In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles navigates a complex discussion on various topics, including the intricacies of IRS communications and the implications of national status. The conversation delves into the recent issuance of CP 59 letters by the IRS, which some listeners have received. Roger and his guests discuss the importance of responding to these letters, the potential consequences of ignoring them, and the strategies for maintaining one's national status. The episode also touches on historical legal cases, such as Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown v. Board of Education, exploring their implications on citizenship and race relations.
Additionally, the episode covers a range of other topics, including property disputes, the influence of long-term governmental plans, and the historical context of civil rights. Roger and his guests engage in a lively debate about the motivations behind historical events like the Civil War and the role of religious and political influences over time. The show concludes with reflections on the importance of vigilance and awareness in navigating legal and governmental systems.
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Oh, Alvin. Oh, Alvin. So would we, my friend. We try. We try. We try. And we'll continue to try. We'll see if we can affect it just a little bit. Here's another stab at it on Saturday, the Sabado edition. And it is the fourteenth as we've got past the thirteenth, I guess. The fourteenth here. Very well, we'll see how the fourteenth is gonna turn out as we get through it. Today is going to be, could be quite volatile. We'll see Radio Ranch here. You're dialed into with host Roger Sales. And, boy, we use it. Paul's usually got a whole bunch of folks, but except on Saturday, I don't think that's the, the routine. I believe we have a light compliment. Paul, is that correct?
Yes. We do. What was the assisting assisting platforms? Is that what we could classify them as?
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Yes. We are just on, eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, Global Voice Network. It's radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And we're also, connected to free conference call so so people can join us on the show. Very, very light, very light day.
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Well, it's, and sometimes some of the the best shows of the week are on Saturday because of I don't know why. Just because Saturday. Saturdays and Thursdays seem to be the different days to me. So, anyway, here we go. Of course, it's the, the fourteenth, and, it's, president Trump's birthday. Mhmm. Oh, who I've I've just lost a little bit of of my get up and go for mister Trump with this, Iran thing. And I'm really, really sorry that that has happened. It shouldn't have happened. It's also the two hundred and fiftieth, anniversary of the army, I'm told.
I believe someone said it's flag day. I don't know if those two are intentionally assigned on the same day. And, it's the big parade in, DC, which evidently, Paul, they said, one of the, the bad sponsors said they're not gonna put a a cell, if you will, in, DC because they don't want it to gain any attention. They want the attention to be in the other places in the country they're planning on burning down or whatever the hell their plans are. We'll we'll find out as we go forward. But, it's gonna be a very eventful day nonetheless. And, I don't know. There may be RV events starting. I I have no idea, but maybe some in the audience do.
I would assume it's a little early for the the little boy and girl freaks to get out and do their communistic crap, but it may not be. You just never know. Well, it seems they've already started. Have they? Okay. Where where have they started already?
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Brooklyn Park, Minnesota from Fox nine. Two Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses were shot by someone impersonating a police officer. Sources confirmed to Fox nine rep Melissa Horton and her husband, Mark, were killed. Senator John Hoffman and his wife were shot in the overnight shootings in Champlin. Minnesota governor Tim Walz is cautiously optimistic they will survive. So four people were shot, two died, one in stable condition and one in unknown condition at this time.
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I that is not a good way to start this morning. Was that last night that that happened, or is that already happened this morning?
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That that was overnight. The shooting occurred in Brooklyn Park and Champlin, Minnesota.
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Okay. Obviously, around Minneapolis, Saint Paul, I would think. Both Democrats. Both Democrats?
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Yeah.
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Some were dressed up as a cop, impersonating a cop, came up and shot them, murdered two of them?
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In their homes
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overnight. In their in their homes. Oh my god. Yep. Started moving from the apartment
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to Champlin, and they've got Champlin locked down with, police and, armored vehicles and everything else.
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Wow. Well, let's hope that's not the norm, around the country. These, I've I've run out of adjectives for them. They're they're they're the most detestable scum that has ever walked the face of the earth, and they've been doing this crap for a long time. And it's coming to some sort of a head. I I just am quite the thing is, no. Israel attacked Iran, except that on the way back. of all, they evidently had you gotta tip your you know, what was what was Brent saying yesterday about respecting your fellow man? And I was thinking I wanted to inject whether you like them or not. Because I hate these bastards, but you gotta respect the way they do things, and you gotta be aware of it. You gotta know their MO so that you're a little bit aware of as they lay these long term plans out.
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Mhmm.
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Because they've been Owen came up yesterday with another headline from 1984, some newspaper. Oh, Iran's gonna have a nuclear bomb in two weeks. That that's forty years they've been monarch. And then, as I mentioned, I believe yesterday, there was a point where he went through Netanyahu got elected the time or appointed or whatever the hell they do with these maniac wackos over there in about 1996, I think. And he harped on Iran for a couple of years. And then around 09/11, he shut up, I guess. And, about 02/2003, they started up again, and Owen went through every year with a quote. '3, 02/2004, 02/2005, '2 all the way up to 2025 every year.
It's twenty two years of next week. Next week. It's coming next week. And then they finally get the okay. They want us to do it for them, of all, and then and then that isn't gonna fly through any of those administrations. And, and then they go ahead and do it themselves, but they had support from us. And there was a support on the front end, and I've forgotten what that was. And then there's support on the back end. And the back end that I do remember is there's a, in Qatar, you know, all the hubbub about Qatar, Paul? Mhmm. Lately. And there's a base they have there for refueling with those refuelers, and they, Jordan gave them permission to fly over their airspace, and they, went in and topped off the Israeli jets as they headed home to make sure they'd have enough fuel.
So, whether it was overtly and directly or indirectly like this and the other way, I wish I could remember the other thing. We, we have aided them in this, and, I'm afraid we're gonna pay the piper on this. We'll see. Anyway, it's a it's a sad situation to me to and I I just don't know everything or what's gonna happen. I guess they've retaliated a a little with some of their missiles. They've got some pretty good stockpile of missiles evidently, and they've sent some missiles over there to, Satan's sandbox, but I believe they've taken care of some of them with their Golden Dome, of course, which we gave them and, our involvement again. And, but maybe some of them got few. I don't believe they had any warheads on them because who knows if Iran's got nuclear warheads. They've been saying they're not interested in it for a long time.
Of course, they have been helping to supply weapons to the other people that hate these these bastards in that in their backyard. And The US is very culpable here. They knew what was gonna go on, and, the control of our government by these sleazy bastards. And that was back in, I guess, around the forties and around when I was born, '48, I believe, is when Forrestal, a real royal royal loyal blooded American was, the state department. The circulating paper was this will absolutely call cause pandemonium in that part of the world, recognizing the Israelis have given them a state. And, of course, mister Forrestal, for his efforts, took a swan dive off the Bethesda Naval Hospital, room he was in.
And, he's nobody else has got an answer for these bastards, folks. Nobody else except us little guys and girls right here. We got the answer that shuts them up. It's the only time. I've studied this stuff a lot over many years, and I've never seen anywhere anyone had these son of a bitches backed into a corner like we do. Never. In history, I've never seen it. Does anybody in the audience come across anything like we've got on these guys ever in history?
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No. But the quest the question is, collateral damage is a thing. You know? I mean, we've got them, we've got them locked down, but in but as chaos evolves, the the best thing we could do is just stay out of the way. That's
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Well, you Oh, man. You know, the only thing they're scared of in the whole world is people. They're not they got plenty of money. They got a lot of influence. The the but they're scared as hell of the people rising up because they are very well aware of that relationship where there's, like, billions of us and a couple of thousand of them. And even though those people aren't free, they're scared of them. Right. Somebody trying to say something there? Tom. Tom?
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Yeah. I'm, Hey, Tom. I'm watching this thing. How are you doing?
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I could be doing better if this shit wasn't going on. I I when I woke up, I mean, today, I heard no one talking about it. The,
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I'm listening to the I'm listening to this hypocrite, governor. What's his face?
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Walls? Tim
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tampon Tim. Oh, we need to settle our things, you know, peacefully. We need to, you know, we not don't have violence and all that. You know what? You guys are the king of violence. Why don't you tell that to all your little followers? And, now they said they found a manifesto in the police car, a list of, a list of people that were gonna be taken out. So, you know, had this been a Republican, they probably wouldn't even have heard about it. Very interesting. Just just discuss me. This guy is such a hypocrite. Oh, we can settle our differences. We don't need to do violence. Yeah. Well, what about all your criminal friends there?
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Yeah. What about his pisses me off when I watch something like this. What about his wife when he was running with, Kamala, and his wife had a sound bite from back in the Minneapolis destruction days of BLM? And, his his wife his wife said, well, I love to open the window and smell the burning tires or whatever she said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's really pretty pretty funny. Tires in the morning. Bitch. You commie, bitch.
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I know.
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Yep. I know. And and, you know, and they're just rolling in now. It's just, you know, some kind of excuse now that the is it gonna light up the whole country, today? You know, who we don't know who the hell it was. It could have been a it could be another re you know, just trying to get everybody wound up so they can go in there. And, when people start getting violent, go in there and take everybody out.
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Right. Tom, can you talk right in your phone? Are you on your magic head or, Tom, are you on your magic headset today? I'm on the phone. I'm on the phone. I'm on the phone. Not the Are you talking right into the microphone? Because you sound you're not you're we can hear you, but you sound a little distant. So oh, well, we'll do the things we hear. Yeah. Just gotta
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just clear up there.
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I was trying to pull him down a little bit. So stuff, and it's pissing me off.
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I know. I I get pissed off. I'll just sit back and listen. Okay. Well, no. Don't help me communicate if we don't have it. Rather than me get up here in soapbox for two hours. I don't know how many folks we've got with us today. But, yeah, it's just really syncing. There's some folks. Okay. Yeah. Somebody got something to add here?
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Yes, sir. I got something, Roger.
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God. You sound worse than Tom. We're, can you talk right in your microphone?
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I'm working on it. I'm talking right into it. I'm on a landline, cordless, and I've got
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it right in front of my mouth on speaker. Alright. Alright. We're we're alright. Go ahead with what you got, your piece.
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Well, I just had an update. I hadn't chimed in in probably over a year. I listen all the time. I'm a national and gone through the process, you know. Got my affidavit on file with the secretary of state and bunch of agencies, including the IRS. Did it over three years ago. And Good. Last Thursday excuse me?
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I said good. Last last
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last Thursday, I, got a something in the mail from the IRS that I thought I would share with the group.
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Okay. Is it a CP 59 letter?
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Yep. It is. Yep. So there you go. Everybody else is getting I'm pretty sure I heard Mark in all caps talking about this with the lady that got one on the program here a few weeks ago. It's, it was triggered, I think, by the, inflation reduction act, probably. But, anyway, I've got a letter that I wrote that I'm I think it's okay. I thought I'd run it by y'all and see what you think of it Okay. Before I mail it because I am going to get it turned around Monday morning. I'm treating it like a confirmatory writing. I don't trust these people.
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Yeah. You got every So this is my letter.
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So this is my letter. My my address, my greeting is to the Internal Revenue Service. Enclosed, please find a copy of the correspondence I received from the IRS and a copy of my citizenship evidence that has been on file with the US Secretary of State and the Internal Revenue Service for over three years. As a nonresident alien individual, I am not required to file a federal income tax return. This is because I have provided The US secretary of state with citizenship evidence indicating my intent to be a US national, which is deceptively labeled a nonresident alien in CFR title twenty six one point one dash one a.
US nationals are considered nonresident aliens for r IRS purposes. Nonresident alien individuals are only liable for the constitutional taxes described in section six seventy one b and six seventy seven b of the IRS code. Eight eight eight seventy one and seventy seven,
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not six. So It's not correct. That. It's 8. No. It's 8. 8. 871 and 877
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8. Okay. Good. Let me I'm gonna make a note of that right here because I'm gonna be reprinting this. 887.
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Okay. Got that. You might wanna go ahead and remove US national and just put national.
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Yep. You might wanna take The US out of there. I don't think it'll mess you up, but then you absolutely know you're correct. K?
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Okay. And then, so where was the so yeah. So, nonresident alien individuals are only liable for event I accrue earnings that fall under sections eight seventy one b or eight seventy seven b, I will pay those taxes. My intent is to pay all taxes that are lawful. Income from my labor is not subject to income tax assessment, and since I am not a US citizen or a resident, I am not required to file yearly returns. Please adjust your records to reflect that I am a nonresident alien individual and not required to file a ten forty form. I send this in good faith and with clean hands. Regards.
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That's good. That's very good. Just straighten out the eight seventy one and eight seventy seven, and you ought to be fine. Alright. Okay. Hey. I was hoping to do that. I'm sitting there thinking I'm sitting there thinking Mark's gonna is supposed to be with us on Saturdays, and by golly Well, you said taxes, didn't you? You said taxes, like, three times. So I know. Came out like a genie out of the bottle. Well, good morning, everyone. That we're we're hearing from. What what was your name again?
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This is Matt in Tennessee.
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Oh, okay, Matt. I haven't talked
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yeah. I haven't called in a while, but I I I'm always listening, though. I I usually catch the archive. I keep up. I just don't contribute much. But since I've got this stuff that's happening, I figured I would contribute to this department.
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Matt, do you What, do you have that What town? You have that CP 59 letter in front of you by chance?
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Yes. I do. Okay. Go ahead, Roger. We'll come back. We'll circle back to that. Gonna ask him what town. I'm trying to jog my memory. What town are you in in the great state of Tennessee?
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I am in the the big town of Palmersville.
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Oh, boy. Okay. That was that was on the map. Where is that? Is that between Nashville and Memphis? I'm literally about
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about two hours Northeast of Memphis. And, I I am literally about 12 miles from a town called Podunk, Kentucky.
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Okay. So you're close to the river and the border. Okay. Odunk or Paducah?
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Paducah is about fifty minutes.
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Okay. Okay. I've been I've been to Paducah. Get the You know where the university is? No. I'm not familiar with that.
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Well, that I live in the county with the University of Tennessee at Martin.
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Okay. Alright. Well, good. Well, that's a good letter. And I bring the a good letter. We've got this echo going on again. So I'm well, I know there's a little echo there, so it causes us to step on each other. I'll shut up and let Mark say his piece here. Welcome, Mark and Straw.
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And good morning, everybody. The thing is with that CP letter, the the there's a easier way than than writing a big long letter, and they give you an opportunity to fill out a form one five one zero three. One five one zero three. You'll see that reference in that letter. You can go out on the web and pull that down pretty easily. I believe it's two pages. And one of the options, for you're not filing a tax return is nonresident alien. And so instead of trying to teach them why you don't owe a tax, you can just put that down there, throw in your affidavit that you previously filed and be done with it. But the but it completes their it completes their circle. You you gotta give them what they want what they want.
And and one of the options on that on that form one five one zero three is you tell them you didn't file because you're a nonresident alien. And, throw that in there. Now there is a line when it when it, it, asked for reason. I put that, as a nonresident alien, I didn't have any income tax under 26 CFR one dot one dash one a, and I and then done. That's it. I fill out the rest, the top, the in that section and then my signature, and I give them what they want. And it lines up with what we're doing, so everybody's happy.
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Well, I really appreciate that advice, Mark, because I did see that. And my thinking was to not cooperate since I've got them by the balls anyway. But now that you've explained it in the way you've explained it Right. I'm probably gonna go that route since I I got the letter Thursday. So I've got a little bit of time.
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And and, hey, Matt. You can you can you can put your letter in there with that if you want. I was gonna say send to both of them. Yeah. That's a it's a great letter, by the way. You did you did amazing, and it and it warms the cockles of my heart when listeners have have you know, they've caught on to how to write, you know, a simple letter, that that reinforces our status. So you did a you know, it's a job well done. Congrats.
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Well, thank you. You know? It's a I I just I just know that we've got them. They don't have jurisdiction. And I I know I've heard you, Mark, at great length talk about this, on the forum here. And it's just imbued into my being. They
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they're a fraud.
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Yeah. They admitted fraud. They tricked us in into agreeing with their fraud, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.
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Oh, shit. Like them. Oh, shit.
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And, and and and having this information has empowered me. I'm not afraid to write these clowns a letter.
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Yep. For you, Matt. Boy, you're a sterling example of a good student here a good student here.
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Good morning, Roger. Well, I just like the truth. Oh, gotcha. Appreciate your information, Roger.
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Okay. Well, great, man. We're and somebody else things that are Okay. Well, what two or three people are trying to get in here? Let's let Mark let's let Mark finish. Couple other folks are wanting to say something. We'll get you in a Finish up on what you're doing, Mark, and I thought you did a real good job on that too.
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Thank you. No. That was that was really all I had.
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Okay. Well, as Mark said, that's all I had. In here. Well, there Mark, I heard you. There's a guy before you. Who was the guy before Marka there?
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Good morning, Roger. This is Frank.
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Wait. Who was Matt in Tennessee that he said he had some more questions?
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Yeah. I I just had a couple of more things to add just to just to let you know. It kinda dovetail with this, this idea of of the ineptitude of the frauds that we're dealing with in this system. You know, a couple of years ago after I became a national, I went down to the election office and talked to my county election administrator. His name is Alex Britt. Yeah. He's the weekly county administrator of elections. I spoke with him personally. And at the time, I was a little bit green. I didn't know to ask what the next step in my administrative appeal was.
Yes. And and I had this personal conversation with this guy, and I think I called in and told you about this story. They wanted to shred my voter card, and I wouldn't let them. And, well, here the the weekly county election commission has sent me, a postcard entitled it's addressed dear voter, which, obviously, I'm not a voter. Don't know what I am. Maybe an elector or whatever. Don't I know I'm not a voter. But I've had this conversation with the administrative elections, and they're sending me a card to update my, contact information or my information under as required under TCA two dash two Dash106 b, we are sending you this mailer.
You know, that's it. I talked to the guy that's the administrative elections, and they're still treating me like a voter. I told him I was a national. I gave him a copy of my affidavit. The only thing I didn't do was continue up the chain of command by asking him what the next step in my administrative appeal would be.
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Okay. I can tell you. I think I can answer that question for you from here in Ecuador, and that would be whoever is overseas and in charges of elections at the Tennessee secretary of state's office. I would think that's your next step. You know? Dave and Kaye went through something similar with this, and it was that guy in Alabama that registered them. And then they went back to the registrar and did another registration and attached their affidavit to it, and they voted in the last election. And listen. I'm glad you kinda brought that up because as the years have gone along, I've realized that, the old statement all politics is local.
And, that if for instance, what's the big battleground right now? Whoever's going to be, in the midterm election and try and get the house overturned. So though those are people that affect you and that you should be voting on, I think. So everyone should go to their supervisor of elections and, see if you can, just confront them with this. Now that's about, what, twelve, fourteen, sixteen months before those midterms next year. So these people, instead of going this time next year when they're all covered up, go and and try and make those, those little appointments and that at this point when they're not as busy. That would be a suggestion.
But, yeah, it does matter who your local people are. You know, we had a conversation here the other day about how, the, what the UN thing twenty thirty had reached all the way down to the county level and and some of those, like property records and some of those, things. And that shows you the reach that they've attained. And those boards, like your school boards and the other things, the county commission, they are important. And you can vote on those, and you should be voting on those or at least conscious of them would be my thought. So, good.
Any anything else, Matt?
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One more thing. And just as a note on the voting, I was thinking about just going ahead and just going in cold and just when it on the check mark where it says that I'm a resident, just check just don't check resident or just let them check resident. Because, again, Ertatik v V DRC from 1835 says that what's in possession of the secretary of state should be considered the higher and better form of evidence. So if I vote my elect local election and and and and check that yeah. Yeah. I'm a citizen and vote.
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Let them come back and get me. Well, they won't because now I'm how I'm going about. Well, you're voting here on house members. You're not this isn't a presidential election where you'd have a federal, a federal section for president and vice president. You're just gonna be voting on at the highest, I guess, midterm and local stuff. Maybe a senator. Some a of the senate comes up every two years. You know, they get a six year term instead of a two year term, and they come up a a a So, but I I I really encourage everybody to do that, especially with the awareness building. Okay. Anything else, Matt?
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Yeah. The, the the the my my driver's license getting is getting ready to expire in August. And, you know, I heard Brian Howard, Tuesday. Yes. And he's in Murfreesboro now?
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Yes.
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And his device you know, he even said he has a license now.
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Yes.
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What I'm thinking about just trying to keep my license. I've got a passport I I that I submitted my DS11 and and the the affidavit. I attached the affidavit. Yeah. And, with that document
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That wouldn't be a wise I think it Man, I think it'd be a very wise thing to do. And, but and I appreciate the people that wanna fight this battle. You know? The guy called the other day, said I'm not gonna next year, I'm not gonna have a license or a tag, you know? And I appreciate that spirit. Okay? And I'm not gonna tell you not to do it. But, boy, it just and it's a hard decision to make because if you deserve to get decide to find it and you're in one of those jurisdictions and they just steal, you may win. You very well may win. But even if you do, they've stolen your life to get it because you have to put your whole life on the back burner to learn all the stuff and focus on it and answer this.
