In this Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch, I open the lines for our weekend Q&A—designed for working folks who can’t join during the week—and we dive straight into practical challenges around pursuing “national” status, IRS processes, and state interactions. We hear a hopeful update from Tom in Los Angeles about connecting with Amish/Mennonite communities familiar with jurisdictional issues, discuss IRS refund timelines and frivolous filing scare letters, and explore how to handle trademarks, S-corps, and employment forms as a declared national. Listeners share real-world encounters—from passport renewals and W-8BENs to police stops and fee schedules—and our brain trust offers step-by-step tactics: administrative remedies, explanatory statements, trust structuring, and documentation strategies to protect family and property. We also touch on history, law, and civics, from Justice Gorsuch’s remarks on sovereignty and self-rule to Reconstruction-era cases and the doctrine of necessity. It’s a lively, practical, and supportive session focused on learning the language of the system, documenting status correctly, and standing firm without fear.
Resources spotlighted include NationalStatus.com (IRS remedy steps), key forms (DS-11/82, 1040NR, W-8BEN, Form 8233), and fee schedule/notice templates, plus research leads on state-federal relationships and case law. We close with reminders to study steadily, protect assets with trusts, and leverage administrative processes—because clarity, precision, and persistence are the keys to navigating the matrix.
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Alrighty. Well, happy Saturday. So wouldn't we. On the Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch, your Roger Sales, your host. It is the fifteenth. I believe Kensei, '11 1520 '5. And, here we are all together at the Radio Ranch. Morning, Paul. How are you doing this morning?
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Good morning. I'm doing good.
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Yeah. Good. Good. You know, the Saturday show's a little bit different. Probably don't have very many folks helping us today. It was started during COVID so that people that were at work, still gainfully employed during the week, had a shot at answering questions and or getting questions answered and that kind of stuff if they want to pursue our little program of freedom here. And, here we are a good number of years later still on the Saturday edition now. And it's for people that still, work during the week or and can't get to us regularly. So we're here to answer your questions. And if none of you show up, which is probably more often the case, then we just talk about whatever.
Don't we, Paul? Yeah. Different events. Yes. There's some current events. Yeah. So I won't ask for any new people because if you're new, you're too scared to come on right here at the first anyway. So we'll lubricate the Hey, Roger. Program with a little discussion. Well, there's somebody right there. Yes. Good morning.
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Hey, Roger. This is Tom in Los Angeles.
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Hey, Tom. How are you doing this morning? Well, welcome back.
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Yeah. Good to be back. I've I've got a couple updates and questions if,
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if you're open to it. You're the man. Jump right in there. Let's get it started with a bang. How you, how has your attorney friend come around yet?
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No. No. No. But, I I did, file a passport application for my son who was born this summer.
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And my wife, who's very concerned about the national status, she saw me put not a US citizen on the application.
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And she said there's no way we're gonna get an a passport for this kid.
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I don't remember on the passport application them asking you if somebody's a citizen.
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Well, it's for it was for my son. And so the mother Yes. And father both have to be there, and and they had to put whether they're US citizen or not. And I put no For you. For you. Passport.
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Oh, okay. That's for you and this the DS11 for him. So okay. I understand now.
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Yeah. Good. So that that was interesting for for my wife to see.
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She didn't believe it, did she? She said, man, they must be those they must not be training those bureaucrats very well because they did this for you. Right? Yeah.
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Yeah. And then the other thing I thought you might be interested in is, I'm part of a co op that gets milk products from Amos Miller. He's the Amish farmer that's kind of famous for getting the bottle and Yeah. Yeah. He's still around. I'm very familiar with this guy. And so he came out a couple weeks ago, and, we got to meet him and and talk with him. Oh, really? His yeah. And, he was driven out by one of his friends who's a Mennonite. Okay. And I talked to this guy, and within when we were talking about the hassling, government that that Amos is dealing with, Within a few minutes, he said, come out of her, my people. Come out of her.
Uh-huh. And I said, woah. Where did you find that? And it turns out he knows all about the Caesareans, the evil nature of government, the biblical nature of status and,
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jurisdiction, and they were That's really that's exciting, Tom. That's that's very exciting. Now, he this is the guy that drove Amos Miller out there to you?
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Yeah. And he was born Amish, and he's, he's a Mennonite now. But Mhmm. I was very shocked to to hear that that Amish and the Mennonite are, up to speed on almost all of this stuff.
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That's very cool. Did you tell him about what we do and that if he if Amos went through this, they wouldn't have any jurisdiction over him?
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Yes. I did. And I was surprised he hadn't he hadn't heard of it already. He was familiar with some other groups that have done similar things. But Yes. Yeah. We're gonna I got his phone number. We're gonna we're gonna chat, and I'm gonna try to
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You you you will you extend an invitation him for me? And if those guys wanna learn, I I will teach them personally. K?
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Great.
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So please issue that to them. And and, that that is thrilling and it's, something I for a number of different reasons, not only would it, like, chisel a a a start in this Amish Mennonite community, but also, you know who their attorney is. Right? You know who Amish's attorney is. Right?
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Yeah. Barnes. Right?
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Yep.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I but that's I didn't because they're with Barnes, I didn't think they knew about a lot of the back end stuff that that you teach and kinda that's that's going on spiritually with all this stuff. So I was I was, pretty surprised to hear that. And, yeah, when I follow-up with him, I'll see if we can bring him on the show and put him in touch with you guys. Tom, I don't know if we could start out the show on a better note. Thank you very much. That's very optimistic,
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and and it's illustrative of for the rest of the people that are listening is you you just gotta you you gotta know this stuff because you don't know when the opportunity is gonna come up like this for you to go, wow. Would have you heard this? Do you know about this? Bam. There's a whole there's a whole Mennonite Yeah. And Amish community. They're all hanging on this right here. If they could get it, I just about guarantee you every one of them would do it.
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Yeah. And they've been through a lot. You know, it was so fascinating talking to Amos. He's like, you know, we we were here before the country started. We we sat on the sidelines during the civil war. You know, we, you know, were were as really not that involved in the world wars. And so they've they've been through a lot. And, that it's a it's a steady hand. And so I was I was, pretty impressed talking to these guys.
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I'll bet well, you know, Barnes keeps saying when he goes up there to do a court or something up in that county I can't remember the county in in Pennsylvania. But, he always just is saying I and I I had the best meal I've ever had. I've been in five star restaurants all over the world, and nothing compares to Amos Miller's wife's cooking.
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Yeah. Yeah. I bet. Yeah. I mean, they ship us out a pallet of, products every two weeks, and it's Really? Very high quality. Very high quality. Cool. Well, is your wife starting to come around a little?
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No. Is she having to stop and think about this? She's not coming around at all.
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She yeah. She's like, it's all fun and games until, you know, until you stop paying taxes. And then we'll find out if it's real or not.
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So Well, you That's that's why I do the arbiter. We'll issue an invitation to her. What's her name? Rosalyn. Rosalyn. Issue an invitation to Rosalyn. She's welcome to come on the program with here, and she can ask any of these people that are on this show if they've had any tax problems, and they'll be more than happy to tell her their situation. We do occasionally have them. The problem is the IRS doesn't know what to do with it. They're they're they're totally in a corner. They don't know what to do. There's a couple of things that they have, advanced here lately that seem to be within the system. In other words, oh, you removed yourself. You somebody was still paying, and we have a w four here. We're looking for a return to match it. That kind of thing. It's generally with states, not the feds, and we've never had any serious blowback. Nobody's lost anything to my knowledge.
So she's welcome to come on talk to the folks about it. If that would help her, she might not want to. But if she wants to, that's open to her. Okay?
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No. She she's smart. She understands everything. She just doesn't think it'll work. But that's but but we have enough evidence. We're rolling the dice. You know, we're gonna we're gonna try it. But, yeah, she's not Well, you see. Optimist. She it's it's got to work.
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It can't fail because this is what they've built their whole system on. We can find it in their system. They've got to recognize it. And besides, they can do all this stuff. They got a lot of influence, a lot of money, and no doubt about it. But they can't control these forces that are dead set against them. In other words, they can't come in and play open tyrant like that. Legitimately, they gotta do it with fraud. And if they do it with fraud, there's always a way out. Yeah. K? And that's the only way they can do it is with fraud. So I think the biggest problem people have, Tom, here with our stuff is they can't believe that they've got the power.
They've been conditioned their whole life since the federal government has the power. And they can't get over the fact, hold it. I gave them that power. I'm gonna take it back, and I can take it back, and they have to recognize it. It's a isn't it amazing?
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That's that is so it is the most amazing thing, and I I didn't realize that. Like like, literally what you're saying, it's a big deal. And, I never knew it. I never knew it, and I never believed it. And I still am on the fence, and I'm waiting. I'm putting it to the test. You know? I'm gonna find out.
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Well, you and everybody else here, nobody has any problems with it. I say generally, you might be a little snaffy or something here sometimes. But generally, we roll, just roll on and they recognize it. And IRS doesn't know what to do about it. I mean, they're they're they're they're they're just they've never been caught like this before. See? And they've always been able to come in and do their heavy handed tactics and intimidation with people. Yeah. And now they can't now they can't do it.
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Well, I am grateful to Larry for doing those two, sessions on your program where he was talking about how to respond to the forms and how to fill out the the ten forty n r because I think I'm I've I've made some pretty hefty, income tax payments over the years. Oh. And, I just feel like they're not gonna let me go that easily. And so having his his support in in the groups, like, the Brain Trust support, I feel like it's gonna be needed.
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I'll tell you Larry's about meticulous, isn't he? I mean, that guy can dig down. It takes a special person to be able to do that. I'm gonna tell you. Yeah. But Tom will you know, keep going. You'll find out that that they're paper tigers, just like I told Jerry, you know, on when that guy from the, passport office called his wife. And then he took the call fifteen minutes later, and they went through that discussion. And the guys you've heard that story. Right?
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Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, you know, I got to the shows live, but I I do listen to almost all the, recordings.
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Well, and Jerry was such a good student, you know. And I it's like I say, whenever you run on a roadblock, your first question is what's the next step in my administrative appeal? And to me, the most indicative thing in that conversation and story was that when Jerry asked him about his administrative appeal, the guy goes, well, I'm the last guy. I'm that guy. Well, they they're they're never gonna call you directly on the telephone. Yeah. I mean, that's just a big tell right there. Okay. And right then I knew it was bluff, but and then he goes, well, okay. I'll send your whole package back. And they find the passports in the mailbox. They're paper tigers.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, I they are in a way, but they're also not paper tigers.
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If you look at all the people, they've thrown out windows and poisoned and the sassy Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold
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on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold they seem to be honoring the loophole here, but they're also pretty bloodthirsty
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and pretty well versed. They can be. We'll ask Charlie Kirk if you could. Yeah. And, of course, I've been aware of that for many years, and I I stumbled on this, kind of put it together, going out the door to move to Argentina. And I thought, well, I'm you know? But what I what I've come to understand, I think, is this, Tom. That's why it's so important for all of us to get this message out. If you when they do that sort of thing to you, assassinate you maybe like they've tried with Trump, different issue, set of issues.
Mhmm. Excuse me. But if they would've killed me, let's say they knocked me off now. All it does is verify my information. Anything out because that's when they can still keep it secret. And that's what they're trying to do. Whatever they're trying to do, they're trying to keep it secret. Now when you get it out, now there's all kinds of brush fires all over the damn place. And if they do come back and kill you, then it makes you a martyr. And we all know they don't like martyrs too much. So anyway, that seems to be the pattern. And also if you're right, I've I've read that they respect people that stand up for their own people and that are right. And we're beating them here fair and square. Okay? Yeah. I I mean, we're putting them right in the corner, putting this piece of paper in front of them, which behind it, if you study, it's got all the truth, all the fraud, everything else, and they can't say anything about it. And they just stay on mute.
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Yep. Yep. No. It's it's Amazing. It's an it's an exciting journey. And, yeah. I can't wait to, see what happens.
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Well, you know, I Tonight? John. John, yes. Just let me mention this. John Yeah. Farmer buddy. Very bright guy like you.
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Yeah.
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And, he came on here one day. I don't remember if it was a conversation he and I were having if he said it on the show, but he says, I think you got the most important message in the world.
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Yeah.
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But that's a heavy that's a heavy statement right there.
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Yeah. I I don't feel comfortable really promoting it, aggressively because I haven't gone through it yet. The I I became a national in May. This is gonna be my first tax year where I I put it to the test. Okay. But after that, I will you know, I if you've cut the the logic and then you've got the evidence of the proof, the whole world will be different for for me. And, I think I would want to, help get that message out.
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Now what about here this week, last week, I guess, we had Alma. See, I don't know if she's listening today. I don't did you hear that? She's a Spanish lady, Mexican. Mhmm. Her husband, they've immigrated to The US. They've gone through the naturalization process. They live in Jersey, have children, and her cousin has children. Now the thing that amazes me is people like Yelma and, lasagna, and the people that are on here that are foreigners, they could never have achieved freedom any lawfully and legally any other way. So here's these people that could never have done this, and they recognize them too.
I just it gives me warm fuzzies. Okay?
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Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm I'm excited to see see it through. And like I said, if if it works, it it is truly, an amazing it is the most important thing in the world.
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It's It's yeah. Yes. There's somebody. Who's that? This is Ezana, Arash. Ezana. There's my boy who comes forward with an example when I just mentioned. Hey, Ezana. How's the wand doing?
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What's that? I'm sorry? How's the wand doing? Oh, the what? The wand is doing doing, doing great. It's been a week, and my wife is feeling, you know, certain. She can't just quite put her mind to it, but she does feel something different. She on her shoulder. She's had shoulder pain for, what, five years now.
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And,
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you know, so it's, it's been a journey, but she's she's she seems to be very excited now if she's looking forward to it.
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And we spend about twenty, twenty five minutes one day every night. So Are you doing just the shoulder, or are you doing this the the the routine of the feet, the hands, etcetera?
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The hand, the whole thing. Yes. So for example,
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yes. Good. We'll keep this informed. Extra on the shoulder. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. I'm glad you're having some early results and we hope it continues to help her improve. How else can we help you? You're one of these examples I was just talking about. Here's this guy who would've never had a chance at achieving true freedom in in his whole lifetime. And he stumbles over here into The US, and he's here. Obviously, he's done very good here. And, and he stumbles on our message and whammo. Changed person. Yeah.
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So what what, what I wanted to say is when when you conceptually understand what's going on, this speaking to the speaking to the gentleman that's, speaking just a minute ago. Tom. It's Tom. Tom. Okay. I dialed in a little late. And, when I heard Barnes and Amos, and I got real excited. Yeah. No kidding. Where I'm calling. But, but I wanted to say, hey. So, yeah, it it was it it was I it took me about a month to to grasp what what Roger was talking about. And when I understood it, it was it was just just just no way around it. I mean, it had to be it. It was just, it was in back in 2024 at around April. And and I came into it not having any background of this information. So it took me about a month My lord.
From cold start to comprehending what's going on. So I wanted to say that, it's been an amazing journey and understanding listening with, Roger and actually experiencing it. But when it comes to tax, it's, it's nerve wracking. It's scary. It was very, very scary. But, for for me and then in the process, I did make a mistake, and it had to do with, in one of my filings, it has to do with how nervous I was while I was doing the process. And so and and I I did that type of error, and it was I had a blowback from the IRS, and and and I I called them. And it was a very interesting conversation I had. And, the the best of it is they neither confirm nor deny.
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Yeah. So We're not gonna address your frivolous affidavit.
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No. They're not. They didn't they needed you. And so but I know I am in the right I'm doing the right thing now. I get it. So I did the correction. It's just we're gonna wait and see. It's gonna take sixteen weeks.
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Have sixteen weeks? What the Sixteen. Like, one six, best he says? One six. Yeah. Amending takes sixteen weeks. Yeah. Yikes.
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Yeah. So I
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not in a rush. What well, what they're what they're telling you is you're never gonna hear from them again.
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Yeah. It's it's, yeah. Well, no. I I think I'm gonna hear back.
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Well, I had one of the girls down here. That's good. One of the the girls down here that I know, she's been down here twenty eight years, and she just wants some extra money and, not of a mind of us at all. You know? But she wanted to go through the process to get this IRS thing, and they and she she said, Roger, Roger. I got something back from IRS and because, well, we're gonna examine this. We'll we will be talk to you in six hundred and something days.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Hey. Hey, Roger. And
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well, I wanted to I'm sorry if I could get to my last question. Is is is there Yes. Go ahead. So do you get James? Connection to Barnes? What's the connection to Barnes?
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Barnes is Amos, Barnes Barnes. Up. Amos' case pro bono or, you know, no charge.
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And then and do we have access to Barnes? Is that what I heard? Or is this Yeah. Oh, he's on every Sunday night. I know. I'd love to get to him.
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But I wanna get to him through something like this. But, yeah, he's on every Sunday night or at least usually at about 06:00 with Viva Fry, the the Canadian attorney. And they have about a two hour program on Rumble. Usually, it's every Sunday night. And, and Barnes is hopping all over the place. You know, he's not only still lawyering, and he's got a a whole office that deals with IRS too. He was Wesley Snipes' attorney. If you remember, you may or may not remember that was a fiasco. But, yeah, I'd love to get to Barnes. But, you know, here's here's my You have a solution or I wanna get somebody like this guy that Tom's interacted with to talk to him. Have you heard about this?
Because usually, if I try and confront people like that, they blow me off, and I don't wanna miss I don't wanna blow my wallet on the first shot when somebody that may not be totally in the of a mind to be receptive at that point. I'd rather have somebody like Amos Miller's buddy here and Amos go, have you looked into this? You know? So, anyway, that's just what I've learned over the years. Yeah. But, yeah, Barnes is Amos' attorney, and you can get him on Sunday evening. So Viva Viva Barnes, I think, is what they label it. Anyway, it's over on rumble.com. They do it live, and Barnes is just a hell of a guy. I mean I mean, he's really the hell of an attorney there. He they're talking about they've tried to been rumors of them trying to knock him off speaking of assassinating people. He's a real thorn in their side. K?
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Yeah. In one of the live chats, I I, at one of those shows, I told, Veeva to interview,
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Roger Sales. I remember on the thirteenth amendment. Thirteenth and fourteenth amendment. I remember when I heard it, I went, yikes. I remember his honor. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you. You never called me. You know? You know? Bye bye. You never know where one of those seeds is gonna germinate. You just don't know. So, anyway, now was that, Shane? Was that Shane that was I heard there?
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No. Roger, this is Tom. I I wanted to get to two quick questions if I could. Okay. Oh, sure. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. So the first one is, I needed to file a trademark for one of my clients, and I was filling out, an account on the the US patent and, trademark office. And it says you have to be a US citizen. And I was wondering if anybody here has experience with that. And is that true? Never. I can have my my business partner do it, but, I'm just curious if anybody did that. Or do you might wanna just call them and say, I'm a a nationalist citizen of The United States Of America. Can don't I qualify also? Yeah.
Okay.
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Okay. Good thing to do. And if if they say no, then let your partner do it.
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Yep. Okay. Great. And then the other one was about, I'm a I'm a partner in an s corp. And I I know the, the code says that a nonresident alien cannot own shares in an s corp. And I've heard Mark Strawman say it's okay and was just curious if anybody here
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This is, this is Mark. You know, this usually when I throw stuff to him. He's not here today, but let me see if I can feel what He's not here today? Shame on that guy. I didn't hear that. I didn't I never heard an arag all morning.
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I just been waiting, sitting back here in the wings waiting.
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Well, explain to Tom this, this LLC thing and the election and all that stuff, if you would. You're much more up on that than I am.
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Well, I'll try. A a a nonresidential
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By the way, Tom, meet Mark, our paralegal and Tom.
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Now is this the Tom I know Mark.
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Yeah. I was in your trust class.
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Okay. Oh, okay. So so, on the LLC, a a nonresident alien can own an LLC. Where it becomes questionable is if they are owning an f if they are a member of an s chapter corporation or a c c chapter corporation. Right? So that's where we start kind of getting into issues with the with the citizenship status. I've always had the after I've wrapped my head around this fully, I've always had the belief that if they don't give a form option for a national then I can claim to be a US citizen. So like on your trademark thing, if they don't have an option for you to select as a national, then I would just go ahead and and sign it as a US citizen.
You know, it doesn't it's and here's where people are so scared. They're afraid that somehow they're gonna trip up and lose their citizenship status. And guess what? You really can't do that. The only way that you can do that is if you fill out another affidavit and say, it's my intent to be a US citizen and not a national. That's it. So they've they've set up this system that the it's it just totally excludes nationals, that that owe allegiance to a state. Now think about that. They've they've they've created this system that you can't hardly operate in unless you agree to be a US citizen.
And they don't recognize or what they do. We're making them recognize when we pull it out and point out the law that there's two statuses and and that we're nationals. But I've just I've just taken the position that if they don't have an option specifically for selecting to be a national not a US national a national with allegiance to a small s state. Then I'm gonna select US citizen and go on about my business. Comment. Did that help? Did that help, Tom?
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Yeah. I mean, is there is there so I assume there's precedence that that's Hold on, Tom. Hold on.
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So we had somebody it looked like in Kansas had their microphone open. Did we get that closed?
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No. That wasn't me. That was me talking, but it wasn't me in the background. The well, hold on. I was the one wanting to comment.
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Oh, hold hold on. Tom, did that help any?
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Yeah. I just I've heard Roger say, like, you don't wanna lie on a passport application because that's a pretty serious crime. Right. Right. And so I understand your point, though. If it doesn't give an option of a non of a national and you put US citizen, it's not technically lying. But Mhmm. Is there a precedence that that's worked or that that's that's okay?
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Not really. But out of out of necessity and and to keep the peace, that's why we whoever got questioned on it, if I ever got questioned, again, I'm gonna give Paul credit for this, out of the rule of necessity. In other words, you're not letting me live my life in any other way. You've created a system that I can't operate in. You don't give an option to be a national. So out of the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace, I selected US citizen, although I'm a national. Mhmm. If it ever came to light that, you know, there was a question about it. But so far, I don't think anybody's faced that. Right. Tom, I'd love to see you press I like our students to press the envelope on these types of things
[00:31:25] Unknown:
like this. Comment? Yeah. Hold on just a second, Bob. I just a second. A little little cover letter with the affidavit of who you are and and and just say this exploit explanatory statement, then you could take the policy statement from the state department there, that certificate of non citizen nationality, and quote all US citizens are US nationals. I use a quote right from their policy document. Okay? So and just see how they react because we don't know until we press the envelope on some of these issues, and then we get answers. I'm sorry, Bob, to interrupt you. I've gotten called away by my landlady.
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Immigration Naturalization Act. That's all I wanted to mention. Thanks. Thank you. Good, Bob.
[00:32:14] Unknown:
So, man, what a nice group of guys this morning, and we're right jump right into the thick of this and Roger. All that. Yeah. Okay. We're gonna get Bruce. There's a female. Yes, ma'am. There's a female wanting to interact. Let's make sure we got Mark and Tom's conversation sealed off, and we'll go to you two. Okay?
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Let let me wrap it up real quick with this. It's been a while since I've you know, we've touched on this or at least I have, because I'm not here every day. But I feel like it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. We live we live in a society that unless it's specifically prohibited, then it's allowed. Okay? Where other countries, it's the opposite. You can't do anything unless you get permission from some some government agency. But America is not like that. So I would much rather go ahead and do whatever I need to do whether it be the trademark and select US citizen instead of contacting them and saying, Here's my status.
Can I fill out a trademark? Well, you know what the easiest answer is? No. So take care of it first. Do what you got to do first and then follow-up with a simple letter and just say you know there wasn't an option for a national, right? And out of the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace I selected US citizen when I'm actually a national under, you know, eight, USC 11 o one a 21.
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That's that's And I'll bet you a dollar to a donut, Tom, that they will okay it and everything will roll right on and you'll never know any difference. You'll never hear back from them. And then the fall and then just follow-up and just say,
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you know, if there's an issue with this, you know, please let me know within thirty days. That's the typical administrative time frame. You know, from thirty days after receipt of this letter, you know, if you don't respond, then, you know, we'll, help me out with the thing the wording here. I presume that I'm allowed to do that, You know? Mhmm. Something along that lines. I've that wasn't very good. I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.
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I like that, approach of it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.
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Yeah. Tom, does that help? I mean, you don't have to be afraid. You do not have to be afraid No. Of losing your citizenship status, or anything like that. You know? Yeah. I think I think if you select whatever you need to select to get the job done, whether it be a driver's license or, you know, trademark because I'm looking at potential trademark down the road here. The straw man said he wants to be a bigger deal than he is, so we might have to trademark him. Ego. Ego. That's that's a joke. That's a joke, folks. I mean Straw man's not gonna be trademarked. But you see what I'm saying?
So don't don't be fearful about this. I mean, I don't know anybody who's been using this that has really been called in on the carpet for anything. As a matter of fact, when we we had some pushback from the from the passport office in California and they were like, no no you were born in California. You're a US citizen. And so we wrote a really nice I don't think it was maybe one page, full page, maybe a page and a half. And what I included in that is my little touch on it was this, if you're saying I can't be a national and I only can be a US citizen then that is in violation of the thirteenth Amendment against involuntary servitude and then in brackets I put slavery.
And they did a fast one eighty, and they fixed the problem, and they accepted it, and the person got their passport. Oh,
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man. So Let me I wanna throw one thing in that's very interesting. Sorry, Paul. I know, Bruce, you're there. I heard it again yesterday in this fiasco Jones is in with The Onion and Bloomberg and all those. And in one of the answers I don't know if you heard this or not, Tom. In the answer, Bloomberg's attorneys put they were trying to seize Alex Jones' name and his ex account and all this stuff. And they answered back, and they and they told he said, Alex Jones doesn't have access to the thirteenth amendment. That was Bloomberg's attorneys.
Now they're telling you what's going on, but you gotta understand everything that's under it to understand what they're saying.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So does that help, Tom? Does that kinda clear it up for you? The own the only thing I would add is this year, they made us file these, beneficial owner documents to prove exactly who each owner of the corporation is. And so I feel like they've got a lot of insight into into me. Who's Like, will the they? I guess the the IRS.
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Okay. That was suspended.
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Yeah. That that was not ever went through. You didn't have to do that. It should have been suspended, and it was back again, on again, off again. And the last I heard, then that that pretty much is, I guess, permanently suspended.
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Oh,
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yeah. Great. Did you already fill that out? Yeah. Our CPAs,
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yeah, said you you yeah. You gotta fill it out. We did it. Okay. So what did you what did you put if you feel like sharing, what did you put on that? I think it was before I became a national. So I I Oh, that's fine. I'm a US citizen on it. Oh, okay. No problem.
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This is totally after the fact then. Oh, you're ready. Big deal.
[00:38:20] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Go Okay. Okay. Great. Alright. Now we had Bruce, and we had a a female. I'm not sure if it's Julie or or or Annie or who, but Bruce is first. Hey, Bruce. Congratulations.
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Hey. You won the game last week. Go first. Okay?
[00:38:35] Unknown:
Okay. Let the woman go first. The female. Alright, Bruce. What a chivalrous gentleman. Yes, ma'am. It's Muse. Hey, Muse.
[00:38:42] Unknown:
Yes. I just wanted to comment and say that the IRS they told me when I called, ten weeks. And and they said there was an error on my file, but they know they said there was no notation as to what the error was. And just that because I did not respond to the document they sent me, they never sent me a document. I never received anything, that they just set it aside and stopped. And then and so that's why they didn't send me my funds. So even though I've called multiple times and I've I've spoken to people, they asked me if I would re had received a letter. I told them I had not received a letter. They didn't say anything to me about, you know, I'll notate your file that you called in or or check that. They didn't say anything to me. They just said call back next month.
So, this time, he said, I'll put a note on your file that you called to resolve this, and, you should be receiving a notification within ten weeks either saying when you'll receive your payment, that you have received your payment, or, what it is that they're looking for. Alright. Thanks. That was the that was the response I got from them, and, I'm assuming it's just wailing. They're just dragging their feet for some reason.
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Well, they've gotta be one of the most demoralized bureaucracies in the system. I mean, really. You know? Yes. People work for the IRS, and they won't even tell their neighbors who they work for.
[00:40:31] Unknown:
Right. Right. And they sent me my funds back last year, and I notified them the prior year to that. And so it's it's long standing. They've they've got my notification. They they they know where I'm you know, it's, you know and they did not on the where's my refund page, the it says on their in their own page that if they need to talk to you, they'll put a notification on that page. So So when you check it, you will see the notification. There is no notification on that page.
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Uh-huh. But just like I said, Tom, I don't think they know what to do with it. Yeah. They never figured anybody was gonna figure out this, especially the tax angle. You gotta admit they've gone through really several layers of incredible actions to hide this. So sorry. We caught you.
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That was all I had to say. Thank you. Thank you, Muse. Happy Saturday.
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Bruce, now it's your turn. Can I issue you again congratulations? Clemson won last night. Yeah. They got lucky, didn't they? Yeah. I guess. I just saw the end of it.
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Yeah. I recorded it. I get I didn't get to see it, at all. Anyway, I had a little fender. It was my fault. I'm backing into a parking place and Uh-oh. Okay. Go ahead.
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No. I said, uh-oh. Go ahead.
[00:42:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so I backed in and I just scraped the bumper of the truck on the side. And you can barely see what my car looked like. I mean, I I dusted it all. And, so, anyway, I waited and waited and waited and waited for the guy to come out of the store. And a guy went in there, and they were trying to make an announcement that, they had the car, you know, it was brand it was new. Crooked. And so I'm waiting and waiting. Finally, he came up came up with his wife. And, he said, you know, the one that hit me, I said, yes, sir. I'm sorry I hit you. I'm just backing into the parking spot, and I was looking in the other bit. I was I was pass passenger side mirror lining up with two, line that, to get in between.
And I, I didn't see your truck, how close I was to the on my side because I was looking at the blade, and I just scraped him. You know? So he we hit everything okay. You know? We were gonna pay for it. You know? Go get the estimate and find out what it is. And we had, the layout help and also me would pay for the damages. And he said, well, you have insurance. I said, no. I don't have insurance. And he said, well, okay. Well, we'll just we'll just do that then. He said, it's not nothing big. And I started talking about being a national. He didn't understand at all what I was saying, so he got on the phone and called the police.
