In this episode of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles, the discussion centers around the intricacies of national status, the implications of the 14th Amendment, and the historical context of jurisdiction in the United States. Roger and his guests delve into the complexities of the legal system, exploring the differences between de facto and de jure governance, and the impact of historical court cases like Downes v. Bidwell. The conversation also touches on the role of AI in legal research and the importance of understanding the legal framework to protect personal and business assets.
The episode also covers current events, including the political climate surrounding protests and the involvement of the National Guard. The hosts discuss the influence of figures like Elon Musk and Sasha Stone, and the potential implications of their actions on society. The conversation is peppered with insights into the challenges of living under a system influenced by both historical and modern legal interpretations, and the ongoing struggle for personal freedom and sovereignty.
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Clutch Thank you, Alvin. As would we, we'll take another swing at it here today on the Wednesday edition of June, six one one two five. Here at the Radio Ranch, Roger Sales, your host. Glad you're along with us this morning. And, the thing we like to do is to reidentify and recognize the folks that help us. And to do that, Paul is the one that can keep up with all of them and knows who they are and what day they're with us. That's Quite an accomplishment in itself in our patchwork schedule, but Paul will, if you will, Paul,
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come out and sir sir Paul, if you'll come out and, please identify these folks. It's really not that difficult. All I've gotta do is look at one screen, and I can see who's connected and who isn't. So but thank you anyway, Raj.
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Appreciate it. It sounds so difficult.
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Well, we're we have a light complement of, streams with us today. Of course, we have the old standby, the anchor stream, eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We have Global Voice Radio Network that is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. That'll take you to the Global Voice home on Podholme, where all the archives are as well, coincidentally. And we're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to Paul, our buddy across the drink. Tomorrow, Paul English live 3PM eastern on radiosoapbox.com, and a host of other platforms. Go to paulenglishlive.com, and, you'll see all the links right there or on Rumble, on YouTube, w b n three two four. They're all over the place. Our website is thematrixdocs.com, and, there you will find links to free conference call so you can join us live on the show joined by landline, smartphone, tablets, flip phone, computer, whatever.
A plethora of ways for you to get in here to the program. Thank you, Raj. Good morning.
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Yeah. Yeah. Morning, Paul. I hope, our other Paul is mad with me for, the Internet going down last week. And Not at all. Certainly well, I haven't reached out to him. I figured he understood that. But if you would please relay my condolences to him for being, in a area that some dumbass ran into a telephone pole or something. Who knows? That's what I'm thinking. Bye bye. Please. The way they drive in Ecuador, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often quite quite frankly. Anyway, so, please reload the those regards to him, and I'm looking forward when we can reschedule that because, you know, I just really like talking to Paul. He's a good guy, as you know, and the audience knows. Well, they may not know except from where they see him here, but, if, you've had any interaction with Paul,
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you know what a good guy he is. Yeah. Well, running into phone poles is kind of like the nature of the beast when you live in a mountainous area because it's not like they're going to Can be. Use dynamite to dig out the rock to bury the lions. They're gonna go on poles.
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I'm a tell you what happens around here is if you get in an accident or ran into that telephone pole and caused a bunch of damage or something Yeah. They throw your ass in jail until the property damage is taken care of. Wow. They they don't mess around, you know, and and the people that have accidents run off. They run off. No. No. Not not my car. They're not my car. It's this is stolen. It's stolen. Stolen. As in there's nacho cheese. Yeah. And, so anyway, that's what is what happens down here. I'm told. I haven't been involved in that. Thank goodness. Yeah. Because I don't drive anymore. One of the advantages of an old fart like me living here is the, the pretty damn deficient transportation system. They've got a bus system that is, on dependable and on time, man. They run every couple minutes, and, they run from I don't even know what time in the morning, probably early until ten at night. And I can go anywhere on the bus system from one stop to the next stop for 17¢.
Yeah. 17¢. I mean, ridiculous. Right? And then cabs and Ubers are pretty cheap too. So I don't after my accident down there in Argentina, I don't wanna drive again, and my eyes have gone south on me a little bit, and that's another reason not to. But, anyway, so it makes it very convenient. One of our guys lived, from outside of Georgia, lived down on Locust Grove, I think, South Of Atlanta and outside of town about five miles. And he was, taking an Uber. He can't see either. And, he's taken an Uber to the grocery store and back in it was, like, $15 from about five miles, something really expensive. Well, we don't have anything like that down here. Hey, Rod. So, anyway, it's a advantage of living here, especially for me. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Good. Find one.
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If you can find one. You can get on a bus in Ecuador for 17¢. If you can find a payphone in The US, you cannot call where you're going for less than 10 times that. I'm I'm just Is that right? Yeah. Oh, because pay if you can find a pay phone up here, I'm sorry. A pay phone. No. They've taken them all out. And and if you can't find one if you can't find one, you need a credit card, And it's not just a quarter. Oh, god. Oh, no. I haven't
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seen any pay phones down here now that I think about it. There may be. I just haven't seen them. Of course, everybody's got hell, even the toddlers in a damn, carriage have got a cell phone, you know, which is which the parents ought to be absolutely beat for. Yeah. I swear if I had a child, I wouldn't let I wouldn't let it have a cell phone till they were, like, 16 years old or something, maybe even later.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let let that's a real good idea. Let's let's bake adolescent brains with four g and five g. It's
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just the most unbelievable thing. You know? And so, I'm I'm grateful kind of that my eyes have gotten the point they have, and I've got these fat fingers, so I can't use that thing. All I ever use it for is occasionally, I'll make a call usually, on WhatsApp, and, I'll answer calls. And it doesn't ring too often, so that's good. But I guess everybody's kinda gotta have one now. Who was it recently that doesn't have a cell phone? Oh, I know. E Michael Jones. I was listening to some more E Michael Jones. I like his, Jew perspective. He's got a lot of Jew knowledge, this guy does. And he was talking about how he doesn't have one of those.
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One of those. Lisa doesn't have one. Alisa, good for you, Lisa. Her husband does, but she doesn't.
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Good for her. And I just don't like them. I think the world was better when people talk to each other and, you know, hell, I'll get on the bus and the bus is crowded and you let everybody on the damn damn bus is looking at their damn cell phone. Nobody's talking to anybody. It you know, it's just it's I think they've been there are some positive things they do. I'll have to, say that and and agree with that. But, oh, and the negative things, I think, are overwhelming. But my opinion, you can have yours. I know. I was talking about it one day. One of our gals goes, I love cell phones. Speaking of, have we missed Joan? We haven't heard Joan's little little voice from Costa Rica, and I know she's probably headed back to South Carolina for the summer as she's apt to do.
And, but we haven't heard from her in a while, my point. And the people drift here. They come in. They hang. They leave. We saw Brian Howard yesterday who we hadn't seen in long time. Mhmm. Yeah. And I wanna talk a little bit about that. It was good to hear from him and talk to him though after all these years. I'm I'm glad to see, it's funny how the maturation process, affects people. And, it's taken a little of the piss and vinegar out of Brian, I have to admit. And it's it was good to see him not be he was really, like, very headstrong and very, bull in a China cabinet ish.
And, some of that's gone. So that's good. I'm glad to see him grow up a bit. I guess two teenage daughters will do that for you. Right? Especially these days. Can you imagine having two teenage daughters these days with those cell phones and all this crap that's going on everywhere?
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They will certainly give you gray hair.
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Woah. They better be lucky they got a conservative daddy. So anyway so let's see. Where can we go? Is there a riots in your cities? They've started out all over they're gonna be all over the country. They've already started in a number of them evidently. They're having there were big looting and stuff in LA. They've even called out the the the authorities, Gavin Gavin Slavin and, the Bass, the commie ass. They've already called out, police to try and put a curfew and all, put a quell to all that. While they're saying and this is I was just watching Harrison go this. So they come out and tell you that the it's Trump's fault for calling out the National Guard because there is no violence. Right? Then the violence starts, and they've gotta call out their own cops to come in and quell the violence that they said the National Guard, caused their because and there wasn't any there the time. Well, of course, there was. And and they're they're running around, spinning around, chasing their tail, changing their story. There was a story that there's two of them. Gavin Newsom said, well, they called out the the thing because it was a a raid on Home Depot with a migrant workers out front. And and then there's a story that says, well, that was just a rumor. There wasn't that, but Gavin was saying there wasn't. It's just a big mess out there, and it's gonna continue to be so as we go forward. And, it will be an eventful weekend this weekend, folks. I don't know where you live, but if you live close to or in a city of any size, the chances are very good. It appears that you'll have a riot, so stay home. K?
So that's, that's going on. I wanted to also say there's some things about Brian and his findings that I disagree with. He mentioned them yesterday. He mentioned them to me in our previous conversation, the all caps letters and and, some, you know, tied to the birth certificate, and that's in commerce. Well, it's partially correct, but it doesn't hey. They're good. There's all caps right there. Good. I was kinda hoping you were here yesterday, Mark. But, anyway, so Brian says he got this thing resolved, and he's got it all figured out. And so I had a question, Mark, and it was good you're here because I'm gonna ask you. If I filled out an affidavit and it says, I, Roger s sales or stoke sales, and I put my name in capital letters there in my affidavit, does that mean I can't be free?
Are you sure? Are you positive?
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Well,
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And, Bart, did you tell him to bracket the ZIP code?
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Okay.
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Yes. Yeah. Oh, that's the Groom. That's the Sodomy Pedophile Larceny Center. Just a small correction.
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Well
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do you I got a guy down here, one of our expat guys. Nice guy, Dan. He's kinda quiet. And, his brother has been for many years, I guess, a a a contractor with the post office. And they'll go he'll he'll go in either, like, we need a new post office here, and he'll draw the plans and get all the machines and do everything, turnkey operation for the feds. Or if it's an older one, the example he gave me was, you know, when they run it under the laser thing, beep. Well, you you used to, you could just run the label under the laser thing. And now he had to go back and reinstall some software where it go that laser beam wraps around the whole package, and it'll pick up the the little code wherever it is.
He made get this, man. Are you sitting down? I think you are. Right? He made 70,000 $70,000,000 last year. He's I'm sure he did, man. I he make it that kinda mate, he's got houses in Hawaii that overlook, you know, where the where the whales mate and all that stuff, and he's got houses everywhere. And, anyway, interesting. I thought 70 mil a year. Woah. That's pretty good. He he he does everything with post offices from the federal government. He's got the contract to build, redo equipment, load software that the old software replaces old software, all that stuff. And he does, quite well.
So, anyway I have a good question. Yes. Please.
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Okay. This borders on patriot mythology. Mm-mm. But it makes sense. They all new? Is it right. But but it makes sense. When in the seventies did the state abbreviations change from m I n n to m n in all caps? When? Yeah. Now if you are identifying your residence using a, using a location that points to a creation of a subdivision of the federal government, then you are claiming every time you write your address that you are a resident of a federal territory. Paul, please come back in. You're out on the edge of the limb. Come on back. But that's as far that's as far out on the edge as I'm gonna get. Now the all caps name thing, your name in all capital letters does not convey jurisdiction.
What conveys jurisdiction is when they ask you, Roger Stokes sales, are you here? And you say, yes. They're asking, if all caps, Roger Stokes sales is present. And when you say yes, you, by your own admission and by your own permission, have attached yourself to the entity they already have control over. That's the deal. It's not the fact that your name in all capital letters conveys jurisdiction on you. It's you saying, yeah. I'm him. That conveys jurisdiction on you. Don't do that. There's the hook. That's that's Yep.
Driver's license.
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Well,
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no.
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Okay, Paul. Again, I'm gonna go back to my question. If you wrote your affidavit out but put your name in all caps, would they write you back and say no that your name's in all caps? You you're a slave. Would they do that? Okay. Then the then the all caps letters have nothing to do with it. So, anyway, if some people I you know, see, that one is really tricky because it seems like there's some validity there, and you just wanna keep chasing it. And the more you chase it and understand it, the the more you understand it doesn't apply, at least to me and Mark and others.
So if you think it if you wanna try the experiment, do do an affidavit. Write your name in all caps and send it in and submit it, and see if they write back, say, no. You can't be free because you wrote your name in all caps on the affidavit. It does not do the deed. The deed is done when the end of your foot, if you're not a breech baby, comes out of your mama's birth canal and you're officially, quote, unquote, born. Then the deed is there. And and see, Brian thinks the birth certificate he's asked for some time. He thinks the birth certificate causes the condition. The birth certificate does not cause a it's not causation.
Causation does not mean correlation. Okay? And they it it it is, it's just the manifestation of your condition at birth as surety, just like Colonel House says in his letter to to Woodrow Wilson. K? And then as you go through life and get to the age of majority, then they start asking you are the two questions, and you start saying yes because you don't know any better, and you're young and ignorant, and you give them jurisdiction. They've got it as you because they've got it over your parents until you reach the age of majority. But once you reach the age of majority, then it's on your back. They ask you the questions, and you, not knowing any better, answer yes and say yes. I'm your good little slave. And question, yes. I give you consent to govern me in that capacity.
That's where the rubber meets the road right there to me. K? If anybody can prove anything in this all caps stuff, it's been a contentious issue in our community for the whole time I've been in here, thirty something years. Nobody's ever brought path truth, and he brought out truth to my knowledge that would confirm that. And, again, I would challenge you, Dave. Dave, resubmit your affidavit and put your name in all caps and see if they refuse it. How are you doing, Dave? Heard that. I heard that at lunch yesterday. It made me How about Okay. What about the end? Right. Right.
Okay. Here. Oh, okay. Alright. Okay. Okay. If you put that address on your mail and it comes to you, does that give them jurisdiction, Dave? No. It does not.
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Okay.
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Okay. Alright. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, don't forget. I used to work for
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yeah, right.
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Okay.
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Okay. Fantastic. You can also do not even have the box and just do general delivery. Dave and the thumb at whatever the hell post office is up there. And you yes. Correct. Correct. Yes. That's pageant. Yep. That's pageant stuff. Yep. We know about all that. Okay. Well, I a pageant does that. I saw that you decades ago. I know it's true. I'm just saying, there's nothing that causes the jurisdictional nexus except your feet popping out of mama's birth canal. All persons born. There it is. K? That's the jurisdiction. That's the answer that we've got that everybody's been looking for the whole time I've been in this movement for over thirty years. Okay? They're looking for that right there. What causes that condition?
Why is that unelected bureaucrat over there able to take existing legislation, turn it, twist it, and spit it out like a pretzel, and apply it to me. Attach it and apply it to me. How does that happen? Only through the process of being born. Alright, Merca. Hold on. Only through the process of being born. That's it, Dave. It's not somebody sending you something with your ZIP code bracketed or whatever all this wacko stuff is. The answer is it comes right out of mama's womb. You're born The surety aspect and the futile aspect attached. And later on, when you agree with their questions because of your functional illiteracy, they've got your agreement.
K? That's the process. Disprove it. Because what Brian see what Brian brought us years ago, one of the things was the Austin City Hospital, where his two daughters were born in the process of issuing that birth certificate. Well, when they issue it, they go and put it in an armed safe, alarm guards. Why? Because it's got value, because it represents you as a warehouse receipt, and they collateralize that. That's what's going on here. To the best of my beliefs, I would never teach you something that I don't believe. And that's proven out to be true, at least in my experience. Merica.
I don't I don't think I agree with you, but go ahead. Give give me give me some examples because I don't agree with you at this point. For what? Use what? Well, that that oh, okay. Well, if you've if you've noticed the IRS with your affidavit filing, why the hell do you have to do that? I know. That's my question. Oh, please. Yep. Okay. Okay. If you wanna do that, that's fine. It don't if you don't do that, does it affect your affidavit filing in your status? No. Okay. Well, there's your answer. Okay. If it makes you feel better, if if it makes you Okay.
Alright. Well, this But she always does that 2¢ thing. You know? And I know it works. And well,
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Really?
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Ball. Alert alert. Technical alert. Okay. He's off. He's off scurrying.
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So I thought he had it fixed, but, I don't know. He he's working on it. Well, we'll see. We'll see.
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Okay. Audience, you wanna give us the read on what we're get hold on. Let's get Paul, see if he's got this straightened out before we go further, America. Paul, have you, narrowed this down?
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Oh, hell. No wonder he did. I have. Yeah. I have straightened it out, and damn it. I hate it when I do that.
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Oh. I'll tell you, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to take some deductions out of that big
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check we send you. Okay. Well, there's 15 buttons there's 15 buttons that I have to hit at the beginning of the show. And, like, when there's when there's discussions and stuff like that that Yeah. That go all the way up to the beginning of the show and into the into Alvin Lee, sometimes I forget to click five of the buttons. I only click 10 of them. So, FCC have
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Honestly have to in we're gonna have to go to the committee and see about a pay reduction. Yeah. Mark. Yeah. I think so. Where's that Lula Bell? Is that Lula Belle in the background out here there?
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No. That's not the she's sleeping right now. So, no, it's not her. Okay.
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So, yes, it doesn't exist. I think
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oh, go ahead. I think Samuel's got something. Go ahead, Myrka.
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Okay. Yeah. And, I've talked to Patrick about it plenty of times, and, Joe even talks about it. He he you know, you have to educate yourself and verify the information for yourself. If you're not sure about it and you're making, you know, comments about it that it doesn't that it's not true, that it's not doesn't work, then that means that people need to educate themselves. And, you know, I appreciate what you've shared with us. So, I I dug into it more. You know? I believed, like, no. You don't have to use it. And, yes, you do not. You have to use it, not according to your status. But when it comes to using it, you know, in because a lot of everything that we are in right now that we are working in this system right now and trying to remove ourselves, it's all they are all following federal regulations.
So they are imposing the federal on us, and we need to know how to navigate in
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it as the private make sure you sleep better at night. You go do it however you want to. But my statement is nothing we've talked about has any altercation or in or influence on you being free by issuing that affidavit. Everything else is superfluous. I agree with you. Superfluous. Totally. Was that you, Samuel, trying to say something? Are they riding up in Placerville yet?
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This is Dave. I called out at the tail end of the show yesterday.
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Oh, hey, Dave. Yeah. I remember, man. We got Mark on here with you. So today too. Mark, this is Dave. He was new yesterday, right, the tail end of the show. I asked him to call back in today if he could because I thought you might be with us. You're usually here Wednesday and Saturday. So, Mark, this is our paralegal here, Dave. So once you restate your stuff from yesterday, we'll just start with a clean slate. Okay?
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Can can I say something real quick?
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Yeah. I'll just just wanted to say.
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Sure. Sure up what what, Merca said about them imposing federal law on us. I totally agree with that that they're doing it. I mean, I'm I've been looking at, county records or excuse me. County, quote, regulations as far as, like, if you wanna build a structure on your own land. And now all the counties, it appears to me, are imposing international building codes.
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Yes. Probably.
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Used to, you can that was not a problem. If you owned a piece of land in certain states, they didn't care as long as it wasn't in the city limits. The city had restrictions of building codes and so But if you lived in a county, again this is not every state, but there were most some states had counties. If you lived in the county rural area, you could build whatever structure you wanted to build. You know, it's your private property. You could build a structure. Well, now, I'm seeing that they're in, you know, not only just a federal level, in international building code, they're imposing it in every county.
And so what Mark is saying is so absolutely right about the states and the counties and the cities are imposing this foreign law in in our in our, in our jurisdiction. It's a proper way of saying it. It's coming out under that. Agree with Merck on that. Okay. It's coming out under that UN
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that UN 2030
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plan. They're organizing an institute and all that shit. Yeah. But they've been rolling that out for the last twenty years. Alright. They it's just been a it's a it's been a slow creep, but now it's an exponential spread.
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Well, they're Yeah. They're having to speed everything up because they're getting exposed.
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Yeah. This is where the fight is. When you talk about jurisdiction and them imposing a foreign law over you, this is where the fight's at. This is where declaratory judgment, a petition for declaratory judgment goes into the court system and says, do they have a right to impose foreign law on us by bureaucrats that we never elected?
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Right.
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So, anyway, I yield.
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Thank you, Mark. Okay. Let's let's go to Dave here. Dave's the new guy.
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Alright. Right. I'm Dave. I, I live in Kansas. I just recently registered a repair I mean, automotive repair business out of my home as an LLC. Okay. I am the only only employee. I would just learn about the whole, revoke you know, revoking my election process. And so I'm gonna go through with that, and I am just unaware of if there's anything else I have to cover my tracks with here since I'm in business now. If I was working for an employer, I know that's a whole lot different.
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Sure. Now, David, let me ask you this. When you said revocation of election, was that for you or was that for the business?
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That was for me.
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Okay. In in your LLC, have you registered it as a subchapter for s with the IRS? Has your LLC ever filed a tax return?
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No. It was just a couple of months ago. I just started this whole thing, and I I'm more aware of the the the revocation
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process. And so, yeah, I'm I'm fresh into it. Okay. Well, there is a form by the IRS where how you register your LLC and how they see it.
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Mhmm. And,
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if you hadn't filled that out, usually usually it's a bookkeeper or CPA will just say, oh, you got an LLC? Well, you need to be a subchapter s, and they fill out a form, have you sign it, send it in. I don't know what the number is off the top of my head. I haven't finished my cup of coffee yet. But as long as you haven't done that and and, you know, registered it as a subchapter s with IRS, then you're okay. That means everything's flowing through to you. You're actually the entity behind the LLC that's receiving the funds.
So Alright. It sounds like you're in good shape. Now I don't know if you have my email address. If but if you'll email the [email protected], I'll send you that form if you wanna see it. You may or may not wanna send it in since you haven't you haven't done anything with the IRS. And here's what I've I've seen is as soon as you file the tax form, whether it be in a business name or in your personal name, you've you've, elected to participate in their taxing system. Yeah. So your revocation of election on the personal side is you saying, hey. I'm I'm unvolunteering from this this process, and especially as a national.
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And I have to do that on as myself and the business?
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No. What I'm saying is since the business has not registered as a subchapter s with the IRS and you haven't filed a tax form on behalf of the LLC, then I don't think you need to do anything. You just all the money flows to you. Now did you create it? Doing what I'm doing. Right. Did you create a EIN number for the, for the LLC?
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Yeah. I had to to set up all my accounts to get, like, parts delivered and tires and all that. To be on the safe side, I would probably,
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fill out this registration form that I'm telling you about. And and you're basically telling the IRS, hey. The the you know, I'm the sole proprietor of this LLC in all ink, you know, all funds. I hate to say income, but all funds Yeah. Flow to you. And then if you're registering as a as a, national, and and revoking your personal election to pay taxes, then that should be a done deal.
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Mark? Keep you keep you keep that simple completely. Does it apply to the LLC that he can't be an officer, or is that to the subchapter s if he registered there? That that's the subchapter s. Okay. Yeah. Okay. One of them, Dave, if you're if you did have a subchapter s, you can't be a nonresident alien and be an officer of it. It's one of their rules. So you haven't done that yet? Good on you. Glad you called in early. We're able to nip some of this and and not have to go back and, undo it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Now Yeah. I'm glad that Now the other thing, Mark,
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that I was thinking of you in relation to what Dave said yesterday is he's got the whole thing running out of a house, in this LLC. Could he move that over? Would it be better structured to have it in a trust form?
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No. No. I would. Because, well, it really depends. Because if the business is inside of a trust and it's and it's making funds, it typically would create a a taxable event for the LLC. But since all the funds are coming to him directly, you know, but I I don't know if there's any You're
[00:41:57] Unknown:
breaking up there for a Did you say The way you put it as trust or not?