And I'm just not sure that it's worth it. And you heard Brian say the same thing. After fifteen years of maturation and not having as much piss and vinegar and and testosterone pumping through his veins, he said the same thing. So, I can't tell you what to do. I won't tell you what to do. We if you get into that and you decide to go the other route, I'm not sure we can help you. We can suggest some things, but it's it's a real it's a real sticky wicket there. So you make the own your own decision. Hey, Roger. I think there's other battles to fight, but, yeah, I know we're all I got three or four people that wanna say something. Okay? I I it's up to you as if you wanna fight that battle or not.
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Well, I'll finish up here so these other people can talk, but I well, I'm I just wanna get back real hurriedly to Ertatiki VDRC from eighteen thirty five. Yeah. You're right. Possession of the Secretary of State is the higher should be considered the higher and better form of citizenship
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evidence. Yes. And it doesn't matter if I say I'm a US citizen on a driver's license application or a voter card. That's correct. Then let them come arrest me. Well, they're not going to, and you're out as always. You're make you're required I'm required to do this or else I'm gonna get in a confrontation on the side of the road with some officers, got less than a 100 IQ and a Glock on his hip. And I don't want that situation. Exactly. All that, Merc, I'll get to you. Okay? Got so Well, I'm done, Roger. Thanks for the time. Thank you. Alright, Matt. Okay. There was another guy before Merca. Who was that? I don't remember your name. I don't remember your name.
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Well, Gary, how's That's Gary. My name now.
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Yes, ma'am. But you were at the end of the line, but you're Gary. Go ahead.
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. If you guys are gonna try to drive with and stuff, you need to send in an alteration to the contract. Everything you do in this society is by contract. Well, when you go get a driver's license or your tags or any of that stuff, there's only one signature on the contract. Alter the contract. I don't know how many times I have to say it that it's all by contract. Yep. And you've gotta rewrite the contract.
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And send it back to d d v DMV?
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Correct.
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I mean, it Try it. Try it, folks. Somebody try it. I've never heard Gary say that before, but go back in and try it. See if it works. Oh, I have. He said it numerous times. Okay. Well, I haven't. So I'm an old man. Give me a little cut a little slack. Okay? Slack. We'll cut we'll touch you. Thank you. Thank you, man. You. You old fart? Okay. Well, let me let me get some order here. Member of Brent's thing on an order yesterday. Mark, I know you're there. There was somebody in front of you as a guy who was somewhat soft spoken somewhat soft spoken. Would you could you you step forward now, sir? We'll try and recognize you. We'll try and recognize you.
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Good morning, Roger.
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Yes. And who is that? Yes. And who is that? This is Frank from Colorado. Hey, Frank. Talk right in your mic phone, man, please.
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Okay. I will do that. I was trying to make sure that I wasn't over modulating. No. You're fine. Can we bring it early in the conversation, you were talking about the, c p five, nine. Yeah. This seems to be the new form of the missus Robinson letter that we all know and love is what I'm gathering because Yeah. I got one, and it sounds like some other members have gotten a number. I ignored this in the eyes of the IRS the time. And what I mean by that is I didn't purposely ignore it, but I didn't respond to them what I believe is in a timely manner. And they sent out a subsequent CP five one eight. Yes. I don't know if the five one eight has been brought up on the show before.
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There's a series they used to put out a booklet, Frank, of these, letters they send out letters they send out. And there's four letters in that series after five nine, and I just don't remember what the numbers are the one you got might be. This is, it's wise to respond to this one even though if you're just shoving something else back at them. This evidently is computer generated. I think your conclusion is right. It's another version of the missus Robinson, except it's not from the state department. It's from the IRS. And it looks and appears to be computer generated, and they fed everybody that's, got an affidavit and sent to them. And probably, it sounds like almost everybody got one of these, would be my guess. Okay? It's a guess.
Makes sense. The the thing I've just seen I would say I would say So I thought Matt did a good job on his. Did a good job on his. I would say just agreed. I'd I'd turn around and send a copy of my original affidavit, my original cover letter, and, just say please make sure this is in your files. And and I thought that, the information that Mark brought us about this form internal form of theirs that could be used to address this, man, we never knew that before. So that is, whatever the form number was. It was five numbers, I think.
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15103.
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15103.
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That's With respect to that, Roger, I agree with everything you say, and I've noticed some differences in the five nine from the five one eight. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Yes. Well, here's the question is regarding that 15103 form. The time I got the notice, it requested me to go to the website and download one, and I didn't even do that. In the five one eight return to me. They included a copy of it this time. So now they're making it easier for me so that I don't even have to go to the website to download it. They're trying to bait me into it. I see. Well, this is the newer, nicer IRS, evidently. Well, here's the thing. I don't even wanna fill this out because, Roger, correct me if I'm wrong.
Somewhere in the past, whatever years that I've been listening,
[00:39:43] Unknown:
there was you you spoke of the concept you don't want to opt back into their system. Well, no. No. No. No. So much sense, and it could be subtle. And I wanna make sure that No. You can't no. I don't know where you I don't know where you heard that, Frank, but I would never tell you that because I under maybe back in the old days when I didn't understand as well as I do now, you can't do anything to opt back in their system except send them another affidavit and say, I don't wanna be a national. I'd rather be a voluntary serve. That'll put you back in there. Makes sense.
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So I'm gonna split a fine line on this. What if so just by de facto filling out an IRS form does not automatically put one? No, sir. Does that include a, a tax return?
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No. I think it's got a section r is for nonresident.
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Right. But this isn't the form. He's talking about the form one five one zero three. It's got a section. No. Because it has a check it has a check spot for being a nonresident. Yeah. That's what I was getting to. Yeah. That's what I was getting to. Yeah. So it's not a paradox. So if I fill out at the storm and check that box, it's not the snake eating itself. No. No.
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Not at all. No. Okay. Not at all. Now let let me let's hey. Let's take a look at what happens if you don't respond to this, if they're asking for a tax return or they're giving you a form number to fill out because you're giving a reason why you don't have to file a return. If you fail to do that, the CP five eighteen is the final reminder that if you don't respond to the earlier notices like the CP 59, the five fifteen, the five sixteen, within about eight weeks, the IRS can start to substitute for return
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for you for you. So I'm responding to all of these, though, and I'm getting rid of the merits bag letter. Even though he initially,
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notified them with a copy of the affidavit, do you think they could still go ahead and They're they're wanting a return.
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Okay. And and if you did initial response and you're getting a follow-up from the IRS, you're in the loop. And I don't think you're gonna break that loop until you file a form one five one zero three. And once you see that section on giving the reason why you're not filing and you have an option to select that you're not a you're not a resident, Then and then below that, you can further explain, like I was saying earlier. And then that's it. And and I totally agree with Roger. This is a little bit of a mindset shift because everybody's scared to death that they're gonna somehow give away their citizenship status. That somehow they're gonna sign some nefarious document and end up being a US citizen again, and I wholeheartedly agree with Roger.
Took me a while to get here. Okay? This isn't just a you know, you don't pick this up right away. This is why, you know, like, Matt in Tennessee listening for, what, two, three years now. And and things start growing on you and you realize, oh, you know, I can I can have a driver's license and still be a nonresident alien? I shouldn't call it that. It it still be a national. Right? Yeah. I can still be a national, and, they've made this system where it is a social norm for me to have a driver's license Yep. To have a tag on my car Yeah. But that doesn't mean I'm not a national.
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Yep.
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The and and the only way that you can give that up and the only person who can determine whether you're a US citizen or a national is you. And like Roger said, if you you know, we've we've had some some things come up where people kinda jump the gun before they really thought about, you know, their national stats are in kind of a complicated situation in their life that most average people don't face. And, you know, they've contemplated having to undo their national status, and all they did is they sent in an affidavit and said, you know, that well, off, your affidavit should say, this replaces and supersedes the previous affidavit and probably give a date of that affidavit.
And then just say, it's my intent to be a US citizen under the amendment. Yep. You're done. Opt right back in. You're back in this you're back in the matrix.
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And Afrohyim d d Rusk is the case on that. Thank thank you, for bringing it up. The fellow from Georgia that brought it up, Allen. I'd never heard of it before. A f r o y I m, I think. Afrohyim, I think. V Rust from 1966 approximately. And, you know, Afrohyim, you you remember this, category this, case, Frank? This, case, Frank? I recall you talking about it, but the specifics, no. Okay. Well, then you you need to embed this because it it'll, turn your other in incorrect conclusion around. Afraim was a Hungarian Jew immigrated to The US, got those amendment rights, and then he they caught him voting in an Israeli election Israeli election. And it overturned a previous Supreme Court case in the late fifties that said they could take his away for violating the rules.
And the Rusk court or case said no. They can't take his rights away. And because only him, he, Afraim, can give them away. You can give them See, everything's gotta be voluntary. It goes back to that, and that's the premier case that shows it right there. It shows Afraim v Rusk v Rusk. Very important. Now what they neglected to tell mister Afraheem was that he could file an affidavit and capture the national status. They kind of left that out. Left that out. Okay? So that shows you right there that you can't do anything to go back in. It's got to be voluntary. It's got to be voluntary. Unless you write another affidavit saying I don't want I'm tired of this freedom crap. I wanna be a slave and send it to them, and they'll make you a slave of you. They'll make you a slave of you. Holy.
[00:46:11] Unknown:
And that makes sense. And and every everything you're saying makes sense. This form one five one zero three. I'm literally looking at it here, and one of our members earlier kinda jumped in and reiterated using the word unless you rebuked the contract, then I forget how he paraphrased that. But I look at this 15103, and, yes, there's certainly a checkbox that says I'm not a US citizen, yada yada. But at the top of this, it says contract information. So does that mean if I fill this out, it is literally a contract between myself and the IRS and they have to accept that checkbox?
[00:46:47] Unknown:
They do. They have to accept what your designation is. They can't tell you what you are or they'd be open tyrants. That's why they've got a price on it. Up the legal definition of contract and then I'll understand it better. Well, you know, we there's a lot of different kinds of contracts. You're in another one from birth here that you agree with later in life. So, contracts, they have a whole course on it in law school contracts. Okay? Invisible contracts, etcetera, etcetera. Confirming with writing a one way, understanding of contracts. And that's why excuse me, Paul, just a Everybody that's getting these CP 59 letters should not only do this form Mark's telling you about. If you guys were listening to an archive or something, you should do it within a number as quick as possible. This is not the ninety day deal. This is a I would say if you wanna be strictly between the, the guardrails, you do this within ten days.
And you mentioned something about contracting. That was with the Department of Motor Vehicles or the driver's license division, not IRS. So that was kinda apples and oranges, but they do apply. Okay? But I I'm rewriting the contract with the IRS, I guess, by this. Well, no. You've already broken the contract. You put them on notice already. This is one of their little follow-up fake head fake deals. Okay. Yeah. I don't think this is a head fake, Roger. Well, I I mean, it's another like the mystery problem. Hold on.
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Go ahead. Yeah. Well, hold on. It's not. It's not anything I don't it's not anything like that. There, for whatever reason, either a $10.99 was generated or a w two was generated, and they're expecting a a tax return to be filed accordingly. And if you don't file it, then they're gonna start sending you notices. Roger.
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Myrka, we'll get to you in just a sec. Alright. Myrka, what do you gotta say?
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I've had a quick comment for Matt about his response, and I've been waiting patiently to talk to him and tell the students, the new students, that are learning that we do not need to be filling out their forms. Once we send in their app our affidavit and remove ourselves, we are out of that system unless we need to we owe the $8.71 and 877. And Matt's response was perfect. It's a great example of what we need to be doing. Our affidavits and notices are a court of record. So we are keeping track of what they are doing, the IRS. They are bluffing you to complete their user forms and participate with them again.
We need to be using our affidavits and lawful legal notices. I don't see anything wrong with you. Matt?
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I don't see anything wrong with using their form, MRCA, because you'd use their forms later if you file the ten forty n r.
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I understand. But you we already removed ourselves. And if it's there's an error showing that they are trying to collect or have you file, then all we need to do is call at the nonresident alien
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line and correct them and tell them, please update your information. I sent this effective this date. I don't believe it's an error. They've had two or three or four already changes in who heads the IRS. Somebody gets in. They get confronted with this situation, and I think this is a, well, let's try this.
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And send And we send our notices. We resend a reminder. This was sent effective this date. That's what I've told people did.
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That's what I've told people so far. Just resubmit what you sent them originally. But and send it back to them. Matt's letter is fine. I don't have any problem with filling out the form and showing them in their own protocol right there what you are and shoving all of it up their asses. Doesn't matter to me, but you need to respond something and not I wouldn't let just let it lie on this one if for no other reason than to have another chance to get affidavits under somebody's notices.
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Right. I you can send both if you want, but the affidavit the affidavit affidavit and lawful legal notice reminder Alright. And that protocol happens just can't stop during a conversation
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when you want in to take it off in another direction. I try and do this protocol by the people that are here and the time in line that they got here. And if there's a tie, it goes to the female. Okay? I was at the beginning of the line right before Gary No. You weren't. No. You weren't. Frank was ahead of you.
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Okay. So I just Frank. Comment. I wanted to comment comment regarding that letter that Matt shared. And it was a quick comment. Just wanted to remind him that he did really good. Yeah. And all he needs to add on there is that he sent his affidavit as a reminder. He sent his affidavit effective whatever date he sent it in and that they need to correct their error in the system even though it's a machine or automatic response. If you talk to a live person on a nonresident alien line, they should be able to help you by faxing it in and mailing it out as a reminder on the court record.
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Comment. Okay. Paul?
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Yeah. Mirka was waiting for quite a while, and I was trying to get in there to defer to her, but I do have something, for Matt. Matt, how did they address you on that the computer generated letter? Did they address you as dear taxpayer?
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Probably.
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Yeah. They didn't address it, specifically to me. This is like a this CP 59 is just a is just a a standard looking form.
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Computer generated. Address
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the the only greeting is you need to file your twenty twenty three form ten forty tax return. Okay. So they don't address you specifically as dear taxpayer?
[00:53:04] Unknown:
No. Okay. Good. Well, that's that's old patriot mythology. Everybody pays taxes.
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Yeah. You get It's just patriot mythology trying to say I'm not a taxpayer. Yeah. If you owe eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b taxes, you're a taxpayer. Yes. I know. But you owe that or not?
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Yes. I know. But they don't define what kind of tax they're referring to. It doesn't. If they're addressing you as a taxpayer, that is a presumption that you're a taxpayer and that you all or all forms of taxes.
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Okay. Because they don't define which ones they're referring to. I don't see that as a Doesn't matter. Deal. I agree with Mark. More patriot mythology.
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K. Yeah. We didn't know any better until Roger we we we did not know any better until Roger come along. We were looking for every app that we could get to not to get untangled from the IRS.
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I yield. My point is I have another observation
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about this is Matt again. The CP fifty nine addressed the year 2023. Well, the last time I filed taxes was, in 2022 for 2021. So they're asking me about 2023, and they what about 2022?
[00:54:20] Unknown:
What's up with these people? They're hey. Well, I'm telling you they can find their butt with both hands. I think well, that's probably true for the most part. I believe you've got we've had a number of different heads of IRS since Trump got in six months ago. I think I think we had three different ones in one week, here here a couple of months ago in the beginning. So somebody's in there. They get this problem dumped on their desk, and they say, well, let's try this. Bam. I think that's what's going on. Maybe wrong. That's just my suspicion. I
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I I think it's it's computer programming myself. Yeah. I don't think they've got agents looking through every one of these. No. No. So it gets automated process. And at some point, if they don't get whatever response they need to settle that account, somebody will step in and they'll generate a substitute for return and then start going after collections. But I'd also like to back up what Mirka said, and and she's absolutely right too, because if your letters contain the same information, then then that's what's on that form, the one five one zero three, then you've accomplished the same thing.
So back when I was working with Dan Meader, we were doing two x triage. People come in with, you know, liens and levies and so One of the things that we did to avoid felt using their forms, we did a informational return. And so we would give them the same information that was on a ten forty, except we would change a few things, and that would suffice as meeting the needs of that form. So think about it. If I I've got a form one five one zero three, and I write a letter that provides them the same information basically, then, yeah, you wouldn't necessarily have to fill out a form one five one zero three.
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Roger.
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Yes. Very. You're adding to the discussion here this morning.
[00:56:28] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Just like to make a suggestion to Matt when he sends his, his letter out, his response letter. I would, encourage him to put in the CC section, and send a copy to the president, of The United States, Scott Besant, the secretary of the treasury. I have his, email. He could also send one to, he could send one to the, IRS commissioner, the acting IRS commissioner, Pamela Bondi, Heather m Hill as acting inspector general for, TIGTA, which is treasury inspector general for tax administration. Also Amy Gleason, who is overseeing Doge and his own attorney general.
That way everyone could see, you know, this letter, and they would all be kept in the loop.
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Okay? Comment. You wanna do that, Matt? You do that. I I'm afraid, Larry, you think you're gonna get that notice on Pam Bondi's desk? She's got there's there's a big dark hole on her desk, and everything that goes on there falls into it evidently. Go ahead, Paul.
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The point I was trying to make is whenever you receive a communication from anyone to always be on the lookout for presumptions. And in the event that you find a presumption, I don't personally care if they're calling you a taxpayer or whatever. If there is a presumption in there, you must rebut that presumption because if you respond to that letter without rebutting it, you're agreeing to it. That was the point I was trying to make.
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There can't be a presumption in there that would overcome your status that you already previously noticed them on.
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K? K. Well, if you don't pres if you don't rebut the presumption and they wanna proceed on it, then they're just gonna send you something else, and then you have to circle back and resend them a copy of your affidavit just to include that.
[00:58:53] Unknown:
Send them a copy every time you get something from them with some sort of a response. What's difficult about that? It doesn't have to be long. Doesn't have to be complex. All you need to do is reaffirm your position, and it can't hurt to get that affidavit in front of in front of somebody else's eyeballs again.
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Yep. Make many copies. Many copies.
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I send an affidavit every time, and there's at least a dozen out there on behalf of me to these various agencies.
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Good deal. Agreed with that, Roger. Well, that's the way to do it, Frank. So okay. Anybody else got in to weigh in on Matt or Frank's situation or is there a fire in your town or you got, protesters in the front yard? What's going on? Nobody wants to now now they all wanna comment at once, I guess, Paul. Okay. No. Alright. We can just about finish up. We don't have to break and tell anybody goodbye even though it is that time about midway in the show. But, okay. So new new topic, new whatever. No? Well, man, I thought you did a good job for somebody who's just been lurking out there. You've absorbed an awful lot and good good work. The important part about Frank's call and questions were that they you and see, I used to think like this so I can appreciate it. I used to go through life. Well, what am I gonna step on that's gonna get me back in the system? Because I IRS wasn't screwing with me anymore. They'd spit me out, and I just figured that I was out of the system. What else can I do to get in? So I went through a number of years with that mindset, so I understand where you are. Frank?
But now I tote understand totally that everything's on you and that you've got to make any changes that are going on. And if they try and trick you into making changes that would affect your status, that's tyranny, period. It's fraud. All based on fraud just like this one. The simple fact is, yeah, they got a lot of money. Yeah. They got a lot of influence, but they they're just basic like us. And once we attain their status, they don't have any more control over us. And, of course, that's why they're so scared of this. They if they weren't scared of this, they would have addressed it sometime in the last fourteen years.
Fourteen and a half, just about. And they have never done that. K? So I believe the sovereign citizen thing was a way to kind of set up a straw man to fight this. They've known it was coming for fourteen years because the Southern Poverty Law Center guy who was monitoring Tom's RBN back in those days, him and I had, you know, I outed him. I found out who he was, got his name, outed him on the air, and he went away. So they've known about this for a long time. They've had plenty of chances to to knock it down, to demonize me. You know, what's the Gandhi The Gandhi thing. they ignore you, then they demonize you, then they fight you, and then you win.
Well, we won when we started because we preempted their fraud. So they never they they wouldn't demonize us on a a million dollar bet because all it does is just bring more attention to this issue and expose them more. They can't fight us because we've already won. It's very powerful. And they're they're scared of it, and they're aware of it. So, I don't know if we can ever get the numbers where we could force something here. But anybody else got any ideas? I'll listen to your plan. You got a plan? Let's hear it.
