Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles - AI, Empathy, and the Future of Freedom: A Discussion on Global Voice Radio

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Yep. Here we go.

We're gonna try to put another two hour installment in. I'm putting the shoulder to the wheel here at the Radio Ranch

with Roger Sales. It is the March 13,

Thursday

edition. Generally, Thursday is a little bit different. We may have some

remnants coming over from the, rent show or shows. Hope so. Anyway, we're at the start of the show, and we give all the folks that help us extend our reach, credit,

and recognition. And

the person that does that, of course, is mister Viner, who can actually remember them all and has hooked all of them up. So he's a lot further ahead than me. Paul, if you would, please.

We're

probably gonna be joined by the bulk of our streams later on in the show.

Yeah. For right now, we are on radiosoapbox.com.

Thanks to our buddy, Paul, across the drink.

Paul English,

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It'll be all over the place.

We're

also on Eurofolkradio.com

this morning. Thanks to pastor Elaine James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. So we've got three streams going right now,

more to follow throughout the course of the show, I think.

So morning, Rod. Okay. Morning, Paul. We got, Paul English a little plug in last night with the Battle of Hastings.

That part of England where Paul lives down there has had a whole

they're just

a whole canter berries down there, I believe, and and the Battle of Hastings and,

of course, the White Cliffs Of Dover. And,

there there's some other things that I just can't remember off the top of my head that's been pretty active over the centuries.

So,

y'all thought I did a good job with mister Jeff last night? I I I felt like I did.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

And with all the

with all the technical hiccups we had yesterday and all of the system Goodness gracious. That failed, like, from sunup to sundown. I'm telling you,

We were starting the show, and I'm,

you know, when they're playing the spots at the first and the sound is coming out of my speakers instead of my earbuds,

which it wasn't giving them feedback.

Okay? And I could have done the show that way, but I wanted to be as comfortable as possible.

And, that's the way I always do things with the earbuds. So I'm calling

Paul and

the the spots are playing, and he has to come on and Yeah. Switch that over. So thank you, Paul. Yesterday was a really it was, well, you know what it was? It was a Microsoft

day.

It was. It sure was. It was a Microsoft

kind of day,

and you can extrapolate whatever you want to out of that.

I know what I extrapolate out of it.

So I think I think we covered some some good ground last night. Well, you know, it's really

because the comment that Jeff made last week when he said I like to learn.

And so instead of plowing through the presentation,

I just kinda stopped and gave some depths to some of those things that people don't know about. You know, that's

one of the things you've got to do here is get your hands and arms around these

moving parts that you probably don't know much about. You know? So, anyway, then we got covered. Let's see. We got covered the, property and the bankruptcy,

and we covered

the the birth certificate

process

and then got off into the,

description, a little brief history of the feudal system. So we covered couple of pretty big items here,

I thought.

So, anyway, we'll see how Jeff reacts. I didn't have anything from him yet this morning, but,

I'm gonna take in after the show's over. I just didn't have enough time this morning, really.

To send him the, War and Emergency Powers Act with the cleaned up audio,

I I think he would really get a lot out of that. He might wanna post

it actually on the,

on the headlines and stuff for folks. He said there's a lot of people interested in the,

information. I haven't

really

yet gotten out that we have a radio show. We've got the the matrix out, but I haven't really gotten out and said, look where you can come over and ask your questions. And if if you think any of this is b s, you can check with some of the folks that are on board here. It's a very unique type of format.

And, of course, we're we're here for the new people. And a lot of times, the new people are shy.

Well, they don't know. They don't hadn't been to the forum. They think we're gonna buy them or something, which we're not. And, of course, and, the show really is for the new folks. Now we don't always have new folks. Maybe we'll start getting some of that,

where we can get in and go over those basics for everybody. But, anyway, that's kinda where we are today, and I'm alright if there's any with it. If there's anybody

that has joined us and figured out that we have a radio show from the Rents broadcast, we'd sure like to hear from you, meet you, and,

be able to answer your questions if you've got any.

So that's kinda where we are this morning,

I thought. Now anybody have any comments? Yes, sir. Go ahead, Paul.

What I really liked is at the end of the show,

you were able to work in that,

it's

what the focus has to be on is on education and knowing this stuff in and out.

Yes. You don't want anybody

to be pulled over by a cop on the side of the road and think that they're going to,

they're gonna spew all this. I'm a nonresident

alien stuff.

And,

Jeff

reaffirmed that with, yeah, he's he's kept the the sovereign movement as it were, as he referred to it, at a loose length just because

people have gotten in trouble.

So I think what that did was that put a teaser

that put an put an opening in the door,

to actually drill down into what is a national, what isn't, and what you can and can't do and this, that, and the other thing. So there might be another show coming up. Who knows? Well, I I'd like to think so. I think he likes, enjoys the information.

And,

I just kind of took a little conscious different tact

because of his comment.

And,

and I'm really doing the show for him, okay, honestly, to try and, get more appearances on there and get some sort of a steady relationship. But, anyway, I I I took that deliberate thing. Let's dig down deep into this a little bit instead of plow ahead and just say go back and check it out later.

So, anyway, that's where we are. I have a feeling we'll hear from Jeff and be back on there. Don't know when. I'm gonna send him some, like I said, the Warren Emergency Powers Act thing today and

thank him profusely for,

going out on a limb, really, from his standpoint. He stays away from all the other ones and for we got through. So congrats, everybody that helped. Thank you. And I think that's quite a statement in itself, Paul, quite frankly. I remember now I am making that comment at the end.

So,

anyway

yes, ma'am. You may.

Can you hear me okay? This is Nancy.

Nancy. Yeah. We hear you loud and clear, girl.

Okay. Well, I yeah. I think you did great.

You know, listening to him before your segment and after.

Yeah.

And I sent a a number of emails to him encourage after the show encouraging him to bring you back on and share some particular wins that I've had as a national

and why it's important. But I got kind of got the sense now whether it's a momentary or current little funk, he seems to be

just, kind of leaning towards

a little bit of futility

in his in his energy,

in his

the commentary.

So,

Mike kind of

I gotta gotta feel that he

doesn't necessarily see that there's

a solution.

You know? But anyway No. He got he doesn't. And he's told me that in emails he thinks it's gonna all end up catastrophically,

but go ahead.

Yeah. But I I sent I sent him six short emails.

Just sharing. I thought, you know, like, the CPS issue,

my tax refund, getting passport

issued under the national status, and and,

the regular and that the draft

that, nationals are not draftable.

So I just and I said, please bring him back to focus on,

remedy. So

that's it. But that that was.

His his kind of despairing or futility comes through. But,

hopefully, that's not,

unchanged. Yes. Well, you know, Nancy, the old cliche is it's always darkest before the dawn.

And,

this this is really a ray of hope, I think, if we can get numbers and maybe confront

confront the current, administration

with this a little more in their face, you know, is, I think we'd amend the process to,

when people are sending in the naked affidavit there,

the first one,

and copy the White House, copy, Bondi, copy,

Kash Patel. You know, copy some of those people and let them see

a whole bunch of these papers coming across their desk, and maybe they'll finally wake up a little bit. There's hope, but we gotta get behind it.

Yeah. And I think, as many people can can email Jeff

to ask for you to come back and why you what they think that's important would be good. But that's all. I yield. Alright. Well, thank you. Thank you for your contribution there with Jeff. And any of you that feel free to do that, it's,

sightings at,

mindspring.com.

Sightings,

like UFO stuff that he's so fond of. Sightings at

Minespring. Did I just say? Minespring. Yeah. It's an old,

that's an old ISP that started and was in Atlanta for years.

Not You're right. Observable

anymore. Yes, Paul.

Would you like to hear what AI did with this show last night?

Sure.

Well, the title it picked

was Rants for Radio with guest Roger Sales, a journey from feudalism to modern servitude.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

And the, the show notes,

In this episode, we welcome back Roger Sales who previously joined us a week ago and received numerous requests for a return. Tonight, we delve into the concept of becoming a national and the benefits it entails.

He explains the historical

context of the administrative state, tracing its origins back to the bank holiday of nineteen thirty three and the subsequent changes in financial regulations that led to the current state of voluntary servitude

as sureties

for a hypothetical bankruptcy.

Holy cow. Roger discusses

Roger discusses the significance of birth certificates,

describing him as a commercial document that represents a person's future labor and is used in the bond market. He shares insights from the former student who explored the process of how birth certificates are created and used as warehouse receipts,

which are then attached to bonds in the bond market.

This practice, he argues, is a form of modern day servitude as it allows for the collateralization

of future income.

Throughout the episode, Roger emphasizes the importance of education and understanding of the law as it

as a means to reclaim personal freedom.

He references historical events such as the bank holiday of nineteen thirty three to illustrate

how the administrative state and financial systems have evolved to control individuals.

Roger's mission is to educate people on how to become nationals and regain their freedom without fear or financial burden.

What a big Yikes. That is stunningly

accurate.

Did good.

I every time you read one of these AI things, man,

I mean, I'm impressed.

K?

Roger? So, yeah. Yes. Is that Thora?

It is.

Hi, Thora.

Hi.

Great job.

And I

really,

I always love it when you say, and you said this on Rent,

that,

you don't want people just to believe what you say,

but that they can go and verify the information

for themselves. And that that has always meant so much to me because I'm a verifier.

I like to go and and check out what people say. And so that empowers

people.

And, also,

I really

was so happy you brought up Jean Schroeder because I think that

people will get so much out of that as a, you know, foundation, like you said.

So

those that really

you know, I think that was a great job, Roger.

Thank you, Thora. Well, I never know going in. You know, I know this material real good. I didn't know

particularly how to sequence it and structure it in the fact that I'm expanding it into the learning side. Now what I was gonna go to next, I looked up at the clock and it was 08:54.

And, I mean, almost

well, I was very shocked.

But I was going to go into the passport next

and then go over to the certificate of noncitizen

nationality where you could kinda draw all of those things together. But we can get there. Maybe that'll be next time.

Yeah. I think he'll help you back.

I'd be surprised if he doesn't, but we'll see.

I mean, there's no other access on the face of the earth to this kind of information

that knows it like we do.

So Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. I think maybe his audience got a a little more last night, and,

hopefully, they'll

reach out to Jeff and say,

we want to know more. Are are there any people from the rent shows, either one of them on on our radio

channel with us this morning on FCC?

If there are, we'd like to recognize you and meet you and say congratulations

for finding our radio show because I haven't gotten to mention it,

two times. So if there's anybody out there, just hit star six and say hi,

and we'd love to meet you. So maybe not. Maybe not. We hadn't transitioned over to that point yet.

But, if you are out there yeah. Yes, sir.

Hey, Roger. It's David in Alabama. How are you? Hey, Dave. I'm great, man. Thank you for the nice email. I invited you on.

And, if there are any new people on, why why don't you tell them the upgrades that you've done over there?

Sure. Sure. But, you know, first,

you know, last night, Keith and I were listening to you, and we were watching them, the real time stats,

during the show. And

all of a sudden, we saw this huge influx of people coming to the site and

we realized that they had posted the nationalstats.com

under your,

in the schedule there on his site,

a clickable link,

a clickable link to it and because we can see where they come from.

We had within,

like, during the show and after the show, a 50

people

hit the site and

so,

you know,

they they were interested. Let's put it that way. And then it it just we're like, woah. What the heck is this? And,

but anyway, I just wanna let you know that that,

you know, your message got through to people enough for them to investigate a little further. At least, you know, that was an indication.

So,

just wanted to let you know about that as an encouragement. Kinda Thank you, Dave.

That's good feedback. But

but, yeah, we, we've updated the site. We're,

trying to continually improve it, and

we've made the coursework,

a little easier to use for people.

It was a little bit cumbersome

before,

but we've we've streamlined it.

She can use the new plugin, so it's really kinda cool

and,

added,

kind of a better, easier to use navigation on the home page at the bottom. It's kinda icon driven.

And if you all have a chance, take a look at it. But, anyway, I just wanted to pop in and let you know that because it it was pretty exciting to see all those people,

checking out your your information.

That's all I have. That's very okay. Now you wrote me this morning. You have a new testing thing or something, and I wanted you to come on and explain it.

