In this episode, Our host, Roger Sayles, dives into a wide-ranging discussion touching on technology mishaps, the intricacies of radio broadcasting, and the cultural significance of sports. The conversation then shifts to the history and impact of radio, with Roger reminiscing about his early experiences with the medium and its role in shaping his career. The episode also explores the cultural and personal significance of sports, particularly college football, and the changes brought about by recent developments like the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) agreements.
Brent Winters joins the discussion, bringing his insights into the intersection of religion, culture, and law. He delves into the importance of trust and evidence in religious faith, contrasting it with the pitfalls of false religion. The conversation touches on historical figures like George Patton and their views, as well as the cultural differences in cleanliness and societal norms. The episode concludes with a reflection on the importance of living a life of purpose and the role of spontaneity in genuine communication.
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Catch Thank you, Alvin, as, we would and try to do on a regular basis, six days a week anyway. And here we go at another stab on the Friday edition with, a cohost, Brent Winters, who's not quite with us yet, but he'll drag in here in a minute. The, formalities are it's the Radio Ranch. I am Roger Salesman. Winners will join us. And, it is the August 8. About almost a third of the way through August already. Wow. It flies, man. It just flies. So, we have, some folks, that help us extend our reach, and we wanna give them proper recognition. Credit to do that is mister the wizard, Paul Beaner. Hey, Paul. Morning. You said you had a hell of a night last night?
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Yeah. I had a hell of a night. And to make a long story short, all about midnight, things quit working. And as it turns out, my new router that I had installed was doing a firmware upgrade. And my Internet connection, thank you, Spectrum. My Internet connection dropped in the middle of the router doing that firmware upgrade. So the upgrade failed. It corrupted the router. I had to reset it to factory defaults from the stored firmware, which meant I had to reupdate it again afterward, and then I had to reconfigure the entire network. And in the process of doing that, the network card in my personal workstation that I use to remote control everything, that network card refused to reconnect to the network. Studio c and e would connect, but I have no way of man maintaining those machines without this one.
So I'd I I worked on it till I worked on it till about 02:00 in the morning, and I said, screw this. I'm going to bed. Woke up at 05:00 and got working on it, and I just got everything working about an hour ago. Well, I'll tell you what, this,
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this technological age is just staying. Everything is cracked up to be all the time. That's when it
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works. But it used to be so simple.
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When it works, it used to be real. Yeah. It used to be relatively simple, but they've compiled and compiled and compiled stuff on top of it. And Mhmm. For folks like me, they left me a long time ago because I'm just not gonna keep sit here and keep up with all that stuff. So Yeah. Anyway, well, I'm glad you got it straightened out. And, again, the router, you had to go buy a router because the other one, you couldn't turn off five g on it, the one they supplied you. So you had to go buy your own. Yep. That's that's forcing. I I just heard this morning.
Next week, they're gonna start, this, age identification stuff on YouTube. Oh, really? Now it's yep. Well, supposedly, that's what they say. I heard Harrison talking about this morning. Anyway, go ahead and get our, our our our guys identified, and we can launch off into conversations and
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see what comes out. I can do that. And I apologize. I was supposed to make a long story short but failed to do so. We're on, radiosoapbox.com.com. Thanks to, Paul English, our, buddy from across the pond. Great Paul English live yesterday. I missed everything following the twenty minute mark, because I got phone calls and things like that. I I wasn't able to get back to it. But, and I'll I'll also talk more about archives and things like that after this. We are we're also on eurofolk radio dot com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on Global Voice Radio Network. That's my pet project I've been running for over a decade.
And, we're, connected to a free conference call so people can join us live on the show. The links to Euro Folk Global Voice and FCC are on our website, thematrixdogs.com. It is thematrixdogs.com. Now, little heads up about the archive for yesterday's show. It is not up. It's gonna take a little it's gonna take a little bit to to come up with it because in the midst of failures and things like that, Pod Home no longer has the recording for yesterday's show. So what I had to do is I had to pull three different files out of the cloud server that I back the shows up to locally.
Yep. And I have to take those three files, and I need to reassemble yesterday's program. Okay. All you had
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all you had to tell us here was it wasn't available yet. So you get into these explanations, and the majority of us don't know what the hell you're talking about. So Okay. Just, just yesterday, it'll be up when I can get it compiled or something. It'll be up when I can get to it. There you go. So k. See, nobody's confused now. So because all this tech stuff well, this tech stuff goes over 99% of people's heads, I think, anyway. I might be wrong. Anyway, we're, waiting for Brent. So just kinda come going over the territory. Did did you get everybody identified or not? Yes. I did.
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Okay. Good deal. Oh, and, yes. The Alan, there is proof of life from Alan, and, he, he he's still working on the case and, actual actually dodging dodging attacks as a result of that. They're they're not happy that he's bringing this, lawsuit against him. They're trying to take him out. So Okay.
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Prayers. Well, I understand. Lord, be careful, man. Jeez.
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Yeah.
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Wow. Yeah. That's what I like about our approach here. We don't have to file suits or go after anybody. All we gotta do is send one guy a little piece of paper and go on about your life. We gotta learn some stuff. Gotta get your brain synapses working again. But that's good and refreshing for most people. So, the most of the news, that I can ascertain by the way, if you're new and you're just, stumbling in here, it's a unusual day. We, have for many years now, over ten, probably closer to twelve. Been doing a Friday show with this, quite an, quite a, unusual American, Brent Winters. He's a national treasure in my eyes.
And, we Brent and I enjoyed I should go into how that happened maybe. Brent and I enjoyed the show so much. We'd probably do it even if y'all weren't here, but, generally, the audience really likes it. The way this all came about years ago, just FYI, on I used to be on one of my former ex wives was the micro effect. I refer to ex radio stations as ex wives. And, the micro effect, a little outfit out of Idaho. One guy is trying to do everything and, had done a lot of work, put a lot of money into it. I understand all that. In the early days, we didn't have all this additional technology we've got now that simplifies and makes things less expensive in many respects.
Anyway, his name was Joe, and, so I got on over there and had an afternoon slot and, also had Larry Beecraft on the network on Saturdays. And, Larry out of Huntsville, Alabama. Pretty well known in certain circles. He's a good tax attorney from the standpoint of it. He won some big cases. Franklin Sanders was one of them, if y'all know who Franklin is. Anyway, he was on the network on Saturdays, and he'd send out a little email with on whose guest he was gonna have on it. So I got that email because I was on that list, and it said I'm gonna have, Brent Winters on this week. He's an expert on the common law. Well, I knew we were moving over to the common law when we did our process, and yet there's very few people that know anything about it.
One of the ones that did was my teacher, John Benson, of course, and here's another guy, Brent Winters. I'm told from this email is a lot of expertise in that area. My intent originally was to get John and Brent on a show together to discuss the common law, which would have been a hell of a program. K? Two vast receptacles of information and knowledge. And, so, anyway, John was, towards the end of his life at that point. He wasn't doing well help wise, wise, and that just never came about. So I had Brent on my show, and and and there was instant chemistry there as there still is all these years later.
And, and on the Friday, at that point, I was on the afternoon. And so it was like the Friday of the weekend and try and implant some spirituality and connect these things, to that area of so people could mow on it over the weekend. And so, that's where we started, and here we are all these years later. It's been a heck of a Friday trip over. So one time Brent was up in Alaska up in the Matanuska Valley, right up there where, judge Anna lives, by the way, Paul. And, so he was connected to the Internet via laser, and I was down in Argentina at in Patagonia. We're in the upper reaches of Patagonia and, doing a radio show all over the world. It's really kind of freaky. Talk about technology. Right?
So, anyway, that's where we started. And, here it is all these years later and, love to have Brent on and bring him on, and I we never set anything up. I say never, maybe once or twice on some topic, but, otherwise, it's just open the mic and let things go as I prefer to do radio shows because there's genuality. There's and things are genuine when they're spontaneous. And when they're canned, people can sense that. You know? It's very difficult to lie on the radio, and that's funny to say, but you can lie on TV as they do all the time. But it's very difficult to lie on the radio, and that's evidenced by the fact that there's never been a successful liberal radio network or program ever that lasted over any kind of length of time. You just have a hard time lying on the radio.
And, so that's one of the reasons I I really love this medium. Radio has been part of my entire life since I was a little kid about I don't even remember how old I was, Paul, but I remember, speaking of technology, we were in New Mexico's in the late fifties, and the transistor had come out. You get those little transistor radios for the first time. And, I would lay, go to sleep with that little thing under my pillow and listen to all these far off stations. You know? XLRO, I think it was, and, whoop man jack, and, KOMO in Oklahoma City and all these long distance night bounce off the ionosphere station. So I've kind of been connected to RF radio frequency since I was a young kid.
And lo and behold, that's where I end up part of my career in directly or indirectly, either in radio or working with radio people. And, it's the theater of the mind. And on top of that, I taught it broadcasting for ten years or so at the Art Institute of Atlanta. And not how to do it, but the history of and how it works and how it developed and all that kind of stuff. It's just, it's a wonderful, it's a wonderful medium. I I say you can't lie on it. You know, remember HG Wells' War of the Worlds. Couple of people jumped out of buildings and stuff during that, so I guess you can lie on it.
But it's not very productive for you, and I like it because each one of you is hearing the same thing, but you're all interpreting slightly differently because it's in your mind. And so, radio has been a big part of my life. I really love it, and, I'm tickled to death to be here at the, you know, towards the end chapter whenever that comes. But, to be in it professionally here, you know, I guess you could say that, and to be delivering this totally unique message that we've got a monopoly on. And, it's just real thrilling for me. It's very satisfying. And, because of the message and the nature of it, it really, for me, gives my life great purpose.
So, anyway, that's everyone should live a life of purpose. It really fulfills you. K? So I see Brent isn't here yet. I'd we don't have a way to communicate anymore because Microsoft and the way they did, Skype. Usually, he and I will trade messages, but we haven't been doing that for well, since May. So, anyway, Paul, this little, application that they've got they're communicating on, is that a cell phone only application, or does it have a desktop
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app also? Do you know?
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No. They use found. And, no. There's there's a desktop app.
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Okay.
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On Okay.
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I can actually remote into your computer and put it on there. I think I might have already done that. No. Don't put don't put it on no. Don't put it on the little one. It just have to go on the big one. So anyway because if it's on a cell phone, I just don't don't wanna use it. I have such a hard time with cell phones. So we'll see. Anyway, you used to send a message to each other before the hey. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? And and, Skype screwed that up. And, so I don't know where Brent is. We haven't seen Franny in a couple of weeks. Right? Not that I know of. No. Yeah. Me neither. So that's kinda unusual. So thank you, Microsoft. You once again screwed everything up.
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Well, yeah, they replaced they replaced Skype with Teams, and they really screwed that up because Teams, you can't even, I mean, it doesn't tell you if you missed a call from someone like Skype used to. And you cannot record a voice snippet message. You know, you Skype, you could either type a message or you just click the little microphone and speak and, you know, hey, I just wanted to touch base with you, check and see how you're doing. Not a big deal. Give me a call if you have time, and then you're done. They screwed that up. They screwed that up too? It's not a function. It's it's not a feature in Teams. There's no way to do it. Well,
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anyway, all my phone numbers are on there and stuff. I I just get so aggravated at these people. Regard everybody's told me, said you won't like Teams.
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Yeah. Excuse me. Well, I'm not wild about it myself.
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Oh, well, we'll find another way. Somebody can come up with something or we'll get a work around regardless. That's the the situation. And I still haven't spoken or communicated with Brent in some time, since May, going on two and a half months. So, anyway, there we are. So we'll just launch off on our own here and wait to see if mister Winters shows up. There's no telling. Hopefully, nothing's happened, or we just don't know. Okay. In this world of communication, instant communication worldwide, we don't
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know. Yeah. Okay.
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Alright. So, we've done had a couple of really good shows. Yesterday's show was very full. Started out with Samuel, bringing, the incredible farmer or whatever his name is to our The lunatic farmer. Trying to the what? The the what is it? The lunatic farmer. Lunatic. That's right. And, so hoping maybe some of y'all wrote him emails or stuff or SteamDaddy. I've just had to come to the conclusion it's hard earned. It's hard realized. You you just can't chase people with this stuff. Mhmm. You you it's it's counterproductive to put it that way. Right. Plant a seed, go on. You can go back and water it occasionally, but you just can't go chasing them. They don't respond very well.
You it's got to be this message, for some reason, just reaches a small percentage and, people, and they respond. And when they respond, like Todd and his folks have here in the last ten days or so, you, feed them. You know? Then I just see somebody show up up there. Is that brand new? Mister winners. There he is. Mister Winters showed up. There you go. He's still muted. He's he's probably still fixing his microphone to his lapel. Prior to that, he's trying to get a fix on what we're doing here. So he's gonna come in and we're we've just been yakking Brent about, how you and I cross paths originally, through mister Beecraft and some of that kind of stuff and how long we've been doing the show and under some of the unusual circumstances, that we've accomplished it. How are you doing this morning, Brent?
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And what yeah. And alright. And we never,
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think about what we're gonna say before we get here. Well, I said that already. It's totally spontaneous. Occasionally, we'll say, look, the group wanted to talk about some legal aspect or something earlier in the week and but that's the only kind of setup we've ever had on this show because I insist on spontaneity. Spontaneity is real. It can't be faked. It can't be hidden. It's just real, and that's what I want out of this program.
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Sure. And, we of course, all radio used to be like that and all TV and all that changed. You know, I go into a meeting here not too many months back, and, I said my piece. And, there's quite a few people there. They invited me to come. And when I got done, I found out talking to people and talking to some of the people that put on, said, well, these folk here, they're not interested in what you got to say that much. What they're interested in is how they can not pay taxes or get their allodial title on their land, for example, or their water rights and what what do they gotta do right now. And they're what they're looking for is free legal advice, and that doesn't come That didn't come in a situation like this or when I was talking. And and by the way, to, deal with present problems at hand, won't change anything. There are a lot of present problems at hand that are, practical. You may need a lawyer for, but that's not what will change things. And if you fix your little problem, little to the rest of the world, it may be big to you. It's not gonna change anything, and it's gonna come right back at you. And chances would be a fix and they're pretty slim anyway if it has to do with the government.
That's the fact of the matter. I'm I'm giving you my personal testimony. It's alright to fight the government, and I don't know anybody that's fault them anymore than I have over the last few decades and paid a horrible price in wounds and setbacks because of it and to me and my family. But there's there's something deeper going on here that needs to be dealt with. And if it isn't, it's just gonna get worse. And so to to, to put aside what people call theory, it's not theory. It's the practical thing that matters. And what we talk about, of course, Roger and I, we talk about, and then on my other show too, I just talk about here's the mindset you ought to have.
Why? Because God said so. That's why. And if you don't do it, you're just gonna continue to spiral downward, and, personally, you're gonna lose it. When somebody oh, and then people get off course we talk here about also patriot mythology. I even taught a class, Roger. We teach law classes at the law school, and I taught a whole class on patriot mythology. And I didn't come close to covering all of them I wanted to cover. Of course, I cover the big ones. You know? And then there's not only patriot mythology. There's mythology with I said patriot mythology, I guess. Mythology within Christianity.
For example, the the King Jammers. The The King James. The King James follow a woman, and I couldn't remember her name. Oh, yeah. They follow her. And, also, the, they follow this, fellow that was down in Texas who's not gone. His name is,
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Tex Mars.
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No. Well, Tex is one of them. I'm glad you brought him up. Yeah. He was rabid. And he walked to Tallahatchie, Texas. And, you know, I like listening to Tex. He's kinda fun. Yeah. But when the King James, he just went off the rails. And he he'd ruined relationships. He'd he'd tell people to go to h e double l or in different ways he knew, and he wouldn't talk to you. And why? It's a mania. It's a delusion. This whole King James thing. I was trying to think of this fella who is, he had a he all these guy most of them most of them are hardcore Baptist Bible.
What I what you call them. I don't know. It's not that I I have friends that are in that movement, and I get along with some of them. But, there's some of them just they're so rapid. They they, they do what the Roman Catholics do. They take a translation of the Bible to be final, and that's what the Roman Catholics do. They take the Latin Volgate, which is like the King James back in the day it would translate it, and they took that. And the Roman the Roman, the pope takes that, and that's final. That's the authorized version for them. Of course, nobody can read it. I don't like that makes any difference, but that's the authorized version. Well, the King James people that way too.
Ruckman Peter Ruckman. Yeah. That's the name of the fella. It finally came to me. I knew if I jacked my jaw long enough, it would come. It jumped. Yeah. Yeah. Peter Ruckman and this other woman who wrote a book about new age Bible versions. I don't remember her name. I've talked to her. After I talked to her, I said, I'm not gonna get close to this woman ever again. She's, oh, she was that she was that upset. And, of course, we all get upset, but she's upset for the wrong reasons. She's a Roman Catholic as well. Very hardcore at it, but she claims to have denounced all that. And then she wrote a book called new age Bible versions, and all the men in the King James movement follow this woman.
What's wrong with this picture? What's going on here? And she doesn't know anything about the subject. Although she was an English professor there in Ohio Ohio State, I think. And she she can write a good book, and she can put a turn on the words that will suck people in. And I know some of those techniques. I watched I read enough of, people that, do that. I remember Charles Beard. He wrote a book back in 1910. I didn't know the guy, obviously, but I've read his book, and he was really good at starting me out, and you agree with him. And then every sentence he would write after that, he would change one more little tiny in discriminatory nuance in the words. And by the time he got to the fourth sentence, he was saying, just the opposite and you were agreeing with him. That's an important technique with, writers that teach false doctrine. And that's the way she is. I read through her book, and I just shook my head. And I said, well, and all the men are I've texted Mars, you know, and who the other one down there in Pensacola, he went to federal prison for about ten years. Baldwin?
No. Oh, no. Chuck. I don't know that Chuck's a king jammer. Maybe he is Chuck Baldwin. I don't I don't know. He's out in, Montana now. Yeah. He is. He was down at Pensacola. That's true. But Correct. His big thing Chuck's big thing is, our loyalty should be to The United States and not the state of Israel. And that's pretty much That's very top that's a very topical subject. Yeah. That's pretty much all he talks about anymore.
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I don't know that that's the wise thing to do being in his position, but go ahead, Roger. Well, I was gonna tell you it's not only him. It's everybody. You can't hardly turn on a news program or commentary. It's not all about, you know, half of it or so is for Israel, half of it against. I think more than half against now. It's really creeping up on them. They're getting exposed. They're getting to be the topic of conversation, which they hate. And, and, boy, they're really backed into a corner on this on this Netanyahu psychopath path of, dealing with these poor people in Gaza.
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Well, what I discover for what's worth and we've talked about this. We can talk about it more. It seems to be something people are interested in. But, going about, your rejection of Judaism the wrong way will destroy you. And the wrong way is any way you think is proper besides what Jesus Christ tells us to do, and he tells us very distinctly what to do about it. And this is the the great antagonist of the gospel records in the Bible. Jesus Christ did nothing but butt heads with that bunch. That's all he ever did until he got them worked up and they murdered him. And that's what he was that's what he came to have done. And he even said that. No. He he's looking for a fight. He knew that he had to be murdered. He so he was gonna present the truth until till they finally they snapped, and they couldn't stand it anymore, and they'd kill him. But he tells us how to handle them. Germany handled it wrongly. And, because they handled it wrongly, they've never recovered, and I don't know if they ever will at this point. Is is it what what is it? See, when we approach the evil empire and the useful idiots thereof, and we think we're gonna fix their wagon, we're gonna do what has to be done, and we don't do it according to our the orders we have from our captain, we're gonna lose. That's the way it works. And he tells us how to fight this fight. This fight that we're down here on on on Earth, on land is about false religion. It always has been. It's not about false, fundamentally about false government. False government is a product of false religion. Yes. If you have false religion, you'll have false government.
Here in America, we've had fundamentally true religion. I was just talking yesterday. In 1976, must have been a long time ago now, Roger. See, right at for near fifty years. I was right in the heart of my record business career right then. Oh, I remember I was in California at that time, and Jerry, young Jerry Brown was governor, and he was hanging around. Moonbeam. Moonbeam. What?
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Moonbeam.
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Well, he was hanging around with that, what was that little gal's name kinda cute? Hey, Brent. Yeah. I'm like, well, I wanna hear what you're gonna say, but I gotta think of this gal. Oh, Linda Ronstadt. He was hanging out. Yeah. Who somebody said something. I I don't know who it is. Bob.
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Bob. Yeah. Okay. Well, I could tell you I could tell you some Linda Ronstadt stories, but they're not fit for the radio. Go ahead, Bob. Yeah. The name you were looking for in the Panhandle is Brett is Kent Hoban.
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Yeah. Kent. Kent Hoban. He went to prison for ten years for, unjustly, by the way. But, but he he's King Jammer. He hangs around with that gal I was talking about. What's her name? If somebody finds it, they can let me know. But, I try to forget her. But he he most allies with her, Peter Ruckman. Peter Ruckman. And, I like you know, I listen to Peter. I've listened to him for decades. And he's a good communicator. That's why I like to listen to him. He's gone now. And he'd he was one of these kind of guys, Roger, that would get a great big blackboard up, and he'd have all different kind of color different colors of chalk. And while he would talk and tell stories and make his lessons, which sometimes were very good, he would draw pictures with chalk.
And, of course, that keeps you interested. You're saying, well, what's he get what's he draw on here? You know? And he he gets to flesh it out and and, he's he's real good with chalk. I don't know how he learned how to do it. But and he would tell good stories that would communicate Bible truth. The guy was a biblicist. There's no doubt about that. But why he and I've even heard it said by people that spend their whole lives in the on the question of manuscripts, and there's a not a handful of men that do that. Some of them are dead right. Some of them are dead wrong, but they've said the only man in the King James only movement that is qualified to speak on the subject, really, was Peter Ruckman.
Peter Ruckman knew he understood manuscripts, and he had spent his life well, he had been formally educated to it, and he'd spent his life doing it. Why he came to the wrong conclusion is, well, I have some idea. You know, some of us, Roger, we have the same facts, and the problem isn't the facts. We once we establish the facts, the facts don't move. It's our interpretation of the facts where we can go wrong. Yeah. And that's that's where I saw Peter on this one point. Mhmm. And he was he was just dead wrong on that point. Why he continued that? I don't know. You know, there's also here's what I think people want in the King James movement for what it's worth, and some of them are listening. And, I'm not against you. Like I say, I have friends that under a lot of them Christian folk, a lot of them aren't.
But the what the King Jamesers want is certainty. They want certainty, and they wanna be able to point to something and say, this is final and this is certain. And what they're unwilling to live with is a tinge of uncertainty. Now God himself has given us those tinges of uncertainty, and he wants us to look at the evidence and brush them aside. Our God doesn't want us to do anything, but what we don't do it on sufficient evidence. When you read the Bible, I read the Bible. Some of you have read the Bible a lot. If you'll be sensitive to it, you'll discover.
