In this episode, we delve into the intricacies of national status and the implications of allegiance and protection within the legal framework. Our host, Roger Sayles, explores the historical context of allegiance, drawing from the feudal system and its relevance today, particularly in relation to the Nationality Act of 1940. The discussion highlights the reciprocal obligations of allegiance and protection, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's legal status and the protections it entails. Listeners are encouraged to consider the implications of their legal standing and the potential benefits of filing an affidavit to assert their national status.
We also touch on the complexities of the legal system post-1938, discussing the impact of the Erie Railroad v. Tompkins case and its role in merging equity with common law. The conversation includes insights into the challenges faced by individuals navigating the legal system, particularly in relation to trust management and property sales without traditional identification numbers. The episode provides a platform for listeners to engage with these topics, offering a space for questions and clarifications on legal matters affecting personal sovereignty and freedom.
In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles delves into the intricacies of national status and the legal frameworks surrounding it. The discussion covers the historical context of allegiance and protection, drawing from ancient feudal systems and their relevance to modern legal interpretations. Roger and his guests explore the implications of being a national versus a state citizen, referencing various legal cases and statutes to clarify these distinctions. The conversation also touches on the challenges of navigating the legal system, particularly in relation to tax obligations and the use of Social Security numbers. Listeners are also treated to a lively discussion about the impact of historical legal cases such as Erie Railroad v. Tompkins and their influence on current legal practices. The episode features a diverse range of opinions and insights from callers, including questions about the implications of common law trusts and the process of filing affidavits to change one's legal status. Throughout the episode, Roger emphasizes the importance of understanding one's legal rights and the historical context that shapes them, providing a platform for listeners to engage with complex legal concepts in a practical and accessible way.
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Yep. From fifty fifty four years ago, Alvin Lee, ten years after, a bit ahead of his time. I'd say if you're not familiar with that song, I'm sure all of you have been exposed to it, but you probably didn't get the lyrics. Some of the other lyrics are everywhere are dykes and fairies, creeps and harries. Tell me where is sanity. Alvin, we got some sanity for this bunch right here. We're gonna try and invoke it on them today. Roger Sales here, your host in the radio ranch, name of our program, and we're assisted by a number of other very, very generous platforms that give us their platform and their time to extend our reach. And we want to reciprocally give them the credit and the recognition that is due for their efforts. Don't we, Paul? Yes. We certainly do. However We darn sure do. Not so generous today. The only platforms we're on Oh, no. Is
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radioSoapbox.com. Thanks to our buddy Paul across the drink. And EurofolkRadio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James and Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio. Global Voice Radio dot net. And our website, thematrixdocs.com, has links to both Eurofolk and Global Voice. It also has links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. Maybe that's what everybody's doing. They're joining they're just joining us in Could be, you know, we
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there doesn't have to be a whole bunch of them to be generous. We can even be more generous if there's less of them. So we can heap all kinds of good stuff on them. And we sure do appreciate them and thank them for their efforts in the well, hell trying to straighten the world out a little bit. You you know? Boy, the world is a cattywampus today. There's so many lies flying around on top of lies and lies and lies, and we try and cut through it and get to the truth here and give you some sort of a foundation where you can put things in proper place in in proper perspective.
Because if you don't, you don't have a correct view of the world, and we want you to because the whole thing is designed to clean your clock. It's like you're a blade of grass, and they're a big lawnmower. And every time you grow up a little bit, they wanna trim you back, and they wanna try and set things up to have you make wrong decisions that benefit them. And, they've done a great job of it. And that's one of the things this information does is straighten you back out where you can make correct decisions, and, that way, feather your nest for the future.
So, anyway, here we go. Wednesday edition day after the, April Fool's Day. We're glad that only comes around one day a year. And, I hope you, if you're still, paying the beast that you got your little, your little receipts all tallied up and your little paperwork all done with the calculator probably took most of the weekend. And you got your, your return in the mail either. Oh, I don't know. Maybe might have waited till yesterday. Anyway, probably many of our people didn't have to do that. You may wanna ask them about it. But if you did, I'm sure sorry you're still in that quagmire of lies.
Boy, is it beast. So, it's incredible what these people have done, and they took away our tariffs, which should run the world, but run the country the best it's ever been run really fiscally from about 1870 until about 1913, that pivotal year. And, we've been on in the we've been slouching toward I use a what's his name's book title, Bork. I remember Bork, the guy that tried to get on the Supreme Court conservative. They even put a new verb in the lexicon to bork bork somebody. And he wrote a book called slouching towards Gomorrah.
And, we're slouching towards Gomorrah's certainly our majority of the world. So, anyway, that's where we are. Good morning, to you that have joined us. And those of you who may be listening, no telling where. So it's a beautiful day in Ecuador. We've had three, two that we're looking to hope today is the same and follow us through. But it it appears, Paul, it appears that's the best way to put it. It appears that we have, turned the corner on our rainy season winter ish weather, and, we're having these lovely mostly cloudless days. Couple of them in a row was hoping this there's more to follow because that's the usual weather pattern around here. It just goes squirrely in the spring.
And, anyway, hopefully, that'll pan out because it's a mighty pretty morning, and, we're kinda sick of the clouds and the rain quite actually. But, boy, by the time I got home from lunch yesterday, it was, hot. Like, yikes, back into the summer stuff. So, anyway, that's what we're going through here, welcoming change in the weather, and I hope that yours is getting a little warmer and there's some flowers popping up. And, of course, the masters is always timed for the height of the blooming of the azaleas, because there's a lot of azaleas on there and, makes that course extra beautiful.
And, so, anyway, we're into that part of the year. Happy spring. Hope everything's working out for you. Do we, by any chance, the show, by the way, if you don't know and you're new, you stumbled on this somehow. The show is for you, the new people, the folks that are looking for freedom. You're our target audience. And, even more so if you're just getting into this, you're still a bit confused. It can be confusing to some. And, because they've enslaved you in your mind, and you're wanting to know more about it, or you're wanting to be a bona fide truth seeker. Well, man, you're our kind of guy or gal. K?
So, if you're in one of those conditions and you got questions, please hit star six, open the mic, and say, hey, Roger, and we'll recognize you and try and address your query. Yes, Paul? Yes?
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Yeah. And we'll give you a minute or two to thaw out so you can, so your fingers work to, to hit the button. I don't know about anybody else, but I woke up at below 30 degrees with snow on the ground.
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Yikes. Well, good morning. That's ridiculous.
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It's April. Come on. April showers, pre made flowers, not April snowflakes.
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This is Easter week, folks. Easter week. Mhmm. I hearken back, because, what? Two days is Good Friday. And, in my youth when I lived, with my parents, still a high school ish type, age bracket. I was in Anchorage, Alaska on Elmendorf Air Force Base. And on that Good Friday, thank god, the schools were closed. They used to they still used to recognize Good Friday and Christian traditions back then. And because school is closed, there's no students in there. We had a very modern high school. I think it cost more to build our high school than it did to buy the state of Alaska. A few years involved in between the two, but, but they had let our school out. And, fortunately, that was the case because about half of the Second Floor of the school caved in. And there have been an awful lot of casualties, then. Me, possibly one of them.
But, anyway, that was many years ago, and I don't think the dates will coincide because the changing around of Easter. But, yeah, quite a, quite an experience for a young man. I think I was 15. And, man, we because you didn't have to be 16 to go get booze anymore because all the, all the liquor stores, that earthquake of that severity ended up with a lot of their stock on the floor broken. And so anybody that had funds that came along, they'd they'd be happy to sell you some. So, as a young man of that age, I was endeavoring in some of that stuff. It's very interesting. I remember one particular incident then, Paul, And right down on 4 Anchorage has Fourth Avenue and then Fifth Avenue. And on Fifth Avenue, they had, built a new JCPenney big JCPenney store.
And when that earthquake hit, a lot of the frontal siding, I guess, it was rock and stuff they'd put up on the side of the building, and my a lot of that came down. And, so I was, downtown with some of my friends there, and, they had machine gun nests set up on the corners for looting and all that kind of stuff. But I remember I was, I was smoking back then, you know, and I went to light a cigarette. Paul, it's an interesting story. And some guy in the next block saw what I was doing. You know, don't light that cigarette. And it was right around that JC Penney's building, and there was all kinds of gas leaks and stuff.
And, heck, I could have blown the whole city up, you know, being like clockwork orange. At least the block. And without even being intentional and stuff. But, but, yeah, that's pretty wild experience to live through. I still remember a lot of it. We were talking about it with somebody that has, had lived in Alaska the other day at lunch a couple weeks ago because he lived in Anchorage. He's familiar with that. And he would also live down in Homer, Alaska, which is South of Anchorage on the Kenai Peninsula. I've talked about it before. I think it's got to be one of the most stunningly beautiful spots on God's green earth is Homer, H 0 M E R, Alaska. It's just stunning, man. I mean, it really is a, a breathtaking, sight when you come over the hill and look down in the valley of well, across the the the it's right at the, entrance of Cook Inlet.
So if you look to the right, you've got the opening where it goes to the Gulf Of Alaska and all the ship traffic goes in and out. And if you look immediately to the left, there's this long bay called Kachemak Bay at about a 45 degree angle to Cook Inlet. And, the whole other side of Kachemak Bay there, there are mountains. There's a mountain range there. You can see 11 glaciers from that point of view. And, then Kachemak Bay, they feed down and melt down into Kachemak Bay, and it's this beautiful, beautiful, glacial blue, you know, that kind of milky blue.
And then right towards the Kachemak Bay where it connects into Cook Inlet right in front of you there, because of the tide 22 feet twice a day, sometimes moving a lot of sand, and it has deposited that sand into a five mile spit. So there's a natural spit of deposited dirt and sand and stuff from these tides and this interaction of g geography there. And, there's a five mile spit that sticks out into this beautiful ice glacial Blue Bay. And then in the fall, if you're there, because we were always there in August, and, the state flower of Alaska is a fireweed.
And so on this hill you're standing on looking at this gorgeous scene is all just solid red, fire fireweed red. And then there's a glacial blue, beautiful contrast, and this I mean, it's just stunning. Just this stunning scene in front of you. Homer, Alaska, if you ever get a chance to go up there, you might wanna think about it. And, of course, that is where for a while, Tom Bodette lived. Remember mister Bodette there, Paul? We'll leave the light on for you. And, that was where he chose to, be domiciles. He probably resided there, but let's just try and give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he might have been domiciled there. Anyway, quite a, quite a it's a vision that's just in my mind from my youth, and I call it up. I can just see it. You know? Beautiful Yeah. Beautiful spot on the world if you ever get the chance. Don't don't not go there.
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So anyway Hey, Rod. Rum and stuff. Yes, Paul. You were talking about a book, Slouching Towards Gomorrah. Slouching. Slouching. Slouching. Slouching towards Gomorrah. I did find that. It's on archive.org, and I dropped a link in the, free conference call chat. There is a poem at the beginning by William Butler Yeats.
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Yeah. What does he say? Because Bork was a pretty sharp guy. Bork Bork, the guy they kept off the Supreme Court, unfortunately, was a pretty sharp guy and very conservative. Why don't you give us this poem we put in the front of his book, slouching towards Gomorrah?
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Yeah. And there's a good reason why William Butler Yeats's, the second coming is probably the most quoted poem of our time. The image of the world disintegrating, then to be subjected to a brutal force speaks to our fears now. The second coming, burning and turning in the widening gyre. The falcon cannot hear the falconer. Things fall apart. The center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. The blood dimmed tide is loosed and everywhere. The ceremony of innocence is drowned. The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.
Surely, some revelation is at hand. Surely, the second coming is at hand. The second coming. Hardly are those words out when a vast image out of a spiritus Monday troubles my sight somewhere in sands of the desert. A shape with lion body in the head of a man, a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun is moving its slow thighs while all about it, real shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again, but now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, and what rough beast, it's hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born.
William Butler Yeats. Wrote that in 1919.
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Wow. And he took that and just substituted, Gomorrah for Bethlehem. Anyway, he was quite the conservative. I don't know if he's still with us or not. That was back in the nineties or the eighties. I know. And, as I said, they put a whole new verb in the lexicon to to bork someone, meant to put into these, all these hurdles and crap that these assholes like Ted Kennedy would put people like mister Bork through and then get them, denied for a Supreme Court spot. Go ahead, Paul.
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And it's important to note that this is Robert h Bork, not l b Bork.
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Oh, please. Thank you.
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Thank you. The link the, the PDF is 983 pages long. That's a good afternoon read. And link is in the chat.
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And, of course, mister Boer said, I could turn this around a couple of months. But but then the unspoken part was, but everybody's gotta buy my book for a hundred dollars first. Yeah. Okay. No. No, no motives there. So, anyway, here we're off on a Wednesday morning. Anybody got anything you'd like to bring up? There's some interesting things that are happening around this. Looks like we got a black white issue or so building again. And if they are going to try and make this the summer of love twenty five, these types of incidents add inertia and emotion to their plan.
But does anybody have anything to say first? It's pretty quiet. There's somebody. There's somebody in it. As Larry. Yes, sir.
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Yeah. Am I coming in clear? Is there a lot of noise? No. You're alright as long as you're talking. Yeah. Question for Paul, and then I have another, comment. I thought he was, moving to Georgia. He said it's there's snow on the ground, and it's really cold. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's 32 degrees right now.
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It was below 30 when I woke up, and there's a dusting of snow on the ground.
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You ain't in Georgia? In Georgia?
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No. I ain't in Georgia yet.
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He's working towards it, though. I'm working toward it.
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I'm working on
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it.
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Oh, okay. Great. Yeah. Getting back to, when you started the show off with, talking about yesterday was the, the date for tax being due. If you're owed a refund, you don't have to go by the April 15 due date. That's just FYI. That's right. True for both US citizens and nationals because, obviously, if you have a national that's attempting to get all of their withholdings back and they complete a 10 40 m r, they don't even have to go by that due date because they're getting a full refund. And even a US citizen, if they're getting a a refund, which will be a partial, you know, amount of their withholdings.
They they don't have to go by the April 15 due date either. It's only if you owe the IRS money. And another thing is if you if you file early, if you ever have to go by if you ever have to do the revocation of election or whatever or if if you have to go by a certain date, it automatically defaults to the April 15 date. So, for example, if you filed in February and, you know, your tax return, whether you're owed money or you had to pay in money, according to the IRS rules, that automatically defaults to the April 15 date. So just FYI.
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Okay. Thank you, I think. Yeah. If you owe them money, they want it. And if they owe you money, they don't care if you file for it or not. Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it, there?
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Exactly. That's why, yesterday when I read that that, article from USA Today, their IRS is trying to get people to file for 2021 because there's still a mill a one a little bit over a billion dollars on the table that they that they haven't paid out for refunds.
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Yeah. Well, I'm sure they wanna get you that back. Yeah. That was the first year of COVID. A lot of people didn't file. Everything's still kinda in some confusion somewhat from that. But all I know is I'm not responsible, and they don't reach out to me anymore. So good luck, boys and girls, and hopefully, you can find your way through the maze of of, what what was, what was Wilson's language, burdensome and antiquated tax code administered by foreign agents. And, of course, that story, revolving around that incident, I've told it a few times, especially, I think we've mentioned it here lately.
Pardon me from my stomach reacting to my drink here this morning. That was the very first thing I ever found when I really went looking for stuff on my own to Cobb County Library. You didn't have any of this on the Internet. And reference section. There was a red book. I remember it was red. And, it was, important legal documents in history. So I grabbed it and I knew the year we were talking about was twenty nineteen thirteen already. And so I started looking around in that time frame, and, bam, there's this little short you can go look at it on the web. I encourage you to look at it. It's called Woodrow Wilson's repudiation of dollar diplomacy.
Woodrow Wilson, repudiation of dollar diplomacy. And must have been pretty early in mister Wilson's tenure because they didn't have their hooks into him yet. And as he says in that communication that, that he was approached by a consortium. That's a very nice word, a consortium of bankers. He didn't wanna say a cartel of bankers. He used consortium. So a consortium of bankers to, cosign on a loan to China for a hundred million dollars, so they could help establish and build railroads and help establish this one, this great country still looking for a way to solidify its citizenry or something eloquent like that.
And, it says one of the main reasons that they will refuse to cosign was because of the, the political, some of the political implications of the treaty that might go straight to the heart of the country here as they're starting to wake up to democracy. Again, something along that effect. And so, mister Wilson declined it. And then in the verbiage, he said it was one of the main reasons was the tax system that was antiquated and burdensome and administered by foreign agents. So we've it's in my book. I've excerpted some of that in the book, and it was I tried to turn people onto it. Many people couldn't understand it at that time or so my friend David Strait told me. And, they were pretty simple to me.
Right there on the surface, that's a blueprint, and that's how they do all the countries. So we went along for many years knowing that and referring to it and whatnot. And then, right during COVID, I got a real itch to start studying China. And, the program I would watch is called, I think, China in Focus, and it's on YouTube. And, sponsored by the funds behind it is the epic times, which is one of the better news organizations, I think, in the whole world these days, quite frankly. It's a Chinese guy behind it, rampant anti communist, had made a bunch of money doing something, and he backs up at times.
So there's, the guy's name is Phillips. I wanna say Judd Phillips, but I know that's not right. But it's the guy that represents that at times is on a lot of especially video stuff. His last name is Phillips, and he's talking to this gal on one of the programs I was watching. Older gal, nice suit, dressed in a nice suit. And, she is the head of the organization that helps countries settle bond deficits by trading out debt. An attorney, very sharp. And, she was telling the story and she said specifically, I have met this first term. I have met with president Trump, and he knows about this. All knows about what?
Well, back in those days, evidently, the consortium of bankers went ahead and loaned China the hundred million dollars even though woods Wilson wouldn't sign for it. So what did they want Wilson to sign, cosign for? So he could send the military in there and give a muscle and leverage on the payback, on the burdensome and antiquated, tax system, etcetera? And so, what this lady and I do not remember her name. I'm sorry to say. This lady was saying that that's what we do is we trade debts out every day. There's nothing unusual at all. It's what we do. And so she went on to tell the story that that hundred million dollars boy, this is a really good example of compound interest for you too, being the eighth wonder of the world.
The, the the Chinese is up holding up to their reputation, never paid a single payment on any of the bond issue. That was from about 1913. And so but they loaned them the money anyway. And so we went all those years with not a single payment. We got them into the transition of being a whatever country they were to a communist country. Mao Mao killed more people than any other dictator in history. Paul, do you know about what he did to the sparrows? Do you know the sparrows incident over there during Mao?
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No.
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No? Really? No. Oh, you can go find it on YouTube. Well, he got to the point where he thought the people weren't hungry, weren't get have enough food because the the little English sparrow, little innocent English sparrow was eating all their grain. And so he put out a, dictum to the country to never let a sparrow rest. If they ever were on a tree or anything on your property, you'd get out there and keep them flying all the time. And he eventually killed all the sparrows in China, this method. This is true story. You can go find it. K? And, so then because the sparrow was gone, they weren't eating the grain. They were eating the insects that attacked the grain. So now they had a full blown famine.
Okay? Because of his ignorant, stupid communist decisions. Okay? They actually had to go to England and get sparrows and bring them back to China to repopulate and and have any sparrows there to get things back in equilibrium. That's true story, folks. Go look it up. Okay? That's how wacko these people are. So anyway, they never paid a payment on any of that loans. And so when
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England I remember. You went to or Pardon
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me? Remember when that happened, the the Sparrowdale is trade.
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Yeah. It's true. It's hard to it's hard to believe, Joe, but it's true. K? So, anyway, after that, they they still didn't pay any of these payments on this hundred million dollar loan. So when England want went to give back Hong Kong and whatever concessions they made in that deal, part of the agreement was they had to pay off the English bondholders, which were probably the Rothschilds. If it you know? Rothschilds probably went back and found out who the bondholders were and paid them maybe 50¢ on the dollar, 20 cents on the dollar, got their bonds because they knew this was being cooked up. And so when when they paid all those off, it I'm sure it went to the Rothschilds. Okay. So they paid off about half of the bond issue from 1913 to the Rothschilds, mostly. Maybe been some other, quote, unquote, oligarchs there.
But what she then, told us on that program was there's 20,000 bondholders from this bond issue in The US. And, of course, China hates The US. They, again, had never paid them one single penny on them $20,000 bonds. And so now whatever the amount was, let's say 50,000,000 just for grins, was now worth 1,700,000,000,000.0. So that compound interest had gone all almost from 50,000,000 to a hundred and 7,000,000,000,000. That, folks, is compound interest. That, folks, is why our enemies like it so much, and they like their usury so much because they just get flat rich over it. K?
