In this episode, we delve into the intricacies of national status, citizenship, and the legal challenges faced by individuals seeking to assert their rights. Our discussion covers the historical context of state citizenship, the implications of the 14th Amendment, and the complexities of navigating the legal system as a national. We explore the administrative processes involved in challenging state and federal authorities, including the use of affidavits and the pursuit of declaratory judgments.
Listeners share personal experiences and strategies for dealing with legal and bureaucratic hurdles, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's rights and the power of individual action. The conversation also touches on community preparedness, the role of local governance, and the significance of maintaining communication and cooperation among neighbors in times of crisis. Throughout the episode, we highlight the ongoing struggle for recognition and the pursuit of freedom within the existing legal framework.
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Oh, thank you, Alvin. So would we. We're gonna take another stab at it here at least for a couple hours on the Saturday edition of the radio range. Roger Sales, your host, Mark, and has long for the ride today and don't know who you are, but I hope you're, taking time out of your Saturday to see if we can learn you something, I suppose, or have some kind of good dialogue. Good morning. I I know we're on a real abbreviated list of, helpers today. So, Paul, you wanna cover those real quick and we can plunge into the to the program?
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Yeah. That's that's gonna be really easy. It's just us girls today.
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Wow. It is, yeah. Not a lot of people are doing other things on Saturday or they're not up or something. I don't know. Anyway, we started these Saturday shows back when the Biden administration got in, because, it seemed to me people would be interested in what we've got to say. And if they have questions, they usually can't call in on the weekdays. So here we are to folks to call in on Saturday. Don't have too many of those, but we've had some pretty darn good shows on Saturday over that time period. Paul, you were gonna say something?
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Yeah. Like, within five minutes before the show, there was only one or two people in the conference. And now there's 24. So it's 25. So Alright. We picked up a couple of dozen.
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That's good. Good. Pretty quick. Literally a couple of minutes. So Uh-huh. I wonder, I wonder if any of them are from the rinse program, or programs. But if you are and you've got questions or you just want to stick your toe in the water here in the deep end of the pool, we'd certainly love to speak with you. If you've got queries, we'd like to get it straightened out. I didn't have an awful lot of time to do that on the, on the Jeff show. And as I think back on it, he was he said at the end of the last show, he said, well, you buttoned that up real good. Well, really, we didn't. There's a lot of other things to cover, but I think Jeff was, about, over covering all that stuff with the detail. And I I don't know. I think Jeff has a totally different idea of the future than we do. You know, I like to say there's hope here, and, he's just under the impression that these guys are gonna crush us. And I don't think that's it. I don't know how biblically grounded Jeff is. I think, we are to probably more of an extent.
But, anyway, we'll see where that goes. Hopefully, we'll get some folks out of that. And, if not, it's like I said, going into those interviews. So, you know, I mean, I've I've I've tried not to get my expectations up on these things because they very rarely get met, if ever, in these big appearances. So, anyway, if there's any of you from the rent show, we'd like to speak with you. Say hello if you wanna say hi. And if not, we'll just roll on with something. Yes, Paul?
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I think Jeff Rents is, he's a very biblical guy. But I think where the where the disconnect is is the point in biblical history and prophecy where he is compared to where we are. He's thinking that that we're we're fixing to jump right into the three and a half years of turmoil and, hell on earth. And I don't think we are putting ourselves in that spot in the timeline, And nobody's gonna know how it's gonna shake out until we get a little bit more time under our belt.
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You know, the thing is, I think Jeff was raised Catholic. I think, like, I heard him say that one time. I don't know of another another way to confront these people and beat them, and we beat them every time. You know, remember the Gandhi thing? First, they ignore you and then they demonize you, then they fight you and then you win. Well, with our approach here, we we win at the first step where they won't demonize us because they're so damn scared of the information we've got. They don't wanna put this out in public. And then there is no fight. You haven't seen anybody fighting with them, have you, of our people. And and we won at the very start. So we kinda take a whole shortcut around that. As I said, I've studied history a bit over the years.
I've never found anybody that had these guys in this position before. But, boy, it's difficult for some people to grasp, I think. So, anyway, well, we just keep putting one foot in front of the other. We got looking for numbers. If we don't get numbers, then we've, gotten a lot of god's people out of the way of harm. Now here's gonna be one of our big attributes here was being able to pull people out of IRS. Well, if that's gonna go away, I wonder, Mark, are are they going to have to as they switch over to paying the debt through tariffs? Are they gonna have to leave a a path for us to get through the responsibility of owing those taxes as we don't now with IRS.
So it's just interesting thought, you know. Don't know the answer, of course. But, anyway, we're going through so it's very interesting times. That's for sure. So that's about what I know. Is anybody got anything they wanted to start the show off with today other than my commentary? I heard it. Cool. I asked Larry again. Larry, well, you took up the last half the last hour yesterday's show. It's only fitting you should start first hour today's. Hey, buddy.
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Hey. Good morning. So yesterday, I asked Brent, the question, to whom do does a national owe their allegiance? And he said to the land. And I remember one time early last year, a student called in to the program and they asked you where our allegiance is and you had a couple of like a couple of the list of where you show your allegiance. And so I don't think that land was included in what you were describing.
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So can you maybe give your thoughts on that?
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Alright. I will. The stall smallest state is the land. Right? I mean, you with Florida. Correct? Well, now that you're over under the national status, you're back over under constitutional protections. And so it's god that walks on the land that you're that you're given allegiance to through the state. K? I think pretty easy to figure out. So that's would be my answer. I mean, you say where's your I'm not I'm I'm not resident to the residency of the fourteenth amendment. Where's your residency? Well, if I'm getting my rights from god, I owe god my duties and therefore my residency is in heaven. Isn't that right?
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Yes.
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Okay. Well, isn't that your answer?
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Well, I remember you said, I think one of them was, you owe your allegiance to, I think, the is it the sheriff?
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If someone came
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No. I didn't say that.
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There's a list of a couple of categories. I I I don't remember what you said. I don't If the immigrants came down from another state and tried to invade that your allegiance needed to be somewhere to help No. You know? I want we weren't talking no. We weren't talking about allegiance. There, we were talking about protection.
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Remember the formula. Allegiance for protection.
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Oh, yeah. You have protection. Okay. Yeah. You're right. So your state now
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and the militia they're in, if you're part of that in that age group, then they're supposed to help you protect yourself from the invading invaders like the migrants, for instance. Okay? But that that's all revolving around this little formula. And, I think I've always been pretty consistent on my answers on this. The state and the land, well, the state is the land. Let's look at you know, remember, if you, take the example. I remember John showing us this and play it in your mind. If you'll draw or you can play it on paper if you want. You draw two parallel lines vertical.
K? And at the left is gonna be the national state citizen. At the right is gonna be the federal citizen. So at the top on the state citizen, you put God because that's where you got everything from the rights and everything else, state citizen now, Larry. But secondly, you were a, you were you got your rights from God. You were a state citizen first, and you were a citizen of The United States Of America Second. Now isn't the citizen of The United States Of America in that configuration with the states, Larry, aren't they nationals? They're national citizens, aren't they?
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Yes.
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Well, okay. Well, there's your answer right there. Okay. God, state citizen, citizen of The United States Of America. Now the federal side, you don't have God at the top. You got the federal government at the top. And first in that line down, you're a citizen of The United States, a federal citizen. And second, you're a state citizen, but only if you reside. Did doesn't that give you your answer?
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Yeah. I was, I was mixed up in my mind. You can't hear this stuff enough times. So it was the protection. I remember this student called up and said, what does the attorney general owe us protection from? And that's when you gave the example of some migrants coming down.
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Well, man, or let me give you a better example. Let me give you a better example. They're supposed to protect you from rogue sheriffs that are running around charging you traffic tickets because those traffic laws don't apply to you either. And under these theories, the state is supposed to protect you from that, and they're not protecting you. They're prosecuting you.
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Roger, do you believe the attorney general should also protect you from the state taxation laws? Because I've been like helping some students and they've had trouble with trying to avoid the state income tax. They don't owe for the federal, so they don't owe for the state. And I've even found in the statutes that in Colorado, Georgia and Michigan, they have it in the statutes that they have it or each state has it ordered a little differently, but in general, they all say the same thing that it's just like you've always taught that if you don't owe federal, you don't owe state. And so when you try to invoke that statute to the state tax commissioner that you're responding to or anybody else in the state, they just totally disregard it. They just and we even include the attorney general, and the attorney general doesn't seem to do anything. And I'm thinking that attorney general owes us protection from that.
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Well, they do. But if it's legitimate their their intrusion of the federal government, you didn't owe any Fed. You in every instance that I've ever seen, you take what you owe and you plug it into the state form, and that's how you compute state taxes if you owe them. Well, if you don't owe any federal, then how what do you what do you do with the zero? Well, I you know, first of all, I never told you. They're not even acknowledging their own laws. Well, I That's so frustrating. Well, shit. What am I supposed to do about it? You know, it reminds me of the I'm not sure if you can do anything. I'm just I'm just letting you know how what we go through out there. You know, I'm reminded of the, the vice president. I don't remember his name under Truman.
And, he was writing in his autobiography about some of these sessions with Israel back in 1948 around that time. Right? And and they were in one of those sessions and Truman turned to him. He said, Jesus Christ didn't satisfy satisfy him two thousand years ago. What the heck you expect me to do? I kinda feel like that here. You know, I tell you, we don't have a lack of filing papers problem. We got a lack of education and understanding problem. And this situation that you're bringing to us, excuse me, is the exact representation of that. Mark, can we take them to court? We take them to state court. I mean, you know, Alba came in with Mike. You gotta go He is first. Okay. Go. But but look at Mike over there.
Yeah. Go go. I'll shut up and let you talk, Mark.
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Well, you gotta go through administrative process first. Now Mike in Alabama, he had a traffic case, which is different. But you're talking about taxes. And taxes, you you can go through an administrative appeal process.
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Alright.
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And when you exhaust that, which usually is your last hearing is in front of an administrative law judge, not a real judge, but they're an administrative law judge, and you lose, then you have a right to appeal. You got to watch your timeframes, which you can appeal that into a higher court. In Oklahoma, if you're battling the Oklahoma Tax Commission and you go through your final step of your appeal process, which again is the Administrative Law Hearing, then if you lose, you appeal it to the Oklahoma Supreme Court. So now when it comes to a state not upholding the law, I was always told that if you can take that into federal court on a state political issue. So if the state is not honoring a statute, you could sue the attorney general in federal court and have the federal court make a decision.
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I was gonna add Mike with his traffic problems. Well, that's what accelerated to the tax problem. The state Alabama came back and said, we don't care if you're a resident or not. If you owed federal tax or not, you owe Alabama state tax, and they stole 2,500 from you.
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Oh, wow. Well, they don't do that, right up front. There was a long process. And if you tried some off the wall response, which I've seen so many of, and it breaks my heart. You know? They they don't look at the core issue. They they just I don't know. People are not trained in the art of law. And so I've seen some responses that I'm like, well, this doesn't address the issue. You know? But the the thing with the state tax is clearly because this is what we're battling in Oklahoma. It comes down to your adjusted growth income.
That's the first question on the resident tax form in Oklahoma. Now we we went with the resident tax form because it says, if you're domiciled in Oklahoma, well, we consider this listener, one of your regular listeners, Roger. They were born in Oklahoma, and they've lived in Oklahoma, and this is their permanent home. And according to Oklahoma's definitions, you're domicile here. And under that that definition, the Oklahoma Tax Commission says you fill out a standard resident tax form. And on the very first line, after you put in your personal information, the very first question, umero uno, numero uno, is what is your adjusted gross income?
Well, since he filled out a form, ten forty n r for a nonresident because he's a nonresident in relationship with United States, it his his adjusted gross income was zero. So now they're balking at that, and we're putting together a letter. And, you know, the next step will be asking for our administrative appeal process. What's our next step in the administrative appeal like you tell people to do? Yeah. And we'll go through that process. And once we get get all the way through the administrative process, if we're not successful, then our next step would be appeal to the problem of Supreme Court.
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Yeah. Hey, Larry. I never told you this is all gonna be a rose garden. Okay? And these are some of these people we didn't we we kinda knew they existed out there, but now we're running into them who are desperate for funds and they're functionally illiterate as how these things work. And because everybody else always has to do it, they assume that you do too. And they don't wanna recognize our differences. We have to make them recognize our differences.
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Now there is a way to sidestep some of this, and that is still exempt on your w twos. And and that's where most people are, you know, they're trying to reach back and get their withholding. I I and this was excuse me. We've had a lot of people that had no problem with their employer. If you didn't owe a tax last year and you don't expect to owe a tax this year, you can go exempt on your w two. Now still withhold state. It'll still withhold federal, the FICA for Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, all that. It'll still be withheld. But the bulk of your taxes are are from a personal income tax with the feds, and then that follows with the state.
So, and and each state usually has its own form to file exempt, and you have to update those every year. So what I recommend people do is mark off the end of the year, and be sure that they file an updated w two for both the Fed and the state. And now you don't have any withholdings. There's there's really no argument. The IRS should show that you're, you know, you're nonresident zero income, and that should be the end of it. And that's what's interesting in Oklahoma's case is that the we took the transcript from the IRS and it shows that their adjusted gross income is zero and that they owed no taxes.
And even with that in our package, they're they're balking at it. They don't wanna accept it.
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How can you be so different? Isn't that the question they're asking? Yeah. How can you be so different? Exactly.
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Yeah. Well, there's also some looks like there was, I don't know. They're they're looking at the income, which is above most of the average Oklahoman's income. Probably, you know, definitely above Oklahoma tax commission employees, and then they're paying zero taxes and they're all And they don't like that. They're salivating. They want you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you got some jealousy going on in there.
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Larry, this is one area. You know, I never really even messed with taxes when we were first starting to teach this thing. We've gotten into it a little bit as we've gotten deeper into it over the years. I don't have any answers for people that refuse to recognize this. It's my same complaint with traffic stuff. What do you do there? What do you do when they absolutely refute when that excuse me. When that magistrate in Irondale, Alabama looks Mike in the eye and says, I refuse to recognize your affidavit. What do you do? I mean, Mike tried. He he he messed up because he took his appeal, and he, didn't get it in timely. And they have enough of a fudge over there on the time limit to refuse his appeal. They didn't want They don't wanna look at this.
K? They don't wanna come out as an appeal and if I have to find by the way, that's about I was told about the first place you really get real laws at the appellate level. You agree with that, Mark? I'm sure you do. I do. I do. Absolutely. At the appellate level where they really gotta look at real law, they'll they find this thing. Well, we can say that you didn't get this in in twenty days, so that's what we're gonna say, and we won't have to deal with it. Well, Mike then's only got one other option. He can take it to the Supreme Court of Alabama, but he couldn't find any attorneys that could even understand what we're doing.
And he didn't have the time and the money and the effort, and it takes a lot of stuff to take a case to the Supreme Court of the state. So he's sitting there. Okay. Screw me. Go ahead. I'll pay you. You steal the money here tax thing, and I'm just gonna go ahead about my life as best I can. What do you do in that case, Larry?
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Yeah. I I get it. It's just kind of frustrating, to go back and forth, like, especially the attorney general, and you tried multiple ways to re explain the same thing to them, like, at different angles, and they don't even respond themselves. You know? No. They it's just like there's the common law hat
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sitting in their closet, and they refuse to go in there and pick it up. Yep. Put it on. They don't even know it's in there probably. That's but but many of them don't. I agree with you. And see that now comes to us. We gotta educate these people somehow. And if they don't wanna listen because you're a peon and didn't go to some prestigious law school like they did, but you know more about the law than they do, well, they don't like that.
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Well, this is where this is where if you really wanna push that, you wanna look at filing for declaratory judgments. A declaratory judgment allows the court to make a decision on a legal issue without somebody going to jail or without somebody, you know, having to pay a fine or tax. It's just you're asking for a determination on a legal issue. And you can file that. It'd be a petition for declaratory judgment, and you serve the opposing party depending on what the issue is. It might be your your local county district attorney. It might be the state attorney general. This depends. It might serve both of them. You've got to bring it into some county where you live.
So we have some so the court is empowered to hear your case. Right? So that's you can start that process. But I really want to encourage people to be very careful because this is something very important that I learned from Larry Beecraft and then later from US Senator Lankford from Oklahoma that you can set bad case precedent. And we've had people not knowing what they were doing, going up on appeal and they set bad case precedent that was very difficult to try to get an appellate court to hear that argument again. Yep. And then I learned that from Beecraft. I was like, oh, man. They didn't say anything about that in my legal education in college.
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But see, that was the problem go go ahead, Mark. I'll chime in. Go ahead, Russ. I'll just say that's a problem I had in Atlanta with my IRS case there. Was it I first of all, I I didn't understand all that in regulation stuff, and and I didn't bring it up in the hearing. So the the first problem I had was I couldn't carry that to an appeal because I didn't bring it up and understand it at the lower level. And then the second part was I didn't wanna go into an appeal there in the eleventh circuit being, you know, uncomfortable in that setting and everything else and blow, an opportunity for them to rule against somehow this what I discovered, which is what Ralph Winerout discovered, which is all the IRS regulations are all interpretive, which means they only apply internally to the IRS.
And here they have all these years, nobody's ever confronted them with that, March, to my knowledge. Yeah. They they if they're if they're coming after you for failure to file or something, you you should be able to get all that stuff kicked right back out because all these inter all these are, IRS regulations are not for me. They didn't go through notice and comment.
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And that you stack our status as a nonresident alien on top of that. As a national, you're considered in relationship to the federal government, you're you're a nonresident alien. So, you can get it kicked out. I look at it layers. Like, how far can we go? How many how many layers of protection can I build? The first one, out of the gate, I like is the national. Because if if their rules and regulations are just, you know, internal, they certainly don't apply to me. But as a national, I'm definitely out of their jurisdiction. And so if they can make it over that jurisdictional hurdle first, then we can go on into the regulations as a secondary defense.
You know, so I like to build up layers of protection if I can. And if they can't make it over the national status, then I win. If somehow they contort their way to make it past the national status, well then I got this whole other argument about, you know, interpretive regulations don't apply to me. So that's the way I kind of look at it. But I'll tell you what, I personally feel it's just this is just me. You know, the the whole traffic thing is a sticky wicket in our in our national status because people, you know, they want to say, well, you don't have to have a driver's license and that might be true in lots of states. Matter of fact, well, Roger, here's a good example.
In Nevada has a statute that specifically says, you don't have to have a driver's license. If you're non commercial, you do not have to have a driver's license. Nevada has it? Yes. Yes. I've seen the statute. Yeah. I have it in my resources somewhere. And and I had a, a good friend, James, in in Vegas that I have talked about, to our groups. And, he helped a gentleman fight a traffic case, and they wanted to throw this guy in jail. And and I don't remember. I think they had to take it up on appeal because the lower court was just not gonna appear or or, what's the word I'm looking for?
They weren't gonna admit that that was a law and and that was one of the charges they had against him was he didn't have a license to drive. And they're like, Nevada doesn't require it. So now I don't know if that's changed, but I don't think it has. And I was pretty shocked to see that whereas in Oklahoma, their laws seem to be quite the opposite. It's like, if you got a little motor on a tricycle, then you need a license. That's about how bad it is. Now I'm serious. That's about how bad it is. If it can go over, I think, 20 miles an hour, you need a license.
No matter what kind of wheels, if it's got a motor on it and it's got wheels, you need a license. It's Oklahoma's stance. Now we probably need to back we need to probably research that and see if that address is commercial or non commercial. But I just this is just my opinion. I'm more of a lover not a fighter. You know, when you've been through the the challenges that I've seen in the courtroom, you just realize you do not want to go to court. It consumes your life.
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That's right. Do everything Even if you win stay out of the courtroom.
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Even if you win and many times you lose because you've had to sacrifice your life to get a win. Yeah. It's a conclusion I came to a long time ago. A motor or an engine? They have a motor or an engine? Oh, yeah. I don't recall. Let me tell you this. This is kinda interesting with all the, oh, the electric stuff here in Ecuador, and they're pretty strict on their traffic stuff. You don't have to have a license. You don't have to have a helmet. You don't have to have anything on these electric scooters and whatnot or even little little golf carts, I guess.
And nobody bug nobody bugs you. They're trying to get those things. I think you got out of the VAT tax too when you bought it. So they were really trying to push a lot of these electric things. I considered buying me one of those little electric bicycles, man. Yeah. Yeah. But, anyway Please don't. That's how they own all that here.
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Please please don't buy don't buy electric bicycle. Those bicycles are, oh, not safe on public roads.
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Yes. Yes, Larry.
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Yeah. A question for Mark. Has Mark, have you given any thought to amending that Oklahoma return and trying a non resident return with this person that you're helping?
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Well Maybe that might be the solution. Well, no, Larry. The solution is to ask them oppress them. If if the form five eleven that they have is not the proper form, then you tell me. My My good one of my really good mentors, Pat Patton, who fought the IRS and finally won, they finally come and said, Mr. Patton, we're gonna leave you alone. Pat was funny. Roger, check this out. He'd have an appointment with the IRS agents and if he had to run errands, he'd leave the front door open and put a note on there, come on in, there's coffee. You know, coffee on the on the kitchen table.
And and he would show back up and they'd be sitting on the couch drinking coffee. You
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know? And
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it was just very interesting relationship and finally they're just like, they could not overcome his arguments and they finally just said, We're just gonna leave you alone. You know, we're tired of fighting. We're just going to leave you alone. So, but Pat had this when I when I first met Pat, he I learned this just really important thing. And this is why I like to just get really down to the nitty gritty quick in all my writings, including briefs to the courts. It's not it's not what I know, it's what they know. So instead of him writing pages and pages of pages trying to teach them what the law is, he asked them pointed questions about particular issues in the law.
And it put the burden back on them and that's when they would go quiet.
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Yeah. I tell you, Larry, getting with have you ever gotten in front of IRS agents and tried to go over, regulations? No. No. I don't want to. Well, well, the Patriot people go to a lot of lengths to learn all this stuff, you know, thinking they're gonna have some confrontation. They're gonna give you some knighted. You know? You go in there and try and question these IRS agents. They don't know jack squat about the regulations. All they know is they're supposed to get you in there, intimidate you the best you can they can, and turn your heels upside down and shake as much as they can get out of your pockets. That's all they know.
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True. Very true.
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So, yeah, it's just one of the well, you know, the thing is well, hold it. Linda, you gotta reconnect. You're underwater again. The good news here, Larry, is it doesn't appear like we're gonna have to deal with the IRS much longer.
[00:35:39] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I know. I've, I was listening to an interview yesterday by an IRS agent that was fired, and they trained him for, like, eight months. And he was talking all about how, what really goes on, you know, behind the scenes. And he was saying that the computer system that they use is a green screen computer from the nineteen seventies. That when they have to go to audit a corporation that they have to go into this computer that was that still has the software and the build from an from the nineteen seventies, it literally has a green screen, and it has all the information, about everybody that's ever filed taxes. He said there's 1,000,000,000 returns that are are filed in that thing.
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Yeah. Pretty amazing. Me. That's up at Martinsburg, West Virginia is where the main computer is for those folks. Linda, did we get you back? Because you were real garbled the second ago. Hear. Can you can you hear me? Well, I hear you now, sweetie. Yes.
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Okay. Great. I wanna make two comments. Number one, when you ask Larry to do the vertical lines, I always see the goats on the left and the, god fearing, god godly, no nation on the right. Okay. Yeah. Alright. It's just my own way of thinking,
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being on the right hand of the father. So that's Linda, I didn't quite catch. What do you put on the left?
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The GOATs. The GOATs are the federal government. Okay. Federal citizens, the residents of the state of the citation. But on the right side, I put the heavenly father, the national, the land, the resident of heaven, protection from my heavenly father. So the little estate has to protect me. So that's number one. Number two, in my affidavit, Larry, I had to really wrestle with the same things that you wrestled with or maybe continue to wrestle with. And so I needed to make it very clear on my affidavit. So I made it like a proclamation. So I did one whereas, as, I, lady Linda Louise, comma, a Proverbs 31 woman, comma, eldest of five daughters, comma, the expositor of my own communications, comma, declare myself to be a national of The United States Of America, owing allegiance to my birth state, Colon, North Carolina, 1 of the 13 colonies, semi colon.
My mother, colon, Lila Louise comma a widow, Psalm 68 verse five in parenthesis, close parenthesis, at age 22, where she raised me with my four younger sisters in Massachusetts. And although I am considered homeless as a transient sojourner, comma, my dominion, Genesis one verse 28, is an Isaiah 61 sanctuary to heal the brokenhearted and to set the captives free on the land located in Connecticut. Okay. So that that made it clear in my head that the state my birth date was land. Where I'm laying my head is land. Where I was raised is land. They all happen to be 13, 13 colonies.
Then the next whereas, I said allegiance to a smallest state is defined by my heavenly father's son, colon, Yahushua, who was asked by a scribe, colon, quote, which is the first commandment of all, unquote. He responded, quote, love your love the Lord your God with all your heart, comma, soul, comma, mind, comma, and strength, period. And love your neighbor as yourself, period, unquote, Mark 12. The smallest state is my neighbor of which my savior, Yahushua, wants me to love. It is this law of love, agape love, no conditions, that I, karma, lady Linda Louise, pledged my allegiance in order to achieve a quote unquote more perfect union, semi colon. So you see, in my mind's eye, in my head, in my heart, in my spirit, when I did my affidavit, there was no mistake of my comprehension as to who I was. Now this took a long time for me to execute because I didn't want to just do a slam bam, thank you, ma'am, affidavit.
I wanted mine to be a historic document, handwritten, and calligraphy, and I yelled.
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Okay. I hope that helps. Very good. Well, you covered a lot of ground. That's for sure. Yeah. There's no requirement. I mean, you can do your affidavit however you want to make sure you happy and fulfilled and satisfied. And, Linda took a little bit different track from most folks, and that's just fine. So, there you go. Thank you, man.
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Yes. Hello? Why the smallest, This is Dan. Why the smallest state when the constitution always had a capital c for citizen and a capital c for state? Well, because talking about the state of Albany. Because that's in the legislation
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where they the changed, state citizen to national, Dan. That was the nationality act of 1940. And, if you go look that up, there's a number of definitions right there under the act. And definition a is a nationalized total allegiance to a small estate. That's where it came from. Now if you take that from the statutes at large over to title a and immigration and naturalization act, and they will differentiate the states for you. And that's done either in the act or over under the certificate of noncitizen nationality, on the state department. Twenty one a.
Yeah. Right. The 11 o one say. Right. They give that statement again, a national owes total allegiance to a small s state. And then down a couple of paragraphs, they give you all the capital estates as all the federal stuff. So that's where it is. Alright. You know, I could go back and but you say in the constitution. Well, you know, chief justice story. Pretty pretty celebrated jurist there, the the early part of the country. In his commentaries on the constitution, he says a a citizen of the state is ipso facto a citizen of The United States.
Well, you see, back then there was only one status. And when he said United States, everybody knew what he was talking about, United States Of America. But he didn't have to differentiate it back then because there was only one status. So you get these little things if you look at this historically, but I would follow whatever the the evil empire's, directions are, because then you're using their own rules against them. Yep.
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I changed my affidavit to the secretary of state, and I capitalized the s on the affidavit you created. I thought that was I was like, oh, they overlooked this s, and I I capitalized
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it. I I don't think there's anything wrong in that sample affidavit. Now do you send that in like that? Nobody's gonna catch it, and you're not an attorney. You're not expected in health these higher circumstances as if one of them would be. But, I don't think it's, you know, it's no harm, no foul. But just for your own edification, we try and follow their directions on the stuff that they've got up to date and in the recent past because that way we're using their rules against them.
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Hey, Rob. I'm one little bit pissed that I actually lost a few weeks of sleep, small less than the biggest after I sent that thing.
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So Well, if you're if if if don't lose any sleep over it, go back and redo it and resend it. You'd just be Yeah. You know, cancel and supersede and change it, and then you'll sleep better. Mark, was that you trying to say something? Cancel super Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Remember Gavin from California?
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Yeah. He'd been on the show a couple of times. It's been a while, probably six, seven months ago. Yeah. Well, Gavin and I have had kind of a running conversation about the definition that eleven oh one a 21, allegiance to estate, and that's a small s state. And what, what we were wondering was what what you know, we look at the legislative intent. So what were The US Congressmen and women drawing their definitions from? And come to find out, and again this is Gavin, I want to give him a % credit. The guy's a fantastic researcher. He said it that on the floor of the House and Senate, they would have at that time a Webster's University's Dictionary Unabridged book of 1940.
This thing is about 18 inches tall. I was able to buy one as soon as he told me about it. I went on eBay and I found one delivered to my door for $35. Nice. I think the shipping cost more than the book. It was huge. Probably. Probably. And so, so under state with a small s and there's they differentiated it. So under a small s state it gives several different definitions. One about the condition, another one about rank, another one about mode of living. But the fifth one was, again smallest state is definition number five from 1940, '1 of the commonwealths or bodies politic which together make up a Federal Republic which stand in certain specified relations with the Central or National government and as regards to internal affairs are more or less independent, used especially of those which combined to form The United States Of America.
Not just United States, but this is the group of states known as The United States Of America. Current appellations or nicknames applied to the states of the union and to their respective native will be found in the following list. So in that following list they gave every state what its abbreviations were. Like Alabama was A L A, Arizona A R I Z.
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That's the old ones.
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That's the old ones. That's what used to be put on our mailings was those abbreviations And so they went to a two two character, all capital letter,
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abbreviation. So And didn't they do that at the same time they did ZIP codes?
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Yeah I believe so. I'm not for certain on that. I never researched that all the way out. So now if we if you turn the page on this now they got states and all capital S. And in general it says the bodies that constitute the legislature of a country in contradistinction to the assemblies of provinces specifically the name given to legislative assemblies of France before the revolution. So in that largest state they're talking about a country. Right, and in our interpretation it's a federal government. So those are now Gavin's next step and I don't know if I'll get to help him with it or not, but we want to go look, and we've got a connection with somebody who can go to the Library of Congress and look at microfiche and so forth. But we want to go look at the session law that was passed by Congress regarding the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1940 and see if we can find some some further information that might help us down the road. So anyway Yeah. I hope I hope that definition and again, you know, where did Congress come up with these definitions? Now if you look at the modern definition, you will not see that on a small s state.
And so people people have misinterpreted that when they look at eleven oh one a 21, a national owes allegiance to a small s state. They're looking at generically across the board and they enter they're misrepresenting what that state definition is. And apparently, there's a difference because a small s state and a large capitalized s state. Right? So anyway, I hope you will help. There's
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another place you can go poke around. Hold on a second. There's another way you can poke around on that, Mark. It's to go back into IRS regulations and see before 1957 how they classified Hawaii and Alaska, and then after they took them out of that when they became states. So, there's another angle there. Yes. Who was trying to say something?
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It's Jack in Colorado.
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Hey,
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Jack. I had a couple questions. And just some background, I submitted my ten forty n r a year ago in February, and it sat in their system for a year and came back. Well, they just shot me a a threat of a, frivolous filing fee that I'm dealing with and with the help of our but, basically, I'm redoing my ten forty n r because I had some errors on it, and I'm gonna go that route. But, but also the state hit me with, like, 20 k worth of fees. But I feel like I can resolve that in the future if I can get my tax statement to stay zero because I can take that argument and say, how can I pay state tax if IRS says they have no income? So, anyway, that's some background. But one of the and while I'm going through this, a little bit stressful, but I'm thinking about, like, if I had to go make an argument, all the pieces of the argument and the evidence of how you can become a national. And, if if I had to, you know, state it in front of a court and point everything out in front of a court, which hopefully I never will, one area where I think there might be a weakness where somebody could argue back, and I want to get feedback on this, on that certificate of non citizenship that we were just talking about where you find the smallest state, that's also where it it says, basically, through some convoluted language, if you were born in this in the state of US citizenship on one of these islands, you can, you know, make a statement that you wanna be a national and not a citizen. And so that's what we use to hang our hat on.
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Now what hold it hold it hold it, Jack. Let's let's talk about what you just said. Now for the audience, that's the statement down at the bottom of the certificate of noncitizen nationality at the very bottom of the page. And there's a paragraph above it, which says if you're in the Northern Mariana Islands and you're about to turn 18, either so many months before or so many months after, you can go in front of a judge and make that statement. I, Jack from Colorado, do solemnly swear my intent to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. Now I think what's going on there, I think that at some point, Northern Marianas was classified in with American Samoa. My best guess here, Jack.
So, but that's what that is. That's where it comes from. And I think you see, when we understand what we're doing here is we're rebutting a presumption. It it doesn't really matter how you say it. It matters that you whatever you say, you rebut it. And that certainly does that. Okay? And so that's where we okay. Well, let me finish. That's where we took that and brought it over for us to use, and I used it as an illustration. K? But the Northern Mariana Islands, I don't believe, are still in that configuration with American Samoa. So go ahead, Jack.
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So yeah. And so to that point, I feel like if somebody wanted to push back and say, no. You can't choose to be a national and not a citizen. They could push back and say that argument, you can only do that if you were born on the there. I would you can't do that if you were born in Colorado.
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It doesn't matter where the hell you're born. What what you what set of laws you live under is your choice, and if it's not, it's tyranny. I don't give a damn what they say. That's what I said with that, magistrate in Irondale, Alabama. Well, what other court testimony, sworn court testimony don't you recognize? Do you realize that you're an open tyrant? You're you're you're overturning two hundred and fifty years of established lawyer or more? You're you're infringing on my right to make my decision as to what flags and what laws I live under? Well, you're an open tyrant, you bitch.
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No. I agree with you. And so just as the devil's advocate, and I'd love to get get Mark's opinion on it. That's the only place that we've ever found that says you can actually choose to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. And some of the, somebody in the court might say, you don't qualify for that, those lines of of code because you weren't born in one of those islands. Well,
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I'm sorry. Go back to Patel's law of nations that was written in about 1750. Every man has the right of personal political self determination. That statement is echoed in the UN Charter. Are you gonna throw all that out the window there, ma'am? Does that not mean anything to you?
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No. It's I mean, you're I think you're right. It's just it's like, if you were to if I was to have to explain this in a court, it would be it would be convoluted. I don't remember all that. Could be. I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat that for you. I'm gonna be rattling that off the top of your head.
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I'm gonna you're gonna have some notes in front of you and and And you're gonna have something you filed.
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I'm gonna repeat judge learn at hand. His paraphrase here, to defend one's rights, one must be a belligerent claimant. How belligerent freedom ain't free. You're gonna have to fight for it in some circumstances. How belligerent are you, up to being to defend your freedom? That's the question for you. Hold on, Bruce. We're in the middle of a discussion. So you see that now? More question.
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Okay. Yeah. So, anyway, am I correct that that's the only place anybody's ever seen where you can declare yourself as a national and not a citizen?
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It's the only one I've seen.
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No. There's court cases that support that. Well, I mean, I'm not through my research.
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Okay. In the meantime, another quick question. I wonder if anybody on the call or if anybody that you've ever talked to or anybody has anybody ever talked to has been able to get their refund back and and get the IRS to say that they don't owe any taxes and also get the state to agree with that, or is the state always been an obstacle?
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No. Very rarely. It's just lately, and I think it's because the economy is so bad that they're all scrapping for funds.
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And so somebody has is somebody has gotten their state return back successfully. Oh, that'd be interesting to hear.
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Yeah. Well, I I Houston, Michigan.
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Houston, Michigan. I believe. She she filed her state and, bam, they gave her a refund, like, super fast.
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Okay. Cool. That's good to know.
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I mean, generally, the state is pretty much a pittance to the federal. I would imagine if you got your federal back, I would I'd just shine it on and run on down the road unless you just wanna really be stickly.
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Okay. That's that's all I had for this morning. Thanks. Okay. Alright, Jack. Good to hear from you.
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Okay, Bruce. Just hang in there. There's a lot to learn. Almost all these topics that we discussed, you can find a supporting court case. And let let me add this. Roger said something and I think it probably went over everybody's heads. File your paperwork in a court, whether it be administrative or not. And you like in you're thinking, well, I gotta just have all this on the top of my head. No. You don't. You typically when you write in court court documents, you write a brief or briefs are typically in an appellate level, but in the lower court, you file memorandums of law.
And here is where we might write several pages educating the court that here's how our status is different and here's how the laws apply. And here I have the right, absolute right, to self determination. Nobody can make this decision for me and they cannot counter it. And when you get that in your mind that you are the master of your citizenship
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status, you're gonna be a lot further ahead. And and I'll tell you what else, Jack. You're talking about do, having to rely on your memory for that in court. If you've written all that and submitted it to them, it's it's admissible in court and bypasses the rules of evidence. You can use it to read from it, and they can't stop it being put into evidence because it's in that administrative pile.
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Exactly.
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Capisce?
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So, yeah, so don't get wound up over this. I mean, you got a long ways to go before you even have to worry about this stuff.
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Yeah. Please don't get the cartwheat horse.
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Yeah. But it it's we've boy, they've done a good work or a good job of putting us in a state of fear, Roger. Yep. You know? And that's that's that's their control right there. Yeah. Every year from January to April 15, they start publishing all these cases where tax protesters had all these awful things happen to them. Well, I promise you that did not happen overnight. There was a they had to have they give them an opportunity for a, Oh gosh, Roger, what was the name of that hearing? Is it CP something? It's a collection, due process collection hearing. Right?
So with the IRS, they have this due process hearing, which is nothing more than, hey how much do you owe? But here's where you get a chance to put your documents into the record. Right? So you're putting these documents into the administrative file and and then after that if you if you don't make it through their administrative process you can appeal it. But they don't come kick down your door overnight and and take stuff. And and even then, they don't the IRS doesn't kick down your door unless they think you're you're, doing something criminal and they're gonna haul you off to jail. But again, that's not just overnight.
They're not going to garnish your bank accounts or put a lien on your property or all this other stuff until you've gone through quite an administrative process.
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Again, and this tells you this isn't admiralty law because admiralty law, they could come do that. But here, they got a process to follow. And if they don't follow it exactly, you can beat them in court on the fact that they didn't do something correct or they didn't do something at all. There's process process process.
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Okay? Let me throw one other thing in there. This is why I believe everybody, I don't care what what your, you know, level of wealth is, you should have property over into a trust. Because if it's sitting in a trust and it's a properly done irrevocable trust, then it really doesn't matter what they try to do to you. Yep. You don't own anything. There's nothing they can lawfully take from you. And if they do take it, you can have your trustee get it back because it doesn't belong to you. So this is, I think it's critical for most people, especially if you're in our position where you're challenging somebody like the IRS.