Yeah. That's that's what I'm talking about. The the learning center,

the academy,

we've just made it a little bit easier to use. So Okay. If people are interested in in

using it and checking it out,

You know, it's self driven, so to speak, you know, on their on their time. They can go whenever and check it out.

But it's just easier to use. That's kinda what I wanted to mention that.

Okay. We had we had some comments, people having some difficulty navigating through the the older one.

Yeah.

But so we thought, well, let's just let's see what's out there. And

there's a lot of free versions of plug ins. All would understand that, but

we try and find the free stuff best we can. But if not, we add a few things here and there to make it better. But,

anyway, yeah, it's gonna help people learn that material,

I hope. So

Okay. Well, thank you for all the effort that you and Kaye and everybody else puts into these resources for newer folks so that they can get their arms around it. As all of you know, probably most of you, the first time that you were

confronted or presented with this information, it's very confusing. So

try and remember back to how you were initially, and we reach out to those folks and say, look. I I know it may seem cumbersome, but it's not really. You spend a little time with it. It becomes second nature,

and it's very important because it'll really improve your life.

I mean, this just improves your life. I don't know any other way to put it. You know? Right. Going back to reality, you have really solid things that you can go back to. You can differentiate

BS

because of that and all that. Yes, Martha.

Yeah. Hold on a sec. Good morning. Hold on. Okay. Whoever the guy was, we'll get you in a minute. Good morning, Martha.

Wipe the sleepy out of your eyes now.

Yep. I know.

Oh my gosh. What a wonderful episode that was last night.

Good. Well, I'm glad y'all enjoyed it. I didn't know how to go, and I was trying to feed him more info and things. And so that was kind of the way it just developed.

I had a start up in my mind with the with the bankruptcy, and I wanted to get this property thing and another law lesson

in there for him in the audience. And then I thought, well, we'll just go the birth certificate, and that's where it starts. And this is how they put you in there and all the rest of it. It turned out good according to you guys. I'm very pleased. Thank you. Yeah. It was awesome. It was awesome. We could hear it in his,

conversation, discussion with you, and it was so like,

it was like I I loved it. It was really good.

The connection you guys had was pretty awesome. I loved it. Cool.

Cool. Yeah. Well, Jeff's a nice guy. I mean, he's he's kind of

eccentric,

I think.

You know, I mean, I remember back

when we were spent that money on an ad buy on the site, and I had connections because of the information. I had connections with the web guy that he had at that time.

And, he was in Arkansas. I don't remember his name.

But, he said, well, we have kinda have I've been his webmaster for years, and we kinda have this running thing that we never talk on the telephone. We only communicate through email.

Right. And what he reminds me of You've got those

eccentric things. Yes? He reminds me of,

how Ken talks,

the conversations

he has and and how he talks

and what he gets into.

So, but he's pretty calm, and I like it. It was really good.

I'll tell you he's a nice guy, Paul, is his tech guy there, Todd.

And we were talking about Skype last night, and he said he's gone over to the new Skype thing, and it just doesn't,

propagate well. I don't think that's the word he used, but, like, moving all your phone numbers over and stuff, I think. There's some options for that, and he said it doesn't do it very well. So

I don't I don't know if you got my email right after the show. It's like I did. I had to send you a message right away.

Yes. I saw that.

Yeah.

So, anyway, nice group over there. I think they,

hear what we're saying, and, hopefully, they wanna hear more. And if not, I've had two shots on rents, and

that's a fifteen year goal. And that's pretty cool in itself.

K.

So Well, maybe next time, it'll be two hours.

Well, I'd like to get over there and and do something regular with him. But, again, we'll see. This is Jeff's show. It's his call. We'll see how he reacts, and I will react accordingly. So,

anyway,

nobody else has got that stuff on there. Yep. I agree. So, who else there was a guy trying to say something when Merker came in there. Who was that?

I thought thought I heard a guy's voice. Something quick.

Okay. Go ahead, Paul. Please.

We went we picked up 10 attendees

in free conference call over, like, the last ten minutes.

Oh, cool. Alright.

Well,

they may be. If your if your folks are coming from the rent shows,

and you got questions. That's why we're here, really,

and and the show. Because of the complexity and the nature of the information,

I know of the confusion that's involved with a lot of people, not everyone, but probably most.

And,

so the show is structured for folks like you. You're the stars. It's not about me.

It's about the information and your freedom. So if any of you are from the rent shows and you've got questions you'd like to explore, we'd love to, interact with you and get your questions and get them answered. And,

what usually happens, you know, I was a teacher for ten years at the Art Institute of Atlanta.

And I know in teaching, there's a,

there's a saying, it's where I get it sketched, that the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked.

I don't mean about if you're asking me about Pluto in the outskirts

of the universe. I don't know that. I'll be the first one to tell you. But about our stuff,

I want people to get straight on these basics and the things that if they don't understand may deter them from moving forward when they want to. So if any of the new people that have joined on there are from the show and have a question, just hit star six, please, and unmute yourself, and we'd love to communicate with you.

Was that somebody right there?

Hello? Hey, Roger.

Yes.

Is any of your stuff, like, on the matrix and your information, is that available for download,

like, on a thumb drive and a PDF file?

I think so, Paul. It is, isn't it? I mean, all of our interviews are downloadable,

I believe.

Yeah. All of the all the interviews, all the radio shows are downloadable.

There is a full section

of downloadable

resources on the matrix docs.

And, also,

under, bonus materials, I think it's right underneath the free conference call links.

Up near the top of the page,

there is a link to docs.exposethematrix.com.

And in there, you will literally find

thousands

of,

thousands of bits of information

on various subjects

and, a ton of ebooks

and things like that. So Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of downloadable stuff.

Yeah. You're welcome.

Did you come from the rent show or you knew you've been lurking or what?

No. This is Al from Missouri. I've talked to you several times already. Okay. Yeah, Al. I I you didn't identify yourself. But, yeah, there's a lot of downloadable stuff on there. And, of course,

we touched on the Gene Schroeder War Emergency Powers Act, and I thought

that came out about the same year Jeff started his radio show.

And that information at that point in time, I don't believe was in his wheelhouse.

So after the show today, I'm gonna go get the link to that and

shoot him an email

and say, if you can find an hour and a half or so and you're interested, this is a

fabulous

opus on law with all the proof anybody could ever want on what has happened.

And, of course, the important thing for them about all that, there's a lot of important things in that, but

the fact that when they brought back, brought the,

trading with the enemy act forward,

They took out Germans and put in citizens of The United States. So you've been a citizen of theirs since I mean, a an object of theirs,

since '33.

And,

as a national, that didn't apply to us.

Yeah.

Hey, Raj. There's a couple of things Oh,

yeah. That come from

education.

One is what you said,

and that is there are no dumb questions.

The only question that

the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked

because it,

coincidentally,

will be the only one that rarely gets an answer.

And another one is

if you have a question from one person,

there are 10 more people that had the same question but didn't have the nerve to raise their hand. That's that's certainly part of it, Paul. Yep.

People are scared. I mean, look. We're just regular people.

I I could tell you I'm not gonna bite you. I don't have enough teeth left. I can gum you. I might can gum you a little bit.

You don't play it hard. We're we're working on that right now.

Yeah.

But,

you know, we encourage

new folks. And the reason for that is,

well, basically, because of what John used to tell us from the podium up there. I've mentioned it

numerous times on the program here before.

And that is the only way that I can protect my liberty is to help you protect yours.

That's pretty straightforward,

simple, and to the point.

And, what it does in a sense is that if you do decide to do this, then your job is kinda to go out there and find some other people that you put you in the same position as me and you.

And that's how it spreads, and that's how we bond. And that's why the education part of this is so important.

Hello?

Is that someone you wanna see?

Okay. Somebody's having a side

a side conversation there.

So

Let's find him. Alright. Oh, let's find him.

Oh, it's Mark.

Mark, are you here with us?

Argh. Well, he might muted him out. We'll Roger that. I hope so. Yes, Mark.

The Yeah. The students,

if there's new students from RENZ, they can find us on Telegram also on national status freedom

Right. By searching on Telegram or using the link.

Right. There's a link on the website, and the Mercka site over there with 500 or so people,

is,

national

status freedom, three words,

separate words. And put that in Telegram, and it ought to pop up. If that's too hard for you, there's a link on the website, and you can join her group over there.

And Mirka is very maternal, and she likes the people that are, that that need her assistance. Like, you know, I mean, Mirka is like a

general female. I was listening to

Owen. Right? Not Owen. Harrison right before we went on, and he was on a big subject about that, about females and wokeness and all this stuff and the,

how how nurturing women are and stuff. And Marcus certainly has those instincts. And so if you're like, we had Eva on,

recently. Wasn't it? She

was shy and all that. I talked to her yesterday.

Well, yeah. Oh, did you? Good. Well, she's gotten two days ago.

Yeah. Right. I think her her confidence has probably built up a bit, and she's,

excuse me,

completed the process.

No. And so we'll see. But, anyway, we're good at that if you have those those concerns. Yeah. Yes. You also would. And I and I like teaching I also like teaching a lot of,

you know, verifiable

information.

We

we are very focused in the group, and then we also brainstorm together,

in the thread. So it's pretty it's pretty awesome.

Cool.

So, Mirka, now Mirka was stumbled in here. I don't even remember where you found out about us, Mirka. A couple of years ago.

Efren. Dwelled over. Efren. Efren. Oh, Efren. Okay. How's he doing? Have you heard from me? He go he goes by he goes by,

Rumi too or Romy.

Okay. Yeah. I've I talked to I chat with him on

Telegram often.

He just he's working, so sometimes he doesn't he can't jump on.

Of course. And the people that get here's what happens, I think, is

people get unconfused

and they get a bearing and they get their feet on the ground and, you know, then they don't come on here every day. A lot of times, they go off and do other things in their lives.

I wish they check back in a little more often. He's he's always

he's always listening to Roger. He's always listening. And then Annie is another one that, he invited Annie. Annie from California. Yeah. Yeah.

So,

anyway, Mirka comes around, finally gets her arms around this, and and she goes, I wanna help. I said, well, at that point, we didn't have very many resource people oriented.

So why don't you start a Telegram channel? And she has, and it's,

obviously, it's of some success. You got 500 people around that over there and has helped a number of folks, and it's a good place for all of you to communicate when we're not on the air.

Same with Dave and Kate and their website, and we've got Devin,

and his handbook and all the contributions from Gary and Gina. By the way, have we heard anything about

about Gary? Is he doing better?

I haven't heard anything yet. I'll reach out to see how he's doing. We hope you're doing better, buddy and Gina.

And he has had a He seems okay right now. What was it? He his pancreas had pancreatitis

Yeah. Or something. And he was talking about how painful

it is and how I guess they had a hard time diagnosing it. But, hopefully, Gary, our best wishes and our prayers, buddy. And I hadn't heard from you since couple of weeks ago. I think you called on Friday with Brent and at the end of the show. And, you know, we just love both of you long very long time listeners. Gary's been studying this for years and

our information. When you get these people that have been in the patriot movement for a while, if they're open minded

and they cross paths with this information,

it just lights them up. Okay?

Because because you know even though you don't know, you know it's correct, and you know there's something of great substance there. And all you have to do is press forward and get those answers and the clarification

that you're looking for. Now, you know, we never I've never told any of you to do this. It's not my place as I was trying to explain on Jeff last night. It's your freedom.

It's not up to me to, then I'd be a tyrant in a sense.

And,

I just want you to know you got a choice

that more than likely you didn't know you had. And if you got questions about it, we wanna get you shored up so that you can make a real educated informed decision. And either way is alright. If you don't wanna do it, that's fine. I'm not gonna come, you know, yell at you, scream at you, bitch at you, or anything. That's your decision. You're more comfortable there, and that's fine with me. But at least you know

that there's it's there's there's another option out there for you. And now that puts when you think about it hey, Argo. I forgot about you for a minute, Mark. When you when you think about it, this puts the pressure on them because now they've got to know that they're living a lie. And do they want to or not? That's a lot of pressure on people.

But it's off of me.