So, that was the deal now. She said earlier in the interview that Trump knew this. She'd spoken with him about it personally in his office, And I I've never heard it brought up. It's only from those two incidents that this was the first piece of paper I ever found that indicted these people in some degree. And and there was this loan, and now all of a sudden, all these years later, the loan's popping up unpaid. And these stories go behind it. So, but what Trump could do, I probably could still do it. He goes to those bondholders. There's 20,000 of them and gives them well, let's say he's gonna be real generous, Joe, and he gives them a dime on the dollar. So they get 10¢ on the dollar of what that's mounted up to with compound interest, but they never see that otherwise. If they don't take that payoff from somebody at some amount, it's just a worthless piece of paper. Okay?
So Trump could have bought those bonds at a hundred thousand dollars, hundred and 70 thousand dollars, something like that, 10¢ on the dollar, and gone back in every month when we had to pay China, just pay their own debt back to them that they never honored. And so he and that's like I said, I've never seen it brought up. I could never put it together if I didn't know the first on that piece of paper in that deal, and then all these years later see the repercussions of it with nonpayment. And, Trump could really put them over the barrel with this. So we'll see if it ever comes up or not. At least we know about it. And, I sure wish mister Trump would pull the trigger and say, hey, Chi. I got this style pile of debt right here, and it's yours.
And you gotta honor it, and I'm gonna feed it back to you. Because at that time, we only owe them 1,200,000,000,000.0. We had a hun 1,700,000,000,000.0 of their debt sitting there. We just still been a half a trillion dollars ahead. We'll see if that ever comes out or not, but it is a true story. And, it's quite interesting, and it really is a great example to show you the power of compound interest. K? One of the best examples I've ever seen, actually, in real life. So, anyway, that's, that's that going on. Does anybody have any comments on that? Well, you're a really quiet bunch today.
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Roger.
[00:32:29] Unknown:
There's somebody. I think it's a female. Yes, ma'am. Is that Julie?
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Robbie.
[00:32:36] Unknown:
Robbie Robbie. Hello.
[00:32:38] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. One of the big issues right now is the Real ID that Trump is pushing. Yes. And many are calling it. Well Many are calling it mark of the beast because you won't be able to do anything about
[00:32:54] Unknown:
Trump's not pushing it. Kristi Noem brought it up. He may even not hardly know about it, but that's correct. It's becoming an issue, and he didn't bring it up. He's not pushing it. Kristi Noem, the what do they call her now? Her new nickname is the ice Barbie, you know, because she's dressing up in all these uniforms and outfits and purtying herself up and everything to go out there and hold gun at people's head and threaten people. Well, that's the ice Barbie. She brought it up.
[00:33:26] Unknown:
K? Well, I have heard other sources saying that Trump is also pushing it, But it's a very serious thing, and, I'm very concerned about it. I did post in the I did post in the chat, and I sent you an email with the info. Don't okay. Don't be concerned.
[00:33:45] Unknown:
Just go get yourself a passport because a passport will suffice for it. Okay? Do you do much flying, Robbie? Robbie? Rob? Roger. Hold on. I wanna ask Robbie a question. Do you do much flying? No. I don't. Okay. Well, that's the only thing it affects is getting into government buildings and flying. But if you wanna get around it, go get a passport. That suffices. Okay? For everybody in the audience. Alright? So, yes, Larry. Thank you, Robbie.
[00:34:19] Unknown:
Yeah. This, this whole notion of a a beast system, the mark of the beast, in my opinion, that's just a doctrine and a creation of Christian Zionism and probably shouldn't have anything to worry about all of that, what I believe to be nonsense. And, get back to what you're talking about, compound interest. So there's nothing wrong with compound interest. Right? It's just it it just depends on if it's being used for good or evil. Correct?
[00:34:50] Unknown:
Well, I guess you could say that. I think, interest is kinda outlawed in our our Christian area, and the one that let it back in is, oh, the Switzerland guy. I I his name escaped. Calvin. Calvinism. Calvin. John Calvin is the one that brought that back in. He was a very scholastically oriented person. There's some evidence he might had some Jewish connections in his background, but he's the one that let he turned a question from interest or no interest to how much is usury. How much interest is usury? Oh, this is the line. If it's over this percentage, it's usury. If under, it's not. So he kinda changed the perspective on it. This is my understanding, Larry. Calvin, John Calvin.
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Right. Because, I mean, obviously, a lot of students have retirement accounts. Like, I have Vanguard. And, I mean, you know, you're making money, I guess, based on compound interest. And so I I would think that that's a kind of a, an amoral type of situation. It's either moral nor immoral. It depends on how you Right. Use it for good or bad. Right?
[00:36:05] Unknown:
Right. I guess so. I guess it could be construed that way. I prefer I don't have any compound interest. I don't have any retirement accounts. I bought a bunch of gold. And in the last twenty something years, it's been the highest performing asset in the world over any of those other usurers no matter what the amount is. So I'm I wasn't enriched by usury. I was enriched by the, price, and the spot price of gold. But, you know, now, Larry, gold's up to $3,200. Okay? Well, I bought mine as considerably cheaper than that. So did did the the value of the gold go up from 300 to $3,200?
[00:36:46] Unknown:
Well, it's the it's the loss of, buying power of dollar bill. It's it's the paper.
[00:36:54] Unknown:
It's the paper that has lost that amount. Gold didn't go up that much. The paper lost that much of its purchasing power.
[00:37:02] Unknown:
Right. That's exactly what I'm saying.
[00:37:04] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. I'm just clarifying it. So yeah. Yep. That's where we are. So, anyway, I'm I I hope some of y'all, we keep preaching here to if you got any extra shekels laying around, you might wanna go find some gold or silver to buy because, man, we're headed for some sort of a financial calamity. Now how much Trump's gonna be able to downplay that? I don't know. These people are hell bent. They've got very powerful controls, obviously, to accomplish what they need. But, the better position you're in, the better position, the better your weather, whatever's coming. So just stay. Just write that on a rock and bury it. Okay? It was not advice. It's just a suggestion.
But I promise you that's coming.
[00:37:52] Unknown:
So, This is Chris from California. Hey, Chris. Hey, buddy. How are you doing this morning? Good morning. Just fine. Just fine. It's a good morning out here in California. Good. I was, looking on on the Internet, about some you know, to find out, you know, in from what I could about, nationals and so forth. And I found that the general, take on the Internet, I would assume among the propaganda, is that, the national movement is, is on the rise up to about 300,000 people, they estimate. Mhmm. And, they equate nationals with it says it's the newer breed of the,
[00:38:34] Unknown:
of the sovereign citizen movement. I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming. Yeah. And,
[00:38:40] Unknown:
but I was looking around, and I found something, the UScode.house.gov. I don't know if you're familiar with the publication l, nine nine nine two three ninety
[00:38:52] Unknown:
six. No. I don't think I'm six. I don't think I'm familiar with it once you inform us. Okay.
[00:38:58] Unknown:
Okay. It says the amendment made by section a, amending this section shall apply to persons born before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this act. In case of a person born before the date of the enactment of this act. Are you gonna be around? Yes.
[00:39:20] Unknown:
Hold hold on just a second, Chris. Please, whoever's listening has got your mic open and having a conversation in the background. Chris's audio is always a bit faint anyway, and this is, somewhat of complex legislation type stuff. If you could hit your mute where we could all concentrate on what Chris is saying, we'd all appreciate it. Thank you. Go ahead, Chris.
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Okay. I'll repeat it. In case of a person born before the date of the enactment of this act, number one, the status of a national of The United States shall not be considered to be conferred upon the person until the date the person establishes to the satisfaction of the secretary of state that the person meets the requirements of section three zero eight four of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Know anything about that? What is that? And what is that three zero eight four? I didn't look there yet, so I don't know. Well
[00:40:21] Unknown:
well, I I don't I don't know how to give you an answer if I don't know what it's referring to. And I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't see how they can put a date in and say anyone born before this or after this, this, that, and the other. What was the name of the legislation you're talking about? Well, it was under, it was at under u UScode.house.gov
[00:40:43] Unknown:
publication
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l. Okay.
[00:40:45] Unknown:
And, that's all I know. And, Okay. I also ran across this situation, under a site called Police one about Chase Allen was shot to death by traffic officers in Farmington, Utah.
[00:41:00] Unknown:
Did you know about that? No. Who's that? Chase who? Chase who? Chase. Oh, I do know that. I'd I've seen the videos that where he got pulled over and the cops and this, that, and the other. I don't believe he ever had any paperwork on file, that guy. I think he was like one of Anton Wright's people or David Strait. They they shot him, like, 20 times. It was incredible. Okay. Oh, well, unusual for Utah, I'd say, but I think it did happen. And,
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Roger, can I comment on that?
[00:41:35] Unknown:
I guess you can, Dave.
[00:41:37] Unknown:
So this young man, you know, claimed to be in, you know, a national, and he got pulled over. His mother was in a embattled in a lawsuit with the cops in the state and the this and the that. And they knew him, and he had a gun on his on a holster. And when they he wouldn't get out of his car. I don't remember the exact circumstances to pull over. That's correct. But they they ripped his door open, and they said, oh, god. God. And they opened fired on him, and they murdered that boy. But like like he, Chris said over 20 times. And I'm sure that is still in litigation, but they murdered him because his mother was suing them bastards. And Yeah. You know, I don't I don't know what the lawsuit was about. I can't remember all that, but it's all contrived BS. And, they did kill him, and that's what they do because they're freaking rogue thugs, and they don't care about the people at IU. Well, let's hope that let's hope that's changing. It's pretty unusual that that was in Utah,
[00:42:38] Unknown:
especially. But, yeah, I know about that, Chris, and it's been a few years, but I remember the incident. And Dave's right. His mother had, some kind of lawsuit going against the police department. I don't know the particulars, but that was some background that wasn't in the article there. And then I have one other issue.
[00:42:57] Unknown:
I've sent a, an email to Mark about, this Chris question.
[00:43:03] Unknown:
I may About this what question?
[00:43:05] Unknown:
About about a question about I'm a trustee of a trust, and we're selling a piece of property who at the end of the closing and title wants a Social Security number from me and, other information. I told them I'm a national. And this situation, you know, on the sale of this property, I'm not getting anything. All the creditors are being paid off, and a couple of notes are being paid off. I'm not Right. I told them, I said, I'm not getting anything. I don't need a 1099. They want a ten ninety nine me for what I don't know.
[00:43:41] Unknown:
Okay. Well, the $10.99 wouldn't make any difference, and it does. Well, there's Chris right there. And, and and and the Social Security has no bearing on any kind of judiciary, judicial nexus with a person. So I'm gonna let Mark weigh in here. Hey. Welcome back, man. You getting your feet on the ground?
[00:44:01] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Doing better. Doing better. Okay. Good good to be home. I was a little longer than I'd like to stay in Vegas. But, anyway, on Larry, on that situation, it shouldn't be your Social Security number. It should be a tax identification number for the trust. Yes. You're the trustee of the trust. You're signing up on documents as a trustee for the trust. So there should not be any requirement for you to provide them a Social Security number. Now, as a national, it really doesn't matter whether they get that or not. Yeah. There's no taxable event that would be, you know, tied to you. Well, the,
[00:44:49] Unknown:
the trust is a land trust. All it was designed to do was hold the land, hold title to the land. I understand. And, so, there and there is so there is no EIN number or anything for the trust.
[00:45:03] Unknown:
Okay. This is this is exactly why one of the things I see is that the trust in most general reasons or for most general purposes, I'll be the right word, could just go get a tax identification number from the IRS. It's super simple. You can do it online. And the key is that you make sure that you select for banking purposes only. So they're needing some tax identification number. If the trust doesn't have one, they want yours. And the next question is, if you do give them the tax benefit let's say you went and got a tax identification number four of the trust, would that now put the trust under a tax obligation?
That could be a concern, and I would look at that. Because now if the trust doesn't make any money from from the transaction, then it's not it's not a concern.
[00:45:59] Unknown:
Well, that's that's the situation. However, see, when we do trust, we like to just keep them common law trust, you know, irrevocable trust, and no money goes in or out of the trust. The trust is primarily for asset protection and to just hold it, on title, until whatever future purpose.
[00:46:21] Unknown:
You understand? I'm teaching classes on trust. Yeah. I know. I understand. So but the question is, it looked like from your email, I just happened to be kind of it's good timing because I just kind of perused over your email, before you asked the question on on the show today. If I'm if I understand things correctly, the land was already in the name of the trust. Is that correct?
[00:46:46] Unknown:
That's correct. Yes.
[00:46:48] Unknown:
Okay. So this this is one of the reasons why I teach that getting a tax identification number for for a trust, doesn't it doesn't make it a a it doesn't void it of being a common law trust. It's just an identification number. A common law trust is just something that's not recorded or required to go through some statutory process like probate. If you're registering the trust with the public, like in the public records or or with the state or a county, then it's it's a statutory trust. It doesn't have anything to do with its tax identification number. The tax identification number is for banking purposes or in this case tax purposes.
But it doesn't make it a it doesn't doesn't take away a status as a common law trust. So if if you don't have a tax identification number and they're gonna require one to transfer title, you're either gonna have to get one for the trust or you're gonna have to provide your own Social Security number. Which is really blowback.
[00:47:58] Unknown:
And I don't think there's any blowback you've given your your SS number. You know? It's not your number. It's their number. You know, that's what John used to say. He said, I don't have a u a Social Security number. I have a Social Security account. They came up with that number to identify my account, but I don't have a number. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you understand that as I've put forward before, you know,
[00:48:22] Unknown:
I've never entered the system through a ten forty form. I've never signed one. I'm Okay. Opposed to using any types of numbers from the federal government at all. Alright. I wanna stay clear of getting any numbers for any trust. None of our trust have any EIN numbers or anything like that. We don't want any part of that stuff. Okay. Well, if you're gonna do what you wanna do with this, you may have to,
[00:48:50] Unknown:
alter your your deal a little bit. What, Mark?
[00:48:54] Unknown:
I'm I'm just saying then why is he asking the question? You know?
[00:48:58] Unknown:
Well, because they're they're requesting it, before yeah. As, one of the last final items to close the this escrow.
[00:49:07] Unknown:
I understand. So what so you have a concern about the numbers and Roger and I don't. So this is where our difference of opinion is. So you're trying to live outside of some kind of system that you got made up in your mind. And we're saying as a national, it doesn't really matter. That's the whole liberating part of being a national. I'm not trying to hide out and not use the number. Now if you have a strong religious belief against the, you know, using some kind of number as part of your identification, that's a whole different story. But I haven't heard that. Well, that's the essence of it right there.
Okay. Well, then you're going to have to fight a battle on religious freedom then. But outside of that, there's no reason to be concerned about that number, about using a number. What if I offered them my,
[00:50:02] Unknown:
my a copy of my, affidavit?
[00:50:05] Unknown:
Oh,
[00:50:06] Unknown:
I don't think you've processed the bridge before, but you're Again don't work. Again, your status has nothing to do with the Social Security number, Chris. Anybody in the world can contract with Social Security, feed them a little bit of their paycheck, and supposedly get a retirement down the line. There is no jurisdictional nexus here. That's old patriot mythology.
[00:50:31] Unknown:
Well, I look for all of my prosperity from the Lord, and he prospers me very well. Okay. Well, Chris, I think
[00:50:38] Unknown:
Oh, buddy, we've given you the best answer we can give you. You're gonna have to do one or the other. Okay. And I I there's there's nothing else I can tell you. We can sit here and talk about it for the rest of the show, but it has no bearing on what we no. Just hold on a second, girls. It has no bearing on what we here do here is to pull you out of the system and allow you to get out. And the Social Security number has nothing to do with that. Nothing. Okay? Okay. So just what I've learned. Alright? Now the girls are here. There's several women got Chris. Hold on, girl. I know you're chomping at the bit. Who who was that Mirka?
[00:51:15] Unknown:
Yes. Okay. I'm just wondering about Chris. He does common law trust. I'm wondering how that's going for him when he's teaching or doing the trust under common law without the numbers.
[00:51:28] Unknown:
Let's do it. It sounds like it's going real well until you gotta sell one of them.
[00:51:34] Unknown:
Because, I mean, I like the idea of not not using The US system or their numbers, because we are no longer U United States citizens. So under natural law, it should be all private. So I'm just wondering how it's working out for the people that are doing it that way.
[00:51:51] Unknown:
Roger. Well, this is the first time we've sold a piece of copy.
[00:51:57] Unknown:
There's some kind of funky noise coming through here, and I don't know. I I Chris always has kind of a a sub a subnormal audio. Go ahead, Chris. Let's see if we can get it straightened out. This
[00:52:10] Unknown:
yeah. This is the first time we've ever sold a piece of property.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
Uh-huh. And you should be able to use your affidavit as a, tool for selling property,
[00:52:22] Unknown:
private to another private person. You should be able to He's not selling it. The trust is selling it, MRCA.
[00:52:29] Unknown:
And the trust is under the common law without any numbers. So it's a private test trust.
[00:52:35] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. That I understand clearly. But this is to an investor where we have an escrow company and a title company. May I title company is go ahead.
[00:52:45] Unknown:
Yeah. So this is Julie. So, Brent Johnson, he's the one who teaches Commonwealth Trust without getting any numbers off of the IRS website and he has said before that in order to sell that without an EIN number or any number associated with it, you have to find an escrow company that's willing to do that. If you can't, then you've got to transfer that house out of the common law trust into a trust that has a number associated in order to complete the transaction. Also, I might want to add something here. Mark, his trust class was excellent.
Mark is amazing when it comes to these things and I would caution you on using the terms that you put it for asset protection. Mark says you never wanna say that. You always wanna use the word for estate planning purposes. You you wanna get that asset protection out of your mind because if you use that in some sort of court, it it just doesn't bode well with the judge. It's always estate planning purposes if they ask high yield. Well, yes. We know that. We always use for estate planning.
[00:53:54] Unknown:
I just I just threw that in Yeah. Because that's an added feature of the trust. Right. Assets.
[00:54:02] Unknown:
No. I know. But I would just you don't wanna make the mistake if you're ever in court or something like that. You use that in your in your privacy. You're liable to make a mistake in a you could potentially make a mistake in a court and make that statement when it's you know, I just don't even use that anymore. Just use state planning purposes that Mark taught me to memorize that. So, but yes, the common law thing is very tricky if you don't have any numbers associated with that and it's in the trust. You're going to have to call around title companies and tell them what the situation is and find out if they're willing to do that. And if they're not willing to do that, then my advice would be to take it out and and get it out of the common law trust and and then sell it that way. Okay. Alrighty. Anybody else got any suggestions for, Fletcher? I I got one. Yeah. Larry does. Linda Louise. Okay. We got this.
[00:54:58] Unknown:
Okay, Larry. You're on the back burner. Go ahead, Linda.
[00:55:02] Unknown:
Yes. One of the, important reasons why I sent my affidavit by registered mail is because registered mail is private. And that number is a number that you can use when you wanna convey property in the private, in the common law. And I don't think a lot of people recognize how important that is. So that is why yours truly spent the money, which wasn't a lot of money, put the registered mail number on it. And now on my affidavit, I have that registered mail number, and, it's nine digits, and I can use this as my TIN number, so to speak, but it's not a TIN number because it has nothing to do with their system. It's totally private, and it's totally lawful, and there's not another one another number like it anywhere in this system. That's why those registered mail numbers are so critical, and I yield.
[00:56:05] Unknown:
Alrighty. The whistler's there. Larry's on hold. Paul's on the front burner, and he says?
[00:56:13] Unknown:
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[00:56:47] Unknown:
Okay. Larry, front burner.
[00:56:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I'd I'd like to encourage Chris from California to, ask his question to Brent Winters on Friday about, you know, he his about Chris having a religious conviction about using the Social Security number. I'd be interested in hearing what Brent Winters would have to say. And then, I'd also like to know when he first came on the air, he was quoting some code and then he asked you what you thought about 308 something. And you said, well, what is 308? And he says, well, I don't know. I haven't looked it up. Can he repeat those two codes again, please? It it was the the website with The US and the statutes or something, some gov site, and then this was publication
[00:57:34] Unknown:
l that was listed on there. Chris, would you give him more specific info, please?
[00:57:40] Unknown:
Sure. It's UScode.house.gov. Publication L99Dash396 section 15 b, 08/27/1986. '1 hundred statute eight forty three.
[00:58:00] Unknown:
That's a statute at large site, by the way.
[00:58:03] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. K.
[00:58:06] Unknown:
So, alright. You can go scurry around and do what you need to do with that, Larry. Okay. Who's got something else either? Okay. There's one right there. Yes, sir.
[00:58:16] Unknown:
Alan out of Indiana. Hello, Alan. In the last couple of week you know, last couple of weeks, you talked about sending a letter to the attorney general that you're a national and you needed protection. Could you go over that a little bit? And, Yeah. Also, did Mark have any information on that?
