Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles 090825 Navigating Legal Fictions: Understanding Citizenship and Rights

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That's about it, Raj. Yeah.

Okay. Look. We haven't seen John in a couple weeks. If he hadn't show up in a little bit, would you try and reach out to him, call him, or something? Let's make sure he's alright.

Yeah. I can do that.

Yeah. If you would, please. I hadn't heard a peep from him in couple of weeks. He hadn't shown up with us, so I just wanna make sure he's alright if we can

determine that.

Old friend John, good morning, everybody.

Here we go. Start the week.

If you're new to the show, and you may be, maybe some new folks out there, the show's really for you.

Good talk.

Yes, Alan? Is you're not new. I I have to suggest something. We have been digging in to so many of the details,

surrounding how to get,

two years back from the IRS and other things

that we actually haven't done an overview for a long time. So we may wanna

start for the Well, I'll start joining new.

Uh-huh. Well, I'll be happy. And start with the story for you. Alright. Well, I'll be happy to do that. We haven't had very much success at it, so we've kind of, because of circumstances,

had to abandon it. Alan, I'm not gonna sit here

and, do all that stuff. I'm with my eyesight and whatnot, and I'm all the way in Ecuador. Mark was doing it. His parents have gotten in a position where he doesn't have the time to do it. And quite frankly, we had not had the success we thought we'd have. For some reason, anybody that's already paid the tax of going back and trying

to amend those already filed 10,

they we haven't had any success with the from our efforts.

We have had some success with the people that had had withholdings taken out that they hadn't filed for yet, and they sent it in October in our end and got those funds back. But there's only a couple of people, so

we don't,

waste our time on something that's pretty much unproductive, Alan. So that's the reason that's

in that condition. Okay?

Is that okay?

Yeah.

Allen? The IRS is Well, how about,

the basics of, being a national, what it means, and and how that is defined

as

as not being a citizen and and explaining that from the beginning is what I I'm suggesting. It it actually is a citizen. It's a capital C citizen of The United States Of America.

And what people need to differentiate is a citizen of The United States, federal citizenship under the fourteenth amendment, and a citizen of The United States Of America. So it is still a citizen,

but it's nebulously

labeled a national.

And for anybody that's new here, I can't imagine you'd be here without having some indication of that already.

What we have figured out over a number of years is a way to

basically use the system against them because everything they can't do this stuff. They're not all that powerful. It's gotta be based on fraud,

and we found the fraud. We figured out how to,

confront them with it. And lo and behold, they just stand silent.

They can't they they can't rebut it. They can't,

deny it. And all they can do there for left us two options for them. They can sit there in the corner, cornered, and and and and be silent, or they can take the mask off with only about

six or 10,000 of them and billions of us, and they can confront those numbers in that numerical difference.

That's about what it is. We're here for to allow you to release yourself should you choose. I'm not gonna tell you to do it. I'm just gonna tell you you had a choice you didn't know you had before and try and explain it to you because they've convoluted it so they can pull this scam off.

But from my telling you that you've got a choice, everything else is in your court.

You make that decision just like you make the decision on your spirituality.

You decide if you're gonna follow it. You decide what degree you're gonna follow it and how free you're really gonna be. We'll be here to help you, answer questions, and help guide you along the path. But this whole thing's up to you folks. It ain't up to me. I'm just here, as I said, to tell you that you've got a choice that you more than likely didn't know before we cross paths that you had.

Okay? I mean, it's really simple when you get to it. I mean, the whole thing is simple. It's just a bait and switch. That's all they've done,

with some word magic and some other, diabolical

methods

of changing labels and,

misidentifying

concepts and, all the other stuff that they pulled to pull this off, and they were really good at it. Okay?

And,

but we figured it out. They are guilty.

They stand guilty. They know they're guilty. They know who they are.

The problem is we don't know who they are for the most part. We're learning.

The, the awareness of that fact right there is is growing by the day it would appear.

We're finding out who these creeps are.

Many people that thought they were

god's chosen people. Well, then you can, of course, come back and say, well, alright. Which god and chosen for what?

I mean, that's a fair question.

I even saw a clip of Mike Huckabee,

the, ambassador to Israel

over there talking with two orthodox rabbis.

And, he was going, I suppose some of you have seen this. And the one rabbi is talking to Huckabee. I go, well, he's got a very he's kinda talking to the other guy, but boy, he's got a very unusual view of antisemitism.

And they go through that, little diatribe there, and and he goes in and you he's talking to the older rabbi being God's chosen people, and the old rabbi shaking his head.

You bunch of frauds.

So okay. I have question. Which god chosen for what? Pretty simple. I just you know, you wanna make a statement, then you need to be challenged. And my challenge is those two questions.

All you bastards out there that are listening with small hats and big noses,

which god and chosen for what?

Now did did I cover pretty good, Alan, there?

Alan?

Yes. I have three different mutes in order to clear before I can talk. Okay. Alright. Yeah.

How about,

not having to pay federal taxes from then on? I mean, that hasn't worked. Well, that's not that's not a correct statement either.

If you owe $8.77

or eight seventy one b taxes, you need to pay them. And there's right there in the code. They're very obscure sections of the internal revenue code,

but those two are are strictly illuminated right there and attached to what they mislabel over in the IRS as a nonresident alien. It's a national

state citizen,

citizen of The United States Of America. That one thing is all those labels.

K? You know, I've been watching for a long time,

and it seems that when we first started using the national platform,

in order to invoke our rights,

We had a lot more rights when we began.

It sounds like they're closing some of these doors on us.

Well, they're trying to close the free speech deal. They're trying certainly to get,

the Zionist upper hand in in all of government,

especially on some of these things. We're about to have Trump sign these anti Semitic laws,

I guess. Well, those won't apply to us.

You know? So,

they'll apply to all the federal citizens and residents, but not to us.

And that's the clear cut differential here, and that's what makes this little thing we found so special

is it releases us with the exception of those two obscure

IRS sections that Alan just

got me to regurgitate,

eight seventy one and eight seventy seven b. Those are at

I hate throwing statutes and stuff around. It's in the regulations.

26

CFR

1.1

dash

one parenthesis

small a.

It's right there at the top right of the first page after you open the code of federal regulations.

And there it is, an income tax is owed by all individuals

who are

citizens of The United States or

residents. And

to the extent of eight seventy one b eight seventy seven b, all

nonresident alien individuals, more chicanery,

more chicanery from the frauds.

And, but we've we've got them we got them flat ass backed into the wall with it. Been using that in the sample affidavit

and identifying that is section as that,

is that's what it is. The

oh, the law that nobody could ever find back in the IRS days.

So there's no able to find that law either, have they? Well, they have, and I have, and Vandersteel, who won't ever contact me back,

after showing her the I mean I mean that you have to pay federal taxes.

You don't have to pay federal taxes. There's no law forcing you to actually pay taxes. Well, I don't know. That's pretty interesting, Alan, because that little regulation right there is you would say otherwise.

An income tax is owed by all individuals who are citizens of The United States and residents. It sounds like those two categories of people, persons, if you will, are, are obligated to pay and file federal income tax forms. That's what it sounds like to me. Now I know, supposedly, it's a voluntary system,

but that regulation is pretty clear.

So, maybe we ought to start with defining what a national is compared to the other classes that you could

be and show some of the benefits of being that today. Alright. Well, I can tell you, you're just an all state citizen, the original, status for the first ninety years of the country. You have god given rights and god, duties that are associated with those rights.

Come back to God.

Your residency is now in heaven.

And, it totally releases you again, except for those two sections of the internal revenue code. One of which none of our people will ever owe because it's ex patriation. Why would you ex patriot after you found the status that only two groups of people in organized societies in the history of the world have ever enjoyed?

God given rights and, oh, oh, God, their duties. Why would you give that up to go get another slave passport? Some of you might wanna do it, but I sure can't imagine why. I think it'd be pretty stupid, but that's one of them. That's why I say I don't think any of our people ever owe that. So really effectively, there's one, and that's in the tax you owe on dividends

from stocks or bonds.

So that's the only taxes you'll ever owe,

k,

that are legitimately

constitutional.

So otherwise than that, you're free from the effects of the federal government. And

from the effects of your state government,

have they molded themselves

to be identified as political subdivisions of the federal governments? Are you receiving state funds to for roads and you owe the the benefit of being, allegiance

to the federal government?

Are are does your state have agencies?

Are the regulations under state agencies written for residents?

All that stuff. K? So it separates you from that. Actually, the person that you would go to, I guess, in a direct relationship

or maybe one of his delegates, if they understood what's going on, would be the attorney general of your state.

So, that's what's going on there, Alan. Any other, you any other volleys you'd like for me to address here?

Well, there's other factors of being, national.

It opens a door. It escapes the,

loop that they have created with the fourteenth amendment. We might be able to cover some of that. Well, you just the fourteenth amendment gives you civil rights, which are man given privileges. What we do is put you back over under God and the constitution.

Pretty simple to address.

So was how how was this separated?

It's separated sometime in 1936

or something?

'33 is when they changed the, systems,

and they did it when Roosevelt took the gold.

Because gold well, gold is real money. They bankrupted the country in the bond bond market evidently.

And,

but then they came in, took over.

The,

was 03/09/1933.

Up to that point, of course, we had gold and silver as real money because we were free individuals. And this previously

mentioned association

between, the constitution and us and god,

and, us getting and you hear about I just heard president Trump say it this morning. He's addressing

a biblical,

gathering up there. Said that we're given god given rights by our creator. Well, we were originally

until this little scam of the, the Jews, the fake Jews came in, the money powers, and,

basically representing Esau Edom

biblically stole the birthright back that Jacob had

had gotten them to sell for a bowl of porridge.

The big picture is Esau Edom has stolen his birthright back through this little chicanery,

and we're able to confront him directly

and put it put it right in front of his face. Have you done this? They can't say no. They won't say no. So all they can do is stand silent, which means they agree.

K? So we've got them right by the short ears, folks. Oh, I I might have thing we gotta get for any of these that are new, the one thing we gotta get is numbers.

So you need to get this information and uptake it and start talking to people about it. Because that's the only we're not gonna,

get maybe somebody will call in to Alex Jones and say, you ought to listen to Roger Sales.

And then he's usually, okay. Well, tell us about it. He'll he'll usually contact you. But either that happens or we somehow get on one of these big platforms, we are necessitated

with spreading this information individual to individual,

which is effective. And it's

it can be very exponential. We get the base numbers of people who based are are educated, know what they're talking about, and and, are not scared to talk to people about this subject,

then we really grow.

You know, if we had 2,000,000 you know, this is the old AMLM deal. If we had 2,000,000 people who were nationals

and everybody really understood that and they went and talked and everybody got one, well, we'd have 4,000,000. If that happened, we'd have 8,000,000.

The exponentiality

of this is sitting there just about ready to take off. I believe we've got that many people.

Okay? But people are now talking to people about it. They're not spreading the message, and it's on your back. I can only do so much here. Okay?

It seems that back in this specific time period, there was a lot of differences, a lot of changes

that were made from a monetary system to something

completely imaginary.

Now one of the things I may have wrong is a single

year off here, but approximately 3031,

they instituted a lot of these,

institutions, the Rockefeller

Institution.

We have the,

treasury coming in.

We have,

different applications

for our military. Basically,

it used to be when wars were held, it was actually

some type of a disagreement. But after this period, it became a commerce,

saying that war was done for commerce.

Well, that's

what World War World War put that into it? World War one was fought for commerce

because the the,

English with our buddies behind them were afraid that Germany with their engineering and manufacturing

prowess

was gonna overtake them. And the Germany had already built railroad

lines down into the Middle East.

You had the Sykes Picot treaty around there. Do you know about the Sykes Picot treaty,

Alan?

No. I I haven't recognized that, but I know at the same time, we just recovered from the, depression and had all this wonderful No. No. No. This wasn't in the depression yet. We weren't even there yet. This is back around World War one.

Sykes,

and Pico were British and French got together in a secret treaty

and split up the Middle East before World War one.

And it was never public until Russia

got taken over by the Bolsheviks, and they released that out of the files to the public.

And you'll still hear that referred to today as the Sykes Picot or Picot, however you pronounce that treaty,

where they split up the Middle East. They're still dealing with that today to a certain extent. So there's a lot of history here. Okay? That led up to and it was all over commerce. Okay?

And, led up to the, Great Depression, which Allen Allen alluded to when money was flowing. The credit tap was open.

And,

that,

crash in '29

did not affect necessarily the one in '33. I'm sure there were some effects there. I don't know all the specifics. They've got that real button down.

But you know damn well there was fraud involved with these people involved.

So in '33, we used gold all the way through those roaring twenties. We used real money, gold and silver, because we were free people.

We could use real money to buy things,

and we could actually

own them

because we were free.

After 03/09/1933,

they came out and released the,

the debt money at five. You go look at it in Black's Law Dictionary.

After five days, I believe the banks were reopened.

They were reopened under regulations

by the secretary of the treasury,

and we were using this new paper money. Well, there were no regulations

before that time. I've never found one.

There was no secretary of the treasury

because the secretary of treasury is you can go on title 28

of, the code treasury, and there's one sentence in there. I don't remember the section. The the secretary of the treasury is the governor of the fund.

Well, which fund is that? That's the International Monetary Fund in bankruptcy.

So they instituted that position, and that petition the position

regurgitated

regulations.

Never had had them before. And when the banks reopened with the paper, that was the scenario.

Because now they changed the system. We weren't free anymore, so we couldn't use gold. In fact, they confiscated all the gold.

They came back and issued regulations

under, as it says in black right there, under the secretary of the treasury.

And, people started being required to use licenses,

which is permission to do something which is otherwise illegal, which had never been required before.

So that's the, change in the system, and now you use paper money

because you're in their slave system or to be more accurate. They have a property right attached to you,

which means that because you're their property in essence,

you can't own other property. You control it like your car. You can have your car paid off, and they're gonna give you a certificate of title. A certificate

of title is not a title.

And all those other examples that we use to show that you are in effect

now after 03/09/1933.

Doesn't matter which generation you're born in from that date, you are born into a condition of voluntary servitude.

Then as you get older, they ask you, are you in this are you one of our

voluntary serves?

And you answer yes, not knowing. And then they say, well, do we have the consent to govern you in this capacity?

And you go, yes, not knowing what they're asking you, and then you sign something

to,

validate that.

So that's a scam. K? It's very simple little scam. They've gone to great lengths to pull it off.

But, that's what happened.

Alan, you got any more of Ollie's for me?

Well,

yeah. How does that affect us today?

If we walk You get to pay you get to pay those taxes you were talking about earlier for one thing.

You get to obey those speed limits.

You get to do everything else they tell you because you're controllable because they have a property right in you. So you get agents, you get agencies,

you get regulations,

little laws, they call them, man made little laws,

promulgated by whichever agency it is. And you've been they're they're in legislative

laws, these are regulations,

which are reinterpretations

of of,

laws that come out of legislature.

So they're unelected bureaucrats that regurgitate,

laws

into whatever form they want them to, and then they puke them on you.

How fun.

We're having a little crash course here for the new folks.

You didn't have

have happened to reach out to John, did you, Paul? I did.

I called him, and there was no answer.

I was not able to leave a voice mail because he hasn't set it up yet.

And I sent him a text message asking if he's okay out there

and asking him to join us

if he can.

Okay. If I don't hear from him later today, I'll

I'll go making the usual

searches.

Well, I might just call him on WhatsApp here in a minute and see if he answers. I'm a little worried about the boy.

So anyway, if you're new, you just got a crash course

in, what what we do here and why,

kinda.

It's real simple to get out of. It's real simple to understand once you get past all the confusing things that confuse you.

So,

anyway, that's what we do here. And if we don't have any new pope people that have answers or comments or questions or people we can help write outright,

then we get into these off discussions of different elements, different events,

that are happening geopolitically,

things that, could affect us in general along with the population and how special we are. And we can come out of her and the other people can't

because there's only one way to do this.

Unfortunately,

it's the way they've set it up. It is the feudal system,

and they've got to,

they've got to, do it this way to be able to get this property right on you so they can build this whole imaginary

society and world

where everything is based on lies. It's an illusion.

Everything is based on the lie that that

that debt is money

and that you're free. It's those two elements that create all this. Okay? Because that allows them

then to create the initial credit

swap or,

debt for money, debt for bonds, for debt, debt for debt.

Now that's interesting, isn't it? When countries go out and buy bonds,

they're swapping debt for debt, aren't they? Just like you would

well, I don't know. Interesting, though. I never thought about it that way. Regardless, that's what's going on.