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If I may? Yes, ma'am. Hi. This is Pam on Michigan. I invited a couple of guests on today. So Okay. Good. I got in late. So Okay. I wanna apologize for that not knowing what the topic was. And, so I have a question in regards to someone who has property in a certain state in America, and there's a conflict because it's split between siblings and nephews and sorts like that. And so someone put a shed or a building, a structure, on a part of the property, and there's a lot of conflict in regard to that settled, shed and who's been there. And it's not really settled because there's a big conflict. So would authenticating birth certificates and sending in the letter to the, District Of Columbia, be a good way to start for this family, Ayil.
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Wow.
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Mark,
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there's a property that there's a shed on, and there's a bunch of controversy about the shed. Has the person Pam, has the person passed away already that owns it? I I don't know that what we do is gonna have any kind of, effect on that necessarily.
[01:04:32] Unknown:
Well, it would probably go back to the last time it was patent, and the great grandparents, came and settled there. And in those years and years so this woman's in her eighties. So the great the grandparents are gone. And so somebody during those hundred years, placed a shed on that property. Now there's different lots that is split up between the survivors right now, and the one that's holding all of the information doesn't wanna do anything with it, and they want to invite an attorney into the situation. I yield.
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Pam, I don't know that we've got any kind of remedy for that or that what we do would have any bearing on it. Mark, you got an idea here?
[01:05:20] Unknown:
Well, I don't even understand what the controversy is. Are they The shit. Is this shit. Land well, that still doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand what the controversy is. You got land? You got multiple people involved? Are they trying to divide the land up? I mean, is the county coming after them because they got a shed on the property? I don't I don't understand.
[01:05:44] Unknown:
Okay. Let us let us see if we can explain. Go ahead, Pam. We got this little delay here, so we can't both talk at the same time. So we'll turn it over to you for further explanation, please.
[01:05:56] Unknown:
Okay. So the the property was homesteaded over a hundred years ago. It's in Oklahoma. I'll say that much. And there are several people that are still alive, and there is a conflict with the one nephew that holds all of the property. And he doesn't want to or doesn't know how. And so I wanted to kinda set them up for establishing the fact that they're living and that would be sending in their presumption to Washington.
[01:06:42] Unknown:
Is that correct? Well, unless they've got a birth certificate, they're probably presumed to be still living. You say it's in Oklahoma, but you're wanting to send everything to DC. Mark,
[01:06:58] Unknown:
I Pam, I still don't understand what's going on. Controversy? What's the controversy? Do they owe taxes on the property? Somebody trying to get, get title to the property that didn't didn't have a right to it. I mean, I just I still fail to understand Well what the problem is. I don't know what that is. Problem. The controversy
[01:07:22] Unknown:
seems to be over the shed. Well, I'm waiting to to understand what's going on still. Help us, dear. We wanna help you, but but you've given us what we don't understand. We hadn't grasped everything yet. Well, how do you think we can influence that situation with what we do?
[01:07:45] Unknown:
Well, what's the situation, Roger?
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Somebody's fighting over a shed. Some kid doesn't wanna
[01:07:52] Unknown:
Okay. Hold on. Fighting over a shed, what does that mean? Does that mean somebody wants to remove it from the property or say they own it? Is the county trying to tax it? Ma'am, I I don't understand what what you're trying to accomplish or what the problem is, and I I don't know what the problem is. There's not much I can do to help you.
[01:08:15] Unknown:
May I please?
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Yes, sir. Are you associated with this situation?
[01:08:22] Unknown:
No. I'm not. But I'm associated with a lot of land things like this. It's a land grab. And if nobody has put an official beef on this, and it's been seven years, The person who put that shed on the land, it's now their land. Good luck getting it back. I'm done.
[01:08:43] Unknown:
Well, there's more to it than that. They also have to pay the last three years at pretty taxes. But what you're talking about is called adverse possession. Well, sounds like. And just a couple of years ago, my cousin went through a big fight over that with a multimillionaire that, was a scoundrel, and, I didn't find out about it until after the fact. I'm like, really? I'm right here, and you don't even let me know that you got this case going on and and you lost in summary judgment? But they also alluded to and we did an appeal that was denied. But, it was adverse possession, but there are some conditions for being being able to use adverse possession. Yes. There are. Well, it's it's it's not just having a fence line or having
[01:09:31] Unknown:
a shed on the property. It needs to be open and notorious. It needs to be for a certain amount of years. It needs to be uncontested. There's a bunch of rules before you can take property like that in adverse possession. Adverse possession was originally instituted so that the land got its highest and best use. And if there was land that was discarded, someone should go through this process and acquire it. But it does have a number of stipulations before you can pull it off. Who was trying to say inject something? Was that you, Rick?
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Yes. I was just gonna say what you did. It has to be open, notorious, and unchallenged. And as you said again, that was instituted years ago, and that is very difficult to do nowadays. Yep.
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Yep. And it has nothing to do with land patents or national status. And it doesn't have anything to do with the shed either. It's got our improvements. It's got to do with the land itself because the original part of of of meaning of the law was to make all land to its highest and best usage because like what Brent says and that the land is God's land, and he wants all of it in its highest and best use. That's a way to achieve that for certain people. Yes, ma'am. That's also work backwards. Right. Well, here's a real estate expert right here. Miss Julie, what have you got to weigh in on this?
[01:10:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I wasn't sure either. I'm confused on what they're I mean, I understand there's a shed there, but if it's I I don't know how many people own it and how they own it. I would assume, but I'm not sure if they if they if there's, like, seven people that own it as tenants in common, and six out of the seven wanna sell it and the person doesn't, you can force a sale of land by filing what's called a judicial partition partition. Sorry. And so it it'll either when you go to court, it'll either divide the property, or, the person or whatever who doesn't want to, who might be the person who's holding the paperwork and not sharing it, it'll force the sale of it. But if that person has papers that that person is not sharing, I mean, you should be able to take the, tax map number down to the county and, get the paperwork and find what the deed is and all that stuff down there and get copies of whatever the person who Yeah. Is holding the paperwork doesn't wanna share. But you can force the sale of it or, or maybe a, division dividing of that land by filing an action for, judicial partition of co owned rural property.
So it it'll depend on
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what the court wants to do on something like that. I don't think our national status would have anything to do with this, Pam. So No. Roger? Well, hold on. Let's see if Pam's there. I wanna respond. Oh, Pam, what are your thoughts on what we've been saying here?
[01:12:47] Unknown:
Fantastic information as you will. So, Julie, I thank you for that. I will give them that information. There are several involved that are still living. And I thought that, because a lot of people consider, or the presumption, the amendment, the, you know, citizen, I thought that that would be why we would want to claim that we are living instead of, you know, a dead certificate. So that's why I thought that the authentication would be in, you know, proper order of priority.
[01:13:23] Unknown:
And that's it. I I do believe, this information will be very helpful. Okay. Well Yeah. And you might call them. My I can't I can't see if there's any impact. Oh, excuse me, Julie. I can't see any impact, and you can verify this, Julie, on what we do here, as that would have really anything to do with that situation. Is that your understanding, Jules?
[01:13:45] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't think anything has to do with national status here. I just think that, you know, you got a bunch of people who, own land, and I don't know. Maybe that person wants maybe everybody wants to sell it, and that one person with all the paperwork doesn't. I don't know. I understand that the that the, you know, shed is sitting on there, which might be an issue. But, you know, if there's seven people that, you know, wanna sell it and the other person doesn't, maybe you can do a voluntary buyout, but that might not be possible. But the the other thing would do would that you would have to do then to get rid of that land and convert it into cash would be a legal action to force, either, an involuntary division of the property or or a sale of the property.
And it just depends on the laws in the various states. Some of them divide it, and other people, you know, it can for can force the sale.
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Well, you've got some really fine providence here, Pam, because you said the property's in Oklahoma. Well, so is Mark. And Mark's right in the middle of it, right around Oklahoma City, and he's a twenty plus year paralegal. So if your friends need any kind of interaction with anything legal, I'd suggest you contact Mark. Mark, you wanna give him your email address?
[01:15:06] Unknown:
Yeah. You can contact me at strawman@mark,allcaps,.com. That's strawman, strawman,@mark,markallcaps. Mark, all caps, just like it sounds, and it does not have to be capitalized. That was my moniker when I come on Roger's show was Mark, all caps. And I think there's a darka.com
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after that. Right?
[01:15:37] Unknown:
Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. A.com.
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My my mistake. So anyway, that's a that could be very fortuitous for you, Pam, and your friends there. Alright. Julie's saying something. There's a guy trying to say something. Put in the address? Follow-up. But but, what, Pam?
[01:15:54] Unknown:
The subject line? What should she put so you know who, this property belongs to? What would Pam's friend.
[01:16:04] Unknown:
Thank you. Uh-huh. It it doesn't matter what you put in the subject line. I'm gonna open it up and read it. So, you know, you can put Oklahoma property in there or, you know, something like that, and we'll take a look at it. Alright.
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You happen to know what part of the state it's in? Me too. Because Oklahoma has had a pretty big supreme court decision about part of the ownership of the lands and the jurisdiction there over the last couple of years. Do you know if it's in the Eastern part or the Western part?
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I do not know. Okay.
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Roger.
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I'll I'll I'll be trying to get to you. Hold on. Could be in the Indian nation. Yeah.
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There was a guy and a girl there. Who was the guy? Samuel.
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Okay. She needs a chain of title. Whatever paperwork that guy is holding doesn't mean squat. It's not recorded. And he's might be hiding something, so she needs a chain of title. This sounds like a family property who was split among family members over periods of time, very common, but that's all gotta be recorded. And where where it comes into what she's saying about how it affects us as as state citizens, property can't own property.
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So if somebody really wants to take a true claim from that but they can be registered to a state citizen. They can be controlling it. Okay? Or else we these people wouldn't have any property out there today. So
[01:17:31] Unknown:
So Well, the chain of title is gonna have to be there in order for you to do anything for or against a movement Okay. On the legal action on that piece of land.
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Pam, have your gal contact Mark. If there's any legal stuff, at least he can kinda guide you away, or whatever path. Okay? K. So I don't know. I don't know about the shed, though. Because we understand
[01:17:53] Unknown:
that the people that are here on America right now have worked on this continent to establish and to homestead. And we all wanna try and make sure that everyone keeps what they've already worked very, very hard for. And if all of those people right now in their sixties, seventies, and eighties have worked very, very hard and had the biggest sacrifice, I believe. So thank you for all the information. Well, you're welcome. I apologize. Will be recorded as well.
[01:18:21] Unknown:
And everything should be there that's that's that's valid.
[01:18:26] Unknown:
I'd like to see all the property that's been stolen returned too, Pam, but that's a little whimsical. Okay. Anybody? Samuel, you got your piece out. There's a female there who was trying to say something. One of our gals. No? Was it another guy? I thought there was two two a Rogers. Alright. We'll open it up then. Clean slate. Anybody got Hey, Roger. There's somebody right there. I think that's our other Tennessean, isn't it?
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Yeah. Earlier earlier in the week, there was some discussion about the court cases dealing with, citizenship and, you know, Plessy and Brown versus Board of Education.
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Yes, sir. And,
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seemed like I heard some things that I my memory didn't agree with, but I didn't wanna say anything then until I, reviewed this. Uh-huh. And by my by my reading, both these cases, the the the decisions are just related to US citizens wherever they might be. And in Plessy, it calls them
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okay. Look what? No. Go ahead. In Plessy what?
[01:19:44] Unknown:
Okay. In Plessy, there's a paragraph down through there where it kinda comes out. While there may be in Louisiana persons of different races who are not citizens of The United States, The words in the act, white and colored races, necessarily include all citizens of The United States of both races, residing in that state. So we have here a, before us a state enactment that, compels under penalties the separation of the two races in railroad passenger coaches and makes it a crime for a citizen of either race to enter a coach that has been assigned to the citizens of the other race.
The state regulates the use of public highways by citizens of The United States solely upon the basis of race. Well, that's that was their their complaint that different parts of US citizens different classes of US citizen are being treated differently,
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and they're requiring them to all be treated the same. And the presumption right there is it's all race. And you see, I can analyze it right now and say, isn't that an erroneous presumption? It wasn't whether somebody was black or white. Those those difference, political statuses just manifested in the ethnic division. But one of them had man given rights, Jim Crow, and the other one had god given rights, Whitey. That was the separation. It was political status, not color.
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No. The the political status is limited to United States citizens.
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They're only talking about United States citizens. Well, I'm saying that, but good to hear. Say well, you can't say that the white state citizen didn't have a political status.
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No. I'm saying that I think they could have had a segregation of The US citizens from the state citizens. And then if they wanted, they could also have had a further segregation of the white and colored races of state citizens. But because they were plotting equally to both races of United States citizens and treat the two different ones differently. And and erroneously,
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not only separately, but erroneously. Go ahead.
[01:22:15] Unknown:
Well, anyway, they they they're just talking about United States citizens, that this is a problem with involving United States citizen. And, so, you know, like I said, I think I don't think this would have excluded them having, required US citizens to be separated from the state citizens. And then among the state citizens, they could have,
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maybe design it by a race for the state citizens separately from the US citizens. There were free blacks. US citizens all had to be treated the same. Well, listen. This is what I know. I this is what I know. The statement from that case is separate but equal. K? That's the thumbnail. That's the conclusion, the overriding little short conclusion. And Brown versus Board of Education, equal in the classroom, equal in the society, overturned Plessy. Or at least that's what all the legal people out there think.
[01:23:21] Unknown:
Well, in a way, yeah. But, it is one statement in there. The most avid proponents of the post war amendments undoubtedly intended them to remove all legal distinctions among, quote, all persons born or naturalized in The United States, close quote. So they just remove
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it from that particular How are they identifying that when they didn't say and subject to the jurisdiction thereof? It's not just a one phrase identification. There's a two pronged legal test to make you that. You gotta be subject to it.
[01:24:04] Unknown:
Well, yeah. But, yes, they just left that out. Well, I guess so. And where is The U where is The United States in this kind of context? Is it just Washington DC?
[01:24:16] Unknown:
Yes. That's what it is, I think. And whether it was clear to all them back then or not, I don't really know, Danny. I keep seeing these things. Everybody says this is about race. The slaughterhouse cases, all the other cases echo that, and you go back and really analyze it and the race difference wasn't the difference. That was just the outward difference. The inward difference, the real difference was where they got their rights and whom they owe their duties to. That's the crux of all of this, but they don't talk about that in there.
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No. But they don't in in, Brown, they don't talk about citizen
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at all. They avoid mentioning and accept from that little phrase right there. What we're dealing with are forces behind the scene. Okay? Here's another way of looking at an aspect of that is birthright citizenship. That may be released this coming week on this decision by the Supreme Court. It's the time they visited it in a long time. Okay? And so as Eastman said, this constitutional, attorney that's head of a law school out there in the West Coast are trying to yank his license. That's how good the guy is. Okay? It's like he said, they said this thing of birthright citizenship where anybody can come and dump a baby and it's a citizen, Well, that's only come up around the fifties or the sixties, the best I can tell, and I don't know where it arose from.
So Wong Kim Ark, which is going to be, I think, the decision out of there, is gonna be Wong Kim Ark's people, his parents, although not citizens, they were established here like residents. And so that's what legitimizes Wong Kim Ark's birthright citizenship. This whole thing's gonna kinda revolve around that case, like so many others, but somebody morphed it into where anybody just dropped a kid on the other side of Rio Grande. It's a citizen. So where's that come out? Well, it's not even in there. I'm trying to get the point across even though that what you're reading, these people are behind the scenes manipulating this stuff.
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Oh, well, I'm not doubting that, and that's part I I'm just trying to point out what it looks like. It actually says regards to how other people have taken it.
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Okay. Well, you're you're gonna have to go over your conclusion on what you've come to on again for us. So if you just bring it forward again on what you read, what the conclusion you draw, and the importance of it.
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Well, the, way it actually states is they're only making decisions about, actions
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on US citizens, and they're not talking about the state citizens and all. Well, they can't well, they don't have any well, they don't have any jurisdiction on them. They don't have what? They don't have jurisdiction on the state citizens. Well, right. That's why they only talking about the citizens. Of The United States. Well, that's why they got Plessy, and Plessy was 1 black. 1 is generating what we're discussing here.
[01:27:36] Unknown:
Well, yeah. But he they they went forward with him being a US citizen and being separated from other US citizens according to race. Yeah. Okay. Because he was 1 black and nine tenths white. That's why they used him.
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And they went and put him on a white only but railroad car.
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But but but both sides of the thing was to do with US citizens.
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Well, I White or black. Okay. I'm not gonna argue with you on that. It had to do with Plessy. He was 1 black, and he was considered a citizen of The United States under the amendment. They took him and put him on a white only. They don't have jurisdiction over it on the federal level railroad car, and they had the the detectives at the station to arrest him. They had the newspapers there, including theirs, to cover the story, and they went and brought him to where they bring him to. They didn't bring him to federal court. They brought him to state court.
And they said, we don't have anything to do with this. Ferguson ruled against him, and he's the other half. They enjoined him in the case, and it went to the Supreme Court. They said separate but equal. John Harlan wrote the dissent in that case, the great dissenter. Okay? But my comment is, even though it looks black and white on the surface, it's not black and white. It's political status plainly. Plus, he got his rights and duties, from the amendment. That's why they mentioned him in the case and have jurisdiction over that. Whitey didn't. Mhmm. He gets his rights from God and knows God has duties. How can No. That city Hey. Okay. He doesn't.
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They're not they're not talking about
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white I I am. State citizens are talking about white US citizens. I'm telling you that's the difference. The state citizen gets his rights from God, knows the duties, and plus he got his amendment rights from the federal government and owed them their duties. Those can't be equal. I don't care how twisted your legal
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argument is. Well, like, they didn't say they're equal.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, that's that's right. They said they're they're not equal. It was Brown that overturned that. So I believe that they could ask you those leading questions. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? Without saying, are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a national? And then what they're doing right along the same time, they put the 1954 revenue and code in place, which binds you to that through what we were talking about earlier in the program back to the citizen of The United States and the national. They now could lay underneath it and say they're the same thing and not have to, bring it out in the open to ask you, to get your commitment. Because you answering those questions and signing something is the big kuna here.
That's your agreement. That's the fraud. There wasn't full disclosure. Right there off the top level, you got them.
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Well, yeah. Voluntary, just like they're talking about other things. The the things with the car is set up as a voluntary system, but the police don't know it. So they charge things, and the people getting charged don't know it, so they don't argue it. And and so my point in the traffic stuff is it starts with registering the car as a vehicle, and that brings on all the other obligations for using it on the highway. But that's voluntary. Like you said, for other things, it's all set up as voluntary.
[01:31:28] Unknown:
Yep. So, anyway, back to this Plessy thing. I'm not sure what your point was, but, yeah, the federal government really only had jurisdiction over Plessy. But, yet, it that one of the ways to get to the Supreme Court with a case is either through the federal district courts, which they may I don't even know if they were set up at that point. But, or the state goes to the state Supreme Court and then goes to the Supreme Court. So there's a track there even though it has to do with state citizens to get that case case to the highest court.
[01:32:05] Unknown:
It doesn't actually do with state citizens. It's just The US citizens. Well, I'm missing Danny. You're missing my point totally.
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Can we move on? Okay. Yep. I'll just let people know about that. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Does anybody have any comment on all that? Mark, what do you, weigh in on all that? Marks took off. Because you it's, it's real interesting as you get into debt. Kind of both saying the same thing,
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Roger. Yes. I I I think you're both kind of saying the same thing. You're coming from the state side. Danny's coming from the federal side. Okay. Well, since he was considered because of that 1 black to be a citizen of The United States.
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And, well, my my my whole point is I've gotten to a place where I understand it doesn't have anything to do with color. It's really this political status underlying it that, when they wanna manifest it in color in color and ethnicity, which brings me back to the point that I believe the civil war was started to get the and the amendment into the constitution so they could control the world and pit us against each other a hundred and something years later. Okay? And I'm gonna tell you what buttresses that. It just hit me the other day. They were at the very same time or even a bit before already grooming Schofield, weren't they?
Weren't they? Yeah. I would say so. They were they were looking already that far ahead with the part that's getting us right now. That's what's got us a problem. Right here today is the damn Christian Zionist that got into Trump's cabinet and are supporting this Israeli crap. That was thought and fomented back in the same time, if not before the civil war. So you know they were already thinking that far down the road and had plans.
[01:34:16] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. They're they're very I mean, they war play stuff out against, well, they know people. I mean, psychologically, they know how to play every side of the game. They war gamed it out. They've taken our tax dollars to fund those war games and and, you know, after after World War two, they brought all the German scientists over here. Yeah. I I think that was project paper clip, if I'm not mistaken. And It was. You know, it just really got advanced after World War two. But, yeah, they're they're thinking way down the line. This isn't this isn't a five year plan, a ten year plan.