[00:58:37] Unknown:
Well, I don't think either one of us have had a a much of a chance to draw up the document we'd like to have to give to each of you. And that's one case where this is a cover letter that you would want to or a memorandum of law that you might want to attach to the copy of the affidavit you send them. Okay, Alan. All this goes back to the origins in the early days of the feudal system and the formula that was developed for jurisdiction or what gives that unelected bureaucrat over there the power to make man made laws and enforce them on me? That's the question. K? And so in those days, that was settled by the reciprocating formula of protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection.
And to invoke that formula, all you have to do is invoke one of these sides. You can invoke allegiance. Protection is automatically put in there. You could bring up protection. Allegiance is automatically put in there. It's an automatic reciprocal formula, and it's not a choice. It's a duty or an obligation based on what, Mark, over a thousand years of jurisprudence? Something like that. You know, and I often bring up the example of the in the movies. You see the movies and the guy's got his fist and he he's in his armor and he's talking to the Lord of the Manor. He goes, yes, my liege. Yes, my liege. And he bumps his hand on his chest and his heart. Well, liege, l l e I g e, is the root word of allegiance.
Okay? Now where does this come into play for us? It comes into play for us in that section eight, whatever the, whatever the title eight, whatever the section is, comes from the nationality act of 1940. Definition a, a national owes total allegiance to a small estate. Alright. And what do we learn? We learned that when allegiance is brought up, it automatically invokes protection. It doesn't have to be in that sentence. It's automatic and it's understood. It's not a choice. It's an obligation or a duty. Okay? You you have you got that much, Alan? Alan?
[01:00:58] Unknown:
Yes. I'm here.
[01:01:00] Unknown:
Alan? Okay. Well, do you have you got that much so far? Yes. I hear you. Have you got that much so far? I don't wanna go on if you don't have the underlying foundation. It's critically important. Protection for allegiance. I Protection. When we file the affidavit I sent that in I sent that in with my affidavits. Yes. Okay. Alright. Well, that's fine. But what we're doing in the affidavit is we're declaring ourselves to be a national. So that means we're fulfilling that title eight, we owe total allegiance to a small estate now and not The United States. So when you file that with your state, their Indiana, unbeknownst to the attorney general of Indiana, I'm sure, is what we just talked about. They probably have never been exposed to this before.
Now in the current situation, their protection is, your protection is not from the state. It's from the federal government because you've pledged them allegiance. But when you answered those two questions, yes, I'm this, yes, I'm that, will you pledge them allegiance? Okay? So the federal government gives you protection. Now that has changed when you file your affidavit. Now the protection of due and owing is not from the federal government anymore. This this formula has changed. Now you're a national and you owe total allegiance to a small s state and not The US.
Got that. Okay? So when you do that, now the attorney general that you put on notice with your local sheriff, your local chief of police, all the other people, Now because they've been put on proper notice of a proper document filing, now their protection should shift to you. Instead of helping the sheriff and the court system enforce a speeding ticket, that's an obtrusive in include, inclusion from the federal government. That's the kind of stuff they're supposed to protect you from. So they don't know that is my strong suspicion, and they need to because this is our key.
Theoretically hold on, Alan. Theoretically, especially if they'd been put on notice, you may could go in and really go after them on failure to perform. Mark, what do you think of this at this point? Well, yeah. We have a fantastic
[01:03:25] Unknown:
supreme court case from 1875 that talks about allegiance and protection. It's called Minor, m I n o r, versus Happersett, h a, p as in papa, p as in papa, e r s e, t as in tango, t as in tango. Minor versus Happerset. Now I'm gonna read a a short quote from that that I think really says it all. So in their in their decision, this is the US Supreme Court in 1875, they they say this, quote, there cannot be a nation without a people. The very idea of a political community such as a nation is, implies an association of persons for the promotion of their general welfare.
Each one of the persons associated becomes a member of the nation formed by the association. He owes it allegiance and it is entitled to its protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other. Allegiance is for protection and protection for allegiance. Perfect. End quote.
[01:04:42] Unknown:
So when you're filing and putting the state on notice and you put the sheriff and all that, this is what comes to bear. And and, you know, this I only stumble on this in my mind a couple of years ago. We're on the show one day talking. It just all came together for me. You know? I never thought about it in that perspective before. But you see, that's the real teeth. We're looking for teeth. This is our teeth right here, and it's against your state because they've got a duty and an obligation to do this. Most of them, a, don't know that. Okay. I understand that. B, they need when they get exposed to it, though, they need to adhere to it because it's not a choice.
So they should be in there defending you against a traffic stop from a sheriff or police department. And especially if they try and take you into some magistrate's court and stuff, they owe you the obligation to stop that because they are giving you the protection of the federal government, not the protection of the smallest state, which is supposed to be protecting you. May maybe maybe Ohio, or or or wants to invade you over there or something. Well, the the AG of the state is supposed to call up the militia of the state as they defend the we're gonna go defend the state from Ohio. They're invading us.
Well, this is the with the traffic laws and stuff that are all federal, then that's kinda that's the same thing. Just a different realm. So, Alan, did that give you a better understanding?
[01:06:12] Unknown:
Yes. It did. And I did I did send my affidavit to all the Indiana state rep you know, government agencies.
[01:06:20] Unknown:
Oh, good. Good. And Well, I don't know about all of them, but certain okay. Go go ahead.
[01:06:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I I sent it to the attorney general, the sheriff's department, my county, you know. Right.
[01:06:33] Unknown:
Well, what we'd like to do is you you I don't know if you put any of that stuff in some sort of a way they could understand it. And what Mark and I would like to do is to write a short memorandum of law, which people could include in that mailing, which will give them this background. Now they've been put on notice. Now they either know or now they've been should have known. If they didn't know it when they received it, they should have stopped what they were doing and gone and researched it. What what you explained and Mark explained,
[01:07:04] Unknown:
I will try and put into a memorandum memorandum?
[01:07:09] Unknown:
Memorandum.
[01:07:10] Unknown:
And mail it to them. Mail it to them. You see what they say.
[01:07:14] Unknown:
Okay. Well, if you want to, that's fine. And, but it is it's a long time law. I mean, it's over a thousand years, established law. Even in that case, it says it perfectly. Protection for allegiance. Allegiance for protection. It's feudal system stuff, but it it and it applies to us particularly because we're in the feudal system now. You know, on the manor in the old days in the feudal system before the white the, oh, the, agreement that made everybody get into countries, and they would use the the law that was used on the manors was the law merchant.
And what does the law merchant have? It's So, like, right into this. So this is how the the law merchant feeds into the feudal system because that's the law they used on the manor. And they took it because of all the trade fairs that would go across Europe, and that's the code they use, the Babylonian merchant code. Well, they just picked it up and brought it over to the manor. That's why if you look at that list that I copied and and sent to Paul, it's somewhere on the website there of all the different types of law, classes of law, if you will, and you get to the very last and it says the menorah law, the law of the manor.
And what do they use for remedies? Lean levy garnishment and seizure, self help. Roger. K. Yes. Samuel.
[01:08:38] Unknown:
I was I was wondering if, Mark has come across any case law that states a national is a lowercase s, uppercase c citizen.
[01:08:54] Unknown:
No. No. I haven't. But I did, now I'm giving full credit to Gavin Mel. You have to excuse me. We're talking about the small s state. He went back and and looked in 1940 when they came out with that definition for the the immigration and nationality act in the, Webster's University dictionary, which would be found in the United States Senate and the US legislature legislature, the House of Representatives, they would find that book. It's massive. It's like, over 12 inches thick. And if you look that up, it describes the small s state as one of the 50 states that make up the union.
And I've I've read that description out before. But as far as finding a case that distinctly says that, no. I've not run across one. Okay. Just wanted to double check
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because my problem is
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I mean, you know, Abrams was on here for days on end trying to talk about the national status and get it clear and Right. And arguing about something that didn't make any damn difference, which is The US thing. Okay? Three shows, we went through that crap on something that made no difference and did nothing but confuse the audience.
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Go ahead. I got a different point. Okay. In all this case, let's get yeah. Well, you interrupted me. I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry. I'm gonna come in and correct that kind of crap. So hopefully, it doesn't happen again. I didn't even say it, though. I didn't even say it right there. It didn't matter. You invoked it in my mind. That's the impression. My That's the impression those three days left on me of my radio program. I don't wanna go through it again. Please continue.
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Okay. Well, you stop me if I'm trespassing on that area because I don't want to. I'm simply trying to be clear with the opposition of who I am and what my choice is. And if I use national regardless of, you know and I agree, Roger, not US, of course. It's just national to me, maybe American. But see, it's confusing. And Versus Mississippi. I wanna be able to communicate with my opposition and hold the place that is something they understand. And the thing that they understand, of course, is case law. And if you use this, document that we have with about two dozen cases on it, you know, The US citizens are property.
Right. It not once mentions the national in there, but it mentions the state citizen
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versus the federal fourteenth amendment citizen. Correct? As far as I remember reading them, and it might not have been labeled. It may not not have been a case in that list where it was after they changed the label to national. They may have been all old cases. I just don't remember, Samuel.
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Okay. Well, here's my quandary. So I've got all this these cases. There's not one mention of national there. On my original affidavit that I filed with the Secretary of State back in 02/2019, I pretty much used your one plate boilerplate page at the time, Roger. Okay? Yeah. And and I added a a couple of things to personalize it. And at the time, I had talked to you about them, and, you were like, well, yeah. Okay. Maybe you can add those in there. And I'm glad I did because I didn't know nearly as much about this as I do now or at least I hope I do. But any in that document, there's no mention, again, of a national that it's the state citizen versus the fourteenth amendment citizen.
So when I'm right now, I'm doing my covenant and conditions of my land patent elodeon, and I don't know if I should cite national in there or just state citizen because I'm also trying to put footnotes in that document where I can refer to, say, something like this two page document on case law and say, okay. Here's a case that says what a state citizen is. But when it comes to national, I'm screwed.
[01:13:29] Unknown:
Why? No. You're not. Why don't you use both of them? Use the word national in parentheses, formerly state citizen, close parentheses. And you use both of them. What's confusing about that? Well, what I've had been doing is
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national one of the people Okay. Which brings it back to the concept in parenthesis.
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Sent this in when you sent this in, you said twenty nineteen, six years ago? Have did they ever object to anything?
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No. And but there's no Okay. Well, then is this one national in there. Right?
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Uh-uh. Have have they objected to the fact that that isn't specifically identified? And they've accepted it. Yeah. I agree. If you wanna redo it leave a good thing in the world. Redo it. If you wanna redo it, cancel and supersede it and send in your newer one that you're happier with.
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You know, you just stated one of those things too. I think it's the Crookshade case, right, where, you won't you won't know, allegiance, which is a a a serfdom term to your smallest state. Well, I don't particularly like the term.
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And that's Can I know the matter what? My old Roger, we just can't satisfy everybody. Okay?
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No. My quandary is, should I just stick to state citizen,
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and you're saying maybe do both. Right? National and state citizen. Do both. Then there's no ambiguity, is there? There's not a chance of them saying, well, I don't know what formally means. I've never heard of a state citizen.
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Okay. Alright. Well
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Yeah. Go pull a couple of cases that go pull a couple of cases that refer to state citizen and give the sites in there, formerly state citizen. This second, fifth second, what what what, and cite the sites. There there there's no ambiguity there. Okay? Roger. As well Tell them. Alright. Hold on. I got Mark. I got Mirka. I got somebody else. I think it's Waeeb. I'm gonna go with Mark was first. While we're on this, Mark, give us your and then we'll get you, Mirka. Give us your observation here, please.
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Real quickly, going back to Miner versus Haaper said, Samuel, if you'll look at that, directly before the quote that I read you, this is directly from the decision. They say, there are persons and by the fourteenth amendment, all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are expressly declared to be citizens of The United States and of the largest state wherein they reside. Oh. But in our opinion, it did not need this amendment to give them that position. Before its adoption, they're talking about the fourteenth amendment. Before its adoption the Constitution of The United States did not in terms prescribe who should be citizens of The United States or of the several states, that's large capital s, yet there was necessarily such citizens without such provision.
So now they're drawing a distinction between citizens of The United States or of the several states. So it's clearly showing two
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separate citizenships there. And that's where it might be. Hey. Hey. Hey. That's not really my that's really not what I'm talking about, Mark. I'm I'm talking about being clear with the opposition and using state citizen, I think, is clearly defined in case law where national is not.
[01:17:03] Unknown:
I agree, but that that changes when we get to the, what was it, eight USC 11 o one definitions. And we go to paragraph eight twenty one, and they give you what the definition is of a national. So I agree and I agree with Roger is if you wanna use the the term state citizen and or put national and then in brackets or parentheses put formerly known as a state citizen. You could put a you know, f k a, formerly known as
[01:17:39] Unknown:
state citizen in brackets. Or how about how about just national slash state citizen? Yeah. Implying they're the same thing.
[01:17:48] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Okay. And you can find lots of case law on that. You can find lots of case law on state citizens.
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You can find 11 o one is the one that says national means a person owing permanent allegiance to a small estate. Right. Right. And if 15 o two throws in the reference to an American national, again, sort of making it more confusing for when you're tell trying to tell the opposition what the hell's going on,
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you just lose them, You know? Well well, no. You have to be more simpler because you get into that statute shit, you're gonna lose anybody. Okay? You gotta go to them and simplify it and say, I'm not Jim Crow, idiot. Can you understand that? Who is the thirteenth amendment written for? Idiot. There wasn't a fourteenth amendment citizen for another six months. Your brain is the one that's malfunctioning. The obvious evidence and facts are right in front of you. That's how you deal with them. And if they don't want to or can't understand that, walk away and say a prayer for them. One more way of doing it, opinion on that and Marx,
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if you put one of the people, capital on one, capital on people in quotation marks, which is bringing you back to we the people, and I can put that in my footnotes.
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Yeah.
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That national.
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How about that? That's fine. How Samuel, how well do you like to sleep at night?
[01:19:20] Unknown:
I sleep pretty good.
[01:19:22] Unknown:
Okay. Well, then if that if hopefully, you don't wake up getting interrupted by this stuff, but whatever makes you feel better, you go do it. Okay?
[01:19:32] Unknown:
Well, I'm just I'm looking for the opinion of the audience out there and yourself, of course, and Mark and people like that to to to to quell my fear and make sure that I'm communicating with these guys. Because in all this effort, it would be a shame if we can't communicate with them and have them at least scratch their head and consider us potentially saying. You know what I'm saying? Well,
[01:19:59] Unknown:
yeah. I do. And I'd bring forth the statistics that came out a couple of weeks ago on that national survey that fifty three percent of the people in the country couldn't read past the third grade level, and twenty one percent of the people in the country are totally illiterate. And you're trying to get this information across? I hope it's not one of them you're talking to. Well, I'm talking about when I send it to the AG and people like that. Well, just as far as I know, they they keep up with the team. You know, I wanna cite some case law for these guys so they can leave me alone. Alright. Okay. Alright. Markham, in inject Markham here. I I Samuel, remember, you're in California,
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and Rob Bonta recognizes us as a private individual.
[01:20:43] Unknown:
Right off the bat? Simple. Just keep it simple. You wanna Samuel, you wanna get some sites for him? I'd go back and go to the back you got a copy of my book, either a a PDF or hard copy? Well, there's that affidavits in the back, and there's three pages or more of sites that John and Glenn put in that affidavit. Use them to your heart's content.
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And Roger, the the private individual
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is in court cases also, so he can search for those two. Okay. And that's what you know, they're the courts don't want the first of all, the some of the courts don't even, believe this. Some of them don't understand it But as evidenced by Michael Nail's magistrate there. So, just do the best you can.
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And This is Chris from California.
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And and the court the courts don't wanna bring up the term national anywhere. I by the you know, hold on, Chris. There was I had a guy up in Huntsville, Alabama whose wife was divorcing him. They were going through a court case. Her parents, being foreign, thought he was a sovereign citizen. That's when that first perked up. And so they were trying to alter the health advice on the divorce agreement. And so it was the parents and the mother that submitted all his affidavit. He said, I think they submitted your book and and all that in there. So he now it's in in the in session. It's in play, and he gets up on the court on the stand and starts reading the affidavit.
And the judge says, don't read that document in this courtroom. Otherwise, National might have been in there, Samuel.
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Yeah. Try again.
[01:22:31] Unknown:
Okay. Hello. There's somebody who are getting in. Sorry. I've neglected you. Yep. Yeah. This this is Chris again. Yeah. Hi, Chris. I I appreciate
[01:22:39] Unknown:
I appreciate, you, Samuel, you know, your discussion, and, I'm kind of, looking in the same direction. However, you mentioned earlier that, Roger, that you and, Mark were putting together a memorandum
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to go along We've talked about it. To the secretary We've talked yeah. Yes. We've talked about it. The subject's come up before. I don't know that we've made any progress on it. But, yes, it has been discussed before. Go ahead. I think Yeah. Before Mark found that case that I think it was before Mark found that Happersett case, though. You could just about do a one or two paragraph memorandum of law off that. Go ahead. Yeah.
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Tell me about the half percent case. Go ahead, Mark. What's the what's the actual site? So 18870.
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you there? Yeah. Bear with me just a moment. Let me pull it back up.
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Yep. I remember that case from the old days, people bringing it up, but I didn't know it had that in it. Yeah. It's it's miner, m I n o r Right. V,
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happersett, h a, p as in papa, p as in papa, e r s e, t as in tango, t as in tango. Meyer v. Happersett, eighty eight US, that's US Supreme Court, US one six two. Eighty eight US one six two. That's a Supreme Court decision from 1875. Okay. Great. Thank you. And if I don't know if you have access to the, pre conference call chat board, but I put a link in there on that. But you can go to Google Scholar and easily pull that up. Okay.
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Hello, Roger.
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Hello. Allen again.
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Yes, sir. Allen. Yeah. Hello?
[01:24:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Good morning. I did I have a copy of the, Indiana constitution, and it has a preamble in there. And it says, in the middle of the preamble before they get to the constitution, it says, you have a right to for to to, have your opinion on your own, form of law. And I was gonna mention common law. If I don't cause any injury, damage, or, harm to any man or woman, they don't have any jurisdiction over me.
[01:25:14] Unknown:
Yeah. There's no charges. Well, they don't have any any way to bring any charges against you. They still may have jurisdiction in some sense or semblance, or they can't, but you have to arm somebody. Only
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only the state is bringing a complaint. A man or woman can make a claim.
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Okay.
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And if the state's making a complaint against me, I require them to be brought into the court, and I wanna cross examine mister and missus state of Indiana, about their charges. Why are they charging me? And they can't do that.
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I don't think you're gonna have I I wouldn't worry about that too much. I doubt if you'll get confronted with that. You would have to harm the the state. It it it it it is supposed to be protecting you, not bringing charges against you. The and I don't know under a common law setting, that would be probably both criminal and, civil. Like, if you kill somebody, well, they could because they're all property law, state law, they can now come after you for murder. Okay? And then, oh, boy. I lost my train of thought. Anyway, and then if the other person you had murdered, wife or husband, wanted to come after you civilly like they did with OJ OJ, then they could come after you similarly.
Excuse me, civilly. But, both of those that that would be done in the fact that you injured somebody. I'm not sure what your point is here, Alan.
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Well, that in other words, under common law, unless you cause damage, harm, or injury to any man or woman, they can't make a a complaint against me.
[01:27:02] Unknown:
Correct. Well, let's put it another way. Let's put it another way. Unless you harm them, you have not committed a crime. That's a better way to look at it. Okay.
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Okay.
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Alright.
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Thank you for your information. You're welcome.
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Okay. Yes. Who else is who who's there? Roger.
[01:27:23] Unknown:
Hey. This is John from Georgia. How are you? Hey, John. We haven't heard from you in a while. How are you doing? I know. It's been a minute. I'm doing well. Thank you. Hey. I had a much easier question, at least I hope. Good. In the process of, you know, talking with people and networking with people, I've often recommended that they go out to, the site where your book was available to purchase and and grab one. Was? I noticed that it's not there. So That's correct. Is it? Where would I sell someone to go purchase?
[01:27:56] Unknown:
You can't it's not purchasable right now unless you wanna try and find a used version. I just got it. I had a real big problem with the book patch. It's way too long a story to get into. They've been absolutely totally uncooperative, unresponsive. They probably stolen. I have no telling how much profits from my book because of their computer error evidently. And I got so frustrated that he's the one the guy that's running it now that shut it off. And I just haven't found another place or talked about it much to I'm a have to get it probably get a whole new cover done up and just all kinds of crap because of, well, because of the, of, United Slaves of America book. That's what happened. Anyway, long story, it's very aggravating.