The police came out there, and it took them an hour to get over to this place in town. And they he walked up and looked at the situation, looked at my attack, dah dah dah dah this, I said, dah dah. And he came up to me and said, now you got your you got your driver's license. I said, no. So I don't have a driver's license. I don't need one. And he said, well, I think you do. And he said, what about your tag? I said, well, that's my tag. He said, he said I'm a national. And then he took off on it. He said, you look like a you look like a you look like a well, I can't remember what Sovereign citizen. Who want them sovereign? Sovereign citizen. Right. You look like a sovereign citizen to me. I said, no. No. I'm not a sovereign citizen. Never had been. Never thought about being I'm a national. Well, you look like that to me.
So right there, he he made his own decision over the secretary of state of The United States. Right there. He gave me three tickets. He said, if I see you on the road he took my tag. If I see you on the road, I'm impounding your car, and you will have all kinds of things going on. He threatened. You know? So that him him determine my my, citizenship. He's in he's, broke the law. So I'm gonna go do, citizenship. Tyrant.
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He's being an open tyrant. Well, that's what
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well, that's the point. And I'm gonna I'm gonna do I'm gonna go in in, in the office and and, demand that he come and face me. And I'm gonna have his three tickets, and I'm gonna say, you need to take these back. I'm arresting you for giving me my, citizenship. You're not you're not you're working over the, secretary of state of The United States. And he'll I don't know what's gonna happen after that, but I'm gonna arrest him. He can't do that. Right. And everybody is getting in the office here, the county, the state, and city got, our affidavit and what we're doing with it.
They know about it.
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Okay. Well, I I wanna commend you, Bruce. I'm not just taking off and hanging around and saying I'm not gonna get it and all that stuff. No. Well, that's why I said I'm commending you for that. Most of us, even me, I'm just driven off if there's no noticeable
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damage. Well, on his on his truck, it was. Yeah. It was. Yeah. I mean, I wanna help him. You know? Because it's my fault.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Well, let us know how it turns out. We might have to be raising bail for for Bruce. You can give us a call like Chris Kaye. No. I see. Call. Look. You can you get on FCC from the jail?
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Roger,
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I have a question when you have a moment for group. Okay. Hold on. We're gonna enter I had something for Bruce.
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Okay. Hold on just a second, Mirka. So, Bruce, I I commend you on that, and, they'll let us know how it turns out.
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I'd be down there. What is this? Yesterday been, sir.
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This happened yesterday? I'd be down there Monday morning with it if you're gonna try and do an administrative attack on it. Okay. Let's see what these gals have to say. Hold on. Mirka, you were first.
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Right. Bruce, okay. So make sure that you renotice them with the, notice that you already sent them. Tell them I sent this to you effective this date and write on the cover letter that he and direct it to the superior of his office of where that he works and make sure that they know. The chief of police. Yeah. Chief of police. And let them know that his his, employee officer has exceeded his authority, and he's acting out of his cloak of immunity.
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I'm a put a I'm on I'm a label a, a a number to him pay me.
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Yeah. There you go. Done. I found you give them just make sure you give them your fee schedule. Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh, wait. And and send it in to them. And and They all have time next time. We got it. Don't try and don't try and park in that tiny parking lot. Go park at the back of the parking lot.
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Capisce? Well, it was my mistake. You know? It was my mistake. The lessons.
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This for Tom and everybody else, these are the lessons we all learned.
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But there but but that officer, you know, just ignored you. So you need to make sure that they understand they're educated by their chief
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and, attorney general. Make sure the attorney general is I'll tell you what. I would I would bet a dollar to a donut that Branson, Missouri's police department was taken to Israel and gone through a course with the IDF. I'd almost bet a dollar to a donut on that, Bruce.
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Mhmm. Yeah. I don't doubt it. He said, if I see you just, riding around in that car and, I'm gonna stop you on the road and you I'm gonna take your car. Stare your car. So what's he gonna do?
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Okay. Well, I'd be down there Monday morning with whatever you're gonna do with them. Now Yeah. Mirka, who was the other gal that had something to say?
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Annie.
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Annie.
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Hey.
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You're welcome.
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Thank you. So what then is the difference between a national and a sovereign citizen?
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Well, there's no such thing as a sovereign citizen. There is something as a national, and you can find it in their statutes and regulations. That's the important part. This is why I say and we have people come on here and say, well, I'm a state national. Well, there's no such thing. There's a state citizen, and there's a national, US national, all these others, but there's no state national. You can't find it in any court case. You can't find it in any statute or any regulation, but these people make up this label for what they think they are. And they're trying to tell other people, and they don't have any recognizance because they they don't know what it is. They've never seen it before. So that's why I say, here's the lesson.
Using their exact words, now that we know the definitions that are being imputed and what they are, is the key to the matrix. Because when you got that right word and that right definition, your key goes right in the lock, and when you turn it, it opens doors. Do do you understand what I'm saying?
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Yes. Kind of. Okay.
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Well, using their exact words because they've built a whole scam around this. Statute regulations, a 100 almost a hundred years of stuff. And now that we know the truth goodness. Yeah. It's just like having a doggy door. Boop. I just pop right out. So that's really important. And some of our people, when they come from other teachers or whatever, and they come in here with that like I said, I'm a state national. Well, show me that label anywhere in any official government category. Well, they can't because there isn't that. So getting people to use the exact right words is very critical here in my thinking.
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Roger, Bruce again.
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Bruce again.
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He said that in the beginning after he looked at the car in his car his truck. And he told the guy, you know, he took him out of my sight and talked to the guy. And, then he came back and said, I I gotta go to my truck and and do what I gotta do. And so we all waited on him. He said that he told the guy he could go, and I waited, waited, waited. I waited an hour and a half.
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Ah.
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And then yeah. And he was trying to figure out what in the heck am I? I think. And he was like, oh, man. Two other two other officers came in the parking lot, and one of them came up to me and said, hey, man. What what? You okay? I said, oh, yeah. I'm fine. He said, I heard you had a little bump here. And I said, yeah. That's we got it settled. You know? He said, oh, how'd you do that? He said, well, we agreed to pay for the damage, and I'm her aid, and, without running or anything. You know? And he said, well, that's good. You know? But what's this thing you're talking about being a national?
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Oh, you've been talking on the radio.
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National? Right. Yeah. And so, anyway, so I told him what was going on with the international, and I had an affidavit. And the secretary of state of The United States saying that I want Did you have an an national.
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Did you have a copy in the trial?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, good. Okay. Anyway anyway so, anyway, so I brought it out and showed him. He read it. The first thing he saw was notice that agent noticed it and the principal noticed it. Principal noticed it at Asia. But he said anything about that. He read it and said, this is pretty neat. And I said, well, it's the law. He said, what? I said, it's the law. Thirty days. You don't say anything about it or do you know, dismiss it. And and write back to me, it becomes law. See, every every office holder in the state, city, county, state got that affidavit with all the information with it.
They allowed them. All of them. All of them. All of them have changed. So, anyway, he came back with three three different, three different, citations. Okay. You see and he threatened me. He threatened me. And I said, this is my property, not yours. He said, no. No. No. No. You're on my property. I said, no. I'm not. He cut he claimed that he owned the Earth, basically, is what he's saying.
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He owns the parking lot at where? Walmart?
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The city.
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The whole city. He owns. Oh, wow. Well, he's right. They do have subject matter hey. They've got subject matter jurisdiction over the roads within that municipality to my understanding. This is where it's important to understand that differentiation. His statement wasn't wrong. He just wasn't totally correct. And when you showed him the affidavit, you showed him he didn't have personum jurisdiction
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on you. No. I didn't show him the affidavit. Okay. I did not show him the affidavit. I showed the other officer that came on board. Oh, okay. But see, the chief of police this chief of police was was notified, three months ago.
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Okay. Well can her work out. Sashay down there Monday morning with whatever defenses you're gonna throw up and let us know how they react. Okay? Okay.
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Yeah. Groovy. Well, I just never know. Too. I'm gonna take her down there. She's she's a national kid.
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Right. The gal you help. Well, this is one of those another one of those situations when I tell you, your your your the the level and degree of your freedom is absolutely directly correlated to how well you understand and can defend your position. And here's an illustration of it. Somebody was talking about IRS a minute ago, Muse. The all these instances, this is why you learn the information. Because if you get in these situations and you don't know it, you you ain't free. And you can't help explain it to other people, and you can't do all the things in wheeling this information and this freedom that we all need to do collectively. Was that Samuel?
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Yes, sir.
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Hi, Samuel. Good morning.
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Good morning. I wanted Mark to check something out. He's, when he's talking about the necessity, he's saying rule. Rule is technically a statutory or administrative or judicial x, more exact point. It should be, for us the doctrine of necessity, which is the basis for common law understanding of what is and isn't law. So it should be doctrine of necessity if you really and it gives you more wiggle room in your complaint using it, whereas a rule, it's a very specific administrative thing that you've gotta bring in order to get a chance at even trying it. So it would be doctrine in common law. In fact here I I looked up an AI description. It says doctrine is a foundational basis of law, especially in common law systems. Legal doctrines are established through judicial precedent and provide their framework for interpreting and applying the law.
They guide how courts decide cases and ensure consistency in legal reasoning.
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So I yield.
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Yeah. I just Thank you, Shane. Keep that up too. And so here's what I like to do too. I prompted Grok and I said, Is there a difference between the terms doctrine of necessity and rule of necessity? And says yes, there is a clear distinction between the doctrine of necessity and the rule of necessity. Though both involve the concept of necessity and law, they operate in different legal contexts and serve different purposes. And so it goes on, it's a pretty long list. But, the rule of necessity is a judicial procedure exception and the doctrine is a general defense and justification.
That's
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my understanding.
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Yeah.
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Good point. And it's in common law, and and that's where we should be. Yep. In our intentions.
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Yeah. I stand corrected. Appreciate that.
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Can I comment now?
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Of course. Yes. We're I'm sorry, Paul.
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Well, we've only been waiting about twenty minutes. I think we're Yeah. We're we're Oh, good. We're long past what I wanted to comment on, but I did wanna talk about the doctrine of necessity. As far as Tom and any answers that he does on the passport application, it does say it does have the caveat unless explanatory statement is attached. So you simply write up an explanatory statement stating that, pursuant to, section four, question, question one d, sub paragraph whatever, I answered citizen of The United States because my actual status as national as recognized by the foreign affairs manual and the, the INA is not provided as an option.
Under the doctrine of necessity and in order to keep the peace, I answered with the most correct, albeit not totally correct answer that was provided. Well, the only question And that covers you.
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The only questions there are your parents citizen of The United States. Tom said, all you have to say is no. He him and his him, I don't know about Rosalind and his wife, but he's already applied for a passport. So that should have already been changed. Should they check it within their own database? But all he has to say is no. Yeah. Well, he's put all that stuff in there.
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Then with that, we explain it.
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Well, the the and they're only used that one time, and that's in the oath, and that's directly correlated to the terms and conditions that you may have violated. Now I think you can take that exact same idea, the explanatory statement is attached, and apply it to anything. I agree with you there. And, see, I think this is where Copper Moonshine still probably saw that. And and they're using that, but they don't really know what they're doing with it.
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K? But what they need to do is they need to put they need to attach an explanatory statement stating that under this question and this question, I answered no to my parents being citizens of The United States. Oh. I have no evidence to support the claim that they were citizens of The United States, so I chose no.
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There's no evidence to support that. I I I don't wanna give them additional paperwork. I wanna take that they've been running on presumption, and now we can flip it, and I want us to run on presumption.
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Right. Okay. Well, speaking of presumptions, you mentioned that, they said that Alex Jones didn't have access to the thirteenth amendment, and they were absolutely god's honest correct with that. They're correct. If Alex Jones is a citizen of The United States, he does not have constitutionally protected rights. He has privileges and immunities, and the only constitutional
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right he has is the right to dwell in the country as a fourteenth amendment citizen. It's the only right. Well, that's what he's told them in the past when they ask him. And thirteenth amendment, Bloomberg's absolutely correct. Thirteenth amendment was written for states and state citizens. That's why it's their jurisdictions at the last. Alex is only a state citizen because he resides in Texas, and he's told them so under the fourteenth amendment. So that's where that is. And what's amazing is that they'll they'll I've heard you mentioned that a number of times. They're saying I don't have access to the thirteenth amendment. Not ever asking why.
Just stating that statement. Okay? And they just don't know. I was but that's what they're saying to the court.
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That was not an opinion of the court. No. No. That was Bloomberg's attorney. Opposing attorney.
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Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Well, as a citizen of The United States, he is presumed. One one second, Mark. As a citizen of The United States, he is presumed to be a resident of the District of Columbia, therefore, an enemy combatant to the state of subdivision of the government. The government. No. No. You're not. So they can they can attack him however. Okay.
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Yeah. So he technically, he's a Texas state citizen, but he resides, which means that the laws of DC c and the fourteenth amendment apply to him in Texas. That's the long arm of it.
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Yep. The long and the short, as it were. And I had a couple of other things that I wanted to add, but I can't remember them now. So,
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we're we're doing pretty well. We don't have any platforms to say goodbye to. We've got a we've got a very brisk conversation this morning. Thank Tom for stepping up. I usually have to beg people, and he just jumped right in the deep end of the pool. So thanks, Tom.
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And my other comments on Tom is his voice and his microphone sounds awesome.
[01:04:22] Unknown:
Yeah. You're excellent on the mic on the fidelity issue. Who was trying to say something? They're just there? Yep. It was Samuel. First off, I'd just like to tell Paul something and then I have a comment. I I sent you that amen thing at 08:00 this morning, so you should be able to find it provided I got it sent right.
[01:04:41] Unknown:
Okay. Looking for her. Yeah.
[01:04:44] Unknown:
I'm becoming of the opinion, and and, Mark, this might be a good thing for you to run by your AI if it'll handle it. I'm under the feeling that as state citizens, we are no longer under the Supreme Court decision of Erie Railroad versus,
[01:05:08] Unknown:
Tompkins.
[01:05:10] Unknown:
And we are back under if we choose because as state citizens, we were able to go in and out of commerce at will. Okay? So I think we have the protection of Swift versus Tyson in commerce. And I think that that would be a real threat to them if it's used as well in a statement that you make to them that you're this is your understanding and that you would stand on it in a court. So just throwing that out there. So we wouldn't Can you come under the all the commerce laws.
[01:05:53] Unknown:
Can you can you give us a synopsis of the video? What is it? Like, ten minutes long? It's twenty. Is Amen? The same as Amenra? It's called it's called
[01:06:04] Unknown:
Amen. Yeah. I think that's the label on it, but it gets into Amenra.
[01:06:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Is Amen the same as Amun Ra, the Amun Ra, Deception, the name of God, part nine?
[01:06:17] Unknown:
Is the is title of it. Paul. I would assume that it's gotta be it. Right? At 08:00.
[01:06:23] Unknown:
Well well yeah. But can you have you have you listened to it? Can you give us a synopsis of it? Or
[01:06:30] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. They they give, like, about 10 points of why it can't be the same thing.
[01:06:37] Unknown:
Okay.
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Like the spelling, the vowels, you know, etcetera, the content, the ancient writings. I mean, they they they're pretty thorough about about it. You know, it's been a while since I've seen it. And then I just wanted to throw it out there for people who are interested and take a look.
[01:07:00] Unknown:
Have you heard the doctrine that says that, you can change a vowel in a word and it does not, fundamentally change the meaning of the word? Like, if you take the e and substitute a u because they're both vowels, it still winds up being the same reference, the same thing because it's still the same pronunciation. Well, the the law is the spoken word.
[01:07:32] Unknown:
So the god culture sort of makes that argument about, y h w h saying that they knew what the consonants were, and they didn't need the vowels in order to pronounce his name.
[01:07:45] Unknown:
So so
[01:07:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know. It's another rabbit hole now, isn't it? Thank you for that. I I just downloaded.
[01:07:55] Unknown:
You know, this kind of stuff, and it's interesting. I I I I I sort of like a lot of what they have to say and you know?
[01:08:05] Unknown:
Cool. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for that. I just downloaded it. I'll, put it in my library.
[01:08:11] Unknown:
Alrighty.
[01:08:13] Unknown:
Cool. Hi, everybody. There's Dave. Boy, everybody's here today. Good morning, Dave.
[01:08:20] Unknown:
Hey. Good morning. I just got something for Bruce. Bruce, when you go to the, you know, the cop shop on Monday, just make sure if you end up if you find yourself in in a, hospital for the criminally insane, make sure you find the the phone booths and, get a hold of somebody real quick because, we'll have to get you up on Roger's show so you could tell your story from the hospital. Remember, we did that for Chris.
[01:08:55] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. That's what I mentioned to him. I was gonna can you can you call into well, that's what I said, Dave. Can you call into the FCC from a pay phone? Right. Yes. Yes. He was trying to say something.
[01:09:10] Unknown:
This is me, Bruce. Oh, Bruce. Thanks for that information. I appreciate that, but I'm bigger than he is. I'm bigger than he is. Alright. I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing. He don't know what he's doing.
[01:09:23] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it'll be very interesting to see how they react to your, shall we say, straightforward approach to these issues.
[01:09:32] Unknown:
I'm I'm gonna I'll rest him. A home day. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Broke the law.
[01:09:40] Unknown:
Well, Bruce, keep us in the loop, buddy. Keep us in the loop. Yeah. I'll I'll have y'all I'll have y'all on the on the storm here. Okay? You might have a we might have a heck of a a heck of a Monday show, Paul. Okay. Who else? Have you got anybody else new out there that's just been sitting on the sidelines listening to all this?
[01:09:59] Unknown:
Yes. Not new, but it's it's William here.
[01:10:03] Unknown:
Oh, hey, William. Okay. Was there somebody else right there too?
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Yes. John in Idaho. Hey, John. But I'll let William go first.
[01:10:14] Unknown:
Alright. I am, man. Back to you. Oh, John. Well, welcome, and glad you found us. Go ahead, William.
[01:10:22] Unknown:
Did you see justice Neil gar Gorsuch? I don't know how you say his last name. Gorsuch. His statement the other day?
[01:10:31] Unknown:
I did not. Tell us.
[01:10:35] Unknown:
He said, the greatest danger in America that it faces today is itself. And he said the Supreme Court, this article here says Supreme Court justice Neil Gorsuch has long championed the importance of civic education in America. So it wasn't totally surprising when he issued a stark warning about what happens when people abandon their shared history and responsibilities. Gorsuch appeared on Fox News and Friends, Thursday morning to debut his new children's book, The Heroes of 1776. And, he talks about the founding fathers and lesser known patriots during the revolutionary war area era. While speaking to the Justice Network host, Lawrence Jones asked Gorsuch about the meaning of the quote from the book, which reads the constitution established the first modern republic in which people rule themselves.
The Trump appointee referred back to the declaration of independence, which said that it contains three radical ideas that we're all created equal. We all have unalienable rights that come to us from God and not from government. And that we have we the people have a right to rule ourselves and not be subject to some dictator or crown or a king. And these these ideas look really old to Europe, really shook old Europe and were never before tried in history. We now almost take them for granted. They're in the air we breathe and the water we swim in, Gorsuch said. But these ideas required courageous men, women, and children to make happen in in 1776, and they require the same of us today. Thomas Jefferson said an ignorant people will never remain free for long, and he's right. We need to preserve our history.
Didn't know our history in order to preserve it. He basically said that there needed to be more, civics education in schools, that people didn't understand, our citizenship and everything, you know, our government in general. I mean, it was just
[01:12:34] Unknown:
out Yeah. Gorsuch well, Gorsuch and, and Clarence are gonna be right together on all these issues every time. Okay? And that's very eloquent. It's very observative of him. He's totally 100% correct, of course. And let's hope on his book tour, I did hear that he had a book out. I didn't realize what it was. And, let's hope that he gets more press as he goes around promoting it. Yep. I just thought it was it was interesting. Wow. Maybe we ought to somebody maybe we ought to write write his office and ask him if he'd like to make a stop here and promote his book.
[01:13:11] Unknown:
Yeah. That'd be great.
[01:13:14] Unknown:
Comment. K. Yes. I heard, Argh. I heard you. I thought you're pinching straw man. What what's up?
[01:13:21] Unknown:
Well, this is really interesting because I'm trying to think you brought this up to me, but they were looking for Gorsuch's senate confirmation hearings. And they said that he he had Gorsuch had referenced people being sovereign throughout his confirmation or I think it was on the second day. So they were wanting me to find the transcript of the hearing, which I did. It's online. And as you go through there, do a keyword search for sovereign. I found four different places where Justice Gorsuch said that we the people are sovereign. And then, Senator Lee basically reaffirmed that.
So, I mean, if people are, you know, oh, you're a sovereign? Yeah, just like Justice Gorsuch said, that the people are sovereign. So you have a Supreme Court Justice during his Senate confirmation hearings talking about how we, the people are sovereign.
[01:14:30] Unknown:
And then the senators confronted him or rejected.
[01:14:34] Unknown:
No, no, none of them corrected him. None of them disagreed with it. No, not at all.
[01:14:40] Unknown:
Amazing.
[01:14:41] Unknown:
I I might be mistaken this I mean, if somebody was really having to fight that title of being a sovereign, you could probably flip it on them. And I think you could probably get maybe a certified copy of this transcript, or it might be a self authenticating document since it's got all their government information on it.
[01:15:06] Unknown:
It might be.
[01:15:08] Unknown:
So there you go. Hold on just a second. Oh, okay. If I may came in, but I had John in the background, a new guy. If I may, what who is it? Is it on what we're talking about here?
[01:15:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a real quick comment about Gorsuch's statement. I think that that is the collective people, not the single. So when you're looking for an answer to that, did Gorsuch mean the individual or the body politic? And I think they're talking about body politic. I would agree with that because the only real sovereign is Jesus Christ.
[01:15:47] Unknown:
Well, don't let him trick back into this speaking of straw man, this straw man argument, this sovereign citizen thing. Because my answer back to no, I'm not one of those because I can't find it in any statute, regulation, or court case. I can find a term called national, though.
[01:16:08] Unknown:
Okay? John? Could you could you say, I'm not a sovereign citizen? But, as Neil Gorsuch said in his confirmation hearings, I am one of the sovereign people recognized by the government as a national.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. You could do that. Or labeled, identified, etcetera, as a national. John, welcome. You're in Idaho. Northern Idaho, middle or Southern?
[01:16:41] Unknown:
Southern. Southern Idaho.
[01:16:44] Unknown:
Alright. Beautiful state. I've been there. I've skied some of your skied. It is. Targhee. I skied Targhee.
[01:16:56] Unknown:
Yeah. It's it's, gets a little bit more beautiful the more north you go. Yeah. Yeah. I I've been listening, I don't know, for I've made it through about 12 shows. Okay. And I have a couple questions. I've been married for quite a while. The wife
[01:17:20] Unknown:
isn't buying into any of this at all. But Well, you're not the only one as you've heard today. No. You know, women, love we love them. Okay? We love our gals. Alright? And you'll notice we've got a number of what I call type a lionesses on the show here. And that is partially because in the old days, thirty years ago, you'd go all these patriot movements, man. There there may have been some females there, but not very many single ones. There are wives and stuff. And now because whatever they've done to our male population, they don't have any testosterone anymore. The females are having to step forward and take the ball. So I'm glad to see you show up and tell your wife that her feelings and understandings are totally understandable because she's not wired that way. And she's got a man like you who's gonna stand in front and step up here. Women are nesters.
They want security. And these things and government raids scare the crap out of them.
[01:18:25] Unknown:
Sorry. Sorry about that.
[01:18:28] Unknown:
So tell her no problem. Okay?
[01:18:33] Unknown:
So if I do this, fill out my affidavit and all that, and she remains a citizen, and we're married, how do I protect her from them coming after her tax my taxes?
[01:18:50] Unknown:
Well, she's gonna have to fail. Like, I guess You have a tax obligation. You just won't be filing jointly. You'll be filing singly. And she if he doesn't have any income, then she doesn't have any obligation. Mark, you wanna weigh in here on it for her with me?
[01:19:07] Unknown:
Yeah. That's correct. You you would file married filing separately, and that's allowed on the ten forty NR, the non resident ten forty tax form. And then your spouse, whatever their status is, if they're a US citizen, they would fill out the appropriate ten forty form if they have a filing requirement. And that's the way you handle it. It's not a big deal.
[01:19:35] Unknown:
K. Idaho can be, rather stingy about the taxes as
[01:19:42] Unknown:
Well, we're not talking about the state. We're talking about federal. Because your your mileage with your state could be different.
[01:19:52] Unknown:
K. Correct. To my knowledge, John Yeah. All states rely on the ten forty federal form for you to pull numbers off and plug in the state form to do to, decide what you owe for the state. Well, if you don't know anything at this federal, then you won't know anything at the state. And what I would do at this stage with you is add a new wrinkle to the process, and that would be when you when you notice IRS after you file with the secretary of state and the other stuff, you notice IRS. And on that notice, official notice, you also cc the Idaho taxing authority at the bottom and include them in that. Oh, he's sending it to the IRS. He's just copying us and let them know ahead of time that that's what you're gonna be doing. Whether they catch it or not is another story.
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K.
[01:20:47] Unknown:
And and it's really I just the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. I can just tell you that right now. A good example is right here one of Roger's local listeners for the tax year 2023, the federal government gave him the full tax refund and the state boxed at it. They didn't agree with his state form. And so this year for 2024, the state gave him a full refund and the IRS says, well, we're going to take a look into your tax return. So see, they don't know what they're doing. It's the most ridiculous organizations that I've ever seen. And then the other thing too is our group likes to mail in paper, right?
And I get that. A lot of people want, you know, a paper trail to prove that they filed and so on and so forth. That's okay. But also realize that that paper form comes in and if it's like something out of the normal, which ours are, and somebody goes, well, what's this? And it's gonna be extra work for them. So that tax horn is probably gonna sit on the side, probably get covered up, and who knows when they're gonna find it again. Right? So, you know, your mileage may vary compared to everybody else's. It's just the nature of dealing with this paper tiger.
And then the good news is and I've I've gone over this this week. I was working with one of the listeners of Roger's show. They received a threat of a frivolous filing penalty. So they're wanting them to correct their their return. So,
[01:22:46] Unknown:
I got that lately. It's been a number of years since they've dragged that out on anybody if I'm if I that I know. No. No. We Anyway. Yeah. We we had somebody,
[01:22:55] Unknown:
part kind of part of this group that, they got hit with a frivolous filing penalty, actually assessed them, a frivolous filing penalty. And so we kind of put our heads together and I told them where they could get some resources and I do give them credit. Now they did mess up their tax forms, they didn't do them right and I don't know if they just kind of jumped the gun trying to get a refund, I don't know. But they did get hit with a frivolous filing penalty, and I have to give them credit because they took one of the documents, from SEDM. That's the sovereign education defense Ministry, I think it is Ministry.
[01:23:39] Unknown:
Yes. .Org.
[01:23:41] Unknown:
Sedm.org. They bought a response letter to to a frivolous filing penalty, and they modified it had to because it doesn't quite fit our our wording and you know what we talk about our status as a national. And so they did reword it and basically the IRS said, Oops, we're sorry. Yeah, you're right. We're not giving you a penalty. And they amended their tax returns and got their refunds and went about their day. So, you know, the main thing is as a as a non resident alien, they really don't have the authority to be assessing you fines and penalties like that. And so I'm working on a memorandum and it's one that Roger and I talked about doing for quite some time.
Frankly now with with AI, if you know what you're looking for, you gotta keep a close eye on AI because it'll make stuff up. An example of that is I for fun, I thought, well, I wonder if AI can write an opposition to a motion for summary judgment. So I gave it the scenario, and it pumped out a a motion or an opposition to a motion for summary judgment, everything looked really good except for one thing. It missed two crucial things. You've got to support it with an affidavit and you've got to support it with documentation Because an affidavit without documentation is just hearsay.
So I said, well what about the affidavit and what about the supporting documents? And it comes back, oh, I'm so sorry. You're correct. That's important. And then it spit out what it should have been. But if you didn't know that, if you didn't know civil procedures, if you didn't have experience as a paralegal, you wouldn't know that. You just take it at face value. Uh-huh. And you can't you just can't do that. So Yep. Anyway, now I tell it to do stuff and I go, don't make up stuff. Don't make, don't hallucinate. Stop lying. Well, kinda like that. And I say, everything, every legal theory that you provide, must be supported in law and provide that law.
Now you get a whole different response when you start doing it that way. You've got to get real kind of specific on how you want it to operate and what kind of data you want it to pull from.
[01:26:22] Unknown:
So Oh, anyway, I wish would you, Mark, if you get a chance when you're doing one of these things, would you flip over and try Enoch Adams? Okay. Now it's not it's not large learned on law stuff, but it's got law stuff in there. They ask it one day just on a whim like we're talking right now and ran something through. It was amazing what it answered. Now Enoch, Mike Adams still, is probably the premier AI in the world on alternative health, which is a big subject around here. So, I throw that out there. Brighteon.ai.
I've Right.
[01:27:01] Unknown:
Yeah. I've been on there, but I haven't used it really for for law that much.
[01:27:10] Unknown:
Oh, and you said that's Enoch?
[01:27:13] Unknown:
Well, that that's what they call it, but that's not the website. The website is Bryteon, bright,likebright,theneo,nasinnancy,easinedward,0asinoscar,nasinnancy,.com. Okay. And that'll take you to what is called Enoch. But I really like it for health questions.
[01:27:37] Unknown:
Well, let me tell you what else. He he's got the point looking ahead where you if you're you can download Enoch and have it on your desktop. So even if they knock out the web or something, you'll still have operation to it. So he he said peep 10,000 people he said 10,000 people have done that already the other day. Go ahead, Mark. Sorry. But be careful when you download it because it's gotta have access to information.
[01:28:03] Unknown:
Just because you download Enoch doesn't necessary unless it comes with the I think I think it comes with the reference material.
[01:28:12] Unknown:
It does. It's my understanding.