[00:42:03] Unknown:
I don't know that it would be an advantage
[00:42:06] Unknown:
to you. Yeah. So That was all another question I had in my head was, you know, researching trust and, you know, if that was gonna be a a better route to get over. What is the advantages
[00:42:17] Unknown:
is putting all the property, all your personal property into a trust. You put your cars in a separate trust. We're just about to go over this on our trust classes as as well. I give out a I give out a, very simple two page trust to our students to put all their automobiles, motorcycles, RVs, things that you're out there in the public, that creates a liability, we put it over in a separate trust. And here's the reason being is, when I I worked for a personal injury law firm in Las Vegas on a six month project, and we had a client come in and they got hit by a yellow taxi.
And as soon as the intake was done, the attorney come around, and he was telling everybody's working on this case, including myself, that we can only get 300,000. I'm like, why are you saying it's limited to 300,000? He said, because the yellow taxi company in Las Vegas puts every taxi every taxi in its own separate trust. And if that taxi is involved in an accident, they can't go after the company and the insurance maximum for that trust and that that particular car is 300,000.
[00:43:41] Unknown:
Wow.
[00:43:42] Unknown:
So you think of that the same way in in regards to you. Public that could be creative financial liability for you, you want that thing in its own separate trust. Now here's What type of trust would that be called? It's just it's just a, it's a private trust. I just called a vehicle trust. It's just a very simple, you can make it revocable, but that's not I don't like to do revocables because they can be busted if if they're, you know, if they wanna go after you really hard. A revocable trust can be challenged as far as its legitimacy. That's why I like an irrevocable trust.
That that really gives you much stronger protection. But it's just a separate standard trust. It's nothing nothing major. It allows you to transfer the vehicle in and out of the trust as needed. So, you know, if, if you wanna sell the car, you could sell the car and put another car in its place. So it's all how you word your trust. Now but here's the more more important part, is that you have your personal property, like your real estate and furniture and appliances and artwork and heirlooms and all that stuff needs to be in a in a a private trust, a family private trust.
And and then on your business, and I mean, if you got any kind of public business, you're you're, you know, it's not private. You're out here and you got the public who's coming doing business with you. If your business gets sued, you might have all your private property protected in a trust or multiple trust with your automobiles and so But your business property is at risk. So what you do there is you take all your equipment and you have that owned by a holding company, and then your LLC is basically leasing all of that that property or all the equipment that you're using to run your business with. So now if you get sued, and remember, anybody can get sued at any time for anything.
But whether they can make it stick is another story. But let's say they do sue you and they make it stick and you can't get it dismissed and and you're tied up in court. If you got all your personal properties in a trust and you've got all your business equipment being owned and held by a separate holding company, your LLC doesn't own anything and you don't own anything. Even if you lose at this point, then there's nothing for them to go get. This is how the wealthy people do this. They've got this all set up. And, fortunately, with today's technology, this doesn't have to be a a difficult thing to do.
So
[00:46:53] Unknown:
that Mark, can I throw a question?
[00:46:56] Unknown:
Just a This way, if you do lose a court case, now you're in the driver's seat of how you wanna settle it if you wanna settle it all. You know, in a if you settle it on your turn own terms, you can, you know, work up a agreement to settle it however you want to. Usually, it's by money of a certain amount that you both agree on. Or in a worst case scenario, you can just say, you know what? I'm not gonna pay it, and I'll just go file bankruptcy. You can just pull the rip cord. LLC can file bankruptcy. You can file bankruptcy, and there's nothing they can do about it.
[00:47:37] Unknown:
Mark, what about if he, if he, set up a PMA as another barrier and everybody that would be his customers would pay a dollar to join the PMA. Is that viable?
[00:47:48] Unknown:
Absolutely. I'm glad you brought that up. Absolutely. You could do that. I mean, we're we got our trust inside of a private membership association, a PMA. And so that, that allows us to to be able to conduct business privately. Excuse me. So, yeah, you could do that. You absolutely could do that. There are tremendous advantages. It stays private at that point. It wouldn't be any different than a a buddy bringing their car over and you working on it. Yeah. And you have a private agreement, you you don't if something goes wrong, you're not expecting your buddy to sue you. And in your private membership association, you can put that as a clause that, you know, we're not gonna sue each other. Mhmm. You might have to, include a way to to figure out any dispute with that that individual, but you could you could have them agree to be part of a private membership association.
[00:48:47] Unknown:
So just throwing ideas at you, Dave. Paul, what did you have to add here?
[00:48:51] Unknown:
Quick question. Oh. Or, actually, it's it's just a quick comment. The the one dot that Mark hadn't connected yet, I might as well do it, is if you have your LLC, and if you have your personal stuff, your family stuff, and a family trust, and they have the, LLC in a trust. And the holding company owns everything. If you declare bankruptcy and the LLC declares bankruptcy, guess what? The holding company still has all the assets that you used for your business. You can just simply open up another one and lease it Yep. From your holding company again. There's all kinds of little shifty ways,
[00:49:45] Unknown:
to deal with this stuff, Dave, and I think you you're fortunate you stumbled into a good information source. I'll give you that.
[00:49:56] Unknown:
Yeah. This is a lot of, that opens up a lot of doors for me. That's for sure.
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Good.
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And I I don't call it shifty, and I think I think Samuel really brought up a a good point, and I do agree with him, that we shouldn't need trust, and we shouldn't need this type of protection, you know, if we're honorable. And and I agree with that except for one problem. Other people are not honorable. Yep. Matter of fact, the Bible will tell you that most people are are just the opposite. They're they're born into sin, and and their general nature, unless they control it, is is to be evil and to figure out a way to take advantage of other people and make money off of them and everything else ugly. So if we lived in a in a perfect world where, you know, everybody was honorable and they followed the bible and and even some of the other religions, have some big things to talk about, you know, treating each other right, We wouldn't have to do this, but that's not the case. We got conniving individuals out there that if they see an opening to take advantage of somebody and make some money off of you, they'll do it.
They will do it.
[00:51:10] Unknown:
Yep.
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So I don't I don't call them shifty ways. I call them, very wise ways to protect ourselves.
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Yep.
[00:51:20] Unknown:
And and that the people were just basically maintaining those cars. Now they didn't come out and just say it that way, but they definitely stated that Michigan owned those automobiles if that they were registered in Michigan.
[00:51:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Was it an admission then? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:51:43] Unknown:
So, you know, it's a really good question about the the registration of the cars because it seems like you're handing over that ownership to the state when you get that car registered. Now if you get a bill of sale in one state and bringing that automobile into a different state and never register it, might be a different story. But I'm just telling you, you you don't really wanna go down this avenue of of not having a a license on your car, driving around without a driver's license. And unless that's your fight, man, if if God called you to fight that fight, then more power to you. You have my my support.
But for the average person, not interested in doing that.
[00:52:35] Unknown:
I I get it. I agree. Thank you, sir. You're welcome, Sheldon.
[00:52:39] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I guess we're near the top of the hour. I heard the whistler. We're gonna we're gonna bid adieu to Chicago. We're in Chicago today. Right, Paul?
[00:52:51] Unknown:
No. Actually, we're not. I'm I'm bringing systems back online. I think Roger has joined us again. I had, Internet outage, and it took out everything. So that's what happened. Apparently, the stream is back up. It was able to reconnect. I have not been able to reconnect to the remote computer yet, but I'm still working on that. So, Rog, you there? Alright. No problem. Roger? Hello, Roger? Yeah. I think you're muted. Okay. Alright. I gotta I gotta run to the other side of the the other side of the house to check and see what's going on with Roger.
[00:53:38] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you. All right. Well, let's carry on then. Any other maybe potential new listeners, that have a question about the national status or something along that area, I'd like to open up the phone. It's just us chickens here. So you're among friends and don't feel afraid to come online here and ask us a question or or even a comment if you've been studying this and maybe you've had an epiphany of about the national status. I know for me, it was the feudal system. And in our in the earlier discussion with Roger and Dave, you know, it's the feudal system.
That might be my new quote, Roger. It's the feudal system, stupid. Instead of it's the economy, stupid, it'll be it's the feudal system, stupid. But that is their angle for their jurisdiction is is that you've unknowingly agreed to be in that feudal system. That's a whole part of being a national is stepping out of that system. So that's kinda where I come from. That was my big epiphany when I was fairly new and listening to Roger and he talked about the feudal system and I threw my hands up and said, that's it. That is absolutely it.
And what was so empowering about that, I mean, I I stood up out of my chair and did a little happy dance because for me, that was the missing piece of the puzzle was when Roger talked about the feudal system, and it's voluntary. And check this out. If they say you can't be a national, they're violating the amendment against involuntary servitude. And whenever we have a government aids agency push back on whether we're a national or a US citizen, I throw that right in their face and they and they capitulate. They they back off and they give us what we want. And that's happened more than once.
[00:55:53] Unknown:
Okay. I, I was able to unmute Roger. Roger, you there?
[00:55:59] Unknown:
I'm here. I just saw that you, attached me there. So I'm here. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Well, I don't know. Kipi, it wasn't on my end this time. No. It wasn't on your end.
[00:56:10] Unknown:
My Internet, my Internet went dark for a few minutes. So Yeah. I'm Okay. I'm feverishly getting things reconnected here. I think we're pretty much running
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arc? Paul, did it go arc, or did it go ar?
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No. No. What it did was it went
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It went boom.
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Beat. Goodbye.
[00:56:34] Unknown:
Hey, Mark and Roger. Yeah. Who's talking? This is Mike up in Rhode Island. Hey, Mike. Your trust class. Hey. Alright. So so if if, there's a lullaby activity here and no no super new people, I'm pretty new. But, so the the gentleman from, from Kansas who brought it up again, their ROE. And, you know, with that subject, every time I think I I have it straight in my in my, stubborn head, it something comes up and it makes me go, Well, do I need to do that? So my understanding is once I've filed my affidavit, then I do my, notices, which I haven't done yet. I'm working on that to the to the IRS and such. Then unless I'm going back and looking for for refunds, then there's no need for me to do an refunds, then there's no need for me to do an ROE. Now if there is any benefit at all, I would still like to do an ROE just to, you know, hammer the nail as as hard as I can.
So if you could clarify all that, that would be very much appreciated.
[00:57:42] Unknown:
That that is unless something changes, that's my understanding from what I've looked at, from what I've seen, is that you only really need that revocation of election if you're going back and trying to get refunds for previous years. And I'm gonna state this again. Nobody that I've known in our group, except for, John, has got a refund for previous years. And we're waiting we're waiting on Dave in Alabama who was put in for a refund for for, I think, one or two previous years, and he accidentally filled out the wrong form. The year was wrong for the tax form you sent in, so he's having to redo it.
But outside of that, except for John who claimed that he got three years of sizable returns, which nobody can confirm, and, you know, he's the only one. But so far, I don't know if anybody outside of that has got a refund.
[00:58:46] Unknown:
Okay. I I've heard you say that. Would would you think even as a bit of redundancy or just a extra, you know, for sure make sure that goose is cooked kind of thing just to do some kind of ROE on top of noticing them after after after your affidavit? Is there any advantage or benefit of that?
[00:59:11] Unknown:
I don't know. It might be another layer of protection, but, I tell you what, since you're a member of our trust class, I'll be happy to to discuss that further with you. And and, if you wanna send in something to them to revoke that election, I'll be happy to help you with that.
[00:59:29] Unknown:
Okay. That that's that's great. I just thought, you know, I'm gonna bring it up on the show since I've I've heard it again, and then Dave just brought up ROE again. Yeah. I I Micah, I,
[00:59:40] Unknown:
I developed a one page revocation of election. That 13 page monstrosity that's floating around there, I mean, it's okay. It'll get the job done, but it's way overboard. It's it's it's, that was created by a, company, not a law firm, but just a company called Wise Paris. And they charge $1,500 for that 13 page document. Now there's others that have maybe modified that a little bit, and they're, you know, promoting that revocation of election, because they know that it's been used by wife's parents and it works. But I went through that with a fine tooth comb and narrowed it down to where I could put it what was necessary, only the necessary part on a one page revocation of election.
And, obviously, you can't charge $1,500 for a one page revocation of election. But Okay. Yeah. Since you're a member of our trust class and sometimes we go over tax stuff, just get with me, and I'll I'll help you with this one pager if you wanna do that. Some people say to do it once a year. I don't know. I don't know if there's an advantage to that or not or whether it's really necessary. I think it kinda depends on on, what you have going on tax wise.
[01:01:05] Unknown:
But, yeah, I'll help you with that. I'm a Great. Thank you. I I appreciate that. I I think I've seen a version of that or a couple versions of that floating around, and it makes all sorts of claims and and other things, which which sounds totally contradictory to the, you know, semi simplified approach that that Roger Roger teaches and such. So okay. Thank you very much. I'm gonna follow-up with you on that and Alright.
[01:01:30] Unknown:
If that helps. This is a guy that validated my family hereditament, Mark. So treating with kid gloves. Okay.
[01:01:38] Unknown:
Alright. Alright. Well Yes. So is that Larry? How was it when you're hold on just a What was it, when you're a member of something, you get special privileges? So, trust members, we we I don't say often, but we do sometimes go outside of what the trust discussions are. And so, you you know, you get some special privileges as a as a trust member.
[01:02:06] Unknown:
There you go. I'll just I'll just say we're we're all pretty. I was just gonna say we're all pretty lucky to be here. You guys are all very generous with your time and information, and and, I'm already privileged. So thank you very much.
[01:02:19] Unknown:
Thank you very much. Now was that Larry trying to say something
[01:02:24] Unknown:
something there? Yeah. Question for Mark. Mark, when you say that you've never heard of anyone getting their three years back except for John Garland, did did you also include that you've never heard of anyone that even received the, their withholdings back from the year that they became a national?
[01:02:44] Unknown:
No. Not if they put in for it, they'll get it back. No. We've been successful in that. We've had some large tax returns for people who put in for refunds for their current year when they become a national. That's not the problem. It's where they've already filed a normal ten forty a return, and they're trying to, what's the word?
[01:03:10] Unknown:
Amended. Amended. Thank you
[01:03:12] Unknown:
very much. They're trying to amend that return. I've not seen anybody get a refund from an amended return as a national. A full refund of everything. It's one thing to amend it for maybe some type of mistake with the original form. But to go from a ten forty a, which is a US citizen tax form, to a ten forty n r, which is a nonresident tax form, I have not seen anybody get a refund on that yet. I'm I'm I'll say yet.
[01:03:46] Unknown:
I'm still waiting to on my 2020 amended return at, you know, the NR business, Nancy. But I know I didn't file in 2021, so I did a $10.40 n r for that, and I did get that money that refund. So 2021. Was that, Nancy, that you got the refund? 2021.
[01:04:06] Unknown:
Okay. And then what was the other year that you haven't got a refund for?
[01:04:10] Unknown:
2020. Okay. So that was the previous year. Right. I did this over a year ago when we started doing it. Yeah. Right. Right. So it it was within the time the three year time limit Yeah. Of course, 2020 filing. Yeah. Yeah. So
[01:04:27] Unknown:
unless somebody can show me some evidence of them actually getting refunds from an amended refund as a ten forty n r, again, going from a ten forty a previous filing to a ten forty n r, then I I just I don't believe they received anything. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm waiting to be proven wrong.
[01:04:52] Unknown:
But Let's say that we haven't experienced the success we were thought and hoping that we would. And it's also very, very critical to understand for your new folks. The reason we're here is because of that right there, and that is because John found in the regulations with his skillful legal knowledge, manipulating the tax code and his addiction to it, found that they could get three years back when you change status. So what they did was they went out and started teaching it. The thing they did was, Mark, I guess you've heard this, was they sent the whole curriculum to the IRS Philadelphia service center and said we're gonna be going around the country teaching this. And if you or your, any of your employees would like to attend, if they'll show us their ID, we'll give them free entry and free class materials.
And the IRS wrote back and said, well, thank you very much. We'll turn this over to the education department, which they obviously did because in short order, they got raided by three offices, by three teams of CID with blocks at their heads. Right. So,
[01:06:06] Unknown:
Did did John and Gwen put that in writing anywhere about the three years?
[01:06:11] Unknown:
I I I don't know. If they did, I don't know where it was, and the IRS grabbed all of their files and everything on
[01:06:21] Unknown:
the computers. Would be willing to I wonder Glenn would be willing to have a little conversation on that.
[01:06:27] Unknown:
I I don't know. He's he really has tried to remove himself as far away from the tax stuff as him. So, anyway, he's gone in a spiritual direction. That's fine. Regardless, the few people that did this were in the Salt Lake City area because they were their students and friends out there, and they all got checks back. I don't know the process. I just don't remember. It's too long ago, and I was too green. My head was spinning. Just spinning Sure. Like that gal in The Exorcist, you know, at the end of that weekend. And, but I do know the few people did get large checks back, and they were waving them around. That inspired everybody, of course.
And then by the time I got in there and I was fairly early, k, in their six months deal. By the time I got in there, it was late July, early August or something. And, I got three $500 frivolous filing penalties. They were 500 at that time. So and from then on out, everything it wasn't but another month or two, and they raided the offices, and most of the people left. And those of us who stuck stuck around said, you know, they must got some they've got something of real substance here because the federal government doesn't act that fast for anything.
Maybe they're trying quell a quell a riot in LA with Trump in there or something. But generally, they are not speedy. And at the same time just a Larry. At the same time, there was a guy out there. I wonder if you remember this guy, Mark. Phil Marsh from the pilot society. Did you ever hear that before? Oh, I don't think I have. That's not familiar with me. Well, he was on ABC News one night, Friday night with Stone Phillips or Hararo or something like one of those guys gave him a whole hour, if I remember right, on untaxing people.
And so he was going around the country. He's the guy I saw, after I woke up. He was just the right we were very close to my house there in Atlanta at a meeting. And, so he put the word in the lexicon, untaxing. That was his contribution. He put a word in the lexicon and, because he was gonna go around and untax you. Well, they let him go for five years. See, here it was. They came and raided John and Glenn, I mean, within no time, Couple of months. Right. Right. They let him go on television and for five years because he wasn't teaching correct information.
And then they get all the people that respond to it. Now they got all of the dissidents in one big net. See? And I think Phil Marsh and his wife both, died in federal prison, I believe. So, there's a comparison. They let him him go for years and years and years, and John and Glenn and and we knew. I didn't know much, but I knew damn well they had I already knew they had something of substance, but I was totally convinced at that point. So, Larry, go ahead. Had to get that in there. I was just gonna ask Mark,
[01:09:39] Unknown:
so does he have any Mark, do you have any working theories as far as why you don't think, students are receiving their, refunds back from an amended return?
[01:09:51] Unknown:
No. We haven't heard anything back, Other than Dave accidentally using the wrong year for the form, we've just not heard anything back why why they're not honoring the amended tax return. So I'm guessing that there's probably some some kind of language or something in there that needs to be, requested or or informing the IRS to make that happen, but I don't know.
[01:10:21] Unknown:
Didn't, didn't do what recently somebody contacted their, quote, unquote, IRS representative or something, and the gal started yelling at them. Go, well, you're all going to jail. We've got a 100,000 of these things. Do you remember that call here recently? No. I didn't hear I don't recall that one. No.
[01:10:41] Unknown:
Well, that's supposedly of these things? No. That's what we were told to do. Tax?
[01:10:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, they had sent this, you know, I think. Yes. They called the IRS, and they got it. Some sort of an some agent started talking to him, and she was screaming and going, you're all going to jail. We've got a 100,000 of these things sitting back there. Now I don't know any more than what we were told. Okay? But that is good for a laugh. Wow.
[01:11:10] Unknown:
That is. That is. I and and that's the other thing too. I've I've got, an acquaintance, that, is a national, and they every so often, their heart gets struck with fear thinking that the IRS is gonna kick down their door, put handcuffs on them and drag them out. And I'm like, no, it doesn't work like that. It does not work like that.
[01:11:36] Unknown:
There's a whole bunch of administrative process. They wish it did, but it doesn't.
[01:11:42] Unknown:
No. No. It doesn't work like that. Then that's what you call admiralty law. As Roger, you you tell everybody that's I kick your butt and take everything you got. Yeah. But no, there's an administrative process that you go through. And if you go through that administrative process, and they say you owe a tax, you better pay that tax and then continue to fight it. But you got to exhaust your administrative remedies. You just can't sit back and ignore their letters. And then if push comes to shove and they still say you owe a tax and they give you a final assessment, you better pay that tax and you can continue your fight.
[01:12:24] Unknown:
Because see, we can't fight them. Happen, Roger. You can't take them to court unless the tack and that's true. We you can't take them to court unless the tax has been paid. Go ahead, Mark. Right. And that's what that's what I've also told people, be very careful, you know, especially the your time out of the gate,
[01:12:42] Unknown:
you know, you you you get a a refund back. You may not wanna go spend that. You may wanna stick it in a in a savings account. And if anything, you know, push comes to shove, you're getting challenged on it. You got the funds to pay the tax instead of having to, you know, work out some kind of settlement agreement or whatever. You know? But Put it in the middle. So far, we we haven't had anything like that happen. No.
[01:13:07] Unknown:
Kinda beds at least. They're threatening. The latest round is the, CP 59 letters. I got another email on it yesterday. Yes, Paul. Do.
[01:13:18] Unknown:
I think what's going on is there is a difference between filing a ten forty n r for your current tax year and getting that money back and Yes. Filing something outside the normal process stream on how the IRS processes returns. Now if you're just doing an NR for your current tax year, that goes through the existing system that they have in place, and it's mostly automated, and it's fairly efficient. But if you're changing from a ten forty a to a ten forty x or a ten forty n r, forcing them to go back in history and pull out a refund. That's a completely different process stream that Yeah. They're just not set up for. Certainly not to deal with a 100,000 unexpected ten forty nRs.
Certainly not. So that's, I think, where the hiccup is in getting the previous tax years back. Could be. My my feeling is when I got these parasites
[01:14:25] Unknown:
off of me, I I could have gone back. They took $5,000 more than I owed them, and then they had the audacity. Mark, did I ever tell you this? They had the audacity to write me a letter and say, well, we took an extra 5,000 for taxes we think you might owe in the future. You ever heard of that before? No. Son of a son of a bitches. Well, I I could have gone because now the tax had been paid, they'd seized it at my house closing. I could have gone back and challenged them on that. I probably could have got that money back, but I was so happy to have these parasites off my body that I said, you you just keep your stinking funds. I'm going about my life free from here on out, and I don't want you in it. And they've never been in my life, and I've never heard from them since.
[01:15:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I, it it's just rather fascinating to me, though. It's just we haven't had the the blowback like what people are scared about. And we hear the horror stories. They always come out. January 1, you know, talk about all these, quote, tax dodgers, and and they they talk about how how they were arrested, put in jail, and so on and so And it that goes all the way up to April 15. And then all of a sudden, the stories go away. You know? And what we've learned from the, the latest, Doge reports and and so is the government and the FBI and the CIA have been working hand in glove with these, media agencies. I call them the the dying legacy media, all the top main television stations.
You know, they're given the stories to run, and they get paid by the government to run those, propaganda pieces. So, you know, it's, I just, so appreciative that we we really got the answer to this dilemma. And even though, like I said, my mentor, Dan Metter, back in 2001 well, 1999 through 2003 when he passed away, you know, he'd written an article about the national status. He felt like that was the key, but we didn't know how to officially declare that status. Yep. And that's Roger. You you have the linchpin on that. I call it Yep. I call it the holy grail. Last night on our on our on our trust class, I was I was talking about, you know, there's a lot of concern inside using a trust in creating a taxable liability.
