In this episode, we delve into the complexities of the agricultural industry, focusing on the challenges faced by farmers in maintaining organic and non-GMO practices amidst stringent regulations and market pressures. We explore the story of Joel Salatin, a prominent advocate for sustainable farming. The discussion highlights the broader issues of government control over the food supply and the difficulties farmers encounter in finding markets for non-GMO products. Additionally, the episode touches on the intricacies of the financial system, explaining how loans are structured and the role of promissory notes in creating credit. We discuss the implications of the bond market and the potential for economic shifts, emphasizing the importance of understanding the financial mechanisms that underpin the economy. The conversation also includes insights into the historical context of agricultural policies and the ongoing struggle for farmers to maintain independence and profitability.
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We're gonna change it. We're gonna change it, chillin's. We're taking another stab at it here today on the August 7. I was just telling Paul it's That means 08/07/2025. Here you are looking for freedom at the Radio Ranch, and Roger Sales is here to help deliver to you. If, if you're willing and open and you really want freedom, I believe we can help you achieve that. I would take another stab at it anyway. At this point, we bring mister Bean around, who's having some confusion a little bit this morning, I think, to, identify the folks that help us out and help us extend our reach and all that stuff. And I'm pretty sure, unfortunately, Alan's probably not with us today.
But one of these days, pretty soon, he may show up, so you never know. Anyway, Paul, could you do that duty if you would, please?
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Yes. Yes. I can do that. Okay. Yeah. I I just had a remote control failure of the, of the machine that manages the show, so I had to start it live from its console. So it may not have happened at exactly the top of the hour. If it didn't, I apologize. No. You're no. You're right on the nose, man. I was kinda blind there. Still can't see what's going on, so don't do anything illegal, immoral, or fattening anyone. Anyways, we're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to Paul, our buddy, across the pond. We're also on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. That address is radio.globalvoiceradio.net.
However, it's entirely unnecessary if you just go to the matrixdocs.com. The matrixd0cs.com. You'll find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. You'll also find the Eurofocal Global Voice links. You'll find downloadables, exhibits, resources, interviews, veritable plethora of things. You may just think like you're getting a drink out of a fire hose after you hit that website. And Well, a lot of new folks that come around here, I'm sure go through that, and,
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there's no way you can help it. You know? And you've, if many of you have had that idea throughout your, preceding years, at some stage, if something's wrong, Probably have it more than I did back in the sixties, but I could sense it back then. And you start something's wrong, and you go back to your life and this, that, and the other, and all of a sudden, bam, one day, you confront it somehow, cross paths with it. And, many some of you, anyway, are guided here, and we're more than happy to receive you. To us, you're, one of the chosen. We're the chosen people, the big g god. They're, chosen by the small g god.
And, it's and for those of you who are new, you can prove that. I can anyway with, back in 2008 during the high housing crisis and, Lloyd Blankfein, who was in the head of Goldman Sachs, got up in a public forum and and somebody I don't remember if somebody asked him about it or he just included it, and he said, we're doing God's work. And the whole audience, oh, and the the newspapers the next day have capital g God. He knew which God he was talking about. He knew plain well which God he was talking about, and they go back to the synagogue, and they just whoop it up, boy.
Yeah. How does dumb go? Yeah. We put it right in front of them. Well, that's no longer the case here, at least at this little patch of ground. Samuel, was that you?
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Yes, sir. I think we got some ripe fruit to pick. I mean, I've been watching Joel Salatin now for, you know, a couple of years. Uh-huh.
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And tell our audience, there's people who might not know who he is. You gotta give a little background to the new folks.
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Joel, is called also the lunatic farmer, and he's got a a where he's communicating with people. For the testifies in front of Congress about the plight of the farmings in America mostly and how everything they wanna do is illegal. And just recently, they they tried PMAs, and the government sent agents out to trick them into selling them something without the paperwork. So now they're being charged. Mm-mm. And I just sent them a a a little comment to them. And they're used to solve world. You know, you wanna drop Wait.
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Wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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Call you. Samuel. Samuel. Samuel.
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Yeah. Get up higher on the ladder or get closer to a window or whatever. You're clipping in and out, and we really wanna hear what you're saying. So get you get yourself in a better position and start over.
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Yes.
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Alright. Start over. Oh my god.
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Well, you know, we we tried to get a word in edgewise, but, obviously, you couldn't hear us trying to tell you you were clipping. So
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Okay.
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Is this better? It seems to be. Yeah. Am I clipping?
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It won't know till you start. Alright. Alright.
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Let's see about Joe Salatin. He's, called a lunatic farmer. He has successfully built a very organic farming system. He's all over the country out trying to help farmers because, basically he wrote a book, everything we wanna do, along with many other papers is illegal because trying to go organic and doing things simply without regulation, etcetera, is a problem for the farmers. Now recently, they tried a PMA, and they sent government agents out to trick these people into selling them something without the paperwork, and now they're under charges. So that was the topic for today on his site.
And they used the sovereignty word in there, and I told them drop the s word because they're gonna call you a terrorist. If you're gonna do the PMA, it'd be better if you did it by by not being a fourteenth amendment citizen and changing your status to a state citizen or what we call a national. And I left it at that, but if more of us would contact Joel, get on that site, and tell him more about Roger, we could have that whole farming community, which is gonna be a lot of people doing this
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and getting themselves some freedom and getting us some decent food. Well, that would, throw a hitch in their giddy up. That's for sure. But, you know, mister Salzen was told about this about a year ago by, Thor's husband, Ed, Okay. Who's, who is an anesthesiologist, but he's also up there that meeting they had about a year ago, maybe over, and he told him about this. So he's been exposed to it. Okay. But if you guys wanna go to his website It's like
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the first time you hear something, Roger, not necessarily
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just do the screening. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. I was gonna say if the listeners would go to the website and leave a message similar to yours, maybe it would hammer that home. So what is it that you're you're a resistible farmer? What's his website?
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He's called the lunatic farmer, Joel Salatin. You should be able to find his blog, which I think it's a blog. You know, I one of my problems is I'm not technical in this area. People like, Paul and, you know, maybe, Julie, if, they could start sending him stuff and telling him where to go and all that, you know, that all that would start to help.
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Well, he all I can say is he's been introduced to it before, to my knowledge.
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Yeah. But he's a big fish. I think we should we should we should be putting our best lures out there and try to roll him in here because that farming community is desperate. Okay. Well name again, Samuel? Joel Salatin.
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Salatin. How did spell the last name?
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Sal, s a l t I, Tin t I n, Salat Sallaw, l a t I n.
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S a l a t I n. I think he's up in Joe. Think he's in Joel.
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J o e l. Okay. And, it's he also goes by the lunatic farmer. This guy has testified in front of Congress about the plight of these farmers, and all the regulations that's killing natural food in this country and destroying these farm families. I mean, he's he's perfect. The the farming the the biggest problem with farmers is they're they're so independent thinking, that I don't think they can think outside the box sometimes. I mean, it's it's it's hard to describe. I grew up on a dairy farm in the Midwest, and, joining an organization is not really what a farmer wants to do. You know?
They they try to do a lot of things by themselves, but, they're gonna have to be part of a group like this if they're gonna find their freedom in farming
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because the fruit of the chickens are killing them. Yeah. Do you have his email?
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I got his website address. It's called thelunaticfarmer.com.
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I I know the website. Does anybody have his email?
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Does they know I think if you go to that site that Julie's talking about, then you can get on his blog. I I I'm doing his blog. It's not necessarily, I guess, an email. But he he puts out a message. Sometimes they're once a month. Sometimes they're once a week. It it just depends on where he's traveling. He's he's on the road all the time. He's all over this country. He really knows the plight of the farmer.
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Okay. If you go to the lunaticfarmer.com, it has a contact, and you have to fill out a form. It doesn't have his email address, but my inkling would be you could email him and and type in Joel@thelunaticfarmer, hit enter, type in JoelSalatin@thelunaticfarmer, type jsalatin@thelunaticfarmer, do every combination of the email address, which I oftentimes do, and I get one hit out of that.
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The subject line could be subject to the jurisdiction thereof on everybody's email. Hey, Roger.
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Yes. I think I'm still here. Yes.
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Yes. Christian.
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Hey, Christian.
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Hey, I I had a incident. I I made three by six, banners on my land. I put no Paraquat, no Roundup, absolutely none. No chemicals sprayed on my property. Cause I had a guy spraying my fence line three foot over my fence line with, with Roundup and, I'm in the country and, I get a call. I get a, one day I get a, about, I'll put them on the front and side of my fence and a red, red, yellow, and black. And I get a, big guy with a cowboy hat, pause me about halfway up. My property said, Hey buddy, I need to talk to you. And I said, okay, I'll be over there. And I'm limping. Cause I've been, I've been injured in, in, years ago on, with, chemicals at my, at my job.
And, so I got over there and I had a walking stick and he says, yeah, I've got a problem with you. And I said, he said, he said, you own this property? I said, yeah. He said, these are your signs. I said, yeah. And, he says, I said, what's the problem, sir? He says, well, you got my name on that sign. I said, I don't think so. He says, I'm sheriff. I'm the sheriff. And I said, I said, well, you see me limping out here. I said, this is from a chemical fire. And when I worked at the waterfront in the port and I said, you know, I said, agent orange was so used all the time and our boys was, injured from there.
And, he said, he says, I don't care what you put on that sign, but take my name off. I said, well, I already put it in the court. And, and, and it's been signed, but, and, and, and stamped and file stamped and everything about this. And he says, I told you, I don't care. You seem like a pretty nice guy. I said, yeah, but I said, my kids are involved with this. They could get, they could get, poison from this stuff, through the corn, through the crops there. They don't want one blade of, weed and this, and this field and their fields.
And I said, they're spraying their fields and they're bragging about doing it every year. And I said, it's poison in our food. He said, again, I will tell you, take my name off there. I said, okay, sir. I said, I'm not going to get rid of my sign. He said, no, take a marker, a black marker. Anyway, you're going to take a knife and cut it out of there. I said, well, you you're the, you're the highest, authority in this land. Aren't you in our counties? He said, yes, I am. I said, well, don't you, don't you have, a little, worry about us getting that in our food.
You seem like a nice guy. So just do what I said. I said, okay, sir. So I took about a week and I scratch it out of there. Scratch it out of there. How did you have his name on the sign? He said, sheriff's. He said, my name is sheriff. And they told me his last name.
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Okay. That wasn't the answer to my question. How did you have sheriff on the sign?
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Oh, oh, because I put it into the, court and I put it in, the, TCQ. Also, I had to seek you on there as Texas environmental on there because I, I talked to them and they, they okayed it. But I, because I put it into the court and and the and the, and the op and the, courthouse in in paperwork about not putting that. And I just, I put by order of the sheriff because he's, you know, he was, oh, okay. I gotcha.
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I got a quest I got a, a comment here. I just sent the lunatic farmer a, message through his website. And as soon as I hit send, I got a message back that says, thank you for contacting the lunatic farmer. We are glad to pass your message on to him. You can also send an email to wendy, wendy,@polyfacefarm.com. And that's p o l y f a c e f a r m dot com. Poly face farm dot com.
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Okay. Julie, go over that. Go over that again slowly so people can pick it up again if you would, please? Excuse me, Roger.
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Excuse me, Roger. The email is [email protected]. The [email protected].
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Thank you. Alright. Well, this other one came in that message, and it must be just copy this other email. You might wanna copy this other email, so I'll go over that again. It's windy, w, e as in echo, n as in Nancy, d as in dog, y as in yes at and it's polyfacefarm.com@pasinPaul,oasinoctopus,lasinLucy,yasinyes,fasinFrank,aasinapple,casincat,easinecho,fasinfunny,aasinapple,rasinRomeo,masinmother,.com. So maybe that's great news. Maybe we we do the [email protected] and copy Wendy on that email as well. Yep. Julie,
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what I think what I'm on, I'm I'm I just sorta checked the email, is the lunatic farmer dot com, and that I'm getting a blog from him on a regular basis that you can comment into. So that's what I'm using. Yep. And supports that we get on. So
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Thank you. I'm gonna join it. I saw the blog.
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Yeah. I think he's right up the road from you. Just a second, please. I think he's right up the road from you, Julie. Isn't he in the Shenandoah Valley area? Yeah. He's in there somewhere. So he's one of your native Virginians, Julie.
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Yeah. I think that's a little bit away from me, but I wouldn't have a problem going and meeting with him if he wanted to meet with me. Okay. Well, he's, a It's called Polyphase Farms. That's the name of the farm. And he he supplies
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a lot of natural restaurants.
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Wow. And, Wendy might be his wife. So
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Alright. Now somebody else is saying comment, please. Who was it? It's a brisk conversation starting this morning. Who's that? Is that Tom? That's Tom d, I think. That's me. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Yep.
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Yeah. Hey. Just for future reference, there's a program that I use. It's called melissa.com, just like it sounds, and the woman's name melissa.com. You get a free subscription there. They give you a thousand points to do email searches. And what you can do is if you have, you know, an inkling of somebody's what an email address might be, you can put that into their into their tool that they have on the site. You could put, like, [email protected], and it will tell you whether it's a valid email address or not and what the chances of it being delivered, you know, sometime because I have sometimes I have to email people, and I have no idea what their email address is.
And, you know, you can do j smith smith john john dot smith, you know, all kinds of different permutations, and it's like three points per search. So you can get 333 cert free searches a month. Melissa.com, it's a really great tool. So if you have an idea what the domain name is, you can do different, permutations of the person's name and try to find a valid email address. So There you go. Like you guys already did, but figured I would add that so that in the future, if you're looking for somebody an email address for somebody, this tool will tell you whether it's valid or not. I mean, you can just try it and it'll bounce, but, you know, sometimes and sometimes in bigger domains, not like Gmail or whatnot, but like a company's domain, they will have what's called a catch all email address, and they'll have it on the server because that's what I used to do.
And it will it will grab every email going to that domain and dump it into a mailbox that the administrator or somebody will look at. But info at a info at whatever domain, customer service at whatever domain. There's a bunch of different, the ones I use are legal at, you know, whatever domain because of the lawsuits that I filed, but, and notices. But that's a really great tool. So, anybody ever needs it, just go there. It's really great. Okay? Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Good evening. Roger,
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regarding the gentleman who was complaining about, you know, pesticides on his property, the, and herbicides. Joel keeps you up on what the new regulations are, and about a week ago, he put out a blog that all of the regulations and he compared it to being like COVID. Instead of for the pharmaceutical business, it's gonna be for the pet for the pesticide and herbicide businesses, the big chemical companies. Basically, the Trump administration is gonna allow them now to only be regulated basically by whether the EPA says it's okay or not to use an herbicide or a pesticide.
So he says it's gonna be everything's gonna get used. Everything's gonna get approved, and this stuff is gonna be everywhere. And, you know, it's good to follow this guy in order to know this stuff is coming so that maybe it can be protested. But, he's he's comparing it to because what they're gonna do is there's there's not gonna be any ramifications for anybody's health problems, just like in COVID, is basically what he was saying when you get a herbicide or a pesticide poison.
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Well, it seems to me from the way you told this whole story that the problem is that the damn farmer didn't adhere to the PMA rules and make these people sign something before he sold something to him. There's the problem right there. They tricked him, Roger.
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They sent agents out there, and and they got one person. And then they it was sort of like a child going to a mother and father and trying to get the answer they want. Well, that's alright.
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If the guy was if the guy was if he set up a PMA and he was told the rules and he didn't follow through, it's his fault. In my eyes
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Whatever. Okay. Well Well, I've I You got governments you got government funding agents to go out and trick citizens.
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I don't I I can't stand for that either. Well, what do you mean, man? They put the who is the cooking gal they put in jail for lying to the FBI twenty years ago? You know, this is Stewart. Yeah. This is not something new. Okay? But the point is if we teach them how to be nationals, are they gonna know how to do that too and follow through? That's my question. K?
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So, anyway, if I can Well, this is after this this farm this farm went through all the hoops. You you read the blog. I mean No. I cannot. I'm not gonna go family farm has been generations in business serving the public, filling all of the requirements of the government, but then they realized the government made them run through all kinds of hoops and problems and this and that and never intended to give them a license. So they finally said screw it, and they went to PMA way. They were doing that just fine, but then the government sent out agents to trick them into giving them something without a piece of paperwork, which the agent told them lies in so in order for that to happen. So that this is what we're dealing with. You know?
Unscrupulous
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people who would do anything. I'm sorry. There's nothing new, Samuel. It's been going on for a long time. Say Roger? Yes.
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Yeah. This is Dwayne. Dwayne. You know, I told you the all y'all the other day. Good morning. I told all y'all the other day about the hassle I've been having with the cops and surveillance and what have you for Yeah. Over nineteen years. Right. I a couple of months ago, maybe about, I don't know, six, eight months ago, whatever it was, I plugged in a quick search to find out, about how the police can lie to you. And I it took me maybe twenty minutes to find I forget, eight I've got it at my computer. Eight or nine court cases. I think a cup at least one, but I think two were Supreme Court cases that allow the police to lie to you, on interrogation.
And as far as I'm concerned, anytime you're talking to a policing agent, you are being interrogated even if it's just to ask about the sunshine and the weather. So just beware, and they can do this to US citizens all day long because their privileges and immunities in my studies can be changed at the whim of whomever is the government agent. Now you can argue with it, but there's court cases up to the Supreme Court validating lying under interrogation to anybody.
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Let me flip that. There's a case from the forties called Federal Crop Insurance v Merrill. Have you ever heard of that case, Samuel? Federal Crop Insurance v Merrill? Okay. Anyway, what that case says is any even if they come and identify Roger.
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Oh
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god. Even if they come and identify themselves to you, it's still your duty to verify who they are. Now who said, hey, Roger right there? Was that Waeeb?
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Yeah. Yes. It was. Yes. It is, Roger. What about the the the new thing that the government can, that you they don't have to tell you about about the food. They can the food regulation, they think it it could be fake food, and it it could be legitimate. Something about that.
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Okay. Well, I don't know anything about that. But,
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they can lie to you that you can like the GMO that sounds like the GMO lab grown stuff, and they don't have to put anything on the label to identify what's going on as far as how much is GMO, how much is actually lab grown. And, I mean, this is just it's gotten insane. So it's up to us to be able to, you know, to protect ourselves. And my
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observations and Everything falls on you, especially after you go through this change in your national. And they still may be infringed on it, still falls back on you. Okay?
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Well, one of the questions I'm gonna be looking into soon, and I've been thinking about how to do it, is, like, all these f d all these pesticides that just to keep it on pesticides that are being sprayed on the food. If I'm a national, shouldn't I be able to or couldn't I be be able to go sue the FDA for harming me?
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You know, Dwayne, I don't know. I mean, I could. I I believe you got standing because you're an American even in a district court if you're bringing the moving party.
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But I these are things I just don't know. Honestly, we've never I I don't know either. That's what I've been doing. To me recently. So but, anyway, I that's all I got. Thank you, guys.
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And I would think also to do so at your state level versus federal because your state is who is responsible for protecting you. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. I agree.
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Yeah. Yes. Is that somebody else? Better have a lot of
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Like, can we please You better have a lot of slave tokens if you plan on suing them.
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Okay. Yep. Hey, Roger. Yeah. Well, there's Gary. Yes, sir Gary.
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Let's connect some dots here. In 09/2007 when the FDA Act was passed, it plainly states man or other animals, basically calling man animals. That's the first thing. Second thing, if you read the labor labor code, it justifies around article 40, I believe. It justifies any action the ruling government takes to subdue the possible the the public is legal. It's right in the code, and we all know we've been at war since the civil war in one form or the other. So, therefore, connect the dots. Everything they're doing is is legal. We may not like it. It may not be lawful,
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but it is legal legal. Yep. Well, that's their statement at the That's all I got. That's, their statement at the,
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time of weapons for I think the bottom line is Joel is is the kind of guy we we could bring on, and he but but he's skeptical. I can tell that in this last blog that he did, he's sort of pointing at that PMA. Well, it didn't really work either. Sort of what he's getting at because they tricked them, and they're lawless. So why should we think that any of this paperwork's gonna work? See, that's where he I think his thinking is at. So we gotta we gotta change that. You know? That's what I'm saying.
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Okay. Well, you know what I've learned over many years, Sam, you can't beat people up with this. You can put it in front of them. If they don't respond, you can go back and try and water the seed. But people the the people that are here on this show are here because they wanna be here. Whether they know what the information is accurate or not, they think there's something here worth, listening to, and they're here. This whole thing that we do has got to be an attraction deal. It ain't a submission deal. Now I've learned that painfully the hard way. K?
So, anyway, he he's been presented with the information, I believe, at a at a meal at his place up there with one of his meetings a year or two ago with Thor's husband, Ed, who's pretty authoritative. He's an anesthesiologist. Okay? And he said he presented him with it, if I remember correctly, and we've never had an inquiry. So I can understand people's skepticism. I've been dealing with that since we started. You know? Oh, it can't be that easy. Well, yeah, it is. It's easy if you understand the scam that's behind it. You can see why it's that easy and it works. But if you're not willing to sit down and listen to all that and absorb it, you'd really have that this can't work attitude. It's not the first time I've come across it. I can tell you that. So I don't know. The only thing I know is I put the message out and the people that are attracted to it come. And the people that aren't, I don't chase anymore.
And I'm not telling you not to drop him some emails. I'm just telling you what I've learned over decades doing this. I know it's frustrating. Well, man. But that's the way it is. You can't yeah. If you try and beat somebody up with this and force it on them, you're gonna you're gonna destroy a relationship if you've got one. And and you may never hear from those people again. Okay? And I've experienced that. So I'm just telling you the kind of what I've come to understand is the rules of the road here. Yes. Marca, good morning.
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Morning. The the paperwork corrects the presumption, and this is for Samuel for what he said, how is this paperwork gonna protect us. It corrects the presumption. It's up to us to learn the information and carry ourselves with that authority and empowerment of knowledge. We have to learn the information. That's what's gonna
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that's what protects us. It's us. If you've got a PMA the paperwork. If you got a PMA, people have got to join the PMA to buy stuff from you before it works. This guy didn't do that for whatever reason, Samuel. So it seems like the education wasn't put properly into place for the people that were, going on this path of a VMA. Just like this, you gotta be just like where we are. You you know? And I'm sorry it happened to the guy. I understand most of them are rats. I I I know all that, but it's still on to you because he didn't insist they do a paperwork thing before he sold or gave whatever he gave to him. That's what it seems like to me. K?
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Yes. I'd like to put in that, I was talking to a really well educated man that dealt in and still deals in gold, silver, and precious metals, and he knows how a cow eats a cabbage to a degree. And when I proposed this national, status stuff to him, he said, that's all good, good and well, but I don't wanna put a target on my back. Because he felt that, you know, sending the secretary of state and all these other guys, you know, your notice Right. Was just putting a target on his back, and he was afraid of it. I because he didn't understand the information. Thousand, it sounds like he got Randy Weyward.
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Because he didn't understand the situation the the information, and I can understand where people have that attitude. You know? It's just a piece of paper. That's what I hear people say, for years. Well, it works. It works. And there's millions of us. And the more of us that we can find and bring into the fold, the better chance we've got. But if you understand the background here, you understand why they've got the power. They tricked you into giving it to them. All you're doing is taking it away. And no matter what your friend thinks, how intelligent he is or anything else, it this works. And the reason it works is because they don't have all that power without you giving it to them.
It's just a big scam. It's all it is. K? And I understand why people are have that attitude. So okay. Well, whatever. I can't help you. This is what it is. There's never been in fifteen years, not one backlash from the federal government. Not one. I think at least there's two been I think I've been responsible for at least over 2,000,000 of these things being submitted to the federal government. Why do I say that? Why do I Because hello? Can I finish my what I'm saying, please? Because when John and Glenn were getting prosecuted There's an echo, Roger. Please. Can we please, people? God. Oh my god. Because when John and Glenn were getting prosecuted in Salt Lake City, it wasn't e I can tell you. I can promise you it wasn't a tax deal with what they were doing because if they're coming after you with a tax problem, they always, a l w a y s, bring in a tax specialist from the Department of Justice. They have their own little tax deal, and there's it's always gonna be a Jew, and and he just count on it. But they didn't have that. They had a US attorney that was handling the case because they were just trying to get these guys off the street. Okay?
And after they were out, and Glenn and I were able to talk more, and, he said the US attorney stood up in open court and said the IRS had received over 100,000 of those affidavits. The five page one that we started out with. The 1,200 people paid to file, and the IRS had received over a 100,000. Well, there's your patriot community right there. K? So if they had, in a short period of time, 12,000 blossomed into a 100,030 ago, I promise you directly or indirectly that I've been responsible for over 2,000,000. K? Just based on that premise of what Glenn told me.
So they're well aware of this up there. There's never been one blowback. They don't give me send your passport back and say we they give you a bluff letter occasionally, not often, to see if you know your stuff because you're Roger. You're treading on taking away all their power. They understand it. It's our people like this guy that have been cowered into the corner. Well, it doesn't matter. They're gonna do whatever they want. And that's just not true. Okay? Now they may think that. You may not be able to get that thought out of their head, but plant the seed and go find somebody else is what I'm telling you. Okay. Samuel and Mirka are both one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Go let Samuel go in because he's the one that started all this. Go ahead, Samuel.
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Yep. Roger, one thing we gotta remember is and this is a big problem they don't wanna lose. The communist and the socialist started on farming and the food supply first. Of course. And this is something that's key, and we should see it the same way and get them back where they belong, and that's to make their own decisions on how to supply us clean food. That's all they wanna do.
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Okay. I yield. America?
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Roger, the the thing is people put that affidavit in and think I mean, yes. It is protecting us because it's removing the presumption. But it's not
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unless you can defend it.
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It ain't doing shit like you can't do anything. Gonna say. That's what I was gonna say. It's up to us to learn the information, understand the words that we they are using, and what words we can use against them
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and to protect ourselves, to be a belligerent claimant. Okay. Do you see why I hammer on education, education, learn the information? Because the farmer there that had the PMA didn't learn the information, and he got tricked. They're right. I don't believe they can do that. What to you I don't believe they can do that. God almighty. Please. You don't I don't believe they can do that to us. Okay? But still, it's a very instructive example.
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Okay? Now You have to understand what words what
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we have to know the words that are being used. That's our sword. That's our power. What what did I tell you? You're only as free as your ability to defend your position. How many times have I told you that? Umpteen?
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Yep.
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Roger, actually, you know, Joel obviously needs an education in that. I don't think those people really got to him very well because he's using the sovereignty word in his last blog. Well, I have no I have I have nothing to do with that. I I don't know about Joel. I don't know how what was said. I don't know how he took what was said. Ed was relatively new. I don't know how well he explained what was said. I just know the information was presented to him in some way, shape, or form, Samuel. And it's not my duty to go chasing these people. It's my duty to find the people that are receptive to this and to grow this that way. I I just don't go chasing people anymore.
[00:41:47] Unknown:
All I'm saying, Roger, is it an opportunity, and if more of us were to get on his blog and pull him your way, he's gonna get here. It just has to have Okay. More people than just me. Alright. Well, according to Samuel, if you wanna participate in that, please do.
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K? Please do.
[00:42:05] Unknown:
I I think we can learn some things from this. First of all, Gary was absolutely correct. And under the Trading with the Enemy Act, they can engage in disinformation at any time. They don't have to tell their adversary what they're doing before they do it. So Ask the stewards. So when those guys walked in, walked onto that farm, and lied to them, and said, oh, come on. You can sell it to me. I won't tell anyone. That was engaging in disinformation for the purposes of conducting an investigation, and they screwed up. There there needed to be a zero tolerance policy for selling outside the PMA because he fell to the luck of law enforcement.
And the luck of law enforcement states, it might as well be a maxim of maxim of law. Anybody that operates outside the scope of the law has to be lucky 100% of the time. Law enforcement only needs to be lucky once, and that once is what screwed him. Okay.
[00:43:19] Unknown:
Okay. I'm not I don't I've got no problem with you guys flooding this guy with email. But I'm just telling you as an overall principle, very very rarely have I seen it work. You've gotta find people who are interested in this. Remember, it's easier to pull a rope than to push a rope. If you don't believe me, try. Roger, these are farmers.
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These are farmers. If you if you get one successful can't differentiate
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between who's gonna receive the information, Samuel. I can't differentiate that.
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Well, and and the point isn't whether they tricked them or not. The point is they need to be nationals, and then they don't have to worry about it nearly as much. K. Well, I can't make them do it. If somebody can get to them, great. We'll we'll just talking about making them do it. We're having some we gotta get him in contact with that. Talking about exactly how it is in our conversation. That's what we need. Get him to do it. It's exactly what you're talking about. And that's why I'm suggesting that we we email him and and have him understand our position.
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Okay. I got no problem with that. Dave, what do you because I don't think he does.
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When I read when if you read his last blog today I'm sorry, Roger. I'm losing my voice. But if you read his last blog, you know, it's it's a it's it's a bit of misunderstanding about because he's using sovereignty and so he's, you know, he's he's really not there. And he needs to be because I know his heart is. I know his mind is. I know farmers. These are perfect people to be doing this. Perfect.
[00:44:59] Unknown:
Well, you better check talk to Michael. He's around here all the time. He's a finer. He can't sleep at night thinking about the IRS. Out of his own mouth. Said they
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they've been they've been a project from from day one to, you know, be regulated to the point where the government controls the food supply. Yeah. That's what it's all about. Uh-huh.
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Well, I guess you also need some Samuel,
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a little advice from My 2¢ is we need to target these people more in the winter when it's their downtime, and they can put more time into the research and learning the info. Okay.
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So Maybe. But I think if we, more of us got on that blog and got them to Roger, then we'd be doing something, I think, that could really move the numbers here. That's all. To overlook the farmers, I think, is a mistake.
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But but there is one thing. Just being Wow. A national is not gonna save their bacon because if they're doing business with people that the government has a property right into, they're still stepping in a big load of dung. They need national status and the PMA, and don't ever let that PMA fall.
[00:46:20] Unknown:
Gotta be both. Yeah. What they actually did the way they tricked them is they talked to one of the persons telling them that they already filled out the paperwork for the product, convinced them of that by coming back several times, and got them to sell them something. That was the shtick. So
[00:46:40] Unknown:
Hi, Roger. Paul.
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Morning, Shane. Hi. There are not too many farmers in San Jose, are there?
[00:46:50] Unknown:
Then there may be a couple. More towards Gilroy and, Morgan Hill, but not right here in Saratoga. Okay.
[00:47:03] Unknown:
So how can we help you this morning, Shane? You got something to add to this discussion?
[00:47:08] Unknown:
I would like to ask the same from you. What would you like me to do? What needs to be, put into place, and therefore, what is the remedy?
[00:47:21] Unknown:
Well, Shane, if that well, according to Samuel, we maybe we barrage these people with messages. You may get a couple of them. You may. You may not. I don't know. The what I know is I deal with people that come to me. I don't go chasing people. I'm not saying you don't do that. It might be fruitful. It might bear some fruit. But my experience is I just don't chase people anymore. K? I deal with Roger. Todd and and Terry and and and Gigi and the new folks here that are chomping at the bit to learn about this. Those are the ones I I service.
Okay. Shane, hold on. Hold on. Thanks, Shane. Alright. You're welcome, Shane. Was that Robbie? Who was that?
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Yes, sir. I wanted to ask Samuel, does the lunatic farmer have a podcast that Roger could be on? I does anyone know?
[00:48:19] Unknown:
Probably not. I don't I don't know that. I alls I alls I've been communicating with, is his blog, which is on I think it's luna thelunaticfarmer.com. I I think that's that's a start, though. You could certainly I mean, not my forte is this technological world and how it works, and Joel's no young man either. But, you know, he talks to thousands and thousands and thousands of people. He testifies in front of congress. This is the kind of guy, if you get him on your side, he can move mountains.
