonna say, if you can find out where there are gun shows in your area,   and you can go to a gun show and find somebody like yourself   that wants to sell their private weapons,   you can do a private sale without going through any kind of crap. K?  

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Okay. Yeah. Because I'm a national.  

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So Yeah. I know. I know.  

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I understand, but you live in a shitty state. To let them tell me what to do. I'm sorry. Yeah. I do live in a shitty state.  

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Okay. So we'll just have to do the best we can. That would be my suggestion,   for what you wanna do. Also, Glock has got a really nice   little,   very small   diminutive   nine millimeter. I forgot what the   model number was, but the storm I think the standard Glock is a Glock 19,   isn't it? Nine millimeter   with a standard seven or eight round clip.   Now you can get clips for those Glocks that will hold up to 20 rounds.   I don't know if you'd get them in Illinois, might in the future. But, anyway, those are some of the things you need to find out, Mary, and find out what is   best for you and most comfortable with you. Okay?  



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Roger. So I'm gonna have one of my neighbors  

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go and, I'll I'll call Chris Coral and his wife, Kim. They both   have the concealed carry, and he's a big avid hunter. So I'm gonna talk to him to see if they'll go with me. And then because he's got a Ford car, he can purchase it.   Well, if he will do that though because I don't know if he could illegal.   Right.  

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Well, yeah, it probably is a straw buyer. But if you're not gonna go out and start robbing stores or banks, I don't think.   So alright. Hold on, Mary. Hold on. There's a couple people wanna yak at you. One one of them is Tom Dee. Who was the other one?  

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Sketch, I just wanted to mention that there are you can go to Amazon. There are 25   nonlethal weapons you can purchase on Amazon that are very similar to the very first one you talked about. There you go. One last thing one last thing.   I think yesterday, we   talked about Chicago,   and and the murder,   murder rate there. I Yeah. About a year ago or two years ago,   I watched a street reporter   in the middle of the night,   going to the back streets of South Side Of Chicago and interviewing the gang bangers. And they were packing. These gang bangers were packing   big powerful weapons, and they they reported that there are crates of weapons that are dropped off in the back alleys all over South Side Of Chicago of the weapons they've confiscated   and just putting them on the street.  

Yep. So I find it very   interesting. How you  

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The period of this I was born and raised on the South Side Of Chicago.  

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Oh, you were? A boy the period of escalated   for years.   Yeah.   I heard, Mary. You could tell me if I'm wrong here. You know, I used to I used to have work for Mercury Records when they were in Chicago.   And, one of the guys said they stop you at 20 Second Street South, and they search you. And if you don't have a gun, they give you one. Is that true?  

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Yes.  

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Yes. It is. That's not true, Royer.  

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Well, hell, it sounds good, though, Bory. It sounds real good. No. These crooked cops, these Yeah. That's my hometown, you know, and it's not like that. Oh, it's your Chicago's your home? Hometown too.  

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Okay. Yes. I I was raised in Chicago. Yes.  

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Okay. Well, maybe Maybe two. Where were you what what where were you raised on?  

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Logan.   Logan Square.  

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You're Logan Square?  

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Yeah.   Okay.  

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Yeah.   Well, I'm glad both of you got out. Midway.   Congratulations  

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on both of you getting out.  

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Tom, you were there in the background my time, and you know what? I get out of there.  

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Yeah. I can imagine. I didn't like it when I went up there too much.   Tom?  

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Yeah. I know Tom Dean was trying to say, hey. You're asking? You don't wanna get caught you don't wanna get caught with a weapon that's been used in a crime that's been put back out on the street because they still try to pin their crime on you.   The second thing is   that I don't if if she's not very mechanically   inclined, you may wanna get a revolver instead of an automatic because if it jams up, you gotta know how to unjam it. Yep.  

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Very good point.   See, those are the things you if you don't if you've never been around guns, Mary, you gotta come in and find out which one of these things is more adaptable to you. Okay? Revada versus semiautomatic,   etcetera, etcetera.  

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And I lived in Chicago for a little while back in the back in the eighties. Yeah. We lived in we lived in Des Plaines because I was working at the Glenview Naval Air Station, which isn't there anymore.   But, it was wintertime, so there wasn't a lot of,   crime going on, but we we're right near Schaumburg and all that. And,   but we're only there for a short period of time doing a contract for the government.   Okay. That's it. Have fun. I remember  

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I was up there in the winter one time, and it was one of those storms that went through. And they put that those anchors in the sidewalks with the, like, chains or rope between them. And you can almost see somebody blowing 90 degrees off the sidewalk, man.   Not not my kind of place, I don't think.   Who else had something they wanted to say? Somebody's trying to get dumb  

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company the dumb company I work for, they sent us to Texas in the summer and Chicago in the winter. In the winter, I'm doing work.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jackass is  

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Okay. Double time. Okay. Who else is trying to say? Chicago is is that where Herve Velasquez Hold on, Gary. Gary.  

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Was that where Herve Velasquez,   you know, from, like, Fantasy Island? Todoo, where are you from? Keep playing, boss.  

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Depends. Okay. Thank you. A little levity.   Gary was trying to get in, I believe I heard. Hey, Gary.  

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No. It was Rick, but okay. Oh, it was Rick. Okay.  

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Rocky's best guns  

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Never mind. Mary k, why was Gary.  

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Would be a 20 gauge shotgun.   She knows very little about guns. She's had no training, no practice, no whatever.   If she wants something for self defense or home defense,   a 20 gauge semiautomatic   shotgun.  

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Period. Okay. I don't I don't argue with that one bit.   But she's I mean, I think she's talking about being out and need to get it. She's not gonna carry a shotgun with you, although she could because she's a national.   But, Mary, so there's another suggestion for you for home defense, a 20 gauge  

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shotgun. Say that kind of rifle again.   20 Say the name of that rifle again.  

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Twenty   Twenty. Gauge   shotgun.  

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Does it have a kick?  

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No. That's the point. Too bad. Bruise me up?  

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No. That'll be the helmet.  

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At her size and height, she should be able to handle the 20 gauge.   If she goes more powerful to a 12 or 16 or something, it's gonna   kick and hurt too much.  

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What about a four ten?   They still sell four tens?  

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Oh, they still sell four ten.   The good thing about a four ten is you can interchange 45 ammo with a four ten.  

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Well, I didn't know that. But, anyway, there's several Yeah. Go talk to your gun friend, Mary, and you can ask him all these questions, and he should be able to fill you in on everything. Okay.  

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Okay. My wife has a Mossberg   20 gauge   bolt action shotgun that she hunts with, and   she's pretty proficient with it. She's five foot two, hundred and twenty pounds.  

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Okay. Bolt action four ten.  

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No. No. A 20 gauge.  

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Oh, 20 gauge. Okay.   So, so who comment.   Okay. There's no comment from Tom, and then Rick, I think, was wanting to say something. Go ahead, Tom.  

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The the nice thing about a a a shotgun is it has a built in translator in it.   Because no matter what language you speak,   means you're in the wrong place.  

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Let me tell you what. That's true right there.   K? What he's talking about, Mary, is when you chamber a round in a shotgun,   it goes clank clank,   just about everybody. If they're bad guys, they know exactly what that is.  

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That's a pump shotgun.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Okay. Rick, what do you have, buddy?  

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Okay. I've known at least six or eight women   that,   carried a handgun   in their purse. They always all of them had two things in their purse,   a small frame 38 special revolver   and a little canister of pepper spray,   and they were never afraid to go out.   And,   you're right about at at at the house, a pump shotgun is the best thing you can get.  

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Yep.   Yeah. Roger.   Larry.  

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Yeah. So about ten years ago, I took my wife to an indoor shooting range. She never shot in her life. She wanted to try it out.   And, we got in there, and she was   kinda afraid   to to, shoot the gun.   And, it was I found out it was because of the sound. Like, there's there's some guy next to us that was he must have been shooting a 44 Magnum, and you could feel that that boom through your body   in that closed environment.   And it was hurting her ears. She's got sensitive ears.   So she ran out, and I thought she just didn't wanna, you know, be in there and and learn how to fire, you know, a firearm.   And so I,   I went out there and she was at the desk,   like, at the counter talking to,   one of the clerks. And,   and she was getting some, some earpieces.  

So we we brought these they look like earphones, and that wasn't enough.   So she stuck these ear, you know, these other earpieces,   like, made out of, yeah. Phone. She put them in her ears, and then she put the,   the, you know, the earphones on. And then she said, okay. I'm ready to go now.   And so we get back in there. Now she's never fired a a firearm   in her whole life, and, you know, she's about, you know, in her thirties at that point in time.   And so she took a 38 special,   and she was already grouping them,   you know, at a target that was, like, 20 or 30 feet away.  

She was grouping them, and she was enjoying herself.   And, the rounds that we were using were 38 special, you know, low well, they don't have a whole lot of kicks. Let's put it that way. Not a lot of power. They're not low powder.   Right. But they make them where they have,   their hydro something. I can't remember the name, and they're made to do a lot of damage upon impact.   And, but, anyway,   she,   she was grouping them.   And, the the kind of gun that we were using,   is a Smith and Wesson. It was made out of titanium. It's very lightweight,   and it has a built in laser that's very inconspicuous.  

