In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles delves into a discussion about the Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch, explaining its origins and purpose as a platform for listeners who work during the week to engage and ask questions.
The conversation shifts to a political commentary, focusing on President Trump's visit to California amidst natural disasters. Roger describes Trump's interactions with local residents and officials, highlighting his efforts to streamline federal processes and address bureaucratic challenges. The discussion touches on the complexities of insurance policies in disaster-prone areas and the political dynamics in California.
Roger also explores the intricacies of political status in the United States, particularly the distinctions between US citizens, nationals, and American Samoans. He delves into historical Supreme Court cases like Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown v. Board of Education to illustrate the evolution of political statuses and their implications. The episode includes a detailed analysis of the passport application process and the significance of the oath regarding citizenship status.
Listeners are encouraged to understand their political status and the importance of self-determination, with references to legal precedents and personal anecdotes from callers. The episode concludes with a discussion on the spiritual and philosophical aspects of identity, touching on biblical references and the concept of personal sovereignty.
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Wow. Well, we're trying with you, Alvin. You're long gone, but we're, continuing your prophetic lyrics. If possible, here we go on the Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, you were host this morning as usual, and it is the 25th January. Boy, January's clipping right along.
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Morning, Paul. Long different day today. Thank goodness. We're on, we're on an abbreviated, I'd say, a group of networks that help us. So, Paul won't have as much to to talk about today, but that's alright if you'll give them their credit that's due if you was there, mister Paul.
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Not not having much to talk about has never stopped me before, really, Rod. No. Okay. I'm glad you won. We're on Euro folk Radio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we are on Global Voice Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. While the show is live, you can catch the livestream at live.globalvoiceradio.net. And for more information on the topics discussed or to join us using free conference call, just go to the matrix docs. That's docs.com. Morning, Raj. See? That was easy.
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Yeah. A little bit abbreviated today, and we can understand why. Saturday shows are good. We started them couple of years ago, after the Biden administration moved in and things started getting bad. And, it for people that, of course, it's for answering questions is why we're here, which we're gonna do today, I hope, at least discuss it. And, for the people that did have jobs during the week and wanted to ask questions, couldn't get through, you know, to us when they're working and stuff. So we started these Saturday shows, and I'm always trying to push an envelope somewhere on this, project. And so we've been doing them ever since.
I assume people appreciate them. They seem to be a little bit different, because there are abbreviated, partners with us. And just it's Saturday, and, they just have a different tenor about them, like Thursdays. Thursdays are similar.
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So laid back. Interesting.
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Yes, sir. Pardon me?
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Kinda laid back.
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Very laid back. Kinda laid back. That brings back some brings out some good discussion and teaching opportunities, really. So, we were, gonna start today with a situation that presented itself. I don't know. A few months back, we had several shows, about 2 or 3 of them discussing it and a little bit he did. And, Abram Abram was one of the ones that brought that to us, and and he got panties in a wad and went off and wrote me an email about us not teaching truth and all this kind of stuff. And we haven't seen him since, and that's unfortunate. But, I do the best I can, folks. And this is a this one's really interesting. We'll discuss it in some depth.
And it doesn't have a bearing on what we do, really. It doesn't have an import. But it is interesting to go back and see how they've set this up, and that tells you, of course, how their minds work, which is an ugly process to be aware of. But, you know, this is a. If you don't know your enemy, you got 50% of nothing. So this morning, I didn't sleep well last night. I got up a little early, couldn't get back to sleep. And so I was messing around the apartment here. It's trash day, so I get to, you know, go and empty out the refrigerator and get all the trash out and all that kind of stuff. Took a walk early and some of those other things. So I was watching, I was watching the tail end of Owen Shroyer yesterday, Friday show.
And I watch a channel called the Ron Gibson channel. He he he's got he uploads these things, cuts out all the commercials, and, and puts them on both Rumble and, Bitshoot. And so I was watching, the full edit of Owen's show yesterday, and then it runs out. And, the Ron Gibson has been putting in, other people's podcast behind those shows either if it's just an hour or the whole full show when they end. And so it was interesting because Owen was, on the air just as, president Trump and his entourage was landing in California. And then this guy was live right after him and picked it right up. You know?
And, pretty good pretty good, description. He was from California evidently, and they had some very interesting camera shots. You know, air Apache 1 or Marine 1 or whatever the helicopter is they use, they never hardly let it fly alone. They always have other helicopters around. I don't know if that's decoys or this is just since Trump got in or I heard him commenting on it. But they had a live camera from one of the other helicopters that was in the entourage. And, it was very cool. They that you could see it flew over the damaged area and then flew out over the Pacific and came back in another area and all that kind of stuff. And then then, I think it was Newsom and and and president Trump and, the his beautiful wife, first lady, Melania.
And, so then they landed the helicopters, and it showed him getting out of that. And they, went over to they were gonna go to a meeting that was sitting and waiting for him at, I believe, fire station 69, which did not burn. They saved it. And but he had toured the areas in the Palisades area there. And, and it's so impressive, Paul. He's out there in front of these houses that are burned talking to the people that live there. And, I mean, he he wasn't just like, hey. See you later. He he spent 15, 20 minutes with him. And one of them was, I don't know from which country, but, you know, Melania speaks 6 languages. Now that's very impressive. Okay?
You you go try and learn 6 languages. Alright? But she speaks 6 languages, and one of the gals in the house, I don't know if it's a daughter or a wife or what, but was from her part of the world. And so they're sitting there speaking in a foreign language and, Melania and her, and, there was about 6 or 7 people, a couple of firemen around on each side. And and here's Trump just looking at overview and talking to everybody and walking along, and they go, they walk up towards the, fire station to get to the meeting. All the people are waiting inside, which are predominantly Democrats.
Uh-uh. And so, he goes up and the firemen were all out there in front of the fire station in front of a truck, and he wanted to go meet all of them. You know? And so he went to shook every one of them's hand individually, said something to him, patted him on the back, this and the other. There was probably 12 or 15 of them. Easy. All some a bunch of those dreaded white firemen that they're trying to get rid of. And, so then, the camera they got a couple of camera people, and they're switching around and feeding this feed to a a pool. And so, he's out there doing that, and then they presented him with a, with one of their real fire hats, whichever is always pretty heavy.
And so he thanked them and and then went back and some of the entourage went into the people that were waiting for the meeting. And and Trump went and stayed there and took individual pictures with every one of those firefighters.
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Mhmm.
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Then he got in there and this and this, meeting started, and, he was very poised. Although the room was full of these democrats that have made these horrible, horrible mistakes that cost they're saying now upwards of half a $1,000,000,000,000. That's $500,000,000,000. K? Mhmm. And, so, they're in there having the meeting, and he's it was just, the way he handled it, the way he handled himself and the what he's doing. And he's cutting all federal permits, which can sometimes take years, in some of these land things, and he's cutting or streamlining the whole process. He's got the mayor there, that recalcitrant mayor is right on the other side of Melania. Boy, what a what a juxtaposition.
Melania, that woman sitting next to each other. And, she she's cutting all the permits, and Trump's going, well, these people wanna get in and start clearing their lot. They don't wanna wait for for to stand in line to get a permit or the city to hire a contractor that may take 6 months to 2 years, car charging $25,000. They wanna get in there and start cleaning out the lot themselves tonight. And so they they just about got that straightened out. I mean, it is so impressive to see this guy in that sort of a situation and how well he maintains his calm and the questions that he so pointedly asks and, already has signed a executive where he wants 2 things out of the trip to California, voter IDs and let the water flow the way it's flowed a 1000000 years down from Canada along the West Coast. They're gonna release all that that's been pinned up, get a whole bunch of water down there to Southern California, and just snap snap to it. Now before he got out there and did all this, Paul, he stopped in North Carolina for a number of hours and visited those people who have experienced nothing but confusion, frustration, and Biden bureaucratic administrative crap.
So Trump and and and he said we brought Melania with him because she wanted to see it. She turned about it on the news and wanted to see it. And I will remind you, that the estimation of the amount of water that fell up there, I don't know if you remember it when we talked about it one day. Just in passing, I heard somebody else give the figure. I didn't come up with it or calculate it. 1.4,000,000,000,000 gallons.
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Wow.
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Fell on North Carolina. And so spent the whole day there, then flew out to California, executed this perfect situation I've been watching for the last couple hours, and I guess flew back home. He had his whole entourage with him, his attorney and all this other stuff because, like, he's got an an oval office built into Air Force 1. And he's doing business in that 3 hours they're flying and the time back. So how nice to have a real president whether you like him or not? The guy is exceptional. K? And if you don't believe me, just go watch some of these things and see how he handles himself and, with these people that have been so adversarial.
Here are the California people. Their senate or their legislature passed $50,000,000 to Trump proof California, and he's out there bending over backwards for them. No animosity, no nothing. I mean, the guy is very special. We're it's gonna be very interesting to live the next 4 years. K?
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And I was looking for people. Pardon me? It wasn't the people that that tried to Trump proof California. It wasn't the people. Trump is there for the people.
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Well, it was the people through their elected legislature, which is a bunch of damn fags and communists and marxists. So that's the one who's doing it. That's the reason the insure 60 1 one insurance company canceled 1600, policies within 6 months before the fire. Why? Because the legislature won't lower the regulations, and they had to they couldn't they literally backed out because the the regulations are allowing them to raise prices to market values and and market values of the property had been so infringed, impinged, and so strangled by the California Democratic, legislature that the insurance companies moved out.
That's why they don't have insurance.
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Actually, I think the insure okay. I'm putting my tinfoil hat on. I think the insurance company knew that something disastrous was gonna happen. Fishing another thing. Something disastrous was gonna happen. And insurance companies don't pay out claims. I don't believe that for a second. I believe they just, they just they just monetize the, the birth bond, and they pay out of that.
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Okay. You know? Well, I think it's just camp too. I hate them also. Okay? But but the cow, they couldn't keep up, and they've got a business model. I'm sure it's skewed to their side. Okay? But they've got a business model on what those premiums are as to what the risk and all the other things that are figured in there. And it was the California legislature that would not allow them to raise rates. It wasn't the new world order. It was the California legislature trying to play both sides of their Marxist dance. K? And so that's why they left, and that makes much more sense to me than 6 months ago they knew this was because they're gonna let these people rebuild in the Palisades.
I just heard it on this meeting. Well, that that's supposedly the the land they wanna take over and build a 15 minute city on and all the rest of that crap. So I don't know. I I can tell you this. The all of them left. That's their stated reason. Believe it or not, it's up to you. But Roger, I have a question. Going out. Hold on a second, Sherry. Trump is just gone. He just is an impressive guy to me. You know, I'm not a young pup. I've been around this whole world a bit, and I've been in a lot of different situations, and you see how people perform. And this guy is just an exceptional guy. He's a quality individual.
Yes. Sherry, what's your question?
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Okay. Corporations are a creation of the state. Correct? Do you think that they're creators?
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The the state gives them life. You have to apply to the state and let them look at your bad laws. Yeah. I know. I know. I'm gonna give you some money, and then they'll let you know. Do you think that our creator
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gave him a heads up on what was gonna happen? Wait. Wait. Wait. Sherry Sherry
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really appreciate it. Yeah. You are really, really super loud. Please disconnect and reconnect, and then reask your question. I'm on my phone. Oh, you're alright now, but you're over my phone. No. She's she's super loud. Just disconnect and reconnect. There's there's a problem with your line.
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Okay. Well, the Internet is any better.
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Oh, shit. I'll finish your question. I covered up my microphone.
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Is it any better?
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That was Because I think the point is very important. For sure. You're still over modulating.
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Keep breaking up. Please disconnect and come back like Paul said. We will let you ask your question again. We got about an hour and 45 minutes. K? Alright. So, yes, core a corporate corporation is a legal fiction. And, and it's also unique in the standpoint that the duties and the rights are not in the same entity. Okay? The corporation has the rights, but the board of directors backstops it on the duties because you can't throw a corporation in jail. So, they're a unique animal. They used to limit them. I believe, the Erie Railroad was built under a corporate structure, but it, it sunset in 20 years.
So I believe that's the way they used to deal with them until we got into these guys wanting to use them as alter egos, which is what's going on. Sherry, are you reconnected yet?
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I am, and I had the system call me. Is this better?
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Yes. About a thousand times.
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Okay. So, Your question was about
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your corporate use That the state
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Go ahead.
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May I restate it? That the state created the corporation.
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Yes.
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And so do you think that their creator didn't give them a heads up as to what was going to happen to where they they could pull out? Because our creator tells us. So
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I don't know about that. I just told you what the stated answer is. It may it makes sense. It may it it completes a business model. I understand it. I'd the other is out on a limb. It's
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And it gives them plausible deniability. Agreed.
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Oh, that what? They're a corporation? Okay. Yeah. Oh, well, well, yeah No. Possible deniability
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that they have good reason to pull out. Yeah. They can't afford to
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insure you because the state legislature won't allow them to assign a proper premium for the risk in the location. K? That's not too woo woo. That's just pretty straightforward business sense. But you believe what you want. Okay?
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Well, I would be curious as to what their, what's the word I'm looking for? How much money they made the year before, the year before, the year before. Well, I don't know. Sudden
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Okay. They'll go broke in 1 year. About that, then you go to your time and you go and research it, and you come back and give us an answer.
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That's fair enough, Roger. Okay. But I probably won't. I I just think that, you know, corporations are out to make money. And just as you said, the federal reserve for the first time lost money in all these years. 23.
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Mhmm.
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Mhmm. Yeah. So what about all the profits they made before?
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They give them to anything that's overage after they pay the bond holders, they give to the treasury. And for until 1920 2023, they'd always given some overage to the treasury. They don't keep it themselves. And but in 2023, enough people evidently got either so screwed by COVID or so disgusted with the system. They dropped out of paying taxes or whatever. But that year, they were not, they did not reach that threshold, and they actually lost money. Now when that, in that instance, and I don't know the answer to the question, is who come out of pocket to pay the bond holders their coupons if they didn't take enough in involuntary income tax? And those are just some of the things we'll probably never know those answers, except that once you understand how these people work, you can pretty well figure out that if there's a loss, they ain't gonna eat it.
K? You know, privatize the profits and publicize the losses. Yeah. Yeah. Who is that?
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Yeah. This is Matt. Yeah. I I just wanna add my 2¢ on this topic. To me, the real risk is based on the amount of weaponization of the weather. To me, that's the real risk. And so I with that, I yield.
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Okay. Well, I don't disagree with you. I mean, I know they mentioned several times in that meeting, and I don't know if you've seen the video of that matter or not. Matt's got a fire background, lives on the, I think out in the suburbs of San Francisco somewhere, I believe. But, yeah. A 100 miles an hour, over a 100 mile an hour winds, and I don't know how unusual that is.
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Yeah. To me, it's all to me, the weather is all controlled. It's a 100%. They you know, they control it. They've got all the patents. They control it. So if the weather is whatever they want it to be.
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Well, that's probably true. K? And, weather's coming up a bit too. But, well, regardless, I thought he's doing a good job and a very noble gesture for as ugly as the state's politicians have treated him, quite frankly. Now let's get back to what we were gonna talk about that, Julie. Julie, you with us today for so I can answer your question? I hope you are.
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Hi. Hi. Hi, everyone. Happy Saturday.
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Yep. Okay. This came up a few months ago, and we did 3 shows on it. They were it was very frustrating for me because I don't like to approach the problem like Abram was approaching it. You see, I learned a long time ago that part of the reason our whole community has been so stifled is they're trying to go in and read statutes and regulations and find out what they're dealing with. And it is so obfuscated and so hidden as we cover regularly here that unless you know what you're looking for, you're not gonna figure it out even when you stumble on it, I e birthright citizenship. You don't understand the background of that, that it it what it is, really, and that the only other system in the history of the planet that used it was the feudal system. You can't make that connection by going through statutes and regulations.
They're written intentionally to obfuscate the the villains here and to confuse you. But that's the way that Abraham was going to insist on doing it that way, and it turned into 3 oh, we just had a real, no. They're not the kind of shows I like to do. Let's put it that way. Because it wasn't real productive. It ended up being in the end, but it wasn't at the time. And if you were trying to just dial into the show and came in on one of those, you wouldn't have stuck around very long, I don't think. And those shows all dealt with what your question was Thursday as we closed the program, Julie, which is, is a US citizen and American Samoan, basically. Right?
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No. I wanted to know I got confused because one of your sheets says US citizens are property, and the other one says US Nationals slash state citizens are not. But then on page 27 of the National Citizen Handbook that Devin wrote, it says a US citizen or US national owes permanent allegiance to the United States, federal government, feudal system. So they're contradictory, and I was wanting to know what what is right because my answer is Well, that's
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a good question. It it and it doesn't matter because we can get into some depth on this. I'll cover it from a couple of different approaches or perspectives. But if you'll just use the word national, in in in, like, your affidavits and stuff, then there won't be any problem. We've never had them contradict any of them on this issue. Okay? Which is the real question is, are American Samoans US citizens? Or are nationals US citizens? Or are both? Okay? So let's start from
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go ahead. I understand that non state citizen is a, American Samoan, and they don't have citizenship right at all because they were never incorporated.
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Mhmm. Well, that's true. And because of that fact, they do owe total allegiance to the federal government because they're in their system even though they're unincorporated, the way I figure. So we've got 4 statuses in the country. You got a citizen of the United States under the 14th amendment. You got a national or a citizen of the United States of America, and then you've got a legal resident, green card holder, who's gone through all of the visa stuff and is here and issued a green card so they can work. And then you've got this wild out of where in the hell did this come from, noncitizen National, American Samoa and Swains Island.
So those are the 4 political statuses in the system. Okay? So it's gotta be one of those. Alright? So, what started this was years ago that document from the state department, and if you're new, travel.state.gov.travel.state.gov, and on the search field at the upper right, you put in certificate of non hyphen citizen nationality, certificate of non hyphen citizen nationality. There'll be a number of choices that'll come up. There are options for you. I don't think it really matters which one, but they got some that are slightly different from the other because the our attention is going to be directed to what may be the start of the second paragraph or the start of the third paragraph.
K? And I don't know. There's about 20 of them, I think, on there. Anyway, the, gist of the, certificate of noncitizen nationality, and if you were just learning and being exposed to our stuff, that noncitizen throws you because you think that means you after you go through this process, and that it doesn't. K? The American Samoa noncitizen National is someone born in American Samoa or Swain's Island. They're just those 2 now in this grouping of non incorporated territories, and you would owe complete allegiance to the federal government because you're in their territorial system. You're not under a state. You're under the feds. Even though you're not incorporated, you still owe them allegiance. K?
But your island there doesn't have any of the restrictions that would be brought on by incorporating. You still own your land in American Samoa, and who owns the most land controls the legislature there. If you go into, go to American Samoa and have an abortion, you can be convicted of murder. K? And so they've got all these old natural laws, and they call it. They even call it they have a name for it. The fa, I think, f a hyphen Samoan culture. Now about 15 years or so ago, someone sent me an email that these American Samoans had had a what's called a plebiscite.
It's when the whole country votes on something that affects all of them. And you can go look in a search engine and find this story by doing American Samoa in quotation marks and then a space and then quotation marks plebisi te, p l e b I s I t e, spelled just like it sounds. And that story will come up. And the, the the gal that oversees, from the government from the US government was down there for the It's quite interesting, because it seems that American Samoa I mean, Julie, what what agency would you think American Samoa and Swain's Island would be under?
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What agency? I mean, I guess Yeah. I mean
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yeah. There's an agency yeah. Well, no. Of an agency within the federal government. Well, I'll I I won't play pity pat with you. It's the Department of the Interior. The last place you'd freaking look. K? So it's the Department of the Interior that oversees American Samoa. And the reason I know that is that article because the gal from the Department of the Interior went down to the island, to oversee the plebiscite. Well, they see, they're kind of perplexed down there is they want the goodies, and they can't get all the goodies unless they're federal citizens and yet they can't be federal citizens at birth. They've gotta go naturalize to be a federal citizen and otherwise, if they don't, they're under limitations.
I think I mentioned before, if you're in civil service, you can't go above a certain level. If you join the military, you can't be an officer. Whatever your career is, even though and this is their bitch. Look, we're in the system, we're born here, we don't have this status and we get these things that hold us down and we think we're being discriminated against. Makes perfect sense. Okay? There's been 2 cases that have attacked this. One of them came off of this plebiscite vote, if you dig up that article, and it came through the DC circuit.
So because they're territory, they have a member of the house of representatives. They're there, but they can't vote. Okay? They can represent them, but they can't vote. So, they, take that case to the DC circuit and those courts in DC, they rule against them. They apply for certiorari. That means you ask the supreme court if they'll hear your case, and the supreme court turned them down and never issued it to them.
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And then Hey, Roger. Couple years ago yes, ma'am.
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Did you know that authority over American Samoa was initially placed with the US Navy, which oversaw the territory until 1951, and then it was transferred to the Department of Interior in 1956?
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Could have been. It was, taken into the system in 1901, and it would make perfect sense that the Navy would oversee it. Hell, it's on the exact opposite side of the damn world. They couldn't put it in a in a further opposite position in the world from us. Okay? And that's one of the reasons they did it because they can hide it like this. Alright? So, I didn't know they had come in till 50 6. I think Mariana Islands was in that same condition. That's the statement at the bottom of that certificate of noncitizen nationality when it refers to the Northern Mariana Islands. And I imagine they must have, just singled in American Samoa, and Swain's Island, which is a privately held island. It's not even a government property. It's just a privately held island, and it's very unusual. It's got a freshwater lake in the middle of it. Very unusual in Pacific Islands.
There's only 30 something people that live there, and it's a part of, one of these environmental treaties probably justified this one on preserving Pacific habitats. So it and American Samoa. And so, anyway, I'm gonna see if I can get back on track here. Go ahead. Well, you got another comment?
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Yeah. It just says on my research that American Samoans are US nationals. That's where I got confused with the Okay. Well, okay. Well,
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alright. Well, let's put that on the back burner. We'll deal with it. Okay? But I want this I want everybody in the audience to know this in background rather than just give you a statement that you probably wouldn't totally understand. Okay? And so Thank you. Anyway, that's their you're welcome. That's their bitch, is they can't get the goodies. And they have, discrimination. It appears to them, and they're probably right. They don't understand why. 2 years ago or 3, there was another case filed in Salt Lake City. A lot of American Samoans in Utah. Evidently, the Mormons have done a real good job down there, and a lot of them moved to Utah. There's a pretty big community of them in Salt Lake from what somebody has told us. And so, they, brought this suit. Well, the main lawyer was American Samoan attorney, and he had an assistant, in DC.
They filed a suit, and the first article that somebody sent me on it, he made the statement at the bottom of the article. Do you know there's 2 citizenship types of citizenship in this country? Well, that's the attorney. I said you well, I'm talking to myself. Of course. Go, yeah. I know. I'm gonna try my damn just to see if I can explain it to you. So I I literally I mentioned it the other day. I literally, took, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes. It was a bit of time and called the, US District Court in Salt Lake. Got a very nice clerk. She went back in the records and got me both of the attorneys names and both of their contact phone numbers.
And I called the American Samoan attorney. Well, of course, he didn't answer. I left him a fairly lengthy message trying to say I've got the answer to your question on what's going on because they got no idea why this situation is going on down there. K? But I wanted him to know, well, he never returned the call, and I never went any further with it. But I did say on the air as that case got settled because here's what happened. The federal judge in Salt Lake City ruled in favor of the American Samoans. And, that, yeah, they're being discriminated against here. And so within 24 hours within 24 hours, there were amicus curie briefs. They're a friend of the court briefs submitted by the federal government and the other by American Samoa.
And so I said on the air, that'll get overturned at the 10th circuit. It went to the 10th circuit. Sure enough, they overturned it. It never even hit tertiary. Okay? So that's the two efforts they've made to try and find out why they can't get the goodies. And, they still don't know, to my knowledge. So that document we looked at, certificate of noncitizen nationals. Julie, I hope you've got that up on your research thing. And if not, we can verbatim quote it from memory here. Depends on which version if you've got the second or the third paragraph, but it will start with according to the INA, comma. Now, that's the Immigration and Naturalization Act. This is one of the things Trump wrote his executive order about.
A couple of days ago was the INA on all this migration and immigration stuff. So it says, verbatim, according to the INA, comma, Paul, Paul, All. US citizens are US nationals. Now I don't know how far along you got in school, but to me, that says all everybody that's a US citizen has underneath it that other option of a national. All US citizens are US, and it says US. It It doesn't say just nationals, it says US. And then it goes on to say, but not all nationals are US citizens. That's American Samoa. So this one up here, all US citizens are US nationals has got to be the national, doesn't it?
Or am I am was my schooling really wrong? I'm looking for dialogue here. All US citizens are US nationals. Does according to the Immigration Naturalization Act, now does that specifically state that but that there's a dual political status there that he every US citizen has, but the other US nationals don't. Is that what that says or am I reading something backwards, sideways, square, or am I wrong?
[00:40:46] Unknown:
It's in 2 of them. All 3, Roger.
[00:40:49] Unknown:
Alright. Hold on. 2 of them. What, Julie?
[00:40:53] Unknown:
What title are you in again, please? Because I have a I'm not in any title. I'm in the certificate of non citizen nationality
[00:41:03] Unknown:
On the state department's website, travel dot state dot gov, search field certificate of noncitizen nationality. There's a whole bunch of options that'll come up, pick 1. That what I just covered is gonna be in the first paragraph. Oh, no. Excuse me. The second or the third. Now what did you say, Myrka? Because Myrka was in on this fiasco a couple of months ago. What what did you say?
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Reading the INA is what, Julie needs to look at. And the the the confusion there is that they're talking about United States citizens and United States nationals, but they're hiding the the national of the United States of America behind that.
[00:41:51] Unknown:
Well, I I didn't
[00:41:53] Unknown:
you know, you say that, Merica, but it says all US citizens are US nationals. It says that just point blank.
[00:42:01] Unknown:
Right. Because the US citizen can become a national of United States of America. They can remove Well, because this is this is where all this ambiguity
[00:42:11] Unknown:
and all this crap comes from. I'm just trying to lay out the basics, and then we're gonna approach it from a from a couple of different ways. Okay? But that's And I'm gonna let you figure out what the hell you think it is and what they're doing. I think they're the same thing. Okay? I think both of them are you guys. Alright? But let's get into the discussion. Okay? Let's get into the discussion. Yes, Martha?
[00:42:34] Unknown:
Yeah. The con the they do that to confuse people. They just Of course they do. You the US citizen and the US national in that statement, but not acknowledge or say the national of the United States of America Okay. Which is the definition 21 on their INA statement there also that's coming from the organic sectors at large.
[00:43:02] Unknown:
Okay. Let me just cover this the way I wanna cover it. Okay? K. I'm gonna go Roger? Look at a couple of different things here. Yes. You Roger?
[00:43:11] Unknown:
Yeah? I have the certificate of noncitizen nationality, pulled up, and now I see where it's confusing. You're as defined by the INA. That's I see where that's confusing. So can you just please repeat what you just said because I just read it?
[00:43:27] Unknown:
Okay. According to the INA, that's legislation. Constitutional, okay? According to the INA, all ALL US citizens are US nationals. Now, what I see there is that everybody that's US citizen has that separate political status that's hidden underneath them. I'm gonna go into that in a minute, and they are having dual citizenship. They've got US national and they've got US citizen. That's why they ask you in their questions. Are you a citizen of the United States? And they don't ask you or a national, do they? They just ask you the leading question. Okay?
Now, we're gonna go there in a second. So, just hold on. Alright? But you can see what it says right there, all US citizens are US nationals. To me, that says, those are all dual political status people. But only some US nationals are not US citizens. Those are American Samoans and those are the single political status people. They have to naturalize to be a US citizen.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:47] Unknown:
So I I have a an example of how even inside their system that it work. So I applied for a gun permit years ago and, it asked me if I was a US citizen. This is the online application. Right? Uh-huh. And I said no. So it said, you're a citizen of what country? And it listed out all these countries and all 50 states were on that list.
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There you go. K. So there's the dual nature of the of what we're talking about. So anyway Roger, I have a question.
[00:45:25] Unknown:
Okay. Doesn't that give credence to that you have a political choice and so they are conforming with a Vittel law of nations in that regard?
[00:45:38] Unknown:
That's exactly why they've gotta recognize what we're doing. They've got Absolutely. I agree. Don't have the choice. Okay? So that's one section. Now if you go down, what that was, Julie, I was telling you the other day and what that whole certificate is, it's not for us. It's for American Samoans. And so they they say that we used to issue these, but now the price of paper, the special kind of paper, and the ink are so exorbitantly expensive that we just suggest you go get a passport. Now if an American Samoan goes and gets a US passport, on the first visa page, there'll be a big black stamp.
This person is not a citizen of the United States. Okay? So, if you go down below the verbiage on that certificate, you're gonna find some excerpts from the INA. And the first one to look at, I think it says section 308, and it makes a very simple statement. It says a national, it doesn't say a US national, just a national, owes total allegiance to a small s state. A national owes total allegiance to a small s state. Now what that means is because part of the formula has been invoked, the allegiance side, now the state, small s, owes you title protection.
Now that's really important, and it's something that I really just stumbled on in my thinking, fairly recently within a few years. This is our teeth that we're missing. Because you see, like the allegiance owed, the protection owed is not their choice. It is an obligation. It's a duty because we give them complete allegiance under the statutes. They owe us protection. Well, who are they protecting now? Oh, oh, oh, their citizens are mainly citizen of the United States that reside in that state. So they get their protection because they get their allegiance to the federal government. The federal government protects them, doesn't it? Well, what about the old state citizen that's gone long into, not recent, existence?
Well, now all of a sudden, the state is required to give us the protection that we're owed in doing from the formula and from the statutes. But none of these guys know this. Mark and I at one some point are gonna write up a cover letter, and when you people do your estate notifications, give them some of this and some sort of a cover letter. It's not an option. It's a duty. And they're supposed to protect you now about from who? From invaders. Like, how about federal and state agencies that prey on you because you're a citizen of the United States or a resident? See, they're supposed to protect you from them, not aid them in persecuting you.