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Ifs, big words. Bruce. Morning, Bruce. You got some contribution here? Howdy, howdy.
[00:49:02] Unknown:
I do. If he doesn't see this in his soul, plus his mind, he will be lost as he'll be lost though. Because when I did this, it took me twenty years to find your information and understand it right off the bat. And I'm I'm gonna tell you right now. I got coach Hills talking to you about this. It changed myself. I mean, my whole train of thinking, I knew it was a trip for the first time. Yep. And, Roger, I just to the bottom of my heart, you you got it. And if he can't get it there, he's gonna be lost. Well, if it And you can't control that. If it has not moved him when he's being presented with it, and we don't know
[00:49:51] Unknown:
the totality of that, If it doesn't move him to come seek answers, I I I don't know what to do with you except send him emails. If you want to, go ahead. But you gotta have somebody that wants to know this. You can't infuse it in them is my experience. All you can do is you run a relationship and you piss the other people off. I've experienced this. Roger? Yes.
[00:50:24] Unknown:
Hi. I've been I just kinda got on here a little while ago, but I kinda get the gist of what's going on. Samuel, we got this big farmer, John in, Georgia, you know, Indiana, wherever the heck he's at. Why don't you get him in touch with who you were talking about? And, you know, farmer to farmer, John's a John's a national. You know, he got the big rebate back from the John's a Good. You know? John's a very sharp cookie. He certainly is. I'd I'd that's your guy. That's who you want to talk to your Dave. Farmer guy.
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Dave, I don't really know technologically how to do all this stuff. So that's why I'm asking other people here like Julie and Paul, etcetera, to help get Joel to Roger.
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He's an idea guy. Have that talk. So we
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so we know whether whether or not he's getting the information. We don't know anything about what happened and what information he got.
[00:51:28] Unknown:
Samuel's an idea guy, you know, like Scotty, a visionary.
[00:51:35] Unknown:
Well, I don't have a computer, Paul. You can't I have a phone. You can't I'm an idea guy. It's okay. You can't make you can't make No. I I I know Joel Salton's the right kind of person for this message. I know it.
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Yeah. I see that. Convinced of it. You know what? I'd absolutely love to have Joel Salatin call in and just talk to Roger. Just just Yeah. That's all. Let Roger point out exactly how they screwed him
[00:52:03] Unknown:
and what he can do to stop. His website is no longer lunatic farmer. It is polyfacefarms. Polyface,p0ly,facefarms.com.
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Is the blog there too? Or it's because because when I looked up the blog that I just had, Lisa, again, that's not my expertise. I clicked on what that was, and it brought me back to the lunaticfarmer.com.
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So He has two Samuel, he has two websites. He has the lunaticfarmer.com, and I didn't realize that he I I should have known he had PolyBase Farms because of the email I gave out about [email protected].
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Okay. Like I said, you know, that all that stuff helps. And I I I do believe that Joel is certainly has the capacity to understand this and certainly could understand how we can help farmers, and that's his job. He wants to help farmers be free of regulation. I mean
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Okay. Well, how can I get in touch with the purse the farmer and is there's a farmer in Georgia who's already a national?
[00:53:21] Unknown:
Yes. You'll have to. I'm not gonna give out his email on the on the on the air. Julie, send me an email, and I'll hook you up with John.
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Okay. So, basically, I can call him and ask him to give, to give, Joel a call and and and hopefully maybe have his permission to give his email to Joel, and I can write Wendy and Joel at their emails and tell them that you really need to listen to this farmer. He's a national.
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Yeah. He's not just a little farmer either. He's got a huge farm he inherited, Julie. It's 10 miles by 10 miles.
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Ultimately, we need we need we need Salatin to talk to sales.
[00:54:05] Unknown:
The SS. Well, you can't make him call in. I'm not gonna go chase him. I do not chase people. I'm not asking you to chase the rocket. That. I'm just remaking the statement.
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You guys interesting fact for people guys wanna buy a bar Can I chime in here?
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Damn.
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A very interesting based on John, I believe it is, the other farmer that's a national and his big farm. He farms corn organically because, evidently, you cannot make whiskey out of GMO corn. Correct. And that right there should be proof across the board that debt is not the same, and it should not be recognized as the same and safe.
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Some of y'all send me an email. If you're so moved to, please do. Please do. K? Roger. Yes. Marco.
[00:55:04] Unknown:
I'm connected to John, mentioning to him. He is a very private person. He doesn't like his information given out. So I'll ask him if he will reach out to him, and, I'll connect with Samuel to get the other data.
[00:55:20] Unknown:
Okay. That'd be good. K? So Okay. You can you can continue. If my suspicion is with the person that generally responds to our information, if he was presented with it a year and a half ago, whenever that was that Ed did that, I would have thought he would have responded by now, which he hasn't. So that doesn't paint a very positive picture, but do it anyway. Okay? So now we spend an hour, almost an hour on this. Okay? Yes. Who was saying something right there?
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Roger, it's it's David, David and Kaye.
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Hey, Dave.
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You want some good news?
[00:56:08] Unknown:
Well, I probably yeah. Always could use a little good news.
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It it has to do with exposure to your message and getting the word out. So last night well, yesterday, the day before yesterday, Payne developed an, info video regarding the national status about close to three minutes long. And I shared it with Dan Vandersteel. And we woke up this morning and our the website was off the chain with visitors, and I'm like, oh, what's going on? And went to her Telegram channel, which is 35,000 subscribers, and she posted it there with a comment and supporting the national status, and your message.
So I I know you're talking about getting the word out and exposure. Hopefully, that little bit will help,
[00:57:08] Unknown:
right now. Oh, well, I hope so, Dave. Every little bit helps. Many hands make for light work. I still have not heard back from Anne from my overtures. I don't use contact her through Telegram. I contact her through WhatsApp. I don't know what happened last weekend in DC. I don't know what her schedule is. I'm sure she's a really busy gal and in demand, and there's just no telling what's underneath the surface. I have not personally heard back from her, on an interview or anything else. So I'm glad to know that she's doing that, and and congratulations on whoever we touched. You know?
I just never know. I I I get on here. There's, you know, for many years, there's few people in the audience to join us live, get a few emails. Otherwise and then I'm flying blind.
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Roger?
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Yes. Julie. Thank you, Dave. Yes, Julie. Yeah.
[00:58:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, Dave. If you're listening, I sent you a private DM on FCC so you can check it, please. There's a very interesting, interview between Tucker Carlson and, Catherine Austin Sitz for those people who are interesting interested in watching it. Is that new? Then I'm Is that new, or was that a while back? Well, I don't def I don't go to Tucker Carlson's website. I get most of all my stuff I watch off of Before It's News because they rank the videos by the most watched videos. Uh-huh. So I go to beforenews.com and so it could have been, a week ago or something like that. Well, he did one with her He did one
[00:58:50] Unknown:
with her, I think, a couple of several months ago that wasn't anything relatively new. But this may be a new one. The best place I've found to check Tucker is, Tucker Carlson, one of his channels on Rumble. If you try and go to Bitshoot, they got all kinds of other crap in there. I never can hardly find what I'm looking for. Rumble's got a dedicated channel. It appears what Tucker has done is when he started out, it was a, what, five or ten dollars a month thing. And I think he's take gone away from that, and he started doing these little advertisements in there to fund their operation. And that makes the videos available to everybody. So, yeah, I'll check over there at some point and see if she's he's got a new one. Catherine Austin Fitz.
It's another person I'd love to get the information to, but, you know, people have tried, and she hadn't been receptive to my knowledge. So we just keep rolling on.
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And then you'll be proud of me. I have an appointment with the passport office in Washington, DC Do you? On Monday at 09:30 to get my national passport in person.
[01:00:01] Unknown:
Well, good. Did I ever tell you the the passport story about, the black guy there in Maryland? I'll think of his name in a minute. Well, he was a mortgage broker. K? And so what happened was we got into a nest of of black guys and probably some gals in the Winston Salem area that were all onto the tax thing. And so he knew some of them, and they got my information and they to Eric Cade, I think was his name. And they, got it over there to Eric, and he's going, well, I live in Maryland. I'll just take the train in. They got his passport office right there at the train stop, I guess. That may be what you're gonna do. Okay?
And, so, anyway, he, goes in there real proud, not really understand the information. He did it for the next day, okay, which I don't really usually approve of. But be that as it may, he goes in. There's a black gal there across the desk and or somebody, and he had taken in the oath, and he had circled noncitizen national. Now Todd knew we hadn't even been able to get to to the American Samoa thing with Todd and his bunch yet. K? It's another blocking maneuver. And, of course, you're not supposed to deface federal forms. And so whoever he was dealing with said, I can't accept this. You've defaced the government form. So he comes back thinking they rejected his application.
K? That's why I don't I I suggest people don't just rush into this. Alright? So, anyway, I told him on the air, will you deface the government for him? Oh, okay. So he goes back the next day, and he gets another gal there, probably black gal. And, he's and he's telling her the story, and she says, give me that. And she circles it. So give me that. She circles it and then processes it. So you never know, do you? Oh, wow. Yeah. And he had had radio experience. I was trying to get him on as an announcer on our when we tried to set up a network, and, he never wanted to follow through. He's a really good guy.
Hey. Here's the other story he told me. He said, you know, I got turned on to this. I said, no. He said, I had a friend who was in a closing she used to work as secretary in a closing attorney's office. And he said, I was in there talking to her at the end of the day, and she's taken all the day's promissory notes and flipping them over and stamping them. And I said, well, what are you doing? And and I grabbed one and they're stamping them for deposit only Federal Reserve Bank. He said, that's how I got turned on to this. So, anyway, Julie, be careful.
Trump's talking about maybe federalizing the whole damn DC area because the crime and stuff that's going on out there accentuated by what somebody took one a government official or something that had an Uber and almost beat him to death in the last couple of days. Yeah. I'm on, I'm on,
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nextdoor,uh,.com on, in several different districts up in DC, and I I hear every day about all the crime going on about people, stealing purses, stabbing people, breaking, car door windows, and all stuff like that. You can't even leave your cigarette charger in. They'll they'll they'll steal that. You put everything off your seats and everything under the seats so that nothing is visible. Right. Roger, I wanna tell you about what Van what what I'm switching subjects on you. What Anne Vandersteel posted at 05:23AM is, many of you know in 2021, I corrected my status from that of a US citizen debt slave to a national. I am thrilled with my choice to exit the system and walk to freedom.
Finally, and she put FINALLY in all caps, there is a website that is simple to navigate and makes it easy to teach you how to correct your status. And she has Dave and Kaye's site on here, https, and she's got nationalstatus.info. So a bunch of people commented with thumbs up and hearts and all of that, and then one person comment commented, is this the continuance of David Strait's website, American national dot app? So somebody needs to say no needs to comment on here no, so I'm gonna post no on here. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Can you correct that? Yes. Somebody can correct that and say no. It's a totally different, site. Okay. Well, that's common. Posted at five 05:23AM.
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I'll get you a second, Tom. We're making incremental progress, obviously. I don't know. Well, like I said, don't know what's got Anne gripped her or whatever. Hopefully, we'll hear from her. I will. And we'll be able to proceed on educating her. Because I told her at the end of our conversation, I said, you're such a I didn't tell her that. You're such a great prospect that I said I'll if you really want to, I'll personally educate you on everything I know about this, and I can teach you. Okay?
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So Right. And I'm I'm gonna post in the FCC I'm gonna post in the FCC FCC channel for anybody who's interested in her, her her Telegram channel. I'm gonna post a link to that right now so people can go there and join if they'd like to. Okay. Great. Tom, you were trying to say something?
[01:05:40] Unknown:
Yeah. The, the violence that you that I think she was referring to was was the the one of the guys from the Doge committee, big, bald guy. He got he tried to help some woman that was being carjacked or something, and they beat the crap out of him and put him in the hospital. And that's what Trump was all mad about. So Right. Don't blame him. But they said that over 59% of the carjackings are done by kids under 18. 60 some percent are under or 15 and 16 year olds. Yeah. As and some as young as 12 year old. Right.
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Right. So You heard that. Yeah. And they get those you go to DC. They get the criminals. Well, the older So they wanna drop the
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they they they wanna drop the,
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where you can arrest them and, you know, do stuff to them at the age of 14 since that's what they're finding or doing it. They're getting people that put them up to it because they're underage, and they know they can't charge them is what's going on. Go ahead, Murr.
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Well, I think it's like a lack of family stuff and that they hang out in packs and, found they can get away with this stuff at night. But, the Catherine Austin fits thing with Tucker was from April.
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Okay. That's what I thought. That's what I thought was a few months ago. You.
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And and Joel great society.
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And Joel Salatin, he's really got an interesting story. He was born in Venezuela, and all the trouble there, his parents moved to this country, when he was two. And then when he was, I guess, it was four, they bought this farm. This has been polyface farm for a long time. You know, the other offshoots, there's one, he added some stockman's grazing something or whatever too. And you can find videos of him giving and speaking things there. And they have a schedule where he speaks and when and his son Daniel and he and his family live in, at the farm too.
I think three children. And, so Soliton's wife's name is Teresa and, Daniel's wife's name is Sherry. So Wendy might be one of the offspring or an employee. Hard to say.
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Roger?
[01:07:56] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am.
[01:08:00] Unknown:
I'm sorry. I'm going back to the safety part of things going on in DC. The good thing is that the where I'm going is on Nineteenth Street North Northwest, and it's right across the street from my alma mater, George Washington University, and it's only seven miles from my house. So I think I'll be safe in the morning.
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Yeah. Daytime, it looks pretty cool. That penguin six guy that you said you know, Andrew, Lehman, I guess his name is. You know, he's a photographer. And so once in a while, he'll show a photo, like, saying daily mail or something that bought a photo from him. And so there's his name. It's, Daniel, I mean, Andrew, l e h m a n, I guess. Lehman Lehman.
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Yeah.
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I've seen him, in DC when he's been on his, his, what do you wanna call it, segue?
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Yeah. He's he, uses the rent of, you know, electric bikes and the scooters, the bikes mostly. But he's got, like, a 20 pound backpack with all his camera gear that tries to tip him over, and it I I guess it did in the last one, What you did film, he wasn't hurt, but the bike tips over, you know, where it's so heavy. But, yeah, he gets all around town. That thing you stand on? All the different things.
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And that thing you stand on that they zip around on?
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Yeah. Scooters. Yeah. They rent them too. They're not it's not a scooter. It's something else at Segway or something you said a minute ago. Oh, yes. Well, they don't have those, but, yeah, they do have at least they haven't shown any of them. But to rent, they have the,
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you know, the electric bicycles or the scooters. Well, I was saying that segway to be be now. Oh, do they? Oh, okay. I was saying that shown any of them. They have those. Yeah. The cops up in Quito used those. First time I'd seen them applied, I remember the big hype that went on with the release of that. It was gonna change the world. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, remember what happened? W got dumped off at once. So then suddenly it was you know, when he was president. So then suddenly it was like, oh, no. They're a bad thing. Oh, okay. No. I didn't know that.
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But, anyway, so, okay. Anybody else that that got anything on the DC problem, they're gonna federal I swear Trump's gonna federalize that and clean all that crap up. You watch. Or the Salatin or the farms or anything else we've discussed for the last hour and ten minutes.
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Nobody. Get to Todd.
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Wow. To wipe the sweat off my brow there. Okay. So if you wanna contact the farmers, gave out plenty of that information. You can go on that. I I encourage you to do it. Drop them an email. Hey. Hey, Roger. Hey, Roger. Why do you constantly interrupt me? You don't say, hey, Roger. You just barge in. What do you want? What do you got?
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You you have some some people say that this violent habeas corpus habeas corpus and, the cosmic traumatized a lot of the things that how do you, dispute that or debunk that idea that it could be a violation of that?
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Wahib, you are you're a piece of work, buddy. You come on here. You interrupt. You change the subject entirely often to like I said, are we having sex on Mars or something? I I'm I'm you you frustrate me, man. Well well, you can't even put your question out intelligently. What about posse comitatus?
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That and and and that would be violating it, sending in military, troops. But you did ask. You said, did anybody have any other questions?
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Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. They sent troops into Los Angeles recently down there where you work,
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didn't they? And now they're sending troops to the DC. Didn't they? That's right.
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To to in an emergency to overcome the law, overcome lawlessness. He's got the ability to do that. You're still probably gonna send in the federal the National Guard too. Okay? Oh my. What? The new people, Todd, Terry, Gigi. Do y'all have any questions? I went over thirty minutes yesterday on all the self help remedies and stuff. And,
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Hey, Roger.
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Yes. Good morning.
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It's Gigi. I'm just saying hello. Okay.
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Okay. Good. Well, thank you. Are are you learning some stuff, Gigi?
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I am. I'm just listening in.
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Okay.
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Alright. I just came in, so I'm just listening Oh, yeah. That's good. For a while. That's good.
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So, you know, Waheeb, I'm not the great Karnak. Okay? And when I ask questions, I'm for questions, I mean, on things we're talking about or things that relate to us. I don't I don't know the posse comitatus stuff. I'm sorry, ma'am. I just, you're a piece of work. Okay? Does anybody have any questions on what we normally talk about around here?
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Hi, Roger. This is
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Yes. Please. Please, the Vimeo.
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Hi, Roger. This is Terry. Hello, Terry. Hi. I appreciated the self help conversation yesterday. Are there more of those?
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Yeah. There's all kinds of these little areas of law that, that are important. It's important that you know what those self help remedies are and how they work. And here's the other important thing, that when they foist these on someone, like, the way they really put the UCC into operation was in the sixties, and they, said that the uniform commercial code was collect was the actions to be used for tax collection. That was in the sixties. So when people aren't familiar with that, and all of a sudden when they're confronted with people coming and grabbing their stuff, and they don't understand that there's procedure and everything else that we went over yesterday behind it, well, then they impute automatically power to the federal government, don't they?
Well, god, they got the power to come do all this and all that when actuality, it's a, it's a procedural thing that's very, explainable and understandable, and that they don't just have the power to come out as big tyrants and start grabbing people's stuff, which is what I'm sure the most people think about that when that happens to someone they know or them. So that's the important thing is to frame this, and these guys don't have that kind of power. We gave it to them. Take it away. You could take it away. They can't say a thing about it. Everything's gotta be voluntary. Like the somebody saying the the, you know, smart guy that they were talking to. Well, yeah, mister smart guy, doesn't everything have to be voluntary? If it's not voluntary, it's tyranny, isn't it?
I don't know of any other op yeah. I don't know of any other options. So then what they're doing is tyranny, and they'll never be open tyrants. There's gotta be a gimmick to it. And that that you know, you got to get in and get these basics, just like that. What whatever set of laws you wanna live under, that's your choice, not theirs. If they're telling you you gotta live under a set of laws, that's tyranny. So it's either gotta be voluntary or it's tyranny. And those when you run across a guy like that, that's where you come back to that discussion.
Because these are basics that they've never been exposed to, and they've been very heavily Pavlovian conditioned as to the fact that these Duke guys do have all this power. And the only way they got this power is through this trick. It's just a trick. Just like the gal said from Knesset, he's a trick. We all use it. And they do. That's all they do. They create illusions out of word tricks and magic tricks and everything else. You ever realize that most of the famous musicians were Jews? Houdini, Copperfield, all those guys?
This is I had a friend, in Oh, that's interesting. Oh, yes. Isn't it, though? I had a good friend in Atlanta back when I was in the music business. He was the rock and roll photographer for any stuff that went through Atlanta by any of the labels. They'd always use Rick Diamond. And he's a nice guy. He's one of our skiing group. And, one time, I asked him, that he's from Miami. I said, Rick, what's your father do? Said he patents magic tricks. See, they're oriented towards this.
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Everything's magic. This being deception.
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This being deception. Of course. Of course. May I? Well, then I wanna make sure well, there's lady Linda. You can, but just hold on. Let's make sure we get miss Terry satisfied here. So did we did you have any other, comments, Terry, on that?
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Well, I guess I would just say that becoming a national and then continuing to educate myself on, the self help remedies. And
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what else would you say? Where would I Well, I'm gonna get one of these days when we get a break here, I'm gonna probably go into the whole administrative state, lecture, which is quite interesting and quite eliminating for you. It doesn't really apply to you as much anymore once you go through this process, but you damn sure need to understand it. Most people have no idea. I I told you I had a call by an attorney before I left the states. I was still in Florida, and, he had a client who had a tax problem and somehow got my name, and I don't know how he got the phone number. But, anyway, he called me and went over that whole administrative state thing. And at the end of it, he said, Roger, you know more about this than 95% of the attorneys in the country. So it's very valuable information to know things that they don't know.
K? So we'll do that one of these days, and, yeah, there's probably a bunch of other stuff like that we can go over. We'll go over the tax system. I I know the other day, we were talking about remedies and that it's on the website somewhere where you've got all the bodies of law. It lists who the, overseeing officer is, a judge, a chancellor, whatever, and they're all different. And what the actions are and what the remedies are. Well, the only place that self help remedies are available are in the law merchant, the UCC, and they were used on the manners during the feudal system, self help remedies.
The reasons the feudal system adopted the merchant code, law merchant at that time is what it was called, was because that was what was used in all the trade fairs that would circulate around Europe. And so because that was so commonly used, all the people that owned manors, the lord of the manor, incorporated the merchant law onto the manor system. So the only other place that self help remedies have ever been used is in the law merchant and in the menorah law. No other body of law uses self help remedies. Kinda important.
K? So, would they would look carried that get you? There's there's others. I maybe not can think of them right off the bat, but we'll we'll wheel into them when when we don't have a brisk conversation like we did in the first hour. And when when is the time's right, I'll do it, I guess. Now I want you to meet this charming lady here, lady Linda Louise, who we haven't seen in a while Thanks. Because it's summer, and I think she's out at the beach clamming or something, aren't you?
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Well, Terry, I don't know if you're from Massachusetts, but Todd is. And, from my accent, you can tell. I have a brownstone in Boston, Massachusetts. So it's not unusual for me to frequent, the Boston area. So if he's from the Boston area, I'd love to get to know him more personally. But that's not why I, called you today, Roger. I was very fascinated by Tucker Carlson's interview with Richard Werner. Do you know who Richard Werner is? I do not. Not right offhand. Okay. Let me tell let me tell the listeners. It's a must see. I've listened to it twice. It's two hours forty two minutes and seventeen seconds long.
And what it was all about is Richard Werner received a visit from the CIA after publishing his book in 2001
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called Princes and Yen, y e n. He Oh, he's the economist guy. He's the economist guy. Right? Okay. From Japan. He speaks Yeah. Gotcha. Japanese fluently
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in which he spilled the beans on what is the most powerful mechanism for both economic growth and prosperity, and also for exploiting that boom and bust economic cycles. And they are quote unquote arranged. His book was a bestseller in Japan, even outselling Harry Potter. The publishers in The USA gave rave reviews of the book, but someone told them not to de publish his book in English. He also exposed how to measure what they are doing in real time to predict what is going to happen. If you haven't figured it out yet by now, the CIA doesn't work for the people, but they work to protect the global elite cartels and ensure their financial narrative continues to provide the optimal illusion to keep the masses in the dark. In other words, the banking cartel completely control the economy, and it is not a natural economy, but a synthetic controlled economy.
Economic crashes and busts are also manipulated by the central bankers. Growth and posterity cycles are manipulated by the central bankers. They control the input and the output variables. Richard exposed this as well as sharing his findings on how the banking system was created by fraud and is still run on these fraudulent foundational variables that he explains how we can avoid all crashes by productive loaning practices. In short, the central banks know this, but they keep this a buried secret so they can continue controlling the markets to fit their narrative, their agenda, and implement implement their new world order plans.
If Trump really was in the quote, unquote white hat, I don't know what that means, and really was doing good for Americans, he would abolish the evil Federal Reserve instead of putting up the charade about federal chairman Jerome Powell not lowering interest rates. They're talking about it. Doing is making sure all Trump is doing is making sure his billionaire buddies, this is their opinion, in the quote, unquote club, gain much more wealth, power, and control over the people and ensuing the NWO agenda is on the schedule.
Three theories of banking. Two are based on that the bank is a financial intermediary and one is not. The deposits analysts and risk assessments and loans and investments of deposits. This is the one they teach in the textbooks. Two, the theory of fractional reserve banking as banks interact with each other, there is money creation from the deposits. And three, the credit creation theory of banking. Banks are not financial intermediary. Banks are special and have a unique power that no other player in the economy has and the power to create currency.
This was the theory about one hundred years ago, and the theory this theory was called conspiracy theory. So, he goes into sharing questions with his students, and they are: Who do you think creates the majority of the money supply in the economy? A, governments B, central banks C, financial markets or D, the local banks? 84% answered the government of the central bank. That is what makes sense, but it is not true. The answer, you have to read his blog, but he did go into North Dakota, who has their own state bank, and that state bank protects every single individual within or people, or man or woman within North Dakota, and no other state has that kind of banking system.
So when the when the bottom falls out, it's going to be, every state other than North Dakota. And he also said that we've been having digital currency for decades, but the C in the digital count, currency is central. Central digital currency. And once we do the central, we're going to all be in a horrible, vulnerable position. I highly recommend that people go to Rumble. I was the number six thumbs up on this, waking the world up. It was done two days ago, and I had and only nine forty three people have viewed it on this particular platform. Maybe on the YouTube, he has many more people because, Tucker has about 1,100,000,
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subscribers to his site. So that's all I have to say, and I yield. Okay. And I'll go back to Terry and say, other subjects. Terry, do you know how the money supply works?
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Wait. Can you repeat that site again, please? I'm sorry. Rumble. And what's the name of the video, please? Sorry.
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I would just go to sorry, Linda. I would go to tuckercarlson.com myself. He always has his latest videos up there, and there's no risk of those videos being taken down from his site directly. It's not dependent on anybody else permitting content.
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What what was the name of the video?
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I'm I'll tell you. It's central banking explained by world renowned economist Richard Werner, w e r n e a. And the title is money out of thin air. I would have titled it currency out of thin air because we all know money is gold and silver or Bitcoin. So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. On Von Tucker's?
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It just is Richard Warner. Sorry, Roger.
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Oh, Richard Warner, not Rich. Okay. So just go to tuckercarlson.com and look up the video with Richard Warner. Correct?
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Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. I will post the, rumble version in both chats, and I'll send it to you, Roger. Thank you. Thank you, Brad. And you know what's interesting is I kept like, where's he gonna mention the Jews? Well, apparently, he caught some heat for just mentioning the two Warburg brothers. That's right. What a name. Right? Warburg on either side, which Right. Right there's a whole game. Amen. Jewish brothers funding each side.
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Get it? He he mentioned it earlier. Me, or
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if I may, what allowed him to publish the book was he had to take the chapter out about the Zionist being in charge of, the banking system. So once that chapter was taken out, his book was able to be, published. But now he has it published with the chapter put back in because he got a a publishing company that will do that. He said if you buy his book by that publishing company, you'll get it for a very reasonable price. If you buy it from Amazon, they're gonna soak you. I yield. Roger.
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K. Yes, Larry. I'm just gonna leave and turn the show over.
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So your new so your new students won't get confused. Money is not created out of thin air, only the interest. Maybe you might wanna briefly go over that. I was trying to get back to Terry here,
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and say this is another one of those areas that that I I really love to teach people about because virtually nobody except this guy understands it and the bad guys. And that is Terry, what do you know about the monetary system? What if I told you that every loan in America and I've found in the world through these systems is a fraud? Would you believe that?
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I would absolutely believe that. Okay. Well, it's true. Signatures create the money.
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Correct. They create the credit. There is no money. There is no money. There is no money. There's only credit. And that's what the importance of what we do around here is as as surfs, they control our labor and they take that warehouse receipt. We refer to it as a birth certificate that represents your servitude, and they attach it to the bond market when they sell bonds. Isn't bond the root word of bondage? Mhmm. Doesn't that answer your question? The bond market's five to 10 times bigger than the stock market? Stock market's got big buildings, trains, manufacturing, trucks, all that stuff, stores.
What represents the bond market? It's five to 10 times bigger. Well, it's a debt market. That's us. That's our future labor in there. K? That is the basis of the entire financial system. And let's see. Where are we? We got thirty thirty minutes, twenty five minutes left. You wanna get into this, Terry? Mhmm. You wanna get into this? Love that. Alright. Well, here's what I've been able to figure out over the years. First of all, you hear all of our educated people say they make money out of thin air. Do you know any bankers that lend trillions of dollars without collateral and compound interest? Probably not.
Well, then that's not out of thin air. There's collateral. Okay. But what Larry was talking about, I'll get to. This is what I've been able to figure out. What happens is we have these things called federal open market committee meetings. We just had one last week, I think, where they didn't raise the, overnight rate, which is usually what they mess with. They all get together every six weeks, and supposedly, all the different Federal Reserve districts are there. And they take a a lot of, care and statistics over their area, whatever that bank controls. And they bring all that, and let's just say they go, well, we've got a lack of currency in the system. We need a hypothetically here, we need a billion dollars worth of, worth of Federal Reserve notes.
And so what they do is they decide on that, and then they go over to the treasury, and the treasury will call and have the notes printed. Now it doesn't matter what denomination they're in as long as they equal up to a billion dollars. At that point, they're not what we would call money or currency. They're just pieces of paper with dead presidents on them. K? They stick them on a warehouse. They're not what they call monetized. But anyway so then to back them up, you know, where it says on there the full faith and credit of The United States, where it says that on a promissory note there, the Federal Reserve note?
Well, what what is that? Well, that means that the full faith and credit if you got a bad bill and we go into hyperinflation, can you take it anywhere and get anything done with it? No. You can't. K? But the full faith and credit of The United States is not in the promissory note. It's in the bonds. Because when they print up a billion dollars worth of promissory notes, they also and this company is owned by the Federal Reserve, I believe, I've read, that prints the bonds. And they go over and they print a billion dollars worth of bonds, and the bonds back the notes.
So that's the full faith and credit of The United States is that you're gonna pay your taxes, and that bond holder is gonna get his coupon payment. So you got two separate entities here. You got currency and you got bonds.
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So they take and May I have got your
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Yes.
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One of the things that really I see people's eyes pop when you tell them when and when when the treasury prints that paper, if it's $1 bills, $10 bills, or $100 bills, The Federal Reserve actually pays the printers for the printing of that Like 2¢. Which averages about 7¢. Oh, it's 2. I was thinking it was 7¢ per sheet. No matter what the face value is. Yeah. It doesn't matter. So 7¢ is cheap, whether they're $1 bills or $100 bills. Right. But then our government is on the hook for the face value of it.
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Well, the the okay. Let's just hold on a second. They do. They have to pay two point last I read years ago, two point something cents per bill for the cost of the paper. It's not paper. It's cotton. It's a special cotton blend and, the ink to print it. So let's just go over the general here. I'm not getting the specifics just yet. It's hard enough to grasp the general part for some people. So now we've got a billion dollars worth of notes, and we got a billion dollars worth of bonds. So they take and bring up the billion dollars worth of notes, and they loan that out to their favorite banks. That's called the overnight rate.
It's the banks the favorite banks of the Federal Reserve, all their synagogue buddies, and they loan out a very low interest, let's just say for hypothetical, 2.5%. So they loan out all that billion dollars to the banks, and then the banks take that and they loan it out to you at 5%. So it's a traditional wholesale retail type markup. K? Now they take the bonds, and they have contracts with what they call primary bond dealers. With the the people I had it on my tongue a minute ago. Can or Fitzgerald. If you remember that from 09/11, Cantor Fitzgerald had two of the top floors on one of the World Trade Centers. They were a primary bond dealer.