And so you just put that red dot great laser on the target, and that's where your bullet you know, where the bullet's gonna go. Trigger. Yeah.   Yeah. Cool. So and the thing about revolvers is they're very reliable. If there's a misfire,   you just pull the trigger again. Again. You don't have to worry about   yeah. You don't have to worry about safeties because,   I've watched enough videos where in very high tense situations,   a lot of people fail to put their safety off and they ended up getting, you know, shot or shot at because, you know, you you you're not thinking straight. That's why they make a lot of these guns now without safeties like the Glocks. They're almost like a revolver   and, you just pull them out and shoot. And they have, like, a a, like they don't have a hair trigger. So it's just like a revolver. It's got a long pull to it, and that's kind of the built in safety.  

And, you know, another thing is revolvers don't jam. So it you know, there's everything good to be said about a revolver. They're very reliable.   And, if you can't, you know, eliminate the threat within a couple of shots,   then, you know, you just need to have go do some more target practice.  

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Yeah.   Mary, you probably don't know.   They're talking this gun language here if you've never been around weapons.   And I agree with Larry. Well, I understand the safety part. Oh, no. I'm a say like, I I understand all that. Right. I didn't mean a revolver. I'm talking about the difference between a revolver   and a semiautomatic.   Oh, okay.   Alright. Yeah. And I alright. So a revolver is like you used to see in the old westerns.   Bam, bam, bam, and there's a cylinder in there. And every time you pull the trigger, it goes to a new round. They're generally about six rounds in a cylinder,   I think.  

That's what they suggest that you get. A semiautomatic,   you load with a clip   where you put, like, seven or eight rounds in a clip, and it goes in usually into the handle of the weapon. And then you got a chamber around,   and then you got a round in there. And every time you pull your trigger, bam, it fires a shot,   ejects the cartridge, and loads another round automatically.   And sometimes those can get, jammed. Okay?   Not mostly, but I suggest   you   ask your friend that you're gonna talk to and ask him if he thinks you should get a revolver. K?  

[01:32:14] Unknown:

The small frame revolvers for women are usually five shot.  

[01:32:18] Unknown:

Oh, are they? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They have special guns for females.  

[01:32:23] Unknown:

Unless you get a 22.  

[01:32:26] Unknown:

Yeah. So if you got any questions, I'm sure we got some people on this call who are pretty proficient with firearms.   K?  

[01:32:36] Unknown:

Alright. Question for Roger.  

[01:32:39] Unknown:

Yes, sir. There's a question for Roger, and it sounds like it's coming from George.  

[01:32:45] Unknown:

No. This is Ed from Michigan.  

[01:32:47] Unknown:

Ed, I don't think we've spoken before, have we?  

[01:32:51] Unknown:

Yeah. Probably a half a dozen times.  

[01:32:54] Unknown:

Okay. Well, I don't remember.  

[01:32:56] Unknown:

Up between calls that,  

[01:32:58] Unknown:

that I don't remember your voice. My voice.   Okay. Ed, well, welcome back.  

[01:33:04] Unknown:

Yeah. Thank you. Hey. I,   I, you know, I'm thinking about buying another firearm,   You know, and I have a small gun collection that I bought before I became a national.   And I'm looking at this,   ATF Form forty four seventy three.   Yes. And,   question k, small k,   have you ever renounced your United States, capital u, capital f,   small c, citizenship?   And, you know, I wrote,   I wrote an email to the ATF.   They have a ATF fax or whatever.   And they said,   you should you should contact your local ATF office.   So I sent them a certified letter.   Yes. They they refused to sign it and sent it back to the post office   and have not decided to collect it. So that's not They refused? To certified mail.  

They refused certified mail? Available to sign that certified   letter.   So then I went back.   I thought that was pretty cheesy.   It is. So then I went   yeah.   So I went back and I mailed them a,   priority mail, $11.   And, of course, that was delivered and it was confirmed that it was delivered. But that's been ten days, and I still haven't heard a word from those  

[01:34:40] Unknown:

guys. Okay. Now is, on that $44.73,   there used to be a question on there, and I don't remember which one.   It says, are you a national?   And if you're online and hit it, it says of what country.   Okay?   So did you see that question? They may have revised these forms. I don't know. Well, yeah. They  

[01:35:03] Unknown:

this was revised in 2023,   the one I'm looking at. Yeah.   And,   question 19   is country of citizenship.  

[01:35:14] Unknown:

There you go.  

[01:35:15] Unknown:

And it says nationals of The United States may check USA.  

[01:35:21] Unknown:

There you go. That's what you're looking for.  

[01:35:24] Unknown:

Okay.   But now am I a national of The United States?  

[01:35:30] Unknown:

Well, I'd say that right now. I'd say you're an American national, a USA national.   I think you are a US national too because I think citizen and national are the same as it says on that state department policy statement.   Some of the other folks on here disagree with me, but I'm sure if you put US citizen or US national or American national, they you won't get any grief for it.   We've had people that went in. I'll tell you tell you the old story from Daryl,   used to be around here a lot years ago.   He, lives in Gadsden, Alabama.   And,   he a small town, and he had been into the gun shop there and bought pre guns previously.  

And,   then he went through our situation. He'd been trying to tell the guys at the gun shop about this, and they thought he was crazy.   And so he goes in there to buy, as he said, a shooting iron.   And he found him one he liked and,   and it's one of those gun shops where in the back there's a table   where all the guys in town sit back there and talk about   politics and women and the weather.   And so,   they're all back there. And he goes up and   the guy guy  

[01:36:44] Unknown:

on the right.  

[01:36:46] Unknown:

Alright. Could you please put your mute on, please? Thank you.   And so he goes up to the counter,   and he goes,   well, you're a US citizen? No. I'm a US national.   I mean, national. I don't remember what he said years ago.   And the guy says,   well, they they won't they won't let me sell it to you.   And he said, well, why don't you just call them and entertain me?   So, he calls the background check, and the guy goes, he said he says he's a US national.   And the guy on the other end goes, okay. Wait a second.   And he's looking through something. He comes back, yeah. Sell it to him.  

[01:37:26] Unknown:

There you go. So do do you remember the story whether he filled out the form or not, or did he dispense the form altogether?  

[01:37:35] Unknown:

No. I think he did fill out a form, but I don't remember. It's about twelve years or so ago, Morgan. I'm an old fart, so give me a little break here.   Okay? But I don't think you'll have any problem either there even being in Illinois.   But,   you've always got something to fall back on. Renounced your  

[01:37:54] Unknown:

Yeah. Because I mean, you know, technically,   you know, I think I have renounced my United States citizenship,   but now I have United States Of American citizenship.  

[01:38:05] Unknown:

Correct. The the here's here's the word through this on this call? Here's here's here's the word you're looking for. You have not expatriated.   You   repatriated   to the original status in the country.  

[01:38:22] Unknown:

I'm thinking I'm gonna say no to this then.  

[01:38:26] Unknown:

Yeah. I would let you know, better to ask forgiveness and permission. No. I didn't expatriate.   I didn't renounce anything. I just switched over to this other one here. And they're supposed to be the same thing.   Okay?   Do you know where I'm talking about in that state department policy statement, Ed?   There   I'm sure I trav okay. Well, here. I'm gonna give I'm gonna give it to you. Go to travel.state.gov.   That's the state department website.   And go to the search bar and put in   certificate   of non   citizen   nationality.   There'll be a number of choices that's gonna come up.  

Choose one.   And they've altered it. In some of them, it's in the second paragraph, and some of them, it's in the third.   But what you've got is you've got a policy statement there   from the state department   on these things called certificates of noncitizen   nationality.   And what the body of it says, Ed, is that, you know, we used to issue these,   but the price of paper and ink has gotten so absorbent that we don't print them anymore,   and we suggest you just go get a passport.   K?   Now in that Right. Body,   in second or third paragraph,   it goes,   according to the I N A.  

Now that's the Immigration and Naturalization   Act.   According to the Immigration and Naturalization   Act,   comma,   all,   a l l,   all US citizens   are US nationals.   But   only a few   nationals   are not citizens. That's the American Samoans.   So   in my understanding of what all the hoops they've jumped through to pull this off,   way back in the eighteen hundreds and the eighteen nineties, they had a, after the fourteenth amendment, we had the Jim Crow laws.   K? And so in the eighteen nineties, they were tested   by a progressive   newspaper out of New Orleans,   went all the way to the Supreme Court. It's called the case called Plessy versus versus Ferguson. I don't know if you ever heard me talk about it before. It's really important case.  

Okay? And so Yep. The decision of the court there was separate but equal. In other words, the Jim Crow laws were all right   because they were equal even though on the surface,   they looked totally unequal.   Black restrooms, white restrooms, etcetera, etcetera.   But underneath,   they both had a political status.   The new federal citizen, mainly black former slaves,   and the white state citizens.   So that was Jim Crow. Well, that's a big obstacle for these people because they gotta all believe as having war one.   And so they went about   ninety years,   and they had a case called Brown versus Board of Education you're probably familiar with.  

