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In this episode of Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles discusses the growing reach and impact of the program, highlighting an impressive increase in downloads and live listeners. He shares insights into the unique platform that allows for extensive audience interaction, emphasizing the importance of listener engagement and the value of open forums for discussion. Roger also touches on the historical context of the feudal system and its implications on modern citizenship, encouraging listeners to reclaim their power and understand their rights.

Additionally, the episode delves into various geopolitical topics, including the situation in Israel and the broader Middle East. Roger and his guests discuss the historical and current political dynamics, offering critical perspectives on global events. The conversation also covers the importance of understanding legal definitions and the impact of misinformation, with a focus on empowering individuals through knowledge and community support. Listeners are encouraged to engage with the content and explore the resources available for further learning.

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Yep, Alvin.   Us too. We're gonna take another swing at it right here on Tuesday,   May 20. May is, two thirds gone.   Radio Ranch is the name of the program you've   obviously   intended to listen to. You don't just kinda stumble into this, I don't think.   And Roger Sales, your host. Here we go. And it is sunshiny   in Ecuador this morning. Five days of clouds gone. Thank you,   Lord. Maybe maybe this summer.   Oh, it's just about upon us, Paul. We have a number of, affiliates. I guess we could call them that. Friends,   amigos,   companeros,   that help us,   help us extend our reach here with our very valuable and important message. And the keeper of said platforms is mister Beaner,   who, comes out and,   identifies them so we can give them proper identification and credit because we appreciate their help, don't we? Yes. We do. Yes. We do. Yes.  



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As a matter of fact, I do have some news, but, I will get to that in a minute.   We're on for the first hour on Tuesdays, we're on +1 069   in Chicago,   and we're also on radiosoapbox.com   over, across the Drake.   Thanks to our buddy Paul over there.   We also are on eurofolkradio.com   for the entire two hours of the program from eleven to one eastern.   That is thanks to our, buddy pastor Eli James.   It would be nice to have him show up and, join us on the show one of these days. Be sometimes. That's a good, that's a good suggestion.  

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I mean, I'll proffer it to him.  

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That would be fun. That would be entirely fun.   We're also on Global Voice Radio Network,   my pet project.   That is radio.globalvoiceradio.net.   And we're also on homenetwork.tv,   freedom nation Tv, go live TV,   and stream life.tube.   The those platforms as well as WBOU   FM in Chicago were brought to us by the Net family of broadcast services,   spearheaded and driven. The driving force behind those is   WDRN   productions, Fort Collins, Colorado.   Now to get to my, my news,   I was looking at these   stats,   this morning,   and   our,   number of downloads of the program of the canned program continues to increase   by 33 to 38%   a week.  

And Really?   Our live   audience is growing   17%   per week.   And that is live unique listeners.  

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Gosh.  

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Oh, yeah. Traction  

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finally after all these years? There have been been over  

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20,000   downloads of our archives,   since the first of the year.  

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So Well, that's pretty impressive to me. It's a little   fledgling little message that started out so many years ago,   on a kind of a wing and a prayer.   I was supposed to be doing these shows. Yes. Yes, Paul? That's only  

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one platform. That's only Global Voice.   All those numbers.  

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Well, if all y'all are tuning in and listening, God bless you.   I guess if you had questions, you'd either   write me an email or come on the air here with us and, get it out. So,   hopefully, that if you do have questions or comments, whatever, we'll get to that point. That's what this forum is for, and   it's another way to, let's say, put the seal of approval   on what we do.   I don't know of anybody else in this area that gets on in a public forum and   takes any kind of questions or any kind of comments that people have.   Oh, yeah. You know, good or bad. You you I guess we've had a bad one or two along the way, but,   for the most part, very positive. And,   it's just a wonderful forum. I love doing it, and, it's very special. I don't know of anybody else in the radio business, and that's what I consider us in here,   doing this sort of approach or format, if you will. No. And it's quite exciting. I just love meeting all you wonderful people. You know, all of them the folks that are attracted by this message are   generally just really solid hold with people, and and I appreciate knowing them and and loving them and helping them get free and then change their lives. And see, the thing for for me about this   is I know   the information changes lives because it changed mine. Okay? And I went through all of this stuff solo for years.  

There was nobody else from John and Glenn necessarily that was following me. I was just kinda pioneering.   I drew the analogy the other day of the blind guy with the white stick and the red end, you know, and you're you're going down the street kinda seeing if there's obstacles and where do I avoid? I don't wanna run into that telephone pole and all that. And that's the way I did this for a lot of years. Just what could I do that got me into the system?   And then it was really interesting. I wrote that manuscript,   and,   I had a a guy in   Atlanta that I knew that had a friend who was a retired attorney,   Paul, from California.  

And he was one of the only people that sat down. He retired moved to Atlanta for grandchildren. You know? And he was one of the only guys, an attorney that read that 80 page brief.   And,   he, he came back. My friend told me, he said, well, that's exactly what they're doing, but you can't do anything about it.   I said, my ass, I can't do anything about it.   K.   And so,   that just, of course, motivated me. And,   here we stand so many years later, and I'm just tickled,   that we've   reached   this degree of a plateau.   You know, all learning,   it goes in plateaus.  

And you'll you'll go along for, quite a while on on a kind of level playing field, and you don't feel like you're making any progress. And then all of a sudden, something happens and you hit that,   that, critical mass point, and then all of a sudden, your learning goes straight up where you thought you'd gotten everything under your belt already. So it that's a process that goes on, and and I guess it goes on with us too. And,  

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yes. It the reason it does that is because   you don't know what you don't know.   So if you think that you've got a handle on something,   you may come up with   one more epiphany, and that epiphany   connects seven or eight other dots.   And and   it exponentially   increases your understanding   of a great deal more. And that that I think is what you're talking about, the plateauing thing. It's just one tickler.  

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Yes. It is. But those epiphanies, man, they could be really painful.  

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Okay. So  

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anyway,  

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there is one other thing. There is one other thing I wanted to mention.   What we're talking about with the with this unique platform   is we actually have a thousand spaces for people to call in and join us on the show. Yeah. And I would get her to that. Yeah. Well, yeah, all you downloaders and all you, live listeners. Hey. If you wanna come in here and ask a question,   just go to the matrixdocs.com.   That is thematrixd0cs.com.   Mhmm. There's free conference call links there. You can jump into there. We are absolutely connected to 1,000 seats in a free conference  

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call conference. To talk to you. And You can We have 2,000 more seats waiting in the wings. Lord. Go. Yeah. Waiting in the wings. 2,000 more. You could come on and tell me how bad my breath smells this morning or, you know, anything like that. You'd be totally welcome.  

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That's why I love this platform. I have got a voice for radio and a face to match,   and I can do it in my jam. Breath and breath to match.  

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So here we go. Evidently, the world is turning   on the Israelites.   Yeah.   This stuff I've got this morning on Harrison,   the consensus of the world leaders is   Israel stop this crap. And Israel goes, I don't care.   We're God's chosen people. Of course, you don't ask the question, which God chosen for what?   The small g and   and and and and chosen to kill your neighbors, I guess,   in brutal, brutal fashion.   That but you're better than everybody else, aren't you? You're better than everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. You are. You study that guttural Talmud   with the the most despicable book that's ever been written in the history of the world, and that's your little guidelines   in it Ain't it, you little slimers?  

Don't worry. It's coming. You you know, you're gonna catch you. You just can't continue to do this.   And,   it's it's coming.   It's coming.   And the biggest change,   I was, you know, had to yesterday at the end of the show when the phone rang for me,   that was this call that Brian Howard and I have been trying to hook up for two weeks to get around Skye.   Oh, good lord. And,   yeah,   well, he was saying, you know, talking he's doing pretty good all in all, I think. He,   Brian's one of our early students who really,   well, has paved the way in many ways.   He's the one that did the   Idaho action against the, driver's license up there and went all the way to the   state director of transportation   for Idaho who came back finally after   three volleys.  

This is so unusual.   Three and Glenn and I were helping him. You know? And,   and and so   Brian had the balls to do it in in the in the scenario. So   three times after they finally got through the administrative   appeals and we got to the director,   three times they were exchanging paperwork,   and he never signed anything, Paul. He would not sign it. You couldn't read that signature, whoever did it, with the Rosetta Stone. Okay?   And,   finally, after the the oh, you're a day late. Oh, you know, all this crap. We went through it.   Finally, on the last Volley,   we get squeeze the truth out. You know, it's like going to the shower, squeezing out a washcloth.  

You squeeze the truth out of these sorry bastards.   And, he writes back to, well, we can't issue a state issued driver's license to anyone who's not a resident of Idaho.   Right.   So, Brian,   we were talking about Trump, and he was voicing   his disdain for the involvement with the Israelites. And I said, oh, Brian. Hold on. The game has changed.   And he informed him of some of the latest developments where Trump won't even take Netanyahu's phone call. K?   And, evidently and this comes from Alex Jones, and Alex, he's got very high   connections into the Trump administration.  

I don't know which ones, but he knows just about all of them, and they listen to his show regularly.   And, he said the inside   news is Trump hates Netanyahu. He's not disliked. He said he hates him. K? Just like all the rest of the world leaders hate the little bastard and hate the little bastards that are like him.   And,   no. It's not anti Semitic to hate somebody like this, piece of crap here.   Mister Netanyahu.   And,   so, anyway, that was interesting with Brian. Got him straightened out, and he's, he's doing pretty good. He lives over in Tennessee now.   But his daughters are almost grown and all that stuff. So,   he doesn't come around too much anymore like a lot of old students.  

I could probably just name them off. I'm not going to. Do what now?  

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Do Brian Texas live in Texas? And that's why he hangs his hat in Texas.  

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Oh, no. He doesn't have any exes   to my knowledge. He's got two daughters and a wife,   but no exes.   So,   but, but he's living in Tennessee, and   so, a nice nice state, Tennessee, overall.   Like it very much.   So the world is turning on the Israelites.   Yippee.   All kind of other stuff happening. That is that is one of the most significant things, folks, right there, and we know it from the Iran situation.   And, and, of course, we'll rehash it again. What happened was they were Netanyahu was in town for the third time   since January.  

Push. Push. Push. Push.   Push. He's got this penis erectus for Iran   to complete their Eritz Israel greater Israel.   And I don't you know, there's an awful lot of Iranian Jews. That's where what happened. That's the book of Esther.   That's where that happened. Persia.   Iran.  

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So,  

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anyway, he, come over and and the the cabinet was split. Half the cabinet did not want to. That included JD Vance and,   oh, Tulsa Gabbard and some of the more high point honorable people that are on the cabinet. The other half wanted to push it, and one of them was this guy, Waltz,   who was, I believe, security   director or something. He had director   national intelligence is Tulsa. So he's some kind of a security director. And,   he was caught cohorting and   conspiring with mister I'm a yoyo yahoo   Really? To try it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You see, this is the split   is they caught Waltz   in a private meeting with Netanyahu and no telling who all trying to get in and convince him how to sway the cabinet to go bomb Iran.  

And that's what pissed Trump off. K? On top of everything else, here he is working behind his back with his own cabinet. That's why Wallace got fired from that position,   security director, whatever he was. It was one of the high cabinet posts,   and, he was moved to the ambassador to the UN,   which is a, sideline post where nobody goes anywhere.   So, that was Trump's kinda slap in the face. I'm not gonna fire you, but I'm gonna move you over here where we'll never hear from you again.   And so, of course, that has exacerbated   everything. Well, there's the line in the sand right there. They would not go bomb Iran, and all this has happened. So what did I'm an idiot Yahoo do? Goes back to Israel and does exactly   what everybody in the world hates as he starts bombing the hell out of Gaza. He bombed a hospital and killed 20 women and children.  

K? Evidently, I didn't see the footage, but there was a photograph of the hospital and people walking in and the and the, armaments hit, and they were just all toasted right there.   K? So it's all these things that they're doing that people have hated them for and this attitude for all these centuries   that's given them this bad reputation. And, boy, they're wearing it, like, proudly on their arm right now.   Okay? They're they're they're the face of of of demons,   and everybody in the world sees it. So, anyways, good news. It's good news. Anything that can cast dispersions   and and and and help to   expose these bastards for who they are and the guidelines they follow.  

Oh, it's just so welcome to me. Yes, Paul.  

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You know what I would like president Trump to do?   And,   and I and I realize he's got his hands full. I mean, he's already very busy and he's doing big things for this country.   But what I would like him to do is,   look into what happened with Libya and Gaddafi   and   figure out exactly,   how put upon the country of Libya and Gaddafi and how he was demonized, and he was basically hunted like a dog. His people loved him. What what a fine leader.   He was a fine leader,   and the globalists   demonized him because   he wasn't playing the game.   And   I think that it would be just a a joyful thing for president Trump to do   to actually put a little bit of,   elbow grease into trying to rebuild relations with Libya and rebuild their country.  



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Well, that would be nice. I mean, it's just one of a myriad of things that's on these people's plate to look into and try   and get some satisfaction for the people, and   and and people wanna see the perp   walk, and maybe they're about to and cross your fingers.   And, I do know that, if you didn't see it,   Bongino and Patel did a press conference or did a a tape interview with somebody.   And they were asking them a couple of things about Jerry Epstein when they both said we've seen the files. It was suicide.   That but even more so,   they have found a trove.  

I mean, a trove of a folder with all the jam six stuff on it.   Who did what? Who ordered what?   How many of these and all that stuff? And both of them, admitted on that interview they'd seen, the file.   Longino said the day before he'd seen it, and it's about to be totally released.   Don't know when, but soon. And it's gonna be released by the FBI and these two guys. Okay? Well So that's coming. And but there's so many heinous things. I mean, oh, here's here's the deal, Paul.   One of the European countries, I don't know which one, did some research on rats   with the,   with the shots,   m and r a and all that. Yep. And what they found, it was on rats now and   especially for females,   is it it goes in and there's a precursor   to a ovum, to an egg.  