Well, guess what? If you're a national, you don't have to worry about those tax liabilities any longer. And if your beneficiaries, they're nationals, they don't have to worry about it either. If they receive property out of the trust, once it's executed, then they they don't have any tax concerns either. I'm just saying this this once you wrap your mind around this whole national status, it's so empowering and so liberating. It's amazing. I just I don't know how else to explain it other than it's really the holy grail and what the tax movement has been seeking.
But, unfortunately, those people are still wrapped up in patriot mythology, and they just can't get away from it. You know? And I repeated that same stuff, Roger. When I found Dan Meador, they were talking about Admiralty Law. Now not as much Dan. He was into the jurisdiction. He was going by law books, and he understood the the federal jurisdiction overlaying the the the separate states. Now it's almost like one. It's like it's like the the actual sovereign state is no longer there. Small s state, right? One of the many states that make up The United States Of America. It's almost like they're not even there anymore.
Right. They make up the nation, smallest state. It's like they're not there anymore, and you got this big, heavy federal jurisdiction imposing its will over everything by giving federal money out. Yes. So as soon as you take your hand out, there's always strings attached for the state. They either got to, you, assert a new tax or they've got to they've got to do something that helps empower the federal government over that state or its people. I yield.
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Paul? It's something that I meant to mention earlier. When we were talking about the international building code, yes, they've been rolling that out for some time. And what they do is through financial incentives, they talk the local legislators and the local, town boards and councils into adopting the international building codes and incorporating them into their local building code. So it's not that they're applying the international building code. They're adopting it and making it their own. So the only so it's completely legal. There isn't anything that we could do about it other than replace those people that are in power, that are in office for the local jurisdictions, the local areas, replace those people with people that believe in state sovereignty and will remove the international building code adoption
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and revert back to the code that existed beforehand. And there was one. Trust me. Just like I say, there's not we don't have a paper filing. We're not where we are because of lack of people filing papers. We're here because of lack of education and understanding. Now remember, these are all UN generated initiatives, and they all do basically what Paul said. They've got the thing corrupted all the way down to, in many instances, even the county level. And so but, instances, even the county level. And so but they've got to apply it administratively, and that administrative has got to have residents and people they can apply it to. And so once we do this, my understanding, you're And so once we do this, my understanding, you're out of that anyway. Now the battle may be let's say you wanna build a house. You don't wanna get a license.
So, one of the things that they probably could do is not allow the power company come hook you up power or something like that, but you may could fight that. You know? But it's just an education problem, and all politics is local. And that's where I do encourage you to think about voting and setting up a way to vote for your local elections. You don't have to fill in the president VP, and that, folks get out and get proactive with what we're doing, because what we've got is very powerful. Now when it's thrown in front of some of these folks, it's hard for them to get their arms around it, but we're in the right ear and on very solid lawful footing. Paul said that was all legal. Correct? Well, we're on lawful and legal footing. Who's somebody got their, cash register working there in the background?
Yeah. Right there.
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Area code 830, something like that.
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830. You're processing some noisy things. Could you hit the mute, please? I can do it. Alright. Paul's gonna have to do it. Hello? Hello? Yes, sir. Hello? Hey, Bob?
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Yeah. This is Bob. Hey, Bob. This is Bob. Something that Mark's comments, which I agree with entirely brought to mind, the idea of the individual states being, homogenized into one entity. Yeah. Is what you have brought forward on the and amendment, singular and plural. Yep. Their and its. Yep. If you wanted to elaborate on that, that's what it brought to mind.
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Yep. Yep. I swear. You know? Just so you know, students, I mean this up. There is t h e I r Yes. There?
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Correct. Yes. Yes. Okay.
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Go ahead. The the the amendment talks about their, jurisdiction being the states individually, and the close at hand, not many years later, talks about its.
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I mean, in the federal government. And the there is at the end of the amendment and the then it is in the sentence of the So they're right there staring you in the face. Appropriate.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I yield.
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Yep. You see it all over the place when you know what you're looking for. If you don't Roger, can you expand on that? Right over it. Not sure if I'm tracking what Bob's saying. Can you He's saying it's very clear about the you're saying that the individual characteristic of the state has been veneered over by the big federal blob. K? Oh, right. And he's drawing that over and illustrating it in the constitution with at the end of the amendment, it says their jurisdiction. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude unless a person has been duly convicted of crime, blah blah blah, and their jurisdiction. So there's plural, obviously, for the k. States. And you didn't have a amendment for another six months. Okay?
And so then they get the amendment passed, and there it is subject to the singular, the jurisdiction thereof. So, there's your comparison. There's the two, there's the two countries or types of government at the bar that John Harlan talked about in, in that great case, Downes v Bidwell in nineteen o one. Okay. You ever heard that that site out of Downes v Bidwell, Mark? I'm sure you have. Right?
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What was the lady from Downes?
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I don't it just go to here. I'll tell you where you can find it real easy. Go to Wikipedia k. Believe it or not k. And go to, Downs v Bidwell, d o w n s. Downs was one of the what they call the insular cases. There was a bunch of cases like the slaughterhouse cases where it was over in the other part of the world where we were messing around at that time, Spanish American war and all that. And, they clumped them all together and called them the insular cases. Down's is one of them. And if you'll read down look down that page at Wikipedia a little ways, they'll have the site out of there that I would love for you if you've not ever seen this, particularly you.
I'd love to have you read that to the audience.
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It's just down a little bit I'm not sure which one it is. I'm looking at I'm looking at Wikipedia. Downes is d o w n e s versus d period Bidwell, b I d w e l l. Okay. They give the case sign, the Supreme Court decision. Oh, here's it's become known as the as one of the insular cases. Background, Supreme Court in Dilemma Dilemma versus Bidwell had decided the that ever since Puerto Rico had been acquired by The United States from Spain in the Treaty of Paris 08/1898, normal cuss customs levied on imports from foreign countries did not apply to imports from Puerto Rico.
The decision
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I'm not It'll get to the site. It's just it starts out like we have two types of government at the bar. Now the important let me give you some background. It says
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it's under the decision. It says the idea prevails.
[01:26:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Thank you, man. Ideas have been used in court cases? Yeah. Let me, give you this background if you don't know. The author of what Mark, hopefully, is gonna find and read for you here is, judge John Harlan, one of the better judges we've ever had on the Supreme Court in the history of the country. So much so that he had his own nickname, and they called him the great dissenter. And and his son followed him on the supreme court bench, by the way. He's from Kentucky. And, he wrote the dissent in Plessy v Ferguson. He wrote the dissent along with Fuller in Wong Kim Ark, and here he is again. So you got it?
Read it if you would. Alright. Now we had somebody who's trying to chime in there. I didn't Well, we blocked him before Well, let's let's read it, and then we can get it. How's Julie? Yeah. It was Julie, and there was so let him read this, and we can discuss it afterwards. There's probably some of the audience hadn't heard this before. This is do you wanna talk about you'll see how brilliant this judge was and why he was so celebrated from this paragraph that Mark's about to read you here.
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Why he was hated? So this says one of the two dissenting opinions was written by justice John Marshall Harlan, h a r l a n, who would have held that Congress was always bound to enact laws within the jurisdiction of the Constitution. Quoting, this nation is under the control of a written constitution, the supreme law of the land, and the only source of powers which our government of it may exert at any time or at any place. He held, I'm talking about Justice John Marshall Harlan, he held that Congress had no existence and thus had no authority outside of the Constitution.
He continued, and here's his quote that Roger's alluding to, the idea prevails with some indeed it has expression in its arguments at the bar that we have in this country substantially two national governments. One to be maintained under the constitution with all its restrictions, the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument. By exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to. I take leave to say that if the principles thus announce announced past tense should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system will result.
We will, in that event, pass through the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by the written constitution, into an era of legislative absolutism. It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside of the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the constitution.
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Oh, I forgot to tell you he was a prophet too.
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And what does congress have exclusive jurisdiction over?
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Yep. DC Territories, Puerto Rico, part of the Insular case.
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Yeah.
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And all they did was they put up you where you've had an opportunity to be put into a fraudulent position of voluntary servitude to the constitutional. And then later on, they ask you the questions, and, you always answer yes and sign something. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Mark ought to know what he is, shouldn't he?
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I'm a free man.
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There you go. I am. I actually one of our listeners brought that quote to us one day. I was not familiar with it. It is brilliant to the point, not one wasted word, and it really illustrates the brilliance of John Harlan and where his sentiments lay. Now, Julie Yeah. Were you from have you heard that before?
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Hi. No. I was just, I was gonna say something, but I I read along with Mark what he said. And, what I was just gonna add to that was that it's interesting here. He says on here in the aftermath that the concept of territorial incorporation is that The United States can be proprietor of a territory without having actually incorporated that territory into The United States. Okay. And And guess what
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Yep. Yep. Go ahead. I'll add mine. Go ahead. What you gotta finish?
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Nope. That's it. And then it just basically says that unincorporated territories are not dual full benefits to the US constitution. It's The United States' decision above.
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Let's Mark, let's get our little crystal ball. Fired up real good, make sure the transistors are good. What, what year was, Downsy Bidwell? Nineteen o one. I think. O one? Yeah. What year was American Samoa Incorporated district federal government? How about nineteen o one?
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Oh, wow. Well, the that section and I I would invite everybody to go read this. It's not very long. But if you go to wikipedia.com, and then in their search box, type in downs, d o w n e s, then space, v as in verses, and a period. So it's b period Bidwell, b I, d as in David, w e l l. It'll bring it right up. And it's a short read, but it's really excellent. The part that Julie was talking about is really telling because it's talking about the I the aftermath is the section. The idea of a territorial incorporation is generally agreed to have arisen from Justice White's concurring decision noted above, incorporation, and they put that in quotes, in this sense does not refer to the legal process whereby a company takes on certain of the characteristics of a person.
So it says, see, incorporation. The concept of territorial incorporation is that The United States can be a proprietor of a territory without having actually incorporated that territory into The United States. Now notice it doesn't say United States Of America. Right. It says United States. Well, yeah. Unincorporated territories are not unincorporated territories are not due the full benefits of the US Constitution as noted from Justice White's decision above. The idea has been used in court cases ever since to affirm that citizens of certain territories can be subject to the laws and regulations that are not constitutionally applicable to other citizens of The United States.
Many citizens of territories that have been designated unincorporated have seen the principle of territorial incorporation as a form of oppression.
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And they took the opposite of that and incorporated it into the system looking far ahead. Remember, they didn't change America the Nash state citizen to national till 1940, but they unincorporated brought American Samoa in in nineteen o one knowing all these things from these court decisions. They were working thirty years ahead. They knew they took American Samoa and did it the opposite of as opposed to what they didn't want. They gave them their total freedom. So they could call them nationals, noncitizens, so they are not citizens of that district of Columbia, and hide us under the same moniker, national, behind them.
We're dealing with some really sophisticated people, folks. You long noses Roger. And little hat bastards that are listening, we got your ass, though. And we're coming for you eventually. Someday, the truth's gonna catch up with you. Yes. Who was that right there?
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That's Dave. You know, I learned about that Downes v Bidwell through our Michigan assembly, and that's where they divide the de facto from the du jour with that site that site in that case, where see, that site, I believe I've read or had read to me that somewhere in there that, justice divides the du jour and de facto by the the du jour has no one sitting in it. They're all in the de facto side, and the Michigan assembly started to refill that de jure side. And the, you know, the the people in the assembly, there you know, we have elections, and we vote each other into those those vacant offices and just hold the seat until the can, you know, reestablish itself in America.
And, you know, when basically, they say that when the de jure rises, the de facto must be seated. They've read that, you know, to us. I don't know if that's exactly what Uh-huh. You know, that's in there, but somebody read it to us at the assembly years ago. And, you know, we actually, you know, have annual elections for You're like You know, we don't call them senators and we're you know, we have the different names, but we have a call quarterly, for the elected, you know, assemblymen and women. And we just are there, you know, and holding those seats
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until we can refill them, you know, with elections nationally. Well And I And so what John Ainsworth had that going up in North Carolina, similar for, hell, more than at least twenty or more years. I'm not sure what's on with it now, but he was involved in that for a long time. Never got any blowback to my knowledge. He and I, when we crossed paths, he was not he on our amendment, it was never legally ratified, all that. Well, you you can't argue with somebody like that. So we didn't cross paths, again. But later on, I heard he had changed his mind and was adopting the amendment approach theory, which is everything's got to because it revolves around that. Everything revolves around that sentence of that amendment.
Ratified or not, it's been implemented, and the whole system is built off of it. And you're not gonna go in and tell any of these people it wasn't legally ratified and have them recognize you and undo it. That ain't gonna happen. K? Just don't be don't be I don't mind you dreaming, but don't be an idiot. K? Hey, Raj. Yes. Naive, I guess. Yes, Paul.
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They're not going to allow an unwinding of the amendment Of course not. Because all they have to do is claim national security, and then they can sidestep any law and make any proclamation, declaration, or claim that they want to for the good of the whole.
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It doesn't matter what excuse they use. It ain't happening. K? So, now let's see. Anybody got any comment on any of this stuff right here? You had never seen that? Oh, yes. I thought yes, sir.
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Yeah. I I heard, Newsom this morning on national radio say that, you know, Trump bringing in the troops is a danger to our democracy.
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Yeah. So yeah. I know. All these idiots,
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I don't know if they really believe that's what we have as a democracy, and it is a danger to their democracy. They we do have a democracy. You know, we live in the republic, but they live in that democracy. Well And when the republic rises, it's a definite danger to their democracy. Can I play Voltaire?
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Can I play Voltaire for a minute with you, Dave? Before we discuss? Let us define our terms. What definition are you imputing into the word democracy? Because I can tell you the one they are. The one they are is the lack of lack.
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Go ahead. Go ahead. Lack
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of lack of opposition. Report
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I'll shut up, Dave. Go ahead. Alright, guys. You're really, really gonna have to respect the delay and just calm down and not talk over everyone. Well You're just gonna have to. Well, Roger, because you go ahead, I figured it's time to go ahead. So I'll use Well,
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there's a two second delay there with this sound improvement. It's an answer. Just a half second. With. But it's enough. Alright. Half second. It's enough to cause situations like that. They're using their definition of democracy. They're just not telling you what it is. Their definition is lack of opposition to communism. There you go. Their definition.
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Yeah. That's too funny too. And I know that the real definition of of a democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner, and we know what the outcome of that is.
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Every time. Mark, are you not familiar with that down site? That's a powerful
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site. I've I'd spent a long time since I've, you know, I I maybe heard somebody talk about Downes v Bidwell, but, you know, the real the real education I learned is from another, scholar, of the law. But what he did when he got looking at law is he said the real information is not in the opinions of these courts. The real information is the briefs that are submitted to the court that they're basing their opinions on. Yep. And so what he would do is before the advent of the Internet, he he had a, one of these jobs where he'd make a lot of money in a short period of time. And and then they only had a season for that that type of work.
He'd make a bunch of money working his butt off and then he would go research and he would go to the, national archives and you get copies of these briefs and these decisions. And that's where the real information's at. And I love it because what you're looking at generally are thousands of dollars worth of information that some attorney was paid to put on paper. And it's publicly accessible. Unless it's a sealed case, you can go get the briefs from the and I would recommend you get both both sides of the brief and read them and compare them.
And you can really see the you'll and you'll get course you'll get court cases that you can cite in your own cases.
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So that's where the real powerful information is at is in the briefs that were submitted to the court. By Yield. And I'll tell you where one of the real lacking areas of our community is, they always read the affirmative opinion and not the dissent, I e, on Kim Ark, where the whole feudal system is tied to the amendment right there in the dissent with not only the same John Harlan on that dissent, but also the chief justice, Fuller, of the Supreme Court on it also. So those are wise words from Mark. Yep. And, you can go and you could even probably read the amicus jury briefs along with the regular, combatants, if you will. Yeah. So, anybody else got anything? One of them Yeah. Go yep. Go ahead, Mark.
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I'm just saying one of my, epiphany moments was we would go hang out, as part of Richard Kornforce, study group, and we go to the Oklahoma City University Law Library. Oklahoma City University is a private college, and they had a very well respected law school there. And so they had a great law library. I mean, amazing. It was like four stories. And, they had one wing on the First Floor that you walk into, and it was nothing but all the major law articles and reviews from different universities across the country. Mhmm. And one day I was I walked in and I was trying to think, well, where am I gonna go? And I'm looking at all this expanse. I mean, a whole wing of this library that was nothing but law review journals from all the top law colleges, law schools in The US. And I was like, oh, my gosh, it hit me. You know how much money and resources were spent to create these books that will educate me, and I have access to all of it.
And I was just it kind of floored me at the moment. I was like, wow. All this small access. Sitting in this one lane Yeah. Is crazy.
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You probably had access to Lexus, Nexus, and Westlaw in there too.
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Well, I didn't I didn't with them, but I could have. I didn't really Uh-huh. Was looking for it at that time. Later, yeah, later, they pretty much have brought all this on electronically. So a lot of those books, matter of fact, I, caught them when they were getting rid of their, the US code and their Oklahoma statutes and book form. And I was, I had a little cavalier car at that time, one of the Chevy cavaliers with a hatchback. And I said, you know, I'm part of this study group, and I was. I wasn't I wasn't lying. And, you know, we we often refer to, you know, looking at Oklahoma statutes and the US code. And I was wondering if unless you got somebody that wants them, I you know, I'd like to have them all. They were giving away books at a time. Well, it's kind of a whole set unless you're studying some area of law specifically.
Mhmm. So it's all categorized according to the sections of, to the areas of law, like whether it be agriculture or transportation, those are in different books. Right? Mhmm. And I said, you know, if unless they're spoken for, I I would like to have all the books. They said, oh, well, let me make a call. So I don't know who they called and they come back and said, you're welcome to take them all. I took all of the Oklahoma statutes. There you go. My little car was squatted down
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in the rear end driving down the road.
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But we had a full access to all the statutes at that time because I believe it's every year they update those books. Yeah. And that's the other thing too. Back then, you'd have what is called pocket parts. So Right. When they come out of those books during the year, this is what you learn in a paralegal school when we get into legal research and writing. During the year they come out with new decisions that could overturn some of these old decisions. And so you would look in the back of the book there'd be literally a pocket and they'd have like a loose printing not without binding there's no it's just stapled together of other decisions through the year through that year that came out that have not been published in the physical hard copy book yet. And so you always want to go back and see if there's a pocket part and review that pocket part for any new cases.
So, yeah, it's there's quite an art to legal research and, I'm so glad. I'm so glad that I was able to go through formal schooling on all that stuff. And, you know, other people that just they don't they don't grasp the power that they have. And now it's all online. There's only one thing that I can't do, easily, and that's what's called shepardizing a case because, you know, cases from time to time will get overturned. Roe v Wade is a famous one on the abortion. Good good example. You know? Well, that was overturned. Well, if you didn't know the case has been overturned, how are you supposed to find out? Used to. You had to go through a physical book and find that case.
In that case, that book those books, shepardized books, were updated usually on an annual basis as well. You had to go look up that case in the book and it would tell you if it's been overturned. Has there been another opinion that come out from a court that is negative against that decision or that that case? And so you had to go physically look at that. Well now with LexisNexis and Westlaw, boom, it'll do it immediately for you. So that's the only part about using Google Scholar that I struggle with is whether that case has been shepardized or not. I yield.
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Mar, the book covering that in the old days was Shepherd's Touchstone on shepardizing case Oh, there you go. Cases. I was gonna ask you if you had heard me say I saw, Tom Rentz, on Alex last week one day, interviewed him for an hour or so. You know who he is? That attorney from, Cleveland area, Ohio? No. I don't I don't think I'm familiar with him. Well, he's real he's real sharp. He came to the forefront a lot of bunch in COVID and and working with a lot of whistleblowers and this, that, and the other. Anyway, a very good attorney and, one one of the good guys. And he said the other day on Alex, they were talk came to AI, and he said, I with AI, I can do the work of five attorneys.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I thought that was very interesting productivity wise.
[01:49:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Same here. I mean, I I find myself, being able to pull resources a lot quicker using AI than for me to go out and research it. Now you still need to have an idea whether it's right or not. You know, it it it you can't just blindly follow whatever AI tells you. But, you know, you you could research it, but it could pull what I call large language models, LLM. Yep. And you could it just it saves you so much time. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, I I lean on that. And, of course, I've told the story a few times, and it really does bear, you know, rementioning about, one of my, acquaintances, training two bots. Now it took him over six months.
He would teach him about using ethics and logic and so and then got into the law, but he trained two different bots, AI bots, to compete against each other in law. And so he would ask his bot that was on his side, to produce something like a memorandum of law. And then he would take that memorandum of law, memorandum of law, upload it to the other bot who was the opposition. And he's feeding these documents, digital, of course, into these bots, and they were fighting back and And he could get it down to the point where he knew if he he could win ultimately or not.
And he was giving them fits in the court. Because he would he would keep going at it until his bot won, and the other bot couldn't overcome his argument. And he knew he had a winning argument, and he was just tearing up the court. And he and he was just he's not an attorney. He was just representing himself in court. A smart guy.
[01:51:55] Unknown:
Good. That's a very interesting approach. Julie, you got something quick? We're about to hear the whistler.
[01:52:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just gonna say that, what Mark is talking about is really good using the AI. It was so resistant at the beginning, but the other thing you need to know is that you need to challenge these AI because sometimes what they do scour from the Internet is not correct or they miss That's right. Component. And so Mhmm. I was, yesterday, I was doing something on Grok, and it was legal related, Mark, and I can't remember. I meant to bring it up to in this class last night. And I said to Grok, that's wrong. You forgot this. And Grok came back and said, I I stand corrected. You're you're right on that. And it added something else. So you need to, like I said, challenge it and ask it where it's getting its data and its source of information from, before you accept what they come back what the AI comes back with as a, answer.
I use it. Well said. Good,
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good, suggestion there. Thank you, Jules. Hello? Somebody ask Thomas? Something in here. Yeah. It's Mark. Quick, Mark.
[01:53:02] Unknown:
Right. For Mark and everyone, Tom Renz. It's r e n z, and there's links in both chats. Thank you, Murray. He put some good links over in the,
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chat box. Thank you. Yeah. Watch a little bit of him, Mark. He's real sharp. He's one of the good guys. Okay? Go like him. So, anyway, here we come to the end of another program, this one on, June. And, hopefully, if, I don't know, somebody didn't press the red button, we'll be here tomorrow again at the same time, the same place, and we'll see what technically challenges us tomorrow, because you never know these days, do you, Paul? So thank you for spending your time with us. And if you you or your friends wanna get out from under, Revelation two and three nine, the fake Jew slavery, we're here to help you. Come say hello, and we'll get you free.
See you soon, you little freedom seekers.
[01:54:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Thanks thanks so much for making sure that you're hiccup.
[01:54:06] Unknown:
Always no problem. Always good to, not your fault. Always good to have you on board, Mark. So thanks.
[01:54:14] Unknown:
My pleasure. It's good to be here.