And they ran Yeah. Busing up, and they came out and the thumbnail on Brown was equal in the classroom, equal in the society.   Now we mentioned it the other day. It came up this.   And they could have just as easily said equal at the White Country Club, equal in the society.   Because what they did with Brown, Ed,   some tortured legal reasoning here, if that it was that at all,   was they made someone with god given rights and someone with federal given civil rights,   they made them the same.   Now how those two can any way, shape, or form be equal   is totally beyond me. But that is what Brown did   As proof that that was the final thing and obstacle they needed to get over or almost   was sixty days after the Brown decision,   the 1954   Internal Revenue Code went into place and still with us.  

Right. They were waiting to make those two equal   because now they can put the code in,   and they can come back and ask you the leading   fraudulent question.   Are you a citizen of The United States? And you don't know that nationals and citizens are the same thing, and they ain't telling you. And they're not also gonna add, are you a US citizen or national   at the end of the question. So there's your first level of fraud   with with inadequate,   notice.   K?  

[01:43:13] Unknown:

Yeah. But I think what you told me about this thing,   you know, this forty four seventy three   is like when you sign it at the bottom, just above where you sign, it says, I also understand   that making any false oral or written statement   or exhibiting any false or misrepresenting   identification   with respect to this transaction is a crime punishable as a felony under federal law. Well, it's just like his passport application.  

[01:43:42] Unknown:

Basically,   that basic same things in the passport application. You got a passport, didn't you?   Well, don't be scared of it. Just answer the questions. Just answer them truthfully.  

[01:43:53] Unknown:

Okay. So so I would have to probably say yes that I have renounced my United States citizenship.  

[01:44:00] Unknown:

No. I I I don't know that I'd say that.   I I don't know that I'd say that because they're both the same thing. How can you renounce   one and they're they're the same thing? You're just declaring which one you are   and not which one you're not.  

[01:44:16] Unknown:

Okay? Well, I said,   yeah. Does doesn't our affidavit say though that we, you know, we're we we wanna be a national and not a United States citizen? I think that's how we always follow along. Citizen you know, a citizen of The United States under the scope and purview of the fourteenth amendment.  

[01:44:35] Unknown:

But you're still not   expatriating.   You're now renouncing anything. You're just switching from one status internally   to the other internally they've hidden from you.  

[01:44:48] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:44:50] Unknown:

Yeah. So I don't like that. Like I'm in a gray area here when it comes to this forty four seventy three. You know, I'm a little concerned about it, I guess. Hello. I wish Mike is Mike with us? Is Mike with us today? Mike, are you listening? Alright. Hold on. Let's see if Mike's there.   Mike there? He hadn't been around for a few days. He's our guy. I have your answer, Richard.  

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Okay.  

[01:45:13] Unknown:

Chris has got it here. What is it, Chris? For you. Okay. Roger, tell him  

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about the United States Supreme Court case   where it was given where they gave three different separate definitions   of a United States citizen, and one of them Oh, yeah. To exist.  

[01:45:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, it was a definition of The United States. It used to be in black six.   I don't remember the case. Somebody I think it was William was talking about it the other day. Anyway, I wouldn't have any qualms about it, Ed, because you haven't done anything wrong, and you ain't lying to them. You're just trying to navigate around their their lexicon there.  

[01:45:52] Unknown:

Hey, Roger.  

[01:45:53] Unknown:

Yes. Gary.  

[01:45:56] Unknown:

Everybody out there, don't worry about whether you check US citizens or no US citizens on any government form   because it's fraud.   Where do they give you the other choice?  

[01:46:09] Unknown:

Yeah. True. It's very true.  

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They don't want you to know  

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they don't want you to know that there is another status in this country. Do again Do they have purpose come in here to you. Hold it in back I'll  

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Come in here. Can you pull it in background? Hold on. Hold on.  

[01:46:24] Unknown:

Paul,   can you found find out where that's coming from? Keeps talking in the background.   I don't think they shut up. Yep.   Alright. We'll start with Go. We'll start with the   about  

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Okay. Go ahead.  

[01:46:42] Unknown:

Listen.  

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Okay. Roger, they don't want you to know   if they had put US national or national,   whatever you wanna call it, American national   on the form, then there would have been too many people out there questioning,   well, am I American national or a national   or a US citizen?   So the only option you have on any government form   is US citizen,   which goes to prove the fraud.   So stop worrying about it.  

[01:47:12] Unknown:

Well If I may? People   Gary, people are so damn scared. These son of a bitches, they sit in a corner and their damn knees shake, for God's sakes.  

[01:47:22] Unknown:

Well, Roger, I've been a national for eighteen years. I'm not scared of these son of a bitches, and everybody else out here shouldn't be. Yeah. Well,  

[01:47:31] Unknown:

we try and get them in power, Gary, but it takes time and then overnight.   Alright. Hold on. We'll get to you. Question for Gary right there.  

[01:47:41] Unknown:

Yeah.   So, Gary, this is Ed from Michigan. So when have you filled out a 4473?  

[01:47:49] Unknown:

Yes.   I have. Numerous times.   Okay. Several times. You fill out Check the check the block that says USA,   period. United States Of America.  

[01:48:01] Unknown:

Yeah. No. Can you tell me? Question k is, have you ever renounced your United States citizenship?  

[01:48:07] Unknown:

You have never renounced it, period. They don't give you any other choice. Check.  

[01:48:12] Unknown:

No. K. Well, yes or no?  

[01:48:16] Unknown:

May I?  

[01:48:17] Unknown:

Just checking. No. You've never renounced your citizenship.  

[01:48:21] Unknown:

You didn't do that. They tell you how I feel, but, you know, technically,  

[01:48:26] Unknown:

we're saying we're not US citizens. No. I didn't reject anything. I just put an I just put an a at the end of it.   I'm not US. I'm USA.  

[01:48:39] Unknown:

Alright.  

[01:48:41] Unknown:

Okay. And I bought several firearms.  

[01:48:45] Unknown:

I own over 60 firearms. Trust me. I bought several firearms,   and I don't worry about that form one bit.  

[01:48:52] Unknown:

No. Do you,   do you have a passport card, Gary?  

[01:48:57] Unknown:

No.   I have a passport.  

[01:49:01] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:49:03] Unknown:

They won't take your passport card, the at the end of the day. You know, my passport card says I'm well, I'm gonna tell you something if you'll listen.   They won't take your passport card at the gun shop because it doesn't have your address on it.  

[01:49:19] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:49:21] Unknown:

K. Do you have a driver's license with your address on it?   Yes.   Okay. If you don't have that for the audience,   we had a guy on here. He went I've a while back. Went in, gun shopped. They said, we can't sell you this because you're addressing on this passport card. He didn't have a driver's license.   So what he did was he went to the adjacent counter and bought a fishing license   and had him put the address in the fishing license,   then he went over and showed him the fishing license and purchased the firearm.  

[01:49:57] Unknown:

Okay.   Alright? Yeah. See, because, you know, my I have an endorsement dot zero nine, which I'm happy to have. Yeah. I'm If you look that up, it says the bear is a United States national and not a United States citizen.  

[01:50:13] Unknown:

K. I know. Well, look. They're trying okay. Ed, let's see this. They've can you you I don't know how long you've been around. Have you gotten your arms around how deeply they've gone to hide this? Just like I went with the blessing in Brown   and all that. Okay? Yes.   So you gotta understand.   If you're the person that's looking at a profile,   say at the, at the, passport deal, they get your, application,   and they're looking up there. And they're in a box that says   national.  

[01:50:47] Unknown:

Okay? Right.  

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So they they've got to go in. We've had passport cards come back with ambassador at large,   three or four different definitions. Okay?   So it seems like to me that they just pick and choose   what fits into what a national status   would be.   K? Mhmm. That's what it seems like to me. Okay?   Alright. Anybody else got any, answers   for Ed or questions for us or whatever?   We got a couple of minutes left here.  

[01:51:28] Unknown:

If I may, Roger.  

[01:51:30] Unknown:

Alright. Danny's there. I heard that. And somebody at the same time. Danny, what you got? You got something for Ed or for us?  

[01:51:37] Unknown:

Well, just for everybody in general from your discussion about getting a gun or something there earlier.   I got a little story my daddy told that,   from when he was a policeman here in Tennessee,   probably from the fifties or early sixties,   demonstrating the,   how well we're protected   by the,   or how   well, well, how well   the some of the people were called upon to rely on,   do with guns that they're allowed to have.   And he was saying that, they got a call   that, there was a,   a guy had taken off with a truck, like a 18 wheeler or something.   And the highway patrol was chasing him, and they called ahead   to town here,   for them to go out and see about intercepting him. Well, they came upon the truck and said they got out ahead of it, and somehow they got him diverted off the highway and into the   vacant fairgrounds on the edge of town.  

And he was a good ways in, and they got out of their car.   My daddy and a partner he had with him.   And apparently, my daddy was out front   and watching the guy, and I guess they had guns pulled on him. I don't know for sure.   But,   I heard a couple of pops   while they were walking up there towards him, and his partner yelled out to him. Watch out, Murphy. They're trying to they're shoot he's shooting at you.   And he said, no. No. He's not because I'm looking right at him. He's not moving.   And if they got ahold of the guy and got control of him, they found out the highway patrol guys   because they have, like, a 45 or something, which is kind of slow, and they were trying to lob bullets over them at the guy.  

So they're the ones who shot from way behind them.  

[01:53:35] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:53:38] Unknown:

Alright.   Thank you, Danny. Who else is trying to say something when Danny was talking?   There's two of you at the same time. Yeah. Me, Jeff here.   Hey, Jeff.  

