On today’s live call-in edition of Radio Ranch, we welcomed brand‑new and long‑time listeners to a practical, step‑by‑step discussion about correcting political status and living more freely day to day. I walked through the core first moves we teach—sending a simple affidavit to the Secretary of State and securing a passport that reflects national status—then fielded questions about choosing your battles, handling employment and withholdings, and dealing with IRS notices without panic. Callers shared real‑world experiences with forms, timelines, and what actually worked, including strategies like using W‑8BEN/8233 where appropriate, responding to IRS mail with proof of notice, and—when needed—filing a zero 1040‑NR to align third‑party wage reports with nonresident‑alien treatment. We also clarified common misconceptions around “revocation of election” and pointed to community forums and help lines that can resolve record‑keeping mismatches fast. Beyond tactics, we emphasized mindset: learn the material well enough to explain and defend it calmly, keep impeccable records, and help the next person up the trail. Listeners highlighted additional resources (from foundational readings like Bastiat’s The Law to research hubs and broadcasts) and celebrated fresh wins—like Annie and Clayton in Florida completing their paperwork—while encouraging anyone on the fence to take one small step today and keep showing up. If you work weekdays, these Saturday sessions exist for you—come learn, ask, and contribute.
- 'Euro Folk Radio (EFR)': https://eurofolkradio.com/
- 'Radio Ranch on Rumble (sample episode link)': https://rumble.com/v71668u-radio-ranch-with-roger-sayles.html
- 'The Matrix Docs (program home site)': http://thematrixdocs.com/
- 'National Status (community site and help center)': https://nationalstatus.info/
- 'Republic Broadcasting Network – Radio Ranch page': https://republicbroadcasting.org/radio-ranch-with-roger-sayles/
- 'The Common Lawyer (Brent Allan Winters)': https://commonlawyer.com/
- 'The Law by Frédéric Bastiat (Mises Institute edition)': https://mises.org/library/book/law
- 'The Law by Frédéric Bastiat (Project Gutenberg)': https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/44800
- 'LewRockwell.com': https://www.lewrockwell.com/
- 'Douglas Macgregor (official site)': https://www.douglasmacgregor.com/
- 'John B. Wells – Rumble channel': https://rumble.com/c/JohnBWellsLive
- 'Jeff Rense – official site': https://rense.com/
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Alright. Well, Alvin, Alvin, so would we, buddy. We we would like to change it so badly we'll get up on Saturday morning and come do a radio show to try and find people who wanna be free and see if we can turn the tide, Paul.
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Yeah. Go figure.
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Amazing, isn't it? Well, that's why we're here. We're here in case there might be some new folks out there that wanna be free, find out about what we do or the, or ask questions about becoming so, any of that stuff. Well, that's why we're here. And, we have a very for you, we have a very abbreviated, list of of helpers today on Saturday. They all take the day off for the most part. Nope. We're here at the wheel with our shoulders straight to it. Right, Paul?
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Yes. Nose to the grindstone.
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Yes. He says. The wheel. Yes.
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Yes. My, my kitty is just just being completely obnoxious, like, within two minutes of the start of the show. And all the way through the beginning, she she's batting me with her claws and everything. She wants something. I have no clue what it is. Some catnip? You got some catnip there? You're hiding from her? I'm about to give her some catnip. You know? There you go. Set as set her off in the corner in a catatonic state. Leave me alone, buddy. Oh, yeah. Yep. She knows where the treats are. She's she's loving up the drawer in my desk. We're on a drastically abbreviated list of platforms today. We're on eurofolkradio.com, thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network, both the audio platform, radio.globalvoiceradio.net, and the Rumble platform that is rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.
Our website, of course, is thematrixdocs.com. That should be nothing new for anybody that's, in attendance. The matrixdocs.com, that is where you'll find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. And this is Saturday. Come on down. If you're diligent if you work during the week and you just cannot join us, that's what this Saturday is all about.
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Yeah. So we had Alma and her, trove, I guess, her and her cousin and all their kids, and their husbands are out working dutifully. And I said if they're home over the weekend, they wanna know a little bit about this. We do this show, and they'd be perfect candidates. I was very impressed with Alma. I'm hoping she'll come back and talk to us. Otherwise, we generally, not not always, occasionally have new folks on. We've had some folks that didn't wanna follow our, our prescribed path here. That's not unusual. Julie's friend, Austin, who's a gold and silver salesman, and he came hung with us.
And he came back and said, no. I don't think I wanna do this. That's understandable. The early thirties don't know what all of the ingredients were that made up his decision, but that's okay. At least as I've said so many times, I think my part here is just to let you know that you've got a choice that you didn't know you had before we cross paths. And, if you wanna find out out more about it, I can explain it to you. It's, well, we got a pretty good track record. We've been doing this about fifteen years on the air or something like that, and we never had, one incident of blowback from the federal government ever reported to me through any of our students that follow the prescribed procedure.
Anyway Anyway. That's what we're here for today. It's a beautiful day in Ecuador. Alright. Morning, at least. Well, rush. The afternoons are always up for grabs, but we'll see. Yes, Paul? Yes, Paul.
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There's many stages to what we do. There sure is. Probably the the first and ultimately the most important is sending an affidavit to the secretary of state and getting a passport. Those are the those are the the critical things. You know, if you choose not to, drive with a private plate on your car, that's fine. You know, you don't wanna poke that barrier. You've gotta decide what hill you're gonna die on. If you don't wanna put the IRS on notice, if you wanna continue to dutifully pay your taxes and all that shit, that's fine.
All you have to do is send an affidavit to the secretary of state and get a passport. You can stop right there. You still have the protection of national status. You're still orphaned from statute, facts, and codes and the law of the city, and you just pick what hills you're going to die on. Just so it it would affect Julie's friend in absolutely no way whatsoever other than positively. It all won't it can't affect his job. It's not gonna get him on a blacklist with the IRS or any of that happy hoo But it still protects him from the mandates and the civil codes that, actually dilute his rights beyond any shadow of a doubt.
So He doesn't have I think we probably should have mentioned that.
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Well, if he doesn't do it, he doesn't dilute his rights. It dilutes his privileges because all he's got is civil rights. They're nothing more than privileges. Right. Let me check here, Paul, and see what, mister Gates says for me over here this morning. Oh, good.
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Florida. Yeah. Sort of. Okay. Can I say something really quick?
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Yes, ma'am. You were we're here for you, sweetie.
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Annie in Florida. I filed out my paperwork yesterday. I'm free.
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Congratulations.
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I'm finally free. Now, Annie, was Annie is this you and your husband, from Jacksonville. Right?
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Yes, sir.
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Okay. Good. Well, congratulations. Glad you got through that. Thank you. Now you should tell the audience you you and your husband saw some of this about a year or so ago when I did a presentation to the group that you attend in Jacksonville. A lot of retired there's some navy folks in there and whatever. And then you deliberated on it for quite some time, didn't you?
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I did. Yes. Went back and forth. I've read a lot of books in the interim and, and just spoke to other people that were from our group that have had success. And I'm just so blessed to be able to be a part of what I consider to be a turning point now in our lives, for real It it is. Real financial freedom and real liberty,
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The way that God has just wanted us to live. Well, that's true. And that's what we've led you to. You had to make the decision to move forward of it. And and I understand there's deliberation and and and people you you almost have to pinch yourself and go, is this real? And and if you do enough of that investigative stuff, you're gonna figure it out. It is. And it's a it's a wonderful feeling, and, I just applaud you. And and it was Plower? What was your husband's name? Annie? Is Annie there? Am I here? Are we anywhere at all?
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Yeah.
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Okay. I was flashing back to the Firesign Theater.
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You know? You remember that? Annie somehow got moved to Room 1, Paul.
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Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. Oh, now I know. Alright. That's what happened. That's what happened. Alright. Annie Because she's,
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yeah. Alright. Let me move ahead. That happen?
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It's, anonymous, anonymous caller's kid list and only room, and I thought there was a little something weird about that. Come on. Come on. Come on. Move
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to there. Alright. Thank you. Or Annie. Whoever else. Whoever else. Whoever else. Annie and her husband get free, and you you you put her over in a room by herself. Annie, are you there, sweetie? No. She's not there yet. Annie's in transition transition. No. Not that way. She's transitioning from Room 1 back to the main room.
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Well, she is in the main room now. Is she? She is in the main
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room.
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They just tune back. I don't know what happened what happened. No. There you go. We're gonna whip Paul. We're gonna make that cat send him around the house 10 times. Annie, what was your husband's name? I know it's unusual.
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Clayton. Clayton. Very southern.
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Say it again slowly.
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Clayton,
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c l a y t o n. Oh, Clayton. I thought it was started with a p. Clayton. Okay. Well, you and Clayton are into life number two. And, just, just remember, get command of the information and and where you can defend it. If you're ever challenged, the chances are you won't be, but you may be. And also to, explain it to other people, and you're very lucky. You've got the the I think it's Brian's group right there you're a member of and other supporting people. So congratulations, Anya.
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Thank you. Now I don't wanna dominate the conversation because I've learned so much No. And I listened to everyone. But, I just wanted to share that. I'm just so ecstatic.
[00:12:17] Unknown:
Well, really, really proud for you. And, man, it's just a a a joy. It's all you almost can't touch it, see it, or feel it. You know? It's all inside you. You've gotta be the change. Nothing else is gonna change. And, and and you work towards that end that you will become and start becoming re empowered. And you work at it, and you will. K? And, know this information well enough, and you'll be re empowered. So just I I can't say how proud I am of y'all, and thank you for very much for letting us know. And there may be some other people on the call here that are deliberating doing the same thing you and Clayton did. So, good on you. Have you got any other questions, Annie?
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No. I, I don't right now. I'm working with Merka, and, I just I I don't at this point. No. But you know the thing is gonna be the w four information. I'm dealing with changing withholding because my husband's still employed, and I'm not right now. I'm not retired. And so I wanna move I guess that would be my next step.
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Okay. I don't know. You tell me. What is my next step? Well, I would say I'm glad you got that in because at any point during the year, this is what we've been able to conclude anyway, that you file the paperwork. It negates you from your taxing ability, or or mandate for that year. So it's good that whatever you do in the tax area, try and get it done for the end of the year. It would be my suggestion. K?
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Yes. Absolutely. And I definitely am gonna need some direction. So I'm gonna We're right here. Hopefully be able to reach out.
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Okay. Well, we're right here, sweetie. We're right here to help you. So, thank you for letting us know. And when there's other obstacles or thoughts or whatever your your your query is, here's the place to come. So and hopefully, Paul won't move you over into Room Number 1 too often or something. But, anyway, glad you did that. Thank you so much. And, is there anybody that wants to say anything to Annie and Clayton here?
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Congrats,
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Annie. Yep. There you go. There's me. Thank you.
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It's Marca. Hey.
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Getting, getting an extra hour's beauty sleep on the West Coast. There you go.
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Yep. And then Ecuador too. Right? Yes. Roger, I was gonna say something about, what you guys were talking about earlier of people putting in an affidavit and taking their time, learning. So it takes time to learn and feel comfortable with what what we're doing because, we've been indoctrinated by The US system to believe that we had to have a permit or license to do whatever we not we have a natural right to do. Yeah. Like traveling instead of driving.
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Yeah. They can you they want you to call your your local city council. Can can I go to the store and get some groceries and come home? I mean, is that kind of obedience that some people think these people they've got over you. That's just Pavlovian conditioning. And I understand it. I was in there myself at one point. You will come out of it. If you just persist, Persist learning the information every day. Maybe start querying yourself to see what you do understand. But regardless, you'll get over it, and and the whole thing reverts back to this one thing. All this is your choice, not theirs.
You don't have to ask them for Jack Doodly Squad.
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Right. So what what people have been doing, before they become a national, they're in the public, and now we are in the in the under natural law in the private. Yeah. So it takes time to review. It's in their code. It tell they it tells you exactly what they're doing and who and who the codes apply to, commerce versus, you know, personal private capacities. And, that's that's the difference, and that's what people need to start looking into to feel comfortable with what's, doing the affidavit putting in the affidavit and feeling comfortable
[00:16:44] Unknown:
removing themselves from that system. And well, and then standing up, let's say we got some pretty important things right ahead of us directly, an economic situation and all these other things that they may try and enforce. They've gotta enforce them regulatorily. They've got to use an administrative agency to enforce their stuff. They can't do it directly from the UN. And so that, of course, is where we separate ourselves from the other folks. And the more of us that we can get down this path and understanding this information and uptaking it and and living it, the more resistance we're gonna give them if they ever start to to enforce anything heinous, administratively because we got numbers.
That's the one thing we really need is numbers. And, boy, I just fret over it all the time, and I don't know what to do about it. It's not necessarily that we're not doing the right thing. I mean, look, I was on Jeff Rents. Huge, huge well, at least I perceived it to be for my most of my Internet life, a huge nighttime three hour radio show. And we're on there two hours, two subsequent nights close. Not one person not one person picked up on this out of that audience. So you don't know. You know, you get these signals like that that go, holy smokes. This is really only targeted for a very small group of people. And I've it's it's been really hard for me to accept that. I think I'm there, hoping that something changes, but you see what I'm talking about? I mean, we're a very small group of people in relation to the people that have been exposed to this. So you'd want to think I would have always thought that the first time we got on Joyce Riley years ago, even though I couldn't explain it, you had twenty two hours of commercials and minutes an hour.
I would have thought that we would have had a line of people just, you know, go through the Patriot community quickly. And boy, it doesn't. And so it's been a surprise for me. Yes, Marco?
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The only reason people don't see it is because of the words that they're using. They presume that it's the same. And the legal word is what what has people fooled. Yeah. They're using the legal leads on on every everything that we we see out there, and we have to understand that. Look at the difference. Look at the What is it? Definitions
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of it. Yeah. I I mean, I understand what it takes to peel the layers back off the onion, but I would never thought it was would be so difficult. And it emphasizes how special we are. Was that William?
[00:19:28] Unknown:
No, Roger. It's David. Alabama. Oh, hey, Dave. How you doing, bro? Hi. Hey. Good. Good. Hey. I just you know, your your message is getting a lot of exposure. At least we're we're seeing it. And I just I think that maybe there's just not a good way to track it. But we see Yeah. We do we do see, a lot of folks coming. We even see vote folks coming from rents. The rents website to this day are coming to national status. Yeah. So he's got links there. And, to the gentle lady who is thinking of her next steps, just was that Annie, I believe?
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Yes. Our
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our path with the IRS is on our website on the nationalstatus.com or nationalstatus.info, and it and it documents our path with the IRS, which did work. And so, again, it's up to her how she wants to approach it. But the example on our website is is what we did, and it did work. We were able to get our withholdings back. No more filing where I'm a w two, employee, and that's throughout. My employer does not, withhold, and I do not file any longer. Anyway
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Dave, you know why Thank you for sharing that. Getting that. You know why you're getting that rent traffic? Because in the information I sent him, instead of the matrix docs, he'd announced and evidently still has up there your site as the main website. That's why you're getting that traffic, but that's good to know.
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Yeah. Yeah. And, that's cool. And we, if we have questions, we try and answer them for folks, but our forum is a good place. We have all the different subject matter that people can interact with others. And again, for any, if you go to nationalstats.com, you go to the remedy navigation at the top, And you hover over that, you'll see different links, and there's one called internal revenue service. And that's the one that has, instructions or, at least to what we did. So everybody's different, but it that does give an example of what we how we approached our employer and the IRS.
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So Cool. Thank you for all the work you and Kaye have done on that. And Mark on hers and Devon on his, and these are all just students who wanted to do something to contribute and have set up their own research, portal. So thank all of you. Those are all available not only to Annie and Clayton, but everybody else who would like. So that's good news. Thank you, Dave. Roger.
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Yes? Could I just say one more thing briefly? Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. I just had breakfast with three of my friends this morning, and I I've already planned a disease with them. And Oh, good. I said, why don't you just walk with me during this journey and I'll share with you what's going on. And so, they were intrigued and excited. And so as I walk through this, of course I'll be better able to communicate to them. And listen, what I, I'm totally in on this. Totally in. All in. I'm working my whole day around your broadcast. And then I spend a few hours after that trying to, you know, go back into the channel and read through, listen to the videos, read through the materials.
There's a lot of information and it's a little bit overwhelming, but I should try to do a bite every day and, because this is the priority in my life. I had to make it. I had to get to a point where I made it. This is the ultimate priority is to regain my freedom for my husband and myself.
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Well, Annie, we're just proud. Thank you. No. We're tickled to death for you. Well, you're very welcome. It's just a loosely knit How are you? We're tired. Well, just, stay tuned and keep spreading the message like your friends at breakfast this morning. That's the way you give back, and I would remind you what John Benson used to say from that podium when he was teaching us this stuff is he'd say, Annie and Clayton, the only way that I can protect my liberty is to help you protect yours. So I'm here to help you protect your liberties so I can also protect mine.
That's where the numbers come in. And every one of us that comes into this gets that mandate on your shoulders because you need to protect yours too and you want to, so you spread the word. In many ways, it's like a multilevel marketing thing. And I've no no no other way to structure it. You know? Yeah. One bite at a time and the commitment of me knowing how important this is for so many years because I've been messing with it so many years. And, man, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna get this information out to somebody come hell or high water. And over all these years, we've been able to we've been able to touch a lot of folks, I think. We don't hear them coming back and participating too much. They get it. They get they change their life, and they go on about, their way.
But some of them come back and check. You hear them occasionally here with us to get a recharge as Duane said a few weeks ago. And, we just love all of you. I don't know. I'd love to know the effects of this on some people if they come back and tell us those stories, but we generally don't hear from them. Occasionally, we do. Anyway, that's where you are, Annie. We welcome both of you, and, you know, come get in the team, you know, in the family here. We welcome you with open arms.
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Thank you very much. Hey, Roger.
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I yield. Yeah. I'm with somebody. I think you got something. Yes, sir?
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Yes. This is, Dave from Tampa. How y'all doing today?
[00:25:38] Unknown:
How are you? Dave. Oh, you came back. I go yeah. I've come back. I've got my brother here with me, Gary. And Cool. Hey, Gary. You went and spoken to Gary in a coon's age. Hey, Gary. Speaking of old folks coming back. Hey, man. I'm sure listen. I'm I'm sorry about your mom. I understand I lost mine a couple years ago, so I totally understand what you're going through. And, the one thing you can say for yours that I can say for mine is yours died free.
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She did. She did. Thanks to you.
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And Well, thanks to you. Spread the word. Their mother was a, y'all correct me if I'm wrong, she was a a regular staunch listener to the program here.
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She was. She was. She started slipping near the last couple years, but she was working there and early going. And, so, yeah, she appreciated it. She enjoyed the show, and and that's back in the in the I think it was bumper days too where we're watching you, you know, on his show. And and, that was really enjoyable. That's right. Oh, the thumper years.
[00:26:46] Unknown:
Yeah. Thumper did. Yeah. Bob Morgan came over. Gary, Dave, I think you were still in Texas, but Gary was in Tampa with mom there. Didn't Bob Morgan and his family come over? We talked on the phone. Right. Boy, Gary. Good
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good memory, Raj. Yeah. That was, like, late in '17, I think it was, and met Katcha came down from Idaho
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and, Bob and Bob and his Okay. Who's who's saying my name?
[00:27:13] Unknown:
There he is. There he is. Hey, mister Morgan.
[00:27:17] Unknown:
That's funny. I actually turned the call on, and I heard my name. And I'm like, what?
[00:27:23] Unknown:
What? Your ears were burning.
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How timely. How timely.
[00:27:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got Gary and Dave here, Bob, if you heard. And I was relating back to the when you went over with the girls and and met them, and we conversed and shot back actual video and all that stuff. It was very cool.
[00:27:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. Yes. That was just my oldest daughter. My only my oldest daughter only, not all three. But, yeah, I, heard that is it Dave? David? Yes. And Gary both. Yeah. I had heard you on the other day and you saying that, your your brother got in the wanderlust and gotten the license to go jockey with the, Iranians and the and the Hindu Hindus out there. Pretty much. How's that doing? How's that going for you?
[00:28:10] Unknown:
It's the the jury's out. It Jury's out. It it's a it's a process, and, yeah, I'm just looking for the right fit. And, I've tried a couple couple, outfits, but I'm just looking for the the right one. So a little bit of hunting going on right now.
[00:28:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. Well, I I admire your adventurous spirit. A lot of folks wouldn't do that later in life. I think that's very admirable. I wish you well. Thanks. Thanks, Bob. You know, the the best you know, he took mom past since, you know, they were so close because he was over here and taking care of her, and and he took, he took it pretty tough. And I told him, I said, you know, the best thing, you know, best thing to do is get busy.
[00:28:52] Unknown:
Yeah. No doubt. It's it's it's the best therapy to stay busy and helps you heal. Good advice. Yes. Good advice.
[00:28:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I was sad to hear of your mother's passing. She had a great spirit. I loved the I love that visit we had when we were up there. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Bob.
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Appreciate that.
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But I one thing that's going on right now that's that's a lot different in my life is, as you know, I filed back in '21. Yeah. I studied a couple years, and I filed back in in in August '21. And, my company I had noticed that my company through Oracle I know Roger remembers. My company through Oracle had had this deal to where it said exempt from taxes. It was just a checkbox inside Oracle under the the payroll section of Oracle. And so I said, you gotta be kidding me. And so I I just I checked it, and, sure enough, it was the next paycheck or a couple took a couple of paychecks maybe at my my withholding was was gone. My federal, withholding was gone.
And I was like, you are you sick? I was I just couldn't believe it. And it was a, you know, nice little shot in the arm. Yeah. And, and I just I was elated about that, and I went went on my went on my merry way. And and it it's been now let's see. What? Four years later, I got a I got a letter from the IRS saying I owe for back taxes from '21, '22, '23, and '24. And now they're they're they're coming at me with two fists, and, you know, I sent them I'm answered every letter. I've answered everyone on time, and I've sent them copies of my on everyone, copies of my affidavit, a nice cover letter explaining, you know, what I am again, kind of reiterating what my because I had a one page affidavit that went through the nine nine or 10 points.
And, and then now then they sent my company a lockout letter saying, you know, I'm not allowed to because I got because, payroll got in touch with me and said said, you know, you need to turn in a w another w four that's got that's got exempt you write exempt on line nine or whatever it was. Well, that doesn't apply because I retired in December. And then it was kind of a ironic thing that that they got the they got the letter the same time that I retired, so it really didn't matter. Do you do you mean December?
[00:31:56] Unknown:
You said this year.
[00:31:58] Unknown:
Of I'm sorry. December, well, this last December, last year. Deal. I'm so I'm sorry. Last year last year. And,
[00:32:06] Unknown:
2,000 You're feeling you're feeling festive. You're you're already in the Christmas spirit. You're already in December. Did I did I hear you say that you have been working in oil field related industry in Texas and Oklahoma?
[00:32:21] Unknown:
Yes. I was, I was did vibration analysis. It's come my special vibration analysis on gas compressors all throughout the Western Oklahoma and, Northern Texas area. And then I traveled up to Pennsylvania and parts of California and just just kinda Colorado, all those areas.
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And the I grew up in I grew up in Northwest Kansas, and I had traveled and worked in through the Panhandle and Western Oklahoma and, Panhandle Of Texas in that area with my yard listing. And so You know compressors then? Oh, I'm familiar with them. Not not not like you would be, of course. But, yeah, they're
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Yeah. It's
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interesting infrastructure out there.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Question, David. Dave, with your IRS problem, I'm wondering if it's the one they've attacked people on lately, a couple. We haven't had many. Where last, Saturday during the program, Larry from Jacksonville came on and gave a way to answer that. Because what they're doing is I think they're trying to sync you filing something along with what they would I'm I'm I'm confused about it, but you guys there's a there may be a remedy for you, Dave, and I think it was that Larry went over it in-depth last Saturday's show, I think.
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Okay. In fact, I I heard the show in my cover letter that that I just sent out a few days ago because I I had to have something into them by the fifteenth. I covered that. I Okay. But, you know, it'd be nice to get in touch with with Mark. I I've tried to. I know he's busy taking care of his parents, I believe, what my brother said. But I've I've wanted to get in touch with him, so I'll try to catch him on one of these shows.