You know, I just feel like especially if you're a business person. If you're a business person, you're like walking around with a bull's eye on your back because you're if you're out there operating in the public, doing commerce in the public, you're you're prone to getting sued. So you, you know, you wanna try to protect your assets as much as possible.
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You know, we've had very few examples of cross and storage with the state taxing authorities. It's only come up recently. I don't remember another case until recently, and I think that's because of the economy and the shortage of funds, and everybody's hungry for a cha ching cha ching. Aren't they, Bruce?
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Oh, yeah. Tell me about it. Well, we went into a situation with a phone company, and the lady was buying two phones, and it ended up to over a thousand dollars with two phones. And they said, plus taxes. And I teared up and said, oh, we don't pay taxes. They said, yeah. You do. You gotta pay taxes on the phone you get. I I said, we're nationals, and we don't owe any taxes to anybody. You're the business. You're the one that's supposed to pay the taxes. Get the hell out of here. We don't wanna see you back in this place. Blah blah blah blah blah. I walked back in with the with the affidavits as secretary of state and serve them at that point in time. Now we're gonna do administrative process on them, and they gotta answer every line on the administrative process we give we we serve to them.
If they don't, answer every line we have in there, they're in fault in thirty days. That affidavit is the law of the case right there.
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Okay. So, did you walk in without phones? Hold on. Did you walk out without the phones?
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They kicked us out of the building. Okay. So you didn't get it here. I came back in here. I came back in there with the affidavit to the secretary of state, proven we were nationals. That's the law right there. They don't wanna abide abide by the law. They're in fault.
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Okay. Right then and then us You got it. Let us know how it turns out.
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K.
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Let us know how it turns out. And I think I'd never thought before. I had that guy Rich on the show one time, and he was he said, you the sales tax is not for you. It's for the business. Well, that makes total sense to me. The business is the one that went and applied for life and got a business certificate and all that. That tax should be held on them. They just try and spread it out to you. If not, they're gonna have to raise the price of their goods. Okay. Well, let us know how it turns out, Bruce. K?
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Well, I'm just I'm just trying to give y'all an example of what you got in your hands and you're not using it. You know? Well, it's just some Bruce,
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you gotta understand most people don't want to be confrontational like that. They'll take the low road.
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So why are they doing what we're doing? Why are they doing what we're doing?
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Well, they some people aren't ready to fight every little nuance. Some folks are. It's just a difference in personalities. I'm not telling you not to do it. You didn't hear me say that. Oh, I know that. I'm saying that, Roger. I understand. I'm just saying that. Why aren't why aren't there thousands of people here at this show today, Bruce? I don't know. That's Well, I've seen their thing as theirs. I don't know. You know, it's like brother Dave Garner. Somebody asked him a question and and he said, well, I don't know. And they said, but I thought you knew everything. He says, well, I do know everything, but I don't know that.
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Okay. Well, I think I take a little different approach to that, Roger. When it comes to sales taxes, I like to try my best to reverse engineer everything. Farmers have certain exemptions from sales taxes. Okay? Churches and nonprofits, they have exemption from sales taxes. So figure out a way that that you can be, you know, recognized as being, tax free status, and now you have a different ball game. You just whip out your whatever you got, a card or whatever and and Right. You know, hey. I'm tax free. Now if you can't get one of those, then you're gonna have to go to the level of what Bruce is going through. Right? Well, now what how do you go about getting established as a church? Don't you just apply to the state or something? Yeah. Yeah. I go to the secretary of state's office, and Oklahoma is $50.
And and then you can, get a tax identification number from IRS, and that's really all you need.
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Yep. So there you go, Bruce. There's a little easier way to attach it attack it, I should say. But Well, I I never tell anyone
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national ship. You know?
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No. I I tell people I don't know how far you wanna press it. That's up to you. Bruce wants to press it all the way down to the sales tax level, and that's fine. I'm not gonna tell him not to do it. But some people aren't comfortable doing. Some people are just think that making the less waves is the best.
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And and there's there's potentially another way, Bruce. I know, in most states, if you if you're a resident from a different state and you come in and and buy stuff like, there's people that drive up from Dallas and buy furniture in Oklahoma City because one, it's a lot cheaper, and two, they don't have to pay a sales tax on it.
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Yeah. Right. They're all state.
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I mean, I'm not And then in some instances, if you ended up having to pay some tax that you shouldn't have to pay, there's, I think there's a way that you can recoup that from the state. Probably. It's better not to pay it at all if you can. But in in some states, I believe they have a a method for you to say, hey. I shouldn't been taxed this. Please give me a refund.
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There was somebody trying You got some different angles to look at. There's several people trying to get in. I hear Larry. I thought there was another guy there, so I'm trying to say something. Yeah. Yeah. This is Chris from California. Hello, Chris.
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Yeah. Good morning. Yeah. I just was gonna mention something that, you know, we've all heard before, and that is, you know, it all depends on what heal you wanna die on. Yep. What's it what's it worth? And we've got so many problems that we need to resolve that, do we have time to do it all? Probably not. So, we have to pick and choose what seems to be the most significant and what might bring back the greatest benefit for us. And so we we we have we have to look at this carefully because our resources are limited and our energy is limited. And so, so for Bruce, I just tell him, you know, yeah. I I'm I'm aware of people with that are, you know, for the taxes and and so forth, the driver's license, all kinds of things.
But we we gotta go to the core of this,
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I think.
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I heard an old Patriot say one time, Chris, don't fight the battle you don't know you can can't win.
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That's right. Exactly.
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Okay. Larry. Yeah. It's Larry. This is Jack. I was just trying to say that Wow. That, both Larry and Jack can't go. Jack, hold on. Go ahead, Larry.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was just trying to say I I'd like to play the devil's advocate. And, you know, what about the merchant's rights? You know, he he doesn't have to sell that phone to, Bruce. Bruce is gonna go, start an administrative process. If this ends up going before a judge, the judge could, just say, well, listen. The merchant didn't wanna sell you the phone.
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Well, he's got the ability I don't think he know what the administrative
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process is.
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Yeah. I was actually mister Jack, I was actually gonna say something very similar. Sometimes you can go into a store and that you can buy things and it says, you know, no tax, and that's because they build the tax into the price knowing they're gonna have to pay it. So if they haven't previously built that into the price and they're asking you to pay the tax, then if you're not gonna go along with that, that they can choose not to sell it to you because you're kind of working against their business model.
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Have you ever seen the sign we refuse the we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone? No. You've never seen that sign outside my business? No. Well, I'm
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I'm not asking you No service.
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I'm not asking you about the phone. I'm asking you about the general principle. Have you never seen a business with that sign before? I have. Can refute well, then you I don't know where you've been, but, they can refuse business anyway. Hello. There's a phone call. Yes, ma'am? Yes, ma'am? Is my pizza ready?
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Well, you're
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Tom, man.
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Hey. Alright. We got Joe and we got Boris. Boris is first. Joe will get you. Go ahead, Bory.
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Hey, Brian. How you doing? Alright. You always tell you always tell us that it's not fraud until you discover the fraud. Okay? You discover the fraud. What you do from there on?
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You mean here?
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Okay. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. You you got you got their fraud.
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Uh-huh.
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Well, I don't know if that's fraud. It's just that they're path trying to pass that on to you, and Bruce is saying we don't have to pay it. So they kicked him out of there because they No. No. No. No. No. No. I say I the the national, you know, like, the US citizen
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is a fraud because they pass that against the people. You know?
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Well, I'm sorry. Nobody know what they're doing. Wow. There's a whole lot of layers of fraud in there. Yeah. With the citizen, with the federal citizen. Okay.
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Okay. If it's fraud, why can we go about that fraud?
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You you know, Boris, I I don't know. I try and teach this stuff for people for fifteen years, and you you get a handful of people that it registers with that wanna do it. I I I don't have answers to these questions.
[01:12:11] Unknown:
Because everything is is a lie. It's it's everything is no, you know, all fraud. Why we doing arguing about something that we know is fraud? How can we fix it? If we because if if you discover the fraud, where do you go and say, hey. I discovered this.
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What we gonna do about it? Does Bruce wanna go back and do the research in Missouri that shows that the AT and T Soros attacks and he doesn't
[01:12:40] Unknown:
and go through all the steps and maybe Okay. No. Right. But I'm not talking about the phone. I'm talking about being an an US citizen and being a national, you know. Alright. I'm talking about the fraud that they doing with us, Not not the fraud that they doing with the pastors
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and Bruce.
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I'm talking about the information that you show us in here. All we can do is
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fraud. Okay. Well, it is. Best item, Kjell.
[01:13:07] Unknown:
So come out or Okay. But how would can we where we go to where do we go and say, hey. We discovered this fraud.
[01:13:15] Unknown:
How can we fix it? Well, the only thing you can do is try and do go to some legal authority. Most of them aren't gonna know what you're talking about. Just like Mike trying to talk to lawyers about taking that course to the Supreme Court, none of them understood what he was talking about. You gotta go with some of them or you're not gonna take it to court. Yeah. What do you think? But I I may Boris, hold on. But it's the way that they bring in their stuff too. You know? It's the way that they bring in their stuff. File the affidavit and live your life as a free person and be an example to others. That's the best answer I can give you. Okay.
You've already got the remedy. Thank you. Right. Free. You're the individual. What more do you want? I mean, I want him to recognize this. I'd love for it to be common parlance in the country, and maybe we could get rid of some of this Zionist influence everywhere. Okay? That'd be my deal, but hell, man. I can't I don't know how to do it. I just got on a show two nights with a huge freaking audience, and they're in one person from those shows on this show today or yesterday or probably Monday. Well, so what can I do? Did I not explain it good, Boris? Did I not do a good job on Jeff Rents?
[01:14:33] Unknown:
No. You explained it good, Roger. But the thing is if we discovered the fraud Well, there's your answer. Why aren't people here? Well, because everybody is not looking for the truth. Right? Everybody is don't wanna be safe. Everybody don't wanna do the legwork. Everybody don't wanna do be free. I don't I don't know how to make them look for the truth or recognize they don't want it. I don't know how to do that. Okay. But we got we we got the truth. We got the truth. We know that this is all fraud. How where do we go and say, hey. We discovered this is fraud. Do you screw it screwing us. Go to court?
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Well, you're not gonna get any recognition. What judge Oh, okay. Is gonna be the judge you're as shit. Let me answer your question. What judge is gonna be the judge that turns this over and is the goes down in history as the judge that pulled the bottom card out of the damn house of cards? Which one of them is gonna do that?
[01:15:34] Unknown:
I'll I'll tell you. Anybody know that they do it, we have to we have to do a good battle and win win the battle, then they have to admit that this is all right.
[01:15:43] Unknown:
You know, I'm doing the best I can do, which is trying to get people. If they wanna know the answer, I did it to them. You can't force us on people. We better be Don't forget about people they don't wanna know, Troyer. We wanna be we want them to to recognize that we find out about their fraud. I'm I'm sorry. What you want in the issue, what they want is the issue. You can't want something for somebody
[01:16:09] Unknown:
worse than they want it for you. No. Not for the people that don't know. I don't care about the people that don't wanna know. I I care about us right here, brother. Us. Why? We we in here. Okay. What?
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What? Care about what? Okay.
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What about our freedom? About, you know, telling everybody that this is fraud and and make them, you know, like, agree they yeah. This is all fraud. Well, you can't get them to leave. Because when when you send them the letter, they stay quiet. Okay. You caught them in the light right there because they stay quiet. They don't got nothing to say. But, one other step that we have to take for them to realize that we caught them in the light.
[01:16:52] Unknown:
Well, you know what? If I knew that question, Boris, I guarantee I'm tee you. I'd have done it ten years ago.
[01:16:59] Unknown:
You got to do the work, not Roger. He's given the work. No. No. I'm not talking about Roger doing the work because I know. We know we know the information already. But I I gave you an example of how you can handle this in front of the people that don't understand what's going on. You do the affidavit in administrative process. They gotta answer each line in that affidavit in thirty days. If they don't answer it, it's the law of the case. You Okay. Because they don't recognize it. What you're gonna do in that point? When they don't recognize it, what you're gonna do then? Like, look. You take it in front of a magistrate or whatever, and they gotta sign it because that's the affidavit that has cured to be the law of the case. Okay. That's your affidavit just like you sent to the secretary of state. Thirty days. That was the law of the case. Okay. Everything is beautiful. Yeah. That's that's beautiful was when that no happen,
[01:17:52] Unknown:
what you gonna do then? When they don't recognize not not when they don't recognize your paperwork to recognize why you gonna
[01:18:01] Unknown:
The the process is is the key to the remedy. The judge has to sign that affidavit after thirty days. It's the truth of the case. That is the law of the case. Right?
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I don't know what administrative remedy you're gonna take to AT and T here. I I don't know what you're talking about. You know? Right. They refused they oh, god almighty. Can we please finish one of these conversations?
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Roger. Roger, may I?
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I'm sorry. Roger.
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May I, Roger?
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Yes.
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Joan Joan was trying to get in there.
[01:18:41] Unknown:
Oh, shit. There's all kinds of people that are trying to get in here. I don't even know what we're talking about. Bruce has got some administrative process against some corporation. You can have to okay. Well, good. Go. I agree. Let's know how it turns out.
[01:18:59] Unknown:
It's Michelle.
[01:19:01] Unknown:
Hello. Yes, ma'am. Roger. Hold on, Marco. Who's this lady? The wrong question is being
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the wrong question is being asked. Who are you? What can this is Rochelle in Idaho. Okay, Rochelle. And I understand this gentleman's conundrum because I had the same problem. What can we do about this fraud? It's everywhere. And when I finally came up with my answer, it began with, who is my boss? Is God my boss or the religious Pope my boss or is the creator my God, Jesus, my boss? So I went back to the Bible, went back to his law, and I put now I put all my trust in God and even before I knew how to write everything properly, I knew I had to make a statement to my local government that they were causing me potential harm and real harm by not if they did not recognize my true status that I belong to God and he is my boss.
And I didn't write it like that. It was a nice affidavit. I only gave it to my commissioners and had it recorded as a deed a couple of years ago in my county courthouse. And the reason is this has worked for me at the beginning. It was a start. Is because I had to show I was experiencing harm. And wherever you're getting harm, if you're a landlord and you're losing your properties because you have overtaxation, over control of the government, there's your harm. A pastor came into the commissioners while I was there, unbeknownst to me I do know him.
He gave an affidavit, a full affidavit of why he was having he was being caused harm because he was being forced by the commissioners to request a a release of taxation on his church. And the pastor said to him, I cannot even by my own moral conscience, I can't even ask you for relief because I already have the right and the mandate from God Almighty to leave my flock and I don't I should not and I cannot even ask you to give me a partial or full relief of taxation. So therefore, he said, I'm not paying taxes. Our church is not paying taxes. We own our church. They weren't five zero one c. They went through that whole process to get out of the government in their church.
So that's one example of a pastor, how he handled it. So you have to identify the harm that you're getting. And like Linda Louise said, when you write your document, it does become and it should become a historical historical family document for you and your family. And because I'm old and I'm just crippled and I'm nobody, I'm really not a threat to my commissioners. They didn't do anything to me. In fact, they thanked me for standing up, which I think is kind of unusual. And I don't know what they've done to the pastor. But the important thing is we each have to do something on our own. And if enough of us do it, that's the only way because we just have to recognize who's in charge and refuse to comply with the others and that has to be the hill you tie on and it's kind of scary but you you don't have to go all the way, give every county you ever travel through a notice of this and that. But if you're going to travel through that county and you think they might bother you or they have in the past, that's the county I give a notice to or any, any agency that is a threat to me. And after that, I'd let everything just go.
And I yield, and God bless you all for doing what you're doing.
[01:23:28] Unknown:
Roger. Hey, Roger. Thank you, Rochelle. Oh, geez almighty.
[01:23:31] Unknown:
Marica Bob's there. America Bob at yes. Hi. I wanted to say Bruce is right. We are we are sending our administrative process, lawful legal notices, and and informing them that this is an affidavit of true of fact and that they need to understand that if they don't respond, like Bruce was saying, they need to respond. And if the if they don't respond, they're on default. And that's what you need to do, Bori. If they're on default, you take them to court. You get your taxes back. You have that's things that you have to research and go over and do the process to do that. And, yeah, not everybody's gonna do it, but we can, whoever wants to, you know, put them put them in line because we need we're the ones that have to do it. We have to take the action.
And Joan was waiting and Bob's there too, Roger.
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Okay. Joan?
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Hi. Hi. Hi. I think what Bory was asking because when he mentioned the word fraud Hey, Bari. Are you there? When he mentioned the word fraud, what came to mind to me was mortgage fraud. Mortgage fraud. And so I think he was just asking for, like, when if Roger discovered mortgage fraud, what would Roger do? I think that's what he was asking.
[01:25:04] Unknown:
I didn't get that question. I thought he was questioning how we turn other people onto this. And all you can do is put it in front of you. No. No, Royer. No. Royer. My question,
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Royer, my question is, you know, you discovered the fraud with the citizen chip with The US citizen and The USA citizen. Okay. You send the affidavit and they stay quiet because it's all fraud. Yeah? And then Well, not if we discover the fraud, why can't we
[01:25:35] Unknown:
They stand quiet because it's your choice, not theirs. They can't say anything.
[01:25:44] Unknown:
Okay. Okay. But it's all fraud. No?
[01:25:48] Unknown:
Well, there's a number of layers of fraud from the asking the question, are you a citizen of The United States? That's not full disclosure. They say, are you a citizen of The United States or a national? That's full disclosure. So there's your first layer, and there's layer after layer after layer underneath it, best I can tell.
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Okay.
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My question was that, you know, that if we discovered that all this about the citizenship and The US citizen is fraud, how Right. People where do we go and say,
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hey, we discovered that you are doing all this b s. Okay. Alright. And I'd say it's all fraud. That was my question, right. Well Thank you. I mean, you either gotta take them to court or you gotta go to the Department of Justice in The US and either one, I guess, but I don't think you're gonna get any satisfaction out of either one of them. Well, that's what we're trying to do is go person to person, Bory, and get enough of these affidavits in there where we put the pressure on them to address it. We got to have numbers.
We have no teeth if we have no numbers. But and if we don't have any numbers, then we all are God's children, and we got to pull ourselves out of the beast, and he showed us the way. And it's an individual thing anyway. I mean, we hope it'll turn to a group thing, but really, it's an individual thing. If you got other just like John Benson said, the only way, Boris, you could protect your liberty is to go find somebody and help them protect theirs. So really, it's up to us individually, isn't it? Because I you're never gonna get any satisfaction at where they're gonna they're gonna give you some court case where you go, see here. Look here. They've been lying to us for all these years. Look what these slavers been doing. I I don't think you're ever gonna get that judgment out of a court.
Why hell? Well, yeah. Look at William in Augusta. His magistrate friend there doesn't even know what a person is for God's sakes. These people don't know these things. So that's our dilemma, Bory, is to spread it person to person, buddy. That's why I'm here six days a week for two hours. And how may when's the last time we had a when's the last time we had a new person here? Julie, back in January?
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If you're gonna have some new ones.
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I hope so. Well, we'll see. I mean, it doesn't matter. Dan, if we don't have any new ones, I'll be sitting here doing the same thing over and over again. Okay? This this Anyway, alright. Now I got Bob there. I got somebody else. Bob, how are you doing, buddy? Sorry.
[01:28:37] Unknown:
No problem. It's been very entertaining. Okay. Good. I feel your paid, Roger. You're herding cats. Yes. You're herding cats.
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No, that's right.
[01:28:50] Unknown:
A little bit different tack here. I've got an article on Zero Heads that's very interesting. It basically is a summation of your last ten years of radio shows, but it misses one key point. Can you guess what it is, Roger? No. I have no idea about national well, two things. They have no idea about the national status, and they have no idea about the feudal system. And he touches about every other touchstone. He's got Canoes, Empire of the City. He's got the act of 1871 incorporating the municipality of DC and giving the residents of DC some kind of status, etcetera. He goes through Sutton's books. He goes through The Wizard of Oz. He goes through it quite extensively, in fact, as far as the alliteration of, you know, the gold and the silver, the Tin Man being the industrial guy, the what's his name being the Cowardly Lion, William Jennings Bryan, etcetera.
Yeah. He had the facts, he just didn't have the courage to go ahead, etcetera, etcetera. It's, the name of it, it's it's by today's standards, you know, three paragraphs and you're done, the Internet age of micro microwave, journalism. It's quite lengthy, actually. But the the the title is what if the America you pledge allegiance to isn't the one running the show? Yep. I'm good to hear. What if the America you pledge allegiance to isn't the one running the show? Yeah. They go into the city of London. They go into Washington DC in the Vatican then the three pillars, you know, etcetera etcetera. He goes through some mythology and he dismisses it as being potentially not valid, straw man, and all that kind of stuff. No offense, Mark.
But at any rate, it's a really good read, and I don't have the, acumen, if you will. I've never replied myself to it. I don't I've never been on Substack unless it's somebody's link to it. But my guess is if somebody could reach this author who is given, as the byline on his Substack and and communicate with him through the comments if that if that's done, I think it is. He is right for the picking. He's got everything except he doesn't have a clue about the national or
[01:31:14] Unknown:
the feudal system. Well, it wasn't Tyler Durden who authored it, was it? That's their PIN Well, Tyler Durden
[01:31:23] Unknown:
Tyler Durden is just the generic name for whoever's in the, editor there. But, no, it's Joshua Stillman and Substack, and it's linked to it. But, my old browser won't even bring it up. It just gives me a a dead link. But Uh-huh. Anyway, it's a really intriguing article, and it's very, exhaustive. It gives links to multiple books, and he goes through Mandel House, and he goes through, Philip Drew administrator. I mean, it's it's pretty in-depth. It's really good. Uh-huh. He just misses a couple key points that you've brought over.
[01:32:02] Unknown:
That shows that a lot of the undercover information is getting public notice and this is their threat is that's growing through the population. You know, Bob? Yeah. I I I just it's like with RINCE, you know? I mean, years ago, I've been trying to get on there for a long time. Never could. Now I get on there and, well, it's like a turd in a punch bowl. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, really Well, you did a good job. The other one. You explained it well. I'm sitting here doing what what did I do wrong, you know, trying to self criticize myself. But it this is just the the overall dilemma that we've always had with this information.
It just reaches a small percentage of people, and what you've gotta do is put it in front of enough people to find out who it resonates with. And when one of them resonates, then you grab them and throw your arms around them and educate them the best you can.
[01:32:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, concerning Bory's dilemma, I appreciate his thought, but to me and I'm not trying to be critical. I'm just looking at it. I I I hope objectively, but everybody's subjective. We gotta be real. I mean, it's an individual fight. And to ask for some overarching authority that you can go to to say, hey. I caught him. What do I do? I mean, that's almost antithetical to the point that it's an individual choice. It's it's as if we're incorporating common law and and civil law and to say, hey, you know, it didn't work that way. I mean, it's a personal thing. It's you can't really in each individual instance, yeah, there may be somebody you can talk to and say, I'm out of here. But, you know, you can't go to the ministry of Well authenticity and say, hey. I caught them. They don't give you a gold star for that.
[01:33:46] Unknown:
See, the them standing mute means that you've gotta go after them offensively for the fraud. K? Right. Right. They already agreed with you.
[01:33:57] Unknown:
So Interesting point.
[01:33:59] Unknown:
And I don't know any of these. Like I said, you're trying we just try and educate the people we can come in contact with and like Harvey, you know, when he was up there in couple of years ago in the registrar's office and he took the affidavit in, tried to get registered as an elector. The Winesong family is kind of a celebrity up there. His mom still living was the oldest living voter in the county. They all knew her. They're very active politically. And so, you know, Harvey gave her that, and and he was off on the other side of the room doing something. And he looked back, and the supervisor of elections was reading his affidavit. In the midst of leading up to an election and all the hubbub and everything else in there, she stopped and read the affidavit. Well, I I I don't know any other way to do it except that.
Right. I'm sure not gonna be able to elections that's I'm not foolish enough to think I'm gonna go file some court case and spend all that money and have some success, man, just be be grateful we got our freedom. I I agree we wanna spread it, but that it's person to person the best I can tell. It's the only way that's ever been effective to me. And I'll illustrate again point. And you're concerned and you're voting. Here's here's two huge Not not. Two huge audiences. There's not one person that's been on the show from those two RENT's appearances. So you tell me, Bob.
[01:35:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, like like I say or I I agree with Bory that it'd be nice. I just think the the concept is ill advised because there is no overarching authority that can validate the fact that we're right. Well, other than god. Well, we do. Secretary of state does. He doesn't say anything. I mean, I take it at that. Well, exactly. That's what I mean. It's not like you get well, boy is looking for a public acclamation. You're not gonna get it. You know? Go ahead. You know, I appreciate a cinema.
[01:35:56] Unknown:
I was trying to tell one of the guys in Born of Cyrus about this years ago, big big big boss man. And he goes, Roger, I'll believe your stuff when I see it on the front page of the New York Times.
[01:36:10] Unknown:
Yep. Well, he pretty much sealed his fate right there. Yeah. Interesting point. Then I've gotta go. I received a jury summons yesterday. Yeah. And it occurred to me that I've been negligent. I've been telling myself for years that I'm going to go to the, supervisor of elections and talk with her. I actually know who she is. Went to church with her, etcetera. And I was gonna explain to her what was going on just whether it mattered or not, whether she take it up or not. You know? But there's a second page to this summons to come in to get selected for jury duty or not.
And the second page has a list of like 20 things that would exempt you or postpone it. Postpone, an example, would be if you're a new mother within the last six months, you're exempt. Okay. And but you'll be on the next time. But the first thing on the list was I am not a US citizen, and I thought, well, there you go. That's my big boss, bro. That pretty much does what I need to do, but I think I'll attach some paperwork to it and send it back in. Put a copy of the ad. And I need to I need to I need to attend to the voter roll thing. I've just never done it. Of course, when I moved down here, I got on the voter rolls because I was blissfully ignorant and unaware, and it just seemed like the civic duty to vote. You know? Mhmm. So, anyway,
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interesting thing to say about that quiz. Talk about validating their fraud, the whole voting thing. Go ahead, Paul.
[01:37:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, my two daughters were in and about, and I held that up to them. And I I showed it to them. I said, what stands out to you? And they both picked up on it immediately. You do. Yes. It is. Well. I mean, it's not hard. It's the first thing on the list.
[01:38:02] Unknown:
How's mom doing after the surgery?
[01:38:06] Unknown:
Well, she, graduated from physical therapy as far as anything formal. No more going to PT, but she's, you know, supposed to stay diligent and do it herself two or three times a week, if not more. But Right. Went to the doctor, actually saw the doctor that installed the hip, not just a a PT or a clinician, and, he gave her a pretty clean bill of health. He said, basically, if it don't hurt, you can do it. You know, it's up to you. Just be active. Don't don't be lethargic and don't back away from it. But Yeah. Basically, anything that doesn't stretch it
[01:38:40] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, says you're you're good to go. Okay. It's up to you. Alright. So Alright. Well, that's that's good deal. For it. Okay, buddy. Well, thanks for checking in. You're you're loud and clear today on your, communication here.
[01:38:53] Unknown:
Yep. Good to know. Well, check out that article, folks. It's a really good read, and, it brings in some, sources that I was unaware of in a few in a few instances. Got some charts that contrast, real law, you know, positive law and and administrative, and he's very well aware of all that stuff, the author. Wow. And it just seems funny if somebody could get to him in the comment section on his substack, he would be right for the picking.
[01:39:20] Unknown:
I would say if you wanna put something in there, I'd give a link to God's trump card, interview with the badass uncle Sam. Thank you, Bob. Yep. Yep. You're welcome, buddy. Hey, Roger. You soon. Alright. Yes. There's somebody. Is that Danny?
[01:39:36] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. I got some suggestions about where to take, notices of fraud and things that I because I've been working on some things along those lines too. Okay. Talk right on the phone. Well, I'm not on the phone, but is this better?
[01:39:51] Unknown:
Yeah. It is.
[01:39:52] Unknown:
Okay. Like, various places have, departments of, risk management and, maybe or a risk management officer. And, that's their duty is to protect the city or whatever body they're with from, liabilities that, they could avoid. And so I recently sent a letter to the, city, risk management department here, about their, their some deficiencies observed in the officers, the police department. And, this gets back to something you brought up earlier too talking about the traffic stuff. What I have discovered is that the police do not know what the legal technical definition of vehicle is and how to use it properly.
And, actually, you kinda go through it, start analyzing it, but vehicle is something that's used in the transportation industry. Transportation is a part of commerce. And so, like, the guy that, was talking about where the judge asked him if he if he bought gas. Well, that was commerce. Well, yeah, that was commerce, but it's not transportation. And transportation is the particular kind of commerce that's involved in roadway or surface transportation in particular. And, so I wrote this letter to, the, the, risk management department. And I I got a little story from the past where something happened from contacting a risk management department.
Several years ago, when I was living in Houston area, a girl there I knew got herself put in jail by a JP for a while. And, so I started off the, habeas corpus trying to get her out with a higher court. Oh, wait. Gotta go to the original court, first. And so, I thought, well, I just don't know how well this is gonna do, but I heard something about the risk management department. So I basically took what I had in the habeas corpus, re reformatted it, and and wrote it up as a letter to the risk management department. And, well, if I was to JP, it must have been the county.
And, pointed out all these things that they did and stuff to do and took it there. Well, I wasn't able to get right to the person that would work on it, but I got it turned in. So, you know, it is most of the time, something that comes in is gonna be like a claim on a a police car crashing into to somebody or something like that. And so they got a, you know, timely process, but it's not urgent because it's already all happened. And, in in her case, though, I I pointed out these things and that it was a a continuing harm and accumulating liability.
And, you know, I put that in, let it do what it was gonna do, then I go back and wrestle with those courts and things. And so that didn't ever go anywhere. So finally, I gave up on that. And then she's supposed to get out on on a Saturday, and so I went on Friday to see if I could talk with her for a bit about, you know, getting her back home and stuff, and she wasn't there. And when I found her again, she was saying that when once they decided they wanted her out of there, they couldn't make her move fast enough. They had a a matron there. They said, get your clothes on. Get your clothes on. Get your clothes on. Put your shoes on. Put your shoes on. Put your shoes on. And they started coming out And said, I don't know what it meant, but she said she had this purple card that she waving around. Everybody got out of the way and got the doors open, and they got her out as fast as they could. So I had to be that risk management department. Finally, somebody read that letter and said, get rid of this.
And, so that's the basis for for doing that. And I wrote this letter, feel to, here. I try to make it polite in helping them to keep out of trouble. This notice is sent to provide you information about avoidable liabilities due to training deficiencies that have been observed in officers of the Jackson Police Department. The first is deficiency is a lack of understanding of the legal definition of vehicle and has been observed in officer's testimony in court. When questioned about how the officer determined that a particular automobile qualified as a vehicle according to the legal definition, the officer was unable to provide a sensible answer.
And then I give the, place where the, definition is, and and the definition here is vehicle and freight motor vehicle means every device in upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, accepting the devices moved by human power are used exclusively upon stationary rails. Well, it takes some analysis to go through. That word transport is just a, the verb form of transportation, and transportation in another place is declared to be a part of commerce. And I go on then. This is essentially same definition of vehicle found in your municipal code at section 15 dash one zero two. The practice and used by the police department and court professionals appear to just presume that anything found on a roadway is a vehicle and have the charging officer parrot the necessary technical terminology to make the case without the officer actually comprehending the testimony.
Anyone understanding this definition and continuing in the customary manner displays a moral slash ethical indifference to their acts. This definition has been used somewhere in the country for a century. Still displaying a lack of understanding gives an impression of this deficiency being intentional rather than oversight. Regardless of whom may have intentionally arranged the various circumstances that brought this about the situation appears to be currently propagated through the Tennessee Law Enforcement Training Academy. No allegation is made that the city has intentionally adopted this practice, but it can demonstrate an intention of correcting this deficiency.
Even though the deficiency is technical in nature, officers on the streets could easily comprehend the legislature's intended and stated meaning by being provided a few examples and counterexamples. Transportation using a vehicle being a being commercial as indicated by, Tennessee code annotated 55 dash 50 dash one zero two, and or and ordinary natural right travel using a nonvehicular device may be difficult to distinguish from a distance how officers however, officers could be taught simple procedures for evaluating where a very particular device slash car qualifies for the classification of vehicle.
Also, officers have been known
[01:47:26] Unknown:
Bruce, you got much more of this? You got much more of this? How many pages is it?
[01:47:31] Unknown:
I mean, the idea It's about a page and a half. Well, with the rest of it, it doesn't matter so much. It's just some Okay. Ticketers that you used to stay good. Letter. Alright. Well, you wrote a good letter there. It seems like your person got some,
[01:47:46] Unknown:
at least one could surmise that that could have an effect on it. I'm sure they don't hustle them out every day. But, you never did hear anything back directly from them on this submission. Right? Oh, no. I don't expect to.
[01:48:01] Unknown:
Another place that I have used before here in Tennessee was the, state auditor's office because they're using improper procedures and things along the way, and it's just to collect money. And, I did see an effect in in one case, but, you know, there they say on their website, they will not confirm or deny whether a investigation is going on. So you can't find out anything. You just send it in, and they do what they do. But I did see a change, through the DA's office, of one thing. So I think that was them only because the courts just, you know, they dodge and twist things around so that, you can't really, get much of anything.
[01:48:50] Unknown:
They're they're pretty good at it.
[01:48:52] Unknown:
But on this whole idea of giving out notice, I've got a whole campaign kinda planned out. You know, next is also bring up to the, state auditors again, but, aside from that, there is also a, few years ago, I heard a guy on a program, that he, you know, been involved in things for a long time, got beat up and and different things happening. He was in Washington state, I think he said, but then he had moved to Colorado, and people are being arrested for these traffic things. And somebody, he got on something about I know it was US Department of Transportation, who it was. He notified, but he told them about it that, you know and that wasn't something they're supposed to be doing.
And, apparently, they agreed, and they end up he didn't know quite what happened, but there was a special session of the legislature called to change things. And they got things changed, and that stopped. So, I'm planning on doing that kind of thing too because, registration of licensing of a car to be used as a vehicle is voluntary. Going to get a driver's license is voluntary, and then they turn around, and and impose it on people as if it were mandatory. Yep. And so bring that up. But be and because they've done that, and how many people are really not engaged in the transportation industry but having these conditions put on them by local police and others improperly, well, they're basically creating fraudulent records that they turn around and use through the federal government for funding.
So contact some of them about fraudulent records and explain this why they're fraudulent. Okay. And just whatever they're going to do. How about contacting Elon Musk and Doge? Oh, you know, that that's part of it too. I've contact the other things that I can find. We got a we got a request into, local congressman for for funding sources that rely on those records for determined amount of funding. And so I'll do there and let that go for a little bit and then, then contact Doge about this too. I've already looked up a number of people and addresses that are involved in it, so I can get it to somebody that might bring it forward.
[01:51:27] Unknown:
Right. Danny? There's already people floating the idea about state Doge agencies. Yeah. Who's the female there?
[01:51:34] Unknown:
It's me, Marco Roger. I wanted to share a code, with Danny. And if you can repeat the codes for me too, that he used because I wanna look those up and see what how exactly the information is defined on there. But the code remember I shared the code for California, transportation, it was vehicle code 260. They have two definitions, one for commercial vehicle and one for purse a passenger vehicle. And it, a is a commercial vehicle is a motor vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code, used or maintained for transportation of persons for higher compensation or profit or designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property.
And b says passenger vehicles and house cars that are not used for the transportation of persons for higher compensation, or profit are not commercial vehicles. So it goes it clearly states that on the vehicle code, and it might be the same for each state, but I'm sure it reads a little bit like this. Different. So uniform. Look into that. All the traffic stuff is uniform. So somewhere or another, they're all the same.
[01:52:54] Unknown:
Yeah. And and I think the more fundamental thing is the definition of vehicle, not something something vehicle, but vehicle itself because these things are defined in terms of being a vehicle, and that's what they don't ever prove. I mean, you know, certain size vehicle, could be a certain weight. So they got their weight. Well, yeah. But assuming that it's a vehicle, Why why is it a vehicle? So that's that's my approach is vehicle.
[01:53:23] Unknown:
Because I just Daniel was I was gonna ask you if you're on Telegram,
[01:53:28] Unknown:
so I can we can connect there or if Roger can connect us.
[01:53:33] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. I don't know. Dan, are you, on Merca's Telegram group?
[01:53:40] Unknown:
No. Not,
[01:53:41] Unknown:
not so far as to Do you have Telegram loaded? Pure do you have Telegram on your phone?
[01:53:47] Unknown:
No. Well, I don't have a phone that's up to that. Okay. Well, sorry, Marco.
[01:53:53] Unknown:
I I Danny, if you'll send me an email, I don't think I've got your email in the, in my database. But if you do, I'll send it to Marco. K.
[01:54:03] Unknown:
And quickly, can you stay on after the call
[01:54:06] Unknown:
after you leave, Roger? Because I know this isn't of your interest, but it is No. It's not. It's not at all. Yeah. You guys can after we get off the air, you can transfer on the Hey, Rich. I don't think there's any any foul there. Yes.
[01:54:21] Unknown:
This is Jack. Just wanna quick change the subject to what I was thinking about. I don't if I was you, I would not be so sure that there aren't people from the Rich Show listening to this show because sometimes I mean, it took me three months before I spoke up. Actually, I think Well, maybe. So Maybe. Don't beat yourself up.
[01:54:40] Unknown:
Well, I'm not. I've just taken in stride, man. As I said before the thing, I hated to get my expectations up because whenever I've done it in the past, j b, John b Wells, same thing. I think we got I know we got one guy out of the John b Wells broadcast.
[01:54:57] Unknown:
There's also a lot of times. You you also didn't really cover the radio show and how to get to, and it's even confusing for people that are veterans. So I guess so. So, anyway, well, I don't take it offensively,
[01:55:09] Unknown:
personally. I'll just take another step tomorrow.
[01:55:14] Unknown:
Thank you, Jack.
[01:55:16] Unknown:
Yes. Sketch.
