In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles welcomes Joe Lustica to discuss his legal journey and experiences with the judicial system. Joe shares his story of being pulled over by a local cop in New Jersey, leading to a series of legal challenges. He explains how he navigated the complexities of the legal system, including dealing with multiple charges and the process of trademarking his name to protect his rights. Joe's determination and research into the foundational laws of his state played a crucial role in his defense. The episode delves into the importance of understanding one's rights, the power of affidavits, and the potential of using legal tools like the writ of quo warranto to challenge governmental authority. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of Joe's case for others facing similar legal battles and the significance of standing up for one's rights in the face of systemic challenges.
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Alright. So would we, we're trying and even working overtime on the weekends as it is the Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch here. The February 1st February 1st, I got a lot of this is that short month with sweetie's day in it and all that kind of stuff. You better not forget that day if you got a significant other. And, Roger Sales, your host here. And, it's the as I said, the Saturday edition. We're on an abbreviated probably, severely abbreviated list of, partners this morning, but, that'll just make Paul's job a little easier. So, Paul, if you would go over the the, folks that are with us on the weekend, or is there 1 or 2 or not many. Everybody drops off and goes about their business.
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Hang on. There we go. Okay. Now okay. Got the buttons pushed. We're on, Eurofolks and, Global Voice Radio. That's it. Okay. Soon. Go to the matrixstocks.com.
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Man, we're good. Back to the core. Back to the core. Okay. Well, today, we, I had a message. I was looking through emails, and there was a message from Joe on there. I I don't think it was I think I'd neglected it for a couple of days. And he said, would you like for me to come on and tell a story about the, what happened to me? And I that was Thursday or something. I said, well, why don't you come on, like, Saturday? It'll give us because these are this show is tailor made for that kind of presentation. We don't get the reach. We might normally we it'll be on tape, but Saturday Thursday are the 2 days that are just a little bit different. I don't know why from my standpoint here as a host.
And, so, anyway, I I hope Joe made it today. Joe, did you make it, buddy? Because I know that that's kinda what we decided on and give you a a a nice, long, cushiony, time to go over all the details that were involved in your fiasco. Are you with us?
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Yeah. I'm here.
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There he is. Hey, Joe. How you doing?
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Good. Good. How's it going today?
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It's going good on my end, I think, at this point. No major malfunctions. So do you wanna just launch off? I mean, Joe is as I've said, you know, and Kaye joined us earlier this week. She heard us talking about Connecticut. We had somebody from Connecticut on, and she popped in. And, she had heard basically about your accomplishments in this situation, but not all the details. So, anyway, I think she's probably listening today. Maybe Paul too. And, excuse me. Yikes. I wish I could get rid of that. So today's the perfect day. For the listeners that are relatively new. I wanna use Joe as an example here because Kaye and Paul, the aforementioned, I've told the story a couple of times. They were early, early listeners just like John Kacera right in that same time frame, as a matter of fact.
And Kaye, they'd been out in California, and Kaye had, they gotten that foreclosure 202,008 deal. And Kaye tried to go in and defend it herself in court and got slam dunked, and they lost the house. And then she stumbled on us. And right after that, their daughter had the first grandchild. And so they just decided to cut loose California, smart move a long time ago, and, moved to Connecticut so they could help with the grandchild. And as the grandchild got a little bit older, he wanted to, learn to play the guitar, and Kaye reached out and met this guy, Joe. And Yep. They start talking, and Joe's here with us and has become a, a just a a a rich resource for us because, Joe, you're one of the better researchers I've ever come across, in all honesty. I tip my hat to you. Your determination, your bulldoggedness, and the light of everything they were throwing at you, and all that stuff. It's just a real pleasure to have you as one of our, core members, really, and, as a friend and a and a person that associates with us here in our message. So we're tickled to death to have you, and I continue to thank, Kaye.
And for the audience, this is just one of those, you never know who you're talking to really or who they know. Okay? And here Kaye starts running her mouth about all this stuff. It resonates with Joe. He comes over and checks us out, and, wow, here we are a couple of years later. Tickled to death to have you, Joe.
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Thank you, Roger. And I I mean, really, I appreciate what you've done for everybody and the years and effort that you put into everything, you know, putting this information out there and, you know, looking at what other people share when they talk about this kind of stuff, they it just kinda all over the place, very inconsistent, and they can't back up their information. And and you were the the first guy I ever came across where your information was backed by court decisions, by the by the laws, everything. So it it really inspired me to be like, hey. Look. You know, if this guy can talk about this stuff and have this stuff backed up with something solid, that's that's that is the way we should be behaving, you know, in this in this, field of life. So
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Well, you you took to it like a duck to water, buddy. Yeah. So I'm glad to put that confidence and power and and and insight and foresight into your hands because that's all this information is just so powerful. And for the newer people that might be listening, you just don't have any idea what you're dealing with and how powerful it is. And you might not for a while, and that's why I try to shortcut the time frame it takes to uptake and internalize this information for you. Because normally, it just takes a while. You're you're changing everything in your life that, you know, most everything you ever been told was a lie. You're getting all that straightened out.
Again, excuse me. It's a life changing experience. K? So, Joe, I'll shut up, and let's just let you, launch off, and you've got plenty of time. You're not gonna be interrupted, and you can tell every grizzly little detail.
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If I could.
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Sure.
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Joe, I sent you a private message. I sent you an invite link, for Zoom if you wanna use that because I can prioritize you and Raj over everything else if you're both in Zoom. But if you don't have access to that, it's fine. Just continue in FCC. You're a panelist. So Okay. Hold on. I'm gonna Whatever works for you. Whatever whatever you have access to. Do you think it would,
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improve his fidelity, Paul, a bit? It definitely would. In that case, Joe, because I I think this is real important. If you do you have that Zoom link?
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I think he might have actually dropped out already. I think he might be exercising it right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
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Yes. He is definitely exercising his Zoom options. Yeah. You know, honestly, I've been in this a long time, 30 30 plus years, 30 approaching 34 or 5 or something. I've lost count. But, I don't know of anybody personally that has ever achieved what Joe's achieved here quite frankly. Really. Okay. And that's the import and why I wanted to bring him on so all y'all could hear this. And my number of you have joined since, this is this is old news. It started a couple of years ago, and Joe pops on every now and then. But he's been such a a wonderful contributor to what we do here for, the w a w a b e n. I I would have never known what that was. I never heard of it before.
Going to the Department of Transportation and registering your car as a private conveyance. All those things are the things that Joe brought us. Okay? And now on top of that, he took his research prowess and his understanding and his guts. His guts, quite frankly. It takes balls to do what Joe's done here and, decided to fight the, speak truth to power. K? They say you can't, beat city hall. Well, that's just not correct. Joe, did you make it back with us? Yes. I did. Down here on, Oh, far better. Far better.
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Okay. So, alright. So alright. So as everyone knows, where if you don't know, my car has a private, Department of Transportation exemption number, okay, which it seems as though most of the country, the the police force around the country tend to recognize it because most people don't have any issues with this number. And it seems to be only the small little towns where the police are very unfamiliar with this, this DOT thing because all 50 states have adopted the Department of Transportation Regulations. What they've done is there is an exemption for people not in a commercial capacity.
Okay. So all 50 states actually have that adopted into their administrative code within their their legal setup. So it's kind of interesting. The police aren't trained on this stuff, in those small little towns, but it seems like the state troopers and the highway patrol do know what this is, so they tend to leave you alone. So I got stopped because local cop, small town cop, didn't didn't recognize my plate, so he pulled me over. And, he, you know, he got, he was very giddy with me when he stopped me. He goes, oh, I need to see your driver's license. Give it to me now. And I'm like, well, hold on a second here. I just would like to let you know before we get anything started, I'm not gonna waive my 4th, 5th, or 6th amendment right, and I would like to have counsel present before I can do have any questions, be asking any questions. And he goes, no. No. No. We're not doing any of that stuff. So they pulled me out of the car and arrested me. And their well, their reason for arresting me was failure to identify during a motor vehicle stop. So New Jersey has a statute that says they can arrest someone if they don't identify.
Now this is the first thing. So they I I already told them I wanna have counsel present before I answer any questions. Right? And that's that's under Miranda rights. You know, that's part of your Miranda rights. They're supposed to actually read that to you during any kind of custodial, arrest. Right? If they stop and pull you over, they're supposed to read you your Miranda
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rights on on the fact if you're being detained. So this must be done. Joe, I'm gonna interrupt you. Aren't when they pull you over, aren't you technically arrested? Yeah. Aren't they arresting you?
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Yes. Because, yes, any kind of form of detainment is considered an arrest. Okay. And they have to read you your rights up on that in that moment. So, and they never do, really. So they didn't actually read me my rights until until about maybe less than 10 minutes before they let me go. Right? They read me my rights. So so what happened was when when they pulled me out of the car, I had a pocket knife in my pocket, And, they took that from me. How long?
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I somebody said last time, would would it go from your one palm part of your palm to the other on a diagonal?
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No. It didn't make it.
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Okay. So it's a little clean your fingernails knife.
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Yeah. It's like a thing I used to, like, open up boxes and cut cut, like, stuff with, you know, like, those little, zip ties and stuff like that. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So I was given about 10 motor vehicle charges. No license, no registration, no insurance. Then they kinda compounded those charges again. They gave me, like, a weird charge for not telling the DMV of my new address, which I'm like, well, that's if I don't wanna tell them, I don't have to give them any information if I don't want to. So that I mean, that ticket right there is a violation of your 4th Amendment right. So, you know, it's like a ridiculous charge.
And then they give me 5 felony charges, for weapons possession, possession of a deadly weapon, intent to harm persons or property with a deadly weapon, using a deadly weapon, to prevent a police investigation, which, by the way, I never pulled it out. Like, I never it's not like I pulled it out and I threatened them. You know, I'm, I'm not the kind of guy to do something like that. You know, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight, and those guys are walking around with guns. Right. But they they put it in like I was like using the knife to stop their investigation. That's what they said. So I got a couple of charges for that too.
Then they gave me a counterfeiting, felony charge for my license plate. So I was counterfeiting license plates.
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Well, needless to say, 2 things. Hey. This guy had a penis erectus for you. Had you had previous, path crossings with him on anything?
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Not with this guy. No. Uh-huh. Okay. And that,
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what was the other thing I was gonna say? That the this is the reason that a lot of people hate cops. Go ahead.
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So they bring me down to the station, and, you know So now you are under arrest? Oh, yeah. Yep. So I'm I'm in handcuffs. I get down to the station. They, you know, they they time they chain me up to a bench. I'm sitting there. They're kinda going through everything that was in my pocket. That's how they get my name from the passport, and then they, they pull up all my DMV information. What they do is they use the name and the birth date, and then they plug that into their DMV, database, and it spits out the DMV information. So that's what they did to get my DMV information, like the expired driver's license and stuff.
So, they they go and take my fingerprints. They they tell me to sign it. Now this is kinda funny. What I did was I signed it. I wrote non assumption on the, signature page for the fingerprints, and non assumption means that I don't promise to perform on the contract. They didn't really look at it because I just kinda wrote it in, you know, in script and cursive, so they couldn't I don't think those guys can read cursive or something. So they just kinda let it go. You know? Otherwise, I think they would give me a hard time. Because I don't know what they're doing with the fingerprints other than identifying me, so I figured if they're trying to get me into some kind of contract with the with the fingerprints, I might as well just tell them I'm not gonna perform on the contract.
Then they, then the guy comes over, and he pulls up a piece of paper. He goes, I have to let you know your rights. Your rights are, you know, and then he reads me the the Miranda rights. And then, he brings the piece of paper over to me. He goes, okay. Sign here. And I start reading it, and it says that I would be waiving all of those rights. So I go, oh, I'm not gonna sign this. He goes, oh, well, you don't have to sign. It just makes things easier for us. I said, well, I'm not gonna sign it. He's like, why not? I said, it's you just read me all these rights. He was like, yeah. I was like, okay. So now I'm aware of these rights, and you're telling me to waive them?
And he's like, well, I mean, we're just trying we're just trying to get this done so that way we can make things easier for us. So I said, alright. Well, I'm not gonna sign it. He goes, okay. That's fine. And then, my by the way, my cell phone was recording the whole time he had the cell phone by over by his desk. So he's like after he does that, he walks over to, like, one of the guys in training, and he whispers to him something and then walks out. Later on, I listened back to the recording, and he goes, don't talk to this guy. He invoked his rights. That's what he said to him, which is kind of ironic because I invoked my rights from the from the first, like, 5 seconds of our encounter, and only until after I refused to sign that paperwork did he acknowledge my rights.
But that's so when I was trying to talk to the other guy, he just ignored me. And I found out later on that that was why. That's quite interesting, isn't it?
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Yeah. Oh, you're makes it easier for us. Well, I'm sorry, sir. I'm not into making life easier for you.
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No. It didn't make my life any easier, did he? No kidding. So then they give me the, all the charges, and they let me go. Alright. Just a few minutes after that. And, so I leave. I go home. My wife's, like, you know, upset. And, understandably so. And then I get, they told me I had to go down to the county to go make an appearance. I went down to the county. I think it was, like, 2 weeks later. And the clerk, she just looks at my paperwork and she stamps it and she goes, okay, we'll have someone call you. And I'm like, what? What is this about? She goes, well, you have like felony cases, so you have to talk to, a probation officer.
And the probation officer is gonna help, work out getting you, a, like, legal counsel. I was like, but I'm not on probation. I haven't been made guilty of any crimes. They're like, well, that's just how we do things here.
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Sent us sentence now, verdict later.
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They've they so so the probation officer calls me about, like, 2 or 3 days later, and she was nice, but she kept asking, like, she's asking all these questions. She's like, well, I wanna see if you qualified to get a public defender. I said, I don't want one. I'm not gonna get a lawyer. She she goes, no. You have to. And I said, no. I don't have to have a lawyer. And she kept being insistent about it, and I said, no. I'm not gonna get one. And she goes, listen. The judge says that you have to have a lawyer. I said, alright. Well, I'll I'll sort that out with the judge later. Okay?
And so I just I just finished the thing with her. She started asking me all kinds of now mind you, this is supposed to be finding out my finances in regard to if I can afford my own attorney or get, like, a public defender. And then she starts asking me questions like, oh, what kind of tattoos do you have? And I'm like, well, how is this relevant to to my financials, situation? She's like, well, you know, it's just a question on here. Like, well, I'm not answering any of those questions. So she she kinda got a little frustrated with me because I I I basically refused to answer most of her questions.
She asked me if I was employed. I said no. She's like, are you self employed? Yes. I am. Okay. What do you do? I'm not gonna answer that question. Where do you work? I don't wanna answer that question. You know? And so all she knows is I'm self employed. That's it. And, she has no other information. I'm I'm not providing it. So she was pretty frustrated about it, but she was she was pretty nice about it despite the fact I gave her a hard time by answering any questions. You know? And when she did try to, like, push on it a little bit, I said, well, did I didn't I don't remember waiving my 5th amendment right to be to, to not self incriminate, so I don't have to really answer any of these questions.
And she kinda that's when she kinda was like, alright. Whatever. We'll we'll just answer any questions you're comfortable answering. So then I was supposed to go into court. They wanted me to do an online meeting. Right? I got this notice, like, to appear here, here's the Zoom link. So I go in there, and, it's just like a it's like a girl and a man on the screen. And I'm asking the guy, I go, well, who are you? He goes, I'm the public defender. I go, who's that? Like, oh, she's the clerk. I said, okay. Well, what what is this meeting about then? There's no judge here? Like, no. No. No. Well, you you know, you qualify for a public defender, so we're gonna work out and tell you what what you're looking at. And, he told me that he said, look. You got you got some serious charges here. You got 5 felony charges that could land you in jail up to 13 years.
I said, over a pocket knife? He goes, well, look. I'm just telling you what what it is. You know? I'm like, I was like, this doesn't make any sense to me. He goes, it makes sense to you. You just don't agree with it. I said, no. It doesn't make sense to me. If if first of all, a a knife is is is categorized as a tool, not a weapon. Okay? Second of all, so if even if it was a weapon, the second amendment protects my right to carry 1. So those charges are all fraudulent to begin with on the face. I don't care if I was walking around with a sword. It doesn't matter. You have second amendment rights.
Right? I have second amendment rights. How could you just ignore them? Right? And so it's a it's a total invalidation of of your rights, You know? A pocket knife of all things too. It's not even like it wasn't like I was walking around with a bazooka. You know? That would be a little extreme. Alright. So, he kinda he was really annoyed with me, but then they gave me a, an arraignment date in early July. So the the rest happened in May. June, July comes. So before July, what I did was because they told me I had to have someone, and the public defender was going to defend me, I sent in a letter, and it was I I I wrote a termination of power of attorney.
Alright? And I sent in my affidavit along with it. So I sent in my affidavit talking about being a national, and I sent in a, termination of power of attorney. And this termination of power of attorney is is a pretty big deal because what they did was when I sent that in, apparently and I'll read it to you. I'm just gonna go look for it and pull it up. Let me read what I wrote on there.
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Joe, while you're looking for that, you said May June July and all this. Mhmm. What year when that 23?
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That was 24. Because the the other court there was a different court case where I got the car taken, stuff like that.
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It's where the judge said you bought gas, so he had jurisdiction. Is that incident?
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Yeah. That's a that was a different incident. Okay. So that that one's all done and over with. But this this is the the the other one. Alright. So I wrote this termination power of attorney. I said, this document is to be entered in evidence at the earliest possible opportunity. I hereby put all people and persons on legal and lawful notice that I hereby void and terminate all past and present powers of attorney. This include all lawyers, attorneys, barristers, and solicitors, and esquires, and guardians, right, guardians counselors, and the like now and forevermore.
According to corpus juris secundum chapter 7 section 4, attorneys have a dual obligation. Their first duty is to the courts and the public. Only when those are satisfied do they have a duty to the client. With that in mind, I will hold court in persona, in persona, inappropriate persona, sui Juris, which just means that I'm gonna be, as myself in my proper person. And I let all involved in this controversy know that I do not consent to the proceedings. I accept no benefit of the state. I hope you will honor this demand and file a motion to withdraw in the court so this decision becomes a matter of court record. Thank you in advance. I sent them that, and then what I did was I sent them also a, a notice showing that the name that they were using was, trademarked.
So it was a trademarked name. I was revoking the the I was terminating power of attorney. I gave him, legal authority on why I was doing it. Since the attorney doesn't have me in his best interest. He has to make the court happy first, and that's where his duty lays first. I can't rely on him to actually do the best for me, so I have to terminate all power of attorneys. And they said nothing to me. There was no communication, no nothing. So in July, I showed up. My wife came with me. We went down to the courtroom, and, you know, when they open up the doors, everyone starts walking in. And as I start walking in, the woman stops me at the door. She goes, woah. Woah. Woah. Who are you?
I go, me? She's like, yeah. I'm like and it's kinda weird because she just let everyone else walk in, but the second I walk in, she stops me. And she goes, yeah. Yeah. What's your name? And so I give her the name, and then she says, oh, we we haven't looked at that case yet. You know, come back next week, and, you know, we'll we'll do your arraignment next week. Alright? We haven't gotten that one ready. So I leave.
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And then That's a little suspicious. Go ahead. Yeah. That was, yeah, that was weird.
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So, the next week, my wife actually took off of work to come do this thing with in court with me. And, we're getting ready to go, and I get a phone call from the courthouse. They said, oh, don't worry about, coming in. We we got rid of that case. We've we've dropped it. And, I said, oh, great. Thank you very much. So I thought that was the end of it. I said, well, that's great. But turns out what happened was the municipal court that arrested me picked up the case. They decided to to try the case, even though New Jersey says that, municipal courts are not allowed to to try felony felony charges.
So they could only really charge the motor vehicle charges, but they couldn't do the felony charges. But they were just kind of ignoring that and just pushing it anyway. Presumption. Yeah. They were so what I did at first, I sent in the same exact paperwork that I sent into the other court. Termination of power of attorney. Right? The the my, affidavit. Okay. And the, the trademark. What they did was they changed all the paperwork and spelled the name differently and then sent in the same thing saying I had to appear in court anyway. So I what I did was I trademarked the name the way they had it, newly written, and I sent it back in. They then again changed the the spelling of the name, sent another notice in for me to appear with a different
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altered version of the name. Well, how could they even expect you to be forced to appear if they're spelling your name wrong? You're a different person.
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Like, the first way they were doing it was all capital letters with the middle initial. Then they did it, all capital letters, first name, last name without the middle name. Then the third time, they did it upper lower case with the middle initial, period. So I trademarked all all three versions of the name like that. And that's because I'm almost like, well, they're playing a name game. Obviously, that's what they're doing because they keep changing the paperwork. I mean, even the paper they printed on was different each time. So I'm like, well, that's interesting. So I don't know what that's about, but it's it does speak volumes. The fact that when I sent all that stuff in, they just changed the the spelling of the name.
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They have never probably run across someone with the amount of prowess that you have, Joe. Be my guest.
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Yeah. So, so I I sent them that last one. They just kind of ignored it. Right? I guess they were kinda like, he's gonna just keep trademarking names. You know, where are we gonna go with that? So they just let it go, and they just ignored it. I noticed, like, what the court likes to do is just ignore everything.
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Oh, yeah.
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So what they did was they sent another letter with the last spelling of the name. They kept it that way ever since. Like, they just kinda was like, well, we're not changing it again. We're gonna come after you. And then they sent me a new notice citing that I was gonna have to appear in March of 2025. Now mind you, this is August of 2024. Wow. Right? So I'm like I I'm like, well, that's a really long time. There's gotta be something on that because we have a right to, a speedy trial. Mhmm. Right? So I'm like, so I go looking through the New Jersey statutes, and, the New Jersey statutes has a 90 day window to do arraignment on criminal cases.
And the 90 day window had already expired. So I just wrote up a motion to dismiss, and I cited not the statute, but the actual enacted law that the statute comes from. So, you know, like, a lot of people talk about how statutes are in law, and, you know, it's true because if you read your state constitution, the state constitution tells you what the legislation will pass as the laws for the state, and they're not called statutes or codes. They're usually called bills. Sometimes they're called acts, but it depends on what your state constitution says.
So the statutes are just evidence of law, but they're not the law themself. Mhmm. So what I did was I found the the actual bill that that statue came from, and I put that on my motion to dismiss with the enacting clause and everything on there. Alright? And I said, here's a motion to dismiss. Right? And I said, because you only have 90 days to do an arraignment on, any kind of criminal charges. And since you list everything on here, the motor vehicle charges and such as crimes and criminal, and there has been no arraignment, and it's been almost a 180 days, a motion to dismiss all charges, and I sent that in.
And, I I got a letter back about 3 days later changing the court gate to September. So they moved it from March of 2025 back to September of 2024. So at first, I'm like, well, what's that about? And then I I thought about it. I said, you know what? I think I know what's going on. I think what they're doing is they're going to hear my motion to dismiss. I mean, lot I mean, that just makes sense to me logically, but, you know, if it's not, then it's not. But turns out, you know, as as the days were coming, I'm like, nothing's happening, and I'm I'm on here talking with people. And, Mark, straw man, he suggests I do a writ of prohibition.
Right? Because I I'm like, well, I don't see why would you even have to appear to do a motion to dismiss the judge could just grant it. Right. And they just mail it in, but they wanted me to come in. So I was kinda like, alright, something's something's wrong here, because they keep changing the court dates. They're flip flopping all over the place with the court dates. Right? It's, like, all over the place. Pretty unusual. Yeah. Yeah. They were having a hard time with me. You know, especially with the the affidavit that I put in and and, the trademarking of the name, they were they were, like, really fighting here. So I put in a writ of prohibition. What I did was I sent it I sent them a copy. I sent a copy to the judge. I sent a copy to the prosecutor.
I sent a copy to the clerk of the court, and I sent a copy to the county, to the exact courthouse that dropped the case originally. And I said, well, here's the brief in support of a writ of prohibition. And I said that, I'm applying this because, due to New Jersey constitution article 1 clause 10, right, gives me a right to a speedy trial. And it says, senate number, 946 January 20, 2014, and the New Jersey statutes says that I have, a 90 day window to do an arraignment on any kind of criminal charges, and that there's a 180 day provision in order to try a criminal case.
The 180 days has has lapsed, and thus, there is no way we can do any kind of seeing on this court case at all. Right? So, and so I'm saying, like, please stop the lower court from trying to pursue this case because they're they're, like, itching to throw me in jail when when they don't have jurisdiction to see the case. I cited the the New Jersey, laws on that. I also cited, the fact that it's they missed a 90 day arraignment window. They missed a 180 day trial, criminal trial window, and I listed out how, each specific charge and the statute that says that they can't see that charge, specifically within the, the criminal code for New Jersey.
And, you know, I heard I've never I've never heard back from that upper court. Alright? Nothing. I heard nothing from them.
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Silence deeps consent.
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Yeah. So well, but the the lower court just kept insisting I was coming in. I even called them, and I said, hey. You know, I sent in some paperwork. Did you guys get it? They said, yeah. You're still coming in, though. I'm like, well, jeez. You guys sound really nice. So I showed up. It was, I think it was the end of September, And, I I went in and, you know, the prosecutor starts arguing with me about the motion to dismiss, telling me that it doesn't make any sense. And, he starts arguing about titles, titles versus chapters. So I had to I had to say I had to explain to him. I said, well, a title covers an entire subject.
The chapters cover the little intricacies of of that subject. I said, so when I was explaining you the different chapters, I was talking about the chapters of that title because he was trying to argue with me that I was confusing chapters and titles. I said, no. I didn't confuse that. I think you're confused. Yeah. You you either are trying to trying to trick me into getting me confused, or you really don't understand how the statutes are written out. The lamb. He got Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. Because when when I explained it to him, he just kinda he slunked it to his seat, and he goes, go make your motion to the judge.
Right? I think what my my what I think he was thinking was that I bought some paperwork off for somebody, and someone else was doing this for me. Uh-huh. But as I was going through the, the motion to dismiss and explaining it piece by piece to him, he realized that, 1, I knew what I was talking about. 2, that I was the one that put this together. Alright. And that, all the little fancy his little fancy, you know, trickery wasn't working on me. So he just kinda slumped in his chair and gave up. Yep. Right. So I went in, the the judge started, like, pretending that there was no motion to dismiss.
And I said, I said, well, I did put in a motion in to dismiss, and she goes, oh, yeah. Well, okay. And she goes fumbling through the paperwork, and then she goes, oh, yeah. Yeah. You're, she reads it. She goes, okay. Well, your motion is gonna be denied. I said, why? She goes, there's no statute of limitation on crimes. I said, that's not what it says. It says that New Jersey has you have 90 days to do an arraignment on criminal charges or the charges get dropped, and she and she yelled at me, right, about that. She's like, there is no statute of limitation. I said, well, I did put a writ of prohibition in with the upper court regarding this. I'm just waiting to hear back from them, And she yelled at me again. She goes, this isn't going away.
That was her communication to me. This isn't going away. And then she said, you can go get a you can go look for a public defender, or find your own attorney, but, you're gonna come we're gonna we're gonna send you a letter to tell you when to come back, and she kicked me out of the the courtroom. So it was like the most point. They didn't ask me if I was pleading guilty or not guilty. That none of that. They just it was really to hear the motion, but they tried to ignore it until I had to bring it up. And the judge is supposed to give someone in per per,
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proper or representing yourself. They're supposed to give you more leniency and leeway because you're not an attorney instead of yelling at you and kicking you out of the courtroom.
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No. Yeah. So she wasn't she she was definitely and, you know, I did this in front of, like, most of the people in the court. I was, like, the 5th or 6th person to come up. Oh. So the fact that I wasn't, like, getting shaken by her or by the prosecutor and the fact that I knew what I was doing really, I think, really set her off. Yep. Yeah. So, so they kicked me out, and, I got a letter, saying to go in. It was at the it was, like, the middle of December. Right? So, I'm like, okay. Well, look, these guys are itching to really throw me in jail. So I have to get a little bit, crazier about this. I gotta get I gotta get tougher.
So what I did was I, I've decided, well, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna find out what their authority is on how they can bring these charges to me, and I'm gonna bring this all the way up and down through the entire, you know, governmental system of New Jersey Yep. And get an answer from somebody. Okay. So, so what I did was I went through the New Jersey constitution. Right? I went through, I was reading this, so this is what I was doing. I was putting together what's called the writ of co warranto and it's basically the writ of co warranto is a it's a letter asking under what authority are you bringing this to me. Right?
And, I I was like, I need to know, like, the authority and all that stuff. But as I was going through this writ, I realized that this writ of co lorento actually has more power to it than I thought. So
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Joe, let let me interrupt. It's a common law writ, isn't it? Yes. Yep. Go ahead. Against the corporation.
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Okay.
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Well, this the other thing that probably irks them is that I went and get their DUNS number, and I put it on there on all the paperwork. So I show, like, the city is actually operating as a business. Here's its business number. Right? But when I was going through this, Quo Warrento stuff, I found that, by studying this because I'm studying this Quo Warrento, and, I found out that the the cities, the each each, municipal corporation is created under an act of the state and that the act, if they violate the provisions of that act, they forfeit the city.
And so I'm like, well, this is really interesting. So I first thing I did, I said, well, let me go find out when they got incorporated. I had to go dig, dig, dig, and finally, on the city's website, they have this it's, I mean, it's an old it's a photograph of this, typed up paper on, like, some old fashioned type of paper. It's really interesting. Right? And what it says is that, what it says on there is that, in the matter of petition for the formalities of a borough government to be known as mayor and council of the borough of Cliffside Park because that's the name of the the town. It's called the borough of Cliffside Park Incorporated. It's the actual legal name. Right?
So, it says that they put a petition for the people of, of of the township of Ridgefield in the county of Bergen in the state of New Jersey. And what they were doing was since since this area was considered part of this town called Ridgefield at that point in time. Right? What they were gonna do by the way, this is, like, 1895, So there's a lot of digging to go find that. Oh, wow. You know? And and it says it cited in there that they were creating this borough under the authority of the act of April 5th, 18 78. I said, oh, they decided their authority to become a borrower. So now I have to go find that act of 18 78.
This is a lot of researching to do, you know. So I mean, the amount of digging to go find that. And then I found this thing from April 5th, 18, 78, and it says that, any, body politic in the state of New Jersey, and it gives a certain amount, like, I think it's like 5,000, if they would like to incorporate into a borough, I think they gave like a couple of them. They said like a borough or, I think a village. So I think it was village boroughs and another type of town. Right. So that they can do that and that they can make such bylaws and rules for their government as are not inconsistent with the spirit and intention of this act, the Constitution and laws of the state and of the United States.
I said, oh, there it is right there. So now in order for them to remain a government, they have to abide by the Constitution of New Jersey and of the United States. They have to abide by the laws of the state and the laws of the United States, so then I said, okay, now I have their authority to be a city. So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to go and look up all the different rights of mine that were violated that are that are secured and protected by the state and federal Constitution, the state and federal laws, Okay. And I put a whole list of these things together. So one was they violated my 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment right under the federal Constitution.
Right. Those rights are also protected under the New Jersey Constitution as well. So most most of the states have adopted all the the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments inside of their Constitution in some way or another. New Jersey does not have a right to bear arms provision inside of its constitution, but the borough has to uphold and acknowledge someone's 2nd Amendment rights. So even though the New Jersey Constitution doesn't specifically mention that. So I put I put in those, I cited the New Jersey, right to a speedy trial was violated, on the federal level was violated. They they took my property, without just compensation and without without, you know, finding me guilty of a crime under due process, so that's a violate. That's also a 5th Amendment violation. Due without due cause.
Right. So they took they took private property without due cause. They took, I didn't get a speedy trial, okay, nor was it public. Okay? They, you know, my 4th amendment right was violated because, you know, they they told me I didn't have a right. I had to answer questions when I was on when I was in a custodial arrest. My rights, under the New Jersey statutes, just talking about the criminal codes was violated a whole bunch of times because 90 day arraignment, they ignored that. They ignored the 180 day, trial date for for criminal cases. All that stuff, my right to travel was violated.
The fact that I had a valid, exemption number through the New Jersey code of admin code. Right? They violated that too. So I have federal protections under that and they ignored that. So I so so I put this writ together, and I said that, you know, the Cliffside Park, borough of incorporated, and they give the DUNS number. I said, incorporated on, January 15, 18 95 by the power authority of this act. Right. And then they cite the act from April 5th, 18 78. And I cite there and it says, it says that Cliffside Park has a duty per the above, encoded law right, or enacted law to uphold and protect the rights of the people. If they are not within the powers of the constitution of the United States and the general laws of the United States and the laws of the state of New Jersey, they don't have any powers and are in violation of their corporate charter. They are a franchise. They promised that they would be within the powers of the of the United States and general laws of the state of New Jersey, and then I show their, incorporated, document that says that they would do that. I said the New Jersey constitution cites that every state officer before entering upon duties of his office shall take and subscribe an oath and affirmation to support the constitution of this state and of the United States and to perform the duties of his office faithfully and partially and justly to the best of his ability.
And I said the jurisdiction of this writ is under the common law. Okay? I am a man and one of the people and not a corporate entity. I'm not under any statutory obligation contract with my expressed consent. If there's any contract, it is under a silent agreement made without my expressed consent. I have not waived any rights protected by the constitution. The legal grounds for this writ, has not been canceled, by the way. New Jersey never canceled the writ of co warranto, not even in their statute. Some states have done that, I found out. Really? Yeah. Some states would be like, oh, we canceled those writs. We don't do those anymore. So they did not do that. So this writ of qua warranto has not been canceled, and any New Jersey statute making the claim that it is canceled is without merit and void due to the New Jersey constitution.
Only can the New Jersey Constitution cancel any writ according to its constitution. Right? Like, they put in some kind of stipulation saying they wouldn't honor those writs anymore, but only the constitution can change the constitution. Well, if it's if it's an embedded common law doctrine with the exception of Louisiana, I can't understand how any state would have the power to do that. They they don't. But you see, it's it's all, you know, it's you have to challenge the constitutionality of these statutes and no one ever does. You know the,
[00:50:43] Unknown:
the Robert Barnes is using a quo warranto in that case against Pfizer with the whistleblower down in Texas. It's in Beaumont, I believe. It's federal case, but it was in Beaumont. So so other people are using them, and at least Texas, can't hadn't done away with them either. I don't think the other states could do away with them, Joe.
[00:51:06] Unknown:
No. They they can't, but they they they'll put, you know, they'll put, like, a sticker over it, something trying to hide it. You know, that's how I look at it. Like Well,
[00:51:16] Unknown:
don't do anything to try and trick you. As y'all are hearing in this story right here, and I hope also for maybe the newer people, and I tell you, if you're green light. If you wanna go fight the state and city hall, go do it if you're wrong. But you're getting a sense now of what's involved in something like that. And the fact that even Joe's kinda alluded to it a little bit, he's got a wife and 2 young children at home too while being self employed. So just to throw those in for the mix, don't we got somebody here who won. Okay? But you may win too, but just realize if you've never done legal stuff, boy, it's like the pig at breakfast. You know, Joe?
You ever heard of that? You know, when you get steak and eggs or or or or pork and and eggs in the morning that the chicken was involved, but the pig was committed. We you gotta get committed if you're gonna do this. K? Yeah.
[00:52:18] Unknown:
Yeah. I I I remember you've said that before. The pig was committed. Yeah. Alright. So what I did was I cited, some of the New Jersey constitution provisions. I said in article 1 under the rights and privilege section clause 2, it says all political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security, and benefit of the people, and they have the right at all times to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. So I'm I'm so first off, by using that one clause, it says that all political powers inherent in the people and the government because they're instituted for the protection and security of those of the rights of the people. When the cop came in and tried to get me to waive my rights, they were not acting in a governmental capacity at all. They were actually acting in a treasonous capacity
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because they're trying to do the one thing that they were instituted to do to protect my rights. I see they were doing that from the start the way they handled the entire incident, but go ahead.
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Well, no, I agree. But but the evidence would be in that piece of paper. Right? When the cop tries to get me to waive my rights, I say, well, now you're not acting as a government agent at all. Right? You may have done something that you thought was right from the beginning, but the second you tell me I have to waive a right, now you're actually you're in treason and you're in violation of your oath. Clause 7 says that the right of the people to be secure in their person's house papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, which is our 4th amendment. But in New Jersey, it's this it's clause 7 of the rights and privileges.
Okay? No person shall be held, to answer for a criminal offense unless on the presentment or indictment of a grand jury, okay, which they were not doing with me at all. They were ignoring all that stuff. They were just like, we're gonna just prosecute you on criminal charges, and we're gonna make you burn. So they violated that that constitutional provision of the state and says that all criminal prosecutions, they accuse you of the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury. Well, they violated that too because they told me I couldn't do that, and they made me wait over a 180 days for me to even appear in court, which there it's supposed to be 90 days for an arraignment, a 180 days for trial. That's New Jersey's laws based off of that clause 10 in the New Jersey constitution.
Alright? And it says that I can have witnesses again that I can be, I can confront wins witnesses against me. I could attain witnesses in my favor. Okay? And it also says private property should not be taken for public use without just compensation. They violated that too. Individuals or private corporations shall not be authorized to take private property for public use without just compensation made to the owners first. So they violated that one. And then I used the, it says, except as otherwise provided by this constitution, this is still the New Jersey constitution. All writs, actions, judgments, decrees, causes of action, prosecutions, contracts, claims, and rights of individuals, shall continue unaffected, notwithstanding the taking effect of any article of this constitution.
So right there in the constitution, it tells you that they can't cancel any writs, actions, judgments, decrees, causes of actions, prosecutions, contracts, claim, and rights of individuals and of bodies corporate without without making an amendment to the constitution.
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Notice how they used in individuals instead of persons there. Yeah. Yep. That's right. The right of individuals.
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I said this is the New Jersey statute that clearly makes an exception to the motor vehicle statute. So New Jersey, statutes actually has a, an exception to the entire motor vehicle code, And it says automobile and notice they say automobiles. Okay. Not motor vehicles. Right. Automobile fire engines and such self propelling vehicles that are used neither for the conveyance of persons for hire, pleasure of business, nor for the transportation of freights, such as steam road rollers and traction engines are accepted from the provisions of this chapter. I said we'll look at that New Jersey Motor Vehicle Code acknowledges the fact that if you're not in, commerce, then the codes don't apply to you, and that's in their own that's in the revised statutes.
Okay? Then I put in corpus delicti from state, court cases. Right? And, like like New Jersey Supreme Court cases. Right? It says, normally, an individual will only be permitted to seek judicial vindication of his own rights. That's a that's from a New Jersey court case. It says the term corpus delicti embraces the occurrence of loss or injury and criminal causation thereof. I put that in there because the only one who who experienced any kind of injury or loss, right, was me. Yep. I I harmed nobody with my with my DOT exemption number. Nope. I harmed nobody with a pocket knife in my pocket, So they had no corpus delecti.
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How about the couple inches of snow on the roof of the car?
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Oh, well, I mean, I'm surprised they didn't get the SWAT team from you on that one. So I I put in I'm not gonna go through all of them, but I put in about 9 other court cases from the New Jersey Supreme Court talking about what is corpus delecti, what is evidence of a crime, where, you know, injury, harm, and they have they have none of it. Okay? And and that was my point. I said, so, they're a franchise. Okay? This is a franchise. That's what they are. A franchise is said to be a right reserved to the people by the constitution as the elective franchise.
Right? It's a privilege conferred by grant from government invested in 1 or more individuals as a public office. Corporations or body politic are the most usual franchises known to our laws. Now the reason why I'm talking about all this stuff is because I'm showing that there's the the legal ramification for a franchise, a municipal corporation, is that because it's it's created under the laws of the United States and the constitution of the of the state and federal, both state and federal constitutions, that because it's it's because they're given a grant to create that government, and it's a privilege to have that to operate as a government, that if they violate the rules that they forfeit that government that they created. Yep.
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I also cite the, Wouldn't that be like the bylaws of the corporation, the the founding ordinances, etcetera?
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Yeah. That's right. So then I I also cited the federal code that exempts everyone from, in commerce, and then I showed that it was tied in. So I do a request for for relief. I said, defendant corporation. Right? So I put on the writ of co warrant, though, you put them down as defendant and you make yourself plaintiff on in this matter. So you're reversing the the situation here. Uh-huh. Okay. So I was the plaintiff and and the city is the defendant. And for the request for relief, I said defendant corporation, right, has violated provisions of the act under which it was created, and then I cite the the act. It says also violated provisions of the New Jersey constitution clause 2, clause 7, clause 8, clause 10, and clause 20.
It also violated, United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, clause 17, Article 4, Section 4, Republican form of government, Amendment 2, Amendment 4, Amendment 5, Amendment 6, Amendment 7, Amendment 8, and, the 9th Amendment as well. Right? Which is a very interesting little take. Right? The 9th Amendment. Because I'm reserving my rights, that may not be expressly written in the constitution, but I still have those rights. And, the right to travel would be one of those rights that are recognized under the authority of the 9th Amendment. So the New Jersey motor vehicle code, they violated that provision, the New Jersey admin code.
And said, so the defending corporation, borough of, accordingly, has forfeited its charter and become liable to be dissolved by the abuse of its power. The defending corporation, therefore, is dissolved, and the corporate rights, privileges, and franchises of defendants are declared forfeited to the people. Defendant corporation, right, trustees, directors, managers, and other officials, officers, and attorneys, and agents are forever restrained and enjoined from exercising any of the corporate franchise powers, rights, and or privileges previously exercised by defendant, the borough, and from collecting or receiving any debts and or demands belonging to or held by defendant and from paying out or in any manner interfering with transferring or delivering to any person or have any deposits, money, securities, properties, and effects of the defendant city or held by it.
So I'm dissolving the city. And I said that, just, that since that the city, in the county of, right, in the state of New Jersey, b and hereby, that oh, I cited myself, sorry, as the receiver. So by dissolving the corporation, right, all their, physical assets has to be given over to what's called the receiver, one who holds it for to be dispersed out by the so what happens when you do this writ? The people of that borough will now obtain all the property back from the government since the government's being dissolved, and they can hold, they can have an election and decide what they're gonna do with all those properties, but I I named myself as the receiver.
I said that, I'm hereby appointed receiver of all property, real and personal things in action and effects of the said corporation held by, invested in, or which it may be in any wise interest or entitled with the usual powers and duties enjoined and exercised by receivers according to the practice of this court and statutes of the state of New Jersey. Okay. So I said, what I'm gonna have to do is by taking over all of their stuff, I'm going to have the people vote on a time for an election. We're going to and then the people will get to decide what they wanna do with the properties.
If they you know, which turns out the the city owns a lot of stuff. You know, they have, like, their courthouse, the the library. Oh, yeah. They have a few schools there. They have, fire trucks,
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police cars, you know, the police station. You're gonna you're gonna drive the, chief of police car home, are you, Jake?