I haven't found a new home and hope may but it is in the back of my mind. Maybe I'll get it done soon. Got it. Do you know any place? I don't know if it's fair to ask. I mean, I've I've purchased several copies myself. But in
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lieu of being unable to purchase, do we internally have, like, a PDF
[01:29:03] Unknown:
that I've got the PDF. In the interim, or do we just wait? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I'll be happy to send you that, John. I had it. I I I appreciate it. And I mean put it up I would put it up on his site, the the when we did those interviews, I gave it to him, and we probably need to put it up on our site for anybody that wants to get it, Paul. K? Yeah. I mean, I'd be happy to make a donation. You know? I listen. I don't care about your name, so it's no problem here. But I don't care about the money. I don't care about the money. It's not a big deal to me. $5, please. So, anyway, I appreciate it, though. I appreciate you asking. You're the second person that's asked about it. So, obviously, it needs to be put up somewhere.
And I just don't wanna do Amazon.
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Yeah. I don't blame you.
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Yep. So, anyway, you doing alright? You back in Georgia now?
[01:29:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm in Georgia right now. It's kind of a rainy, wet season, much like last year or so. Right. I'm kind of hanging out with family at home.
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Yeah. Well, that's good because all the yellow pollen now ends up in the gutters.
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Oh, yeah. You know how it is in Atlanta in April. Everything's I sure do. For Boy do. Week or two.
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Yep.
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Yeah. Boy, I have a dark car in Atlanta at this time of year, and you'll come out and it'll be yellow.
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Yeah. It's short lived.
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You just wait for the first rainfall to wash it all away. That's all. Yeah. Yep. I just feel sorry for the people with allergies because those people really suffer in that environment. Yep.
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My wife slept with our mess with our bedroom windows open two nights ago, and she woke up and had huge allergy problems the following morning. So
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Poor thing. Yep. Definitely. Yeah. Sorry.
[01:30:52] Unknown:
Solly Excuse me, Joe.
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You go to the Masters, did you? No.
[01:30:57] Unknown:
I I don't really get into golf lunch. I have attended before back when I was doing corporate events, mostly just for the benefit of taking clients there. But, I myself have actually went just personally. It's nice. I mean, it's something everyone should see once.
[01:31:13] Unknown:
It's a lovely spot. I I was thinking Paul, I'll get you a second. I was thinking the, since it was over that on Monday, they have media day. And back when in the record business, one of the stations over there in South Augusta at WAUG. It's on the other side of the river. Technically, it's in South Carolina. But they would, let let the record guys have their foursome if they didn't have any clients wanting them. And one of my buddies got to go play the course one day. So, anyway, what a what a privilege and an honor. Paul, do you have something to add for John?
[01:31:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Is the book is in the recents folder in docs.exposetomatrix.com.
[01:32:01] Unknown:
Okay. Perfect. I appreciate that, Paul. Thank you. Alright. Okay. Good. So it is already up. Matrix.com
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Uh-huh. Max underscore recents underscore is the Well, the advantage in there.
[01:32:14] Unknown:
Okay. You may in a second. Julie, the advantage of having that PDF is it's got search capabilities, and those really come in handy. Julie?
[01:32:25] Unknown:
Hi. I have a question for you and for for Mark. I'm reading a book right now called the UCC connection, and, it was it's about a guy who, he won his case, he won his case on not filing for income taxes, but then, time time passed significantly. He had another friend that got charged with willful failure to file an income tax return, And, he was asked to help, and he thought, oh, I have this and I got all the cases. I've got this in the bag for you. So he went to court for him. And, the guy actually got convicted and went to prison. And, as soon as the trial was over, this guy went to the judge's office and and said, you know, what what authority do you have to overturn standing decisions of the United States Supreme Court because basically what he did was he read off a lot of the the case case law.
And, the judge said, oh, those were old decisions. And and the guy who represented his friend said those are standing decisions. They've never been overturned. And, he said, so I don't care how old they are. You have no right to overturn a standing decision of the United States Supreme Court. And the judge said, name any decision of the Supreme Court after 1938, and I'll honor it. But all the decisions you read were prior to 1938. And then he said prior to 1938, the Supreme Court was dealing with public law. Since 1938, the Supreme Court has dealt with public policy.
And he said the charge that your friend was being tried for is a public policy statute, not public law. And those Supreme Court cases do not apply to public policy. So, then the guy asked him what happened in 1938, and the judge basically said that he had already told them too much. And he basically said he wasn't going to tell him anymore. And so then they bring up Erie Railroad Erie Railroad and Tompkins. But I hear on this, these calls and on that FCC channel that sometimes we're talking about public laws that are, you know, before 1938.
And then when you go to your website, the matrix stocks, you know, there's a cup there's many cases that are cited on there. And I know that has to do with nationals versus US citizens. But Mhmm. Still those that a lot of those cases that are on there are before 1938.
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So can you educate me there? Because I'm very confused. Are you sure? Are you sure they don't mean '33? It says '38. I'm wondering if the I I heard you I heard I heard you say it about four times. That wasn't my question. Are you sure they don't mean 33 and they misquoted it? Was there some is this when the civil rules for civil procedure or the criminal procedure came in on the feds? Mark, you got any input here? Because I've heard that before, Julie, but that do not ask you a question. I've got an 1850 case, the one a Murray's lessee versus Hoboken, in planning improvement company, and the IRS has used that quote from that site in, in in in a
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in a court proceeding in the last fifteen years. So if we can't do it, why can they do it? So, so, Roger, it says on here, what they do cite after what I just read to you, they cite 1938 and the Erie Railroad. And then, the guy says that he reasoned that all of our courts since 1938
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were merchant law courts and not common law courts. Okay. So he's he's basing all this on Erie Railroad versus Tompkins, which a lot of patriots I've got input. I'm gonna I'm gonna according to Brent, a lot of patriots really misinterpret that like they do some other situations.
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Mark, you had something to say? I've got somebody else. That. Yeah. That was me, Roger. This is Dan. I've got input Yeah. Dan. Okay.
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Railroad in. Your video turned on. You wanna you wanna turn it off so that it didn't eat up as much bandwidth if you can't. Thank you. Okay.
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So in 1938 is when they finally got together enough stuff after the 1933, fiasco where they took all our gold that they merged equity with with common law, and that's what Erie Railroad was essentially doing. It was a choice. It does not take away the original constitution. That's just one that we're prepared to finally take over and merge the two to create the UCC, you know, indentured servant slash surf system.
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I should get Brent to go over. The guy that tried the case was some big justice guy's son. It's the only case he ever tried. It had to do with a guy walking down the edge of a railroad track, and a train came along and some debris was sticking out of the train, and it hit him. I don't remember it killed him or not. It hit him. And and the whole thing was, is there any federal common law? Because it was both states, Pennsylvania and New York were involved in that, I think. So, anyway, it's a complex case. If you want to get a Brent you should have Brent talk give you the background on it because he knows that. I want that. I would love that. I've never heard of him before. Okay? Yeah. So if you want to do that, ask him ask him Friday. Go ahead, Julie. Yeah. So what happened was that was the case where they decided they blended
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Dan is right. They blended Equity and Connell together and they basically told the guy who got struck by a board that he lacked standing because they went to law of merchant UCC, and they alleged or they stated that he didn't have standing because he had no contract with the railroad, and so he lost. He was probably trespassing on their property, quite frankly.
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Yeah. There was another excuse they had that Brandon might be
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citizen Go in here. He was a citizen of The United States, not a state citizen. That's Right. The crux of the matter. Okay. We have to have a balance. Right? Because he he he didn't have any common law protection because he was a fourteenth amendment citizen.
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Exactly. Okay. Well, there was more to it than just that. I can't wait to hear Brent on this. He's gonna tell a long involved story, but the fact is He will believe that He can he can give you a bunch of details, and he can agree with the Patriot community on the conclusion. Sorry, Roger. I have If you wanna if you wanna read one thing. If you wanna read
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finish
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this this point. I have a feeling it's gonna come down to this one thing. Erie Railroad was part of the railroad, and the railroad was carved out from sort of everything else as its own separate thing. Remember the railroad tracks and the companies sort of have their own little jurisdiction. I have a feeling they lean on that. Yep. To go But I don't know. Right? Merge these two equity with common law, thing, and it's arbitrary and capricious. They can do that because they did it, but it does not erase the original constitutional findings. You'd sort of just have to claim it just like that guy with his title problem trying to escrow his thing. He has to get really sort of belligerent and claim it and then move on to a different title company if they won't hear him out.
They might hear him out if he gets a little bit belligerent, you know, calmly. Property and extended. Trust.
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Okay. Possibly. Now, Samuel, you had something to say?
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Roger? Yeah. Bro Somebody did. Whole argument in in USA, the Republic is about that case and how pivotal it was. And this guy didn't have any standing because he this is like a setup case just like Plessy. They picked this guy to overturn Swift versus Tyson because that way they could nail everybody in commerce from that date forward. That's what it's really about. Okay. And I think Brent doesn't see that. He thinks Brost is wrong, but I think Brost has plenty of evidence to argue that that was that was his three sided triangle. This was one of the sides in his opinion.
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I'll leave it at that.
[01:41:01] Unknown:
Okay. I does this have anything to do with you filing an affidavit and change the status? Does it affect that in any way, shape, or form?
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You talking to me?
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Yes. Yes.
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Roger, I'm just trying to get you know? Again,
[01:41:19] Unknown:
a a roast. Well, I don't want anybody in the audience I don't want anybody in the audience to be confused that we're bringing this stuff in. It has nothing to do with what we do. K? Sorry. I'm the I'm the professional. Everything to do with what we do. Roger. I think I think that's all we got here. You know? Okay. Did it stop yeah. But does it stop you from filing an affidavit and having it recognized? Anything to do with that case? No, ma'am. Okay. Alright. To know what that background of everything here, I guess. Okay. Well, I understand digging in that. I'm just don't want any people to get confused. Okay? So Oh my Who who else is saying something right there? I I I wasn't finished, Roger. It's me, Julie. Oh, I'm sorry. So the book also might be confused.
Go ahead.
[01:42:04] Unknown:
They also went on to say that there are no judicial courts in America and have not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce statutes and codes. Executive administrators enforce statutes and codes. And then it, gives several cases on here and it gives also statutes at large. And then it also says there has not been any judges in America since 1789 and it has there have just been administrators and it gives more
[01:42:34] Unknown:
that that's that's just from the one above. We didn't have any agencies back. Julie, we didn't have any agencies back there. How could it have been all administrative?
[01:42:45] Unknown:
So that's an incorrect statement then. Yeah. Well, there's so much I mean, bullshit in the patriot community.
[01:42:52] Unknown:
There's so much misunderstanding and bullshit in the patriot community, Julie. I've been dealing with it for over over thirty years. K? And, that's why I always come back. Does this have anything to do with this? But there's just a lot of misunderstanding thing there. You know, Chris, earlier with the Social Security number. Well, he he clarified it and said it was religious beliefs, but the Social Security number has nothing to do with your status. It has nothing to do with your relationship with the federal government, and that's been, in the patriot community floating around for as long as I've been in it. And there's still people that believe that, Julie.
[01:43:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I I figured that was wrong. I just wanted to clarify that with you. But, I mean, that was another, part from a different book, not the same book that was talking about the Erie Railroad case. So I was like, that can't be right. This is, because this has to all hinge on the banking act of 1933 or the banking holiday. And and I I so I wanted to run that by you. Well, I can promise you that Erie versus
[01:43:58] Unknown:
Railroad Tompkins wasn't as significant as the change in the systems in '33 in my mind. Yeah. Okay. Now you may equate those two, but I don't think so. Yes, Larry?
[01:44:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Maybe, Julie can find, like, a second opinion out there, like, in a publication or something to confirm what she's reading. And then, earlier when you were talking to Samuel, when he was explaining about allegiance, he seemed to have a tone that he didn't like using that word. I was wondering if he can explain Well, he's not he's not why that is.
[01:44:36] Unknown:
Well, that's, that we had some females that didn't wanna use it. Myrrh, didn't didn't she didn't wanna use the word swear. She wanted to use affirm. People got different feelings on these things.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
Do what? Well, that and then if John Garland's still on, I'd like to ask him a question how he was able to reverse his revocation of election because my understanding and I get this information from the IRS website. I get it from Wise Paris. Once you do a revocation of election, it's a once in a lifetime choice. You can't go back in the system. And so I I was wondering about that. So
[01:45:15] Unknown:
Well, no. You can always volunteer to the system. The IRS might not recognize you coming back to take a second swing.
[01:45:24] Unknown:
You got five years. It's five years that you can go back to the system is what I saw. I don't think it's just lifetime. Once you do a revocation election, you can never step back into the system.
[01:45:38] Unknown:
No. It's not that at all. Well,
[01:45:40] Unknown:
well, that Wise Paris says something differently. They said that this is forever. It's a once in a lifetime choice. Wise
[01:45:47] Unknown:
Paris didn't even know it was a feudal system, and he's dead. Well,
[01:45:52] Unknown:
right. It even says on the IRS website, it's a once in a lifetime choice for a nonresident alien to do a revocation of election. And I'm I Okay. I got I got the site. I've got the exact words. Okay. May I? Roger?
[01:46:10] Unknown:
Yes, Samuel? Hold on, Paul.
[01:46:12] Unknown:
I just wanted to point out one more thing on this public and private. This is Burrows' take on it. On the on the side of the, the free citizen with the bill of rights, the statutes were the public municipal law to be used for private purposes, and it acts on the person in person. And the fourteenth amendment citizen, those are the revised statutes, our private national law for public purposes in RAM. RAM acts on the res or the thing. So it's it's really a one eighty degree flip. And he he links that directly to the Swift versus Tyson and the Erie Railroad versus Tompkins.
[01:47:07] Unknown:
So Pardon me. Where are we going? Coffee beans? Are we in the shop? Are we back in shop class? Who's grinding the who's grinding coffee beans, and are you making enough for the rest of the class?
[01:47:20] Unknown:
We can't see where that's coming from. Julie. Julie.
[01:47:23] Unknown:
Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
[01:47:26] Unknown:
Sorry. Oh, good grief.
[01:47:28] Unknown:
Weiss Perez is probably referring to you can only do a revocation of election once. You can get out of it and then go back in. But once you go back in, then you're stuck.
[01:47:40] Unknown:
Well, hold it. Let me ask you a question. If you did that and got your money back and you change statuses and you weren't filing, if you went back in, what would you draw off of? You'd have to go back in and build up another, you know, to, up. I don't I just don't see that why would anybody go back in? I'm not saying they can't.
[01:48:01] Unknown:
Paul, where are you getting that source? What's your source for that? I'm not getting a source. I'm just inter interpreting what you said.
[01:48:09] Unknown:
Okay. And and by the way Are you agreeing with me, or are you not agreeing?
[01:48:15] Unknown:
My god. I don't know. I don't know. The source is actually it. They they only let they don't let you back in. I read that code. I don't remember which code it is, but I read it verbatim, and it says, once you get out, you can't come back in. It's permanent.
[01:48:27] Unknown:
Whether they Yeah. It comes right off the IRS website. And Yeah. It says it's once in a lifetime choice, and that's what that's quoted.
[01:48:38] Unknown:
Okay. Well, good. I'm glad I made mine, and I'm pretty sure I made mine. Yes, sir. Dave?
[01:48:45] Unknown:
Hi. Hi, Roger. I'd like to comment on that. See, I think it's a it's a idle threat, you know, because they wanna scare you to think Very whatever. Could be. Why why wouldn't they let you back in to take more of your money? That's absolutely imbecilic. John did it. So that means they're lying. You know, it's an idle threat. They he did it. So, you know
[01:49:10] Unknown:
That's right. Take it or leave it. Alright. So I'm I'm still here, and I'm listening to your question. And, I mean, I've stated what I did. My interpretation I can tell you that you can get back in. And if for that exact reason, they're not they're they're not gonna turn you down. Now I don't think I could do it again. That's one time. That's my understanding, and I'm not going to do it again. I've already stated in shows and people one on one many times what it is that I do. It works for me. It may not work for the next person. It's personal choice. But I have a method that works perfectly for me, and I don't need an ROE.
[01:49:46] Unknown:
Okay. Well, let's hope the IRS is at some sort of a demise in the future, and all this may, cross your fingers, become mute. We'll see how how mister Trump's plan turns out. So, you'll be able to for just a minute.
[01:50:04] Unknown:
Okay. We need to get in here for just a minute. We've got about five minutes left. Right. We've got about five minutes left. And at 1PM eastern sharp, GVN is going to be switching gears to a Joe Tippens live q and a. The guy from my cancerstory.rocks. So Yeah. We're gonna go from the end of this program straight into with Joe Tippen's Okay. Q and a. So anybody wants to get here and say something, there'll be no after party. Yeah. Yeah. You got five minutes to get in here and cover ask what you wanted to ask and cover what you wanted to cover.
[01:50:44] Unknown:
Cinco Menuto's. Rap it off. Rap it off. Dave. I'm thinking I got a creepy question for you.
[01:50:51] Unknown:
Hey, Louise. May I?
[01:50:53] Unknown:
Oh, and Linda was there. Hold on, Dave. Yes, Linda. Go ahead. Forgot. Sorry.
[01:50:58] Unknown:
I will I would I would invite Samuel to consider when he does his, state citizen, parenthesis, previously labeled prior to the civil war. That's my suggestion, close parenthesis, and I yield. Thank you.
[01:51:16] Unknown:
Okay. Now Dave, Jerry Garcia.
[01:51:19] Unknown:
Hold on, Jerry. Dave isn't waiting. I'll get you next. Dave, quick. Yeah. I just got a little bit of levity here. What do you get when you drop a half percent, piano down a mine shaft? A flat minor.
[01:51:36] Unknown:
Cute. Very cute, David. You gave you made that up. That's good. Jerry.
[01:51:41] Unknown:
Yes, sir. I I filed for my passport application, and I got this letter back.
[01:51:46] Unknown:
Ah. Goodness. You want me you want me to read you the first paragraph? It appears by what you submitted okay. Go ahead. Yeah.
[01:51:55] Unknown:
No. Go ahead. It appears by you submitted the evidence of your citizenship nationality is not acceptable for passport purposes.
[01:52:06] Unknown:
Well, they're wrong. K? But we're you're right at the end of I wish you'd have brought this up earlier. We're right at the end of the show. Can he read that one more time, please? Yeah. Let we why don't we come back, like, tomorrow and do it, Jerry? Can you come back during the show tomorrow? Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, let's do that. You read it again as much time as we got. Okay. Well, let me just by what you submitted,
[01:52:34] Unknown:
you're not eligible for a a US passport. Is that what it says? Well well, kinda sort of, but I I've kinda I sent a birth certificate with it. Anyway, let me read it to you. Thank you for your thank you for your recent passport application. The evidence of The US citizenship or nationality you submitted is not acceptable for passport purposes for the following reasons. Because I submitted a Texas birth birth card or a Texas, abstract, which only provides limited information, and and I get it. Right? But they want me to send back send the requested items, which is my the, I guess, an original copy of the passport.
[01:53:17] Unknown:
No. Of the birth certificate.
[01:53:19] Unknown:
Well, you're gonna have to go to the, you do not have one, I'm assuming. Right? Right. The one I sent them was just a passport card. You know? Well, I understand why they well, I understand why they did that. You're gonna have to go and get a certified copy of your birth certificate. Were you born in New Mexico, Jerry?
[01:53:38] Unknown:
No. In Texas.
[01:53:40] Unknown:
Go to the Texas Vital Statistics. I think that's what they call it, and you can buy a copy of that, put it in the package, and return it to them. You'll get your passport. Okay?
[01:53:52] Unknown:
Okay. So I don't need to send another citizenship affidavit.
[01:53:57] Unknown:
Well, I would. I I I would put one in anything I sent to them. But they've got your other one, but it doesn't hurt for them to have two. So go get your birth certificate certified copy, Texas Vital Statistics or whatever they call it. They'll tell you what to do. You'll get that back in a couple of weeks. Resend it. Put the affidavit in there again, and, you'll get your document. Okay?
[01:54:23] Unknown:
And and no cover letter?
[01:54:25] Unknown:
Well, the a cover letter, this is in response to your letter. Put a copy in there. They've got a file on you, man.
[01:54:34] Unknown:
Right. Okay? Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[01:54:38] Unknown:
Yep. That'll do it. Okay. We're gonna cut off quick today here in just, just a few seconds. And, thanks for the stimulating mental discussion today, kids. And, we'll come back and see if we can't repeat it or have some new people that we can really confuse. So we'll see you tomorrow in any respect, and it'll turn out however it turns out.