[00:49:03] Unknown:
Roger, can I share something with what you're saying? Mayor.
[00:49:07] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:49:10] Unknown:
So we we are US citizens be before we become nationals of United States of America. And what are we doing
[00:49:19] Unknown:
with the affidavit is I don't think Mark, I don't think that's right. You're both at birth.
[00:49:26] Unknown:
Right. We're we have dual citizenship. But what we're trying to do is remove the presumption of the United States federal system that they have that control over us. Yeah. That's what we're doing.
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And the fact that we admitted to it every time they ever ask us. Right. We we agreed and and signed and consented
[00:49:48] Unknown:
to participate with the United States Federal System and they they presumed that we were their subject because of that. So now what we're doing is clarifying and stating our fact with the Secretary of State in DC with our affidavit removing that presumption of us being the federal citizen federal citizen of the United States.
[00:50:14] Unknown:
And there's no doubt now. There's no wiggle room in that affidavit form.
[00:50:19] Unknown:
Right. And it's perfect, and it's, like, it just removes us completely. It takes the control off, you know, their presumed control and imposition on us, and we take our honorable responsibility back and are under the private now. So Yeah. We when we put our affidavit in, we are removing ourselves from that United States federal system. So we're not United States Corporation. We are the United States of America But the country.
[00:50:54] Unknown:
But that may be the way they're looking at us with that designation from inside.
[00:51:01] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. Let me get
[00:51:03] Unknown:
let me get through all this. They've got a lot to get through. Okay? So anyway, you go down, that that by the way, that Nationalist total allegiance to a small estate comes from the nationality act of 1940. That's in the statutes at large, and that's where they started the switch over process of naming getting rid of state citizen and identifying it as a national. That phrase was pulled out of that congressional constitutional legislation and moved over to title 8 in the INA. And that's the exact same phrase as definition a under the nationality act of 1940.
A national of total allegiance to a small estate. Yes, July? Right.
[00:51:51] Unknown:
Okay. So I see that here. It says I see that it says I I see that it says
[00:51:58] Unknown:
Wait. Can we find out where that voice is coming in the background? There's some voice in the background. I don't hear it now. It's when somebody's talking. Go again, Julie.
[00:52:11] Unknown:
Okay. This is where they're, and I now understand you where you're saying they totally mess us up with terms because it says in section 101a21, the term national means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state. However,
[00:52:26] Unknown:
it also says in section 3 40 Small s or capital s?
[00:52:31] Unknown:
Small s. But then in section 341, look what they write up here. They write a person who claims to be a national but not a citizen of the United States may apply to the Secretary of State for a certificate of non citizen national status. Right. Right. That's an American Samoa. Yes. K. So I'm trying to So they're telling you that if you owe permanent, you can apply under American Samoa, which doesn't No. No. American
[00:53:02] Unknown:
Samoa, you won't let me get through the information before y'all start asking questions. Small s state is not American Samoa. If you'll look down another couple of paragraphs they show you what the federal states are and they're all capitalized. DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, etcetera. So the small s is a state, one of the several states, not the territorial states. It's listen, you'll if you were looking for this and trying to figure this out without knowing it's the feudal system and some of this other stuff, you would never figure it out. That's why our whole community has had so little success in over 30 years.
They're going in and trying to read these statutes which are meant to confuse you and come away with conclusions. And you can't look at that this way and come up with a legitimate nature. Okay? Roger. So let me I'll never finish this. Go ahead, Larry. Listen to Roger first, and then we'll go No. That way, no. Let's listen to what Larry's gonna say. Go ahead.
[00:54:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Going back to, the dual citizenship, that's actually described in 8 United States code chapter 12 at paragraph 1401, and it says, nationals and citizens of the United States at birth. And then it goes on to say the following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth, a, a person born in United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. I actually use this as a footnote in a response that I helped draft for another student. And, I I went on to say in the footnote, emphasis at at and subject. And then I put, please note the dual citizenship status.
One is always a national at birth and presumed to be a citizen of the United States until such presumption is rebutted with the secretary of state. So there it is in the United States code, showing that we have a dual citizenship status at birth.
[00:55:21] Unknown:
Yeah. But if you didn't know what we teach you and go at it with the concept, you'd never know what they were saying right there. Okay? So anyway, let let let let me continue here. We got a bunch of ground to cover, okay? So if you look down, below the national total allegiance to a small s state, you'll see that the federal states are capitalized. And that's from the INA also. So there's your differentiation right there. Now, so Abram came on and challenged that, and I think if I remember right, he was trying to say that American Samoans are the US citizen there.
But just looking at the certificate of noncitizen nationality and that statement, that's not true at all. All US citizens are US nationals. Just what Larry just read to us out of that statute. One's at birth and the other is hang hanging behind it. And, of course, that's why they have to ask you as you get over 18, are you a citizen of the United States? They're looking for your voluntary agreement to be in a condition of voluntary servitude. That's what they're looking for. And I bet you, and there's no way to quantify this, I would bet you that just about anybody that's ever been asked those questions answered yes. If they were American citizens.
Okay? Because I remember looking at them years ago and thinking, what if I answered no? I'd almost be scared to answer no. But now I know how ridiculous that is. Okay? But this is the intimidation way that they trap you into agreeing to this thing. So now let's look at what they've done here, Julie, and what we've been taught. Talked to
[00:57:10] Unknown:
Invern said it was a US national, not a US citizen.
[00:57:15] Unknown:
Oh, oh, okay. See how I even get confused in this. Okay. Yeah. He was Anyway about the US national. No. I mean, United States about the US national and saying that that was American Samoan, if I remember right. Okay? Right. And I might not. We had we had several real, just some at times tense discussion on this. Okay? And the in the end, it doesn't make any difference at all. It's just a point of clarification and showing you how intricate they are at this level and the lengths they've gone to to hide this from you. Okay? So, the other thing you go look at is just the timeline itself.
So, they don't ask you, are you a citizen of the United States or a national? They just ask you, are you a citizen of the United States? Even in my elementary law knowledge of Perry Mason, I would go, objection, your honor. That's a leading question. Because they don't there's 2 there, and they only ask you 1. So why is that? Okay? Well, Julie, I'm not sure I'm directing this at you because this is your question. If you go back, have you studied and understand a little bit about Plessy versus Ferguson? I've I have it printed out and I have it half read, but I don't have the whole thing read. Well, that's the that's the important Supreme Court case that you'll never hear another Patriot researcher mention. I've never heard anybody else bring it up, and yet it all the whole thing turns on that. K? So Plessy, you know about the background of it? If you don't, I'll give you a quick synopsis.
It was a a very progressive group out of New Orleans. They had a newspaper. It had a good reach up the eastern seaboard. They wanted to challenge the Jim Crow laws. They went out and found Plessy to use it to challenge him. Then they I say they had to find him because Plessy was 9 tenths white and 1 tenth black. So they found Plessy. They got $3,000 in donations. They dressed him up in his Sunday best and took him to an intrastate railroad inside the state of Louisiana. It did not go to Mississippi. It did not go to Arkansas, and it did not go to Texas.
Just inside because that's Louisiana jurisdiction. K? So they bring Plessy down. They bring him to the train station and take him on. They had the photographers there from the other newspapers. They had hired, Pinkertons or somebody like that to arrest him, and they brought Plessy in and walked him into the white only railroad car. And then they arrested him. And so then it went to the lowest level court there in New Orleans. The judge ruled against them, and his name was Ferguson. And so they enjoined him in the case and went all the way to the Supreme Court. Okay. Now the thumbnail that comes back from the Supreme Court decision is separate but equal.
So this was on the Jim Crow laws. So tell me, Julie, how can black restrooms, white restrooms, black drinking fountains, white drinking fountains, railroad cars, the the restaurant rooms, all all that. How can that separate be equal?
[01:00:52] Unknown:
Well, it can't.
[01:00:54] Unknown:
Well, no. It can. It can because they both had a political status. One had rights from god and the other had new rights under the 14th amendment. They both had a political status. Doesn't have to be equal. Just has to be a political status. So when you get down to all this Jim Crow stuff, this wasn't about black and white at all. It was set up and fostered to be like that. Everybody recognized it like that because, of course, it was predominantly black slaves. But in reality, it's a difference in political statuses, isn't it? Whitey gets his law from God and gives God the duties and have full constitutional protections.
And Jim Crow has 14th amendment portion, protections and owe the duty to the federal government through the 14th amendment. And that's the other one. So it's not black and white. It's political.
[01:02:02] Unknown:
Now that was a huge obstacle. I was thinking I was thinking race here. I wasn't thinking political status.
[01:02:09] Unknown:
Well, nobody else is either. I don't think you'll find that in any of these Supreme Court cases from back then, but it was a political difference. See, there was no federal citizenship before the 14th amendment. Those people that had lived, been born, and were raised there, right on the other side of the fence from where you are, they were stateless. They had no protections or rights from anybody. They weren't a state citizen. They were born and raised in DC in the territories. They were stateless. And that was one of the opportunities that allowed them to drive this thing through it, through the loophole. Was that right there? Okay? And you can read about it in this in the slaughterhouse cases and they they say and they start the part of it there with Jim Crow. And they say, according to the recent Jim Crow decision, a black man and, could not be a citizen of the United States except by an amendment to the constitution.
And that also applied to the people who'd been born and raised in DC in the territories, because they had nobody to give them rights or any organized political structure. So they and it says in that little part right there, it says, it was in the just great discussions of the day. It was in the newspapers, in the public journals, etcetera etcetera, on this issue of citizenship, Okay? For those people. So that's the 14th amendment. That's the one they drove it through. Alright? So now we go up to the 1894 was Plessy and that decision, that's 20 7, about 25 years later. Okay? A little a little more.
And they come back and they go, nope separate but equal. In other words, they're both a legitimate political status. And so that's why Plessy has been the evil Plessy decision. If you ever hear any of these people talk about it, they'll refer to it as the eagle evil Plessy. Who wasn't evil? By the way, John Harlan wrote the descent. The great dissenter wrote the descent on Plessy. So now they've got a problem as we get into the the next century and we're put starting to put this thing together in a timeline. Now they got a problem because they've got these 2 distinct statuses.
And the Jim Crow laws were in effect well up until 1954. Okay? I mean, even during World War 1 and 2, specifically 2, they would have all black regiments and battalions and all that stuff. So Plessy was still in effect in World War 2. Alright? So they still had those two statuses, but they wanna get to the point in setting their agenda up and enslaving you where they don't have to ask you, are you a national or a citizen of the United States? Or which side of Jim Crow are you? That kind of thing. So you've got these two statuses sitting there, and they had to overturn Plessy. And they did that with Brown versus Board of Education in 1954.
Alright? And so Brown's thumbnail is equal in the classroom, equal in the society. Well, they just as easily could have said equal in the white country club, equal in the society. Because now they had equated both of those statuses somehow. Now, I say that, Julie, because I don't know in what kind of tortured legal reasoning that you could make somebody with god given rights and duties equal to somebody with man made rights and duties under the 14th amendment. And that's what they did. Yeah. Now to show you a couple other examples of the chicanery going on here, the gentleman that that case originated in Kansas, interestingly enough.
It became more on the surface of Little Rock, Arkansas and busing in the schools. And so, the guy that took the case and argued in front of the Supreme Court was the head of the NAACP, and his name was Thurgood Marshall. And after they decided in their favor on this Brown versus Board, they made him a Supreme Court justice. So first of all, there's your first kind of payoff. Now when I started thumb stumbling through this line of thinking, figuring it out one night a few years back, and I kept getting bothered by 54. 54. 54.54.
What else happened in 1954? And then it hit me. That's when the 1954 Internal Revenue Code was put into place. So this was the last obstacle for them to clear was to get these statuses equalized before they could put in the final internal revenue code, which we're still under today. And by the way, they only waited 60 days to the day. 60 days after the decision of Brown voor, 1954 internal revenue code. That in essence, if you were looking at this freemason wise, would be considered the capstone of their whole plan. K?
Now that brings up and begs a little bit of attention to show you how important the tax angle is to them. Because with the exception of the 14th amendment of the civil war, this whole thing started with the passage of the 16th amendment in April of 1913. We didn't have a Federal Reserve yet in April. They always pass. They always set this stuff up backwards just like I was explaining to you the other day. So in 1913, we had 16th amendment fraudulently ratified in April. In June or July, they fraudulently ratified the 17th amendment. That's why we've got popular election of senators today. They used to be appointed by the state legislatures, and that kept the states involved in the national government in DC.
This changed that. It was also not ratified, and it was only until December right before Christmas that they passed the Federal Reserve Act. So the first thing they did was pass the 16th amendment court quote unquote the income tax act. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Well, now let's look at both sides. What was the last thing they did? Put the 1954 internal revenue code in place. Do you see how important taxation is? Everything was bracketed in between taxation start and taxation end. That it's the weak link of this whole thing, folks. K?
Now so we've gotten to that point, Julie, where when we read we'll go to the passport in just a second here. So now we can see that to overcome Plessy, separate but equal, and make them equal, equal in the classroom, equal in the society, we had to come in here and have this Brown versus Board decision. Okay? So now, because Plessy is overturned and they're not separate anymore, doesn't that have to mean that they're equal in some respect? Yes. They're not separate anymore. They gotta be equal in some respect. Correct?
[01:10:31] Unknown:
Correct.
[01:10:32] Unknown:
Okay. Now, we're gonna move over to another piece of paper. That's the passport application, which is where I found the key to all this. K? It all came together that day when I sat down, went to the little post office in our little town, picked up a d s 11, d s 82. One was orange, one was purple, took them to the house, put my feet up on the desk, started looking at the damn orange one, and at the top of the page is the answer I've been looking for for over 15 years. That was that warning box, along with, it said at the top, Secretary of State of the United States of America.
I had been told earlier by the Secretary of State of Florida that the US Secretary of State had all final authority over all matters concerning citizenship, and he couldn't write me a letter that I was a Florida state citizen. And I my mind had filed that. And all those years later, when I saw that application, it came back. And I went, holy crap. There it is, secretary of state in charge of all matters concerning citizenship. And in those days on the printed one, at the top of the page was the warning box. They put it just as far away from the application on page 4 with the oath at the bottom as they could physically put it on that paper.
And me putting those two things together are the reason we're here today. Okay? Discussing this complex stuff. Now let's go over. Before we do that, we mentioned this the other day, Julie, and I know you're a quick understudy. Okay? And, we mentioned about the paperwork reduction act and the OMB numbers. Do you remember that discussion?
[01:12:32] Unknown:
Yeah. I remember the o OMB control number at the top of the form that you told me about.
[01:12:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, okay. Just a brief the other audience might not have heard this. I don't I can't imagine somebody not, but after Watergate, one of the positive things that happened was the was called the Paperwork Reduction Act. And in the Paperwork Reduction Act, they stated that if an agency puts out a paper that is called an information gathering request. If an agency puts out a piece of paper to the public that asks you questions, that's a public information gathering request. And they can't just do that willy nilly. They've got to take that whatever paper it is and send it over to the office of management and budget, o m b. And they send it through a very strict and stringent process to make sure that it's totally constitutional.
And when it is, they issue them an o m b number, which they can then print on the forms, and then they can ask the public questions. So it's pretty important. Okay? And that's the reason that that warning box is in the passport application. They don't tell you what you can submit documentation or affidavits for, they just tell that you can and you better not lie, and it must be pretty important because we've got that big warning in all capital letters. That's the reason that's in there because they have to tell you in that public information gathering request that you can volunteer out of their little scam. But they don't have to tell you exactly directly, like, where you might understand it, do they?
No, they don't. K. Now with all that said, on this topic, let's go over to the oath on the passport. So we know all three statuses are there, don't we, Julie? First of all, there's only 4 and if it was a resident alien, he's not a citizen of the United States, he wouldn't qualify to put in a passport application, would he? So all 3 of the other statuses have gotta be there. Would you agree with that?
[01:14:49] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:14:50] Unknown:
Okay. Now let's look at the oath. I swear under penalty of perjury, I'm a citizen of the United States or a noncitizen national, and have not since acquiring United States Citizenship, quotations, or US nationality, violated any of the action conditions listed on page so and so, unless explanatory statement is attached. And they say that in parenthesis. So why would they worry about these terms and conditions like, boinking little boys?
[01:15:53] Unknown:
Debbie Blues, Roger.
[01:15:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Because that information is at the top of the first page in the warning box. But unless you're just some just damn super genius, you'll never connect those 2.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
Hey, Roger.
[01:16:29] Unknown:
He keeps going in and out.
[01:16:31] Unknown:
You're breaking up, Roger.
[01:16:42] Unknown:
What happened to Roger? He's he's, losing his connection?
[01:16:46] Unknown:
Sounds like I don't know. Paul?
[01:16:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Where's Paul?
[01:16:55] Unknown:
Paul's not here, man. He's with Dave.
[01:16:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Paul's here. Paul's
[01:17:01] Unknown:
here, but I had to switch to a different computer to be able to talk to you. It says Roger is still connected, but he's muted muted.
[01:17:12] Unknown:
Rog? Oh, did did you tell him?
[01:17:18] Unknown:
I'm I'm not muted now. I didn't think I was before about the There you are. The hour out loud. Yeah. Have you not heard the last 30 minutes?
[01:17:28] Unknown:
We didn't hear the last 5.
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3. Touch anything. Okay?
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The last time we heard what you were saying was that Boinking Boys.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, why would they What it what it tried to drop it at?
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Why would they have this terms and conditions thing in the oath with a statement unless explanatory statement is attached when above it in the previous sentence are these 2 different, positions of political status and they don't identify crap to do with them. They tell you at the front of the document or buried in the instructions in the warning box. And they never tell you, it revert it reverses your political status. Okay? So, my question now, Julie, is with all that being said, in the oath it says, under penalty of perjury, I swear I'm a citizen of the United States or a noncitizen national.
Because that document's got an o m b number, we can pretty well guess that that's hidden there somewhere because it's got to be there. They got to give you all your options to be constitutional, their scheme. So where is it hidden? Are they hiding the national behind the citizen of the United States in the oath? Or
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Oh, there he goes again. He's gone. Maybe he needs to drop and reconnect. It could be Skype. You know, Skype's I've been getting reports from people. Skype's been acting real funky.
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No. He's now he's muted again.
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1 I didn't touch the one
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I touched nothing. I'm sitting here with my hands on my knees talking into the microphone. I touched nothing.
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Yeah. The Internet's doing weird things.
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Okay. Can I do do I need to do do I need to do this a third time for Julie? Julie, because the passport application has an o m b number, it's met all the requirements that is constitutional, all the information is there. In the oath, I swear under penalty of perjury, I'm a citizen of the United States or a noncitizen national. Which one of those 2 is national hidden behind?
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Citizen.
[01:19:57] Unknown:
Well, I think so too. K? So that's the only place it could be. Alright? Because a noncitizen national doesn't have birthright citizenship. They have to they have to go through naturalization to get it. So it couldn't be there. I think that they can call
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Okay. He's gone again. Why don't you say blanket? Why don't you say I think the I think the AI is interfering with phone calls
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now. Well, I think they have been. They're just perfecting it. Yep. And so they don't want this topic discussed.
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Yeah. Well, he's connected to us through Zoom. So,
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and Zoom is Speaking of the AI, the, I read I watched a really good video on the iPhone 16. I should, hey, Marco. Can you send me another email so I can find you quickly? I wanna send you something that you should post about the this AI that's actually, reading people's screens and things like that. Yes. Thank you. I'll I'll send you an email. It's, it's breaking me. There's no no more, point to point encryption. Oh.
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Thank you. Paul, you wanna bring me up through 7:20 next time or through FCC if it does it again? It's some kind of a Zoom presume problem, it sounds like.
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I I have no idea, but I do know that you you dropped and then reconnected. So did you do that? Or connect. No. I didn't reconnect. Oh, okay. Well, you had dropped and reconnected. Well, let's hope that that fixed it. Okay. Well, let's hope it is. Anyway, so, Julie, do you see the conundrum here
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that is taking all this time to really give a proper foundation to try and answer your question by asking you that question, which one of those 2 is the national hidden behind? And some people say it's an the it's American Samoan and I think they may use it with both. Okay? And I think that they've just done this in their continuing obfuscation to deceive and enslave. But that's kind of my personal opinion. But now you got a pretty good lay of the land, you can go in and noodle that out. I think it has to be behind the US citizen. I agree. Because that's the only way that Plessy and what went on there comes into play, and that was real important had them having to overcome Plessy v Ferguson.
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Roger, I have a question. Sherry. Okay. Good, Sherry. Okay. Well, that whatever they dictate or mandate or put forth stands. When you were speaking about, the correlation or the equating of god given rights with, civil rights. It stands until somebody states otherwise or complains about it. Correct? And that's what we're doing here.
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Well, I guess it would have to be taken up to the Supreme Court and overturned. I don't know, and I've never read the Brown decision, but I know what the statement was. And now I see it in its total picture and what they were not only trying to do, but now I understand that they had to do it. It wasn't a choice. They couldn't leave Plessy operational. They had to hide it. So for whatever that's worth. Now, like I said, it's really kind of a moot point and if you just wanna get in and and really try and master and weave down and see how these guys think and how they do stuff because all you gotta do and I I I maintain if somebody did send in an affidavit that said US National, they wouldn't they wouldn't reject it.
They wouldn't tell you you're wrong. Okay? Right. They wouldn't. But if you just wanna be on solid footing, just refer to yourself as a national. K? But that's the whole background on what they've had to go through to get it to where they could ask you that question. Are you a citizen of the United States? A leading question with national hidden underneath it as we now not only we know. We know because they're they're the ones that have told us they're correct that we're correct by not objecting. Wow. There's something weird in the background there. Somebody's house. Okay. Anybody got any questions? Tom, welcome, buddy.
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Roger. Yeah. The, when you were talking about that, is it is it just the word national? Is it US national? Is it American national? Or all of those Well, that one is.
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American national will be found in the statutes. That works. National is there. The question is, are you a US national as a state citizen national? That's the question, and I think so. But any anyway, it's really moot. It's not an answer we've got, but not a question we've got to have an answer to because we already know, the answer that works. Now, Mirka, what were you saying?
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With the US national versus national, we we remove the presumption of the United States which is the US and they're using the US National to confuse people in the INA. So for us, it's just national. And if we're removing ourselves from the federal system, the United States Corporation, why would you wanna call yourself a US national? You wanna call yourself a US I like I said, I said the the whole thing is kind of a moot discussion because if you just use national, it works just fine. K? Right. And US national, they can't they can't hold it against you, of course, because they use it on the INA definition. And, they're hiding all 3 of us in there. Okay. The US citizen national and the US national, which is the American Samoa.
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Well, the other thing is is we're not lawyers and we're not held to that high a standard because we're not attorneys. So you could always come in and shove that up their ass if they tried to give you any problems on it.
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Right. Exactly.
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Well, they're
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They just try to confuse people by saying US National on their not staying the regular national in that
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in that you all US citizens are US nationals. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna show you how they do that with noncitizen national too, but I wanna entertain Larry first. Larry?
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Okay. I think I can add some clarity to this whole discussion about the US National. So I'm gonna read you a definition, and I use this in a, in a response letter, because the passport center refused to issue a passport to a student, and I'm assisting in the matter. And,
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now is that the did they refuse to issue it, or is this just a bluff letter?
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They're saying that, well, we don't know because and I still believe in responding.
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So Is this the first is this the first paragraph? It appears by what you have submitted that you're a citizen of the United States, then it quotes the 14th amendment, and it says this cannot be waived unilaterally, blah blah blah blah blah, except by law all that, but I Well, that's a blessing. All that, but
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but they still gave 90 days to respond, and it's we're coming up upon the, the end of that time period. Okay. I'm not very easy. We responded. But, anyway, here's what I wrote. Since your passport agent refused to recognize my political status as a national, This agent is not only refusing to issue a passport card and book, but also not following the code of federal regulations. Now let me just stop there and say, one of the things that I've learned from you, Roger, over the years from listening to you is we're we are to use their own codes, regulations, and policies against them. So the CFR isn't for us to follow, but it is definitely for them to follow. So let me discuss here. Depend well, especially depending on what type of regulation it is, whether it's interpretory or statement of policy. Go ahead.
Right. Okay. So I go on. Please reference CFR title 22 at, quote, subpar a general paragraph 51.2, and then get this. It says this, passport issued to nationals only, end quote. And then I wrote, this would be me and what my political citizenship status currently is. Notice the code goes on to also include that, quote, and this is in, small a parenthesis, a passport may be issued only to a US national, end quote. Then I went on to say this would be what I used to be in terms of my former political status. Please be advised that a US national includes 2 different political statuses. These are identified by referencing the US national definition at CFR Title 22 paragraph 51.1 definitions. Now get this.
US citizen means a person who acquired US citizenship at birth or upon naturalization as provided by law and who has not subsequently lost such citizenship. And then it says this is the important part. US national means a US citizen or a US noncitizen national. It goes on to say US noncitizen national means a person on whom US nationality, but not US citizenship, has been conferred at birth under 8 United States code 1408 or under other law or treaty and who has not subsequently lost such noncitizen nationality. And then I wrote this, by way of further explanation, a noncitizen national is an American Samoan.
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So that really clarifies it for me.
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It does? Okay. Well, it confused the hell out of me. Wouldn't it be easier to say Patel's law of nation states, all men have the right of personal political self determination as echoed in the US charter or UN charter? That's a lot easier to me, it seems. And then I'd say something
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reference back in the previous paragraph. Yep. Okay.
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Well, yeah, all you need is sentences, and it rebuts it. Anyway, you you handle it however you want to. But, the second part of that would be, that it says in the 14th amendment quoted above and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, not are subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And you can rebut that whole letter with those two sentences. But you do it however you Somebody say r?
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Argh or r?
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You said r. I did. You got me excited. I saw what you're doing, Vincent.
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I got you all all fired up, didn't I? Well, look at that. Now he's almost got a voice back. But, Larry, you could do that. I just don't like using their statutes and regulations. If you wanna use them, go ahead. K? I like to do a totally different approach, and I'll tell you, in the 10 years we've been getting those bluff letters, we've never had one that was addressed where the person didn't get their documents. Never. Not one. No. I take that back. Pageant's mother, who, witty nilly, because Pageant had done this and told her about it, wanted to do it. So she sent in, some sort of a affidavit or documentation with a passport application, and they refused because she's got a South African passport for one thing, and they hate South Africa.
And, also, she didn't keep a copy of what she sent them, so there's no way to challenge their decision. Always keep a copy.
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K?
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So who else? I've got everything you signed. Well, yeah, I'd say everything. Just keep folders. Be a little bit organized about it. It's well, I guess it just determines how important you think your freedom is. It's up to you. Okay?
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Roger, I'd like to share my response. So Okay. Well, Art, I wanna hear you. Or can you talk good?
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I mean, I know you're sounding better. I hear you fine. I just don't want you to strain your voice and go back down the tube again.
[01:33:34] Unknown:
Okay. Go ahead, man. I'm close to getting this completely out of me. So I wanna share this if you can hear me okay and understand me okay. Yep. That letter that Larry was talking about, we had some students facing that same thing and and it's just like he's quoted. Right off the bat, it says thank you for your passport application. It appears from the facts of your birth and documents you submitted that you're a US citizen and entitled to a US passport in accordance with the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and such to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.
As supreme law of our land, it cannot be waived by unilateral declaration, except as otherwise provided by law. Yeah. So see it's they get you thinking, well, you can't just say you're national, but then they throw in, except as otherwise provided by law, which is what we're doing. Right? We're we're following the law. So anyway, it talks about the statutes applicable to US passports, provided you may be issued a US passport showing you are a US citizen. We are not in a position to respond to or enter into a dialogue concerning any views which disagree with the constitution or the citizenship laws of the United States as interpreted by the courts.
Therefore, please advise this office in writing if you wish a US passport to be issued to you at this time, it will show that you are a US citizen. Because we have no authority to issue a passport showing you as anything other than a US citizen, your application will be denied unless we receive response from you within 90 days. So let and I'm not gonna read you word for word on on my response letter. It's about 2 pages long. About a page and a half actually when you take away the business header. So we responded to the customer service department that we received their letter and gave the date of that letter. Now this is a husband and wife that were die denied their passports.
So they they were done so separately. We both got the same letter. So we responded saying, you know, the date that we received their letter where my recent passport renewal application was denied. The basis of the denial was from alleging I'm a US citizen and cannot unilaterally change my citizenship to that of a national, and I put in quotes in parentheses, formerly known as a state citizen. Save an enclosed copy of your letter. So, again, whenever we respond to these administrative agencies, we want to put this on a silver platter for them. I don't want them to go have to look up the letter that they sent me or the letters that I've sent them. I've got copies of them or you better have copies of them of what you sent them and proof of your mailing and receipt.
And I put that in as attachments or enclosures and I put it on a silver platter. They don't have to go look at their computer. I've got it right in front of their eyeballs. So I said I would first like to point out that your department's letter stating you're not in a position to respond to or enter into a dialogue concerning any use is a violation of my due process rights and possibly violates the Administrative Procedures Act. Section 101 a 21 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, that's not put in parentheses, I and I, defines the term national as a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.
However, section 101a22 of the INA, that term, national of the United States, includes all US citizens as well as persons who though not citizen of the United States, owe permanent allegiance to the United States. And in parentheses, I put non citizen nationals. Then I put, the date I mailed my certified mail, I mailed by certified mail a notice letter in my affidavit of citizen excuse me, in my affidavit of citizen citizenship evidence to the Secretary of State, in this case, it's Antony Blinken, see the enclosed copy. Here again, we're putting on a silver platform. Here's here's a copy of my affidavit of citizenship evidence that I sent to Blinken and proof of, mailing and receipt.
So, see the enclosed copy. In my affidavit, I clearly declared my intention and desire to be a national and not a citizen of the United States in a condition of voluntary servitude with civil rights under the scope and purview of the 14th Amendment. To date, the US Department of State has not rebutted my affidavit of citizenship evidence. Then I'm almost done. In the United States versus Cruickshank, the US Supreme Court stated, we have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several states. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others.