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Yeah. With my DOT tags. So for the writ to be executed properly, you have to you have to send it to the attorney general of the state Uh-huh. Of course. Which I did. I also contacted the governor's office, and I told him that they I sent them a copy of the writ. And I said, you have rogue agents in the city here who are violating all these things. Here's the writ that I put together as the receiver. You know, I'd like to get this now. The attorney general, if the attorney general does not act on it, I then goes to me to act on it personally. And I can just I can execute the writ without their permission. Yeah. And, so I sent that in and they sent in a, well, the court was totally quiet, but they had me scheduled for December, like mid December.
And I came in there, and I'm sitting there waiting. My wife's sitting there with me, you know. The same, bitch, female judge? Yeah. Same one. Okay. And she was so nice and pleasant to everyone that day. I mean, she was like she you would have been like, wow. What a sweetheart this woman is. She's like, oh, you have a nice day. Merry Christmas. She's saying that to people as they're leaving.
[01:05:15] Unknown:
Happy holidays. Honey draws more flies and vinegar, Joe.
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Yeah. So, now the courtroom is empty, and I'm sitting there with my wife. And the clerk comes in and says, oh, well, Joe Lustica didn't show up. And, the judge says he's sitting right there. And she goes, oh, oh, okay. I'm sitting right up in the front, you know, like, how did they not notice me? So she knew who I was. You know, she remembered me. And she goes, Can you go talk to the prosecutor real quick? So I go, All right. I go up and I go talk to the prosecutor. I go into his office. He goes, Hi, and he looks visibly nervous to me, right? He He looks a little shaken up. He goes, Hey, listen, first thing I'm gonna do, I have to give you due process. I can't just kind of like, you know, like, we can't just like end the court case. Like, we, I can't do that with you. I'm sorry. But here's what I'm gonna do. All these felony charges, they're gone. Alright? So they're just off the table now. Alright?
Tell me about the car. I said, what? The the car? He goes, yeah. Yeah. Tell me about it. Like, because there's all these charges on the car, like, no insurance stuff. I said, well, it's not my car. He goes, okay, fine. Those are all gone.
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You have it in trust, right?
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Yes, that's right. So and they have that paperwork that shows that it's in a trust. Uh-huh. So they he's just like, okay, fine. And, he's just he's like, fine. All those charges are gone. He goes, the only thing is this, this, driver's license thing, he says. So what I'm going to do is, is like, I got to give you discovery. All right. I can't I can't, like, close out the court case without having you have discovery first. So I have to give that to you. So, what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna have the body cam footage sent to you and all the other evidence we're gonna have we're gonna hand it over to you. You come back in a week or so and, come pick it all up, and we'll push the court date out to, like, mid of next year, and, we'll just close out the case then. Okay? But all these charges are gonna be gone. Alright? But I have to give you discovery, and I I have to give you due process.
[01:07:20] Unknown:
Now they're telling you.
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Yeah. So then I go Right. And then I go Hold on, Larry. And so then I go back into the, into the court. The judge, calls me up, gives me a big old smile. She goes, okay. So we're gonna do an adjournment for today. Alright? You guys have a very happy holiday.
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That was it. Was it adjournment for, like, Christmas or something? Christmas?
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Christmas. They sent me a thing to appear in April, but the only charge that's that's standing right now is the no license. Uh-huh. But they said they just want me to have Discovery first so they can so they can close case. One. Okay. Okay. Now,
[01:08:05] Unknown:
hold on, Mark. Larry was sitting there first. I I want Joe to Joe, are you pretty much at the end of the story here? That's that's where we are. You wanna add?
[01:08:15] Unknown:
No. That was it. That's that's what I did to get them to, you know, to stop.
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Well, you were very effective at it. You were very calm. You were you were meticulous and and unrelenting on moving forward and doing your research and taking that time out of a father with 2 young children in his own business to go do all that research. And that's what I tell you folks that have never done anything like this. It's fine if you wanna do it. Okay? And you you you can see here from Joe, it's possible to win. Alright? But what people naively that have never done that before don't realize, I think Joe, is what a demand it is on your life.
And to the point where no matter if you win or not, they almost win automatically because they've stolen your wife your life for you to get that win. That's kind of the conclusions I came up with years ago. Part of the reason we're here today, as a matter of fact, was that court deal I was in with IRS down there in Atlanta. So if you're gonna go into this, god bless you. Just know what's in store and what's demanded of you. That that's my point. So, Larry.
[01:09:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Two questions for Joe. If you if the scenario that you talked about how you the whole city could have been taken over and there needs to be a receiver, it would have all gone back to the people. So if we follow that through hypothetically, what would happen? Would the people be required to get another local government? I mean, is the whole local government being dissolved and they would have to vote in a new government? And does this include the sheriff? Because the sheriff is an elected position.
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The sheriff was not after that. Okay. So they would yes. So, here's what would happen. The receiver has to go get an EIN number for this specific purpose and open up a set up a bank account, right, to receive all the liquidated, assets. Right? Then what what would happen is that, yes, everyone, every single, man or woman that worked for this for the city, would be, barred from ever working in any kind of governmental position ever again. Right? Like, the judge, the prosecutor, all the police, every single cop up and down the line, they're all gone. Well, because they let it happen and didn't it didn't stop it? That's right. Okay. Every single one. I think anyone outside of that, like, if you work for, like, the like, let's say you were the the parks department for the city, I don't think that would affect them. Or the or if you work for the library for the city, I don't think it would affect those people. Just the people within that field. Key administrative
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positions. Right. Do what, Larry?
[01:11:14] Unknown:
What about the schools, Joe, and the the teachers? Because that does do does the city own the schools, the local schools?
[01:11:22] Unknown:
Yes. They do. And, the receiver would be in charge of either maintaining the schools, right, up until another election is held and a new incorporated town is put into place. They would have to have new elections for mayors and all that stuff. By the way, the mayor would not be able to be mayor anymore either. He he would be lost on that position. He would never be able to run for mayor again, and neither would anyone in his office. So all those people, a 100% of the people that work in the governmental unit for the city are just out. They're out of the government forever.
Right? Yeah. So the receiver would be acting kind of like the executive over the city until there's a new election. Right? Which Mhmm. Would kind of be like a Kind of like a receiver in bankruptcy.
[01:12:13] Unknown:
Similar, I would think. Yeah.
[01:12:16] Unknown:
Right. Joe, do you think, like, as far as the teachers are concerned, they're not really a public official. So it's do you think it's kinda like when a corporation gets taken over, like, say, a corporation gets sold and another corporation comes in and buys it out, they're they are buying the employees too. So would that be the case with the teachers, like, the all the public officials would would be fired or whatever, but the teachers in the schools, would would they be they they would go go property. Right?
[01:12:51] Unknown:
No. They would remain there. The you know, like, the receiver could just keep the the, you know, the city going per per normal, but there just wouldn't be any police or anything operating at the time because they would all be gone. So the receiver could do, certain things, but, you know, allowing the schools to continue as such, you know, that's why you the receiver has, again, EIN number, has to set up an account because they have to be able to pay the teachers and stuff like that through the the liquidated city funds. So he would take over the city's accounts, move all the accounts over into this other bank account, which he would then control. So that way, none of those people who were involved in the government that had access to those bank accounts would be able to infiltrate and do anything with the money, like embezzlement or try to maybe rob funds or do other things.
So they would actually have the all those accounts are yet closed. The receiver opens up another account and then and then continues funding the cities, you know, like schools and libraries and such like that up until an election is held and they institute a new, government for the city. A lot of those things remain status quo.
[01:14:08] Unknown:
Does New Jersey does your county have a sheriff and and would this all include the sheriff too, or is that considered a constitutional office and and it would not be included in this whole situation?
[01:14:21] Unknown:
No. Because it wasn't the county that did it. It was the city. So the sheriff is not he's not the the sheriff would actually be the law enforcement during that time period for that city Since the city won't have police officers anymore, it would only be the deputies going around in that area. Right. So they would be the law enforcement for that area at that time.
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One more question. If your car wasn't in a trust, let's just say somebody did the DOT process, but they they kept their title, you know, they just didn't renew their registration, and, would that have made things differently? Would there have been a different outcome if you if you had the 2,000,000, the avenue of trust?
[01:15:06] Unknown:
I you know, I don't know. I think this particular prosecutor was just looking for any kind of reason to drop all those charges.
[01:15:15] Unknown:
He wanted you out and gone. And, evidently, so did somebody in the AG's office or the governor's office.
[01:15:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I I called the governor's office, and I said, hey. Listen. I sent you guys this really cool warranto. I haven't heard anything, but I'm letting you know you guys have rogue agents over there. Okay? And the municipality might have to get shut down. So I don't know if you guys wanna step in and do something or fix this, but, I mean, she the woman was like she she started reading the writ. She goes, oh, yeah. I see it, and started reading it a little bit. She goes, you need to speak with the attorney general. That's what she said. Uh-huh.
You know, and, yeah, they were, you know, like I said, like that, the prosecutor was kinda shook up when he saw me. And,
[01:16:11] Unknown:
Joe, I'm just man, I'm so proud of you. You did a great job. Great job. Hey, Roger. Roger. Alright. Hold on. Merka. Merk and that was it Merk's way. Yes. Merk.
[01:16:24] Unknown:
I have a couple of points. And if you noticed how they they tone they their tone totally changed with what, Joe Joe brought into them. And there there's I have often said that we know how we need to learn how to live as a private individual and carry yourself in a private educate yourself so that you have the knowledge to defend yourself. And people often ask me, you know, what what do you mean by living private? You know, this is an example of what we need to do because we don't know all that information is educate ourselves now.
[01:17:09] Unknown:
You got you. What what
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who has the authority? We are no longer public federal citizens that the United States tyrannical government has control over and can assume authority, presume that you are their subject. And then you say, Roger, you know, this is, you know, a lot of work. I don't discourage. You know, you don't you don't tell anybody not to do that, but it is gonna take time and research. This is what I encourage people to do is learn, do the research, you know, take in internalize what it is to live private.
[01:17:54] Unknown:
You know, you're the one that for the people Mark is talking to here sorry to interrupt, Mark, but you're the one that wanted to be free. That's why you you come to these shows and you've learned this information. Well, this is part of the commitment you made when you said I told myself I wanna be free of all this. These are the commitments that you made underneath because freedom, unfortunately, ain't free. Okay? Right. This is part of what I say. This is the price you pay for your freedom. These types of things. Go ahead. Well, it's not it's not a price. It's something that we have to do for ourselves
[01:18:29] Unknown:
and learn for ourselves. We have the authority now, Roger. You We have the authority.
[01:18:35] Unknown:
Pay a price for everything. Okay? And the price you pay for your freedom is to be able to defend it. I often say to people weaponize it. K?
[01:18:45] Unknown:
I often tell people it's like I often say to people is that the the state of DC, the government federal federal government, United States Corporation has no authority on us. Nope. No. Carry the yourself that way. Yep. So,
[01:19:08] Unknown:
now there was somebody, Paul. Go ahead and there's somebody who's waiting in the in the do do pardon me? Yeah, Roger. Yeah. Oh, hold on. Paul's gonna go first, and then we'll go to you. Paul?
[01:19:19] Unknown:
It's important to note that, he did have to go through a a whole bunch of hoops. He had to to file multiple writs, multiple notices, but he wouldn't have had the authority to do any of that if he was a slave.
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States
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The affidavit empowered him
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to actually have a voice they had to listen to whether they wanted to or not. It It it opened the door for everything. Okay? That's why this is important. It's so powerful, and it's so important that you learn what you've got in your hands and how to use it. Okay? Now who's the gentleman that's been trying to say something for a minute?
[01:20:05] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. This is Paul from Kentucky.
[01:20:08] Unknown:
Oh, hey, Paul.
[01:20:10] Unknown:
And I apologize for the confusion, but when you said Paul's next
[01:20:16] Unknown:
Oh, gotcha.
[01:20:17] Unknown:
Gotcha. No. He we got more Pauls around here in the bible. Go ahead.
[01:20:23] Unknown:
Well, I wanted to, maybe give a suggestion or or an opinion to Larry. He asked about if you, don't put your vehicle in a trust. To the best of my knowledge, if your car is titled with the state, that is not a title. If you read it, it is a certificate of title Title. Which means which means all you have is a certificate. In reality, to the best of my knowledge, you don't own that car. The state does. You've just got a certificate
[01:21:05] Unknown:
of ownership.
[01:21:07] Unknown:
That's correct. And and so and so I I don't know how that would apply to Larry, but I'm just letting him know that when you put it into a trust, you then take ownership of that, property. No. The trust takes ownership of the property. You I mean, the trust I can't you you I can't correct it. What I meant, though, was that now the the property is out of the possession of your state. So Yep. Yep. Okay. The trust.
[01:21:39] Unknown:
Now the other thing, Paul, and you may be a new, you may not have noticed. He said he he went to the Department of Transportation. Joe's the one that found this, And you can register your private conveyance at the Federal Department of Transportation, and they'll issue you a number. And what some of our people do is take that number and get a private tag made with it. Yes, Paul. Our rep. Paul Brenner. Paul B. Yes. Yes. 1 That's okay. One quick point. Alright. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[01:22:09] Unknown:
One quick point on that. It is not so much that you have transferred ownership of the car over to the state and received a certificate of beneficial title, which is what it actually should be titled. It is the adhesion contracts that are implied in the application process for that registration. You are agreeing to be, to waive your rights. You're agreeing to abide by all of the statutes, acts, and codes applied in the motor vehicle code. You are agreeing That's correct. You're basically promising to be their slave.
[01:22:49] Unknown:
You you said it's got Correct. It's got a recognizance in it, Paul.
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Yes.
[01:22:56] Unknown:
Right. Okay. Well Alright. And and I just wanted to hopefully shed light on that. And I've I've learned something, and I appreciate the the feedback. I wanna give big kudos to Joe. He's my new hero. I'm going through some similar situations as he is. I do have a question for Joe. When all this is resolved, does he plan on going back civilly and claiming for damages because that's kind of where I'm at. I've got a a few situations similar to Joe. And what I'm finding is through these calls, I'm able to get things dismissed or, you know, get things reconciled get things reconciled, get things reconciled to, to my favor. But what I'm finding is if and when I go back to get restitution for damages, that's when things just get all they do is keep passing the buck around the merry-go-round, and I just keep going around and around and around. We're gonna well,
[01:24:09] Unknown:
my observation was would be, do you have any kind of paperwork on file with the secretary of state, Paul, as to your status? I'm working
[01:24:19] Unknown:
I'm working on that right now.
[01:24:22] Unknown:
Okay. Well, alright. Well, that's good. But you didn't have that on file when all this other stuff, your 4 or 5 suits started. So you can't go back and apply that retroactively, I don't think. So that might be somewhat of an impediment for you in that.
[01:24:40] Unknown:
It can be. And and it was lack of knowledge, of course. If I would have known that then, I would have
[01:24:47] Unknown:
Of course, you would have.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
Well, really I keep getting these moments like, oh, I coulda had a VA. You know? Well yeah. Well, my from this call my favorite response is this call
[01:25:00] Unknown:
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Go ahead, Paul.
[01:25:05] Unknown:
Oh, I was gonna say, people from this call have reached out to me and are helping me to, correct my status and get registered with the secretary of state, etcetera. And I appreciate all of that. And, if anyone on here has any information pertaining to, getting a remedy for damages. Like, this man was wrongfully arrested, so was I. Wrongfully detained, so was I. Things of that nature. I would I would be interested because on the other calls I attend, yes, people are, you know, they're fighting back, and and some of them, just like Joe, are winning. However, when you go to seek restitution for your damages or injury Well that's that's when things get really,
[01:26:04] Unknown:
interesting, so to speak. That's why we're so excited about this case is because of Joe, and you've already gotten some sense of who he is and how he approaches things of going back now to your job and these people in the city and getting us some scalps for our belt. We need that for the rest of the country. We need to be able to use them as an example, and I hope I'm not gonna tell Joe what to do. But for all the time and stuff and effort he spent and sacrifice he's made, I believe he thinks he should get a little something for it. And, we'll find out after they get this thing swept under the rug. Joe, if they did that prosecutor, prohibit you or tell you not to talk about this case at all?
[01:26:49] Unknown:
No. But the case is under seal. It's under seal. Now
[01:26:54] Unknown:
are they going to when you cut this deal, are they you look for a provision as to that and whatever paperwork they put in front of you to sign. Okay? Oh, yeah. I will. I'll be they know I'm gonna be reading whatever they hand me. So I'm sure they do. They're very cautious of you. Hold on. There's a female there. There's a female. Yes.
[01:27:16] Unknown:
Roger, I just wanted to say, to tell Joe thank you for sharing his story because it was very inspiring, and it's an example of our duty to do that. Yep. Our duty to to be this way and live private that way. Yeah. How he's how he's giving the example today.
[01:27:35] Unknown:
And, you know, New Jersey's got a reputation as a fairly tough state, folks, if you hadn't heard that before. Now there was somebody Larry, was that you trying to say something?
[01:27:49] Unknown:
Roger. Roger?
[01:27:51] Unknown:
When No. It was it was Rick.
[01:27:54] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Rick?
[01:27:56] Unknown:
Yes, sir. I have suggestion for Joe. I watched Carl Miller on his videos. He went to traffic court all the the time, and he won most of his cases. He's now he's that guy is sharp And the judge that guy is sharp as attack. Go ahead. Okay. When he would win and the judge that's would dismiss the the charges, it was an admission by the court that they had brought frivolous charges, he would have an itemized bill listing all his hours that he spent researching all this listed out all the different cases and laws that he spent research. He would attach a reasonable hourly rate, and he would hand that bill to the judge. And he said that when the court wins, you pay. But when you win, the court has to compensate you. Should be. So I would suggest that Joe do that and make it reasonable, nothing outlandish.
All the time he spent, everything that he's researched, itemize that bill and walk up when they dismiss the case, walk up and hand it to him because he would get paid.
[01:29:03] Unknown:
Very good suggestion. Right? I will do that. That's for sure.
[01:29:07] Unknown:
Good. Good. Good. Now somebody else was trying to say something.
[01:29:12] Unknown:
Roger, this Roger, this is Paul. 1
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oh, go ahead.
[01:29:19] Unknown:
Samuel Cohen there first.
[01:29:21] Unknown:
Samuel. Well, I hadn't been I wasn't getting this yet, but
[01:29:28] Unknown:
we got a passport around here so we don't have all this kind of confusion. So, just like, hey, Roger. Trying to get recognized. Several people wanna say something. Samuel, I believe, was technically before you. Otherwise, I always, as best I can, recognize the ladies first. Samuel?
[01:29:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm getting some feedback, so people who aren't needing to should probably mute. You know, Joe, about a year and a half ago, I put your name in the margins of when I was reading Brost's piece. And according to Brost, you have a really good shot at the Supreme Court. Now let me tell you why. Give me a moment to read something from Brost here. He says within the 14th amendment, the people have their property reclassified into a lienable right as in Roman civil law. The result is the people have sold into slavery serfdom of the trust.
Thomas Jefferson said, the land belongs to the living. When a person is civilly dead to the law, he is as good as being when he is civilly dead to the law, he is as good as being physically dead. He or she cannot own property in the absolute sense. It's pure law. The question is often, the question often raised by individuals who are aware of the hurdles of the court system is, how are you assured that you will be dealt most fairly in a court system? Hang on. I got a certain page here. K. He says, first of all, we know the lower court judges are going to be ignorant of public municipal law for private purposes or separation of powers principle.
They have been born and raised, so to speak, in the trust system and it is codes. The only way, we may get due process is to appeal to the appellate court. In other words, when you deal with issues of law, the lower courts want these issues dealt with by the more qualified higher courts. The second question that follows is, how do you know the Supreme Court of the United States will hear your case? Many may not know that there are 2 floors to the Supreme Court building itself. The second floor has not been used since 1933 when the people gave up their law, their gold.
The second floor represents the higher law. It is that higher law that is being accessed with this approach. Anytime the higher law is at issue, US constitutional issue, the Supreme Court has to hear the case. There is no option. Fourteenth Amendment citizens do not have the prerogative of being held at that level of law because they are operating at law outside Constitution. So the judge is right there where I think you could take it to him at that level.
[01:32:55] Unknown:
Well, what would you have to do? Refuse their offer to drop the drop the their drop in the charges and dis in the case? How could you continue to, be a belligerent claimant here?
[01:33:11] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's a good point. If they were to pursue it, then I would I could take the claim like that. But if they drop it, then I have nothing to get above. Yeah. No. They're they're already saying they lost. Well,
[01:33:24] Unknown:
you could bring a suit, basically. I think if when I if I understand Burrows right, and that's why I wish more people would read this because it's worth discussing. He's basically saying that Swift versus Tyson would have I say because he doesn't talk about nationals either. A lot of these guys are on point. They don't know about the national status. Correct. Now that he he does it. He gets out of the 14th Amendment by making a declaration within his community in the state, okay? But what he does claim that I think is valid for us as nationals is that we are under Swift versus Tyson and we are protected from Commerce because of that.
And if they would not wanna hear this case, but this would be something at that constitutional level that nationals, I think, could bring as a lawsuit.
[01:34:20] Unknown:
Right. I agree.
[01:34:23] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Samuel. Because nearing
[01:34:26] Unknown:
in the argument in Erie Railroad, when they overturned Swift versus Tyson, we still had, common law protections in the higher courts and in the federal court. And what happened is I think that was a setup case. Just like many of the other constitutional overturns, what they did is they took a guy that was a citizen and tried to give him state rights, and it was refused. And that's what because there were no state citizens left, like, the title of of Brose's book is the republic that nobody lives in, and that's what he's talking about.
[01:35:06] Unknown:
He wrote another one called USA versus USA, the republic or something. He had another book out there. Yeah. I told you, my friend Ronnie Brown, my dear friend who I went through all this stuff with, from the very first meeting I ever went to after the presentation, he went up and spent a week with him up there in Pennsylvania. And his I think he lived in a mobile home out in the woods. Yeah. It's called USA, the Republic, the house that nobody lives in. Okay. Yeah. No. He's a very credible guy, and he just all all they just don't have the finesse, that extra little finesse of understanding that we've got.
Just like Barnes and and and and Levin on Monday. They were right on it, man, and they still couldn't see it.
[01:35:54] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Exactly. And that's why Yes. That's why this never gets brought to that second floor, I guess. Right? Yeah. Supreme Court. Because I closed 23.
[01:36:04] Unknown:
Well, don't forget it's also got the 10 commandments chiseled up there in the granite. Yes, Paul?
[01:36:10] Unknown:
We've got a number of hands up. Daniel area code 413. He had some feedback, so I muted him. And I have opened his line now if he's got something to add. Plus, we have Mark and Sketch with their hands here as well. Ah, our is here.
[01:36:27] Unknown:
Daniel, yes. Do you have a question or comment?
[01:36:30] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I hope Joe's still on. Joe, how are you doing, bro? I've been watching you since the the first day I saw you with the pickle man. It's so I have a case showing up on Monday. They they, I've so I've I move around without a license. I finally got pulled over, and, and, I went to a show cause hearing, and they said we're moving along. And then next thing you know, I hear nothing, and then they had an arraignment and didn't notify me. They're gonna say they did, but I had 3 people watching the mail. I was never notified. So the lady said, I better get in there. I couldn't go in Friday, but I'll be I think I have to go in on Monday, you know, coming up. And I my question is for you a couple things, like, how do you find the law amongst all of the myriad subterfuge, the actual enacting law that gives them the force in the first place like you did? You went hunting around, do you chat GPT or or it's like it's so hard to find Not a bad idea. Actual
[01:37:34] Unknown:
So, what I did was if you look in your state statutes and you go all the way to the bottom, it cites the authority and the origination of those statutes. So that's why I say, like, the statutes are evidence of law, but not the law themselves. So they cite where it came from on the bottom. Now, they're usually like it'll say like it'll be weird. You have to kind of look at, your your state legislation and see what they're calling things and they abbreviate it. So it'll be like our dot s dot and then a number, and you're like, I don't even know what that is. But, you know or whatever. It could be whatever abbreviation it is depending on the state, and that's that is citing the actual enacted, laws.
And then you go to those books. You got to go find the books for that. Most of it's online now. Sometimes it's not. So you can go to the local library. They usually some library in your area would have those books if they don't have it online. And then you can go find the legislation. They're they're usually called session laws,
[01:38:45] Unknown:
in the states. Say that word slowly.
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Session.
[01:38:50] Unknown:
Oh, session laws.
[01:38:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Session laws. Okay. And then, it I mean, it varies from state to state a little bit. So you have to get familiar with your state code or your state statutes and and what the legislation passes law. And then, but the statutes will always refer to it. Right? And then once you go and read those, you can see what it actually says, and a lot of those things are modified. You know? It's kinda weird. Like, sometimes some of those if the statute has nothing, no sighted authority, that means it's totally invalid on its face, and you can challenge it in the court by just saying where's the enacting clause for the statute? And if they can't provide it, then it has no authority at all because and then you can cite your state constitution saying, well, it says that all laws have the, enacting clause. And here's the enacting clause for the laws for the state of and this thing, I don't find an enacting clause. Did you find 1?
And if they can't find 1, technically, they're not supposed to bring those charges. They have to drop those charges because the judge would have to decree that. Yeah, since under the constitution of the state and he's bound by that state constitution, since that enacting clause isn't there, they can't bring they can't they can't use those charges because there's no law behind it. There's no authority behind that statute.
[01:40:14] Unknown:
Boy, talk about the situation where we're causing people in those places to learn to hate the constitution. It's it's wow. The place right for that. Next thing was just, so yeah. Let's see. Can I add to the Is there any way to get your
[01:40:33] Unknown:
Can I add that real quick? Oh, sure. Yeah. Let Mark let Mark put something in here.
[01:40:38] Unknown:
On on your looking at these laws and doing your research, almost every county courthouse that I know has a law library, and they got people that can help you hunt for what you're looking for. So if you don't have anywhere else to go, I would start with my county courthouse, and they can put you in the right direction as far as, like, what Joe was saying. You know, this statute has underlying and typically what it's called is session laws where the legislators hold sessions, they pass law that's forwarded to the governor, and they sign it and enact it. That's normally usually called session law.
And all the statutes are just a private compilation of the session law for reference purposes only. It's not actually law. So Right. Statutes and codes in your state are only for reference purposes. And they're supposed to, like Joe said, have an underlying enactment of law passed by your legislators in your state.
[01:41:47] Unknown:
So No. That that that's wicked helpful, and thank you for that. Joe, is there any way to either get in touch with you or at least, get those first couple of affidavits that you had, entered into so I can just sort of see how you were saying it. I'm I feel ready to stand. I don't know everything, and these guys are gonna railroad me. I may have to simply capitulate and then rescind thereafter. I I don't know. But where are you? Where are you? What state? I'm in Massachusetts, by the way. I'm in Massachusetts.
[01:42:16] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, this is Dan.
[01:42:20] Unknown:
This is Dan. How are you doing? Longmeadow. How are you doing? Dan. Okay. I didn't recognize I got a case. I'm one of the ones standing like the lady, before had said, we have a duty. I chose to take that on, and here we are.
[01:42:34] Unknown:
Comment?
[01:42:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Hold on. You you asked a question about Joe on how to get him? Joe, you want Yeah. Just either get get you Joe if you can. And if not, just to get a hold of your affidavit just so I can sort of peruse it along with what I've been writing.
[01:42:51] Unknown:
I'll I'll give you my email. I mean, the only affidavit I put in was my my affidavit of national status.
[01:43:02] Unknown:
Yeah. You if you don't well, Joe,
[01:43:05] Unknown:
if you don't mind giving it out over the ear, Dan will take it. And if you don't mind, I'll just go to your website. I think you have a website. Right? Or
[01:43:13] Unknown:
But, no, I'm I'm gonna tell you. It's it's everywhere. It's the letter j l u s [email protected].
[01:43:30] Unknown:
Thank you so much. 47. Good. I Yeah. 247. That's so cool. Did, did, writ. I thought writs were something that courts issued. So when we issue a writ, it's not that we're necessarily issuing the writ. We're issuing what would be available on a writ that a judge would then sign off on. Is that This is a special action. It's a writ of.
[01:43:56] Unknown:
It's a common law writ, and it's brought by the Joe representing the people. So it's a little bit different from a writ they'd issue that you'd read about from revolutionary times or something.
[01:44:11] Unknown:
Okay. That that's cool. And
[01:44:13] Unknown:
I thought I thought I was there to, to point out how they're not eligible to be in their office potentially.
[01:44:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Well Well they're not eligible to hold the city. It is.
[01:44:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Right. Right. Right. So good.
[01:44:32] Unknown:
Dan?
[01:44:34] Unknown:
Yeah? For for what, Joe did, he used his affidavit of citizenship evidence, and he weaponized it. He weaponized it with his knowledge and his lawful legal criticism and everything else that he researched.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
You're kinda like Paul in Kentucky. You've already got stuff going, and now you wanna file the affidavit. Unfortunately, 2 months an affidavit in the beginning. Okay. Well, would you okay. I well, we don't know which 1 or I but roll ahead. So, anyway, that's would be my comment. Mark, good to hear your voice, sir.
[01:45:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. You too, bro. Any advice, you're telling me because I'm going looks like I'm going in on Monday, and I'm just curious. They put a warrant out for me, and the cops were here Thursday night, and I just didn't answer the door. Yeah. Because I didn't know. I kept checking to see if something had happened. Nothing was going on. Then finally, there was a thing. I said I was never notified of the arraignment. You missed it. Failure to appear. There's a warrant. And I said, well, am I gonna be arrested if I walk in there? It's like, well, just, you know, she wouldn't answer. So I don't know if anyone has any Well, I anything. I'm like, I They gotta have you know, if you say you never got noticed, now you're talking due process.
[01:45:51] Unknown:
Okay? That's a legitimate objection for you. Mhmm. Tom Dee was trying to say something. Tom?
[01:46:00] Unknown:
Hey. That's a that's a great story, especially for New Jersey. In fact, I was a member of the Fraternal or Police up in Ridgefield for years years. But, would instead of having said what he said when he got stopped, you know, I'm not really in my 4th, 5th, and 6th. I wonder if you had said, aren't you supposed to read me my rights at a traffic stop? And I wonder if that would have, you know because I think these cops, when they hear somebody start quoting the constitution and stuff like that, start quoting articles that they, you know, they're they burrow up on you, and they go really bananas. And they think, you know, know, you're some kinda you know, I'm wondering if, that might have made a difference, you know, and if there are other people too in the future.
[01:46:47] Unknown:
You know, I hate to say it, but our movement in itself has sabotaged itself with so many people. And and I'm not saying they were doing wrong, but they're out there doing the best they can. But there's just a lot of mis and disinformation out there. That's what make what's makes what we do here so damned important, folks.
[01:47:08] Unknown:
Okay? I could just imagine that you say that to the cop and the cop says, well, you know, we only do that if you're under you know, if we put you under arrest. Oh, so I'm not under arrest? No, sir. You're not under arrest. Okay. Can I go? No. You can't. Or then I'm under arrest. You know? You know, Joe was Joe was quoting that same arrogant cop, some law, and the guy goes, I I don't take my law from you. I get it from the academy and the chief of police or the district attorney or something. Arrogant. But, I mean, yeah, the fact that he, the fact that he, you know, quoted Miranda I don't know if he quoted Escobedo or not, but, and just something, you know, I'm gonna let you go right after this.
If any if if you know, a lot of people think, you know, it's trading with the enemy or something, but find your local, fraternal or police organization or something like that. Send them a freaking donation. Get a sticker for the back window of your car. You do not understand how much that will make a difference in the way cops treat you. Okay? Even in Ridgefield, New Jersey. And, I'm I'm just telling you that, sales advice. Any of those organizations you show them your supporter, they get you don't know how many times that I've, you know, been told, okay. Well, just slow down or just do this or that. You know, even though I have a star I have a I have a member star on my plate, not an associate member. But it's a, it you you'd be surprised what'll happen, how much of a difference it'll make. You know? 2nd time in a day, honey draws more flies than vinegar.
Yep. Yep. It's, you know, it's it's keep your friends close, your enemies closer.
[01:48:42] Unknown:
Why not? Have a good day. Great story. Thank you, Tom.
[01:48:46] Unknown:
Are you there, Larry?
[01:48:48] Unknown:
Okay. I wanna answer it. I won't, but somebody will. Yes. Who is who is you?
[01:48:55] Unknown:
Oh, it's Samuel. I I wondered what led Joe to want to, what did he say he did with the names? He,
[01:49:06] Unknown:
trademarked.
[01:49:08] Unknown:
Trademarked. What led him to do that? I'd like him to get a little in more into that if he might. Yeah. And how? How do you do that? I wondered about that too. So alright. So trademarking, what I found out because they all have qualified immunity.
[01:49:23] Unknown:
Okay? Like, everything that you do, holds, you you can't do anything with these guys, because they they have qualified immunity. Yep. I did find out in on the federal level, they lose qualified immunity under the, under the trademark. They're not allowed to they're not allowed to do anything with trademarks. Okay, or violate any any provisions of trademarking. So, by trademark by having a trademark and they violate the provisions of the trademark, they actually lose qualified immunity.
[01:50:03] Unknown:
Damn. Why would that be?
[01:50:06] Unknown:
They take these trademarks pretty seriously. I I you know, that really got me. I said, when I saw it, I said, wow. That's really, really interesting. So Uh-huh.
[01:50:18] Unknown:
I I decided to go trademark the name. So you can do a you can do a poor man's trademark, or is that a copyright? Like, musicians will do something else. Well, you know. That's copyright.
[01:50:29] Unknown:
Okay. How do you do the copyright? They didn't they didn't care about the copyright, but the trademark, they reacted to.
[01:50:36] Unknown:
And how do you trademark the the the What's the process?
[01:50:41] Unknown:
Okay. So the way I did it was I found that the Minnesota Secretary of State's office issues trademarks for $70. Okay? And under the full faith and credit, you know, provision under the constitution, it can be honored in in all 50 states. So I just did it there because you could do it online and it cost $70, and I kept trademarking the name.
[01:51:09] Unknown:
That's equal protection. That's equal protection that that makes it apply to all the state.
[01:51:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. Hey, Dan. This is Mark. And straw man is buddy. He's our ego. Straw man, and Dan's new, and and he hadn't met you yet because March been sick. So, anyway, he's getting weller, and he's back with us. So there's an introduction to all the new people. Awesome.
[01:51:37] Unknown:
So you just asked for a trademark from the secretary of state's office of your state? Is that what you're saying?
[01:51:42] Unknown:
No. Of Minnesota.
[01:51:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Minnesota. You could do it online. But
[01:51:47] Unknown:
oh, you do it through Minnesota, period. I get it. Yep. Yeah. I just did do Minnesota. It's $70,
[01:51:53] Unknown:
and then the name is trademarked, and you can keep spelling the name differently every single time. Each one's a different trademark. So Wow. And it acts as like a it's funny. So I have a friend who, you know, he doesn't like getting involved in this thing with no taxes or anything like that. And he said, well, I know you're into this stuff. Do you have any tax advice for me that legally could help me, like, reduce my tax liability? I said, Well, if you go and get your name trademarked right or do it as a DBA, like a doing business name, Now everything that you pay for would be considered a tax write off because it would be for the trademark or for your business name. So, like, you buy groceries for your house, well, that's you're using as a trademark. You can write it all off. And he's like, I'm gonna do that. So he's been doing that with success, and the, the IRS even recognizes it now. So he's got the Well,
[01:52:50] Unknown:
you know, it may be a sad thing. Would you ever regret the IRS getting yanked out by the roots, which is what they're talking about doing in the near future, by the way? Mhmm. So Roger. With Joe. I'm I'm just proud of you. Yeah, Larry.
[01:53:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering if Joe's gonna take, Tom d's advice and contribute to the local order fraternity order of police that that cop is involved in in his community.
[01:53:24] Unknown:
Maybe he can take some of the proceeds from the maybe he can take some of the proceeds from the judgment on the suit against him and and do that. Go ahead.
[01:53:35] Unknown:
Yeah. So I was wondering if Joe was able to find out if all of these public officials that were coming against him, if they had oaths of office on on file and if he hasn't checked into that, if he's going to. And then the next thing is another student said, oh, you should just make out a bill and have a reasonable fee or compensation. So I say go after them in federal court and try to get 6 figures. And then my third question is on that form that you fill out to trademark your name, you put all the different variations of your name on one form because it sounded like you kept going back and forth getting you know, whenever you saw a different name change, you had to go trademark that name. I'm wondering if you could just do it all at once.
[01:54:27] Unknown:
Larry, are you next in line? Because we got people lined up, and you just butted in and asked your questions. Well, we wanna get I know, Marty. I
[01:54:39] Unknown:
always wait for Roger to recognize me. And I don't see the room with the hands up, so I kinda rely on Paul or Mark to tell us that.
[01:54:48] Unknown:
And, Larry, have you not asked some questions and made some comments earlier?
[01:54:53] Unknown:
Yeah. He's pretty he's vociferous, Larry is.
[01:54:57] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't know if I might comment in. Sketch is waiting.
[01:55:02] Unknown:
Please do. So who are hold that if you could hold those, we'd appreciate it. Yeah. We don't have much time, so get get in with it. Yeah.
[01:55:11] Unknown:
No. You have to do one name at a time.
[01:55:15] Unknown:
Okay. $70 a pop.
[01:55:20] Unknown:
Yeah. So I did I did one for the way the name is spelled on the driver's license, and the passport, which is the same. I did it on the way the tickets were originally written. I did it for the way they spelled the name on the court on the court documents. And and then when they kept altering it, I kept changing it each and every time. And they just finally, after a while, just like, forget it. You know, he they they are playing a name game. That that I thought was really interesting. A word game for sure. It's all words. Yep. The different alterations and spellings of it. So I I took them all, and I sent them all to them. And I said, these are all business names, that I'm using as trademarks.
So and under and here's the code. Okay? It's 15 US code, 1122. And it says that the United States, all agencies and instrumentalities thereof, and all individuals, firms, corporations, or other persons acting for United States oh, sorry. It says, they shall not be immune from suit in federal or state court by any person, including any governmental or nongovernmental entity for any violation under this chapter. This chapter is about trademarks. So when I saw that, I said, oh, this is how you this is how they can this is how you waive sovereign immunity. Right?
Waiver of sovereign immunity by states and says that they're not free from, I can sue them in federal court if they violate my trademark.
[01:56:53] Unknown:
Damn.
[01:56:53] Unknown:
So that's So yeah. Yeah. So I said, that's a big deal. So I went and did that to see how they would react to it. And sure enough, the the the county didn't want to deal with it. They just dropped it. But the municipal court, you know, the little town court, they they were like, they kept changing the names. So now I got a whole bunch of these, trademarks, and, I'm gonna go send it off to the secretary of state, for the state and just, you know, file that with some other paperwork and just saying, hey, look, now let's protect all your agents in the future. Just so you know that this is trademark, if any of them use it against me, I I you guys are you have no sovereign immunity in federal court, and I have every intention to sue and get, compensated for any violation of my trademark.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
You know, Joe, in the 30 something years I've been messing with this, I don't think I've ever heard this brought up before that I can remember.
[01:57:48] Unknown:
Hey, Rog?
[01:57:49] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:57:51] Unknown:
Mark, do you have any more questions?
[01:57:56] Unknown:
I wanna see is there anybody holding their hand up that we can ignore. Ahead, Scott. I'll just Okay. Yeah. I'll just share mine with privately with Joe. So Okay. Sounds good.
[01:58:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I just have 2 quick comments and and one question. Joe, congrats. And, you know, Brent is gonna have to learn a new adage and that is it's another example of Joe keeping the municipal man down to the letter of the law.
[01:58:27] Unknown:
Now that'll be Brent will have to learn that. Oh, Brent Arborette. Yeah. I got you.
[01:58:32] Unknown:
Yeah. And he definitely brings a new perspective of keeping the man down. So my question is, does a sealed case make precedent or not?
[01:58:43] Unknown:
No. Nobody can see it. It it means precedent that we're on over the target. Go ahead. What's your answer, Joe?
[01:58:54] Unknown:
I I was gonna say, so after I had done this, I have a friend who's friends with, like, a retired secret service guy or something something like that. And, he went and got his passport changed and updated, and he, he contacted his friend and said, could you run this passport and see if this is legit? And his friend ran and goes, yeah. This is kinda weird. It says that you're a national, not a US citizen. And he goes, oh, wow. Okay. So this passport thing is legitimate. So then he's telling me about this, and I said, well, could he run my passport? I'd like to see what it says.
And so he, yeah, he called he calls his friend up. His friend says, sure. Send it over to me. I'll go run-in this in the federal system and see what comes back and let him know. So, the guy calls my friend up and he goes, do you know this guy? And he goes, yeah. He goes, how well do you know this guy? He's like, why? What's up? He goes, I can't access this guy's records. The only thing I can see is an arrest from when he was 18, and he has some kind of, corporation in Minnesota. I have no access to anything else. And and and my friend says, well, is that is that normal? He goes, no. That's very, very odd.
[02:00:11] Unknown:
Didn't they say you could see the case, but it was under seal?
[02:00:15] Unknown:
Yeah. He said he could see that there was a court case, but they wouldn't show what city he was in, or the state. And and he couldn't get any other information other than there was some kind of sealed case, and most of the other records are sealed. Almost everything in my record is is sealed now for some reason.
[02:00:37] Unknown:
Mhmm. What was going on, do you think?
[02:00:40] Unknown:
I I think it's all the stuff I put into the court case. It's all this court case. They don't want anybody to see that. Yeah. I also sent this will get sent out to the the governor's office. This was sent out to the secretary of state for the state, the attorney general. So I I think they were like, you know, let's cover up as much of this stuff as we can from this guy's stuff in the system so people can't see it. I don't know. I'm just that's my speculation.
[02:01:05] Unknown:
Well, it leaves them hanging out vulnerable all over the state for anybody else. They pursue on this level if they're smart enough and have the initiative and the gumption. They don't want people going in just recopy of that and filing it. I mean, obviously, it's big mojo. K?
[02:01:25] Unknown:
Russia ask a question?
[02:01:28] Unknown:
One one second. Mark Mark, I wanted to let you know that we are running overtime. So if you wanted to, pose your question to Joe, we're still on the air, and we do have a couple more questions. 1 from Dan and one from Rochelle.
[02:01:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, first thing I wanna point out is, whenever you file something, whether it be a motion or you're writ of prohibition, or you're you're writ of parental, you are the moving party, and you're the one that has to make things happen. You don't sit back and wait for the court to do something. So, like, if I file a motion in a court proceeding, I'm responsible for finding a potential court date to have a hearing on that motion. I usually contact the judge's office, talk to the clerk, and say, I need to set a hearing for this motion for whatever you filed, name of your motion, motion to dismiss, motion for summary judgment, motion for whatever.