[01:54:17] Unknown:
Yeah. So, I think that probably ends us. Yeah. We probably
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on one. Might have dropped off at Eurofolks an hour ago when the stream went down. I think the system automatically grabs something out of mothballs Yeah. And hits the ground running. But, Global Voice Network did come back.
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So Okay. So All good. Well, we got it used to be Paul had a something in there. When when it did that, it would defer dead air would defer to classical music out of Italy or something. Yeah. It was actually kinda nice. Okay. Mhmm. So, everybody good. One more. Glad you're here. Yeah. One more reminder. The Yes, ma'am.
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The bankruptcy in '33, the receivers, decided to call this a democracy. So, technically, it is a democracy.
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Yeah. Uh-huh. And they've been striving for communism ever since. Alright. Well, if nobody's got anything for me, I'm gonna take off and get some things done. It's a beautiful day it's turned into, and, that's a pleasant change. So I hope you guys have a nice one wherever you are, and, keep a thumb on your local area if you're near a city on which, riots are going on. You know what's going on Saturday. Right? It's Trump's birthday. It's the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the army, and it's, Juneteenth,
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all the same day. It's flag day. It's flag day.
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That too. Okay? So it's a a a myriad of celebratory events, going on, and, we'll see how bad they disrupted. Yes, Paul?
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So so Saturday is when I should, hoist the old 48 star flag I got from Sheldon.
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That'd be a good day to do it. Yeah.
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Yeah. Okay. Sure. Well, I got a Yeah. I got a peace flag too.
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But I have to talk about it. Guards and guards. Yeah. Display it display it upside down since we're in distress.
[01:56:27] Unknown:
Yeah. There you go. Some of these protesters are doing that. You know, they got pissed off at them because they were carrying the Mexican flags and making it so, so totally, transparent to the American public who who was doing it. And so they sent out through Reddit and said take American flags. Some of them said turn it upside down. And I guess y'all heard, I hope, Trump is talking about passing a law or anyone, caught burning the flag is just one year mandatory jail sentence. Now that would be interesting. Yep.
They'll they'll fight it every way, but yeah. Well, it won't work. Anyway, I I gotta applaud That's already gone up to the US Supreme Court. Yes. I know. And said it was free speech. Well, maybe maybe it's a different court, and they'd rule differently. Don't know. A lot a lot of this pride stuff is fading though quickly. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's gone. It's not fading. It's just gone. You don't see it anywhere. And, there's something else I was gonna say, and I guess I forgot it. So Sorry. So that must mean something. It means I'm too old. It's lunchtime. That's what that means. That's what probably means that too, a a a malnourishment of my of my synapses.
So, we'll all see y'all tomorrow. Mark will look for you on Saturday, I guess.
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Alright.
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And don't forget, the the rainbow flag is actually the Noahide flag.
[01:57:58] Unknown:
Is isn't it don't they have it turned upside down? It's not the rainbow colors. It's the rainbow colors upside down, I think. Right?
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Well, kind of. But I I'm just saying this is a subterfuge. You know? They're basically saying you're conquered by Noahide.
[01:58:15] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, not yet. We're not. So, anyway, screw them. We'll see you all tomorrow. Thank you for everything. Thank you, Richard. Okay, Mark. You too. Oh, by the way, I think I wrote you. I got Paul, I got an order through a magicJack, and it's already shipped to my mule. So that problem Cool. Appears to be out of the way, and we'll, talk. I think she's coming back the eighteenth. Last call. Cool.
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Yep. I ordered I ordered mine over two weeks ago. I still don't have it.
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Well, I've already gotten an e I've gotten an email that mine already shipped. I ordered it Sunday. Yeah. So Well Alright.
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I'd bug them. I'll have to check into that.
[01:58:59] Unknown:
Apparently, they ship mine from Mars.
[01:59:02] Unknown:
Okay. Good deal. Yours and Elon's. Yep. By the way, I got to see Elon's father yesterday. They had a big two day conference in Russia, and they teleported some of these folks, Alex Jones included, to speak to the, gathered crowd of dignitaries. And, one of these speakers was Elon's daddy. And he was quite interesting, very, very interesting looking fellow.
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So, anyway He's a very creepy guy, and and this is why Elon said he had a very horrible childhood. And I don't know if you're familiar with the ritual of blasphemy that he and others went through at the age of 12.
[01:59:45] Unknown:
I don't know anything about that. I know I saw him on this stage yesterday, and he came off real good. So, that's all I know, Murph. Okay. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Ciao. Adios.
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Take care. Dis despicable people. Ever gonna speak?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Despicable people often,
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appear Which reminds me. I signed back in because you were talking about Bill Cooper, but you didn't come back. So that's good for that. Yeah. I did. Oh, you did too. We're talking about 03:00 in the morning for me folks. So I waited a little bit, and I didn't see you. And I thought, well, this is stupid. I shouldn't be signing back in at 03:00 in the morning. I didn't I didn't know I'd gotten knocked off, and then I looked and saw, and then I went back in, and you were gone. And about time too. Yeah. But that was interesting what you were talking about there. I remember you got the last word in for a change.
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What, part did I cut off at?
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I just remember we were talking about Bill Cooper and, some of the language, I guess, he used in his programs.
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Yeah. Well, there was this one. It was in the ten minutes, and, he got really ticked. And he said, and if you don't like it, f you, and slammed and slammed the phone down.
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And
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Yeah. It was done for the evening. It was probably when he was drunk.
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Oh, well, Alex Jones claimed he was a drunk, so I don't know.
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Well, he I get I think he was.
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It could be. I don't know. And I think there's a whole lot of stuff. X lax Hicks claimed that's not true, but, anyway, I yield.
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You guys gonna have a floor again.
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I'm just trying to figure out where we can go to follow that. I don't know. Often, despicable people appear to be very, very humble and wonderful to the general public. It's only those people that are close to him know exactly how evil they are. That's
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my Yeah. Experience. One of these guys that came out of this, you know, this system, network, Illuminati, Luciferian Brotherhood, whatever you wanna call it, and was reveal revealing in an interview, that he, you know, between the ages of, like, 13 and 16, they get really, really, you know, after all the training and stuff they go through and it's torture involved and everything, and they were getting really pushy to get this kid to stay in the system and become one of the, I guess, teachers, they call them. And, he was at some points on Epstein's Island, which was, I guess, pretty efficiently run and everything. And, basically, only saw Epstein in passing kind of, and I think he's back out there running the island. But in any case, he said, that Alondra, this guy, and he's a Jew, and, they had him at a breeder farm for quite some time.
It kept him real busy. And then there was others that passed out because they were making them breed so intensely. But, anyway, he said, Epstein would he was just amazed at how he would flip so quickly into a murderous rage, speaking of change in personalities.
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How quickly Epstein would flip? Or
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Yeah. Yep.
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But he was just not a kid. Kill himself?
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Oh, no. Just ask just ask Dan Bongino and catch Patel.
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Cash up. Yeah. But they Bongino was constantly saying on his program that there's no way he killed himself. And then all of a sudden, he looked at the evidence and said, yep. It's a suicide.
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Yeah. Well, that just shows you how corrupt the system is. When you get into this little higher echelons, you really better tow the line. That's the problem with those two fellas. And don't get me started on Bondi. She's not what she seems either at all. Or maybe she is depending on what you think she seems.
[02:04:32] Unknown:
Well, Bondi just recently identified the rock throwing guy in Los Angeles, and they said we're gonna find you. They already put a a search warrant out, and they they went and, you know, went through his home. And this guy's in hiding now.
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Well, there's more than one. And what they were doing, like, well, Trump was even saying, but it was passed on to him. They came with these special heavy hammers that they could pound off parts of the curb to make rocks to throw as weapons, you know, besides the the, pallets of cinder blocks that were being dropped off from Schwartzy or whoever.
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Yeah. There's amateur video of these guys pounding the rocks off around the Federal Building. Off goes off. Well, they usually mark them they're like yellow, and they're like these posts that are that are made out of concrete that's that surrounds a steel post. Mhmm. And, there is no way you can get through that thing with any type of automobile or truck. And so they were pounding all the concrete off and using it as weapons. One of the things they were doing is they were putting I don't know if they were specifically using those those, you know, pieces they pounded off, but they were taking cinder blocks and making you know, crushing them up smaller, sticking them in backpacks, and then throwing them at police officers.
They were also launching commercial fireworks at police officers and, you know, just all kinds of things going on. And, of course, who's this representative out there? Maxine. Oh, they're they're this is all peaceful. This is all peaceful.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, back in the day, apparently, her chauffeur and, she had actually done something semi humane and beneficial. And, so guy came in the, passenger side door when they were parked and just, shot her chauffeur in the head so that she's she's been very malleable ever since. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then, Gavin Newsom filed a lawsuit against Trump for bringing in the National Guard without his permission. And, I was actually listening to an attorney going over the, the statutes, and the president does not have to get permission from from the, from the governor No. For the or there's there's two acts. There's the, the next act is the Insurrection Act that if he does that, that that allows the president if he invokes the Insurrection Act, the that allows the president to put the military, the marines on the streets to act in the capacity as an officer, and they they would they will have the powers to arrest people in a in a at a civil level, you know, for civil unrest.
Until this thing you know, until they get orders that the president feels convinced that everything is at peace again. But there's another act that was signed, and that's what brought the National Guard in. I forget what that one is. But there's 700 marines they sent in too, and that's a whole another level. If I may I call These people are saying Let let me just say this, Dave. The the people are saying like, all these representatives and officials are saying, oh, yeah. They got the the marines, coming in, and they got the National Guard, And they're making it out as if these people are that these, soldiers are on the streets, and they're not. They're just guarding they're just guarding the federal properties, and that alleviates the, the burden on the officers to be able to go out there and make arrests, but they weren't allowed to make arrests.
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Right. And they're enforcing a curfew, and I had read too where someone had posted that what the ICE were doing right away was going after some of these that were, funneling funds to the cartels. And, so they were giving away their address where they were staying, and, this guy that was doxing them then got doxed himself and didn't appreciate people coming and banging on his door. And, you know, so he said, oh, this has gone too far. You know? Well, there were there weren't that big a crew of ICE to come in compared to these building number of rioters, which is being egged on by media and everybody.
You know? And so they weren't letting them do their job. And so I can see why this is escalating, and I think it's being accelerated for a purpose too. Just like, missus Q had said about it, the revolutionary war, how that was accelerated. You get to a point or like all all of the, different wars, they they accelerate them to kick them off, you know, to make it really go hot. So I think we're seeing that.
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Yeah. Another thing I learned is, there's the alternative media that I listened to on on, YouTube that there's evidence that, that George Soros funded a million dollars to, Gavin Newsom's campaign. And so there's a connection there. And then I heard that Bondi is the justice department is investigating who is funding all of these rioters because they there's definitely funding going on.
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Yeah. I saw an ad for, from, Antifa International trying to get protesters to come in. So you've got all these shady organizations. You gotta remember, Schwartz is is his real name. Soros is from Esperanto, but it's also a palindrome, s o r o s. Right? Same backwards as forwards. And there's power in that stuff. You know? These spell casting things, and they let him get away with everything. They let him break the bank in in Britain a few years back. Right? But where he's born, Hungary, he's not allowed there. They banned him. So so yeah.
It's interesting time to be alive. That's for sure.
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And also this, this this lawsuit that Newsom brought against Trump, it was filed in federal court. And I believe there's talk about how he filed it in the wrong jurisdiction to begin with, and there's there's a talk in the alternative media that the the main one of the reasons they think Newsom filed it in the wrong district, because I think there's three or more district, districts federal districts in California, was because I think it was the San Francisco district he filed it in. Well, that that's outside the jurisdiction of of where where this, you know, where this, whatever was invoked to bring in the National Guard by Trump.
Alright. And so the alternative media is saying they think it's because Newsom knows this judge Exactly. That You know, she did some judge judge searching or hunting, you know, and hoping to get exactly. And, so I just read in the news that, the judge is temporarily not going to issue this emergency injunction until they until they give the Trump administration time to respond to this lawsuit. Right. So that's a little bit of good news.
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Yeah. But, you know, when you're under emergency rule and, martial rule, not martial law yet probably, but, they can kinda do whatever they need to do. And the thing is, just like the term, a lot of the time, because of all the media hype and stuff, the other links of Trump weren't listening to him. They wouldn't do what he told them to do. Yeah? So we'll see how it goes. But, I I think he does have more going for him this time around. You know?
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Also, in Texas, there's, there's some riding going on or the starts of it the starting, you know, the beginnings of it. And the Texas governor already ordered National Guard troops to, to intervene and to be get prepared. So, everybody's being, you know, they're they're not being what's the opposite of reactive? Proactive. They're being proactive.
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Yeah. And if you remember Yuri Besenov years ago, right, and, he also played, as Thomas Schuman and was actually part played part of a hippie, I heard him say, in one of his one of his interviews, and I don't know where it was now. But, you know, you have these three stages, and they went through them so fast. But the one is crisis, where people just become accustomed to having tanks on the streets. So I guess we're entering that stage.
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Another thing is there's talk that, Gavin Newsom obviously did this on purpose by, you know, just letting this thing broil. If they would have handled the National Guard at the very get go, like, sent in the National Guard and handled these things differently, at the very beginning, it would not have, been brought to this point where all of this destruction has been done.
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Well, we know the banker interests and stuff, they want this to come apart because what really needs to happen is the whole banking system come down, and they sure don't want that to happen.
[02:14:45] Unknown:
I believe it's in that bill. I don't know if Roger mentioned this, but there's some type of tax now because all, you know, all of these illegals that are working in our country are sending money to Mexico, and Mexico is making out, like, they're they're getting, you know, bill billions of dollars, I think, for for, all the money that's sent to them. So something was, included in this latest bill that actually puts a tax on on all that. And I guess that's what's gonna be used to fund the wall because we're not funding the wall. In that bill, Mexico is still funding the wall.
[02:15:30] Unknown:
Well, you know, the whole wall thing was ginned up by ones in the crowd and stuff. And, so it was, an aim, but it's not a solution. And I know Ron Paul had said, you know, why do they wanna build that? Is that to keep them out or to keep us in, you know, years ago? But, yeah. Yeah. I had something else, and I forgot what it was. But there's a similar correlation to, I don't know. Maybe it'll come back to me. Oh, that's what it was. It was with Ron Paul too. The, in the fed thing, that all came from the college students where he would, you know, have rallies where he would speak. That didn't come from him.
But, they try to carry forward what seems popular to the masses, whatever they're shouting kinda thing. Hey, Ma. Yes, ma'am. Hey, Joan. Hey. Did y'all talk to him? In the beginning that Elon Elon Musk's father hurt him when he was young or molested him or something? Well, it was just a very kinda bad relationship. But, his mother had said how I guess she would do the driving, and, the husband, the father would pound on her. And, in fact, she came back from honeymoon, bruised and pregnant. You know? I mean, it's just a it's part of this nasty system. But, like I said, then he was at Asheville in the Biltmore in the lower level there, and there were, five, of them altogether over those two days that Jessie Sabota and, her cohort, witnessed. They were forced to witness this stuff because she was being trained to be the mother of darkness, the crone position, which apparently they haven't replaced. But there was Elon, Trudeau, Michael Trudeau, one of, Gaddafi's sons, Sasha Stone, and Nathaniel Rothschild.
And what they did to them was and stop me if you heard this before. But this ritual of blasphemy and happened to be be, being performed by, Timothy Dolan, cardinal Timothy Dolan. And she has all this in her affidavits, and they've been circulated different places. And so, you know, they really don't want all this stuff to get out. But this is the underlining underlining, control of everything, really, is the satanic rituals and sacrifice and and control of the way they run things. And they have to keep these hierarchy children being, raised to fill in the positions as the older ones age out.
And, yeah. So Timothy Dolan had a statue of Jesus, and they put a phallus on it that was dipped in blood. And then they orally and anally raped them. And then they gave them, some injection that kept them erect. And, meanwhile, on the side of this pool thing, this is one of the good things that Q brought forward that was showing the pictures of this, Podesta art that was actually the tile on this pool at the Biltmore. And, they would have, like they had a young boy, and they have these straps that they kinda wrap them in, and he was being starved to death. But, anyway, they had these young naked girls, facing the side of the pool.
And after they gave them that that, medicine, quote, unquote, then and they also gave them adrenochrome. And so these boys, tore those girls apart. And, Dolan laughed and said he was happy to see these boys become men. So that's what's we've got running running the world. Okay. I wonder if Trump had any of that, you know, ritual stuff going on when he was younger. I I wondered about that too. Yeah. I wonder about that too. Now what he says is he, you you know, got in fights a lot, and that's why they put him in in the military school. But, you know, he didn't see, action, but it did really discipline him.
And, we can see that in how he's you know, of course, I'm sure they've got, doubles, but, he doesn't smoke or drink, you know, any of that kind of stuff. And, Gingrich even said that, at one point during the campaign, he says he's he's not part of their secret society where they do rituals. He came right out and said that Gingrich is, though, but, so, you know, it's a it's a mixed bag, but, I wondered about that too. And and about all of these older ones, what you know, what was done to them. And some of them get perverse when maybe they are to begin with, but when they go off in the military and, like, say, coming for act from Nam and they're, trained killers, but, I think there was a little clip and I think maybe full metal jacket. But they have these little pieces in these movies that they could easily just cut out. So, you know, but at one point where the actors walking past, they have the village in ruins and burning, but there's a circle of, many American soldiers looking very disgusting and grim.
And they have a a young Vietnamese child girl, and she's crying her eyes out, and that was no faking it. You know? She wasn't acting. But, anyway, they had made a circle with their outstretched feet, and she's looking from one to the other and just crying her eyes out. And so, you know, they'll let you know that this is part of what they learn over there too when they you know? They've they've already been taught that this is the enemy and they're lesser, you know, this stained Judaizing stuff, right, where the other is the lesser and and, not even human beings and and whatever. And so, I guess I need to put this out there because they're circulating that on Timothy Holmes' reports about, and and Jesse has, affidavits of this too, this Craig Sawyer Craig Randolph saw him saw man Sawyer, he had been a bodyguard for Hillary hill Hildebeast and, and a lot of other things, but he's a sniper too. And, so any anyway, in her affidavits, he is helping administer the scalding water to these girls in their private parts and stuff and then tell them to shut up being a crybaby and you know? So he's in on a lot of this stuff and has been. And and, it's terrorized that, he might have been one of the people at Butler.
Now I talked to Sam Andrews and, had him go through his audio, you know, analysis, and he said from the sounds he had determined there were eight shots, and he told where all of them came from. And, shots one and three were from way back, way far away and being shot down so as if he was up in a tree or something. But, yeah, I see that now. You know, the day after my show on the fourteenth, I was I was sure it was just Holcomb, you know, but then I learned more by the next week, and I think that was another everything's in god's hands, but that was another one where he prevented prevented the assassination of people. I wanna hear about Kennedy, but he wasn't killed either.
And, part of it has to do with the the love of people for a leader, but it seems most notable that these leaders are ones that have turned over the money changers table, so to speak. You know? You have Andrew Jackson, and I guess there were four or five attempts on his life. And, the one we hear about is when the two revolvers didn't go off even though they were working just fine, or pistols. And, Adolf Hitler, his two laws, no pornography, no usury, and they wrote off the debt and didn't have any usury. And there were 41 attempts on his life, and he lived to, he died in South America, natural death on 02/13/1962.
People don't like that either, but just had Harry Cooper on again on my show week ago. And, but, you know, if I learn the truth, I'm gonna keep repeating it. So JFK live too, and you can you know, I've covered that quite thoroughly from others' research. You know, I'm just bringing a four or one of just the messenger. And so with Trump, which I think I've said before here, he his term, he he somebody else wanna speak? Go ahead.
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I'll finish up what you're saying, Murr.
[02:26:05] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it was interfering with the open mic. But, anyway, I just wanted to say that in his term, he had his energy efficient even exporting, and he didn't start any new wars. So that, in effect, is turning over the money changers' tables. And so they're trying to be determined to take him out. And besides all the negative stuff, you only hear negative stuff about him. A woman that did all the, from Canada, she's passed away now probably because of the shots. But, anyway, she did these really good, snippets and snippets. She did these really good reviews with things and was in contact with all the different, political cartoonists, and they had been told nothing positive could be done with Trump. Don't ever don't ever show anything positive. So Ben Garrison was about the only one that did show things positive, but, you know, so people are in the minds instead of, hate this guy, but, you know, I don't hate anybody. I just, I just find it fascinating to see how things are unwinding. Go ahead.
[02:27:09] Unknown:
Yes. You mentioned Sasha Stone? Yes. Yes. And, I'm familiar with some of his work. So so what is your position on Sasha Stone and Elon? Controlled op or what?
[02:27:29] Unknown:
Well, like I said, it's a mixed bag. They've been through this ritual of blasphemy and who knows what else. You know? So they recently controlled opposition when it comes down to it. And, you can tell sometimes by the way they look that, these different ones, just the look in their face and their eyes, they're they're, I don't know. It's, it's distressing
[02:27:55] Unknown:
to say I mean, you have Sasha Stone has this huge movement, and, of course, Elon too. Now they say that Elon's ultimate goal is to have AI take over our government. What what do you say about Sasha's movement? It seems very new age to me, but, do you think he's he's he's on the on the good side or the bad side? And and the same with with, Elon. This is a big mystery to all of us. Well, see, this is why I'm saying it's a mixed bag. Just like each of us,
[02:28:31] Unknown:
you know, we have intentions to do good, but do we always do good? No. We don't. You know? And so, it can, kind of vacillate. And I I looked into Stone some, and that that's not his real name, of course. And and, and it's interesting, but anybody that has a big movement, to me, right there, that's a red flag. Because they're always infiltrated, if not totally corrupt to begin with. You know? Well, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Yep. So Thank you. Thank you.
[02:29:10] Unknown:
Hey, Murr. Did did it, Andrew Jackson say that he believed there are several attempts on his life because he was against the establishment of a central bank? And then also,
[02:29:28] Unknown:
didn't he have the, the the national debt paid off at one point, or am I mixing that up with someone else? Yeah. I think you're correct. And he said, I'll kill the banks, and that's what he wanted on his tombstone, and he did. I killed the banks. So that's when they started, or maybe even before. But, over in Europe, they started planning to get us into the so called civil war. And you had Jews in there like Peter P. Benjamin and, of course, ones in the North, including link Lincoln Stein himself. And so this was to rip this country apart. The South didn't have a central bank. The North did. You know? And, people in general were freer. They they were Christian. They had more money, per capita, even, like, freed slaves or even indentured still or enslaved.
You know, I mean, a lot of the plantations, they were like towns. It wasn't like you know? We we hear a lot of crazy stuff from the Jews movies and all that, you know? But, in the North, they were practicing Unitarianism and Transcendentalism. And, they had slaves and they kept them, and it's written into the constitution. So all this about it, it being the Civil War being about slavery is bunk them. No. No. It was about controlling and taking over, you know, everything about them. And even the flag, the Confederate flag. Right? Well, what is that design? Oh, that's Saint Andrew's flag. Saint Andrew's cross.
Yeah. They even took that. It's, it was in the, cathedral in DC. One of the stained glass windows had the, Saint Andrew's Cross flag, and they they removed it. Yeah.
[02:31:22] Unknown:
You and Brent were talking earlier about some something you were watching last night, with what was that that you all were watching?
[02:31:31] Unknown:
Well, we weren't watching. We just happened to be in a discussion about Bill Cooper at that point. On FCC here? On, 38 rebel madman. Yeah. Okay. Okay. After Mike's, class. Okay. Thanks. Yeah.
