In this episode, host Roger Sayles takes us on a deep dive into the controversial history of the USS Liberty incident, a topic that has been tightly held under wraps for decades. The discussion highlights the attack on the USS Liberty by Israeli forces in 1967, the subsequent cover-up, and the impact on the survivors. Roger emphasizes the importance of understanding this historical event and its implications on US-Israeli relations, urging listeners to explore further through available documentaries and interviews.
The episode also delves into complex tax issues, particularly focusing on the experiences of nationals navigating the US tax system. Roger and guest host Mark discuss the intricacies of filing as a nonresident alien, the importance of understanding tax treaties, and the potential pitfalls of dealing with the IRS. The conversation touches on the broader implications of tax laws and the strategies individuals can use to protect their assets, including the use of trusts. This episode serves as both a historical exploration and a practical guide for those dealing with similar tax challenges.
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Yep. We would too. I'm gonna try another stab at it here for a couple hours on the Saturday weekend, half half the weekend edition anyway. So it is the March 29, it appears to be. Roger Sales, your host here on the Sabado edition as we like to call it, and, we're at the Radio Ranch. And all of you are the little Radio Ranchers. And, so welcome. I I'm pretty sure we're on a real abbreviated, list of other platforms today. And so Paul gets a little bit of a break. And, so he might take a couple of seconds here and identify him. Morning, Paul.
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Good morning. Yes. We're on a, a drastically abbreviated list of platforms. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network, My Pet Project. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. Mhmm. We have a number of people joining us, using the free conference call conference system, and, the links for that are on the matrixdocs.com as well. Okay. So that's pretty much That's him.
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Pretty much us girls here today.
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Exactly.
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I was I know, Michael yesterday said I think Marg is Mark with us today. He's supposed to be usually here in the morning. He's in Saturday. There he is right there. He is. Well, somebody is already requesting to talk to you yesterday, so we'll get to that in a second, Michael, up there in Minnesota.
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Man. Is it gonna be Stump? Is it gonna be Stump the Strawman Day?
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I'm not sure about the category of the day, but some people may wanna step up. That that'd be a good that would be a good little bit to do every week, Stump the Strawman. We'll come up with some intro music and all that. Maybe something out of Wizard of Oz. Papi's will put them to sleep. I was just, watching the end of yesterday's Owen Shroyer show. I was trying to finish off, you know, the whole thing. And at the end yesterday, he did something that's pretty cool. I don't know if any of you saw it. The Phil Tierney, that name should ring a bell with some of you.
Some of you do not recognize it, I'm sure. He was the one of the engineers on the USS Liberty, which this isn't a Liberty time of year, generally. That was June. But, Owen has gotten to him, and it's very interesting because, you know, I'm I really watch Infowars a lot for just I like I really, I really like Harrison and Owen. And, anything that is going to be breaking or whatever is probably gonna hit first on Infowars. So that's why I watch it over there. I get mad at Alex and PO'd at him like yesterday when he had, who is the guy from Overstock, who's got an incredible story. He had him on it. You know? And I don't think it's anything intentional. It's just something that goes with his personality nature, but he just can't let somebody finish his image.
And somebody's got this great great guess on. I mean, there's nobody else that has people like Max Boot on. Do you know Max Boot is by any chance, Martin? I'm not familiar with that name. Well, he was a, big time Russian arms dealer that got busted, and he was in our prison system for ten years. And they traded him for that trans trans basketball player here a couple of years ago in a a prisoner exchange. Yeah. You know, a notorious arms dealer for a trans basketball player. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fair trade. Anyway, when he was in jail over here in The US, he the local radio station where he was, I don't know what facility he was in, they, carried Alex. So he listened to Alex all the time. So after he gets released, he's over there. He speaks a little bit of English and comes on out. He's been on a couple of times. Anybody else seen Max Boot anywhere? No. You know? Do dirt and I can't think the guy pronounce the guy's name. It starts with a d.
He's like Putin's closest adviser. They blew up his daughter couple years ago. They thought they're blowing up him in a car, and his daughter and him switched cars. He blew up his daughter. I mean, that's who these creeps are. And, but he's Putin's closest adviser. I've seen him on over there on Alex a couple of times. Nobody else has got him on. So those are examples why I say that. Now I get mad as hell at Alex when I'm sitting here watching Brings these people on. Nobody has it all else on, and and they're they're they're literally world class guests. And Alex continues to step on them. You know, they're about to say something and he oh, yeah. Blah blah blah. And he comes in there with all his crap, and, they're not rude to say shut up. I did see one of them the other day say just hold on, Alex Sarafin.
And, but, anyway, all that aside, that's where you're gonna see the those kind of guests, and that's the kind of info I want. You know? So that's why I watch it over there and put up with him and yell at the monitor. Shut up, Alex, and all that. Well, anyway, he he one thing about Alex is is he's got those tendencies, which in Yeah. You gotta give him a little leeway, you know, really.
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But, he Well, they should have somebody else do the interview. Well, they
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that'd be great to have Owen, and they do for, put them off on Owen and Harrison sometimes. But, anyway, that's just my personal thing. I know a lot of other people don't like that too. And I, Alex knows that I wish he'd take, heed of it. But regardless of all that, it's a real cutting edge place. And and, he has what I really want to get to. He's got a great gut judge of talent. I mean, Chase Geyser, Harrison, I wonder. He has really hit three three three home runs there. Okay? Yeah. So that's, got a good part of that. Yeah. David Knight.
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Right? David Knight? Show, and and David Knight was awesome. But, Yes. He he knew he was critical of Trump, and that's the reason why why, Alex firing. Alex let him go. Yeah. Yeah. So he's got his own show on Rumble. It's Dave the David Knight show. Highly recommended if you want a little bit of a opposite side of all the, you know, you know, glorifying Trump. Well, now you get a little, the other side. And here's what I appreciate about David and I. He's giving you facts, and he's not just saying, oh, Trump's a Nazi. He's saying Right. I don't agree with Trump because he's done this, he's done that, he's done this.
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Mhmm. And so it's a, you know, it's a opposite view, and and I appreciate that. Well, I do too, and he's also quite professional. I think he must have had some broadcast, stuff in his background. Regardless, I was just gonna say that Alex is a real good judge of talent. Yeah. Excuse me. So today, watching yesterday, and, of course, the end of the month over there for Owen and on the last Friday of the month, he always has a Veterans Day. And so a bunch of people are calling in, and he has gotten Phil Tierney, who I think lives in Texas. Now, Mark, you you know who Phil Tierney is. I'm I'm pretty sure, was one he's one of the survivors of the USS Liberty.
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I did not know that. I I caught I was starting to watch Owen, and then I switched to Harrison because he was, you know, making it all veteran type thing. But Yeah. I didn't hear him mention that that that Phil Tierney was the survivor of the Liberty,
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the USS Lee. Now he aired about half of that in what I'm watching here this morning. But the whole interview's over on band.video. And I would imagine there's probably some new people in the audience that don't know this story. I mean, they have kept this really tight under wraps for well, I it happened in 1967 or '8. So that's how long it's a long time. Fifty years. You know? Yep. Sixty, actually, almost. Regardless, he's got Tourney on. Tourney looks real good. You know, a lot of the members of the Liberty are gone. McGonagall, who is the captain and all that. And for, the do you do you remember here when you were young, Mark, you remember hearing about the Pueblo with, captain Booker, the one that got, what do you Shanghai over there with by the Koreans?
No. Some of y'all remember. You don't remember that? Kinda before my time. Okay. Well, that was the Pueblo in Bucher, and it was on the news every damn night. Well, the Pueblo was the sister ship to the Liberty. And it goes through this, and they never even mention it. K. So, those are the only two. They're real sophisticated spy ships. They could say he was just telling, oh, and he said, we could pin We could take a laser and send a bounce it off the moon and have it at in NASA or where wherever, NSA, in three seconds back in the sixties. K? Wow. So it's worth watching if you don't know this story, because it really exposes our pals.
Man, they have desperately tried to, tried to knock this down. So this is what happens here this morning. Is he's Owen's taken calls yesterday. Right. Veterans all veterans. And, the last callers are navy guy that calls in from the Midwest somewhere. His father, it turns out, and he's telling the story. He says, well, my dad, who's this great guy and this, that, and the other, praises his father. And he was a medic on a submarine that was in the area called the USS Amberjack. And they witnessed the whole thing and took pictures, by the way. And I've never heard this before today. K? And so then, Owen goes, well, that's it. And we talk about that in this documentary. What a unbelievable coincidence.