It's a forever plan that they are constantly working on. And if if somehow you're able to cut them off one direction, then they've already got a backup plan. Or they may even have to back up. So sometimes it's, you know, three steps forward and two steps back, but they keep moving forward. Always. And, ultimately, it's not gonna end till, you know, the return of Jesus. Well, now this is what Thomas Thomas
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Jefferson said. The only way you can deal with this is constant vigilance. You gotta constantly watch them, constantly try and impute as best you can what their moves are leading to because they're so long term, and that's our duty. Okay? But if you look at that, this part on the religious side, the spiritual side, the dispensationalism stuff that Schofield brought to us through Darby, who was the guy previously in England. Darby, I believe, was his name. They They kinda started this rapture stuff and all of that. They co opted it. They found Schofield, who was a a a retrobate, already had to had abandoned two families, an alcoholic, left all kinds of debts, purported to be a preacher, and they took him to New York and out came the Scofield Bible.
That has set up dispensation where all these fools think that Israel, just because they use the damn word here's our here's our word games again. Just because they use the word Israel, they they think Jesus was a Jew and all the other crap that these people have sowed over all these centuries. And, you can see that it's a very important part of their game here today. As we approach the end game, they were thinking about this a hundred and fifty years ago. Oh, I'm sure they were. That's why I it even brings more validity to the fact that the civil war was started to get these two amendments in there so that they knew they Oh, we know. We noticed.
Go ahead. Go ahead, Roger. I'm sorry. I was just going to say they knew how they operated and they knew what they were going to do. They knew they were going to bankrupt the country. They'd done that with all European countries already. They knew they were going to do that. They set it up with the federal reserve, did things like pass the birth federal birth, certificate act in the twenties and set all that stuff to back the new bonds after they bankrupted the country on the old bonds. There's a long term plan. I'm Jesus.
I'm telling you, the scope of the old thing, when you add that element in there, it nails my thesis, I think.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the the Civil War wasn't about slavery at all. That was what Lincoln used to keep the Europeans out of supporting the South. Because the the European countries were were dependent upon the the products that were coming out of the South like cotton and so Oh, yeah. So the only way that Lincoln can keep from from, blocking them
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from supporting the South was to make it over, quote, slavery, and it was never about slavery. No. The more of an obvious provocation was it was about taxes. They were importing and exporting the giant and unfinished goods coming back from England. From the cotton, they'd exported them, and they're taking a piece of both ways. And up north, they were just doing manufacturing stuff. They weren't necessarily importing. And now we come back to tell Trump's tariffs, don't we? Because it's a tariff situation. They exacerbated that. And if you remember, they started the time they tried I heard somebody mention it in conversation the other day, the at lunch.
The the time they tried was in the Panhandle Of Florida, and there was a federal fort there. It's close to Pensacola. And under treaty, they were not supposed to resupply it, and they caught them resupplying the fort. So, evidently, they were gonna try and use that to spark the war, and that got uncovered and exposed, and they moved to Fort Sumter in South Carolina. Interesting. Yep. Roger. Yes. Larry.
[01:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Question for you and a question for Mark. Mark, this, 15103, how did you hear about this? And did you help a student with it, and what were the results? And, Roger, if you didn't if you don't believe Jesus was a Jew, what do you believe he was?
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A carpenter.
[01:39:34] Unknown:
Well, I think he was an Israelite and not a Jew. Okay? And you're using the, the, tribe of Judah as a basis for this, and, I just don't believe he would came from that lineage. He he fought him too hard, Larry. K? So that's my answer to that.
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Roger?
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There's Gary gonna chime in with something more specific, I'm sure.
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Jesus' lineage was of the tribe of Judah. The common mistake nowadays is associating the word Jew with the tribe of Judah. Correct. It is not the same thing. It is just another wordplay that they have chosen to do. If you plainly go to revelations if you go to Revelation two nine and three nine, it plainly tells you in the King James Bible, in the Geneva Bible, in the all of them, Jews are of the synagogue of Satan. It's right there.
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Yep. Sure is. And that's not the, that's not the tribe of Judah. They're impostors, Larry. Everything they ever do is a trick or a false, a false solution, of of reality.
[01:41:02] Unknown:
It's the only way they've done all this. You believe that Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, but he was not a Jew. Is that what you believe, Roger? Yes. That's what I believe.
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Jew means Judean. Inhabitants of Judea. Jesus was a Galilean.
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Okay. Thank you.
[01:41:26] Unknown:
Alright. You wanna go, Mark? What about this? Okay. The more but I'll I'll answer my question too, please.
[01:41:33] Unknown:
Yeah. There's been some students who, sent that out. I've helped them with that. Not a big deal. We haven't had any responses. That that was the end of it, but that's probably only been within the last, I don't know,
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month, two months Well, this that they've sent those in. So I think But that was so far, that's just been the end of it. I think somebody's got a new commissioner, a new director up there, and they got this problem dumped on their desk. And they said, well, let's just take this CP 59 and send it to all these people. I think that's what's going on. Okay? Just to test you again, just respond to it in some way, shape, or form. Send them what you already sent them or do this form or both. K?
[01:42:24] Unknown:
Mark, do you, include any other paperwork with the, with that document?
[01:42:30] Unknown:
No. I'll put in an, you know, a copy of my affidavit and just a brief cover letter explaining, you know, why I don't have a filing requirement.
[01:42:43] Unknown:
I I if even if you didn't respond, I don't believe there didn't anything further come of it. This is another jab to provoke you or see what you know, try and motivate you. They're looking for an answer, and there isn't one for them. Go ahead, Mark.
[01:43:00] Unknown:
Well, I disagree with not responding. You need to respond to the c p 59 and the five eighteen. You need to respond to those because if you don't, they're going to do a substitution for return, and they're gonna start the collection process. So you do need to respond to that letter some way, somehow.
[01:43:22] Unknown:
But they can't just jump to it to putting up a a SFR in there. There's process. They gotta send you these letters. They're gonna send you some more if you don't respond to them. Then they're gonna send you the ninety day letter maybe. But see, they gotta have a foundational jurisdiction to do all that. Okay? And they don't. I just think this is a bluff scenario. I'm not telling you not to respond to it. I just said if someone didn't, I don't believe there'd be anything subsequent that would happen. That's just a suspicion. K.
So by all means, do one or the other or both. Send them the the form, send them another copy of what you already sent them, or both. K?
[01:44:06] Unknown:
If I may? Yes, ma'am. At Pima, Michigan. So would there be a letter that would be sent out as, you know, saying this is not a filing, but this is I'm notifying you that I'm not paying it, not do not consider this a filing. There's some paperwork or something I heard someone referred to. Well,
[01:44:32] Unknown:
that that's the should have been the original notice in that top of the letter that you sent them that you could easily resend them again if you kept a copy, and I hope you did. It's very prudent to keep copies of everything you send, and then go ahead and get this one three one zero five, if that's the new no correct nomenclature, and and address that. K? That's what I'd suggest, Pam. Listen. They're just they can't get over this. You've nailed them. They're trying to do anything they can do to get you back in the fold. And like I said, I know for a fact that a couple of months ago, there was three new IRS commissioners in one week because I heard them talking about it. So that's the turnover they're having up there, and these people get these problems dumped on them. And they don't know what else to do but try stuff like this. That's what I think is going on.
[01:45:29] Unknown:
Roger. Well, the c p 59 is not a new letter. It's been around. No. It's been around the whole time.
[01:45:36] Unknown:
This is what John thought was a confirmatory writing Or they could lock you into a contract in a voluntary system on the front end because most patriots, when they get that, throw it right in the round file.
[01:45:53] Unknown:
Yep. Throw it in the trash for those who don't know what the round file is.
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And and and that then, they've got the if you go back the way John explained it to us, is he said a confirmatory writing. It's in specialty contracts under the uniform commercial code along with your ten forty statute staple. It's in there too. Okay? So this is over there, and it's a writing between merchants who are appraised to know the contents of the writing. And that if you get one and you don't expressly refuse within ten days, it's considered you've agreed. It's a reverse. Another reason these people, you know they're using the Babylonian merchant code because they understand these things perfectly and know how to weaponize them and use them against you who don't know anything about it. K? And you throw it in the round file. And now they've got a way to go on. And this is for people that don't file because their object, as Mark was saying, was to get to where they can do what's called a substitute for return or an SFR, and they have to press the computer code, push code o nine.
And when they do it, it stops the computer process, and the computer is programmed correctly. So the computer says we can't go any further because there's not a statute staple, a ten forty form filed. So they stop the process with that code. They fill out what they have come to the conclusion that you owe, and then they put that it's called a dummy return in Patriot circles, and they put that dummy return in there while the computer stopped with push code o nine, and they let it back off. And then there's a filing of a a return. And so now I can go to assessment and collection.
K? When John got all of this information Mark, have you heard that story about what Glenn did with this?
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Yeah. I mean, didn't they turn it into like a teaching series and Well, what they they notified the IRS what they were doing or They got well, yeah. But no, this part was long after that. John had already died. I was on with Al Attis once a week.
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And had a, listener, Ellis, I think was his name. And he had been studying IRS manuals for all these years. You know? Okay. Manuals with all this code stuff in it. Yeah. Well, he didn't understand the process, but he knew the internal workings. Then, because, Al said, hey. I know this guy, this. I said, well, I'll put him together with Glenn. Well, Glenn knew the whole process. So when those two got together, that's how they they put it all together. And so what they did was they had a a doctor in San Diego who had two counts of failure to file. And so Glenn would write all the process.
They found a law firm that would work with him and present his paperwork, and they took him on failure to file to district court. Well, he got convicted, and they appealed it up to the ninth circuit. And and they, also confirmed. And that's when Glenn walked away from all this. He said, look, Rob. He said, it's so complex that not only can the jury not understand it, the judge can't understand it.
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Yeah. That's That's when you need
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Here's the proof in the pudding. After that happened, DOJ put a nation national moratorium on anyone bringing up push code o nine at the district court level. Right. Wow. You can't bring it up.
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That's crazy.
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Okay. So but they won't just jump to that. There's a long process, including tax court. They gotta give you what they send a ninety day letter, and you've got ninety days to either deal with it or, so you've got to petition tax court. You know, you've got to be the petitioner, which means that you now have the burden of proof and you can't you can't argue anything in that tax court that isn't about the amount. That's the only thing you can argue. Okay? Yeah. Then they gotta go through that. Then they gotta go to lien levies, garnish, but whatever. Okay. So there's a long process that takes a long time, so it's not gonna happen overnight. Okay? Go ahead, Mark. I agree.
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Yeah. I agree with that.
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So, so that's what it is. I think somebody at IRS, so they're freaking out. You heard the comment. Mark, I think you may I don't know if you're with us that day. Somebody came on and they had contacted the IRS because they hadn't got their ROE back. And the lady started yelling at them. You're going to jail. You're going to jail. We've got a 100,000 of these things. They're feeling the pressure.
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Right.
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You should you should have some, pride in that, Roger. They're really paying for the Oh, man. Ex money they took from you. I love sticking it up these people's ass. Okay. I mean, really.
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And, and so the more it piles on and they get a new director in there and they see all these problems and they got this one, it's particularly bad. Don't forget, what we're doing is exiting the debt of the fraudulent debt that they've compiled, which is their power. They wanna take that and transfer it for generations compounding of compounding of compound interest. Will we sever ourselves from that? That's the real important part here, really.
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Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And by the way, it doesn't look like they're gonna be getting rid of income tax. It's just it's too much money. It's too much control. It's too much debt. It's just I don't think it's gonna happen.
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Well, see, this is one thing we could challenge is the fraudulent aspect of the debt if we could get enough numbers. We gotta get the numbers. Then there's things like that we can really push on, and it's real sensitive to them. You can see. Was that a female? Somebody wanna say something?
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Yeah, Roger. Thank you so much for this topic and the conversation today. So if you can see that, there'll be some people that will wanna change and not pay, you know, for these promissory, you know, volunteer things. And there'll be people that don't wanna change. And so I think you may never get rid of taxes, like you said. But there's also, the fact that, I don't know if you're aware, but there's a king's something going on here about the king's no king.
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No king day. That's today. The bad guys declared no king day. And Trump said, well, hell, I'm not a king. I gotta go through all kind of crap to get stuff done.
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Right. And so, would a treaty, supersede any amendments or,
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things like that? A treaty can't I don't believe a treaty can supersede the constitution and its values. If so, it's unconstitutional, and it shouldn't be ratified. So that's what I think. Isn't that about right? What you didn't think, Mark? Absolutely. I totally agree with that. Yep. Okay. In other words, some agreement can't overcome the founding documents in the founding agreement. So that, go go ahead.
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If a treaty is ratified by the senate, it does supersede the constitution. Otherwise, it doesn't.
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Okay. Well, I'm not sure if that's the discussion for today because we don't have the right time. But, anyway, go ahead, Pam. I think it's Pam. Well, and I appreciate the feedback. Thank you. These are all important issues if not the other, than it helps bolster people's confidence. We got people that can't sleep at night for fear of firing a filing an affidavit, and the IRS comes and kicks down their door. And that had never happened because they got this long process we just described that they've gotta go through.
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Exactly. And these people, you go to a restaurant or any type of place that you don't want pickles on your sandwich. Okay? Or you don't want cheese, and all of a sudden, these people go into a, override. Somebody come here, come talk to the machine, and they don't know how to over talk. Right? We don't get along with machines.
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Wow. Well, we're fixing to have some big problems if that's something.
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Change either. Right. When you count that when you learned how to count back change as a direct, sales, you know, farmer selling your goods and services, you knew how to count change back. These people don't know how to do it unless it tells them on that little
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thing right there. I mean What yep. I I know you're right. Something else I was gonna say, oh, don't and you can't rely on AI because they've people catch Brock and Grok or what all these AI things are making mistakes all the time. People that really know the subject matter, and they'll ask them and they'll give Brock will give you a a list of things back and they'll go, but didn't you forget this and this and this? I go, oh, yes, we did. So you can't always depend on the AI answers either.
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Yeah. AI is biased too. So, like, if you start asking about vitamins and supplements and stuff like that, it will give you the the negative response Yeah. You know, really, it's just sad.
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Yeah. So got a couple minutes left here. Pardon me, Pam? Go ahead.
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So it must be a programmer issue. It's not coming from God. Well, yes. Definitely. Very true.
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Of course. Well, it's garbage in garbage out. It's like the people that ask it for, the, you know, founding fathers of America, and they were all black. You know, that kind of bias right there. Oh, I was gonna say, you wanna know about Pam Bondi. Did you know this or see the clip of this, Mark? Or she came out the other day and they've gone after a coffee shop that is owned by Arabs because it's they won't allow Jews, and they've made this coffee of something real negative about the the relationship between the two. Did you see her get on TV and talk about that?
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No. I didn't.
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Here, this woman is with Jeffrey Epstein, all the gins. I mean, all the crap that's not getting addressed. And she goes on Fox News and talks about busting a coffee shop that won't allow Jews in and may can you believe they made a coffee named? Come on, man. Who's pulling your strings, Wandie? Come on. Yeah.
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APAC.
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Of course. I mean, she was the attorney general of Florida. You can't get much more up to your neck in those people than being associated with Florida, especially South Florida. Yeah. So, anyway, well, we're about into the day. Have anybody got anything real quick?
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Yeah. Checking out. Yeah.
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Yeah. Alright. Let's go, Paul. Let's go with the guy here. Yes, sir?
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Yes. Gregory here. I mentioned it at the after show yesterday, this documentary that this, producer made. It's called Barnum's World. It's very revealing.
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Barnum World. And There's no s. Come over. It's, it's on YouTube, Barnum World. There's no s at the end. It is a tongue and cheek comedy mockumentary, and it's actually a really good primer for people that are asleep. It, demonstrates in a very real fashion, the repetitive phrases and stuff that are crammed down people's throats to make them falsely believe that they're free and this is the best country in the world, and we have to come together, and this is the most important election in American history and blah blah blah blah blah yada yada yada. Search YouTube for Barnum World.
Barnum World. And I would do it quickly because I don't expect it to be up long. As far as treaties, let's see. I learned something new. According to AI, Noah, treaty cannot supersede the United States Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and treaties are subordinate to it. While treaties are also considered part of the supreme law of the land, they cannot violate the constitution's provisions. It has to do with the supremacy clause. The constitution's supremacy clause establishes that the constitution law is passed by congress and treaties made under the authority of The United States are the supreme law of the land.
So
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Beecraft uses example of the hunt hunting the wild fowl thing with we signed with Canada about a hundred and something years ago. Before that, you could get unlimited amounts of ducks and geese, and they limited those to preserve the species. And then we changed our hunting laws to agree with that. They they it wasn't they couldn't shoot them. They just had some restrictions. And so that's what it was. Alright. There's our whistler. We're done for the day and the week for me. So I'll have an abbreviated day and a half weekend. It's, it should, be good. Sun's coming out just as we close, which is very nice because I'm running out to have some expat lunch stuff going on.
And, so we'll see you back on Monday. We'll see what today brings, what the weekend brings. Also, Paul reminded me, tomorrow, the fifteenth, is the August commemoration of the signing of the Magna Carta. K? So, that I thought was pretty important. And, glad we got a chance to mention it mention it. We'll, look for you next week and with whatever remnants we've got left of a country. So we'll see. It should be a very interesting seventy two hours till we reconvene, and we'll see you then. Hope you got something out of the show today. Thank you. Okay. Mother Earth, we're gonna let them put your body down. Crosby, Stills, and Nash without Young.
Yep. Gotta do it. See you soon. Ciao. Okay. Well, I'm on a schedule today, so I'm not gonna stick around after show. Y'all are welcome to, of course. And, we'll see you, Monday. And if not Monday, we'll see you soon. Thanks, Mark. Always good glad to have you along. There's Sketch with his dinner bell, a lunch bell. Sketch, you know what they call, lunch in, Spanish?
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No. I forget.
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Almorso.
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Almorso. Almorso.
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So I'm going to Roger Morso. The hombres. Yes, sir?
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I I did wanna mention before people get off, there's been a few people that didn't get their tax returns, and it might be because they got stolen by two former UPS employees. They indicted for stealing 80,000,000 treasury checks in Philadelphia. Woah.
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Man. So 80,000,000
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in tax refund checks or 80,000,000 checks?
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Probably in. Sketch.
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I don't see a problem. They can always print up more checks.
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Yeah. Understood. The headline said 80,000,000 treasury checks.
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Wow. It's in the chat. They were busy times. I can't imagine 80,000,000
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nonresident returns. Maybe we're making more progress than we thought, Mark.
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I can't imagine there was 80,000,000 checks in Pennsylvania. Where was that in Pennsylvania?
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Oh, yeah. Philadelphia service center is all nonresident alien returns.
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Wow. Yeah. Well, maybe that's where people's refunds are.
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They're gone. Maybe we'll find out more about it. It was and it was gone. Okay. You just which is exactly what I'm going to be here in just a So, you know, I love and appreciate all of you, and I'll, see you next week. So have a great abbreviated weekend. Glad you took time out of your weekend to join us. Love you. Ciao.
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Thanks, Raj. And off he goes, like a happy camper. Alright. I'm going to, I'm gonna take this thing down, as well, get things wrapped up so I can get started on my weekend as well. This has been the Sabado edition of the Radio Ranch with Rogers Sales. Thank you so much for joining us. You can catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern time on a number of platforms as it were. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. It is thematrixd0cs.com, where you will find links to Eurofolk Global Voice Radio, free conference call, interviews, exhibits, downloadables, all kinds of fun stuff. Thanks so much for joining us today. We'll catch you right back here for the Monday edition of the Radio Ranch with Don Casareb and Roger Sales.
Thanks so much. We will shoot you later.
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Oh, Alvin. Oh, Alvin. So would we, my friend. We try. We try. We try. And we'll continue to try. We'll see if we can affect it just a little bit. Here's another stab at it on Saturday, the Sabado edition. And it is the fourteenth as we've got past the thirteenth, I guess. The fourteenth here. Very well, we'll see how the fourteenth is gonna turn out as we get through it. Today is going to be, could be quite volatile. We'll see Radio Ranch here. You're dialed into with host Roger Sales. And, boy, we use it. Paul's usually got a whole bunch of folks, but except on Saturday, I don't think that's the, the routine. I believe we have a light compliment. Paul, is that correct?
Yes. We do. What was the assisting assisting platforms? Is that what we could classify them as?
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Yes. We are just on, eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, Global Voice Network. It's radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And we're also, connected to free conference call so so people can join us on the show. Very, very light, very light day.