Hey, Mark. How are you doing? Did you get to hear Jeff last night?

Oh, yeah. I did. Excellent.

Really, really a good show. And Thank you.

You're you're you're walking through history, I think, was absolutely fascinating.

And, you know, the fetal system is really the big key to this.

And so I thought you really went over that excellent, and I think Jeff caught it, you know.

And we have a sharp guy.

Yeah. He is. He is. So,

anyway, I just I heard earlier I was putting some

breakfast together for my parents, and I heard somebody call me out, Paul.

And

and so I didn't I didn't know if what it was in reference to.

You know? So I don't know if you just saw that I would happen to be online and listening or just what. But, anyway, I just wanna respond, let you know I was here.

We're glad to have you join us always, Mark, of course. Of course. Lot of responsibilities.

He takes care of his elderly parents. He's got his own little paralegal thing, and we're loading him up with all kinds of people sending Yeah. Emails. So

Well, we we've got our our our trust group together, our first, what I call founding members,

and we're gonna hold our first class tonight at 07:00 central time, eight o'clock eastern,

and kick things off. And I'm really excited about it, and I've got a lot of good information. I'm looking forward to sharing with our our founding members. So Okay. Very cool. And exciting, a new, new horizon kind

of.

Yeah. I I, you know,

it's

when you look at people getting involved in their legal issues

and trying to help as a paralegal and you're kind of limited on what you can do

as far as legal advice and so forth. You can't really give legal advice. You

know you need an attorney to do that.

But

you know it's just so time consuming. There's

there's not any kind of cookie cutter approach to it. People think you can just cookie cutter it, right? It's just the same for everything.

Well, maybe if you're an attorney

and you're a paralegal working with attorney and you practice in a very narrow field like personal injury or something like that,

then it's going to be pretty cookie cutter. It's going to be very similar from case to case but

you know, when I do my independent research and work, then it's it's very different.

And, well, let me ask you a question.

Now this,

give legal advice stuff,

they couldn't hang you with that now that you're a national. I don't believe just like a doctor doesn't have to go get a license.

What they do with a doctor

is the I think it would interfere with them writing prescriptions. I don't know. I'm just speculating. I agree about that.

But I think that you could go out and you're not giving legal advice. You're giving legal counsel.

Yeah. Yeah.

So I haven't really been too worried about it, but, you just never know. I have an acquaintance

in Florida that actually went to jail over. Now this is before any knowledge of being a national or anything like that.

And so and then here locally we had a lady who

had her own really nice office space

and she was a paralegal

and she would

when she brought a client in to work on their case

She would have them consult with an attorney and they bring the attorney in her client would consult with them and then she was therefore working under the attorney. So both her and her client

were going by the advice of an attorney.

So that's the way she worked around. I thought it was really brilliant. So Yeah. I actually tried to go to work for her but

I don't know.

Just probably a good thing it didn't work out because she got sick and

I think she was stressed out to the max and she wasn't able to keep up with her clients and that's why I was trying to start working with her and that just never never came to fruition. So

sometimes god just looks out for you and you just don't realize it, you know? That's absolutely

true.

I I heard a That was a closed door and I'm not I'm not sad about it.

Right.

I heard a statistic

a while back. It said that lawyers

hate what they do for a living worse than any other profession.

Thought that was interesting. Probably so. Like like her under the stress and your all these people's problems and you're sitting there chasing all the remember the paper chase, that program on TV about law school Yeah. Years ago and Yeah. All of that. But I would think could you put in a, well, a request for declaratory judgment on whether you would be,

breaking the giving law advice without a license on that as a national. Well, I think I think the way to do that is is just find out who they got jurisdiction over. Don't don't go straight to the

the root of why you're asking. Just say, you know, does the Bar Association

have jurisdiction

over

a national?

Same thing with the state it actually goes through the state court system. So if somebody is accused

of practicing law,

which should be giving legal advice and other stuff, they usually file a complaint with the Oklahoma Supreme Court.

Uh-huh. And then you get pulled in on that.

Because they're the head of the bar right? So then the question

Yeah, yeah and so the question becomes

well let me back up a little bit because

I I've I've heard it both ways so I'm just I'll just put it this way I've heard of people

doing a deposition with the Oklahoma Bar Association

who accused them of practicing law

and it's an unauthorized

practice of law. There's no such thing as practicing law with a license.

Years ago that was the the charge that they would bring against somebody

until they it was pointed out there is no such thing as a license to practice law.

You're a bar member of a private association.

So they changed that to the unauthorized

practice of law.

So

anyway,

here's a here's a interesting one guy was interrogating

or the

do what?

What does it say? This is an interesting fly in the ointment if I I'm sorry I interrupted you. But I don't think it's a rule today that you have to pass law school to be on the Supreme Court.

Roger Taylor was chief justice for twenty years. So in his decisions, was he practicing law without a license?

Well,

heck of a question. Is it so?

I don't think I don't think so. He's giving me a pen. Law school. Uh-huh.

They I believe the law is

Be like a lawyer

for hire. Yeah. Exactly.

For hire.

Yeah. Yep. Yep. Alright. Sorry I interrupted you. If you can remember where you were. No problem. But I think the way to approach it, I've been kicking this around since we're going, you know, we're getting ready to go toe to toe with the Oklahoma Tax Commission.

I've thought about

approaching this

in a kind of way they did the thirteenth and fourteenth Amendment,

you know, go to go to the

one of the county courts and ask for declaratory

judgment

about who has jurisdiction over a national

or that a national is seen as a non resident alien

in relationship to the taxes

and maybe start that in federal court and just say,

you know,

use what we know and just say, Yeah, you're a non resident alien

in relationship to the federal income tax.

Which I think we have nailed down really tight.

Now we have this novel problem

in that the state

revenue departments and that they all have different names or can have different names.

They're not wanting to recognize that

and then like Oklahoma even though we're

not a citizen of The US

and we're seen

by the IRS as a non resident alien but we come to Oklahoma and they say if you're domiciled

here

then you're seen

as a resident

and you got to fill out the tax form the full tax form

and the first question the first block number one

is What it was your federal adjusted gross income? Well, if we put that in based on the ten forty NR, it's zero for most people

unless you had some source of a use U. S. Income

within The U. S. You had income from a source within

The United States which most of us don't

as a national we don't

and so now the

Oklahoma Tax Commission at least doesn't know how to handle that

So you know there

we'll find out we're we're just starting to kind of circle our wagons and figure out how we're gonna I shouldn't really circle wagons we're gonna go on the offense.

This is the guy that walked into the

office?

Yeah. Yes.

Yes.

So Alright. Boy, that sounds interesting. Well, I think you got them over a barrel, but it'll be interesting to see the contortions

that they try to go into like an octopus trying to get into a jar, you know?

Yeah.

Well they,

he, you know, at first they made it look online like they lost his tax return when obviously they hadn't.

And when he talked to them

about the tax return now they had their computer screen that he couldn't see so all he can see is the back of their computer screen,

the monitor.

And they're looking through all this stuff and he said well you know I already

submitted my tax return

and the way they responded was, oh, we reversed it.

We reversed it. But what does that mean? And who I don't know. Who gave you authority to reverse my income tax return? Say it like Biden auto signing executive orders?

Yeah. Yeah. The robo signers.

Yes. Yes.

But,

anyway,

you know, I've been thinking about the declaratory

judgment and kind of precept upon precept. Don't go in there and just,

you know, put everything into one declaratory judgment. Go with a very simple one

that everybody could agree to,

you know, and then build that up until you're like, Okay, well here's our problem

and this is, you know, here's where we're at. So it's got to be one way or the other.

And I think even if he

he can't

according to their rules and again, I don't know if that's law, but I'm just going by their

instructions.

He would be considered

a resident

and he would fill out the full form five eleven

and it's not a non resident. And I'll say that again, it is not

a nonresident

tax form.

So

anyway and they bought because they're like, well, how can you not have any taxes? You know?

And, because he'd been paying taxes all along, and then all of a sudden he's got zero.

So anyway,

we're we're Well we're strategizing to go up against Oklahoma tax commission, it looks like. Great.

That sounds like a pretty interesting hearing.

Yeah. I've I've represented somebody before the Oklahoma tax tax commission

with an administrative law hearing before

and

we lost the hearing and they had the option to appeal and they chose not to appeal it.

So but and it wasn't it really wasn't a good winning argument. We

struggled with it.

And what had happened is one of my mentors Pat Patton, brilliant guy,

very sharp

on his taxes.

He,

I don't know if he was sick

or in the hospital, but he couldn't represent them and so I picked it up from them from him.

And then he'd actually had passed away

and one of his other cases a good friend of mine,

Bobby Penner had went up with

an appeal to the Oklahoma tax or from the Oklahoma Tax Commission

to the Oklahoma Supreme Court. That's where it goes.

And we set case precedent there on a separate issue about

normally you had to pay your tax or pay the tax, I should say. You had to pay the tax before

you can appeal it to the Supreme Court.

Or to take them a court period.

Right. Right. And so we

we argued that we'd ask them what we can make a payment with because they were arguing the gold and silver

was the only payment that the state could accept.

And the Oklahoma Tax

Commission they skirted that issue. They never answered that and what their way was the way they got around this was

we failed to ask them to pay the tax

within a certain I think it was like a thirty day period

and therefore they waived that they waived that requirement

and so it come down from the Oklahoma tax or from the Oklahoma Supreme Court that this was a new precedent

and if the Oklahoma Tax Commission

hadn't you know hadn't

expressly asked them to make the payment

then it was waived.

Now we lost the

the decision

and it was really kind of a baloney thing

but nonetheless

that's we did set case precedent with that.

Well, just keep it simple to do. Yeah. It sounds interesting. Yeah.

I will. It was really something else, Roger.

Pat Patton was amazing guy. He wrote a book,

IRS Liars Thieves Cowards

and Hypocrites, I believe it was.

Liars, thieves, thugs, cowards, and hypocrites.

And his what he hung his hat on was

none of us,

average

Americans

receive a

tax assessment

that would show that you had an income or income from a source that was taxable.

And his argument was

you're only supposed to be taxed on income from like if you're making ammunition,

if you're building

ships, if you

are drilling oil,

it's all these other

activities

that creates

a taxable event.

Right. In the IRS

we were you know this goes back to decoding the individual master file

and never did we find an individual master file that showed the proper occupation

of that taxpayer.

Yeah. It always showed them like they were in insurance

or,

pharmaceutical

or oil or, you know, something usually one of those three.

Yeah. And that's how their computer system could could go forward and it may have something to do with that push code nine

that you talked about

but it allows the the computer system to go forward

and internally

assess the tax

that the taxpayer

never gets served

a copy of the assessment.

And so that's what Pat Oh, no. Was hanging his hat on. You know? Right. Now I wanted to ask you. There was a guy I met. We had him in Atlanta. I think he was from Tulsa,

and I believe his first name was Verne.

I don't remember his name. He wrote Verne Holland. Wrote wrote the book, The Law That Always Was.

Yeah. I thought it was the law that never Really?

No. That was Bill Benson.

The other his was the law that always was. And he's a really nice guy. Him and I got along great. And Yeah. Then he died of cancer, I heard. But, well, he was a nice guy.

You got some nice folks

in, Oklahoma there. Couple of your Oklahoma, Tulsa folks took me to dinner the other night. Some of

our nationals from down here who were up in Quito and just wonderful people, Dan and Kathy. Yeah.

So,

anyway, it's nice to meet up with you students, by the way, and to sit down with you. It's just a

really satisfying experience for me.

But,

yeah, I just remember for I remember how much I liked him. He he he and I just clicked

really well, and I was so sorry to hear that he had passed away.

I don't know if it was Verne, but he was,

like, painting signs on the side of barns or something or some type of billboard.

And the state was trying to hit him up for a license, and and he fought him in court and won.

He was a great guy. Yeah. Some of the folks have been in our movement

and never lived to see the answer, unfortunately.

And the whole damn ironic thing is it's so easy.

I mean, it's so easy to get out of this. It's ridiculous.

Yeah. But, you know, like you said and like Marcus says, you really need to study this information.

