In today's episode of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles, we delve into the complexities of freedom and sovereignty, exploring the distinctions between being a national and the often misunderstood term "sovereign citizen." Roger and his guests discuss the importance of understanding legal definitions and the implications of one's political status, emphasizing the need for education and knowledge to overcome fear and misinformation. The conversation touches on historical and legal precedents, the role of the Secretary of State, and the importance of filing the correct paperwork to assert one's status as a national.
Listeners are also treated to a lively discussion about the intricacies of the financial system, including the controversial topic of birth certificate bonds and the potential for reclaiming one's financial sovereignty. The episode features a variety of perspectives, with callers sharing their experiences and insights, highlighting the challenges and opportunities in navigating the legal and financial systems. The show concludes with a reminder of the importance of community support and continued learning in the pursuit of freedom.
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As As would we, at least in a positive direction, it's changing with or without us. We're gonna try and assert our influence. Again, here today, maybe we might find a new student seeking for their freedom. Who knows? It does happen. It happens. So here we go. We're gonna start it all out two hours together here on Tuesday, May, May sixth. Hope you're not having to suffer through your Cinco de Mayo hangover where you had too many coronas and not enough limes. So here we go. Radio Ranch, Roger Sales. Good morning. We, as I neglected to do yesterday, shame on me, was to, give our fellow broadcasters their proper due and credit for helping us extend our reach. And I was so excited to get the week started yesterday. Hell, Paul, I just slipped right over me. I just had to jump in there and talk to John. I left you on the back burner. I felt guilty about it.
I'm not gonna make that same mistake today. So, Paul, would you please?
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It's alright. It's not that big a deal. We did we did get them covered during the show, and, the hiccups and and, confusion at the beginning of the show and some of the audio feeds not being turned on did have the unexpected benefit of completely isolating Slinky's voice from the broadcast stream or the archive for that matter. So so it's all good. It worked. Anyways, yes. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. That is our flagship station. We're on Global Voice Radio Network, that is continuing to grow at a rate of, between, 2535% per week in added listeners.
Oh, that's a good thing. We're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to our buddy, Paul across the drink. We're on Paula? One zero six point nine w b o u f m, Chicago, thanks to WDRN productions, the Net Family of Broadcast Services at Fort Collins, Colorado, who also brings us homenetwork.tv, freedom nation Tv, go live TV, and stream life Tube. Streamlife has, a couple of million listeners a month and across the whole platform and but we are really the anchor program on that network. So Is that right? Lot of those are coming here. Okay.
Our website is thematrixdocs.com, where you'll find a link to a free conference call so you can actually join us live on the show. We've got room for a thousand of you right now, and we have an additional 2,000 seats waiting in the wings for when the floodgates open. Ain't that fun?
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We're waiting. We're waiting for the floodgates to open. They may open one of these days. It's, it could be a challenge if they opened and a whole bunch of people flooded in here. Paul, we'll see. So, you know, listen. I left it, and I put this in God's hands. It's all up to him what's gonna happen here. It's just I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, which is constantly trying to simplify this and to reach out and find folks. We find some folks, and educate them up, and then they sit there for a few months while they most likely go through the, the realignment in their minds. And then they come around. Some of them do. Some of them don't. Hell, I don't know. All I know is I'm supposed to be here, and I've added an extra day, actually, six instead of five. And, I'm gonna be here. And if there's anybody that's got questions or confusion, I'm gonna do my very dead level best to help alleviate that Mhmm. And see if we can set you off on the right path, a path to freedom, and get enough of us walking that path.
And, well, our little, our little slaver buddies might have some problems. So if you're new, we've had a couple of new folks. Wasn't it Angelo last week? Wasn't that the young man's name in his twenties, I think?
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Yeah. It seems like so.
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Good kid from Florida. His mom thinks he's crazy, kind of like mine did. And, so I understand that, Angelo. You got William and his son, Savion, and Tony and some other folks. They're lurking around, I think. And, so it just takes a little time. It's one of the this project is one of the biggest conundrums because, you know, this this is what I used to do really when in professionally in the record business. I had a big territory there for the first four years I was in it, North Of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Eastern Tennessee. That's a pretty big territory. There's a lot of radio stations in there. Back in those days, some of those little stations were very influential. They've been obscured now by Newt Gingrich and his, broadcast deregulation.
And, now you can go out like Soros recently did and buy 400 stations. Used to be you could only own 12. That was the maximum. Right. Seven at first, twelve, revision, and then unlimited. Thank you, Newt. So, the but what I used to do, Paul, is I've taken I worked for Mercury, so I had pretty much crap records. You know? They but any decent artist had left that label. And, so I came on just as they were getting rid of Rod Stewart with the Maggie May and all that. By the way, Maggie Maggie May was a was a b side. I don't know if you knew that. Probably didn't know that or not. No. I did not know. You know you know what I'm talking about?
I have vibes.
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I have a history in radio, but not Okay. But not, not the back end, not the association with the labels and stuff like that. Okay. Well, b sides were remember, the first vehicle in the music business was forty fives. Right. Well, I know what a b side is,
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but I didn't know what Maggie that Maggie May was a b side. Well, that's what I'm trying to get across to you in the audience because there's several of them. Bridge Over Trouble Trouble Waters is another one that broke Simon and Garfunkel. My buddy did flip that one. But what happens is in the old days, they used to have 45, and albums were secondary. And then in the sixties, when music, they they kinda took it over with the Tavistock stuff and Woodstock and all that. And then they started going to the record companies, and they would take singles on 40 fives and put them on albums to sell albums because they made more money, k, quite frankly. But, anyway, those whole 45 you used to put on your spindle radio, record player there. And, the they'd put out, and they send all these records out to radio stations to play them. Well, if some of the jocks didn't like whatever one, they just flip it over on the other side. Boom. That's what we're talking about, a b side here. So, Maggie May was a b side or or or or the other side. Well, boy, that'd be a good trivia question. What was the other side of Maggie Mae on the a side?
I bet you don't know that one. Don't know that one. Re Reason to Believe. This is an album a song called Reason to Believe in the the ten years at Mercury because that's about all they are, ten years up there, and they thought that that was gonna be the hit and, of course, put Maggie May on the b side. So, anyway, b side. That was that, old record business stuff. What I was trying to get at was in those days, there were a lot of locally owned radio stations in those small towns all through the the, Southeast. And we had these things called, reports where people would try for the whole radio record industry.
They would, try to get the information in as to what records all these stations were playing, what ones were having good response from the audience or local sales or whatever the the the barometer was. And they try and get that information to these tip sheets, they were called. And then they would go to press, work late over the week. At the end of the week, work very hard and compile all those, piece of information and put it in a publication then send it back out to the radio stations who subscribed. So there was a whole genre of, stations and people and records that were happening or whatever, and there was a bunch of stations that were owned by different people. So you had different input, different ways of dealing with them. They had different ways of looking at their audience and dealing with people like me.
And, so that's what I do is I and Mercury had pretty much crap records. So, I mean, we had occasionally, we'd get something decent, but most of his time, oh, it was we had a band called the Skyhooks out of Australia. You know, I mean, what kind of an A and R guy signed something like that? And the reason I ended up leaving Mercury Records, really, was because of a little band, called Dire Straits and a little song called Sultans of Swing. Mhmm. And, the, we were owned by a conglomerate, Phonogram, out of, England, bought Mercury and brought it into the fold there. And so any of the records that they had on Phonogram in England, we got first shot at in The US.
Those dumbasses passed on sultans of swing.
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Wow.
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How does anybody in the music industry miss Sultans of Swing as a hit record? This is just beyond me. K? And that and there was another one. I forgot what the man was, and they passed on them too. And I said, I'm headed for greener pastures. I'll find somebody that's got some ears in this business. And, so, anyway, my sense of, because that's what I used to do for so many years was I placed these obscure bands and obscure records on in small stations and markets that play them because they were new. Nobody heard of them. And, some of these smaller markets give you a shot. You know? And, over that time and the time you're working the record, you get a sixth sense for whether that thing's a hit or not, whether it's gonna go. And the smaller stations play it, and it's successful. And the medium places, Stations start playing it, and it's successful. And then you start going to the larger stations. And when they play it, and then it takes off all over the world, you gotta hit record. Okay? Mhmm. So, I've got a sixth sense of that of success, and I had just always thought that's kind of what we're doing here in a sense.
And I had thought, as I've said numerous times here, that when, when we got on Joyce, especially that first time, that, this thing could take off like, you know, crap through a goose. And, boy, it not only did it not we did get a little traction, but not only did it not, which still slow all these years later. And, so over the time, I've tried to analyze it. And, I understand what's going on, I think, for the most part. And, you just gotta roll with the flow. So at that point, instead of me beating my head against the wall and getting frustrated and enraged and, you know, thinking it was me that was missing the connective part, I just turned it over to the big guy. Said, look. I'm gonna go ahead and do what I'm doing because I know how important this is, I think.
And I'm gonna try and get it in a situation where I can simplify it for the masses because back then, I couldn't do that and make it easy to understand and, therefore, their decision a little bit easier. Man, if you don't wanna do it, that's fine. We're not gonna beat you up or, you know, slander you or anything. But your freedom, your spirituality, all those things are your choice because as I say so often on here, everything's gotta be voluntary, doesn't it? Yes. Yeah. It has to be or it's by or it's tyranny. There's just no other choices. Okay? So if you wanna do it, fine. We're here. We believe in this project. We believe and know what what its impact is even though they won't totally show us. We know we're doing God's work. This is the big g, God's work of freeing his people.
And, we're here to do it, and we hope you're here to benefit from it.
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Well, I think a little soliloquy here at the start. There we go. I think what the problem is with most people in this information is they have spent their entire lives being disempowered, being enslaved, being abused, and, stepped on just in in every area of their life. From a very early age, they've been told that, you know, they're just one person. What can one person do? This, that, and the other thing. And they have to get over the disempowerment first to actually embrace the fact that it's their choice, that they're in control.
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Oh. And, Paul, that's hard for some people to do.
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Oh,
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very exciting. You know, we had a recent example, but I'm not picking on you. I'm not picking on you, Michael. We had a recent example, Michael. He's been lurking. He and his wife, they're farmers up in Minnesota. And, he called in at the end of the show, I think, a couple of days ago and just said, can you please help me? Because I can't sleep at night over this IRS stuff. And, man, I understand that. I'm not dissing Michael. Please don't think I'm picking on you. I'm not. I'm using you as an example, though, on how effective this programming that Paul just went over and described how effective it is with some people. And as I told Michael, I I I don't have any magic pill for that.
The the only thing I can do is to try and show you and convince you logically that you do have the power. They've stolen it from you. We found out their trick. You're taking it back, and they're just not gonna come ding you. If they were gonna start doing that, they'd have done it starting fourteen years ago because they've known about this information from the very first time it was ever on the radio, by a little snitch, a little snitch from the sodomy pedophile larceny center down there in Montgomery, Alabama. A little piece of shit, a Jew in name only, named Russell Estes. I'll put you I'll give you a little press, Estes. Okay? You Jew bastard.
And, Russell Estes used to be the monitor for RBN, Tom. Now Tom. Dee's RBN. Used to be the monitor monitoring the station, and he picked up those broadcasts I was doing with Bennett and started raising. Well, he tried to raise some hell there at the network by calling into other shows. And that stuff Roger Sales is teaching is gonna get a lot of people in trouble. And so there was another, John and Glenn student, some of you old old, might, remember a guy named Tommy from Brooklyn. Did you ever hear him call in to a show, Paul? Tommy from Brooklyn? No. I think he was before my time. Well, he was an interesting fella. This back in the nineties and, rebellious and stuff. He'd gotten hooked into John and Glenn. He and, he, would he he and I kept in contact with each other. And he he called me, said, man, I was listening to this guy on RBN the other day, and some joker called Russ from Minnesota calls in there and starts running you up one side and down the other.
And I called in right after that and said, listen. Roger knows what he's talking about. I was in the same I had the same teachers Roger does. So, anyway, then I got alerted that not only were they hassling the Ben and Nim, they are hassling some of the other, hosts. And then I got on in a morning show over there. It was a gal and a guy. They weren't married. They just had a show together. They were both from Atlanta. We got along quite well. And then he started hassling them, you know, sending them letters. That's stuff Roger Sales teaching. So, so, finally, I came back, and I think I've told the story before. One of my better students in the old days is Rick Scruggs.
He lives down on the coast of, down the coast of Georgia around Saint Simons. Some of our listeners know him. Dropped by his house. Licked him up and dropped by his house. And Rick's just a just a good old Georgia boy, about as good as you get. And so I'm talking to him one night, and, we were on a conference call with somebody else who's on there with us. I don't remember who. Anyway, Rick, I was telling them this story. It's right after that happened a number of years ago. And and Rick goes, well, you know, Roger, I stopped in a well, he had all these lawsuits going all the time. When at one point, he had 13 lawsuits going that he was the plaintiff in. K?
Well, you wanna talk about getting your life turned upside down. Okay? One of them was certiorated to the Supreme Court. One of them was the tax court. And he had, like, 10 or 12 ticket things.
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Oh, no.
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It'll make your life miserable. So Rick says, I was in a a cop station the other day, and I saw because they Southern Poverty Law Center or the Sodomy Pedophile Larceny Centers, I prefer to call them, much more accurate. They are the ones that like to infiltrate police stations, you know, send them to Israel and for training and all that fun stuff. Well, he says, I was in a cop station the other day, and I saw that magazine. I picked it up. I said, well, do you still have any? He said, well, I think so. I said, well, go get it if you would. So he goes off and comes back with it, and he opens the first page and there's a whole list of contributing people there. And it says, well, the first one is Russell Estes. He's a contributing editor. I said, well, are there any other Russells down that list? No.
Well, I guess that's probably gotta be him then, doesn't it? And so I got on the air, started calling him out with his full name and, funniest thing, all the harassment stopped.
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What do you know?
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So they've known about this for a long time, Michael, and they've had many years to go out and exert themselves. Now you also have to logically look at this and figure out and know how these guys operate. That's part of the beauty of learning this information is you learn their MO, their moda operandi. And so if there's something that's real damaging to them and, like, one person or or a small group has it, they're gonna squash that at that time as best they can as quickly as possible before it grows, gets out, and starts all kind of other fires with all kind of other people. They don't wait around for that. They go and hit it right then just like they did with John and Glenn. Six months in, this is thirty something years ago, folks. Six months into teaching, less than six months, the IRS came and raided John and Glenn. They let Phil Marsh go for five years.
Another tax guy at the time let him on ABC one night with Stone Phillips or Geraldo, what's his name, Jew boy or whatever for all our talking about untaxing people. So they'll let those people go because in the end, they want you to gather a bunch of dissenters, and then they get you all in one big net. But, boy, if it's real damaging to them, they're not gonna let it get to that point. They're gonna squash it right off. So and and we haven't been anybody been squashed? Anybody in the audience been squashed? I mean, please, don't don't bring any traffic crap. You caused most of that. Anybody been squashed by the federal government or had any problems?
Please, star six, come forward. Tell us your sob story. We wanna hear it. Hello? Hello? On victims. We're looking for victims. We're waiting. While while we're waiting, for people to speak.
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While, while we're waiting for people to speak,
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I do a different smell.
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Hang on. Somebody's garbling. There's a garble. You're gargling. You're gargling. You're gonna have to hang up and call back. Was it was it Listerine or another? Well, let's just check with him and make sure. Now do you have a have you been a a a a have you been abused by the federal government over this?
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Hello? I probably hung up. I was working and calling back.
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Now Man, this is gargling. Roger? Is weird. Yeah. There, boy. They're not gargling anymore. Yes, sir.
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Yeah. Michael here.
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Hey, Michael. I'm not picking on you. I really don't Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. Okay. I'm using you as an example. It's okay.
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I know. How do we prevent nationals from getting locked into the soup bowl of the sovereign citizens from years ago. All those court cases from early two thousands and the late nineties because they're using those court cases. No. No. What Oh, that's a that's a sovereign Well, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to educate me a little. What court cases have been adjudicated
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on the sovereign citizen?
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Because I don't know of any. Oh, I'm not I'm not skilled enough to tell you the court. Are you
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There well, Michael, there are none. That's my point. That's a the Southern Poverty Law Center, that's another thing they dreamed up to try and, I believe, counter this. So there is how do you counter? You say that's an oxymoron. There's no such thing. I'm a national. That's when you come and tell them again. It's your voice. It's your decision. This is what I am. I'm not gonna let you be a tyrant and tell me I'm something that doesn't even, for God's sakes, doesn't even exist.
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You know, I'm not skilled enough to look up these court cases and read them through them, and I'm not like you. I you can read through them and know exactly what what all that is. I I don't. I'm not skilled enough. But the little bit of reading that I have done
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Uh-huh.
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You know, you you can call me naive. I am naive. A little bit of reading that I've done That's okay. It it to me, it shows that all these sovereign citizens that tried to declare themselves private individuals, they use affidavits of evidence of facts and
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Uh-huh.
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It All kinds. It show the court case, all kinds of stuff, and it's telling and and then the court says that you can't
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We're not we're Michael, we're we're we're not claiming to be sovereign citizens. Those people might be because they don't know any better. We're claiming to be nationals, which is in The United States code. Can you find me sovereign citizen in The United States code or any court decision or any regulation? No. No. You can't. I'm a tell you about that. You can't because it's not there.
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I'm just
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Oh, you're you're Michael, you're It's all. You're all garbly again. I'm sorry. Can you please
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you don't have to call back in because you're just I'm gonna turn your can you turn your head or conversation with I'm on top of the refrigerator or something. Me now?
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Yes is better. Better.
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Michael, I've never Yeah. I'm I'm actually in the track. I'm in the You're Yeah. I'm in the tractor planting soybeans.
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Oh, okay. Well, you're the one that's putting yourself into this trick bag by even bringing this up. I've never taught you you were a sovereign citizen. I've taught you you were a national. Where to find it in the statutes and the code and old legislation like the Nationality Act of 1940. Yes. That's what you are. That's what they say you are. I know I am. Say I am. So why are you even worrying about all that other stuff all you got? Why do I worry about it? Because I I
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I I try and do a little googling, and they just put they put me right in that sovereign citizen movement.
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Right? Well, the first thing, Michael, first thing you're doing wrong is using Google as a search engine. How about that? Yeah. K. Okay. Start using a decent search engine that didn't skew it against you, and you'll probably find different information. But there is no such thing as a sovereign citizen. There's a capital c citizen of The United States Of America Hidden well, Michael, you're your own worst enemy, man. You're your own worst enemy than what I can tell. Go ahead.
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I don't interrupt often, but, Michael, you can go to chat g p t. There is a very special one. It's called Factron tools. It is called a search spider. It will search all sources rather than a single source or give you just listings. It'll actually sort that through, get rid of duplicates and stuff like that. So if you're doing a serious research in that, you may wanna try that tool. It's called Factron Tools, f a c t r o n t o o l.
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Bactron tool. I'm sorry. Michael's out planting in the field there, Andy. But look. Michael, I don't mind your question. So I I I just understand what's going on with your mind. They got you scared to death.
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Can I can I comment?
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Yeah. Go ahead.
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I see exactly where Michael is coming from because the powers that be and their lower level foot soldiers, the useful idiots, I mean, they have published the anti government movement guidebook, which is the go to guidebook for judges, district attorneys, and police, and it explains all about all of the different sovereign type movements that have ever occurred. We know that sovereign citizen is an oxymoron. We know it doesn't exist. However, the police magazines and periodicals, even videos on YouTube, are now claiming that the term national is synonymous with sovereign citizen, and that is the information that the bastards behind the badges are getting.
So we know that they're full of crap. We know what we are and what we're not, but they don't. And they're gonna proceed on presumption that you're a scofflaw and that you have absolutely no basis in fact or law behind you, and they are gonna try and put you down. The only thing we can do is educate them to the fact that, no. You're mistaken. Sovereign citizen is an oxymoron, and the term national is a political status that is recognized by the United States government.
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Yeah. I mean, you go and they try and pull that on you. You say, okay, sir. I don't know if I'd wanna call him your honor. Sir, I can show you several places where the national status is. Well, you say it's synonymous. Where are the other places where sovereign citizens stated? Court cases, codes, or regulations, please, sir? Well, they they're not. They're saying it's synonymous to try and fool you. They're scared to death of this, Michael. Have you got the grasp on that yet? They're scared to death of this.
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And another thing that they've got going for them is sensationalistic YouTube videos with cops violating the rights of individuals, whipping all of the, useful idiot, citizens into a frenzy going, well, they should have put them down harder. What? What? You wanna be a sovereign citizen? Well, you might as well buy stock in a window
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company or a glass company because the cops are gonna keep busting your windows out. If anybody ever brings that term up, I'd say the same thing every time. Can you please show me that term in a statute, a court case, or a regulation? They can't do it. It's not there even though they wanna impose that on you. Again, this comes back to judge Learned Hand, one of the better judges in the history of our country. He was they never let him get above the appellate level, unfortunately, because he was so good. And Judge Learned Hand said, I'm paraphrasing, to to defend one's rights, one must be a belligerent claimant. And when those people come at you with that crap, you gotta that's why this all goes back to understand and having to control the information.
You can't be a blizzard claimant of any degree if you don't have control of the information. You're gonna sit there and stutter. You're gonna stammer. You're not gonna have answer answers. Your knees are gonna knock. He's gonna know you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and they're gonna roll right over you.
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Well Jerkrieg an extensive search, and I searched exactly that. There is no mention of sovereign citizen as any part of recognized law or legislative element in any uploaded materials, nor, it has appeared to be in files nor any linkage to any statutory framework, judicial ruling, or procedural
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logic in system documents or law. It's another one of their little illusionary gotchas. You know? It's a it's a dogma. It
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it distracts it gives you a false argument that you have to defend yourself to in order to distract the real argument that you can pose.
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Right. Yeah. Well, so fact remains It always comes back to getting control of the information, and the questions you're asking are just tell me that you don't you haven't achieved that yet, not that yet. That's not bad. That's I mean, they, we're not judging you. Everybody takes a different speed. Everybody comes from the slightly different place. Pardon me. And we're here to help you if you wanna move forward. I'd love to quell your fears and get that out of your life because, man, living a life of fear is no fun. Okay? Right.
And there's no reason to do it except what they've conditioned you to because they they don't have the power. They don't have any power that you didn't give them. Take it away.
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I have one more comment real quick. Yes. We are at war. I'm here. We're not we're not at war with with bullets and bayonets. We're in an information war, and we're in a propaganda war. And the only way that you can win a propaganda war is by is rebutting the presumption that the propaganda is trying to put out. And the only way you can win an information war is to be informed. You gotta know your stuff, and you will be able to put down any charge or allegation against you and rebut any presumption they pull out of their sphincter muscle.
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And that's all I got. Should you do that? Should you do that down the road, Michael, you'll you'll look back and laugh at these times that you went through after you've gotten to the other side. Unfortunately, just because the word free is in the word freedom, it ain't free. It's just not free. Yeah. You y'all are just fortunate that I don't I don't wanna charge you for it. You know? Quite frankly, I don't want your currency. I I want you to have it. I want you to be happy. I'd love for all you to be free and and all that stuff. It's those are your mandates, not mine. I can help you as best I can, but I can't do it for you.