Additionally, 14th amendment recognizes as interpreted by the Supreme Court in US versus Anthony, and that's not exactly correct, that was a New York court, but anyway, that an individual can be a citizen of 1 of the several states without being a citizen of the United States. Similarly, in the slaughterhouse cases, the court stated that one could be a state citizen without being a United States citizen. According to, title 8 of the FAM, help me out. What what does FAM stand for again? Foreign
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something Something manual. Yeah. Internal at the state court. Foreign foreign affairs manual.
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Thank you. Foreign affairs manual 301.1. The one, jus soli, the law of the soil, a rule of common law under which the place of a person's birth determines citizenship exclusively applies to this case. However, hfam 301.1 dash 1 only addresses the term national in the United States as defined by NA INA 101a22. Excuse me. 8 USC 1101a22 and wholly fails to address the national who owed permanent allegiance to the state as defined by INA 101a21. And, the definition of national in section 101a21 together with the controlling Supreme Court precedents discussed above support the validity of my asserted status as a national.
However, it appears that review of the National Passport Center did not sufficiently account for all applicable legal authorities establishing that one can both be owe permanent allegiance to their state of birth under section 101a21 as well as search solely the standing without requiring US citizenship. Almost done. Notice. I have the right to self determine as a national defined by section 101a21 By your department claiming, I am a US citizen and I cannot voluntarily choose to be a national, it would appear to be a direct violation of the 13th Amendment against involuntary servitude, and then in parenthesis I put slavery.
Considering the above law and explanations, I request the National Passport Center to reevaluate my recent passport application and properly list my citizenship as a national. Please respond to this letter within 30 days. Failing to respond will be tasked at admission. The United States Department of State confirms my citizenship status as a national. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to email me at the address listed below. And they got the signature and put their email address.
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I'll bet they got their documents. I'll bet they got their documents. Both got their passports. Right. They didn't get a letter back though. They sent them their passports, which is the same exact result I've had from every one of those we've ever received and responded to. Yeah, Tommy. What you got?
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Sweet.
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It was it was where?
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Oh, I thought it was Tom. Larry. Go there. Yeah. I,
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Mark, that's the exact same letter that the student I'm helping received. Yes. They have 90 days, and we're coming up until the end of that 90 day period. Let me ask you something, Mark. Do you believe if you don't respond to a letter like that, that they are not that this is a reason the state department will will have to not send them a passport?
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Well, they ask you what you wanna do. You gotta let them know what you want them to do. Either you want them to send you a passport as a US citizen, which they're all prepped and ready to do, or you gotta direct them otherwise. And you got 90 days to respond.
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Yep. Exactly. I always believe in responding to them no matter what so that you have the last word.
[01:43:16] Unknown:
Some of them don't have a a request for responses tells you you don't have to respond. But with those bluff letters, it's like you're not they're not ask I mean, you're not asking them to do anything. You're asking them to file your affidavit with your application stating your fact of a national, and it's pretty simple. When you respond, thank you for confirming that you received my passport application with my affidavit, please do show that this affidavit is attached to my application stating my update as a national, which is already on file with Secretary of State.
It doesn't have to be that complicated.
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Well, this wasn't a blunt letter. Complicated, though. This is not a bluff letter. Okay. Hold on. There's a distinction. Blanca's right, but she's talking about bluff letters, like, cuckoo cuckoo, missus Robinson. That's a bluff letter. It's not responding to anything other than you mailed in an affidavit. Right? And there's Yeah. It's not affecting anything. But this is a specific letter to the individual who applied for a passport Mhmm. And they're asking for directions on how they wanna proceed. So this is totally different. Well Your your response has to be different.
But and I'm in total agreement with Merck that when it's a bluff letter, and they send you this thing out of the blue, like, we got one now. It's floating around. We talked about it earlier. The 3175 c, which is from the IRS. And they're saying your arguments are are are frivolous and blah blah blah. You need to file this tax and yada yada yada. There's nothing specific in that 4 page letter. It's a bluff letter, and I totally agree with Merca. When it's one of these baloney bluff letters, I love to stick it back in their face and say, thank you for confirming or see of my affidavit of citizenship evidence, and then you can add whatever you want. You don't have to go tit for tat all through every single
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allegation they put in there because it's not specifically directed at you. It's a bluff letter. And, Merk, you're a 100% on target with that. Mhmm. Well, you know, Mark, I've always considered oh, I've always considered the ones, like, we're talking about with that first paragraph to be bluff letters too. And quite frankly, I don't even ever think I've even read through the rest of the letter if that's the first paragraph. I just shoot them back that Vatel, and it says and subject to the jurisdiction, not our.
And never cease to get the documents. So what they're doing is they're really kind of probing to see what how much you know is what it seems to me. Exactly.
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But how long after you sent the new did they get it?
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How the 3 or 4 people wanted to talk here. Yeah. Larry, go ahead. I
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was asking, after you sent that response to them, how long afterwards did you did it take for the students to get there, the husband and wife students to get their passports?
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They they sent me books around the 1st December, and just last week, they they notified me that they got their passports.
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Okay. So it was about Usually, it's pretty quick in my experience, Larry. So what is that?
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Could be about 4 about 4 weeks.
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Okay. Probably. One of them is Perfect.
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Yep. Alright. 22
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or 3 other people wanted to talk. 1 of them is a female. Who is the female? Mirka? Is that you? Mirka. Yeah.
[01:47:09] Unknown:
Yeah. I wanted to read the, letter to you so you can hear the whole thing. It's very short. It says thank you for your recent passport application. It appears from the fax of your birth and the and the documents you submitted that you are a US citizen and entitled to a US passport. In accordance with the 14th amendment of the constitution of the United States, all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. As supreme law for for our land, it cannot be waived by unilateral declaration except as otherwise provided by law. And there's 3 little small, sections here. The statutes applicable to US passports provide that you may be issued a US passport showing you are a US citizen.
We are not in position to respond to or enter into a dialogue concerning any views which which disagree with the constitution of the citizenship laws of the United States as interpreted by the courts. Therefore, please be advised please advise there's there's 4 please advise the office in writing if you wish a password be issued to you at this time, it will show that you are a US citizen because we have no authority to issue a password showing you as a anything other than the US citizen. Your application will be denied unless we receive a response in the 90 days. So here, they're just telling you that you are a US citizen even though you already submitted a affidavit with that correction
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and update It's a bluff letter. They're trying to see what you know.
[01:49:17] Unknown:
Right. And that's what that's what I'm saying. It's like all you need to do is respond with a simple, you know, response saying thank you for confirming you got my application and my password. I disagree.
[01:49:28] Unknown:
I disagree.
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Well, let me finish, please, Mark.
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K. Go ahead. I I you would respond with that. Off.
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This is exactly the same letter that I responded to. I yield.
[01:49:41] Unknown:
All I'm saying is that you could respond with a simple, response saying that thank you for confirming my you received my pass, application and my affidavit to update my status that's already on file with secretary of state. And please do, reflect that information on my application and passport as a national. You can give them a little bit of the date data, like, what Larry quoted to make sure that they do do do their job because they're trying to tell you, I am not gonna give you a national, passport. That all you have to say is, like, well, you're violating this, and you should be cc'ing the secretary of state who is their superior on your response.
[01:50:31] Unknown:
Okay. Well, the point well, I don't have a point. Don't have a point. Please don't tell hold on, Sherry. Please don't have a debt. That everybody gets one of these because very few people get them from the amount of people that send in an application. They seem to just periodically choose someone at random and send them I don't know about the rest of the letter, but they all start with that first paragraph. Okay? And my thought was just to see what you know or you wanna look at, I wonder what an Anavon Wright student or David Strait student has to say for that. Okay? Go ahead, Sherry.
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I was just Sherry. Agree with Mark that you have to, put forward the evidence succinctly. And
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Yeah. I've never told anybody not to respond on this one. If you don't respond like it says at the bottom of the letter Right. Well, they won't send you your document. They probably I don't even know if they'd send you the money back. Okay? Hey, Roger. But I always know for 10 years plus, everybody that's ever come running to me, Roger Roger, pulling their hair out because they got a letter that says something they don't hadn't sat down and thought about and read through is all that is. What's the operative phrase except by operation of law?
[01:51:58] Unknown:
Yes. And I will just say, before you that gentleman continues, now they've changed the phrase in that letter, pursuant to law.
[01:52:12] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. It does it doesn't matter because the law the law has not changed. It's never been modified. You're just saying Correct. To try to get people to get shaken. I've helped over 20 people with this letter, and every single one of them got their passport. Okay? Yep. They got their passport within 2 weeks of getting that letter. All I did was write a letter back with a memorandum of watch with court cases citing the difference between a US citizen and a state citizen. Slaughterhouse cases, Wong Kim Clark, Susan B. Anthony Court case. These are these are vital court cases that people should be reading. But I also, in the letter, to rebut what they were saying, I called them out in the fact that they don't even finish the first sentence of the 14th amendment. Right? They just cut it off. I said, you guys not even finished this first sentence of the 14th amendment in your letter. I said, so right there, you're just being devious and deceptive.
Like, you forgot the part about, that you're, you know, citizens of the state wherein they reside. You forget about that part. You left that off very conveniently. Alright? When, you know, I said so I called them out on that. Then I told them that, you know, their definition of persons as used in the 14th Amendment means corporations. Okay? That's that's that's been adjudicated in case law too. Alright? Then the fact that they're ignoring, the national, right, only permanently to a state, their own definitions. And then I resend them the affidavit that was sent in with the passport application.
And then I sent them their own I print off the stuff from the travel dot state dot gov website talking about all US citizens or US nationals. Right? And I say, I hope that this exhibit will clear this up since this comes from your website. And one for one, everyone gets their passport within 2 weeks. So that's that's how that's solved. You just give them back their stuff, like, just like Roger says, that's all you do. Just use their stuff against them.
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Our
[01:54:10] Unknown:
Thank you, Joe. Yeah. Just a quick follow-up. If your letters are working, then congrats. Just keep doing what you're doing. Okay? It's all about the results. Right? So if whatever you're using, simple or a little bit more detailed is working, then great. Congratulations to you. I wanna follow-up with Mark who said something very important. He said, send a copy of this response letter to, secretary of state. In this case, it's currently blinking. So, unless he's already been no. He's been replaced by Marco, hadn't he? Yep. So Marco Rubio is the new Secretary of State. But That's him. He's absolutely right.
Now, I did a little something extra with that. I sent a copy to the, state US Senator. So my the the US senator and the security state and the National Passport Center, which, you know, that's the original agency we're responding to. So we responded to the national I'm sorry, guys. Just bear with me a second. I'll get it straight. So first, we just signed the national passport settlement. We copy the secretary of state's office. That's the US secretary of state in DC. And secondly, in in this instance, we also copied this the, related state US senator, one of them.
And what I did is I picked the one that was most senior. There's 2 senators every state. Right? So in this case, I just went and I researched both of them a little bit, and I felt the the I took the one that had been in office longer than the other. One. And that's it. So, anyway, that's a good point, Marco. You're right on top of it.
[01:56:05] Unknown:
I just feel that the the their superior should be, educating their agents. And I feel like, you know, maybe we should put it back on them and and have them reach out to their superior to get educated on whatever they're doing. I know it's all mischievous and being deceitful with people, with our students, but, you know, people that are putting the, passport applications at the national. And then it's not I mean, people just need to learn the information and respond. But Right.
[01:56:38] Unknown:
Well you know,
[01:56:41] Unknown:
I think that's that the secretary of state needs to educate them. And I agree. You know, notice to the agent is notice to the principal. You know?
[01:56:51] Unknown:
Yep. So I have a question. Problem. They don't want they don't wanna educate them on this.
[01:56:57] Unknown:
Right. I know. Second.
[01:56:59] Unknown:
I I I wanna take a a moment here. Keep in mind, most of these these federal agency workers have no clue about the secondary No. I can call it secondary. No. They don't know about this other status. Nope. Well, neither do you know the lawyers. Well, yeah. Example, like Gavin in California.
[01:57:22] Unknown:
Well, let me let me hold on. Tom, could you put your mute on, please? For a week or so. Can you mute, Tom? Tom, whoever is doing that. Could you mute, please?
[01:57:36] Unknown:
It's not me. I'm not I'm muted.
[01:57:38] Unknown:
Okay. It sounds like somebody got it. Okay. Go ahead, Mark. Sorry.
[01:57:43] Unknown:
So, anyway, Gavin, we ran into the same thing in in California. And, so he educated him first and just like Roger said, when he went back to an appointment in person, the clerk who was a specialist in this area said, oh, yeah. They had a big meeting after you left last time. And it included one of their attorneys. And so they put their feet down saying, you can't be anything but a US citizen. And so Gavin went back and followed up with a letter similar to what I was reading off, and, that's when he got his, passport back. But he is so educated and now that he he's got clients who fly in, and he walks them to the passport office and gets their passport immediately.
Make And they know. They they they know what he's doing. They can't fight it. And so, you know, so he's he's done a magnificent job. And I'm I'm a 100% in agreement with Merca. We need to educate somebody at the at the Department of State that this isn't some some sovereign citizen baloney, and we need to educate them. And and, oh, you know who you know who their public relations person is? It might be a good place to start. You know who the public relations person is?
[01:59:17] Unknown:
Missus Robinson? Kelly Robinson. Well, I guess it does come full circle, does it?
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Quick question.
[01:59:32] Unknown:
Yes, sir.
[01:59:34] Unknown:
Yes. This is Sketch. I looked up, the secretary's secretary of state, of the state and, you know, they have many duties, but, basically, the secretary is a notary of the public for the state. Now would that transfer to the feds that that secretary of state is basically a notary of the public for the federal government and that they're interfering with that operation of being a notary of the public?
[02:00:06] Unknown:
And listen, they're not involved.
[02:00:08] Unknown:
They're not involved. I don't know what you're saying. I'm not I'm saying I'm saying Blinken. Isn't one of his duties is to be basically a notary of the public for us in informing them?
[02:00:22] Unknown:
And and then The US Secretary of State has far more responsibilities and powers
[02:00:30] Unknown:
than many duties. I know. But one of them is basically, you know, to register as a notary of the public to make public record of what we're doing. And they're interfering with that. I yield.
[02:00:44] Unknown:
I don't know. But I know this is the state secretary of states. This That's a great question. It's okay. That's that's okay. I'm just I'm just thinking out loud. I'm just I think every state has its own secretary of state. Correct. They're the ones that do the public records as far as registering corporations. They also handle the notaries. Marco, you might be you know, might be more things that I'm not aware of. But that's pretty much what your state the secretary of state of your state is responsible.
[02:01:24] Unknown:
They they collect a bunch of fees.
[02:01:27] Unknown:
Yes. That's true. Here in the Do you mark your land of the the record.
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The land of the fee the land of the fee in the home of the slave. We were
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actually out. The, the Whistler wasn't I turned the Whistler down for the top of the hour, BOU sign off
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and forgot to turn it back up. So Yeah. We are off the air. That's okay. We'll use Sketch's dinner bell. You just need to hear Sketch's dinner bell and know it's over. Alright. Well, you're gonna be hearing it pretty quick. I have a feeling.
[02:02:01] Unknown:
Hey, Mark. Hey, Mark. Yes. Would you mind sharing? Thank you for all the information you shared. I really appreciate it. Would could you share the case that you used for the 14th amendment for the adjudication where what what case did you use showing that the person is a corporation?
[02:02:20] Unknown:
I didn't I don't think I heard that. Did you did you say Crook Shag? Yeah.
[02:02:26] Unknown:
No. That was Joe. That was Joe. What what case was that, Joe? Well, I mean, a a person go ahead.
[02:02:34] Unknown:
That's Covington and L Turnitify Cook, company versus Stanford.
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Thank you.
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Mhmm. Man, that damn thing cut out again.
[02:02:49] Unknown:
You're fine. We can hear you, Roger. It's fine.
[02:02:52] Unknown:
I think it's about I think it's about all my voice can handle right now. But good to hear you guys today. Smart. Feeling really good. I've been on there at the very beginning. Thank you, Mark. So much. You're welcome. Thank you, everyone. Hey, Roger. Hey. Before you before you leave, Roger, I'd like to tell you something. Hold on. Hold on, please. Now I lost my train of thought. Oh, I got some exciting research. It's not like ground shaking, but it will really put a nail in the the coffin when we talk about definitions. And so, it's very favorable to our our side.
And so that that's they'll be coming here shortly. I've gotta just confirm that I've confirmed what I saw and heard. And, but thank you for everybody's input, Merica and Larry and everybody.
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And,
[02:03:47] Unknown:
hopefully, we'll talk to you next time. Mark,
[02:03:50] Unknown:
one more thing. Possible to ask one last thing?
[02:03:54] Unknown:
One more thing, Mark.
[02:03:56] Unknown:
Just yeah. One last thing. Just and and it's just clerical. We're trying to figure out just some direction on where best to send our first notice to them about our passport because I think we ran into the same thing, me and, miss Jane and possibly Linda Louise too. I don't know, but I'll ask her. Where should we send it? Let's just
[02:04:17] Unknown:
Did you get a letter that did you get a letter saying that they were gonna only issue you a passport as a US citizen?
[02:04:25] Unknown:
Well, it's where. Where do we send it? Because there's many addresses online.
[02:04:30] Unknown:
Okay. Let me let me ask my question again. Did you receive a letter? No. I mean, I okay. Then I don't understand what you're asking.
[02:04:40] Unknown:
Where do we send it? Let me let me clarify that for him. I didn't I couldn't translate what he was asking as well because we already have our passports. We got them about a year ago, and we think that they might be incorrect. We're not sure. Okay. So we're trying to find out, where we would amend it, I think is what he's asking. And how can we know if it is incorrect? It it does
[02:05:07] Unknown:
There's some stuff on it. USA made over the picture.
[02:05:10] Unknown:
Did you get the did you also get the card? Yes. Did you get the passport card? There's some coding on there that will let you know how they reference your status.
[02:05:25] Unknown:
Yes. I think Linda Louise helped me with that, and I think that she said she saw something that might have been incorrect. Is there something I could Hold on. Hold on.
[02:05:39] Unknown:
This is a mindset. Bob I don't remember what state he was in. But Bob had had the same kind of question, and I think he did call up the the Department of State or maybe I don't know. I don't think it was a passport. Maybe it was a passport. Anyway, he asked him, do you have my affidavit? And they said, yes. And he goes, well, I don't care what you put on on my passport. See, folks? Yeah. Your affidavit trumps everything that they put out there. That passport don't mean nothing. It's prima facie evidence that you can't rebut.
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Right.
[02:06:24] Unknown:
And so it's your mindset. You're all worried that all these i's have to be dotted and t's have to be crossed, and that's not the case here. I got court cases that say that a passport is only prima facie evidence, and it can be challenged. Your driver's license is prima facie evidence, and it can be challenged. So you gotta know in your mind that you're national. And I don't care what any government flunky says, you're national. Now if you don't get that ingrained in your thinking,
[02:07:07] Unknown:
you're gonna be running scared the rest of your lives.
[02:07:11] Unknown:
You gotta Well, I'm having a Okay.
[02:07:15] Unknown:
I'm talking to everybody. Okay? Hold on. Somebody's coughing right in the microphone.
[02:07:19] Unknown:
Could you keep your microphone? I'm sorry. That's me.
[02:07:23] Unknown:
I was asked. Okay. Thank you, Paul. Who's the lady we're talking with? I I had to step away. I came in on the conversation. If you really wanna absolutely, you can't sleep at night until you know that's in there, you want to do what's called a privacy act request for your personal folder. And when they send it back to you, it'll be in there and then you can sleep really good at night no matter what's on that card. Okay?
[02:07:54] Unknown:
Yep. Good for your passport documents too, and that'll have your affidavit in there that you see. Don't do it for you. Hey, Roger. Because then they might close the loop if you need it.
[02:08:05] Unknown:
Personal property say that your affidavit trumps even your passport?
[02:08:12] Unknown:
Just saying. Say that.
[02:08:14] Unknown:
Your passport represents your affidavit if it's done correctly. That's why they have to That might be. And recognize
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it. K? Correct. What I'm saying. Bob Bob Put the affidavit.
[02:08:28] Unknown:
Bob had the right Sherry, let him talk. Or what.
[02:08:32] Unknown:
You don't know what Bob said. I don't care what you're for the affidavit. I yield. Yeah. Now Bob said, I don't care what you put on my app or on my passport. As long as you got my affidavit in my record, that's all that matters.
[02:08:45] Unknown:
And he's right. Yeah. He's absolutely right. And remember, this is the other thing that and I don't ma'am, I didn't get your name. But this is a really important concept that they have, conditioned us out of. And that's the fact that who you are is your decision. What settled laws you wanna live under is your decision. And if it's not, it's tyranny. If they tell you what settled laws to live under, that's tyranny. That's why this is set up the way it is to ask you the questions to get you to volunteer in. What you are is your decision, and they can't take that away without being open tyrants.
Understood. Roger. Very good. Thank you. And I and I apologize if it sound like I was yelling. That's definitely why I'm getting my voice. No. He's got this voice problem. Hell, we couldn't even hardly understand him just a couple of days ago. So I'm worried about you straining your voice right now, Mark, quite frankly. We're good. We're good. Thank you. Does it hurt? I apologize. Does it just sound like a good harsh.
[02:09:54] Unknown:
I apologize if if I came across harsh, but it's it's this attitude and mindset and everything. Yeah. Won't you grab a hold of that? You know who you are.
[02:10:05] Unknown:
You are empowered.
[02:10:07] Unknown:
Yep. Thank you, Roger. That's so important. Yep.
[02:10:10] Unknown:
Yep. It really is. That's the whole basis of everything. Okay. I heard Samuel. I think Larry's in there. There's a reverb or something coming. It was when you were talking, Mark. There's something on the back end of what you're saying. I didn't hear it echoing a little there. So I just need to I I believe it's coming from Jane Doe. Okay. Jane Doe, you might wanna hit your mute. We'll get to you. Samuel? Star 6.
[02:10:39] Unknown:
Yeah. What are the arguments
[02:10:41] Unknown:
that I press star 6 and mute yourself.
[02:10:46] Unknown:
Go ahead. Again, start.
[02:10:49] Unknown:
Yeah. One of the arguments that I would use and I think is probably the most powerful argument is being a creation of the creator and having a soul and having dominion over the earth. Being a Christian, I cannot do what I'm commanded as a citizen. The best option I have is a national, and that's what I would tell them, and that's what would be in my affidavit as well.
[02:11:23] Unknown:
Okay. Good enough.
[02:11:27] Unknown:
Yes. Who's yes, please. Yes. This is Sketch, and this is for the lady, who was asking about how you find out. The proper term is state you do in a search engines, Department of State, FOIA for personal records, and you will get all the information you need. And, also, Mark, I don't know if you're still there. Is that, letter that you read on nationalstatus.com or dot info?
[02:11:57] Unknown:
No. It's not. Okay. Was it Alright. That was a custom creation.
[02:12:02] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. It's just,
[02:12:04] Unknown:
it's so simple to to and I like it when people address this on their own with without coming and asking. That shows me you're studying and you're learning the information. It's so easy to rebut. You know? Comments. Yes. Okay. I'll I'll I'll let Linda come in here, Tom. Yes, lady Linda.
[02:12:26] Unknown:
Thank you, Tom, for yielding to me. Yes. Lady Linda Louise. Daniel, who spoke, and Lorena, who's in the background, Lorena Jane is her name, you wanted to know her name, both of those folks did not do the Rogers Sales affidavit of citizenship evidence. And when Sketch just recommended how to search at the Department of State, it's a PA, Sketch, private private act, not a FOIA Privacy act.
[02:12:53] Unknown:
That's right. Privacy
[02:12:55] Unknown:
act is what he said.
[02:12:56] Unknown:
Right. It's not FOIA. Right. He's I even have a form letter if you want.
[02:13:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. Very much. I just wanted to make the record clear because it's real easy to get confused when we mix up our words. So I just wanted to say thank you, Molly, for sharing. And, one more thing, if Joe Lustica is still listening, Julie and I could not hear the case. It was versus. There was a lot of static. If Joe could repeat that case that, supports a person is a corporation, we would both appreciate it, and I yield. Thank you.
[02:13:30] Unknown:
All corporations are per all corporations are persons. This isn't something mystical. They get rights and they owe duties. The secretary of state gives them their their person corporate personhood, but you're you're a person. A partnership is a person. Of trust is a person. So it's not exclusive to corporations. And that's what I find our community dwelling on and not understanding that everybody's a person. You gotta get your right to know your duty somewhere.
[02:14:06] Unknown:
And there's no ambiguity with that fact. Okay. We we all understand that. I just was intrigued by the case that Joe Lusticka put in his communication with Yeah. These folks that he was rebutting. That's all. I just thought that was interesting, and I just wanted to read it myself. That's all. Thank you. I I yield. No problem. No problem, dear. Roger.
[02:14:27] Unknown:
Now I'm gonna try to tell you that that
[02:14:32] Unknown:
The the 14th amendment is in opposition to God's law, and Blackstone said, if man makes a law that's opposed to God's law, it's bad law.
[02:14:46] Unknown:
Yep. Well, it's law of the city versus law of the land. Now there's a couple other people wanting to say something. We're past Showtime. You're into my my abbreviated weekend now. Yes. Who is it?
[02:14:59] Unknown:
This is Mark. Just real quick on the the privacy act request. There's a form for it. It's d as in David, s as in Sam, dash 424
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0 dash r. R.
[02:15:18] Unknown:
You'll go to the search engine and type in dsdash424dashr, altogether, no spaces. That will pull up the US Department of State request for individual access to records protected under the privacy act. They have a fill in the form PDF that you can download, type in your information, and send it to them. And it's got the instructions on it. Thank you. Very much. You're welcome.
[02:15:49] Unknown:
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Could you please read the form number one more time?
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D as in David, s as in Sam, dash 420
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dash r.
[02:16:06] Unknown:
Now if I'm not familiar, I may be wrong with this, but I'm pretty sure that form is also available on the nationalstatus.com website that Dave and Kaye run, out of Alabama. Nationalstatus.com. I think you'll find that form out there as well. They have a they have a great, what do you call it? It's an AI assistant that that will find anything that's on that website that's built into their their, program there. And so if you just go there and type it in or even you're searching and you go to the front page, again, that's nationalstatus.com.
Scroll down, you'll see a magnifying glass. It's the search option. You can click on that, type in that form letter, and it should take you right to it.
[02:16:57] Unknown:
Appreciate it so much. Thank you. You're very welcome. Comment.
[02:17:02] Unknown:
Oh, man. My experience over all these years is that they internally do things the way they're supposed to. K? I know people are very skeptical of that. I understand why. My experience is the bureaucracy internally does what they're supposed to do. Tom, hold on. Let me tell this story to these folks. You kind of touched on it, Mark, on you're the growing about Bob. Well, Dave, who's a New Yorker down there in Orlando now, was skeptical and antsy. He calls in, leaves a message, gets a nice guy that calls him back. And he goes, well, I'm just trying to see if I'm a national listed there. And the guy pulls up his profile. He He says, yep. Sure are. And he pulls up his affidavit. Evidently, they got access to it right there on the profile. And he starts reading it. And he goes, wow. This is really good.
He said, we don't have any problem filing these one page things. It's these books that people send us that get shoved to the back of the desk. And then he said something real interesting. He said, we're having so many of these lately. This is about a year ago, that they're having special classes for the employees to teach them how to process them correctly. So that eases your mind, Eddie. Now, Tom.
[02:18:31] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you very much. Hey. The, the is that Mark all caps that's got the bad voice?
[02:18:39] Unknown:
Well, it's not bad now. You should heard him last week.
[02:18:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. No. I just I I couldn't even recognize him earlier. But, anyway, well, I hope you feel better. The, the you know, this when I, when I got my passport card, I looked up that coding on under the picture, and it said the coding said that I was a dependent of someone under the age of 18. So I sent in a request to the state department, and it's been over a year now that they have not responded. They they're they're telling me that they're undermanned, and, you know, they'll get to it, you know, whenever. But I asked for Will we change my my letter?
Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, that was that was a year ago I sent it in. Over a year ago. So they they said, I said, what's my status? Do you have my affidavit? What are and what are all these codes mean? I want I want a up to date list of what all these codes on the passport card mean. I said, why do you have me listed as a dependent of someone under the age of 18? And they they just they gave me the name of the woman who was handling it. They gave me her phone number. They gave me her email. I've emailed her. I've left messages and no response. I called back to the state off department, and they said, well, we're just under managed. But, you know, that was 9 months when I called them, and said, what the heck's going on? Oh, we're understaffed. You know, we and we'll get to it when we when we can. You know? But Right. Right.
I also sent I also sent you yeah. I sent you, Paul and Mark a, a link to this Robert Gouve. I don't know if you ever heard of him. He was the one he's an attorney, and he goes through he's been going following Trump's legal battles, and he goes through. He breaks down all the cases. He'll actually bring up the lawsuits and the responses, but he just did one the other yesterday about the 14th amendment about the, you know, the ban on Anchor Babies. Birthright suits. Find very interesting. Yeah. He goes into Dred Scott. He goes into Wong King Arc, a long a long Kim arc, and he is his his opinion is that Trump's ban is constitutional.
And it's it's really interesting, the stuff he found in there. So, you know, you can just listen. You don't really have to watch anything. You can just listen to this guy. But I wonder if he would be he might be a good guy to bring this national issue to and see what he says.
[02:21:21] Unknown:
And then the final thing was you guys The more the more discussion on this, the more chances we are bumping into them on the fringes. Go ahead.
[02:21:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Then and one more thing, you guys, at the beginning, you were talking about weather and, you know, and Trump being out there in California. One of my friends, Roberts, told me that wherever Trump goes, he brings his own weather pattern, because anywhere he goes, there's, melting snowflakes and lots of ice.
[02:21:53] Unknown:
Quick comment.