And then they'll give you a date, and then you contact the other your opposing parties and ask them if this date and time is good for them. If they say no, then you gotta go back to the judge's office and try to set another one. I usually try to ask for at least 3 dates that I can give the opposing party. And then if, if they won't agree to it, then I'll just ask the court to set one. But you have to move on it. You can't just file something and and expect the court to do the rest of the work. You have to follow-up on it. Yep. Yep. The writ of prohibition that you filed should have worked, had it been pursued as far as throwing out the criminal cases.
But I'm thankful that you didn't pursue it like you probably should have or could have. And I'm so thankful that it led to your Cloronto because if if if your Cloronta is is granted, it dissolves that city and a receivership has to be appointed, and then you and the people of that city, that township, get to determine how they want to move forward. Do they want to, you know, start another town and and put new officers in place? And if you're gonna start another town, I think you need to have, you know, the name Lustica in the township somewhere. You know, name it after yourself, and then,
[02:04:04] Unknown:
you know, maybe you're the mayor.
[02:04:07] Unknown:
Lustica ville. Makes me think of Margaritaville. So,
[02:04:16] Unknown:
I can't I can't abridge the name either though because then it just sounds inappropriate.
[02:04:23] Unknown:
I would I would say that,
[02:04:25] Unknown:
the name
[02:04:28] Unknown:
The name the street the courthouse is on needs to be Lustica
[02:04:32] Unknown:
Lane. Yes. See, if you can get that in the settlement Name a street after yourself. There you go. Tell you what, I literally and then another thing for people that are interested in, you know, kind of following in Joe's footsteps, there is an easier way. You take everything that Joe's done as far as all the traffic and and figure out where you can prove on paper that that their traffic laws don't apply to you, and then you go to your county court and you file a petition for declaratory judgment. So now you're not under the gun. You're not looking at any kind of fines or fees or your tow your car getting towed or any of that, and you ask the court to make a determination whether those traffic laws apply to you or not.
So you can take a preemptive strike without running around risking everything because you changed the tags on your car and so forth. So you can you can confirm it first and get a judge to make a determination. And if if it isn't if the judge rules wrongly, you believe, you could take it up on appeal. But be very careful because you can set case precedent at a higher level. And a municipal court does not have a case precedent. So Nope. Even with Joe's, Lynn, even if it wasn't sealed, you know, it doesn't have case precedent. But it does allow other people to go in with his his writings, and they don't want that. So That's what they don't want is duplication. Right. Now I believe Joe, since he wasn't under a gag order like Trump, he could share whatever documents he wants from his case.
But the general public cannot go into the court and get documents out of the case
[02:06:22] Unknown:
file. But, you know, this is what happened
[02:06:24] Unknown:
when Tom Schauff was doing that, all this stuff on the monetary system and that was structured. He'd take clients in and, on the fact that the bank never loaned them any money, and they'd give them the keys to the house and put the case under seal.
[02:06:40] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Are they still issuing noncommercial DOT tags or numbers?
[02:06:49] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. They are.
[02:06:51] Unknown:
Okay. Because I heard a rumor that they they weren't, so I was just kinda curious. So but please, everybody listening, you know, be be there's a you saw what Joe went through. It's a lot of work, and you gotta you gotta find those laws that apply in your state.
[02:07:07] Unknown:
So, anyway, I yield. Thank you very much. Okay. Joe, when you did the when you did the trademarking my head. So Go ahead.
[02:07:17] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[02:07:19] Unknown:
When you did the trademarking, did you use your Social Security number?
[02:07:23] Unknown:
You don't need to.
[02:07:25] Unknown:
Okay. No. I'm making sure. That was it I opened.
[02:07:28] Unknown:
Was there somebody that had their hand open? I don't have Rochelle, I think. The forum. So part who was it, Paul?
[02:07:36] Unknown:
Rochelle, I think. Rochelle.
[02:07:38] Unknown:
Rochelle?
[02:07:39] Unknown:
Yes. I'm on the voice phone. Thank you. Okay. I had a question. On on when the case was sealed by the state, it appears to me that, one, the state's protecting their interest, and therefore, they must also be protecting mine. Where's the duality there that we need to look at?
[02:08:10] Unknown:
Well, I know they're they're covering their ass for sure. I don't know about yours. But Well they don't put cases, under seal. I don't think willy nilly, do they, Mark? You I mean, you might hear about them in our areas, but overall, they don't put too many cases under seal, do they?
[02:08:30] Unknown:
No. Not unless it involves, like, the privacy of the parties. You know? You can add you or medical. Like, if you put medical information in, you can ask for just that medical information to be sealed so only the judge and opposing party can see it. Yeah. The parties can ask for it to be sealed, but usually, the court, will have some you're gonna find it let me back up. Usually, you're gonna find it, like, where the where the state or the court have an interest in in making sure the public doesn't get a hold of it. And I've seen some people using kind of, like, our our language, if you will. They'll go up front and just say, this is not for public consumption. This is not for public. And they'll ask the court to seal the case from the very beginning.
[02:09:24] Unknown:
Oh, yes.
[02:09:25] Unknown:
Is there is there a process to unseal a case?
[02:09:32] Unknown:
Yes. There is. But I think it's the parties that are involved that have to ask for it.
[02:09:38] Unknown:
Yep. So, Rochelle
[02:09:42] Unknown:
of state is to protect the people, And so, therefore, that should be right up front if they are going to seal the case, not only to protect the state, but the reason being the state protects us because they're doing our representation
[02:10:03] Unknown:
that we give them, or they've broken trust with us. No. They've broken trust with us a long time ago. We're trying to struggle to get it back on an individual basis. Okay. Does anybody Rochelle, are you new? Or yeah. It seems like we've spoken before. You have you been around before? We have.
[02:10:21] Unknown:
We haven't, and I haven't been listening, but I'm gonna start listening again. I'd like to revisit this case again after studying it next Saturday if Joe would I have a lot of questions on it. It's very pertinent to everybody on this call, I believe. And thank you. I yield
[02:10:44] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Michelle. Well, you can revisit by going back and listening to everything that he said on this is obviously, recorded and will be in the archives. If there's any new developments, I wouldn't mind revisiting it. I don't know about just going over it again, and you can, Joe gave his email. If you don't catch him on the show here, you can write him an email. Yes. Who is from 1 and 1?
[02:11:16] Unknown:
The purpose, excuse me, the purpose would be to, apply it. Thank you.
[02:11:23] Unknown:
The purpose would be to what, Rochelle?
[02:11:27] Unknown:
To show how we could apply it in our counties individually so that the Okay. Power continues of what he's done.
[02:11:35] Unknown:
Well, that's why we wanted to get him on today to get the story out there and let people know, and it's still not decided totally. We gotta get that case closed, and, he's gonna go back and see if he wants to oh, hold on. Roger? Maybe AWOL. May I?
[02:11:57] Unknown:
Roger?
[02:11:58] Unknown:
Oh, hold on a second. Yeah. Okay. What? 15 15 minutes?
[02:12:04] Unknown:
Well, I'm asleep now, so see you, like, in 5:5:10
[02:12:06] Unknown:
minutes. Okay. Well, drag your feet. I'm still on the back end of this show, but I'll close it out. Okay? See you in a minute. Okay. Bye. Alright. Sorry, guys. I gotta go. So, you got anything for me? For me? Yeah. Hey. I I got a
[02:12:26] Unknown:
Hey, you know, Joe said that case was dismissed, but it's not necessarily discharged. What what they're really doing is they're doing a debt collection process. They're creating a debt and then they're trying to collect it. That's really a fair debt collections, operation to the corporation. And the guy could do that fair debt collections and demand that they come forward with the CUSIPs, the bonds, and ask for all that pertinent information that they're trying to do the revenue collecting with. But, you know, even though they said it's sealed, that don't mean it's discharged, and they're still taking off the back end of it.
So with that CUSIP, you could get all that information, a yield.
[02:13:14] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:13:16] Unknown:
Oh, Roger left. I was gonna say, I was gonna thank Roger, for giving me the time today to, you know, share that, you know, the case with everybody.
[02:13:28] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:13:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you for bringing it to us, Joe. I'm everybody has been, waiting with literally bated breath to see how, your situation was gonna play out. And I don't know. I'm thinking, oh, damn. I had his name. I had his name. Okay. I lost it. Sorry.
[02:14:02] Unknown:
I have I got a question for Joe. This is Larry.
[02:14:07] Unknown:
Hey.
[02:14:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, I had a question before. I think you might have forgotten it because I threw a couple of questions at the same time. But are you did you check out the oath of office for all of those officials that come up against you? And if not, are you going to?
[02:14:30] Unknown:
I I didn't. I don't think I'm going to need to at this point. But it's I do have the bond amounts for for all the judges in the state, and, they're usually bonded around $1,000,000. So I thought that was really interesting find as oh, look at that. That's quite a bit, and only the chief of police is bonded. The the the the individual cops are not, and the sheriff is bonded as well, which the oath is connected with the bond. So but, I didn't go find those. I actually did, I did send into the court. I needed I wanted to get their oath of office and their, anti bribery statement and their, their far registration, which they denied.
They refused to hand any of that stuff over to me. So that was that was another thing I added in, but it it it I don't think that really did much. That's why I didn't mention it.
[02:15:40] Unknown:
Hey, Joel. Yeah? I came up with that name. I think we could just gonna start referring to you as Carl Miller 2.0.
[02:15:53] Unknown:
Well, you know, actually, it was it was Carl Miller, like, his video where he was talking about dissolving the state that's or the city is when I went and I actually went and bought the book, that has those forms in there. That's how that's where I got it from. It's, American Jurisprudence Pleading and Practice forms, and there's one for Quo Lourento. And, in there, it has that thing with the receiver. So you have to there's stuff you have to do on the back end before you can do that, like the receiver and set that up, and you have to list the city out as the defendant. So but that's what I did. I went and just got the I just went and bought the book. Those books are, like, $500 a piece, so they're not cheap. But, you know, obviously, they don't like it when you use their stuff against them.
[02:16:49] Unknown:
Oh, absolutely not. American Jurisprudence Legal Forms?
[02:17:00] Unknown:
Yeah. It's, yeah. So this one, the one that has the co warrantos in there, it's called American it's called American Jurisprudence Pleading and Practice Forms Annotated, State and Federal, and it goes and this book is, volume 21, Quo Warrento to Sales is what it is. That's the one I got. That's the one that has this stuff in there. And, and here here's what I'll do if you want. I'll read the very beginning part of this whole thing with the. Says the governing principles. Right? The right to institute quo warranto proceedings resides in the state unless delegated by statute to individuals.
And it says, generally, it is the duty of the attorney general, district attorney, or the proper law officer to bring such actions. A private person may not do so except where the proper office officer refuses to proceed or consent to the filing of an information or complaint or unless their private person is granted such right by statute. So I said, well, since he's not acting on it, I can do it. Alright? So, it actually tells you that you have the authority to issue to issue this and then, proceed to act on the the writ when the proper officer refuses to do so.
So it's pretty it's it's pretty powerful. You know? When I talk to, like, lawyers and stuff like that online, they always tell me that everything I say is wrong, that everything I'm doing is incorrect, and, I'm I'm wrong a 100% of the time. And that these books, like these American Jurisprudence books and the Corpus Juris Secundum books have no legal effect and are are basically just valueless, books with no real information is what they always tell you. But when I started utilizing this stuff, apparently, the court seem to really react to it. So and, of course, the books are very expensive.
Alright? You can you can you can actually get all that stuff on Westlaw. But Westlaw has a paywall, which is $1500 a month. And $1500 a month to get past this paywall in order to access this information that the court that that that these lawyers are telling you, is irrelevant. I mean, money talks. So if it's $1500 to access their relevant information, you know, who who would ever buy it? So it definitely has a lot of value to it, and they definitely don't want people to have it. And they keep deterring people from looking into this information and looking into those specific books because it is a compilation of the entirety of our common law and, all the writs, the motions, all of this stuff. Right? Leadings, practice forms. It has I mean, it's just so chock full of of data, and it shows how our country actually operates on a on a legally, how the system works.
And if people actually understood how the system really worked, everyone would be able to stand their rights very easily. Because anyone can pull out a form, fill out the form, and just execute it, you know, to get remedy in the courts.
[02:20:37] Unknown:
But, apparently, you know That was that was a black hardcover book with gold lettering on the front, an outline of the United States, American jurisprudence pleading pleading and practice forms annotated state and federal.
[02:20:55] Unknown:
It's green. Well,
[02:20:56] Unknown:
there oh, it's green. Well, this one is labor and labor relations. There's another one. There's another one. There's another one. Pleadings pleading and practice forms annotated state and federal, a comprehensive carefully compiled and edited collection of pleading and practice forms, including jury instructions keyed to the substantive law in American Juris 2 d and designed to provide dependable forms for all types of pleading and procedural steps in civil proceedings, state and federal. Does that sound right?
[02:21:36] Unknown:
Yeah. That's right.
[02:21:39] Unknown:
Put me a phone call.
[02:21:42] Unknown:
Joe, those attorneys are probably correct what they're saying, but they're talking about citizens. They're not talking about nationals.
[02:21:50] Unknown:
Well, yeah. Hey, Joe. Where are you going with that corpus juris secundum in your hand?
[02:21:59] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:22:01] Unknown:
Well Well, yes. I mean, I get what they're saying. Like, it it doesn't it's not law. Like, when people cite it, it's not a law that you're citing, but it is a legal reference just like the statutes are legal references. They cited as if it were law and it's not. It's just a it's just a reference, just like a dictionary. Right? But it helps you it it it shows you the underlining operations of how things go. And the forms is the I mean, I've seen these forms with other lawyers using them. So I go, well, that's you know, the form books, they're just using forms a lot of the time to to put things together. So a lot of their paperwork comes from these forms. They just have them on the computer. You know, a lot of template and stuff like that.
[02:22:47] Unknown:
Right.
[02:22:49] Unknown:
Hey, Joe? Yeah. When when they, pulled you over after they did that, when they dragged you into court, did you file any discovery, petitions or anything like that?
[02:23:04] Unknown:
No. I never made a mention about discovery, which was real that's why it was so interesting that the prosecutor told me that he had to give me discovery because I never made mention. You know?
[02:23:15] Unknown:
Yeah. I hear last year and they pulled me over. They they took my plate off my car. They called the sheriff over and the sheriff actually went and took the, plate off the car after the the chief of police was sitting in his car, and I got the body cam. And, you know, he he shut the he shut his mic off. He talked to somebody for, like, 9 minutes or 10 minutes. And then the next day he told them, he switched it back on, and the the deputy went to go take the plate off and stuff like that. But I went into court on the initial meal, and they tried to threaten me with contempt and all this stuff. Didn't wanna hear this stuff. And and then they, required that I that we have a motions hearing.
And, well, I didn't I don't do motions, but I I did petitions and I did discovery. And I sent 2 discovery requests, and I had, I think it was 17 questions. And I wanted to know where the state of is located. I mean, they should know that. I want the affidavit from the accusing from the injured party. I wanted their, FARA, so on and so forth. And I demanded those requests. And, well, it comes the day of the hearing. I had some other documents because I never heard nothing. Had other documents that were that I was ready to file into the record. So I went about 15 minutes early, and I walked up to the window and I said, well, I'd like to file these. And he said, oh, your case has been dismissed. I said, really? I said, when did that happen? I said, it'd be nice to let me know so I didn't have to drive all the way over here.
And she said, well, I got an order. And I said, well, could I get a copy of it? And then so, she went back and got me a copy, and I said that I would like to talk to the judge. And I said, I'm I'm here early. I said that I was scheduled for 1:30. And while she said, well, let me go check. She said, well, the judge can't see us. She's studying she's looking reading some documents for the next case. Well, I said, I'm here. It was scheduled, so there should be time. But, you know, there there was a total refusal. But the whole thing, they can't confront the truth. That's their problem.
But, but when you go for damages, make sure I I would always make sure that you demand constitutional money in silver coin or its functional equivalent. And, and that they really have to comply with that because the constitution mandates it. And they're under oath to basically comply with that. So I just wanted to add that I yield.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
That 9 minutes that they conspired against you to take your plate off, you if any if that happens to anybody else, you should get the report, can't, body cam recording and the dispatch recording to defend yourself by yours.
[02:26:15] Unknown:
I've got that. Yes. I've got that. And, you know, to this day, they still, they still haven't returned the plate. But I do have an order or a request from the state attorney to send a a letter down to the, city police and told them to return my plate, my property. And but they they're in denial, but I'm gonna I need to send a bill. I'm gonna charge them maybe, I don't know, a 100 or maybe $1,000 a day for every day that they keep my property without authority. But, and I've I already filed the the fee schedule and all that into the court record. So it's all a matter of record, and I've given them notice of, basically, color of law and how to make the authority and all that.
[02:27:07] Unknown:
In my in my matter of thing. I would think a matter of state court. I would think probably just open up a federal court case, and then cite the constitutional violations, you know, and just go after them civilly for that in federal court. Just bypass the state and try to get a judge that has tenure. So that way you you're dealing with somebody who who isn't beholden to somebody else and, you know, they don't care. They're just gonna go do whatever the whatever the law and constitution says, and they will uphold that. And, yeah, it'll be much easier than trying to fight in the state.
[02:27:46] Unknown:
So Well, I wouldn't wanna open up I wouldn't wanna open up a case and try to fight it with giving the judge discretion. I would wanna exhaust an administrative process first and give them an opportunity to respond and give them a notice of fault, notice the default, and then that the facts are already established. And then I would open the case, and then put that into the record. And the case is really already done because they've had their opportunity to and do everything by affidavit. So they are forced to, acknowledge the facts.
And when they don't and default them out okay. Now you've now you've already won the case. It's just going through the fundamentals through the procedural part of it. Question?
[02:28:38] Unknown:
Go ahead. Question for Daryl. Did you specifically note theft or seizure of property on your fee schedule?
[02:28:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I believe, yes, I do. I do have it.
[02:28:53] Unknown:
Okay. Then all you have to do is just remind the guys that stole your plate that, they're already on notice that theft or seizure of property costs this much. And to date, this is the nearest estimate to what they owe you. Just remind them of that fact. And then when they fail to respond, then that pretty much sets in stone what your value is now, doesn't it?
[02:29:25] Unknown:
Yeah. You established it by, yeah, They're making a record.
[02:29:32] Unknown:
You made the record when you filed the fee schedule. It was in the public. They had access to it. You
[02:29:46] Unknown:
know, these attorneys have a a real driven agenda, and what I see is, you know, before they move on something, they gotta get, basically, consent from their supervisors, their or their higher ups to move forward. Because when he called on that, I couldn't hear the recording of, what he said because he shut the mic off. But he was calling for permission from somewhere of what to do because, you know, I give him my national status and all that kind of stuff, and the car was in a trust. And I was self insured, And they didn't wanna acknowledge it, so they charged me with petition plates, no driver license, no insurance.
Even though I had, he said, why you take it even though I had, self insurance, he said, why you take that up with the court. And but the first thing I asked him, I said I said, proof commerce. Can you prove commerce? Well, he said, well, what did you buy over there when you stopped at big r? I said, well, I picked up a bag of dog food. What's that matter? You know, I shouldn't even ask answer the question, but I did. I said I picked up some dog food, because that isn't commerce. But, you know, that's your your regular business. But, anyway, then I asked him, I said, do you have a warrant? He said, I don't need one.
But this is their belligerence, and this is their, you know, training to always try to take control and stay on top. But anyway, you know, we didn't argue or fight, and I I wanted to get out and take a picture of him taken off that plate. And, you know, he pushed the door shut, and he said, no. You can't get out. Okay. Well so I turned around, and I got him it's on the, the the body cam also. But I turned around, with my phone and took a picture into the back window where he's kneeled down behind my trunk. But, anyway, we still have to settle that matter, but, I put a a foyer request into the city asking for this for their charter and for the county. I want their charter.
And they they haven't, produced it, so I gotta compel that deal too. So this is just a protocol that these agents are basically operating under, and it's basically under the direction of a bar attorney, The county attorney, the city attorney, and it's the same guy. And those notices I've sent out, I mean, he's always listed up on the top somewhere. But these have been noticed of all these crimes. What did we do? Did you, report it to some authority where you know these people are being, forced drugged and poisoned and all this stuff? But, anyway, hopefully, maybe the or somebody will help to prosecute it out.
I hope.
[02:32:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Hopefully. Hey, Joe. Do you are are you done with, like, the 10th or 11th page of your, itemized bill yet? No. Because I know it's gonna be multiple pages. Wow. This, this has been really awesome. Anybody else got any, any other questions for Joe?
[02:33:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Paul, this is Dwayne. You also got a couple questions.
[02:33:33] Unknown:
Okay. Hi, Dwayne.
[02:33:36] Unknown:
Hey. Let me get you all off speaker. There's a ton of, Supreme Court cases and cases all around the country about being able to travel versus driving, travel without a license with that versus driving and bunches and some of the one of those docs citing a bunch of these cases is on the matrix.com site. And I'm wondering, have you thrown any of those cases the fact that you have the right to travel without a license or what, you know, that sort of thing in a private capacity?
[02:34:17] Unknown:
Well, they're they're gonna proceed on the presumption that you're not operating in a private capacity, that you are engaged in commerce purely by virtue of the fact that you're there. That's their presumption. K. And they know nothing about presumption, but
[02:34:33] Unknown:
Yeah. So you would do a motion or maybe an affidavit to file in those court case court cases with some of the sites. Wouldn't that be an appropriate counterattack, a logical counterattack against the presumptions?
[02:34:52] Unknown:
I don't know that, Joe. Do you have any ideas?
[02:34:59] Unknown:
I don't I don't think I'd do a motion. I'd do a I would do a petition,
[02:35:04] Unknown:
you know, that's basically, you know, part 2 guaranteed too. I I could be using the I am using the wrong word then as a motion, but to enter that into the evidence that, you know, the Supreme Court, y'all are gonna ignore the Supreme Court. They don't ignore the Supreme Court when it allows police to inter lie to you during an interrogation. So why would they, you know that's another it's another thought pattern to countermand the oh, we don't go by the spring, but there's also a bunch of court cases too that I've come across in 2 different documents. Some of them have the same cases and some of the cases are different in these two documents.
Because once they deny they're they're they're denying your rights on any level, then I bring a couple of day we a week or 10 days ago on this, I brought up the fact that the USC of, you know, I'm looking up the code now. I don't know where I got it, but it's USC code, about the conspiracy against rights.
[02:36:07] Unknown:
Oh, it's title 18 section 241.
[02:36:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That okay.
[02:36:14] Unknown:
Okay. But but here's the deal. Just another Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. I get what you're saying. Here's the deal. What I have determined, and I don't know if I'm correct or not. I have determined that there is no law in traffic court. The law the only law that applies is what comes out of the administrator's mouth because, they don't wanna hear about the constitution. That's an equity court. I mean, they're they're in contract enforcement and penalty contract, penalty enforcement. That's what they're about Because they're under the presumption that you are under contract with the DMV, with the Department of Public Safety, and everything else to conduct and behave in a certain way and to be, under the rules of the Department of Motor Vehicles and the traffic code.
So the first thing you have to do is, first of all, don't be there. Don't don't set foot in that court because then you're agreeing to that court's jurisdiction. It all has to be done administratively, and you have to challenge based on some of the background that Joe has done. You actually have to show them how they're acting unconstitutionally and let them know that you've only intend to pursue it to the to the fullest extent of the law. You gotta you gotta hit them with a big stick.
[02:37:52] Unknown:
No. I agree. Oh, believe me. I agree. I'm involved in stuff. But about 2 months ago, I was, just to address a couple of other topics. I was, in a parish outside of New Orleans. It's contiguous to, this New Orleans, Jefferson, and then this place, Saint Charles Parish. And I got pulled over, and and 33, Saint Charles Parish sheriff's deputies, agents came up to me, you know, put were were involved in this. I eventually got it. I tried to show them the documents I carry with me, both my affidavits, the one to Secretary of State, the one for the IRS, the notice to agent and notice to agent, the notice to agent's notice to principal, affidavit.
And I what I did was I on those notice once I got my US I mean, my not US, just my national passport card after having submitted the affidavits. I then did a notice to every Orleans Parish. I did it to the and the the Louisiana state attorney general. I did it to the Louisiana Department of Health and Human Services because it was back during COVID. I did it to the NOPD superintendent. I did, copy packages to the you Orleans Parish DA, the Orleans Parish City Attorney, the the local help us the city of New Orleans's help. And on each one of these, I I put the copy of the certified mail and gave all of them the information that I had already delivered all these notices of my status change to, you know, all the officers I just listed.
I had not noticed Saint Charles anybody in Saint Charles Parish. So when I got the ticket for no license, I decided not to fight it because I hadn't noticed anybody in that parish that I had corrected my status and I'm no longer under any of these presumptions of the UCC, and hence, the driver's license codes. But once I did my national status correction and noticed all the people in, you know, the offices in the Orleans Parish, then I busted that presumption. Even though the attorneys I brought this to, cops I brought this to date, and the sheriffs that I was just, deputies that I was explaining this to on the side of the road at 3 o'clock in the morning, they didn't want to know because it works them out of a job is the way I've looked at it.
Because all of a sudden now everything they're doing, there's very little unless you harm a person or their property, a person's property, harm or destroy it or harm or murder a human, there's no other crimes. Under the common law, there are few, but anyway, that's the way I've looked at it. That's how I've handled it. I'm gonna notice Saint Charles Parish, the same the DA, the sheriff's office and probably the mayor at this point. And, because they my goal is to have them learn that there are 2 political statuses in this country. One's been dormant, but is the super is not the we're no longer the inferior US citizen with Proseus and Immunities, now evolved into civil rights. That's the way I'm seeing this thing. So Alright. What I would do include this man
[02:41:08] Unknown:
Hang on. The name of the man. What I would do what I would do is because you're in Louisiana, law in Louisiana is a completely different animal than any other, than any of the other 49 states or territories. Okay? Louisiana is a absolute animal unto its own. So I would go and follow the example of this program and what Joe did is, you're gonna have to do the legwork and you're gonna have to dig out the very basis for why and how they think they have authority over you. And you're gonna have to challenge that at that level because Louisiana's note is different than New York. It's different than Wisconsin. It's different than Minnesota.
It's it's of its own. What is it? Like, still Roman law or whatever?
[02:42:04] Unknown:
The Napoleonic code. But we Yeah. You know, Napoleonic code. Usage
[02:42:08] Unknown:
our revised statutes are the UCC codes I'm in. In the state level. I'm
[02:42:16] Unknown:
in. I'm in. Okay.
[02:42:18] Unknown:
So anyway but I you're right on what it's Napoleonic code is what it was when it was the French law. That's part of the European law and the English form.
[02:42:31] Unknown:
Man. So
[02:42:33] Unknown:
anyway, and I like the the thing that the trademark. We do I just went and looked up the we do have the forms and the same thing that you are using what up in Massachusetts, Jeff. So I'm a go ahead and file some of that.
[02:42:47] Unknown:
He New Jersey. He's he's in New Jersey, but he did it in Minnesota.
[02:42:52] Unknown:
I think if you don't refute the name, you are refuting the fact that you're a national.
[02:43:01] Unknown:
I I I can follow that logic. No. I'm a start taking care of that. Believe me. Come Monday Tuesday. You know? So but, anyway, I appreciate what you've done. I can't wait to go download this show and and listen to the whole thing from the beginning. So, because I always like to learn, and you never know when you might hear something that connects another something I heard a long time ago or yesterday. So Right. Alright. Thanks a lot. I'll talk to you guys and gals later.
[02:43:30] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you. Call. Hey, Joe. His name. Joe, you got anything else to add?
[02:43:36] Unknown:
I I did step I had to step away for a minute because I'm at work. But, so I missed I know someone was, like, asking a question before, but I had to step away.
[02:43:47] Unknown:
He was asking about Louisiana and the Napoleonic code. And the only advice I could give him, even though this this program is not intended to provide legal advice, the only thing I could suggest is do exactly follow your example, do exactly what you did, and go right back to the founding documents for the state or the parish and figure out exactly what authority that they're using to do what they're doing. I think everybody should do that. I mean, just as, just as a a a preparatory exercise, look this stuff up for your state. Have it have a good idea of where it is, and and maybe print it out and make notes of where the stuff is.
You know? Wouldn't you agree?
[02:44:39] Unknown:
Yeah. I would agree.
[02:44:42] Unknown:
Because especially if you're planning on pushing the envelope, Gotta know what kind of a letter op or letter opener they're gonna be using. Rochelle, did you you were trying to get in here a moment ago?
[02:44:56] Unknown:
Then, yes, the man's name that spoke, I'd like his name because what he was doing with his paperwork was establishing that he, as a man living, is operating in good faith. And when he does that with his paperwork, that puts the state and the federal on notice that they've broken the trust. So I'd really like his name if you wouldn't mind giving it. Yeah. No. It's Dwayne. My name is Dwayne, and last name is David
[02:45:27] Unknown:
and Joseph in the middle of that. And and I don't go anywhere in my truck without these documents at my sitting right next to me, and all I do is travel on my, my national passport card. And I get into it with police. I have no problem. I've been being I've been dealing with this at anyway, I have no problem trying to educate people whether they wanna hear it or not. I I will back down, but this is so powerful when we're never taught and there's a saying that I've learned is it's what we don't know, can really hurt us, but what we think we know that just ain't so absolutely creams us.
And that is the premise that I work on. And I've since I was a kid, I didn't let bully bully anybody. Friends, people I don't know, or myself. And that's what this amounts to is people being bullied, and we just have to stand up to them once we understand the strength and the power of what Roger has taught us.
[02:46:37] Unknown:
We're being bullied if our life, liberty, or property is, taken out from under us. And your paperwork that you mentioned is what I'm in I'm interested in going through this class and get in because there's so much meat in it, and I can take I can write some paperwork up for myself if I'm stopped. So
[02:47:00] Unknown:
Rogers it's all in it's all in the matrix docs.com. And, and and and then the other thing, I I don't if anybody wants it, they just ask Paul and and Roger has my email address. But, I also carry the sites of it's like 4 pages 4 and a half pages of the different sites that that young man when that came on maybe a year and a half or so ago that and his dad was a lawyer. I think he's out in the day he live in California. And he did a YouTube on what he learned in the courses and reading Roger's book, and he I think his dad went he had his dad go through and do the, where he checks to see if it you know, checks to see if there's a particular name for it. I forget what it's called in the release, but to to shepherd the cases.
And he put these cases, the sites from these different cases about the differentials between this national and the state citizen, the 14th Amendment citizen the state citizen and the US citizen in this YouTube. And I did, screenshots of the different sites and I copied and pasted it onto a document that I've now attached to the affidavits and the the notices to the principals and agents because they don't understand this, so you gotta give them some court stuff. That my experience is they don't understand it because it's the first time they've all heard this, and and and it took me 10 years before I acted on it of studying with Roger Readiness book, etcetera, and looking at other people talk and see what they had to say. So I did a lot of research. I finally did it. It took 10 years for meeting Roger. That was, like, 3 years ago, that when I executed it, we took action on this.
So, but these court case sites are is a big deal because now they can't refute it and call me crazy because you got 12 or 14 cases including a site from the IRS that says the state citizen is not a taxpayer. It's like, you know? So, up until then, it's just me going against the common, what they've been people have been taught my entire lives. So it it that's a big deal because now they don't have a leg to stand on. I mean, you can try, but they don't. So anyway
[02:49:25] Unknown:
but They can't listen.
[02:49:27] Unknown:
Yeah. For sure. Alright. That's the I'm listening till the end and I can't wait to download this particular session. So thank you all.
[02:49:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Hello. This is Chris from California and I appreciate what I'm hearing. Do you have any way of
[02:49:46] Unknown:
telling me where I might find a YouTube video
[02:49:49] Unknown:
of that guy from California to be sad, separated?
[02:49:53] Unknown:
I think let me go see if it's I think it's on Matrix box, so I just posted that. I have to go in to get yeah. Hold on a second. Let me let's see. John b Wells. I'm looking. I think you're talking about Presley. I'm pretty sure that it was a young guy, you know, like maybe young twenties and his dad was a lawyer.
[02:50:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Was well, was it Paul and Roger on the video?
[02:50:28] Unknown:
Could be. I'm not I don't I haven't looked at it in probably a year or so.
[02:50:33] Unknown:
Okay. Well, yeah. I think it probably is Presley that you're talking about and there are he he made his own videos, but there's also a video on matrix stops. I think 2 of them. One of them is the interview with Presley with, Roger
[02:50:50] Unknown:
and and Paul.
[02:50:51] Unknown:
Are you Yeah. It's a 2 hour program. The first hour is an interview with Roger and Presley, and the second hour is Presley's video from YouTube.
[02:51:02] Unknown:
So it's all together. Yeah. And the other one I really like is the affidavit of citizenship evidence. I think that's the one that had I I don't carry it with me because I wanna keep something, some dry powder in the chamber, so to speak. No. It's not the other. There's one that actually proves what's the difference between the national and the state citizen, and it's a different format than the sites. Because the sites, I just put a text box on it and then copy you know, did a copy on it from the, YouTubers, the YouTube video of Presley since that's I'm sure that's the one. But, anyway and then I put it on Word documents and made where, like, 4 of them 4 of these sites per page, very easy to read, you know, and again, it's just you're trying to break one, the fear of of because they've heard so much BS out there on the street. They're right. They're only going to do what they learn, but I'm in the process of trying to get to whoever teaches constitutional law to the recruits.
This needs to become part of the to me in my opinion and experience over the last 18, 19 years need is critically important become part of the education of the policing enforcement agents in this country. Because without it, all we're gonna continue to devolve into a surveillance state. And New Orleans is one of the test grounds by Palantir for pre crime thought recognition patterns done by Mitch Landrieu, and it's absolutely got me so irate after these these 14 people were killed New York New Year's Eve night because of laziness and the reliance on techno surveillance. They they saw just I'm going off on a tangent. I don't wanna go there. But but it's really important to start educating these people and for us to become confident to be able to present this information in a succinct, credible and documentable where we can prove it state.
[02:53:06] Unknown:
Just before Abram left us, he, he put out a piece, a 3 page piece called affidavit of citizenship evidence with exhibits. It's quite good. I think it could be added to, but he did an excellent job.
[02:53:21] Unknown:
Yeah. For a young guy, I mean, it's it, you
[02:53:24] Unknown:
know, it's very impressive. So I'm not talking about you guys, Blake. I'm talking about Abram.
[02:53:30] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Alright. Sorry. I'm trying to keep everybody straight because that's not where my my mind is at the moment. Yeah. It's kinda rough. Alright. Well, that's all I got right now, so thank you.
[02:53:42] Unknown:
Okay. We've we've got an area code 304 with, with the hand still up that's unmuted. Charleston, do you have something to add?
[02:53:52] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Kent. Well, can you hear me okay?
[02:53:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I can.
[02:53:57] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Thank you. So is Joe still on the line?
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Well, he dropped out of Zoom, but I do believe that a Joe joined for a conference call, but he is at work. Yeah. I'm on conference call. I'm still here.
[02:54:12] Unknown:
Okay. I'm just
[02:54:14] Unknown:
I'm I'm heading home, so I swapped out my where I was on.
[02:54:19] Unknown:
K. This is, Kent in the New York City area. First of all, I wanna thank Roger and Paul for bringing you on the call. I've been trying to get in touch with you through lady Linda Louise in Connecticut. If you'd give me a call sometime, I would appreciate it. But I want to ask this question. Have you made any decision yet? There was a number of things presented here including by you as far as what you would do next related to obtaining compensation or possibly taking over the borough, but it sounded like you've disbanded that methodology.
And then of course it was suggested that possibly this is a case that should go to the Supreme Court. In thinking this through and maybe you haven't done this completely yet and I don't have answers to this question, would you think that then settling this case by April and dropping the charges and of course, Daryl makes a good point about dismissal versus a discharge. But would you think that by accepting that you're wiping out your opportunity to number 1, get compensation, number 2, to continue your quest to take over and shut down the borough or have their assets turned over to the people, and number 3, bringing a Supreme Court case? And then I have a couple of other comments to make after you address that. Thank you.
[02:55:49] Unknown:
Alright. I I don't think Joe has any intention of maliciously trying to take down the borough. I think he just wants to be left alone.
[02:55:59] Unknown:
Yeah. No. I don't yeah. He's right. I'm not trying to take the borough down. It's just that I have to go to this extreme measure in order for them to recognize and uphold my rights. And I say, if you can't do that, then I can invoke the constitution to rid you of your right. Right? Because the only time you can really truly lose your rights is when you violate the rights of someone else. They have a right to be a government. They have a right to act in this, corporate capacity of the municipality. But the fact that they violated my rights in in their operation.
Right? And, so they forfeit their right to remain a city. So it's like if you have to go to this extreme measure just to get them to uphold your rights, that's where you have to go. But if they're going to remedy this, you know, and say, hey. Listen. You know what? We're gonna get rid of those charges. We're not gonna give you any jail time. We're not gonna fine you and make you pay lots of fines. We're not gonna threaten to throw you in jail if you don't show up or anything like this or issue warrants for your arrest. Then I don't have to go through the whole dissolving the city because they're they're they're righting their wrongs.
Alright? So there wouldn't be an intention to do that. But if they do right the wrongs, then I can't take the court case to the Supreme Court because then they would say, well, there's no reason for it since they they they may have harmed you or wronged you, but then they corrected that. Right? So but I will issue them a bill, you know, for my legal fees, you know, once once they dismiss the charges. Now I'm gonna say, okay. Thank you. Charges are all dismissed. Here's my here's my legal fees. Alright? The the city can pay that. I think they much rather pay that than losing cities.
[02:58:01] Unknown:
I understand I understand that. Not to be argumentative about it, but I I wouldn't consider it malicious to try and take over the borough, the city, the town, township, village, etcetera, because they're operating in a corporate capacity. And what while you say they have the right to operate in a corporate capacity, we also have the right to have a republic. And these cities or municipalities, and I'm working with a city municipality in New Jersey at this time, are not providing a republic form of government. They're providing a corporation. So if they don't want to provide once given the opportunity and brought to their attention that they are not providing a republic, I certainly wouldn't consider it malicious to try and take them over and make an example out of them.
But of course, everybody's entitled to do what they think is right. But I think we need to ask at the outset in what position are they and do they have the right to do what they're doing. But I think it's also fine if you collect compensation from them and make them pay that. In the end, the taxpayers pay that depending on how you're going to go about holding them accountable. I'm not sure that that's correct, but maybe that brings the attention to the taxpayers that they need to do something about this situation. I'm in the process of trying to get them to pass a resolution in the municipality that they will set up a committee regarding constitutional compliance and make a determination about how the municipality is out of constitutional compliance and then correct that. So there's a lot of different things to be worked on in this country and I applaud what you were doing. So I wasn't trying to pin you down with those three points or tell you that you should do it one certain way. The thing that I want to add to that is when they took your fingerprints, did you raise any issues about the fingerprints were your personal property?
Because that's something you might want to even if you didn't raise that issue at that time under, I believe it was Davis versus Mississippi or Hayes versus Florida, Brown versus Texas. I believe it was determined by the Supreme Court that your fingerprints are your personal property. So being an American National, you should could certainly claim that. So
[03:00:12] Unknown:
I understand that.
[03:00:14] Unknown:
That. I'm sorry. Can you comment on that? And then I want to make a couple of other comments and then I'll yield.
[03:00:20] Unknown:
So, I sent them notice about the whole thing with the handprints and the and some other stuff regarding that. I don't wanna get into too many details on that. But, yes, I I suspect that what I did with them regarding, like, the handprints and some other claims that I, by being a claimant on that being my property and such really kinda put, you know, it it definitely did something with them because I did I did do something in regards to the fingerprints and hand prints with them and they, you know, like, the the county just dropped it immediately. You know, it's a combination of things.
Like, I don't wanna get into particular things with what I did with that. But, yes. I utilized that, to my advantage in that case as well, and that went along with my affidavit. And it was, I think it was part and parcel to what they did or how they handled me with the courts and probably why my all my records are sealed now. I think because of the you know, they can't they can't put me into any kind of servitude or slavery condition anymore.
[03:01:45] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yep. A couple other comments I would have based on what was said prior. You were talking about there or somebody said something about when you take over a town, what departments you could take. Am I mistaken? I was talking to a paralegal yesterday who has about 40 years experience in New Jersey. It happens to be with municipal systems and the county system and politics. And he was telling me that the Board of Education's while the from a taxing point of view, the mayor and council or whatever form of government is in place has something to say about the existence of the Board of Education.
But he told me they can only do it through that taxing provision determining that no, we're not going to allow that to happen in this community. But he said as far as the Board of Ed, they are operating under a separate Dun and Bradstreet number. They have nothing to do with the municipality in that regard. Another point that he made was that in New Jersey, there's no statute that allows a municipality to hire a prosecutor. And Giurgenti tried to get around this apparently by passing some statute or administrative code. I'm not clear on that what exactly he did regarding the training of prosecutors, but he said that there's still no existence of a statute that would allow a municipality to actually hire a prosecutor.
So do you know anything about that before I make my final couple comments?
[03:03:14] Unknown:
Regarding the school system, I I one thing I do know is that, yeah, the Board of Education operates separately, but they do get it is up to the mayor to keep those schools functioning and whatever, you know, whatever funds are coming in or whatever for the school. They have they're supposed to basically, they're the accountant for the for the school system for that town. So like I was saying before, if the city were to be dissolved, the receiver would actually be put into that position to make to maintain the funding for the schools properly. Now Mhmm. But the school system would still be there.
It would just that you know, the school name would probably change or something like that, you know, if they establish a new city. You know? It may not change. It just depends.
[03:04:01] Unknown:
You know?
[03:04:03] Unknown:
And on the prosecutor? The comments I made about the prosecutor?
[03:04:07] Unknown:
The the the prosecutor thing, I don't I don't know. I never looked into that. That's a good that's a good point, and that's a very interesting point. Yeah. I think we should I would wanna look into that because in the future, I could say, you know, we could utilize that. Say, you have a you guys hired a prosecutor for your city. Under what authority do you have that? Where does that authority come from? Well, I was thinking
[03:04:35] Unknown:
yeah. I'm sorry.
[03:04:36] Unknown:
Yeah. You never had that.
[03:04:39] Unknown:
Got it. I was thinking that you could use that even in your case, even if you haven't raised it, you could look into that. And if that's valid, you might have you were talking about the points that you could use to collect compensation from them and some other people were referring to that. So that might also be an issue that you could use.