It'll just shout at you at every word and phrase. This is all about evidence. All of life is about evidence. And if you don't handle evidence correctly, and there's no mystery to handling evidence, there's you don't have to go to law school to figure out what evidence is, what to do with it. No. You do it without thinking. You've done it all your life. But if you are foolish enough to dismiss the requirement of evidence, that's the problem. There's no telling what you'll do. Peter Ruckman at the point of the manuscripts dismissed the requirement of evidence. Was, oh, Joe. He no. Bob. Bob was here. He said something. And, I guess I was I forgot. But thank you, Bob, for yeah. That that was Kent Hovind. Kent Hovind, here's another one.
Kent was a great communicator. He still is. But he used to make presentations all over the world concerning creation versus evolution. And, I've never heard anybody. I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I like to say, but I'm not the dumbest, but I've never heard anybody could get the points across as clearly as Ken Hoven. And, Ken Hoven grew up in East Peoria, Illinois. He traveled around the world, and he he just saw the silliness, utter silliness of evolution, so he he showed it. And he did a lot of scientific. What's scientific? That's not a good word. He just did a lot of research. What does scientific mean? That means just knowledge. It's just a Latin word for knowledge. What is the scientific method? It's the method of just looking at the evidence.
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It looked clear to me that's what's going on here. That's that's simple. You know? Brent, was he the guy that would go around and challenge anybody? Hold on, Larry. Was he the guy that would go by and challenge anybody on, evolution?
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Oh, yeah. And he'd I I know who he was. Yep. These Harvard guys and stuff, and he'd get done. And he hit then he'd say, I I just want you to know I didn't come here to win a debate. That's just stupid. You know, debates are for high school children and politicians and other mental deficient. I've been in a few debates. You're really wasting your time. But he said, I didn't come here to debate. I came here to present the gospel of Jesus Christ, and if I could get here this way, I'd do it. The the problem is you fellas aren't enlightened of the truth of the gospel. That's the problem, and your minds are dark, and you'll never see the truth because you don't want to. God will wiggle your willer. He'll he'll he'll make you want to accept the evidence of truth. That's what he'll do. Oh, Larry or somebody was on It was Larry. Larry, what you got?
[00:35:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just gonna say that Peter Ruckman believed in what's known as double inspiration that the King James translators were inspired to, write down the correct words in terms of the translation, and they all and he also believed that the, the the the authorized what he called the authorized King James version corrected the Greek. So if there was, like, a misunderstanding with the Greek language that whatever was translated into English actually corrected the Greek misunderstanding or so called error. Were you aware of that, Brent?
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Yes. I was. Yeah. I've listened to Bruckman for years, and and thank you though for bringing it up. I can't you're thinking of something I'm not, but, that's the same thing the pope of Rome has done for centuries. He takes a translation of the Bible, and he says, this is the correction and the final word, not the Greek text, this. And, you but you say that to the King James. What the King James and this is part of our flesh. We want certainty. We just want somebody to cut it clear and say, here's here it is. This is final. That's it. That's true. Put out the evidence. That's what we want. What how do I wonder how he dealt with that front page of the original translation where the translator said there was over 500
[00:36:53] Unknown:
intentional mistranslations in that version. I wonder how you dealt with that, Larry.
[00:37:00] Unknown:
Well, Larry is not talking. I'll I'll respond how I know it. Go ahead, Brent. And most King James a lot of them I met, they didn't go with the sixteen eleven. See? They went with the 17. I I somebody will correct me. I think it's the 1769 edition of the King James version. And they go with that, and so they say that that that page doesn't matter because it wasn't in the later revision. That page says it says we need to make revisions. We don't know everything. We're learning things about the Hebrew tongue. The Hebrew tongue was relatively new to the Western world at that time. And that's why you go to the King James Bible and it's it'll have the translation, then it'll have a note, and you'll go to the margin to see what the note said, and the note says or it could be translated this way. In other words, they were saying, we don't know for sure. And by the way, that's true of a lot of the Old Testament. I've translated every day. I've been working at it for decades, and I can tell you for sure, there's always more than one way to translate a word that is a good way to translate it. You know? That's not unusual.
Even after we've learned as much as we learn now. But but, it depends on what you want to stress of the Hebrew word, and you can never ever, ever, ever find a word in English that exactly,
[00:38:14] Unknown:
translates the Hebrew or the word. That's not even possible. Well, it's just kinda like Spanish too. Any language to the other. There's not a direct translation. Give you an example. Yeah. If I was to say, Brent, what what's your name? We were gonna meet I'd say, what's your name? And that would be like, what? K? K is. That would be that. But they don't. They use como. Como is to and that is how how is your name?
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How do you say it or something like that? Or Yeah. Exactly. So it has a little bit uh-huh. Go ahead. It just it's the same thing in a different
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perspective as determinate by the language and the way they use it. So and there's a bunch of those kind of things in in Spanish.
[00:39:02] Unknown:
Yes. And the Bible's filled with those things too. It's not that we can't get the clear message. Oh, we can get clear message. But, how do you get the color? You I like to say, you read read a decent translation into the Bible, you're gonna get a clear black and white picture of what it of what, the author is saying. But if you add the Greek and Hebrew a little bit, you can get color out of it. And, it's not may not be smooth English, but you'll have a more colorful picture, and that is what we try to do. That's what I try to do. A lot of times, I do this. I don't know anybody else that does it because it it's a little clumsy. But if I I try to hyphenate, word two words together to get the point of the one Hebrew or Greek word, and it it reads, okay, when I do that. I do that quite a bit because there's two aspects I wanna get across at the word freights. And, I can't always do that. Well, I can't do it always do that with one word.
For example, you take the word I'm trying to think of one. I had one in my head and it popped out. Now the old well, here's one. The word amen. The word amen is a Hebrew word in the Old Testament. And, it first appears in Genesis chapter 15 verse six, and it appears in the verb form, not the noun or the adjective form, the verb form. And, that's where Abraham, says that god told Abraham he's gonna, do two things, from using him do two things to make a nation. And Abraham wasn't an Israelite, by the way. He was a Syrian to make a nation and to, then provide a land for the nation to live in. A nation has to have a land or they're not a nation. It has to be we talked about this. This is from the Bible, but it's international law to have a to be recognized as a nation, there must be a land, a people that live on the land, the land must be bounded with clear boundaries, and there must be a law that applies to everybody in the land, a body of law. Well, now you got a nation. Well, he promised that to Abraham and said that Abraham said, right after he said that, he said, amen.
It says Abraham will amend. Well, amen. That's the word amen in the verb form in the stem, which means the or the early other causative stem. Yeah. The stem. Abraham was caused. Watch this, friends. This is huge. And this is this is not translated. It doesn't say Abraham believed God. That's the King James and every other English translation I know. It doesn't say that. It says, and he caused Abraham to believe. Well, that's quite different, isn't it? And that is the prototype of all all our our proper understanding of the salvation of God. And it was counted to him as righteousness.
Counted to him as righteousness? Yeah. It was put on his side of the ledger. He didn't do it. Abraham didn't do it. God caused all this to happen. God even when you believe God and trust God, God causes that to happen, not you. That's what the Bible teaches from front to back. But those connotations don't always come come clear. That puts all the glory to him and not you. You see? That's the whole point. Well, he he, calls Abraham. Well, that's the word what a man. Well, how do you translate that word? You should you translate it believe? He believed God. He caused to believe God. He trusted God.
He relied upon God. Which one of those or he was just solid. He affirmed God. Let's try that one. Well, all of those, all of those are proper in that they they're they communicate an aspect of that Hebrew word amen. But that Hebrew word amen, going back even further, has to do with a rock, a a fortress or an outcrop, something that's immovable. And the Bible throughout also talks about hiding yourself in the in the shelter of the rock. And who is the rock? It's the Messiah throughout the Bible. The rock is the Messiah. He will shield you when all the world caves in. If you're in him, something immovable. That's what what a man, stands for. So how do you translate that? So most of the translation just say believe.
Well, in my humble studied estimation, that's a pretty weak way to say it. Believe, it's just kind of a weak sounding word. By the way, if words sound weak, they are they are weak because they're meant to be heard. I use I like to use the word trust. Trust. Use that because, trusting is what it's all about, and it's a harsher sounding word, and it means to rely upon. You know, belief is one thing in our English tongue, and we say, well, belief is assenting to, accepting the truth of the matter. Well, that that didn't get it because the Bible says in James that the devil himself and his his devils, Satan himself and his devils accept the truth of the matter of who Jesus Christ is. It says, the devils believe and tremble.
Of course, they tremble. They're scared out of their wits of the Messiah of God. And but that doesn't mean that that, that belief makes them Christians or saves them from the lake of fire. It doesn't. So ascending to who to the truths of the Bible. I know it's true. That doesn't that that doesn't do anything for anybody. What does something? It's trusting the truth. That's that's it's the the trust that saves the trust that relies upon. And that rely what does that mean? That means you act upon it. If you're relying on it, you'll act upon it. It's like the old story about the guy that string stringed up, I don't know if it's true, but it makes the point. He's he strung up a long cable across Niagara Falls, and then he tried to walk across, you know, right in front of the falls. I know people have done those kind of things, and he did.
And then he took a wheelbarrow, you know, had of course, the wheelbarrow has one tire, and the tire is configured like those bicycles that tie rope walkers put on on cables. They're configured so they kinda like they run on a track. The cable's like a track, and the wheels made us some kind of metal, and it goes around. It's not just a rubber tire he has to balance. But, anyway, it's tough to do. He he took that wheelbarrow, and he walked across there and got that done. And he came back, and he went walked across the cable. And, he when he got back to the other side where the crowd was, he said, do you think I can do it again? They oh, yeah. You can do it again.
Do you believe I can do it again? Oh, yeah. We believe you can do it again. Do you trust that it that I'll make it happen? Oh, yeah. We trust that you can do it. Well, then one of you get in the wheelbarrow and let's go. See? That's the the difference. Believe it. Believe in us one thing. Are you willing to rely upon what you say to believe in? That wasn't that wasn't a great Walinski, was it? I don't know. I I I don't even know if it's a true story. I just I heard it one time, and I said that story makes the point. It sure does. Yeah. And when it comes to Christianity, oh, I believe in Jesus, and that's not I didn't have no. That didn't do it.
Trust is what God puts inside of you. He's the author of your trust. The Bible says it's a gift that he gives us that enables us to trust what he says. And when you say I trust him, that means you trust his what he says is true. You trust his will. You trust his law. Are you willing to act upon the law? Are you willing to hang your body on it? Like the three Hebrew boys, the and the the emperor Babylon said, well, if you don't bow down to this 90 foot statue of me over here, I'm gonna take your carcasses and throw them in a throw it in a furnace of fire, and then you're you're burn up. I'm not gonna put up with you not worshiping this image that I have set up of myself.
And they said, well, here's the deal, mister emperor. They're just boys. They said, we don't know about that. We just know we ain't bound down to that idol. We ain't gonna do it. We ain't gonna fall on our knees. We ain't gonna bend. We ain't gonna gen you flat. We're not gonna do it. Nothing personally I understand. You you just do what you gotta do, and we're gonna do what we gotta do. And then then they said, our lord our lord will our god will deliver us. And they said, but they added this, but if he doesn't deliver us, we still ain't gonna bow down. Because we consider that an eternity in hell is more important, we avoid that than you throwing us into a furnace of fire.
I mean, now what they were they doing? Well, they were trusting what god the second commandment said, thou shalt make unto me no graven image. That means make a, an icon, a picture, a two dimensional image, or a three-dimensional one like the one he had, an idol and genuflect before it, pray before it, for bound that blah blah blah. We ain't gonna do that. And they they said, we believe our God will somehow make it right. We just ain't gonna do it because he he set the standard and we're trusting him. We're trusting him for the future as we obey his law. That's the trust. You know, what like, the reformers used to say, when they use the, the English in the English speaking world, they use the word faith, and I I don't like that word because it's not enough. Faith, belief is too weak.
Trust. That has that that feels harsh. Like, it has some action to it. Something something firm. Well, they they trusted. That means they got in the wheelbarrow. And they and God was taking the wheelbarrow across Niagara Falls, and they said, yeah. I trust you. Whatever happens, I trust you. I don't walk by what I see or what I think or what my logic tells me. My logic ends logic is a good tool, but it ends where you have spoken. Where you have spoken, logic doesn't matter because where you have spoken, your word is fact.
That's what they say. See, that's what Christian people believe. If they're truly well, anyway, the reformer said the trust trust alone saves. Trust alone saves. That's true. Abraham didn't do anything. It just said he trusted. He did nothing. God did everything. But the trust trust alone saves, but the trust that saves is never alone. You will eventually act out upon your trust, but the acting out upon your trust is not what saves you from hell. Obedience to God's law is not what saves you from hell. What saves you from hell is something God puts in you that you will act upon in every case. And, you know, when with Abraham, for example, is said and Abraham was caused to trust God, and it was counted to him for righteousness.
That's salvation, friends. That's the prototype of all salvation. It doesn't say anything in there about him doing anything, and he didn't do anything. As far as we know from the record of the Bible, it was about fourteen years before he ever acted out upon that faith. And when he did it, he did it against all logic. God said it. That's it. I'm gonna do it. God told him to take his only son, his only son, from his lawful wife, Sarah, and tie him up, put him on a top of a a pile of wood, slay him with a knife, and burn his body. God told him to do that, and he went and got right up to the edge of doing it. Had the knife raised, had the boy tied up, hog tied on top, raised his dagger, and, the angel of the lord is the angel, not any the angel. That's the Lord Jesus Christ, preincarnate.
Said stop. Why was he willing to do that? And he, of course, he he made it clear he was gonna do it. And he why did God do that? God knew he didn't want him to do that. Why he did he tell him to do that? He told him to do that because that's the way God builds our faith by showing us well, yeah, I was obedient. And and in face of all odds, they threatened to kill me. They threatened to throw me in jail. They threatened to do this. They threatened to take my family away from me. I I I look back and I say, wow. I obeyed.
And that gives us great confidence, and that's the way he builds our trust in him. He did that to Abraham, and then, of course, he did that in '14 I said fourteen years later, then he circumcised himself. Well, that was an act of obedience. Didn't save him. Obedience to God does not save you, my friends. No. No. No. You're saved from hell by trust, and that's something that goes on inside of you. It's something that God works in you. And, it's never alone that comes out and works. Well, we started with the Kingjammers. I got a lot of friends that are Kingjammers.
I don't rail on them. Ruckman, you the most one of the most toxic men I've ever listened to is Peter Ruckman. And that's why some people like to listen to him because he just tears into everybody that doesn't agree with him and he does it viciously. He's written commentaries on every book of the Bible. And, just to read them as all, you know, you, it makes me laugh. He just, he has ways of insulting people that are beyond the imagination, very creative. But then you look at him. He's been married, I think, about three or four or five times. I forget he how many wives he had. Well, just unnecessarily caustic. You know?
But there are a lot of men that are drawn to that, and that's why he had such a following, and he did too. Well, if somebody thinks the name of that woman that was promoting, new age Bible versions do you remember? The name of that woman promoted new age had wrote that book. Well, I'll come up with it anyway. I may I can type it in here. It'll come to you. Speaking of women speaking speaking of women, can I ask a question? Where's Francine been? Is she alright? She's alright. A matter of fact, I talk to her pretty often because I I'm like you, Roger. Hey. Y'all alright? You know, we used to say and and, oh, yeah. I I know what she's up to. She's very busy. Okay. Yeah. And she's at she's at a point in her life where she's gotta do a lot of work and get things done and without saying what it is. But it's nothing Ben. Nothing dangerous to her. Matter of fact, Roger, it's positive thing. She's doing things that she there's some changes in her life going on that are good, and she's excited about it. But Good. She's she hangs out with me when she has to. But right Mhmm. Today, for example,
[00:53:52] Unknown:
I don't think she's here. Tell her that her absence is noticeable.
[00:53:57] Unknown:
Oh, we will. Oh, I will. No. Oh, here's the name of that woman. I just looked her up while you're asking, Roger. Gail Ripplinger. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've heard that. You know, last time we were on, I said, I don't even wanna say anything about this book. Somebody might go out and read it. You know? It's it is. I'll tell you. It she writes it, and she's convincing. You know? She knows how to use language. She's an English professor from Ohio State, but she's convincing, but she's wrong. And she knows she acts like she knows, and she done all the study. She knows absolutely nothing about manuscripts except some major points about majority text versus minority text. And that only has to do with the New Testament, not the Old Testament. But, yeah, that's Gale. I and I've talked to her, once, and I will never do it again. Well, Roger, we've been on I don't know how you've been on for for near an hour for for near an hour.
[00:54:53] Unknown:
Well, I I would I'd like to open up the phone phone line to see if anybody's got a Roger? First thing we gotta do is find out he's got a mic open that's bringing this interference on. I hear you, Robbie. Thank you for correcting that. Yes, Robbie.
[00:55:11] Unknown:
Yes. I was doing a search at the same time as Brent, and I got a different, hold on. Let me read it to you. Oh, let's see. That's the wrong one. Let's see here.
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Is it about Gail? I'll
[00:55:29] Unknown:
yes. She it says that she was the one she didn't promote new age versions. She, said that the new age versions were part of a conspiracy
[00:55:43] Unknown:
against the new the King James. So I'm not sure that's the same person, Brad. No. That's just no. She's a she's a King James or maybe I didn't make that clear. No. She and she attacks all their bible versions viciously as though they're from the devil. Yeah. Some of them prob by the way, some of them are. I know we I I have ideas ones I think are, but, no. Obviously, not all of them. Yeah. She's a king jammer all the way. Whether or not she believes it, I don't know. But she made a lot of money with that book promoting lies about things, about the Bible, the manuscript. You know, the question comes up, and I wrestled with it, and I thought I ought to come up with an answer. What is the Bible? What is it? If it's not the King James version, they say the Bible is the King James version. The the pope of Rome says the Bible is the Latin Vulgate. Period.
Well, we should answer that question and be clear about it. What is the Bible? And for what it's worth, I'll give you my answer. And I I say I've come at this from many decades of intensely having my my mind in it and my attention drawn toward translation, which I that's what I've been doing since the early nineteen eighties. And, my conclusion is taking in consideration all the world and all of the trouble and all of the the hatred of the Bible. The Bible is the best evidence you have. Listen to me. The Bible is the best evidence you have of what God said.
Now that doesn't answer all questions. But for me, knowing in my mind, what I understand about the words I've used there, I believe that's the best definition of the Bible you can get. I've talked to men that have been in gulags for years, and all they had was one page out of a Russian Bible. What's the Bible to them? At that time in their lives, it was that one page that they had hidden and passed around and copied. That was their Bible, and that was the best evidence they had at that point in their lives of what God said. And is the King James version the best evidence of what God said? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
As much as I like it, I grew up with it. That's beautiful as it is. It was a government project, printed at government expense, promoted at government expense for about fifty years before it finally overcame the Geneva Bible. And it was re translated for government purposes to promote, the law of the city and the divine right of kings of especially King James the first. He was a brutal. Stewart king, as all those Stewart king, Charles the first, Charles the second, King Henry the eighth, Bloody Mary, they were all tyrannical.
They said government ought to be by the will of one person. That's not our common law tradition, and that caused, of course, a terrible war. 80,000 men died in England over that. America exists because of fighting over that question, the King James Bible. The people that came to America, the pilgrims, that was a sect of Puritans. And the rest of the Puritan migration after 1830, all those folk came here. None of them carried the King James Bible. It was available. They didn't carry it because they wouldn't carry it. They hated it. They knew what it was what it was for. Those are the ones that started our country. So these King Chambers, they but you tell them that they've got every answer in the book. It's just odd, utterly odd. It's a gover I say this. It's a government project. And I don't say this as a joke. If the government's saying something, even if he's a right headed guy, he's in a battle. If the government is saying something, they're saying it with intent to mislead, if not out lie outright lie. But if you outright lie, you're attempting to mislead. So just make it simple. Whenever government says anything, King James Bible, for example, that's the government speaking.
They're doing it with intent to mislead. There's no question about it. They're promoting their own power or their own point of view. And it's a war and the truth is not in that world of politics anywhere. And once you understand that, then you can deal with politics. I have my favorite men, the ones I want in office. But I know that even the men that I agree with, when they open their mouths, they're misleading, tempting to mislead, oftentimes by lying. That's the rule of warfare, friends. That's the way it works. Once you get out that, you'll stop complaining about that and move on to something more important. And there are more important things in government. Government's important. Yes. But to to waste all your time complaining and moaning about these guys are lying. Like, duh. We say we used to say, of course, they are. This is warfare.
Now that you know that, let's move on to see what we can do. That's that's, crucial to understand. But let me do this, Roger, if I may.
[01:00:38] Unknown:
Hey. +1 059. Can I say this Brent Brent Allen Winters? Yeah. Let's go ahead and get your, your identifying stuff out of the way. And I don't think we've got any folks we need to say goodbye to today necessarily. So you got an open, mic there, my friend. Thank you. Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
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Alright. Oh, I had I had something I wanna tell you. Last Sunday, you know, I'm a I I really like college football, particularly the Southeastern Conference. I've just been raised in it. You know? Yeah. You southern boys. You just Something I've always paid attention to and, I still do, and they haven't corrupted it yet. You don't see any woke stuff in there or any of that. It hadn't been, infringed upon by our enemies. Anyway, there's a great series that, that was produced a couple years ago. It's called, Saturdays in the South, and it's about the history of Southeastern Conference. I've given little anecdotes that I I saw out of it before, but this one, they've added a couple of the later years up to about 2020.
And, so I was just sitting last Sunday, and that was on. And and, they were interviewing Nick Saban. I assume you know Nick Saban is. He's, I think, hands down the finest college football coach in the history of the game. Okay? Uh-huh. And he was talking about, he said, you know, I've been coaching a long time. And he said for the first, twenty years, I was always outcome oriented. Uh-huh. And then I started realizing that the outcome was dependent upon the process, and I started concentrating on how the process works and not the outcome. And I said, boy, I can't wait to tell Brent that.
[01:05:58] Unknown:
No. That is that is telling, Roger. And, you know, the the, mill it's it's it's the law of the city is marsh it's a martial kind of law, admiralty, martial law, and then its forms. And, of course, in martial law, the only thing that matters is the outcome. That's it. Take that hill. I don't care how you take that hill. Take that hill or your career is ruined. You know? That that's the way that's the way battle works in military life. And that's our that is the law of the city at its foundation. And by the matter of fact, when it in its modern form, which is Rome, and the city of Rome was founded in July by the two brothers, Romulus and Remus. It was organized around the militia of about 300 families and extended families that were there, and it was all about how to govern the militiamen, the men.
The men that were ready to fight in case they needed to. It's all martial law, still is. You're talking about Ole Miss. Oh, I know you're talking about the South, and I got to think about Ole Miss. That's a university in Mississippi, and I think the other university in Mississippi is University of Mississippi. Well, it depends
[01:07:07] Unknown:
it depends on who you ask. There's such a bitter rivalry there. Yeah. Yeah. Mississippi state coach Dan Mullins used to say that school up north. He never would say Ole Miss. Well, then, I and when I was young, Jerry Clower got real popular back there. Of course. Of course. Jerry
[01:07:25] Unknown:
Jerry was from Mississippi, and he went young kid. Him and his brother, Marcel, went to the navy, and they fought in the South Pacific. And then they came home, and he'd never play he wanted to play football all his life, he said. And he'd hear football on the radio. You know, they had a battery radio, and he'd listen to it. But he didn't know how to play football, but he's a pretty big guy. So when he got back, he did determine I'm a play football. So he goes to ends up going to Mississippi State and playing football. He was big enough, and they he learned how to how to do it and really got into it. Of course, then the rest of his life, he liked to follow the the game.