[02:21:54] Unknown:
That's where he's Okay. Got I put me a minute. I got you. Okay. Good. I had to get that, Tom. Okay. Good. Good. Okay. Barry's there. There's a guy there. The the guy who was there first. Come on.
[02:22:10] Unknown:
This is Sketch, and, the term Department of State FOIA for personal records is under the Privacy Act, I yield.
[02:22:22] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:22:23] Unknown:
Alright. Well, then I'll refile under the privacy act because I did a FOIA.
[02:22:28] Unknown:
Okay. Let's let's clear this up. Part of the reason. Yeah. But FOIA is a freedom of information act
[02:22:34] Unknown:
that is for general information not specific to any person. The Privacy Act is the Privacy Act is specifically for information about you.
[02:22:49] Unknown:
Yes. And if the FOIA the Department of State FOIA for personal records is is under the privacy act, and you can search the term and there's the PDF you can get under the privacy act for the state department. That's all I just wanted to point that out.
[02:23:08] Unknown:
Wow. It's in the chat. Yeah. And and your request should serve a dual purpose so they can't ping pong it back and forth, I yield. Well, the reason the reason I did a FOIA was because I was asking for my information
[02:23:22] Unknown:
and public information. You know, what's the definition of all these, status numbers on the cards and things like that? So but if you submit one of those I'll let you know. I can let you know. Be specific as to what you're looking for. You know, that's one thing they hold on to. Absolutely. I absolutely listed each one on a separate line, each item bulleted.
[02:23:43] Unknown:
Okay. Good deal. Now does anybody else have oh, yes, sir. Go ahead.
[02:23:49] Unknown:
This is Mark. That that form Okay. The the privacy act form by the Department of State at dsdash4240dashr, that is not available on the nationalstatus.com. But if you'll just type in that form number into any search engine,
[02:24:07] Unknown:
it'll immediately find it for you. You're good to go. High yield.
[02:24:12] Unknown:
Thank you, Mark.
[02:24:14] Unknown:
Great. Great, Mark. Good to hear you sounding better, man, and I'll touch with you later. I'm getting out of here and go get some lunch. Okay? So does anybody have anything that's pressing for me? I'm gonna commence my weekend otherwise. Alright. There's the dinner bell. Go bad meats.
[02:24:34] Unknown:
Tell the gringo mayor.
[02:24:36] Unknown:
He's, wait. He said he was just gonna float through this election season, that he was not gonna run again, but he was gonna continue to assume the position. So that was his official statement at lunch on Tuesday. He's gonna assume the position. Okay.
[02:24:54] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger. Yeah. There
[02:24:57] Unknown:
you go. Alright. My apologies. Submitted
[02:25:00] Unknown:
congressman submitted something to make the a congressman submitted a, a proposal to bring Trump let Trump serve another term.
[02:25:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I heard that. I wonder if an Well, then Roosevelt assumption is worth oh, go ahead. I apologize.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
I was gonna say didn't rose wasn't Roosevelt in the 3rd term? Didn't he die in the 3rd term?
[02:25:26] Unknown:
Yeah. He was trying to But then he changed it, but now he's submitting a resolution that says anyone who didn't serve 2 consecutive terms couldn't serve a 3rd.
[02:25:38] Unknown:
Oh, now that's good language. That makes sense. Alright. I'm gonna go contemplate a nice lunch. I will see you guys and girls on Monday. Thank you, Tom. Have a great weekend, and hope your team wins. Ciao ciao.
[02:25:54] Unknown:
Take care, Roger.
[02:26:00] Unknown:
Roosevelt was elected to 4 terms. Just saying.
[02:26:11] Unknown:
And, Larry, if you're still there, somebody was asking in the chat if you could, restate the I guess it was title 8 that you mentioned in the very beginning of your talking to us?
[02:26:27] Unknown:
Yes. It's 8 United States code, chapter 12, paragraph 1401. Nationals and Citizens of the United States at Birth.
[02:26:44] Unknown:
Hey. Thank you so much. Larry. Yeah.
[02:26:47] Unknown:
Hey. That's alright. Got it. I I just have a question for everybody. It's really kind of frustrating that we have to school them in, the law. And I think the phrases we need to focus on is operation of law and pursue it to the law. And so, what is the law? Common law? The constitution? The almighty's law? Which law? Just bear with me.
[02:27:30] Unknown:
My answer to you would be, they don't tell them because they'll be doing it too. And some of them probably have.
[02:27:44] Unknown:
Fair enough. God. Thank you. God for this written on your heart.
[02:27:53] Unknown:
And, Sherry, that's kinda why I mentioned, the, public notary and, the, you know, Blinken and his minions are basically should be, by operational law, just just recording what we request, and they're interfering. And that's why I mentioned that. And I appreciate that, Scott. Yep. And, Samuel, if you you've got a price on that, Protectotherm, let me know.
[02:28:25] Unknown:
Nah. Nothing there. Price on what?
[02:28:29] Unknown:
The the paint, coating for fireproofing. It's called
[02:28:35] Unknown:
I'm gonna have to call him because he hasn't responded again. So but you know, we we talk about all these codes that man's statutes, that man makes. Why not go to the Bible, which is where it all comes from to begin with, and hit him with that? The whole reason the 14th amendment is such an abhorrent thing and is responsible basically for the slaughtering of how many babies, you know, how can we be attached to that as Christians? That's why I like this national status so much. It gives me an option not to be part of that. And nobody cites this stuff that's in the Bible, which is like Genesis 27.
I'm a sold creature created by God. I'm not a feudal slave of these bastards. Okay? Genesis, I think it's 28, gives me dominion. These are the kinds of ideas and concepts are going into my land patent. Being a national, being a Christian, having dominion, refuting that stupid name that nobody wants to believe that makes any difference? Well, plenty of evidence that it does, and, you know, I mean, we can sit on the Bible and there's not a dang thing I think they can do about it.
[02:30:10] Unknown:
Well, I think more important,
[02:30:14] Unknown:
more importantly than that is standing on, what you speak. You know, your affidavit, stating who you are is way more important. And Well, those things should be It may be. For
[02:30:35] Unknown:
for the way I look at it. You know? Well, They can assume I'm a person, but if I if I cite Genesis 27 as who I am, then they don't have an argument anymore.
[02:30:55] Unknown:
Correct. You rebut the presumption. And that's why I'm saying they can, just go on willy nilly until somebody argues or states differently. So state differently.
[02:31:13] Unknown:
If I think Genesis, I I think it's 128. That's the command to take dominion over the earth. That's in my land patent for instance. Right?
[02:31:27] Unknown:
Yeah. So Hey, Samuel. I have a question for you. Sure. I don't know if I'm still loud. Somebody told me not why. Loud. Still?
[02:31:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Still? There's certain I don't know. It there's other people too that make the phone actually crackle. And when you bring it up and they try to make adjustments, it doesn't seem to really help. It's something within, I think, just how the phone is made or something for certain people. Like, and you're one of them. So I don't know if it's really anything you can do about it except maybe get a different device. I don't know.
[02:32:11] Unknown:
Well, that takes money.
[02:32:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I know.
[02:32:17] Unknown:
Well, now I have forgotten my question to you. I yield. Quick interruption
[02:32:23] Unknown:
if if, the person is still wondering about what the numbers on the passport, mean, you can look up the term passport endorsements, and you will find that what the numbers mean and the the letters on your passport or or passport card ID.
[02:32:51] Unknown:
Yeah. And I'll just chat.
[02:32:53] Unknown:
Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[02:32:55] Unknown:
This government that we have is, you know it's like Blackstone said. I'll I can say it again. If man makes law that is opposed to god's law, which the 14th amendment certainly is, you know, it's bad law. And but we're not in that common law anymore. They've they've got us in this equity situation, which is whatever they say it is.
[02:33:26] Unknown:
No. Don't you think, Samuel, the only reason that you're in that is because you haven't complained or stated otherwise?
[02:33:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, we do accept a lot of things that we should not accept. Correct. And do not consent There's there's other warnings in the bible too that and and why I think it's important that we include these things in our affidavits and our documents is God tells us that if you forget me, I'll forget you.
[02:34:01] Unknown:
Yeah. And he also tells us, do not trust any man.
[02:34:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Well
[02:34:15] Unknown:
Well, there's something to be said for that. You're trusting that the people in the government are telling you the truth. Don't believe it.
[02:34:29] Unknown:
We saw it about getting out of Babylon here. Well, that means to me that we have as little to do with the system as we possibly can, but we are forced to be in it. Right?
[02:34:41] Unknown:
Just by physically Or are we? Oh, okay.
[02:34:47] Unknown:
So, you know, citing chapter and verse of an evil system to me just when we got to the bible to to cite this is, I don't know, it's a no brainer for me to to go there because it is the ultimate law book.
[02:35:05] Unknown:
The oldest is best, and it came before the statutes
[02:35:14] Unknown:
even at large.
[02:35:17] Unknown:
Sorry. But I have to bring this up. You you mentioned men. Can't trust men. Well
[02:35:25] Unknown:
Oh, I don't want to.
[02:35:28] Unknown:
Well, okay. But who who wrote the book? Men?
[02:35:34] Unknown:
That's my whole point. That is my whole point. That, those words are written on a piece of paper, and you can't, you can't question them because they're no longer here. But the affidavit that you write, let them question you if they so choose. That was a subject brought up last night on scriptures about in whom do you trust? Can't even trust the prophets in the Old Testament. They're mere men. And and the men who wrote those scriptures, do you trust them?
[02:36:23] Unknown:
I don't know what to say. That's a big question.
[02:36:27] Unknown:
Mhmm. Well, it goes to what you just said, Sketch.
[02:36:31] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. About
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and whom do you trust? And then it hearkens back to, he will write the scripture on your heart. Therefore, you know it comes from him. Yep. He will write his word on your heart. You don't need it from a piece of paper with ink written by men.
[02:37:00] Unknown:
Touche. I I love it. Thank you, Sherry.
[02:37:03] Unknown:
That's why often the common law is the is the law unwritten. It was just known.
[02:37:08] Unknown:
Right? Yeah.
[02:37:10] Unknown:
Thank you, Samuel.
[02:37:12] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you, Samuel. So last night, I came across, information that the the pineal gland and how to activate it is talked about in the bible, which was very interesting to me. I can put links to the chat or send them to you, Samuel, via email if you're interested. I yield.
[02:37:37] Unknown:
Did you did you know the place where, was it Jacob wrestled with, God, the name of the place.
[02:37:54] Unknown:
It it it then, it starts with a p e n, I think. Is that right?
[02:38:00] Unknown:
Pinyo. Pinyo.
[02:38:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And, the the site site came across, talk to that, Pinyo.
[02:38:13] Unknown:
Yes. It says in the bible, I have come face to face with God. I have seen God, and and the place is called Paineil.
[02:38:23] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:38:24] Unknown:
It's inside. Yeah. And we're in an and we're in an astrological alignment today.
[02:38:31] Unknown:
Well, there might be a time when science, aligned with the truth. Mhmm. Yeah. I just don't think so so much now. Now they're trying to hide it. That's interesting. If you could give me, the chapter. I'm sure it's in the old testament where a pineal is written, and you said Jacob.
[02:39:13] Unknown:
Yes. Just about I'll I'll find it for you in just a sec if nobody else can. And I'm putting 3 links in the chat that I found yes last night.
[02:39:23] Unknown:
Thank you. Another another curious thing in the bible that I've never gotten an answer to or but it sure sure is there. It it's like it's it's in Leviticus about uncleanliness. Right? One of the things that I find very curious is a woman was considered unclean 7 days after the birth of a boy, but 14 after the birth of a girl. Why would that be?
[02:40:04] Unknown:
I don't even know if I heard of that. I would say it speaks to the unclean uncleanness, on the menstrual cycle, that a girl is going to deal with that and that may be. I don't know. Separately,
[02:40:29] Unknown:
of course, but, just the birth of the genders is, I've never have it had it really explained to me. I'm just wondering if anybody else may have heard something about it.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Ask a nurse or a gynecologist.
[02:40:51] Unknown:
Well, I'm not so sure they would have the answer. True. True.
[02:40:58] Unknown:
The answer will come. It's on its way because the question has been asked.
[02:41:04] Unknown:
Fair enough.
[02:41:06] Unknown:
It's it's more of a spiritual, thing, I'm sure. Mean Not physical. Yep.
[02:41:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly. Not literal. This is why we, get confused. That's true.
[02:41:19] Unknown:
Well, I don't know. The Native Americans acknowledged the same, principles when it came to, birthing of children and how they were set apart from the camp. So, there is something to do with cleanliness, And I don't know if it harkens back to, you know, the female has, a different, genitalia that may I don't even know how to explain it. But we have folds and stuff that cause a little bit different cleaning I yield.
[02:42:18] Unknown:
Would it be estrogen?
[02:42:22] Unknown:
No. I'm talking about the folds of skin and stuff. You know? The male is pretty straightforward.
[02:42:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I know that, but I'm talking about as far as the unfriendliness, could it be more estrogen?
[02:42:39] Unknown:
Could be, Brent.
[02:42:41] Unknown:
Sure. That could be. There are 20 21, verses in the bible about the pineal gland. And can you get the chat?
[02:42:55] Unknown:
Oh, I'm not in on Okay. Alright. The conference. But if you send us to Samuel,
[02:43:01] Unknown:
maybe he'll forward that. That'd be great. You just go go go on to Yandex and search pineal gland in the Bible, and you will come up with 22 verses, different different books for, you know I mean, there's Matthew, Luke, Genesis, Ecclesiastes, and John. So there's lots
[02:43:27] Unknown:
of lots of verses mentioning the about the pineal gland. That's very interesting. Put the why do you think they put fluoride in the water across the world? Because they're calcified. Gland. Mhmm. That little gland gets first calcified out. That's your first eye.
[02:43:49] Unknown:
You know what's really interesting?
[02:43:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. It is. So The church the church and the state together have hidden these things.
[02:44:00] Unknown:
Yeah. And the churches of 501c3, which is the creation of the state. Yep. Bear in mind. Mhmm. But last night, what was brought forth on a conversation I had, And it had to do with the principle of trusting in men and the scripture. And so, all of the Old Testament was written by men. And who we have to align ourselves with, and still the New Testament is written by man. So but the example that Yahushua brought to us. So, yeah, it's still written by men, and that's why he wrote it on our hearts so we would know the difference. What comes from him?
[02:45:06] Unknown:
A sketch? Yeah. I don't wanna hear about a Khaleesi's nasty ass.
[02:45:11] Unknown:
Okay. Sounds good. It's nasty. So so, about speaking about the one eye, the eye is the this is from Matthew 6.22 through 23. The eye is the lamp of the body. So if your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light, But it is your eye but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness. So open up that one eye.
[02:45:48] Unknown:
And that's done through meditation by going within. Christ said that the kingdom of heaven is where?
[02:45:55] Unknown:
Within Where?
[02:45:57] Unknown:
Correct. So that means to close your double eyes, which can't see diddly squat. Some of us have 4 eyes, and and readers on top of those, but you close your eyes and to this world and your senses. And because God is not in the clamor of the mind of man, He's outside of that, and the Kingdom is not of this world. But so again the Church and the State have done things to separate us from our first eye or from God or the place of pineal and plug them into their craft so we could be slaves and and and support them because they don't create anything. They're just parasites Amen. Which is the
[02:46:47] Unknown:
k. Can I break in just a second, folks? Yeah. Is Merca still here? Merca? Hello? Is Merca still here? Anybody? No? No. No. She's gone? Okay. Alright. I just I tried to send her an email, and it says her mailbox is full. So hopefully anyway, I'm gonna bug out everybody. Have a good day. Thanks, for a great show, you know, Rob. I would just suggest
[02:47:17] Unknown:
reach to her out on Telegram.
[02:47:20] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. I'll I'll go over there. Thank you. You all have a good one. Have a good weekend. Bye bye.
[02:47:28] Unknown:
Bye. Okay. Back to our Roger conversation. I think what we have to focus on is operation of law and, what was the new phrase in that letter that was put forth under oh, hold on. Of course, they didn't say due process, but, those are the phrases. And, sadly, we have to educate them on what their duty bound to uphold.
[02:48:42] Unknown:
We have to educate them on what their duties actually are.
[02:48:48] Unknown:
Correct. And with the operation of law. But what was the phrase that was put forth today? Which means the same thing, but I don't know. I thought I had typed it out in a text, and now I can't find it.
[02:49:13] Unknown:
It wasn't scope and purview, was it?
[02:49:17] Unknown:
Say it again.
[02:49:19] Unknown:
Scope and purview, I don't think that's what you were
[02:49:23] Unknown:
No. It was in that letter that people were speaking about today. They didn't use the operation of law, but they used a new phrase, started with a d.
[02:49:56] Unknown:
Definition of law.
[02:49:59] Unknown:
No. It was anyway, I'll have to listen to the recording to get that phrase.
[02:50:12] Unknown:
That was gonna be my suggestion as well as looking at the transcript and every jot and tittle.
[02:50:21] Unknown:
I think it's a pretty easy thing for anybody to understand that one status allows you to obey your creator and one stator status doesn't.
[02:50:36] Unknown:
May I thank lady Linda, except for as provided by law, they changed the phrase
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to
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failed. May I have questions,
[02:50:54] Unknown:
Gatch, if he's still here on one of his comments?
[02:50:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Sure, William. I'll try.
[02:51:01] Unknown:
I'll bet. Okay. Thank you, buddy. Yeah. I've been, taking notes, but I also missed the one from Larry on the US code. But, you mentioned one about the explanation of the letters on your passport. Is there a link for that?
[02:51:21] Unknown:
Yeah. It is in the chat. Yeah. But I can say it out loud. It's called passport endorsements. Okay. My car's car's gonna start up here and and so I'm gonna have to yield for a minute. Well, yeah, I'll just try it out just a minute.
[02:51:40] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. It's it's it's
[02:51:42] Unknown:
it's fam, f a m, 5 or sorry. 8 fam 505 dot 2.2. That'll get you close enough. Just Google that.
[02:51:55] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Cool.
[02:51:58] Unknown:
8fam 505.2.
[02:52:04] Unknown:
Excellent. It also helps if you put the word endorsements in.
[02:52:11] Unknown:
Okay. Cool.
[02:52:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I'd like to check my Can you repeat that again, please?
[02:52:20] Unknown:
Sam dot 5052.2.
[02:52:24] Unknown:
The the number the number 8, f a m 505.2
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0.2.
[02:52:35] Unknown:
Thanks. No problem.
[02:52:48] Unknown:
Please don't hold.
[02:52:52] Unknown:
It's not me.
[02:53:00] Unknown:
Me neither.
[02:53:21] Unknown:
How about the whole getting on here and, shutting that off?
[02:53:25] Unknown:
The wall?
[02:53:29] Unknown:
I know he's sleeping.
[02:53:35] Unknown:
Well, can't you see who it's coming from? Y'all? Thank you.
[02:53:46] Unknown:
Nope. That was just a pause.
[02:53:54] Unknown:
Okay. Did did did the did you guys get the, password in endorsement's website?
[02:54:01] Unknown:
I I I got them pulled up, but I can't hit I can't see where the national is on here.
[02:54:09] Unknown:
1 or 9.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
I I don't see a 9 on here.
[02:54:16] Unknown:
You got it. I'll wait and scroll down. It's it's 8 fam
[02:54:21] Unknown:
505.2.
[02:54:24] Unknown:
You have to get that second point too. You don't have to type that in, but that second point 2 is the section that has the passport endorsement. I think it's on page 6 ish.
[02:54:38] Unknown:
Okay. I'm trying. I I have all the the endorsements. It says code, and it has all these codes under here. But I don't see o 9. Oh, I see o 9. I see. Thank you guys so much. Thank you very much.
[02:55:00] Unknown:
Can you download the whole foreign affairs manual?
[02:55:06] Unknown:
Could you read o 9 and what it says? Yeah. It says it says the bearer is a United States national and not a United States citizen placed in the passport book issued to a US national who is not a citizen. US National will be printed instead of USA on the front of the passport card. So the person who had USA printed before who was talking about it not being correct, I guess that means she's right. It's it needs to say US National. Prior to the creation of this endorsement in 1992, the bearer's status as a non citizen US national was indicated by circling the world word national or crossing out the word citizen in the secretary's message on the signature page of the US passport. That's interesting.
[02:56:03] Unknown:
Wait a minute. It gave you permission to alter the document. Read that again, please.
[02:56:10] Unknown:
Okay. The whole thing?
[02:56:14] Unknown:
This part gave you permission to drop out something.
[02:56:18] Unknown:
Okay. I don't know. It says it says prior to the creation of this endorsement in 1992, the bearer's status as a noncitizen US National was indicated by circling the word national or crossing out the word citizen in the secretary's message on the signature page of the US passport.
[02:56:44] Unknown:
Okay. So we cannot do that anymore, a yield.
[02:56:50] Unknown:
It sounds to me like it does not say that we can't do that anymore. It just says prior to.
[02:56:56] Unknown:
And it was noncitizen
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national. We are not that.
[02:57:05] Unknown:
Is this on your card or your your book?
[02:57:09] Unknown:
The book.
[02:57:11] Unknown:
Both?
[02:57:14] Unknown:
No. Just the book.
[02:57:16] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[02:57:18] Unknown:
But in online, they're saying you're a United States national, and I think that I mean, I just don't like the word United States before national because that means District of Columbia.
[02:57:30] Unknown:
You know what is interesting about that? And, Julie, I just may say, when it comes to executive orders, they say under the laws of the United States of America. Ain't that interesting? Mhmm.
[02:57:51] Unknown:
What I want them to know is that first and foremost, I'm a Christian. I want to have them acknowledge that, and for that reason, I'm picking national status because that gives me the best access as a Christian to how I wanna live my life.
[02:58:09] Unknown:
Under the doctrine of necessity.
[02:58:15] Unknown:
This just seems to refer to an American Samoa and not to somebody who is a state citizen in the way I'm reading it.
[02:58:30] Unknown:
I think that Her last name ain't Gaffer.
[02:58:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Hi. I'm all mentioned that I think you there was some there was something about alien alien US National or something.
[02:58:46] Unknown:
I'm I'm gonna also ask him to spell my name as a Christian in my application.
[02:59:04] Unknown:
And I just wanna mention that, I think the Copper Moon, still, outsource process. They do mark up the top right of the passport application with, I think, National or something. I forgot what it what they say to mark up there on the top right corner.
[02:59:29] Unknown:
Right. It's a box, and I can't remember Yeah. The box number that you said, 09.
[02:59:37] Unknown:
Yeah. There's a box that says an e n d number, and there's also a big huge white blank box that has nothing in it where you can write national.
[02:59:49] Unknown:
Right. And it does not say for official use only.
[02:59:56] Unknown:
Yeah. They don't want you to do that.
[02:59:59] Unknown:
Well but what I'm saying is never write in a box that says for official use only, and that box does not. Correct. So
[03:00:12] Unknown:
And I didn't write in there, so I didn't get the box where I wanted. So I'm all right to redo it and mark in that box?
[03:00:21] Unknown:
Well, I got an o an a o seven, which designates me as an ambassador. So I don't know. And is what they stipulate who I am more important than what I said, who I am? I don't think so.
[03:00:52] Unknown:
I don't I agree totally. I mean, we are who we say we are. You know? And just like, is it Terry Lee or the other Lee? Randy Lee. Randy Lee says I am who I say I am in this court case.
[03:01:16] Unknown:
And we are made in his image. So absolutely.
[03:01:33] Unknown:
In the in the book of the 100, it, it talks about, you know, land in elodeon, and for those that are trying to do that, According to the guys who wrote the book, The 100, they, they're saying that a true elodium can only come through an inheritance. And of course, you know, we have left these things long behind us but you can take that inheritance through Jesus Christ as a Christian. So, here's sort of what they say. Recall that the earth of the lords and the fullness thereof. That's Psalms 24 1. That as a Christian, we are made joint heirs with Christ. And they cite Galatians and stuff that proves that.
In god's law is the means to inherit and thus acquire true title to land in elodium. It awaits every Christian who truly seeks to act in the mode and character of 1, who by virtue of his godly inheritance has the right to be free and unencumbered use of the land inherited through Jesus Christ. So I'm gonna be working that into my, land patent documents, which I also have labeled as elodial elodium and, covenant. And covenant was picked so that the keywords in real estate law will better recognize covenant than they will land patent or Elodian. But it certainly plays right into the hand of everything I'm saying in my document that this is really a covenant with my creator.
So
[03:03:37] Unknown:
Samuel, that point really is good territory for a Supreme Court case to be bought that they took it away supposedly during the bankruptcy. And, you know, when they took all over the land and the titles of the land back then, you know, I I think you'd have a good case, but it's gonna take you 15, 20 years to get it there.
[03:04:03] Unknown:
Oh, I'm not even gonna worry about it. The case is solved. It's in the Bible. They can look up the chapters and verse. God said it, not me. Not them. They're nothing compared to my creator.
[03:04:13] Unknown:
And that's Correct. And he owns everything. Yep. That's the original trust settlement.
[03:04:24] Unknown:
Oh, I agree.
[03:04:28] Unknown:
I agree. So I really have a problem with people putting things into trust and man's law.
[03:04:37] Unknown:
Trust all our inequity. That's one thing that really concerns me for people who think this is a good place to, actually do something that's not Christian, and that's to avoid liability.
[03:04:51] Unknown:
Correct. Liable or not.
[03:04:54] Unknown:
Well, the only the only reason I brought up the Supreme Court case would be that it established as precedent for everybody in the the in the in in the good old America. I yield.
[03:05:09] Unknown:
Only if we consent to it.
[03:05:14] Unknown:
Yeah. And and and and, Sketch, why would I give more authority to the supreme court when they've overturned themselves something like 250 times when my maker has never made a mistake and never will?
[03:05:32] Unknown:
No. I agree. I I I I see both sides, but I it's like like, I I wanna free all of America. You know? That's the only reason I brought it up as a life.
[03:05:46] Unknown:
Fair enough. America's
[03:05:48] Unknown:
gonna be bigger soon.
[03:05:49] Unknown:
Yep. Yep.
[03:06:00] Unknown:
Well, the almighty wants to free us all, but not everybody's listening.
[03:06:10] Unknown:
Well, that's what's in my heart.
[03:06:20] Unknown:
Yeah. He says my yoke will be light and easy to bear versus what man has done.
[03:06:31] Unknown:
Good knowledge. Call.
[03:06:33] Unknown:
Hey, Samuel. How do you write your name in Christian? Is that all lowercase?
[03:06:44] Unknown:
Baptismal name is important. So your middle name, upper and lowercase. Yeah. But all the baptismal name for sure, I'm I'm I haven't come to my own conclusion on that. Whether I'm gonna include my surname, I probably will because it's I have so much history with writing it that way, you know, with the surnames. But not so much history with my middle name. You know, I like a dummy, I did what they told me when I filled up my first w two, right, was middle initial. And I started signing my name that way like a a robot. You know?
[03:07:26] Unknown:
How's your mom rated? How did your mother write your name?
[03:07:37] Unknown:
Sammy.
[03:07:40] Unknown:
Oh, no. I'm talking about your documentation of who you were to the world.
[03:07:48] Unknown:
Oh, in the the the certificate of live birth and stuff like that. Yeah. The the full middle name is there.
[03:07:54] Unknown:
Correct. Upper and lower case. Of course. Yes. Uh-huh. Does that correlate it shall stand. I yield.
[03:08:07] Unknown:
I was just wondering, does that correlate to what your name is on the Social Security card or your birth certificate?
[03:08:14] Unknown:
No.
[03:08:17] Unknown:
Oh, that's that that, in my opinion, is their their their their corporate or trust creation so that they can rule over you and don't have to deal with the flesh and blood person.
[03:08:33] Unknown:
So if your name is one thing on Social Security card and different on your birth certificate, what does that tell you? There's several accounts in those names then. Right?
[03:08:47] Unknown:
I would just correct you. Your Social Security card and your birth certificate are all caps. But how your mother wrote out that document is way different. The certificate of live birth are yield.
[03:09:10] Unknown:
Thanks, Sherry.
[03:09:12] Unknown:
Yeah. On on mine, it was supposed to be mom's signature, but it would actually, I think she was busy with me and, that filled it out. So he signed it.
[03:09:25] Unknown:
Your father was the signee?
[03:09:30] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:09:31] Unknown:
Informer.
[03:09:33] Unknown:
Informant. You got mine too. Interesting. Thanks, Samuel. Thank you.
[03:10:10] Unknown:
And, Joan, the answer is yes. Those are the only two links I I think I sent you.
[03:10:17] Unknown:
Thank you.
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Randy Lee says all the time that his advocate and counselor is, Jesus Christ.
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Yeah. I'm wondering in that document who they are informing. So
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Here's a a quote from the case. For the record, Randy Lee and Jesus, the Christ advocate, and wonderful counselor are using the right of visitation to exercise ministerial powers to be heard on this matter. I yield.
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Alright. Back to the informant thing. You have a right to confront your accuser. But when you're a newborn, how do you do that? And sadly enough, it's your mom.
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I'd like to respond to what Sketch just cited there that, you know, people like Stanford Judge basically says if you appear in court they have jurisdiction. The reason he went to Jesus Christ, again a higher authority as his counselor and advocate, he was trying to avoid that other appearance that would give them jurisdiction, and I think that wording is very important for that reason.
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Yep. I agree.
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Because just showing up or even saying that the name isn't your name, they consider that proof that it's your name, and that's jurisdiction.
[03:12:25] Unknown:
Yep. And, Sherry, yes. I agree. And, Sherry, I do remember a court case. It was IRS case, actually. And I think the judge said, you know, you're you're, Joe Blow and a citizen of the United States. And he goes, well, you know, when I came out of the womb, I I don't know. I have no memory of that, so I can't tell you. And, you'll have to ask my mom, but she's dead. So there you go. And the judge couldn't answer back once he said that. I yield.
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Bottom line is we have to know who we are and where we came from. I yield.
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Wow. Well, we're trying with you, Alvin. You're long gone, but we're, continuing your prophetic lyrics. If possible, here we go on the Saturday edition of the Radio Ranch. Roger Sales, you were host this morning as usual, and it is the 25th January. Boy, January's clipping right along.