And,

we, we'd like to to change the world as Alvin Lee said. That may be John right there. We'd like to change the world, and we know what to do. We just can't get enough people to listen now.

Mhmm.

It's interesting you can't use credit to pay

debt,

but you can use debt to discharge debt. Well well yes. It's weird.

Yes. Well, it's man, let me see. I'm gonna try

I'm gonna try and call John here.

Let's see if he's going on.

Hey, Roger. Yes. There's Larry. Yes, sir?

Yeah. I was just wanting your explanation

once again, because I asked Brent

on the show one time,

if The United States Government

went bankrupt

in 1933,

and he disagreed with that.

And, he said that the bankruptcy courts are

were were created by the federal government, and his reasoning was Every How can the federal government be a creature of what it created?

So I was wondering what your rebuttal is to that. It's a it's a it was done in the bond market. Let me just hold on a second. Let me see if I can get John John Caseara on the phone here and find out what's going on with that boy.

I tried his,

I tried his phone,

and I had no answer. WhatsApp, he might answer.

That's what I'm trying, but I can't see.

Good enough to have

just hold on with us for a second. That's the speaker.

John?

Okay. One ringy dingy.

Let's see if we can get mister John here.

Well, would you come and join us, please? We thought you might have dem demised.

We're had trouble in court.

I will could you if you get a chance, could you come join us? We thought you were dead.

Yeah. I'm I'm back. I had to pick a cat over to the county.

Okay. We'll get we'll get the cat get get back from the county cat dump, and we'll see you in a bit.

Just wanna make sure you were alive. Okay? Alright. Yeah. Ciao.

Ciao. Okay. Well, then John's still good. Now, Larry,

you read my book, Larry, didn't you?

Partially.

What? Well, in the first part in the first part well, which part did you read? The first part or the second part?

I started it but never finished it. Were you a while ago. You're are you above of all people,

need to read that legal argument, which is the second part. It's a masterpiece, man, and you need to read it at least twice.

Okay?

In the first part of the book that you evidently didn't get to, there's some excerpts from Lewis T. McFadden's

book.

And one of them is on the bankruptcy, and it says, United's

the ladies and gentlemen of the house of the United States is bankrupt.

The English auditors are in the treasury,

and there's 21

French limousines waiting outside.

And I'm I brought that up to Brent, said, bro, he's just a politician.

Well, no. McFadden wasn't a politician. He was a statesman, and he was a banker, and he knew what the hell was going on. This is another thing of Brent not being able to see the other side

like he couldn't for all those years when we were trying to explain this to him. K? Sure. That's full,

not my blankets.

Okay. So, anyway,

that and, the fact of just what I told you. Well, what else happened, Larry? When we went from gold to paper, what was that all about?

Out.

Larry?

Yeah.

I definitely

agree that,

something happened back then. Well, this is well, god my god is the head of the banking committee, the house banking, who'd been a banker his whole life, is telling you right from his own speech in front of the house of representatives,

these were alive, that the country's bankrupt.

I I'm a take him at his word.

Okay. That's what I think. Right. I I

I've read in the congressional record about the bankruptcy

with James Traffick, and there's another,

congressman that that talked about it. And,

but still

that you know,

Grant has a good point.

Again, how can the federal government be a creature of what it created?

It was

be a creature of what it

pardon me?

In other words, the the federal government created the bankruptcy courts. And so if it's if it's Bankruptcy.

It was done in the bond market,

the international

debt market.

It's probably why they did it there, Larry.

Look,

I don't know why Brent

can't see this stuff. I don't know why he thinks like that. But on a couple of these issues, to me,

he just can't see the forest for the trees.

So I just let him go on about his way. It's the same thing you brought up a while back about why he doesn't agree with the national thing. We had to go into all that again.

So all I know is on some of these key points, he just sees a he he marches to the beat of a different drummer.

K?

I got Alara expects everybody to agree on everything, and I I did they just don't.

I have a question.

Okay.

So if a state is bankrupt, the state would be bankrupt, and the higher authority of the state being bankrupt would be the federal government.

Now if the federal government is insolvent,

like, particularly, like, in the bond market or whatever,

what authority does the federal government

go to? It goes to the world central banks.

That's the authority over the federal government in bankruptcy.

Though it's not a matter of the federal government creating something,

that applies to itself.

They were,

the bankruptcy was created globally and the federal government said, woah. Woah. We can't pay the bill.

You know? You know what I mean, Vern?

That's the way it was. That's that's I I'm gonna look for an authority, and I consider congressman McFadden to be an authority,

Larry.

Okay?

So I'm gonna I gotta work for this. Part excuse me. Is that Joan? Joan, are you trying to ask a question?

Sorry.

Okay.

Alright. Roger?

Yes. There's Rick.

Yeah. What a way what a way to start the week out. Yeah, Rick.

Okay.

Real quick.

Lisa was reading something a couple weeks ago

about, 1913,

creation of the Federal Reserve,

And it stated she read something that it stated in there

that the interest on the money the Federal Reserve was loaning to The US would be US would be painting gold. And I suddenly

hit me that maybe

between 1913

and 1933,

all the gold was paid out in interest. So, therefore, there was no real money in The US, and we were bankrupt. And that's why

Roosevelt collected gold. Well, there's an you know, the well, there's a school of thought that said there was a big arbitrage.

Big arbitrage.

Who's got a mic open, please, if you close it?

There was a big play,

between The US and Europe on arbitrage,

is what they call a difference in prices,

on gold. And it well, I think it was $20 an ounce back then in The US. It may have been 30 or $40 an ounce in Europe. I don't know. But that they were taking it out of the banks, stealing it in essence, and arbitraging this,

difference over to Europe, and that was partially what they were trying to cover up for. I'm not sure if that's true or not. It's an interesting theory.

We know how these people are around

around any kind of real wealth. They just can't decide themselves until they steal it and acquire it.

So I do know this though, Rick, that back then,

one of the things they had to abrogate in 1933

was called gold settlement clause.

And there was a,

a clause in all contracts that if you couldn't settle it in paper, you'd settle it in gold.

And they went back and got rid of all gold

payment clauses in any contracts.

K? So I know that also.

Roger? But but,

I mean, you're yes. You're expecting to see we're bankrupt in legislation

stuff. Well, it was in legislation.

If you go, I think it was h j r one ninety two

about a month after March 9. It was in the April

when they went in there and said all the property in the country is, belongs to the government.

And then there's that magic little phrase,

except by operation of law, right at the end.

So they're they're telling you, you expect them to just come out with big, we're bankrupt,

big bold headlines in the federal register. Well, they don't do it that way.

They didn't want the people to know what the hell was going on when they're switching the system.

Okay. Where else? Yes. Who's that?

Samuel?

It's Samuel.

Yeah.

The way the the way the world works right is,

especially the country used to have,

we used to be able to legally discharge a debt.

Well,

after

they took the gold,

you could no longer legally

discharge a debt. You aren't you aren't bankrupt. When you can't discharge a debt? You aren't debt you aren't discharging a debt. You were paying a debt. You discharged a debt with other debt.

My point is

you no longer could lawfully,

constitutionally

pay a debt.

No. Isn't that what you did to a bankruptcy?

Wow. Aren't you bankrupt? I would think so, but for some people might. Brent might not. I don't know.

K? But, yeah, you could before you paid a debt with real money, gold and silver.

After March 9, you discharged a debt with other debt, the Federal Reserve note, which unbeknownst to you, you were the damn collateral for.

And and and and within a year, they changed the value of the gold that they now have possession of. They gave themselves a 78%,

raise.

They changed it from 20 to 35.

There's the old adage. The one who has the gold pays the bills.

Hold on. Yes, ma'am. Let's see. When Sam when Samuel is done, I

I so when Samuel is done, I have a quick question.

He's done. What's your question?

Oh,

in the nineteen twenties, when they used to have,

kids by the age of 14 knew how to handle their affairs, Then they changed it when they made it into The United States or the federal government into an entity. Wouldn't

that make that entity bankrupt?

Made the federal government bankrupt, and that's where you got put into surety for the federal bankruptcy as a federal citizen.

Or your grandparents or whoever at that point was there

got thrown into a surety position for that debt.

Was that Mary? Mary, was that Mary? Oh, okay. Thank you, Roger. Yeah. It's Mary. Yeah. Of course, it is.

Yeah. That's what happened. And and and you can go back and read the Woodrow Wilson

deal that he wrote. The the colonel house wrote to Woodrow Wilson lays the whole damn plan out.

And, yeah, they were gonna take here. And here's my

reasoning is that

now I know why the civil war was fought to set up this position of slavery

so that when they did bankrupt the country down the line, they could put everybody in as a surety.

And I think that's buttressed by the fact if you go back and look, they were totally commanding and guiding

Cyrus Scofield

to set up the whole dispensationalism,

score

just at the same time they were starting the civil war.

And it was being fought. So there's two major objectives

that are

started in the same era and paralleled each other to this day.

To this day.

Capisce?

Comment.

Sure.

It's very interesting that back in the, back in the old days and the times of homeschooling

and,

community or county courthouse or school houses and things like that, that 14 year olds could manage their own affairs.

Well, now,

teens do nothing but play games

and fart around

and play with their skateboards, this, that, and the other thing.

And they're barely able to maintain their own

affairs

at 18.

They play Ridiculous. Cell phones and while skateboarding.

K.

Yeah. Well, I Mary, have you ever seen that 18 hundreds test to get out of the ninth grade? Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. We talked about it on Poll English Life. Yeah. I've seen

it. Well, that's part there's part of your answer right there. Thank you.

Yeah. That was a college

level exam,

But it was eighth grade.

Mary, you were saying for Nowadays, well,

to me

well, aside from these cell phones were designed to get these kids addicted,

and the blue light and the problems with all of that. But

the the test that because my youngest son actually, all my kids except for Danielle,

none of them graduated.

They all dropped out.

But

I believe, personally, the reason kids do drop out and those kids that are labeled, oh, you're ADHD or you can't concentrate

or you're not smart enough, it's because,

subconsciously,

these kids know this is a bunch of bullshit.

Because the ice what do they call them here? In Illinois, ISAT tests,

we're like, you have to it's it's basically an IQ test, and they're dumb.

Well and see, here's now the teachers, when they get a classroom with those students,

they have to teach to the bottom dwellers.

And when they do that, they lose the more gifted students who are already ahead of them.

So it's a self defeating situation.

They're bored.

Yes. They're bored. They're not challenged.

They're actually kinda happen They're actually very

Yeah. It's kinda what happens around here.

You know, you're you're new. You come in. We school you up. You listen. This you hear the same thing pretty much over and over again because that's what we're obligated to do is teach to new people.

It's not that they're the bottom dwellers. It's just that they're the new people and they gotta learn these foundations. And people

that are around here for a while get tired of hearing the same thing over and over again and go off and do other stuff, I guess.

Yep.

Roger? Yes. I read that the male children of the Rothschilds

entered business at the age of 12.

I'm sure that's probably true.

Marrying their cousins and everything else.

So,

yeah. Yeah. That's where we are. So are any chance we but Mary, is Todd around? We hadn't heard from Todd in a couple days. He's still not hurting, is he?

Do we know? Todd's back in the hospital.

Oh my god. Really? Back in the hospital.

Uh-huh. Yeah. His bulging it's a bulging disc. They finally finally did an X-ray.

He's gonna be scheduled for an MRI to just see how because it I guess it's really bad. It's really, really bad.

Mhmm. I'm sure sorry to hear that. The breakdown, and he didn't wanna go. But I'm sure he didn't. I'm sure he did. This morning.

Well, give him our regards.

Want to push pain meds.

I know. I know.

And that's the only answer that I got.

Right.

And I know surgery, he really doesn't want that either because it's not doing surgery on your back is not a good idea. No. Any kind of surgery. They wanted to do, Danielle.

Any kind of surgery. We're not supposed to be having body parts taken out. We're not supposed to be having other people's body parts in our body. I mean, it's just

the medical establishment is just we need to go centralized medicine is what we need to do, just like the money system.

Well We need our gold and silver back, and just leave us the hell alone.

Well, mister,

excuse me, mister Kennedy

seems to be helping us a bit.

He

he's got the Indians all shook up

up there. Well, he's also

his hands are tied, Robert F. Kennedy. When you really look into it,

he's trying to clean up the mess as far as the,

medical establishment goes and get rid of HHS and all this other stuff, which I agree.

But at the same time,

they're they're only allowing him because if you notice, he's backpedaled on the vaccines.

Big time back backpedaled.

I haven't seen that. No. On all of including including childhood.

I I haven't seen that. And I think the reason he's backed off is because they're tying his hands and they're allowing him to do a little at a time. So, like, he's gonna pick away at this one, pick away at that one, and then go after him

for that.

Okay. Well, I see him doing just what I see him backing off. I don't see him backing off at all. He goes in and fires the whole CDC board. He's having that,

the he he hired a woman to run it, found out she'd lied to him, trying to get rid of her. She won't leave.

He's got a report from

40,000

or more employees at HHS that are

that are demonstrating

against him. But as far as I know, he's still pushing forward. So,

he's, he's It's DARPA

it's DARPA that's giving him a hard time. DARPA is the one that Well, I'm I'm sure they're giving him a hard time. I'm sure they won play probably play Yeah. They are. Try and kill him.

I'm I'm sure, but I think he's gonna because he's smart. The the guy's not dumb.

I think he's coming up with a legal loophole,

and he's gonna blindside him with it. That's what I think he's gonna do. Well, whatever And that's why he's like, okay. We'll back off the vaccines now.

And then,

we'll go after

start on other things. I'm very happy to come back to that table. I did not hear him back off the vaccines.

I know Pam Bondi is trying to take, like, fluoride and stuff and get that decision he made overturned.

But as far as I can tell, he and the state of Florida are totally on all out assault on the vaccines.

I have not heard him back off of that. Oh, yeah. I saw that.

That I know.

Florida that they they totally they took away the mandates.

Because the mandate is not a law anyway.

Well, may not So a mandate is a choice.

That's correct. But you see, when they mandate it,

it gives the pharmaceuticals

cover

because it gives them immunity.

When they unmandidate it, they lose their immunity.

Got it?

Correct.

Okay. Yeah. That I knew. Because I

once Danielle was injured from the MMR years ago, I was able to get her all the way through school with no with no shots at all. Yeah.

So it's, look. Any of these people that are plopped in those situations up there, can you personally imagine

being confronted with these powers, this established system that they've spent so many years

setting up to basically make us sick and kill us and require more of their pharmaceutical

crap.

And,

you know, the fact that he's even got as much done as he's gotten done in six months or seven months, whatever it is, is incredible to me. K?

So,

God bless him. And,

yeah, they'd like to kill him. He's may he's getting revenge for his father and his uncle.

That's what's going on.

K?

Really, I think.

So,

anyway, godspeed, Robert.

Get over the obstacles. I guess we're gonna get rid of Patel and Bongino

here pretty quick and see about what's going on with the FBI and the DOJ.

They've got all of these,

grand juries all over the country. Must be about eight or 10 or more of them.

They should start returning, true bills

and stuff here pretty quickly that will turn into, hopefully, some indictments.

And if there's no indictments issued by the end of the year, I think you're gonna see some major changes.

But we'll see. That's all speculation at this point.

Is there anybody out there with with a question or a comment on what we do here?

Anybody that's new that's

been having this whirlwind of a show go around you today?

Oh, I'm not new, but I I'm Well, no. Well, you might as well be new. It's been so damn long since we've seen you.

Yeah. Well, life gets in the way. You know?

John, welcome back, man.

Well, I was just worried about you. You hadn't showed up in two weeks. We hadn't heard a peep from you. I said, well, maybe, John,

something happened to him. I'd you know? And the problem we've all got here is if something did happen to you, who would who would contact us to let us know?

Right.

Not not even so much as a text message, John.

They don't hear proof of why. I was I was I was slipping.

Okay. It's in a everything just centers around in the morning. Right now, it's over a 100 degrees out here, and I have to go do my walks. And I got that marketing class,

and,

I've been working on these computers.

I've got, like, two or three of them fixed finally.

And,

so it's everything's right around the time the show starts.

You know, when I get up to get the walks, I gotta get up pretty early,

and,

I try to do three miles. Right. I've got three miles down pretty good now. I got up to five.

Great.

But, still,

it's just kind of everything kinda centers around

over the time of the show right now because I gotta get up. I can't do it later in the day, man. It's just way too hot out there. Dude. It's like that Harry Nilsson song. Remember that? Boom boom. Gotta get up. Gotta get out. Gotta get home before the morning comes. We're ready for that.