Again, it's individual, and everybody's gotta deal with it themselves on their own particular circumstances and situations. So all I can say is to encourage you to keep studying and listening, Michael, and maybe go back and put the time in to learn some of these basics. Again, you're looking at this whole thing in its totality, I think, and being very intimidated and confused, and it is complex. I mean, you're being exposed to stuff that, you know, they don't teach you how to be a farmer school, you know, about, Babylonian merchant code and self help remedies and all this stuff.
They don't even teach it in law schools. Much less farm school. Roger Bruce? Yeah, Bruce. Go ahead, man.
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Well, I got in an accident,
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Saturday. Last Saturday.
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Yeah. And the guy behind me You're hurt? No. Oh, no. No. I'm still alive. Alright. I'm I'm made out of steel, man.
[00:35:47] Unknown:
Well, you said hurt. You might had a a boo boo on your elbow or something. You know? I'm just asking to be polite here. No.
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I'm not a pushover. Anyway, so, we were stopped. We were getting ready to go on to the interstate and, light turned green, and the other people that were on the other side had to go first before we could get on the interstate down the ramp. And so, there was five cars waiting for others to go by, and then we could go home. In the meantime, about the fourth person on the ramp, and all of a sudden, I get rear ended by an old Jeep. And he then I got a a van, and it just crushed in the whole back, you know, door, busted out the windows. Nobody got hurt.
And the guy that was driving that, Jeep, had not driven that Jeep before, and I believe his foot slipped slipped off of the brake pedal. Oh, the clutch. And, well, whatever. Anyway, so, you know, and I bumped into the guy, but in front of me, he had a tailgate a a tail ball, you know, a hauling stuff. Well, that went through my front bumper. So
[00:37:27] Unknown:
all these other people He hit you he hit you pretty he hit you pretty hard, it sounds like.
[00:37:32] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Right. But, anyway, the the whole point was he gets out to see if he's got any damage on his vehicle, his truck. Yeah. Well, he didn't. He took off. Of course not. I mean, his wife was Oh, come on. Come on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know? So we're out there standing around, you know, waiting on the place to get in here and stuff like that. You know? And so, everything was fine. Nobody got hurt. Thank god. Except the guy driving the the Jeep, and he would had steering wheel had hit his rib. And he was walking around like he was in desperate pain. The guy in the Jeep took off.
No. No. No. That's the truck in front of me. Oh. Okay. So, anyway, we're standing around. We're talking just that. The other. And, the the cop finally got there. And she was doing all of the stuff trying to figure out what's going on, you know, and everything. And I had taken pictures of my van already, and, she started asking questions. They finally picked the guy up that had his ribs hurt, and he was gone. And just me and this other guy, those are they're talking, and, everything's fine. You know? No big deal. So the police comes up there and start, you know, getting the getting the, lingo of what went on. You know? We were okay. Everything was fine. You know?
Back door just busted in. So, anyway, so we got through with that, and she started writing up tickets. And so, she said, can I see your driver's license? I said, I don't have one. I got an ID. She said, you don't have a driver's license? I said, no, ma'am. I I haven't had a driver's license since I've been in national. And she just looked at me like, oh, boy. We got one of y'all, basically, is what she looked at. I didn't go any further with with that. So I gave her my ID. She took it all down, and she said, what do you have? What's this on the back of your your van? I said, oh, that's my tag. I came from, South Carolina. It's it's an old tag, and I just used it.
I don't need a tag on the car. She looked at me like, okay. So she wrote out, you know, the the documents to me and gave it to me. And she went back to the act guy, and he said, well, I've already give given him my insurance policy information, and she wanted to see that. And she wrote him up. Anyway, everything was she had already gone and everything, you know, and I have a court case the twentieth of this month. So I get the the tickets that she gave me, and I write over them. Thank you for your offer to contract. I'm returning them in three working days, and now they are void.
And but and I made copies of it and and sent sent it to her by, you know, certificate, you know, of of the certified mail. And she should be getting that thing today. So anyway, I'm just saying you can't be afraid of everything if you're doing this. You gotta know what you're doing and you gotta use it. And that's what I'm doing.
[00:40:49] Unknown:
Yeah. And, well, you know, do you serve the one you fear? I'm sorry. I gotta bring that out again. It's so accurate. They control everybody through fear. And somehow, however, you've got to do that in your own individual circumstances should you wanna move forward. If you don't wanna move forward, go back in your pink cloud. K? It's alright with me. But if you wanna move forward, you gotta get your hands around that.
[00:41:13] Unknown:
Well, Roger, I wanna do that. Be calm
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and and belligerent and defend your position. K? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's the way it is, but that's the way they've got it designed. We figured out a way out of it, but you've got to stand on your own two feet. What, Bruce?
[00:41:33] Unknown:
What I'm doing, I started my administrative process Yeah. With this first
[00:41:39] Unknown:
gift gift and gift What she what she charged with? No insurance? No, driver's license? What? Tag. No tag?
[00:41:49] Unknown:
Yep. And no and no insurance.
[00:41:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, we'll see how that works out. Good luck with it, Bruce, and, that's a good way to handle it.
[00:41:59] Unknown:
Yeah. And,
[00:42:00] Unknown:
but there's I I just don't know of any other answer than to get command of the information to overcome what apprehensions you may have. I'm sorry. They're they've been very effective at this this little scam of theirs. It's just like I said, we don't know these guys at all. Most people have no idea who these guys are, how they think, what their MO is, or any of that. But let me tell you, and I promise you, they know how we think. And they predicted in the 1850s that they get this to this point, and they can ask you those two questions. And they'd know exactly how you'd answer because the the answer was written into the original fourteenth amendment and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
What makes you subject? Maybe answering the questions directly that you are and signing something? Yeah. Yeah. I think that may be it. They knew that a hundred a hundred years out of time. That's how well they know us. We don't know them at all. In fact, we don't even know ourselves. That's the formula for a loss from Sun Tzu. If you don't know your enemy and you don't know yourself, you got no chance of winning any battle. And that's exactly where they got us. So we try and overcome that. It's overcomeable. If you're of a mind and a means to do that, we'd love to help you. And, Michael, I hope you keep chipping away at it, man.
Come back with your questions. We'll address them all. But, you know, I can show you in a number of different places even though it's got different labels, what a national is. You go over to title 42. The I'm sure this is there. Linda said she couldn't find it. Pretty sure it's there. Title 42 section nineteen eighty three nineteen eighty six. Two sections right there in the United States code. That's civil rights code. All the rights, privileges, and immunities of the citizens of The United States are the same as the white citizens. Well, that that's in two sections of the code and the civil rights code, the white citizens, the old whitey and Jim Crow.
Okay. Well, that's the national. I can go down to the regulations and the tax code, 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a had a nonresident alien. Well, that's same thing, national, just a different label. You go over in title eight. There's a place in there. It says a national is someone born in American Samoa, Swains Island, or the outlying territories. Well, there that that's the states, outlying territories. There's the national right there. So I there's three places right there I just showed you where it's at the exact same thing with a different label. Well, this is your enemy. This is how they work. This is why you don't know anything. And our patriot community has dumb stuff that they come up with. It's because they don't understand this little simple thing I just showed you on how these people work, their modal operandi, the way their minds work, what they do to fool and trick the dumb Goyam. And we fall for it just about every time, best I can tell over all these years.
Well, don't stop falling for it. See, again, back to you, not Michael you, but you individually. What you are is your decision, not theirs. That's why they have to come up with these things like sovereign citizen, a totally nonexistent term, and try and apply it to you so that they can stop this from growing because it's growing. And they try and put a straw man out there like sovereign citizen that dumb people, like the late David Strait, bid on, put in his 31 page affidavit, the term sovereign citizen. We know that because we had a couple out in California that had a child prost custody problem with CPS.
Somebody told him about David Strait. They went and paid him $400, got his magic 31 page opus, took it back to CPS. The CPS guy's reading through it and paging through it. He go, oh, you're a sovereign citizen, are you? Yeah. David Strait. So you I'm sorry. It's complex. They've set it up to be that way. If you wanna learn it and understand it and be free, you're just gonna have to learn with it however you have to do it. It's not my I've done it. I've done it in my life. I've spent years studying this about almost half of my adult lifetime, and, know it pretty well. Okay?
And I've been very happy as a free man. If you don't want to be a slave to Sabbatean, Frankish, Zionist, fake Jews, you want to learn this. If you like being enslaved by them, well, just go ahead. Just go ahead. Roger. It's your decision, not mine. I'll help you, but I can't do it for you. Yes, sir.
[00:47:16] Unknown:
Yeah. You were if I could bring up somebody yesterday, you guys were talking about traffic?
[00:47:22] Unknown:
Unfortunately, it came up, I think.
[00:47:25] Unknown:
Uh-oh. Well, then I won't say it if you don't want. No. No. Go ahead. No. Go ahead.
[00:47:30] Unknown:
I'm I get aggravated with it because you can't get anything consistent out of them. I can get something consistent with the federal government. We win every time on this traffic crap. It's fiefdom to fiefdom, person to person. Old boss Hogg and the judge Roy being the hanging judge. They love to see you coming.
[00:47:52] Unknown:
Well, it it ended well. You were talking about notices and all that stuff, and I got my third stop was in the middle of the state in a county and a city I didn't put on notice. Yeah. And I walked from it, and that just told me that the SOS isn't gonna do anything anywhere. So it didn't come from there. The attorney general, it probably didn't come from him because that stuff goes upstream to him, not down from him. So the reason I think that happened is when I noticed the state highway patrol and all the podunks call in because they can't afford the subscription to the PATH system, and they found out through the database of the State Highway Patrol.
And that's how all these smaller counties and little birds get their information is through that database. And that's how I got off got free on being pulled over for lights in the middle of a place I didn't put on notice. I just wanted everybody to be aware of that. I'm done, sir.
[00:49:00] Unknown:
Cool. Thank you very much. Congratulations on that. Unscathed, it sounds like. And, yes, some of them it's just boy, on this traffic stuff, it's just flat venue to venue on who you're dealing with, what they are, how they think, and, there's no consistency there. That's why it frustrates me so much. So my advice to everybody is drive really careful. Make sure all your little lighty poos are on and your little taillight tag lights are on and, working and all that stuff, and then drive under the speed limit. That's the best suggestion I can give you. K? Then you'll avoid almost all of it. Question. Yes, Paul. Yep. And make sure you got a copy of your card and your declaration with you just in case. Yep. Couldn't hurt. Gave it laminated. Have some with you, a little folder with you in your glove box or whatever, Paul.
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Question. How long have you been out of country?
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Me?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, I guess since two since February, however long that's been. I mean, excuse me, July.
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Okay. So, you're going on twenty years out of country.
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About sixteen, seventeen, something like that. I guess you could say going on twenty. I'll buy that. Okay.
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Well, there's there's been a couple of, turning points in how law enforcement deals with people.
[00:50:31] Unknown:
I'm sure of that. Yeah. I hear about it on you know, I'm plugged in the whole time. I may live down here, but I'm plugged into events up there.
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Alright. Well, one of those turning points was in the fifties, and then another one of those turning points was about twenty years later that was in the seventies. And and it seems that every twenty years, these guys turn the screws tighter. And what we've got now is we've got a whole lot of sub 100 IQ flat foots hiding behind a 10 badge and carrying a taser that Yeah. Sure. I know all that. That are responsible for funding the state that employs them.
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Okay.
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And you don't have to go over the speed limit. You don't have to all you've gotta do is have something going on with you or your car, innocent as can be, absolutely legal. But if a cop has a penis erectus for you, he will pull you over. And if you have anything out of the ordinary, if you're a national, if you don't have a driver's license, if you don't have a registration, if you don't have insurance, which which is highly stupid because you should, as a ethical and responsible individual, carry financial accountability coverage on anything you do in the unlikely event that you do harm another person.
You should have insurance.
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Okay.
[00:52:05] Unknown:
But Or DWB. Yeah. Or or you could be DWB.
[00:52:11] Unknown:
Yep. That's right.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
It doesn't matter to these guys anymore. If they're bored or pissed off because they didn't get any of that That's right. The night before or the morning before work, they will come after you.
[00:52:27] Unknown:
Well, that's very possible, but it's only gonna be a very small percentage. It's not gonna be the usual fare. Okay? And that may happen, but chances are if you're doing everything right and you're making sure everything on your car is right on some sort of regular basis, you're probably not going to come into that. If you are, be real nice. Do whatever the guy wants. You don't wanna try and try this on the side of the road with the sub I 100 IQ, man of the law or a truck our truck backing up like one is now into our forum here. Okay. Well, I'll shut up. I'll respect you. Who's backing up? Truck.
She's backing up.
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Alright. Well, I think it I think a conservative estimate would be about 50%. Fifty % of actual infractions as opposed to 50% of just manufactured
[00:53:28] Unknown:
exchanges. Yeah. I don't I don't think it's any way that I And it varies by jurisdiction. Off. I'm sure that it does that.
[00:53:36] Unknown:
Sorry. That was me. Because I was just They were in Georgia. In Idaho. I was just gonna say that we can, you know, we can turn about as fair play. They're the sovereign citizen. They're the fed trying to bring their territorial jurisdiction of Washington DC into the states. You know? So Yeah. And the nationality definitely protects us. So, yeah, take the take the positive, take the high road, take the what Christ has given you in your heart, and don't be afraid of these efforts. You know? Yeah. So I yield. Yeah.
[00:54:06] Unknown:
That beep beeping reminded me. Most of y'all probably don't know about Bortz. I wouldn't think. Neil Bortz, I don't even know if he's still alive or not. He used to be a big talk show host in Atlanta for years. They syndicated him. So he was around the country. But Borja was making a bunch of money when they did that. And him and his wife were buying real estate down in the Naples, Florida area. And he was down there, Paul, in a Walmart, I think. And, the lady, big big heavyset lady, and her phone has that that's her ringtone.
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Yeah.
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And so her phone goes off and Ward says in a loud voice, look out. She's backing up. Uh-huh. Yeah. And got, got a very, f u look from the lady, I guess.
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Hey. Fat shamer you.
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And the horse you rode in on. Okay. Where else can we go today? Michael, we're, you know, we'll help you, buddy. We'll all extend our hands. I think you can see that from joining in the conversation here. We'd like for you to succeed, but, you know, it's your choice. And if you need help, we're here to help you. Otherwise, the only way that I know maybe does anybody else have a suggestion for Michael? The only thing I know for for people to do to overcome this is to replace the fear with positive education and knowledge, and it displaces the other, at least in my experience. So anybody else got any suggestions for Michael?
Now know that we're gonna have to, say goodbye to our other stations here in a second. But does anybody have any suggestions for Michael?
[00:55:52] Unknown:
Sir, I could share something.
[00:55:54] Unknown:
Alright. Please do. And then we'll get to the the Michigan.
[00:55:59] Unknown:
Hello, Kyle? I called in last week. Yeah. Yeah. I was just Hey, Kyle. Like, I I didn't call in for so long because I'm just, like, listening. I'm like, I've been so conditioned. I'm just wondering if this is even real, if Roger Sales is even a real person, if any of this is real. And I can pinch myself. Looking into the information, it proves itself. Once you really understand it, the information is there, and it's just no denying it.
[00:56:28] Unknown:
That's why I encourage all of you to go look at these sources. I give you the sources of everything and tell you to go make this information yours. When I'm selling you this on the radio not selling, telling you this on the radio. Okay. It's a guy on the radio telling me this stuff. But when you go look at it and take the time out of your schedule to go somewhere and look that up and see it yourself, now it's yours. It's not mine on the radio anymore. That's yours. Okay. Hold on just a second, Bruce. So, that's why I always encourage people to go back and look at these sources. It's just building your own foundation.
Okay? That's the way you overcome this stuff. Believe me, when you get over the line in the other space, these people are scared to death of you. K? I you may have that find that hard to believe, but I promise you, it is. K? Why do you think Jerry up there with the passport thing would get a call from somebody at the passport office with that whole bluff thing that they put him through? Oh, we can't accept this. No. Your wife's a citizen of The United States. We're gonna return your package. Okay. Check too, please. And, then they go on vacation. They come back, and they let it process, and the passports were in the mailbox. I'm telling you, these people are paper tigers.
You may have a hard time believing that. We've proved it numerous times. They're paper tigers. The only thing they've got is this illusion. And once it's broken, they got nothing except a bunch of except a bunch of charges potentially to get thrown at them. Every damn law in the history of the planet, they've broken.
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I mean, come on. We've got about forty five seconds to the whistler. I I have a couple of,
[00:58:24] Unknown:
suggestions. Well, I'm a let Paul take it. Go ahead, sir.
[00:58:28] Unknown:
Michael, if you have not read the citizenship handbook for nationals multiple times cover to cover, do so. If you have not, read the sovereign, or the anti government movement guidebook numerous times cover to cover, do so. The, citizenship handbook for nationals gives you all the information that you need to know, and the anti government movement guidebook tells you what kind of shenanigans they are gonna try to do to rebut your position, your political status. And if you are armed with those two pieces of information, you will go far, and they won't mess with you. One zero six point nine WVOU FM Chicago and radiosoapbox.com.
Thank you so much for joining us for the first hour of this program. Please go to the matrixdocs.com. Down in the download section, you too can find the anti government movement guidebook and the citizenship handbook for nationals and a bunch more, including a trifold brochure. You could print that baby out, print on both sides, hold it three ways, and, oh, hell, keep me in your glove box. Whatever. Follow us into the second hour by going to Eurofolk Radio or Global Voice Radio Network. Thank you.
[00:59:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that maybe people will look at may need to look at the, high dialectical of this of, okay. I'll give it. You got all this power. How'd you get it? Right. How'd you get all this power here that you're exercises, you big big swinging dongs all over the world. How'd you get all this power? They stole it. You're not gonna get it's gonna be like dropping a rock down a well.
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They stole it. They stole it by presumption and by fear through fear and intimidation.
[01:00:36] Unknown:
It's just phenomenal what these people pulled off here, and it's so simple. Bruce, you were trying to say something a minute ago. We got hung up on all that. Say your piece, baby. Say it.
[01:00:46] Unknown:
Alright. This is what's what's going on with me. I sent it in in three days. I'm refusing to offer a contract. Okay.
[01:00:56] Unknown:
I sent it in yesterday. On your are you back on your traffic case again?
[01:01:01] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:01:02] Unknown:
Okay. Just so we know. Go ahead.
[01:01:05] Unknown:
Okay. I'm sorry. Anyway, so I sent it in yesterday. It got in the mail with the return receipt that has been served. And, I also put in my affidavit to the Secretary of State of United States on being a national. I didn't mention that in any document on the at at the at the administrative process I'm doing with the ticket. That that other, affidavit to the secretary of states was thirty days, and it becomes a law. Alright. Not a That is already the law back in my, administrative process right there.
[01:01:54] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you. So does anybody else have, any suggestions for Michael and, or anybody else Yeah. I got a question. How does that be Roger?
[01:02:05] Unknown:
Roger? Yes. Who is this? How does that become law after thirty days of being unrebutted? How does that hold up before?
[01:02:14] Unknown:
You ever heard the, the dictum silence deems consent?
[01:02:20] Unknown:
That's I've heard you say that many times.
[01:02:23] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it came. You wanna know where it came from? I mean, it's well, okay. I don't know where that came from. Something if I say something to you and you don't answer, then isn't it true? If it wasn't true, you'd answer, wouldn't you? I mean, see, this is just pure logic right here. Okay. It came from King Henry the eighth when he was trying to get a male heir, and he couldn't get a wife out of all those wives. He kept lopping their heads off and shit. And he was looking for the pope to get a divorce decree, and he wouldn't give it to him because everybody the popes and the Muslims, everybody wanted England. See? And so, he brought all it was still a bunch of Catholic stuff. He brought all the priests in the country, the bishops, whoever, into a building outside of, London.
And he said, you're either you live here. You're gonna follow my law. You're not gonna follow the pope's law. And if anybody disagrees with it, I'm gonna separate you from your head. And none of them disagreed. And he said silence deems consent. It's been a law law canon ever since. If I if somebody says something to you and you don't object, then you got then that deems you accept, doesn't it? Is there any other option? Michael?
[01:03:41] Unknown:
Yeah. I understand. Okay. That's what's going on. Can I go back to the can I go back to that sovereign citizen stuff years and years ago, decades ago? I guess. Okay. If you insist I was reading a couple. I was reading a couple case cases on that, and the court did not, acknowledge those affidavits of fact, of evidence, and those sovereign citizens would declare it. They would, put forth an affidavit and said it was unrebutted, and the court just laughed at them.
[01:04:15] Unknown:
Yeah. You know why? They were given that private to the wrong people. If you don't this is why we tell you. You only the secretary of state that can be submitted to were defective. Insert here?
[01:04:28] Unknown:
It might help a little bit. The sovereign citizen claim is a dogma claim. I I declare myself a circus participant, meaning that I am no longer, a part of that. Okay? It's self declarated. It is based on false information. And when submitted to the court, there's no support for it and no no statute to support the claim. So when you use that term, you have just separated yourself from any statute or anything like that, which results in the court, what, ignoring it. Because they cannot recognize it, there's nothing written on the books about it. I I use it. Plug in. This is the feudal system.
[01:05:11] Unknown:
The secretary of state is the lord of the manner in charge of all matters concerning citizenship. He's he excuse me. He has that power because he's the guy that's always been responsible for passports. A passport, by its definition, is a document that introduces you to foreign nations. If he's gonna write the document that introduces you, then he's gotta know what your legal status is if there's more than one. Where do you get this is this is Michael from Minnesota. Where did and the the the France goes, well, where does he get his rights and to whom does he owe his duties? What kind of Michael is this? They're wanting your legal personality.
And the secretary of state is obligated by this responsibility in history to represent you as totally as possible accurately. That's why they've driven the whole scheme through here. And if you do not submit your paperwork to him, then you stay under the other status no matter who you're giving it to. It's got to go through the secretary of state. That's why we recommend you do a passport after you send it to him. So these are things, Michael, that you don't understand, and you're imputing wrong information in there that doesn't apply to us. As the little site said on Copper Moonshine still, if a person can't prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can move on to assessment and collection.
If the person cannot prove, well, how do you prove it? Well, there's only one way. You gotta do some sort of a declaration to the secretary of state in some capacity. It can be 31 pages or it can be one sentence. As is their example, on the state department website, I, Michael from Minnesota, expressed my intent to to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. Swear to be that's all you have to say. One sentence. So and it rebuts that presumption. If you don't do this, then you don't get out. That's why they've set it up like this. It's like a lobster trap. It's easy to get in, but I'll be damned if that big old lobster can get them claws in that body out once he's in. That's what this is, designed like. And that's what it I mean, just keep listening and keep studying, Michael. It'll come to you.
Alright? You're letting your fear overcome something, and and I wish I hope that doesn't happen. But I can't do that. Only you can. Your skepticism the only way it's fear born out of skepticism, born out of of of of I'm not gonna say ignorant. You're not ignorant, obviously, but lack of information. It's all born out of that, it seems like to me. Okay? Who said was that Samuel there?