[01:55:18] Unknown:
Yes. I I I, I I use, the snowball as a metaphor for this show. It as it rolls down the hill, it gathers more steam, and it gathers more people. But, I wanted to change the subject too, and that is I'm a terrapin sitting on the post right now, and I need to Ah, turtle. Post turtle. Yes. I'm a post turtle right now, and I have been researching a resident and inhabitant and other things. But it's gonna be a long slog to find out what you really wanna know, and I'll work on that. But I, I I wanna point out that we reside in heaven on earth, and the earth is round.
Right? And it doesn't have any lines drawn on it by man. And I think we're I I have the same problem. I jump between, you know, currency and money. You know? It's a hard one to stay on one side of the fence. So I I'm wondering, you know, when we say we live in this state that is made by man, is that the path we should take? I know this is the path that we have, but to say I live in Connecticut, which is man made, are we truly living in heaven on earth? I yield. I appreciate if you could help me get off.
[01:56:58] Unknown:
Well, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I think you better ask who put you up there first. While that is, all that's individual. All that's in sketch, there is no it everything's individual. So however you view these things, that's how they are.
[01:57:19] Unknown:
Well, I'm just wondering if you could doodle on it for a little bit and help me get off because I need some help.
[01:57:25] Unknown:
Well, I don't think I'm gonna be able to. So, I think you need to find out I think you need to I think you need to find out who put you up there. Okay? Right. Who who's next? Yeah. This is Chris in California. This is Larry? Yeah. Chris. Okay. I'm gonna go with Chris in California first, please.
[01:57:45] Unknown:
Thank you. A little a little while ago, we had a lady, who talked about her situation and she also talked about a pastor who walked in who was explaining why he couldn't even ask for tax relief. Do we know who that lady was and do we know who that Rochelle
[01:58:06] Unknown:
from Idaho.
[01:58:09] Unknown:
Right. Okay. And if she's listening, does she know who that pastor is?
[01:58:16] Unknown:
Yes, I'm listening and his name is Pastor Brian in Fernwood, Idaho.
[01:58:23] Unknown:
Pastor Brian in Fernwood. Do you know how to get in touch with him?
[01:58:30] Unknown:
I have his phone number, but not at my not right now I can get it. It's a church. You can reach the church. It's a regular church. I think it's Fernwood Bible Church. I'm sorry. I can get it look it up. Well
[01:58:49] Unknown:
oh, okay. Well, listen. We're you, you guys can hang around whenever we're over a couple of minutes and and Right. Stay in the house for Shell.
[01:59:02] Unknown:
Look, I'm glad you guys are the man that the man that was on the fence post. I think it helps to say the meets and bounds of the land you stand on because that puts you on God's land, in God's, territory. When you say I'm in Idaho and the county I live in and the meets and bounds, I'm gonna start putting that into my affidavits and ideal.
[01:59:25] Unknown:
Good enough. Thank you, Rochelle. Or, Chris, you wanted to say something? Hold on. Yes. By the
[01:59:31] Unknown:
way, by the way, as far as being on Ritz's program, you know, you're you're planting seed. It takes a while for seeds to sprout. I can appreciate that. About it or whatever. Yep. And, so don't don't beat yourself up. God's in charge anyway. And whatever Well is born from you know? You know? Before
[01:59:54] Unknown:
I think my comments are that I would have thought out of the three what I perceived to be a vast audience. We'd have gotten one hard charger out of that. It's somebody that immediately they're looking for answers. But we haven't so far. I'm not negating that they may come. I I understand this pretty well. It takes a while. Okay. Now there are two or three other people wanting to ask me something. Do it now. Larry. I have a quick one. Larry. Oh.
[02:00:20] Unknown:
Yeah, I wanna go back to Bory. He says, who do you go to? And the Bible says men are always to pray. That's the first thing you should do is go to the Lord and ask them that you'd have understanding and the help needed to be successful and maybe things won't work out, but that's just life. Most people like we discussed today, they are totally ignorant of this information and it's always going to be a fight and that leads me into Bruce's situation. He is going to go through all of this administrative process and everything he is doing and he is going to spend hours and this is no different than the driving issue.
Is that really worth $20 or $30 of tax money? Is all of that time that you're going to spend when you could be spending time with your family or helping somebody else get free from the federal system, is that all worth getting out of paying some sales tax for $20 or $30 and so something to think about. And then another thing is on our documents, we may want to start putting not you know how you've always suggested to the students to put not to be construed as a filing on your legal lawful notices for the commissioner of the IRS, while you could also put not to be construed as a tax protest and the credit for that goes to nostalgia.
[02:01:56] Unknown:
Okay. Nothing wrong with that. I think I don't I didn't we didn't hear any ending song, but I think we're probably about finished with the show. It's straight up eleven. Paul, you had a question?
[02:02:08] Unknown:
Maybe sometime back. Actually, I did. Yeah. I I turned the, turned the closing comments off, for the WBOU sign off, which, of course, didn't need to happen because they weren't here. Couple of questions, a couple of things that I wanna throw in, just give people some, things to think about, like when they're home alone and the TV is broken or whatever. First of all, the fourteenth amendment says all persons born or naturalized in The United States are citizens of The United States and the state in which they reside. Is that really us? Is that really anyone? Because I wasn't born in Washington, DC.
I I wasn't born in Washington, DC. I was born in one of the several states of The United States Of America. That's where I was born. Now I talking about sketch, I can actually completely be totally on board with the fact that I am a citizen that was born on God's creation. I don't care if somebody called it Minnesota after the fact. I was I am a child of God, and I am one of a creation of God that landed on God's creation, not something man created. Let's see what else. For Bory, what you do is you put you use the administrative process, and once the opposing party is in default, then you go to a judge and seek a declaratory judgment on the process, not on whether or not they they're, identifying you as a national and not a citizen.
Process, your administrative process was done correctly, therefore, solidifying your statements of being a national and not a citizen of The United States. Because that does then become truth in law that they recognize because it was one of their devils in address
[02:04:16] Unknown:
that rubber stamped it. Don't you get all that when you apply for a passport and get a passport back? It's the highest ID in the land. They don't object. They recognize it. They see, all this, like I said, when you go through this, the amazing thing is you go to a bureaucrat, and they do exactly what you want them to do because they're following the stuff. Right.
[02:04:42] Unknown:
There I can I can get that?
[02:04:44] Unknown:
There are no easy answers on spreading this message, folks. If there are, I damn sure I hadn't found them. K?
[02:04:53] Unknown:
If somebody was gonna say something, yes, something, go ahead. I I was just I was posing the question. I I think it's double minded to say I'm from Connecticut, and I live in heaven on earth. That's Okay. Well Yep. There is is there a is there a contradiction there? That's what I'm asking.
[02:05:13] Unknown:
It could be. Not to me. K. But this is, it was That was all bad. Okay. Anybody else got anything for me? This has been a kind of a trying program today. Anybody else got anything for me? Yeah. Lady Linda Louise. Lady Linda Louise.
[02:05:32] Unknown:
The way I see it sketches, we're ambassadors of the kingdom of heaven. So we are here for a purpose, to enlighten people about the savior. So when you're located on the land in Connecticut, my function is to be an ambassador from my heavenly father's kingdom. So that's that. As far as, Merica and the others that were talking about the administrative process, before you do the, default judgment, you have to notice these folks who have ignored your affidavit with a notice of default. Once you do the notice of default and you give them that last warning, then you can move forward to get your compensation with a default judgment.
I like what you said, Paul, about, getting a declar declaratory declaratory judgment from a judge about the administrative process being properly executed. That's an excellent idea. And I yield. Have a great day, Roger.
[02:06:44] Unknown:
I'm gonna have a good short weekend. I will see you on Monday, and, we should have John with us to hear his tales of traffic court. And, otherwise, you guys be safe. See you then. Love you. Bye.
[02:07:00] Unknown:
Thank you, Ryan.
[02:07:02] Unknown:
If Mark is still here, Mark, I have a 1996 Webster dictionary that is very expansive. And I looked up the word state and, it didn't say number five, but it did say number seven, a politically unified people occupying a definite territory semicolon nation. And then on number nine, it says in parentheses, sometimes CAP, which means capitalized. But anyway, that was in parentheses. Any of the body politics, which together make up a union as in The United States Of America. So then it says, see the table below. Now the table below, unlike your 1940 Webster's dictionary, my table says states of The United States.
It doesn't say United States Of America. And so thank you for sharing that information. That was very valuable to me, and I yield.
[02:08:03] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you. I'm off the post.
[02:08:06] Unknown:
It's, it's good good to know that because that's Well, there you go. Point of contention, with with our group about that. And Mark will look at title eight, 11 o one eight twenty Mark. And then 820
[02:08:27] Unknown:
you're really quiet.
[02:08:31] Unknown:
Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Sorry, I didn't have my microphone on.
[02:08:36] Unknown:
There you go. Alright, here we go. Sorry about that. I had taken my microphone off. But there was a point of contention in those definitions out of the Webster's Dictionary help clarify because we had people who were saying that Title eight USC eleven oh one paragraph a or line 21 was not didn't apply to a one of the states of The United States Of America. And so that was a point of contention and and it didn't help either that Cornell law doesn't have it right because when you click on the underline there's a link to the smallest state in that definition. When you click on that it's referring back to United States and not one of the several states. So it's nice to have Webster's University's dictionary back that up. And we looked at you know specifically the one that would have been used by Congress when they passed that immigration and naturalization act.
So, but you're very welcome and I'm glad that helped. And it should no really should no longer be a point of contention about those definitions and what they really mean, especially between the small s state and a large s state or capitalized S state.
[02:10:09] Unknown:
Excellent. Mark, it's just so great that I could go to this big fat dictionary and look up what you shared from 1940 and see that they did not eviscerate it in 1996. So whenever I dictionary of this magnitude, doggone it, lady Linda Louise is on it because I love books, and I yield.
[02:10:35] Unknown:
Good. Good. Hey. Is Joe still here? We kinda Joe Joe from Oklahoma tried to step in and say something. I'm sure it was probably related to that sales tax. Joe, if you're still online, can you can you share with what you had? I know we stepped all over him. Joe, if you're still there, he may have left. Joe in Oklahoma, are you there? Alright. We'll we'll we'll move on. I've I've gotta run. We've got, an open q and a session for our trust group, today at 4PM eastern, three PM central. So I gotta grab a bite to eat and then get ready for for that, class. So, anyway, good to be here. Hope everybody enjoys the rest of their weekend, and we'll talk to you next time. Bye bye. Thank you, Mark. You're welcome. Bye bye. Thank you, Mark. Thank you. Yeah. It appears that, Joe Lustig is here, but,
[02:11:33] Unknown:
Joe from Oklahoma is not. He was unmuted there for a while, then he muted, and then he was on hold, and then he disappeared. So Don't know where he went. May I? Yeah. You may. I'm gonna be taking the stream down in about twenty minutes,
[02:11:53] Unknown:
twenty five, something like that. Lady Linda, I wanted to ask you if you read the abatement process at the end of the book of the hundreds, and of course that has a default judgment in the process in there. Lady Linda?
[02:12:22] Unknown:
In the meantime, is Danny still here from Tennessee?
[02:12:34] Unknown:
Okay. How about BB Revoso from the weigh back machine? Is he here?
[02:12:42] Unknown:
Hey, Paul.
[02:12:46] Unknown:
Okay. This is Danny from Tennessee. I'm still here. Come on looking for me.
[02:12:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Real quick, Larry. Bruce, what state is he in with the, buying the phones?
[02:12:59] Unknown:
Missouri. He is in Missouri.
[02:13:04] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:13:06] Unknown:
You're welcome.
[02:13:07] Unknown:
Okay. Who is calling for Danny from Tennessee?
[02:13:10] Unknown:
It's Sherry from Arkansas.
[02:13:12] Unknown:
Oh, hey.
[02:13:14] Unknown:
Hey. Do you have contact information? I mean, we're practically neighbors as close as it comes from this call.
[02:13:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. My e email address is on the, where where it shows me being. The little headset with the speaker.
[02:13:36] Unknown:
Oh, well, hold on. Let me get to active speakers. Oh, okay. I'll email you, Danny. Okay. On Yahoo as well. Thank you so much for your valuable information.
[02:13:56] Unknown:
Well, go ahead. Go ahead.
[02:13:58] Unknown:
You know what? Somebody brought forward the amount of money the courts nationwide take in on a daily basis, a trillion dollars. This is the biggest way to take a big whack out of the feudal system,
[02:14:13] Unknown:
I deal. That was me, Sherry. I know, Julie.
[02:14:17] Unknown:
Sorry. I didn't mention your name. I apologize. So it was Julie, and it was like last week. And so, of course, they want to, you know, keep that that system going. So but that's something that everybody faces. So some some more than others.
[02:14:41] Unknown:
But that that sounds a little extreme. I've heard that it's, you know, more like the gross national product equivalent annually, but, you know, who knows how they factor what a stubbing your toe is in court. You know, if that's a million dollars, I guess, maybe. Right?
[02:15:05] Unknown:
Well, no one I mean, courts are there in America. That's a way sketch.
[02:15:09] Unknown:
Crap. That Bebe Rebozo crack was funnier than hell. I don't give a crap who you are. Thank you.
[02:15:15] Unknown:
Don't forget Spiro Agnew.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Not as funny as Bebe Rebozo.
[02:15:26] Unknown:
Love you. Did they bring both of them down?
[02:15:30] Unknown:
One of those things I'm always trying to do as a national is I'm trying to say, well, listen. You know, I'm sort of a in the way back machine. I'm a throwback to an earlier time when the state citizen was all there was, right? And whether it's in the law or what we call law or whether it's looking at the Bible, you really sort of need to know the context of the times and what were go what was going on back when they were state citizens. And, you know, earlier in the program, Mark was talking about, you know, appealing things. Well, prior to the Civil War, the only appeals that were really going on were between the states and the and the, Supreme Court.
It was the lever code that brought in the appeal process for the military justice, so called justice, that was going on in the South. And then the thirteenth and fourteenth amendment with their major clauses, one of them being due process, they changed the law into the equities place, And that's where we got the appeal process from. So if you're truly a national, are you supposed to be appealing?
[02:16:54] Unknown:
Exactly. And this is all about territorial jurisdiction. There's an excellent series on Rumble. I don't know if Paul is on that he could post it, but somebody else on the website. It's territorial jurisdiction is the channel and there's at least you have to scroll down for it, but there's at least 11 parts and they get into it. They take Eduardo Rivera's work and comment do a commentary on that as they read through that. And we're exact you know, that's our habeas corpus, really, because we're going to bring forth the body of law that was the original articles of confederation.
And, you know, just challenge the prosecutor right at the beginning is what this teaching was. Challenge them right, don't challenge the judge. Not to really, you know, challenge the court, challenge the prosecutor. You know, proof of claim upon ter territorial jurisdiction proven. Well, in in common in
[02:17:53] Unknown:
in common law, it's real simple. You need a damaged party or property and witnesses to back it up. If you don't have that, you're not even supposed to be in a controversy. And as a national, I think we can demand that.
[02:18:12] Unknown:
But they're gonna until you challenge their their their jurisdiction, they're gonna keep proceeding no matter what you're saying about the common law. That's why they always say, your cons don't mention the constitution in this court because even George Washington, he didn't take a proper oath. He took a oath to The United States.
[02:18:28] Unknown:
Isn't that what the affidavit is? That's the challenge to their jurisdiction.
[02:18:34] Unknown:
But a national still includes part of the territorial jurisdiction, I think. I could be wrong. I could be wrong on that. But I don't know if you we have to look back into that word into probably back into the define it in terms of the articles of confederation, I guess, and also where they're using it in the organic documents, I guess.
[02:18:59] Unknown:
You go back to the article of the confederation a lot and I can appreciate that. And I think you're correct and we're not clear enough as to who we are, where we are and what we are. And I think that should be included in our notices attached to our affidavits, how we expect to be treated to like our AG, our local prosecutor, and our sheriff. And I think sending out that, that two page documents on the case law would be a great thing to attach to it because they got these guys understand law. They think. Right? And if you put the laws in front of them and the cases that show the difference between the national and the citizen is what they need for their educational help to say that maybe we should let this guy alone, maybe he's got a claim.
But if we don't look at the his and Brost says that the articles of Confederation were discussed and incorporated in the constitution. So if that is true, you don't have much of an argument that they brought the articles of Confederation into and are part of the constitution. And there's Elliot's debates. It's a four or five volume list of all the states, having their conversation over ratification or not, and that those statements on the articles of confederation are in those arguments. So, you know, I'm just throwing it out there, not saying I'm right or wrong about anything here. I'm just looking at this in historical context where we used to be. I mean, there was no appeal system for the average guy. That was between the states in the controversy and then the Supreme Court would come in and deal with that. And that's really what they were set up for.
Now they decide how we are to run our lives at a local level and that I don't think was ever meant to be. In my notices, I'm going to give them a time to respond. And if they don't respond, then it becomes fact as I say it is. And I'll I that document, I'm gonna send so that I've got every signature. So I have chain of title, and I'm setting myself up so that I can use the abatement if they come against me, and I think it's wrong. Now if I've damaged somebody's property or whatever, you know, I think I think that's important as well and, you know, you gotta deal with that appropriately. But I would still want them to call me in by my Christian name and things like that. Otherwise, the record's not correct, and the process is wrong.
And, that's our common law.
[02:22:37] Unknown:
So are we in effect and I don't know what the definition of this word is, but are we in effect whistleblowers until we have enough people, are we individual whistleblowers right now?
[02:22:51] Unknown:
Well, according to Bros, what we are is that we are in law. Everybody else is at law. We are it. We are the law as nationals. We're that way back machine prior to, you know, the civil war where the states still work in control and the Fed and you got to sort of say that the Constitution was really working because they needed to destroy the system that was in place because they considered themselves getting nowhere. In fact, the South had pretty much power over the laws that were being passed and the North did not wipe. This was more about, being able to spend unlimited amounts of money in the North and the South being conservative and saying, hey, listen, we shouldn't be spending beyond our needs. That was really what the conflict came down to.
And then of course, the tariffs that they put on the North put on the South, was another part of it. But the slavery issue was a political thing in that Lincoln used in the emancipation, which is basically a lot of people call that a trust. And, a battlefield trust, under military control. You know? Anyway, without as nationals, without a harm party, and the state can't be that harmed party It's because it's not alive. You know? I think we can keep it pretty simple. And if and it the way I wanna do it is I wanna give them enough notice and enough explanation of what I am, who I am, and where I am, and how I need to be communicated with in the future and get them to decide whether they're gonna do that or not as my setup for the abatement process. Because I now I can mark these things in my abatement. You've been put on notice in such and such a date, such and such a time. And you're breaking your agreement with me because fiber is not responding, which is I'm assuming they're not going to respond if you have that clause in there, they're in agreement.
And I just think this might be our way of one staying out of court because really you only have two ways in court. You need to demur and fall on the court's mercy or you can abate it. And just showing up, you're giving them jurisdiction according to a lot of people. There is no special appearance. The best you could do is have your counselor at that point probably be Jesus Christ as, Randy Lee did to show that this jurisdiction is not theirs.
[02:26:17] Unknown:
I
[02:26:20] Unknown:
would like to if Linda could chime in on her, whether she read the, the abatement process in the book of the hundreds or not because that goes through the default judgment and everything. The steps that you need to take when they can't respond to you asking them about the problems with their procedure?
[02:27:05] Unknown:
Sorry, Samuel. This is for Dave. What would BB
[02:27:09] Unknown:
Rebozo do? Bunt.
[02:27:20] Unknown:
You keep making me laugh, Brent. I mean, sketch.
[02:27:27] Unknown:
Well, I'm glad I made you laugh today, Dave. Anything to ease the pain of our human condition.
[02:28:00] Unknown:
Yeah. Because even George Washington, they found the oral I guess, he took an oral oath, but he took an even way back then, he took a oral oath just to The United States, not The United States Of America. And so it'd be funny to bring in to a court the actual constitution say, let's go back just to there and say, oh, could you swear because, if you get the judge's oath, it just says, protect, the constitution of The United States. It doesn't say to serve and protect the constitution of The United States Of America. So they're they're swearing to they're covering their ass, and I don't know what it was, by the way, of all these big ass states. I'm in a big ass state, Idaho, but, I didn't understand what lady Linda Louise was talking about big ass states.
That was a joke, triple l.
[02:29:09] Unknown:
I like that. Triple l. That's that's so much quicker.
[02:29:18] Unknown:
Or the l q shorter. True. Or l cubed. I didn't say l cuber.
[02:29:44] Unknown:
Has anybody looked into whether their sheriff's department still do services for you, legal paperwork, and what they charge for?
[02:29:54] Unknown:
No. How do you ask that?
[02:29:58] Unknown:
Well, that's that's the method by which you serve in the, in the abatement process in the book of the hundreds. You don't file that at court. You serve it on the parties you're interested in, like the judge, the prosecutor, the officer. They get served directly, and they unless you have brothers and sisters that are Christian thinking like you are and you don't use them, two of those people to serve for you, their earlier option was the sheriff's department. You go in there, I guess, fill out a form according to what they're saying, and the sheriff serves it for you.
[02:30:37] Unknown:
Oh, okay. So kinda like a process of service in like, if you're if you were going to serve a party in a court, you could use the sheriff or whatever or, let's say, an uninterested, party to to serve a a government official. Like, I used the sheriff one time to to serve or actually, it was it was an independent process server to serve the state. But you're saying you don't have a case other than well, actually, there is is the case the ticket number or something like that that they gave you? What I don't understand what the case is on the abatement.
[02:31:11] Unknown:
You'd you'd be responding to them with the, abatement. You're gonna obate their document, but in doing that, you're using a constitutional officer or sheriff to do the service on the individuals you wanna respond to, not a filing in court.
[02:31:31] Unknown:
And not a direct mail to them using certified mail nor a response to a, notary public? I mean, is that the same thing or how does that differ than the sheriff would you say?
[02:31:45] Unknown:
I'm I'm thinking they're using a constitutional officer for a reason. And that's why they do it that way. They're very particular. If you read that whole process at the end of the book, and there's a difference, whether you're using a brother and a sister, Christian, that you're aligned with. If you don't have that, your backup position is the sheriff. But it's a different affidavit or it's a different form you fill out when you, do the abatement. It changes whether you're using I mean, they're very detailed in what they want you to do.
[02:32:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Because, technically, the sheriff is operating on many jurisdictions because he's probably receiving federal money. He's definitely, you know, in the territorial constitution. But yet, was the county sheriff around, at the time? I mean, is he one of the first officers when the county was, ceded to the state or, you know, created in the state? Oh, yeah. He comes from English Yeah. There'll be no
[02:33:09] Unknown:
The the the the type of Shire Reef. The Shire Reef comes from English common law.
[02:33:17] Unknown:
Maybe that's what they were trying trying to tell us and all those Clint Eastwood and
[02:33:23] Unknown:
other spaghetti spaghetti westerns. Now
[02:33:35] Unknown:
would we also have to say in our oh, I'll have to read what's in that. It's from the book of the hundreds is what you're saying. I haven't gotten to that process yet. Do they talk about that, the sheriff needs to provide evidence that any part of the county was ever ceded back to The United States? Just to make sure the land the land that you're on, you know, is the claim because it's always kind of the last claim on the land. Right? So you're saying, hey. I have evidence here this land was patented for, say, Idaho or my county or this place where my abode is, you know, is there any evidence that this particular meets and bounds was ceded back to The United States? I'm not talking about The United States Of America. I'm talking about United States because they're basically the homeownership association. Right? They're they're running all the property management for not only the the lands, but also the people that they call lands, our birth certificate person, if you will.
[02:34:42] Unknown:
Like I said, this is a backup position. They would prefer that you use, two brothers
[02:34:48] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:34:49] Unknown:
That are Christians Right. That do your service for you. Sheriff is the backup. I don't think it gets in I mean, the claims that you're making in your abatement are all about who you are and what you are, their process and the lack thereof. And
[02:35:08] Unknown:
if they can't
[02:35:10] Unknown:
show the process as being proper and you are who you say you are, not who they say you are, etcetera, they fail and they go into default. In fact, they're probably not gonna answer it, which is gonna put them in default. And then you go into default process, and you could take them according to them to small claims. And I I forget what they said. You're not that limited in small claims as we might think we are while you're in this process. So, anyway, more people need to read it so we could discuss it. I think it's the right thing to be on the board. You know?
[02:35:58] Unknown:
Mhmm. No. I did my I never heard back from them. You know, I did the sampler abatement, but, but, basically, I sent them the notice of default, and, I never heard back from them now. I haven't taken the tag onto the land that they're patrolling. So but that will be my next but I have to have some more ducks in a row as to if they do, you know, to to hand them the notice out the window, the guy that Delaware guy, you know, did. And, because and, basically, if they're operating on a military law and they've got some kind of a a warrant or whatever they feel they have on me or the first certificated person, I wanna be ready to answer them on the side of the road in in peace.
And but if they take the car and take the take the body, you know, then I need some other ducks in a row as well. So
[02:36:53] Unknown:
I I think that's very important when you when you said peace. You got to tell them, I think, all the time that you're coming in peace because all of this is done, in my opinion, under war powers. And we're really at at in martial rule. I mean, not martial law, but martial rule. But if you look at all the executive orders, if they pull if they they can pull those up at any day, and then you're definitely under martial law because they're gonna control absolutely every aspect of what you do daily.
[02:37:28] Unknown:
No doubt. And, and that's, I think, Jesus lost my train of thought. I think that's where oh, I think it was Joe Lustigot the other day. I don't know if you heard him talking about he had a I think you're wrong. He had done a he had submitted into the court a not only his birth certificate, but then also a treaty, which I'd love to see that document, what the treaty is. But, yeah, it kinda gets to, I mean, what Linda Louise was saying as well. You know, you could hey. This is where I'm coming from. But, Joe Joe actually did, like, a treaty like, the declaration of independence is only signed by one side, right? So that's why I don't understand how a treaty can be signed by one side, but call it a treaty, but thank you.
[02:38:20] Unknown:
Yes. If you go by what Stamper and a lot of these other people say is the fourteenth Amendment citizen is in rebellion against his nation, which is his state. And I think that's how they've applied the trading with the enemy act and can keep pulling up these war powers because they're still at war and still at war with us. So if you say that now that you're nationally, you're coming in peace, that might have some weight with them. They may not understand it, but I think it still should be done so that you're clearly telling them that you're coming in peace because I think if it goes far enough up the chain, it may well be understood.
[02:39:18] Unknown:
Concur. It's interesting because our treaties, eventually are they posted, by the secretary of state? Who who has your I mean, I know Congress is involved somehow, but, I mean, would you send a treaty up up the chain that far, do you think? That it would back up, you know, what you said with your original affidavit just so that, you know, they can clear up their administrative process? Because if you're not clear in their system, that's not our fault that they didn't they didn't correct the book and off book ledgers. You know? The t accounts. You know?
Well, I'm more worried about what I'm trying to do. Be riding around with a halo on your head. You know what I mean? It should be it should be like, sir, like Terry Lee. Sir, did my sheriff's you know, did my deputies treat you okay? That's how it should be for us too, you know, without having to do do everything for Terry Lee had to do.
[02:40:18] Unknown:
Right. Real quickly, Samuel Samuel. George, the solicitor general has, all authority and jurisdiction over matters regarding foreign countries and dealing with treaties
[02:40:37] Unknown:
with foreign countries. At the federal level. Right?
[02:40:40] Unknown:
Correct. That's what he was asking about.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I I don't know that we need to do that. Our our country is our state.
[02:40:50] Unknown:
Right. But the but the war act is coming out of the out of DC, you know, over the territory that they still claim is, you know, enemy belligerence or whatever. So I think it's it's both. You know, you could send it to your secretary of state as well and your county. I mean, it doesn't hurt, but, I think it has to go up to to the US SOS, maybe to the Vatican. Because maybe the Swiss maybe it is a Swiss guard that is the Secret Service. By the way, do you know what the Secret Service nicknames were for Biden and Harris? Dumb and dumber? Shits and giggles.
[02:41:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Do you really want to go there at the federal level and the international level? That's where they're taking us. You know, we're gonna be we are going from federal to the new world order. I say we sit in their states and we try to control what we can around us and in our our neighborhoods.
[02:41:56] Unknown:
Okay. The Archbishop of Boise. I'll send it to the Archbishop of Boise.
[02:42:04] Unknown:
I'm still I still wanna see if my baptismal, certificate is an upper and lowercase because the Catholic church gave me a birth certificate in all upper case. So I'll be curious to see what that looks like.
[02:42:21] Unknown:
Was there was your parents' names in upper case just aren't like my I'm sorry. My birth certificate long form, birth certificate, by the way, did not have footprints, 1962. I don't know if they were doing them back then. But, what year?
[02:42:41] Unknown:
Fifty five.
[02:42:43] Unknown:
Yeah. So I wonder if they sent me the short form, not the long form. But, it was your long form on legal paper or was it on a eight and a half by eleven?
[02:42:53] Unknown:
It's document size on heavy cardboardish paper, embossed in gold, red, big, beautiful document in my foot sensor on the back and all vital statistics, but the name is in all upper case.
[02:43:10] Unknown:
Mhmm. George. I got a certified copy of my birth record from vital statistics, and it's eight and a half by 14 or maybe it's 13 on paper, and it shows the original document is filled out by my mother certificate of live birth. So my name is printed, upper and lower case.
[02:43:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. My my parents didn't get that right. My dad filled out my mom's portion because she was probably busy with me.
[02:43:46] Unknown:
Right. But it doesn't say mother. I know. It says informant. So that could have been your dad. I yield.
[02:43:58] Unknown:
That's interesting. I'm gonna have to go back because mother's name. I think it says
[02:44:03] Unknown:
mother's name as well, but I I I'd have to look. You could be right. That is no. It does. It says,
[02:44:09] Unknown:
it asked for the father's and the mother's name. But when you go further down, where you think that it doesn't say signature, it just says informant, which is the person that filled out that document.
[02:44:23] Unknown:
Yeah. K. And, Sherry, is it made by ten glossy suitable for framing framing?
[02:44:32] Unknown:
You know, I'm gonna measure it as, You said it was 14. Right? You said it was legal I'm thinking 14, but it could be 13, which hold on a minute, and I'll measure.
[02:44:59] Unknown:
On the birth certificate, this is Rochelle, a former I'm a retired nurse. The doctor always wanted to catch the baby coming in out of the birth canal. So sometimes the nurse would keep the baby from being born until the doctor could catch it. It's very important that the father of the family actually holds the baby as that baby's coming out of the birth canal. And I yield.
[02:45:30] Unknown:
It's actually eight and a half by 13.5. Interesting. I just learned about that size of paper and it's on. It's on paper. Anyway, I yield.
[02:45:57] Unknown:
Could you repeat that nurse catch or, doctor catching or dad catching or I I was in the wind?
[02:46:07] Unknown:
Yes. Rochelle speaking. In the hospitals when I worked as a nurse, and it's probably the same way now, the doctor always wants to get there just in time to deliver the baby. The nurse prepares everything and, okay, doctor, come in, the baby's about to be delivered, and he catches it. And at one time, the doctor couldn't get there in time and I observed this and the nurse was holding the baby back and the doctor got there just in time and she pushed and he literally caught the baby like a football player would catch a pass. But the important thing is the father should be the one delivering the child even in the hospital and some doctors will allow you to do that. But there must be a monetary, kickback when the the doctor gets the first grab of the baby.
[02:47:05] Unknown:
Rochelle, may I speak to that? That's because there's only two signatures on that birth record, and it's signed by the doctor and the registrar of deeds, the county registrar. It doesn't say deeds, I don't think, but that's who a registrar are is or what they are, which forms a contract.
[02:47:32] Unknown:
That's my whole point of the What if the nurse what if the nurse frequently, the nurse delivered the baby if the doctor couldn't get there? Maybe she would actually have her signature, I wonder. Probably the doctor, but I didn't notice those things then. You know? But Mhmm.
[02:47:49] Unknown:
You didn't think you had to.
[02:47:51] Unknown:
I will. Some fathers ask to deliver their baby when it's in the hospital, and the doctor allows it. But when you said inform it on the birth certificate, that's what made me think, oh, anyway, I yield this and I need to get a copy of the hundreds and look at this abatement process too. Very interesting conversation.
[02:48:28] Unknown:
Technically, it's called the non statutory abatement, and it's outside of the court, and it's an old common law action.
[02:48:40] Unknown:
Yes, Samuel. I was gonna say that that's how I describe it. It's, the first, due process in common law notice and a right to be heard. I yield.
[02:48:54] Unknown:
And what they they used to use it for was they would go back and forth between the two parties to make sure that there was a problem, what the problem was, what the remedy for the problem was. So this could have gone back and forth like six times, seven times, eight times, How many times? I mean, it it has each step had a different name. And so that by the time they got to the judge, the judge is basically has all the information in front of them and just makes a final decision. That's it. So it saved the court a lot of time. Today's legal today's legal system says the reason they've done away with all of that is to save the court time.
[02:49:46] Unknown:
Well, I witnessed this in probate. The attorneys were haggling it out. First time I'd seen my attorney do any significant amount of work that day, and it was going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And what the judge is there for to do is only to, consider any any items still in controversy. And so that is your abatement process. What's in controversy? Can we work this out? And then Yep. And I yield. But you you say it beautifully. And, if you look at it, abatement as a common law procedure, it it really changes your perception of that instead of abatement.
You know, you're you're giving them the right to be heard. Due process.
[02:50:42] Unknown:
Again, Sherry, if you look up the, the current definition of an abatement, it is not what we're talking about. It is in a way, but it it's actually a common law action going back and forth with a lot of details and and and working out that the parties have actually got a problem, that that problem is identified, there's a remedy, what that remedy should be and really what the judge is saying that this looks sane and understandable and that there's a remedy, etcetera. And of course, there was a time when our courts of law, common law and equity were separated.
So after the common law requirement were met, then it had the possibility of going to equity to be dealt with more detail than the common law allowed because the common law was very cut and dried. You're either pregnant or you're not pregnant. There was nothing in between, right? Well, you're twenty weeks, right, or whatever, right? So that's when equity came in. What they decided to do is say we don't speed this whole process up and roll it into both and then they rolled out common law and you know how things go. They just slowly deteriorated this process to the point where you don't have it anymore at all. And this is a good faith attempt as a national, which by the way when you read the book of the hundreds you have to understand that these guys I don't believe were privy to the national status.
So in my opinion, that gives us even more power in using that non statutory abatement than they ever had provided that we do it within what they considered the rules that are important so that it can't be dismissed.
[02:53:06] Unknown:
May I give an example?
[02:53:09] Unknown:
Sure.
[02:53:13] Unknown:
That I'm using now in my own little neighborhood is a neighbor has blocked the right of way to go through the road that we have, a private road, we all maintain it. And one neighbor who moved in decided he was going to block it and he didn't want anybody coming across his land. And that has been for like over thirty years of an open way and it's in our deeds. Anyway, none of the neighbors wanted to deal with it and I don't own property anymore. I caretake property for my friend. But at any rate, at one time I did own the neighbor's property. I did have a farm next door. Okay. The whole thing is I have decided that it's a threat to me privately, personally not to have a way out the back way because fire season is coming.
And recently we had a huge washout on a road and that brought the subject to the front. And so I wrote a letter to Mr. Byrne to please make sure the road is open and I'm coming in a neighborly way to give you notice and I printed that N O T I C E in bold print that the road needs to be reopened as it has been. And if you have already opened it up, thank you. In other words, coming in peace and I'm going to use that phrase in all things I write from now on. Anyway, I wrote that to all the neighbors and I said this is myself coming to Mr. Byrne to self govern myself and to bring forth my issues that I'm concerned that if something happened, if there's a fire and I can't get out, his property will be at risk as well as mine and I'm holding him accountable.
If I die because I can't get out, it's basically his fault for not allowing an exit. So I've sent that to all the neighbors and I hand wrote it to make it look more just more friendly, I guess. And I gave all my neighbors a copy and I let them know on a private little note that I'm doing this for myself. What you decide to do as far as your rights is your business. And so I did not hear from the man by the end of the week as I requested. Instead I heard from his wife, I guess it's his wife and on the phone and I asked for a written statement from her and she said she'd never give me that and that she would never open the road. So now I'm going through the process of my next step is to give a typewritten more formal letter to Mr. Byrne and ask him and remind him that he did not respond to me in writing.
And now this is a formal request for him to respond in writing and some lady, perhaps his wife or sister by the name his last name, stated that she will never open it and never respond in writing. But the letter that I sent to you on such and such a date was to you, Mr. Byrne. And please respond to this in a neighborly way or whatever by such and such a date as to when you're going to open up the road as lawfully and legally you are expected to, something like that. So that's my next step. And the way I approached it was, this is him harming me, not what the whole neighborhood wants to get together and do. It's just what he's done to me and that my estate would hold him responsible if something happened to me because the road was closed.
So that's just kind of what I'm doing as an example of just man to man and the sheriff giving notice will be the last thing I do after I heard what you said because he's not gonna respond, I don't think, ever. And I don't and whether or not he opens up the road, I don't know. But if I die in a fire, my family will own everything, his 20 acres, I think. Anyway, I just that's it. Any comments? Am I doing the right common statement process? Yes.
[02:58:22] Unknown:
Common law, how we deal with our neighbors. And, yes, that's beautifully done. That's, how our almighty, our Abba would have us deal with each
[02:58:36] Unknown:
other. Yes, Sherry. And that's the main point I was trying to make is I truly come in peace to my neighbors and it's reflected by my actions. And I would do that with any like the highway patrol even. Like the first thing I would do when a highway patrol comes to my door or my car window, I will establish the contract is coming from me like how may I help you? Maybe there is something I can help you with. It's like there's a major wreck up the road and who knows, but that idea of coming in peace to your neighbor as you would want to be treated. Yes. I really think that's gotten me out of a lot of trouble.
[02:59:21] Unknown:
When I mentioned the Sheriff Service that was specifically for the abatement process. But in your letter to this gentleman, I would ask him the questions that you're asking yourself. Is this safe? Are you concerned about whether there's a fire and whether we can get out? Have you thought this through? Could you please help me help me understand why you would refuse to us access, especially in an emergency? I mean, here in my state, a locked gate during an emergency is destroyed by, say, fire or whatever because and they and and they they would like you, if you do have a Lockheed, to register with them, let them know what the code is or whatever. It has a keypad or a padlock that they have the code so they don't have to destroy it, that they can go through it in an emergency.
So I would assume that if you show him that there's a lot by him answering his own questions that he's really reliable at some point.