Hey. Gotta get up. Don't don't don't don't don't.

Ah, the great Harry Nilsson. Welcome, John. It's been on too long since Then I gotta get

I still haven't started on the passport stuff, but I gotta get that going too.

Well, okay.

Well, we were just concerned about you. That's all.

Well, I'm glad.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, John. Same with you. Nice to know somebody cares, isn't it?

Hey hey, John. One thing. I'm I have to apologize

for for how limited

the ability for you to join us is. I mean,

you're only able to come in over

Zoom. We don't we don't have another platform,

like like free conference call, for example, where you could join either by app or by dial up

from your cell phone while you're out on your walk. I mean, I'm I'm sorry. That that was my shortcoming. I'm just

There you go, John. Well, I can't I can't do that on the walk anyway. I I'm I'm Well, we would fully concentrating on getting We would want you to. Yep. We want you to get that walk done, buddy.

So what else has been happening, John?

That's really all about it. It's just

I had to take a feral cat over to the county this morning, and they all they get they again, they gave me an appointment. I had to be there at 08:00

Yikes. Which

is when the show started. So I get over there, and and I just got home.

Okay. So I ended up sitting there for a while. Alright. Well, we're glad you're back with us. Whatever. You've had an exciting summer. You went back to

Ohio for a class reunion, and you've got all this other stuff. Yeah. I was in Indiana.

Indiana. John is busy folks, and we're glad to have him back.

So,

what else? Who else has got something out there in the

in the audience that knew we need to hear about?

I was wondering if John morning, everybody. John, are you the one who was,

gonna

transcribe,

Terry Lee's I don't know if it was Terry Lee's

work off of a large PDF. I'm

not sure if you were the John who was gonna do that deal. Yeah. Yeah. I sent that out to everybody that, had asked for it.

I got it all scanned in, and his name made them into PDFs, and then I sent them out.

So, Oh, great. Okay. Maybe maybe I can ask you. Was Sheldon on that list? I have his email. I know. So

Well, Sheldon's the one that sent me that information to start with.

Right. Is that So did Sheldon dot me who had.

And then I had this I just wanted to get it in a form that it could be passed around easily and and make sure it was all correct.

There were two two two releases

and,

the first one and then the second release. But,

you know, he he he people are saying, oh, I wanted to help me with this case and that case, and they wanted it for traffic cases.

The stuff that he sent out has not been that helpful.

He's not really been forthcoming about how he locks their heels and how he gets things done. He mostly concentrates. And and the second thing that I sent out that he sent over, that Sheldon sent over

was

actually,

it had all the first stuff in there too.

There was there was some overlap. So,

you know, he's concentrating on his signature

and how he went to the court, and how he got his name recognized as a certain thing.

So I'm still you know, he talks about going into federal court. I'm still I've never been able to get an answer whether or not how he does that. How does he move it into federal court?

Nobody's responded about that at all.

So

there ain't much there. Don't place your hopes on.

But, anyway, there there's copies out there. And, you know, if you send me a a text or whatever, I can probably send you the copy that I sent out.

I've just never seen any of these approaches over all these years that's worked,

quite frankly.

Well, you know, these Bob Shaffer

Bob Shafer used to do that all the time. You know? He died on me. That's what caused my loss of all my stuff.

He he would just take him into federal court,

and,

he cost him a lot of money. He start filing paper and doing all kinds of things.

But then he died before I could learn all that stuff, and,

he was routinely

able to do land patents and control the property, and,

he was very successful with that. He got successful with that because

about fifty years ago, he had

a a family that had a lot of property in San Bernardino, and he ended up losing it all to the state.

And,

so he he put himself in his little trailer and

accumulated 9,000 law books, and it came out swinging four years later.

And that's

that was

notices that we post on properties and stuff. He had, like, 20 different notices he puts up on the properties,

which didn't stop them from selling my property.

But he wasn't here to defend it,

so I didn't get that part of it.

Anyway,

it's it's a learning curve. And then I gotta deal with the, phony letters, and then I gotta deal with the IRS issue.

I sent the IRS a revocation of election and a statement of nationality.

That's the first one I sent out in 2013.

They shouldn't even be talking about me anywhere,

but they're doing it anyway.

So that's what that's another holdup on the passport.

So, anyway, I have to start working on that because I they want me to resolve it within ninety day period.

Otherwise, they'll just close the case.

Which what case is that?

The IRS? Asking for a passport. Yeah.

They want me to get

say, okay. I'm a US citizen and say if you'd if we don't hear from you within ninety days, we'll just close it out.

Oh, yeah. Okay. But we won't give you more time. Well, just

no. You gotta respond.

Well, yeah. I I need the passport now.

Yeah. See, I never needed the passport before. Yeah.

Well, your case will be interesting to see because they've got an obligation if it's IRS oriented.

They've got an observation to to renew those liens every seven years.

And if they don't, they go away. I know. I know. I'm just telling you that they're on the debt period. And that's, I think, what happened with Harvey. Because Harvey, they owed god Harvey must've owed him close to a million dollars according to their figure.

And somehow he got that passport. So the only thing I could figure was they didn't renew the lanes. Go ahead.

Oh my goodness. The letter just

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Well, that guy can whistle, can he?

Thank you.

We were talking before the little see you later

interruption

about the underpinnings

of all of that stuff. Anyway, go ahead, John, if you would. If you wanna pick up there, if you can remember where we were.

Well, yeah, I've you know, I'm gonna send out the copy. Berta asked me to send there the copy of the letter, and I'm gonna do that

and

then start looking for answers. I think you mentioned that Larry had posted some stuff on the matrix docs

that's been used successfully.

Yeah. Obviously, it can be dealt with because other people have gotten bluff letters. Well, we've never had one that wasn't successfully dealt with to my recollection, John.

Oh, Paul Well, they're dealing Excuse me. Patel's,

who's our gal in California?

Her mother.

Padgett.

Paige Padgett's mother.

Padgett. Yeah.

Only one. Only one. And she we probably could've resolved that one.

But she didn't keep a copy of what she included in with the application,

so we had nothing to hold their feet to the firearm.

That's the other thing I have to do, is I have to find my copy and the green

thing that the IRS got that revocation of election.

So what I'm having to do since it's not in the box I thought it was in,

with with the move,

nothing is where I thought it was.

But I do have all my old hard drives, so I'm gonna have a I'll have a copy of that,

somewhere. I've gotta find those hard drives and go through that because I composed it on a hard you know, on a word processor. Mhmm.

So I'm gonna look for that and

challenge it that way. I've gotta get rid of the that IRS thing because they can use that. That

it's it says they may not give you a passport.

Well, if they didn't wanna get and besides, the bluff letter just says, well, you know, we don't have any other information. They're They're just ignoring the affidavit that I sent in two years ago.

Well, if you if, if it didn't

specifically apply to a passport application, they might not have that in the passport file.

Well, we said send it you said to send it in cold. Remember, we started doing these things cold. I do. But remember what what generated that? I don't know what the hell they do with them when they got them up there. But if you've sent it in already and you have a copy and proof of that, then I guess I have proof of the Alright. Well, then you could use that

to say, hey. This was in already. This that you're using against me shouldn't apply.

I want what's the next step in my administrative appeal here?

I already approved. Send a copy.

I did send a copy of,

the

I got 25 originals, so I just took one of those and

stuck it in my package as well.

I wrote on it copy

already on file with secretary of state.

Okay. Well, good luck, John. It gets complex under the it's unusual situation. John had some skeletons in his closet.

That's one of the reason I asked folks that question when we're embarking on the passport

dialogue conversation.

Anybody else in the audience got something today? We're in the second half of the show. You have something? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I have a comment. Lady, Linda, Louise. We're gonna alright. Let let Linda will get you in just a second, sweetheart.

Hold on.

Paul first. Yes.

If you go to the matrixstocks.com

and you go down underneath the free conference call links,

you will see,

in red, I think, bonus materials or whatever.

In there, you will see a link to docs.exposethematrix.com.

You click on that link,

and you will see a folder

called Terry Lee.

Scroll

to that folder if it's not on your screen.

And then in there, you will find Terry Lee one, two, and three

that John sent to me. So it's all up there. Let index dot expose the matrix. Kathy, was that George? I think it was George from Idaho that was asking about that. Now we're gonna turn our attention to the lady, lovely lady, Linda Louise. Yes, ma'am. How are you

this lovely Monday morning? I'm well. I'm well. I just wanted to share with our community

that,

a friend of mine, Edmond George, e d m u n d, George, g e o r g e. He's known on Rumble as Ed George

forty four.

And what he did this past Tuesday, he got

the federal court of claims

is taking his case.

When he sent in the paperwork

the first time around,

they denied him because he didn't follow the rules, you know, some little snafus.

Well, the second time around, they're taking a case. And,

this traffic situation

is what the subject matter is.

And he has five states, the DOT, the DMV

that is being addressed that

we people that are nationals

are free to travel

with our personal conveyance,

and he's confident that he's gonna win this case.

So I would encourage

John and whoever's interested

to go to edgeorge44.

He's on Saturday night, so you can hear him live and you can ask him questions.

The rumble channel, of course, you can get on and then you can listen to the, the reviews, you know, the recordings.

Dave of the thumb and his beautiful wife, Pam, are regulars

on this,

forum.

A lot of folks from the radio ranch, Sherry from Arkansas, is on that forum.

So this is gonna be excellent news because,

he anticipates

that he's going to address all 50 states.

So, he's a real knowledgeable man. He does the national status a little differently than you do. I love the way you do it, Roger, because it's easy peasy.

Bing, bang, boom.

I think his is a little more convoluted. But be that as it may, he gets people to get their status as nationals,

and, he's a very noble

human being. I just,

love him and respect him, and I yield.

I'm interested to see how this turns out, Linda, because it's the first time I know of one of our people,

applying to the US Court of Claims, which

people like the late Wayne Hague

thought was the only

common law court left in the country. I don't know that that's true, but I'll be interested to see. And it's interesting to see that they accept the traffic.

I have something related

to that.

If you go to if you go to edgeorge44.com,

go to edgeorge40four,

You will find all of the,

you'll find all of the links to all of his platforms and stuff like that.

You'll find everything there.

Alright. Ferris? Thank you, Paul. Okay. Linda, I'm a let your friend, Ferris, speak here. Ferris,

said you had a comment.

Come on, Ferris.

Somebody must have zapped him already.

No. He just hung up. Hey, Roger.

Okay. Yes, Larry.

Yeah. I was wondering if, if John is still there, if he can elaborate, if he'd be willing to elaborate

on, he's he mentioned

he filed an ROE,

back in 2013,

and,

and the IRS is still coming back on him for failure to file.

Can he elaborate on what he sent in and whose process he used? Well, I think that Reese Paris. I

okay. So you were actually applying for back years that you hadn't paid in?

See, here's where I think we're we're giving things No. No. No. Is it is attaching that label,

revocation of election,

to to more than one

action.

Iron Man.

Okay.

Hang on, Ferris.

We're on and just hold on. We're no. You gotta hold on, Ferris. I called for you twice, and you weren't there. Yeah. They dummy. They dummy. That's how it works. You know, if you want

Okay.

Who who's that? No. I moved you to another room

where

it's not a dump. I moved you to I moved you to another room.

I moved you to another room.

I moved you to another room. Ferris,

I'm gonna shut you off completely.

Wait.

You let him say what he wants to say, and let's see if it's if it gets off on the right track, just dump him.

Can he talk now or not?

Is that you clearing your throat?

Okay, Ferris. I don't know what it is, but you're as usual Ferris.

Totally disrupting the frigging program. We're gonna drop you and go on. Okay. Who is who's talking with?

Hell, now if you forgot what we're talking about.

Ferris. Okay. No.

You

if you call in if you call in from multiple lines, all of those lines will be dropped.

Okay. Roger,

go ahead and speak. By disruptor rate. Hang on, Larry. Ferris, go ahead and speak. You are connected.

Thank you very much, Mike. You're you're a, a real mensch.

Hey. I just wanted to echo Roger's comments with little Louise because although this guy's very confident about what he's going into, we wanna hear the outcome.

And not all of us, stay tuned into all those things, but it is always good to hear her,

her,

Boston accent.

Okay. Hi, Yield. Is that your addition?

Okay.

That's it. My interest was the fact that I've had a big curiosity about The US court claim for a long time,

and, it'd be interesting to see here's somebody. It's got some very interesting attributes, this US court of claims. That's the vaccination court, Paul. Did you know that?

And when somebody takes a vaccination

case to the US Court of Claims in the vaccination court, The US pays both sides of the attorneys,

and they pay the fine also.

It's got some other very usual what I have found in all my years when I was back more active at it, especially,

is things that popped up as an exclusion,

you always wanna look into.

Why is everything

except that

like this?

So anytime you find those one off exclusions,

you wanna look into them. The US Court of Claims has got a number of those.

So, anyway, interesting little, deal. I'll be interested to see when and if he gets

a a just a judgment

or decision or whatever

back. Some kind of ruling back from him, Linda. Thank you.

Now who else had something to I remember

Ralph went around.

He, he said that, you know, based upon his deep dive on all the different courts, that the only courts we should be act going to was the court of claims.

Well, the other piece of information and somebody said, Roger, I'll get to you, but I'm gonna add this because everybody wants to talk to you, it seems like.

Dave, you and your wife are everywhere. You're like chicken man.

Where I got that piece of information was Wayne Hague,

h a g e, I believe, is the

he was a huge landowner out in Nevada

and had fisticuffs

with the,

the BLM land people.

And,

he won his case

posthumously

at the Supreme Court.

And in a series of videos he did, Robbie Noel used to talk about him.

He said in one of those videos,

our findings are that the US Court of Claims is the only common law court left in the system. We see that would make a lot of sense, the way these guys do things. They get rid of it everywhere else, but they isolate it down to one.

So it's still there. It's just that you can't access it or it's just like this getting out of this whole deal through the secretary of state, same type of idea.

Anyway, that's where I got that years ago.

I've always been curious about it. One time, Glenn sent something out

about the the,

that court, and it said

everything is you know, it's like I was saying, a big exception. Everything's always like this except for the,

federal court claims.

So it's always kinda piqued my curiosity. Let me just leave it there.

Roger, if I may, lady with Linda Louise, may I? Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Of well, of course, you can.

Okay. I just want to, respond to,

Farris and,

wanting, results.

This is a letter from governor Pat McCrory

from Raleigh, North Carolina.

It's dated November 23,

2015.

It was written to the governor

by the United States of America Department of Travel. And what did he say, this,

agent?

The agent was

Nora

Eisenberg

and,

she's the foreign national division.

And she said re, which means in reference to

violation of the US Supreme Court rulings regarding the right to travel.

Subject colon education of law enforcement

and North Carolina

judiciary.

Dear governor McCrory, we are sending this correspondence

to make you aware of the unconstitutional

acts committed by your law

enforcement agencies

and state courts against the people of of North Carolina.

These acts may or may not have been committed knowingly or unintentionally,

but we are willing

we are writing to your office to ensure that these violations

are brought to your attention so that they can be addressed and corrected.

Next paragraph.

As you may or may not know, there are people in your state whose status is ostensibly

different than the average US citizen

and are considered foreign nationals or American nationals

with certain safeguards

and protection under the law.

Our primary concern

is that their travel rights in your state are not infringed. Next paragraph. In order to educate your law enforcement regarding foreign nationals or American nationals in your state, you can call the Department of State here in Washington, DC to get clarity or you can go to the Department of State's website, then they give the website,

and download

the manual.

The Department of State also offers training for your law enforcement offices free of charge to raise awareness and compliance.

Log on to next paragraph. We have enclosed one of our affidavit forms for,

the exemption of registration and licensing for foreign nationals

that foreign nationals have to file in your state to lawfully claim the exemption.

The affidavit

can also be used by US citizens who are not driving or operating a motor vehicle for profit or for hire.

Please forward this information to all of your law enforcement agencies in your state to prevent any unnecessary lawsuits from being filed against these agencies

for not following the law and violating the rights

of the people to freely travel without interference

unless they are a threat to the public safety.

Last paragraph.

If you have any questions regarding this matter, please feel free to respond in writing by mail or fax. Any question or concerns you may have, and we will be happy to answer and address them. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and consideration in this matter. Best regards,

Eisenberg, Foreign National Division.

CC, Department of Justice Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Department of Secretary,

John Kerry.

So hopefully, that's proof enough that my friend, Ed George, gets things done. I yield. Linda, that's about to get a copy of that. The damnedest official correspondence on this topic I've ever heard.