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Well, he would be here today if he could. Saturday is one of the days he does come if he can. Have you dropped him an email at straw man? No. I have not. I I don't know that address. Let me give you well, let me give you his address. Straw man, straw man, just like it sounds, @mark,allcaps,.com. I think it's this form fifteen one zero three that Larry went over, and at least throw that at him and see if it doesn't satisfy him would be my suggestion. Okay? I had a question. But, yes, straw man and Hey, David. Okay. Hold on. Yes. Alright. Hold on. Hey, Dave. Yeah. Hold on. [email protected]. Doesn't have to be all caps. It's just that's the address. Okay. Go ahead, whoever's trying to get in. Did
[00:35:08] Unknown:
yeah. David, the, go ahead.
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Yeah. I'm just gonna ask David if he had submitted at some point in time a revocation of election. Is that something that you had submitted as part of your process with the IRS in the past?
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No. No. It it has it's not. I've I have not seen it. I thought I did, but when I went back and looked, it was just a it was just a format read failure to, fail failure to file. And then it had under there, I am not they had a checkbox on there that says, I am not a US citizen or or resident, which is extremely uncertain. They all know.
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So you you noticed you noticed the IRS with your affidavit, but you never revocated your election?
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Yes. Absolutely.
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So that might be what they're they may try and lean on is the fact that, yes, they they were noticed, but you never formally removed yourself, so to speak, with the with the, revocation of the election. Just a heads up on that.
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Okay. Alright. Yep.
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I I would throw in what Larry brought out. I think what they're doing with you has got something to do with the with not filing in on the back of them being notified or something. Anyway, see if it doesn't work. It very well may. It seems to have other people that form fifteen one zero three is included. And Larry went over it in in incredible detail as he does everything. So Okay. I'll I'll shut up. Yes. There's Julie Julie. I think Bob was right. Do you wanna follow-up on what we're talking about? I'll get to you, Julie.
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I wanna Well, what I was wanting to mention what I was wanting to mention was when Dave was Dave talking about that about that,
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I'm getting a heck of a feedback, and it's Yeah. Yeah. I hear it too. Somebody's got a mic open if you Somebody's I think is that better? It it it
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yes. It is. When Dave was talking about the drop down that had the checkbox for him to opt out Mhmm. You know, it had been there the whole time. But unless you know what you're looking for, you don't see it. Right. And we're programmed not to see things. We're just programmed to live as we always have. I was visiting with this friend of mine who was having trouble with the county on some zoning stuff that had been there for thirty years, but now all of a sudden, they've they he said, you mean you've been taking my money all this time, and now you're gonna come back and fight me on something because you realize you've been wrong this all this time? And you gotta go you know, all it's just I won't even go into all the details. But I said, so I can't guarantee you you can make all those problems go away, but I said I can get you out of it personally. And he's, you know, he's like that, dog in the RCA. He's Coxey's head.
Right. He's Yeah. He's like, What? Yeah. And I showed him I showed him the, passport application for all pass passports are available for to US citizens and nationals. And I said, you never you've got a passport. Right? He said, yeah. I've had a passport for twenty years because I do work down in the islands. He's a contractor. I said, have you ever seen that? And he said, no. I never seen it. I said, it's been there the whole time. You didn't need to see it. You stopped when you saw a US citizen. He said, yep. That's right. We're programmed to see only what applies to us, and we don't think outside the box. It's just human nature.
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Another real good example of what you're talking about there is you have you seen that thing fly on a whole o eight Yes. I have. White sheet of paper and it's black fly. And you can look at it. Boy, you just can't even see it. It's right in front of you.
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And once you finally see it, it's like, how can you not see it? It's like you can't see it. See it then. Exactly. Just like the ofs. Just like where you read the ofs out of a sentence. You know? I've you know, I was listening to a number of years. I was going back. I've been refreshing a lot lately too. I it's not that I got away from I got so busy at work that I just and there's no way I could listen because I was working rural areas. It's just I went back and I would periodically list on cast box, but, I do need to refresh. But, they that one of one of the things I was listening to is where there was a sentence that had the uvs in it. You don't The exercise. The exercise. Yeah. And you missed, like, you miss the l b s, counting all the s. It's amazing.
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That that is one I've seen that. I've seen that work in front of a crowd of very educated people, man. It's just incredible to me how they can put things like what they're talking about audience is there's a sentence. It's the thing that went around years ago. Their finished files are the result of something something something, just this silly sentence. And they get people up there and they say, count the f's. And nobody can count it correctly. And the reason is because when you see of, o f, your mind replaces the f with a v, and you can't see it.
Amazing. Amazing stuff. Thanks for bringing that up, Dave.
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Yeah. Yeah. But,
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it's nice to hear that. I know that before I'll get chastised. Julie? Yeah. Can I put you on the back burner too long? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Dave, this is Julie. She's one of our newer folks. She's been around about eleven months ten, eleven months now and lives right outside of DC in Virginia, unfortunately, for her now after this week's elections. So anyway, Julie, these are two brothers that used to be around Dave not as much, but Gary years ago. And then their situations changed, and we didn't get to I'd hear from them occasionally, but not on the air. So, anyway, that's what you got here. Gary and Dave meet, Julie.
[00:41:12] Unknown:
Hi, Julie. Hi, Julie. Glad to meet you. So Yeah. Nice to meet you too.
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I so you guys are nationals, and you didn't file a revocation of election. I'm in some other group, similar, to what Roger's doing, but different a different method of doing it. And, there are many people in these groups that have not filed tax returns for years and they are not nationals and then they will, you know, they are just recently filing revocations of elections with the IRS, but you know, every year, each year is a new year and each year is a new contract with the IRS and if you don't want to contract with them, you have the right to do so. I think it's safer being a national than some of these groups that are where the people are not nationals and they're just because of what the fourteenth Amendment states.
So, I I, you know, I don't know what you put in your letter, but, I might have Oh. I don't know if you've stipulated that you're a national and you're not a federal citizen, and you didn't you're not contracting with them. And you have the right to not contract with them. They can't force you into a contract. So I don't, like, know what you put in your letter, but that's maybe Julie? And I might have been in it.
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They were around before we ever got back into that, if my memory serves me correctly. That's that's that's that's true. That's correct. Honestly understand what we're talking about. Okay? Yep. So You're right. Roger. Okay. Well, let me explain to you what happened after the water with you guys went under the bridge. We're sitting here and it I was talking about it one day that that was the reason that John and Glenn originally formed this, is they could go back, check John found in the regulations, you change status, and you go back and apply. They call the application back a revocation of election. I think we get our definitions on that phrase confused at times around here.
But technically, the way I remember it was it was going back, and once you change statuses, you could go back with this process, and and they would give you three years of what you've paid in back. And that was part of the engine that the whole John and Glenn thing because they got a percentage of that. You paid them to go through the seminar, and then they would get I don't remember what the percentage was. It wasn't much, but they get a percentage of what you got back on that. The first couple of people that did it, friends of theirs, they're in Salt Lake area, got back big checks.
And then all of a sudden, the IRS realized what was happening, and they shut the gate. And when by the time I went through, shortly thereafter, I got $500 frivolous filing penalties for each one of those years. That is now $5,000 frivolous filing penalty. K? So that's what they're talking about. I was talking about it here on the air one day. One of our very sharp students, John, went didn't even tell me about it. Just went back, did all the research, filed it, and he said, I if I told you how much showed up in his bank account, you wouldn't believe it that people paid this much in taxes, but he did. And, all of a sudden, this copious amounts of, 6 figures show up in his bank account.
Cool. Well Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here, Paul. Yes, Paul.
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No. No. Go ahead and continue. Finish your story, but, circle back to
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me. And so, well, he, came on and started talking about it. And, told he told and and he didn't use that figure when he got back on the air. He used a greatly diminished figure. He told me that on the side later. Alright. Hold on. There's people talking, please.
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No. Somebody's unmuted. There we go. Okay. Thank you.
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Okay. Let me get my and, so then we started talking about it here on the show, and we had a little program of our own, where we were offering that to people, but we were never very successful at it. A little bit, but not to the extent that he was. And so, that's what they're talking about. And I know you guys never did that because you didn't even know about it.
[00:45:41] Unknown:
That's correct. That's correct. Okay. You you mentioned it early on, and it but it wasn't taught as a necessity. You know, it was more or less your affidavit process. And, you know, I think there was a little bit of
[00:45:55] Unknown:
a a process on the side if you wanted to. Oh, there he is. And see here, I I know we didn't talk about doing it because Mark wasn't on board yet. And and it's Mark and his paralegal ability, and he's gonna do do a lot of that paperwork and stuff. I'm not gonna do it. Okay? And so it enabled us to even offer that for people at all. And it worked for a few, but not for the vast majority who are actually going to go back. And I think you gotta have a ten forty x in that process, and you go back and get those three years back. That's where we've been blocked. And for people that had not filed yet and still had some funds from the previous year in the queue that filed a ten forty n r, they got theirs. Okay? So let's see check-in with Paul here and see what he was needing. Paul?
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Yeah. I have a question. When you filed your affidavit, did you get a passport at that time?
[00:46:52] Unknown:
Yes. I did.
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Okay. Now, did you send any kind of a notice to the IRS?
[00:46:59] Unknown:
Yes. I did. I I get put out everybody on notice. The sheriff's mind on every Alright.
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Did you keep proof of delivery Yes. Of your notice to the IRS? Yes. I got that. And you have a copy of what you sent them.
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These are these are very good students here, Paul.
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Okay. Well, alright. Well, then here's how here's how you do this, and this is not financial advice. You put them on notice, and you use the heading lethal legal, lawful notice, notice to agent is, notice to principal, notice to principal is notice to agent. Okay. You already notice them. Now what they're trying to do is they are trying to hornswoggle you into thinking that the only way that you can opt out of their system is to be a good little slave and use their special, extra, handy dandy form to opt out of it. You sent them lawful legal notice.
Send them a copy of what you sent them, proof of when they received it, explain to them that it's not your problem if they suck at record keeping, But you sent them notice and, you, you believe, them attempting to collect taxes from somebody who is not owed them owing them to be fraud and theft. Yes. Good. Yeah. And any further communication from them will be returned with a bill for $5,000 just for opening the envelope. Just
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be sure and be sure and tell them how much you love them there at the end. Okay? Yeah. Hugs and kisses. Bullshit.
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Yeah. You know, kiss my ass. K Yeah. KMA.
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Yes. Yes, Marika.
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Just wanted to ask, Dave or oh, it's Gary. Right? The one that's has the issue?
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Yes.
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Okay. So, did you call the nonresident alien line? Because you can easily fix the problem. Call me?
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No.
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That I've Okay. That I've never done. You could you could call the nonresident alien line because there is an error, I had to deal with, and I've been having our students in National Status Freedom Telegram, call the nonresident alien line directly, talk to the agent, tell them they've made an error, and this notice has been, effective, effectively mailed to the commissioner, and it should be in the system. But for some reason, it's not. So you need to correct IRS needs to correct their error and, put the affidavit and your notice on file so it's showing in all systems. And ask him, the agent, her or him, for their fax number where you can fax it to so that that issue is corrected.
And, Tom, they have they have Nice. I
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have never heard that, Mark. Nice. Never heard of them. Yeah.
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Yeah. What I did was I I called them, and I wasn't, you know, harsh on them. I just said, you know, I was firmly telling them they could they made an error. You know, they need to correct IRS needs to correct this error in the system and show it, you know, reflected in all systems connected and affiliated with the IRS or taxes and, update it with my affidavit, lawful legal notice and affidavit that was effectively mailed whatever date and, just send them. Like, can I please, get your fax number so I can send it to you so you guys can have that, that updated in the system under my file? Fantastic. So yeah. Reach out on, National Status Freedom Telegram, and we can guide you on whatever issue because we're always going back and forth about it. So, there has been some students that have been receiving receiving these, and that's my recommendation, for them to call is, the nonresident alien line directly and talk to them.
My experience was good. That that person went out of his way to make sure that everything was, showing correctly. They were missing some other data too. You know, old taxes. I had an issue with old taxes that weren't they didn't update it. They received the information. They entered the wrong information, and, it was, you know, they it just needed to be updated. So I handled two things, and then I send in my, IRS notice again to them. Nice. Nice. Comment. Yeah. Just reach out because we can go back and forth.
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You know, one one thing I did wanna mention too is, I we I did this, you know, when I when, I filed is just just just just for safety, grins, whatever. Gary witnessed me, get my affidavit notarized. He witnessed me mail package it in the in the envelope Sending them and and drop it in the mailbox. And then he Yeah. We wrote he wrote up an affidavit on that and got that notified.
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Good job. That's awesome. That's perfect. And Bob's Bob had a comment?
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Somebody had a comment. I'm trying to It's William. It's William.
[00:52:42] Unknown:
Hey, William. Hey, buddy. It's our fellow One one one more thing before before we go to someone else. Roger, I just wanted to tell this, Dave and Gary that, there was another student that had the same issue, and we didn't have a lot of the information. It was probably, like, two years ago or something. He ended up going to court, because they kept bothering him. And Really? But now we kinda feel I mean, we're we're more, we have more information now. So I gave him what we are doing. And, he went to court, and they dropped everything.
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Did he did he represent himself?
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Who represented the He he represented himself. So he told he he I mean, that's learning the information. Was
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it court, or was it an administrative appeal? Court.
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Tax court. Tax. Okay. I don't know. He just said he went to he had to go to tax court, and he gave them all the information, shown gave them the affidavit that was already on file, and they dropped it. They they fixed the issue. But he had a quote of court. We didn't have all the what we have now that I'm sharing with him and, and what we're what we're doing. So
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yeah. But Marca, give him the, phone number for the international department.
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I don't have it right in front of me, but, it's on the Telegram group if you wanna come. But when I find it, I can share it. Okay. And that's nationalstatusfreedom.
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Yes. .No.
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Nationalstatusfreedomin Telegram. Freedom on Telegram.
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Okay. Yeah. And and the link is on the matrix docs. You can just click on it, and then I'll look for you to say, hey, Martha. It's it's, it's, Gary or Dave. And, my on Telegram, I'm showing as MX. Okay? So just look out for a message for me.
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Okay. Fantastic. Thank you, Martin. Okay. Thank you. Alright. You're welcome.
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William in Augusta.
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Hey, William. Yes, sir. Hey. With this with these notices, what I think is happening is, when we fill out a w four or a w nine, those are for US persons. So that income is reported to the IRS as as US income. And if they don't have a return to match those reports with, then that's a problem.
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Yeah. I think that's what's going on, Dave.
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So so I think the best thing to do, and what I did for for 2023 and 2024 when I started getting these notices was gather up all all my tax documents, my ten ninety nines, my w twos, and, attach them to a zero ten forty n r return and submit that. And that that way, they have a return, you know, to associate those tax documents with. And, you know, I heard the other day that somebody's got forwarded to Ogden, Utah, the frivolous filing department. But this is not a frivolous filing. If you look in there, there's, they do have an argument saying, oh, I'm a state citizen.
The petitioner says he's a state citizen. And they said, well, the constitution confers both, on you and the fourteenth amendment. But you can choose which one you're gonna be if you go through the right right pathways, and they don't really seem to argue it. It sounds like Merkha said they they dropped it in that particular case. So that's my suggestion is to go back those tax years and file a ten forty n r that's zeroed out and then attach any tax forms you have from that year, and then they can and make sure you use the proper year form. So if you're filing for 2022, use a 2022 n r and a 2022 Schedule OI, which is other information. They want to know what country you're from.
And then use a Schedule NEC, which is what Mark kind of disagreed on this. But I just report this income that I received that was reported to them as being connected to The U. S. Is not connected to The U. S. And I put that schedule NEC showing all my 1099s, W2s. You could even report cash payments because I'm thinking banks use whatever is on your transcript, IRR's transcript to determine your income. So I'm gonna kinda test this in the future and see, you know, if if the income that I report online one k, which is nontaxable on the, $10.40 NR would actually show up, as income, just not taxable.
So that that that's my suggestion. Maybe we could kind of head this off at the past if, if we all just started filing zero ten forty n r's. I know a lot of people feel like that might not be for them, but, I think that would that would that would fix the situation in the computer, and it would it would force them to change their status.
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone float that approach, William. But it sounds like a good approach. It's interesting for sure.
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Fantastic.
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Thank you. Thank you, William. Yeah. I sent mine I sent mine in about two months ago. I haven't heard anything back. You know, it takes it took them six months to send me that You know, after I sent them notice, they just, they forwarded that to Ogden, Utah, and then they sent me the frivolous filing arguments and, that they thought that any claims that I were I was making were frivolous. And, you know, I rebutted that, but, you know, we don't have to rebut that. But I think, ultimately, if if we force them force their hand by filing a return, a ten forty n r as nonresident aliens, even though it's a zero return, it forces them to put that in in their system.
So that's that's my theory. That's a good idea.
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Thank you. Thank you, Williams.
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Mhmm.
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Comment?
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Paul? Ask them to consider. They consider in their in their, tax code, they consider a any ten forty form with zero, owed or zero income to be frivolous. Right? That that qualifies as one of the things they look for to see if a filing was frivolous or not.
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That makes sense. Yeah. I think that's why they forwarded that one over to Ogden.
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Oh, I promise you. That's why it was.
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Maybe they'll review that in Ogden, and then, you know, they'll they'll go ahead and process it because they they don't have a reason not to.
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And that's funny. It's like it's like it's like doing that, what you just said, and not filing anything at all are the same thing. Except filing it just buttresses the silent position.
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Okay. Just just quickly, Roger.
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We we are not gonna turn it off. Okay. No whistler today. To you. Nobody's trying to shut you out. Just hold on. Okay. Yeah. We have no whistler today. I I've been Okay. Chasing my tail so far, so I forgot to turn that off.
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Yes to be in. Yes to be in. Oh, by the way, Mark,
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Mark Mark's, mother had a, a medical issue this morning. It was mild, but he will not be able to join us on the show today. Today. Okay. I kinda feel he's dealing with that.
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Yeah. Roger, so,
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for Gary. Yep. And, just, we we do want to rebut the the taxpayer, definition
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being, addressed to us. But it's all this. MRCA. MRCA. There are two types of taxes we're responsible for. So we are taxpayers if we have that type of income. It's not just this blanket, not taxpayers, argument you hear out of the patriot community.
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Well, they consider us a nonresident alien, and, that's what we need to state. It's a nonresident alien, and their definitions also say non US citizen. So those are two that we can tell them that what we are. And one one other thing I wanna mention.
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Okay, William. If if rather than filing the w four with your employer, you should be filing a w a b e n. And if you're a contractor, rather than filing a w nine, you should be submitting a form eighty two thirty three to them in place of that, and those are nonresident alien forms. Yeah. So that way that way, those incomes don't get reported. And the the payee can still take the deduction even though the income isn't reported. So that Now that's forms we need to be using.
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That's when the best start approaches that we've come across. W a go ahead. Repeat that, William, for Annie, please. It's a it's a w a b e
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n, and you may get some pushback from your employer. I know some employers don't wanna accept it. However, I told my, employer to tell the accountant I'm a nonresident alien, and then they went ahead and and filed it for me.
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Okay. WABAsInBobEAsInEdwardNAsInNancy?
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That's correct. Yes. Thank you. And then and then if you're a contractor, where you normally fill out a w nine, you need to use a form eight two three three. And that's the same thing as a as a w nine, but it's for nonresident aliens.
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Saying the VEN is for beneficiary?
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Yeah. That's that's correct.
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K.
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And then the foreign country, you just put United States Of America. Same thing.
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Yeah. NR. Yeah. Mhmm. Alright.
[01:02:57] Unknown:
I did have a question, circling back, if I might, on the revocation of election. I've never filed one, and I just went through the affidavit process back in '19. I never I never went through the revocation of election. Is that a one time thing, or was I getting Yes. A a a purely
[01:03:16] Unknown:
recon No. Dave, don't do it. Don't even think about it. It's just too mired now. Okay. In fact, one of our listeners called the IRS line about it, and some lady who started yelling, you're gonna go to jail. We've got 500,000 of these things back here. So I I just stay I just stay away from it if I were you, really.
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Yeah. Okay. Alright.
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Yes. At the end of the day, what matters is what you know, if they have income reported to you and you're presumed to be a US citizen, then you're gonna have to file something, that that forces them to process it, and the ten forty n r is one of those. But you can kind of head this off at the past by not even having reported income to you by using the WABN or the, the other form, the eighty two thirty three.
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Okay. Okay. Thank you.
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Okay. Question. Okay. Question. Yes, ma'am. Is that Anne again? Anne Anna or Annie? Julie. Julie. Well, I know you are. Yes, ma'am. What can we do for you? Hey. I have a question for William. William,
[01:04:28] Unknown:
so if you're if you filed a revocation of election with the IRS and you're still a US citizen, how does that work?
[01:04:36] Unknown:
The way I understand it is the revocation of election is for married couples. If you're married to a nonresident alien spouse and you've been treating that spouse as a US citizen and you don't wanna treat the spouse as a US citizen going forward, that's that's my understanding as as to when revocation of election is used. I know Larry said it couldn't just be that, but, all the reading that I've done on those sections of the code relate to Wow. How you treat a nonresident alien spouse.
[01:05:10] Unknown:
But what if you're single and you're a US citizen and you file a revocation of election with The United States, and you're not a national or a revocation of election with the IRS
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and you're not a national. How does that work? I think you get this definition on revocation of election. When I use it, I'm using it, Julie, the way that John and Glenn used it and that's how I associate it. That means that you filed you'd already filed the affidavit, which we didn't do correctly. But once you've done that and changed statuses, even though we didn't know we didn't actually do that, then we could apply for three years back. And that's the revocation. That's what I understand. Not sending the IRS the original notice, any of that stuff. And I think what's happening here is my use of that and understanding of it, using it, other people are using it with different approaches, and the definition is not the same.
I I that's what I think is causing the confusion here. Okay?
[01:06:13] Unknown:
Does that make sense? Thank you. I yield. I yield. Yeah. Thank you. I took a tax repairs course. It was long ago, twenty ten. But we always said you were electing income for taxation. You're you're making this election. You're electing to be treated as married, single. That was the election that you made. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So that's that's the way I think we had it to represent. Well and filling out the form and signing it under penalty of perjury confirmed that. Yep. And if you look at that w nine, at the bottom, it says signature of US person. Oh, yeah. The w the w four doesn't say US person on it, but I think the presumption is that you are. But if you're using that form and not a WAVEN.
[01:07:03] Unknown:
Right. It would be. The presumption would be in effect in full force. So could because to correct it, you've gotta go back and file an affidavit and go through our process. So, well, well, you can understand why I didn't like taxes too much. Well, evidently, you liked it. You, get into looking at this stuff, digging in it and stuff. It drove me crazy. Hence I was Hence I was a here we are in entrepreneurship.
[01:07:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I've got a degree in Hey, Roger. And and they would just give us that line on the income statement. Here's how much the company pays in taxes. And I'm like, well, where did this number come from? You know, this could be a sizable number. What can you do to mitigate that number? And, and so I, you know, I was always self employed, so I just I said, I'm gonna figure this out on my own. So I took a tax preparers course just so I would know all the loopholes and, and deductions you could take as a, you know, as a sole proprietor. You're, you know, running your own business.
[01:08:04] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Where'd you go to school, William? Hey, Roger.
[01:08:07] Unknown:
Imperial Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach.
[01:08:10] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. Yes, Bob?
[01:08:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Just to muddy the waters. Oh, good. You know, Weiss yeah. You you you you love taxes so much. I had to bring this up. You know, Weiss Paris process actually worked. I don't know if it continued to work over time. But he was successful with that, and he didn't know a thing about being a noncitizen. I mean, he he No. That never came up in any of the stuff he had. So They know nothing about anything in that Just a point
[01:08:38] Unknown:
Well, that's that's my point. Yeah. I just Well, Joe Lusticka Yep. Ran across a couple of years ago. One of the representatives that used to Weiss is dead. Okay. Or Perez. Right. Correct. And she still worked in the program and she didn't know anything about nationals at all. And I can also tell you, well, I can give you a little behind the scenes here. Thumper, contacted me, and he had studied that extensively for a year or two and went ahead and did it off their website. And now the IRS is banging him. And this is about a year or two ago. I don't know what he ever did with it, but he was bitching because he had gone to Brent. And Brent suggests he's got some friends that are, daddy and son law firm. I don't remember their name.
And he was using them, and he's going, well, hell. I just got a bill for $15,000. I can't afford that kind of money. So that's the last time I ever talked to him about it, but the IRS was after him.