And so he'd go to the Mississippi State games. He said, against Ole Miss. That was a big rivalry. It's on Thanksgiving.
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It's one of the big rivalries in the South. It's called the Egg Bowl.
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The Egg Bowl. Okay. So he says he's way up the top of the stadium up in the back, you know, that top bleacher on that side of the we're at Mississippi State, and he standing by a fella or sitting by a fella there, and the game was getting ready to start. And all of a sudden, they heard a lot of sirens and stuff behind the stadium, behind them where they were sitting. And he turned around, he saw a long funeral procession coming down the road right beside the stadium. And this guy beside him stands up and takes his hat off and puts it over his heart. And, because they were waiting for the game to start, and Jerry said he just sat there, and this fella sat down.
He said, boy, you must be a pretty sensitive fellow. And and, he said, well, no. It isn't that. He said, it's the least I could do. I was married to her for over forty years. That's how that's how important this game is.
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That's a good one. That's a real good one, Brad.
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Well, maybe it's true. You know, if it's really true, and it could be. I don't know. Even
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no matter what. You know? Some of the loyalties to those schools down there and people's, lifeline a a lifelong attachment to them are well, their stories are their own, really.
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Uh-huh. We had a guy at home speaking of football, and I don't know why this fellow hasn't been talked about, but his name was Chuck Chuck Borah. And he's from a little coal mining town called Ramsey. And, he ended up playing college ball where Dick Butkus played college ball. And I think right before let's see. Well, maybe right right about the same time. You know, Butkus was from Chicago, but he played, college ball at the U of I.
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Yeah. Indiana or Illinois. One of them. Right? Yeah. It was it was Illinois.
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Champ and Chuck Bora went he was he played football in high school, and he was recruit recruited to the University of Illinois. And, Chuck Borra, when he was in high school in this little coal mining town, he was all all state, and he never wore a helmet. All the time he was in high school. One of those kind of guys, you know, just crazy. And Right. So he goes to UI. Of course, U of I never won a game in football or basketball. They did. And, you know, when Butkus was there, it was like the Chicago Bears. You know, the Chicago Bears never won a game either, but people he he made, the the football a lot of money because Dick Butkus, even though his team never won, he was fun to watch. Yep.
Nothing like him. You know? He was the he was the Pete Maravich of, football. Uh-huh. By the way, you know, Pete, after we talked the other day, you and I last week talked about Pete. Right. Because Pete, you'd said you you, well, you knew him in college. You know? Well, I knew him a little bit. We weren't bosom buddies, but I met him several times and was around him a bit. Yep. Well, I went and listened to him. You know, he died at age 41 or two or three long. Very young. Very young. Yeah. And, I'll he I listened. There's lots on YouTube of him talking, and I listened to him talk. He was at, what was right near Glenn Campbell's house in Phoenix in later years in the eighties. Uh-huh. About the time I was in Arizona, and we were in we were working in the mining business.
I remember those times when, Glenn Campbell got arrested for drunk driving. I remember when I was out out there. But right after that, Glenn Campbell had a real change of heart. He got to know Pete, and Pete and him became friends. And Well, they're both alcoholics. Yeah. That's what Pete said. And Pete got up and gave his testimony of his Christian conversion. And I listened to it closely, and he spoke for he's a good talker, by the way, Roger. The guy could just he can communicate. Mhmm. And I found two or three of those, him talking about. And what he was saying essentially, and which I had mentioned before, he was saying, I I I wanted here's what his dad told him. His dad was a a basketball coach. Pres Presmerovich was his name. Yeah. He wasn't famous, but he wanted he really trained his boy to play basketball from the time he was little. And he said, Pete, you can make a million dollars.
You can be a world champion. And one other thing, you can be the greatest basketball player in the world, and that's what he had in his head since he was a kid. But by the time he was in his late thirties, he was tired of it. He did all those things. Yes. And he said, now I have trophies up in my attic in my house, and nobody sees them. And the birds, they got bird manure on them or dust. You know? I don't care. You know? Nobody else does either. And he said, I I did all those things, and I had my ladder leaning. I was climbing the ladder of success. I got to the top, and I found out my ladder was leaning against the wrong building. Yep. He didn't say it just exactly that way, but pretty close. Yeah.
But, yeah, I was, had never heard him tell those stories that he told about his alcoholism and how, he got in trouble and, you know, just awful stuff happened. But, he was, quite a personality. But Could you
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just for the audience that may not know about this guy, and a lot of people in this age don't have no idea who he was. He was at, is they first of all, LSU hired his father as the coach to get him as a player. Yeah. Not that Press wasn't a good coach. That's just the way it came. And so, in those days, in the sixties, the freshmen did not play the varsity team, and there was no three point shot. And those were his days. And he's still, to this day, owns the all time scoring record of NCAA basketball. That's how talented that guy was. I mean, unbelievable things that he could do with the basketball. Would they if he was gonna take the family to the movie Yeah. They'd let the the back door down on the station wagon, and Pete would dribble the basketball in the street all the way to and back from the movie theater. Oh, yeah.
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That kind of stuff. Yeah. He he talked about his dad and trained him. Well and I got off on Pete, and I was wanting to talk about Chuck Borah. But Chuck, he played at, U of I, and I and I tell this on the on the testimony of a lawyer whose great grandfather this is funny how things are connect. Whose great grandfather was Abraham Lincoln's secretary of war. Who?
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Donnie?
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Stanton. Stalin. Stan. They called him. Yeah. And this guy's name was was, Stanton named after his Lewis. Yeah. Lewis Stanton named after his grandfather or his great grandfather. And he was a lawyer there where I practice law, and we have and I did a whole lot of stuff together, and he was a he but he wasn't a Democrat. You know, Louis Stanton was a Democrat and a brutal man. But, he was this guy was a hardcore Republican, and his grandfather on the other side, not even his grandfather, his mother's father was assistant secretary of the navy under, who was it? Harding? I think it was Harding.
Yeah. And, so he was politically connected, but he he was just small town lawyer, and I knew him. He's passed away now. But he he wanted to be he was, Allstate football player when he was in college. He was, he was a linebacker like Dick Buckas in Heineken. And, he wanted so much to play at the University of Illinois. He told me this. But he he wasn't big enough. Even though he was tough, he wasn't big enough. So he liked the ball so much. He was in ROTC at the U of I, and he he traveled with the team back then, no computers and stuff, so he had a clipboard. Well, they call it keeping stats. You know?
And, Chuck Borra was on the team, and, they went up to University of Wisconsin for the University of Wisconsin. University University of Wisconsin's homecoming. And there was a player at University of Wisconsin, and his name was Dimitri. He was a an is a Italian immigrant family, and he was the number one running back in America, college ball at that time. He was tough, and he went pro then. Dimitri did, of course. But he said they got down to the goal line, and, Wisconsin had the ball, and it was zero to zero. And there was something like three seconds on the clock. And they knew they're gonna give the ball to Dimitri and run him up the middle. That's what you do when you're on the goal line. Don't try to make that score.
And he said Chuck Borra was it couldn't have been butkus was there at the same time because Borra, I think, was middle linebacker. That's what he told. Sorry. And, pandemonium, he said zero to zero, and they dropped the flag on the play. And it got right down to zero seconds on the clock and one play one play left for Wisconsin to break the zero zero tie. And every they did it three times. There was flags on the play. People jumping the gun. Everybody was so nervous, and Bora was standing. He had a helmet on. They wouldn't let him play in college without a helmet. Everything got quiet in the stadium, and he started screaming, send Dimitri to me.
Send Dimitri to me. And two times, before I caught him right coming up the middle and slammed him backwards and threw him back in the back, you know, back across the line. He never made a touchdown. Didn't wanna sit. Mhmm. Somebody's talking. Is there
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What? The plea the conversation going on in the background? I know it's a female voice. Could you please mute, please? It's not like Bruce.
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It's not like I'm saying anything profound or important. I'm just telling a story. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's still distracting. Yeah. Well, anyway,
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Can you mute him, Paul?
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I did.
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Oh, you did. Okay. Go ahead. Brent. Who who did he meet? Who did Paul meet there? The guy that was causing that ambient noise there.
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Oh, I thought he met Dick Buckus or something. No.
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No. I couldn't mute Dick Buckus. He would wind up muting me if I tried. That's right.
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Well, you grew up in Chicago, didn't you? No. No. No. You did not. Oh, I Twin Cities. There.
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Twin Cities. I drove through Chicago a lot driving a truck going from the Twin Cities to Okay. Jersey.
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Oh, wow. Place that I'm going to go. Oh, that's a crowd. Now you couldn't get through there driving, I imagine. It's
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between two and four in the morning.
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No. Well, yeah, that'd help a little. Yep. Well, Roger, you'd mentioned open up to Mike's. I Well, I also wanted to mention another guy as long as we're on this, because he was at Georgia when I was living in Atlanta. I was a defensive coach over there for Vince Dooley, and his name was Erk Russell. Do you you ever hear him? No. He was a bald headed guy. He's a defensive, line coach, and he would get out there before the games with no helmet, and he butt heads with the players with helmets. His his head would be, like, bleeding and stuff. And you you still see if you ever see a University of Georgia game, you'll see somebody with their head bald, and they've got the bulldog painted on their head. That's for old Erick Russell. He's one of a kind.
Anyway, go ahead. We can get never did up either. Do what now, Rick?
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He never got the head coaching job that he had to go to Georgia Southern. That's right. He ended up down Georgia Southern.
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Very true. They got brought Mark Rich in, I think, instead of VD. Vince Dooley was there the whole time I was mostly in early in Georgia, a real legend in his own right. Anyway, that's about three weeks away. We're gonna get that season started again. So, anyway, I know if you don't like sports, sorry, but it's back one of my lifelines back to The States. And like I said, one of the reasons is tradition and because the woke crap hasn't gotten didn't get to any of the college game that I could see. Oh, okay. Roger? Yes. Rick.
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N I l is gonna ruin college football.
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Well, I guarantee you that's right. You know what that is, Brent? What is it? Name, image, and likeness. They're letting players be paid, basically, and the college is now farm farm schools for the you know, it always has been, of course, but even more so now pronounced. And some of the players that make huge money can can divvy up with the team if they want or however they wanna handle it. But the quarterback for the University of Georgia last year, and I can't remember his name right off my bat, but he was driving, like a Lamborghini around a campus, you know, something like that. Maserati.
Well, these guys are professional athletes. I mean, they say They are. It's just the farm league is all it is, and now it's being recognized. Rick, what do you think about the portal? Do you think the port I think the portal is added to the game. But NIL is a distraction, and it's these changes is the reason Nick Saban retired. He says it's not the same game I've grown up in. You know?
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Ask the University of Tennessee about the and what they think about it.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway
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Just to add to it for fun, and since I am privileged to be able to speak here and have a platform pretty much what much I want, I wanna say something about my convictions about what my father called organized sports. My father didn't go to high school, so he didn't participate in such things. He did play baseball because everybody played baseball even Uh-huh. His dad and his granddad played baseball. You know? And then they used to run that's where they used to go to the local club and try to find professional baseball players. They didn't go to the go to the, colleges and universities in those days.
But, dad, would have nothing to do with organized sports. Nothing. And he told me all my life, and I agree with him now. Just a darn fool would spend his time chasing the ball around the pasture field. It's a waste of your life. It's a waste of your time. And as I look around now, even though I talk about sports and I've I've played you know, I was on the track team and the basketball. I did all those things because I wanted to so bad because it was popular. I see that it is a waste of a man's time, and I'd I'd look at it from the biblical point of view. The fans are waste their time too and their money to have that preoccupation with all that I just call it baloney. It's it's the devil's, distraction. That's the way I look at it now because it distracts us away from what's really important in life, and it's childish, utterly childish.
Now there are real things in life. Like, Tom Jefferson said, if you wanna really do something important with your life, do not be preoccupied with games that have to do with balls, b a l l s. Right. No. We'd say today football, basketball, baseball. And he said this, get yourself a gun and carry it and become proficient with it because that's useful and that's real, and that does make a difference. And the sports will degenerate into perversion, and they have now, clearly. Dad used to say, you bring any one of those sportsmen from the high school, and then we had little town, little high school. But there were those men in town. They were always promoting their children on the little league team, promoting their children on the basketball team and the football team. Then they started the athletic boosters Club, and they were always there trying to get their children to play on the first team, which they did.
And a lot of them weren't that good, frankly, but they were given a lot of money, and it became just a lot of politics in a little tiny town. This has been over 50 ago. And, dad wouldn't have anything to do with it. And I wanted to play baseball, and I came home one time. There was no little league in this little town where I live, but it when I was in a little boy in school, little league came around and tried to organize. I don't know who it was, and they gave cards to us children in school, us boys, and said, take this card home and have your mother, father sign it, and you can join little league.
And, of course, when we were going to school, Roger, us boys, everybody just died. We all died to have the best ball glove. And when time came to run outside, we'd run outside and play baseball or softball baseball. And we played softball too, but it was a big deal to us. Well, they came around with the Little League stuff, and I took the card home. I told dad. He said, you're not no. You're not joining Little League. That ain't gonna happen. I said, but I all my friends are, and they were, my cousins and my friends. And he said, no. Because what they'll teach you how to do is cheat. That's what they'll teach you. They'll teach you how to be overly aggressive, how to dominate other boys that can't play as well as you because they're not naturally endowed and able to. And he said, I'm not gonna have you be a part of it.
And, not only that, he said, and to add to that, they're gonna play on Sunday nights, and we go to church on Sunday nights. And that was true too. And so I didn't play. Well, my neighbor down there, Ronnie Fane, his dad didn't let him go play for the same reason. And, as it turned out, I'd I'd be to town sometimes on a Saturday, and they've then they put up a bold diamond at the little park in town. And I watched I watched the boys. Boys I knew, my relatives and friends, I watched them cheat. I watched their fathers encourage them to cheat, and then they would tell me how the things their fathers told them how to do it. And I had, we had a couple of twin brothers come to my dad. They were they raised Angus cattle and farmed quite a bit of land, and their names were well, I won't say it here. It's an interesting bunch. I've known them all my life. It's kind of funny. They they were two twin boys that married two twin girls. That's how it happened.
And that means, of course, genetically, I learned this later in school that all of their children were genetically as close as just regular brothers and sisters. And there was a whole pass along on both sides. Well, they were always promoting. They were the same age as dad, and they were always promoting promoting, a little league and sports and had their children in it. And and they said to my dad and my dad came and told me this. He said, well, those brothers told me. Because he was a farmer too, and he knew him. He said they said that, if I don't put you in sports, you're not gonna learn to be aggressive enough in life. And he said, I'm I know that's not true. That's just a lie. And he said, you watch their children.
They'll be, and I I use a word here that is in the Bible, in the King James Bible. It wasn't a bad word when it was used, but it sounds that way now. But I wanna say what my dad said. He said, you watch them. They'll all be piss outs. Piss outs. And I watched them, and they were. They I mean, we're older now, and it's not that I didn't like some of them, but they just all kinda fizzled out to nothing. And they spent their life doing that kind of stuff, and even they were gonna make those boys aggressive and tough and run over other people, and that's what happened. And that doesn't work. It just flat didn't work. Well, that's what sports does. I get it. I love to watch Larry Bird play basketball. I get it. But it is a a preoccupation that gains a man nothing. That's my studied opinion. Matter of fact, it's a distraction, and what's really important and got to that point now in our culture where sports, overcome us. And we we will do anything. A lot of people, they'll do anything to know who plays who and who wins. And I'm telling you, I don't give two hoots to holler. These fellows playing sports don't care about me, and they aren't asking how my day went today. And I'm not interested in asking how theirs went because they're a distraction to what's important in my country, and they need to go do something else worthwhile. That's the way I look at it all.
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Well, there certainly are bread and circus aspects to it.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. And there there's positive things on the other side. You know, it gave people an opportunity they may never have had. A lot of those things does build character of sorts. And, it just, you know, yin and yang. Right?
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Yeah. Well, I I just say my piece because I figured people wanna I wonder what Brent thinks about this. It might make some people mad. It might disagree, but we're having enjoyment here saying what's on our minds, Roger. So Well, I can tell you one thing with all the confusion in the world, it's a darn a darn good escape for a little while.
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Uh-huh.
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Hey, Grant? Brock. Gotcha. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get why. You know? Drink is a good escape too, I suppose. But Yeah. But that's detrimental. You know? All you can end up, with one of those sporting events, you might get hoarse or you might get in a fight next to the guy on the side of you. Anyway, we got I think Rick was the one trying to say something, and I believe Paul.
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Rick? No. I was just trying to get Rick in here.
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Okay. Thanks, Paul. I I was wondering I bet Brent knows the story of George Patton's participation in the Olympics.
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Yes. I do. I do. That was very early. Well, I've read about it. That's all I can say. I only know about things like that, what I read. But he was quite the horseman, I understand. He was from an ultra wealthy family in California. His, grandmother one of his grandmother was an, early one of the early settlers. She was Spanish. She was Spanish. Matter of fact, Mexican Spanish, one of his grandmothers, and they had a lot of land before the Americans, before well, that was still part of Mexico, and then it became California. But he, he never took a paycheck while he was in the army, by the way. He never cashed a paycheck. Right.
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And he paid for everything in his tank division to be all the tanks to be refurbished
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and all that stuff, I believe. When Roosevelt took the army down and caused World War two by doing it, by the way, he's he you know, the the fault of World War two ought to be laid at his feet because the army what little army was left were drilling with broomsticks. They didn't even have rifles. That's not an exaggeration. And he was an of an armored unit, the commander, a West Point graduate, and he because he had a lot of money, the the his armored unit wouldn't have kept going if he hadn't paid for the parts to keep the machinery up. He's he paid for it personally. And he took every check he got from the US army and, gave it over to Army Relief, which is the relief organization, which still exists, I think, for poor and needy army families that were a lower rank and didn't have any money. I think Trump is do is he doing that in his second term? I know he did it in his first term.
I don't know, Roger. I wouldn't doubt it. I know that well, but George Patton, he and I'm I get off. Roger and I can get off real quick. Oh, boy. Can you But George Patton George Patton was a he prided himself in being a really good horseman and a really good shooter is what I remember. Is that what you read about it? And that was about 1912 or nineteen fourteen Olympic or 1912 or something. You tell us what you know.
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Well, I don't remember the year, but he participated in I think it's the Decathlon. It's five sports. And he placed very, very well, and he just missed a gold medal in shooting because of the way they scored it. He they claimed he missed the the target once, and he believed he put a bullet through a a same hole, a previous hole. Oh. And all the other all the other participants used 20 twos. He did it with a 38.
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Oh. I did. Well, I don't yeah. The the pen well, you said five events. That'd be the pentathlon and the the 10 That's right. Yeah. I knew what's the pentathlon. Yeah. Decathlon. And I don't know which one he did, but I'd heard that, but I don't know that much about it. I do know he participated. And but George here's another boy. George got to drinking too. See? He had he had some money that when he go to an a young officer out of West Point, he'd go to they'd assign him to a new location. He'd take his horses with him, and he'd wanna stable them. You know?
And, he'd wanna his horses to go in. Well, he got mad because, sometimes he'd go to a new location, and they some other officer that had money, they'd have horses, and they'd have them stabled, and he wouldn't have any place to put his. Sometimes he would take a a less desirable place to live, housing, so he could have what he needed for his horses. It was yeah. The horses were a big deal to him, and he was, his dad oh, by the way, I believe I found this out because I did a funeral service at a place called San Marino, and some of you listened to where San Marino is. It's just right near Pasadena and over in that area. And for those of you that maybe don't have the geography in your heads, if you remember the Beach Boys, they sang a a song called, Little Old Lady from Pasadena.
Right. It was about a little old lady that was driving down Colorado Boulevard. Well, Colorado Boulevard runs east and west, and it connects all those towns from Fontana over towards San Bernardino right along the base of the the mountains there. Not the San Bernardino. They're at the other end, but along the mountains. And you come, there's Fontana and other places, but right and near south and near, Pasadena, then Glendale and Burbank and then the San Fernando Valley through the pass there, which is just North of Hollywood. Well, it's right on not right near Colorado Boulevard, which which is the it used to be the main road. It's still a main road, but the interstate now goes through there, but that was from one end of that area to the other. And, San Marino's there. And his family, that's one of the it was one of the most wealthiest communities.
The wealthiest community is in that part of the world. It isn't now, and it used to be white, of course, and it isn't anymore. But, there's a large cemetery there, and that's where George Patton's family is buried. And I didn't know it, but I did a graveside service there three, four years ago. And as I was driving out, there was a large statue of George there. And I had it in my head. I said, well, this must be where George his family's here. He's buried here, but he isn't. I think he's still buried in Europe is what I've read where he died after the war.
But,
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it is Some people would say where he was murdered. Go ahead.
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Yeah. Where he was well, he died, but, yeah, murdered. It seems that's pretty obvious. It probably was. But George had so much money. See, if you got a lot of money, you get to thinking you're pretty smart, and you just say whatever you want because nobody can hurt you. See? And that's what he did when he was an army officer, and and Eisenhower was just the opposite. Eisenhower played politics the whole time after he got out of West Point. He just kept doing whatever he had to do to advance his career. He was that kind of a personality. That's why he fit well. He was able to run for president.
But George Patton wasn't in that world, and he didn't care. He said whatever he wanted. Here's the trouble with Georgie, though. See, Georgie, as they called him, affectionately, his family and friends, Georgie was, he wanted to be a great soldier like the Greek soldiers and all that stuff, but he he didn't have the he didn't have the persona for it. He didn't look or act that. He looked he looked that way a little bit, but his voice was real high and squeaky. And, the people that knew him when he got to Europe during the war, they said he'd stand in front of a mirror. They could see him standing in front of a mirror when the door of his room is open, practicing his war voice.
So when he would speak to the troops, he tried to lower his voice and make it more forceful. And then he also get in front of a mirror, and he'd practice putting on certain expressions. So he would communicate to his troops that he wasn't messing around, and he wanted them to go hard and fast. He knew that communication was important, and his personality as it came across would be what would dictate the attitude of the thousands of men he commanded. And that's true, of course. But he had this high squeaky voice. And so what he did and we all do this to varying degrees that I'm older now. I understand it better about myself and others. We all, as men, we try to compensate and be more manly because we feel like we're not as manly in one area. Well, he had this high squeaky voice, so what Georgie did when he'd make a speech, he'd he'd cuss like a drunken sailor.
And it was inappropriate what he said, what he'd do. I mean, I've been around men that do that. Men do that. They get into doing that thinking that it it's it's a masculine thing. Well, it kinda is, but it's just unnecessary. As they get older, I understand that more. Well, that's what George did. You know? He I'm a lot older than he was at this point when he died, and I look looking back on it, and I say, well, I I see how that works. He had a lot of money. He wanted to come across a certain way. He wasn't stupid. Matter of fact, he was But but neither was Eisenhower stupid.