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Yeah.
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Morning, Paul. Long different day today. Thank goodness. We're on, we're on an abbreviated, I'd say, a group of networks that help us. So, Paul won't have as much to to talk about today, but that's alright if you'll give them their credit that's due if you was there, mister Paul.
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Not not having much to talk about has never stopped me before, really, Rod. No. Okay. I'm glad you won. We're on Euro folk Radio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we are on Global Voice Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio.globalvoiceradio.net. While the show is live, you can catch the livestream at live.globalvoiceradio.net. And for more information on the topics discussed or to join us using free conference call, just go to the matrix docs. That's docs.com. Morning, Raj. See? That was easy.
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Yeah. A little bit abbreviated today, and we can understand why. Saturday shows are good. We started them couple of years ago, after the Biden administration moved in and things started getting bad. And, it for people that, of course, it's for answering questions is why we're here, which we're gonna do today, I hope, at least discuss it. And, for the people that did have jobs during the week and wanted to ask questions, couldn't get through, you know, to us when they're working and stuff. So we started these Saturday shows, and I'm always trying to push an envelope somewhere on this, project. And so we've been doing them ever since.
I assume people appreciate them. They seem to be a little bit different, because there are abbreviated, partners with us. And just it's Saturday, and, they just have a different tenor about them, like Thursdays. Thursdays are similar.
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So laid back. Interesting.
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Yes, sir. Pardon me?
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Kinda laid back.
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Very laid back. Kinda laid back. That brings back some brings out some good discussion and teaching opportunities, really. So, we were, gonna start today with a situation that presented itself. I don't know. A few months back, we had several shows, about 2 or 3 of them discussing it and a little bit he did. And, Abram Abram was one of the ones that brought that to us, and and he got panties in a wad and went off and wrote me an email about us not teaching truth and all this kind of stuff. And we haven't seen him since, and that's unfortunate. But, I do the best I can, folks. And this is a this one's really interesting. We'll discuss it in some depth.
And it doesn't have a bearing on what we do, really. It doesn't have an import. But it is interesting to go back and see how they've set this up, and that tells you, of course, how their minds work, which is an ugly process to be aware of. But, you know, this is a. If you don't know your enemy, you got 50% of nothing. So this morning, I didn't sleep well last night. I got up a little early, couldn't get back to sleep. And so I was messing around the apartment here. It's trash day, so I get to, you know, go and empty out the refrigerator and get all the trash out and all that kind of stuff. Took a walk early and some of those other things. So I was watching, I was watching the tail end of Owen Shroyer yesterday, Friday show.
And I watch a channel called the Ron Gibson channel. He he he's got he uploads these things, cuts out all the commercials, and, and puts them on both Rumble and, Bitshoot. And so I was watching, the full edit of Owen's show yesterday, and then it runs out. And, the Ron Gibson has been putting in, other people's podcast behind those shows either if it's just an hour or the whole full show when they end. And so it was interesting because Owen was, on the air just as, president Trump and his entourage was landing in California. And then this guy was live right after him and picked it right up. You know?
And, pretty good pretty good, description. He was from California evidently, and they had some very interesting camera shots. You know, air Apache 1 or Marine 1 or whatever the helicopter is they use, they never hardly let it fly alone. They always have other helicopters around. I don't know if that's decoys or this is just since Trump got in or I heard him commenting on it. But they had a live camera from one of the other helicopters that was in the entourage. And, it was very cool. They that you could see it flew over the damaged area and then flew out over the Pacific and came back in another area and all that kind of stuff. And then then, I think it was Newsom and and and president Trump and, the his beautiful wife, first lady, Melania.
And, so then they landed the helicopters, and it showed him getting out of that. And they, went over to they were gonna go to a meeting that was sitting and waiting for him at, I believe, fire station 69, which did not burn. They saved it. And but he had toured the areas in the Palisades area there. And, and it's so impressive, Paul. He's out there in front of these houses that are burned talking to the people that live there. And, I mean, he he wasn't just like, hey. See you later. He he spent 15, 20 minutes with him. And one of them was, I don't know from which country, but, you know, Melania speaks 6 languages. Now that's very impressive. Okay?
You you go try and learn 6 languages. Alright? But she speaks 6 languages, and one of the gals in the house, I don't know if it's a daughter or a wife or what, but was from her part of the world. And so they're sitting there speaking in a foreign language and, Melania and her, and, there was about 6 or 7 people, a couple of firemen around on each side. And and here's Trump just looking at overview and talking to everybody and walking along, and they go, they walk up towards the, fire station to get to the meeting. All the people are waiting inside, which are predominantly Democrats.
Uh-uh. And so, he goes up and the firemen were all out there in front of the fire station in front of a truck, and he wanted to go meet all of them. You know? And so he went to shook every one of them's hand individually, said something to him, patted him on the back, this and the other. There was probably 12 or 15 of them. Easy. All some a bunch of those dreaded white firemen that they're trying to get rid of. And, so then, the camera they got a couple of camera people, and they're switching around and feeding this feed to a a pool. And so, he's out there doing that, and then they presented him with a, with one of their real fire hats, whichever is always pretty heavy.
And so he thanked them and and then went back and some of the entourage went into the people that were waiting for the meeting. And and Trump went and stayed there and took individual pictures with every one of those firefighters.
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Mhmm.
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Then he got in there and this and this, meeting started, and, he was very poised. Although the room was full of these democrats that have made these horrible, horrible mistakes that cost they're saying now upwards of half a $1,000,000,000,000. That's $500,000,000,000. K? Mhmm. And, so, they're in there having the meeting, and he's it was just, the way he handled it, the way he handled himself and the what he's doing. And he's cutting all federal permits, which can sometimes take years, in some of these land things, and he's cutting or streamlining the whole process. He's got the mayor there, that recalcitrant mayor is right on the other side of Melania. Boy, what a what a juxtaposition.
Melania, that woman sitting next to each other. And, she she's cutting all the permits, and Trump's going, well, these people wanna get in and start clearing their lot. They don't wanna wait for for to stand in line to get a permit or the city to hire a contractor that may take 6 months to 2 years, car charging $25,000. They wanna get in there and start cleaning out the lot themselves tonight. And so they they just about got that straightened out. I mean, it is so impressive to see this guy in that sort of a situation and how well he maintains his calm and the questions that he so pointedly asks and, already has signed a executive where he wants 2 things out of the trip to California, voter IDs and let the water flow the way it's flowed a 1000000 years down from Canada along the West Coast. They're gonna release all that that's been pinned up, get a whole bunch of water down there to Southern California, and just snap snap to it. Now before he got out there and did all this, Paul, he stopped in North Carolina for a number of hours and visited those people who have experienced nothing but confusion, frustration, and Biden bureaucratic administrative crap.
So Trump and and and he said we brought Melania with him because she wanted to see it. She turned about it on the news and wanted to see it. And I will remind you, that the estimation of the amount of water that fell up there, I don't know if you remember it when we talked about it one day. Just in passing, I heard somebody else give the figure. I didn't come up with it or calculate it. 1.4,000,000,000,000 gallons.
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Wow.
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Fell on North Carolina. And so spent the whole day there, then flew out to California, executed this perfect situation I've been watching for the last couple hours, and I guess flew back home. He had his whole entourage with him, his attorney and all this other stuff because, like, he's got an an oval office built into Air Force 1. And he's doing business in that 3 hours they're flying and the time back. So how nice to have a real president whether you like him or not? The guy is exceptional. K? And if you don't believe me, just go watch some of these things and see how he handles himself and, with these people that have been so adversarial.
Here are the California people. Their senate or their legislature passed $50,000,000 to Trump proof California, and he's out there bending over backwards for them. No animosity, no nothing. I mean, the guy is very special. We're it's gonna be very interesting to live the next 4 years. K?
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And I was looking for people. Pardon me? It wasn't the people that that tried to Trump proof California. It wasn't the people. Trump is there for the people.
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Well, it was the people through their elected legislature, which is a bunch of damn fags and communists and marxists. So that's the one who's doing it. That's the reason the insure 60 1 one insurance company canceled 1600, policies within 6 months before the fire. Why? Because the legislature won't lower the regulations, and they had to they couldn't they literally backed out because the the regulations are allowing them to raise prices to market values and and market values of the property had been so infringed, impinged, and so strangled by the California Democratic, legislature that the insurance companies moved out.
That's why they don't have insurance.
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Actually, I think the insure okay. I'm putting my tinfoil hat on. I think the insurance company knew that something disastrous was gonna happen. Fishing another thing. Something disastrous was gonna happen. And insurance companies don't pay out claims. I don't believe that for a second. I believe they just, they just they just monetize the, the birth bond, and they pay out of that.
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Okay. You know? Well, I think it's just camp too. I hate them also. Okay? But but the cow, they couldn't keep up, and they've got a business model. I'm sure it's skewed to their side. Okay? But they've got a business model on what those premiums are as to what the risk and all the other things that are figured in there. And it was the California legislature that would not allow them to raise rates. It wasn't the new world order. It was the California legislature trying to play both sides of their Marxist dance. K? And so that's why they left, and that makes much more sense to me than 6 months ago they knew this was because they're gonna let these people rebuild in the Palisades.
I just heard it on this meeting. Well, that that's supposedly the the land they wanna take over and build a 15 minute city on and all the rest of that crap. So I don't know. I I can tell you this. The all of them left. That's their stated reason. Believe it or not, it's up to you. But Roger, I have a question. Going out. Hold on a second, Sherry. Trump is just gone. He just is an impressive guy to me. You know, I'm not a young pup. I've been around this whole world a bit, and I've been in a lot of different situations, and you see how people perform. And this guy is just an exceptional guy. He's a quality individual.
Yes. Sherry, what's your question?
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Okay. Corporations are a creation of the state. Correct? Do you think that they're creators?
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The the state gives them life. You have to apply to the state and let them look at your bad laws. Yeah. I know. I know. I'm gonna give you some money, and then they'll let you know. Do you think that our creator
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gave him a heads up on what was gonna happen? Wait. Wait. Wait. Sherry Sherry
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really appreciate it. Yeah. You are really, really super loud. Please disconnect and reconnect, and then reask your question. I'm on my phone. Oh, you're alright now, but you're over my phone. No. She's she's super loud. Just disconnect and reconnect. There's there's a problem with your line.
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Okay. Well, the Internet is any better.
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Oh, shit. I'll finish your question. I covered up my microphone.
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Is it any better?
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That was Because I think the point is very important. For sure. You're still over modulating.
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Keep breaking up. Please disconnect and come back like Paul said. We will let you ask your question again. We got about an hour and 45 minutes. K? Alright. So, yes, core a corporate corporation is a legal fiction. And, and it's also unique in the standpoint that the duties and the rights are not in the same entity. Okay? The corporation has the rights, but the board of directors backstops it on the duties because you can't throw a corporation in jail. So, they're a unique animal. They used to limit them. I believe, the Erie Railroad was built under a corporate structure, but it, it sunset in 20 years.
So I believe that's the way they used to deal with them until we got into these guys wanting to use them as alter egos, which is what's going on. Sherry, are you reconnected yet?
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I am, and I had the system call me. Is this better?
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Yes. About a thousand times.
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Okay. So, Your question was about
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your corporate use That the state
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Go ahead.
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May I restate it? That the state created the corporation.
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Yes.
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And so do you think that their creator didn't give them a heads up as to what was going to happen to where they they could pull out? Because our creator tells us. So
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I don't know about that. I just told you what the stated answer is. It may it makes sense. It may it it completes a business model. I understand it. I'd the other is out on a limb. It's
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And it gives them plausible deniability. Agreed.
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Oh, that what? They're a corporation? Okay. Yeah. Oh, well, well, yeah No. Possible deniability
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that they have good reason to pull out. Yeah. They can't afford to
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insure you because the state legislature won't allow them to assign a proper premium for the risk in the location. K? That's not too woo woo. That's just pretty straightforward business sense. But you believe what you want. Okay?
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Well, I would be curious as to what their, what's the word I'm looking for? How much money they made the year before, the year before, the year before. Well, I don't know. Sudden
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Okay. They'll go broke in 1 year. About that, then you go to your time and you go and research it, and you come back and give us an answer.
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That's fair enough, Roger. Okay. But I probably won't. I I just think that, you know, corporations are out to make money. And just as you said, the federal reserve for the first time lost money in all these years. 23.
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Mhmm.
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Mhmm. Yeah. So what about all the profits they made before?
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They give them to anything that's overage after they pay the bond holders, they give to the treasury. And for until 1920 2023, they'd always given some overage to the treasury. They don't keep it themselves. And but in 2023, enough people evidently got either so screwed by COVID or so disgusted with the system. They dropped out of paying taxes or whatever. But that year, they were not, they did not reach that threshold, and they actually lost money. Now when that, in that instance, and I don't know the answer to the question, is who come out of pocket to pay the bond holders their coupons if they didn't take enough in involuntary income tax? And those are just some of the things we'll probably never know those answers, except that once you understand how these people work, you can pretty well figure out that if there's a loss, they ain't gonna eat it.
K? You know, privatize the profits and publicize the losses. Yeah. Yeah. Who is that?
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Yeah. This is Matt. Yeah. I I just wanna add my 2¢ on this topic. To me, the real risk is based on the amount of weaponization of the weather. To me, that's the real risk. And so I with that, I yield.
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Okay. Well, I don't disagree with you. I mean, I know they mentioned several times in that meeting, and I don't know if you've seen the video of that matter or not. Matt's got a fire background, lives on the, I think out in the suburbs of San Francisco somewhere, I believe. But, yeah. A 100 miles an hour, over a 100 mile an hour winds, and I don't know how unusual that is.
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Yeah. To me, it's all to me, the weather is all controlled. It's a 100%. They you know, they control it. They've got all the patents. They control it. So if the weather is whatever they want it to be.
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Well, that's probably true. K? And, weather's coming up a bit too. But, well, regardless, I thought he's doing a good job and a very noble gesture for as ugly as the state's politicians have treated him, quite frankly. Now let's get back to what we were gonna talk about that, Julie. Julie, you with us today for so I can answer your question? I hope you are.
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Hi. Hi. Hi, everyone. Happy Saturday.
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Yep. Okay. This came up a few months ago, and we did 3 shows on it. They were it was very frustrating for me because I don't like to approach the problem like Abram was approaching it. You see, I learned a long time ago that part of the reason our whole community has been so stifled is they're trying to go in and read statutes and regulations and find out what they're dealing with. And it is so obfuscated and so hidden as we cover regularly here that unless you know what you're looking for, you're not gonna figure it out even when you stumble on it, I e birthright citizenship. You don't understand the background of that, that it it what it is, really, and that the only other system in the history of the planet that used it was the feudal system. You can't make that connection by going through statutes and regulations.
They're written intentionally to obfuscate the the villains here and to confuse you. But that's the way that Abraham was going to insist on doing it that way, and it turned into 3 oh, we just had a real, no. They're not the kind of shows I like to do. Let's put it that way. Because it wasn't real productive. It ended up being in the end, but it wasn't at the time. And if you were trying to just dial into the show and came in on one of those, you wouldn't have stuck around very long, I don't think. And those shows all dealt with what your question was Thursday as we closed the program, Julie, which is, is a US citizen and American Samoan, basically. Right?
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No. I wanted to know I got confused because one of your sheets says US citizens are property, and the other one says US Nationals slash state citizens are not. But then on page 27 of the National Citizen Handbook that Devin wrote, it says a US citizen or US national owes permanent allegiance to the United States, federal government, feudal system. So they're contradictory, and I was wanting to know what what is right because my answer is Well, that's
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a good question. It it and it doesn't matter because we can get into some depth on this. I'll cover it from a couple of different approaches or perspectives. But if you'll just use the word national, in in in, like, your affidavits and stuff, then there won't be any problem. We've never had them contradict any of them on this issue. Okay? Which is the real question is, are American Samoans US citizens? Or are nationals US citizens? Or are both? Okay? So let's start from
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go ahead. I understand that non state citizen is a, American Samoan, and they don't have citizenship right at all because they were never incorporated.
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Mhmm. Well, that's true. And because of that fact, they do owe total allegiance to the federal government because they're in their system even though they're unincorporated, the way I figure. So we've got 4 statuses in the country. You got a citizen of the United States under the 14th amendment. You got a national or a citizen of the United States of America, and then you've got a legal resident, green card holder, who's gone through all of the visa stuff and is here and issued a green card so they can work. And then you've got this wild out of where in the hell did this come from, noncitizen National, American Samoa and Swains Island.
So those are the 4 political statuses in the system. Okay? So it's gotta be one of those. Alright? So, what started this was years ago that document from the state department, and if you're new, travel.state.gov.travel.state.gov, and on the search field at the upper right, you put in certificate of non hyphen citizen nationality, certificate of non hyphen citizen nationality. There'll be a number of choices that'll come up. There are options for you. I don't think it really matters which one, but they got some that are slightly different from the other because the our attention is going to be directed to what may be the start of the second paragraph or the start of the third paragraph.
K? And I don't know. There's about 20 of them, I think, on there. Anyway, the, gist of the, certificate of noncitizen nationality, and if you were just learning and being exposed to our stuff, that noncitizen throws you because you think that means you after you go through this process, and that it doesn't. K? The American Samoa noncitizen National is someone born in American Samoa or Swain's Island. They're just those 2 now in this grouping of non incorporated territories, and you would owe complete allegiance to the federal government because you're in their territorial system. You're not under a state. You're under the feds. Even though you're not incorporated, you still owe them allegiance. K?
But your island there doesn't have any of the restrictions that would be brought on by incorporating. You still own your land in American Samoa, and who owns the most land controls the legislature there. If you go into, go to American Samoa and have an abortion, you can be convicted of murder. K? And so they've got all these old natural laws, and they call it. They even call it they have a name for it. The fa, I think, f a hyphen Samoan culture. Now about 15 years or so ago, someone sent me an email that these American Samoans had had a what's called a plebiscite.
It's when the whole country votes on something that affects all of them. And you can go look in a search engine and find this story by doing American Samoa in quotation marks and then a space and then quotation marks plebisi te, p l e b I s I t e, spelled just like it sounds. And that story will come up. And the, the the gal that oversees, from the government from the US government was down there for the It's quite interesting, because it seems that American Samoa I mean, Julie, what what agency would you think American Samoa and Swain's Island would be under?
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What agency? I mean, I guess Yeah. I mean
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yeah. There's an agency yeah. Well, no. Of an agency within the federal government. Well, I'll I I won't play pity pat with you. It's the Department of the Interior. The last place you'd freaking look. K? So it's the Department of the Interior that oversees American Samoa. And the reason I know that is that article because the gal from the Department of the Interior went down to the island, to oversee the plebiscite. Well, they see, they're kind of perplexed down there is they want the goodies, and they can't get all the goodies unless they're federal citizens and yet they can't be federal citizens at birth. They've gotta go naturalize to be a federal citizen and otherwise, if they don't, they're under limitations.
I think I mentioned before, if you're in civil service, you can't go above a certain level. If you join the military, you can't be an officer. Whatever your career is, even though and this is their bitch. Look, we're in the system, we're born here, we don't have this status and we get these things that hold us down and we think we're being discriminated against. Makes perfect sense. Okay? There's been 2 cases that have attacked this. One of them came off of this plebiscite vote, if you dig up that article, and it came through the DC circuit.
So because they're territory, they have a member of the house of representatives. They're there, but they can't vote. Okay? They can represent them, but they can't vote. So, they, take that case to the DC circuit and those courts in DC, they rule against them. They apply for certiorari. That means you ask the supreme court if they'll hear your case, and the supreme court turned them down and never issued it to them.
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And then Hey, Roger. Couple years ago yes, ma'am.
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Did you know that authority over American Samoa was initially placed with the US Navy, which oversaw the territory until 1951, and then it was transferred to the Department of Interior in 1956?
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Could have been. It was, taken into the system in 1901, and it would make perfect sense that the Navy would oversee it. Hell, it's on the exact opposite side of the damn world. They couldn't put it in a in a further opposite position in the world from us. Okay? And that's one of the reasons they did it because they can hide it like this. Alright? So, I didn't know they had come in till 50 6. I think Mariana Islands was in that same condition. That's the statement at the bottom of that certificate of noncitizen nationality when it refers to the Northern Mariana Islands. And I imagine they must have, just singled in American Samoa, and Swain's Island, which is a privately held island. It's not even a government property. It's just a privately held island, and it's very unusual. It's got a freshwater lake in the middle of it. Very unusual in Pacific Islands.
There's only 30 something people that live there, and it's a part of, one of these environmental treaties probably justified this one on preserving Pacific habitats. So it and American Samoa. And so, anyway, I'm gonna see if I can get back on track here. Go ahead. Well, you got another comment?
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Yeah. It just says on my research that American Samoans are US nationals. That's where I got confused with the Okay. Well, okay. Well,
[00:35:48] Unknown:
alright. Well, let's put that on the back burner. We'll deal with it. Okay? But I want this I want everybody in the audience to know this in background rather than just give you a statement that you probably wouldn't totally understand. Okay? And so Thank you. Anyway, that's their you're welcome. That's their bitch, is they can't get the goodies. And they have, discrimination. It appears to them, and they're probably right. They don't understand why. 2 years ago or 3, there was another case filed in Salt Lake City. A lot of American Samoans in Utah. Evidently, the Mormons have done a real good job down there, and a lot of them moved to Utah. There's a pretty big community of them in Salt Lake from what somebody has told us. And so, they, brought this suit. Well, the main lawyer was American Samoan attorney, and he had an assistant, in DC.
They filed a suit, and the first article that somebody sent me on it, he made the statement at the bottom of the article. Do you know there's 2 citizenship types of citizenship in this country? Well, that's the attorney. I said you well, I'm talking to myself. Of course. Go, yeah. I know. I'm gonna try my damn just to see if I can explain it to you. So I I literally I mentioned it the other day. I literally, took, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes. It was a bit of time and called the, US District Court in Salt Lake. Got a very nice clerk. She went back in the records and got me both of the attorneys names and both of their contact phone numbers.
And I called the American Samoan attorney. Well, of course, he didn't answer. I left him a fairly lengthy message trying to say I've got the answer to your question on what's going on because they got no idea why this situation is going on down there. K? But I wanted him to know, well, he never returned the call, and I never went any further with it. But I did say on the air as that case got settled because here's what happened. The federal judge in Salt Lake City ruled in favor of the American Samoans. And, that, yeah, they're being discriminated against here. And so within 24 hours within 24 hours, there were amicus curie briefs. They're a friend of the court briefs submitted by the federal government and the other by American Samoa.
And so I said on the air, that'll get overturned at the 10th circuit. It went to the 10th circuit. Sure enough, they overturned it. It never even hit tertiary. Okay? So that's the two efforts they've made to try and find out why they can't get the goodies. And, they still don't know, to my knowledge. So that document we looked at, certificate of noncitizen nationals. Julie, I hope you've got that up on your research thing. And if not, we can verbatim quote it from memory here. Depends on which version if you've got the second or the third paragraph, but it will start with according to the INA, comma. Now, that's the Immigration and Naturalization Act. This is one of the things Trump wrote his executive order about.
A couple of days ago was the INA on all this migration and immigration stuff. So it says, verbatim, according to the INA, comma, Paul, Paul, All. US citizens are US nationals. Now I don't know how far along you got in school, but to me, that says all everybody that's a US citizen has underneath it that other option of a national. All US citizens are US, and it says US. It It doesn't say just nationals, it says US. And then it goes on to say, but not all nationals are US citizens. That's American Samoa. So this one up here, all US citizens are US nationals has got to be the national, doesn't it?
Or am I am was my schooling really wrong? I'm looking for dialogue here. All US citizens are US nationals. Does according to the Immigration Naturalization Act, now does that specifically state that but that there's a dual political status there that he every US citizen has, but the other US nationals don't. Is that what that says or am I reading something backwards, sideways, square, or am I wrong?
[00:40:46] Unknown:
It's in 2 of them. All 3, Roger.
[00:40:49] Unknown:
Alright. Hold on. 2 of them. What, Julie?
[00:40:53] Unknown:
What title are you in again, please? Because I have a I'm not in any title. I'm in the certificate of non citizen nationality
[00:41:03] Unknown:
On the state department's website, travel dot state dot gov, search field certificate of noncitizen nationality. There's a whole bunch of options that'll come up, pick 1. That what I just covered is gonna be in the first paragraph. Oh, no. Excuse me. The second or the third. Now what did you say, Myrka? Because Myrka was in on this fiasco a couple of months ago. What what did you say?
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Reading the INA is what, Julie needs to look at. And the the the confusion there is that they're talking about United States citizens and United States nationals, but they're hiding the the national of the United States of America behind that.
[00:41:51] Unknown:
Well, I I didn't
[00:41:53] Unknown:
you know, you say that, Merica, but it says all US citizens are US nationals. It says that just point blank.
[00:42:01] Unknown:
Right. Because the US citizen can become a national of United States of America. They can remove Well, because this is this is where all this ambiguity
[00:42:11] Unknown:
and all this crap comes from. I'm just trying to lay out the basics, and then we're gonna approach it from a from a couple of different ways. Okay? But that's And I'm gonna let you figure out what the hell you think it is and what they're doing. I think they're the same thing. Okay? I think both of them are you guys. Alright? But let's get into the discussion. Okay? Let's get into the discussion. Yes, Martha?
[00:42:34] Unknown:
Yeah. The con the they do that to confuse people. They just Of course they do. You the US citizen and the US national in that statement, but not acknowledge or say the national of the United States of America Okay. Which is the definition 21 on their INA statement there also that's coming from the organic sectors at large.
[00:43:02] Unknown:
Okay. Let me just cover this the way I wanna cover it. Okay? K. I'm gonna go Roger? Look at a couple of different things here. Yes. You Roger?
[00:43:11] Unknown:
Yeah? I have the certificate of noncitizen nationality, pulled up, and now I see where it's confusing. You're as defined by the INA. That's I see where that's confusing. So can you just please repeat what you just said because I just read it?
[00:43:27] Unknown:
Okay. According to the INA, that's legislation. Constitutional, okay? According to the INA, all ALL US citizens are US nationals. Now, what I see there is that everybody that's US citizen has that separate political status that's hidden underneath them. I'm gonna go into that in a minute, and they are having dual citizenship. They've got US national and they've got US citizen. That's why they ask you in their questions. Are you a citizen of the United States? And they don't ask you or a national, do they? They just ask you the leading question. Okay?
Now, we're gonna go there in a second. So, just hold on. Alright? But you can see what it says right there, all US citizens are US nationals. To me, that says, those are all dual political status people. But only some US nationals are not US citizens. Those are American Samoans and those are the single political status people. They have to naturalize to be a US citizen.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:47] Unknown:
So I I have a an example of how even inside their system that it work. So I applied for a gun permit years ago and, it asked me if I was a US citizen. This is the online application. Right? Uh-huh. And I said no. So it said, you're a citizen of what country? And it listed out all these countries and all 50 states were on that list.
[00:45:13] Unknown:
There you go. K. So there's the dual nature of the of what we're talking about. So anyway Roger, I have a question.
[00:45:25] Unknown:
Okay. Doesn't that give credence to that you have a political choice and so they are conforming with a Vittel law of nations in that regard?
[00:45:38] Unknown:
That's exactly why they've gotta recognize what we're doing. They've got Absolutely. I agree. Don't have the choice. Okay? So that's one section. Now if you go down, what that was, Julie, I was telling you the other day and what that whole certificate is, it's not for us. It's for American Samoans. And so they they say that we used to issue these, but now the price of paper, the special kind of paper, and the ink are so exorbitantly expensive that we just suggest you go get a passport. Now if an American Samoan goes and gets a US passport, on the first visa page, there'll be a big black stamp.
This person is not a citizen of the United States. Okay? So, if you go down below the verbiage on that certificate, you're gonna find some excerpts from the INA. And the first one to look at, I think it says section 308, and it makes a very simple statement. It says a national, it doesn't say a US national, just a national, owes total allegiance to a small s state. A national owes total allegiance to a small s state. Now what that means is because part of the formula has been invoked, the allegiance side, now the state, small s, owes you title protection.
Now that's really important, and it's something that I really just stumbled on in my thinking, fairly recently within a few years. This is our teeth that we're missing. Because you see, like the allegiance owed, the protection owed is not their choice. It is an obligation. It's a duty because we give them complete allegiance under the statutes. They owe us protection. Well, who are they protecting now? Oh, oh, oh, their citizens are mainly citizen of the United States that reside in that state. So they get their protection because they get their allegiance to the federal government. The federal government protects them, doesn't it? Well, what about the old state citizen that's gone long into, not recent, existence?
Well, now all of a sudden, the state is required to give us the protection that we're owed in doing from the formula and from the statutes. But none of these guys know this. Mark and I at one some point are gonna write up a cover letter, and when you people do your estate notifications, give them some of this and some sort of a cover letter. It's not an option. It's a duty. And they're supposed to protect you now about from who? From invaders. Like, how about federal and state agencies that prey on you because you're a citizen of the United States or a resident? See, they're supposed to protect you from them, not aid them in persecuting you.
[00:49:03] Unknown:
Roger, can I share something with what you're saying? Mayor.
[00:49:07] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:49:10] Unknown:
So we we are US citizens be before we become nationals of United States of America. And what are we doing
[00:49:19] Unknown:
with the affidavit is I don't think Mark, I don't think that's right. You're both at birth.
[00:49:26] Unknown:
Right. We're we have dual citizenship. But what we're trying to do is remove the presumption of the United States federal system that they have that control over us. Yeah. That's what we're doing.
[00:49:40] Unknown:
And the fact that we admitted to it every time they ever ask us. Right. We we agreed and and signed and consented
[00:49:48] Unknown:
to participate with the United States Federal System and they they presumed that we were their subject because of that. So now what we're doing is clarifying and stating our fact with the Secretary of State in DC with our affidavit removing that presumption of us being the federal citizen federal citizen of the United States.
[00:50:14] Unknown:
And there's no doubt now. There's no wiggle room in that affidavit form.