[03:00:47] Unknown:
Very good advice. And that is well, I do know that that's why he's locking it. Well, one and maybe he's hiding something too because he's kind of like a kind of a person, a person, volatile, uncommunicative with his neighbors, very whatever. But there was an incident on his portion of the road that an elderly man caused damage and there was a fight and the sheriff had to come and it was a man with dementia and it was anyway that's all been taken care of and the elderly man has died now. And so that was one of the reasons he wanted the road closed. But the main reason is there are two other reasons. We have riffraff, I guess you might call it hot rodders wanting to go up and down the road and we've individually handled it, I have and other neighbors, like, hey, we maintain a road, if you're going to drive fast and spew the gravel, you might as well you better start having to help us fix it and pay for it. And that has been enough in the past, But this man decided he would just close it off and make sure that he had what he needed, etcetera.
And the problem is, there is another neighbor, my neighbor, who wants to run the show and he says I kind of like the road closed like that. We have less people running up and down our road. So and actually that neighbor is I have a love hate relationship with, but I treat we get along just fine and everything is good. So that's where I came up with the idea. Well, this is my issue and what anybody else decides to do then they can do. And I like very much your suggestion to say, well, what would you what are your needs? Why would do you want to have the why do you want the road closed? Are you worried about fire exit? If the fire could come from his side and he couldn't get out our side.
So that's a real good have him answer those questions. That will be in my next letter. Very good advice. And I always recommend a remedy when there's a problem and I did suggest that we could have a gate and we could all have pay for it. It could be an automated gate so you didn't have to stop every time. It would probably cost us each about $300. Of course, they're not going to go for that, but at least it's a remedy or a gate that's unlocked because lazy people don't want to stop and open the gate and get back in their car. So I think he has nefarious reasons for wanting to keep the gate closed, so no one can even look at what he's doing on his property. But the main issue is I don't want my life at risk and so
[03:03:52] Unknown:
I think Some people opt for individual codes so that if there is a problem that code is entered and it's dated. So that let's say there's a theft on his property. He's going to know who went through that gate in the time period of the theft, let's say. Some people feel better with that because even if it's somebody you gave the code, okay, now you're still responsible because they used your code and it, you know.
[03:04:23] Unknown:
Oh, very good. Yes. And there are gates that handle that very well. And my neighbor that I have a love hate relationship with, he has had things stolen. And,
[03:04:36] Unknown:
So he's got an issue too, you know.
[03:04:38] Unknown:
Yes. And he and I really do respect that. And we've had poaching back here. And so there are issues. So
[03:04:48] Unknown:
I'll be up above. I've experienced both. I have a small corner of my property that wasn't needed for access and the guy who sold it to me, he says, you know, we really missed this when we set this up. Would you sign a release to let people pass so that it's so that it's, open to everybody? And I said, yeah, no problem. Right? Oh, you did? Oh. Yeah. And and then we have another gate that goes to access to the river and a beach and a really nice area. Well, everybody and their uncle has known about that for a hundred years. Yes. So when it became private property, we made sure that only people with a key that had deeded access could get there.
So two different situations and worked out a deal, but a lot of people who shouldn't have a key also have keys.
[03:05:58] Unknown:
Yes. But the lock with the time on it would be give that party responsibility who let them through. Oh, you let them so and so through. But that gets to be a monitoring problem too.
[03:06:15] Unknown:
Yeah. It's you know, a lot of it's common sense. And and then what we really didn't like is some people were going down there in summer and having campfires on the beach. Well, it's straight uphill all the way to our property. If there's a fire started down there, that was the true concern. And that's when we all got together as neighbors and says, okay. The the locks being changed. If you don't have a deed, you don't have a key. And then it started over. Of course, that ages.
[03:06:53] Unknown:
If you don't have a deed, you don't have the access, free access. This
[03:07:01] Unknown:
is where a keypad with the person's code and the date would be really nice to have because if there's a problem, you'd at least have evidence of who to go speak to if a fire down there on that beach burned down somebody's property. You'd have an idea of who was down there the day it started, it was what I'm saying. Right? Whereas if it's a key, you still don't really know.
[03:07:32] Unknown:
Right. Then you're depending on the digital correctness. A lot of it has to be your neighbor helping neighbor and that's a remedy for providing that kind of a menu is to set up neighborhood nets where you practice speaking to each other on walkie talkies once a week and I've done that in our neighborhood and some people are on, not very many people want to be on it. But we practice every week and report to a ham operator and I've actually gotten the commissioners to let me try to put together, I'm calling it a land board because it's all about the land, where in every district of our county, there are neighborhood nets that report to the local ham that's near them and that local ham then reports to the sheriff on any time there's an emergency. In our situation, it's fire. We have had big fires around here in Idaho.
So, but the problem is nobody really wants to get on board very much. It's a very slow process. It's a process of neighbors talking to each other that I'm trying to set up and I'm about ready to give up on it actually because I haven't had enough response over six months to make it worth my time. But I've tried that and hopefully by my actions I show I'm coming in peace. And then we'll just see what happens. And, you know, if I die because of a fire, it's obviously his fault. But the problem is we all need each other and if we don't have a neighborly, some sort of communications with each other in a real emergency, which I expect shall come because there's too much evil that has taken place for punishment not to be meted out from, our creator.
There is just too much evil. None of it's being being prosecuted. So therefore, I'm expecting lots of trouble in the future. We don't have it set up to protect ourselves. I don't know what we'll do.
[03:10:03] Unknown:
That radio program is something that they started in a county that I'm in in one south of us. And the one south of us, it started at about two weeks before a really major fire that burned up hundreds of thousands of acres. And in in the period before the fire, the sheriff was against it because it was interfering, he thought, with his officers and radio traffic and this and that. And the the sheriff after he saw what the community did on its own because of the radio contact and the relationships that they had established with each other stopped his opposition and actually helped it.
[03:10:49] Unknown:
What state was this in?
[03:10:51] Unknown:
California.
[03:10:54] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[03:10:56] Unknown:
Yeah, the proof is in the pudding. Well, they were lucky that they were able to help each other.
[03:11:05] Unknown:
Yeah. They they created firebreaks with bulldozers and tractors and all this stuff and saved tremendous amounts of people's property by responding to that fire and stopping it themselves versus whatever would happen if the state could get to it and the state was overwhelmed by the size of
[03:11:30] Unknown:
it? Yes. I think that the key is the very small cheap line of sight walkie talkies because every grandma can use those and a kid can use them. And when you get into the ham operators and the licensure, which I don't I passed the technicians, but I don't want to get my license. And I haven't figured out how to I'm not high enough up on the national paperwork trail to be able to state with authority that I do not need a license to operate as I am. I'm not really willing to go that far and be have all hell break come down on me, you
[03:12:16] Unknown:
know, because Get yourself a CB radio. The CB doesn't require, licensing and, a home base can go a pretty long way.
[03:12:29] Unknown:
Yeah. And I do have that, but I haven't set it up yet.
[03:12:33] Unknown:
Well, set it up. Right. Yep. Just on a 12 volt battery with a with a trickle charger.
[03:12:39] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:12:40] Unknown:
But I still But it's basically what these local systems are. They're basic radios, line of sight. You can get to your neighbor, and then there's there's people with properties with more elevation where repeaters are, etcetera. Yes. It's all set up just to be your local community and being able to alert each other on things that are required.
[03:13:05] Unknown:
And the whole thing is to get in the habit of reporting to one party and then that party, like, I am the net, captain for my, family radio system. And then I'm the ham operator.
[03:13:19] Unknown:
They have a weekly check-in so that they know everything is working and everything's part of it. Yes. You know? Yes. And it's and we've actually we really enjoyed
[03:13:30] Unknown:
doing it. We're we're pretty good at it now. We try to use good language and we give a word of the day which we use proverbs. Whoever starts their own net makes it you could read something out of a dictionary if you weren't a Christian, I guess. But Mhmm. We we and the LDS have a big system. They frequently read out of their, holy scriptures where whoever sets it up to make up the rules of how you're gonna communicate, but it's basic calms. But the problem that I have is that I can't get enough people to realize how important it is because so far, no one's well, when fire season comes, maybe they will.
But if the system is set up and well, the long term thing is I want each district to have one voice to be able to speak to the sheriff because in the past, the sheriff was the last to know on a lot of these things. And all the emergency comms were going through the newspaper, through the forest service, and the sheriff himself had to come out with his patrol car and look and see where the smoke was. I mean, it was so and now this idea is to have the sheriff be the the man that gets the last word. But to set that up, I mean, just a little old lady doing it. I mean, they are listening to me, but there's not enough response.
Anyway, it's kind of it's just something I'm doing. But the point is they gave me an opportunity to come to the commissioners as a land board and I thought that was the most amazing opportunity of it would be a it would be, a chance to actually be used as a jury. Each district, if you had 12 people representing that and then their leaders that they elected, say three leaders coming, okay, we're representing the 12 men and women, oh, just 12 men in each district and here's our report sheriff right there. He has a jury to go to if he really needs to decide something and I hope everything breaks down, our electoral system because that's one thing I tell the commissioners, no matter what, we have to maintain our our ability to hold court.
We can't lose our court. And when I speak court, I'm talking about Commonwealth Court and I recognize that they're Admiralty Court, But they know what I'm talking about when I say court because I brought things forward. But we have in our county a very unusual situation where we have two rivers that connect at a confluence here in St. Mary's and we're the highest navigable river in The United States that go clear to the Pacific Ocean. And on our courthouse, we have a bronze surveyor's document that states where I think it's 32 feet or 35 feet above sea level and our court is on the Second Floor at above the sea level.
And literally we're the highest court in The United States. I like that. But anyway that's I'm thinking really big thoughts, but for some reason Boise, Idaho always cattails to our county. I think our county is a lot more important than we realize and maybe that's one of the reasons. We have dams between here and the Pacific Ocean now, but the original courthouse when it was built, there were no dams between the courthouse and the Pacific Ocean. So I'm see, I get way into the weeds here anyway.
[03:18:01] Unknown:
Well, I think they leave don't they leave some kind of remedy in every you know, jurisdiction some little tiny jurisdiction somewhere, they leave some kind of remedy.
[03:18:12] Unknown:
For what?
[03:18:13] Unknown:
I think for everything, you know. I mean, like, you you so you may be right, you know. Like, Minnesota doesn't have the rule two twenty or something. It's the only state that has that rule. You're talking about, like, the c level thing, you know, which I think it's probably part of their masonic, practices, you know, that they have to leave, you know, count back to the bible, you know, when you fall into temptation or there's always a way out kind of thing.
[03:18:39] Unknown:
Well, that's kind of my basic, you know, common law doctrine is if you're under God there is always a remedy. He always provides a remedy for every ill there is including physical and everything else. So I just go on the hope of that and the promise of that. So, yes, you're right that if it's lawful there should always be a remedy. You can't you can cover it up, but at the beginning somewhere there is a remedy. Yes, I agree to that. That's a philosophy actually of common sense and under God's law. But meanwhile, we have to get to live and I don't know who brought it up, but you can spend a lot of time and money on a $30 tax that you didn't want to pay at Walmart or wherever. And is that really important in the scheme of things?
I think I have started keeping all my receipts. So and just for fun, I'm going to figure out and find out who you send all those receipts to at the end of the year and let them know that you're a national and please refund me my money. I mean, it might they might send a check and they might not. Right. I could use it for I could use it for a community garden or for a community project.
[03:20:10] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. Because you're in Idaho. I think it's what? Like, the sales tax is 6% here?
[03:20:17] Unknown:
I don't even know. But I started counting it up, and it's shocking how much I spend how much I pay in tax for my food and my everything.
[03:20:25] Unknown:
Right. And then we could put in maybe an inflation an inflation tax refund as well. Say, okay. According to Oh. No. I don't know. I'm just thinking about inflation as a tax. It's the biggest tax probably. So if you, what was a man's suit in gold at the time of the formation of, say, the articles confederation? And then what is that saying in gold now? If that's equal or about equal, what are they taking? Well, that would take a lot of What are they taking? Rebate, you know?
[03:21:04] Unknown:
That would take a lot of brainpower from the IRS to get this little note with all my receipts, and I don't know if they mind to handle it. But there might be some kind of a simple formula to send them. Mhmm. Yeah. Just a flat out if I had to receive the money, just all the money that I shouldn't have paid because I because I am a national and I'm living self governing as a national. And Right. I could give it back to this charity to somebody if I wanted or if I had been harmed enough by it that I couldn't buy groceries, maybe I buy a beef or some I don't know. Well, yeah. Sure. That I needed it.
[03:21:44] Unknown:
Well, not necessarily because if they've if they've, hypothecated a trust using your live birth, then they're responsible for settling accounts. You're returning back the interest that you had in any of this money or whatever and, you know, send a copy to the treasury, then let them do the accounting. That's what the IRS is for. Right? Yeah. Let them do the accounting. They might have they might have a head tax, like, on you that says, you know, this lady, this man, these live people, they get back a certain amount. I'm not talking about, like, a return filing a return to get something back. I'm saying they might send back, okay, this person's birth certificate of trust or whatever they've created with this whole, Babylonic system, you know, they get back this much money because they're a national. And that just that's like your simplification.
You know? Alright. Here's your here's your stipend. You know? You're you're, you're a member of the order or your birth certificate of name is a member of this Catholic order or whatever it is. And Mhmm. You know, by that, everything's paid for. All your food's paid for. All your, you know, you know, like a priest. Right? You're a you're a priest of Melchizedek or whatever. And, here you go. Oh. You know, here's your housing stipend. Here's your auto stipend. Here's your food stipend. Here's your health stipend. I don't know. I'm just it's kinda outside the box, but is it really that far from the reality that they're operating in with their Jesuitical system?
[03:23:14] Unknown:
Well, it's basically money they've stolen from me because I'm self governing. I need it. And they have stolen my gold. Labor.
[03:23:24] Unknown:
Yeah. They took the gold. Yeah. And now they're saying, yeah, now they're steeping the your labor.
[03:23:30] Unknown:
So I would just be asking for it to be returned.
[03:23:34] Unknown:
Right. Right. You're you're you're turning back the the interest to them. You know, you've, like, right now, you're operating, like, as the trustee of the birth certificate trust or whatever. And I do the trustee. No. You're not let them be the trustee. But it's back to that remedy. Until we tell them that, they still
[03:23:52] Unknown:
they still have the claim on it. You know, and then whoever I might need to give them notice ahead of time that now I'm keeping track of the taxes that are being, levied on me on a daily basis, basically, and that I'm going to be asking for them to be returned. But I think maybe the businesses will be held accountable, the stores. And they'd have to go through all that itty bitty store and make that store pay for this. And because it's actually like the the store, the grocery store that's paying. If I if they don't give me the money back, the store has to pay the big government, I think.
So I do not see how the state would refund me. They would have to go back and tell the store you have to pay at store because
[03:24:45] Unknown:
you know So that's what's interesting too is, would you need to have like a treasury direct account or I guess they when they like the IRS does, they just send you a treasury check anyway, right?
[03:25:00] Unknown:
So
[03:25:01] Unknown:
Well, I have gotten a treasury check to buy wood and I felt very sketchy about it. I'm very low income. I'm eligible, and, man, I needed it. You know? But, anyway, I hated get asking for it because I'm really not self governing if I asking the state to give me something. But it's out there as a grant for all the people in our county. And I hope I don't get it again because I didn't feel good comfortable about it. I'm able to get food stamps and everything, but I don't claim them.
[03:25:43] Unknown:
Right. What's interesting about the wood part and I don't know if this you get back to that territorial jurisdiction we were talking about, the feds own how much of the land of Idaho, you can go onto the Fed land and you can pick felled lumber like cleaning the fields, right? That's all available, it's free. Right. So it's kind of you're doing the same thing, obviously, you don't have That's kind of what I thought. And I wonder if the food stamps is a kind of a gleaning. They set up the physical model gleaning. I would
[03:26:17] Unknown:
say yes, but because you have to sign affidavits that you're accepting it and that you don't have and like maybe next month I might win a car or something and I might be over the I'll be over. I wouldn't be eligible. I mean, I'm signing that I'm always eligible and always poor. I might not I'm trying not to be poor. I'd love to be wealthy. I'm gonna come up with some way to make a large amount of money. But the food bank, I do get food from the food bank. I finally have kind of resolved to do that off and on when I really need it, which lately I think I I really do need it because the prices are so high at the store.
But anyway, I I actually, the food stamps, that's a real that's like accepting a document from somebody. Every month you get them, and I'm not willing to go there. They call them in the weeds again?
[03:27:23] Unknown:
Well, I'm not gonna say, do they call them food stamps? I wonder, like, going back to the stamp act. Just They have some
[03:27:31] Unknown:
Yes, right.
[03:27:33] Unknown:
Why do they call them stamps, right?
[03:27:36] Unknown:
Well, because they used to issue them and you could tell who was buying food stamps. They were actually like little pieces of paper that you got. But now you just have a card and it looks the same as everybody else's Visa card and you just push it through. But that's just too much documenting of everything I buy and stuff. I didn't wanna do it. I don't feel right about it.
[03:28:01] Unknown:
What county are you in again?
[03:28:04] Unknown:
What?
[03:28:05] Unknown:
What county are you in? I'm
[03:28:07] Unknown:
in Benowa County. Oh, okay. In Idaho, it's in the Panhandle.
[03:28:12] Unknown:
Yeah, I'm in Latav.
[03:28:15] Unknown:
You're in Latoff? Who are you?
[03:28:19] Unknown:
I'm George. What's your name?
[03:28:20] Unknown:
George and George. Yeah.
[03:28:23] Unknown:
Wow. I'd love to meet you. I'm in I'm in Saint Mary's. No. Okay. Good town. Yes. I wanted to go to a couple of other things. They have, but, you know, I kind of limit myself to here.
[03:28:39] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:28:40] Unknown:
They had, So you're George and I'm Rochelle and you're in Latham. Wouldn't it be wonderful if about 10 or 12 of us that live in the Panhandle could actually have coffee together someday? Wouldn't that be the most amazing? There's a couple of people Amazing enlightening experience.
[03:29:00] Unknown:
Right. There's a couple of other freedom minded people that I've met, through Tactical Civics.
[03:29:06] Unknown:
I don't know if you ever heard of that. Yes. I'm into that too. Yes. In fact, he has a good program. He just started with number one that I was on, I forget if it's anyway, he just started a whole new series. I kind of go off and on him because he's kind of non Christian in a way. I mean, I haven't figured out what his whole thing is. But Brian,
[03:29:28] Unknown:
talk to you. Yeah. There's a Wednesday call that we're going through, like, the Constitution now. And, so if you ever want to get on that Oh, he's doing that on Wednesday. I just found that on Tim Tim, do you know Tim? Tim from Boise? No.
[03:29:46] Unknown:
Okay. No. But Avis County has no building permits. They're famous for that. Oh, yeah? I didn't know that. That's because we had a building permit thing that the local people were fighting here. And that's why we said why don't we do, like, Adacana? They have no building permits. I wonder how that's worked out. Probably pretty good.
[03:30:07] Unknown:
May I? Yeah. So his name Hey, Rochelle.
[03:30:10] Unknown:
May I? Yes. Go ahead, Sketch. No. Go ahead, Dave.
[03:30:15] Unknown:
Well, I just wanted to say I was moving to Firewood. We got a storm coming in for tomorrow. It's 80 70 degrees here right now, but, I don't know if this was covered. Rochelle, you do not need a license in an emergency for that, for that ham radio. And you can listen anytime you want. And guess what? If you talk and ask some questions, nobody's coming after you. Okay? Unless you got some a real a holes on the other end of the line. And, you know, they're they're just, you know, they they could turn you in, but usually, they don't. They wanna teach. You know? That's very true. Listen for free, and you do not need a license in an emergency. So I would set up the CB and the ham so you can monitor them both. If you need to talk, talk on the CB. And then if in emergency, you could talk on the ham. I yield. Thanks, Sketch. I agree. And that's very true.
[03:31:12] Unknown:
Not a problem. And I just wanted to say I love Idahoans. I'm an Oregonian. I have family, no longer in Idaho, but with some of my family's from Idaho. We are Idaho, and we love Idahoans. And, I just wanted to say sorry. I wanna interrupt. Brent, there's a PM for you if you want it. I yield. Thank you, fellow Idahoans.
[03:31:41] Unknown:
Oh, that's nice. We don't want to go anywhere else. We love our own state. But that's good to love your state because that's where you operate off of the land that you stand on.
[03:31:53] Unknown:
Something for all of us to be familiar with I think is the doctrine of necessity. I mean our government uses it all the time. So letting us giving us the benefit of it, what's good for the gouache is good for the gander as they say. So there's a lot of things where never heard of it. Yeah. Look it up. It's and look up an older version of it, you know, not something current, but and and living, you know, trying if you live out in the country, which is probably the place you should be for your own protection, because being in the cities is going to get more and more dangerous, you could strategically pick even what you purchased in the country because I did it to be private and I know that there's a real hurdle with the same kind of thinking to get communication between your neighbors.
Now I don't really try to promote that that a whole lot because I'm one of them. I really sort of want to be left alone and that's really what you're up against. So when you're communicating with your neighbor, you you sort of want to tell them, hey, listen. I understand you wanting to be private and everything else and, you know, go through that and say you absolutely have my word that I'd never say anything other than this issue that we're talking about is to having access through your gate especially in an emergency where there could be harm to people in case there's a fire etcetera. Right? Mhmm. But the other thing strategically is when you I figured in an emergency, I'll be able to talk to my neighbors because everybody's gonna want to protect themselves and have their own they'll have their own little community if you pick your place strategically.
What I did, and of course, nobody's going to be able to find this situation very often, but in the foothills of California, which get pretty rugged and windy and hilly, there's no flat spots. I live on a road that's 14 miles long that's in between two rivers. So there's only one inlet and one outlet or one outlet and one inlet. So on those 14 miles there's lots of people with lots of different agriculture, with lots of different skills. Probably, there's probably already deputies in the sheriff's department that live on that road, etcetera, etcetera.
So in an emergency, you can work it out with the sheriff. Say, hey. Deputize one or two of us to take access at both ends of that road so that only people pass that have authorization. And you can take us off your list and you can patrol other areas that are going to be more of a problem for you. And it I'm thinking when when push comes to shove, that's when your community can really come together and start working together. But if you've got a place where that even helps that happen like I'm describing and if you look for that when you purchase property in the country, that would be beneficial to your search.
[03:35:26] Unknown:
Samuel, would one of those rivers be Yuba or American River?
[03:35:31] Unknown:
No. Okay. These rivers navigable? These rivers are the only undammed rivers left in California.
[03:35:41] Unknown:
What are they?
[03:35:43] Unknown:
I'm not gonna say.
[03:35:45] Unknown:
Okay.
[03:35:47] Unknown:
But my question, are they navigable? Because navigable rivers are roads
[03:35:52] Unknown:
from Well, I'll tell you what, it it depends on the season. The river goes it it goes from a few feet wide in some places to a few hundred feet wide.
[03:36:02] Unknown:
So it's portable. The canoe could be one of your needs for transportation.
[03:36:07] Unknown:
There's no dams on it. And, you know, the the feed from them and is like almost every river is out of the Sierras.
[03:36:18] Unknown:
So you're south at Grass River, Grass Valley?
[03:36:23] Unknown:
I'm not saying.
[03:36:25] Unknown:
Oh, Sam, you all come on. Any private questions? How about this one? I'm giving you an illustration
[03:36:31] Unknown:
on on things to look for so that your your community is sort of forced to come together,
[03:36:38] Unknown:
you know? Oh, I'm not moving there, Samuel. I just you've told us before, I think, but, is it South Of The Yuba River?
[03:36:48] Unknown:
He just won't give up, will he? Are you an FBI agent? No. You really wanna know his address too?
[03:36:57] Unknown:
No. Don't don't need that. I'm not moving down there. So it's not a problem.
[03:37:03] Unknown:
I just I'm cure curious I guess, carry out It may not even it may not even be a river for what I'm talking about. It could be mountain obstacles. It, you know, the terrain. Let's say, just say terrain. If you're gonna fight a battle, you wanna pick your terrain. Right? Yes. And you want big dogs.
[03:37:22] Unknown:
I have one last question, Samuel. I presume that there are big granite boulders along that 14 mile road. Right?
[03:37:32] Unknown:
There's all kinds of stuff be because it's it's gold country. We got lots of granite, lots of quartz, lots of slate.
[03:37:41] Unknown:
So you could I think I know where he's talking about, and I think that that bridge over the one of the rivers actually isn't famous for being haunted. I don't know. I'm just there's
[03:37:55] Unknown:
a river like that. Feasibly blocked it. Sorry. Sorry.
[03:38:02] Unknown:
Gentlemen, thank you for your good advice. I'm going to sign off. And I hope some of us Idahoans can have coffee one of these soon spring weekends. Okay. Goodbye.
[03:38:19] Unknown:
Blair Blair. Samuel, so you could feasibly block that road with some of those boulders at 14 Mile Road. Right?
[03:38:28] Unknown:
Oh, I think what there'd be there's too many people on this road to do something like that. What you'd be doing is putting maybe a security gate that can be opened easily and closed easily and have it manned during an emergency where you're starting to produce your own food as a community and things like that. You don't want to get raided and you don't want the city people running out of there with their hair on fire trying to take what you got, etcetera. Right. So you get the community to to do a twenty four hour guard is what I'm thinking. I gotcha.
[03:39:04] Unknown:
I gotcha. But if it gets that bad, you could block it with a boulder.
[03:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. But then you can't get it in and out yourself. Understood.
[03:39:13] Unknown:
You'd have to park your car outside the boulders. I understand. I yield.
[03:39:18] Unknown:
I do own a Unimog, though. So
[03:39:28] Unknown:
Well, I've always wanted to buy one of those two wheeled, mini bikes, and they're not they're they're all wheel drive mini bikes, with floating tires. I forget the name of them. I've always wanted one of those, but they're very slow and very heavy.
[03:39:53] Unknown:
Yeah. I've got a 1957 Unimog with a generator, not an alternator. There's nothing in the world that's gonna interrupt the, functioning of that vehicle. There are no electronics.
[03:40:08] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:40:09] Unknown:
And it's got 20 inches rims. It sits about eight inches off the off the ground, and it can crawl over boulders.
[03:40:19] Unknown:
Now Unimog, is that Russian or that Swiss or what's that, German?
[03:40:25] Unknown:
Mercedes Benz.
[03:40:27] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. How are you?
[03:40:32] Unknown:
Yeah. My, my original title is in German. All the instruments on it are in German.
[03:40:41] Unknown:
And one last question. Have you did you order tried to order the Protectotherm from the guy, and did he reply at all or not?
[03:40:51] Unknown:
Well, if there's no you said the other day there's no price.
[03:40:56] Unknown:
No. I know. But did you say I think he requested some, but he didn't say he could supply it. Right? No sample. No samples, he said. Yeah. He's too busy. He wants he wants you to buy something. And he gave me he gave
[03:41:10] Unknown:
me a price list, but you're saying it's still not on the, website, then I don't know how you'd order it. I haven't looked. I'm sorry.
[03:41:17] Unknown:
Right. No no problem. So you have to email them, get the price list, and say, I want this for this price. I see. Okay. Bye. Thank you very much, man. Yeah. Yeah. But you haven't you didn't order any? Because he won't give you a sample.
[03:41:35] Unknown:
No. And that's sort of strange. A lot of any any company normally puts out samples, but, you know Yeah. For some reason, they're not I don't think they're even probably shipping any of it yet. So
[03:41:49] Unknown:
Well,
[03:41:50] Unknown:
they have a picture of their little warehouse with stuff to ship. I'm going, what's up with that?
[03:41:57] Unknown:
Yeah. What are they not shipping?
[03:42:02] Unknown:
A product called ProtectoTherm, which is a paint that you can put on a house to stop the ignition.
[03:42:09] Unknown:
Really?
[03:42:10] Unknown:
Yeah. The videos they have of Dave are really impressive. One of the videos they show is they so that you know what it is, they use one of those, fold down USPS mailer boxes, right, with the with the real thin cardboard? Yeah. And they put they put the Protectotherm on one of them, and one of them they don't. And then they take a torch and they hit it. And, like, in ten seconds, of course, the one without the Protectotherm is getting going good on fire. And then they do the other one, and it takes minutes for it to burn through a hole, and then it doesn't even really spread.
[03:42:54] Unknown:
So it does burn through, though.
[03:42:57] Unknown:
Well, yeah. You got a a torch there that's over a thousand degrees. Right? And it's direct on the, on the cardboard. So you would expect it, if it's real, to do some damage with a Yeah. A few mils of of a covering on it. It it's actually very impressive.
[03:43:18] Unknown:
I heard somewhere, must have been on here, that somebody did that test with a coin in their hand or something, and they they put the torch on their hand after they painted their hand or something.
[03:43:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's one of them. And and also a chicken egg, which I I have a hard time believing. But, you know. So Interesting. That's why I wanted to get get some myself, you know. In this case, I'm in Missouri, so I could actually put on something and do my own test. Right? Right. Yep. Before I go hog wild and paint the whole place. Right? Right. And then And they have a clear they have a clear product for your shingles so that, you know, you're not turning your shingles black or whatever color it is naturally. And they have a foam kind of a slurry also.
Not quite sure what that is, but you do have for out in the country, they do have foam systems where if you know you're gonna have a fire go through, one of usually the big thing that catches the house on fire are the wooden porches.
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Okay.
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And balconies and whatever you wanna call them, you know. Alright. Because they're attached to the house, they create a lot of heat and a lot of fire. That breaks the windows. Once the windows are broken, flames get in inside the place. Sockets too. Right? Yeah.
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Yeah. They're usually wood covered in either aluminum or mostly it's vinyl.
[03:44:57] Unknown:
Yeah. Part of fire protection here in upgrading is to turn this in those into stainless steel mesh fence.
[03:45:09] Unknown:
So they're open?
[03:45:11] Unknown:
Well, yeah. Yeah. That's what they're for is to let air through. Right? Yeah. But,
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I mean, that would let the fire right in, wouldn't it?
[03:45:20] Unknown:
Well, that's why they put a steel mesh so that you don't get any large amber in or get it burnt through quickly. So there's just so much you can do. I mean, when you see things like nails melted out of wood siding or or or fencing where some of these fires go through, what's really going on?
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Right. I mean Yeah. That don't happen naturally.
[03:45:53] Unknown:
If that's true, then there's a whole another problem to deal with that we don't even understand. Right?
[03:46:01] Unknown:
Well, and they don't call them they don't call them brush fires or but they call them wildfires now. Right? That's kind of a new term, isn't it?
[03:46:11] Unknown:
Well, yeah. And usually in a fire, you you had a chimney standing and a foundation and, you know, something Something. And charred timber. Now the concrete has turned to powder and the rebar is not there.
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Right.
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I mean, something's I mean, as soon as I saw nine eleven and read Judy book Judy Wood's book, I said, well, our government's got something that we should be afraid of.
[03:46:42] Unknown:
During the Paradise or after the Paradise Fire, there were a few people going that this fire might have nano bots, you know, technology. That's what their supposition was that somehow there's some nano technology that's involved with this fire. And I have one question. Do you have a smart meter on your property?
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I'm off grid.
[03:47:13] Unknown:
Well, that's even better. Yep. Well, read the book.
[03:47:18] Unknown:
Elana Freeland's book, Harp Chemtrails in the Full Spectrum Domination of Planet Earth. Yep. Yep.
[03:47:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Kurz will, said that we'll at this mobile congress, World Congress place, he's the lead engineer at Google, he said our phone is going to be the size of a white blood cell and it's going to be in you, you don't need one anymore by 02/1930 and by then it's AI is also going to be intelligent to the point where it's conscious. Oh, Ray is one of the tribe and
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he wrote a book. AI, you mean AI actual idiots?
[03:48:11] Unknown:
In 1999, he wrote a book, The Age of the Spiritual Machine. And when he did that, one of the people asked him, he says, well, do you believe in God? And he says, not yet. Not yet. Right.
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What a piece of work.
[03:48:29] Unknown:
I can't believe nobody will take that creep out. Dave, he rolled back his sleeve, and there was a nodule about how old the size of of a 50¢ piece sitting on his inner forearm. And he said, that's my new pancreas.
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Wow.
[03:48:48] Unknown:
That's his feeding port.
[03:48:52] Unknown:
What a freak, man. Well, the term, Brave New World, definitely comes to mind.
[03:48:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Kurzweilenstein.
[03:49:08] Unknown:
And I think I've mentioned this before. I looked up what the smallest semiconductor is now and it's smaller than one thousandth cube. I just used that because that's about the thinnest human hair. Something we can relate to it. It's actually much smaller than that what they printed on. And when they printed it, they it didn't turn out completely about they said two thirds of it was damaged, yet the third that was functioning still handled 160,000 bits of information. That's just it's incredible. Yep. Yep. That's where we're going. And it's just like That's alien. It's like, wow.
[03:49:54] Unknown:
It's either satanic or alien because only Satan or aliens can live in a on a planet in an atmosphere of which they are creating. I'll agree with that. People can't.
[03:50:08] Unknown:
I agree, Dave.
[03:50:10] Unknown:
And, you know, my my old buddy, the, 88 year old, tool and die guy, dairy farmer, organic, you know, pretty sharp old man, He he got kicked out of his son's Baptist church. His son was the preacher. And they kicked Gary out because they they said he was a heretic because he said that, Eve was beguiled by the serpent, meaning raped, and she spawned, Cain. And Cain was the first Jew, and and then Cain slew his brother Abel and ran off to the land of Nod and created this whole demonic, universe. And they actually they actually said he was a heretic, and they they, excommunicated him out of his son's church.
Incredible. But I'll tell you, man. He, he he that dude was pretty sharp. And then they killed him a couple years ago, this fast cancer of the stomach. And that dude was into radionics, and he taught all around the world. They they flew him to England. England brought him to there to teach the farmers about radionics. And and they all talked you know, all these farmers talked about rotating crops. And he's like, well, do any of you have orchards? And they all you know, a bunch of them raised their hand. He said, do you rotate your fruit trees? Why why would you rotate your crops? You don't have to. You just you just, you know, condition the soil every year. And then you rest the soil every seventh year. And you don't you don't you don't rotate your crops. He grew the same thing on his on his 80 acres, you know, every year.
And he never rotated anything. And he had incredible yields. And, you know, the healthiest, you know, food on the planet, the healthiest cattle, milking cows, I should say, dairy cows. 80 head, he he milked him and his wife every day, twice a day, and he worked about a 20 miles away down in, you know, suburbs of Detroit where he went to Henry Ford School to learn to be a tool and die man, and and he worked for GM. And they all worked together. You know, all the the big three worked together back then. And, yep. I miss that guy. He was pretty sharp. He's the one who turned me on to Mark Quarantine, Liberty Tree Radio.
He was on he was at the foot the foot of the, Ruby Ridge, protesting the FBI not to kill Randy Weaver and his family. That's the guy that that went to the his county for the, capper, accounts, and they gave them to him. And after he turned them back in, they told him if he ever said anything else about it again, they would kill him. And he was a badass. He he was in the military. He'll strike one outfit. You know, he was a trained killer. And, yep. He never said anything about it again to them, but he sure taught a lot of people about it. Anyway, I yield.
Thanks for letting me babble.
[03:54:20] Unknown:
Well, back to fires. What's the thing with the blue not being affected, the color blue? And has anyone of you geniuses, seen the oh, they've got this thing where sound actually puts out fire, a low bass sound, high frequency. Supposedly, it it, disperses the oxygen in the air. Ergo, the fire doesn't burn without it.
[03:54:57] Unknown:
Is that high frequency or low frequency?
[03:55:02] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a bass. I think it's, between eight and eleven hertz, and it's a low bass. And this one thing I was on was claiming that, you know, at these rock concerts, people standing right in front of these big speakers, that's one of the reasons why some of them pass out is due to lack of oxygen, you know, if they're playing at base.
[03:55:44] Unknown:
It's sort of hard to believe about the blue just like it is nails melting out of wood fences. But if you go back to nineeleven and you look at what Judy Wood observed in those Twin Towers and they're not the only thing that came down, everything that had that address came down. There's like eight buildings. And she basically says there's no seismic event for those for the tonnage of those buildings hitting the ground. It returned to dust before they got to the ground. So whatever that was, you know, it seems to be appearing in all of this new fire stuff that we have here around the country. Talk about a place that should be investigated and what went on there. You know, I mean, and there's that wasn't just the only phenomenon that she observed, but these cars blocks away, blocks melting out of them and you know, all the hardware on the cars liquefying, you know, it's and they're not even in the fire.
[03:57:09] Unknown:
Yeah. There's a lot they're not telling us about frequency, vibration, and energy. That's that's for sure. They definitely keep us away from that technology.
[03:57:23] Unknown:
And the only thing you could do is connect it to Hutchinson at the time, the it's called the Hutchinson effect. And he was using basically like Tesla technology with high voltage coils and vibration and stuff like that to bend metal and liquefy things and stuff.
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Do y'all remember the twin towers going down?
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That's what we're talking about.
[03:57:51] Unknown:
Oh, y'all are? Okay. I didn't know. But the car has got one side melted down, the tires melted down and everything.
[03:58:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Bruce, we were talking about Judy Judy's Woods observations
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Yes. On that day. She's from Clemson University. Right. I worked at Clemson University.
[03:58:14] Unknown:
And she got buried. She lost her job. She
[03:58:18] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But she did. She did what she had to do, you know, preaching the truth. And I was there, and they fired they fired me. I got my job back. I was the only personnel person, in the whole universe people that had been in Clemson got fired. They didn't try to get the job back. I did. I went all the way through the process and got my job back. I'm the only one in the history of Cliffs University to get a job back. Wow. I was out producing and the ratings on our process and the still photography section was 98.5 satisfactory rate.
Television production was getting 47% satisfaction, and we were in the same under the same, you know, management, people. And that didn't happen until I got on board and they hired me. I was there for three years, and then we had already jumped up that high on the rating from the from the people that the, on campus or wherever we went. We would always get high level appreciations. And I was doing different things that they were doing before. And, anyway, they just didn't want to have the still photography section,
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I
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guess, rating over the television production area. They invested all that money in television production and they were only getting 47 percent satisfactory rate. In two cases, they did one evaluation springtime. You know, they turned around in wintertime and got the same results, you know, for the whole winter. We got a higher rate on the last one than we did the first one, but they didn't. They got the same rate, and they just I don't know. They just didn't want me around, you know, doing that kind of work. And I took it all the way. They had to fire me to get my job back, and I went through the whole process.