You know, if you don't know where to start, of course Dave and Kaye has the Academy

on their website.

And it's just short little segments that kind of bring you up to speed in a step by step way

with little quizzes

and you take that quiz until you pass it and go on to the next one.

And I think they've actually had some people go all the way through that successfully and they they issue them a certificate.

So Yeah. You know, that's a really good easy way to learn

Yeah. The the material is by going through that.

Mark. So and and you really you really need to excuse me.

Do what, Marka?

Absolutely for you. As a national,

I mean, you're not no longer a US citizen or federal citizen.

We don't need any license or certificates.

Yeah. That's what I think too. So we we do we don't need to

receive a certificate as long as you have the knowledge

and the foundation

and the strength in standing

in being a national.

If you learn the information,

you get empowered,

and you can carry yourself

with with confidence.

You don't need a certificate

or a doctor or

I I I get that. I get that. But you have you have some professionals like you have professionals like nurses, doctors, and Mark.

No. Can I finish talking to you? Interrupted my comment. I was having a conversation,

and you're checking interrupted.

You kinda interrupted him, Marco, really.

Right. But just to be clear with the new students,

as a national, you don't need a certificate or a license That's right. Yep. To carry yourself

as a national, as a private individual.

We are not following the same system as the federal system does.

We're not federal citizens anymore.

You know, it's my question. If you're so free,

name me the things you can do without a license permit or permission.

K. Right.

Exactly. Well, honest honestly, you're still in a state, though.

And and Doesn't matter.

Okay. Well,

they may be driving around with our license in.

Yes. I am.

It's a natural right. It's a natural And how many times you've been pulled over? You got a tag on your car?

Comfortable. Tag on your car? Do you have a tag on your car? No. I don't. Have a tag on your car? National.

You don't try you're not in commerce.

You don't need to I it was a yes or no question.

Your registration. It was just a yes or no question. Mark. Do you understand what a private individual is? Do you understand it was a yes or no question?

Do you understand what a private individual is? Can you I just asked you if you had a tag on your car. Can you ask That's what I asked. Question. Can you answer my question?

Hey.

I asked you first.

Okay. I already answered it. But can you answer me? Do you understand what a private individual is living like a private individual?

I do understand the concept. Yes.

I do understand that concept.

It's a lot of people don't have the knowledge to defend it, though.

That's the issue. That's why that's why in national status freedom, we practice that.

Oh, good for you.

Not need,

certificates to do that.

You have to you have to have your anything about a certificate.

I'm just saying that people that wanna go through Dave and Kaye's academy,

if they finish that they get a certificate of completion.

It's just accomplishment.

I don't I don't appreciate you jumping in and twisting this.

But you don't need a certificate for your own accomplishments. I didn't say you needed it.

I did not say you needed a certificate.

It seems that people want a place to learn. You're you know, I don't know why you're so,

intimidated by Dave and Kay's website.

Every time I start talking about it, you jump in.

Every time I talk about it, you jump in. No. I'm telling you Uh-huh. I was talking to you about the certificate. No. We don't need it as a national.

Come at.

Saying. It's not Mirka, it's not the same thing. It's a reward. It's an attaboy, an attagirl Right. Right. Going through there. Okay. It's not a thing to forget to do something.

Mirka, why are you being confrontational?

It's not necessary.

Paul,

may I ask asking a question.

I'm not being confrontational.

I'm just setting an example of as a national, we don't need certificates.

Oh, yeah. We we we're trying to change

we're trying to change people's minds. Those are two different things, Mirca.

Roger, we're trying to change people's

I know. But we're trying to change people's

mindsets of following what The US system teaches,

and

we're keeping them stuck by saying, yeah. I didn't get a certificate or a license. As But you That has nothing to do well, I don't believe that has anything to do with what you're talking about. I think they're two separate things, personally. Okay?

There was a there was a

alright. What we're gonna say about Chicago and whoever is there, probably

glad. Go ahead.

Let's draw a line in the sand and

say goodbye to radiosoapbox.com.

Don't forget Paul English live 3PM

eastern time.

Yeah. I'm not even sure what day. It'd be 08:00,

eight PM,

overseas,

across the drink. Thanks for joining us. Go to the matrixdocs.com.

Click on the Eurofook Radio or Global Voice Radio links to follow us into the second hour, and hopefully, we'll be thinking about thinking about and talking about something less confrontational

and less confusing. Thank you. It's just okay. Yeah. Look. The certificate they offer is for something that you've done. The certificate that you need from the government

is to do something. So they're totally different, Myrca. K?

One is for a reward.

I I know what your point is. I'm trying to straighten you out.

The the what they give out of completion of a job well done, it's not asking permission to do something. They're totally different. That's the point I'm trying to get across to you. Yeah. I understand. Track. I understand I understand that, Roger. But Okay. When when someone's coming out of The US system, Roger, when someone's coming out of The US system,

their mentality

is still under fear

and asking for permission.

And

what we're trying to do is bring them out of that mentality

I I think you're in mindset.

I understand. Comparing.

I say, yeah. I understand, but I think you're comparing apples and oranges. Okay? Now, Joan, was that you trying to say something?

I was just saying that Merka knows the difference between those two different certificates.

He knows that.

Right. And I'm just gonna encourage people to do the learning

as much as possible. Well well, that's what then you got a case that they go through that when you're completed, they give you a certificate

that says you that tells you attaboy.

And it says job well done. They're not asking for permission to do anything. They're getting a reward.

They're not the the same.

Okay. I understand what you're saying, Roger.

But I have a question for Mark. What did that have to do with the registration and tags?

I don't understand what your question is. You're talking about defending yourself. Well, you said about being a private citizen.

Private individual. Asked that. Private individual. Thank you. So that's why I was asking to see if you're walking the walk because a lot of people don't walk their walk

or walk their talk. So but here's what I have noticed.

Anytime it seems like I talk about national status website,

you always jump in to promote your Telegram channel,

and I don't know what your problem is. I don't know if you're intimidated by their website or you're worried about having people go over there. Have your opinion about that, Mark? But, no, it's not an opinion. You jump in almost every time. Nationalstatus.

Yes. You do. Almost every time national status Hey, Mark. Would you please stop cutting me off? Well, will you please stop cutting

me

off? Stop mouthing bad mouthing me.

I'm not bad mouthing I'm not bad mouthing you. I'm just saying it seems like every time

we bring that subject up, you have to jump in

How about and talk about how you do everything perfect on the Telegram channel. So

that's all I know. Time for other people to talk. And I know when I was on the Telegram channel, you always attacked me.

So I left the Telegram channel because you were always attacking me. So I You're promoting yourself

on my group, and you're promoting yourself on the show,

which a lot of us don't do. So it's it's not very honorable to do that. And if you wanna speak about your so there it comes. Here it comes. Process.

Okay. So do we have a look? When a person Roger, when a person does Roger. When

a when a person has done all this research

and so forth,

and this is one another reason why I left the the Patriot

groups

is everybody expects everything for free.

When you're spending tons of time putting stuff together, you have years of experience, twenty you know, I've got twenty five years experience

as a practicing paralegal

and then I get attacked because I charge for some of my services.

You know, I answer a lot of emails from people that that, email the straw man that have questions about being nationals and taxes and so forth, and I answer those for free.

But there are certain services that I do charge for, and I don't have a husband paying my way.

No one's paying my way, Mark. So, you know, on national status freedom, we don't charge we don't charge anything to take any information. For you. Information. May

I ask on the list?

Telgrand channel and promoted myself.

I resent having this conversation on my radio show. You're distracting

what we do here. Please.

I apologize.

Okay? Alright. And still stop talking to me. I yield. Mark.

I yield. So was somebody trying to say something there?

I hope. Roger, it's Nancy. It's Nancy. I Hey, Nancy. Just bringing attention

bringing attention to I think Dave posted in

the

FCC chat that actually, in fact, there is no certificate now on nationalstatus.com,

but I think the whole conversation,

is nonproductive.

I do too. Thank you. Yeah. So I'd like

And I apologize.

Well, I'm I'm I mean, if you I apologize, and I yield.

Okay. Well, I Actually, I would like to go back to what you and Mark were talking about, Raj, if we could.

I mean Well I don't know what I don't remember what life.

And Well, I was just talking about learning the material,

and a great way to learn the materials about being a national

in a step by step fashion is going through

nationalstatus.com.

They have an academy

and so somebody new to this material,

they can go through that and like I said, a step by step fashion. It's in modules. It's a great tool.

So a lot of people don't know where to start

and that's a nice place to start if you're really trying to learn the material

and have a handle on it. So that's all I was saying till Yep. Till we got interrupted.

Okay. So and I appreciate everybody that contributes here. You're taking your time. You don't have to do this. And

and I understand it's a labor of love like mine with this show here and, the commitment that you make, and I appreciate everybody that does it. Okay?

Because different strokes for different folks. Somebody might do better with one than the other or the other with the other one. You just don't know. It depends on the individual. You know?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Isn't that the old,

saying?

So whatever Yeah. I had this problem with Spanish, you know, learning Spanish.

And and I finally found one way that I could learn, and that's the way I wanted people to teach me because I could learn that way.

And and if that's the case with you in this material, you find who blows your dress up and you go get your blood dress blown up. K?

Yeah. Well, I agree.

Mhmm. Yes. Who's the guy there?

It's Larry. How you doing? Hey, Larry. Good.

Hey.

This is a question for for Paul.

I just started messing around with PodHome,

and,

I I kinda like it. And,

I'm wondering, is there a transcript

available? I was looking around for a transcript for the entire episode.

Is that available, or will it be available?

Yeah.

It it's For the Rents episode?

No. For for all the ones over in Pod Home.

It's just anything that goes up there, is there an a complete worded transcript

of the whole show?

Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. There's a tab. You have to hunt for it.

Well, I'll

what you do is you go to the to the program page,

the the actual page for the episode that you're looking at,

and it's a tab,

a little bit further down the page.

There's description,

transcript.

There's

clips, promotional clips. There's chapters.

Yeah. All that stuff is right there.

But the ones that were imported from Spreaker

or brought over from Castbox,

I don't have,

I haven't AI'd

those episodes yet because you gotta load the episode, edit the episode, then you've gotta launch the analysis, you gotta wait ten minutes, then you gotta go back and you gotta approve it, and then you gotta publish it, and then you go to the next

episode. Wow. There's 900 some episodes up there. Yeah. Yeah. So much. That's six years. I don't have 900 times ten minutes.

Sorry. Okay. Now what somebody could do for the ones that are on Castbox

is you could find the date

and then go over to Castbox, and all those have a show description,

although brief.

And you could check out what the show description is and approach it that way.

Mhmm. Marco, what were you gonna say?

Or was whoever that is?

It's Larry.

So I'm looking at I'm looking at, serve.pod

home, and I clicked on, like,

the the rents episode.

And I'm looking around. I see,

listen to your in your favorite app, fountain,

Podverse,

true fans, and then I'm scrolling down more options.

I'm not seeing transcript anywhere.

I do like the says in this episode, we welcome back Roger Sales who previously joined us a week ago and received numerous requests for a return.

Do you see that?

Yeah. In this episode, we welcome yeah. I see that. Right. Okay. And right above that, you see a tab that says description?

No. There's nothing.

Right above it is a

I'm on

I went to the Matrix Stocks and I clicked on

the PodHome because you have Global Voice and then you have PodHome.

And so I clicked on PodHome,

It brought up a page and then it has all the episodes

by date with green play buttons.

I clicked on the green play button

and,

there's like,

like you just pointed out says in this episode,

we welcome back Roger Sales.

And, What you have to do is you have to click on the title.

Click on the title

and go to the the the actual Yeah. I didn't know if you could click on that because it wasn't underlined.

Okay?

Click on this. Now it's asking, would you like to install something from

Brent's radio?

No.

No. I shouldn't.

No. I should see. I found it. You're right. I didn't know you had to click on that. So now I see the transcript.

Yeah. There's Usually, like, if you gotta click on something, it'll be underlined like it's a link.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What I think is really, really cool

is the chapters.