[01:08:20] Unknown:
No. This is Sheldon again. That's secretary of state's page that you just mentioned. The second paragraph tells you you have dual citizenship, and the last paragraph tells you and the last paragraph tells you how to get out of it. I mean, there's everything you need right there. And and the middle tells you what it is because it quotes the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which that information
[01:08:43] Unknown:
comes from the Nationality Act of 1940, a public statute. So, Michael, just keep checking on our way at it, man. We'll be happy to help you. Pleasure. But I do. We need to Hey, Roger. Can I jump in here a second? I well, you can if you'll let me finish. Okay? I'm sorry that you're driven by that, and I I hope somehow that either you or with our assistance, we can get you out of it. Now I'm gonna let Myrka go first. There's two, three people. Dave's there. Okay. Myrka, what do you got for young Hey, Roger. I
[01:09:17] Unknown:
I didn't hear his question, but I'm just wondering, has he, has he reviewed the codes of what their their state is using? Because the definitions gives you the definition gives you a, a clear picture of who is in commerce and who's not.
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Right. Well, I don't know what he and his wife have been studying. They have been evidently doing that, but I don't know all those specifics. That they're I think they're listening to shows, and they're probably going back and looking at stuff. But like Michael said, you know, Michael, you said something the other day that shows me you're could could I be I'm I'm not trying to be you're a little bit naive to all this whole big change in the world, aren't you, that you're being exposed to?
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Very naive.
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Okay. You know how I guess gauge that was last week, you said you were thinking about rolling over a CD. Get that stuff in gold and silver. Okay? K. Yeah. Do you know that every the whole banking system is a fraud? Have I have you heard me explain that? Every loan is a fraud. Yeah. But they don't loan you money. It's set up where you loan them your signature on a promissory note, and then they take that and use it for you to get your good. And then they've got compound interest attached and, whatever the good is as collateral. But they never loaned you any money. You did that when you signed the promissory note.
It's this is a slick system, ma'am. I'm trying to get something. That's why you put your funds in something solid. Otherwise, you're in this interest trap. And here you go. You know, the big they the the gold didn't pay interest. Well, you know what? When I've got the highest performing asset in the last twenty five years, I don't need their stinking interest, do I? Even their interest underperforms what I've got. So all bogus, get into things that are real and solid. That's what we're showing you here is reality.
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K? He else he also needs to review the the information that they're using again. They're trying to impose on us. And if he hasn't re reviewed his codes, his vehicle code,
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and understand the verbiage in it It's not a driving thing. Or Well, I Yeah. He it's not a driving thing with Michael. He's out driving a tractor in his field right now, plan. Okay. K? It's a thing of just being overall skeptical and being scared of the IRS. Just being fearful. Being a very, very, suggestive recipient of their programming tricks and their conditioning tricks. See, this is the this what they've done is they've done it highly scientifically. They didn't just stumble into this. As general Parton told me, when we were studying fraud Freud.
Freud's fraud. When we were studying Freud, they were studying Pavlov. And that's the result. That's what you're dealing with right here. And we're and we're under natural
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law. So he needs to Yeah. He needs to understand
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that. He's not under natural law unless he files the paperwork.
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Right. K. That's true.
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Okay. Dave, what do you got?
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Okay. It's for it's Michael, right, in Minnesota?
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Minnesota.
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Okay. So check this out. I'm pretty sure it's been a while since I thought about it, but public law 94Dash241Secondtion302. I'm pretty sure it says you can go in front of a judge and claim that you are a national and not a US citizen. It's public law. Ninety fourth congress. I don't remember the date, but it's there. Just look up public law 94 dash two forty one section three zero two. It'll take you right to it. Type that in any search engine. It'll take you right to it. Okay? Please just please just file an affidavit with the secretary of state. Is that what the sovereign citizens tried to do? No. No. No. That doesn't say anything about being a you can't be a sovereign and a citizen.
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This is insane. Michael, find me a definition of sovereign citizen and come back and use it and give me the definition, please. You're throwing it around. You can't find it anywhere. It's not in a court case. It's not in a law. It's not in a regulation. It's in some damn sodomy pedophile larceny center. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center's books because it's meant as a defense mechanism exactly like the term antisemite and holocaust are all designed to stop you in your tracks.
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What were they trying to do decades ago? If they weren't trying to call themselves sovereign citizens, what were they trying to claim to be?
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Oh, well, you say decades ago. First time I remember here.
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Early nineties, mid nineties.
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No. It wasn't around back then. Roger.
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It wasn't around. You're talking about the tea the Tea Party movement that, the government shut down, and this is where a lot of that dogma came from. Okay.
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A a king A sovereign king.
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And a citizen is a slave. You can't be a king and a slave or a subject at the same time. I'll entertain the the sovereign citizen description
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when we can find a definition and a source for it. Otherwise, we're pissing into the wind. Do you understand? We're doing the the protocols of the learned elders of Zion says, we'll get them arguing over issues of little difference. Do you understand? That's what this is. Larry? Yeah.
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Mister McDonald, forgetting his first name. You know, miss mister McDonald?
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Sir sir Richard
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from California? Richard McDonald. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. He used to he used the term, state citizen
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when he when he was teaching. Court cases. Well, that's what's in all the old court cases. They hadn't found National at that point. I'm the one that found this. I'm not being patting myself on the back. I'm just telling you, nobody out there years ago, I believe it was the Dave, I think it was the Right Way Law guys from Michigan. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Atlanta, and we were in a big room on a weekend seminar and just people talking and this, that, and the other. And I heard somebody from the table up there, the head's table, made the statement. We are nationals.
I don't know who said it. I don't know what the context was, but it registered with me. Years down the line, I find out in the passport application that we're nationals. Finally, I know what it is. Instead of a white citizen or a this or that, and that's a lot of the problem. Again, I'll reiterate, that our movement has. They don't understand. They're they need to look at concepts and not labels because they changed the labels. You're off chasing the same damn thing just because you think it's something different, and it's not.
This is another part of the plan and the way they do things and execute. And they executed it to fool you and enslave you. And they did a pretty damn good job, didn't they? Roger? Yes.
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Okay. For Michael, everything is hidden in plain sight. Like, Roger found this in the the application. Okay? Right on the face of your passport book, they have a designation. They say US citizen forward slash national. National. That can't mean anything but what it is. A national. And they put it secondary because they want everybody to believe they're US citizens first.
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It's in your face getting in place. Right there. It's and and and I'm sorry. Again, I'm gonna say it, Michael. Your problem's between your ears. And, we're trying to help you deal with it, but, ultimately, you're the one and your your little sweet thing are the ones that are gonna have to deal with it and and live with it. So, we'll help you, but I all we can do is bird dog you. You're the one that's gotta do it. Anybody else got any conversation for Michael or anything or somebody? I think it is that Thora?
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Yes. It is. Hi. Thora.
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I was thinking about you yesterday. I said, where has that girl been? Well, I hope maybe you don't know where it's going to be. Go ahead. I'm still here. I'm I've been listening every day. Okay. Michael, I want you to know, Thora and her husband, Ed, he he's an anesthesiologist and walked away from the top paying job at the hospital because he wouldn't take the jab. So here's these kind of two people that got some kind of information, and I hope example for you. Thanks for calling in, Thora.
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Of course. Yeah. I've been thinking about, Michael, expressing fear the past few days. And, as far as the sovereign citizen, issue is concerned, I think that I might be wrong about this, but I think that that really only happens mostly in traffic stops with, like you said, people, you know, that, aren't gonna know this information. But the IRS is a completely different animal, and they know when you call yourself, I mean, nonresident alien, you that they know what that means. So it's it's like they're not gonna accuse you of being a sovereign citizen and start, you know, banging down your door. So I feel like the the sovereign citizen thing is really for, like you said, those, you know, low IQ policemen on the side of the road, that you don't wanna be arguing with anyway.
But I don't I really don't really understand. I do understand the fear about the IRS, but, again, like you said, when you have the knowledge, to back up your position, the IRS is is not they're, they're not gonna accuse you of being a a sovereign citizen.
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So, Dory, you might have gone through and, yes, you, maybe. Dora, you and Ed went through this about a year ago. Right?
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It was, yeah, it was a year ago, December. So
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Has, how does it affect you? For November. Have you had any dramatic? Now Ed's gone off. He left the hospital. He has his own practice now. Has anything, happened positive or negative to you guys in that time?
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Well, I mean, I think the only thing as far as becoming nationals is that we've both of us, I think, feel much more empowered. I don't feel afraid of the IRS or anyone else really. Yep. And and the important thing is that we just keep learning. I mean, the more that I I listen to your shows all the time and the more knowledge that I get, the more I feel like if anything does come up, then I'm able to handle it. And plus, you know, there I I also feel like there are other people, you know, we're I feel like we're like a a big family here. And when issues do come up, we can reach out for help, and there's always somebody there to help out.
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Yep. Yep.
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So So I don't Thorpe, just her understand
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Go ahead. Go ahead.
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I was just thinking I heard the other thing. Program.
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He started hanging around. And now with the tentacles are spread out, and Ed's got some connections with a bunch of other smart people, and, our lives keep going along. And it's just like I tell the program here. When you do this, nothing changes. The world is not gonna change. It'll accommodate you. You can go deal with the bill bureaucrat, and they're gonna say, are you a citizen of The United States? You go, no. I'm a national. Okay. And they go on and do whatever you want them to do. There no no backlashes, but you've got to be the change because the world's not gonna change. Something's gotta change. Some realities change.
You've got to be the change. And the only way that happens is when you internalize and understand the information. It always goes back there. No matter what angle you're looking at it, it always goes back there. And the more you do that, the freer you are. And, you know, what was the I better know what that is. It's a it's a spiral that grows on itself. And here's another long here's a long timer here, Gary, up in Montana. Gary, you're sounding a lot better.
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Well, thank you for that. But as far as this whole debate that you've been having for the last hour goes I have probably got a hundred a hundred nationals up here in Flathead County, Montana, and not a single one of us have got anything from the IRS. There you go. Zero. Okay. So Two, you must realize that we're in a period of what's called fifth generation warfare. Yes, sir. And in fifth generation warfare, they use information and deceit to fool you into thinking something's important when it's not. And that's exactly what's go happened over the last ten, fifteen years with the sovereign citizen stuff is that they have purposely brought that into the forefront to deceive people because they don't want us finding out about the national status or utilizing that to our benefit.
Why? Because that sets us free. And if you claim to be a US citizen, well, read the two pages of court cases that's on the website that purposely, by the Supreme Court, rule that you are property. There's a big difference.
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Yeah. And don't forget, Brockle again. These these little nuances like this right here, when we Gary uses that word property, we don't wanna use it and think of it in the colloquial sense like we do. We all do. That tractor's your property. Well, no. That you have a a right in and to the tractor, and the property is a right and not a thing. The tractor is a thing. These are all these little nuances in ways they've used to trick us. Heard an interview this morning of, oh, who she interviewed. Real Sharp, the black representative from Florida, Donegan or something. Very, very sharp guy. And the host is sitting there reading the constitution to him, and it goes person, person, person, person. See, well, that person's right there. Well, she doesn't understand. That's legal persons because the constitution's a legal document.
It has to be legal persons. So they receive their rights from God, know God their duties. If that's right, that's the person. If it's not, it's not that person. These people are taught claiming due process. The the of of El Salvadorian Garcia that was come, illegally got in the country twice, committed no telling what crimes, he's not eligible for due process. That's only for persons under the constitution. K? So it's all these little nuances that they confuse people. And I'm sorry that you gotta go back, I think, to effectively understand the big picture here. You gotta know all that stuff.
So sorry. That should cost you your freedom right there. You wanna be free? Watch it. Learn it. Don't wanna be free? Don't learn it. Hold it. Yeah. I interrupted Gary, Larry. Gary and Larry, but Larry's gonna follow Gary. Isn't he Gary? Oh, hell. He can't get to his mute. It was Gary. It's good to hear you, buddy. I'm, glad you're getting better. Larry, go ahead. He's doing something, obviously. Thank you for your Yeah. So, this this idea of,
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the sovereign citizen speak has been around since 02/2008 and probably even before that. So this is from a case, that involved a Fernando Dela Tor, from 02/2008. He was a convicted gang member who who murdered several people, and he was using sovereign citizen language in his pleadings because he was representing himself pro se. And the, the the judge, this was at the the appellant level and, he wrote his opinion. He said in these papers, he and that's he's referring to de la Torre. He challenged the legitimacy of the United States government, its jurisdiction over him, and the validity of the charges brought against him. He claimed to be a sovereign, and that's in quotes, and immune from prosecution.
But Nabe later joined Dela Tora. I think that was one of his coconspirators in the gang, joined Dela Tora in this effort to thwart the proceedings by his own assertions of sovereignty and immunity. It goes down it goes on to say a few few sentences later, he demanded to know of the prosecutor what legal definition exactly, legal definition of the term person are you applying to me for the purposes of these proceedings?
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Someone's got their mute open. That's not me, Roger. Conversation going on the back. Thank you, Larry. Anyway, so this was this you say is that the appellate level? This wasn't at the district court level?
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Right. 02/2008, and I got two more sentences to read. Dela Tor repeated his claim that he was a this is, quote, a born sovereign flesh and blood human being and a secured party creditor, end quote. When the court announced that there would be a hearing on the competency evaluation, Dela Tora interrupted. I need to address these various issues right here and now. The court stated the hearing was concluded. One more sentence. Della Tora, however, maintained that he continued to challenge what he called the court's, quote, subject matter and personum jurisdiction, end quote.
Judge Castillo then referred to Della Torres pro se filings and said that his requests would be denied. So, yeah, that sovereign citizen language goes back even to 02/2008.
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That's my point. I knew it went back there. I'd I'd that's when it started coming up. And, yep. It came out of, I believe, the Southern Poverty Law Center, if you can go back and pin that down. If if it didn't come out of there, they've certainly got on the bandwagon and whooped it up a bunch. K? So, they're priming the pump. Why? Because it's a perfect straw man for what we're doing. It helps get people confused just like Michael today and not understand what it is and mistake it for what we're doing. And we have nothing to do with that. And should anybody accuse you of that or ask you if you're that, you say no.
I'm a national because I can show you that in The United States code. I can show it to you in public laws. I can show it to you all over the place. So I hope that helps. You you know, they've tricked us. Here's another good proof of what I tell you. They set us up with all these generalities. Oh, national, sovereign citizen, whatever, whatever. Yeah. They're all the same. And then they come back and zap us with specificity. No. Underneath this nationally. You don't know that? So we're sending you to the hanging platform. You got to learn the stuff with specificity. I'm sorry. If if your freedom's worth it to you, you will. And if it's not, you won't.
So it's your decision. Anybody got anything to add to that? Thora, good to hear your voice, sweetie. Tell that hello, by the way. My best.
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I will, Roger. Thank you.
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You're welcome, sweetie. Thank you. How's the, teeny tiny spice company doing?
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It's busy.
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Is it? Is your son taking it over? Is your son and daughter-in-law gonna take it over?
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Yeah. They will eventually. I'm still working, but they, I'm I've been training them. So yeah. Cool.
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Yeah. Cool. Well, we always appreciate hearing from you. Well, thank you. Really neat people that hang around here if you hadn't engaged that already. It's the message. Hopefully, the conversation's stimulating and all that. It's interesting, and, we wish we had new people all the time to train, and we don't do much. But this is a very interesting case with Michael because it keeps showing back up with him, unfortunately. So, Michael, you got any other questions or comments? Are you out there driving the roads or what? Are we distracting you or what? You got a pretty good signal coming from a tractor.
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He's being an awesome farmer because Yeah. Well like like all other farmers, he's outstanding in his field.
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No. He's out driving a tractor in his field.
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Oh, okay. Well, okay. Alright. Just to clarify things. Just to clarify, I guess. And and I thought his,
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his reception was excellent from a cab. That's probably one of those real fancy tractors or something. Anyway, well, Michael, you keep coming back. Keep studying. We hope you wanna accomplish this and understand it. And, we all like to, help you. You can somebody I think it was Dan said the other day, can't you feel the love from the group of all these people reaching out and try this? Look at this. And what about I have something to add to that, Roger, if I may. Yes, sir. Yeah. Well, hey, Dan. Good to know you're there. Good day. No. I mean, perfect segue. I I really appreciate you, Roger. It's amazing.
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But to Michael, that's my brother's name. It's a biblical name. It's got power behind it. But even beside that, just start dreaming. Dream of the moment that you're free of certain taxations, certain regulations that actually, you in fear. Just keep dreaming about it because the fact of the matter is it's coming your way whether you want it or not. Not literally, but spiritually, that's sort of what's happening. It's coming down the pipe. It's really starting to be about it because you'll do one thing at a time. You'll do one little thing. You'll take a step finally if you keep it front and center and keep looking at it.
Yeah. That's it. I I yield, Raj.
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Yeah. Thank you, Dan. And always good to hear your voice too. So who who else would like to chime in here? We got I don't know. Yes. Twenty five minutes or somebody. Yes. Yes, sir. Please.
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Sheldon? On the back of what Dan just said, listening to this whole thing today and the other day, the first thing that's paramount is he needs to drop that phrase from his lexicon. That is costing him so much time and so much distress. What? Right. As soon as he quit saying sovereign citizen, then he's gonna open up the other side of his brain, and he can have the energy, have the time to start reading the surface stuff, like the trifold and on and on. Uh-huh.
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I don't think he's brought it up before today. At the time, it was IRS stuff. And and and like I said and pointed out, and I thought about it a couple of times, he made the casual comment one day as I was rolling over my CDs, and they are asking me, are you a citizen of The United States? Well, right there, that tells me that he doesn't understand the financial system enough. If he's got some kind of savings unless he needs it in cash immediately, it would be a much wiser decision to put it in something, solid.
And that's what their see, their whole plan here is designed to enslave you, use your energy like an ant farm, if you will, and and develop and grow and cultivate all this that they're gonna harvest. And, eventually, they're gonna harvest you. But it's just like an ant farm if you ever, look at it that way. Was that Dave?
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Yes, sir.
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So, you know, just, you know, I pick up things, and I heard, Michael say he's planting soybeans.
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Oh, is that
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So yeah. And it is and and it's probably for fuel. You know he sells those beans for fuel so he's already enslaved by Monsanto or whoever the GMO company is that he's buying his stuff from and and I'm telling you I know it's a fact that soybeans have a, an estrogen mimicker in them. Yep. And they cause irreparable damage to the body and to the animals that eat the waste. And Yeah. I'm telling you that that's that might be one of his issues that he's suffering from this estrogen mimicker, and he's gotta clean that crap out of his body and his mind. Know it's very
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it's very interesting you'd bring that up. I got two points, on that. One is the recent findings that if they take a bunch of liberals and inject testosterone into them, they all turn conservative. That's just recently that the findings are coming out. But I will tell you years ago, when I would listen to Tom Valentine and pastor Pete and and and Bill Cooper and all that line up there on WWCR back in the nineties, Tom Valentine, very health oriented. Some of you might remember Tom would remember that. He had a guy on there they interviewed that was a researcher in New Zealand, and he had been grant under a grant from, Nestle.
And he in his research, he found what that that mimicker is. And it's very easy for them to get rid of it, actually, Dave. And when he told them about it in his research, they defunded him.
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Of course. Of course, they did. No. All all really, he needs he needs to nutrify himself and eat more cholesterol, like natural, like like eggs, yolks,
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egg yolks, but, Red meat. Get that raw red meat. Yeah.
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Right.
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So, anyway,
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good luck, brother. Dave. Boy, that cheap ass phone sure sounds good. Okay. Who else is, who else has got something to add to the to the festivities here in the day after Cinco de Mayo? I hope you had it, at least a corona in commemoration, or are you so damn sick of the illegal alien migrants that you didn't even want to have a corona?
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Paul, which one? No. I didn't have I didn't have a corona. Up here, there's, a beer called Utica Club, and, their claim to fame is that it was the first beer sold after Prohibition. Well, the one I had last night kinda tasted like it was from the first batch.
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From before before a bitching. Now let me ask you, because you bring up Utica. Are you close to Utica? About 34 miles away, 35 miles. Are you familiar? You know, they've had their own currency for decades, the Utica dollar. Hey. You haven't come in contact with that, have you? No. No. I have not. Have you ever heard of it?
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Not that I remember.
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I'm way down. That's the Ithaca
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Ithaca dollar? Yeah. It was the Ithaca dollar. I've heard of that one. Well, right. Okay. Alright.
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Well, I, let's see if I can fit this in. Yeah. Yeah. It's Ithaca dollar, I think. I I would like I would I would do what John Benson would do is is I reserve the right to declare the, oh, the the the the Mark Twain doctrine. I reserve the right to to refrain to retain the Mark Twain doctrine. So, Paul, your question would be, well, what's the Mark Twain doctrine? And John would say, I never gave a damn for a man who could only spell a word one way.
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Well, that and I gotta have my cowbell.
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Oh, there are not too many times you get a chance to use that. So
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Well, you know, it's you know, he said to, oh god. I can't I I can't remember the names. But he, came across, oh, shit. What what is his name? The guy that was the the guy that was actually beaten on the cowbell. He was he was the one. So there was, alright. Anyway, it's not germane to the story anyways. Christopher Walken said, you know, you ruined my life when he was talking to, all the blonde, curly haired guy, whatever. And and he said, what? Everywhere I go everywhere. Everywhere I go, people are saying, gotta have more cowbells. You ruined my life.
Wow. That bit pigeonholed me into crap rolls that have destroyed my craft. Yikes. Oh, God. I'm sorry. Off on a tangent now. Apparently, Christopher Walken, he he, he saw he? Well, he was is Christopher Walken? He he was, oh, he was in, he wasn't in
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Oh, this is some movie thing?
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Yeah.
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I don't know. I don't know. I don't do movies, so I don't know what Yeah. What So in the audience, it'll somebody will relate to it, but it's not gonna be me. Yeah. Yeah. Angelina Jolie's dad. Pardon me?
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Angelina Jolie's dad.
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No. Okay. Christopher Walken?
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Christopher Walken was in brainstorm with Natalie Wood.
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Okay. Man, you movie buffs out there. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I'm ignorant to all that.
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He was on the boat when Natalie Wood drowned.
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Uh-huh. Okay. Gotcha. Poor Natalie Wood. She was a she was certainly a fine specimen.
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Some, some would say she faked her death and ran off with a girlfriend.
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Oh god.
[01:42:27] Unknown:
It's been out there. Hey. That's that case. Yeah. That's that case. Have y'all and y'all that watch Barnes have heard about this. He's got this case up into Seattle. He's had to go up there for trial, spend a week, and talking about how wacko the judiciary in the state of Washington is. And the situation was the guy and the wife were separated. They had a child. He was doing nothing but trying to help the child, and they've turned everything around on him and trying to send him to jail for, like, ten, fifteen years or something. It's ridiculous. Okay? So Barnes has been been harping on it and given the background. Well, it turns out the ex wife has a girlfriend, has turned lesbian, and they're doing putting themselves out to travel the world and do all these worldwide sex shows and take the child with them. And the court's ruling against him.
So, man, no. It's it's wacko land out there. Be careful where you live.
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I I blame Sheldon.
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Sheldon?
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Because he's out there on the top of the mountain. He's overseeing all this crazy stuff.
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Poor Sheldon. Oh, Lord have mercy.
[01:43:45] Unknown:
So it's Tuesday. I think he needs a good lunch.
[01:43:49] Unknown:
No kidding. So it's Tuesday, and it's expat lunch day here. And, man, it has we've had a couple of cold days here lately.
[01:44:03] Unknown:
Oh, tell me about that. I've had a South by New England.