So they signed an agreement with the Federal Reserve that they'll sell, take, and to take these bonds. They, under contract, have to take so many a percentage, however they do it, designate it. And they've gotta sell them. If they don't, they eat them. But they take them off the Federal Reserve's hands and sell them to the the debt market all over the world. This is where we went into the villain yesterday, villain, attached to the land and transferable by deed. That's what they're doing. They're transferring you by deed of your birth certificate being attached to these bonds. And every time somebody, holds a bond and sells it because the debt market is very fluid and they exchange those things, where you get exchanged.
Transferable by deed. You're transferred again. So the the that's where the bonds go, and they circulate out there. And that's the big problem they got right now is the bond market. K? Starting by Japan getting into after decades of 0% loans, they've got so much inflation, they're having to raise their interest rates. They've raised it to 4%. What that has done is it's totally screwed up the world economy. Because for decades, the world economy has been run on what's called the carry trade. Not Terry, carry trade. And what they do is they go over and borrow, well, let's just say, a billion dollars from Japan, no interest.
And then they'd come back and invest it in US bonds or other bonds bearing three to 5%. Well, how would you like to get three to 5% free on a billion dollars every month? Right? You you can live pretty good that way. And that's the way the whole run. That's the basis of the whole world system because the bonds is the is the world system. That's the basis of the whole world system until Japan had to start raising their rates, and it's unraveling this carry trade. And so for a lot fifteen years or more, countries have been wanting to get rid of bonds. They used to have to hold bonds and currency at the central bank because Saudi Arabia and the Arab countries would only accept dollars for their oil.
That was what Kissinger put in back decades ago when I was just trying to get into the record business. And they were had 50 tankers offshore, but there was no gasoline. K? So they switched over to the Saudis. And they said, look. If you'll just take our currency for your oil, then you we'll take all that and invest in Wall Street for you. And that's been the deal. Well, that's unraveling too. Now they're starting to take the yuan and some of the BRICS currencies over there because everybody's wanting to sell their dollars because they see the scheme. They see us invading all these countries for these damn Jew bastards. They see all this stuff. They know who's behind it. They may not wanna say it, but they know. And so over the fifteen, twenty years, they've been selling their bonds in the open market. Well, if a whole bunch of countries go, Terry, and they go to sell their bonds and there's no buyers, then we got a big problem, don't we?
It's not a liquid market. Yes. We do. And that's what's been happening for fifteen plus years. And so who buys them? The treasury buys them all. Say that they're reserved, but I'm sure they don't want they they like that. We don't want this. You know? They they wanna have the treasury, so we owe our own taxes to our own debt. It's basically the way they've got this set up. So I have read that for this couple years ago, 48% of the bonds in the world are owned by the Treasury, Federal Reserve. That's because all these people are dumping them. There's no buyers, and so they gotta buy them as a buyer of last resort. What they've been doing in the interim is they'll go to all these little countries they control, like in The Caribbean and whatnot, and they'll go give them a half a billion dollars. They show up at the bond auction and buy bonds because nobody wants them.
K? So that that's been going on for a while. So these bonds back that currency. That's the full faith and credit of The United States is that that bondholder is gonna get his coupon payment. So what we do when we go through this is we pull ourselves out of the tax system. Now they gotta eat their own bonds because we're not paying the coupon payment anymore. Julie, please please let me finish, please. Yeah. I get in these. I get distracted. I lose my train of thought and where I'm going. K? So that's that whole bond side of it. It's critically important. Most people have no idea. K? The currency side of it the currency side of it is this.
That currency is not monetized until someone takes out a loan. K? In other words, it's just pieces of green paper with dead presents on them. You take out a loan, and now it activates that because it attaches interest to it and collateral. So basically, if you're going in to buy a house or a car or whatever, you sign a financing statement, what they're doing is taking the value of what you've purchased, and they're monetizing that value. Even though in the loan papers, it says you're gonna pay for this over however many months, and if you do the arithmetic, it's three times what what you paid for the item that's being collateralized.
K? So they take, let's say, the value of your car is $40,000 and they loan $40,000 into circulation. Now it compiles with compound interest. So what Larry was referring to is they don't make money out of thin air there. It's collateralized by whatever you purchased. But once that currency is monetized and it's circulating, it's now gaining interest. Whatever the interest is, it's a prevailing interest rate out there. And that's where they make money out of thin air. And here's the problem. That continues to compound and there's because all this loaned into circulation is representative cost to your collateral, there's never as the guy said, if all the loans were paid off, there wouldn't be any currency to circulate.
Because there's still debt owed from compounding interest and there's no more currency in circulation. See what's going on here? I'm I hope I'm explaining that good. K? So that's where they make money out of thin air. Now, what else is I gonna say? Now here's the way this loan situation works. When I said every loan's a fraud. Now the way I learned this see what our time is. I learned this from a certified public accountant out of Chicago named Tom Schoff. Years ago, when you couldn't get this information anywhere but WWCR, the shortwave radio station out in Nashville, And, we listened a little late into the night because it's the only place you could get this information, you know. And, pastor Peters used to be on there. Tom Valentine had two or three hours for Liberty Lobby. We had, Bill Cooper after that. And then they started a real late night show that didn't start till, like, 01:00 and went till four.
And I'd live stay up and listen to that show even though I might have to work the next morning. And that's where I heard Tom Schoff. I don't remember the guy's name that did that program, Water Oz or something. He would he would he he I think he's still in federal prison. They threw him in federal prison for something. Anyway, I heard this, Tom Schoff guy. Tom Schoff was a certified public accountant who had somehow finagled the way to become a forensic accountant testimony specialist for court cases where they get paid the big money for being an expert. And as he got into that, he found out and realized there was no place in the country where CPAs could be accredited to go do expert testimony and learn the big bucks.
And so he started one, you know, perfect formula for a business, find it, avoid and fill it. And that's what he did. And so he had all these CPAs coming to him to get certified so they could hit the big money in expert testimony. Well, one of the students was a, federal regulator, regional regulator, who go around and check out banks, make sure they're adhering to regulations. So he pulls Tom Schoff, the CPA that is the expert witness, and the regulator who's trying to become that pulls the master aside and said, what I told you, every loan in America is a fraud. And Tom Schoff, the expert witness says, what the hell are you talking about?
And he says, let me show you what they're doing. So here's the big secret, and this is the secret that they didn't want this economist, Werner, talking about. It was the third or fourth option on banks creating credit. Okay? And this is where how they do this. That was the big contention, Linda, out of everything he had was that third or fourth option of this, what I'm about to explain to the audience right now. So you go in, you find a car, you go, okay, well Terry, you like that? Yep. Sure wanna. Gotta have it. And they go, well, you wanna pay for that in cash or do you wanna finance that? Well, Terry doesn't have 40,000 in cash in a little brown bag. So she goes, well, I'd guess I'd better finance it. So a financing is a promissory note.
So you go in, you hammer out a price deal, you get together, they put the paper in front of you. It's called in commercial paper in the UCC, this is more merchant law stuff. It's called a promissory note, a promise to pay. Anytime the word note is used in any legal context, any legal context, its definition is always a promissory note, a promise to pay debt. So you go in and you sign that. I, Terry, agree to pay 48 payments of so much principal and so much interest, etcetera, etcetera, and you sign it. The minute you sign it, just as you said, your signature created that currency Because you agreed to a long term over months payback plan.
You created an income stream when you signed it. So now you drive off with the car. Right? Well, they take your promissory note back to the financial institution, and they put it on the asset no. On the liability side of the ledger. You got double entry bookkeeping. It was invented over in Florence or Italy somewhere in the fifteen hundreds. And that's what allows them to do this, double entry bookkeeping. So here you need to know a little bit about law, promissory notes. You need to know a little bit about accounting because that's what I'm gonna explain to you. And you need to know some of these other areas. You don't have to be expert in it, but you gotta at least know some of it. So they take your promissory note, a promise to pay, where you created an in future income stream, and they put it, Terry, on the liability side of the ledger, the IO IO.
But hold it. It's an income stream. It's a positive side. Wouldn't you think that would be an asset? Well, yeah. It seems like it would be, but they don't use it in the asset column. They put it in the liability column. Now they discount the note to its full payout, discount that payout, and they sell it to some investor in the secondary market at a discount. And they give them debt promissory notes, and they bring those back, and they put those on the asset side of the ledger. So your promissory note was on the liabilities, and now when they exchange it, they bring back less cash, but they put that on the asset side, and they take the majority of that, and they go pay your car dealer for your car. So they don't ever loan anything.
You loan them your signature that creates the whole process. Now, Schauff and them would take people that had mortgages and they would take that to court, and the court would seal the case and give them the keys to their new home. Because the bank lied. They did not loan you anything. You'd loan them your signature on a promissory note and the whole thing happened. Now, important, I read a, Thomas Jefferson quote a couple of years ago, popped up somewhere. Thomas Jefferson understood this because his statement was no discounting of notes.
See, if you just stop the discounting of notes, you stop it right there and the bank holds the paper. But they discount them and they're continually refueling the monetary system by this process. So did that make sense to you, Terry?
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They might be muted. We had, we had a noise coming, from a couple of lines while you were going through that, and I went in and muted them. Okay. Thank you. We do have a hand raised if, if you are muted and the system is not allowing you to unmute, just, dial 941 and raise your hand, and, we'll get you unmuted. Dave from National Status has his hand up.
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Dave, you got a question on that?
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No. I'm sorry. That was residual
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hand up. Sorry, Paul. I took you down. Alright. Okay. No problem. To Terry. Terry, did that answer your questions? Was that explanation satisfactory? It's a complex little system, but that's how the whole system works. And what allows it all to happen? Your birth certificate turned into a warehouse receipt. They got a property right in you. They control your labor for the rest of your life, and they can extend it and collateralize it. There's the basis of the entire monetary system right there. That's why they didn't want that guy bringing that book over with that example in is the one way is a bank can do fractional reserve banking, the other, etcetera. This was the third or the fourth option. And this is what all those people had a problem with with Werner, was getting that information in that book out so people would understand what I just explained to you.
Everything is a trick. Everything is a scam. Everything is an illusion. Nothing is real. They built this whole deal off of the fact that we call debt money, and we think we're free. That's the foundation for the whole thing.
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To be American. Mudger.
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This is the system we've got, and it's got imperfections. And we can't duplex, and we can't have current one on one conversations. I'm sorry. It's the best we can do. Larry.
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Yeah. The whole the the thing that's bad about this whole system, this whole financial system is, you know, most of us students are aware of the fraud. And but the thing is, if if we want a loan, if we don't have the money and we need a car or we need to have
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a house to live in, we have to participate in the fraud. That's just the bad thing about it. Well, you do and you don't. Evidently, we found out, I think it's from Herb, you're one of our guys, that there are secondary people that do have money that will loan you money and you can bypass the banking system. And I don't know about that except it's available. But there are other options, but you're gonna have to look for them.
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They are far and few between. And I'm sure So that's just the hard part about it. Yep. Yep. But it's not impossible.
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Yes. Yes, ma'am.
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Yes. I was gonna say you can get a loan you can get a regular loan from a bank, and tell them that you don't file income tax returns. Create your own, and you can go in, with you can use TurboTax to create your own. And, you can also bring your bank statements. And, with that and your equity in your home or your, w two forms that you get and your,
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credit score, they will loan you money. Okay. And and They're private investors too that will. Okay?
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Yes. Called with
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you may have to go to a few banks to get them to, to get them to actually do it, because, oh, some months ago, one of our people, went shopping for a loan so he could pay off his mortgage. And he doesn't have any credit or he has great credit, but he has no, verifiable income because he doesn't file taxes and because he didn't have three years of tax returns. It didn't matter if he's got, like, over $500,000 in assets, and he was only trying to get a couple of 100 g's to pay off his mortgage. It didn't matter because they they didn't see him as a taxpayer or part of the system, so nobody would give him a loan to pay off his mortgage. Nobody. Even though he could afford it and he had plenty of assets to back it up,
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nobody wanted to play. Okay. Here's my suggestion. If you've got cash, go buy gold and silver if you can get it. Here pretty quick, don't know when, we're gonna see this whole thing tip under because this bond market's clashing it all. COVID has crashed it all. They got commercial loans out there that nobody's in the buildings anymore because they don't come to work anymore. That that in New York City, there's 20 the equivalent of 28 Empire State Buildings that are totally empty. Mhmm. That, of course, affects all the businesses around them, the dry cleaners, the restaurants, the pharmacies, all that stuff. So now they're in trouble. And all that's gonna drag along with this bond market when this all hits, and they either can't control it or else they decide to pull the plug, you're gonna see gold and silver skyrocket 10 times, fifteen, twenty times. I don't know. But at that point, you may have enough funds to do whatever you want. But you gotta do that now, and you better do it quick.
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Right. Roger?
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Yes. Joan.
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Roger. Is it possible since I think a mortgage and a loan is a contract when you put your signature, Is it possible before you put your signature and Julie might know too, is it possible before you before you put your signature, you come to an agreement about the contract and and say, well, okay. I will get the mortgage. I will get the loan if, I just pay off the principal and
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just keep paying that off. And and Joan, I I have no earthly idea. K?
[01:57:45] Unknown:
Quite frankly. It's a good idea, though. Right?
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It's a good idea. Know. If it works, it might be, but I don't know if that'd work. A pre agreement on your promissory note? Never heard anything like that. And and besides, see, they don't keep these things in house, Joan. They discount them and they circulate among investors. That's what 02/2008 was about, was the trenches of all these damn mortgages that they wrote that no doc loans. You don't even have to have a damn job to go in and get one. So there's I I can't answer your question. Who else was saying something there, though? Roger? Roger? That Wells Fargo Bank is taking a 90% loss. Wells Fargo off of building in Denver. I think Wells Fargo had to borrow a 100 and something billion dollars in the fourth quarter just to keep their doors open.
Billion. All these big banks are underwater. Why do you think people like, the Wizard of Omaha there Sold all of his Bank of America stock.
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Sure. Yes.
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Yeah. I'm gonna tell you right now, they're gonna, they're we're not gonna default on our debt. We're gonna insulate it out. It's in the Genius Act. Of course. It's in the g it's in the Genius Act. The the banks should I wait for this, whistle thing? No. Can you go ahead? Go ahead. Okay. The banks so in the stable, in the Genius Act, the Federal Reserve notes are not going away, and neither are the treasuries. The, the the they're gonna issue stable coins. They're backed by Federal Reserve notes and Treasury bonds. And what's gonna happen is the banks are gonna have to buy the treasuries in order to issue the stable coins. So we, the people, indirectly are gonna be buying the debt back. And the way the government right now is paying the dumpers of the Treasury bonds right now is they're issuing USDT Tether, which is a crypto and it's backed by Bitcoin.
So that's what's going on in the financial market right now. And, if you talk to people like, if you talk to people like Ed Dowd, he tells you what his strategy is right now, and his strategy is the same as Warren Buffett's right now. He's he's in all cash. Because once the stock market crashes, this is what Warren Buffett does all the time. They've both been in cash for two years now. Dowd, missed missed the, he thought that the, crash was gonna come, you know, two years ago, and he was wrong on his prediction because we had all these illegals come in the market, and then the treasury just printed and inflated the market with money,
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for these illegals. Julie. Now. Yep. Julie, hang on a minute. We gotta get off the program. That's it for the Radio Ranch. Thanks for joining us. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM. Ciao.
[02:00:44] Unknown:
What a day. Okay. So, you know, the the reason why the banks are closing and consolidating is because we're going to a digital currency system as of 09/30/2025, Trump signed the executive order for the Digital Currency Act on 03/25/2025. And that's why they're working at warp speed right now, pushing things along because too many of us know too many things about the digital ID and the digital concentration camp that's that's that's basically rolling out at quote, unquote warp speed.
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Well, Julia, why would somebody like Warren Buffett be sitting on so much cash when it's being inflated? Good god, Wahid. They're waiting for the crash, and they come back and buy assets at tens percent on the dollar.
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If you can figure that out Wahid, they're they're they're predicting a stock market crash of anywhere from 40 to 50%, and Ed Dowd said it could be as low as 30%. This is what Warren Buffett did in the in in the, crash of the real estate crash of the 02/2007, 02/2008. He knows things because he he's in with the globalist. As soon and and Ed Dowd follows exactly what his trades are, and he does the same thing with his company called Finance Technologies. And he used to be the fund manager for, Larry Fink at BlackRock. He managed billion dollar portfolio, so he knows what he's doing. Vanguard
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Vanguard and BlackRock control 50% of the real estate market. Don't they? Vanguard
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And State Street. They control, like, the whole world. They own every company.
[02:02:26] Unknown:
The major ones. They own a no. They don't own them all. They just buy enough stock where they've got controlling interest.
[02:02:33] Unknown:
Exactly. That's when I say they own them, that that's what I mean. They have controlling interest in all the major, major brands and the major, major companies and the major, major real estate markets. That's why, folks, the only thing that can bring these folks down is what we've got here because it exposes all this fraud. Exactly. Roger.
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Larry.
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Yeah. And another thing, don't forget, what about the discussion that we had with, Josie back last summer. She wanted to go to a bank to get a so called loan for a mortgage for a house, and they they would not provide a loan unless she said she was a US citizen, and she was concerned about that. And she called the show. Do you remember that? So Not really. When you go to these commercial federal reserve banks, the only way they'll loan to you is if you acknowledge you're a US citizen. And Now I know I know that doesn't override our affidavit, but because you explained that to her, but it's still it's still fraud again, you know, another layer of fraud there.
[02:03:43] Unknown:
Larry, you gotta find a small bank that will keep the loan in house because what all these banks do is they pull all the loans together in the form of mortgage backed securities or collateralized bond obligations, and they sell them as securities. And they have to follow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Freddie Mac. Regulations in order to do this. So if they're planning on selling it, those regulations will not let a national have a give a loan to a national. But if you're able to, show if you're able to go to a smaller bank that keeps the actual mortgages on their books, and there are some out there, you just have to hunt for them, then you can usually get a loan from a bank if you have proper equity and you can show income.
[02:04:28] Unknown:
Amen. Okay. I'm I'm gonna go for it. Go to a small bank and ask them two questions. Number one, do you sell your loans on the bond market? Do you discount them to the Federal Reserve? And, do you have any principal reduction prepayment penalties?
[02:04:53] Unknown:
Because do, Paul, is just ask them if they if they if they if they make any, loans,
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residential loans, and keep them on their books in house instead of I I think our people are smart enough to know that now is not the time to take out a mortgage and buy a house.
[02:05:09] Unknown:
Well, it the the reason that I said Yeah. But the principle me as up.
[02:05:14] Unknown:
Well, he'd hang up. You just can't override why he he's gonna bust Oh, yes. I can. His peace, and he
[02:05:21] Unknown:
never recognizes our protocol here. Never. Yes. I can. Because I have the power of the mute button, and I've still got 12 more dB of gain on my microphone. The reason you ask them if they have a principal reduction in prepayment penalty is because some lending institutions will penalize you the interest that you would have saved by making an additional payment to shorten the term of your loan by eliminating interest off the back end. Some lenders will penalize you by charging you that interest so it doesn't buy you anything to pay it off early. That's something you wanna know before you sign on the dotted line. Tom, go ahead. I
[02:06:03] Unknown:
agree. I agree. I agree. I agree, Paul. You're correct on that. What I was meet what I was basically saying was just to get a loan. You know? You wanna know that, and then you wanna ask those questions, but I agree with you.
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Okay. I'm somebody else trying to say something.
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Am am I gonna be able to sell this a prenatainment
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penalty? I know. Yeah. Waheed, I swear if I had you, I'd I'd I'd slap you inside the face. You never recognize our protocols. You're always busting in, and you always wanna take us off to damn Mars or someplace. Whatever we're talking about is not gonna be generally what you want. Moheeb, speak your piece.
[02:06:47] Unknown:
I was saying I was saying, am I gonna be able to sell this house over here? It was worth 900 in in in in 2022, March 2022. Is there any way for me to put the interest rates like they are and and with oh, god.
[02:07:03] Unknown:
Wade, how do you expect that they answer this question? Yeah. It's like you saying, how do I convince my mother to put that thing in a trust? How the hell are we supposed to do that?
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Right. Okay, Wiggy. John in Georgia
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wants to speak. Yep. Here's big John right there. Hey, John.
[02:07:26] Unknown:
I was actually asked to join me on the back end here. So, by the time I come on, I was listening to Paul telling a story of someone who was trying to get a mortgage, but they were unable to get a mortgage because they didn't have those three years of tax returns to back that. Right? So Yeah. I guess for any people that have been around your call here for a few years, that might resonate because that was a situation that I was in. And it was kind of a permissive a permissive spot to be in because I needed it for business purposes, but I didn't have the tax returns any longer. So, I guess my only word of caution, and I've I've said it before and I'll just say it again, is if you are going to do an ROE or if you're just gonna exit the system, whatever, know what your personal needs are. Not only, like, right now today, but you need to be able to anticipate where your needs are gonna be in the future.
If you do an ROE, it's pretty permanent. You're not gonna have those returns. Ask me how I know that. There are other ways around it. I help a few people one on one around here. And, you know, what I've said and what I do is file like everyone else does. And then I actually wait two tax years, not one, but two tax years. And I go back and I file a ten forty x and a ten forty n r, and then I get it back from two years ago. And the reason I do that is because the banker is using my information the following year, so I just leave it alone. And then the the next year, when he's already done with it and he's moving to the following the the next next year, then I cancel out the one buying them again. There you go. Smart way to approach it. And it doesn't trigger anything with the banker. He has no clue.
[02:09:19] Unknown:
Well Oh, you file John. File a regular, ten forty, or do you file a 10 Mhmm. And then go back and file a ten forty x and ten forty n r?
[02:09:30] Unknown:
I file a regular ten forty like anyone except some of the people on this call would file.
[02:09:36] Unknown:
Okay. That's a lot of sense. That's an interesting and creative strategy you're using. So do that and then wait for two tax years and then file a ten forty x and ten forty n r.
[02:09:46] Unknown:
I mean, it depends. Do you really need to wait two tax years? I did because the banker has it in his hands, and I don't wanna just nullify what he's working with that year. And it's not really two tax years by the calendar year anyway. It's one year and one day. After you trip up the next day, now you're the following tax year. Right? So it's really like three hundred and sixty six days. I would you know what I mean? So Yeah. It is it's two years, but it's not really two years.
[02:10:12] Unknown:
That's very interesting. How do people get a hold of you, John?
[02:10:19] Unknown:
Well,
[02:10:23] Unknown:
it's a good question. I don't give any evidence public advice. Smoke cigarettes. I mean
[02:10:29] Unknown:
I mean, I guess, collectively, ask Roger or or, Merca. If if if you are already connected with Merca, you can get with Merca, and she can get with me. K. And you're out of Georgia. Right? Well Sometimes. Roger or Merca? Sometime. Thank you.
[02:10:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, John. Good to meet you. Thanks for joining. It's been a brisk show today. I lost control early on.
[02:11:02] Unknown:
I mean, it's it's not hard. And and when you have it's funny to me. I don't join in anymore guys much very often. Like, very rarely. I come in a couple times a year. Right. And it's interesting to me that you still have one individual in here that hasn't figured out the protocol for the show, but they're still here. I I applaud you for your patience because I would not have the patience for that.
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It taxes me at times, John.
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It taxes me. Yep. I can see that.
[02:11:34] Unknown:
Hey, John. I just Hey, John.
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Yes.
[02:11:38] Unknown:
Okay. We'll let the let the lady go first.
[02:11:41] Unknown:
Uh-uh. Hi, John. I'm working with Merka, and, I would like to get in contact with you, if possible. Once I'm clear cleared up some something she's helping me with, with the tax thing. I didn't file this year. Normally, I file every year, but, since I'm doing the, status correction, I would like to know that process if you don't mind.
[02:12:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I'll I'll do what I can. I mean, I don't have a great deal of of, free time as as many people know.
[02:12:22] Unknown:
That's fine.
[02:12:24] Unknown:
I I I mean that most sincerely. I'm not I don't mean I just I'm stretched thinly, but I can I'll try doing what I can. I think everybody's situation is a little bit unique, so it's it's not practical in most cases to just tell somebody, here's what you do, and this works for everybody because I just don't think that's the case. Yeah. Right.
[02:12:46] Unknown:
Hey, John. I have a question. So you joined you joined the program late, so you didn't hear what we were talking about early on, and I don't wanna rub salt in any wounds or anything like that or bring on bring up the an instrument of chaos to to, get the after show started on that bent. But did you hear about what happened to Joel Salatin, the lunatic farmer? And are you, like, in the loop on any of that? No. I'm not. Recent events? Okay. Well, recently,
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do you even know who he is? Hold on, Paul. Do you even know who he is, John?
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I mean, I I know the name, but I don't even know. I've never spoken to him. Yes. I I couldn't even tell you what part of the country he's in, but I know the name. Yeah. Right. Okay.
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Alright. Well, basically, what happened is Joel Salatin, he is called the lunatic farmer, and he's trying to get back to nonhormone and naturally organic farming. And going back to the whole food, the whole real food angle, food safety, food purity, and all that. Okay. And he set up a PMA so people could buy his produce, could buy his products. And the, I don't know if it was the feds or it was some law enforcement agency. I don't know if it was state or federal. They've been sending operatives in trying to get them to sell them product. And, you know, they tried multiple times. Finally, one day, they got somebody to sell them something without being a member of the PMA, and now the government is going after Joel, trying to shut him down or trying to, create his pockets.
What do you what do you say? What, what are your thoughts on that? I think it was another farmer, not Joel, but
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regardless, that's the example, John.
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Yeah. That's a tough one.
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Well,
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so what was the issue with the product he was selling? They just, they, they had issue with them selling under a PMA or were they questioning
[02:14:59] Unknown:
whether it was organic or sort of certified? We don't we don't know all those we don't know all those details. All was related to us was and I don't think it was Joel. I think it was one of these farmers because he's aware of PMAs that had decided to go that route. And I don't know if it was the farmer directly or one of his hands, but the feds kept coming back and, they kept telling them evidently they had one on file. They had one on file, and they keep badgering them in separate trips. And either the farmer or one of his people sold them something, and there was not they weren't in the PMA.
Basically, the problem, the feds lied. Yeah. That's all that's about all we know.
[02:15:45] Unknown:
They're probably doing it under USDA regulations or whatever and, man, I'm because I know some of the products he sells are, like, whole milk and whole cheese and things like that,
[02:15:58] Unknown:
or raw. Sure. You know, it's interesting.
[02:16:01] Unknown:
I mean, I buy all of I buy all of my products from a place like that. We go in and it's all locally grown. I mean, they don't technically
[02:16:10] Unknown:
Any tomato products. Certified.
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They don't certify any of the possible chemicals that they put these something there. Female talking. Please mute. Please. Go. Go. Okay. Go ahead, Joel. Somebody just forgot to mute. I was gonna say that here in Georgia, we buy all I we buy a significant portion of our meat, vegetables, and and some other random things from a shop that probably is a lot like his. And, you know, like, the the the milk and cheese products, they just market for animal consumption only. I mean, it's just a they don't have any issue. Doesn't mean they don't have issue tomorrow, but yeah.
I think it says it right on the the cooler where it is animal consumption only. So I I don't know if that's a valid way to get around it, but I, I mean, I'm seeing that at other places. Because they don't make any other claims.
[02:17:04] Unknown:
I think that stops some cold. I think that stops some cold right there. That's very smart whoever came up with that.
[02:17:13] Unknown:
It could. I mean, in hindsight, they could say, you know, the sticker fell off. I don't know. It was on the floor. Kid knocked it off. I I don't know. I mean Yeah.
[02:17:25] Unknown:
Can I can I ask you a question?
[02:17:28] Unknown:
I heard everybody's upset you. Hello? But, I I, I thought I was on top of him. And can I ask you a question?
[02:17:38] Unknown:
Pardon? I sir, you're not Pardon me. You're a little bit you're not totally clear. I think that's your name. Just stop, Wahid. Just stop. Ask Julio a question.
[02:17:49] Unknown:
No. No. You went until the after show. Just stick around.
[02:17:53] Unknown:
Are you drunk?
[02:17:58] Unknown:
Did you did you just walk into a wall or something like that, Wahid? Is that the deal?
[02:18:03] Unknown:
I'm telling you, this guy's a piece of work.
[02:18:05] Unknown:
I don't think that's what he
[02:18:08] Unknown:
there is an ATM. Is. Working on the ATM.
[02:18:13] Unknown:
Yeah. He's having another conversation.
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They're working on the ATM right now. So I'm gonna go ahead and bring him mute. Oh my lord. Lord. You disaster.
[02:18:26] Unknown:
Alright. Waheed, we'll catch you later.
[02:18:31] Unknown:
Lord have mercy. Wow. Waheed's been coming around here for years. Years.
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Mhmm.
[02:18:39] Unknown:
He's just as inconsiderate as the first time he came in. That's very true.
[02:18:45] Unknown:
Very true. So, anyway, well, wherever we were, we'll see if we can find it again. See, that's my problem with that kind of crap. So it totally takes you off track, and you totally lose your train of thought.
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And especially when you have somebody on here who I value hearing so much as John, and he hardly comes on. And to have those kind of interruptions
[02:19:08] Unknown:
is just almost intolerable. Well, it's in the the most one of the most inconsiderate things that you can do, I think. So, anyway, John's good to hear you.
[02:19:21] Unknown:
I mean, everybody everybody is worthwhile. Everybody's worthwhile, and everyone is valuable. But when somebody like John calls into the program, he calls in, like, twice a year. He immediately gets boosted to preferential status. So just let him talk, please.
[02:19:42] Unknown:
John, your name came up. I don't know if I'm deserving of that, Paul, but thank you. And, I'll say Roger, Paul, Marga. If y'all need to reach me, like, today, some two people reached out to me in the background and said, hey. Would you mind calling in? And so I did. That's why I'm here. Do you still hear me okay?
[02:20:07] Unknown:
Yeah. You cut out there a minute for a minute.
[02:20:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm not sure if but do you hear me okay now?
[02:20:14] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. I can hear you now. Okay. Now. Alright.
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Perfect. I was just saying, you know, I'm reachable. Two people reached out to me in the background today and asked if I had a minute to join. So here I am. If you need something, reach out. And if I'm available, I'll I'll try to join.
[02:20:31] Unknown:
Okay. What we were talking about earlier where your name came up was in possibly trying to contact this farmer, Salison, whatever his name is, from your standpoint knowledge base. He's got a huge following evidently of farmers. And Samuel, coming from a farming background, opened the show with this today. It took up the whole first hour. Okay? In that period of time, your name came up as to potentially reaching out and and see if you could get a hold of this guy. Well, for one thing Sure. With our information in some way, shape, or form about a year and a half ago. And he he hadn't come forward. It didn't resonate with him at that point.
And my my way of doing things at this stage of it is I just don't go chase people. It's very unproductive. It makes enemies at times. So, that, that was what that came up in in in that context. So everybody, bunch of people gonna send him emails. Let's see if he replies. Wahid, is that you coming on here again?
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Well, before you go, though, Roger, before we change subjects, I do I I I'll share something else with you if you wanna keep the topic of farming up for just a minute.
[02:21:50] Unknown:
Yes. Go ahead, John.
[02:21:53] Unknown:
So I think all the farmers have, you know, some sort of challenge going on. So mine, this particular year is, you know, I'm I'm hearing lots of banter that other countries don't wanna import our, genetically modified products coming out of The US. They don't want it. So Understandable. I've I've grown non GMO crops, purely non GMO. They're not certified organic now, but they are non GMO. They're they'll pass any test. They'll they'll register less than 1% of any, contamination from cross pollination and things of that. I've got one buyer, and that's it. And my buyer canceled on me. So I'm sitting on an entire crop here that I can't sell. I mean, I can go dump it in the same hole with the next guy growing a GMO crop, but for anyone that knows a little bit about the business also knows that it's more expensive. It's a hell of a lot more labor intensive to grow what I grow than what my neighbors grow, and it's due a premium. That's why I grow it. It's it's worth the premium.