[02:31:52] Unknown:
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Clutch Thank you, Alvin. As would we, we'll take another swing at it here today on the Wednesday edition of June, six one one two five. Here at the Radio Ranch, Roger Sales, your host. Glad you're along with us this morning. And, the thing we like to do is to reidentify and recognize the folks that help us. And to do that, Paul is the one that can keep up with all of them and knows who they are and what day they're with us. That's Quite an accomplishment in itself in our patchwork schedule, but Paul will, if you will, Paul,
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come out and sir sir Paul, if you'll come out and, please identify these folks. It's really not that difficult. All I've gotta do is look at one screen, and I can see who's connected and who isn't. So but thank you anyway, Raj.
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Appreciate it. It sounds so difficult.
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Well, we're we have a light complement of, streams with us today. Of course, we have the old standby, the anchor stream, eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We have Global Voice Radio Network that is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. That'll take you to the Global Voice home on Podholme, where all the archives are as well, coincidentally. And we're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to Paul, our buddy across the drink. Tomorrow, Paul English live 3PM eastern on radiosoapbox.com, and a host of other platforms. Go to paulenglishlive.com, and, you'll see all the links right there or on Rumble, on YouTube, w b n three two four. They're all over the place. Our website is thematrixdocs.com, and, there you will find links to free conference call so you can join us live on the show joined by landline, smartphone, tablets, flip phone, computer, whatever.
A plethora of ways for you to get in here to the program. Thank you, Raj. Good morning.
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Yeah. Yeah. Morning, Paul. I hope, our other Paul is mad with me for, the Internet going down last week. And Not at all. Certainly well, I haven't reached out to him. I figured he understood that. But if you would please relay my condolences to him for being, in a area that some dumbass ran into a telephone pole or something. Who knows? That's what I'm thinking. Bye bye. Please. The way they drive in Ecuador, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often quite quite frankly. Anyway, so, please reload the those regards to him, and I'm looking forward when we can reschedule that because, you know, I just really like talking to Paul. He's a good guy, as you know, and the audience knows. Well, they may not know except from where they see him here, but, if, you've had any interaction with Paul,
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you know what a good guy he is. Yeah. Well, running into phone poles is kind of like the nature of the beast when you live in a mountainous area because it's not like they're going to Can be. Use dynamite to dig out the rock to bury the lions. They're gonna go on poles.
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I'm a tell you what happens around here is if you get in an accident or ran into that telephone pole and caused a bunch of damage or something Yeah. They throw your ass in jail until the property damage is taken care of. Wow. They they don't mess around, you know, and and the people that have accidents run off. They run off. No. No. Not not my car. They're not my car. It's this is stolen. It's stolen. Stolen. As in there's nacho cheese. Yeah. And, so anyway, that's what is what happens down here. I'm told. I haven't been involved in that. Thank goodness. Yeah. Because I don't drive anymore. One of the advantages of an old fart like me living here is the, the pretty damn deficient transportation system. They've got a bus system that is, on dependable and on time, man. They run every couple minutes, and, they run from I don't even know what time in the morning, probably early until ten at night. And I can go anywhere on the bus system from one stop to the next stop for 17¢.
Yeah. 17¢. I mean, ridiculous. Right? And then cabs and Ubers are pretty cheap too. So I don't after my accident down there in Argentina, I don't wanna drive again, and my eyes have gone south on me a little bit, and that's another reason not to. But, anyway, so it makes it very convenient. One of our guys lived, from outside of Georgia, lived down on Locust Grove, I think, South Of Atlanta and outside of town about five miles. And he was, taking an Uber. He can't see either. And, he's taken an Uber to the grocery store and back in it was, like, $15 from about five miles, something really expensive. Well, we don't have anything like that down here. Hey, Rod. So, anyway, it's a advantage of living here, especially for me. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Good. Find one.
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If you can find one. You can get on a bus in Ecuador for 17¢. If you can find a payphone in The US, you cannot call where you're going for less than 10 times that. I'm I'm just Is that right? Yeah. Oh, because pay if you can find a pay phone up here, I'm sorry. A pay phone. No. They've taken them all out. And and if you can't find one if you can't find one, you need a credit card, And it's not just a quarter. Oh, god. Oh, no. I haven't
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seen any pay phones down here now that I think about it. There may be. I just haven't seen them. Of course, everybody's got hell, even the toddlers in a damn, carriage have got a cell phone, you know, which is which the parents ought to be absolutely beat for. Yeah. I swear if I had a child, I wouldn't let I wouldn't let it have a cell phone till they were, like, 16 years old or something, maybe even later.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let let that's a real good idea. Let's let's bake adolescent brains with four g and five g. It's
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just the most unbelievable thing. You know? And so, I'm I'm grateful kind of that my eyes have gotten the point they have, and I've got these fat fingers, so I can't use that thing. All I ever use it for is occasionally, I'll make a call usually, on WhatsApp, and, I'll answer calls. And it doesn't ring too often, so that's good. But I guess everybody's kinda gotta have one now. Who was it recently that doesn't have a cell phone? Oh, I know. E Michael Jones. I was listening to some more E Michael Jones. I like his, Jew perspective. He's got a lot of Jew knowledge, this guy does. And he was talking about how he doesn't have one of those.
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One of those. Lisa doesn't have one. Alisa, good for you, Lisa. Her husband does, but she doesn't.
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Good for her. And I just don't like them. I think the world was better when people talk to each other and, you know, hell, I'll get on the bus and the bus is crowded and you let everybody on the damn damn bus is looking at their damn cell phone. Nobody's talking to anybody. It you know, it's just it's I think they've been there are some positive things they do. I'll have to, say that and and agree with that. But, oh, and the negative things, I think, are overwhelming. But my opinion, you can have yours. I know. I was talking about it one day. One of our gals goes, I love cell phones. Speaking of, have we missed Joan? We haven't heard Joan's little little voice from Costa Rica, and I know she's probably headed back to South Carolina for the summer as she's apt to do.
And, but we haven't heard from her in a while, my point. And the people drift here. They come in. They hang. They leave. We saw Brian Howard yesterday who we hadn't seen in long time. Mhmm. Yeah. And I wanna talk a little bit about that. It was good to hear from him and talk to him though after all these years. I'm I'm glad to see, it's funny how the maturation process, affects people. And, it's taken a little of the piss and vinegar out of Brian, I have to admit. And it's it was good to see him not be he was really, like, very headstrong and very, bull in a China cabinet ish.
And, some of that's gone. So that's good. I'm glad to see him grow up a bit. I guess two teenage daughters will do that for you. Right? Especially these days. Can you imagine having two teenage daughters these days with those cell phones and all this crap that's going on everywhere?
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They will certainly give you gray hair.
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Woah. They better be lucky they got a conservative daddy. So anyway so let's see. Where can we go? Is there a riots in your cities? They've started out all over they're gonna be all over the country. They've already started in a number of them evidently. They're having there were big looting and stuff in LA. They've even called out the the the authorities, Gavin Gavin Slavin and, the Bass, the commie ass. They've already called out, police to try and put a curfew and all, put a quell to all that. While they're saying and this is I was just watching Harrison go this. So they come out and tell you that the it's Trump's fault for calling out the National Guard because there is no violence. Right? Then the violence starts, and they've gotta call out their own cops to come in and quell the violence that they said the National Guard, caused their because and there wasn't any there the time. Well, of course, there was. And and they're they're running around, spinning around, chasing their tail, changing their story. There was a story that there's two of them. Gavin Newsom said, well, they called out the the thing because it was a a raid on Home Depot with a migrant workers out front. And and then there's a story that says, well, that was just a rumor. There wasn't that, but Gavin was saying there wasn't. It's just a big mess out there, and it's gonna continue to be so as we go forward. And, it will be an eventful weekend this weekend, folks. I don't know where you live, but if you live close to or in a city of any size, the chances are very good. It appears that you'll have a riot, so stay home. K?
So that's, that's going on. I wanted to also say there's some things about Brian and his findings that I disagree with. He mentioned them yesterday. He mentioned them to me in our previous conversation, the all caps letters and and, some, you know, tied to the birth certificate, and that's in commerce. Well, it's partially correct, but it doesn't hey. They're good. There's all caps right there. Good. I was kinda hoping you were here yesterday, Mark. But, anyway, so Brian says he got this thing resolved, and he's got it all figured out. And so I had a question, Mark, and it was good you're here because I'm gonna ask you. If I filled out an affidavit and it says, I, Roger s sales or stoke sales, and I put my name in capital letters there in my affidavit, does that mean I can't be free?
Are you sure? Are you positive?
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Well,
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And, Bart, did you tell him to bracket the ZIP code?
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Okay.
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Yes. Yeah. Oh, that's the Groom. That's the Sodomy Pedophile Larceny Center. Just a small correction.
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Well
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do you I got a guy down here, one of our expat guys. Nice guy, Dan. He's kinda quiet. And, his brother has been for many years, I guess, a a a contractor with the post office. And they'll go he'll he'll go in either, like, we need a new post office here, and he'll draw the plans and get all the machines and do everything, turnkey operation for the feds. Or if it's an older one, the example he gave me was, you know, when they run it under the laser thing, beep. Well, you you used to, you could just run the label under the laser thing. And now he had to go back and reinstall some software where it go that laser beam wraps around the whole package, and it'll pick up the the little code wherever it is.
He made get this, man. Are you sitting down? I think you are. Right? He made 70,000 $70,000,000 last year. He's I'm sure he did, man. I he make it that kinda mate, he's got houses in Hawaii that overlook, you know, where the where the whales mate and all that stuff, and he's got houses everywhere. And, anyway, interesting. I thought 70 mil a year. Woah. That's pretty good. He he he does everything with post offices from the federal government. He's got the contract to build, redo equipment, load software that the old software replaces old software, all that stuff. And he does, quite well.
So, anyway I have a good question. Yes. Please.
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Okay. This borders on patriot mythology. Mm-mm. But it makes sense. They all new? Is it right. But but it makes sense. When in the seventies did the state abbreviations change from m I n n to m n in all caps? When? Yeah. Now if you are identifying your residence using a, using a location that points to a creation of a subdivision of the federal government, then you are claiming every time you write your address that you are a resident of a federal territory. Paul, please come back in. You're out on the edge of the limb. Come on back. But that's as far that's as far out on the edge as I'm gonna get. Now the all caps name thing, your name in all capital letters does not convey jurisdiction.
What conveys jurisdiction is when they ask you, Roger Stokes sales, are you here? And you say, yes. They're asking, if all caps, Roger Stokes sales is present. And when you say yes, you, by your own admission and by your own permission, have attached yourself to the entity they already have control over. That's the deal. It's not the fact that your name in all capital letters conveys jurisdiction on you. It's you saying, yeah. I'm him. That conveys jurisdiction on you. Don't do that. There's the hook. That's that's Yep.
Driver's license.
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Well,
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no.
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Okay, Paul. Again, I'm gonna go back to my question. If you wrote your affidavit out but put your name in all caps, would they write you back and say no that your name's in all caps? You you're a slave. Would they do that? Okay. Then the then the all caps letters have nothing to do with it. So, anyway, if some people I you know, see, that one is really tricky because it seems like there's some validity there, and you just wanna keep chasing it. And the more you chase it and understand it, the the more you understand it doesn't apply, at least to me and Mark and others.
So if you think it if you wanna try the experiment, do do an affidavit. Write your name in all caps and send it in and submit it, and see if they write back, say, no. You can't be free because you wrote your name in all caps on the affidavit. It does not do the deed. The deed is done when the end of your foot, if you're not a breech baby, comes out of your mama's birth canal and you're officially, quote, unquote, born. Then the deed is there. And and see, Brian thinks the birth certificate he's asked for some time. He thinks the birth certificate causes the condition. The birth certificate does not cause a it's not causation.
Causation does not mean correlation. Okay? And they it it it is, it's just the manifestation of your condition at birth as surety, just like Colonel House says in his letter to to Woodrow Wilson. K? And then as you go through life and get to the age of majority, then they start asking you are the two questions, and you start saying yes because you don't know any better, and you're young and ignorant, and you give them jurisdiction. They've got it as you because they've got it over your parents until you reach the age of majority. But once you reach the age of majority, then it's on your back. They ask you the questions, and you, not knowing any better, answer yes and say yes. I'm your good little slave. And question, yes. I give you consent to govern me in that capacity.
That's where the rubber meets the road right there to me. K? If anybody can prove anything in this all caps stuff, it's been a contentious issue in our community for the whole time I've been in here, thirty something years. Nobody's ever brought path truth, and he brought out truth to my knowledge that would confirm that. And, again, I would challenge you, Dave. Dave, resubmit your affidavit and put your name in all caps and see if they refuse it. How are you doing, Dave? Heard that. I heard that at lunch yesterday. It made me How about Okay. What about the end? Right. Right.
Okay. Here. Oh, okay. Alright. Okay. Okay. If you put that address on your mail and it comes to you, does that give them jurisdiction, Dave? No. It does not.
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Okay.
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Okay. Alright. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, don't forget. I used to work for
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yeah, right.
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Okay.
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Okay. Fantastic. You can also do not even have the box and just do general delivery. Dave and the thumb at whatever the hell post office is up there. And you yes. Correct. Correct. Yes. That's pageant. Yep. That's pageant stuff. Yep. We know about all that. Okay. Well, I a pageant does that. I saw that you decades ago. I know it's true. I'm just saying, there's nothing that causes the jurisdictional nexus except your feet popping out of mama's birth canal. All persons born. There it is. K? That's the jurisdiction. That's the answer that we've got that everybody's been looking for the whole time I've been in this movement for over thirty years. Okay? They're looking for that right there. What causes that condition?
Why is that unelected bureaucrat over there able to take existing legislation, turn it, twist it, and spit it out like a pretzel, and apply it to me. Attach it and apply it to me. How does that happen? Only through the process of being born. Alright, Merca. Hold on. Only through the process of being born. That's it, Dave. It's not somebody sending you something with your ZIP code bracketed or whatever all this wacko stuff is. The answer is it comes right out of mama's womb. You're born The surety aspect and the futile aspect attached. And later on, when you agree with their questions because of your functional illiteracy, they've got your agreement.
K? That's the process. Disprove it. Because what Brian see what Brian brought us years ago, one of the things was the Austin City Hospital, where his two daughters were born in the process of issuing that birth certificate. Well, when they issue it, they go and put it in an armed safe, alarm guards. Why? Because it's got value, because it represents you as a warehouse receipt, and they collateralize that. That's what's going on here. To the best of my beliefs, I would never teach you something that I don't believe. And that's proven out to be true, at least in my experience. Merica.
I don't I don't think I agree with you, but go ahead. Give give me give me some examples because I don't agree with you at this point. For what? Use what? Well, that that oh, okay. Well, if you've if you've noticed the IRS with your affidavit filing, why the hell do you have to do that? I know. That's my question. Oh, please. Yep. Okay. Okay. If you wanna do that, that's fine. It don't if you don't do that, does it affect your affidavit filing in your status? No. Okay. Well, there's your answer. Okay. If it makes you feel better, if if it makes you Okay.
Alright. Well, this But she always does that 2¢ thing. You know? And I know it works. And well,
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Really?
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Ball. Alert alert. Technical alert. Okay. He's off. He's off scurrying.
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So I thought he had it fixed, but, I don't know. He he's working on it. Well, we'll see. We'll see.
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Okay. Audience, you wanna give us the read on what we're get hold on. Let's get Paul, see if he's got this straightened out before we go further, America. Paul, have you, narrowed this down?
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Oh, hell. No wonder he did. I have. Yeah. I have straightened it out, and damn it. I hate it when I do that.
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Oh. I'll tell you, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to take some deductions out of that big
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check we send you. Okay. Well, there's 15 buttons there's 15 buttons that I have to hit at the beginning of the show. And, like, when there's when there's discussions and stuff like that that Yeah. That go all the way up to the beginning of the show and into the into Alvin Lee, sometimes I forget to click five of the buttons. I only click 10 of them. So, FCC have
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Honestly have to in we're gonna have to go to the committee and see about a pay reduction. Yeah. Mark. Yeah. I think so. Where's that Lula Bell? Is that Lula Belle in the background out here there?
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No. That's not the she's sleeping right now. So, no, it's not her. Okay.
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So, yes, it doesn't exist. I think
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oh, go ahead. I think Samuel's got something. Go ahead, Myrka.
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Okay. Yeah. And, I've talked to Patrick about it plenty of times, and, Joe even talks about it. He he you know, you have to educate yourself and verify the information for yourself. If you're not sure about it and you're making, you know, comments about it that it doesn't that it's not true, that it's not doesn't work, then that means that people need to educate themselves. And, you know, I appreciate what you've shared with us. So, I I dug into it more. You know? I believed, like, no. You don't have to use it. And, yes, you do not. You have to use it, not according to your status. But when it comes to using it, you know, in because a lot of everything that we are in right now that we are working in this system right now and trying to remove ourselves, it's all they are all following federal regulations.
So they are imposing the federal on us, and we need to know how to navigate in
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it as the private make sure you sleep better at night. You go do it however you want to. But my statement is nothing we've talked about has any altercation or in or influence on you being free by issuing that affidavit. Everything else is superfluous. I agree with you. Superfluous. Totally. Was that you, Samuel, trying to say something? Are they riding up in Placerville yet?
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This is Dave. I called out at the tail end of the show yesterday.
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Oh, hey, Dave. Yeah. I remember, man. We got Mark on here with you. So today too. Mark, this is Dave. He was new yesterday, right, the tail end of the show. I asked him to call back in today if he could because I thought you might be with us. You're usually here Wednesday and Saturday. So, Mark, this is our paralegal here, Dave. So once you restate your stuff from yesterday, we'll just start with a clean slate. Okay?
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Can can I say something real quick?
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Yeah. I'll just just wanted to say.
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Sure. Sure up what what, Merca said about them imposing federal law on us. I totally agree with that that they're doing it. I mean, I'm I've been looking at, county records or excuse me. County, quote, regulations as far as, like, if you wanna build a structure on your own land. And now all the counties, it appears to me, are imposing international building codes.
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Yes. Probably.
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Used to, you can that was not a problem. If you owned a piece of land in certain states, they didn't care as long as it wasn't in the city limits. The city had restrictions of building codes and so But if you lived in a county, again this is not every state, but there were most some states had counties. If you lived in the county rural area, you could build whatever structure you wanted to build. You know, it's your private property. You could build a structure. Well, now, I'm seeing that they're in, you know, not only just a federal level, in international building code, they're imposing it in every county.
And so what Mark is saying is so absolutely right about the states and the counties and the cities are imposing this foreign law in in our in our, in our jurisdiction. It's a proper way of saying it. It's coming out under that. Agree with Merck on that. Okay. It's coming out under that UN
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that UN 2030
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plan. They're organizing an institute and all that shit. Yeah. But they've been rolling that out for the last twenty years. Alright. They it's just been a it's a it's been a slow creep, but now it's an exponential spread.
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Well, they're Yeah. They're having to speed everything up because they're getting exposed.
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Yeah. This is where the fight is. When you talk about jurisdiction and them imposing a foreign law over you, this is where the fight's at. This is where declaratory judgment, a petition for declaratory judgment goes into the court system and says, do they have a right to impose foreign law on us by bureaucrats that we never elected?
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Right.
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So, anyway, I yield.
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Thank you, Mark. Okay. Let's let's go to Dave here. Dave's the new guy.
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Alright. Right. I'm Dave. I, I live in Kansas. I just recently registered a repair I mean, automotive repair business out of my home as an LLC. Okay. I am the only only employee. I would just learn about the whole, revoke you know, revoking my election process. And so I'm gonna go through with that, and I am just unaware of if there's anything else I have to cover my tracks with here since I'm in business now. If I was working for an employer, I know that's a whole lot different.
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Sure. Now, David, let me ask you this. When you said revocation of election, was that for you or was that for the business?
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That was for me.
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Okay. In in your LLC, have you registered it as a subchapter for s with the IRS? Has your LLC ever filed a tax return?
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No. It was just a couple of months ago. I just started this whole thing, and I I'm more aware of the the the revocation
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process. And so, yeah, I'm I'm fresh into it. Okay. Well, there is a form by the IRS where how you register your LLC and how they see it.
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Mhmm. And,
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if you hadn't filled that out, usually usually it's a bookkeeper or CPA will just say, oh, you got an LLC? Well, you need to be a subchapter s, and they fill out a form, have you sign it, send it in. I don't know what the number is off the top of my head. I haven't finished my cup of coffee yet. But as long as you haven't done that and and, you know, registered it as a subchapter s with IRS, then you're okay. That means everything's flowing through to you. You're actually the entity behind the LLC that's receiving the funds.
So Alright. It sounds like you're in good shape. Now I don't know if you have my email address. If but if you'll email the [email protected], I'll send you that form if you wanna see it. You may or may not wanna send it in since you haven't you haven't done anything with the IRS. And here's what I've I've seen is as soon as you file the tax form, whether it be in a business name or in your personal name, you've you've, elected to participate in their taxing system. Yeah. So your revocation of election on the personal side is you saying, hey. I'm I'm unvolunteering from this this process, and especially as a national.
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And I have to do that on as myself and the business?
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No. What I'm saying is since the business has not registered as a subchapter s with the IRS and you haven't filed a tax form on behalf of the LLC, then I don't think you need to do anything. You just all the money flows to you. Now did you create it? Doing what I'm doing. Right. Did you create a EIN number for the, for the LLC?
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Yeah. I had to to set up all my accounts to get, like, parts delivered and tires and all that. To be on the safe side, I would probably,
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fill out this registration form that I'm telling you about. And and you're basically telling the IRS, hey. The the you know, I'm the sole proprietor of this LLC in all ink, you know, all funds. I hate to say income, but all funds Yeah. Flow to you. And then if you're registering as a as a, national, and and revoking your personal election to pay taxes, then that should be a done deal.
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Mark? Keep you keep you keep that simple completely. Does it apply to the LLC that he can't be an officer, or is that to the subchapter s if he registered there? That that's the subchapter s. Okay. Yeah. Okay. One of them, Dave, if you're if you did have a subchapter s, you can't be a nonresident alien and be an officer of it. It's one of their rules. So you haven't done that yet? Good on you. Glad you called in early. We're able to nip some of this and and not have to go back and, undo it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Now Yeah. I'm glad that Now the other thing, Mark,
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that I was thinking of you in relation to what Dave said yesterday is he's got the whole thing running out of a house, in this LLC. Could he move that over? Would it be better structured to have it in a trust form?
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No. No. I would. Because, well, it really depends. Because if the business is inside of a trust and it's and it's making funds, it typically would create a a taxable event for the LLC. But since all the funds are coming to him directly, you know, but I I don't know if there's any You're
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breaking up there for a Did you say The way you put it as trust or not?
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I don't know that it would be an advantage
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to you. Yeah. So That was all another question I had in my head was, you know, researching trust and, you know, if that was gonna be a a better route to get over. What is the advantages
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is putting all the property, all your personal property into a trust. You put your cars in a separate trust. We're just about to go over this on our trust classes as as well. I give out a I give out a, very simple two page trust to our students to put all their automobiles, motorcycles, RVs, things that you're out there in the public, that creates a liability, we put it over in a separate trust. And here's the reason being is, when I I worked for a personal injury law firm in Las Vegas on a six month project, and we had a client come in and they got hit by a yellow taxi.