People in general aren't stupid. It's just it depends upon what you choose to act upon. And Eisenhower choose chose to run-in his career, being sensitive to politics and not saying the wrong thing and and calculating his career to move forward. And he got moved forward, and Georgie didn't in the same way. But was Georgie necessary? Absolutely. What what the war things came out better because of George Patton.
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And, we're glad for him and thank you for that. To listen to him, they'd probably come out better still.
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Well, Eisenhower did listen to him, but he was taking orders from from Roosevelt. See that. That's why Roosevelt put him in place. He knew he'd do what he told him. See? Or Patton would have done probably wouldn't have done what he told him. So he didn't want him there. Probably not. And then Patton got fired because he'd always saying things that were well, they weren't politic. You know? You know what I mean. Yep. And, yeah. No. They weren't kosher, I think, is what you're trying to say. No. Uh-uh.
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But we're thankful for it. Speaking of, do you know that Coke changed from corn syrup to cane because you can't make corn syrup kosher? Oh, really? So they changed it to cane sugar? Cane sugar? Just just within the last couple of months. Yep. And that's the reason. Just the last couple of months.
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Well, I can say, one more thing about Coca Cola. People drink more Coca Cola than they do beer, and the guys that run the beer trucks and deliver beer, would rather work for Coca Cola or Pepsi because they sell more of that. As much beer is sold, they'd they could better drive in those trucks. You know, the the Coke bottle the Coca Cola bottle that has that certain shape and curve to it that the other bottles don't have and certain design. That bottle was invented in Terre Haute, Indiana. And when you drive through Terre Haute down Wabash Avenue, there's a giant, it was a big mural on the side of the building as you're going east, approaching the river, about out on the spot where it was invented.
I don't know how I need to read up on that, but, little things happen all over the world like that and probably close to your home wherever you are like that Coke bottle deal that, here it connects you to
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worldwide fame, and you don't even know it. But It blows my mind how people consume that stuff down here. Coca Cola? I've I've not had a soft drink past my lips in four thirty five, forty years.
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I just don't drink them. Okay? I I quit it. I quit it. Yeah.
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And, that's when Tucker Carlson says he's one of the the best promoters of type two diabetes in the world. Yeah. Go ahead, please.
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Come on. I was in back of the coke pack here in Atlanta and, in the alley.
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And, this big tanker truck pulled up. By Georgia Tech by Georgia Tech, Rick?
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Yeah. And this big tanker truck pulled up, stopped. Driver got out. He got this long hose out. He went over in the pavement, opened up this valve, hooked that hose up, and started pumping. That thing is full of phosphor forecasted. You look on the label, coke label. Yep. Phosphoric and you see. That's it.
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Coke, the the the you'll find a can of coke in virtually every state trooper's trunk. You know why, Brent? Why? Because when they find a car on the side of the road, most of the time, predominantly, it's because of acid buildup on the battery terminal. And they open up that Coke bottle and pour it on there, and it just dissolves it.
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Well, I believe it. One time I was on an airplane and sitting in the back. I used to like sitting in the back and
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Safest place. Safest place.
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Well well, I'd say that too, but I was sitting back there and had a cup of coffee on the little table there. You know? Right. And all of a sudden, it got bumpy. And you know, it can get so bumpy, it throw you up in the air. Yes. And it threw threw my coffee cup up in the air, and it landed right in my lap. And I thought, oh, boy. And I had a nice pair of white pants on. I I wanted to look nice when I got there. You know? I can't remember who I was supposed to talk to. But I, waitress came or the waitress the stewardess came by. That was back when the stewardesses were mostly women. And, one of them came by, and I said, pardon me. Do you happen to have a can of of, seltzer water or something like that, you know, or a can of water? No. I said a can of water. That's right. I just I I can or a bottle of water. I was gonna try to real quick pour some water on it. Hope it'd dry out, you know, by the time I
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Yeah. And it wouldn't stain.
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Yeah. And she said, oh, I can do better than that. She comes back, pops the seltzer water, and just I'm sitting there, and I didn't expect it. She just took it and started pouring it on my crotch, Laughing too while she was doing it. Uh-huh. And I what are you doing? You know? Oh, and and I I couldn't do anything. She laughed and got done. And she said, when, when that it'll dry out, then she said that coffee stain will be gone. And it was. And I don't know whether it's the the quinine entered or what it was, but it got rid of that stain.
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Wow. There's a good tip for the audience.
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Yeah.
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Let me open up the phones here towards the we're in the last little quarter here. Find out if anybody's got any questions for mister Winters here. Because usually, we wait until now, and it takes us into a whole another hour after the show. So I wanted to start a little early today. Anybody in the audience got something for Brent or myself? Wow, Brent. We must be doing a good job or we drove everybody off. One of the two. Yeah. You know, and you never know, Roger. It was just that sports talk, football talk. We drove them away. What?
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There's somebody. What what did what did Patton say about what did Patton say about the Germans and Hitler versus the Jews?
[01:44:07] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Thank you. Let me tell you a little bit about that. Go ahead, Brent. You know anything on that? What did Patton say about Germans and Jews?
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Oh, yeah. There is a quote I've seen, and I I had I didn't follow-up on it to verify its authenticity. But he was if if the quote is true, he was saying we were at war with the wrong people, unfortunately.
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You said the Germans were the finest people in Europe.
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Well, shoot. I they're, they're highly they've developed their ability to engineer. No question about that. And, they have a habit of cleanliness, as a culture that traditionally was second to none. Being clean about everything, I'm talking physically clean about everything, drives used to drive those people. I mean, all those the Dutch too and the Belgians and all those people. Right. I knew a lady who has spent teenage years back, well, about 1970 in Belgium. She said those women would get out of the morning and line up, with brooms, and they'd sweep the whole street every morning in front of their house. Sounds like Argentina.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that's that's refreshing to hear. Mhmm. And if you didn't, in order to be accepted, this lady told me, by the women, you had to prove over a few years how clean you were. There was no other way they would accept you in their in their circles.
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One of the guys in Argentina said, see that lady sweeping down there? I said, yeah. He said, in about a week, she'll know everything there is to know about you.
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Oh, yeah. Well, women are women. You know? They gotta keep track of it. I knew this gal that ran a I knew a gal well, go ahead, Roger, and I'll I was gonna say to to Joan,
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the story about he had to go into some a synagogue, one time. And he could only stay in there a few minutes. He was right it's in a letter he wrote back to his wife, and he said I I had to leave or I was gonna throw up. And he was not real complimentary about those folks.
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And that could explain the reason why he was murdered to a degree degree. Yeah.
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Yeah. So anybody else got something for Brent or myself? G well, I got one that's worse. Alright. Now when we go into the after show, I'm gonna remind you that we called and nobody
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responded. So I got one that's I got what was worse. Well, I was gonna say something, Roger. I was gonna say something, but am I free to talk? Because I don't want anybody saying that I've I've jumped in. Yeah. Yes. It would be nice if you'd come in and say, hey, Roger,
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instead of just barging in. But, yes, Wahib, you can talk.
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Okay. What I was trying to explain yesterday, I left it in the description. What I was trying to explain, It it was it was, it was on topic because we were talking about Detroit. We were talking about Washington, DC and the government taking over Washington, DC. Anyhow, I left it the description what I was trying to explain about article one nine in the constitution, but I left it in the description so that, it would best explain the point I was trying to make about why, he would have to get rid of article one of the constitution, article one, dash nine. Thank you.
I, I I digress. What is the word? I whatever. That word is when you're finished.
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Over and out.
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Did he have a question, Roger? Think you know, it's just that I don't I don't know. No. He was Right. He was just clarifying what he said yesterday. Oh. I have something on, disgusting people. Uh-huh. I mean, of course, I'm a bachelor, so don't expect me to be the world's cleanest person. But, I did, I did work for a service master company, like, oh, forty years ago. And, one of the jobs we had was to, turn clean a Jewish surgeon's house. After they had moved all the furniture out, we got to clean what was left. Oh. And that was the most disgusting space I have ever been anywhere near.
So apparently, they have to be so clean and sanitary when they're going into surgery that when they get home, they just don't care or they were just that way to begin with. I don't know. But that was disgusting. That was horrible. The do those that that group of people, they don't really have a,
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a a a great deal of cleanliness in their tradition and culture, do they?
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Well, isn't that funny?
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Now false I never thought about that, Brent, till just now. Say it again, Roger. Say it again. Isn't it interesting they don't seem to have that culture of cleanliness in their culture?
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No. That is a great note, but all false religion is that way. You take these, I don't know, Hindus and, all those fellows who wear those turbans on their head. Yes. Yes. They do that. And then the idea is, I mean, my hair is dirty, so they put it up, put that on. And the Egyptians said hair is dirty, so it was fashionable in Egypt to shave every man to shave his body from the top of his head down to his toes every day. No. And then it's just more manifestation. They they were filthy, utterly filthy. History tells us that. And the Bible tells us that the Egyptians were utterly filthy and ridden with all sorts of diseases. How often in the Bible does it say that to the Israelites and you won't be if you do what I say, God says, you won't suffer the diseases that you suffered down in Egypt because you were worshiping the gods of Egypt and not fall you had a different gods. We had different set of instructions, a different law. Now you have the true God. You're supposed to follow my instructions. You'll be clean, and you won't die of these diseases and suffer with them all of your life.
Mhmm. But all false religion will, eventually come to filth on the inside. That's why Jesus Christ said, clean the inside of the cup first, and the outside will be clean. Your your your ugliness and and he was talking to the Pharisees. That's who he was always talking to. And by the way, the rest of the New Testament was talking to them too and about them. All the epistles focus upon doctrines of rabbinicism and refute them. But if if you follow false a false law, you're following a false god, a law giver. And if you're following a lost law false law giver, it will be nothing but chaos and filth. My grandma, I used to tell her cleanliness we'd she'd wanna argue about the Bible. We got to talking about is cleanliness next to godliness or is cleanliness godliness?
Well, we finally concluded that cleanliness is godliness. Yeah. In other words, if you're a Christian man or woman, God cleans up your inside first. And once that's clean, the outside will begin to follow. And Christian cultures, if you've ever been around them, maybe in America or like in Germany, used to be a Christian culture, those people are clean. That's a result of the religious point of view. It's not just we're gonna be clean. You say, well, they aren't all Christians. No. They aren't. But they live under a social pressure because of the culture that which men deemed worthy of cultivation.
Cleanliness is what they follow. And we can have that. If we have the right god, we will that means we have the right law from the right lawgiver, and our response to our lawgiver, we call religion. Religion. Religion's a good thing if it's the right religion. And the response to a demon law giver, you're gonna be a filthy SOB. Filthy of mind, filthy of soul, and then filthy of body, it'll happen. And so when you talk about how filthy things were, just thank God if you're a Christian man or woman that God has tried to do something different with you and sent get the word out to others. I've noticed we've had this influx of these hotel owners and these gas station owners from places over there where they have the false religion where they wear all the rags on their heads. Yes. Thinking they're being cleaner. These hotels and these motels and these gas stations are filthy.
They're filthy compared to what they used to be. When there was a Christian culture that dominated, I don't say that all men are Christians that run gas stations, but I remember when it was a big deal to have clean clean gas stations. Clean restaurants. Clean restaurants. Yeah. They clean restaurants. They it got to be pretty stiff competition. Well, why do they have that competition? It was a cultural thing because a lot of people really like that. I remember my mother would travel, my father, and, we'd stop at a restaurant when I was a kid. Had a 1953 green Chevy.
Anyway, dad and and mom or or both of them would walk up, and they'd look at the door of the restaurant. If the glass door the glass on the door of the restaurant wasn't clean of smudges, they we didn't go in. Yeah. It it just easy. Dad always said, I when I meet a man, I look at two things. I look at his shoes. I look at his hands. Now if he's out working like men do and he's got dirty hands, well, sure. You know? He dad was a farmer. He worked in manure and and dirt constantly, But he was big about, I mean, scrubbing. You know, scrubbing best he could, everything, all the time. Why? Well, it wasn't because he was such a great guy. It was Christian culture. He grew up in a world where that was held in high esteem. I don't I don't know that all Christian men or women live in that culture. If there are Christian men or women understand that, well, why do you do it? Well, you don't want your neighbors to think bad of you. Well, that's good motivation far as it goes.
But all that comes from our Christian culture. When you read the Bible and the Old Testament moving forward, it's all about the clean versus the unclean. And how do you those are Hebrew or translations of Hebrew words. What does that mean? What does clean mean? Clean means and the Old Testament Hebrew word, it just means that these are things that are safe, and you won't get the botch if you if you don't if you eat these things and not these things, and if you do this and not that. Simple commands. The Bible says don't eat buzzards. Well, that's easy enough. Why? Well, buzzards, eat dead meat and carry on. You wanna eat what they eat? Don't eat dogs and cats because they they do the same thing. And you have the they have diseases that are not host specific to the dog or the cat. There are some diseases that a man can get and it can kill him.
So we don't do that. But and the Bible says if you touch this dead carcass or if something hits you that's touched it, you can go read it all. Rinse in water. Make sure you get water on it, rinse it off your hand, and then wait a certain period of time That's before you go being around other people and touching things. Well, how do why do you do that? Because you don't want your children and your wife to get diseases and have to suffer or die. Mhmm. And it's simple. It's not a matter of sterility. The Bible is not a matter of sterility. You mentioned that surgeon a while ago. He understood sterile technique. The the the medical schools teach sterile technique. And the idea of sterile technique is to do all the things that you gotta do to have everything perfectly sterile, clean.
Well, that's not what the Bible's talking about. The Bible's talking about a lifestyle of just using your head and not doing stupid things. And he tells you what that is. And you if you do that, you'll have a decent life, But you're not reading it. Of course, you aren't. Does anybody read the Old Testament law? We're going through the Old Testament law now. We started in Genesis. We're in Exodus chapter 21 on Sundays, and we're just going through the law of God. What does he mean by what he says? What what do we do here? Well, we've got laws like that in our common law tradition, wrongful death, all this. We talk about it all, the bear gelt and the man price and and torts and what happens if somebody gets hurt, two men fighting, who's liable. It's all there. And by the way, our common law tradition is consonant with it consonant with it because our common law tradition is a Christian tradition.
Well, yeah, it's important, Roger. We look at that. But Yeah. I'm yeah. I'm we're about done. What's up, Paul?
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Well, I just wanted to take a minute and play devil's advocate. You know what I did there. I don't know if if somebody could, like, cut those people a break because they're in, like, a desert and, like, arid, parts of the world. And, even though cleanliness is next to godliness in a desert, cleanliness is next to impossible. So I I just wanted to play devil's advocate. Well, no. That See what I did there? That's
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very true. Because I was up in the high desert in Argentina, and it's very, very dry, and there's a lot of winds. So the one of the reasons those women are out there, Dustin, is because, man, the dust, if you don't stay on top, it'll take you over. And you can leave your house totally locked up for a week or ten days and come back and there's dust all over the place. It's,
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it's just part of the nature of the thing of that area and, those climate. All I'm not under. What what exactly are you driving out of? I'm I must be slow on the uptake.
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Well, devil's advocate. I was Uh-huh. Advocating for the small hat wears devil's advocate. I was
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They could use some devil's advocate there. Advocate. What
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are you advocating for?
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Well, I just I just trying to understand maybe why they they could, stop a truck just with a headwind or stop a truck by being upwind of it or whatever.
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Oh, well, I'm I I am still not I I wanna say something, but I don't know what to say because I'm not understanding what you're driving at.
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Go ahead. Well, I don't want to say, though, though. Well, it it was a point, but it was mostly stupid.
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Okay. Well, it was a point. I got a I got a good ending for you. You know? I heard now this is hearsay. Yeah. That if you marry one of those Indian gals, you know, with the dot on the forehead Yeah. On your wedding night, you get to scratch that off and you may win a seven eleven.
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Well, Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I I haven't heard that, Roger, and I have no if not one way or the other. Now I mean, do not hearsay.
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Now do not do not you in Petalisco out and and go to indianzonely.com. That is that is not your place.
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Mister Patel will be able to in the desert
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Go ahead. In the in the desert, you use water to survive, not necessarily the bait. You may not have enough left over to bait. I think the football is there. Too.
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Oh, okay. Thank you. But I know that's what, that's what Patton said. He walked in that synagogue with a stench. It was so bad it made him wanna vomit.
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Well, there's certainly I get it, Roger. And I there's certain places I wanna stay away from. As I got older, I stay away from them more, and that's centers of false religion because they are dangerous. I mean, not just various. I'm talking physically dangerous. That's been my observation. Yep. They may they may go cleanliness ritual, but they aren't practicing what we call cleanliness.
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No. Well, we come to the end of another one of our versions here. We'll put it in the can. And, as always, it's just a wonderful two hours with you, and whatever comes up, we talk about. So, and we appreciate your input and helping us tie all of this back to spirituality because it's a spiritual battle. Okay? So, love you and appreciate you, Brent, and we'll see you next week. Hopefully, nothing comes up between between now and then. Roger, thanks. Well, it's always a pleasure. I look forward to it. I know the audience does too.
So, we'll, clear out. Brynn will be over on Patriot Soapbox tomorrow opposite me here with whoever, and, you can check a video, on either one if you miss it, and we'll look for you next week or tomorrow. One of the two. So thanks. Okay. I guess that ends us there, Paul.
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Roger.
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Yes. Larry.
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Yeah. I was wondering if I could ask Brent a question.
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Why didn't you ask him a minute ago when I called for it? Were you not able to? No. I I'm working. So I know. Is he still there? Yeah. Of course, he's still here. Yeah. Brent Larry's got something for you. Hello, Larry.
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Hey. So, yesterday on the after show, we're talking about traffic. And, one of the, one of the students brought up this, what's known as the necessity defense or the law of necessity. And there's a lot of students on this platform that believe that you if if you get a driver's license that you are actually being forced to get it, and if you get a traffic citation, or end up in court, you can claim the necessity defense. And I totally disagree with that, and here's why. Because this is what a necessity defense is, and this is according to California law. It says, in criminal law, a necessity defense claims the actor's illegal conduct was the necessary lesser of two evils in a situation threatening specific harm to the actor or others.
According to California jury instructions, a successful necessity defense must prove and it it lists six elements, and all of these elements must be present in the situation. And if it's missing one, you know, it it it just you can't apply it. So the first one is the actor acted to prevent injury to the actor or someone else. The second one is the actor had no reasonable alternative. The third one, the actor did not create greater danger than the danger avoided. Fourth, the actor actually believed the illegal conduct was necessary to prevent the threatened harm or evil.
Fifth, a reasonable person would have also believed the illegal conduct was necessary in the circumstances. And then finally, the actor did not substantially contribute to the emergency. And then it goes on to say, most jurisdictions follow similar elements, but some also include a proportionality element between the harm threatened and the illegal conduct. Necessity defenses will not apply if the actor acted with a different intent than to avoid harm, had a reasonable alternative, had no influence on the threatened harm, or failed any of the other elements. A necessity defense is an affirmative defense and a justification defense.
So do you agree with me that this doesn't apply to being what what students would say being forced to get a driver's license?
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That doesn't apply. I agree. That didn't apply. No.
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Okay. And, also, do you agree that if you did get a traffic citation that you cannot apply the necessity defense to that situation?
[02:04:40] Unknown:
Well, there might be a situation where somebody jumps in a car without a driver's license. Take somebody to the excuse me. Take somebody to the hospital in an emergency. That might apply. It might apply there.
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Exactly. I've heard that example before. Okay. I just wanna see what you thought thought about it.
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Alright. Brent, are you are you eating lunch? I sometimes Brent will eat eat with us. We'll share bread with him. So well, and what? Are we at are we at the circus? Is that a Calliope or what? Okay. Well, Brent, go eat some lunch or something. I know you were hiccup and having a hard time. So, why don't you go? What what you well, I said, were you eating? It sounded like you were eating a little bit. Are you coughing or hiccuping?
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Yeah, I was.
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I got the hiccups. They couldn't stop, but I'm okay. All right. I thought somebody's going to have to come apply the Heimrich maneuver or something. Okay. Well, listen, buddy. I know you got things to do. We appreciate you, and, we'll look for you next week or in betwixt. If you don't have a church home, Sunday's, Patriot Soapbox is a good two hour time spent with mister Brent again. And I think you said you're into Exodus now on going through every book of the Bible.
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Yeah. Exodus chapter 21. Yeah. We're working our way through it. And you may not no matter what, I think it would be stimulating to your thinking if if you wanna listen. And all of those also well, come on Sunday morning, go to the website, commonlawyer.com, and, you can see how you can see how to click on the links and and listen.
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Navigate your way over there. Once you go get your throat cleared, and we'll look for you next week. Okay? Next week. Thank you, Audrey. Yeah. Appreciate you. Hold on. Mer, is that you?
[02:06:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know what else is going on, but yeah. Before you run away, hiccup cure. It's easier said than done, but hold your breath and swallow three times. You will be rid of the hiccups.
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Well, I'm gonna try that. Of course, if I could stop hiccuping long enough to do it, but here's the other thing. When I was a kid, they used to tell us, you got the hiccups, pour yourself a glass of water and drink it backwards. Have you heard that one?
[02:07:27] Unknown:
No. I haven't heard that. But this will work this definitely works because what's happened is you swallowed air. So what you wanna do is swallow without air three times.
[02:07:37] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, thanks, Murr. I'm okay now, though. Yeah. Boy, there's nothing more here than me. Just a gen just a general point for everyone.
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Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Murr.
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Alright. Okay. How do you swallow?
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See you next week. How do you what, Rick? Swallow what?
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How do you swallow backwards?
[02:08:05] Unknown:
Well, you instead of drinking out on the front side of the glass, you put your mouth on the backside as it faces you, and you lean forward and drink it that way.
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Sounds like a sure cure to me.
[02:08:19] Unknown:
Well, I didn't say it. Used to work for me. Alright.
[02:08:22] Unknown:
Thank you, Brent. As always, tell Francine hello we miss her, and we'll see you next week. Okay? Alright, pal. And, I'm Van Moosen too. Paul, we we need to set up some I know you got all that stuff that happened last night, but at some point, maybe over the weekend or later today or something, we can set this stupid magicJack up and play with it. Okay? Well, look. He's off messing with his stuff now. I'll I'll drop you an email. Well, we're all discombobulated here. Okay. Thanks, kids. Hope you got something out of the show today. We'll look for you tomorrow. Maybe Mark will be with us, if he's got his little situation cleaned up a little bit.
So have a wonderful day. Ciao.
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Catch Thank you, Alvin, as, we would and try to do on a regular basis, six days a week anyway. And here we go at another stab on the Friday edition with, a cohost, Brent Winters, who's not quite with us yet, but he'll drag in here in a minute. The, formalities are it's the Radio Ranch. I am Roger Salesman. Winners will join us. And, it is the August 8. About almost a third of the way through August already. Wow. It flies, man. It just flies. So, we have, some folks, that help us extend our reach, and we wanna give them proper recognition. Credit to do that is mister the wizard, Paul Beaner. Hey, Paul. Morning. You said you had a hell of a night last night?