[02:22:57] Unknown:
Hey, John.
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For human consumption and and and it's valued higher. And there's no buyers. They tell me that there's no demand for it, so therefore, we don't want it. I I
[02:23:06] Unknown:
yeah.
[02:23:07] Unknown:
Go. Yeah. Hey, John. Do you I wanted to I'm sorry for interrupting, but I wanted to find out, a, do you ship? And, b, are you are you familiar with my organic market? I know the owner up here, and all he sells is non GMO organic products in all of his stores up here.
[02:23:27] Unknown:
I mean, I don't currently produce anything but grain. So, farmers that want, you know, non GMO grain, I suppose that would be okay. But, I mean, in the past, my soybeans go to Japan for, soy sauce and, whatever that other, soy based product is they make. And, typically, the corn would just go one state over to Kentucky where it would be producing, mostly whiskey and, some other, alcohol products.
[02:24:05] Unknown:
But but your but your corn, he, all he does is sell, non GMO corn, in all of his stores, and everybody flocks to it because all the other corn is GMO. And he he you can't keep it in his store. If you don't go when the delivery is that day, it's it's gone in two hours.
[02:24:23] Unknown:
So are you talking, like, for human consumption grain or just, like, field corn grain? I I'm not clear what what he sells. Well, he sells the regular corn, that people can eat. Are you just selling the non GMO grain? Yeah. So mine mine is just field corn. It's not I mean, it'll be it would typically be used in the production of something in supply chain for human consumption, not not animal or ethanol or other things like GMO grain is, but it's not like one you eat. So it's not like a sweet corn or anything like that that that you would eat. So I could I could find out I could find out who his suppliers are for the non GMO corn that would use your grain and potentially,
[02:25:05] Unknown:
get you in touch with those farms. Because he only he only buys local from the East Coast.
[02:25:12] Unknown:
I see. What I need is the buyer for distilleries. That's what I really need because it would be local to me. It has to be something that's feasible to truck it there. If you go too far, then it just doesn't pencil out. Right? So, seeing that my end users were distilleries in the past, and there was just a middleman supplying it, I'm gonna have to scratch real hard to see if I can find a way to bypass the middleman and see if I can find the market for it on my own or I'm gonna be in trouble.
[02:25:40] Unknown:
Is is is Virginia too far is Virginia too far for you to ship? Because I have a friend who just has his own whiskey, distillery here in Virginia. I've toured it, and it's amazing.
[02:25:52] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, it would be pretty far. So yeah.
[02:25:57] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. Sorry. I was just going to help.
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Sure thing. So yeah, so anyway, I just thought I would explain. It's a bit weird. You know, we we get this news that that other countries don't want our our GMO products, but I can't seem to find a buyer for a non GMO product. So what the hell is the story?
[02:26:13] Unknown:
Right. I can understand why they wouldn't want the GMO products, especially from us. But, I I I can't figure out why you can't find a buyer or why that guy canceled. People stopped drinking whiskey or what?
[02:26:29] Unknown:
I mean, I'm sure there's other outlets. It's not to say that they exclusively went there by any means. But, I was told that, for anyone that has current contracts, they reduced their purchase by 20%. So they retracted the purchases and then others, they just canceled them.
[02:26:49] Unknown:
Wow. And those are all domestic potential buyers. Right? Yep.
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If I really want the name drop, I'd tell you the I'd tell you the institution, but I won't do that. Well, that's the is this booming it's the booming economy Trump's telling us about. Right? Yeah.
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Roger.
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Yep. Yes. Samuel.
[02:27:11] Unknown:
If you want, I can fill John a little bit. I was on the road, a little, on who Joel Salatin is. He's he didn't have the PMA problem. That was what he he's a farmer's advocate. He speaks in front of congress. He goes all over the country and Europe speaking about the problems with family farming and farming in general. Mhmm. And he's he started out, as a professional. And, he inherited the farm in the Shenandoah Valley where the land was pretty much wore out. And he took it over and turned it into Wonderland with no chemical fertilizer, etcetera. Mhmm. And he supplies dozens and dozens of restaurants, high quality food.
Now he was successful in that, but he has a hard time, you know, with all the regulation, trying to get through congress, what they really need to do to change the farming world. And this PMA issue was an issue that came up with a client, not him. But it the the thing that I think Joel and and a lot of farmers would be open to is Roger's message. I think it's perfect for them. And that's that's all I'm trying to to get us to do is to contact Joel, let him know about Roger, and go from there.
[02:28:43] Unknown:
I think that you would be surprised. My first instinct is to say that most people who own a farm such as me or you would be probably very standoffish because they know that they have a lot of assets on the line, and they're scared to death to make the wrong move. And Agree. I mean, you know, it means scare tactics are what have been unleashed on the public for a whole life, and they've done a really good job at it. I've mentioned it to very few other farmers, and they were not they they weren't open to hearing it. I didn't mention it to anyone that's in my immediate area, but others, yeah, they just weren't receptive to it. And it's not to say the next guy you talk to,
[02:29:41] Unknown:
wouldn't be. But it's a hard Joel's the kind of guy, John, that people will listen to. And he if you I I sent his last blog, which is on subject here on point. I sent it to Paul. I sent it to, Lisa. So, and, Mer, so they could post it for anybody who wants to read it. But it it reads like he's skeptical of the PMA because of this bad thing that happened. And I sort of blogged back, and I said, hey. Well, listen. You guys are using the sovereignty word, which is a no no to start with. You gotta get rid of that or they're gonna look at you as a terrorist. And then the the thing with the PMA is fine, but you wanna really have that PMA have some strength. You don't wanna be a federal citizen.
And that's pretty much where I left it. But I think Joel is open to this message, and people listen to Joel. So if we can get him, I think that's a cornerstone.
[02:30:43] Unknown:
If if I can make a comment, I think one of the things that the farmers have going on is farm subsidies really have them by the huevos. They are afraid to do anything because some of them rely on farm subsidies from the very beast that has them under their thumb to survive.
[02:31:04] Unknown:
Without those subsidies, they go away with it. You bring up And they were the You bring up the great point. Communism in this country is to could take over the food supply. You know? It's they've they've been indoctrinated longer than anybody.
[02:31:19] Unknown:
If you listen to that, training with the enemies video that, rancher doctor rancher did, he focuses a lot on the farming industry, and, actually, that's how they shoehorned a lot It was through the Department of Agriculture, so it's always been a center of focus. Sure has. Afternoon,
[02:31:38] Unknown:
both of them. Here's their loading ramps. That's correct. Alger Hiss with Harry Dexter White, the the experimental jurisprudence in the New Deal speech was done by the guy from the Department of Agriculture. They've had firm control of it. Probably the first thing they went after, you know, ages wise. You know,
[02:32:01] Unknown:
I've had this conversation with a lot of people and farmers in general, I do believe, you know, the government wants to keep farmers poor. They want to keep, they want to keep a perception of the public that they're rich, but in reality, you know, they're very dependent on the government and they're just barely getting by year to year. Because if, if you really know how the books run for a farm, you have all of the liabilities and debt load that's carried every year. But as far as the assets go, I mean, they're in the many, many, many, many millions for most farmers, and you can't let those assets nowhere on my books.
Do I get to go? The hell I don't know. Take a simple take a simple scenario, good Credit Karma. And Credit Karma, they wanna know or they already know. What's your net worth? Right? You look at mine. I've entered it in just for the hell of it. I wanna see if it'll show up. They won't. They will not put it in there. They just won't recognize it. Because if they did, all of a sudden, the 1% of the population or farmers in the world would be considered, like, the most rich people asset rich people in existence, and they can't have that.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
Well, they're also liability rich too. That's the problem. You see a farmer with a million dollar combine, it doesn't mean he can afford a million dollar combine. It means he's up to his eyeballs in debt because of the million dollar combine.
[02:33:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. They're pushing all of the liability onto each individual to carry for, what, a two or 3% margin? I mean, it's it's absolutely mind blowing, And I'll just use an example. I I'm I'm not gonna get too specific, but let's just say, you know, in a in a farm like mine, you may have $20,000,000 in assets, like land and another 4 or $5,000,000 in equipment, and you've gotta hire people to work, and you work full time every day, and at the end of the year, you might make $40,000. In what world does that make sense? Wow. None.
[02:34:08] Unknown:
John, I'm in, California, and I listened to this guy who's, he's he's part of the legislative branch, and he's fourth generation farmer. And he says that 80% of the land in California is still owned by family farms, and the legislature does everything it can do every year to put them out of business. Absolutely. That's what we're facing. Once they control that completely, oh, man. Are we in trouble with our food supply? You know?
[02:34:42] Unknown:
Anyway, it's tough. Speaking from personal experience, you know, everybody deals with federal and state. Well, even the local, township that, where my farm presides, they come and and they extort you for theirs too. So if it isn't already on the the tax roll for real estate, property taxes, or if it doesn't have a license plate on it, it's subject to personal property taxes, and they're gonna come and collect whatever the hell they feel like any given year. And, and you've gotta pay up. They they actually show up to your place, and they can forcefully enter it.
[02:35:19] Unknown:
May I? I have a question for John. I'm wondering, not knowing anything about this, isn't there or shouldn't there be some centralized place where companies list, you know, what they're looking for as far as farm product or a place where farmers can present what they have? Is there or is there not a centralized location like website where I mean, otherwise, if it was me, you know, I'd just be contacting different companies that I know sell this type of stuff. But is isn't there something like that, John?
[02:36:08] Unknown:
No. Not really. I mean, I'm sure there's lots of local cooperatives that, you know, small individuals have set up for communities. I I don't doubt those exist, but on any larger scale, I've never heard of anything like that. I mean, back in, like, the sixties and the seventies, collective bargaining, that was the term. So collective bargaining was a thing. There's a couple of organizations that advocated for farmers. My dad actually worked in office for one of them for a number of years at a state level and then at a national level. And, they just they didn't really stand the test of time.
I don't know if you remember back in I would assume it would be the fifties. I hope I'm recalling the right decade because it's before my time. The dairy farmers took all their milk and dumped it because they were trying to, you know, or they they were they were standing up against low dairy prices, so they all went and just dumped their milk. I don't know if that I remember that.
[02:37:12] Unknown:
And what about when they were trying to shoot the cows with that something that made them produce more milk or something a few years ago, but was, had had damage repercussions? I don't remember what that I just vaguely remember the incident.
[02:37:26] Unknown:
Probably a separate bovine growth hormone, I believe. It. Thank you, Lisa.
[02:37:32] Unknown:
Bovine Well, don't they don't they radiate the milk? Don't they radiate some milk? I don't know. I mean, that's the worst part. They pasteurize it
[02:37:40] Unknown:
and and and homogenize it. And that's when heart problems started going straight out of the ceiling back in the forties when they started doing that. Because it breaks down that fat module larger? It breaks down that fat module from where the body's meant to handle it to as much smaller and it does damage. What, Dave?
[02:38:02] Unknown:
Boy. Yeah. I just want you guys to check out a website. It's called eatwild.com. Eatwild.com. Check it out, John. You might be able to, you know, get some traction there. Everybody you can find, you know, clean food there. I yield. Mhmm. I'll
[02:38:21] Unknown:
tell you the other people But I I think you're right. Go ahead. People's lactose intolerance and allergies, it all comes from the stupid processing they're doing in the foodies. They mess up all up on purpose. Every good thing that you can think of, you know, some take something as simple as an almond, you know, a good raw almond has so many good properties, but by the time they get done with those, they're not even worth a damn on the shelf, You know? Right. I mean, everything.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Well, that's why I'm glad I'm in Ecuador. I'll tell you that. I hear y'all having to go through all this crap up there, and we just don't have anything like that down here.
[02:38:58] Unknown:
So I was watching a short brief article. Another member here on, on this group that doesn't necessarily join anymore turned me onto this, but there's a site called 153news.net. 153news.net. I have no affiliation to this, by the way. There's super good information that people submitted there. They were calling attention to the fact that much of the product that Whole Foods is selling under their, I think it's what, three sixty five label, whatever brand is actually certified organic from China where there is actually no certification process at all. Right.
[02:39:38] Unknown:
So Every day is a scam, ma'am. It's all a scam. Yeah.
[02:39:43] Unknown:
Yeah. It's all it really is. So you need to be careful too. If you buy something organic from a store off of the shelf, make sure that it says does not say that it was sourced from China. When they put a query in on this, the USDA said it's not our responsibility. It's China's responsibility to certify it. And then they went to China, and China said, no. It's not our responsibility. It's each farm's responsibility to hire their own certifier to certify the product. So nothing like validating your own product to make sure that it meets all specs. Right? And
[02:40:13] Unknown:
yep. Yeah. There you go. Well, it's a doggy doggy world, John. Yep. Roger.
[02:40:23] Unknown:
Yes. Roger, John. Yeah. This is David McCum. I've got a lot of Amish friends, and, the first Amish guy we met when we moved up here, He started his brothers, they all live on the same street and they've got hundreds of acres and they grow organic food and they sell to Whole Foods. All their number one crops go to Whole Foods. I don't know what they do with it, but it's Whole Foods in Michigan and, you know and then he sells the seconds and thirds out of his you know little warehouse at his you know right at his farm and, they grow some good food. They're they don't use any, you know, even the organic crap that they allow you to use, they don't use it.
They're all natural.
[02:41:15] Unknown:
I'm looking at other options for future years. I mean, we exclusively grow corn and soybeans. I mean, it's just a different world. It's not the type of thing that you're gonna go sell that somebody's gonna sit down and eat at the table. But I have at least one cousin that, last year, so this present crop year, he signed up for some sort of cooperative with a company that will come in and work with you as long as you provide the land to do large scale. But I'm not really sure about fruits, but certainly vegetables, a whole variety of vegetables on this land that used to just produce corn and soybeans.
And, you know, like they'll, they'll provide the manual labor and you provide the land and you plan it and I think they help harvest it. So I was kind of waiting to see how that went because it's, it's, it's still kind of a big scale thing. Right? I mean, if you put on 300 acres of vegetables, that's, that's nothing just sort of, you know, to sniff at. So, I was kinda waiting to see how that worked out for him this year, and I may consider something like that for future years, but that's a way different direction than our family farm is traditional Ben.
[02:42:26] Unknown:
Comment. Or comment. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Absolutely. Go. If you will revert to the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1949, that's where everything comes forth. The congress is adamant about maintaining a current farm bill. You know? Who gives crap about the farmers? But when it comes time for a farm bill renewal, that does come to the surface. Because if the current farm bill is ever allowed to expire, and it's been this way since '49 because it's written in that, law, the everything reverts back to the act of, yes, the act of '49, which is to maintain parity pricing.
Mhmm. Most of you are not aware of what parity pricing is. It's the prices farmers received during the golden era of agriculture, which was I think it was 1914 to 1917. That's when relative to all other prices, that's when prices were the highest for agricultural products. And if you listen to farm broadcast generally early in the morning, they'll occasionally mention parity prices for certain certain crops. And those were published by USDA every week. Supposed to be, but they got the farmer by the short hairs.
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Yep.
[02:44:17] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Who was this speaking? This is Joe in Oklahoma. He's from Western Oklahoma out there.
[02:44:24] Unknown:
I got it. You sound like you're pretty Jinkx. Are you in the agricultural industry yourself?
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Sir?
[02:44:30] Unknown:
Are you in the agricultural industry yourself? Most definitely.
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Okay. And Gene Schroeder is an expert
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on this act of 49. And and Gene's a personal friend to Joe's here. He's the guy that did Ward Emergency Powers, and Joe knew all the people that were involved in that.
[02:44:48] Unknown:
So I'm actually familiar with parity pricing. Joe, do you happen to remember an organization I don't know if it's kind of me to ask. How old are you?
[02:44:59] Unknown:
Almost 77.
[02:45:01] Unknown:
You absolutely would then. Do you remember the organization, National Farmers Organization, NFO? Yes, sir. Okay. So my dad was vice president there for a number of years, and he was state president in Indiana for most of my life.
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They try to make an impact, but farm bureau help break them.
[02:45:22] Unknown:
Yep. So, you know, it was always butting heads with farm bureau and farm bureau coming in as a cooperative that was supposed to be there to benefit the farmer. Well, I mean, we can see how that went. They're a retail outlet. They're they're they're not there to help the farmers whatsoever. But, yeah, I don't know. They just managed to just shrink in a photo to nothing. It still exists. I think it's in it's still it's either in Ames or I think it's actually in Nevada, Iowa, if I remember correctly now. It wasn't Ames. But it's down to, like, one little storefront building where it used to be a big corporate park.
But, yeah, I mean, my my family was active, and and they fought in that battle for my whole life. I mean, that's all I knew growing up.
[02:46:03] Unknown:
If, if you care to learn about the farm economy and the economy in general, the basics of it, are followed by the name of Charles Walters junior, Raw Materials Economics. It's the name of the book. And, I haven't participated in it for several years, but there's an organization called the National Organization for Raw Materials.
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And,
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there's you can learn an awful lot about what goes on, why things are the way they are in agriculture.
[02:46:52] Unknown:
Can you repeat that book? Joke.
[02:46:55] Unknown:
Hold on, Jerry. Can you repeat that book and author, Joe, please, slowly so John can write it down?
[02:47:04] Unknown:
Yes. The name of the book is Raw, r a w, Materials Economics. Okay. Thank you. And it's, the author is Charles Walter Junior.
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K.
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And, there's another organization that they're the ones that printed the book. Actually, it's called Acres USA. Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. And, library congress number, if you're interested, is 9191Dash76287. Got it. Okay. Appreciate that. The add the address in the book for Acres USA is Acres USA, Box 9547, Kansas it Kansas City, MO
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K.
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64113 Dash 9547.
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Okay. Got it.
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Cool. I remember that. But Joe from the nineties, I had a copy of it from some Yep.
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Acres USA. I remember. 1991.
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Yep.
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If I may read just a paragraph enter that's a paragraph. Who could have thought that it would be easier to produce by toil and skill all the most necessary or desirable commodities than it is to find consumers for them? It is certain that the economic problems with which we are now confronted is not adequately solved. Indeed, it is not solved at all by the teachings of the textbooks. However, grand may be their logic, however illustrious may be their own Winston Churchill. Ah. That was from 1932. Mhmm.
[02:49:28] Unknown:
See, John, you never know what you're gonna learn when you come on here. Hey, Gary.
[02:49:34] Unknown:
Well, this discussion has avoided the topic of the commodity market out of Chicago, which is totally controlled by the, guess who, the chicken swingers. Yeah.
[02:49:45] Unknown:
So,
[02:49:47] Unknown:
you know, just like gold and silver markets are controlled out of the city of London. It's all being controlled.
[02:49:54] Unknown:
By the chicken swingers. You you know, I mean to that is
[02:49:59] Unknown:
that is all facilitated. And I agree with you, Gary, but that is all facilitated by the colleges and universities because they teach this crap to the students. Yep. And that's that's the reason that you you can't get out from under it. Because that's it's And then they charge them a student loan, and it carries
[02:50:19] Unknown:
so high a percentage that the person of the first couple of years, they pay the I heard a girl paying 1,300 a month. And she looks up and she owed more than she did to start.
[02:50:34] Unknown:
No. My chiropractor paid $60,000. Yeah. My chiropractor played paid $60,000 for her chiropractic degree. She's getting ready to retire. She paid 500 a month for all those decades, and they tell her she still owes $600,000.
[02:50:54] Unknown:
There you go. You sure You soon. You gotta get that poem from, Paul from Paul and play it. By the way, this afternoon's Paul's show. So you gotta dart out early, don't you? Yep. So, anyway, it was a a poem by Ezra Pound he read called Usura. Very, dramatic reading. Okay. So who else has got something to bring forth here? Todd, are you still hanging around? You and your gang? We got some new folks on here, John. We pierced, somebody had their own group with our, message, and they've been coming around here last week or so. So you may wanna know May I? Yeah. Well, of course, you may. Yes, ma'am.
[02:51:47] Unknown:
John, I understand what you're saying about, location, but I wanted to just mention, you know, Bragg's aminos, they say non GMO soy. That might be, a place you could contact. I have no idea, but,
[02:52:09] Unknown:
Braggs is a vendor group.
[02:52:12] Unknown:
It's been bought by Bill No. No. No. They have many they have many products. They have many products. Alright. But I I would love to see John's, I agree, Roger. There are not necessarily good people. These people only own small percentage. Like Katy Perry, they only own a small percentage of the company. But I'm just thinking, like, if it was me, I'd probably be at the computer day and night looking for companies that need my product and contacting them. If I could help in any way, I'd be happy to.
[02:52:51] Unknown:
I appreciate that. I'm I'm still looking. All of this kinda got dropped on my head this year. So, now I'm furiously trying to find a a new outlet for it. So that was a bit unexpected.
[02:53:04] Unknown:
Well, so what we could do for you, John? We well, there you go. We're gonna have to take a picture. You can we can pray for you. That's one way. If I may interrupt again. Go ahead, Joe. Please do.
[02:53:16] Unknown:
There's another book by Chuck Walters called Unforgiven. The American the American economic system sold for debt and war.
[02:53:34] Unknown:
Yeah. Very true. Is that your reached our dollar.
[02:53:44] Unknown:
And the just a minute. I'm gonna get you if you're interested, I'm gonna get you this. I wanna know whose rooster is.
[02:53:59] Unknown:
Murr, is that your rooster?
[02:54:00] Unknown:
That is Gary. That is Gary's rooster. That is your new Gary. Okay.
[02:54:08] Unknown:
I thought maybe Murr went and got her big old rooster.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
But, Roger, Roger Yes, sir. If you will talk bring us up to, Brent tomorrow.
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Wow.
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He he would love to talk about
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this. Oh, he'd he'd fly off in in a direction where I'd whole two hours would be gone.
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Because the fellow by the name of Carl Wilkin is the one that started all this, but, raw material and economics. And, but Chuck Walters was born in Ness County, Kansas in 1926.
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K.
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And, anyway
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Alright. I'm forgiven. Chuck Walters. Charles Walters. Charles Walters. There you go. You got you got more than your bargained for calling in today, John. Okay. Well, good. I'm glad. Yeah. Well, I was always good to hear your voice. Yeah. Larry I have the author, Joe, of those books is Charles Walters.
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Joe? Yes. Yes.
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Okay. Because I thought Roger that they you were saying molten. I wanna make sure I have the right I'm finding it.
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I'll tell you what I wanna do. I I don't know how to put anything in the chat, Lisa.
[02:55:45] Unknown:
I've put them in the chat. I've put them both in the chat from that Baker's bookstore.
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I'm gonna take a picture of both of them, and I'm gonna send them to you, and you can put them in the chat.
[02:55:59] Unknown:
Well, I have links to that USA Acres bookstore, and and the links to both of those books, I have already put in there. So that's not necessary, but thank you.
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Alright. Hey, Paul. Think we ought to extend the show to three hours? Just an idea. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Larry, you've been marginalized for fifteen minutes. Yeah. What you got?
[02:56:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I noticed that, but, it's alright. I was doing deliveries too. So, I'd like to get back to answering Samuel's question. So we all know that the national status information is is hit and miss with people, and it only resonates with certain people. And, we all know how that turned out with with this rents guy. We thought it was gonna be a hit with him, but we all know how that turned out. And so my suggestion is, you know, we we spent, like, an hour on the show talking about that, you know, this farmer, he, knows how to speak to people, and this information would would do well with him.
I would just suggest, Samuel, just send him a postcard. I mean, my my youngest kid gets postcards from from school. We look forward to seeing you, and I think that would, have a great influence on someone to get a postcard. I I can tell you, and you could just put on that postcard. Hey. Could you could you listen to Roger sales program?
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Or send them a a God's Trump card and a place to look for it. If the you know, it's funny, and we were told back in the nineties by one of our, house representative staff members there. They have in DC and an office in the district, and they said, listen. We get all kind of emails. We don't we don't pay attention to them. You can fax us. We really don't pay attention to them. You can write us a letter. You're probably gonna get a form response. But when somebody sends us a postcard handwritten, we pay attention to that because we know they took the effort to do it, and we figure at least 50 people in the district feel the same way. Postcards work as as you would not think they might. Put it that way. Roger. Exactly. So I when I got home from work yesterday,
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my youngest is is, is 16 with Down syndrome, and he immediately ran up to me with a postcard that he got from his teacher, and it said, we look forward to seeing you back at school. He goes to a a school, you know, for special needs. Yeah. And he just thought that was the greatest thing on this Earth. How cool. He was so proud of getting that postcard. So postcards work. Uh-huh. Roger? Yes, Robbie?
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I just wanted to let folks know that Polyface Farm, if if you're somewhat local, is a place you can actually visit, and you'll get a tour from the man himself. My daughter did that. We're in North Carolina, and she said it was a wonderful day, and they just loved him. Mhmm. So if anybody's close enough to get up there and visit him personally, they might be able to have an impact, maybe have lunch with him, or who knows what. Julie might wanna do a field trip.
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That went over stir sturlingly. Okay. Well, John, thanks for dropping by today. Whoever I have a feeling I know who poked you. Yeah. Yep. Thanks for having me, Roger. Oh, John, it's always a pleasure. Come on, man. I love to see the older folks come back. We've had that. Brian Howard showed up late recently, couple of times, who, somebody else was on there. Dwayne. Dwayne may be with us out of New Orleans. Hadn't been there in a while, and it's great to see the folks that are out in the world come back because, you know, the only time I think I'm gonna see you generally is if you have a problem. And the fact that we never see most of you means there's no problem. So that's fantastic.
So, anyway, Paul is off. He's got Paul English show this afternoon. Oh, good lord. I forgot all about that.
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Oh, I had to remind you.
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So we're not gonna do my magic jack today. Don't worry. You got plenty on your plate. We'll maybe look at it tomorrow over the weekend. Okay?
[03:00:32] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm also adding another computer to my network. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a dedicated magic jack and just hook it up to the back channels that I use to interconnect the computers. That way, I'll be able to bring a phone call on the air.
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Oh, okay. Cool. So well, we continue to make progress. John, good to hear your voice. I'm gonna take off. And, it's a stunning, stunning
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summer type day. You don't have a great day.
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Pardon me? Not very big.
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Yeah. Thank you, John.
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Yep. And everybody that contributed. And, if y'all wanna send, our farmer guy emails, please follow-up on it. Maybe we'll have some success. You never know where the arrow's gonna land. Well, I William the Conker. You just never know.
[03:01:21] Unknown:
I sent him a book, but I asked but I asked him to excuse the drink from a fire hose.
[03:01:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So So, I'm a go have me a nice steak and eggs lunch, and I will see you fine folks tomorrow with mister Winters. And, as always, it'll be a good show because you can't do a bad show with Brent Winters. I've learned that over years. That's okay. So, I love each and every one of you, and I'll look forward to, chatting with you tomorrow. And hope you got something out of all this stuff today. Boy, poor Todd and his his ladies that are here. You guys have got to be getting overwhelmed. And I'm tickled to death to do it, and I know you're receptive. So we'll look for you tomorrow with Brent. Ciao ciao, guys, girls.
Take care very much. Alright. See you, Paul.
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Alright. Well, I don't I don't know if I really had all the facts right, but I but I think I still think what I wrote to Joel was, pretty, applicable. I said, dear Joel, please excuse the drink from a fire hose. What happened to you was due to a number of factors. First, under the Trading with the Enemy Act, fourteenth amendment US citizens are considered enemies of the state. The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that law enforcement can engage in disinformation in the course of an investigation. That's how agents were legally able to lie to entrap you. Those who operate lawfully, though not always legally, have to be lucky 100% of the time.
Law enforcement only has to be lucky once. Now don't let me lose you by thinking that I'm saying you were operating illegally before I explain the difference between legal and lawful because there is indeed a difference. Legal is man made law written to harvest, control, or intimidate the public. Lawful is God's law where you always wanna be. They have probably been trying to pierce your PMA for some time, and we're just waiting for a trusting soul to sell to them. Going forward, I see you have a couple of action items. Number one, kiss the Fed's butt to get your current problem to go away.
Number two, using the word stop using the word sovereign. Number three, issue an absolutely no tolerance policy where no member is able to do business with you without proof of membership even if they have to rejoin every time they purchase. After that sales, his information on how the republic was overturned and converted to a corporatocracy and how you can return to God's law and be recognized by the federal government as a national and nonresident alien. All US citizens are nationals, but the law of the city applicable only to US citizens overlays and supersedes citizens' access to the bill of rights, equal protections under the law, and recognition as God's property and not a servant of man.
Dropping citizenship and retaining national status is easy and can be done with a single sentence. Sorry for the book. I will leave my contact information, the Radio Ranch websites, and my personal phone number. We need you to continue fighting for food freedom, safety, and purity, so we are here to help you. The first website is the matrixstocks.com. Second website, nationalstatus.com. My email is [email protected], and my cell number is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Thank you, Paul Beaner. Whatever.
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So that word is pronounced applicable, not applicable. Applicable.
[03:05:11] Unknown:
Accents on the first syllable. You can mute yourself right now. Like, you you can my gosh. I have not missed in hearing that
[03:05:19] Unknown:
voice at all. You can mute yourself right now and leave. You're not welcome here. Go away, and don't come back. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.
[03:05:32] Unknown:
Well, sir, may I ask Paul, who was who who who was that?
[03:05:36] Unknown:
Oh, that was Ferris.
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Okay. I'm just curious. Alright.
[03:05:42] Unknown:
Yeah. That was Ferris.
[03:05:46] Unknown:
And there's still an anonymous that's unmuted. Lisa that you've heard me inter you've heard me, I'm a call it interrupt, quite a few times. I I'm sorry I have a way of doing that, but I try always to be very short and concise. And I'm and I've been a I've been a little bit rude with a couple people today.
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I thought it was Ferris Bueller's day off.
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No. It never is.
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Motherfucker.
[03:06:12] Unknown:
I hey. Hey. Hey. We're still streaming. Chill out. I see. Let's just oh, okay. So we have been streaming
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for
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see, I have to make a note, so I can go in and edit that out at the three hour and six minute mark on a day that I have no time to edit archives because I'm I'm going straight from this show to Paul English. Come on, people. We we have we have multiple people here that that don't wanna hear that stuff. So check the f bombs at the door, please. Dave,
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all you're doing is yourself to Paris's stature when you do that.
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I didn't do that. Consider that's very disconcerting.
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Who was it? Who was it?
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I didn't do that. That wasn't me, Joe. You check your mouth, buddy.
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If it wasn't Dave, it's me. Yeah. I will.
[03:07:21] Unknown:
If it wasn't Dave, it would work. Problem, dude. I never did nothing to you. You get off my back, Jack.
[03:07:30] Unknown:
Okay.
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We're gonna change it. We're gonna change it, chillin's. We're taking another stab at it here today on the August 7. I was just telling Paul it's That means 08/07/2025. Here you are looking for freedom at the Radio Ranch, and Roger Sales is here to help deliver to you. If, if you're willing and open and you really want freedom, I believe we can help you achieve that. I would take another stab at it anyway. At this point, we bring mister Bean around, who's having some confusion a little bit this morning, I think, to, identify the folks that help us out and help us extend our reach and all that stuff. And I'm pretty sure, unfortunately, Alan's probably not with us today.
But one of these days, pretty soon, he may show up, so you never know. Anyway, Paul, could you do that duty if you would, please?