[01:55:02] Unknown:
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[01:56:10] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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[00:01:13] Unknown:
Yep. From fifty fifty four years ago, Alvin Lee, ten years after, a bit ahead of his time. I'd say if you're not familiar with that song, I'm sure all of you have been exposed to it, but you probably didn't get the lyrics. Some of the other lyrics are everywhere are dykes and fairies, creeps and harries. Tell me where is sanity. Alvin, we got some sanity for this bunch right here. We're gonna try and invoke it on them today. Roger Sales here, your host in the radio ranch, name of our program, and we're assisted by a number of other very, very generous platforms that give us their platform and their time to extend our reach. And we want to reciprocally give them the credit and the recognition that is due for their efforts. Don't we, Paul? Yes. We certainly do. However We darn sure do. Not so generous today. The only platforms we're on Oh, no. Is
[00:02:10] Unknown:
radioSoapbox.com. Thanks to our buddy Paul across the drink. And EurofolkRadio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James and Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio. Global Voice Radio dot net. And our website, thematrixdocs.com, has links to both Eurofolk and Global Voice. It also has links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. Maybe that's what everybody's doing. They're joining they're just joining us in Could be, you know, we
[00:02:41] Unknown:
there doesn't have to be a whole bunch of them to be generous. We can even be more generous if there's less of them. So we can heap all kinds of good stuff on them. And we sure do appreciate them and thank them for their efforts in the well, hell trying to straighten the world out a little bit. You you know? Boy, the world is a cattywampus today. There's so many lies flying around on top of lies and lies and lies, and we try and cut through it and get to the truth here and give you some sort of a foundation where you can put things in proper place in in proper perspective.
Because if you don't, you don't have a correct view of the world, and we want you to because the whole thing is designed to clean your clock. It's like you're a blade of grass, and they're a big lawnmower. And every time you grow up a little bit, they wanna trim you back, and they wanna try and set things up to have you make wrong decisions that benefit them. And, they've done a great job of it. And that's one of the things this information does is straighten you back out where you can make correct decisions, and, that way, feather your nest for the future.
So, anyway, here we go. Wednesday edition day after the, April Fool's Day. We're glad that only comes around one day a year. And, I hope you, if you're still, paying the beast that you got your little, your little receipts all tallied up and your little paperwork all done with the calculator probably took most of the weekend. And you got your, your return in the mail either. Oh, I don't know. Maybe might have waited till yesterday. Anyway, probably many of our people didn't have to do that. You may wanna ask them about it. But if you did, I'm sure sorry you're still in that quagmire of lies.
Boy, is it beast. So, it's incredible what these people have done, and they took away our tariffs, which should run the world, but run the country the best it's ever been run really fiscally from about 1870 until about 1913, that pivotal year. And, we've been on in the we've been slouching toward I use a what's his name's book title, Bork. I remember Bork, the guy that tried to get on the Supreme Court conservative. They even put a new verb in the lexicon to bork bork somebody. And he wrote a book called slouching towards Gomorrah.
And, we're slouching towards Gomorrah's certainly our majority of the world. So, anyway, that's where we are. Good morning, to you that have joined us. And those of you who may be listening, no telling where. So it's a beautiful day in Ecuador. We've had three, two that we're looking to hope today is the same and follow us through. But it it appears, Paul, it appears that's the best way to put it. It appears that we have, turned the corner on our rainy season winter ish weather, and, we're having these lovely mostly cloudless days. Couple of them in a row was hoping this there's more to follow because that's the usual weather pattern around here. It just goes squirrely in the spring.
And, anyway, hopefully, that'll pan out because it's a mighty pretty morning, and, we're kinda sick of the clouds and the rain quite actually. But, boy, by the time I got home from lunch yesterday, it was, hot. Like, yikes, back into the summer stuff. So, anyway, that's what we're going through here, welcoming change in the weather, and I hope that yours is getting a little warmer and there's some flowers popping up. And, of course, the masters is always timed for the height of the blooming of the azaleas, because there's a lot of azaleas on there and, makes that course extra beautiful.
And, so, anyway, we're into that part of the year. Happy spring. Hope everything's working out for you. Do we, by any chance, the show, by the way, if you don't know and you're new, you stumbled on this somehow. The show is for you, the new people, the folks that are looking for freedom. You're our target audience. And, even more so if you're just getting into this, you're still a bit confused. It can be confusing to some. And, because they've enslaved you in your mind, and you're wanting to know more about it, or you're wanting to be a bona fide truth seeker. Well, man, you're our kind of guy or gal. K?
So, if you're in one of those conditions and you got questions, please hit star six, open the mic, and say, hey, Roger, and we'll recognize you and try and address your query. Yes, Paul? Yes?
[00:07:33] Unknown:
Yeah. And we'll give you a minute or two to thaw out so you can, so your fingers work to, to hit the button. I don't know about anybody else, but I woke up at below 30 degrees with snow on the ground.
[00:07:47] Unknown:
Yikes. Well, good morning. That's ridiculous.
[00:07:50] Unknown:
It's April. Come on. April showers, pre made flowers, not April snowflakes.
[00:07:56] Unknown:
This is Easter week, folks. Easter week. Mhmm. I hearken back, because, what? Two days is Good Friday. And, in my youth when I lived, with my parents, still a high school ish type, age bracket. I was in Anchorage, Alaska on Elmendorf Air Force Base. And on that Good Friday, thank god, the schools were closed. They used to they still used to recognize Good Friday and Christian traditions back then. And because school is closed, there's no students in there. We had a very modern high school. I think it cost more to build our high school than it did to buy the state of Alaska. A few years involved in between the two, but, but they had let our school out. And, fortunately, that was the case because about half of the Second Floor of the school caved in. And there have been an awful lot of casualties, then. Me, possibly one of them.
But, anyway, that was many years ago, and I don't think the dates will coincide because the changing around of Easter. But, yeah, quite a, quite an experience for a young man. I think I was 15. And, man, we because you didn't have to be 16 to go get booze anymore because all the, all the liquor stores, that earthquake of that severity ended up with a lot of their stock on the floor broken. And so anybody that had funds that came along, they'd they'd be happy to sell you some. So, as a young man of that age, I was endeavoring in some of that stuff. It's very interesting. I remember one particular incident then, Paul, And right down on 4 Anchorage has Fourth Avenue and then Fifth Avenue. And on Fifth Avenue, they had, built a new JCPenney big JCPenney store.
And when that earthquake hit, a lot of the frontal siding, I guess, it was rock and stuff they'd put up on the side of the building, and my a lot of that came down. And, so I was, downtown with some of my friends there, and, they had machine gun nests set up on the corners for looting and all that kind of stuff. But I remember I was, I was smoking back then, you know, and I went to light a cigarette. Paul, it's an interesting story. And some guy in the next block saw what I was doing. You know, don't light that cigarette. And it was right around that JC Penney's building, and there was all kinds of gas leaks and stuff.
And, heck, I could have blown the whole city up, you know, being like clockwork orange. At least the block. And without even being intentional and stuff. But, but, yeah, that's pretty wild experience to live through. I still remember a lot of it. We were talking about it with somebody that has, had lived in Alaska the other day at lunch a couple weeks ago because he lived in Anchorage. He's familiar with that. And he would also live down in Homer, Alaska, which is South of Anchorage on the Kenai Peninsula. I've talked about it before. I think it's got to be one of the most stunningly beautiful spots on God's green earth is Homer, H 0 M E R, Alaska. It's just stunning, man. I mean, it really is a, a breathtaking, sight when you come over the hill and look down in the valley of well, across the the the it's right at the, entrance of Cook Inlet.
So if you look to the right, you've got the opening where it goes to the Gulf Of Alaska and all the ship traffic goes in and out. And if you look immediately to the left, there's this long bay called Kachemak Bay at about a 45 degree angle to Cook Inlet. And, the whole other side of Kachemak Bay there, there are mountains. There's a mountain range there. You can see 11 glaciers from that point of view. And, then Kachemak Bay, they feed down and melt down into Kachemak Bay, and it's this beautiful, beautiful, glacial blue, you know, that kind of milky blue.
And then right towards the Kachemak Bay where it connects into Cook Inlet right in front of you there, because of the tide 22 feet twice a day, sometimes moving a lot of sand, and it has deposited that sand into a five mile spit. So there's a natural spit of deposited dirt and sand and stuff from these tides and this interaction of g geography there. And, there's a five mile spit that sticks out into this beautiful ice glacial Blue Bay. And then in the fall, if you're there, because we were always there in August, and, the state flower of Alaska is a fireweed.
And so on this hill you're standing on looking at this gorgeous scene is all just solid red, fire fireweed red. And then there's a glacial blue, beautiful contrast, and this I mean, it's just stunning. Just this stunning scene in front of you. Homer, Alaska, if you ever get a chance to go up there, you might wanna think about it. And, of course, that is where for a while, Tom Bodette lived. Remember mister Bodette there, Paul? We'll leave the light on for you. And, that was where he chose to, be domiciles. He probably resided there, but let's just try and give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he might have been domiciled there. Anyway, quite a, quite a it's a vision that's just in my mind from my youth, and I call it up. I can just see it. You know? Beautiful Yeah. Beautiful spot on the world if you ever get the chance. Don't don't not go there.
[00:13:44] Unknown:
So anyway Hey, Rod. Rum and stuff. Yes, Paul. You were talking about a book, Slouching Towards Gomorrah. Slouching. Slouching. Slouching. Slouching towards Gomorrah. I did find that. It's on archive.org, and I dropped a link in the, free conference call chat. There is a poem at the beginning by William Butler Yeats.
[00:14:07] Unknown:
Yeah. What does he say? Because Bork was a pretty sharp guy. Bork Bork, the guy they kept off the Supreme Court, unfortunately, was a pretty sharp guy and very conservative. Why don't you give us this poem we put in the front of his book, slouching towards Gomorrah?
[00:14:22] Unknown:
Yeah. And there's a good reason why William Butler Yeats's, the second coming is probably the most quoted poem of our time. The image of the world disintegrating, then to be subjected to a brutal force speaks to our fears now. The second coming, burning and turning in the widening gyre. The falcon cannot hear the falconer. Things fall apart. The center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world. The blood dimmed tide is loosed and everywhere. The ceremony of innocence is drowned. The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.
Surely, some revelation is at hand. Surely, the second coming is at hand. The second coming. Hardly are those words out when a vast image out of a spiritus Monday troubles my sight somewhere in sands of the desert. A shape with lion body in the head of a man, a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun is moving its slow thighs while all about it, real shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again, but now I know that twenty centuries of stony sleep were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, and what rough beast, it's hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born.
William Butler Yeats. Wrote that in 1919.
[00:16:08] Unknown:
Wow. And he took that and just substituted, Gomorrah for Bethlehem. Anyway, he was quite the conservative. I don't know if he's still with us or not. That was back in the nineties or the eighties. I know. And, as I said, they put a whole new verb in the lexicon to to bork someone, meant to put into these, all these hurdles and crap that these assholes like Ted Kennedy would put people like mister Bork through and then get them, denied for a Supreme Court spot. Go ahead, Paul.
[00:16:41] Unknown:
And it's important to note that this is Robert h Bork, not l b Bork.
[00:16:50] Unknown:
Oh, please. Thank you.
[00:16:54] Unknown:
Thank you. The link the, the PDF is 983 pages long. That's a good afternoon read. And link is in the chat.
[00:17:05] Unknown:
And, of course, mister Boer said, I could turn this around a couple of months. But but then the unspoken part was, but everybody's gotta buy my book for a hundred dollars first. Yeah. Okay. No. No, no motives there. So, anyway, here we're off on a Wednesday morning. Anybody got anything you'd like to bring up? There's some interesting things that are happening around this. Looks like we got a black white issue or so building again. And if they are going to try and make this the summer of love twenty five, these types of incidents add inertia and emotion to their plan.
But does anybody have anything to say first? It's pretty quiet. There's somebody. There's somebody in it. As Larry. Yes, sir.
[00:17:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Am I coming in clear? Is there a lot of noise? No. You're alright as long as you're talking. Yeah. Question for Paul, and then I have another, comment. I thought he was, moving to Georgia. He said it's there's snow on the ground, and it's really cold. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's 32 degrees right now.
[00:18:13] Unknown:
It was below 30 when I woke up, and there's a dusting of snow on the ground.
[00:18:18] Unknown:
You ain't in Georgia? In Georgia?
[00:18:20] Unknown:
No. I ain't in Georgia yet.
[00:18:24] Unknown:
He's working towards it, though. I'm working toward it.
[00:18:27] Unknown:
I'm working on
[00:18:29] Unknown:
it.
[00:18:30] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Great. Yeah. Getting back to, when you started the show off with, talking about yesterday was the, the date for tax being due. If you're owed a refund, you don't have to go by the April 15 due date. That's just FYI. That's right. True for both US citizens and nationals because, obviously, if you have a national that's attempting to get all of their withholdings back and they complete a 10 40 m r, they don't even have to go by that due date because they're getting a full refund. And even a US citizen, if they're getting a a refund, which will be a partial, you know, amount of their withholdings.
They they don't have to go by the April 15 due date either. It's only if you owe the IRS money. And another thing is if you if you file early, if you ever have to go by if you ever have to do the revocation of election or whatever or if if you have to go by a certain date, it automatically defaults to the April 15 date. So, for example, if you filed in February and, you know, your tax return, whether you're owed money or you had to pay in money, according to the IRS rules, that automatically defaults to the April 15 date. So just FYI.
[00:20:02] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, I think. Yeah. If you owe them money, they want it. And if they owe you money, they don't care if you file for it or not. Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it, there?
[00:20:15] Unknown:
Exactly. That's why, yesterday when I read that that, article from USA Today, their IRS is trying to get people to file for 2021 because there's still a mill a one a little bit over a billion dollars on the table that they that they haven't paid out for refunds.
[00:20:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I'm sure they wanna get you that back. Yeah. That was the first year of COVID. A lot of people didn't file. Everything's still kinda in some confusion somewhat from that. But all I know is I'm not responsible, and they don't reach out to me anymore. So good luck, boys and girls, and hopefully, you can find your way through the maze of of, what what was, what was Wilson's language, burdensome and antiquated tax code administered by foreign agents. And, of course, that story, revolving around that incident, I've told it a few times, especially, I think we've mentioned it here lately.
Pardon me from my stomach reacting to my drink here this morning. That was the very first thing I ever found when I really went looking for stuff on my own to Cobb County Library. You didn't have any of this on the Internet. And reference section. There was a red book. I remember it was red. And, it was, important legal documents in history. So I grabbed it and I knew the year we were talking about was twenty nineteen thirteen already. And so I started looking around in that time frame, and, bam, there's this little short you can go look at it on the web. I encourage you to look at it. It's called Woodrow Wilson's repudiation of dollar diplomacy.
Woodrow Wilson, repudiation of dollar diplomacy. And must have been pretty early in mister Wilson's tenure because they didn't have their hooks into him yet. And as he says in that communication that, that he was approached by a consortium. That's a very nice word, a consortium of bankers. He didn't wanna say a cartel of bankers. He used consortium. So a consortium of bankers to, cosign on a loan to China for a hundred million dollars, so they could help establish and build railroads and help establish this one, this great country still looking for a way to solidify its citizenry or something eloquent like that.
And, it says one of the main reasons that they will refuse to cosign was because of the, the political, some of the political implications of the treaty that might go straight to the heart of the country here as they're starting to wake up to democracy. Again, something along that effect. And so, mister Wilson declined it. And then in the verbiage, he said it was one of the main reasons was the tax system that was antiquated and burdensome and administered by foreign agents. So we've it's in my book. I've excerpted some of that in the book, and it was I tried to turn people onto it. Many people couldn't understand it at that time or so my friend David Strait told me. And, they were pretty simple to me.
Right there on the surface, that's a blueprint, and that's how they do all the countries. So we went along for many years knowing that and referring to it and whatnot. And then, right during COVID, I got a real itch to start studying China. And, the program I would watch is called, I think, China in Focus, and it's on YouTube. And, sponsored by the funds behind it is the epic times, which is one of the better news organizations, I think, in the whole world these days, quite frankly. It's a Chinese guy behind it, rampant anti communist, had made a bunch of money doing something, and he backs up at times.
So there's, the guy's name is Phillips. I wanna say Judd Phillips, but I know that's not right. But it's the guy that represents that at times is on a lot of especially video stuff. His last name is Phillips, and he's talking to this gal on one of the programs I was watching. Older gal, nice suit, dressed in a nice suit. And, she is the head of the organization that helps countries settle bond deficits by trading out debt. An attorney, very sharp. And, she was telling the story and she said specifically, I have met this first term. I have met with president Trump, and he knows about this. All knows about what?
Well, back in those days, evidently, the consortium of bankers went ahead and loaned China the hundred million dollars even though woods Wilson wouldn't sign for it. So what did they want Wilson to sign, cosign for? So he could send the military in there and give a muscle and leverage on the payback, on the burdensome and antiquated, tax system, etcetera? And so, what this lady and I do not remember her name. I'm sorry to say. This lady was saying that that's what we do is we trade debts out every day. There's nothing unusual at all. It's what we do. And so she went on to tell the story that that hundred million dollars boy, this is a really good example of compound interest for you too, being the eighth wonder of the world.
The, the the Chinese is up holding up to their reputation, never paid a single payment on any of the bond issue. That was from about 1913. And so but they loaned them the money anyway. And so we went all those years with not a single payment. We got them into the transition of being a whatever country they were to a communist country. Mao Mao killed more people than any other dictator in history. Paul, do you know about what he did to the sparrows? Do you know the sparrows incident over there during Mao?
[00:26:55] Unknown:
No.
[00:26:56] Unknown:
No? Really? No. Oh, you can go find it on YouTube. Well, he got to the point where he thought the people weren't hungry, weren't get have enough food because the the little English sparrow, little innocent English sparrow was eating all their grain. And so he put out a, dictum to the country to never let a sparrow rest. If they ever were on a tree or anything on your property, you'd get out there and keep them flying all the time. And he eventually killed all the sparrows in China, this method. This is true story. You can go find it. K? And, so then because the sparrow was gone, they weren't eating the grain. They were eating the insects that attacked the grain. So now they had a full blown famine.
Okay? Because of his ignorant, stupid communist decisions. Okay? They actually had to go to England and get sparrows and bring them back to China to repopulate and and have any sparrows there to get things back in equilibrium. That's true story, folks. Go look it up. Okay? That's how wacko these people are. So anyway, they never paid a payment on any of that loans. And so when
[00:28:08] Unknown:
England I remember. You went to or Pardon
[00:28:12] Unknown:
me? Remember when that happened, the the Sparrowdale is trade.
[00:28:16] Unknown:
Yeah. It's true. It's hard to it's hard to believe, Joe, but it's true. K? So, anyway, after that, they they still didn't pay any of these payments on this hundred million dollar loan. So when England want went to give back Hong Kong and whatever concessions they made in that deal, part of the agreement was they had to pay off the English bondholders, which were probably the Rothschilds. If it you know? Rothschilds probably went back and found out who the bondholders were and paid them maybe 50¢ on the dollar, 20 cents on the dollar, got their bonds because they knew this was being cooked up. And so when when they paid all those off, it I'm sure it went to the Rothschilds. Okay. So they paid off about half of the bond issue from 1913 to the Rothschilds, mostly. Maybe been some other, quote, unquote, oligarchs there.
But what she then, told us on that program was there's 20,000 bondholders from this bond issue in The US. And, of course, China hates The US. They, again, had never paid them one single penny on them $20,000 bonds. And so now whatever the amount was, let's say 50,000,000 just for grins, was now worth 1,700,000,000,000.0. So that compound interest had gone all almost from 50,000,000 to a hundred and 7,000,000,000,000. That, folks, is compound interest. That, folks, is why our enemies like it so much, and they like their usury so much because they just get flat rich over it. K?
So, that was the deal now. She said earlier in the interview that Trump knew this. She'd spoken with him about it personally in his office, And I I've never heard it brought up. It's only from those two incidents that this was the first piece of paper I ever found that indicted these people in some degree. And and there was this loan, and now all of a sudden, all these years later, the loan's popping up unpaid. And these stories go behind it. So, but what Trump could do, I probably could still do it. He goes to those bondholders. There's 20,000 of them and gives them well, let's say he's gonna be real generous, Joe, and he gives them a dime on the dollar. So they get 10¢ on the dollar of what that's mounted up to with compound interest, but they never see that otherwise. If they don't take that payoff from somebody at some amount, it's just a worthless piece of paper. Okay?
So Trump could have bought those bonds at a hundred thousand dollars, hundred and 70 thousand dollars, something like that, 10¢ on the dollar, and gone back in every month when we had to pay China, just pay their own debt back to them that they never honored. And so he and that's like I said, I've never seen it brought up. I could never put it together if I didn't know the first on that piece of paper in that deal, and then all these years later see the repercussions of it with nonpayment. And, Trump could really put them over the barrel with this. So we'll see if it ever comes up or not. At least we know about it. And, I sure wish mister Trump would pull the trigger and say, hey, Chi. I got this style pile of debt right here, and it's yours.