The son of one of the the medic on this submarine that was there and witnessed the whole thing. Wow. And so the submarine, plugged off, and I think the Liberty too. I'm not sure if they shadowed them or not, but the submarine went to Malta. And he said, my dad who's so brave and this, that, and the other. And the CIA come on board and took all the the photographs that anybody had and and said, if any of you ever speak against, about this, the rest of your lives will throw you in jail and strip you your pension pensions.
And so the son says, look, I've talked to a whole bunch of the guys over the years from the Liberty, and they all are trying to get my dad to write this down. And he won't do it. He's scared he's gonna take they're gonna take his pension.
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Oh, wow.
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Wow. Well, it might be one of those that after he passes away, maybe, you know, they ought to be writing it down. But, you know, once he passes away, they publish it. Well Roger, for the listeners, not everybody knows what what the USS Liberty was about. Can you just briefly describe that? I mean, that's what got us into the Vietnam War, wasn't it? Well, it wasn't. I don't know that got us into the Vietnam War, but this is what they were trying to do. And it was evidently, as Tourney was saying, it was,
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we were fully embedded in Vietnam by '67. And, he he he said it was planned a year in advance at least from some of the logistics and the things that he was going over talking with Owen. If you're not familiar with this, you really ought to go over band.video and dig that up and get the whole story from one of the last survivors of this incident. They were normally on the West Coast Of Africa, and they were a spy ship. Plain and simple. K? And they were on the West Coast Of Africa, and all of a sudden, they get these orders that said they you said that they were letting guys off offshore leave on the beach and this, that, and the other. And they got orders and said, get your butt over here to the Road of Spain. And if you can't get those guys up off a shore, leave leave them. Boy, that's unusual.
Okay. So said if you can't get them off shore, leave leave them. And, so they high assed around up the up the West Coast Of Africa. They're gonna get a cup of coffee. And they ended up in Ruta, Spain, which is a big base over there. And, they, took on some translators, one, marine translators. He said one of them I've never heard these details before this morning. One of them well, they're both marines. One of them was, Arabic, and the other maybe was Hebrew. Whatever. And then all of a sudden, man, they're just boom right in the Mediterranean heading east over to Satan's sandbox. And he said it was, he just said this a minute ago. That's why this this interview is so interesting because he's letting things out of details I've never heard before.
And I've heard on a lot of these guys interviewed over the years. Usually around, June 8, they bring them on different alt shows. But it's like the guy says, the alt media is so big now that everybody wants to talk with them. So this is getting a lot of exposure. Hopefully, it'll continue up to the June 8 date. So, anyway, he said they left route of Spain, and they were headed to, Satan's sandbox. And he said, in the Mediterranean, all the other ships in the Mediterranean were headed west, and they were headed east by themselves. And so they were 12 and a half miles off of the coast, international waters.
And, they're out there. It's a beautiful day. They had the biggest US flag, that that is in the inventory. Five by eight feet. They had brand new flag. They opened it that morning because all morning, the Israeli jets were flying over, and they'd wave at them. They said they flew so close you could wave at the at the pilot, and they'd wave back and they'd dip their wings and stuff. You know? Wow. And then all of a sudden, they turn around and start attacking them. Oh. And they were using heat seeking missiles. This is just about where I got when we went on the air. That's why I was so late, Paul. And, they were throwing out heat seeking missiles at the Liberty, and it was like the guy said, well, we were a spy ship. We had all kinds of antennas and stuff all over the boat, the ship. It's a ship. Floats like a boat. No. It's a ship.
And so the heat seeking missile missiles will pick up the heat off of those transmission wires. Wow. And so they were blowing all of the antenna, everything else they went after, all the doors that had seals on them. They were intentionally trying to sink the ship, so they could blame it on Egypt and bring everybody into World War three. This is all the way back in the sixties, folks. Sixty seven. And, so anyway, if you hear the rest of the attack, I didn't haven't heard what he had to say about it, but there was one guy. And I'm not I'm not sure if it was Phil or not.
There was one guy that was in the radio part of the ship, and he he found a broken wire, and he went out there and and and pasted it together, spliced it in, and they got their mayday messages off. K? That he's the only reason that ship didn't sink. They they they originally went after it with 50 caliber machine guns from the planes, and then they came back with torpedo boats and, torpedo, boats and planes. And they shot torpedoes after they'd strafed it for twenty five or more minutes. K. Killed a bunch of people, thirty, forty people, and they came back and laid in torpedoes.
And just by the grace of god, folks I mean, this is all god stuff. Gotta be. That torpedo hit the part of the boat where it had a rib coming down, and it didn't do enough damage to sink the boat. Only because it hit a rib and the other two torpedoes missed.
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That's amazing.
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These are our allies, and it's like he's going well, we thought these were our allies, man. We're waving at them. We feel good. We're out there, you know, doing stuff on deck. It's a beautiful day, and bam, all of a sudden, we're under attack. So this is the this is the wonderful Israeli US relationship here, our allies. So let me tell you the tell the rest of the story for those of you who may not the best I can remember. So, they, put on a Mayday call. They had, it was heard. But evidently, I and I never knew there was a submarine in the vicinity before today that was close enough to witness it and take pictures. It was called the hammer jack. Okay? So they got the mayday call out. Oh, by the way, guess who was over the Navy, Europe, Navy Europe when this happened that covered it up? You got a guess, Mark?
How about John McCain's father, the admiral?
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Oh,
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I was gonna say McNamara, but I don't know if it was Nope. John McCain's father was of navy over Europe. He was involved in this and helped to cover it up. Okay? And so, there's a good and and the the seed doesn't fall too far from the tree. And, so, anyway, they got that Mayday call out, and somebody called Johnson. It was the middle of the night in The US, and they called Johnson. And he was president, and he said, he said, let them sink that ship. I do not want to alienate a good ally. Let them sink the GD ship. I don't wanna lose a good ally. That was president Lyndon Baines Johnson, folks. Oh, I don't know. There. She's horrible.
So the ship was yeah. Hey, Tom. How are you doing, bud?
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Okay. Well, if you wanna you're gonna finish, go ahead. I'll wait.
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Well, I was just gonna say that that they called the ship. The ship had enough. It it was viable. It it wasn't gonna sink because the torpedo hit that rib and bounced off. Didn't explode it, but it still did damage, but it didn't blow the hole in the side that would have sunk the ship. The ship made it to port. I don't remember which port Tom might. It may have been it may have been either Malta or, Rue Rue Du, Spain. And, they, did the repairs on it. They brought everybody back that was alive and lived through it, and they told them the same thing they told the guy on the Amberjack. If you let one word of this get out, we'll you'll spend the rest of your life in Leavenworth, and we'll strip you of your pension. So that's why you've hardly never heard about it, k, all these years. Same threat, same crap that they use. And, they gave McGonagall, who was the captain, the medal of armor.
But the it's the only time in the history of our country that the medal of honor wasn't awarded at the White House in the Rose Garden. It was rewarded over at Virginia Beach at the close ceremony at the naval base there in Newport. That's about what I, what I know out of it. What Tom, what do you got to add?
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Also this is Brent. Hey, Hey, Brent. Also on that medal of honor
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Also on that medal of honor, it's the only non combat one ever given.
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Is that okay. I didn't know that. K. And it was not awarded at the White House. They have tried to squash this information for fifty years, folks. So, if you're not aware of this, and I'm sure there's probably some newbies in our audience that may not have, I would highly encourage you to go back and watch this interview. You can find it on band.video. It's gotta be close to the top there. This was just yesterday. And, watch the whole story out of one of the survivors' mouths. It's a ugly, ugly, another ugly side of these sorry ass bastards. Sorry.
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Tom, was that Tom earlier had something to add? Or or was that I thought that was Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Having being an ex navy, the easy way to remember it is a a ship flies and a boat sails. You can put a ship on a boat, but you can't put a boat on a ship.
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Yeah. So Floats like a boat. Yeah. And My dad my dad would say floats like a boat.
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Yeah. My dad was army air corps, and I was navy. So it's still kinda got the best of both worlds there. But even though I was mostly in Airedale, the only the only, the only boat I was ever on was the wooden, USS Never Sail on the tarmac of the, naval training center boot camp in Orlando. And I see. That was that was it as close I got to a ship. That
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sounds like pretty good going on with ocean. That sounds like pretty good shore leave to me there, Tom.
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Yeah. And, you know, it's funny that, I joined at 17, and my dad made a deal with our senator that if I enlisted at 17, that I would go to technical school because I had a technical background, you know, with electrician and stuff. So I go to boot camp and the day we we graduate and I get my orders and it's to be a fireman on the, USS Forrestal, speaking of McCain. Mhmm. It's the ship he almost sunk by, being a hot dog on the deck with, doing hot starts on in an a four.