John's question, how do you get a copy of that? And if you folks say pretty please,

maybe I'll be the lady gracious enough to send it to Paul, and Paul can, distribute as he feels. I think we need to have that sucker on the website somewhere.

Absolutely. I think there's I think there's an Ed George folder,

up in Google Drive, and that might already be in there.

Good find, Linda. Well, it behooves us to read the the documents, I guess. I mean, I I'm I'm hearing for the first time that Larry hasn't read From Sovereign to Serve. So,

I know that I read books, but I have to read them over and over and over again, Larry. So

I

encourage you to do so. Let me, All things considered.

Can I ask a quick question, Linda?

Who's speaking?

This is Mary from Illinois. Mary. Greetings, Mary.

Greetings. I love your accent. Thank you.

I've been listening to you all day. How may I bless you?

What are the claims court? I've never heard of that.

The federal court of claims?

Really? I don't know. Well, for one thing, it's the vaccine court. Any vaccine

cases that go up go to that court. And as I was saying a minute ago, the US government pays both attorneys.

And if there's a fine or if,

instituted

in the case, they pay the fine.

It's very unusual. It's called The US Court Of Claims. You can go study it.

Hey, Ryan. Go ahead, Linda.

I yield, and I thank you for your time. God bless you, Bob. Well, thank you so much for bringing that to us. Well, I wish I had that letter when I was fighting my traffic case.

It cost me a lot of money.

My insurance is up to $383

a month now. Oh, for that run-in that light?

Yeah.

What was the charge in your traffic case? Was it speeding?

No.

I turned against a, left arrow red light, and there was no traffic and nothing.

I looked back to see if there was a cop, and I didn't see any cop behind me.

But I made the turn, and she chased me down. And,

it didn't go well. Part of the problem was

it would have disappeared had I gotten the right court date. I've messed up the court date. I didn't appear. She didn't appear,

which is what would have dismissed it.

And

so the judge just went ahead and fined me. Then I asked for a rehearing. He wouldn't give it to me. What was your insurance before this incident?

85 doll well,

yeah, it bought $85. There were three things that happened.

Woah.

One was a rolling stop.

There was no cop in sight. It was late at night. I was coming back from LA,

and I didn't quite,

come to a complete stop. I didn't see anybody or anything. No lights. No nothing. And I'd made a left turn and then made a right turn. And before I could get on down the road, the cop was behind me and gave me a ticket for a rolling stop.

The other one was just a little

fender bender minor fender bender in parking lot at, Costco

and then the red light.

So they gave points on each one of those.

So I gave three points. Hey, Ron. So I went You know, I

called it. Could Wahi, please don't interrupt.

Just should you wait till there's a pause?

So your insurance went from 85 to 385

on those 383.

Yeah. Okay. Close enough.

Man,

yikes.

Okay. Waiheeb, what's, what story with your insurance going up?

Yeah. I'm I had a similar situation.

I I stopped. I mean, it's your word against his. Even if you stop,

it was a stop sign. I stopped at the damn thing.

He said, this is twenty years ago, but it was $200

twenty years ago.

What are they in your state,

guy?

Well, he lives in California too.

He's in California. He's right. Not too he's over in Riverside, probably not too far from you, Waiib.

That's a pretty, pretty unbelievable.

Well, that's a good reason not to,

test the traffic laws if you're just wanting to try and press the envelope.

Because I guess if you do lose,

you get the effect of John and an extra $300

a month just for

car insurance?

Well, obviously, I'm not gonna pay it.

I'm gonna go shop around and see what I can get, but

I have the ability to show proof of financial responsibility

or in in lieu of an insurance policy.

Okay. And I I'm driving a truck that's 15 years old to 02/2007.

I don't really care. I I can certainly afford to replace it if I have an accident or something. I just need the liability just to Right. Make it easier to deal with things. So I'm not gonna continue to pay that. No. No way. But it's just a good illustration

of what I was saying. Yes, sir. Somebody right there.

Even though I did letters to the officer, it did other things. It it didn't work. And in court, they they just railroaded me with a plea and forced me into the meeting.

And,

yeah, I didn't show. It's my fault. I messed up on the court date. If I had done that, it would have been dismissed.

Yep. You'd be Charles Aylin. Okay. I also wrote well, I still would have had a higher thing and have two points on there, but it wouldn't be any size it is now.

See, I wrote a letter to the officer too claiming that the officer violated committed a misdemeanor because under California law, they're not allowed to stop you unless you're you're in the commission of a crime or suspect you of a commission of a crime.

And she totally ignored the national status stuff. So

Yep. Jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Now there was a guy trying to say something. Lady Linda wants to come back in. Linda, I'm gonna go to the guy first because he was clearly first. Who who was that?

That was me.

Joe. Joe. Hi, Joe.

Hey.

So a couple of things,

with John, his insurance, you know, I have the insurance bond that I made.

That works.

The the DMVs have been accepting it across the country, but He wouldn't have a problem if he just used the insurance line, and that would be on file with the DMV system so the cops would actually have access to it in their in their database.

They wouldn't ticket him for no insurance,

And they just you

know?

That's it. So the insurance find that, Joe? That. It's very simple.

How do I find that? Shared

it with,

Mirica in the Telegram room. You can check there.

You have it on on on Rumble too.

Yeah. It's on Rumble as well. Yeah.

Yeah. I made the bond,

and as long as you send it registered now to yourself and then put the DMV on notice about it, you'll see that you have a registered

bond

for your insurance. That's that's why you move for a financial responsibility.

That's the proof.

And then I have something for John too, Roger. Well, there was there was another thing, though. He can do an abatement

on his court case

just showing, like, you know, the inconsistencies with the with the court matter, and it may just dissolve the court case

altogether,

okay, by doing an abatement on that.

But I wanted to bring up the reason why I was actually chiming in was because of the letter that, Linda Louise read,

and that letter is what triggered me to go find the DOT exemption

a few years ago. I had come across that letter, and and I was looking for

that

the the thing that they were talking about in there, the exemption.

And I went crazy going through the Department of Travel information trying to find this exemption

form,

and it brought me it ended up bringing me down to,

the OMB website.

And through there, I was looking through all these different forms and stuff like that, and finally, I came across this, MC one fifty form, which is the DOT

form. And that is how I got the exemption.

Cool. It was that letter that triggered that whole thing from us. Good digging.

Okay.

So how you been, Joe? Okay? I heard from you a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Doing

doing pretty good.

You know, like I said, like, my court case got got handled. They dismissed all the charges.

But they wouldn't say the charges out loud in the courtroom, which I thought was interesting.

They only called them by number and then dismissed it off of the number itself.

Alright. You decided to go after them or not?

No. They gave me my stuff back. You know?

And, I figured I'd just let it be that way. I'm not gonna push it any further.

Yep. Well, probably maybe a good decision. I understand.

Cool. How do you find stuff on your Rumble account? I mean, is

is it you put is it in the,

headings and stuff? Because I tried to go over to your account before, and I have to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling in order to find

different things that you're talking about.

How do you know, like, searching for stuff?

Yeah. If I wanna find the insurance bond, how do I

You gotta put in the search bar, just put my name in as one word and then the subject you're looking for, and then you'll find it that way.

Okay.

And then the descriptions in the description of the videos, it has a link to my Telegram group which has that insurance bond in there.

On your Telegram channel?

Mhmm. Oh, yeah. It's definitely in there. I've I got probably, like, three or four of them in there.

Two different versions.

What's your Telegram channel under?

It's private because of the scammers that would come on to Telstra. So you you can only access the link through one of the videos on Rumble.

Okay.

Great. Thanks.

I like

Okay. I'll look into that today.

Judge, you have anything else or Question for Joe.

Okay. Go ahead. No. I got you, Matt. I got you, Matt. Letter. I knew that letter.

I just thought that letter was cool, and I wanted to just let you guys know that was the impetus that got me started on the DOT stuff. I've never heard that before today. It's a pretty impressive letter, especially from a Jewess.

So good for you. Want a copy. I really want a copy of the affidavit that they talked to or talked about that nationals could send to the state to get them to immediately

fall off.

Yeah. It back off. Absolutely.

I think the most important part of that package wasn't released.

Okay. We're we're we're about to go back to miss Linda there. She was in hold in the holding line, in the holding queue. Linda?

One one question for Kim.

Thank you, Laja. Paul, I'll

ask Edmond about that if you wish.

Also, I'd like to

ask Joe. Thank you, Joe, for

typing in. What was the number of that form that you got your exemption number from with the OMB?

MCS one fifty? Yeah.

That's it. MCS one fifty. I was trying to get to my new button.

Okay. MCS one fifty. Okay. That's a good thing for all of us to explore.

And, I just would like to remind everybody, if I may,

that the eighth amendment of the United States Constitution prohibits excessive deals, excessive signs,

and cruel and unusual punishments.

And this is what,

Trump used, his staff, his legal staff,

and got him off of the, Leticia James or whatever,

hamster wheel.

And so,

I'm doing a case right now,

helping a female,

patriot

national here in Connecticut who was just horribly abused,

last Thursday.

And,

I'm in the middle of putting together

her her her documents. But the first thing is indeed jurisdiction.

But be that as it may,

she's been a patriot since 2015, and they've abused her horribly over these over these years.

And so I know that by the grace of God, I've been treated with respect.

So I'm doing her documents

as her assistance of counsel.

And,

I'm going to use everything in the arsenal that I have

and,

reschedule and everything. And

with the guidance of my beloved, maybe,

follow his lead

and get some,

finances in her coffers because she's practically

the abuser just without question.

So,

anyway, I don't know whether

they pick on

young,

she's not that young. She's around my age, but

she's frail and delicate

and lovely. And I don't know. Some people, these road pirates,

know when to,

abuse women,

sadly.

I know that John is,

a gentleman, and

and he has been abused by a female cop. But,

we need to our duty

is to take them to the mat,

and,

that's what I'm in the middle of right now, and I yield.

God bless you, girl. Okay. Your sketch, I think that was you. He was trying to address Joe, wasn't it?

Yeah. I was just asking,

if he his case was sealed or what happened to the paperwork, and is it publicly available?

The the records were sealed. They sealed

every bit of my information.

The the cops can't even run my data in their system anymore because it comes up blank.

So they they they kinda like not even they're told just because not even

not even bothering me now.

So they sealed all my records. That's about the ultimate sign of success, isn't it, Joe? I

guess so. Yeah. Yeah. No. They just because the guy tried to run my my passport, and he said that all my information is sealed, and he thought that it was a fake account.

Because this looks like a fake account because there's nothing anywhere.

I guess we could ask

I I guess we could ask what time is it.

I think we know what time it is. Thank you. I yield.

Oh, we're approaching some kind of a of a of a irresistible

force and an immovable object.

Somebody was trying to say something to ask a question.

Well, fortunately, Joe has all these things. He could post it out if he wanted. Couldn't you do that, Joe?

I mean, your your paperwork isn't sealed. You got it.

I have yeah. I have my paperwork. I mean, I I don't mind sharing it. I'll tell you guys what I did,

and I'll

yeah, I'm gonna put it out in the public eye.

Say again?

I probably wouldn't put it out in the public eye because I think it might make them angry.

You know?

Like, if they they decided to steal the case, steal all my records,

to hide all that paperwork that I put in Did And they dismissed all my charges.

Mhmm.

Did they get you in a do not disclose agreement anyway in that final settlement?

No. They didn't. They never said anything about that. I just had a feeling that it's probably better not to because there has been in the past where I would review certain videos.

The the cops would start following me around. And

so I I figured it's probably better to leave that link.

But privately, I I'll show you people what I did. I'll show everyone what I did privately, but I I'm not gonna put it on, like, a public forum or anything.

Okay. You're trying to protect your family, Joe.

That's all you need to say. You're trying to protect you and yourself and your family. That's a good reason. So it's so important not to Yep. Not to share it. Mark and I, did you have something to add in the previous conversation here at at one point? I did.

Yes? I did. For John. I just wanted to make sure he sent,

a reminder notice to the attorney general and the minions that are under him,

that are harassing him. So it's on the record, and it needs to be with,

a sent to the judges, to the clerks,

and whoever's involved in whatever, you know, the the,

fine that she he that he got,

so that if he wants to appeal it

or do something about it, he can use that.

That is on the record. They are noticed that they that they have his affidavit,

as a private individual of California.

Alright. Attorney general knows that. So Yeah. It could work to his benefit.

Okay. And they're personally liable if they don't if they ignore it.

The okay. More water that gets under the bridge there, the

less effective sugar drive that's gonna be, I think. Later.

Okay? You and I can talk on the phone. Is that right? Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. That's fine.

Okay. Joe. Alright. Well, somebody's trying to get in there. Go ahead. Comment for Joe's.

Go ahead.

I I think that was the one that was trying to get get in.

He was calling. He talked I was gonna say in there tomorrow. Wednesday

last Wednesday,

there was a conversation about Brandon and Joe Williams

and

about Joe knowing Brandon

and being,

that would know more about

Brandon's

beliefs on

State National,

which doesn't really exist.

And can he make I don't know if he heard Wednesday's show, but is there can you make a comment about that? Anything he knows about what Brandon's been pushing about the white

citizen

Well and what have you.

I just talked to Brandon about the other day on the phone. I've known Brandon for about twenty years, by the way, just so everyone knows. You know, we used to be roommates many years ago and

you know,

anyway, the thing is,

he is

saying the same stuff that Roger has been teaching everybody into.

It's just that Brandon

found this on his own doing his own research

because he won't listen to anybody. That's just how he is. He doesn't listen to people. He just reads things and learns on his own. And that's fine as long as he, you know, has

correct information.

Yep. But like the Plessy versus Ferguson case. Right? That thing, the slaughterhouse cases, the Dred Scott case, those are what he's using

for his argument.

And this is what Roger has been telling everybody. So he's he's correct

in the fact that, you know, like, the fourteenth amendment does not apply

to white people. Look at 42

US code nineteen eighty three. True. Now it is very clear that it states that. Roger brings it up all the time, the civil rights there.

I think my objection

Joe, my what caught my ear when they were talking about him, because I've never heard of the guy before, was that he's calling. He said the state department refused

to recognize his affidavit as a state national.

That's what I was told on the air.

And I said, well, why Why would he

Yes?

Sorry. Go ahead. Well, I was just ago, he's he's he's retracted that concept to state national. Okay. He's on state citizenship.

Oh, okay. State citizen, national, whatever, but there's no such thing anywhere as a state national.

No so why how could they confirm it when it it doesn't exist? But, anyway, if that was older and he's come come around since then, that's okay.

Hey, Raj.

Yes. He won't even use the term national. He just says state citizen because of all the court cases we read confirmed that really it's state citizenship that is the real key. Well, if he wants to fight the guys in the modern era, they switch that to national. He's got to understand that concept and start using the terminology

they use.

That's the only way to beat them. That's the key to the matrix. Now that we know the definitions

is being able to use those words they used to entrap us, and we use those words to free us. That's it.

Paul?

They haven't used the term state citizen for decades.

Oh, it's been long since.

Farris has a point of order. He'd like the floor. Farris, go ahead.

Can you hear me now? Yeah.

Good.

Just a point of order.

We must

cease and desist

using the word. Roger is just talking about the importance

of each word.

We cannot use the words

insurance bond.

Insurance and bonds are opposite.

Insurance

is a hedge against a risk.

A bond is guaranteed that something will happen.

So let's call them surety bonds.

Do not call them insurance bonds. You're misleading the people who are listening.

Okay. Fair enough.

You We we it's not like it it comes up, every day. It hardly ever comes up.

Came up today. Harris, if you're gonna have multiple connections to the show, I'm gonna drop every damn one of them because they create echoes and problems.

So pick which line you wanna be on and stay on it and hang everything else up.

This is your only warning. Done.

Please. Thank you. Done.

Mhmm.

K.

It's your assignment should you choose to accept it. Okay. Who's got something else to, bring to the table here?

You got a few minutes left.

Few minutes left in the old program. We hadn't talked about one one say something about his statement about the bond.

Yeah. Just let me add this, Joe. In the whole show, we haven't talked about one current event

today, period. Go ahead, Joe.

Just unusual.

So

so that's incorrect because there's this thing called a liability bond,

which is in it's an insurance

policy.

Right? If you go look in your state statute, it'll tell you that you can use a surety bond for in place of insurance.

So it it

is insurance, like, it's just a closed deal term insurance bond,

but that's what it is. It's like to call liability bond.

Right? It's intended to protect or assure from liability for damages and protect someone from damages or injuries occurred. That's

that's insurance. It's for the liability bond.

So

that's not that's not a totally correct statement that he made there. That

it's it's it's kinda half half off.