[03:04:59] Unknown:
It's not it's not a bad one. I'd have to, you know, really because that's a to me, I never even thought about that. Like, what provision are they operating on before we have a prosecutor for the city? So I don't know. Yeah. That's totally different. I I never thought of that. That's a cool idea.
[03:05:18] Unknown:
K. And, according to what you were saying, basically the only way that the city or any municipalities incorporated could change any of this would be to revise the New Jersey Constitution. Is that what you were actually saying? Because obviously after you come forth and do this and they seal your records and a couple of other people come forth doing what they're doing in the state of New Jersey, someone in the state is going to say, how are we going to stop this before somebody actually enforces to take over of a city and the dissolving of their corporate charter. So is there any other way that you foresee from the research you did that could they could attempt to stop people such as yourselves or people such as me that might move to dissolve their corporate charter?
[03:06:10] Unknown:
I think the answer to that is simple. And what they need to do I got you. They they need they need to do what they need to do to function lawfully and in accordance with the constitution. If they straighten up and fly right, nobody can take them down.
[03:06:32] Unknown:
Why would they wanna do that? Open.
[03:06:35] Unknown:
Did you have any other comment on that, Joe?
[03:06:40] Unknown:
I kinda lost with you with your statement while I was down.
[03:06:45] Unknown:
Oh, I I was I think the whole point is either you're a a 14th amendment citizen or you're not, and you're out to protect that right. And that's what I would hope Joe, if he ever got to the 2nd floor of the Supreme Court, would be making the argument. Leave us damn nationals alone.
[03:07:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Tom, what was your statement again?
[03:07:11] Unknown:
Well, I was asking regarding people such as yourself who would possibly move. I mean, I get what you're saying that you don't have an intent to take the borough down or to dissolve their corporate charter, as long as they fly straight so to speak or make restitution to you. But I'm asking whether or not you see any other way based on what you were talking about with the New Jersey Constitution that you see any other way that they might attempt to stop people such as yourself or other people who are asking for constitutional compliance committees in a borough, which could lead down to the takedown of the corporate charter. If you see any other way than a constitutional amendment that they would be able to change this or stop you.
[03:08:00] Unknown:
They would have to get rid of the fact that in the in the state constitution, it says that the that all power is inherent in the people. They'd have to get rid of that. Right? And then they would have to show that the government gets derives its authority from something other than the people. Right? Because it says in the state constitution that government derives its authority from the consent of the people. Right? So the people's authority is what gives them the the power to have any kind of authority. So they would have to fundamentally change that part of the constitution, but they would have to cite a new source of authority for where they derive their power from.
[03:08:43] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:08:44] Unknown:
And I think that would that would be a little challenging where they're gonna get it from if it's not from the people.
[03:08:52] Unknown:
Right. A little challenging. So Okay. Thank you. So the other comment I wanted to make was, there was a comment about the DOT process. I was told that it was no longer rumor that it was fact that you can no longer obtain those plates. Do you know any more about that or has this been proposed to you by other people or do you think that it is just rumor?
[03:09:17] Unknown:
I think that's rumor. I you know what it is? People reach out to me all the time and say, hey. I can't get the DOT number. And then I'll go on the computer and sit there with them and walk them through the through the steps and then they get the number. So I think it's just it's just down to people just not chilling out the form correctly. Okay. Perfect. Understanding what they're supposed to do. Personal joke. Just yeah. So lastly so lastly,
[03:09:42] Unknown:
Joe, the reason one of the reasons I contacted you was, you I didn't know your whole story, but now we've heard a greater part of the story. We would probably like to consider having you on a call on Tuesday night, the Republic call. So if you would contact me at the phone number that I left you, I would appreciate it if you would be interested in spreading this information to people that would be on other telephone calls. Would that be a possibility?
[03:10:07] Unknown:
Sure.
[03:10:09] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. So I'll I'll wait for your call then. Either that or you can send me your phone number via email, and I'll call you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Paul. I appreciate it.
[03:10:19] Unknown:
Joe, I'd I'd like to read read one more paragraph from Bros. There was a there was there was a woman that was just trying to say something before.
[03:10:28] Unknown:
Yes, Joe. Rochelle Idaho. In my humble opinion, I feel my very humble opinion that you would be lacking duty if you accepted compensation for this egregious assault on all three life, liberty, and property issues. And it would be best for the republic and most likely even for you in the long run to not accept compensation and leave the door open to prosecute that particular specific county if indeed you need to open and unseal your case again at some future date.
[03:11:17] Unknown:
No. They're not gonna un I don't think they're gonna unseal the case.
[03:11:22] Unknown:
No. They won't, but you could because they have broken the trust. And if you accept financial gain like a lawyer does for being harmed, then you, at that point, close the case on yourself.
[03:11:40] Unknown:
Joe can't bring criminal charges. All he can do is ask for compensation.
[03:11:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Right. Well, you don't wanna bring criminal charges. You wanna rectify the problem in the future should it come up again.
[03:11:55] Unknown:
But, anyway I I I hope you don't take the compensation.
[03:11:59] Unknown:
No. No. I what I think though is that from what I did is they're probably gonna do something where in their system, they just say just leave this guy alone since the fact that, you know, if I can do it once, how many how many more times could I do it?
[03:12:13] Unknown:
You know? Every time it depends. Other county does it. You'll set the example for every other county that's being taken over, by the corporate. And there's gonna come a time when they're gonna push it and push it. And when that happens, I don't I just think that there's a higher level of compensation. You are justice. Not we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the
[03:12:42] Unknown:
we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the It's easy for me to say. They're they're gonna do everything in their power. Yeah. It's easy to say, but it's no. They're gonna do everything in their power to keep this under the carpet. Right? And and keep this from if if I were to actually go through with it, let's say I say screw you guys, I'm gonna go through with it and dissolve the city. What do you think they're gonna do to me?
[03:13:07] Unknown:
They're gonna kill you, but you don't need to do that. All you need to do is leave it open by never accept not accepting the fact that you've been compensated.
[03:13:19] Unknown:
Yeah. So yeah. Don't And that's that's my point. But, you know, no. I think what they're gonna do is they're going to, they're gonna put, like, a little warning or a code or something on the information. So if a cop stops me, you know, they're gonna be, like, you gotta let this one go because
[03:13:40] Unknown:
he's, he's a problem. Do not keep
[03:13:45] Unknown:
Anyway, you're you probably can best protect yourself by just never taking any of your ammo away.
[03:13:56] Unknown:
They did that by dropping the charges. Anyway, I They took his ammo away ammo away by dropping the charges.
[03:14:04] Unknown:
Oh, he did drop the charges. Oh, I got it. I got it. The only,
[03:14:09] Unknown:
the only charge that hasn't been dropped is the, no license charge. And they he said he'll close that out. As soon as I get discovery, we can go into the, go back on the court. So I know what they're doing. What they're doing is they're doing from I
[03:14:24] Unknown:
he was on the defensive, and you gave him you don't have to give him that higher ground, I don't think.
[03:14:31] Unknown:
No. I'm gonna have it shut down. I'm gonna finish it out and shut it down before before there's another court date. But the thing is that, you know, like, I know I'm I'm in the right areas, so I'm just gonna keep keep doing what I was doing. Yes. But my my point Yeah. So the fact is that that that's the only one, but I know what they're doing. What they're doing is they're trying to collect money off of the bonds that they did on that court case. That's what they're trying to do. That's why they're throwing it out at this point. They're not doing anything other than trying to just make money off of the case just sitting there. Right? Because they can still because it's under a private trust.
That's why it's sealed. Alright? And they put it under trust, and they put they put bonds into the court case. I I've I've broke this down on the show before showing the the statutes how they're how they're funneling the the the funds like that.
[03:15:19] Unknown:
And, They're making profit off of the harm they did you and our republic.
[03:15:25] Unknown:
Yeah. That's right. So and that's that's the only reason why they keep pushing it out. Like, oh, well, we're gonna get rid of these, but, you know, we're gonna keep this one going because they're trying to they're waiting for the bond to mature so they can they can go cash it in and then drop the charges. That's that's what they're doing.
[03:15:42] Unknown:
So I know that the game is a good that. If you can monetize what they made off of you. Goodness. Yeah. So yeah. That's a true harm to our republic as well as to you all your time and effort.
[03:15:58] Unknown:
Wow. Well, I Okay. Yeah. But if once I can get the CUSIP number for the case, you know, I can go create, an an audit with the IRS on them for that and get the rest of it closed out. That way. And then, as evidence, say look at what they're doing. They're funding the city with the police, which is a crime. They can't do that.
[03:16:22] Unknown:
They're funding the city by harming the individual men and women in the county. Yes. The attack continues. That gives you that gives you the upper hand then in the end. I think that's really great.
[03:16:34] Unknown:
That that's that's what I'm working on right now. So That's good. Good processing.
[03:16:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Wow.
[03:16:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Hello? I've seen, I've been trying to cover everything. Hey.
[03:16:49] Unknown:
This is Chris from California. I I heard the man say it was a Tuesday call that he wanted to have, have Joe on. I wondered what that call was, how to access that call.
[03:17:05] Unknown:
It's the Republic call. And, that phone number do you want the phone number? You got something written down? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. It's 425-436-6280 with an access code of 695-623 pound. And that and that call starts at 9:30 or 8:30 EST.
[03:17:32] Unknown:
Got it. Okay.
[03:17:35] Unknown:
So Thank you. Joe? Joe, that master servant relationship, it's the people that were basically given the authority like you said. But you know, the first Article 1, the first couple of verses or first couple of lines, it says all legislative powers herein granted. The people came before the government or the Constitution was even established. So it's the people that delegated authority to the servants and created this here United States Constitution or Constitution for the United States of America as a servant to the people, as a limitation of delegated authority to those that are the servants.
And that that is a big deal. But if they deny you discovery and you put in your discovery request and they don't answer your discovery, they're denying you a defense. And if they're denying you, then they're denying you due process of law. And this is their this is their biggest thing. And the whole thing is that there's normally not never a injured party because they always come with the state of corporation being the plaintiff. And that's what has to be centered around. But these are real fundamental things. And when you demand discovery, they really have nowhere to go.
And because they can't that means any answer would be a confession of their operating outside of their authorities, so a yield.
[03:19:11] Unknown:
Yes, and I would like to say something. This is Paul from Kentucky. I was on the call earlier and I asked a question and then other people chimed in and I got pushed to the back of the line. But to Daryl's case in point, that's where my question was heading. Joe, again, I admire your your, tenacity to stick with what you're doing, and it does take that kind of tenacity. And I'm dealing with several cases like that myself. But to Daryl's case in point, what I'm running into is, and I said this on the call earlier, I don't have a problem, not that it's easy, but I don't have a problem winning the case like you're doing, and congratulations.
What I'm struggling with is after it's over, well, they have injured me. They have caused damages, my life, my liberty, what have you, in your case, even property. And so I'm going back to get restitution and remedy for those damages. And what I'm running into, and Daryl alluded to this, they just ignore me like a judge will ignore the case. I have 2 current cases, and I'm dying to get an answer. I've got 2 cases that are setting in the court of appeals that shouldn't even be there. They're not there because they're legitimately appealable.
They're there because the judge failed to do process, and he hides hides the case so bad that that's the next step, so to speak. It's not really legitimately the next step. And, you know, I don't even know how to take this case to the Court of Appeals when it has no reason to be there. And that would be my question to the Court of Appeals. Why are we here? And so, if and when you win this case, which I believe you will, it sounds very, it sounds like you're you're on the right path, and you've done a lot of work to get there. And that's what some people don't understand. Sometimes the reason you seek remedy is several reasons. 1, to get compensated for your time because time is the most valuable thing we have.
We can never replace time. You can replace your car, your house, but you can never replace time. So, yes, you would like to be compensated for their lack of due diligence or their lack of what have you. But I find when you start that process, and I think Daryl is in a similar boat than I am, when you start that process, they do everything they can to diffuse, divert, and divide you to where you can't seek remedy. Even if it means taking a a bogus situation to the court of appeals because a judge fails to do process, fails to answer the facts and findings and conclusions of law, that should automatically put that case in default according to the rules of procedure.
But the Court of Appeals will ignore that. The judge will ignore that. And so I yield, but if anybody out there has anything that they could help me with that, I I can handle cases when this is what you do, and this is how you do it, and this is what you do. But in my cases, we're not playing by the rules. So and, Chris, it's good to hear you on the call. If you get a chance, I look forward to your email, sir, and I yield.
[03:23:08] Unknown:
Hello?
[03:23:10] Unknown:
Hey, Chris.
[03:23:13] Unknown:
Did everybody hang up on me?
[03:23:15] Unknown:
Hey, Chris. Do you have an email?
[03:23:19] Unknown:
No. I sent Chris my email address. He was gonna send it back to me. Oh, okay. But I guess we're the only 2 on the call. I must have ran everybody off.
[03:23:30] Unknown:
Okay. Are you talking are you still here?
[03:23:37] Unknown:
Are you talking about Chris from California?
[03:23:40] Unknown:
Yes. Yes, sir.
[03:23:41] Unknown:
Yeah. My email is media, m e d I a. Oh, hang on, Chris. I I mean, I I was at I sent you my email. This is Paul. Right, Paul. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. Give me your email if you don't mind. I'd appreciate it. I'll give it again.
[03:23:58] Unknown:
Mediaxandthenmenmen.
[03:24:04] Unknown:
[email protected].
[03:24:07] Unknown:
Okay.
[03:24:10] Unknown:
And I guess everybody hung up. I I didn't mean to run everybody off. I was just asking a a simple question and sharing some wisdom that I've dealt with when you counterclaim, an issue. So
[03:24:24] Unknown:
I just wanted to see if Joe is still here.
[03:24:27] Unknown:
Does does yeah. Does does does anybody understand how this whole CUSIP number works? Because I've read about it before, but then Roger doesn't deal with that straw man, all caps name stuff. And is that all tie into the straw man and everything?
[03:24:42] Unknown:
Oh, no. There's a whole bag of them. Yeah. I'm gonna go look. You better find them. Man.
[03:24:47] Unknown:
Do you even look in the back of that? Hand. Get them off. They're gonna be throwing away all of them, and they feel real good.
[03:24:54] Unknown:
Thank you.
[03:24:56] Unknown:
I've heard of the q ship number. I I I'm educated on it, but I don't know anything about it. I mean, I understand it's out there. I understand its purpose, but I've not really dove into that part yet. I yield.
[03:25:15] Unknown:
This is Dwayne. I've brought up this guy before. He's, [email protected], and he teaches courses on discharging of debt and is quite successful with it from what I understand. I'm actually going to get back. I've listened to TJ for maybe 10 or 12 years. He was one of the people that also said the same thing as Roger, but Roger was more involved with the US citizen versus state citizen slash national knowledge. But with that being said, TJ is very, very good at teaching how what the discharge is, and he gets in I've got I can't disclose it because you have to be a member to access this information, but he's written, like, a 17 page memorandum on the monetary system and how to discharge debts for certain crimes, certain corporate bills, and certain government bills.
So it might be well worth $29 a month to go to urlaw.org and sign up and get into his what he's learned and teaches. On one other thing about the New Jersey and the town, the gentleman up there that's doing the work about with the when you marry corporatism in government, you get fascism. We're not given a fascist state of government or guaranteed the republic. So that may be another tangent to include in the work you're doing up there. I'm done. Thank you.
[03:26:52] Unknown:
Does that make sense? The court is all operating under that CRIS, which is the court reporting investment system or registering investment system. And every one of them cases are monetized with the CUSIP and that ties to the bonds that are put in. And they're basically you know, sucking it off of, you know, the instrument that they're using to monitor monetize. And, you know, it it's a court case number that they're monetizing. Each one of them has a CUSIP. And to try to get that through discovery, you know, more likely, they'll try to just dismiss the case and try to skirt around it. But if you don't if they don't discharge that case, then it still remains open for them to funnel out of it if they just dismiss it.
But it is very important that you demand that they discharge it because what it is is a debt collection process. And the first thing that they do when you file when they give you a ticket, the first thing that they do first place that ticket goes is to the Department of Revenue for processing, then they send it down to the court for collections. And it's a debt collection procedure, and that's why that fair debt collection process is an effective avenue to try to compel that yield.
[03:28:20] Unknown:
Are they using the, are they using the CUSIP number when they send it to the Department of Revenue for processing?
[03:28:28] Unknown:
No. That that would be the first thing. It'll be after you get it down to the court, that's when that would happen.
[03:28:35] Unknown:
Okay. So they're using that number at the court for collections then. Is that what you're saying? Well, that's to that's to monetize the that's to monetize the case.
[03:28:48] Unknown:
They'll monetize in that case so they can draw off your sestaquay trumps in that attempt.
[03:28:55] Unknown:
Wow.
[03:28:58] Unknown:
If all these these courts are not really courts. And as, you see in article 1, second, 8 clause 9, it says, congress has the power to, constitute tribunals inferior to the smallest supreme capital c court. And that's the court in article 3. All these other, legislative these are legislative tribunals. And so what they're doing is they're implementing a tribunal against the fiction because they have no authority over the man, because the man is the sovereign or the man or woman is the sovereign. And we are the master. We existed before government.
It all goes back to the created can never be greater than the creator. God created man, man created government, formed government. We didn't really create it. To create something, you'd have to make it from nothing. But we actually it was actually formed through words in in the limiting of authority, but it and it goes back to the laws of nature and nature's god. That is superior. And then you got the maxims. And, you know, you've got a level, but they're trying to hold us under administrative corporate statutes and code and try to pull you into the, benching, enforcing this against the dead because they're bringing in that dead entity. They're actually they won't even issue you a driver license because you can't apply because you're alive.
They can only bring in the the vessel, the entity, the Inzligas, basically, under the doctrine of parents' patrie. And if you don't claim that estate, then, you know, they consider that you're incompetent. And that's the only thing an attorney can represent is a incompetent person, a deceased veteran, an infant. But they could that's why they're so compelled to, you know, make this look or appear very, difficult. And then they try to confuse you, and well, then you get an attorney. And the attorney sells you out down the river. And it's an entrapment, but that's the design of the system. And this is all done under the patent and trademark where the each of your patents is basically a business model.
This is they put together a business model and patented it, and now they're operating their business model. Well, it's basically a corporate enslavement process that they are trying to exercise. It's not for the benefit of the people, it's just to support their business model. It's all business. But when they're doing it, they're doing human trafficking because they're holding the man or the woman as the same entity using identity theft. They're holding you as that legal fiction rather than the living, living soul, Aiel.
[03:32:06] Unknown:
Sounds like they're trafficking in dead people.
[03:32:10] Unknown:
Well, but they're still holding you as a surety for that vessel. And by holding you as incompetent, if you don't defend it, and then they compel it, and if you don't know how to defend it, I mean, they just run over you. And the next thing, you become a debt slave, or do you become a creditor slave? Because in reality, you are the creditor. And, Sherrick Markitso brought that to my attention, but that is a very good point. You know, they say that we are debt slaves. Well, we are in a sense because we don't have any wealth. But we have credit and debits, but the whole thing is it's a it's a debt system.
And the only way you can create more credit is to is to borrow it into existence as more debt. So it's a slavery system by design, Ayil.
[03:33:17] Unknown:
And the name is that dead person, and that's, I think, the key to what we need to do is to refute the name, state that we're nationals, because this is all about jurisdiction.
[03:33:30] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:33:32] Unknown:
See, what they're actually doing is they're actually bringing war against the people, because what they're doing is all based upon the war powers. And this starts, you know, even before Lincoln. But, it was it was a setup, you know, in this whole structure, but they're actually warring against the people through lawfare and using the courts against the living. And Are you if he Are are you are you familiar with,
[03:34:03] Unknown:
the argument that Bros makes about Swift versus Tyson versus Erie Railroad versus Tompkins?
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A little bit. Yes.
[03:34:13] Unknown:
Let me read a paragraph from there to see if you agree. The Erie Railroad decision saying there was no general federal common law was based on the fact that the man who sued the railroad was an outlaw to the constitution. That is that is he had no standing in absolute constitutional law because he was a 14th amendment citizen, and therefore, he could not call on any general federal commercial common law, and that still existed in the republic for protection. He had chosen, by the default of silence, the private law of the 14th Amendment Trust for public purposes. He he could not claim any rights based upon Swift versus Tyson decision nor could he access article 3 section 2 courts of judicial power. Instead, he could only compel to resort to article 1 legislative courts that operate outside the US constitution.
And that's why Joe right now, I think, has an opportunity now that he's got them on their back legs. He can move this to a constitutional supreme court, and they have to hear it. And he could make the claim for us nationals and set a precedent. That is what they don't want to happen. That is why they're backing off because the lower courts didn't understand the the the titty that was getting caught in the ringer, that the upper courts that when he did his petition, his writ, started to realize, uh-oh. We got a problem here. We have to stop it now.
[03:36:02] Unknown:
I think that's And that's why Joe's life would be in danger.
[03:36:07] Unknown:
Well, there's no know if he just did the petition to the Supreme Court whether he would get to that second floor or not, all of this would be, you know, a search should only see nothing happen to Joe. But, this is what's that issue, is its jurisdiction and it's the status that we need to remain on and I think all the rest of it is just too much complication and problem for us to have to deal with.
[03:36:36] Unknown:
May I they they denied his jurisdiction as well as
[03:36:42] Unknown:
Well, they tried to, of course. Yeah. I don't how you do that is very he tried to refute some of this in the beginning, but they just overrode it. And if you read Stamper's book, he's gonna he's gonna point that out. This is gonna be their attitude and this is how they're gonna attack you. And the the way to to deal with that is because they're not following due process, you attack them on process in an abatement.
[03:37:16] Unknown:
So May I? Anyway Yeah. I think I think what Joe has done is replicatable, and it's up to us to replicate it in our own, states and, courts. And it's I I think unfair to ask one man to subject the rest of his life to something that he's already, obtained for his own self. But he came on the call today to share the information he used, how he found it, where he found it, and we should all do that for our own selves. I yield. And the way he brings remedy to him remedy
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to him.
[03:38:03] Unknown:
The way he brings remedy to himself should hopefully not, put any of us in the situation where we can't replicate what he did.
[03:38:15] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't know how you replicate what Joe did over 2 years and all the filings that he's done. I think there's a lot to learn from it. It should be dissected, but, I'm not sure that there's a there's a course for anybody to take there that, one, they would want to do or, 2, that they would understand.
[03:38:36] Unknown:
Well, you first start and what he went back to was the founding documents, what established the city's authority. And that's what we always have to go back to, the foundations.
[03:38:50] Unknown:
No. I think it's personal. It's personal. It's individual. Period.
[03:38:59] Unknown:
Of course, it's perfect.
[03:39:01] Unknown:
An application, but the principle remains the same for everyone. No different than scripture.
[03:39:11] Unknown:
Well, yeah. See the whole thing the entire
[03:39:15] Unknown:
it was personal for the founding fathers and therefore gives us the right to make it personal for us.
[03:39:22] Unknown:
You know, even in Erie versus Railroad where it talks about, you know, that he's subject he has a 14th amendment citizen subject. But see, that's all presumption. And they they operate this whole system under presumption, under color. It's really they really don't have the constitutional authority to do what they're doing, but they're basically running a commerce business, a commercial business for profit. Mhmm. Who is volunteered
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to be a citizen? That's the point. Right?
[03:39:51] Unknown:
Well, by silence. If you don't That's exactly
[03:39:55] Unknown:
what he said. He used the word silence. By his silence, that's where he found himself. And that's what we're doing if we don't refute it. And I think that includes the name
[03:40:07] Unknown:
and being a Christian, by the way.
[03:40:10] Unknown:
Yeah. By by the silence. But, see, that's still they hold you by presumption, by silence, not by not by any fact. But and that's why you need a competent fact witness with firsthand knowledge. You know? And you demand that, in your discovery request.
[03:40:32] Unknown:
I think we need to do the negative in the court. Period. I think we need to do the abatement process and stay outside the courts.
[03:40:39] Unknown:
Right. Does it do a negative in the court?
[03:40:42] Unknown:
Courts are doing your sticking. Once you start arguing with them, you're agreeing that they have some reason to argue with you, which is jurisdiction.
[03:40:51] Unknown:
Well well, do it under the penalty of perjury, and then do it, do it, basically as an abatement, and and force them to come through or negative averment. Yeah. That that is not a fact. Prove that is not a fact. If you don't respond, then you stick them with their silence. Silence is a mission. It becomes a self executing contract. You stated under oath. They gotta rebut it under oath. These are basically the sovereign or the master exercising his superior authority, a yield.
[03:41:33] Unknown:
That's basically what the non statutory abatement is. It's bringing them up on the fact that their their procedure is Swiss cheese. You know, the biggest thing is court. It's not in court. It's outside it.
[03:41:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, there all these here this whole system operates at law, which is really outlaws. And Right. That's why your your court is basically an article 3 court, which is has jurisdiction in all cases over, law and equity, Admiralty Maritime, against all counselors, all the everyone. You have the authority. That's the difference between in law and at law. If you were at law and you're at the house and it's 30 below 0 outside and you couldn't get in the house, you could never get relief from the cold. You'd freeze to death. And but if you could get in the house, you could get relief from the cold.
And law works the same way. That if we if we go into their outlaw courts, you have the appearance that there's justice, but there really is no you you find no remedy. No relief. It's all deception. Yeah. It's all yeah. Big time. It's all lies and deception. So I yield.
[03:43:24] Unknown:
May I? There is a difference between remedy and accountability. And what Joe did was he held them to account according to the law. And so his remedy seeking monetary compensation for what they put him through is secondary to holding them to account for their positions. So and I yield.
[03:43:56] Unknown:
Well, the whole thing of it is is if you listen to what Brost is saying is is sort of my point. It is Jerry. Right?
[03:44:04] Unknown:
He's he's basically saying these lower courts,
[03:44:07] Unknown:
they don't understand this. They don't have a clue. It's when he made his petition to the higher court and had those writs and stuff in there and showed that the the the whole structure of the township, whatever, might be in jeopardy, they realized they had to act. And it wasn't until he got to that higher court. Just like bro did, these lower courts aren't gonna understand what you're even talking about. That's why it would be best to abate them and stop their process.
[03:44:42] Unknown:
Right. But they weren't gonna allow that. That was Joe's whole point. And he did hold them to account under agency rules. The secretary of state, the governor. Yes. So and that's a message that he learned through Roger.
[03:44:58] Unknown:
So That that's the argument we have to perfect that I don't think we have so that we could stop it early and cleanly and without a whole lot of hassle. That's what we really need to focus on, in my opinion.
[03:45:15] Unknown:
Right. And if you go straight to the root of it, which is where they derive their authority to even exist, is the how you stop the the fruit of that tree by cutting it off at the root. And that's what Joe has done. So,
[03:45:32] Unknown:
I'm sure The reason that they exist is because there's more than 51% of citizens out there, and until that goes away, you're not gonna get that kind of remedy. It only can be done on the individual basis, and I think what's so important is the name. You've gotta refute that name and stand on that and national status because otherwise your claim is not gonna work. None of the claims are gonna work if you don't have the national status. That's really the key.
[03:46:03] Unknown:
Okay. My question is, do you go at them through, their system or the common law system? Okay. But see, that's what Joe did by trademarking his name, which would hold them to account.
[03:46:19] Unknown:
He didn't trademark his name. He trademarked the name they made up for him. Well, fair enough. Fair enough. Samuel, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, but just to be clear,
[03:46:29] Unknown:
which just shows you how important the name is to me. It's quite obvious,
[03:46:35] Unknown:
you know, what they're trying to do. They can't bring in the flesh and blood. They can't do it.
[03:46:41] Unknown:
I agree, but they are ignoring that. And so when he went the route of the trademark, which they then lose their cloak of immunity in that regard. So what I'm saying is or my question is, yes. The common law is what we're supposed to be standing on because that's who, who governs what governs us, but using their their stuff against them as Joe did.
[03:47:11] Unknown:
Well, Sherry, how how I'm well, how I'm thinking about doing it is way before you get to court. In your notices, like, to the attorney general, your sheriff, whoever you decide to send your notices to, you're real clear about what a national is, you're real clear about what a Christian is, you're real clear about how to spell your name, etcetera, etcetera, and don't bother me unless you can do these things. Thank you very much. If you disagree with me, please let me know. And if you don't have anything to say, I consider your silence agreement, so be it.
[03:47:51] Unknown:
I agree. Notices, affidavits. It's very important to set the record, for
[03:48:00] Unknown:
sure. To add to that, I would think we need to get a coroner to, sign affidavits with us that I am standing alive in front of the coroner, not dead. I'm not sure. I have not done that. That's an important process regarding the name, I believe.
[03:48:24] Unknown:
In Terry Lee's paperwork, he has some of that. He's got his blood type and everything, and it's certified by the court. Oh. Just to that break, I would go into a court to certify anything. Personally, I think that's wrong. I think we should have nothing to do with them. Absolutely nothing. We giving that we're giving them their power by doing so.
[03:48:57] Unknown:
A fingerprint would be enough of a affidavit, not blood, on your affidavit stating you're a living man. What about the coroner? There's a process that the coroner can state you're not dead.
[03:49:15] Unknown:
Your affidavit witness. Your declaration of your affidavit, declaration would also state with that.
[03:49:26] Unknown:
Have the coroner witness it?
[03:49:30] Unknown:
Well, you can.
[03:49:34] Unknown:
These guys In my case, our coroner is in my case, in our county, the coroner is my doctor also.
[03:49:42] Unknown:
I'm just gonna tell him in my affidavit that I'm, a Genesis 27. That's it.
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And
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as
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a
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Christian.
[03:49:59] Unknown:
Rochelle, why don't you, on your next doctor's appointment, ask the coroner how you would go about that procedure, what the procedure would be. I'm thinking a coroner's inquest, but I don't know. A yield. Yeah. Well, they weigh the body.
[03:50:16] Unknown:
They measure it. They they attest to the heartbeat being absent. So a basic physical would do it, I think. Interesting.
[03:50:30] Unknown:
Make my own up with him. Well, I think you have a unique opportunity since your doctor is the coroner to ask him, and that would be great.
[03:50:42] Unknown:
We'd like to hear that.
[03:50:44] Unknown:
I don't know if I'd want a doctor who's a coroner. I don't think I'd want any doctor at all.
[03:50:51] Unknown:
He's a private physician that ran for coroner to protect the rights of the people.
[03:50:57] Unknown:
Okay. Well, he would probably understand what you're talking about then. That's pretty good. Good point. I have to pay him a 125
[03:51:05] Unknown:
every time I visit him.
[03:51:10] Unknown:
Maybe you could do it by letter. Just curious. Well,
[03:51:16] Unknown:
I think I should warn him ahead of time. We're friends. Like, I don't know. I I have to think about that, but I'm wanting to do that as a part of my affidavit of, citizenship as a national.
[03:51:29] Unknown:
Well, what I I would suggest is that, you go to him as in his capacity as a coroner when you don't have to pay his private doctor fee. I yield.
[03:51:41] Unknown:
Oh, interesting. Show up as a body. And I happen to be alive, and he has to do an inquest. There was an there's an error been made.
[03:51:56] Unknown:
Show up with a call, Toronto.
[03:52:00] Unknown:
Yes. Have him do an affidavit on your behalf, basically, stating that that you were present, you were alive, and and doing well. Just have him do a report, basically, under oath as an affidavit
[03:52:16] Unknown:
Interesting. At the public service. He's never done he's never done that before. I'm sure.
[03:52:23] Unknown:
He could be his first.
[03:52:25] Unknown:
Yes. So I'll wanna educate him along with myself. That's very interesting. Mhmm.
[03:52:33] Unknown:
Well, start with the question. What's the process? And,
[03:52:38] Unknown:
I had What's, what's the coroner's process of to establish life or death? Yes. Yes? Uh-huh. There's a a paperwork template already in his office files, I'm sure.
[03:53:01] Unknown:
I would agree. All this has been streamlined. I yield. Mhmm.
[03:53:17] Unknown:
There's a common law process as a retired nurse to establish life or death also before you call. If you can't get a doctor to pronounce death and you'd wanna stop, you just you and you stop resuscitation measures. There is a process, common sense process. I better hurry up and do it. I'm in my eighties.
[03:54:11] Unknown:
Yes. And we would appreciate, you coming back and letting us know.
[03:54:17] Unknown:
Yes. I'm gonna make an appointment Monday. It takes a month to get in to see him.
[03:54:23] Unknown:
Well, what I'm saying is you can avoid that that fee unless you have another reason to go and see him. But you wanna speak to him in his capacity as a coroner, through your friendship. So Mhmm. Because at the doctor,
[03:54:40] Unknown:
he has different obligations. That would be the first step. Yes. And the second step would be to go in and verify it as a physician, I would think. I have to physically be there.
[03:55:00] Unknown:
Right. But, all I'm trying to keep you from having to pay his private doctor pay, because your app has a public servant as the coroner. No pay is required. I yield.
[03:55:18] Unknown:
Mhmm. Different county, but I need to pay for services rendered also. Very interesting. Thank you all. I think I'm gonna listen a little longer than
[03:55:29] Unknown:
copped out. Me too. So you're saying he's a coroner in a a different county than where you I may yes. A neighboring county. So Oh, okay.
[03:55:40] Unknown:
And what but he as a friend would give me I can probably find out what the process is just by how you just finding out what the process is for. I can go to my local corner and ask them because I know my local corner too.
[03:55:55] Unknown:
Right. But I I would have I just have one suggestion in that regard. You better know the answers before you go and ask the coroner in your county. That's all I'm saying. Well, I wouldn't ask
[03:56:09] Unknown:
oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't ask to tell them why I'm doing it. I the reason I have, standing to go in there and literally, I'm still standing. But I went in and asked what how you get a gravesite so my family wouldn't have to pay for it. And I found out from the corner that, well, first, you have to register. You have to pay to be buried, and you have to pay to have a to be licensed to be buried, to have to get permission to be buried. Well, you can go in there and ask them about that, and then I can ask, oh, by the way, what's the process of declaring a a man or woman is dead or alive,
[03:56:54] Unknown:
living or dead? Okay. My whole point, Michelle, was you know the answer to the question before you ask the question. That's all I'm saying. That's the Johnny Cochran rule. Don't ask the question you don't already know the answer to. That's why Yeah. If you go to the probably lied to you anyway.
[03:57:11] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. So I can correct them on the spot. Indeed. You're very correct. That's always a lawyer precept. If you do have to use a lawyer, you always know the answer before you even ask them. Oh, brother. Same process. Yep. Thank you.
[03:57:33] Unknown:
You know, Lee Lee broke that same call called the, you know, the republic that doesn't exist anymore, and the the whole accumulation of that 80 some 80 pages or whatever it is is this. This is his what he calls his declaration of independence. I love it. It's really well well worded. It says, I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of the almighty creator, by my declaration of independence, solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my trust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the republic.
And all the and and all past and present political ties implied by operation of law or otherwise entrust with the democracy is hereby dissolved. I, John or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish commerce as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America, a republic. That's it. Short and sweet.
[03:58:52] Unknown:
Who wrote that?
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Lee Brost.
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Oh, that's the the author. Lee Brost, and it's called his private declaration of independence.
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He just has a declaration of independence. Yep.
[03:59:10] Unknown:
Are you are you are you familiar that the first 13 articles, they were actually articles of the bill of rights? And then Yes. They were changed to basically now commonly known as amendments.
[03:59:25] Unknown:
Well, what Prose says, is that the first ten are in law, and the rest thereafter are in equity.
[03:59:35] Unknown:
Well, 13th was was also ratified back in 18 by 18 12, And, you know, and then they buried that. And then in 65, they brought in the second, 13th, and then they called it then they changed them to amendments.
[03:59:55] Unknown:
Yeah. We don't need any more than the bill of rights. It's really all we need.
[04:00:00] Unknown:
Well, we need that we're under really.
[04:00:03] Unknown:
That was our agreement. That's our original agreement.
[04:00:06] Unknown:
Yeah. The the constitution in itself really limits the power of those that are serving in office, or they're limited in their authority of only to the powers that are granted to them by the people. And article 1 section 8 clause 17 is very clear of where they can apply any authority. It's only on federal grounds that are purchased or arsenal's military basically, post offices. But they're really the only places they have authority to regulate. They can regulate commerce. So but they try to make everything commerce through the vessel.
And but it's identity theft is what they're doing. It's human trafficking in all senses of the of the words, I guess.
[04:01:07] Unknown:
So they basically got either volunteer out of the out of the first 10 amendments or the Bill of Rights, you'd really call them that, into this 14th Amendment slavery. That's what Roger is all talking about. But the only place I disagree with Roger is that name is attached to the citizen that they gave you. And to use it is to pretty much deny your national status.
[04:01:49] Unknown:
Krausz's first name is what?
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Lee.
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Lee, Proust, p r o u s t?
[04:01:59] Unknown:
No. It's, it's b r o b s t, and the piece is called USA the Republic is the House that Nobody Lives in. Thank you. It's only about 70 pages and it it really shows you the distinction, the difference, how we got there. And if you combine that with the book of the 100, you sort of get a feel because of their pro glama in the beginning of that book, it gives you a history of the country, which really sort of sums all that up of how we got here as well. And between the 2, I find a lot of distinctions that are really quite the same. Just one's a bit more secular than the other is all.
[04:02:56] Unknown:
Is the book of the 100 referring to the biblical or is that referring to committees of correspondence and safety they used?
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It's essentially a Christian Jewell Society point of view that was prominent in the late nineties in Southern California and pretty much went countrywide for a while.
[04:03:27] Unknown:
Oh.
[04:03:30] Unknown:
That doesn't work very well.
[04:03:35] Unknown:
Yes, Bruce. Have any of y'all heard of the administrative process? Anybody out there has heard that before?
[04:03:44] Unknown:
Yeah. The what?
[04:03:47] Unknown:
Administrative
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process. Oh, yes.
[04:03:51] Unknown:
Very simple. We have it we have it last time. If you're if you're national, then you have already done the affidavit and everything, and it's 30 days, and it's cured. You know? We can do it with the court case too.
[04:04:08] Unknown:
Correct, Bruce. What we're trying to do is get the powers that are usurping their authority, our authority over them, to recognize it. That's where we're having an issue.
[04:04:21] Unknown:
I yield. Well, when when you, do your administrative process on them in 30 days, guess what they are? They're nothing. You got power right over them. They don't know what to do. You go collect your money on. They can't answer line by line administrative process in 30 days. They're done. Just like the affidavit, the international, what's what are they doing? You determine what you are with that affidavit. That's the bullet in the head for them.
[04:05:02] Unknown:
The problem is the remedy. Like in Tennessee, they they went through basically legislative administrative processes and outlawed chemtrails, but the chemtrails are still there.
[04:05:18] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[04:05:23] Unknown:
Keep it simple. And get the rest of that.
[04:05:42] Unknown:
Burks, did you hear me cite that declaration of independence by Brost?
[04:05:48] Unknown:
No. I haven't. I haven't been listening to I've been doing other things. I got a lot of guys, I'm thinking. Pretty short and sweet. It sums it up. Yeah. Okay. Well, my first, judge I got off the bench, didn't have his oath of office in the secretary of state's office in in South Carolina. And who? What year was that? I've been on the bench for 12 years, had never filed his oath of office in the secretary of state's office for 12 years. I get in his court, get on the testify to and for the jury trial, and I ask I ask him politely, I I I will I need you to leave the bitch immediately. You have not filed your that year to office.
In this and when you took it in 30 days, your oath, and you're not a dealer qualified to hear any case, but trust this one here. I need to leave me, I need you to leave the bench immediately. He said, we're not here to try me. I'm we're here to try you. I said, well, you don't have the duties. You don't have the app with your oath that you took. You're not a dealer qualified judge to hear any case. Oh, boy. So I got thrown in jail 5 days, and I got out. I was in contempt of court because I was doing it. But he dismissed the jury, and then threw me in jail for you know?
Anyway, the whole point was I won my case. He got off the bench. He'd been at, 12 years. I had people coming up to me. They didn't know me. I didn't know them. They knew who I was, though, because my picture was in the paper. You're the one that put the judge off the bench? I said, yeah. I'm the one. He said, I will shake your hand, man. I'm chumps here. We had all the control of that guy. He was amazing. You know how they are down the world.
[04:07:58] Unknown:
Anyway Every one of these cases were no good either.
[04:08:02] Unknown:
Exactly. All the way back.
[04:08:05] Unknown:
So there's a lot of people get out of jail on that one. What what year was that?
[04:08:13] Unknown:
Oh, good lord. 2000.
[04:08:18] Unknown:
Because they say now that now none of them none of them can prove they have enough. Law.
[04:08:26] Unknown:
You said A lot of lot of people are saying now none of them probably have enough.
[04:08:31] Unknown:
That's right. Yep. They're supposed to have it in their pocket.
[04:08:38] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah.
[04:08:41] Unknown:
On their person?
[04:08:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Because they're on that bench. Gotta be there.
[04:08:48] Unknown:
Absolutely. It it should be wherever they're asserting their authority. Hey, Samuel. Could I ask you to repeat what you, what you read about Burroughs' declaration of independence, so to speak. If you don't mind, I'm gonna be writing it writing it down.
[04:09:09] Unknown:
Okay. I'll
[04:09:11] Unknown:
okay. It says that Oh, hey. I'm faster type hold on, Samuel. Hold on. I'm a faster typer. Maybe I'll put it into the chat. Wow. That'd be cool. Please. Okay. Here we go. I'm ready.
[04:09:25] Unknown:
Okay. It's it's titled declaration of independence. I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of the almighty creator, by my declaration
[04:09:40] Unknown:
I don't type that fast. Hold on.
[04:09:43] Unknown:
Okay.
[04:09:44] Unknown:
By the power. Is that what you said? By the power of my almighty creator?
[04:09:52] Unknown:
I have an idea. John or Jane Doe in the name of the almighty creator.
[04:09:59] Unknown:
Okay. In the name.
[04:10:01] Unknown:
I have an idea. We're actually still streaming, but I've got about 6 minutes to take this stream down before it resets and hangs up on everybody. So why don't you just read through it, Samuel, and then anybody that wants to hear it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again can listen to the archive. And because they know it's gonna be in the last 5 minutes of the show, it's gonna be pretty easy to find now, won't it?
[04:10:35] Unknown:
Well, thank you, Paul. I appreciate that.
[04:10:38] Unknown:
And good to get And then you can type it if you want to too. So Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. The the name of it is declaration of independence, and it says, I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of the almighty creator, by my declaration of independence, solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my res entrust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the Republic. Any and all past and present political ties implied by operation of law or otherwise in trust with the democracy is hereby dissolved.
I, John, or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish Congress as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America, a republic. And then he has a notary and signature. You know all that.
[04:11:49] Unknown:
There you go. Excellent.