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Of course, Forrestal was one of the guys that was blowing the whistle on this back in the forties, and they helped him, jump off the top of Bethesda Naval Hospital. Go ahead. So they named a boat after that.
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Yeah. So, so I called my dad. I said, do I gotta go to fireman school to become electrician? And he goes, what? I said, I got orders to the forestall to be a fireman. He says, you just stay right there. You don't leave. And, so he I guess he called the senator, and they called. And then the next day, I had new orders to, Jacksonville Naval Training Center to be a aviation electrician. Okay. Damn sure I didn't wanna be a fireman. I mean, that's okay. You know, I had fire I had fire training when I went to c school, but, never got a chance to use it. The only thing I learned was, if you're ever in a fire, hit the deck because they took us into this concrete building, and it and it was like you had to go left, right, left, right, left, right to get to the back, you know, have these wall partitions.
And, they took us back there. It's completely dark. You've got a respirator. And so the the, the the, the guy training us, but, I guess, he lights off a tear gas canister, and he says, okay. You take off your mask and, you know, recite your fifth general order and you can leave. And, they got to me and I was choking and I just couldn't stand it anymore. And I ran for the door and bam, hit the wall. It went around. Bam, hit the wall. By the time I got out, I was bleeding. And, when when we all got outside, we couldn't figure out, you know, how the hell was he talking to us and not choking, and we're all gagging and puking and everything else because he was sitting on the floor, and that's something he'll never forget if there's a fire Right. You know, on the to get on the floor.
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Yep. Yep. All goes up. That was a yep. Fun and games in the military. So if you if you got any young children and you wanna get them out of the graft in case we should get into any of this crap that's brewing, get an affidavit in. Go ahead.
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Yep. That's it. So, anyway, I'm glad to see you're still kicking, still doing well. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, man. We're hanging in. I'm listening during the week. I'm always listening. I just don't have a lot of time to, you know, jump in. But Right. I'm always listening on the, Global Voice. Well, we appreciate you. Do you hear those Ritz interviews? No. I didn't get a chance because I keep listening to stuff, and I I got I have the link she sent me, so I gotta get over and listen to them. But, you know, it's, Well probably everything you've taught us. And
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is he gonna bring you back? Well, no. I heard that the second one didn't wasn't really exciting as much as the first one. Well, I guess not because of something he'd said that I tried to adhere to, which said he wanted to learn. So I wanted to go into in a little bit of depth into some of these things. And and, I I don't know. Just I don't think he is an open mind as to what we're doing. He thinks everything's gonna fail, and there's no hope. And there's always hope. And, that shows me a little bit of lack of faith on his part, but that's who Jeff is, and I've been listening to him for years. I'm grateful that I was able to be on this program whether we get any response out of it or not. But I'm kinda surprised, and I've had to honestly go back and reevaluate his audience a little bit in my mind. So, anyway, that's just things I knew with. Maybe people would come later. You should have told them that, that you were out out, you know,
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relaxing, looking at the moonlight and a and a UFO landed and gave you an affidavit. Said here, take this. Here, take this take this to the secretary of state.
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Take this to your leader.
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Right. Yeah. To your leader.
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So yeah. Well, anyway, so be it. We got a little extra exposure, and, so, you know, I'm play I'm pleased. That was a big goal for me. I'm pleased I got on there. When I logged on here, it said there was about 50, people logged on. So that's a pretty good crowd. Well, yeah, for Saturday, not too bad. People taking their Saturday mornings out to be with us. Several of them got questions, and they're going, would you get all stop talking about all that crap and get to me where I can get to their question. And we'll try and do that. I just thought this liberty thing is so important.
It's such a well, yeah. It is just such an indictment on our you know, enemies, and they don't know. They can't deal with it. See? And anything we can do to expose these sorry bastards, because they've certainly got control of part of the Trump apparatus, it would appear. So these kind of things coming out on shows like Owen, where I know that people from the White House watch Infowars. Okay? They watch all the hosts. So that's good information, and, maybe some of them didn't know that either. Alright. What else? That was that's just really critical to get these people exposing what we do, plus it exposes them like what we do. You know, how we expose them.
Yes. Is that Samuel?
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Yeah. You know, some boats fly in the opening of the film, Raiders of the Lost Ark. You've got the China Clipper. I built that while I was at Lucas.
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Really? Okay. Yeah. So, again, it was a boat.
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The I see. The real one they had a real one in Richmond, which they could use for when people were boarding it, but it that one didn't fly, I guess. So we had to build a model of the China clipper. So I carved all the fuselages, wings, verticals. Really? Friend, made made the engines and detailed it and airbrushed it and then everything, and that's what we use to, do the flight scene.
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Wow. Cool. See there, we got some real no notorious people in our audience here. Thank you, Samuel. We had a Michael yesterday wanted to see if Mark will Mark be there tomorrow? I wanna ask him some questions, and I said, I'm pretty sure he would be, and he is. And so, Michael, if you're bated breath sitting there waiting to get on and talk to mister Mark, now is your time. Are you with us? I'm assuming tomorrow. I am here. I am. There you are. Hey, Michael. Morning.
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Good morning.
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Are you familiar with the I'm not much of it. Yeah. You for before you go on it, were you familiar with this Liberty incident? No. Please go back and watch. Find that video on band.video and watch this. All of you guys that aren't familiar with this need to be armed with this because if you're ever gonna come into anybody with this Israeli conversation, there's three incidents you really need to know about. USS Liberty is one of them. An incident called Die Er Yassin, d I e r. It's a it's a town, was a town, still is. Dier Second, Y A S S I N, Dier Yasin.
And the other one is the Lavon affair, l a v o n affair, where Israeli, terrorists tried to blow up buildings in Egypt, libraries and stuff, and blame it on on US to get Egypt and US into a war. So those are three things that they cannot counteract, three things that everybody needs to know about. Go ahead, Michael.
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Yeah. Mark?
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Yeah.
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Hello. I yeah. You you know, I'm self employed, sole proprietor. So how do you say that word? Sole proprietor.
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Right? There you go. Yep. Yes. Here you go.
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Okay. So I fill out my $10.40 NR, and I am struggling with the, on the OI, it says, are you a US citizen? Yes or no? And I've seen everybody say, were you ever I'm sorry. D one is were you ever
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a US citizen? That's a yes. Yes.
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Are is it is that a trap question? No. No. So you don't need that you per would say don't leave that blank. Answer it. No. No. Yeah. I would answer it. We've done it before and no issues come up. Okay. As and then did you ever file a US income tax return for any prior year? Is that a trap? Can I say No? Twenty twenty three ten forty?
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I'd say twenty twenty three ten forty. Do you not have a sample OI?
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I do have a sample. And the sample OI oh, I have it in front of me.
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Okay.
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K. And then, a little bit further down, the sample that I've OI says, the country on l one, it says United States Of capital a America, and then tax treaty article, you would say Burrows Haber versus Union Pacific Railway Company. And then the other one's treasure TD twenty three thirteen. And then the one we all know we talk about is a 26 CFR one dot one dot one dash one eight. Right. Okay. Correct. Is that okay. And then for the amount of exact income in a current tax year would be the l one d column. What the heck do I put in there for in in my case? The total the total amount of your gross income. Total amount I mean, what as for me being a farmer, gross checks for grain, livestock
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Well, hold on a lot. And Hold on. That's not what I said. Alright.
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Alright.
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Your income, the total amount of your income that you receive. Normally, most people would get a w two most people would get a w two or a ten ninety nine that shows the income that they receive. So you total that up because you're gonna send a copy of that in with your your ten forty and r. So you're I don't have a w two. Oh, okay. Well, if if you're if you don't have any income withheld, you are you trying to go for a refund? Do they do they I am
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yeah. Basically, all of 2024.
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Finish first. Let me ask the question. For 2024 last year, did you have any income taxes withheld?
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Not withheld, but I paid quarterly taxes not knowing what I was gonna do. Well, that's okay. Okay. So then what's your draft? Get your quarterly taxes. I'm trying to get my quarterly taxes, and then my understanding is I stopped filing.
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That's correct. This should be your last year to file unless you you're seeking some kind of refund.
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Or unless you're getting that refund. If you unless you got any of these dividends and stuff, which I trust you don't have. But if you do, then you file on that.
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Yep. I called my CPA and asked about those dividends, and she says they're really not dividends. They're like rebates with a comp my as I do business No. That's not true. And they they will pay, dividend. When I retire, I get a portion of that one at retirement. No. No. Let's
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let's let me let
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me clarify that really easily. I've held a a life insurance license, and life insurance dividends are not taxable because they're just a rebate of a partial overpayment of your monthly premium. Most people don't know that. And the IRS was trying to tax dividends paid on insurance policies. And the insurance company, they all went to court on this and they proved, and there was a decision made that income or dividends from insurance policies are not true dividends in the sense that they are just partial refunds of premium overpayments.