[01:44:07] Unknown:
Yeko Mundo. Well, we're hoping we'll break through this weather pattern and get back into this early summer. We'll see. I'm sure it'll happen eventually. But, hope it's better wherever you are. There wasn't anything of of any great substance, yesterday in the news. I mean, certainly, there's some things that are, you know, more important to others than whatnot, but there's nothing major breaking that I saw anyway last night. I was distracted a bit by a hockey game. But Moe, excuse me. Anyway, anybody see anything that's worth mentioning on the political field?
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I got you. Some reporting things happen. Sort of an old topic.
[01:44:51] Unknown:
Yes. What's that?
[01:44:53] Unknown:
Yeah. That's me, Dan. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah. I hear you, Dan. Oh, yeah. I I it's a it's a topic I brought up once before. It's just this whole thing. Now that we see more clearly, how much can we estimate that poor Donald has to serve two masters? I wrote a little piece to somebody that asked me about it. And I said the best case scenario, you know, the hopeful scenario is he knows it, and he's waiting till he's gathered enough collective power to not serve two masters. And the more, you know, the one that's historically more accurate is he's just serves two masters. And then, obviously, the one that's most historically accurate is they want to serve the second master because they're just atheists. So it's one, two, three in that gray zone somewhere. And the more I look, the more I see that, oh my god. He might be preparing to start to really dump the whole federal reserve system.
That's a possibility. And I wanted to ask you about what you thought of that because Well, it's very interesting. Think he's a yeah. He's aware that we're that people are becoming aware that the money is at stake. You can write stuff according to the, you know, bill of exchange act of what? 1882 all the way through. It went into the Federal Reserve master thing where section 16 describes it all. It's promulgated all the way forward into the UCC. You you know vaguely what I'm talking about or or maybe totally what I'm talking about, Raj. Your endorsement Yeah. As as as a Social Security holder, is is you can or actually, even without that, you can simply endorse.
You can take a pen and write, hey. Thank you. Accepted. Paid in the order of May? And and and I think people are becoming aware. It's it's becoming really aware in all the circles I go in. It's like hundreds of thousands, millions of people know about this now. They're they're all low key and not important people yet. But
[01:46:49] Unknown:
But we're making progress. Yeah. I think you're right, Dan. I think he's wanting to go to that. And, and the telltale example is this Iran situation within the last couple of weeks and the subsequent fall. There you go. Yeah. What do you make of that? The walls they well, they go after, the Department of Defense guy. I can't even Haggard. They did. HEXAF. Hegsef. Hegsef. They go after Hegsef. It was three deputies when the problem was Walls. That's that's is that a new name? It sounds like it. Right?
[01:47:25] Unknown:
You know, it could very well be. You gotta go to these people's Facebook pages and a couple things and just sort of see what they say in the words they use to figure it out. But could very well be Regardless,
[01:47:35] Unknown:
he's a Zionist. He was, I think, a former congressman. And for the audience, it might not have picked this up. What caused a lot of this was evidently when BB, I'm a yo yo yacht, Netanyahu was in the country. They had secret meetings with the walls trying to get him to encourage That's that's it. Striking Iran. Okay? And so then that got to Trump. So he didn't wanna fire him. They had the position open as UN ambassador. I hope Trump is thinking they have mentioned getting us out of the UN. Anyway, it's some kind of a hole, cubby hole spot, and that's where they moved malls. They didn't fire him for consulting with a foreign leader privately and trying to influence the president's decision. They didn't fire him for that. They just moved him over, but they went after Hegseth and his deputies who are in the let's not go and fight Iran insanity crap. Right. And they went and attacked him and tried to exchange all that stuff. So that's what I see as happening right there. Okay?
And that's I agree. I agree. Trump wasn't ready. He was not influenced. Yes. In a second, dear. He was not influenced to hit Iran and start all that crap. He's much wiser this time, and he made the separate decision with JD Vance, Susie Wiles, of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Kennedy, and those others said, let's not do this. Let's not hit Iran. It's absolutely stupid. It's stupid. It's suicidal for the whole planet. Yes, Julie. Please. Well, that'll be a good litmus test then, won't it? I'm just looking to just talk it out. Well, I think you're gonna see. I think that's I think that's the litmus test. It satisfied me That's what that he's not totally controlled by that faction. K? Which is very encouraging. I'm so hopeful, Roger.
Well, me too. That's what we're here with hope. Because I don't wanna sound like Obama, but hope and change. Julie.
[01:49:40] Unknown:
Yes. Hi. Good morning. Now that this was brought up, in your after show, we've been all talking about the birth certificate trust warehouse receipt and how and all caps name, and I think I have this whole thing figured out now. It is just so fraudulent. So I'm working on a remedy. I don't know if it'll work or not, but you're not gonna be able to get these We've already got a remedy. We've already got a remedy. No. No. No. I'm talking about a real remedy because we so that we can actually get so so that we can actually get access to our our bonds that are owned by us. I mean, so
[01:50:21] Unknown:
Alright.
[01:50:23] Unknown:
So do you know where do you know that there's there's two treasury departments? One is in Washington, DC, and the other one is in Puerto Rico? So and I have the codes now. I actually have the codes, Roger. We're after trust number 62, which is in Puerto Rico under title 31 USC thirteen twenty one, section 62 for the internal revenue service. They have it down there in Puerto Rico on purpose to hide it because it's a territory and have a different judicial system there. So we can't directly or attack collaterally through The U. S. Courts in Puerto Rico and access our accounts there and revoke it.
So there is we have a trust deed over this account and it is the United States attorney general under title 50 US code forty three twelve, which is the alien property custodian over our bonds, our birth certificate bonds. Why
[01:51:27] Unknown:
should we be allowed to cancel them? They're not our property in that one respect, although they are ultimately. But what do you think about that? Oh, they are % our property. We are,
[01:51:38] Unknown:
we are we are everything. We are the only thing we are not is the trustee, but we are the benefit because they they created it, improperly and they're using us and they're actually, they've created identity theft in our name. They're using it as the surety of payments. We don't even have bank accounts. The bank accounts that show our dollars and our money is the reason that's just an illusion. All of our accounts are down in Puerto Rico through this legacy trust. So this goes all the way back to trading with the enemy act that Roger has told us about forever, and the executive order by President FDR.
So it basically says that, that you and your name in all capital letters is what your estate trust down in Puerto Rico is in. And the lowercase, which we have discussed a million times off the air on the after show, is your labor. That's a % correct. So the it was actually the and I think Roger said this. It was actually the maternity act of 1920 that generates the birth certificate now known as a banknote. I got all the case law on this. I got case laws on this. Okay.
[01:52:54] Unknown:
So Yes. That was the federal now. Julie Julie, that was the federal side. There were existing state birth certificates already, but they were not used in this capacity best I can tell. Okay? And, yes, that was in the 2122 range, and they were setting up what they were gonna do ten, twelve years later to use those Yeah. But under birth certificates. They convert them over into the basis for bonds, and that another valuable paper or what they used as the basis for the bonds of The United States, the reissue of the federal government in bonds in bankruptcy.
Go ahead.
[01:53:35] Unknown:
Yeah. So, but the title 31 of the code of federal regulation section, three six three six three is your minor account, and and this is public law. And the account is at the Bureau of Fiscal Services, and at the Treasury Department, and the IRS is your accountant.
[01:53:58] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I wish that you all would confine the discussion to the after show. I think it's extremely confusing. If there are new people listening, they're going, what the? And we I'm here to interest I'm interested in getting you free. Julie, you wanna spearhead a that sounds like a good business for you. If you can figure out a way to get some funds back,
[01:54:19] Unknown:
get a percentage for doing Yeah. I am gonna figure it out because I think I have the remedy. I think I have the remedy, Roger. The only issue is that Well The only issue is welcome. Yeah. So anyway, the only issue may be basil basil three, where they swindled our money out of the Hacienda de Gobierno del Puerto Rico. If they took our money out of that and combined it and swindled it into
[01:54:46] Unknown:
IMF state. It's currency. It's currency. It's not money. Yep. That's what I meant to say, currency. Okay. There you go. See, that's what I'm telling you. You gotta be very specific in this. And the words we use, if we're still using their definitions attached to them, we're still creating their reality. You've gotta be conscious of it. And and I'm telling you, it's hard because I try and hold myself to the line on this. And I I catch myself doing it wrong all the time. But the more you can be conscious of that element of this and the words you speak create a reality and use the right definition, the better off you are. The more reality you are, the more you can affect other people. If you start using those words in conversations with them, you might can affect the other people.
But the words Well, I think we ought to I mean, didn't God speak the world into existence?
[01:55:44] Unknown:
Yeah. But I think we ought to go further and ask Elon Musk how come he's not going down to Puerto Rico and auditing all of the fake $10.99, which are the acquisition of your secured property, which is the identity theft for all of the big performance and payment bonds that all these government agencies are writing against us behind our name, which makes us the principal and the assurity, which is identity theft. We never authorized them to do this, and they were they never disclosed this to us. We need to revoke these securities and tell them to give us our money back. That's what we do when we file the affidavit. In essence, we don't have No. No. No. No. No. No. I want I want what? Money from my bond, Roger. I
[01:56:31] Unknown:
I do not want I do not want anything except my freedom from these bastards, and I'm fine. If you wanna go back and think there's a way to claw that back, a I do. Think that they're actually gonna give it to you, then you go off and do that. And when you've done it successfully, come back, and we'll let you start a business right here on this platform with it. Yeah. Please, make sure that if I'm suicidal, do you tell everybody that I have never been suicidal before? No. Well, that won't matter because you said that today, and this will be next week. So, obviously, too much time has passed for it to have any meaning bearing in effect.
Thank you, Julie.
[01:57:12] Unknown:
I got all these these. We're almost Hey. Hey. I wanted to let you know I wanted to let you know real quick, Roger, that your Social Security agreement connects to the Federal Reserve account number, which is a letter coupled with eight digits, which is found on the back of your Social Security card, and that is your only true bank account, and it's called your legacy count. And it's your lifetime labor within with the United States Treasury who hired the private Federal Reserve Bank to regulate your spending. So all of these wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I I got to tell you this. Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, and Wells Fargo, they're just public utilities.
You could go look at it under Title 31, Code of Federal Regulations three sixty three, and they're using that to pay your bills. And so there's no such thing as federal reserve notes or any of this stuff. We're double paying everything.
[01:58:13] Unknown:
Roger. Yes, Larry.
[01:58:17] Unknown:
I think Paul, said one time, your or or Paul Beaner, that, that those bonds belong to The US system people. Isn't that what you said one time on year, Paul? What bond?
[01:58:34] Unknown:
Which bonds? They belong to us, Larry. Larry, they belong to us. I have the proof, and I have the court cases.
[01:58:41] Unknown:
Okay. I would be interested in seeing that. However, my, my bent on it up to this point is, he who creates, owns, and controls even if he creates something and names it something else. You didn't create the bond. You were not the one that physically deposited into it. You did not put the energy into feeding that bond. Mhmm. And a whole lot of people that have tried to access those bonds have gotten in a lot of trouble. So
[01:59:12] Unknown:
dot your i's. And that's the owners of that call. We own them. They fraudulently committed identity theft against us by using us by writing performance bonds against us. They are they're owned by We The People.
[01:59:25] Unknown:
Okay. Well, if you No. If you go chase that,
[01:59:28] Unknown:
bring some positive results back, we'll entertain and unconfuse all of us on it. Okay? Yes. Because I see it to be That's what you've been trying to do, confusing all of us on what the word resident is. I'm yeah. No. I'm a Roger. One I'm a one trick pony, baby, and that's your freedom. You wanna go chase this other stuff? You go do it. I'm I'm secure in that field, so I don't need that. And I it's your decision like all the rest of this stuff. Is it worth your time, effort, energy to think about that, learn it? But I wanna see if it works first or we don't wanna bring it up here. And all it does really is really confuses a lot of people, I think, Julie.
[02:00:11] Unknown:
So anyway not go ahead. All I want them to do is cross my palm with about a million pieces of paper, and they can keep the rest of it. I don't give a damn.
[02:00:20] Unknown:
I I don't care. I just wanna be done with them. K? I wanna be able to stick my finger in the face and tell them what they are, and they just sit there mute just like good little fraudulent, satanic minions that they are. Alright. It's Tuesday. That means I'll dart out of here real quick. And, I'll be back tomorrow though, and we'll see what happens. Maybe some of these big things will start dropping. We're looking for this week. Sure are interesting times to be living in. So, if any of you wanna talk about all that stuff that they've been talking about on the after show, you're gonna get your opportunity. Just hang around.
Okay. See you tomorrow. Thank you, Raj. Thank you, audience. Love you. Just keep just keep I know. Thank you, Sketch. Just keep, studying, Michael. Alright. We'll see you in Manana in La Manana. Ciao.
[02:01:22] Unknown:
It's tomorrow, Raj. Okay. Let the act let the after show begin.
[02:01:33] Unknown:
Let me chime in real quick. Everyone is here because they have different talents, and Julie definitely has a talent for for ferreting this crap out. You go, girl.
[02:01:54] Unknown:
Go for the gusto.
[02:01:56] Unknown:
No. I thank you very much. My talent is for all of you. You're all family for me. We've discussed this a lot. I'm just trying to get this has been bothering me for so long. I just and I kept telling you guys months ago that I have to find the figure this out and where it's going. But I have I think I have found what they're doing. And I knew everything was being hidden, but all that stuff for acceptance for value and turning your statements into bills of exchange are not gonna work. But I'm going to try and figure out what needs to be done. I have a lot I just uncovered this yesterday. So I was like, oh, my God. Two Treasury Departments, one down in Puerto Rico. And I wanted to figure out how this all fits in, but it is a fact that we have a straw man and our all caps name is our estate. And we are the beneficiary of that state and we do own those bonds because of how they created those bonds and what they did to them, total fraud. Now I'm trying to pull in the cases with this and stuff. I want to try to see if we can get our bonds back but the question is when they went to Basel III this is where I think they committed fraud on our bond.
It's possible that they co mingled them at the IMF. So I'm trying to figure out how to do this and how to get access to these and you're not gonna go to any court. And they've written so many policies to try to get it so get it so that we can't get access to these, but I still think there's a way to get access to these now that I know how the attorney general and the Federal Reserve notes and our QSIP and our Social Security number and this custodian, alien custodian account fits in. There has to be a way where we can tell them that we want our money back and revoke it. And I believe there's a way to actually revoke your birth certificate.
So I'm trying to figure that out as well.
[02:04:00] Unknown:
Mhmm. So, Julie, there was a there was a lady. She ran anticorruptionsociety.com. I forget her name. She was in with Ingrid Castle, and she had a show on RBN. She said the same thing you're saying, that we're double paying. The bills are already paid. We're double paying all those utility bills.
[02:04:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Even your bank account is not even a bank account because all those Federal Reserve notes that we're depositing in there anyway, they're just debt. There's no there's no there's no money or currency, and we are the slaves. And, but all those bonds belong to us. So and I have to figure out how they use I need to figure out what the surety what the assurty and the bid performance bonds were. I want to figure out how they work those and and how they use that but they use them of course with your Social Security number and your CUSIP number, and they're accessing those funds and there's a reason why it's down in Puerto Rico because the jurisdiction is totally different down there and it's very hard to get get in get a hold of anything down there. But I I think I can figure this out. There's there's there's laws against this. They wrote the code, the code of federal regulations, and there's case law that upholds these, codes. So this is not something that's fake or false. This is something that is ruined and and is the truth.
[02:05:29] Unknown:
Like they said, in the elevator in the film margin call, Julie, be careful.
[02:05:37] Unknown:
I don't care. I'm gonna I want to expose this front. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
[02:05:44] Unknown:
Well, I do understand. Let me tell you what happened to to that lady. I think she got, pancreatic cancer and died pretty quickly from it. But she had been active for quite a quite a long time before that, before she, she happened to pass away like that. So, anyway
[02:06:03] Unknown:
They're killing all of us anyway. I have all the evidence. I they're killing us anyway. I have all the evidence of all of the stuff that's in these fogs that they're spraying around the cities and all of the chemtrails, which now have, like, 10 or 15 additional things in it. So if I can figure out a way to expose this on on top of all the other things that people are exposing, hopefully, on Wednesday of this week, O'Keefe Media is going to be releasing the information that he went in hiding about. That's what it's saying. It's being released on Wednesday. So, I don't know. And he came out with a video yesterday that said there's no way that they can kill all of my staff.
So I don't know. Things are really heating up. I mean, we're I don't know if you guys know this, but in the banking documents that you have at your bank, the banks have the right to turn over all of your accounts to a central bank digital currency at the flip of a switch. And in my opinion, that's already been done.
[02:07:13] Unknown:
That could be the case. Paul, I haven't spoken to you for a while. This is Dave from New York.
[02:07:20] Unknown:
I've been, dealing with scammers. Let's just put it that way. But You've been dealing with scammers, and I've been dealing with scammers too, so that makes two of us. Congratulations. I have a I have a investment property in DC, and I'm being sued for damage to a 02/2009 car because apparently, my gate panel flew open and hit his car. Yet, when I I found out about this after the lawsuit was filed, when my tenant called me and told me that the gate panel fell off and its post was damaged, and I have a post that I had to repair and that the only materials were cement, new posts, and hinges to hang the gate panel back. I wanna know how I'm liable for the dent in his car that where he hit my post where he's claiming my tenant left the gate open. Lovely stuff I have to go.
[02:08:13] Unknown:
We've left the gate open in many ways.
[02:08:16] Unknown:
Pardon me?
[02:08:18] Unknown:
We have left the gate open in many ways. Anyway Exactly. That's just to talk about. I'm I'm wondering what's the most effective way to deal with a, a collection letter from a utility that sent it to, some agency. I've got I've got an example one. While I forget your email, I'll send it to you. I was looking for the email setting a long time ago.
[02:08:47] Unknown:
I gotta go through my spam item, and then I probably didn't get it. You have my phone number. You can see it, on your on here. If you go to participants, you can see me talking. That's my landline. You can call me.
[02:09:00] Unknown:
I I'm I'm saying I sent it to Paul. Paul I sent it to Paul. I sent it to Paul. He sent it to me. How long ago? That was a long time ago. Okay. I I like, mute in, well, wait a second. No. I, I don't I don't know. Remember, you sent me the fee schedule you have by email. At least two years ago. But now more than three accounts.
[02:09:30] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I get, like, 300 emails a day, and that's in one account. Yep. And I have six more that I really don't check. So it's probably buried. I have over 1,000,000 messages in my Yahoo inbox.
[02:10:00] Unknown:
No, Paul. I I was just wondering what your, what your email is that you use it. I could, I could it might be easier for me to send you this document than to talk about it on the air here. Okay. A proxy letter. I mean, I can talk about the collection letter right here. Okay. That this this was made by this lady who who did ran anticorruptionsociety.com in in, a document that she presented. Long dot legal document that she, gave for various purposes. But
[02:10:33] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:10:34] Unknown:
Anyway
[02:10:38] Unknown:
Yeah. My my email address is just my first and middle initial and [email protected]. P g b I e n e r at g mail dot com.
[02:10:50] Unknown:
P g b what?
[02:10:52] Unknown:
[email protected]. Okay. Most of the time, if you just put in PGB, if you've ever sent me anything, your, mail client will come up with the suggestion and try and auto complete the address.
[02:11:13] Unknown:
Yeah. The the problem is, I put in binder, and it didn't do thing, and and the p b didn't do anything. So e g Thank you. B
[02:11:23] Unknown:
I e n e r. Papa golf bravo India echo November echo Romeo. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Alright. Would you
[02:11:37] Unknown:
would you like me to read this, this letter that you wrote?
[02:11:41] Unknown:
Template? Not while we're streaming, I guess, because we are still Todd. On air. Okay.
[02:11:51] Unknown:
Oh. You're saying no or yes?
[02:11:55] Unknown:
It's a it's a letter from a collection agency?
[02:12:00] Unknown:
No. A a letter written as legal lawful notice. Oh, wait a second. This is this is your letter. No. No. I've got a different letter here. They're validation written by this other lady.
[02:12:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Send that to me.
[02:12:27] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. For for validity, how valid this is, I I think it's rather interesting because they're claiming it under an all caps name, so they're claiming it off an entity. And in that in her letter, basically, she's asking for for signed contracts with them and things like that.
[02:12:45] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[02:12:46] Unknown:
You know? But, and and the the account itself was transferred from one person to another to another. So there was never actually any any initiation agreement by anybody who's good now. Who's claiming claiming is their entity, whatever.
[02:13:06] Unknown:
I'll send it to you, Paul. Alright. Okay. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. And, guys, I am gonna have to take the stream down shortly, probably in the next seventeen minutes or so because I have, many things to do today, and they have to be done before close of business. So if you wanna talk about something, you better get on with it.
[02:13:35] Unknown:
Thank you, Paul.
[02:13:44] Unknown:
Well, Paul, I I just wanna send, effective, flawless letter, you know,
[02:13:51] Unknown:
that they'd come up with, in a short period of time. Dude, you're just like a robot all over the place. You had to turn your head or climb on top of the refrigerator or something. Oh, sorry. It's picking up. Alright. Yep. You're a robot and all over. Thank you, Bruce. You know, Dave, you're still on you're still on my shit list for for bailing on New York and leaving me to fight these liberal bastards on my own. Just saying.
[02:14:36] Unknown:
I'm still I'm still in New York. You're still in New York? Okay. Good.
[02:14:42] Unknown:
Alright. Well, we one of us one of us bailed and went to Florida. What's up with that?
[02:14:52] Unknown:
We didn't
[02:14:59] Unknown:
No. You're still you're still robotting up. Everything you're saying is coming out garbled.
[02:15:11] Unknown:
Oh, sorry.
[02:15:15] Unknown:
They could have been I'm sorry or outside. Weird. Uh-huh. And he left the meeting. Okay. Well, then I'm gonna seize the opportunity to take the stream down because, that's it for the Tuesday edition of the right of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com and Global Voice Radio Network. We're also on radiosoapbox.com and WVOU one hundred and six point nine FM Chicago for the first hour of the program. And, we're also on home network. Tv, freedom nation. Tv, go live TV, stream life.tube, global voice radio network. As I said before, our streams, are carried by Pod Home as well as the archives and the AI generated transcripts and, show notes.
For more information on the topics discussed, please go to the matrixstocks.com. You will find a download section where a couple of the publications that were mentioned during the program, can be found. Download them, read them, then read them again. Thank you so much for joining us. We will catch you right back here for the Wednesday edition of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Bye now. Have a great day. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[02:16:57] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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[00:01:39] Unknown:
As As would we, at least in a positive direction, it's changing with or without us. We're gonna try and assert our influence. Again, here today, maybe we might find a new student seeking for their freedom. Who knows? It does happen. It happens. So here we go. We're gonna start it all out two hours together here on Tuesday, May, May sixth. Hope you're not having to suffer through your Cinco de Mayo hangover where you had too many coronas and not enough limes. So here we go. Radio Ranch, Roger Sales. Good morning. We, as I neglected to do yesterday, shame on me, was to, give our fellow broadcasters their proper due and credit for helping us extend our reach. And I was so excited to get the week started yesterday. Hell, Paul, I just slipped right over me. I just had to jump in there and talk to John. I left you on the back burner. I felt guilty about it.
I'm not gonna make that same mistake today. So, Paul, would you please?