[01:28:14] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Cool. Yeah. Cool. So But I have to play around with it for for health questions, and it is really good.
[01:28:23] Unknown:
It's the one I'd I'd always go to if not no other reason than Mike Adams set it up. You know, there's some honesty in there.
[01:28:32] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:28:33] Unknown:
Now, John, old buddy, new buddy, what else can we help you with?
[01:28:39] Unknown:
I think that's good for now. I appreciate it. I just I think it's, this is, the little brother will tell the big brother if you're not doing things right, and then big brother will get more involved in collecting the facts.
[01:28:58] Unknown:
And for you, should you decide to go forward with this, it's totally your decision. K? Because it's your freedom. If I'm not gonna force people because then if you force people, they don't do the necessary things it is to get free, which is study and learn the information. I mean, really. So, but you can always find answers here. As you can tell from your other, I guess, listens, we're a pretty, pretty straight ahead good group. It's a brain trust, I call it, and people bring these problems here. And, we get different perspectives and different solutions. So, welcome to the family, I maybe should say ahead of time.
[01:29:39] Unknown:
Very much. Thank you. Yeah. I down Yes. I download a bunch of, your shows and then listen to them at work. Okay. So I'm trying trying to catch up.
[01:29:51] Unknown:
Okay, man. Well, listen. There's don't don't don't whip yourself too bad. It's a long process. I've been in it over thirty years, and occasionally, I still learn new things. K? So it's a process. The event was when we crossed paths with you, and the pro the rest of it's a process. Don't be too harsh on yourself. And I'll tell you one real good way to learn the material is to teach others. You'll learn real quick what you don't understand. Go back, learn it, understand it, and go find somebody else.
[01:30:25] Unknown:
K. Okay. Alright. Great, man. So one last question, I guess, if you don't mind.
[01:30:32] Unknown:
No. We're not.
[01:30:35] Unknown:
So my wife is about ready to start working again in a professional career.
[01:30:42] Unknown:
Alright.
[01:30:42] Unknown:
And we talked about filing married and single, and as long as she doesn't make money.
[01:30:52] Unknown:
But she is gonna make more money. So Okay. Well, she'll be filing make at least Have her file have her file single, and you'll be eligible. Single. It's separate. Married Separate. Excuse me. Yep. There's a difference. Go ahead. And she's gonna pay a little bit more in tax. That's the enticement they get you in because when they get you in as filing together, then both of you are enslaved in that shit. So Yep. Like, two I'm sorry. Go ahead. No. No. No. Mark. Go.
[01:31:22] Unknown:
I was gonna say here's another thing you don't have to worry about. Years ago, they passed a law against or or, in the IRS, they passed a law, what was called the innocent spouse because they had a lot of people getting a divorce. The wife didn't know that the husband was cheating on their taxes. They can't get the the husband who is, like, unemployed or whatever. And so they're not able to get money out of them, so they went to the spouse who had nothing to do with it. Oh. And they paid they paid their taxes. So they passed a law called the innocent spouse. So if you have a spouse who is a US citizen and you're a national, just let them know. Say, hey. It's okay.
There's an actual law called the innocent spouse. So you're protected no matter what I do with with the IRS.
[01:32:19] Unknown:
Thank you, man. I've never heard that.
[01:32:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Then the other thing too is I strongly recommend before you go down this path, look at your property and put it in a irrevocable trust. Mhmm. That's a good idea. Crucial. That's a safeguard. No matter what you're doing out there, put your car in your own separate trust, not part of your personal property. Not don't you you wanna have multiple trusts. Anything that you have operating out in the public like automobiles, motorcycles, boats, ATVs, anything that you could be using out there and have an accident and could get sued for having that accident, you don't want your home and personal property sitting in that same trust in words vulnerable. So
[01:33:17] Unknown:
Very true. So go through your yellow cab illustration, Mark.
[01:33:22] Unknown:
Well, years ago, I worked for a a personal injury law firm in Las Vegas and we had a case come in it was part of the Yellow Cab and so my attorney was going around going okay everybody this case is capped at $300,000 I'm like $300,000 why is that? And they said, oh, the yellow cab company has every cab in its own unique trust, and that trust only has $300,000 of insurance. And that's that's it. You're and and you can't go after the the cab company because that car is sitting in a trust. So it protect protected the company and of course the yellow cabs they rent out. So if they go up to $300,000 that's all you can get out of the insurance on that cab, the next person you would turn to would be the driver of the taxi and guess what? They don't have any money. They're not going to go act with them. So it's understood we want to watch our cost because the max we can get is $300,000 Same thing here.
You put your car in a separate trust make sure you have insurance on it then you know you're separate from your household property. But you also need the house under a trust too. You as an individual don't wanna be holding property that could be attached. And that doesn't matter you know that matters with the IRS, it matters with the driving, all that stuff. You just want to put yourself in a position that you're collection proof and so in the worst case scenario if you end up having to go to court and you lose, there's nothing for them to take. To grab.
Yeah. So now you're back in the driver's seat. You could, you know, if you're truly at fault and want to do their honorable thing and try to you know compensate them financially with trying to you know fix whatever harm you caused but if they're being unreasonable then you could literally just go file bankruptcy and be done with the whole thing. So but it puts you in the driver's seat.
[01:35:42] Unknown:
Mark, was that your cash in the collection place? Censor.
[01:35:46] Unknown:
Yeah. What about your cash? What about cash accounts?
[01:35:50] Unknown:
Well, if you if you have a bank account, cash Yep. If it's on your body at home, no. They they can't touch it. They usually go after third parties who owe you money like an employer. They can garnish your check. They can go to a bank and hit them with a garnishment notice they'll freeze your account for ten days so if any of that money is exempted from garnishment you have a right to respond to the court and let them know hey this isn't all my money this you know somebody else has got money involved here and so and I've helped people with that in the past where their mother and them were had joint money in account and they because their social security number was on that account they were just a add on to their mother's account they froze it. Now thankfully you know we were aware of it and people don't listen to me like you get a lawsuit, you're on a joint account with somebody, get your name off of it.
You know you're not moving money but you're just getting your name off of it. They didn't listen to me. Oh that's not gonna happen. We're not worried about that happening. And then they go, oh, guess what? It happened. Well, yeah. This is my this is my area of expertise is is asset protection and post judgment collection process. I know what's coming down the pipe, but people are just so rebellious, so hard headed. They think they got it all figured out and won't listen to reason. And because it's gonna be a little bit inconvenient to go do the bank and get their name off an account. They just let it slide, and then they cry when that account gets frozen.
[01:37:43] Unknown:
So I hope that hope that helps. So do you put the checking account or the savings account in a trust?
[01:37:50] Unknown:
You can. Absolutely.
[01:37:52] Unknown:
Okay. That's the question. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome.
[01:37:55] Unknown:
But but now you can back to Or you can better yet convert it into metals and and come out way ahead depending on your situation. Go ahead, Mark. Let me ask you a question. When a when a potential client came into your former employer there, the the, personal injury guy, isn't the first thing they do is take and start running Social Security numbers and see if people have assets?
[01:38:21] Unknown:
Well, they're more interested in insurance. They're more interested in insurance. Okay. So
[01:38:28] Unknown:
Yeah. The insurance companies and them will dance real good.
[01:38:32] Unknown:
Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So the in that instance, now I do know, a person woah. Where did where did you go? We lose you? You do know a person? Not at all. I've got something playing in the background. For some reason, I just
[01:38:52] Unknown:
I don't hear anything. There. Call and you see my end secret messages.
[01:38:57] Unknown:
Okay. I'm not sending a secret message. We do have a question in the chat, though, and We do. We're gonna address it. Let's before the end of the show.
[01:39:09] Unknown:
Okay. Go ahead and talk to you once yourself because I'm Okay. Well, let's address it right now. You have some video that decided to start playing on its own. Oh, one of the Yeah. YouTube does that.
[01:39:19] Unknown:
Just just look across your your tabs at the top of your browser. The one that's got the little speaker on it is the one that's playing audio. The offense I know, but I've got about 12,
[01:39:29] Unknown:
browsers open. So Okay. Okay. It stopped. Well, Jeff I guess it finished.
[01:39:35] Unknown:
He's found it. Yeah. So Jeff in the chat at 11:19 and just after the show started sorry. It's taking us over an hour to get an answer to your question. He says, I have a question. I have a family member that sent their affidavit and cover letter in about a month and a half ago and now wants to renew an existing passport to accompany their national status, which forms they use.
[01:39:56] Unknown:
DS83.
[01:39:58] Unknown:
DS82.
[01:40:00] Unknown:
82, that one. Yeah. DS11
[01:40:03] Unknown:
is what you use if you have a passport that is ex that has been expired over ten years or if it's your first passport application. Yes. The DSC two is the renewal.
[01:40:18] Unknown:
Or if you lost a passport, you've got to fill out a lost or stolen form, and then they make you go back and do a DS11. Right. Otherwise, the key is that you'll notice the warning box statement. You can attach documentation, comma, including affidavits. That is in both versions, the 11 and the 82. So here's what's going on. It's the feudal system, and you can volunteer out at any time. That's why they've got it in the DS 82. So just make sure you include the affidavit with the renewal. You don't have to go you sign it in front of anybody, and you can do the whole thing yourself. There's instructions there on the form at the top.
K? So Yep. That gets you, Jeff, I hope. Okay. Yes, sir.
[01:41:18] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Bob. Hey, Mark. I heard you saying something about, married filing separately. I was looking through national status, the other day yesterday, I think. And one of the entries was apparently written by our friend John in Georgia concerning keeping track of the IRS having tax form having tax data to present to banks, etcetera, etcetera. And it appeared that what he had done was revert back, essentially revoking his revocation of election, if you will Yeah. And going back to just pulling it out every year. Is that if if one were to do that now that's what I understood from reading through multiple different replies there in that forum.
If if you were to do that, by that, I mean, simply do it every year. Don't file a revocation of election. It appeared, if I understood correctly, that you could simply notice the IRS with your affidavit, etcetera, etcetera, and telling them what was happening. And at that point, even if your employer was taking your taxes out, you could get it back every year. It just made it more difficult, but it did leave a paper trail that the bank could look at or do whatever. Am I getting that right?
[01:42:58] Unknown:
I don't know. That was kind of a long convoluted statement, so I'm not quite sure what you're what you're referring. What I'm asking is
[01:43:09] Unknown:
instead of doing the ROE, It appears that he had backed up to the to a backup position of simply taking it back pulling it back from the IRS every year.
[01:43:24] Unknown:
Okay.
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People could do return to him. Another And the point was 40 n r do a ten forty n r every year.
[01:43:32] Unknown:
Yeah. You can do that.
[01:43:34] Unknown:
Okay. Now if that's to happen if that's to happen, do you have to be married filing separately? Or at that point, when you don't have the ROE involved, does that even matter?
[01:43:47] Unknown:
It doesn't matter. Married filing separately, even if both of you are nationals and you're trying to get a refund, nationals cannot file there's no such thing as a joint ten forty NR. It's strictly individual. Yeah. So if you're married, there's a box on there that you'll select married filing separately.
[01:44:12] Unknown:
Right. But I guess my particular question is, do you have to be married filing separately to get yours back? No. My wife has no interest.
[01:44:25] Unknown:
Okay. But but you're you're recorded as being married. Right. I mean, IRS knows that you're married.
[01:44:31] Unknown:
We've been married filing jointly for decades. Yes. That's fine. So so now,
[01:44:37] Unknown:
if you're a national and you need to file a ten forty, you will you will sign off at it on it. Excuse me. You will select that you're married filing separately. Now she may not have a filing requirement, but if you do and you're filing a ten forty NR, then you're gonna sign off on it as being married filing separately.
[01:45:01] Unknown:
Okay. And when you when you get that refund, Bob, that goes in your boat fund.
[01:45:09] Unknown:
Yeah. You got a comment? And you could also tell her, that all those years you were filing jointly, that she was liable even though she didn't have any any in any income or other things. She was liable. They could have gone after her. You were involving her in the slavery deal too. So I don't know if that'll make any difference to her or not, but that was what was happening. William, was that you?
[01:45:33] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a comment. Well, two things. The marriage license wouldn't apply to you as a national anymore. So you really couldn't be married in the eyes of the state. And then the the other thing is, I'm wondering, Mark might know, because he's probably seen Irish transcripts. There's there's line one k on the ten forty n r, and that's your nontaxable income. And I'm wondering if that gets reported to your IRS transcript where a bank could see it.
[01:46:08] Unknown:
Wow. If you'll give me a second, I'll look one up. Because that's what we were using to fight the Oklahoma Tax Commission was a transcript. But, while I'm doing that, William, glad you're on the line. You were either you or somebody was referencing something that you had found about how the states are political subdivisions, and they're not, like, independent.
[01:46:34] Unknown:
Do you recall that? Yeah. There well, there's two things. There was, the Diet v Turner case. Okay. And that expose in there that he he basically that judge I forget the judge's name. But he said that the states were more or less administrative subdivisions of the federal government.
[01:46:56] Unknown:
Can can you email me that information?
[01:46:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I can email you. Case I was telling you about, Mark. That's, our stuff all over it.
[01:47:05] Unknown:
Okay. And if you could look at it, Mark, because I don't have, like, a law library access or, like, Lexus Nexus. I don't know if you could pull up. William,
[01:47:14] Unknown:
don't you live in a county? I do. Yeah. How close is the county seat from you?
[01:47:20] Unknown:
It's not terribly far. I could go over there. Well, almost every
[01:47:23] Unknown:
almost every county court has a law library.
[01:47:29] Unknown:
Okay. So Can you can you could you see, like, Utah Supreme Court cases in our local library?
[01:47:38] Unknown:
Well, that's a good question. It depends. It depends on what depends on what reporter that that case is in. So that if I remember right, that was a state supreme court, and, I do remember seeing that. So
[01:47:52] Unknown:
When they've decided whether they wanted to put it in Fed Supp or not and publish it. Yeah.
[01:48:00] Unknown:
And it says in there like it I was telling Roger the other day, there's a whole section where the font kinda changes and he talks about they talk about the Libra codes and then they bring up Waco and, all this kind of stuff, which was, you know, post 1968. So I feel like that document had been tampered with, and I would like to see '68. Waco was in '92
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or '3.
[01:48:26] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. So whatever document I was looking at from that case had had some stuff added into it by somebody else at some point. So I just I would like to see what was actually on file, in the court record. K. The other the other case where I kinda found that, through reconstruction was in Georgia v Stanton. And, if you just Google Georgia v Stanton, that was in 1867. And they were trying to Georgia was trying to prevent, the federal government from instituting the Reconstruction Acts, because it would basically overthrow the state government. And the Supreme Court agreed that if the Reconstruction Acts were were to be enacted, they would effectively overthrow the state government and put a federal government in its place.
And that's what happened.
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So Exactly what happened.
[01:49:26] Unknown:
The Supreme Court made that statement, but they they wouldn't rule on it because they said it was a political question. And Congress, at the time, was threatening the judicial branch because they had already overridden the presidential vetoes from Andrew Johnson multiple times with Mhmm. What I would consider less than a quorum of states there, because they didn't have any of anybody from the Southern states, and they still overrode a veto. But that was somewhat unconstitutional there, or could be argued. So so they just went rogue. Congress just went rogue as a tyrant, and and overthrew the executive branch. And then to overthrow the legislative branch, they made threats against them. They threatened threatened to legislate the Supreme Court out of existence.
And then they also one of one that they actually did start legislation on, I mentioned to Roger the other day, was if they were gonna rule on a constitutional issue, they would have to have three quarters, not just a majority of justices, but three quarters of justices Right. Approve that, or be in be in agreement, on a constitutional issue. And that did make it, I think, through the house, but not through the senate. So the supreme court just backed down and said, you know, we're just not if it's political and it comes out of the legislative branch, we're not gonna rule on it because we don't wanna Remember,
[01:50:54] Unknown:
heard of those. Came Daryl came on here, one day years ago, and he said, the civil war is misnamed. He said it was really the war to bring in the civil law.
[01:51:09] Unknown:
Right.
[01:51:12] Unknown:
Isn't that true?
[01:51:13] Unknown:
That Sins of the State, that book, he talks about how congress went tyrannical. And, that other that other it was a old was it from 1492? We mentioned it. There was a video on it. What was that, book, Roger? It was a, it was a French book where they talked about,
[01:51:36] Unknown:
being governed by tyrants. The the law by Frederic Bastille? No. No. If you're new It wasn't that one? Okay. Sins of the stain. If you're new. Sins of the stain. The other one?
[01:51:50] Unknown:
It was that it was there's, gosh. I'm trying to remember it now. It was The thumb the hundreds thing that Samuel keeps come No. No. Not that one. It was, it was on BitChute.
[01:52:05] Unknown:
Oh, oh, oh, +1 577.
[01:52:08] Unknown:
Yeah. +1 577.
[01:52:10] Unknown:
Okay. You anybody wants to do this, they used to be there. I'm assuming it still is. Go to there. Okay. You put in quotations 1577 and a space and then more quotations and put voluntary servitude. There's a book written 1577 on this.
[01:52:30] Unknown:
That book is available on Amazon for, like, $3. But Oh my god. In the first yeah. In the first few, portions of it, he says, you know, I'm trying to remember who he was quoting, but basically that, you know, you could have a king or you could have 500 kings, and that somehow or another 500 kings was okay, but one king wasn't. And they could see no appropriation where if you had 500 kings, how that could be any better than having one king. And, I got into an argument, I don't wanna call it argument, discussion with a guy on he's one of my clients on Facebook from years ago, and and he said, I said, you know, congress is a tyrant. Congress is a is your king. You're a subject of congress. You know, kings have subjects.
And, and he said, how can congress be a tyrant? It's 500 elected people. And I said, number one, tyrants can be elected. Hitler was elected. Mussolini was elected. I mean, I could go on and on. I said, but, what's the difference in having 500 tyrants or one tyrant? They're all, you know, they're still a tyrant. They're still a king even if there's 500 of them.
[01:53:45] Unknown:
So, we just kinda went back and forth on that a little bit, but that's that's my view on it. Well, it it's interesting. I never did listen to the whole thing. I we I think do we have that posted, Paul? You probably do already because I know we've discussed it previously.
[01:54:00] Unknown:
Do we have what posted?
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Fifteen seventy seven that book that audio book on voluntary servitude.
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Politics of obedience?
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That's it. That that's it.
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This force on the monetary servitude.
[01:54:16] Unknown:
Let me throw another angle in here. On John Locke wrote a book called Two Tales of Government, I think. And one of them was government by contract. And you see, that's what they've been able to implement through all this fraud that we've uncovered. They've got us into a system proposed by John Locke. There's no fraud. He didn't propose any fraud in it. Sure. They wove it right in there, but but this these are these old ideas that have been around.
[01:54:51] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm sorry to get us, derailed here. I just, It's okay. We'll we'll get you through the four. The question on the on the income tax transcript. But
[01:55:02] Unknown:
Well, well, you can see William has been William is a deep digger, and he he he really likes to dig deep and do all this deep research, and you see the kind of things he's finding. And, it's fabulous, William. Good on you. Roger.
[01:55:18] Unknown:
This is this is the final this is the final key that we're looking for is how can I prove by law that the states as we know them are just political subdivisions of the federal government? And if you can prove that,
[01:55:34] Unknown:
then none of these state courts have any jurisdiction over you unless you commit some kind of like, a violent crime or It would unless there's damage party. Common law crime. Yeah. Well, they yeah. Because there's where the common law is. It's, Samuel that mentioned earlier, Erie Railroad. Well, that was two states, and whose common law is gonna prevail? Okay? Well, if you're in your state, there's common law underneath, and it shows you that the state still exists as it did originally. It's just been veneered over. And what we're doing is ripping back the veneer and they some of you know, here's the phrase that comes in when you start sending out these notices and stuff, Mark, is no they either knew or should have known. They're in an elected position. That entity is still there. They should know it's there, and they should know if properly applied for that you can have access to it. And they should recognize it.
[01:56:30] Unknown:
And I just point them to that eight USC, definition of state, capital S state. Yep. Is is District Of Columbia. It doesn't say the several states. Yep.
[01:56:42] Unknown:
Nope. Good deal, William. Thanks for Roger. All you're doing. Yes, sir. Bob. Yes, sir.
[01:56:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I had occasion to visit with a lawyer a couple days ago and some business related, nothing to do with legal stuff. He he was a landowner, and we were gonna be harvesting on his property for another individual. And he was driving me around looking at Something came up, and I was trying to remember those two phrases that you throw out. I don't mean that badly. You know, do you that you put forward, malaprohibita and malen say, I couldn't come up with them. I I just couldn't come up with it for the for my life. But, basically, what Mark is saying is, if I'm not mistaken, the the state of would have jurisdiction over.
Well, at any rate, the Mala per prohibitive would be administrative law, statutes, regulation. Yeah. You can't spit on the sidewalk. Gotta wear a mask, whereas Mala Correct. And say would be a a crime in and of itself, like murder or battery or, you know, anything of, the where there's an injured party. Is that valid?
[01:57:51] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:57:52] Unknown:
To my knowledge. Yeah. Okay. Well, I couldn't come up with those words. I was wanting to impress him with my knowledge.
[01:57:58] Unknown:
I was just I was just My old friend Ron Brown is the one that used to hammer on those. For the new people in the audience, that's mala n say, a crime within itself or malaprohibita, a man made don't spit on the sidewalk crime. So there we go. It's the end of the week. Good show today. I wanna thank Tom and John and all the new folks, and Annie's being such a good student, and you're soaking all this stuff up like a sponge. And I just really appreciate and love each and every one of you, and we'll be back, of course, on Monday, good lord willing. And, you guys have a very, very good, albeit abbreviated weekend.
And, keep studying. Don't forget. Well, here's Jefferson. Those who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. Absolutely totally dead on. See you soon. Hope. Ciao.
[01:59:01] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger. And thank you, Mark, and everybody. And,
[01:59:07] Unknown:
bless you parents, Mark. I hope they're doing okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Yeah. There's John, thank you. Not that was John, I think, our new guy. Thank you for stepping forward. Nice to meet you. You're among good company here.
[01:59:23] Unknown:
So Is Annie Is that what
[01:59:25] Unknown:
I bet you she is. Annie, are you there? Am.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
I am.
[01:59:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I was a bit distracted when you were asking Roger about the sovereign citizen and, that whole definition. And Roger was talking when he was giving his answer, I had something else going on, and I was listening, but I wasn't listening very well. I I I don't remember if he brought this part forward, but the fact is that the two words are an oxymoron. They're they're antithetical to each other. A sovereign has no rule over them. They are whoever in the situation. The, arch ruler, they're at the top. And a citizen owes allegiance.
You can't have both. It's an it's an oxymoron. That statement the the the phrase is self contradictory, if you will. Does that make sense?
[02:00:19] Unknown:
It does mean that. It it's like driving on a parkway and parking in a driveway.
[02:00:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Or something like that.
[02:00:27] Unknown:
That's good. Annie, Bob's just south of you down there in Okeechobee, by the way.
[02:00:33] Unknown:
So Oh, awesome.
[02:00:36] Unknown:
Yep. Where are you at? Anyway, we'll
[02:00:38] Unknown:
I'm in Jacksonville. Jack Jayville.
[02:00:40] Unknown:
Oh, oh, oh, that's right. That's right. I remember that now. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Up around Larry and Brian and that group and stuff. And how's your husband doing with all this, Annie?
[02:00:52] Unknown:
You know, he he's just expecting me to, to get it done.
[02:00:59] Unknown:
Do the due diligence and make some decisions. Boy. Okay. And to to be honest with you That's called delegating. Yeah. Yes. It is. Yes.
[02:01:09] Unknown:
Yeah. My personality is much more detail oriented than his is. Yes. And and therefore, you know, and I have more flexibility in my schedule than she does. Uh-huh. And so I'm the one that can spend hours listening to videos and taking notes and trying to put the docs together. Well, I So I appreciate interested in joining me with, you know, with pursuing the knowledge, when he retires this next year.
[02:01:40] Unknown:
Oh, okay. So he's close to retirement. Good on him. Well, we're glad to have both of you, and you're a very good student. I can tell. And you're always there, and I bet you're just diligently taking notes and all that. Like, another one well, the most recent one is Julie. Julie just attacked this stuff from the first minute. So, we're right here. We're glad to have you. I love your participation and your questions. Okay? So you let us know how we can help you. Okay?
[02:02:11] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you. Hey, Roger. You have You're so welcome. Roger, do you have her email?
[02:02:15] Unknown:
If possible, can I have that copy? I'd I'd I do not have her email, but we're after hours. She'd be probably be glad to give it to you if you can write it down.
[02:02:25] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm happy to give It it might be well, I can catch it in the replay at any rate. I'm traveling at the moment. So Okay. Okay.
[02:02:34] Unknown:
Well, Annie, why don't I I probably should have your email. So why don't you just send it to me? I'll forward it to Bob. You have my email? Radio ranch. Dash. Okay. Radioranch,nospace,@mail,notgmail,mail,simplymail.com. And just say Annie in, you know, Annie in the subject line. I'll know what it is. Great. Thank you very much. Uh-huh. You're very welcome. I'll just shoot it to Bob, anybody else that needs it? Are are you hooked up with, like, Merica and all the whole resources stuff? Yeah. In Doc's home. I am. Alright. Alright. Alright. We just want you to know you got a support in that here. Okay. Anybody else has something for me?
Otherwise, it's a hell of a college football day today. Yes.
[02:03:27] Unknown:
Yes. It is. This this is Larry. Hey, Larry. Hey. Wasn't there a caller earlier from Idaho? Yes. John. Yes. I'm on. Yeah. So I, I found some some information that he could possibly use in the future when once he gets a handle on the whole, you know, tax thing. And, this is right out of the instructions, and I always encourage people to use whatever's at your disposal, including, you know, laws, codes, and even the instructions. And he could take these instructions and make a copy of them and highlight these sections, to show the Idaho taxing agency.
And the first one, see, they got two forms. If if if you're filling out like a a resident form, if that would be form 40 and if you're doing a non resident form, that would be form 43. And right in the instructions of form 43, it says non resident alien. Nonresident aliens for federal purposes are nonresidents for Idaho income tax purposes. And then it says this in the instructions of form 43. It says, your residency status and income determine if you need to file an Idaho return. See the residency and income sections below. However, in general, it's and then this is the first bullet point. Every Idaho resident who must file a federal income tax return.
Well, he can highlight that and say, well, I'm not required to file a federal income tax return. Therefore, I'm not required to file an Idaho state income tax return. And then right below that, it says this, to to the to file in Idaho return, first complete your federal return. You need the federal return information to complete your Idaho return. Your Idaho filing status must be the same as your federal filing status. So, obviously, if you're not required to file a federal return, you can't even, you know, you can't even meet the, requirements of what the these instructions are saying. So, anyway, I yield.
[02:06:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Don't drown the poor man here. He's kinda new. Okay. John, you can always come back and get these answers. Okay?
[02:06:10] Unknown:
But It's alright. I followed most of that. If we can send that to the archives, though, so I can look at it, that'd be great. It's in it's in the archives now.
[02:06:20] Unknown:
Paul, you wanna tell me how to tap into all that?
[02:06:23] Unknown:
I've been listening for a while. Okay. But, yes, there is a lot to learn and get educated up on.
[02:06:33] Unknown:
Just takes time. Mark, you You're not gonna have them overnight. Just takes time. Take it slowly, one bite at a time.
[02:06:41] Unknown:
Mark, you've been doing this, if I heard correctly, in the last, episodes I've been listening to, like, about twenty years. Just kinda wanted that on here so my wife can hear it.
[02:06:56] Unknown:
Mark, you still there? We may have had to skip that. I I can verify. I'm sorry. I have my microphone on mute.
[02:07:05] Unknown:
I have my microphone on mute. Yeah. I've I've been you know, what was it, November 1999. It was when I first got introduced to Dan Meder and his group that met here in Oklahoma City. And that's where I started. Well, my first job as a paralegal was with Dan Meder and we were doing IRS tax triage and we could hold them off but we never knew how to really make them go away. And Dan brilliant had a double degree in English. Okay. Two different degrees in English. Just amazing, scholar, absolute scholar. And and this is really before we had the level of the internet that we have now you know so anyway Dan before he died in 2003 he had written some some I guess you'd call them a memorandum and he was referring to the National but we didn't know how to declare that officially and that's where Rogers material comes in and it perfectly dovetails with the findings of Dan.
And it just, you know, I walked away from the Patriot community because they, you know, they were just so full of baloney. And I when I was brand new I parroted the same thing about Admiralty Law and the fringe around the gold flag. I heard people that I trusted that they they were saying that and I thought well they're smarter than me. They've been in this longer than me. They must know. No they didn't know. You know they didn't know and they meant they meant well but they were misguided. Unfortunately those those same patriot mythologies per you know continue.
They just get repeated and repeated over and over. A lot of that is by disinformation by government agents who infiltrate every one of these groups. And so they they are able to target people. You know, they get them to put silly stuff on their letters that they mail off. You know, they'll put brackets around their ZIP code or, say, I'm here or near this ZIP code. And, you know now that's all being tracked. Every piece of mail that goes through the US post office is scanned. It's optically scanned and converted and stored. They know every person that you've ever mailed through the post office and they know every person that's mailed to you.
They're recording all that information. So when you start doing things that are out of the normal that are known to be quote patriot methods, you're just paying a target on your back. It's just not necessary. And I wish you were something
[02:10:05] Unknown:
doing something funny. Yeah. The optics that you're talking about, scanning all those packages, I know the guy down here whose brother owns that company. Wow. K? He made $70,000,000 last year.
[02:10:21] Unknown:
Oh my gosh.
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Every time there's a post office renewal or update or a new one or whatever, he does all of that all over the whole country. Yeah. I guess maybe abroad, but he's quite wealthy, obviously.