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Yes. Yes. I can do that. Okay. Yeah. I I just had a remote control failure of the, of the machine that manages the show, so I had to start it live from its console. So it may not have happened at exactly the top of the hour. If it didn't, I apologize. No. You're no. You're right on the nose, man. I was kinda blind there. Still can't see what's going on, so don't do anything illegal, immoral, or fattening anyone. Anyways, we're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to Paul, our buddy, across the pond. We're also on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. That address is radio.globalvoiceradio.net.
However, it's entirely unnecessary if you just go to the matrixdocs.com. The matrixd0cs.com. You'll find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. You'll also find the Eurofocal Global Voice links. You'll find downloadables, exhibits, resources, interviews, veritable plethora of things. You may just think like you're getting a drink out of a fire hose after you hit that website. And Well, a lot of new folks that come around here, I'm sure go through that, and,
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there's no way you can help it. You know? And you've, if many of you have had that idea throughout your, preceding years, at some stage, if something's wrong, Probably have it more than I did back in the sixties, but I could sense it back then. And you start something's wrong, and you go back to your life and this, that, and the other, and all of a sudden, bam, one day, you confront it somehow, cross paths with it. And, many some of you, anyway, are guided here, and we're more than happy to receive you. To us, you're, one of the chosen. We're the chosen people, the big g god. They're, chosen by the small g god.
And, it's and for those of you who are new, you can prove that. I can anyway with, back in 2008 during the high housing crisis and, Lloyd Blankfein, who was in the head of Goldman Sachs, got up in a public forum and and somebody I don't remember if somebody asked him about it or he just included it, and he said, we're doing God's work. And the whole audience, oh, and the the newspapers the next day have capital g God. He knew which God he was talking about. He knew plain well which God he was talking about, and they go back to the synagogue, and they just whoop it up, boy.
Yeah. How does dumb go? Yeah. We put it right in front of them. Well, that's no longer the case here, at least at this little patch of ground. Samuel, was that you?
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Yes, sir. I think we got some ripe fruit to pick. I mean, I've been watching Joel Salatin now for, you know, a couple of years. Uh-huh.
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And tell our audience, there's people who might not know who he is. You gotta give a little background to the new folks.
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Joel, is called also the lunatic farmer, and he's got a a where he's communicating with people. For the testifies in front of Congress about the plight of the farmings in America mostly and how everything they wanna do is illegal. And just recently, they they tried PMAs, and the government sent agents out to trick them into selling them something without the paperwork. So now they're being charged. Mm-mm. And I just sent them a a a little comment to them. And they're used to solve world. You know, you wanna drop Wait.
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Wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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Call you. Samuel. Samuel. Samuel.
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Yeah. Get up higher on the ladder or get closer to a window or whatever. You're clipping in and out, and we really wanna hear what you're saying. So get you get yourself in a better position and start over.
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Yes.
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Alright. Start over. Oh my god.
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Well, you know, we we tried to get a word in edgewise, but, obviously, you couldn't hear us trying to tell you you were clipping. So
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Okay.
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Is this better? It seems to be. Yeah. Am I clipping?
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It won't know till you start. Alright. Alright.
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Let's see about Joe Salatin. He's, called a lunatic farmer. He has successfully built a very organic farming system. He's all over the country out trying to help farmers because, basically he wrote a book, everything we wanna do, along with many other papers is illegal because trying to go organic and doing things simply without regulation, etcetera, is a problem for the farmers. Now recently, they tried a PMA, and they sent government agents out to trick these people into selling them something without the paperwork, and now they're under charges. So that was the topic for today on his site.
And they used the sovereignty word in there, and I told them drop the s word because they're gonna call you a terrorist. If you're gonna do the PMA, it'd be better if you did it by by not being a fourteenth amendment citizen and changing your status to a state citizen or what we call a national. And I left it at that, but if more of us would contact Joel, get on that site, and tell him more about Roger, we could have that whole farming community, which is gonna be a lot of people doing this
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and getting themselves some freedom and getting us some decent food. Well, that would, throw a hitch in their giddy up. That's for sure. But, you know, mister Salzen was told about this about a year ago by, Thor's husband, Ed, Okay. Who's, who is an anesthesiologist, but he's also up there that meeting they had about a year ago, maybe over, and he told him about this. So he's been exposed to it. Okay. But if you guys wanna go to his website It's like
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the first time you hear something, Roger, not necessarily
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just do the screening. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. I was gonna say if the listeners would go to the website and leave a message similar to yours, maybe it would hammer that home. So what is it that you're you're a resistible farmer? What's his website?
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He's called the lunatic farmer, Joel Salatin. You should be able to find his blog, which I think it's a blog. You know, I one of my problems is I'm not technical in this area. People like, Paul and, you know, maybe, Julie, if, they could start sending him stuff and telling him where to go and all that, you know, that all that would start to help.
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Well, he all I can say is he's been introduced to it before, to my knowledge.
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Yeah. But he's a big fish. I think we should we should we should be putting our best lures out there and try to roll him in here because that farming community is desperate. Okay. Well name again, Samuel? Joel Salatin.
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Salatin. How did spell the last name?
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Sal, s a l t I, Tin t I n, Salat Sallaw, l a t I n.
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S a l a t I n. I think he's up in Joe. Think he's in Joel.
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J o e l. Okay. And, it's he also goes by the lunatic farmer. This guy has testified in front of Congress about the plight of these farmers, and all the regulations that's killing natural food in this country and destroying these farm families. I mean, he's he's perfect. The the farming the the biggest problem with farmers is they're they're so independent thinking, that I don't think they can think outside the box sometimes. I mean, it's it's it's hard to describe. I grew up on a dairy farm in the Midwest, and, joining an organization is not really what a farmer wants to do. You know?
They they try to do a lot of things by themselves, but, they're gonna have to be part of a group like this if they're gonna find their freedom in farming
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because the fruit of the chickens are killing them. Yeah. Do you have his email?
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I got his website address. It's called thelunaticfarmer.com.
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I I know the website. Does anybody have his email?
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Does they know I think if you go to that site that Julie's talking about, then you can get on his blog. I I I'm doing his blog. It's not necessarily, I guess, an email. But he he puts out a message. Sometimes they're once a month. Sometimes they're once a week. It it just depends on where he's traveling. He's he's on the road all the time. He's all over this country. He really knows the plight of the farmer.
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Okay. If you go to the lunaticfarmer.com, it has a contact, and you have to fill out a form. It doesn't have his email address, but my inkling would be you could email him and and type in Joel@thelunaticfarmer, hit enter, type in JoelSalatin@thelunaticfarmer, type jsalatin@thelunaticfarmer, do every combination of the email address, which I oftentimes do, and I get one hit out of that.
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The subject line could be subject to the jurisdiction thereof on everybody's email. Hey, Roger.
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Yes. I think I'm still here. Yes.
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Yes. Christian.
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Hey, Christian.
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Hey, I I had a incident. I I made three by six, banners on my land. I put no Paraquat, no Roundup, absolutely none. No chemicals sprayed on my property. Cause I had a guy spraying my fence line three foot over my fence line with, with Roundup and, I'm in the country and, I get a call. I get a, one day I get a, about, I'll put them on the front and side of my fence and a red, red, yellow, and black. And I get a, big guy with a cowboy hat, pause me about halfway up. My property said, Hey buddy, I need to talk to you. And I said, okay, I'll be over there. And I'm limping. Cause I've been, I've been injured in, in, years ago on, with, chemicals at my, at my job.
And, so I got over there and I had a walking stick and he says, yeah, I've got a problem with you. And I said, he said, he said, you own this property? I said, yeah. He said, these are your signs. I said, yeah. And, he says, I said, what's the problem, sir? He says, well, you got my name on that sign. I said, I don't think so. He says, I'm sheriff. I'm the sheriff. And I said, I said, well, you see me limping out here. I said, this is from a chemical fire. And when I worked at the waterfront in the port and I said, you know, I said, agent orange was so used all the time and our boys was, injured from there.
And, he said, he says, I don't care what you put on that sign, but take my name off. I said, well, I already put it in the court. And, and, and it's been signed, but, and, and, and stamped and file stamped and everything about this. And he says, I told you, I don't care. You seem like a pretty nice guy. I said, yeah, but I said, my kids are involved with this. They could get, they could get, poison from this stuff, through the corn, through the crops there. They don't want one blade of, weed and this, and this field and their fields.
And I said, they're spraying their fields and they're bragging about doing it every year. And I said, it's poison in our food. He said, again, I will tell you, take my name off there. I said, okay, sir. I said, I'm not going to get rid of my sign. He said, no, take a marker, a black marker. Anyway, you're going to take a knife and cut it out of there. I said, well, you you're the, you're the highest, authority in this land. Aren't you in our counties? He said, yes, I am. I said, well, don't you, don't you have, a little, worry about us getting that in our food.
You seem like a nice guy. So just do what I said. I said, okay, sir. So I took about a week and I scratch it out of there. Scratch it out of there. How did you have his name on the sign? He said, sheriff's. He said, my name is sheriff. And they told me his last name.
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Okay. That wasn't the answer to my question. How did you have sheriff on the sign?
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Oh, oh, because I put it into the, court and I put it in, the, TCQ. Also, I had to seek you on there as Texas environmental on there because I, I talked to them and they, they okayed it. But I, because I put it into the court and and the and the, and the op and the, courthouse in in paperwork about not putting that. And I just, I put by order of the sheriff because he's, you know, he was, oh, okay. I gotcha.
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I got a quest I got a, a comment here. I just sent the lunatic farmer a, message through his website. And as soon as I hit send, I got a message back that says, thank you for contacting the lunatic farmer. We are glad to pass your message on to him. You can also send an email to wendy, wendy,@polyfacefarm.com. And that's p o l y f a c e f a r m dot com. Poly face farm dot com.
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Okay. Julie, go over that. Go over that again slowly so people can pick it up again if you would, please? Excuse me, Roger.
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Excuse me, Roger. The email is [email protected]. The [email protected].
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Thank you. Alright. Well, this other one came in that message, and it must be just copy this other email. You might wanna copy this other email, so I'll go over that again. It's windy, w, e as in echo, n as in Nancy, d as in dog, y as in yes at and it's polyfacefarm.com@pasinPaul,oasinoctopus,lasinLucy,yasinyes,fasinFrank,aasinapple,casincat,easinecho,fasinfunny,aasinapple,rasinRomeo,masinmother,.com. So maybe that's great news. Maybe we we do the [email protected] and copy Wendy on that email as well. Yep. Julie,
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what I think what I'm on, I'm I'm I just sorta checked the email, is the lunatic farmer dot com, and that I'm getting a blog from him on a regular basis that you can comment into. So that's what I'm using. Yep. And supports that we get on. So
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Thank you. I'm gonna join it. I saw the blog.
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Yeah. I think he's right up the road from you. Just a second, please. I think he's right up the road from you, Julie. Isn't he in the Shenandoah Valley area? Yeah. He's in there somewhere. So he's one of your native Virginians, Julie.
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Yeah. I think that's a little bit away from me, but I wouldn't have a problem going and meeting with him if he wanted to meet with me. Okay. Well, he's, a It's called Polyphase Farms. That's the name of the farm. And he he supplies
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a lot of natural restaurants.
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Wow. And, Wendy might be his wife. So
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Alright. Now somebody else is saying comment, please. Who was it? It's a brisk conversation starting this morning. Who's that? Is that Tom? That's Tom d, I think. That's me. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Yep.
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Yeah. Hey. Just for future reference, there's a program that I use. It's called melissa.com, just like it sounds, and the woman's name melissa.com. You get a free subscription there. They give you a thousand points to do email searches. And what you can do is if you have, you know, an inkling of somebody's what an email address might be, you can put that into their into their tool that they have on the site. You could put, like, [email protected], and it will tell you whether it's a valid email address or not and what the chances of it being delivered, you know, sometime because I have sometimes I have to email people, and I have no idea what their email address is.
And, you know, you can do j smith smith john john dot smith, you know, all kinds of different permutations, and it's like three points per search. So you can get 333 cert free searches a month. Melissa.com, it's a really great tool. So if you have an idea what the domain name is, you can do different, permutations of the person's name and try to find a valid email address. So There you go. Like you guys already did, but figured I would add that so that in the future, if you're looking for somebody an email address for somebody, this tool will tell you whether it's valid or not. I mean, you can just try it and it'll bounce, but, you know, sometimes and sometimes in bigger domains, not like Gmail or whatnot, but like a company's domain, they will have what's called a catch all email address, and they'll have it on the server because that's what I used to do.
And it will it will grab every email going to that domain and dump it into a mailbox that the administrator or somebody will look at. But info at a info at whatever domain, customer service at whatever domain. There's a bunch of different, the ones I use are legal at, you know, whatever domain because of the lawsuits that I filed, but, and notices. But that's a really great tool. So, anybody ever needs it, just go there. It's really great. Okay? Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Good evening. Roger,
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regarding the gentleman who was complaining about, you know, pesticides on his property, the, and herbicides. Joel keeps you up on what the new regulations are, and about a week ago, he put out a blog that all of the regulations and he compared it to being like COVID. Instead of for the pharmaceutical business, it's gonna be for the pet for the pesticide and herbicide businesses, the big chemical companies. Basically, the Trump administration is gonna allow them now to only be regulated basically by whether the EPA says it's okay or not to use an herbicide or a pesticide.
So he says it's gonna be everything's gonna get used. Everything's gonna get approved, and this stuff is gonna be everywhere. And, you know, it's good to follow this guy in order to know this stuff is coming so that maybe it can be protested. But, he's he's comparing it to because what they're gonna do is there's there's not gonna be any ramifications for anybody's health problems, just like in COVID, is basically what he was saying when you get a herbicide or a pesticide poison.
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Well, it seems to me from the way you told this whole story that the problem is that the damn farmer didn't adhere to the PMA rules and make these people sign something before he sold something to him. There's the problem right there. They tricked him, Roger.
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They sent agents out there, and and they got one person. And then they it was sort of like a child going to a mother and father and trying to get the answer they want. Well, that's alright.
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If the guy was if the guy was if he set up a PMA and he was told the rules and he didn't follow through, it's his fault. In my eyes
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Whatever. Okay. Well Well, I've I You got governments you got government funding agents to go out and trick citizens.
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I don't I I can't stand for that either. Well, what do you mean, man? They put the who is the cooking gal they put in jail for lying to the FBI twenty years ago? You know, this is Stewart. Yeah. This is not something new. Okay? But the point is if we teach them how to be nationals, are they gonna know how to do that too and follow through? That's my question. K?
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So, anyway, if I can Well, this is after this this farm this farm went through all the hoops. You you read the blog. I mean No. I cannot. I'm not gonna go family farm has been generations in business serving the public, filling all of the requirements of the government, but then they realized the government made them run through all kinds of hoops and problems and this and that and never intended to give them a license. So they finally said screw it, and they went to PMA way. They were doing that just fine, but then the government sent out agents to trick them into giving them something without a piece of paperwork, which the agent told them lies in so in order for that to happen. So that this is what we're dealing with. You know?
Unscrupulous
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people who would do anything. I'm sorry. There's nothing new, Samuel. It's been going on for a long time. Say Roger? Yes.
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Yeah. This is Dwayne. Dwayne. You know, I told you the all y'all the other day. Good morning. I told all y'all the other day about the hassle I've been having with the cops and surveillance and what have you for Yeah. Over nineteen years. Right. I a couple of months ago, maybe about, I don't know, six, eight months ago, whatever it was, I plugged in a quick search to find out, about how the police can lie to you. And I it took me maybe twenty minutes to find I forget, eight I've got it at my computer. Eight or nine court cases. I think a cup at least one, but I think two were Supreme Court cases that allow the police to lie to you, on interrogation.
And as far as I'm concerned, anytime you're talking to a policing agent, you are being interrogated even if it's just to ask about the sunshine and the weather. So just beware, and they can do this to US citizens all day long because their privileges and immunities in my studies can be changed at the whim of whomever is the government agent. Now you can argue with it, but there's court cases up to the Supreme Court validating lying under interrogation to anybody.
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Let me flip that. There's a case from the forties called Federal Crop Insurance v Merrill. Have you ever heard of that case, Samuel? Federal Crop Insurance v Merrill? Okay. Anyway, what that case says is any even if they come and identify Roger.
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Oh
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god. Even if they come and identify themselves to you, it's still your duty to verify who they are. Now who said, hey, Roger right there? Was that Waeeb?
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Yeah. Yes. It was. Yes. It is, Roger. What about the the the new thing that the government can, that you they don't have to tell you about about the food. They can the food regulation, they think it it could be fake food, and it it could be legitimate. Something about that.
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Okay. Well, I don't know anything about that. But,
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they can lie to you that you can like the GMO that sounds like the GMO lab grown stuff, and they don't have to put anything on the label to identify what's going on as far as how much is GMO, how much is actually lab grown. And, I mean, this is just it's gotten insane. So it's up to us to be able to, you know, to protect ourselves. And my
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observations and Everything falls on you, especially after you go through this change in your national. And they still may be infringed on it, still falls back on you. Okay?
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Well, one of the questions I'm gonna be looking into soon, and I've been thinking about how to do it, is, like, all these f d all these pesticides that just to keep it on pesticides that are being sprayed on the food. If I'm a national, shouldn't I be able to or couldn't I be be able to go sue the FDA for harming me?
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You know, Dwayne, I don't know. I mean, I could. I I believe you got standing because you're an American even in a district court if you're bringing the moving party.
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But I these are things I just don't know. Honestly, we've never I I don't know either. That's what I've been doing. To me recently. So but, anyway, I that's all I got. Thank you, guys.
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And I would think also to do so at your state level versus federal because your state is who is responsible for protecting you. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. I agree.
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Yeah. Yes. Is that somebody else? Better have a lot of
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Like, can we please You better have a lot of slave tokens if you plan on suing them.
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Okay. Yep. Hey, Roger. Yeah. Well, there's Gary. Yes, sir Gary.
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Let's connect some dots here. In 09/2007 when the FDA Act was passed, it plainly states man or other animals, basically calling man animals. That's the first thing. Second thing, if you read the labor labor code, it justifies around article 40, I believe. It justifies any action the ruling government takes to subdue the possible the the public is legal. It's right in the code, and we all know we've been at war since the civil war in one form or the other. So, therefore, connect the dots. Everything they're doing is is legal. We may not like it. It may not be lawful,
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but it is legal legal. Yep. Well, that's their statement at the That's all I got. That's, their statement at the,
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time of weapons for I think the bottom line is Joel is is the kind of guy we we could bring on, and he but but he's skeptical. I can tell that in this last blog that he did, he's sort of pointing at that PMA. Well, it didn't really work either. Sort of what he's getting at because they tricked them, and they're lawless. So why should we think that any of this paperwork's gonna work? See, that's where he I think his thinking is at. So we gotta we gotta change that. You know? That's what I'm saying.
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Okay. Well, you know what I've learned over many years, Sam, you can't beat people up with this. You can put it in front of them. If they don't respond, you can go back and try and water the seed. But people the the people that are here on this show are here because they wanna be here. Whether they know what the information is accurate or not, they think there's something here worth, listening to, and they're here. This whole thing that we do has got to be an attraction deal. It ain't a submission deal. Now I've learned that painfully the hard way. K?
So, anyway, he he's been presented with the information, I believe, at a at a meal at his place up there with one of his meetings a year or two ago with Thor's husband, Ed, who's pretty authoritative. He's an anesthesiologist. Okay? And he said he presented him with it, if I remember correctly, and we've never had an inquiry. So I can understand people's skepticism. I've been dealing with that since we started. You know? Oh, it can't be that easy. Well, yeah, it is. It's easy if you understand the scam that's behind it. You can see why it's that easy and it works. But if you're not willing to sit down and listen to all that and absorb it, you'd really have that this can't work attitude. It's not the first time I've come across it. I can tell you that. So I don't know. The only thing I know is I put the message out and the people that are attracted to it come. And the people that aren't, I don't chase anymore.
And I'm not telling you not to drop him some emails. I'm just telling you what I've learned over decades doing this. I know it's frustrating. Well, man. But that's the way it is. You can't yeah. If you try and beat somebody up with this and force it on them, you're gonna you're gonna destroy a relationship if you've got one. And and you may never hear from those people again. Okay? And I've experienced that. So I'm just telling you the kind of what I've come to understand is the rules of the road here. Yes. Marca, good morning.
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Morning. The the paperwork corrects the presumption, and this is for Samuel for what he said, how is this paperwork gonna protect us. It corrects the presumption. It's up to us to learn the information and carry ourselves with that authority and empowerment of knowledge. We have to learn the information. That's what's gonna
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that's what protects us. It's us. If you've got a PMA the paperwork. If you got a PMA, people have got to join the PMA to buy stuff from you before it works. This guy didn't do that for whatever reason, Samuel. So it seems like the education wasn't put properly into place for the people that were, going on this path of a VMA. Just like this, you gotta be just like where we are. You you know? And I'm sorry it happened to the guy. I understand most of them are rats. I I I know all that, but it's still on to you because he didn't insist they do a paperwork thing before he sold or gave whatever he gave to him. That's what it seems like to me. K?
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Yes. I'd like to put in that, I was talking to a really well educated man that dealt in and still deals in gold, silver, and precious metals, and he knows how a cow eats a cabbage to a degree. And when I proposed this national, status stuff to him, he said, that's all good, good and well, but I don't wanna put a target on my back. Because he felt that, you know, sending the secretary of state and all these other guys, you know, your notice Right. Was just putting a target on his back, and he was afraid of it. I because he didn't understand the information. Thousand, it sounds like he got Randy Weyward.
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Because he didn't understand the situation the the information, and I can understand where people have that attitude. You know? It's just a piece of paper. That's what I hear people say, for years. Well, it works. It works. And there's millions of us. And the more of us that we can find and bring into the fold, the better chance we've got. But if you understand the background here, you understand why they've got the power. They tricked you into giving it to them. All you're doing is taking it away. And no matter what your friend thinks, how intelligent he is or anything else, it this works. And the reason it works is because they don't have all that power without you giving it to them.
It's just a big scam. It's all it is. K? And I understand why people are have that attitude. So okay. Well, whatever. I can't help you. This is what it is. There's never been in fifteen years, not one backlash from the federal government. Not one. I think at least there's two been I think I've been responsible for at least over 2,000,000 of these things being submitted to the federal government. Why do I say that? Why do I Because hello? Can I finish my what I'm saying, please? Because when John and Glenn were getting prosecuted There's an echo, Roger. Please. Can we please, people? God. Oh my god. Because when John and Glenn were getting prosecuted in Salt Lake City, it wasn't e I can tell you. I can promise you it wasn't a tax deal with what they were doing because if they're coming after you with a tax problem, they always, a l w a y s, bring in a tax specialist from the Department of Justice. They have their own little tax deal, and there's it's always gonna be a Jew, and and he just count on it. But they didn't have that. They had a US attorney that was handling the case because they were just trying to get these guys off the street. Okay?
And after they were out, and Glenn and I were able to talk more, and, he said the US attorney stood up in open court and said the IRS had received over 100,000 of those affidavits. The five page one that we started out with. The 1,200 people paid to file, and the IRS had received over a 100,000. Well, there's your patriot community right there. K? So if they had, in a short period of time, 12,000 blossomed into a 100,030 ago, I promise you directly or indirectly that I've been responsible for over 2,000,000. K? Just based on that premise of what Glenn told me.
So they're well aware of this up there. There's never been one blowback. They don't give me send your passport back and say we they give you a bluff letter occasionally, not often, to see if you know your stuff because you're Roger. You're treading on taking away all their power. They understand it. It's our people like this guy that have been cowered into the corner. Well, it doesn't matter. They're gonna do whatever they want. And that's just not true. Okay? Now they may think that. You may not be able to get that thought out of their head, but plant the seed and go find somebody else is what I'm telling you. Okay. Samuel and Mirka are both one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Go let Samuel go in because he's the one that started all this. Go ahead, Samuel.
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Yep. Roger, one thing we gotta remember is and this is a big problem they don't wanna lose. The communist and the socialist started on farming and the food supply first. Of course. And this is something that's key, and we should see it the same way and get them back where they belong, and that's to make their own decisions on how to supply us clean food. That's all they wanna do.
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Okay. I yield. America?
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Roger, the the thing is people put that affidavit in and think I mean, yes. It is protecting us because it's removing the presumption. But it's not
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unless you can defend it.
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It ain't doing shit like you can't do anything. Gonna say. That's what I was gonna say. It's up to us to learn the information, understand the words that we they are using, and what words we can use against them
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and to protect ourselves, to be a belligerent claimant. Okay. Do you see why I hammer on education, education, learn the information? Because the farmer there that had the PMA didn't learn the information, and he got tricked. They're right. I don't believe they can do that. What to you I don't believe they can do that. God almighty. Please. You don't I don't believe they can do that to us. Okay? But still, it's a very instructive example.
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Okay? Now You have to understand what words what
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we have to know the words that are being used. That's our sword. That's our power. What what did I tell you? You're only as free as your ability to defend your position. How many times have I told you that? Umpteen?
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Yep.
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Roger, actually, you know, Joel obviously needs an education in that. I don't think those people really got to him very well because he's using the sovereignty word in his last blog. Well, I have no I have I have nothing to do with that. I I don't know about Joel. I don't know how what was said. I don't know how he took what was said. Ed was relatively new. I don't know how well he explained what was said. I just know the information was presented to him in some way, shape, or form, Samuel. And it's not my duty to go chasing these people. It's my duty to find the people that are receptive to this and to grow this that way. I I just don't go chasing people anymore.
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All I'm saying, Roger, is it an opportunity, and if more of us were to get on his blog and pull him your way, he's gonna get here. It just has to have Okay. More people than just me. Alright. Well, according to Samuel, if you wanna participate in that, please do.
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K? Please do.
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I I think we can learn some things from this. First of all, Gary was absolutely correct. And under the Trading with the Enemy Act, they can engage in disinformation at any time. They don't have to tell their adversary what they're doing before they do it. So Ask the stewards. So when those guys walked in, walked onto that farm, and lied to them, and said, oh, come on. You can sell it to me. I won't tell anyone. That was engaging in disinformation for the purposes of conducting an investigation, and they screwed up. There there needed to be a zero tolerance policy for selling outside the PMA because he fell to the luck of law enforcement.
And the luck of law enforcement states, it might as well be a maxim of maxim of law. Anybody that operates outside the scope of the law has to be lucky 100% of the time. Law enforcement only needs to be lucky once, and that once is what screwed him. Okay.
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Okay. I'm not I don't I've got no problem with you guys flooding this guy with email. But I'm just telling you as an overall principle, very very rarely have I seen it work. You've gotta find people who are interested in this. Remember, it's easier to pull a rope than to push a rope. If you don't believe me, try. Roger, these are farmers.
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These are farmers. If you if you get one successful can't differentiate
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between who's gonna receive the information, Samuel. I can't differentiate that.
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Well, and and the point isn't whether they tricked them or not. The point is they need to be nationals, and then they don't have to worry about it nearly as much. K. Well, I can't make them do it. If somebody can get to them, great. We'll we'll just talking about making them do it. We're having some we gotta get him in contact with that. Talking about exactly how it is in our conversation. That's what we need. Get him to do it. It's exactly what you're talking about. And that's why I'm suggesting that we we email him and and have him understand our position.
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Okay. I got no problem with that. Dave, what do you because I don't think he does.
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When I read when if you read his last blog today I'm sorry, Roger. I'm losing my voice. But if you read his last blog, you know, it's it's a it's it's a bit of misunderstanding about because he's using sovereignty and so he's, you know, he's he's really not there. And he needs to be because I know his heart is. I know his mind is. I know farmers. These are perfect people to be doing this. Perfect.
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Well, you better check talk to Michael. He's around here all the time. He's a finer. He can't sleep at night thinking about the IRS. Out of his own mouth. Said they
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they've been they've been a project from from day one to, you know, be regulated to the point where the government controls the food supply. Yeah. That's what it's all about. Uh-huh.
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Well, I guess you also need some Samuel,
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a little advice from My 2¢ is we need to target these people more in the winter when it's their downtime, and they can put more time into the research and learning the info. Okay.
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So Maybe. But I think if we, more of us got on that blog and got them to Roger, then we'd be doing something, I think, that could really move the numbers here. That's all. To overlook the farmers, I think, is a mistake.
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But but there is one thing. Just being Wow. A national is not gonna save their bacon because if they're doing business with people that the government has a property right into, they're still stepping in a big load of dung. They need national status and the PMA, and don't ever let that PMA fall.
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Gotta be both. Yeah. What they actually did the way they tricked them is they talked to one of the persons telling them that they already filled out the paperwork for the product, convinced them of that by coming back several times, and got them to sell them something. That was the shtick. So
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Hi, Roger. Paul.
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Morning, Shane. Hi. There are not too many farmers in San Jose, are there?
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Then there may be a couple. More towards Gilroy and, Morgan Hill, but not right here in Saratoga. Okay.
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So how can we help you this morning, Shane? You got something to add to this discussion?
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I would like to ask the same from you. What would you like me to do? What needs to be, put into place, and therefore, what is the remedy?
[00:47:21] Unknown:
Well, Shane, if that well, according to Samuel, we maybe we barrage these people with messages. You may get a couple of them. You may. You may not. I don't know. The what I know is I deal with people that come to me. I don't go chasing people. I'm not saying you don't do that. It might be fruitful. It might bear some fruit. But my experience is I just don't chase people anymore. K? I deal with Roger. Todd and and Terry and and and Gigi and the new folks here that are chomping at the bit to learn about this. Those are the ones I I service.
Okay. Shane, hold on. Hold on. Thanks, Shane. Alright. You're welcome, Shane. Was that Robbie? Who was that?
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Yes, sir. I wanted to ask Samuel, does the lunatic farmer have a podcast that Roger could be on? I does anyone know?
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Probably not. I don't I don't know that. I alls I alls I've been communicating with, is his blog, which is on I think it's luna thelunaticfarmer.com. I I think that's that's a start, though. You could certainly I mean, not my forte is this technological world and how it works, and Joel's no young man either. But, you know, he talks to thousands and thousands and thousands of people. He testifies in front of congress. This is the kind of guy, if you get him on your side, he can move mountains.
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Ifs, big words. Bruce. Morning, Bruce. You got some contribution here? Howdy, howdy.
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I do. If he doesn't see this in his soul, plus his mind, he will be lost as he'll be lost though. Because when I did this, it took me twenty years to find your information and understand it right off the bat. And I'm I'm gonna tell you right now. I got coach Hills talking to you about this. It changed myself. I mean, my whole train of thinking, I knew it was a trip for the first time. Yep. And, Roger, I just to the bottom of my heart, you you got it. And if he can't get it there, he's gonna be lost. Well, if it And you can't control that. If it has not moved him when he's being presented with it, and we don't know
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the totality of that, If it doesn't move him to come seek answers, I I I don't know what to do with you except send him emails. If you want to, go ahead. But you gotta have somebody that wants to know this. You can't infuse it in them is my experience. All you can do is you run a relationship and you piss the other people off. I've experienced this. Roger? Yes.
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Hi. I've been I just kinda got on here a little while ago, but I kinda get the gist of what's going on. Samuel, we got this big farmer, John in, Georgia, you know, Indiana, wherever the heck he's at. Why don't you get him in touch with who you were talking about? And, you know, farmer to farmer, John's a John's a national. You know, he got the big rebate back from the John's a Good. You know? John's a very sharp cookie. He certainly is. I'd I'd that's your guy. That's who you want to talk to your Dave. Farmer guy.
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Dave, I don't really know technologically how to do all this stuff. So that's why I'm asking other people here like Julie and Paul, etcetera, to help get Joel to Roger.
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He's an idea guy. Have that talk. So we
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so we know whether whether or not he's getting the information. We don't know anything about what happened and what information he got.