[00:02:44] Unknown:
It's alright. It's not that big a deal. We did we did get them covered during the show, and, the hiccups and and, confusion at the beginning of the show and some of the audio feeds not being turned on did have the unexpected benefit of completely isolating Slinky's voice from the broadcast stream or the archive for that matter. So so it's all good. It worked. Anyways, yes. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. That is our flagship station. We're on Global Voice Radio Network, that is continuing to grow at a rate of, between, 2535% per week in added listeners.
Oh, that's a good thing. We're on radiosoapbox.com. Thanks to our buddy, Paul across the drink. We're on Paula? One zero six point nine w b o u f m, Chicago, thanks to WDRN productions, the Net Family of Broadcast Services at Fort Collins, Colorado, who also brings us homenetwork.tv, freedom nation Tv, go live TV, and stream life Tube. Streamlife has, a couple of million listeners a month and across the whole platform and but we are really the anchor program on that network. So Is that right? Lot of those are coming here. Okay.
Our website is thematrixdocs.com, where you'll find a link to a free conference call so you can actually join us live on the show. We've got room for a thousand of you right now, and we have an additional 2,000 seats waiting in the wings for when the floodgates open. Ain't that fun?
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We're waiting. We're waiting for the floodgates to open. They may open one of these days. It's, it could be a challenge if they opened and a whole bunch of people flooded in here. Paul, we'll see. So, you know, listen. I left it, and I put this in God's hands. It's all up to him what's gonna happen here. It's just I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, which is constantly trying to simplify this and to reach out and find folks. We find some folks, and educate them up, and then they sit there for a few months while they most likely go through the, the realignment in their minds. And then they come around. Some of them do. Some of them don't. Hell, I don't know. All I know is I'm supposed to be here, and I've added an extra day, actually, six instead of five. And, I'm gonna be here. And if there's anybody that's got questions or confusion, I'm gonna do my very dead level best to help alleviate that Mhmm. And see if we can set you off on the right path, a path to freedom, and get enough of us walking that path.
And, well, our little, our little slaver buddies might have some problems. So if you're new, we've had a couple of new folks. Wasn't it Angelo last week? Wasn't that the young man's name in his twenties, I think?
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Yeah. It seems like so.
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Good kid from Florida. His mom thinks he's crazy, kind of like mine did. And, so I understand that, Angelo. You got William and his son, Savion, and Tony and some other folks. They're lurking around, I think. And, so it just takes a little time. It's one of the this project is one of the biggest conundrums because, you know, this this is what I used to do really when in professionally in the record business. I had a big territory there for the first four years I was in it, North Of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Eastern Tennessee. That's a pretty big territory. There's a lot of radio stations in there. Back in those days, some of those little stations were very influential. They've been obscured now by Newt Gingrich and his, broadcast deregulation.
And, now you can go out like Soros recently did and buy 400 stations. Used to be you could only own 12. That was the maximum. Right. Seven at first, twelve, revision, and then unlimited. Thank you, Newt. So, the but what I used to do, Paul, is I've taken I worked for Mercury, so I had pretty much crap records. You know? They but any decent artist had left that label. And, so I came on just as they were getting rid of Rod Stewart with the Maggie May and all that. By the way, Maggie Maggie May was a was a b side. I don't know if you knew that. Probably didn't know that or not. No. I did not know. You know you know what I'm talking about?
I have vibes.
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I have a history in radio, but not Okay. But not, not the back end, not the association with the labels and stuff like that. Okay. Well, b sides were remember, the first vehicle in the music business was forty fives. Right. Well, I know what a b side is,
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but I didn't know what Maggie that Maggie May was a b side. Well, that's what I'm trying to get across to you in the audience because there's several of them. Bridge Over Trouble Trouble Waters is another one that broke Simon and Garfunkel. My buddy did flip that one. But what happens is in the old days, they used to have 45, and albums were secondary. And then in the sixties, when music, they they kinda took it over with the Tavistock stuff and Woodstock and all that. And then they started going to the record companies, and they would take singles on 40 fives and put them on albums to sell albums because they made more money, k, quite frankly. But, anyway, those whole 45 you used to put on your spindle radio, record player there. And, the they'd put out, and they send all these records out to radio stations to play them. Well, if some of the jocks didn't like whatever one, they just flip it over on the other side. Boom. That's what we're talking about, a b side here. So, Maggie May was a b side or or or or the other side. Well, boy, that'd be a good trivia question. What was the other side of Maggie Mae on the a side?
I bet you don't know that one. Don't know that one. Re Reason to Believe. This is an album a song called Reason to Believe in the the ten years at Mercury because that's about all they are, ten years up there, and they thought that that was gonna be the hit and, of course, put Maggie May on the b side. So, anyway, b side. That was that, old record business stuff. What I was trying to get at was in those days, there were a lot of locally owned radio stations in those small towns all through the the, Southeast. And we had these things called, reports where people would try for the whole radio record industry.
They would, try to get the information in as to what records all these stations were playing, what ones were having good response from the audience or local sales or whatever the the the barometer was. And they try and get that information to these tip sheets, they were called. And then they would go to press, work late over the week. At the end of the week, work very hard and compile all those, piece of information and put it in a publication then send it back out to the radio stations who subscribed. So there was a whole genre of, stations and people and records that were happening or whatever, and there was a bunch of stations that were owned by different people. So you had different input, different ways of dealing with them. They had different ways of looking at their audience and dealing with people like me.
And, so that's what I do is I and Mercury had pretty much crap records. So, I mean, we had occasionally, we'd get something decent, but most of his time, oh, it was we had a band called the Skyhooks out of Australia. You know, I mean, what kind of an A and R guy signed something like that? And the reason I ended up leaving Mercury Records, really, was because of a little band, called Dire Straits and a little song called Sultans of Swing. Mhmm. And, the, we were owned by a conglomerate, Phonogram, out of, England, bought Mercury and brought it into the fold there. And so any of the records that they had on Phonogram in England, we got first shot at in The US.
Those dumbasses passed on sultans of swing.
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Wow.
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How does anybody in the music industry miss Sultans of Swing as a hit record? This is just beyond me. K? And that and there was another one. I forgot what the man was, and they passed on them too. And I said, I'm headed for greener pastures. I'll find somebody that's got some ears in this business. And, so, anyway, my sense of, because that's what I used to do for so many years was I placed these obscure bands and obscure records on in small stations and markets that play them because they were new. Nobody heard of them. And, some of these smaller markets give you a shot. You know? And, over that time and the time you're working the record, you get a sixth sense for whether that thing's a hit or not, whether it's gonna go. And the smaller stations play it, and it's successful. And the medium places, Stations start playing it, and it's successful. And then you start going to the larger stations. And when they play it, and then it takes off all over the world, you gotta hit record. Okay? Mhmm. So, I've got a sixth sense of that of success, and I had just always thought that's kind of what we're doing here in a sense.
And I had thought, as I've said numerous times here, that when, when we got on Joyce, especially that first time, that, this thing could take off like, you know, crap through a goose. And, boy, it not only did it not we did get a little traction, but not only did it not, which still slow all these years later. And, so over the time, I've tried to analyze it. And, I understand what's going on, I think, for the most part. And, you just gotta roll with the flow. So at that point, instead of me beating my head against the wall and getting frustrated and enraged and, you know, thinking it was me that was missing the connective part, I just turned it over to the big guy. Said, look. I'm gonna go ahead and do what I'm doing because I know how important this is, I think.
And I'm gonna try and get it in a situation where I can simplify it for the masses because back then, I couldn't do that and make it easy to understand and, therefore, their decision a little bit easier. Man, if you don't wanna do it, that's fine. We're not gonna beat you up or, you know, slander you or anything. But your freedom, your spirituality, all those things are your choice because as I say so often on here, everything's gotta be voluntary, doesn't it? Yes. Yeah. It has to be or it's by or it's tyranny. There's just no other choices. Okay? So if you wanna do it, fine. We're here. We believe in this project. We believe and know what what its impact is even though they won't totally show us. We know we're doing God's work. This is the big g, God's work of freeing his people.
And, we're here to do it, and we hope you're here to benefit from it.
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Well, I think a little soliloquy here at the start. There we go. I think what the problem is with most people in this information is they have spent their entire lives being disempowered, being enslaved, being abused, and, stepped on just in in every area of their life. From a very early age, they've been told that, you know, they're just one person. What can one person do? This, that, and the other thing. And they have to get over the disempowerment first to actually embrace the fact that it's their choice, that they're in control.
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Oh. And, Paul, that's hard for some people to do.
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Oh,
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very exciting. You know, we had a recent example, but I'm not picking on you. I'm not picking on you, Michael. We had a recent example, Michael. He's been lurking. He and his wife, they're farmers up in Minnesota. And, he called in at the end of the show, I think, a couple of days ago and just said, can you please help me? Because I can't sleep at night over this IRS stuff. And, man, I understand that. I'm not dissing Michael. Please don't think I'm picking on you. I'm not. I'm using you as an example, though, on how effective this programming that Paul just went over and described how effective it is with some people. And as I told Michael, I I I don't have any magic pill for that.
The the only thing I can do is to try and show you and convince you logically that you do have the power. They've stolen it from you. We found out their trick. You're taking it back, and they're just not gonna come ding you. If they were gonna start doing that, they'd have done it starting fourteen years ago because they've known about this information from the very first time it was ever on the radio, by a little snitch, a little snitch from the sodomy pedophile larceny center down there in Montgomery, Alabama. A little piece of shit, a Jew in name only, named Russell Estes. I'll put you I'll give you a little press, Estes. Okay? You Jew bastard.
And, Russell Estes used to be the monitor for RBN, Tom. Now Tom. Dee's RBN. Used to be the monitor monitoring the station, and he picked up those broadcasts I was doing with Bennett and started raising. Well, he tried to raise some hell there at the network by calling into other shows. And that stuff Roger Sales is teaching is gonna get a lot of people in trouble. And so there was another, John and Glenn student, some of you old old, might, remember a guy named Tommy from Brooklyn. Did you ever hear him call in to a show, Paul? Tommy from Brooklyn? No. I think he was before my time. Well, he was an interesting fella. This back in the nineties and, rebellious and stuff. He'd gotten hooked into John and Glenn. He and, he, would he he and I kept in contact with each other. And he he called me, said, man, I was listening to this guy on RBN the other day, and some joker called Russ from Minnesota calls in there and starts running you up one side and down the other.
And I called in right after that and said, listen. Roger knows what he's talking about. I was in the same I had the same teachers Roger does. So, anyway, then I got alerted that not only were they hassling the Ben and Nim, they are hassling some of the other, hosts. And then I got on in a morning show over there. It was a gal and a guy. They weren't married. They just had a show together. They were both from Atlanta. We got along quite well. And then he started hassling them, you know, sending them letters. That's stuff Roger Sales teaching. So, so, finally, I came back, and I think I've told the story before. One of my better students in the old days is Rick Scruggs.
He lives down on the coast of, down the coast of Georgia around Saint Simons. Some of our listeners know him. Dropped by his house. Licked him up and dropped by his house. And Rick's just a just a good old Georgia boy, about as good as you get. And so I'm talking to him one night, and, we were on a conference call with somebody else who's on there with us. I don't remember who. Anyway, Rick, I was telling them this story. It's right after that happened a number of years ago. And and Rick goes, well, you know, Roger, I stopped in a well, he had all these lawsuits going all the time. When at one point, he had 13 lawsuits going that he was the plaintiff in. K?
Well, you wanna talk about getting your life turned upside down. Okay? One of them was certiorated to the Supreme Court. One of them was the tax court. And he had, like, 10 or 12 ticket things.
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Oh, no.
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It'll make your life miserable. So Rick says, I was in a a cop station the other day, and I saw because they Southern Poverty Law Center or the Sodomy Pedophile Larceny Centers, I prefer to call them, much more accurate. They are the ones that like to infiltrate police stations, you know, send them to Israel and for training and all that fun stuff. Well, he says, I was in a cop station the other day, and I saw that magazine. I picked it up. I said, well, do you still have any? He said, well, I think so. I said, well, go get it if you would. So he goes off and comes back with it, and he opens the first page and there's a whole list of contributing people there. And it says, well, the first one is Russell Estes. He's a contributing editor. I said, well, are there any other Russells down that list? No.
Well, I guess that's probably gotta be him then, doesn't it? And so I got on the air, started calling him out with his full name and, funniest thing, all the harassment stopped.
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What do you know?
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So they've known about this for a long time, Michael, and they've had many years to go out and exert themselves. Now you also have to logically look at this and figure out and know how these guys operate. That's part of the beauty of learning this information is you learn their MO, their moda operandi. And so if there's something that's real damaging to them and, like, one person or or a small group has it, they're gonna squash that at that time as best they can as quickly as possible before it grows, gets out, and starts all kind of other fires with all kind of other people. They don't wait around for that. They go and hit it right then just like they did with John and Glenn. Six months in, this is thirty something years ago, folks. Six months into teaching, less than six months, the IRS came and raided John and Glenn. They let Phil Marsh go for five years.
Another tax guy at the time let him on ABC one night with Stone Phillips or Geraldo, what's his name, Jew boy or whatever for all our talking about untaxing people. So they'll let those people go because in the end, they want you to gather a bunch of dissenters, and then they get you all in one big net. But, boy, if it's real damaging to them, they're not gonna let it get to that point. They're gonna squash it right off. So and and we haven't been anybody been squashed? Anybody in the audience been squashed? I mean, please, don't don't bring any traffic crap. You caused most of that. Anybody been squashed by the federal government or had any problems?
Please, star six, come forward. Tell us your sob story. We wanna hear it. Hello? Hello? On victims. We're looking for victims. We're waiting. While while we're waiting, for people to speak.
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While, while we're waiting for people to speak,
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I do a different smell.
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Hang on. Somebody's garbling. There's a garble. You're gargling. You're gargling. You're gonna have to hang up and call back. Was it was it Listerine or another? Well, let's just check with him and make sure. Now do you have a have you been a a a a have you been abused by the federal government over this?
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Hello? I probably hung up. I was working and calling back.
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Now Man, this is gargling. Roger? Is weird. Yeah. There, boy. They're not gargling anymore. Yes, sir.
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Yeah. Michael here.
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Hey, Michael. I'm not picking on you. I really don't Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. Okay. I'm using you as an example. It's okay.
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I know. How do we prevent nationals from getting locked into the soup bowl of the sovereign citizens from years ago. All those court cases from early two thousands and the late nineties because they're using those court cases. No. No. What Oh, that's a that's a sovereign Well, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to educate me a little. What court cases have been adjudicated
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on the sovereign citizen?
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Because I don't know of any. Oh, I'm not I'm not skilled enough to tell you the court. Are you
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There well, Michael, there are none. That's my point. That's a the Southern Poverty Law Center, that's another thing they dreamed up to try and, I believe, counter this. So there is how do you counter? You say that's an oxymoron. There's no such thing. I'm a national. That's when you come and tell them again. It's your voice. It's your decision. This is what I am. I'm not gonna let you be a tyrant and tell me I'm something that doesn't even, for God's sakes, doesn't even exist.
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You know, I'm not skilled enough to look up these court cases and read them through them, and I'm not like you. I you can read through them and know exactly what what all that is. I I don't. I'm not skilled enough. But the little bit of reading that I have done
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Uh-huh.
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You know, you you can call me naive. I am naive. A little bit of reading that I've done That's okay. It it to me, it shows that all these sovereign citizens that tried to declare themselves private individuals, they use affidavits of evidence of facts and
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Uh-huh.
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It All kinds. It show the court case, all kinds of stuff, and it's telling and and then the court says that you can't
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We're not we're Michael, we're we're we're not claiming to be sovereign citizens. Those people might be because they don't know any better. We're claiming to be nationals, which is in The United States code. Can you find me sovereign citizen in The United States code or any court decision or any regulation? No. No. You can't. I'm a tell you about that. You can't because it's not there.
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I'm just
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Oh, you're you're Michael, you're It's all. You're all garbly again. I'm sorry. Can you please
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you don't have to call back in because you're just I'm gonna turn your can you turn your head or conversation with I'm on top of the refrigerator or something. Me now?
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Yes is better. Better.
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Michael, I've never Yeah. I'm I'm actually in the track. I'm in the You're Yeah. I'm in the tractor planting soybeans.
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Oh, okay. Well, you're the one that's putting yourself into this trick bag by even bringing this up. I've never taught you you were a sovereign citizen. I've taught you you were a national. Where to find it in the statutes and the code and old legislation like the Nationality Act of 1940. Yes. That's what you are. That's what they say you are. I know I am. Say I am. So why are you even worrying about all that other stuff all you got? Why do I worry about it? Because I I
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I I try and do a little googling, and they just put they put me right in that sovereign citizen movement.
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Right? Well, the first thing, Michael, first thing you're doing wrong is using Google as a search engine. How about that? Yeah. K. Okay. Start using a decent search engine that didn't skew it against you, and you'll probably find different information. But there is no such thing as a sovereign citizen. There's a capital c citizen of The United States Of America Hidden well, Michael, you're your own worst enemy, man. You're your own worst enemy than what I can tell. Go ahead.
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I don't interrupt often, but, Michael, you can go to chat g p t. There is a very special one. It's called Factron tools. It is called a search spider. It will search all sources rather than a single source or give you just listings. It'll actually sort that through, get rid of duplicates and stuff like that. So if you're doing a serious research in that, you may wanna try that tool. It's called Factron Tools, f a c t r o n t o o l.
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Bactron tool. I'm sorry. Michael's out planting in the field there, Andy. But look. Michael, I don't mind your question. So I I I just understand what's going on with your mind. They got you scared to death.
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Can I can I comment?
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Yeah. Go ahead.
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I see exactly where Michael is coming from because the powers that be and their lower level foot soldiers, the useful idiots, I mean, they have published the anti government movement guidebook, which is the go to guidebook for judges, district attorneys, and police, and it explains all about all of the different sovereign type movements that have ever occurred. We know that sovereign citizen is an oxymoron. We know it doesn't exist. However, the police magazines and periodicals, even videos on YouTube, are now claiming that the term national is synonymous with sovereign citizen, and that is the information that the bastards behind the badges are getting.
So we know that they're full of crap. We know what we are and what we're not, but they don't. And they're gonna proceed on presumption that you're a scofflaw and that you have absolutely no basis in fact or law behind you, and they are gonna try and put you down. The only thing we can do is educate them to the fact that, no. You're mistaken. Sovereign citizen is an oxymoron, and the term national is a political status that is recognized by the United States government.
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Yeah. I mean, you go and they try and pull that on you. You say, okay, sir. I don't know if I'd wanna call him your honor. Sir, I can show you several places where the national status is. Well, you say it's synonymous. Where are the other places where sovereign citizens stated? Court cases, codes, or regulations, please, sir? Well, they they're not. They're saying it's synonymous to try and fool you. They're scared to death of this, Michael. Have you got the grasp on that yet? They're scared to death of this.
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And another thing that they've got going for them is sensationalistic YouTube videos with cops violating the rights of individuals, whipping all of the, useful idiot, citizens into a frenzy going, well, they should have put them down harder. What? What? You wanna be a sovereign citizen? Well, you might as well buy stock in a window
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company or a glass company because the cops are gonna keep busting your windows out. If anybody ever brings that term up, I'd say the same thing every time. Can you please show me that term in a statute, a court case, or a regulation? They can't do it. It's not there even though they wanna impose that on you. Again, this comes back to judge Learned Hand, one of the better judges in the history of our country. He was they never let him get above the appellate level, unfortunately, because he was so good. And Judge Learned Hand said, I'm paraphrasing, to to defend one's rights, one must be a belligerent claimant. And when those people come at you with that crap, you gotta that's why this all goes back to understand and having to control the information.
You can't be a blizzard claimant of any degree if you don't have control of the information. You're gonna sit there and stutter. You're gonna stammer. You're not gonna have answer answers. Your knees are gonna knock. He's gonna know you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and they're gonna roll right over you.
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Well Jerkrieg an extensive search, and I searched exactly that. There is no mention of sovereign citizen as any part of recognized law or legislative element in any uploaded materials, nor, it has appeared to be in files nor any linkage to any statutory framework, judicial ruling, or procedural
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logic in system documents or law. It's another one of their little illusionary gotchas. You know? It's a it's a dogma. It
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it distracts it gives you a false argument that you have to defend yourself to in order to distract the real argument that you can pose.
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Right. Yeah. Well, so fact remains It always comes back to getting control of the information, and the questions you're asking are just tell me that you don't you haven't achieved that yet, not that yet. That's not bad. That's I mean, they, we're not judging you. Everybody takes a different speed. Everybody comes from the slightly different place. Pardon me. And we're here to help you if you wanna move forward. I'd love to quell your fears and get that out of your life because, man, living a life of fear is no fun. Okay? Right.
And there's no reason to do it except what they've conditioned you to because they they don't have the power. They don't have any power that you didn't give them. Take it away.
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I have one more comment real quick. Yes. We are at war. I'm here. We're not we're not at war with with bullets and bayonets. We're in an information war, and we're in a propaganda war. And the only way that you can win a propaganda war is by is rebutting the presumption that the propaganda is trying to put out. And the only way you can win an information war is to be informed. You gotta know your stuff, and you will be able to put down any charge or allegation against you and rebut any presumption they pull out of their sphincter muscle.
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And that's all I got. Should you do that? Should you do that down the road, Michael, you'll you'll look back and laugh at these times that you went through after you've gotten to the other side. Unfortunately, just because the word free is in the word freedom, it ain't free. It's just not free. Yeah. You y'all are just fortunate that I don't I don't wanna charge you for it. You know? Quite frankly, I don't want your currency. I I want you to have it. I want you to be happy. I'd love for all you to be free and and all that stuff. It's those are your mandates, not mine. I can help you as best I can, but I can't do it for you.
Again, it's individual, and everybody's gotta deal with it themselves on their own particular circumstances and situations. So all I can say is to encourage you to keep studying and listening, Michael, and maybe go back and put the time in to learn some of these basics. Again, you're looking at this whole thing in its totality, I think, and being very intimidated and confused, and it is complex. I mean, you're being exposed to stuff that, you know, they don't teach you how to be a farmer school, you know, about, Babylonian merchant code and self help remedies and all this stuff.
They don't even teach it in law schools. Much less farm school. Roger Bruce? Yeah, Bruce. Go ahead, man.
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Well, I got in an accident,
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Saturday. Last Saturday.
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Yeah. And the guy behind me You're hurt? No. Oh, no. No. I'm still alive. Alright. I'm I'm made out of steel, man.
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Well, you said hurt. You might had a a boo boo on your elbow or something. You know? I'm just asking to be polite here. No.
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I'm not a pushover. Anyway, so, we were stopped. We were getting ready to go on to the interstate and, light turned green, and the other people that were on the other side had to go first before we could get on the interstate down the ramp. And so, there was five cars waiting for others to go by, and then we could go home. In the meantime, about the fourth person on the ramp, and all of a sudden, I get rear ended by an old Jeep. And he then I got a a van, and it just crushed in the whole back, you know, door, busted out the windows. Nobody got hurt.