I think they called it a fiber or something. It's a little precursor that builds into an egg, and a woman is born with so many of them, and that's her lifetime fertility.   K?   Twenty one percent of the women were affected by that, and I can't remember the decrease in their fibers or whatever precursors are that build into an egg, but it was really substantial.   K?   Right.   And,   it just as these things continue to come out and continue to come out,   these bastards I mean, yeah, I can agree going back what you're talking about. But,   you know, you only got limited resources.  

And you gotta go over probably the most egregious, the most heinous,   and the most recent instead of the older ones. But   you we've got decades of this kind of crap that need to be looked into, folks.  

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Right. But but the thing I'm talking about the thing I'm talking about is,   the globalist,   had identified   seven what was it? Seven regimes, seven countries   that had to be Yes. Overtaken.   They had to be annihilated and replaced,   before they could complete their globalist agenda.  

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Okay? It's called   it's called Eretz Israel, Greater Israel.   And they consider all that land over there to be theirs.  

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Right. But what if Trump was to actually start   reversing the damage that they have done? I mean,   Iran is the last one.   Iran is the last one to be taken over and taken down. But what if he's what if Trump starts to rebuild Libya?   It starts to bring Libya back to its own sovereignty.   Uh-huh. And then Great.  

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You know? I mean, they you know, what what Gaddafi was doing see, I have a friend, a dear friend, really, in Argentina.   We met down there. He was, him and I got to be fairly close. And,   he's a our our, an Anglo Argentinian,   which means his background is Scottish. His grandfather helped build the railroad over there, and they got land, and they've stayed.   And, but   it's interesting. His name is Michael. And Michael,   I don't know. He's gotta get his news from, like, BBC or something. You know? Because where you get the information you process is, you know, garbage in, garbage out. Right? So we we get into these political discussions. He's very political. And   and he go and I'd bring up, like, Hitler. Oh, he's a dictator. And so, he's a dictator. And so I bring up, Gaddafi. Oh, he was nothing but a dictator. I said, Michael,   where in the hell are you getting your information?  

His people loved him. Putin. Oh, he's a dictator. Yeah. He's been elected. How many times? Seven? Eight? He had 96%   approval rating in Russia. He's a dictator. Yeah. Sure.   Libya, who was,   Gaddafi was very good friends with, or at least on pew can't be friends with these people. You can think they're friends with Tony Blair.   And,   of course, what Gaddafi was doing was he was stopping the migrants from Africa   from going north and and and invading Europe.   That was the stoppage was Gaddafi.   If you don't know, Libya   has the sweetest crude oil in the world.  

Mhmm. That means it it takes less refinement to turn it into petroleum product.   Right. Now there's been another one found   over down here in South America,   next to, East of of Venezuela   and the Guyanas. There's a there's a plot of land there that's been under dispute,   Paul, since the forties when the UN was founded. In fact, the UN's got a position on it. And, Brazil claims it, and and Guyana claims it, and Venezuela claims it. And it's in that big spot of land right there that they found the other sweet crude in the world.   Guyana's got some of it. They've got the Chinese over there working with them to exploit it.  

But there's a big battle over this piece of land because there's a bunch of money underneath that, the sweet crude. Well, that's what Libya   had, was the sweetest crude in the world. And so,   obviously, highly desirable. And what Gaddafi was doing was taking the funds. And if you don't know this, you should. He was building a freshwater   desalination   plant that was going to   feed Africa with fresh water, certainly Libya.   He was,   taking all the proceeds from the oil the country sold.   And any citizens of Libya, you could they would send you overseas to go to college. They'd give you money to buy a house and keep yourself up while you were there.   All these different advantages for the people that Gaddafi was doing, and they went in there and killed him. Now here's another side to that that's that's kinda interesting, Paul.  

The company   that in the past used to, past tense,   sell my book   was called the Book Patch.   Yes. And, it was founded by a guy named Victor Ostrovsky. Are you familiar with Victor?  

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Yeah.  

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I'm sure many in the audience are not.   Victor Ostrovsky   is he's still alive. He's gone too good shape.   Victor Ostrovsky was a Canadian Jew who went to Israel and joined the Mossad, became a Mossad line officer, and   he bolted on him, turned against him, and,   wrote two books. One was called By Way of Deception,   and the second one was called The Other Side of Deception. Well,   you wouldn't have to be a rocket scientist   to agree with me that it didn't show up either.   Of those books didn't show up on the New York Times bestseller list. You think? K.   I I know. I know,   because I actually bought one for a dollar in a bargain basement being in a, in a bookstore.  

And Yeah. But that was Victor. And I think what happened to him was   he got so PO'd at the way he was treated and what was going on that he went and he was a big art guy. He had an art gallery in Scottsdale, Arizona there, some kind of art gallery. And next door to it, he opened the book patch.   I think because he could help people sell books. He couldn't sell books because he was a victim of that. Well, that was, I actually spoke with him one time on the phone, invited him on the show, and it never came together, but he wasn't opposed to it. What he was opposed to, I said, can I ask you questions about the? And he said, absolutely not.   So, anyway,   it never happened. You know? But he seemed to be a pretty nice guy. And, his wife died, and then he's gone senile   and is in a home. And his daughter is running the has power of attorney over the book patch, and, well, they got more problems than a Chinese trigonometry   teacher over there.  

So, anyway, one of these days, I think we've already found the the location to   republish the book. We gotta get I gotta talk to Sketch and see if I can either get him to come up with a cover or maybe I can find the old one, something like that. There's all these different components when these things screw up that you gotta deal with. You know?   So, anyway, that was Victor Ostrovsky. And,   and in Ostrovsky's   book, this is what I was getting to. In Ostrovsky's   book, the first one by way of deception,   he he told how the Mossad got them to kill kill,   Gaddafi.  

And they took a small two man submarine   and smuggled a beacon, beep beep, gives us a beacon signal,   in a rug, probably a Persian rug,   and, smuggled it into Libya and went and planted it next to his tent. And that was what they used to get the accuracy of the munitions to kill him. Remember Hillary Clinton? We came. We saw he died.   Remember the witch cackling there?   Good man Gaddafi.   Good man Gaddafi, it appears.   Yeah. So, anyway, there's just some background here. Listen. I I can pontificate. As you guys know, I can. I'd rather not take the two hours we've got together with me running my mouth. It's not the platform necessarily for that. Hey, Roger.   It's a platform to recognize people like Dave and other new students and answer their questions and help give them some,   some clarity, Paul. Just a little clarity is what we're offering. Yes, Dave.  



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Hey. Good morning, everybody.   Just to add a little to Gaddafi's,   you know,   his background. You know, he also was opposed to,   the GMOs and the vaccines,   and  

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he started his own bank, African bank, and he had the gold dinar. Oh, yeah. And Oh, yeah. Oh, they could not allow that, could they? No. He was gonna he was gonna start a gold backed currency for Africa, and that was probably the straw that broke the camel's back. Yes. You know, Dave, the first thing that happened once they killed him. Right?   They set up a central bank. Libya went They set up they set up a road down the central bank. The very first thing they  

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did. And Libya just turned into a hell hole.   Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the the all kind of, you know, all them tribal leaders   were fighting with each other, and a lot of people died over there, man. It was a river. Don't   needs to be hanging from a tree Yeah. By a wolf of the back until dead. And then give her a trial,   a fair trial.  

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Uh-huh. Yeah. And what are they talking about, Dave? They're talking about they're floating around right now on interviews.   And this the scuttle buddies, they're gonna thinking about running her again for president.   Oh, that is I hadn't heard that. That's a good one. Well, it's just she's been on tour the last few days about that, and that's what the speculation is. You've got, Bernie   out there with AOC going around in a in a multimillion   dollar jet or something, and they're trying to my god. Can you see AOC progressing up the political ranks here? Oh, no. Oh my god.  

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A bar a former bartender  

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who, according to here, Roger, a little bit. Okay. You   so   on Sunday,   my wife and I took our grandson home, you know, it's an hour away. And,   on the way back, my phone died, and so I was left to resort to the radio in the van,   and I'm pushing seek you know   listen to the few songs and and they're like three or four   NPR radio stations here in Michigan   and you know everyone it stopped on every one of them first there was a a white man   who was running the show   and he was interviewing a white   woman   professor.   I don't remember their names, but I I'm pretty sure they were Jewish   names and they were talking about   how horrible,   Trump is for letting these white,   South Africans come to America   and they you the it was a huge hit piece   on you know what lies the you know no no white people died in Africa   blah blah blah and then right after that, there was a you know they there was a hit piece on a shortwave   radio. It was a part two   of a multi part,   expose, and   I never heard anybody else say pastor Pete Peters except you. I never heard that guy. I didn't listen to shortwave.  

You know, I'm fairly new as as it goes to this movement, you know, around 2010   was really when I start picking up a lot of this stuff. But,   they start talking about   white   supremacists that first, they said this woman, her name was Katie   Thornton. So if you guys wanna look her up, you can find the expose on,   and she's it's a Michigan produced show,   and   she's,   said that there's there's laws.   The shortwave radio   Americans are only allowed to to broadcast to overseas,   you know, they're not allowed to broadcast in America. And all these That's true.   And all these white supremum,   and shouldn't he she start naming all these names. She said Mark from Michigan.  

Then she said pastor Pete Peters   and and named a bunch of other players in the realm, you know, of exposing the government for the tyrants that they really are. And talk about,   how how Mark hired   Timothy McVeigh to be his bodyguard   and and, you know, just so such lies   came out of this. And   I mentioned it to Mark   because they said first, they said Mark from Michigan, and then they said Mark Kornke   hire Timothy McVeigh. And then I told Mark all about it on on a show, and they looked it up. And now he's going after these guys, man. And he said,   be prepared because they're planning something big.  

And and and it's probably gonna be in Michigan,   because they've done so much with the FBI and these dukes and and, you know,   over the years, it's been a a a hotbed over here. So,   they, you know, a lot of stuff that you talk about came out on that on that show. So you may wanna look Alright. That up and check it out. I will. So I'll I'll yield there.  

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Okay. Paul, take the show for a second. I'm gonna go talk to my landlord. Okay? Yeah. No problem.  

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One thing I wanted to add about the whole Gaddafi thing   is,   yeah,   education was free. Higher education was free.   When a man and a woman decided they wanted to get married,   they would get a dowry from the government to put a down payment on a house so they would have a home.   And,   the only one actually, the only one in   Libya that didn't have a home and was proud of it   was Gaddafi   because   he said that he would not have a house until every single one of his countrymen   had a roof   over their heads, and he lived in a tent.   And that's probably why it was so easy for the bad guys to go get him.  

He was absolutely a stellar leader, and   I'd like to see   the entire globe   start to rebuild the countries that these these globalists and and bankers   have taken down for their own aim for their own aims.   I'd like to share.   Yeah, Ruby.  

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Hey.   I,   like to read political stuff.   And before they had bombed him to nothingness,   I happened to come across a political treatise.   I actually didn't know who it was from.   After I got reading this, I thought this guy is a genius.   And it's wonderful what he wrote, and I'm thinking it's one of   our forefathers,   you know, people that did our country.   And because back then, I was studying the anti   federalist papers. I didn't even know there were such a thing, but I finally found out. And so I'm reading all kinds of stuff about that. And so getting my hands on opposing views of politics.   And it was called the green book,   and it's actually was written by Gaddafi.  

Yeah. I didn't know green book. You know, it's like you read something without a title. Is it true? And I'm thinking this is amazing.   Just literally   a few days after reading that, there's some big general on TV talking about how stupid and insane Gaddafi is. He's a menace to the society.   He's a threat to people everywhere,   and the general is laughing about, oh, and you if you ever read that stupid stuff he wrote to Green Book, that is the most asinine pill and he's just downgrading it over and over.   And I'm looking,   and I really wasn't hardcore conspiracy back then, but I'm thinking   something's up.  

This don't jive right.   Either he hadn't read it or this is this is a hit job. And then within a within a week, they're,   bye bye, mister Gaddafi.   And the things that afterwards that like, y'all are talking about the things that he accomplished, and I can't find the meme, but there was a meme that showed   United States,   features and benefits on the left side and then Libya   features and benefits on the right side.   And Libya  

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was just checking all the boxes of all the Yeah. Far out. Paying for families.  

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You know, it was amazing. Absolutely amazing. And the Jeffrey The the clearness of the lies is so profound. I don't see how people   can't see it. It just fascinates me. The fact that they can't see fascinates me as much as this stuff going on. Fascinates  

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me too, Arby.  

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Did you see did you see the video? They had two presidential motorcades.   Okay? There's two presidential   motorcades. One of them was Obama,   and there was three limousines. There was,   200 vehicles.   There this motorcade was actually a parade. It was a parade to end all parades. And then Gaddafi's motorcade,   I believe it was a little white car with,   with a sunroof,   and he was standing up   with with his upper torso out of the sunroof waving at the people while he was Yep. Going down this little nonbulletproof   car   down the road.  

And   okay.   Who's   the real bad guy?   The one that's got to be hermetically   sealed behind   bulletproof glass with multiple decoys and all kinds of law enforcement, military, and everything else   watching the motorcade or this guy   that is absolutely   freely accessible to all of his people, all of his people.  

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Well, he wasn't expecting his people to assassinate him as the others like Tony Blair   and Hillary.   Unfortunately,   it sure is. It's a ugly world with these people in it,   I'm sorry to say.   Yeah. So, anyway, enough on mister Gaddafi. He was a a a very good leader who and, unfortunately, like Hitler and some of the others,   they just go out of their way to make them the most demonized people in history because what they did to them and what they were doing against countering our enemies.   So,   let's see. You know, the program here really is certainly for discussions like this, but mainly is for newer people. Are there any, by any chance, any newer folks, any of these   many people that are tapping into our message here, any of you, have a question or comment you'd like to proffer or any of our regular folks, you got something, we'd love to hear from you too.  

So I'll open up the mics, and you can star six if you're amenable, and we'd love to hear from you. So   you got any of those today?   We don't have any of those today, Paul, I don't guess. I suppose we could talk about Smash Burgers. I must really be a I must really be doing a good job because everybody's getting this bam bam bam.   Hey. Smash Burgers, you say? Yeah. Yeah. Smash Burgers.  