[01:53:50] Unknown:

Hi, everybody.   Yeah. I, it's sort of a semi new student here. I've been on there a few times.   I plan on going   tomorrow to the notary with my mother. He's actually interested in the repatriation, and,   I was gonna be generating a fresh affidavit for the first of the month of October.   A couple of passport questions as well.   Sure.   I got my passport back in July.   Alright. And I sent my affidavit in with it, you know, as an attachment,   but I never got confirmation. I'm still trying to do this. So I'm just gonna send the new out to David from scratch with the current date, which would be October 1. Now Alright. Being that we have our passports and they've been recently issued, my mother's was,   August   2023,   and we wanna know if we have to get new passports, go through all the process of the expenses and waiting for a delay Well, no.  



[01:54:42] Unknown:

No. You don't have to go through the whole process.   You're talking about a $160,   I think, maybe even a little bit more. But what you would want to get, I would think,   is to get at least a $30   passport card. Because even though you've got a passport to still have eight years left,   you can still send in your affidavit and attach it and order another card,   and you can still keep your book and you don't have to come out of the pocket on all those funds.   K? You only need the passport   we'll we'll probably only need the passport book to travel internationally.   You can travel to Canada, Texas.  

Okay. I'll shut up. Go ahead.  

[01:55:25] Unknown:

That'll be reconfigured  

[01:55:26] Unknown:

automatically at the state department to reflect your new status? No. No. No. No. No. Because what you're talking about now is legal personalities.   When you contracted with them to give you a passport, which identified you the first time, last time, you didn't put an affidavit in there. So they took the   you did?   I did, but I never got confirmation. That's why I'm just going for assurance. My mother lived, she did not. I promise you. I promise you. It's there. But if you're antsy about it, go do a privacy request. It's very similar to a FOIA.   You can find instructions online.  

And because it's you, you're asking about your personal file   and what's in your file,   and the I guarantee you it'll be there.  

[01:56:14] Unknown:

I tried that. I wasn't very successful. It might have been in a wrong turn or something, but I end up talking to somebody on the phone, and they said give them thirty days.  

[01:56:23] Unknown:

Okay.   Well, then then I'd wait a little bit. But I when you get that back, I guarantee you it'll be in there. K?   If it's done, I'll be totally shocked.   Alright? And the reason we've had   we had one of our students that was antsy like that about a couple years ago, New Yorker, moved down to Orlando. I think his name was Dave.   He called in to the passport office, left a message. Nice guy called him back.   You probably haven't heard this story.   And and Dave goes, well, look. I'm just anxious to know if I'm a national.   And so the guy pulls up his profile and he goes,   oh, yeah. Yeah. You're a national. And then he sees his affidavit,   and he pulls up the affidavit and starts reading it. And he goes,   wow. This is really good.  

And he said, we don't have any problem filing these one page affidavits.   It's those 31 page books we get   that get shoved to the back of the desk.   That's David Strait.   And then he said this.   He said, you know, we're getting so many of these that they're having special classes for the employees   on how to process them correctly   straight from the passport office.  

[01:57:44] Unknown:

Yeah. This,   this new this new,   affidavit I plan on,   resetting, I'm gonna have maybe strengthen my cover letter   and provide a prepaid envelope so they can return a copy  

[01:57:56] Unknown:

of their receipt. No. No way.   I think what happens is because they say they will receive   return your citizenship   evidence, passport,   birth certificate under separate cover.   But it seems that they will if it's an original,   they'll return it. If it's a copy, they don't.  

[01:58:18] Unknown:

Okay. As long as they keep something on file.  

[01:58:21] Unknown:

I I you know, I know everybody's skeptical that you got every reason to be, but that's our experience over many years, Jeff. Where where are you in the country?   Pennsylvania.   Okay. And how you've been hanging around a little bit. How'd you find us?  

[01:58:38] Unknown:

I found I found I heard I found your name. It was on the comment section of a Rumble channel called the Asheville Assembly, which is a committee of safety, which we're part of a committee of safety here in Allegheny County, which is, you know, North Pittsburgh.   Right. I was just looking around because the video was on repatriation, but it was one of those 30 page jobs. There's deals along way to run. Yeah. Yeah. David Straiton. And somebody said, why not check out Roger Sills?  

[01:59:03] Unknown:

There you go. And here you are. Well, Jeff, come back and visit us because we're about to end the program here on the broadcast side. If you wanna stay around and ask the group here any questions, say, stay on here for unbelievable amounts of time. I gotta jet out real quick today because I gotta go over and do something before one.   But, anyway, hopefully, we'll get to speak with you and see you again soon. If you got questions, come back. Audience, we'll be back tomorrow. Mark may be with us. See you then.  

[01:59:31] Unknown:

Thank you very much.  

[01:59:32] Unknown:

You're welcome, Jeff. Nice to meet you.  

[01:59:35] Unknown:

That about it does for Well Pew Pew Tuesday on the Radio Ranch.  

[01:59:40] Unknown:

Oh, Paul's adding his little button up here.   So otherwise, everybody, thanks. Interesting program today. We'll see what other   things develop as the day goes along.   But I trust all of you will have a wonderful day.   And, we'll Roger. See about tomorrow. Yes, sir. There's Larry. Larry, are you working up on your   IRS deal?  

[02:00:03] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll be ready in a day or two.   Okay.   But,   speaking of the,   the 40 is it the 4473,   the ATF?   Yeah. So I did a little research while you were talking with that other gentleman,   and I found some interesting facts.   I was looking at the form and the instructions. And   one of the important things we need to understand when it comes to these government forms, you should always read the instructions because there's gonna be a lot of answers   to your questions in the instructions themselves.   Anyway,   question number 19 says this on the on the, ATF form.   Country of citizenship,   and then in parenthesis, it says check   slash list   more than one,   if applicable.  

Nationals of The United States may check USA,   and then there's two check boxes.   It says United States Of America, and then parenthesis, it says USA,   And then it says other countries slash countries   specify.   And obviously, whether you're a US citizen or a national, you're gonna check The United States Of America because that's the country.   And, and then 21 k says, have you ever renounced your United States citizen? Yes or no. Obviously, you wanna put no there. But what's interesting is in the instructions,   they don't they address virtually every question   except those   two. Yeah. And, and then the here's here's the solution.  

So if you go to the instructions   and you look at,   question 21   m as in Mary,   It says immigration status.   And so if anyone's questioning you, like, if you go to a gun store and they they're not sure, like,   maybe they're thinking a national of The United States is a US citizen,   just take them to the instructions   and it says immigration   status.   This is, again, under 21 m.   If you are a US citizen   forward slash   national,   comma,   it is   appropriate to answer no to question 21   m   one. So right there, it's recognizing the two statuses because it doesn't say US citizen US national.   It just says US citizen forward slash   national.  

So you could you could point that out to them if there's anyone in doubt.  

[02:02:36] Unknown:

Okay.   Alright. Thank you, Larry.   Anybody burning question for me or I've gotta get out of here?   I will assume that's a no. Love each and every one of you. See you tomorrow. Please come join us. Ciao.  

[02:02:51] Unknown:

And let's officially close the program with a click clack boom.  

[02:02:59] Unknown:

Nice.   Nice touch, Columbia. Hey, Jeff. Larry. Pennsylvania.   You still there, Jeff?   Yes, sir. So with Dave in the thumb here, my wife and I recently renewed   our passport cards,   and we got them back in five days.   And they kept our   citizenship   evident.  

[02:03:28] Unknown:

And, Jeff, there's some links in the chat for you. Okay. I appreciate it, Dave and everybody else. Yeah. I just want I'm the I'm the kind of agnostic who likes to have something in hand because I didn't wanna find out the hard way by proceeding with the legal law from that. This is even gun purchases   the assumption  

[02:03:43] Unknown:

that I'm somebody who may may not see me as because of lack of files. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. They sent our our new cards back before they sent our old cards back. We got and we got them you know, we sent   it priority mail,   at the post office, and the gal there, you know, helped us do it. And,   we we got them back in five business days,   our new cards.   And, you know, our old cards came back later, and they did not include   our citizenship evidence. So they never sent that back.  

[02:04:17] Unknown:

Okay. And then like Roger was saying about the the book, that remains unchanged because I've had I just got both in July year,   and, I should just focus on the card, the wallet card then with with refreshing that as well.  

[02:04:32] Unknown:

Yep. There's some link in the chat for you.   Thank you, sir.  

[02:04:36] Unknown:

Everybody. Hey, Dave?   Dave?   Yeah. I'm here. Yeah. It's Ed from Michigan. Did Hi, Ed. You,   did you,   on the front of your card   behind the number and there's a dash there,   what what is the endorsement you got when you got your No. I card?  

[02:04:57] Unknown:

I can't see it. I'm blind, and we did not discuss that this time.   Okay.   So  

[02:05:05] Unknown:

I Yeah. Because I'm gonna go back with you on that. I was confused when I got my card initially because I was looking all over the place, but it your endorsement is on the front lower left corner.   And then, you know, there's a number on there, and then there's a dash, and mine's a dash 09,   which is the national. And then my wife's curiously, I sent all the same paperwork in for her.   Mhmm. Hers is a dash 12.   And did did you look that up? Mine is I did look it up. Yeah. It's What is that?   Also known as or something. It it doesn't say anything about being a national.   Is it that weird? Kinda curious. So I think they're kinda screwing around with this, you know, as we speak. I think there's   there's stuff going on in the background,   kind of fighting against our movement.  