[01:09:39] Unknown:
I see. Was that was that after you,
[01:09:43] Unknown:
dismissed yourself from his show? I think it was shortly along the same time, maybe shortly before right I see.
[01:09:51] Unknown:
I was just curious.
[01:09:52] Unknown:
Yep. Good old thumper, We wish him the best.
[01:09:56] Unknown:
Yep. Ride that bike boy. Who else?
[01:09:59] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Dad, dig a childhood number two.
[01:10:07] Unknown:
Something like that.
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a dream last night about me riding motorcycles around. Yes. Mirka. Yes.
[01:10:15] Unknown:
Just wanting to double check with William the form for the contractors with 8233. Right?
[01:10:22] Unknown:
Yeah. 8233.
[01:10:25] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. Thank you.
[01:10:27] Unknown:
Yeah. So who else has got some? We got any new folks in the background that have just been trying to absorb all this? We're kinda in-depth in the IRS code today a little bit and how we deal with it to, further unencumber ourselves from the, absolutely totally slaving United States federal government.
[01:10:45] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger.
[01:10:46] Unknown:
Is there somebody right there? William. Yeah.
[01:10:50] Unknown:
William, are you still flying actively, or are you retired?
[01:10:53] Unknown:
No. No. I'm active.
[01:10:55] Unknown:
You're active? Okay. I'm just curious.
[01:10:57] Unknown:
Mhmm. Thank you, sir. Did I hear a faint voice there, somebody that might wanna say hello? Say hello. Good morning, Roger. Jack, you're gonna have to really talk into your microphone or something. You're very faint. Very faint. Is this better? A little bit. A little bit. Hi. Hi. Usually when I call, I'm usually too loud. So I'm literally Oh, now you're good. Right there. You're good there. Right there is good. Okay. Okay? Who who are we talking with? Who are we talking with? Good morning, Roger. This is Frank from Colorado. Good to talk with you again, sir. Frank, my goodness gracious. It's been a while. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
[01:11:34] Unknown:
Just wanted to since the talk was about the IRS and all this, I just wanna let, people know. I I've gotten this week my probably my seventh correspondence from the IRS. And it's, it's no big deal. No anxiety when I see it because I know how to deal with it, and I just gotta get another letter back out to them. But my impression of this is that literally the IRS does not know either what they're doing or how to handle all the stuff that we're hitting them with. And what I mean by that is in the past, I've gotten several of the CP, whatever, 59, eighteen, sixty nine, high cut, whatever ones.
And it usually generates a letter after that because I'm sending these letters usually to the Austin, Texas office. I think one time it was to Ogden. The most recent one, it references my most recent letter to them from October 28 that I sent to them. Thank you for your inquiry, blah blah blah. And then they say we're sending you this letter because the address shown at the end of this letter because they're the ones responsible for collecting the the the amount you owe. So I send all of these response letters to the heading, but yet when I send it to them, they don't know what's going on, and they refer it to another office, and I get a letter generated from a different office referencing that previous correspondence.
What I'm getting at is they don't know what they're doing, Roger. I don't think they understand this process. And furthermore, they don't know how to handle it and they keep shuffling it off. But Well I don't know. I'm expecting another letter again, so it's no big deal. I just keep addressing them. They're either on their fifth or sixth commissioner
[01:13:22] Unknown:
since Trump got into office. I think the guy that's overseeing all of it even more directly now is, the secretary of the treasury who the IRS is under. So, anyway, I don't know what did you hear Mark talk about calling that number and seeing if anybody could work with you that way or whatever? I'm sorry. I think Frank's exactly right. They don't know what to do with this.
[01:13:50] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Thank Roger, they got rid of a lot of people from the IRS too, and then maybe it's the new employees that are not trained correctly.
[01:13:57] Unknown:
Very well, it's very easy. Call would be better. Yeah. Even with the trained ones, you could call 10 of them and ask the same question. You get 10 different answers. Who was saying, hey, Roger there? That's William. I I filed that one five one zero three form form,
[01:14:12] Unknown:
twice. Yes. And then on the second time, I electronically filed it filed it. And, that's what triggered the letter from from California that said, hey. We we got your correspondence. We got your +1 51033, but we have questions because it doesn't make sense because we have a mortgage interest statement. We have some ten ninety nines. We have a w two. We have all this income to you, but you're saying you're not a US citizen. We need more information. Okay. And so and so that form doesn't necessarily work work because they're saying that I need to file a return. So I just I just obliged them and went ahead and filed zero ten forty n r. And I think Oh, that's That's what we have to do.
[01:14:57] Unknown:
Okay. Well, let us know if you get a response from them on that proposed frivolous filing penalty. I don't think they got a leg to stand on. So you may not even hear back from them, William. But if you do, please let us know. William, you you need
[01:15:13] Unknown:
you need to ask them if they can define income income given the fact that the Supreme Court can't.
[01:15:19] Unknown:
Well, that's true. Well, you know, if they if you got a form if you got a form filed on you on your social showing that, if you've filled out a w four in the past or filled out a w nine or or you get a mortgage interest statement, they're gonna they're gonna associate that with you and and presume you're a US citizen because those things required you to be.
[01:15:45] Unknown:
Say that again?
[01:15:49] Unknown:
So the so the the IRS letter I got that we we received your 1415103. However, we have ten ninety nines. We have we have a mortgage interest statement. We have, all this income associated with you. We we feel you've made a mistake, and you still need to file a return.
[01:16:14] Unknown:
In fact, you are a citizen. You have no choice.
[01:16:17] Unknown:
Right. So I went ahead and and obliged them and filed a return, a ten forty n r. There you go. 01.
[01:16:24] Unknown:
So, You know what? I think that's a checkmate move, William.
[01:16:29] Unknown:
Yep. So we'll and and I I associated those forms with it and then put them on their schedule as not effectively connected with The United States. So I I think that's right. I think that's what we're ultimately gonna have to do to to stop these letters in a trap.
[01:16:47] Unknown:
Well If I may?
[01:16:49] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. Hey, Raj. Hold on. The premium
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is no rush.
[01:16:55] Unknown:
Hold on. Yes, ma'am. I'd like to agree with him on that $10.40 n r and Is this Muse? Make a notation.
[01:17:01] Unknown:
Is this Muse? This
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is Michigan.
[01:17:06] Unknown:
Yes. Okay.
[01:17:07] Unknown:
Pam. So I just wanted to say that I agree with that $10.40 n r, suggestion and maybe even, slip in there the affidavit or just let them know if you're gonna send it to a third party that don't know what to do with it. Just send it right to the treasury for the summary and the, the return to return and give them your, location where you'd like to have that, matter, returned to in regards to the money.
[01:17:37] Unknown:
That's what I would agree with. Ideal. Yeah. I I included a copy of my affidavit and a short cover letter with the return. I didn't just wanna hold, send down a $10.40 n r because they're they're gonna think that's frivolous.
[01:17:50] Unknown:
Right. No. I I I think you've got a checkmate. I think yes.
[01:17:58] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Yes, sir. In Colorado.
[01:18:01] Unknown:
Oh, hey, Jack.
[01:18:03] Unknown:
Can can you hear me alright?
[01:18:05] Unknown:
I babe, about halfway.
[01:18:08] Unknown:
Okay. I'll try to talk louder. I just wanted to give an update and kinda clarify that revocation of election. I did some reading on it just like William and Larry have. And, basically, the situation is that if you're a nonresident alien and you're married to a US citizen, you can elect to be taxed as a US citizen so you guys can get that, married filing jointly discount or credit. So there's language in the IRC that says you can elect to go back to being treated as a nonresident alien if you want to. And if you do that, you could even go back two extra years to get refunds back because you are a nonresident alien. But what that's all about is being from a foreign country. This all this language is for people that are from a foreign country. So, like, two years ago, three years ago, they truly were nonresident aliens, but we are we were not. So that's why I feel like we're not getting those two or three years back regularly. And then when we do, I think it's been a nominal.
So I just wanted to throw that out there. Revocation of election doesn't automatically mean you're asking for multiple years back. It just means you have that option if you were from Iran and you came and married an American and were taxed as a US citizen for two, three years and you wanna get that back.
[01:19:31] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:19:32] Unknown:
I Okay. And I also pretend to be so
[01:19:36] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[01:19:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Not just wanna say I'm still waiting on my 2023. It's been over over a year and a half now. They already hit me with the filing or frivolous filing the warning this spring that I replied to with my affidavit and my passport, FOIA that I did, not a FOIA, but a privacy request that I showed them that here's the affidavit on file of secretary of state. And I haven't heard back from them yet. But I have another dilemma. My accountant actually filed my 2024 taxes for me accidentally without me knowing it and showing that I owed a bunch of taxes. So so I'm in the process now this weekend filing a ten forty x and a ten forty n r saying, hey. My accountant filed this accidentally.
I actually don't know these taxes, but I'm gonna be sending that out tomorrow. So it's been kind of a it's been kind of a mess. And Okay. And I can't get Colorado sorted out until I get the Fed sorted out. So Right. I actually I felt you know? So, anyway, I just wanna let people know that it's it's it's not it's not easy. Always.
[01:20:47] Unknown:
No. When comments to hear you. Well, hold on. If you if you got an accountant and you do this, let them know is the moral of that story. Yeah.
[01:20:55] Unknown:
And when can we expect to hear from your accountant? When is he gonna be on the show?
[01:21:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Right.
[01:21:02] Unknown:
Because he better tell him. If you wanna continue being my accountant, you need to check out this program. I understand this.
[01:21:09] Unknown:
Yeah. So who's the other person trying I'm actually having my I'm actually having my accountant work up my taxes and mail them to me normally as if I was a citizen so I can have paper copies on hand. Just in case, one day down the road, I need to go back and rewind all this and just submit normal taxes, but he he sent that in, without me signing it or anything. So I guess he has permission to do that. So I just need to go unwind that with the ten forty x and the ten forty n R showing zero Please let let let us know how it works out, Jack, please.
[01:21:44] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:21:45] Unknown:
Alright. That's all. Anything else or somebody else trying to say something? Third person there. Who was that? Yeah. Yes, sir. That was Yes, sir. Is that Tom? Is that Tommy?
[01:21:57] Unknown:
That's me. Hey, Tom. The stalker.
[01:22:01] Unknown:
The stalker. Yeah. I got I got that,
[01:22:05] Unknown:
that the truck driver friend of mine is listening. So,
[01:22:08] Unknown:
Oh my god. Did this I'm sure his head I'm sure his head's exploding. I'm sure it is too.
[01:22:15] Unknown:
Yeah. But one thing I wanted to tell if anybody listened, the one thing and this is from forty plus years of experience, do not ignore them. If they send you a letter, you must respond in some way, shape, or form. Do not throw it in the trash or just say, you know, I'm not gonna bother with this because that's the the worst move you can make. If they send you a letter, you wanna respond, yeah, or, or even respond like I used to do. Yeah. They send me a letter. I send them two or three back. Consent. Yep. I agree with that. I send them two or three back. Yep. Yep. And when you were talking about the, the the the the paragraph with the f's in it, If you ever seen the one where they change as long as the first and last letter of a word is correct, that your your brain will figure out that what the word is. Even if all the letters in between the first and last letter screwed up, your brain will figure out just what the words are. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. That's that's that's amazing. You know? That's an example of And what's the thing about the what what was the thing with the fly on the paper you were talking about? I didn't understand that. Have you never seen that? It's just a white piece of paper and in background
[01:23:35] Unknown:
kind of, where they can print a background drop of a letter in black. It's as says f l y. And you look at that and, by God, you can't see it. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. I've never seen that. You have to send that to me if you know where it is because I've never seen that. I don't have anything to send to you. It's just something I've seen over all years. It used to be around. So but if you can visit The first thing that came to mind
[01:24:03] Unknown:
the the first thing that came to mind when you said that was that I've seen some of the high end hotels and stuff. They'll they'll they'll paint a picture of a fly in the urinal, I guess, to keep guys aim correct.
[01:24:17] Unknown:
I've seen that too. Cute. Good. Well, Tom Well glad to know you're out there on Saturday. Do you have any, suggestions
[01:24:27] Unknown:
for No. The other the other thing is if anybody can if if if anybody can get on on, Reddit, I'm I'm banned. You know? They just they just just, for some reason, just don't like my comments and stuff, so I'm banned from Reddit. But if somebody goes in there and if you do a search like, I can search, but I can't comment or anything. If you search, like, revocation of election terms or any of this stuff, there's thousands and thousands of posts on there. And if somebody can get in there and guide them over to us, we might be able to grab a whole bunch of new people to, to figure out, you know, they're being screwed.
And but I can't I can't post. You know, I mean, some of the simplest things I did is, you know, somebody says, oh, I am I'm gonna start college, and I'm working on my, my age. So what's the first thing I need to do? And I put, like, well, the first thing you need to do is get a job and pay your own way. And they They got you out of there quick. You know, simple things. Oh, boy. They kicked my ass out of there fast. Anyway, I'll let I'll let you go and, hope Kaye's still listening. He's driving a truck today. He's one of those guys that work six days a week, but, he said he was, tuning in to the class. So Okay. He he's out there somewhere in the ether.
[01:25:43] Unknown:
Alright? Welcome. Sorry to get all this in complicated complex tax stuff that goes with the package, and, some people. My personal thing was, I mean, you know, when they stole that $35,000 for my house closing, and then had the audacity to send me a letter and said, well, you only owed us 30,000, which is hypothecated out of the ass. And but we took an extra 5,000 for taxes we think you're gonna owe in the future. Now I could have gone back to federal court, the tax they'd already taken, that extra 5,000. I had the, the the proof it wasn't part of what the tax bill was. I could have gone back to federal court and gotten $5,000.
I'm pretty sure you can take them to court, but the tax has to be paid or seized in this case. And and my thought was, I'm so glad to be done with these bastards that they can have their stinking $5,000. And I will go at it another way from the standpoint that they always make their worst enemies. And so here we are, and every one of you, I don't care if y'all apply and get money back, but just pulling yourself out of that debt system. This is their end goal, is to get it with all this hypothecated debt, $3,040,000,000,000,000 dollars, and getting that interest compound interest paying and you being attached to that as well as your progeny.
We pull ourselves away from that. We pull ourselves away from the sleigh that's got the heavy weight that we were pulling before, and that's gotta kinda freak them out. Of course, the more people we do that and do this, the more chance we got of causing some damage to these bastards. Right. But I don't ever wanna go back and get money back. I'm so glad to be done with them. That it that's fine. I paid my dues. I was stupid. For whatever reasons, that's changed, but see you later. Adios. Isn't that what they say in Spanish, See you later.
See you later is what that translates to. Go ahead, Marco.
[01:28:08] Unknown:
I just wanted to say, another thing too that helps, the rebuttals and everything that we're doing and being effective is the affidavit that we are using. Keeping it simple. Keeping it simple on the affidavit, removing yourself from the system. You're no longer a US citizen, so now you're gonna be under natural law. And just this one page affidavit helps you rebut all any public servants and the IRS, and even the state. So it's important to keep your affidavit simple.
[01:28:44] Unknown:
And and just keep good records. Everything you send them I remember a minute ago, somebody was asking, Gary, do you have this? Do you have this? Do you have this? I think it was Paul. He's going, yes. Yes. Yes. Have those records. Have them there. Just a backup, and every time you send a correspondence to any well, probably the only ones you're gonna get something from is IRS. So back you you get back a copy of my affidavit. This was sent on such and such a date, received by such and such a date by IRS, it speaks for itself.
[01:29:15] Unknown:
Right, Roger. And, what what it's what you're doing is, removing the presumption, and this affidavit is going to secretary of state. So all he needs to see is the re the correct information from you. The fact is I am not a US citizen. I am a natural, national under natural law. So, our affidavit explains that to them, and that's, you know, how you how it makes it effective.
[01:29:46] Unknown:
The secretary or his delegate. So have we got any other, folks with something they wanna say? Correction.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
Correction. Yes, ma'am. Whoop whoop whoop. I'm rewinding. I'm rewinding, Howard. Or sorry. I'm rewinding. I'm rewinding, Roger. Nos vemos means see you. Hasta luego means see you later. See you later. The way they okay. So you could say, nos vemos manana, which means see you tomorrow, or nos vemos bronco, which means see you soon.
[01:30:16] Unknown:
Well, they don't. Right. Because you you've learned it very technically, but you get in these societies down here and they abbreviate that. They don't say buenos, no chest. They say buenos in the morning, you know, stuff like that. So I understand where you're coming from, but I'm telling you, these Spanish cultures, they don't strictly adhere to those kind of rules. They modify it for the however they want to. Is that is that called colloquial? Is that called colloquial, down there then? Would be. Well, I don't know what they call it, but that's the way they do it.
[01:30:48] Unknown:
I guess this is
[01:30:51] Unknown:
there's many different ways of saying see you later. So nos vemos is one of them.
[01:30:56] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Marco. You should know. You're you're you you have mastered that language.
[01:31:00] Unknown:
Yeah. How do you say when your legs are straighter? What? How do you See you later when your legs are straighter.
[01:31:10] Unknown:
That's funny.
[01:31:13] Unknown:
Roger, this is the one that I'm Yeah. Hello? Somebody said something there? Yeah. It's William again. Yeah. William.
[01:31:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I just wanted to switch gears if out of the IRS stuff if you want. Yeah. I'd love to, please. Have you ever read, Andrew Jackson's veto of the Reconstruction Acts?
[01:31:38] Unknown:
No. Andrew Andrew Jackson was president in the thirties, wasn't he? Not after the Reconstruction Acts, or am I wrong? Andrew Johnson.
[01:31:49] Unknown:
Oh, Andrew Johnson. I'm sorry. There you go. Yeah.
[01:31:53] Unknown:
Sherry, lurking in the background. Go ahead, William. Yeah. And I'm sorry.
[01:31:58] Unknown:
Have you ever read his, veto statement?
[01:32:01] Unknown:
I don't believe I have.
[01:32:03] Unknown:
Oh, man. There's two paragraphs I wanna read out of it. This is the you know, he vetoed, all the Reconstruction Act, and, our tyrannical congress overthrew the executive branch by overriding his veto and then threatened the judicial branch, with numerous, legislative actions. One of them was proposed to require any justices that ruled on a constitutional act like the four teenth amendment would have to have three quarters of justices agreeing, not just a majority, which made it through the house but didn't make it through the senate.
[01:32:40] Unknown:
So there was a bunch of little fact little factoids like that show you that this was an extraordinary important situation to them.
[01:32:50] Unknown:
Yep. So they were, they were overthrowing the entire government. Congress overthrew the entire government, both other branches of checks and balances. They overthrew them. And Andrew Johnson saw this happening, and this is one of the paragraphs he said in there. He says, what we have here is a bill of attainder against 9,000,000 people at once. It's based upon an accusation so vague as to be scarcely intelligible and found to be true upon no credible evidence. Not one of the 9,000,000 was heard in his own defense. The representatives of the doomed parties were excluded from all participation in the trial.
The conviction is to be followed by the most ignominious punishment ever inflicted on large mass of men. It disfranchises them by the hundreds of thousands and degrades them all, even those who are admitted to be guiltless from the rank of a free man to the condition of slaves. That's the first paragraph.
[01:33:48] Unknown:
And, you know And then And he was thinking they were imposing that on everybody. Right. Is that what I'm okay. But it's clear that after that, it was Jim Crow that was a separation. It was evident.
[01:34:04] Unknown:
He says, while we are legislating upon subjects, which are of great importance to the whole people and which must affect all parts of the country, not only hurting the life of the present generation, but for ages to come, we should remember that all men are entitled to at least a hearing to the councils in which decide upon the destiny of themselves and their children. At present, 10 states are denied representation. And when the fortieth congress assembles on the fourth day of the present month of the 16 states will be without a voice in the House of Representatives. This great fact, with the important questions before us, should induce us to pause in a course of legislation, which looking solely to the attainment of political ends fails to consider the rights that it transgresses, the law which it violates, or the institutions which it imperils.
[01:34:53] Unknown:
Now was this written before the fourteenth amendment was falsely ratified or not?
[01:34:59] Unknown:
It was. Yeah. It was when it was when congress passed it, and then they sent it to the president for him to sign the Reconstruction Acts into law. Uh-huh. And then he vetoed it. And then they they overrode the veto because they excluded all the other states. So they for the states that were there, they could override it. So it's that's still kind of somewhat unconstitutional. But there was another, when they were overthrowing the judicial branch, there was another case, called Georgia versus Stanton, where they were trying to get the, trying to get the Supreme Court to prevent, the president from executing the Reconstruction Act, or from Congress from executing the Reconstruction Acts.
And, what they said in there, it just pertains, you know, we're always looking for, you know, how are the states involved? How are the states federal? But in this, they said let me find it here. Basically, because Congress was threatening them, the justices and the Supreme Court, Of Georgia. No. Of of the unit of The United States. Okay. They were threat they're threatening them with this legislation if they ruled on any of these constitutionalities, which is what they're there to do. And so anything that congress passes, they would deem as a political question, and they wouldn't rule on it, just because they didn't wanna get mired in a mudslinging contest and be legislated out of existence by the Republicans in Congress.
That's how that's how tyrannical Congress was and is.
[01:36:49] Unknown:
Yeah. What a mess. What a free just get What book was that? We have found the way to get the hell out of there. Get yourself out of it, and don't look back just like Sodom and Gomorrah.
[01:37:02] Unknown:
Alright. What was your statement there, Myrco?
[01:37:04] Unknown:
I just wanted to ask William what book what was the name of the book and who's the author, so I can try to look for it? If you look up,
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Andrew Jackson's veto of the Reconstruction Acts, there's two Okay. There's two vetoes. Johnson and then Johnson. Johnson. Johnson. Sorry. Keep looking back. Yeah. Andrew Johnson. If you look those up, there's two of them that I found, and both of them are outstanding. I don't know how many times I wanna say it was three times he vetoed it, and they they overrode him every time. But in this Georgia v Stanton case, 1867, they said a bill in equity is filed by one of The United States to enjoin the secretary of war and other officers who represent the executive authority of The United States from carrying into execution certain acts of congress on the ground that such an execution would annul and totally abolish the existing state government of the state and establish another and different one in its place. In other words, it would overthrow and destroy the corporate existence of the state by depriving it of all means and instrumentalities whereby its existence might and otherwise would be maintained.
However, this calls for a judgment upon a political question, and the court will there or will therefore not be entertained by this court. Would they agree, later on in the document that if these acts are enforced, then it's gonna overthrow the state government
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You put a federal one. Got that's why you've got a veneer. See, they can't get rid of stuff. They can't just arbitrarily get rid of stuff. So they just veneer over it. Yep.
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I just wanted to clear that that there's proof from the Supreme Court that the your state government is not the legitimate state government. It's a federal government that's overthrown your state government.
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Yep. Who's the female who's trying to say something there?
[01:39:07] Unknown:
Me, Julie.
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Julie.
[01:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm just, piggybacking on what William just, read. I stumbled upon this website this morning, and I have no clue how I got to that. It is called the Missus Institute, and the website is mises.org. Masinmother,ises.org. They have, like, 782 books on here, but most of them are for free, and they're PDF downloads. And if you see some of these books on here I mean, they've got books by, Taft, Rand Paul, all of this stuff on the currency that we have and the and the and the system we have right now. It's very comprehensive. I don't know how anybody would begin to read all of these, but if anybody's interested, I don't know. That book might be on there. They've got this one book called 33 questions about American history you're not supposed to ask.
But it's I couldn't believe this. Lessons for the young economists, teachers manual, just all sorts of very, very interesting books. And most of them are available in a PDF
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free download for anybody who's who's interested in here. So Do you know where I Do you know where it is? Did you did you see on the page where it's located?
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Well, it you just go to mises.org, and then all you can click on the menu button, but what comes up right on the front are all the books, and you can search for the ones. So I don't know if Andrew Jackson's is in here. I was gonna look if, that book was available
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on here. The website I think the website's associated with the von Mises Institute, and that's with Auburn, Alabama. They're the only Austrian economics outfit in the country, maybe close to the world. There's a few others. But, that's where that is. The website that is on a more day to day of, basis, it's affiliated with them, is called lourockwell.com. Have you been there, Julie? Lou, l e w, rock that's a that's an Austrian economics website. Lourockwell.com. It's affiliated with the Von Mises Institute. And that's all, surprisingly enough, out of Auburn, Alabama.