And you gotta honor it, and I'm gonna feed it back to you. Because at that time, we only owe them 1,200,000,000,000.0. We had a hun 1,700,000,000,000.0 of their debt sitting there. We just still been a half a trillion dollars ahead. We'll see if that ever comes out or not, but it is a true story. And, it's quite interesting, and it really is a great example to show you the power of compound interest. K? One of the best examples I've ever seen, actually, in real life. So, anyway, that's, that's that going on. Does anybody have any comments on that? Well, you're a really quiet bunch today.
[00:32:27] Unknown:
Roger.
[00:32:29] Unknown:
There's somebody. I think it's a female. Yes, ma'am. Is that Julie?
[00:32:34] Unknown:
Robbie.
[00:32:36] Unknown:
Robbie Robbie. Hello.
[00:32:38] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. One of the big issues right now is the Real ID that Trump is pushing. Yes. And many are calling it. Well Many are calling it mark of the beast because you won't be able to do anything about
[00:32:54] Unknown:
Trump's not pushing it. Kristi Noem brought it up. He may even not hardly know about it, but that's correct. It's becoming an issue, and he didn't bring it up. He's not pushing it. Kristi Noem, the what do they call her now? Her new nickname is the ice Barbie, you know, because she's dressing up in all these uniforms and outfits and purtying herself up and everything to go out there and hold gun at people's head and threaten people. Well, that's the ice Barbie. She brought it up.
[00:33:26] Unknown:
K? Well, I have heard other sources saying that Trump is also pushing it, But it's a very serious thing, and, I'm very concerned about it. I did post in the I did post in the chat, and I sent you an email with the info. Don't okay. Don't be concerned.
[00:33:45] Unknown:
Just go get yourself a passport because a passport will suffice for it. Okay? Do you do much flying, Robbie? Robbie? Rob? Roger. Hold on. I wanna ask Robbie a question. Do you do much flying? No. I don't. Okay. Well, that's the only thing it affects is getting into government buildings and flying. But if you wanna get around it, go get a passport. That suffices. Okay? For everybody in the audience. Alright? So, yes, Larry. Thank you, Robbie.
[00:34:19] Unknown:
Yeah. This, this whole notion of a a beast system, the mark of the beast, in my opinion, that's just a doctrine and a creation of Christian Zionism and probably shouldn't have anything to worry about all of that, what I believe to be nonsense. And, get back to what you're talking about, compound interest. So there's nothing wrong with compound interest. Right? It's just it it just depends on if it's being used for good or evil. Correct?
[00:34:50] Unknown:
Well, I guess you could say that. I think, interest is kinda outlawed in our our Christian area, and the one that let it back in is, oh, the Switzerland guy. I I his name escaped. Calvin. Calvinism. Calvin. John Calvin is the one that brought that back in. He was a very scholastically oriented person. There's some evidence he might had some Jewish connections in his background, but he's the one that let he turned a question from interest or no interest to how much is usury. How much interest is usury? Oh, this is the line. If it's over this percentage, it's usury. If under, it's not. So he kinda changed the perspective on it. This is my understanding, Larry. Calvin, John Calvin.
[00:35:38] Unknown:
Right. Because, I mean, obviously, a lot of students have retirement accounts. Like, I have Vanguard. And, I mean, you know, you're making money, I guess, based on compound interest. And so I I would think that that's a kind of a, an amoral type of situation. It's either moral nor immoral. It depends on how you Right. Use it for good or bad. Right?
[00:36:05] Unknown:
Right. I guess so. I guess it could be construed that way. I prefer I don't have any compound interest. I don't have any retirement accounts. I bought a bunch of gold. And in the last twenty something years, it's been the highest performing asset in the world over any of those other usurers no matter what the amount is. So I'm I wasn't enriched by usury. I was enriched by the, price, and the spot price of gold. But, you know, now, Larry, gold's up to $3,200. Okay? Well, I bought mine as considerably cheaper than that. So did did the the value of the gold go up from 300 to $3,200?
[00:36:46] Unknown:
Well, it's the it's the loss of, buying power of dollar bill. It's it's the paper.
[00:36:54] Unknown:
It's the paper that has lost that amount. Gold didn't go up that much. The paper lost that much of its purchasing power.
[00:37:02] Unknown:
Right. That's exactly what I'm saying.
[00:37:04] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. I'm just clarifying it. So yeah. Yep. That's where we are. So, anyway, I'm I I hope some of y'all, we keep preaching here to if you got any extra shekels laying around, you might wanna go find some gold or silver to buy because, man, we're headed for some sort of a financial calamity. Now how much Trump's gonna be able to downplay that? I don't know. These people are hell bent. They've got very powerful controls, obviously, to accomplish what they need. But, the better position you're in, the better position, the better your weather, whatever's coming. So just stay. Just write that on a rock and bury it. Okay? It was not advice. It's just a suggestion.
But I promise you that's coming.
[00:37:52] Unknown:
So, This is Chris from California. Hey, Chris. Hey, buddy. How are you doing this morning? Good morning. Just fine. Just fine. It's a good morning out here in California. Good. I was, looking on on the Internet, about some you know, to find out, you know, in from what I could about, nationals and so forth. And I found that the general, take on the Internet, I would assume among the propaganda, is that, the national movement is, is on the rise up to about 300,000 people, they estimate. Mhmm. And, they equate nationals with it says it's the newer breed of the,
[00:38:34] Unknown:
of the sovereign citizen movement. I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming. Yeah. And,
[00:38:40] Unknown:
but I was looking around, and I found something, the UScode.house.gov. I don't know if you're familiar with the publication l, nine nine nine two three ninety
[00:38:52] Unknown:
six. No. I don't think I'm six. I don't think I'm familiar with it once you inform us. Okay.
[00:38:58] Unknown:
Okay. It says the amendment made by section a, amending this section shall apply to persons born before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this act. In case of a person born before the date of the enactment of this act. Are you gonna be around? Yes.
[00:39:20] Unknown:
Hold hold on just a second, Chris. Please, whoever's listening has got your mic open and having a conversation in the background. Chris's audio is always a bit faint anyway, and this is, somewhat of complex legislation type stuff. If you could hit your mute where we could all concentrate on what Chris is saying, we'd all appreciate it. Thank you. Go ahead, Chris.
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Okay. I'll repeat it. In case of a person born before the date of the enactment of this act, number one, the status of a national of The United States shall not be considered to be conferred upon the person until the date the person establishes to the satisfaction of the secretary of state that the person meets the requirements of section three zero eight four of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Know anything about that? What is that? And what is that three zero eight four? I didn't look there yet, so I don't know. Well
[00:40:21] Unknown:
well, I I don't I don't know how to give you an answer if I don't know what it's referring to. And I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't see how they can put a date in and say anyone born before this or after this, this, that, and the other. What was the name of the legislation you're talking about? Well, it was under, it was at under u UScode.house.gov
[00:40:43] Unknown:
publication
[00:40:44] Unknown:
l. Okay.
[00:40:45] Unknown:
And, that's all I know. And, Okay. I also ran across this situation, under a site called Police one about Chase Allen was shot to death by traffic officers in Farmington, Utah.
[00:41:00] Unknown:
Did you know about that? No. Who's that? Chase who? Chase who? Chase. Oh, I do know that. I'd I've seen the videos that where he got pulled over and the cops and this, that, and the other. I don't believe he ever had any paperwork on file, that guy. I think he was like one of Anton Wright's people or David Strait. They they shot him, like, 20 times. It was incredible. Okay. Oh, well, unusual for Utah, I'd say, but I think it did happen. And,
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Roger, can I comment on that?
[00:41:35] Unknown:
I guess you can, Dave.
[00:41:37] Unknown:
So this young man, you know, claimed to be in, you know, a national, and he got pulled over. His mother was in a embattled in a lawsuit with the cops in the state and the this and the that. And they knew him, and he had a gun on his on a holster. And when they he wouldn't get out of his car. I don't remember the exact circumstances to pull over. That's correct. But they they ripped his door open, and they said, oh, god. God. And they opened fired on him, and they murdered that boy. But like like he, Chris said over 20 times. And I'm sure that is still in litigation, but they murdered him because his mother was suing them bastards. And Yeah. You know, I don't I don't know what the lawsuit was about. I can't remember all that, but it's all contrived BS. And, they did kill him, and that's what they do because they're freaking rogue thugs, and they don't care about the people at IU. Well, let's hope that let's hope that's changing. It's pretty unusual that that was in Utah,
[00:42:38] Unknown:
especially. But, yeah, I know about that, Chris, and it's been a few years, but I remember the incident. And Dave's right. His mother had, some kind of lawsuit going against the police department. I don't know the particulars, but that was some background that wasn't in the article there. And then I have one other issue.
[00:42:57] Unknown:
I've sent a, an email to Mark about, this Chris question.
[00:43:03] Unknown:
I may About this what question?
[00:43:05] Unknown:
About about a question about I'm a trustee of a trust, and we're selling a piece of property who at the end of the closing and title wants a Social Security number from me and, other information. I told them I'm a national. And this situation, you know, on the sale of this property, I'm not getting anything. All the creditors are being paid off, and a couple of notes are being paid off. I'm not Right. I told them, I said, I'm not getting anything. I don't need a 1099. They want a ten ninety nine me for what I don't know.
[00:43:41] Unknown:
Okay. Well, the $10.99 wouldn't make any difference, and it does. Well, there's Chris right there. And, and and and the Social Security has no bearing on any kind of judiciary, judicial nexus with a person. So I'm gonna let Mark weigh in here. Hey. Welcome back, man. You getting your feet on the ground?
[00:44:01] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Doing better. Doing better. Okay. Good good to be home. I was a little longer than I'd like to stay in Vegas. But, anyway, on Larry, on that situation, it shouldn't be your Social Security number. It should be a tax identification number for the trust. Yes. You're the trustee of the trust. You're signing up on documents as a trustee for the trust. So there should not be any requirement for you to provide them a Social Security number. Now, as a national, it really doesn't matter whether they get that or not. Yeah. There's no taxable event that would be, you know, tied to you. Well, the,
[00:44:49] Unknown:
the trust is a land trust. All it was designed to do was hold the land, hold title to the land. I understand. And, so, there and there is so there is no EIN number or anything for the trust.
[00:45:03] Unknown:
Okay. This is this is exactly why one of the things I see is that the trust in most general reasons or for most general purposes, I'll be the right word, could just go get a tax identification number from the IRS. It's super simple. You can do it online. And the key is that you make sure that you select for banking purposes only. So they're needing some tax identification number. If the trust doesn't have one, they want yours. And the next question is, if you do give them the tax benefit let's say you went and got a tax identification number four of the trust, would that now put the trust under a tax obligation?
That could be a concern, and I would look at that. Because now if the trust doesn't make any money from from the transaction, then it's not it's not a concern.
[00:45:59] Unknown:
Well, that's that's the situation. However, see, when we do trust, we like to just keep them common law trust, you know, irrevocable trust, and no money goes in or out of the trust. The trust is primarily for asset protection and to just hold it, on title, until whatever future purpose.
[00:46:21] Unknown:
You understand? I'm teaching classes on trust. Yeah. I know. I understand. So but the question is, it looked like from your email, I just happened to be kind of it's good timing because I just kind of perused over your email, before you asked the question on on the show today. If I'm if I understand things correctly, the land was already in the name of the trust. Is that correct?
[00:46:46] Unknown:
That's correct. Yes.
[00:46:48] Unknown:
Okay. So this this is one of the reasons why I teach that getting a tax identification number for for a trust, doesn't it doesn't make it a a it doesn't void it of being a common law trust. It's just an identification number. A common law trust is just something that's not recorded or required to go through some statutory process like probate. If you're registering the trust with the public, like in the public records or or with the state or a county, then it's it's a statutory trust. It doesn't have anything to do with its tax identification number. The tax identification number is for banking purposes or in this case tax purposes.
But it doesn't make it a it doesn't doesn't take away a status as a common law trust. So if if you don't have a tax identification number and they're gonna require one to transfer title, you're either gonna have to get one for the trust or you're gonna have to provide your own Social Security number. Which is really blowback.
[00:47:58] Unknown:
And I don't think there's any blowback you've given your your SS number. You know? It's not your number. It's their number. You know, that's what John used to say. He said, I don't have a u a Social Security number. I have a Social Security account. They came up with that number to identify my account, but I don't have a number. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you understand that as I've put forward before, you know,
[00:48:22] Unknown:
I've never entered the system through a ten forty form. I've never signed one. I'm Okay. Opposed to using any types of numbers from the federal government at all. Alright. I wanna stay clear of getting any numbers for any trust. None of our trust have any EIN numbers or anything like that. We don't want any part of that stuff. Okay. Well, if you're gonna do what you wanna do with this, you may have to,
[00:48:50] Unknown:
alter your your deal a little bit. What, Mark?
[00:48:54] Unknown:
I'm I'm just saying then why is he asking the question? You know?
[00:48:58] Unknown:
Well, because they're they're requesting it, before yeah. As, one of the last final items to close the this escrow.
[00:49:07] Unknown:
I understand. So what so you have a concern about the numbers and Roger and I don't. So this is where our difference of opinion is. So you're trying to live outside of some kind of system that you got made up in your mind. And we're saying as a national, it doesn't really matter. That's the whole liberating part of being a national. I'm not trying to hide out and not use the number. Now if you have a strong religious belief against the, you know, using some kind of number as part of your identification, that's a whole different story. But I haven't heard that. Well, that's the essence of it right there.
Okay. Well, then you're going to have to fight a battle on religious freedom then. But outside of that, there's no reason to be concerned about that number, about using a number. What if I offered them my,
[00:50:02] Unknown:
my a copy of my, affidavit?
[00:50:05] Unknown:
Oh,
[00:50:06] Unknown:
I don't think you've processed the bridge before, but you're Again don't work. Again, your status has nothing to do with the Social Security number, Chris. Anybody in the world can contract with Social Security, feed them a little bit of their paycheck, and supposedly get a retirement down the line. There is no jurisdictional nexus here. That's old patriot mythology.
[00:50:31] Unknown:
Well, I look for all of my prosperity from the Lord, and he prospers me very well. Okay. Well, Chris, I think
[00:50:38] Unknown:
Oh, buddy, we've given you the best answer we can give you. You're gonna have to do one or the other. Okay. And I I there's there's nothing else I can tell you. We can sit here and talk about it for the rest of the show, but it has no bearing on what we no. Just hold on a second, girls. It has no bearing on what we here do here is to pull you out of the system and allow you to get out. And the Social Security number has nothing to do with that. Nothing. Okay? Okay. So just what I've learned. Alright? Now the girls are here. There's several women got Chris. Hold on, girl. I know you're chomping at the bit. Who who was that Mirka?
[00:51:15] Unknown:
Yes. Okay. I'm just wondering about Chris. He does common law trust. I'm wondering how that's going for him when he's teaching or doing the trust under common law without the numbers.
[00:51:28] Unknown:
Let's do it. It sounds like it's going real well until you gotta sell one of them.
[00:51:34] Unknown:
Because, I mean, I like the idea of not not using The US system or their numbers, because we are no longer U United States citizens. So under natural law, it should be all private. So I'm just wondering how it's working out for the people that are doing it that way.
[00:51:51] Unknown:
Roger. Well, this is the first time we've sold a piece of copy.
[00:51:57] Unknown:
There's some kind of funky noise coming through here, and I don't know. I I Chris always has kind of a a sub a subnormal audio. Go ahead, Chris. Let's see if we can get it straightened out. This
[00:52:10] Unknown:
yeah. This is the first time we've ever sold a piece of property.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
Uh-huh. And you should be able to use your affidavit as a, tool for selling property,
[00:52:22] Unknown:
private to another private person. You should be able to He's not selling it. The trust is selling it, MRCA.
[00:52:29] Unknown:
And the trust is under the common law without any numbers. So it's a private test trust.
[00:52:35] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. That I understand clearly. But this is to an investor where we have an escrow company and a title company. May I title company is go ahead.
[00:52:45] Unknown:
Yeah. So this is Julie. So, Brent Johnson, he's the one who teaches Commonwealth Trust without getting any numbers off of the IRS website and he has said before that in order to sell that without an EIN number or any number associated with it, you have to find an escrow company that's willing to do that. If you can't, then you've got to transfer that house out of the common law trust into a trust that has a number associated in order to complete the transaction. Also, I might want to add something here. Mark, his trust class was excellent.
Mark is amazing when it comes to these things and I would caution you on using the terms that you put it for asset protection. Mark says you never wanna say that. You always wanna use the word for estate planning purposes. You you wanna get that asset protection out of your mind because if you use that in some sort of court, it it just doesn't bode well with the judge. It's always estate planning purposes if they ask high yield. Well, yes. We know that. We always use for estate planning.
[00:53:54] Unknown:
I just I just threw that in Yeah. Because that's an added feature of the trust. Right. Assets.
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No. I know. But I would just you don't wanna make the mistake if you're ever in court or something like that. You use that in your in your privacy. You're liable to make a mistake in a you could potentially make a mistake in a court and make that statement when it's you know, I just don't even use that anymore. Just use state planning purposes that Mark taught me to memorize that. So, but yes, the common law thing is very tricky if you don't have any numbers associated with that and it's in the trust. You're going to have to call around title companies and tell them what the situation is and find out if they're willing to do that. And if they're not willing to do that, then my advice would be to take it out and and get it out of the common law trust and and then sell it that way. Okay. Alrighty. Anybody else got any suggestions for, Fletcher? I I got one. Yeah. Larry does. Linda Louise. Okay. We got this.
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Okay, Larry. You're on the back burner. Go ahead, Linda.
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Yes. One of the, important reasons why I sent my affidavit by registered mail is because registered mail is private. And that number is a number that you can use when you wanna convey property in the private, in the common law. And I don't think a lot of people recognize how important that is. So that is why yours truly spent the money, which wasn't a lot of money, put the registered mail number on it. And now on my affidavit, I have that registered mail number, and, it's nine digits, and I can use this as my TIN number, so to speak, but it's not a TIN number because it has nothing to do with their system. It's totally private, and it's totally lawful, and there's not another one another number like it anywhere in this system. That's why those registered mail numbers are so critical, and I yield.
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Alrighty. The whistler's there. Larry's on hold. Paul's on the front burner, and he says?
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Okay. Larry, front burner.
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Yeah. I'd I'd like to encourage Chris from California to, ask his question to Brent Winters on Friday about, you know, he his about Chris having a religious conviction about using the Social Security number. I'd be interested in hearing what Brent Winters would have to say. And then, I'd also like to know when he first came on the air, he was quoting some code and then he asked you what you thought about 308 something. And you said, well, what is 308? And he says, well, I don't know. I haven't looked it up. Can he repeat those two codes again, please? It it was the the website with The US and the statutes or something, some gov site, and then this was publication
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l that was listed on there. Chris, would you give him more specific info, please?
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Sure. It's UScode.house.gov. Publication L99Dash396 section 15 b, 08/27/1986. '1 hundred statute eight forty three.
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That's a statute at large site, by the way.
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Yes. Yeah. K.
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So, alright. You can go scurry around and do what you need to do with that, Larry. Okay. Who's got something else either? Okay. There's one right there. Yes, sir.
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Alan out of Indiana. Hello, Alan. In the last couple of week you know, last couple of weeks, you talked about sending a letter to the attorney general that you're a national and you needed protection. Could you go over that a little bit? And, Yeah. Also, did Mark have any information on that?
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Well, I don't think either one of us have had a a much of a chance to draw up the document we'd like to have to give to each of you. And that's one case where this is a cover letter that you would want to or a memorandum of law that you might want to attach to the copy of the affidavit you send them. Okay, Alan. All this goes back to the origins in the early days of the feudal system and the formula that was developed for jurisdiction or what gives that unelected bureaucrat over there the power to make man made laws and enforce them on me? That's the question. K? And so in those days, that was settled by the reciprocating formula of protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection.
And to invoke that formula, all you have to do is invoke one of these sides. You can invoke allegiance. Protection is automatically put in there. You could bring up protection. Allegiance is automatically put in there. It's an automatic reciprocal formula, and it's not a choice. It's a duty or an obligation based on what, Mark, over a thousand years of jurisprudence? Something like that. You know, and I often bring up the example of the in the movies. You see the movies and the guy's got his fist and he he's in his armor and he's talking to the Lord of the Manor. He goes, yes, my liege. Yes, my liege. And he bumps his hand on his chest and his heart. Well, liege, l l e I g e, is the root word of allegiance.
Okay? Now where does this come into play for us? It comes into play for us in that section eight, whatever the, whatever the title eight, whatever the section is, comes from the nationality act of 1940. Definition a, a national owes total allegiance to a small estate. Alright. And what do we learn? We learned that when allegiance is brought up, it automatically invokes protection. It doesn't have to be in that sentence. It's automatic and it's understood. It's not a choice. It's an obligation or a duty. Okay? You you have you got that much, Alan? Alan?