[02:10:34] Unknown:
I bet. I bet. That's just like we're listening to, Infowars, and they're talking about this pipe bomber. Well, they are are you just there's no privacy left. And they they cannot they have nine I think, what's that guy's name? The former FBI whistleblower, Kyle Sarafin. Sarafin. Sarafin. Sarafin. Kyle Sarafin was saying they've got, like, a 97%, accuracy of how you walk. And when they take how you walk, they call it a gait. You have a certain gait. Well, the pipe bomber had a limp. And then they start comparing that gait to other people. And and then they narrow down, well, where were you? If they know that you're in California, well, obviously, you can't be the pipe bomber in in DC. Right?
And they pretty much got it narrowed down to to some lady that was somehow connected to the government or worked in the government, but they don't you know, they won't pursue it further. But I'm I I say all that to say, you know, you just don't have privacy, period. And, you know, if they're identifying you right now, if they've got they've got cameras that that can gas gather your, you know, the way you walk. And I'm sure every time you step into an airport, all of that's being captured. You're walking through TSA. That's all being captured. Whether you take a you know, whether you stand there and let them take a picture of you or not, they got it all.
The the level of of biometric measuring and tagging people is astounding, and you just don't have any
[02:12:21] Unknown:
any privacy. Well, what you want what you what you want is not be subject to anything they can use that against you for. Right. And that's us. So So okay. Gate me. And that's probably done by AI too. You know?
[02:12:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, that's why that's why when I found Roger's information, I, you know, I kinda step back into the arena because he's right about it. He backs Roger's got the receipts. You know? A lot of these people, when you start pressing them, well, you know, how did you come up with that? Well, they really can't answer that question. Where is that in the law? They can't really answer that question. Roger's got the receipts. And so I'm very comfortable with his information and following this path because it just all clicks. It clicks in the right way.
And it's not based upon Amelty law and the gold fringe flag
[02:13:20] Unknown:
and all that other stuff. I I have to totally attribute John Benson for his whole lifetime research and me being a student he is and getting all the correct foundational answers that well, other people can't answer because they don't know it. Yeah. Like, what's the definition of person? That kind of stuff. John, I want to tell you a story. Right after the book was released, this goes back to, who Mark was talking about, his mentor. And, his mentor. And, I got two emails in the same day. It was almost exactly two weeks after the book was finally released. We'd pre promoted it a lot because it was originally just an 80 page manuscript that I had written back right after I was in Florida, so probably early part of this century, 02/2005.
And, and and when I finally got a shot on the air, I was gonna send it out and just let anybody download it. And, move Doomahichi over there, Jeff Bennett, well, said, why don't we make a book out of it and and make some money? And so, I said, okay. Well, it took about eight months for John and Glenn to edit that into what it became. Released around December 2011 or something. So two weeks later, I get two emails the same day. One of them is from a guy named Jim Prentice who, like Mark, worked with, Dan Meador. He was he was actually Dan's one of, if not the, law research team leader.
He'd been a homicide detective. He lived in Naples, Florida. And, he, found out when he when he was doing his detective work, he saw the same things I did. There's two sets of law books in the law library. You know? Why aren't they using this one? So, anyway, he read my book. He contacted me. He said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. Now get this. I've read it 10 times in two weeks, and I got something different out of it every time. Stunning, you know. And so I will
[02:15:43] Unknown:
I'll look into that book and, whoever commented on the Idaho statutes, I just wanna say thank you.
[02:15:50] Unknown:
Yeah. That is Larry in in Jacksonville. Now the other one I got may also you you may wanna tell your wife this. The other one was from a family, I think, in Wisconsin, Minnesota, somewhere up in that area. And they said your book's a masterpiece, same thing. And they said we want you to know it's on the family bookshelf next to the Bible. Now, buddy, that is humbling.
[02:16:20] Unknown:
K?
[02:16:23] Unknown:
So, otherwise, I'm gonna jet off and go, binge on some football. I'm a sooner today, Mark.
[02:16:30] Unknown:
I'm afraid. Hey. Thank you. Me too. And,
[02:16:33] Unknown:
and, I know we'll tweak William a little bit. He's a big tide man. But, anyway, we're getting, we'll see you on Monday, and Mark will see you middle of next week. You certain? And I hope you, have a good weekend, all of you. Well, thank you very much. Can I ask you a really quick question before you all leave? Yes, ma'am. Yes. Of course, Andy. Go ahead.
[02:16:54] Unknown:
Mark Mark, do you do you do, like, personal
[02:16:57] Unknown:
consultations with people?
[02:17:02] Unknown:
Yeah, I can. I'm just not in a position where I can do all your paperwork. You know, so if it's just something verbally and give you guidance, you know, I can kind of do that. But as far as, you know, doing all your paperwork and so on and so forth, I really just I can't do that. I just can't. But
[02:17:26] Unknown:
I mean I mean, like, in in regard to, tax returns and and things like that, you know, compiling compiling all that information and then how to then move forward.
[02:17:38] Unknown:
It's it's all on nationalstatus.com. Okay. The whole process is over on nationalstatus.com. You go across the top and there's a link called the remedy. And if you hold your cursor or click on, I don't remember which way that goes, but it'll drop down a menu and one of them says the internal revenue service. And you click on that and it's got the whole process. All the all the the $10.40 nrs, everything that you need to to use as a guide to fill out your tax forms, including how to do, like, w fours and and, just the different things that you have to file with an employer and so forth.
[02:18:22] Unknown:
Okay. I'll go there. It's really all laid out there for you. Now Yeah. I just haven't gone there's so much information. I just haven't Oh, I I understand. But
[02:18:31] Unknown:
nationalstatus.com, which takes you over to nationalstatus.info, info. Once you get on that go across and if you hold your cursor over the remedy, there's a menu bar across the top of the page. Hold your cursor over the remedy, a drop down menu shows up and you go down to internal revenue service and there it has all the steps that you need to deal with the IRS. And I really would recommend, I mean we've gotten really good feedback on that and I need to talk today because I'm thinking about taking some of these documents I've done research documents and and maybe see about having them uploaded in a certain section because like one of our listeners was having an issue with the threat of a frivolous filing penalty and they kind of this is what I really kind of wanted to talk about today was the administrative process and people, you know, they get a letter from the IRS and, boy, they're so wound up tight to get a response back.
You know, they don't really they don't really think about what they're writing. It's just kind of a knee jerk response. And typically you got thirty days from the date of the letter, not the date that you received it, but from the date on the letter you got thirty days to deliver some type of response. Now in this case it was twelve days after the date of the letter before they even got the letter. So that cuts into their response time you know seriously and there is a step. Unfortunately, it's not automatic but you can contact the IRS and say I need more time to respond to a letter. That's just But And in Georgia There's there's been times when you know I've I've faced some kind of legal dilemma, and I'm I'm like, do I handle it this way? Should I go at it this way? Whatever.
But if I will just let that, Roger calls it noodle on it. You know, if you noodle on it, there's been times I've woken up in the morning with the answer to how to handle a certain situation in a case. So, you know, you wanna think about things and and really be strategic on on how you respond. So, It Yeah. Any anyway, that's that's what I get. I wrote
[02:21:08] Unknown:
Mark, I'm sorry to interrupt. That was my tendency back in those days. You get something from IRS. You wanna respond to it just quick. And a couple of days later, you go, damn. I wish I'd put that in there. So it's through hard to learn lessons like that that I came to the let let the death settle. So your your mind occasionally will give you the answer, and you didn't even ask. Okay? Yes. So Yes. Exactly. That's a don't get anxious about it. You're the boss. Stay within their limits,
[02:21:40] Unknown:
but you're the boss. I I'll shut up. Go ahead, Mark. I can't tell you how many I can't tell you how many times I I thank you, Roger. I can't tell you how many times I've I've woken up in the morning and, a strategy, a proper response and strategy has come to me regarding a a court case. So, anyway, hope that helps. Don't be in a don't be in a hurry to, you know, to reply to a letter. You typically have some stuff. I yield.
[02:22:11] Unknown:
If they send you a letter and, it's and it takes you twelve days to get it, you can go ahead and fire off a knee jerk response. Tell them you just got the letter, tell them how much time you will need to take care of it, and
[02:22:33] Unknown:
notify them that way. And then send a follow-up after that, after you've had time to properly form a response. Been more like that, Paul. Paul, I'm sorry. I I thought the same thing, but I do did a little digging, and there's actually a formal process that you have to go through and basically get approval to, get additional time to respond. And they put it in their computer system so they don't do an automatic, you know, response letter because they didn't get anything from you. So it's it's it's a formal response that you get to do to ask for additional time. I'll I'll write that up and and let Dave and Kaye put it on the website.
[02:23:16] Unknown:
Alright. Yeah. Like, I have I have something. I just got a letter on asking us to pay a penalty and interest on that and because we didn't file until October, and, of course, we also had to pay. We also had to write a check, which we often have to do in order to, pay what's owed. And, you know, I just got their response to me requesting additional payment for interest and penalty on that payment that we just made. And I'm file a 10:40? Yes.
[02:23:54] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:23:55] Unknown:
Wasn't and and this is this this all occurred before the 10:40 n r. It was like it was like a normal ten forty a, like a US citizen files. Correct. This was this all occurred before,
[02:24:10] Unknown:
me actually filling out my paperwork to become a national. Oh, yeah.
[02:24:15] Unknown:
Not much I can do to help you with that.
[02:24:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Anyway, so, you know, I guess we'll just, you know, pay it and then, then look maybe on the backside of of getting the taxes refunded to us.
[02:24:31] Unknown:
Is that what we would do? There's only been one person that claims that they've done that, but I've never seen any evidence of it, and nobody else on here that I know of has been successful in in getting refunds for the previous three tax years.
[02:24:47] Unknown:
So Oh, okay. Yeah. So
[02:24:50] Unknown:
my my this is why I'm asking did you file a ten forty? Because so far I do not know of anybody who you know has shown proven that they've received a refund. In other words, they amended their tax. They previously filed a ten forty a, and then they went back as a national and and amended that tax return with a ten forty n r and got a refund. Nobody that I know has done that except for one person who's been on this show who's claimed to have done that. That's it. So I don't know. I my experience so far is nobody's been able to do that. Okay. Now now I wouldn't let that keep me from trying.
You know, you certainly try, but it's not gonna hurt you. Okay. And you've if you've already paid the tax and everything, now you're just saying, hey, I want that money back because I'm a national. You can certainly try it, but I'm not gonna say you're gonna get your money back.
[02:25:56] Unknown:
How do you how do you get, let how do you get the, withholding returned to you if you are now if you've been paying withholding,
[02:26:06] Unknown:
like, this whole last year You would file a ten forty n r. Okay. So that's how you get the re that returned to you. Okay. Got it. Yeah. As soon as you become a national, the next following tax or this this tax year for 2025 when you file a tax return in 2026 you file a ten forty NR. And we got again there's samples of all that over on the nationalstatus.com website under the remedy go to internal revenue service and they got sample ten forty x's to amend taxes. They got sample ten forty nrs. They've just for almost every situation you've got, they've they've got it on the website.
[02:26:53] Unknown:
Okay. I'll camp out there. Okay. Thank you very much for your for your suggestions.
[02:26:59] Unknown:
My Hey, Mark. Before you go. Yeah. This was Yes, William. I was wondering if you had a chance to pull up that transcript and see if line one k made it on there. Yeah. I did pull it up, but I didn't see a line one k. So let me verify and get along and get back in front of my eyeballs. So this is
[02:27:18] Unknown:
a it's
[02:27:21] Unknown:
a transcript. It's called the record of account and it's got the shows the form number which was a ten forty NR NR which was for 2023. And as I look through this, I don't see a line one k anywhere. What it does show is like different different sources of income. Total wages, it shows zero. Form w-two wages says zero. Taxable interest income, zero. And if I scroll down this, the only dollar amount that it shows is the amount that was withheld and the amount that was refunded.
[02:28:06] Unknown:
I wonder if I wonder if you file like that I filed that schedule NEC. I know you said you didn't feel that was necessary. Right. But I wonder I wonder how the schedule show up on the transcript or do they? Or just the just the n ten forty n r shows up?
[02:28:22] Unknown:
Well, that's what was on here. Yeah. Okay. You said the ten ninety nine NEC?
[02:28:29] Unknown:
No. It's a Schedule NEC.
[02:28:32] Unknown:
Schedule what is that?
[02:28:35] Unknown:
It's not effectively connected income.
[02:28:38] Unknown:
Oh,
[02:28:40] Unknown:
okay. I So so anything that, you know, the $8.77, I guess, would be any income that's connected with the Federal government or a Federal corporation.
[02:28:53] Unknown:
Well, I've got I've got it says connected income says total, EFF connected income. Income per computer, there's both showing zero. There's four. Oh, shoot. There's four words connected on this transcript. Let me pull it back up here. Accidentally crossed out the keywords I was searching for. Tax on income not connected with US trade or business, which is zero. Tax on income not connected with US trade or business, this is per computer. So I guess they're tracking two different things. I guess maybe one is a manual input and the other one's per the computer because they're just they're right on top of each other. There's a lot of these you see where it says like tax on qualified plans f five three two nine and then below that it's the same thing but it says per computer. So they're getting information from different sources whether it's manually inputted or manually being reported or whether it's just what the computer is saying. So those are all lining up. They don't have a disagreement where you got one line that says zero but the computer says no there is.
So anyway, I didn't see anything that that had to do with, you know, not effectively connected.
[02:30:30] Unknown:
Okay. I guess I'll let mine get filed. I don't know if they filed it yet or not. I just sent them. So
[02:30:36] Unknown:
Did you okay. Because once they once they complete your your tax return and you get your refund, you should be able to go back in and get a copy of your transcript from that.
[02:30:49] Unknown:
Right. Which might be zero. That might be zero. I'm not looking for a refund. But Okay. Well I don't know how I could tell when it was if it's been processed or not. I mean, I guess I could
[02:31:01] Unknown:
check the status of my return. Well, you could do that or you just try to go ask for a transcript. If if they haven't processed it, you won't be able to get a transcript. Okay. It won't be available. But once they successfully processed it, then you should be able to go get a a copy of your transcript for that year.
[02:31:21] Unknown:
There was a lady here the other day that she sent her $10.40 n r to get her taxes back for this year, and and they sent it to Ogden, Utah.
[02:31:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Same here. We got one of the individuals that, that listens to Roger's show that I've worked with. And here's the weird thing is last year, they got a full refund. This year, they're sending it to Ogden. So I'm working on some memorandum of laws to kind of shore things up and and see what's going to happen. I really I really think that, I don't know, To me, and I told this person that they should have filed, for for exempt on withholding. And they didn't they didn't want to do that. And now this year, the IRS is holding their money up. Right? Yeah. Right. So remember, the thing is is if you didn't owe a tax last year, which he didn't, and you don't expect to owe a tax this coming year, which he didn't, then you have the right to file exempt.
And, so they they admitted that they kinda should have done that. And so they're planning on doing it this year. So we'll see.
[02:32:39] Unknown:
This is the first year I got a w two where my employer accepted the w eight b n Uh-huh. Halfway halfway through the year, and it really reports weird on a w two. It shows the first half of the year, you know, I had w two reported income. Right. And then it it just has other nonreported income. So it it kinda shows up strange. But I'm assuming if you use that form, the employer can still take the, you know, just take the deduction for payroll. It just doesn't get reported on your social.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
I don't know. I yeah. For the w eight b e n, you're you're I think you're correct. I mean, nothing goes to the government if you do a w eight b e n. But if you do an exempt w four, then they're still gonna withhold for, like, Social Security and and Right. Medicare, Medicaid, all that stuff.
[02:33:34] Unknown:
Yeah. And they're still like a But they're still gonna report that income, and I think that's where we're getting in into a problem as they go I agree. I agree with you on that. I have a friend all this reported income in in those taxes?
[02:33:48] Unknown:
Right. Right. Well, I have a friend I have a friend that he only works with ten ninety nine's and whenever he gets a ten ninety nine he files a correction on it and he sends it to the IRS saying this is an error you know, I didn't have income from within The United States, yada yada yada. Shouldn't he sent me a sample? I probably shouldn't have said Yeah. You sent me that. My Okay. My concern was with my client
[02:34:18] Unknown:
that $10.99 me if I just didn't want their deductions to get disallowed because I went back and corrected their ten ninety nine and disallowed their deduction of what they paid me. Wow. But I did I did find the, other form. What was it? A 50 Larry brought it up the other day. It's a, it's another nonresident alien form for Okay. Contractors. Right. It was form number it's like the w eight d n for a contractor. It's form eighty two thirty three.
[02:34:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I remember you I was somehow, I come across that or I heard you talk about it. But,
[02:35:01] Unknown:
so I think when the when the you know, if they say, hey. We need your w nine. You need to send them an eighty two thirty three. They're in And not and don't send them a w nine because then Right. You know, then they have a tax document where they can substantiate, you know, the deduction on their end.
[02:35:18] Unknown:
I agree. And why they didn't report it on your end. We really gotta straighten this out because this is where we're running into problems because the the w twos and the ten ninety nines make it look like there's taxable income. Right. Exactly. If we can if we can figure out how to correct that, then we'll we'll have a lot easier time of not having to deal with the IRS.
[02:35:44] Unknown:
And it was a it was a little bit of a battle for me to get my WAB in before I had a different boss before, and he's like, you know, we're we're a federal you know, we're federally regulated with the FAA, and and I hold up a federal position within the company that's federally regulated. And he's like, oh, you gotta be a US citizen to hold that position. And I said, well, I am. I'm just not operating in that capacity. Right. I really just confused the shit out of him, and he's Yeah. I bet. I'm not I'm not sending in this form, and I don't wanna have to you know, I didn't wanna get the the feds dragged into it because I didn't wanna report me or anything. So, I just did exempt, but then I had all that taxable income reported on my social. So Yeah.
But then I had to go the the when I submitted it to my new boss and and she sent it over to the accountant, and the accountant said, no. No. No. You need to submit a w four. And I said, no. I'm a nonresident alien. This is the form for me. And she goes, oh, okay, and processed it,
[02:36:48] Unknown:
and pretty much.
[02:36:52] Unknown:
You know, they don't even ask what it is. You know, they're just like, oh, yeah. That's the checkbox for a nonresident alien. So Yep. Yep.
[02:36:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Yep. That's wild. Okay. Hey. I gotta go. Thanks for your help, Mark. Yeah. We do. Connecting with you, William. Yep. You too, bud. Alright. Well, I hope everybody has a great day. Have a good weekend. And, hopefully, we'll be back here either Wednesday or next Saturday. By Mark.
[02:37:32] Unknown:
Hey. Is Bruce still on?
[02:37:42] Unknown:
Yes, sir?
[02:37:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering, by any chance, have you had this thought or I don't know. Even if it's appropriate to possibly bring a you might wanna bring a habeas petition with you when you go into the
[02:37:59] Unknown:
What what are you saying?
[02:38:01] Unknown:
You might I'm don't know if it's appropriate. You might wanna bring a habeas corpus petition with you on Monday. Uh-huh.
[02:38:09] Unknown:
Yeah. That's a good idea.
[02:38:13] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I thought it might be. I did didn't know, so thought I'd suggest it.
[02:38:19] Unknown:
But, see, every every person that has an office was was sent an affidavit and and all the other stuff that I included in that letter. And, they they've been noticed, and it's been over sixty days. So it's here.
[02:38:38] Unknown:
I understand that. But, you know, you know how they sometimes roll. So Oh, believe me. I know. I know. I was just I was just thinking ahead going, oh, that might be a good idea.
[02:38:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Sure is. Thank you. Yeah. I said I'm gonna have a witness. I got my lady I'm taking care of. She's she's the national too. Yep. Wonderful. She's gonna be a witness to it. She's gonna tell him she she's a national. And I'm her caretaker.
[02:39:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, good luck.
[02:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you.
[02:39:18] Unknown:
Hey, Joe. Or not Joe. Bruce. Yes, sir. I was leaving a message for somebody named Joe. Had Joe on the brain. Sorry. Do they have a copy of your fee schedule?
[02:39:39] Unknown:
No. I don't. I I didn't.
[02:39:42] Unknown:
You didn't you didn't okay. What I put on my fee schedule was, forced compliance under threat, duress, or coercion
[02:39:56] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:39:57] Unknown:
Which would come in really, really handy in your particular instance because he was forcing your compliance under threat, duress, and coercion.
[02:40:06] Unknown:
Well, he was practicing law, and he's, you know, he thinks he he's got the right to do so. You know? Well, he was practicing law without a license too. Right.
[02:40:17] Unknown:
So Yep. And, he was committing false accusation.
[02:40:24] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Was that on the, your prescheduled online?
[02:40:32] Unknown:
Yeah. It's, notice.paulbeaner.com. Okay. Alright. Let me, let me bring that up right quick.
[02:40:49] Unknown:
So
[02:40:50] Unknown:
That's all I got it. All I got is a phone, you know, so I gotta go get it copied. Okay.
[02:40:56] Unknown:
Yeah. My my fee schedule
[02:41:01] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:41:05] Unknown:
Has wish or order with or without intent to cause compelled performance. That's a $125,000 per occurrence.
[02:41:17] Unknown:
Right. Okay. Do you want my email to send me more send send me that?
[02:41:25] Unknown:
Yeah. I can send you the whole package, really.
[02:41:29] Unknown:
Okay. Or I can Okay.
[02:41:31] Unknown:
I can, I can send you the link to Google Drive where you can just go pick it up yourself? My, my whole notification package is online. Mhmm. Let's see.
[02:41:45] Unknown:
You said it's a no fault. Harassment,
[02:41:48] Unknown:
assault, battery, personal injury, permanent injury, damage to property, theft or seizure of property, theft or seizure of the property, that that's the one where, Yeah. If, if he tows your car, theft or seizure of property is 10 times the item value plus $25,000 per item, and that includes the contents of the vehicle. Okay. And then additional damages additional damages procedure of property is $10,000 per item per minute or fraction thereof. Mhmm. That can rack up very quickly. Right. Okay. Detainment or arrest is $250,000 per occurrence, with $20,000 per person, per minute, or fraction thereof.
[02:42:40] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:42:42] Unknown:
Trespass You had that's that's exactly what he did to you. Yeah. Yeah. Trespass is a $100,000 per occurrence. That's trespass while armed. Trespass while unarmed is, is at a discount. It's only 50,000.
[02:43:05] Unknown:
Oh, right.
[02:43:06] Unknown:
Yeah. You have that in the back the window in your car? Don't you have that? I think, how you say you put it in the car. I have it. I have it posted in the left rear window of my car.
[02:43:17] Unknown:
Right. There you go.
[02:43:19] Unknown:
Great. Okay.
[02:43:20] Unknown:
Can you email can you email email this to me?
[02:43:26] Unknown:
I what does your email address start with? Just the first few letters.
[02:43:32] Unknown:
F e s.
[02:43:33] Unknown:
Okay. Let me see. F Estes. Okay. At yahoo dot com. Okay. I got it. Yeah. Yeah. F e s. Okay. Okay. I will be sending you the yep. Got it. And Okay. Thank you. Notice. I think you'll really like the, like, the the bottom paragraph of that.
[02:43:59] Unknown:
Right. I think you'll really like that there. And I have I have to sign it. Right?
[02:44:06] Unknown:
I have to sign it. I'll sign it my name. Right? No. What you'll have to do is you'll have to get it printed out. You'll have to white out my name because it's actually my notification package that is available on the Internet. Yeah. You'll have to white out you'll have to white out my name, sign it, and then, then, make a then print it or Yeah. Copy it. And then yeah. Right. Okay. Actually, you just just white it out. You could actually white it out and then just take it to a notary and sign it in front of the notary.
[02:44:43] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I'll do.
[02:44:44] Unknown:
Yeah. So, yeah, I I emailed that to you. Okay. And, I, I think you'll like it.
[02:44:59] Unknown:
Well, I know I know what it is. Yeah. Thank you.
[02:45:05] Unknown:
Hey, Paul? Yeah. This is this is John.
[02:45:10] Unknown:
Hey, John.
[02:45:12] Unknown:
That's that's something that I would definitely like to have. I do a lot of traveling.
[02:45:23] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:45:25] Unknown:
And if you don't mind, my email starts with j s n.
[02:45:34] Unknown:
Okay. Let me, let me see if I've got you in my, least, compose to j s n. Nope. I don't have you. Yeah. Yeah. Give me the whole address, or you can send an email to me @pgbeaner,eiener. It's just like [email protected].
[02:46:06] Unknown:
I'll just give it to you. J s n so it's [email protected].
[02:46:26] Unknown:
At Paul, can you add me to that too, please? I
[02:46:29] Unknown:
you know, I'm I'm sure that you've already got a copy of this, Sherry.
[02:46:34] Unknown:
No. But I think you did an update. I got one of your original ones.
[02:46:39] Unknown:
No. This is from this this was from 2022.
[02:46:45] Unknown:
Okay. So you don't have an updated version?
[02:46:49] Unknown:
I'll do a I'll do a blind carbon copy on you.
[02:46:57] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Thank you very kindly. Notice.
[02:47:04] Unknown:
And I do have to redo my affidavit because it does, because it does use the phrase, US national instead of simply national. I gotta fix that. But this, but this affidavit's already been on file since 2022. I'm just kinda reluctant to replace it because everything else is right. But it does specifically state that I'm not a citizen under the fourteenth amendment. Okay. There we go.
[02:47:51] Unknown:
Okay. But your fee your fee let or your fee schedule is part of what you're sending me? Because that's what I think you updated.
[02:48:01] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:48:02] Unknown:
Well well, every time I've updated the, every time I've updated the fee schedule, I've updated the notice, the notice that's online. You could just go to notice.paulbeiner.com and it comes right up. Right. I think I even have a barcode around here somewhere where somebody shoots the barcode, they can see my, see my package.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Interesting. Thank you, Paul.
[02:48:31] Unknown:
Yeah. So yeah. I'm I'm thinking that you'll really dig the the last paragraph. You know, basically activating the fee schedule. I could read it right quick. The, fee schedule starts with lawful legal notice. Notice to principal is notice to agent. Notice to agent is notice to principal. In the left column is a list of prohibited actions. On the right column is a list of associated fees. The prohibited actions covered are violations of title 18. Section two forty two, violations of title 18, section two forty one, violation of any US code resulting in loss, harm, or injury, violation of treaty or international law resulting in loss, harm, or injury, trespass armed and trespass unarmed, practicing medicine with or without a license or without consent creating potential or actual injury, detainment or arrest, additional damages for detainment of arrest, so much a minute or fraction thereof, damage to property, any real, tangible, personal, intellectual, biological, or negotiable, theft or seizure of property, additional damages procedure of property, so much per item per minute or fraction thereof, seizure of electronic devices, search of electronic devices, use of facts obtained via search, search of property, any real, tangible, personal, intellectual, biological, or negotiable.
I gotta zoom in on this a little bit. Wish or order with or without intent to cause compelled performance, invasion of privacy and or personal private space, defamation, harassment, assault, battery, personal injury, permanent injury, and death as a result of or during assault or detainment. And the last paragraph is this is a self executing contract, commission of any prohibited actions or knowingly failing to act to prevent the commission of any prohibited actions, represents agreement to the terms and fees of this document in its entirety. All persons, principals, agents, foundations, associations, members, and entities committing, conspiring to commit, or failing to act to prevent the commission of one or more prohibited actions do accept and agree to pay the associated fees for commission of such prohibited actions.
Fees are collectible immediately upon demand through payment and lawful money, lien levy, garnishment, servitude, and seizure. Seized instruments, payments, and property shall be received and valued in the sole discretion and determination of the receiver. The fees, damages, and values are set at the best appropriate value in the sole determination of the author, presenter, server of this document. The author, presenter, server of this document reserves the right to waive or modify fee amounts at any time without notice. This document is not negotiable nor rebuttable.
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May you be compensated accordingly. God bless you.
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Thank you, Joan. Hey. I, I did the, the ABC Health. That info call last night. That show is, up on, radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And, Kurt Rigan, I don't know if anybody's familiar with him. He is a a native American, who has been giving law enforcement in Colorado fits. If if I remember correctly, they pulled him over because he didn't have, plates on his car. Push came to shove and they arrested him. And while he was in in custody, he he filed paperwork for, like, a 174 fellow inmates and got them released. So, oh, that was kind of interesting, kind of fun.
Check that out. His website is, oh, I have it open here. Let me see. I believe it's courtroom, Yeah. Courtroomkungfu.com. Courtroomkungfu.com. And there's, he's got, some interesting Freedom of Information Act things that basically I mean, there are people making a fairly healthy income, just by filing Freedom of Information Act. And, when the agency that they sent them to fails to, fails to respond or fails to give him the information in a timely manner, he just goes, goes ahead and sues them for $100 per page per day that they delay providing that information.
So he he's got people that are they're making a pretty healthy, pretty respectable income out of it. He also has tough on right to travel and tax stuff as well. So, he's got, tribal law, tribal right to travel, disappearing constitutions, video interviews, all kinds of stuff. That is courtroom kung fu. And I think that's probably a really, really good place to, put the Radio Ranch to bed for the day. Thanks for joining us for the Sabado edition of the Radio Ranch on, 11/15/2024. You can catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern.
Our website is thematrixdocs.com, thematrixd0cs.com, where you can find all kinds of great fun stuff, downloadables, exhibits, interviews, resources, and the free conference call link so you can actually join us live on the show. We've got room for a thousand of you, and, we just invite everybody to come on down to the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. That's it for me today. Thanks for being here. Ciao. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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Storming the castle.
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Alrighty. Well, happy Saturday. So wouldn't we. On the Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch, your Roger Sales, your host. It is the fifteenth. I believe Kensei, '11 1520 '5. And, here we are all together at the Radio Ranch. Morning, Paul. How are you doing this morning?
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Good morning. I'm doing good.
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Yeah. Good. Good. You know, the Saturday show's a little bit different. Probably don't have very many folks helping us today. It was started during COVID so that people that were at work, still gainfully employed during the week, had a shot at answering questions and or getting questions answered and that kind of stuff if they want to pursue our little program of freedom here. And, here we are a good number of years later still on the Saturday edition now. And it's for people that still, work during the week or and can't get to us regularly. So we're here to answer your questions. And if none of you show up, which is probably more often the case, then we just talk about whatever.