Raj? Yes.

There's Dave.

Dave, good morning. Hey. I tried to get in a while back. Dave, I wanted to ask you a question. Good. I'm glad you popped up. You reminded me.

What about these 4,277

fake employees they found up there? Have you heard about that?

I no. You gotta fill me in.

Well, I saw the announcement from the budget board or something of the Michigan,

departments,

and they have found,

oh, $5,000,000,000

billion. That's 5,000 million dollars

worth of waste

by hiring 4,277

fake employees.

That was announced the other day. That was announced

public.

That's pretty good.

5,000,000,000

stolen?

5,000,000,000?

They took that money and then did other stuff like,

glass blowing,

some kind of glass blowing under an art culture thing, a couple other

grievous examples. Anyway, that I just wanted to ask you if you'd heard about it. So now you hadn't. I Well

No. I am remiss. I did not hear that one, and I hope they do something about it and give us our money back. But Well, they you know, that'll never happen. Oh, at least they've exposed it. And they were saying, whoever has control of the budget

and their legislators,

I think, which she they said they won't meet with us. So

go ahead. No. Golly. I can't imagine why. Go ahead. Well, I just wanted to to announce some,

breaking news back when I first chimed up.

You know, Trump is battling

with his, federalizing

the

the, National Guard wants to send him to Chicago. I guess he they said he posted a manipulated

I can't remember the language now, but he said,

he I love the smell of deportation

in the morning.

He posted on stuff. Good for him.

I got a kick out of that. I thought it was relevant. Yeah.

Trump can drop a goodie every now and then. That's for sure. Yep.

That's even something else I wanted to mention, and I've it slipped to my mind again.

Yes. Is that Waheed? Waheed.

Again.

Roger, what do you think of Aaron Shroyer and Alex Jones' controversy?

There is no controversy. Wish they go we agree to disagree. We got differences. I'm gonna go off on my own. I love you. Thanks. See you later.

Good luck. That's what I wish would happen, and that is kind of what's happening, it seems like.

Roger.

Yes.

I have a

accounting question, but I'll bring in the the current affairs,

the the change of the DOD into the,

war department.

I'm wondering if all the,

accounting of the DOD will be

transferred over to the war department. The the one that they, you know, all the billions and trillions of dollars they couldn't account for. I'm wondering if that switch will disappear all their debts. Well, it's already disappeared. You don't have to worry about that. They're never gonna bring that forward. It's never gonna be mentioned.

FASB fifth 56

thing that Catherine Fitts talks about with the unlimited double books, the 14 magic

money machines that Elon Musk found. All of that stuff's gonna be interesting. I'll tell you though, what is going to to be and is currently

a unique situation sketch,

and that is that they're going after this Federal Reserve Board member in a grand jury.

You know what I'm talking about?

K? The the black gal that's up there that refuses to leave. You got two that won't leave. The gal that's ahead over CDC

that Robert Kennedy originally appointed evidently, but she'd lied to him. He caught her in some lies and asked her. And I heard him say this. So ask her, are you gonna are you honest? And she said no.

And so that's when he decided to fire her. She now she won't leave. And then this woman at the Federal Reserve that they found three mortgages now,

three primary residence mortgages that she's taken out on homes. That's mortgage fraud.

She won't leave,

and now they're going to the grand jury to get her indicted first time ever. And the significance of that is

that Trump wants to get the interest rates lowered.

These high interest rates, the stalling of the housing department,

the other rates, the difficult

they have stopped

a bunch of what he would have had as a growth in the economy,

I believe. So that's what he's been fighting with Powell about.

And the vote in there, Powell's the chairman,

He's probably paid by the International Monetary Fund.

But regardless,

Powell's the chairman, ironically enough, that Trump appointed in his last term. And the votes have been five to four

on not raising on,

not lowering the interest rates.

And now with her gone, you get a Trump appointee in there, and it'll reverse that to his side.

That's the importance of it.

Yes. Lisa Cook, I think, is her name.

Yes. And back back to the accounting.

Earlier in the show, you mentioned the two constitutional

taxes that, nationals are required to,

file and pay.

Now we've heard that people have gone to the state with gold and silver and tried to pay their taxes. I'm wondering

to pay the lawful tax

with the US government,

has anybody tried

to use gold and silver to pay those? Why would they?

Why would they?

Okay.

Now alright. I I agree.

But wouldn't there be a Yeah. Yeah. You know, you have the GOA and that you have the GOA.

That that's the government accounting,

administration for the US government. Do you know if there's a g accounting for The US

You may you mean the GAO,

government account GAO. Sorry.

Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah.

Okay. Now rephrase the question.

Yeah. So if there is a GAO,

and that's for The US Government, and we we think that there's a parallel

system running it constitutionally,

wouldn't there be accounting for the constitutional

government?

Well,

the

shit. I don't know, Scott. I know it's a I know it's a I remember the

Do you remember the twin books

of the, from years ago, Arthur Burien and his,

Kafer. Kafer. Yeah. Okay. A certificate

and whatever it stood for a second set of books. Maybe that's the real set of books. I don't know.

Yep. I don't know.

Okay. Well, I'm just wondering. I would think that there should be at at least some way to find out if there is.

I think they I think they've stolen so damn much. There's no way that they even know how much it is, if you wanna know quite frankly.

Well, that's true. That's very true. It's the the the behemoth is so big they can't account for things. I I know Elon appreciate it. Thank you. Elon Musk had 14,

magic money machines. Just issue a check to anybody that requested it, evidently.

Who was trying to say something about her?

Roger. Yeah. It was Samuel.

You're familiar with who Gary Wayne is?

Yikes. He's he's he wrote that I am.

He wrote the book, the Genesis

Genesis six conspiracy, and

he researched that book for about, thirty five years of his life. Anyways, he he gets into the bloodlines and all this stuff. Right?

And how it's gonna be like it says in the Bible as it were before the flood, it's gonna be in the end times. Right?

He's he makes the statement, and and he says he this is from more than one source in the state and and the the references are quite good.

He's saying the elite

of the world

have hidden assets

of somewhere and these are hidden. These are not the ones on the books.

I mean, $306,100,000,000,000,000

dollars.

I'm sure that's probably true, Samuel.

And any

you know, do you do you and John believes that the estimated gold that's ever been mined is an accurate number?

I don't know. What I've heard is all the gold that's ever been mined, still a bit much in historical objects and stuff would is,

would fill an Olympic sized swimming pool.

From what I what I see, it's around 216,000

tons.

And I

that would only come to, say, $25,000,000,000,000.

So it just seems like that estimate is probably low. I mean, Solomon collected according to the bible

for forty years, 25 tons a year.

Yeah. Could be. We still don't know about Philippine mines and this thing in the supposedly in the Grand Canyon and all that stuff, whether they're fabled or rumored or true, don't know.

Just a lot of unknowns. I feel like Rumsfeld.

You know, there's there's there's knowns and then there's unknowns.

Then there's unknowns that are unknowns. Right, Samuel?

Hey, Raj.

Paul.

There there's a good argument that the Grand Canyon

was actually a mine site

because there are huge rocks

that have,

large

circular

cut marks.

Like the stone was cut out.

Okay. Could be.

Could be. Don't know. Roger. There's a lot of ab

abnormal

deep. There are a lot of abnormalities

out there in this old world, folks, like the recent power plants underneath the pyramids.

Okay. I heard Wahi, but Larry was first. Larry?

Yeah. I'd like to go back and respond to what Joe said before about,

Joe Brandon.

I'm the one that brought him up, last week,

and I was,

talking to you about a recent video he posted,

that was only eight days old, and I was very careful to listen to certain sections of it,

you know, very carefully.

So I know I got I got the, the words right. He was still using

the terminology state national. This is from a video

that he put out, and it's titled

debunking

equity

SPC

five star passport,

secret social security trust, ROE,

ten ninety nine a, UCC one,

and sovereign citizen.

Okay. Well, Joe tells me he's alright. I I Joe knows him for twenty years, he said. So

I'm I'm a throwback on Joe.

Well, alright. So one thing is, I don't agree with Brandon on everything. He's my friend, but we we don't

agree on every single thing.

I don't know the context of how he used the term State National on the video, but he told me, he goes, I'm not using that term anymore

because

the courts do not recognize it. I'm gonna use State Citizen because

he's all into litigation. He wants to litigate. He wants to sue.

You know? That's that's like his

that's,

you know, where he's focused on.

He wants to learn more about litigation,

and they don't recognize

national status inside the court system, which we all know is true because they won't they won't let you talk about it. They won't acknowledge that they've worked. They ignore it. They'll tell you you can't say that in there. You know?

If you're right in that sense

Well, they don't use that terminology

anymore. It's a new label. He's not using the right word to open the door. He's not using the right key to turn to open the right door and then says it doesn't work, and they don't recognize it when there's a reason for that.

I'm not saying it's not some of the old cases. I'm just saying

we've got they've pulled this scam off by changing the definition of these words.

Now that we know the correct definition and label,

they can't say no without changing their system. It's an automatic winner, but you gotta follow that approach.

And his approach is like, I'm tired of beating my head against the wall because it feels goddamn

good when I stop.

That's my observation, Joe.

No. I get what you're saying. And I tried to I tried talking to him about that, but he goes, no. I want the court to recognize it. They're not gonna recognize national.

State citizen, they will recognize.

I said, but, yeah, but the way they've converted everything is that you're state citizen to residency.

Right? We've we've talked about how that's the jurisdictional thing as well, resident. Yes. Very much.

But,

you know, you what about the nationality act? All a national has total allegiance to a small estate.

That's what he needs to go back and rely on.

Okay? But, look, he can go do what he wants, but you should tell him

from somebody that doesn't know what's going on and has proven it.

Because the I prove it by not going to court, by the way. You can tell him. Instead of going in there. With these courts, you think they're gonna go in there and recognize all this stuff? And like I said, who's gonna be the judge,

Joe, who's gonna pull the bottom card out of the house cards?

Which one is it? Puncher. Oh, yeah. Roger, I'm working on that. Hold on, please.

So that's the way my stance you, Roger. Okay.

Well, just see just tell him life would be a lot better for him if he'd

conform a little bit and realize that,

he's

approaching the animal from a from a real incorrect perspective.

Okay. Larry and then Mirka.

Yeah. So,

this is what I got from the other day,

when I was carefully listening to that video. And by the way, Joe, you could probably encourage him that he can shorten his three hour long video

by,

you know, not using the f word. I mean, he uses it like every other word. Oh, boy. And, but anyway, BJW

is saying that the state department refuses to acknowledge what he calls the state national political status.

They only acknowledge US citizen or American Samoan.

He now believes that when you are applying for a state national passport, these are his words,

you are really getting just a US citizen passport.

He has come to the conclusion

now this is my what I what I understand,

listening to, you know, his rant about the white citizen status. He has come to the conclusion that in order to be free, you have to be white to be a state citizen and to claim you are sovereign.

He is basing all of this all of his recent conclusions Yeah. On the Dred Scott versus Sanford case.

So it's just you know, Joe,

I don't know what to tell you to tell him if he's hard headed and stubborn. He's not gonna listen. If he's using the f bomb every other word, he's not gonna have much of an audience anyway.

I wouldn't think. He he's got a pretty big audience.

He he swears a lot. He's got big potty mouth. Alright? I mean, I'll be the first to admit it. You can't you can't hold a conversation without with this guy without hearing

five or six swear words in the first three sentences.

Alright? That's because he's always been like that, you know, ever since I met him.

Well, he's just teaching a lot of people a lot of wrong stuff.

I'm I don't if he won't listen, won't change it. There's nothing I can do about it.

Well, it's not necessarily that he's teaching.

Well, he's encouraging

people to get into court and shit and teaching them wrong shit.

Yep.

But

that's a very, very small part of what

he teaches.

Okay. He's not teaching a lot of wrong stuff.

He's just got a couple of fine points that he needs to tune up, and then he's golden.

Well, that and probably laying off the f bombs a little, but who are we to tell him how to talk?

You know, I hope so. Maybe.

Roger. Maybe. I hope living here, brother. Do well listening to the speaking coach.

That video I've been around a while ago.

Yes.

Okay. Thank you, Brent.

Roger, we have no business we have no business in the federal lower federal courts.

That is not our part. Well, I I tell you, I agree. There.

Maybe these people see the light. Nope. Hopefully, none of them will get harmed.

Anyway,

glad to have you along today. Unusual Monday show.

Covered a lot of ground, a lot of recovering of ground, and that's always good.

So we'll see what else the

beautiful here in Ecuador

day on Monday brings us,

and I hope it brings you something nice.

And if there's any kind of events, which many times there are on Monday, we'll certainly discuss them

tomorrow.

Otherwise, in that,

heck, glad you joined us. We're always pleased to be able

to attract

someone to

spend two hours of their time with us and have an interest in what we discuss and touch on. You're all little freedom seekers, and we're all one big family.

And as we lay our bodies down, we'll be looking towards tomorrow, Tuesday, the

ninth

here of September, and

have a good rest of the eighth. See you tomorrow.

Got it. Go ahead.

Alright. Well, I'm I knew someone would.

Yes. By any chance, have you ever, come across in Florida,

a a fellow named Bruce Ray Riggs?

Nope. Doesn't ring any kind of bells.

And I'm in I've been in South America sixteen, seventeen years now. So

Yep. Yeah. I understand. Thank you. I Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. I know the I know the Florida Gators.

Yes, sir?

So I just wanted to make one comment that the lower courts,

their foundation of jurisdiction is the fourteenth amendment. That's why they can't recognize our affidavit. I yield.

Well, they have to recognize it if it's properly presented. It's just that when most court cases are sent out,

the their jurisdictional

statements in the first paragraph of every court case that's sent out, you know, when they're charging a charging document,

I believe they call them. And it says, Sketch,

a resident of Yada Yada Yada, and right there, they gotcha. Bingo.

Yep.

Yep. Hey, Sketch. And if it's you're not a resident of that, then that man made crime they're trying to attach on you wouldn't attach, would it?

So the that's where I say we preempt

these things.

They have to recognize it. If they wouldn't call up and try and charge you with that. They're not gonna wanna bring this out into the public. This is my feeling. Bob. Hey, Bob. How you doing this morning?

Oh, not too bad.

What was your question about him, Sketch? I've seen his videos. I've never paid a lot of attention to him. I'm just curious what your question is.

Well, it it it's basically this one sentence.

He he he wrote a good paper on the fourteenth amendment, and it and it says, now since the fourteenth amendment was falsely ratified in 09/1868,

all lower all law

all courts

and governments operate under the jurisdiction of the fourteenth amendment. And that was kind of where I Well I'm Well mentioned. Can I add something to that and say,

operate under the presumption

of the fourteenth amendment's applicability?

Exactly. There you go.

I was just reading a paper that he, he wrote, and I thought it was pretty good about

the the falsely ratified

fourteenth Amendment. Yeah. That's not that's nothing new. Is that the same guy we've been talking about?

Paper he wrote?

Yeah. It's Bruce Ray Riggs. Yep. Yep. Oh, Bruce Ray Riggs. Okay. No. He's new. I never heard him before.

Okay. Who else?

Who

else got something out there on this Monday for us?

Hey, Rod. Well, listen. I hear

Very well. There's John there. Mary, I'm just gonna say, please tell Todd we're really, really sorry that he's back in the hospital, but it sounds like they're making some progress

on a way to address this problem this time, hopefully.

So tell him our prayers. Are, Roger. Thank you. I mean Well, tell him our prayers are with him. He's gonna so appreciate that.

Okay.

Julie

He's on a road to recovery, not doing

pain meds or anything like that. He takes a little when he had to. He actually got four hours of sleep last night, which is good because he hasn't slept. It's that bad.

He couldn't even get out of bed to go to the bathroom. Tell him to take the damn pain. Yeah. It's it's awful. Tell him to take the damn pain. I told him. I'm like

well, I understand why he doesn't want to. He used to be addicted to them.

I get it.

Oh. You know?

Well, tell him to pocket them. Dad was an addict. Send them send them to me down here.

Okay. Will you tell him in that case to pocket them and sending them down here for my upcoming dental surgery, please?

I'll let them know.

Okay. Thank you, ma'am. I yield. Okay. Julie. Yes, ma'am. Front and center.

Congratulations

on, on your win yesterday.

So the,

two things people I recommend people go and see on beforenews.com.

One is, Jeff Berwick, dollar vigilante.

He talks about the Trump

Trump Trojan horse deception is becoming clear to all but those without eyes to see. Very interesting

video from him. And then even more

interesting video is the video between David Nina Nino Rodriguez

and Dustin,

Nemos on what's taking place in this world right now. I highly recommend everybody go and watch those.