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We were talking about Sonic?   That's like Sonic, isn't it? Well, you have Sonic, right, just there?   Yeah.   There Okay. There's this thing. It's called a Smash Burger. It's an eight   pound of hamburger,   smashed really thin and put on a bun and served with French fries.   And,   they're, like, all the rage. $20.20  

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bucks for that or something?  

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11.   I you know, at at one place where you can get,   a smash burger and fries.   But, you know, I was just thinking about it, and I'm going,   you know, PETA's gotta be behind that. Let's give him this trendy   this trendy   gotta have it food   that actually has less meat in it and get people used to eating less red meat.   So,   oh, let's smash an eighth of a pound of hamburger into,   the big bun size.  

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It's it's pretty ridiculous. So the way the world's going, unfortunately Yes. It's going that way. And, fortunately, we got Trump. He's changing a little bit of it.   He's doing I'm I mean, the guy's gotta be doing the best he can, and everybody wants to just really be get on plan   Pam Bondi as they call her.   Mhmm. And, but I I'm you know, I go back to two things. Trump is always complimentary of her.   Yes. She's in those meetings. He's always very complimentary of her. But guess who else is?   There's some guy, a guy that's real critical on people that need to be criticized.   Roger Stone, who's probably Trump's best friend, the old political consultant.  

He's very high on, on Pam too.   So that kinda   I understand the frustration of everybody after what all we've been through. And you got this administration in there, and you wanna see results. You know?   And but they our side has to take and be more meticulous than the other side. They just flipped the law like January 6 and all they did to all those protesters, and nobody can say anything or get anything done. Well, we have to do things right because if we don't do it exactly right, they will come and pick it apart.   And,   so all these things have cases have to be made. It's not particularly easy. It takes time, and they've got all the Epstein stuff that people are still on them for. They've got all these other things that are January 6 and COVID. And,   good lord, it's incredible the amount of, issues they've got in front of them.  

K? So just, I try and think for the best.   I try not to be critical and be a glass half full guy,   but just because it makes me happier and the world I see the world a little bit better that way   instead of negative and all this nitpick and stuff. And so some people do.   So not to be critical of that. I don't know. It's your right if you wanna do it that way. But, yeah, I mean, it just amazes me when you really look at Trump, how objective are you? You know? I mean, the guy went through two impeachments by these gangs of hyenas,   in Congress.  

And then after he got out, he they they they I think they had five lawsuits against him, didn't they? With deposition   and everything else. And do you know out of those seven, that's just seven. I'm sure there's probably others.   They never could find one thing on this guy.  

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Mhmm.  

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If they'd have found one dirty thing, you can know   that what they'd have done with it, and they haven't found it, and they haven't been able to do that. And as I maintain, Trump's gotta be one of the cleanest guys in in the country.   Name me one other guy that could go through that,   gauntlet   of   of of cases and trials   and not find one   bad thing on you?   Right. Well, if they'd have found it, they'd have used it. Okay? There's there's no question   that they'd have if they'd have found something, they would have used it against him, and they haven't been able to find it, and they haven't been able to use it. Pardon me, Paul. Go ahead. The people still demonize him for for being impeached twice because they they lack understanding.  

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And impeachment is nothing more than an indictment.   It's it's nothing more than a charge.   So if if you're proven   innocent,   you could be an indict you could be indicted all day long. But if when push comes to shove,   the verdict is not guilty,   Yeah. You're not guilty.   Period. Yeah. It doesn't matter if he's the only president.  

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And here's the deal. This is the way it works in the constitution. You bring up impeachment. He's impeached in the house, and he's tried. He's charged in the house, and he's tried in the senate. And neither one of those two went to the senate   as did not Bill Clinton's impeachment.   And I remember the day Bill Clinton was impeached because that's the day I bought my first real slug of gold. Okay? Mhmm. With a little bit of proceeds from my house sale that the IRS didn't steal.   And, and the reason I bought it was because that day,   gold was $300   and $0.00 cents on the on the money.  

And, I had about $10,000   left, and I I bought all that with gold back then.   So   yes. And I've been sitting tight on it ever since. And this morning, it spiked   if you go look at KITCO, it spiked 50.   Boom. Straight up. Bam.   So it's up, approaching 3,300   again. They keep playing with that. And, hopefully,   we sure would solve a lot of my problems.   Hopefully,   Trump will, come back. The market will dictate. Hold on just a second. The market will dictate and get up to $1,015,000   an ounce. And, boy, when that happens, you know, the our national debt will   counterbalance,   and, folks like me will be really happy. Was that somebody trying to say something there? Just accidentally have your mute off.  



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No.   My name is Jim. I'm a first time caller.  

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Hey, Jim. Good to hear from you. Thanks for bellying up to the bar. Yeah, man.  

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Yeah. So   it's been a   been a a tough run over the years. I was back in the,   pretty much patriot movement stuff back in the nineties.   Yeah. And, we studied,   Bavier's   law for   oh, I think it was 1853   or 1856.  

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Yeah. Something. But it's still the, for the people that don't know, Bovier's is the law dictionary they use in congress.   Eighteen seven   nineteen seventeen or 1817   something. I don't remember the year, but a lot of people use it and swear by it. So, Jim, let me ask you a couple of questions before you forge it ahead anymore.   How did you find us, and where are you located in the country?  

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Well, I was,   a ways back.   It came up on my feed on YouTube, and I caught your   interview   with Tom Dee.   Oh, okay. And you had just totally totally   made a whole lot of sense.   Yeah. And,   you know, because I had kind of gone through the whole thing. I mean, years ago, a lot of that, even with the Bovee ace, we took   a, like,   a ten week   course that we were doing.   And then everything was also moved on. I don't know if you've ever heard. I've never heard them mentioned on your channel.   But Bob Wanger.   He was from, like, Oregon City, Oregon.  

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I have never heard of that name to my knowledge, Jim.  

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Okay.   Well, yeah, I'm from Arizona.   Okay. So you know  

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What part? Which city? But,  

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well, I'm in the Valley Of The Sun.  

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Oh, the Valley Of The Scum. Okay. We got a real good guy who's on the show the other day. I haven't heard from him in a while. He's a airline pilot for Southwest out of Tucson.   So we've got some folks in in Arizona.   Go ahead. I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead, Jim. Nice. No. No. No problems.  

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I was listening to a   there's a   chiropractor,   doctor, or whatnot that's got a YouTube channel. His name's John Bergman.   And he had a guest on just the other day, and I tried I tried to call in.   And you guys were so busy, I couldn't even get   get the opportunity.   But he was bringing up some stuff, and it sounded a lot like which you guys   talk about.   And Yes, sir. The whole thing about   pulling ourself out, and he does bring up revocation of election.   And   but the all rights come from God and and everything.   But it does sound a lot more like the   charlatry   that you've been talking about about people just wanna charge you.  

You know? Yes, sir. There's a There's a point of membership and all this stuff.   And his   I don't know. His sites are, I guess, were called his advocates,   and his name is,   Kelby Smith, I think. At least that's what was on the Wow. I've heard I've heard of him.  

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We've heard of him. He was a   compadre of David Strait who recently demised with stage four cancer. And,   I don't know that Kelsey and these other people, Anna and those folks, I don't really know that they know what they're talking about, quite frankly,   is my conclusion. I've never been through their course. I've never talked to them just from what I've heard from other students. You know, we get a lot of refugees   from from their programs over here occasionally.   And, and they tell us things. And,   I just have come to the conclusion they don't really understand what they're dealing with, quite frankly. And what's everybody   seems to be missing, Jim, the big piece here that I had because of my teachers   was the feudal system.  

And if you don't know that you're in the feudal system, you'll never do anything but shadow box with it because you don't know what you're fighting.   And once you do understand that, the remedies just pop out because they're so easy.   And,   and they're so easy to execute, and they always get recognized. But if people don't understand that and they're trying to play constitutional   law   versus merchant law here's an old story John used to say. See if this registers with you, Jim.   The feds come to us and they say, we wanna challenge you to a basketball game winner take all.   And we go, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so we go in and get ourselves a team and we start practicing. And the day of the game comes and we go out on the court, and we're sitting there sinking three point shots and, you know, doing all these fancy layups and all that stuff. Well, then comes the feds.  

And the feds come out and they don't have little Nikes on. They don't have little shorts on. They've got these shoes that have this blade on them, and and and they got all this padding and they're skating   around on these shoes   with these sticks and throw in this little piece of metal, looks like, about a hundred miles an hour around the rink.   So let me ask you, Jim, who do you think is gonna win that basketball game?  

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Yeah.   Sure isn't the guys playing by the rules.  

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You can bet. Okay? And that's what's happening. We're we're trying to play constitutional   law over here, and they're playing UCC merchant law. And they're gonna whip your ass every time.   Every time. Yes.   So that's what's going on on an analogous type of thing.  

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Yeah.   Well and   then totally understand on that. There there is a question that I do have that's I know you guys have ran through it before.   And you the question had came up the other day when I was I don't know if it was yesterday or the day on Saturday or whatnot. But   I guess, eight u s c   one one one one zero one a 20 one.   Okay. And that's the one where it says that a national is   a,   for   it says that a person that,   won't even have it written down in front of me at the moment. Yeah. That would that this is so confusing.  

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Going into, well, we're going into the statutes now into the United States code, and that's where they've mangled and mongled and,   and turned all this shit upside down so you won't understand what they're saying.   Are is your question over The US national,   The US national label?  

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No. The the question is basically because it   if it when it came up   on   I looked at it through the court of law,   and it   says that a person that   a national or is a person who owes their their allegiance to and it says small estate.   Well, then they have where you can go to the definition just before it's underlined.  

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Yeah. Well, that's us. The problem with that state.   That's us. So I just wanna inject that. Go ahead.  

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Well, that's that's the thing. It has has me a little confused.  

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Well, it's meant to confuse you.   It's meant to confuse you. There's Marky. Is that is that,   is that straw man there? Yeah.  

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This is Mark all caps.   This is Mark all caps because your name in capital letters does not convey jurisdiction.   That definition   that, I because I missed your name.   Jim. Jim. Jim. Thank you, Jim.   I'm doing about five things at one time here this morning. So, anyway, Jim, that link and we've discussed this to   great the, links.  

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That link This call will be recorded.  

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Okay. This call is gonna be recorded. Good. Good.   Make sure you get it out there on social media. But that link   on eight USC   eleven oh one paragraph   A paragraph 21   is not correct. It refers to the corporate United States.  

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Exactly. That's what the proper definition.  

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It's   yeah. Yeah. That's Cornell's doing.   And if you read some of their disclaimers, they'll they'll let you know this, you know, this isn't   you you can't take it to the bank.   Alright? So,   we've gone in great lengths. There's another gentleman, researcher,   awesome guy out of California named Gavin   who's been on the show a couple times.   And   he went to the night now let me back up and preface this.   That section of law that we're talking about, the eight USC 11 o one,   was created in 1940.  

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Okay? Okay.  

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Now the question is is where where does congress get the definitions   from? Right?   Well, when you go when you the   the the Congress uses   or or I don't know if they may still use it, but there was a Webster's   University's   Dictionary.   That sucker's about eight inches thick.   I I bought one off of eBay just to confirm what Gavin said.   And,   again, it was 1940,   Webster's   University's   Dictionary.   Massive book.   And when you open that   and go look up that definition,   it's spelled with a small s,   state,   in in   paragraph   now there's different definitions   of states like your mental state and, you know, things like that. But when you get down to definition five, where it's referring to a   political   geography, if you will,   It refers to the smallest states as one of the 50 states that make up the union.  

There you go. And then they give you a list of all the old   state abbreviations,   like for Oklahoma, o k l a, period. That was used to be our abbreviation before they went to this   two letter   abbreviation for states that we use for mail.   Okay? Now if you turn the page,   there's a definition for a large s state,   and that refers to countries.   And it's right there.   I believe we have a copy of that over on nationalstatus.com.   That'll take you that'll take you to the national status website.   I'm not sure where it's at. I I I don't think I recently looked it up. But if I'm not mistaken,   I believe   I believe David,   had copied that   and put it over on their website. I'm trying to look for   I'll I'll go into the chats and see if he's responding because usually it's he's at work listening on the side. Yeah.  



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Okay.  

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See,   definition of state can be found in Black's dictionary,   third edition, and Webster's University's dictionary 1940.   So, anyway,   I don't know if David   has that posted to his website yet or not.   We're talking about possibly scanning those pages directly from the dictionary   and,   bringing them over to the website so everybody else can use those. You could actually use it in your court case or any kind of case you might be involved with. So Yeah. Hi, Marco. Hold on. You've also got that delineation, the difference spelled out and shown on the,  

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certificate of noncitizen nationality,   that policy statement from the state department travel dot state dot gov.   And after the policy statement at the top,   which says, it for American Samoans, and we used to issue these. We don't any longer because, you know, Jim, the cost of paper and ink has gotten pretty absorbent, so we can't go over our budget to print these. So we suggest you go get a passport. That's what it says, basically.   And then underneath it, there's explanatory stuff. And one of the early paragraphs there gives you I think it's section three zero eight of the INS,   and it uses that statement. A national is toast total allegiance to a smallest state. Alright. I'm not gonna we're gonna pick this right back up after Paul says bye bye to everybody. So we wanna give him his full thirty seconds here, don't we, Paul? We'll come back to this.  

I hope. Fight and remember.   Paul.   Paul's chasing the kitty.   Okay. Well,   Chicago and England, I think if you guys are still with us, we're about to  

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cut you off. You're gonna get cut off, and you gotta come over to the website and figure there he is right there. I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had I had a phone call. I would I stepped away from the program. You had a full +1 069   0   and radiosoapbox.com.   Thank you for joining us. Go to the matrixstocks.com   and,   click on EuroFoker Global Voice Radio or join us using free conference call. Thanks, guys.  

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Mhmm. Okay.   So if you go to that policy statement there,   underneath the policy statement, there's some paragraphs that break down   title eight of, in in in INA, Immigration Naturalization Act. The first one is that from and let me I'm gonna tell you where this comes from, Jim.   It comes originally from a statutes at large   act   called the Nationality   Act of 1940.   Mark said he saw these changes around that 1940.   Well, this is where they switched for the first time that I can find   the state citizen   to the term national.   So that's where it is. Okay?  