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Well, it's, and sometimes some of the the best shows of the week are on Saturday because of I don't know why. Just because Saturday. Saturdays and Thursdays seem to be the different days to me. So, anyway, here we go. Of course, it's the, the fourteenth, and, it's, president Trump's birthday. Mhmm. Oh, who I've I've just lost a little bit of of my get up and go for mister Trump with this, Iran thing. And I'm really, really sorry that that has happened. It shouldn't have happened. It's also the two hundred and fiftieth, anniversary of the army, I'm told.
I believe someone said it's flag day. I don't know if those two are intentionally assigned on the same day. And, it's the big parade in, DC, which evidently, Paul, they said, one of the, the bad sponsors said they're not gonna put a a cell, if you will, in, DC because they don't want it to gain any attention. They want the attention to be in the other places in the country they're planning on burning down or whatever the hell their plans are. We'll we'll find out as we go forward. But, it's gonna be a very eventful day nonetheless. And, I don't know. There may be RV events starting. I I have no idea, but maybe some in the audience do.
I would assume it's a little early for the the little boy and girl freaks to get out and do their communistic crap, but it may not be. You just never know. Well, it seems they've already started. Have they? Okay. Where where have they started already?
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Brooklyn Park, Minnesota from Fox nine. Two Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses were shot by someone impersonating a police officer. Sources confirmed to Fox nine rep Melissa Horton and her husband, Mark, were killed. Senator John Hoffman and his wife were shot in the overnight shootings in Champlin. Minnesota governor Tim Walz is cautiously optimistic they will survive. So four people were shot, two died, one in stable condition and one in unknown condition at this time.
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I that is not a good way to start this morning. Was that last night that that happened, or is that already happened this morning?
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That that was overnight. The shooting occurred in Brooklyn Park and Champlin, Minnesota.
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Okay. Obviously, around Minneapolis, Saint Paul, I would think. Both Democrats. Both Democrats?
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Yeah.
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Some were dressed up as a cop, impersonating a cop, came up and shot them, murdered two of them?
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In their homes
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overnight. In their in their homes. Oh my god. Yep. Started moving from the apartment
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to Champlin, and they've got Champlin locked down with, police and, armored vehicles and everything else.
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Wow. Well, let's hope that's not the norm, around the country. These, I've I've run out of adjectives for them. They're they're they're the most detestable scum that has ever walked the face of the earth, and they've been doing this crap for a long time. And it's coming to some sort of a head. I I just am quite the thing is, no. Israel attacked Iran, except that on the way back. of all, they evidently had you gotta tip your you know, what was what was Brent saying yesterday about respecting your fellow man? And I was thinking I wanted to inject whether you like them or not. Because I hate these bastards, but you gotta respect the way they do things, and you gotta be aware of it. You gotta know their MO so that you're a little bit aware of as they lay these long term plans out.
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Mhmm.
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Because they've been Owen came up yesterday with another headline from 1984, some newspaper. Oh, Iran's gonna have a nuclear bomb in two weeks. That that's forty years they've been monarch. And then, as I mentioned, I believe yesterday, there was a point where he went through Netanyahu got elected the time or appointed or whatever the hell they do with these maniac wackos over there in about 1996, I think. And he harped on Iran for a couple of years. And then around 09/11, he shut up, I guess. And, about 02/2003, they started up again, and Owen went through every year with a quote. '3, 02/2004, 02/2005, '2 all the way up to 2025 every year.
It's twenty two years of next week. Next week. It's coming next week. And then they finally get the okay. They want us to do it for them, of all, and then and then that isn't gonna fly through any of those administrations. And, and then they go ahead and do it themselves, but they had support from us. And there was a support on the front end, and I've forgotten what that was. And then there's support on the back end. And the back end that I do remember is there's a, in Qatar, you know, all the hubbub about Qatar, Paul? Mhmm. Lately. And there's a base they have there for refueling with those refuelers, and they, Jordan gave them permission to fly over their airspace, and they, went in and topped off the Israeli jets as they headed home to make sure they'd have enough fuel.
So, whether it was overtly and directly or indirectly like this and the other way, I wish I could remember the other thing. We, we have aided them in this, and, I'm afraid we're gonna pay the piper on this. We'll see. Anyway, it's a it's a sad situation to me to and I I just don't know everything or what's gonna happen. I guess they've retaliated a a little with some of their missiles. They've got some pretty good stockpile of missiles evidently, and they've sent some missiles over there to, Satan's sandbox, but I believe they've taken care of some of them with their Golden Dome, of course, which we gave them and, our involvement again. And, but maybe some of them got few. I don't believe they had any warheads on them because who knows if Iran's got nuclear warheads. They've been saying they're not interested in it for a long time.
Of course, they have been helping to supply weapons to the other people that hate these these bastards in that in their backyard. And The US is very culpable here. They knew what was gonna go on, and, the control of our government by these sleazy bastards. And that was back in, I guess, around the forties and around when I was born, '48, I believe, is when Forrestal, a real royal royal loyal blooded American was, the state department. The circulating paper was this will absolutely call cause pandemonium in that part of the world, recognizing the Israelis have given them a state. And, of course, mister Forrestal, for his efforts, took a swan dive off the Bethesda Naval Hospital, room he was in.
And, he's nobody else has got an answer for these bastards, folks. Nobody else except us little guys and girls right here. We got the answer that shuts them up. It's the only time. I've studied this stuff a lot over many years, and I've never seen anywhere anyone had these son of a bitches backed into a corner like we do. Never. In history, I've never seen it. Does anybody in the audience come across anything like we've got on these guys ever in history?
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No. But the quest the question is, collateral damage is a thing. You know? I mean, we've got them, we've got them locked down, but in but as chaos evolves, the the best thing we could do is just stay out of the way. That's
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Well, you Oh, man. You know, the only thing they're scared of in the whole world is people. They're not they got plenty of money. They got a lot of influence. The the but they're scared as hell of the people rising up because they are very well aware of that relationship where there's, like, billions of us and a couple of thousand of them. And even though those people aren't free, they're scared of them. Right. Somebody trying to say something there? Tom. Tom?
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Yeah. I'm, Hey, Tom. I'm watching this thing. How are you doing?
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I could be doing better if this shit wasn't going on. I I when I woke up, I mean, today, I heard no one talking about it. The,
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I'm listening to the I'm listening to this hypocrite, governor. What's his face?
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Walls? Tim
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tampon Tim. Oh, we need to settle our things, you know, peacefully. We need to, you know, we not don't have violence and all that. You know what? You guys are the king of violence. Why don't you tell that to all your little followers? And, now they said they found a manifesto in the police car, a list of, a list of people that were gonna be taken out. So, you know, had this been a Republican, they probably wouldn't even have heard about it. Very interesting. Just just discuss me. This guy is such a hypocrite. Oh, we can settle our differences. We don't need to do violence. Yeah. Well, what about all your criminal friends there?
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Yeah. What about his pisses me off when I watch something like this. What about his wife when he was running with, Kamala, and his wife had a sound bite from back in the Minneapolis destruction days of BLM? And, his his wife his wife said, well, I love to open the window and smell the burning tires or whatever she said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's really pretty pretty funny. Tires in the morning. Bitch. You commie, bitch.
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I know.
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Yep. I know. And and, you know, and they're just rolling in now. It's just, you know, some kind of excuse now that the is it gonna light up the whole country, today? You know, who we don't know who the hell it was. It could have been a it could be another re you know, just trying to get everybody wound up so they can go in there. And, when people start getting violent, go in there and take everybody out.
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Right. Tom, can you talk right in your phone? Are you on your magic head or, Tom, are you on your magic headset today? I'm on the phone. I'm on the phone. I'm on the phone. Not the Are you talking right into the microphone? Because you sound you're not you're we can hear you, but you sound a little distant. So oh, well, we'll do the things we hear. Yeah. Just gotta
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just clear up there.
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I was trying to pull him down a little bit. So stuff, and it's pissing me off.
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I know. I I get pissed off. I'll just sit back and listen. Okay. Well, no. Don't help me communicate if we don't have it. Rather than me get up here in soapbox for two hours. I don't know how many folks we've got with us today. But, yeah, it's just really syncing. There's some folks. Okay. Yeah. Somebody got something to add here?
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Yes, sir. I got something, Roger.
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God. You sound worse than Tom. We're, can you talk right in your microphone?
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I'm working on it. I'm talking right into it. I'm on a landline, cordless, and I've got
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it right in front of my mouth on speaker. Alright. Alright. We're we're alright. Go ahead with what you got, your piece.
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Well, I just had an update. I hadn't chimed in in probably over a year. I listen all the time. I'm a national and gone through the process, you know. Got my affidavit on file with the secretary of state and bunch of agencies, including the IRS. Did it over three years ago. And Good. Last Thursday excuse me?
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I said good. Last last
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last Thursday, I, got a something in the mail from the IRS that I thought I would share with the group.
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Okay. Is it a CP 59 letter?
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Yep. It is. Yep. So there you go. Everybody else is getting I'm pretty sure I heard Mark in all caps talking about this with the lady that got one on the program here a few weeks ago. It's, it was triggered, I think, by the, inflation reduction act, probably. But, anyway, I've got a letter that I wrote that I'm I think it's okay. I thought I'd run it by y'all and see what you think of it Okay. Before I mail it because I am going to get it turned around Monday morning. I'm treating it like a confirmatory writing. I don't trust these people.
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Yeah. You got every So this is my letter.
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So this is my letter. My my address, my greeting is to the Internal Revenue Service. Enclosed, please find a copy of the correspondence I received from the IRS and a copy of my citizenship evidence that has been on file with the US Secretary of State and the Internal Revenue Service for over three years. As a nonresident alien individual, I am not required to file a federal income tax return. This is because I have provided The US secretary of state with citizenship evidence indicating my intent to be a US national, which is deceptively labeled a nonresident alien in CFR title twenty six one point one dash one a.
US nationals are considered nonresident aliens for r IRS purposes. Nonresident alien individuals are only liable for the constitutional taxes described in section six seventy one b and six seventy seven b of the IRS code. Eight eight eight seventy one and seventy seven,
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not six. So It's not correct. That. It's 8. No. It's 8. 8. 871 and 877
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8. Okay. Good. Let me I'm gonna make a note of that right here because I'm gonna be reprinting this. 887.
[00:18:53] Unknown:
Okay. Got that. You might wanna go ahead and remove US national and just put national.
[00:19:00] Unknown:
Yep. You might wanna take The US out of there. I don't think it'll mess you up, but then you absolutely know you're correct. K?
[00:19:09] Unknown:
Okay. And then, so where was the so yeah. So, nonresident alien individuals are only liable for event I accrue earnings that fall under sections eight seventy one b or eight seventy seven b, I will pay those taxes. My intent is to pay all taxes that are lawful. Income from my labor is not subject to income tax assessment, and since I am not a US citizen or a resident, I am not required to file yearly returns. Please adjust your records to reflect that I am a nonresident alien individual and not required to file a ten forty form. I send this in good faith and with clean hands. Regards.
[00:20:02] Unknown:
That's good. That's very good. Just straighten out the eight seventy one and eight seventy seven, and you ought to be fine. Alright. Okay. Hey. I was hoping to do that. I'm sitting there thinking I'm sitting there thinking Mark's gonna is supposed to be with us on Saturdays, and by golly Well, you said taxes, didn't you? You said taxes, like, three times. So I know. Came out like a genie out of the bottle. Well, good morning, everyone. That we're we're hearing from. What what was your name again?
[00:20:35] Unknown:
This is Matt in Tennessee.
[00:20:38] Unknown:
Oh, okay, Matt. I haven't talked
[00:20:40] Unknown:
yeah. I haven't called in a while, but I I I'm always listening, though. I I usually catch the archive. I keep up. I just don't contribute much. But since I've got this stuff that's happening, I figured I would contribute to this department.
[00:20:55] Unknown:
Matt, do you What, do you have that What town? You have that CP 59 letter in front of you by chance?
[00:21:02] Unknown:
Yes. I do. Okay. Go ahead, Roger. We'll come back. We'll circle back to that. Gonna ask him what town. I'm trying to jog my memory. What town are you in in the great state of Tennessee?
[00:21:13] Unknown:
I am in the the big town of Palmersville.
[00:21:18] Unknown:
Oh, boy. Okay. That was that was on the map. Where is that? Is that between Nashville and Memphis? I'm literally about
[00:21:27] Unknown:
about two hours Northeast of Memphis. And, I I am literally about 12 miles from a town called Podunk, Kentucky.
[00:21:38] Unknown:
Okay. So you're close to the river and the border. Okay. Odunk or Paducah?
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Paducah is about fifty minutes.
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Okay. Okay. I've been I've been to Paducah. Get the You know where the university is? No. I'm not familiar with that.
[00:21:58] Unknown:
Well, that I live in the county with the University of Tennessee at Martin.
[00:22:02] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Well, good. Well, that's a good letter. And I bring the a good letter. We've got this echo going on again. So I'm well, I know there's a little echo there, so it causes us to step on each other. I'll shut up and let Mark say his piece here. Welcome, Mark and Straw.
[00:22:24] Unknown:
And good morning, everybody. The thing is with that CP letter, the the there's a easier way than than writing a big long letter, and they give you an opportunity to fill out a form one five one zero three. One five one zero three. You'll see that reference in that letter. You can go out on the web and pull that down pretty easily. I believe it's two pages. And one of the options, for you're not filing a tax return is nonresident alien. And so instead of trying to teach them why you don't owe a tax, you can just put that down there, throw in your affidavit that you previously filed and be done with it. But the but it completes their it completes their circle. You you gotta give them what they want what they want.
And and one of the options on that on that form one five one zero three is you tell them you didn't file because you're a nonresident alien. And, throw that in there. Now there is a line when it when it, it, asked for reason. I put that, as a nonresident alien, I didn't have any income tax under 26 CFR one dot one dash one a, and I and then done. That's it. I fill out the rest, the top, the in that section and then my signature, and I give them what they want. And it lines up with what we're doing, so everybody's happy.
[00:24:03] Unknown:
Well, I really appreciate that advice, Mark, because I did see that. And my thinking was to not cooperate since I've got them by the balls anyway. But now that you've explained it in the way you've explained it Right. I'm probably gonna go that route since I I got the letter Thursday. So I've got a little bit of time.
[00:24:29] Unknown:
And and, hey, Matt. You can you can you can put your letter in there with that if you want. I was gonna say send to both of them. Yeah. That's a it's a great letter, by the way. You did you did amazing, and it and it warms the cockles of my heart when listeners have have you know, they've caught on to how to write, you know, a simple letter, that that reinforces our status. So you did a you know, it's a job well done. Congrats.
[00:24:59] Unknown:
Well, thank you. You know? It's a I I just I just know that we've got them. They don't have jurisdiction. And I I know I've heard you, Mark, at great length talk about this, on the forum here. And it's just imbued into my being. They
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they're a fraud.
[00:25:23] Unknown:
Yeah. They admitted fraud. They tricked us in into agreeing with their fraud, and quite frankly, it pisses me off.
[00:25:29] Unknown:
Oh, shit. Like them. Oh, shit.
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And, and and and having this information has empowered me. I'm not afraid to write these clowns a letter.
[00:25:38] Unknown:
Yep. For you, Matt. Boy, you're a sterling example of a good student here a good student here.
[00:25:44] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger. Well, I just like the truth. Oh, gotcha. Appreciate your information, Roger.
[00:25:50] Unknown:
Okay. Well, great, man. We're and somebody else things that are Okay. Well, what two or three people are trying to get in here? Let's let Mark let's let Mark finish. Couple other folks are wanting to say something. We'll get you in a Finish up on what you're doing, Mark, and I thought you did a real good job on that too.
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Thank you. No. That was that was really all I had.
[00:26:15] Unknown:
Okay. Well, as Mark said, that's all I had. In here. Well, there Mark, I heard you. There's a guy before you. Who was the guy before Marka there?
[00:26:27] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger. This is Frank.
[00:26:29] Unknown:
Wait. Who was Matt in Tennessee that he said he had some more questions?
[00:26:35] Unknown:
Yeah. I I just had a couple of more things to add just to just to let you know. It kinda dovetail with this, this idea of of the ineptitude of the frauds that we're dealing with in this system. You know, a couple of years ago after I became a national, I went down to the election office and talked to my county election administrator. His name is Alex Britt. Yeah. He's the weekly county administrator of elections. I spoke with him personally. And at the time, I was a little bit green. I didn't know to ask what the next step in my administrative appeal was.
Yes. And and I had this personal conversation with this guy, and I think I called in and told you about this story. They wanted to shred my voter card, and I wouldn't let them. And, well, here the the weekly county election commission has sent me, a postcard entitled it's addressed dear voter, which, obviously, I'm not a voter. Don't know what I am. Maybe an elector or whatever. Don't I know I'm not a voter. But I've had this conversation with the administrative elections, and they're sending me a card to update my, contact information or my information under as required under TCA two dash two Dash106 b, we are sending you this mailer.
You know, that's it. I talked to the guy that's the administrative elections, and they're still treating me like a voter. I told him I was a national. I gave him a copy of my affidavit. The only thing I didn't do was continue up the chain of command by asking him what the next step in my administrative appeal would be.
[00:28:18] Unknown:
Okay. I can tell you. I think I can answer that question for you from here in Ecuador, and that would be whoever is overseas and in charges of elections at the Tennessee secretary of state's office. I would think that's your next step. You know? Dave and Kaye went through something similar with this, and it was that guy in Alabama that registered them. And then they went back to the registrar and did another registration and attached their affidavit to it, and they voted in the last election. And listen. I'm glad you kinda brought that up because as the years have gone along, I've realized that, the old statement all politics is local.
And, that if for instance, what's the big battleground right now? Whoever's going to be, in the midterm election and try and get the house overturned. So though those are people that affect you and that you should be voting on, I think. So everyone should go to their supervisor of elections and, see if you can, just confront them with this. Now that's about, what, twelve, fourteen, sixteen months before those midterms next year. So these people, instead of going this time next year when they're all covered up, go and and try and make those, those little appointments and that at this point when they're not as busy. That would be a suggestion.
But, yeah, it does matter who your local people are. You know, we had a conversation here the other day about how, the, what the UN thing twenty thirty had reached all the way down to the county level and and some of those, like property records and some of those, things. And that shows you the reach that they've attained. And those boards, like your school boards and the other things, the county commission, they are important. And you can vote on those, and you should be voting on those or at least conscious of them would be my thought. So, good.
Any anything else, Matt?
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One more thing. And just as a note on the voting, I was thinking about just going ahead and just going in cold and just when it on the check mark where it says that I'm a resident, just check just don't check resident or just let them check resident. Because, again, Ertatik v V DRC from 1835 says that what's in possession of the secretary of state should be considered the higher and better form of evidence. So if I vote my elect local election and and and and check that yeah. Yeah. I'm a citizen and vote.
[00:31:07] Unknown:
Let them come back and get me. Well, they won't because now I'm how I'm going about. Well, you're voting here on house members. You're not this isn't a presidential election where you'd have a federal, a federal section for president and vice president. You're just gonna be voting on at the highest, I guess, midterm and local stuff. Maybe a senator. Some a of the senate comes up every two years. You know, they get a six year term instead of a two year term, and they come up a a a So, but I I I really encourage everybody to do that, especially with the awareness building. Okay. Anything else, Matt?
[00:31:47] Unknown:
Yeah. The, the the the my my driver's license getting is getting ready to expire in August. And, you know, I heard Brian Howard, Tuesday. Yes. And he's in Murfreesboro now?
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Yes.
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And his device you know, he even said he has a license now.
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Yes.
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What I'm thinking about just trying to keep my license. I've got a passport I I that I submitted my DS11 and and the the affidavit. I attached the affidavit. Yeah. And, with that document
[00:32:23] Unknown:
That wouldn't be a wise I think it Man, I think it'd be a very wise thing to do. And, but and I appreciate the people that wanna fight this battle. You know? The guy called the other day, said I'm not gonna next year, I'm not gonna have a license or a tag, you know? And I appreciate that spirit. Okay? And I'm not gonna tell you not to do it. But, boy, it just and it's a hard decision to make because if you deserve to get decide to find it and you're in one of those jurisdictions and they just steal, you may win. You very well may win. But even if you do, they've stolen your life to get it because you have to put your whole life on the back burner to learn all the stuff and focus on it and answer this.
And I'm just not sure that it's worth it. And you heard Brian say the same thing. After fifteen years of maturation and not having as much piss and vinegar and and testosterone pumping through his veins, he said the same thing. So, I can't tell you what to do. I won't tell you what to do. We if you get into that and you decide to go the other route, I'm not sure we can help you. We can suggest some things, but it's it's a real it's a real sticky wicket there. So you make the own your own decision. Hey, Roger. I think there's other battles to fight, but, yeah, I know we're all I got three or four people that wanna say something. Okay? I I it's up to you as if you wanna fight that battle or not.