And I had to go to Columbia, South Carolina down there, and, they restored my my position, and I showed up. Anyway, I stayed there for for three three months to see what they were gonna do. They put me in a closet. That was my my office.
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Oh, thank you, Alvin. So would we. We're gonna take another stab at it here at least for a couple hours on the Saturday edition of the radio range. Roger Sales, your host, Mark, and has long for the ride today and don't know who you are, but I hope you're, taking time out of your Saturday to see if we can learn you something, I suppose, or have some kind of good dialogue. Good morning. I I know we're on a real abbreviated list of, helpers today. So, Paul, you wanna cover those real quick and we can plunge into the to the program?
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Yeah. That's that's gonna be really easy. It's just us girls today.
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Wow. It is, yeah. Not a lot of people are doing other things on Saturday or they're not up or something. I don't know. Anyway, we started these Saturday shows back when the Biden administration got in, because, it seemed to me people would be interested in what we've got to say. And if they have questions, they usually can't call in on the weekdays. So here we are to folks to call in on Saturday. Don't have too many of those, but we've had some pretty darn good shows on Saturday over that time period. Paul, you were gonna say something?
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Yeah. Like, within five minutes before the show, there was only one or two people in the conference. And now there's 24. So it's 25. So Alright. We picked up a couple of dozen.
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That's good. Good. Pretty quick. Literally a couple of minutes. So Uh-huh. I wonder, I wonder if any of them are from the rinse program, or programs. But if you are and you've got questions or you just want to stick your toe in the water here in the deep end of the pool, we'd certainly love to speak with you. If you've got queries, we'd like to get it straightened out. I didn't have an awful lot of time to do that on the, on the Jeff show. And as I think back on it, he was he said at the end of the last show, he said, well, you buttoned that up real good. Well, really, we didn't. There's a lot of other things to cover, but I think Jeff was, about, over covering all that stuff with the detail. And I I don't know. I think Jeff has a totally different idea of the future than we do. You know, I like to say there's hope here, and, he's just under the impression that these guys are gonna crush us. And I don't think that's it. I don't know how biblically grounded Jeff is. I think, we are to probably more of an extent.
But, anyway, we'll see where that goes. Hopefully, we'll get some folks out of that. And, if not, it's like I said, going into those interviews. So, you know, I mean, I've I've I've tried not to get my expectations up on these things because they very rarely get met, if ever, in these big appearances. So, anyway, if there's any of you from the rent show, we'd like to speak with you. Say hello if you wanna say hi. And if not, we'll just roll on with something. Yes, Paul?
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I think Jeff Rents is, he's a very biblical guy. But I think where the where the disconnect is is the point in biblical history and prophecy where he is compared to where we are. He's thinking that that we're we're fixing to jump right into the three and a half years of turmoil and, hell on earth. And I don't think we are putting ourselves in that spot in the timeline, And nobody's gonna know how it's gonna shake out until we get a little bit more time under our belt.
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You know, the thing is, I think Jeff was raised Catholic. I think, like, I heard him say that one time. I don't know of another another way to confront these people and beat them, and we beat them every time. You know, remember the Gandhi thing? First, they ignore you and then they demonize you, then they fight you and then you win. Well, with our approach here, we we win at the first step where they won't demonize us because they're so damn scared of the information we've got. They don't wanna put this out in public. And then there is no fight. You haven't seen anybody fighting with them, have you, of our people. And and we won at the very start. So we kinda take a whole shortcut around that. As I said, I've studied history a bit over the years.
I've never found anybody that had these guys in this position before. But, boy, it's difficult for some people to grasp, I think. So, anyway, well, we just keep putting one foot in front of the other. We got looking for numbers. If we don't get numbers, then we've, gotten a lot of god's people out of the way of harm. Now here's gonna be one of our big attributes here was being able to pull people out of IRS. Well, if that's gonna go away, I wonder, Mark, are are they going to have to as they switch over to paying the debt through tariffs? Are they gonna have to leave a a path for us to get through the responsibility of owing those taxes as we don't now with IRS.
So it's just interesting thought, you know. Don't know the answer, of course. But, anyway, we're going through so it's very interesting times. That's for sure. So that's about what I know. Is anybody got anything they wanted to start the show off with today other than my commentary? I heard it. Cool. I asked Larry again. Larry, well, you took up the last half the last hour yesterday's show. It's only fitting you should start first hour today's. Hey, buddy.
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Hey. Good morning. So yesterday, I asked Brent, the question, to whom do does a national owe their allegiance? And he said to the land. And I remember one time early last year, a student called in to the program and they asked you where our allegiance is and you had a couple of like a couple of the list of where you show your allegiance. And so I don't think that land was included in what you were describing.
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So can you maybe give your thoughts on that?
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Alright. I will. The stall smallest state is the land. Right? I mean, you with Florida. Correct? Well, now that you're over under the national status, you're back over under constitutional protections. And so it's god that walks on the land that you're that you're given allegiance to through the state. K? I think pretty easy to figure out. So that's would be my answer. I mean, you say where's your I'm not I'm I'm not resident to the residency of the fourteenth amendment. Where's your residency? Well, if I'm getting my rights from god, I owe god my duties and therefore my residency is in heaven. Isn't that right?
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Yes.
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Okay. Well, isn't that your answer?
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Well, I remember you said, I think one of them was, you owe your allegiance to, I think, the is it the sheriff?
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If someone came
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No. I didn't say that.
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There's a list of a couple of categories. I I I don't remember what you said. I don't If the immigrants came down from another state and tried to invade that your allegiance needed to be somewhere to help No. You know? I want we weren't talking no. We weren't talking about allegiance. There, we were talking about protection.
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Remember the formula. Allegiance for protection.
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Oh, yeah. You have protection. Okay. Yeah. You're right. So your state now
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and the militia they're in, if you're part of that in that age group, then they're supposed to help you protect yourself from the invading invaders like the migrants, for instance. Okay? But that that's all revolving around this little formula. And, I think I've always been pretty consistent on my answers on this. The state and the land, well, the state is the land. Let's look at you know, remember, if you, take the example. I remember John showing us this and play it in your mind. If you'll draw or you can play it on paper if you want. You draw two parallel lines vertical.
K? And at the left is gonna be the national state citizen. At the right is gonna be the federal citizen. So at the top on the state citizen, you put God because that's where you got everything from the rights and everything else, state citizen now, Larry. But secondly, you were a, you were you got your rights from God. You were a state citizen first, and you were a citizen of The United States Of America Second. Now isn't the citizen of The United States Of America in that configuration with the states, Larry, aren't they nationals? They're national citizens, aren't they?
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Yes.
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Well, okay. Well, there's your answer right there. Okay. God, state citizen, citizen of The United States Of America. Now the federal side, you don't have God at the top. You got the federal government at the top. And first in that line down, you're a citizen of The United States, a federal citizen. And second, you're a state citizen, but only if you reside. Did doesn't that give you your answer?
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Yeah. I was, I was mixed up in my mind. You can't hear this stuff enough times. So it was the protection. I remember this student called up and said, what does the attorney general owe us protection from? And that's when you gave the example of some migrants coming down.
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Well, man, or let me give you a better example. Let me give you a better example. They're supposed to protect you from rogue sheriffs that are running around charging you traffic tickets because those traffic laws don't apply to you either. And under these theories, the state is supposed to protect you from that, and they're not protecting you. They're prosecuting you.
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Roger, do you believe the attorney general should also protect you from the state taxation laws? Because I've been like helping some students and they've had trouble with trying to avoid the state income tax. They don't owe for the federal, so they don't owe for the state. And I've even found in the statutes that in Colorado, Georgia and Michigan, they have it in the statutes that they have it or each state has it ordered a little differently, but in general, they all say the same thing that it's just like you've always taught that if you don't owe federal, you don't owe state. And so when you try to invoke that statute to the state tax commissioner that you're responding to or anybody else in the state, they just totally disregard it. They just and we even include the attorney general, and the attorney general doesn't seem to do anything. And I'm thinking that attorney general owes us protection from that.
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Well, they do. But if it's legitimate their their intrusion of the federal government, you didn't owe any Fed. You in every instance that I've ever seen, you take what you owe and you plug it into the state form, and that's how you compute state taxes if you owe them. Well, if you don't owe any federal, then how what do you what do you do with the zero? Well, I you know, first of all, I never told you. They're not even acknowledging their own laws. Well, I That's so frustrating. Well, shit. What am I supposed to do about it? You know, it reminds me of the I'm not sure if you can do anything. I'm just I'm just letting you know how what we go through out there. You know, I'm reminded of the, the vice president. I don't remember his name under Truman.
And, he was writing in his autobiography about some of these sessions with Israel back in 1948 around that time. Right? And and they were in one of those sessions and Truman turned to him. He said, Jesus Christ didn't satisfy satisfy him two thousand years ago. What the heck you expect me to do? I kinda feel like that here. You know, I tell you, we don't have a lack of filing papers problem. We got a lack of education and understanding problem. And this situation that you're bringing to us, excuse me, is the exact representation of that. Mark, can we take them to court? We take them to state court. I mean, you know, Alba came in with Mike. You gotta go He is first. Okay. Go. But but look at Mike over there.
Yeah. Go go. I'll shut up and let you talk, Mark.
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Well, you gotta go through administrative process first. Now Mike in Alabama, he had a traffic case, which is different. But you're talking about taxes. And taxes, you you can go through an administrative appeal process.
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Alright.
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And when you exhaust that, which usually is your last hearing is in front of an administrative law judge, not a real judge, but they're an administrative law judge, and you lose, then you have a right to appeal. You got to watch your timeframes, which you can appeal that into a higher court. In Oklahoma, if you're battling the Oklahoma Tax Commission and you go through your final step of your appeal process, which again is the Administrative Law Hearing, then if you lose, you appeal it to the Oklahoma Supreme Court. So now when it comes to a state not upholding the law, I was always told that if you can take that into federal court on a state political issue. So if the state is not honoring a statute, you could sue the attorney general in federal court and have the federal court make a decision.
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I was gonna add Mike with his traffic problems. Well, that's what accelerated to the tax problem. The state Alabama came back and said, we don't care if you're a resident or not. If you owed federal tax or not, you owe Alabama state tax, and they stole 2,500 from you.
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Oh, wow. Well, they don't do that, right up front. There was a long process. And if you tried some off the wall response, which I've seen so many of, and it breaks my heart. You know? They they don't look at the core issue. They they just I don't know. People are not trained in the art of law. And so I've seen some responses that I'm like, well, this doesn't address the issue. You know? But the the thing with the state tax is clearly because this is what we're battling in Oklahoma. It comes down to your adjusted growth income.
That's the first question on the resident tax form in Oklahoma. Now we we went with the resident tax form because it says, if you're domiciled in Oklahoma, well, we consider this listener, one of your regular listeners, Roger. They were born in Oklahoma, and they've lived in Oklahoma, and this is their permanent home. And according to Oklahoma's definitions, you're domicile here. And under that that definition, the Oklahoma Tax Commission says you fill out a standard resident tax form. And on the very first line, after you put in your personal information, the very first question, umero uno, numero uno, is what is your adjusted gross income?
Well, since he filled out a form, ten forty n r for a nonresident because he's a nonresident in relationship with United States, it his his adjusted gross income was zero. So now they're balking at that, and we're putting together a letter. And, you know, the next step will be asking for our administrative appeal process. What's our next step in the administrative appeal like you tell people to do? Yeah. And we'll go through that process. And once we get get all the way through the administrative process, if we're not successful, then our next step would be appeal to the problem of Supreme Court.
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Yeah. Hey, Larry. I never told you this is all gonna be a rose garden. Okay? And these are some of these people we didn't we we kinda knew they existed out there, but now we're running into them who are desperate for funds and they're functionally illiterate as how these things work. And because everybody else always has to do it, they assume that you do too. And they don't wanna recognize our differences. We have to make them recognize our differences.
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Now there is a way to sidestep some of this, and that is still exempt on your w twos. And and that's where most people are, you know, they're trying to reach back and get their withholding. I I and this was excuse me. We've had a lot of people that had no problem with their employer. If you didn't owe a tax last year and you don't expect to owe a tax this year, you can go exempt on your w two. Now still withhold state. It'll still withhold federal, the FICA for Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, all that. It'll still be withheld. But the bulk of your taxes are are from a personal income tax with the feds, and then that follows with the state.
So, and and each state usually has its own form to file exempt, and you have to update those every year. So what I recommend people do is mark off the end of the year, and be sure that they file an updated w two for both the Fed and the state. And now you don't have any withholdings. There's there's really no argument. The IRS should show that you're, you know, you're nonresident zero income, and that should be the end of it. And that's what's interesting in Oklahoma's case is that the we took the transcript from the IRS and it shows that their adjusted gross income is zero and that they owed no taxes.
And even with that in our package, they're they're balking at it. They don't wanna accept it.
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How can you be so different? Isn't that the question they're asking? Yeah. How can you be so different? Exactly.
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Yeah. Well, there's also some looks like there was, I don't know. They're they're looking at the income, which is above most of the average Oklahoman's income. Probably, you know, definitely above Oklahoma tax commission employees, and then they're paying zero taxes and they're all And they don't like that. They're salivating. They want you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you got some jealousy going on in there.
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Larry, this is one area. You know, I never really even messed with taxes when we were first starting to teach this thing. We've gotten into it a little bit as we've gotten deeper into it over the years. I don't have any answers for people that refuse to recognize this. It's my same complaint with traffic stuff. What do you do there? What do you do when they absolutely refute when that excuse me. When that magistrate in Irondale, Alabama looks Mike in the eye and says, I refuse to recognize your affidavit. What do you do? I mean, Mike tried. He he he messed up because he took his appeal, and he, didn't get it in timely. And they have enough of a fudge over there on the time limit to refuse his appeal. They didn't want They don't wanna look at this.
K? They don't wanna come out as an appeal and if I have to find by the way, that's about I was told about the first place you really get real laws at the appellate level. You agree with that, Mark? I'm sure you do. I do. I do. Absolutely. At the appellate level where they really gotta look at real law, they'll they find this thing. Well, we can say that you didn't get this in in twenty days, so that's what we're gonna say, and we won't have to deal with it. Well, Mike then's only got one other option. He can take it to the Supreme Court of Alabama, but he couldn't find any attorneys that could even understand what we're doing.
And he didn't have the time and the money and the effort, and it takes a lot of stuff to take a case to the Supreme Court of the state. So he's sitting there. Okay. Screw me. Go ahead. I'll pay you. You steal the money here tax thing, and I'm just gonna go ahead about my life as best I can. What do you do in that case, Larry?
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Yeah. I I get it. It's just kind of frustrating, to go back and forth, like, especially the attorney general, and you tried multiple ways to re explain the same thing to them, like, at different angles, and they don't even respond themselves. You know? No. They it's just like there's the common law hat
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sitting in their closet, and they refuse to go in there and pick it up. Yep. Put it on. They don't even know it's in there probably. That's but but many of them don't. I agree with you. And see that now comes to us. We gotta educate these people somehow. And if they don't wanna listen because you're a peon and didn't go to some prestigious law school like they did, but you know more about the law than they do, well, they don't like that.
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Well, this is where this is where if you really wanna push that, you wanna look at filing for declaratory judgments. A declaratory judgment allows the court to make a decision on a legal issue without somebody going to jail or without somebody, you know, having to pay a fine or tax. It's just you're asking for a determination on a legal issue. And you can file that. It'd be a petition for declaratory judgment, and you serve the opposing party depending on what the issue is. It might be your your local county district attorney. It might be the state attorney general. This depends. It might serve both of them. You've got to bring it into some county where you live.
So we have some so the court is empowered to hear your case. Right? So that's you can start that process. But I really want to encourage people to be very careful because this is something very important that I learned from Larry Beecraft and then later from US Senator Lankford from Oklahoma that you can set bad case precedent. And we've had people not knowing what they were doing, going up on appeal and they set bad case precedent that was very difficult to try to get an appellate court to hear that argument again. Yep. And then I learned that from Beecraft. I was like, oh, man. They didn't say anything about that in my legal education in college.
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But see, that was the problem go go ahead, Mark. I'll chime in. Go ahead, Russ. I'll just say that's a problem I had in Atlanta with my IRS case there. Was it I first of all, I I didn't understand all that in regulation stuff, and and I didn't bring it up in the hearing. So the the first problem I had was I couldn't carry that to an appeal because I didn't bring it up and understand it at the lower level. And then the second part was I didn't wanna go into an appeal there in the eleventh circuit being, you know, uncomfortable in that setting and everything else and blow, an opportunity for them to rule against somehow this what I discovered, which is what Ralph Winerout discovered, which is all the IRS regulations are all interpretive, which means they only apply internally to the IRS.
And here they have all these years, nobody's ever confronted them with that, March, to my knowledge. Yeah. They they if they're if they're coming after you for failure to file or something, you you should be able to get all that stuff kicked right back out because all these inter all these are, IRS regulations are not for me. They didn't go through notice and comment.
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And that you stack our status as a nonresident alien on top of that. As a national, you're considered in relationship to the federal government, you're you're a nonresident alien. So, you can get it kicked out. I look at it layers. Like, how far can we go? How many how many layers of protection can I build? The first one, out of the gate, I like is the national. Because if if their rules and regulations are just, you know, internal, they certainly don't apply to me. But as a national, I'm definitely out of their jurisdiction. And so if they can make it over that jurisdictional hurdle first, then we can go on into the regulations as a secondary defense.
You know, so I like to build up layers of protection if I can. And if they can't make it over the national status, then I win. If somehow they contort their way to make it past the national status, well then I got this whole other argument about, you know, interpretive regulations don't apply to me. So that's the way I kind of look at it. But I'll tell you what, I personally feel it's just this is just me. You know, the the whole traffic thing is a sticky wicket in our in our national status because people, you know, they want to say, well, you don't have to have a driver's license and that might be true in lots of states. Matter of fact, well, Roger, here's a good example.
In Nevada has a statute that specifically says, you don't have to have a driver's license. If you're non commercial, you do not have to have a driver's license. Nevada has it? Yes. Yes. I've seen the statute. Yeah. I have it in my resources somewhere. And and I had a, a good friend, James, in in Vegas that I have talked about, to our groups. And, he helped a gentleman fight a traffic case, and they wanted to throw this guy in jail. And and I don't remember. I think they had to take it up on appeal because the lower court was just not gonna appear or or, what's the word I'm looking for?
They weren't gonna admit that that was a law and and that was one of the charges they had against him was he didn't have a license to drive. And they're like, Nevada doesn't require it. So now I don't know if that's changed, but I don't think it has. And I was pretty shocked to see that whereas in Oklahoma, their laws seem to be quite the opposite. It's like, if you got a little motor on a tricycle, then you need a license. That's about how bad it is. Now I'm serious. That's about how bad it is. If it can go over, I think, 20 miles an hour, you need a license.
No matter what kind of wheels, if it's got a motor on it and it's got wheels, you need a license. It's Oklahoma's stance. Now we probably need to back we need to probably research that and see if that address is commercial or non commercial. But I just this is just my opinion. I'm more of a lover not a fighter. You know, when you've been through the the challenges that I've seen in the courtroom, you just realize you do not want to go to court. It consumes your life.
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That's right. Do everything Even if you win stay out of the courtroom.
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Even if you win and many times you lose because you've had to sacrifice your life to get a win. Yeah. It's a conclusion I came to a long time ago. A motor or an engine? They have a motor or an engine? Oh, yeah. I don't recall. Let me tell you this. This is kinda interesting with all the, oh, the electric stuff here in Ecuador, and they're pretty strict on their traffic stuff. You don't have to have a license. You don't have to have a helmet. You don't have to have anything on these electric scooters and whatnot or even little little golf carts, I guess.
And nobody bug nobody bugs you. They're trying to get those things. I think you got out of the VAT tax too when you bought it. So they were really trying to push a lot of these electric things. I considered buying me one of those little electric bicycles, man. Yeah. Yeah. But, anyway Please don't. That's how they own all that here.
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Please please don't buy don't buy electric bicycle. Those bicycles are, oh, not safe on public roads.
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Yes. Yes, Larry.
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Yeah. A question for Mark. Has Mark, have you given any thought to amending that Oklahoma return and trying a non resident return with this person that you're helping?
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Well Maybe that might be the solution. Well, no, Larry. The solution is to ask them oppress them. If if the form five eleven that they have is not the proper form, then you tell me. My My good one of my really good mentors, Pat Patton, who fought the IRS and finally won, they finally come and said, Mr. Patton, we're gonna leave you alone. Pat was funny. Roger, check this out. He'd have an appointment with the IRS agents and if he had to run errands, he'd leave the front door open and put a note on there, come on in, there's coffee. You know, coffee on the on the kitchen table.
And and he would show back up and they'd be sitting on the couch drinking coffee. You
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know? And
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it was just very interesting relationship and finally they're just like, they could not overcome his arguments and they finally just said, We're just gonna leave you alone. You know, we're tired of fighting. We're just going to leave you alone. So, but Pat had this when I when I first met Pat, he I learned this just really important thing. And this is why I like to just get really down to the nitty gritty quick in all my writings, including briefs to the courts. It's not it's not what I know, it's what they know. So instead of him writing pages and pages of pages trying to teach them what the law is, he asked them pointed questions about particular issues in the law.
And it put the burden back on them and that's when they would go quiet.
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Yeah. I tell you, Larry, getting with have you ever gotten in front of IRS agents and tried to go over, regulations? No. No. I don't want to. Well, well, the Patriot people go to a lot of lengths to learn all this stuff, you know, thinking they're gonna have some confrontation. They're gonna give you some knighted. You know? You go in there and try and question these IRS agents. They don't know jack squat about the regulations. All they know is they're supposed to get you in there, intimidate you the best you can they can, and turn your heels upside down and shake as much as they can get out of your pockets. That's all they know.
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True. Very true.
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So, yeah, it's just one of the well, you know, the thing is well, hold it. Linda, you gotta reconnect. You're underwater again. The good news here, Larry, is it doesn't appear like we're gonna have to deal with the IRS much longer.
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Oh, yeah. I know. I've, I was listening to an interview yesterday by an IRS agent that was fired, and they trained him for, like, eight months. And he was talking all about how, what really goes on, you know, behind the scenes. And he was saying that the computer system that they use is a green screen computer from the nineteen seventies. That when they have to go to audit a corporation that they have to go into this computer that was that still has the software and the build from an from the nineteen seventies, it literally has a green screen, and it has all the information, about everybody that's ever filed taxes. He said there's 1,000,000,000 returns that are are filed in that thing.
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Yeah. Pretty amazing. Me. That's up at Martinsburg, West Virginia is where the main computer is for those folks. Linda, did we get you back? Because you were real garbled the second ago. Hear. Can you can you hear me? Well, I hear you now, sweetie. Yes.
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Okay. Great. I wanna make two comments. Number one, when you ask Larry to do the vertical lines, I always see the goats on the left and the, god fearing, god godly, no nation on the right. Okay. Yeah. Alright. It's just my own way of thinking,
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being on the right hand of the father. So that's Linda, I didn't quite catch. What do you put on the left?
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The GOATs. The GOATs are the federal government. Okay. Federal citizens, the residents of the state of the citation. But on the right side, I put the heavenly father, the national, the land, the resident of heaven, protection from my heavenly father. So the little estate has to protect me. So that's number one. Number two, in my affidavit, Larry, I had to really wrestle with the same things that you wrestled with or maybe continue to wrestle with. And so I needed to make it very clear on my affidavit. So I made it like a proclamation. So I did one whereas, as, I, lady Linda Louise, comma, a Proverbs 31 woman, comma, eldest of five daughters, comma, the expositor of my own communications, comma, declare myself to be a national of The United States Of America, owing allegiance to my birth state, Colon, North Carolina, 1 of the 13 colonies, semi colon.
My mother, colon, Lila Louise comma a widow, Psalm 68 verse five in parenthesis, close parenthesis, at age 22, where she raised me with my four younger sisters in Massachusetts. And although I am considered homeless as a transient sojourner, comma, my dominion, Genesis one verse 28, is an Isaiah 61 sanctuary to heal the brokenhearted and to set the captives free on the land located in Connecticut. Okay. So that that made it clear in my head that the state my birth date was land. Where I'm laying my head is land. Where I was raised is land. They all happen to be 13, 13 colonies.
Then the next whereas, I said allegiance to a smallest state is defined by my heavenly father's son, colon, Yahushua, who was asked by a scribe, colon, quote, which is the first commandment of all, unquote. He responded, quote, love your love the Lord your God with all your heart, comma, soul, comma, mind, comma, and strength, period. And love your neighbor as yourself, period, unquote, Mark 12. The smallest state is my neighbor of which my savior, Yahushua, wants me to love. It is this law of love, agape love, no conditions, that I, karma, lady Linda Louise, pledged my allegiance in order to achieve a quote unquote more perfect union, semi colon. So you see, in my mind's eye, in my head, in my heart, in my spirit, when I did my affidavit, there was no mistake of my comprehension as to who I was. Now this took a long time for me to execute because I didn't want to just do a slam bam, thank you, ma'am, affidavit.
I wanted mine to be a historic document, handwritten, and calligraphy, and I yelled.
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Okay. I hope that helps. Very good. Well, you covered a lot of ground. That's for sure. Yeah. There's no requirement. I mean, you can do your affidavit however you want to make sure you happy and fulfilled and satisfied. And, Linda took a little bit different track from most folks, and that's just fine. So, there you go. Thank you, man.
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Yes. Hello? Why the smallest, This is Dan. Why the smallest state when the constitution always had a capital c for citizen and a capital c for state? Well, because talking about the state of Albany. Because that's in the legislation
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where they the changed, state citizen to national, Dan. That was the nationality act of 1940. And, if you go look that up, there's a number of definitions right there under the act. And definition a is a nationalized total allegiance to a small estate. That's where it came from. Now if you take that from the statutes at large over to title a and immigration and naturalization act, and they will differentiate the states for you. And that's done either in the act or over under the certificate of noncitizen nationality, on the state department. Twenty one a.
Yeah. Right. The 11 o one say. Right. They give that statement again, a national owes total allegiance to a small s state. And then down a couple of paragraphs, they give you all the capital estates as all the federal stuff. So that's where it is. Alright. You know, I could go back and but you say in the constitution. Well, you know, chief justice story. Pretty pretty celebrated jurist there, the the early part of the country. In his commentaries on the constitution, he says a a citizen of the state is ipso facto a citizen of The United States.
Well, you see, back then there was only one status. And when he said United States, everybody knew what he was talking about, United States Of America. But he didn't have to differentiate it back then because there was only one status. So you get these little things if you look at this historically, but I would follow whatever the the evil empire's, directions are, because then you're using their own rules against them. Yep.
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I changed my affidavit to the secretary of state, and I capitalized the s on the affidavit you created. I thought that was I was like, oh, they overlooked this s, and I I capitalized
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it. I I don't think there's anything wrong in that sample affidavit. Now do you send that in like that? Nobody's gonna catch it, and you're not an attorney. You're not expected in health these higher circumstances as if one of them would be. But, I don't think it's, you know, it's no harm, no foul. But just for your own edification, we try and follow their directions on the stuff that they've got up to date and in the recent past because that way we're using their rules against them.
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Hey, Rob. I'm one little bit pissed that I actually lost a few weeks of sleep, small less than the biggest after I sent that thing.
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So Well, if you're if if if don't lose any sleep over it, go back and redo it and resend it. You'd just be Yeah. You know, cancel and supersede and change it, and then you'll sleep better. Mark, was that you trying to say something? Cancel super Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Remember Gavin from California?
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Yeah. He'd been on the show a couple of times. It's been a while, probably six, seven months ago. Yeah. Well, Gavin and I have had kind of a running conversation about the definition that eleven oh one a 21, allegiance to estate, and that's a small s state. And what, what we were wondering was what what you know, we look at the legislative intent. So what were The US Congressmen and women drawing their definitions from? And come to find out, and again this is Gavin, I want to give him a % credit. The guy's a fantastic researcher. He said it that on the floor of the House and Senate, they would have at that time a Webster's University's Dictionary Unabridged book of 1940.
This thing is about 18 inches tall. I was able to buy one as soon as he told me about it. I went on eBay and I found one delivered to my door for $35. Nice. I think the shipping cost more than the book. It was huge. Probably. Probably. And so, so under state with a small s and there's they differentiated it. So under a small s state it gives several different definitions. One about the condition, another one about rank, another one about mode of living. But the fifth one was, again smallest state is definition number five from 1940, '1 of the commonwealths or bodies politic which together make up a Federal Republic which stand in certain specified relations with the Central or National government and as regards to internal affairs are more or less independent, used especially of those which combined to form The United States Of America.
Not just United States, but this is the group of states known as The United States Of America. Current appellations or nicknames applied to the states of the union and to their respective native will be found in the following list. So in that following list they gave every state what its abbreviations were. Like Alabama was A L A, Arizona A R I Z.
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That's the old ones.
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That's the old ones. That's what used to be put on our mailings was those abbreviations And so they went to a two two character, all capital letter,
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abbreviation. So And didn't they do that at the same time they did ZIP codes?
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Yeah I believe so. I'm not for certain on that. I never researched that all the way out. So now if we if you turn the page on this now they got states and all capital S. And in general it says the bodies that constitute the legislature of a country in contradistinction to the assemblies of provinces specifically the name given to legislative assemblies of France before the revolution. So in that largest state they're talking about a country. Right, and in our interpretation it's a federal government. So those are now Gavin's next step and I don't know if I'll get to help him with it or not, but we want to go look, and we've got a connection with somebody who can go to the Library of Congress and look at microfiche and so forth. But we want to go look at the session law that was passed by Congress regarding the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1940 and see if we can find some some further information that might help us down the road. So anyway Yeah. I hope I hope that definition and again, you know, where did Congress come up with these definitions? Now if you look at the modern definition, you will not see that on a small s state.
And so people people have misinterpreted that when they look at eleven oh one a 21, a national owes allegiance to a small s state. They're looking at generically across the board and they enter they're misrepresenting what that state definition is. And apparently, there's a difference because a small s state and a large capitalized s state. Right? So anyway, I hope you will help. There's
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another place you can go poke around. Hold on a second. There's another way you can poke around on that, Mark. It's to go back into IRS regulations and see before 1957 how they classified Hawaii and Alaska, and then after they took them out of that when they became states. So, there's another angle there. Yes. Who was trying to say something?
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It's Jack in Colorado.
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Hey,
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Jack. I had a couple questions. And just some background, I submitted my ten forty n r a year ago in February, and it sat in their system for a year and came back. Well, they just shot me a a threat of a, frivolous filing fee that I'm dealing with and with the help of our but, basically, I'm redoing my ten forty n r because I had some errors on it, and I'm gonna go that route. But, but also the state hit me with, like, 20 k worth of fees. But I feel like I can resolve that in the future if I can get my tax statement to stay zero because I can take that argument and say, how can I pay state tax if IRS says they have no income? So, anyway, that's some background. But one of the and while I'm going through this, a little bit stressful, but I'm thinking about, like, if I had to go make an argument, all the pieces of the argument and the evidence of how you can become a national. And, if if I had to, you know, state it in front of a court and point everything out in front of a court, which hopefully I never will, one area where I think there might be a weakness where somebody could argue back, and I want to get feedback on this, on that certificate of non citizenship that we were just talking about where you find the smallest state, that's also where it it says, basically, through some convoluted language, if you were born in this in the state of US citizenship on one of these islands, you can, you know, make a statement that you wanna be a national and not a citizen. And so that's what we use to hang our hat on.
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Now what hold it hold it hold it, Jack. Let's let's talk about what you just said. Now for the audience, that's the statement down at the bottom of the certificate of noncitizen nationality at the very bottom of the page. And there's a paragraph above it, which says if you're in the Northern Mariana Islands and you're about to turn 18, either so many months before or so many months after, you can go in front of a judge and make that statement. I, Jack from Colorado, do solemnly swear my intent to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. Now I think what's going on there, I think that at some point, Northern Marianas was classified in with American Samoa. My best guess here, Jack.
So, but that's what that is. That's where it comes from. And I think you see, when we understand what we're doing here is we're rebutting a presumption. It it doesn't really matter how you say it. It matters that you whatever you say, you rebut it. And that certainly does that. Okay? And so that's where we okay. Well, let me finish. That's where we took that and brought it over for us to use, and I used it as an illustration. K? But the Northern Mariana Islands, I don't believe, are still in that configuration with American Samoa. So go ahead, Jack.
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So yeah. And so to that point, I feel like if somebody wanted to push back and say, no. You can't choose to be a national and not a citizen. They could push back and say that argument, you can only do that if you were born on the there. I would you can't do that if you were born in Colorado.
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It doesn't matter where the hell you're born. What what you what set of laws you live under is your choice, and if it's not, it's tyranny. I don't give a damn what they say. That's what I said with that, magistrate in Irondale, Alabama. Well, what other court testimony, sworn court testimony don't you recognize? Do you realize that you're an open tyrant? You're you're you're overturning two hundred and fifty years of established lawyer or more? You're you're infringing on my right to make my decision as to what flags and what laws I live under? Well, you're an open tyrant, you bitch.
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No. I agree with you. And so just as the devil's advocate, and I'd love to get get Mark's opinion on it. That's the only place that we've ever found that says you can actually choose to be a national and not a citizen of The United States. And some of the, somebody in the court might say, you don't qualify for that, those lines of of code because you weren't born in one of those islands. Well,
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I'm sorry. Go back to Patel's law of nations that was written in about 1750. Every man has the right of personal political self determination. That statement is echoed in the UN Charter. Are you gonna throw all that out the window there, ma'am? Does that not mean anything to you?
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No. It's I mean, you're I think you're right. It's just it's like, if you were to if I was to have to explain this in a court, it would be it would be convoluted. I don't remember all that. Could be. I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat that for you. I'm gonna be rattling that off the top of your head.
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I'm gonna you're gonna have some notes in front of you and and And you're gonna have something you filed.
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I'm gonna repeat judge learn at hand. His paraphrase here, to defend one's rights, one must be a belligerent claimant. How belligerent freedom ain't free. You're gonna have to fight for it in some circumstances. How belligerent are you, up to being to defend your freedom? That's the question for you. Hold on, Bruce. We're in the middle of a discussion. So you see that now? More question.
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Okay. Yeah. So, anyway, am I correct that that's the only place anybody's ever seen where you can declare yourself as a national and not a citizen?
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It's the only one I've seen.
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No. There's court cases that support that. Well, I mean, I'm not through my research.
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Okay. In the meantime, another quick question. I wonder if anybody on the call or if anybody that you've ever talked to or anybody has anybody ever talked to has been able to get their refund back and and get the IRS to say that they don't owe any taxes and also get the state to agree with that, or is the state always been an obstacle?
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No. Very rarely. It's just lately, and I think it's because the economy is so bad that they're all scrapping for funds.
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And so somebody has is somebody has gotten their state return back successfully. Oh, that'd be interesting to hear.
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Yeah. Well, I I Houston, Michigan.
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Houston, Michigan. I believe. She she filed her state and, bam, they gave her a refund, like, super fast.
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Okay. Cool. That's good to know.
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I mean, generally, the state is pretty much a pittance to the federal. I would imagine if you got your federal back, I would I'd just shine it on and run on down the road unless you just wanna really be stickly.
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Okay. That's that's all I had for this morning. Thanks. Okay. Alright, Jack. Good to hear from you.
[00:56:39] Unknown:
Okay, Bruce. Just hang in there. There's a lot to learn. Almost all these topics that we discussed, you can find a supporting court case. And let let me add this. Roger said something and I think it probably went over everybody's heads. File your paperwork in a court, whether it be administrative or not. And you like in you're thinking, well, I gotta just have all this on the top of my head. No. You don't. You typically when you write in court court documents, you write a brief or briefs are typically in an appellate level, but in the lower court, you file memorandums of law.
And here is where we might write several pages educating the court that here's how our status is different and here's how the laws apply. And here I have the right, absolute right, to self determination. Nobody can make this decision for me and they cannot counter it. And when you get that in your mind that you are the master of your citizenship
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status, you're gonna be a lot further ahead. And and I'll tell you what else, Jack. You're talking about do, having to rely on your memory for that in court. If you've written all that and submitted it to them, it's it's admissible in court and bypasses the rules of evidence. You can use it to read from it, and they can't stop it being put into evidence because it's in that administrative pile.
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Exactly.
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Capisce?
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So, yeah, so don't get wound up over this. I mean, you got a long ways to go before you even have to worry about this stuff.
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Yeah. Please don't get the cartwheat horse.
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Yeah. But it it's we've boy, they've done a good work or a good job of putting us in a state of fear, Roger. Yep. You know? And that's that's that's their control right there. Yeah. Every year from January to April 15, they start publishing all these cases where tax protesters had all these awful things happen to them. Well, I promise you that did not happen overnight. There was a they had to have they give them an opportunity for a, Oh gosh, Roger, what was the name of that hearing? Is it CP something? It's a collection, due process collection hearing. Right?
So with the IRS, they have this due process hearing, which is nothing more than, hey how much do you owe? But here's where you get a chance to put your documents into the record. Right? So you're putting these documents into the administrative file and and then after that if you if you don't make it through their administrative process you can appeal it. But they don't come kick down your door overnight and and take stuff. And and even then, they don't the IRS doesn't kick down your door unless they think you're you're, doing something criminal and they're gonna haul you off to jail. But again, that's not just overnight.
They're not going to garnish your bank accounts or put a lien on your property or all this other stuff until you've gone through quite an administrative process.
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Again, and this tells you this isn't admiralty law because admiralty law, they could come do that. But here, they got a process to follow. And if they don't follow it exactly, you can beat them in court on the fact that they didn't do something correct or they didn't do something at all. There's process process process.
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Okay? Let me throw one other thing in there. This is why I believe everybody, I don't care what what your, you know, level of wealth is, you should have property over into a trust. Because if it's sitting in a trust and it's a properly done irrevocable trust, then it really doesn't matter what they try to do to you. Yep. You don't own anything. There's nothing they can lawfully take from you. And if they do take it, you can have your trustee get it back because it doesn't belong to you. So this is, I think it's critical for most people, especially if you're in our position where you're challenging somebody like the IRS.