There's introduction,

at at a minute nineteen,

the concept of nationality and freedom at three minutes eleven seconds, the 1933

bankruptcy at seven minutes,

understanding property rights and birth certificates at thirteen minutes,

the bond market and economic control at twenty five minutes, and the feudal system and historical context

at thirty six minutes.

And you can share on social media.

So it's not only got the transcripts and the description, but it also has chapters.

Tells you where you can go to look at something specific. Isn't that groovy?

It's amazing. That's that's

really good. Thank you.

Yes. I mean, what a I I can see where this AI, a correct one, is a hell of a tool, man.

When it's used correctly.

Correct. And programmed correctly.

I'm saying

that

tools

are tools. A hammer could kill someone or it could build a house.

A federal reserve note can put food on your table or it can pay off a hitman or whatever whatever nefarious things some evil SOB would wanna do.

It's a tool. When used properly, the onus is on the person using it Mhmm. And the energy

and the emotion behind it, the intent behind it. Back to one of our basics. Everything has a dialectic.

Right. Everything.

Roger?

Yes. Is that Samuel?

Yeah.

I,

I get doctor

I get doctor tenpenny's,

newsletter,

and I

I give her responsibility

for

me basically getting out of the medical business altogether.

But just to you know, I'm sort of a fan of the AI just for research and stuff, but

her newsletter these days is

all about the warnings that AI is taking over the medical business.

Yeah. And basically, it's gonna make those decisions,

whether or not you're gonna get

medical care or not.

And she's really worried about this, and she says

start writing your legislatures and say that we don't want this kind of a system. So just thought I'd throw that out there. Okay. Well, Mike Adams this world.

Mike Adams is about to release one that is all natural health with all this

stuff fed into that you can download for free and use that. So the other I know you're talking about them dispensing medicine,

opinions, etcetera.

Excuse me. Don't think people will move away from pharmaceuticals.

Certainly, Bobby Kennedy's helping helping us get alerted as to that. Go ahead.

Yeah. Jim Ram was bringing up that little Mennonite girl, I guess, who,

went to the hospital and they diagnosed her,

with measles, which there were no signs of her having measles.

But she was having deep breathing problems,

And they wouldn't the parents were begging them to put her put her on a respirator.

But because she came from a different view of life and didn't have her vaccinations,

they wouldn't put her on the respirator,

and she died for it.

This is what AI is going to

start doing

when it's saying, okay, you aren't up to shots. So

now you've taken your medical care into your own hands and we're gonna refuse you. That's

pretty much what, doctor tenfenny is saying we're going to. So

just on it. Well, I'm not I'm not going to it, are you?

Well, you might end up there and, you know, you don't know. I mean I won't down here for sure. But Yeah. Well, I you you got a choice. Considering getting one of those medical things you hang around your neck in case you are incapacitated.

But, you know, I don't know.

I'll tell you another one is the wellness centers. People can check with the wellness center. You've got all those top notch doctors. They've got all kinds of little kits to sell you with stuff that you might have a problem getting otherwise, and they've got free, doctor over the phone, I think, or paid consultancies.

So you you can get around some of that stuff if you're aware of it and if you want to.

Yeah. I was just pointing out this AI is,

like Paul said, it can be a tool

for good or for bad. Well, everything's got a dialectic, Samuel. It's one of the founding principles of this show.

Okay? And what we try and do is get you away from the bad option and get you over to the good option.

But you gotta admit, it makes life a lot simpler when it's an either or proposition, doesn't it?

Make your decision a lot easier. Have a choice in that health care, not some AI. Right? Yep. Yep. Yep. Hey, Roger. The things that I've seen AI do so far, just reading these shows, and I'm I'm really impressed. I was very impressed what Mark brought back yesterday.

The chat GBT commented on the things he didn't input. Yes, Mark.

Oh, yeah. It's pretty awesome. I I know.

Yeah. The artificial intelligence,

it's it's what you're using it for.

If AI starts making the decisions, especially about your health, your work, whatever,

now we got a problem.

But when it's just gathering information

and reorganizing

it and doing research and so forth, it's it's an impressive tool because it can cover

so much and so fast a time,

you know, like like Paul was saying, you know, it would take him forever to go through stuff like that and create notes and and all that for the different shows.

But now once it's uploaded onto Pod Home and and YouTube is even doing this now, you can go into the

the,

not comments but the show description and scroll down and there's a button for transcript and so you can see the

wording the transcript you can copy and paste out of that put that in

chat GPT and say remove

the time marks

and

reorganize this or write it into a document and it'll do it for you. You know, it's just it's a fantastic tool. But I have a problem

when a r AI starts making decisions

for you.

That's where where I have a problem. Mark, let's take the legal side of this.

Most lawyers Okay.

I gotta say, don't know their ass from a hole in the dirt.

Most.

Not all. Yeah. But most of them are poorly trained. They're they're probably many of them are poor students.

They wanted to go be ambulance chasers, think they can make a bunch of money. They go to law school. The law schools don't teach them any law per se. They teach them procedure.

And,

and so they get out, in theory maybe, and they get out.

And here's Chatt GTPT

with all this, man. They can load Westlaw and everything else in there. Right.

What about AI being an attorney? I know there are people that are doing that.

Well,

that's

you know, I wouldn't

I almost can kinda see that somewhere that could even replace judges.

If if both sides are replacing their information,

It could potentially replace a whole lot of people but

man, I, you know, at one point I was, when I was going through my paralegal training I thought about, you know, going ahead and becoming an attorney. Now I'm glad I really didn't.

And then one of my instructors, Carl Franklin, who is a practicing attorney

out of Norman,

University of Oklahoma where they have a big law school.

He talked about

he was putting in, like,

he had he had two kids and he said, I made an agreement with my wife. I wouldn't work any more than sixty hours a week. Well, folks, that's five, twelve hour days. Yes. You know? And he said, most most new attorneys think they're gonna have a 6 figure income.

And he goes, if you live at the office

and you go out and hunt up business,

you might make 6 figures, but you won't have a life.

Right. And so

he explained that, you know, with him doing, like, sixty hours a week, he said I was making about 80,000

a year.

You know, it wasn't a hundred thousand, but he was in his own practice.

And then I don't know about

I think I saw

ten or twenty years ago, he got a teaching job in a law school in Kansas,

and he's now retired in Florida. So

but just a great transparent

guy that would you know tell you how it was. Back then, OU got hit with a scandal where they had people selling degrees out the back door.

Oh my. If you paid like $30,000

they would give you a degree and whatever

and

nothing else was said, you know. Well Carl said

all the money he spent going to law school he goes I've been way better ahead

if I would have paid the 30,000,

got my

my certificate or my diploma and start practicing law with a law firm. That's the other thing too. For you to go take the bar exam,

you're usually working well you have to be sponsored by another attorney

and that usually means you're working in a law firm and you're getting practical

experience.

And that's what he was saying. Hey, I learned everything I learned on the job. Just like you said, they come out of law school. They don't know anything.

Yep. So

they they're they're getting on the job training is what they're getting. But, you know, Mark, I think I've You I don't know. That was pretty funny.

I don't know if you've heard this story. When I was still in Florida, I've told it a couple of times you may have. When I was still in Florida, I the phone rings one day, and it's an attorney from,

I think, Iowa, somewhere in the Midwest.

And he had a client with an IRS problem, and the client had heard me somewhere, knew of me. And I still don't know how the hell they got my phone number, but they did.

Anyway, we had a long conversation, and I gave him the whole kind of module on the administrative state, how it works, what the regulations are, etcetera, etcetera.

And when I was done that, his comment, he said, Roger, you know more about that than 98% of the attorneys in the country. That was his comment. Yeah. I I was kinda shocked, really.

Yeah. No. They don't teach that in school. I didn't teach that in my paralegal courses.

I don't want you knowing about regulations where you can go confront the CDC

on an interpretive regulation.

No. They don't. I I don't think people understand how powerful that knowledge really is. Oh, boy. Especially when you're dealing

with it. Especially when you're dealing with an agency of some sort.

Now and I never did

go outside,

stray,

if you will, outside of the summons of books and records regulation.

But I did trace that back the way I tell people to do with the brackets at the bottom of the regulation. If there's a previous Right.

Regulation, it'll list it. So you can trace those things back, and they all end.

The ones that I traced back, they all end at the,

Internal Revenue Code of 1954.

But I've always wondered in my suspicion is that all the IRS regulations

are exactly the same.

Yeah. They're all internal. Well, you know, Ralph I betcha. Yeah. Ralph Winter Road said it was all internal.

All all the

That's it. The regulations,

by the IRS

is all internal. He called it housekeeping.

Doesn't apply to anybody outside.

You're right. Does not apply to anybody outside of the IRS.

Right. I've my suspicion was that and and I'd still bet you I've never gone back and done it. If some of you wanna look at any particular one and do it, trace them back. But I'll bet you they're all interpretive.

And that tells you again

that IRS is voluntary.

Yep. Yep. Well, you know, they got revocations.

I mean, they got a revocation you can withdraw from being a subchapter s.

So, you know revoking

your

participation

is valid.

A matter of fact

under the revocation of election

if I recall correctly

and I'm sure I saw this

you once you file that

you can't file another

tax return for five years you can't get back into the system for five years. I think you told somebody

didn't you tell the story where somebody accidentally sent a tax return in after they revoked their election and they sent it back saying we, you know, we can't take this?

No. I I don't know about that, but it makes perfect sense. They're not gonna let you get back in the system and then go back and do the same thing and double dip on them. Right.

Right. Right. So,

you know, powerful stuff. This powerful information. Well, Paul's got a comment. It's probably powerful too. Yes, Paul?

Well,

I I don't mean to detract from the current conversation, but, you know, like, I saw a squirrel and I had to and I just had to speak up.

They're so cute. They're so cute. You had said

you had said last night on the show that you were going to tell him exactly where the IRS regulation is. You're all the guy that's hiring law, but you never got a chance to do it. So I hope you have another opportunity.

Well, me too, man. That's called a cliffhanger.

Yeah. Well, he used to have Debbie Kidd on. Debbie Kidd well, I think she's dead now. Any of y'all remember Debbie Kidd? I I don't think yeah. I've met her. I don't think she's passed away. I think she's still Oh, I thought she had. Write articles. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, I haven't seen any of those. I don't do too much reading and checking news sources and stuff anymore. But,

anyway, yeah, Rince had her on a number of times, and she worked with,

the Save a Patriot guy when he was alive and Beecraft

and

and and,

who Barrister. Yeah. Barrister,

the IRS agent, and all those folks. And they're the ones that Barrister.

Right.

Right. Bannister. That's it. That had the show me the law, show me the law. Well,

as I've come to understand this better, they were looking in the statutes. They weren't looking in the regulations.

I'm sure that's why they couldn't find it.

Yeah. Exactly.

Well, let's hope you get on there and you can you can Well, I I'm I'm pretty sure Jeff will drag me back. I don't know if it'll be next week this time, but we'll see.

Yeah.

She is on News with Views.

Yes. That's right. That's right. And she's married to Charlotte Visorby was the lady who passed away, I think. Yes. Correct. She did. I knew that.

I had thought that Debbie had, but I'm glad she hasn't. She's a charming woman

and,

very patriotic

and just a

a little bundle of energy used to be.

Roger.

Joan.

Hey, Roger.

The interpretive

regulation,

it

isn't that

for for the IRS,

isn't that reason enough

for taxes to be voluntary

even title?

C f 1.1

dash one dash and then Yes. Especially also eight eight seventy one b and eight seventy

seven b.

So so even those

who are voluntary because of No. Those are not voluntary. No. No. They're not voluntary.

Those are mandatory. They're constitutional

taxes.

Yep.

That's called the cost of doing business.

Okay.

Oh, that's why that's that's why that's in there.

You dance with the devil.

So so that's where the source of that income comes from.

That's okay. That's where the source of the income comes from. And if you're a US citizen,

then they consider

any income from within The United States

are taxable.

If you're a national you're not within The United States,

your income is not from within The United States unless you got a government contract or

federal employee.

Now Dan Meador even argued that federal employees weren't

required

to pay

income tax. I'm not so sure if that's correct or not. I don't know that I agree with him on that.