Don't we, Paul? Yeah. Different events. Yes. There's some current events. Yeah. So I won't ask for any new people because if you're new, you're too scared to come on right here at the first anyway. So we'll lubricate the Hey, Roger. Program with a little discussion. Well, there's somebody right there. Yes. Good morning.
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Hey, Roger. This is Tom in Los Angeles.
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Hey, Tom. How are you doing this morning? Well, welcome back.
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Yeah. Good to be back. I've I've got a couple updates and questions if,
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if you're open to it. You're the man. Jump right in there. Let's get it started with a bang. How you, how has your attorney friend come around yet?
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No. No. No. But, I I did, file a passport application for my son who was born this summer.
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And my wife, who's very concerned about the national status, she saw me put not a US citizen on the application.
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And she said there's no way we're gonna get an a passport for this kid.
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I don't remember on the passport application them asking you if somebody's a citizen.
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Well, it's for it was for my son. And so the mother Yes. And father both have to be there, and and they had to put whether they're US citizen or not. And I put no For you. For you. Passport.
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Oh, okay. That's for you and this the DS11 for him. So okay. I understand now.
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Yeah. Good. So that that was interesting for for my wife to see.
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She didn't believe it, did she? She said, man, they must be those they must not be training those bureaucrats very well because they did this for you. Right? Yeah.
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Yeah. And then the other thing I thought you might be interested in is, I'm part of a co op that gets milk products from Amos Miller. He's the Amish farmer that's kind of famous for getting the bottle and Yeah. Yeah. He's still around. I'm very familiar with this guy. And so he came out a couple weeks ago, and, we got to meet him and and talk with him. Oh, really? His yeah. And, he was driven out by one of his friends who's a Mennonite. Okay. And I talked to this guy, and within when we were talking about the hassling, government that that Amos is dealing with, Within a few minutes, he said, come out of her, my people. Come out of her.
Uh-huh. And I said, woah. Where did you find that? And it turns out he knows all about the Caesareans, the evil nature of government, the biblical nature of status and,
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jurisdiction, and they were That's really that's exciting, Tom. That's that's very exciting. Now, he this is the guy that drove Amos Miller out there to you?
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Yeah. And he was born Amish, and he's, he's a Mennonite now. But Mhmm. I was very shocked to to hear that that Amish and the Mennonite are, up to speed on almost all of this stuff.
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That's very cool. Did you tell him about what we do and that if he if Amos went through this, they wouldn't have any jurisdiction over him?
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Yes. I did. And I was surprised he hadn't he hadn't heard of it already. He was familiar with some other groups that have done similar things. But Yes. Yeah. We're gonna I got his phone number. We're gonna we're gonna chat, and I'm gonna try to
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You you you will you extend an invitation him for me? And if those guys wanna learn, I I will teach them personally. K?
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Great.
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So please issue that to them. And and, that that is thrilling and it's, something I for a number of different reasons, not only would it, like, chisel a a a start in this Amish Mennonite community, but also, you know who their attorney is. Right? You know who Amish's attorney is. Right?
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Yeah. Barnes. Right?
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Yep.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I but that's I didn't because they're with Barnes, I didn't think they knew about a lot of the back end stuff that that you teach and kinda that's that's going on spiritually with all this stuff. So I was I was, pretty surprised to hear that. And, yeah, when I follow-up with him, I'll see if we can bring him on the show and put him in touch with you guys. Tom, I don't know if we could start out the show on a better note. Thank you very much. That's very optimistic,
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and and it's illustrative of for the rest of the people that are listening is you you just gotta you you gotta know this stuff because you don't know when the opportunity is gonna come up like this for you to go, wow. Would have you heard this? Do you know about this? Bam. There's a whole there's a whole Mennonite Yeah. And Amish community. They're all hanging on this right here. If they could get it, I just about guarantee you every one of them would do it.
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Yeah. And they've been through a lot. You know, it was so fascinating talking to Amos. He's like, you know, we we were here before the country started. We we sat on the sidelines during the civil war. You know, we, you know, were were as really not that involved in the world wars. And so they've they've been through a lot. And, that it's a it's a steady hand. And so I was I was, pretty impressed talking to these guys.
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I'll bet well, you know, Barnes keeps saying when he goes up there to do a court or something up in that county I can't remember the county in in Pennsylvania. But, he always just is saying I and I I had the best meal I've ever had. I've been in five star restaurants all over the world, and nothing compares to Amos Miller's wife's cooking.
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Yeah. Yeah. I bet. Yeah. I mean, they ship us out a pallet of, products every two weeks, and it's Really? Very high quality. Very high quality. Cool. Well, is your wife starting to come around a little?
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No. Is she having to stop and think about this? She's not coming around at all.
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She yeah. She's like, it's all fun and games until, you know, until you stop paying taxes. And then we'll find out if it's real or not.
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So Well, you That's that's why I do the arbiter. We'll issue an invitation to her. What's her name? Rosalyn. Rosalyn. Issue an invitation to Rosalyn. She's welcome to come on the program with here, and she can ask any of these people that are on this show if they've had any tax problems, and they'll be more than happy to tell her their situation. We do occasionally have them. The problem is the IRS doesn't know what to do with it. They're they're they're totally in a corner. They don't know what to do. There's a couple of things that they have, advanced here lately that seem to be within the system. In other words, oh, you removed yourself. You somebody was still paying, and we have a w four here. We're looking for a return to match it. That kind of thing. It's generally with states, not the feds, and we've never had any serious blowback. Nobody's lost anything to my knowledge.
So she's welcome to come on talk to the folks about it. If that would help her, she might not want to. But if she wants to, that's open to her. Okay?
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No. She she's smart. She understands everything. She just doesn't think it'll work. But that's but but we have enough evidence. We're rolling the dice. You know, we're gonna we're gonna try it. But, yeah, she's not Well, you see. Optimist. She it's it's got to work.
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It can't fail because this is what they've built their whole system on. We can find it in their system. They've got to recognize it. And besides, they can do all this stuff. They got a lot of influence, a lot of money, and no doubt about it. But they can't control these forces that are dead set against them. In other words, they can't come in and play open tyrant like that. Legitimately, they gotta do it with fraud. And if they do it with fraud, there's always a way out. Yeah. K? And that's the only way they can do it is with fraud. So I think the biggest problem people have, Tom, here with our stuff is they can't believe that they've got the power.
They've been conditioned their whole life since the federal government has the power. And they can't get over the fact, hold it. I gave them that power. I'm gonna take it back, and I can take it back, and they have to recognize it. It's a isn't it amazing?
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That's that is so it is the most amazing thing, and I I didn't realize that. Like like, literally what you're saying, it's a big deal. And, I never knew it. I never knew it, and I never believed it. And I still am on the fence, and I'm waiting. I'm putting it to the test. You know? I'm gonna find out.
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Well, you and everybody else here, nobody has any problems with it. I say generally, you might be a little snaffy or something here sometimes. But generally, we roll, just roll on and they recognize it. And IRS doesn't know what to do about it. I mean, they're they're they're they're they're just they've never been caught like this before. See? And they've always been able to come in and do their heavy handed tactics and intimidation with people. Yeah. And now they can't now they can't do it.
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Well, I am grateful to Larry for doing those two, sessions on your program where he was talking about how to respond to the forms and how to fill out the the ten forty n r because I think I'm I've I've made some pretty hefty, income tax payments over the years. Oh. And, I just feel like they're not gonna let me go that easily. And so having his his support in in the groups, like, the Brain Trust support, I feel like it's gonna be needed.
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I'll tell you Larry's about meticulous, isn't he? I mean, that guy can dig down. It takes a special person to be able to do that. I'm gonna tell you. Yeah. But Tom will you know, keep going. You'll find out that that they're paper tigers, just like I told Jerry, you know, on when that guy from the, passport office called his wife. And then he took the call fifteen minutes later, and they went through that discussion. And the guys you've heard that story. Right?
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Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, you know, I got to the shows live, but I I do listen to almost all the, recordings.
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Well, and Jerry was such a good student, you know. And I it's like I say, whenever you run on a roadblock, your first question is what's the next step in my administrative appeal? And to me, the most indicative thing in that conversation and story was that when Jerry asked him about his administrative appeal, the guy goes, well, I'm the last guy. I'm that guy. Well, they they're they're never gonna call you directly on the telephone. Yeah. I mean, that's just a big tell right there. Okay. And right then I knew it was bluff, but and then he goes, well, okay. I'll send your whole package back. And they find the passports in the mailbox. They're paper tigers.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, I they are in a way, but they're also not paper tigers.
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If you look at all the people, they've thrown out windows and poisoned and the sassy Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold
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on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold they seem to be honoring the loophole here, but they're also pretty bloodthirsty
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and pretty well versed. They can be. We'll ask Charlie Kirk if you could. Yeah. And, of course, I've been aware of that for many years, and I I stumbled on this, kind of put it together, going out the door to move to Argentina. And I thought, well, I'm you know? But what I what I've come to understand, I think, is this, Tom. That's why it's so important for all of us to get this message out. If you when they do that sort of thing to you, assassinate you maybe like they've tried with Trump, different issue, set of issues.
Mhmm. Excuse me. But if they would've killed me, let's say they knocked me off now. All it does is verify my information. Anything out because that's when they can still keep it secret. And that's what they're trying to do. Whatever they're trying to do, they're trying to keep it secret. Now when you get it out, now there's all kinds of brush fires all over the damn place. And if they do come back and kill you, then it makes you a martyr. And we all know they don't like martyrs too much. So anyway, that seems to be the pattern. And also if you're right, I've I've read that they respect people that stand up for their own people and that are right. And we're beating them here fair and square. Okay? Yeah. I I mean, we're putting them right in the corner, putting this piece of paper in front of them, which behind it, if you study, it's got all the truth, all the fraud, everything else, and they can't say anything about it. And they just stay on mute.
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Yep. Yep. No. It's it's Amazing. It's an it's an exciting journey. And, yeah. I can't wait to, see what happens.
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Well, you know, I Tonight? John. John, yes. Just let me mention this. John Yeah. Farmer buddy. Very bright guy like you.
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Yeah.
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And, he came on here one day. I don't remember if it was a conversation he and I were having if he said it on the show, but he says, I think you got the most important message in the world.
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Yeah.
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But that's a heavy that's a heavy statement right there.
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Yeah. I I don't feel comfortable really promoting it, aggressively because I haven't gone through it yet. The I I became a national in May. This is gonna be my first tax year where I I put it to the test. Okay. But after that, I will you know, I if you've cut the the logic and then you've got the evidence of the proof, the whole world will be different for for me. And, I think I would want to, help get that message out.
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Now what about here this week, last week, I guess, we had Alma. See, I don't know if she's listening today. I don't did you hear that? She's a Spanish lady, Mexican. Mhmm. Her husband, they've immigrated to The US. They've gone through the naturalization process. They live in Jersey, have children, and her cousin has children. Now the thing that amazes me is people like Yelma and, lasagna, and the people that are on here that are foreigners, they could never have achieved freedom any lawfully and legally any other way. So here's these people that could never have done this, and they recognize them too.
I just it gives me warm fuzzies. Okay?
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Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm I'm excited to see see it through. And like I said, if if it works, it it is truly, an amazing it is the most important thing in the world.
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It's It's yeah. Yes. There's somebody. Who's that? This is Ezana, Arash. Ezana. There's my boy who comes forward with an example when I just mentioned. Hey, Ezana. How's the wand doing?
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What's that? I'm sorry? How's the wand doing? Oh, the what? The wand is doing doing, doing great. It's been a week, and my wife is feeling, you know, certain. She can't just quite put her mind to it, but she does feel something different. She on her shoulder. She's had shoulder pain for, what, five years now.
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And,
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you know, so it's, it's been a journey, but she's she's she seems to be very excited now if she's looking forward to it.
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And we spend about twenty, twenty five minutes one day every night. So Are you doing just the shoulder, or are you doing this the the the routine of the feet, the hands, etcetera?
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The hand, the whole thing. Yes. So for example,
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yes. Good. We'll keep this informed. Extra on the shoulder. Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. I'm glad you're having some early results and we hope it continues to help her improve. How else can we help you? You're one of these examples I was just talking about. Here's this guy who would've never had a chance at achieving true freedom in in his whole lifetime. And he stumbles over here into The US, and he's here. Obviously, he's done very good here. And, and he stumbles on our message and whammo. Changed person. Yeah.
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So what what, what I wanted to say is when when you conceptually understand what's going on, this speaking to the speaking to the gentleman that's, speaking just a minute ago. Tom. It's Tom. Tom. Okay. I dialed in a little late. And, when I heard Barnes and Amos, and I got real excited. Yeah. No kidding. Where I'm calling. But, but I wanted to say, hey. So, yeah, it it was it it was I it took me about a month to to grasp what what Roger was talking about. And when I understood it, it was it was just just just no way around it. I mean, it had to be it. It was just, it was in back in 2024 at around April. And and I came into it not having any background of this information. So it took me about a month My lord.
From cold start to comprehending what's going on. So I wanted to say that, it's been an amazing journey and understanding listening with, Roger and actually experiencing it. But when it comes to tax, it's, it's nerve wracking. It's scary. It was very, very scary. But, for for me and then in the process, I did make a mistake, and it had to do with, in one of my filings, it has to do with how nervous I was while I was doing the process. And so and and I I did that type of error, and it was I had a blowback from the IRS, and and and I I called them. And it was a very interesting conversation I had. And, the the best of it is they neither confirm nor deny.
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Yeah. So We're not gonna address your frivolous affidavit.
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No. They're not. They didn't they needed you. And so but I know I am in the right I'm doing the right thing now. I get it. So I did the correction. It's just we're gonna wait and see. It's gonna take sixteen weeks.
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Have sixteen weeks? What the Sixteen. Like, one six, best he says? One six. Yeah. Amending takes sixteen weeks. Yeah. Yikes.
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Yeah. So I
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not in a rush. What well, what they're what they're telling you is you're never gonna hear from them again.
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Yeah. It's it's, yeah. Well, no. I I think I'm gonna hear back.
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Well, I had one of the girls down here. That's good. One of the the girls down here that I know, she's been down here twenty eight years, and she just wants some extra money and, not of a mind of us at all. You know? But she wanted to go through the process to get this IRS thing, and they and she she said, Roger, Roger. I got something back from IRS and because, well, we're gonna examine this. We'll we will be talk to you in six hundred and something days.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Hey. Hey, Roger. And
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well, I wanted to I'm sorry if I could get to my last question. Is is is there Yes. Go ahead. So do you get James? Connection to Barnes? What's the connection to Barnes?
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Barnes is Amos, Barnes Barnes. Up. Amos' case pro bono or, you know, no charge.
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And then and do we have access to Barnes? Is that what I heard? Or is this Yeah. Oh, he's on every Sunday night. I know. I'd love to get to him.
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But I wanna get to him through something like this. But, yeah, he's on every Sunday night or at least usually at about 06:00 with Viva Fry, the the Canadian attorney. And they have about a two hour program on Rumble. Usually, it's every Sunday night. And, and Barnes is hopping all over the place. You know, he's not only still lawyering, and he's got a a whole office that deals with IRS too. He was Wesley Snipes' attorney. If you remember, you may or may not remember that was a fiasco. But, yeah, I'd love to get to Barnes. But, you know, here's here's my You have a solution or I wanna get somebody like this guy that Tom's interacted with to talk to him. Have you heard about this?
Because usually, if I try and confront people like that, they blow me off, and I don't wanna miss I don't wanna blow my wallet on the first shot when somebody that may not be totally in the of a mind to be receptive at that point. I'd rather have somebody like Amos Miller's buddy here and Amos go, have you looked into this? You know? So, anyway, that's just what I've learned over the years. Yeah. But, yeah, Barnes is Amos' attorney, and you can get him on Sunday evening. So Viva Viva Barnes, I think, is what they label it. Anyway, it's over on rumble.com. They do it live, and Barnes is just a hell of a guy. I mean I mean, he's really the hell of an attorney there. He they're talking about they've tried to been rumors of them trying to knock him off speaking of assassinating people. He's a real thorn in their side. K?
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Yeah. In one of the live chats, I I, at one of those shows, I told, Veeva to interview,
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Roger Sales. I remember on the thirteenth amendment. Thirteenth and fourteenth amendment. I remember when I heard it, I went, yikes. I remember his honor. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate you. You never called me. You know? You know? Bye bye. You never know where one of those seeds is gonna germinate. You just don't know. So, anyway, now was that, Shane? Was that Shane that was I heard there?
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No. Roger, this is Tom. I I wanted to get to two quick questions if I could. Okay. Oh, sure. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. So the first one is, I needed to file a trademark for one of my clients, and I was filling out, an account on the the US patent and, trademark office. And it says you have to be a US citizen. And I was wondering if anybody here has experience with that. And is that true? Never. I can have my my business partner do it, but, I'm just curious if anybody did that. Or do you might wanna just call them and say, I'm a a nationalist citizen of The United States Of America. Can don't I qualify also? Yeah.
Okay.
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Okay. Good thing to do. And if if they say no, then let your partner do it.
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Yep. Okay. Great. And then the other one was about, I'm a I'm a partner in an s corp. And I I know the, the code says that a nonresident alien cannot own shares in an s corp. And I've heard Mark Strawman say it's okay and was just curious if anybody here
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This is, this is Mark. You know, this usually when I throw stuff to him. He's not here today, but let me see if I can feel what He's not here today? Shame on that guy. I didn't hear that. I didn't I never heard an arag all morning.
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I just been waiting, sitting back here in the wings waiting.
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Well, explain to Tom this, this LLC thing and the election and all that stuff, if you would. You're much more up on that than I am.
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Well, I'll try. A a a nonresidential
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By the way, Tom, meet Mark, our paralegal and Tom.
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Now is this the Tom I know Mark.
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Yeah. I was in your trust class.
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Okay. Oh, okay. So so, on the LLC, a a nonresident alien can own an LLC. Where it becomes questionable is if they are owning an f if they are a member of an s chapter corporation or a c c chapter corporation. Right? So that's where we start kind of getting into issues with the with the citizenship status. I've always had the after I've wrapped my head around this fully, I've always had the belief that if they don't give a form option for a national then I can claim to be a US citizen. So like on your trademark thing, if they don't have an option for you to select as a national, then I would just go ahead and and sign it as a US citizen.
You know, it doesn't it's and here's where people are so scared. They're afraid that somehow they're gonna trip up and lose their citizenship status. And guess what? You really can't do that. The only way that you can do that is if you fill out another affidavit and say, it's my intent to be a US citizen and not a national. That's it. So they've they've set up this system that the it's it just totally excludes nationals, that that owe allegiance to a state. Now think about that. They've they've they've created this system that you can't hardly operate in unless you agree to be a US citizen.
And they don't recognize or what they do. We're making them recognize when we pull it out and point out the law that there's two statuses and and that we're nationals. But I've just I've just taken the position that if they don't have an option specifically for selecting to be a national not a US national a national with allegiance to a small s state. Then I'm gonna select US citizen and go on about my business. Comment. Did that help? Did that help, Tom?
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Yeah. I mean, is there is there so I assume there's precedence that that's Hold on, Tom. Hold on.
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So we had somebody it looked like in Kansas had their microphone open. Did we get that closed?
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No. That wasn't me. That was me talking, but it wasn't me in the background. The well, hold on. I was the one wanting to comment.
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Oh, hold hold on. Tom, did that help any?
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Yeah. I just I've heard Roger say, like, you don't wanna lie on a passport application because that's a pretty serious crime. Right. Right. And so I understand your point, though. If it doesn't give an option of a non of a national and you put US citizen, it's not technically lying. But Mhmm. Is there a precedence that that's worked or that that's that's okay?
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Not really. But out of out of necessity and and to keep the peace, that's why we whoever got questioned on it, if I ever got questioned, again, I'm gonna give Paul credit for this, out of the rule of necessity. In other words, you're not letting me live my life in any other way. You've created a system that I can't operate in. You don't give an option to be a national. So out of the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace, I selected US citizen, although I'm a national. Mhmm. If it ever came to light that, you know, there was a question about it. But so far, I don't think anybody's faced that. Right. Tom, I'd love to see you press I like our students to press the envelope on these types of things
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like this. Comment? Yeah. Hold on just a second, Bob. I just a second. A little little cover letter with the affidavit of who you are and and and just say this exploit explanatory statement, then you could take the policy statement from the state department there, that certificate of non citizen nationality, and quote all US citizens are US nationals. I use a quote right from their policy document. Okay? So and just see how they react because we don't know until we press the envelope on some of these issues, and then we get answers. I'm sorry, Bob, to interrupt you. I've gotten called away by my landlady.
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Immigration Naturalization Act. That's all I wanted to mention. Thanks. Thank you. Good, Bob.
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So, man, what a nice group of guys this morning, and we're right jump right into the thick of this and Roger. All that. Yeah. Okay. We're gonna get Bruce. There's a female. Yes, ma'am. There's a female wanting to interact. Let's make sure we got Mark and Tom's conversation sealed off, and we'll go to you two. Okay?
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Let let me wrap it up real quick with this. It's been a while since I've you know, we've touched on this or at least I have, because I'm not here every day. But I feel like it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. We live we live in a society that unless it's specifically prohibited, then it's allowed. Okay? Where other countries, it's the opposite. You can't do anything unless you get permission from some some government agency. But America is not like that. So I would much rather go ahead and do whatever I need to do whether it be the trademark and select US citizen instead of contacting them and saying, Here's my status.
Can I fill out a trademark? Well, you know what the easiest answer is? No. So take care of it first. Do what you got to do first and then follow-up with a simple letter and just say you know there wasn't an option for a national, right? And out of the rule of necessity and in order to keep the peace I selected US citizen when I'm actually a national under, you know, eight, USC 11 o one a 21.
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That's that's And I'll bet you a dollar to a donut, Tom, that they will okay it and everything will roll right on and you'll never know any difference. You'll never hear back from them. And then the fall and then just follow-up and just say,
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you know, if there's an issue with this, you know, please let me know within thirty days. That's the typical administrative time frame. You know, from thirty days after receipt of this letter, you know, if you don't respond, then, you know, we'll, help me out with the thing the wording here. I presume that I'm allowed to do that, You know? Mhmm. Something along that lines. I've that wasn't very good. I'm still working on my first cup of coffee.
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I like that, approach of it's better to ask forgiveness than permission.
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Yeah. Tom, does that help? I mean, you don't have to be afraid. You do not have to be afraid No. Of losing your citizenship status, or anything like that. You know? Yeah. I think I think if you select whatever you need to select to get the job done, whether it be a driver's license or, you know, trademark because I'm looking at potential trademark down the road here. The straw man said he wants to be a bigger deal than he is, so we might have to trademark him. Ego. Ego. That's that's a joke. That's a joke, folks. I mean Straw man's not gonna be trademarked. But you see what I'm saying?
So don't don't be fearful about this. I mean, I don't know anybody who's been using this that has really been called in on the carpet for anything. As a matter of fact, when we we had some pushback from the from the passport office in California and they were like, no no you were born in California. You're a US citizen. And so we wrote a really nice I don't think it was maybe one page, full page, maybe a page and a half. And what I included in that is my little touch on it was this, if you're saying I can't be a national and I only can be a US citizen then that is in violation of the thirteenth Amendment against involuntary servitude and then in brackets I put slavery.
And they did a fast one eighty, and they fixed the problem, and they accepted it, and the person got their passport. Oh,
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man. So Let me I wanna throw one thing in that's very interesting. Sorry, Paul. I know, Bruce, you're there. I heard it again yesterday in this fiasco Jones is in with The Onion and Bloomberg and all those. And in one of the answers I don't know if you heard this or not, Tom. In the answer, Bloomberg's attorneys put they were trying to seize Alex Jones' name and his ex account and all this stuff. And they answered back, and they and they told he said, Alex Jones doesn't have access to the thirteenth amendment. That was Bloomberg's attorneys.
Now they're telling you what's going on, but you gotta understand everything that's under it to understand what they're saying.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So does that help, Tom? Does that kinda clear it up for you? The own the only thing I would add is this year, they made us file these, beneficial owner documents to prove exactly who each owner of the corporation is. And so I feel like they've got a lot of insight into into me. Who's Like, will the they? I guess the the IRS.
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Okay. That was suspended.
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Yeah. That that was not ever went through. You didn't have to do that. It should have been suspended, and it was back again, on again, off again. And the last I heard, then that that pretty much is, I guess, permanently suspended.
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Oh,
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yeah. Great. Did you already fill that out? Yeah. Our CPAs,
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yeah, said you you yeah. You gotta fill it out. We did it. Okay. So what did you what did you put if you feel like sharing, what did you put on that? I think it was before I became a national. So I I Oh, that's fine. I'm a US citizen on it. Oh, okay. No problem.
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This is totally after the fact then. Oh, you're ready. Big deal.
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Okay. Okay. Go Okay. Okay. Great. Alright. Now we had Bruce, and we had a a female. I'm not sure if it's Julie or or or Annie or who, but Bruce is first. Hey, Bruce. Congratulations.
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Hey. You won the game last week. Go first. Okay?
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Okay. Let the woman go first. The female. Alright, Bruce. What a chivalrous gentleman. Yes, ma'am. It's Muse. Hey, Muse.
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Yes. I just wanted to comment and say that the IRS they told me when I called, ten weeks. And and they said there was an error on my file, but they know they said there was no notation as to what the error was. And just that because I did not respond to the document they sent me, they never sent me a document. I never received anything, that they just set it aside and stopped. And then and so that's why they didn't send me my funds. So even though I've called multiple times and I've I've spoken to people, they asked me if I would re had received a letter. I told them I had not received a letter. They didn't say anything to me about, you know, I'll notate your file that you called in or or check that. They didn't say anything to me. They just said call back next month.
So, this time, he said, I'll put a note on your file that you called to resolve this, and, you should be receiving a notification within ten weeks either saying when you'll receive your payment, that you have received your payment, or, what it is that they're looking for. Alright. Thanks. That was the that was the response I got from them, and, I'm assuming it's just wailing. They're just dragging their feet for some reason.
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Well, they've gotta be one of the most demoralized bureaucracies in the system. I mean, really. You know? Yes. People work for the IRS, and they won't even tell their neighbors who they work for.
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Right. Right. And they sent me my funds back last year, and I notified them the prior year to that. And so it's it's long standing. They've they've got my notification. They they they know where I'm you know, it's, you know and they did not on the where's my refund page, the it says on their in their own page that if they need to talk to you, they'll put a notification on that page. So So when you check it, you will see the notification. There is no notification on that page.
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Uh-huh. But just like I said, Tom, I don't think they know what to do with it. Yeah. They never figured anybody was gonna figure out this, especially the tax angle. You gotta admit they've gone through really several layers of incredible actions to hide this. So sorry. We caught you.
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That was all I had to say. Thank you. Thank you, Muse. Happy Saturday.
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Bruce, now it's your turn. Can I issue you again congratulations? Clemson won last night. Yeah. They got lucky, didn't they? Yeah. I guess. I just saw the end of it.
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Yeah. I recorded it. I get I didn't get to see it, at all. Anyway, I had a little fender. It was my fault. I'm backing into a parking place and Uh-oh. Okay. Go ahead.
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No. I said, uh-oh. Go ahead.
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Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so I backed in and I just scraped the bumper of the truck on the side. And you can barely see what my car looked like. I mean, I I dusted it all. And, so, anyway, I waited and waited and waited and waited for the guy to come out of the store. And a guy went in there, and they were trying to make an announcement that, they had the car, you know, it was brand it was new. Crooked. And so I'm waiting and waiting. Finally, he came up came up with his wife. And, he said, you know, the one that hit me, I said, yes, sir. I'm sorry I hit you. I'm just backing into the parking spot, and I was looking in the other bit. I was I was pass passenger side mirror lining up with two, line that, to get in between.
And I, I didn't see your truck, how close I was to the on my side because I was looking at the blade, and I just scraped him. You know? So he we hit everything okay. You know? We were gonna pay for it. You know? Go get the estimate and find out what it is. And we had, the layout help and also me would pay for the damages. And he said, well, you have insurance. I said, no. I don't have insurance. And he said, well, okay. Well, we'll just we'll just do that then. He said, it's not nothing big. And I started talking about being a national. He didn't understand at all what I was saying, so he got on the phone and called the police.
The police came out there, and it took them an hour to get over to this place in town. And they he walked up and looked at the situation, looked at my attack, dah dah dah dah this, I said, dah dah. And he came up to me and said, now you got your you got your driver's license. I said, no. So I don't have a driver's license. I don't need one. And he said, well, I think you do. And he said, what about your tag? I said, well, that's my tag. He said, he said I'm a national. And then he took off on it. He said, you look like a you look like a you look like a well, I can't remember what Sovereign citizen. Who want them sovereign? Sovereign citizen. Right. You look like a sovereign citizen to me. I said, no. No. I'm not a sovereign citizen. Never had been. Never thought about being I'm a national. Well, you look like that to me.
So right there, he he made his own decision over the secretary of state of The United States. Right there. He gave me three tickets. He said, if I see you on the road he took my tag. If I see you on the road, I'm impounding your car, and you will have all kinds of things going on. He threatened. You know? So that him him determine my my, citizenship. He's in he's, broke the law. So I'm gonna go do, citizenship. Tyrant.
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He's being an open tyrant. Well, that's what
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well, that's the point. And I'm gonna I'm gonna do I'm gonna go in in, in the office and and, demand that he come and face me. And I'm gonna have his three tickets, and I'm gonna say, you need to take these back. I'm arresting you for giving me my, citizenship. You're not you're not you're working over the, secretary of state of The United States. And he'll I don't know what's gonna happen after that, but I'm gonna arrest him. He can't do that. Right. And everybody is getting in the office here, the county, the state, and city got, our affidavit and what we're doing with it.
They know about it.
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Okay. Well, I I wanna commend you, Bruce. I'm not just taking off and hanging around and saying I'm not gonna get it and all that stuff. No. Well, that's why I said I'm commending you for that. Most of us, even me, I'm just driven off if there's no noticeable
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damage. Well, on his on his truck, it was. Yeah. It was. Yeah. I mean, I wanna help him. You know? Because it's my fault.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Well, let us know how it turns out. We might have to be raising bail for for Bruce. You can give us a call like Chris Kaye. No. I see. Call. Look. You can you get on FCC from the jail?