You know, I just feel like especially if you're a business person. If you're a business person, you're like walking around with a bull's eye on your back because you're if you're out there operating in the public, doing commerce in the public, you're you're prone to getting sued. So you, you know, you wanna try to protect your assets as much as possible.
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You know, we've had very few examples of cross and storage with the state taxing authorities. It's only come up recently. I don't remember another case until recently, and I think that's because of the economy and the shortage of funds, and everybody's hungry for a cha ching cha ching. Aren't they, Bruce?
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Oh, yeah. Tell me about it. Well, we went into a situation with a phone company, and the lady was buying two phones, and it ended up to over a thousand dollars with two phones. And they said, plus taxes. And I teared up and said, oh, we don't pay taxes. They said, yeah. You do. You gotta pay taxes on the phone you get. I I said, we're nationals, and we don't owe any taxes to anybody. You're the business. You're the one that's supposed to pay the taxes. Get the hell out of here. We don't wanna see you back in this place. Blah blah blah blah blah. I walked back in with the with the affidavits as secretary of state and serve them at that point in time. Now we're gonna do administrative process on them, and they gotta answer every line on the administrative process we give we we serve to them.
If they don't, answer every line we have in there, they're in fault in thirty days. That affidavit is the law of the case right there.
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Okay. So, did you walk in without phones? Hold on. Did you walk out without the phones?
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They kicked us out of the building. Okay. So you didn't get it here. I came back in here. I came back in there with the affidavit to the secretary of state, proven we were nationals. That's the law right there. They don't wanna abide abide by the law. They're in fault.
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Okay. Right then and then us You got it. Let us know how it turns out.
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K.
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Let us know how it turns out. And I think I'd never thought before. I had that guy Rich on the show one time, and he was he said, you the sales tax is not for you. It's for the business. Well, that makes total sense to me. The business is the one that went and applied for life and got a business certificate and all that. That tax should be held on them. They just try and spread it out to you. If not, they're gonna have to raise the price of their goods. Okay. Well, let us know how it turns out, Bruce. K?
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Well, I'm just I'm just trying to give y'all an example of what you got in your hands and you're not using it. You know? Well, it's just some Bruce,
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you gotta understand most people don't want to be confrontational like that. They'll take the low road.
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So why are they doing what we're doing? Why are they doing what we're doing?
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Well, they some people aren't ready to fight every little nuance. Some folks are. It's just a difference in personalities. I'm not telling you not to do it. You didn't hear me say that. Oh, I know that. I'm saying that, Roger. I understand. I'm just saying that. Why aren't why aren't there thousands of people here at this show today, Bruce? I don't know. That's Well, I've seen their thing as theirs. I don't know. You know, it's like brother Dave Garner. Somebody asked him a question and and he said, well, I don't know. And they said, but I thought you knew everything. He says, well, I do know everything, but I don't know that.
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Okay. Well, I think I take a little different approach to that, Roger. When it comes to sales taxes, I like to try my best to reverse engineer everything. Farmers have certain exemptions from sales taxes. Okay? Churches and nonprofits, they have exemption from sales taxes. So figure out a way that that you can be, you know, recognized as being, tax free status, and now you have a different ball game. You just whip out your whatever you got, a card or whatever and and Right. You know, hey. I'm tax free. Now if you can't get one of those, then you're gonna have to go to the level of what Bruce is going through. Right? Well, now what how do you go about getting established as a church? Don't you just apply to the state or something? Yeah. Yeah. I go to the secretary of state's office, and Oklahoma is $50.
And and then you can, get a tax identification number from IRS, and that's really all you need.
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Yep. So there you go, Bruce. There's a little easier way to attach it attack it, I should say. But Well, I I never tell anyone
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national ship. You know?
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No. I I tell people I don't know how far you wanna press it. That's up to you. Bruce wants to press it all the way down to the sales tax level, and that's fine. I'm not gonna tell him not to do it. But some people aren't comfortable doing. Some people are just think that making the less waves is the best.
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And and there's there's potentially another way, Bruce. I know, in most states, if you if you're a resident from a different state and you come in and and buy stuff like, there's people that drive up from Dallas and buy furniture in Oklahoma City because one, it's a lot cheaper, and two, they don't have to pay a sales tax on it.
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Yeah. Right. They're all state.
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I mean, I'm not And then in some instances, if you ended up having to pay some tax that you shouldn't have to pay, there's, I think there's a way that you can recoup that from the state. Probably. It's better not to pay it at all if you can. But in in some states, I believe they have a a method for you to say, hey. I shouldn't been taxed this. Please give me a refund.
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There was somebody trying You got some different angles to look at. There's several people trying to get in. I hear Larry. I thought there was another guy there, so I'm trying to say something. Yeah. Yeah. This is Chris from California. Hello, Chris.
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Yeah. Good morning. Yeah. I just was gonna mention something that, you know, we've all heard before, and that is, you know, it all depends on what heal you wanna die on. Yep. What's it what's it worth? And we've got so many problems that we need to resolve that, do we have time to do it all? Probably not. So, we have to pick and choose what seems to be the most significant and what might bring back the greatest benefit for us. And so we we we have we have to look at this carefully because our resources are limited and our energy is limited. And so, so for Bruce, I just tell him, you know, yeah. I I'm I'm aware of people with that are, you know, for the taxes and and so forth, the driver's license, all kinds of things.
But we we gotta go to the core of this,
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I think.
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I heard an old Patriot say one time, Chris, don't fight the battle you don't know you can can't win.
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That's right. Exactly.
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Okay. Larry. Yeah. It's Larry. This is Jack. I was just trying to say that Wow. That, both Larry and Jack can't go. Jack, hold on. Go ahead, Larry.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was just trying to say I I'd like to play the devil's advocate. And, you know, what about the merchant's rights? You know, he he doesn't have to sell that phone to, Bruce. Bruce is gonna go, start an administrative process. If this ends up going before a judge, the judge could, just say, well, listen. The merchant didn't wanna sell you the phone.
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Well, he's got the ability I don't think he know what the administrative
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process is.
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Yeah. I was actually mister Jack, I was actually gonna say something very similar. Sometimes you can go into a store and that you can buy things and it says, you know, no tax, and that's because they build the tax into the price knowing they're gonna have to pay it. So if they haven't previously built that into the price and they're asking you to pay the tax, then if you're not gonna go along with that, that they can choose not to sell it to you because you're kind of working against their business model.
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Have you ever seen the sign we refuse the we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone? No. You've never seen that sign outside my business? No. Well, I'm
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I'm not asking you No service.
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I'm not asking you about the phone. I'm asking you about the general principle. Have you never seen a business with that sign before? I have. Can refute well, then you I don't know where you've been, but, they can refuse business anyway. Hello. There's a phone call. Yes, ma'am? Yes, ma'am? Is my pizza ready?
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Well, you're
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Tom, man.
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Hey. Alright. We got Joe and we got Boris. Boris is first. Joe will get you. Go ahead, Bory.
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Hey, Brian. How you doing? Alright. You always tell you always tell us that it's not fraud until you discover the fraud. Okay? You discover the fraud. What you do from there on?
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You mean here?
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Okay. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. You you got you got their fraud.
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Uh-huh.
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Well, I don't know if that's fraud. It's just that they're path trying to pass that on to you, and Bruce is saying we don't have to pay it. So they kicked him out of there because they No. No. No. No. No. No. I say I the the national, you know, like, the US citizen
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is a fraud because they pass that against the people. You know?
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Well, I'm sorry. Nobody know what they're doing. Wow. There's a whole lot of layers of fraud in there. Yeah. With the citizen, with the federal citizen. Okay.
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Okay. If it's fraud, why can we go about that fraud?
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You you know, Boris, I I don't know. I try and teach this stuff for people for fifteen years, and you you get a handful of people that it registers with that wanna do it. I I I don't have answers to these questions.
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Because everything is is a lie. It's it's everything is no, you know, all fraud. Why we doing arguing about something that we know is fraud? How can we fix it? If we because if if you discover the fraud, where do you go and say, hey. I discovered this.
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What we gonna do about it? Does Bruce wanna go back and do the research in Missouri that shows that the AT and T Soros attacks and he doesn't
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and go through all the steps and maybe Okay. No. Right. But I'm not talking about the phone. I'm talking about being an an US citizen and being a national, you know. Alright. I'm talking about the fraud that they doing with us, Not not the fraud that they doing with the pastors
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and Bruce.
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I'm talking about the information that you show us in here. All we can do is
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fraud. Okay. Well, it is. Best item, Kjell.
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So come out or Okay. But how would can we where we go to where do we go and say, hey. We discovered this fraud.
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How can we fix it? Well, the only thing you can do is try and do go to some legal authority. Most of them aren't gonna know what you're talking about. Just like Mike trying to talk to lawyers about taking that course to the Supreme Court, none of them understood what he was talking about. You gotta go with some of them or you're not gonna take it to court. Yeah. What do you think? But I I may Boris, hold on. But it's the way that they bring in their stuff too. You know? It's the way that they bring in their stuff. File the affidavit and live your life as a free person and be an example to others. That's the best answer I can give you. Okay.
You've already got the remedy. Thank you. Right. Free. You're the individual. What more do you want? I mean, I want him to recognize this. I'd love for it to be common parlance in the country, and maybe we could get rid of some of this Zionist influence everywhere. Okay? That'd be my deal, but hell, man. I can't I don't know how to do it. I just got on a show two nights with a huge freaking audience, and they're in one person from those shows on this show today or yesterday or probably Monday. Well, so what can I do? Did I not explain it good, Boris? Did I not do a good job on Jeff Rents?
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No. You explained it good, Roger. But the thing is if we discovered the fraud Well, there's your answer. Why aren't people here? Well, because everybody is not looking for the truth. Right? Everybody is don't wanna be safe. Everybody don't wanna do the legwork. Everybody don't wanna do be free. I don't I don't know how to make them look for the truth or recognize they don't want it. I don't know how to do that. Okay. But we got we we got the truth. We got the truth. We know that this is all fraud. How where do we go and say, hey. We discovered this is fraud. Do you screw it screwing us. Go to court?
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Well, you're not gonna get any recognition. What judge Oh, okay. Is gonna be the judge you're as shit. Let me answer your question. What judge is gonna be the judge that turns this over and is the goes down in history as the judge that pulled the bottom card out of the damn house of cards? Which one of them is gonna do that?
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I'll I'll tell you. Anybody know that they do it, we have to we have to do a good battle and win win the battle, then they have to admit that this is all right.
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You know, I'm doing the best I can do, which is trying to get people. If they wanna know the answer, I did it to them. You can't force us on people. We better be Don't forget about people they don't wanna know, Troyer. We wanna be we want them to to recognize that we find out about their fraud. I'm I'm sorry. What you want in the issue, what they want is the issue. You can't want something for somebody
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worse than they want it for you. No. Not for the people that don't know. I don't care about the people that don't wanna know. I I care about us right here, brother. Us. Why? We we in here. Okay. What?
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What? Care about what? Okay.
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What about our freedom? About, you know, telling everybody that this is fraud and and make them, you know, like, agree they yeah. This is all fraud. Well, you can't get them to leave. Because when when you send them the letter, they stay quiet. Okay. You caught them in the light right there because they stay quiet. They don't got nothing to say. But, one other step that we have to take for them to realize that we caught them in the light.
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Well, you know what? If I knew that question, Boris, I guarantee I'm tee you. I'd have done it ten years ago.
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You got to do the work, not Roger. He's given the work. No. No. I'm not talking about Roger doing the work because I know. We know we know the information already. But I I gave you an example of how you can handle this in front of the people that don't understand what's going on. You do the affidavit in administrative process. They gotta answer each line in that affidavit in thirty days. If they don't answer it, it's the law of the case. You Okay. Because they don't recognize it. What you're gonna do in that point? When they don't recognize it, what you're gonna do then? Like, look. You take it in front of a magistrate or whatever, and they gotta sign it because that's the affidavit that has cured to be the law of the case. Okay. That's your affidavit just like you sent to the secretary of state. Thirty days. That was the law of the case. Okay. Everything is beautiful. Yeah. That's that's beautiful was when that no happen,
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what you gonna do then? When they don't recognize not not when they don't recognize your paperwork to recognize why you gonna
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The the process is is the key to the remedy. The judge has to sign that affidavit after thirty days. It's the truth of the case. That is the law of the case. Right?
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I don't know what administrative remedy you're gonna take to AT and T here. I I don't know what you're talking about. You know? Right. They refused they oh, god almighty. Can we please finish one of these conversations?
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Roger. Roger, may I?
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I'm sorry. Roger.
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May I, Roger?
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Yes.
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Joan Joan was trying to get in there.
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Oh, shit. There's all kinds of people that are trying to get in here. I don't even know what we're talking about. Bruce has got some administrative process against some corporation. You can have to okay. Well, good. Go. I agree. Let's know how it turns out.
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It's Michelle.
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Hello. Yes, ma'am. Roger. Hold on, Marco. Who's this lady? The wrong question is being
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the wrong question is being asked. Who are you? What can this is Rochelle in Idaho. Okay, Rochelle. And I understand this gentleman's conundrum because I had the same problem. What can we do about this fraud? It's everywhere. And when I finally came up with my answer, it began with, who is my boss? Is God my boss or the religious Pope my boss or is the creator my God, Jesus, my boss? So I went back to the Bible, went back to his law, and I put now I put all my trust in God and even before I knew how to write everything properly, I knew I had to make a statement to my local government that they were causing me potential harm and real harm by not if they did not recognize my true status that I belong to God and he is my boss.
And I didn't write it like that. It was a nice affidavit. I only gave it to my commissioners and had it recorded as a deed a couple of years ago in my county courthouse. And the reason is this has worked for me at the beginning. It was a start. Is because I had to show I was experiencing harm. And wherever you're getting harm, if you're a landlord and you're losing your properties because you have overtaxation, over control of the government, there's your harm. A pastor came into the commissioners while I was there, unbeknownst to me I do know him.
He gave an affidavit, a full affidavit of why he was having he was being caused harm because he was being forced by the commissioners to request a a release of taxation on his church. And the pastor said to him, I cannot even by my own moral conscience, I can't even ask you for relief because I already have the right and the mandate from God Almighty to leave my flock and I don't I should not and I cannot even ask you to give me a partial or full relief of taxation. So therefore, he said, I'm not paying taxes. Our church is not paying taxes. We own our church. They weren't five zero one c. They went through that whole process to get out of the government in their church.
So that's one example of a pastor, how he handled it. So you have to identify the harm that you're getting. And like Linda Louise said, when you write your document, it does become and it should become a historical historical family document for you and your family. And because I'm old and I'm just crippled and I'm nobody, I'm really not a threat to my commissioners. They didn't do anything to me. In fact, they thanked me for standing up, which I think is kind of unusual. And I don't know what they've done to the pastor. But the important thing is we each have to do something on our own. And if enough of us do it, that's the only way because we just have to recognize who's in charge and refuse to comply with the others and that has to be the hill you tie on and it's kind of scary but you you don't have to go all the way, give every county you ever travel through a notice of this and that. But if you're going to travel through that county and you think they might bother you or they have in the past, that's the county I give a notice to or any, any agency that is a threat to me. And after that, I'd let everything just go.
And I yield, and God bless you all for doing what you're doing.
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Roger. Hey, Roger. Thank you, Rochelle. Oh, geez almighty.
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Marica Bob's there. America Bob at yes. Hi. I wanted to say Bruce is right. We are we are sending our administrative process, lawful legal notices, and and informing them that this is an affidavit of true of fact and that they need to understand that if they don't respond, like Bruce was saying, they need to respond. And if the if they don't respond, they're on default. And that's what you need to do, Bori. If they're on default, you take them to court. You get your taxes back. You have that's things that you have to research and go over and do the process to do that. And, yeah, not everybody's gonna do it, but we can, whoever wants to, you know, put them put them in line because we need we're the ones that have to do it. We have to take the action.
And Joan was waiting and Bob's there too, Roger.
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Okay. Joan?
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Hi. Hi. Hi. I think what Bory was asking because when he mentioned the word fraud Hey, Bari. Are you there? When he mentioned the word fraud, what came to mind to me was mortgage fraud. Mortgage fraud. And so I think he was just asking for, like, when if Roger discovered mortgage fraud, what would Roger do? I think that's what he was asking.
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I didn't get that question. I thought he was questioning how we turn other people onto this. And all you can do is put it in front of you. No. No, Royer. No. Royer. My question,
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Royer, my question is, you know, you discovered the fraud with the citizen chip with The US citizen and The USA citizen. Okay. You send the affidavit and they stay quiet because it's all fraud. Yeah? And then Well, not if we discover the fraud, why can't we
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They stand quiet because it's your choice, not theirs. They can't say anything.
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Okay. Okay. But it's all fraud. No?
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Well, there's a number of layers of fraud from the asking the question, are you a citizen of The United States? That's not full disclosure. They say, are you a citizen of The United States or a national? That's full disclosure. So there's your first layer, and there's layer after layer after layer underneath it, best I can tell.
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Okay.
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My question was that, you know, that if we discovered that all this about the citizenship and The US citizen is fraud, how Right. People where do we go and say,
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hey, we discovered that you are doing all this b s. Okay. Alright. And I'd say it's all fraud. That was my question, right. Well Thank you. I mean, you either gotta take them to court or you gotta go to the Department of Justice in The US and either one, I guess, but I don't think you're gonna get any satisfaction out of either one of them. Well, that's what we're trying to do is go person to person, Bory, and get enough of these affidavits in there where we put the pressure on them to address it. We got to have numbers.
We have no teeth if we have no numbers. But and if we don't have any numbers, then we all are God's children, and we got to pull ourselves out of the beast, and he showed us the way. And it's an individual thing anyway. I mean, we hope it'll turn to a group thing, but really, it's an individual thing. If you got other just like John Benson said, the only way, Boris, you could protect your liberty is to go find somebody and help them protect theirs. So really, it's up to us individually, isn't it? Because I you're never gonna get any satisfaction at where they're gonna they're gonna give you some court case where you go, see here. Look here. They've been lying to us for all these years. Look what these slavers been doing. I I don't think you're ever gonna get that judgment out of a court.
Why hell? Well, yeah. Look at William in Augusta. His magistrate friend there doesn't even know what a person is for God's sakes. These people don't know these things. So that's our dilemma, Bory, is to spread it person to person, buddy. That's why I'm here six days a week for two hours. And how may when's the last time we had a when's the last time we had a new person here? Julie, back in January?
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If you're gonna have some new ones.
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I hope so. Well, we'll see. I mean, it doesn't matter. Dan, if we don't have any new ones, I'll be sitting here doing the same thing over and over again. Okay? This this Anyway, alright. Now I got Bob there. I got somebody else. Bob, how are you doing, buddy? Sorry.
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No problem. It's been very entertaining. Okay. Good. I feel your paid, Roger. You're herding cats. Yes. You're herding cats.
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No, that's right.
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A little bit different tack here. I've got an article on Zero Heads that's very interesting. It basically is a summation of your last ten years of radio shows, but it misses one key point. Can you guess what it is, Roger? No. I have no idea about national well, two things. They have no idea about the national status, and they have no idea about the feudal system. And he touches about every other touchstone. He's got Canoes, Empire of the City. He's got the act of 1871 incorporating the municipality of DC and giving the residents of DC some kind of status, etcetera. He goes through Sutton's books. He goes through The Wizard of Oz. He goes through it quite extensively, in fact, as far as the alliteration of, you know, the gold and the silver, the Tin Man being the industrial guy, the what's his name being the Cowardly Lion, William Jennings Bryan, etcetera.
Yeah. He had the facts, he just didn't have the courage to go ahead, etcetera, etcetera. It's, the name of it, it's it's by today's standards, you know, three paragraphs and you're done, the Internet age of micro microwave, journalism. It's quite lengthy, actually. But the the the title is what if the America you pledge allegiance to isn't the one running the show? Yep. I'm good to hear. What if the America you pledge allegiance to isn't the one running the show? Yeah. They go into the city of London. They go into Washington DC in the Vatican then the three pillars, you know, etcetera etcetera. He goes through some mythology and he dismisses it as being potentially not valid, straw man, and all that kind of stuff. No offense, Mark.
But at any rate, it's a really good read, and I don't have the, acumen, if you will. I've never replied myself to it. I don't I've never been on Substack unless it's somebody's link to it. But my guess is if somebody could reach this author who is given, as the byline on his Substack and and communicate with him through the comments if that if that's done, I think it is. He is right for the picking. He's got everything except he doesn't have a clue about the national or
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the feudal system. Well, it wasn't Tyler Durden who authored it, was it? That's their PIN Well, Tyler Durden
[01:31:23] Unknown:
Tyler Durden is just the generic name for whoever's in the, editor there. But, no, it's Joshua Stillman and Substack, and it's linked to it. But, my old browser won't even bring it up. It just gives me a a dead link. But Uh-huh. Anyway, it's a really intriguing article, and it's very, exhaustive. It gives links to multiple books, and he goes through Mandel House, and he goes through, Philip Drew administrator. I mean, it's it's pretty in-depth. It's really good. Uh-huh. He just misses a couple key points that you've brought over.
[01:32:02] Unknown:
That shows that a lot of the undercover information is getting public notice and this is their threat is that's growing through the population. You know, Bob? Yeah. I I I just it's like with RINCE, you know? I mean, years ago, I've been trying to get on there for a long time. Never could. Now I get on there and, well, it's like a turd in a punch bowl. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, really Well, you did a good job. The other one. You explained it well. I'm sitting here doing what what did I do wrong, you know, trying to self criticize myself. But it this is just the the overall dilemma that we've always had with this information.
It just reaches a small percentage of people, and what you've gotta do is put it in front of enough people to find out who it resonates with. And when one of them resonates, then you grab them and throw your arms around them and educate them the best you can.
[01:32:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, concerning Bory's dilemma, I appreciate his thought, but to me and I'm not trying to be critical. I'm just looking at it. I I I hope objectively, but everybody's subjective. We gotta be real. I mean, it's an individual fight. And to ask for some overarching authority that you can go to to say, hey. I caught him. What do I do? I mean, that's almost antithetical to the point that it's an individual choice. It's it's as if we're incorporating common law and and civil law and to say, hey, you know, it didn't work that way. I mean, it's a personal thing. It's you can't really in each individual instance, yeah, there may be somebody you can talk to and say, I'm out of here. But, you know, you can't go to the ministry of Well authenticity and say, hey. I caught them. They don't give you a gold star for that.
[01:33:46] Unknown:
See, the them standing mute means that you've gotta go after them offensively for the fraud. K? Right. Right. They already agreed with you.
[01:33:57] Unknown:
So Interesting point.
[01:33:59] Unknown:
And I don't know any of these. Like I said, you're trying we just try and educate the people we can come in contact with and like Harvey, you know, when he was up there in couple of years ago in the registrar's office and he took the affidavit in, tried to get registered as an elector. The Winesong family is kind of a celebrity up there. His mom still living was the oldest living voter in the county. They all knew her. They're very active politically. And so, you know, Harvey gave her that, and and he was off on the other side of the room doing something. And he looked back, and the supervisor of elections was reading his affidavit. In the midst of leading up to an election and all the hubbub and everything else in there, she stopped and read the affidavit. Well, I I I don't know any other way to do it except that.
Right. I'm sure not gonna be able to elections that's I'm not foolish enough to think I'm gonna go file some court case and spend all that money and have some success, man, just be be grateful we got our freedom. I I agree we wanna spread it, but that it's person to person the best I can tell. It's the only way that's ever been effective to me. And I'll illustrate again point. And you're concerned and you're voting. Here's here's two huge Not not. Two huge audiences. There's not one person that's been on the show from those two RENT's appearances. So you tell me, Bob.
[01:35:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, like like I say or I I agree with Bory that it'd be nice. I just think the the concept is ill advised because there is no overarching authority that can validate the fact that we're right. Well, other than god. Well, we do. Secretary of state does. He doesn't say anything. I mean, I take it at that. Well, exactly. That's what I mean. It's not like you get well, boy is looking for a public acclamation. You're not gonna get it. You know? Go ahead. You know, I appreciate a cinema.
[01:35:56] Unknown:
I was trying to tell one of the guys in Born of Cyrus about this years ago, big big big boss man. And he goes, Roger, I'll believe your stuff when I see it on the front page of the New York Times.
[01:36:10] Unknown:
Yep. Well, he pretty much sealed his fate right there. Yeah. Interesting point. Then I've gotta go. I received a jury summons yesterday. Yeah. And it occurred to me that I've been negligent. I've been telling myself for years that I'm going to go to the, supervisor of elections and talk with her. I actually know who she is. Went to church with her, etcetera. And I was gonna explain to her what was going on just whether it mattered or not, whether she take it up or not. You know? But there's a second page to this summons to come in to get selected for jury duty or not.
And the second page has a list of like 20 things that would exempt you or postpone it. Postpone, an example, would be if you're a new mother within the last six months, you're exempt. Okay. And but you'll be on the next time. But the first thing on the list was I am not a US citizen, and I thought, well, there you go. That's my big boss, bro. That pretty much does what I need to do, but I think I'll attach some paperwork to it and send it back in. Put a copy of the ad. And I need to I need to I need to attend to the voter roll thing. I've just never done it. Of course, when I moved down here, I got on the voter rolls because I was blissfully ignorant and unaware, and it just seemed like the civic duty to vote. You know? Mhmm. So, anyway,
[01:37:40] Unknown:
interesting thing to say about that quiz. Talk about validating their fraud, the whole voting thing. Go ahead, Paul.
[01:37:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, my two daughters were in and about, and I held that up to them. And I I showed it to them. I said, what stands out to you? And they both picked up on it immediately. You do. Yes. It is. Well. I mean, it's not hard. It's the first thing on the list.
[01:38:02] Unknown:
How's mom doing after the surgery?
[01:38:06] Unknown:
Well, she, graduated from physical therapy as far as anything formal. No more going to PT, but she's, you know, supposed to stay diligent and do it herself two or three times a week, if not more. But Right. Went to the doctor, actually saw the doctor that installed the hip, not just a a PT or a clinician, and, he gave her a pretty clean bill of health. He said, basically, if it don't hurt, you can do it. You know, it's up to you. Just be active. Don't don't be lethargic and don't back away from it. But Yeah. Basically, anything that doesn't stretch it
[01:38:40] Unknown:
Yeah. You know, says you're you're good to go. Okay. It's up to you. Alright. So Alright. Well, that's that's good deal. For it. Okay, buddy. Well, thanks for checking in. You're you're loud and clear today on your, communication here.
[01:38:53] Unknown:
Yep. Good to know. Well, check out that article, folks. It's a really good read, and, it brings in some, sources that I was unaware of in a few in a few instances. Got some charts that contrast, real law, you know, positive law and and administrative, and he's very well aware of all that stuff, the author. Wow. And it just seems funny if somebody could get to him in the comment section on his substack, he would be right for the picking.
[01:39:20] Unknown:
I would say if you wanna put something in there, I'd give a link to God's trump card, interview with the badass uncle Sam. Thank you, Bob. Yep. Yep. You're welcome, buddy. Hey, Roger. You soon. Alright. Yes. There's somebody. Is that Danny?
[01:39:36] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. I got some suggestions about where to take, notices of fraud and things that I because I've been working on some things along those lines too. Okay. Talk right on the phone. Well, I'm not on the phone, but is this better?
[01:39:51] Unknown:
Yeah. It is.
[01:39:52] Unknown:
Okay. Like, various places have, departments of, risk management and, maybe or a risk management officer. And, that's their duty is to protect the city or whatever body they're with from, liabilities that, they could avoid. And so I recently sent a letter to the, city, risk management department here, about their, their some deficiencies observed in the officers, the police department. And, this gets back to something you brought up earlier too talking about the traffic stuff. What I have discovered is that the police do not know what the legal technical definition of vehicle is and how to use it properly.
And, actually, you kinda go through it, start analyzing it, but vehicle is something that's used in the transportation industry. Transportation is a part of commerce. And so, like, the guy that, was talking about where the judge asked him if he if he bought gas. Well, that was commerce. Well, yeah, that was commerce, but it's not transportation. And transportation is the particular kind of commerce that's involved in roadway or surface transportation in particular. And, so I wrote this letter to, the, the, risk management department. And I I got a little story from the past where something happened from contacting a risk management department.
Several years ago, when I was living in Houston area, a girl there I knew got herself put in jail by a JP for a while. And, so I started off the, habeas corpus trying to get her out with a higher court. Oh, wait. Gotta go to the original court, first. And so, I thought, well, I just don't know how well this is gonna do, but I heard something about the risk management department. So I basically took what I had in the habeas corpus, re reformatted it, and and wrote it up as a letter to the risk management department. And, well, if I was to JP, it must have been the county.
And, pointed out all these things that they did and stuff to do and took it there. Well, I wasn't able to get right to the person that would work on it, but I got it turned in. So, you know, it is most of the time, something that comes in is gonna be like a claim on a a police car crashing into to somebody or something like that. And so they got a, you know, timely process, but it's not urgent because it's already all happened. And, in in her case, though, I I pointed out these things and that it was a a continuing harm and accumulating liability.
And, you know, I put that in, let it do what it was gonna do, then I go back and wrestle with those courts and things. And so that didn't ever go anywhere. So finally, I gave up on that. And then she's supposed to get out on on a Saturday, and so I went on Friday to see if I could talk with her for a bit about, you know, getting her back home and stuff, and she wasn't there. And when I found her again, she was saying that when once they decided they wanted her out of there, they couldn't make her move fast enough. They had a a matron there. They said, get your clothes on. Get your clothes on. Get your clothes on. Put your shoes on. Put your shoes on. Put your shoes on. And they started coming out And said, I don't know what it meant, but she said she had this purple card that she waving around. Everybody got out of the way and got the doors open, and they got her out as fast as they could. So I had to be that risk management department. Finally, somebody read that letter and said, get rid of this.
And, so that's the basis for for doing that. And I wrote this letter, feel to, here. I try to make it polite in helping them to keep out of trouble. This notice is sent to provide you information about avoidable liabilities due to training deficiencies that have been observed in officers of the Jackson Police Department. The first is deficiency is a lack of understanding of the legal definition of vehicle and has been observed in officer's testimony in court. When questioned about how the officer determined that a particular automobile qualified as a vehicle according to the legal definition, the officer was unable to provide a sensible answer.
And then I give the, place where the, definition is, and and the definition here is vehicle and freight motor vehicle means every device in upon or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, accepting the devices moved by human power are used exclusively upon stationary rails. Well, it takes some analysis to go through. That word transport is just a, the verb form of transportation, and transportation in another place is declared to be a part of commerce. And I go on then. This is essentially same definition of vehicle found in your municipal code at section 15 dash one zero two. The practice and used by the police department and court professionals appear to just presume that anything found on a roadway is a vehicle and have the charging officer parrot the necessary technical terminology to make the case without the officer actually comprehending the testimony.
Anyone understanding this definition and continuing in the customary manner displays a moral slash ethical indifference to their acts. This definition has been used somewhere in the country for a century. Still displaying a lack of understanding gives an impression of this deficiency being intentional rather than oversight. Regardless of whom may have intentionally arranged the various circumstances that brought this about the situation appears to be currently propagated through the Tennessee Law Enforcement Training Academy. No allegation is made that the city has intentionally adopted this practice, but it can demonstrate an intention of correcting this deficiency.
Even though the deficiency is technical in nature, officers on the streets could easily comprehend the legislature's intended and stated meaning by being provided a few examples and counterexamples. Transportation using a vehicle being a being commercial as indicated by, Tennessee code annotated 55 dash 50 dash one zero two, and or and ordinary natural right travel using a nonvehicular device may be difficult to distinguish from a distance how officers however, officers could be taught simple procedures for evaluating where a very particular device slash car qualifies for the classification of vehicle.
Also, officers have been known
[01:47:26] Unknown:
Bruce, you got much more of this? You got much more of this? How many pages is it?
[01:47:31] Unknown:
I mean, the idea It's about a page and a half. Well, with the rest of it, it doesn't matter so much. It's just some Okay. Ticketers that you used to stay good. Letter. Alright. Well, you wrote a good letter there. It seems like your person got some,
[01:47:46] Unknown:
at least one could surmise that that could have an effect on it. I'm sure they don't hustle them out every day. But, you never did hear anything back directly from them on this submission. Right? Oh, no. I don't expect to.
[01:48:01] Unknown:
Another place that I have used before here in Tennessee was the, state auditor's office because they're using improper procedures and things along the way, and it's just to collect money. And, I did see an effect in in one case, but, you know, there they say on their website, they will not confirm or deny whether a investigation is going on. So you can't find out anything. You just send it in, and they do what they do. But I did see a change, through the DA's office, of one thing. So I think that was them only because the courts just, you know, they dodge and twist things around so that, you can't really, get much of anything.
[01:48:50] Unknown:
They're they're pretty good at it.
[01:48:52] Unknown:
But on this whole idea of giving out notice, I've got a whole campaign kinda planned out. You know, next is also bring up to the, state auditors again, but, aside from that, there is also a, few years ago, I heard a guy on a program, that he, you know, been involved in things for a long time, got beat up and and different things happening. He was in Washington state, I think he said, but then he had moved to Colorado, and people are being arrested for these traffic things. And somebody, he got on something about I know it was US Department of Transportation, who it was. He notified, but he told them about it that, you know and that wasn't something they're supposed to be doing.
And, apparently, they agreed, and they end up he didn't know quite what happened, but there was a special session of the legislature called to change things. And they got things changed, and that stopped. So, I'm planning on doing that kind of thing too because, registration of licensing of a car to be used as a vehicle is voluntary. Going to get a driver's license is voluntary, and then they turn around, and and impose it on people as if it were mandatory. Yep. And so bring that up. But be and because they've done that, and how many people are really not engaged in the transportation industry but having these conditions put on them by local police and others improperly, well, they're basically creating fraudulent records that they turn around and use through the federal government for funding.
So contact some of them about fraudulent records and explain this why they're fraudulent. Okay. And just whatever they're going to do. How about contacting Elon Musk and Doge? Oh, you know, that that's part of it too. I've contact the other things that I can find. We got a we got a request into, local congressman for for funding sources that rely on those records for determined amount of funding. And so I'll do there and let that go for a little bit and then, then contact Doge about this too. I've already looked up a number of people and addresses that are involved in it, so I can get it to somebody that might bring it forward.
[01:51:27] Unknown:
Right. Danny? There's already people floating the idea about state Doge agencies. Yeah. Who's the female there?
[01:51:34] Unknown:
It's me, Marco Roger. I wanted to share a code, with Danny. And if you can repeat the codes for me too, that he used because I wanna look those up and see what how exactly the information is defined on there. But the code remember I shared the code for California, transportation, it was vehicle code 260. They have two definitions, one for commercial vehicle and one for purse a passenger vehicle. And it, a is a commercial vehicle is a motor vehicle of a type required to be registered under this code, used or maintained for transportation of persons for higher compensation or profit or designed, used, or maintained primarily for the transportation of property.
And b says passenger vehicles and house cars that are not used for the transportation of persons for higher compensation, or profit are not commercial vehicles. So it goes it clearly states that on the vehicle code, and it might be the same for each state, but I'm sure it reads a little bit like this. Different. So uniform. Look into that. All the traffic stuff is uniform. So somewhere or another, they're all the same.
[01:52:54] Unknown:
Yeah. And and I think the more fundamental thing is the definition of vehicle, not something something vehicle, but vehicle itself because these things are defined in terms of being a vehicle, and that's what they don't ever prove. I mean, you know, certain size vehicle, could be a certain weight. So they got their weight. Well, yeah. But assuming that it's a vehicle, Why why is it a vehicle? So that's that's my approach is vehicle.
[01:53:23] Unknown:
Because I just Daniel was I was gonna ask you if you're on Telegram,
[01:53:28] Unknown:
so I can we can connect there or if Roger can connect us.
[01:53:33] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. I don't know. Dan, are you, on Merca's Telegram group?
[01:53:40] Unknown:
No. Not,
[01:53:41] Unknown:
not so far as to Do you have Telegram loaded? Pure do you have Telegram on your phone?
[01:53:47] Unknown:
No. Well, I don't have a phone that's up to that. Okay. Well, sorry, Marco.
[01:53:53] Unknown:
I I Danny, if you'll send me an email, I don't think I've got your email in the, in my database. But if you do, I'll send it to Marco. K.
[01:54:03] Unknown:
And quickly, can you stay on after the call
[01:54:06] Unknown:
after you leave, Roger? Because I know this isn't of your interest, but it is No. It's not. It's not at all. Yeah. You guys can after we get off the air, you can transfer on the Hey, Rich. I don't think there's any any foul there. Yes.
[01:54:21] Unknown:
This is Jack. Just wanna quick change the subject to what I was thinking about. I don't if I was you, I would not be so sure that there aren't people from the Rich Show listening to this show because sometimes I mean, it took me three months before I spoke up. Actually, I think Well, maybe. So Maybe. Don't beat yourself up.
[01:54:40] Unknown:
Well, I'm not. I've just taken in stride, man. As I said before the thing, I hated to get my expectations up because whenever I've done it in the past, j b, John b Wells, same thing. I think we got I know we got one guy out of the John b Wells broadcast.
[01:54:57] Unknown:
There's also a lot of times. You you also didn't really cover the radio show and how to get to, and it's even confusing for people that are veterans. So I guess so. So, anyway, well, I don't take it offensively,
[01:55:09] Unknown:
personally. I'll just take another step tomorrow.
[01:55:14] Unknown:
Thank you, Jack.
[01:55:16] Unknown:
Yes. Sketch.
[01:55:18] Unknown:
Yes. I I I, I I use, the snowball as a metaphor for this show. It as it rolls down the hill, it gathers more steam, and it gathers more people. But, I wanted to change the subject too, and that is I'm a terrapin sitting on the post right now, and I need to Ah, turtle. Post turtle. Yes. I'm a post turtle right now, and I have been researching a resident and inhabitant and other things. But it's gonna be a long slog to find out what you really wanna know, and I'll work on that. But I, I I wanna point out that we reside in heaven on earth, and the earth is round.
Right? And it doesn't have any lines drawn on it by man. And I think we're I I have the same problem. I jump between, you know, currency and money. You know? It's a hard one to stay on one side of the fence. So I I'm wondering, you know, when we say we live in this state that is made by man, is that the path we should take? I know this is the path that we have, but to say I live in Connecticut, which is man made, are we truly living in heaven on earth? I yield. I appreciate if you could help me get off.