You know, they they don't want to give people the o nine. There was one guy from California   on, oh, maybe two, three months ago,   maybe even longer. And he was, you know, going in there and trying to get,   stuff. But he got some screwy codes as well. You know? It's like they don't wanna give you a dash o nine anymore   according to him.  

[02:06:25] Unknown:

By the way, when they ask you your country, whenever I fill out anything and they ask   what country I'm from, I say Michigan   because, you know, every every state is a nation state country.   Right. You know? So, anyway, I yield.  

[02:06:45] Unknown:

Thanks, Dave.  

[02:06:52] Unknown:

And then someone has said, I don't care what it says on my card. It's the affidavit that matters in this  

[02:07:00] Unknown:

Bob said that. Department.  

[02:07:02] Unknown:

Bob said Speaking speaking of who it's, Paul?   Yeah.   Did you get my text last night?  

[02:07:11] Unknown:

Did I? I don't know. I haven't actually looked at my phone yet today.  

[02:07:16] Unknown:

I see. Okay. Well, Roger, I'd sent something to Roger, and he cc'd you on the answer saying he didn't know, but you might, if you could check.  

[02:07:25] Unknown:

Okay. I would appreciate it. So that would be in my email as well?  

[02:07:30] Unknown:

It would be in your email email,   and then I text you after that   to prompt you because I hadn't gotten any reply.   But,   anyway, if you could investigate that, you may or may not have what I'm after, but I was thinking maybe somebody would.  

[02:07:47] Unknown:

I don't know what his phone number is.  

[02:07:50] Unknown:

Okay. Well  

[02:07:52] Unknown:

I know he's on found,   p h o u n d.   Yeah. I I don't think that there's,   any phone number published   for him. Okay. I can try and,   get ahold of him.  

[02:08:16] Unknown:

Well, if you could, because I have no I have no real means other than other than by phone, and the number that I had for him is up it's not used. It's invalid at this point, but that was years ago. We hadn't talked for several years. So  

[02:08:31] Unknown:

Well, then I probably have if I have a number, I would probably have the same one because,   it's been over   a year or two since I've talked to   Brent on the phone.  

[02:08:44] Unknown:

Well, it was it's probably more like four or five for me, so it may still be Oh. You know, a different number. Anyway,  

[02:08:52] Unknown:

I appreciate it. Can see. I can see what I've got.   Phone. Even though,   really haven't had this phone for very long either, maybe,   a call history that I'd be looking for would be in my other phone.   I'm sorry.   There's so many difficulties here.  

[02:09:19] Unknown:

Hey, Paul.  

[02:09:20] Unknown:

Wow. Side note.   I was listening to alt media,   you know, the dial in   with 15 shows   on Sunday, and,   there's a, you know, number three. It's mostly British British,   radio.   And, there was this gal on, and Paul English was was her guest.   And she called him the bankster.   And it was really cool to hear Paul on, you know, on my phone, and it wasn't through you. It was really neat.   And it was, you know, I didn't hear the whole show, but, it was, yeah, it was really good.   Alt Media. I don't know what the show was called, though.  

[02:10:02] Unknown:

Hey, Bob. Got a question for you. Yes. Yes.   Yeah. Yeah. Do,   does the phone number you have for Brent end in 7182?  

[02:10:12] Unknown:

Well, give me a moment.  

[02:10:15] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:10:24] Unknown:

You're not talking about Bachman, are you?  

[02:10:27] Unknown:

No.  

[02:10:29] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:10:33] Unknown:

Nope. I'm gonna have to search my history to find your number, Bob.   What's what's the area code, Bob?  

[02:10:44] Unknown:

785.  

[02:10:47] Unknown:

Your sons?  

[02:10:50] Unknown:

It's the number I'm at right now. History.  

[02:10:57] Unknown:

9785.  

[02:11:00] Unknown:

No.   7695   is the last four of the one I have.  

[02:11:05] Unknown:

It's on your screen, Paul.  

[02:11:15] Unknown:

So if you've got a number different than that, it may be valid.  

[02:11:20] Unknown:

K. Well, I got it in,   call history.   Wait a minute. So  

[02:11:34] Unknown:

Nope. Well, like I say, the one I tried was the last 47695,   and it's no longer valid. And I let's say I've talked to it for years, and I was  

[02:11:46] Unknown:

wanting to talk to him. First thing if first thing I'm gonna have to do is I'm gonna have to put you in my phone book.  

[02:11:53] Unknown:

+1 04.   Well, we don't need to further it here, but if you do have a different number, if you can text that to me, I'd appreciate it.  

[02:12:03] Unknown:

Oh, is that a black book?  

[02:12:05] Unknown:

Is that 67?   Yours ends in 67?  

[02:12:10] Unknown:

Yes.  

[02:12:16] Unknown:

Okay. Because, my screens are, like, quite small. I have so many windows   in my computer. It's hard to see for an old fart like myself.   K.   Into a contact.   Create new contact.   Bobbage.  

[02:12:47] Unknown:

May may I may I?   Anyway, Dave,   you like listening to the radio? I don't know if you you know this website. It's called radio.garden.   Radio.garden,   and you can   radio.   What? And you can   garden   as   in  

[02:13:13] Unknown:

Got it. Asinyourguard  

[02:13:15] Unknown:

garden?   Radio.garden,   and it and it had pops up a map of The United States with all these dots of radio stations you can listen to. And all you need to do is put your cursor   over the dot, and it'll the radio will come up.  

[02:13:30] Unknown:

Cool.  

[02:13:30] Unknown:

Thank you.   Yep. Theradio.garden.  

[02:13:35] Unknown:

Awesome.   Thanks, Sketch.  

[02:13:38] Unknown:

You  

[02:13:43] Unknown:

bet. Okay, Bob.   Give me,   give me just a minute to, work this out.  

[02:13:57] Unknown:

Sounds fine. I appreciate it. I'm going to have to go, so appreciate it.  

[02:14:10] Unknown:

Kiss. Kiss.  

[02:14:32] Unknown:

I  

[02:14:39] Unknown:

have something to   add to the   affidavit of life that I was discussing   the other day.   And this interest is   let's say, actually  

[02:14:57] Unknown:

Can you hear me now?   Yeah.   George.  

[02:15:16] Unknown:

Okay. I got some background. I'm just heading out here.  

[02:15:21] Unknown:

The affidavit of life   that   I mentioned the other day,   I actually found another example of it.  

[02:15:28] Unknown:

Next year. I think I just did a Google or a Yandex search on it. And   it's interesting because it's by a Slovenian   who   appears to be living in stock in   in Sweden.   I'll just, read it quick. It   kinda enhances,   what   the other one that I read the other day was.   So he's got affidavit of life, all rights reserved, VISTA headache.   Then   he's got his post post,   which I believe is Post Box 404.   He's got his,   where he executed this document, looks like, with the date on top,   07/01/2013.   And,   it's it's   it's strikes   department   at so I don't know what that is. I have to Google that, but it's got a fax number on here. But it says, I, Marco, of the family of Injak,   Affiam, being over the age 18,   competent   witness due state for the following public   or for the public record the following.  

One,   it's a public record on file with the office of the birth registrar,   Matitsi   Registrar of   the Republic of Slovene,   Japrovna,   and Ota, no Novo Mesto located at, and then the address there is Slovenia,   shows that the entity known as Marco   Injak,   took the first breath of life   on the tenth day of the month of January in the year of 1977   '67.   And then he says 10/1967.   And two, as of the date of this Appian of Life, the entity is known as Mark and Jack and his children, Ika, Sereza and Jack and Tim Jonathan and Jack are still alive and breathing.   And three,   since   the tenth day of the month of January in the year of 01/1985,   which would be   when he was turning 18,   has not surrendered nor abandoned any claims of life   nor of any and all claims of the state to include but not limited to inject comma Marco, all caps,   and,   excuse me, any   derivation thereof,   and to include   but not limited to own children   and four,   no matter   if this affidavit bears any practical.  



[02:18:03] Unknown:

With the intent to file this fact into the public record   to in all possible cases exclude any other misinterpretation   and   five that the attachments exhibit a and b to this affidavit   are considered as points and authorities of law and foreign jurisdiction,   but are any way provided here to support common understanding.   And six, for the affiant, said it's not. I, Marco, of the family of Inject, to affirm that I have read the above affidavit and do know the contents to be true, correct, complete, not misleading. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.   And then he's got he signs it Marco of the family of Injak, then he also signs   it m his last name, also m period, I guess,   or m dash. And then also known as the entity Marco Inject, and he's got his fingerprint dated, right thumb print dated.  

Then on the back, he's got a witness.   We, the undersigned witnesses,   attest that we individually and collectively know the Marco of Injak Man, also known as the entity Marco Injak, to be alive and breathing and that he is not lost beyond the sea, but walks among us upon the land. And then we did witness him affix his autograph to the above affidavit of life and also to place his right thumbprint upon this document.   And then   his exhibit   first exhibit is corpus juris secundum   section 16 page eight ninety two,   which I need to read the context of. But the fact of death death of the person on whose state administration is sought   is a jurisdiction requisite.  