Yeah I don't either.

But nonetheless, that's the big difference and that's what's so,

liberating with this message. One of the things that makes it so liberating is, you know, you're not inside The US anymore.

Yeah.

Years ago, there was a guy in front of congress. I believe he was from the ATF or at least the treasury, Joan.

And he was saying he said your BATF taxes are absolutely mandatory, like the $200

tax on a machine gun or stuff like that.

But your income taxes is

voluntary. He said that in front of congress.

Okay. Roger. Hello?

Hello? Hello? Hello? Is that God. Julie? Oh, yeah. Is that Julie? Oh, yeah. Julie? You're very loud. You're over modulating, sweet thing.

Yeah, this is Kaye.

Hi.

Hey, back your mouth off from the microphone

a bit.

Oh, okay. How's this? Is that better?

It is. And if you'll back it off a little bit more, it'll even be better. I think

you like me yesterday.

That's good. We can hear you and understand you were over modulating

pretty heavy there. So hi, Kaye.

Hi.

Sorry about that.

I just wanted to enter a comment about AI, if I might.

Yes.

Listening to the discussion,

you

know, with everything going,

with things as they are,

federal government let go of 6,700

employees, they are planning to replace them with AI.

They have

230,000

employees in the

post office

that they plan to let go.

And then in addition,

you have the IRS and they are going after

people in IRS. I don't know if they are admin people or if they are actually agents.

But I just wanted to say that

a lot of people,

what are they going to do now? It's not like there is a lot of jobs out there. And just let me finish please if I might.

My problem with it

is that people are cheering for it.

And I have a problem with

where is the

human

empathy for the plight of another. It's not like you know I'm not in love with the government.

I'm not in love with any of these things.

But some of those people thought they were doing the right thing. They had a job. How many of them are single mothers?

And depending upon that job,

what's going to happen to all those people? No one is talking about that.

And being replaced by AI,

I can just say this

from my working,

you know, as an author and that sort of thing.

If you have a problem,

let's say, with something

that is AI run

and you try to fix it,

you can come into a you can talk to a person and they'll understand,

but they can't fix it because it's an algorithm

and nothing can change that for that particular place.

In other words, there's no understanding.

It is what it is. Go away.

Certainly doesn't have the empathy it doesn't have the empathy that you obviously have.

K? No. And it disturbs me

that more and more we're seeing a lack of empathy and a lack of kindness,

for the plight of another, whether we agree with what they do

or not, as long as they're not harming someone else, like a federal agent. But as long as they're not harming someone else,

where is

what are those people gonna do? I'm trying well, I don't know. Hopefully, the the surge of,

jobs that are gonna come in from the change in tariffs will accommodate some of them, but it might take a little bit of time.

I but can you take the empathy that you're putting on these few people that have been cut loose of a job where they probably didn't do much,

and weigh that against the problem was if you don't do that, we're not gonna have a country because we're gonna be bankrupt again.

So that that's the balancing act. I understand what you're saying, but it's the few against the many. And he's trying to save the country for the many.

I have a problem with that too. What happens to those few? It's not Well, I'm sorry. I I, you know, I don't know. I don't have an answer, but let them go get on welfare like they did with a whole bunch of other people.

Universal. What about when they what about when, you know, that whole bunch shut down the whole damn country for two or three years and screwed everybody

that we're still trying to get out from? Yeah. I get you in a second, Joe. So don't don't marginalize

the few

at the expense of the many would be my comment, Kaye.

Okay. I I understand that. I understand that. I have a comment. Someone have to think of a few. I'm I'm I'm Oh, well. All I'm saying that

Hey. We know what you're saying.

We know what you're saying.

Yeah. But I have another problem with AI.

Okay? You take away the IRS agents, all of that, replace them with AI. AI goes through all of the files.

You're now being surveilled.

Everything that you've ever done or ever do online or any you are see you are under a surveillance system then. Yeah. And that's a problem.

Okay.

And,

and something I I just I don't think we There was a We're not gonna be able we're

not gonna be able to change it. We're not gonna be able to change it.

It's the biggest single thing on the horizon

for all financiers,

and the countries are going to battle to get the best one because whoever has the best one is probably gonna be the boss. We can't change this. We can adapt to it. We can discuss it.

And I understand your empathy for those folks. And maybe some of them weren't all bad. But let me ask you. What about the ones that are staying behind

that are destroying documents and everything and hiding their guilt? What about those people? Should they be fired?

Yes.

Okay. If they're doing Well, a bunch of the people that are getting fired, what about the ones at the National Education Association

that never did shit but corrupt your children and your grandchildren?

What about them? Should they be fired?

I Well, the

the building's closed? Today.

You know what? Actually do

let's have some what do you call it? Due process.

Let's have some due process in here. We gave them

Okay.

Individual by individual by individual.

He gave them the opportunity to resign and get eight months pay in advance.

If they didn't take it,

their fault.

I'm not sure. You comment after Joe. You know, here let me make this comment.

We're all where we are. Doctor. Laura Schlesinger, we're all where we are

because of choices we've made.

All of us. Yes.

Yes. If that doesn't preclude having emphasis towards one another

Okay. I made that decision. If there's not one of us

how about we have a little emphasis

and take it case by

A case by case oh, well, that'd be alright. But they're trying to cut down the government and save the country. And at that point, those people become fairly negligible.

Hold on. Hold on. We'll talk to everybody if we can.

Okay?

So, anyway, that's my feelings on it, k? But I appreciate your empathy, and, obviously, you're 100% female because that's the way females are wired. And I appreciate that. That's the way god made you. He made you that way for a reason.

Okay? But I don't think any of us can get around this AI stuff.

No. I don't think so either. It's don't all have to comply.

Okay. You know, I'll Then then

don't, you know, make sure

yep, make your own choices. Now there were several people that wanted to comment on what Joe Joe.

Was saying. Joe was one. Paul's another. Maybe somebody else. Go ahead, Joe. Really? Not me.

Couple of times, Roger,

is that,

first off,

the law of the jungle

applies

universally

and life

ain't fair.

And secondly,

so far as empathy goes,

I have yet to ever see

any one of these bureaucratic

Yeah. Administrations

show any empathy whatsoever.

People. Look at must look at January 6. Let's look at the at the BATF that has barged in and murdered

people.

Wrong address. Sorry about that.

Where's the empathy there? I I'm sorry. I no. I'm not sorry. I cannot have any empathy

for those people.

Yeah. I would say if you would. They are part of the reason

we are in the fix that we're in.

Not entirely, but they are a great part of it. It. I can't disagree with that, Kaye.

No. However, you can look at the fact of what that is set up for now for for bringing in this whole surveillance system. Anyway, I I will. I I just wanted to make the point, and I'm not asking to be agreed with. And Right. I know that probably

I won't be, and that's okay. Yeah. But And Kaye, you know

you're a writer. You've

written how many novels? 25, 20 six?

27,

20 eight right now in s Okay. And you're taking care of your grandchildren, and you're producing, and your husband's out doing construction and things, and they're producing. You guys didn't go to get a fat government job or you didn't have to go into the office for the last four years and get a fat pension for doing nothing. You guys didn't do that. You went out and made your own way in this world.

They didn't. Yes.

They took a cush job.

Yes. And that's true. And I'm not saying it wasn't a good decision. All I'm saying is

they're human beings. They're not a a machine.

And and, we should have Well some to see for their flight strategically. Okay. Well, I'm like Joe.

I'm like Joe. I ain't never seen any empathy on them towards me and my situation. How about the folks in North Carolina where FEMA came in and gave them a tent? And they wanna steal their land? Well, all those people. Okay? So How I agree with you. Life's a jungle. All of that. And

Unfortunately, we're talking about so many people.

No due process.

That's what I have a with. Well, they no due process. Things are being done without finding out what the individual

I'm sure they well, they don't need due process. Trump's got the total authority to whittle away or do anything he wants with that, and people elected him for that. But,

I'm sorry for those folks. I I hope, they should've taken the eight month buyout. It's what I tell most of them. They wanted to stay back and fight and sabotage Trump and his efforts. So good riddance to those folks,

quite frankly. Okay. Comment. May I? Oh, I You know?

I lost track of who else out there. Okay?

Well, I was gonna

now and just let people talk. I hear. Thank you. Yep. Thank you. I was I was was here. Good night.

Okay.

There's a lot of things that are going on,

and I like to

to liken this country

to a tree.

And I like to liken the deep state

as the people

that are taking innocent individuals and tying them to the tracks in front of the train.

Now there's two ways you can deal with that situation and save those people.

You can concentrate on untying the people from the tracks and try and stay ahead of the train,

or you can stop the train.

I suggest that's for a wreck.

Okay.

Who else is trying to get something in here? I think there's a few other questions. Is that you? Whoo. Nancy, is that you? Nancy. Hold on, Julie.

Nancy, is that you?

Yeah.

Okay. You. Just Go. No. I got I got fired from my state job from for COVID nonsense.

So

we're

and the very few people I mean, people in the freedom movement are sympathetic,

but I

I even though

that was a harm and an injury done to me,

I have the choice to be a victim or not. Just like those people, they are serving at the pleasure.

So and in the private industry or the public.

So

and so I I say I would say that a more empowering point of view, depending on your point of view, but from mine, is to affirm for everyone

that

the door that closes, there is another door or window that opens, that they are empowered spiritual beings, and they will be guided

to their perfect right employment and neck and be taken care of. They are not victims.

I am not a victim even though technically in in law, I've been, you know, I've been harmed. I've experienced a harm and it was illegal unlawful,

but I have a choice in how I choose to view that. I can

move forward to take care of myself, which is my responsibility.

Yes. So and I yield.

Well, let me say that you never know what's gonna come on the other side. They may get the opportunity they never would have fallen into if they just stayed in government employment. So you never know what's coming. And I agree with Nancy.

God never closes one door without opening up another. Yes. Was that Danny? Who is that?

Yeah. This is Danny. I got,

information from Cliff Hite, something he put out recently. I think,

be interesting and could affect everybody before

too long.

And, he had a little article on his, Substack,

where he writes and and has some videos.

It says the title is Panic Puking Politicians.

It's Arrived.

And in that, he's referring to a,

a remote viewer,

Dick Allgaier, if you have heard of him, who I have.

Saw something several years ago.

And

and in this, Cliff thinks he's found some data that may indicate

this. He the the the

the viewer,

he, was drawing out what he had a glimpse of and said it looked like,

you know, big ornate building in the hallway

and

a bunch of guys in suits

out in the hall

outside some large room.

And they were in shock

and, you know, to the point, like, they were getting sick to the to puking in the floor there.

And,

so

he didn't know what what it was about, but, some of the notes he's had written on here, his impressions,

emergency meeting, shock, dismay, disbelief,

ruin,

catastrophe.

How can we face this?

And also has a note here, sense of a journey for the last time,

transfer of power.

The thing that Cliff has come up with and says, doesn't know if it's,

findings of Doge or it just Doge

ends up driving it out into the open,

but that,

the federal federal reserve

really has something like,

dollars

out,

something like a hundred to a thousand times more than they have on their books.

And that's gonna start showing up.

Well, I'm sure that's correct. They've also owned the company that prints the bonds, and they've been printing double bonds since back in the thirties.

Well, anyway, he's talking about this, and he he ran this scenario

through a,

GROC, an I IA,

to get

consequences

of such a thing being turned out to be true.

And it has all these things about banking and banks going down, government, things happen with government,

politics,

social order, all kinds of things happening,

timeline.

And,

anyway, I'll I'll,

Well put link to this this article

Okay. In the I have no doubt that's coming.

Yeah. In the chat.

And I linked to a video where Dick Argyle was talking to this other guy,

and he brought that up. And and this

video was, like, September

2021.

And in that, he said that was, like, two years before that that he saw this.

So this is, like, from 02/2019

that he,

saw this thing, and now Cliff thinks he's come up with some of his data,

showing a reason for all this.

Well, the reason is because we're almost bankrupt, and they've been keeping the things,

running with barbed wire and

and and duct tape,

and derivatives. And now they're trying to crash it to make Trump look bad, and he's trying to beat them to the punch.