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And and my CPA
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So I don't know what your CPA thinks, but if you own hold on. If you own individual stocks that pay you dividends, that's not an that's not a return of an overpay.
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You're earning This is not what this is. Yeah.
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Right. You're you're you're holding stock, preferred stock that pays dividends. You could hold that for fifty years and it's gonna continue to pay you dividends as long as they're profits enough to pay dividends out. It's not an it's not an a return of an overpayment or it's not a partial return of overpayment. Your CPA does not know what they're talking about if that's what they told you.
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Yeah. From my understanding, this is not the $8.70 71 b dividends that she's
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trying to explain to me. I don't believe I have any of that. I don't know what she was trying to explain, but I I would say next time, be sure you're recording your phone call so you can play it back and take notes because Yeah. I mean, I I don't know why they're saying what they what you're telling me they said. They just I yeah. It's way out in left field to me.
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Have you heard of a $10.99 p a t r, like patronage dividend? But that's what I think that's what she
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Well, that's that's something totally different. If you get a dividend, you're gonna get a $10.99 dash DIV. David Indigo Victor. Yeah. For dividend. $10.99 dash DIV for dividend. I don't know what this patronage thing is. Did you get a ten ninety nine dash PAT?
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Yeah. Let me
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yeah. I got a p a ten ninety nine p a t r, which is taxable distributions received from cooperatives. Right. Right. That's what I got. That's not what you And she didn't put. Yeah. See, I don't understand. Right? I'm k. And she didn't even put she she put that in my schedule f as income, not in the k. Dividend
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Okay. Schedule. Here here's the thing. Why is your CPA doing your taxes this
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year? That because I didn't know what I was gonna I was paying my quarterly taxes. Okay. I didn't know what I was gonna do this year. I hear the rubber meets the road. I'm two weeks from April 15. I'm now I'm I know what I wanna do. Okay. And, you fill out the ten forty n r
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and you fill out the, the OI, schedule OI, they go together. Now we've had people not fill out the OI and their their tax return went through. We had other people who didn't use the OI and the IRS sent them a letter saying we need more information about your tax treaty and so forth, which they're basically asking the same information that's on the OI schedule. So I think it's just cut to the chase, provide them the schedule OI. It's not a big deal. It's a one page document and send that in with your ten forty n r. And you put down their tax payments. You put in all the taxes that you prepaid quarterly for the year.
And then all your ten ninety nines, any w twos, your total income that they show is what you put down as your tax exempt income. And then that should leave you that should leave you a refund balance of all the prepaid taxes that you sent in.
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What if I have it as It it doesn't What if I have What if I have a stack of ten ninety nines that don't even fit in a Manila envelope? Do they need all those copies? They they have a copy of they have all of those ten ninety nines on on file. All I can say is read the instructions.
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K. Read the instructions. What what does what does your CPA do? Did she previously just scan those in?
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Yeah. So you're telling me that she scans every ten ninety nine in? I don't know what she does. I don't know what your CPA does. I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. So you're saying the rules are every ten ninety nine should be attached to the ten forty n r? That's what the that's what the
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instructions say.
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Okay. Do I make a cover letter explaining?
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Well, you don't have to explain all your ten ninety nines. They know that. Okay.
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But they they They understand that my ten ninety nines are under that exempt of of one l one d.
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They understand why I've I've got a bunch of ten ninety nines. Well, there is a there is a cover letter that I normally put in with that. But this is this is for people that Roger and I have have helped, and they were willing to pay a a percentage of whatever was refunded to them. And then they get our our service. And if the if there's anything that comes back from the IRS, then we help them respond accordingly to it. So but, yes, I just put a cover letter on there saying enclosed is my is my ten forty n r and, and your ten ninety nines.
That's pretty much it. You're a national and not a US citizen.
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Yeah. Yeah. So your your I should scan there. Don't take what I what all those ten ninety nines I got mailed to me. I had to make scanned copies of them and keep those with me and put boy, that's gonna be a lot of
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Well, I don't know.
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Okay. Usually, you get a ten ninety nine. It's it's two copies or three copies. One for you Yep. One for the feds, and one for the state. Usually get three three copies. So I don't know how you receive yours, but, you know, all I know is if you read the instructions, they want copies, doesn't have to be the original, but the IRS wants copies of your ten ninety nine and w two. What about
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what about income I received? I never got ten ninety nine. All I've got are check deposits, and then I've got bank statements showing deposits. Do I give them bank statements?
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No. They're not giving them bank statements.
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All I give is So then how do I
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call them? Michael, here. Michael, can let me see if I can inject this. Michael, when they send those out, they've got one of these at their place, and they're asking you to send in a copy of what you got so they can match those.
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Exactly. Right. But what about I'm trying to be honest here. I may I made income that wasn't $10.99
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that I wanna be exempt from. Well, if it wasn't reported to them, they don't have a record of it.
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Right.
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But what if they do an audit and say, hey. There's this income that you claimed exam okay. Yeah. I know it's what if, but I know it's what if, but they're they stay mute till about maybe three years from now. They may there's a good possibility
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they won't be around in three years, but whatever.
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If I want I don't have any number down. That's Okay. Why? Let this Put put down what promise is best for you.
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Nobody promised you a rose garden here. K? I don't wanna sit here and argue. I'm not gonna sit here and argue and try to tell you one thing and you do the what if and I'll you know, I wanna be honest. Well, yeah, we're all honest. We're playing we're playing with our cards up. So if you normally if you're if you're your income from a source or interest payments are below $600, an institution isn't gonna bother sending you that. It's not being reported to the IRS. Now if you feel like it needs to be reported to the IRS, then by all means, put that down and account for it in some way, showing that that's what you receive.
And that's perfectly fine. There's not a problem with that. But I would make sure that whatever and see, as a national, you're exempt from all that. Even if they come back in three years and ask questions and want to do an audit. Whatever you show them, you're still exempt from it unless it falls under eight seventy one B as in bravo or section eight seventy seven B as in bravo. It has to come from with from a US source. That income has to come from a US government source.
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Outside of that, I have to come back and yeah. Go ahead. Have you ever heard the saying it's better to ask forgiveness than permission?
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. Okay. You it it's just that you're trying to come up with all these scenarios if you're gonna get burned. And I'm just saying if you're missing national, it's not necessary.
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And and those things you're conjuring up are more than likely. They they may happen in one in a trillion, but that's about the the chance that's gonna happen. First of all, the other thing is they don't wanna do anything, I don't believe, to bring this information into any kind of a forum where it could be spotlighted. They're scared to death of this. They're not gonna come back, especially over some trivial amount of funds, and come back and start dinging somebody like you where it could get brought into the local newspapers, etcetera, etcetera. That's my feeling. K?
Mhmm. So do you feel I know people are this is just evidence for how scared people are of the IRS. And and the fact that I'm This is flimsy. Flimsy ass little scam they got going that all hinges on one sentence on one piece of paper to one guy to all go away. They know that. They wanna scare you where you'll never stick your head up and ask a question. Never.
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Yeah. My father is your age, Roger, and he has told me ever since I was 20 years old, I'm gonna work, pay taxes, and die. He said that so many times to me. And if I told him what I'm doing here, what I wanna do Uh-huh. It'd keep him up at night. It'd keep him up at night. Still paying taxes.
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If you have any constitutional taxes, you're gonna pay them, Michael. It's not that you're not paying taxes. It's that you're not paying unconstitutional taxes that are communist manifesto based.
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Yeah. Unlawful. They're only you you everybody pays whatever lawful tax they owe, period. Yes. And if you don't owe the tax, why do you have to pay it? Why do you wanna pay it?
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Well, you you wanna pay it. We wanna pay it so they can sink our damn warships over there in the Mediterranean.
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Yeah.
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Because I guarantee you, what they shot at the Liberty was the ammunitions we gave them.
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Yeah.
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Well, hang on. Let's finish up with Michael before everybody I'm okay. Today.
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So, Michael, you got my email address. Right? Straw man I even emailed you. I I I I emailed you, Mark. I was hoping you were gonna email this before. I think I have a draft sitting in my folder,
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trying to go through and answer everything that you asked.
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So I know what else to tell you than that. Michael,
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it will offer you that you're trying to get a three years of revocation of election in?
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That is my plan is to see if I can get my my estimate taxes, you know, one step at a time.
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Okay. Well, it would it make you feel better if we took care of it for you and you gave us 15% of anything you got back? If you wanna do that, we'll do it for you. If you wanna do it yourself and go through all this, you make that choice. I'm just telling you there's a choice there for you. Okay?