And the guy that was driving that, Jeep, had not driven that Jeep before, and I believe his foot slipped slipped off of the brake pedal. Oh, the clutch. And, well, whatever. Anyway, so, you know, and I bumped into the guy, but in front of me, he had a tailgate a a tail ball, you know, a hauling stuff. Well, that went through my front bumper. So
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all these other people He hit you he hit you pretty he hit you pretty hard, it sounds like.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Right. But, anyway, the the whole point was he gets out to see if he's got any damage on his vehicle, his truck. Yeah. Well, he didn't. He took off. Of course not. I mean, his wife was Oh, come on. Come on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know? So we're out there standing around, you know, waiting on the place to get in here and stuff like that. You know? And so, everything was fine. Nobody got hurt. Thank god. Except the guy driving the the Jeep, and he would had steering wheel had hit his rib. And he was walking around like he was in desperate pain. The guy in the Jeep took off.
No. No. No. That's the truck in front of me. Oh. Okay. So, anyway, we're standing around. We're talking just that. The other. And, the the cop finally got there. And she was doing all of the stuff trying to figure out what's going on, you know, and everything. And I had taken pictures of my van already, and, she started asking questions. They finally picked the guy up that had his ribs hurt, and he was gone. And just me and this other guy, those are they're talking, and, everything's fine. You know? No big deal. So the police comes up there and start, you know, getting the getting the, lingo of what went on. You know? We were okay. Everything was fine. You know?
Back door just busted in. So, anyway, so we got through with that, and she started writing up tickets. And so, she said, can I see your driver's license? I said, I don't have one. I got an ID. She said, you don't have a driver's license? I said, no, ma'am. I I haven't had a driver's license since I've been in national. And she just looked at me like, oh, boy. We got one of y'all, basically, is what she looked at. I didn't go any further with with that. So I gave her my ID. She took it all down, and she said, what do you have? What's this on the back of your your van? I said, oh, that's my tag. I came from, South Carolina. It's it's an old tag, and I just used it.
I don't need a tag on the car. She looked at me like, okay. So she wrote out, you know, the the documents to me and gave it to me. And she went back to the act guy, and he said, well, I've already give given him my insurance policy information, and she wanted to see that. And she wrote him up. Anyway, everything was she had already gone and everything, you know, and I have a court case the twentieth of this month. So I get the the tickets that she gave me, and I write over them. Thank you for your offer to contract. I'm returning them in three working days, and now they are void.
And but and I made copies of it and and sent sent it to her by, you know, certificate, you know, of of the certified mail. And she should be getting that thing today. So anyway, I'm just saying you can't be afraid of everything if you're doing this. You gotta know what you're doing and you gotta use it. And that's what I'm doing.
[00:40:49] Unknown:
Yeah. And, well, you know, do you serve the one you fear? I'm sorry. I gotta bring that out again. It's so accurate. They control everybody through fear. And somehow, however, you've got to do that in your own individual circumstances should you wanna move forward. If you don't wanna move forward, go back in your pink cloud. K? It's alright with me. But if you wanna move forward, you gotta get your hands around that.
[00:41:13] Unknown:
Well, Roger, I wanna do that. Be calm
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and and belligerent and defend your position. K? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's the way it is, but that's the way they've got it designed. We figured out a way out of it, but you've got to stand on your own two feet. What, Bruce?
[00:41:33] Unknown:
What I'm doing, I started my administrative process Yeah. With this first
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gift gift and gift What she what she charged with? No insurance? No, driver's license? What? Tag. No tag?
[00:41:49] Unknown:
Yep. And no and no insurance.
[00:41:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, we'll see how that works out. Good luck with it, Bruce, and, that's a good way to handle it.
[00:41:59] Unknown:
Yeah. And,
[00:42:00] Unknown:
but there's I I just don't know of any other answer than to get command of the information to overcome what apprehensions you may have. I'm sorry. They're they've been very effective at this this little scam of theirs. It's just like I said, we don't know these guys at all. Most people have no idea who these guys are, how they think, what their MO is, or any of that. But let me tell you, and I promise you, they know how we think. And they predicted in the 1850s that they get this to this point, and they can ask you those two questions. And they'd know exactly how you'd answer because the the answer was written into the original fourteenth amendment and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
What makes you subject? Maybe answering the questions directly that you are and signing something? Yeah. Yeah. I think that may be it. They knew that a hundred a hundred years out of time. That's how well they know us. We don't know them at all. In fact, we don't even know ourselves. That's the formula for a loss from Sun Tzu. If you don't know your enemy and you don't know yourself, you got no chance of winning any battle. And that's exactly where they got us. So we try and overcome that. It's overcomeable. If you're of a mind and a means to do that, we'd love to help you. And, Michael, I hope you keep chipping away at it, man.
Come back with your questions. We'll address them all. But, you know, I can show you in a number of different places even though it's got different labels, what a national is. You go over to title 42. The I'm sure this is there. Linda said she couldn't find it. Pretty sure it's there. Title 42 section nineteen eighty three nineteen eighty six. Two sections right there in the United States code. That's civil rights code. All the rights, privileges, and immunities of the citizens of The United States are the same as the white citizens. Well, that that's in two sections of the code and the civil rights code, the white citizens, the old whitey and Jim Crow.
Okay. Well, that's the national. I can go down to the regulations and the tax code, 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a had a nonresident alien. Well, that's same thing, national, just a different label. You go over in title eight. There's a place in there. It says a national is someone born in American Samoa, Swains Island, or the outlying territories. Well, there that that's the states, outlying territories. There's the national right there. So I there's three places right there I just showed you where it's at the exact same thing with a different label. Well, this is your enemy. This is how they work. This is why you don't know anything. And our patriot community has dumb stuff that they come up with. It's because they don't understand this little simple thing I just showed you on how these people work, their modal operandi, the way their minds work, what they do to fool and trick the dumb Goyam. And we fall for it just about every time, best I can tell over all these years.
Well, don't stop falling for it. See, again, back to you, not Michael you, but you individually. What you are is your decision, not theirs. That's why they have to come up with these things like sovereign citizen, a totally nonexistent term, and try and apply it to you so that they can stop this from growing because it's growing. And they try and put a straw man out there like sovereign citizen that dumb people, like the late David Strait, bid on, put in his 31 page affidavit, the term sovereign citizen. We know that because we had a couple out in California that had a child prost custody problem with CPS.
Somebody told him about David Strait. They went and paid him $400, got his magic 31 page opus, took it back to CPS. The CPS guy's reading through it and paging through it. He go, oh, you're a sovereign citizen, are you? Yeah. David Strait. So you I'm sorry. It's complex. They've set it up to be that way. If you wanna learn it and understand it and be free, you're just gonna have to learn with it however you have to do it. It's not my I've done it. I've done it in my life. I've spent years studying this about almost half of my adult lifetime, and, know it pretty well. Okay?
And I've been very happy as a free man. If you don't want to be a slave to Sabbatean, Frankish, Zionist, fake Jews, you want to learn this. If you like being enslaved by them, well, just go ahead. Just go ahead. Roger. It's your decision, not mine. I'll help you, but I can't do it for you. Yes, sir.
[00:47:16] Unknown:
Yeah. You were if I could bring up somebody yesterday, you guys were talking about traffic?
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Unfortunately, it came up, I think.
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Uh-oh. Well, then I won't say it if you don't want. No. No. Go ahead. No. Go ahead.
[00:47:30] Unknown:
I'm I get aggravated with it because you can't get anything consistent out of them. I can get something consistent with the federal government. We win every time on this traffic crap. It's fiefdom to fiefdom, person to person. Old boss Hogg and the judge Roy being the hanging judge. They love to see you coming.
[00:47:52] Unknown:
Well, it it ended well. You were talking about notices and all that stuff, and I got my third stop was in the middle of the state in a county and a city I didn't put on notice. Yeah. And I walked from it, and that just told me that the SOS isn't gonna do anything anywhere. So it didn't come from there. The attorney general, it probably didn't come from him because that stuff goes upstream to him, not down from him. So the reason I think that happened is when I noticed the state highway patrol and all the podunks call in because they can't afford the subscription to the PATH system, and they found out through the database of the State Highway Patrol.
And that's how all these smaller counties and little birds get their information is through that database. And that's how I got off got free on being pulled over for lights in the middle of a place I didn't put on notice. I just wanted everybody to be aware of that. I'm done, sir.
[00:49:00] Unknown:
Cool. Thank you very much. Congratulations on that. Unscathed, it sounds like. And, yes, some of them it's just boy, on this traffic stuff, it's just flat venue to venue on who you're dealing with, what they are, how they think, and, there's no consistency there. That's why it frustrates me so much. So my advice to everybody is drive really careful. Make sure all your little lighty poos are on and your little taillight tag lights are on and, working and all that stuff, and then drive under the speed limit. That's the best suggestion I can give you. K? Then you'll avoid almost all of it. Question. Yes, Paul. Yep. And make sure you got a copy of your card and your declaration with you just in case. Yep. Couldn't hurt. Gave it laminated. Have some with you, a little folder with you in your glove box or whatever, Paul.
[00:49:52] Unknown:
Question. How long have you been out of country?
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Me?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, I guess since two since February, however long that's been. I mean, excuse me, July.
[00:50:09] Unknown:
Okay. So, you're going on twenty years out of country.
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About sixteen, seventeen, something like that. I guess you could say going on twenty. I'll buy that. Okay.
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Well, there's there's been a couple of, turning points in how law enforcement deals with people.
[00:50:31] Unknown:
I'm sure of that. Yeah. I hear about it on you know, I'm plugged in the whole time. I may live down here, but I'm plugged into events up there.
[00:50:40] Unknown:
Alright. Well, one of those turning points was in the fifties, and then another one of those turning points was about twenty years later that was in the seventies. And and it seems that every twenty years, these guys turn the screws tighter. And what we've got now is we've got a whole lot of sub 100 IQ flat foots hiding behind a 10 badge and carrying a taser that Yeah. Sure. I know all that. That are responsible for funding the state that employs them.
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Okay.
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And you don't have to go over the speed limit. You don't have to all you've gotta do is have something going on with you or your car, innocent as can be, absolutely legal. But if a cop has a penis erectus for you, he will pull you over. And if you have anything out of the ordinary, if you're a national, if you don't have a driver's license, if you don't have a registration, if you don't have insurance, which which is highly stupid because you should, as a ethical and responsible individual, carry financial accountability coverage on anything you do in the unlikely event that you do harm another person.
You should have insurance.
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Okay.
[00:52:05] Unknown:
But Or DWB. Yeah. Or or you could be DWB.
[00:52:11] Unknown:
Yep. That's right.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
It doesn't matter to these guys anymore. If they're bored or pissed off because they didn't get any of that That's right. The night before or the morning before work, they will come after you.
[00:52:27] Unknown:
Well, that's very possible, but it's only gonna be a very small percentage. It's not gonna be the usual fare. Okay? And that may happen, but chances are if you're doing everything right and you're making sure everything on your car is right on some sort of regular basis, you're probably not going to come into that. If you are, be real nice. Do whatever the guy wants. You don't wanna try and try this on the side of the road with the sub I 100 IQ, man of the law or a truck our truck backing up like one is now into our forum here. Okay. Well, I'll shut up. I'll respect you. Who's backing up? Truck.
She's backing up.
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Alright. Well, I think it I think a conservative estimate would be about 50%. Fifty % of actual infractions as opposed to 50% of just manufactured
[00:53:28] Unknown:
exchanges. Yeah. I don't I don't think it's any way that I And it varies by jurisdiction. Off. I'm sure that it does that.
[00:53:36] Unknown:
Sorry. That was me. Because I was just They were in Georgia. In Idaho. I was just gonna say that we can, you know, we can turn about as fair play. They're the sovereign citizen. They're the fed trying to bring their territorial jurisdiction of Washington DC into the states. You know? So Yeah. And the nationality definitely protects us. So, yeah, take the take the positive, take the high road, take the what Christ has given you in your heart, and don't be afraid of these efforts. You know? Yeah. So I yield. Yeah.
[00:54:06] Unknown:
That beep beeping reminded me. Most of y'all probably don't know about Bortz. I wouldn't think. Neil Bortz, I don't even know if he's still alive or not. He used to be a big talk show host in Atlanta for years. They syndicated him. So he was around the country. But Borja was making a bunch of money when they did that. And him and his wife were buying real estate down in the Naples, Florida area. And he was down there, Paul, in a Walmart, I think. And, the lady, big big heavyset lady, and her phone has that that's her ringtone.
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Yeah.
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And so her phone goes off and Ward says in a loud voice, look out. She's backing up. Uh-huh. Yeah. And got, got a very, f u look from the lady, I guess.
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Hey. Fat shamer you.
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And the horse you rode in on. Okay. Where else can we go today? Michael, we're, you know, we'll help you, buddy. We'll all extend our hands. I think you can see that from joining in the conversation here. We'd like for you to succeed, but, you know, it's your choice. And if you need help, we're here to help you. Otherwise, the only way that I know maybe does anybody else have a suggestion for Michael? The only thing I know for for people to do to overcome this is to replace the fear with positive education and knowledge, and it displaces the other, at least in my experience. So anybody else got any suggestions for Michael?
Now know that we're gonna have to, say goodbye to our other stations here in a second. But does anybody have any suggestions for Michael?
[00:55:52] Unknown:
Sir, I could share something.
[00:55:54] Unknown:
Alright. Please do. And then we'll get to the the Michigan.
[00:55:59] Unknown:
Hello, Kyle? I called in last week. Yeah. Yeah. I was just Hey, Kyle. Like, I I didn't call in for so long because I'm just, like, listening. I'm like, I've been so conditioned. I'm just wondering if this is even real, if Roger Sales is even a real person, if any of this is real. And I can pinch myself. Looking into the information, it proves itself. Once you really understand it, the information is there, and it's just no denying it.
[00:56:28] Unknown:
That's why I encourage all of you to go look at these sources. I give you the sources of everything and tell you to go make this information yours. When I'm selling you this on the radio not selling, telling you this on the radio. Okay. It's a guy on the radio telling me this stuff. But when you go look at it and take the time out of your schedule to go somewhere and look that up and see it yourself, now it's yours. It's not mine on the radio anymore. That's yours. Okay. Hold on just a second, Bruce. So, that's why I always encourage people to go back and look at these sources. It's just building your own foundation.
Okay? That's the way you overcome this stuff. Believe me, when you get over the line in the other space, these people are scared to death of you. K? I you may have that find that hard to believe, but I promise you, it is. K? Why do you think Jerry up there with the passport thing would get a call from somebody at the passport office with that whole bluff thing that they put him through? Oh, we can't accept this. No. Your wife's a citizen of The United States. We're gonna return your package. Okay. Check too, please. And, then they go on vacation. They come back, and they let it process, and the passports were in the mailbox. I'm telling you, these people are paper tigers.
You may have a hard time believing that. We've proved it numerous times. They're paper tigers. The only thing they've got is this illusion. And once it's broken, they got nothing except a bunch of except a bunch of charges potentially to get thrown at them. Every damn law in the history of the planet, they've broken.
[00:58:18] Unknown:
I mean, come on. We've got about forty five seconds to the whistler. I I have a couple of,
[00:58:24] Unknown:
suggestions. Well, I'm a let Paul take it. Go ahead, sir.
[00:58:28] Unknown:
Michael, if you have not read the citizenship handbook for nationals multiple times cover to cover, do so. If you have not, read the sovereign, or the anti government movement guidebook numerous times cover to cover, do so. The, citizenship handbook for nationals gives you all the information that you need to know, and the anti government movement guidebook tells you what kind of shenanigans they are gonna try to do to rebut your position, your political status. And if you are armed with those two pieces of information, you will go far, and they won't mess with you. One zero six point nine WVOU FM Chicago and radiosoapbox.com.
Thank you so much for joining us for the first hour of this program. Please go to the matrixdocs.com. Down in the download section, you too can find the anti government movement guidebook and the citizenship handbook for nationals and a bunch more, including a trifold brochure. You could print that baby out, print on both sides, hold it three ways, and, oh, hell, keep me in your glove box. Whatever. Follow us into the second hour by going to Eurofolk Radio or Global Voice Radio Network. Thank you.
[00:59:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that maybe people will look at may need to look at the, high dialectical of this of, okay. I'll give it. You got all this power. How'd you get it? Right. How'd you get all this power here that you're exercises, you big big swinging dongs all over the world. How'd you get all this power? They stole it. You're not gonna get it's gonna be like dropping a rock down a well.
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They stole it. They stole it by presumption and by fear through fear and intimidation.
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It's just phenomenal what these people pulled off here, and it's so simple. Bruce, you were trying to say something a minute ago. We got hung up on all that. Say your piece, baby. Say it.
[01:00:46] Unknown:
Alright. This is what's what's going on with me. I sent it in in three days. I'm refusing to offer a contract. Okay.
[01:00:56] Unknown:
I sent it in yesterday. On your are you back on your traffic case again?
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Yeah.
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Okay. Just so we know. Go ahead.
[01:01:05] Unknown:
Okay. I'm sorry. Anyway, so I sent it in yesterday. It got in the mail with the return receipt that has been served. And, I also put in my affidavit to the Secretary of State of United States on being a national. I didn't mention that in any document on the at at the at the administrative process I'm doing with the ticket. That that other, affidavit to the secretary of states was thirty days, and it becomes a law. Alright. Not a That is already the law back in my, administrative process right there.
[01:01:54] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you. So does anybody else have, any suggestions for Michael and, or anybody else Yeah. I got a question. How does that be Roger?
[01:02:05] Unknown:
Roger? Yes. Who is this? How does that become law after thirty days of being unrebutted? How does that hold up before?
[01:02:14] Unknown:
You ever heard the, the dictum silence deems consent?
[01:02:20] Unknown:
That's I've heard you say that many times.
[01:02:23] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it came. You wanna know where it came from? I mean, it's well, okay. I don't know where that came from. Something if I say something to you and you don't answer, then isn't it true? If it wasn't true, you'd answer, wouldn't you? I mean, see, this is just pure logic right here. Okay. It came from King Henry the eighth when he was trying to get a male heir, and he couldn't get a wife out of all those wives. He kept lopping their heads off and shit. And he was looking for the pope to get a divorce decree, and he wouldn't give it to him because everybody the popes and the Muslims, everybody wanted England. See? And so, he brought all it was still a bunch of Catholic stuff. He brought all the priests in the country, the bishops, whoever, into a building outside of, London.
And he said, you're either you live here. You're gonna follow my law. You're not gonna follow the pope's law. And if anybody disagrees with it, I'm gonna separate you from your head. And none of them disagreed. And he said silence deems consent. It's been a law law canon ever since. If I if somebody says something to you and you don't object, then you got then that deems you accept, doesn't it? Is there any other option? Michael?
[01:03:41] Unknown:
Yeah. I understand. Okay. That's what's going on. Can I go back to the can I go back to that sovereign citizen stuff years and years ago, decades ago? I guess. Okay. If you insist I was reading a couple. I was reading a couple case cases on that, and the court did not, acknowledge those affidavits of fact, of evidence, and those sovereign citizens would declare it. They would, put forth an affidavit and said it was unrebutted, and the court just laughed at them.
[01:04:15] Unknown:
Yeah. You know why? They were given that private to the wrong people. If you don't this is why we tell you. You only the secretary of state that can be submitted to were defective. Insert here?
[01:04:28] Unknown:
It might help a little bit. The sovereign citizen claim is a dogma claim. I I declare myself a circus participant, meaning that I am no longer, a part of that. Okay? It's self declarated. It is based on false information. And when submitted to the court, there's no support for it and no no statute to support the claim. So when you use that term, you have just separated yourself from any statute or anything like that, which results in the court, what, ignoring it. Because they cannot recognize it, there's nothing written on the books about it. I I use it. Plug in. This is the feudal system.
[01:05:11] Unknown:
The secretary of state is the lord of the manner in charge of all matters concerning citizenship. He's he excuse me. He has that power because he's the guy that's always been responsible for passports. A passport, by its definition, is a document that introduces you to foreign nations. If he's gonna write the document that introduces you, then he's gotta know what your legal status is if there's more than one. Where do you get this is this is Michael from Minnesota. Where did and the the the France goes, well, where does he get his rights and to whom does he owe his duties? What kind of Michael is this? They're wanting your legal personality.
And the secretary of state is obligated by this responsibility in history to represent you as totally as possible accurately. That's why they've driven the whole scheme through here. And if you do not submit your paperwork to him, then you stay under the other status no matter who you're giving it to. It's got to go through the secretary of state. That's why we recommend you do a passport after you send it to him. So these are things, Michael, that you don't understand, and you're imputing wrong information in there that doesn't apply to us. As the little site said on Copper Moonshine still, if a person can't prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can move on to assessment and collection.
If the person cannot prove, well, how do you prove it? Well, there's only one way. You gotta do some sort of a declaration to the secretary of state in some capacity. It can be 31 pages or it can be one sentence. As is their example, on the state department website, I, Michael from Minnesota, expressed my intent to to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. Swear to be that's all you have to say. One sentence. So and it rebuts that presumption. If you don't do this, then you don't get out. That's why they've set it up like this. It's like a lobster trap. It's easy to get in, but I'll be damned if that big old lobster can get them claws in that body out once he's in. That's what this is, designed like. And that's what it I mean, just keep listening and keep studying, Michael. It'll come to you.
Alright? You're letting your fear overcome something, and and I wish I hope that doesn't happen. But I can't do that. Only you can. Your skepticism the only way it's fear born out of skepticism, born out of of of of I'm not gonna say ignorant. You're not ignorant, obviously, but lack of information. It's all born out of that, it seems like to me. Okay? Who said was that Samuel there?
[01:08:20] Unknown:
No. This is Sheldon again. That's secretary of state's page that you just mentioned. The second paragraph tells you you have dual citizenship, and the last paragraph tells you and the last paragraph tells you how to get out of it. I mean, there's everything you need right there. And and the middle tells you what it is because it quotes the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which that information
[01:08:43] Unknown:
comes from the Nationality Act of 1940, a public statute. So, Michael, just keep checking on our way at it, man. We'll be happy to help you. Pleasure. But I do. We need to Hey, Roger. Can I jump in here a second? I well, you can if you'll let me finish. Okay? I'm sorry that you're driven by that, and I I hope somehow that either you or with our assistance, we can get you out of it. Now I'm gonna let Myrka go first. There's two, three people. Dave's there. Okay. Myrka, what do you got for young Hey, Roger. I
[01:09:17] Unknown:
I didn't hear his question, but I'm just wondering, has he, has he reviewed the codes of what their their state is using? Because the definitions gives you the definition gives you a, a clear picture of who is in commerce and who's not.
[01:09:38] Unknown:
Right. Well, I don't know what he and his wife have been studying. They have been evidently doing that, but I don't know all those specifics. That they're I think they're listening to shows, and they're probably going back and looking at stuff. But like Michael said, you know, Michael, you said something the other day that shows me you're could could I be I'm I'm not trying to be you're a little bit naive to all this whole big change in the world, aren't you, that you're being exposed to?
[01:10:06] Unknown:
Very naive.
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Okay. You know how I guess gauge that was last week, you said you were thinking about rolling over a CD. Get that stuff in gold and silver. Okay? K. Yeah. Do you know that every the whole banking system is a fraud? Have I have you heard me explain that? Every loan is a fraud. Yeah. But they don't loan you money. It's set up where you loan them your signature on a promissory note, and then they take that and use it for you to get your good. And then they've got compound interest attached and, whatever the good is as collateral. But they never loaned you any money. You did that when you signed the promissory note.