And while the presumption of death arising from absence may present a prom aphasia   case sufficient to warrant a grant of administration yet if it subsequently develops that such a person was in fact alive, the administration is is void.   And it goes on from there. And then as exhibit b is the SESTA KV act of 1666.   And   while that   has revisions that I mentioned yesterday,   I think that,   it is   apropos he mentions it's foreign jurisdiction, but it shows the,   I guess, the intent of abandonment, the intent of,   in the Anglo Saxon heritage of our law   that there is something to do with abandoning   estates and estates.  

And that,   clarifying this, whether it has any impact or not, is I think   a a neat step. Now whether that whether our nationality affidavit does that by,   immigration of law, I have no idea. But I thought what what's the harm in finding something like this into your county and being able to take out a stamped copy of that and, send it along with whatever,   and I yield   for any feedback.  

[02:21:02] Unknown:

Does   any of that involve a corner or the question   question being trust   by trust   included?  

[02:21:16] Unknown:

That's a great question. And some of them I hadn't considered. But, yeah, one of our notices goes to the coroner.   So no. I don't know. He doesn't have anybody   noticed in here. There's no   there's just you know, that's the actual affidavit. The only thing he did was   being this in 2013,   actually,   he   before that, he had done a moral and conscious tort.   Again, all rights reserved.   The following is a list of prima facie evidence of crimes against humanity   that the corporation of the Kingdom Of Sweden   has   not ever known us   to us, voiced any protest or resistance to, and so became an accomplice to the crimes.  

This makes us implicitly responsible for our alliance with the unrighteous king   slash your compact, quote, forcing us to this remedy.   Then he gets into   providing psycho psychopharmaceuticals,   and he's got links to experts.   Similar missions for US market   making everything for global markets. Defective slavery of all parties in global commerce and all labels from   countries to individuals   to global organized crime syndicate of private bankers. This is great.   Biowarfare is the fourth one or population reduction.   The codex elementarius, number five,   effective   medications made illegal, suppressed, hidden to promote,   pharmaceutical profits. You've got the his, authorities under that like the Red Cross World sensation, malaria finally defeated   Andreas Clacker   or, Kalker MMS conference, forbidden health, the Gerson beer girl 02/2004.  

Then seven,   attacks on c o two to low lower the global warming while the global temperature obviously   falling for more than fifteen years. Stupidest scam ever.   We are personally directing   directly financing UN to execute many of the above crimes from the electricity we use to cook our food.   A government controlled media and education system doing its best to silencing real news sources, and many more, he goes on. We have no intent to interfere with the internal political issues of your compacts and your business, as a matter of fact, never had publicly interfered. You are welcome to rebut any of the above point in detail, prove by your action in real time that all and rebutted above is being corrected and acted upon in twenty one days. After this period, to avoid our implicit responsibility for alliance with the unrighteous king slash your comment compact, we obviously have no other option than to leave your compact in peace and form a new one, our own compact.   And that's kinda what we're doing with nationality, right, on this community.  

We are saying we are,   at a different we're   in a kind of a royal priesthood, you know, a nation set apart. And,   I think this was a I don't know who, again, he directed this to, but,   it says ultra   Ultrix   u Utrikes department,   Pet, Karl Bildt,   which must be the Karl Building. Gustav Adolf Torque 1, S E 10339   Stockholm.   So   pretty unique   service on that   same guy.   But I like your thought there, sketch, which is, you know,  

[02:24:46] Unknown:

are we,  

[02:24:47] Unknown:

but in fact, doing a matter of operation of law doing this when we serve the notice to the coroner, you know, the nationality correction?  

[02:24:56] Unknown:

Well, we're  

[02:24:58] Unknown:

We don't really do anything with the birth certificate,   but our nationality correction should automatically make that a peace token like Boris talks about. It's like a that's their token they gave us to be a peace, you know, under the Liber Code and under the law of nations and the Treaty of Vienna   to actually be at peace in this commercial warfare that they've given us.  

[02:25:21] Unknown:

Right. Well, you might I was just throwing this out there, you know, take that affidavit   affidavit of life and   and go to the corner   and either have him declare you dead   or   give you proof of life. You know, he's the, he's the head honcho   in order to be able to prove   a death,   and, he can prove that you're alive. That's my my point,   and maybe just,   put his feet to the fire.   You know?  

[02:25:58] Unknown:

I like that. And that, you know, I remember Joseph Rory,   brilliant legal mind, said, you know, well, you don't really need a, you know, judicial determination. You'd have to get a, you know, a judgment about your status.   Right. He didn't That would be I don't know. Yeah. Go ahead. But that's kind of the same idea. Right?  

[02:26:17] Unknown:

Yeah. And I guess I think you can do a probate. I don't know how to do it, but I heard that   probating a court for proof of life is the way to go. I don't know, but that's what I heard, I think.  

[02:26:32] Unknown:

Interesting. Thanks.  

[02:26:35] Unknown:

You'll  

[02:26:45] Unknown:

May I?  

[02:26:50] Unknown:

There is some language that may be,   critical   on an affidavit,   the title thereof.   Witness testimony   and   evidence   if you're attaching any documents to further your affidavit.   Because declaring it as testimony,   What's the word I'm looking for? Adds greater validity   or,   it truly makes it   court approved   evidence and testimony   by titling that way.   So just a thought. That was something that was brought forward last week to me, and   I just think it makes it more specific   what you're putting forward. And I yield.  

[02:27:48] Unknown:

Well, you can get testimony from the,   coroner.   Right? And and and   included in your affidavit. Right?  

[02:27:59] Unknown:

Right. But what I'm saying is titling your affidavit   as witness   testimony.  

[02:28:07] Unknown:

Right.   Okay. Thank you.  

[02:28:10] Unknown:

You're welcome. And when I added something as evidence, I I put witness testimony and evidence   by affidavit   that I need.  

[02:28:24] Unknown:

Well, I don't I I think the the strongest   case for you being alive would be the coroner,   giving testimony,   you know, and putting it in the record somehow.  

[02:28:38] Unknown:

Well, I think even more so pertinent would be you   giving testimony.   Right. Just saying.  

[02:28:46] Unknown:

Oh, of course.  

[02:28:48] Unknown:

And then somebody also put forward that it should be   firsthand,   witness testimony   and evidence.   So,   you would be firsthand. The coroner would be secondhand.   Do you see what I'm saying?   Yeah. But I I just think, making your affidavit   more specific in that regard   can't hurt a thing. Just gonna take a little bit more ink. That's all.   Right. And I think court rules,   then   that would bypass the,   procedures regarding evidence and testimony,   and I yield.  

[02:29:27] Unknown:

Right. And and   my point on all that was, you know,   I don't think they recognized your affidavit. They didn't recognize my nail   affidavit. Well, they're gonna recognize the coroner.   So somehow connect those two. I don't know. I you.  

[02:29:46] Unknown:

Well, it was a gentleman that put forward they probably don't even read your affidavits.   But if you title it as,   testimony   and then I added evidence,   mechanic Northam.  

[02:30:02] Unknown:

So No. Specifically because of the Brady material, you know, it's a sculp it's a sculpatory evidence of   of your innocence   of jurisdiction.  

[02:30:16] Unknown:

Personal. So, anyway, just food for thought for people, and,   I've used it already.   And,   a diphthrom to phone call   from the opposing attorney   that same day.   So I found that quite notable and interesting.  

[02:30:35] Unknown:

Well, Sherry, I do hope you recorded that conversation so we could hear it.  

[02:30:41] Unknown:

No. I don't have any way to do that.   I I just do it by   firsthand witness testimony by affidavit.   So that's how how I'm going to title them from now on.   So  

[02:30:58] Unknown:

Well, if you ever   have that problem again, I suggest you try and record   that conversation,   and we would have loved to hear that. I would have loved to be in a fly on the wall.  

[02:31:11] Unknown:

Yeah. I just don't have any way to do that. I have an old phone,   and it won't let me   or it could be that it would. I just don't know how to.   That might be   better stated. I yield.  

[02:31:26] Unknown:

You can get one of those mini recorders and then put it on speakerphone   and record it that way.  

[02:31:35] Unknown:

Well, thank you, Sherry. And, yeah, I would do a boy at NSA. They probably  

[02:31:45] Unknown:

That's what I've always said.   Yeah. Ask the NSA.   All your communications are I know, but it's funny to think about.   Thank you, George.   Oh,   wouldn't that be exculpatory   evidence?   I yield.  

[02:32:09] Unknown:

That's what I was mentioning.   You know? They're the prosecution is supposed to produce any exculpatory   evidence. You put in the affidavit in the No. I get that.  

[02:32:21] Unknown:

I I was being facetious about the NSA and that being exculpatory  

[02:32:26] Unknown:

evidence. Oh, okay. Alright. Yeah.  

[02:32:29] Unknown:

So no. I appreciate your sketch, and you bring great things forward.   And, anyway   anyway, it was just facetiousness.   And to add to, your FOIA request, it is exculpatory,   and I yield.  