I think that the the thing's so tedious

on 37,000,000,000,000.

Now see, if our information could get out there, we could even maybe help press them over the cliff because that's all fraud. We don't owe anything to anybody. It's all fraud.

Boy, that'll upset the Apple cars.

And that may come out, Danny.

That may come out with August, coach.

Yeah. He's talking about he said June ish.

Well, that'd be about right. That's what the kind of the time frame people are talking about.

Could be.

Get you some gold and silver, folks. If you got Federal Reserve notes left, try and find some and get it. You I think you'll find it'll be a real wise decision.

Some of the people are talking about 15 to $20,000

an ounce

is what Trump might revalue gold to, and that would only take care of 25%

of that 37,000,000,000,000,

that additional

price in gold. Yes, Samuel?

Roger? Yeah. There's an old, Bob Dylan,

lyric, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind know which way the wind blows. That's right. That's where the weatherman got their name.

Did you hear,

the

laborer,

commenting to

judge Napolitano and his team

about I the,

ethics of our country?

No. I did not. I know Napolitano

was over there in Russia at some conference. They invited him over there. But,

Lavrov is It's excellent. One of the he's one of the most respected dip diplomats in the country. Well, I may go over and get judging freedom. I was I saw the one where he just arrived. I don't think he'd spoken with Lavrov and done this yet. So thanks for the heads up there. Yeah. Samuel, was that known? I think that the stage old problem of of,

morals, ethics, and justice versus

money, power, and corruption.

And And scran scandalism.

We take God out of everything, and God is showing us the results.

Well, we didn't do it. They did it. We may have followed some of their erroneous leads, but they're the ones who have instigated all this. I think there's a huge a huge spirituality

move going on in the country right now, people coming back to spirituality.

Joan, was that you trying to say something? No. Me. It's Julie. It's me, Julie. Julie. How can the hell could we marginalize

Julie? Yes, dear.

I'm switching subjects because I was trying to chime in when Mark was talking about source of income.

I don't know how many people

prior ago, but anyway, I wanted to ask

Mark a question.

If you if there's a five zero one nonprofit

organization

that's located in Washington, D. C, and they send you a ten ninety nine form for income,

as a national,

is that taxable

since it's not from the federal government?

No.

No, I would say no.

It's it's not it's not where that's physically located.

It's not where it's physically located.

It's the source of the income.

It's that 501

did you say 9?

5 0 9, is that a foundation?

No. Five zero one

c three nonprofit organization.

Okay. Okay.

So it's it's not

it's not that it's located within Washington DC,

it's the fact that it's not a government

your your nonprofit is not quote a US government source of income.

Does that make sense?

Yeah. You know thank you Mark because now I'm think you got me really thinking yesterday and I thank you for everything you shared yesterday. You're a genius.

Oh, thank you. But you

got me so thinking, Mark, that even

the agency called DC Housing,

the website address is dchousing.org.

That's not a contract with a government

agency. That's a contract with a organization that's funded

through HUD,

but it's not part of the government. It's not a federal source.

So I'm I just thought

really opened my brain up yesterday and I thank you for that.

Oh, you're welcome. I wanted to ask you one last thing. So we have The United States code and we have the code of federal regulations. Which one triumphs?

Well it's it's neither one of those really.

It's the statutes at large

or

oh Roger help me what's

the what's the one we refer to the

when you chase down a CFR and if it's positive law you're looking at the What's the code of federal regulations?

No? Well I didn't I don't know if I'm getting

Federal federal registry?

There you go. Thank you.

You look at that that federal registry,

and that's where the positive law is listed.

Well, that's where all regulations or any changes are listed. The federal register

is the legal organ of the federal government.

Did you say register, or am am I mix mixing something up here?

Yeah. Federal Register. Did I do I have it turned around? Because I thought the federal register is where you determine whether it was positive law or nonpositive law. No. That's in The United States code. At the front, there's a list of all the chapters,

and they tell you which one's which.

Okay. So when we're chasing down a a the the CFR, the code of federal regulations, and you're trying to determine,

well, is this some

type of internal regulation

for the federal agencies or does this apply to,

quote, US citizens if or I should say whether it's positive law, not not who it applies

to. But whether it's positive law, then we look at The US code to ensure that it's positive law.

Well, yeah. At the front, I believe it's I don't know which book if it's just the first or if it's in all of them. When you open up the front cover there, there's a list of the all 50 titles in their nomenclature or they're identified as being positive or nonpositive

law. I haven't looked at that in, you know, twenty five years or more, but I remember that.

That was always a big question back then. Well, what the hell is nonpositive

law?

Ain't that an oxymoron?

Yeah. What is it?

Well,

it's things that are legal, not lawful.

I get it. Okay. So that goes back to the Chev Chevron Act or whatever.

Well, it could be. That's another regulatory thing. And the the Chevron

deference, I think they called it here's what was happening.

Years ago in the seventies,

the there was a Chevron case that came down, and the Supreme Court basically said, the way I understand it, well, you're the agency

and you're the experts in this area, so you can interpret the legislation

any way you want without even considering what the original intent was.

That's what was overturned and narrowed.

They can't just arbitrarily

make it anything they want to. You wanna hear what?

You wanna hear what chat JPT says? Yeah. Okay. It's pretty short and concise.

Federal regulations

as codified in the code of federal regulations

are not considered positive law.

Oh, there you go. Positive law

refers to statutes that have been enacted by a legislative body such as The United States Congress

and are codified

in The United States Code.

While some titles of The U. S. Code have been enacted into positive law,

notice it said some,

some titles of the USC, U. S. Code have been enacted into positive law. The CFR, the Code of Federal Regulations, consists of administrative rules and regulations

issued by federal agencies to implement

and interpret

the statutes.

These regulations

derive their authority

from enabling legislation

but are not themselves

enacted by Congress as statutes.

Therefore,

federal regulations in the CFR

are not classified as positive law.

They shouldn't be. Period. Only two those two sections of the, you know, of the IRS

could be, I think, construed because they're constitutional

taxes. And they're having you act on constitutional

taxes, but I don't believe any of the other CFRs are legitimate.

They're all based on

man made bureau

non elected bureaucrats

interpreting

legislation by your representatives any way they want and applying that as public policy

to the serves.

That's the way I see.

Now I have one last question for Mark, and then one last statement to make. So, Mark,

you know, FinCEN, which is part of the Treasury, is coming out with the Corporate Transparency

Act.

Am I subject to that as a national?

Once my LLCs have

filed

for revocations of election,

is that applicable to me or no?

It shouldn't be. Well,

I believe it will be

because

non residents can own an LLC.

It just can't be a Subchapter S.

So I didn't see anything in there

that would

exclude non resident aliens

or nationals.

So I don't think so. What it basically said, Julie, is if you register

any

entity

with

your Secretary of State

then they're going to require you

to disclose the owner of the LLC. Because right now

you can anonymously

create an LLC

and and nobody would be able to track it down if you if you know how to do that. Yeah. I did that. I have I have one.

Yeah.

And it's not hard really. I mean a lot of people jump through a lot of hoops but if you know how to set it up kind of reverse engineering,

you don't have to pay thousands of dollars to somebody to make that happen.

It's very simple you just have to reverse engineer it. But

right now registering with the FinCEN,

that's the Financial Crimes Unit,

is on hold

And now they're like, we don't know if they're gonna actually,

go forward with that or not. So everybody's been on pins. There's a new there's a new thing on their site, Mark, and it says it's back and forth it's back into effect. However, it's kind of funny what they said on their site. It says by March 21, however, it says that they're not going to take any enforcement actions to give people who don't file and they're not going to issue any financial penalties

for people that don't comply.

Yeah, yeah. The way I look at it and I can't even believe they came out with this,

there are

millions

and millions

of LLCs.

A lot of them were created and never utilized.

A lot of people just walked away from that LLC

and they're still sitting out there even if they are no longer

current

with the Secretary of State's office.

So

I think they just have a real big problem on trying to go backwards

and have everybody register,

you know. Yeah. But But Yeah. But, Mark, the problem with that is I looked up all the 19 exceptions and I read all the 19 exceptions on that.

And

the entities that are most

common

for

laundering

money

and engaging in criminal acts, those are all the 19 types of

entities or parties that are not don't have to comply with Fencen, like, for example, banks.

It's incredible.

It seems like it's going after the small people, the little people,

just like, you know, when Biden hired 87,000

IRS agents going after the little people. But anyway,

the other thing I wanted to ask you is I saw this video yesterday, and I I

not fairly long, but I just wanted your opinion on this. This this person basically said that,

all,

the reason why we have no rights

is because

should I let that,

song stuff go? Yeah. Let's let the whistleblower go by here. Alright. We'll be finished with the program here and, and and and see if we can address Julie's

question here. It's not finished yet. But, anyway, we'll be back tomorrow. Of course, it's Friday, and that means big Brent

Big Brent Winters is gonna be with us and is always exciting. And,

we love having Brent around to

tap his knowledge, which he's got a ton of.

So, we'll be back tomorrow. And, if you're so inclined, please be with us.

Usually,

that show with Brent was about the most popular show of the week. And don't forget, this afternoon, Paul, plug it again.

Paul English live, 3PM

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The Paul English live channel on Rumble. It will be on Global Voice Radio on Podholm.

And speaking of Podholm,

I don't know about you,

but Andy and I cannot wait to to

hear AI's description

of this show.

Stay tuned.

Okay.

AI might be frustrated.

Tell Paul I gave him a good plug last night, would you?

Hey. I might just have a nervous breakdown by the end of the day. We'll see.

We'll see.

Grok goes goes off on the side of the road. Okay. End of the show. I think we're off of, public broadcast.

Now, Julie, you want to finish up your question about some 19 exceptions, please?

Yeah. Well, that one I'm pretty much done with, but I wanted to just ask

Mark his comment. I saw this video yesterday where this individual is basically saying that the reason why we have no rights is because we don't have any common law courts in The United States anymore.

And we, but then he said we actually do have one, but you don't know where it's at. So he basically continued and said all judges and attorneys

are against you.

The entire system knows this,

but you've been basically said crapped on. He said, if you've ever been crapped on by a judge, a government officer, or an agent, go to the United States State's Court of Federal Claims. It's three buildings in front of the White House on the right side. It's a red building.

And he said that,

when the government does you wrong, the reason you get no answers is because your attorney took you to the wrong place. They're either used the word stupid or lying to you. And he said, if you go there and get a declare declaratory

I never can say that word declaratory

judgment of fact and law.

And, if you want to punish any judges,

you can't do that anymore because

they they moved all of those

three courts, they're called territory courts,

off the shores of The United States to Guam, Marion Islands, and US Virgin Islands, and that is where you have to go to get the judges punished. So Yeah. You basically concluded that you don't have any court, judges are out of control, and you don't have any place to punish them. I'd like to hear your expertise on that, Mark.

Well, if you and your paperwork,

that's the court, not a building, not a judge,

period. End of story.

As a national, you should be in common law

and representing yourself that way, and that puts you in that court, Period. I have thought we've got indications

that the US Court of Claims

is the last common law venue.

I don't know if that's true. It seems that it might be, Julie.

They also do vaccine cases

and and all kinds of special cases there,

and we've never had anyone go up there and test something.

Okay?

But I heard somebody named Wayne Haig, who you probably never heard of. He used to be married to Helen Chenoweth. He was a huge landowner in Nevada

who won his case at the Supreme Court posthumously.

And in the video interview, he said, we think the last common law court, the only common law court in the country, is the US Court of Claims.

I've seen other things that indicate that that may be true, but I've never really tested it. Your guy

probably doesn't know what we do, and he says you have no rights. You got all kinds of civil rights.

K?

So that's not a true statement and understanding on his side. Roger, breaking news.

Okay.

There's a hundred of Jews

there's hundreds of Jews protesting in New York in front of the I think they said the Trump Tower wearing t shirts that say not in our name. I guess they locked up some

Columbia

University

guy for protesting against the Yeah. Israel, you know, killing the Palestinians.