It's this is a slick system, ma'am. I'm trying to get something. That's why you put your funds in something solid. Otherwise, you're in this interest trap. And here you go. You know, the big they the the gold didn't pay interest. Well, you know what? When I've got the highest performing asset in the last twenty five years, I don't need their stinking interest, do I? Even their interest underperforms what I've got. So all bogus, get into things that are real and solid. That's what we're showing you here is reality.
[01:11:24] Unknown:
K? He else he also needs to review the the information that they're using again. They're trying to impose on us. And if he hasn't re reviewed his codes, his vehicle code,
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and understand the verbiage in it It's not a driving thing. Or Well, I Yeah. He it's not a driving thing with Michael. He's out driving a tractor in his field right now, plan. Okay. K? It's a thing of just being overall skeptical and being scared of the IRS. Just being fearful. Being a very, very, suggestive recipient of their programming tricks and their conditioning tricks. See, this is the this what they've done is they've done it highly scientifically. They didn't just stumble into this. As general Parton told me, when we were studying fraud Freud.
Freud's fraud. When we were studying Freud, they were studying Pavlov. And that's the result. That's what you're dealing with right here. And we're and we're under natural
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law. So he needs to Yeah. He needs to understand
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that. He's not under natural law unless he files the paperwork.
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Right. K. That's true.
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Okay. Dave, what do you got?
[01:12:40] Unknown:
Okay. It's for it's Michael, right, in Minnesota?
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Minnesota.
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Okay. So check this out. I'm pretty sure it's been a while since I thought about it, but public law 94Dash241Secondtion302. I'm pretty sure it says you can go in front of a judge and claim that you are a national and not a US citizen. It's public law. Ninety fourth congress. I don't remember the date, but it's there. Just look up public law 94 dash two forty one section three zero two. It'll take you right to it. Type that in any search engine. It'll take you right to it. Okay? Please just please just file an affidavit with the secretary of state. Is that what the sovereign citizens tried to do? No. No. No. That doesn't say anything about being a you can't be a sovereign and a citizen.
[01:13:40] Unknown:
This is insane. Michael, find me a definition of sovereign citizen and come back and use it and give me the definition, please. You're throwing it around. You can't find it anywhere. It's not in a court case. It's not in a law. It's not in a regulation. It's in some damn sodomy pedophile larceny center. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center's books because it's meant as a defense mechanism exactly like the term antisemite and holocaust are all designed to stop you in your tracks.
[01:14:14] Unknown:
What were they trying to do decades ago? If they weren't trying to call themselves sovereign citizens, what were they trying to claim to be?
[01:14:21] Unknown:
Oh, well, you say decades ago. First time I remember here.
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Early nineties, mid nineties.
[01:14:28] Unknown:
No. It wasn't around back then. Roger.
[01:14:30] Unknown:
It wasn't around. You're talking about the tea the Tea Party movement that, the government shut down, and this is where a lot of that dogma came from. Okay.
[01:14:41] Unknown:
A a king A sovereign king.
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And a citizen is a slave. You can't be a king and a slave or a subject at the same time. I'll entertain the the sovereign citizen description
[01:14:53] Unknown:
when we can find a definition and a source for it. Otherwise, we're pissing into the wind. Do you understand? We're doing the the protocols of the learned elders of Zion says, we'll get them arguing over issues of little difference. Do you understand? That's what this is. Larry? Yeah.
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Mister McDonald, forgetting his first name. You know, miss mister McDonald?
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Sir sir Richard
[01:15:30] Unknown:
from California? Richard McDonald. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. He used to he used the term, state citizen
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when he when he was teaching. Court cases. Well, that's what's in all the old court cases. They hadn't found National at that point. I'm the one that found this. I'm not being patting myself on the back. I'm just telling you, nobody out there years ago, I believe it was the Dave, I think it was the Right Way Law guys from Michigan. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Atlanta, and we were in a big room on a weekend seminar and just people talking and this, that, and the other. And I heard somebody from the table up there, the head's table, made the statement. We are nationals.
I don't know who said it. I don't know what the context was, but it registered with me. Years down the line, I find out in the passport application that we're nationals. Finally, I know what it is. Instead of a white citizen or a this or that, and that's a lot of the problem. Again, I'll reiterate, that our movement has. They don't understand. They're they need to look at concepts and not labels because they changed the labels. You're off chasing the same damn thing just because you think it's something different, and it's not.
This is another part of the plan and the way they do things and execute. And they executed it to fool you and enslave you. And they did a pretty damn good job, didn't they? Roger? Yes.
[01:17:11] Unknown:
Okay. For Michael, everything is hidden in plain sight. Like, Roger found this in the the application. Okay? Right on the face of your passport book, they have a designation. They say US citizen forward slash national. National. That can't mean anything but what it is. A national. And they put it secondary because they want everybody to believe they're US citizens first.
[01:17:41] Unknown:
It's in your face getting in place. Right there. It's and and and I'm sorry. Again, I'm gonna say it, Michael. Your problem's between your ears. And, we're trying to help you deal with it, but, ultimately, you're the one and your your little sweet thing are the ones that are gonna have to deal with it and and live with it. So, we'll help you, but I all we can do is bird dog you. You're the one that's gotta do it. Anybody else got any conversation for Michael or anything or somebody? I think it is that Thora?
[01:18:11] Unknown:
Yes. It is. Hi. Thora.
[01:18:14] Unknown:
I was thinking about you yesterday. I said, where has that girl been? Well, I hope maybe you don't know where it's going to be. Go ahead. I'm still here. I'm I've been listening every day. Okay. Michael, I want you to know, Thora and her husband, Ed, he he's an anesthesiologist and walked away from the top paying job at the hospital because he wouldn't take the jab. So here's these kind of two people that got some kind of information, and I hope example for you. Thanks for calling in, Thora.
[01:18:46] Unknown:
Of course. Yeah. I've been thinking about, Michael, expressing fear the past few days. And, as far as the sovereign citizen, issue is concerned, I think that I might be wrong about this, but I think that that really only happens mostly in traffic stops with, like you said, people, you know, that, aren't gonna know this information. But the IRS is a completely different animal, and they know when you call yourself, I mean, nonresident alien, you that they know what that means. So it's it's like they're not gonna accuse you of being a sovereign citizen and start, you know, banging down your door. So I feel like the the sovereign citizen thing is really for, like you said, those, you know, low IQ policemen on the side of the road, that you don't wanna be arguing with anyway.
But I don't I really don't really understand. I do understand the fear about the IRS, but, again, like you said, when you have the knowledge, to back up your position, the IRS is is not they're, they're not gonna accuse you of being a a sovereign citizen.
[01:20:19] Unknown:
So, Dory, you might have gone through and, yes, you, maybe. Dora, you and Ed went through this about a year ago. Right?
[01:20:29] Unknown:
It was, yeah, it was a year ago, December. So
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Has, how does it affect you? For November. Have you had any dramatic? Now Ed's gone off. He left the hospital. He has his own practice now. Has anything, happened positive or negative to you guys in that time?
[01:20:49] Unknown:
Well, I mean, I think the only thing as far as becoming nationals is that we've both of us, I think, feel much more empowered. I don't feel afraid of the IRS or anyone else really. Yep. And and the important thing is that we just keep learning. I mean, the more that I I listen to your shows all the time and the more knowledge that I get, the more I feel like if anything does come up, then I'm able to handle it. And plus, you know, there I I also feel like there are other people, you know, we're I feel like we're like a a big family here. And when issues do come up, we can reach out for help, and there's always somebody there to help out.
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Yep. Yep.
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So So I don't Thorpe, just her understand
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Go ahead. Go ahead.
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I was just thinking I heard the other thing. Program.
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He started hanging around. And now with the tentacles are spread out, and Ed's got some connections with a bunch of other smart people, and, our lives keep going along. And it's just like I tell the program here. When you do this, nothing changes. The world is not gonna change. It'll accommodate you. You can go deal with the bill bureaucrat, and they're gonna say, are you a citizen of The United States? You go, no. I'm a national. Okay. And they go on and do whatever you want them to do. There no no backlashes, but you've got to be the change because the world's not gonna change. Something's gotta change. Some realities change.
You've got to be the change. And the only way that happens is when you internalize and understand the information. It always goes back there. No matter what angle you're looking at it, it always goes back there. And the more you do that, the freer you are. And, you know, what was the I better know what that is. It's a it's a spiral that grows on itself. And here's another long here's a long timer here, Gary, up in Montana. Gary, you're sounding a lot better.
[01:23:09] Unknown:
Well, thank you for that. But as far as this whole debate that you've been having for the last hour goes I have probably got a hundred a hundred nationals up here in Flathead County, Montana, and not a single one of us have got anything from the IRS. There you go. Zero. Okay. So Two, you must realize that we're in a period of what's called fifth generation warfare. Yes, sir. And in fifth generation warfare, they use information and deceit to fool you into thinking something's important when it's not. And that's exactly what's go happened over the last ten, fifteen years with the sovereign citizen stuff is that they have purposely brought that into the forefront to deceive people because they don't want us finding out about the national status or utilizing that to our benefit.
Why? Because that sets us free. And if you claim to be a US citizen, well, read the two pages of court cases that's on the website that purposely, by the Supreme Court, rule that you are property. There's a big difference.
[01:24:29] Unknown:
Yeah. And don't forget, Brockle again. These these little nuances like this right here, when we Gary uses that word property, we don't wanna use it and think of it in the colloquial sense like we do. We all do. That tractor's your property. Well, no. That you have a a right in and to the tractor, and the property is a right and not a thing. The tractor is a thing. These are all these little nuances in ways they've used to trick us. Heard an interview this morning of, oh, who she interviewed. Real Sharp, the black representative from Florida, Donegan or something. Very, very sharp guy. And the host is sitting there reading the constitution to him, and it goes person, person, person, person. See, well, that person's right there. Well, she doesn't understand. That's legal persons because the constitution's a legal document.
It has to be legal persons. So they receive their rights from God, know God their duties. If that's right, that's the person. If it's not, it's not that person. These people are taught claiming due process. The the of of El Salvadorian Garcia that was come, illegally got in the country twice, committed no telling what crimes, he's not eligible for due process. That's only for persons under the constitution. K? So it's all these little nuances that they confuse people. And I'm sorry that you gotta go back, I think, to effectively understand the big picture here. You gotta know all that stuff.
So sorry. That should cost you your freedom right there. You wanna be free? Watch it. Learn it. Don't wanna be free? Don't learn it. Hold it. Yeah. I interrupted Gary, Larry. Gary and Larry, but Larry's gonna follow Gary. Isn't he Gary? Oh, hell. He can't get to his mute. It was Gary. It's good to hear you, buddy. I'm, glad you're getting better. Larry, go ahead. He's doing something, obviously. Thank you for your Yeah. So, this this idea of,
[01:26:40] Unknown:
the sovereign citizen speak has been around since 02/2008 and probably even before that. So this is from a case, that involved a Fernando Dela Tor, from 02/2008. He was a convicted gang member who who murdered several people, and he was using sovereign citizen language in his pleadings because he was representing himself pro se. And the, the the judge, this was at the the appellant level and, he wrote his opinion. He said in these papers, he and that's he's referring to de la Torre. He challenged the legitimacy of the United States government, its jurisdiction over him, and the validity of the charges brought against him. He claimed to be a sovereign, and that's in quotes, and immune from prosecution.
But Nabe later joined Dela Tora. I think that was one of his coconspirators in the gang, joined Dela Tora in this effort to thwart the proceedings by his own assertions of sovereignty and immunity. It goes down it goes on to say a few few sentences later, he demanded to know of the prosecutor what legal definition exactly, legal definition of the term person are you applying to me for the purposes of these proceedings?
[01:28:07] Unknown:
Someone's got their mute open. That's not me, Roger. Conversation going on the back. Thank you, Larry. Anyway, so this was this you say is that the appellate level? This wasn't at the district court level?
[01:28:20] Unknown:
Right. 02/2008, and I got two more sentences to read. Dela Tor repeated his claim that he was a this is, quote, a born sovereign flesh and blood human being and a secured party creditor, end quote. When the court announced that there would be a hearing on the competency evaluation, Dela Tora interrupted. I need to address these various issues right here and now. The court stated the hearing was concluded. One more sentence. Della Tora, however, maintained that he continued to challenge what he called the court's, quote, subject matter and personum jurisdiction, end quote.
Judge Castillo then referred to Della Torres pro se filings and said that his requests would be denied. So, yeah, that sovereign citizen language goes back even to 02/2008.
[01:29:17] Unknown:
That's my point. I knew it went back there. I'd I'd that's when it started coming up. And, yep. It came out of, I believe, the Southern Poverty Law Center, if you can go back and pin that down. If if it didn't come out of there, they've certainly got on the bandwagon and whooped it up a bunch. K? So, they're priming the pump. Why? Because it's a perfect straw man for what we're doing. It helps get people confused just like Michael today and not understand what it is and mistake it for what we're doing. And we have nothing to do with that. And should anybody accuse you of that or ask you if you're that, you say no.
I'm a national because I can show you that in The United States code. I can show it to you in public laws. I can show it to you all over the place. So I hope that helps. You you know, they've tricked us. Here's another good proof of what I tell you. They set us up with all these generalities. Oh, national, sovereign citizen, whatever, whatever. Yeah. They're all the same. And then they come back and zap us with specificity. No. Underneath this nationally. You don't know that? So we're sending you to the hanging platform. You got to learn the stuff with specificity. I'm sorry. If if your freedom's worth it to you, you will. And if it's not, you won't.
So it's your decision. Anybody got anything to add to that? Thora, good to hear your voice, sweetie. Tell that hello, by the way. My best.
[01:30:56] Unknown:
I will, Roger. Thank you.
[01:30:59] Unknown:
You're welcome, sweetie. Thank you. How's the, teeny tiny spice company doing?
[01:31:04] Unknown:
It's busy.
[01:31:06] Unknown:
Is it? Is your son taking it over? Is your son and daughter-in-law gonna take it over?
[01:31:12] Unknown:
Yeah. They will eventually. I'm still working, but they, I'm I've been training them. So yeah. Cool.
[01:31:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Cool. Well, we always appreciate hearing from you. Well, thank you. Really neat people that hang around here if you hadn't engaged that already. It's the message. Hopefully, the conversation's stimulating and all that. It's interesting, and, we wish we had new people all the time to train, and we don't do much. But this is a very interesting case with Michael because it keeps showing back up with him, unfortunately. So, Michael, you got any other questions or comments? Are you out there driving the roads or what? Are we distracting you or what? You got a pretty good signal coming from a tractor.
[01:32:03] Unknown:
He's being an awesome farmer because Yeah. Well like like all other farmers, he's outstanding in his field.
[01:32:12] Unknown:
No. He's out driving a tractor in his field.
[01:32:15] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Well, okay. Alright. Just to clarify things. Just to clarify, I guess. And and I thought his,
[01:32:23] Unknown:
his reception was excellent from a cab. That's probably one of those real fancy tractors or something. Anyway, well, Michael, you keep coming back. Keep studying. We hope you wanna accomplish this and understand it. And, we all like to, help you. You can somebody I think it was Dan said the other day, can't you feel the love from the group of all these people reaching out and try this? Look at this. And what about I have something to add to that, Roger, if I may. Yes, sir. Yeah. Well, hey, Dan. Good to know you're there. Good day. No. I mean, perfect segue. I I really appreciate you, Roger. It's amazing.
[01:33:00] Unknown:
But to Michael, that's my brother's name. It's a biblical name. It's got power behind it. But even beside that, just start dreaming. Dream of the moment that you're free of certain taxations, certain regulations that actually, you in fear. Just keep dreaming about it because the fact of the matter is it's coming your way whether you want it or not. Not literally, but spiritually, that's sort of what's happening. It's coming down the pipe. It's really starting to be about it because you'll do one thing at a time. You'll do one little thing. You'll take a step finally if you keep it front and center and keep looking at it.
Yeah. That's it. I I yield, Raj.
[01:33:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you, Dan. And always good to hear your voice too. So who who else would like to chime in here? We got I don't know. Yes. Twenty five minutes or somebody. Yes. Yes, sir. Please.
[01:33:57] Unknown:
Sheldon? On the back of what Dan just said, listening to this whole thing today and the other day, the first thing that's paramount is he needs to drop that phrase from his lexicon. That is costing him so much time and so much distress. What? Right. As soon as he quit saying sovereign citizen, then he's gonna open up the other side of his brain, and he can have the energy, have the time to start reading the surface stuff, like the trifold and on and on. Uh-huh.
[01:34:27] Unknown:
I don't think he's brought it up before today. At the time, it was IRS stuff. And and and like I said and pointed out, and I thought about it a couple of times, he made the casual comment one day as I was rolling over my CDs, and they are asking me, are you a citizen of The United States? Well, right there, that tells me that he doesn't understand the financial system enough. If he's got some kind of savings unless he needs it in cash immediately, it would be a much wiser decision to put it in something, solid.
And that's what their see, their whole plan here is designed to enslave you, use your energy like an ant farm, if you will, and and develop and grow and cultivate all this that they're gonna harvest. And, eventually, they're gonna harvest you. But it's just like an ant farm if you ever, look at it that way. Was that Dave?
[01:35:21] Unknown:
Yes, sir.
[01:35:23] Unknown:
So, you know, just, you know, I pick up things, and I heard, Michael say he's planting soybeans.
[01:35:31] Unknown:
Oh, is that
[01:35:32] Unknown:
So yeah. And it is and and it's probably for fuel. You know he sells those beans for fuel so he's already enslaved by Monsanto or whoever the GMO company is that he's buying his stuff from and and I'm telling you I know it's a fact that soybeans have a, an estrogen mimicker in them. Yep. And they cause irreparable damage to the body and to the animals that eat the waste. And Yeah. I'm telling you that that's that might be one of his issues that he's suffering from this estrogen mimicker, and he's gotta clean that crap out of his body and his mind. Know it's very
[01:36:18] Unknown:
it's very interesting you'd bring that up. I got two points, on that. One is the recent findings that if they take a bunch of liberals and inject testosterone into them, they all turn conservative. That's just recently that the findings are coming out. But I will tell you years ago, when I would listen to Tom Valentine and pastor Pete and and and Bill Cooper and all that line up there on WWCR back in the nineties, Tom Valentine, very health oriented. Some of you might remember Tom would remember that. He had a guy on there they interviewed that was a researcher in New Zealand, and he had been grant under a grant from, Nestle.
And he in his research, he found what that that mimicker is. And it's very easy for them to get rid of it, actually, Dave. And when he told them about it in his research, they defunded him.
[01:37:20] Unknown:
Of course. Of course, they did. No. All all really, he needs he needs to nutrify himself and eat more cholesterol, like natural, like like eggs, yolks,
[01:37:32] Unknown:
egg yolks, but, Red meat. Get that raw red meat. Yeah.
[01:37:37] Unknown:
Right.
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So, anyway,
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good luck, brother. Dave. Boy, that cheap ass phone sure sounds good. Okay. Who else is, who else has got something to add to the to the festivities here in the day after Cinco de Mayo? I hope you had it, at least a corona in commemoration, or are you so damn sick of the illegal alien migrants that you didn't even want to have a corona?
[01:38:06] Unknown:
Paul, which one? No. I didn't have I didn't have a corona. Up here, there's, a beer called Utica Club, and, their claim to fame is that it was the first beer sold after Prohibition. Well, the one I had last night kinda tasted like it was from the first batch.
[01:38:26] Unknown:
From before before a bitching. Now let me ask you, because you bring up Utica. Are you close to Utica? About 34 miles away, 35 miles. Are you familiar? You know, they've had their own currency for decades, the Utica dollar. Hey. You haven't come in contact with that, have you? No. No. I have not. Have you ever heard of it?
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Not that I remember.
[01:38:52] Unknown:
I'm way down. That's the Ithaca
[01:38:54] Unknown:
Ithaca dollar? Yeah. It was the Ithaca dollar. I've heard of that one. Well, right. Okay. Alright.
[01:39:03] Unknown:
Well, I, let's see if I can fit this in. Yeah. Yeah. It's Ithaca dollar, I think. I I would like I would I would do what John Benson would do is is I reserve the right to declare the, oh, the the the the Mark Twain doctrine. I reserve the right to to refrain to retain the Mark Twain doctrine. So, Paul, your question would be, well, what's the Mark Twain doctrine? And John would say, I never gave a damn for a man who could only spell a word one way.
[01:39:42] Unknown:
Well, that and I gotta have my cowbell.
[01:39:49] Unknown:
Oh, there are not too many times you get a chance to use that. So
[01:39:54] Unknown:
Well, you know, it's you know, he said to, oh god. I can't I I can't remember the names. But he, came across, oh, shit. What what is his name? The guy that was the the guy that was actually beaten on the cowbell. He was he was the one. So there was, alright. Anyway, it's not germane to the story anyways. Christopher Walken said, you know, you ruined my life when he was talking to, all the blonde, curly haired guy, whatever. And and he said, what? Everywhere I go everywhere. Everywhere I go, people are saying, gotta have more cowbells. You ruined my life.
Wow. That bit pigeonholed me into crap rolls that have destroyed my craft. Yikes. Oh, God. I'm sorry. Off on a tangent now. Apparently, Christopher Walken, he he, he saw he? Well, he was is Christopher Walken? He he was, oh, he was in, he wasn't in
[01:41:32] Unknown:
Oh, this is some movie thing?
[01:41:35] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:41:36] Unknown:
I don't know. I don't know. I don't do movies, so I don't know what Yeah. What So in the audience, it'll somebody will relate to it, but it's not gonna be me. Yeah. Yeah. Angelina Jolie's dad. Pardon me?
[01:41:49] Unknown:
Angelina Jolie's dad.
[01:41:52] Unknown:
No. Okay. Christopher Walken?
[01:41:55] Unknown:
Christopher Walken was in brainstorm with Natalie Wood.
[01:41:59] Unknown:
Okay. Man, you movie buffs out there. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I'm ignorant to all that.
[01:42:06] Unknown:
He was on the boat when Natalie Wood drowned.
[01:42:09] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Okay. Gotcha. Poor Natalie Wood. She was a she was certainly a fine specimen.
[01:42:18] Unknown:
Some, some would say she faked her death and ran off with a girlfriend.
[01:42:26] Unknown:
Oh god.
[01:42:27] Unknown:
It's been out there. Hey. That's that case. Yeah. That's that case. Have y'all and y'all that watch Barnes have heard about this. He's got this case up into Seattle. He's had to go up there for trial, spend a week, and talking about how wacko the judiciary in the state of Washington is. And the situation was the guy and the wife were separated. They had a child. He was doing nothing but trying to help the child, and they've turned everything around on him and trying to send him to jail for, like, ten, fifteen years or something. It's ridiculous. Okay? So Barnes has been been harping on it and given the background. Well, it turns out the ex wife has a girlfriend, has turned lesbian, and they're doing putting themselves out to travel the world and do all these worldwide sex shows and take the child with them. And the court's ruling against him.
So, man, no. It's it's wacko land out there. Be careful where you live.
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I I blame Sheldon.
[01:43:31] Unknown:
Sheldon?
[01:43:33] Unknown:
Because he's out there on the top of the mountain. He's overseeing all this crazy stuff.
[01:43:38] Unknown:
Poor Sheldon. Oh, Lord have mercy.
[01:43:45] Unknown:
So it's Tuesday. I think he needs a good lunch.
[01:43:49] Unknown:
No kidding. So it's Tuesday, and it's expat lunch day here. And, man, it has we've had a couple of cold days here lately.