[02:32:51] Unknown:

If I may, Sherry,   the conversation that you had,   this is Lady Linda Louise. Can you folks hear me?   Yes. Oh, very good.   What I'd like to do, Sherry, when I talk to anybody on the phone is follow-up   with   a notice saying, we spoke on such and such a day at such a time,   And the discussion was   XYZ.   And if I have misunderstood   what we discussed,   please,   inform me.   If I don't hear from you in three days or ten days,   I will,   believe that what I heard   is fact.  

[02:33:38] Unknown:

I do not disagree with you, Lady Linda, but I would further it with   witness testimony   by affidavit,   and you can memorialize the conversation,   and in that way. In that way. Good. Very good.  

[02:33:56] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:33:57] Unknown:

Yeah. And not just a letter that yes. It's even better. Why I didn't say it that way is because,  

[02:34:04] Unknown:

you said he already you got the phone call right away when you titled it firsthand witness testimony and evidence via affidavit,   and you got a call right away.   So are you suggesting to memorialize   the conversation that did not get taped to title it again firsthand witness testimony evidence via affidavit, do it again  

[02:34:26] Unknown:

And that's what I'm asking? Correct. That's how I memorialize it from now on. Okay. I don't bother with just a letter.   But the only reason you would add end evidence   is if you're attaching documentation.  

[02:34:41] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:34:42] Unknown:

Okay. Otherwise, it's just testimony.  

[02:34:45] Unknown:

Right. Well, the attachments would always be our,   affidavit of citizenship evidence. Wouldn't that be the attachment that we would include in any controversy  

[02:34:55] Unknown:

that we It depends on the affidavit and what you're putting forward, I would say. I I don't necessarily think that you have to put that affidavit your citizenship   evidence,   to every document.   It depends on the case, the   you know? Okay. So it was like my evidence that I attached was,   proof that I had mailed something.   Right. Right. So the receipt.   So that's why I added evidence. And then   something occurred to me, and and I don't know where I heard this. But instead of putting it as an exhibit   and attaching it as an exhibit,   you just say, hey. This is,   the receipt of mailing   and   or whatever it is that you're gonna add to that document   and   attached here to and incorporated here and by reference   as page number,   not as an exhibit,   but inclusive into that document.  

Mhmm. Mhmm. And so that's what I did.   I I quit using exhibits   and just started adding page numbers.  

[02:36:11] Unknown:

Okay. Very good.   Is is Paul still on this call?  

[02:36:18] Unknown:

Paul Beaner?  

[02:36:20] Unknown:

Yeah. He on this call. I'm sure he's listening.  

[02:36:23] Unknown:

However close he is, I'm sure he's there.  

[02:36:26] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Because I text him, and I wanted him to respond to my text.   And I didn't wanna bring it up   in this call.   Hi, honey.  

[02:36:38] Unknown:

Oh, no. That's fair.   But give him some   time to reply to it.   Okay. That would be my only suggestion. I I   Hey. Have a delightful day, lady.  

[02:36:50] Unknown:

Thank you, sweetheart. Okay. Bye bye. I'm  

[02:36:53] Unknown:

still here. I'm buried in the middle of a dozen different cherries and and Linda's.   Buzz dozen of them. Just   I don't even know where they're all coming from.  

[02:37:06] Unknown:

Echo. Echo. Echo. Good lord. I'm giving some giving some time to reply to this. Help.  

[02:37:14] Unknown:

Help. I'm being repressed.  

[02:37:21] Unknown:

Well, I I just wanna make one point.   Depending on what state it is, you could still, I think, record   for your memorializing   for your letter   via recording   the conversation.   And I think it's very important   if you can   get a small tape recorder,   put your phone on speaker phone, and record the conversation. I yield, and may you have many echoes, Paul. Echo. Echo. Echo.  

[02:37:51] Unknown:

Sketch, I would agree with that, and never   claim that you have recorded the conversation if you don't know what your recording   statutes are in your state.   And as long as you don't reveal that, you can use it for your private information,   for your own recollection, and put it to paper   with ink,   but never admit it.   That's all I'm saying. Checking streams.  

[02:38:17] Unknown:

Sorry.  

[02:38:18] Unknown:

Fair point. Thank you.  

[02:38:20] Unknown:

I was checking   streams when   Linda was asking for me. I had   a dozen different   things going on here. I  

[02:38:31] Unknown:

I think she was putting you on notice that she sent you a text.  

[02:38:35] Unknown:

Yeah. I know. I I saw the text. I didn't read   it. I saw the text. I didn't read it because I was on the phone with one guy, and I was texting two other guys at the time. So   busy day, and I haven't even shut the damn showdown yet. So don't nobody say anything illegal, immoral, or fattening.  

[02:39:06] Unknown:

Do you hate her?  

[02:39:09] Unknown:

No. No.  

[02:39:12] Unknown:

No. I can just go ahead and answer her. Linda Holly, that that was the loudest  

[02:39:17] Unknown:

distortion I ever   experienced with your,   fine,   dramatic   soliloquy there.  

[02:39:28] Unknown:

Sorry. I was panicking.   Yeah. I I think the most recent, development is Roger's not inclined.  

[02:39:52] Unknown:

So  

[02:40:14] Unknown:

The other   the other thing that has come to light   as I   look into this whole trust law,   and I think the question came up the other day is,   when   I think maybe   L cubes and I were talking about   if perhaps class has started yet, Paul, but   the maxims of trust law,   this is a great,   summary for me anyway. Equity is an ancient judicial   system originated in England   by which courts apply principles of general fairness   in situations   where   application of the common law would bring about injustice.   Article three of the US Constitution   extends   the judicial power of courts   to both cases of law and inequity,   While the federal rules of civil procedure combined law and equity into a single type of suit, the civil action, in 1938,   the distinction between law and equity is still very much alive.  

Claims and equity afford   different remedies.   Do not permit a right to trial   by jury   Under the Seventh Amendment,   indeed,   equitable claims must be decided by the judge even if a jury is deciding other claims at law.   And equitable remedies   are generally unavailable   when there is a, quote, adequate remedy at law.   While they do not constitute binding precedents in US courts,   equitable claims and the courts that preside over them are traditionally guided   by the 20 maxims of equity, which are certainly   persuasive precedent.   The eleventh circuit was kind enough to recently gather 13 of these maxims in one place, Slater versus US Steel,   at 08/20 f third   eleven ninety three, both in 2016.  

But, of course, we pride ourselves in creating a more comprehensive list.   And, actually, they go through a list of   18,   20, yeah, 20 maxims. You know, the final one, equity with regards to beneficiaries, the true owner.   So anyway,   I'm going to be studying these equity   maximums   as I delve into the trust   issues and filing,   my ecclesiastical   piece of piece of my ecclesiastical   trust, at least.  

[02:43:54] Unknown:

Well, I think I should give credit,   to who brought those   things forward to me. And it was Ed out of Georgia   on the republic call,   that spoke of witness   testimony   by affidavit.   And then Daryl out of Colorado is the one who,   prefaced it with   firsthand   witness evident   witness testimony.   So just giving credit where credit is due. I yield.  

[02:44:48] Unknown:

Sherry, could you explain ex delta three?  

[02:44:54] Unknown:

I'm sorry. Could I explain what?  

[02:44:57] Unknown:

Exalpatory   evidence.  

[02:45:00] Unknown:

Oh, that's evidence that the prosecution   has in its possession   and is due and owing   to the defense   without even having to be asked for.   So, and   you're welcome. And it   could be insignificant   evidence, but anything in their possession,   and especially   if it would,   what's the word I'm looking for?   Help the defense.   I know there's a legal term for that, but  

[02:45:37] Unknown:

Another one of those rules is they never follow.  

[02:45:41] Unknown:

Mhmm. That's why the Brady   list,   I can't remember   the   the group is that's putting that forward. But all you have to do, you go in,   and,   I'd have to look back on my computer   or in my documents because I got one.   And you put it on your case number, your name, the venue,   and all of that, and they do an affidavit,   a memorandum of law. I can't remember how it's titled. It was over a year ago that I did it, but it's the Brady list.   And so they help people in that regard,   and they do,   Amicus   Curry brief on your behalf. That's what it is   to the court.  

So   and I don't rightly remember who brought that forward,   whether   it was a group that led you to that website   or that they were   participating in it.   But in any event, look up the brady list. I think it's brady-list.com.   And I yield.   Yeah. I had an attorney about fallout   one time when I asked him about exculpatory   evidence, and he says, oh,   do you know the lingo?   And that's what he called it, the lingo.   Thought that was interesting.   Or it could be brady-list.org.  

[02:47:54] Unknown:

Sorry?  

[02:47:57] Unknown:

Yes.  

[02:48:27] Unknown:

I'm sorry. Did somebody just give a website.org   or something?  

[02:48:32] Unknown:

Oh, George.   Brady-list,   and it may be .org or .com,   but I'm almost sure it's .org.   And that's regarding,   the Amicus Curry brief   and,   letting,   the   prosecutors   and who the witness on the state's behalf,   that they're required to give,   exculpatory evidence.   So  

[02:49:10] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Thank you. You're welcome.  

[02:49:13] Unknown:

All this stuff is their rules and puts you in equity. And if you wanna be joined with them,   that's what you do. You won't be in a court of law. Yes. But you know what? Even worse than that, they're administrative.  

[02:49:28] Unknown:

And so you know what I start doing?   Notice to principal is notice to agent. Notice to agent is notice to principal, and it goes at the very top of any document   I file in the court.   Let them know who that you know who they are. You're just agents.  