[00:50:19] Unknown:
Right. And it's perfect, and it's, like, it just removes us completely. It takes the control off, you know, their presumed control and imposition on us, and we take our honorable responsibility back and are under the private now. So Yeah. We when we put our affidavit in, we are removing ourselves from that United States federal system. So we're not United States Corporation. We are the United States of America But the country.
[00:50:54] Unknown:
But that may be the way they're looking at us with that designation from inside.
[00:51:01] Unknown:
Right. Right. Right. Let me get
[00:51:03] Unknown:
let me get through all this. They've got a lot to get through. Okay? So anyway, you go down, that that by the way, that Nationalist total allegiance to a small estate comes from the nationality act of 1940. That's in the statutes at large, and that's where they started the switch over process of naming getting rid of state citizen and identifying it as a national. That phrase was pulled out of that congressional constitutional legislation and moved over to title 8 in the INA. And that's the exact same phrase as definition a under the nationality act of 1940.
A national of total allegiance to a small estate. Yes, July? Right.
[00:51:51] Unknown:
Okay. So I see that here. It says I see that it says I I see that it says
[00:51:58] Unknown:
Wait. Can we find out where that voice is coming in the background? There's some voice in the background. I don't hear it now. It's when somebody's talking. Go again, Julie.
[00:52:11] Unknown:
Okay. This is where they're, and I now understand you where you're saying they totally mess us up with terms because it says in section 101a21, the term national means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state. However,
[00:52:26] Unknown:
it also says in section 3 40 Small s or capital s?
[00:52:31] Unknown:
Small s. But then in section 341, look what they write up here. They write a person who claims to be a national but not a citizen of the United States may apply to the Secretary of State for a certificate of non citizen national status. Right. Right. That's an American Samoa. Yes. K. So I'm trying to So they're telling you that if you owe permanent, you can apply under American Samoa, which doesn't No. No. American
[00:53:02] Unknown:
Samoa, you won't let me get through the information before y'all start asking questions. Small s state is not American Samoa. If you'll look down another couple of paragraphs they show you what the federal states are and they're all capitalized. DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, etcetera. So the small s is a state, one of the several states, not the territorial states. It's listen, you'll if you were looking for this and trying to figure this out without knowing it's the feudal system and some of this other stuff, you would never figure it out. That's why our whole community has had so little success in over 30 years.
They're going in and trying to read these statutes which are meant to confuse you and come away with conclusions. And you can't look at that this way and come up with a legitimate nature. Okay? Roger. So let me I'll never finish this. Go ahead, Larry. Listen to Roger first, and then we'll go No. That way, no. Let's listen to what Larry's gonna say. Go ahead.
[00:54:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Going back to, the dual citizenship, that's actually described in 8 United States code chapter 12 at paragraph 1401, and it says, nationals and citizens of the United States at birth. And then it goes on to say the following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth, a, a person born in United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. I actually use this as a footnote in a response that I helped draft for another student. And, I I went on to say in the footnote, emphasis at at and subject. And then I put, please note the dual citizenship status.
One is always a national at birth and presumed to be a citizen of the United States until such presumption is rebutted with the secretary of state. So there it is in the United States code, showing that we have a dual citizenship status at birth.
[00:55:21] Unknown:
Yeah. But if you didn't know what we teach you and go at it with the concept, you'd never know what they were saying right there. Okay? So anyway, let let let let me continue here. We got a bunch of ground to cover, okay? So if you look down, below the national total allegiance to a small s state, you'll see that the federal states are capitalized. And that's from the INA also. So there's your differentiation right there. Now, so Abram came on and challenged that, and I think if I remember right, he was trying to say that American Samoans are the US citizen there.
But just looking at the certificate of noncitizen nationality and that statement, that's not true at all. All US citizens are US nationals. Just what Larry just read to us out of that statute. One's at birth and the other is hang hanging behind it. And, of course, that's why they have to ask you as you get over 18, are you a citizen of the United States? They're looking for your voluntary agreement to be in a condition of voluntary servitude. That's what they're looking for. And I bet you, and there's no way to quantify this, I would bet you that just about anybody that's ever been asked those questions answered yes. If they were American citizens.
Okay? Because I remember looking at them years ago and thinking, what if I answered no? I'd almost be scared to answer no. But now I know how ridiculous that is. Okay? But this is the intimidation way that they trap you into agreeing to this thing. So now let's look at what they've done here, Julie, and what we've been taught. Talked to
[00:57:10] Unknown:
Invern said it was a US national, not a US citizen.
[00:57:15] Unknown:
Oh, oh, okay. See how I even get confused in this. Okay. Yeah. He was Anyway about the US national. No. I mean, United States about the US national and saying that that was American Samoan, if I remember right. Okay? Right. And I might not. We had we had several real, just some at times tense discussion on this. Okay? And the in the end, it doesn't make any difference at all. It's just a point of clarification and showing you how intricate they are at this level and the lengths they've gone to to hide this from you. Okay? So, the other thing you go look at is just the timeline itself.
So, they don't ask you, are you a citizen of the United States or a national? They just ask you, are you a citizen of the United States? Even in my elementary law knowledge of Perry Mason, I would go, objection, your honor. That's a leading question. Because they don't there's 2 there, and they only ask you 1. So why is that? Okay? Well, Julie, I'm not sure I'm directing this at you because this is your question. If you go back, have you studied and understand a little bit about Plessy versus Ferguson? I've I have it printed out and I have it half read, but I don't have the whole thing read. Well, that's the that's the important Supreme Court case that you'll never hear another Patriot researcher mention. I've never heard anybody else bring it up, and yet it all the whole thing turns on that. K? So Plessy, you know about the background of it? If you don't, I'll give you a quick synopsis.
It was a a very progressive group out of New Orleans. They had a newspaper. It had a good reach up the eastern seaboard. They wanted to challenge the Jim Crow laws. They went out and found Plessy to use it to challenge him. Then they I say they had to find him because Plessy was 9 tenths white and 1 tenth black. So they found Plessy. They got $3,000 in donations. They dressed him up in his Sunday best and took him to an intrastate railroad inside the state of Louisiana. It did not go to Mississippi. It did not go to Arkansas, and it did not go to Texas.
Just inside because that's Louisiana jurisdiction. K? So they bring Plessy down. They bring him to the train station and take him on. They had the photographers there from the other newspapers. They had hired, Pinkertons or somebody like that to arrest him, and they brought Plessy in and walked him into the white only railroad car. And then they arrested him. And so then it went to the lowest level court there in New Orleans. The judge ruled against them, and his name was Ferguson. And so they enjoined him in the case and went all the way to the Supreme Court. Okay. Now the thumbnail that comes back from the Supreme Court decision is separate but equal.
So this was on the Jim Crow laws. So tell me, Julie, how can black restrooms, white restrooms, black drinking fountains, white drinking fountains, railroad cars, the the restaurant rooms, all all that. How can that separate be equal?
[01:00:52] Unknown:
Well, it can't.
[01:00:54] Unknown:
Well, no. It can. It can because they both had a political status. One had rights from god and the other had new rights under the 14th amendment. They both had a political status. Doesn't have to be equal. Just has to be a political status. So when you get down to all this Jim Crow stuff, this wasn't about black and white at all. It was set up and fostered to be like that. Everybody recognized it like that because, of course, it was predominantly black slaves. But in reality, it's a difference in political statuses, isn't it? Whitey gets his law from God and gives God the duties and have full constitutional protections.
And Jim Crow has 14th amendment portion, protections and owe the duty to the federal government through the 14th amendment. And that's the other one. So it's not black and white. It's political.
[01:02:02] Unknown:
Now that was a huge obstacle. I was thinking I was thinking race here. I wasn't thinking political status.
[01:02:09] Unknown:
Well, nobody else is either. I don't think you'll find that in any of these Supreme Court cases from back then, but it was a political difference. See, there was no federal citizenship before the 14th amendment. Those people that had lived, been born, and were raised there, right on the other side of the fence from where you are, they were stateless. They had no protections or rights from anybody. They weren't a state citizen. They were born and raised in DC in the territories. They were stateless. And that was one of the opportunities that allowed them to drive this thing through it, through the loophole. Was that right there? Okay? And you can read about it in this in the slaughterhouse cases and they they say and they start the part of it there with Jim Crow. And they say, according to the recent Jim Crow decision, a black man and, could not be a citizen of the United States except by an amendment to the constitution.
And that also applied to the people who'd been born and raised in DC in the territories, because they had nobody to give them rights or any organized political structure. So they and it says in that little part right there, it says, it was in the just great discussions of the day. It was in the newspapers, in the public journals, etcetera etcetera, on this issue of citizenship, Okay? For those people. So that's the 14th amendment. That's the one they drove it through. Alright? So now we go up to the 1894 was Plessy and that decision, that's 20 7, about 25 years later. Okay? A little a little more.
And they come back and they go, nope separate but equal. In other words, they're both a legitimate political status. And so that's why Plessy has been the evil Plessy decision. If you ever hear any of these people talk about it, they'll refer to it as the eagle evil Plessy. Who wasn't evil? By the way, John Harlan wrote the descent. The great dissenter wrote the descent on Plessy. So now they've got a problem as we get into the the next century and we're put starting to put this thing together in a timeline. Now they got a problem because they've got these 2 distinct statuses.
And the Jim Crow laws were in effect well up until 1954. Okay? I mean, even during World War 1 and 2, specifically 2, they would have all black regiments and battalions and all that stuff. So Plessy was still in effect in World War 2. Alright? So they still had those two statuses, but they wanna get to the point in setting their agenda up and enslaving you where they don't have to ask you, are you a national or a citizen of the United States? Or which side of Jim Crow are you? That kind of thing. So you've got these two statuses sitting there, and they had to overturn Plessy. And they did that with Brown versus Board of Education in 1954.
Alright? And so Brown's thumbnail is equal in the classroom, equal in the society. Well, they just as easily could have said equal in the white country club, equal in the society. Because now they had equated both of those statuses somehow. Now, I say that, Julie, because I don't know in what kind of tortured legal reasoning that you could make somebody with god given rights and duties equal to somebody with man made rights and duties under the 14th amendment. And that's what they did. Yeah. Now to show you a couple other examples of the chicanery going on here, the gentleman that that case originated in Kansas, interestingly enough.
It became more on the surface of Little Rock, Arkansas and busing in the schools. And so, the guy that took the case and argued in front of the Supreme Court was the head of the NAACP, and his name was Thurgood Marshall. And after they decided in their favor on this Brown versus Board, they made him a Supreme Court justice. So first of all, there's your first kind of payoff. Now when I started thumb stumbling through this line of thinking, figuring it out one night a few years back, and I kept getting bothered by 54. 54. 54.54.
What else happened in 1954? And then it hit me. That's when the 1954 Internal Revenue Code was put into place. So this was the last obstacle for them to clear was to get these statuses equalized before they could put in the final internal revenue code, which we're still under today. And by the way, they only waited 60 days to the day. 60 days after the decision of Brown voor, 1954 internal revenue code. That in essence, if you were looking at this freemason wise, would be considered the capstone of their whole plan. K?
Now that brings up and begs a little bit of attention to show you how important the tax angle is to them. Because with the exception of the 14th amendment of the civil war, this whole thing started with the passage of the 16th amendment in April of 1913. We didn't have a Federal Reserve yet in April. They always pass. They always set this stuff up backwards just like I was explaining to you the other day. So in 1913, we had 16th amendment fraudulently ratified in April. In June or July, they fraudulently ratified the 17th amendment. That's why we've got popular election of senators today. They used to be appointed by the state legislatures, and that kept the states involved in the national government in DC.
This changed that. It was also not ratified, and it was only until December right before Christmas that they passed the Federal Reserve Act. So the first thing they did was pass the 16th amendment court quote unquote the income tax act. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Well, now let's look at both sides. What was the last thing they did? Put the 1954 internal revenue code in place. Do you see how important taxation is? Everything was bracketed in between taxation start and taxation end. That it's the weak link of this whole thing, folks. K?
Now so we've gotten to that point, Julie, where when we read we'll go to the passport in just a second here. So now we can see that to overcome Plessy, separate but equal, and make them equal, equal in the classroom, equal in the society, we had to come in here and have this Brown versus Board decision. Okay? So now, because Plessy is overturned and they're not separate anymore, doesn't that have to mean that they're equal in some respect? Yes. They're not separate anymore. They gotta be equal in some respect. Correct?
[01:10:31] Unknown:
Correct.
[01:10:32] Unknown:
Okay. Now, we're gonna move over to another piece of paper. That's the passport application, which is where I found the key to all this. K? It all came together that day when I sat down, went to the little post office in our little town, picked up a d s 11, d s 82. One was orange, one was purple, took them to the house, put my feet up on the desk, started looking at the damn orange one, and at the top of the page is the answer I've been looking for for over 15 years. That was that warning box, along with, it said at the top, Secretary of State of the United States of America.
I had been told earlier by the Secretary of State of Florida that the US Secretary of State had all final authority over all matters concerning citizenship, and he couldn't write me a letter that I was a Florida state citizen. And I my mind had filed that. And all those years later, when I saw that application, it came back. And I went, holy crap. There it is, secretary of state in charge of all matters concerning citizenship. And in those days on the printed one, at the top of the page was the warning box. They put it just as far away from the application on page 4 with the oath at the bottom as they could physically put it on that paper.
And me putting those two things together are the reason we're here today. Okay? Discussing this complex stuff. Now let's go over. Before we do that, we mentioned this the other day, Julie, and I know you're a quick understudy. Okay? And, we mentioned about the paperwork reduction act and the OMB numbers. Do you remember that discussion?
[01:12:32] Unknown:
Yeah. I remember the o OMB control number at the top of the form that you told me about.
[01:12:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, okay. Just a brief the other audience might not have heard this. I don't I can't imagine somebody not, but after Watergate, one of the positive things that happened was the was called the Paperwork Reduction Act. And in the Paperwork Reduction Act, they stated that if an agency puts out a paper that is called an information gathering request. If an agency puts out a piece of paper to the public that asks you questions, that's a public information gathering request. And they can't just do that willy nilly. They've got to take that whatever paper it is and send it over to the office of management and budget, o m b. And they send it through a very strict and stringent process to make sure that it's totally constitutional.
And when it is, they issue them an o m b number, which they can then print on the forms, and then they can ask the public questions. So it's pretty important. Okay? And that's the reason that that warning box is in the passport application. They don't tell you what you can submit documentation or affidavits for, they just tell that you can and you better not lie, and it must be pretty important because we've got that big warning in all capital letters. That's the reason that's in there because they have to tell you in that public information gathering request that you can volunteer out of their little scam. But they don't have to tell you exactly directly, like, where you might understand it, do they?
No, they don't. K. Now with all that said, on this topic, let's go over to the oath on the passport. So we know all three statuses are there, don't we, Julie? First of all, there's only 4 and if it was a resident alien, he's not a citizen of the United States, he wouldn't qualify to put in a passport application, would he? So all 3 of the other statuses have gotta be there. Would you agree with that?
[01:14:49] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:14:50] Unknown:
Okay. Now let's look at the oath. I swear under penalty of perjury, I'm a citizen of the United States or a noncitizen national, and have not since acquiring United States Citizenship, quotations, or US nationality, violated any of the action conditions listed on page so and so, unless explanatory statement is attached. And they say that in parenthesis. So why would they worry about these terms and conditions like, boinking little boys?
[01:15:53] Unknown:
Debbie Blues, Roger.
[01:15:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Because that information is at the top of the first page in the warning box. But unless you're just some just damn super genius, you'll never connect those 2.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
Hey, Roger.
[01:16:29] Unknown:
He keeps going in and out.
[01:16:31] Unknown:
You're breaking up, Roger.
[01:16:42] Unknown:
What happened to Roger? He's he's, losing his connection?
[01:16:46] Unknown:
Sounds like I don't know. Paul?
[01:16:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Where's Paul?
[01:16:55] Unknown:
Paul's not here, man. He's with Dave.
[01:16:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Paul's here. Paul's
[01:17:01] Unknown:
here, but I had to switch to a different computer to be able to talk to you. It says Roger is still connected, but he's muted muted.
[01:17:12] Unknown:
Rog? Oh, did did you tell him?
[01:17:18] Unknown:
I'm I'm not muted now. I didn't think I was before about the There you are. The hour out loud. Yeah. Have you not heard the last 30 minutes?
[01:17:28] Unknown:
We didn't hear the last 5.
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3. Touch anything. Okay?
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The last time we heard what you were saying was that Boinking Boys.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, why would they What it what it tried to drop it at?
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Why would they have this terms and conditions thing in the oath with a statement unless explanatory statement is attached when above it in the previous sentence are these 2 different, positions of political status and they don't identify crap to do with them. They tell you at the front of the document or buried in the instructions in the warning box. And they never tell you, it revert it reverses your political status. Okay? So, my question now, Julie, is with all that being said, in the oath it says, under penalty of perjury, I swear I'm a citizen of the United States or a noncitizen national.
Because that document's got an o m b number, we can pretty well guess that that's hidden there somewhere because it's got to be there. They got to give you all your options to be constitutional, their scheme. So where is it hidden? Are they hiding the national behind the citizen of the United States in the oath? Or
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Oh, there he goes again. He's gone. Maybe he needs to drop and reconnect. It could be Skype. You know, Skype's I've been getting reports from people. Skype's been acting real funky.
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No. He's now he's muted again.
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1 I didn't touch the one
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I touched nothing. I'm sitting here with my hands on my knees talking into the microphone. I touched nothing.
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Yeah. The Internet's doing weird things.
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Okay. Can I do do I need to do do I need to do this a third time for Julie? Julie, because the passport application has an o m b number, it's met all the requirements that is constitutional, all the information is there. In the oath, I swear under penalty of perjury, I'm a citizen of the United States or a noncitizen national. Which one of those 2 is national hidden behind?
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Citizen.
[01:19:57] Unknown:
Well, I think so too. K? So that's the only place it could be. Alright? Because a noncitizen national doesn't have birthright citizenship. They have to they have to go through naturalization to get it. So it couldn't be there. I think that they can call
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Okay. He's gone again. Why don't you say blanket? Why don't you say I think the I think the AI is interfering with phone calls
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now. Well, I think they have been. They're just perfecting it. Yep. And so they don't want this topic discussed.
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Yeah. Well, he's connected to us through Zoom. So,
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and Zoom is Speaking of the AI, the, I read I watched a really good video on the iPhone 16. I should, hey, Marco. Can you send me another email so I can find you quickly? I wanna send you something that you should post about the this AI that's actually, reading people's screens and things like that. Yes. Thank you. I'll I'll send you an email. It's, it's breaking me. There's no no more, point to point encryption. Oh.
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Thank you. Paul, you wanna bring me up through 7:20 next time or through FCC if it does it again? It's some kind of a Zoom presume problem, it sounds like.
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I I have no idea, but I do know that you you dropped and then reconnected. So did you do that? Or connect. No. I didn't reconnect. Oh, okay. Well, you had dropped and reconnected. Well, let's hope that that fixed it. Okay. Well, let's hope it is. Anyway, so, Julie, do you see the conundrum here
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that is taking all this time to really give a proper foundation to try and answer your question by asking you that question, which one of those 2 is the national hidden behind? And some people say it's an the it's American Samoan and I think they may use it with both. Okay? And I think that they've just done this in their continuing obfuscation to deceive and enslave. But that's kind of my personal opinion. But now you got a pretty good lay of the land, you can go in and noodle that out. I think it has to be behind the US citizen. I agree. Because that's the only way that Plessy and what went on there comes into play, and that was real important had them having to overcome Plessy v Ferguson.
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Roger, I have a question. Sherry. Okay. Good, Sherry. Okay. Well, that whatever they dictate or mandate or put forth stands. When you were speaking about, the correlation or the equating of god given rights with, civil rights. It stands until somebody states otherwise or complains about it. Correct? And that's what we're doing here.
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Well, I guess it would have to be taken up to the Supreme Court and overturned. I don't know, and I've never read the Brown decision, but I know what the statement was. And now I see it in its total picture and what they were not only trying to do, but now I understand that they had to do it. It wasn't a choice. They couldn't leave Plessy operational. They had to hide it. So for whatever that's worth. Now, like I said, it's really kind of a moot point and if you just wanna get in and and really try and master and weave down and see how these guys think and how they do stuff because all you gotta do and I I I maintain if somebody did send in an affidavit that said US National, they wouldn't they wouldn't reject it.
They wouldn't tell you you're wrong. Okay? Right. They wouldn't. But if you just wanna be on solid footing, just refer to yourself as a national. K? But that's the whole background on what they've had to go through to get it to where they could ask you that question. Are you a citizen of the United States? A leading question with national hidden underneath it as we now not only we know. We know because they're they're the ones that have told us they're correct that we're correct by not objecting. Wow. There's something weird in the background there. Somebody's house. Okay. Anybody got any questions? Tom, welcome, buddy.
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Roger. Yeah. The, when you were talking about that, is it is it just the word national? Is it US national? Is it American national? Or all of those Well, that one is.
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American national will be found in the statutes. That works. National is there. The question is, are you a US national as a state citizen national? That's the question, and I think so. But any anyway, it's really moot. It's not an answer we've got, but not a question we've got to have an answer to because we already know, the answer that works. Now, Mirka, what were you saying?
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With the US national versus national, we we remove the presumption of the United States which is the US and they're using the US National to confuse people in the INA. So for us, it's just national. And if we're removing ourselves from the federal system, the United States Corporation, why would you wanna call yourself a US national? You wanna call yourself a US I like I said, I said the the whole thing is kind of a moot discussion because if you just use national, it works just fine. K? Right. And US national, they can't they can't hold it against you, of course, because they use it on the INA definition. And, they're hiding all 3 of us in there. Okay. The US citizen national and the US national, which is the American Samoa.
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Well, the other thing is is we're not lawyers and we're not held to that high a standard because we're not attorneys. So you could always come in and shove that up their ass if they tried to give you any problems on it.
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Right. Exactly.
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Well, they're
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They just try to confuse people by saying US National on their not staying the regular national in that
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in that you all US citizens are US nationals. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna show you how they do that with noncitizen national too, but I wanna entertain Larry first. Larry?
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Okay. I think I can add some clarity to this whole discussion about the US National. So I'm gonna read you a definition, and I use this in a, in a response letter, because the passport center refused to issue a passport to a student, and I'm assisting in the matter. And,
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now is that the did they refuse to issue it, or is this just a bluff letter?
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They're saying that, well, we don't know because and I still believe in responding.
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So Is this the first is this the first paragraph? It appears by what you have submitted that you're a citizen of the United States, then it quotes the 14th amendment, and it says this cannot be waived unilaterally, blah blah blah blah blah, except by law all that, but I Well, that's a blessing. All that, but
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but they still gave 90 days to respond, and it's we're coming up upon the, the end of that time period. Okay. I'm not very easy. We responded. But, anyway, here's what I wrote. Since your passport agent refused to recognize my political status as a national, This agent is not only refusing to issue a passport card and book, but also not following the code of federal regulations. Now let me just stop there and say, one of the things that I've learned from you, Roger, over the years from listening to you is we're we are to use their own codes, regulations, and policies against them. So the CFR isn't for us to follow, but it is definitely for them to follow. So let me discuss here. Depend well, especially depending on what type of regulation it is, whether it's interpretory or statement of policy. Go ahead.
Right. Okay. So I go on. Please reference CFR title 22 at, quote, subpar a general paragraph 51.2, and then get this. It says this, passport issued to nationals only, end quote. And then I wrote, this would be me and what my political citizenship status currently is. Notice the code goes on to also include that, quote, and this is in, small a parenthesis, a passport may be issued only to a US national, end quote. Then I went on to say this would be what I used to be in terms of my former political status. Please be advised that a US national includes 2 different political statuses. These are identified by referencing the US national definition at CFR Title 22 paragraph 51.1 definitions. Now get this.
US citizen means a person who acquired US citizenship at birth or upon naturalization as provided by law and who has not subsequently lost such citizenship. And then it says this is the important part. US national means a US citizen or a US noncitizen national. It goes on to say US noncitizen national means a person on whom US nationality, but not US citizenship, has been conferred at birth under 8 United States code 1408 or under other law or treaty and who has not subsequently lost such noncitizen nationality. And then I wrote this, by way of further explanation, a noncitizen national is an American Samoan.
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So that really clarifies it for me.
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It does? Okay. Well, it confused the hell out of me. Wouldn't it be easier to say Patel's law of nation states, all men have the right of personal political self determination as echoed in the US charter or UN charter? That's a lot easier to me, it seems. And then I'd say something
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reference back in the previous paragraph. Yep. Okay.
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Well, yeah, all you need is sentences, and it rebuts it. Anyway, you you handle it however you want to. But, the second part of that would be, that it says in the 14th amendment quoted above and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, not are subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And you can rebut that whole letter with those two sentences. But you do it however you Somebody say r?
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Argh or r?
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You said r. I did. You got me excited. I saw what you're doing, Vincent.
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I got you all all fired up, didn't I? Well, look at that. Now he's almost got a voice back. But, Larry, you could do that. I just don't like using their statutes and regulations. If you wanna use them, go ahead. K? I like to do a totally different approach, and I'll tell you, in the 10 years we've been getting those bluff letters, we've never had one that was addressed where the person didn't get their documents. Never. Not one. No. I take that back. Pageant's mother, who, witty nilly, because Pageant had done this and told her about it, wanted to do it. So she sent in, some sort of a affidavit or documentation with a passport application, and they refused because she's got a South African passport for one thing, and they hate South Africa.
And, also, she didn't keep a copy of what she sent them, so there's no way to challenge their decision. Always keep a copy.
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K?
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So who else? I've got everything you signed. Well, yeah, I'd say everything. Just keep folders. Be a little bit organized about it. It's well, I guess it just determines how important you think your freedom is. It's up to you. Okay?
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Roger, I'd like to share my response. So Okay. Well, Art, I wanna hear you. Or can you talk good?
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I mean, I know you're sounding better. I hear you fine. I just don't want you to strain your voice and go back down the tube again.
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Okay. Go ahead, man. I'm close to getting this completely out of me. So I wanna share this if you can hear me okay and understand me okay. Yep. That letter that Larry was talking about, we had some students facing that same thing and and it's just like he's quoted. Right off the bat, it says thank you for your passport application. It appears from the facts of your birth and documents you submitted that you're a US citizen and entitled to a US passport in accordance with the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and such to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.
As supreme law of our land, it cannot be waived by unilateral declaration, except as otherwise provided by law. Yeah. So see it's they get you thinking, well, you can't just say you're national, but then they throw in, except as otherwise provided by law, which is what we're doing. Right? We're we're following the law. So anyway, it talks about the statutes applicable to US passports, provided you may be issued a US passport showing you are a US citizen. We are not in a position to respond to or enter into a dialogue concerning any views which disagree with the constitution or the citizenship laws of the United States as interpreted by the courts.
Therefore, please advise this office in writing if you wish a US passport to be issued to you at this time, it will show that you are a US citizen. Because we have no authority to issue a passport showing you as anything other than a US citizen, your application will be denied unless we receive response from you within 90 days. So let and I'm not gonna read you word for word on on my response letter. It's about 2 pages long. About a page and a half actually when you take away the business header. So we responded to the customer service department that we received their letter and gave the date of that letter. Now this is a husband and wife that were die denied their passports.
So they they were done so separately. We both got the same letter. So we responded saying, you know, the date that we received their letter where my recent passport renewal application was denied. The basis of the denial was from alleging I'm a US citizen and cannot unilaterally change my citizenship to that of a national, and I put in quotes in parentheses, formerly known as a state citizen. Save an enclosed copy of your letter. So, again, whenever we respond to these administrative agencies, we want to put this on a silver platter for them. I don't want them to go have to look up the letter that they sent me or the letters that I've sent them. I've got copies of them or you better have copies of them of what you sent them and proof of your mailing and receipt.
And I put that in as attachments or enclosures and I put it on a silver platter. They don't have to go look at their computer. I've got it right in front of their eyeballs. So I said I would first like to point out that your department's letter stating you're not in a position to respond to or enter into a dialogue concerning any use is a violation of my due process rights and possibly violates the Administrative Procedures Act. Section 101 a 21 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, that's not put in parentheses, I and I, defines the term national as a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.
However, section 101a22 of the INA, that term, national of the United States, includes all US citizens as well as persons who though not citizen of the United States, owe permanent allegiance to the United States. And in parentheses, I put non citizen nationals. Then I put, the date I mailed my certified mail, I mailed by certified mail a notice letter in my affidavit of citizen excuse me, in my affidavit of citizen citizenship evidence to the Secretary of State, in this case, it's Antony Blinken, see the enclosed copy. Here again, we're putting on a silver platform. Here's here's a copy of my affidavit of citizenship evidence that I sent to Blinken and proof of, mailing and receipt.
So, see the enclosed copy. In my affidavit, I clearly declared my intention and desire to be a national and not a citizen of the United States in a condition of voluntary servitude with civil rights under the scope and purview of the 14th Amendment. To date, the US Department of State has not rebutted my affidavit of citizenship evidence. Then I'm almost done. In the United States versus Cruickshank, the US Supreme Court stated, we have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several states. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others.
Additionally, 14th amendment recognizes as interpreted by the Supreme Court in US versus Anthony, and that's not exactly correct, that was a New York court, but anyway, that an individual can be a citizen of 1 of the several states without being a citizen of the United States. Similarly, in the slaughterhouse cases, the court stated that one could be a state citizen without being a United States citizen. According to, title 8 of the FAM, help me out. What what does FAM stand for again? Foreign
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something Something manual. Yeah. Internal at the state court. Foreign foreign affairs manual.
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Thank you. Foreign affairs manual 301.1. The one, jus soli, the law of the soil, a rule of common law under which the place of a person's birth determines citizenship exclusively applies to this case. However, hfam 301.1 dash 1 only addresses the term national in the United States as defined by NA INA 101a22. Excuse me. 8 USC 1101a22 and wholly fails to address the national who owed permanent allegiance to the state as defined by INA 101a21. And, the definition of national in section 101a21 together with the controlling Supreme Court precedents discussed above support the validity of my asserted status as a national.