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Roger?
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Yes.
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They also have The Law by by Friedrich Basting. And that's a book Yep. And that's a book that everybody should read. It's a short, small page. There's, like, 70 pages, I guess, on there. Yep. I shared it with my daughter and her friends. So they're they're, like, very intrigued about it. Yeah. So it's a good book for everybody.
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That's very cool. Question. Great foundation foundational reading. He wasn't he was, he wasn't a lawyer. He was an economist. What? Who's trying to say something there?
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Yeah. What's the website? I couldn't catch it. It is masinmother,iasinindia,sasinsunny,easinelephant,sasinsunny,.org, missus.org.
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Mices. Mices. Mices.
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Thank you. Mices then. I don't know. Maybe I Mices, m I c e, so I call it He was one of the he was one of the founders of the school of economics called Austrian Economics
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that is, in competition and more in reality than than Keynesian, where you do deficit spending and pull stuff out of thin air. So that's the whole other school of economics is von Mises. Lou Rockwell is a website that represents that school of economics. So they have articles and stuff. Go over and check it out. It's a very good website.
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It's amazing website.
[01:43:13] Unknown:
K. And, Roger, this is William again.
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Yeah. William.
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Looking at this Diet v Turner case, and then that's where I came up. I cut you down.
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Can't see him.
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At the bottom of the, there's a there's a section that skipped out on Diet v Turner, and it says for a more detailed account of how the fourteenth amendment was forced upon the nation, the articles in 11 SCL q four eighty four and twenty eight T U L L review r e v 22. So I searched that, and then it brought up, LSU, Alabama Law School, all these all these dissertations on the fourteenth amendment. They're just outstanding. All these things from Tulane University, all kinds of stuff. But that's where I saw this excerpt from the from Andrew Johnson. And, and and some of these discussions, the one from Alabama University is is really good.
And there's one from Yale. I haven't read this one yet. Washington University or origins of the constitutional right. And, it it's just outstanding some of the stuff that you can find related to that research.
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John, we sure do thank you for taking the time and having the motivation to go do all that foreign report for us.
[01:44:45] Unknown:
The, there's there's a, that dissertation or expose that's on Diet v Turner was on a, another website, supreme was it supremelaw.org? But it, it seemed to be there was a section in there. It seemed like it was tampered with, and not that the not that the information was wrong. It was discussing, martial law and the labor codes, later on. And, but it brought up, you know, Waco and all this and but this decision was made in 1968. So I don't know. Somebody it seems like somebody tampered with it and inserted that in there. So I don't have a law library access, but I would like to see what the original document was, not one that was just posted, to this other website.
So
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Well, we applaud your digging. Right. It's it's it's unbelievable what's going on in the past with this country, particularly surrounding that event, the civil war or the war to bring in the civil law as Daryl called it most accurately. Yes. Who was that? Just sketch?
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Yes. Yes. Since we're on the reconstruction, topic, I came across something very interesting about, the immunity clause, for that is used by policemen. During during the Reconstruction, they had all their laws all all over the states, and the feds didn't trust the states. So they they they put them all into one, They they wrote all the laws from different states into one book. Right? I I guess it's this I don't I'm not sure what that's called. But they found that when they rewrote all the this professor found that when they rewrote all those laws, they didn't they did a typo in rewriting the constitution and, took out immunity.
And, so I put in the chat a video of the the professor and the lawyer discussing that, for a hundred and fifty years, this immunity that they the police use isn't actually in the constitution. And, so I thought it just very interesting that that that occurred. There was a typo when they rewrote when they during the Reconstruction area, they they did a typo and they polluted. Sure.
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It was a it was an intentional it was an intentional typo.
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Well, the professor says we don't know if it was intentional, but that's what they they claimed. Well,
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a couple of years later in 1873, we had a, event referred to as the crime of seventy three. Are you familiar with that one, sketch? I am not. No. But Well, that's when they were trying to well, they were trying to make us a monolithic one metal, currency because they can control gold. They couldn't control silver because the Comstock load was just inaction. It was the well, one of the biggest supplies of silver ever found, still silver there, and they don't want that because that's poor man's gold. And they wrote legislation, and somehow, between the legislation and when it got on the law books, one word was changed and it outlawed silver.
I'm sure that wasn't a typo.
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Right. Right. So it's it's very interesting, that this guy, this professor, you know, after many years of searching, found it and, and and wrote a paper on it and and and did an interview about it. Pretty interesting. Cool. IU. Alright. And you put it in the, chat. Right?
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I thought that's what you said.
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Okay. Yes. Who else? Yes. I did. I put I'll put in Raider Wrench too also. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Sketch. Yep.
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Got a couple of minutes left. It was really good to hear both. I don't know hardly if we ever had Gary and Dave on at the same time before. We generally have Gary. Dave is off work and in Texas, and it's really great to see both of you guys back and and enthused and, get over the whole
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deal with the group. I just wanna I just wanna say thank thank you to everybody.
[01:49:40] Unknown:
Yeah. You're welcome. You know, we're one big fan of Hey, Rod. Really. Yes. Who's that?
[01:49:47] Unknown:
Hey. It's Jack in Colorado again. Yes, Jack. I just wanted to share really I wanted to share some really cool tip with everybody that I think that you guys will like. And I I know you're gonna call me Wahid, but I'm gonna change the subject out of the blue. But, I did a it's really easy to do a FOIA to the IRS. And, basically, I FOIA ed what was on file about my citizenship evidence. You just go online, type in IRS FOIA. I think I did it through my id.me account or they made you create one, but you just fill it in online. And I typed in, send me anything the IRS has on copy about my citizenship evidence.
And within a week, I got an email back, and they had emailed me a PDF showing my original notice to the IRS commissioner two years ago. Yeah. He sent me back my full revocation of election that I sent in. And so now I have this PDF that I can print out. And when I send my ten forty n r here this weekend, I'm gonna say, look. These are the documents you guys have on file since late twenty twenty three, and I just don't know how they're gonna be able to rebut that. So I thought I would just share that with everybody. It's really good to do. Thank you. Good idea. See, there's ways we can hold their feet to the fire just like Jack was saying.
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Question?
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Yes, ma'am. Julie.
[01:51:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Why did he get an id.me account? That's your digital concentration camp that's being built, on a daily basis.
[01:51:24] Unknown:
Well, I originally got that so I could see the status of my 2023 return when I was trying to get my money back last year, and I just was checking it every day just to see if it was being processed. But that's the only reason I got it. But couldn't you just do a regular FOIA request without creating an id.me account? That is the most evil organization, and they're within walking distance of my house. You might be able to. Only reason I think I had to, create one or I did it through my id.me account is because they emailed me. So but you might be able to do it without just go on Google and type in IRS FOIA. You might be able to just do it right on their website.
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Yeah. Just out of curiosity, what kind of information did you have to give them to establish an ID. Me account?
[01:52:10] Unknown:
Basically, like, I don't know, probably everything they already have, my email, my social, everything that goes in on a tax return that they've always had for, you know, dozens of years. Nothing crazy weird.
[01:52:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Like, you didn't have to do a, picture one of the real ID pictures and all that stuff of your driver's license or anything like that? Okay. No. I don't think so. Thank you. I You do
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for login.gov. Login.gov is a nightmare.
[01:52:43] Unknown:
Login.gov. No. Thank you. Yeah. Then
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they moved all the, like, the FAA website. All all the government websites have moved to login.gov. So I have to utilize that for work.
[01:52:57] Unknown:
No. How you're not, you're you're you're not being affected by all the shutdown stuff. What do you think about the effects on aviation?
[01:53:06] Unknown:
Yeah. It's been bad. We've been buying the air traffic controller's lunch, at our home airport. It's just, we give them a pizza party.
[01:53:17] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, Roger.
[01:53:18] Unknown:
Yes, Julie. Roger.
[01:53:20] Unknown:
If you go to x, if you go to x, the, account is Paul Gold Eagle. At Paul Gold Eagle. He says the government is never opening up again. Recall that Trump said a long time ago before he got reselected this time around that you only have to vote one more time. But there's a lady on here, that, Congress will not open again for the next four years. Everybody should go and listen to that. It's very interesting.
[01:53:56] Unknown:
It sure is. Well, strap yourself in.
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Right here?
[01:54:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. Boring.
[01:54:05] Unknown:
Do you think that's bad? The government is gonna be closed for four years, right, which never open again. I have a comment, right, They they don't call us national. They call us the same group. That's how they call us. You know? What group? I the same group. You know? Because we are exempt from taxes. That's how they call us.
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Are you Exempt. Okay. Thank you. Exempt, Roger. Exempt. Exempt. Exempt. Okay. Well, alright. I'll accept that.
[01:54:41] Unknown:
I think, Bori, that I would the problem is all the people that have been conditioned to the government handout. They're gonna be the problem. People that are hardworking and this, that, and the other, and, pretty much everything still goes on in the business world pretty much. But it's those people that are the 42,000,000 that are dependent on that that are going to cause such problems is why I would be against it. K? So, anyway, that's the way I feel about it. Who else is, I don't know. That will be something if they don't open back back up. K? So we'll we will see as we go forward. I think Trump still got this the they call the nuclear option has to do with getting rid of the filibuster and some other stuff, and that, they they may try that and may have to try that.
We'll see day to day. Okay. Who else if somebody's got something to say here in the last couple of minutes? Sketch does. Yes.
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Congress will probably still be paid even though government's closed.
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And, you know, I had heard a lot of the government agencies had been closed since they closed for COVID. They've never really opened back up and went back to work. So
[01:56:02] Unknown:
Many of them are still working from home and not going in, all that stuff. So, anyway, I don't know. Just take a day at a time. I know we got a short weekend staring us right in the face. I'm looking forward to taking advantage of it. I trust y'all are too. And, it's just good to see, Gary and David come back and and know you guys are alright and happy to bring you back into the family here on a regular basis.
[01:56:30] Unknown:
We've grown. Roger, everybody. We'll try to take it easy on you tonight.
[01:56:35] Unknown:
Yeah. I know, William. That's I hope so. I just hope they're all right. Now sometimes, if there's a problem with, like, with Kelly, like they said in the locker room, this guy, Liz Byrne, has taken over, has been there for a Coon's age. And sometimes that change can be positive. You just never know. But, you know, we've had our problems with health and stuff this year, and I think, that that head linebacker's gonna be out tonight with an ankle thing. We'll see. But, yeah, I I appreciate a little leniency. You generally don't give it, but we'd appreciate it. So not our ear. Yes, ma'am. Right. Copy.
[01:57:16] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? I hear you fine, dear. Okay. So I was listening to, John b Wells last night. He had a regular that he has on a Doc Waterman who's a naturopath and also has the military background. I'm I'm I'm am I hearing an echo?
[01:57:36] Unknown:
Okay. You're probably hard, but we can hear you. Go ahead.
[01:57:39] Unknown:
Okay. So I'm gonna post in the chat, the show. It starts at two hours and fourteen in, and I want Paul, if he would it it is about a half an hour, but it's about some military things that are getting ready to happen that are absolutely frightening. And, I I think everybody should hear it. So I'm gonna post it in the chat. It starts I'll send it to you, Roger. Starts at two hours and fourteen in with a Doc Waterman about what's going on with Venezuela and stuff, but many more, much more impact so, globally. So I'm I'm gonna put that in. I my jaw was dropping, and, we need to hear what's going on.
[01:58:31] Unknown:
Alright. We'll do that if you would, Robbie. Thank you. And, everybody will be back on Monday. Hope you'll be with us, and, hopefully, we'll get through the weekend. There's a lot of very serious stuff. We didn't even talk about it today. I meant to on, what's going on in the economy. Many, many people say we're very close to a huge crash. We know it's coming. We don't know when it's gonna happen, but they're telling us it's coming. You've got a list of peep companies that are getting rid of employees that are staggering that I heard the other day.
I forget how many Amazon, all these big companies, tens of thousands or more of people being Roger. They're gonna be replaced with robots. Anyway, well, hold on, Julie. We're right at the end of the program, and we're gonna say goodbye to the regular audience if they're there. And we'll just be back again on Monday, and have a great short weekend. And they're gonna lay our bodies down, Julie, is, what they're gonna do to us, and maybe that's true. Lay that body down. Be back. If you're looking for freedom, come back. Ciao.
Julie.
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Yeah. It's tens of thousands from all these companies like Amazon and everything, but, 30,000 people from Amazon is nothing compared to their worldwide employee base. So Oh, interesting. It might seem yeah. Yeah. But there are a lot of companies, Apple and all these companies are laying off, and you are correct. They're replacing us with robots and Yeah. But I I don't know. We'll just have to wait and see what how many more layoffs there are and how this all plays out. But Robbie's right. The John b Wells, thing is very scary.
The whole thing about Venezuela and and what's coming is, is very scary and same thing. If you just go to YouTube and type in, Douglas McGregor, his podcasts are very unnerving as well.
[02:00:32] Unknown:
Yep. Okay. I'll see y'all on Monday. Have a great weekend. And, we'll be back licking our wounds Monday, William. So,
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one last question.
[02:00:46] Unknown:
Okay. One last question. Yes, sir.
[02:00:51] Unknown:
What has been talked about here recently as a FOIA, is that actually more more precisely a privacy information request? What's what's the difference? Yeah. Yeah. That's more accurate
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that they won't send information out on you on a FOIA because it's private. So that's why you have to tell them it's you and go in with a privacy request, which as I understand, very closely parallel to a FOIA.
[02:01:15] Unknown:
I have never done that. Is that is that easily done? I've never done it.
[02:01:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Supposed to be. It's showing his instructions online. He's gonna do it with the with
[02:01:26] Unknown:
the IRS one is that is called a FOIA for some reason. But, yeah, if you do a request to the Secretary of State to get any information back, it is called a Privacy Act Request. And again, it's super easy to find. Just go online and Google, Privacy Act Request secretary of state, and they have their own special page for it where you can submit that electronically.
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Yeah. 104. Thank you.
[02:01:51] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Okay. Anybody else? Thanks, Jack. Yes. There's Larry. Hey, Larry.
[02:01:57] Unknown:
Hey. So John Kennedy introduced two bills that would force members of Congress to forfeit their pay during a shutdown or put lawmakers' compensation in an escrow account to be paid out after they bring the government back online.
[02:02:16] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Anybody else got anything for me?
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Hey, Raj. Gere here.
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Yes, sir.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
Right. I I just wanna say I'm glad to be back. We're we're glad to be back here. And and I had a question for you. Are you not using Telegram anymore? Because back when your Hi. When your mom passed passed away years ago, I It's overwhelming for me, Gary. No. I'm not using it. I it's just overwhelming for me. Okay. Because I give you my condolences back then, and I thought, okay. Maybe you kinda scrub that whole app. So I've kinda figured as much. Just wondering.
[02:02:56] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Yep. So okay. And part of it is is my eyesight, I can't enlarge it enough on the screen on the computer to read stuff good. And I certainly can't see it on the cell phone. So I've switched to WhatsApp. So if you've, wanna connect on there, we can do that. Okay?
[02:03:17] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Understood.
[02:03:19] Unknown:
Alright, guys. I'll see everybody next week if we're here still all here. Bye. Mhmm. See you, Roger. All those times. Thank all of you. Love you. Ciao.
[02:03:31] Unknown:
Ciao, Raj.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
So, Paul Yeah. One of the things they mentioned last night was that the military has bought up all the Red Cross's blood supply as well as all of the first aid things preparing for whatever it is they have planned. And they're also gonna be using Walmart. I mean, we've heard this for a long time, but he said that by '27, the only way you'll be able to use Walmart is online orders because I guess they'll be using the stores for other things. But this is a big event that they are expecting slash planning planning, and we need to know about it.
[02:04:27] Unknown:
Mhmm. Wow.
[02:04:30] Unknown:
Yeah. It's been a long time coming. They've, they've converted, what, a dozen Walmarts into massive buildings with nothing but, chain link fencing inside in, like, separate areas. Yeah. They've done that. They closed them, under the guise of plumbing issues.
[02:05:01] Unknown:
But oh, well.
[02:05:04] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. So they're little FEMA camps.
[02:05:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Little itty bitty FEMA FEMA processing centers.
[02:05:15] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:05:19] Unknown:
What, Larry?
[02:05:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I was gonna say over the last week, I've noticed, there's this echo with a lot of different callers, and it's doing it with me right now. So do you know what's causing that? That's never been that way.
[02:05:34] Unknown:
It's, that's coming from my microphone and my speakers. Now try saying something.
[02:05:46] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. How are you? Yeah. It went away.
[02:05:53] Unknown:
Yeah. It did. I mean, some if people are, you're really loud. And the louder people are, the louder they are on my speakers, which is four feet away from my microphone. Normally, it's quiet enough that that doesn't happen. Today, the echo was not coming from me. It was coming from, Frank, I think it was. His his mic was open for a while. And the the quiet echo that was on the program then was him. It wasn't me.
[02:06:31] Unknown:
You're always blaming me, Paul. Joking. No. You you know what I what's interesting is that in the past, I've been super loud and I purposely talk lighter. And now, Roger and folks are saying I'm very quiet. So very interesting. But, anyway, I'm joking with you, Paul. Yeah. Good to hear from you. It's weird. No. It it it definitely was you that the echo was coming from because I muted you. And I definitely know and That that that that it is is is interesting sorry. Bad bad attempt to echo. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh.
[02:07:12] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Funny. Funny. Funny. Okay. Uh-huh. Right. Right.
[02:07:26] Unknown:
Russell Brand is live on InfoWars for Saturday's broadcast
[02:07:48] Unknown:
Larry, are you still on?
[02:07:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm here.
[02:07:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I'd like to figure out some way to get ahold of you. Seems like between, between Gary and Gary and David and you up there and me down here, we ought to try to get together in Orlando or something at some point.
[02:08:14] Unknown:
We'd we'd love that. That'd be great. That that would be, something to look forward to. And, yeah, it's so educational. I mean, I was so busy for so long, and it's so nice to be back. I've gone back and started going through the book again and just refreshing, and, it's amazing how much how much you can forget and and miss. You're rusty. You're rusty. But you've you really gotta stay up on this stuff. It it's still important. So violate important. But, yeah, we need, we need to get together for sure. I'd I'd like to meet you, and Gary would love to see you again. And
[02:09:09] Unknown:
Hey, Bob. Wasn't there, like, about half a dozen people in the Tampa area? I think there was a Sam. There was a handful of people in this area.
[02:09:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I'd, I'd I'd made some entreaties here, I don't know, six, eight months ago, and everybody was contingent on if anybody else was interested. And I finally got tired of anybody taking the taking the initiative because it was getting into my busy time of the year, and I just kinda dropped it. Oh, yeah. Right. Right.
[02:09:42] Unknown:
It's your alfalfa business. Right? If I'm not mistaken. No.
[02:09:47] Unknown:
No. No. Silage in general, mostly grass, but yeah. Has to do with forage. You got that part right. Okay. Okay. Larry, are you on in such a way that you can see the number I'm on?
[02:10:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I see your number.
[02:10:03] Unknown:
Oh, so sorry. I was talking to Larry. If Larry was on, I didn't know if he was calling in on the phone. Or I'm on a phone call.
[02:10:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Same here.
[02:10:12] Unknown:
I thought I gave you my number one time.
[02:10:15] Unknown:
I don't recall that. I could be wrong.
[02:10:20] Unknown:
Didn't I give you my email?
[02:10:24] Unknown:
Good question.
[02:10:26] Unknown:
I don't recall it. Do a search on your email because I think at one time last year, you asked and, I think I sent you something.
[02:10:35] Unknown:
Okay. Just check three. Investigate. I will investigate.
[02:10:46] Unknown:
Now does Jeffrey from Dallas does Jeff from from Dallas, does he ever, call in or listen anymore? Or He lurks.
[02:10:57] Unknown:
He lurks. He, he used
[02:10:59] Unknown:
to he lurks.
[02:11:01] Unknown:
Someone used to refer to him as g off. G off. Forgot who that was. Kevin. I think there was Theo from Tarpon Springs in this area.
[02:11:17] Unknown:
Who is he the Greek restaurant owner? Or I think so. That's what I recall.
[02:11:22] Unknown:
I associate that with Tarpon Springs guy. Yep. Because, that's a little Greece down there. A lot of Greek little little populous there. Tarpon Springs, but,
[02:11:35] Unknown:
you know, I like to drop by his restaurant, but, yeah, that'd be cool to get Oh, I gotta sign off. It's good talking to everybody. We'll You too. Try to get together. Sounds good. Take care. Bye. You too. Bye.
[02:12:33] Unknown:
Hey, Julie. Are you still out there listening?
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And, Paul, I I did like your, suggestion on a fee schedule for educating the administrators, not being able to follow their own rules and their laws and having to educate them. And finally, them acquiescing, to what their their are I've watched a video of a guy just putting in a foyer at at a city, And all he wanted to do is get a, you know, a return with a time stamp, and he had to spend six cops were called. And, and all he wanted was a time stamp, you know, recording of what he the what he put in, and they called six cops on him. And, and if he wasn't recording, then he would have probably been arrested.
So it's very important if you're doing any, requesting is to to to film and, you know, stick to your guns and then charge them, you know, for for you having to educate. I think that's a great idea. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you.
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Hey. They're not paying us for training. I'm sure they pay their trainers to, not teach them what they need to know. Yeah.
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The guy just had to keep repeating himself. You know? I've told you this three times. Do you want me to tell you again why I'm why I'm here and waiting and ringing the bell? You know? Yeah.
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Right. Yeah. It's not our job to educate educate them. Well, it could be our job, but it's not our responsibility. They should be educated to begin with. And you can bet their ass they will become educated if people start sending them $5.10, $20,000 bills. I'll bet you they'll figure out how to do it right off the bat.
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Hey, Paul. Did that, trust class ever get off the ground?
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Wednesday. Wednesday next week.
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Oh, so there's still time to get in?
[02:15:55] Unknown:
Oh, damn it. Yeah. Apparently. Just go to commonlawyer.com, send a donation for $30, and then send, in [email protected] a message with your name and your email address and then tell them that that donation was for the trust group for the Radio Ranch Trust Group.
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Okay.
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What what was it? And that donation was
[02:16:33] Unknown:
$30. Requested.
[02:16:37] Unknown:
So, if I don't have any cash again, or can can I send a silver coin to somebody somewhere?
[02:16:47] Unknown:
No. Not at this late not at late not at this late time. Oh, okay. You know, I've I've been trying to shut down I've been trying to shut down sign up for this so we could actually get started on the course for a couple of weeks now. Oh, I suppose you could sign up after the fact and you could, like, catch up or something. What kind of silver coin are you talking about?
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There is some kind of link on on his, comp a lawyer site poll about making a donation in silver or gold, I believe. And my suggestion there would be just to try to contact them.
[02:17:41] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Give that a shot.
[02:17:53] Unknown:
Because I'm pretty sure to make this silver donation, that's what is there to to contact them.
[02:18:00] Unknown:
Right. Wasn't that a silk? Was that an Austrian silver coin that I sent to you last time? I don't remember. Were those silver coins or 50 I'm $50 now?
[02:18:18] Unknown:
You sent them to who?
[02:18:25] Unknown:
The, the, well, I sent a silver coin to I thought it was you, but, that was when that was when, we took the the, militia course. That's how I paid for my last one.
[02:18:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I wasn't, I wasn't the one that coordinated the militia course. You probably sent that to Merka. You didn't send it to me. Okay.
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Thanks, Paul.
[02:19:07] Unknown:
You're welcome. Okay. I think it's about time to take the, stream down just so I can get, processing the archive and get on with my day and, get caught up on some things. So thanks everyone for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, the Sabadeau edition for, Saturday, November 8. Is that today? Wow. Okay. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. Our website is thematrixdocs.com, and, you can, use that address to, catch up on all things freedom related and stuff. Thanks for joining us. Ciao. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle. Now you're breaking the
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chase.
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Alright. Well, Alvin, Alvin, so would we, buddy. We we would like to change it so badly we'll get up on Saturday morning and come do a radio show to try and find people who wanna be free and see if we can turn the tide, Paul.
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Yeah. Go figure.
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Amazing, isn't it? Well, that's why we're here. We're here in case there might be some new folks out there that wanna be free, find out about what we do or the, or ask questions about becoming so, any of that stuff. Well, that's why we're here. And, we have a very for you, we have a very abbreviated, list of of helpers today on Saturday. They all take the day off for the most part. Nope. We're here at the wheel with our shoulders straight to it. Right, Paul?