And as soon as the intake was done, the attorney come around, and he was telling everybody's working on this case, including myself, that we can only get 300,000. I'm like, why are you saying it's limited to 300,000? He said, because the yellow taxi company in Las Vegas puts every taxi every taxi in its own separate trust. And if that taxi is involved in an accident, they can't go after the company and the insurance maximum for that trust and that that particular car is 300,000.
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Wow.
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So you think of that the same way in in regards to you. Public that could be creative financial liability for you, you want that thing in its own separate trust. Now here's What type of trust would that be called? It's just it's just a, it's a private trust. I just called a vehicle trust. It's just a very simple, you can make it revocable, but that's not I don't like to do revocables because they can be busted if if they're, you know, if they wanna go after you really hard. A revocable trust can be challenged as far as its legitimacy. That's why I like an irrevocable trust.
That that really gives you much stronger protection. But it's just a separate standard trust. It's nothing nothing major. It allows you to transfer the vehicle in and out of the trust as needed. So, you know, if, if you wanna sell the car, you could sell the car and put another car in its place. So it's all how you word your trust. Now but here's the more more important part, is that you have your personal property, like your real estate and furniture and appliances and artwork and heirlooms and all that stuff needs to be in a in a a private trust, a family private trust.
And and then on your business, and I mean, if you got any kind of public business, you're you're, you know, it's not private. You're out here and you got the public who's coming doing business with you. If your business gets sued, you might have all your private property protected in a trust or multiple trust with your automobiles and so But your business property is at risk. So what you do there is you take all your equipment and you have that owned by a holding company, and then your LLC is basically leasing all of that that property or all the equipment that you're using to run your business with. So now if you get sued, and remember, anybody can get sued at any time for anything.
But whether they can make it stick is another story. But let's say they do sue you and they make it stick and you can't get it dismissed and and you're tied up in court. If you got all your personal properties in a trust and you've got all your business equipment being owned and held by a separate holding company, your LLC doesn't own anything and you don't own anything. Even if you lose at this point, then there's nothing for them to go get. This is how the wealthy people do this. They've got this all set up. And, fortunately, with today's technology, this doesn't have to be a a difficult thing to do.
So
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that Mark, can I throw a question?
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Just a This way, if you do lose a court case, now you're in the driver's seat of how you wanna settle it if you wanna settle it all. You know, in a if you settle it on your turn own terms, you can, you know, work up a agreement to settle it however you want to. Usually, it's by money of a certain amount that you both agree on. Or in a worst case scenario, you can just say, you know what? I'm not gonna pay it, and I'll just go file bankruptcy. You can just pull the rip cord. LLC can file bankruptcy. You can file bankruptcy, and there's nothing they can do about it.
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Mark, what about if he, if he, set up a PMA as another barrier and everybody that would be his customers would pay a dollar to join the PMA. Is that viable?
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Absolutely. I'm glad you brought that up. Absolutely. You could do that. I mean, we're we got our trust inside of a private membership association, a PMA. And so that, that allows us to to be able to conduct business privately. Excuse me. So, yeah, you could do that. You absolutely could do that. There are tremendous advantages. It stays private at that point. It wouldn't be any different than a a buddy bringing their car over and you working on it. Yeah. And you have a private agreement, you you don't if something goes wrong, you're not expecting your buddy to sue you. And in your private membership association, you can put that as a clause that, you know, we're not gonna sue each other. Mhmm. You might have to, include a way to to figure out any dispute with that that individual, but you could you could have them agree to be part of a private membership association.
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So just throwing ideas at you, Dave. Paul, what did you have to add here?
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Quick question. Oh. Or, actually, it's it's just a quick comment. The the one dot that Mark hadn't connected yet, I might as well do it, is if you have your LLC, and if you have your personal stuff, your family stuff, and a family trust, and they have the, LLC in a trust. And the holding company owns everything. If you declare bankruptcy and the LLC declares bankruptcy, guess what? The holding company still has all the assets that you used for your business. You can just simply open up another one and lease it Yep. From your holding company again. There's all kinds of little shifty ways,
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to deal with this stuff, Dave, and I think you you're fortunate you stumbled into a good information source. I'll give you that.
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Yeah. This is a lot of, that opens up a lot of doors for me. That's for sure.
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Good.
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And I I don't call it shifty, and I think I think Samuel really brought up a a good point, and I do agree with him, that we shouldn't need trust, and we shouldn't need this type of protection, you know, if we're honorable. And and I agree with that except for one problem. Other people are not honorable. Yep. Matter of fact, the Bible will tell you that most people are are just the opposite. They're they're born into sin, and and their general nature, unless they control it, is is to be evil and to figure out a way to take advantage of other people and make money off of them and everything else ugly. So if we lived in a in a perfect world where, you know, everybody was honorable and they followed the bible and and even some of the other religions, have some big things to talk about, you know, treating each other right, We wouldn't have to do this, but that's not the case. We got conniving individuals out there that if they see an opening to take advantage of somebody and make some money off of you, they'll do it.
They will do it.
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Yep.
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So I don't I don't call them shifty ways. I call them, very wise ways to protect ourselves.
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Yep.
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And and that the people were just basically maintaining those cars. Now they didn't come out and just say it that way, but they definitely stated that Michigan owned those automobiles if that they were registered in Michigan.
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Yeah. Was it an admission then? Yeah. Yeah.
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So, you know, it's a really good question about the the registration of the cars because it seems like you're handing over that ownership to the state when you get that car registered. Now if you get a bill of sale in one state and bringing that automobile into a different state and never register it, might be a different story. But I'm just telling you, you you don't really wanna go down this avenue of of not having a a license on your car, driving around without a driver's license. And unless that's your fight, man, if if God called you to fight that fight, then more power to you. You have my my support.
But for the average person, not interested in doing that.
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I I get it. I agree. Thank you, sir. You're welcome, Sheldon.
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Alright. Well, I guess we're near the top of the hour. I heard the whistler. We're gonna we're gonna bid adieu to Chicago. We're in Chicago today. Right, Paul?
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No. Actually, we're not. I'm I'm bringing systems back online. I think Roger has joined us again. I had, Internet outage, and it took out everything. So that's what happened. Apparently, the stream is back up. It was able to reconnect. I have not been able to reconnect to the remote computer yet, but I'm still working on that. So, Rog, you there? Alright. No problem. Roger? Hello, Roger? Yeah. I think you're muted. Okay. Alright. I gotta I gotta run to the other side of the the other side of the house to check and see what's going on with Roger.
[00:53:38] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you. All right. Well, let's carry on then. Any other maybe potential new listeners, that have a question about the national status or something along that area, I'd like to open up the phone. It's just us chickens here. So you're among friends and don't feel afraid to come online here and ask us a question or or even a comment if you've been studying this and maybe you've had an epiphany of about the national status. I know for me, it was the feudal system. And in our in the earlier discussion with Roger and Dave, you know, it's the feudal system.
That might be my new quote, Roger. It's the feudal system, stupid. Instead of it's the economy, stupid, it'll be it's the feudal system, stupid. But that is their angle for their jurisdiction is is that you've unknowingly agreed to be in that feudal system. That's a whole part of being a national is stepping out of that system. So that's kinda where I come from. That was my big epiphany when I was fairly new and listening to Roger and he talked about the feudal system and I threw my hands up and said, that's it. That is absolutely it.
And what was so empowering about that, I mean, I I stood up out of my chair and did a little happy dance because for me, that was the missing piece of the puzzle was when Roger talked about the feudal system, and it's voluntary. And check this out. If they say you can't be a national, they're violating the amendment against involuntary servitude. And whenever we have a government aids agency push back on whether we're a national or a US citizen, I throw that right in their face and they and they capitulate. They they back off and they give us what we want. And that's happened more than once.
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Okay. I, I was able to unmute Roger. Roger, you there?
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I'm here. I just saw that you, attached me there. So I'm here. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Well, I don't know. Kipi, it wasn't on my end this time. No. It wasn't on your end.
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My Internet, my Internet went dark for a few minutes. So Yeah. I'm Okay. I'm feverishly getting things reconnected here. I think we're pretty much running
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arc? Paul, did it go arc, or did it go ar?
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No. No. What it did was it went
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It went boom.
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Beat. Goodbye.
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Hey, Mark and Roger. Yeah. Who's talking? This is Mike up in Rhode Island. Hey, Mike. Your trust class. Hey. Alright. So so if if, there's a lullaby activity here and no no super new people, I'm pretty new. But, so the the gentleman from, from Kansas who brought it up again, their ROE. And, you know, with that subject, every time I think I I have it straight in my in my, stubborn head, it something comes up and it makes me go, Well, do I need to do that? So my understanding is once I've filed my affidavit, then I do my, notices, which I haven't done yet. I'm working on that to the to the IRS and such. Then unless I'm going back and looking for for refunds, then there's no need for me to do an refunds, then there's no need for me to do an ROE. Now if there is any benefit at all, I would still like to do an ROE just to, you know, hammer the nail as as hard as I can.
So if you could clarify all that, that would be very much appreciated.
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That that is unless something changes, that's my understanding from what I've looked at, from what I've seen, is that you only really need that revocation of election if you're going back and trying to get refunds for previous years. And I'm gonna state this again. Nobody that I've known in our group, except for, John, has got a refund for previous years. And we're waiting we're waiting on Dave in Alabama who was put in for a refund for for, I think, one or two previous years, and he accidentally filled out the wrong form. The year was wrong for the tax form you sent in, so he's having to redo it.
But outside of that, except for John who claimed that he got three years of sizable returns, which nobody can confirm, and, you know, he's the only one. But so far, I don't know if anybody outside of that has got a refund.
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Okay. I I've heard you say that. Would would you think even as a bit of redundancy or just a extra, you know, for sure make sure that goose is cooked kind of thing just to do some kind of ROE on top of noticing them after after after your affidavit? Is there any advantage or benefit of that?
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I don't know. It might be another layer of protection, but, I tell you what, since you're a member of our trust class, I'll be happy to to discuss that further with you. And and, if you wanna send in something to them to revoke that election, I'll be happy to help you with that.
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Okay. That that's that's great. I just thought, you know, I'm gonna bring it up on the show since I've I've heard it again, and then Dave just brought up ROE again. Yeah. I I Micah, I,
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I developed a one page revocation of election. That 13 page monstrosity that's floating around there, I mean, it's okay. It'll get the job done, but it's way overboard. It's it's it's, that was created by a, company, not a law firm, but just a company called Wise Paris. And they charge $1,500 for that 13 page document. Now there's others that have maybe modified that a little bit, and they're, you know, promoting that revocation of election, because they know that it's been used by wife's parents and it works. But I went through that with a fine tooth comb and narrowed it down to where I could put it what was necessary, only the necessary part on a one page revocation of election.
And, obviously, you can't charge $1,500 for a one page revocation of election. But Okay. Yeah. Since you're a member of our trust class and sometimes we go over tax stuff, just get with me, and I'll I'll help you with this one pager if you wanna do that. Some people say to do it once a year. I don't know. I don't know if there's an advantage to that or not or whether it's really necessary. I think it kinda depends on on, what you have going on tax wise.
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But, yeah, I'll help you with that. I'm a Great. Thank you. I I appreciate that. I I think I've seen a version of that or a couple versions of that floating around, and it makes all sorts of claims and and other things, which which sounds totally contradictory to the, you know, semi simplified approach that that Roger Roger teaches and such. So okay. Thank you very much. I'm gonna follow-up with you on that and Alright.
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If that helps. This is a guy that validated my family hereditament, Mark. So treating with kid gloves. Okay.
[01:01:38] Unknown:
Alright. Alright. Well Yes. So is that Larry? How was it when you're hold on just a What was it, when you're a member of something, you get special privileges? So, trust members, we we I don't say often, but we do sometimes go outside of what the trust discussions are. And so, you you know, you get some special privileges as a as a trust member.
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There you go. I'll just I'll just say we're we're all pretty. I was just gonna say we're all pretty lucky to be here. You guys are all very generous with your time and information, and and, I'm already privileged. So thank you very much.
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Thank you very much. Now was that Larry trying to say something
[01:02:24] Unknown:
something there? Yeah. Question for Mark. Mark, when you say that you've never heard of anyone getting their three years back except for John Garland, did did you also include that you've never heard of anyone that even received the, their withholdings back from the year that they became a national?
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No. Not if they put in for it, they'll get it back. No. We've been successful in that. We've had some large tax returns for people who put in for refunds for their current year when they become a national. That's not the problem. It's where they've already filed a normal ten forty a return, and they're trying to, what's the word?
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Amended. Amended. Thank you
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very much. They're trying to amend that return. I've not seen anybody get a refund from an amended return as a national. A full refund of everything. It's one thing to amend it for maybe some type of mistake with the original form. But to go from a ten forty a, which is a US citizen tax form, to a ten forty n r, which is a nonresident tax form, I have not seen anybody get a refund on that yet. I'm I'm I'll say yet.
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I'm still waiting to on my 2020 amended return at, you know, the NR business, Nancy. But I know I didn't file in 2021, so I did a $10.40 n r for that, and I did get that money that refund. So 2021. Was that, Nancy, that you got the refund? 2021.
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Okay. And then what was the other year that you haven't got a refund for?
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2020. Okay. So that was the previous year. Right. I did this over a year ago when we started doing it. Yeah. Right. Right. So it it was within the time the three year time limit Yeah. Of course, 2020 filing. Yeah. Yeah. So
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unless somebody can show me some evidence of them actually getting refunds from an amended refund as a ten forty n r, again, going from a ten forty a previous filing to a ten forty n r, then I I just I don't believe they received anything. That's just my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm waiting to be proven wrong.
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But Let's say that we haven't experienced the success we were thought and hoping that we would. And it's also very, very critical to understand for your new folks. The reason we're here is because of that right there, and that is because John found in the regulations with his skillful legal knowledge, manipulating the tax code and his addiction to it, found that they could get three years back when you change status. So what they did was they went out and started teaching it. The thing they did was, Mark, I guess you've heard this, was they sent the whole curriculum to the IRS Philadelphia service center and said we're gonna be going around the country teaching this. And if you or your, any of your employees would like to attend, if they'll show us their ID, we'll give them free entry and free class materials.
And the IRS wrote back and said, well, thank you very much. We'll turn this over to the education department, which they obviously did because in short order, they got raided by three offices, by three teams of CID with blocks at their heads. Right. So,
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Did did John and Gwen put that in writing anywhere about the three years?
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I I I don't know. If they did, I don't know where it was, and the IRS grabbed all of their files and everything on
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the computers. Would be willing to I wonder Glenn would be willing to have a little conversation on that.
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I I don't know. He's he really has tried to remove himself as far away from the tax stuff as him. So, anyway, he's gone in a spiritual direction. That's fine. Regardless, the few people that did this were in the Salt Lake City area because they were their students and friends out there, and they all got checks back. I don't know the process. I just don't remember. It's too long ago, and I was too green. My head was spinning. Just spinning Sure. Like that gal in The Exorcist, you know, at the end of that weekend. And, but I do know the few people did get large checks back, and they were waving them around. That inspired everybody, of course.
And then by the time I got in there and I was fairly early, k, in their six months deal. By the time I got in there, it was late July, early August or something. And, I got three $500 frivolous filing penalties. They were 500 at that time. So and from then on out, everything it wasn't but another month or two, and they raided the offices, and most of the people left. And those of us who stuck stuck around said, you know, they must got some they've got something of real substance here because the federal government doesn't act that fast for anything.
Maybe they're trying quell a quell a riot in LA with Trump in there or something. But generally, they are not speedy. And at the same time just a Larry. At the same time, there was a guy out there. I wonder if you remember this guy, Mark. Phil Marsh from the pilot society. Did you ever hear that before? Oh, I don't think I have. That's not familiar with me. Well, he was on ABC News one night, Friday night with Stone Phillips or Hararo or something like one of those guys gave him a whole hour, if I remember right, on untaxing people.
And so he was going around the country. He's the guy I saw, after I woke up. He was just the right we were very close to my house there in Atlanta at a meeting. And, so he put the word in the lexicon, untaxing. That was his contribution. He put a word in the lexicon and, because he was gonna go around and untax you. Well, they let him go for five years. See, here it was. They came and raided John and Glenn, I mean, within no time, Couple of months. Right. Right. They let him go on television and for five years because he wasn't teaching correct information.
And then they get all the people that respond to it. Now they got all of the dissidents in one big net. See? And I think Phil Marsh and his wife both, died in federal prison, I believe. So, there's a comparison. They let him him go for years and years and years, and John and Glenn and and we knew. I didn't know much, but I knew damn well they had I already knew they had something of substance, but I was totally convinced at that point. So, Larry, go ahead. Had to get that in there. I was just gonna ask Mark,
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so does he have any Mark, do you have any working theories as far as why you don't think, students are receiving their, refunds back from an amended return?
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No. We haven't heard anything back, Other than Dave accidentally using the wrong year for the form, we've just not heard anything back why why they're not honoring the amended tax return. So I'm guessing that there's probably some some kind of language or something in there that needs to be, requested or or informing the IRS to make that happen, but I don't know.
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Didn't, didn't do what recently somebody contacted their, quote, unquote, IRS representative or something, and the gal started yelling at them. Go, well, you're all going to jail. We've got a 100,000 of these things. Do you remember that call here recently? No. I didn't hear I don't recall that one. No.
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Well, that's supposedly of these things? No. That's what we were told to do. Tax?
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Yeah. Well, they had sent this, you know, I think. Yes. They called the IRS, and they got it. Some sort of an some agent started talking to him, and she was screaming and going, you're all going to jail. We've got a 100,000 of these things sitting back there. Now I don't know any more than what we were told. Okay? But that is good for a laugh. Wow.
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That is. That is. I and and that's the other thing too. I've I've got, an acquaintance, that, is a national, and they every so often, their heart gets struck with fear thinking that the IRS is gonna kick down their door, put handcuffs on them and drag them out. And I'm like, no, it doesn't work like that. It does not work like that.
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There's a whole bunch of administrative process. They wish it did, but it doesn't.
[01:11:42] Unknown:
No. No. It doesn't work like that. Then that's what you call admiralty law. As Roger, you you tell everybody that's I kick your butt and take everything you got. Yeah. But no, there's an administrative process that you go through. And if you go through that administrative process, and they say you owe a tax, you better pay that tax and then continue to fight it. But you got to exhaust your administrative remedies. You just can't sit back and ignore their letters. And then if push comes to shove and they still say you owe a tax and they give you a final assessment, you better pay that tax and you can continue your fight.
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Because see, we can't fight them. Happen, Roger. You can't take them to court unless the tack and that's true. We you can't take them to court unless the tax has been paid. Go ahead, Mark. Right. And that's what that's what I've also told people, be very careful, you know, especially the your time out of the gate,
[01:12:42] Unknown:
you know, you you you get a a refund back. You may not wanna go spend that. You may wanna stick it in a in a savings account. And if anything, you know, push comes to shove, you're getting challenged on it. You got the funds to pay the tax instead of having to, you know, work out some kind of settlement agreement or whatever. You know? But Put it in the middle. So far, we we haven't had anything like that happen. No.
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Kinda beds at least. They're threatening. The latest round is the, CP 59 letters. I got another email on it yesterday. Yes, Paul. Do.
[01:13:18] Unknown:
I think what's going on is there is a difference between filing a ten forty n r for your current tax year and getting that money back and Yes. Filing something outside the normal process stream on how the IRS processes returns. Now if you're just doing an NR for your current tax year, that goes through the existing system that they have in place, and it's mostly automated, and it's fairly efficient. But if you're changing from a ten forty a to a ten forty x or a ten forty n r, forcing them to go back in history and pull out a refund. That's a completely different process stream that Yeah. They're just not set up for. Certainly not to deal with a 100,000 unexpected ten forty nRs.
Certainly not. So that's, I think, where the hiccup is in getting the previous tax years back. Could be. My my feeling is when I got these parasites
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off of me, I I could have gone back. They took $5,000 more than I owed them, and then they had the audacity. Mark, did I ever tell you this? They had the audacity to write me a letter and say, well, we took an extra 5,000 for taxes we think you might owe in the future. You ever heard of that before? No. Son of a son of a bitches. Well, I I could have gone because now the tax had been paid, they'd seized it at my house closing. I could have gone back and challenged them on that. I probably could have got that money back, but I was so happy to have these parasites off my body that I said, you you just keep your stinking funds. I'm going about my life free from here on out, and I don't want you in it. And they've never been in my life, and I've never heard from them since.
[01:15:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. I, it it's just rather fascinating to me, though. It's just we haven't had the the blowback like what people are scared about. And we hear the horror stories. They always come out. January 1, you know, talk about all these, quote, tax dodgers, and and they they talk about how how they were arrested, put in jail, and so on and so And it that goes all the way up to April 15. And then all of a sudden, the stories go away. You know? And what we've learned from the, the latest, Doge reports and and so is the government and the FBI and the CIA have been working hand in glove with these, media agencies. I call them the the dying legacy media, all the top main television stations.
You know, they're given the stories to run, and they get paid by the government to run those, propaganda pieces. So, you know, it's, I just, so appreciative that we we really got the answer to this dilemma. And even though, like I said, my mentor, Dan Metter, back in 2001 well, 1999 through 2003 when he passed away, you know, he'd written an article about the national status. He felt like that was the key, but we didn't know how to officially declare that status. Yep. And that's Roger. You you have the linchpin on that. I call it Yep. I call it the holy grail. Last night on our on our on our trust class, I was I was talking about, you know, there's a lot of concern inside using a trust in creating a taxable liability.
Well, guess what? If you're a national, you don't have to worry about those tax liabilities any longer. And if your beneficiaries, they're nationals, they don't have to worry about it either. If they receive property out of the trust, once it's executed, then they they don't have any tax concerns either. I'm just saying this this once you wrap your mind around this whole national status, it's so empowering and so liberating. It's amazing. I just I don't know how else to explain it other than it's really the holy grail and what the tax movement has been seeking.
But, unfortunately, those people are still wrapped up in patriot mythology, and they just can't get away from it. You know? And I repeated that same stuff, Roger. When I found Dan Meador, they were talking about Admiralty Law. Now not as much Dan. He was into the jurisdiction. He was going by law books, and he understood the the federal jurisdiction overlaying the the the separate states. Now it's almost like one. It's like it's like the the actual sovereign state is no longer there. Small s state, right? One of the many states that make up The United States Of America. It's almost like they're not even there anymore.
Right. They make up the nation, smallest state. It's like they're not there anymore, and you got this big, heavy federal jurisdiction imposing its will over everything by giving federal money out. Yes. So as soon as you take your hand out, there's always strings attached for the state. They either got to, you, assert a new tax or they've got to they've got to do something that helps empower the federal government over that state or its people. I yield.
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Paul? It's something that I meant to mention earlier. When we were talking about the international building code, yes, they've been rolling that out for some time. And what they do is through financial incentives, they talk the local legislators and the local, town boards and councils into adopting the international building codes and incorporating them into their local building code. So it's not that they're applying the international building code. They're adopting it and making it their own. So the only so it's completely legal. There isn't anything that we could do about it other than replace those people that are in power, that are in office for the local jurisdictions, the local areas, replace those people with people that believe in state sovereignty and will remove the international building code adoption
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and revert back to the code that existed beforehand. And there was one. Trust me. Just like I say, there's not we don't have a paper filing. We're not where we are because of lack of people filing papers. We're here because of lack of education and understanding. Now remember, these are all UN generated initiatives, and they all do basically what Paul said. They've got the thing corrupted all the way down to, in many instances, even the county level. And so but, instances, even the county level. And so but they've got to apply it administratively, and that administrative has got to have residents and people they can apply it to. And so once we do this, my understanding, you're And so once we do this, my understanding, you're out of that anyway. Now the battle may be let's say you wanna build a house. You don't wanna get a license.