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Yeah. I had a hell of a night. And to make a long story short, all about midnight, things quit working. And as it turns out, my new router that I had installed was doing a firmware upgrade. And my Internet connection, thank you, Spectrum. My Internet connection dropped in the middle of the router doing that firmware upgrade. So the upgrade failed. It corrupted the router. I had to reset it to factory defaults from the stored firmware, which meant I had to reupdate it again afterward, and then I had to reconfigure the entire network. And in the process of doing that, the network card in my personal workstation that I use to remote control everything, that network card refused to reconnect to the network. Studio c and e would connect, but I have no way of man maintaining those machines without this one.
So I'd I I worked on it till I worked on it till about 02:00 in the morning, and I said, screw this. I'm going to bed. Woke up at 05:00 and got working on it, and I just got everything working about an hour ago. Well, I'll tell you what, this,
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this technological age is just staying. Everything is cracked up to be all the time. That's when it
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works. But it used to be so simple.
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When it works, it used to be real. Yeah. It used to be relatively simple, but they've compiled and compiled and compiled stuff on top of it. And Mhmm. For folks like me, they left me a long time ago because I'm just not gonna keep sit here and keep up with all that stuff. So Yeah. Anyway, well, I'm glad you got it straightened out. And, again, the router, you had to go buy a router because the other one, you couldn't turn off five g on it, the one they supplied you. So you had to go buy your own. Yep. That's that's forcing. I I just heard this morning.
Next week, they're gonna start, this, age identification stuff on YouTube. Oh, really? Now it's yep. Well, supposedly, that's what they say. I heard Harrison talking about this morning. Anyway, go ahead and get our, our our our guys identified, and we can launch off into conversations and
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see what comes out. I can do that. And I apologize. I was supposed to make a long story short but failed to do so. We're on, radiosoapbox.com.com. Thanks to, Paul English, our, buddy from across the pond. Great Paul English live yesterday. I missed everything following the twenty minute mark, because I got phone calls and things like that. I I wasn't able to get back to it. But, and I'll I'll also talk more about archives and things like that after this. We are we're also on eurofolk radio dot com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on Global Voice Radio Network. That's my pet project I've been running for over a decade.
And, we're, connected to a free conference call so people can join us live on the show. The links to Euro Folk Global Voice and FCC are on our website, thematrixdogs.com. It is thematrixdogs.com. Now, little heads up about the archive for yesterday's show. It is not up. It's gonna take a little it's gonna take a little bit to to come up with it because in the midst of failures and things like that, Pod Home no longer has the recording for yesterday's show. So what I had to do is I had to pull three different files out of the cloud server that I back the shows up to locally.
Yep. And I have to take those three files, and I need to reassemble yesterday's program. Okay. All you had
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all you had to tell us here was it wasn't available yet. So you get into these explanations, and the majority of us don't know what the hell you're talking about. So Okay. Just, just yesterday, it'll be up when I can get it compiled or something. It'll be up when I can get to it. There you go. So k. See, nobody's confused now. So because all this tech stuff well, this tech stuff goes over 99% of people's heads, I think, anyway. I might be wrong. Anyway, we're, waiting for Brent. So just kinda come going over the territory. Did did you get everybody identified or not? Yes. I did.
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Okay. Good deal. Oh, and, yes. The Alan, there is proof of life from Alan, and, he, he he's still working on the case and, actual actually dodging dodging attacks as a result of that. They're they're not happy that he's bringing this, lawsuit against him. They're trying to take him out. So Okay.
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Prayers. Well, I understand. Lord, be careful, man. Jeez.
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Yeah.
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Wow. Yeah. That's what I like about our approach here. We don't have to file suits or go after anybody. All we gotta do is send one guy a little piece of paper and go on about your life. We gotta learn some stuff. Gotta get your brain synapses working again. But that's good and refreshing for most people. So, the most of the news, that I can ascertain by the way, if you're new and you're just, stumbling in here, it's a unusual day. We, have for many years now, over ten, probably closer to twelve. Been doing a Friday show with this, quite an, quite a, unusual American, Brent Winters. He's a national treasure in my eyes.
And, we Brent and I enjoyed I should go into how that happened maybe. Brent and I enjoyed the show so much. We'd probably do it even if y'all weren't here, but, generally, the audience really likes it. The way this all came about years ago, just FYI, on I used to be on one of my former ex wives was the micro effect. I refer to ex radio stations as ex wives. And, the micro effect, a little outfit out of Idaho. One guy is trying to do everything and, had done a lot of work, put a lot of money into it. I understand all that. In the early days, we didn't have all this additional technology we've got now that simplifies and makes things less expensive in many respects.
Anyway, his name was Joe, and, so I got on over there and had an afternoon slot and, also had Larry Beecraft on the network on Saturdays. And, Larry out of Huntsville, Alabama. Pretty well known in certain circles. He's a good tax attorney from the standpoint of it. He won some big cases. Franklin Sanders was one of them, if y'all know who Franklin is. Anyway, he was on the network on Saturdays, and he'd send out a little email with on whose guest he was gonna have on it. So I got that email because I was on that list, and it said I'm gonna have, Brent Winters on this week. He's an expert on the common law. Well, I knew we were moving over to the common law when we did our process, and yet there's very few people that know anything about it.
One of the ones that did was my teacher, John Benson, of course, and here's another guy, Brent Winters. I'm told from this email is a lot of expertise in that area. My intent originally was to get John and Brent on a show together to discuss the common law, which would have been a hell of a program. K? Two vast receptacles of information and knowledge. And, so, anyway, John was, towards the end of his life at that point. He wasn't doing well help wise, wise, and that just never came about. So I had Brent on my show, and and and there was instant chemistry there as there still is all these years later.
And, and on the Friday, at that point, I was on the afternoon. And so it was like the Friday of the weekend and try and implant some spirituality and connect these things, to that area of so people could mow on it over the weekend. And so, that's where we started, and here we are all these years later. It's been a heck of a Friday trip over. So one time Brent was up in Alaska up in the Matanuska Valley, right up there where, judge Anna lives, by the way, Paul. And, so he was connected to the Internet via laser, and I was down in Argentina at in Patagonia. We're in the upper reaches of Patagonia and, doing a radio show all over the world. It's really kind of freaky. Talk about technology. Right?
So, anyway, that's where we started. And, here it is all these years later and, love to have Brent on and bring him on, and I we never set anything up. I say never, maybe once or twice on some topic, but, otherwise, it's just open the mic and let things go as I prefer to do radio shows because there's genuality. There's and things are genuine when they're spontaneous. And when they're canned, people can sense that. You know? It's very difficult to lie on the radio, and that's funny to say, but you can lie on TV as they do all the time. But it's very difficult to lie on the radio, and that's evidenced by the fact that there's never been a successful liberal radio network or program ever that lasted over any kind of length of time. You just have a hard time lying on the radio.
And, so that's one of the reasons I I really love this medium. Radio has been part of my entire life since I was a little kid about I don't even remember how old I was, Paul, but I remember, speaking of technology, we were in New Mexico's in the late fifties, and the transistor had come out. You get those little transistor radios for the first time. And, I would lay, go to sleep with that little thing under my pillow and listen to all these far off stations. You know? XLRO, I think it was, and, whoop man jack, and, KOMO in Oklahoma City and all these long distance night bounce off the ionosphere station. So I've kind of been connected to RF radio frequency since I was a young kid.
And lo and behold, that's where I end up part of my career in directly or indirectly, either in radio or working with radio people. And, it's the theater of the mind. And on top of that, I taught it broadcasting for ten years or so at the Art Institute of Atlanta. And not how to do it, but the history of and how it works and how it developed and all that kind of stuff. It's just, it's a wonderful, it's a wonderful medium. I I say you can't lie on it. You know, remember HG Wells' War of the Worlds. Couple of people jumped out of buildings and stuff during that, so I guess you can lie on it.
But it's not very productive for you, and I like it because each one of you is hearing the same thing, but you're all interpreting slightly differently because it's in your mind. And so, radio has been a big part of my life. I really love it, and, I'm tickled to death to be here at the, you know, towards the end chapter whenever that comes. But, to be in it professionally here, you know, I guess you could say that, and to be delivering this totally unique message that we've got a monopoly on. And, it's just real thrilling for me. It's very satisfying. And, because of the message and the nature of it, it really, for me, gives my life great purpose.
So, anyway, that's everyone should live a life of purpose. It really fulfills you. K? So I see Brent isn't here yet. I'd we don't have a way to communicate anymore because Microsoft and the way they did, Skype. Usually, he and I will trade messages, but we haven't been doing that for well, since May. So, anyway, Paul, this little, application that they've got they're communicating on, is that a cell phone only application, or does it have a desktop
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app also? Do you know?
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No. They use found. And, no. There's there's a desktop app.
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Okay.
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On Okay.
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I can actually remote into your computer and put it on there. I think I might have already done that. No. Don't put don't put it on no. Don't put it on the little one. It just have to go on the big one. So anyway because if it's on a cell phone, I just don't don't wanna use it. I have such a hard time with cell phones. So we'll see. Anyway, you used to send a message to each other before the hey. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? And and, Skype screwed that up. And, so I don't know where Brent is. We haven't seen Franny in a couple of weeks. Right? Not that I know of. No. Yeah. Me neither. So that's kinda unusual. So thank you, Microsoft. You once again screwed everything up.
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Well, yeah, they replaced they replaced Skype with Teams, and they really screwed that up because Teams, you can't even, I mean, it doesn't tell you if you missed a call from someone like Skype used to. And you cannot record a voice snippet message. You know, you Skype, you could either type a message or you just click the little microphone and speak and, you know, hey, I just wanted to touch base with you, check and see how you're doing. Not a big deal. Give me a call if you have time, and then you're done. They screwed that up. They screwed that up too? It's not a function. It's it's not a feature in Teams. There's no way to do it. Well,
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anyway, all my phone numbers are on there and stuff. I I just get so aggravated at these people. Regard everybody's told me, said you won't like Teams.
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Yeah. Excuse me. Well, I'm not wild about it myself.
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Oh, well, we'll find another way. Somebody can come up with something or we'll get a work around regardless. That's the the situation. And I still haven't spoken or communicated with Brent in some time, since May, going on two and a half months. So, anyway, there we are. So we'll just launch off on our own here and wait to see if mister Winters shows up. There's no telling. Hopefully, nothing's happened, or we just don't know. Okay. In this world of communication, instant communication worldwide, we don't
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know. Yeah. Okay.
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Alright. So, we've done had a couple of really good shows. Yesterday's show was very full. Started out with Samuel, bringing, the incredible farmer or whatever his name is to our The lunatic farmer. Trying to the what? The the what is it? The lunatic farmer. Lunatic. That's right. And, so hoping maybe some of y'all wrote him emails or stuff or SteamDaddy. I've just had to come to the conclusion it's hard earned. It's hard realized. You you just can't chase people with this stuff. Mhmm. You you it's it's counterproductive to put it that way. Right. Plant a seed, go on. You can go back and water it occasionally, but you just can't go chasing them. They don't respond very well.
You it's got to be this message, for some reason, just reaches a small percentage and, people, and they respond. And when they respond, like Todd and his folks have here in the last ten days or so, you, feed them. You know? Then I just see somebody show up up there. Is that brand new? Mister winners. There he is. Mister Winters showed up. There you go. He's still muted. He's he's probably still fixing his microphone to his lapel. Prior to that, he's trying to get a fix on what we're doing here. So he's gonna come in and we're we've just been yakking Brent about, how you and I cross paths originally, through mister Beecraft and some of that kind of stuff and how long we've been doing the show and under some of the unusual circumstances, that we've accomplished it. How are you doing this morning, Brent?
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And what yeah. And alright. And we never,
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think about what we're gonna say before we get here. Well, I said that already. It's totally spontaneous. Occasionally, we'll say, look, the group wanted to talk about some legal aspect or something earlier in the week and but that's the only kind of setup we've ever had on this show because I insist on spontaneity. Spontaneity is real. It can't be faked. It can't be hidden. It's just real, and that's what I want out of this program.
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Sure. And, we of course, all radio used to be like that and all TV and all that changed. You know, I go into a meeting here not too many months back, and, I said my piece. And, there's quite a few people there. They invited me to come. And when I got done, I found out talking to people and talking to some of the people that put on, said, well, these folk here, they're not interested in what you got to say that much. What they're interested in is how they can not pay taxes or get their allodial title on their land, for example, or their water rights and what what do they gotta do right now. And they're what they're looking for is free legal advice, and that doesn't come That didn't come in a situation like this or when I was talking. And and by the way, to, deal with present problems at hand, won't change anything. There are a lot of present problems at hand that are, practical. You may need a lawyer for, but that's not what will change things. And if you fix your little problem, little to the rest of the world, it may be big to you. It's not gonna change anything, and it's gonna come right back at you. And chances would be a fix and they're pretty slim anyway if it has to do with the government.
That's the fact of the matter. I'm I'm giving you my personal testimony. It's alright to fight the government, and I don't know anybody that's fault them anymore than I have over the last few decades and paid a horrible price in wounds and setbacks because of it and to me and my family. But there's there's something deeper going on here that needs to be dealt with. And if it isn't, it's just gonna get worse. And so to to, to put aside what people call theory, it's not theory. It's the practical thing that matters. And what we talk about, of course, Roger and I, we talk about, and then on my other show too, I just talk about here's the mindset you ought to have.
Why? Because God said so. That's why. And if you don't do it, you're just gonna continue to spiral downward, and, personally, you're gonna lose it. When somebody oh, and then people get off course we talk here about also patriot mythology. I even taught a class, Roger. We teach law classes at the law school, and I taught a whole class on patriot mythology. And I didn't come close to covering all of them I wanted to cover. Of course, I cover the big ones. You know? And then there's not only patriot mythology. There's mythology with I said patriot mythology, I guess. Mythology within Christianity.
For example, the the King Jammers. The The King James. The King James follow a woman, and I couldn't remember her name. Oh, yeah. They follow her. And, also, the, they follow this, fellow that was down in Texas who's not gone. His name is,
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Tex Mars.
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No. Well, Tex is one of them. I'm glad you brought him up. Yeah. He was rabid. And he walked to Tallahatchie, Texas. And, you know, I like listening to Tex. He's kinda fun. Yeah. But when the King James, he just went off the rails. And he he'd ruined relationships. He'd he'd tell people to go to h e double l or in different ways he knew, and he wouldn't talk to you. And why? It's a mania. It's a delusion. This whole King James thing. I was trying to think of this fella who is, he had a he all these guy most of them most of them are hardcore Baptist Bible.
What I what you call them. I don't know. It's not that I I have friends that are in that movement, and I get along with some of them. But, there's some of them just they're so rapid. They they, they do what the Roman Catholics do. They take a translation of the Bible to be final, and that's what the Roman Catholics do. They take the Latin Volgate, which is like the King James back in the day it would translate it, and they took that. And the Roman the Roman, the pope takes that, and that's final. That's the authorized version for them. Of course, nobody can read it. I don't like that makes any difference, but that's the authorized version. Well, the King James people that way too.
Ruckman Peter Ruckman. Yeah. That's the name of the fella. It finally came to me. I knew if I jacked my jaw long enough, it would come. It jumped. Yeah. Yeah. Peter Ruckman and this other woman who wrote a book about new age Bible versions. I don't remember her name. I've talked to her. After I talked to her, I said, I'm not gonna get close to this woman ever again. She's, oh, she was that she was that upset. And, of course, we all get upset, but she's upset for the wrong reasons. She's a Roman Catholic as well. Very hardcore at it, but she claims to have denounced all that. And then she wrote a book called new age Bible versions, and all the men in the King James movement follow this woman.
What's wrong with this picture? What's going on here? And she doesn't know anything about the subject. Although she was an English professor there in Ohio Ohio State, I think. And she she can write a good book, and she can put a turn on the words that will suck people in. And I know some of those techniques. I watched I read enough of, people that, do that. I remember Charles Beard. He wrote a book back in 1910. I didn't know the guy, obviously, but I've read his book, and he was really good at starting me out, and you agree with him. And then every sentence he would write after that, he would change one more little tiny in discriminatory nuance in the words. And by the time he got to the fourth sentence, he was saying, just the opposite and you were agreeing with him. That's an important technique with, writers that teach false doctrine. And that's the way she is. I read through her book, and I just shook my head. And I said, well, and all the men are I've texted Mars, you know, and who the other one down there in Pensacola, he went to federal prison for about ten years. Baldwin?
No. Oh, no. Chuck. I don't know that Chuck's a king jammer. Maybe he is Chuck Baldwin. I don't I don't know. He's out in, Montana now. Yeah. He is. He was down at Pensacola. That's true. But Correct. His big thing Chuck's big thing is, our loyalty should be to The United States and not the state of Israel. And that's pretty much That's very top that's a very topical subject. Yeah. That's pretty much all he talks about anymore.
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I don't know that that's the wise thing to do being in his position, but go ahead, Roger. Well, I was gonna tell you it's not only him. It's everybody. You can't hardly turn on a news program or commentary. It's not all about, you know, half of it or so is for Israel, half of it against. I think more than half against now. It's really creeping up on them. They're getting exposed. They're getting to be the topic of conversation, which they hate. And, and, boy, they're really backed into a corner on this on this Netanyahu psychopath path of, dealing with these poor people in Gaza.
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Well, what I discover for what's worth and we've talked about this. We can talk about it more. It seems to be something people are interested in. But, going about, your rejection of Judaism the wrong way will destroy you. And the wrong way is any way you think is proper besides what Jesus Christ tells us to do, and he tells us very distinctly what to do about it. And this is the the great antagonist of the gospel records in the Bible. Jesus Christ did nothing but butt heads with that bunch. That's all he ever did until he got them worked up and they murdered him. And that's what he was that's what he came to have done. And he even said that. No. He he's looking for a fight. He knew that he had to be murdered. He so he was gonna present the truth until till they finally they snapped, and they couldn't stand it anymore, and they'd kill him. But he tells us how to handle them. Germany handled it wrongly. And, because they handled it wrongly, they've never recovered, and I don't know if they ever will at this point. Is is it what what is it? See, when we approach the evil empire and the useful idiots thereof, and we think we're gonna fix their wagon, we're gonna do what has to be done, and we don't do it according to our the orders we have from our captain, we're gonna lose. That's the way it works. And he tells us how to fight this fight. This fight that we're down here on on on Earth, on land is about false religion. It always has been. It's not about false, fundamentally about false government. False government is a product of false religion. Yes. If you have false religion, you'll have false government.
Here in America, we've had fundamentally true religion. I was just talking yesterday. In 1976, must have been a long time ago now, Roger. See, right at for near fifty years. I was right in the heart of my record business career right then. Oh, I remember I was in California at that time, and Jerry, young Jerry Brown was governor, and he was hanging around. Moonbeam. Moonbeam. What?
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Moonbeam.
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Well, he was hanging around with that, what was that little gal's name kinda cute? Hey, Brent. Yeah. I'm like, well, I wanna hear what you're gonna say, but I gotta think of this gal. Oh, Linda Ronstadt. He was hanging out. Yeah. Who somebody said something. I I don't know who it is. Bob.
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Bob. Yeah. Okay. Well, I could tell you I could tell you some Linda Ronstadt stories, but they're not fit for the radio. Go ahead, Bob. Yeah. The name you were looking for in the Panhandle is Brett is Kent Hoban.
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Yeah. Kent. Kent Hoban. He went to prison for ten years for, unjustly, by the way. But, but he he's King Jammer. He hangs around with that gal I was talking about. What's her name? If somebody finds it, they can let me know. But, I try to forget her. But he he most allies with her, Peter Ruckman. Peter Ruckman. And, I like you know, I listen to Peter. I've listened to him for decades. And he's a good communicator. That's why I like to listen to him. He's gone now. And he'd he was one of these kind of guys, Roger, that would get a great big blackboard up, and he'd have all different kind of color different colors of chalk. And while he would talk and tell stories and make his lessons, which sometimes were very good, he would draw pictures with chalk.
And, of course, that keeps you interested. You're saying, well, what's he get what's he draw on here? You know? And he he gets to flesh it out and and, he's he's real good with chalk. I don't know how he learned how to do it. But and he would tell good stories that would communicate Bible truth. The guy was a biblicist. There's no doubt about that. But why he and I've even heard it said by people that spend their whole lives in the on the question of manuscripts, and there's a not a handful of men that do that. Some of them are dead right. Some of them are dead wrong, but they've said the only man in the King James only movement that is qualified to speak on the subject, really, was Peter Ruckman.
Peter Ruckman knew he understood manuscripts, and he had spent his life well, he had been formally educated to it, and he'd spent his life doing it. Why he came to the wrong conclusion is, well, I have some idea. You know, some of us, Roger, we have the same facts, and the problem isn't the facts. We once we establish the facts, the facts don't move. It's our interpretation of the facts where we can go wrong. Yeah. And that's that's where I saw Peter on this one point. Mhmm. And he was he was just dead wrong on that point. Why he continued that? I don't know. You know, there's also here's what I think people want in the King James movement for what it's worth, and some of them are listening. And, I'm not against you. Like I say, I have friends that under a lot of them Christian folk, a lot of them aren't.
But the what the King Jamesers want is certainty. They want certainty, and they wanna be able to point to something and say, this is final and this is certain. And what they're unwilling to live with is a tinge of uncertainty. Now God himself has given us those tinges of uncertainty, and he wants us to look at the evidence and brush them aside. Our God doesn't want us to do anything, but what we don't do it on sufficient evidence. When you read the Bible, I read the Bible. Some of you have read the Bible a lot. If you'll be sensitive to it, you'll discover.
It'll just shout at you at every word and phrase. This is all about evidence. All of life is about evidence. And if you don't handle evidence correctly, and there's no mystery to handling evidence, there's you don't have to go to law school to figure out what evidence is, what to do with it. No. You do it without thinking. You've done it all your life. But if you are foolish enough to dismiss the requirement of evidence, that's the problem. There's no telling what you'll do. Peter Ruckman at the point of the manuscripts dismissed the requirement of evidence. Was, oh, Joe. He no. Bob. Bob was here. He said something. And, I guess I was I forgot. But thank you, Bob, for yeah. That that was Kent Hovind. Kent Hovind, here's another one.
Kent was a great communicator. He still is. But he used to make presentations all over the world concerning creation versus evolution. And, I've never heard anybody. I'm not the smartest guy in the world. I like to say, but I'm not the dumbest, but I've never heard anybody could get the points across as clearly as Ken Hoven. And, Ken Hoven grew up in East Peoria, Illinois. He traveled around the world, and he he just saw the silliness, utter silliness of evolution, so he he showed it. And he did a lot of scientific. What's scientific? That's not a good word. He just did a lot of research. What does scientific mean? That means just knowledge. It's just a Latin word for knowledge. What is the scientific method? It's the method of just looking at the evidence.
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It looked clear to me that's what's going on here. That's that's simple. You know? Brent, was he the guy that would go around and challenge anybody? Hold on, Larry. Was he the guy that would go by and challenge anybody on, evolution?