However, it appears that review of the National Passport Center did not sufficiently account for all applicable legal authorities establishing that one can both be owe permanent allegiance to their state of birth under section 101a21 as well as search solely the standing without requiring US citizenship. Almost done. Notice. I have the right to self determine as a national defined by section 101a21 By your department claiming, I am a US citizen and I cannot voluntarily choose to be a national, it would appear to be a direct violation of the 13th Amendment against involuntary servitude, and then in parenthesis I put slavery.
Considering the above law and explanations, I request the National Passport Center to reevaluate my recent passport application and properly list my citizenship as a national. Please respond to this letter within 30 days. Failing to respond will be tasked at admission. The United States Department of State confirms my citizenship status as a national. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to email me at the address listed below. And they got the signature and put their email address.
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I'll bet they got their documents. I'll bet they got their documents. Both got their passports. Right. They didn't get a letter back though. They sent them their passports, which is the same exact result I've had from every one of those we've ever received and responded to. Yeah, Tommy. What you got?
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Sweet.
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It was it was where?
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Oh, I thought it was Tom. Larry. Go there. Yeah. I,
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Mark, that's the exact same letter that the student I'm helping received. Yes. They have 90 days, and we're coming up until the end of that 90 day period. Let me ask you something, Mark. Do you believe if you don't respond to a letter like that, that they are not that this is a reason the state department will will have to not send them a passport?
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Well, they ask you what you wanna do. You gotta let them know what you want them to do. Either you want them to send you a passport as a US citizen, which they're all prepped and ready to do, or you gotta direct them otherwise. And you got 90 days to respond.
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Yep. Exactly. I always believe in responding to them no matter what so that you have the last word.
[01:43:16] Unknown:
Some of them don't have a a request for responses tells you you don't have to respond. But with those bluff letters, it's like you're not they're not ask I mean, you're not asking them to do anything. You're asking them to file your affidavit with your application stating your fact of a national, and it's pretty simple. When you respond, thank you for confirming that you received my passport application with my affidavit, please do show that this affidavit is attached to my application stating my update as a national, which is already on file with Secretary of State.
It doesn't have to be that complicated.
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Well, this wasn't a blunt letter. Complicated, though. This is not a bluff letter. Okay. Hold on. There's a distinction. Blanca's right, but she's talking about bluff letters, like, cuckoo cuckoo, missus Robinson. That's a bluff letter. It's not responding to anything other than you mailed in an affidavit. Right? And there's Yeah. It's not affecting anything. But this is a specific letter to the individual who applied for a passport Mhmm. And they're asking for directions on how they wanna proceed. So this is totally different. Well Your your response has to be different.
But and I'm in total agreement with Merck that when it's a bluff letter, and they send you this thing out of the blue, like, we got one now. It's floating around. We talked about it earlier. The 3175 c, which is from the IRS. And they're saying your arguments are are are frivolous and blah blah blah. You need to file this tax and yada yada yada. There's nothing specific in that 4 page letter. It's a bluff letter, and I totally agree with Merca. When it's one of these baloney bluff letters, I love to stick it back in their face and say, thank you for confirming or see of my affidavit of citizenship evidence, and then you can add whatever you want. You don't have to go tit for tat all through every single
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allegation they put in there because it's not specifically directed at you. It's a bluff letter. And, Merk, you're a 100% on target with that. Mhmm. Well, you know, Mark, I've always considered oh, I've always considered the ones, like, we're talking about with that first paragraph to be bluff letters too. And quite frankly, I don't even ever think I've even read through the rest of the letter if that's the first paragraph. I just shoot them back that Vatel, and it says and subject to the jurisdiction, not our.
And never cease to get the documents. So what they're doing is they're really kind of probing to see what how much you know is what it seems to me. Exactly.
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But how long after you sent the new did they get it?
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How the 3 or 4 people wanted to talk here. Yeah. Larry, go ahead. I
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was asking, after you sent that response to them, how long afterwards did you did it take for the students to get there, the husband and wife students to get their passports?
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They they sent me books around the 1st December, and just last week, they they notified me that they got their passports.
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Okay. So it was about Usually, it's pretty quick in my experience, Larry. So what is that?
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Could be about 4 about 4 weeks.
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Okay. Probably. One of them is Perfect.
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Yep. Alright. 22
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or 3 other people wanted to talk. 1 of them is a female. Who is the female? Mirka? Is that you? Mirka. Yeah.
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Yeah. I wanted to read the, letter to you so you can hear the whole thing. It's very short. It says thank you for your recent passport application. It appears from the fax of your birth and the and the documents you submitted that you are a US citizen and entitled to a US passport. In accordance with the 14th amendment of the constitution of the United States, all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. As supreme law for for our land, it cannot be waived by unilateral declaration except as otherwise provided by law. And there's 3 little small, sections here. The statutes applicable to US passports provide that you may be issued a US passport showing you are a US citizen.
We are not in position to respond to or enter into a dialogue concerning any views which which disagree with the constitution of the citizenship laws of the United States as interpreted by the courts. Therefore, please be advised please advise there's there's 4 please advise the office in writing if you wish a password be issued to you at this time, it will show that you are a US citizen because we have no authority to issue a password showing you as a anything other than the US citizen. Your application will be denied unless we receive a response in the 90 days. So here, they're just telling you that you are a US citizen even though you already submitted a affidavit with that correction
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and update It's a bluff letter. They're trying to see what you know.
[01:49:17] Unknown:
Right. And that's what that's what I'm saying. It's like all you need to do is respond with a simple, you know, response saying thank you for confirming you got my application and my password. I disagree.
[01:49:28] Unknown:
I disagree.
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Well, let me finish, please, Mark.
[01:49:32] Unknown:
K. Go ahead. I I you would respond with that. Off.
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This is exactly the same letter that I responded to. I yield.
[01:49:41] Unknown:
All I'm saying is that you could respond with a simple, response saying that thank you for confirming my you received my pass, application and my affidavit to update my status that's already on file with secretary of state. And please do, reflect that information on my application and passport as a national. You can give them a little bit of the date data, like, what Larry quoted to make sure that they do do do their job because they're trying to tell you, I am not gonna give you a national, passport. That all you have to say is, like, well, you're violating this, and you should be cc'ing the secretary of state who is their superior on your response.
[01:50:31] Unknown:
Okay. Well, the point well, I don't have a point. Don't have a point. Please don't tell hold on, Sherry. Please don't have a debt. That everybody gets one of these because very few people get them from the amount of people that send in an application. They seem to just periodically choose someone at random and send them I don't know about the rest of the letter, but they all start with that first paragraph. Okay? And my thought was just to see what you know or you wanna look at, I wonder what an Anavon Wright student or David Strait student has to say for that. Okay? Go ahead, Sherry.
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I was just Sherry. Agree with Mark that you have to, put forward the evidence succinctly. And
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Yeah. I've never told anybody not to respond on this one. If you don't respond like it says at the bottom of the letter Right. Well, they won't send you your document. They probably I don't even know if they'd send you the money back. Okay? Hey, Roger. But I always know for 10 years plus, everybody that's ever come running to me, Roger Roger, pulling their hair out because they got a letter that says something they don't hadn't sat down and thought about and read through is all that is. What's the operative phrase except by operation of law?
[01:51:58] Unknown:
Yes. And I will just say, before you that gentleman continues, now they've changed the phrase in that letter, pursuant to law.
[01:52:12] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. It does it doesn't matter because the law the law has not changed. It's never been modified. You're just saying Correct. To try to get people to get shaken. I've helped over 20 people with this letter, and every single one of them got their passport. Okay? Yep. They got their passport within 2 weeks of getting that letter. All I did was write a letter back with a memorandum of watch with court cases citing the difference between a US citizen and a state citizen. Slaughterhouse cases, Wong Kim Clark, Susan B. Anthony Court case. These are these are vital court cases that people should be reading. But I also, in the letter, to rebut what they were saying, I called them out in the fact that they don't even finish the first sentence of the 14th amendment. Right? They just cut it off. I said, you guys not even finished this first sentence of the 14th amendment in your letter. I said, so right there, you're just being devious and deceptive.
Like, you forgot the part about, that you're, you know, citizens of the state wherein they reside. You forget about that part. You left that off very conveniently. Alright? When, you know, I said so I called them out on that. Then I told them that, you know, their definition of persons as used in the 14th Amendment means corporations. Okay? That's that's that's been adjudicated in case law too. Alright? Then the fact that they're ignoring, the national, right, only permanently to a state, their own definitions. And then I resend them the affidavit that was sent in with the passport application.
And then I sent them their own I print off the stuff from the travel dot state dot gov website talking about all US citizens or US nationals. Right? And I say, I hope that this exhibit will clear this up since this comes from your website. And one for one, everyone gets their passport within 2 weeks. So that's that's how that's solved. You just give them back their stuff, like, just like Roger says, that's all you do. Just use their stuff against them.
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Our
[01:54:10] Unknown:
Thank you, Joe. Yeah. Just a quick follow-up. If your letters are working, then congrats. Just keep doing what you're doing. Okay? It's all about the results. Right? So if whatever you're using, simple or a little bit more detailed is working, then great. Congratulations to you. I wanna follow-up with Mark who said something very important. He said, send a copy of this response letter to, secretary of state. In this case, it's currently blinking. So, unless he's already been no. He's been replaced by Marco, hadn't he? Yep. So Marco Rubio is the new Secretary of State. But That's him. He's absolutely right.
Now, I did a little something extra with that. I sent a copy to the, state US Senator. So my the the US senator and the security state and the National Passport Center, which, you know, that's the original agency we're responding to. So we responded to the national I'm sorry, guys. Just bear with me a second. I'll get it straight. So first, we just signed the national passport settlement. We copy the secretary of state's office. That's the US secretary of state in DC. And secondly, in in this instance, we also copied this the, related state US senator, one of them.
And what I did is I picked the one that was most senior. There's 2 senators every state. Right? So in this case, I just went and I researched both of them a little bit, and I felt the the I took the one that had been in office longer than the other. One. And that's it. So, anyway, that's a good point, Marco. You're right on top of it.
[01:56:05] Unknown:
I just feel that the the their superior should be, educating their agents. And I feel like, you know, maybe we should put it back on them and and have them reach out to their superior to get educated on whatever they're doing. I know it's all mischievous and being deceitful with people, with our students, but, you know, people that are putting the, passport applications at the national. And then it's not I mean, people just need to learn the information and respond. But Right.
[01:56:38] Unknown:
Well you know,
[01:56:41] Unknown:
I think that's that the secretary of state needs to educate them. And I agree. You know, notice to the agent is notice to the principal. You know?
[01:56:51] Unknown:
Yep. So I have a question. Problem. They don't want they don't wanna educate them on this.
[01:56:57] Unknown:
Right. I know. Second.
[01:56:59] Unknown:
I I I wanna take a a moment here. Keep in mind, most of these these federal agency workers have no clue about the secondary No. I can call it secondary. No. They don't know about this other status. Nope. Well, neither do you know the lawyers. Well, yeah. Example, like Gavin in California.
[01:57:22] Unknown:
Well, let me let me hold on. Tom, could you put your mute on, please? For a week or so. Can you mute, Tom? Tom, whoever is doing that. Could you mute, please?
[01:57:36] Unknown:
It's not me. I'm not I'm muted.
[01:57:38] Unknown:
Okay. It sounds like somebody got it. Okay. Go ahead, Mark. Sorry.
[01:57:43] Unknown:
So, anyway, Gavin, we ran into the same thing in in California. And, so he educated him first and just like Roger said, when he went back to an appointment in person, the clerk who was a specialist in this area said, oh, yeah. They had a big meeting after you left last time. And it included one of their attorneys. And so they put their feet down saying, you can't be anything but a US citizen. And so Gavin went back and followed up with a letter similar to what I was reading off, and, that's when he got his, passport back. But he is so educated and now that he he's got clients who fly in, and he walks them to the passport office and gets their passport immediately.
Make And they know. They they they know what he's doing. They can't fight it. And so, you know, so he's he's done a magnificent job. And I'm I'm a 100% in agreement with Merca. We need to educate somebody at the at the Department of State that this isn't some some sovereign citizen baloney, and we need to educate them. And and, oh, you know who you know who their public relations person is? It might be a good place to start. You know who the public relations person is?
[01:59:17] Unknown:
Missus Robinson? Kelly Robinson. Well, I guess it does come full circle, does it?
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Quick question.
[01:59:32] Unknown:
Yes, sir.
[01:59:34] Unknown:
Yes. This is Sketch. I looked up, the secretary's secretary of state, of the state and, you know, they have many duties, but, basically, the secretary is a notary of the public for the state. Now would that transfer to the feds that that secretary of state is basically a notary of the public for the federal government and that they're interfering with that operation of being a notary of the public?
[02:00:06] Unknown:
And listen, they're not involved.
[02:00:08] Unknown:
They're not involved. I don't know what you're saying. I'm not I'm saying I'm saying Blinken. Isn't one of his duties is to be basically a notary of the public for us in informing them?
[02:00:22] Unknown:
And and then The US Secretary of State has far more responsibilities and powers
[02:00:30] Unknown:
than many duties. I know. But one of them is basically, you know, to register as a notary of the public to make public record of what we're doing. And they're interfering with that. I yield.
[02:00:44] Unknown:
I don't know. But I know this is the state secretary of states. This That's a great question. It's okay. That's that's okay. I'm just I'm just thinking out loud. I'm just I think every state has its own secretary of state. Correct. They're the ones that do the public records as far as registering corporations. They also handle the notaries. Marco, you might be you know, might be more things that I'm not aware of. But that's pretty much what your state the secretary of state of your state is responsible.
[02:01:24] Unknown:
They they collect a bunch of fees.
[02:01:27] Unknown:
Yes. That's true. Here in the Do you mark your land of the the record.
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The land of the fee the land of the fee in the home of the slave. We were
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actually out. The, the Whistler wasn't I turned the Whistler down for the top of the hour, BOU sign off
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and forgot to turn it back up. So Yeah. We are off the air. That's okay. We'll use Sketch's dinner bell. You just need to hear Sketch's dinner bell and know it's over. Alright. Well, you're gonna be hearing it pretty quick. I have a feeling.
[02:02:01] Unknown:
Hey, Mark. Hey, Mark. Yes. Would you mind sharing? Thank you for all the information you shared. I really appreciate it. Would could you share the case that you used for the 14th amendment for the adjudication where what what case did you use showing that the person is a corporation?
[02:02:20] Unknown:
I didn't I don't think I heard that. Did you did you say Crook Shag? Yeah.
[02:02:26] Unknown:
No. That was Joe. That was Joe. What what case was that, Joe? Well, I mean, a a person go ahead.
[02:02:34] Unknown:
That's Covington and L Turnitify Cook, company versus Stanford.
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Thank you.
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Mhmm. Man, that damn thing cut out again.
[02:02:49] Unknown:
You're fine. We can hear you, Roger. It's fine.
[02:02:52] Unknown:
I think it's about I think it's about all my voice can handle right now. But good to hear you guys today. Smart. Feeling really good. I've been on there at the very beginning. Thank you, Mark. So much. You're welcome. Thank you, everyone. Hey, Roger. Hey. Before you before you leave, Roger, I'd like to tell you something. Hold on. Hold on, please. Now I lost my train of thought. Oh, I got some exciting research. It's not like ground shaking, but it will really put a nail in the the coffin when we talk about definitions. And so, it's very favorable to our our side.
And so that that's they'll be coming here shortly. I've gotta just confirm that I've confirmed what I saw and heard. And, but thank you for everybody's input, Merica and Larry and everybody.
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And,
[02:03:47] Unknown:
hopefully, we'll talk to you next time. Mark,
[02:03:50] Unknown:
one more thing. Possible to ask one last thing?
[02:03:54] Unknown:
One more thing, Mark.
[02:03:56] Unknown:
Just yeah. One last thing. Just and and it's just clerical. We're trying to figure out just some direction on where best to send our first notice to them about our passport because I think we ran into the same thing, me and, miss Jane and possibly Linda Louise too. I don't know, but I'll ask her. Where should we send it? Let's just
[02:04:17] Unknown:
Did you get a letter that did you get a letter saying that they were gonna only issue you a passport as a US citizen?
[02:04:25] Unknown:
Well, it's where. Where do we send it? Because there's many addresses online.
[02:04:30] Unknown:
Okay. Let me let me ask my question again. Did you receive a letter? No. I mean, I okay. Then I don't understand what you're asking.
[02:04:40] Unknown:
Where do we send it? Let me let me clarify that for him. I didn't I couldn't translate what he was asking as well because we already have our passports. We got them about a year ago, and we think that they might be incorrect. We're not sure. Okay. So we're trying to find out, where we would amend it, I think is what he's asking. And how can we know if it is incorrect? It it does
[02:05:07] Unknown:
There's some stuff on it. USA made over the picture.
[02:05:10] Unknown:
Did you get the did you also get the card? Yes. Did you get the passport card? There's some coding on there that will let you know how they reference your status.
[02:05:25] Unknown:
Yes. I think Linda Louise helped me with that, and I think that she said she saw something that might have been incorrect. Is there something I could Hold on. Hold on.
[02:05:39] Unknown:
This is a mindset. Bob I don't remember what state he was in. But Bob had had the same kind of question, and I think he did call up the the Department of State or maybe I don't know. I don't think it was a passport. Maybe it was a passport. Anyway, he asked him, do you have my affidavit? And they said, yes. And he goes, well, I don't care what you put on on my passport. See, folks? Yeah. Your affidavit trumps everything that they put out there. That passport don't mean nothing. It's prima facie evidence that you can't rebut.
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Right.
[02:06:24] Unknown:
And so it's your mindset. You're all worried that all these i's have to be dotted and t's have to be crossed, and that's not the case here. I got court cases that say that a passport is only prima facie evidence, and it can be challenged. Your driver's license is prima facie evidence, and it can be challenged. So you gotta know in your mind that you're national. And I don't care what any government flunky says, you're national. Now if you don't get that ingrained in your thinking,
[02:07:07] Unknown:
you're gonna be running scared the rest of your lives.
[02:07:11] Unknown:
You gotta Well, I'm having a Okay.
[02:07:15] Unknown:
I'm talking to everybody. Okay? Hold on. Somebody's coughing right in the microphone.
[02:07:19] Unknown:
Could you keep your microphone? I'm sorry. That's me.
[02:07:23] Unknown:
I was asked. Okay. Thank you, Paul. Who's the lady we're talking with? I I had to step away. I came in on the conversation. If you really wanna absolutely, you can't sleep at night until you know that's in there, you want to do what's called a privacy act request for your personal folder. And when they send it back to you, it'll be in there and then you can sleep really good at night no matter what's on that card. Okay?
[02:07:54] Unknown:
Yep. Good for your passport documents too, and that'll have your affidavit in there that you see. Don't do it for you. Hey, Roger. Because then they might close the loop if you need it.
[02:08:05] Unknown:
Personal property say that your affidavit trumps even your passport?
[02:08:12] Unknown:
Just saying. Say that.
[02:08:14] Unknown:
Your passport represents your affidavit if it's done correctly. That's why they have to That might be. And recognize
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it. K? Correct. What I'm saying. Bob Bob Put the affidavit.
[02:08:28] Unknown:
Bob had the right Sherry, let him talk. Or what.
[02:08:32] Unknown:
You don't know what Bob said. I don't care what you're for the affidavit. I yield. Yeah. Now Bob said, I don't care what you put on my app or on my passport. As long as you got my affidavit in my record, that's all that matters.
[02:08:45] Unknown:
And he's right. Yeah. He's absolutely right. And remember, this is the other thing that and I don't ma'am, I didn't get your name. But this is a really important concept that they have, conditioned us out of. And that's the fact that who you are is your decision. What settled laws you wanna live under is your decision. And if it's not, it's tyranny. If they tell you what settled laws to live under, that's tyranny. That's why this is set up the way it is to ask you the questions to get you to volunteer in. What you are is your decision, and they can't take that away without being open tyrants.
Understood. Roger. Very good. Thank you. And I and I apologize if it sound like I was yelling. That's definitely why I'm getting my voice. No. He's got this voice problem. Hell, we couldn't even hardly understand him just a couple of days ago. So I'm worried about you straining your voice right now, Mark, quite frankly. We're good. We're good. Thank you. Does it hurt? I apologize. Does it just sound like a good harsh.
[02:09:54] Unknown:
I apologize if if I came across harsh, but it's it's this attitude and mindset and everything. Yeah. Won't you grab a hold of that? You know who you are.
[02:10:05] Unknown:
You are empowered.
[02:10:07] Unknown:
Yep. Thank you, Roger. That's so important. Yep.
[02:10:10] Unknown:
Yep. It really is. That's the whole basis of everything. Okay. I heard Samuel. I think Larry's in there. There's a reverb or something coming. It was when you were talking, Mark. There's something on the back end of what you're saying. I didn't hear it echoing a little there. So I just need to I I believe it's coming from Jane Doe. Okay. Jane Doe, you might wanna hit your mute. We'll get to you. Samuel? Star 6.
[02:10:39] Unknown:
Yeah. What are the arguments
[02:10:41] Unknown:
that I press star 6 and mute yourself.
[02:10:46] Unknown:
Go ahead. Again, start.
[02:10:49] Unknown:
Yeah. One of the arguments that I would use and I think is probably the most powerful argument is being a creation of the creator and having a soul and having dominion over the earth. Being a Christian, I cannot do what I'm commanded as a citizen. The best option I have is a national, and that's what I would tell them, and that's what would be in my affidavit as well.
[02:11:23] Unknown:
Okay. Good enough.
[02:11:27] Unknown:
Yes. Who's yes, please. Yes. This is Sketch, and this is for the lady, who was asking about how you find out. The proper term is state you do in a search engines, Department of State, FOIA for personal records, and you will get all the information you need. And, also, Mark, I don't know if you're still there. Is that, letter that you read on nationalstatus.com or dot info?
[02:11:57] Unknown:
No. It's not. Okay. Was it Alright. That was a custom creation.
[02:12:02] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. It's just,
[02:12:04] Unknown:
it's so simple to to and I like it when people address this on their own with without coming and asking. That shows me you're studying and you're learning the information. It's so easy to rebut. You know? Comments. Yes. Okay. I'll I'll I'll let Linda come in here, Tom. Yes, lady Linda.
[02:12:26] Unknown:
Thank you, Tom, for yielding to me. Yes. Lady Linda Louise. Daniel, who spoke, and Lorena, who's in the background, Lorena Jane is her name, you wanted to know her name, both of those folks did not do the Rogers Sales affidavit of citizenship evidence. And when Sketch just recommended how to search at the Department of State, it's a PA, Sketch, private private act, not a FOIA Privacy act.
[02:12:53] Unknown:
That's right. Privacy
[02:12:55] Unknown:
act is what he said.
[02:12:56] Unknown:
Right. It's not FOIA. Right. He's I even have a form letter if you want.
[02:13:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. Very much. I just wanted to make the record clear because it's real easy to get confused when we mix up our words. So I just wanted to say thank you, Molly, for sharing. And, one more thing, if Joe Lustica is still listening, Julie and I could not hear the case. It was versus. There was a lot of static. If Joe could repeat that case that, supports a person is a corporation, we would both appreciate it, and I yield. Thank you.
[02:13:30] Unknown:
All corporations are per all corporations are persons. This isn't something mystical. They get rights and they owe duties. The secretary of state gives them their their person corporate personhood, but you're you're a person. A partnership is a person. Of trust is a person. So it's not exclusive to corporations. And that's what I find our community dwelling on and not understanding that everybody's a person. You gotta get your right to know your duty somewhere.
[02:14:06] Unknown:
And there's no ambiguity with that fact. Okay. We we all understand that. I just was intrigued by the case that Joe Lusticka put in his communication with Yeah. These folks that he was rebutting. That's all. I just thought that was interesting, and I just wanted to read it myself. That's all. Thank you. I I yield. No problem. No problem, dear. Roger.
[02:14:27] Unknown:
Now I'm gonna try to tell you that that
[02:14:32] Unknown:
The the 14th amendment is in opposition to God's law, and Blackstone said, if man makes a law that's opposed to God's law, it's bad law.
[02:14:46] Unknown:
Yep. Well, it's law of the city versus law of the land. Now there's a couple other people wanting to say something. We're past Showtime. You're into my my abbreviated weekend now. Yes. Who is it?
[02:14:59] Unknown:
This is Mark. Just real quick on the the privacy act request. There's a form for it. It's d as in David, s as in Sam, dash 424
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0 dash r. R.
[02:15:18] Unknown:
You'll go to the search engine and type in dsdash424dashr, altogether, no spaces. That will pull up the US Department of State request for individual access to records protected under the privacy act. They have a fill in the form PDF that you can download, type in your information, and send it to them. And it's got the instructions on it. Thank you. Very much. You're welcome.
[02:15:49] Unknown:
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Could you please read the form number one more time?
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D as in David, s as in Sam, dash 420
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dash r.
[02:16:06] Unknown:
Now if I'm not familiar, I may be wrong with this, but I'm pretty sure that form is also available on the nationalstatus.com website that Dave and Kaye run, out of Alabama. Nationalstatus.com. I think you'll find that form out there as well. They have a they have a great, what do you call it? It's an AI assistant that that will find anything that's on that website that's built into their their, program there. And so if you just go there and type it in or even you're searching and you go to the front page, again, that's nationalstatus.com.
Scroll down, you'll see a magnifying glass. It's the search option. You can click on that, type in that form letter, and it should take you right to it.
[02:16:57] Unknown:
Appreciate it so much. Thank you. You're very welcome. Comment.
[02:17:02] Unknown:
Oh, man. My experience over all these years is that they internally do things the way they're supposed to. K? I know people are very skeptical of that. I understand why. My experience is the bureaucracy internally does what they're supposed to do. Tom, hold on. Let me tell this story to these folks. You kind of touched on it, Mark, on you're the growing about Bob. Well, Dave, who's a New Yorker down there in Orlando now, was skeptical and antsy. He calls in, leaves a message, gets a nice guy that calls him back. And he goes, well, I'm just trying to see if I'm a national listed there. And the guy pulls up his profile. He He says, yep. Sure are. And he pulls up his affidavit. Evidently, they got access to it right there on the profile. And he starts reading it. And he goes, wow. This is really good.
He said, we don't have any problem filing these one page things. It's these books that people send us that get shoved to the back of the desk. And then he said something real interesting. He said, we're having so many of these lately. This is about a year ago, that they're having special classes for the employees to teach them how to process them correctly. So that eases your mind, Eddie. Now, Tom.
[02:18:31] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you very much. Hey. The, the is that Mark all caps that's got the bad voice?
[02:18:39] Unknown:
Well, it's not bad now. You should heard him last week.
[02:18:43] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. No. I just I I couldn't even recognize him earlier. But, anyway, well, I hope you feel better. The, the you know, this when I, when I got my passport card, I looked up that coding on under the picture, and it said the coding said that I was a dependent of someone under the age of 18. So I sent in a request to the state department, and it's been over a year now that they have not responded. They they're they're telling me that they're undermanned, and, you know, they'll get to it, you know, whenever. But I asked for Will we change my my letter?
Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, that was that was a year ago I sent it in. Over a year ago. So they they said, I said, what's my status? Do you have my affidavit? What are and what are all these codes mean? I want I want a up to date list of what all these codes on the passport card mean. I said, why do you have me listed as a dependent of someone under the age of 18? And they they just they gave me the name of the woman who was handling it. They gave me her phone number. They gave me her email. I've emailed her. I've left messages and no response. I called back to the state off department, and they said, well, we're just under managed. But, you know, that was 9 months when I called them, and said, what the heck's going on? Oh, we're understaffed. You know, we and we'll get to it when we when we can. You know? But Right. Right.
I also sent I also sent you yeah. I sent you, Paul and Mark a, a link to this Robert Gouve. I don't know if you ever heard of him. He was the one he's an attorney, and he goes through he's been going following Trump's legal battles, and he goes through. He breaks down all the cases. He'll actually bring up the lawsuits and the responses, but he just did one the other yesterday about the 14th amendment about the, you know, the ban on Anchor Babies. Birthright suits. Find very interesting. Yeah. He goes into Dred Scott. He goes into Wong King Arc, a long a long Kim arc, and he is his his opinion is that Trump's ban is constitutional.
And it's it's really interesting, the stuff he found in there. So, you know, you can just listen. You don't really have to watch anything. You can just listen to this guy. But I wonder if he would be he might be a good guy to bring this national issue to and see what he says.
[02:21:21] Unknown:
And then the final thing was you guys The more the more discussion on this, the more chances we are bumping into them on the fringes. Go ahead.
[02:21:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Then and one more thing, you guys, at the beginning, you were talking about weather and, you know, and Trump being out there in California. One of my friends, Roberts, told me that wherever Trump goes, he brings his own weather pattern, because anywhere he goes, there's, melting snowflakes and lots of ice.
[02:21:53] Unknown:
Quick comment.
[02:21:54] Unknown:
That's where he's Okay. Got I put me a minute. I got you. Okay. Good. I had to get that, Tom. Okay. Good. Good. Okay. Barry's there. There's a guy there. The the guy who was there first. Come on.
[02:22:10] Unknown:
This is Sketch, and, the term Department of State FOIA for personal records is under the Privacy Act, I yield.
[02:22:22] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:22:23] Unknown:
Alright. Well, then I'll refile under the privacy act because I did a FOIA.
[02:22:28] Unknown:
Okay. Let's let's clear this up. Part of the reason. Yeah. But FOIA is a freedom of information act
[02:22:34] Unknown:
that is for general information not specific to any person. The Privacy Act is the Privacy Act is specifically for information about you.
[02:22:49] Unknown:
Yes. And if the FOIA the Department of State FOIA for personal records is is under the privacy act, and you can search the term and there's the PDF you can get under the privacy act for the state department. That's all I just wanted to point that out.