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Roger,
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I have a question when you have a moment for group. Okay. Hold on. We're gonna enter I had something for Bruce.
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Okay. Hold on just a second, Mirka. So, Bruce, I I commend you on that, and, they'll let us know how it turns out.
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I'd be down there. What is this? Yesterday been, sir.
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This happened yesterday? I'd be down there Monday morning with it if you're gonna try and do an administrative attack on it. Okay. Let's see what these gals have to say. Hold on. Mirka, you were first.
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Right. Bruce, okay. So make sure that you renotice them with the, notice that you already sent them. Tell them I sent this to you effective this date and write on the cover letter that he and direct it to the superior of his office of where that he works and make sure that they know. The chief of police. Yeah. Chief of police. And let them know that his his, employee officer has exceeded his authority, and he's acting out of his cloak of immunity.
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I'm a put a I'm on I'm a label a, a a number to him pay me.
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Yeah. There you go. Done. I found you give them just make sure you give them your fee schedule. Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh, wait. And and send it in to them. And and They all have time next time. We got it. Don't try and don't try and park in that tiny parking lot. Go park at the back of the parking lot.
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Capisce? Well, it was my mistake. You know? It was my mistake. The lessons.
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This for Tom and everybody else, these are the lessons we all learned.
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But there but but that officer, you know, just ignored you. So you need to make sure that they understand they're educated by their chief
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and, attorney general. Make sure the attorney general is I'll tell you what. I would I would bet a dollar to a donut that Branson, Missouri's police department was taken to Israel and gone through a course with the IDF. I'd almost bet a dollar to a donut on that, Bruce.
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Mhmm. Yeah. I don't doubt it. He said, if I see you just, riding around in that car and, I'm gonna stop you on the road and you I'm gonna take your car. Stare your car. So what's he gonna do?
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Okay. Well, I'd be down there Monday morning with whatever you're gonna do with them. Now Yeah. Mirka, who was the other gal that had something to say?
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Annie.
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Annie.
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Hey.
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You're welcome.
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Thank you. So what then is the difference between a national and a sovereign citizen?
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Well, there's no such thing as a sovereign citizen. There is something as a national, and you can find it in their statutes and regulations. That's the important part. This is why I say and we have people come on here and say, well, I'm a state national. Well, there's no such thing. There's a state citizen, and there's a national, US national, all these others, but there's no state national. You can't find it in any court case. You can't find it in any statute or any regulation, but these people make up this label for what they think they are. And they're trying to tell other people, and they don't have any recognizance because they they don't know what it is. They've never seen it before. So that's why I say, here's the lesson.
Using their exact words, now that we know the definitions that are being imputed and what they are, is the key to the matrix. Because when you got that right word and that right definition, your key goes right in the lock, and when you turn it, it opens doors. Do do you understand what I'm saying?
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Yes. Kind of. Okay.
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Well, using their exact words because they've built a whole scam around this. Statute regulations, a 100 almost a hundred years of stuff. And now that we know the truth goodness. Yeah. It's just like having a doggy door. Boop. I just pop right out. So that's really important. And some of our people, when they come from other teachers or whatever, and they come in here with that like I said, I'm a state national. Well, show me that label anywhere in any official government category. Well, they can't because there isn't that. So getting people to use the exact right words is very critical here in my thinking.
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Roger, Bruce again.
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Bruce again.
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He said that in the beginning after he looked at the car in his car his truck. And he told the guy, you know, he took him out of my sight and talked to the guy. And, then he came back and said, I I gotta go to my truck and and do what I gotta do. And so we all waited on him. He said that he told the guy he could go, and I waited, waited, waited. I waited an hour and a half.
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Ah.
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And then yeah. And he was trying to figure out what in the heck am I? I think. And he was like, oh, man. Two other two other officers came in the parking lot, and one of them came up to me and said, hey, man. What what? You okay? I said, oh, yeah. I'm fine. He said, I heard you had a little bump here. And I said, yeah. That's we got it settled. You know? He said, oh, how'd you do that? He said, well, we agreed to pay for the damage, and I'm her aid, and, without running or anything. You know? And he said, well, that's good. You know? But what's this thing you're talking about being a national?
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Oh, you've been talking on the radio.
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National? Right. Yeah. And so, anyway, so I told him what was going on with the international, and I had an affidavit. And the secretary of state of The United States saying that I want Did you have an an national.
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Did you have a copy in the trial?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, good. Okay. Anyway anyway so, anyway, so I brought it out and showed him. He read it. The first thing he saw was notice that agent noticed it and the principal noticed it. Principal noticed it at Asia. But he said anything about that. He read it and said, this is pretty neat. And I said, well, it's the law. He said, what? I said, it's the law. Thirty days. You don't say anything about it or do you know, dismiss it. And and write back to me, it becomes law. See, every every office holder in the state, city, county, state got that affidavit with all the information with it.
They allowed them. All of them. All of them. All of them have changed. So, anyway, he came back with three three different, three different, citations. Okay. You see and he threatened me. He threatened me. And I said, this is my property, not yours. He said, no. No. No. No. You're on my property. I said, no. I'm not. He cut he claimed that he owned the Earth, basically, is what he's saying.
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He owns the parking lot at where? Walmart?
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The city.
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The whole city. He owns. Oh, wow. Well, he's right. They do have subject matter hey. They've got subject matter jurisdiction over the roads within that municipality to my understanding. This is where it's important to understand that differentiation. His statement wasn't wrong. He just wasn't totally correct. And when you showed him the affidavit, you showed him he didn't have personum jurisdiction
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on you. No. I didn't show him the affidavit. Okay. I did not show him the affidavit. I showed the other officer that came on board. Oh, okay. But see, the chief of police this chief of police was was notified, three months ago.
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Okay. Well can her work out. Sashay down there Monday morning with whatever defenses you're gonna throw up and let us know how they react. Okay? Okay.
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Yeah. Groovy. Well, I just never know. Too. I'm gonna take her down there. She's she's a national kid.
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Right. The gal you help. Well, this is one of those another one of those situations when I tell you, your your your the the level and degree of your freedom is absolutely directly correlated to how well you understand and can defend your position. And here's an illustration of it. Somebody was talking about IRS a minute ago, Muse. The all these instances, this is why you learn the information. Because if you get in these situations and you don't know it, you you ain't free. And you can't help explain it to other people, and you can't do all the things in wheeling this information and this freedom that we all need to do collectively. Was that Samuel?
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Yes, sir.
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Hi, Samuel. Good morning.
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Good morning. I wanted Mark to check something out. He's, when he's talking about the necessity, he's saying rule. Rule is technically a statutory or administrative or judicial x, more exact point. It should be, for us the doctrine of necessity, which is the basis for common law understanding of what is and isn't law. So it should be doctrine of necessity if you really and it gives you more wiggle room in your complaint using it, whereas a rule, it's a very specific administrative thing that you've gotta bring in order to get a chance at even trying it. So it would be doctrine in common law. In fact here I I looked up an AI description. It says doctrine is a foundational basis of law, especially in common law systems. Legal doctrines are established through judicial precedent and provide their framework for interpreting and applying the law.
They guide how courts decide cases and ensure consistency in legal reasoning.
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So I yield.
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Yeah. I just Thank you, Shane. Keep that up too. And so here's what I like to do too. I prompted Grok and I said, Is there a difference between the terms doctrine of necessity and rule of necessity? And says yes, there is a clear distinction between the doctrine of necessity and the rule of necessity. Though both involve the concept of necessity and law, they operate in different legal contexts and serve different purposes. And so it goes on, it's a pretty long list. But, the rule of necessity is a judicial procedure exception and the doctrine is a general defense and justification.
That's
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my understanding.
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Yeah.
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Good point. And it's in common law, and and that's where we should be. Yep. In our intentions.
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Yeah. I stand corrected. Appreciate that.
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Can I comment now?
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Of course. Yes. We're I'm sorry, Paul.
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Well, we've only been waiting about twenty minutes. I think we're Yeah. We're we're Oh, good. We're long past what I wanted to comment on, but I did wanna talk about the doctrine of necessity. As far as Tom and any answers that he does on the passport application, it does say it does have the caveat unless explanatory statement is attached. So you simply write up an explanatory statement stating that, pursuant to, section four, question, question one d, sub paragraph whatever, I answered citizen of The United States because my actual status as national as recognized by the foreign affairs manual and the, the INA is not provided as an option.
Under the doctrine of necessity and in order to keep the peace, I answered with the most correct, albeit not totally correct answer that was provided. Well, the only question And that covers you.
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The only questions there are your parents citizen of The United States. Tom said, all you have to say is no. He him and his him, I don't know about Rosalind and his wife, but he's already applied for a passport. So that should have already been changed. Should they check it within their own database? But all he has to say is no. Yeah. Well, he's put all that stuff in there.
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Then with that, we explain it.
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Well, the the and they're only used that one time, and that's in the oath, and that's directly correlated to the terms and conditions that you may have violated. Now I think you can take that exact same idea, the explanatory statement is attached, and apply it to anything. I agree with you there. And, see, I think this is where Copper Moonshine still probably saw that. And and they're using that, but they don't really know what they're doing with it.
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K? But what they need to do is they need to put they need to attach an explanatory statement stating that under this question and this question, I answered no to my parents being citizens of The United States. Oh. I have no evidence to support the claim that they were citizens of The United States, so I chose no.
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There's no evidence to support that. I I I don't wanna give them additional paperwork. I wanna take that they've been running on presumption, and now we can flip it, and I want us to run on presumption.
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Right. Okay. Well, speaking of presumptions, you mentioned that, they said that Alex Jones didn't have access to the thirteenth amendment, and they were absolutely god's honest correct with that. They're correct. If Alex Jones is a citizen of The United States, he does not have constitutionally protected rights. He has privileges and immunities, and the only constitutional
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right he has is the right to dwell in the country as a fourteenth amendment citizen. It's the only right. Well, that's what he's told them in the past when they ask him. And thirteenth amendment, Bloomberg's absolutely correct. Thirteenth amendment was written for states and state citizens. That's why it's their jurisdictions at the last. Alex is only a state citizen because he resides in Texas, and he's told them so under the fourteenth amendment. So that's where that is. And what's amazing is that they'll they'll I've heard you mentioned that a number of times. They're saying I don't have access to the thirteenth amendment. Not ever asking why.
Just stating that statement. Okay? And they just don't know. I was but that's what they're saying to the court.
[01:03:08] Unknown:
That was not an opinion of the court. No. No. That was Bloomberg's attorney. Opposing attorney.
[01:03:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Well, as a citizen of The United States, he is presumed. One one second, Mark. As a citizen of The United States, he is presumed to be a resident of the District of Columbia, therefore, an enemy combatant to the state of subdivision of the government. The government. No. No. You're not. So they can they can attack him however. Okay.
[01:03:38] Unknown:
Yeah. So he technically, he's a Texas state citizen, but he resides, which means that the laws of DC c and the fourteenth amendment apply to him in Texas. That's the long arm of it.
[01:03:53] Unknown:
Yep. The long and the short, as it were. And I had a couple of other things that I wanted to add, but I can't remember them now. So,
[01:04:01] Unknown:
we're we're doing pretty well. We don't have any platforms to say goodbye to. We've got a we've got a very brisk conversation this morning. Thank Tom for stepping up. I usually have to beg people, and he just jumped right in the deep end of the pool. So thanks, Tom.
[01:04:15] Unknown:
And my other comments on Tom is his voice and his microphone sounds awesome.
[01:04:22] Unknown:
Yeah. You're excellent on the mic on the fidelity issue. Who was trying to say something? They're just there? Yep. It was Samuel. First off, I'd just like to tell Paul something and then I have a comment. I I sent you that amen thing at 08:00 this morning, so you should be able to find it provided I got it sent right.
[01:04:41] Unknown:
Okay. Looking for her. Yeah.
[01:04:44] Unknown:
I'm becoming of the opinion, and and, Mark, this might be a good thing for you to run by your AI if it'll handle it. I'm under the feeling that as state citizens, we are no longer under the Supreme Court decision of Erie Railroad versus,
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Tompkins.
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And we are back under if we choose because as state citizens, we were able to go in and out of commerce at will. Okay? So I think we have the protection of Swift versus Tyson in commerce. And I think that that would be a real threat to them if it's used as well in a statement that you make to them that you're this is your understanding and that you would stand on it in a court. So just throwing that out there. So we wouldn't Can you come under the all the commerce laws.
[01:05:53] Unknown:
Can you can you give us a synopsis of the video? What is it? Like, ten minutes long? It's twenty. Is Amen? The same as Amenra? It's called it's called
[01:06:04] Unknown:
Amen. Yeah. I think that's the label on it, but it gets into Amenra.
[01:06:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Is Amen the same as Amun Ra, the Amun Ra, Deception, the name of God, part nine?
[01:06:17] Unknown:
Is the is title of it. Paul. I would assume that it's gotta be it. Right? At 08:00.
[01:06:23] Unknown:
Well well yeah. But can you have you have you listened to it? Can you give us a synopsis of it? Or
[01:06:30] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. They they give, like, about 10 points of why it can't be the same thing.
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Okay.
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Like the spelling, the vowels, you know, etcetera, the content, the ancient writings. I mean, they they they're pretty thorough about about it. You know, it's been a while since I've seen it. And then I just wanted to throw it out there for people who are interested and take a look.
[01:07:00] Unknown:
Have you heard the doctrine that says that, you can change a vowel in a word and it does not, fundamentally change the meaning of the word? Like, if you take the e and substitute a u because they're both vowels, it still winds up being the same reference, the same thing because it's still the same pronunciation. Well, the the law is the spoken word.
[01:07:32] Unknown:
So the god culture sort of makes that argument about, y h w h saying that they knew what the consonants were, and they didn't need the vowels in order to pronounce his name.
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So so
[01:07:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know. It's another rabbit hole now, isn't it? Thank you for that. I I just downloaded.
[01:07:55] Unknown:
You know, this kind of stuff, and it's interesting. I I I I I sort of like a lot of what they have to say and you know?
[01:08:05] Unknown:
Cool. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for that. I just downloaded it. I'll, put it in my library.
[01:08:11] Unknown:
Alrighty.
[01:08:13] Unknown:
Cool. Hi, everybody. There's Dave. Boy, everybody's here today. Good morning, Dave.
[01:08:20] Unknown:
Hey. Good morning. I just got something for Bruce. Bruce, when you go to the, you know, the cop shop on Monday, just make sure if you end up if you find yourself in in a, hospital for the criminally insane, make sure you find the the phone booths and, get a hold of somebody real quick because, we'll have to get you up on Roger's show so you could tell your story from the hospital. Remember, we did that for Chris.
[01:08:55] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. That's what I mentioned to him. I was gonna can you can you call into well, that's what I said, Dave. Can you call into the FCC from a pay phone? Right. Yes. Yes. He was trying to say something.
[01:09:10] Unknown:
This is me, Bruce. Oh, Bruce. Thanks for that information. I appreciate that, but I'm bigger than he is. I'm bigger than he is. Alright. I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm doing. He don't know what he's doing.
[01:09:23] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it'll be very interesting to see how they react to your, shall we say, straightforward approach to these issues.
[01:09:32] Unknown:
I'm I'm gonna I'll rest him. A home day. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Broke the law.
[01:09:40] Unknown:
Well, Bruce, keep us in the loop, buddy. Keep us in the loop. Yeah. I'll I'll have y'all I'll have y'all on the on the storm here. Okay? You might have a we might have a heck of a a heck of a Monday show, Paul. Okay. Who else? Have you got anybody else new out there that's just been sitting on the sidelines listening to all this?
[01:09:59] Unknown:
Yes. Not new, but it's it's William here.
[01:10:03] Unknown:
Oh, hey, William. Okay. Was there somebody else right there too?
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Yes. John in Idaho. Hey, John. But I'll let William go first.
[01:10:14] Unknown:
Alright. I am, man. Back to you. Oh, John. Well, welcome, and glad you found us. Go ahead, William.
[01:10:22] Unknown:
Did you see justice Neil gar Gorsuch? I don't know how you say his last name. Gorsuch. His statement the other day?
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I did not. Tell us.
[01:10:35] Unknown:
He said, the greatest danger in America that it faces today is itself. And he said the Supreme Court, this article here says Supreme Court justice Neil Gorsuch has long championed the importance of civic education in America. So it wasn't totally surprising when he issued a stark warning about what happens when people abandon their shared history and responsibilities. Gorsuch appeared on Fox News and Friends, Thursday morning to debut his new children's book, The Heroes of 1776. And, he talks about the founding fathers and lesser known patriots during the revolutionary war area era. While speaking to the Justice Network host, Lawrence Jones asked Gorsuch about the meaning of the quote from the book, which reads the constitution established the first modern republic in which people rule themselves.
The Trump appointee referred back to the declaration of independence, which said that it contains three radical ideas that we're all created equal. We all have unalienable rights that come to us from God and not from government. And that we have we the people have a right to rule ourselves and not be subject to some dictator or crown or a king. And these these ideas look really old to Europe, really shook old Europe and were never before tried in history. We now almost take them for granted. They're in the air we breathe and the water we swim in, Gorsuch said. But these ideas required courageous men, women, and children to make happen in in 1776, and they require the same of us today. Thomas Jefferson said an ignorant people will never remain free for long, and he's right. We need to preserve our history.
Didn't know our history in order to preserve it. He basically said that there needed to be more, civics education in schools, that people didn't understand, our citizenship and everything, you know, our government in general. I mean, it was just
[01:12:34] Unknown:
out Yeah. Gorsuch well, Gorsuch and, and Clarence are gonna be right together on all these issues every time. Okay? And that's very eloquent. It's very observative of him. He's totally 100% correct, of course. And let's hope on his book tour, I did hear that he had a book out. I didn't realize what it was. And, let's hope that he gets more press as he goes around promoting it. Yep. I just thought it was it was interesting. Wow. Maybe we ought to somebody maybe we ought to write write his office and ask him if he'd like to make a stop here and promote his book.
[01:13:11] Unknown:
Yeah. That'd be great.
[01:13:14] Unknown:
Comment. K. Yes. I heard, Argh. I heard you. I thought you're pinching straw man. What what's up?
[01:13:21] Unknown:
Well, this is really interesting because I'm trying to think you brought this up to me, but they were looking for Gorsuch's senate confirmation hearings. And they said that he he had Gorsuch had referenced people being sovereign throughout his confirmation or I think it was on the second day. So they were wanting me to find the transcript of the hearing, which I did. It's online. And as you go through there, do a keyword search for sovereign. I found four different places where Justice Gorsuch said that we the people are sovereign. And then, Senator Lee basically reaffirmed that.
So, I mean, if people are, you know, oh, you're a sovereign? Yeah, just like Justice Gorsuch said, that the people are sovereign. So you have a Supreme Court Justice during his Senate confirmation hearings talking about how we, the people are sovereign.
[01:14:30] Unknown:
And then the senators confronted him or rejected.
[01:14:34] Unknown:
No, no, none of them corrected him. None of them disagreed with it. No, not at all.
[01:14:40] Unknown:
Amazing.
[01:14:41] Unknown:
I I might be mistaken this I mean, if somebody was really having to fight that title of being a sovereign, you could probably flip it on them. And I think you could probably get maybe a certified copy of this transcript, or it might be a self authenticating document since it's got all their government information on it.
[01:15:06] Unknown:
It might be.
[01:15:08] Unknown:
So there you go. Hold on just a second. Oh, okay. If I may came in, but I had John in the background, a new guy. If I may, what who is it? Is it on what we're talking about here?
[01:15:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a real quick comment about Gorsuch's statement. I think that that is the collective people, not the single. So when you're looking for an answer to that, did Gorsuch mean the individual or the body politic? And I think they're talking about body politic. I would agree with that because the only real sovereign is Jesus Christ.
[01:15:47] Unknown:
Well, don't let him trick back into this speaking of straw man, this straw man argument, this sovereign citizen thing. Because my answer back to no, I'm not one of those because I can't find it in any statute, regulation, or court case. I can find a term called national, though.
[01:16:08] Unknown:
Okay? John? Could you could you say, I'm not a sovereign citizen? But, as Neil Gorsuch said in his confirmation hearings, I am one of the sovereign people recognized by the government as a national.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. You could do that. Or labeled, identified, etcetera, as a national. John, welcome. You're in Idaho. Northern Idaho, middle or Southern?
[01:16:41] Unknown:
Southern. Southern Idaho.
[01:16:44] Unknown:
Alright. Beautiful state. I've been there. I've skied some of your skied. It is. Targhee. I skied Targhee.
[01:16:56] Unknown:
Yeah. It's it's, gets a little bit more beautiful the more north you go. Yeah. Yeah. I I've been listening, I don't know, for I've made it through about 12 shows. Okay. And I have a couple questions. I've been married for quite a while. The wife
[01:17:20] Unknown:
isn't buying into any of this at all. But Well, you're not the only one as you've heard today. No. You know, women, love we love them. Okay? We love our gals. Alright? And you'll notice we've got a number of what I call type a lionesses on the show here. And that is partially because in the old days, thirty years ago, you'd go all these patriot movements, man. There there may have been some females there, but not very many single ones. There are wives and stuff. And now because whatever they've done to our male population, they don't have any testosterone anymore. The females are having to step forward and take the ball. So I'm glad to see you show up and tell your wife that her feelings and understandings are totally understandable because she's not wired that way. And she's got a man like you who's gonna stand in front and step up here. Women are nesters.
They want security. And these things and government raids scare the crap out of them.
[01:18:25] Unknown:
Sorry. Sorry about that.
[01:18:28] Unknown:
So tell her no problem. Okay?
[01:18:33] Unknown:
So if I do this, fill out my affidavit and all that, and she remains a citizen, and we're married, how do I protect her from them coming after her tax my taxes?
[01:18:50] Unknown:
Well, she's gonna have to fail. Like, I guess You have a tax obligation. You just won't be filing jointly. You'll be filing singly. And she if he doesn't have any income, then she doesn't have any obligation. Mark, you wanna weigh in here on it for her with me?
[01:19:07] Unknown:
Yeah. That's correct. You you would file married filing separately, and that's allowed on the ten forty NR, the non resident ten forty tax form. And then your spouse, whatever their status is, if they're a US citizen, they would fill out the appropriate ten forty form if they have a filing requirement. And that's the way you handle it. It's not a big deal.
[01:19:35] Unknown:
K. Idaho can be, rather stingy about the taxes as
[01:19:42] Unknown:
Well, we're not talking about the state. We're talking about federal. Because your your mileage with your state could be different.
[01:19:52] Unknown:
K. Correct. To my knowledge, John Yeah. All states rely on the ten forty federal form for you to pull numbers off and plug in the state form to do to, decide what you owe for the state. Well, if you don't know anything at this federal, then you won't know anything at the state. And what I would do at this stage with you is add a new wrinkle to the process, and that would be when you when you notice IRS after you file with the secretary of state and the other stuff, you notice IRS. And on that notice, official notice, you also cc the Idaho taxing authority at the bottom and include them in that. Oh, he's sending it to the IRS. He's just copying us and let them know ahead of time that that's what you're gonna be doing. Whether they catch it or not is another story.
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K.
[01:20:47] Unknown:
And and it's really I just the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. I can just tell you that right now. A good example is right here one of Roger's local listeners for the tax year 2023, the federal government gave him the full tax refund and the state boxed at it. They didn't agree with his state form. And so this year for 2024, the state gave him a full refund and the IRS says, well, we're going to take a look into your tax return. So see, they don't know what they're doing. It's the most ridiculous organizations that I've ever seen. And then the other thing too is our group likes to mail in paper, right?
And I get that. A lot of people want, you know, a paper trail to prove that they filed and so on and so forth. That's okay. But also realize that that paper form comes in and if it's like something out of the normal, which ours are, and somebody goes, well, what's this? And it's gonna be extra work for them. So that tax horn is probably gonna sit on the side, probably get covered up, and who knows when they're gonna find it again. Right? So, you know, your mileage may vary compared to everybody else's. It's just the nature of dealing with this paper tiger.
And then the good news is and I've I've gone over this this week. I was working with one of the listeners of Roger's show. They received a threat of a frivolous filing penalty. So they're wanting them to correct their their return. So,
[01:22:46] Unknown:
I got that lately. It's been a number of years since they've dragged that out on anybody if I'm if I that I know. No. No. We Anyway. Yeah. We we had somebody,
[01:22:55] Unknown:
part kind of part of this group that, they got hit with a frivolous filing penalty, actually assessed them, a frivolous filing penalty. And so we kind of put our heads together and I told them where they could get some resources and I do give them credit. Now they did mess up their tax forms, they didn't do them right and I don't know if they just kind of jumped the gun trying to get a refund, I don't know. But they did get hit with a frivolous filing penalty, and I have to give them credit because they took one of the documents, from SEDM. That's the sovereign education defense Ministry, I think it is Ministry.
[01:23:39] Unknown:
Yes. .Org.
[01:23:41] Unknown:
Sedm.org. They bought a response letter to to a frivolous filing penalty, and they modified it had to because it doesn't quite fit our our wording and you know what we talk about our status as a national. And so they did reword it and basically the IRS said, Oops, we're sorry. Yeah, you're right. We're not giving you a penalty. And they amended their tax returns and got their refunds and went about their day. So, you know, the main thing is as a as a non resident alien, they really don't have the authority to be assessing you fines and penalties like that. And so I'm working on a memorandum and it's one that Roger and I talked about doing for quite some time.
Frankly now with with AI, if you know what you're looking for, you gotta keep a close eye on AI because it'll make stuff up. An example of that is I for fun, I thought, well, I wonder if AI can write an opposition to a motion for summary judgment. So I gave it the scenario, and it pumped out a a motion or an opposition to a motion for summary judgment, everything looked really good except for one thing. It missed two crucial things. You've got to support it with an affidavit and you've got to support it with documentation Because an affidavit without documentation is just hearsay.
So I said, well what about the affidavit and what about the supporting documents? And it comes back, oh, I'm so sorry. You're correct. That's important. And then it spit out what it should have been. But if you didn't know that, if you didn't know civil procedures, if you didn't have experience as a paralegal, you wouldn't know that. You just take it at face value. Uh-huh. And you can't you just can't do that. So Yep. Anyway, now I tell it to do stuff and I go, don't make up stuff. Don't make, don't hallucinate. Stop lying. Well, kinda like that. And I say, everything, every legal theory that you provide, must be supported in law and provide that law.
Now you get a whole different response when you start doing it that way. You've got to get real kind of specific on how you want it to operate and what kind of data you want it to pull from.
[01:26:22] Unknown:
So Oh, anyway, I wish would you, Mark, if you get a chance when you're doing one of these things, would you flip over and try Enoch Adams? Okay. Now it's not it's not large learned on law stuff, but it's got law stuff in there. They ask it one day just on a whim like we're talking right now and ran something through. It was amazing what it answered. Now Enoch, Mike Adams still, is probably the premier AI in the world on alternative health, which is a big subject around here. So, I throw that out there. Brighteon.ai.
I've Right.
[01:27:01] Unknown:
Yeah. I've been on there, but I haven't used it really for for law that much.
[01:27:10] Unknown:
Oh, and you said that's Enoch?
[01:27:13] Unknown:
Well, that that's what they call it, but that's not the website. The website is Bryteon, bright,likebright,theneo,nasinnancy,easinedward,0asinoscar,nasinnancy,.com. Okay. And that'll take you to what is called Enoch. But I really like it for health questions.
[01:27:37] Unknown:
Well, let me tell you what else. He he's got the point looking ahead where you if you're you can download Enoch and have it on your desktop. So even if they knock out the web or something, you'll still have operation to it. So he he said peep 10,000 people he said 10,000 people have done that already the other day. Go ahead, Mark. Sorry. But be careful when you download it because it's gotta have access to information.
[01:28:03] Unknown:
Just because you download Enoch doesn't necessary unless it comes with the I think I think it comes with the reference material.
[01:28:12] Unknown:
It does. It's my understanding.
[01:28:14] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Cool. Yeah. Cool. So But I have to play around with it for for health questions, and it is really good.
[01:28:23] Unknown:
It's the one I'd I'd always go to if not no other reason than Mike Adams set it up. You know, there's some honesty in there.
[01:28:32] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:28:33] Unknown:
Now, John, old buddy, new buddy, what else can we help you with?
[01:28:39] Unknown:
I think that's good for now. I appreciate it. I just I think it's, this is, the little brother will tell the big brother if you're not doing things right, and then big brother will get more involved in collecting the facts.
[01:28:58] Unknown:
And for you, should you decide to go forward with this, it's totally your decision. K? Because it's your freedom. If I'm not gonna force people because then if you force people, they don't do the necessary things it is to get free, which is study and learn the information. I mean, really. So, but you can always find answers here. As you can tell from your other, I guess, listens, we're a pretty, pretty straight ahead good group. It's a brain trust, I call it, and people bring these problems here. And, we get different perspectives and different solutions. So, welcome to the family, I maybe should say ahead of time.
[01:29:39] Unknown:
Very much. Thank you. Yeah. I down Yes. I download a bunch of, your shows and then listen to them at work. Okay. So I'm trying trying to catch up.
[01:29:51] Unknown:
Okay, man. Well, listen. There's don't don't don't whip yourself too bad. It's a long process. I've been in it over thirty years, and occasionally, I still learn new things. K? So it's a process. The event was when we crossed paths with you, and the pro the rest of it's a process. Don't be too harsh on yourself. And I'll tell you one real good way to learn the material is to teach others. You'll learn real quick what you don't understand. Go back, learn it, understand it, and go find somebody else.
[01:30:25] Unknown:
K. Okay. Alright. Great, man. So one last question, I guess, if you don't mind.
[01:30:32] Unknown:
No. We're not.
[01:30:35] Unknown:
So my wife is about ready to start working again in a professional career.
[01:30:42] Unknown:
Alright.
[01:30:42] Unknown:
And we talked about filing married and single, and as long as she doesn't make money.