Yeah. And they they sent him to a detention center in Louisiana, and they're Yeah. The Jews are pissed, man. They are pissed. Okay. Well, I so much. So I why is Trump, and because this is the behest of his donors,

taking all these indictments, the other things where they go after these crooks, and we're going after some guy demonstrating at Columbia University

that's a student there that,

against Gaza. I mean, here's the problem

with these people still being into Trump's camp.

The priority

shift to something that just ain't that damn important to the country to me.

K? Thank you, Dave.

Now back to Julie.

That's about all I've got to weigh in on it. The guy doesn't know what we need. Last name?

Wayne who?

Wayne. You said somebody from a landowner in Nevada.

You were talking about a guy. Wayne

Hague, h a g e. I think

is the way you used to have a whole series of,

YouTubes on YouTube. That was years ago. I don't know if they're still there.

But you remember Helen Chenoweth?

No. And I was gonna ask you how you spell her last name. Oh, well, she's dead. She got killed in a car wreck, unfortunately. She was a gal from Idaho, real pretty gal, that wanted to run for congress and said I'm only gonna do one term, and that's what she did. She was, very staunch when she was up there, and she ended up marrying Wayne Hague. And then she got killed in an automobile accident, unfortunately.

Well, that's sad.

Well, I'd I'd like to follow-up on the court of claims. Please do. Please do. From everything I can tell, it's not a common law court.

Its primary

purpose is to bring

monetary

suits

against the federal government.

And,

and here's

I learned this from Charlie because I always believed that

when you walked into a court, you had to invoke

common law jurisdiction.

And Charlie had talked to a I don't know if you remember Charlie, one of our our listeners who used to contribute quite a bit,

very, very sharp lady.

She talked about a professor said, Well, Charlie, it's like a blender.

You

know,

you got all these jurisdictions that the court can cover.

And then on top of that, Brent Winters really solidified this in my mind. He said, it depends on what you get.

I was like,

So it is like what you you can't put your finger on common law until it's in front of your face, I believe is the way he said it.

But what he meant by that is

it depends on the facts

of your case and the law that would apply to it.

So we have equity, we got common law, we got Admiralty, we got maritime.

If I was out in a commercial fishing boat,

I'd have different laws that would apply to me

as opposed to potentially common law.

So it really depends on the facts of your case

and you can bring that forward to the court

and let them know that this is under common law and hold their feet to the fire.

Don't let them try to take it into some other, you know, line of like Court of Equity. Now I will say this,

I've read a few cases on this. When you go into a court

it's automatically

presumed to be a Court of Equity

right out of the gate, Court of Equity.

So if you're if you're under or if you're trying to

operate under a different jurisdiction in that court

then you need to bring out that this is a common law issue. And now you got to back it up. Why is it a common law issue? You're going to have to explain

why the court must rule

under common law

in that particular situation.

A matter of fact, if you go into federal court,

if you have a separate if you bring an issue and lump it in with a state issue and it's lumped in with a federal issue,

the courts can look at that and say, well, you've got this other claim here that's not really falling under federal law. You're going to have to separate it out of this case.

You're going to, you know, dismiss it or withdraw it and take it to the state to have that adjudicated.

So it's the patriots have done

a a really disservice

to freedom seekers

and running around and trying, like Roger said, trying to figure out a way that

that, they can uphold their rights, and they'll say, well, we don't have any rights. And

they're just

I you know, this is not directed to you, Julie, but I get so many people saying, well, so and so says this and so and so says that. Oh, amen. And what what do you think? And I'm like, you know, really, I'm not here to compare what we do, what Roger's message is to their message.

They really need to compare their message to ours because I'm telling you,

I walked away from the Patriot Group because of all this baloney.

And and it wasn't until a friend of mine, Chuck Ward, a beekeeper

and a and a, woodworker

and, you know, just

a super good guy down to earth,

salt of the earth. Very true. And he told me about Roger. He just said he just said Roger. You know, Roger this, Roger that. It's like a little kid, you know, just got a new friend. And he's just going on and on about Roger.

And

and so,

it wouldn't until I heard Roger in in on on Republic Broadcasting Network, RBN, Tom Dee's over there, And and, our Murr,

Bailey, she's got a show there on Sundays.

And so

I heard Roger, and and then I got on you know, started listening to his show, and and then boom, you know, I had that moment.

And really,

the feudal system

and your status as a national,

it's the holy grail.

And people

struggle people struggle because it's so simple,

but they they just can't believe it's that simple.

That's right. But it is. Go ahead, Jared.

Julie. Yep. Yes. That's why they do all the fear. That's the all the fear and intimidation and stuff is because they know how easy it is to get out of it, and they don't want you even broaching anywhere near that. Go ahead, Julie.

Okay. So I'm sorry. I wanted to ask you, Mark. So you said that when we walk into a court, we're under a court of equity, but then Roger says we're under the law of merchant.

Can you guys please explain that?

Well, the law of merchants depends on who the plaintiff is. Go ahead, Roger.

The law of merchants is simply a body of law dealing with contracts, Julie.

Okay.

A lot of people

who really

looked at this that I

read are basically saying that

the court, the people in it, etcetera, are not the court.

It's the paperwork

and it's your representation of that.

In the book of the hundreds, you've got a list of recommended study materials

regarding Christian common law.

Let me read you some of the titles.

The theory of the common law,

handbook of common law pleadings,

principles of the common law pleading,

the form of actions at common law,

the spirit of the common law,

Walker's book of forms 1841,

Ambers Walker,

the law of custom and usage 1881,

Brown and Clark,

the elements of law of torts,

Anderson on sheriff's,

you know, and they got one here by Roscoe Pound. That's the one, the spirit of the common law. It's an excellent discourse

by one of the best writers of the Puritan

basis

of the Christian common law in The States.

I think he was at Harvard. I think he was a law professor at Harvard, Roscoe Pound.

I think so. He was big in the patriot movement at one point. Yes. Yes.

But, yeah,

the paperwork,

you've got to come in there and

three eight that court,

the way it looks to me. And

the key to that is being a national because otherwise,

you're just a slave walking in there.

Yep.

Yep. Thank you.

Yep. Gotcha.

Yes. Sketch.

Sketch.

Yeah. I just wanted to mention

yeah. Just wanted to mention be before you go,

you wanted to do what? That,

you know,

I just wanted to can you hear me?

Yeah. I can. It's the speaker phone that distorts a little bit. Just you said you wanted to what before I go?

I just wanted to say say say something before I you go.

Okay.

I enjoyed rinse very much. It was,

focused,

precise, and concise.

And,

I do wanna mention that next time you do get on, if if,

Paul sent, rinse an email

of,

the letter to Woodrow Wilson by Mandel House,

and I sure wish that was,

discussed. But,

for further

review, yeah, for further review. But I wanted to go back to the AI thing.

You know, if we if we could do the dialectic

and,

and turn

the surveillance

and AI

onto the government,

it would either be honest government or there would be no government at all because Well, I think that's I think that's what we do now. Mark did that yesterday that he read us with AI against the government. It's very straightforward

and accurate on what's going on.

Yep. Yep. And and I just want wanna read that just say the one sentence. The very word secrecy is repugnant

in a free and open society. Well Thank you, John.

If we if we could turn turn

turn the tables on them and and surveil them, the the representatives,

you know, we'd be better off or we wouldn't have government at all. Were you talking about the representatives or the employees of government? Because I think that's what Doge is doing to them.

Yeah. Oh, don't worry. They're coming after some of these congressmen,

Sketch. I mean, the the whole thing break on ActBlue that's breaking right now.

And,

that one particular little Jasmine,

whatever

bitch name is from Saint Louis, I think she is.

They've got her good to rights

on

ActBlue, giving tons of money to her.

There there can be some things coming on that, holding some of these feet to the fire. I hope if they'll start kick if they'll stop going and kicking Palestinian

demonstrators out of the country and taking all of their manpower and putting it on them instead of going arresting Merrick Garland,

Weisman,

and all these creeps.

Yep.

I I yield appreciate you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Skip. Roger.

Yes, Dave.

Yeah.

I'll try to be brief. There was a little riff with,

Mark and, Merica earlier, and I had to get off. But I'd like to chime in about that. You know, Merica was right about the licensing and stuff. But the certificate, that's not a license, and that's not the government issuing that. That's just a certificate of completion

that we completed this course on being a national. I think it's fantastic, and I think it should go with our affidavit

to the

to the government and letting them know that, hey. Look. We've completed our applicate or our our certificate of completion that proves we're nationals,

and we know this stuff like the back of our hand. Just like when you bring in someone to be a US citizen, and they gotta take a hundred question test in order to become that. Right? Right. So I think it's great, and I really think it should be included with everybody's affidavit, and I yield. No. I was trying to I was trying to differentiate those two for the sake of that moment.

Okay. Anybody else got anything for me? I'm taking off otherwise.

Alright. Well, we'll see you.

Yes. Roger?

Yes?

I'm sorry. I just wanted to make a

a a quick comment to Connor Martin that if he had ever heard of nonlawyer

maxim.

No. I've not heard of that.

N n double a c p versus Button

three seven one

u s four one five.

Members of groups

who are competent nonlawyers

can assist other members of the group achieve the goals of the group in court

without being charged with unauthorized

practice of law. Well, that that's a I'm familiar with that. Okay. I'm I'm familiar with that.

The practice of law cannot be licensed by any small estate, capital estate

Right. So where we the board of examiners.

Yep. There is there is law

is an occupation

of common rights.

Okay. You're aware of that?

The side note to that is you have to be part of that group.

And so they had,

they had, like, a private membership association. That's what I was gonna say. That's the that's NAACP,

and they had members that were representing their group and and helping other individuals,

and

they they allowed that.

Okay.

Litigants can assist can be assisted by unlicensed

layman during judicial

proceedings,

Brotherhood of Claimant versus Virginia.

Yeah. I'm learning state board.

I'm trying to think of the the guy's last name. His first name is Parl.

He's he's passed away here,

not too long ago, but he taught private member associations

in, Texas.

And I had the pleasure of going through a weekend course with him

and, his assistants. And now his his wife and daughter run that

and we went through all those cases that you're talking about so it's very

Carl.

Now he was in Texas

and they had a private membership group. This is a funny story,

Roger you're gonna love this.

So he was allowed to assist

the guy that was in front of the court. He was a defendant

but he was part of his private membership association

and

they would ask

the defendant, his friend, a question and he would

turn to, Carl and Carl would whisper in his ear what to say.

And then finally the judge says, can we just bypass the middleman? You just go ahead and and told Carl to speak freely.

And so Carl represented that guy.

So,

yeah, it's it's very interesting.

There's a lot of nuance to that, but I've never heard of the maxims of non lawyers. Is that right?

Yeah. Lawyer non lawyer maxims.

Never heard of that. Nonlawyer maxims. Thank you for that. Worth look worth looking up. Thank you.

Yeah. Anybody else got the Okay. Okay. One more. The most powerful court in America

is not the United States Supreme Court,

but rather the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.

Forty two p a

c s a

five zero two.

I'm done. Thank you.

You're saying the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania

overrides the US Supreme Court?

According to this 42pa.cc.s.a.50two.

Okay. Well, I think that's wishful thinking, but whatever.

Alright. Anybody else have anything for me today, or I'm I'm taking off. Okay?

I will see y'all tomorrow with

have a thank you, sir. I may go back to bed, quite frankly.

I'll, see y'all tomorrow with, with Brent. You think I'm kidding? I'll see y'all tomorrow with Brent. Ciao.

Adios.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. According

to, one of the,

I guess, he was a prosecutor

in in in in Florida in the fifties.

He puts that as the date when they stopped using common law pleadings

and went to statutory.

So this is not all that new,

that we should go back to these common law pleadings and understand what that means and how to present them and probably having a good book on the subject would be helpful.

And that's the Handbook of Common Law Pleadings in 1923

by Benjamin Shipman

and Henry Ballantine.

It's six forty one pages.

He says it's the finest book on common law pleading

available then and today.

And I think that's truly, as nationals,

where we need to be and understand it better.

Alright. Thank you, Samuel.

I think it's about time to take the showdown for today. Thank you so much for joining us with a Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on eurofolkradio.com,

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Forward moving and focused on freedom. You're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.

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