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Samuel's an idea guy, you know, like Scotty, a visionary.
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Well, I don't have a computer, Paul. You can't I have a phone. You can't I'm an idea guy. It's okay. You can't make you can't make No. I I I know Joel Salton's the right kind of person for this message. I know it.
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Yeah. I see that. Convinced of it. You know what? I'd absolutely love to have Joel Salatin call in and just talk to Roger. Just just Yeah. That's all. Let Roger point out exactly how they screwed him
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and what he can do to stop. His website is no longer lunatic farmer. It is polyfacefarms. Polyface,p0ly,facefarms.com.
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Is the blog there too? Or it's because because when I looked up the blog that I just had, Lisa, again, that's not my expertise. I clicked on what that was, and it brought me back to the lunaticfarmer.com.
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So He has two Samuel, he has two websites. He has the lunaticfarmer.com, and I didn't realize that he I I should have known he had PolyBase Farms because of the email I gave out about [email protected].
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Okay. Like I said, you know, that all that stuff helps. And I I I do believe that Joel is certainly has the capacity to understand this and certainly could understand how we can help farmers, and that's his job. He wants to help farmers be free of regulation. I mean
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Okay. Well, how can I get in touch with the purse the farmer and is there's a farmer in Georgia who's already a national?
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Yes. You'll have to. I'm not gonna give out his email on the on the on the air. Julie, send me an email, and I'll hook you up with John.
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Okay. So, basically, I can call him and ask him to give, to give, Joel a call and and and hopefully maybe have his permission to give his email to Joel, and I can write Wendy and Joel at their emails and tell them that you really need to listen to this farmer. He's a national.
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Yeah. He's not just a little farmer either. He's got a huge farm he inherited, Julie. It's 10 miles by 10 miles.
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Ultimately, we need we need we need Salatin to talk to sales.
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The SS. Well, you can't make him call in. I'm not gonna go chase him. I do not chase people. I'm not asking you to chase the rocket. That. I'm just remaking the statement.
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You guys interesting fact for people guys wanna buy a bar Can I chime in here?
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Damn.
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A very interesting based on John, I believe it is, the other farmer that's a national and his big farm. He farms corn organically because, evidently, you cannot make whiskey out of GMO corn. Correct. And that right there should be proof across the board that debt is not the same, and it should not be recognized as the same and safe.
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Some of y'all send me an email. If you're so moved to, please do. Please do. K? Roger. Yes. Marco.
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I'm connected to John, mentioning to him. He is a very private person. He doesn't like his information given out. So I'll ask him if he will reach out to him, and, I'll connect with Samuel to get the other data.
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Okay. That'd be good. K? So Okay. You can you can continue. If my suspicion is with the person that generally responds to our information, if he was presented with it a year and a half ago, whenever that was that Ed did that, I would have thought he would have responded by now, which he hasn't. So that doesn't paint a very positive picture, but do it anyway. Okay? So now we spend an hour, almost an hour on this. Okay? Yes. Who was saying something right there?
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Roger, it's it's David, David and Kaye.
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Hey, Dave.
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You want some good news?
[00:56:08] Unknown:
Well, I probably yeah. Always could use a little good news.
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It it has to do with exposure to your message and getting the word out. So last night well, yesterday, the day before yesterday, Payne developed an, info video regarding the national status about close to three minutes long. And I shared it with Dan Vandersteel. And we woke up this morning and our the website was off the chain with visitors, and I'm like, oh, what's going on? And went to her Telegram channel, which is 35,000 subscribers, and she posted it there with a comment and supporting the national status, and your message.
So I I know you're talking about getting the word out and exposure. Hopefully, that little bit will help,
[00:57:08] Unknown:
right now. Oh, well, I hope so, Dave. Every little bit helps. Many hands make for light work. I still have not heard back from Anne from my overtures. I don't use contact her through Telegram. I contact her through WhatsApp. I don't know what happened last weekend in DC. I don't know what her schedule is. I'm sure she's a really busy gal and in demand, and there's just no telling what's underneath the surface. I have not personally heard back from her, on an interview or anything else. So I'm glad to know that she's doing that, and and congratulations on whoever we touched. You know?
I just never know. I I I get on here. There's, you know, for many years, there's few people in the audience to join us live, get a few emails. Otherwise and then I'm flying blind.
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Roger?
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Yes. Julie. Thank you, Dave. Yes, Julie. Yeah.
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Yeah. Hey, Dave. If you're listening, I sent you a private DM on FCC so you can check it, please. There's a very interesting, interview between Tucker Carlson and, Catherine Austin Sitz for those people who are interesting interested in watching it. Is that new? Then I'm Is that new, or was that a while back? Well, I don't def I don't go to Tucker Carlson's website. I get most of all my stuff I watch off of Before It's News because they rank the videos by the most watched videos. Uh-huh. So I go to beforenews.com and so it could have been, a week ago or something like that. Well, he did one with her He did one
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with her, I think, a couple of several months ago that wasn't anything relatively new. But this may be a new one. The best place I've found to check Tucker is, Tucker Carlson, one of his channels on Rumble. If you try and go to Bitshoot, they got all kinds of other crap in there. I never can hardly find what I'm looking for. Rumble's got a dedicated channel. It appears what Tucker has done is when he started out, it was a, what, five or ten dollars a month thing. And I think he's take gone away from that, and he started doing these little advertisements in there to fund their operation. And that makes the videos available to everybody. So, yeah, I'll check over there at some point and see if she's he's got a new one. Catherine Austin Fitz.
It's another person I'd love to get the information to, but, you know, people have tried, and she hadn't been receptive to my knowledge. So we just keep rolling on.
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And then you'll be proud of me. I have an appointment with the passport office in Washington, DC Do you? On Monday at 09:30 to get my national passport in person.
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Well, good. Did I ever tell you the the passport story about, the black guy there in Maryland? I'll think of his name in a minute. Well, he was a mortgage broker. K? And so what happened was we got into a nest of of black guys and probably some gals in the Winston Salem area that were all onto the tax thing. And so he knew some of them, and they got my information and they to Eric Cade, I think was his name. And they, got it over there to Eric, and he's going, well, I live in Maryland. I'll just take the train in. They got his passport office right there at the train stop, I guess. That may be what you're gonna do. Okay?
And, so, anyway, he, goes in there real proud, not really understand the information. He did it for the next day, okay, which I don't really usually approve of. But be that as it may, he goes in. There's a black gal there across the desk and or somebody, and he had taken in the oath, and he had circled noncitizen national. Now Todd knew we hadn't even been able to get to to the American Samoa thing with Todd and his bunch yet. K? It's another blocking maneuver. And, of course, you're not supposed to deface federal forms. And so whoever he was dealing with said, I can't accept this. You've defaced the government form. So he comes back thinking they rejected his application.
K? That's why I don't I I suggest people don't just rush into this. Alright? So, anyway, I told him on the air, will you deface the government for him? Oh, okay. So he goes back the next day, and he gets another gal there, probably black gal. And, he's and he's telling her the story, and she says, give me that. And she circles it. So give me that. She circles it and then processes it. So you never know, do you? Oh, wow. Yeah. And he had had radio experience. I was trying to get him on as an announcer on our when we tried to set up a network, and, he never wanted to follow through. He's a really good guy.
Hey. Here's the other story he told me. He said, you know, I got turned on to this. I said, no. He said, I had a friend who was in a closing she used to work as secretary in a closing attorney's office. And he said, I was in there talking to her at the end of the day, and she's taken all the day's promissory notes and flipping them over and stamping them. And I said, well, what are you doing? And and I grabbed one and they're stamping them for deposit only Federal Reserve Bank. He said, that's how I got turned on to this. So, anyway, Julie, be careful.
Trump's talking about maybe federalizing the whole damn DC area because the crime and stuff that's going on out there accentuated by what somebody took one a government official or something that had an Uber and almost beat him to death in the last couple of days. Yeah. I'm on, I'm on,
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nextdoor,uh,.com on, in several different districts up in DC, and I I hear every day about all the crime going on about people, stealing purses, stabbing people, breaking, car door windows, and all stuff like that. You can't even leave your cigarette charger in. They'll they'll they'll steal that. You put everything off your seats and everything under the seats so that nothing is visible. Right. Roger, I wanna tell you about what Van what what I'm switching subjects on you. What Anne Vandersteel posted at 05:23AM is, many of you know in 2021, I corrected my status from that of a US citizen debt slave to a national. I am thrilled with my choice to exit the system and walk to freedom.
Finally, and she put FINALLY in all caps, there is a website that is simple to navigate and makes it easy to teach you how to correct your status. And she has Dave and Kaye's site on here, https, and she's got nationalstatus.info. So a bunch of people commented with thumbs up and hearts and all of that, and then one person comment commented, is this the continuance of David Strait's website, American national dot app? So somebody needs to say no needs to comment on here no, so I'm gonna post no on here. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Can you correct that? Yes. Somebody can correct that and say no. It's a totally different, site. Okay. Well, that's common. Posted at five 05:23AM.
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I'll get you a second, Tom. We're making incremental progress, obviously. I don't know. Well, like I said, don't know what's got Anne gripped her or whatever. Hopefully, we'll hear from her. I will. And we'll be able to proceed on educating her. Because I told her at the end of our conversation, I said, you're such a I didn't tell her that. You're such a great prospect that I said I'll if you really want to, I'll personally educate you on everything I know about this, and I can teach you. Okay?
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So Right. And I'm I'm gonna post in the FCC I'm gonna post in the FCC FCC channel for anybody who's interested in her, her her Telegram channel. I'm gonna post a link to that right now so people can go there and join if they'd like to. Okay. Great. Tom, you were trying to say something?
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Yeah. The, the violence that you that I think she was referring to was was the the one of the guys from the Doge committee, big, bald guy. He got he tried to help some woman that was being carjacked or something, and they beat the crap out of him and put him in the hospital. And that's what Trump was all mad about. So Right. Don't blame him. But they said that over 59% of the carjackings are done by kids under 18. 60 some percent are under or 15 and 16 year olds. Yeah. As and some as young as 12 year old. Right.
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Right. So You heard that. Yeah. And they get those you go to DC. They get the criminals. Well, the older So they wanna drop the
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they they they wanna drop the,
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where you can arrest them and, you know, do stuff to them at the age of 14 since that's what they're finding or doing it. They're getting people that put them up to it because they're underage, and they know they can't charge them is what's going on. Go ahead, Murr.
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Well, I think it's like a lack of family stuff and that they hang out in packs and, found they can get away with this stuff at night. But, the Catherine Austin fits thing with Tucker was from April.
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Okay. That's what I thought. That's what I thought was a few months ago. You.
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And and Joel great society.
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And Joel Salatin, he's really got an interesting story. He was born in Venezuela, and all the trouble there, his parents moved to this country, when he was two. And then when he was, I guess, it was four, they bought this farm. This has been polyface farm for a long time. You know, the other offshoots, there's one, he added some stockman's grazing something or whatever too. And you can find videos of him giving and speaking things there. And they have a schedule where he speaks and when and his son Daniel and he and his family live in, at the farm too.
I think three children. And, so Soliton's wife's name is Teresa and, Daniel's wife's name is Sherry. So Wendy might be one of the offspring or an employee. Hard to say.
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Roger?
[01:07:56] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am.
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I'm sorry. I'm going back to the safety part of things going on in DC. The good thing is that the where I'm going is on Nineteenth Street North Northwest, and it's right across the street from my alma mater, George Washington University, and it's only seven miles from my house. So I think I'll be safe in the morning.
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Yeah. Daytime, it looks pretty cool. That penguin six guy that you said you know, Andrew, Lehman, I guess his name is. You know, he's a photographer. And so once in a while, he'll show a photo, like, saying daily mail or something that bought a photo from him. And so there's his name. It's, Daniel, I mean, Andrew, l e h m a n, I guess. Lehman Lehman.
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Yeah.
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I've seen him, in DC when he's been on his, his, what do you wanna call it, segue?
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Yeah. He's he, uses the rent of, you know, electric bikes and the scooters, the bikes mostly. But he's got, like, a 20 pound backpack with all his camera gear that tries to tip him over, and it I I guess it did in the last one, What you did film, he wasn't hurt, but the bike tips over, you know, where it's so heavy. But, yeah, he gets all around town. That thing you stand on? All the different things.
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And that thing you stand on that they zip around on?
[01:09:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Scooters. Yeah. They rent them too. They're not it's not a scooter. It's something else at Segway or something you said a minute ago. Oh, yes. Well, they don't have those, but, yeah, they do have at least they haven't shown any of them. But to rent, they have the,
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you know, the electric bicycles or the scooters. Well, I was saying that segway to be be now. Oh, do they? Oh, okay. I was saying that shown any of them. They have those. Yeah. The cops up in Quito used those. First time I'd seen them applied, I remember the big hype that went on with the release of that. It was gonna change the world. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, remember what happened? W got dumped off at once. So then suddenly it was you know, when he was president. So then suddenly it was like, oh, no. They're a bad thing. Oh, okay. No. I didn't know that.
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But, anyway, so, okay. Anybody else that that got anything on the DC problem, they're gonna federal I swear Trump's gonna federalize that and clean all that crap up. You watch. Or the Salatin or the farms or anything else we've discussed for the last hour and ten minutes.
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Nobody. Get to Todd.
[01:10:31] Unknown:
Wow. To wipe the sweat off my brow there. Okay. So if you wanna contact the farmers, gave out plenty of that information. You can go on that. I I encourage you to do it. Drop them an email. Hey. Hey, Roger. Hey, Roger. Why do you constantly interrupt me? You don't say, hey, Roger. You just barge in. What do you want? What do you got?
[01:11:00] Unknown:
You you have some some people say that this violent habeas corpus habeas corpus and, the cosmic traumatized a lot of the things that how do you, dispute that or debunk that idea that it could be a violation of that?
[01:11:20] Unknown:
Wahib, you are you're a piece of work, buddy. You come on here. You interrupt. You change the subject entirely often to like I said, are we having sex on Mars or something? I I'm I'm you you frustrate me, man. Well well, you can't even put your question out intelligently. What about posse comitatus?
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That and and and that would be violating it, sending in military, troops. But you did ask. You said, did anybody have any other questions?
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Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. They sent troops into Los Angeles recently down there where you work,
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didn't they? And now they're sending troops to the DC. Didn't they? That's right.
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To to in an emergency to overcome the law, overcome lawlessness. He's got the ability to do that. You're still probably gonna send in the federal the National Guard too. Okay? Oh my. What? The new people, Todd, Terry, Gigi. Do y'all have any questions? I went over thirty minutes yesterday on all the self help remedies and stuff. And,
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Hey, Roger.
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Yes. Good morning.
[01:12:52] Unknown:
It's Gigi. I'm just saying hello. Okay.
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Okay. Good. Well, thank you. Are are you learning some stuff, Gigi?
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I am. I'm just listening in.
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Okay.
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Alright. I just came in, so I'm just listening Oh, yeah. That's good. For a while. That's good.
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So, you know, Waheeb, I'm not the great Karnak. Okay? And when I ask questions, I'm for questions, I mean, on things we're talking about or things that relate to us. I don't I don't know the posse comitatus stuff. I'm sorry, ma'am. I just, you're a piece of work. Okay? Does anybody have any questions on what we normally talk about around here?
[01:13:49] Unknown:
Hi, Roger. This is
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Yes. Please. Please, the Vimeo.
[01:13:56] Unknown:
Hi, Roger. This is Terry. Hello, Terry. Hi. I appreciated the self help conversation yesterday. Are there more of those?
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Yeah. There's all kinds of these little areas of law that, that are important. It's important that you know what those self help remedies are and how they work. And here's the other important thing, that when they foist these on someone, like, the way they really put the UCC into operation was in the sixties, and they, said that the uniform commercial code was collect was the actions to be used for tax collection. That was in the sixties. So when people aren't familiar with that, and all of a sudden when they're confronted with people coming and grabbing their stuff, and they don't understand that there's procedure and everything else that we went over yesterday behind it, well, then they impute automatically power to the federal government, don't they?
Well, god, they got the power to come do all this and all that when actuality, it's a, it's a procedural thing that's very, explainable and understandable, and that they don't just have the power to come out as big tyrants and start grabbing people's stuff, which is what I'm sure the most people think about that when that happens to someone they know or them. So that's the important thing is to frame this, and these guys don't have that kind of power. We gave it to them. Take it away. You could take it away. They can't say a thing about it. Everything's gotta be voluntary. Like the somebody saying the the, you know, smart guy that they were talking to. Well, yeah, mister smart guy, doesn't everything have to be voluntary? If it's not voluntary, it's tyranny, isn't it?
I don't know of any other op yeah. I don't know of any other options. So then what they're doing is tyranny, and they'll never be open tyrants. There's gotta be a gimmick to it. And that that you know, you got to get in and get these basics, just like that. What whatever set of laws you wanna live under, that's your choice, not theirs. If they're telling you you gotta live under a set of laws, that's tyranny. So it's either gotta be voluntary or it's tyranny. And those when you run across a guy like that, that's where you come back to that discussion.
Because these are basics that they've never been exposed to, and they've been very heavily Pavlovian conditioned as to the fact that these Duke guys do have all this power. And the only way they got this power is through this trick. It's just a trick. Just like the gal said from Knesset, he's a trick. We all use it. And they do. That's all they do. They create illusions out of word tricks and magic tricks and everything else. You ever realize that most of the famous musicians were Jews? Houdini, Copperfield, all those guys?
This is I had a friend, in Oh, that's interesting. Oh, yes. Isn't it, though? I had a good friend in Atlanta back when I was in the music business. He was the rock and roll photographer for any stuff that went through Atlanta by any of the labels. They'd always use Rick Diamond. And he's a nice guy. He's one of our skiing group. And, one time, I asked him, that he's from Miami. I said, Rick, what's your father do? Said he patents magic tricks. See, they're oriented towards this.
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Everything's magic. This being deception.
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This being deception. Of course. Of course. May I? Well, then I wanna make sure well, there's lady Linda. You can, but just hold on. Let's make sure we get miss Terry satisfied here. So did we did you have any other, comments, Terry, on that?
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Well, I guess I would just say that becoming a national and then continuing to educate myself on, the self help remedies. And
[01:18:13] Unknown:
what else would you say? Where would I Well, I'm gonna get one of these days when we get a break here, I'm gonna probably go into the whole administrative state, lecture, which is quite interesting and quite eliminating for you. It doesn't really apply to you as much anymore once you go through this process, but you damn sure need to understand it. Most people have no idea. I I told you I had a call by an attorney before I left the states. I was still in Florida, and, he had a client who had a tax problem and somehow got my name, and I don't know how he got the phone number. But, anyway, he called me and went over that whole administrative state thing. And at the end of it, he said, Roger, you know more about this than 95% of the attorneys in the country. So it's very valuable information to know things that they don't know.
K? So we'll do that one of these days, and, yeah, there's probably a bunch of other stuff like that we can go over. We'll go over the tax system. I I know the other day, we were talking about remedies and that it's on the website somewhere where you've got all the bodies of law. It lists who the, overseeing officer is, a judge, a chancellor, whatever, and they're all different. And what the actions are and what the remedies are. Well, the only place that self help remedies are available are in the law merchant, the UCC, and they were used on the manners during the feudal system, self help remedies.
The reasons the feudal system adopted the merchant code, law merchant at that time is what it was called, was because that was what was used in all the trade fairs that would circulate around Europe. And so because that was so commonly used, all the people that owned manors, the lord of the manor, incorporated the merchant law onto the manor system. So the only other place that self help remedies have ever been used is in the law merchant and in the menorah law. No other body of law uses self help remedies. Kinda important.
K? So, would they would look carried that get you? There's there's others. I maybe not can think of them right off the bat, but we'll we'll wheel into them when when we don't have a brisk conversation like we did in the first hour. And when when is the time's right, I'll do it, I guess. Now I want you to meet this charming lady here, lady Linda Louise, who we haven't seen in a while Thanks. Because it's summer, and I think she's out at the beach clamming or something, aren't you?
[01:21:02] Unknown:
Well, Terry, I don't know if you're from Massachusetts, but Todd is. And, from my accent, you can tell. I have a brownstone in Boston, Massachusetts. So it's not unusual for me to frequent, the Boston area. So if he's from the Boston area, I'd love to get to know him more personally. But that's not why I, called you today, Roger. I was very fascinated by Tucker Carlson's interview with Richard Werner. Do you know who Richard Werner is? I do not. Not right offhand. Okay. Let me tell let me tell the listeners. It's a must see. I've listened to it twice. It's two hours forty two minutes and seventeen seconds long.
And what it was all about is Richard Werner received a visit from the CIA after publishing his book in 2001
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called Princes and Yen, y e n. He Oh, he's the economist guy. He's the economist guy. Right? Okay. From Japan. He speaks Yeah. Gotcha. Japanese fluently
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in which he spilled the beans on what is the most powerful mechanism for both economic growth and prosperity, and also for exploiting that boom and bust economic cycles. And they are quote unquote arranged. His book was a bestseller in Japan, even outselling Harry Potter. The publishers in The USA gave rave reviews of the book, but someone told them not to de publish his book in English. He also exposed how to measure what they are doing in real time to predict what is going to happen. If you haven't figured it out yet by now, the CIA doesn't work for the people, but they work to protect the global elite cartels and ensure their financial narrative continues to provide the optimal illusion to keep the masses in the dark. In other words, the banking cartel completely control the economy, and it is not a natural economy, but a synthetic controlled economy.
Economic crashes and busts are also manipulated by the central bankers. Growth and posterity cycles are manipulated by the central bankers. They control the input and the output variables. Richard exposed this as well as sharing his findings on how the banking system was created by fraud and is still run on these fraudulent foundational variables that he explains how we can avoid all crashes by productive loaning practices. In short, the central banks know this, but they keep this a buried secret so they can continue controlling the markets to fit their narrative, their agenda, and implement implement their new world order plans.
If Trump really was in the quote, unquote white hat, I don't know what that means, and really was doing good for Americans, he would abolish the evil Federal Reserve instead of putting up the charade about federal chairman Jerome Powell not lowering interest rates. They're talking about it. Doing is making sure all Trump is doing is making sure his billionaire buddies, this is their opinion, in the quote, unquote club, gain much more wealth, power, and control over the people and ensuing the NWO agenda is on the schedule.
Three theories of banking. Two are based on that the bank is a financial intermediary and one is not. The deposits analysts and risk assessments and loans and investments of deposits. This is the one they teach in the textbooks. Two, the theory of fractional reserve banking as banks interact with each other, there is money creation from the deposits. And three, the credit creation theory of banking. Banks are not financial intermediary. Banks are special and have a unique power that no other player in the economy has and the power to create currency.
This was the theory about one hundred years ago, and the theory this theory was called conspiracy theory. So, he goes into sharing questions with his students, and they are: Who do you think creates the majority of the money supply in the economy? A, governments B, central banks C, financial markets or D, the local banks? 84% answered the government of the central bank. That is what makes sense, but it is not true. The answer, you have to read his blog, but he did go into North Dakota, who has their own state bank, and that state bank protects every single individual within or people, or man or woman within North Dakota, and no other state has that kind of banking system.
So when the when the bottom falls out, it's going to be, every state other than North Dakota. And he also said that we've been having digital currency for decades, but the C in the digital count, currency is central. Central digital currency. And once we do the central, we're going to all be in a horrible, vulnerable position. I highly recommend that people go to Rumble. I was the number six thumbs up on this, waking the world up. It was done two days ago, and I had and only nine forty three people have viewed it on this particular platform. Maybe on the YouTube, he has many more people because, Tucker has about 1,100,000,
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subscribers to his site. So that's all I have to say, and I yield. Okay. And I'll go back to Terry and say, other subjects. Terry, do you know how the money supply works?
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Wait. Can you repeat that site again, please? I'm sorry. Rumble. And what's the name of the video, please? Sorry.
[01:26:59] Unknown:
I would just go to sorry, Linda. I would go to tuckercarlson.com myself. He always has his latest videos up there, and there's no risk of those videos being taken down from his site directly. It's not dependent on anybody else permitting content.
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What what was the name of the video?
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I'm I'll tell you. It's central banking explained by world renowned economist Richard Werner, w e r n e a. And the title is money out of thin air. I would have titled it currency out of thin air because we all know money is gold and silver or Bitcoin. So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. On Von Tucker's?
[01:27:45] Unknown:
It just is Richard Warner. Sorry, Roger.
[01:27:49] Unknown:
Oh, Richard Warner, not Rich. Okay. So just go to tuckercarlson.com and look up the video with Richard Warner. Correct?
[01:27:56] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. I will post the, rumble version in both chats, and I'll send it to you, Roger. Thank you. Thank you, Brad. And you know what's interesting is I kept like, where's he gonna mention the Jews? Well, apparently, he caught some heat for just mentioning the two Warburg brothers. That's right. What a name. Right? Warburg on either side, which Right. Right there's a whole game. Amen. Jewish brothers funding each side.
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Get it? He he mentioned it earlier. Me, or
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if I may, what allowed him to publish the book was he had to take the chapter out about the Zionist being in charge of, the banking system. So once that chapter was taken out, his book was able to be, published. But now he has it published with the chapter put back in because he got a a publishing company that will do that. He said if you buy his book by that publishing company, you'll get it for a very reasonable price. If you buy it from Amazon, they're gonna soak you. I yield. Roger.
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K. Yes, Larry. I'm just gonna leave and turn the show over.
[01:29:13] Unknown:
So your new so your new students won't get confused. Money is not created out of thin air, only the interest. Maybe you might wanna briefly go over that. I was trying to get back to Terry here,
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and say this is another one of those areas that that I I really love to teach people about because virtually nobody except this guy understands it and the bad guys. And that is Terry, what do you know about the monetary system? What if I told you that every loan in America and I've found in the world through these systems is a fraud? Would you believe that?
[01:29:51] Unknown:
I would absolutely believe that. Okay. Well, it's true. Signatures create the money.
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Correct. They create the credit. There is no money. There is no money. There is no money. There's only credit. And that's what the importance of what we do around here is as as surfs, they control our labor and they take that warehouse receipt. We refer to it as a birth certificate that represents your servitude, and they attach it to the bond market when they sell bonds. Isn't bond the root word of bondage? Mhmm. Doesn't that answer your question? The bond market's five to 10 times bigger than the stock market? Stock market's got big buildings, trains, manufacturing, trucks, all that stuff, stores.
What represents the bond market? It's five to 10 times bigger. Well, it's a debt market. That's us. That's our future labor in there. K? That is the basis of the entire financial system. And let's see. Where are we? We got thirty thirty minutes, twenty five minutes left. You wanna get into this, Terry? Mhmm. You wanna get into this? Love that. Alright. Well, here's what I've been able to figure out over the years. First of all, you hear all of our educated people say they make money out of thin air. Do you know any bankers that lend trillions of dollars without collateral and compound interest? Probably not.
Well, then that's not out of thin air. There's collateral. Okay. But what Larry was talking about, I'll get to. This is what I've been able to figure out. What happens is we have these things called federal open market committee meetings. We just had one last week, I think, where they didn't raise the, overnight rate, which is usually what they mess with. They all get together every six weeks, and supposedly, all the different Federal Reserve districts are there. And they take a a lot of, care and statistics over their area, whatever that bank controls. And they bring all that, and let's just say they go, well, we've got a lack of currency in the system. We need a hypothetically here, we need a billion dollars worth of, worth of Federal Reserve notes.
And so what they do is they decide on that, and then they go over to the treasury, and the treasury will call and have the notes printed. Now it doesn't matter what denomination they're in as long as they equal up to a billion dollars. At that point, they're not what we would call money or currency. They're just pieces of paper with dead presidents on them. K? They stick them on a warehouse. They're not what they call monetized. But anyway so then to back them up, you know, where it says on there the full faith and credit of The United States, where it says that on a promissory note there, the Federal Reserve note?
Well, what what is that? Well, that means that the full faith and credit if you got a bad bill and we go into hyperinflation, can you take it anywhere and get anything done with it? No. You can't. K? But the full faith and credit of The United States is not in the promissory note. It's in the bonds. Because when they print up a billion dollars worth of promissory notes, they also and this company is owned by the Federal Reserve, I believe, I've read, that prints the bonds. And they go over and they print a billion dollars worth of bonds, and the bonds back the notes.
So that's the full faith and credit of The United States is that you're gonna pay your taxes, and that bond holder is gonna get his coupon payment. So you got two separate entities here. You got currency and you got bonds.
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So they take and May I have got your
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Yes.
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One of the things that really I see people's eyes pop when you tell them when and when when the treasury prints that paper, if it's $1 bills, $10 bills, or $100 bills, The Federal Reserve actually pays the printers for the printing of that Like 2¢. Which averages about 7¢. Oh, it's 2. I was thinking it was 7¢ per sheet. No matter what the face value is. Yeah. It doesn't matter. So 7¢ is cheap, whether they're $1 bills or $100 bills. Right. But then our government is on the hook for the face value of it.
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Well, the the okay. Let's just hold on a second. They do. They have to pay two point last I read years ago, two point something cents per bill for the cost of the paper. It's not paper. It's cotton. It's a special cotton blend and, the ink to print it. So let's just go over the general here. I'm not getting the specifics just yet. It's hard enough to grasp the general part for some people. So now we've got a billion dollars worth of notes, and we got a billion dollars worth of bonds. So they take and bring up the billion dollars worth of notes, and they loan that out to their favorite banks. That's called the overnight rate.
It's the banks the favorite banks of the Federal Reserve, all their synagogue buddies, and they loan out a very low interest, let's just say for hypothetical, 2.5%. So they loan out all that billion dollars to the banks, and then the banks take that and they loan it out to you at 5%. So it's a traditional wholesale retail type markup. K? Now they take the bonds, and they have contracts with what they call primary bond dealers. With the the people I had it on my tongue a minute ago. Can or Fitzgerald. If you remember that from 09/11, Cantor Fitzgerald had two of the top floors on one of the World Trade Centers. They were a primary bond dealer.
So they signed an agreement with the Federal Reserve that they'll sell, take, and to take these bonds. They, under contract, have to take so many a percentage, however they do it, designate it. And they've gotta sell them. If they don't, they eat them. But they take them off the Federal Reserve's hands and sell them to the the debt market all over the world. This is where we went into the villain yesterday, villain, attached to the land and transferable by deed. That's what they're doing. They're transferring you by deed of your birth certificate being attached to these bonds. And every time somebody, holds a bond and sells it because the debt market is very fluid and they exchange those things, where you get exchanged.
Transferable by deed. You're transferred again. So the the that's where the bonds go, and they circulate out there. And that's the big problem they got right now is the bond market. K? Starting by Japan getting into after decades of 0% loans, they've got so much inflation, they're having to raise their interest rates. They've raised it to 4%. What that has done is it's totally screwed up the world economy. Because for decades, the world economy has been run on what's called the carry trade. Not Terry, carry trade. And what they do is they go over and borrow, well, let's just say, a billion dollars from Japan, no interest.
And then they'd come back and invest it in US bonds or other bonds bearing three to 5%. Well, how would you like to get three to 5% free on a billion dollars every month? Right? You you can live pretty good that way. And that's the way the whole run. That's the basis of the whole world system because the bonds is the is the world system. That's the basis of the whole world system until Japan had to start raising their rates, and it's unraveling this carry trade. And so for a lot fifteen years or more, countries have been wanting to get rid of bonds. They used to have to hold bonds and currency at the central bank because Saudi Arabia and the Arab countries would only accept dollars for their oil.