[01:44:03] Unknown:
Oh, tell me about that. I've had a South by New England.
[01:44:07] Unknown:
Yeko Mundo. Well, we're hoping we'll break through this weather pattern and get back into this early summer. We'll see. I'm sure it'll happen eventually. But, hope it's better wherever you are. There wasn't anything of of any great substance, yesterday in the news. I mean, certainly, there's some things that are, you know, more important to others than whatnot, but there's nothing major breaking that I saw anyway last night. I was distracted a bit by a hockey game. But Moe, excuse me. Anyway, anybody see anything that's worth mentioning on the political field?
[01:44:47] Unknown:
I got you. Some reporting things happen. Sort of an old topic.
[01:44:51] Unknown:
Yes. What's that?
[01:44:53] Unknown:
Yeah. That's me, Dan. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah. I hear you, Dan. Oh, yeah. I I it's a it's a topic I brought up once before. It's just this whole thing. Now that we see more clearly, how much can we estimate that poor Donald has to serve two masters? I wrote a little piece to somebody that asked me about it. And I said the best case scenario, you know, the hopeful scenario is he knows it, and he's waiting till he's gathered enough collective power to not serve two masters. And the more, you know, the one that's historically more accurate is he's just serves two masters. And then, obviously, the one that's most historically accurate is they want to serve the second master because they're just atheists. So it's one, two, three in that gray zone somewhere. And the more I look, the more I see that, oh my god. He might be preparing to start to really dump the whole federal reserve system.
That's a possibility. And I wanted to ask you about what you thought of that because Well, it's very interesting. Think he's a yeah. He's aware that we're that people are becoming aware that the money is at stake. You can write stuff according to the, you know, bill of exchange act of what? 1882 all the way through. It went into the Federal Reserve master thing where section 16 describes it all. It's promulgated all the way forward into the UCC. You you know vaguely what I'm talking about or or maybe totally what I'm talking about, Raj. Your endorsement Yeah. As as as a Social Security holder, is is you can or actually, even without that, you can simply endorse.
You can take a pen and write, hey. Thank you. Accepted. Paid in the order of May? And and and I think people are becoming aware. It's it's becoming really aware in all the circles I go in. It's like hundreds of thousands, millions of people know about this now. They're they're all low key and not important people yet. But
[01:46:49] Unknown:
But we're making progress. Yeah. I think you're right, Dan. I think he's wanting to go to that. And, and the telltale example is this Iran situation within the last couple of weeks and the subsequent fall. There you go. Yeah. What do you make of that? The walls they well, they go after, the Department of Defense guy. I can't even Haggard. They did. HEXAF. Hegsef. Hegsef. They go after Hegsef. It was three deputies when the problem was Walls. That's that's is that a new name? It sounds like it. Right?
[01:47:25] Unknown:
You know, it could very well be. You gotta go to these people's Facebook pages and a couple things and just sort of see what they say in the words they use to figure it out. But could very well be Regardless,
[01:47:35] Unknown:
he's a Zionist. He was, I think, a former congressman. And for the audience, it might not have picked this up. What caused a lot of this was evidently when BB, I'm a yo yo yacht, Netanyahu was in the country. They had secret meetings with the walls trying to get him to encourage That's that's it. Striking Iran. Okay? And so then that got to Trump. So he didn't wanna fire him. They had the position open as UN ambassador. I hope Trump is thinking they have mentioned getting us out of the UN. Anyway, it's some kind of a hole, cubby hole spot, and that's where they moved malls. They didn't fire him for consulting with a foreign leader privately and trying to influence the president's decision. They didn't fire him for that. They just moved him over, but they went after Hegseth and his deputies who are in the let's not go and fight Iran insanity crap. Right. And they went and attacked him and tried to exchange all that stuff. So that's what I see as happening right there. Okay?
And that's I agree. I agree. Trump wasn't ready. He was not influenced. Yes. In a second, dear. He was not influenced to hit Iran and start all that crap. He's much wiser this time, and he made the separate decision with JD Vance, Susie Wiles, of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Kennedy, and those others said, let's not do this. Let's not hit Iran. It's absolutely stupid. It's stupid. It's suicidal for the whole planet. Yes, Julie. Please. Well, that'll be a good litmus test then, won't it? I'm just looking to just talk it out. Well, I think you're gonna see. I think that's I think that's the litmus test. It satisfied me That's what that he's not totally controlled by that faction. K? Which is very encouraging. I'm so hopeful, Roger.
Well, me too. That's what we're here with hope. Because I don't wanna sound like Obama, but hope and change. Julie.
[01:49:40] Unknown:
Yes. Hi. Good morning. Now that this was brought up, in your after show, we've been all talking about the birth certificate trust warehouse receipt and how and all caps name, and I think I have this whole thing figured out now. It is just so fraudulent. So I'm working on a remedy. I don't know if it'll work or not, but you're not gonna be able to get these We've already got a remedy. We've already got a remedy. No. No. No. I'm talking about a real remedy because we so that we can actually get so so that we can actually get access to our our bonds that are owned by us. I mean, so
[01:50:21] Unknown:
Alright.
[01:50:23] Unknown:
So do you know where do you know that there's there's two treasury departments? One is in Washington, DC, and the other one is in Puerto Rico? So and I have the codes now. I actually have the codes, Roger. We're after trust number 62, which is in Puerto Rico under title 31 USC thirteen twenty one, section 62 for the internal revenue service. They have it down there in Puerto Rico on purpose to hide it because it's a territory and have a different judicial system there. So we can't directly or attack collaterally through The U. S. Courts in Puerto Rico and access our accounts there and revoke it.
So there is we have a trust deed over this account and it is the United States attorney general under title 50 US code forty three twelve, which is the alien property custodian over our bonds, our birth certificate bonds. Why
[01:51:27] Unknown:
should we be allowed to cancel them? They're not our property in that one respect, although they are ultimately. But what do you think about that? Oh, they are % our property. We are,
[01:51:38] Unknown:
we are we are everything. We are the only thing we are not is the trustee, but we are the benefit because they they created it, improperly and they're using us and they're actually, they've created identity theft in our name. They're using it as the surety of payments. We don't even have bank accounts. The bank accounts that show our dollars and our money is the reason that's just an illusion. All of our accounts are down in Puerto Rico through this legacy trust. So this goes all the way back to trading with the enemy act that Roger has told us about forever, and the executive order by President FDR.
So it basically says that, that you and your name in all capital letters is what your estate trust down in Puerto Rico is in. And the lowercase, which we have discussed a million times off the air on the after show, is your labor. That's a % correct. So the it was actually the and I think Roger said this. It was actually the maternity act of 1920 that generates the birth certificate now known as a banknote. I got all the case law on this. I got case laws on this. Okay.
[01:52:54] Unknown:
So Yes. That was the federal now. Julie Julie, that was the federal side. There were existing state birth certificates already, but they were not used in this capacity best I can tell. Okay? And, yes, that was in the 2122 range, and they were setting up what they were gonna do ten, twelve years later to use those Yeah. But under birth certificates. They convert them over into the basis for bonds, and that another valuable paper or what they used as the basis for the bonds of The United States, the reissue of the federal government in bonds in bankruptcy.
Go ahead.
[01:53:35] Unknown:
Yeah. So, but the title 31 of the code of federal regulation section, three six three six three is your minor account, and and this is public law. And the account is at the Bureau of Fiscal Services, and at the Treasury Department, and the IRS is your accountant.
[01:53:58] Unknown:
Alright. Well, I wish that you all would confine the discussion to the after show. I think it's extremely confusing. If there are new people listening, they're going, what the? And we I'm here to interest I'm interested in getting you free. Julie, you wanna spearhead a that sounds like a good business for you. If you can figure out a way to get some funds back,
[01:54:19] Unknown:
get a percentage for doing Yeah. I am gonna figure it out because I think I have the remedy. I think I have the remedy, Roger. The only issue is that Well The only issue is welcome. Yeah. So anyway, the only issue may be basil basil three, where they swindled our money out of the Hacienda de Gobierno del Puerto Rico. If they took our money out of that and combined it and swindled it into
[01:54:46] Unknown:
IMF state. It's currency. It's currency. It's not money. Yep. That's what I meant to say, currency. Okay. There you go. See, that's what I'm telling you. You gotta be very specific in this. And the words we use, if we're still using their definitions attached to them, we're still creating their reality. You've gotta be conscious of it. And and I'm telling you, it's hard because I try and hold myself to the line on this. And I I catch myself doing it wrong all the time. But the more you can be conscious of that element of this and the words you speak create a reality and use the right definition, the better off you are. The more reality you are, the more you can affect other people. If you start using those words in conversations with them, you might can affect the other people.
But the words Well, I think we ought to I mean, didn't God speak the world into existence?
[01:55:44] Unknown:
Yeah. But I think we ought to go further and ask Elon Musk how come he's not going down to Puerto Rico and auditing all of the fake $10.99, which are the acquisition of your secured property, which is the identity theft for all of the big performance and payment bonds that all these government agencies are writing against us behind our name, which makes us the principal and the assurity, which is identity theft. We never authorized them to do this, and they were they never disclosed this to us. We need to revoke these securities and tell them to give us our money back. That's what we do when we file the affidavit. In essence, we don't have No. No. No. No. No. No. I want I want what? Money from my bond, Roger. I
[01:56:31] Unknown:
I do not want I do not want anything except my freedom from these bastards, and I'm fine. If you wanna go back and think there's a way to claw that back, a I do. Think that they're actually gonna give it to you, then you go off and do that. And when you've done it successfully, come back, and we'll let you start a business right here on this platform with it. Yeah. Please, make sure that if I'm suicidal, do you tell everybody that I have never been suicidal before? No. Well, that won't matter because you said that today, and this will be next week. So, obviously, too much time has passed for it to have any meaning bearing in effect.
Thank you, Julie.
[01:57:12] Unknown:
I got all these these. We're almost Hey. Hey. I wanted to let you know I wanted to let you know real quick, Roger, that your Social Security agreement connects to the Federal Reserve account number, which is a letter coupled with eight digits, which is found on the back of your Social Security card, and that is your only true bank account, and it's called your legacy count. And it's your lifetime labor within with the United States Treasury who hired the private Federal Reserve Bank to regulate your spending. So all of these wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I I got to tell you this. Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, and Wells Fargo, they're just public utilities.
You could go look at it under Title 31, Code of Federal Regulations three sixty three, and they're using that to pay your bills. And so there's no such thing as federal reserve notes or any of this stuff. We're double paying everything.
[01:58:13] Unknown:
Roger. Yes, Larry.
[01:58:17] Unknown:
I think Paul, said one time, your or or Paul Beaner, that, that those bonds belong to The US system people. Isn't that what you said one time on year, Paul? What bond?
[01:58:34] Unknown:
Which bonds? They belong to us, Larry. Larry, they belong to us. I have the proof, and I have the court cases.
[01:58:41] Unknown:
Okay. I would be interested in seeing that. However, my, my bent on it up to this point is, he who creates, owns, and controls even if he creates something and names it something else. You didn't create the bond. You were not the one that physically deposited into it. You did not put the energy into feeding that bond. Mhmm. And a whole lot of people that have tried to access those bonds have gotten in a lot of trouble. So
[01:59:12] Unknown:
dot your i's. And that's the owners of that call. We own them. They fraudulently committed identity theft against us by using us by writing performance bonds against us. They are they're owned by We The People.
[01:59:25] Unknown:
Okay. Well, if you No. If you go chase that,
[01:59:28] Unknown:
bring some positive results back, we'll entertain and unconfuse all of us on it. Okay? Yes. Because I see it to be That's what you've been trying to do, confusing all of us on what the word resident is. I'm yeah. No. I'm a Roger. One I'm a one trick pony, baby, and that's your freedom. You wanna go chase this other stuff? You go do it. I'm I'm secure in that field, so I don't need that. And I it's your decision like all the rest of this stuff. Is it worth your time, effort, energy to think about that, learn it? But I wanna see if it works first or we don't wanna bring it up here. And all it does really is really confuses a lot of people, I think, Julie.
[02:00:11] Unknown:
So anyway not go ahead. All I want them to do is cross my palm with about a million pieces of paper, and they can keep the rest of it. I don't give a damn.
[02:00:20] Unknown:
I I don't care. I just wanna be done with them. K? I wanna be able to stick my finger in the face and tell them what they are, and they just sit there mute just like good little fraudulent, satanic minions that they are. Alright. It's Tuesday. That means I'll dart out of here real quick. And, I'll be back tomorrow though, and we'll see what happens. Maybe some of these big things will start dropping. We're looking for this week. Sure are interesting times to be living in. So, if any of you wanna talk about all that stuff that they've been talking about on the after show, you're gonna get your opportunity. Just hang around.
Okay. See you tomorrow. Thank you, Raj. Thank you, audience. Love you. Just keep just keep I know. Thank you, Sketch. Just keep, studying, Michael. Alright. We'll see you in Manana in La Manana. Ciao.
[02:01:22] Unknown:
It's tomorrow, Raj. Okay. Let the act let the after show begin.
[02:01:33] Unknown:
Let me chime in real quick. Everyone is here because they have different talents, and Julie definitely has a talent for for ferreting this crap out. You go, girl.
[02:01:54] Unknown:
Go for the gusto.
[02:01:56] Unknown:
No. I thank you very much. My talent is for all of you. You're all family for me. We've discussed this a lot. I'm just trying to get this has been bothering me for so long. I just and I kept telling you guys months ago that I have to find the figure this out and where it's going. But I have I think I have found what they're doing. And I knew everything was being hidden, but all that stuff for acceptance for value and turning your statements into bills of exchange are not gonna work. But I'm going to try and figure out what needs to be done. I have a lot I just uncovered this yesterday. So I was like, oh, my God. Two Treasury Departments, one down in Puerto Rico. And I wanted to figure out how this all fits in, but it is a fact that we have a straw man and our all caps name is our estate. And we are the beneficiary of that state and we do own those bonds because of how they created those bonds and what they did to them, total fraud. Now I'm trying to pull in the cases with this and stuff. I want to try to see if we can get our bonds back but the question is when they went to Basel III this is where I think they committed fraud on our bond.
It's possible that they co mingled them at the IMF. So I'm trying to figure out how to do this and how to get access to these and you're not gonna go to any court. And they've written so many policies to try to get it so get it so that we can't get access to these, but I still think there's a way to get access to these now that I know how the attorney general and the Federal Reserve notes and our QSIP and our Social Security number and this custodian, alien custodian account fits in. There has to be a way where we can tell them that we want our money back and revoke it. And I believe there's a way to actually revoke your birth certificate.
So I'm trying to figure that out as well.
[02:04:00] Unknown:
Mhmm. So, Julie, there was a there was a lady. She ran anticorruptionsociety.com. I forget her name. She was in with Ingrid Castle, and she had a show on RBN. She said the same thing you're saying, that we're double paying. The bills are already paid. We're double paying all those utility bills.
[02:04:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Even your bank account is not even a bank account because all those Federal Reserve notes that we're depositing in there anyway, they're just debt. There's no there's no there's no money or currency, and we are the slaves. And, but all those bonds belong to us. So and I have to figure out how they use I need to figure out what the surety what the assurty and the bid performance bonds were. I want to figure out how they work those and and how they use that but they use them of course with your Social Security number and your CUSIP number, and they're accessing those funds and there's a reason why it's down in Puerto Rico because the jurisdiction is totally different down there and it's very hard to get get in get a hold of anything down there. But I I think I can figure this out. There's there's there's laws against this. They wrote the code, the code of federal regulations, and there's case law that upholds these, codes. So this is not something that's fake or false. This is something that is ruined and and is the truth.
[02:05:29] Unknown:
Like they said, in the elevator in the film margin call, Julie, be careful.
[02:05:37] Unknown:
I don't care. I'm gonna I want to expose this front. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
[02:05:44] Unknown:
Well, I do understand. Let me tell you what happened to to that lady. I think she got, pancreatic cancer and died pretty quickly from it. But she had been active for quite a quite a long time before that, before she, she happened to pass away like that. So, anyway
[02:06:03] Unknown:
They're killing all of us anyway. I have all the evidence. I they're killing us anyway. I have all the evidence of all of the stuff that's in these fogs that they're spraying around the cities and all of the chemtrails, which now have, like, 10 or 15 additional things in it. So if I can figure out a way to expose this on on top of all the other things that people are exposing, hopefully, on Wednesday of this week, O'Keefe Media is going to be releasing the information that he went in hiding about. That's what it's saying. It's being released on Wednesday. So, I don't know. And he came out with a video yesterday that said there's no way that they can kill all of my staff.
So I don't know. Things are really heating up. I mean, we're I don't know if you guys know this, but in the banking documents that you have at your bank, the banks have the right to turn over all of your accounts to a central bank digital currency at the flip of a switch. And in my opinion, that's already been done.
[02:07:13] Unknown:
That could be the case. Paul, I haven't spoken to you for a while. This is Dave from New York.
[02:07:20] Unknown:
I've been, dealing with scammers. Let's just put it that way. But You've been dealing with scammers, and I've been dealing with scammers too, so that makes two of us. Congratulations. I have a I have a investment property in DC, and I'm being sued for damage to a 02/2009 car because apparently, my gate panel flew open and hit his car. Yet, when I I found out about this after the lawsuit was filed, when my tenant called me and told me that the gate panel fell off and its post was damaged, and I have a post that I had to repair and that the only materials were cement, new posts, and hinges to hang the gate panel back. I wanna know how I'm liable for the dent in his car that where he hit my post where he's claiming my tenant left the gate open. Lovely stuff I have to go.
[02:08:13] Unknown:
We've left the gate open in many ways.
[02:08:16] Unknown:
Pardon me?
[02:08:18] Unknown:
We have left the gate open in many ways. Anyway Exactly. That's just to talk about. I'm I'm wondering what's the most effective way to deal with a, a collection letter from a utility that sent it to, some agency. I've got I've got an example one. While I forget your email, I'll send it to you. I was looking for the email setting a long time ago.
[02:08:47] Unknown:
I gotta go through my spam item, and then I probably didn't get it. You have my phone number. You can see it, on your on here. If you go to participants, you can see me talking. That's my landline. You can call me.
[02:09:00] Unknown:
I I'm I'm saying I sent it to Paul. Paul I sent it to Paul. I sent it to Paul. He sent it to me. How long ago? That was a long time ago. Okay. I I like, mute in, well, wait a second. No. I, I don't I don't know. Remember, you sent me the fee schedule you have by email. At least two years ago. But now more than three accounts.
[02:09:30] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I get, like, 300 emails a day, and that's in one account. Yep. And I have six more that I really don't check. So it's probably buried. I have over 1,000,000 messages in my Yahoo inbox.
[02:10:00] Unknown:
No, Paul. I I was just wondering what your, what your email is that you use it. I could, I could it might be easier for me to send you this document than to talk about it on the air here. Okay. A proxy letter. I mean, I can talk about the collection letter right here. Okay. That this this was made by this lady who who did ran anticorruptionsociety.com in in, a document that she presented. Long dot legal document that she, gave for various purposes. But
[02:10:33] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:10:34] Unknown:
Anyway
[02:10:38] Unknown:
Yeah. My my email address is just my first and middle initial and [email protected]. P g b I e n e r at g mail dot com.
[02:10:50] Unknown:
P g b what?
[02:10:52] Unknown:
[email protected]. Okay. Most of the time, if you just put in PGB, if you've ever sent me anything, your, mail client will come up with the suggestion and try and auto complete the address.
[02:11:13] Unknown:
Yeah. The the problem is, I put in binder, and it didn't do thing, and and the p b didn't do anything. So e g Thank you. B
[02:11:23] Unknown:
I e n e r. Papa golf bravo India echo November echo Romeo. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Alright. Would you
[02:11:37] Unknown:
would you like me to read this, this letter that you wrote?
[02:11:41] Unknown:
Template? Not while we're streaming, I guess, because we are still Todd. On air. Okay.
[02:11:51] Unknown:
Oh. You're saying no or yes?
[02:11:55] Unknown:
It's a it's a letter from a collection agency?
[02:12:00] Unknown:
No. A a letter written as legal lawful notice. Oh, wait a second. This is this is your letter. No. No. I've got a different letter here. They're validation written by this other lady.
[02:12:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Send that to me.
[02:12:27] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. For for validity, how valid this is, I I think it's rather interesting because they're claiming it under an all caps name, so they're claiming it off an entity. And in that in her letter, basically, she's asking for for signed contracts with them and things like that.
[02:12:45] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[02:12:46] Unknown:
You know? But, and and the the account itself was transferred from one person to another to another. So there was never actually any any initiation agreement by anybody who's good now. Who's claiming claiming is their entity, whatever.
[02:13:06] Unknown:
I'll send it to you, Paul. Alright. Okay. Thanks. Okay. Thank you. And, guys, I am gonna have to take the stream down shortly, probably in the next seventeen minutes or so because I have, many things to do today, and they have to be done before close of business. So if you wanna talk about something, you better get on with it.
[02:13:35] Unknown:
Thank you, Paul.
[02:13:44] Unknown:
Well, Paul, I I just wanna send, effective, flawless letter, you know,
[02:13:51] Unknown:
that they'd come up with, in a short period of time. Dude, you're just like a robot all over the place. You had to turn your head or climb on top of the refrigerator or something. Oh, sorry. It's picking up. Alright. Yep. You're a robot and all over. Thank you, Bruce. You know, Dave, you're still on you're still on my shit list for for bailing on New York and leaving me to fight these liberal bastards on my own. Just saying.
[02:14:36] Unknown:
I'm still I'm still in New York. You're still in New York? Okay. Good.
[02:14:42] Unknown:
Alright. Well, we one of us one of us bailed and went to Florida. What's up with that?
[02:14:52] Unknown:
We didn't
[02:14:59] Unknown:
No. You're still you're still robotting up. Everything you're saying is coming out garbled.
[02:15:11] Unknown:
Oh, sorry.
[02:15:15] Unknown:
They could have been I'm sorry or outside. Weird. Uh-huh. And he left the meeting. Okay. Well, then I'm gonna seize the opportunity to take the stream down because, that's it for the Tuesday edition of the right of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com and Global Voice Radio Network. We're also on radiosoapbox.com and WVOU one hundred and six point nine FM Chicago for the first hour of the program. And, we're also on home network. Tv, freedom nation. Tv, go live TV, stream life.tube, global voice radio network. As I said before, our streams, are carried by Pod Home as well as the archives and the AI generated transcripts and, show notes.
For more information on the topics discussed, please go to the matrixstocks.com. You will find a download section where a couple of the publications that were mentioned during the program, can be found. Download them, read them, then read them again. Thank you so much for joining us. We will catch you right back here for the Wednesday edition of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. Bye now. Have a great day. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[02:16:57] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Asserting Influence and Seeking Freedom
Acknowledging Fellow Broadcasters
Expanding Radio Networks
The Path to Freedom
The Record Business and Hits
Radio Stations and Influence
Success and Influence in Broadcasting
Overcoming Disempowerment
Sovereign Citizen Misconceptions
Information and Propaganda War
The Importance of Knowledge
Traffic Laws and Personal Freedom
Law Enforcement and Personal Rights
Power and Influence Dynamics
Understanding Legal Status
Empowerment Through Knowledge
Community Support and Learning
Political Influence and Decisions
Financial Systems and Personal Bonds
After Show Discussions