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Well, I'll finish up here so these other people can talk, but I well, I'm I just wanna get back real hurriedly to Ertatiki VDRC from eighteen thirty five. Yeah. You're right. Possession of the Secretary of State is the higher should be considered the higher and better form of citizenship
[00:34:13] Unknown:
evidence. Yes. And it doesn't matter if I say I'm a US citizen on a driver's license application or a voter card. That's correct. Then let them come arrest me. Well, they're not going to, and you're out as always. You're make you're required I'm required to do this or else I'm gonna get in a confrontation on the side of the road with some officers, got less than a 100 IQ and a Glock on his hip. And I don't want that situation. Exactly. All that, Merc, I'll get to you. Okay? Got so Well, I'm done, Roger. Thanks for the time. Thank you. Alright, Matt. Okay. There was another guy before Merca. Who was that? I don't remember your name. I don't remember your name.
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Well, Gary, how's That's Gary. My name now.
[00:34:55] Unknown:
Yes, ma'am. But you were at the end of the line, but you're Gary. Go ahead.
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Mhmm.
[00:35:01] Unknown:
Yeah. If you guys are gonna try to drive with and stuff, you need to send in an alteration to the contract. Everything you do in this society is by contract. Well, when you go get a driver's license or your tags or any of that stuff, there's only one signature on the contract. Alter the contract. I don't know how many times I have to say it that it's all by contract. Yep. And you've gotta rewrite the contract.
[00:35:37] Unknown:
And send it back to d d v DMV?
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Correct.
[00:35:44] Unknown:
I mean, it Try it. Try it, folks. Somebody try it. I've never heard Gary say that before, but go back in and try it. See if it works. Oh, I have. He said it numerous times. Okay. Well, I haven't. So I'm an old man. Give me a little cut a little slack. Okay? Slack. We'll cut we'll touch you. Thank you. Thank you, man. You. You old fart? Okay. Well, let me let me get some order here. Member of Brent's thing on an order yesterday. Mark, I know you're there. There was somebody in front of you as a guy who was somewhat soft spoken somewhat soft spoken. Would you could you you step forward now, sir? We'll try and recognize you. We'll try and recognize you.
[00:36:25] Unknown:
Good morning, Roger.
[00:36:27] Unknown:
Yes. And who is that? Yes. And who is that? This is Frank from Colorado. Hey, Frank. Talk right in your mic phone, man, please.
[00:36:35] Unknown:
Okay. I will do that. I was trying to make sure that I wasn't over modulating. No. You're fine. Can we bring it early in the conversation, you were talking about the, c p five, nine. Yeah. This seems to be the new form of the missus Robinson letter that we all know and love is what I'm gathering because Yeah. I got one, and it sounds like some other members have gotten a number. I ignored this in the eyes of the IRS the time. And what I mean by that is I didn't purposely ignore it, but I didn't respond to them what I believe is in a timely manner. And they sent out a subsequent CP five one eight. Yes. I don't know if the five one eight has been brought up on the show before.
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There's a series they used to put out a booklet, Frank, of these, letters they send out letters they send out. And there's four letters in that series after five nine, and I just don't remember what the numbers are the one you got might be. This is, it's wise to respond to this one even though if you're just shoving something else back at them. This evidently is computer generated. I think your conclusion is right. It's another version of the missus Robinson, except it's not from the state department. It's from the IRS. And it looks and appears to be computer generated, and they fed everybody that's, got an affidavit and sent to them. And probably, it sounds like almost everybody got one of these, would be my guess. Okay? It's a guess.
Makes sense. The the thing I've just seen I would say I would say So I thought Matt did a good job on his. Did a good job on his. I would say just agreed. I'd I'd turn around and send a copy of my original affidavit, my original cover letter, and, just say please make sure this is in your files. And and I thought that, the information that Mark brought us about this form internal form of theirs that could be used to address this, man, we never knew that before. So that is, whatever the form number was. It was five numbers, I think.
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15103.
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15103.
[00:38:50] Unknown:
That's With respect to that, Roger, I agree with everything you say, and I've noticed some differences in the five nine from the five one eight. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Yes. Well, here's the question is regarding that 15103 form. The time I got the notice, it requested me to go to the website and download one, and I didn't even do that. In the five one eight return to me. They included a copy of it this time. So now they're making it easier for me so that I don't even have to go to the website to download it. They're trying to bait me into it. I see. Well, this is the newer, nicer IRS, evidently. Well, here's the thing. I don't even wanna fill this out because, Roger, correct me if I'm wrong.
Somewhere in the past, whatever years that I've been listening,
[00:39:43] Unknown:
there was you you spoke of the concept you don't want to opt back into their system. Well, no. No. No. No. So much sense, and it could be subtle. And I wanna make sure that No. You can't no. I don't know where you I don't know where you heard that, Frank, but I would never tell you that because I under maybe back in the old days when I didn't understand as well as I do now, you can't do anything to opt back in their system except send them another affidavit and say, I don't wanna be a national. I'd rather be a voluntary serve. That'll put you back in there. Makes sense.
[00:40:15] Unknown:
So I'm gonna split a fine line on this. What if so just by de facto filling out an IRS form does not automatically put one? No, sir. Does that include a, a tax return?
[00:40:29] Unknown:
No. I think it's got a section r is for nonresident.
[00:40:32] Unknown:
Right. But this isn't the form. He's talking about the form one five one zero three. It's got a section. No. Because it has a check it has a check spot for being a nonresident. Yeah. That's what I was getting to. Yeah. That's what I was getting to. Yeah. So it's not a paradox. So if I fill out at the storm and check that box, it's not the snake eating itself. No. No.
[00:40:53] Unknown:
Not at all. No. Okay. Not at all. Now let let me let's hey. Let's take a look at what happens if you don't respond to this, if they're asking for a tax return or they're giving you a form number to fill out because you're giving a reason why you don't have to file a return. If you fail to do that, the CP five eighteen is the final reminder that if you don't respond to the earlier notices like the CP 59, the five fifteen, the five sixteen, within about eight weeks, the IRS can start to substitute for return
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for you for you. So I'm responding to all of these, though, and I'm getting rid of the merits bag letter. Even though he initially,
[00:41:36] Unknown:
notified them with a copy of the affidavit, do you think they could still go ahead and They're they're wanting a return.
[00:41:42] Unknown:
Okay. And and if you did initial response and you're getting a follow-up from the IRS, you're in the loop. And I don't think you're gonna break that loop until you file a form one five one zero three. And once you see that section on giving the reason why you're not filing and you have an option to select that you're not a you're not a resident, Then and then below that, you can further explain, like I was saying earlier. And then that's it. And and I totally agree with Roger. This is a little bit of a mindset shift because everybody's scared to death that they're gonna somehow give away their citizenship status. That somehow they're gonna sign some nefarious document and end up being a US citizen again, and I wholeheartedly agree with Roger.
Took me a while to get here. Okay? This isn't just a you know, you don't pick this up right away. This is why, you know, like, Matt in Tennessee listening for, what, two, three years now. And and things start growing on you and you realize, oh, you know, I can I can have a driver's license and still be a nonresident alien? I shouldn't call it that. It it still be a national. Right? Yeah. I can still be a national, and, they've made this system where it is a social norm for me to have a driver's license Yep. To have a tag on my car Yeah. But that doesn't mean I'm not a national.
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Yep.
[00:43:17] Unknown:
The and and the only way that you can give that up and the only person who can determine whether you're a US citizen or a national is you. And like Roger said, if you you know, we've we've had some some things come up where people kinda jump the gun before they really thought about, you know, their national stats are in kind of a complicated situation in their life that most average people don't face. And, you know, they've contemplated having to undo their national status, and all they did is they sent in an affidavit and said, you know, that well, off, your affidavit should say, this replaces and supersedes the previous affidavit and probably give a date of that affidavit.
And then just say, it's my intent to be a US citizen under the amendment. Yep. You're done. Opt right back in. You're back in this you're back in the matrix.
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And Afrohyim d d Rusk is the case on that. Thank thank you, for bringing it up. The fellow from Georgia that brought it up, Allen. I'd never heard of it before. A f r o y I m, I think. Afrohyim, I think. V Rust from 1966 approximately. And, you know, Afrohyim, you you remember this, category this, case, Frank? This, case, Frank? I recall you talking about it, but the specifics, no. Okay. Well, then you you need to embed this because it it'll, turn your other in incorrect conclusion around. Afraim was a Hungarian Jew immigrated to The US, got those amendment rights, and then he they caught him voting in an Israeli election Israeli election. And it overturned a previous Supreme Court case in the late fifties that said they could take his away for violating the rules.
And the Rusk court or case said no. They can't take his rights away. And because only him, he, Afraim, can give them away. You can give them See, everything's gotta be voluntary. It goes back to that, and that's the premier case that shows it right there. It shows Afraim v Rusk v Rusk. Very important. Now what they neglected to tell mister Afraheem was that he could file an affidavit and capture the national status. They kind of left that out. Left that out. Okay? So that shows you right there that you can't do anything to go back in. It's got to be voluntary. It's got to be voluntary. Unless you write another affidavit saying I don't want I'm tired of this freedom crap. I wanna be a slave and send it to them, and they'll make you a slave of you. They'll make you a slave of you. Holy.
[00:46:11] Unknown:
And that makes sense. And and every everything you're saying makes sense. This form one five one zero three. I'm literally looking at it here, and one of our members earlier kinda jumped in and reiterated using the word unless you rebuked the contract, then I forget how he paraphrased that. But I look at this 15103, and, yes, there's certainly a checkbox that says I'm not a US citizen, yada yada. But at the top of this, it says contract information. So does that mean if I fill this out, it is literally a contract between myself and the IRS and they have to accept that checkbox?
[00:46:47] Unknown:
They do. They have to accept what your designation is. They can't tell you what you are or they'd be open tyrants. That's why they've got a price on it. Up the legal definition of contract and then I'll understand it better. Well, you know, we there's a lot of different kinds of contracts. You're in another one from birth here that you agree with later in life. So, contracts, they have a whole course on it in law school contracts. Okay? Invisible contracts, etcetera, etcetera. Confirming with writing a one way, understanding of contracts. And that's why excuse me, Paul, just a Everybody that's getting these CP 59 letters should not only do this form Mark's telling you about. If you guys were listening to an archive or something, you should do it within a number as quick as possible. This is not the ninety day deal. This is a I would say if you wanna be strictly between the, the guardrails, you do this within ten days.
And you mentioned something about contracting. That was with the Department of Motor Vehicles or the driver's license division, not IRS. So that was kinda apples and oranges, but they do apply. Okay? But I I'm rewriting the contract with the IRS, I guess, by this. Well, no. You've already broken the contract. You put them on notice already. This is one of their little follow-up fake head fake deals. Okay. Yeah. I don't think this is a head fake, Roger. Well, I I mean, it's another like the mystery problem. Hold on.
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Go ahead. Yeah. Well, hold on. It's not. It's not anything I don't it's not anything like that. There, for whatever reason, either a $10.99 was generated or a w two was generated, and they're expecting a a tax return to be filed accordingly. And if you don't file it, then they're gonna start sending you notices. Roger.
[00:48:40] Unknown:
Myrka, we'll get to you in just a sec. Alright. Myrka, what do you gotta say?
[00:48:44] Unknown:
I've had a quick comment for Matt about his response, and I've been waiting patiently to talk to him and tell the students, the new students, that are learning that we do not need to be filling out their forms. Once we send in their app our affidavit and remove ourselves, we are out of that system unless we need to we owe the $8.71 and 877. And Matt's response was perfect. It's a great example of what we need to be doing. Our affidavits and notices are a court of record. So we are keeping track of what they are doing, the IRS. They are bluffing you to complete their user forms and participate with them again.
We need to be using our affidavits and lawful legal notices. I don't see anything wrong with you. Matt?
[00:49:40] Unknown:
I don't see anything wrong with using their form, MRCA, because you'd use their forms later if you file the ten forty n r.
[00:49:49] Unknown:
I understand. But you we already removed ourselves. And if it's there's an error showing that they are trying to collect or have you file, then all we need to do is call at the nonresident alien
[00:50:04] Unknown:
line and correct them and tell them, please update your information. I sent this effective this date. I don't believe it's an error. They've had two or three or four already changes in who heads the IRS. Somebody gets in. They get confronted with this situation, and I think this is a, well, let's try this.
[00:50:22] Unknown:
And send And we send our notices. We resend a reminder. This was sent effective this date. That's what I've told people did.
[00:50:31] Unknown:
That's what I've told people so far. Just resubmit what you sent them originally. But and send it back to them. Matt's letter is fine. I don't have any problem with filling out the form and showing them in their own protocol right there what you are and shoving all of it up their asses. Doesn't matter to me, but you need to respond something and not I wouldn't let just let it lie on this one if for no other reason than to have another chance to get affidavits under somebody's notices.
[00:51:01] Unknown:
Right. I you can send both if you want, but the affidavit the affidavit affidavit and lawful legal notice reminder Alright. And that protocol happens just can't stop during a conversation
[00:51:11] Unknown:
when you want in to take it off in another direction. I try and do this protocol by the people that are here and the time in line that they got here. And if there's a tie, it goes to the female. Okay? I was at the beginning of the line right before Gary No. You weren't. No. You weren't. Frank was ahead of you.
[00:51:31] Unknown:
Okay. So I just Frank. Comment. I wanted to comment comment regarding that letter that Matt shared. And it was a quick comment. Just wanted to remind him that he did really good. Yeah. And all he needs to add on there is that he sent his affidavit as a reminder. He sent his affidavit effective whatever date he sent it in and that they need to correct their error in the system even though it's a machine or automatic response. If you talk to a live person on a nonresident alien line, they should be able to help you by faxing it in and mailing it out as a reminder on the court record.
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Comment. Okay. Paul?
[00:52:15] Unknown:
Yeah. Mirka was waiting for quite a while, and I was trying to get in there to defer to her, but I do have something, for Matt. Matt, how did they address you on that the computer generated letter? Did they address you as dear taxpayer?
[00:52:36] Unknown:
Probably.
[00:52:39] Unknown:
Yeah. They didn't address it, specifically to me. This is like a this CP 59 is just a is just a a standard looking form.
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Computer generated. Address
[00:52:52] Unknown:
the the only greeting is you need to file your twenty twenty three form ten forty tax return. Okay. So they don't address you specifically as dear taxpayer?
[00:53:04] Unknown:
No. Okay. Good. Well, that's that's old patriot mythology. Everybody pays taxes.
[00:53:10] Unknown:
Yeah. You get It's just patriot mythology trying to say I'm not a taxpayer. Yeah. If you owe eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b taxes, you're a taxpayer. Yes. I know. But you owe that or not?
[00:53:22] Unknown:
Yes. I know. But they don't define what kind of tax they're referring to. It doesn't. If they're addressing you as a taxpayer, that is a presumption that you're a taxpayer and that you all or all forms of taxes.
[00:53:36] Unknown:
Okay. Because they don't define which ones they're referring to. I don't see that as a Doesn't matter. Deal. I agree with Mark. More patriot mythology.
[00:53:46] Unknown:
K. Yeah. We didn't know any better until Roger we we we did not know any better until Roger come along. We were looking for every app that we could get to not to get untangled from the IRS.
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I yield. My point is I have another observation
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about this is Matt again. The CP fifty nine addressed the year 2023. Well, the last time I filed taxes was, in 2022 for 2021. So they're asking me about 2023, and they what about 2022?
[00:54:20] Unknown:
What's up with these people? They're hey. Well, I'm telling you they can find their butt with both hands. I think well, that's probably true for the most part. I believe you've got we've had a number of different heads of IRS since Trump got in six months ago. I think I think we had three different ones in one week, here here a couple of months ago in the beginning. So somebody's in there. They get this problem dumped on their desk, and they say, well, let's try this. Bam. I think that's what's going on. Maybe wrong. That's just my suspicion. I
[00:54:52] Unknown:
I I think it's it's computer programming myself. Yeah. I don't think they've got agents looking through every one of these. No. No. So it gets automated process. And at some point, if they don't get whatever response they need to settle that account, somebody will step in and they'll generate a substitute for return and then start going after collections. But I'd also like to back up what Mirka said, and and she's absolutely right too, because if your letters contain the same information, then then that's what's on that form, the one five one zero three, then you've accomplished the same thing.
So back when I was working with Dan Meader, we were doing two x triage. People come in with, you know, liens and levies and so One of the things that we did to avoid felt using their forms, we did a informational return. And so we would give them the same information that was on a ten forty, except we would change a few things, and that would suffice as meeting the needs of that form. So think about it. If I I've got a form one five one zero three, and I write a letter that provides them the same information basically, then, yeah, you wouldn't necessarily have to fill out a form one five one zero three.
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Roger.
[00:56:22] Unknown:
Yes. Very. You're adding to the discussion here this morning.
[00:56:28] Unknown:
Yes, sir. Just like to make a suggestion to Matt when he sends his, his letter out, his response letter. I would, encourage him to put in the CC section, and send a copy to the president, of The United States, Scott Besant, the secretary of the treasury. I have his, email. He could also send one to, he could send one to the, IRS commissioner, the acting IRS commissioner, Pamela Bondi, Heather m Hill as acting inspector general for, TIGTA, which is treasury inspector general for tax administration. Also Amy Gleason, who is overseeing Doge and his own attorney general.
That way everyone could see, you know, this letter, and they would all be kept in the loop.
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Okay? Comment. You wanna do that, Matt? You do that. I I'm afraid, Larry, you think you're gonna get that notice on Pam Bondi's desk? She's got there's there's a big dark hole on her desk, and everything that goes on there falls into it evidently. Go ahead, Paul.
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The point I was trying to make is whenever you receive a communication from anyone to always be on the lookout for presumptions. And in the event that you find a presumption, I don't personally care if they're calling you a taxpayer or whatever. If there is a presumption in there, you must rebut that presumption because if you respond to that letter without rebutting it, you're agreeing to it. That was the point I was trying to make.
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There can't be a presumption in there that would overcome your status that you already previously noticed them on.
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K? K. Well, if you don't pres if you don't rebut the presumption and they wanna proceed on it, then they're just gonna send you something else, and then you have to circle back and resend them a copy of your affidavit just to include that.
[00:58:53] Unknown:
Send them a copy every time you get something from them with some sort of a response. What's difficult about that? It doesn't have to be long. Doesn't have to be complex. All you need to do is reaffirm your position, and it can't hurt to get that affidavit in front of in front of somebody else's eyeballs again.
[00:59:11] Unknown:
Yep. Make many copies. Many copies.
[00:59:14] Unknown:
I send an affidavit every time, and there's at least a dozen out there on behalf of me to these various agencies.
[00:59:20] Unknown:
Good deal. Agreed with that, Roger. Well, that's the way to do it, Frank. So okay. Anybody else got in to weigh in on Matt or Frank's situation or is there a fire in your town or you got, protesters in the front yard? What's going on? Nobody wants to now now they all wanna comment at once, I guess, Paul. Okay. No. Alright. We can just about finish up. We don't have to break and tell anybody goodbye even though it is that time about midway in the show. But, okay. So new new topic, new whatever. No? Well, man, I thought you did a good job for somebody who's just been lurking out there. You've absorbed an awful lot and good good work. The important part about Frank's call and questions were that they you and see, I used to think like this so I can appreciate it. I used to go through life. Well, what am I gonna step on that's gonna get me back in the system? Because I IRS wasn't screwing with me anymore. They'd spit me out, and I just figured that I was out of the system. What else can I do to get in? So I went through a number of years with that mindset, so I understand where you are. Frank?
But now I tote understand totally that everything's on you and that you've got to make any changes that are going on. And if they try and trick you into making changes that would affect your status, that's tyranny, period. It's fraud. All based on fraud just like this one. The simple fact is, yeah, they got a lot of money. Yeah. They got a lot of influence, but they they're just basic like us. And once we attain their status, they don't have any more control over us. And, of course, that's why they're so scared of this. They if they weren't scared of this, they would have addressed it sometime in the last fourteen years.
Fourteen and a half, just about. And they have never done that. K? So I believe the sovereign citizen thing was a way to kind of set up a straw man to fight this. They've known it was coming for fourteen years because the Southern Poverty Law Center guy who was monitoring Tom's RBN back in those days, him and I had, you know, I outed him. I found out who he was, got his name, outed him on the air, and he went away. So they've known about this for a long time. They've had plenty of chances to to knock it down, to demonize me. You know, what's the Gandhi The Gandhi thing. they ignore you, then they demonize you, then they fight you, and then you win.
Well, we won when we started because we preempted their fraud. So they never they they wouldn't demonize us on a a million dollar bet because all it does is just bring more attention to this issue and expose them more. They can't fight us because we've already won. It's very powerful. And they're they're scared of it, and they're aware of it. So, I don't know if we can ever get the numbers where we could force something here. But anybody else got any ideas? I'll listen to your plan. You got a plan? Let's hear it.