There's too much to try and cover in one day. I sent you I sent you the ticket in an email real quick. You and everybody else have sent me all kinds of stuff.

There's no way I'm gonna get to, it, unfortunately.

Please understand. Can we say that again? Because the dogs were barking. That's okay. News. The one that the one that's really amazing is the one on nino'scorner.tv,

but it's also on Before It News, and I do believe it's also on his YouTube. And it's the interview

between Dustin, d u s t I n, Nemos,

n as in Nancy, e, m as in mother, o s. Dust Dustin Nemos. He has the receipts,

about Trump. And then the other one is on beforenews.com,

and that is all spelled out, no no numbers.

And that is, with Dollar Vigilante,

with, Jeff Berwick. And he he he just is,

oof, he just spells the,

gives the receipts and spells the bad news,

with what's going on in our administration and who's working for who. And, actually, Dustin Nemo

made the comment. You would like him actually,

a lot, Roger, because he talks about the Jew world order.

And he's very upset,

about

that. And, mentions that a million times. And in his ex

account, otherwise known as Twitter,

he talks about, that on his on his, that the Jews control both sides of our government.

It's very fascinating. And he brings the receipts. I encourage everybody to go watch it. They haven't censored they haven't censored that yet and caught up with it yet. I'm surprised. Nope. Okay. Right. Good for him. He's got them. Right. And he's got video. He's got a a video on his

He's got a video on his ex,

streaming right now. And, well, actually, Dave Nino Rodriguez does and his website is at ninoboxer,nin0b0xer.

He just basically wrote Dustin Nemo's

Jews control both parties. Trump is a Trojan horse for the coming Jew police state. And he says, alright, folks. You will get triggered on this one. You really should go watch it. It's so amazing.

I yield.

What is that? Gen four Yeah. I know what that is.

I'm a member of sorry. When I went to TV.

Yeah. Sorry. When I went to it's nino ninos corner dot tv. Sorry. When I went to the app to get the account, Roger,

the video just started automatically

playing, so I apologize. I muted myself. That's

okay.

We'll back it down to only still on? We'll we'll back it down to only 10 lashes.

I don't know. John still with us?

Yeah. I'm

here. Yes, Julie. Hey, Don. Check your email.

Check your email, please. I just sent you what you need. Please check your email. It's me, Julie.

Hey, John. Also, I did that interview with Logan this week. Did you ever, by any chance, reach out to him on the on the wand? He's he could be a real good No. Because I never got the never we never got in touch with each other.

Okay. Well, you've got his Could send me. Well, he's got four kids and all out of business and all kinds of stuff. You may wanna reach out to him, but he's got a 125,000

subscribers on YouTube.

And what I'm saying is is that you you said you gave me information, but you said, oh, that's the wrong stuff.

But I never you never gave me Okay. Well, I'll try and send it I'll try and send it again.

Okay.

Yeah.

Alright. Hey, Roger? Yes. Who's that? Can I ask can I,

go over

a a re letter I got from the IRS? This is Brian in Ohio.

Yeah. I guess so, Brian.

Okay. Well, I'll be brief. But,

so they want me to send in

a form to complement

my earlier

2024 return. 01/00/1951

or something?

Go ahead. Yeah. It's a two it's a two five five five form, the foreign earned income.

But the funny thing about that, Roger, it says, if you want

to claim a foreign income

inclusion complete and send in this form, if I want.

So,

basically, what they've done is they park

they've parked my return in the suspended status

until I,

I

guess, if I send this form in? Send this form in? Could you do me a favor and forward that to Mark?

And we'll ask him to weigh in on that. You got his address, straw man? Oh, sure. Mark, all caps, dot com? Mark straw man? Yeah. I I got I got his info. Yeah. Just straw man. Yeah. If you'll drop that to him, he's he's got a lot more expertise on that.

He he would still I wanna keep him in the loop on all this stuff. He's come up before.

He he probably has a easy off the cuff answer for you.

Okay. Right on. Well, thank you, Roger. Appreciate it. Alright. Well, you're welcome. Question?

Yes?

Roger? Yes. Yes. Hold on. Just a just

a quick comment and then a question.

Bruce Ray rings call to the fourteenth,

the Reconstruction

Jurisdiction.

And my question

is,

you had an interview with somebody last week, but will we be able to hear that sometime? I get I I'm sure you will. It probably might be already posted. The guy's name is, Lane,

Logan.

A nice name. Unusual. Logan.

And he's, he's got a YouTube channel called Sowing,

s o w I n g, Prosperity.

And if it's posted, it'll be posted over there. He just seemed like a good guy. We've talked a couple of times. He wants to move down here. Yeah. He's got four children. One of them's got cancer,

and he's incredibly

interested in the area of cancer.

Yes. K. I got you. Alright. Now it was

Oh, oh, there was scan One more thing. One more thing. Alright.

One more thing. I'm wondering if you would,

agree with that this might help other new people

latch on to this information and and and describing

the national

as a first class citizen

and The US citizen as a second class citizen. Well That might help.

Yeah. Yes. If you might help. Well, first first class are free and second class are slave.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I think Here's another way to look at it, Sketch. Do you think those old white men

back then that were running Congress

were gonna give a poor, uneducated

black slave

off a Southern plantation

the same political status they had?

You're not that naive, are you?

Exactly. High yield. Thank you. K. Samuel?

Yeah. Thanks, Roger. I just wanted to add on to what, Sketch was talking about there. This is from Lee Brost.

He says all courts take jurisdictions

through the fourteenth amendment until one proves otherwise.

Codes are streamlined

private

interpretations

of statutes at large for public purposes.

Yeah. Codes allow the courts to take judicial notice

of the fourteenth amendment.

Codes apply to anyone who has not made a public notice of his political choice

will by declaration,

which is our affidavits.

I agree with that a whole 100%.

And he says the opposite to it is 15 statute at large

is designed to keep federal courts from taking jurisdiction.

Courts cannot take judicial notice

of the fourteenth amendment.

That's the opposite. That's

is on our side of the ledger according to Prost.

So I just wanna throw that in there because

Sketch brought it up. No. Lee had a lot of them wait

way ahead of his time. Pardon me? What was the question?

What was the statute that says

they can't take judicial notice of the fourteenth amendment?

Fifteenth statute at large. That was the, fortieth congress.

Okay. Particular

around

seven

let's the fortieth congress is 708

pages. So

it was from 1867

to 1869.

And it says in there that they can't take judicial notice of the fourteenth amendment?

That's what he states. Yes.

I'm looking there right now.

Yeah. I'll I'll find that. That

that's a good one to see.

Yeah. The he's saying that oh, under that, the courts couldn't take any,

notice of it. But

if you're

the new citizen under the fourteenth amendment, then

you're you're being you're being applied through codes and statutes

as being that unless you

take a political position against it.

Okay.

I'm looking for it right now.

Which would be our affidavit. Of course,

there the the difference with Brost is

he did it locally in, your local

newspaper as a what he called the declaration of independence, which is a great statement, and

I'm gonna run that locally as well. But first, I'm gonna try to get it recorded at my county

seat. I'd send it to the secretary of state first.

It's not gonna do any good recording it locally, Samuel,

unless you're incorporating it with

a SOS filing in my mind.

Well, I've been through I've been through all. I've done that already.

I've obviously done that already, Roger. I'm just gonna do it locally so they have no Good. Okay.

Choice but to notice me locally as well. Well I can't say that, well, they don't know about it at the secretary of state. Right? I can't I can't argue that that could have some importance.

And if you wanna do it, you do it.

But

because of the touchiness of that situation

and because of a guy named Tim Turner years ago,

many

property records office, when you try and come and do that, will accuse you of being a sovereign citizen, and some may go so far as to call the local sheriff's department on you. So just telling you, that may happen. It's happened before.

Well, I would definitely make sure that you've got yours filed at the, Department of State before you do the local one, I think. You know? It won't make any difference. I you know, as I've said so many times, if John and Glenn and

really, John should have should have looked into this, but he was just so damn focused on taxes

that they never looked outside of those parameters.

But if they would have known to tell us to file those affidavits with the secretary of state,

We could live in a different world right now.

That's the the potential of that change 30 ago, thirty five years ago almost.

Anyway The difference I,

Roger, the difference I see in doing it after the SOS

is you're actually now back in your state, in your country.

Yeah. So now if you make a local notice,

then now you've got it doubly backed up. That's how I'm thinking about it. Fair enough. Fair enough, James. And my and my friend who's who's who's

the title guy who's helping me with

with doing my chain of title and stuff like that, he thinks,

even over the paper, but I'm gonna do both. He thinks it filed in the county record is more powerful than even the paper, but that's not what Brose says. So,

anyway

Well, let's put it this way. Everybody's

not gonna drop by the property records office

and scan through the latest filings,

where they may

open the newspaper

if it's in your local newspaper and not a separate legal organ and go through the classifieds

and be interested in that because there's sometimes there's auctions for people that have haven't paid their storage

unit fees, and there's all kinds of stuff you can find in there.

On the other hand, my friend says that the the record the land record is, like, forever,

and people can always refer reference it by you.

Whereas going into the paper articles would be how tough to find. I think that was the point he was making.

Well, could be. I I it'll it'll be one hell lot cheaper doing it in the property records office, I would imagine.

Question. Yeah. It's,

it's gonna just be an attachment, so it's not gonna come to much. Yep.

Just whatever per page fee is. Paul, you had a question?

Yeah. What was the original state office that was responsible for issuing passports before the

secretary of the state of the US took on that responsibility. There it's always been with him because he deals with foreign nations.

It's the nature of his of his cabinet position.

Well, but the but the individual states,

they were

they would issue a letter of citizenship or whatever.

Well, I not to my knowledge. The secretary of state's always Right. That responsibility.

Comment on that? Yes.

Could be wrong. The US security state was not,

given that power until the early eighteen fifties. Before that,

governors,

state secretaries of

state, mayors of towns, and even notary republics

issued passports, and that was what I wanted to say the other day about that 1835

case. Yes. The reason I think it considered a what did you say? A non parte

Ex ex parte.

Ex okay. The reason was

that a lot of those that were issued before that ruling

were not,

recognized officially by foreign countries because it didn't come from the federal government. Well, they didn't have any passport.

It was just a letter in those days. Please allow this person to

Even the earliest passports are really a form of a letter. That's all they were. But Yes. It was I think it was August

when they first started with The US Secretary of State.

Okay. Well, whatever. Before then, in 1835,

they knew that

if anything was important, it had to be in his possession.

I don't know about those others, never studied it,

and I don't know the differences.

All I know is what we teach here.

Question.

Follow-up question.

If

the governor was the first name you mentioned,

if you were sending out notices and you're wondering if you're gonna do it to the county records office or what,

why not just put the governor on notice and

make note

to tell them

that

prior to the passage of the fourteenth amendment or the the illegal or unlawful ratification of the fourteenth amendment,

Individual sovereign states and the governors thereof

were responsible for issuing passports and,

providing identity for the state citizens.

This

is putting you on notice that I am a state citizen.

And under your original sovereign duty to New York state or Iowa state or Minnesota state,

I am giving you notice

that I am here and that's my status.

You just put them, just put the damn governor on notice. He's supposed to be the the

the highest authority in the state

legislatively,

anyways, or the executive branch of the state.

If you're a state citizen, tell him.

May I?

I guess.

Thank you. Imagine

the challenges that you have as the professor of this class

when a caller such as myself calls in talking about my career,

experience in the difference the opposite ness of insurance and surety.

And then some classmate calls up and says that the government said this and that. Therefore, they're right and the career professional is wrong. So your challenge as a professor here is to understand

the people that you're dealing with and the level of close mindedness that they have and the and the measure of envy and and and jealousy

that they have as Ayn Rand wrote about.

And and and therefore,

do not become discouraged that there are people like this guy who called up and said the government said he's wrong. Right?

I mean, do you understand how how how

how how bad off,

the class is,

I suppose that was directed at me.

No.

What I'm saying is you have challenges

knowing that this man called up and said,

Farris just talked about his career specialty, explained that you can't use the word insurance bond. It's misleading to the student

because

insurance and bonds are opposite.

I spent my whole life there, and the caller comes back and says, oh, the government said he's wrong. The government said you can say insurance bond because the government is there to confuse you as you know. So my brother who brought that up,

I was reminded of a book by, Glenn Beck called arguing with idiots,

and that's where we are.

So we have to face the music, people. I've I've got two questions. We have people in this class.

They're closed minded, uneducated,

and and full of jealous.

No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Ferris, I've got two questions. First of all, did you not hear him say there was a liability

bond?

Did you or did you not hear him say that?

He didn't say insurance bond. In his rebuttal to you, he said, no. That's not correct. There is a liability bond. And number two, what are you doing in the main room?

You're supposed to be in Room 2.

Yes.

I don't know. That's not a big deal around here as insurance bonds, whatever the hell you call them. We we get mentioned a couple of times a year, so it's not worth, wasting all the time on it. Anyway, can you buy this? Make it even easier?

Instead of instead of arguing with me, just go look it up and go see that the insurance companies offer surety bonds for insurance.

So you don't have to bring it up and and make an argument anymore. It's a waste of time. Okay. Well, Ferris likes to make mountains out of molehills.

So, anyway, Joe, good to hear you again, buddy. Anybody else, if you got questions for me, you write them down and ask them tomorrow.

May I? May I?

Oh, yes. Only because you're female. One last one. Yes, ma'am. You.

In regards to the IRS,

they lost my first submission, and I was given the excuse that because of the new people, they weren't being trained correctly, and they were not closing out their batches. So when they shut off their computer, they were deleting all the work for the day.

And then when I resent it in and they made me wait

the x amount of time to recall back in,

I did give them extra time.

And, again, they told me that it instead of being processed, it it had been now,

moved into review.

He did ask me if I had received any notifications,

which I have not.

But there's there's still I think they're making stuff up to to to hold

and not pay out make payments.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I

I can't, speak with any authority on the on those people.

And and so I'd just wait and hear from them again, I guess.

Yeah. I I'm the guy told me I could call back in another month. I'm not gonna wait another month. I've already waited half a year.

Okay. Well

just wanted to let you know. Okay. Thank you.

Roger?

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, ma'am.

It's me, Julie. Sorry. I I know who it is. I

I just wanted to mention one last thing that I forgot to mention before that if people are interested

also in,

this,

alien stuff that,

you know, it's it's not I've heard of it before, but I just don't I believe it. I just can't believe it. Meaning, wow, that we have extraterrestrials.

There is,

Carrie Cassidy interview with David Nino, and this

physicist that has a thousand PhDs

is on before its news as the top video. And it is fascinating for everybody who wants to watch that as well. I'm sorry, but I don't have kids and I don't have family obligations, so I have time in the evenings to listen to these things after work.

But I'm just trying to tell people to go watch that too because it's it's fascinating. I yield. Thank you for letting me talk one more time. Right. You know, I'll tell you, I don't mention that stuff or go into it here. Never have.

For for, you know, my little serenity prayer,

god grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change. See, I can't change that. There's nothing I can do about it if it's real, unreal,

whatever,

and to encourage to change the things I can, and that's what we do here. And the last line of that is, of course, and the wisdom to know the difference. So, that's why we concentrate on things we can prove and actual

effect.

I'll see you little girl girls and boys to

excuse me. Tomorrow. Okay?

And,

Blessings, Roger. Yep. Thank you, Sketch, Joe. Good to hear your voice. Hi, Roger. Thank you. Alright. Okay, guys. Hi, Roger. Everybody. We'll see you. Have a great day. Thanks, Roger. Alright. My pleasure. Thank you, Roger. Have a nice day today. Actually. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, sweetie. Thank you. Bye.

I'll be I'll be re upping my membership dues to Mensa. I really gotta join that

organization.

And, Paul, is that call from there?

Oh, I'm sorry.

You're there? There was a silence. So I was just wondering if Julie's still there.

Here.

Oh, you are here. What's the name of that nino'scorner.tv

video? Is it the latest one that he did on

09/08?

Come again? I'm sorry. You faded out.

For Nino Rodriguez video, which one was that on ninoscorner.tv?

Oh, yeah. That's the one with Dustin,

and it's so funny. You've got, you've got Nino and you've got Nemo, n e m o. It's Dustin Nemo, n e m as in mother o.

Because I've got Mike Curie coming.

Yeah, you've got to go and scroll. It's after that. You have to keep scrolling back. He should be on there. If not, you could check. He'll be on YouTube. Did you call it with the Clintons?