[02:23:08] Unknown:
Wow. It's in the chat. Yeah. And and your request should serve a dual purpose so they can't ping pong it back and forth, I yield. Well, the reason the reason I did a FOIA was because I was asking for my information
[02:23:22] Unknown:
and public information. You know, what's the definition of all these, status numbers on the cards and things like that? So but if you submit one of those I'll let you know. I can let you know. Be specific as to what you're looking for. You know, that's one thing they hold on to. Absolutely. I absolutely listed each one on a separate line, each item bulleted.
[02:23:43] Unknown:
Okay. Good deal. Now does anybody else have oh, yes, sir. Go ahead.
[02:23:49] Unknown:
This is Mark. That that form Okay. The the privacy act form by the Department of State at dsdash4240dashr, that is not available on the nationalstatus.com. But if you'll just type in that form number into any search engine,
[02:24:07] Unknown:
it'll immediately find it for you. You're good to go. High yield.
[02:24:12] Unknown:
Thank you, Mark.
[02:24:14] Unknown:
Great. Great, Mark. Good to hear you sounding better, man, and I'll touch with you later. I'm getting out of here and go get some lunch. Okay? So does anybody have anything that's pressing for me? I'm gonna commence my weekend otherwise. Alright. There's the dinner bell. Go bad meats.
[02:24:34] Unknown:
Tell the gringo mayor.
[02:24:36] Unknown:
He's, wait. He said he was just gonna float through this election season, that he was not gonna run again, but he was gonna continue to assume the position. So that was his official statement at lunch on Tuesday. He's gonna assume the position. Okay.
[02:24:54] Unknown:
Thank you, Roger. Yeah. There
[02:24:57] Unknown:
you go. Alright. My apologies. Submitted
[02:25:00] Unknown:
congressman submitted something to make the a congressman submitted a, a proposal to bring Trump let Trump serve another term.
[02:25:11] Unknown:
Yeah. I heard that. I wonder if an Well, then Roosevelt assumption is worth oh, go ahead. I apologize.
[02:25:19] Unknown:
I was gonna say didn't rose wasn't Roosevelt in the 3rd term? Didn't he die in the 3rd term?
[02:25:26] Unknown:
Yeah. He was trying to But then he changed it, but now he's submitting a resolution that says anyone who didn't serve 2 consecutive terms couldn't serve a 3rd.
[02:25:38] Unknown:
Oh, now that's good language. That makes sense. Alright. I'm gonna go contemplate a nice lunch. I will see you guys and girls on Monday. Thank you, Tom. Have a great weekend, and hope your team wins. Ciao ciao.
[02:25:54] Unknown:
Take care, Roger.
[02:26:00] Unknown:
Roosevelt was elected to 4 terms. Just saying.
[02:26:11] Unknown:
And, Larry, if you're still there, somebody was asking in the chat if you could, restate the I guess it was title 8 that you mentioned in the very beginning of your talking to us?
[02:26:27] Unknown:
Yes. It's 8 United States code, chapter 12, paragraph 1401. Nationals and Citizens of the United States at Birth.
[02:26:44] Unknown:
Hey. Thank you so much. Larry. Yeah.
[02:26:47] Unknown:
Hey. That's alright. Got it. I I just have a question for everybody. It's really kind of frustrating that we have to school them in, the law. And I think the phrases we need to focus on is operation of law and pursue it to the law. And so, what is the law? Common law? The constitution? The almighty's law? Which law? Just bear with me.
[02:27:30] Unknown:
My answer to you would be, they don't tell them because they'll be doing it too. And some of them probably have.
[02:27:44] Unknown:
Fair enough. God. Thank you. God for this written on your heart.
[02:27:53] Unknown:
And, Sherry, that's kinda why I mentioned, the, public notary and, the, you know, Blinken and his minions are basically should be, by operational law, just just recording what we request, and they're interfering. And that's why I mentioned that. And I appreciate that, Scott. Yep. And, Samuel, if you you've got a price on that, Protectotherm, let me know.
[02:28:25] Unknown:
Nah. Nothing there. Price on what?
[02:28:29] Unknown:
The the paint, coating for fireproofing. It's called
[02:28:35] Unknown:
I'm gonna have to call him because he hasn't responded again. So but you know, we we talk about all these codes that man's statutes, that man makes. Why not go to the Bible, which is where it all comes from to begin with, and hit him with that? The whole reason the 14th amendment is such an abhorrent thing and is responsible basically for the slaughtering of how many babies, you know, how can we be attached to that as Christians? That's why I like this national status so much. It gives me an option not to be part of that. And nobody cites this stuff that's in the Bible, which is like Genesis 27.
I'm a sold creature created by God. I'm not a feudal slave of these bastards. Okay? Genesis, I think it's 28, gives me dominion. These are the kinds of ideas and concepts are going into my land patent. Being a national, being a Christian, having dominion, refuting that stupid name that nobody wants to believe that makes any difference? Well, plenty of evidence that it does, and, you know, I mean, we can sit on the Bible and there's not a dang thing I think they can do about it.
[02:30:10] Unknown:
Well, I think more important,
[02:30:14] Unknown:
more importantly than that is standing on, what you speak. You know, your affidavit, stating who you are is way more important. And Well, those things should be It may be. For
[02:30:35] Unknown:
for the way I look at it. You know? Well, They can assume I'm a person, but if I if I cite Genesis 27 as who I am, then they don't have an argument anymore.
[02:30:55] Unknown:
Correct. You rebut the presumption. And that's why I'm saying they can, just go on willy nilly until somebody argues or states differently. So state differently.
[02:31:13] Unknown:
If I think Genesis, I I think it's 128. That's the command to take dominion over the earth. That's in my land patent for instance. Right?
[02:31:27] Unknown:
Yeah. So Hey, Samuel. I have a question for you. Sure. I don't know if I'm still loud. Somebody told me not why. Loud. Still?
[02:31:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Still? There's certain I don't know. It there's other people too that make the phone actually crackle. And when you bring it up and they try to make adjustments, it doesn't seem to really help. It's something within, I think, just how the phone is made or something for certain people. Like, and you're one of them. So I don't know if it's really anything you can do about it except maybe get a different device. I don't know.
[02:32:11] Unknown:
Well, that takes money.
[02:32:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I know.
[02:32:17] Unknown:
Well, now I have forgotten my question to you. I yield. Quick interruption
[02:32:23] Unknown:
if if, the person is still wondering about what the numbers on the passport, mean, you can look up the term passport endorsements, and you will find that what the numbers mean and the the letters on your passport or or passport card ID.
[02:32:51] Unknown:
Yeah. And I'll just chat.
[02:32:53] Unknown:
Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[02:32:55] Unknown:
This government that we have is, you know it's like Blackstone said. I'll I can say it again. If man makes law that is opposed to god's law, which the 14th amendment certainly is, you know, it's bad law. And but we're not in that common law anymore. They've they've got us in this equity situation, which is whatever they say it is.
[02:33:26] Unknown:
No. Don't you think, Samuel, the only reason that you're in that is because you haven't complained or stated otherwise?
[02:33:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, we do accept a lot of things that we should not accept. Correct. And do not consent There's there's other warnings in the bible too that and and why I think it's important that we include these things in our affidavits and our documents is God tells us that if you forget me, I'll forget you.
[02:34:01] Unknown:
Yeah. And he also tells us, do not trust any man.
[02:34:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Well
[02:34:15] Unknown:
Well, there's something to be said for that. You're trusting that the people in the government are telling you the truth. Don't believe it.
[02:34:29] Unknown:
We saw it about getting out of Babylon here. Well, that means to me that we have as little to do with the system as we possibly can, but we are forced to be in it. Right?
[02:34:41] Unknown:
Just by physically Or are we? Oh, okay.
[02:34:47] Unknown:
So, you know, citing chapter and verse of an evil system to me just when we got to the bible to to cite this is, I don't know, it's a no brainer for me to to go there because it is the ultimate law book.
[02:35:05] Unknown:
The oldest is best, and it came before the statutes
[02:35:14] Unknown:
even at large.
[02:35:17] Unknown:
Sorry. But I have to bring this up. You you mentioned men. Can't trust men. Well
[02:35:25] Unknown:
Oh, I don't want to.
[02:35:28] Unknown:
Well, okay. But who who wrote the book? Men?
[02:35:34] Unknown:
That's my whole point. That is my whole point. That, those words are written on a piece of paper, and you can't, you can't question them because they're no longer here. But the affidavit that you write, let them question you if they so choose. That was a subject brought up last night on scriptures about in whom do you trust? Can't even trust the prophets in the Old Testament. They're mere men. And and the men who wrote those scriptures, do you trust them?
[02:36:23] Unknown:
I don't know what to say. That's a big question.
[02:36:27] Unknown:
Mhmm. Well, it goes to what you just said, Sketch.
[02:36:31] Unknown:
Yep. Yep. About
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and whom do you trust? And then it hearkens back to, he will write the scripture on your heart. Therefore, you know it comes from him. Yep. He will write his word on your heart. You don't need it from a piece of paper with ink written by men.
[02:37:00] Unknown:
Touche. I I love it. Thank you, Sherry.
[02:37:03] Unknown:
That's why often the common law is the is the law unwritten. It was just known.
[02:37:08] Unknown:
Right? Yeah.
[02:37:10] Unknown:
Thank you, Samuel.
[02:37:12] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you, Samuel. So last night, I came across, information that the the pineal gland and how to activate it is talked about in the bible, which was very interesting to me. I can put links to the chat or send them to you, Samuel, via email if you're interested. I yield.
[02:37:37] Unknown:
Did you did you know the place where, was it Jacob wrestled with, God, the name of the place.
[02:37:54] Unknown:
It it it then, it starts with a p e n, I think. Is that right?
[02:38:00] Unknown:
Pinyo. Pinyo.
[02:38:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And, the the site site came across, talk to that, Pinyo.
[02:38:13] Unknown:
Yes. It says in the bible, I have come face to face with God. I have seen God, and and the place is called Paineil.
[02:38:23] Unknown:
Yes.
[02:38:24] Unknown:
It's inside. Yeah. And we're in an and we're in an astrological alignment today.
[02:38:31] Unknown:
Well, there might be a time when science, aligned with the truth. Mhmm. Yeah. I just don't think so so much now. Now they're trying to hide it. That's interesting. If you could give me, the chapter. I'm sure it's in the old testament where a pineal is written, and you said Jacob.
[02:39:13] Unknown:
Yes. Just about I'll I'll find it for you in just a sec if nobody else can. And I'm putting 3 links in the chat that I found yes last night.
[02:39:23] Unknown:
Thank you. Another another curious thing in the bible that I've never gotten an answer to or but it sure sure is there. It it's like it's it's in Leviticus about uncleanliness. Right? One of the things that I find very curious is a woman was considered unclean 7 days after the birth of a boy, but 14 after the birth of a girl. Why would that be?
[02:40:04] Unknown:
I don't even know if I heard of that. I would say it speaks to the unclean uncleanness, on the menstrual cycle, that a girl is going to deal with that and that may be. I don't know. Separately,
[02:40:29] Unknown:
of course, but, just the birth of the genders is, I've never have it had it really explained to me. I'm just wondering if anybody else may have heard something about it.
[02:40:44] Unknown:
Ask a nurse or a gynecologist.
[02:40:51] Unknown:
Well, I'm not so sure they would have the answer. True. True.
[02:40:58] Unknown:
The answer will come. It's on its way because the question has been asked.
[02:41:04] Unknown:
Fair enough.
[02:41:06] Unknown:
It's it's more of a spiritual, thing, I'm sure. Mean Not physical. Yep.
[02:41:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly. Not literal. This is why we, get confused. That's true.
[02:41:19] Unknown:
Well, I don't know. The Native Americans acknowledged the same, principles when it came to, birthing of children and how they were set apart from the camp. So, there is something to do with cleanliness, And I don't know if it harkens back to, you know, the female has, a different, genitalia that may I don't even know how to explain it. But we have folds and stuff that cause a little bit different cleaning I yield.
[02:42:18] Unknown:
Would it be estrogen?
[02:42:22] Unknown:
No. I'm talking about the folds of skin and stuff. You know? The male is pretty straightforward.
[02:42:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I know that, but I'm talking about as far as the unfriendliness, could it be more estrogen?
[02:42:39] Unknown:
Could be, Brent.
[02:42:41] Unknown:
Sure. That could be. There are 20 21, verses in the bible about the pineal gland. And can you get the chat?
[02:42:55] Unknown:
Oh, I'm not in on Okay. Alright. The conference. But if you send us to Samuel,
[02:43:01] Unknown:
maybe he'll forward that. That'd be great. You just go go go on to Yandex and search pineal gland in the Bible, and you will come up with 22 verses, different different books for, you know I mean, there's Matthew, Luke, Genesis, Ecclesiastes, and John. So there's lots
[02:43:27] Unknown:
of lots of verses mentioning the about the pineal gland. That's very interesting. Put the why do you think they put fluoride in the water across the world? Because they're calcified. Gland. Mhmm. That little gland gets first calcified out. That's your first eye.
[02:43:49] Unknown:
You know what's really interesting?
[02:43:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Yes. It is. So The church the church and the state together have hidden these things.
[02:44:00] Unknown:
Yeah. And the churches of 501c3, which is the creation of the state. Yep. Bear in mind. Mhmm. But last night, what was brought forth on a conversation I had, And it had to do with the principle of trusting in men and the scripture. And so, all of the Old Testament was written by men. And who we have to align ourselves with, and still the New Testament is written by man. So but the example that Yahushua brought to us. So, yeah, it's still written by men, and that's why he wrote it on our hearts so we would know the difference. What comes from him?
[02:45:06] Unknown:
A sketch? Yeah. I don't wanna hear about a Khaleesi's nasty ass.
[02:45:11] Unknown:
Okay. Sounds good. It's nasty. So so, about speaking about the one eye, the eye is the this is from Matthew 6.22 through 23. The eye is the lamp of the body. So if your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light, But it is your eye but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness. So open up that one eye.
[02:45:48] Unknown:
And that's done through meditation by going within. Christ said that the kingdom of heaven is where?
[02:45:55] Unknown:
Within Where?
[02:45:57] Unknown:
Correct. So that means to close your double eyes, which can't see diddly squat. Some of us have 4 eyes, and and readers on top of those, but you close your eyes and to this world and your senses. And because God is not in the clamor of the mind of man, He's outside of that, and the Kingdom is not of this world. But so again the Church and the State have done things to separate us from our first eye or from God or the place of pineal and plug them into their craft so we could be slaves and and and support them because they don't create anything. They're just parasites Amen. Which is the
[02:46:47] Unknown:
k. Can I break in just a second, folks? Yeah. Is Merca still here? Merca? Hello? Is Merca still here? Anybody? No? No. No. She's gone? Okay. Alright. I just I tried to send her an email, and it says her mailbox is full. So hopefully anyway, I'm gonna bug out everybody. Have a good day. Thanks, for a great show, you know, Rob. I would just suggest
[02:47:17] Unknown:
reach to her out on Telegram.
[02:47:20] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. I'll I'll go over there. Thank you. You all have a good one. Have a good weekend. Bye bye.
[02:47:28] Unknown:
Bye. Okay. Back to our Roger conversation. I think what we have to focus on is operation of law and, what was the new phrase in that letter that was put forth under oh, hold on. Of course, they didn't say due process, but, those are the phrases. And, sadly, we have to educate them on what their duty bound to uphold.
[02:48:42] Unknown:
We have to educate them on what their duties actually are.
[02:48:48] Unknown:
Correct. And with the operation of law. But what was the phrase that was put forth today? Which means the same thing, but I don't know. I thought I had typed it out in a text, and now I can't find it.
[02:49:13] Unknown:
It wasn't scope and purview, was it?
[02:49:17] Unknown:
Say it again.
[02:49:19] Unknown:
Scope and purview, I don't think that's what you were
[02:49:23] Unknown:
No. It was in that letter that people were speaking about today. They didn't use the operation of law, but they used a new phrase, started with a d.
[02:49:56] Unknown:
Definition of law.
[02:49:59] Unknown:
No. It was anyway, I'll have to listen to the recording to get that phrase.
[02:50:12] Unknown:
That was gonna be my suggestion as well as looking at the transcript and every jot and tittle.
[02:50:21] Unknown:
I think it's a pretty easy thing for anybody to understand that one status allows you to obey your creator and one stator status doesn't.
[02:50:36] Unknown:
May I thank lady Linda, except for as provided by law, they changed the phrase
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to
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failed. May I have questions,
[02:50:54] Unknown:
Gatch, if he's still here on one of his comments?
[02:50:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Sure, William. I'll try.
[02:51:01] Unknown:
I'll bet. Okay. Thank you, buddy. Yeah. I've been, taking notes, but I also missed the one from Larry on the US code. But, you mentioned one about the explanation of the letters on your passport. Is there a link for that?
[02:51:21] Unknown:
Yeah. It is in the chat. Yeah. But I can say it out loud. It's called passport endorsements. Okay. My car's car's gonna start up here and and so I'm gonna have to yield for a minute. Well, yeah, I'll just try it out just a minute.
[02:51:40] Unknown:
Okay. Cool. It's it's it's
[02:51:42] Unknown:
it's fam, f a m, 5 or sorry. 8 fam 505 dot 2.2. That'll get you close enough. Just Google that.
[02:51:55] Unknown:
Okay. Great. Cool.
[02:51:58] Unknown:
8fam 505.2.
[02:52:04] Unknown:
Excellent. It also helps if you put the word endorsements in.
[02:52:11] Unknown:
Okay. Cool.
[02:52:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I'd like to check my Can you repeat that again, please?
[02:52:20] Unknown:
Sam dot 5052.2.
[02:52:24] Unknown:
The the number the number 8, f a m 505.2
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0.2.
[02:52:35] Unknown:
Thanks. No problem.
[02:52:48] Unknown:
Please don't hold.
[02:52:52] Unknown:
It's not me.
[02:53:00] Unknown:
Me neither.
[02:53:21] Unknown:
How about the whole getting on here and, shutting that off?
[02:53:25] Unknown:
The wall?
[02:53:29] Unknown:
I know he's sleeping.
[02:53:35] Unknown:
Well, can't you see who it's coming from? Y'all? Thank you.
[02:53:46] Unknown:
Nope. That was just a pause.
[02:53:54] Unknown:
Okay. Did did did the did you guys get the, password in endorsement's website?
[02:54:01] Unknown:
I I I got them pulled up, but I can't hit I can't see where the national is on here.
[02:54:09] Unknown:
1 or 9.
[02:54:13] Unknown:
I I don't see a 9 on here.
[02:54:16] Unknown:
You got it. I'll wait and scroll down. It's it's 8 fam
[02:54:21] Unknown:
505.2.
[02:54:24] Unknown:
You have to get that second point too. You don't have to type that in, but that second point 2 is the section that has the passport endorsement. I think it's on page 6 ish.
[02:54:38] Unknown:
Okay. I'm trying. I I have all the the endorsements. It says code, and it has all these codes under here. But I don't see o 9. Oh, I see o 9. I see. Thank you guys so much. Thank you very much.
[02:55:00] Unknown:
Can you download the whole foreign affairs manual?
[02:55:06] Unknown:
Could you read o 9 and what it says? Yeah. It says it says the bearer is a United States national and not a United States citizen placed in the passport book issued to a US national who is not a citizen. US National will be printed instead of USA on the front of the passport card. So the person who had USA printed before who was talking about it not being correct, I guess that means she's right. It's it needs to say US National. Prior to the creation of this endorsement in 1992, the bearer's status as a non citizen US national was indicated by circling the world word national or crossing out the word citizen in the secretary's message on the signature page of the US passport. That's interesting.
[02:56:03] Unknown:
Wait a minute. It gave you permission to alter the document. Read that again, please.
[02:56:10] Unknown:
Okay. The whole thing?
[02:56:14] Unknown:
This part gave you permission to drop out something.
[02:56:18] Unknown:
Okay. I don't know. It says it says prior to the creation of this endorsement in 1992, the bearer's status as a noncitizen US National was indicated by circling the word national or crossing out the word citizen in the secretary's message on the signature page of the US passport.
[02:56:44] Unknown:
Okay. So we cannot do that anymore, a yield.
[02:56:50] Unknown:
It sounds to me like it does not say that we can't do that anymore. It just says prior to.
[02:56:56] Unknown:
And it was noncitizen
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national. We are not that.
[02:57:05] Unknown:
Is this on your card or your your book?
[02:57:09] Unknown:
The book.
[02:57:11] Unknown:
Both?
[02:57:14] Unknown:
No. Just the book.
[02:57:16] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[02:57:18] Unknown:
But in online, they're saying you're a United States national, and I think that I mean, I just don't like the word United States before national because that means District of Columbia.
[02:57:30] Unknown:
You know what is interesting about that? And, Julie, I just may say, when it comes to executive orders, they say under the laws of the United States of America. Ain't that interesting? Mhmm.
[02:57:51] Unknown:
What I want them to know is that first and foremost, I'm a Christian. I want to have them acknowledge that, and for that reason, I'm picking national status because that gives me the best access as a Christian to how I wanna live my life.
[02:58:09] Unknown:
Under the doctrine of necessity.
[02:58:15] Unknown:
This just seems to refer to an American Samoa and not to somebody who is a state citizen in the way I'm reading it.
[02:58:30] Unknown:
I think that Her last name ain't Gaffer.
[02:58:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Hi. I'm all mentioned that I think you there was some there was something about alien alien US National or something.
[02:58:46] Unknown:
I'm I'm gonna also ask him to spell my name as a Christian in my application.
[02:59:04] Unknown:
And I just wanna mention that, I think the Copper Moon, still, outsource process. They do mark up the top right of the passport application with, I think, National or something. I forgot what it what they say to mark up there on the top right corner.
[02:59:29] Unknown:
Right. It's a box, and I can't remember Yeah. The box number that you said, 09.
[02:59:37] Unknown:
Yeah. There's a box that says an e n d number, and there's also a big huge white blank box that has nothing in it where you can write national.
[02:59:49] Unknown:
Right. And it does not say for official use only.
[02:59:56] Unknown:
Yeah. They don't want you to do that.
[02:59:59] Unknown:
Well but what I'm saying is never write in a box that says for official use only, and that box does not. Correct. So
[03:00:12] Unknown:
And I didn't write in there, so I didn't get the box where I wanted. So I'm all right to redo it and mark in that box?
[03:00:21] Unknown:
Well, I got an o an a o seven, which designates me as an ambassador. So I don't know. And is what they stipulate who I am more important than what I said, who I am? I don't think so.
[03:00:52] Unknown:
I don't I agree totally. I mean, we are who we say we are. You know? And just like, is it Terry Lee or the other Lee? Randy Lee. Randy Lee says I am who I say I am in this court case.
[03:01:16] Unknown:
And we are made in his image. So absolutely.
[03:01:33] Unknown:
In the in the book of the 100, it, it talks about, you know, land in elodeon, and for those that are trying to do that, According to the guys who wrote the book, The 100, they, they're saying that a true elodium can only come through an inheritance. And of course, you know, we have left these things long behind us but you can take that inheritance through Jesus Christ as a Christian. So, here's sort of what they say. Recall that the earth of the lords and the fullness thereof. That's Psalms 24 1. That as a Christian, we are made joint heirs with Christ. And they cite Galatians and stuff that proves that.
In god's law is the means to inherit and thus acquire true title to land in elodium. It awaits every Christian who truly seeks to act in the mode and character of 1, who by virtue of his godly inheritance has the right to be free and unencumbered use of the land inherited through Jesus Christ. So I'm gonna be working that into my, land patent documents, which I also have labeled as elodial elodium and, covenant. And covenant was picked so that the keywords in real estate law will better recognize covenant than they will land patent or Elodian. But it certainly plays right into the hand of everything I'm saying in my document that this is really a covenant with my creator.
So
[03:03:37] Unknown:
Samuel, that point really is good territory for a Supreme Court case to be bought that they took it away supposedly during the bankruptcy. And, you know, when they took all over the land and the titles of the land back then, you know, I I think you'd have a good case, but it's gonna take you 15, 20 years to get it there.
[03:04:03] Unknown:
Oh, I'm not even gonna worry about it. The case is solved. It's in the Bible. They can look up the chapters and verse. God said it, not me. Not them. They're nothing compared to my creator.
[03:04:13] Unknown:
And that's Correct. And he owns everything. Yep. That's the original trust settlement.
[03:04:24] Unknown:
Oh, I agree.
[03:04:28] Unknown:
I agree. So I really have a problem with people putting things into trust and man's law.
[03:04:37] Unknown:
Trust all our inequity. That's one thing that really concerns me for people who think this is a good place to, actually do something that's not Christian, and that's to avoid liability.
[03:04:51] Unknown:
Correct. Liable or not.
[03:04:54] Unknown:
Well, the only the only reason I brought up the Supreme Court case would be that it established as precedent for everybody in the the in the in in the good old America. I yield.
[03:05:09] Unknown:
Only if we consent to it.
[03:05:14] Unknown:
Yeah. And and and and, Sketch, why would I give more authority to the supreme court when they've overturned themselves something like 250 times when my maker has never made a mistake and never will?
[03:05:32] Unknown:
No. I agree. I I I I see both sides, but I it's like like, I I wanna free all of America. You know? That's the only reason I brought it up as a life.
[03:05:46] Unknown:
Fair enough. America's
[03:05:48] Unknown:
gonna be bigger soon.
[03:05:49] Unknown:
Yep. Yep.
[03:06:00] Unknown:
Well, the almighty wants to free us all, but not everybody's listening.
[03:06:10] Unknown:
Well, that's what's in my heart.
[03:06:20] Unknown:
Yeah. He says my yoke will be light and easy to bear versus what man has done.
[03:06:31] Unknown:
Good knowledge. Call.
[03:06:33] Unknown:
Hey, Samuel. How do you write your name in Christian? Is that all lowercase?
[03:06:44] Unknown:
Baptismal name is important. So your middle name, upper and lowercase. Yeah. But all the baptismal name for sure, I'm I'm I haven't come to my own conclusion on that. Whether I'm gonna include my surname, I probably will because it's I have so much history with writing it that way, you know, with the surnames. But not so much history with my middle name. You know, I like a dummy, I did what they told me when I filled up my first w two, right, was middle initial. And I started signing my name that way like a a robot. You know?
[03:07:26] Unknown:
How's your mom rated? How did your mother write your name?
[03:07:37] Unknown:
Sammy.
[03:07:40] Unknown:
Oh, no. I'm talking about your documentation of who you were to the world.
[03:07:48] Unknown:
Oh, in the the the certificate of live birth and stuff like that. Yeah. The the full middle name is there.
[03:07:54] Unknown:
Correct. Upper and lower case. Of course. Yes. Uh-huh. Does that correlate it shall stand. I yield.
[03:08:07] Unknown:
I was just wondering, does that correlate to what your name is on the Social Security card or your birth certificate?
[03:08:14] Unknown:
No.
[03:08:17] Unknown:
Oh, that's that that, in my opinion, is their their their their corporate or trust creation so that they can rule over you and don't have to deal with the flesh and blood person.
[03:08:33] Unknown:
So if your name is one thing on Social Security card and different on your birth certificate, what does that tell you? There's several accounts in those names then. Right?
[03:08:47] Unknown:
I would just correct you. Your Social Security card and your birth certificate are all caps. But how your mother wrote out that document is way different. The certificate of live birth are yield.
[03:09:10] Unknown:
Thanks, Sherry.
[03:09:12] Unknown:
Yeah. On on mine, it was supposed to be mom's signature, but it would actually, I think she was busy with me and, that filled it out. So he signed it.
[03:09:25] Unknown:
Your father was the signee?
[03:09:30] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:09:31] Unknown:
Informer.
[03:09:33] Unknown:
Informant. You got mine too. Interesting. Thanks, Samuel. Thank you.
[03:10:10] Unknown:
And, Joan, the answer is yes. Those are the only two links I I think I sent you.
[03:10:17] Unknown:
Thank you.
[03:10:22] Unknown:
Randy Lee says all the time that his advocate and counselor is, Jesus Christ.
[03:10:31] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm wondering in that document who they are informing. So
[03:10:46] Unknown:
Here's a a quote from the case. For the record, Randy Lee and Jesus, the Christ advocate, and wonderful counselor are using the right of visitation to exercise ministerial powers to be heard on this matter. I yield.
[03:11:15] Unknown:
Alright. Back to the informant thing. You have a right to confront your accuser. But when you're a newborn, how do you do that? And sadly enough, it's your mom.
[03:11:32] Unknown:
I'd like to respond to what Sketch just cited there that, you know, people like Stanford Judge basically says if you appear in court they have jurisdiction. The reason he went to Jesus Christ, again a higher authority as his counselor and advocate, he was trying to avoid that other appearance that would give them jurisdiction, and I think that wording is very important for that reason.
[03:12:09] Unknown:
Yep. I agree.
[03:12:14] Unknown:
Because just showing up or even saying that the name isn't your name, they consider that proof that it's your name, and that's jurisdiction.
[03:12:25] Unknown:
Yep. And, Sherry, yes. I agree. And, Sherry, I do remember a court case. It was IRS case, actually. And I think the judge said, you know, you're you're, Joe Blow and a citizen of the United States. And he goes, well, you know, when I came out of the womb, I I don't know. I have no memory of that, so I can't tell you. And, you'll have to ask my mom, but she's dead. So there you go. And the judge couldn't answer back once he said that. I yield.
[03:13:29] Unknown:
Bottom line is we have to know who we are and where we came from. I yield.
Introduction and Host Welcome
Saturday Shows and Their Purpose
Discussion on Previous Shows and Listener Feedback
Trump's Visit to California and Observations
Insurance Companies and California Legislation
Corporations and State Creation
Listener Question on US Citizenship and Nationality
American Samoa and US Nationality
Understanding US Citizenship and Nationality
Passport Application and Political Status
Plessy vs. Ferguson and Political Status
Brown vs. Board of Education and Its Implications
Passport Oath and Political Status
Responding to Passport Application Letters
Discussion on National Status and Legal Responses
Listener Questions and Clarifications
Biblical References and Personal Beliefs
Discussion on Spirituality and Law