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Oh, yeah. And he'd I I know who he was. Yep. These Harvard guys and stuff, and he'd get done. And he hit then he'd say, I I just want you to know I didn't come here to win a debate. That's just stupid. You know, debates are for high school children and politicians and other mental deficient. I've been in a few debates. You're really wasting your time. But he said, I didn't come here to debate. I came here to present the gospel of Jesus Christ, and if I could get here this way, I'd do it. The the problem is you fellas aren't enlightened of the truth of the gospel. That's the problem, and your minds are dark, and you'll never see the truth because you don't want to. God will wiggle your willer. He'll he'll he'll make you want to accept the evidence of truth. That's what he'll do. Oh, Larry or somebody was on It was Larry. Larry, what you got?
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Yeah. I was just gonna say that Peter Ruckman believed in what's known as double inspiration that the King James translators were inspired to, write down the correct words in terms of the translation, and they all and he also believed that the, the the the authorized what he called the authorized King James version corrected the Greek. So if there was, like, a misunderstanding with the Greek language that whatever was translated into English actually corrected the Greek misunderstanding or so called error. Were you aware of that, Brent?
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Yes. I was. Yeah. I've listened to Bruckman for years, and and thank you though for bringing it up. I can't you're thinking of something I'm not, but, that's the same thing the pope of Rome has done for centuries. He takes a translation of the Bible, and he says, this is the correction and the final word, not the Greek text, this. And, you but you say that to the King James. What the King James and this is part of our flesh. We want certainty. We just want somebody to cut it clear and say, here's here it is. This is final. That's it. That's true. Put out the evidence. That's what we want. What how do I wonder how he dealt with that front page of the original translation where the translator said there was over 500
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intentional mistranslations in that version. I wonder how you dealt with that, Larry.
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Well, Larry is not talking. I'll I'll respond how I know it. Go ahead, Brent. And most King James a lot of them I met, they didn't go with the sixteen eleven. See? They went with the 17. I I somebody will correct me. I think it's the 1769 edition of the King James version. And they go with that, and so they say that that that page doesn't matter because it wasn't in the later revision. That page says it says we need to make revisions. We don't know everything. We're learning things about the Hebrew tongue. The Hebrew tongue was relatively new to the Western world at that time. And that's why you go to the King James Bible and it's it'll have the translation, then it'll have a note, and you'll go to the margin to see what the note said, and the note says or it could be translated this way. In other words, they were saying, we don't know for sure. And by the way, that's true of a lot of the Old Testament. I've translated every day. I've been working at it for decades, and I can tell you for sure, there's always more than one way to translate a word that is a good way to translate it. You know? That's not unusual.
Even after we've learned as much as we learn now. But but, it depends on what you want to stress of the Hebrew word, and you can never ever, ever, ever find a word in English that exactly,
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translates the Hebrew or the word. That's not even possible. Well, it's just kinda like Spanish too. Any language to the other. There's not a direct translation. Give you an example. Yeah. If I was to say, Brent, what what's your name? We were gonna meet I'd say, what's your name? And that would be like, what? K? K is. That would be that. But they don't. They use como. Como is to and that is how how is your name?
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How do you say it or something like that? Or Yeah. Exactly. So it has a little bit uh-huh. Go ahead. It just it's the same thing in a different
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perspective as determinate by the language and the way they use it. So and there's a bunch of those kind of things in in Spanish.
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Yes. And the Bible's filled with those things too. It's not that we can't get the clear message. Oh, we can get clear message. But, how do you get the color? You I like to say, you read read a decent translation into the Bible, you're gonna get a clear black and white picture of what it of what, the author is saying. But if you add the Greek and Hebrew a little bit, you can get color out of it. And, it's not may not be smooth English, but you'll have a more colorful picture, and that is what we try to do. That's what I try to do. A lot of times, I do this. I don't know anybody else that does it because it it's a little clumsy. But if I I try to hyphenate, word two words together to get the point of the one Hebrew or Greek word, and it it reads, okay, when I do that. I do that quite a bit because there's two aspects I wanna get across at the word freights. And, I can't always do that. Well, I can't do it always do that with one word.
For example, you take the word I'm trying to think of one. I had one in my head and it popped out. Now the old well, here's one. The word amen. The word amen is a Hebrew word in the Old Testament. And, it first appears in Genesis chapter 15 verse six, and it appears in the verb form, not the noun or the adjective form, the verb form. And, that's where Abraham, says that god told Abraham he's gonna, do two things, from using him do two things to make a nation. And Abraham wasn't an Israelite, by the way. He was a Syrian to make a nation and to, then provide a land for the nation to live in. A nation has to have a land or they're not a nation. It has to be we talked about this. This is from the Bible, but it's international law to have a to be recognized as a nation, there must be a land, a people that live on the land, the land must be bounded with clear boundaries, and there must be a law that applies to everybody in the land, a body of law. Well, now you got a nation. Well, he promised that to Abraham and said that Abraham said, right after he said that, he said, amen.
It says Abraham will amend. Well, amen. That's the word amen in the verb form in the stem, which means the or the early other causative stem. Yeah. The stem. Abraham was caused. Watch this, friends. This is huge. And this is this is not translated. It doesn't say Abraham believed God. That's the King James and every other English translation I know. It doesn't say that. It says, and he caused Abraham to believe. Well, that's quite different, isn't it? And that is the prototype of all all our our proper understanding of the salvation of God. And it was counted to him as righteousness.
Counted to him as righteousness? Yeah. It was put on his side of the ledger. He didn't do it. Abraham didn't do it. God caused all this to happen. God even when you believe God and trust God, God causes that to happen, not you. That's what the Bible teaches from front to back. But those connotations don't always come come clear. That puts all the glory to him and not you. You see? That's the whole point. Well, he he, calls Abraham. Well, that's the word what a man. Well, how do you translate that word? You should you translate it believe? He believed God. He caused to believe God. He trusted God.
He relied upon God. Which one of those or he was just solid. He affirmed God. Let's try that one. Well, all of those, all of those are proper in that they they're they communicate an aspect of that Hebrew word amen. But that Hebrew word amen, going back even further, has to do with a rock, a a fortress or an outcrop, something that's immovable. And the Bible throughout also talks about hiding yourself in the in the shelter of the rock. And who is the rock? It's the Messiah throughout the Bible. The rock is the Messiah. He will shield you when all the world caves in. If you're in him, something immovable. That's what what a man, stands for. So how do you translate that? So most of the translation just say believe.
Well, in my humble studied estimation, that's a pretty weak way to say it. Believe, it's just kind of a weak sounding word. By the way, if words sound weak, they are they are weak because they're meant to be heard. I use I like to use the word trust. Trust. Use that because, trusting is what it's all about, and it's a harsher sounding word, and it means to rely upon. You know, belief is one thing in our English tongue, and we say, well, belief is assenting to, accepting the truth of the matter. Well, that that didn't get it because the Bible says in James that the devil himself and his his devils, Satan himself and his devils accept the truth of the matter of who Jesus Christ is. It says, the devils believe and tremble.
Of course, they tremble. They're scared out of their wits of the Messiah of God. And but that doesn't mean that that, that belief makes them Christians or saves them from the lake of fire. It doesn't. So ascending to who to the truths of the Bible. I know it's true. That doesn't that that doesn't do anything for anybody. What does something? It's trusting the truth. That's that's it's the the trust that saves the trust that relies upon. And that rely what does that mean? That means you act upon it. If you're relying on it, you'll act upon it. It's like the old story about the guy that string stringed up, I don't know if it's true, but it makes the point. He's he strung up a long cable across Niagara Falls, and then he tried to walk across, you know, right in front of the falls. I know people have done those kind of things, and he did.
And then he took a wheelbarrow, you know, had of course, the wheelbarrow has one tire, and the tire is configured like those bicycles that tie rope walkers put on on cables. They're configured so they kinda like they run on a track. The cable's like a track, and the wheels made us some kind of metal, and it goes around. It's not just a rubber tire he has to balance. But, anyway, it's tough to do. He he took that wheelbarrow, and he walked across there and got that done. And he came back, and he went walked across the cable. And, he when he got back to the other side where the crowd was, he said, do you think I can do it again? They oh, yeah. You can do it again.
Do you believe I can do it again? Oh, yeah. We believe you can do it again. Do you trust that it that I'll make it happen? Oh, yeah. We trust that you can do it. Well, then one of you get in the wheelbarrow and let's go. See? That's the the difference. Believe it. Believe in us one thing. Are you willing to rely upon what you say to believe in? That wasn't that wasn't a great Walinski, was it? I don't know. I I I don't even know if it's a true story. I just I heard it one time, and I said that story makes the point. It sure does. Yeah. And when it comes to Christianity, oh, I believe in Jesus, and that's not I didn't have no. That didn't do it.
Trust is what God puts inside of you. He's the author of your trust. The Bible says it's a gift that he gives us that enables us to trust what he says. And when you say I trust him, that means you trust his what he says is true. You trust his will. You trust his law. Are you willing to act upon the law? Are you willing to hang your body on it? Like the three Hebrew boys, the and the the emperor Babylon said, well, if you don't bow down to this 90 foot statue of me over here, I'm gonna take your carcasses and throw them in a throw it in a furnace of fire, and then you're you're burn up. I'm not gonna put up with you not worshiping this image that I have set up of myself.
And they said, well, here's the deal, mister emperor. They're just boys. They said, we don't know about that. We just know we ain't bound down to that idol. We ain't gonna do it. We ain't gonna fall on our knees. We ain't gonna bend. We ain't gonna gen you flat. We're not gonna do it. Nothing personally I understand. You you just do what you gotta do, and we're gonna do what we gotta do. And then then they said, our lord our lord will our god will deliver us. And they said, but they added this, but if he doesn't deliver us, we still ain't gonna bow down. Because we consider that an eternity in hell is more important, we avoid that than you throwing us into a furnace of fire.
I mean, now what they were they doing? Well, they were trusting what god the second commandment said, thou shalt make unto me no graven image. That means make a, an icon, a picture, a two dimensional image, or a three-dimensional one like the one he had, an idol and genuflect before it, pray before it, for bound that blah blah blah. We ain't gonna do that. And they they said, we believe our God will somehow make it right. We just ain't gonna do it because he he set the standard and we're trusting him. We're trusting him for the future as we obey his law. That's the trust. You know, what like, the reformers used to say, when they use the, the English in the English speaking world, they use the word faith, and I I don't like that word because it's not enough. Faith, belief is too weak.
Trust. That has that that feels harsh. Like, it has some action to it. Something something firm. Well, they they trusted. That means they got in the wheelbarrow. And they and God was taking the wheelbarrow across Niagara Falls, and they said, yeah. I trust you. Whatever happens, I trust you. I don't walk by what I see or what I think or what my logic tells me. My logic ends logic is a good tool, but it ends where you have spoken. Where you have spoken, logic doesn't matter because where you have spoken, your word is fact.
That's what they say. See, that's what Christian people believe. If they're truly well, anyway, the reformer said the trust trust alone saves. Trust alone saves. That's true. Abraham didn't do anything. It just said he trusted. He did nothing. God did everything. But the trust trust alone saves, but the trust that saves is never alone. You will eventually act out upon your trust, but the acting out upon your trust is not what saves you from hell. Obedience to God's law is not what saves you from hell. What saves you from hell is something God puts in you that you will act upon in every case. And, you know, when with Abraham, for example, is said and Abraham was caused to trust God, and it was counted to him for righteousness.
That's salvation, friends. That's the prototype of all salvation. It doesn't say anything in there about him doing anything, and he didn't do anything. As far as we know from the record of the Bible, it was about fourteen years before he ever acted out upon that faith. And when he did it, he did it against all logic. God said it. That's it. I'm gonna do it. God told him to take his only son, his only son, from his lawful wife, Sarah, and tie him up, put him on a top of a a pile of wood, slay him with a knife, and burn his body. God told him to do that, and he went and got right up to the edge of doing it. Had the knife raised, had the boy tied up, hog tied on top, raised his dagger, and, the angel of the lord is the angel, not any the angel. That's the Lord Jesus Christ, preincarnate.
Said stop. Why was he willing to do that? And he, of course, he he made it clear he was gonna do it. And he why did God do that? God knew he didn't want him to do that. Why he did he tell him to do that? He told him to do that because that's the way God builds our faith by showing us well, yeah, I was obedient. And and in face of all odds, they threatened to kill me. They threatened to throw me in jail. They threatened to do this. They threatened to take my family away from me. I I I look back and I say, wow. I obeyed.
And that gives us great confidence, and that's the way he builds our trust in him. He did that to Abraham, and then, of course, he did that in '14 I said fourteen years later, then he circumcised himself. Well, that was an act of obedience. Didn't save him. Obedience to God does not save you, my friends. No. No. No. You're saved from hell by trust, and that's something that goes on inside of you. It's something that God works in you. And, it's never alone that comes out and works. Well, we started with the Kingjammers. I got a lot of friends that are Kingjammers.
I don't rail on them. Ruckman, you the most one of the most toxic men I've ever listened to is Peter Ruckman. And that's why some people like to listen to him because he just tears into everybody that doesn't agree with him and he does it viciously. He's written commentaries on every book of the Bible. And, just to read them as all, you know, you, it makes me laugh. He just, he has ways of insulting people that are beyond the imagination, very creative. But then you look at him. He's been married, I think, about three or four or five times. I forget he how many wives he had. Well, just unnecessarily caustic. You know?
But there are a lot of men that are drawn to that, and that's why he had such a following, and he did too. Well, if somebody thinks the name of that woman that was promoting, new age Bible versions do you remember? The name of that woman promoted new age had wrote that book. Well, I'll come up with it anyway. I may I can type it in here. It'll come to you. Speaking of women speaking speaking of women, can I ask a question? Where's Francine been? Is she alright? She's alright. A matter of fact, I talk to her pretty often because I I'm like you, Roger. Hey. Y'all alright? You know, we used to say and and, oh, yeah. I I know what she's up to. She's very busy. Okay. Yeah. And she's at she's at a point in her life where she's gotta do a lot of work and get things done and without saying what it is. But it's nothing Ben. Nothing dangerous to her. Matter of fact, Roger, it's positive thing. She's doing things that she there's some changes in her life going on that are good, and she's excited about it. But Good. She's she hangs out with me when she has to. But right Mhmm. Today, for example,
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I don't think she's here. Tell her that her absence is noticeable.
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Oh, we will. Oh, I will. No. Oh, here's the name of that woman. I just looked her up while you're asking, Roger. Gail Ripplinger. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've heard that. You know, last time we were on, I said, I don't even wanna say anything about this book. Somebody might go out and read it. You know? It's it is. I'll tell you. It she writes it, and she's convincing. You know? She knows how to use language. She's an English professor from Ohio State, but she's convincing, but she's wrong. And she knows she acts like she knows, and she done all the study. She knows absolutely nothing about manuscripts except some major points about majority text versus minority text. And that only has to do with the New Testament, not the Old Testament. But, yeah, that's Gale. I and I've talked to her, once, and I will never do it again. Well, Roger, we've been on I don't know how you've been on for for near an hour for for near an hour.
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Well, I I would I'd like to open up the phone phone line to see if anybody's got a Roger? First thing we gotta do is find out he's got a mic open that's bringing this interference on. I hear you, Robbie. Thank you for correcting that. Yes, Robbie.
[00:55:11] Unknown:
Yes. I was doing a search at the same time as Brent, and I got a different, hold on. Let me read it to you. Oh, let's see. That's the wrong one. Let's see here.
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Is it about Gail? I'll
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yes. She it says that she was the one she didn't promote new age versions. She, said that the new age versions were part of a conspiracy
[00:55:43] Unknown:
against the new the King James. So I'm not sure that's the same person, Brad. No. That's just no. She's a she's a King James or maybe I didn't make that clear. No. She and she attacks all their bible versions viciously as though they're from the devil. Yeah. Some of them prob by the way, some of them are. I know we I I have ideas ones I think are, but, no. Obviously, not all of them. Yeah. She's a king jammer all the way. Whether or not she believes it, I don't know. But she made a lot of money with that book promoting lies about things, about the Bible, the manuscript. You know, the question comes up, and I wrestled with it, and I thought I ought to come up with an answer. What is the Bible? What is it? If it's not the King James version, they say the Bible is the King James version. The the pope of Rome says the Bible is the Latin Vulgate. Period.
Well, we should answer that question and be clear about it. What is the Bible? And for what it's worth, I'll give you my answer. And I I say I've come at this from many decades of intensely having my my mind in it and my attention drawn toward translation, which I that's what I've been doing since the early nineteen eighties. And, my conclusion is taking in consideration all the world and all of the trouble and all of the the hatred of the Bible. The Bible is the best evidence you have. Listen to me. The Bible is the best evidence you have of what God said.
Now that doesn't answer all questions. But for me, knowing in my mind, what I understand about the words I've used there, I believe that's the best definition of the Bible you can get. I've talked to men that have been in gulags for years, and all they had was one page out of a Russian Bible. What's the Bible to them? At that time in their lives, it was that one page that they had hidden and passed around and copied. That was their Bible, and that was the best evidence they had at that point in their lives of what God said. And is the King James version the best evidence of what God said? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
As much as I like it, I grew up with it. That's beautiful as it is. It was a government project, printed at government expense, promoted at government expense for about fifty years before it finally overcame the Geneva Bible. And it was re translated for government purposes to promote, the law of the city and the divine right of kings of especially King James the first. He was a brutal. Stewart king, as all those Stewart king, Charles the first, Charles the second, King Henry the eighth, Bloody Mary, they were all tyrannical.
They said government ought to be by the will of one person. That's not our common law tradition, and that caused, of course, a terrible war. 80,000 men died in England over that. America exists because of fighting over that question, the King James Bible. The people that came to America, the pilgrims, that was a sect of Puritans. And the rest of the Puritan migration after 1830, all those folk came here. None of them carried the King James Bible. It was available. They didn't carry it because they wouldn't carry it. They hated it. They knew what it was what it was for. Those are the ones that started our country. So these King Chambers, they but you tell them that they've got every answer in the book. It's just odd, utterly odd. It's a gover I say this. It's a government project. And I don't say this as a joke. If the government's saying something, even if he's a right headed guy, he's in a battle. If the government is saying something, they're saying it with intent to mislead, if not out lie outright lie. But if you outright lie, you're attempting to mislead. So just make it simple. Whenever government says anything, King James Bible, for example, that's the government speaking.
They're doing it with intent to mislead. There's no question about it. They're promoting their own power or their own point of view. And it's a war and the truth is not in that world of politics anywhere. And once you understand that, then you can deal with politics. I have my favorite men, the ones I want in office. But I know that even the men that I agree with, when they open their mouths, they're misleading, tempting to mislead, oftentimes by lying. That's the rule of warfare, friends. That's the way it works. Once you get out that, you'll stop complaining about that and move on to something more important. And there are more important things in government. Government's important. Yes. But to to waste all your time complaining and moaning about these guys are lying. Like, duh. We say we used to say, of course, they are. This is warfare.
Now that you know that, let's move on to see what we can do. That's that's, crucial to understand. But let me do this, Roger, if I may.
[01:00:38] Unknown:
Hey. +1 059. Can I say this Brent Brent Allen Winters? Yeah. Let's go ahead and get your, your identifying stuff out of the way. And I don't think we've got any folks we need to say goodbye to today necessarily. So you got an open, mic there, my friend. Thank you. Brent Allen Winters, commonlawyer.com.
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Alright. Oh, I had I had something I wanna tell you. Last Sunday, you know, I'm a I I really like college football, particularly the Southeastern Conference. I've just been raised in it. You know? Yeah. You southern boys. You just Something I've always paid attention to and, I still do, and they haven't corrupted it yet. You don't see any woke stuff in there or any of that. It hadn't been, infringed upon by our enemies. Anyway, there's a great series that, that was produced a couple years ago. It's called, Saturdays in the South, and it's about the history of Southeastern Conference. I've given little anecdotes that I I saw out of it before, but this one, they've added a couple of the later years up to about 2020.
And, so I was just sitting last Sunday, and that was on. And and, they were interviewing Nick Saban. I assume you know Nick Saban is. He's, I think, hands down the finest college football coach in the history of the game. Okay? Uh-huh. And he was talking about, he said, you know, I've been coaching a long time. And he said for the first, twenty years, I was always outcome oriented. Uh-huh. And then I started realizing that the outcome was dependent upon the process, and I started concentrating on how the process works and not the outcome. And I said, boy, I can't wait to tell Brent that.
[01:05:58] Unknown:
No. That is that is telling, Roger. And, you know, the the, mill it's it's it's the law of the city is marsh it's a martial kind of law, admiralty, martial law, and then its forms. And, of course, in martial law, the only thing that matters is the outcome. That's it. Take that hill. I don't care how you take that hill. Take that hill or your career is ruined. You know? That that's the way that's the way battle works in military life. And that's our that is the law of the city at its foundation. And by the matter of fact, when it in its modern form, which is Rome, and the city of Rome was founded in July by the two brothers, Romulus and Remus. It was organized around the militia of about 300 families and extended families that were there, and it was all about how to govern the militiamen, the men.
The men that were ready to fight in case they needed to. It's all martial law, still is. You're talking about Ole Miss. Oh, I know you're talking about the South, and I got to think about Ole Miss. That's a university in Mississippi, and I think the other university in Mississippi is University of Mississippi. Well, it depends
[01:07:07] Unknown:
it depends on who you ask. There's such a bitter rivalry there. Yeah. Yeah. Mississippi state coach Dan Mullins used to say that school up north. He never would say Ole Miss. Well, then, I and when I was young, Jerry Clower got real popular back there. Of course. Of course. Jerry
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Jerry was from Mississippi, and he went young kid. Him and his brother, Marcel, went to the navy, and they fought in the South Pacific. And then they came home, and he'd never play he wanted to play football all his life, he said. And he'd hear football on the radio. You know, they had a battery radio, and he'd listen to it. But he didn't know how to play football, but he's a pretty big guy. So when he got back, he did determine I'm a play football. So he goes to ends up going to Mississippi State and playing football. He was big enough, and they he learned how to how to do it and really got into it. Of course, then the rest of his life, he liked to follow the the game.
And so he'd go to the Mississippi State games. He said, against Ole Miss. That was a big rivalry. It's on Thanksgiving.
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It's one of the big rivalries in the South. It's called the Egg Bowl.
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The Egg Bowl. Okay. So he says he's way up the top of the stadium up in the back, you know, that top bleacher on that side of the we're at Mississippi State, and he standing by a fella or sitting by a fella there, and the game was getting ready to start. And all of a sudden, they heard a lot of sirens and stuff behind the stadium, behind them where they were sitting. And he turned around, he saw a long funeral procession coming down the road right beside the stadium. And this guy beside him stands up and takes his hat off and puts it over his heart. And, because they were waiting for the game to start, and Jerry said he just sat there, and this fella sat down.
He said, boy, you must be a pretty sensitive fellow. And and, he said, well, no. It isn't that. He said, it's the least I could do. I was married to her for over forty years. That's how that's how important this game is.
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That's a good one. That's a real good one, Brad.