And if you go look that piece of legislation   up,   it'll say nationality act in 1940, big bold black letters there. And then an immediately underneath it, it it doesn't start the act. It starts with definitions.   And there's about seven or eight different definitions there. And the very first one, definition a, is this one we're talking about. So in the act, definition one, the first thing stated in the act. That's   I think that's important   somehow.   So what it says is a national owes total allegiance to a small estate. Now they pulled that   and took it over to the United States code and inserted that into title eight.  

Okay?   So now there's another one, c or d, one of those. I read it to Brent one day on the air, and he said, that's the biggest bunch of gobbledygook I've ever heard.   And what they were doing is two or three, lines.   And what they're doing is setting   up the states as outlined   territories.   So over in the code, they say, a national is someone born in American Samoa, Swains Island,   or the outline   territories.   That's the states.   But this is the way these guys work. Okay?   And so if you go down a little bit further on,   on the, certificate of non citizen nationality,   about two or three more little breaks where they explain something. There's the capital s. It says federal states, capital s, r,   District of Columbia,   Puerto Rico, etcetera, etcetera.  

So there's your demarcation   right there on that policy statement from the state.   Okay. K. Just to show you where that came from and what it is.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, sir.  

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Roger?  

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Yeah. This is this is   Mark. Oh, okay. David was just I'm not getting a text on her line.   David David put in the,   the chat that if you go to nationalstatus.com,   and in the search   box, type in   Black dictionary. It'll take you to their online   third edition of Black's Law Dictionary.   You can look up the word state, excuse me, you can you can look up the word state,   and you can find the small s definition of that.   And, I haven't seen it, but according to him, it matches up with the   the, Webster's   dictionary that I previously described. I yield. Okay.  

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Okay. Let's see what Mark Mark, we hadn't heard from you in a couple days. How you been, and what what do you have for us?  

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Good morning. Doing good.   And how are you, Roger? Pretty good.   Yep. I just went clouding up. You  

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cut I'm gonna get I'm gonna get less I'm gonna get less doing good as the clouds move in. Go ahead. I thought we're gonna have some today. Go ahead.  

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I was gonna mention the statue that look like you mentioned right now. So,   like the   definition does state it. In the USC   code, The United States code,   house.gov,   website also has definitions on there that you can go over.   And Congress does follow those   USC codes,   because it's connected to the Statues at Large.   And it's always good to go back to the original organic law and review what they say also   on there. And on the my Telegram group, National Status Freedom,   we have a section where   I'm putting down all the information where that we're learning about the state resident   and, you know, other words that we're using   in the telegram, and we go into that a lot in the   thread.  

So we do go over that often,   and, there's a lot of confusion,   but the main thing is   the state is the lower s. State is the sovereign state   for the people, the private people,   private individual as   the AG of California has acknowledged.   And,   the state of is the   commercial   corporations.  

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The political subdivision,   if you will. Just to  

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yes.   Just to give Jim a a visual   of that,   the Statutes at Large   is the main   organic   law   that is, either public or positive. You know, Nick, would have been nonpositive   laws. So it's good to   go over and review those also.   And you'll find a lot of information in there, under the USC code that connects to the statutes at large   in their website.   So just wanted to tell him that. Yeah. And welcome. Okay. This call is no longer being recorded.  

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It's no longer being recorded. Okay. Well, we must have got some good stuff in there.   He's welcome to join us on National Status Freedom, Roger. If he wants Well, I was gonna tell Jim and also the whole audience, because we've got people like Mirka and and Dave and Kaye and and and Devon and others who have   gone out of their way to set up things that they think will help other people because of the basic confusing nature of this subject matter.   And Mirka's is a telegram group. You know, Mirka got very inspired by the information years ago when she was first exposed to it and started to understand it. And she said, I want I wanna do something. I wanna be involved. And I said, well, we don't have a Telegram group. Go open Telegram group. Well, she has, and they've got over 500 people over there. If you're on Telegram for Jim or anyone else in the audience,   you go to national, one word, status, second word, freedom, and, and Merka will,   intercept your you're you coming in and ask you a question or two and,   let you in. And,   then you will have access to that information. The other is Dave and Kaye have   a very impressive website that they've put up. Kaye's done the   the the Internet work, and,   it it's got all kinds of incorporated   AI into it. You can   write your own the AI will write your own documents, and they got all kinds of fancy stuff over there. And that's nationalstatus.com   or   nationalstatus.info.  

On the website,   other folks, Devin, as,   another computer oriented guy,   has, done a 71   page book called the National Citizens Handbook.   And you can download it. It's on the website over there. Paul can give you exact address. But you can download it, print it, and hand it out to people, send it out to people in PDF.   Gary and Gina out in Montana, and Gary's finally coming out of a kind of a health crisis and getting where he can join us. He's probably listening today.   And they,   have,   done a three fold, a trifold little,   booklet that you can download and print and give out to people. There's all kinds of folks who have contributed resources, Jim,   and you can avail yourself of them. And it's just other folks that were   moved and motivated by the information, and I wanna do something. Okay. Do it. You know?  

Yeah.   So that's we got a lot of that out there for you. And we answered your question. I wanna get back to what you were asking because I thought you were gonna go into this US citizen   territory.   I mean, The US national territory.  

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My fault. Yeah. No. I've I've   kinda gathered a lot of that. I have been   listening for,   I wanna say, upwards of two years.   Oh, really? So I've been Wow. One of the ones lurking in the background trying to learn and Okay. And share this stuff with people that I know. Now Thank you. When I brought up in the beginning that I had   been in with the movement   in the nineties   in early nineties, and it I know that it had really upset   my   well, we'll say wife because but we still weren't married at the time.   And   she it upset her when I took this course   for ten weeks on Bovier's law. Oh, yeah.  

And   this was all   basically coordinated   through a town hall meeting.   And town hall meetings, and they were showing us how the full rights came from god and then man created   this the states and the   then the federal government and   and all of that. And   it was absolute blessing, gave me a big understanding. What was discouraging thing that I've had is virtually mostly everybody that I know   that learned that stuff and started applying things in their lives   have all turned their back   and   react react back into the system.   Did they get it and get in trouble? Did any of them get in trouble for doing things wrong? I'm I'm sure a lot of them did because it's not a lot of it was through one of the guys per se was doing the,   there was a lot of traffic stop, and he finally got fed up.  

The thing that really concerns me is   because I've had some talks   with   the   the the place that was holding   the town hall meetings   was a church that had opened it up to the public to come in. Okay. And   it was   an absolute blessing. He actually became a pastor for for many years.   And   I we're still in contact. I still visit with him and we still   communicate. And   his unfortunately,   it's been a   and I know that just from listening, and I'm not sure if I've got it right, but I'm I wanna say   Bob has   if he is the one that has  

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become a national, but his wife and Yeah. Has lost her son. Yeah. Okay. We've got a number of those types of situations. It's not all bad, But, you know, these ladies, they get real upset. They don't wanna be visited by IRS and US Marshals and Exactly. Like for me in the the the last year or I own my home. No. It was a couple years. Like 1996   in Atlanta.   In one year, I had IRS.   I had the FBI come to the door for one morning. It was an Olympic thing. And the other was, I had the US Marshals come after my roommate   and, to extradite him to Pennsylvania, and they busted in my house. So in one year, you know, I had all three of those. And if I would've had a girlfriend at that, I don't think that she'd have appreciated that too much.  



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Yes.   Yes. And that's that's the thing that   because I've I've brought this up to   the pastor and   I mean, we   we even met years back with,   because that was the   Baptist Temple,   in Indiana. In Indianapolis.  

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Yeah. In Indianapolis. Yes. That came up the other day. And we we met with miss with pastor Dixon.  

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He was at a prophecy club meeting out here in Phoenix or Glendale area in the,   Valley Of The Sun.   And   but   with everybody   understanding   a lot of the stuff that   where the government was run a rough shot over everybody.   And the thing that really concerns me is here with not with   pastor Dixon, but with our our pastor here,   is he's pretty much said that   it's lost. And I and I've always kinda looked at it and what I was always kinda felt like I was taught and led   was that   one with   the will in the will of God is better than a multitude outside of.   And   Probably agree with that. But he's flat out telling me that if I   pursue what I'm doing,   then I am turning my back   on my   wife and family   and buying a life of Satan.  

And I'm like, are you kidding me?  

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No. He just didn't see it.  

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And he should be one of the first ones because   okay. When he brought up with,   pastor Dixon   was that   he had not killed the corporation.   They   that's why they were able to go in, and pastor Dixon had brought up that they would   the feds wanted all of the information on any of the people that were   enrolled as members.   And Of course. I don't know if it was a private school and all that type of stuff.   And because they hadn't successfully killed the corporation,  

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that Well, they hadn't revoked. They hadn't let let let let let get it on. They had not revoked their 501   c three.   They wouldn't recognize them. Okay. What happened? Okay.  

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Exactly.   And that's that's where our pastor had done that in Arizona. He had all killed him.  

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Okay. So that's okay. Well, we're not talking about churches here. We're talking about individuals. Okay? And Exactly. You could ask him you could ask him. Doesn't the doesn't the bible say you're not supposed to falsely swear?   Doesn't it?  

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Yes.  

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Well, what what do you do? He doesn't have a yourself a what are you doing calling yourself a former black slave?  

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Gotcha. R Gotcha. R  

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Okay. Yeah. Mark, what do you got here, Sue? I gotta let Mark see what he's got on the phone. People in other countries?  

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What what about people in other countries? Can they be a Christian   without being a US citizen?   That's just the most asinine statement I've ever heard a was it a minister who said that? Yes. That's crazy.  

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Yeah. Well, he was basically just   confronting me on the fact that I was putting my fam not putting my family.  

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That's such baloney. He don't know what he's talking about. At all. No. Because he he doesn't know what he's talking about. Information. What's going on is the other bad in the bush?  

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He's going on older information where people got in trouble. He doesn't know what we're teaching, and you've been trying to post it to him in sound bites, and he didn't know what you're talking about. Okay? All his framework   is everybody that's ever done this has gotten in trouble. And here, ours is everybody nobody that's ever done this has gotten in trouble.   Ours is exactly the opposite of that. Go ahead, Jim.  

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No. And and totally understandable. I just it's it's been frustrating because I I I can relate with what you've brought up about   going through years and years of being ostracized   and not listened to and looked at as a kook because   Oh.   Nobody wants to even look into it themselves.  

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I've been called every ugly name under the sun. K? I mean, really.   Absolutely. They I tell you one other thing you might show him. You might show him Revelation 18 where it says come the come out of her, my people. Come out of her. Ask him what that means and why they say it twice.  

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Yes.   Okay. So if you And that's that's the thing that   I Well and then and then I try to share with some folks too that are   actually TSA.   Yeah. And they're in kind of upper   management   supervisor type of positions and whatnot, so they should know.   And   I've asked them, you know, do you, you know, about the national status and passports and being able to you don't have to be a US citizen to,   and it's like they don't have no clue. And or he's just plain dumb.  

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No. I think they don't know. And you are still a citizen. See, here's the all this,   equivocation they put in this. This is very confusing for people, and you can understand why. You are a citizen even though you're labeled a national. You're a capital c citizen of The United States Of America. They just relabel it. So, you know, all these things in people's minds. Again, if you don't know these things with specificity,   they will fool you every time.   And that they have. Look how successful this little ploy has been. It's so simple. It's very simple. But, boy, look how effective it is. They've taken control of the whole damn world with it.  

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Yes.   Yep.   Unfortunately.  

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Well,   yes. But,   for some reason, Jim, we're different.   And, when this information crosses our paths, we may as I've said so many times, I remember the first weekend I was with John and Glenn all weekend, a beautiful fall day there. And,   in in August, I believe it was. And,   I didn't have any idea this all this high end legal stuff and all these equivocations   in there presenting all this, and my head was spinning.   And, but I knew there was something of great substance there.   And that's a and I guarantee you that if we ask Paul to everybody in the audience right now, a bunch of people would be in that position right there. They didn't understand it worth a hell, but they knew there was something of substance there and they continued to look. And the more you look with most people that are really truth seekers, you're gonna find the answer there. And it's here. They don't have this power. Nothing gave them all this power to control the country and do all this other stuff. This is the underpinnings of all of it right here.   Yes. Because   they can get a property right on you this way.  

And they don't want you to feel like a slave. They want you to feel free because they're none so helplessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they're free. And then they wanna go on and they use that because it's that property right   that allows them to start the spigot of the credit system   with the bonds.   They sell bonds into the debt market, and they've gotta pay those back. That's the first step of the whole credit system.   And because they've got a property right on you,   they get to build up administrative   agencies and have manmade unelected bureaucrats make rules and regulations for you that they can enforce on you. Those are the two reasons that they did this.  



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Okay. Yep.  

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So what else, Jim? Do you want me to clarify the   alright. Hold on. Let me let me see if Jim's got any other questions. I know there's a female right there. Yeah. Jim, do you have any other questions or do you wanna hear from this lovely lady?  

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Well,  

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listen to the lovely lady coming in. That's right. Okay. And we can go we don't go away. We can discuss your stuff if we hadn't covered it. Who was that? Was that Nancy or Thora? Or who  

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It's Thora.  

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Hey, Thora.  

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Hey.   I just wanted to quickly say that,   the pastor needs to understand that,   as national, we are under God's law. So Yep. I don't I don't know what he's talking about, but,   sounds like he just needs some education.   We are under God's law. We go back from being under   man made laws to   God's law. So I don't see any higher form of,   you know,   being being faithful to God.  

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Thora, thank you for bringing that point up. I neglected it, and that is probably the biggest point if you have further conversations is   what I'm doing is I'm shirking man's law, civil rights, under the fourteenth amendment for freed black slaves, and I'm stepping back over under God's laws with constitutional   protections like I was supposed to be born with that was stolen from me. This is another thing you could tell him. Okay. What's going on right here?   Esau Edom   is stealing his birthright back.   See   if he see if he bites on that one. Hold on, Dave. Yes. See if he bites on that one, Jim. Let's see what Dave's got down here. Thank you, Thora.  