That was what Kissinger put in back decades ago when I was just trying to get into the record business. And they were had 50 tankers offshore, but there was no gasoline. K? So they switched over to the Saudis. And they said, look. If you'll just take our currency for your oil, then you we'll take all that and invest in Wall Street for you. And that's been the deal. Well, that's unraveling too. Now they're starting to take the yuan and some of the BRICS currencies over there because everybody's wanting to sell their dollars because they see the scheme. They see us invading all these countries for these damn Jew bastards. They see all this stuff. They know who's behind it. They may not wanna say it, but they know. And so over the fifteen, twenty years, they've been selling their bonds in the open market. Well, if a whole bunch of countries go, Terry, and they go to sell their bonds and there's no buyers, then we got a big problem, don't we?
It's not a liquid market. Yes. We do. And that's what's been happening for fifteen plus years. And so who buys them? The treasury buys them all. Say that they're reserved, but I'm sure they don't want they they like that. We don't want this. You know? They they wanna have the treasury, so we owe our own taxes to our own debt. It's basically the way they've got this set up. So I have read that for this couple years ago, 48% of the bonds in the world are owned by the Treasury, Federal Reserve. That's because all these people are dumping them. There's no buyers, and so they gotta buy them as a buyer of last resort. What they've been doing in the interim is they'll go to all these little countries they control, like in The Caribbean and whatnot, and they'll go give them a half a billion dollars. They show up at the bond auction and buy bonds because nobody wants them.
K? So that that's been going on for a while. So these bonds back that currency. That's the full faith and credit of The United States is that that bondholder is gonna get his coupon payment. So what we do when we go through this is we pull ourselves out of the tax system. Now they gotta eat their own bonds because we're not paying the coupon payment anymore. Julie, please please let me finish, please. Yeah. I get in these. I get distracted. I lose my train of thought and where I'm going. K? So that's that whole bond side of it. It's critically important. Most people have no idea. K? The currency side of it the currency side of it is this.
That currency is not monetized until someone takes out a loan. K? In other words, it's just pieces of green paper with dead presents on them. You take out a loan, and now it activates that because it attaches interest to it and collateral. So basically, if you're going in to buy a house or a car or whatever, you sign a financing statement, what they're doing is taking the value of what you've purchased, and they're monetizing that value. Even though in the loan papers, it says you're gonna pay for this over however many months, and if you do the arithmetic, it's three times what what you paid for the item that's being collateralized.
K? So they take, let's say, the value of your car is $40,000 and they loan $40,000 into circulation. Now it compiles with compound interest. So what Larry was referring to is they don't make money out of thin air there. It's collateralized by whatever you purchased. But once that currency is monetized and it's circulating, it's now gaining interest. Whatever the interest is, it's a prevailing interest rate out there. And that's where they make money out of thin air. And here's the problem. That continues to compound and there's because all this loaned into circulation is representative cost to your collateral, there's never as the guy said, if all the loans were paid off, there wouldn't be any currency to circulate.
Because there's still debt owed from compounding interest and there's no more currency in circulation. See what's going on here? I'm I hope I'm explaining that good. K? So that's where they make money out of thin air. Now, what else is I gonna say? Now here's the way this loan situation works. When I said every loan's a fraud. Now the way I learned this see what our time is. I learned this from a certified public accountant out of Chicago named Tom Schoff. Years ago, when you couldn't get this information anywhere but WWCR, the shortwave radio station out in Nashville, And, we listened a little late into the night because it's the only place you could get this information, you know. And, pastor Peters used to be on there. Tom Valentine had two or three hours for Liberty Lobby. We had, Bill Cooper after that. And then they started a real late night show that didn't start till, like, 01:00 and went till four.
And I'd live stay up and listen to that show even though I might have to work the next morning. And that's where I heard Tom Schoff. I don't remember the guy's name that did that program, Water Oz or something. He would he would he he I think he's still in federal prison. They threw him in federal prison for something. Anyway, I heard this, Tom Schoff guy. Tom Schoff was a certified public accountant who had somehow finagled the way to become a forensic accountant testimony specialist for court cases where they get paid the big money for being an expert. And as he got into that, he found out and realized there was no place in the country where CPAs could be accredited to go do expert testimony and learn the big bucks.
And so he started one, you know, perfect formula for a business, find it, avoid and fill it. And that's what he did. And so he had all these CPAs coming to him to get certified so they could hit the big money in expert testimony. Well, one of the students was a, federal regulator, regional regulator, who go around and check out banks, make sure they're adhering to regulations. So he pulls Tom Schoff, the CPA that is the expert witness, and the regulator who's trying to become that pulls the master aside and said, what I told you, every loan in America is a fraud. And Tom Schoff, the expert witness says, what the hell are you talking about?
And he says, let me show you what they're doing. So here's the big secret, and this is the secret that they didn't want this economist, Werner, talking about. It was the third or fourth option on banks creating credit. Okay? And this is where how they do this. That was the big contention, Linda, out of everything he had was that third or fourth option of this, what I'm about to explain to the audience right now. So you go in, you find a car, you go, okay, well Terry, you like that? Yep. Sure wanna. Gotta have it. And they go, well, you wanna pay for that in cash or do you wanna finance that? Well, Terry doesn't have 40,000 in cash in a little brown bag. So she goes, well, I'd guess I'd better finance it. So a financing is a promissory note.
So you go in, you hammer out a price deal, you get together, they put the paper in front of you. It's called in commercial paper in the UCC, this is more merchant law stuff. It's called a promissory note, a promise to pay. Anytime the word note is used in any legal context, any legal context, its definition is always a promissory note, a promise to pay debt. So you go in and you sign that. I, Terry, agree to pay 48 payments of so much principal and so much interest, etcetera, etcetera, and you sign it. The minute you sign it, just as you said, your signature created that currency Because you agreed to a long term over months payback plan.
You created an income stream when you signed it. So now you drive off with the car. Right? Well, they take your promissory note back to the financial institution, and they put it on the asset no. On the liability side of the ledger. You got double entry bookkeeping. It was invented over in Florence or Italy somewhere in the fifteen hundreds. And that's what allows them to do this, double entry bookkeeping. So here you need to know a little bit about law, promissory notes. You need to know a little bit about accounting because that's what I'm gonna explain to you. And you need to know some of these other areas. You don't have to be expert in it, but you gotta at least know some of it. So they take your promissory note, a promise to pay, where you created an in future income stream, and they put it, Terry, on the liability side of the ledger, the IO IO.
But hold it. It's an income stream. It's a positive side. Wouldn't you think that would be an asset? Well, yeah. It seems like it would be, but they don't use it in the asset column. They put it in the liability column. Now they discount the note to its full payout, discount that payout, and they sell it to some investor in the secondary market at a discount. And they give them debt promissory notes, and they bring those back, and they put those on the asset side of the ledger. So your promissory note was on the liabilities, and now when they exchange it, they bring back less cash, but they put that on the asset side, and they take the majority of that, and they go pay your car dealer for your car. So they don't ever loan anything.
You loan them your signature that creates the whole process. Now, Schauff and them would take people that had mortgages and they would take that to court, and the court would seal the case and give them the keys to their new home. Because the bank lied. They did not loan you anything. You'd loan them your signature on a promissory note and the whole thing happened. Now, important, I read a, Thomas Jefferson quote a couple of years ago, popped up somewhere. Thomas Jefferson understood this because his statement was no discounting of notes.
See, if you just stop the discounting of notes, you stop it right there and the bank holds the paper. But they discount them and they're continually refueling the monetary system by this process. So did that make sense to you, Terry?
[01:51:16] Unknown:
They might be muted. We had, we had a noise coming, from a couple of lines while you were going through that, and I went in and muted them. Okay. Thank you. We do have a hand raised if, if you are muted and the system is not allowing you to unmute, just, dial 941 and raise your hand, and, we'll get you unmuted. Dave from National Status has his hand up.
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Dave, you got a question on that?
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No. I'm sorry. That was residual
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hand up. Sorry, Paul. I took you down. Alright. Okay. No problem. To Terry. Terry, did that answer your questions? Was that explanation satisfactory? It's a complex little system, but that's how the whole system works. And what allows it all to happen? Your birth certificate turned into a warehouse receipt. They got a property right in you. They control your labor for the rest of your life, and they can extend it and collateralize it. There's the basis of the entire monetary system right there. That's why they didn't want that guy bringing that book over with that example in is the one way is a bank can do fractional reserve banking, the other, etcetera. This was the third or the fourth option. And this is what all those people had a problem with with Werner, was getting that information in that book out so people would understand what I just explained to you.
Everything is a trick. Everything is a scam. Everything is an illusion. Nothing is real. They built this whole deal off of the fact that we call debt money, and we think we're free. That's the foundation for the whole thing.
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To be American. Mudger.
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This is the system we've got, and it's got imperfections. And we can't duplex, and we can't have current one on one conversations. I'm sorry. It's the best we can do. Larry.
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Yeah. The whole the the thing that's bad about this whole system, this whole financial system is, you know, most of us students are aware of the fraud. And but the thing is, if if we want a loan, if we don't have the money and we need a car or we need to have
[01:53:54] Unknown:
a house to live in, we have to participate in the fraud. That's just the bad thing about it. Well, you do and you don't. Evidently, we found out, I think it's from Herb, you're one of our guys, that there are secondary people that do have money that will loan you money and you can bypass the banking system. And I don't know about that except it's available. But there are other options, but you're gonna have to look for them.
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They are far and few between. And I'm sure So that's just the hard part about it. Yep. Yep. But it's not impossible.
[01:54:29] Unknown:
Yes. Yes, ma'am.
[01:54:32] Unknown:
Yes. I was gonna say you can get a loan you can get a regular loan from a bank, and tell them that you don't file income tax returns. Create your own, and you can go in, with you can use TurboTax to create your own. And, you can also bring your bank statements. And, with that and your equity in your home or your, w two forms that you get and your,
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credit score, they will loan you money. Okay. And and They're private investors too that will. Okay?
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Yes. Called with
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you may have to go to a few banks to get them to, to get them to actually do it, because, oh, some months ago, one of our people, went shopping for a loan so he could pay off his mortgage. And he doesn't have any credit or he has great credit, but he has no, verifiable income because he doesn't file taxes and because he didn't have three years of tax returns. It didn't matter if he's got, like, over $500,000 in assets, and he was only trying to get a couple of 100 g's to pay off his mortgage. It didn't matter because they they didn't see him as a taxpayer or part of the system, so nobody would give him a loan to pay off his mortgage. Nobody. Even though he could afford it and he had plenty of assets to back it up,
[01:56:00] Unknown:
nobody wanted to play. Okay. Here's my suggestion. If you've got cash, go buy gold and silver if you can get it. Here pretty quick, don't know when, we're gonna see this whole thing tip under because this bond market's clashing it all. COVID has crashed it all. They got commercial loans out there that nobody's in the buildings anymore because they don't come to work anymore. That that in New York City, there's 20 the equivalent of 28 Empire State Buildings that are totally empty. Mhmm. That, of course, affects all the businesses around them, the dry cleaners, the restaurants, the pharmacies, all that stuff. So now they're in trouble. And all that's gonna drag along with this bond market when this all hits, and they either can't control it or else they decide to pull the plug, you're gonna see gold and silver skyrocket 10 times, fifteen, twenty times. I don't know. But at that point, you may have enough funds to do whatever you want. But you gotta do that now, and you better do it quick.
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Right. Roger?
[01:57:11] Unknown:
Yes. Joan.
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Roger. Is it possible since I think a mortgage and a loan is a contract when you put your signature, Is it possible before you put your signature and Julie might know too, is it possible before you before you put your signature, you come to an agreement about the contract and and say, well, okay. I will get the mortgage. I will get the loan if, I just pay off the principal and
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just keep paying that off. And and Joan, I I have no earthly idea. K?
[01:57:45] Unknown:
Quite frankly. It's a good idea, though. Right?
[01:57:48] Unknown:
It's a good idea. Know. If it works, it might be, but I don't know if that'd work. A pre agreement on your promissory note? Never heard anything like that. And and besides, see, they don't keep these things in house, Joan. They discount them and they circulate among investors. That's what 02/2008 was about, was the trenches of all these damn mortgages that they wrote that no doc loans. You don't even have to have a damn job to go in and get one. So there's I I can't answer your question. Who else was saying something there, though? Roger? Roger? That Wells Fargo Bank is taking a 90% loss. Wells Fargo off of building in Denver. I think Wells Fargo had to borrow a 100 and something billion dollars in the fourth quarter just to keep their doors open.
Billion. All these big banks are underwater. Why do you think people like, the Wizard of Omaha there Sold all of his Bank of America stock.
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Sure. Yes.
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Yeah. I'm gonna tell you right now, they're gonna, they're we're not gonna default on our debt. We're gonna insulate it out. It's in the Genius Act. Of course. It's in the g it's in the Genius Act. The the banks should I wait for this, whistle thing? No. Can you go ahead? Go ahead. Okay. The banks so in the stable, in the Genius Act, the Federal Reserve notes are not going away, and neither are the treasuries. The, the the they're gonna issue stable coins. They're backed by Federal Reserve notes and Treasury bonds. And what's gonna happen is the banks are gonna have to buy the treasuries in order to issue the stable coins. So we, the people, indirectly are gonna be buying the debt back. And the way the government right now is paying the dumpers of the Treasury bonds right now is they're issuing USDT Tether, which is a crypto and it's backed by Bitcoin.
So that's what's going on in the financial market right now. And, if you talk to people like, if you talk to people like Ed Dowd, he tells you what his strategy is right now, and his strategy is the same as Warren Buffett's right now. He's he's in all cash. Because once the stock market crashes, this is what Warren Buffett does all the time. They've both been in cash for two years now. Dowd, missed missed the, he thought that the, crash was gonna come, you know, two years ago, and he was wrong on his prediction because we had all these illegals come in the market, and then the treasury just printed and inflated the market with money,
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for these illegals. Julie. Now. Yep. Julie, hang on a minute. We gotta get off the program. That's it for the Radio Ranch. Thanks for joining us. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM. Ciao.
[02:00:44] Unknown:
What a day. Okay. So, you know, the the reason why the banks are closing and consolidating is because we're going to a digital currency system as of 09/30/2025, Trump signed the executive order for the Digital Currency Act on 03/25/2025. And that's why they're working at warp speed right now, pushing things along because too many of us know too many things about the digital ID and the digital concentration camp that's that's that's basically rolling out at quote, unquote warp speed.
[02:01:15] Unknown:
Well, Julia, why would somebody like Warren Buffett be sitting on so much cash when it's being inflated? Good god, Wahid. They're waiting for the crash, and they come back and buy assets at tens percent on the dollar.
[02:01:29] Unknown:
If you can figure that out Wahid, they're they're they're predicting a stock market crash of anywhere from 40 to 50%, and Ed Dowd said it could be as low as 30%. This is what Warren Buffett did in the in in the, crash of the real estate crash of the 02/2007, 02/2008. He knows things because he he's in with the globalist. As soon and and Ed Dowd follows exactly what his trades are, and he does the same thing with his company called Finance Technologies. And he used to be the fund manager for, Larry Fink at BlackRock. He managed billion dollar portfolio, so he knows what he's doing. Vanguard
[02:02:07] Unknown:
Vanguard and BlackRock control 50% of the real estate market. Don't they? Vanguard
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And State Street. They control, like, the whole world. They own every company.
[02:02:26] Unknown:
The major ones. They own a no. They don't own them all. They just buy enough stock where they've got controlling interest.
[02:02:33] Unknown:
Exactly. That's when I say they own them, that that's what I mean. They have controlling interest in all the major, major brands and the major, major companies and the major, major real estate markets. That's why, folks, the only thing that can bring these folks down is what we've got here because it exposes all this fraud. Exactly. Roger.
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Larry.
[02:02:56] Unknown:
Yeah. And another thing, don't forget, what about the discussion that we had with, Josie back last summer. She wanted to go to a bank to get a so called loan for a mortgage for a house, and they they would not provide a loan unless she said she was a US citizen, and she was concerned about that. And she called the show. Do you remember that? So Not really. When you go to these commercial federal reserve banks, the only way they'll loan to you is if you acknowledge you're a US citizen. And Now I know I know that doesn't override our affidavit, but because you explained that to her, but it's still it's still fraud again, you know, another layer of fraud there.
[02:03:43] Unknown:
Larry, you gotta find a small bank that will keep the loan in house because what all these banks do is they pull all the loans together in the form of mortgage backed securities or collateralized bond obligations, and they sell them as securities. And they have to follow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Freddie Mac. Regulations in order to do this. So if they're planning on selling it, those regulations will not let a national have a give a loan to a national. But if you're able to, show if you're able to go to a smaller bank that keeps the actual mortgages on their books, and there are some out there, you just have to hunt for them, then you can usually get a loan from a bank if you have proper equity and you can show income.
[02:04:28] Unknown:
Amen. Okay. I'm I'm gonna go for it. Go to a small bank and ask them two questions. Number one, do you sell your loans on the bond market? Do you discount them to the Federal Reserve? And, do you have any principal reduction prepayment penalties?
[02:04:53] Unknown:
Because do, Paul, is just ask them if they if they if they if they make any, loans,
[02:04:58] Unknown:
residential loans, and keep them on their books in house instead of I I think our people are smart enough to know that now is not the time to take out a mortgage and buy a house.
[02:05:09] Unknown:
Well, it the the reason that I said Yeah. But the principle me as up.
[02:05:14] Unknown:
Well, he'd hang up. You just can't override why he he's gonna bust Oh, yes. I can. His peace, and he
[02:05:21] Unknown:
never recognizes our protocol here. Never. Yes. I can. Because I have the power of the mute button, and I've still got 12 more dB of gain on my microphone. The reason you ask them if they have a principal reduction in prepayment penalty is because some lending institutions will penalize you the interest that you would have saved by making an additional payment to shorten the term of your loan by eliminating interest off the back end. Some lenders will penalize you by charging you that interest so it doesn't buy you anything to pay it off early. That's something you wanna know before you sign on the dotted line. Tom, go ahead. I
[02:06:03] Unknown:
agree. I agree. I agree. I agree, Paul. You're correct on that. What I was meet what I was basically saying was just to get a loan. You know? You wanna know that, and then you wanna ask those questions, but I agree with you.
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Okay. I'm somebody else trying to say something.
[02:06:20] Unknown:
Am am I gonna be able to sell this a prenatainment
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penalty? I know. Yeah. Waheed, I swear if I had you, I'd I'd I'd slap you inside the face. You never recognize our protocols. You're always busting in, and you always wanna take us off to damn Mars or someplace. Whatever we're talking about is not gonna be generally what you want. Moheeb, speak your piece.
[02:06:47] Unknown:
I was saying I was saying, am I gonna be able to sell this house over here? It was worth 900 in in in in 2022, March 2022. Is there any way for me to put the interest rates like they are and and with oh, god.
[02:07:03] Unknown:
Wade, how do you expect that they answer this question? Yeah. It's like you saying, how do I convince my mother to put that thing in a trust? How the hell are we supposed to do that?
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Right. Okay, Wiggy. John in Georgia
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wants to speak. Yep. Here's big John right there. Hey, John.
[02:07:26] Unknown:
I was actually asked to join me on the back end here. So, by the time I come on, I was listening to Paul telling a story of someone who was trying to get a mortgage, but they were unable to get a mortgage because they didn't have those three years of tax returns to back that. Right? So Yeah. I guess for any people that have been around your call here for a few years, that might resonate because that was a situation that I was in. And it was kind of a permissive a permissive spot to be in because I needed it for business purposes, but I didn't have the tax returns any longer. So, I guess my only word of caution, and I've I've said it before and I'll just say it again, is if you are going to do an ROE or if you're just gonna exit the system, whatever, know what your personal needs are. Not only, like, right now today, but you need to be able to anticipate where your needs are gonna be in the future.
If you do an ROE, it's pretty permanent. You're not gonna have those returns. Ask me how I know that. There are other ways around it. I help a few people one on one around here. And, you know, what I've said and what I do is file like everyone else does. And then I actually wait two tax years, not one, but two tax years. And I go back and I file a ten forty x and a ten forty n r, and then I get it back from two years ago. And the reason I do that is because the banker is using my information the following year, so I just leave it alone. And then the the next year, when he's already done with it and he's moving to the following the the next next year, then I cancel out the one buying them again. There you go. Smart way to approach it. And it doesn't trigger anything with the banker. He has no clue.
[02:09:19] Unknown:
Well Oh, you file John. File a regular, ten forty, or do you file a 10 Mhmm. And then go back and file a ten forty x and ten forty n r?
[02:09:30] Unknown:
I file a regular ten forty like anyone except some of the people on this call would file.
[02:09:36] Unknown:
Okay. That's a lot of sense. That's an interesting and creative strategy you're using. So do that and then wait for two tax years and then file a ten forty x and ten forty n r.
[02:09:46] Unknown:
I mean, it depends. Do you really need to wait two tax years? I did because the banker has it in his hands, and I don't wanna just nullify what he's working with that year. And it's not really two tax years by the calendar year anyway. It's one year and one day. After you trip up the next day, now you're the following tax year. Right? So it's really like three hundred and sixty six days. I would you know what I mean? So Yeah. It is it's two years, but it's not really two years.
[02:10:12] Unknown:
That's very interesting. How do people get a hold of you, John?
[02:10:19] Unknown:
Well,
[02:10:23] Unknown:
it's a good question. I don't give any evidence public advice. Smoke cigarettes. I mean
[02:10:29] Unknown:
I mean, I guess, collectively, ask Roger or or, Merca. If if if you are already connected with Merca, you can get with Merca, and she can get with me. K. And you're out of Georgia. Right? Well Sometimes. Roger or Merca? Sometime. Thank you.
[02:10:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, John. Good to meet you. Thanks for joining. It's been a brisk show today. I lost control early on.
[02:11:02] Unknown:
I mean, it's it's not hard. And and when you have it's funny to me. I don't join in anymore guys much very often. Like, very rarely. I come in a couple times a year. Right. And it's interesting to me that you still have one individual in here that hasn't figured out the protocol for the show, but they're still here. I I applaud you for your patience because I would not have the patience for that.
[02:11:26] Unknown:
It taxes me at times, John.
[02:11:31] Unknown:
It taxes me. Yep. I can see that.
[02:11:34] Unknown:
Hey, John. I just Hey, John.
[02:11:37] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:11:38] Unknown:
Okay. We'll let the let the lady go first.
[02:11:41] Unknown:
Uh-uh. Hi, John. I'm working with Merka, and, I would like to get in contact with you, if possible. Once I'm clear cleared up some something she's helping me with, with the tax thing. I didn't file this year. Normally, I file every year, but, since I'm doing the, status correction, I would like to know that process if you don't mind.
[02:12:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I'll I'll do what I can. I mean, I don't have a great deal of of, free time as as many people know.
[02:12:22] Unknown:
That's fine.
[02:12:24] Unknown:
I I I mean that most sincerely. I'm not I don't mean I just I'm stretched thinly, but I can I'll try doing what I can. I think everybody's situation is a little bit unique, so it's it's not practical in most cases to just tell somebody, here's what you do, and this works for everybody because I just don't think that's the case. Yeah. Right.
[02:12:46] Unknown:
Hey, John. I have a question. So you joined you joined the program late, so you didn't hear what we were talking about early on, and I don't wanna rub salt in any wounds or anything like that or bring on bring up the an instrument of chaos to to, get the after show started on that bent. But did you hear about what happened to Joel Salatin, the lunatic farmer? And are you, like, in the loop on any of that? No. I'm not. Recent events? Okay. Well, recently,
[02:13:18] Unknown:
do you even know who he is? Hold on, Paul. Do you even know who he is, John?
[02:13:24] Unknown:
I mean, I I know the name, but I don't even know. I've never spoken to him. Yes. I I couldn't even tell you what part of the country he's in, but I know the name. Yeah. Right. Okay.
[02:13:33] Unknown:
Alright. Well, basically, what happened is Joel Salatin, he is called the lunatic farmer, and he's trying to get back to nonhormone and naturally organic farming. And going back to the whole food, the whole real food angle, food safety, food purity, and all that. Okay. And he set up a PMA so people could buy his produce, could buy his products. And the, I don't know if it was the feds or it was some law enforcement agency. I don't know if it was state or federal. They've been sending operatives in trying to get them to sell them product. And, you know, they tried multiple times. Finally, one day, they got somebody to sell them something without being a member of the PMA, and now the government is going after Joel, trying to shut him down or trying to, create his pockets.
What do you what do you say? What, what are your thoughts on that? I think it was another farmer, not Joel, but
[02:14:41] Unknown:
regardless, that's the example, John.
[02:14:45] Unknown:
Yeah. That's a tough one.
[02:14:49] Unknown:
Well,
[02:14:52] Unknown:
so what was the issue with the product he was selling? They just, they, they had issue with them selling under a PMA or were they questioning
[02:14:59] Unknown:
whether it was organic or sort of certified? We don't we don't know all those we don't know all those details. All was related to us was and I don't think it was Joel. I think it was one of these farmers because he's aware of PMAs that had decided to go that route. And I don't know if it was the farmer directly or one of his hands, but the feds kept coming back and, they kept telling them evidently they had one on file. They had one on file, and they keep badgering them in separate trips. And either the farmer or one of his people sold them something, and there was not they weren't in the PMA.
Basically, the problem, the feds lied. Yeah. That's all that's about all we know.
[02:15:45] Unknown:
They're probably doing it under USDA regulations or whatever and, man, I'm because I know some of the products he sells are, like, whole milk and whole cheese and things like that,
[02:15:58] Unknown:
or raw. Sure. You know, it's interesting.
[02:16:01] Unknown:
I mean, I buy all of I buy all of my products from a place like that. We go in and it's all locally grown. I mean, they don't technically
[02:16:10] Unknown:
Any tomato products. Certified.
[02:16:13] Unknown:
They don't certify any of the possible chemicals that they put these something there. Female talking. Please mute. Please. Go. Go. Okay. Go ahead, Joel. Somebody just forgot to mute. I was gonna say that here in Georgia, we buy all I we buy a significant portion of our meat, vegetables, and and some other random things from a shop that probably is a lot like his. And, you know, like, the the the milk and cheese products, they just market for animal consumption only. I mean, it's just a they don't have any issue. Doesn't mean they don't have issue tomorrow, but yeah.
I think it says it right on the the cooler where it is animal consumption only. So I I don't know if that's a valid way to get around it, but I, I mean, I'm seeing that at other places. Because they don't make any other claims.
[02:17:04] Unknown:
I think that stops some cold. I think that stops some cold right there. That's very smart whoever came up with that.
[02:17:13] Unknown:
It could. I mean, in hindsight, they could say, you know, the sticker fell off. I don't know. It was on the floor. Kid knocked it off. I I don't know. I mean Yeah.
[02:17:25] Unknown:
Can I can I ask you a question?
[02:17:28] Unknown:
I heard everybody's upset you. Hello? But, I I, I thought I was on top of him. And can I ask you a question?
[02:17:38] Unknown:
Pardon? I sir, you're not Pardon me. You're a little bit you're not totally clear. I think that's your name. Just stop, Wahid. Just stop. Ask Julio a question.
[02:17:49] Unknown:
No. No. You went until the after show. Just stick around.
[02:17:53] Unknown:
Are you drunk?
[02:17:58] Unknown:
Did you did you just walk into a wall or something like that, Wahid? Is that the deal?
[02:18:03] Unknown:
I'm telling you, this guy's a piece of work.
[02:18:05] Unknown:
I don't think that's what he
[02:18:08] Unknown:
there is an ATM. Is. Working on the ATM.
[02:18:13] Unknown:
Yeah. He's having another conversation.
[02:18:17] Unknown:
They're working on the ATM right now. So I'm gonna go ahead and bring him mute. Oh my lord. Lord. You disaster.
[02:18:26] Unknown:
Alright. Waheed, we'll catch you later.
[02:18:31] Unknown:
Lord have mercy. Wow. Waheed's been coming around here for years. Years.
[02:18:38] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:18:39] Unknown:
He's just as inconsiderate as the first time he came in. That's very true.
[02:18:45] Unknown:
Very true. So, anyway, well, wherever we were, we'll see if we can find it again. See, that's my problem with that kind of crap. So it totally takes you off track, and you totally lose your train of thought.
[02:18:59] Unknown:
And especially when you have somebody on here who I value hearing so much as John, and he hardly comes on. And to have those kind of interruptions
[02:19:08] Unknown:
is just almost intolerable. Well, it's in the the most one of the most inconsiderate things that you can do, I think. So, anyway, John's good to hear you.
[02:19:21] Unknown:
I mean, everybody everybody is worthwhile. Everybody's worthwhile, and everyone is valuable. But when somebody like John calls into the program, he calls in, like, twice a year. He immediately gets boosted to preferential status. So just let him talk, please.
[02:19:42] Unknown:
John, your name came up. I don't know if I'm deserving of that, Paul, but thank you. And, I'll say Roger, Paul, Marga. If y'all need to reach me, like, today, some two people reached out to me in the background and said, hey. Would you mind calling in? And so I did. That's why I'm here. Do you still hear me okay?
[02:20:07] Unknown:
Yeah. You cut out there a minute for a minute.
[02:20:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm not sure if but do you hear me okay now?
[02:20:14] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. I can hear you now. Okay. Now. Alright.
[02:20:18] Unknown:
Perfect. I was just saying, you know, I'm reachable. Two people reached out to me in the background today and asked if I had a minute to join. So here I am. If you need something, reach out. And if I'm available, I'll I'll try to join.
[02:20:31] Unknown:
Okay. What we were talking about earlier where your name came up was in possibly trying to contact this farmer, Salison, whatever his name is, from your standpoint knowledge base. He's got a huge following evidently of farmers. And Samuel, coming from a farming background, opened the show with this today. It took up the whole first hour. Okay? In that period of time, your name came up as to potentially reaching out and and see if you could get a hold of this guy. Well, for one thing Sure. With our information in some way, shape, or form about a year and a half ago. And he he hadn't come forward. It didn't resonate with him at that point.
And my my way of doing things at this stage of it is I just don't go chase people. It's very unproductive. It makes enemies at times. So, that, that was what that came up in in in that context. So everybody, bunch of people gonna send him emails. Let's see if he replies. Wahid, is that you coming on here again?
[02:21:42] Unknown:
Well, before you go, though, Roger, before we change subjects, I do I I I'll share something else with you if you wanna keep the topic of farming up for just a minute.
[02:21:50] Unknown:
Yes. Go ahead, John.
[02:21:53] Unknown:
So I think all the farmers have, you know, some sort of challenge going on. So mine, this particular year is, you know, I'm I'm hearing lots of banter that other countries don't wanna import our, genetically modified products coming out of The US. They don't want it. So Understandable. I've I've grown non GMO crops, purely non GMO. They're not certified organic now, but they are non GMO. They're they'll pass any test. They'll they'll register less than 1% of any, contamination from cross pollination and things of that. I've got one buyer, and that's it. And my buyer canceled on me. So I'm sitting on an entire crop here that I can't sell. I mean, I can go dump it in the same hole with the next guy growing a GMO crop, but for anyone that knows a little bit about the business also knows that it's more expensive. It's a hell of a lot more labor intensive to grow what I grow than what my neighbors grow, and it's due a premium. That's why I grow it. It's it's worth the premium.
[02:22:57] Unknown:
Hey, John.
[02:22:58] Unknown:
For human consumption and and and it's valued higher. And there's no buyers. They tell me that there's no demand for it, so therefore, we don't want it. I I
[02:23:06] Unknown:
yeah.
[02:23:07] Unknown:
Go. Yeah. Hey, John. Do you I wanted to I'm sorry for interrupting, but I wanted to find out, a, do you ship? And, b, are you are you familiar with my organic market? I know the owner up here, and all he sells is non GMO organic products in all of his stores up here.