[01:02:58] Unknown:
If I may? Yes, ma'am. Hi. This is Pam on Michigan. I invited a couple of guests on today. So Okay. Good. I got in late. So Okay. I wanna apologize for that not knowing what the topic was. And, so I have a question in regards to someone who has property in a certain state in America, and there's a conflict because it's split between siblings and nephews and sorts like that. And so someone put a shed or a building, a structure, on a part of the property, and there's a lot of conflict in regard to that settled, shed and who's been there. And it's not really settled because there's a big conflict. So would authenticating birth certificates and sending in the letter to the, District Of Columbia, be a good way to start for this family, Ayil.
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Wow.
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Mark,
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there's a property that there's a shed on, and there's a bunch of controversy about the shed. Has the person Pam, has the person passed away already that owns it? I I don't know that what we do is gonna have any kind of, effect on that necessarily.
[01:04:32] Unknown:
Well, it would probably go back to the last time it was patent, and the great grandparents, came and settled there. And in those years and years so this woman's in her eighties. So the great the grandparents are gone. And so somebody during those hundred years, placed a shed on that property. Now there's different lots that is split up between the survivors right now, and the one that's holding all of the information doesn't wanna do anything with it, and they want to invite an attorney into the situation. I yield.
[01:05:12] Unknown:
Pam, I don't know that we've got any kind of remedy for that or that what we do would have any bearing on it. Mark, you got an idea here?
[01:05:20] Unknown:
Well, I don't even understand what the controversy is. Are they The shit. Is this shit. Land well, that still doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand what the controversy is. You got land? You got multiple people involved? Are they trying to divide the land up? I mean, is the county coming after them because they got a shed on the property? I don't I don't understand.
[01:05:44] Unknown:
Okay. Let us let us see if we can explain. Go ahead, Pam. We got this little delay here, so we can't both talk at the same time. So we'll turn it over to you for further explanation, please.
[01:05:56] Unknown:
Okay. So the the property was homesteaded over a hundred years ago. It's in Oklahoma. I'll say that much. And there are several people that are still alive, and there is a conflict with the one nephew that holds all of the property. And he doesn't want to or doesn't know how. And so I wanted to kinda set them up for establishing the fact that they're living and that would be sending in their presumption to Washington.
[01:06:42] Unknown:
Is that correct? Well, unless they've got a birth certificate, they're probably presumed to be still living. You say it's in Oklahoma, but you're wanting to send everything to DC. Mark,
[01:06:58] Unknown:
I Pam, I still don't understand what's going on. Controversy? What's the controversy? Do they owe taxes on the property? Somebody trying to get, get title to the property that didn't didn't have a right to it. I mean, I just I still fail to understand Well what the problem is. I don't know what that is. Problem. The controversy
[01:07:22] Unknown:
seems to be over the shed. Well, I'm waiting to to understand what's going on still. Help us, dear. We wanna help you, but but you've given us what we don't understand. We hadn't grasped everything yet. Well, how do you think we can influence that situation with what we do?
[01:07:45] Unknown:
Well, what's the situation, Roger?
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Somebody's fighting over a shed. Some kid doesn't wanna
[01:07:52] Unknown:
Okay. Hold on. Fighting over a shed, what does that mean? Does that mean somebody wants to remove it from the property or say they own it? Is the county trying to tax it? Ma'am, I I don't understand what what you're trying to accomplish or what the problem is, and I I don't know what the problem is. There's not much I can do to help you.
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May I please?
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Yes, sir. Are you associated with this situation?
[01:08:22] Unknown:
No. I'm not. But I'm associated with a lot of land things like this. It's a land grab. And if nobody has put an official beef on this, and it's been seven years, The person who put that shed on the land, it's now their land. Good luck getting it back. I'm done.
[01:08:43] Unknown:
Well, there's more to it than that. They also have to pay the last three years at pretty taxes. But what you're talking about is called adverse possession. Well, sounds like. And just a couple of years ago, my cousin went through a big fight over that with a multimillionaire that, was a scoundrel, and, I didn't find out about it until after the fact. I'm like, really? I'm right here, and you don't even let me know that you got this case going on and and you lost in summary judgment? But they also alluded to and we did an appeal that was denied. But, it was adverse possession, but there are some conditions for being being able to use adverse possession. Yes. There are. Well, it's it's it's not just having a fence line or having
[01:09:31] Unknown:
a shed on the property. It needs to be open and notorious. It needs to be for a certain amount of years. It needs to be uncontested. There's a bunch of rules before you can take property like that in adverse possession. Adverse possession was originally instituted so that the land got its highest and best use. And if there was land that was discarded, someone should go through this process and acquire it. But it does have a number of stipulations before you can pull it off. Who was trying to say inject something? Was that you, Rick?
[01:10:08] Unknown:
Yes. I was just gonna say what you did. It has to be open, notorious, and unchallenged. And as you said again, that was instituted years ago, and that is very difficult to do nowadays. Yep.
[01:10:21] Unknown:
Yep. And it has nothing to do with land patents or national status. And it doesn't have anything to do with the shed either. It's got our improvements. It's got to do with the land itself because the original part of of of meaning of the law was to make all land to its highest and best usage because like what Brent says and that the land is God's land, and he wants all of it in its highest and best use. That's a way to achieve that for certain people. Yes, ma'am. That's also work backwards. Right. Well, here's a real estate expert right here. Miss Julie, what have you got to weigh in on this?
[01:10:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I wasn't sure either. I'm confused on what they're I mean, I understand there's a shed there, but if it's I I don't know how many people own it and how they own it. I would assume, but I'm not sure if they if they if there's, like, seven people that own it as tenants in common, and six out of the seven wanna sell it and the person doesn't, you can force a sale of land by filing what's called a judicial partition partition. Sorry. And so it it'll either when you go to court, it'll either divide the property, or, the person or whatever who doesn't want to, who might be the person who's holding the paperwork and not sharing it, it'll force the sale of it. But if that person has papers that that person is not sharing, I mean, you should be able to take the, tax map number down to the county and, get the paperwork and find what the deed is and all that stuff down there and get copies of whatever the person who Yeah. Is holding the paperwork doesn't wanna share. But you can force the sale of it or, or maybe a, division dividing of that land by filing an action for, judicial partition of co owned rural property.
So it it'll depend on
[01:12:28] Unknown:
what the court wants to do on something like that. I don't think our national status would have anything to do with this, Pam. So No. Roger? Well, hold on. Let's see if Pam's there. I wanna respond. Oh, Pam, what are your thoughts on what we've been saying here?
[01:12:47] Unknown:
Fantastic information as you will. So, Julie, I thank you for that. I will give them that information. There are several involved that are still living. And I thought that, because a lot of people consider, or the presumption, the amendment, the, you know, citizen, I thought that that would be why we would want to claim that we are living instead of, you know, a dead certificate. So that's why I thought that the authentication would be in, you know, proper order of priority.
[01:13:23] Unknown:
And that's it. I I do believe, this information will be very helpful. Okay. Well Yeah. And you might call them. My I can't I can't see if there's any impact. Oh, excuse me, Julie. I can't see any impact, and you can verify this, Julie, on what we do here, as that would have really anything to do with that situation. Is that your understanding, Jules?
[01:13:45] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't think anything has to do with national status here. I just think that, you know, you got a bunch of people who, own land, and I don't know. Maybe that person wants maybe everybody wants to sell it, and that one person with all the paperwork doesn't. I don't know. I understand that the that the, you know, shed is sitting on there, which might be an issue. But, you know, if there's seven people that, you know, wanna sell it and the other person doesn't, maybe you can do a voluntary buyout, but that might not be possible. But the the other thing would do would that you would have to do then to get rid of that land and convert it into cash would be a legal action to force, either, an involuntary division of the property or or a sale of the property.
And it just depends on the laws in the various states. Some of them divide it, and other people, you know, it can for can force the sale.
[01:14:43] Unknown:
Well, you've got some really fine providence here, Pam, because you said the property's in Oklahoma. Well, so is Mark. And Mark's right in the middle of it, right around Oklahoma City, and he's a twenty plus year paralegal. So if your friends need any kind of interaction with anything legal, I'd suggest you contact Mark. Mark, you wanna give him your email address?
[01:15:06] Unknown:
Yeah. You can contact me at strawman@mark,allcaps,.com. That's strawman, strawman,@mark,markallcaps. Mark, all caps, just like it sounds, and it does not have to be capitalized. That was my moniker when I come on Roger's show was Mark, all caps. And I think there's a darka.com
[01:15:35] Unknown:
after that. Right?
[01:15:37] Unknown:
Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. A.com.
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My my mistake. So anyway, that's a that could be very fortuitous for you, Pam, and your friends there. Alright. Julie's saying something. There's a guy trying to say something. Put in the address? Follow-up. But but, what, Pam?
[01:15:54] Unknown:
The subject line? What should she put so you know who, this property belongs to? What would Pam's friend.
[01:16:04] Unknown:
Thank you. Uh-huh. It it doesn't matter what you put in the subject line. I'm gonna open it up and read it. So, you know, you can put Oklahoma property in there or, you know, something like that, and we'll take a look at it. Alright.
[01:16:16] Unknown:
You happen to know what part of the state it's in? Me too. Because Oklahoma has had a pretty big supreme court decision about part of the ownership of the lands and the jurisdiction there over the last couple of years. Do you know if it's in the Eastern part or the Western part?
[01:16:34] Unknown:
I do not know. Okay.
[01:16:37] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:16:37] Unknown:
I'll I'll I'll be trying to get to you. Hold on. Could be in the Indian nation. Yeah.
[01:16:43] Unknown:
There was a guy and a girl there. Who was the guy? Samuel.
[01:16:48] Unknown:
Okay. She needs a chain of title. Whatever paperwork that guy is holding doesn't mean squat. It's not recorded. And he's might be hiding something, so she needs a chain of title. This sounds like a family property who was split among family members over periods of time, very common, but that's all gotta be recorded. And where where it comes into what she's saying about how it affects us as as state citizens, property can't own property.
[01:17:17] Unknown:
So if somebody really wants to take a true claim from that but they can be registered to a state citizen. They can be controlling it. Okay? Or else we these people wouldn't have any property out there today. So
[01:17:31] Unknown:
So Well, the chain of title is gonna have to be there in order for you to do anything for or against a movement Okay. On the legal action on that piece of land.
[01:17:40] Unknown:
Pam, have your gal contact Mark. If there's any legal stuff, at least he can kinda guide you away, or whatever path. Okay? K. So I don't know. I don't know about the shed, though. Because we understand
[01:17:53] Unknown:
that the people that are here on America right now have worked on this continent to establish and to homestead. And we all wanna try and make sure that everyone keeps what they've already worked very, very hard for. And if all of those people right now in their sixties, seventies, and eighties have worked very, very hard and had the biggest sacrifice, I believe. So thank you for all the information. Well, you're welcome. I apologize. Will be recorded as well.
[01:18:21] Unknown:
And everything should be there that's that's that's valid.
[01:18:26] Unknown:
I'd like to see all the property that's been stolen returned too, Pam, but that's a little whimsical. Okay. Anybody? Samuel, you got your piece out. There's a female there who was trying to say something. One of our gals. No? Was it another guy? I thought there was two two a Rogers. Alright. We'll open it up then. Clean slate. Anybody got Hey, Roger. There's somebody right there. I think that's our other Tennessean, isn't it?
[01:18:57] Unknown:
Yeah. Earlier earlier in the week, there was some discussion about the court cases dealing with, citizenship and, you know, Plessy and Brown versus Board of Education.
[01:19:13] Unknown:
Yes, sir. And,
[01:19:15] Unknown:
seemed like I heard some things that I my memory didn't agree with, but I didn't wanna say anything then until I, reviewed this. Uh-huh. And by my by my reading, both these cases, the the the decisions are just related to US citizens wherever they might be. And in Plessy, it calls them
[01:19:39] Unknown:
okay. Look what? No. Go ahead. In Plessy what?
[01:19:44] Unknown:
Okay. In Plessy, there's a paragraph down through there where it kinda comes out. While there may be in Louisiana persons of different races who are not citizens of The United States, The words in the act, white and colored races, necessarily include all citizens of The United States of both races, residing in that state. So we have here a, before us a state enactment that, compels under penalties the separation of the two races in railroad passenger coaches and makes it a crime for a citizen of either race to enter a coach that has been assigned to the citizens of the other race.
The state regulates the use of public highways by citizens of The United States solely upon the basis of race. Well, that's that was their their complaint that different parts of US citizens different classes of US citizen are being treated differently,
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and they're requiring them to all be treated the same. And the presumption right there is it's all race. And you see, I can analyze it right now and say, isn't that an erroneous presumption? It wasn't whether somebody was black or white. Those those difference, political statuses just manifested in the ethnic division. But one of them had man given rights, Jim Crow, and the other one had god given rights, Whitey. That was the separation. It was political status, not color.
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No. The the political status is limited to United States citizens.
[01:21:33] Unknown:
They're only talking about United States citizens. Well, I'm saying that, but good to hear. Say well, you can't say that the white state citizen didn't have a political status.
[01:21:45] Unknown:
No. I'm saying that I think they could have had a segregation of The US citizens from the state citizens. And then if they wanted, they could also have had a further segregation of the white and colored races of state citizens. But because they were plotting equally to both races of United States citizens and treat the two different ones differently. And and erroneously,
[01:22:10] Unknown:
not only separately, but erroneously. Go ahead.
[01:22:15] Unknown:
Well, anyway, they they they're just talking about United States citizens, that this is a problem with involving United States citizen. And, so, you know, like I said, I think I don't think this would have excluded them having, required US citizens to be separated from the state citizens. And then among the state citizens, they could have,
[01:22:48] Unknown:
maybe design it by a race for the state citizens separately from the US citizens. There were free blacks. US citizens all had to be treated the same. Well, listen. This is what I know. I this is what I know. The statement from that case is separate but equal. K? That's the thumbnail. That's the conclusion, the overriding little short conclusion. And Brown versus Board of Education, equal in the classroom, equal in the society, overturned Plessy. Or at least that's what all the legal people out there think.
[01:23:21] Unknown:
Well, in a way, yeah. But, it is one statement in there. The most avid proponents of the post war amendments undoubtedly intended them to remove all legal distinctions among, quote, all persons born or naturalized in The United States, close quote. So they just remove
[01:23:47] Unknown:
it from that particular How are they identifying that when they didn't say and subject to the jurisdiction thereof? It's not just a one phrase identification. There's a two pronged legal test to make you that. You gotta be subject to it.
[01:24:04] Unknown:
Well, yeah. But, yes, they just left that out. Well, I guess so. And where is The U where is The United States in this kind of context? Is it just Washington DC?
[01:24:16] Unknown:
Yes. That's what it is, I think. And whether it was clear to all them back then or not, I don't really know, Danny. I keep seeing these things. Everybody says this is about race. The slaughterhouse cases, all the other cases echo that, and you go back and really analyze it and the race difference wasn't the difference. That was just the outward difference. The inward difference, the real difference was where they got their rights and whom they owe their duties to. That's the crux of all of this, but they don't talk about that in there.
[01:24:51] Unknown:
No. But they don't in in, Brown, they don't talk about citizen
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at all. They avoid mentioning and accept from that little phrase right there. What we're dealing with are forces behind the scene. Okay? Here's another way of looking at an aspect of that is birthright citizenship. That may be released this coming week on this decision by the Supreme Court. It's the time they visited it in a long time. Okay? And so as Eastman said, this constitutional, attorney that's head of a law school out there in the West Coast are trying to yank his license. That's how good the guy is. Okay? It's like he said, they said this thing of birthright citizenship where anybody can come and dump a baby and it's a citizen, Well, that's only come up around the fifties or the sixties, the best I can tell, and I don't know where it arose from.
So Wong Kim Ark, which is going to be, I think, the decision out of there, is gonna be Wong Kim Ark's people, his parents, although not citizens, they were established here like residents. And so that's what legitimizes Wong Kim Ark's birthright citizenship. This whole thing's gonna kinda revolve around that case, like so many others, but somebody morphed it into where anybody just dropped a kid on the other side of Rio Grande. It's a citizen. So where's that come out? Well, it's not even in there. I'm trying to get the point across even though that what you're reading, these people are behind the scenes manipulating this stuff.
[01:26:30] Unknown:
Oh, well, I'm not doubting that, and that's part I I'm just trying to point out what it looks like. It actually says regards to how other people have taken it.
[01:26:42] Unknown:
Okay. Well, you're you're gonna have to go over your conclusion on what you've come to on again for us. So if you just bring it forward again on what you read, what the conclusion you draw, and the importance of it.
[01:26:58] Unknown:
Well, the, way it actually states is they're only making decisions about, actions
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on US citizens, and they're not talking about the state citizens and all. Well, they can't well, they don't have any well, they don't have any jurisdiction on them. They don't have what? They don't have jurisdiction on the state citizens. Well, right. That's why they only talking about the citizens. Of The United States. Well, that's why they got Plessy, and Plessy was 1 black. 1 is generating what we're discussing here.
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Well, yeah. But he they they went forward with him being a US citizen and being separated from other US citizens according to race. Yeah. Okay. Because he was 1 black and nine tenths white. That's why they used him.
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And they went and put him on a white only but railroad car.
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But but but both sides of the thing was to do with US citizens.
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Well, I White or black. Okay. I'm not gonna argue with you on that. It had to do with Plessy. He was 1 black, and he was considered a citizen of The United States under the amendment. They took him and put him on a white only. They don't have jurisdiction over it on the federal level railroad car, and they had the the detectives at the station to arrest him. They had the newspapers there, including theirs, to cover the story, and they went and brought him to where they bring him to. They didn't bring him to federal court. They brought him to state court.
And they said, we don't have anything to do with this. Ferguson ruled against him, and he's the other half. They enjoined him in the case, and it went to the Supreme Court. They said separate but equal. John Harlan wrote the dissent in that case, the great dissenter. Okay? But my comment is, even though it looks black and white on the surface, it's not black and white. It's political status plainly. Plus, he got his rights and duties, from the amendment. That's why they mentioned him in the case and have jurisdiction over that. Whitey didn't. Mhmm. He gets his rights from God and knows God has duties. How can No. That city Hey. Okay. He doesn't.
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They're not they're not talking about
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white I I am. State citizens are talking about white US citizens. I'm telling you that's the difference. The state citizen gets his rights from God, knows the duties, and plus he got his amendment rights from the federal government and owed them their duties. Those can't be equal. I don't care how twisted your legal
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argument is. Well, like, they didn't say they're equal.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, that's that's right. They said they're they're not equal. It was Brown that overturned that. So I believe that they could ask you those leading questions. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? Without saying, are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a national? And then what they're doing right along the same time, they put the 1954 revenue and code in place, which binds you to that through what we were talking about earlier in the program back to the citizen of The United States and the national. They now could lay underneath it and say they're the same thing and not have to, bring it out in the open to ask you, to get your commitment. Because you answering those questions and signing something is the big kuna here.
That's your agreement. That's the fraud. There wasn't full disclosure. Right there off the top level, you got them.
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Well, yeah. Voluntary, just like they're talking about other things. The the things with the car is set up as a voluntary system, but the police don't know it. So they charge things, and the people getting charged don't know it, so they don't argue it. And and so my point in the traffic stuff is it starts with registering the car as a vehicle, and that brings on all the other obligations for using it on the highway. But that's voluntary. Like you said, for other things, it's all set up as voluntary.
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Yep. So, anyway, back to this Plessy thing. I'm not sure what your point was, but, yeah, the federal government really only had jurisdiction over Plessy. But, yet, it that one of the ways to get to the Supreme Court with a case is either through the federal district courts, which they may I don't even know if they were set up at that point. But, or the state goes to the state Supreme Court and then goes to the Supreme Court. So there's a track there even though it has to do with state citizens to get that case case to the highest court.
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It doesn't actually do with state citizens. It's just The US citizens. Well, I'm missing Danny. You're missing my point totally.
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Can we move on? Okay. Yep. I'll just let people know about that. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Does anybody have any comment on all that? Mark, what do you, weigh in on all that? Marks took off. Because you it's, it's real interesting as you get into debt. Kind of both saying the same thing,
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Roger. Yes. I I I think you're both kind of saying the same thing. You're coming from the state side. Danny's coming from the federal side. Okay. Well, since he was considered because of that 1 black to be a citizen of The United States.
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And, well, my my my whole point is I've gotten to a place where I understand it doesn't have anything to do with color. It's really this political status underlying it that, when they wanna manifest it in color in color and ethnicity, which brings me back to the point that I believe the civil war was started to get the and the amendment into the constitution so they could control the world and pit us against each other a hundred and something years later. Okay? And I'm gonna tell you what buttresses that. It just hit me the other day. They were at the very same time or even a bit before already grooming Schofield, weren't they?