[01:30:52] Unknown:
But she is gonna make more money. So Okay. Well, she'll be filing make at least Have her file have her file single, and you'll be eligible. Single. It's separate. Married Separate. Excuse me. Yep. There's a difference. Go ahead. And she's gonna pay a little bit more in tax. That's the enticement they get you in because when they get you in as filing together, then both of you are enslaved in that shit. So Yep. Like, two I'm sorry. Go ahead. No. No. No. Mark. Go.
[01:31:22] Unknown:
I was gonna say here's another thing you don't have to worry about. Years ago, they passed a law against or or, in the IRS, they passed a law, what was called the innocent spouse because they had a lot of people getting a divorce. The wife didn't know that the husband was cheating on their taxes. They can't get the the husband who is, like, unemployed or whatever. And so they're not able to get money out of them, so they went to the spouse who had nothing to do with it. Oh. And they paid they paid their taxes. So they passed a law called the innocent spouse. So if you have a spouse who is a US citizen and you're a national, just let them know. Say, hey. It's okay.
There's an actual law called the innocent spouse. So you're protected no matter what I do with with the IRS.
[01:32:19] Unknown:
Thank you, man. I've never heard that.
[01:32:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Then the other thing too is I strongly recommend before you go down this path, look at your property and put it in a irrevocable trust. Mhmm. That's a good idea. Crucial. That's a safeguard. No matter what you're doing out there, put your car in your own separate trust, not part of your personal property. Not don't you you wanna have multiple trusts. Anything that you have operating out in the public like automobiles, motorcycles, boats, ATVs, anything that you could be using out there and have an accident and could get sued for having that accident, you don't want your home and personal property sitting in that same trust in words vulnerable. So
[01:33:17] Unknown:
Very true. So go through your yellow cab illustration, Mark.
[01:33:22] Unknown:
Well, years ago, I worked for a a personal injury law firm in Las Vegas and we had a case come in it was part of the Yellow Cab and so my attorney was going around going okay everybody this case is capped at $300,000 I'm like $300,000 why is that? And they said, oh, the yellow cab company has every cab in its own unique trust, and that trust only has $300,000 of insurance. And that's that's it. You're and and you can't go after the the cab company because that car is sitting in a trust. So it protect protected the company and of course the yellow cabs they rent out. So if they go up to $300,000 that's all you can get out of the insurance on that cab, the next person you would turn to would be the driver of the taxi and guess what? They don't have any money. They're not going to go act with them. So it's understood we want to watch our cost because the max we can get is $300,000 Same thing here.
You put your car in a separate trust make sure you have insurance on it then you know you're separate from your household property. But you also need the house under a trust too. You as an individual don't wanna be holding property that could be attached. And that doesn't matter you know that matters with the IRS, it matters with the driving, all that stuff. You just want to put yourself in a position that you're collection proof and so in the worst case scenario if you end up having to go to court and you lose, there's nothing for them to take. To grab.
Yeah. So now you're back in the driver's seat. You could, you know, if you're truly at fault and want to do their honorable thing and try to you know compensate them financially with trying to you know fix whatever harm you caused but if they're being unreasonable then you could literally just go file bankruptcy and be done with the whole thing. So but it puts you in the driver's seat.
[01:35:42] Unknown:
Mark, was that your cash in the collection place? Censor.
[01:35:46] Unknown:
Yeah. What about your cash? What about cash accounts?
[01:35:50] Unknown:
Well, if you if you have a bank account, cash Yep. If it's on your body at home, no. They they can't touch it. They usually go after third parties who owe you money like an employer. They can garnish your check. They can go to a bank and hit them with a garnishment notice they'll freeze your account for ten days so if any of that money is exempted from garnishment you have a right to respond to the court and let them know hey this isn't all my money this you know somebody else has got money involved here and so and I've helped people with that in the past where their mother and them were had joint money in account and they because their social security number was on that account they were just a add on to their mother's account they froze it. Now thankfully you know we were aware of it and people don't listen to me like you get a lawsuit, you're on a joint account with somebody, get your name off of it.
You know you're not moving money but you're just getting your name off of it. They didn't listen to me. Oh that's not gonna happen. We're not worried about that happening. And then they go, oh, guess what? It happened. Well, yeah. This is my this is my area of expertise is is asset protection and post judgment collection process. I know what's coming down the pipe, but people are just so rebellious, so hard headed. They think they got it all figured out and won't listen to reason. And because it's gonna be a little bit inconvenient to go do the bank and get their name off an account. They just let it slide, and then they cry when that account gets frozen.
[01:37:43] Unknown:
So I hope that hope that helps. So do you put the checking account or the savings account in a trust?
[01:37:50] Unknown:
You can. Absolutely.
[01:37:52] Unknown:
Okay. That's the question. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome.
[01:37:55] Unknown:
But but now you can back to Or you can better yet convert it into metals and and come out way ahead depending on your situation. Go ahead, Mark. Let me ask you a question. When a when a potential client came into your former employer there, the the, personal injury guy, isn't the first thing they do is take and start running Social Security numbers and see if people have assets?
[01:38:21] Unknown:
Well, they're more interested in insurance. They're more interested in insurance. Okay. So
[01:38:28] Unknown:
Yeah. The insurance companies and them will dance real good.
[01:38:32] Unknown:
Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So the in that instance, now I do know, a person woah. Where did where did you go? We lose you? You do know a person? Not at all. I've got something playing in the background. For some reason, I just
[01:38:52] Unknown:
I don't hear anything. There. Call and you see my end secret messages.
[01:38:57] Unknown:
Okay. I'm not sending a secret message. We do have a question in the chat, though, and We do. We're gonna address it. Let's before the end of the show.
[01:39:09] Unknown:
Okay. Go ahead and talk to you once yourself because I'm Okay. Well, let's address it right now. You have some video that decided to start playing on its own. Oh, one of the Yeah. YouTube does that.
[01:39:19] Unknown:
Just just look across your your tabs at the top of your browser. The one that's got the little speaker on it is the one that's playing audio. The offense I know, but I've got about 12,
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browsers open. So Okay. Okay. It stopped. Well, Jeff I guess it finished.
[01:39:35] Unknown:
He's found it. Yeah. So Jeff in the chat at 11:19 and just after the show started sorry. It's taking us over an hour to get an answer to your question. He says, I have a question. I have a family member that sent their affidavit and cover letter in about a month and a half ago and now wants to renew an existing passport to accompany their national status, which forms they use.
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DS83.
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DS82.
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82, that one. Yeah. DS11
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is what you use if you have a passport that is ex that has been expired over ten years or if it's your first passport application. Yes. The DSC two is the renewal.
[01:40:18] Unknown:
Or if you lost a passport, you've got to fill out a lost or stolen form, and then they make you go back and do a DS11. Right. Otherwise, the key is that you'll notice the warning box statement. You can attach documentation, comma, including affidavits. That is in both versions, the 11 and the 82. So here's what's going on. It's the feudal system, and you can volunteer out at any time. That's why they've got it in the DS 82. So just make sure you include the affidavit with the renewal. You don't have to go you sign it in front of anybody, and you can do the whole thing yourself. There's instructions there on the form at the top.
K? So Yep. That gets you, Jeff, I hope. Okay. Yes, sir.
[01:41:18] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Bob. Hey, Mark. I heard you saying something about, married filing separately. I was looking through national status, the other day yesterday, I think. And one of the entries was apparently written by our friend John in Georgia concerning keeping track of the IRS having tax form having tax data to present to banks, etcetera, etcetera. And it appeared that what he had done was revert back, essentially revoking his revocation of election, if you will Yeah. And going back to just pulling it out every year. Is that if if one were to do that now that's what I understood from reading through multiple different replies there in that forum.
If if you were to do that, by that, I mean, simply do it every year. Don't file a revocation of election. It appeared, if I understood correctly, that you could simply notice the IRS with your affidavit, etcetera, etcetera, and telling them what was happening. And at that point, even if your employer was taking your taxes out, you could get it back every year. It just made it more difficult, but it did leave a paper trail that the bank could look at or do whatever. Am I getting that right?
[01:42:58] Unknown:
I don't know. That was kind of a long convoluted statement, so I'm not quite sure what you're what you're referring. What I'm asking is
[01:43:09] Unknown:
instead of doing the ROE, It appears that he had backed up to the to a backup position of simply taking it back pulling it back from the IRS every year.
[01:43:24] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:43:25] Unknown:
People could do return to him. Another And the point was 40 n r do a ten forty n r every year.
[01:43:32] Unknown:
Yeah. You can do that.
[01:43:34] Unknown:
Okay. Now if that's to happen if that's to happen, do you have to be married filing separately? Or at that point, when you don't have the ROE involved, does that even matter?
[01:43:47] Unknown:
It doesn't matter. Married filing separately, even if both of you are nationals and you're trying to get a refund, nationals cannot file there's no such thing as a joint ten forty NR. It's strictly individual. Yeah. So if you're married, there's a box on there that you'll select married filing separately.
[01:44:12] Unknown:
Right. But I guess my particular question is, do you have to be married filing separately to get yours back? No. My wife has no interest.
[01:44:25] Unknown:
Okay. But but you're you're recorded as being married. Right. I mean, IRS knows that you're married.
[01:44:31] Unknown:
We've been married filing jointly for decades. Yes. That's fine. So so now,
[01:44:37] Unknown:
if you're a national and you need to file a ten forty, you will you will sign off at it on it. Excuse me. You will select that you're married filing separately. Now she may not have a filing requirement, but if you do and you're filing a ten forty NR, then you're gonna sign off on it as being married filing separately.
[01:45:01] Unknown:
Okay. And when you when you get that refund, Bob, that goes in your boat fund.
[01:45:09] Unknown:
Yeah. You got a comment? And you could also tell her, that all those years you were filing jointly, that she was liable even though she didn't have any any in any income or other things. She was liable. They could have gone after her. You were involving her in the slavery deal too. So I don't know if that'll make any difference to her or not, but that was what was happening. William, was that you?
[01:45:33] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a comment. Well, two things. The marriage license wouldn't apply to you as a national anymore. So you really couldn't be married in the eyes of the state. And then the the other thing is, I'm wondering, Mark might know, because he's probably seen Irish transcripts. There's there's line one k on the ten forty n r, and that's your nontaxable income. And I'm wondering if that gets reported to your IRS transcript where a bank could see it.
[01:46:08] Unknown:
Wow. If you'll give me a second, I'll look one up. Because that's what we were using to fight the Oklahoma Tax Commission was a transcript. But, while I'm doing that, William, glad you're on the line. You were either you or somebody was referencing something that you had found about how the states are political subdivisions, and they're not, like, independent.
[01:46:34] Unknown:
Do you recall that? Yeah. There well, there's two things. There was, the Diet v Turner case. Okay. And that expose in there that he he basically that judge I forget the judge's name. But he said that the states were more or less administrative subdivisions of the federal government.
[01:46:56] Unknown:
Can can you email me that information?
[01:46:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I can email you. Case I was telling you about, Mark. That's, our stuff all over it.
[01:47:05] Unknown:
Okay. And if you could look at it, Mark, because I don't have, like, a law library access or, like, Lexus Nexus. I don't know if you could pull up. William,
[01:47:14] Unknown:
don't you live in a county? I do. Yeah. How close is the county seat from you?
[01:47:20] Unknown:
It's not terribly far. I could go over there. Well, almost every
[01:47:23] Unknown:
almost every county court has a law library.
[01:47:29] Unknown:
Okay. So Can you can you could you see, like, Utah Supreme Court cases in our local library?
[01:47:38] Unknown:
Well, that's a good question. It depends. It depends on what depends on what reporter that that case is in. So that if I remember right, that was a state supreme court, and, I do remember seeing that. So
[01:47:52] Unknown:
When they've decided whether they wanted to put it in Fed Supp or not and publish it. Yeah.
[01:48:00] Unknown:
And it says in there like it I was telling Roger the other day, there's a whole section where the font kinda changes and he talks about they talk about the Libra codes and then they bring up Waco and, all this kind of stuff, which was, you know, post 1968. So I feel like that document had been tampered with, and I would like to see '68. Waco was in '92
[01:48:25] Unknown:
or '3.
[01:48:26] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. So whatever document I was looking at from that case had had some stuff added into it by somebody else at some point. So I just I would like to see what was actually on file, in the court record. K. The other the other case where I kinda found that, through reconstruction was in Georgia v Stanton. And, if you just Google Georgia v Stanton, that was in 1867. And they were trying to Georgia was trying to prevent, the federal government from instituting the Reconstruction Acts, because it would basically overthrow the state government. And the Supreme Court agreed that if the Reconstruction Acts were were to be enacted, they would effectively overthrow the state government and put a federal government in its place.
And that's what happened.
[01:49:24] Unknown:
So Exactly what happened.
[01:49:26] Unknown:
The Supreme Court made that statement, but they they wouldn't rule on it because they said it was a political question. And Congress, at the time, was threatening the judicial branch because they had already overridden the presidential vetoes from Andrew Johnson multiple times with Mhmm. What I would consider less than a quorum of states there, because they didn't have any of anybody from the Southern states, and they still overrode a veto. But that was somewhat unconstitutional there, or could be argued. So so they just went rogue. Congress just went rogue as a tyrant, and and overthrew the executive branch. And then to overthrow the legislative branch, they made threats against them. They threatened threatened to legislate the Supreme Court out of existence.
And then they also one of one that they actually did start legislation on, I mentioned to Roger the other day, was if they were gonna rule on a constitutional issue, they would have to have three quarters, not just a majority of justices, but three quarters of justices Right. Approve that, or be in be in agreement, on a constitutional issue. And that did make it, I think, through the house, but not through the senate. So the supreme court just backed down and said, you know, we're just not if it's political and it comes out of the legislative branch, we're not gonna rule on it because we don't wanna Remember,
[01:50:54] Unknown:
heard of those. Came Daryl came on here, one day years ago, and he said, the civil war is misnamed. He said it was really the war to bring in the civil law.
[01:51:09] Unknown:
Right.
[01:51:12] Unknown:
Isn't that true?
[01:51:13] Unknown:
That Sins of the State, that book, he talks about how congress went tyrannical. And, that other that other it was a old was it from 1492? We mentioned it. There was a video on it. What was that, book, Roger? It was a, it was a French book where they talked about,
[01:51:36] Unknown:
being governed by tyrants. The the law by Frederic Bastille? No. No. If you're new It wasn't that one? Okay. Sins of the stain. If you're new. Sins of the stain. The other one?
[01:51:50] Unknown:
It was that it was there's, gosh. I'm trying to remember it now. It was The thumb the hundreds thing that Samuel keeps come No. No. Not that one. It was, it was on BitChute.
[01:52:05] Unknown:
Oh, oh, oh, +1 577.
[01:52:08] Unknown:
Yeah. +1 577.
[01:52:10] Unknown:
Okay. You anybody wants to do this, they used to be there. I'm assuming it still is. Go to there. Okay. You put in quotations 1577 and a space and then more quotations and put voluntary servitude. There's a book written 1577 on this.
[01:52:30] Unknown:
That book is available on Amazon for, like, $3. But Oh my god. In the first yeah. In the first few, portions of it, he says, you know, I'm trying to remember who he was quoting, but basically that, you know, you could have a king or you could have 500 kings, and that somehow or another 500 kings was okay, but one king wasn't. And they could see no appropriation where if you had 500 kings, how that could be any better than having one king. And, I got into an argument, I don't wanna call it argument, discussion with a guy on he's one of my clients on Facebook from years ago, and and he said, I said, you know, congress is a tyrant. Congress is a is your king. You're a subject of congress. You know, kings have subjects.
And, and he said, how can congress be a tyrant? It's 500 elected people. And I said, number one, tyrants can be elected. Hitler was elected. Mussolini was elected. I mean, I could go on and on. I said, but, what's the difference in having 500 tyrants or one tyrant? They're all, you know, they're still a tyrant. They're still a king even if there's 500 of them.
[01:53:45] Unknown:
So, we just kinda went back and forth on that a little bit, but that's that's my view on it. Well, it it's interesting. I never did listen to the whole thing. I we I think do we have that posted, Paul? You probably do already because I know we've discussed it previously.
[01:54:00] Unknown:
Do we have what posted?
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Fifteen seventy seven that book that audio book on voluntary servitude.
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Politics of obedience?
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That's it. That that's it.
[01:54:13] Unknown:
This force on the monetary servitude.
[01:54:16] Unknown:
Let me throw another angle in here. On John Locke wrote a book called Two Tales of Government, I think. And one of them was government by contract. And you see, that's what they've been able to implement through all this fraud that we've uncovered. They've got us into a system proposed by John Locke. There's no fraud. He didn't propose any fraud in it. Sure. They wove it right in there, but but this these are these old ideas that have been around.
[01:54:51] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm sorry to get us, derailed here. I just, It's okay. We'll we'll get you through the four. The question on the on the income tax transcript. But
[01:55:02] Unknown:
Well, well, you can see William has been William is a deep digger, and he he he really likes to dig deep and do all this deep research, and you see the kind of things he's finding. And, it's fabulous, William. Good on you. Roger.
[01:55:18] Unknown:
This is this is the final this is the final key that we're looking for is how can I prove by law that the states as we know them are just political subdivisions of the federal government? And if you can prove that,
[01:55:34] Unknown:
then none of these state courts have any jurisdiction over you unless you commit some kind of like, a violent crime or It would unless there's damage party. Common law crime. Yeah. Well, they yeah. Because there's where the common law is. It's, Samuel that mentioned earlier, Erie Railroad. Well, that was two states, and whose common law is gonna prevail? Okay? Well, if you're in your state, there's common law underneath, and it shows you that the state still exists as it did originally. It's just been veneered over. And what we're doing is ripping back the veneer and they some of you know, here's the phrase that comes in when you start sending out these notices and stuff, Mark, is no they either knew or should have known. They're in an elected position. That entity is still there. They should know it's there, and they should know if properly applied for that you can have access to it. And they should recognize it.
[01:56:30] Unknown:
And I just point them to that eight USC, definition of state, capital S state. Yep. Is is District Of Columbia. It doesn't say the several states. Yep.
[01:56:42] Unknown:
Nope. Good deal, William. Thanks for Roger. All you're doing. Yes, sir. Bob. Yes, sir.
[01:56:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I had occasion to visit with a lawyer a couple days ago and some business related, nothing to do with legal stuff. He he was a landowner, and we were gonna be harvesting on his property for another individual. And he was driving me around looking at Something came up, and I was trying to remember those two phrases that you throw out. I don't mean that badly. You know, do you that you put forward, malaprohibita and malen say, I couldn't come up with them. I I just couldn't come up with it for the for my life. But, basically, what Mark is saying is, if I'm not mistaken, the the state of would have jurisdiction over.
Well, at any rate, the Mala per prohibitive would be administrative law, statutes, regulation. Yeah. You can't spit on the sidewalk. Gotta wear a mask, whereas Mala Correct. And say would be a a crime in and of itself, like murder or battery or, you know, anything of, the where there's an injured party. Is that valid?
[01:57:51] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:57:52] Unknown:
To my knowledge. Yeah. Okay. Well, I couldn't come up with those words. I was wanting to impress him with my knowledge.
[01:57:58] Unknown:
I was just I was just My old friend Ron Brown is the one that used to hammer on those. For the new people in the audience, that's mala n say, a crime within itself or malaprohibita, a man made don't spit on the sidewalk crime. So there we go. It's the end of the week. Good show today. I wanna thank Tom and John and all the new folks, and Annie's being such a good student, and you're soaking all this stuff up like a sponge. And I just really appreciate and love each and every one of you, and we'll be back, of course, on Monday, good lord willing. And, you guys have a very, very good, albeit abbreviated weekend.
And, keep studying. Don't forget. Well, here's Jefferson. Those who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. Absolutely totally dead on. See you soon. Hope. Ciao.
[01:59:01] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger. And thank you, Mark, and everybody. And,
[01:59:07] Unknown:
bless you parents, Mark. I hope they're doing okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Yeah. There's John, thank you. Not that was John, I think, our new guy. Thank you for stepping forward. Nice to meet you. You're among good company here.
[01:59:23] Unknown:
So Is Annie Is that what
[01:59:25] Unknown:
I bet you she is. Annie, are you there? Am.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
I am.
[01:59:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I was a bit distracted when you were asking Roger about the sovereign citizen and, that whole definition. And Roger was talking when he was giving his answer, I had something else going on, and I was listening, but I wasn't listening very well. I I I don't remember if he brought this part forward, but the fact is that the two words are an oxymoron. They're they're antithetical to each other. A sovereign has no rule over them. They are whoever in the situation. The, arch ruler, they're at the top. And a citizen owes allegiance.
You can't have both. It's an it's an oxymoron. That statement the the the phrase is self contradictory, if you will. Does that make sense?
[02:00:19] Unknown:
It does mean that. It it's like driving on a parkway and parking in a driveway.
[02:00:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Or something like that.
[02:00:27] Unknown:
That's good. Annie, Bob's just south of you down there in Okeechobee, by the way.
[02:00:33] Unknown:
So Oh, awesome.
[02:00:36] Unknown:
Yep. Where are you at? Anyway, we'll
[02:00:38] Unknown:
I'm in Jacksonville. Jack Jayville.
[02:00:40] Unknown:
Oh, oh, oh, that's right. That's right. I remember that now. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Up around Larry and Brian and that group and stuff. And how's your husband doing with all this, Annie?
[02:00:52] Unknown:
You know, he he's just expecting me to, to get it done.
[02:00:59] Unknown:
Do the due diligence and make some decisions. Boy. Okay. And to to be honest with you That's called delegating. Yeah. Yes. It is. Yes.
[02:01:09] Unknown:
Yeah. My personality is much more detail oriented than his is. Yes. And and therefore, you know, and I have more flexibility in my schedule than she does. Uh-huh. And so I'm the one that can spend hours listening to videos and taking notes and trying to put the docs together. Well, I So I appreciate interested in joining me with, you know, with pursuing the knowledge, when he retires this next year.
[02:01:40] Unknown:
Oh, okay. So he's close to retirement. Good on him. Well, we're glad to have both of you, and you're a very good student. I can tell. And you're always there, and I bet you're just diligently taking notes and all that. Like, another one well, the most recent one is Julie. Julie just attacked this stuff from the first minute. So, we're right here. We're glad to have you. I love your participation and your questions. Okay? So you let us know how we can help you. Okay?
[02:02:11] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you. Hey, Roger. You have You're so welcome. Roger, do you have her email?
[02:02:15] Unknown:
If possible, can I have that copy? I'd I'd I do not have her email, but we're after hours. She'd be probably be glad to give it to you if you can write it down.
[02:02:25] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm happy to give It it might be well, I can catch it in the replay at any rate. I'm traveling at the moment. So Okay. Okay.
[02:02:34] Unknown:
Well, Annie, why don't I I probably should have your email. So why don't you just send it to me? I'll forward it to Bob. You have my email? Radio ranch. Dash. Okay. Radioranch,nospace,@mail,notgmail,mail,simplymail.com. And just say Annie in, you know, Annie in the subject line. I'll know what it is. Great. Thank you very much. Uh-huh. You're very welcome. I'll just shoot it to Bob, anybody else that needs it? Are are you hooked up with, like, Merica and all the whole resources stuff? Yeah. In Doc's home. I am. Alright. Alright. Alright. We just want you to know you got a support in that here. Okay. Anybody else has something for me?
Otherwise, it's a hell of a college football day today. Yes.
[02:03:27] Unknown:
Yes. It is. This this is Larry. Hey, Larry. Hey. Wasn't there a caller earlier from Idaho? Yes. John. Yes. I'm on. Yeah. So I, I found some some information that he could possibly use in the future when once he gets a handle on the whole, you know, tax thing. And, this is right out of the instructions, and I always encourage people to use whatever's at your disposal, including, you know, laws, codes, and even the instructions. And he could take these instructions and make a copy of them and highlight these sections, to show the Idaho taxing agency.
And the first one, see, they got two forms. If if if you're filling out like a a resident form, if that would be form 40 and if you're doing a non resident form, that would be form 43. And right in the instructions of form 43, it says non resident alien. Nonresident aliens for federal purposes are nonresidents for Idaho income tax purposes. And then it says this in the instructions of form 43. It says, your residency status and income determine if you need to file an Idaho return. See the residency and income sections below. However, in general, it's and then this is the first bullet point. Every Idaho resident who must file a federal income tax return.
Well, he can highlight that and say, well, I'm not required to file a federal income tax return. Therefore, I'm not required to file an Idaho state income tax return. And then right below that, it says this, to to the to file in Idaho return, first complete your federal return. You need the federal return information to complete your Idaho return. Your Idaho filing status must be the same as your federal filing status. So, obviously, if you're not required to file a federal return, you can't even, you know, you can't even meet the, requirements of what the these instructions are saying. So, anyway, I yield.
[02:06:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Don't drown the poor man here. He's kinda new. Okay. John, you can always come back and get these answers. Okay?
[02:06:10] Unknown:
But It's alright. I followed most of that. If we can send that to the archives, though, so I can look at it, that'd be great. It's in it's in the archives now.
[02:06:20] Unknown:
Paul, you wanna tell me how to tap into all that?
[02:06:23] Unknown:
I've been listening for a while. Okay. But, yes, there is a lot to learn and get educated up on.
[02:06:33] Unknown:
Just takes time. Mark, you You're not gonna have them overnight. Just takes time. Take it slowly, one bite at a time.
[02:06:41] Unknown:
Mark, you've been doing this, if I heard correctly, in the last, episodes I've been listening to, like, about twenty years. Just kinda wanted that on here so my wife can hear it.
[02:06:56] Unknown:
Mark, you still there? We may have had to skip that. I I can verify. I'm sorry. I have my microphone on mute.
[02:07:05] Unknown:
I have my microphone on mute. Yeah. I've I've been you know, what was it, November 1999. It was when I first got introduced to Dan Meder and his group that met here in Oklahoma City. And that's where I started. Well, my first job as a paralegal was with Dan Meder and we were doing IRS tax triage and we could hold them off but we never knew how to really make them go away. And Dan brilliant had a double degree in English. Okay. Two different degrees in English. Just amazing, scholar, absolute scholar. And and this is really before we had the level of the internet that we have now you know so anyway Dan before he died in 2003 he had written some some I guess you'd call them a memorandum and he was referring to the National but we didn't know how to declare that officially and that's where Rogers material comes in and it perfectly dovetails with the findings of Dan.
And it just, you know, I walked away from the Patriot community because they, you know, they were just so full of baloney. And I when I was brand new I parroted the same thing about Admiralty Law and the fringe around the gold flag. I heard people that I trusted that they they were saying that and I thought well they're smarter than me. They've been in this longer than me. They must know. No they didn't know. You know they didn't know and they meant they meant well but they were misguided. Unfortunately those those same patriot mythologies per you know continue.
They just get repeated and repeated over and over. A lot of that is by disinformation by government agents who infiltrate every one of these groups. And so they they are able to target people. You know, they get them to put silly stuff on their letters that they mail off. You know, they'll put brackets around their ZIP code or, say, I'm here or near this ZIP code. And, you know now that's all being tracked. Every piece of mail that goes through the US post office is scanned. It's optically scanned and converted and stored. They know every person that you've ever mailed through the post office and they know every person that's mailed to you.
They're recording all that information. So when you start doing things that are out of the normal that are known to be quote patriot methods, you're just paying a target on your back. It's just not necessary. And I wish you were something
[02:10:05] Unknown:
doing something funny. Yeah. The optics that you're talking about, scanning all those packages, I know the guy down here whose brother owns that company. Wow. K? He made $70,000,000 last year.
[02:10:21] Unknown:
Oh my gosh.
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Every time there's a post office renewal or update or a new one or whatever, he does all of that all over the whole country. Yeah. I guess maybe abroad, but he's quite wealthy, obviously.
[02:10:34] Unknown:
I bet. I bet. That's just like we're listening to, Infowars, and they're talking about this pipe bomber. Well, they are are you just there's no privacy left. And they they cannot they have nine I think, what's that guy's name? The former FBI whistleblower, Kyle Sarafin. Sarafin. Sarafin. Sarafin. Kyle Sarafin was saying they've got, like, a 97%, accuracy of how you walk. And when they take how you walk, they call it a gait. You have a certain gait. Well, the pipe bomber had a limp. And then they start comparing that gait to other people. And and then they narrow down, well, where were you? If they know that you're in California, well, obviously, you can't be the pipe bomber in in DC. Right?
And they pretty much got it narrowed down to to some lady that was somehow connected to the government or worked in the government, but they don't you know, they won't pursue it further. But I'm I I say all that to say, you know, you just don't have privacy, period. And, you know, if they're identifying you right now, if they've got they've got cameras that that can gas gather your, you know, the way you walk. And I'm sure every time you step into an airport, all of that's being captured. You're walking through TSA. That's all being captured. Whether you take a you know, whether you stand there and let them take a picture of you or not, they got it all.
The the level of of biometric measuring and tagging people is astounding, and you just don't have any
[02:12:21] Unknown:
any privacy. Well, what you want what you what you want is not be subject to anything they can use that against you for. Right. And that's us. So So okay. Gate me. And that's probably done by AI too. You know?
[02:12:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, that's why that's why when I found Roger's information, I, you know, I kinda step back into the arena because he's right about it. He backs Roger's got the receipts. You know? A lot of these people, when you start pressing them, well, you know, how did you come up with that? Well, they really can't answer that question. Where is that in the law? They can't really answer that question. Roger's got the receipts. And so I'm very comfortable with his information and following this path because it just all clicks. It clicks in the right way.
And it's not based upon Amelty law and the gold fringe flag
[02:13:20] Unknown:
and all that other stuff. I I have to totally attribute John Benson for his whole lifetime research and me being a student he is and getting all the correct foundational answers that well, other people can't answer because they don't know it. Yeah. Like, what's the definition of person? That kind of stuff. John, I want to tell you a story. Right after the book was released, this goes back to, who Mark was talking about, his mentor. And, his mentor. And, I got two emails in the same day. It was almost exactly two weeks after the book was finally released. We'd pre promoted it a lot because it was originally just an 80 page manuscript that I had written back right after I was in Florida, so probably early part of this century, 02/2005.