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Yeah. Is this a conversation that can be over the phone, like like, with Mark? Is it We could be out of the Yeah. We could be out of the air right here if you want. I mean, it's a service we offer. Mhmm.
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Only thing is we're getting down to April 15, and I don't know how much time I'm gonna have to try to help people rushing at the last minute. You know? Well, the ROE
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can be done any time
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within the three years. Is that Yeah. You've got a you've got a little wiggle room.
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I got a little wiggle room. I have them just wanna get this one done so I can see my first year of estimated taxes that I paid in accidentally.
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Okay. Okay. Well, then we're gonna leave that decision in your lap. Okay? You don't tell anybody what to do around here. Alright? It's your choice.
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So And look. You can go you can go out to nationalstatus.com, and under their across the top, there's a link that says the remedy, and it'll have a drop down menu, and you click on internal revenue service. And Dave and Kaye have laid out very step by step examples out there that you can follow.
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Have you heard of anybody in our realm that has been six I can't remember what you said on Wednesday, Dan. Yes. Yes.
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Yes. If you're filing for the first time, a ten forty n r, those refunds have been granted. We've not had a problems with those. Where we've had a little bit of a delay is on the trying to get a refund for previous years that we already filed a standard ten forty a schedule of tax return, and we're trying to come back and do a ten forty n r. So that's been a little bit problematic. Dave and Kaye, I think Dave was saying the other day that, he sent in the wrong year for his ten forty NR. He's he sent in the wrong year, so he had to go back and correct that to get a to get a refund for a previous standard ten forty file.
So it's still in the process. And, but I'm I'm expecting at some point in time, we'll have a breakthrough in trying to go back and get prior year's taxes up to three years, which means if you file the October, tax schedule in 2021, and last year you become a national, then you've got till April fifteenth of this year to file an amended return for 2021. So if it were me and I was gonna try to get a 2021 re refund, I'd file for my 2024 if I needed to. Right? Twenty twenty four is due by April fifteenth of this year. Your 2021 was due by, I believe, April fifteenth of of twenty twenty two.
You add three years to that, that's coming up due. April 15, you if you're gonna seek an amended refund, or excuse me, an amended return for 2021, you need to get that in before April fifteenth of this year, '20 '20 '5. Alright.
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Tom, did you have a comment a minute ago?
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I had a question. I was gonna ask Mark that, would it make sense, Mark, that if wouldn't it make sense, Mark, that if he's gonna file the the NR, that the amount that he's requesting, once he adds up all his $10.90 nines and all that, the amount that he's requesting for a refund should match the the return that he filed where he paid. No. That way he'll know exactly what he has coming. No. Not in his situation, Tom.
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Look, he he paid, like, many businesses do, they pay quarterly estimated taxes. So he's already prepaid the taxes that he were was expecting to owe this year. So his total amount of taxes, or excuse me, his total income he'll list, but he's exempt from that and doesn't owe any tax on that. So his, you know, his his taxes for his income is zero, but he prepaid whatever amount he prepaid, and he wants a refund on that because he didn't owe it. Does that make sense?
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Yep. Yeah. So the amount that he's requesting should be the same amount that he paid in.
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Yes. That's well, he's yeah. In the quarter in the quarterly pay in the quarterly payments.
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It's total? Yeah. He's seeking a refund for the total quarterly payments that he made for last year.
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Yes.
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And then and then Tim, previous years that he did file ten forty regular 10, the amount he's requesting as a refund should match the amount that he paid in. And if he adds up all his $10.90 nines and all that, those numbers should all jive. If they don't, then there's, you know, there's a miscalculation somewhere on his part.
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Well, it's a little different because he's already had his taxes done. The previous years, he already filed a tax return. So now we're amending that by filing a ten forty n r. So we're gonna show the total income that we received based upon any and all ten ninety nines and w two's. Then we're going to show that that was exempt. All my income is exempt from taxes, so I owed zero taxes. But whatever I paid in officially for that year's tax return, I'm asking for a full refund. And that could be now hold on. That could be, quarterly, pre estimated tax that I paid in and any additional taxes that I paid with my tax return.
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Right. Over and above.
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Over and above what I have prepaid in. Yes. That's correct. So everything that was paid in for that tax year, I'm seeking a full refund of it. And that will be on his 10:40 schedule that he already filed. Whatever his total tax was there, that's what we're, you know, that's what we're seeking a refund for. Okay. Michael, the taxes your situation taxes that we're paying.
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Your situation is a lot more complex than the average bear. And Yep. The good news is once you get this behind you, you won't have to owe those thieving bastards anything for the future. Yep.
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Yep. I see it at the minute. So you've had some pretty good you've had some pretty good size people's had some pretty good size refunds, Roger. Right? I mean, there was some big
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We we had one that'd choke a camel if I told you what it was. Yeah.
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Yeah. Go ahead, Michael.
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Well, Bruce, hold on. You have to get behind a sketch. Okay? Michael, alright. Michael, what do you so
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where are you in Well, I've also paid, estimated taxes to the Minnesota State. I'm assuming they're gonna play ball and refund me as well. Well, yeah. Well, we don't assume anything here.
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No. We we hope because we're having problems with Oklahoma tax commission. And, they actually took took the tax return for last year, 2024. It was for the previous year. Right? So last year, we filed 2023 taxes, filed it in 2024, mailed it on April fifteenth of last year. The Oklahoma Tax Commission showed that they received it, but they never responded with any and they never sent a refund. The the, one of Rogers' listeners followed up with a letter to them and then went on online. And instead it went from showing that they'd received it to, we never received it. So he went and walked into their offices here not too long ago, and they started interrogating him.
And they they basically say, are you a tax protester? I mean, this all went downhill. When they saw the income that he made and they saw that he wasn't going to pay any taxes, then they all got indignant. Even though he mailed them a follow-up copy of his, tax transcript from the IRS showing that he owed zero taxes, and that his his adjusted gross income was zero. And he had zero taxes, and they just, you know, won't they weren't accepting it. So we're not we're not done with them. So what Minnesota state will do, I have no idea.
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Alabama's given Michael nail problems down there. Just one person That's facts. Just isolated. Yes. They're coming and saying you owe Alabama taxes. We don't care if you're a resident or not. Yada yada yada. And and have grabbed some already. I think they garnished his wagers. And this is, Mark, what I was talking about the other day. I don't think you were with us that day, Thursday, is these are these incidents where we should get somebody to draft a little letter to the secretary of state saying, will you issue to the court or to the taxing authority this, certificate of noncitizen nationality?
And, see, the other administration wouldn't have done it, but this one may. You know? I don't know. Yeah.
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Well, from what I saw in that section 15 o two, it doesn't really look like they have a choice. Now here's what I would do. No. It does say it's their prerogative. Okay. Well, then then if if if they don't wanna cooperate because I would talk to them as well. I'd, you know, I would call them up and ask them about it, and then I'd follow-up with a letter requesting it if they were gonna, you know, play ball. You know who the public liaison officer is? Kelly Robinson. Missus
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Robinson. Missus Kukutina. God, the irony is alive. Go ahead.
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So now that cert on the travel.gov website where they talk about the certificate of nationality
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Yes. Yes.
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I would use that as a guideline to request one for our status as a national. Because it is a guideline. Now it's it's not it's not that doesn't fall under 15 o two, but it tells you where to mail everything to request that certificate of nationality.
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Oh, does or non national. Remember that. Yes. Okay. Yes. Well, it's just an idea that hit me with some some of these incidents that people ought to request it. I it does say somewhere, it seems they've got a prerogative whether or not they wanna do it, but doesn't hurt you to request. You know? It just doesn't hurt to ask. Right. Well well, hang on. She might not she might not say no. You know?
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If you got some type of case going on like in court case, you have subpoena power. Yes. And you could do what's called a subpoena, deuces take them, which means you can request evidence including a deposition from a third party. So if if if Roger and I had a a lawsuit going against each other and and I knew that Paul had information that would, you know, support my case, I could subpoena Paul and all his records to be provided to this court case. That's called a subpoena ducis takum. And so the same principle would apply if you're in some type of administrative court with a state agency.
You should be able to ask for information from this the, Department of State to provide you a a certificate of non nationality.
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Hey, Mark? Yeah. Paul.
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You've been talking about a bunch of different ten forty forms like the ten forty and the ten forty n r. What about the ten forty x? Do you have to file one of those two if you're correcting a return from a previous year?
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That's an amended return. That is basically a summary of what you're filing. So ten forty x is an amended return, and it's just a a summary of what you're filing and why. And then you attach a copy of the ten forty n r and the original copy of the ten forty that you're correcting.