[02:23:27] Unknown:
I mean, I don't currently produce anything but grain. So, farmers that want, you know, non GMO grain, I suppose that would be okay. But, I mean, in the past, my soybeans go to Japan for, soy sauce and, whatever that other, soy based product is they make. And, typically, the corn would just go one state over to Kentucky where it would be producing, mostly whiskey and, some other, alcohol products.
[02:24:05] Unknown:
But but your but your corn, he, all he does is sell, non GMO corn, in all of his stores, and everybody flocks to it because all the other corn is GMO. And he he you can't keep it in his store. If you don't go when the delivery is that day, it's it's gone in two hours.
[02:24:23] Unknown:
So are you talking, like, for human consumption grain or just, like, field corn grain? I I'm not clear what what he sells. Well, he sells the regular corn, that people can eat. Are you just selling the non GMO grain? Yeah. So mine mine is just field corn. It's not I mean, it'll be it would typically be used in the production of something in supply chain for human consumption, not not animal or ethanol or other things like GMO grain is, but it's not like one you eat. So it's not like a sweet corn or anything like that that that you would eat. So I could I could find out I could find out who his suppliers are for the non GMO corn that would use your grain and potentially,
[02:25:05] Unknown:
get you in touch with those farms. Because he only he only buys local from the East Coast.
[02:25:12] Unknown:
I see. What I need is the buyer for distilleries. That's what I really need because it would be local to me. It has to be something that's feasible to truck it there. If you go too far, then it just doesn't pencil out. Right? So, seeing that my end users were distilleries in the past, and there was just a middleman supplying it, I'm gonna have to scratch real hard to see if I can find a way to bypass the middleman and see if I can find the market for it on my own or I'm gonna be in trouble.
[02:25:40] Unknown:
Is is is Virginia too far is Virginia too far for you to ship? Because I have a friend who just has his own whiskey, distillery here in Virginia. I've toured it, and it's amazing.
[02:25:52] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, it would be pretty far. So yeah.
[02:25:57] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. Sorry. I was just going to help.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
Sure thing. So yeah, so anyway, I just thought I would explain. It's a bit weird. You know, we we get this news that that other countries don't want our our GMO products, but I can't seem to find a buyer for a non GMO product. So what the hell is the story?
[02:26:13] Unknown:
Right. I can understand why they wouldn't want the GMO products, especially from us. But, I I I can't figure out why you can't find a buyer or why that guy canceled. People stopped drinking whiskey or what?
[02:26:29] Unknown:
I mean, I'm sure there's other outlets. It's not to say that they exclusively went there by any means. But, I was told that, for anyone that has current contracts, they reduced their purchase by 20%. So they retracted the purchases and then others, they just canceled them.
[02:26:49] Unknown:
Wow. And those are all domestic potential buyers. Right? Yep.
[02:26:57] Unknown:
If I really want the name drop, I'd tell you the I'd tell you the institution, but I won't do that. Well, that's the is this booming it's the booming economy Trump's telling us about. Right? Yeah.
[02:27:07] Unknown:
Roger.
[02:27:08] Unknown:
Yep. Yes. Samuel.
[02:27:11] Unknown:
If you want, I can fill John a little bit. I was on the road, a little, on who Joel Salatin is. He's he didn't have the PMA problem. That was what he he's a farmer's advocate. He speaks in front of congress. He goes all over the country and Europe speaking about the problems with family farming and farming in general. Mhmm. And he's he started out, as a professional. And, he inherited the farm in the Shenandoah Valley where the land was pretty much wore out. And he took it over and turned it into Wonderland with no chemical fertilizer, etcetera. Mhmm. And he supplies dozens and dozens of restaurants, high quality food.
Now he was successful in that, but he has a hard time, you know, with all the regulation, trying to get through congress, what they really need to do to change the farming world. And this PMA issue was an issue that came up with a client, not him. But it the the thing that I think Joel and and a lot of farmers would be open to is Roger's message. I think it's perfect for them. And that's that's all I'm trying to to get us to do is to contact Joel, let him know about Roger, and go from there.
[02:28:43] Unknown:
I think that you would be surprised. My first instinct is to say that most people who own a farm such as me or you would be probably very standoffish because they know that they have a lot of assets on the line, and they're scared to death to make the wrong move. And Agree. I mean, you know, it means scare tactics are what have been unleashed on the public for a whole life, and they've done a really good job at it. I've mentioned it to very few other farmers, and they were not they they weren't open to hearing it. I didn't mention it to anyone that's in my immediate area, but others, yeah, they just weren't receptive to it. And it's not to say the next guy you talk to,
[02:29:41] Unknown:
wouldn't be. But it's a hard Joel's the kind of guy, John, that people will listen to. And he if you I I sent his last blog, which is on subject here on point. I sent it to Paul. I sent it to, Lisa. So, and, Mer, so they could post it for anybody who wants to read it. But it it reads like he's skeptical of the PMA because of this bad thing that happened. And I sort of blogged back, and I said, hey. Well, listen. You guys are using the sovereignty word, which is a no no to start with. You gotta get rid of that or they're gonna look at you as a terrorist. And then the the thing with the PMA is fine, but you wanna really have that PMA have some strength. You don't wanna be a federal citizen.
And that's pretty much where I left it. But I think Joel is open to this message, and people listen to Joel. So if we can get him, I think that's a cornerstone.
[02:30:43] Unknown:
If if I can make a comment, I think one of the things that the farmers have going on is farm subsidies really have them by the huevos. They are afraid to do anything because some of them rely on farm subsidies from the very beast that has them under their thumb to survive.
[02:31:04] Unknown:
Without those subsidies, they go away with it. You bring up And they were the You bring up the great point. Communism in this country is to could take over the food supply. You know? It's they've they've been indoctrinated longer than anybody.
[02:31:19] Unknown:
If you listen to that, training with the enemies video that, rancher doctor rancher did, he focuses a lot on the farming industry, and, actually, that's how they shoehorned a lot It was through the Department of Agriculture, so it's always been a center of focus. Sure has. Afternoon,
[02:31:38] Unknown:
both of them. Here's their loading ramps. That's correct. Alger Hiss with Harry Dexter White, the the experimental jurisprudence in the New Deal speech was done by the guy from the Department of Agriculture. They've had firm control of it. Probably the first thing they went after, you know, ages wise. You know,
[02:32:01] Unknown:
I've had this conversation with a lot of people and farmers in general, I do believe, you know, the government wants to keep farmers poor. They want to keep, they want to keep a perception of the public that they're rich, but in reality, you know, they're very dependent on the government and they're just barely getting by year to year. Because if, if you really know how the books run for a farm, you have all of the liabilities and debt load that's carried every year. But as far as the assets go, I mean, they're in the many, many, many, many millions for most farmers, and you can't let those assets nowhere on my books.
Do I get to go? The hell I don't know. Take a simple take a simple scenario, good Credit Karma. And Credit Karma, they wanna know or they already know. What's your net worth? Right? You look at mine. I've entered it in just for the hell of it. I wanna see if it'll show up. They won't. They will not put it in there. They just won't recognize it. Because if they did, all of a sudden, the 1% of the population or farmers in the world would be considered, like, the most rich people asset rich people in existence, and they can't have that.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
Well, they're also liability rich too. That's the problem. You see a farmer with a million dollar combine, it doesn't mean he can afford a million dollar combine. It means he's up to his eyeballs in debt because of the million dollar combine.
[02:33:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. They're pushing all of the liability onto each individual to carry for, what, a two or 3% margin? I mean, it's it's absolutely mind blowing, And I'll just use an example. I I'm I'm not gonna get too specific, but let's just say, you know, in a in a farm like mine, you may have $20,000,000 in assets, like land and another 4 or $5,000,000 in equipment, and you've gotta hire people to work, and you work full time every day, and at the end of the year, you might make $40,000. In what world does that make sense? Wow. None.
[02:34:08] Unknown:
John, I'm in, California, and I listened to this guy who's, he's he's part of the legislative branch, and he's fourth generation farmer. And he says that 80% of the land in California is still owned by family farms, and the legislature does everything it can do every year to put them out of business. Absolutely. That's what we're facing. Once they control that completely, oh, man. Are we in trouble with our food supply? You know?
[02:34:42] Unknown:
Anyway, it's tough. Speaking from personal experience, you know, everybody deals with federal and state. Well, even the local, township that, where my farm presides, they come and and they extort you for theirs too. So if it isn't already on the the tax roll for real estate, property taxes, or if it doesn't have a license plate on it, it's subject to personal property taxes, and they're gonna come and collect whatever the hell they feel like any given year. And, and you've gotta pay up. They they actually show up to your place, and they can forcefully enter it.
[02:35:19] Unknown:
May I? I have a question for John. I'm wondering, not knowing anything about this, isn't there or shouldn't there be some centralized place where companies list, you know, what they're looking for as far as farm product or a place where farmers can present what they have? Is there or is there not a centralized location like website where I mean, otherwise, if it was me, you know, I'd just be contacting different companies that I know sell this type of stuff. But is isn't there something like that, John?
[02:36:08] Unknown:
No. Not really. I mean, I'm sure there's lots of local cooperatives that, you know, small individuals have set up for communities. I I don't doubt those exist, but on any larger scale, I've never heard of anything like that. I mean, back in, like, the sixties and the seventies, collective bargaining, that was the term. So collective bargaining was a thing. There's a couple of organizations that advocated for farmers. My dad actually worked in office for one of them for a number of years at a state level and then at a national level. And, they just they didn't really stand the test of time.
I don't know if you remember back in I would assume it would be the fifties. I hope I'm recalling the right decade because it's before my time. The dairy farmers took all their milk and dumped it because they were trying to, you know, or they they were they were standing up against low dairy prices, so they all went and just dumped their milk. I don't know if that I remember that.
[02:37:12] Unknown:
And what about when they were trying to shoot the cows with that something that made them produce more milk or something a few years ago, but was, had had damage repercussions? I don't remember what that I just vaguely remember the incident.
[02:37:26] Unknown:
Probably a separate bovine growth hormone, I believe. It. Thank you, Lisa.
[02:37:32] Unknown:
Bovine Well, don't they don't they radiate the milk? Don't they radiate some milk? I don't know. I mean, that's the worst part. They pasteurize it
[02:37:40] Unknown:
and and and homogenize it. And that's when heart problems started going straight out of the ceiling back in the forties when they started doing that. Because it breaks down that fat module larger? It breaks down that fat module from where the body's meant to handle it to as much smaller and it does damage. What, Dave?
[02:38:02] Unknown:
Boy. Yeah. I just want you guys to check out a website. It's called eatwild.com. Eatwild.com. Check it out, John. You might be able to, you know, get some traction there. Everybody you can find, you know, clean food there. I yield. Mhmm. I'll
[02:38:21] Unknown:
tell you the other people But I I think you're right. Go ahead. People's lactose intolerance and allergies, it all comes from the stupid processing they're doing in the foodies. They mess up all up on purpose. Every good thing that you can think of, you know, some take something as simple as an almond, you know, a good raw almond has so many good properties, but by the time they get done with those, they're not even worth a damn on the shelf, You know? Right. I mean, everything.
[02:38:46] Unknown:
Well, that's why I'm glad I'm in Ecuador. I'll tell you that. I hear y'all having to go through all this crap up there, and we just don't have anything like that down here.
[02:38:58] Unknown:
So I was watching a short brief article. Another member here on, on this group that doesn't necessarily join anymore turned me onto this, but there's a site called 153news.net. 153news.net. I have no affiliation to this, by the way. There's super good information that people submitted there. They were calling attention to the fact that much of the product that Whole Foods is selling under their, I think it's what, three sixty five label, whatever brand is actually certified organic from China where there is actually no certification process at all. Right.
[02:39:38] Unknown:
So Every day is a scam, ma'am. It's all a scam. Yeah.
[02:39:43] Unknown:
Yeah. It's all it really is. So you need to be careful too. If you buy something organic from a store off of the shelf, make sure that it says does not say that it was sourced from China. When they put a query in on this, the USDA said it's not our responsibility. It's China's responsibility to certify it. And then they went to China, and China said, no. It's not our responsibility. It's each farm's responsibility to hire their own certifier to certify the product. So nothing like validating your own product to make sure that it meets all specs. Right? And
[02:40:13] Unknown:
yep. Yeah. There you go. Well, it's a doggy doggy world, John. Yep. Roger.
[02:40:23] Unknown:
Yes. Roger, John. Yeah. This is David McCum. I've got a lot of Amish friends, and, the first Amish guy we met when we moved up here, He started his brothers, they all live on the same street and they've got hundreds of acres and they grow organic food and they sell to Whole Foods. All their number one crops go to Whole Foods. I don't know what they do with it, but it's Whole Foods in Michigan and, you know and then he sells the seconds and thirds out of his you know little warehouse at his you know right at his farm and, they grow some good food. They're they don't use any, you know, even the organic crap that they allow you to use, they don't use it.
They're all natural.
[02:41:15] Unknown:
I'm looking at other options for future years. I mean, we exclusively grow corn and soybeans. I mean, it's just a different world. It's not the type of thing that you're gonna go sell that somebody's gonna sit down and eat at the table. But I have at least one cousin that, last year, so this present crop year, he signed up for some sort of cooperative with a company that will come in and work with you as long as you provide the land to do large scale. But I'm not really sure about fruits, but certainly vegetables, a whole variety of vegetables on this land that used to just produce corn and soybeans.
And, you know, like they'll, they'll provide the manual labor and you provide the land and you plan it and I think they help harvest it. So I was kind of waiting to see how that went because it's, it's, it's still kind of a big scale thing. Right? I mean, if you put on 300 acres of vegetables, that's, that's nothing just sort of, you know, to sniff at. So, I was kinda waiting to see how that worked out for him this year, and I may consider something like that for future years, but that's a way different direction than our family farm is traditional Ben.
[02:42:26] Unknown:
Comment. Or comment. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Absolutely. Go. If you will revert to the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1949, that's where everything comes forth. The congress is adamant about maintaining a current farm bill. You know? Who gives crap about the farmers? But when it comes time for a farm bill renewal, that does come to the surface. Because if the current farm bill is ever allowed to expire, and it's been this way since '49 because it's written in that, law, the everything reverts back to the act of, yes, the act of '49, which is to maintain parity pricing.
Mhmm. Most of you are not aware of what parity pricing is. It's the prices farmers received during the golden era of agriculture, which was I think it was 1914 to 1917. That's when relative to all other prices, that's when prices were the highest for agricultural products. And if you listen to farm broadcast generally early in the morning, they'll occasionally mention parity prices for certain certain crops. And those were published by USDA every week. Supposed to be, but they got the farmer by the short hairs.
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Yep.
[02:44:17] Unknown:
I'm sorry. Who was this speaking? This is Joe in Oklahoma. He's from Western Oklahoma out there.
[02:44:24] Unknown:
I got it. You sound like you're pretty Jinkx. Are you in the agricultural industry yourself?
[02:44:29] Unknown:
Sir?
[02:44:30] Unknown:
Are you in the agricultural industry yourself? Most definitely.
[02:44:34] Unknown:
Okay. And Gene Schroeder is an expert
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on this act of 49. And and Gene's a personal friend to Joe's here. He's the guy that did Ward Emergency Powers, and Joe knew all the people that were involved in that.
[02:44:48] Unknown:
So I'm actually familiar with parity pricing. Joe, do you happen to remember an organization I don't know if it's kind of me to ask. How old are you?
[02:44:59] Unknown:
Almost 77.
[02:45:01] Unknown:
You absolutely would then. Do you remember the organization, National Farmers Organization, NFO? Yes, sir. Okay. So my dad was vice president there for a number of years, and he was state president in Indiana for most of my life.
[02:45:18] Unknown:
They try to make an impact, but farm bureau help break them.
[02:45:22] Unknown:
Yep. So, you know, it was always butting heads with farm bureau and farm bureau coming in as a cooperative that was supposed to be there to benefit the farmer. Well, I mean, we can see how that went. They're a retail outlet. They're they're they're not there to help the farmers whatsoever. But, yeah, I don't know. They just managed to just shrink in a photo to nothing. It still exists. I think it's in it's still it's either in Ames or I think it's actually in Nevada, Iowa, if I remember correctly now. It wasn't Ames. But it's down to, like, one little storefront building where it used to be a big corporate park.
But, yeah, I mean, my my family was active, and and they fought in that battle for my whole life. I mean, that's all I knew growing up.
[02:46:03] Unknown:
If, if you care to learn about the farm economy and the economy in general, the basics of it, are followed by the name of Charles Walters junior, Raw Materials Economics. It's the name of the book. And, I haven't participated in it for several years, but there's an organization called the National Organization for Raw Materials.
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And,
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there's you can learn an awful lot about what goes on, why things are the way they are in agriculture.
[02:46:52] Unknown:
Can you repeat that book? Joke.
[02:46:55] Unknown:
Hold on, Jerry. Can you repeat that book and author, Joe, please, slowly so John can write it down?
[02:47:04] Unknown:
Yes. The name of the book is Raw, r a w, Materials Economics. Okay. Thank you. And it's, the author is Charles Walter Junior.
[02:47:24] Unknown:
K.
[02:47:25] Unknown:
And, there's another organization that they're the ones that printed the book. Actually, it's called Acres USA. Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. And, library congress number, if you're interested, is 9191Dash76287. Got it. Okay. Appreciate that. The add the address in the book for Acres USA is Acres USA, Box 9547, Kansas it Kansas City, MO
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K.
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64113 Dash 9547.
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Okay. Got it.
[02:48:31] Unknown:
Cool. I remember that. But Joe from the nineties, I had a copy of it from some Yep.
[02:48:37] Unknown:
Acres USA. I remember. 1991.
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Yep.
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If I may read just a paragraph enter that's a paragraph. Who could have thought that it would be easier to produce by toil and skill all the most necessary or desirable commodities than it is to find consumers for them? It is certain that the economic problems with which we are now confronted is not adequately solved. Indeed, it is not solved at all by the teachings of the textbooks. However, grand may be their logic, however illustrious may be their own Winston Churchill. Ah. That was from 1932. Mhmm.
[02:49:28] Unknown:
See, John, you never know what you're gonna learn when you come on here. Hey, Gary.
[02:49:34] Unknown:
Well, this discussion has avoided the topic of the commodity market out of Chicago, which is totally controlled by the, guess who, the chicken swingers. Yeah.
[02:49:45] Unknown:
So,
[02:49:47] Unknown:
you know, just like gold and silver markets are controlled out of the city of London. It's all being controlled.
[02:49:54] Unknown:
By the chicken swingers. You you know, I mean to that is
[02:49:59] Unknown:
that is all facilitated. And I agree with you, Gary, but that is all facilitated by the colleges and universities because they teach this crap to the students. Yep. And that's that's the reason that you you can't get out from under it. Because that's it's And then they charge them a student loan, and it carries
[02:50:19] Unknown:
so high a percentage that the person of the first couple of years, they pay the I heard a girl paying 1,300 a month. And she looks up and she owed more than she did to start.
[02:50:34] Unknown:
No. My chiropractor paid $60,000. Yeah. My chiropractor played paid $60,000 for her chiropractic degree. She's getting ready to retire. She paid 500 a month for all those decades, and they tell her she still owes $600,000.
[02:50:54] Unknown:
There you go. You sure You soon. You gotta get that poem from, Paul from Paul and play it. By the way, this afternoon's Paul's show. So you gotta dart out early, don't you? Yep. So, anyway, it was a a poem by Ezra Pound he read called Usura. Very, dramatic reading. Okay. So who else has got something to bring forth here? Todd, are you still hanging around? You and your gang? We got some new folks on here, John. We pierced, somebody had their own group with our, message, and they've been coming around here last week or so. So you may wanna know May I? Yeah. Well, of course, you may. Yes, ma'am.
[02:51:47] Unknown:
John, I understand what you're saying about, location, but I wanted to just mention, you know, Bragg's aminos, they say non GMO soy. That might be, a place you could contact. I have no idea, but,
[02:52:09] Unknown:
Braggs is a vendor group.
[02:52:12] Unknown:
It's been bought by Bill No. No. No. They have many they have many products. They have many products. Alright. But I I would love to see John's, I agree, Roger. There are not necessarily good people. These people only own small percentage. Like Katy Perry, they only own a small percentage of the company. But I'm just thinking, like, if it was me, I'd probably be at the computer day and night looking for companies that need my product and contacting them. If I could help in any way, I'd be happy to.
[02:52:51] Unknown:
I appreciate that. I'm I'm still looking. All of this kinda got dropped on my head this year. So, now I'm furiously trying to find a a new outlet for it. So that was a bit unexpected.
[02:53:04] Unknown:
Well, so what we could do for you, John? We well, there you go. We're gonna have to take a picture. You can we can pray for you. That's one way. If I may interrupt again. Go ahead, Joe. Please do.
[02:53:16] Unknown:
There's another book by Chuck Walters called Unforgiven. The American the American economic system sold for debt and war.
[02:53:34] Unknown:
Yeah. Very true. Is that your reached our dollar.
[02:53:44] Unknown:
And the just a minute. I'm gonna get you if you're interested, I'm gonna get you this. I wanna know whose rooster is.
[02:53:59] Unknown:
Murr, is that your rooster?
[02:54:00] Unknown:
That is Gary. That is Gary's rooster. That is your new Gary. Okay.
[02:54:08] Unknown:
I thought maybe Murr went and got her big old rooster.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
But, Roger, Roger Yes, sir. If you will talk bring us up to, Brent tomorrow.
[02:54:23] Unknown:
Wow.
[02:54:26] Unknown:
He he would love to talk about
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this. Oh, he'd he'd fly off in in a direction where I'd whole two hours would be gone.
[02:54:35] Unknown:
Because the fellow by the name of Carl Wilkin is the one that started all this, but, raw material and economics. And, but Chuck Walters was born in Ness County, Kansas in 1926.
[02:54:57] Unknown:
K.
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And, anyway
[02:55:03] Unknown:
Alright. I'm forgiven. Chuck Walters. Charles Walters. Charles Walters. There you go. You got you got more than your bargained for calling in today, John. Okay. Well, good. I'm glad. Yeah. Well, I was always good to hear your voice. Yeah. Larry I have the author, Joe, of those books is Charles Walters.
[02:55:29] Unknown:
Joe? Yes. Yes.
[02:55:32] Unknown:
Okay. Because I thought Roger that they you were saying molten. I wanna make sure I have the right I'm finding it.
[02:55:40] Unknown:
I'll tell you what I wanna do. I I don't know how to put anything in the chat, Lisa.
[02:55:45] Unknown:
I've put them in the chat. I've put them both in the chat from that Baker's bookstore.
[02:55:51] Unknown:
I'm gonna take a picture of both of them, and I'm gonna send them to you, and you can put them in the chat.
[02:55:59] Unknown:
Well, I have links to that USA Acres bookstore, and and the links to both of those books, I have already put in there. So that's not necessary, but thank you.
[02:56:11] Unknown:
Alright. Hey, Paul. Think we ought to extend the show to three hours? Just an idea. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Larry, you've been marginalized for fifteen minutes. Yeah. What you got?
[02:56:29] Unknown:
Yeah. I noticed that, but, it's alright. I was doing deliveries too. So, I'd like to get back to answering Samuel's question. So we all know that the national status information is is hit and miss with people, and it only resonates with certain people. And, we all know how that turned out with with this rents guy. We thought it was gonna be a hit with him, but we all know how that turned out. And so my suggestion is, you know, we we spent, like, an hour on the show talking about that, you know, this farmer, he, knows how to speak to people, and this information would would do well with him.
I would just suggest, Samuel, just send him a postcard. I mean, my my youngest kid gets postcards from from school. We look forward to seeing you, and I think that would, have a great influence on someone to get a postcard. I I can tell you, and you could just put on that postcard. Hey. Could you could you listen to Roger sales program?
[02:57:32] Unknown:
Or send them a a God's Trump card and a place to look for it. If the you know, it's funny, and we were told back in the nineties by one of our, house representative staff members there. They have in DC and an office in the district, and they said, listen. We get all kind of emails. We don't we don't pay attention to them. You can fax us. We really don't pay attention to them. You can write us a letter. You're probably gonna get a form response. But when somebody sends us a postcard handwritten, we pay attention to that because we know they took the effort to do it, and we figure at least 50 people in the district feel the same way. Postcards work as as you would not think they might. Put it that way. Roger. Exactly. So I when I got home from work yesterday,
[02:58:27] Unknown:
my youngest is is, is 16 with Down syndrome, and he immediately ran up to me with a postcard that he got from his teacher, and it said, we look forward to seeing you back at school. He goes to a a school, you know, for special needs. Yeah. And he just thought that was the greatest thing on this Earth. How cool. He was so proud of getting that postcard. So postcards work. Uh-huh. Roger? Yes, Robbie?
[02:58:53] Unknown:
I just wanted to let folks know that Polyface Farm, if if you're somewhat local, is a place you can actually visit, and you'll get a tour from the man himself. My daughter did that. We're in North Carolina, and she said it was a wonderful day, and they just loved him. Mhmm. So if anybody's close enough to get up there and visit him personally, they might be able to have an impact, maybe have lunch with him, or who knows what. Julie might wanna do a field trip.
[02:59:27] Unknown:
That went over stir sturlingly. Okay. Well, John, thanks for dropping by today. Whoever I have a feeling I know who poked you. Yeah. Yep. Thanks for having me, Roger. Oh, John, it's always a pleasure. Come on, man. I love to see the older folks come back. We've had that. Brian Howard showed up late recently, couple of times, who, somebody else was on there. Dwayne. Dwayne may be with us out of New Orleans. Hadn't been there in a while, and it's great to see the folks that are out in the world come back because, you know, the only time I think I'm gonna see you generally is if you have a problem. And the fact that we never see most of you means there's no problem. So that's fantastic.
So, anyway, Paul is off. He's got Paul English show this afternoon. Oh, good lord. I forgot all about that.
[03:00:22] Unknown:
Oh, I had to remind you.
[03:00:24] Unknown:
So we're not gonna do my magic jack today. Don't worry. You got plenty on your plate. We'll maybe look at it tomorrow over the weekend. Okay?
[03:00:32] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm also adding another computer to my network. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a dedicated magic jack and just hook it up to the back channels that I use to interconnect the computers. That way, I'll be able to bring a phone call on the air.
[03:00:47] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Cool. So well, we continue to make progress. John, good to hear your voice. I'm gonna take off. And, it's a stunning, stunning
[03:00:57] Unknown:
summer type day. You don't have a great day.
[03:01:00] Unknown:
Pardon me? Not very big.
[03:01:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you, John.
[03:01:05] Unknown:
Yep. And everybody that contributed. And, if y'all wanna send, our farmer guy emails, please follow-up on it. Maybe we'll have some success. You never know where the arrow's gonna land. Well, I William the Conker. You just never know.
[03:01:21] Unknown:
I sent him a book, but I asked but I asked him to excuse the drink from a fire hose.
[03:01:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So So, I'm a go have me a nice steak and eggs lunch, and I will see you fine folks tomorrow with mister Winters. And, as always, it'll be a good show because you can't do a bad show with Brent Winters. I've learned that over years. That's okay. So, I love each and every one of you, and I'll look forward to, chatting with you tomorrow. And hope you got something out of all this stuff today. Boy, poor Todd and his his ladies that are here. You guys have got to be getting overwhelmed. And I'm tickled to death to do it, and I know you're receptive. So we'll look for you tomorrow with Brent. Ciao ciao, guys, girls.
Take care very much. Alright. See you, Paul.
[03:02:14] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I don't I don't know if I really had all the facts right, but I but I think I still think what I wrote to Joel was, pretty, applicable. I said, dear Joel, please excuse the drink from a fire hose. What happened to you was due to a number of factors. First, under the Trading with the Enemy Act, fourteenth amendment US citizens are considered enemies of the state. The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that law enforcement can engage in disinformation in the course of an investigation. That's how agents were legally able to lie to entrap you. Those who operate lawfully, though not always legally, have to be lucky 100% of the time.
Law enforcement only has to be lucky once. Now don't let me lose you by thinking that I'm saying you were operating illegally before I explain the difference between legal and lawful because there is indeed a difference. Legal is man made law written to harvest, control, or intimidate the public. Lawful is God's law where you always wanna be. They have probably been trying to pierce your PMA for some time, and we're just waiting for a trusting soul to sell to them. Going forward, I see you have a couple of action items. Number one, kiss the Fed's butt to get your current problem to go away.
Number two, using the word stop using the word sovereign. Number three, issue an absolutely no tolerance policy where no member is able to do business with you without proof of membership even if they have to rejoin every time they purchase. After that sales, his information on how the republic was overturned and converted to a corporatocracy and how you can return to God's law and be recognized by the federal government as a national and nonresident alien. All US citizens are nationals, but the law of the city applicable only to US citizens overlays and supersedes citizens' access to the bill of rights, equal protections under the law, and recognition as God's property and not a servant of man.
Dropping citizenship and retaining national status is easy and can be done with a single sentence. Sorry for the book. I will leave my contact information, the Radio Ranch websites, and my personal phone number. We need you to continue fighting for food freedom, safety, and purity, so we are here to help you. The first website is the matrixstocks.com. Second website, nationalstatus.com. My email is [email protected], and my cell number is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Thank you, Paul Beaner. Whatever.
[03:05:05] Unknown:
So that word is pronounced applicable, not applicable. Applicable.
[03:05:11] Unknown:
Accents on the first syllable. You can mute yourself right now. Like, you you can my gosh. I have not missed in hearing that
[03:05:19] Unknown:
voice at all. You can mute yourself right now and leave. You're not welcome here. Go away, and don't come back. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.
[03:05:32] Unknown:
Well, sir, may I ask Paul, who was who who who was that?
[03:05:36] Unknown:
Oh, that was Ferris.
[03:05:40] Unknown:
Okay. I'm just curious. Alright.
[03:05:42] Unknown:
Yeah. That was Ferris.
[03:05:46] Unknown:
And there's still an anonymous that's unmuted. Lisa that you've heard me inter you've heard me, I'm a call it interrupt, quite a few times. I I'm sorry I have a way of doing that, but I try always to be very short and concise. And I'm and I've been a I've been a little bit rude with a couple people today.
[03:06:05] Unknown:
I thought it was Ferris Bueller's day off.
[03:06:09] Unknown:
No. It never is.
[03:06:11] Unknown:
Motherfucker.
[03:06:12] Unknown:
I hey. Hey. Hey. We're still streaming. Chill out. I see. Let's just oh, okay. So we have been streaming
[03:06:29] Unknown:
for
[03:06:33] Unknown:
see, I have to make a note, so I can go in and edit that out at the three hour and six minute mark on a day that I have no time to edit archives because I'm I'm going straight from this show to Paul English. Come on, people. We we have we have multiple people here that that don't wanna hear that stuff. So check the f bombs at the door, please. Dave,
[03:07:01] Unknown:
all you're doing is yourself to Paris's stature when you do that.
[03:07:07] Unknown:
I didn't do that. Consider that's very disconcerting.
[03:07:10] Unknown:
Who was it? Who was it?
[03:07:12] Unknown:
I didn't do that. That wasn't me, Joe. You check your mouth, buddy.
[03:07:17] Unknown:
If it wasn't Dave, it's me. Yeah. I will.
[03:07:21] Unknown:
If it wasn't Dave, it would work. Problem, dude. I never did nothing to you. You get off my back, Jack.
[03:07:30] Unknown:
Okay.
Introduction and Technical Issues
The Chosen People and God's Work
Joel Salatin and Lunatic Farming
Contacting Joel Salatin
Government Agents and Legal Traps
The Importance of Education and Understanding
The Role of Farmers and Food Regulation
National Status and Legal Strategies
Understanding the Monetary System
The Fraudulent Loan System
Challenges in the Farming Industry
Historical Context of Farming Policies
Closing Remarks and Future Plans