So, one of the things that they probably could do is not allow the power company come hook you up power or something like that, but you may could fight that. You know? But it's just an education problem, and all politics is local. And that's where I do encourage you to think about voting and setting up a way to vote for your local elections. You don't have to fill in the president VP, and that, folks get out and get proactive with what we're doing, because what we've got is very powerful. Now when it's thrown in front of some of these folks, it's hard for them to get their arms around it, but we're in the right ear and on very solid lawful footing. Paul said that was all legal. Correct? Well, we're on lawful and legal footing. Who's somebody got their, cash register working there in the background?
Yeah. Right there.
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Area code 830, something like that.
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830. You're processing some noisy things. Could you hit the mute, please? I can do it. Alright. Paul's gonna have to do it. Hello? Hello? Yes, sir. Hello? Hey, Bob?
[01:22:09] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Bob. Hey, Bob. This is Bob. Something that Mark's comments, which I agree with entirely brought to mind, the idea of the individual states being, homogenized into one entity. Yeah. Is what you have brought forward on the and amendment, singular and plural. Yep. Their and its. Yep. If you wanted to elaborate on that, that's what it brought to mind.
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Yep. Yep. I swear. You know? Just so you know, students, I mean this up. There is t h e I r Yes. There?
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Correct. Yes. Yes. Okay.
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Go ahead. The the the amendment talks about their, jurisdiction being the states individually, and the close at hand, not many years later, talks about its.
[01:23:05] Unknown:
I mean, in the federal government. And the there is at the end of the amendment and the then it is in the sentence of the So they're right there staring you in the face. Appropriate.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I yield.
[01:23:19] Unknown:
Yep. You see it all over the place when you know what you're looking for. If you don't Roger, can you expand on that? Right over it. Not sure if I'm tracking what Bob's saying. Can you He's saying it's very clear about the you're saying that the individual characteristic of the state has been veneered over by the big federal blob. K? Oh, right. And he's drawing that over and illustrating it in the constitution with at the end of the amendment, it says their jurisdiction. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude unless a person has been duly convicted of crime, blah blah blah, and their jurisdiction. So there's plural, obviously, for the k. States. And you didn't have a amendment for another six months. Okay?
And so then they get the amendment passed, and there it is subject to the singular, the jurisdiction thereof. So, there's your comparison. There's the two, there's the two countries or types of government at the bar that John Harlan talked about in, in that great case, Downes v Bidwell in nineteen o one. Okay. You ever heard that that site out of Downes v Bidwell, Mark? I'm sure you have. Right?
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What was the lady from Downes?
[01:24:40] Unknown:
I don't it just go to here. I'll tell you where you can find it real easy. Go to Wikipedia k. Believe it or not k. And go to, Downs v Bidwell, d o w n s. Downs was one of the what they call the insular cases. There was a bunch of cases like the slaughterhouse cases where it was over in the other part of the world where we were messing around at that time, Spanish American war and all that. And, they clumped them all together and called them the insular cases. Down's is one of them. And if you'll read down look down that page at Wikipedia a little ways, they'll have the site out of there that I would love for you if you've not ever seen this, particularly you.
I'd love to have you read that to the audience.
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It's just down a little bit I'm not sure which one it is. I'm looking at I'm looking at Wikipedia. Downes is d o w n e s versus d period Bidwell, b I d w e l l. Okay. They give the case sign, the Supreme Court decision. Oh, here's it's become known as the as one of the insular cases. Background, Supreme Court in Dilemma Dilemma versus Bidwell had decided the that ever since Puerto Rico had been acquired by The United States from Spain in the Treaty of Paris 08/1898, normal cuss customs levied on imports from foreign countries did not apply to imports from Puerto Rico.
The decision
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I'm not It'll get to the site. It's just it starts out like we have two types of government at the bar. Now the important let me give you some background. It says
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it's under the decision. It says the idea prevails.
[01:26:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Thank you, man. Ideas have been used in court cases? Yeah. Let me, give you this background if you don't know. The author of what Mark, hopefully, is gonna find and read for you here is, judge John Harlan, one of the better judges we've ever had on the Supreme Court in the history of the country. So much so that he had his own nickname, and they called him the great dissenter. And and his son followed him on the supreme court bench, by the way. He's from Kentucky. And, he wrote the dissent in Plessy v Ferguson. He wrote the dissent along with Fuller in Wong Kim Ark, and here he is again. So you got it?
Read it if you would. Alright. Now we had somebody who's trying to chime in there. I didn't Well, we blocked him before Well, let's let's read it, and then we can get it. How's Julie? Yeah. It was Julie, and there was so let him read this, and we can discuss it afterwards. There's probably some of the audience hadn't heard this before. This is do you wanna talk about you'll see how brilliant this judge was and why he was so celebrated from this paragraph that Mark's about to read you here.
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Why he was hated? So this says one of the two dissenting opinions was written by justice John Marshall Harlan, h a r l a n, who would have held that Congress was always bound to enact laws within the jurisdiction of the Constitution. Quoting, this nation is under the control of a written constitution, the supreme law of the land, and the only source of powers which our government of it may exert at any time or at any place. He held, I'm talking about Justice John Marshall Harlan, he held that Congress had no existence and thus had no authority outside of the Constitution.
He continued, and here's his quote that Roger's alluding to, the idea prevails with some indeed it has expression in its arguments at the bar that we have in this country substantially two national governments. One to be maintained under the constitution with all its restrictions, the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument. By exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to. I take leave to say that if the principles thus announce announced past tense should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system will result.
We will, in that event, pass through the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by the written constitution, into an era of legislative absolutism. It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside of the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the constitution.
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Oh, I forgot to tell you he was a prophet too.
[01:30:11] Unknown:
And what does congress have exclusive jurisdiction over?
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Yep. DC Territories, Puerto Rico, part of the Insular case.
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Yeah.
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And all they did was they put up you where you've had an opportunity to be put into a fraudulent position of voluntary servitude to the constitutional. And then later on, they ask you the questions, and, you always answer yes and sign something. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Mark ought to know what he is, shouldn't he?
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I'm a free man.
[01:30:51] Unknown:
There you go. I am. I actually one of our listeners brought that quote to us one day. I was not familiar with it. It is brilliant to the point, not one wasted word, and it really illustrates the brilliance of John Harlan and where his sentiments lay. Now, Julie Yeah. Were you from have you heard that before?
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Hi. No. I was just, I was gonna say something, but I I read along with Mark what he said. And, what I was just gonna add to that was that it's interesting here. He says on here in the aftermath that the concept of territorial incorporation is that The United States can be proprietor of a territory without having actually incorporated that territory into The United States. Okay. And And guess what
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Yep. Yep. Go ahead. I'll add mine. Go ahead. What you gotta finish?
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Nope. That's it. And then it just basically says that unincorporated territories are not dual full benefits to the US constitution. It's The United States' decision above.
[01:31:55] Unknown:
Let's Mark, let's get our little crystal ball. Fired up real good, make sure the transistors are good. What, what year was, Downsy Bidwell? Nineteen o one. I think. O one? Yeah. What year was American Samoa Incorporated district federal government? How about nineteen o one?
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Oh, wow. Well, the that section and I I would invite everybody to go read this. It's not very long. But if you go to wikipedia.com, and then in their search box, type in downs, d o w n e s, then space, v as in verses, and a period. So it's b period Bidwell, b I, d as in David, w e l l. It'll bring it right up. And it's a short read, but it's really excellent. The part that Julie was talking about is really telling because it's talking about the I the aftermath is the section. The idea of a territorial incorporation is generally agreed to have arisen from Justice White's concurring decision noted above, incorporation, and they put that in quotes, in this sense does not refer to the legal process whereby a company takes on certain of the characteristics of a person.
So it says, see, incorporation. The concept of territorial incorporation is that The United States can be a proprietor of a territory without having actually incorporated that territory into The United States. Now notice it doesn't say United States Of America. Right. It says United States. Well, yeah. Unincorporated territories are not unincorporated territories are not due the full benefits of the US Constitution as noted from Justice White's decision above. The idea has been used in court cases ever since to affirm that citizens of certain territories can be subject to the laws and regulations that are not constitutionally applicable to other citizens of The United States.
Many citizens of territories that have been designated unincorporated have seen the principle of territorial incorporation as a form of oppression.
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And they took the opposite of that and incorporated it into the system looking far ahead. Remember, they didn't change America the Nash state citizen to national till 1940, but they unincorporated brought American Samoa in in nineteen o one knowing all these things from these court decisions. They were working thirty years ahead. They knew they took American Samoa and did it the opposite of as opposed to what they didn't want. They gave them their total freedom. So they could call them nationals, noncitizens, so they are not citizens of that district of Columbia, and hide us under the same moniker, national, behind them.
We're dealing with some really sophisticated people, folks. You long noses Roger. And little hat bastards that are listening, we got your ass, though. And we're coming for you eventually. Someday, the truth's gonna catch up with you. Yes. Who was that right there?
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That's Dave. You know, I learned about that Downes v Bidwell through our Michigan assembly, and that's where they divide the de facto from the du jour with that site that site in that case, where see, that site, I believe I've read or had read to me that somewhere in there that, justice divides the du jour and de facto by the the du jour has no one sitting in it. They're all in the de facto side, and the Michigan assembly started to refill that de jure side. And the, you know, the the people in the assembly, there you know, we have elections, and we vote each other into those those vacant offices and just hold the seat until the can, you know, reestablish itself in America.
And, you know, when basically, they say that when the de jure rises, the de facto must be seated. They've read that, you know, to us. I don't know if that's exactly what Uh-huh. You know, that's in there, but somebody read it to us at the assembly years ago. And, you know, we actually, you know, have annual elections for You're like You know, we don't call them senators and we're you know, we have the different names, but we have a call quarterly, for the elected, you know, assemblymen and women. And we just are there, you know, and holding those seats
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until we can refill them, you know, with elections nationally. Well And I And so what John Ainsworth had that going up in North Carolina, similar for, hell, more than at least twenty or more years. I'm not sure what's on with it now, but he was involved in that for a long time. Never got any blowback to my knowledge. He and I, when we crossed paths, he was not he on our amendment, it was never legally ratified, all that. Well, you you can't argue with somebody like that. So we didn't cross paths, again. But later on, I heard he had changed his mind and was adopting the amendment approach theory, which is everything's got to because it revolves around that. Everything revolves around that sentence of that amendment.
Ratified or not, it's been implemented, and the whole system is built off of it. And you're not gonna go in and tell any of these people it wasn't legally ratified and have them recognize you and undo it. That ain't gonna happen. K? Just don't be don't be I don't mind you dreaming, but don't be an idiot. K? Hey, Raj. Yes. Naive, I guess. Yes, Paul.
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They're not going to allow an unwinding of the amendment Of course not. Because all they have to do is claim national security, and then they can sidestep any law and make any proclamation, declaration, or claim that they want to for the good of the whole.
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It doesn't matter what excuse they use. It ain't happening. K? So, now let's see. Anybody got any comment on any of this stuff right here? You had never seen that? Oh, yes. I thought yes, sir.
[01:39:03] Unknown:
Yeah. I I heard, Newsom this morning on national radio say that, you know, Trump bringing in the troops is a danger to our democracy.
[01:39:14] Unknown:
Yeah. So yeah. I know. All these idiots,
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I don't know if they really believe that's what we have as a democracy, and it is a danger to their democracy. They we do have a democracy. You know, we live in the republic, but they live in that democracy. Well And when the republic rises, it's a definite danger to their democracy. Can I play Voltaire?
[01:39:37] Unknown:
Can I play Voltaire for a minute with you, Dave? Before we discuss? Let us define our terms. What definition are you imputing into the word democracy? Because I can tell you the one they are. The one they are is the lack of lack.
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Go ahead. Go ahead. Lack
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of lack of opposition. Report
[01:40:02] Unknown:
I'll shut up, Dave. Go ahead. Alright, guys. You're really, really gonna have to respect the delay and just calm down and not talk over everyone. Well You're just gonna have to. Well, Roger, because you go ahead, I figured it's time to go ahead. So I'll use Well,
[01:40:18] Unknown:
there's a two second delay there with this sound improvement. It's an answer. Just a half second. With. But it's enough. Alright. Half second. It's enough to cause situations like that. They're using their definition of democracy. They're just not telling you what it is. Their definition is lack of opposition to communism. There you go. Their definition.
[01:40:45] Unknown:
Yeah. That's too funny too. And I know that the real definition of of a democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner, and we know what the outcome of that is.
[01:40:57] Unknown:
Every time. Mark, are you not familiar with that down site? That's a powerful
[01:41:03] Unknown:
site. I've I'd spent a long time since I've, you know, I I maybe heard somebody talk about Downes v Bidwell, but, you know, the real the real education I learned is from another, scholar, of the law. But what he did when he got looking at law is he said the real information is not in the opinions of these courts. The real information is the briefs that are submitted to the court that they're basing their opinions on. Yep. And so what he would do is before the advent of the Internet, he he had a, one of these jobs where he'd make a lot of money in a short period of time. And and then they only had a season for that that type of work.
He'd make a bunch of money working his butt off and then he would go research and he would go to the, national archives and you get copies of these briefs and these decisions. And that's where the real information's at. And I love it because what you're looking at generally are thousands of dollars worth of information that some attorney was paid to put on paper. And it's publicly accessible. Unless it's a sealed case, you can go get the briefs from the and I would recommend you get both both sides of the brief and read them and compare them.
And you can really see the you'll and you'll get course you'll get court cases that you can cite in your own cases.
[01:42:52] Unknown:
So that's where the real powerful information is at is in the briefs that were submitted to the court. By Yield. And I'll tell you where one of the real lacking areas of our community is, they always read the affirmative opinion and not the dissent, I e, on Kim Ark, where the whole feudal system is tied to the amendment right there in the dissent with not only the same John Harlan on that dissent, but also the chief justice, Fuller, of the Supreme Court on it also. So those are wise words from Mark. Yep. And, you can go and you could even probably read the amicus jury briefs along with the regular, combatants, if you will. Yeah. So, anybody else got anything? One of them Yeah. Go yep. Go ahead, Mark.
[01:43:43] Unknown:
I'm just saying one of my, epiphany moments was we would go hang out, as part of Richard Kornforce, study group, and we go to the Oklahoma City University Law Library. Oklahoma City University is a private college, and they had a very well respected law school there. And so they had a great law library. I mean, amazing. It was like four stories. And, they had one wing on the First Floor that you walk into, and it was nothing but all the major law articles and reviews from different universities across the country. Mhmm. And one day I was I walked in and I was trying to think, well, where am I gonna go? And I'm looking at all this expanse. I mean, a whole wing of this library that was nothing but law review journals from all the top law colleges, law schools in The US. And I was like, oh, my gosh, it hit me. You know how much money and resources were spent to create these books that will educate me, and I have access to all of it.
And I was just it kind of floored me at the moment. I was like, wow. All this small access. Sitting in this one lane Yeah. Is crazy.
[01:45:05] Unknown:
You probably had access to Lexus, Nexus, and Westlaw in there too.
[01:45:10] Unknown:
Well, I didn't I didn't with them, but I could have. I didn't really Uh-huh. Was looking for it at that time. Later, yeah, later, they pretty much have brought all this on electronically. So a lot of those books, matter of fact, I, caught them when they were getting rid of their, the US code and their Oklahoma statutes and book form. And I was, I had a little cavalier car at that time, one of the Chevy cavaliers with a hatchback. And I said, you know, I'm part of this study group, and I was. I wasn't I wasn't lying. And, you know, we we often refer to, you know, looking at Oklahoma statutes and the US code. And I was wondering if unless you got somebody that wants them, I you know, I'd like to have them all. They were giving away books at a time. Well, it's kind of a whole set unless you're studying some area of law specifically.
Mhmm. So it's all categorized according to the sections of, to the areas of law, like whether it be agriculture or transportation, those are in different books. Right? Mhmm. And I said, you know, if unless they're spoken for, I I would like to have all the books. They said, oh, well, let me make a call. So I don't know who they called and they come back and said, you're welcome to take them all. I took all of the Oklahoma statutes. There you go. My little car was squatted down
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in the rear end driving down the road.
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But we had a full access to all the statutes at that time because I believe it's every year they update those books. Yeah. And that's the other thing too. Back then, you'd have what is called pocket parts. So Right. When they come out of those books during the year, this is what you learn in a paralegal school when we get into legal research and writing. During the year they come out with new decisions that could overturn some of these old decisions. And so you would look in the back of the book there'd be literally a pocket and they'd have like a loose printing not without binding there's no it's just stapled together of other decisions through the year through that year that came out that have not been published in the physical hard copy book yet. And so you always want to go back and see if there's a pocket part and review that pocket part for any new cases.
So, yeah, it's there's quite an art to legal research and, I'm so glad. I'm so glad that I was able to go through formal schooling on all that stuff. And, you know, other people that just they don't they don't grasp the power that they have. And now it's all online. There's only one thing that I can't do, easily, and that's what's called shepardizing a case because, you know, cases from time to time will get overturned. Roe v Wade is a famous one on the abortion. Good good example. You know? Well, that was overturned. Well, if you didn't know the case has been overturned, how are you supposed to find out? Used to. You had to go through a physical book and find that case.
In that case, that book those books, shepardized books, were updated usually on an annual basis as well. You had to go look up that case in the book and it would tell you if it's been overturned. Has there been another opinion that come out from a court that is negative against that decision or that that case? And so you had to go physically look at that. Well now with LexisNexis and Westlaw, boom, it'll do it immediately for you. So that's the only part about using Google Scholar that I struggle with is whether that case has been shepardized or not. I yield.
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Mar, the book covering that in the old days was Shepherd's Touchstone on shepardizing case Oh, there you go. Cases. I was gonna ask you if you had heard me say I saw, Tom Rentz, on Alex last week one day, interviewed him for an hour or so. You know who he is? That attorney from, Cleveland area, Ohio? No. I don't I don't think I'm familiar with him. Well, he's real he's real sharp. He came to the forefront a lot of bunch in COVID and and working with a lot of whistleblowers and this, that, and the other. Anyway, a very good attorney and, one one of the good guys. And he said the other day on Alex, they were talk came to AI, and he said, I with AI, I can do the work of five attorneys.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I thought that was very interesting productivity wise.
[01:49:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Same here. I mean, I I find myself, being able to pull resources a lot quicker using AI than for me to go out and research it. Now you still need to have an idea whether it's right or not. You know, it it it you can't just blindly follow whatever AI tells you. But, you know, you you could research it, but it could pull what I call large language models, LLM. Yep. And you could it just it saves you so much time. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, I I lean on that. And, of course, I've told the story a few times, and it really does bear, you know, rementioning about, one of my, acquaintances, training two bots. Now it took him over six months.
He would teach him about using ethics and logic and so and then got into the law, but he trained two different bots, AI bots, to compete against each other in law. And so he would ask his bot that was on his side, to produce something like a memorandum of law. And then he would take that memorandum of law, memorandum of law, upload it to the other bot who was the opposition. And he's feeding these documents, digital, of course, into these bots, and they were fighting back and And he could get it down to the point where he knew if he he could win ultimately or not.
And he was giving them fits in the court. Because he would he would keep going at it until his bot won, and the other bot couldn't overcome his argument. And he knew he had a winning argument, and he was just tearing up the court. And he and he was just he's not an attorney. He was just representing himself in court. A smart guy.
[01:51:55] Unknown:
Good. That's a very interesting approach. Julie, you got something quick? We're about to hear the whistler.
[01:52:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I was just gonna say that, what Mark is talking about is really good using the AI. It was so resistant at the beginning, but the other thing you need to know is that you need to challenge these AI because sometimes what they do scour from the Internet is not correct or they miss That's right. Component. And so Mhmm. I was, yesterday, I was doing something on Grok, and it was legal related, Mark, and I can't remember. I meant to bring it up to in this class last night. And I said to Grok, that's wrong. You forgot this. And Grok came back and said, I I stand corrected. You're you're right on that. And it added something else. So you need to, like I said, challenge it and ask it where it's getting its data and its source of information from, before you accept what they come back what the AI comes back with as a, answer.
I use it. Well said. Good,
[01:52:54] Unknown:
good, suggestion there. Thank you, Jules. Hello? Somebody ask Thomas? Something in here. Yeah. It's Mark. Quick, Mark.
[01:53:02] Unknown:
Right. For Mark and everyone, Tom Renz. It's r e n z, and there's links in both chats. Thank you, Murray. He put some good links over in the,
[01:53:12] Unknown:
chat box. Thank you. Yeah. Watch a little bit of him, Mark. He's real sharp. He's one of the good guys. Okay? Go like him. So, anyway, here we come to the end of another program, this one on, June. And, hopefully, if, I don't know, somebody didn't press the red button, we'll be here tomorrow again at the same time, the same place, and we'll see what technically challenges us tomorrow, because you never know these days, do you, Paul? So thank you for spending your time with us. And if you you or your friends wanna get out from under, Revelation two and three nine, the fake Jew slavery, we're here to help you. Come say hello, and we'll get you free.
See you soon, you little freedom seekers.
[01:54:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Thanks thanks so much for making sure that you're hiccup.
[01:54:06] Unknown:
Always no problem. Always good to, not your fault. Always good to have you on board, Mark. So thanks.
[01:54:14] Unknown:
My pleasure. It's good to be here.
[01:54:17] Unknown:
Yeah. So, I think that probably ends us. Yeah. We probably
[01:54:22] Unknown:
on one. Might have dropped off at Eurofolks an hour ago when the stream went down. I think the system automatically grabs something out of mothballs Yeah. And hits the ground running. But, Global Voice Network did come back.
[01:54:39] Unknown:
So Okay. So All good. Well, we got it used to be Paul had a something in there. When when it did that, it would defer dead air would defer to classical music out of Italy or something. Yeah. It was actually kinda nice. Okay. Mhmm. So, everybody good. One more. Glad you're here. Yeah. One more reminder. The Yes, ma'am.
[01:55:02] Unknown:
The bankruptcy in '33, the receivers, decided to call this a democracy. So, technically, it is a democracy.
[01:55:12] Unknown:
Yeah. Uh-huh. And they've been striving for communism ever since. Alright. Well, if nobody's got anything for me, I'm gonna take off and get some things done. It's a beautiful day it's turned into, and, that's a pleasant change. So I hope you guys have a nice one wherever you are, and, keep a thumb on your local area if you're near a city on which, riots are going on. You know what's going on Saturday. Right? It's Trump's birthday. It's the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the army, and it's, Juneteenth,
[01:55:48] Unknown:
all the same day. It's flag day. It's flag day.
[01:55:52] Unknown:
That too. Okay? So it's a a a myriad of celebratory events, going on, and, we'll see how bad they disrupted. Yes, Paul?
[01:56:03] Unknown:
So so Saturday is when I should, hoist the old 48 star flag I got from Sheldon.
[01:56:11] Unknown:
That'd be a good day to do it. Yeah.