No.

Seven days ago.

Okay. Hold on here. Study.

Let me see here. Hold on here. One zero seven consequences of Trump,

which was ten days ago.

Yeah. Hold on. Let me go that far.

Sorry. Hold on here. I'm trying to look for it for you right now.

K. Hold on here.

I'm gonna go right now. I thought it was in Nino's corner.

Is this on YouTube?

Is it on YouTube? He doesn't when he goes

I said he is on YouTube.

It's on a little bit. When he goes really deep when he goes really deep into this, he'll tell you He'll be deep. Yeah. He'll say I can't go to fluff tube. We can't talk about this on fluff tube.

Yeah. I love how he says fluff tube. Hosted one day ago on the start the storm channel is Dustin Nemos and David Nino Rodriguez.

High trigger warning,

nine seven twenty five. Trump is a Trojan horse.

It's on start the storm. It's on stop censorship too. It's on Victor Hugo art. It's on breaking now. It's on balls

and baggy pants.

It's always It's on it's on Nino's. It's also on Nino's corner too. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also on all you gotta do is Dustin.

All you gotta do is search road to rumble.

Search rumble for Dustin Nemos and David Nino Rodriguez, and it comes up.

All of them. Yeah. K.

Yeah. You ought to watch that. That guy is genius with his Does he got a beard?

Does he have a beard like a a a raggedy beard that's not Red shirt, bookcase,

beard. Yeah.

Yep.

This is not rocket surgery, people. Well, he needs to clean his beard up.

Hey, Paul. Oh, the good thing is the chat. You open the chat window.

Hey, Paul? Yeah.

I sent you an email, for the auto bond. You can upload it to the documents or wherever you want to on your website.

Okay. Thank you.

Alright. I have a phone call. I'm stepping away.

Joe, are you still here?

Yeah. I'm here.

This is Samuel. I just wanted to comment on one other point that Bost makes that I think

would make the powers that be

pause

if we were to present it in our arguments.

And my belief is

that what Broust is saying

is, as state citizens,

we would still come under

general law,

which is sustained by Swift versus Tyson,

the gold standard and bilateral

contracts,

where Erie Railroad

is uniform commercial code

and unilateral contracts

and local law.

I think that would scare them if if

we would

state

that we come under Swift versus Tyson, and we are outside the universal the uniform commercial code

under Erie Railroad versus Tompkins.

Because that whole argument, people don't read it right.

Erie Railroad versus Tompkins went in there,

but he

he he wasn't

they wanted that case. That was a setup case.

They wanted somebody

that was a fourteenth amendment citizen to claim the rights

of,

a state citizen

so they could reject it and get rid of Swift versus Tyson

because everybody was pretty much a six a fourteenth amendment citizen anyways.

So they just changed the whole system.

I mean, I'll tell you,

the premise that I use

is everything from the the fourteenth amendment all the way up to anything that's passed today

is all done under martial law.

That's probably true.

With my court date, what I did was I

I

so there's a doctrine called fiction of law.

Okay? This doctrine fiction of law says that,

there are there are certain things that presume to be true, and the courts

are obligated to,

make sure that that does not get changed,

right, under the you know, I'm I'm kinda prefacing it, but that's what it says. It says that it cannot be proven to not be true.

So the court will not allow

a fiction of law to be proven as fiction. It has to be presumed as truth no matter what.

Okay?

So, like, one of the fictions is the fourteenth Amendment. It's created under,

you know, martial law, which is one of the issues about it. Right? There's so many issues with the fourteenth Amendment. I think everyone here

knows

at length

all the issues with the fourteenth Amendment.

But one of the primary things is that it was done under emergency powers of martial law.

And that's one of the presumptions

of the court system today, is that we're not under martial law.

Right? Even though we are, the fiction of law is that we're not.

That's one of the fictions of law right there, and they call it a legal fiction, but from the doctor and I read it was called fiction of law.

So

under this premise that we're not under martial law,

right, they can enforce these regulations under the fourteenth amendment on everybody generally.

Right? Now what I did was there's a there is a legal maximum that says a fiction of law does

harms no one.

And that concept is the very concept I use

to prove

the fiction of law was harming me.

And because of that legal maximum, the fiction of law does harm to no one,

Right? They have to stop the fiction of law being used against me because it's now causing me harm.

Right?

So they can't use it on me. And I think that's why they deleted all my stuff out of the system.

It's because of the fact that they can't do fictional law anymore because they can't talk on me.

Right?

And I think that's the real key point of getting out of their their system

is

is utilizing that principle because that's exactly what I did. I told them that there's martial law,

that I'm not part of this war.

I was never part of this war. I'm not a belligerent. I'm not a I'm not an enemy combatant,

and that I'm a citizen of a state rather than the fourteenth amendment

since I'm ending martial law for myself. I said, hey. Look. You know? Like, I'm canceling martial law. I'm just gonna make this a previous piece so that way I'm, like,

not part of this war anymore, and I am not in any

you know, I'm not a insurrectionist or in rebellion

or

or anything with The United States. And then they took all my information

and just made it

they stealed it. They made it disappear. They did whatever to it, but you couldn't see it anymore.

And I think that's really the real fiction of law that they're operating off of is that we're not under martial law,

but we are.

And, the fact that they like, you know, like, New Jersey has, regulations on on weapons.

Oh, you can't buy these kinds of weapons unless you have a permit, and you can't have these, and you can't do this. That's all fiction of law.

You it's all presumed that those are valid laws and they're not.

The second amendment guarantees our right to bear arms,

and this statute

violates that guarantee.

So,

you know, that's that is the case of law. Anything that's guaranteed in the constitution, if it's contradicted

in a statute or code or regulation or anything, then it's it's void. We all know that.

But it operates as true anyway, and they presume it to be true, and they will not allow it to be unproven.

And you can look that up in Blackbaud's fifth edition, the fictional law, tells you flat out that it cannot be proven to not be true. This is why when people take Rogers' affidavit and submit it to the court, they won't say anything about it

because it's rebutting the presumption that you're a fourteenth amendment citizen,

and they can't allow that because that fourteenth amendment is part of the fiction of law doctrine.

That is the fiction of law. The fourteenth amendment being valid. The fourteenth amendment being not under martial law powers,

right,

said it was properly ratified. These are all

fictions. These are things that do not occur, but it's assumed to be true anyway.

Yeah. Well, Brost's

little treatise, you know, what is it, 70 pages, all comes down to

a paragraph that he suggests that you publish in your local paper of record,

which is basically denying that you're part of that anymore.

And,

you're doing your mea culpas.

But from now on in, you've made this statement, and that's who you are, and you stepped outside of it.

He's basically doing what we're doing with the affidavit at the

federal level. He's doing it at the local

paper level. Paper level. That's fine. I did that at the local level. They sealed they sealed the record.

They

sealed the recording of it.

It's at the recorder's office. They they sealed the record.

That's interesting.

Yeah. Well, I feel like well, I I think I really struck an nerve with these guys,

you know, on this thing because I'm rebutting the martial law presumption, and that, they just won't they won't let that in anything. Everything that I put that onto, it's steel. Everything.

So I I was like, okay. That is probably the the primary fixing of love from I don't know if it is or not, but it seems to be one of the real triggers here. And if they go, oh, oh, we can't you know?

They'll they'll just deny, deny, deny. But when it comes to putting that in,

they just make it all disappear.

They steal the record. They close the cases. They do all it's really interesting.

When you start pulling out martial law on them, they don't we don't want anything to do with it.

They want it on the record anywhere. They don't want any of that

seen anywhere.

Yeah. But the the key

the key term in that paragraph

that

Prost uses is by operation of law.

I think that's a critical

term. That's also what missus Robinson uses in her letter. Right?

Right. Yeah. Yeah. By operational law. But that's different. That's,

you know

well, I mean, miss Robinson's

operational law is still a presumption.

Well, there's no definition when she's telling you that. That's the first thing I'd ask her for is a definition.

Yeah.

He'll ask for that. Yeah. He'll ask for Do you do you do you remember Charlie?

I'm sorry?

Do you remember Charlie? She used to come on the show and talk. Yes.

So she wrote to the secretary of state of of Colorado

and asked for the definition of state,

right, as pertaining to the the, Colorado statute, and she got a letter back from the secretary of state saying, we can't we can't supply you with a definition of that term.

Which I I thought was hilarious because,

literally, the the word is in your office name that you're holding, and you can't define it because you not know what you're supposed to be doing here.

I thought it was really, really funny.

And that probably goes back to cause and action. Right? They don't

don't really have it under the corporate power.

That's the problem with with noticing a governor.

A governor is really running the corporate state, not the one we're we're part of.

No. I know that. But, you know, the

it's in in because I went and looked it up after she told me that. I went and looked it up. It says right here. It says state means United States. He goes, yeah. I know. I just wanted to see what they would say, but they refused to give her an answer

Even though it's right there in general provisions, it says state means United States and District Of Columbia.

So it has nothing to do with Colorado at all. I looked it up in New Jersey, same thing. In New Jersey, it says, United States,

District Of Columbia, and the Canal Zone.

So it basically just lists out federal territory

and doesn't mention New Jersey at all.

And everywhere I look in every state that I've looked in,

right, it's pretty it's pretty much the same.

Maybe some alterations here and there, but it pretty much is the same where it's like

it's only defined as United States, Columbia,

and they will not say well, state means Alabama

or the borders of Alabama. You know? No.

You know? They they need some balance. They won't say that. Really interesting.

Joe, may I ask you a question?

Yeah.

Did you say that they,

sealed your public notice that you filed at the county recorder?

Yeah.

No kidding. How is that possible?

I don't know. My friend did it in Georgia, and it did the same thing to him. I gave him my the letter I wrote for my court case.

Right? And, he got all excited about it, went down and recorded it, and then came back, like, like, about a month later to get copies.

And they told him that that was sealed, and he couldn't get it again.

Did he leave? Did you leave with a copy of the recording, the page, and the

date? Yeah.

So you still have that record?

Yeah. But it's not for public viewing?

Exactly. It's not public viewing. You can't see it.

But you could still use copies of that.

Correct? I can I can write it over and over again if I want? I think that's the thing that they looked at, and they realized that this is something I just wrote myself. This was not like somebody else's paperwork.

I think that was one of the things that really got them was that

this is not something floating around the Internet that people

kinda grabbing and, you know, using as templates.

Right.

You know, that was one thing.

Another friend of mine who lives in Florida, he tried to record it at the county recorder, and they wouldn't let him record it there. But then the county's lawyer came and said, hey. I know you got something we wanna file.

We can't file that in the lawyer, not the clerk. The lawyer came and said this to him and said, hey. I I tell you what. If you put it into the court case, it can be recorded in one of the court cases if you have an active court case. And he said, yeah. I actually do.

Right? He had a foreclosure.

He had a divorce case, and he had, like, a couple of, like, other civil cases. If he owns a business, then he gets sued quite a bit over, like, all the civil trivial stuff.

So he put into one of the cases he had, they deleted his name out of their system after that.

Like, all his court cases, past court cases all got deleted, everything. His divorce,

his, his bankruptcy cases,

right,

all his civil cases that were closed, they're all done. There was nothing. All the active cases were closed down. It was, like, the bizarre thing.

Wow. You mean open cases or

closed cases? He had, like, a he had open civil case, and they just closed it. And he's like, well, okay.

Well, jeez. What's up with that? And since then, the bank has been trying to sue him again,

and they can't they can't get a court case open on him yet.

Interesting. Well, thank you, Joe.

Hey, Joe. I just I wanted to comment for everybody on this this board that your

your video of,

the word fiction in law

is very good. I put it in the chat. And, also, I did put the Bruce Ray Riggs fourteenth amendment paper

for you if you if you're interested.

It's, pretty interesting, and it goes right along what you're saying. And I can't emphasize enough the concepts that you go over in your video

on fiction of law is pretty important for everybody to

wrap their head around.

I honestly think that that's one of the most important pieces of information,

you know, out there regarding all everything we're trying to do and accomplish.

And that that's the real thing that's, like, getting in our way

is that. And I think if we use that concept

rather than let it abuse us, then we can actually get some real some real successes here.

Yeah. Joe, can you hear me? This is Chris from California.

Yeah.

Yeah. I, I watched that video. I really enjoyed that a lot. I watched a bunch of your other stuff too.

I understand you have a group. I would like to be a part of that group. How do I do that?

Hold on. My my Wi Fi is about to pick you out, so give me a second. Okay?

Okay.

Can you hear me? Hey. Yeah. Hey, Joe.

Okay.

Hey. So I just gave you the website.

The website is,

is www.bree

Yes.

Divine..com.

That's that's the website.

K. Great.

And, Joe, do you,

I heard a couple of gals the other a few maybe about a week ago now

talking about somebody

somebody having a class on

on discharging debt.

Do you know anything about that class?

I don't know whose class that is. I mean,

it

was on here, on this show.

Yeah. Somebody mentioned it here.

One of the girls was talking about it,

and,

I was interested in looking in that direction to see what they're what they're doing.

I mean, I who I don't know what they're doing. I'll tell you how I do it.

Mhmm.

Depending on it depends on the nature of the the debt. So if it's a debt collector, I just you know, I tell them they don't have standing, and they don't and they lose

every single time, 100%.

Because they don't have standing, they they need to prove

chain of title, which they can't do.

And they they're not they're not the they loaned nothing. They offered

you know, they never loaned anything. They say, how much how much did you loan?

And so I haven't watched any of these cases as a debt collector, but I would win those.

You know, to me, those are, like, the easiest ones to win.

What about,

judgments from lawsuits?

What do you mean?

Oh, someone doesn't judge

judgment? Yeah. Yeah. These judgments,

especially these ones where, they never even served the person,

and they,

they did it by publication, then they get a judgment.

And

Well, we actually do an I would do an abatement on that.

And what the abatement does is, like, you go back it's basically time traveling

back in time and saying, hey. This was never done

in the proper order. Those things weren't done properly,

so this judgment is invalid.

And you give the judge an order to sign to to basically nix the the judgment.

And then the Mhmm. It it it erases it. And then if they wanna bring the charges, they have to bring it again, but then they'll know that you know the the procedures better and that they have to follow proper procedures or else to clear the dismiss again.

But you just go after the go after the the incorrect procedures and attack it from after the abatement,

and then that that will avoid the judgment. But you gotta write the order out for the judge to sign. There's a big thing that people don't realize is that when you do these motions and these abatements,

you have to write an order

for the judge. If you write the order for the judge, then he doesn't have to sit there and write one himself.

All he has to do is exclude you.

Yes.

So I do that. And then,

if you make a good valid point,

right,

through their statutes and their procedures, you gotta make it valid on their end. Because as long as they see it like, oh, yeah. He's right.

Our procedure say you have to do this, this, and this, and we never satisfied those things. It's a procedural defect, and he has to he has to dismiss

it. And Yeah. You know, more more than likely, he'll dismiss it,

you know, without prejudice, meaning that they can bring the charges back up. Because he'll always give them a second chance. Like, do it again, but do it with the right procedures this time.

Can I tell you guys real quick what I did with a debt collector that showed up at my house?

Yeah.

And

they served, okay, they served me a summons to appear in court in LaSalle

County, but they didn't give it to me. I wasn't here.

They gave it to my daughter who is mentally and physically disabled. She's got CP.

So she accepted the paperwork, but I never signed it, number one, because I was not summoned. It was her that was summoned. And because they can't legally do that, they did not know that. Then they mailed me something in the mail for me to appear in court. But what I did was I pulled up a

thing from the United the post office, not the United States Postal Service.

And I filled out a form, and that form with the envelope that they had sent that I did not open because I did not contract with them. It wasn't even my debt. I don't have credit cards. So I don't know where they came up with that one. It wasn't even mine.

And I filled out for fraud because they were trying to extort money.

And let me tell you something, it worked.

Oh, yeah. That's correct. Because

yeah. Mail fraud. That's what I got him on is mail fraud because it's not for one, it's not my debt. And on top of the summons that this person

gave to my daughter

because she thought it was her program people, you know, like, because she's got CP, so she's in a home based service program. She said the Horizon House showed up,

to get to bring her paperwork, and I'm like, paperwork for what? We didn't have an appointment. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, thinking of myself, and I'm like, what the heck is this? And then I because all I did was run to the bank

and come right back. And

I'm, like, looking at this. I said, oh, honey. This is not for you. I said, this is for me. I said, you accepted this?

She's like, well, they were looking for you, mom. Like,

okay.

Wow. So I had to send the guardianship papers.

I did send the guardianship papers attached to

with what I sent with the, you know, the the post office itself.