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Yes. Nose to the grindstone.
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Yes. He says. The wheel. Yes.
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Yes. My, my kitty is just just being completely obnoxious, like, within two minutes of the start of the show. And all the way through the beginning, she she's batting me with her claws and everything. She wants something. I have no clue what it is. Some catnip? You got some catnip there? You're hiding from her? I'm about to give her some catnip. You know? There you go. Set as set her off in the corner in a catatonic state. Leave me alone, buddy. Oh, yeah. Yep. She knows where the treats are. She's she's loving up the drawer in my desk. We're on a drastically abbreviated list of platforms today. We're on eurofolkradio.com, thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network, both the audio platform, radio.globalvoiceradio.net, and the Rumble platform that is rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.
Our website, of course, is thematrixdocs.com. That should be nothing new for anybody that's, in attendance. The matrixdocs.com, that is where you'll find the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show. And this is Saturday. Come on down. If you're diligent if you work during the week and you just cannot join us, that's what this Saturday is all about.
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Yeah. So we had Alma and her, trove, I guess, her and her cousin and all their kids, and their husbands are out working dutifully. And I said if they're home over the weekend, they wanna know a little bit about this. We do this show, and they'd be perfect candidates. I was very impressed with Alma. I'm hoping she'll come back and talk to us. Otherwise, we generally, not not always, occasionally have new folks on. We've had some folks that didn't wanna follow our, our prescribed path here. That's not unusual. Julie's friend, Austin, who's a gold and silver salesman, and he came hung with us.
And he came back and said, no. I don't think I wanna do this. That's understandable. The early thirties don't know what all of the ingredients were that made up his decision, but that's okay. At least as I've said so many times, I think my part here is just to let you know that you've got a choice that you didn't know you had before we cross paths. And, if you wanna find out out more about it, I can explain it to you. It's, well, we got a pretty good track record. We've been doing this about fifteen years on the air or something like that, and we never had, one incident of blowback from the federal government ever reported to me through any of our students that follow the prescribed procedure.
Anyway Anyway. That's what we're here for today. It's a beautiful day in Ecuador. Alright. Morning, at least. Well, rush. The afternoons are always up for grabs, but we'll see. Yes, Paul? Yes, Paul.
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There's many stages to what we do. There sure is. Probably the the first and ultimately the most important is sending an affidavit to the secretary of state and getting a passport. Those are the those are the the critical things. You know, if you choose not to, drive with a private plate on your car, that's fine. You know, you don't wanna poke that barrier. You've gotta decide what hill you're gonna die on. If you don't wanna put the IRS on notice, if you wanna continue to dutifully pay your taxes and all that shit, that's fine.
All you have to do is send an affidavit to the secretary of state and get a passport. You can stop right there. You still have the protection of national status. You're still orphaned from statute, facts, and codes and the law of the city, and you just pick what hills you're going to die on. Just so it it would affect Julie's friend in absolutely no way whatsoever other than positively. It all won't it can't affect his job. It's not gonna get him on a blacklist with the IRS or any of that happy hoo But it still protects him from the mandates and the civil codes that, actually dilute his rights beyond any shadow of a doubt.
So He doesn't have I think we probably should have mentioned that.
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Well, if he doesn't do it, he doesn't dilute his rights. It dilutes his privileges because all he's got is civil rights. They're nothing more than privileges. Right. Let me check here, Paul, and see what, mister Gates says for me over here this morning. Oh, good.
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Florida. Yeah. Sort of. Okay. Can I say something really quick?
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Yes, ma'am. You were we're here for you, sweetie.
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Annie in Florida. I filed out my paperwork yesterday. I'm free.
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Congratulations.
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I'm finally free. Now, Annie, was Annie is this you and your husband, from Jacksonville. Right?
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Yes, sir.
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Okay. Good. Well, congratulations. Glad you got through that. Thank you. Now you should tell the audience you you and your husband saw some of this about a year or so ago when I did a presentation to the group that you attend in Jacksonville. A lot of retired there's some navy folks in there and whatever. And then you deliberated on it for quite some time, didn't you?
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I did. Yes. Went back and forth. I've read a lot of books in the interim and, and just spoke to other people that were from our group that have had success. And I'm just so blessed to be able to be a part of what I consider to be a turning point now in our lives, for real It it is. Real financial freedom and real liberty,
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The way that God has just wanted us to live. Well, that's true. And that's what we've led you to. You had to make the decision to move forward of it. And and I understand there's deliberation and and and people you you almost have to pinch yourself and go, is this real? And and if you do enough of that investigative stuff, you're gonna figure it out. It is. And it's a it's a wonderful feeling, and, I just applaud you. And and it was Plower? What was your husband's name? Annie? Is Annie there? Am I here? Are we anywhere at all?
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Yeah.
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Okay. I was flashing back to the Firesign Theater.
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You know? You remember that? Annie somehow got moved to Room 1, Paul.
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Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. Oh, now I know. Alright. That's what happened. That's what happened. Alright. Annie Because she's,
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yeah. Alright. Let me move ahead. That happen?
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It's, anonymous, anonymous caller's kid list and only room, and I thought there was a little something weird about that. Come on. Come on. Come on. Move
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to there. Alright. Thank you. Or Annie. Whoever else. Whoever else. Whoever else. Annie and her husband get free, and you you you put her over in a room by herself. Annie, are you there, sweetie? No. She's not there yet. Annie's in transition transition. No. Not that way. She's transitioning from Room 1 back to the main room.
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Well, she is in the main room now. Is she? She is in the main
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room.
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They just tune back. I don't know what happened what happened. No. There you go. We're gonna whip Paul. We're gonna make that cat send him around the house 10 times. Annie, what was your husband's name? I know it's unusual.
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Clayton. Clayton. Very southern.
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Say it again slowly.
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Clayton,
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c l a y t o n. Oh, Clayton. I thought it was started with a p. Clayton. Okay. Well, you and Clayton are into life number two. And, just, just remember, get command of the information and and where you can defend it. If you're ever challenged, the chances are you won't be, but you may be. And also to, explain it to other people, and you're very lucky. You've got the the I think it's Brian's group right there you're a member of and other supporting people. So congratulations, Anya.
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Thank you. Now I don't wanna dominate the conversation because I've learned so much No. And I listened to everyone. But, I just wanted to share that. I'm just so ecstatic.
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Well, really, really proud for you. And, man, it's just a a a joy. It's all you almost can't touch it, see it, or feel it. You know? It's all inside you. You've gotta be the change. Nothing else is gonna change. And, and and you work towards that end that you will become and start becoming re empowered. And you work at it, and you will. K? And, know this information well enough, and you'll be re empowered. So just I I can't say how proud I am of y'all, and thank you for very much for letting us know. And there may be some other people on the call here that are deliberating doing the same thing you and Clayton did. So, good on you. Have you got any other questions, Annie?
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No. I, I don't right now. I'm working with Merka, and, I just I I don't at this point. No. But you know the thing is gonna be the w four information. I'm dealing with changing withholding because my husband's still employed, and I'm not right now. I'm not retired. And so I wanna move I guess that would be my next step.
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Okay. I don't know. You tell me. What is my next step? Well, I would say I'm glad you got that in because at any point during the year, this is what we've been able to conclude anyway, that you file the paperwork. It negates you from your taxing ability, or or mandate for that year. So it's good that whatever you do in the tax area, try and get it done for the end of the year. It would be my suggestion. K?
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Yes. Absolutely. And I definitely am gonna need some direction. So I'm gonna We're right here. Hopefully be able to reach out.
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Okay. Well, we're right here, sweetie. We're right here to help you. So, thank you for letting us know. And when there's other obstacles or thoughts or whatever your your your query is, here's the place to come. So and hopefully, Paul won't move you over into Room Number 1 too often or something. But, anyway, glad you did that. Thank you so much. And, is there anybody that wants to say anything to Annie and Clayton here?
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Congrats,
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Annie. Yep. There you go. There's me. Thank you.
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It's Marca. Hey.
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Getting, getting an extra hour's beauty sleep on the West Coast. There you go.
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Yep. And then Ecuador too. Right? Yes. Roger, I was gonna say something about, what you guys were talking about earlier of people putting in an affidavit and taking their time, learning. So it takes time to learn and feel comfortable with what what we're doing because, we've been indoctrinated by The US system to believe that we had to have a permit or license to do whatever we not we have a natural right to do. Yeah. Like traveling instead of driving.
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Yeah. They can you they want you to call your your local city council. Can can I go to the store and get some groceries and come home? I mean, is that kind of obedience that some people think these people they've got over you. That's just Pavlovian conditioning. And I understand it. I was in there myself at one point. You will come out of it. If you just persist, Persist learning the information every day. Maybe start querying yourself to see what you do understand. But regardless, you'll get over it, and and the whole thing reverts back to this one thing. All this is your choice, not theirs.
You don't have to ask them for Jack Doodly Squad.
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Right. So what what people have been doing, before they become a national, they're in the public, and now we are in the in the under natural law in the private. Yeah. So it takes time to review. It's in their code. It tell they it tells you exactly what they're doing and who and who the codes apply to, commerce versus, you know, personal private capacities. And, that's that's the difference, and that's what people need to start looking into to feel comfortable with what's, doing the affidavit putting in the affidavit and feeling comfortable
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removing themselves from that system. And well, and then standing up, let's say we got some pretty important things right ahead of us directly, an economic situation and all these other things that they may try and enforce. They've gotta enforce them regulatorily. They've got to use an administrative agency to enforce their stuff. They can't do it directly from the UN. And so that, of course, is where we separate ourselves from the other folks. And the more of us that we can get down this path and understanding this information and uptaking it and and living it, the more resistance we're gonna give them if they ever start to to enforce anything heinous, administratively because we got numbers.
That's the one thing we really need is numbers. And, boy, I just fret over it all the time, and I don't know what to do about it. It's not necessarily that we're not doing the right thing. I mean, look, I was on Jeff Rents. Huge, huge well, at least I perceived it to be for my most of my Internet life, a huge nighttime three hour radio show. And we're on there two hours, two subsequent nights close. Not one person not one person picked up on this out of that audience. So you don't know. You know, you get these signals like that that go, holy smokes. This is really only targeted for a very small group of people. And I've it's it's been really hard for me to accept that. I think I'm there, hoping that something changes, but you see what I'm talking about? I mean, we're a very small group of people in relation to the people that have been exposed to this. So you'd want to think I would have always thought that the first time we got on Joyce Riley years ago, even though I couldn't explain it, you had twenty two hours of commercials and minutes an hour.
I would have thought that we would have had a line of people just, you know, go through the Patriot community quickly. And boy, it doesn't. And so it's been a surprise for me. Yes, Marco?
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The only reason people don't see it is because of the words that they're using. They presume that it's the same. And the legal word is what what has people fooled. Yeah. They're using the legal leads on on every everything that we we see out there, and we have to understand that. Look at the difference. Look at the What is it? Definitions
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of it. Yeah. I I mean, I understand what it takes to peel the layers back off the onion, but I would never thought it was would be so difficult. And it emphasizes how special we are. Was that William?
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No, Roger. It's David. Alabama. Oh, hey, Dave. How you doing, bro? Hi. Hey. Good. Good. Hey. I just you know, your your message is getting a lot of exposure. At least we're we're seeing it. And I just I think that maybe there's just not a good way to track it. But we see Yeah. We do we do see, a lot of folks coming. We even see vote folks coming from rents. The rents website to this day are coming to national status. Yeah. So he's got links there. And, to the gentle lady who is thinking of her next steps, just was that Annie, I believe?
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Yes. Our
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our path with the IRS is on our website on the nationalstatus.com or nationalstatus.info, and it and it documents our path with the IRS, which did work. And so, again, it's up to her how she wants to approach it. But the example on our website is is what we did, and it did work. We were able to get our withholdings back. No more filing where I'm a w two, employee, and that's throughout. My employer does not, withhold, and I do not file any longer. Anyway
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Dave, you know why Thank you for sharing that. Getting that. You know why you're getting that rent traffic? Because in the information I sent him, instead of the matrix docs, he'd announced and evidently still has up there your site as the main website. That's why you're getting that traffic, but that's good to know.
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Yeah. Yeah. And, that's cool. And we, if we have questions, we try and answer them for folks, but our forum is a good place. We have all the different subject matter that people can interact with others. And again, for any, if you go to nationalstats.com, you go to the remedy navigation at the top, And you hover over that, you'll see different links, and there's one called internal revenue service. And that's the one that has, instructions or, at least to what we did. So everybody's different, but it that does give an example of what we how we approached our employer and the IRS.
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So Cool. Thank you for all the work you and Kaye have done on that. And Mark on hers and Devon on his, and these are all just students who wanted to do something to contribute and have set up their own research, portal. So thank all of you. Those are all available not only to Annie and Clayton, but everybody else who would like. So that's good news. Thank you, Dave. Roger.
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Yes? Could I just say one more thing briefly? Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. I just had breakfast with three of my friends this morning, and I I've already planned a disease with them. And Oh, good. I said, why don't you just walk with me during this journey and I'll share with you what's going on. And so, they were intrigued and excited. And so as I walk through this, of course I'll be better able to communicate to them. And listen, what I, I'm totally in on this. Totally in. All in. I'm working my whole day around your broadcast. And then I spend a few hours after that trying to, you know, go back into the channel and read through, listen to the videos, read through the materials.
There's a lot of information and it's a little bit overwhelming, but I should try to do a bite every day and, because this is the priority in my life. I had to make it. I had to get to a point where I made it. This is the ultimate priority is to regain my freedom for my husband and myself.
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Well, Annie, we're just proud. Thank you. No. We're tickled to death for you. Well, you're very welcome. It's just a loosely knit How are you? We're tired. Well, just, stay tuned and keep spreading the message like your friends at breakfast this morning. That's the way you give back, and I would remind you what John Benson used to say from that podium when he was teaching us this stuff is he'd say, Annie and Clayton, the only way that I can protect my liberty is to help you protect yours. So I'm here to help you protect your liberties so I can also protect mine.
That's where the numbers come in. And every one of us that comes into this gets that mandate on your shoulders because you need to protect yours too and you want to, so you spread the word. In many ways, it's like a multilevel marketing thing. And I've no no no other way to structure it. You know? Yeah. One bite at a time and the commitment of me knowing how important this is for so many years because I've been messing with it so many years. And, man, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna get this information out to somebody come hell or high water. And over all these years, we've been able to we've been able to touch a lot of folks, I think. We don't hear them coming back and participating too much. They get it. They get they change their life, and they go on about, their way.
But some of them come back and check. You hear them occasionally here with us to get a recharge as Duane said a few weeks ago. And, we just love all of you. I don't know. I'd love to know the effects of this on some people if they come back and tell us those stories, but we generally don't hear from them. Occasionally, we do. Anyway, that's where you are, Annie. We welcome both of you, and, you know, come get in the team, you know, in the family here. We welcome you with open arms.
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Thank you very much. Hey, Roger.
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I yield. Yeah. I'm with somebody. I think you got something. Yes, sir?
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Yes. This is, Dave from Tampa. How y'all doing today?
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How are you? Dave. Oh, you came back. I go yeah. I've come back. I've got my brother here with me, Gary. And Cool. Hey, Gary. You went and spoken to Gary in a coon's age. Hey, Gary. Speaking of old folks coming back. Hey, man. I'm sure listen. I'm I'm sorry about your mom. I understand I lost mine a couple years ago, so I totally understand what you're going through. And, the one thing you can say for yours that I can say for mine is yours died free.
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She did. She did. Thanks to you.
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And Well, thanks to you. Spread the word. Their mother was a, y'all correct me if I'm wrong, she was a a regular staunch listener to the program here.
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She was. She was. She started slipping near the last couple years, but she was working there and early going. And, so, yeah, she appreciated it. She enjoyed the show, and and that's back in the in the I think it was bumper days too where we're watching you, you know, on his show. And and, that was really enjoyable. That's right. Oh, the thumper years.
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Yeah. Thumper did. Yeah. Bob Morgan came over. Gary, Dave, I think you were still in Texas, but Gary was in Tampa with mom there. Didn't Bob Morgan and his family come over? We talked on the phone. Right. Boy, Gary. Good
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good memory, Raj. Yeah. That was, like, late in '17, I think it was, and met Katcha came down from Idaho
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and, Bob and Bob and his Okay. Who's who's saying my name?
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There he is. There he is. Hey, mister Morgan.
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That's funny. I actually turned the call on, and I heard my name. And I'm like, what?
[00:27:23] Unknown:
What? Your ears were burning.
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How timely. How timely.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got Gary and Dave here, Bob, if you heard. And I was relating back to the when you went over with the girls and and met them, and we conversed and shot back actual video and all that stuff. It was very cool.
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Yeah. Yes. Yes. That was just my oldest daughter. My only my oldest daughter only, not all three. But, yeah, I, heard that is it Dave? David? Yes. And Gary both. Yeah. I had heard you on the other day and you saying that, your your brother got in the wanderlust and gotten the license to go jockey with the, Iranians and the and the Hindu Hindus out there. Pretty much. How's that doing? How's that going for you?
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It's the the jury's out. It Jury's out. It it's a it's a process, and, yeah, I'm just looking for the right fit. And, I've tried a couple couple, outfits, but I'm just looking for the the right one. So a little bit of hunting going on right now.
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Mhmm. Yeah. Well, I I admire your adventurous spirit. A lot of folks wouldn't do that later in life. I think that's very admirable. I wish you well. Thanks. Thanks, Bob. You know, the the best you know, he took mom past since, you know, they were so close because he was over here and taking care of her, and and he took, he took it pretty tough. And I told him, I said, you know, the best thing, you know, best thing to do is get busy.
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Yeah. No doubt. It's it's it's the best therapy to stay busy and helps you heal. Good advice. Yes. Good advice.
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Yeah. I was sad to hear of your mother's passing. She had a great spirit. I loved the I love that visit we had when we were up there. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Bob.
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Appreciate that.
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But I one thing that's going on right now that's that's a lot different in my life is, as you know, I filed back in '21. Yeah. I studied a couple years, and I filed back in in in August '21. And, my company I had noticed that my company through Oracle I know Roger remembers. My company through Oracle had had this deal to where it said exempt from taxes. It was just a checkbox inside Oracle under the the payroll section of Oracle. And so I said, you gotta be kidding me. And so I I just I checked it, and, sure enough, it was the next paycheck or a couple took a couple of paychecks maybe at my my withholding was was gone. My federal, withholding was gone.
And I was like, you are you sick? I was I just couldn't believe it. And it was a, you know, nice little shot in the arm. Yeah. And, and I just I was elated about that, and I went went on my went on my merry way. And and it it's been now let's see. What? Four years later, I got a I got a letter from the IRS saying I owe for back taxes from '21, '22, '23, and '24. And now they're they're they're coming at me with two fists, and, you know, I sent them I'm answered every letter. I've answered everyone on time, and I've sent them copies of my on everyone, copies of my affidavit, a nice cover letter explaining, you know, what I am again, kind of reiterating what my because I had a one page affidavit that went through the nine nine or 10 points.
And, and then now then they sent my company a lockout letter saying, you know, I'm not allowed to because I got because, payroll got in touch with me and said said, you know, you need to turn in a w another w four that's got that's got exempt you write exempt on line nine or whatever it was. Well, that doesn't apply because I retired in December. And then it was kind of a ironic thing that that they got the they got the letter the same time that I retired, so it really didn't matter. Do you do you mean December?
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You said this year.
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Of I'm sorry. December, well, this last December, last year. Deal. I'm so I'm sorry. Last year last year. And,
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2,000 You're feeling you're feeling festive. You're you're already in the Christmas spirit. You're already in December. Did I did I hear you say that you have been working in oil field related industry in Texas and Oklahoma?
[00:32:21] Unknown:
Yes. I was, I was did vibration analysis. It's come my special vibration analysis on gas compressors all throughout the Western Oklahoma and, Northern Texas area. And then I traveled up to Pennsylvania and parts of California and just just kinda Colorado, all those areas.
[00:32:42] Unknown:
And the I grew up in I grew up in Northwest Kansas, and I had traveled and worked in through the Panhandle and Western Oklahoma and, Panhandle Of Texas in that area with my yard listing. And so You know compressors then? Oh, I'm familiar with them. Not not not like you would be, of course. But, yeah, they're
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Yeah. It's
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interesting infrastructure out there.
[00:33:08] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Question, David. Dave, with your IRS problem, I'm wondering if it's the one they've attacked people on lately, a couple. We haven't had many. Where last, Saturday during the program, Larry from Jacksonville came on and gave a way to answer that. Because what they're doing is I think they're trying to sync you filing something along with what they would I'm I'm I'm confused about it, but you guys there's a there may be a remedy for you, Dave, and I think it was that Larry went over it in-depth last Saturday's show, I think.
[00:33:47] Unknown:
Okay. In fact, I I heard the show in my cover letter that that I just sent out a few days ago because I I had to have something into them by the fifteenth. I covered that. I Okay. But, you know, it'd be nice to get in touch with with Mark. I I've tried to. I know he's busy taking care of his parents, I believe, what my brother said. But I've I've wanted to get in touch with him, so I'll try to catch him on one of these shows.
[00:34:19] Unknown:
Well, he would be here today if he could. Saturday is one of the days he does come if he can. Have you dropped him an email at straw man? No. I have not. I I don't know that address. Let me give you well, let me give you his address. Straw man, straw man, just like it sounds, @mark,allcaps,.com. I think it's this form fifteen one zero three that Larry went over, and at least throw that at him and see if it doesn't satisfy him would be my suggestion. Okay? I had a question. But, yes, straw man and Hey, David. Okay. Hold on. Yes. Alright. Hold on. Hey, Dave. Yeah. Hold on. [email protected]. Doesn't have to be all caps. It's just that's the address. Okay. Go ahead, whoever's trying to get in. Did
[00:35:08] Unknown:
yeah. David, the, go ahead.
[00:35:12] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm just gonna ask David if he had submitted at some point in time a revocation of election. Is that something that you had submitted as part of your process with the IRS in the past?
[00:35:24] Unknown:
No. No. It it has it's not. I've I have not seen it. I thought I did, but when I went back and looked, it was just a it was just a format read failure to, fail failure to file. And then it had under there, I am not they had a checkbox on there that says, I am not a US citizen or or resident, which is extremely uncertain. They all know.
[00:35:50] Unknown:
So you you noticed you noticed the IRS with your affidavit, but you never revocated your election?
[00:35:58] Unknown:
Yes. Absolutely.
[00:36:00] Unknown:
So that might be what they're they may try and lean on is the fact that, yes, they they were noticed, but you never formally removed yourself, so to speak, with the with the, revocation of the election. Just a heads up on that.
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Okay. Alright. Yep.
[00:36:16] Unknown:
I I would throw in what Larry brought out. I think what they're doing with you has got something to do with the with not filing in on the back of them being notified or something. Anyway, see if it doesn't work. It very well may. It seems to have other people that form fifteen one zero three is included. And Larry went over it in in incredible detail as he does everything. So Okay. I'll I'll shut up. Yes. There's Julie Julie. I think Bob was right. Do you wanna follow-up on what we're talking about? I'll get to you, Julie.
[00:36:50] Unknown:
I wanna Well, what I was wanting to mention what I was wanting to mention was when Dave was Dave talking about that about that,
[00:37:00] Unknown:
I'm getting a heck of a feedback, and it's Yeah. Yeah. I hear it too. Somebody's got a mic open if you Somebody's I think is that better? It it it
[00:37:11] Unknown:
yes. It is. When Dave was talking about the drop down that had the checkbox for him to opt out Mhmm. You know, it had been there the whole time. But unless you know what you're looking for, you don't see it. Right. And we're programmed not to see things. We're just programmed to live as we always have. I was visiting with this friend of mine who was having trouble with the county on some zoning stuff that had been there for thirty years, but now all of a sudden, they've they he said, you mean you've been taking my money all this time, and now you're gonna come back and fight me on something because you realize you've been wrong this all this time? And you gotta go you know, all it's just I won't even go into all the details. But I said, so I can't guarantee you you can make all those problems go away, but I said I can get you out of it personally. And he's, you know, he's like that, dog in the RCA. He's Coxey's head.