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Well, maybe it's true. You know, if it's really true, and it could be. I don't know. Even
[01:09:19] Unknown:
no matter what. You know? Some of the loyalties to those schools down there and people's, lifeline a a lifelong attachment to them are well, their stories are their own, really.
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Uh-huh. We had a guy at home speaking of football, and I don't know why this fellow hasn't been talked about, but his name was Chuck Chuck Borah. And he's from a little coal mining town called Ramsey. And, he ended up playing college ball where Dick Butkus played college ball. And I think right before let's see. Well, maybe right right about the same time. You know, Butkus was from Chicago, but he played, college ball at the U of I.
[01:10:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Indiana or Illinois. One of them. Right? Yeah. It was it was Illinois.
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Champ and Chuck Bora went he was he played football in high school, and he was recruit recruited to the University of Illinois. And, Chuck Borra, when he was in high school in this little coal mining town, he was all all state, and he never wore a helmet. All the time he was in high school. One of those kind of guys, you know, just crazy. And Right. So he goes to UI. Of course, U of I never won a game in football or basketball. They did. And, you know, when Butkus was there, it was like the Chicago Bears. You know, the Chicago Bears never won a game either, but people he he made, the the football a lot of money because Dick Butkus, even though his team never won, he was fun to watch. Yep.
Nothing like him. You know? He was the he was the Pete Maravich of, football. Uh-huh. By the way, you know, Pete, after we talked the other day, you and I last week talked about Pete. Right. Because Pete, you'd said you you, well, you knew him in college. You know? Well, I knew him a little bit. We weren't bosom buddies, but I met him several times and was around him a bit. Yep. Well, I went and listened to him. You know, he died at age 41 or two or three long. Very young. Very young. Yeah. And, I'll he I listened. There's lots on YouTube of him talking, and I listened to him talk. He was at, what was right near Glenn Campbell's house in Phoenix in later years in the eighties. Uh-huh. About the time I was in Arizona, and we were in we were working in the mining business.
I remember those times when, Glenn Campbell got arrested for drunk driving. I remember when I was out out there. But right after that, Glenn Campbell had a real change of heart. He got to know Pete, and Pete and him became friends. And Well, they're both alcoholics. Yeah. That's what Pete said. And Pete got up and gave his testimony of his Christian conversion. And I listened to it closely, and he spoke for he's a good talker, by the way, Roger. The guy could just he can communicate. Mhmm. And I found two or three of those, him talking about. And what he was saying essentially, and which I had mentioned before, he was saying, I I I wanted here's what his dad told him. His dad was a a basketball coach. Pres Presmerovich was his name. Yeah. He wasn't famous, but he wanted he really trained his boy to play basketball from the time he was little. And he said, Pete, you can make a million dollars.
You can be a world champion. And one other thing, you can be the greatest basketball player in the world, and that's what he had in his head since he was a kid. But by the time he was in his late thirties, he was tired of it. He did all those things. Yes. And he said, now I have trophies up in my attic in my house, and nobody sees them. And the birds, they got bird manure on them or dust. You know? I don't care. You know? Nobody else does either. And he said, I I did all those things, and I had my ladder leaning. I was climbing the ladder of success. I got to the top, and I found out my ladder was leaning against the wrong building. Yep. He didn't say it just exactly that way, but pretty close. Yeah.
But, yeah, I was, had never heard him tell those stories that he told about his alcoholism and how, he got in trouble and, you know, just awful stuff happened. But, he was, quite a personality. But Could you
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just for the audience that may not know about this guy, and a lot of people in this age don't have no idea who he was. He was at, is they first of all, LSU hired his father as the coach to get him as a player. Yeah. Not that Press wasn't a good coach. That's just the way it came. And so, in those days, in the sixties, the freshmen did not play the varsity team, and there was no three point shot. And those were his days. And he's still, to this day, owns the all time scoring record of NCAA basketball. That's how talented that guy was. I mean, unbelievable things that he could do with the basketball. Would they if he was gonna take the family to the movie Yeah. They'd let the the back door down on the station wagon, and Pete would dribble the basketball in the street all the way to and back from the movie theater. Oh, yeah.
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That kind of stuff. Yeah. He he talked about his dad and trained him. Well and I got off on Pete, and I was wanting to talk about Chuck Borah. But Chuck, he played at, U of I, and I and I tell this on the on the testimony of a lawyer whose great grandfather this is funny how things are connect. Whose great grandfather was Abraham Lincoln's secretary of war. Who?
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Donnie?
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Stanton. Stalin. Stan. They called him. Yeah. And this guy's name was was, Stanton named after his Lewis. Yeah. Lewis Stanton named after his grandfather or his great grandfather. And he was a lawyer there where I practice law, and we have and I did a whole lot of stuff together, and he was a he but he wasn't a Democrat. You know, Louis Stanton was a Democrat and a brutal man. But, he was this guy was a hardcore Republican, and his grandfather on the other side, not even his grandfather, his mother's father was assistant secretary of the navy under, who was it? Harding? I think it was Harding.
Yeah. And, so he was politically connected, but he he was just small town lawyer, and I knew him. He's passed away now. But he he wanted to be he was, Allstate football player when he was in college. He was, he was a linebacker like Dick Buckas in Heineken. And, he wanted so much to play at the University of Illinois. He told me this. But he he wasn't big enough. Even though he was tough, he wasn't big enough. So he liked the ball so much. He was in ROTC at the U of I, and he he traveled with the team back then, no computers and stuff, so he had a clipboard. Well, they call it keeping stats. You know?
And, Chuck Borra was on the team, and, they went up to University of Wisconsin for the University of Wisconsin. University University of Wisconsin's homecoming. And there was a player at University of Wisconsin, and his name was Dimitri. He was a an is a Italian immigrant family, and he was the number one running back in America, college ball at that time. He was tough, and he went pro then. Dimitri did, of course. But he said they got down to the goal line, and, Wisconsin had the ball, and it was zero to zero. And there was something like three seconds on the clock. And they knew they're gonna give the ball to Dimitri and run him up the middle. That's what you do when you're on the goal line. Don't try to make that score.
And he said Chuck Borra was it couldn't have been butkus was there at the same time because Borra, I think, was middle linebacker. That's what he told. Sorry. And, pandemonium, he said zero to zero, and they dropped the flag on the play. And it got right down to zero seconds on the clock and one play one play left for Wisconsin to break the zero zero tie. And every they did it three times. There was flags on the play. People jumping the gun. Everybody was so nervous, and Bora was standing. He had a helmet on. They wouldn't let him play in college without a helmet. Everything got quiet in the stadium, and he started screaming, send Dimitri to me.
Send Dimitri to me. And two times, before I caught him right coming up the middle and slammed him backwards and threw him back in the back, you know, back across the line. He never made a touchdown. Didn't wanna sit. Mhmm. Somebody's talking. Is there
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What? The plea the conversation going on in the background? I know it's a female voice. Could you please mute, please? It's not like Bruce.
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It's not like I'm saying anything profound or important. I'm just telling a story. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's still distracting. Yeah. Well, anyway,
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Can you mute him, Paul?
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I did.
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Oh, you did. Okay. Go ahead. Brent. Who who did he meet? Who did Paul meet there? The guy that was causing that ambient noise there.
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Oh, I thought he met Dick Buckus or something. No.
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No. I couldn't mute Dick Buckus. He would wind up muting me if I tried. That's right.
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Well, you grew up in Chicago, didn't you? No. No. No. You did not. Oh, I Twin Cities. There.
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Twin Cities. I drove through Chicago a lot driving a truck going from the Twin Cities to Okay. Jersey.
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Oh, wow. Place that I'm going to go. Oh, that's a crowd. Now you couldn't get through there driving, I imagine. It's
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between two and four in the morning.
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No. Well, yeah, that'd help a little. Yep. Well, Roger, you'd mentioned open up to Mike's. I Well, I also wanted to mention another guy as long as we're on this, because he was at Georgia when I was living in Atlanta. I was a defensive coach over there for Vince Dooley, and his name was Erk Russell. Do you you ever hear him? No. He was a bald headed guy. He's a defensive, line coach, and he would get out there before the games with no helmet, and he butt heads with the players with helmets. His his head would be, like, bleeding and stuff. And you you still see if you ever see a University of Georgia game, you'll see somebody with their head bald, and they've got the bulldog painted on their head. That's for old Erick Russell. He's one of a kind.
Anyway, go ahead. We can get never did up either. Do what now, Rick?
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He never got the head coaching job that he had to go to Georgia Southern. That's right. He ended up down Georgia Southern.
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Very true. They got brought Mark Rich in, I think, instead of VD. Vince Dooley was there the whole time I was mostly in early in Georgia, a real legend in his own right. Anyway, that's about three weeks away. We're gonna get that season started again. So, anyway, I know if you don't like sports, sorry, but it's back one of my lifelines back to The States. And like I said, one of the reasons is tradition and because the woke crap hasn't gotten didn't get to any of the college game that I could see. Oh, okay. Roger? Yes. Rick.
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N I l is gonna ruin college football.
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Well, I guarantee you that's right. You know what that is, Brent? What is it? Name, image, and likeness. They're letting players be paid, basically, and the college is now farm farm schools for the you know, it always has been, of course, but even more so now pronounced. And some of the players that make huge money can can divvy up with the team if they want or however they wanna handle it. But the quarterback for the University of Georgia last year, and I can't remember his name right off my bat, but he was driving, like a Lamborghini around a campus, you know, something like that. Maserati.
Well, these guys are professional athletes. I mean, they say They are. It's just the farm league is all it is, and now it's being recognized. Rick, what do you think about the portal? Do you think the port I think the portal is added to the game. But NIL is a distraction, and it's these changes is the reason Nick Saban retired. He says it's not the same game I've grown up in. You know?
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Ask the University of Tennessee about the and what they think about it.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway
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Just to add to it for fun, and since I am privileged to be able to speak here and have a platform pretty much what much I want, I wanna say something about my convictions about what my father called organized sports. My father didn't go to high school, so he didn't participate in such things. He did play baseball because everybody played baseball even Uh-huh. His dad and his granddad played baseball. You know? And then they used to run that's where they used to go to the local club and try to find professional baseball players. They didn't go to the go to the, colleges and universities in those days.
But, dad, would have nothing to do with organized sports. Nothing. And he told me all my life, and I agree with him now. Just a darn fool would spend his time chasing the ball around the pasture field. It's a waste of your life. It's a waste of your time. And as I look around now, even though I talk about sports and I've I've played you know, I was on the track team and the basketball. I did all those things because I wanted to so bad because it was popular. I see that it is a waste of a man's time, and I'd I'd look at it from the biblical point of view. The fans are waste their time too and their money to have that preoccupation with all that I just call it baloney. It's it's the devil's, distraction. That's the way I look at it now because it distracts us away from what's really important in life, and it's childish, utterly childish.
Now there are real things in life. Like, Tom Jefferson said, if you wanna really do something important with your life, do not be preoccupied with games that have to do with balls, b a l l s. Right. No. We'd say today football, basketball, baseball. And he said this, get yourself a gun and carry it and become proficient with it because that's useful and that's real, and that does make a difference. And the sports will degenerate into perversion, and they have now, clearly. Dad used to say, you bring any one of those sportsmen from the high school, and then we had little town, little high school. But there were those men in town. They were always promoting their children on the little league team, promoting their children on the basketball team and the football team. Then they started the athletic boosters Club, and they were always there trying to get their children to play on the first team, which they did.
And a lot of them weren't that good, frankly, but they were given a lot of money, and it became just a lot of politics in a little tiny town. This has been over 50 ago. And, dad wouldn't have anything to do with it. And I wanted to play baseball, and I came home one time. There was no little league in this little town where I live, but it when I was in a little boy in school, little league came around and tried to organize. I don't know who it was, and they gave cards to us children in school, us boys, and said, take this card home and have your mother, father sign it, and you can join little league.
And, of course, when we were going to school, Roger, us boys, everybody just died. We all died to have the best ball glove. And when time came to run outside, we'd run outside and play baseball or softball baseball. And we played softball too, but it was a big deal to us. Well, they came around with the Little League stuff, and I took the card home. I told dad. He said, you're not no. You're not joining Little League. That ain't gonna happen. I said, but I all my friends are, and they were, my cousins and my friends. And he said, no. Because what they'll teach you how to do is cheat. That's what they'll teach you. They'll teach you how to be overly aggressive, how to dominate other boys that can't play as well as you because they're not naturally endowed and able to. And he said, I'm not gonna have you be a part of it.
And, not only that, he said, and to add to that, they're gonna play on Sunday nights, and we go to church on Sunday nights. And that was true too. And so I didn't play. Well, my neighbor down there, Ronnie Fane, his dad didn't let him go play for the same reason. And, as it turned out, I'd I'd be to town sometimes on a Saturday, and they've then they put up a bold diamond at the little park in town. And I watched I watched the boys. Boys I knew, my relatives and friends, I watched them cheat. I watched their fathers encourage them to cheat, and then they would tell me how the things their fathers told them how to do it. And I had, we had a couple of twin brothers come to my dad. They were they raised Angus cattle and farmed quite a bit of land, and their names were well, I won't say it here. It's an interesting bunch. I've known them all my life. It's kind of funny. They they were two twin boys that married two twin girls. That's how it happened.
And that means, of course, genetically, I learned this later in school that all of their children were genetically as close as just regular brothers and sisters. And there was a whole pass along on both sides. Well, they were always promoting. They were the same age as dad, and they were always promoting promoting, a little league and sports and had their children in it. And and they said to my dad and my dad came and told me this. He said, well, those brothers told me. Because he was a farmer too, and he knew him. He said they said that, if I don't put you in sports, you're not gonna learn to be aggressive enough in life. And he said, I'm I know that's not true. That's just a lie. And he said, you watch their children.
They'll be, and I I use a word here that is in the Bible, in the King James Bible. It wasn't a bad word when it was used, but it sounds that way now. But I wanna say what my dad said. He said, you watch them. They'll all be piss outs. Piss outs. And I watched them, and they were. They I mean, we're older now, and it's not that I didn't like some of them, but they just all kinda fizzled out to nothing. And they spent their life doing that kind of stuff, and even they were gonna make those boys aggressive and tough and run over other people, and that's what happened. And that doesn't work. It just flat didn't work. Well, that's what sports does. I get it. I love to watch Larry Bird play basketball. I get it. But it is a a preoccupation that gains a man nothing. That's my studied opinion. Matter of fact, it's a distraction, and what's really important and got to that point now in our culture where sports, overcome us. And we we will do anything. A lot of people, they'll do anything to know who plays who and who wins. And I'm telling you, I don't give two hoots to holler. These fellows playing sports don't care about me, and they aren't asking how my day went today. And I'm not interested in asking how theirs went because they're a distraction to what's important in my country, and they need to go do something else worthwhile. That's the way I look at it all.
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Well, there certainly are bread and circus aspects to it.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. And there there's positive things on the other side. You know, it gave people an opportunity they may never have had. A lot of those things does build character of sorts. And, it just, you know, yin and yang. Right?
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Yeah. Well, I I just say my piece because I figured people wanna I wonder what Brent thinks about this. It might make some people mad. It might disagree, but we're having enjoyment here saying what's on our minds, Roger. So Well, I can tell you one thing with all the confusion in the world, it's a darn a darn good escape for a little while.
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Uh-huh.
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Hey, Grant? Brock. Gotcha. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get why. You know? Drink is a good escape too, I suppose. But Yeah. But that's detrimental. You know? All you can end up, with one of those sporting events, you might get hoarse or you might get in a fight next to the guy on the side of you. Anyway, we got I think Rick was the one trying to say something, and I believe Paul.
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Rick? No. I was just trying to get Rick in here.
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Okay. Thanks, Paul. I I was wondering I bet Brent knows the story of George Patton's participation in the Olympics.
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Yes. I do. I do. That was very early. Well, I've read about it. That's all I can say. I only know about things like that, what I read. But he was quite the horseman, I understand. He was from an ultra wealthy family in California. His, grandmother one of his grandmother was an, early one of the early settlers. She was Spanish. She was Spanish. Matter of fact, Mexican Spanish, one of his grandmothers, and they had a lot of land before the Americans, before well, that was still part of Mexico, and then it became California. But he, he never took a paycheck while he was in the army, by the way. He never cashed a paycheck. Right.
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And he paid for everything in his tank division to be all the tanks to be refurbished
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and all that stuff, I believe. When Roosevelt took the army down and caused World War two by doing it, by the way, he's he you know, the the fault of World War two ought to be laid at his feet because the army what little army was left were drilling with broomsticks. They didn't even have rifles. That's not an exaggeration. And he was an of an armored unit, the commander, a West Point graduate, and he because he had a lot of money, the the his armored unit wouldn't have kept going if he hadn't paid for the parts to keep the machinery up. He's he paid for it personally. And he took every check he got from the US army and, gave it over to Army Relief, which is the relief organization, which still exists, I think, for poor and needy army families that were a lower rank and didn't have any money. I think Trump is do is he doing that in his second term? I know he did it in his first term.
I don't know, Roger. I wouldn't doubt it. I know that well, but George Patton, he and I'm I get off. Roger and I can get off real quick. Oh, boy. Can you But George Patton George Patton was a he prided himself in being a really good horseman and a really good shooter is what I remember. Is that what you read about it? And that was about 1912 or nineteen fourteen Olympic or 1912 or something. You tell us what you know.
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Well, I don't remember the year, but he participated in I think it's the Decathlon. It's five sports. And he placed very, very well, and he just missed a gold medal in shooting because of the way they scored it. He they claimed he missed the the target once, and he believed he put a bullet through a a same hole, a previous hole. Oh. And all the other all the other participants used 20 twos. He did it with a 38.
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Oh. I did. Well, I don't yeah. The the pen well, you said five events. That'd be the pentathlon and the the 10 That's right. Yeah. I knew what's the pentathlon. Yeah. Decathlon. And I don't know which one he did, but I'd heard that, but I don't know that much about it. I do know he participated. And but George here's another boy. George got to drinking too. See? He had he had some money that when he go to an a young officer out of West Point, he'd go to they'd assign him to a new location. He'd take his horses with him, and he'd wanna stable them. You know?
And, he'd wanna his horses to go in. Well, he got mad because, sometimes he'd go to a new location, and they some other officer that had money, they'd have horses, and they'd have them stabled, and he wouldn't have any place to put his. Sometimes he would take a a less desirable place to live, housing, so he could have what he needed for his horses. It was yeah. The horses were a big deal to him, and he was, his dad oh, by the way, I believe I found this out because I did a funeral service at a place called San Marino, and some of you listened to where San Marino is. It's just right near Pasadena and over in that area. And for those of you that maybe don't have the geography in your heads, if you remember the Beach Boys, they sang a a song called, Little Old Lady from Pasadena.
Right. It was about a little old lady that was driving down Colorado Boulevard. Well, Colorado Boulevard runs east and west, and it connects all those towns from Fontana over towards San Bernardino right along the base of the the mountains there. Not the San Bernardino. They're at the other end, but along the mountains. And you come, there's Fontana and other places, but right and near south and near, Pasadena, then Glendale and Burbank and then the San Fernando Valley through the pass there, which is just North of Hollywood. Well, it's right on not right near Colorado Boulevard, which which is the it used to be the main road. It's still a main road, but the interstate now goes through there, but that was from one end of that area to the other. And, San Marino's there. And his family, that's one of the it was one of the most wealthiest communities.
The wealthiest community is in that part of the world. It isn't now, and it used to be white, of course, and it isn't anymore. But, there's a large cemetery there, and that's where George Patton's family is buried. And I didn't know it, but I did a graveside service there three, four years ago. And as I was driving out, there was a large statue of George there. And I had it in my head. I said, well, this must be where George his family's here. He's buried here, but he isn't. I think he's still buried in Europe is what I've read where he died after the war.
But,
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it is Some people would say where he was murdered. Go ahead.
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Yeah. Where he was well, he died, but, yeah, murdered. It seems that's pretty obvious. It probably was. But George had so much money. See, if you got a lot of money, you get to thinking you're pretty smart, and you just say whatever you want because nobody can hurt you. See? And that's what he did when he was an army officer, and and Eisenhower was just the opposite. Eisenhower played politics the whole time after he got out of West Point. He just kept doing whatever he had to do to advance his career. He was that kind of a personality. That's why he fit well. He was able to run for president.
But George Patton wasn't in that world, and he didn't care. He said whatever he wanted. Here's the trouble with Georgie, though. See, Georgie, as they called him, affectionately, his family and friends, Georgie was, he wanted to be a great soldier like the Greek soldiers and all that stuff, but he he didn't have the he didn't have the persona for it. He didn't look or act that. He looked he looked that way a little bit, but his voice was real high and squeaky. And, the people that knew him when he got to Europe during the war, they said he'd stand in front of a mirror. They could see him standing in front of a mirror when the door of his room is open, practicing his war voice.
So when he would speak to the troops, he tried to lower his voice and make it more forceful. And then he also get in front of a mirror, and he'd practice putting on certain expressions. So he would communicate to his troops that he wasn't messing around, and he wanted them to go hard and fast. He knew that communication was important, and his personality as it came across would be what would dictate the attitude of the thousands of men he commanded. And that's true, of course. But he had this high squeaky voice. And so what he did and we all do this to varying degrees that I'm older now. I understand it better about myself and others. We all, as men, we try to compensate and be more manly because we feel like we're not as manly in one area. Well, he had this high squeaky voice, so what Georgie did when he'd make a speech, he'd he'd cuss like a drunken sailor.
And it was inappropriate what he said, what he'd do. I mean, I've been around men that do that. Men do that. They get into doing that thinking that it it's it's a masculine thing. Well, it kinda is, but it's just unnecessary. As they get older, I understand that more. Well, that's what George did. You know? He I'm a lot older than he was at this point when he died, and I look looking back on it, and I say, well, I I see how that works. He had a lot of money. He wanted to come across a certain way. He wasn't stupid. Matter of fact, he was But but neither was Eisenhower stupid.
People in general aren't stupid. It's just it depends upon what you choose to act upon. And Eisenhower choose chose to run-in his career, being sensitive to politics and not saying the wrong thing and and calculating his career to move forward. And he got moved forward, and Georgie didn't in the same way. But was Georgie necessary? Absolutely. What what the war things came out better because of George Patton.
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And, we're glad for him and thank you for that. To listen to him, they'd probably come out better still.
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Well, Eisenhower did listen to him, but he was taking orders from from Roosevelt. See that. That's why Roosevelt put him in place. He knew he'd do what he told him. See? Or Patton would have done probably wouldn't have done what he told him. So he didn't want him there. Probably not. And then Patton got fired because he'd always saying things that were well, they weren't politic. You know? You know what I mean. Yep. And, yeah. No. They weren't kosher, I think, is what you're trying to say. No. Uh-uh.
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But we're thankful for it. Speaking of, do you know that Coke changed from corn syrup to cane because you can't make corn syrup kosher? Oh, really? So they changed it to cane sugar? Cane sugar? Just just within the last couple of months. Yep. And that's the reason. Just the last couple of months.