Weren't they? Yeah. I would say so. They were they were looking already that far ahead with the part that's getting us right now. That's what's got us a problem. Right here today is the damn Christian Zionist that got into Trump's cabinet and are supporting this Israeli crap. That was thought and fomented back in the same time, if not before the civil war. So you know they were already thinking that far down the road and had plans.
[01:34:16] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. They're they're very I mean, they war play stuff out against, well, they know people. I mean, psychologically, they know how to play every side of the game. They war gamed it out. They've taken our tax dollars to fund those war games and and, you know, after after World War two, they brought all the German scientists over here. Yeah. I I think that was project paper clip, if I'm not mistaken. And It was. You know, it just really got advanced after World War two. But, yeah, they're they're thinking way down the line. This isn't this isn't a five year plan, a ten year plan.
It's a forever plan that they are constantly working on. And if if somehow you're able to cut them off one direction, then they've already got a backup plan. Or they may even have to back up. So sometimes it's, you know, three steps forward and two steps back, but they keep moving forward. Always. And, ultimately, it's not gonna end till, you know, the return of Jesus. Well, now this is what Thomas Thomas
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Jefferson said. The only way you can deal with this is constant vigilance. You gotta constantly watch them, constantly try and impute as best you can what their moves are leading to because they're so long term, and that's our duty. Okay? But if you look at that, this part on the religious side, the spiritual side, the dispensationalism stuff that Schofield brought to us through Darby, who was the guy previously in England. Darby, I believe, was his name. They They kinda started this rapture stuff and all of that. They co opted it. They found Schofield, who was a a a retrobate, already had to had abandoned two families, an alcoholic, left all kinds of debts, purported to be a preacher, and they took him to New York and out came the Scofield Bible.
That has set up dispensation where all these fools think that Israel, just because they use the damn word here's our here's our word games again. Just because they use the word Israel, they they think Jesus was a Jew and all the other crap that these people have sowed over all these centuries. And, you can see that it's a very important part of their game here today. As we approach the end game, they were thinking about this a hundred and fifty years ago. Oh, I'm sure they were. That's why I it even brings more validity to the fact that the civil war was started to get these two amendments in there so that they knew they Oh, we know. We noticed.
Go ahead. Go ahead, Roger. I'm sorry. I was just going to say they knew how they operated and they knew what they were going to do. They knew they were going to bankrupt the country. They'd done that with all European countries already. They knew they were going to do that. They set it up with the federal reserve, did things like pass the birth federal birth, certificate act in the twenties and set all that stuff to back the new bonds after they bankrupted the country on the old bonds. There's a long term plan. I'm Jesus.
I'm telling you, the scope of the old thing, when you add that element in there, it nails my thesis, I think.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the the Civil War wasn't about slavery at all. That was what Lincoln used to keep the Europeans out of supporting the South. Because the the European countries were were dependent upon the the products that were coming out of the South like cotton and so Oh, yeah. So the only way that Lincoln can keep from from, blocking them
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from supporting the South was to make it over, quote, slavery, and it was never about slavery. No. The more of an obvious provocation was it was about taxes. They were importing and exporting the giant and unfinished goods coming back from England. From the cotton, they'd exported them, and they're taking a piece of both ways. And up north, they were just doing manufacturing stuff. They weren't necessarily importing. And now we come back to tell Trump's tariffs, don't we? Because it's a tariff situation. They exacerbated that. And if you remember, they started the time they tried I heard somebody mention it in conversation the other day, the at lunch.
The the time they tried was in the Panhandle Of Florida, and there was a federal fort there. It's close to Pensacola. And under treaty, they were not supposed to resupply it, and they caught them resupplying the fort. So, evidently, they were gonna try and use that to spark the war, and that got uncovered and exposed, and they moved to Fort Sumter in South Carolina. Interesting. Yep. Roger. Yes. Larry.
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Yeah. Question for you and a question for Mark. Mark, this, 15103, how did you hear about this? And did you help a student with it, and what were the results? And, Roger, if you didn't if you don't believe Jesus was a Jew, what do you believe he was?
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A carpenter.
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Well, I think he was an Israelite and not a Jew. Okay? And you're using the, the, tribe of Judah as a basis for this, and, I just don't believe he would came from that lineage. He he fought him too hard, Larry. K? So that's my answer to that.
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Roger?
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There's Gary gonna chime in with something more specific, I'm sure.
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Jesus' lineage was of the tribe of Judah. The common mistake nowadays is associating the word Jew with the tribe of Judah. Correct. It is not the same thing. It is just another wordplay that they have chosen to do. If you plainly go to revelations if you go to Revelation two nine and three nine, it plainly tells you in the King James Bible, in the Geneva Bible, in the all of them, Jews are of the synagogue of Satan. It's right there.
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Yep. Sure is. And that's not the, that's not the tribe of Judah. They're impostors, Larry. Everything they ever do is a trick or a false, a false solution, of of reality.
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It's the only way they've done all this. You believe that Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, but he was not a Jew. Is that what you believe, Roger? Yes. That's what I believe.
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Jew means Judean. Inhabitants of Judea. Jesus was a Galilean.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Alright. You wanna go, Mark? What about this? Okay. The more but I'll I'll answer my question too, please.
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Yeah. There's been some students who, sent that out. I've helped them with that. Not a big deal. We haven't had any responses. That that was the end of it, but that's probably only been within the last, I don't know,
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month, two months Well, this that they've sent those in. So I think But that was so far, that's just been the end of it. I think somebody's got a new commissioner, a new director up there, and they got this problem dumped on their desk. And they said, well, let's just take this CP 59 and send it to all these people. I think that's what's going on. Okay? Just to test you again, just respond to it in some way, shape, or form. Send them what you already sent them or do this form or both. K?
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Mark, do you, include any other paperwork with the, with that document?
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No. I'll put in an, you know, a copy of my affidavit and just a brief cover letter explaining, you know, why I don't have a filing requirement.
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I I if even if you didn't respond, I don't believe there didn't anything further come of it. This is another jab to provoke you or see what you know, try and motivate you. They're looking for an answer, and there isn't one for them. Go ahead, Mark.
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Well, I disagree with not responding. You need to respond to the c p 59 and the five eighteen. You need to respond to those because if you don't, they're going to do a substitution for return, and they're gonna start the collection process. So you do need to respond to that letter some way, somehow.
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But they can't just jump to it to putting up a a SFR in there. There's process. They gotta send you these letters. They're gonna send you some more if you don't respond to them. Then they're gonna send you the ninety day letter maybe. But see, they gotta have a foundational jurisdiction to do all that. Okay? And they don't. I just think this is a bluff scenario. I'm not telling you not to respond to it. I just said if someone didn't, I don't believe there'd be anything subsequent that would happen. That's just a suspicion. K.
So by all means, do one or the other or both. Send them the the form, send them another copy of what you already sent them, or both. K?
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If I may? Yes, ma'am. At Pima, Michigan. So would there be a letter that would be sent out as, you know, saying this is not a filing, but this is I'm notifying you that I'm not paying it, not do not consider this a filing. There's some paperwork or something I heard someone referred to. Well,
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that that's the should have been the original notice in that top of the letter that you sent them that you could easily resend them again if you kept a copy, and I hope you did. It's very prudent to keep copies of everything you send, and then go ahead and get this one three one zero five, if that's the new no correct nomenclature, and and address that. K? That's what I'd suggest, Pam. Listen. They're just they can't get over this. You've nailed them. They're trying to do anything they can do to get you back in the fold. And like I said, I know for a fact that a couple of months ago, there was three new IRS commissioners in one week because I heard them talking about it. So that's the turnover they're having up there, and these people get these problems dumped on them. And they don't know what else to do but try stuff like this. That's what I think is going on.
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Roger. Well, the c p 59 is not a new letter. It's been around. No. It's been around the whole time.
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This is what John thought was a confirmatory writing Or they could lock you into a contract in a voluntary system on the front end because most patriots, when they get that, throw it right in the round file.
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Yep. Throw it in the trash for those who don't know what the round file is.
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And and and that then, they've got the if you go back the way John explained it to us, is he said a confirmatory writing. It's in specialty contracts under the uniform commercial code along with your ten forty statute staple. It's in there too. Okay? So this is over there, and it's a writing between merchants who are appraised to know the contents of the writing. And that if you get one and you don't expressly refuse within ten days, it's considered you've agreed. It's a reverse. Another reason these people, you know they're using the Babylonian merchant code because they understand these things perfectly and know how to weaponize them and use them against you who don't know anything about it. K? And you throw it in the round file. And now they've got a way to go on. And this is for people that don't file because their object, as Mark was saying, was to get to where they can do what's called a substitute for return or an SFR, and they have to press the computer code, push code o nine.
And when they do it, it stops the computer process, and the computer is programmed correctly. So the computer says we can't go any further because there's not a statute staple, a ten forty form filed. So they stop the process with that code. They fill out what they have come to the conclusion that you owe, and then they put that it's called a dummy return in Patriot circles, and they put that dummy return in there while the computer stopped with push code o nine, and they let it back off. And then there's a filing of a a return. And so now I can go to assessment and collection.
K? When John got all of this information Mark, have you heard that story about what Glenn did with this?
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Yeah. I mean, didn't they turn it into like a teaching series and Well, what they they notified the IRS what they were doing or They got well, yeah. But no, this part was long after that. John had already died. I was on with Al Attis once a week.
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And had a, listener, Ellis, I think was his name. And he had been studying IRS manuals for all these years. You know? Okay. Manuals with all this code stuff in it. Yeah. Well, he didn't understand the process, but he knew the internal workings. Then, because, Al said, hey. I know this guy, this. I said, well, I'll put him together with Glenn. Well, Glenn knew the whole process. So when those two got together, that's how they they put it all together. And so what they did was they had a a doctor in San Diego who had two counts of failure to file. And so Glenn would write all the process.
They found a law firm that would work with him and present his paperwork, and they took him on failure to file to district court. Well, he got convicted, and they appealed it up to the ninth circuit. And and they, also confirmed. And that's when Glenn walked away from all this. He said, look, Rob. He said, it's so complex that not only can the jury not understand it, the judge can't understand it.
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Yeah. That's That's when you need
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Here's the proof in the pudding. After that happened, DOJ put a nation national moratorium on anyone bringing up push code o nine at the district court level. Right. Wow. You can't bring it up.
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That's crazy.
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Okay. So but they won't just jump to that. There's a long process, including tax court. They gotta give you what they send a ninety day letter, and you've got ninety days to either deal with it or, so you've got to petition tax court. You know, you've got to be the petitioner, which means that you now have the burden of proof and you can't you can't argue anything in that tax court that isn't about the amount. That's the only thing you can argue. Okay? Yeah. Then they gotta go through that. Then they gotta go to lien levies, garnish, but whatever. Okay. So there's a long process that takes a long time, so it's not gonna happen overnight. Okay? Go ahead, Mark. I agree.
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Yeah. I agree with that.
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So, so that's what it is. I think somebody at IRS, so they're freaking out. You heard the comment. Mark, I think you may I don't know if you're with us that day. Somebody came on and they had contacted the IRS because they hadn't got their ROE back. And the lady started yelling at them. You're going to jail. You're going to jail. We've got a 100,000 of these things. They're feeling the pressure.
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Right.
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You should you should have some, pride in that, Roger. They're really paying for the Oh, man. Ex money they took from you. I love sticking it up these people's ass. Okay. I mean, really.
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And, and so the more it piles on and they get a new director in there and they see all these problems and they got this one, it's particularly bad. Don't forget, what we're doing is exiting the debt of the fraudulent debt that they've compiled, which is their power. They wanna take that and transfer it for generations compounding of compounding of compound interest. Will we sever ourselves from that? That's the real important part here, really.
[01:51:54] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And by the way, it doesn't look like they're gonna be getting rid of income tax. It's just it's too much money. It's too much control. It's too much debt. It's just I don't think it's gonna happen.
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Well, see, this is one thing we could challenge is the fraudulent aspect of the debt if we could get enough numbers. We gotta get the numbers. Then there's things like that we can really push on, and it's real sensitive to them. You can see. Was that a female? Somebody wanna say something?
[01:52:27] Unknown:
Yeah, Roger. Thank you so much for this topic and the conversation today. So if you can see that, there'll be some people that will wanna change and not pay, you know, for these promissory, you know, volunteer things. And there'll be people that don't wanna change. And so I think you may never get rid of taxes, like you said. But there's also, the fact that, I don't know if you're aware, but there's a king's something going on here about the king's no king.
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No king day. That's today. The bad guys declared no king day. And Trump said, well, hell, I'm not a king. I gotta go through all kind of crap to get stuff done.
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Right. And so, would a treaty, supersede any amendments or,
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things like that? A treaty can't I don't believe a treaty can supersede the constitution and its values. If so, it's unconstitutional, and it shouldn't be ratified. So that's what I think. Isn't that about right? What you didn't think, Mark? Absolutely. I totally agree with that. Yep. Okay. In other words, some agreement can't overcome the founding documents in the founding agreement. So that, go go ahead.
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If a treaty is ratified by the senate, it does supersede the constitution. Otherwise, it doesn't.
[01:53:58] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I'm not sure if that's the discussion for today because we don't have the right time. But, anyway, go ahead, Pam. I think it's Pam. Well, and I appreciate the feedback. Thank you. These are all important issues if not the other, than it helps bolster people's confidence. We got people that can't sleep at night for fear of firing a filing an affidavit, and the IRS comes and kicks down their door. And that had never happened because they got this long process we just described that they've gotta go through.
[01:54:30] Unknown:
Exactly. And these people, you go to a restaurant or any type of place that you don't want pickles on your sandwich. Okay? Or you don't want cheese, and all of a sudden, these people go into a, override. Somebody come here, come talk to the machine, and they don't know how to over talk. Right? We don't get along with machines.
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Wow. Well, we're fixing to have some big problems if that's something.
[01:54:59] Unknown:
Change either. Right. When you count that when you learned how to count back change as a direct, sales, you know, farmer selling your goods and services, you knew how to count change back. These people don't know how to do it unless it tells them on that little
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thing right there. I mean What yep. I I know you're right. Something else I was gonna say, oh, don't and you can't rely on AI because they've people catch Brock and Grok or what all these AI things are making mistakes all the time. People that really know the subject matter, and they'll ask them and they'll give Brock will give you a a list of things back and they'll go, but didn't you forget this and this and this? I go, oh, yes, we did. So you can't always depend on the AI answers either.
[01:55:48] Unknown:
Yeah. AI is biased too. So, like, if you start asking about vitamins and supplements and stuff like that, it will give you the the negative response Yeah. You know, really, it's just sad.
[01:56:01] Unknown:
Yeah. So got a couple minutes left here. Pardon me, Pam? Go ahead.
[01:56:08] Unknown:
So it must be a programmer issue. It's not coming from God. Well, yes. Definitely. Very true.
[01:56:13] Unknown:
Of course. Well, it's garbage in garbage out. It's like the people that ask it for, the, you know, founding fathers of America, and they were all black. You know, that kind of bias right there. Oh, I was gonna say, you wanna know about Pam Bondi. Did you know this or see the clip of this, Mark? Or she came out the other day and they've gone after a coffee shop that is owned by Arabs because it's they won't allow Jews, and they've made this coffee of something real negative about the the relationship between the two. Did you see her get on TV and talk about that?
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No. I didn't.
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Here, this woman is with Jeffrey Epstein, all the gins. I mean, all the crap that's not getting addressed. And she goes on Fox News and talks about busting a coffee shop that won't allow Jews in and may can you believe they made a coffee named? Come on, man. Who's pulling your strings, Wandie? Come on. Yeah.
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APAC.
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Of course. I mean, she was the attorney general of Florida. You can't get much more up to your neck in those people than being associated with Florida, especially South Florida. Yeah. So, anyway, well, we're about into the day. Have anybody got anything real quick?
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Yeah. Checking out. Yeah.
[01:57:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. Let's go, Paul. Let's go with the guy here. Yes, sir?
[01:57:38] Unknown:
Yes. Gregory here. I mentioned it at the after show yesterday, this documentary that this, producer made. It's called Barnum's World. It's very revealing.
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Barnum World. And There's no s. Come over. It's, it's on YouTube, Barnum World. There's no s at the end. It is a tongue and cheek comedy mockumentary, and it's actually a really good primer for people that are asleep. It, demonstrates in a very real fashion, the repetitive phrases and stuff that are crammed down people's throats to make them falsely believe that they're free and this is the best country in the world, and we have to come together, and this is the most important election in American history and blah blah blah blah blah yada yada yada. Search YouTube for Barnum World.
Barnum World. And I would do it quickly because I don't expect it to be up long. As far as treaties, let's see. I learned something new. According to AI, Noah, treaty cannot supersede the United States Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and treaties are subordinate to it. While treaties are also considered part of the supreme law of the land, they cannot violate the constitution's provisions. It has to do with the supremacy clause. The constitution's supremacy clause establishes that the constitution law is passed by congress and treaties made under the authority of The United States are the supreme law of the land.
So
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Beecraft uses example of the hunt hunting the wild fowl thing with we signed with Canada about a hundred and something years ago. Before that, you could get unlimited amounts of ducks and geese, and they limited those to preserve the species. And then we changed our hunting laws to agree with that. They they it wasn't they couldn't shoot them. They just had some restrictions. And so that's what it was. Alright. There's our whistler. We're done for the day and the week for me. So I'll have an abbreviated day and a half weekend. It's, it should, be good. Sun's coming out just as we close, which is very nice because I'm running out to have some expat lunch stuff going on.
And, so we'll see you back on Monday. We'll see what today brings, what the weekend brings. Also, Paul reminded me, tomorrow, the fifteenth, is the August commemoration of the signing of the Magna Carta. K? So, that I thought was pretty important. And, glad we got a chance to mention it mention it. We'll, look for you next week and with whatever remnants we've got left of a country. So we'll see. It should be a very interesting seventy two hours till we reconvene, and we'll see you then. Hope you got something out of the show today. Thank you. Okay. Mother Earth, we're gonna let them put your body down. Crosby, Stills, and Nash without Young.
Yep. Gotta do it. See you soon. Ciao. Okay. Well, I'm on a schedule today, so I'm not gonna stick around after show. Y'all are welcome to, of course. And, we'll see you, Monday. And if not Monday, we'll see you soon. Thanks, Mark. Always good glad to have you along. There's Sketch with his dinner bell, a lunch bell. Sketch, you know what they call, lunch in, Spanish?
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No. I forget.
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Almorso.
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Almorso. Almorso.
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So I'm going to Roger Morso. The hombres. Yes, sir?
[02:01:40] Unknown:
I I did wanna mention before people get off, there's been a few people that didn't get their tax returns, and it might be because they got stolen by two former UPS employees. They indicted for stealing 80,000,000 treasury checks in Philadelphia. Woah.
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Man. So 80,000,000
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in tax refund checks or 80,000,000 checks?
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Probably in. Sketch.
[02:02:09] Unknown:
I don't see a problem. They can always print up more checks.
[02:02:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Understood. The headline said 80,000,000 treasury checks.
[02:02:19] Unknown:
Wow. It's in the chat. They were busy times. I can't imagine 80,000,000
[02:02:24] Unknown:
nonresident returns. Maybe we're making more progress than we thought, Mark.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
I can't imagine there was 80,000,000 checks in Pennsylvania. Where was that in Pennsylvania?
[02:02:37] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Philadelphia service center is all nonresident alien returns.
[02:02:43] Unknown:
Wow. Yeah. Well, maybe that's where people's refunds are.
[02:02:49] Unknown:
They're gone. Maybe we'll find out more about it. It was and it was gone. Okay. You just which is exactly what I'm going to be here in just a So, you know, I love and appreciate all of you, and I'll, see you next week. So have a great abbreviated weekend. Glad you took time out of your weekend to join us. Love you. Ciao.
[02:03:10] Unknown:
Thanks, Raj. And off he goes, like a happy camper. Alright. I'm going to, I'm gonna take this thing down, as well, get things wrapped up so I can get started on my weekend as well. This has been the Sabado edition of the Radio Ranch with Rogers Sales. Thank you so much for joining us. You can catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern time on a number of platforms as it were. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. It is thematrixd0cs.com, where you will find links to Eurofolk Global Voice Radio, free conference call, interviews, exhibits, downloadables, all kinds of fun stuff. Thanks so much for joining us today. We'll catch you right back here for the Monday edition of the Radio Ranch with Don Casareb and Roger Sales.
Thanks so much. We will shoot you later.
[02:05:40] Unknown:
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[02:05:46] Unknown:
Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