[01:56:58] Unknown:
Well, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I think you better ask who put you up there first. While that is, all that's individual. All that's in sketch, there is no it everything's individual. So however you view these things, that's how they are.
[01:57:19] Unknown:
Well, I'm just wondering if you could doodle on it for a little bit and help me get off because I need some help.
[01:57:25] Unknown:
Well, I don't think I'm gonna be able to. So, I think you need to find out I think you need to I think you need to find out who put you up there. Okay? Right. Who who's next? Yeah. This is Chris in California. This is Larry? Yeah. Chris. Okay. I'm gonna go with Chris in California first, please.
[01:57:45] Unknown:
Thank you. A little a little while ago, we had a lady, who talked about her situation and she also talked about a pastor who walked in who was explaining why he couldn't even ask for tax relief. Do we know who that lady was and do we know who that Rochelle
[01:58:06] Unknown:
from Idaho.
[01:58:09] Unknown:
Right. Okay. And if she's listening, does she know who that pastor is?
[01:58:16] Unknown:
Yes, I'm listening and his name is Pastor Brian in Fernwood, Idaho.
[01:58:23] Unknown:
Pastor Brian in Fernwood. Do you know how to get in touch with him?
[01:58:30] Unknown:
I have his phone number, but not at my not right now I can get it. It's a church. You can reach the church. It's a regular church. I think it's Fernwood Bible Church. I'm sorry. I can get it look it up. Well
[01:58:49] Unknown:
oh, okay. Well, listen. We're you, you guys can hang around whenever we're over a couple of minutes and and Right. Stay in the house for Shell.
[01:59:02] Unknown:
Look, I'm glad you guys are the man that the man that was on the fence post. I think it helps to say the meets and bounds of the land you stand on because that puts you on God's land, in God's, territory. When you say I'm in Idaho and the county I live in and the meets and bounds, I'm gonna start putting that into my affidavits and ideal.
[01:59:25] Unknown:
Good enough. Thank you, Rochelle. Or, Chris, you wanted to say something? Hold on. Yes. By the
[01:59:31] Unknown:
way, by the way, as far as being on Ritz's program, you know, you're you're planting seed. It takes a while for seeds to sprout. I can appreciate that. About it or whatever. Yep. And, so don't don't beat yourself up. God's in charge anyway. And whatever Well is born from you know? You know? Before
[01:59:54] Unknown:
I think my comments are that I would have thought out of the three what I perceived to be a vast audience. We'd have gotten one hard charger out of that. It's somebody that immediately they're looking for answers. But we haven't so far. I'm not negating that they may come. I I understand this pretty well. It takes a while. Okay. Now there are two or three other people wanting to ask me something. Do it now. Larry. I have a quick one. Larry. Oh.
[02:00:20] Unknown:
Yeah, I wanna go back to Bory. He says, who do you go to? And the Bible says men are always to pray. That's the first thing you should do is go to the Lord and ask them that you'd have understanding and the help needed to be successful and maybe things won't work out, but that's just life. Most people like we discussed today, they are totally ignorant of this information and it's always going to be a fight and that leads me into Bruce's situation. He is going to go through all of this administrative process and everything he is doing and he is going to spend hours and this is no different than the driving issue.
Is that really worth $20 or $30 of tax money? Is all of that time that you're going to spend when you could be spending time with your family or helping somebody else get free from the federal system, is that all worth getting out of paying some sales tax for $20 or $30 and so something to think about. And then another thing is on our documents, we may want to start putting not you know how you've always suggested to the students to put not to be construed as a filing on your legal lawful notices for the commissioner of the IRS, while you could also put not to be construed as a tax protest and the credit for that goes to nostalgia.
[02:01:56] Unknown:
Okay. Nothing wrong with that. I think I don't I didn't we didn't hear any ending song, but I think we're probably about finished with the show. It's straight up eleven. Paul, you had a question?
[02:02:08] Unknown:
Maybe sometime back. Actually, I did. Yeah. I I turned the, turned the closing comments off, for the WBOU sign off, which, of course, didn't need to happen because they weren't here. Couple of questions, a couple of things that I wanna throw in, just give people some, things to think about, like when they're home alone and the TV is broken or whatever. First of all, the fourteenth amendment says all persons born or naturalized in The United States are citizens of The United States and the state in which they reside. Is that really us? Is that really anyone? Because I wasn't born in Washington, DC.
I I wasn't born in Washington, DC. I was born in one of the several states of The United States Of America. That's where I was born. Now I talking about sketch, I can actually completely be totally on board with the fact that I am a citizen that was born on God's creation. I don't care if somebody called it Minnesota after the fact. I was I am a child of God, and I am one of a creation of God that landed on God's creation, not something man created. Let's see what else. For Bory, what you do is you put you use the administrative process, and once the opposing party is in default, then you go to a judge and seek a declaratory judgment on the process, not on whether or not they they're, identifying you as a national and not a citizen.
Process, your administrative process was done correctly, therefore, solidifying your statements of being a national and not a citizen of The United States. Because that does then become truth in law that they recognize because it was one of their devils in address
[02:04:16] Unknown:
that rubber stamped it. Don't you get all that when you apply for a passport and get a passport back? It's the highest ID in the land. They don't object. They recognize it. They see, all this, like I said, when you go through this, the amazing thing is you go to a bureaucrat, and they do exactly what you want them to do because they're following the stuff. Right.
[02:04:42] Unknown:
There I can I can get that?
[02:04:44] Unknown:
There are no easy answers on spreading this message, folks. If there are, I damn sure I hadn't found them. K?
[02:04:53] Unknown:
If somebody was gonna say something, yes, something, go ahead. I I was just I was posing the question. I I think it's double minded to say I'm from Connecticut, and I live in heaven on earth. That's Okay. Well Yep. There is is there a is there a contradiction there? That's what I'm asking.
[02:05:13] Unknown:
It could be. Not to me. K. But this is, it was That was all bad. Okay. Anybody else got anything for me? This has been a kind of a trying program today. Anybody else got anything for me? Yeah. Lady Linda Louise. Lady Linda Louise.
[02:05:32] Unknown:
The way I see it sketches, we're ambassadors of the kingdom of heaven. So we are here for a purpose, to enlighten people about the savior. So when you're located on the land in Connecticut, my function is to be an ambassador from my heavenly father's kingdom. So that's that. As far as, Merica and the others that were talking about the administrative process, before you do the, default judgment, you have to notice these folks who have ignored your affidavit with a notice of default. Once you do the notice of default and you give them that last warning, then you can move forward to get your compensation with a default judgment.
I like what you said, Paul, about, getting a declar declaratory declaratory judgment from a judge about the administrative process being properly executed. That's an excellent idea. And I yield. Have a great day, Roger.
[02:06:44] Unknown:
I'm gonna have a good short weekend. I will see you on Monday, and, we should have John with us to hear his tales of traffic court. And, otherwise, you guys be safe. See you then. Love you. Bye.
[02:07:00] Unknown:
Thank you, Ryan.
[02:07:02] Unknown:
If Mark is still here, Mark, I have a 1996 Webster dictionary that is very expansive. And I looked up the word state and, it didn't say number five, but it did say number seven, a politically unified people occupying a definite territory semicolon nation. And then on number nine, it says in parentheses, sometimes CAP, which means capitalized. But anyway, that was in parentheses. Any of the body politics, which together make up a union as in The United States Of America. So then it says, see the table below. Now the table below, unlike your 1940 Webster's dictionary, my table says states of The United States.
It doesn't say United States Of America. And so thank you for sharing that information. That was very valuable to me, and I yield.
[02:08:03] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you. I'm off the post.
[02:08:06] Unknown:
It's, it's good good to know that because that's Well, there you go. Point of contention, with with our group about that. And Mark will look at title eight, 11 o one eight twenty Mark. And then 820
[02:08:27] Unknown:
you're really quiet.
[02:08:31] Unknown:
Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Sorry, I didn't have my microphone on.
[02:08:36] Unknown:
There you go. Alright, here we go. Sorry about that. I had taken my microphone off. But there was a point of contention in those definitions out of the Webster's Dictionary help clarify because we had people who were saying that Title eight USC eleven oh one paragraph a or line 21 was not didn't apply to a one of the states of The United States Of America. And so that was a point of contention and and it didn't help either that Cornell law doesn't have it right because when you click on the underline there's a link to the smallest state in that definition. When you click on that it's referring back to United States and not one of the several states. So it's nice to have Webster's University's dictionary back that up. And we looked at you know specifically the one that would have been used by Congress when they passed that immigration and naturalization act.
So, but you're very welcome and I'm glad that helped. And it should no really should no longer be a point of contention about those definitions and what they really mean, especially between the small s state and a large s state or capitalized S state.
[02:10:09] Unknown:
Excellent. Mark, it's just so great that I could go to this big fat dictionary and look up what you shared from 1940 and see that they did not eviscerate it in 1996. So whenever I dictionary of this magnitude, doggone it, lady Linda Louise is on it because I love books, and I yield.
[02:10:35] Unknown:
Good. Good. Hey. Is Joe still here? We kinda Joe Joe from Oklahoma tried to step in and say something. I'm sure it was probably related to that sales tax. Joe, if you're still online, can you can you share with what you had? I know we stepped all over him. Joe, if you're still there, he may have left. Joe in Oklahoma, are you there? Alright. We'll we'll we'll move on. I've I've gotta run. We've got, an open q and a session for our trust group, today at 4PM eastern, three PM central. So I gotta grab a bite to eat and then get ready for for that, class. So, anyway, good to be here. Hope everybody enjoys the rest of their weekend, and we'll talk to you next time. Bye bye. Thank you, Mark. You're welcome. Bye bye. Thank you, Mark. Thank you. Yeah. It appears that, Joe Lustig is here, but,
[02:11:33] Unknown:
Joe from Oklahoma is not. He was unmuted there for a while, then he muted, and then he was on hold, and then he disappeared. So Don't know where he went. May I? Yeah. You may. I'm gonna be taking the stream down in about twenty minutes,
[02:11:53] Unknown:
twenty five, something like that. Lady Linda, I wanted to ask you if you read the abatement process at the end of the book of the hundreds, and of course that has a default judgment in the process in there. Lady Linda?
[02:12:22] Unknown:
In the meantime, is Danny still here from Tennessee?
[02:12:34] Unknown:
Okay. How about BB Revoso from the weigh back machine? Is he here?
[02:12:42] Unknown:
Hey, Paul.
[02:12:46] Unknown:
Okay. This is Danny from Tennessee. I'm still here. Come on looking for me.
[02:12:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Real quick, Larry. Bruce, what state is he in with the, buying the phones?
[02:12:59] Unknown:
Missouri. He is in Missouri.
[02:13:04] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:13:06] Unknown:
You're welcome.
[02:13:07] Unknown:
Okay. Who is calling for Danny from Tennessee?
[02:13:10] Unknown:
It's Sherry from Arkansas.
[02:13:12] Unknown:
Oh, hey.
[02:13:14] Unknown:
Hey. Do you have contact information? I mean, we're practically neighbors as close as it comes from this call.
[02:13:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. My e email address is on the, where where it shows me being. The little headset with the speaker.
[02:13:36] Unknown:
Oh, well, hold on. Let me get to active speakers. Oh, okay. I'll email you, Danny. Okay. On Yahoo as well. Thank you so much for your valuable information.
[02:13:56] Unknown:
Well, go ahead. Go ahead.
[02:13:58] Unknown:
You know what? Somebody brought forward the amount of money the courts nationwide take in on a daily basis, a trillion dollars. This is the biggest way to take a big whack out of the feudal system,
[02:14:13] Unknown:
I deal. That was me, Sherry. I know, Julie.
[02:14:17] Unknown:
Sorry. I didn't mention your name. I apologize. So it was Julie, and it was like last week. And so, of course, they want to, you know, keep that that system going. So but that's something that everybody faces. So some some more than others.
[02:14:41] Unknown:
But that that sounds a little extreme. I've heard that it's, you know, more like the gross national product equivalent annually, but, you know, who knows how they factor what a stubbing your toe is in court. You know, if that's a million dollars, I guess, maybe. Right?
[02:15:05] Unknown:
Well, no one I mean, courts are there in America. That's a way sketch.
[02:15:09] Unknown:
Crap. That Bebe Rebozo crack was funnier than hell. I don't give a crap who you are. Thank you.
[02:15:15] Unknown:
Don't forget Spiro Agnew.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Not as funny as Bebe Rebozo.
[02:15:26] Unknown:
Love you. Did they bring both of them down?
[02:15:30] Unknown:
One of those things I'm always trying to do as a national is I'm trying to say, well, listen. You know, I'm sort of a in the way back machine. I'm a throwback to an earlier time when the state citizen was all there was, right? And whether it's in the law or what we call law or whether it's looking at the Bible, you really sort of need to know the context of the times and what were go what was going on back when they were state citizens. And, you know, earlier in the program, Mark was talking about, you know, appealing things. Well, prior to the Civil War, the only appeals that were really going on were between the states and the and the, Supreme Court.
It was the lever code that brought in the appeal process for the military justice, so called justice, that was going on in the South. And then the thirteenth and fourteenth amendment with their major clauses, one of them being due process, they changed the law into the equities place, And that's where we got the appeal process from. So if you're truly a national, are you supposed to be appealing?
[02:16:54] Unknown:
Exactly. And this is all about territorial jurisdiction. There's an excellent series on Rumble. I don't know if Paul is on that he could post it, but somebody else on the website. It's territorial jurisdiction is the channel and there's at least you have to scroll down for it, but there's at least 11 parts and they get into it. They take Eduardo Rivera's work and comment do a commentary on that as they read through that. And we're exact you know, that's our habeas corpus, really, because we're going to bring forth the body of law that was the original articles of confederation.
And, you know, just challenge the prosecutor right at the beginning is what this teaching was. Challenge them right, don't challenge the judge. Not to really, you know, challenge the court, challenge the prosecutor. You know, proof of claim upon ter territorial jurisdiction proven. Well, in in common in
[02:17:53] Unknown:
in common law, it's real simple. You need a damaged party or property and witnesses to back it up. If you don't have that, you're not even supposed to be in a controversy. And as a national, I think we can demand that.
[02:18:12] Unknown:
But they're gonna until you challenge their their their jurisdiction, they're gonna keep proceeding no matter what you're saying about the common law. That's why they always say, your cons don't mention the constitution in this court because even George Washington, he didn't take a proper oath. He took a oath to The United States.
[02:18:28] Unknown:
Isn't that what the affidavit is? That's the challenge to their jurisdiction.
[02:18:34] Unknown:
But a national still includes part of the territorial jurisdiction, I think. I could be wrong. I could be wrong on that. But I don't know if you we have to look back into that word into probably back into the define it in terms of the articles of confederation, I guess, and also where they're using it in the organic documents, I guess.
[02:18:59] Unknown:
You go back to the article of the confederation a lot and I can appreciate that. And I think you're correct and we're not clear enough as to who we are, where we are and what we are. And I think that should be included in our notices attached to our affidavits, how we expect to be treated to like our AG, our local prosecutor, and our sheriff. And I think sending out that, that two page documents on the case law would be a great thing to attach to it because they got these guys understand law. They think. Right? And if you put the laws in front of them and the cases that show the difference between the national and the citizen is what they need for their educational help to say that maybe we should let this guy alone, maybe he's got a claim.
But if we don't look at the his and Brost says that the articles of Confederation were discussed and incorporated in the constitution. So if that is true, you don't have much of an argument that they brought the articles of Confederation into and are part of the constitution. And there's Elliot's debates. It's a four or five volume list of all the states, having their conversation over ratification or not, and that those statements on the articles of confederation are in those arguments. So, you know, I'm just throwing it out there, not saying I'm right or wrong about anything here. I'm just looking at this in historical context where we used to be. I mean, there was no appeal system for the average guy. That was between the states in the controversy and then the Supreme Court would come in and deal with that. And that's really what they were set up for.
Now they decide how we are to run our lives at a local level and that I don't think was ever meant to be. In my notices, I'm going to give them a time to respond. And if they don't respond, then it becomes fact as I say it is. And I'll I that document, I'm gonna send so that I've got every signature. So I have chain of title, and I'm setting myself up so that I can use the abatement if they come against me, and I think it's wrong. Now if I've damaged somebody's property or whatever, you know, I think I think that's important as well and, you know, you gotta deal with that appropriately. But I would still want them to call me in by my Christian name and things like that. Otherwise, the record's not correct, and the process is wrong.
And, that's our common law.
[02:22:37] Unknown:
So are we in effect and I don't know what the definition of this word is, but are we in effect whistleblowers until we have enough people, are we individual whistleblowers right now?
[02:22:51] Unknown:
Well, according to Bros, what we are is that we are in law. Everybody else is at law. We are it. We are the law as nationals. We're that way back machine prior to, you know, the civil war where the states still work in control and the Fed and you got to sort of say that the Constitution was really working because they needed to destroy the system that was in place because they considered themselves getting nowhere. In fact, the South had pretty much power over the laws that were being passed and the North did not wipe. This was more about, being able to spend unlimited amounts of money in the North and the South being conservative and saying, hey, listen, we shouldn't be spending beyond our needs. That was really what the conflict came down to.
And then of course, the tariffs that they put on the North put on the South, was another part of it. But the slavery issue was a political thing in that Lincoln used in the emancipation, which is basically a lot of people call that a trust. And, a battlefield trust, under military control. You know? Anyway, without as nationals, without a harm party, and the state can't be that harmed party It's because it's not alive. You know? I think we can keep it pretty simple. And if and it the way I wanna do it is I wanna give them enough notice and enough explanation of what I am, who I am, and where I am, and how I need to be communicated with in the future and get them to decide whether they're gonna do that or not as my setup for the abatement process. Because I now I can mark these things in my abatement. You've been put on notice in such and such a date, such and such a time. And you're breaking your agreement with me because fiber is not responding, which is I'm assuming they're not going to respond if you have that clause in there, they're in agreement.
And I just think this might be our way of one staying out of court because really you only have two ways in court. You need to demur and fall on the court's mercy or you can abate it. And just showing up, you're giving them jurisdiction according to a lot of people. There is no special appearance. The best you could do is have your counselor at that point probably be Jesus Christ as, Randy Lee did to show that this jurisdiction is not theirs.
[02:26:17] Unknown:
I
[02:26:20] Unknown:
would like to if Linda could chime in on her, whether she read the, the abatement process in the book of the hundreds or not because that goes through the default judgment and everything. The steps that you need to take when they can't respond to you asking them about the problems with their procedure?
[02:27:05] Unknown:
Sorry, Samuel. This is for Dave. What would BB
[02:27:09] Unknown:
Rebozo do? Bunt.
[02:27:20] Unknown:
You keep making me laugh, Brent. I mean, sketch.
[02:27:27] Unknown:
Well, I'm glad I made you laugh today, Dave. Anything to ease the pain of our human condition.
[02:28:00] Unknown:
Yeah. Because even George Washington, they found the oral I guess, he took an oral oath, but he took an even way back then, he took a oral oath just to The United States, not The United States Of America. And so it'd be funny to bring in to a court the actual constitution say, let's go back just to there and say, oh, could you swear because, if you get the judge's oath, it just says, protect, the constitution of The United States. It doesn't say to serve and protect the constitution of The United States Of America. So they're they're swearing to they're covering their ass, and I don't know what it was, by the way, of all these big ass states. I'm in a big ass state, Idaho, but, I didn't understand what lady Linda Louise was talking about big ass states.
That was a joke, triple l.
[02:29:09] Unknown:
I like that. Triple l. That's that's so much quicker.
[02:29:18] Unknown:
Or the l q shorter. True. Or l cubed. I didn't say l cuber.
[02:29:44] Unknown:
Has anybody looked into whether their sheriff's department still do services for you, legal paperwork, and what they charge for?
[02:29:54] Unknown:
No. How do you ask that?
[02:29:58] Unknown:
Well, that's that's the method by which you serve in the, in the abatement process in the book of the hundreds. You don't file that at court. You serve it on the parties you're interested in, like the judge, the prosecutor, the officer. They get served directly, and they unless you have brothers and sisters that are Christian thinking like you are and you don't use them, two of those people to serve for you, their earlier option was the sheriff's department. You go in there, I guess, fill out a form according to what they're saying, and the sheriff serves it for you.
[02:30:37] Unknown:
Oh, okay. So kinda like a process of service in like, if you're if you were going to serve a party in a court, you could use the sheriff or whatever or, let's say, an uninterested, party to to serve a a government official. Like, I used the sheriff one time to to serve or actually, it was it was an independent process server to serve the state. But you're saying you don't have a case other than well, actually, there is is the case the ticket number or something like that that they gave you? What I don't understand what the case is on the abatement.
[02:31:11] Unknown:
You'd you'd be responding to them with the, abatement. You're gonna obate their document, but in doing that, you're using a constitutional officer or sheriff to do the service on the individuals you wanna respond to, not a filing in court.
[02:31:31] Unknown:
And not a direct mail to them using certified mail nor a response to a, notary public? I mean, is that the same thing or how does that differ than the sheriff would you say?
[02:31:45] Unknown:
I'm I'm thinking they're using a constitutional officer for a reason. And that's why they do it that way. They're very particular. If you read that whole process at the end of the book, and there's a difference, whether you're using a brother and a sister, Christian, that you're aligned with. If you don't have that, your backup position is the sheriff. But it's a different affidavit or it's a different form you fill out when you, do the abatement. It changes whether you're using I mean, they're very detailed in what they want you to do.
[02:32:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Because, technically, the sheriff is operating on many jurisdictions because he's probably receiving federal money. He's definitely, you know, in the territorial constitution. But yet, was the county sheriff around, at the time? I mean, is he one of the first officers when the county was, ceded to the state or, you know, created in the state? Oh, yeah. He comes from English Yeah. There'll be no
[02:33:09] Unknown:
The the the the type of Shire Reef. The Shire Reef comes from English common law.
[02:33:17] Unknown:
Maybe that's what they were trying trying to tell us and all those Clint Eastwood and
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other spaghetti spaghetti westerns. Now
[02:33:35] Unknown:
would we also have to say in our oh, I'll have to read what's in that. It's from the book of the hundreds is what you're saying. I haven't gotten to that process yet. Do they talk about that, the sheriff needs to provide evidence that any part of the county was ever ceded back to The United States? Just to make sure the land the land that you're on, you know, is the claim because it's always kind of the last claim on the land. Right? So you're saying, hey. I have evidence here this land was patented for, say, Idaho or my county or this place where my abode is, you know, is there any evidence that this particular meets and bounds was ceded back to The United States? I'm not talking about The United States Of America. I'm talking about United States because they're basically the homeownership association. Right? They're they're running all the property management for not only the the lands, but also the people that they call lands, our birth certificate person, if you will.
[02:34:42] Unknown:
Like I said, this is a backup position. They would prefer that you use, two brothers
[02:34:48] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:34:49] Unknown:
That are Christians Right. That do your service for you. Sheriff is the backup. I don't think it gets in I mean, the claims that you're making in your abatement are all about who you are and what you are, their process and the lack thereof. And
[02:35:08] Unknown:
if they can't
[02:35:10] Unknown:
show the process as being proper and you are who you say you are, not who they say you are, etcetera, they fail and they go into default. In fact, they're probably not gonna answer it, which is gonna put them in default. And then you go into default process, and you could take them according to them to small claims. And I I forget what they said. You're not that limited in small claims as we might think we are while you're in this process. So, anyway, more people need to read it so we could discuss it. I think it's the right thing to be on the board. You know?
[02:35:58] Unknown:
Mhmm. No. I did my I never heard back from them. You know, I did the sampler abatement, but, but, basically, I sent them the notice of default, and, I never heard back from them now. I haven't taken the tag onto the land that they're patrolling. So but that will be my next but I have to have some more ducks in a row as to if they do, you know, to to hand them the notice out the window, the guy that Delaware guy, you know, did. And, because and, basically, if they're operating on a military law and they've got some kind of a a warrant or whatever they feel they have on me or the first certificated person, I wanna be ready to answer them on the side of the road in in peace.
And but if they take the car and take the take the body, you know, then I need some other ducks in a row as well. So
[02:36:53] Unknown:
I I think that's very important when you when you said peace. You got to tell them, I think, all the time that you're coming in peace because all of this is done, in my opinion, under war powers. And we're really at at in martial rule. I mean, not martial law, but martial rule. But if you look at all the executive orders, if they pull if they they can pull those up at any day, and then you're definitely under martial law because they're gonna control absolutely every aspect of what you do daily.
[02:37:28] Unknown:
No doubt. And, and that's, I think, Jesus lost my train of thought. I think that's where oh, I think it was Joe Lustigot the other day. I don't know if you heard him talking about he had a I think you're wrong. He had done a he had submitted into the court a not only his birth certificate, but then also a treaty, which I'd love to see that document, what the treaty is. But, yeah, it kinda gets to, I mean, what Linda Louise was saying as well. You know, you could hey. This is where I'm coming from. But, Joe Joe actually did, like, a treaty like, the declaration of independence is only signed by one side, right? So that's why I don't understand how a treaty can be signed by one side, but call it a treaty, but thank you.
[02:38:20] Unknown:
Yes. If you go by what Stamper and a lot of these other people say is the fourteenth Amendment citizen is in rebellion against his nation, which is his state. And I think that's how they've applied the trading with the enemy act and can keep pulling up these war powers because they're still at war and still at war with us. So if you say that now that you're nationally, you're coming in peace, that might have some weight with them. They may not understand it, but I think it still should be done so that you're clearly telling them that you're coming in peace because I think if it goes far enough up the chain, it may well be understood.
[02:39:18] Unknown:
Concur. It's interesting because our treaties, eventually are they posted, by the secretary of state? Who who has your I mean, I know Congress is involved somehow, but, I mean, would you send a treaty up up the chain that far, do you think? That it would back up, you know, what you said with your original affidavit just so that, you know, they can clear up their administrative process? Because if you're not clear in their system, that's not our fault that they didn't they didn't correct the book and off book ledgers. You know? The t accounts. You know?
Well, I'm more worried about what I'm trying to do. Be riding around with a halo on your head. You know what I mean? It should be it should be like, sir, like Terry Lee. Sir, did my sheriff's you know, did my deputies treat you okay? That's how it should be for us too, you know, without having to do do everything for Terry Lee had to do.
[02:40:18] Unknown:
Right. Real quickly, Samuel Samuel. George, the solicitor general has, all authority and jurisdiction over matters regarding foreign countries and dealing with treaties
[02:40:37] Unknown:
with foreign countries. At the federal level. Right?
[02:40:40] Unknown:
Correct. That's what he was asking about.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I I don't know that we need to do that. Our our country is our state.
[02:40:50] Unknown:
Right. But the but the war act is coming out of the out of DC, you know, over the territory that they still claim is, you know, enemy belligerence or whatever. So I think it's it's both. You know, you could send it to your secretary of state as well and your county. I mean, it doesn't hurt, but, I think it has to go up to to the US SOS, maybe to the Vatican. Because maybe the Swiss maybe it is a Swiss guard that is the Secret Service. By the way, do you know what the Secret Service nicknames were for Biden and Harris? Dumb and dumber? Shits and giggles.
[02:41:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Do you really want to go there at the federal level and the international level? That's where they're taking us. You know, we're gonna be we are going from federal to the new world order. I say we sit in their states and we try to control what we can around us and in our our neighborhoods.
[02:41:56] Unknown:
Okay. The Archbishop of Boise. I'll send it to the Archbishop of Boise.
[02:42:04] Unknown:
I'm still I still wanna see if my baptismal, certificate is an upper and lowercase because the Catholic church gave me a birth certificate in all upper case. So I'll be curious to see what that looks like.
[02:42:21] Unknown:
Was there was your parents' names in upper case just aren't like my I'm sorry. My birth certificate long form, birth certificate, by the way, did not have footprints, 1962. I don't know if they were doing them back then. But, what year?
[02:42:41] Unknown:
Fifty five.
[02:42:43] Unknown:
Yeah. So I wonder if they sent me the short form, not the long form. But, it was your long form on legal paper or was it on a eight and a half by eleven?
[02:42:53] Unknown:
It's document size on heavy cardboardish paper, embossed in gold, red, big, beautiful document in my foot sensor on the back and all vital statistics, but the name is in all upper case.
[02:43:10] Unknown:
Mhmm. George. I got a certified copy of my birth record from vital statistics, and it's eight and a half by 14 or maybe it's 13 on paper, and it shows the original document is filled out by my mother certificate of live birth. So my name is printed, upper and lower case.
[02:43:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. My my parents didn't get that right. My dad filled out my mom's portion because she was probably busy with me.
[02:43:46] Unknown:
Right. But it doesn't say mother. I know. It says informant. So that could have been your dad. I yield.
[02:43:58] Unknown:
That's interesting. I'm gonna have to go back because mother's name. I think it says
[02:44:03] Unknown:
mother's name as well, but I I I'd have to look. You could be right. That is no. It does. It says,
[02:44:09] Unknown:
it asked for the father's and the mother's name. But when you go further down, where you think that it doesn't say signature, it just says informant, which is the person that filled out that document.
[02:44:23] Unknown:
Yeah. K. And, Sherry, is it made by ten glossy suitable for framing framing?
[02:44:32] Unknown:
You know, I'm gonna measure it as, You said it was 14. Right? You said it was legal I'm thinking 14, but it could be 13, which hold on a minute, and I'll measure.
[02:44:59] Unknown:
On the birth certificate, this is Rochelle, a former I'm a retired nurse. The doctor always wanted to catch the baby coming in out of the birth canal. So sometimes the nurse would keep the baby from being born until the doctor could catch it. It's very important that the father of the family actually holds the baby as that baby's coming out of the birth canal. And I yield.
[02:45:30] Unknown:
It's actually eight and a half by 13.5. Interesting. I just learned about that size of paper and it's on. It's on paper. Anyway, I yield.
[02:45:57] Unknown:
Could you repeat that nurse catch or, doctor catching or dad catching or I I was in the wind?
[02:46:07] Unknown:
Yes. Rochelle speaking. In the hospitals when I worked as a nurse, and it's probably the same way now, the doctor always wants to get there just in time to deliver the baby. The nurse prepares everything and, okay, doctor, come in, the baby's about to be delivered, and he catches it. And at one time, the doctor couldn't get there in time and I observed this and the nurse was holding the baby back and the doctor got there just in time and she pushed and he literally caught the baby like a football player would catch a pass. But the important thing is the father should be the one delivering the child even in the hospital and some doctors will allow you to do that. But there must be a monetary, kickback when the the doctor gets the first grab of the baby.
[02:47:05] Unknown:
Rochelle, may I speak to that? That's because there's only two signatures on that birth record, and it's signed by the doctor and the registrar of deeds, the county registrar. It doesn't say deeds, I don't think, but that's who a registrar are is or what they are, which forms a contract.
[02:47:32] Unknown:
That's my whole point of the What if the nurse what if the nurse frequently, the nurse delivered the baby if the doctor couldn't get there? Maybe she would actually have her signature, I wonder. Probably the doctor, but I didn't notice those things then. You know? But Mhmm.
[02:47:49] Unknown:
You didn't think you had to.
[02:47:51] Unknown:
I will. Some fathers ask to deliver their baby when it's in the hospital, and the doctor allows it. But when you said inform it on the birth certificate, that's what made me think, oh, anyway, I yield this and I need to get a copy of the hundreds and look at this abatement process too. Very interesting conversation.
[02:48:28] Unknown:
Technically, it's called the non statutory abatement, and it's outside of the court, and it's an old common law action.
[02:48:40] Unknown:
Yes, Samuel. I was gonna say that that's how I describe it. It's, the first, due process in common law notice and a right to be heard. I yield.
[02:48:54] Unknown:
And what they they used to use it for was they would go back and forth between the two parties to make sure that there was a problem, what the problem was, what the remedy for the problem was. So this could have gone back and forth like six times, seven times, eight times, How many times? I mean, it it has each step had a different name. And so that by the time they got to the judge, the judge is basically has all the information in front of them and just makes a final decision. That's it. So it saved the court a lot of time. Today's legal today's legal system says the reason they've done away with all of that is to save the court time.
[02:49:46] Unknown:
Well, I witnessed this in probate. The attorneys were haggling it out. First time I'd seen my attorney do any significant amount of work that day, and it was going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And what the judge is there for to do is only to, consider any any items still in controversy. And so that is your abatement process. What's in controversy? Can we work this out? And then Yep. And I yield. But you you say it beautifully. And, if you look at it, abatement as a common law procedure, it it really changes your perception of that instead of abatement.
You know, you're you're giving them the right to be heard. Due process.
[02:50:42] Unknown:
Again, Sherry, if you look up the, the current definition of an abatement, it is not what we're talking about. It is in a way, but it it's actually a common law action going back and forth with a lot of details and and and working out that the parties have actually got a problem, that that problem is identified, there's a remedy, what that remedy should be and really what the judge is saying that this looks sane and understandable and that there's a remedy, etcetera. And of course, there was a time when our courts of law, common law and equity were separated.
So after the common law requirement were met, then it had the possibility of going to equity to be dealt with more detail than the common law allowed because the common law was very cut and dried. You're either pregnant or you're not pregnant. There was nothing in between, right? Well, you're twenty weeks, right, or whatever, right? So that's when equity came in. What they decided to do is say we don't speed this whole process up and roll it into both and then they rolled out common law and you know how things go. They just slowly deteriorated this process to the point where you don't have it anymore at all. And this is a good faith attempt as a national, which by the way when you read the book of the hundreds you have to understand that these guys I don't believe were privy to the national status.
So in my opinion, that gives us even more power in using that non statutory abatement than they ever had provided that we do it within what they considered the rules that are important so that it can't be dismissed.
[02:53:06] Unknown:
May I give an example?
[02:53:09] Unknown:
Sure.
[02:53:13] Unknown:
That I'm using now in my own little neighborhood is a neighbor has blocked the right of way to go through the road that we have, a private road, we all maintain it. And one neighbor who moved in decided he was going to block it and he didn't want anybody coming across his land. And that has been for like over thirty years of an open way and it's in our deeds. Anyway, none of the neighbors wanted to deal with it and I don't own property anymore. I caretake property for my friend. But at any rate, at one time I did own the neighbor's property. I did have a farm next door. Okay. The whole thing is I have decided that it's a threat to me privately, personally not to have a way out the back way because fire season is coming.
And recently we had a huge washout on a road and that brought the subject to the front. And so I wrote a letter to Mr. Byrne to please make sure the road is open and I'm coming in a neighborly way to give you notice and I printed that N O T I C E in bold print that the road needs to be reopened as it has been. And if you have already opened it up, thank you. In other words, coming in peace and I'm going to use that phrase in all things I write from now on. Anyway, I wrote that to all the neighbors and I said this is myself coming to Mr. Byrne to self govern myself and to bring forth my issues that I'm concerned that if something happened, if there's a fire and I can't get out, his property will be at risk as well as mine and I'm holding him accountable.
If I die because I can't get out, it's basically his fault for not allowing an exit. So I've sent that to all the neighbors and I hand wrote it to make it look more just more friendly, I guess. And I gave all my neighbors a copy and I let them know on a private little note that I'm doing this for myself. What you decide to do as far as your rights is your business. And so I did not hear from the man by the end of the week as I requested. Instead I heard from his wife, I guess it's his wife and on the phone and I asked for a written statement from her and she said she'd never give me that and that she would never open the road. So now I'm going through the process of my next step is to give a typewritten more formal letter to Mr. Byrne and ask him and remind him that he did not respond to me in writing.
And now this is a formal request for him to respond in writing and some lady, perhaps his wife or sister by the name his last name, stated that she will never open it and never respond in writing. But the letter that I sent to you on such and such a date was to you, Mr. Byrne. And please respond to this in a neighborly way or whatever by such and such a date as to when you're going to open up the road as lawfully and legally you are expected to, something like that. So that's my next step. And the way I approached it was, this is him harming me, not what the whole neighborhood wants to get together and do. It's just what he's done to me and that my estate would hold him responsible if something happened to me because the road was closed.
So that's just kind of what I'm doing as an example of just man to man and the sheriff giving notice will be the last thing I do after I heard what you said because he's not gonna respond, I don't think, ever. And I don't and whether or not he opens up the road, I don't know. But if I die in a fire, my family will own everything, his 20 acres, I think. Anyway, I just that's it. Any comments? Am I doing the right common statement process? Yes.
[02:58:22] Unknown:
Common law, how we deal with our neighbors. And, yes, that's beautifully done. That's, how our almighty, our Abba would have us deal with each
[02:58:36] Unknown:
other. Yes, Sherry. And that's the main point I was trying to make is I truly come in peace to my neighbors and it's reflected by my actions. And I would do that with any like the highway patrol even. Like the first thing I would do when a highway patrol comes to my door or my car window, I will establish the contract is coming from me like how may I help you? Maybe there is something I can help you with. It's like there's a major wreck up the road and who knows, but that idea of coming in peace to your neighbor as you would want to be treated. Yes. I really think that's gotten me out of a lot of trouble.
[02:59:21] Unknown:
When I mentioned the Sheriff Service that was specifically for the abatement process. But in your letter to this gentleman, I would ask him the questions that you're asking yourself. Is this safe? Are you concerned about whether there's a fire and whether we can get out? Have you thought this through? Could you please help me help me understand why you would refuse to us access, especially in an emergency? I mean, here in my state, a locked gate during an emergency is destroyed by, say, fire or whatever because and they and and they they would like you, if you do have a Lockheed, to register with them, let them know what the code is or whatever. It has a keypad or a padlock that they have the code so they don't have to destroy it, that they can go through it in an emergency.
So I would assume that if you show him that there's a lot by him answering his own questions that he's really reliable at some point.
[03:00:47] Unknown:
Very good advice. And that is well, I do know that that's why he's locking it. Well, one and maybe he's hiding something too because he's kind of like a kind of a person, a person, volatile, uncommunicative with his neighbors, very whatever. But there was an incident on his portion of the road that an elderly man caused damage and there was a fight and the sheriff had to come and it was a man with dementia and it was anyway that's all been taken care of and the elderly man has died now. And so that was one of the reasons he wanted the road closed. But the main reason is there are two other reasons. We have riffraff, I guess you might call it hot rodders wanting to go up and down the road and we've individually handled it, I have and other neighbors, like, hey, we maintain a road, if you're going to drive fast and spew the gravel, you might as well you better start having to help us fix it and pay for it. And that has been enough in the past, But this man decided he would just close it off and make sure that he had what he needed, etcetera.