And but they also sent me somebody else's summons

that lives in a in in Will County. I'm in LaSalle County, and Will County is, like,

75

miles for me, and this poor man never got a summons.

I don't even know, like, what you know, I'm not gonna go through his stuff,

but,

yeah, he was being summoned for small claims court too.

Wow. So he didn't get served either. Oh,

those guys are bad. That's bad.

Guys really

they're really bad job out there.

Well, yeah, Illinois is a joke anyways. But it's like they're trying to squeeze money out of any way

that they can,

you know, just like with you know,

when you ask them, okay. Where's the original contract that I contracted with you when it goes to a debt collector?

I didn't contract with you. Like, a a hospital bill, for instance.

It goes to collections in Peru, Illinois,

and they call and they want you to start paying on it. And I'm like, paying on what?

Because my insurance didn't cover this, this, or this, whatever it was.

And they're like, well, you have to start

paying community lenders. I said, no. I don't. I said, thank you for buying my debt. I really appreciate it. You know, you took a burden off my shoulders, but I didn't contract with you. And you can hang up the phone.

Well, I because we're not contracting.

Well, what I do with those guys is I say to them, like I said, well, I I'd like to see your portfolio because I'd like to see how much value I gave to your portfolio with this like debt.

And then they don't wanna talk to me anymore.

But this is what these guys do. The debt collector

right. A portfolio is a it's a security portfolio, like, a

account and stuff like that. So what they do

is they beef up these portfolios by

selling, reselling, and trading these debts.

And,

it and they they pool them together. So there's these pooled

debt based securities. Right?

And then from there, what they do

is they,

they put it into a portfolio

and say our company has this much value now. And then it looks like the company is worth all this money.

Right? So now what they can do is they can go and do super technical trading

and other deals and get loans and stuff like that,

right,

using those, portfolio

of, like, cool debts.

And, basically, all it is is just saying all these people owe us money, and then they go to the bank and say, look at all this money that's owed to us. Can we get a loan? They go, sure.

Right? And so that's I just attacked them on that end. They said, I just need to see,

you know, how much value I gave to your company through my my alleged debt.

And, they sure enough, they don't wanna talk to me after that.

I didn't know you could do that. That's genius. I did not know you can do that. I didn't realize it was a portfolio.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's it. I'm purchasing

all this debt.

Yeah. They they buy all the debts, and then what they do is they pull them together. The debt collecting company that you're interfacing with,

that's not the one that's using the portfolio. That's a subsidiary.

The parent corporation is the one that has the portfolio.

So then I asked them for that detailed information, like, who's your parent company that's using this portfolio?

Right? And then they they all of a sudden, they we can't answer questions like that. I don't know what to talk about.

We we got rid of your debt anyway. You know? Good luck.

Don't wanna talk about it.

Because I think it also touches on fraud because they're fraudulently

impressing

the

the, like, security change commission to thinking that

the company is worth,

like, maybe $10,000,000

or maybe it's only worth, like, half a million dollars in actuality.

Right? Because it looks like all this debt is owed to them,

but they actually have no they they're

they're almost a broke company in reality.

But on paper, they look very wealthy.

That that's what they're doing with this debt.

But,

with the, like, the credit card companies and stuff like that, it's a little bit different.

What I do with them is I I tell them that I'm gonna sue them because they never gave me

proper notice of my rights as an obligor. They didn't give me the proper form for me to rescind

the contract.

And, you know, and, basically, I say, I'm gonna I'm gonna sue you, and, you're gonna owe me a lot of money. And then they always drop it because of that. That's how I discharge debt.

And you just rack up the, credit card bill, and then you sue them. Right? Or you just tell them you're gonna they won't they don't want they don't want you to litigate it because,

you know,

like, the way I'm doing it, you'll win because I just used, title 15, consumer,

credit protection

act. Right? Consumer,

protection act. But, they so they won't mess with that because

it's an automatic loss to them because they did not give you like, everyone here has gotten some kind of either credit card or a loan. Right?

Yeah. No?

Yes.

Yes. Alright.

Right. So were you given rescission forms for that one?

Is that part of the contract you signed?

That's the one We can hear you, Joe.

There's they're supposed to give you a rescission form.

Whenever you do any kind of credit transaction,

you're supposed to get a rescission form so you can rescind the transaction.

Nobody I've ever talked to has ever gotten one of those rescission forms.

And so the entire contract is void just because of that,

including

mortgages.

The only difference with a mortgage is that they don't have to give you your right to rescind

until you until they start foreclosure proceeding.

Once they start a foreclosure on you, you can then

counter sue them if they don't send you the rescission form.

So they're supposed to send you and I'm gonna tell you guys why they don't give you the rescission form. It's a huge, huge deal.

Let's say you've been living in a house for fifteen years. You've been paying that mortgage steadily for fifteen years, and the last few months has been really rough for you. You're you're not doing too good in your payments. You can't make it. They said we're gonna foreclose. You go, oh god. Oh, no. They start foreclosure proceedings.

Everyone starts freaking out. Oh, no. I'm gonna lose my home. What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? You turn around and sue them. I just counter sue them. I said, well, they opened up the case. I just give you a penalty against them. I'm gonna say, I never got the restraining form for me to rescind this contract.

Now we're under foreclosure proceedings. You have to give me those forms for me to rescind. The The reason why they won't do it is because the second you exercise your right to rescind,

right, that house was no longer a a security

in that

transaction anymore.

So that it's released from being taken.

But

they have to take the house back within twenty days.

Okay? So they have to take the house within twenty days of incision.

Right? But

they have to give you back every single penny you gave them.

So you've been paying that mortgage for fifteen years. They have to turn around to give you not only your down payment back, but every penny you ever sent them for towards that mortgage. All of it. 100% of it. Well, what if they what if they sell that mortgage to another company without your permission and you didn't contract with them? Is it the same as the car?

It's the it's the same as the the vehicle when they repossess your car?

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. Stay on track with this. We could get into that. It's a little

different. But,

they have to give you back all the money. This goes for cars too. For cars. Okay? Thing is they should never repo a car. They shouldn't be doing any of that stuff because you've already paid them.

Right? That agreement that you signed becomes

a pooled security

that they go and sell and trade. They'll sell it, like, three, four, five times to different companies.

Alright?

So

it's already been paid for anyway through the securitization of those applications. Those are called OIDs, originalized for discount. That's what those things are. You paid them. You forgot you never reported to the IRS because you didn't know they were supposed to do that. So

when but when you do this precision,

the house or even a car is no longer,

a security in this debt, meaning that its lien is removed.

And they have twenty

calendar days to take the property back from you.

But to take it back from you, they have to give you back every money you ever gave them

for that loan.

So all the money you gave them towards that contract, they have to give back to you. Now if you've been living in a house for fifteen years paying the mortgage, they're gonna give you fifteen years of mortgage payment.

You may not find the same house you live in, but you could probably afford to buy a house with that money.

You know?

Or put a substantial down payment on another one.

What if you already paid for your house and it's fully paid for? Like, our more we don't have a mortgage anymore.

So then, I mean, you can always

So the only thing that we owe technically

are, like, taxes.

Because the I know we don't own the whole I have a warranty deed. I don't have I don't have the allo deal title. I don't have the allo deal title to, like, anything. I just have,

the warranty deed. Because if you don't take if you don't pay your taxes, they take your house.

Right. Well, that's because you Within with them whatever state you live in. County.

Yeah. You have split title with the company. You go with the with the company with the state

with the county. And and it's you have a legal title over the house, but they have equitable title over the house. That's why they get to get sued.

Okay? The warranty deed is is a type of bond that pays out interest. It's a it's a three month

it's a it's a quarterly bond payment.

Okay? You're the one paying you on that bond.

You're paying

them to keep the place through the property taxes, and they can keep raising the interest rate for themselves. That's what they're doing.

Right? So you have

to you have to collapse title.

You can't because they still have equitable title. You have to collapse it.

Otherwise, you're gonna have to split the putting into a trust?

Yeah. You can put it into a trust, but you have to use a free 1913 language.

Because, before 1913,

we weren't under a banking cartel.

Ever since 1913, they split

title to legal and equitable title, and you only have legal title.

So, like, create a business,

get a trust,

put the property

because,

I mean Yeah. We're sitting on

or gold. Three acres

of land

in Mendota, Illinois.

And I didn't even realize any of this until, like, a few years ago. I had no clue about any of this.

So

which I am gonna email I think his name is Greg. I wrote it all down.

To help me track down the land patent because I'm having a hard time tracking down the land patent because somebody

there's a lot of people that bought up a lot of property in Illinois.

Yeah. I mean, you can't To protect this property so that the kids,

our children can still,

like,

without

especially my daughter because she has CP. So I wanna build on this property

a smaller like like a mother in law's type apartment on here. But I don't wanna take out a loan.

So I'm trying to do it through,

like, through trust and, you know, through all that other stuff. So Danielle can have her own space, but yet still be taken care of. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah. Is that 170 government

fund.

So there's a couple of things you can do to get out of the property taxes. The easiest thing to do is set up a private foundation,

put the house into the foundation,

and use the state tax exemption

to not pay property taxes. Every state has a property tax exemption. Private foundations qualify under that, and you can just utilize that. So you don't have to hassle. You've got the state agreeing with you that you don't pay taxes because it's in the foundation.

If you'd if your daughter has a condition, that's perfect way to say, look. This is for health and blah blah blah, these reasons. So that falls under a five zero one c three type of,

argument,

and you can utilize that for that purpose.

Right? And then that's it. You're you're just tax exempt like that. It's it's why waste all this time and effort on something that the state's gonna fight you on with these land patents when you can do something as simple as that? That's what I did. I put everything under my my music school. And Because it falls under education, it's considered prior foundation and it's it's in fact exempt.

And I can do because,

like, what I was

I've been, like, brainstorming my brains

because during COVID, all this crap that happened during COVID,

they shut down all the workshop programs for congress did for the handicap.

All workshop programs are shut down. So what I did was I started learning how to grow food

so I can make

it a growing food business and put it into a foundation

with the handicap back to work. Oh my god, dude. I we need to talk. I'm a send you my money. You're gonna help me. I'm a send you my number. You're gonna help me figure this out.

Because what I wanna do is put them back to work. Like, the kids that

can't

I have a huge garden. I have, like, a lot of produce that I don't want to go bad. We have farmers markets. We have, like, all kinds of other stuff.

But these kids in these programs, they won't help them because they don't they don't want them to be self sufficient. They don't want them to, you know, like, do anything. Some can, some can't.

That being said,

like, Carl has already sold

to two restaurants in his area, which is my daughter's fiance.

He's disabled too.

At restaurants, my cherry tomatoes.

Right?

So I'm trying to figure out a way to get these kids and I can just make a foundation

in a 05/00/1933. What I didn't even know you could do that.

No. Yeah. Talk.

What's your name?

We need to talk. My name is Mary.

Hi, Mary. My name is Joe.

Hi, Joe.

Yeah. 5081

That's what Jimmy's saying in the chat. I don't know if you can see the chat. But I don't have the chat because I don't have the Internet like you guys have, so I can't when I do, I just do the dial up.

No. That's fine. I'm just saying what he said. Yeah. But I just wanna say a 5013

special

situations

is a 5081

a. A 5081

a is a type of 5013.

So I just want people to know that. Like, when Jimmy talked about the 508, he's totally right. I'm not disagreeing with him on that at all. I'm just saying the five zero eight is a type of five zero one c three. So just so that people know. It is it still falls under that provision, but it just doesn't have a public,

like, there's no public interference with it. Like, a five zero one c three, people can publicly, you know, change things or modify it because of, you know, public opinion and stuff. It's swayed by public opinion, where a five zero eight is not.

But isn't a five o

isn't that, like, for churches,

nonprofit?

It can be. Yeah. Churches and educational systems. So like like I said, like, you could do a five zero one c three

for health purposes,

right, for your daughter,

and that would fly totally. They they they won't bother you. You know? The NFL is a five zero one c three. Why don't people realize that? The NFL is a five zero one c three. It doesn't pay taxes because it's taxes done. Because it's using the provisions of football, they're not paying taxes.

You can't make this whole thing. That is hilarious. You've gotta be shitting me. That is oh my god.

Yeah. That no. That is it. Don't don't look it up. The the NFL, the five zero one two three. That's why it doesn't pay quickly.

Yeah. Of course. Joe, can you can you do a video on this to help us,

put together $5.00 $8.02 and a's?

Or

is that what we need to get with you?

And if we gotta get with you, can you slowly give your email again?

I know you've done it a billion times, but I've yet to get it correctly.

Yeah. My email is,

j

so hold on. I'm gonna type it in the chat. [email protected].

Joe, just to add to the NFL thing, that's why every single player has a foundation.

They're tax exempt as well.

Yeah.

Mhmm.

Hey, Joel. Wow. Thank you for that.

Yeah.

Is there a possibility that, like, sometime during this week or whatever that we can,

devote, like, a a separate after show to just talking about this.

That way, we get all of the ducks in a row and all of the the questions asked and answered, and,

it'll only take a minimal amount of time instead of you

getting your inbox filled with tons of the same questions.

I get the anyway, I don't I I'm I've come to peace with that. But yeah. Yeah. We can we can do that one day for sure. We can set set aside, like, an hour or something after after a show to talk about this.

Okay.

Just pick the day any day but Thursday.

So

and anytime after two.

That's

all after two. Joe, real quick. Give your email address again and slow down a little so I could spell it.

It's, j

these are all letters, by the way. Jlus,sasinSam,liket,ica247@Gmail.

Let's see.

Oh,

it's

Mara Well,

broke it.

That was talking to my wife.

What what I would like to do is I maybe Thank you. Maybe do it, like, after 01:30.

Just have the Radio Ranch and a little bit of of chatter based on, you know, what the Radio Ranch was talking about, and then switch gears and switch streams and switch recordings

and start

just like an encapsulated program on

on this,

on the five zero eight c one a and all that.

I'd, like, start at 01:30, end at 02:30, and then we're done.

It would probably have to be next Monday. I don't I wouldn't I I'm looking through my schedule. I'm not gonna be free

anytime during those hours.

Because I've this is why I haven't been on the show lately is because I I'm working so much. I always miss the I always miss the show. I don't know if I'd be here every day.

You know?

Right. But, I was able to get in today, and next Monday, I'll have a similar

situation. So

I can make it next Monday. Next Monday, 01:30.

Alright. I'll make it happen. I'll have all the buttons, all the proper buttons pushed.

Alright. Just just don't don't forget to remind me.

Oh, Oh, I'm supposed to remind you. I can remind you on Monday if you show up for the show. Oh,

oh, man.

I Paul, I mean, I'm not not not trying to, like, you know, disrespect anybody, but, oh my goodness, the amount of stuff I have to remember is ridiculous.

Oh, I know. It's,

that's crazy.

So I do get bombarded

with people all week with emails and stuff. I'm always trying to figure these things out, and, I tend to forget

these

unscheduled appointments. You know what I mean? Right. I volunteer.

What would get a be a good re reminding

time?

Monday,

the day before?

The day before then, probably Monday morning. But,

just for talking about it, I'll probably come on the show on Monday, next Monday anyway, just

just because I'll

oh, this whole conversation is making me remember it better.

But it is a week away, and who knows what's gonna happen?

I'll probably forget because the whole weekend next time with my kids, and then

everything's a week.

Right. After that, you know,

you know, it's been the weekend with the kids, and then everything's like a blank slate

on Monday again.

Alright. Well, thank you, Joe. And I will send a reminder.

Okay. Worst case scenario, Paul just call me and say, like, Joe, we're waiting for you on my phone.

Okay.

Alright. Well, I I just wanted to give you enough time, like, between reminder

and the the deal to prepare,

you know, to, like, work it out in your mind how you wanna how you wanna present it. Because the whole thing is to eliminate you getting 300 emails

in one day. I mean, that happens to me every day, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Yeah. No. I mean, I yeah. I get a lot of emails every day. I I've,

I get emails, Telegram messages. And by the way, if anyone's messaging me on Telegram, I do not get alerts on Telegram, so don't be offended if I don't reply to you for, like, three days or something because I just just straight up just don't see it because of all the other people messages.

You know? Right. And it looks and stuff like that. It just kinda hides messages.

I have alerts turned off because if I didn't, I would never get anything done. I'd be constantly interrupted with an alert.

So Yeah. Exact that's why I turned it off. That's exactly why.

Yep.

We are kindred spirits.

Anyway, speaking of which, I actually have some place that I'm supposed to be by 02:30, so I'm going to take an opportunity here

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