You're welcome. What, Dave? Yes. What, Dave?  

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Yeah. So Thomas Jefferson said, resistance   to tyranny   is obedience  

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to God. To God. I'm sure there's some more. Man, there's so much ammunition you you can give this guy,   that he's gonna feel bedazzled. Yes, Martha.  

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It's natural   law.  

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That's God's law. Okay. It's all these different labels is up for the same thing,   is under God's law. And, and you owe God your duties.   Ask him if he would rather owe his duties to God or to the federal government.  

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Well, one of the things that I have to bring up just because and I think you mentioned it with Tom d in the interview   was that,   you know, it opened up with,   a good speaker, says what they're gonna tell you, and then they tell you Right. They told and then they Yeah. Tell you what they told you. And a lot of times, I think I've also heard you saying I don't know if it was in that interview or since then, but you had brought up that sometimes people need to hear something seven times before they actually get into their   mind.  

Yeah. And I guess one of the things I do sometime.   Well, I I,   I used to have a,   like, a video ministry,   at the church.   And there was a lot of material that was coming in, and and I'm not sure if you guys have and it goes a little bit off subject, but it was about the,   real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia.   And a lot of them, it was, like,   didn't wanna hear it and everything. And then when he finally did see it, this was, like, four or five years later, he   was like, how to come you didn't tell me it was so important? Well, that's what I keep trying to tell him now even about Yeah. Right. You know,  

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national Have you ever heard that old, that old story, Jim, about the people there in the Mississippi Valley? And they had one of those seasonal floods.  

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Mississippi Valley?  

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And they had one of those seasonal floods, you know, about, like, this time of year.   And, so they've overflowed the levee and they're on top of the house there and a boat comes along and says, come on, get in the boat. We'll take you to save you. No. No. We're waiting for the Lord.   And so then a helicopter comes over and they hover down, drops up. So climb up in the helicopter. We'll take you safe. You know? No. We're waiting on the Lord. And finally, they drowned. And they get up to heaven. They go, well, well, you you didn't save us. You're the hell I sent you a boat and a plane.  

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Exactly.   Gotcha.   Yep. And that that's   you know, I I still lift them up in prayer and all that. I've I've   I've just had   at times, it's hard it's hard to keep from being discouraged, but at the same time, I'm encouraged. Boy,  

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tell me.   Question. Tell me. You don't know the the trials and travails I've been through on this path. Mark, what do you got?   Wasn't that Mark? Said question. That was that was me.   Oh, I thought it was Mark. Sorry, Paul. Go quest go talk to Jim here, our friend, Jim.  

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Yeah.   Question. Are you a member of this church? Yes.  

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You are.   I have I have been over the years. I was there pretty   well involved for probably twenty five years.   I had to kind of step away   because   of,   kind of disagreement   on the   I didn't want to   be disruptive,   I guess, with the   minister and pastor.   And   I was always asking questions during bible studies and stuff, and and it was more in the lines of   when I first started going there, he said we   we   cover the whole council of God. So it's all about context and time. So, like, Old Testament   is Hebrew and the Greek, and then it all kinda started shifting into more Greek.   And I was   we had gone to   learning stuff that was about,   Hebrew word pictures from doctor Frank Seekins,   who's here in the Valley Of The Sun.  

That just opened up the 10 commandments just in the pictorial   ancient   Right. Phoenician,   script.   And it it That was that was  

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that was just what I wanted to know was was if you were Yeah. A member of the church   and if you had a a serious aversion to being excommunicated from it because I know exactly what to ask this pastor   whenever he tells you you're not being Christian by going against the government.   Okay?   Ask him if the church is a five zero one c three,   and he, of course, is gonna say yes. He is a  

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it it is a,   what was it, a five zero eight? Okay. He's a 508C1A.   Yes.  

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Okay. Alright. Well, well, that's you   That It used to be a 501C3   and was actually pulled out. He he And he changed. And they allowed that. That that's good because it's all Yes. It was almost very difficult to get out of that once you'd entered into it like a lobster trap. Go ahead, Paul. Okay. Well well, that's that's what I was getting at. So he's already partially awake because he saw a problem with being a 501 C 3 Yeah. And not being able to talk about those things that he wasn't supposed to talk about.   So Yes. Good on him for that.  



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Absolutely.   And and that's what's cons concerned me is because I can't communicate with him on things that   God used to draw me to   that   congregation and then and   and and I  

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I don't know anything else to tell you, but that you've gotta accept that. You can continue to try and plant seeds. But I've been through this so many times with people,   and some people, man, are just not meant to see this, and I don't know why.   I can't explain it. I had a two hour conversation.   You know who Todd Callender is?   I've heard of him, but I'm not He's a big time attorney. He's an international law, attorneys from Colorado, but he lives over in Bahamas and a nice guy. He's on a number of different shows, and I was dying once he appeared to get a hold of him. And one of our   good listeners set me up up had communication with him and set up a two hour you know, I spent two hours with him on the phone, and he didn't get it. And he's an attorney.  

I think what happened was he's brand new to the movement,   so he's getting inundated with all this stuff. And one of his his paralegal or something had,   had been involved with Anavon rights.   Oh, yeah. You know, here's the thing I'll get. Oh, yeah. We know all about that national thing. Well, I'm sorry. You don't. If you don't know the information we got, you don't know about it. Okay? You may think you do, but you don't. Alright? And that's what Todd Callender. Two hours. Didn't get it, man. So some people,   it's just not meant for them to get it. Now that doesn't mean we're not supposed to try and give it to them and plant seeds. Of course, that's the Yes. Alleviation of us from the watchmen on the wall prophecy in the Old Testament.  

But,   but, man, I mean, and I know it's frustrating and it's people you'd know you go, man, that guy, I know he'll get it, and they don't get it. And then the most unlikeliest   of persons will come up to you and they get it asking questions.   Hell, there's not any rhyme or reason to it that I found in all these years, Jim.  

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Yeah.  

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Okay. There's a spiritual component to it,   but I don't know Yes. Totally why. If there there here's a pastor, you'd think he'd have that spiritual gene. But, obviously, he had he hadn't. They don't say he doesn't. We don't know. You make get him on the next round. But at this point, he doesn't have it. And man has been one of my   and this is what my old friend wrote down That's the thing. Okay. We'd say, hold on. I'll just Yes. Finish with this story and give a little bit of recognition of my old deceased friend, Ron Brown, who was my buddy and all this stuff from the first very first. And and Ron said, what makes us so different?   What what how can we bottle it, patent it, whatever?  

What makes us so damn different from all these other people?   And I of another guy says,   well, you know what it is? He says, you're the chosen people.   Well, how about that for a turn? Okay? You're the chosen people. You're the truth seekers from the Old Testament. That's why we're all here. We seek truth. Remember what was it? Gideon With his armies?   And and he told this he told this guy, he said, only get the ones that look up while they're drinking.   See, I've always thought we're the ones that look up while we're drinking.  

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Yeah.  

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Okay. So I'll get off my soapbox on that.  

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Oh my. You're you're good. I I just,   it it it it just baffles me because I you know, one of the good friends of mine that actually first introduced me to,   because I was having things going on with, like, insurance companies   and stuff in my early days in the nineties. And   the,   I was like, you know, these insurance companies are acting like God.   And he brought me into   America's Godly Heritage through David Barton's material in at Waldenridge.   And,   it just kinda everything snowballed,   and I just was growing and growing and growing.   And,   I don't know. Now I find myself in a situation because   as far as work wise goes,   been out of work for a while, but at the same time, it's it's hard because I don't want to   I've compromised so many different times in so many different ways   and knew that the whole   w two   or w four type thing and the all that was.  

And I just   I wanna   get back to working, but everything says we can't   hire you   because of insurance for for instance.   And and it's like it's just gone full circle.  

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Okay. Well, I don't know about the insurance stuff. I hate it. No. I mean, just as far as with with,  

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before it was,   like, homeowners insurance, but then Oh.   What I'm running up to now is even get hired with a company.   It's   an insurance thing.   So I'm like, man, this is to pull the trigger on being able to put in an affidavit and I know. Turn around and hit a snowball.  

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Snowball. Alright. Stoneballing. Alright. Hold on. Somebody's wanting to say something to that. I understand that, Jim.   We have people, I guess, that get employed using it. It's,   and I don't know. Maybe there's something in your particular circumstance. Who was trying to say something right there?   Somebody was saying something.   Was it an accident?   Okay. Sorry, Jim.   I guess those mutes are mutes can be very sensitive at times.   Well Yes. I don't have any real concrete answers to you're gonna have to pray about it and and follow your heart. And,   there you can check on here if you've been a listener for a long time. You know, you never hear people on here with the exception of the traffic crap   where it come on here and go, man, you sold me a bill of goods since they came and did this and that and the other.  

You never hear that.   I don't know of one instance of it over all these years, really,   except the people that didn't do this.   If you didn't do this, you sub yourself subject yourself potentially to that. If you do this, it's, oh, you're gonna love this, Jim. When you do this, guess what it is?   It's insurance.  

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Okay.  

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May I Insurance against them coming and screwing with you.   Yeah. And and it's it's virtually never wrong. Okay. Somebody's trying to say something. Who said may I?   I did first.  

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Okay. Do you ever do anyway, I'd like to ask him, what does he do and what kind of insurances   that are they saying they can't hire you because of?  

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Well,   one of the things is is,   well, for over forty years, I've done tile and and, stone.   Basically, I have travertine floors and build showers and stuff like that. So I've done   a a lot of stuff in construction, and and that was always under   the,   w fours and   and with the wood holding and everything.   And after forty some odd years now I wasn't with the same company. I went where there was work   and   to do what I can to provide it for the family.   But the problem is that do that  

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can't you do that as an independent contractor instead of an employee?  

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No. I'd always done it as  

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a as a, Well, that wasn't my question.   I know how you always done it. You told us. But could you go in and say, I'm not an employee. Can you can you bill me as an independent contractor and $10.99 me?   Then you're clean.  

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Yeah. And that that was, like,   the big concern that I've had too is because they're your so they want you to sign that darn ten ninety nine thing. And   Well, that's okay. To me, it seems it seems like that,   But you're not But they they want all your information as far as your name and   it it's to me, it kinda seems like an an infringement  

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on that. Well, they're probably gonna make you fill out a nine nine. What are you gonna do about that?   Not alien permitted to work.   That's where they've got that hidden, by the way. You're an alien because you're not a federal citizen, and you're permitted to work because you've got God given rights, and they can't impose on anything not to be able to work. Or yeah.  

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And that's that's the thing that I always looked at with Arizona is with my team of state.  

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Well, we just need to get with you, Jim, and get these things smoked out. You know? You know what an objection is, really?   This   an objection in a sales situation isn't a   is is an unanswered question.   So that's what's going on. You got unanswered questions that you're relying on your side without asking the question, how can I get around that? Okay. This way. Boom boom. Mark, what did you have to say?  

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Well, I was just gonna, tell everybody that on the nationalstatus.com   website, if you scroll across the top header,   there's a link that says remedy   and ends on that next page or in the drop down menu,   there's the internal revenue service, and they go over the I nine and the e verify,   all the stuff that you need leading up to the point of employment.   And then the other thing too is   and I I keep harping on this, and and I hope people will take to heart.   This stuff about signing your name, using your Social Security number,   that is old   patriot mythology,   and people are scared to death   to sign stuff,   put put a Social Security number down when it doesn't matter any longer as a national.  

I'm   I'm not joking. The more I noodle on this with garlic and butter, Roger,   I I, you know, you just start coming to the realization   that your information, Roger's information about the national status,   in my opinion, and I've been in this since the late nineties in the, quote, patriot movement, and I left that whole mess.   They can't support it in law and so on and so forth. Roger was talking to my love language. Look at this case. Look at this Supreme Court case. Look at this statute. Look at this.   All got   the receipts.  

And   the national status,   in my opinion,   over twenty five years as a paralegal,   is the holy grail.   You don't have to look over your shoulder. If once you have established   yourself as a national,   which I which I believe if you ultimately want to lock that in, you get your passport   and attach your affidavit of citizenship   evidence with that. Okay? That'll launch you in.   And you have, of course, your copy   and and your proof that it was delivered to the Secretary of State's office.   And from this point on,   you know, you're good. The only people you're really gonna run into a big problem with is gonna be the traffic law.   That's their money making business, and they don't want you interfering with it. And we got people working on that. Now that's not my hill that I wanna   that be on, but I support everybody else who wants to   and I'll help them the best that I can   with with my knowledge, but   you know, I'm just telling you when it comes to,   you know, getting a job,   whether you're a contractor   or a w two employee,   you have no fear in using your Social Security number, which is a contract number. It doesn't tie you to the government.  

And Roger was a national when he applied for his Social Security.  

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So So if it cuts you out of my affidavit, I'll send him a copy of the affidavit with the, with the application.  

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Here you go. Gotcha. So no fear. No fear. You gotta you gotta try to get get that old patriot mythology   out of your head. That's a that's one of our biggest challenges because   the freedom seekers, the, quote, patriot movement, they're looking for information.   And when they find our information,   all they can hang on to is what they've already been taught.   And they still hang on to it.   And, you know, that's why I come on and say, my name's Mark, all caps in all capital letters,   because your name in all capital letters does not convey jurisdiction.   It does not automatically   convey jurisdiction   over you.  



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Hi, Jimmy. You're breaking up or somebody was trying to respond. Okay. Hold on. Merkel was trying to say something. Just hold hold on a second, Merkel. This is the you know,   if there's one thing, Jim, that I try and impose on people, if you've been listening, you've heard me do it.   You've got the power.   That's the biggest thing. You're whatever. Can I ask permission? Can I do this? What if this happened?   That's because you're under their power and you gave yours to them. Take it back.   It's that simple. Exactly. What you are if you wanna move to Mexico and go be a resident of Mexico, you can do that, can't you?   Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey. Or down here, me with Ecuador or anywhere in the world. Because you've got the free will to live under whatever set of laws   you wanna live under. And that's the same principles going on right here, except they've hidden   Mexico or they've hidden whatever the other country is because it's within our own country and they've veneered over it with the federal government.  