[04:11:51] Unknown:
And I think that's a great point to end the program. Thank you for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, the Sabado edition, featuring special guest, Joe Lustica. Go to the matrix stocks.com. That is the matrix, d o c s dot com for this and, many other archives, links to the live radio streams, and also the free conference call links so you can actually join us live on the show. Thank you so much for being with us for this episode. Sunday, no program, but we'll be right back Monday with the first hour with John Kasarab talking about the Itera, frequency wand. The Itera Care terahertz frequency wand.
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[00:01:49] Unknown:
Alright. So would we, we're trying and even working overtime on the weekends as it is the Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch here. The February 1st February 1st, I got a lot of this is that short month with sweetie's day in it and all that kind of stuff. You better not forget that day if you got a significant other. And, Roger Sales, your host here. And, it's the as I said, the Saturday edition. We're on an abbreviated probably, severely abbreviated list of, partners this morning, but, that'll just make Paul's job a little easier. So, Paul, if you would go over the the, folks that are with us on the weekend, or is there 1 or 2 or not many. Everybody drops off and goes about their business.
[00:02:45] Unknown:
Hang on. There we go. Okay. Now okay. Got the buttons pushed. We're on, Eurofolks and, Global Voice Radio. That's it. Okay. Soon. Go to the matrixstocks.com.
[00:02:58] Unknown:
Man, we're good. Back to the core. Back to the core. Okay. Well, today, we, I had a message. I was looking through emails, and there was a message from Joe on there. I I don't think it was I think I'd neglected it for a couple of days. And he said, would you like for me to come on and tell a story about the, what happened to me? And I that was Thursday or something. I said, well, why don't you come on, like, Saturday? It'll give us because these are this show is tailor made for that kind of presentation. We don't get the reach. We might normally we it'll be on tape, but Saturday Thursday are the 2 days that are just a little bit different. I don't know why from my standpoint here as a host.
And, so, anyway, I I hope Joe made it today. Joe, did you make it, buddy? Because I know that that's kinda what we decided on and give you a a a nice, long, cushiony, time to go over all the details that were involved in your fiasco. Are you with us?
[00:04:01] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm here.
[00:04:02] Unknown:
There he is. Hey, Joe. How you doing?
[00:04:05] Unknown:
Good. Good. How's it going today?
[00:04:08] Unknown:
It's going good on my end, I think, at this point. No major malfunctions. So do you wanna just launch off? I mean, Joe is as I've said, you know, and Kaye joined us earlier this week. She heard us talking about Connecticut. We had somebody from Connecticut on, and she popped in. And, she had heard basically about your accomplishments in this situation, but not all the details. So, anyway, I think she's probably listening today. Maybe Paul too. And, excuse me. Yikes. I wish I could get rid of that. So today's the perfect day. For the listeners that are relatively new. I wanna use Joe as an example here because Kaye and Paul, the aforementioned, I've told the story a couple of times. They were early, early listeners just like John Kacera right in that same time frame, as a matter of fact.
And Kaye, they'd been out in California, and Kaye had, they gotten that foreclosure 202,008 deal. And Kaye tried to go in and defend it herself in court and got slam dunked, and they lost the house. And then she stumbled on us. And right after that, their daughter had the first grandchild. And so they just decided to cut loose California, smart move a long time ago, and, moved to Connecticut so they could help with the grandchild. And as the grandchild got a little bit older, he wanted to, learn to play the guitar, and Kaye reached out and met this guy, Joe. And Yep. They start talking, and Joe's here with us and has become a, a just a a a rich resource for us because, Joe, you're one of the better researchers I've ever come across, in all honesty. I tip my hat to you. Your determination, your bulldoggedness, and the light of everything they were throwing at you, and all that stuff. It's just a real pleasure to have you as one of our, core members, really, and, as a friend and a and a person that associates with us here in our message. So we're tickled to death to have you, and I continue to thank, Kaye.
And for the audience, this is just one of those, you never know who you're talking to really or who they know. Okay? And here Kaye starts running her mouth about all this stuff. It resonates with Joe. He comes over and checks us out, and, wow, here we are a couple of years later. Tickled to death to have you, Joe.
[00:06:46] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger. And I I mean, really, I appreciate what you've done for everybody and the years and effort that you put into everything, you know, putting this information out there and, you know, looking at what other people share when they talk about this kind of stuff, they it just kinda all over the place, very inconsistent, and they can't back up their information. And and you were the the first guy I ever came across where your information was backed by court decisions, by the by the laws, everything. So it it really inspired me to be like, hey. Look. You know, if this guy can talk about this stuff and have this stuff backed up with something solid, that's that's that is the way we should be behaving, you know, in this in this, field of life. So
[00:07:36] Unknown:
Well, you you took to it like a duck to water, buddy. Yeah. So I'm glad to put that confidence and power and and and insight and foresight into your hands because that's all this information is just so powerful. And for the newer people that might be listening, you just don't have any idea what you're dealing with and how powerful it is. And you might not for a while, and that's why I try to shortcut the time frame it takes to uptake and internalize this information for you. Because normally, it just takes a while. You're you're changing everything in your life that, you know, most everything you ever been told was a lie. You're getting all that straightened out.
Again, excuse me. It's a life changing experience. K? So, Joe, I'll shut up, and let's just let you, launch off, and you've got plenty of time. You're not gonna be interrupted, and you can tell every grizzly little detail.
[00:08:36] Unknown:
If I could.
[00:08:38] Unknown:
Sure.
[00:08:40] Unknown:
Joe, I sent you a private message. I sent you an invite link, for Zoom if you wanna use that because I can prioritize you and Raj over everything else if you're both in Zoom. But if you don't have access to that, it's fine. Just continue in FCC. You're a panelist. So Okay. Hold on. I'm gonna Whatever works for you. Whatever whatever you have access to. Do you think it would,
[00:09:05] Unknown:
improve his fidelity, Paul, a bit? It definitely would. In that case, Joe, because I I think this is real important. If you do you have that Zoom link?
[00:09:19] Unknown:
I think he might have actually dropped out already. I think he might be exercising it right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
[00:09:27] Unknown:
Yes. He is definitely exercising his Zoom options. Yeah. You know, honestly, I've been in this a long time, 30 30 plus years, 30 approaching 34 or 5 or something. I've lost count. But, I don't know of anybody personally that has ever achieved what Joe's achieved here quite frankly. Really. Okay. And that's the import and why I wanted to bring him on so all y'all could hear this. And my number of you have joined since, this is this is old news. It started a couple of years ago, and Joe pops on every now and then. But he's been such a a wonderful contributor to what we do here for, the w a w a b e n. I I would have never known what that was. I never heard of it before.
Going to the Department of Transportation and registering your car as a private conveyance. All those things are the things that Joe brought us. Okay? And now on top of that, he took his research prowess and his understanding and his guts. His guts, quite frankly. It takes balls to do what Joe's done here and, decided to fight the, speak truth to power. K? They say you can't, beat city hall. Well, that's just not correct. Joe, did you make it back with us? Yes. I did. Down here on, Oh, far better. Far better.
[00:10:51] Unknown:
Okay. So, alright. So alright. So as everyone knows, where if you don't know, my car has a private, Department of Transportation exemption number, okay, which it seems as though most of the country, the the police force around the country tend to recognize it because most people don't have any issues with this number. And it seems to be only the small little towns where the police are very unfamiliar with this, this DOT thing because all 50 states have adopted the Department of Transportation Regulations. What they've done is there is an exemption for people not in a commercial capacity.
Okay. So all 50 states actually have that adopted into their administrative code within their their legal setup. So it's kind of interesting. The police aren't trained on this stuff, in those small little towns, but it seems like the state troopers and the highway patrol do know what this is, so they tend to leave you alone. So I got stopped because local cop, small town cop, didn't didn't recognize my plate, so he pulled me over. And, he, you know, he got, he was very giddy with me when he stopped me. He goes, oh, I need to see your driver's license. Give it to me now. And I'm like, well, hold on a second here. I just would like to let you know before we get anything started, I'm not gonna waive my 4th, 5th, or 6th amendment right, and I would like to have counsel present before I can do have any questions, be asking any questions. And he goes, no. No. No. We're not doing any of that stuff. So they pulled me out of the car and arrested me. And their well, their reason for arresting me was failure to identify during a motor vehicle stop. So New Jersey has a statute that says they can arrest someone if they don't identify.
Now this is the first thing. So they I I already told them I wanna have counsel present before I answer any questions. Right? And that's that's under Miranda rights. You know, that's part of your Miranda rights. They're supposed to actually read that to you during any kind of custodial, arrest. Right? If they stop and pull you over, they're supposed to read you your Miranda
[00:13:08] Unknown:
rights on on the fact if you're being detained. So this must be done. Joe, I'm gonna interrupt you. Aren't when they pull you over, aren't you technically arrested? Yeah. Aren't they arresting you?
[00:13:20] Unknown:
Yes. Because, yes, any kind of form of detainment is considered an arrest. Okay. And they have to read you your rights up on that in that moment. So, and they never do, really. So they didn't actually read me my rights until until about maybe less than 10 minutes before they let me go. Right? They read me my rights. So so what happened was when when they pulled me out of the car, I had a pocket knife in my pocket, And, they took that from me. How long?
[00:13:52] Unknown:
I somebody said last time, would would it go from your one palm part of your palm to the other on a diagonal?
[00:13:59] Unknown:
No. It didn't make it.
[00:14:01] Unknown:
Okay. So it's a little clean your fingernails knife.
[00:14:04] Unknown:
Yeah. It's like a thing I used to, like, open up boxes and cut cut, like, stuff with, you know, like, those little, zip ties and stuff like that. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So I was given about 10 motor vehicle charges. No license, no registration, no insurance. Then they kinda compounded those charges again. They gave me, like, a weird charge for not telling the DMV of my new address, which I'm like, well, that's if I don't wanna tell them, I don't have to give them any information if I don't want to. So that I mean, that ticket right there is a violation of your 4th Amendment right. So, you know, it's like a ridiculous charge.
And then they give me 5 felony charges, for weapons possession, possession of a deadly weapon, intent to harm persons or property with a deadly weapon, using a deadly weapon, to prevent a police investigation, which, by the way, I never pulled it out. Like, I never it's not like I pulled it out and I threatened them. You know, I'm, I'm not the kind of guy to do something like that. You know, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight, and those guys are walking around with guns. Right. But they they put it in like I was like using the knife to stop their investigation. That's what they said. So I got a couple of charges for that too.
Then they gave me a counterfeiting, felony charge for my license plate. So I was counterfeiting license plates.
[00:15:39] Unknown:
Well, needless to say, 2 things. Hey. This guy had a penis erectus for you. Had you had previous, path crossings with him on anything?
[00:15:49] Unknown:
Not with this guy. No. Uh-huh. Okay. And that,
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what was the other thing I was gonna say? That the this is the reason that a lot of people hate cops. Go ahead.
[00:16:01] Unknown:
So they bring me down to the station, and, you know So now you are under arrest? Oh, yeah. Yep. So I'm I'm in handcuffs. I get down to the station. They, you know, they they time they chain me up to a bench. I'm sitting there. They're kinda going through everything that was in my pocket. That's how they get my name from the passport, and then they, they pull up all my DMV information. What they do is they use the name and the birth date, and then they plug that into their DMV, database, and it spits out the DMV information. So that's what they did to get my DMV information, like the expired driver's license and stuff.
So, they they go and take my fingerprints. They they tell me to sign it. Now this is kinda funny. What I did was I signed it. I wrote non assumption on the, signature page for the fingerprints, and non assumption means that I don't promise to perform on the contract. They didn't really look at it because I just kinda wrote it in, you know, in script and cursive, so they couldn't I don't think those guys can read cursive or something. So they just kinda let it go. You know? Otherwise, I think they would give me a hard time. Because I don't know what they're doing with the fingerprints other than identifying me, so I figured if they're trying to get me into some kind of contract with the with the fingerprints, I might as well just tell them I'm not gonna perform on the contract.
Then they, then the guy comes over, and he pulls up a piece of paper. He goes, I have to let you know your rights. Your rights are, you know, and then he reads me the the Miranda rights. And then, he brings the piece of paper over to me. He goes, okay. Sign here. And I start reading it, and it says that I would be waiving all of those rights. So I go, oh, I'm not gonna sign this. He goes, oh, well, you don't have to sign. It just makes things easier for us. I said, well, I'm not gonna sign it. He's like, why not? I said, it's you just read me all these rights. He was like, yeah. I was like, okay. So now I'm aware of these rights, and you're telling me to waive them?
And he's like, well, I mean, we're just trying we're just trying to get this done so that way we can make things easier for us. So I said, alright. Well, I'm not gonna sign it. He goes, okay. That's fine. And then, my by the way, my cell phone was recording the whole time he had the cell phone by over by his desk. So he's like after he does that, he walks over to, like, one of the guys in training, and he whispers to him something and then walks out. Later on, I listened back to the recording, and he goes, don't talk to this guy. He invoked his rights. That's what he said to him, which is kind of ironic because I invoked my rights from the from the first, like, 5 seconds of our encounter, and only until after I refused to sign that paperwork did he acknowledge my rights.
But that's so when I was trying to talk to the other guy, he just ignored me. And I found out later on that that was why. That's quite interesting, isn't it?
[00:19:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, you're makes it easier for us. Well, I'm sorry, sir. I'm not into making life easier for you.
[00:19:13] Unknown:
No. It didn't make my life any easier, did he? No kidding. So then they give me the, all the charges, and they let me go. Alright. Just a few minutes after that. And, so I leave. I go home. My wife's, like, you know, upset. And, understandably so. And then I get, they told me I had to go down to the county to go make an appearance. I went down to the county. I think it was, like, 2 weeks later. And the clerk, she just looks at my paperwork and she stamps it and she goes, okay, we'll have someone call you. And I'm like, what? What is this about? She goes, well, you have like felony cases, so you have to talk to, a probation officer.
And the probation officer is gonna help, work out getting you, a, like, legal counsel. I was like, but I'm not on probation. I haven't been made guilty of any crimes. They're like, well, that's just how we do things here.
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Sent us sentence now, verdict later.
[00:20:19] Unknown:
They've they so so the probation officer calls me about, like, 2 or 3 days later, and she was nice, but she kept asking, like, she's asking all these questions. She's like, well, I wanna see if you qualified to get a public defender. I said, I don't want one. I'm not gonna get a lawyer. She she goes, no. You have to. And I said, no. I don't have to have a lawyer. And she kept being insistent about it, and I said, no. I'm not gonna get one. And she goes, listen. The judge says that you have to have a lawyer. I said, alright. Well, I'll I'll sort that out with the judge later. Okay?
And so I just I just finished the thing with her. She started asking me all kinds of now mind you, this is supposed to be finding out my finances in regard to if I can afford my own attorney or get, like, a public defender. And then she starts asking me questions like, oh, what kind of tattoos do you have? And I'm like, well, how is this relevant to to my financials, situation? She's like, well, you know, it's just a question on here. Like, well, I'm not answering any of those questions. So she she kinda got a little frustrated with me because I I I basically refused to answer most of her questions.
She asked me if I was employed. I said no. She's like, are you self employed? Yes. I am. Okay. What do you do? I'm not gonna answer that question. Where do you work? I don't wanna answer that question. You know? And so all she knows is I'm self employed. That's it. And, she has no other information. I'm I'm not providing it. So she was pretty frustrated about it, but she was she was pretty nice about it despite the fact I gave her a hard time by answering any questions. You know? And when she did try to, like, push on it a little bit, I said, well, did I didn't I don't remember waiving my 5th amendment right to be to, to not self incriminate, so I don't have to really answer any of these questions.
And she kinda that's when she kinda was like, alright. Whatever. We'll we'll just answer any questions you're comfortable answering. So then I was supposed to go into court. They wanted me to do an online meeting. Right? I got this notice, like, to appear here, here's the Zoom link. So I go in there, and, it's just like a it's like a girl and a man on the screen. And I'm asking the guy, I go, well, who are you? He goes, I'm the public defender. I go, who's that? Like, oh, she's the clerk. I said, okay. Well, what what is this meeting about then? There's no judge here? Like, no. No. No. Well, you you know, you qualify for a public defender, so we're gonna work out and tell you what what you're looking at. And, he told me that he said, look. You got you got some serious charges here. You got 5 felony charges that could land you in jail up to 13 years.
I said, over a pocket knife? He goes, well, look. I'm just telling you what what it is. You know? I'm like, I was like, this doesn't make any sense to me. He goes, it makes sense to you. You just don't agree with it. I said, no. It doesn't make sense to me. If if first of all, a a knife is is is categorized as a tool, not a weapon. Okay? Second of all, so if even if it was a weapon, the second amendment protects my right to carry 1. So those charges are all fraudulent to begin with on the face. I don't care if I was walking around with a sword. It doesn't matter. You have second amendment rights.
Right? I have second amendment rights. How could you just ignore them? Right? And so it's a it's a total invalidation of of your rights, You know? A pocket knife of all things too. It's not even like it wasn't like I was walking around with a bazooka. You know? That would be a little extreme. Alright. So, he kinda he was really annoyed with me, but then they gave me a, an arraignment date in early July. So the the rest happened in May. June, July comes. So before July, what I did was because they told me I had to have someone, and the public defender was going to defend me, I sent in a letter, and it was I I I wrote a termination of power of attorney.
Alright? And I sent in my affidavit along with it. So I sent in my affidavit talking about being a national, and I sent in a, termination of power of attorney. And this termination of power of attorney is is a pretty big deal because what they did was when I sent that in, apparently and I'll read it to you. I'm just gonna go look for it and pull it up. Let me read what I wrote on there.
[00:25:02] Unknown:
Joe, while you're looking for that, you said May June July and all this. Mhmm. What year when that 23?
[00:25:09] Unknown:
That was 24. Because the the other court there was a different court case where I got the car taken, stuff like that.
[00:25:16] Unknown:
It's where the judge said you bought gas, so he had jurisdiction. Is that incident?
[00:25:22] Unknown:
Yeah. That's a that was a different incident. Okay. So that that one's all done and over with. But this this is the the the other one. Alright. So I wrote this termination power of attorney. I said, this document is to be entered in evidence at the earliest possible opportunity. I hereby put all people and persons on legal and lawful notice that I hereby void and terminate all past and present powers of attorney. This include all lawyers, attorneys, barristers, and solicitors, and esquires, and guardians, right, guardians counselors, and the like now and forevermore.
According to corpus juris secundum chapter 7 section 4, attorneys have a dual obligation. Their first duty is to the courts and the public. Only when those are satisfied do they have a duty to the client. With that in mind, I will hold court in persona, in persona, inappropriate persona, sui Juris, which just means that I'm gonna be, as myself in my proper person. And I let all involved in this controversy know that I do not consent to the proceedings. I accept no benefit of the state. I hope you will honor this demand and file a motion to withdraw in the court so this decision becomes a matter of court record. Thank you in advance. I sent them that, and then what I did was I sent them also a, a notice showing that the name that they were using was, trademarked.
So it was a trademarked name. I was revoking the the I was terminating power of attorney. I gave him, legal authority on why I was doing it. Since the attorney doesn't have me in his best interest. He has to make the court happy first, and that's where his duty lays first. I can't rely on him to actually do the best for me, so I have to terminate all power of attorneys. And they said nothing to me. There was no communication, no nothing. So in July, I showed up. My wife came with me. We went down to the courtroom, and, you know, when they open up the doors, everyone starts walking in. And as I start walking in, the woman stops me at the door. She goes, woah. Woah. Woah. Who are you?
I go, me? She's like, yeah. I'm like and it's kinda weird because she just let everyone else walk in, but the second I walk in, she stops me. And she goes, yeah. Yeah. What's your name? And so I give her the name, and then she says, oh, we we haven't looked at that case yet. You know, come back next week, and, you know, we'll we'll do your arraignment next week. Alright? We haven't gotten that one ready. So I leave.
[00:28:04] Unknown:
And then That's a little suspicious. Go ahead. Yeah. That was, yeah, that was weird.
[00:28:10] Unknown:
So, the next week, my wife actually took off of work to come do this thing with in court with me. And, we're getting ready to go, and I get a phone call from the courthouse. They said, oh, don't worry about, coming in. We we got rid of that case. We've we've dropped it. And, I said, oh, great. Thank you very much. So I thought that was the end of it. I said, well, that's great. But turns out what happened was the municipal court that arrested me picked up the case. They decided to to try the case, even though New Jersey says that, municipal courts are not allowed to to try felony felony charges.
So they could only really charge the motor vehicle charges, but they couldn't do the felony charges. But they were just kind of ignoring that and just pushing it anyway. Presumption. Yeah. They were so what I did at first, I sent in the same exact paperwork that I sent into the other court. Termination of power of attorney. Right? The the my, affidavit. Okay. And the, the trademark. What they did was they changed all the paperwork and spelled the name differently and then sent in the same thing saying I had to appear in court anyway. So I what I did was I trademarked the name the way they had it, newly written, and I sent it back in. They then again changed the the spelling of the name, sent another notice in for me to appear with a different
[00:29:48] Unknown:
altered version of the name. Well, how could they even expect you to be forced to appear if they're spelling your name wrong? You're a different person.
[00:29:57] Unknown:
Like, the first way they were doing it was all capital letters with the middle initial. Then they did it, all capital letters, first name, last name without the middle name. Then the third time, they did it upper lower case with the middle initial, period. So I trademarked all all three versions of the name like that. And that's because I'm almost like, well, they're playing a name game. Obviously, that's what they're doing because they keep changing the paperwork. I mean, even the paper they printed on was different each time. So I'm like, well, that's interesting. So I don't know what that's about, but it's it does speak volumes. The fact that when I sent all that stuff in, they just changed the the spelling of the name.
[00:30:39] Unknown:
They have never probably run across someone with the amount of prowess that you have, Joe. Be my guest.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Yeah. So, so I I sent them that last one. They just kind of ignored it. Right? I guess they were kinda like, he's gonna just keep trademarking names. You know, where are we gonna go with that? So they just let it go, and they just ignored it. I noticed, like, what the court likes to do is just ignore everything.
[00:31:07] Unknown:
Oh, yeah.
[00:31:08] Unknown:
So what they did was they sent another letter with the last spelling of the name. They kept it that way ever since. Like, they just kinda was like, well, we're not changing it again. We're gonna come after you. And then they sent me a new notice citing that I was gonna have to appear in March of 2025. Now mind you, this is August of 2024. Wow. Right? So I'm like I I'm like, well, that's a really long time. There's gotta be something on that because we have a right to, a speedy trial. Mhmm. Right? So I'm like, so I go looking through the New Jersey statutes, and, the New Jersey statutes has a 90 day window to do arraignment on criminal cases.
And the 90 day window had already expired. So I just wrote up a motion to dismiss, and I cited not the statute, but the actual enacted law that the statute comes from. So, you know, like, a lot of people talk about how statutes are in law, and, you know, it's true because if you read your state constitution, the state constitution tells you what the legislation will pass as the laws for the state, and they're not called statutes or codes. They're usually called bills. Sometimes they're called acts, but it depends on what your state constitution says.
So the statutes are just evidence of law, but they're not the law themself. Mhmm. So what I did was I found the the actual bill that that statue came from, and I put that on my motion to dismiss with the enacting clause and everything on there. Alright? And I said, here's a motion to dismiss. Right? And I said, because you only have 90 days to do an arraignment on, any kind of criminal charges. And since you list everything on here, the motor vehicle charges and such as crimes and criminal, and there has been no arraignment, and it's been almost a 180 days, a motion to dismiss all charges, and I sent that in.
And, I I got a letter back about 3 days later changing the court gate to September. So they moved it from March of 2025 back to September of 2024. So at first, I'm like, well, what's that about? And then I I thought about it. I said, you know what? I think I know what's going on. I think what they're doing is they're going to hear my motion to dismiss. I mean, lot I mean, that just makes sense to me logically, but, you know, if it's not, then it's not. But turns out, you know, as as the days were coming, I'm like, nothing's happening, and I'm I'm on here talking with people. And, Mark, straw man, he suggests I do a writ of prohibition.
Right? Because I I'm like, well, I don't see why would you even have to appear to do a motion to dismiss the judge could just grant it. Right. And they just mail it in, but they wanted me to come in. So I was kinda like, alright, something's something's wrong here, because they keep changing the court dates. They're flip flopping all over the place with the court dates. Right? It's, like, all over the place. Pretty unusual. Yeah. Yeah. They were having a hard time with me. You know, especially with the the affidavit that I put in and and, the trademarking of the name, they were they were, like, really fighting here. So I put in a writ of prohibition. What I did was I sent it I sent them a copy. I sent a copy to the judge. I sent a copy to the prosecutor.
I sent a copy to the clerk of the court, and I sent a copy to the county, to the exact courthouse that dropped the case originally. And I said, well, here's the brief in support of a writ of prohibition. And I said that, I'm applying this because, due to New Jersey constitution article 1 clause 10, right, gives me a right to a speedy trial. And it says, senate number, 946 January 20, 2014, and the New Jersey statutes says that I have, a 90 day window to do an arraignment on any kind of criminal charges, and that there's a 180 day provision in order to try a criminal case.
The 180 days has has lapsed, and thus, there is no way we can do any kind of seeing on this court case at all. Right? So, and so I'm saying, like, please stop the lower court from trying to pursue this case because they're they're, like, itching to throw me in jail when when they don't have jurisdiction to see the case. I cited the the New Jersey, laws on that. I also cited, the fact that it's they missed a 90 day arraignment window. They missed a 180 day trial, criminal trial window, and I listed out how, each specific charge and the statute that says that they can't see that charge, specifically within the, the criminal code for New Jersey.
And, you know, I heard I've never I've never heard back from that upper court. Alright? Nothing. I heard nothing from them.
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Silence deeps consent.
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Yeah. So well, but the the lower court just kept insisting I was coming in. I even called them, and I said, hey. You know, I sent in some paperwork. Did you guys get it? They said, yeah. You're still coming in, though. I'm like, well, jeez. You guys sound really nice. So I showed up. It was, I think it was the end of September, And, I I went in and, you know, the prosecutor starts arguing with me about the motion to dismiss, telling me that it doesn't make any sense. And, he starts arguing about titles, titles versus chapters. So I had to I had to say I had to explain to him. I said, well, a title covers an entire subject.
The chapters cover the little intricacies of of that subject. I said, so when I was explaining you the different chapters, I was talking about the chapters of that title because he was trying to argue with me that I was confusing chapters and titles. I said, no. I didn't confuse that. I think you're confused. Yeah. You you either are trying to trying to trick me into getting me confused, or you really don't understand how the statutes are written out. The lamb. He got Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. Because when when I explained it to him, he just kinda he slunked it to his seat, and he goes, go make your motion to the judge.
Right? I think what my my what I think he was thinking was that I bought some paperwork off for somebody, and someone else was doing this for me. Uh-huh. But as I was going through the, the motion to dismiss and explaining it piece by piece to him, he realized that, 1, I knew what I was talking about. 2, that I was the one that put this together. Alright. And that, all the little fancy his little fancy, you know, trickery wasn't working on me. So he just kinda slumped in his chair and gave up. Yep. Right. So I went in, the the judge started, like, pretending that there was no motion to dismiss.
And I said, I said, well, I did put in a motion in to dismiss, and she goes, oh, yeah. Well, okay. And she goes fumbling through the paperwork, and then she goes, oh, yeah. Yeah. You're, she reads it. She goes, okay. Well, your motion is gonna be denied. I said, why? She goes, there's no statute of limitation on crimes. I said, that's not what it says. It says that New Jersey has you have 90 days to do an arraignment on criminal charges or the charges get dropped, and she and she yelled at me, right, about that. She's like, there is no statute of limitation. I said, well, I did put a writ of prohibition in with the upper court regarding this. I'm just waiting to hear back from them, And she yelled at me again. She goes, this isn't going away.
That was her communication to me. This isn't going away. And then she said, you can go get a you can go look for a public defender, or find your own attorney, but, you're gonna come we're gonna we're gonna send you a letter to tell you when to come back, and she kicked me out of the the courtroom. So it was like the most point. They didn't ask me if I was pleading guilty or not guilty. That none of that. They just it was really to hear the motion, but they tried to ignore it until I had to bring it up. And the judge is supposed to give someone in per per,
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proper or representing yourself. They're supposed to give you more leniency and leeway because you're not an attorney instead of yelling at you and kicking you out of the courtroom.
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No. Yeah. So she wasn't she she was definitely and, you know, I did this in front of, like, most of the people in the court. I was, like, the 5th or 6th person to come up. Oh. So the fact that I wasn't, like, getting shaken by her or by the prosecutor and the fact that I knew what I was doing really, I think, really set her off. Yep. Yeah. So, so they kicked me out, and, I got a letter, saying to go in. It was at the it was, like, the middle of December. Right? So, I'm like, okay. Well, look, these guys are itching to really throw me in jail. So I have to get a little bit, crazier about this. I gotta get I gotta get tougher.
So what I did was I, I've decided, well, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna find out what their authority is on how they can bring these charges to me, and I'm gonna bring this all the way up and down through the entire, you know, governmental system of New Jersey Yep. And get an answer from somebody. Okay. So, so what I did was I went through the New Jersey constitution. Right? I went through, I was reading this, so this is what I was doing. I was putting together what's called the writ of co warranto and it's basically the writ of co warranto is a it's a letter asking under what authority are you bringing this to me. Right?
And, I I was like, I need to know, like, the authority and all that stuff. But as I was going through this writ, I realized that this writ of co lorento actually has more power to it than I thought. So
[00:42:02] Unknown:
Joe, let let me interrupt. It's a common law writ, isn't it? Yes. Yep. Go ahead. Against the corporation.
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Okay.
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Well, this the other thing that probably irks them is that I went and get their DUNS number, and I put it on there on all the paperwork. So I show, like, the city is actually operating as a business. Here's its business number. Right? But when I was going through this, Quo Warrento stuff, I found that, by studying this because I'm studying this Quo Warrento, and, I found out that the the cities, the each each, municipal corporation is created under an act of the state and that the act, if they violate the provisions of that act, they forfeit the city.
And so I'm like, well, this is really interesting. So I first thing I did, I said, well, let me go find out when they got incorporated. I had to go dig, dig, dig, and finally, on the city's website, they have this it's, I mean, it's an old it's a photograph of this, typed up paper on, like, some old fashioned type of paper. It's really interesting. Right? And what it says is that, what it says on there is that, in the matter of petition for the formalities of a borough government to be known as mayor and council of the borough of Cliffside Park because that's the name of the the town. It's called the borough of Cliffside Park Incorporated. It's the actual legal name. Right?
So, it says that they put a petition for the people of, of of the township of Ridgefield in the county of Bergen in the state of New Jersey. And what they were doing was since since this area was considered part of this town called Ridgefield at that point in time. Right? What they were gonna do by the way, this is, like, 1895, So there's a lot of digging to go find that. Oh, wow. You know? And and it says it cited in there that they were creating this borough under the authority of the act of April 5th, 18 78. I said, oh, they decided their authority to become a borrower. So now I have to go find that act of 18 78.
This is a lot of researching to do, you know. So I mean, the amount of digging to go find that. And then I found this thing from April 5th, 18, 78, and it says that, any, body politic in the state of New Jersey, and it gives a certain amount, like, I think it's like 5,000, if they would like to incorporate into a borough, I think they gave like a couple of them. They said like a borough or, I think a village. So I think it was village boroughs and another type of town. Right. So that they can do that and that they can make such bylaws and rules for their government as are not inconsistent with the spirit and intention of this act, the Constitution and laws of the state and of the United States.
I said, oh, there it is right there. So now in order for them to remain a government, they have to abide by the Constitution of New Jersey and of the United States. They have to abide by the laws of the state and the laws of the United States, so then I said, okay, now I have their authority to be a city. So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to go and look up all the different rights of mine that were violated that are that are secured and protected by the state and federal Constitution, the state and federal laws, Okay. And I put a whole list of these things together. So one was they violated my 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment right under the federal Constitution.
Right. Those rights are also protected under the New Jersey Constitution as well. So most most of the states have adopted all the the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments inside of their Constitution in some way or another. New Jersey does not have a right to bear arms provision inside of its constitution, but the borough has to uphold and acknowledge someone's 2nd Amendment rights. So even though the New Jersey Constitution doesn't specifically mention that. So I put I put in those, I cited the New Jersey, right to a speedy trial was violated, on the federal level was violated. They they took my property, without just compensation and without without, you know, finding me guilty of a crime under due process, so that's a violate. That's also a 5th Amendment violation. Due without due cause.
Right. So they took they took private property without due cause. They took, I didn't get a speedy trial, okay, nor was it public. Okay? They, you know, my 4th amendment right was violated because, you know, they they told me I didn't have a right. I had to answer questions when I was on when I was in a custodial arrest. My rights, under the New Jersey statutes, just talking about the criminal codes was violated a whole bunch of times because 90 day arraignment, they ignored that. They ignored the 180 day, trial date for for criminal cases. All that stuff, my right to travel was violated.
The fact that I had a valid, exemption number through the New Jersey code of admin code. Right? They violated that too. So I have federal protections under that and they ignored that. So I so so I put this writ together, and I said that, you know, the Cliffside Park, borough of incorporated, and they give the DUNS number. I said, incorporated on, January 15, 18 95 by the power authority of this act. Right. And then they cite the act from April 5th, 18 78. And I cite there and it says, it says that Cliffside Park has a duty per the above, encoded law right, or enacted law to uphold and protect the rights of the people. If they are not within the powers of the constitution of the United States and the general laws of the United States and the laws of the state of New Jersey, they don't have any powers and are in violation of their corporate charter. They are a franchise. They promised that they would be within the powers of the of the United States and general laws of the state of New Jersey, and then I show their, incorporated, document that says that they would do that. I said the New Jersey constitution cites that every state officer before entering upon duties of his office shall take and subscribe an oath and affirmation to support the constitution of this state and of the United States and to perform the duties of his office faithfully and partially and justly to the best of his ability.
And I said the jurisdiction of this writ is under the common law. Okay? I am a man and one of the people and not a corporate entity. I'm not under any statutory obligation contract with my expressed consent. If there's any contract, it is under a silent agreement made without my expressed consent. I have not waived any rights protected by the constitution. The legal grounds for this writ, has not been canceled, by the way. New Jersey never canceled the writ of co warranto, not even in their statute. Some states have done that, I found out. Really? Yeah. Some states would be like, oh, we canceled those writs. We don't do those anymore. So they did not do that. So this writ of qua warranto has not been canceled, and any New Jersey statute making the claim that it is canceled is without merit and void due to the New Jersey constitution.
Only can the New Jersey Constitution cancel any writ according to its constitution. Right? Like, they put in some kind of stipulation saying they wouldn't honor those writs anymore, but only the constitution can change the constitution. Well, if it's if it's an embedded common law doctrine with the exception of Louisiana, I can't understand how any state would have the power to do that. They they don't. But you see, it's it's all, you know, it's you have to challenge the constitutionality of these statutes and no one ever does. You know the,
[00:50:43] Unknown:
the Robert Barnes is using a quo warranto in that case against Pfizer with the whistleblower down in Texas. It's in Beaumont, I believe. It's federal case, but it was in Beaumont. So so other people are using them, and at least Texas, can't hadn't done away with them either. I don't think the other states could do away with them, Joe.
[00:51:06] Unknown:
No. They they can't, but they they they'll put, you know, they'll put, like, a sticker over it, something trying to hide it. You know, that's how I look at it. Like Well,
[00:51:16] Unknown:
don't do anything to try and trick you. As y'all are hearing in this story right here, and I hope also for maybe the newer people, and I tell you, if you're green light. If you wanna go fight the state and city hall, go do it if you're wrong. But you're getting a sense now of what's involved in something like that. And the fact that even Joe's kinda alluded to it a little bit, he's got a wife and 2 young children at home too while being self employed. So just to throw those in for the mix, don't we got somebody here who won. Okay? But you may win too, but just realize if you've never done legal stuff, boy, it's like the pig at breakfast. You know, Joe?
You ever heard of that? You know, when you get steak and eggs or or or or pork and and eggs in the morning that the chicken was involved, but the pig was committed. We you gotta get committed if you're gonna do this. K? Yeah.
[00:52:18] Unknown:
Yeah. I I I remember you've said that before. The pig was committed. Yeah. Alright. So what I did was I cited, some of the New Jersey constitution provisions. I said in article 1 under the rights and privilege section clause 2, it says all political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security, and benefit of the people, and they have the right at all times to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. So I'm I'm so first off, by using that one clause, it says that all political powers inherent in the people and the government because they're instituted for the protection and security of those of the rights of the people. When the cop came in and tried to get me to waive my rights, they were not acting in a governmental capacity at all. They were actually acting in a treasonous capacity
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because they're trying to do the one thing that they were instituted to do to protect my rights. I see they were doing that from the start the way they handled the entire incident, but go ahead.
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Well, no, I agree. But but the evidence would be in that piece of paper. Right? When the cop tries to get me to waive my rights, I say, well, now you're not acting as a government agent at all. Right? You may have done something that you thought was right from the beginning, but the second you tell me I have to waive a right, now you're actually you're in treason and you're in violation of your oath. Clause 7 says that the right of the people to be secure in their person's house papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, which is our 4th amendment. But in New Jersey, it's this it's clause 7 of the rights and privileges.
Okay? No person shall be held, to answer for a criminal offense unless on the presentment or indictment of a grand jury, okay, which they were not doing with me at all. They were ignoring all that stuff. They were just like, we're gonna just prosecute you on criminal charges, and we're gonna make you burn. So they violated that that constitutional provision of the state and says that all criminal prosecutions, they accuse you of the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury. Well, they violated that too because they told me I couldn't do that, and they made me wait over a 180 days for me to even appear in court, which there it's supposed to be 90 days for an arraignment, a 180 days for trial. That's New Jersey's laws based off of that clause 10 in the New Jersey constitution.
Alright? And it says that I can have witnesses again that I can be, I can confront wins witnesses against me. I could attain witnesses in my favor. Okay? And it also says private property should not be taken for public use without just compensation. They violated that too. Individuals or private corporations shall not be authorized to take private property for public use without just compensation made to the owners first. So they violated that one. And then I used the, it says, except as otherwise provided by this constitution, this is still the New Jersey constitution. All writs, actions, judgments, decrees, causes of action, prosecutions, contracts, claims, and rights of individuals, shall continue unaffected, notwithstanding the taking effect of any article of this constitution.
So right there in the constitution, it tells you that they can't cancel any writs, actions, judgments, decrees, causes of actions, prosecutions, contracts, claim, and rights of individuals and of bodies corporate without without making an amendment to the constitution.
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Notice how they used in individuals instead of persons there. Yeah. Yep. That's right. The right of individuals.
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I said this is the New Jersey statute that clearly makes an exception to the motor vehicle statute. So New Jersey, statutes actually has a, an exception to the entire motor vehicle code, And it says automobile and notice they say automobiles. Okay. Not motor vehicles. Right. Automobile fire engines and such self propelling vehicles that are used neither for the conveyance of persons for hire, pleasure of business, nor for the transportation of freights, such as steam road rollers and traction engines are accepted from the provisions of this chapter. I said we'll look at that New Jersey Motor Vehicle Code acknowledges the fact that if you're not in, commerce, then the codes don't apply to you, and that's in their own that's in the revised statutes.
Okay? Then I put in corpus delicti from state, court cases. Right? And, like like New Jersey Supreme Court cases. Right? It says, normally, an individual will only be permitted to seek judicial vindication of his own rights. That's a that's from a New Jersey court case. It says the term corpus delicti embraces the occurrence of loss or injury and criminal causation thereof. I put that in there because the only one who who experienced any kind of injury or loss, right, was me. Yep. I I harmed nobody with my with my DOT exemption number. Nope. I harmed nobody with a pocket knife in my pocket, So they had no corpus delecti.
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How about the couple inches of snow on the roof of the car?
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Oh, well, I mean, I'm surprised they didn't get the SWAT team from you on that one. So I I put in I'm not gonna go through all of them, but I put in about 9 other court cases from the New Jersey Supreme Court talking about what is corpus delecti, what is evidence of a crime, where, you know, injury, harm, and they have they have none of it. Okay? And and that was my point. I said, so, they're a franchise. Okay? This is a franchise. That's what they are. A franchise is said to be a right reserved to the people by the constitution as the elective franchise.
Right? It's a privilege conferred by grant from government invested in 1 or more individuals as a public office. Corporations or body politic are the most usual franchises known to our laws. Now the reason why I'm talking about all this stuff is because I'm showing that there's the the legal ramification for a franchise, a municipal corporation, is that because it's it's created under the laws of the United States and the constitution of the of the state and federal, both state and federal constitutions, that because it's it's because they're given a grant to create that government, and it's a privilege to have that to operate as a government, that if they violate the rules that they forfeit that government that they created. Yep.
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I also cite the, Wouldn't that be like the bylaws of the corporation, the the founding ordinances, etcetera?
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Yeah. That's right. So then I I also cited the federal code that exempts everyone from, in commerce, and then I showed that it was tied in. So I do a request for for relief. I said, defendant corporation. Right? So I put on the writ of co warrant, though, you put them down as defendant and you make yourself plaintiff on in this matter. So you're reversing the the situation here. Uh-huh. Okay. So I was the plaintiff and and the city is the defendant. And for the request for relief, I said defendant corporation, right, has violated provisions of the act under which it was created, and then I cite the the act. It says also violated provisions of the New Jersey constitution clause 2, clause 7, clause 8, clause 10, and clause 20.
It also violated, United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, clause 17, Article 4, Section 4, Republican form of government, Amendment 2, Amendment 4, Amendment 5, Amendment 6, Amendment 7, Amendment 8, and, the 9th Amendment as well. Right? Which is a very interesting little take. Right? The 9th Amendment. Because I'm reserving my rights, that may not be expressly written in the constitution, but I still have those rights. And, the right to travel would be one of those rights that are recognized under the authority of the 9th Amendment. So the New Jersey motor vehicle code, they violated that provision, the New Jersey admin code.
And said, so the defending corporation, borough of, accordingly, has forfeited its charter and become liable to be dissolved by the abuse of its power. The defending corporation, therefore, is dissolved, and the corporate rights, privileges, and franchises of defendants are declared forfeited to the people. Defendant corporation, right, trustees, directors, managers, and other officials, officers, and attorneys, and agents are forever restrained and enjoined from exercising any of the corporate franchise powers, rights, and or privileges previously exercised by defendant, the borough, and from collecting or receiving any debts and or demands belonging to or held by defendant and from paying out or in any manner interfering with transferring or delivering to any person or have any deposits, money, securities, properties, and effects of the defendant city or held by it.