And the problem is, there is another neighbor, my neighbor, who wants to run the show and he says I kind of like the road closed like that. We have less people running up and down our road. So and actually that neighbor is I have a love hate relationship with, but I treat we get along just fine and everything is good. So that's where I came up with the idea. Well, this is my issue and what anybody else decides to do then they can do. And I like very much your suggestion to say, well, what would you what are your needs? Why would do you want to have the why do you want the road closed? Are you worried about fire exit? If the fire could come from his side and he couldn't get out our side.
So that's a real good have him answer those questions. That will be in my next letter. Very good advice. And I always recommend a remedy when there's a problem and I did suggest that we could have a gate and we could all have pay for it. It could be an automated gate so you didn't have to stop every time. It would probably cost us each about $300. Of course, they're not going to go for that, but at least it's a remedy or a gate that's unlocked because lazy people don't want to stop and open the gate and get back in their car. So I think he has nefarious reasons for wanting to keep the gate closed, so no one can even look at what he's doing on his property. But the main issue is I don't want my life at risk and so
[03:03:52] Unknown:
I think Some people opt for individual codes so that if there is a problem that code is entered and it's dated. So that let's say there's a theft on his property. He's going to know who went through that gate in the time period of the theft, let's say. Some people feel better with that because even if it's somebody you gave the code, okay, now you're still responsible because they used your code and it, you know.
[03:04:23] Unknown:
Oh, very good. Yes. And there are gates that handle that very well. And my neighbor that I have a love hate relationship with, he has had things stolen. And,
[03:04:36] Unknown:
So he's got an issue too, you know.
[03:04:38] Unknown:
Yes. And he and I really do respect that. And we've had poaching back here. And so there are issues. So
[03:04:48] Unknown:
I'll be up above. I've experienced both. I have a small corner of my property that wasn't needed for access and the guy who sold it to me, he says, you know, we really missed this when we set this up. Would you sign a release to let people pass so that it's so that it's, open to everybody? And I said, yeah, no problem. Right? Oh, you did? Oh. Yeah. And and then we have another gate that goes to access to the river and a beach and a really nice area. Well, everybody and their uncle has known about that for a hundred years. Yes. So when it became private property, we made sure that only people with a key that had deeded access could get there.
So two different situations and worked out a deal, but a lot of people who shouldn't have a key also have keys.
[03:05:58] Unknown:
Yes. But the lock with the time on it would be give that party responsibility who let them through. Oh, you let them so and so through. But that gets to be a monitoring problem too.
[03:06:15] Unknown:
Yeah. It's you know, a lot of it's common sense. And and then what we really didn't like is some people were going down there in summer and having campfires on the beach. Well, it's straight uphill all the way to our property. If there's a fire started down there, that was the true concern. And that's when we all got together as neighbors and says, okay. The the locks being changed. If you don't have a deed, you don't have a key. And then it started over. Of course, that ages.
[03:06:53] Unknown:
If you don't have a deed, you don't have the access, free access. This
[03:07:01] Unknown:
is where a keypad with the person's code and the date would be really nice to have because if there's a problem, you'd at least have evidence of who to go speak to if a fire down there on that beach burned down somebody's property. You'd have an idea of who was down there the day it started, it was what I'm saying. Right? Whereas if it's a key, you still don't really know.
[03:07:32] Unknown:
Right. Then you're depending on the digital correctness. A lot of it has to be your neighbor helping neighbor and that's a remedy for providing that kind of a menu is to set up neighborhood nets where you practice speaking to each other on walkie talkies once a week and I've done that in our neighborhood and some people are on, not very many people want to be on it. But we practice every week and report to a ham operator and I've actually gotten the commissioners to let me try to put together, I'm calling it a land board because it's all about the land, where in every district of our county, there are neighborhood nets that report to the local ham that's near them and that local ham then reports to the sheriff on any time there's an emergency. In our situation, it's fire. We have had big fires around here in Idaho.
So, but the problem is nobody really wants to get on board very much. It's a very slow process. It's a process of neighbors talking to each other that I'm trying to set up and I'm about ready to give up on it actually because I haven't had enough response over six months to make it worth my time. But I've tried that and hopefully by my actions I show I'm coming in peace. And then we'll just see what happens. And, you know, if I die because of a fire, it's obviously his fault. But the problem is we all need each other and if we don't have a neighborly, some sort of communications with each other in a real emergency, which I expect shall come because there's too much evil that has taken place for punishment not to be meted out from, our creator.
There is just too much evil. None of it's being being prosecuted. So therefore, I'm expecting lots of trouble in the future. We don't have it set up to protect ourselves. I don't know what we'll do.
[03:10:03] Unknown:
That radio program is something that they started in a county that I'm in in one south of us. And the one south of us, it started at about two weeks before a really major fire that burned up hundreds of thousands of acres. And in in the period before the fire, the sheriff was against it because it was interfering, he thought, with his officers and radio traffic and this and that. And the the sheriff after he saw what the community did on its own because of the radio contact and the relationships that they had established with each other stopped his opposition and actually helped it.
[03:10:49] Unknown:
What state was this in?
[03:10:51] Unknown:
California.
[03:10:54] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[03:10:56] Unknown:
Yeah, the proof is in the pudding. Well, they were lucky that they were able to help each other.
[03:11:05] Unknown:
Yeah. They they created firebreaks with bulldozers and tractors and all this stuff and saved tremendous amounts of people's property by responding to that fire and stopping it themselves versus whatever would happen if the state could get to it and the state was overwhelmed by the size of
[03:11:30] Unknown:
it? Yes. I think that the key is the very small cheap line of sight walkie talkies because every grandma can use those and a kid can use them. And when you get into the ham operators and the licensure, which I don't I passed the technicians, but I don't want to get my license. And I haven't figured out how to I'm not high enough up on the national paperwork trail to be able to state with authority that I do not need a license to operate as I am. I'm not really willing to go that far and be have all hell break come down on me, you
[03:12:16] Unknown:
know, because Get yourself a CB radio. The CB doesn't require, licensing and, a home base can go a pretty long way.
[03:12:29] Unknown:
Yeah. And I do have that, but I haven't set it up yet.
[03:12:33] Unknown:
Well, set it up. Right. Yep. Just on a 12 volt battery with a with a trickle charger.
[03:12:39] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:12:40] Unknown:
But I still But it's basically what these local systems are. They're basic radios, line of sight. You can get to your neighbor, and then there's there's people with properties with more elevation where repeaters are, etcetera. Yes. It's all set up just to be your local community and being able to alert each other on things that are required.
[03:13:05] Unknown:
And the whole thing is to get in the habit of reporting to one party and then that party, like, I am the net, captain for my, family radio system. And then I'm the ham operator.
[03:13:19] Unknown:
They have a weekly check-in so that they know everything is working and everything's part of it. Yes. You know? Yes. And it's and we've actually we really enjoyed
[03:13:30] Unknown:
doing it. We're we're pretty good at it now. We try to use good language and we give a word of the day which we use proverbs. Whoever starts their own net makes it you could read something out of a dictionary if you weren't a Christian, I guess. But Mhmm. We we and the LDS have a big system. They frequently read out of their, holy scriptures where whoever sets it up to make up the rules of how you're gonna communicate, but it's basic calms. But the problem that I have is that I can't get enough people to realize how important it is because so far, no one's well, when fire season comes, maybe they will.
But if the system is set up and well, the long term thing is I want each district to have one voice to be able to speak to the sheriff because in the past, the sheriff was the last to know on a lot of these things. And all the emergency comms were going through the newspaper, through the forest service, and the sheriff himself had to come out with his patrol car and look and see where the smoke was. I mean, it was so and now this idea is to have the sheriff be the the man that gets the last word. But to set that up, I mean, just a little old lady doing it. I mean, they are listening to me, but there's not enough response.
Anyway, it's kind of it's just something I'm doing. But the point is they gave me an opportunity to come to the commissioners as a land board and I thought that was the most amazing opportunity of it would be a it would be, a chance to actually be used as a jury. Each district, if you had 12 people representing that and then their leaders that they elected, say three leaders coming, okay, we're representing the 12 men and women, oh, just 12 men in each district and here's our report sheriff right there. He has a jury to go to if he really needs to decide something and I hope everything breaks down, our electoral system because that's one thing I tell the commissioners, no matter what, we have to maintain our our ability to hold court.
We can't lose our court. And when I speak court, I'm talking about Commonwealth Court and I recognize that they're Admiralty Court, But they know what I'm talking about when I say court because I brought things forward. But we have in our county a very unusual situation where we have two rivers that connect at a confluence here in St. Mary's and we're the highest navigable river in The United States that go clear to the Pacific Ocean. And on our courthouse, we have a bronze surveyor's document that states where I think it's 32 feet or 35 feet above sea level and our court is on the Second Floor at above the sea level.
And literally we're the highest court in The United States. I like that. But anyway that's I'm thinking really big thoughts, but for some reason Boise, Idaho always cattails to our county. I think our county is a lot more important than we realize and maybe that's one of the reasons. We have dams between here and the Pacific Ocean now, but the original courthouse when it was built, there were no dams between the courthouse and the Pacific Ocean. So I'm see, I get way into the weeds here anyway.
[03:18:01] Unknown:
Well, I think they leave don't they leave some kind of remedy in every you know, jurisdiction some little tiny jurisdiction somewhere, they leave some kind of remedy.
[03:18:12] Unknown:
For what?
[03:18:13] Unknown:
I think for everything, you know. I mean, like, you you so you may be right, you know. Like, Minnesota doesn't have the rule two twenty or something. It's the only state that has that rule. You're talking about, like, the c level thing, you know, which I think it's probably part of their masonic, practices, you know, that they have to leave, you know, count back to the bible, you know, when you fall into temptation or there's always a way out kind of thing.
[03:18:39] Unknown:
Well, that's kind of my basic, you know, common law doctrine is if you're under God there is always a remedy. He always provides a remedy for every ill there is including physical and everything else. So I just go on the hope of that and the promise of that. So, yes, you're right that if it's lawful there should always be a remedy. You can't you can cover it up, but at the beginning somewhere there is a remedy. Yes, I agree to that. That's a philosophy actually of common sense and under God's law. But meanwhile, we have to get to live and I don't know who brought it up, but you can spend a lot of time and money on a $30 tax that you didn't want to pay at Walmart or wherever. And is that really important in the scheme of things?
I think I have started keeping all my receipts. So and just for fun, I'm going to figure out and find out who you send all those receipts to at the end of the year and let them know that you're a national and please refund me my money. I mean, it might they might send a check and they might not. Right. I could use it for I could use it for a community garden or for a community project.
[03:20:10] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. Because you're in Idaho. I think it's what? Like, the sales tax is 6% here?
[03:20:17] Unknown:
I don't even know. But I started counting it up, and it's shocking how much I spend how much I pay in tax for my food and my everything.
[03:20:25] Unknown:
Right. And then we could put in maybe an inflation an inflation tax refund as well. Say, okay. According to Oh. No. I don't know. I'm just thinking about inflation as a tax. It's the biggest tax probably. So if you, what was a man's suit in gold at the time of the formation of, say, the articles confederation? And then what is that saying in gold now? If that's equal or about equal, what are they taking? Well, that would take a lot of What are they taking? Rebate, you know?
[03:21:04] Unknown:
That would take a lot of brainpower from the IRS to get this little note with all my receipts, and I don't know if they mind to handle it. But there might be some kind of a simple formula to send them. Mhmm. Yeah. Just a flat out if I had to receive the money, just all the money that I shouldn't have paid because I because I am a national and I'm living self governing as a national. And Right. I could give it back to this charity to somebody if I wanted or if I had been harmed enough by it that I couldn't buy groceries, maybe I buy a beef or some I don't know. Well, yeah. Sure. That I needed it.
[03:21:44] Unknown:
Well, not necessarily because if they've if they've, hypothecated a trust using your live birth, then they're responsible for settling accounts. You're returning back the interest that you had in any of this money or whatever and, you know, send a copy to the treasury, then let them do the accounting. That's what the IRS is for. Right? Yeah. Let them do the accounting. They might have they might have a head tax, like, on you that says, you know, this lady, this man, these live people, they get back a certain amount. I'm not talking about, like, a return filing a return to get something back. I'm saying they might send back, okay, this person's birth certificate of trust or whatever they've created with this whole, Babylonic system, you know, they get back this much money because they're a national. And that just that's like your simplification.
You know? Alright. Here's your here's your stipend. You know? You're you're, you're a member of the order or your birth certificate of name is a member of this Catholic order or whatever it is. And Mhmm. You know, by that, everything's paid for. All your food's paid for. All your, you know, you know, like a priest. Right? You're a you're a priest of Melchizedek or whatever. And, here you go. Oh. You know, here's your housing stipend. Here's your auto stipend. Here's your food stipend. Here's your health stipend. I don't know. I'm just it's kinda outside the box, but is it really that far from the reality that they're operating in with their Jesuitical system?
[03:23:14] Unknown:
Well, it's basically money they've stolen from me because I'm self governing. I need it. And they have stolen my gold. Labor.
[03:23:24] Unknown:
Yeah. They took the gold. Yeah. And now they're saying, yeah, now they're steeping the your labor.
[03:23:30] Unknown:
So I would just be asking for it to be returned.
[03:23:34] Unknown:
Right. Right. You're you're you're turning back the the interest to them. You know, you've, like, right now, you're operating, like, as the trustee of the birth certificate trust or whatever. And I do the trustee. No. You're not let them be the trustee. But it's back to that remedy. Until we tell them that, they still
[03:23:52] Unknown:
they still have the claim on it. You know, and then whoever I might need to give them notice ahead of time that now I'm keeping track of the taxes that are being, levied on me on a daily basis, basically, and that I'm going to be asking for them to be returned. But I think maybe the businesses will be held accountable, the stores. And they'd have to go through all that itty bitty store and make that store pay for this. And because it's actually like the the store, the grocery store that's paying. If I if they don't give me the money back, the store has to pay the big government, I think.
So I do not see how the state would refund me. They would have to go back and tell the store you have to pay at store because
[03:24:45] Unknown:
you know So that's what's interesting too is, would you need to have like a treasury direct account or I guess they when they like the IRS does, they just send you a treasury check anyway, right?
[03:25:00] Unknown:
So
[03:25:01] Unknown:
Well, I have gotten a treasury check to buy wood and I felt very sketchy about it. I'm very low income. I'm eligible, and, man, I needed it. You know? But, anyway, I hated get asking for it because I'm really not self governing if I asking the state to give me something. But it's out there as a grant for all the people in our county. And I hope I don't get it again because I didn't feel good comfortable about it. I'm able to get food stamps and everything, but I don't claim them.
[03:25:43] Unknown:
Right. What's interesting about the wood part and I don't know if this you get back to that territorial jurisdiction we were talking about, the feds own how much of the land of Idaho, you can go onto the Fed land and you can pick felled lumber like cleaning the fields, right? That's all available, it's free. Right. So it's kind of you're doing the same thing, obviously, you don't have That's kind of what I thought. And I wonder if the food stamps is a kind of a gleaning. They set up the physical model gleaning. I would
[03:26:17] Unknown:
say yes, but because you have to sign affidavits that you're accepting it and that you don't have and like maybe next month I might win a car or something and I might be over the I'll be over. I wouldn't be eligible. I mean, I'm signing that I'm always eligible and always poor. I might not I'm trying not to be poor. I'd love to be wealthy. I'm gonna come up with some way to make a large amount of money. But the food bank, I do get food from the food bank. I finally have kind of resolved to do that off and on when I really need it, which lately I think I I really do need it because the prices are so high at the store.
But anyway, I I actually, the food stamps, that's a real that's like accepting a document from somebody. Every month you get them, and I'm not willing to go there. They call them in the weeds again?
[03:27:23] Unknown:
Well, I'm not gonna say, do they call them food stamps? I wonder, like, going back to the stamp act. Just They have some
[03:27:31] Unknown:
Yes, right.
[03:27:33] Unknown:
Why do they call them stamps, right?
[03:27:36] Unknown:
Well, because they used to issue them and you could tell who was buying food stamps. They were actually like little pieces of paper that you got. But now you just have a card and it looks the same as everybody else's Visa card and you just push it through. But that's just too much documenting of everything I buy and stuff. I didn't wanna do it. I don't feel right about it.
[03:28:01] Unknown:
What county are you in again?
[03:28:04] Unknown:
What?
[03:28:05] Unknown:
What county are you in? I'm
[03:28:07] Unknown:
in Benowa County. Oh, okay. In Idaho, it's in the Panhandle.
[03:28:12] Unknown:
Yeah, I'm in Latav.
[03:28:15] Unknown:
You're in Latoff? Who are you?
[03:28:19] Unknown:
I'm George. What's your name?
[03:28:20] Unknown:
George and George. Yeah.
[03:28:23] Unknown:
Wow. I'd love to meet you. I'm in I'm in Saint Mary's. No. Okay. Good town. Yes. I wanted to go to a couple of other things. They have, but, you know, I kind of limit myself to here.
[03:28:39] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:28:40] Unknown:
They had, So you're George and I'm Rochelle and you're in Latham. Wouldn't it be wonderful if about 10 or 12 of us that live in the Panhandle could actually have coffee together someday? Wouldn't that be the most amazing? There's a couple of people Amazing enlightening experience.
[03:29:00] Unknown:
Right. There's a couple of other freedom minded people that I've met, through Tactical Civics.
[03:29:06] Unknown:
I don't know if you ever heard of that. Yes. I'm into that too. Yes. In fact, he has a good program. He just started with number one that I was on, I forget if it's anyway, he just started a whole new series. I kind of go off and on him because he's kind of non Christian in a way. I mean, I haven't figured out what his whole thing is. But Brian,
[03:29:28] Unknown:
talk to you. Yeah. There's a Wednesday call that we're going through, like, the Constitution now. And, so if you ever want to get on that Oh, he's doing that on Wednesday. I just found that on Tim Tim, do you know Tim? Tim from Boise? No.
[03:29:46] Unknown:
Okay. No. But Avis County has no building permits. They're famous for that. Oh, yeah? I didn't know that. That's because we had a building permit thing that the local people were fighting here. And that's why we said why don't we do, like, Adacana? They have no building permits. I wonder how that's worked out. Probably pretty good.
[03:30:07] Unknown:
May I? Yeah. So his name Hey, Rochelle.
[03:30:10] Unknown:
May I? Yes. Go ahead, Sketch. No. Go ahead, Dave.
[03:30:15] Unknown:
Well, I just wanted to say I was moving to Firewood. We got a storm coming in for tomorrow. It's 80 70 degrees here right now, but, I don't know if this was covered. Rochelle, you do not need a license in an emergency for that, for that ham radio. And you can listen anytime you want. And guess what? If you talk and ask some questions, nobody's coming after you. Okay? Unless you got some a real a holes on the other end of the line. And, you know, they're they're just, you know, they they could turn you in, but usually, they don't. They wanna teach. You know? That's very true. Listen for free, and you do not need a license in an emergency. So I would set up the CB and the ham so you can monitor them both. If you need to talk, talk on the CB. And then if in emergency, you could talk on the ham. I yield. Thanks, Sketch. I agree. And that's very true.
[03:31:12] Unknown:
Not a problem. And I just wanted to say I love Idahoans. I'm an Oregonian. I have family, no longer in Idaho, but with some of my family's from Idaho. We are Idaho, and we love Idahoans. And, I just wanted to say sorry. I wanna interrupt. Brent, there's a PM for you if you want it. I yield. Thank you, fellow Idahoans.
[03:31:41] Unknown:
Oh, that's nice. We don't want to go anywhere else. We love our own state. But that's good to love your state because that's where you operate off of the land that you stand on.
[03:31:53] Unknown:
Something for all of us to be familiar with I think is the doctrine of necessity. I mean our government uses it all the time. So letting us giving us the benefit of it, what's good for the gouache is good for the gander as they say. So there's a lot of things where never heard of it. Yeah. Look it up. It's and look up an older version of it, you know, not something current, but and and living, you know, trying if you live out in the country, which is probably the place you should be for your own protection, because being in the cities is going to get more and more dangerous, you could strategically pick even what you purchased in the country because I did it to be private and I know that there's a real hurdle with the same kind of thinking to get communication between your neighbors.
Now I don't really try to promote that that a whole lot because I'm one of them. I really sort of want to be left alone and that's really what you're up against. So when you're communicating with your neighbor, you you sort of want to tell them, hey, listen. I understand you wanting to be private and everything else and, you know, go through that and say you absolutely have my word that I'd never say anything other than this issue that we're talking about is to having access through your gate especially in an emergency where there could be harm to people in case there's a fire etcetera. Right? Mhmm. But the other thing strategically is when you I figured in an emergency, I'll be able to talk to my neighbors because everybody's gonna want to protect themselves and have their own they'll have their own little community if you pick your place strategically.
What I did, and of course, nobody's going to be able to find this situation very often, but in the foothills of California, which get pretty rugged and windy and hilly, there's no flat spots. I live on a road that's 14 miles long that's in between two rivers. So there's only one inlet and one outlet or one outlet and one inlet. So on those 14 miles there's lots of people with lots of different agriculture, with lots of different skills. Probably, there's probably already deputies in the sheriff's department that live on that road, etcetera, etcetera.
So in an emergency, you can work it out with the sheriff. Say, hey. Deputize one or two of us to take access at both ends of that road so that only people pass that have authorization. And you can take us off your list and you can patrol other areas that are going to be more of a problem for you. And it I'm thinking when when push comes to shove, that's when your community can really come together and start working together. But if you've got a place where that even helps that happen like I'm describing and if you look for that when you purchase property in the country, that would be beneficial to your search.
[03:35:26] Unknown:
Samuel, would one of those rivers be Yuba or American River?
[03:35:31] Unknown:
No. Okay. These rivers navigable? These rivers are the only undammed rivers left in California.
[03:35:41] Unknown:
What are they?
[03:35:43] Unknown:
I'm not gonna say.
[03:35:45] Unknown:
Okay.
[03:35:47] Unknown:
But my question, are they navigable? Because navigable rivers are roads
[03:35:52] Unknown:
from Well, I'll tell you what, it it depends on the season. The river goes it it goes from a few feet wide in some places to a few hundred feet wide.
[03:36:02] Unknown:
So it's portable. The canoe could be one of your needs for transportation.
[03:36:07] Unknown:
There's no dams on it. And, you know, the the feed from them and is like almost every river is out of the Sierras.
[03:36:18] Unknown:
So you're south at Grass River, Grass Valley?
[03:36:23] Unknown:
I'm not saying.
[03:36:25] Unknown:
Oh, Sam, you all come on. Any private questions? How about this one? I'm giving you an illustration
[03:36:31] Unknown:
on on things to look for so that your your community is sort of forced to come together,
[03:36:38] Unknown:
you know? Oh, I'm not moving there, Samuel. I just you've told us before, I think, but, is it South Of The Yuba River?
[03:36:48] Unknown:
He just won't give up, will he? Are you an FBI agent? No. You really wanna know his address too?
[03:36:57] Unknown:
No. Don't don't need that. I'm not moving down there. So it's not a problem.
[03:37:03] Unknown:
I just I'm cure curious I guess, carry out It may not even it may not even be a river for what I'm talking about. It could be mountain obstacles. It, you know, the terrain. Let's say, just say terrain. If you're gonna fight a battle, you wanna pick your terrain. Right? Yes. And you want big dogs.
[03:37:22] Unknown:
I have one last question, Samuel. I presume that there are big granite boulders along that 14 mile road. Right?
[03:37:32] Unknown:
There's all kinds of stuff be because it's it's gold country. We got lots of granite, lots of quartz, lots of slate.
[03:37:41] Unknown:
So you could I think I know where he's talking about, and I think that that bridge over the one of the rivers actually isn't famous for being haunted. I don't know. I'm just there's
[03:37:55] Unknown:
a river like that. Feasibly blocked it. Sorry. Sorry.
[03:38:02] Unknown:
Gentlemen, thank you for your good advice. I'm going to sign off. And I hope some of us Idahoans can have coffee one of these soon spring weekends. Okay. Goodbye.
[03:38:19] Unknown:
Blair Blair. Samuel, so you could feasibly block that road with some of those boulders at 14 Mile Road. Right?
[03:38:28] Unknown:
Oh, I think what there'd be there's too many people on this road to do something like that. What you'd be doing is putting maybe a security gate that can be opened easily and closed easily and have it manned during an emergency where you're starting to produce your own food as a community and things like that. You don't want to get raided and you don't want the city people running out of there with their hair on fire trying to take what you got, etcetera. Right. So you get the community to to do a twenty four hour guard is what I'm thinking. I gotcha.
[03:39:04] Unknown:
I gotcha. But if it gets that bad, you could block it with a boulder.
[03:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. But then you can't get it in and out yourself. Understood.
[03:39:13] Unknown:
You'd have to park your car outside the boulders. I understand. I yield.
[03:39:18] Unknown:
I do own a Unimog, though. So
[03:39:28] Unknown:
Well, I've always wanted to buy one of those two wheeled, mini bikes, and they're not they're they're all wheel drive mini bikes, with floating tires. I forget the name of them. I've always wanted one of those, but they're very slow and very heavy.
[03:39:53] Unknown:
Yeah. I've got a 1957 Unimog with a generator, not an alternator. There's nothing in the world that's gonna interrupt the, functioning of that vehicle. There are no electronics.
[03:40:08] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:40:09] Unknown:
And it's got 20 inches rims. It sits about eight inches off the off the ground, and it can crawl over boulders.
[03:40:19] Unknown:
Now Unimog, is that Russian or that Swiss or what's that, German?
[03:40:25] Unknown:
Mercedes Benz.
[03:40:27] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. How are you?
[03:40:32] Unknown:
Yeah. My, my original title is in German. All the instruments on it are in German.
[03:40:41] Unknown:
And one last question. Have you did you order tried to order the Protectotherm from the guy, and did he reply at all or not?
[03:40:51] Unknown:
Well, if there's no you said the other day there's no price.
[03:40:56] Unknown:
No. I know. But did you say I think he requested some, but he didn't say he could supply it. Right? No sample. No samples, he said. Yeah. He's too busy. He wants he wants you to buy something. And he gave me he gave
[03:41:10] Unknown:
me a price list, but you're saying it's still not on the, website, then I don't know how you'd order it. I haven't looked. I'm sorry.
[03:41:17] Unknown:
Right. No no problem. So you have to email them, get the price list, and say, I want this for this price. I see. Okay. Bye. Thank you very much, man. Yeah. Yeah. But you haven't you didn't order any? Because he won't give you a sample.
[03:41:35] Unknown:
No. And that's sort of strange. A lot of any any company normally puts out samples, but, you know Yeah. For some reason, they're not I don't think they're even probably shipping any of it yet. So
[03:41:49] Unknown:
Well,
[03:41:50] Unknown:
they have a picture of their little warehouse with stuff to ship. I'm going, what's up with that?
[03:41:57] Unknown:
Yeah. What are they not shipping?
[03:42:02] Unknown:
A product called ProtectoTherm, which is a paint that you can put on a house to stop the ignition.
[03:42:09] Unknown:
Really?
[03:42:10] Unknown:
Yeah. The videos they have of Dave are really impressive. One of the videos they show is they so that you know what it is, they use one of those, fold down USPS mailer boxes, right, with the with the real thin cardboard? Yeah. And they put they put the Protectotherm on one of them, and one of them they don't. And then they take a torch and they hit it. And, like, in ten seconds, of course, the one without the Protectotherm is getting going good on fire. And then they do the other one, and it takes minutes for it to burn through a hole, and then it doesn't even really spread.
[03:42:54] Unknown:
So it does burn through, though.
[03:42:57] Unknown:
Well, yeah. You got a a torch there that's over a thousand degrees. Right? And it's direct on the, on the cardboard. So you would expect it, if it's real, to do some damage with a Yeah. A few mils of of a covering on it. It it's actually very impressive.
[03:43:18] Unknown:
I heard somewhere, must have been on here, that somebody did that test with a coin in their hand or something, and they they put the torch on their hand after they painted their hand or something.
[03:43:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's one of them. And and also a chicken egg, which I I have a hard time believing. But, you know. So Interesting. That's why I wanted to get get some myself, you know. In this case, I'm in Missouri, so I could actually put on something and do my own test. Right? Right. Yep. Before I go hog wild and paint the whole place. Right? Right. And then And they have a clear they have a clear product for your shingles so that, you know, you're not turning your shingles black or whatever color it is naturally. And they have a foam kind of a slurry also.
Not quite sure what that is, but you do have for out in the country, they do have foam systems where if you know you're gonna have a fire go through, one of usually the big thing that catches the house on fire are the wooden porches.
[03:44:29] Unknown:
Okay.
[03:44:30] Unknown:
And balconies and whatever you wanna call them, you know. Alright. Because they're attached to the house, they create a lot of heat and a lot of fire. That breaks the windows. Once the windows are broken, flames get in inside the place. Sockets too. Right? Yeah.
[03:44:50] Unknown:
Yeah. They're usually wood covered in either aluminum or mostly it's vinyl.
[03:44:57] Unknown:
Yeah. Part of fire protection here in upgrading is to turn this in those into stainless steel mesh fence.
[03:45:09] Unknown:
So they're open?
[03:45:11] Unknown:
Well, yeah. Yeah. That's what they're for is to let air through. Right? Yeah. But,
[03:45:17] Unknown:
I mean, that would let the fire right in, wouldn't it?
[03:45:20] Unknown:
Well, that's why they put a steel mesh so that you don't get any large amber in or get it burnt through quickly. So there's just so much you can do. I mean, when you see things like nails melted out of wood siding or or or fencing where some of these fires go through, what's really going on?
[03:45:49] Unknown:
Right. I mean Yeah. That don't happen naturally.
[03:45:53] Unknown:
If that's true, then there's a whole another problem to deal with that we don't even understand. Right?
[03:46:01] Unknown:
Well, and they don't call them they don't call them brush fires or but they call them wildfires now. Right? That's kind of a new term, isn't it?
[03:46:11] Unknown:
Well, yeah. And usually in a fire, you you had a chimney standing and a foundation and, you know, something Something. And charred timber. Now the concrete has turned to powder and the rebar is not there.
[03:46:24] Unknown:
Right.
[03:46:26] Unknown:
I mean, something's I mean, as soon as I saw nine eleven and read Judy book Judy Wood's book, I said, well, our government's got something that we should be afraid of.
[03:46:42] Unknown:
During the Paradise or after the Paradise Fire, there were a few people going that this fire might have nano bots, you know, technology. That's what their supposition was that somehow there's some nano technology that's involved with this fire. And I have one question. Do you have a smart meter on your property?
[03:47:11] Unknown:
I'm off grid.
[03:47:13] Unknown:
Well, that's even better. Yep. Well, read the book.
[03:47:18] Unknown:
Elana Freeland's book, Harp Chemtrails in the Full Spectrum Domination of Planet Earth. Yep. Yep.
[03:47:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Kurz will, said that we'll at this mobile congress, World Congress place, he's the lead engineer at Google, he said our phone is going to be the size of a white blood cell and it's going to be in you, you don't need one anymore by 02/1930 and by then it's AI is also going to be intelligent to the point where it's conscious. Oh, Ray is one of the tribe and
[03:48:05] Unknown:
he wrote a book. AI, you mean AI actual idiots?
[03:48:11] Unknown:
In 1999, he wrote a book, The Age of the Spiritual Machine. And when he did that, one of the people asked him, he says, well, do you believe in God? And he says, not yet. Not yet. Right.
[03:48:27] Unknown:
What a piece of work.
[03:48:29] Unknown:
I can't believe nobody will take that creep out. Dave, he rolled back his sleeve, and there was a nodule about how old the size of of a 50¢ piece sitting on his inner forearm. And he said, that's my new pancreas.
[03:48:46] Unknown:
Wow.
[03:48:48] Unknown:
That's his feeding port.
[03:48:52] Unknown:
What a freak, man. Well, the term, Brave New World, definitely comes to mind.
[03:48:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Kurzweilenstein.
[03:49:08] Unknown:
And I think I've mentioned this before. I looked up what the smallest semiconductor is now and it's smaller than one thousandth cube. I just used that because that's about the thinnest human hair. Something we can relate to it. It's actually much smaller than that what they printed on. And when they printed it, they it didn't turn out completely about they said two thirds of it was damaged, yet the third that was functioning still handled 160,000 bits of information. That's just it's incredible. Yep. Yep. That's where we're going. And it's just like That's alien. It's like, wow.
[03:49:54] Unknown:
It's either satanic or alien because only Satan or aliens can live in a on a planet in an atmosphere of which they are creating. I'll agree with that. People can't.
[03:50:08] Unknown:
I agree, Dave.
[03:50:10] Unknown:
And, you know, my my old buddy, the, 88 year old, tool and die guy, dairy farmer, organic, you know, pretty sharp old man, He he got kicked out of his son's Baptist church. His son was the preacher. And they kicked Gary out because they they said he was a heretic because he said that, Eve was beguiled by the serpent, meaning raped, and she spawned, Cain. And Cain was the first Jew, and and then Cain slew his brother Abel and ran off to the land of Nod and created this whole demonic, universe. And they actually they actually said he was a heretic, and they they, excommunicated him out of his son's church.
Incredible. But I'll tell you, man. He, he he that dude was pretty sharp. And then they killed him a couple years ago, this fast cancer of the stomach. And that dude was into radionics, and he taught all around the world. They they flew him to England. England brought him to there to teach the farmers about radionics. And and they all talked you know, all these farmers talked about rotating crops. And he's like, well, do any of you have orchards? And they all you know, a bunch of them raised their hand. He said, do you rotate your fruit trees? Why why would you rotate your crops? You don't have to. You just you just, you know, condition the soil every year. And then you rest the soil every seventh year. And you don't you don't you don't rotate your crops. He grew the same thing on his on his 80 acres, you know, every year.
And he never rotated anything. And he had incredible yields. And, you know, the healthiest, you know, food on the planet, the healthiest cattle, milking cows, I should say, dairy cows. 80 head, he he milked him and his wife every day, twice a day, and he worked about a 20 miles away down in, you know, suburbs of Detroit where he went to Henry Ford School to learn to be a tool and die man, and and he worked for GM. And they all worked together. You know, all the the big three worked together back then. And, yep. I miss that guy. He was pretty sharp. He's the one who turned me on to Mark Quarantine, Liberty Tree Radio.
He was on he was at the foot the foot of the, Ruby Ridge, protesting the FBI not to kill Randy Weaver and his family. That's the guy that that went to the his county for the, capper, accounts, and they gave them to him. And after he turned them back in, they told him if he ever said anything else about it again, they would kill him. And he was a badass. He he was in the military. He'll strike one outfit. You know, he was a trained killer. And, yep. He never said anything about it again to them, but he sure taught a lot of people about it. Anyway, I yield.
Thanks for letting me babble.
[03:54:20] Unknown:
Well, back to fires. What's the thing with the blue not being affected, the color blue? And has anyone of you geniuses, seen the oh, they've got this thing where sound actually puts out fire, a low bass sound, high frequency. Supposedly, it it, disperses the oxygen in the air. Ergo, the fire doesn't burn without it.
[03:54:57] Unknown:
Is that high frequency or low frequency?
[03:55:02] Unknown:
Yeah. It's a bass. I think it's, between eight and eleven hertz, and it's a low bass. And this one thing I was on was claiming that, you know, at these rock concerts, people standing right in front of these big speakers, that's one of the reasons why some of them pass out is due to lack of oxygen, you know, if they're playing at base.
[03:55:44] Unknown:
It's sort of hard to believe about the blue just like it is nails melting out of wood fences. But if you go back to nineeleven and you look at what Judy Wood observed in those Twin Towers and they're not the only thing that came down, everything that had that address came down. There's like eight buildings. And she basically says there's no seismic event for those for the tonnage of those buildings hitting the ground. It returned to dust before they got to the ground. So whatever that was, you know, it seems to be appearing in all of this new fire stuff that we have here around the country. Talk about a place that should be investigated and what went on there. You know, I mean, and there's that wasn't just the only phenomenon that she observed, but these cars blocks away, blocks melting out of them and you know, all the hardware on the cars liquefying, you know, it's and they're not even in the fire.
[03:57:09] Unknown:
Yeah. There's a lot they're not telling us about frequency, vibration, and energy. That's that's for sure. They definitely keep us away from that technology.
[03:57:23] Unknown:
And the only thing you could do is connect it to Hutchinson at the time, the it's called the Hutchinson effect. And he was using basically like Tesla technology with high voltage coils and vibration and stuff like that to bend metal and liquefy things and stuff.
[03:57:44] Unknown:
Do y'all remember the twin towers going down?
[03:57:48] Unknown:
That's what we're talking about.
[03:57:51] Unknown:
Oh, y'all are? Okay. I didn't know. But the car has got one side melted down, the tires melted down and everything.
[03:58:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Bruce, we were talking about Judy Judy's Woods observations
[03:58:06] Unknown:
Yes. On that day. She's from Clemson University. Right. I worked at Clemson University.
[03:58:14] Unknown:
And she got buried. She lost her job. She
[03:58:18] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But she did. She did what she had to do, you know, preaching the truth. And I was there, and they fired they fired me. I got my job back. I was the only personnel person, in the whole universe people that had been in Clemson got fired. They didn't try to get the job back. I did. I went all the way through the process and got my job back. I'm the only one in the history of Cliffs University to get a job back. Wow. I was out producing and the ratings on our process and the still photography section was 98.5 satisfactory rate.
Television production was getting 47% satisfaction, and we were in the same under the same, you know, management, people. And that didn't happen until I got on board and they hired me. I was there for three years, and then we had already jumped up that high on the rating from the from the people that the, on campus or wherever we went. We would always get high level appreciations. And I was doing different things that they were doing before. And, anyway, they just didn't want to have the still photography section,
[03:59:53] Unknown:
I
[03:59:56] Unknown:
guess, rating over the television production area. They invested all that money in television production and they were only getting 47 percent satisfactory rate. In two cases, they did one evaluation springtime. You know, they turned around in wintertime and got the same results, you know, for the whole winter. We got a higher rate on the last one than we did the first one, but they didn't. They got the same rate, and they just I don't know. They just didn't want me around, you know, doing that kind of work. And I took it all the way. They had to fire me to get my job back, and I went through the whole process.
And I had to go to Columbia, South Carolina down there, and, they restored my my position, and I showed up. Anyway, I stayed there for for three three months to see what they were gonna do. They put me in a closet. That was my my office.
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