So that is a big confidence builder. You don't have to ask them permission for nothing, for jack squat.   You tell them, I'm not one of your serfs anymore.   You and they behind that is   multiple layers of fraud and all the other crap they pulled, so they have to recognize it. I mean, I could go deeper, other other approaches to this, but they've got to recognize it. That's why they can't say no. Marco, what do you got for Jim and the audience? For Jim,  

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he   just so he understands, he lived in   Arizona State, not  

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state of Yeah. State of Arizona.  

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Exactly. Exactly. State of of Arizona is a corporation,   and they have no authority   over the national, the private individual.   They have no authority. You're the authority now. And I wanted to ask him where in Arizona is he? Because,   Phoenix. Phoenix. Have Tim on Telegram.   Oh, he's close to kinda close to, Tim. So if you would like to reach out, I can connect,   Tim and and him together  

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so they can chat and connect together. Jim, do you have Telegram on on your computer?   No. I don't. No. I don't. I'm, Well, it's just a this is a Telegram. I'm one of these old old school guys. Yeah. Yes. I know. I have one. Yeah. You're a Luddite. Technology thing is. Yep. You're a Luddite. Hey. Hey. When you got children, though, they're my my guess is your children aren't Luddites. Would that be correct?  

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Absolutely. And they're everybody is so frustrated with even wanting to walk me through anything that it's like, you know, just get in there and learn it yourself because I'm not gonna walk. Yeah. Well, okay. And it's it's not hard to use. No. It's true. Anyway, you I posted the link in there, Roger, and he can reach out to you now and learn how to get that.  

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Mark has got up the thing over there. 500 more people involved. You but you gotta have Telegram on to access it.   So, you can do that. We've got the Dave and Kay's,   the nationalstatus.com   over there. You can access that probably a little easier on your computer with just a browser.   Anyway, you have come back. You know? Is there at this point, Jim, we've been   talking all around the block here. Is there what other questions do you have   for us today?  

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Well and   there is some,   I've had   And I'm not a % sure because I was looking at the document before, but I'd I'd have done   gold mining and I've got hold some claims.   And from what I understand was in the 1872   Mining Act. Mining Act? Right. They basically put it out that that you the Mining Act of 1872  

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is where the regulations for mining claims and stuff comes from today. I think that's right. And you're in a you're in a rich territory here. I'm gonna tell you why in a minute. Go on.  

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Well, the the thing that's had me concerned is that I've heard about it, and I've been a part of some of the mining clubs, and they say that you gotta be a US citizen.  

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Well, you are you're a citizen of The United States Of America, not a federal state. Of America. National citizen. They're you're a citizen.  

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Exactly. See these labels And that's that's one of the things  

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It's the labels that screw people up. That's why I say   approach this in your understanding. Work on the concepts. What's the big concept here? We have constitutional protections and direct connection with God from whom we get our capital r rights and to whom we owe our capital d duties. We've got that. That's what we're moving to.   Okay?   Yes. So anyway yeah. I feel you know, here, Jim, I'm a   I've sensed a lot of fear from you, and I think it's just because you don't realize you've got the power here and that they have been you. For whatever reason, you've been a really good victim of their conditioning.   They're you're not the only one. I'm not signaling you out. Oh, I'm absolutely.  



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Absolutely.   And I I understand that.  

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Yes. Well, we wanna get you over  

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that.   Exactly.   I wanna get over it myself too. It's  

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a Okay.   Realize the terms that I've had. Power. I I said this a minute ago, and it may have gone over your head. You know about Esau, Edom. Right?  

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And Jacob. About what?  

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Esau, Edom, and Jacob.  

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Oh, yes. Yes. Esau, Edom. Yeah. Absolutely. Esau came out first,  

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and he was red. Okay? And that's why communist take on red color, I think. Alright. They know who they are. And then Jacob Yep. Whether he was holding his ankle or whatever came out second. Because Edom was first, he got the birthright.   He later on traded it for a bowl of porridge to who became Jacob. Okay?   What they've done is set this thing up to steal that birthright back from you. They've tricked you out of it by getting you through all these mechanisms   to answer those two questions. Yes. I'm a citizen of United States. I'm a resident and sign something.   Boy, once you got that, they got all the plausible deniability they need. You wanna   let me see if I can bring up a very topical,   timely   example   of plausible deniability.  

Eighty six forty seven.   Oh, I was just walking down the beach, and my wife and I saw these pretty shells. And somebody went to the trouble to make that eight different kind.   We really didn't know what it meant. We thought it might have been some sort of a political statement.   I took a picture,   and it's just so innocent.   Plausible deniability   right there.   Yeah. And now the whole bunch of those liberals are putting those signs up in their yard and crap. This is the veil that we've pierced.   See, they can't put that crap up in front of us.   We went right to the heart. Yep. Okay?  

Get re empowered.   Jim, you've got the power, man. You're stopping yourself from accessing it.   Find a way to get around that.  

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Yes.   Well My suggestion little   question. Yes. One one other question as far as,   okay, birth certificate wise.   I wasn't born in Arizona. So   is is that gonna be in any way a conflict  

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by Where where where were you born?  

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I was born in Missouri.  

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Okay. Well, no no big deal. So you live in Arizona. Everything's cool.   Nope. No problem. Birth certificate this guy that I was talking to last night that I hadn't talked to in a couple of years, one of our real good early aggressive students,   Brian,   he's the one that got us all the information on this birth certificate. Have you never heard that story since you've been listening? Listening? Yes. I have. Yes. I've heard. Okay. Well, there's that that's from this   that's straight from the horse's mouth. You know, the girl comes back and goes, you're not gonna hold anything I tell you against us, are you?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Please. Well and and that's one of the things that you've brought up about, like, with the,   you know, filing the affidavit with   a,   a passport   and having take you know,   that wouldn't throw any problems   in even though that   by birth or   by   God's   placing   me with my parents and,   being born in Missouri   was,  

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wouldn't be a a conflict in their thing from just the documents wise because Of course not. It makes no difference. So they just wanna make sure you have that document. And, of course, the birth certificate is serving two purposes.   One of which most people don't understand   is because you're born into this condition. As I was telling who was one of the gals yesterday, Moe, I think. The minute   your feet come out from your mama's birth canal,   you're born. Is that right?  

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Yes.  

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As soon as your feet come out. Before, if your feet if you're about your depth down to your hips on being born and the rest of your little torsos inside mama,   you're not born yet.   You're half born. Yeah. So it's not until you're completely born that this thing, all persons born or naturalized, comes into effect.   That's the enslavement.   It's invisible and it's at birth. And there's not a lot of reasons and that's provable. Okay? And so,   that's what goes on now.   You're under their control and the trick comes in. Now you're presumed because you're born and you're in this condition to be part of their little,   their their   their little security collateral crap.  

And then, of course Yeah. Their birth certificate   doesn't cause that. You being born caused it. The birth certificate   represents it.   It manifests it. So they can because they can't go and attach you little your little title and butt over to a bond. They can do that with that piece of paper,   and that's what's going on.  

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Yeah.  

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And this is very slick. And, man, you know, it goes back to there's Bob right there. It goes back to the,   that I've learned over studying this and hit me when I've never heard anybody else say it.   Whenever you look at something they're doing, the hook is always at the front.   Definition a in the nationality act,   1.1 dash one a over in the Internal Revenue Code. Fourteenth amendment, all persons born. The hook is always at the front on one of these important initiatives. Okay. Bob, how are you doing today? Your name came up earlier. We rubbed the bottle and the genie appeared.   Gee. And I wasn't even aware of it. I've been kinda in and out of the conversation for the last twenty minutes, and   this probably has already been brought up. But the gentleman speaking, I'm not sure the name. Is it George?  

Jim. Jim.  

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Jim. Jim. Okay.  

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You know,   equal opportunity employment council, etcetera, etcetera. I can't cite chapter and verse. I don't know the statutes. I don't know all that. But bottom line is if they discriminate   against you on the basis of nationality   Yeah. You got a case. You could own them.  

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Yeah. Gotcha.  

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Okay. They cannot discriminate just because they don't approve of your political stance.   Your political stance is your Realize he's he's in one of the most corrupt states in the union, Bob. Now you gotta give him a little bit of a a room here.   I was gonna say that Take an arm off a cigar cactus and go down there and wail on them a little bit. They need to be wakened up.  

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And what, Merca? What were you say add, Merca? I was say I was gonna say that earlier. I forgot, and Bob mentioned it. So that's awesome. Thank you, Bob.  

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Oh, boy. Did you see what Trump has done with this AG that they didn't want in as the district? I can't I think his name's Wade.   He's a long time loyalist and a really, really straight shooter, and it scared the woo woo out of them to think he'd be over DC.   Well, Trump made a whole new position for him, and now he's over the whole United States with jurisdiction   to end all these crooked states like yours, Jim.  

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Yeah. It's a crooked one.   I tell you.   Well, maybe things here that are just ridiculous.  

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Oh, it's just incredible, the stories I've heard out of there. So, Jim, what else? I wanna tell you how, how   glad I am you stepped forward here after a couple of years of lurking   and engaged us today because this has been wonderfully entertaining. I I love these kind of shows with new folks and all the other folks coming in and brain trusting you, if you will.   And, we really welcome you, and thanks for,   filling in so much time today on this. We wanna help you.   May I?   I I appreciate it. Here's Irby.  

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Yeah. Hey, Irby. Hey. I wanna I wanna personal note, Jim. I was a student under the professorship   of doctor Dixon   back in the eighties.   And Okay.   I I maintain we weren't buddies, but I maintained a   correspondence with him all the way up until his, passing when he lived in Florida.   And so it was really neat all the conversations we'd have by letter and phone. And I would love I'm just a personal thing. If you're gonna stay over to the after time   where I can give you my email and we can reach out and get in touch because I'm just an old dude with plenty of time on my hands and reach out and be friends because you seem like my kinda guy.  

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Yeah. He's a wizened   he's a wizened fellow with an awful lot of wisdom,   Urbie is.  

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Yeah. That's about  

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Yeah. I don't I don't know if you have the time to go into the after show because once we say goodbye here Yeah. Just hang around, Jim, after we There's more more there's more time.  

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Yeah. We can then Okay. Broadcast all over the world. So everybody sends Urbice emails. That'd take up your free time, wouldn't it, Urbice?  

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Okay. I've got  

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anybody anybody else got anything for for Jim or any of us? Any comments, anything? Good show today.  

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I just want folks to know that,   Global Voice Network does continue to stay live after 1PM eastern. Yes. We do. Eurofolks shuts down at 1PM sharp. Yeah. But, Global Voice Network does continue to broadcast for some time after that.   Basically, when the when the after discussion   that's associated with the show   ice,   then I take that stream down. But I'm gonna be taking down pretty pretty early this afternoon because I've got things I've got to do.  

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Anyway, yeah. I mean, that still is being recorded. We're just not on the full   broadcast contingent at that point, I don't think. Right. Project. So,   yes, ma'am.  

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That's for you. Again, I I just wanted to,   sorry.   I'm I'm really enjoying listening to this conversation today, and I just wanted to say to Jim,   and I I can just speak from my experience with this that the thing that's gonna overcome your fear,   any fear that you have is learning the information and getting command of it. And we are also eager to help new people,   that,   you have a you have a really good support system here with us and we'll teach you, you know, as much as you wanna learn and that's what's gonna get you over the fear. And once you get over the fear, it doesn't matter if a pastor or   anybody in your life   questions,   what you're doing. You're gonna know   inside that,   this is, you know, this is the,   one thing that really gives you   power. It takes your power back. Yep. And Yep. I can't speak to it enough. It has changed my life so much and having this,   radio show to listen to every day and this group of people   is just amazing. So I just wanted to encourage you with those words.  



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Thank you. Thank you. It's very special. Ask your pastor friend what pastor Peters yes, ma'am. If you'll hold on just a second.   Pastor Peters used to say, and I'm sure you've probably heard me say it, Jim,   you serve the one you fear.   Ask your pastor friend who is he serving.  

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Yes, Julie. That's right.  

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Hi. It's me, Julie.   Hey, Jim. I'm one of the newer students, on here. And I just tell when I found Roger's show, I had been I had to unlearn everything from Anna Von Wright and Bobby Lawrence and David Strait. And when I found the show, I just jumped in feet first. Thora helped me, Larry helped me,   and,   Mirka helped me.   And I just filed that affidavit   to every single place, and I didn't even know what I was doing. I just went and then I and then I just like, okay, now I gotta learn this stuff. So I did it back backwards. I didn't even know it and I filed all this and then learned it afterwards. You have a great group here and you don't have anything to fear, but fear itself. Fear is false evidence appearing real and you have the right to determine your status.   So I highly recommend you get on board with all of us because we're one great huge happy family. That's right. We all help each other. Roger's amazing.  

Mark's amazing.   Mark will help out with all any letters and stuff that we get that are just, you know, threatening letters or just form letters that come out. We these people don't have any power over you after you become a national. So I say go for it. Get your affidavits in Sure. And, and and go forward because, we would love to have you on board. I yield. That's right. You know, Jim, I can illustrate to you how powerful this information is and life changing because Julie used to be a shy retiring wallflower.  

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Go ahead, Paul.  

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Yeah. And the Whistler is amazing too. Roger's amazing. Mark is amazing. The Whistler as well. Julie's amazing.  

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Yeah. What a forum.   What a format. Well, we sure do love you and, glad to Everybody's  

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amazing. A lot. Everybody's amazing. Honestly,  

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I told you she used to be shy and retiring.   And,   everybody's   starting and enjoying it. We thank you, Jim, and anybody else's do.   You don't have to lurk necessarily whenever you feel comfortable.   You want if you step forward, Jim, would you say you got a lot of attention today?  

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Very kind of a fireman. Absolutely. Wow.  