So I'm dissolving the city. And I said that, just, that since that the city, in the county of, right, in the state of New Jersey, b and hereby, that oh, I cited myself, sorry, as the receiver. So by dissolving the corporation, right, all their, physical assets has to be given over to what's called the receiver, one who holds it for to be dispersed out by the so what happens when you do this writ? The people of that borough will now obtain all the property back from the government since the government's being dissolved, and they can hold, they can have an election and decide what they're gonna do with all those properties, but I I named myself as the receiver.
I said that, I'm hereby appointed receiver of all property, real and personal things in action and effects of the said corporation held by, invested in, or which it may be in any wise interest or entitled with the usual powers and duties enjoined and exercised by receivers according to the practice of this court and statutes of the state of New Jersey. Okay. So I said, what I'm gonna have to do is by taking over all of their stuff, I'm going to have the people vote on a time for an election. We're going to and then the people will get to decide what they wanna do with the properties.
If they you know, which turns out the the city owns a lot of stuff. You know, they have, like, their courthouse, the the library. Oh, yeah. They have a few schools there. They have, fire trucks,
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police cars, you know, the police station. You're gonna you're gonna drive the, chief of police car home, are you, Jake?
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Yeah. With my DOT tags. So for the writ to be executed properly, you have to you have to send it to the attorney general of the state Uh-huh. Of course. Which I did. I also contacted the governor's office, and I told him that they I sent them a copy of the writ. And I said, you have rogue agents in the city here who are violating all these things. Here's the writ that I put together as the receiver. You know, I'd like to get this now. The attorney general, if the attorney general does not act on it, I then goes to me to act on it personally. And I can just I can execute the writ without their permission. Yeah. And, so I sent that in and they sent in a, well, the court was totally quiet, but they had me scheduled for December, like mid December.
And I came in there, and I'm sitting there waiting. My wife's sitting there with me, you know. The same, bitch, female judge? Yeah. Same one. Okay. And she was so nice and pleasant to everyone that day. I mean, she was like she you would have been like, wow. What a sweetheart this woman is. She's like, oh, you have a nice day. Merry Christmas. She's saying that to people as they're leaving.
[01:05:15] Unknown:
Happy holidays. Honey draws more flies and vinegar, Joe.
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Yeah. So, now the courtroom is empty, and I'm sitting there with my wife. And the clerk comes in and says, oh, well, Joe Lustica didn't show up. And, the judge says he's sitting right there. And she goes, oh, oh, okay. I'm sitting right up in the front, you know, like, how did they not notice me? So she knew who I was. You know, she remembered me. And she goes, Can you go talk to the prosecutor real quick? So I go, All right. I go up and I go talk to the prosecutor. I go into his office. He goes, Hi, and he looks visibly nervous to me, right? He He looks a little shaken up. He goes, Hey, listen, first thing I'm gonna do, I have to give you due process. I can't just kind of like, you know, like, we can't just like end the court case. Like, we, I can't do that with you. I'm sorry. But here's what I'm gonna do. All these felony charges, they're gone. Alright? So they're just off the table now. Alright?
Tell me about the car. I said, what? The the car? He goes, yeah. Yeah. Tell me about it. Like, because there's all these charges on the car, like, no insurance stuff. I said, well, it's not my car. He goes, okay, fine. Those are all gone.
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You have it in trust, right?
[01:06:27] Unknown:
Yes, that's right. So and they have that paperwork that shows that it's in a trust. Uh-huh. So they he's just like, okay, fine. And, he's just he's like, fine. All those charges are gone. He goes, the only thing is this, this, driver's license thing, he says. So what I'm going to do is, is like, I got to give you discovery. All right. I can't I can't, like, close out the court case without having you have discovery first. So I have to give that to you. So, what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna have the body cam footage sent to you and all the other evidence we're gonna have we're gonna hand it over to you. You come back in a week or so and, come pick it all up, and we'll push the court date out to, like, mid of next year, and, we'll just close out the case then. Okay? But all these charges are gonna be gone. Alright? But I have to give you discovery, and I I have to give you due process.
[01:07:20] Unknown:
Now they're telling you.
[01:07:23] Unknown:
Yeah. So then I go Right. And then I go Hold on, Larry. And so then I go back into the, into the court. The judge, calls me up, gives me a big old smile. She goes, okay. So we're gonna do an adjournment for today. Alright? You guys have a very happy holiday.
[01:07:44] Unknown:
That was it. Was it adjournment for, like, Christmas or something? Christmas?
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Christmas. They sent me a thing to appear in April, but the only charge that's that's standing right now is the no license. Uh-huh. But they said they just want me to have Discovery first so they can so they can close case. One. Okay. Okay. Now,
[01:08:05] Unknown:
hold on, Mark. Larry was sitting there first. I I want Joe to Joe, are you pretty much at the end of the story here? That's that's where we are. You wanna add?
[01:08:15] Unknown:
No. That was it. That's that's what I did to get them to, you know, to stop.
[01:08:23] Unknown:
Well, you were very effective at it. You were very calm. You were you were meticulous and and unrelenting on moving forward and doing your research and taking that time out of a father with 2 young children in his own business to go do all that research. And that's what I tell you folks that have never done anything like this. It's fine if you wanna do it. Okay? And you you you can see here from Joe, it's possible to win. Alright? But what people naively that have never done that before don't realize, I think Joe, is what a demand it is on your life.
And to the point where no matter if you win or not, they almost win automatically because they've stolen your wife your life for you to get that win. That's kind of the conclusions I came up with years ago. Part of the reason we're here today, as a matter of fact, was that court deal I was in with IRS down there in Atlanta. So if you're gonna go into this, god bless you. Just know what's in store and what's demanded of you. That that's my point. So, Larry.
[01:09:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Two questions for Joe. If you if the scenario that you talked about how you the whole city could have been taken over and there needs to be a receiver, it would have all gone back to the people. So if we follow that through hypothetically, what would happen? Would the people be required to get another local government? I mean, is the whole local government being dissolved and they would have to vote in a new government? And does this include the sheriff? Because the sheriff is an elected position.
[01:10:07] Unknown:
The sheriff was not after that. Okay. So they would yes. So, here's what would happen. The receiver has to go get an EIN number for this specific purpose and open up a set up a bank account, right, to receive all the liquidated, assets. Right? Then what what would happen is that, yes, everyone, every single, man or woman that worked for this for the city, would be, barred from ever working in any kind of governmental position ever again. Right? Like, the judge, the prosecutor, all the police, every single cop up and down the line, they're all gone. Well, because they let it happen and didn't it didn't stop it? That's right. Okay. Every single one. I think anyone outside of that, like, if you work for, like, the like, let's say you were the the parks department for the city, I don't think that would affect them. Or the or if you work for the library for the city, I don't think it would affect those people. Just the people within that field. Key administrative
[01:11:09] Unknown:
positions. Right. Do what, Larry?
[01:11:14] Unknown:
What about the schools, Joe, and the the teachers? Because that does do does the city own the schools, the local schools?
[01:11:22] Unknown:
Yes. They do. And, the receiver would be in charge of either maintaining the schools, right, up until another election is held and a new incorporated town is put into place. They would have to have new elections for mayors and all that stuff. By the way, the mayor would not be able to be mayor anymore either. He he would be lost on that position. He would never be able to run for mayor again, and neither would anyone in his office. So all those people, a 100% of the people that work in the governmental unit for the city are just out. They're out of the government forever.
Right? Yeah. So the receiver would be acting kind of like the executive over the city until there's a new election. Right? Which Mhmm. Would kind of be like a Kind of like a receiver in bankruptcy.
[01:12:13] Unknown:
Similar, I would think. Yeah.
[01:12:16] Unknown:
Right. Joe, do you think, like, as far as the teachers are concerned, they're not really a public official. So it's do you think it's kinda like when a corporation gets taken over, like, say, a corporation gets sold and another corporation comes in and buys it out, they're they are buying the employees too. So would that be the case with the teachers, like, the all the public officials would would be fired or whatever, but the teachers in the schools, would would they be they they would go go property. Right?
[01:12:51] Unknown:
No. They would remain there. The you know, like, the receiver could just keep the the, you know, the city going per per normal, but there just wouldn't be any police or anything operating at the time because they would all be gone. So the receiver could do, certain things, but, you know, allowing the schools to continue as such, you know, that's why you the receiver has, again, EIN number, has to set up an account because they have to be able to pay the teachers and stuff like that through the the liquidated city funds. So he would take over the city's accounts, move all the accounts over into this other bank account, which he would then control. So that way, none of those people who were involved in the government that had access to those bank accounts would be able to infiltrate and do anything with the money, like embezzlement or try to maybe rob funds or do other things.
So they would actually have the all those accounts are yet closed. The receiver opens up another account and then and then continues funding the cities, you know, like schools and libraries and such like that up until an election is held and they institute a new, government for the city. A lot of those things remain status quo.
[01:14:08] Unknown:
Does New Jersey does your county have a sheriff and and would this all include the sheriff too, or is that considered a constitutional office and and it would not be included in this whole situation?
[01:14:21] Unknown:
No. Because it wasn't the county that did it. It was the city. So the sheriff is not he's not the the sheriff would actually be the law enforcement during that time period for that city Since the city won't have police officers anymore, it would only be the deputies going around in that area. Right. So they would be the law enforcement for that area at that time.
[01:14:41] Unknown:
One more question. If your car wasn't in a trust, let's just say somebody did the DOT process, but they they kept their title, you know, they just didn't renew their registration, and, would that have made things differently? Would there have been a different outcome if you if you had the 2,000,000, the avenue of trust?
[01:15:06] Unknown:
I you know, I don't know. I think this particular prosecutor was just looking for any kind of reason to drop all those charges.
[01:15:15] Unknown:
He wanted you out and gone. And, evidently, so did somebody in the AG's office or the governor's office.
[01:15:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I I called the governor's office, and I said, hey. Listen. I sent you guys this really cool warranto. I haven't heard anything, but I'm letting you know you guys have rogue agents over there. Okay? And the municipality might have to get shut down. So I don't know if you guys wanna step in and do something or fix this, but, I mean, she the woman was like she she started reading the writ. She goes, oh, yeah. I see it, and started reading it a little bit. She goes, you need to speak with the attorney general. That's what she said. Uh-huh.
You know, and, yeah, they were, you know, like I said, like that, the prosecutor was kinda shook up when he saw me. And,
[01:16:11] Unknown:
Joe, I'm just man, I'm so proud of you. You did a great job. Great job. Hey, Roger. Roger. Alright. Hold on. Merka. Merk and that was it Merk's way. Yes. Merk.
[01:16:24] Unknown:
I have a couple of points. And if you noticed how they they tone they their tone totally changed with what, Joe Joe brought into them. And there there's I have often said that we know how we need to learn how to live as a private individual and carry yourself in a private educate yourself so that you have the knowledge to defend yourself. And people often ask me, you know, what what do you mean by living private? You know, this is an example of what we need to do because we don't know all that information is educate ourselves now.
[01:17:09] Unknown:
You got you. What what
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who has the authority? We are no longer public federal citizens that the United States tyrannical government has control over and can assume authority, presume that you are their subject. And then you say, Roger, you know, this is, you know, a lot of work. I don't discourage. You know, you don't you don't tell anybody not to do that, but it is gonna take time and research. This is what I encourage people to do is learn, do the research, you know, take in internalize what it is to live private.
[01:17:54] Unknown:
You know, you're the one that for the people Mark is talking to here sorry to interrupt, Mark, but you're the one that wanted to be free. That's why you you come to these shows and you've learned this information. Well, this is part of the commitment you made when you said I told myself I wanna be free of all this. These are the commitments that you made underneath because freedom, unfortunately, ain't free. Okay? Right. This is part of what I say. This is the price you pay for your freedom. These types of things. Go ahead. Well, it's not it's not a price. It's something that we have to do for ourselves
[01:18:29] Unknown:
and learn for ourselves. We have the authority now, Roger. You We have the authority.
[01:18:35] Unknown:
Pay a price for everything. Okay? And the price you pay for your freedom is to be able to defend it. I often say to people weaponize it. K?
[01:18:45] Unknown:
I often tell people it's like I often say to people is that the the state of DC, the government federal federal government, United States Corporation has no authority on us. Nope. No. Carry the yourself that way. Yep. So,
[01:19:08] Unknown:
now there was somebody, Paul. Go ahead and there's somebody who's waiting in the in the do do pardon me? Yeah, Roger. Yeah. Oh, hold on. Paul's gonna go first, and then we'll go to you. Paul?
[01:19:19] Unknown:
It's important to note that, he did have to go through a a whole bunch of hoops. He had to to file multiple writs, multiple notices, but he wouldn't have had the authority to do any of that if he was a slave.
[01:19:41] Unknown:
States
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The affidavit empowered him
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to actually have a voice they had to listen to whether they wanted to or not. It It it opened the door for everything. Okay? That's why this is important. It's so powerful, and it's so important that you learn what you've got in your hands and how to use it. Okay? Now who's the gentleman that's been trying to say something for a minute?
[01:20:05] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. This is Paul from Kentucky.
[01:20:08] Unknown:
Oh, hey, Paul.
[01:20:10] Unknown:
And I apologize for the confusion, but when you said Paul's next
[01:20:16] Unknown:
Oh, gotcha.
[01:20:17] Unknown:
Gotcha. No. He we got more Pauls around here in the bible. Go ahead.
[01:20:23] Unknown:
Well, I wanted to, maybe give a suggestion or or an opinion to Larry. He asked about if you, don't put your vehicle in a trust. To the best of my knowledge, if your car is titled with the state, that is not a title. If you read it, it is a certificate of title Title. Which means which means all you have is a certificate. In reality, to the best of my knowledge, you don't own that car. The state does. You've just got a certificate
[01:21:05] Unknown:
of ownership.
[01:21:07] Unknown:
That's correct. And and so and so I I don't know how that would apply to Larry, but I'm just letting him know that when you put it into a trust, you then take ownership of that, property. No. The trust takes ownership of the property. You I mean, the trust I can't you you I can't correct it. What I meant, though, was that now the the property is out of the possession of your state. So Yep. Yep. Okay. The trust.
[01:21:39] Unknown:
Now the other thing, Paul, and you may be a new, you may not have noticed. He said he he went to the Department of Transportation. Joe's the one that found this, And you can register your private conveyance at the Federal Department of Transportation, and they'll issue you a number. And what some of our people do is take that number and get a private tag made with it. Yes, Paul. Our rep. Paul Brenner. Paul B. Yes. Yes. 1 That's okay. One quick point. Alright. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[01:22:09] Unknown:
One quick point on that. It is not so much that you have transferred ownership of the car over to the state and received a certificate of beneficial title, which is what it actually should be titled. It is the adhesion contracts that are implied in the application process for that registration. You are agreeing to be, to waive your rights. You're agreeing to abide by all of the statutes, acts, and codes applied in the motor vehicle code. You are agreeing That's correct. You're basically promising to be their slave.
[01:22:49] Unknown:
You you said it's got Correct. It's got a recognizance in it, Paul.
[01:22:55] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:22:56] Unknown:
Right. Okay. Well Alright. And and I just wanted to hopefully shed light on that. And I've I've learned something, and I appreciate the the feedback. I wanna give big kudos to Joe. He's my new hero. I'm going through some similar situations as he is. I do have a question for Joe. When all this is resolved, does he plan on going back civilly and claiming for damages because that's kind of where I'm at. I've got a a few situations similar to Joe. And what I'm finding is through these calls, I'm able to get things dismissed or, you know, get things reconciled get things reconciled, get things reconciled to, to my favor. But what I'm finding is if and when I go back to get restitution for damages, that's when things just get all they do is keep passing the buck around the merry-go-round, and I just keep going around and around and around. We're gonna well,
[01:24:09] Unknown:
my observation was would be, do you have any kind of paperwork on file with the secretary of state, Paul, as to your status? I'm working
[01:24:19] Unknown:
I'm working on that right now.
[01:24:22] Unknown:
Okay. Well, alright. Well, that's good. But you didn't have that on file when all this other stuff, your 4 or 5 suits started. So you can't go back and apply that retroactively, I don't think. So that might be somewhat of an impediment for you in that.
[01:24:40] Unknown:
It can be. And and it was lack of knowledge, of course. If I would have known that then, I would have
[01:24:47] Unknown:
Of course, you would have.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
Well, really I keep getting these moments like, oh, I coulda had a VA. You know? Well yeah. Well, my from this call my favorite response is this call
[01:25:00] Unknown:
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Go ahead, Paul.
[01:25:05] Unknown:
Oh, I was gonna say, people from this call have reached out to me and are helping me to, correct my status and get registered with the secretary of state, etcetera. And I appreciate all of that. And, if anyone on here has any information pertaining to, getting a remedy for damages. Like, this man was wrongfully arrested, so was I. Wrongfully detained, so was I. Things of that nature. I would I would be interested because on the other calls I attend, yes, people are, you know, they're fighting back, and and some of them, just like Joe, are winning. However, when you go to seek restitution for your damages or injury Well that's that's when things get really,
[01:26:04] Unknown:
interesting, so to speak. That's why we're so excited about this case is because of Joe, and you've already gotten some sense of who he is and how he approaches things of going back now to your job and these people in the city and getting us some scalps for our belt. We need that for the rest of the country. We need to be able to use them as an example, and I hope I'm not gonna tell Joe what to do. But for all the time and stuff and effort he spent and sacrifice he's made, I believe he thinks he should get a little something for it. And, we'll find out after they get this thing swept under the rug. Joe, if they did that prosecutor, prohibit you or tell you not to talk about this case at all?
[01:26:49] Unknown:
No. But the case is under seal. It's under seal. Now
[01:26:54] Unknown:
are they going to when you cut this deal, are they you look for a provision as to that and whatever paperwork they put in front of you to sign. Okay? Oh, yeah. I will. I'll be they know I'm gonna be reading whatever they hand me. So I'm sure they do. They're very cautious of you. Hold on. There's a female there. There's a female. Yes.
[01:27:16] Unknown:
Roger, I just wanted to say, to tell Joe thank you for sharing his story because it was very inspiring, and it's an example of our duty to do that. Yep. Our duty to to be this way and live private that way. Yeah. How he's how he's giving the example today.
[01:27:35] Unknown:
And, you know, New Jersey's got a reputation as a fairly tough state, folks, if you hadn't heard that before. Now there was somebody Larry, was that you trying to say something?
[01:27:49] Unknown:
Roger. Roger?
[01:27:51] Unknown:
When No. It was it was Rick.
[01:27:54] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Rick?
[01:27:56] Unknown:
Yes, sir. I have suggestion for Joe. I watched Carl Miller on his videos. He went to traffic court all the the time, and he won most of his cases. He's now he's that guy is sharp And the judge that guy is sharp as attack. Go ahead. Okay. When he would win and the judge that's would dismiss the the charges, it was an admission by the court that they had brought frivolous charges, he would have an itemized bill listing all his hours that he spent researching all this listed out all the different cases and laws that he spent research. He would attach a reasonable hourly rate, and he would hand that bill to the judge. And he said that when the court wins, you pay. But when you win, the court has to compensate you. Should be. So I would suggest that Joe do that and make it reasonable, nothing outlandish.
All the time he spent, everything that he's researched, itemize that bill and walk up when they dismiss the case, walk up and hand it to him because he would get paid.
[01:29:03] Unknown:
Very good suggestion. Right? I will do that. That's for sure.
[01:29:07] Unknown:
Good. Good. Good. Now somebody else was trying to say something.
[01:29:12] Unknown:
Roger, this Roger, this is Paul. 1
[01:29:17] Unknown:
oh, go ahead.
[01:29:19] Unknown:
Samuel Cohen there first.
[01:29:21] Unknown:
Samuel. Well, I hadn't been I wasn't getting this yet, but
[01:29:28] Unknown:
we got a passport around here so we don't have all this kind of confusion. So, just like, hey, Roger. Trying to get recognized. Several people wanna say something. Samuel, I believe, was technically before you. Otherwise, I always, as best I can, recognize the ladies first. Samuel?
[01:29:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm getting some feedback, so people who aren't needing to should probably mute. You know, Joe, about a year and a half ago, I put your name in the margins of when I was reading Brost's piece. And according to Brost, you have a really good shot at the Supreme Court. Now let me tell you why. Give me a moment to read something from Brost here. He says within the 14th amendment, the people have their property reclassified into a lienable right as in Roman civil law. The result is the people have sold into slavery serfdom of the trust.
Thomas Jefferson said, the land belongs to the living. When a person is civilly dead to the law, he is as good as being when he is civilly dead to the law, he is as good as being physically dead. He or she cannot own property in the absolute sense. It's pure law. The question is often, the question often raised by individuals who are aware of the hurdles of the court system is, how are you assured that you will be dealt most fairly in a court system? Hang on. I got a certain page here. K. He says, first of all, we know the lower court judges are going to be ignorant of public municipal law for private purposes or separation of powers principle.
They have been born and raised, so to speak, in the trust system and it is codes. The only way, we may get due process is to appeal to the appellate court. In other words, when you deal with issues of law, the lower courts want these issues dealt with by the more qualified higher courts. The second question that follows is, how do you know the Supreme Court of the United States will hear your case? Many may not know that there are 2 floors to the Supreme Court building itself. The second floor has not been used since 1933 when the people gave up their law, their gold.
The second floor represents the higher law. It is that higher law that is being accessed with this approach. Anytime the higher law is at issue, US constitutional issue, the Supreme Court has to hear the case. There is no option. Fourteenth Amendment citizens do not have the prerogative of being held at that level of law because they are operating at law outside Constitution. So the judge is right there where I think you could take it to him at that level.
[01:32:55] Unknown:
Well, what would you have to do? Refuse their offer to drop the drop the their drop in the charges and dis in the case? How could you continue to, be a belligerent claimant here?
[01:33:11] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's a good point. If they were to pursue it, then I would I could take the claim like that. But if they drop it, then I have nothing to get above. Yeah. No. They're they're already saying they lost. Well,
[01:33:24] Unknown:
you could bring a suit, basically. I think if when I if I understand Burrows right, and that's why I wish more people would read this because it's worth discussing. He's basically saying that Swift versus Tyson would have I say because he doesn't talk about nationals either. A lot of these guys are on point. They don't know about the national status. Correct. Now that he he does it. He gets out of the 14th Amendment by making a declaration within his community in the state, okay? But what he does claim that I think is valid for us as nationals is that we are under Swift versus Tyson and we are protected from Commerce because of that.
And if they would not wanna hear this case, but this would be something at that constitutional level that nationals, I think, could bring as a lawsuit.
[01:34:20] Unknown:
Right. I agree.
[01:34:23] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Samuel. Because nearing
[01:34:26] Unknown:
in the argument in Erie Railroad, when they overturned Swift versus Tyson, we still had, common law protections in the higher courts and in the federal court. And what happened is I think that was a setup case. Just like many of the other constitutional overturns, what they did is they took a guy that was a citizen and tried to give him state rights, and it was refused. And that's what because there were no state citizens left, like, the title of of Brose's book is the republic that nobody lives in, and that's what he's talking about.
[01:35:06] Unknown:
He wrote another one called USA versus USA, the republic or something. He had another book out there. Yeah. I told you, my friend Ronnie Brown, my dear friend who I went through all this stuff with, from the very first meeting I ever went to after the presentation, he went up and spent a week with him up there in Pennsylvania. And his I think he lived in a mobile home out in the woods. Yeah. It's called USA, the Republic, the house that nobody lives in. Okay. Yeah. No. He's a very credible guy, and he just all all they just don't have the finesse, that extra little finesse of understanding that we've got.
Just like Barnes and and and and Levin on Monday. They were right on it, man, and they still couldn't see it.
[01:35:54] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Exactly. And that's why Yes. That's why this never gets brought to that second floor, I guess. Right? Yeah. Supreme Court. Because I closed 23.
[01:36:04] Unknown:
Well, don't forget it's also got the 10 commandments chiseled up there in the granite. Yes, Paul?
[01:36:10] Unknown:
We've got a number of hands up. Daniel area code 413. He had some feedback, so I muted him. And I have opened his line now if he's got something to add. Plus, we have Mark and Sketch with their hands here as well. Ah, our is here.
[01:36:27] Unknown:
Daniel, yes. Do you have a question or comment?
[01:36:30] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I hope Joe's still on. Joe, how are you doing, bro? I've been watching you since the the first day I saw you with the pickle man. It's so I have a case showing up on Monday. They they, I've so I've I move around without a license. I finally got pulled over, and, and, I went to a show cause hearing, and they said we're moving along. And then next thing you know, I hear nothing, and then they had an arraignment and didn't notify me. They're gonna say they did, but I had 3 people watching the mail. I was never notified. So the lady said, I better get in there. I couldn't go in Friday, but I'll be I think I have to go in on Monday, you know, coming up. And I my question is for you a couple things, like, how do you find the law amongst all of the myriad subterfuge, the actual enacting law that gives them the force in the first place like you did? You went hunting around, do you chat GPT or or it's like it's so hard to find Not a bad idea. Actual
[01:37:34] Unknown:
So, what I did was if you look in your state statutes and you go all the way to the bottom, it cites the authority and the origination of those statutes. So that's why I say, like, the statutes are evidence of law, but not the law themselves. So they cite where it came from on the bottom. Now, they're usually like it'll say like it'll be weird. You have to kind of look at, your your state legislation and see what they're calling things and they abbreviate it. So it'll be like our dot s dot and then a number, and you're like, I don't even know what that is. But, you know or whatever. It could be whatever abbreviation it is depending on the state, and that's that is citing the actual enacted, laws.
And then you go to those books. You got to go find the books for that. Most of it's online now. Sometimes it's not. So you can go to the local library. They usually some library in your area would have those books if they don't have it online. And then you can go find the legislation. They're they're usually called session laws,
[01:38:45] Unknown:
in the states. Say that word slowly.
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Session.
[01:38:50] Unknown:
Oh, session laws.
[01:38:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Session laws. Okay. And then, it I mean, it varies from state to state a little bit. So you have to get familiar with your state code or your state statutes and and what the legislation passes law. And then, but the statutes will always refer to it. Right? And then once you go and read those, you can see what it actually says, and a lot of those things are modified. You know? It's kinda weird. Like, sometimes some of those if the statute has nothing, no sighted authority, that means it's totally invalid on its face, and you can challenge it in the court by just saying where's the enacting clause for the statute? And if they can't provide it, then it has no authority at all because and then you can cite your state constitution saying, well, it says that all laws have the, enacting clause. And here's the enacting clause for the laws for the state of and this thing, I don't find an enacting clause. Did you find 1?
And if they can't find 1, technically, they're not supposed to bring those charges. They have to drop those charges because the judge would have to decree that. Yeah, since under the constitution of the state and he's bound by that state constitution, since that enacting clause isn't there, they can't bring they can't they can't use those charges because there's no law behind it. There's no authority behind that statute.
[01:40:14] Unknown:
Boy, talk about the situation where we're causing people in those places to learn to hate the constitution. It's it's wow. The place right for that. Next thing was just, so yeah. Let's see. Can I add to the Is there any way to get your
[01:40:33] Unknown:
Can I add that real quick? Oh, sure. Yeah. Let Mark let Mark put something in here.
[01:40:38] Unknown:
On on your looking at these laws and doing your research, almost every county courthouse that I know has a law library, and they got people that can help you hunt for what you're looking for. So if you don't have anywhere else to go, I would start with my county courthouse, and they can put you in the right direction as far as, like, what Joe was saying. You know, this statute has underlying and typically what it's called is session laws where the legislators hold sessions, they pass law that's forwarded to the governor, and they sign it and enact it. That's normally usually called session law.
And all the statutes are just a private compilation of the session law for reference purposes only. It's not actually law. So Right. Statutes and codes in your state are only for reference purposes. And they're supposed to, like Joe said, have an underlying enactment of law passed by your legislators in your state.
[01:41:47] Unknown:
So No. That that that's wicked helpful, and thank you for that. Joe, is there any way to either get in touch with you or at least, get those first couple of affidavits that you had, entered into so I can just sort of see how you were saying it. I'm I feel ready to stand. I don't know everything, and these guys are gonna railroad me. I may have to simply capitulate and then rescind thereafter. I I don't know. But where are you? Where are you? What state? I'm in Massachusetts, by the way. I'm in Massachusetts.
[01:42:16] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, this is Dan.
[01:42:20] Unknown:
This is Dan. How are you doing? Longmeadow. How are you doing? Dan. Okay. I didn't recognize I got a case. I'm one of the ones standing like the lady, before had said, we have a duty. I chose to take that on, and here we are.
[01:42:34] Unknown:
Comment?
[01:42:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Hold on. You you asked a question about Joe on how to get him? Joe, you want Yeah. Just either get get you Joe if you can. And if not, just to get a hold of your affidavit just so I can sort of peruse it along with what I've been writing.
[01:42:51] Unknown:
I'll I'll give you my email. I mean, the only affidavit I put in was my my affidavit of national status.
[01:43:02] Unknown:
Yeah. You if you don't well, Joe,
[01:43:05] Unknown:
if you don't mind giving it out over the ear, Dan will take it. And if you don't mind, I'll just go to your website. I think you have a website. Right? Or
[01:43:13] Unknown:
But, no, I'm I'm gonna tell you. It's it's everywhere. It's the letter j l u s [email protected].
[01:43:30] Unknown:
Thank you so much. 47. Good. I Yeah. 247. That's so cool. Did, did, writ. I thought writs were something that courts issued. So when we issue a writ, it's not that we're necessarily issuing the writ. We're issuing what would be available on a writ that a judge would then sign off on. Is that This is a special action. It's a writ of.
[01:43:56] Unknown:
It's a common law writ, and it's brought by the Joe representing the people. So it's a little bit different from a writ they'd issue that you'd read about from revolutionary times or something.
[01:44:11] Unknown:
Okay. That that's cool. And
[01:44:13] Unknown:
I thought I thought I was there to, to point out how they're not eligible to be in their office potentially.
[01:44:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Well Well they're not eligible to hold the city. It is.
[01:44:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. Right. Right. Right. So good.
[01:44:32] Unknown:
Dan?
[01:44:34] Unknown:
Yeah? For for what, Joe did, he used his affidavit of citizenship evidence, and he weaponized it. He weaponized it with his knowledge and his lawful legal criticism and everything else that he researched.
[01:44:48] Unknown:
You're kinda like Paul in Kentucky. You've already got stuff going, and now you wanna file the affidavit. Unfortunately, 2 months an affidavit in the beginning. Okay. Well, would you okay. I well, we don't know which 1 or I but roll ahead. So, anyway, that's would be my comment. Mark, good to hear your voice, sir.
[01:45:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. You too, bro. Any advice, you're telling me because I'm going looks like I'm going in on Monday, and I'm just curious. They put a warrant out for me, and the cops were here Thursday night, and I just didn't answer the door. Yeah. Because I didn't know. I kept checking to see if something had happened. Nothing was going on. Then finally, there was a thing. I said I was never notified of the arraignment. You missed it. Failure to appear. There's a warrant. And I said, well, am I gonna be arrested if I walk in there? It's like, well, just, you know, she wouldn't answer. So I don't know if anyone has any Well, I anything. I'm like, I They gotta have you know, if you say you never got noticed, now you're talking due process.
[01:45:51] Unknown:
Okay? That's a legitimate objection for you. Mhmm. Tom Dee was trying to say something. Tom?
[01:46:00] Unknown:
Hey. That's a that's a great story, especially for New Jersey. In fact, I was a member of the Fraternal or Police up in Ridgefield for years years. But, would instead of having said what he said when he got stopped, you know, I'm not really in my 4th, 5th, and 6th. I wonder if you had said, aren't you supposed to read me my rights at a traffic stop? And I wonder if that would have, you know because I think these cops, when they hear somebody start quoting the constitution and stuff like that, start quoting articles that they, you know, they're they burrow up on you, and they go really bananas. And they think, you know, know, you're some kinda you know, I'm wondering if, that might have made a difference, you know, and if there are other people too in the future.
[01:46:47] Unknown:
You know, I hate to say it, but our movement in itself has sabotaged itself with so many people. And and I'm not saying they were doing wrong, but they're out there doing the best they can. But there's just a lot of mis and disinformation out there. That's what make what's makes what we do here so damned important, folks.
[01:47:08] Unknown:
Okay? I could just imagine that you say that to the cop and the cop says, well, you know, we only do that if you're under you know, if we put you under arrest. Oh, so I'm not under arrest? No, sir. You're not under arrest. Okay. Can I go? No. You can't. Or then I'm under arrest. You know? You know, Joe was Joe was quoting that same arrogant cop, some law, and the guy goes, I I don't take my law from you. I get it from the academy and the chief of police or the district attorney or something. Arrogant. But, I mean, yeah, the fact that he, the fact that he, you know, quoted Miranda I don't know if he quoted Escobedo or not, but, and just something, you know, I'm gonna let you go right after this.
If any if if you know, a lot of people think, you know, it's trading with the enemy or something, but find your local, fraternal or police organization or something like that. Send them a freaking donation. Get a sticker for the back window of your car. You do not understand how much that will make a difference in the way cops treat you. Okay? Even in Ridgefield, New Jersey. And, I'm I'm just telling you that, sales advice. Any of those organizations you show them your supporter, they get you don't know how many times that I've, you know, been told, okay. Well, just slow down or just do this or that. You know, even though I have a star I have a I have a member star on my plate, not an associate member. But it's a, it you you'd be surprised what'll happen, how much of a difference it'll make. You know? 2nd time in a day, honey draws more flies than vinegar.
Yep. Yep. It's, you know, it's it's keep your friends close, your enemies closer.
[01:48:42] Unknown:
Why not? Have a good day. Great story. Thank you, Tom.
[01:48:46] Unknown:
Are you there, Larry?
[01:48:48] Unknown:
Okay. I wanna answer it. I won't, but somebody will. Yes. Who is who is you?
[01:48:55] Unknown:
Oh, it's Samuel. I I wondered what led Joe to want to, what did he say he did with the names? He,
[01:49:06] Unknown:
trademarked.
[01:49:08] Unknown:
Trademarked. What led him to do that? I'd like him to get a little in more into that if he might. Yeah. And how? How do you do that? I wondered about that too. So alright. So trademarking, what I found out because they all have qualified immunity.
[01:49:23] Unknown:
Okay? Like, everything that you do, holds, you you can't do anything with these guys, because they they have qualified immunity. Yep. I did find out in on the federal level, they lose qualified immunity under the, under the trademark. They're not allowed to they're not allowed to do anything with trademarks. Okay, or violate any any provisions of trademarking. So, by trademark by having a trademark and they violate the provisions of the trademark, they actually lose qualified immunity.
[01:50:03] Unknown:
Damn. Why would that be?
[01:50:06] Unknown:
They take these trademarks pretty seriously. I I you know, that really got me. I said, when I saw it, I said, wow. That's really, really interesting. So Uh-huh.
[01:50:18] Unknown:
I I decided to go trademark the name. So you can do a you can do a poor man's trademark, or is that a copyright? Like, musicians will do something else. Well, you know. That's copyright.
[01:50:29] Unknown:
Okay. How do you do the copyright? They didn't they didn't care about the copyright, but the trademark, they reacted to.
[01:50:36] Unknown:
And how do you trademark the the the What's the process?
[01:50:41] Unknown:
Okay. So the way I did it was I found that the Minnesota Secretary of State's office issues trademarks for $70. Okay? And under the full faith and credit, you know, provision under the constitution, it can be honored in in all 50 states. So I just did it there because you could do it online and it cost $70, and I kept trademarking the name.
[01:51:09] Unknown:
That's equal protection. That's equal protection that that makes it apply to all the state.
[01:51:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. Hey, Dan. This is Mark. And straw man is buddy. He's our ego. Straw man, and Dan's new, and and he hadn't met you yet because March been sick. So, anyway, he's getting weller, and he's back with us. So there's an introduction to all the new people. Awesome.
[01:51:37] Unknown:
So you just asked for a trademark from the secretary of state's office of your state? Is that what you're saying?
[01:51:42] Unknown:
No. Of Minnesota.
[01:51:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Minnesota. You could do it online. But
[01:51:47] Unknown:
oh, you do it through Minnesota, period. I get it. Yep. Yeah. I just did do Minnesota. It's $70,
[01:51:53] Unknown:
and then the name is trademarked, and you can keep spelling the name differently every single time. Each one's a different trademark. So Wow. And it acts as like a it's funny. So I have a friend who, you know, he doesn't like getting involved in this thing with no taxes or anything like that. And he said, well, I know you're into this stuff. Do you have any tax advice for me that legally could help me, like, reduce my tax liability? I said, Well, if you go and get your name trademarked right or do it as a DBA, like a doing business name, Now everything that you pay for would be considered a tax write off because it would be for the trademark or for your business name. So, like, you buy groceries for your house, well, that's you're using as a trademark. You can write it all off. And he's like, I'm gonna do that. So he's been doing that with success, and the, the IRS even recognizes it now. So he's got the Well,
[01:52:50] Unknown:
you know, it may be a sad thing. Would you ever regret the IRS getting yanked out by the roots, which is what they're talking about doing in the near future, by the way? Mhmm. So Roger. With Joe. I'm I'm just proud of you. Yeah, Larry.
[01:53:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I was wondering if Joe's gonna take, Tom d's advice and contribute to the local order fraternity order of police that that cop is involved in in his community.
[01:53:24] Unknown:
Maybe he can take some of the proceeds from the maybe he can take some of the proceeds from the judgment on the suit against him and and do that. Go ahead.
[01:53:35] Unknown:
Yeah. So I was wondering if Joe was able to find out if all of these public officials that were coming against him, if they had oaths of office on on file and if he hasn't checked into that, if he's going to. And then the next thing is another student said, oh, you should just make out a bill and have a reasonable fee or compensation. So I say go after them in federal court and try to get 6 figures. And then my third question is on that form that you fill out to trademark your name, you put all the different variations of your name on one form because it sounded like you kept going back and forth getting you know, whenever you saw a different name change, you had to go trademark that name. I'm wondering if you could just do it all at once.
[01:54:27] Unknown:
Larry, are you next in line? Because we got people lined up, and you just butted in and asked your questions. Well, we wanna get I know, Marty. I
[01:54:39] Unknown:
always wait for Roger to recognize me. And I don't see the room with the hands up, so I kinda rely on Paul or Mark to tell us that.
[01:54:48] Unknown:
And, Larry, have you not asked some questions and made some comments earlier?
[01:54:53] Unknown:
Yeah. He's pretty he's vociferous, Larry is.
[01:54:57] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't know if I might comment in. Sketch is waiting.
[01:55:02] Unknown:
Please do. So who are hold that if you could hold those, we'd appreciate it. Yeah. We don't have much time, so get get in with it. Yeah.
[01:55:11] Unknown:
No. You have to do one name at a time.
[01:55:15] Unknown:
Okay. $70 a pop.
[01:55:20] Unknown:
Yeah. So I did I did one for the way the name is spelled on the driver's license, and the passport, which is the same. I did it on the way the tickets were originally written. I did it for the way they spelled the name on the court on the court documents. And and then when they kept altering it, I kept changing it each and every time. And they just finally, after a while, just like, forget it. You know, he they they are playing a name game. That that I thought was really interesting. A word game for sure. It's all words. Yep. The different alterations and spellings of it. So I I took them all, and I sent them all to them. And I said, these are all business names, that I'm using as trademarks.
So and under and here's the code. Okay? It's 15 US code, 1122. And it says that the United States, all agencies and instrumentalities thereof, and all individuals, firms, corporations, or other persons acting for United States oh, sorry. It says, they shall not be immune from suit in federal or state court by any person, including any governmental or nongovernmental entity for any violation under this chapter. This chapter is about trademarks. So when I saw that, I said, oh, this is how you this is how they can this is how you waive sovereign immunity. Right?
Waiver of sovereign immunity by states and says that they're not free from, I can sue them in federal court if they violate my trademark.
[01:56:53] Unknown:
Damn.
[01:56:53] Unknown:
So that's So yeah. Yeah. So I said, that's a big deal. So I went and did that to see how they would react to it. And sure enough, the the the county didn't want to deal with it. They just dropped it. But the municipal court, you know, the little town court, they they were like, they kept changing the names. So now I got a whole bunch of these, trademarks, and, I'm gonna go send it off to the secretary of state, for the state and just, you know, file that with some other paperwork and just saying, hey, look, now let's protect all your agents in the future. Just so you know that this is trademark, if any of them use it against me, I I you guys are you have no sovereign immunity in federal court, and I have every intention to sue and get, compensated for any violation of my trademark.
[01:57:40] Unknown:
You know, Joe, in the 30 something years I've been messing with this, I don't think I've ever heard this brought up before that I can remember.
[01:57:48] Unknown:
Hey, Rog?
[01:57:49] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:57:51] Unknown:
Mark, do you have any more questions?
[01:57:56] Unknown:
I wanna see is there anybody holding their hand up that we can ignore. Ahead, Scott. I'll just Okay. Yeah. I'll just share mine with privately with Joe. So Okay. Sounds good.
[01:58:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I just have 2 quick comments and and one question. Joe, congrats. And, you know, Brent is gonna have to learn a new adage and that is it's another example of Joe keeping the municipal man down to the letter of the law.
[01:58:27] Unknown:
Now that'll be Brent will have to learn that. Oh, Brent Arborette. Yeah. I got you.
[01:58:32] Unknown:
Yeah. And he definitely brings a new perspective of keeping the man down. So my question is, does a sealed case make precedent or not?
[01:58:43] Unknown:
No. Nobody can see it. It it means precedent that we're on over the target. Go ahead. What's your answer, Joe?
[01:58:54] Unknown:
I I was gonna say, so after I had done this, I have a friend who's friends with, like, a retired secret service guy or something something like that. And, he went and got his passport changed and updated, and he, he contacted his friend and said, could you run this passport and see if this is legit? And his friend ran and goes, yeah. This is kinda weird. It says that you're a national, not a US citizen. And he goes, oh, wow. Okay. So this passport thing is legitimate. So then he's telling me about this, and I said, well, could he run my passport? I'd like to see what it says.
And so he, yeah, he called he calls his friend up. His friend says, sure. Send it over to me. I'll go run-in this in the federal system and see what comes back and let him know. So, the guy calls my friend up and he goes, do you know this guy? And he goes, yeah. He goes, how well do you know this guy? He's like, why? What's up? He goes, I can't access this guy's records. The only thing I can see is an arrest from when he was 18, and he has some kind of, corporation in Minnesota. I have no access to anything else. And and and my friend says, well, is that is that normal? He goes, no. That's very, very odd.
[02:00:11] Unknown:
Didn't they say you could see the case, but it was under seal?
[02:00:15] Unknown:
Yeah. He said he could see that there was a court case, but they wouldn't show what city he was in, or the state. And and he couldn't get any other information other than there was some kind of sealed case, and most of the other records are sealed. Almost everything in my record is is sealed now for some reason.