And, and and when I finally got a shot on the air, I was gonna send it out and just let anybody download it. And, move Doomahichi over there, Jeff Bennett, well, said, why don't we make a book out of it and and make some money? And so, I said, okay. Well, it took about eight months for John and Glenn to edit that into what it became. Released around December 2011 or something. So two weeks later, I get two emails the same day. One of them is from a guy named Jim Prentice who, like Mark, worked with, Dan Meador. He was he was actually Dan's one of, if not the, law research team leader.
He'd been a homicide detective. He lived in Naples, Florida. And, he, found out when he when he was doing his detective work, he saw the same things I did. There's two sets of law books in the law library. You know? Why aren't they using this one? So, anyway, he read my book. He contacted me. He said, Roger, your book's a masterpiece. Now get this. I've read it 10 times in two weeks, and I got something different out of it every time. Stunning, you know. And so I will
[02:15:43] Unknown:
I'll look into that book and, whoever commented on the Idaho statutes, I just wanna say thank you.
[02:15:50] Unknown:
Yeah. That is Larry in in Jacksonville. Now the other one I got may also you you may wanna tell your wife this. The other one was from a family, I think, in Wisconsin, Minnesota, somewhere up in that area. And they said your book's a masterpiece, same thing. And they said we want you to know it's on the family bookshelf next to the Bible. Now, buddy, that is humbling.
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K?
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So, otherwise, I'm gonna jet off and go, binge on some football. I'm a sooner today, Mark.
[02:16:30] Unknown:
I'm afraid. Hey. Thank you. Me too. And,
[02:16:33] Unknown:
and, I know we'll tweak William a little bit. He's a big tide man. But, anyway, we're getting, we'll see you on Monday, and Mark will see you middle of next week. You certain? And I hope you, have a good weekend, all of you. Well, thank you very much. Can I ask you a really quick question before you all leave? Yes, ma'am. Yes. Of course, Andy. Go ahead.
[02:16:54] Unknown:
Mark Mark, do you do you do, like, personal
[02:16:57] Unknown:
consultations with people?
[02:17:02] Unknown:
Yeah, I can. I'm just not in a position where I can do all your paperwork. You know, so if it's just something verbally and give you guidance, you know, I can kind of do that. But as far as, you know, doing all your paperwork and so on and so forth, I really just I can't do that. I just can't. But
[02:17:26] Unknown:
I mean I mean, like, in in regard to, tax returns and and things like that, you know, compiling compiling all that information and then how to then move forward.
[02:17:38] Unknown:
It's it's all on nationalstatus.com. Okay. The whole process is over on nationalstatus.com. You go across the top and there's a link called the remedy. And if you hold your cursor or click on, I don't remember which way that goes, but it'll drop down a menu and one of them says the internal revenue service. And you click on that and it's got the whole process. All the all the the $10.40 nrs, everything that you need to to use as a guide to fill out your tax forms, including how to do, like, w fours and and, just the different things that you have to file with an employer and so forth.
[02:18:22] Unknown:
Okay. I'll go there. It's really all laid out there for you. Now Yeah. I just haven't gone there's so much information. I just haven't Oh, I I understand. But
[02:18:31] Unknown:
nationalstatus.com, which takes you over to nationalstatus.info, info. Once you get on that go across and if you hold your cursor over the remedy, there's a menu bar across the top of the page. Hold your cursor over the remedy, a drop down menu shows up and you go down to internal revenue service and there it has all the steps that you need to deal with the IRS. And I really would recommend, I mean we've gotten really good feedback on that and I need to talk today because I'm thinking about taking some of these documents I've done research documents and and maybe see about having them uploaded in a certain section because like one of our listeners was having an issue with the threat of a frivolous filing penalty and they kind of this is what I really kind of wanted to talk about today was the administrative process and people, you know, they get a letter from the IRS and, boy, they're so wound up tight to get a response back.
You know, they don't really they don't really think about what they're writing. It's just kind of a knee jerk response. And typically you got thirty days from the date of the letter, not the date that you received it, but from the date on the letter you got thirty days to deliver some type of response. Now in this case it was twelve days after the date of the letter before they even got the letter. So that cuts into their response time you know seriously and there is a step. Unfortunately, it's not automatic but you can contact the IRS and say I need more time to respond to a letter. That's just But And in Georgia There's there's been times when you know I've I've faced some kind of legal dilemma, and I'm I'm like, do I handle it this way? Should I go at it this way? Whatever.
But if I will just let that, Roger calls it noodle on it. You know, if you noodle on it, there's been times I've woken up in the morning with the answer to how to handle a certain situation in a case. So, you know, you wanna think about things and and really be strategic on on how you respond. So, It Yeah. Any anyway, that's that's what I get. I wrote
[02:21:08] Unknown:
Mark, I'm sorry to interrupt. That was my tendency back in those days. You get something from IRS. You wanna respond to it just quick. And a couple of days later, you go, damn. I wish I'd put that in there. So it's through hard to learn lessons like that that I came to the let let the death settle. So your your mind occasionally will give you the answer, and you didn't even ask. Okay? Yes. So Yes. Exactly. That's a don't get anxious about it. You're the boss. Stay within their limits,
[02:21:40] Unknown:
but you're the boss. I I'll shut up. Go ahead, Mark. I can't tell you how many I can't tell you how many times I I thank you, Roger. I can't tell you how many times I've I've woken up in the morning and, a strategy, a proper response and strategy has come to me regarding a a court case. So, anyway, hope that helps. Don't be in a don't be in a hurry to, you know, to reply to a letter. You typically have some stuff. I yield.
[02:22:11] Unknown:
If they send you a letter and, it's and it takes you twelve days to get it, you can go ahead and fire off a knee jerk response. Tell them you just got the letter, tell them how much time you will need to take care of it, and
[02:22:33] Unknown:
notify them that way. And then send a follow-up after that, after you've had time to properly form a response. Been more like that, Paul. Paul, I'm sorry. I I thought the same thing, but I do did a little digging, and there's actually a formal process that you have to go through and basically get approval to, get additional time to respond. And they put it in their computer system so they don't do an automatic, you know, response letter because they didn't get anything from you. So it's it's it's a formal response that you get to do to ask for additional time. I'll I'll write that up and and let Dave and Kaye put it on the website.
[02:23:16] Unknown:
Alright. Yeah. Like, I have I have something. I just got a letter on asking us to pay a penalty and interest on that and because we didn't file until October, and, of course, we also had to pay. We also had to write a check, which we often have to do in order to, pay what's owed. And, you know, I just got their response to me requesting additional payment for interest and penalty on that payment that we just made. And I'm file a 10:40? Yes.
[02:23:54] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:23:55] Unknown:
Wasn't and and this is this this all occurred before the 10:40 n r. It was like it was like a normal ten forty a, like a US citizen files. Correct. This was this all occurred before,
[02:24:10] Unknown:
me actually filling out my paperwork to become a national. Oh, yeah.
[02:24:15] Unknown:
Not much I can do to help you with that.
[02:24:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Anyway, so, you know, I guess we'll just, you know, pay it and then, then look maybe on the backside of of getting the taxes refunded to us.
[02:24:31] Unknown:
Is that what we would do? There's only been one person that claims that they've done that, but I've never seen any evidence of it, and nobody else on here that I know of has been successful in in getting refunds for the previous three tax years.
[02:24:47] Unknown:
So Oh, okay. Yeah. So
[02:24:50] Unknown:
my my this is why I'm asking did you file a ten forty? Because so far I do not know of anybody who you know has shown proven that they've received a refund. In other words, they amended their tax. They previously filed a ten forty a, and then they went back as a national and and amended that tax return with a ten forty n r and got a refund. Nobody that I know has done that except for one person who's been on this show who's claimed to have done that. That's it. So I don't know. I my experience so far is nobody's been able to do that. Okay. Now now I wouldn't let that keep me from trying.
You know, you certainly try, but it's not gonna hurt you. Okay. And you've if you've already paid the tax and everything, now you're just saying, hey, I want that money back because I'm a national. You can certainly try it, but I'm not gonna say you're gonna get your money back.
[02:25:56] Unknown:
How do you how do you get, let how do you get the, withholding returned to you if you are now if you've been paying withholding,
[02:26:06] Unknown:
like, this whole last year You would file a ten forty n r. Okay. So that's how you get the re that returned to you. Okay. Got it. Yeah. As soon as you become a national, the next following tax or this this tax year for 2025 when you file a tax return in 2026 you file a ten forty NR. And we got again there's samples of all that over on the nationalstatus.com website under the remedy go to internal revenue service and they got sample ten forty x's to amend taxes. They got sample ten forty nrs. They've just for almost every situation you've got, they've they've got it on the website.
[02:26:53] Unknown:
Okay. I'll camp out there. Okay. Thank you very much for your for your suggestions.
[02:26:59] Unknown:
My Hey, Mark. Before you go. Yeah. This was Yes, William. I was wondering if you had a chance to pull up that transcript and see if line one k made it on there. Yeah. I did pull it up, but I didn't see a line one k. So let me verify and get along and get back in front of my eyeballs. So this is
[02:27:18] Unknown:
a it's
[02:27:21] Unknown:
a transcript. It's called the record of account and it's got the shows the form number which was a ten forty NR NR which was for 2023. And as I look through this, I don't see a line one k anywhere. What it does show is like different different sources of income. Total wages, it shows zero. Form w-two wages says zero. Taxable interest income, zero. And if I scroll down this, the only dollar amount that it shows is the amount that was withheld and the amount that was refunded.
[02:28:06] Unknown:
I wonder if I wonder if you file like that I filed that schedule NEC. I know you said you didn't feel that was necessary. Right. But I wonder I wonder how the schedule show up on the transcript or do they? Or just the just the n ten forty n r shows up?
[02:28:22] Unknown:
Well, that's what was on here. Yeah. Okay. You said the ten ninety nine NEC?
[02:28:29] Unknown:
No. It's a Schedule NEC.
[02:28:32] Unknown:
Schedule what is that?
[02:28:35] Unknown:
It's not effectively connected income.
[02:28:38] Unknown:
Oh,
[02:28:40] Unknown:
okay. I So so anything that, you know, the $8.77, I guess, would be any income that's connected with the Federal government or a Federal corporation.
[02:28:53] Unknown:
Well, I've got I've got it says connected income says total, EFF connected income. Income per computer, there's both showing zero. There's four. Oh, shoot. There's four words connected on this transcript. Let me pull it back up here. Accidentally crossed out the keywords I was searching for. Tax on income not connected with US trade or business, which is zero. Tax on income not connected with US trade or business, this is per computer. So I guess they're tracking two different things. I guess maybe one is a manual input and the other one's per the computer because they're just they're right on top of each other. There's a lot of these you see where it says like tax on qualified plans f five three two nine and then below that it's the same thing but it says per computer. So they're getting information from different sources whether it's manually inputted or manually being reported or whether it's just what the computer is saying. So those are all lining up. They don't have a disagreement where you got one line that says zero but the computer says no there is.
So anyway, I didn't see anything that that had to do with, you know, not effectively connected.
[02:30:30] Unknown:
Okay. I guess I'll let mine get filed. I don't know if they filed it yet or not. I just sent them. So
[02:30:36] Unknown:
Did you okay. Because once they once they complete your your tax return and you get your refund, you should be able to go back in and get a copy of your transcript from that.
[02:30:49] Unknown:
Right. Which might be zero. That might be zero. I'm not looking for a refund. But Okay. Well I don't know how I could tell when it was if it's been processed or not. I mean, I guess I could
[02:31:01] Unknown:
check the status of my return. Well, you could do that or you just try to go ask for a transcript. If if they haven't processed it, you won't be able to get a transcript. Okay. It won't be available. But once they successfully processed it, then you should be able to go get a a copy of your transcript for that year.
[02:31:21] Unknown:
There was a lady here the other day that she sent her $10.40 n r to get her taxes back for this year, and and they sent it to Ogden, Utah.
[02:31:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Same here. We got one of the individuals that, that listens to Roger's show that I've worked with. And here's the weird thing is last year, they got a full refund. This year, they're sending it to Ogden. So I'm working on some memorandum of laws to kind of shore things up and and see what's going to happen. I really I really think that, I don't know, To me, and I told this person that they should have filed, for for exempt on withholding. And they didn't they didn't want to do that. And now this year, the IRS is holding their money up. Right? Yeah. Right. So remember, the thing is is if you didn't owe a tax last year, which he didn't, and you don't expect to owe a tax this coming year, which he didn't, then you have the right to file exempt.
And, so they they admitted that they kinda should have done that. And so they're planning on doing it this year. So we'll see.
[02:32:39] Unknown:
This is the first year I got a w two where my employer accepted the w eight b n Uh-huh. Halfway halfway through the year, and it really reports weird on a w two. It shows the first half of the year, you know, I had w two reported income. Right. And then it it just has other nonreported income. So it it kinda shows up strange. But I'm assuming if you use that form, the employer can still take the, you know, just take the deduction for payroll. It just doesn't get reported on your social.
[02:33:13] Unknown:
I don't know. I yeah. For the w eight b e n, you're you're I think you're correct. I mean, nothing goes to the government if you do a w eight b e n. But if you do an exempt w four, then they're still gonna withhold for, like, Social Security and and Right. Medicare, Medicaid, all that stuff.
[02:33:34] Unknown:
Yeah. And they're still like a But they're still gonna report that income, and I think that's where we're getting in into a problem as they go I agree. I agree with you on that. I have a friend all this reported income in in those taxes?
[02:33:48] Unknown:
Right. Right. Well, I have a friend I have a friend that he only works with ten ninety nine's and whenever he gets a ten ninety nine he files a correction on it and he sends it to the IRS saying this is an error you know, I didn't have income from within The United States, yada yada yada. Shouldn't he sent me a sample? I probably shouldn't have said Yeah. You sent me that. My Okay. My concern was with my client
[02:34:18] Unknown:
that $10.99 me if I just didn't want their deductions to get disallowed because I went back and corrected their ten ninety nine and disallowed their deduction of what they paid me. Wow. But I did I did find the, other form. What was it? A 50 Larry brought it up the other day. It's a, it's another nonresident alien form for Okay. Contractors. Right. It was form number it's like the w eight d n for a contractor. It's form eighty two thirty three.
[02:34:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I remember you I was somehow, I come across that or I heard you talk about it. But,
[02:35:01] Unknown:
so I think when the when the you know, if they say, hey. We need your w nine. You need to send them an eighty two thirty three. They're in And not and don't send them a w nine because then Right. You know, then they have a tax document where they can substantiate, you know, the deduction on their end.
[02:35:18] Unknown:
I agree. And why they didn't report it on your end. We really gotta straighten this out because this is where we're running into problems because the the w twos and the ten ninety nines make it look like there's taxable income. Right. Exactly. If we can if we can figure out how to correct that, then we'll we'll have a lot easier time of not having to deal with the IRS.
[02:35:44] Unknown:
And it was a it was a little bit of a battle for me to get my WAB in before I had a different boss before, and he's like, you know, we're we're a federal you know, we're federally regulated with the FAA, and and I hold up a federal position within the company that's federally regulated. And he's like, oh, you gotta be a US citizen to hold that position. And I said, well, I am. I'm just not operating in that capacity. Right. I really just confused the shit out of him, and he's Yeah. I bet. I'm not I'm not sending in this form, and I don't wanna have to you know, I didn't wanna get the the feds dragged into it because I didn't wanna report me or anything. So, I just did exempt, but then I had all that taxable income reported on my social. So Yeah.
But then I had to go the the when I submitted it to my new boss and and she sent it over to the accountant, and the accountant said, no. No. No. You need to submit a w four. And I said, no. I'm a nonresident alien. This is the form for me. And she goes, oh, okay, and processed it,
[02:36:48] Unknown:
and pretty much.
[02:36:52] Unknown:
You know, they don't even ask what it is. You know, they're just like, oh, yeah. That's the checkbox for a nonresident alien. So Yep. Yep.
[02:36:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Yep. That's wild. Okay. Hey. I gotta go. Thanks for your help, Mark. Yeah. We do. Connecting with you, William. Yep. You too, bud. Alright. Well, I hope everybody has a great day. Have a good weekend. And, hopefully, we'll be back here either Wednesday or next Saturday. By Mark.
[02:37:32] Unknown:
Hey. Is Bruce still on?
[02:37:42] Unknown:
Yes, sir?
[02:37:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering, by any chance, have you had this thought or I don't know. Even if it's appropriate to possibly bring a you might wanna bring a habeas petition with you when you go into the
[02:37:59] Unknown:
What what are you saying?
[02:38:01] Unknown:
You might I'm don't know if it's appropriate. You might wanna bring a habeas corpus petition with you on Monday. Uh-huh.
[02:38:09] Unknown:
Yeah. That's a good idea.
[02:38:13] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I thought it might be. I did didn't know, so thought I'd suggest it.
[02:38:19] Unknown:
But, see, every every person that has an office was was sent an affidavit and and all the other stuff that I included in that letter. And, they they've been noticed, and it's been over sixty days. So it's here.
[02:38:38] Unknown:
I understand that. But, you know, you know how they sometimes roll. So Oh, believe me. I know. I know. I was just I was just thinking ahead going, oh, that might be a good idea.
[02:38:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Sure is. Thank you. Yeah. I said I'm gonna have a witness. I got my lady I'm taking care of. She's she's the national too. Yep. Wonderful. She's gonna be a witness to it. She's gonna tell him she she's a national. And I'm her caretaker.
[02:39:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, good luck.
[02:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you.
[02:39:18] Unknown:
Hey, Joe. Or not Joe. Bruce. Yes, sir. I was leaving a message for somebody named Joe. Had Joe on the brain. Sorry. Do they have a copy of your fee schedule?
[02:39:39] Unknown:
No. I don't. I I didn't.
[02:39:42] Unknown:
You didn't you didn't okay. What I put on my fee schedule was, forced compliance under threat, duress, or coercion
[02:39:56] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:39:57] Unknown:
Which would come in really, really handy in your particular instance because he was forcing your compliance under threat, duress, and coercion.
[02:40:06] Unknown:
Well, he was practicing law, and he's, you know, he thinks he he's got the right to do so. You know? Well, he was practicing law without a license too. Right.
[02:40:17] Unknown:
So Yep. And, he was committing false accusation.
[02:40:24] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Was that on the, your prescheduled online?
[02:40:32] Unknown:
Yeah. It's, notice.paulbeaner.com. Okay. Alright. Let me, let me bring that up right quick.
[02:40:49] Unknown:
So
[02:40:50] Unknown:
That's all I got it. All I got is a phone, you know, so I gotta go get it copied. Okay.
[02:40:56] Unknown:
Yeah. My my fee schedule
[02:41:01] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:41:05] Unknown:
Has wish or order with or without intent to cause compelled performance. That's a $125,000 per occurrence.
[02:41:17] Unknown:
Right. Okay. Do you want my email to send me more send send me that?
[02:41:25] Unknown:
Yeah. I can send you the whole package, really.
[02:41:29] Unknown:
Okay. Or I can Okay.
[02:41:31] Unknown:
I can, I can send you the link to Google Drive where you can just go pick it up yourself? My, my whole notification package is online. Mhmm. Let's see.
[02:41:45] Unknown:
You said it's a no fault. Harassment,
[02:41:48] Unknown:
assault, battery, personal injury, permanent injury, damage to property, theft or seizure of property, theft or seizure of the property, that that's the one where, Yeah. If, if he tows your car, theft or seizure of property is 10 times the item value plus $25,000 per item, and that includes the contents of the vehicle. Okay. And then additional damages additional damages procedure of property is $10,000 per item per minute or fraction thereof. Mhmm. That can rack up very quickly. Right. Okay. Detainment or arrest is $250,000 per occurrence, with $20,000 per person, per minute, or fraction thereof.
[02:42:40] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:42:42] Unknown:
Trespass You had that's that's exactly what he did to you. Yeah. Yeah. Trespass is a $100,000 per occurrence. That's trespass while armed. Trespass while unarmed is, is at a discount. It's only 50,000.
[02:43:05] Unknown:
Oh, right.
[02:43:06] Unknown:
Yeah. You have that in the back the window in your car? Don't you have that? I think, how you say you put it in the car. I have it. I have it posted in the left rear window of my car.
[02:43:17] Unknown:
Right. There you go.
[02:43:19] Unknown:
Great. Okay.
[02:43:20] Unknown:
Can you email can you email email this to me?
[02:43:26] Unknown:
I what does your email address start with? Just the first few letters.
[02:43:32] Unknown:
F e s.
[02:43:33] Unknown:
Okay. Let me see. F Estes. Okay. At yahoo dot com. Okay. I got it. Yeah. Yeah. F e s. Okay. Okay. I will be sending you the yep. Got it. And Okay. Thank you. Notice. I think you'll really like the, like, the the bottom paragraph of that.
[02:43:59] Unknown:
Right. I think you'll really like that there. And I have I have to sign it. Right?
[02:44:06] Unknown:
I have to sign it. I'll sign it my name. Right? No. What you'll have to do is you'll have to get it printed out. You'll have to white out my name because it's actually my notification package that is available on the Internet. Yeah. You'll have to white out you'll have to white out my name, sign it, and then, then, make a then print it or Yeah. Copy it. And then yeah. Right. Okay. Actually, you just just white it out. You could actually white it out and then just take it to a notary and sign it in front of the notary.
[02:44:43] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I'll do.
[02:44:44] Unknown:
Yeah. So, yeah, I I emailed that to you. Okay. And, I, I think you'll like it.
[02:44:59] Unknown:
Well, I know I know what it is. Yeah. Thank you.
[02:45:05] Unknown:
Hey, Paul? Yeah. This is this is John.
[02:45:10] Unknown:
Hey, John.
[02:45:12] Unknown:
That's that's something that I would definitely like to have. I do a lot of traveling.
[02:45:23] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:45:25] Unknown:
And if you don't mind, my email starts with j s n.
[02:45:34] Unknown:
Okay. Let me, let me see if I've got you in my, least, compose to j s n. Nope. I don't have you. Yeah. Yeah. Give me the whole address, or you can send an email to me @pgbeaner,eiener. It's just like [email protected].
[02:46:06] Unknown:
I'll just give it to you. J s n so it's [email protected].
[02:46:26] Unknown:
At Paul, can you add me to that too, please? I
[02:46:29] Unknown:
you know, I'm I'm sure that you've already got a copy of this, Sherry.
[02:46:34] Unknown:
No. But I think you did an update. I got one of your original ones.
[02:46:39] Unknown:
No. This is from this this was from 2022.
[02:46:45] Unknown:
Okay. So you don't have an updated version?
[02:46:49] Unknown:
I'll do a I'll do a blind carbon copy on you.
[02:46:57] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Thank you very kindly. Notice.
[02:47:04] Unknown:
And I do have to redo my affidavit because it does, because it does use the phrase, US national instead of simply national. I gotta fix that. But this, but this affidavit's already been on file since 2022. I'm just kinda reluctant to replace it because everything else is right. But it does specifically state that I'm not a citizen under the fourteenth amendment. Okay. There we go.
[02:47:51] Unknown:
Okay. But your fee your fee let or your fee schedule is part of what you're sending me? Because that's what I think you updated.
[02:48:01] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:48:02] Unknown:
Well well, every time I've updated the, every time I've updated the fee schedule, I've updated the notice, the notice that's online. You could just go to notice.paulbeiner.com and it comes right up. Right. I think I even have a barcode around here somewhere where somebody shoots the barcode, they can see my, see my package.
[02:48:29] Unknown:
Interesting. Thank you, Paul.
[02:48:31] Unknown:
Yeah. So yeah. I'm I'm thinking that you'll really dig the the last paragraph. You know, basically activating the fee schedule. I could read it right quick. The, fee schedule starts with lawful legal notice. Notice to principal is notice to agent. Notice to agent is notice to principal. In the left column is a list of prohibited actions. On the right column is a list of associated fees. The prohibited actions covered are violations of title 18. Section two forty two, violations of title 18, section two forty one, violation of any US code resulting in loss, harm, or injury, violation of treaty or international law resulting in loss, harm, or injury, trespass armed and trespass unarmed, practicing medicine with or without a license or without consent creating potential or actual injury, detainment or arrest, additional damages for detainment of arrest, so much a minute or fraction thereof, damage to property, any real, tangible, personal, intellectual, biological, or negotiable, theft or seizure of property, additional damages procedure of property, so much per item per minute or fraction thereof, seizure of electronic devices, search of electronic devices, use of facts obtained via search, search of property, any real, tangible, personal, intellectual, biological, or negotiable.
I gotta zoom in on this a little bit. Wish or order with or without intent to cause compelled performance, invasion of privacy and or personal private space, defamation, harassment, assault, battery, personal injury, permanent injury, and death as a result of or during assault or detainment. And the last paragraph is this is a self executing contract, commission of any prohibited actions or knowingly failing to act to prevent the commission of any prohibited actions, represents agreement to the terms and fees of this document in its entirety. All persons, principals, agents, foundations, associations, members, and entities committing, conspiring to commit, or failing to act to prevent the commission of one or more prohibited actions do accept and agree to pay the associated fees for commission of such prohibited actions.
Fees are collectible immediately upon demand through payment and lawful money, lien levy, garnishment, servitude, and seizure. Seized instruments, payments, and property shall be received and valued in the sole discretion and determination of the receiver. The fees, damages, and values are set at the best appropriate value in the sole determination of the author, presenter, server of this document. The author, presenter, server of this document reserves the right to waive or modify fee amounts at any time without notice. This document is not negotiable nor rebuttable.
The only way to avoid immediate execution of this document is to not violate permit violation or conspire to violate any part of it by Paul Gordon of the Klan family, Beaner, on the September in the year of our lord lord 2022, signed by author, presenter, server, autograph at right by Paul Biner. And that is my fee schedule. Oh, you need to find a copy of it at notice.paulbiner.com. And, also, my, cover letter is is also in that notification package addressed to all county, state, and federal offices and staff, all appointed or elected officials, all elected officials, all law enforcement agencies and staff.
Attention, administrative records department, head of administrative records regarding citizenship evidence. Please find the enclosed citizenship evidence evidence affidavit already on file with The US secretary of state declaring my status as a national. National status declaration is not to be construed as any form of sovereign or sovereign citizen declaration or claim. It is my wish to conduct my life and affairs in accordance with natural law and the laws of my creator, specifically to keep my word to honor the rights of others and to do no harm. Please adjust your actions, your agent's actions, as well as the actions of any directly or indirectly affiliated agencies, offices, officials, departments, divisions, contractors, subcontractors, nominees, successors, assigns third parties, and all other cooperating agencies present and future accordingly.
Please place all enclosed documents in my administrative file. Thank you. Paul dash Gordon hyphen Beaner. There we go.
[02:53:47] Unknown:
May you be compensated accordingly. God bless you.
[02:53:54] Unknown:
Thank you, Joan. Hey. I, I did the, the ABC Health. That info call last night. That show is, up on, radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And, Kurt Rigan, I don't know if anybody's familiar with him. He is a a native American, who has been giving law enforcement in Colorado fits. If if I remember correctly, they pulled him over because he didn't have, plates on his car. Push came to shove and they arrested him. And while he was in in custody, he he filed paperwork for, like, a 174 fellow inmates and got them released. So, oh, that was kind of interesting, kind of fun.
Check that out. His website is, oh, I have it open here. Let me see. I believe it's courtroom, Yeah. Courtroomkungfu.com. Courtroomkungfu.com. And there's, he's got, some interesting Freedom of Information Act things that basically I mean, there are people making a fairly healthy income, just by filing Freedom of Information Act. And, when the agency that they sent them to fails to, fails to respond or fails to give him the information in a timely manner, he just goes, goes ahead and sues them for $100 per page per day that they delay providing that information.
So he he's got people that are they're making a pretty healthy, pretty respectable income out of it. He also has tough on right to travel and tax stuff as well. So, he's got, tribal law, tribal right to travel, disappearing constitutions, video interviews, all kinds of stuff. That is courtroom kung fu. And I think that's probably a really, really good place to, put the Radio Ranch to bed for the day. Thanks for joining us for the Sabado edition of the Radio Ranch on, 11/15/2024. You can catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern.
Our website is thematrixdocs.com, thematrixd0cs.com, where you can find all kinds of great fun stuff, downloadables, exhibits, interviews, resources, and the free conference call link so you can actually join us live on the show. We've got room for a thousand of you, and, we just invite everybody to come on down to the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales. That's it for me today. Thanks for being here. Ciao. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[02:57:45] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
[02:57:47] Unknown:
Storming the castle.
Saturday Radio Ranch kickoff, format and purpose
Caller Tom: passport application, "not a US citizen" entry
Amish farmer Amos Miller, Mennonite insights, jurisdiction talk
Skeptic spouse, IRS fears, "paper tigers" debate
Admin appeals, passport story, and fraud vs. force discussion
“Most important message” and first tax year as a national
Caller Ezana: health wand aside and IRS amendment delays
Barnes, Viva, and outreach strategy to legal influencers
Trademark and S‑Corp questions; Mark joins with status guidance
Doctrine vs. rule of necessity; explanatory statements tactic
Pushback examples and Thirteenth Amendment leverage
Muse’s IRS refund limbo and bureaucracy frustrations
Bruce’s fender‑bender: police, tickets, and national status claims
Administrative counter moves: notices, fee schedules, witnesses
Sovereign citizen vs. national, using exact legal terms
Passport forms, explanatory notes, and Alex Jones rights debate
Justice Gorsuch on civics; sovereignty of the people discussion
New caller John (Idaho): spouse concerns and filing strategy
IRS state mismatch, frivolous penalty defenses, using AI carefully
AI tools Enoch and research habits; welcome to the brain trust
Trusts and asset protection: cars, houses, bank accounts
Passport renewals (DS‑82) and mixed filing scenarios
Married filing separately on 1040‑NR; innocent spouse note
Deep dives: states as political subdivisions, Reconstruction era
Community support, study advice, and archive resources
Privacy, biometrics, and rejecting patriot myths
IRS administrative timing, don’t rush replies, strategy
Amending vs. current year 1040‑NR; W‑4 exempt and W‑8BEN
Contractor forms: 1099 corrections and Form 8233 option
Fee schedule read‑through and self‑executing contract claim
Courtroom Kung Fu, FOIA income claims, and closing