[01:56:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Sure. Well, I got a Yeah. I got a peace flag too.
[01:56:20] Unknown:
But I have to talk about it. Guards and guards. Yeah. Display it display it upside down since we're in distress.
[01:56:27] Unknown:
Yeah. There you go. Some of these protesters are doing that. You know, they got pissed off at them because they were carrying the Mexican flags and making it so, so totally, transparent to the American public who who was doing it. And so they sent out through Reddit and said take American flags. Some of them said turn it upside down. And I guess y'all heard, I hope, Trump is talking about passing a law or anyone, caught burning the flag is just one year mandatory jail sentence. Now that would be interesting. Yep.
They'll they'll fight it every way, but yeah. Well, it won't work. Anyway, I I gotta applaud That's already gone up to the US Supreme Court. Yes. I know. And said it was free speech. Well, maybe maybe it's a different court, and they'd rule differently. Don't know. A lot a lot of this pride stuff is fading though quickly. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's gone. It's not fading. It's just gone. You don't see it anywhere. And, there's something else I was gonna say, and I guess I forgot it. So Sorry. So that must mean something. It means I'm too old. It's lunchtime. That's what that means. That's what probably means that too, a a a malnourishment of my of my synapses.
So, we'll all see y'all tomorrow. Mark will look for you on Saturday, I guess.
[01:57:50] Unknown:
Alright.
[01:57:51] Unknown:
And don't forget, the the rainbow flag is actually the Noahide flag.
[01:57:58] Unknown:
Is isn't it don't they have it turned upside down? It's not the rainbow colors. It's the rainbow colors upside down, I think. Right?
[01:58:06] Unknown:
Well, kind of. But I I'm just saying this is a subterfuge. You know? They're basically saying you're conquered by Noahide.
[01:58:15] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, not yet. We're not. So, anyway, screw them. We'll see you all tomorrow. Thank you for everything. Thank you, Richard. Okay, Mark. You too. Oh, by the way, I think I wrote you. I got Paul, I got an order through a magicJack, and it's already shipped to my mule. So that problem Cool. Appears to be out of the way, and we'll, talk. I think she's coming back the eighteenth. Last call. Cool.
[01:58:43] Unknown:
Yep. I ordered I ordered mine over two weeks ago. I still don't have it.
[01:58:49] Unknown:
Well, I've already gotten an e I've gotten an email that mine already shipped. I ordered it Sunday. Yeah. So Well Alright.
[01:58:56] Unknown:
I'd bug them. I'll have to check into that.
[01:58:59] Unknown:
Apparently, they ship mine from Mars.
[01:59:02] Unknown:
Okay. Good deal. Yours and Elon's. Yep. By the way, I got to see Elon's father yesterday. They had a big two day conference in Russia, and they teleported some of these folks, Alex Jones included, to speak to the, gathered crowd of dignitaries. And, one of these speakers was Elon's daddy. And he was quite interesting, very, very interesting looking fellow.
[01:59:30] Unknown:
So, anyway He's a very creepy guy, and and this is why Elon said he had a very horrible childhood. And I don't know if you're familiar with the ritual of blasphemy that he and others went through at the age of 12.
[01:59:45] Unknown:
I don't know anything about that. I know I saw him on this stage yesterday, and he came off real good. So, that's all I know, Murph. Okay. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Ciao. Adios.
[01:59:59] Unknown:
Take care. Dis despicable people. Ever gonna speak?
[02:00:05] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:00:06] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:00:08] Unknown:
Despicable people often,
[02:00:11] Unknown:
appear Which reminds me. I signed back in because you were talking about Bill Cooper, but you didn't come back. So that's good for that. Yeah. I did. Oh, you did too. We're talking about 03:00 in the morning for me folks. So I waited a little bit, and I didn't see you. And I thought, well, this is stupid. I shouldn't be signing back in at 03:00 in the morning. I didn't I didn't know I'd gotten knocked off, and then I looked and saw, and then I went back in, and you were gone. And about time too. Yeah. But that was interesting what you were talking about there. I remember you got the last word in for a change.
[02:00:51] Unknown:
What, part did I cut off at?
[02:00:56] Unknown:
I just remember we were talking about Bill Cooper and, some of the language, I guess, he used in his programs.
[02:01:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, there was this one. It was in the ten minutes, and, he got really ticked. And he said, and if you don't like it, f you, and slammed and slammed the phone down.
[02:01:22] Unknown:
And
[02:01:24] Unknown:
Yeah. It was done for the evening. It was probably when he was drunk.
[02:01:30] Unknown:
Oh, well, Alex Jones claimed he was a drunk, so I don't know.
[02:01:37] Unknown:
Well, he I get I think he was.
[02:01:39] Unknown:
It could be. I don't know. And I think there's a whole lot of stuff. X lax Hicks claimed that's not true, but, anyway, I yield.
[02:01:50] Unknown:
You guys gonna have a floor again.
[02:01:56] Unknown:
I'm just trying to figure out where we can go to follow that. I don't know. Often, despicable people appear to be very, very humble and wonderful to the general public. It's only those people that are close to him know exactly how evil they are. That's
[02:02:22] Unknown:
my Yeah. Experience. One of these guys that came out of this, you know, this system, network, Illuminati, Luciferian Brotherhood, whatever you wanna call it, and was reveal revealing in an interview, that he, you know, between the ages of, like, 13 and 16, they get really, really, you know, after all the training and stuff they go through and it's torture involved and everything, and they were getting really pushy to get this kid to stay in the system and become one of the, I guess, teachers, they call them. And, he was at some points on Epstein's Island, which was, I guess, pretty efficiently run and everything. And, basically, only saw Epstein in passing kind of, and I think he's back out there running the island. But in any case, he said, that Alondra, this guy, and he's a Jew, and, they had him at a breeder farm for quite some time.
It kept him real busy. And then there was others that passed out because they were making them breed so intensely. But, anyway, he said, Epstein would he was just amazed at how he would flip so quickly into a murderous rage, speaking of change in personalities.
[02:03:39] Unknown:
How quickly Epstein would flip? Or
[02:03:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Yep.
[02:03:47] Unknown:
But he was just not a kid. Kill himself?
[02:03:50] Unknown:
Oh, no. Just ask just ask Dan Bongino and catch Patel.
[02:03:56] Unknown:
Cash up. Yeah. But they Bongino was constantly saying on his program that there's no way he killed himself. And then all of a sudden, he looked at the evidence and said, yep. It's a suicide.
[02:04:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, that just shows you how corrupt the system is. When you get into this little higher echelons, you really better tow the line. That's the problem with those two fellas. And don't get me started on Bondi. She's not what she seems either at all. Or maybe she is depending on what you think she seems.
[02:04:32] Unknown:
Well, Bondi just recently identified the rock throwing guy in Los Angeles, and they said we're gonna find you. They already put a a search warrant out, and they they went and, you know, went through his home. And this guy's in hiding now.
[02:04:48] Unknown:
Well, there's more than one. And what they were doing, like, well, Trump was even saying, but it was passed on to him. They came with these special heavy hammers that they could pound off parts of the curb to make rocks to throw as weapons, you know, besides the the, pallets of cinder blocks that were being dropped off from Schwartzy or whoever.
[02:05:14] Unknown:
Yeah. There's amateur video of these guys pounding the rocks off around the Federal Building. Off goes off. Well, they usually mark them they're like yellow, and they're like these posts that are that are made out of concrete that's that surrounds a steel post. Mhmm. And, there is no way you can get through that thing with any type of automobile or truck. And so they were pounding all the concrete off and using it as weapons. One of the things they were doing is they were putting I don't know if they were specifically using those those, you know, pieces they pounded off, but they were taking cinder blocks and making you know, crushing them up smaller, sticking them in backpacks, and then throwing them at police officers.
They were also launching commercial fireworks at police officers and, you know, just all kinds of things going on. And, of course, who's this representative out there? Maxine. Oh, they're they're this is all peaceful. This is all peaceful.
[02:06:16] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, back in the day, apparently, her chauffeur and, she had actually done something semi humane and beneficial. And, so guy came in the, passenger side door when they were parked and just, shot her chauffeur in the head so that she's she's been very malleable ever since. Yeah.
[02:06:42] Unknown:
Yeah. And then, Gavin Newsom filed a lawsuit against Trump for bringing in the National Guard without his permission. And, I was actually listening to an attorney going over the, the statutes, and the president does not have to get permission from from the, from the governor No. For the or there's there's two acts. There's the, the next act is the Insurrection Act that if he does that, that that allows the president if he invokes the Insurrection Act, the that allows the president to put the military, the marines on the streets to act in the capacity as an officer, and they they would they will have the powers to arrest people in a in a at a civil level, you know, for civil unrest.
Until this thing you know, until they get orders that the president feels convinced that everything is at peace again. But there's another act that was signed, and that's what brought the National Guard in. I forget what that one is. But there's 700 marines they sent in too, and that's a whole another level. If I may I call These people are saying Let let me just say this, Dave. The the people are saying like, all these representatives and officials are saying, oh, yeah. They got the the marines, coming in, and they got the National Guard, And they're making it out as if these people are that these, soldiers are on the streets, and they're not. They're just guarding they're just guarding the federal properties, and that alleviates the, the burden on the officers to be able to go out there and make arrests, but they weren't allowed to make arrests.
[02:08:27] Unknown:
Right. And they're enforcing a curfew, and I had read too where someone had posted that what the ICE were doing right away was going after some of these that were, funneling funds to the cartels. And, so they were giving away their address where they were staying, and, this guy that was doxing them then got doxed himself and didn't appreciate people coming and banging on his door. And, you know, so he said, oh, this has gone too far. You know? Well, there were there weren't that big a crew of ICE to come in compared to these building number of rioters, which is being egged on by media and everybody.
You know? And so they weren't letting them do their job. And so I can see why this is escalating, and I think it's being accelerated for a purpose too. Just like, missus Q had said about it, the revolutionary war, how that was accelerated. You get to a point or like all all of the, different wars, they they accelerate them to kick them off, you know, to make it really go hot. So I think we're seeing that.
[02:09:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Another thing I learned is, there's the alternative media that I listened to on on, YouTube that there's evidence that, that George Soros funded a million dollars to, Gavin Newsom's campaign. And so there's a connection there. And then I heard that Bondi is the justice department is investigating who is funding all of these rioters because they there's definitely funding going on.
[02:10:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I saw an ad for, from, Antifa International trying to get protesters to come in. So you've got all these shady organizations. You gotta remember, Schwartz is is his real name. Soros is from Esperanto, but it's also a palindrome, s o r o s. Right? Same backwards as forwards. And there's power in that stuff. You know? These spell casting things, and they let him get away with everything. They let him break the bank in in Britain a few years back. Right? But where he's born, Hungary, he's not allowed there. They banned him. So so yeah.
It's interesting time to be alive. That's for sure.
[02:11:00] Unknown:
And also this, this this lawsuit that Newsom brought against Trump, it was filed in federal court. And I believe there's talk about how he filed it in the wrong jurisdiction to begin with, and there's there's a talk in the alternative media that the the main one of the reasons they think Newsom filed it in the wrong district, because I think there's three or more district, districts federal districts in California, was because I think it was the San Francisco district he filed it in. Well, that that's outside the jurisdiction of of where where this, you know, where this, whatever was invoked to bring in the National Guard by Trump.
Alright. And so the alternative media is saying they think it's because Newsom knows this judge Exactly. That You know, she did some judge judge searching or hunting, you know, and hoping to get exactly. And, so I just read in the news that, the judge is temporarily not going to issue this emergency injunction until they until they give the Trump administration time to respond to this lawsuit. Right. So that's a little bit of good news.
[02:12:17] Unknown:
Yeah. But, you know, when you're under emergency rule and, martial rule, not martial law yet probably, but, they can kinda do whatever they need to do. And the thing is, just like the term, a lot of the time, because of all the media hype and stuff, the other links of Trump weren't listening to him. They wouldn't do what he told them to do. Yeah? So we'll see how it goes. But, I I think he does have more going for him this time around. You know?
[02:12:55] Unknown:
Also, in Texas, there's, there's some riding going on or the starts of it the starting, you know, the beginnings of it. And the Texas governor already ordered National Guard troops to, to intervene and to be get prepared. So, everybody's being, you know, they're they're not being what's the opposite of reactive? Proactive. They're being proactive.
[02:13:23] Unknown:
Yeah. And if you remember Yuri Besenov years ago, right, and, he also played, as Thomas Schuman and was actually part played part of a hippie, I heard him say, in one of his one of his interviews, and I don't know where it was now. But, you know, you have these three stages, and they went through them so fast. But the one is crisis, where people just become accustomed to having tanks on the streets. So I guess we're entering that stage.
[02:13:55] Unknown:
Another thing is there's talk that, Gavin Newsom obviously did this on purpose by, you know, just letting this thing broil. If they would have handled the National Guard at the very get go, like, sent in the National Guard and handled these things differently, at the very beginning, it would not have, been brought to this point where all of this destruction has been done.
[02:14:24] Unknown:
Well, we know the banker interests and stuff, they want this to come apart because what really needs to happen is the whole banking system come down, and they sure don't want that to happen.
[02:14:45] Unknown:
I believe it's in that bill. I don't know if Roger mentioned this, but there's some type of tax now because all, you know, all of these illegals that are working in our country are sending money to Mexico, and Mexico is making out, like, they're they're getting, you know, bill billions of dollars, I think, for for, all the money that's sent to them. So something was, included in this latest bill that actually puts a tax on on all that. And I guess that's what's gonna be used to fund the wall because we're not funding the wall. In that bill, Mexico is still funding the wall.
[02:15:30] Unknown:
Well, you know, the whole wall thing was ginned up by ones in the crowd and stuff. And, so it was, an aim, but it's not a solution. And I know Ron Paul had said, you know, why do they wanna build that? Is that to keep them out or to keep us in, you know, years ago? But, yeah. Yeah. I had something else, and I forgot what it was. But there's a similar correlation to, I don't know. Maybe it'll come back to me. Oh, that's what it was. It was with Ron Paul too. The, in the fed thing, that all came from the college students where he would, you know, have rallies where he would speak. That didn't come from him.
But, they try to carry forward what seems popular to the masses, whatever they're shouting kinda thing. Hey, Ma. Yes, ma'am. Hey, Joan. Hey. Did y'all talk to him? In the beginning that Elon Elon Musk's father hurt him when he was young or molested him or something? Well, it was just a very kinda bad relationship. But, his mother had said how I guess she would do the driving, and, the husband, the father would pound on her. And, in fact, she came back from honeymoon, bruised and pregnant. You know? I mean, it's just a it's part of this nasty system. But, like I said, then he was at Asheville in the Biltmore in the lower level there, and there were, five, of them altogether over those two days that Jessie Sabota and, her cohort, witnessed. They were forced to witness this stuff because she was being trained to be the mother of darkness, the crone position, which apparently they haven't replaced. But there was Elon, Trudeau, Michael Trudeau, one of, Gaddafi's sons, Sasha Stone, and Nathaniel Rothschild.
And what they did to them was and stop me if you heard this before. But this ritual of blasphemy and happened to be be, being performed by, Timothy Dolan, cardinal Timothy Dolan. And she has all this in her affidavits, and they've been circulated different places. And so, you know, they really don't want all this stuff to get out. But this is the underlining underlining, control of everything, really, is the satanic rituals and sacrifice and and control of the way they run things. And they have to keep these hierarchy children being, raised to fill in the positions as the older ones age out.
And, yeah. So Timothy Dolan had a statue of Jesus, and they put a phallus on it that was dipped in blood. And then they orally and anally raped them. And then they gave them, some injection that kept them erect. And, meanwhile, on the side of this pool thing, this is one of the good things that Q brought forward that was showing the pictures of this, Podesta art that was actually the tile on this pool at the Biltmore. And, they would have, like they had a young boy, and they have these straps that they kinda wrap them in, and he was being starved to death. But, anyway, they had these young naked girls, facing the side of the pool.
And after they gave them that that, medicine, quote, unquote, then and they also gave them adrenochrome. And so these boys, tore those girls apart. And, Dolan laughed and said he was happy to see these boys become men. So that's what's we've got running running the world. Okay. I wonder if Trump had any of that, you know, ritual stuff going on when he was younger. I I wondered about that too. Yeah. I wonder about that too. Now what he says is he, you you know, got in fights a lot, and that's why they put him in in the military school. But, you know, he didn't see, action, but it did really discipline him.
And, we can see that in how he's you know, of course, I'm sure they've got, doubles, but, he doesn't smoke or drink, you know, any of that kind of stuff. And, Gingrich even said that, at one point during the campaign, he says he's he's not part of their secret society where they do rituals. He came right out and said that Gingrich is, though, but, so, you know, it's a it's a mixed bag, but, I wondered about that too. And and about all of these older ones, what you know, what was done to them. And some of them get perverse when maybe they are to begin with, but when they go off in the military and, like, say, coming for act from Nam and they're, trained killers, but, I think there was a little clip and I think maybe full metal jacket. But they have these little pieces in these movies that they could easily just cut out. So, you know, but at one point where the actors walking past, they have the village in ruins and burning, but there's a circle of, many American soldiers looking very disgusting and grim.
And they have a a young Vietnamese child girl, and she's crying her eyes out, and that was no faking it. You know? She wasn't acting. But, anyway, they had made a circle with their outstretched feet, and she's looking from one to the other and just crying her eyes out. And so, you know, they'll let you know that this is part of what they learn over there too when they you know? They've they've already been taught that this is the enemy and they're lesser, you know, this stained Judaizing stuff, right, where the other is the lesser and and, not even human beings and and whatever. And so, I guess I need to put this out there because they're circulating that on Timothy Holmes' reports about, and and Jesse has, affidavits of this too, this Craig Sawyer Craig Randolph saw him saw man Sawyer, he had been a bodyguard for Hillary hill Hildebeast and, and a lot of other things, but he's a sniper too. And, so any anyway, in her affidavits, he is helping administer the scalding water to these girls in their private parts and stuff and then tell them to shut up being a crybaby and you know? So he's in on a lot of this stuff and has been. And and, it's terrorized that, he might have been one of the people at Butler.
Now I talked to Sam Andrews and, had him go through his audio, you know, analysis, and he said from the sounds he had determined there were eight shots, and he told where all of them came from. And, shots one and three were from way back, way far away and being shot down so as if he was up in a tree or something. But, yeah, I see that now. You know, the day after my show on the fourteenth, I was I was sure it was just Holcomb, you know, but then I learned more by the next week, and I think that was another everything's in god's hands, but that was another one where he prevented prevented the assassination of people. I wanna hear about Kennedy, but he wasn't killed either.
And, part of it has to do with the the love of people for a leader, but it seems most notable that these leaders are ones that have turned over the money changers table, so to speak. You know? You have Andrew Jackson, and I guess there were four or five attempts on his life. And, the one we hear about is when the two revolvers didn't go off even though they were working just fine, or pistols. And, Adolf Hitler, his two laws, no pornography, no usury, and they wrote off the debt and didn't have any usury. And there were 41 attempts on his life, and he lived to, he died in South America, natural death on 02/13/1962.
People don't like that either, but just had Harry Cooper on again on my show week ago. And, but, you know, if I learn the truth, I'm gonna keep repeating it. So JFK live too, and you can you know, I've covered that quite thoroughly from others' research. You know, I'm just bringing a four or one of just the messenger. And so with Trump, which I think I've said before here, he his term, he he somebody else wanna speak? Go ahead.
[02:26:02] Unknown:
I'll finish up what you're saying, Murr.
[02:26:05] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it was interfering with the open mic. But, anyway, I just wanted to say that in his term, he had his energy efficient even exporting, and he didn't start any new wars. So that, in effect, is turning over the money changers' tables. And so they're trying to be determined to take him out. And besides all the negative stuff, you only hear negative stuff about him. A woman that did all the, from Canada, she's passed away now probably because of the shots. But, anyway, she did these really good, snippets and snippets. She did these really good reviews with things and was in contact with all the different, political cartoonists, and they had been told nothing positive could be done with Trump. Don't ever don't ever show anything positive. So Ben Garrison was about the only one that did show things positive, but, you know, so people are in the minds instead of, hate this guy, but, you know, I don't hate anybody. I just, I just find it fascinating to see how things are unwinding. Go ahead.
[02:27:09] Unknown:
Yes. You mentioned Sasha Stone? Yes. Yes. And, I'm familiar with some of his work. So so what is your position on Sasha Stone and Elon? Controlled op or what?
[02:27:29] Unknown:
Well, like I said, it's a mixed bag. They've been through this ritual of blasphemy and who knows what else. You know? So they recently controlled opposition when it comes down to it. And, you can tell sometimes by the way they look that, these different ones, just the look in their face and their eyes, they're they're, I don't know. It's, it's distressing
[02:27:55] Unknown:
to say I mean, you have Sasha Stone has this huge movement, and, of course, Elon too. Now they say that Elon's ultimate goal is to have AI take over our government. What what do you say about Sasha's movement? It seems very new age to me, but, do you think he's he's he's on the on the good side or the bad side? And and the same with with, Elon. This is a big mystery to all of us. Well, see, this is why I'm saying it's a mixed bag. Just like each of us,
[02:28:31] Unknown:
you know, we have intentions to do good, but do we always do good? No. We don't. You know? And so, it can, kind of vacillate. And I I looked into Stone some, and that that's not his real name, of course. And and, and it's interesting, but anybody that has a big movement, to me, right there, that's a red flag. Because they're always infiltrated, if not totally corrupt to begin with. You know? Well, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Yep. So Thank you. Thank you.
[02:29:10] Unknown:
Hey, Murr. Did did it, Andrew Jackson say that he believed there are several attempts on his life because he was against the establishment of a central bank? And then also,
[02:29:28] Unknown:
didn't he have the, the the national debt paid off at one point, or am I mixing that up with someone else? Yeah. I think you're correct. And he said, I'll kill the banks, and that's what he wanted on his tombstone, and he did. I killed the banks. So that's when they started, or maybe even before. But, over in Europe, they started planning to get us into the so called civil war. And you had Jews in there like Peter P. Benjamin and, of course, ones in the North, including link Lincoln Stein himself. And so this was to rip this country apart. The South didn't have a central bank. The North did. You know? And, people in general were freer. They they were Christian. They had more money, per capita, even, like, freed slaves or even indentured still or enslaved.
You know, I mean, a lot of the plantations, they were like towns. It wasn't like you know? We we hear a lot of crazy stuff from the Jews movies and all that, you know? But, in the North, they were practicing Unitarianism and Transcendentalism. And, they had slaves and they kept them, and it's written into the constitution. So all this about it, it being the Civil War being about slavery is bunk them. No. No. It was about controlling and taking over, you know, everything about them. And even the flag, the Confederate flag. Right? Well, what is that design? Oh, that's Saint Andrew's flag. Saint Andrew's cross.
Yeah. They even took that. It's, it was in the, cathedral in DC. One of the stained glass windows had the, Saint Andrew's Cross flag, and they they removed it. Yeah.
[02:31:22] Unknown:
You and Brent were talking earlier about some something you were watching last night, with what was that that you all were watching?
[02:31:31] Unknown:
Well, we weren't watching. We just happened to be in a discussion about Bill Cooper at that point. On FCC here? On, 38 rebel madman. Yeah. Okay. Okay. After Mike's, class. Okay. Thanks. Yeah.
[02:31:52] Unknown:
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[02:32:58] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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