Right. He's Yeah. He's like, What? Yeah. And I showed him I showed him the, passport application for all pass passports are available for to US citizens and nationals. And I said, you never you've got a passport. Right? He said, yeah. I've had a passport for twenty years because I do work down in the islands. He's a contractor. I said, have you ever seen that? And he said, no. I never seen it. I said, it's been there the whole time. You didn't need to see it. You stopped when you saw a US citizen. He said, yep. That's right. We're programmed to see only what applies to us, and we don't think outside the box. It's just human nature.
[00:38:41] Unknown:
Another real good example of what you're talking about there is you have you seen that thing fly on a whole o eight Yes. I have. White sheet of paper and it's black fly. And you can look at it. Boy, you just can't even see it. It's right in front of you.
[00:38:56] Unknown:
And once you finally see it, it's like, how can you not see it? It's like you can't see it. See it then. Exactly. Just like the ofs. Just like where you read the ofs out of a sentence. You know? I've you know, I was listening to a number of years. I was going back. I've been refreshing a lot lately too. I it's not that I got away from I got so busy at work that I just and there's no way I could listen because I was working rural areas. It's just I went back and I would periodically list on cast box, but, I do need to refresh. But, they that one of one of the things I was listening to is where there was a sentence that had the uvs in it. You don't The exercise. The exercise. Yeah. And you missed, like, you miss the l b s, counting all the s. It's amazing.
[00:39:43] Unknown:
That that is one I've seen that. I've seen that work in front of a crowd of very educated people, man. It's just incredible to me how they can put things like what they're talking about audience is there's a sentence. It's the thing that went around years ago. Their finished files are the result of something something something, just this silly sentence. And they get people up there and they say, count the f's. And nobody can count it correctly. And the reason is because when you see of, o f, your mind replaces the f with a v, and you can't see it.
Amazing. Amazing stuff. Thanks for bringing that up, Dave.
[00:40:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. But,
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it's nice to hear that. I know that before I'll get chastised. Julie? Yeah. Can I put you on the back burner too long? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Dave, this is Julie. She's one of our newer folks. She's been around about eleven months ten, eleven months now and lives right outside of DC in Virginia, unfortunately, for her now after this week's elections. So anyway, Julie, these are two brothers that used to be around Dave not as much, but Gary years ago. And then their situations changed, and we didn't get to I'd hear from them occasionally, but not on the air. So, anyway, that's what you got here. Gary and Dave meet, Julie.
[00:41:12] Unknown:
Hi, Julie. Hi, Julie. Glad to meet you. So Yeah. Nice to meet you too.
[00:41:16] Unknown:
I so you guys are nationals, and you didn't file a revocation of election. I'm in some other group, similar, to what Roger's doing, but different a different method of doing it. And, there are many people in these groups that have not filed tax returns for years and they are not nationals and then they will, you know, they are just recently filing revocations of elections with the IRS, but you know, every year, each year is a new year and each year is a new contract with the IRS and if you don't want to contract with them, you have the right to do so. I think it's safer being a national than some of these groups that are where the people are not nationals and they're just because of what the fourteenth Amendment states.
So, I I, you know, I don't know what you put in your letter, but, I might have Oh. I don't know if you've stipulated that you're a national and you're not a federal citizen, and you didn't you're not contracting with them. And you have the right to not contract with them. They can't force you into a contract. So I don't, like, know what you put in your letter, but that's maybe Julie? And I might have been in it.
[00:42:32] Unknown:
They were around before we ever got back into that, if my memory serves me correctly. That's that's that's that's true. That's correct. Honestly understand what we're talking about. Okay? Yep. So You're right. Roger. Okay. Well, let me explain to you what happened after the water with you guys went under the bridge. We're sitting here and it I was talking about it one day that that was the reason that John and Glenn originally formed this, is they could go back, check John found in the regulations, you change status, and you go back and apply. They call the application back a revocation of election. I think we get our definitions on that phrase confused at times around here.
But technically, the way I remember it was it was going back, and once you change statuses, you could go back with this process, and and they would give you three years of what you've paid in back. And that was part of the engine that the whole John and Glenn thing because they got a percentage of that. You paid them to go through the seminar, and then they would get I don't remember what the percentage was. It wasn't much, but they get a percentage of what you got back on that. The first couple of people that did it, friends of theirs, they're in Salt Lake area, got back big checks.
And then all of a sudden, the IRS realized what was happening, and they shut the gate. And when by the time I went through, shortly thereafter, I got $500 frivolous filing penalties for each one of those years. That is now $5,000 frivolous filing penalty. K? So that's what they're talking about. I was talking about it here on the air one day. One of our very sharp students, John, went didn't even tell me about it. Just went back, did all the research, filed it, and he said, I if I told you how much showed up in his bank account, you wouldn't believe it that people paid this much in taxes, but he did. And, all of a sudden, this copious amounts of, 6 figures show up in his bank account.
Cool. Well Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here, Paul. Yes, Paul.
[00:44:46] Unknown:
No. No. Go ahead and continue. Finish your story, but, circle back to
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me. And so, well, he, came on and started talking about it. And, told he told and and he didn't use that figure when he got back on the air. He used a greatly diminished figure. He told me that on the side later. Alright. Hold on. There's people talking, please.
[00:45:13] Unknown:
No. Somebody's unmuted. There we go. Okay. Thank you.
[00:45:17] Unknown:
Okay. Let me get my and, so then we started talking about it here on the show, and we had a little program of our own, where we were offering that to people, but we were never very successful at it. A little bit, but not to the extent that he was. And so, that's what they're talking about. And I know you guys never did that because you didn't even know about it.
[00:45:41] Unknown:
That's correct. That's correct. Okay. You you mentioned it early on, and it but it wasn't taught as a necessity. You know, it was more or less your affidavit process. And, you know, I think there was a little bit of
[00:45:55] Unknown:
a a process on the side if you wanted to. Oh, there he is. And see here, I I know we didn't talk about doing it because Mark wasn't on board yet. And and it's Mark and his paralegal ability, and he's gonna do do a lot of that paperwork and stuff. I'm not gonna do it. Okay? And so it enabled us to even offer that for people at all. And it worked for a few, but not for the vast majority who are actually going to go back. And I think you gotta have a ten forty x in that process, and you go back and get those three years back. That's where we've been blocked. And for people that had not filed yet and still had some funds from the previous year in the queue that filed a ten forty n r, they got theirs. Okay? So let's see check-in with Paul here and see what he was needing. Paul?
[00:46:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I have a question. When you filed your affidavit, did you get a passport at that time?
[00:46:52] Unknown:
Yes. I did.
[00:46:54] Unknown:
Okay. Now, did you send any kind of a notice to the IRS?
[00:46:59] Unknown:
Yes. I did. I I get put out everybody on notice. The sheriff's mind on every Alright.
[00:47:05] Unknown:
Did you keep proof of delivery Yes. Of your notice to the IRS? Yes. I got that. And you have a copy of what you sent them.
[00:47:15] Unknown:
These are these are very good students here, Paul.
[00:47:17] Unknown:
Okay. Well, alright. Well, then here's how here's how you do this, and this is not financial advice. You put them on notice, and you use the heading lethal legal, lawful notice, notice to agent is, notice to principal, notice to principal is notice to agent. Okay. You already notice them. Now what they're trying to do is they are trying to hornswoggle you into thinking that the only way that you can opt out of their system is to be a good little slave and use their special, extra, handy dandy form to opt out of it. You sent them lawful legal notice.
Send them a copy of what you sent them, proof of when they received it, explain to them that it's not your problem if they suck at record keeping, But you sent them notice and, you, you believe, them attempting to collect taxes from somebody who is not owed them owing them to be fraud and theft. Yes. Good. Yeah. And any further communication from them will be returned with a bill for $5,000 just for opening the envelope. Just
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be sure and be sure and tell them how much you love them there at the end. Okay? Yeah. Hugs and kisses. Bullshit.
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Yeah. You know, kiss my ass. K Yeah. KMA.
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Yes. Yes, Marika.
[00:48:53] Unknown:
Just wanted to ask, Dave or oh, it's Gary. Right? The one that's has the issue?
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Yes.
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Okay. So, did you call the nonresident alien line? Because you can easily fix the problem. Call me?
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No.
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That I've Okay. That I've never done. You could you could call the nonresident alien line because there is an error, I had to deal with, and I've been having our students in National Status Freedom Telegram, call the nonresident alien line directly, talk to the agent, tell them they've made an error, and this notice has been, effective, effectively mailed to the commissioner, and it should be in the system. But for some reason, it's not. So you need to correct IRS needs to correct their error and, put the affidavit and your notice on file so it's showing in all systems. And ask him, the agent, her or him, for their fax number where you can fax it to so that that issue is corrected.
And, Tom, they have they have Nice. I
[00:50:05] Unknown:
have never heard that, Mark. Nice. Never heard of them. Yeah.
[00:50:09] Unknown:
Yeah. What I did was I I called them, and I wasn't, you know, harsh on them. I just said, you know, I was firmly telling them they could they made an error. You know, they need to correct IRS needs to correct this error in the system and show it, you know, reflected in all systems connected and affiliated with the IRS or taxes and, update it with my affidavit, lawful legal notice and affidavit that was effectively mailed whatever date and, just send them. Like, can I please, get your fax number so I can send it to you so you guys can have that, that updated in the system under my file? Fantastic. So yeah. Reach out on, National Status Freedom Telegram, and we can guide you on whatever issue because we're always going back and forth about it. So, there has been some students that have been receiving receiving these, and that's my recommendation, for them to call is, the nonresident alien line directly and talk to them.
My experience was good. That that person went out of his way to make sure that everything was, showing correctly. They were missing some other data too. You know, old taxes. I had an issue with old taxes that weren't they didn't update it. They received the information. They entered the wrong information, and, it was, you know, they it just needed to be updated. So I handled two things, and then I send in my, IRS notice again to them. Nice. Nice. Comment. Yeah. Just reach out because we can go back and forth.
[00:51:57] Unknown:
You know, one one thing I did wanna mention too is, I we I did this, you know, when I when, I filed is just just just just for safety, grins, whatever. Gary witnessed me, get my affidavit notarized. He witnessed me mail package it in the in the envelope Sending them and and drop it in the mailbox. And then he Yeah. We wrote he wrote up an affidavit on that and got that notified.
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Good job. That's awesome. That's perfect. And Bob's Bob had a comment?
[00:52:38] Unknown:
Somebody had a comment. I'm trying to It's William. It's William.
[00:52:42] Unknown:
Hey, William. Hey, buddy. It's our fellow One one one more thing before before we go to someone else. Roger, I just wanted to tell this, Dave and Gary that, there was another student that had the same issue, and we didn't have a lot of the information. It was probably, like, two years ago or something. He ended up going to court, because they kept bothering him. And Really? But now we kinda feel I mean, we're we're more, we have more information now. So I gave him what we are doing. And, he went to court, and they dropped everything.
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Did he did he represent himself?
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Who represented the He he represented himself. So he told he he I mean, that's learning the information. Was
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it court, or was it an administrative appeal? Court.
[00:53:30] Unknown:
Tax court. Tax. Okay. I don't know. He just said he went to he had to go to tax court, and he gave them all the information, shown gave them the affidavit that was already on file, and they dropped it. They they fixed the issue. But he had a quote of court. We didn't have all the what we have now that I'm sharing with him and, and what we're what we're doing. So
[00:53:54] Unknown:
yeah. But Marca, give him the, phone number for the international department.
[00:53:59] Unknown:
I don't have it right in front of me, but, it's on the Telegram group if you wanna come. But when I find it, I can share it. Okay. And that's nationalstatusfreedom.
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Yes. .No.
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Nationalstatusfreedomin Telegram. Freedom on Telegram.
[00:54:14] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. And and the link is on the matrix docs. You can just click on it, and then I'll look for you to say, hey, Martha. It's it's, it's, Gary or Dave. And, my on Telegram, I'm showing as MX. Okay? So just look out for a message for me.
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Okay. Fantastic. Thank you, Martin. Okay. Thank you. Alright. You're welcome.
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William in Augusta.
[00:54:41] Unknown:
Hey, William. Yes, sir. Hey. With this with these notices, what I think is happening is, when we fill out a w four or a w nine, those are for US persons. So that income is reported to the IRS as as US income. And if they don't have a return to match those reports with, then that's a problem.
[00:55:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that's what's going on, Dave.
[00:55:10] Unknown:
So so I think the best thing to do, and what I did for for 2023 and 2024 when I started getting these notices was gather up all all my tax documents, my ten ninety nines, my w twos, and, attach them to a zero ten forty n r return and submit that. And that that way, they have a return, you know, to associate those tax documents with. And, you know, I heard the other day that somebody's got forwarded to Ogden, Utah, the frivolous filing department. But this is not a frivolous filing. If you look in there, there's, they do have an argument saying, oh, I'm a state citizen.
The petitioner says he's a state citizen. And they said, well, the constitution confers both, on you and the fourteenth amendment. But you can choose which one you're gonna be if you go through the right right pathways, and they don't really seem to argue it. It sounds like Merkha said they they dropped it in that particular case. So that's my suggestion is to go back those tax years and file a ten forty n r that's zeroed out and then attach any tax forms you have from that year, and then they can and make sure you use the proper year form. So if you're filing for 2022, use a 2022 n r and a 2022 Schedule OI, which is other information. They want to know what country you're from.
And then use a Schedule NEC, which is what Mark kind of disagreed on this. But I just report this income that I received that was reported to them as being connected to The U. S. Is not connected to The U. S. And I put that schedule NEC showing all my 1099s, W2s. You could even report cash payments because I'm thinking banks use whatever is on your transcript, IRR's transcript to determine your income. So I'm gonna kinda test this in the future and see, you know, if if the income that I report online one k, which is nontaxable on the, $10.40 NR would actually show up, as income, just not taxable.
So that that that's my suggestion. Maybe we could kind of head this off at the past if, if we all just started filing zero ten forty n r's. I know a lot of people feel like that might not be for them, but, I think that would that would that would fix the situation in the computer, and it would it would force them to change their status.
[00:57:54] Unknown:
I don't think I've ever heard anyone float that approach, William. But it sounds like a good approach. It's interesting for sure.
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Fantastic.
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Thank you. Thank you, William. Yeah. I sent mine I sent mine in about two months ago. I haven't heard anything back. You know, it takes it took them six months to send me that You know, after I sent them notice, they just, they forwarded that to Ogden, Utah, and then they sent me the frivolous filing arguments and, that they thought that any claims that I were I was making were frivolous. And, you know, I rebutted that, but, you know, we don't have to rebut that. But I think, ultimately, if if we force them force their hand by filing a return, a ten forty n r as nonresident aliens, even though it's a zero return, it forces them to put that in in their system.
So that's that's my theory. That's a good idea.
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Thank you. Thank you, Williams.
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Mhmm.
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Comment?
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Paul? Ask them to consider. They consider in their in their, tax code, they consider a any ten forty form with zero, owed or zero income to be frivolous. Right? That that qualifies as one of the things they look for to see if a filing was frivolous or not.
[00:59:19] Unknown:
That makes sense. Yeah. I think that's why they forwarded that one over to Ogden.
[00:59:23] Unknown:
Oh, I promise you. That's why it was.
[00:59:26] Unknown:
Maybe they'll review that in Ogden, and then, you know, they'll they'll go ahead and process it because they they don't have a reason not to.
[00:59:35] Unknown:
And that's funny. It's like it's like it's like doing that, what you just said, and not filing anything at all are the same thing. Except filing it just buttresses the silent position.
[00:59:51] Unknown:
Okay. Just just quickly, Roger.
[00:59:54] Unknown:
We we are not gonna turn it off. Okay. No whistler today. To you. Nobody's trying to shut you out. Just hold on. Okay. Yeah. We have no whistler today. I I've been Okay. Chasing my tail so far, so I forgot to turn that off.
[01:00:09] Unknown:
Yes to be in. Yes to be in. Oh, by the way, Mark,
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Mark Mark's, mother had a, a medical issue this morning. It was mild, but he will not be able to join us on the show today. Today. Okay. I kinda feel he's dealing with that.
[01:00:24] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, so,
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for Gary. Yep. And, just, we we do want to rebut the the taxpayer, definition
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being, addressed to us. But it's all this. MRCA. MRCA. There are two types of taxes we're responsible for. So we are taxpayers if we have that type of income. It's not just this blanket, not taxpayers, argument you hear out of the patriot community.
[01:00:55] Unknown:
Well, they consider us a nonresident alien, and, that's what we need to state. It's a nonresident alien, and their definitions also say non US citizen. So those are two that we can tell them that what we are. And one one other thing I wanna mention.
[01:01:14] Unknown:
Okay, William. If if rather than filing the w four with your employer, you should be filing a w a b e n. And if you're a contractor, rather than filing a w nine, you should be submitting a form eighty two thirty three to them in place of that, and those are nonresident alien forms. Yeah. So that way that way, those incomes don't get reported. And the the payee can still take the deduction even though the income isn't reported. So that Now that's forms we need to be using.
[01:01:51] Unknown:
That's when the best start approaches that we've come across. W a go ahead. Repeat that, William, for Annie, please. It's a it's a w a b e
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n, and you may get some pushback from your employer. I know some employers don't wanna accept it. However, I told my, employer to tell the accountant I'm a nonresident alien, and then they went ahead and and filed it for me.
[01:02:17] Unknown:
Okay. WABAsInBobEAsInEdwardNAsInNancy?
[01:02:22] Unknown:
That's correct. Yes. Thank you. And then and then if you're a contractor, where you normally fill out a w nine, you need to use a form eight two three three. And that's the same thing as a as a w nine, but it's for nonresident aliens.
[01:02:42] Unknown:
Saying the VEN is for beneficiary?
[01:02:45] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's correct.
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K.
[01:02:48] Unknown:
And then the foreign country, you just put United States Of America. Same thing.
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Yeah. NR. Yeah. Mhmm. Alright.
[01:02:57] Unknown:
I did have a question, circling back, if I might, on the revocation of election. I've never filed one, and I just went through the affidavit process back in '19. I never I never went through the revocation of election. Is that a one time thing, or was I getting Yes. A a a purely
[01:03:16] Unknown:
recon No. Dave, don't do it. Don't even think about it. It's just too mired now. Okay. In fact, one of our listeners called the IRS line about it, and some lady who started yelling, you're gonna go to jail. We've got 500,000 of these things back here. So I I just stay I just stay away from it if I were you, really.
[01:03:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Alright.
[01:03:43] Unknown:
Yes. At the end of the day, what matters is what you know, if they have income reported to you and you're presumed to be a US citizen, then you're gonna have to file something, that that forces them to process it, and the ten forty n r is one of those. But you can kind of head this off at the past by not even having reported income to you by using the WABN or the, the other form, the eighty two thirty three.
[01:04:10] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[01:04:13] Unknown:
Okay. Question. Okay. Question. Yes, ma'am. Is that Anne again? Anne Anna or Annie? Julie. Julie. Well, I know you are. Yes, ma'am. What can we do for you? Hey. I have a question for William. William,
[01:04:28] Unknown:
so if you're if you filed a revocation of election with the IRS and you're still a US citizen, how does that work?
[01:04:36] Unknown:
The way I understand it is the revocation of election is for married couples. If you're married to a nonresident alien spouse and you've been treating that spouse as a US citizen and you don't wanna treat the spouse as a US citizen going forward, that's that's my understanding as as to when revocation of election is used. I know Larry said it couldn't just be that, but, all the reading that I've done on those sections of the code relate to Wow. How you treat a nonresident alien spouse.
[01:05:10] Unknown:
But what if you're single and you're a US citizen and you file a revocation of election with The United States, and you're not a national or a revocation of election with the IRS
[01:05:20] Unknown:
and you're not a national. How does that work? I think you get this definition on revocation of election. When I use it, I'm using it, Julie, the way that John and Glenn used it and that's how I associate it. That means that you filed you'd already filed the affidavit, which we didn't do correctly. But once you've done that and changed statuses, even though we didn't know we didn't actually do that, then we could apply for three years back. And that's the revocation. That's what I understand. Not sending the IRS the original notice, any of that stuff. And I think what's happening here is my use of that and understanding of it, using it, other people are using it with different approaches, and the definition is not the same.
I I that's what I think is causing the confusion here. Okay?
[01:06:13] Unknown:
Does that make sense? Thank you. I yield. I yield. Yeah. Thank you. I took a tax repairs course. It was long ago, twenty ten. But we always said you were electing income for taxation. You're you're making this election. You're electing to be treated as married, single. That was the election that you made. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So that's that's the way I think we had it to represent. Well and filling out the form and signing it under penalty of perjury confirmed that. Yep. And if you look at that w nine, at the bottom, it says signature of US person. Oh, yeah. The w the w four doesn't say US person on it, but I think the presumption is that you are. But if you're using that form and not a WAVEN.
[01:07:03] Unknown:
Right. It would be. The presumption would be in effect in full force. So could because to correct it, you've gotta go back and file an affidavit and go through our process. So, well, well, you can understand why I didn't like taxes too much. Well, evidently, you liked it. You, get into looking at this stuff, digging in it and stuff. It drove me crazy. Hence I was Hence I was a here we are in entrepreneurship.
[01:07:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I've got a degree in Hey, Roger. And and they would just give us that line on the income statement. Here's how much the company pays in taxes. And I'm like, well, where did this number come from? You know, this could be a sizable number. What can you do to mitigate that number? And, and so I, you know, I was always self employed, so I just I said, I'm gonna figure this out on my own. So I took a tax preparers course just so I would know all the loopholes and, and deductions you could take as a, you know, as a sole proprietor. You're, you know, running your own business.
[01:08:04] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Where'd you go to school, William? Hey, Roger.
[01:08:07] Unknown:
Imperial Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach.
[01:08:10] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. Yes, Bob?
[01:08:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Just to muddy the waters. Oh, good. You know, Weiss yeah. You you you you love taxes so much. I had to bring this up. You know, Weiss Paris process actually worked. I don't know if it continued to work over time. But he was successful with that, and he didn't know a thing about being a noncitizen. I mean, he he No. That never came up in any of the stuff he had. So They know nothing about anything in that Just a point
[01:08:38] Unknown:
Well, that's that's my point. Yeah. I just Well, Joe Lusticka Yep. Ran across a couple of years ago. One of the representatives that used to Weiss is dead. Okay. Or Perez. Right. Correct. And she still worked in the program and she didn't know anything about nationals at all. And I can also tell you, well, I can give you a little behind the scenes here. Thumper, contacted me, and he had studied that extensively for a year or two and went ahead and did it off their website. And now the IRS is banging him. And this is about a year or two ago. I don't know what he ever did with it, but he was bitching because he had gone to Brent. And Brent suggests he's got some friends that are, daddy and son law firm. I don't remember their name.
And he was using them, and he's going, well, hell. I just got a bill for $15,000. I can't afford that kind of money. So that's the last time I ever talked to him about it, but the IRS was after him.
[01:09:39] Unknown:
I see. Was that was that after you,
[01:09:43] Unknown:
dismissed yourself from his show? I think it was shortly along the same time, maybe shortly before right I see.
[01:09:51] Unknown:
I was just curious.
[01:09:52] Unknown:
Yep. Good old thumper, We wish him the best.
[01:09:56] Unknown:
Yep. Ride that bike boy. Who else?
[01:09:59] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Dad, dig a childhood number two.
[01:10:07] Unknown:
Something like that.
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I had a dream last night about me riding motorcycles around. Yes. Mirka. Yes.
[01:10:15] Unknown:
Just wanting to double check with William the form for the contractors with 8233. Right?
[01:10:22] Unknown:
Yeah. 8233.
[01:10:25] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. Thank you.
[01:10:27] Unknown:
Yeah. So who else has got some? We got any new folks in the background that have just been trying to absorb all this? We're kinda in-depth in the IRS code today a little bit and how we deal with it to, further unencumber ourselves from the, absolutely totally slaving United States federal government.
[01:10:45] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger.
[01:10:46] Unknown:
Is there somebody right there? William. Yeah.
[01:10:50] Unknown:
William, are you still flying actively, or are you retired?
[01:10:53] Unknown:
No. No. I'm active.
[01:10:55] Unknown:
You're active? Okay. I'm just curious.