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Now that could be Right.
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That could be a ten forty a that you previously filed, and you're replacing it with a a ten forty n r. It could be a we have somebody who messed up a ten forty n r, and they're amending their ten forty n r, and they have to use the ten forty x to cover it. So ten forty x is just a summary of your amended return.
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Right. It has nothing to do with Elon Musk.
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It has nothing to do with Elon Musk.
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Okay. From the IRS website, what is the ten forty x form used for? If you didn't claim the correct filing status or you need to change your income, deductions, or credits, you should file an amendment an amended or corrected return using form ten forty x. Yep. So Yep. If you didn't file with the correct status I thought that was interesting that they used that word. Yes.
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I'm sure they think it's, you know, single, married married separated, married filing Probably. Separately.
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I'm sure that's the status they're talking about, but
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whatever. K. Michael, you got any other questions or comments here? You're welcome, Paul.
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I think I'm good. I Alright. Well, I just I mean, I can't see here. I lost all my train of thought.
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Okay. No problem. Question. I'm gonna put you on the back burner, and I'm gonna go the people in line. Sketch was first. Yeah. Thank you, Martha. Thank you, Martha. Okay. You're welcome for everything, Michael. Thanks for being with us. Yeah. Hey. There are other people that have these wanted Mark to mention. Go ahead, Mark.
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I just wanted Mark to mention the the statement of it of Michael's intentions that he should put in any communication with the IRS.
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Okay. Yeah. Put it out there. He can absorb it.
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Mark?
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I I didn't quite follow what you're saying, Sketch. Good. Okay. What is the statement you should state
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when you're communicating upfront about your intentions?
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Yeah. The very first thing I like to and I learned this from Richard Cornforth, one of my mentors. He likes to put in there very first sentence. It is not my intention to avoid paying a tax that I lawfully owe. Now that intention removes any criminality. They try to come back and say you're committing some type of tax crime. Yes. You're saying right up front, it's not my intention to avoid. And he would say actually, he would say, it's not now nor has it ever been my intention to avoid paying a tax that I lawfully owe. Now a couple of our listeners followed up that sentence with another one, and I really like this too. It says, if it's determined that I owe a lawful tax, I will do my best to promptly pay it.
I'm showing my intention to pay any and all taxes that I lawfully owe. And then Legally. I'd say legally. All criminality out of it. It. Do what, Rodney? I'd say I'd say legally there maybe. Oh, okay.
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Just a suggestion.
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So, anyway, they're taking on your criminality. Yeah.
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Yes. Don't forget, Michael, that the the non filing charge is willful failure to file. And so are have you heard of the Cheek case? You probably haven't. No. He was a he was an airline pilot for one of the major airlines, and he went and did all this research. They take a lot of money out of those guys' checks. And, he went and did a lot of research, and it it didn't file because he didn't think he needed to. And so went all the way to the Supreme Court, and they sided with Cheek. The IRS didn't like losing those kind of cases.
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Now let me give you a quick summary of that. It's called Chuuk v United States. The Supreme Court rule. This isn't just some lower federal court. This went up to the Supreme Court. And they ruled that a good faith, albeit unreasonable belief that one is not violating the tax law, can negate the element of willfulness in a tax evasion prosecution, but not if the belief is based on the invalidity of the tax law itself. So in other words, it has to be a reasonable good faith belief that you're not violating tax law, and that takes away the the the total
[01:08:18] Unknown:
criminality of that. Right. Especially when your belief is based on an affidavit that you filed with the secretary of state and obtained also a passport with.
[01:08:28] Unknown:
And I also believe that CFR one dot one dash one is accurate that the IRS publishes. Absolutely. Says a nonresident alien is exempt except for these two sections, eight seventy one, b as in bravo, and eight seventy seven, b as in bravo.
[01:08:45] Unknown:
Micah, we've got these boys by the shorthairs. Bruce, what have you got to add here?
[01:08:52] Unknown:
Just a, possibility of things to happen after he falls, and he, would put in a demand to pay him in refund and cook gold or silver instead of federal reserve note. It's a debt. That's a note. It's a debt you're paying him with.
[01:09:12] Unknown:
They're not gonna pay him in gold and silver. That's really not a reasonable request.
[01:09:17] Unknown:
Take take the funds that you receive and convert it into gold and silver. There you go. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I understand that, but you can ask them to do that. There you go. That won't be interfering anything.
[01:09:30] Unknown:
Well, let me ask this, Bruce. Have you ever known anybody that, requested that from the IRS and they got paid in gold and silver?
[01:09:37] Unknown:
No. It it's just a common sense thing,
[01:09:40] Unknown:
Mark. Oh, okay.
[01:09:43] Unknown:
Alright. I mean, if you if I do if I do a deal with somebody and they want gold and silver, you know, refund or whatever, I'd have to go buy the gold and silver and send it to them. Him, not passing on the fraud we have in our pocket. Oh, you're talking about a a private
[01:10:01] Unknown:
a private transaction.
[01:10:05] Unknown:
No. I'm just honoring his request.
[01:10:07] Unknown:
That is it. Yeah. But you're not the IRS. That's not how it works with the IRS, at least. Unless you got some kind of law that says that they must pay you in gold and silver and you hold their feet to the fire and don't accept any any refund that they send you unless it's gold and silver.
[01:10:25] Unknown:
Well, the hinge here is on legal tender. And legal tender for them is Federal Reserve notes. That's what you pay them and your taxes in, and that's what they're gonna refund you back in saying. Bruce, come back. You're on down on the edge of the limb. Come on back towards the towards the trunk a little bit. K? Alright. Who's next? Yes. Well, yeah, but you're well, you're if you'll get rid of that darn snorkel, you can. We can't understand you when you're 10 feet underwater, sweetie.
[01:11:01] Unknown:
Hey, Rod.
[01:11:03] Unknown:
Alright. Call back in. We're waiting for you. Who's the guy next guy there?
[01:11:08] Unknown:
It's Jack in Colorado. Hello, Jack. Hey. Hey. Question for you. So as you know, my m 40 n r has been rejected, and they sent me the threat for a, frivolous filing fee that they want me to reply to within thirty days, either withdrawing my tax return, or basically just saying withdrawing it and not adding any more Patriot crap in my letter, basically, or else they'll add the fee. So I'm gonna be replying to that, and I'm also gonna be correcting my ten forty n r because I didn't include all my ten ninety nines. I only included just the form that were taxes that were taken out of. So after listening to the conversation, it sounds like I should go ahead and include some ten ninety nines even though there was no tax taken out of them. But all that said, if I'm doing both of those simultaneously, should I just you think maybe my reply to the frivolous filing threat should be, you know, I withdraw that filing return. I'm gonna be correcting it. Do you keep it simple like that? Or should I put, like, my proof state my case on why I'm a national in that?
[01:12:08] Unknown:
Well, are you talking about Colorado or the feds?
[01:12:11] Unknown:
No. This is the best IRS. Colorado's giving me hell too, but I'm trying to focus on fixing the feds so that Colorado will hopefully follow. I would I would send them something back like Vatel's law of nation statement.
[01:12:23] Unknown:
I would include 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a and ask them, is this some Patriot argument or is this IRS regulations? I would ask them and bring them for 20 2313 on a more of an exact definition on nonresident alien in that. And, there's a few other things you could put in there. That's just a couple off the top of my head. How about the, 1835 case where it says that it doesn't matter what the passport says. It's what paperwork is in possession of the secretary. And, this is maybe one of those cases where you could write another letter to the secretary of state requesting one of these certificates be sent over to the IRS to validate the fact that you have an affidavit on file with the secretary of state, and you could attach that and label it exhibit a along with everything else. That sounds like a pretty good response, doesn't it?
[01:13:28] Unknown:
I actually wrote one up just like that as a draft because I know Mark is working on or gonna be working on a letter. Okay. And, actually, Mark, I sent you a draft of kinda what I proposed. I don't know if you got that, but I'm just trying to figure out if I should go that route or just say, hey. I withdraw this. I'm redoing it. Just keep it simple. Well, you might do both. Why not do both? I'm gonna do both. I am gonna redo the NR, but my reply specifically to the frivolous filing fee, I'm just debating on. I don't know, Mark, what is your opinion on how you would reply to that appointment? Just a threat. They didn't levy one on you. They are threatening you. Thank you. Have you have you read that letter?