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Okay.   Well, if you'd like to get some attention and some answers, we're here for you six days a week.   Most weeks,   very rarely do we stray occasionally.   But anyway, it's a exciting time and we're growing and we've got Excalibur.   Well, how could life be better? You got Excalibur. Come on.   Swing it both sides. Razor sharp. Razor   razor sharp. Right. So we'll be back to get after tomorrow. Somebody's rogering right now, but I've got to just say, hold on. We're gonna click off of the, Eurofolks system,   and I will,   engage a little of the after time with y'all here. So we're gonna lay our bodies down, see you tomorrow, same time, same place. Bye.  

Okay. Now who was saying Roger there? Bruce.  

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This is Bruce. Bruce. Can you hear me? Yeah. Oh, barely. Hey.   Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. I've got my headset.   Anyway,   I'd like for him to join the the crew   so I can be off the pecking order.   He'll be on the pecking order then. I mean, I'll be off. Okay.  

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Alright. You're not on any order, Bruce. What are you talking about?  

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I'm   pretty sure she's back on the farm, you know. Joking  

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around.  

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Okay.   No. No.   Definitely hang out here because,   there are people here that will help you learn everything you want to know,  

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and they'll push you to learn just a little bit more. So Yep. It's a pretty amazing little situation that's built up here. This format,   highly unusual. It's just   well, what happened was it developed through a series of other screw ups, and   and I've got enough background in radio to realize what we've got here and and seize on it and kinda push the envelope that way. I just love the format.  

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K? Mhmm.  

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So, now that especially, we're back except when everybody wants to talk at once, that's when it got a little confusing. But I think chaotic. Overcome that   and,   overcome some other obstacles, and we got something that's pretty special right here. Yes, sir, mister Samuel?  

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Yeah. I just wanted to say something to Jim,   on all those vexing theological   questions   that have separated   so many Christians   without real good cause, in my opinion.   I suggest,   if you look in   or into a guy by the name of,   Heizer, Michael Heizer.   Mhmm. He was a PhD   in ancient languages.   He had an MA in ancient cultures.   He, has over 20,000   theological   volumes   at his   or he's passed. He passed about a year ago.   I mean, he he gets into looking into these questions   and telling you what the Bible says,   not what man has made up, and he gives it proof.   And it and if he's on if he's he he's in an area where he's a little   uncomfortable,   he'll say, well, this this scholar looks at it this way because. This scholar looks at it this way because.  

And I come down here   because   and this is the way I'm looking at it. So it's   it's very informative,   and it clears up a lot of these issues that we shouldn't be fighting over.  

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Yes. Yep.   Jim, also wanted to say you mentioned the mining act, your participation in some gold mining. You know, we've got an expert on that on Fridays. Obviously, you've heard Brent. Right?   Brent mined out in Arizona.   And that's what got him into law was researching claim laws and all that kinda   of stuff. And so he's an expert on any question you'd have on on any gold stuff. K? Especially in Arizona.   He was out there one day when he was doing it. Him and another guy, they were off in the mill somewhere,   and had these little, like, cabins, you know, and met Gary, Barry Goldwater.  

He got up in the morning at Barry Goldwater. So it turns out his grandson had some drug problems, and there was a rehab place there. And he was staying right there too. So he got to meet Barry Goldwater. How cool.  

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Wow. Wow. Yes.   Interesting.  

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So anything else, Jim, or anything else for me? Because today's our, our little lunch day. And, man, the sun's come back out. Oh, hallelujah.   And if there's anything important, I'd love to deal with it. But, otherwise, I'd like to go off and do my own stuff.   So do you have anything else? Of course. We'll be here tomorrow. Here's Larry.   And and if yes, Larry, which guy?  

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Yeah. Seems like Jim is experiencing a lot of contention with Christians   in this particular church, and I would suggest that if, he's in a dispensational church, perhaps he might wanna look elsewhere. Oh.   Dispensationalism   supports Christian Zionism, which teaches that Israel will rule the world, and they'll rule over the Gentiles. And that's just a bunch of lies.  

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Yep. Yeah. I don't think they're necessarily   that. It's   it is a Bible church that I've   been involved with, but currently, I'm not there going to Bible studies and services and stuff. I've done a lot of study   on my own and and online and   and stuff. So I'm I am I I   I'm not going to just as it says about not despising small beginnings   in,   in the text of scripture that I don't wanna despise where god had planted me in the beginning even though they may not be we're all on a different path, and wherever god's lead me is,   you know, I know that freedom is   is important. I just   I wish I could get my wife on board, but she won't even discuss it. And  

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one of the things that I want to first. Just They're not the first for that situation. I promise you.  

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Yes. And another thing is there's plenty of online, churches   that you can, you know, this this idea that these preachers put out that, oh, you need to be in the house of God every week, and you need to put your tithe in the basket   every week and, and support this church.   I mean, that that's just a lot of man made doctrine.   Yes. You you can you can, attend church,   you know, online. There's a lot of good churches online. Wow. And,  

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another thing is just Brent. I'd say let me excuse me for interrupting, Chris. I'm gonna say I suggest you check Brent's Sunday service out. His two hour Sunday service, it's on his website. The the link is   well, he's just old Brent. Just down homey and mixes in stories, and they're going verse by verse through the whole Bible.   Yes. So that's another story. Thing, Roger.   Yes.  

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When Mark when Jim first came on, Mark came on and was trying to explain something.   And,   he was trying to explain something about eight USC   11 o one a 20 one, and I just didn't quite understand what he was explaining.   Something about the definition isn't correct. I I don't know. I was, like, half listening at that point, and I was trying to,   get back to that point. But, obviously, I'm working and a lot of other people started interjecting and the subject matter changed quickly.  

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But, we'll see what we can explain there with that. Well, I we'll we'll hail him and see. Mark, you still there?  

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Oh,   Mark. Right. Man.  

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All caps.  

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This is this is Jim again. I I just I think I can answer from what he had said was   what I was looking it up through was through Cornell law, and their definition   went straight to the federal territories and DC and all the Marriott Northern Mariana Islands and all that rather than Yeah. Identifying   it as one of the 50 states.  

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You it it takes a bit to get through these levels of unbelievable   intentional confusion here.  

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Roger? Roger?  

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You can't do it unless you're looking at the concepts, and we've had that proven by folks who you took the head fake on. Yes. I hear you, dear. Who took the head fake on,   on,   American Samoa. Yes, Julie. Boy, you're not shy and return it anymore.  

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I   took detailed notes. And so, Mark said that, they bought a title eight,   United States code section 11 o one,   parentheses,   small a, parentheses   21, where   it refers to the corporate United States and that is not correct.   And so Mark talked about the Webster's Dictionary that he has. It's the 1940   Webster's University   Dictionary   where there's a different definition   of small s state.   And so it is,   one of the 50   states that make up the union   and the capital s state refers to countries. And he basically said go on to nationalstatus.com   and you will see that Dave has,   stuff posted there,   on there that,   will delineate this. And so, again, the this is, again, where everything we read is not always,   is not always correct.  

And Uh-huh. And it basically says a national is a person who owes allegiance to a small f state in the image. That's the sweetheart. That's the sweetheart right there.  

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Boy, Julie, that's good. Don't forget. It reminds me. Yeah. Well, let me just say because when you were reading that, it stimulated me   to remember that we've got AI now attached to the archives.   And you can go and do AI and get a whole printout of everything that was said. It's incredibly   accurate.  

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Yep. And section three zero eight of the IMA. Have  

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right? If you don't have a Julie around, you rely on Grok. Okay?   How about this? I  

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no. I don't remember   when I write things down.  

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Grok is starting to question the holocaust.  

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The main thing about Laub Cornell, Roger, is sometimes it's not exactly   accurate,   with the especially with the state definition.   Yep. So I don't I don't have people using it. I I always refer refer them to   USD or under United States code or the statutes at large.  

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Again,   you see the layers of deception that they put in here to try and keep you away from accessing the root of this information.   It it's just incredible.   And I would never have known all this had it not been for John Benson as my law teacher.   Because not only did I get this feudal system idea, but I got all of these wonderful tools that they don't teach in law school anymore. Like, what's the definition of a person? Am I that person? Am I another person? Why? When? Where?   All that kind of stuff. We're just so blessed,   folks, that the good lord can me cross paths with those guys so many years ago in the short little six months window that they were teaching this stuff.  

So thank you,   El Dio.   Muchas.   Now anybody else have anything for me? Yep. Somebody does right there, Larry. Yes, sir.  

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Yeah. So, Julie,   so Mark was saying that definition 21 is the correct definition,   but Cornell   ascribes a different definition to the word state. Is is that what's going on?  

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What   Mark said what Mark said was Title eight USC   Section 11 o one, small parenthesis   a, small parenthesis or parenthesis 21,   it's referring to the corporate United States and Mark said that is not correct.   And so,   he's talking he basically went back to the 1940   Webster's   University   Dictionary definition of state,   and also to Black's   dictionary,   that's on Dave and Kate's website, nationalstatus.com,   whereas they both state that a small s state is a,   is is is your not your state of, but like   Virginia. Not your state of because those are corporations.   That's what he was basically stating. Does that make sense?  



[02:13:18] Unknown:

Yes. Right. But he he is saying that the definition 21 is us. It's just when you click on that word state, there's a hyperlink there on that word state,   then Cornell is ascribing a different   definition to that word state. Is that correct?  

[02:13:38] Unknown:

Correct. Yeah. And that's what Merck had said. We don't   yeah. That's what Merck is saying. We don't wanna go to the Cornell anymore. We need to just go to the USC or go to the organic statutes that's large, which are UScode.house.gov.  

[02:13:53] Unknown:

Go to okay. I just wanna be clear on that because we are definition 21.   And whether Cornell ascribes the wrong definition to that smallest state   in that in that,   code,   then that's on them.   A lot of, gurus out there teach that we're definition number 22, and that's wrong.  

[02:14:13] Unknown:

Correct.  

[02:14:15] Unknown:

Correct. Yes.  

[02:14:17] Unknown:

K. Hold on. Right, Larry. Okay. Layers of obfuscation?   What?   Okay. Anybody else got anything for me or I'm taking off?   Okay. Jim, please come back. Come forward. We'll be here tomorrow. Thank you, Sketch. I appreciate the dinner bell. And, we'll be   Alright. Thank you, Mirka.   And,   we'll, we'll be back and do it all again tomorrow, Jim. He's lurking around. He's not working. So   what else you got to do but come hang out, Jim?  

[02:14:48] Unknown:

Yes.  

[02:14:49] Unknown:

Okay. Well, thanks for coming forward, and really nice to meet you. You know?   Nice. It's nice to meet and talk with you guys. Thank you. Yeah. It's a great pleasure. You gave us all great joy today. Jim, come back and do it again soon or tomorrow. See you all. Have a great day.   Bye.  

[02:15:10] Unknown:

That's the label.  

[02:15:16] Unknown:

Hi, Jim. This is Irby. Yes.  

[02:15:19] Unknown:

Hi, Irby.  

[02:15:21] Unknown:

My email,   that's what most people do. My email, you I've got several you can use My first name is Irby, I r b y. It's usually a last name. I have it as a first name.   [email protected].   That's my official   eleven? Yeah. [email protected].   Okay. And I'll look forward and yeah. I'd I'd love to, I have time on my hands   and,   talk people's ears off, and there's actually some people that seem to like to talk to me. And   I have to pay them yearly to do that, you know, but   that's where all my money goes. I gotta pay for my friends, you know? But, no, these these guys have you've been you've been hanging out and lurking in the background. So you probably know where all the archives are   on Spreaker,   also Castbox. I mean and plus, they've got them on the websites now. This is amazing   how people have stepped up to put this bro, I'm old enough to remember cranked telephones   on a wall. Party line. Yeah. Seven people on ours. Our our ours was three long, too short. And now I'm holding in my hand what was scientifically   impossible   two old folks ago, and most people would think would satanic that satanic don't even talk about it. And here it is. I don't know. Here it is. It just it just amazes me. My I'm like a little kid in a coffee shop, a candy shop all the time. Every time I'm doing this stuff, and I'm literally downloading.  

I had huge   monster library. All the preachers were jealous of me, and I gave all those books away. Literally just gave them away to these young preachers because now I can use CDs in this phone. Why do I people love books, but I love my convenience more.   And   so, hey. Books are hard to move, man, especially when you literally have to get one U Haul trailer just for those things in your and as much as you move around in the ministry.   That gets old.   And so Yes. All that's gone and all this modern digital technology is just amazing to me. And,   yeah. But,   if if if you need a friend and hey.  

My going rate is I pay, like, $10.15 dollars a month to people who wanna be my friend.  

[02:17:46] Unknown:

Well, thank you.   Thank you.   It's it's been a hard hard goal for years just because I've seen everybody   drop out of the of,   you know, a lot of them did actually have problems and others   for lack of a better way of putting it I guess they   they filed like the 31 page opus back in the nineties and   they actually were successful in what they did and but   for the changing of times, they have   opted to,   go back into the system. You know, one of the   one of the good friends of mine actually decided to,   go for the benefits rather than, you know, the aggravation.   You know? So it's it's it's   it's hard to see everybody just kinda drop off when   everybody was so on fire.  

So  

[02:18:46] Unknown:

Well,   you don't know what you're gonna do until you hit that situation, and we're all in a crowd. We're all hooping each other up, but,   it's some boxer said, yeah. It's one thing to talk about it until you get hit in the face.   And then, you know, game's on. And and it and it's different. You know? And I don't know if you've ever had it happen to you,   but,   you can take all the training and stuff you want to. But until somebody takes a gun and sticks it in your face,   it's different. Yeah. Or until you have to take stickings to somebody else's face. I mean, it gets real then, and life gets real for all of us. And that's when you find out what you're made of. And,   and sometimes, sadly, the wives and the spouses,   don't go along. And truth movement has divided people, and Jesus didn't Jesus promise that? You know, your enemies will be those of your own house. So  

[02:19:41] Unknown:

Exactly. You know, that's tough, bro.  