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Well, I can say, one more thing about Coca Cola. People drink more Coca Cola than they do beer, and the guys that run the beer trucks and deliver beer, would rather work for Coca Cola or Pepsi because they sell more of that. As much beer is sold, they'd they could better drive in those trucks. You know, the the Coke bottle the Coca Cola bottle that has that certain shape and curve to it that the other bottles don't have and certain design. That bottle was invented in Terre Haute, Indiana. And when you drive through Terre Haute down Wabash Avenue, there's a giant, it was a big mural on the side of the building as you're going east, approaching the river, about out on the spot where it was invented.
I don't know how I need to read up on that, but, little things happen all over the world like that and probably close to your home wherever you are like that Coke bottle deal that, here it connects you to
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worldwide fame, and you don't even know it. But It blows my mind how people consume that stuff down here. Coca Cola? I've I've not had a soft drink past my lips in four thirty five, forty years.
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I just don't drink them. Okay? I I quit it. I quit it. Yeah.
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And, that's when Tucker Carlson says he's one of the the best promoters of type two diabetes in the world. Yeah. Go ahead, please.
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Come on. I was in back of the coke pack here in Atlanta and, in the alley.
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And, this big tanker truck pulled up. By Georgia Tech by Georgia Tech, Rick?
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Yeah. And this big tanker truck pulled up, stopped. Driver got out. He got this long hose out. He went over in the pavement, opened up this valve, hooked that hose up, and started pumping. That thing is full of phosphor forecasted. You look on the label, coke label. Yep. Phosphoric and you see. That's it.
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Coke, the the the you'll find a can of coke in virtually every state trooper's trunk. You know why, Brent? Why? Because when they find a car on the side of the road, most of the time, predominantly, it's because of acid buildup on the battery terminal. And they open up that Coke bottle and pour it on there, and it just dissolves it.
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Well, I believe it. One time I was on an airplane and sitting in the back. I used to like sitting in the back and
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Safest place. Safest place.
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Well well, I'd say that too, but I was sitting back there and had a cup of coffee on the little table there. You know? Right. And all of a sudden, it got bumpy. And you know, it can get so bumpy, it throw you up in the air. Yes. And it threw threw my coffee cup up in the air, and it landed right in my lap. And I thought, oh, boy. And I had a nice pair of white pants on. I I wanted to look nice when I got there. You know? I can't remember who I was supposed to talk to. But I, waitress came or the waitress the stewardess came by. That was back when the stewardesses were mostly women. And, one of them came by, and I said, pardon me. Do you happen to have a can of of, seltzer water or something like that, you know, or a can of water? No. I said a can of water. That's right. I just I I can or a bottle of water. I was gonna try to real quick pour some water on it. Hope it'd dry out, you know, by the time I
[01:42:37] Unknown:
Yeah. And it wouldn't stain.
[01:42:39] Unknown:
Yeah. And she said, oh, I can do better than that. She comes back, pops the seltzer water, and just I'm sitting there, and I didn't expect it. She just took it and started pouring it on my crotch, Laughing too while she was doing it. Uh-huh. And I what are you doing? You know? Oh, and and I I couldn't do anything. She laughed and got done. And she said, when, when that it'll dry out, then she said that coffee stain will be gone. And it was. And I don't know whether it's the the quinine entered or what it was, but it got rid of that stain.
[01:43:16] Unknown:
Wow. There's a good tip for the audience.
[01:43:19] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:43:23] Unknown:
Let me open up the phones here towards the we're in the last little quarter here. Find out if anybody's got any questions for mister Winters here. Because usually, we wait until now, and it takes us into a whole another hour after the show. So I wanted to start a little early today. Anybody in the audience got something for Brent or myself? Wow, Brent. We must be doing a good job or we drove everybody off. One of the two. Yeah. You know, and you never know, Roger. It was just that sports talk, football talk. We drove them away. What?
[01:43:59] Unknown:
There's somebody. What what did what did Patton say about what did Patton say about the Germans and Hitler versus the Jews?
[01:44:07] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Thank you. Let me tell you a little bit about that. Go ahead, Brent. You know anything on that? What did Patton say about Germans and Jews?
[01:44:16] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. There is a quote I've seen, and I I had I didn't follow-up on it to verify its authenticity. But he was if if the quote is true, he was saying we were at war with the wrong people, unfortunately.
[01:44:33] Unknown:
You said the Germans were the finest people in Europe.
[01:44:37] Unknown:
Well, shoot. I they're, they're highly they've developed their ability to engineer. No question about that. And, they have a habit of cleanliness, as a culture that traditionally was second to none. Being clean about everything, I'm talking physically clean about everything, drives used to drive those people. I mean, all those the Dutch too and the Belgians and all those people. Right. I knew a lady who has spent teenage years back, well, about 1970 in Belgium. She said those women would get out of the morning and line up, with brooms, and they'd sweep the whole street every morning in front of their house. Sounds like Argentina.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that's that's refreshing to hear. Mhmm. And if you didn't, in order to be accepted, this lady told me, by the women, you had to prove over a few years how clean you were. There was no other way they would accept you in their in their circles.
[01:45:39] Unknown:
One of the guys in Argentina said, see that lady sweeping down there? I said, yeah. He said, in about a week, she'll know everything there is to know about you.
[01:45:49] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Well, women are women. You know? They gotta keep track of it. I knew this gal that ran a I knew a gal well, go ahead, Roger, and I'll I was gonna say to to Joan,
[01:45:59] Unknown:
the story about he had to go into some a synagogue, one time. And he could only stay in there a few minutes. He was right it's in a letter he wrote back to his wife, and he said I I had to leave or I was gonna throw up. And he was not real complimentary about those folks.
[01:46:19] Unknown:
And that could explain the reason why he was murdered to a degree degree. Yeah.
[01:46:26] Unknown:
Yeah. So anybody else got something for Brent or myself? G well, I got one that's worse. Alright. Now when we go into the after show, I'm gonna remind you that we called and nobody
[01:46:41] Unknown:
responded. So I got one that's I got what was worse. Well, I was gonna say something, Roger. I was gonna say something, but am I free to talk? Because I don't want anybody saying that I've I've jumped in. Yeah. Yes. It would be nice if you'd come in and say, hey, Roger,
[01:46:57] Unknown:
instead of just barging in. But, yes, Wahib, you can talk.
[01:47:02] Unknown:
Okay. What I was trying to explain yesterday, I left it in the description. What I was trying to explain, It it was it was, it was on topic because we were talking about Detroit. We were talking about Washington, DC and the government taking over Washington, DC. Anyhow, I left it the description what I was trying to explain about article one nine in the constitution, but I left it in the description so that, it would best explain the point I was trying to make about why, he would have to get rid of article one of the constitution, article one, dash nine. Thank you.
I, I I digress. What is the word? I whatever. That word is when you're finished.
[01:47:53] Unknown:
Over and out.
[01:47:55] Unknown:
Did he have a question, Roger? Think you know, it's just that I don't I don't know. No. He was Right. He was just clarifying what he said yesterday. Oh. I have something on, disgusting people. Uh-huh. I mean, of course, I'm a bachelor, so don't expect me to be the world's cleanest person. But, I did, I did work for a service master company, like, oh, forty years ago. And, one of the jobs we had was to, turn clean a Jewish surgeon's house. After they had moved all the furniture out, we got to clean what was left. Oh. And that was the most disgusting space I have ever been anywhere near.
So apparently, they have to be so clean and sanitary when they're going into surgery that when they get home, they just don't care or they were just that way to begin with. I don't know. But that was disgusting. That was horrible. The do those that that group of people, they don't really have a,
[01:49:09] Unknown:
a a a great deal of cleanliness in their tradition and culture, do they?
[01:49:18] Unknown:
Well, isn't that funny?
[01:49:20] Unknown:
Now false I never thought about that, Brent, till just now. Say it again, Roger. Say it again. Isn't it interesting they don't seem to have that culture of cleanliness in their culture?
[01:49:32] Unknown:
No. That is a great note, but all false religion is that way. You take these, I don't know, Hindus and, all those fellows who wear those turbans on their head. Yes. Yes. They do that. And then the idea is, I mean, my hair is dirty, so they put it up, put that on. And the Egyptians said hair is dirty, so it was fashionable in Egypt to shave every man to shave his body from the top of his head down to his toes every day. No. And then it's just more manifestation. They they were filthy, utterly filthy. History tells us that. And the Bible tells us that the Egyptians were utterly filthy and ridden with all sorts of diseases. How often in the Bible does it say that to the Israelites and you won't be if you do what I say, God says, you won't suffer the diseases that you suffered down in Egypt because you were worshiping the gods of Egypt and not fall you had a different gods. We had different set of instructions, a different law. Now you have the true God. You're supposed to follow my instructions. You'll be clean, and you won't die of these diseases and suffer with them all of your life.
Mhmm. But all false religion will, eventually come to filth on the inside. That's why Jesus Christ said, clean the inside of the cup first, and the outside will be clean. Your your your ugliness and and he was talking to the Pharisees. That's who he was always talking to. And by the way, the rest of the New Testament was talking to them too and about them. All the epistles focus upon doctrines of rabbinicism and refute them. But if if you follow false a false law, you're following a false god, a law giver. And if you're following a lost law false law giver, it will be nothing but chaos and filth. My grandma, I used to tell her cleanliness we'd she'd wanna argue about the Bible. We got to talking about is cleanliness next to godliness or is cleanliness godliness?
Well, we finally concluded that cleanliness is godliness. Yeah. In other words, if you're a Christian man or woman, God cleans up your inside first. And once that's clean, the outside will begin to follow. And Christian cultures, if you've ever been around them, maybe in America or like in Germany, used to be a Christian culture, those people are clean. That's a result of the religious point of view. It's not just we're gonna be clean. You say, well, they aren't all Christians. No. They aren't. But they live under a social pressure because of the culture that which men deemed worthy of cultivation.
Cleanliness is what they follow. And we can have that. If we have the right god, we will that means we have the right law from the right lawgiver, and our response to our lawgiver, we call religion. Religion. Religion's a good thing if it's the right religion. And the response to a demon law giver, you're gonna be a filthy SOB. Filthy of mind, filthy of soul, and then filthy of body, it'll happen. And so when you talk about how filthy things were, just thank God if you're a Christian man or woman that God has tried to do something different with you and sent get the word out to others. I've noticed we've had this influx of these hotel owners and these gas station owners from places over there where they have the false religion where they wear all the rags on their heads. Yes. Thinking they're being cleaner. These hotels and these motels and these gas stations are filthy.
They're filthy compared to what they used to be. When there was a Christian culture that dominated, I don't say that all men are Christians that run gas stations, but I remember when it was a big deal to have clean clean gas stations. Clean restaurants. Clean restaurants. Yeah. They clean restaurants. They it got to be pretty stiff competition. Well, why do they have that competition? It was a cultural thing because a lot of people really like that. I remember my mother would travel, my father, and, we'd stop at a restaurant when I was a kid. Had a 1953 green Chevy.
Anyway, dad and and mom or or both of them would walk up, and they'd look at the door of the restaurant. If the glass door the glass on the door of the restaurant wasn't clean of smudges, they we didn't go in. Yeah. It it just easy. Dad always said, I when I meet a man, I look at two things. I look at his shoes. I look at his hands. Now if he's out working like men do and he's got dirty hands, well, sure. You know? He dad was a farmer. He worked in manure and and dirt constantly, But he was big about, I mean, scrubbing. You know, scrubbing best he could, everything, all the time. Why? Well, it wasn't because he was such a great guy. It was Christian culture. He grew up in a world where that was held in high esteem. I don't I don't know that all Christian men or women live in that culture. If there are Christian men or women understand that, well, why do you do it? Well, you don't want your neighbors to think bad of you. Well, that's good motivation far as it goes.
But all that comes from our Christian culture. When you read the Bible and the Old Testament moving forward, it's all about the clean versus the unclean. And how do you those are Hebrew or translations of Hebrew words. What does that mean? What does clean mean? Clean means and the Old Testament Hebrew word, it just means that these are things that are safe, and you won't get the botch if you if you don't if you eat these things and not these things, and if you do this and not that. Simple commands. The Bible says don't eat buzzards. Well, that's easy enough. Why? Well, buzzards, eat dead meat and carry on. You wanna eat what they eat? Don't eat dogs and cats because they they do the same thing. And you have the they have diseases that are not host specific to the dog or the cat. There are some diseases that a man can get and it can kill him.
So we don't do that. But and the Bible says if you touch this dead carcass or if something hits you that's touched it, you can go read it all. Rinse in water. Make sure you get water on it, rinse it off your hand, and then wait a certain period of time That's before you go being around other people and touching things. Well, how do why do you do that? Because you don't want your children and your wife to get diseases and have to suffer or die. Mhmm. And it's simple. It's not a matter of sterility. The Bible is not a matter of sterility. You mentioned that surgeon a while ago. He understood sterile technique. The the the medical schools teach sterile technique. And the idea of sterile technique is to do all the things that you gotta do to have everything perfectly sterile, clean.
Well, that's not what the Bible's talking about. The Bible's talking about a lifestyle of just using your head and not doing stupid things. And he tells you what that is. And you if you do that, you'll have a decent life, But you're not reading it. Of course, you aren't. Does anybody read the Old Testament law? We're going through the Old Testament law now. We started in Genesis. We're in Exodus chapter 21 on Sundays, and we're just going through the law of God. What does he mean by what he says? What what do we do here? Well, we've got laws like that in our common law tradition, wrongful death, all this. We talk about it all, the bear gelt and the man price and and torts and what happens if somebody gets hurt, two men fighting, who's liable. It's all there. And by the way, our common law tradition is consonant with it consonant with it because our common law tradition is a Christian tradition.
Well, yeah, it's important, Roger. We look at that. But Yeah. I'm yeah. I'm we're about done. What's up, Paul?
[01:57:07] Unknown:
Well, I just wanted to take a minute and play devil's advocate. You know what I did there. I don't know if if somebody could, like, cut those people a break because they're in, like, a desert and, like, arid, parts of the world. And, even though cleanliness is next to godliness in a desert, cleanliness is next to impossible. So I I just wanted to play devil's advocate. Well, no. That See what I did there? That's
[01:57:42] Unknown:
very true. Because I was up in the high desert in Argentina, and it's very, very dry, and there's a lot of winds. So the one of the reasons those women are out there, Dustin, is because, man, the dust, if you don't stay on top, it'll take you over. And you can leave your house totally locked up for a week or ten days and come back and there's dust all over the place. It's,
[01:58:04] Unknown:
it's just part of the nature of the thing of that area and, those climate. All I'm not under. What what exactly are you driving out of? I'm I must be slow on the uptake.
[01:58:15] Unknown:
Well, devil's advocate. I was Uh-huh. Advocating for the small hat wears devil's advocate. I was
[01:58:29] Unknown:
They could use some devil's advocate there. Advocate. What
[01:58:33] Unknown:
are you advocating for?
[01:58:35] Unknown:
Well, I just I just trying to understand maybe why they they could, stop a truck just with a headwind or stop a truck by being upwind of it or whatever.
[01:58:49] Unknown:
Oh, well, I'm I I am still not I I wanna say something, but I don't know what to say because I'm not understanding what you're driving at.
[01:58:57] Unknown:
Go ahead. Well, I don't want to say, though, though. Well, it it was a point, but it was mostly stupid.
[01:59:03] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it was a point. I got a I got a good ending for you. You know? I heard now this is hearsay. Yeah. That if you marry one of those Indian gals, you know, with the dot on the forehead Yeah. On your wedding night, you get to scratch that off and you may win a seven eleven.
[01:59:23] Unknown:
Well, Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I I haven't heard that, Roger, and I have no if not one way or the other. Now I mean, do not hearsay.
[01:59:33] Unknown:
Now do not do not you in Petalisco out and and go to indianzonely.com. That is that is not your place.
[01:59:43] Unknown:
Mister Patel will be able to in the desert
[01:59:47] Unknown:
Go ahead. In the in the desert, you use water to survive, not necessarily the bait. You may not have enough left over to bait. I think the football is there. Too.
[01:59:56] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Thank you. But I know that's what, that's what Patton said. He walked in that synagogue with a stench. It was so bad it made him wanna vomit.
[02:00:05] Unknown:
Well, there's certainly I get it, Roger. And I there's certain places I wanna stay away from. As I got older, I stay away from them more, and that's centers of false religion because they are dangerous. I mean, not just various. I'm talking physically dangerous. That's been my observation. Yep. They may they may go cleanliness ritual, but they aren't practicing what we call cleanliness.
[02:00:26] Unknown:
No. Well, we come to the end of another one of our versions here. We'll put it in the can. And, as always, it's just a wonderful two hours with you, and whatever comes up, we talk about. So, and we appreciate your input and helping us tie all of this back to spirituality because it's a spiritual battle. Okay? So, love you and appreciate you, Brent, and we'll see you next week. Hopefully, nothing comes up between between now and then. Roger, thanks. Well, it's always a pleasure. I look forward to it. I know the audience does too.
So, we'll, clear out. Brynn will be over on Patriot Soapbox tomorrow opposite me here with whoever, and, you can check a video, on either one if you miss it, and we'll look for you next week or tomorrow. One of the two. So thanks. Okay. I guess that ends us there, Paul.
[02:01:24] Unknown:
Roger.
[02:01:25] Unknown:
Yes. Larry.
[02:01:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering if I could ask Brent a question.
[02:01:31] Unknown:
Why didn't you ask him a minute ago when I called for it? Were you not able to? No. I I'm working. So I know. Is he still there? Yeah. Of course, he's still here. Yeah. Brent Larry's got something for you. Hello, Larry.
[02:01:47] Unknown:
Hey. So, yesterday on the after show, we're talking about traffic. And, one of the, one of the students brought up this, what's known as the necessity defense or the law of necessity. And there's a lot of students on this platform that believe that you if if you get a driver's license that you are actually being forced to get it, and if you get a traffic citation, or end up in court, you can claim the necessity defense. And I totally disagree with that, and here's why. Because this is what a necessity defense is, and this is according to California law. It says, in criminal law, a necessity defense claims the actor's illegal conduct was the necessary lesser of two evils in a situation threatening specific harm to the actor or others.
According to California jury instructions, a successful necessity defense must prove and it it lists six elements, and all of these elements must be present in the situation. And if it's missing one, you know, it it it just you can't apply it. So the first one is the actor acted to prevent injury to the actor or someone else. The second one is the actor had no reasonable alternative. The third one, the actor did not create greater danger than the danger avoided. Fourth, the actor actually believed the illegal conduct was necessary to prevent the threatened harm or evil.
Fifth, a reasonable person would have also believed the illegal conduct was necessary in the circumstances. And then finally, the actor did not substantially contribute to the emergency. And then it goes on to say, most jurisdictions follow similar elements, but some also include a proportionality element between the harm threatened and the illegal conduct. Necessity defenses will not apply if the actor acted with a different intent than to avoid harm, had a reasonable alternative, had no influence on the threatened harm, or failed any of the other elements. A necessity defense is an affirmative defense and a justification defense.
So do you agree with me that this doesn't apply to being what what students would say being forced to get a driver's license?
[02:04:20] Unknown:
That doesn't apply. I agree. That didn't apply. No.
[02:04:29] Unknown:
Okay. And, also, do you agree that if you did get a traffic citation that you cannot apply the necessity defense to that situation?
[02:04:40] Unknown:
Well, there might be a situation where somebody jumps in a car without a driver's license. Take somebody to the excuse me. Take somebody to the hospital in an emergency. That might apply. It might apply there.
[02:04:57] Unknown:
Exactly. I've heard that example before. Okay. I just wanna see what you thought thought about it.
[02:05:04] Unknown:
Alright. Brent, are you are you eating lunch? I sometimes Brent will eat eat with us. We'll share bread with him. So well, and what? Are we at are we at the circus? Is that a Calliope or what? Okay. Well, Brent, go eat some lunch or something. I know you were hiccup and having a hard time. So, why don't you go? What what you well, I said, were you eating? It sounded like you were eating a little bit. Are you coughing or hiccuping?
[02:05:45] Unknown:
Yeah, I was.
[02:05:48] Unknown:
I got the hiccups. They couldn't stop, but I'm okay. All right. I thought somebody's going to have to come apply the Heimrich maneuver or something. Okay. Well, listen, buddy. I know you got things to do. We appreciate you, and, we'll look for you next week or in betwixt. If you don't have a church home, Sunday's, Patriot Soapbox is a good two hour time spent with mister Brent again. And I think you said you're into Exodus now on going through every book of the Bible.
[02:06:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Exodus chapter 21. Yeah. We're working our way through it. And you may not no matter what, I think it would be stimulating to your thinking if if you wanna listen. And all of those also well, come on Sunday morning, go to the website, commonlawyer.com, and, you can see how you can see how to click on the links and and listen.
[02:06:46] Unknown:
Navigate your way over there. Once you go get your throat cleared, and we'll look for you next week. Okay? Next week. Thank you, Audrey. Yeah. Appreciate you. Hold on. Mer, is that you?
[02:06:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know what else is going on, but yeah. Before you run away, hiccup cure. It's easier said than done, but hold your breath and swallow three times. You will be rid of the hiccups.
[02:07:11] Unknown:
Well, I'm gonna try that. Of course, if I could stop hiccuping long enough to do it, but here's the other thing. When I was a kid, they used to tell us, you got the hiccups, pour yourself a glass of water and drink it backwards. Have you heard that one?
[02:07:27] Unknown:
No. I haven't heard that. But this will work this definitely works because what's happened is you swallowed air. So what you wanna do is swallow without air three times.
[02:07:37] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, thanks, Murr. I'm okay now, though. Yeah. Boy, there's nothing more here than me. Just a gen just a general point for everyone.
[02:07:50] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Murr.
[02:07:54] Unknown:
Alright. Okay. How do you swallow?
[02:07:56] Unknown:
See you next week. How do you what, Rick? Swallow what?
[02:08:02] Unknown:
How do you swallow backwards?
[02:08:05] Unknown:
Well, you instead of drinking out on the front side of the glass, you put your mouth on the backside as it faces you, and you lean forward and drink it that way.
[02:08:15] Unknown:
Sounds like a sure cure to me.
[02:08:19] Unknown:
Well, I didn't say it. Used to work for me. Alright.
[02:08:22] Unknown:
Thank you, Brent. As always, tell Francine hello we miss her, and we'll see you next week. Okay? Alright, pal. And, I'm Van Moosen too. Paul, we we need to set up some I know you got all that stuff that happened last night, but at some point, maybe over the weekend or later today or something, we can set this stupid magicJack up and play with it. Okay? Well, look. He's off messing with his stuff now. I'll I'll drop you an email. Well, we're all discombobulated here. Okay. Thanks, kids. Hope you got something out of the show today. We'll look for you tomorrow. Maybe Mark will be with us, if he's got his little situation cleaned up a little bit.
So have a wonderful day. Ciao.
Technical Troubles and Introductions
The Importance of Purpose and Radio's Role
Brent Winters Joins: Spontaneity in Radio
Religious Discussions and Patriot Mythology
Trust and Faith in Action
King James Bible and Translation Debates
Sports, Culture, and Personal Reflections
Historical Figures and Military Insights
Cleanliness, Culture, and Religion