[02:00:37] Unknown:
Mhmm. What was going on, do you think?
[02:00:40] Unknown:
I I think it's all the stuff I put into the court case. It's all this court case. They don't want anybody to see that. Yeah. I also sent this will get sent out to the the governor's office. This was sent out to the secretary of state for the state, the attorney general. So I I think they were like, you know, let's cover up as much of this stuff as we can from this guy's stuff in the system so people can't see it. I don't know. I'm just that's my speculation.
[02:01:05] Unknown:
Well, it leaves them hanging out vulnerable all over the state for anybody else. They pursue on this level if they're smart enough and have the initiative and the gumption. They don't want people going in just recopy of that and filing it. I mean, obviously, it's big mojo. K?
[02:01:25] Unknown:
Russia ask a question?
[02:01:28] Unknown:
One one second. Mark Mark, I wanted to let you know that we are running overtime. So if you wanted to, pose your question to Joe, we're still on the air, and we do have a couple more questions. 1 from Dan and one from Rochelle.
[02:01:48] Unknown:
Okay. Well, first thing I wanna point out is, whenever you file something, whether it be a motion or you're writ of prohibition, or you're you're writ of parental, you are the moving party, and you're the one that has to make things happen. You don't sit back and wait for the court to do something. So, like, if I file a motion in a court proceeding, I'm responsible for finding a potential court date to have a hearing on that motion. I usually contact the judge's office, talk to the clerk, and say, I need to set a hearing for this motion for whatever you filed, name of your motion, motion to dismiss, motion for summary judgment, motion for whatever.
And then they'll give you a date, and then you contact the other your opposing parties and ask them if this date and time is good for them. If they say no, then you gotta go back to the judge's office and try to set another one. I usually try to ask for at least 3 dates that I can give the opposing party. And then if, if they won't agree to it, then I'll just ask the court to set one. But you have to move on it. You can't just file something and and expect the court to do the rest of the work. You have to follow-up on it. Yep. Yep. The writ of prohibition that you filed should have worked, had it been pursued as far as throwing out the criminal cases.
But I'm thankful that you didn't pursue it like you probably should have or could have. And I'm so thankful that it led to your Cloronto because if if if your Cloronta is is granted, it dissolves that city and a receivership has to be appointed, and then you and the people of that city, that township, get to determine how they want to move forward. Do they want to, you know, start another town and and put new officers in place? And if you're gonna start another town, I think you need to have, you know, the name Lustica in the township somewhere. You know, name it after yourself, and then,
[02:04:04] Unknown:
you know, maybe you're the mayor.
[02:04:07] Unknown:
Lustica ville. Makes me think of Margaritaville. So,
[02:04:16] Unknown:
I can't I can't abridge the name either though because then it just sounds inappropriate.
[02:04:23] Unknown:
I would I would say that,
[02:04:25] Unknown:
the name
[02:04:28] Unknown:
The name the street the courthouse is on needs to be Lustica
[02:04:32] Unknown:
Lane. Yes. See, if you can get that in the settlement Name a street after yourself. There you go. Tell you what, I literally and then another thing for people that are interested in, you know, kind of following in Joe's footsteps, there is an easier way. You take everything that Joe's done as far as all the traffic and and figure out where you can prove on paper that that their traffic laws don't apply to you, and then you go to your county court and you file a petition for declaratory judgment. So now you're not under the gun. You're not looking at any kind of fines or fees or your tow your car getting towed or any of that, and you ask the court to make a determination whether those traffic laws apply to you or not.
So you can take a preemptive strike without running around risking everything because you changed the tags on your car and so forth. So you can you can confirm it first and get a judge to make a determination. And if if it isn't if the judge rules wrongly, you believe, you could take it up on appeal. But be very careful because you can set case precedent at a higher level. And a municipal court does not have a case precedent. So Nope. Even with Joe's, Lynn, even if it wasn't sealed, you know, it doesn't have case precedent. But it does allow other people to go in with his his writings, and they don't want that. So That's what they don't want is duplication. Right. Now I believe Joe, since he wasn't under a gag order like Trump, he could share whatever documents he wants from his case.
But the general public cannot go into the court and get documents out of the case
[02:06:22] Unknown:
file. But, you know, this is what happened
[02:06:24] Unknown:
when Tom Schauff was doing that, all this stuff on the monetary system and that was structured. He'd take clients in and, on the fact that the bank never loaned them any money, and they'd give them the keys to the house and put the case under seal.
[02:06:40] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. Are they still issuing noncommercial DOT tags or numbers?
[02:06:49] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. They are.
[02:06:51] Unknown:
Okay. Because I heard a rumor that they they weren't, so I was just kinda curious. So but please, everybody listening, you know, be be there's a you saw what Joe went through. It's a lot of work, and you gotta you gotta find those laws that apply in your state.
[02:07:07] Unknown:
So, anyway, I yield. Thank you very much. Okay. Joe, when you did the when you did the trademarking my head. So Go ahead.
[02:07:17] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[02:07:19] Unknown:
When you did the trademarking, did you use your Social Security number?
[02:07:23] Unknown:
You don't need to.
[02:07:25] Unknown:
Okay. No. I'm making sure. That was it I opened.
[02:07:28] Unknown:
Was there somebody that had their hand open? I don't have Rochelle, I think. The forum. So part who was it, Paul?
[02:07:36] Unknown:
Rochelle, I think. Rochelle.
[02:07:38] Unknown:
Rochelle?
[02:07:39] Unknown:
Yes. I'm on the voice phone. Thank you. Okay. I had a question. On on when the case was sealed by the state, it appears to me that, one, the state's protecting their interest, and therefore, they must also be protecting mine. Where's the duality there that we need to look at?
[02:08:10] Unknown:
Well, I know they're they're covering their ass for sure. I don't know about yours. But Well they don't put cases, under seal. I don't think willy nilly, do they, Mark? You I mean, you might hear about them in our areas, but overall, they don't put too many cases under seal, do they?
[02:08:30] Unknown:
No. Not unless it involves, like, the privacy of the parties. You know? You can add you or medical. Like, if you put medical information in, you can ask for just that medical information to be sealed so only the judge and opposing party can see it. Yeah. The parties can ask for it to be sealed, but usually, the court, will have some you're gonna find it let me back up. Usually, you're gonna find it, like, where the where the state or the court have an interest in in making sure the public doesn't get a hold of it. And I've seen some people using kind of, like, our our language, if you will. They'll go up front and just say, this is not for public consumption. This is not for public. And they'll ask the court to seal the case from the very beginning.
[02:09:24] Unknown:
Oh, yes.
[02:09:25] Unknown:
Is there is there a process to unseal a case?
[02:09:32] Unknown:
Yes. There is. But I think it's the parties that are involved that have to ask for it.
[02:09:38] Unknown:
Yep. So, Rochelle
[02:09:42] Unknown:
of state is to protect the people, And so, therefore, that should be right up front if they are going to seal the case, not only to protect the state, but the reason being the state protects us because they're doing our representation
[02:10:03] Unknown:
that we give them, or they've broken trust with us. No. They've broken trust with us a long time ago. We're trying to struggle to get it back on an individual basis. Okay. Does anybody Rochelle, are you new? Or yeah. It seems like we've spoken before. You have you been around before? We have.
[02:10:21] Unknown:
We haven't, and I haven't been listening, but I'm gonna start listening again. I'd like to revisit this case again after studying it next Saturday if Joe would I have a lot of questions on it. It's very pertinent to everybody on this call, I believe. And thank you. I yield
[02:10:44] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you, Michelle. Well, you can revisit by going back and listening to everything that he said on this is obviously, recorded and will be in the archives. If there's any new developments, I wouldn't mind revisiting it. I don't know about just going over it again, and you can, Joe gave his email. If you don't catch him on the show here, you can write him an email. Yes. Who is from 1 and 1?
[02:11:16] Unknown:
The purpose, excuse me, the purpose would be to, apply it. Thank you.
[02:11:23] Unknown:
The purpose would be to what, Rochelle?
[02:11:27] Unknown:
To show how we could apply it in our counties individually so that the Okay. Power continues of what he's done.
[02:11:35] Unknown:
Well, that's why we wanted to get him on today to get the story out there and let people know, and it's still not decided totally. We gotta get that case closed, and, he's gonna go back and see if he wants to oh, hold on. Roger? Maybe AWOL. May I?
[02:11:57] Unknown:
Roger?
[02:11:58] Unknown:
Oh, hold on a second. Yeah. Okay. What? 15 15 minutes?
[02:12:04] Unknown:
Well, I'm asleep now, so see you, like, in 5:5:10
[02:12:06] Unknown:
minutes. Okay. Well, drag your feet. I'm still on the back end of this show, but I'll close it out. Okay? See you in a minute. Okay. Bye. Alright. Sorry, guys. I gotta go. So, you got anything for me? For me? Yeah. Hey. I I got a
[02:12:26] Unknown:
Hey, you know, Joe said that case was dismissed, but it's not necessarily discharged. What what they're really doing is they're doing a debt collection process. They're creating a debt and then they're trying to collect it. That's really a fair debt collections, operation to the corporation. And the guy could do that fair debt collections and demand that they come forward with the CUSIPs, the bonds, and ask for all that pertinent information that they're trying to do the revenue collecting with. But, you know, even though they said it's sealed, that don't mean it's discharged, and they're still taking off the back end of it.
So with that CUSIP, you could get all that information, a yield.
[02:13:14] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:13:16] Unknown:
Oh, Roger left. I was gonna say, I was gonna thank Roger, for giving me the time today to, you know, share that, you know, the case with everybody.
[02:13:28] Unknown:
Thank you.
[02:13:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you for bringing it to us, Joe. I'm everybody has been, waiting with literally bated breath to see how, your situation was gonna play out. And I don't know. I'm thinking, oh, damn. I had his name. I had his name. Okay. I lost it. Sorry.
[02:14:02] Unknown:
I have I got a question for Joe. This is Larry.
[02:14:07] Unknown:
Hey.
[02:14:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey, I had a question before. I think you might have forgotten it because I threw a couple of questions at the same time. But are you did you check out the oath of office for all of those officials that come up against you? And if not, are you going to?
[02:14:30] Unknown:
I I didn't. I don't think I'm going to need to at this point. But it's I do have the bond amounts for for all the judges in the state, and, they're usually bonded around $1,000,000. So I thought that was really interesting find as oh, look at that. That's quite a bit, and only the chief of police is bonded. The the the the individual cops are not, and the sheriff is bonded as well, which the oath is connected with the bond. So but, I didn't go find those. I actually did, I did send into the court. I needed I wanted to get their oath of office and their, anti bribery statement and their, their far registration, which they denied.
They refused to hand any of that stuff over to me. So that was that was another thing I added in, but it it it I don't think that really did much. That's why I didn't mention it.
[02:15:40] Unknown:
Hey, Joel. Yeah? I came up with that name. I think we could just gonna start referring to you as Carl Miller 2.0.
[02:15:53] Unknown:
Well, you know, actually, it was it was Carl Miller, like, his video where he was talking about dissolving the state that's or the city is when I went and I actually went and bought the book, that has those forms in there. That's how that's where I got it from. It's, American Jurisprudence Pleading and Practice forms, and there's one for Quo Lourento. And, in there, it has that thing with the receiver. So you have to there's stuff you have to do on the back end before you can do that, like the receiver and set that up, and you have to list the city out as the defendant. So but that's what I did. I went and just got the I just went and bought the book. Those books are, like, $500 a piece, so they're not cheap. But, you know, obviously, they don't like it when you use their stuff against them.
[02:16:49] Unknown:
Oh, absolutely not. American Jurisprudence Legal Forms?
[02:17:00] Unknown:
Yeah. It's, yeah. So this one, the one that has the co warrantos in there, it's called American it's called American Jurisprudence Pleading and Practice Forms Annotated, State and Federal, and it goes and this book is, volume 21, Quo Warrento to Sales is what it is. That's the one I got. That's the one that has this stuff in there. And, and here here's what I'll do if you want. I'll read the very beginning part of this whole thing with the. Says the governing principles. Right? The right to institute quo warranto proceedings resides in the state unless delegated by statute to individuals.
And it says, generally, it is the duty of the attorney general, district attorney, or the proper law officer to bring such actions. A private person may not do so except where the proper office officer refuses to proceed or consent to the filing of an information or complaint or unless their private person is granted such right by statute. So I said, well, since he's not acting on it, I can do it. Alright? So, it actually tells you that you have the authority to issue to issue this and then, proceed to act on the the writ when the proper officer refuses to do so.
So it's pretty it's it's pretty powerful. You know? When I talk to, like, lawyers and stuff like that online, they always tell me that everything I say is wrong, that everything I'm doing is incorrect, and, I'm I'm wrong a 100% of the time. And that these books, like these American Jurisprudence books and the Corpus Juris Secundum books have no legal effect and are are basically just valueless, books with no real information is what they always tell you. But when I started utilizing this stuff, apparently, the court seem to really react to it. So and, of course, the books are very expensive.
Alright? You can you can you can actually get all that stuff on Westlaw. But Westlaw has a paywall, which is $1500 a month. And $1500 a month to get past this paywall in order to access this information that the court that that that these lawyers are telling you, is irrelevant. I mean, money talks. So if it's $1500 to access their relevant information, you know, who who would ever buy it? So it definitely has a lot of value to it, and they definitely don't want people to have it. And they keep deterring people from looking into this information and looking into those specific books because it is a compilation of the entirety of our common law and, all the writs, the motions, all of this stuff. Right? Leadings, practice forms. It has I mean, it's just so chock full of of data, and it shows how our country actually operates on a on a legally, how the system works.
And if people actually understood how the system really worked, everyone would be able to stand their rights very easily. Because anyone can pull out a form, fill out the form, and just execute it, you know, to get remedy in the courts.
[02:20:37] Unknown:
But, apparently, you know That was that was a black hardcover book with gold lettering on the front, an outline of the United States, American jurisprudence pleading pleading and practice forms annotated state and federal.
[02:20:55] Unknown:
It's green. Well,
[02:20:56] Unknown:
there oh, it's green. Well, this one is labor and labor relations. There's another one. There's another one. There's another one. Pleadings pleading and practice forms annotated state and federal, a comprehensive carefully compiled and edited collection of pleading and practice forms, including jury instructions keyed to the substantive law in American Juris 2 d and designed to provide dependable forms for all types of pleading and procedural steps in civil proceedings, state and federal. Does that sound right?
[02:21:36] Unknown:
Yeah. That's right.
[02:21:39] Unknown:
Put me a phone call.
[02:21:42] Unknown:
Joe, those attorneys are probably correct what they're saying, but they're talking about citizens. They're not talking about nationals.
[02:21:50] Unknown:
Well, yeah. Hey, Joe. Where are you going with that corpus juris secundum in your hand?
[02:21:59] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:22:01] Unknown:
Well Well, yes. I mean, I get what they're saying. Like, it it doesn't it's not law. Like, when people cite it, it's not a law that you're citing, but it is a legal reference just like the statutes are legal references. They cited as if it were law and it's not. It's just a it's just a reference, just like a dictionary. Right? But it helps you it it it shows you the underlining operations of how things go. And the forms is the I mean, I've seen these forms with other lawyers using them. So I go, well, that's you know, the form books, they're just using forms a lot of the time to to put things together. So a lot of their paperwork comes from these forms. They just have them on the computer. You know, a lot of template and stuff like that.
[02:22:47] Unknown:
Right.
[02:22:49] Unknown:
Hey, Joe? Yeah. When when they, pulled you over after they did that, when they dragged you into court, did you file any discovery, petitions or anything like that?
[02:23:04] Unknown:
No. I never made a mention about discovery, which was real that's why it was so interesting that the prosecutor told me that he had to give me discovery because I never made mention. You know?
[02:23:15] Unknown:
Yeah. I hear last year and they pulled me over. They they took my plate off my car. They called the sheriff over and the sheriff actually went and took the, plate off the car after the the chief of police was sitting in his car, and I got the body cam. And, you know, he he shut the he shut his mic off. He talked to somebody for, like, 9 minutes or 10 minutes. And then the next day he told them, he switched it back on, and the the deputy went to go take the plate off and stuff like that. But I went into court on the initial meal, and they tried to threaten me with contempt and all this stuff. Didn't wanna hear this stuff. And and then they, required that I that we have a motions hearing.
And, well, I didn't I don't do motions, but I I did petitions and I did discovery. And I sent 2 discovery requests, and I had, I think it was 17 questions. And I wanted to know where the state of is located. I mean, they should know that. I want the affidavit from the accusing from the injured party. I wanted their, FARA, so on and so forth. And I demanded those requests. And, well, it comes the day of the hearing. I had some other documents because I never heard nothing. Had other documents that were that I was ready to file into the record. So I went about 15 minutes early, and I walked up to the window and I said, well, I'd like to file these. And he said, oh, your case has been dismissed. I said, really? I said, when did that happen? I said, it'd be nice to let me know so I didn't have to drive all the way over here.
And she said, well, I got an order. And I said, well, could I get a copy of it? And then so, she went back and got me a copy, and I said that I would like to talk to the judge. And I said, I'm I'm here early. I said that I was scheduled for 1:30. And while she said, well, let me go check. She said, well, the judge can't see us. She's studying she's looking reading some documents for the next case. Well, I said, I'm here. It was scheduled, so there should be time. But, you know, there there was a total refusal. But the whole thing, they can't confront the truth. That's their problem.
But, but when you go for damages, make sure I I would always make sure that you demand constitutional money in silver coin or its functional equivalent. And, and that they really have to comply with that because the constitution mandates it. And they're under oath to basically comply with that. So I just wanted to add that I yield.
[02:25:59] Unknown:
That 9 minutes that they conspired against you to take your plate off, you if any if that happens to anybody else, you should get the report, can't, body cam recording and the dispatch recording to defend yourself by yours.
[02:26:15] Unknown:
I've got that. Yes. I've got that. And, you know, to this day, they still, they still haven't returned the plate. But I do have an order or a request from the state attorney to send a a letter down to the, city police and told them to return my plate, my property. And but they they're in denial, but I'm gonna I need to send a bill. I'm gonna charge them maybe, I don't know, a 100 or maybe $1,000 a day for every day that they keep my property without authority. But, and I've I already filed the the fee schedule and all that into the court record. So it's all a matter of record, and I've given them notice of, basically, color of law and how to make the authority and all that.
[02:27:07] Unknown:
In my in my matter of thing. I would think a matter of state court. I would think probably just open up a federal court case, and then cite the constitutional violations, you know, and just go after them civilly for that in federal court. Just bypass the state and try to get a judge that has tenure. So that way you you're dealing with somebody who who isn't beholden to somebody else and, you know, they don't care. They're just gonna go do whatever the whatever the law and constitution says, and they will uphold that. And, yeah, it'll be much easier than trying to fight in the state.
[02:27:46] Unknown:
So Well, I wouldn't wanna open up I wouldn't wanna open up a case and try to fight it with giving the judge discretion. I would wanna exhaust an administrative process first and give them an opportunity to respond and give them a notice of fault, notice the default, and then that the facts are already established. And then I would open the case, and then put that into the record. And the case is really already done because they've had their opportunity to and do everything by affidavit. So they are forced to, acknowledge the facts.
And when they don't and default them out okay. Now you've now you've already won the case. It's just going through the fundamentals through the procedural part of it. Question?
[02:28:38] Unknown:
Go ahead. Question for Daryl. Did you specifically note theft or seizure of property on your fee schedule?
[02:28:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I believe, yes, I do. I do have it.
[02:28:53] Unknown:
Okay. Then all you have to do is just remind the guys that stole your plate that, they're already on notice that theft or seizure of property costs this much. And to date, this is the nearest estimate to what they owe you. Just remind them of that fact. And then when they fail to respond, then that pretty much sets in stone what your value is now, doesn't it?
[02:29:25] Unknown:
Yeah. You established it by, yeah, They're making a record.
[02:29:32] Unknown:
You made the record when you filed the fee schedule. It was in the public. They had access to it. You
[02:29:46] Unknown:
know, these attorneys have a a real driven agenda, and what I see is, you know, before they move on something, they gotta get, basically, consent from their supervisors, their or their higher ups to move forward. Because when he called on that, I couldn't hear the recording of, what he said because he shut the mic off. But he was calling for permission from somewhere of what to do because, you know, I give him my national status and all that kind of stuff, and the car was in a trust. And I was self insured, And they didn't wanna acknowledge it, so they charged me with petition plates, no driver license, no insurance.
Even though I had, he said, why you take it even though I had, self insurance, he said, why you take that up with the court. And but the first thing I asked him, I said I said, proof commerce. Can you prove commerce? Well, he said, well, what did you buy over there when you stopped at big r? I said, well, I picked up a bag of dog food. What's that matter? You know, I shouldn't even ask answer the question, but I did. I said I picked up some dog food, because that isn't commerce. But, you know, that's your your regular business. But, anyway, then I asked him, I said, do you have a warrant? He said, I don't need one.
But this is their belligerence, and this is their, you know, training to always try to take control and stay on top. But anyway, you know, we didn't argue or fight, and I I wanted to get out and take a picture of him taken off that plate. And, you know, he pushed the door shut, and he said, no. You can't get out. Okay. Well so I turned around, and I got him it's on the, the the body cam also. But I turned around, with my phone and took a picture into the back window where he's kneeled down behind my trunk. But, anyway, we still have to settle that matter, but, I put a a foyer request into the city asking for this for their charter and for the county. I want their charter.
And they they haven't, produced it, so I gotta compel that deal too. So this is just a protocol that these agents are basically operating under, and it's basically under the direction of a bar attorney, The county attorney, the city attorney, and it's the same guy. And those notices I've sent out, I mean, he's always listed up on the top somewhere. But these have been noticed of all these crimes. What did we do? Did you, report it to some authority where you know these people are being, forced drugged and poisoned and all this stuff? But, anyway, hopefully, maybe the or somebody will help to prosecute it out.
I hope.
[02:32:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Hopefully. Hey, Joe. Do you are are you done with, like, the 10th or 11th page of your, itemized bill yet? No. Because I know it's gonna be multiple pages. Wow. This, this has been really awesome. Anybody else got any, any other questions for Joe?
[02:33:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Paul, this is Dwayne. You also got a couple questions.
[02:33:33] Unknown:
Okay. Hi, Dwayne.
[02:33:36] Unknown:
Hey. Let me get you all off speaker. There's a ton of, Supreme Court cases and cases all around the country about being able to travel versus driving, travel without a license with that versus driving and bunches and some of the one of those docs citing a bunch of these cases is on the matrix.com site. And I'm wondering, have you thrown any of those cases the fact that you have the right to travel without a license or what, you know, that sort of thing in a private capacity?
[02:34:17] Unknown:
Well, they're they're gonna proceed on the presumption that you're not operating in a private capacity, that you are engaged in commerce purely by virtue of the fact that you're there. That's their presumption. K. And they know nothing about presumption, but
[02:34:33] Unknown:
Yeah. So you would do a motion or maybe an affidavit to file in those court case court cases with some of the sites. Wouldn't that be an appropriate counterattack, a logical counterattack against the presumptions?
[02:34:52] Unknown:
I don't know that, Joe. Do you have any ideas?
[02:34:59] Unknown:
I don't I don't think I'd do a motion. I'd do a I would do a petition,
[02:35:04] Unknown:
you know, that's basically, you know, part 2 guaranteed too. I I could be using the I am using the wrong word then as a motion, but to enter that into the evidence that, you know, the Supreme Court, y'all are gonna ignore the Supreme Court. They don't ignore the Supreme Court when it allows police to inter lie to you during an interrogation. So why would they, you know that's another it's another thought pattern to countermand the oh, we don't go by the spring, but there's also a bunch of court cases too that I've come across in 2 different documents. Some of them have the same cases and some of the cases are different in these two documents.
Because once they deny they're they're they're denying your rights on any level, then I bring a couple of day we a week or 10 days ago on this, I brought up the fact that the USC of, you know, I'm looking up the code now. I don't know where I got it, but it's USC code, about the conspiracy against rights.
[02:36:07] Unknown:
Oh, it's title 18 section 241.
[02:36:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That okay.
[02:36:14] Unknown:
Okay. But but here's the deal. Just another Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. I get what you're saying. Here's the deal. What I have determined, and I don't know if I'm correct or not. I have determined that there is no law in traffic court. The law the only law that applies is what comes out of the administrator's mouth because, they don't wanna hear about the constitution. That's an equity court. I mean, they're they're in contract enforcement and penalty contract, penalty enforcement. That's what they're about Because they're under the presumption that you are under contract with the DMV, with the Department of Public Safety, and everything else to conduct and behave in a certain way and to be, under the rules of the Department of Motor Vehicles and the traffic code.
So the first thing you have to do is, first of all, don't be there. Don't don't set foot in that court because then you're agreeing to that court's jurisdiction. It all has to be done administratively, and you have to challenge based on some of the background that Joe has done. You actually have to show them how they're acting unconstitutionally and let them know that you've only intend to pursue it to the to the fullest extent of the law. You gotta you gotta hit them with a big stick.
[02:37:52] Unknown:
No. I agree. Oh, believe me. I agree. I'm involved in stuff. But about 2 months ago, I was, just to address a couple of other topics. I was, in a parish outside of New Orleans. It's contiguous to, this New Orleans, Jefferson, and then this place, Saint Charles Parish. And I got pulled over, and and 33, Saint Charles Parish sheriff's deputies, agents came up to me, you know, put were were involved in this. I eventually got it. I tried to show them the documents I carry with me, both my affidavits, the one to Secretary of State, the one for the IRS, the notice to agent and notice to agent, the notice to agent's notice to principal, affidavit.
And I what I did was I on those notice once I got my US I mean, my not US, just my national passport card after having submitted the affidavits. I then did a notice to every Orleans Parish. I did it to the and the the Louisiana state attorney general. I did it to the Louisiana Department of Health and Human Services because it was back during COVID. I did it to the NOPD superintendent. I did, copy packages to the you Orleans Parish DA, the Orleans Parish City Attorney, the the local help us the city of New Orleans's help. And on each one of these, I I put the copy of the certified mail and gave all of them the information that I had already delivered all these notices of my status change to, you know, all the officers I just listed.
I had not noticed Saint Charles anybody in Saint Charles Parish. So when I got the ticket for no license, I decided not to fight it because I hadn't noticed anybody in that parish that I had corrected my status and I'm no longer under any of these presumptions of the UCC, and hence, the driver's license codes. But once I did my national status correction and noticed all the people in, you know, the offices in the Orleans Parish, then I busted that presumption. Even though the attorneys I brought this to, cops I brought this to date, and the sheriffs that I was just, deputies that I was explaining this to on the side of the road at 3 o'clock in the morning, they didn't want to know because it works them out of a job is the way I've looked at it.
Because all of a sudden now everything they're doing, there's very little unless you harm a person or their property, a person's property, harm or destroy it or harm or murder a human, there's no other crimes. Under the common law, there are few, but anyway, that's the way I've looked at it. That's how I've handled it. I'm gonna notice Saint Charles Parish, the same the DA, the sheriff's office and probably the mayor at this point. And, because they my goal is to have them learn that there are 2 political statuses in this country. One's been dormant, but is the super is not the we're no longer the inferior US citizen with Proseus and Immunities, now evolved into civil rights. That's the way I'm seeing this thing. So Alright. What I would do include this man
[02:41:08] Unknown:
Hang on. The name of the man. What I would do what I would do is because you're in Louisiana, law in Louisiana is a completely different animal than any other, than any of the other 49 states or territories. Okay? Louisiana is a absolute animal unto its own. So I would go and follow the example of this program and what Joe did is, you're gonna have to do the legwork and you're gonna have to dig out the very basis for why and how they think they have authority over you. And you're gonna have to challenge that at that level because Louisiana's note is different than New York. It's different than Wisconsin. It's different than Minnesota.
It's it's of its own. What is it? Like, still Roman law or whatever?
[02:42:04] Unknown:
The Napoleonic code. But we Yeah. You know, Napoleonic code. Usage
[02:42:08] Unknown:
our revised statutes are the UCC codes I'm in. In the state level. I'm
[02:42:16] Unknown:
in. I'm in. Okay.
[02:42:18] Unknown:
So anyway but I you're right on what it's Napoleonic code is what it was when it was the French law. That's part of the European law and the English form.
[02:42:31] Unknown:
Man. So
[02:42:33] Unknown:
anyway, and I like the the thing that the trademark. We do I just went and looked up the we do have the forms and the same thing that you are using what up in Massachusetts, Jeff. So I'm a go ahead and file some of that.
[02:42:47] Unknown:
He New Jersey. He's he's in New Jersey, but he did it in Minnesota.
[02:42:52] Unknown:
I think if you don't refute the name, you are refuting the fact that you're a national.
[02:43:01] Unknown:
I I I can follow that logic. No. I'm a start taking care of that. Believe me. Come Monday Tuesday. You know? So but, anyway, I appreciate what you've done. I can't wait to go download this show and and listen to the whole thing from the beginning. So, because I always like to learn, and you never know when you might hear something that connects another something I heard a long time ago or yesterday. So Right. Alright. Thanks a lot. I'll talk to you guys and gals later.
[02:43:30] Unknown:
Alright. Thank you. Call. Hey, Joe. His name. Joe, you got anything else to add?
[02:43:36] Unknown:
I I did step I had to step away for a minute because I'm at work. But, so I missed I know someone was, like, asking a question before, but I had to step away.
[02:43:47] Unknown:
He was asking about Louisiana and the Napoleonic code. And the only advice I could give him, even though this this program is not intended to provide legal advice, the only thing I could suggest is do exactly follow your example, do exactly what you did, and go right back to the founding documents for the state or the parish and figure out exactly what authority that they're using to do what they're doing. I think everybody should do that. I mean, just as, just as a a a preparatory exercise, look this stuff up for your state. Have it have a good idea of where it is, and and maybe print it out and make notes of where the stuff is.
You know? Wouldn't you agree?
[02:44:39] Unknown:
Yeah. I would agree.
[02:44:42] Unknown:
Because especially if you're planning on pushing the envelope, Gotta know what kind of a letter op or letter opener they're gonna be using. Rochelle, did you you were trying to get in here a moment ago?
[02:44:56] Unknown:
Then, yes, the man's name that spoke, I'd like his name because what he was doing with his paperwork was establishing that he, as a man living, is operating in good faith. And when he does that with his paperwork, that puts the state and the federal on notice that they've broken the trust. So I'd really like his name if you wouldn't mind giving it. Yeah. No. It's Dwayne. My name is Dwayne, and last name is David
[02:45:27] Unknown:
and Joseph in the middle of that. And and I don't go anywhere in my truck without these documents at my sitting right next to me, and all I do is travel on my, my national passport card. And I get into it with police. I have no problem. I've been being I've been dealing with this at anyway, I have no problem trying to educate people whether they wanna hear it or not. I I will back down, but this is so powerful when we're never taught and there's a saying that I've learned is it's what we don't know, can really hurt us, but what we think we know that just ain't so absolutely creams us.
And that is the premise that I work on. And I've since I was a kid, I didn't let bully bully anybody. Friends, people I don't know, or myself. And that's what this amounts to is people being bullied, and we just have to stand up to them once we understand the strength and the power of what Roger has taught us.
[02:46:37] Unknown:
We're being bullied if our life, liberty, or property is, taken out from under us. And your paperwork that you mentioned is what I'm in I'm interested in going through this class and get in because there's so much meat in it, and I can take I can write some paperwork up for myself if I'm stopped. So
[02:47:00] Unknown:
Rogers it's all in it's all in the matrix docs.com. And, and and and then the other thing, I I don't if anybody wants it, they just ask Paul and and Roger has my email address. But, I also carry the sites of it's like 4 pages 4 and a half pages of the different sites that that young man when that came on maybe a year and a half or so ago that and his dad was a lawyer. I think he's out in the day he live in California. And he did a YouTube on what he learned in the courses and reading Roger's book, and he I think his dad went he had his dad go through and do the, where he checks to see if it you know, checks to see if there's a particular name for it. I forget what it's called in the release, but to to shepherd the cases.
And he put these cases, the sites from these different cases about the differentials between this national and the state citizen, the 14th Amendment citizen the state citizen and the US citizen in this YouTube. And I did, screenshots of the different sites and I copied and pasted it onto a document that I've now attached to the affidavits and the the notices to the principals and agents because they don't understand this, so you gotta give them some court stuff. That my experience is they don't understand it because it's the first time they've all heard this, and and and it took me 10 years before I acted on it of studying with Roger Readiness book, etcetera, and looking at other people talk and see what they had to say. So I did a lot of research. I finally did it. It took 10 years for meeting Roger. That was, like, 3 years ago, that when I executed it, we took action on this.
So, but these court case sites are is a big deal because now they can't refute it and call me crazy because you got 12 or 14 cases including a site from the IRS that says the state citizen is not a taxpayer. It's like, you know? So, up until then, it's just me going against the common, what they've been people have been taught my entire lives. So it it that's a big deal because now they don't have a leg to stand on. I mean, you can try, but they don't. So anyway
[02:49:25] Unknown:
but They can't listen.
[02:49:27] Unknown:
Yeah. For sure. Alright. That's the I'm listening till the end and I can't wait to download this particular session. So thank you all.
[02:49:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Hello. This is Chris from California and I appreciate what I'm hearing. Do you have any way of
[02:49:46] Unknown:
telling me where I might find a YouTube video
[02:49:49] Unknown:
of that guy from California to be sad, separated?
[02:49:53] Unknown:
I think let me go see if it's I think it's on Matrix box, so I just posted that. I have to go in to get yeah. Hold on a second. Let me let's see. John b Wells. I'm looking. I think you're talking about Presley. I'm pretty sure that it was a young guy, you know, like maybe young twenties and his dad was a lawyer.
[02:50:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Was well, was it Paul and Roger on the video?
[02:50:28] Unknown:
Could be. I'm not I don't I haven't looked at it in probably a year or so.
[02:50:33] Unknown:
Okay. Well, yeah. I think it probably is Presley that you're talking about and there are he he made his own videos, but there's also a video on matrix stops. I think 2 of them. One of them is the interview with Presley with, Roger
[02:50:50] Unknown:
and and Paul.
[02:50:51] Unknown:
Are you Yeah. It's a 2 hour program. The first hour is an interview with Roger and Presley, and the second hour is Presley's video from YouTube.
[02:51:02] Unknown:
So it's all together. Yeah. And the other one I really like is the affidavit of citizenship evidence. I think that's the one that had I I don't carry it with me because I wanna keep something, some dry powder in the chamber, so to speak. No. It's not the other. There's one that actually proves what's the difference between the national and the state citizen, and it's a different format than the sites. Because the sites, I just put a text box on it and then copy you know, did a copy on it from the, YouTubers, the YouTube video of Presley since that's I'm sure that's the one. But, anyway and then I put it on Word documents and made where, like, 4 of them 4 of these sites per page, very easy to read, you know, and again, it's just you're trying to break one, the fear of of because they've heard so much BS out there on the street. They're right. They're only going to do what they learn, but I'm in the process of trying to get to whoever teaches constitutional law to the recruits.
This needs to become part of the to me in my opinion and experience over the last 18, 19 years need is critically important become part of the education of the policing enforcement agents in this country. Because without it, all we're gonna continue to devolve into a surveillance state. And New Orleans is one of the test grounds by Palantir for pre crime thought recognition patterns done by Mitch Landrieu, and it's absolutely got me so irate after these these 14 people were killed New York New Year's Eve night because of laziness and the reliance on techno surveillance. They they saw just I'm going off on a tangent. I don't wanna go there. But but it's really important to start educating these people and for us to become confident to be able to present this information in a succinct, credible and documentable where we can prove it state.
[02:53:06] Unknown:
Just before Abram left us, he, he put out a piece, a 3 page piece called affidavit of citizenship evidence with exhibits. It's quite good. I think it could be added to, but he did an excellent job.
[02:53:21] Unknown:
Yeah. For a young guy, I mean, it's it, you
[02:53:24] Unknown:
know, it's very impressive. So I'm not talking about you guys, Blake. I'm talking about Abram.
[02:53:30] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Alright. Sorry. I'm trying to keep everybody straight because that's not where my my mind is at the moment. Yeah. It's kinda rough. Alright. Well, that's all I got right now, so thank you.
[02:53:42] Unknown:
Okay. We've we've got an area code 304 with, with the hand still up that's unmuted. Charleston, do you have something to add?
[02:53:52] Unknown:
Yeah. This is Kent. Well, can you hear me okay?
[02:53:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I can.
[02:53:57] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Thank you. So is Joe still on the line?
[02:54:03] Unknown:
Well, he dropped out of Zoom, but I do believe that a Joe joined for a conference call, but he is at work. Yeah. I'm on conference call. I'm still here.
[02:54:12] Unknown:
Okay. I'm just
[02:54:14] Unknown:
I'm I'm heading home, so I swapped out my where I was on.
[02:54:19] Unknown:
K. This is, Kent in the New York City area. First of all, I wanna thank Roger and Paul for bringing you on the call. I've been trying to get in touch with you through lady Linda Louise in Connecticut. If you'd give me a call sometime, I would appreciate it. But I want to ask this question. Have you made any decision yet? There was a number of things presented here including by you as far as what you would do next related to obtaining compensation or possibly taking over the borough, but it sounded like you've disbanded that methodology.
And then of course it was suggested that possibly this is a case that should go to the Supreme Court. In thinking this through and maybe you haven't done this completely yet and I don't have answers to this question, would you think that then settling this case by April and dropping the charges and of course, Daryl makes a good point about dismissal versus a discharge. But would you think that by accepting that you're wiping out your opportunity to number 1, get compensation, number 2, to continue your quest to take over and shut down the borough or have their assets turned over to the people, and number 3, bringing a Supreme Court case? And then I have a couple of other comments to make after you address that. Thank you.
[02:55:49] Unknown:
Alright. I I don't think Joe has any intention of maliciously trying to take down the borough. I think he just wants to be left alone.
[02:55:59] Unknown:
Yeah. No. I don't yeah. He's right. I'm not trying to take the borough down. It's just that I have to go to this extreme measure in order for them to recognize and uphold my rights. And I say, if you can't do that, then I can invoke the constitution to rid you of your right. Right? Because the only time you can really truly lose your rights is when you violate the rights of someone else. They have a right to be a government. They have a right to act in this, corporate capacity of the municipality. But the fact that they violated my rights in in their operation.
Right? And, so they forfeit their right to remain a city. So it's like if you have to go to this extreme measure just to get them to uphold your rights, that's where you have to go. But if they're going to remedy this, you know, and say, hey. Listen. You know what? We're gonna get rid of those charges. We're not gonna give you any jail time. We're not gonna fine you and make you pay lots of fines. We're not gonna threaten to throw you in jail if you don't show up or anything like this or issue warrants for your arrest. Then I don't have to go through the whole dissolving the city because they're they're they're righting their wrongs.
Alright? So there wouldn't be an intention to do that. But if they do right the wrongs, then I can't take the court case to the Supreme Court because then they would say, well, there's no reason for it since they they they may have harmed you or wronged you, but then they corrected that. Right? So but I will issue them a bill, you know, for my legal fees, you know, once once they dismiss the charges. Now I'm gonna say, okay. Thank you. Charges are all dismissed. Here's my here's my legal fees. Alright? The the city can pay that. I think they much rather pay that than losing cities.
[02:58:01] Unknown:
I understand I understand that. Not to be argumentative about it, but I I wouldn't consider it malicious to try and take over the borough, the city, the town, township, village, etcetera, because they're operating in a corporate capacity. And what while you say they have the right to operate in a corporate capacity, we also have the right to have a republic. And these cities or municipalities, and I'm working with a city municipality in New Jersey at this time, are not providing a republic form of government. They're providing a corporation. So if they don't want to provide once given the opportunity and brought to their attention that they are not providing a republic, I certainly wouldn't consider it malicious to try and take them over and make an example out of them.
But of course, everybody's entitled to do what they think is right. But I think we need to ask at the outset in what position are they and do they have the right to do what they're doing. But I think it's also fine if you collect compensation from them and make them pay that. In the end, the taxpayers pay that depending on how you're going to go about holding them accountable. I'm not sure that that's correct, but maybe that brings the attention to the taxpayers that they need to do something about this situation. I'm in the process of trying to get them to pass a resolution in the municipality that they will set up a committee regarding constitutional compliance and make a determination about how the municipality is out of constitutional compliance and then correct that. So there's a lot of different things to be worked on in this country and I applaud what you were doing. So I wasn't trying to pin you down with those three points or tell you that you should do it one certain way. The thing that I want to add to that is when they took your fingerprints, did you raise any issues about the fingerprints were your personal property?
Because that's something you might want to even if you didn't raise that issue at that time under, I believe it was Davis versus Mississippi or Hayes versus Florida, Brown versus Texas. I believe it was determined by the Supreme Court that your fingerprints are your personal property. So being an American National, you should could certainly claim that. So
[03:00:12] Unknown:
I understand that.
[03:00:14] Unknown:
That. I'm sorry. Can you comment on that? And then I want to make a couple of other comments and then I'll yield.
[03:00:20] Unknown:
So, I sent them notice about the whole thing with the handprints and the and some other stuff regarding that. I don't wanna get into too many details on that. But, yes, I I suspect that what I did with them regarding, like, the handprints and some other claims that I, by being a claimant on that being my property and such really kinda put, you know, it it definitely did something with them because I did I did do something in regards to the fingerprints and hand prints with them and they, you know, like, the the county just dropped it immediately. You know, it's a combination of things.
Like, I don't wanna get into particular things with what I did with that. But, yes. I utilized that, to my advantage in that case as well, and that went along with my affidavit. And it was, I think it was part and parcel to what they did or how they handled me with the courts and probably why my all my records are sealed now. I think because of the you know, they can't they can't put me into any kind of servitude or slavery condition anymore.
[03:01:45] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yep. A couple other comments I would have based on what was said prior. You were talking about there or somebody said something about when you take over a town, what departments you could take. Am I mistaken? I was talking to a paralegal yesterday who has about 40 years experience in New Jersey. It happens to be with municipal systems and the county system and politics. And he was telling me that the Board of Education's while the from a taxing point of view, the mayor and council or whatever form of government is in place has something to say about the existence of the Board of Education.
But he told me they can only do it through that taxing provision determining that no, we're not going to allow that to happen in this community. But he said as far as the Board of Ed, they are operating under a separate Dun and Bradstreet number. They have nothing to do with the municipality in that regard. Another point that he made was that in New Jersey, there's no statute that allows a municipality to hire a prosecutor. And Giurgenti tried to get around this apparently by passing some statute or administrative code. I'm not clear on that what exactly he did regarding the training of prosecutors, but he said that there's still no existence of a statute that would allow a municipality to actually hire a prosecutor.
So do you know anything about that before I make my final couple comments?