[01:10:57] Unknown:
Mhmm. Thank you, sir. Did I hear a faint voice there, somebody that might wanna say hello? Say hello. Good morning, Roger. Jack, you're gonna have to really talk into your microphone or something. You're very faint. Very faint. Is this better? A little bit. A little bit. Hi. Hi. Usually when I call, I'm usually too loud. So I'm literally Oh, now you're good. Right there. You're good there. Right there is good. Okay. Okay? Who who are we talking with? Who are we talking with? Good morning, Roger. This is Frank from Colorado. Good to talk with you again, sir. Frank, my goodness gracious. It's been a while. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
[01:11:34] Unknown:
Just wanted to since the talk was about the IRS and all this, I just wanna let, people know. I I've gotten this week my probably my seventh correspondence from the IRS. And it's, it's no big deal. No anxiety when I see it because I know how to deal with it, and I just gotta get another letter back out to them. But my impression of this is that literally the IRS does not know either what they're doing or how to handle all the stuff that we're hitting them with. And what I mean by that is in the past, I've gotten several of the CP, whatever, 59, eighteen, sixty nine, high cut, whatever ones.
And it usually generates a letter after that because I'm sending these letters usually to the Austin, Texas office. I think one time it was to Ogden. The most recent one, it references my most recent letter to them from October 28 that I sent to them. Thank you for your inquiry, blah blah blah. And then they say we're sending you this letter because the address shown at the end of this letter because they're the ones responsible for collecting the the the amount you owe. So I send all of these response letters to the heading, but yet when I send it to them, they don't know what's going on, and they refer it to another office, and I get a letter generated from a different office referencing that previous correspondence.
What I'm getting at is they don't know what they're doing, Roger. I don't think they understand this process. And furthermore, they don't know how to handle it and they keep shuffling it off. But Well I don't know. I'm expecting another letter again, so it's no big deal. I just keep addressing them. They're either on their fifth or sixth commissioner
[01:13:22] Unknown:
since Trump got into office. I think the guy that's overseeing all of it even more directly now is, the secretary of the treasury who the IRS is under. So, anyway, I don't know what did you hear Mark talk about calling that number and seeing if anybody could work with you that way or whatever? I'm sorry. I think Frank's exactly right. They don't know what to do with this.
[01:13:50] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Thank Roger, they got rid of a lot of people from the IRS too, and then maybe it's the new employees that are not trained correctly.
[01:13:57] Unknown:
Very well, it's very easy. Call would be better. Yeah. Even with the trained ones, you could call 10 of them and ask the same question. You get 10 different answers. Who was saying, hey, Roger there? That's William. I I filed that one five one zero three form form,
[01:14:12] Unknown:
twice. Yes. And then on the second time, I electronically filed it filed it. And, that's what triggered the letter from from California that said, hey. We we got your correspondence. We got your +1 51033, but we have questions because it doesn't make sense because we have a mortgage interest statement. We have some ten ninety nines. We have a w two. We have all this income to you, but you're saying you're not a US citizen. We need more information. Okay. And so and so that form doesn't necessarily work work because they're saying that I need to file a return. So I just I just obliged them and went ahead and filed zero ten forty n r. And I think Oh, that's That's what we have to do.
[01:14:57] Unknown:
Okay. Well, let us know if you get a response from them on that proposed frivolous filing penalty. I don't think they got a leg to stand on. So you may not even hear back from them, William. But if you do, please let us know. William, you you need
[01:15:13] Unknown:
you need to ask them if they can define income income given the fact that the Supreme Court can't.
[01:15:19] Unknown:
Well, that's true. Well, you know, if they if you got a form if you got a form filed on you on your social showing that, if you've filled out a w four in the past or filled out a w nine or or you get a mortgage interest statement, they're gonna they're gonna associate that with you and and presume you're a US citizen because those things required you to be.
[01:15:45] Unknown:
Say that again?
[01:15:49] Unknown:
So the so the the IRS letter I got that we we received your 1415103. However, we have ten ninety nines. We have we have a mortgage interest statement. We have, all this income associated with you. We we feel you've made a mistake, and you still need to file a return.
[01:16:14] Unknown:
In fact, you are a citizen. You have no choice.
[01:16:17] Unknown:
Right. So I went ahead and and obliged them and filed a return, a ten forty n r. There you go. 01.
[01:16:24] Unknown:
So, You know what? I think that's a checkmate move, William.
[01:16:29] Unknown:
Yep. So we'll and and I I associated those forms with it and then put them on their schedule as not effectively connected with The United States. So I I think that's right. I think that's what we're ultimately gonna have to do to to stop these letters in a trap.
[01:16:47] Unknown:
Well If I may?
[01:16:49] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. Hey, Raj. Hold on. The premium
[01:16:53] Unknown:
is no rush.
[01:16:55] Unknown:
Hold on. Yes, ma'am. I'd like to agree with him on that $10.40 n r and Is this Muse? Make a notation.
[01:17:01] Unknown:
Is this Muse? This
[01:17:04] Unknown:
is Michigan.
[01:17:06] Unknown:
Yes. Okay.
[01:17:07] Unknown:
Pam. So I just wanted to say that I agree with that $10.40 n r, suggestion and maybe even, slip in there the affidavit or just let them know if you're gonna send it to a third party that don't know what to do with it. Just send it right to the treasury for the summary and the, the return to return and give them your, location where you'd like to have that, matter, returned to in regards to the money.
[01:17:37] Unknown:
That's what I would agree with. Ideal. Yeah. I I included a copy of my affidavit and a short cover letter with the return. I didn't just wanna hold, send down a $10.40 n r because they're they're gonna think that's frivolous.
[01:17:50] Unknown:
Right. No. I I I think you've got a checkmate. I think yes.
[01:17:58] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Yes, sir. In Colorado.
[01:18:01] Unknown:
Oh, hey, Jack.
[01:18:03] Unknown:
Can can you hear me alright?
[01:18:05] Unknown:
I babe, about halfway.
[01:18:08] Unknown:
Okay. I'll try to talk louder. I just wanted to give an update and kinda clarify that revocation of election. I did some reading on it just like William and Larry have. And, basically, the situation is that if you're a nonresident alien and you're married to a US citizen, you can elect to be taxed as a US citizen so you guys can get that, married filing jointly discount or credit. So there's language in the IRC that says you can elect to go back to being treated as a nonresident alien if you want to. And if you do that, you could even go back two extra years to get refunds back because you are a nonresident alien. But what that's all about is being from a foreign country. This all this language is for people that are from a foreign country. So, like, two years ago, three years ago, they truly were nonresident aliens, but we are we were not. So that's why I feel like we're not getting those two or three years back regularly. And then when we do, I think it's been a nominal.
So I just wanted to throw that out there. Revocation of election doesn't automatically mean you're asking for multiple years back. It just means you have that option if you were from Iran and you came and married an American and were taxed as a US citizen for two, three years and you wanna get that back.
[01:19:31] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:19:32] Unknown:
I Okay. And I also pretend to be so
[01:19:36] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[01:19:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Not just wanna say I'm still waiting on my 2023. It's been over over a year and a half now. They already hit me with the filing or frivolous filing the warning this spring that I replied to with my affidavit and my passport, FOIA that I did, not a FOIA, but a privacy request that I showed them that here's the affidavit on file of secretary of state. And I haven't heard back from them yet. But I have another dilemma. My accountant actually filed my 2024 taxes for me accidentally without me knowing it and showing that I owed a bunch of taxes. So so I'm in the process now this weekend filing a ten forty x and a ten forty n r saying, hey. My accountant filed this accidentally.
I actually don't know these taxes, but I'm gonna be sending that out tomorrow. So it's been kind of a it's been kind of a mess. And Okay. And I can't get Colorado sorted out until I get the Fed sorted out. So Right. I actually I felt you know? So, anyway, I just wanna let people know that it's it's it's not it's not easy. Always.
[01:20:47] Unknown:
No. When comments to hear you. Well, hold on. If you if you got an accountant and you do this, let them know is the moral of that story. Yeah.
[01:20:55] Unknown:
And when can we expect to hear from your accountant? When is he gonna be on the show?
[01:21:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Right.
[01:21:02] Unknown:
Because he better tell him. If you wanna continue being my accountant, you need to check out this program. I understand this.
[01:21:09] Unknown:
Yeah. So who's the other person trying I'm actually having my I'm actually having my accountant work up my taxes and mail them to me normally as if I was a citizen so I can have paper copies on hand. Just in case, one day down the road, I need to go back and rewind all this and just submit normal taxes, but he he sent that in, without me signing it or anything. So I guess he has permission to do that. So I just need to go unwind that with the ten forty x and the ten forty n R showing zero Please let let let us know how it works out, Jack, please.
[01:21:44] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:21:45] Unknown:
Alright. That's all. Anything else or somebody else trying to say something? Third person there. Who was that? Yeah. Yes, sir. That was Yes, sir. Is that Tom? Is that Tommy?
[01:21:57] Unknown:
That's me. Hey, Tom. The stalker.
[01:22:01] Unknown:
The stalker. Yeah. I got I got that,
[01:22:05] Unknown:
that the truck driver friend of mine is listening. So,
[01:22:08] Unknown:
Oh my god. Did this I'm sure his head I'm sure his head's exploding. I'm sure it is too.
[01:22:15] Unknown:
Yeah. But one thing I wanted to tell if anybody listened, the one thing and this is from forty plus years of experience, do not ignore them. If they send you a letter, you must respond in some way, shape, or form. Do not throw it in the trash or just say, you know, I'm not gonna bother with this because that's the the worst move you can make. If they send you a letter, you wanna respond, yeah, or, or even respond like I used to do. Yeah. They send me a letter. I send them two or three back. Consent. Yep. I agree with that. I send them two or three back. Yep. Yep. And when you were talking about the, the the the the paragraph with the f's in it, If you ever seen the one where they change as long as the first and last letter of a word is correct, that your your brain will figure out that what the word is. Even if all the letters in between the first and last letter screwed up, your brain will figure out just what the words are. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. That's that's that's amazing. You know? That's an example of And what's the thing about the what what was the thing with the fly on the paper you were talking about? I didn't understand that. Have you never seen that? It's just a white piece of paper and in background
[01:23:35] Unknown:
kind of, where they can print a background drop of a letter in black. It's as says f l y. And you look at that and, by God, you can't see it. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. I've never seen that. You have to send that to me if you know where it is because I've never seen that. I don't have anything to send to you. It's just something I've seen over all years. It used to be around. So but if you can visit The first thing that came to mind
[01:24:03] Unknown:
the the first thing that came to mind when you said that was that I've seen some of the high end hotels and stuff. They'll they'll they'll paint a picture of a fly in the urinal, I guess, to keep guys aim correct.
[01:24:17] Unknown:
I've seen that too. Cute. Good. Well, Tom Well glad to know you're out there on Saturday. Do you have any, suggestions
[01:24:27] Unknown:
for No. The other the other thing is if anybody can if if if anybody can get on on, Reddit, I'm I'm banned. You know? They just they just just, for some reason, just don't like my comments and stuff, so I'm banned from Reddit. But if somebody goes in there and if you do a search like, I can search, but I can't comment or anything. If you search, like, revocation of election terms or any of this stuff, there's thousands and thousands of posts on there. And if somebody can get in there and guide them over to us, we might be able to grab a whole bunch of new people to, to figure out, you know, they're being screwed.
And but I can't I can't post. You know, I mean, some of the simplest things I did is, you know, somebody says, oh, I am I'm gonna start college, and I'm working on my, my age. So what's the first thing I need to do? And I put, like, well, the first thing you need to do is get a job and pay your own way. And they They got you out of there quick. You know, simple things. Oh, boy. They kicked my ass out of there fast. Anyway, I'll let I'll let you go and, hope Kaye's still listening. He's driving a truck today. He's one of those guys that work six days a week, but, he said he was, tuning in to the class. So Okay. He he's out there somewhere in the ether.
[01:25:43] Unknown:
Alright? Welcome. Sorry to get all this in complicated complex tax stuff that goes with the package, and, some people. My personal thing was, I mean, you know, when they stole that $35,000 for my house closing, and then had the audacity to send me a letter and said, well, you only owed us 30,000, which is hypothecated out of the ass. And but we took an extra 5,000 for taxes we think you're gonna owe in the future. Now I could have gone back to federal court, the tax they'd already taken, that extra 5,000. I had the, the the proof it wasn't part of what the tax bill was. I could have gone back to federal court and gotten $5,000.
I'm pretty sure you can take them to court, but the tax has to be paid or seized in this case. And and my thought was, I'm so glad to be done with these bastards that they can have their stinking $5,000. And I will go at it another way from the standpoint that they always make their worst enemies. And so here we are, and every one of you, I don't care if y'all apply and get money back, but just pulling yourself out of that debt system. This is their end goal, is to get it with all this hypothecated debt, $3,040,000,000,000,000 dollars, and getting that interest compound interest paying and you being attached to that as well as your progeny.
We pull ourselves away from that. We pull ourselves away from the sleigh that's got the heavy weight that we were pulling before, and that's gotta kinda freak them out. Of course, the more people we do that and do this, the more chance we got of causing some damage to these bastards. Right. But I don't ever wanna go back and get money back. I'm so glad to be done with them. That it that's fine. I paid my dues. I was stupid. For whatever reasons, that's changed, but see you later. Adios. Isn't that what they say in Spanish, See you later.
See you later is what that translates to. Go ahead, Marco.
[01:28:08] Unknown:
I just wanted to say, another thing too that helps, the rebuttals and everything that we're doing and being effective is the affidavit that we are using. Keeping it simple. Keeping it simple on the affidavit, removing yourself from the system. You're no longer a US citizen, so now you're gonna be under natural law. And just this one page affidavit helps you rebut all any public servants and the IRS, and even the state. So it's important to keep your affidavit simple.
[01:28:44] Unknown:
And and just keep good records. Everything you send them I remember a minute ago, somebody was asking, Gary, do you have this? Do you have this? Do you have this? I think it was Paul. He's going, yes. Yes. Yes. Have those records. Have them there. Just a backup, and every time you send a correspondence to any well, probably the only ones you're gonna get something from is IRS. So back you you get back a copy of my affidavit. This was sent on such and such a date, received by such and such a date by IRS, it speaks for itself.
[01:29:15] Unknown:
Right, Roger. And, what what it's what you're doing is, removing the presumption, and this affidavit is going to secretary of state. So all he needs to see is the re the correct information from you. The fact is I am not a US citizen. I am a natural, national under natural law. So, our affidavit explains that to them, and that's, you know, how you how it makes it effective.
[01:29:46] Unknown:
The secretary or his delegate. So have we got any other, folks with something they wanna say? Correction.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
Correction. Yes, ma'am. Whoop whoop whoop. I'm rewinding. I'm rewinding, Howard. Or sorry. I'm rewinding. I'm rewinding, Roger. Nos vemos means see you. Hasta luego means see you later. See you later. The way they okay. So you could say, nos vemos manana, which means see you tomorrow, or nos vemos bronco, which means see you soon.
[01:30:16] Unknown:
Well, they don't. Right. Because you you've learned it very technically, but you get in these societies down here and they abbreviate that. They don't say buenos, no chest. They say buenos in the morning, you know, stuff like that. So I understand where you're coming from, but I'm telling you, these Spanish cultures, they don't strictly adhere to those kind of rules. They modify it for the however they want to. Is that is that called colloquial? Is that called colloquial, down there then? Would be. Well, I don't know what they call it, but that's the way they do it.
[01:30:48] Unknown:
I guess this is
[01:30:51] Unknown:
there's many different ways of saying see you later. So nos vemos is one of them.
[01:30:56] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Marco. You should know. You're you're you you have mastered that language.
[01:31:00] Unknown:
Yeah. How do you say when your legs are straighter? What? How do you See you later when your legs are straighter.
[01:31:10] Unknown:
That's funny.
[01:31:13] Unknown:
Roger, this is the one that I'm Yeah. Hello? Somebody said something there? Yeah. It's William again. Yeah. William.
[01:31:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I just wanted to switch gears if out of the IRS stuff if you want. Yeah. I'd love to, please. Have you ever read, Andrew Jackson's veto of the Reconstruction Acts?
[01:31:38] Unknown:
No. Andrew Andrew Jackson was president in the thirties, wasn't he? Not after the Reconstruction Acts, or am I wrong? Andrew Johnson.
[01:31:49] Unknown:
Oh, Andrew Johnson. I'm sorry. There you go. Yeah.
[01:31:53] Unknown:
Sherry, lurking in the background. Go ahead, William. Yeah. And I'm sorry.
[01:31:58] Unknown:
Have you ever read his, veto statement?
[01:32:01] Unknown:
I don't believe I have.
[01:32:03] Unknown:
Oh, man. There's two paragraphs I wanna read out of it. This is the you know, he vetoed, all the Reconstruction Act, and, our tyrannical congress overthrew the executive branch by overriding his veto and then threatened the judicial branch, with numerous, legislative actions. One of them was proposed to require any justices that ruled on a constitutional act like the four teenth amendment would have to have three quarters of justices agreeing, not just a majority, which made it through the house but didn't make it through the senate.
[01:32:40] Unknown:
So there was a bunch of little fact little factoids like that show you that this was an extraordinary important situation to them.
[01:32:50] Unknown:
Yep. So they were, they were overthrowing the entire government. Congress overthrew the entire government, both other branches of checks and balances. They overthrew them. And Andrew Johnson saw this happening, and this is one of the paragraphs he said in there. He says, what we have here is a bill of attainder against 9,000,000 people at once. It's based upon an accusation so vague as to be scarcely intelligible and found to be true upon no credible evidence. Not one of the 9,000,000 was heard in his own defense. The representatives of the doomed parties were excluded from all participation in the trial.
The conviction is to be followed by the most ignominious punishment ever inflicted on large mass of men. It disfranchises them by the hundreds of thousands and degrades them all, even those who are admitted to be guiltless from the rank of a free man to the condition of slaves. That's the first paragraph.
[01:33:48] Unknown:
And, you know And then And he was thinking they were imposing that on everybody. Right. Is that what I'm okay. But it's clear that after that, it was Jim Crow that was a separation. It was evident.
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He says, while we are legislating upon subjects, which are of great importance to the whole people and which must affect all parts of the country, not only hurting the life of the present generation, but for ages to come, we should remember that all men are entitled to at least a hearing to the councils in which decide upon the destiny of themselves and their children. At present, 10 states are denied representation. And when the fortieth congress assembles on the fourth day of the present month of the 16 states will be without a voice in the House of Representatives. This great fact, with the important questions before us, should induce us to pause in a course of legislation, which looking solely to the attainment of political ends fails to consider the rights that it transgresses, the law which it violates, or the institutions which it imperils.
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Now was this written before the fourteenth amendment was falsely ratified or not?
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It was. Yeah. It was when it was when congress passed it, and then they sent it to the president for him to sign the Reconstruction Acts into law. Uh-huh. And then he vetoed it. And then they they overrode the veto because they excluded all the other states. So they for the states that were there, they could override it. So it's that's still kind of somewhat unconstitutional. But there was another, when they were overthrowing the judicial branch, there was another case, called Georgia versus Stanton, where they were trying to get the, trying to get the Supreme Court to prevent, the president from executing the Reconstruction Act, or from Congress from executing the Reconstruction Acts.
And, what they said in there, it just pertains, you know, we're always looking for, you know, how are the states involved? How are the states federal? But in this, they said let me find it here. Basically, because Congress was threatening them, the justices and the Supreme Court, Of Georgia. No. Of of the unit of The United States. Okay. They were threat they're threatening them with this legislation if they ruled on any of these constitutionalities, which is what they're there to do. And so anything that congress passes, they would deem as a political question, and they wouldn't rule on it, just because they didn't wanna get mired in a mudslinging contest and be legislated out of existence by the Republicans in Congress.
That's how that's how tyrannical Congress was and is.
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Yeah. What a mess. What a free just get What book was that? We have found the way to get the hell out of there. Get yourself out of it, and don't look back just like Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Alright. What was your statement there, Myrco?
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I just wanted to ask William what book what was the name of the book and who's the author, so I can try to look for it? If you look up,
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Andrew Jackson's veto of the Reconstruction Acts, there's two Okay. There's two vetoes. Johnson and then Johnson. Johnson. Johnson. Sorry. Keep looking back. Yeah. Andrew Johnson. If you look those up, there's two of them that I found, and both of them are outstanding. I don't know how many times I wanna say it was three times he vetoed it, and they they overrode him every time. But in this Georgia v Stanton case, 1867, they said a bill in equity is filed by one of The United States to enjoin the secretary of war and other officers who represent the executive authority of The United States from carrying into execution certain acts of congress on the ground that such an execution would annul and totally abolish the existing state government of the state and establish another and different one in its place. In other words, it would overthrow and destroy the corporate existence of the state by depriving it of all means and instrumentalities whereby its existence might and otherwise would be maintained.
However, this calls for a judgment upon a political question, and the court will there or will therefore not be entertained by this court. Would they agree, later on in the document that if these acts are enforced, then it's gonna overthrow the state government
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You put a federal one. Got that's why you've got a veneer. See, they can't get rid of stuff. They can't just arbitrarily get rid of stuff. So they just veneer over it. Yep.
[01:38:50] Unknown:
I just wanted to clear that that there's proof from the Supreme Court that the your state government is not the legitimate state government. It's a federal government that's overthrown your state government.
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Yep. Who's the female who's trying to say something there?
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Me, Julie.
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Julie.
[01:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm just, piggybacking on what William just, read. I stumbled upon this website this morning, and I have no clue how I got to that. It is called the Missus Institute, and the website is mises.org. Masinmother,ises.org. They have, like, 782 books on here, but most of them are for free, and they're PDF downloads. And if you see some of these books on here I mean, they've got books by, Taft, Rand Paul, all of this stuff on the currency that we have and the and the and the system we have right now. It's very comprehensive. I don't know how anybody would begin to read all of these, but if anybody's interested, I don't know. That book might be on there. They've got this one book called 33 questions about American history you're not supposed to ask.
But it's I couldn't believe this. Lessons for the young economists, teachers manual, just all sorts of very, very interesting books. And most of them are available in a PDF
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free download for anybody who's who's interested in here. So Do you know where I Do you know where it is? Did you did you see on the page where it's located?
[01:40:36] Unknown:
Well, it you just go to mises.org, and then all you can click on the menu button, but what comes up right on the front are all the books, and you can search for the ones. So I don't know if Andrew Jackson's is in here. I was gonna look if, that book was available
[01:40:56] Unknown:
on here. The website I think the website's associated with the von Mises Institute, and that's with Auburn, Alabama. They're the only Austrian economics outfit in the country, maybe close to the world. There's a few others. But, that's where that is. The website that is on a more day to day of, basis, it's affiliated with them, is called lourockwell.com. Have you been there, Julie? Lou, l e w, rock that's a that's an Austrian economics website. Lourockwell.com. It's affiliated with the Von Mises Institute. And that's all, surprisingly enough, out of Auburn, Alabama.
[01:41:38] Unknown:
Roger?
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Yes.
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They also have The Law by by Friedrich Basting. And that's a book Yep. And that's a book that everybody should read. It's a short, small page. There's, like, 70 pages, I guess, on there. Yep. I shared it with my daughter and her friends. So they're they're, like, very intrigued about it. Yeah. So it's a good book for everybody.
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That's very cool. Question. Great foundation foundational reading. He wasn't he was, he wasn't a lawyer. He was an economist. What? Who's trying to say something there?
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Yeah. What's the website? I couldn't catch it. It is masinmother,iasinindia,sasinsunny,easinelephant,sasinsunny,.org, missus.org.
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Mices. Mices. Mices.
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Thank you. Mices then. I don't know. Maybe I Mices, m I c e, so I call it He was one of the he was one of the founders of the school of economics called Austrian Economics
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that is, in competition and more in reality than than Keynesian, where you do deficit spending and pull stuff out of thin air. So that's the whole other school of economics is von Mises. Lou Rockwell is a website that represents that school of economics. So they have articles and stuff. Go over and check it out. It's a very good website.
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It's amazing website.
[01:43:13] Unknown:
K. And, Roger, this is William again.
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Yeah. William.
[01:43:17] Unknown:
Looking at this Diet v Turner case, and then that's where I came up. I cut you down.
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Can't see him.
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At the bottom of the, there's a there's a section that skipped out on Diet v Turner, and it says for a more detailed account of how the fourteenth amendment was forced upon the nation, the articles in 11 SCL q four eighty four and twenty eight T U L L review r e v 22. So I searched that, and then it brought up, LSU, Alabama Law School, all these all these dissertations on the fourteenth amendment. They're just outstanding. All these things from Tulane University, all kinds of stuff. But that's where I saw this excerpt from the from Andrew Johnson. And, and and some of these discussions, the one from Alabama University is is really good.