[02:19:43] Unknown:

It is. It is.   And I've I've seen people that have lost their homes and   just   lost their families and everything else   but I know that there's something a lot different with this   because it just opens up I knew things were wrong and I   I even my my parents   were born after   FDR did help all of this   foolishness that put us under this   this whole thing in '33.   So it's just kind of,   I don't know. It's been   it's been a journey, and I know the the the,   it's not necessarily the the destination, but the, you know,   I don't I I I I wanna   do what's right with God, and I have I have failed in more ways than not, and I've compromised in more ways than not.  

And,   you know, I'm   I don't want to be,   I guess that that whole term if you're you're probably more familiar with the word   in the Greek which is,   to remain under   that pressure that   and,   you know, one of the   great bible teacher historians that I've learned a lot of stuff is RBL that,   Ray Vanderlin. And,   you know, he said that one time he was with his students in a   over in The Middle East. I don't know if they were in Israel or if they were just somewhere else in the outskirts, but he goes off to biblical sites or, you know,   close sites.  

And he had the kids   the the whole group go on ahead of him, and he was kinda gonna take a breather on this rock. And soon as they left, these Apex came through   just bounding all around him and swarmed around him and went on by. Went on through and and he realized at that point that   he   he shouldn't be asking in prayer   for God to take this away from him, but to give him the the feet to be able to walk the path that he's laid out before us. So   that   that really hit home with me because   for so many times in the years, it was I was kinda looking at trying you know, take this from me or whatever, but,   no, I need the strength to be able to do what he where he's leading me to go.  



[02:22:23] Unknown:

Amen.   Don't talk about it. Just make me start. And isn't that what we do in weightlifting or speed training or whatever it is? You always have that resistance to make you better, stronger, and faster.  

[02:22:35] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes.  

[02:22:42] Unknown:

Yep. But Arizona,   you talking about, glutton for punishment, bro.   My wife's side Oh, I know. Had relatives down there in Beatty.   You gotta know where Beatty is to be there. So but, yeah, they lived out. They had the   only store, everything, you know, the everything place in one of those one town wonders one one building town wonders. But that was,   part of my wife's,   family down there in Beatty.   Okay.  

[02:23:14] Unknown:

I'm not  

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a % sure where it's It's close to the border. It's one of those, you know, like, 15 miles from the border.   And, I imagine they haven't got run over now. Of course, I imagine those folks have passed away. But,   yeah, well, after my wife has passed away in February, I don't have contact with that side of the family that much. But when you get old, people start passing away, man. I mean, everybody   everybody you think's old is now gone, and you now old.   It's like Yeah.  

[02:23:47] Unknown:

So when you're referring to is it Bisbee  

[02:23:52] Unknown:

or because you said B B B or Yep. I think Bisbee. I call it Bib Bib bib   Bib B I S B E E, I think. Bisbee Bisbee, Arizona. Yes. It's way down now. Okay. It is. That's absolutely  

[02:24:05] Unknown:

never been there yet, but that's, you know, I'd like to visit and and get down that way.   A lot of Arizona, I haven't seen much less so.   A lot of the,   rest of America, much less any other in the world.   I mean, I've got a brother that's   traveled a little bit more   and I have not.  

[02:24:30] Unknown:

It's amazing when you go out west. I I part of my ministry, I've I've been in '41 of the 48, and I lived in Wyoming for seven different years. And   you can see why Indians communicated with smoke signals. You can literally see a 5,200   miles out there across, and it's like, you know, you see forever.   And, Yes. You you can there's no trees. And   one of one, a preacher   from the East who was out there planning a church, and he took one of the little guys from that local community at Wyoming   back east with him on a trip to get some stuff. And the young boy, about 10 or 11, of course, it's in the nighttime. And when he wakes up and he's in the Eastern Half of The United States, he looks out the window   and he says,   look, guys. It's a jungle out there. Look. It's a jungle.  

Because they don't have trees. You know? You don't know where the freaking tree is. So and that was the interesting thing. It's like, it's a jungle out there.  

[02:25:36] Unknown:

Oh, we're running.   Well, it's been   been fun,   and I'm grateful for everybody's input. This has been   been a blessing of a day. I've been wanting to do this for   shoot, probably over a year, and,   I'm just not one for the technology as much. It's just   I stumble my way through it, and sometimes I've been on trying to get on and   been disconnected and had to try to reconnect.   And it's been it's it's it's a busy place a lot of the time, and I'm thankful for everything that I've been able to learn thus far and   the encouragement that I've received is   lord knows how much it's been needed.  



[02:26:29] Unknown:

But I I still I think it's   my brother and I were talking last night, and we talked for him, it's a long time, you know, like, two hours, and he's just in Memphis. I'm about three hours away. And I said, do you know how much that would have cost us on the long distance   party line? You know?   Yes.   Because if you're long distance, it's like, hurry up, man. It's ten minutes. I'm gonna be you know, and the expense of, that was so as and now   we can literally talk anywhere in the world and have a hundred people join   and FaceTime each other. Just   this is this is amazing stuff to me. It's just absolutely amazing. What's it gonna be like in ten, fifteen more years? You know?  



[02:27:12] Unknown:

Exactly. Yes.  

[02:27:14] Unknown:

Yeah. We can bring a thousand people together.   And we have 2,000   more we have 2,000 more seats waiting to be connected.  

[02:27:26] Unknown:

That's that's that's that's wow.  

[02:27:30] Unknown:

Wild.  

[02:27:33] Unknown:

Well, thank you, Paul, for all that you do. I mean, this has been   an amazing journey myself just even though I've been in the background   trying to learn, and you've put in a lot of stuff that   has helped, you know, resonate with me   and, you know, over the the last couple years that,  

[02:27:55] Unknown:

Platform looks a little different than it did three years ago, doesn't it?   Yeah.   Well, it's different for sure. Yep.  

[02:28:06] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:28:07] Unknown:

Paul is the linchpin that that hang that keeps his wheel on on on the axle. No. No. No. Don't don't go painting a target on my forehead.   Well,   who   have you trained to replace you if if something happens or you decide to move on or, you know, the board calls you to be in the in the, cabinet of the US presidency? I mean, you know, what are you gonna do? Who's gonna who's gonna push the buttons and make it all work? Well, first of all,  

[02:28:35] Unknown:

I like, who was it that said,   I have no interest in, joining a group that would actually have me?  

[02:28:47] Unknown:

Oh my god. Oh, I'm gonna be biased. My hell.  

[02:28:53] Unknown:

Oh, it's it's cool. And why would I join a group where anybody would want me to be a member? That was Groucho Marx. There you go. Yeah.  

[02:29:02] Unknown:

That's my main man, Groucho.   Oh, or who was it who was it that said,   who was it was at a party and a woman indignantly   told him,   sir, you're drunk.   And he looked at her well. Madam,   you're ugly,   and I'll be sober tomorrow.  

[02:29:32] Unknown:

Oh, no.  

[02:29:34] Unknown:

Oh, man. So many have come before us.   Have they not?   Well, I appreciate every single one of you guys because there wouldn't be anything to for me to do but drink beer and watch Hallmark movies if I didn't have to do this. So it's all good.   I did,  

[02:30:07] Unknown:

I did recently discover, have to take my asthma medicine. Y'all are making me laugh so hard. This is crazy.  

[02:30:13] Unknown:

What?   I   did discover a,   a pretty good Fox series.   Series is called nine one one.   You know, apparently true stories of the nine zero one op nine one one operators and first responders and stuff. It's actually   quite entertaining.   I I mean, if if you just wanna sit down and be entertained.   Certainly better than exposing yourself to disinformation   and propaganda,   like National   Propaganda   Radio,   NPR.  

[02:31:00] Unknown:

So   you guys have brought up something before about different search engines? Because one of the things that I was just stumbled into a conversation with the pastor about   was,   this whole thing with the tariffs and how we were unevenly,   or out of balance with China and all that for a long time.   And everything that I went to, at least on Google, was,   everything about Trump. It was nothing that you could look back as far as   previous   tariff issues and the whole   shifting of balance.   So,   I mean, are are some of those   other search engines  

[02:31:45] Unknown:

Probably Yandex.   Yandex is a Russian search engine. It's pretty accurate.   RT Russian television is usually pretty accurate as far as global news.   Google   Google, if if you're asking for, if you're looking for a yay or nay on something,   you just Google it Uh-huh. And do the opposite of what the first hundred results Google shows you say.   Do the opposite. Gotcha.   So Yeah. You can actually use Snopes the same way. You know? Beck and see what Snopes says about something and whatever they say, do the opposite.  

[02:32:26] Unknown:

Gotcha. Okay.   Yeah. Because it was kinda frustrating because he was bringing up that I'm I'm buying the propaganda and everything, and and I'm like, wait a minute. You know? I know we've been out of balance because,   you know, I've been living through this stuff for   for a long time. And he's like, nope. You're you're buying the propaganda. And he was all upset because,   like, saying that Trump's gotten the economy stuff with the with the chainsaw, and you can't do it that way. And I'm like,   well, I just  

[02:32:57] Unknown:

Yeah. You can.  

[02:32:59] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:33:00] Unknown:

Yeah. You can. If you've got an artery that's open and you're bleeding out, you gotta do something about it. And that's where we're   at. The tariffs were replaced.   The the simple truth is tariffs were replaced with free trade, but nobody told the American public   the free part was every other country being able to trade with us for free, but it would cost us an arm and a leg.  

[02:33:26] Unknown:

Yes.  

[02:33:27] Unknown:

Gotcha. Yep. That's He is the one that's buying   drinking the Kool Aid. He's the one that that bought the farm.  

[02:33:36] Unknown:

Well and and I tend to wonder as the years have gone by on whether or not he was he's just   being a flipping gatekeeper rather than   you know? So I don't know.   Well, he may   he might not be the head. Get misinformation.  

[02:33:54] Unknown:

Right. He may not be the head of a five zero one c three church anymore, but he certainly has the attitude.  

[02:34:01] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah.   I mean, he's   I've learned a lot from him, learned on how to be able to study the the the text and everything, and   to take things in context, and you gotta consider  

[02:34:20] Unknown:

all of the  

[02:34:21] Unknown:

the   the the time, the era, or whatnot. You can't just apply something from back then to today, but yet   it's still relevant.   And   so, I mean, he's helped me to understand how to you know, because before I wouldn't couldn't even   quote structure or anything and   know anything about freedom   in this country until   I started with all those groups that,   the town hall meetings and and started finding out that this is where things started going wrong, but yet they didn't they were working with what they had.   Right. You know?   And it's,   I don't wanna disparage him in any way because, you know, God placed him in my life at this at that particular time.  

Right. And I also don't wanna abandon anybody and still wanna speak truth to him if I can.  

[02:35:16] Unknown:

Every every moment's a blessing. So Well, you can thank him for his counsel,   but,   invite him   to,   come to you with any questions he has, and you will help him get the answers   whether he likes them or not.  

[02:35:33] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah.  

[02:35:37] Unknown:

You know, what what is it,   Pete Santilli's   tagline on on his program? I've I've listened to Pete Santilli for years, not not so much recently, but,   his tagline like, line on his program is,   Pizza Antilli telling you the truth whether you like it or not. And that's kinda what we do.  

[02:35:59] Unknown:

You know? Yes.  

[02:36:01] Unknown:

Yeah. We just don't have the fancy saying.  

[02:36:09] Unknown:

I would be rare of Pete Santilli.  

[02:36:13] Unknown:

Well, I did say that   I don't listen to him anymore.  

[02:36:19] Unknown:

He was out at the wanna say why.  

[02:36:21] Unknown:

Well, he was out at the Melior.   He was out at the Melior Game Game Preserve thing.   He apparently got arrested. They locked him up for eighteen months, and they basically fed him his own ass.   And he sold out just to be able to guilt free. There are things he won't talk about to this day.  

[02:36:42] Unknown:

Of course. Before he went to Malueur, I think he lives in Ohio   Yeah. And he was stopped by the police and recorded it, traffic violation of some sort, apparently.   And, he said he had a gun in the paper bag on the floor or wherever.   And, so they took him in   and, then released him, and there's no record   except where he recorded   his being stopped. And right after that, he went out to Malheur.   Seems to be an FBI asset.   There's other there's other things. Remember the truckers in DC? And he opened an account and then kept all the money?  

[02:37:26] Unknown:

No. Well, yeah, I had I had heard about that, but I hadn't   heard, like, all the evidence sworn against.   I had heard about that. And and he stole the,  

[02:37:38] Unknown:

name for his thing from Vinnie Eastwood.   Yeah. We just have to be careful because there's   but not that you can't learn something good from some of these people, but you just have to be aware   of, you know, we're all human beings, and   a lot of us are putting mammon up there before god. Okay? But I just wanted to tell Jim. I don't know if he's heard Sarah's story.  

[02:38:09] Unknown:

Is that the one about his their children and the  

[02:38:14] Unknown:

Colorado cps thing. Yeah, the 16 year old daughter rebellious daughter. Yes So anyway, it shows how we're we're property under the feudal system and they had no jurisdiction   Because they had the affidavits on file   And one more thing, I know my heater's noisy,   is,   you can send in one sentence   and it's right there in their own words, except I changed from being duly sworn to being affirmed by God.   Declare my intention to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. Of course, it should be of America, but, yeah. That's it. So you'll only need that one sentence.   There's others that show, you know, you this and that and mention the fourteenth and all that. Well, it was never really   officially ratified. So the less you go into, the less they can try to pull apart is what I'm trying to say. Right. I yield. Yeah.  



[02:39:18] Unknown:

Yeah. They cannot prove intent or lack thereof.   You have to take your word for that. Gotcha.  

[02:39:26] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:39:30] Unknown:

Do declare.  

[02:39:32] Unknown:

Yeah.   Actually,   I do have,   I have some things going on today. I'm gonna have to,   get out of here. So   let me,   take this, pop stand offline, and we'll, do it again another day. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com,   Global Voice Radio Network,   home network Tv, freedom nation Tv, go live tv, and stream life Tube. First hour of the program, we're also on one zero six point nine WVOU FM in Chicago,   and we're also on radiosoapbox.com.   Thanks to Paul, our buddy from across the drink. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM   to 1PM eastern, if not a little longer on Global Voice.  

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