[02:49:47] Unknown:

That just came to me a few days ago. And and I would include a, a, certified copy of, the Mandel House letter   to Wilson   in in everything.   From now on, I'm gonna include that in anything I correspond with anybody or go anywhere. I'm handing them that because I want them to know that I know who they are, and and I'm one in a million.  

[02:50:12] Unknown:

Okay. Now Ed from Georgia brought up something else.   Office of administrative,   hearings.   And,   Arkansas did away with theirs. Uh-huh. And he said go to DC with it   because they're over every state.   I So that's how you exhaust your administrative.   I'm sorry. Go ahead.  

[02:50:37] Unknown:

I I'm not understanding what you're saying.  

[02:50:41] Unknown:

The office of   administrative   hearings   because all those administrative courts operate under the APA.   Okay. And you have to exhaust your administrative appeal. See, I think they get you caught up chasing your tail going to the appeals court   in your state.   No. Just take it to the administrative   because that's who they all are.   That's just my thinking and, you know, I   it's a new concept and avenue for me, but,   anyway, just food for thought, consider it,   and it makes sense   if they're administrative.   So  

[02:51:35] Unknown:

There was even talk of,   copying the representative, the federal representative   of   your,   you know, ZIP code or whatever.   No. Vote. So, but I think the representative   is almost like a military liaison, just like the prosecutors   are military.   They're under supposedly under the JAG somewhere eventually.   And supposedly even there, there's a diocese   military,   which brings us back to the Jesuits.   Supposedly,   I'm in the arch the now the   archbishop of Boise.   So I haven't I've yet to write them. But,   so what I my father got rest soiled, when I was a kid, I'd you know, how you're a kid, you'd ask questions.   He'd pull it on the paper from beneath his eyes and nose and say, I don't know, son. Write them. When I you know, how you're a kid, you have all these questions. Well, late in life, I gave him one of those little death signs, IDK, Google it. And he had that behind as easy chair until the day he died.  

But,   I think   sending these other entities, because I mean, we can't count on these administrators   at the U. S. SOS to do the job. I mean, I think that's what's good about like what Lady Linda said and what you just said, Sherry,   is   and   I just read from those maxims, equity does not replace the common law at all. So to your point, we're not we're not surrendering the common law. We but we can still   we can move through these different jurisdictions, especially as a national value.  

[02:53:23] Unknown:

Right. But you have to exhaust your administrative   process.   And so,   again, Sandy on the Republic call, she's out of Texas, and, her and Tony are delving into,   patent and trademark office   because what they have done is streamlined   these pilfering of our pockets,   through   patents.   So,   what she said is every agency has a liaison.   Who knew that?   So,   anyway, just   another,  

[02:54:03] Unknown:

Wow. I didn't even know that.  

[02:54:06] Unknown:

Mhmm. Now she spoke about the Patent and Trademark Office   and them having a liaison.   So   they're   still administrative.   So why wouldn't that   principle apply to every agency?   And it never hurts to ask.  

[02:54:26] Unknown:

You know? Oh, sorry. I had to drop off. I had my   my aunt is on hospice and passing away, and my cousin   is mentally disabled. My daughter's got cerebral palsy, so I and he's POA.   Oh, Lord have mercy. This is just like a nightmare.   So the nurse called because he's not given the meds properly and I live in Mendota, Illinois.   They live in Villa Park, Illinois which is at least an hour and a half away from me.   So my brother's closer. So difficult. And he was Yeah. Yeah. And he's you know, Steven's trying so hard, but he's not accepting that his mom   she's it's she's done, dude. And if you don't give her the medicine properly,   she's gonna suffer.  

You know? Because the cancer went to her brain, so they got her on Halodol. They got her on morphine.   But he's only given it to her twice a day, and she's supposed to have it every four hours.  

[02:55:20] Unknown:

Oh, I don't know what he has. Does he have no other siblings to help?  

[02:55:24] Unknown:

No. He's the only one.   They only had one child.  

[02:55:30] Unknown:

And they're not even getting a nurse   visitation   or anything?  

[02:55:36] Unknown:

Here, they changed it in Illinois, of course, because, you know, like, welcome to Illinois.   I think the state's so bad I can taste it.   They stopped having nurses come. They only come once a week just to make sure that the person administering the meds are not taking them.   That's it.  

[02:55:55] Unknown:

Oh.  

[02:55:57] Unknown:

So I'm like,   you can clearly see if you're a nurse, wouldn't you clearly see this dude is disabled?   You know what I'm saying?   I'm like, I don't get   it. Oh   my   god.   I didn't wanna cry. I have to laugh because, like, what is wrong with you? Debbie likes me leaving my daughter responsible for me.   Not gonna happen.   But I understand why aunt Joanne did it because she doesn't have anybody. Most of her friends are gone. Her husband's gone.   My uncle Dave died in 2017.   My mom died in 2017.  

[02:56:34] Unknown:

My dad died in 2017. Surprised this date 2015.   Hasn't stepped in in that regard.   So  

[02:56:45] Unknown:

They can't because he's his own guardian.   Seems that that would He's his own guardian. I'm Oh. Guardian of the person and guardian of the estate of Danielle.   Steven doesn't have a he's his own guardian. So when you're your own guardian, like Danielle's boyfriend is disabled   too, kinda like Steven, not physically, but mentally,   and then Danielle's physically and mentally,   but I'm her legal guardian of the person and guardian of the estate, which is why I was really scared to do this process.   And I thought, oh my lord. What happens to that? Because that's operating in the public.   According to the public law,   if you operate public and private,   Danielle's   program has to be public. Right? He's accepting privileges and benefits from the government.  

Steven doesn't have that because uncle Dave set up a trust for him.   So everything is all under trust.   And he taught me some stuff before he died. I'm just learning more now.   Like, as far as that stuff goes. But,   which is extremely important because now I'm learning how I can take I can still keep Danielle within the public, but yet put her under a trust   because she's never gonna be confident enough   ever.   You know what I'm saying? If that makes any sense   to operate anything.   So, therefore,   I have successors and things that I've added on, oh, you know, like, over these past two years   of who's, you know, can help and who can't when it comes to that part of it. But   long story short, he's his own guardian.  

There's nothing that the state's gonna step into.   They won't do it, especially in Illinois.   Because when it comes to the developmentally delayed and the physically delayed   people, Illinois is fifty first in The United States when it comes to any kind of programs.   You have to beg, borrow, steal, and fight for these kids.   The other states are better than others. There's 51 states. Really good. When did that happen?  

[02:58:42] Unknown:

There's 51 states? I'm sorry. 49.   No. 50.   I   hearkens back to when Obama said there's 57 states, and I've been to 54 of them or something like that. I can't remember. I'm tired.   I'm tired. No. That's okay.   I had to pull you over on it. That's all. I know.  

[02:59:08] Unknown:

Let's see what happens when I get pulled over now that I'm a national.  

[02:59:13] Unknown:

Mhmm. I have to Be careful what you wish for.  

[02:59:16] Unknown:

No. I'm not gonna get pulled over. I'm gonna Don't ask for it. Yeah. No. I'm not going to.   I'm just gonna   always stay in honor   and make sure my vehicle is, you know, apropos.   Not really sure how to handle,   like,   registration because I don't   I don't have the allure deal title because none of us do. I don't even have the land patent on my land,   even though everything's, like, fully paid for. But if you don't pay your taxes, they come and take it. So I'm trying to learn how to do all that stuff too.  

[02:59:52] Unknown:

Yeah. It's a workout.  

[02:59:55] Unknown:

Definitely is a workout.  

[02:59:57] Unknown:

Mhmm. Builds your muscles.   But   she's having something like this. She's five at the foot. So I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say fifth  

[03:00:07] Unknown:

first. No. That's Thanks for the traffic stop.  

[03:00:14] Unknown:

You're one of the nicest cops I've ever met.  

[03:00:19] Unknown:

Hey. You know, there's a maxim of law too. I don't know if George is still listening,   but he who is in dishonor first   loses.   And I think we need to be mindful of that as well. You know, when you bear false witness,   false in one thing, false in all, can't believe anything they say.  

[03:00:41] Unknown:

Yeah. Hey, Sherry. Hang on just a second. I'm gonna jump back in here real quick, and,   I'm gonna take the streams down because, frankly, it's time. We've been broadcasting for about three hours,   and,   yesterday was four hours,   and that was just too   long.   This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on radio.globalvoiceradio.net   and eurofolkradio.com.   Thank you so much for joining us. We are here Monday through Saturday,   11AM to 1PM eastern, if not a little longer.   Eurofolks' dream is strictly from eleven to one. Our website is thematrixdocs.com.   Thematrix,d0cs,.com.  

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[03:02:33] Unknown:

Hey, Paul. Real quick.   I have somebody else out of Oklahoma that I can send  

[03:02:40] Unknown:

Stop. Oh, hang on. Hang on. I'm not done yet.  

[03:02:44] Unknown:

I'm so  

[03:02:50] Unknown:

The rumble sign off is still working still working on it.   Oh, wow.   Okay.   Now on   hang on.  

[03:03:13] Unknown:

Oh.  

[03:03:20] Unknown:

Okay. Hopefully,   that is shut down. Now let me verify the stream,   Verify the tag.