[01:14:06] Unknown:
Isn't that right, Jack? They're threatening you. That's right. They say within thirty days, I need to withdraw or Okay. Have you seen the letter that I wrote back to them for Shane's letter like that threatening a $5,000 frivolous filing penalty? It's on the website. Okay. I'll go check it out. I'm just wondering if that's what Mark was gonna try to crack. So Okay. Well, I'll let Mark chime in here. I'm just giving you my 2¢. Mark, what do you appreciate it. Yep. Well, yeah. I'm I'm I'm working on that.
[01:14:35] Unknown:
I'm trying to take a much longer letter and and condense it down to one no more than two pages. But the whole thing is you gotta spell out that you're a nonresident alien and and and that they cannot fine you or penalize you. They just can't do it. You're not a citizen of The US. Yep. So it's a threat. Your letter is a threat. Go ahead. The other thing that was really bizarre is the term withdraw. How are you supposed to withdraw a tax return? Never go go dig on the IRS website and go do a Google search. How do I withdraw a ten forty tax form and see if you can find anything? Because I can't find anything officially that says how to do that. Maybe that's a good way to start the letter. So, well, why not just do your ten forty x and ten forty NR and, you know, amend that and mail it in. Just say, you know, and I think you could just say what you were going to say at the beginning of your letter. I withdraw my ten forty NR filed on such and such date, and I'm amending that return.
And then you can provide copies of that amendment or just mail it in. That's fine. But the rest of that letter should be about how they can't penalize you, that you're a non citizen.
[01:16:03] Unknown:
Maybe I'll send them all together, the reply to that letter and my corrected tax form because it's all going to the same address in Austin. Okay. Totally, totally up to you. You can certainly do that. Well, I would like your feedback on, when you get time on the draft, I see what you just see what you think. Alright. I think it's a bluff letter, Jack.
[01:16:21] Unknown:
It is. It is. Been till it's night. Okay. Well, alright. Well, you'll answer it, and you'll never hear from them again. So I don't know about your return and that on the side, but that's the pattern up to this point and there's never been an exception to my knowledge. And believe me, if there's anything that happens to any of you, I'm the first person you get a hold of generally. Roger Roger Roger. I got a letter. I got a this. I got a that. K? And I've never heard one of that anytime at one the whole fourteen years. Go ahead.
[01:16:56] Unknown:
One last question for Mark. Is it possible to put a house in the trust that has a mortgage on it? Yes. Absolutely. Protect it from a lien, from IRS that way? Absolutely. Might have to join your trust class next time and get that done. Okay.
[01:17:13] Unknown:
Yeah. But there's there's a it's called the Saint Germain Act, and it allows you to take a property that, that has got a mortgage on it and transfer it into a family trust, and it does not trigger the due on sale clause. And if if for some reason a mortgage company comes back and says we need the payment in full because you transferred title of the property, you just respond and let them know that was for estate planning purposes only, that property was transferred into a family trust. And that's the end of it. And you might even send them a certification of your trust, which does not provide any private information, but you can send them a certification of your trust, and that's signed by the trustee, and that's the end of it.
Never never had a, mortgage company go through with demanding a due on sale clause just because of putting it in a family trust.
[01:18:18] Unknown:
Is that a irrevocable trust? Doesn't matter.
[01:18:22] Unknown:
Okay. I mean, that's what I that's what I teach is irrevocable trust. They're the most solid. Very difficult to bust. And the other thing too is you don't have, an unscrupulous family member sneak in when, the creator of the trust is mentally declining and have them sign a document that they don't understand. And then all the property goes to one person. Yeah. I've seen it so many times over the past years. I just it's more Like a Jesuit
[01:18:58] Unknown:
Like a Jesuit priest at a dying moment of a bedside.
[01:19:02] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. And, man, I could tell you story after story after story where a a parent, become mentally declined. And in one case, a cousin came in. It was a banker. Can you imagine that? Banker in Tulsa came in and had the mother sign over a whole new will or excuse me, a whole new trust, a whole new living trust that was revocable, meaning it can be changed. And they put down the cousin as the sole heir to millions, multi millions worth of dollars. The husband had been in the oil field. Tulsa is a big oil town and he'd made lots of money in oil and, the three children got nothing.
[01:19:53] Unknown:
There you go. That's why you do not want,
[01:19:55] Unknown:
yeah. You do not want a revocable trust
[01:19:59] Unknown:
if you can avoid it.
[01:20:02] Unknown:
May I Are we on their back? Oh, you came out of the 10 below. Come on, lady Linda. If you do you know how you sound when we tell you to do that?
[01:20:17] Unknown:
Well, I just wanted to, back up a little bit, for Michael from Minnesota and whoever's listening. My notice to the IRS, I did the usual lawful legal notice at the top and notice to principal as notice to agent at the top and notice to agent as notice to principal. And then I continued with not to be considered a filing. It is not my intent to avoid paying my constitutional taxes that I, lady Linda Louise, may lawfully owe. If it is found that I owe a constitutional tax, I will do my duty. So that's right at the top. And then the letter says, and it closes a copy of my affidavit of citizenship evidence, I, Lady Linda Louise, am national as defined in Title eight, US Code, subsection eleven oh one, parenthesis 21, close parenthesis. And then I stated quote, the term national means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state, unquote.
And then the next paragraph, as a national, I am not resident to the residency and alien to the condition of voluntary servitude of the fourteenth Amendment. National status is deceptively identified within Title 26 CFR 1.1-one parenthesis a, close parenthesis as a nonresident alien, comma, of which I am. Please place this notice evidence documents within my administrative file forthwith. And that's how I sit. So I I didn't just say owe taxes. I I added constitutional taxes. I don't know if that's a good idea or a bad idea, but that's what I did. I yelled. And see, Michael, here's what's happening. I think maybe I mentioned this to you the other day.
[01:22:03] Unknown:
This is administrative state stuff. They're a court of record. We're not talking about district courts, but they're a court of record because they do have their own administrative courts. And what binds that all together and basically is the foundation of the entire federal system is your administrative file with any of these agencies you do business with because everything comes from that. Some people will try and go and file a case at the district court level, and the clerk will say, we can't file that for you because you haven't exhausted your administrative remedies. And see, the administrative state is another court, an administrative court, and the record is your administrative folder.
Anything they send you, anything you send them has got to be put in there because it's the basis of the court of record. And anything that's in there can be admitted into either an administrative tribunal or a ongoing court session. Because it's in that folder in the possession of the government, it can be admitted in those cases, and it bypasses the rules of evidence. They can't keep it out. So the more you fill that file with stuff like you just heard from Linda Reed, the safer you are. You know, there's a a it's also on the website. I used to do shows with Al Attisk, very prominent in our movement decade couple of decades ago. Somebody said he still has a show, but I haven't heard any more from that.
And, the IRS, Al wrote had published a journal called the Anti Scheister. I don't know if it was monthly, maybe, all legal oriented stuff. He was a roofer. He got caught in a family court battle. Custody stuff is how he got into this arena. And so the IRS wrote Al something, and he wrote them back 66 questions. And he never heard from them again. Now that those 66 questions are on the website. They're over there on our website. So this administrative folder and these correspondence, things that you trade, are very important in this whole total scope and scheme of the way the federal government is structured and operates.
[01:24:36] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:24:39] Unknown:
Larry.
[01:24:41] Unknown:
Good good afternoon.
[01:24:43] Unknown:
Thank you, sir.
[01:24:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I have a question for you and a question for Mark. When you used to do your revocation of elections with your teachers back, I guess, in the eighties
[01:24:56] Unknown:
The no. No. It was in 1992. I was Okay. It was in 1992. Do a whole but they did mine. I paid for them to do it. I never did it for anybody else. So go go I just knew about it because I got Okay. Three of those frivolous filing penalties. But they, back then, were only $500. Go ahead.
[01:25:17] Unknown:
Okay. So back then, you used you you tell the story how you used to send it to Philadelphia. Of course, all of that's changed. Well, that's And when you when you file ten forty n r's now, you send them to Austin, Texas. So something must have changed there. But anyway Yeah. When you used to do it or when Glenn and John used to do it for you, did you include a now I know you didn't file with the secretary of state. My understanding is when you tell the stories, you sent you sent your, your affidavit to the property records office, I guess.
[01:25:53] Unknown:
Did you use to include No. No. Ho ho ho ho. You don't send things to the property records office. You file them. It is the Right. Right. You filed it with the property records office. Did you And I got it certified by the clerk of the court also. Yes. Okay. Did you used to include a copy of that with your revocation of election sent to Philadelphia? Don't remember. Well, I only did it once, Larry. It wasn't something I did, you know, by every week. And they did it for me, and my head was spinning, and I was stunned at when that was going on. So I don't have any vague memories of the of the whole thing taking place because they did it for a couple other folks too. But, Okay. I did it once.