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Yes. I'm here.
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Alan? Okay. Well, do you have you got that much so far? Yes. I hear you. Have you got that much so far? I don't wanna go on if you don't have the underlying foundation. It's critically important. Protection for allegiance. I Protection. When we file the affidavit I sent that in I sent that in with my affidavits. Yes. Okay. Alright. Well, that's fine. But what we're doing in the affidavit is we're declaring ourselves to be a national. So that means we're fulfilling that title eight, we owe total allegiance to a small estate now and not The United States. So when you file that with your state, their Indiana, unbeknownst to the attorney general of Indiana, I'm sure, is what we just talked about. They probably have never been exposed to this before.
Now in the current situation, their protection is, your protection is not from the state. It's from the federal government because you've pledged them allegiance. But when you answered those two questions, yes, I'm this, yes, I'm that, will you pledge them allegiance? Okay? So the federal government gives you protection. Now that has changed when you file your affidavit. Now the protection of due and owing is not from the federal government anymore. This this formula has changed. Now you're a national and you owe total allegiance to a small s state and not The US.
Got that. Okay? So when you do that, now the attorney general that you put on notice with your local sheriff, your local chief of police, all the other people, Now because they've been put on proper notice of a proper document filing, now their protection should shift to you. Instead of helping the sheriff and the court system enforce a speeding ticket, that's an obtrusive in include, inclusion from the federal government. That's the kind of stuff they're supposed to protect you from. So they don't know that is my strong suspicion, and they need to because this is our key.
Theoretically hold on, Alan. Theoretically, especially if they'd been put on notice, you may could go in and really go after them on failure to perform. Mark, what do you think of this at this point? Well, yeah. We have a fantastic
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supreme court case from 1875 that talks about allegiance and protection. It's called Minor, m I n o r, versus Happersett, h a, p as in papa, p as in papa, e r s e, t as in tango, t as in tango. Minor versus Happerset. Now I'm gonna read a a short quote from that that I think really says it all. So in their in their decision, this is the US Supreme Court in 1875, they they say this, quote, there cannot be a nation without a people. The very idea of a political community such as a nation is, implies an association of persons for the promotion of their general welfare.
Each one of the persons associated becomes a member of the nation formed by the association. He owes it allegiance and it is entitled to its protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other. Allegiance is for protection and protection for allegiance. Perfect. End quote.
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So when you're filing and putting the state on notice and you put the sheriff and all that, this is what comes to bear. And and, you know, this I only stumble on this in my mind a couple of years ago. We're on the show one day talking. It just all came together for me. You know? I never thought about it in that perspective before. But you see, that's the real teeth. We're looking for teeth. This is our teeth right here, and it's against your state because they've got a duty and an obligation to do this. Most of them, a, don't know that. Okay. I understand that. B, they need when they get exposed to it, though, they need to adhere to it because it's not a choice.
So they should be in there defending you against a traffic stop from a sheriff or police department. And especially if they try and take you into some magistrate's court and stuff, they owe you the obligation to stop that because they are giving you the protection of the federal government, not the protection of the smallest state, which is supposed to be protecting you. May maybe maybe Ohio, or or or wants to invade you over there or something. Well, the the AG of the state is supposed to call up the militia of the state as they defend the we're gonna go defend the state from Ohio. They're invading us.
Well, this is the with the traffic laws and stuff that are all federal, then that's kinda that's the same thing. Just a different realm. So, Alan, did that give you a better understanding?
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Yes. It did. And I did I did send my affidavit to all the Indiana state rep you know, government agencies.
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Oh, good. Good. And Well, I don't know about all of them, but certain okay. Go go ahead.
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Yeah. I I sent it to the attorney general, the sheriff's department, my county, you know. Right.
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Well, what we'd like to do is you you I don't know if you put any of that stuff in some sort of a way they could understand it. And what Mark and I would like to do is to write a short memorandum of law, which people could include in that mailing, which will give them this background. Now they've been put on notice. Now they either know or now they've been should have known. If they didn't know it when they received it, they should have stopped what they were doing and gone and researched it. What what you explained and Mark explained,
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I will try and put into a memorandum memorandum?
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Memorandum.
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And mail it to them. Mail it to them. You see what they say.
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Okay. Well, if you want to, that's fine. And, but it is it's a long time law. I mean, it's over a thousand years, established law. Even in that case, it says it perfectly. Protection for allegiance. Allegiance for protection. It's feudal system stuff, but it it and it applies to us particularly because we're in the feudal system now. You know, on the manor in the old days in the feudal system before the white the, oh, the, agreement that made everybody get into countries, and they would use the the law that was used on the manors was the law merchant.
And what does the law merchant have? It's So, like, right into this. So this is how the the law merchant feeds into the feudal system because that's the law they used on the manor. And they took it because of all the trade fairs that would go across Europe, and that's the code they use, the Babylonian merchant code. Well, they just picked it up and brought it over to the manor. That's why if you look at that list that I copied and and sent to Paul, it's somewhere on the website there of all the different types of law, classes of law, if you will, and you get to the very last and it says the menorah law, the law of the manor.
And what do they use for remedies? Lean levy garnishment and seizure, self help. Roger. K. Yes. Samuel.
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I was I was wondering if, Mark has come across any case law that states a national is a lowercase s, uppercase c citizen.
[01:08:54] Unknown:
No. No. I haven't. But I did, now I'm giving full credit to Gavin Mel. You have to excuse me. We're talking about the small s state. He went back and and looked in 1940 when they came out with that definition for the the immigration and nationality act in the, Webster's University dictionary, which would be found in the United States Senate and the US legislature legislature, the House of Representatives, they would find that book. It's massive. It's like, over 12 inches thick. And if you look that up, it describes the small s state as one of the 50 states that make up the union.
And I've I've read that description out before. But as far as finding a case that distinctly says that, no. I've not run across one. Okay. Just wanted to double check
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because my problem is
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I mean, you know, Abrams was on here for days on end trying to talk about the national status and get it clear and Right. And arguing about something that didn't make any damn difference, which is The US thing. Okay? Three shows, we went through that crap on something that made no difference and did nothing but confuse the audience.
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Go ahead. I got a different point. Okay. In all this case, let's get yeah. Well, you interrupted me. I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry. I'm gonna come in and correct that kind of crap. So hopefully, it doesn't happen again. I didn't even say it, though. I didn't even say it right there. It didn't matter. You invoked it in my mind. That's the impression. My That's the impression those three days left on me of my radio program. I don't wanna go through it again. Please continue.
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Okay. Well, you stop me if I'm trespassing on that area because I don't want to. I'm simply trying to be clear with the opposition of who I am and what my choice is. And if I use national regardless of, you know and I agree, Roger, not US, of course. It's just national to me, maybe American. But see, it's confusing. And Versus Mississippi. I wanna be able to communicate with my opposition and hold the place that is something they understand. And the thing that they understand, of course, is case law. And if you use this, document that we have with about two dozen cases on it, you know, The US citizens are property.
Right. It not once mentions the national in there, but it mentions the state citizen
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versus the federal fourteenth amendment citizen. Correct? As far as I remember reading them, and it might not have been labeled. It may not not have been a case in that list where it was after they changed the label to national. They may have been all old cases. I just don't remember, Samuel.
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Okay. Well, here's my quandary. So I've got all this these cases. There's not one mention of national there. On my original affidavit that I filed with the Secretary of State back in 02/2019, I pretty much used your one plate boilerplate page at the time, Roger. Okay? Yeah. And and I added a a couple of things to personalize it. And at the time, I had talked to you about them, and, you were like, well, yeah. Okay. Maybe you can add those in there. And I'm glad I did because I didn't know nearly as much about this as I do now or at least I hope I do. But any in that document, there's no mention, again, of a national that it's the state citizen versus the fourteenth amendment citizen.
So when I'm right now, I'm doing my covenant and conditions of my land patent elodeon, and I don't know if I should cite national in there or just state citizen because I'm also trying to put footnotes in that document where I can refer to, say, something like this two page document on case law and say, okay. Here's a case that says what a state citizen is. But when it comes to national, I'm screwed.
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Why? No. You're not. Why don't you use both of them? Use the word national in parentheses, formerly state citizen, close parentheses. And you use both of them. What's confusing about that? Well, what I've had been doing is
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national one of the people Okay. Which brings it back to the concept in parenthesis.
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Sent this in when you sent this in, you said twenty nineteen, six years ago? Have did they ever object to anything?
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No. And but there's no Okay. Well, then is this one national in there. Right?
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Uh-uh. Have have they objected to the fact that that isn't specifically identified? And they've accepted it. Yeah. I agree. If you wanna redo it leave a good thing in the world. Redo it. If you wanna redo it, cancel and supersede it and send in your newer one that you're happier with.
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You know, you just stated one of those things too. I think it's the Crookshade case, right, where, you won't you won't know, allegiance, which is a a a serfdom term to your smallest state. Well, I don't particularly like the term.
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And that's Can I know the matter what? My old Roger, we just can't satisfy everybody. Okay?
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No. My quandary is, should I just stick to state citizen,
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and you're saying maybe do both. Right? National and state citizen. Do both. Then there's no ambiguity, is there? There's not a chance of them saying, well, I don't know what formally means. I've never heard of a state citizen.
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Okay. Alright. Well
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Yeah. Go pull a couple of cases that go pull a couple of cases that refer to state citizen and give the sites in there, formerly state citizen. This second, fifth second, what what what, and cite the sites. There there there's no ambiguity there. Okay? Roger. As well Tell them. Alright. Hold on. I got Mark. I got Mirka. I got somebody else. I think it's Waeeb. I'm gonna go with Mark was first. While we're on this, Mark, give us your and then we'll get you, Mirka. Give us your observation here, please.
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Real quickly, going back to Miner versus Haaper said, Samuel, if you'll look at that, directly before the quote that I read you, this is directly from the decision. They say, there are persons and by the fourteenth amendment, all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are expressly declared to be citizens of The United States and of the largest state wherein they reside. Oh. But in our opinion, it did not need this amendment to give them that position. Before its adoption, they're talking about the fourteenth amendment. Before its adoption the Constitution of The United States did not in terms prescribe who should be citizens of The United States or of the several states, that's large capital s, yet there was necessarily such citizens without such provision.
So now they're drawing a distinction between citizens of The United States or of the several states. So it's clearly showing two
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separate citizenships there. And that's where it might be. Hey. Hey. Hey. That's not really my that's really not what I'm talking about, Mark. I'm I'm talking about being clear with the opposition and using state citizen, I think, is clearly defined in case law where national is not.
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I agree, but that that changes when we get to the, what was it, eight USC 11 o one definitions. And we go to paragraph eight twenty one, and they give you what the definition is of a national. So I agree and I agree with Roger is if you wanna use the the term state citizen and or put national and then in brackets or parentheses put formerly known as a state citizen. You could put a you know, f k a, formerly known as
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state citizen in brackets. Or how about how about just national slash state citizen? Yeah. Implying they're the same thing.
[01:17:48] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Okay. And you can find lots of case law on that. You can find lots of case law on state citizens.
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You can find 11 o one is the one that says national means a person owing permanent allegiance to a small estate. Right. Right. And if 15 o two throws in the reference to an American national, again, sort of making it more confusing for when you're tell trying to tell the opposition what the hell's going on,
[01:18:17] Unknown:
you just lose them, You know? Well well, no. You have to be more simpler because you get into that statute shit, you're gonna lose anybody. Okay? You gotta go to them and simplify it and say, I'm not Jim Crow, idiot. Can you understand that? Who is the thirteenth amendment written for? Idiot. There wasn't a fourteenth amendment citizen for another six months. Your brain is the one that's malfunctioning. The obvious evidence and facts are right in front of you. That's how you deal with them. And if they don't want to or can't understand that, walk away and say a prayer for them. One more way of doing it, opinion on that and Marx,
[01:18:59] Unknown:
if you put one of the people, capital on one, capital on people in quotation marks, which is bringing you back to we the people, and I can put that in my footnotes.
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Yeah.
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That national.
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How about that? That's fine. How Samuel, how well do you like to sleep at night?
[01:19:20] Unknown:
I sleep pretty good.
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Okay. Well, then if that if hopefully, you don't wake up getting interrupted by this stuff, but whatever makes you feel better, you go do it. Okay?
[01:19:32] Unknown:
Well, I'm just I'm looking for the opinion of the audience out there and yourself, of course, and Mark and people like that to to to to quell my fear and make sure that I'm communicating with these guys. Because in all this effort, it would be a shame if we can't communicate with them and have them at least scratch their head and consider us potentially saying. You know what I'm saying? Well,
[01:19:59] Unknown:
yeah. I do. And I'd bring forth the statistics that came out a couple of weeks ago on that national survey that fifty three percent of the people in the country couldn't read past the third grade level, and twenty one percent of the people in the country are totally illiterate. And you're trying to get this information across? I hope it's not one of them you're talking to. Well, I'm talking about when I send it to the AG and people like that. Well, just as far as I know, they they keep up with the team. You know, I wanna cite some case law for these guys so they can leave me alone. Alright. Okay. Alright. Markham, in inject Markham here. I I Samuel, remember, you're in California,
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and Rob Bonta recognizes us as a private individual.
[01:20:43] Unknown:
Right off the bat? Simple. Just keep it simple. You wanna Samuel, you wanna get some sites for him? I'd go back and go to the back you got a copy of my book, either a a PDF or hard copy? Well, there's that affidavits in the back, and there's three pages or more of sites that John and Glenn put in that affidavit. Use them to your heart's content.
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And Roger, the the private individual
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is in court cases also, so he can search for those two. Okay. And that's what you know, they're the courts don't want the first of all, the some of the courts don't even, believe this. Some of them don't understand it But as evidenced by Michael Nail's magistrate there. So, just do the best you can.
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And This is Chris from California.
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And and the court the courts don't wanna bring up the term national anywhere. I by the you know, hold on, Chris. There was I had a guy up in Huntsville, Alabama whose wife was divorcing him. They were going through a court case. Her parents, being foreign, thought he was a sovereign citizen. That's when that first perked up. And so they were trying to alter the health advice on the divorce agreement. And so it was the parents and the mother that submitted all his affidavit. He said, I think they submitted your book and and all that in there. So he now it's in in the in session. It's in play, and he gets up on the court on the stand and starts reading the affidavit.
And the judge says, don't read that document in this courtroom. Otherwise, National might have been in there, Samuel.
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Yeah. Try again.
[01:22:31] Unknown:
Okay. Hello. There's somebody who are getting in. Sorry. I've neglected you. Yep. Yeah. This this is Chris again. Yeah. Hi, Chris. I I appreciate
[01:22:39] Unknown:
I appreciate, you, Samuel, you know, your discussion, and, I'm kind of, looking in the same direction. However, you mentioned earlier that, Roger, that you and, Mark were putting together a memorandum
[01:22:54] Unknown:
to go along We've talked about it. To the secretary We've talked yeah. Yes. We've talked about it. The subject's come up before. I don't know that we've made any progress on it. But, yes, it has been discussed before. Go ahead. I think Yeah. Before Mark found that case that I think it was before Mark found that Happersett case, though. You could just about do a one or two paragraph memorandum of law off that. Go ahead. Yeah.
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Tell me about the half percent case. Go ahead, Mark. What's the what's the actual site? So 18870.
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you there? Yeah. Bear with me just a moment. Let me pull it back up.
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Yep. I remember that case from the old days, people bringing it up, but I didn't know it had that in it. Yeah. It's it's miner, m I n o r Right. V,
[01:23:43] Unknown:
happersett, h a, p as in papa, p as in papa, e r s e, t as in tango, t as in tango. Meyer v. Happersett, eighty eight US, that's US Supreme Court, US one six two. Eighty eight US one six two. That's a Supreme Court decision from 1875. Okay. Great. Thank you. And if I don't know if you have access to the, pre conference call chat board, but I put a link in there on that. But you can go to Google Scholar and easily pull that up. Okay.
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Hello, Roger.
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Hello. Allen again.
[01:24:33] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Allen. Yeah. Hello?
[01:24:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Good morning. I did I have a copy of the, Indiana constitution, and it has a preamble in there. And it says, in the middle of the preamble before they get to the constitution, it says, you have a right to for to to, have your opinion on your own, form of law. And I was gonna mention common law. If I don't cause any injury, damage, or, harm to any man or woman, they don't have any jurisdiction over me.
[01:25:14] Unknown:
Yeah. There's no charges. Well, they don't have any any way to bring any charges against you. They still may have jurisdiction in some sense or semblance, or they can't, but you have to arm somebody. Only
[01:25:26] Unknown:
only the state is bringing a complaint. A man or woman can make a claim.
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Okay.
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And if the state's making a complaint against me, I require them to be brought into the court, and I wanna cross examine mister and missus state of Indiana, about their charges. Why are they charging me? And they can't do that.
[01:25:52] Unknown:
I don't think you're gonna have I I wouldn't worry about that too much. I doubt if you'll get confronted with that. You would have to harm the the state. It it it it it is supposed to be protecting you, not bringing charges against you. The and I don't know under a common law setting, that would be probably both criminal and, civil. Like, if you kill somebody, well, they could because they're all property law, state law, they can now come after you for murder. Okay? And then, oh, boy. I lost my train of thought. Anyway, and then if the other person you had murdered, wife or husband, wanted to come after you civilly like they did with OJ OJ, then they could come after you similarly.
Excuse me, civilly. But, both of those that that would be done in the fact that you injured somebody. I'm not sure what your point is here, Alan.
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Well, that in other words, under common law, unless you cause damage, harm, or injury to any man or woman, they can't make a a complaint against me.
[01:27:02] Unknown:
Correct. Well, let's put it another way. Let's put it another way. Unless you harm them, you have not committed a crime. That's a better way to look at it. Okay.
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Okay.
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Alright.
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Thank you for your information. You're welcome.
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Okay. Yes. Who else is who who's there? Roger.
[01:27:23] Unknown:
Hey. This is John from Georgia. How are you? Hey, John. We haven't heard from you in a while. How are you doing? I know. It's been a minute. I'm doing well. Thank you. Hey. I had a much easier question, at least I hope. Good. In the process of, you know, talking with people and networking with people, I've often recommended that they go out to, the site where your book was available to purchase and and grab one. Was? I noticed that it's not there. So That's correct. Is it? Where would I sell someone to go purchase?
[01:27:56] Unknown:
You can't it's not purchasable right now unless you wanna try and find a used version. I just got it. I had a real big problem with the book patch. It's way too long a story to get into. They've been absolutely totally uncooperative, unresponsive. They probably stolen. I have no telling how much profits from my book because of their computer error evidently. And I got so frustrated that he's the one the guy that's running it now that shut it off. And I just haven't found another place or talked about it much to I'm a have to get it probably get a whole new cover done up and just all kinds of crap because of, well, because of the, of, United Slaves of America book. That's what happened. Anyway, long story, it's very aggravating.
I haven't found a new home and hope may but it is in the back of my mind. Maybe I'll get it done soon. Got it. Do you know any place? I don't know if it's fair to ask. I mean, I've I've purchased several copies myself. But in
[01:28:59] Unknown:
lieu of being unable to purchase, do we internally have, like, a PDF
[01:29:03] Unknown:
that I've got the PDF. In the interim, or do we just wait? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I'll be happy to send you that, John. I had it. I I I appreciate it. And I mean put it up I would put it up on his site, the the when we did those interviews, I gave it to him, and we probably need to put it up on our site for anybody that wants to get it, Paul. K? Yeah. I mean, I'd be happy to make a donation. You know? I listen. I don't care about your name, so it's no problem here. But I don't care about the money. I don't care about the money. It's not a big deal to me. $5, please. So, anyway, I appreciate it, though. I appreciate you asking. You're the second person that's asked about it. So, obviously, it needs to be put up somewhere.
And I just don't wanna do Amazon.
[01:29:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't blame you.
[01:29:52] Unknown:
Yep. So, anyway, you doing alright? You back in Georgia now?
[01:29:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm in Georgia right now. It's kind of a rainy, wet season, much like last year or so. Right. I'm kind of hanging out with family at home.
[01:30:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, that's good because all the yellow pollen now ends up in the gutters.
[01:30:13] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. You know how it is in Atlanta in April. Everything's I sure do. For Boy do. Week or two.
[01:30:19] Unknown:
Yep.
[01:30:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Boy, I have a dark car in Atlanta at this time of year, and you'll come out and it'll be yellow.
[01:30:27] Unknown:
Yeah. It's short lived.
[01:30:29] Unknown:
You just wait for the first rainfall to wash it all away. That's all. Yeah. Yep. I just feel sorry for the people with allergies because those people really suffer in that environment. Yep.