And there's one from Yale. I haven't read this one yet. Washington University or origins of the constitutional right. And, it it's just outstanding some of the stuff that you can find related to that research.
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John, we sure do thank you for taking the time and having the motivation to go do all that foreign report for us.
[01:44:45] Unknown:
The, there's there's a, that dissertation or expose that's on Diet v Turner was on a, another website, supreme was it supremelaw.org? But it, it seemed to be there was a section in there. It seemed like it was tampered with, and not that the not that the information was wrong. It was discussing, martial law and the labor codes, later on. And, but it brought up, you know, Waco and all this and but this decision was made in 1968. So I don't know. Somebody it seems like somebody tampered with it and inserted that in there. So I don't have a law library access, but I would like to see what the original document was, not one that was just posted, to this other website.
So
[01:45:42] Unknown:
Well, we applaud your digging. Right. It's it's it's unbelievable what's going on in the past with this country, particularly surrounding that event, the civil war or the war to bring in the civil law as Daryl called it most accurately. Yes. Who was that? Just sketch?
[01:45:59] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Since we're on the reconstruction, topic, I came across something very interesting about, the immunity clause, for that is used by policemen. During during the Reconstruction, they had all their laws all all over the states, and the feds didn't trust the states. So they they they put them all into one, They they wrote all the laws from different states into one book. Right? I I guess it's this I don't I'm not sure what that's called. But they found that when they rewrote all the this professor found that when they rewrote all those laws, they didn't they did a typo in rewriting the constitution and, took out immunity.
And, so I put in the chat a video of the the professor and the lawyer discussing that, for a hundred and fifty years, this immunity that they the police use isn't actually in the constitution. And, so I thought it just very interesting that that that occurred. There was a typo when they rewrote when they during the Reconstruction area, they they did a typo and they polluted. Sure.
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It was a it was an intentional it was an intentional typo.
[01:47:47] Unknown:
Well, the professor says we don't know if it was intentional, but that's what they they claimed. Well,
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a couple of years later in 1873, we had a, event referred to as the crime of seventy three. Are you familiar with that one, sketch? I am not. No. But Well, that's when they were trying to well, they were trying to make us a monolithic one metal, currency because they can control gold. They couldn't control silver because the Comstock load was just inaction. It was the well, one of the biggest supplies of silver ever found, still silver there, and they don't want that because that's poor man's gold. And they wrote legislation, and somehow, between the legislation and when it got on the law books, one word was changed and it outlawed silver.
I'm sure that wasn't a typo.
[01:48:42] Unknown:
Right. Right. So it's it's very interesting, that this guy, this professor, you know, after many years of searching, found it and, and and wrote a paper on it and and and did an interview about it. Pretty interesting. Cool. IU. Alright. And you put it in the, chat. Right?
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I thought that's what you said.
[01:49:07] Unknown:
Okay. Yes. Who else? Yes. I did. I put I'll put in Raider Wrench too also. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Sketch. Yep.
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Got a couple of minutes left. It was really good to hear both. I don't know hardly if we ever had Gary and Dave on at the same time before. We generally have Gary. Dave is off work and in Texas, and it's really great to see both of you guys back and and enthused and, get over the whole
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deal with the group. I just wanna I just wanna say thank thank you to everybody.
[01:49:40] Unknown:
Yeah. You're welcome. You know, we're one big fan of Hey, Rod. Really. Yes. Who's that?
[01:49:47] Unknown:
Hey. It's Jack in Colorado again. Yes, Jack. I just wanted to share really I wanted to share some really cool tip with everybody that I think that you guys will like. And I I know you're gonna call me Wahid, but I'm gonna change the subject out of the blue. But, I did a it's really easy to do a FOIA to the IRS. And, basically, I FOIA ed what was on file about my citizenship evidence. You just go online, type in IRS FOIA. I think I did it through my id.me account or they made you create one, but you just fill it in online. And I typed in, send me anything the IRS has on copy about my citizenship evidence.
And within a week, I got an email back, and they had emailed me a PDF showing my original notice to the IRS commissioner two years ago. Yeah. He sent me back my full revocation of election that I sent in. And so now I have this PDF that I can print out. And when I send my ten forty n r here this weekend, I'm gonna say, look. These are the documents you guys have on file since late twenty twenty three, and I just don't know how they're gonna be able to rebut that. So I thought I would just share that with everybody. It's really good to do. Thank you. Good idea. See, there's ways we can hold their feet to the fire just like Jack was saying.
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Question?
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Yes, ma'am. Julie.
[01:51:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Why did he get an id.me account? That's your digital concentration camp that's being built, on a daily basis.
[01:51:24] Unknown:
Well, I originally got that so I could see the status of my 2023 return when I was trying to get my money back last year, and I just was checking it every day just to see if it was being processed. But that's the only reason I got it. But couldn't you just do a regular FOIA request without creating an id.me account? That is the most evil organization, and they're within walking distance of my house. You might be able to. Only reason I think I had to, create one or I did it through my id.me account is because they emailed me. So but you might be able to do it without just go on Google and type in IRS FOIA. You might be able to just do it right on their website.
[01:52:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Just out of curiosity, what kind of information did you have to give them to establish an ID. Me account?
[01:52:10] Unknown:
Basically, like, I don't know, probably everything they already have, my email, my social, everything that goes in on a tax return that they've always had for, you know, dozens of years. Nothing crazy weird.
[01:52:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Like, you didn't have to do a, picture one of the real ID pictures and all that stuff of your driver's license or anything like that? Okay. No. I don't think so. Thank you. I You do
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for login.gov. Login.gov is a nightmare.
[01:52:43] Unknown:
Login.gov. No. Thank you. Yeah. Then
[01:52:47] Unknown:
they moved all the, like, the FAA website. All all the government websites have moved to login.gov. So I have to utilize that for work.
[01:52:57] Unknown:
No. How you're not, you're you're you're not being affected by all the shutdown stuff. What do you think about the effects on aviation?
[01:53:06] Unknown:
Yeah. It's been bad. We've been buying the air traffic controller's lunch, at our home airport. It's just, we give them a pizza party.
[01:53:17] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, Roger.
[01:53:18] Unknown:
Yes, Julie. Roger.
[01:53:20] Unknown:
If you go to x, if you go to x, the, account is Paul Gold Eagle. At Paul Gold Eagle. He says the government is never opening up again. Recall that Trump said a long time ago before he got reselected this time around that you only have to vote one more time. But there's a lady on here, that, Congress will not open again for the next four years. Everybody should go and listen to that. It's very interesting.
[01:53:56] Unknown:
It sure is. Well, strap yourself in.
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Right here?
[01:54:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. Boring.
[01:54:05] Unknown:
Do you think that's bad? The government is gonna be closed for four years, right, which never open again. I have a comment, right, They they don't call us national. They call us the same group. That's how they call us. You know? What group? I the same group. You know? Because we are exempt from taxes. That's how they call us.
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Are you Exempt. Okay. Thank you. Exempt, Roger. Exempt. Exempt. Exempt. Okay. Well, alright. I'll accept that.
[01:54:41] Unknown:
I think, Bori, that I would the problem is all the people that have been conditioned to the government handout. They're gonna be the problem. People that are hardworking and this, that, and the other, and, pretty much everything still goes on in the business world pretty much. But it's those people that are the 42,000,000 that are dependent on that that are going to cause such problems is why I would be against it. K? So, anyway, that's the way I feel about it. Who else is, I don't know. That will be something if they don't open back back up. K? So we'll we will see as we go forward. I think Trump still got this the they call the nuclear option has to do with getting rid of the filibuster and some other stuff, and that, they they may try that and may have to try that.
We'll see day to day. Okay. Who else if somebody's got something to say here in the last couple of minutes? Sketch does. Yes.
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Congress will probably still be paid even though government's closed.
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And, you know, I had heard a lot of the government agencies had been closed since they closed for COVID. They've never really opened back up and went back to work. So
[01:56:02] Unknown:
Many of them are still working from home and not going in, all that stuff. So, anyway, I don't know. Just take a day at a time. I know we got a short weekend staring us right in the face. I'm looking forward to taking advantage of it. I trust y'all are too. And, it's just good to see, Gary and David come back and and know you guys are alright and happy to bring you back into the family here on a regular basis.
[01:56:30] Unknown:
We've grown. Roger, everybody. We'll try to take it easy on you tonight.
[01:56:35] Unknown:
Yeah. I know, William. That's I hope so. I just hope they're all right. Now sometimes, if there's a problem with, like, with Kelly, like they said in the locker room, this guy, Liz Byrne, has taken over, has been there for a Coon's age. And sometimes that change can be positive. You just never know. But, you know, we've had our problems with health and stuff this year, and I think, that that head linebacker's gonna be out tonight with an ankle thing. We'll see. But, yeah, I I appreciate a little leniency. You generally don't give it, but we'd appreciate it. So not our ear. Yes, ma'am. Right. Copy.
[01:57:16] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? I hear you fine, dear. Okay. So I was listening to, John b Wells last night. He had a regular that he has on a Doc Waterman who's a naturopath and also has the military background. I'm I'm I'm am I hearing an echo?
[01:57:36] Unknown:
Okay. You're probably hard, but we can hear you. Go ahead.
[01:57:39] Unknown:
Okay. So I'm gonna post in the chat, the show. It starts at two hours and fourteen in, and I want Paul, if he would it it is about a half an hour, but it's about some military things that are getting ready to happen that are absolutely frightening. And, I I think everybody should hear it. So I'm gonna post it in the chat. It starts I'll send it to you, Roger. Starts at two hours and fourteen in with a Doc Waterman about what's going on with Venezuela and stuff, but many more, much more impact so, globally. So I'm I'm gonna put that in. I my jaw was dropping, and, we need to hear what's going on.
[01:58:31] Unknown:
Alright. We'll do that if you would, Robbie. Thank you. And, everybody will be back on Monday. Hope you'll be with us, and, hopefully, we'll get through the weekend. There's a lot of very serious stuff. We didn't even talk about it today. I meant to on, what's going on in the economy. Many, many people say we're very close to a huge crash. We know it's coming. We don't know when it's gonna happen, but they're telling us it's coming. You've got a list of peep companies that are getting rid of employees that are staggering that I heard the other day.
I forget how many Amazon, all these big companies, tens of thousands or more of people being Roger. They're gonna be replaced with robots. Anyway, well, hold on, Julie. We're right at the end of the program, and we're gonna say goodbye to the regular audience if they're there. And we'll just be back again on Monday, and have a great short weekend. And they're gonna lay our bodies down, Julie, is, what they're gonna do to us, and maybe that's true. Lay that body down. Be back. If you're looking for freedom, come back. Ciao.
Julie.
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Yeah. It's tens of thousands from all these companies like Amazon and everything, but, 30,000 people from Amazon is nothing compared to their worldwide employee base. So Oh, interesting. It might seem yeah. Yeah. But there are a lot of companies, Apple and all these companies are laying off, and you are correct. They're replacing us with robots and Yeah. But I I don't know. We'll just have to wait and see what how many more layoffs there are and how this all plays out. But Robbie's right. The John b Wells, thing is very scary.
The whole thing about Venezuela and and what's coming is, is very scary and same thing. If you just go to YouTube and type in, Douglas McGregor, his podcasts are very unnerving as well.
[02:00:32] Unknown:
Yep. Okay. I'll see y'all on Monday. Have a great weekend. And, we'll be back licking our wounds Monday, William. So,
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one last question.
[02:00:46] Unknown:
Okay. One last question. Yes, sir.
[02:00:51] Unknown:
What has been talked about here recently as a FOIA, is that actually more more precisely a privacy information request? What's what's the difference? Yeah. Yeah. That's more accurate
[02:01:01] Unknown:
that they won't send information out on you on a FOIA because it's private. So that's why you have to tell them it's you and go in with a privacy request, which as I understand, very closely parallel to a FOIA.
[02:01:15] Unknown:
I have never done that. Is that is that easily done? I've never done it.
[02:01:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Supposed to be. It's showing his instructions online. He's gonna do it with the with
[02:01:26] Unknown:
the IRS one is that is called a FOIA for some reason. But, yeah, if you do a request to the Secretary of State to get any information back, it is called a Privacy Act Request. And again, it's super easy to find. Just go online and Google, Privacy Act Request secretary of state, and they have their own special page for it where you can submit that electronically.
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Yeah. 104. Thank you.
[02:01:51] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Okay. Anybody else? Thanks, Jack. Yes. There's Larry. Hey, Larry.
[02:01:57] Unknown:
Hey. So John Kennedy introduced two bills that would force members of Congress to forfeit their pay during a shutdown or put lawmakers' compensation in an escrow account to be paid out after they bring the government back online.
[02:02:16] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Anybody else got anything for me?
[02:02:24] Unknown:
Hey, Raj. Gere here.
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Yes, sir.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
Right. I I just wanna say I'm glad to be back. We're we're glad to be back here. And and I had a question for you. Are you not using Telegram anymore? Because back when your Hi. When your mom passed passed away years ago, I It's overwhelming for me, Gary. No. I'm not using it. I it's just overwhelming for me. Okay. Because I give you my condolences back then, and I thought, okay. Maybe you kinda scrub that whole app. So I've kinda figured as much. Just wondering.
[02:02:56] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Yep. So okay. And part of it is is my eyesight, I can't enlarge it enough on the screen on the computer to read stuff good. And I certainly can't see it on the cell phone. So I've switched to WhatsApp. So if you've, wanna connect on there, we can do that. Okay?
[02:03:17] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Understood.
[02:03:19] Unknown:
Alright, guys. I'll see everybody next week if we're here still all here. Bye. Mhmm. See you, Roger. All those times. Thank all of you. Love you. Ciao.
[02:03:31] Unknown:
Ciao, Raj.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
So, Paul Yeah. One of the things they mentioned last night was that the military has bought up all the Red Cross's blood supply as well as all of the first aid things preparing for whatever it is they have planned. And they're also gonna be using Walmart. I mean, we've heard this for a long time, but he said that by '27, the only way you'll be able to use Walmart is online orders because I guess they'll be using the stores for other things. But this is a big event that they are expecting slash planning planning, and we need to know about it.
[02:04:27] Unknown:
Mhmm. Wow.
[02:04:30] Unknown:
Yeah. It's been a long time coming. They've, they've converted, what, a dozen Walmarts into massive buildings with nothing but, chain link fencing inside in, like, separate areas. Yeah. They've done that. They closed them, under the guise of plumbing issues.
[02:05:01] Unknown:
But oh, well.
[02:05:04] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. So they're little FEMA camps.
[02:05:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Little itty bitty FEMA FEMA processing centers.
[02:05:15] Unknown:
Yep.
[02:05:19] Unknown:
What, Larry?
[02:05:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I was gonna say over the last week, I've noticed, there's this echo with a lot of different callers, and it's doing it with me right now. So do you know what's causing that? That's never been that way.
[02:05:34] Unknown:
It's, that's coming from my microphone and my speakers. Now try saying something.
[02:05:46] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. How are you? Yeah. It went away.
[02:05:53] Unknown:
Yeah. It did. I mean, some if people are, you're really loud. And the louder people are, the louder they are on my speakers, which is four feet away from my microphone. Normally, it's quiet enough that that doesn't happen. Today, the echo was not coming from me. It was coming from, Frank, I think it was. His his mic was open for a while. And the the quiet echo that was on the program then was him. It wasn't me.
[02:06:31] Unknown:
You're always blaming me, Paul. Joking. No. You you know what I what's interesting is that in the past, I've been super loud and I purposely talk lighter. And now, Roger and folks are saying I'm very quiet. So very interesting. But, anyway, I'm joking with you, Paul. Yeah. Good to hear from you. It's weird. No. It it it definitely was you that the echo was coming from because I muted you. And I definitely know and That that that that it is is is interesting sorry. Bad bad attempt to echo. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh.
[02:07:12] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Funny. Funny. Funny. Okay. Uh-huh. Right. Right.
[02:07:26] Unknown:
Russell Brand is live on InfoWars for Saturday's broadcast
[02:07:48] Unknown:
Larry, are you still on?
[02:07:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm here.
[02:07:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I'd like to figure out some way to get ahold of you. Seems like between, between Gary and Gary and David and you up there and me down here, we ought to try to get together in Orlando or something at some point.
[02:08:14] Unknown:
We'd we'd love that. That'd be great. That that would be, something to look forward to. And, yeah, it's so educational. I mean, I was so busy for so long, and it's so nice to be back. I've gone back and started going through the book again and just refreshing, and, it's amazing how much how much you can forget and and miss. You're rusty. You're rusty. But you've you really gotta stay up on this stuff. It it's still important. So violate important. But, yeah, we need, we need to get together for sure. I'd I'd like to meet you, and Gary would love to see you again. And
[02:09:09] Unknown:
Hey, Bob. Wasn't there, like, about half a dozen people in the Tampa area? I think there was a Sam. There was a handful of people in this area.
[02:09:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I'd, I'd I'd made some entreaties here, I don't know, six, eight months ago, and everybody was contingent on if anybody else was interested. And I finally got tired of anybody taking the taking the initiative because it was getting into my busy time of the year, and I just kinda dropped it. Oh, yeah. Right. Right.
[02:09:42] Unknown:
It's your alfalfa business. Right? If I'm not mistaken. No.
[02:09:47] Unknown:
No. No. Silage in general, mostly grass, but yeah. Has to do with forage. You got that part right. Okay. Okay. Larry, are you on in such a way that you can see the number I'm on?
[02:10:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I see your number.
[02:10:03] Unknown:
Oh, so sorry. I was talking to Larry. If Larry was on, I didn't know if he was calling in on the phone. Or I'm on a phone call.
[02:10:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Same here.
[02:10:12] Unknown:
I thought I gave you my number one time.
[02:10:15] Unknown:
I don't recall that. I could be wrong.
[02:10:20] Unknown:
Didn't I give you my email?
[02:10:24] Unknown:
Good question.
[02:10:26] Unknown:
I don't recall it. Do a search on your email because I think at one time last year, you asked and, I think I sent you something.
[02:10:35] Unknown:
Okay. Just check three. Investigate. I will investigate.
[02:10:46] Unknown:
Now does Jeffrey from Dallas does Jeff from from Dallas, does he ever, call in or listen anymore? Or He lurks.
[02:10:57] Unknown:
He lurks. He, he used
[02:10:59] Unknown:
to he lurks.
[02:11:01] Unknown:
Someone used to refer to him as g off. G off. Forgot who that was. Kevin. I think there was Theo from Tarpon Springs in this area.
[02:11:17] Unknown:
Who is he the Greek restaurant owner? Or I think so. That's what I recall.
[02:11:22] Unknown:
I associate that with Tarpon Springs guy. Yep. Because, that's a little Greece down there. A lot of Greek little little populous there. Tarpon Springs, but,
[02:11:35] Unknown:
you know, I like to drop by his restaurant, but, yeah, that'd be cool to get Oh, I gotta sign off. It's good talking to everybody. We'll You too. Try to get together. Sounds good. Take care. Bye. You too. Bye.
[02:12:33] Unknown:
Hey, Julie. Are you still out there listening?
[02:13:01] Unknown:
And, Paul, I I did like your, suggestion on a fee schedule for educating the administrators, not being able to follow their own rules and their laws and having to educate them. And finally, them acquiescing, to what their their are I've watched a video of a guy just putting in a foyer at at a city, And all he wanted to do is get a, you know, a return with a time stamp, and he had to spend six cops were called. And, and all he wanted was a time stamp, you know, recording of what he the what he put in, and they called six cops on him. And, and if he wasn't recording, then he would have probably been arrested.
So it's very important if you're doing any, requesting is to to to film and, you know, stick to your guns and then charge them, you know, for for you having to educate. I think that's a great idea. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you.
[02:14:19] Unknown:
Hey. They're not paying us for training. I'm sure they pay their trainers to, not teach them what they need to know. Yeah.
[02:14:33] Unknown:
The guy just had to keep repeating himself. You know? I've told you this three times. Do you want me to tell you again why I'm why I'm here and waiting and ringing the bell? You know? Yeah.
[02:14:53] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. It's not our job to educate educate them. Well, it could be our job, but it's not our responsibility. They should be educated to begin with. And you can bet their ass they will become educated if people start sending them $5.10, $20,000 bills. I'll bet you they'll figure out how to do it right off the bat.
[02:15:41] Unknown:
Hey, Paul. Did that, trust class ever get off the ground?
[02:15:47] Unknown:
Wednesday. Wednesday next week.
[02:15:52] Unknown:
Oh, so there's still time to get in?
[02:15:55] Unknown:
Oh, damn it. Yeah. Apparently. Just go to commonlawyer.com, send a donation for $30, and then send, in [email protected] a message with your name and your email address and then tell them that that donation was for the trust group for the Radio Ranch Trust Group.
[02:16:27] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:16:29] Unknown:
What what was it? And that donation was
[02:16:33] Unknown:
$30. Requested.
[02:16:37] Unknown:
So, if I don't have any cash again, or can can I send a silver coin to somebody somewhere?
[02:16:47] Unknown:
No. Not at this late not at late not at this late time. Oh, okay. You know, I've I've been trying to shut down I've been trying to shut down sign up for this so we could actually get started on the course for a couple of weeks now. Oh, I suppose you could sign up after the fact and you could, like, catch up or something. What kind of silver coin are you talking about?
[02:17:23] Unknown:
There is some kind of link on on his, comp a lawyer site poll about making a donation in silver or gold, I believe. And my suggestion there would be just to try to contact them.
[02:17:41] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. Give that a shot.
[02:17:53] Unknown:
Because I'm pretty sure to make this silver donation, that's what is there to to contact them.
[02:18:00] Unknown:
Right. Wasn't that a silk? Was that an Austrian silver coin that I sent to you last time? I don't remember. Were those silver coins or 50 I'm $50 now?
[02:18:18] Unknown:
You sent them to who?
[02:18:25] Unknown:
The, the, well, I sent a silver coin to I thought it was you, but, that was when that was when, we took the the, militia course. That's how I paid for my last one.
[02:18:52] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I wasn't, I wasn't the one that coordinated the militia course. You probably sent that to Merka. You didn't send it to me. Okay.
[02:19:05] Unknown:
Thanks, Paul.
[02:19:07] Unknown:
You're welcome. Okay. I think it's about time to take the, stream down just so I can get, processing the archive and get on with my day and, get caught up on some things. So thanks everyone for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, the Sabadeau edition for, Saturday, November 8. Is that today? Wow. Okay. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. Our website is thematrixdocs.com, and, you can, use that address to, catch up on all things freedom related and stuff. Thanks for joining us. Ciao. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[02:20:35] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle. Now you're breaking the
[02:20:41] Unknown:
chase.
Opening bumper and stream housekeeping
Hosts set the mission: freedom, nationals, and Saturday call-in
Light banter: cat antics and reduced platform lineup
Where to listen and join: platforms and thematrixdocs.com
Core process overview: affidavit, passport, and choosing your battles
Caller Annie from Florida: filing victory and first steps
W‑4, withholding changes, and next steps guidance
Deprogramming from permits and licenses; private vs public
Why the message is niche; building numbers and outreach
Community resources: nationalstatus sites and IRS path examples
Encouragement, spreading the word, and staying engaged
Dave & Gary from Tampa: IRS letters, payroll flags, and life updates
Industry side chat and IRS notices 2021–2024
Revocation of election debate and form 15103 discussion
Seeing what is hidden: conditioning examples and perception
Process details: notices, proof, and setting boundaries with IRS
Nonresident alien line, correcting records, and faxing affidavits
Strategy: W‑8BEN, Form 8233, and 1040‑NR zero filings
Clarifying 9revocation of election9 and amended returns
More callers: ongoing IRS correspondence and rebuttals
Language aside and pivot from taxes
History corner: Reconstruction Acts, Johnson9s veto, and state overthrows
Reading list: Mises Institute, Austrian economics, and resources
Deeper research: Fourteenth Amendment scholarship and cases
Qualified immunity typo claim and Reconstruction oddities
FOIA vs Privacy Act requests; using records to compel corrections
Aviation, shutdowns, and broader current events mentions
Economy, layoffs, and closing the public stream
Post‑show chat: pay during shutdown, meetups, and tech platforms
Admin wrap: trust class info and final sign‑off