[03:03:14] Unknown:
Regarding the school system, I I one thing I do know is that, yeah, the Board of Education operates separately, but they do get it is up to the mayor to keep those schools functioning and whatever, you know, whatever funds are coming in or whatever for the school. They have they're supposed to basically, they're the accountant for the for the school system for that town. So like I was saying before, if the city were to be dissolved, the receiver would actually be put into that position to make to maintain the funding for the schools properly. Now Mhmm. But the school system would still be there.
It would just that you know, the school name would probably change or something like that, you know, if they establish a new city. You know? It may not change. It just depends.
[03:04:01] Unknown:
You know?
[03:04:03] Unknown:
And on the prosecutor? The comments I made about the prosecutor?
[03:04:07] Unknown:
The the the prosecutor thing, I don't I don't know. I never looked into that. That's a good that's a good point, and that's a very interesting point. Yeah. I think we should I would wanna look into that because in the future, I could say, you know, we could utilize that. Say, you have a you guys hired a prosecutor for your city. Under what authority do you have that? Where does that authority come from? Well, I was thinking
[03:04:35] Unknown:
yeah. I'm sorry.
[03:04:36] Unknown:
Yeah. You never had that.
[03:04:39] Unknown:
Got it. I was thinking that you could use that even in your case, even if you haven't raised it, you could look into that. And if that's valid, you might have you were talking about the points that you could use to collect compensation from them and some other people were referring to that. So that might also be an issue that you could use.
[03:04:59] Unknown:
It's not it's not a bad one. I'd have to, you know, really because that's a to me, I never even thought about that. Like, what provision are they operating on before we have a prosecutor for the city? So I don't know. Yeah. That's totally different. I I never thought of that. That's a cool idea.
[03:05:18] Unknown:
K. And, according to what you were saying, basically the only way that the city or any municipalities incorporated could change any of this would be to revise the New Jersey Constitution. Is that what you were actually saying? Because obviously after you come forth and do this and they seal your records and a couple of other people come forth doing what they're doing in the state of New Jersey, someone in the state is going to say, how are we going to stop this before somebody actually enforces to take over of a city and the dissolving of their corporate charter. So is there any other way that you foresee from the research you did that could they could attempt to stop people such as yourselves or people such as me that might move to dissolve their corporate charter?
[03:06:10] Unknown:
I think the answer to that is simple. And what they need to do I got you. They they need they need to do what they need to do to function lawfully and in accordance with the constitution. If they straighten up and fly right, nobody can take them down.
[03:06:32] Unknown:
Why would they wanna do that? Open.
[03:06:35] Unknown:
Did you have any other comment on that, Joe?
[03:06:40] Unknown:
I kinda lost with you with your statement while I was down.
[03:06:45] Unknown:
Oh, I I was I think the whole point is either you're a a 14th amendment citizen or you're not, and you're out to protect that right. And that's what I would hope Joe, if he ever got to the 2nd floor of the Supreme Court, would be making the argument. Leave us damn nationals alone.
[03:07:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Tom, what was your statement again?
[03:07:11] Unknown:
Well, I was asking regarding people such as yourself who would possibly move. I mean, I get what you're saying that you don't have an intent to take the borough down or to dissolve their corporate charter, as long as they fly straight so to speak or make restitution to you. But I'm asking whether or not you see any other way based on what you were talking about with the New Jersey Constitution that you see any other way that they might attempt to stop people such as yourself or other people who are asking for constitutional compliance committees in a borough, which could lead down to the takedown of the corporate charter. If you see any other way than a constitutional amendment that they would be able to change this or stop you.
[03:08:00] Unknown:
They would have to get rid of the fact that in the in the state constitution, it says that the that all power is inherent in the people. They'd have to get rid of that. Right? And then they would have to show that the government gets derives its authority from something other than the people. Right? Because it says in the state constitution that government derives its authority from the consent of the people. Right? So the people's authority is what gives them the the power to have any kind of authority. So they would have to fundamentally change that part of the constitution, but they would have to cite a new source of authority for where they derive their power from.
[03:08:43] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:08:44] Unknown:
And I think that would that would be a little challenging where they're gonna get it from if it's not from the people.
[03:08:52] Unknown:
Right. A little challenging. So Okay. Thank you. So the other comment I wanted to make was, there was a comment about the DOT process. I was told that it was no longer rumor that it was fact that you can no longer obtain those plates. Do you know any more about that or has this been proposed to you by other people or do you think that it is just rumor?
[03:09:17] Unknown:
I think that's rumor. I you know what it is? People reach out to me all the time and say, hey. I can't get the DOT number. And then I'll go on the computer and sit there with them and walk them through the through the steps and then they get the number. So I think it's just it's just down to people just not chilling out the form correctly. Okay. Perfect. Understanding what they're supposed to do. Personal joke. Just yeah. So lastly so lastly,
[03:09:42] Unknown:
Joe, the reason one of the reasons I contacted you was, you I didn't know your whole story, but now we've heard a greater part of the story. We would probably like to consider having you on a call on Tuesday night, the Republic call. So if you would contact me at the phone number that I left you, I would appreciate it if you would be interested in spreading this information to people that would be on other telephone calls. Would that be a possibility?
[03:10:07] Unknown:
Sure.
[03:10:09] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. So I'll I'll wait for your call then. Either that or you can send me your phone number via email, and I'll call you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Paul. I appreciate it.
[03:10:19] Unknown:
Joe, I'd I'd like to read read one more paragraph from Bros. There was a there was there was a woman that was just trying to say something before.
[03:10:28] Unknown:
Yes, Joe. Rochelle Idaho. In my humble opinion, I feel my very humble opinion that you would be lacking duty if you accepted compensation for this egregious assault on all three life, liberty, and property issues. And it would be best for the republic and most likely even for you in the long run to not accept compensation and leave the door open to prosecute that particular specific county if indeed you need to open and unseal your case again at some future date.
[03:11:17] Unknown:
No. They're not gonna un I don't think they're gonna unseal the case.
[03:11:22] Unknown:
No. They won't, but you could because they have broken the trust. And if you accept financial gain like a lawyer does for being harmed, then you, at that point, close the case on yourself.
[03:11:40] Unknown:
Joe can't bring criminal charges. All he can do is ask for compensation.
[03:11:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Right. Well, you don't wanna bring criminal charges. You wanna rectify the problem in the future should it come up again.
[03:11:55] Unknown:
But, anyway I I I hope you don't take the compensation.
[03:11:59] Unknown:
No. No. I what I think though is that from what I did is they're probably gonna do something where in their system, they just say just leave this guy alone since the fact that, you know, if I can do it once, how many how many more times could I do it?
[03:12:13] Unknown:
You know? Every time it depends. Other county does it. You'll set the example for every other county that's being taken over, by the corporate. And there's gonna come a time when they're gonna push it and push it. And when that happens, I don't I just think that there's a higher level of compensation. You are justice. Not we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the
[03:12:42] Unknown:
we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the we're in the It's easy for me to say. They're they're gonna do everything in their power. Yeah. It's easy to say, but it's no. They're gonna do everything in their power to keep this under the carpet. Right? And and keep this from if if I were to actually go through with it, let's say I say screw you guys, I'm gonna go through with it and dissolve the city. What do you think they're gonna do to me?
[03:13:07] Unknown:
They're gonna kill you, but you don't need to do that. All you need to do is leave it open by never accept not accepting the fact that you've been compensated.
[03:13:19] Unknown:
Yeah. So yeah. Don't And that's that's my point. But, you know, no. I think what they're gonna do is they're going to, they're gonna put, like, a little warning or a code or something on the information. So if a cop stops me, you know, they're gonna be, like, you gotta let this one go because
[03:13:40] Unknown:
he's, he's a problem. Do not keep
[03:13:45] Unknown:
Anyway, you're you probably can best protect yourself by just never taking any of your ammo away.
[03:13:56] Unknown:
They did that by dropping the charges. Anyway, I They took his ammo away ammo away by dropping the charges.
[03:14:04] Unknown:
Oh, he did drop the charges. Oh, I got it. I got it. The only,
[03:14:09] Unknown:
the only charge that hasn't been dropped is the, no license charge. And they he said he'll close that out. As soon as I get discovery, we can go into the, go back on the court. So I know what they're doing. What they're doing is they're doing from I
[03:14:24] Unknown:
he was on the defensive, and you gave him you don't have to give him that higher ground, I don't think.
[03:14:31] Unknown:
No. I'm gonna have it shut down. I'm gonna finish it out and shut it down before before there's another court date. But the thing is that, you know, like, I know I'm I'm in the right areas, so I'm just gonna keep keep doing what I was doing. Yes. But my my point Yeah. So the fact is that that that's the only one, but I know what they're doing. What they're doing is they're trying to collect money off of the bonds that they did on that court case. That's what they're trying to do. That's why they're throwing it out at this point. They're not doing anything other than trying to just make money off of the case just sitting there. Right? Because they can still because it's under a private trust.
That's why it's sealed. Alright? And they put it under trust, and they put they put bonds into the court case. I I've I've broke this down on the show before showing the the statutes how they're how they're funneling the the the funds like that.
[03:15:19] Unknown:
And, They're making profit off of the harm they did you and our republic.
[03:15:25] Unknown:
Yeah. That's right. So and that's that's the only reason why they keep pushing it out. Like, oh, well, we're gonna get rid of these, but, you know, we're gonna keep this one going because they're trying to they're waiting for the bond to mature so they can they can go cash it in and then drop the charges. That's that's what they're doing.
[03:15:42] Unknown:
So I know that the game is a good that. If you can monetize what they made off of you. Goodness. Yeah. So yeah. That's a true harm to our republic as well as to you all your time and effort.
[03:15:58] Unknown:
Wow. Well, I Okay. Yeah. But if once I can get the CUSIP number for the case, you know, I can go create, an an audit with the IRS on them for that and get the rest of it closed out. That way. And then, as evidence, say look at what they're doing. They're funding the city with the police, which is a crime. They can't do that.
[03:16:22] Unknown:
They're funding the city by harming the individual men and women in the county. Yes. The attack continues. That gives you that gives you the upper hand then in the end. I think that's really great.
[03:16:34] Unknown:
That that's that's what I'm working on right now. So That's good. Good processing.
[03:16:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Wow.
[03:16:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Hello? I've seen, I've been trying to cover everything. Hey.
[03:16:49] Unknown:
This is Chris from California. I I heard the man say it was a Tuesday call that he wanted to have, have Joe on. I wondered what that call was, how to access that call.
[03:17:05] Unknown:
It's the Republic call. And, that phone number do you want the phone number? You got something written down? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. It's 425-436-6280 with an access code of 695-623 pound. And that and that call starts at 9:30 or 8:30 EST.
[03:17:32] Unknown:
Got it. Okay.
[03:17:35] Unknown:
So Thank you. Joe? Joe, that master servant relationship, it's the people that were basically given the authority like you said. But you know, the first Article 1, the first couple of verses or first couple of lines, it says all legislative powers herein granted. The people came before the government or the Constitution was even established. So it's the people that delegated authority to the servants and created this here United States Constitution or Constitution for the United States of America as a servant to the people, as a limitation of delegated authority to those that are the servants.
And that that is a big deal. But if they deny you discovery and you put in your discovery request and they don't answer your discovery, they're denying you a defense. And if they're denying you, then they're denying you due process of law. And this is their this is their biggest thing. And the whole thing is that there's normally not never a injured party because they always come with the state of corporation being the plaintiff. And that's what has to be centered around. But these are real fundamental things. And when you demand discovery, they really have nowhere to go.
And because they can't that means any answer would be a confession of their operating outside of their authorities, so a yield.
[03:19:11] Unknown:
Yes, and I would like to say something. This is Paul from Kentucky. I was on the call earlier and I asked a question and then other people chimed in and I got pushed to the back of the line. But to Daryl's case in point, that's where my question was heading. Joe, again, I admire your your, tenacity to stick with what you're doing, and it does take that kind of tenacity. And I'm dealing with several cases like that myself. But to Daryl's case in point, what I'm running into is, and I said this on the call earlier, I don't have a problem, not that it's easy, but I don't have a problem winning the case like you're doing, and congratulations.
What I'm struggling with is after it's over, well, they have injured me. They have caused damages, my life, my liberty, what have you, in your case, even property. And so I'm going back to get restitution and remedy for those damages. And what I'm running into, and Daryl alluded to this, they just ignore me like a judge will ignore the case. I have 2 current cases, and I'm dying to get an answer. I've got 2 cases that are setting in the court of appeals that shouldn't even be there. They're not there because they're legitimately appealable.
They're there because the judge failed to do process, and he hides hides the case so bad that that's the next step, so to speak. It's not really legitimately the next step. And, you know, I don't even know how to take this case to the Court of Appeals when it has no reason to be there. And that would be my question to the Court of Appeals. Why are we here? And so, if and when you win this case, which I believe you will, it sounds very, it sounds like you're you're on the right path, and you've done a lot of work to get there. And that's what some people don't understand. Sometimes the reason you seek remedy is several reasons. 1, to get compensated for your time because time is the most valuable thing we have.
We can never replace time. You can replace your car, your house, but you can never replace time. So, yes, you would like to be compensated for their lack of due diligence or their lack of what have you. But I find when you start that process, and I think Daryl is in a similar boat than I am, when you start that process, they do everything they can to diffuse, divert, and divide you to where you can't seek remedy. Even if it means taking a a bogus situation to the court of appeals because a judge fails to do process, fails to answer the facts and findings and conclusions of law, that should automatically put that case in default according to the rules of procedure.
But the Court of Appeals will ignore that. The judge will ignore that. And so I yield, but if anybody out there has anything that they could help me with that, I I can handle cases when this is what you do, and this is how you do it, and this is what you do. But in my cases, we're not playing by the rules. So and, Chris, it's good to hear you on the call. If you get a chance, I look forward to your email, sir, and I yield.
[03:23:08] Unknown:
Hello?
[03:23:10] Unknown:
Hey, Chris.
[03:23:13] Unknown:
Did everybody hang up on me?
[03:23:15] Unknown:
Hey, Chris. Do you have an email?
[03:23:19] Unknown:
No. I sent Chris my email address. He was gonna send it back to me. Oh, okay. But I guess we're the only 2 on the call. I must have ran everybody off.
[03:23:30] Unknown:
Okay. Are you talking are you still here?
[03:23:37] Unknown:
Are you talking about Chris from California?
[03:23:40] Unknown:
Yes. Yes, sir.
[03:23:41] Unknown:
Yeah. My email is media, m e d I a. Oh, hang on, Chris. I I mean, I I was at I sent you my email. This is Paul. Right, Paul. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. Give me your email if you don't mind. I'd appreciate it. I'll give it again.
[03:23:58] Unknown:
Mediaxandthenmenmen.
[03:24:04] Unknown:
[email protected].
[03:24:07] Unknown:
Okay.
[03:24:10] Unknown:
And I guess everybody hung up. I I didn't mean to run everybody off. I was just asking a a simple question and sharing some wisdom that I've dealt with when you counterclaim, an issue. So
[03:24:24] Unknown:
I just wanted to see if Joe is still here.
[03:24:27] Unknown:
Does does yeah. Does does does anybody understand how this whole CUSIP number works? Because I've read about it before, but then Roger doesn't deal with that straw man, all caps name stuff. And is that all tie into the straw man and everything?
[03:24:42] Unknown:
Oh, no. There's a whole bag of them. Yeah. I'm gonna go look. You better find them. Man.
[03:24:47] Unknown:
Do you even look in the back of that? Hand. Get them off. They're gonna be throwing away all of them, and they feel real good.
[03:24:54] Unknown:
Thank you.
[03:24:56] Unknown:
I've heard of the q ship number. I I I'm educated on it, but I don't know anything about it. I mean, I understand it's out there. I understand its purpose, but I've not really dove into that part yet. I yield.
[03:25:15] Unknown:
This is Dwayne. I've brought up this guy before. He's, [email protected], and he teaches courses on discharging of debt and is quite successful with it from what I understand. I'm actually going to get back. I've listened to TJ for maybe 10 or 12 years. He was one of the people that also said the same thing as Roger, but Roger was more involved with the US citizen versus state citizen slash national knowledge. But with that being said, TJ is very, very good at teaching how what the discharge is, and he gets in I've got I can't disclose it because you have to be a member to access this information, but he's written, like, a 17 page memorandum on the monetary system and how to discharge debts for certain crimes, certain corporate bills, and certain government bills.
So it might be well worth $29 a month to go to urlaw.org and sign up and get into his what he's learned and teaches. On one other thing about the New Jersey and the town, the gentleman up there that's doing the work about with the when you marry corporatism in government, you get fascism. We're not given a fascist state of government or guaranteed the republic. So that may be another tangent to include in the work you're doing up there. I'm done. Thank you.
[03:26:52] Unknown:
Does that make sense? The court is all operating under that CRIS, which is the court reporting investment system or registering investment system. And every one of them cases are monetized with the CUSIP and that ties to the bonds that are put in. And they're basically you know, sucking it off of, you know, the instrument that they're using to monitor monetize. And, you know, it it's a court case number that they're monetizing. Each one of them has a CUSIP. And to try to get that through discovery, you know, more likely, they'll try to just dismiss the case and try to skirt around it. But if you don't if they don't discharge that case, then it still remains open for them to funnel out of it if they just dismiss it.
But it is very important that you demand that they discharge it because what it is is a debt collection process. And the first thing that they do when you file when they give you a ticket, the first thing that they do first place that ticket goes is to the Department of Revenue for processing, then they send it down to the court for collections. And it's a debt collection procedure, and that's why that fair debt collection process is an effective avenue to try to compel that yield.
[03:28:20] Unknown:
Are they using the, are they using the CUSIP number when they send it to the Department of Revenue for processing?
[03:28:28] Unknown:
No. That that would be the first thing. It'll be after you get it down to the court, that's when that would happen.
[03:28:35] Unknown:
Okay. So they're using that number at the court for collections then. Is that what you're saying? Well, that's to that's to monetize the that's to monetize the case.
[03:28:48] Unknown:
They'll monetize in that case so they can draw off your sestaquay trumps in that attempt.
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Wow.
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If all these these courts are not really courts. And as, you see in article 1, second, 8 clause 9, it says, congress has the power to, constitute tribunals inferior to the smallest supreme capital c court. And that's the court in article 3. All these other, legislative these are legislative tribunals. And so what they're doing is they're implementing a tribunal against the fiction because they have no authority over the man, because the man is the sovereign or the man or woman is the sovereign. And we are the master. We existed before government.
It all goes back to the created can never be greater than the creator. God created man, man created government, formed government. We didn't really create it. To create something, you'd have to make it from nothing. But we actually it was actually formed through words in in the limiting of authority, but it and it goes back to the laws of nature and nature's god. That is superior. And then you got the maxims. And, you know, you've got a level, but they're trying to hold us under administrative corporate statutes and code and try to pull you into the, benching, enforcing this against the dead because they're bringing in that dead entity. They're actually they won't even issue you a driver license because you can't apply because you're alive.
They can only bring in the the vessel, the entity, the Inzligas, basically, under the doctrine of parents' patrie. And if you don't claim that estate, then, you know, they consider that you're incompetent. And that's the only thing an attorney can represent is a incompetent person, a deceased veteran, an infant. But they could that's why they're so compelled to, you know, make this look or appear very, difficult. And then they try to confuse you, and well, then you get an attorney. And the attorney sells you out down the river. And it's an entrapment, but that's the design of the system. And this is all done under the patent and trademark where the each of your patents is basically a business model.
This is they put together a business model and patented it, and now they're operating their business model. Well, it's basically a corporate enslavement process that they are trying to exercise. It's not for the benefit of the people, it's just to support their business model. It's all business. But when they're doing it, they're doing human trafficking because they're holding the man or the woman as the same entity using identity theft. They're holding you as that legal fiction rather than the living, living soul, Aiel.
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Sounds like they're trafficking in dead people.
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Well, but they're still holding you as a surety for that vessel. And by holding you as incompetent, if you don't defend it, and then they compel it, and if you don't know how to defend it, I mean, they just run over you. And the next thing, you become a debt slave, or do you become a creditor slave? Because in reality, you are the creditor. And, Sherrick Markitso brought that to my attention, but that is a very good point. You know, they say that we are debt slaves. Well, we are in a sense because we don't have any wealth. But we have credit and debits, but the whole thing is it's a it's a debt system.
And the only way you can create more credit is to is to borrow it into existence as more debt. So it's a slavery system by design, Ayil.
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And the name is that dead person, and that's, I think, the key to what we need to do is to refute the name, state that we're nationals, because this is all about jurisdiction.
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Yes.
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See, what they're actually doing is they're actually bringing war against the people, because what they're doing is all based upon the war powers. And this starts, you know, even before Lincoln. But, it was it was a setup, you know, in this whole structure, but they're actually warring against the people through lawfare and using the courts against the living. And Are you if he Are are you are you familiar with,
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the argument that Bros makes about Swift versus Tyson versus Erie Railroad versus Tompkins?
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A little bit. Yes.
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Let me read a paragraph from there to see if you agree. The Erie Railroad decision saying there was no general federal common law was based on the fact that the man who sued the railroad was an outlaw to the constitution. That is that is he had no standing in absolute constitutional law because he was a 14th amendment citizen, and therefore, he could not call on any general federal commercial common law, and that still existed in the republic for protection. He had chosen, by the default of silence, the private law of the 14th Amendment Trust for public purposes. He he could not claim any rights based upon Swift versus Tyson decision nor could he access article 3 section 2 courts of judicial power. Instead, he could only compel to resort to article 1 legislative courts that operate outside the US constitution.
And that's why Joe right now, I think, has an opportunity now that he's got them on their back legs. He can move this to a constitutional supreme court, and they have to hear it. And he could make the claim for us nationals and set a precedent. That is what they don't want to happen. That is why they're backing off because the lower courts didn't understand the the the titty that was getting caught in the ringer, that the upper courts that when he did his petition, his writ, started to realize, uh-oh. We got a problem here. We have to stop it now.
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I think that's And that's why Joe's life would be in danger.
[03:36:07] Unknown:
Well, there's no know if he just did the petition to the Supreme Court whether he would get to that second floor or not, all of this would be, you know, a search should only see nothing happen to Joe. But, this is what's that issue, is its jurisdiction and it's the status that we need to remain on and I think all the rest of it is just too much complication and problem for us to have to deal with.
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May I they they denied his jurisdiction as well as
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Well, they tried to, of course. Yeah. I don't how you do that is very he tried to refute some of this in the beginning, but they just overrode it. And if you read Stamper's book, he's gonna he's gonna point that out. This is gonna be their attitude and this is how they're gonna attack you. And the the way to to deal with that is because they're not following due process, you attack them on process in an abatement.
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So May I? Anyway Yeah. I think I think what Joe has done is replicatable, and it's up to us to replicate it in our own, states and, courts. And it's I I think unfair to ask one man to subject the rest of his life to something that he's already, obtained for his own self. But he came on the call today to share the information he used, how he found it, where he found it, and we should all do that for our own selves. I yield. And the way he brings remedy to him remedy
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to him.
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The way he brings remedy to himself should hopefully not, put any of us in the situation where we can't replicate what he did.
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Yeah. I don't know how you replicate what Joe did over 2 years and all the filings that he's done. I think there's a lot to learn from it. It should be dissected, but, I'm not sure that there's a there's a course for anybody to take there that, one, they would want to do or, 2, that they would understand.
[03:38:36] Unknown:
Well, you first start and what he went back to was the founding documents, what established the city's authority. And that's what we always have to go back to, the foundations.
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No. I think it's personal. It's personal. It's individual. Period.
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Of course, it's perfect.
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An application, but the principle remains the same for everyone. No different than scripture.
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Well, yeah. See the whole thing the entire
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it was personal for the founding fathers and therefore gives us the right to make it personal for us.
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You know, even in Erie versus Railroad where it talks about, you know, that he's subject he has a 14th amendment citizen subject. But see, that's all presumption. And they they operate this whole system under presumption, under color. It's really they really don't have the constitutional authority to do what they're doing, but they're basically running a commerce business, a commercial business for profit. Mhmm. Who is volunteered
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to be a citizen? That's the point. Right?
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Well, by silence. If you don't That's exactly
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what he said. He used the word silence. By his silence, that's where he found himself. And that's what we're doing if we don't refute it. And I think that includes the name
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and being a Christian, by the way.
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Yeah. By by the silence. But, see, that's still they hold you by presumption, by silence, not by not by any fact. But and that's why you need a competent fact witness with firsthand knowledge. You know? And you demand that, in your discovery request.
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I think we need to do the negative in the court. Period. I think we need to do the abatement process and stay outside the courts.
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Right. Does it do a negative in the court?
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Courts are doing your sticking. Once you start arguing with them, you're agreeing that they have some reason to argue with you, which is jurisdiction.
[03:40:51] Unknown:
Well well, do it under the penalty of perjury, and then do it, do it, basically as an abatement, and and force them to come through or negative averment. Yeah. That that is not a fact. Prove that is not a fact. If you don't respond, then you stick them with their silence. Silence is a mission. It becomes a self executing contract. You stated under oath. They gotta rebut it under oath. These are basically the sovereign or the master exercising his superior authority, a yield.
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That's basically what the non statutory abatement is. It's bringing them up on the fact that their their procedure is Swiss cheese. You know, the biggest thing is court. It's not in court. It's outside it.
[03:41:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, there all these here this whole system operates at law, which is really outlaws. And Right. That's why your your court is basically an article 3 court, which is has jurisdiction in all cases over, law and equity, Admiralty Maritime, against all counselors, all the everyone. You have the authority. That's the difference between in law and at law. If you were at law and you're at the house and it's 30 below 0 outside and you couldn't get in the house, you could never get relief from the cold. You'd freeze to death. And but if you could get in the house, you could get relief from the cold.
And law works the same way. That if we if we go into their outlaw courts, you have the appearance that there's justice, but there really is no you you find no remedy. No relief. It's all deception. Yeah. It's all yeah. Big time. It's all lies and deception. So I yield.
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May I? There is a difference between remedy and accountability. And what Joe did was he held them to account according to the law. And so his remedy seeking monetary compensation for what they put him through is secondary to holding them to account for their positions. So and I yield.
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Well, the whole thing of it is is if you listen to what Brost is saying is is sort of my point. It is Jerry. Right?
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He's he's basically saying these lower courts,
[03:44:07] Unknown:
they don't understand this. They don't have a clue. It's when he made his petition to the higher court and had those writs and stuff in there and showed that the the the whole structure of the township, whatever, might be in jeopardy, they realized they had to act. And it wasn't until he got to that higher court. Just like bro did, these lower courts aren't gonna understand what you're even talking about. That's why it would be best to abate them and stop their process.
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Right. But they weren't gonna allow that. That was Joe's whole point. And he did hold them to account under agency rules. The secretary of state, the governor. Yes. So and that's a message that he learned through Roger.
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So That that's the argument we have to perfect that I don't think we have so that we could stop it early and cleanly and without a whole lot of hassle. That's what we really need to focus on, in my opinion.
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Right. And if you go straight to the root of it, which is where they derive their authority to even exist, is the how you stop the the fruit of that tree by cutting it off at the root. And that's what Joe has done. So,
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I'm sure The reason that they exist is because there's more than 51% of citizens out there, and until that goes away, you're not gonna get that kind of remedy. It only can be done on the individual basis, and I think what's so important is the name. You've gotta refute that name and stand on that and national status because otherwise your claim is not gonna work. None of the claims are gonna work if you don't have the national status. That's really the key.
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Okay. My question is, do you go at them through, their system or the common law system? Okay. But see, that's what Joe did by trademarking his name, which would hold them to account.
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He didn't trademark his name. He trademarked the name they made up for him. Well, fair enough. Fair enough. Samuel, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Well, but just to be clear,
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which just shows you how important the name is to me. It's quite obvious,
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you know, what they're trying to do. They can't bring in the flesh and blood. They can't do it.
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I agree, but they are ignoring that. And so when he went the route of the trademark, which they then lose their cloak of immunity in that regard. So what I'm saying is or my question is, yes. The common law is what we're supposed to be standing on because that's who, who governs what governs us, but using their their stuff against them as Joe did.
[03:47:11] Unknown:
Well, Sherry, how how I'm well, how I'm thinking about doing it is way before you get to court. In your notices, like, to the attorney general, your sheriff, whoever you decide to send your notices to, you're real clear about what a national is, you're real clear about what a Christian is, you're real clear about how to spell your name, etcetera, etcetera, and don't bother me unless you can do these things. Thank you very much. If you disagree with me, please let me know. And if you don't have anything to say, I consider your silence agreement, so be it.
[03:47:51] Unknown:
I agree. Notices, affidavits. It's very important to set the record, for
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sure. To add to that, I would think we need to get a coroner to, sign affidavits with us that I am standing alive in front of the coroner, not dead. I'm not sure. I have not done that. That's an important process regarding the name, I believe.
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In Terry Lee's paperwork, he has some of that. He's got his blood type and everything, and it's certified by the court. Oh. Just to that break, I would go into a court to certify anything. Personally, I think that's wrong. I think we should have nothing to do with them. Absolutely nothing. We giving that we're giving them their power by doing so.
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A fingerprint would be enough of a affidavit, not blood, on your affidavit stating you're a living man. What about the coroner? There's a process that the coroner can state you're not dead.
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Your affidavit witness. Your declaration of your affidavit, declaration would also state with that.
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Have the coroner witness it?
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Well, you can.
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These guys In my case, our coroner is in my case, in our county, the coroner is my doctor also.
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I'm just gonna tell him in my affidavit that I'm, a Genesis 27. That's it.
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And
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as
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a
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Christian.
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Rochelle, why don't you, on your next doctor's appointment, ask the coroner how you would go about that procedure, what the procedure would be. I'm thinking a coroner's inquest, but I don't know. A yield. Yeah. Well, they weigh the body.
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They measure it. They they attest to the heartbeat being absent. So a basic physical would do it, I think. Interesting.
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Make my own up with him. Well, I think you have a unique opportunity since your doctor is the coroner to ask him, and that would be great.
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We'd like to hear that.
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I don't know if I'd want a doctor who's a coroner. I don't think I'd want any doctor at all.
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He's a private physician that ran for coroner to protect the rights of the people.
[03:50:57] Unknown:
Okay. Well, he would probably understand what you're talking about then. That's pretty good. Good point. I have to pay him a 125
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every time I visit him.
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Maybe you could do it by letter. Just curious. Well,
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I think I should warn him ahead of time. We're friends. Like, I don't know. I I have to think about that, but I'm wanting to do that as a part of my affidavit of, citizenship as a national.
[03:51:29] Unknown:
Well, what I I would suggest is that, you go to him as in his capacity as a coroner when you don't have to pay his private doctor fee. I yield.
[03:51:41] Unknown:
Oh, interesting. Show up as a body. And I happen to be alive, and he has to do an inquest. There was an there's an error been made.
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Show up with a call, Toronto.
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Yes. Have him do an affidavit on your behalf, basically, stating that that you were present, you were alive, and and doing well. Just have him do a report, basically, under oath as an affidavit
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Interesting. At the public service. He's never done he's never done that before. I'm sure.
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He could be his first.
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Yes. So I'll wanna educate him along with myself. That's very interesting. Mhmm.
[03:52:33] Unknown:
Well, start with the question. What's the process? And,
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I had What's, what's the coroner's process of to establish life or death? Yes. Yes? Uh-huh. There's a a paperwork template already in his office files, I'm sure.
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I would agree. All this has been streamlined. I yield. Mhmm.
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There's a common law process as a retired nurse to establish life or death also before you call. If you can't get a doctor to pronounce death and you'd wanna stop, you just you and you stop resuscitation measures. There is a process, common sense process. I better hurry up and do it. I'm in my eighties.
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Yes. And we would appreciate, you coming back and letting us know.
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Yes. I'm gonna make an appointment Monday. It takes a month to get in to see him.
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Well, what I'm saying is you can avoid that that fee unless you have another reason to go and see him. But you wanna speak to him in his capacity as a coroner, through your friendship. So Mhmm. Because at the doctor,
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he has different obligations. That would be the first step. Yes. And the second step would be to go in and verify it as a physician, I would think. I have to physically be there.
[03:55:00] Unknown:
Right. But, all I'm trying to keep you from having to pay his private doctor pay, because your app has a public servant as the coroner. No pay is required. I yield.
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Mhmm. Different county, but I need to pay for services rendered also. Very interesting. Thank you all. I think I'm gonna listen a little longer than
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copped out. Me too. So you're saying he's a coroner in a a different county than where you I may yes. A neighboring county. So Oh, okay.
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And what but he as a friend would give me I can probably find out what the process is just by how you just finding out what the process is for. I can go to my local corner and ask them because I know my local corner too.
[03:55:55] Unknown:
Right. But I I would have I just have one suggestion in that regard. You better know the answers before you go and ask the coroner in your county. That's all I'm saying. Well, I wouldn't ask
[03:56:09] Unknown:
oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't ask to tell them why I'm doing it. I the reason I have, standing to go in there and literally, I'm still standing. But I went in and asked what how you get a gravesite so my family wouldn't have to pay for it. And I found out from the corner that, well, first, you have to register. You have to pay to be buried, and you have to pay to have a to be licensed to be buried, to have to get permission to be buried. Well, you can go in there and ask them about that, and then I can ask, oh, by the way, what's the process of declaring a a man or woman is dead or alive,
[03:56:54] Unknown:
living or dead? Okay. My whole point, Michelle, was you know the answer to the question before you ask the question. That's all I'm saying. That's the Johnny Cochran rule. Don't ask the question you don't already know the answer to. That's why Yeah. If you go to the probably lied to you anyway.
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Right. Yeah. So I can correct them on the spot. Indeed. You're very correct. That's always a lawyer precept. If you do have to use a lawyer, you always know the answer before you even ask them. Oh, brother. Same process. Yep. Thank you.
[03:57:33] Unknown:
You know, Lee Lee broke that same call called the, you know, the republic that doesn't exist anymore, and the the whole accumulation of that 80 some 80 pages or whatever it is is this. This is his what he calls his declaration of independence. I love it. It's really well well worded. It says, I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of the almighty creator, by my declaration of independence, solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my trust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the republic.
And all the and and all past and present political ties implied by operation of law or otherwise entrust with the democracy is hereby dissolved. I, John or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish commerce as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America, a republic. That's it. Short and sweet.
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Who wrote that?
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Lee Brost.
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Oh, that's the the author. Lee Brost, and it's called his private declaration of independence.
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He just has a declaration of independence. Yep.
[03:59:10] Unknown:
Are you are you are you familiar that the first 13 articles, they were actually articles of the bill of rights? And then Yes. They were changed to basically now commonly known as amendments.
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Well, what Prose says, is that the first ten are in law, and the rest thereafter are in equity.
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Well, 13th was was also ratified back in 18 by 18 12, And, you know, and then they buried that. And then in 65, they brought in the second, 13th, and then they called it then they changed them to amendments.
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Yeah. We don't need any more than the bill of rights. It's really all we need.
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Well, we need that we're under really.
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That was our agreement. That's our original agreement.
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Yeah. The the constitution in itself really limits the power of those that are serving in office, or they're limited in their authority of only to the powers that are granted to them by the people. And article 1 section 8 clause 17 is very clear of where they can apply any authority. It's only on federal grounds that are purchased or arsenal's military basically, post offices. But they're really the only places they have authority to regulate. They can regulate commerce. So but they try to make everything commerce through the vessel.
And but it's identity theft is what they're doing. It's human trafficking in all senses of the of the words, I guess.
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So they basically got either volunteer out of the out of the first 10 amendments or the Bill of Rights, you'd really call them that, into this 14th Amendment slavery. That's what Roger is all talking about. But the only place I disagree with Roger is that name is attached to the citizen that they gave you. And to use it is to pretty much deny your national status.
[04:01:49] Unknown:
Krausz's first name is what?
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Lee.
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Lee, Proust, p r o u s t?
[04:01:59] Unknown:
No. It's, it's b r o b s t, and the piece is called USA the Republic is the House that Nobody Lives in. Thank you. It's only about 70 pages and it it really shows you the distinction, the difference, how we got there. And if you combine that with the book of the 100, you sort of get a feel because of their pro glama in the beginning of that book, it gives you a history of the country, which really sort of sums all that up of how we got here as well. And between the 2, I find a lot of distinctions that are really quite the same. Just one's a bit more secular than the other is all.
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Is the book of the 100 referring to the biblical or is that referring to committees of correspondence and safety they used?
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It's essentially a Christian Jewell Society point of view that was prominent in the late nineties in Southern California and pretty much went countrywide for a while.
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Oh.
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That doesn't work very well.
[04:03:35] Unknown:
Yes, Bruce. Have any of y'all heard of the administrative process? Anybody out there has heard that before?
[04:03:44] Unknown:
Yeah. The what?
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Administrative
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process. Oh, yes.
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Very simple. We have it we have it last time. If you're if you're national, then you have already done the affidavit and everything, and it's 30 days, and it's cured. You know? We can do it with the court case too.
[04:04:08] Unknown:
Correct, Bruce. What we're trying to do is get the powers that are usurping their authority, our authority over them, to recognize it. That's where we're having an issue.
[04:04:21] Unknown:
I yield. Well, when when you, do your administrative process on them in 30 days, guess what they are? They're nothing. You got power right over them. They don't know what to do. You go collect your money on. They can't answer line by line administrative process in 30 days. They're done. Just like the affidavit, the international, what's what are they doing? You determine what you are with that affidavit. That's the bullet in the head for them.
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The problem is the remedy. Like in Tennessee, they they went through basically legislative administrative processes and outlawed chemtrails, but the chemtrails are still there.
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Mhmm.
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Keep it simple. And get the rest of that.
[04:05:42] Unknown:
Burks, did you hear me cite that declaration of independence by Brost?
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No. I haven't. I haven't been listening to I've been doing other things. I got a lot of guys, I'm thinking. Pretty short and sweet. It sums it up. Yeah. Okay. Well, my first, judge I got off the bench, didn't have his oath of office in the secretary of state's office in in South Carolina. And who? What year was that? I've been on the bench for 12 years, had never filed his oath of office in the secretary of state's office for 12 years. I get in his court, get on the testify to and for the jury trial, and I ask I ask him politely, I I I will I need you to leave the bitch immediately. You have not filed your that year to office.
In this and when you took it in 30 days, your oath, and you're not a dealer qualified to hear any case, but trust this one here. I need to leave me, I need you to leave the bench immediately. He said, we're not here to try me. I'm we're here to try you. I said, well, you don't have the duties. You don't have the app with your oath that you took. You're not a dealer qualified judge to hear any case. Oh, boy. So I got thrown in jail 5 days, and I got out. I was in contempt of court because I was doing it. But he dismissed the jury, and then threw me in jail for you know?
Anyway, the whole point was I won my case. He got off the bench. He'd been at, 12 years. I had people coming up to me. They didn't know me. I didn't know them. They knew who I was, though, because my picture was in the paper. You're the one that put the judge off the bench? I said, yeah. I'm the one. He said, I will shake your hand, man. I'm chumps here. We had all the control of that guy. He was amazing. You know how they are down the world.
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Anyway Every one of these cases were no good either.
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Exactly. All the way back.
[04:08:05] Unknown:
So there's a lot of people get out of jail on that one. What what year was that?
[04:08:13] Unknown:
Oh, good lord. 2000.
[04:08:18] Unknown:
Because they say now that now none of them none of them can prove they have enough. Law.
[04:08:26] Unknown:
You said A lot of lot of people are saying now none of them probably have enough.
[04:08:31] Unknown:
That's right. Yep. They're supposed to have it in their pocket.
[04:08:38] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah.
[04:08:41] Unknown:
On their person?
[04:08:44] Unknown:
Yeah. Because they're on that bench. Gotta be there.
[04:08:48] Unknown:
Absolutely. It it should be wherever they're asserting their authority. Hey, Samuel. Could I ask you to repeat what you, what you read about Burroughs' declaration of independence, so to speak. If you don't mind, I'm gonna be writing it writing it down.
[04:09:09] Unknown:
Okay. I'll
[04:09:11] Unknown:
okay. It says that Oh, hey. I'm faster type hold on, Samuel. Hold on. I'm a faster typer. Maybe I'll put it into the chat. Wow. That'd be cool. Please. Okay. Here we go. I'm ready.
[04:09:25] Unknown:
Okay. It's it's titled declaration of independence. I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of the almighty creator, by my declaration
[04:09:40] Unknown:
I don't type that fast. Hold on.
[04:09:43] Unknown:
Okay.
[04:09:44] Unknown:
By the power. Is that what you said? By the power of my almighty creator?
[04:09:52] Unknown:
I have an idea. John or Jane Doe in the name of the almighty creator.
[04:09:59] Unknown:
Okay. In the name.
[04:10:01] Unknown:
I have an idea. We're actually still streaming, but I've got about 6 minutes to take this stream down before it resets and hangs up on everybody. So why don't you just read through it, Samuel, and then anybody that wants to hear it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again can listen to the archive. And because they know it's gonna be in the last 5 minutes of the show, it's gonna be pretty easy to find now, won't it?
[04:10:35] Unknown:
Well, thank you, Paul. I appreciate that.
[04:10:38] Unknown:
And good to get And then you can type it if you want to too. So Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. The the name of it is declaration of independence, and it says, I, John or Jane Doe, in the name of the almighty creator, by my declaration of independence, solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my res entrust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the Republic. Any and all past and present political ties implied by operation of law or otherwise in trust with the democracy is hereby dissolved.
I, John, or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish Congress as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America, a republic. And then he has a notary and signature. You know all that.
[04:11:49] Unknown:
There you go. Excellent.
[04:11:51] Unknown:
And I think that's a great point to end the program. Thank you for joining us for the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, the Sabado edition, featuring special guest, Joe Lustica. Go to the matrix stocks.com. That is the matrix, d o c s dot com for this and, many other archives, links to the live radio streams, and also the free conference call links so you can actually join us live on the show. Thank you so much for being with us for this episode. Sunday, no program, but we'll be right back Monday with the first hour with John Kasarab talking about the Itera, frequency wand. The Itera Care terahertz frequency wand.
For more information on that, you could also go to iteroplanet.com, and, check that out. Check that out. Gotta love it. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm out of here. Have a great day and a fabulous rest of the weekend. Bye now. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
[04:13:03] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
Introduction and Host Welcome
Guest Introduction: Joe's Story
Joe's Encounter with Law Enforcement
Legal Challenges and Court Proceedings
Joe's Legal Strategy and Affidavit
Trademarking the Name
Courtroom Experiences and Legal Tactics
Quo Warranto and Legal Authority
Discussion on Legal Rights and Government Authority
Listener Questions and Legal Advice
Further Legal Discussions and Strategies
Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