[01:30:40] Unknown:
My wife slept with our mess with our bedroom windows open two nights ago, and she woke up and had huge allergy problems the following morning. So
[01:30:48] Unknown:
Poor thing. Yep. Definitely. Yeah. Sorry.
[01:30:52] Unknown:
Solly Excuse me, Joe.
[01:30:54] Unknown:
You go to the Masters, did you? No.
[01:30:57] Unknown:
I I don't really get into golf lunch. I have attended before back when I was doing corporate events, mostly just for the benefit of taking clients there. But, I myself have actually went just personally. It's nice. I mean, it's something everyone should see once.
[01:31:13] Unknown:
It's a lovely spot. I I was thinking Paul, I'll get you a second. I was thinking the, since it was over that on Monday, they have media day. And back when in the record business, one of the stations over there in South Augusta at WAUG. It's on the other side of the river. Technically, it's in South Carolina. But they would, let let the record guys have their foursome if they didn't have any clients wanting them. And one of my buddies got to go play the course one day. So, anyway, what a what a privilege and an honor. Paul, do you have something to add for John?
[01:31:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Is the book is in the recents folder in docs.exposetomatrix.com.
[01:32:01] Unknown:
Okay. Perfect. I appreciate that, Paul. Thank you. Alright. Okay. Good. So it is already up. Matrix.com
[01:32:08] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Max underscore recents underscore is the Well, the advantage in there.
[01:32:14] Unknown:
Okay. You may in a second. Julie, the advantage of having that PDF is it's got search capabilities, and those really come in handy. Julie?
[01:32:25] Unknown:
Hi. I have a question for you and for for Mark. I'm reading a book right now called the UCC connection, and, it was it's about a guy who, he won his case, he won his case on not filing for income taxes, but then, time time passed significantly. He had another friend that got charged with willful failure to file an income tax return, And, he was asked to help, and he thought, oh, I have this and I got all the cases. I've got this in the bag for you. So he went to court for him. And, the guy actually got convicted and went to prison. And, as soon as the trial was over, this guy went to the judge's office and and said, you know, what what authority do you have to overturn standing decisions of the United States Supreme Court because basically what he did was he read off a lot of the the case case law.
And, the judge said, oh, those were old decisions. And and the guy who represented his friend said those are standing decisions. They've never been overturned. And, he said, so I don't care how old they are. You have no right to overturn a standing decision of the United States Supreme Court. And the judge said, name any decision of the Supreme Court after 1938, and I'll honor it. But all the decisions you read were prior to 1938. And then he said prior to 1938, the Supreme Court was dealing with public law. Since 1938, the Supreme Court has dealt with public policy.
And he said the charge that your friend was being tried for is a public policy statute, not public law. And those Supreme Court cases do not apply to public policy. So, then the guy asked him what happened in 1938, and the judge basically said that he had already told them too much. And he basically said he wasn't going to tell him anymore. And so then they bring up Erie Railroad Erie Railroad and Tompkins. But I hear on this, these calls and on that FCC channel that sometimes we're talking about public laws that are, you know, before 1938.
And then when you go to your website, the matrix stocks, you know, there's a cup there's many cases that are cited on there. And I know that has to do with nationals versus US citizens. But Mhmm. Still those that a lot of those cases that are on there are before 1938.
[01:35:00] Unknown:
So can you educate me there? Because I'm very confused. Are you sure? Are you sure they don't mean '33? It says '38. I'm wondering if the I I heard you I heard I heard you say it about four times. That wasn't my question. Are you sure they don't mean 33 and they misquoted it? Was there some is this when the civil rules for civil procedure or the criminal procedure came in on the feds? Mark, you got any input here? Because I've heard that before, Julie, but that do not ask you a question. I've got an 1850 case, the one a Murray's lessee versus Hoboken, in planning improvement company, and the IRS has used that quote from that site in, in in in a
[01:35:49] Unknown:
in a court proceeding in the last fifteen years. So if we can't do it, why can they do it? So, so, Roger, it says on here, what they do cite after what I just read to you, they cite 1938 and the Erie Railroad. And then, the guy says that he reasoned that all of our courts since 1938
[01:36:10] Unknown:
were merchant law courts and not common law courts. Okay. So he's he's basing all this on Erie Railroad versus Tompkins, which a lot of patriots I've got input. I'm gonna I'm gonna according to Brent, a lot of patriots really misinterpret that like they do some other situations.
[01:36:29] Unknown:
Mark, you had something to say? I've got somebody else. That. Yeah. That was me, Roger. This is Dan. I've got input Yeah. Dan. Okay.
[01:36:36] Unknown:
Railroad in. Your video turned on. You wanna you wanna turn it off so that it didn't eat up as much bandwidth if you can't. Thank you. Okay.
[01:36:46] Unknown:
So in 1938 is when they finally got together enough stuff after the 1933, fiasco where they took all our gold that they merged equity with with common law, and that's what Erie Railroad was essentially doing. It was a choice. It does not take away the original constitution. That's just one that we're prepared to finally take over and merge the two to create the UCC, you know, indentured servant slash surf system.
[01:37:20] Unknown:
I should get Brent to go over. The guy that tried the case was some big justice guy's son. It's the only case he ever tried. It had to do with a guy walking down the edge of a railroad track, and a train came along and some debris was sticking out of the train, and it hit him. I don't remember it killed him or not. It hit him. And and the whole thing was, is there any federal common law? Because it was both states, Pennsylvania and New York were involved in that, I think. So, anyway, it's a complex case. If you want to get a Brent you should have Brent talk give you the background on it because he knows that. I want that. I would love that. I've never heard of him before. Okay? Yeah. So if you want to do that, ask him ask him Friday. Go ahead, Julie. Yeah. So what happened was that was the case where they decided they blended
[01:38:12] Unknown:
Dan is right. They blended Equity and Connell together and they basically told the guy who got struck by a board that he lacked standing because they went to law of merchant UCC, and they alleged or they stated that he didn't have standing because he had no contract with the railroad, and so he lost. He was probably trespassing on their property, quite frankly.
[01:38:37] Unknown:
Yeah. There was another excuse they had that Brandon might be
[01:38:41] Unknown:
citizen Go in here. He was a citizen of The United States, not a state citizen. That's Right. The crux of the matter. Okay. We have to have a balance. Right? Because he he he didn't have any common law protection because he was a fourteenth amendment citizen.
[01:38:58] Unknown:
Exactly. Okay. Well, there was more to it than just that. I can't wait to hear Brent on this. He's gonna tell a long involved story, but the fact is He will believe that He can he can give you a bunch of details, and he can agree with the Patriot community on the conclusion. Sorry, Roger. I have If you wanna if you wanna read one thing. If you wanna read
[01:39:16] Unknown:
finish
[01:39:17] Unknown:
this this point. I have a feeling it's gonna come down to this one thing. Erie Railroad was part of the railroad, and the railroad was carved out from sort of everything else as its own separate thing. Remember the railroad tracks and the companies sort of have their own little jurisdiction. I have a feeling they lean on that. Yep. To go But I don't know. Right? Merge these two equity with common law, thing, and it's arbitrary and capricious. They can do that because they did it, but it does not erase the original constitutional findings. You'd sort of just have to claim it just like that guy with his title problem trying to escrow his thing. He has to get really sort of belligerent and claim it and then move on to a different title company if they won't hear him out.
They might hear him out if he gets a little bit belligerent, you know, calmly. Property and extended. Trust.
[01:40:06] Unknown:
Okay. Possibly. Now, Samuel, you had something to say?
[01:40:10] Unknown:
Roger? Yeah. Bro Somebody did. Whole argument in in USA, the Republic is about that case and how pivotal it was. And this guy didn't have any standing because he this is like a setup case just like Plessy. They picked this guy to overturn Swift versus Tyson because that way they could nail everybody in commerce from that date forward. That's what it's really about. Okay. And I think Brent doesn't see that. He thinks Brost is wrong, but I think Brost has plenty of evidence to argue that that was that was his three sided triangle. This was one of the sides in his opinion.
[01:40:59] Unknown:
I'll leave it at that.
[01:41:01] Unknown:
Okay. I does this have anything to do with you filing an affidavit and change the status? Does it affect that in any way, shape, or form?
[01:41:10] Unknown:
You talking to me?
[01:41:12] Unknown:
Yes. Yes.
[01:41:15] Unknown:
Roger, I'm just trying to get you know? Again,
[01:41:19] Unknown:
a a roast. Well, I don't want anybody in the audience I don't want anybody in the audience to be confused that we're bringing this stuff in. It has nothing to do with what we do. K? Sorry. I'm the I'm the professional. Everything to do with what we do. Roger. I think I think that's all we got here. You know? Okay. Did it stop yeah. But does it stop you from filing an affidavit and having it recognized? Anything to do with that case? No, ma'am. Okay. Alright. To know what that background of everything here, I guess. Okay. Well, I understand digging in that. I'm just don't want any people to get confused. Okay? So Oh my Who who else is saying something right there? I I I wasn't finished, Roger. It's me, Julie. Oh, I'm sorry. So the book also might be confused.
Go ahead.
[01:42:04] Unknown:
They also went on to say that there are no judicial courts in America and have not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce statutes and codes. Executive administrators enforce statutes and codes. And then it, gives several cases on here and it gives also statutes at large. And then it also says there has not been any judges in America since 1789 and it has there have just been administrators and it gives more
[01:42:34] Unknown:
that that's that's just from the one above. We didn't have any agencies back. Julie, we didn't have any agencies back there. How could it have been all administrative?
[01:42:45] Unknown:
So that's an incorrect statement then. Yeah. Well, there's so much I mean, bullshit in the patriot community.
[01:42:52] Unknown:
There's so much misunderstanding and bullshit in the patriot community, Julie. I've been dealing with it for over over thirty years. K? And, that's why I always come back. Does this have anything to do with this? But there's just a lot of misunderstanding thing there. You know, Chris, earlier with the Social Security number. Well, he he clarified it and said it was religious beliefs, but the Social Security number has nothing to do with your status. It has nothing to do with your relationship with the federal government, and that's been, in the patriot community floating around for as long as I've been in it. And there's still people that believe that, Julie.
[01:43:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I I figured that was wrong. I just wanted to clarify that with you. But, I mean, that was another, part from a different book, not the same book that was talking about the Erie Railroad case. So I was like, that can't be right. This is, because this has to all hinge on the banking act of 1933 or the banking holiday. And and I I so I wanted to run that by you. Well, I can promise you that Erie versus
[01:43:58] Unknown:
Railroad Tompkins wasn't as significant as the change in the systems in '33 in my mind. Yeah. Okay. Now you may equate those two, but I don't think so. Yes, Larry?
[01:44:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Maybe, Julie can find, like, a second opinion out there, like, in a publication or something to confirm what she's reading. And then, earlier when you were talking to Samuel, when he was explaining about allegiance, he seemed to have a tone that he didn't like using that word. I was wondering if he can explain Well, he's not he's not why that is.
[01:44:36] Unknown:
Well, that's, that we had some females that didn't wanna use it. Myrrh, didn't didn't she didn't wanna use the word swear. She wanted to use affirm. People got different feelings on these things.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
Do what? Well, that and then if John Garland's still on, I'd like to ask him a question how he was able to reverse his revocation of election because my understanding and I get this information from the IRS website. I get it from Wise Paris. Once you do a revocation of election, it's a once in a lifetime choice. You can't go back in the system. And so I I was wondering about that. So
[01:45:15] Unknown:
Well, no. You can always volunteer to the system. The IRS might not recognize you coming back to take a second swing.
[01:45:24] Unknown:
You got five years. It's five years that you can go back to the system is what I saw. I don't think it's just lifetime. Once you do a revocation election, you can never step back into the system.
[01:45:38] Unknown:
No. It's not that at all. Well,
[01:45:40] Unknown:
well, that Wise Paris says something differently. They said that this is forever. It's a once in a lifetime choice. Wise
[01:45:47] Unknown:
Paris didn't even know it was a feudal system, and he's dead. Well,
[01:45:52] Unknown:
right. It even says on the IRS website, it's a once in a lifetime choice for a nonresident alien to do a revocation of election. And I'm I Okay. I got I got the site. I've got the exact words. Okay. May I? Roger?
[01:46:10] Unknown:
Yes, Samuel? Hold on, Paul.
[01:46:12] Unknown:
I just wanted to point out one more thing on this public and private. This is Burrows' take on it. On the on the side of the, the free citizen with the bill of rights, the statutes were the public municipal law to be used for private purposes, and it acts on the person in person. And the fourteenth amendment citizen, those are the revised statutes, our private national law for public purposes in RAM. RAM acts on the res or the thing. So it's it's really a one eighty degree flip. And he he links that directly to the Swift versus Tyson and the Erie Railroad versus Tompkins.
[01:47:07] Unknown:
So Pardon me. Where are we going? Coffee beans? Are we in the shop? Are we back in shop class? Who's grinding the who's grinding coffee beans, and are you making enough for the rest of the class?
[01:47:20] Unknown:
We can't see where that's coming from. Julie. Julie.
[01:47:23] Unknown:
Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
[01:47:26] Unknown:
Sorry. Oh, good grief.
[01:47:28] Unknown:
Weiss Perez is probably referring to you can only do a revocation of election once. You can get out of it and then go back in. But once you go back in, then you're stuck.
[01:47:40] Unknown:
Well, hold it. Let me ask you a question. If you did that and got your money back and you change statuses and you weren't filing, if you went back in, what would you draw off of? You'd have to go back in and build up another, you know, to, up. I don't I just don't see that why would anybody go back in? I'm not saying they can't.
[01:48:01] Unknown:
Paul, where are you getting that source? What's your source for that? I'm not getting a source. I'm just inter interpreting what you said.
[01:48:09] Unknown:
Okay. And and by the way Are you agreeing with me, or are you not agreeing?
[01:48:15] Unknown:
My god. I don't know. I don't know. The source is actually it. They they only let they don't let you back in. I read that code. I don't remember which code it is, but I read it verbatim, and it says, once you get out, you can't come back in. It's permanent.
[01:48:27] Unknown:
Whether they Yeah. It comes right off the IRS website. And Yeah. It says it's once in a lifetime choice, and that's what that's quoted.
[01:48:38] Unknown:
Okay. Well, good. I'm glad I made mine, and I'm pretty sure I made mine. Yes, sir. Dave?
[01:48:45] Unknown:
Hi. Hi, Roger. I'd like to comment on that. See, I think it's a it's a idle threat, you know, because they wanna scare you to think Very whatever. Could be. Why why wouldn't they let you back in to take more of your money? That's absolutely imbecilic. John did it. So that means they're lying. You know, it's an idle threat. They he did it. So, you know
[01:49:10] Unknown:
That's right. Take it or leave it. Alright. So I'm I'm still here, and I'm listening to your question. And, I mean, I've stated what I did. My interpretation I can tell you that you can get back in. And if for that exact reason, they're not they're they're not gonna turn you down. Now I don't think I could do it again. That's one time. That's my understanding, and I'm not going to do it again. I've already stated in shows and people one on one many times what it is that I do. It works for me. It may not work for the next person. It's personal choice. But I have a method that works perfectly for me, and I don't need an ROE.
[01:49:46] Unknown:
Okay. Well, let's hope the IRS is at some sort of a demise in the future, and all this may, cross your fingers, become mute. We'll see how how mister Trump's plan turns out. So, you'll be able to for just a minute.
[01:50:04] Unknown:
Okay. We need to get in here for just a minute. We've got about five minutes left. Right. We've got about five minutes left. And at 1PM eastern sharp, GVN is going to be switching gears to a Joe Tippens live q and a. The guy from my cancerstory.rocks. So Yeah. We're gonna go from the end of this program straight into with Joe Tippen's Okay. Q and a. So anybody wants to get here and say something, there'll be no after party. Yeah. Yeah. You got five minutes to get in here and cover ask what you wanted to ask and cover what you wanted to cover.
[01:50:44] Unknown:
Cinco Menuto's. Rap it off. Rap it off. Dave. I'm thinking I got a creepy question for you.
[01:50:51] Unknown:
Hey, Louise. May I?
[01:50:53] Unknown:
Oh, and Linda was there. Hold on, Dave. Yes, Linda. Go ahead. Forgot. Sorry.
[01:50:58] Unknown:
I will I would I would invite Samuel to consider when he does his, state citizen, parenthesis, previously labeled prior to the civil war. That's my suggestion, close parenthesis, and I yield. Thank you.
[01:51:16] Unknown:
Okay. Now Dave, Jerry Garcia.
[01:51:19] Unknown:
Hold on, Jerry. Dave isn't waiting. I'll get you next. Dave, quick. Yeah. I just got a little bit of levity here. What do you get when you drop a half percent, piano down a mine shaft? A flat minor.
[01:51:36] Unknown:
Cute. Very cute, David. You gave you made that up. That's good. Jerry.
[01:51:41] Unknown:
Yes, sir. I I filed for my passport application, and I got this letter back.
[01:51:46] Unknown:
Ah. Goodness. You want me you want me to read you the first paragraph? It appears by what you submitted okay. Go ahead. Yeah.
[01:51:55] Unknown:
No. Go ahead. It appears by you submitted the evidence of your citizenship nationality is not acceptable for passport purposes.
[01:52:06] Unknown:
Well, they're wrong. K? But we're you're right at the end of I wish you'd have brought this up earlier. We're right at the end of the show. Can he read that one more time, please? Yeah. Let we why don't we come back, like, tomorrow and do it, Jerry? Can you come back during the show tomorrow? Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, let's do that. You read it again as much time as we got. Okay. Well, let me just by what you submitted,
[01:52:34] Unknown:
you're not eligible for a a US passport. Is that what it says? Well well, kinda sort of, but I I've kinda I sent a birth certificate with it. Anyway, let me read it to you. Thank you for your thank you for your recent passport application. The evidence of The US citizenship or nationality you submitted is not acceptable for passport purposes for the following reasons. Because I submitted a Texas birth birth card or a Texas, abstract, which only provides limited information, and and I get it. Right? But they want me to send back send the requested items, which is my the, I guess, an original copy of the passport.
[01:53:17] Unknown:
No. Of the birth certificate.
[01:53:19] Unknown:
Well, you're gonna have to go to the, you do not have one, I'm assuming. Right? Right. The one I sent them was just a passport card. You know? Well, I understand why they well, I understand why they did that. You're gonna have to go and get a certified copy of your birth certificate. Were you born in New Mexico, Jerry?
[01:53:38] Unknown:
No. In Texas.
[01:53:40] Unknown:
Go to the Texas Vital Statistics. I think that's what they call it, and you can buy a copy of that, put it in the package, and return it to them. You'll get your passport. Okay?
[01:53:52] Unknown:
Okay. So I don't need to send another citizenship affidavit.
[01:53:57] Unknown:
Well, I would. I I I would put one in anything I sent to them. But they've got your other one, but it doesn't hurt for them to have two. So go get your birth certificate certified copy, Texas Vital Statistics or whatever they call it. They'll tell you what to do. You'll get that back in a couple of weeks. Resend it. Put the affidavit in there again, and, you'll get your document. Okay?
[01:54:23] Unknown:
And and no cover letter?
[01:54:25] Unknown:
Well, the a cover letter, this is in response to your letter. Put a copy in there. They've got a file on you, man.
[01:54:34] Unknown:
Right. Okay? Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[01:54:38] Unknown:
Yep. That'll do it. Okay. We're gonna cut off quick today here in just, just a few seconds. And, thanks for the stimulating mental discussion today, kids. And, we'll come back and see if we can't repeat it or have some new people that we can really confuse. So we'll see you tomorrow in any respect, and it'll turn out however it turns out.
[01:55:02] Unknown:
Thank you for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales on radio.globalvoiceradio.net and eurofolkradio.com. You can also catch the first hour of the program on radiosoapbox.com over in Europe. However, all those streams are worldwide. You can tune into them wherever you want. Thank you for joining us. We're here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern time, for the Radio Ranch program with Roger Sales. Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of the Radio Ranch. The website is thematrixstocks.com. It is thematrix,d0cs,.com, where you can find all kinds of downloadables.
You can find interviews. You can find exhibits, all kinds of general information, all related to your freedom and how to regain it because it was stolen from you. Thanks so much for joining us. We'll catch you later. Bye now. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[01:56:10] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Host Welcome
Discussion on Misinformation and Truth
Historical Financial Systems and Tariffs
Audience Engagement and Freedom Seeking
Alaska Earthquake Memories
Tax Filing and Refunds
China's Historical Debt and Compound Interest
Real ID Concerns and Solutions
Financial Advice and Gold Investments
Trusts and Social Security Numbers
Common Law Trusts and Property Sales
Allegiance and Protection in Law
National vs. State Citizenship
Public Law vs. Public Policy
Revocation of Election and IRS Policies