I I got back $3,500 frivolous filing penalties, which as the, events chain of events went on, ended up being, $35,000. That's the 11 of the Pharisees right there, buddy. But we filed it in the property records office either where we live or where we were born. So I did it in both. I filed one in Marietta. We not only filed it in the property records office, we put it in the freaking legal organ, me and my buddy, Ron Brown. And so filed it both places, put it in the legal organ where we lived, all that stuff. We didn't but we did not know to send it to the secretary of the state.
If we would have, Larry, there's a chance you may live in a different country right now. That's how dramatic that one little piece, that one little link being not completed could have potentially meant.
[01:27:37] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I understand. That's the special link. So with coming up to modern times, when you and Mark, do your revocation of election, for other students that don't wanna tackle it themselves, Do you recommend when you file your three ten forty n r's and your three ten forty x's and you send them to Austin, Texas, do you recommend including with the cover letter, your affidavit that's filed with the secretary of state, or do you just reference it in the cover letter saying, you know, I've already filed an affidavit of citizenship evidence with the secretary of state on such and such date. I'm not a US citizen and resident, and here's
[01:28:21] Unknown:
my my amended returns. Is that all you do? As Mark as Mark does that and I don't, I'm gonna defer that question over to him.
[01:28:31] Unknown:
Okay. Good. And then I have a question for Mark after he answers that question.
[01:28:35] Unknown:
Mark? And I okay. No problem. But before we do that, I do see a hand raise that I don't think we've talked with them yet. So I see a hand raise from, area code 256, and it shows the first name is Richard. So, Richard, if you're standing by, we we're gonna call on you here in just a moment. So, Larry, what I I like to do, and and also Dave and Kaye, they have this mapped out on their website, is they like to put everything in front of whoever's reviewing your tax documents so it doesn't leave anything to question. So they like to put a cover letter, they put their affidavit in with proof of delivery to the IRS, They put in a copy of the revocation of election and then, of course, their tax forms. So everything's delivered to whoever's reviewing these tax documents on a silver platter.
They can see that they you've got proof of delivery. You show them the dates that they received your notices, a copy of yours your affidavit, and and including a copy of their their revocation of election. And then you also, you know, have your tax forms that you put in with that. So if for some reason, some other IRS department didn't put your notice into their computer system, you've got a copy right in front of them. So I hope that makes sense. I mean, you put everything you need right in front of them everything they need right in front of them to make the decision whether your tax return is acceptable or not.
[01:30:10] Unknown:
The less they have to do the less they have to do from the, point at hand, the better off you are.
[01:30:19] Unknown:
Yep. Right. Here's the right in front of you. This
[01:30:21] Unknown:
instead of, sir, go to that file cabinet over there, and then you go to get this document, authenticated, and then you come back. Or here, here's the authenticated document. Can you please stamp it? Bam. No problem.
[01:30:35] Unknown:
So Alright. This the the second question I have,
[01:30:39] Unknown:
well, I I guess it can be answered by both Roger and Mark. So you touched on trusts, a little while ago, Mark. I can't remember if it's Roger or or you, Mark, that tells the story how some taxi company put all of their taxi cabs in separate trusts. And then when when one of their drivers got in an accident, the, they got sued, and I guess the the plaintiff was trying to get, you know, all this money, and they ended up only getting a certain amount like a low amount of money because that particular taxicab the the owner put all the taxicabs in separate trusts, so they were only able to get some money out of one particular trust.
And I I don't know. Does that mean that they were able to get into that trust like they pierce the trust and they were able to acquire that asset?
[01:31:36] Unknown:
Let me just tell the story over. It'll be a lot quicker than you trying to interpret what you thought you ordered.
[01:31:42] Unknown:
So Okay. Sure.
[01:31:45] Unknown:
When I worked in Vegas for a law firm, it was a personal injury law firm. I had a short project period. There were I worked about six months. We had an, client come in who got hit by a yellow taxi, by a taxi cab. And the attorneys immediately said, well, the max we can get off of that is 300,000. And I said, why? And they said, because the taxi cam company there in in Vegas put every taxi in its own separate trust, and each one of those trust had a max policy of 300,000, which would should cover most any type of accident. And, therefore, the the the the owner of the taxi, which is basically the trust at this point, that's all they can be sued for is 300,000.
If if there were damages that went above 300,000, then they would go after the taxi driver. But that's it. It's not it's not piercing the trust. They're holding they're holding the trust responsible for for the car and the damages. So, no, they're piercing the trust. This this this is another way of protecting the company because the company doesn't own that taxi, and they can't sue the company for any damages above and beyond what that taxi cab was covered because it's like two separate entities.
[01:33:16] Unknown:
So this is kinda leading up to a bigger question I have. Alright. So if that's so, you know, there's two things here. Say you put your house in a trust, whether it's you you just said a little while ago, you could be making payments on it, mortgage payments, or maybe you just outright own it, so you put your house in a trust. So the situation with the taxicab, you know, maybe they got in an accident, and it was the taxicab driver's fault. I don't know the situation. So that that's what allowed the the plaintiff to come in there and sue the company, but they were only able to get those assets out of that trust. No. They did not sue the company.
[01:34:00] Unknown:
No. No. They did not sue the company. They sued the trust. Okay. Yes. They sued the trust that the taxi was in.
[01:34:09] Unknown:
Alright. I get it. So let's just say you have a house in a trust. What kind of situation would occur, because obviously houses aren't like cars. You know, you're driving around, you could have the potential of getting in an accident. Right. What kind of situation could arise where somebody could sue a trust that has a a a house in that trust and they can get access to that to that asset, what kind of situation could occur where they could do that? Okay. Is there maybe any situation?
[01:34:40] Unknown:
Just like any homeowner, If there was something that occurred on that property and it can be tied to the to the, ownership of the house, then the house, you know, could be potentially lienable, if you will. But that's where your insurance comes in. You wanna make sure that your home is insured to cover all that. Somebody slips and falls on your porch and has an injury, you better know that your your how home insurance is gonna cover that. So be just like any other homeowner who somebody experienced some type of accident on their home, that then their insurance would cover that. Anything above and beyond the insurance, they could go after the the real estate that's attached to it.
[01:35:28] Unknown:
Alright. And then this is the final question. So as far as you know and even you, Roger, does the IRS have any special privileges that if you put your house in a trust and let's just say, you know, you have some some, some background where, you know, you didn't pay your taxes or whatever, and they they want to, you know, even after you become a national, you have a history that you didn't do something, and they they come after you, and then they're trying to take your assets. Maybe they're going after your house. Okay. Larry If that house was gonna be like Larry Larry Oh, then I'm gonna do what I did with him a minute ago. Come come back into the
[01:36:09] Unknown:
trunk from out on that limb, Larry, a bit. Okay?
[01:36:12] Unknown:
Well, you're you're explaining. You're going on and on about an explanation when when it it's a very simple question. So the question that you're basically asking is if you have a home in a trust, can the IRS go accurate because you owe a tax?
[01:36:30] Unknown:
Right? That's that's pretty much it. Right. And a lot of times, you guys I'm trying
[01:36:36] Unknown:
wait. Let me just say this before you answer. I a lot of times, it might seem like I'm going out on a limb, but I am I I help other students, and I am trying to I might be asking a question on behalf of someone else. And so I'm just trying to get this out in the group so y'all can, like, think about it. So but go ahead.
[01:36:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I mean, it's very simple. The whole purpose of putting your your home and real estate into a a private irrevocable trust is so that it can't be busted. There's a a pretty famous case, well, maybe it's not famous, but there's a case in the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals called N. Ray Baum, B as in Bravo, A, U as umbrella, M as in Mary. N. Ray Baum And the US tenth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling was that even though the trustee was doing some things that looked shady, the trust itself met the six elements of being a trust, and therefore it could not be busted and property taken. Now, let me explain this a little further.
Baum, I think his name was Jerome Baum, filed for bankruptcy. The US Trustee discovered that he had transferred property into a trust and the US Bankruptcy Trustee was suing Baum to bust the trust and take the property. And the court, Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals said, Nope. They meet the six elements of the trust and therefore the trustee cannot bust the trust and take the property. So they sent the government packing because, you know, the the trust was a valid trust. So the IRS is no different. If the IRS is trying to go after an individual and they've got all this property sitting in a trust and and it meets the six elements of of what's required for valid trust, lawfully, the IRS should not be able to reach in and grab those assets. You know you know what they use, don't you, Mark?
[01:38:45] Unknown:
A concept called fraudulent conveyance. And they'll say, no. They you knew you were coming for the you owe these taxes, and you're trying to get that and to get it out of our reach at the last minute. And we say we can pierce it. That's that's what they'd come after you with, Larry. Fraudulent
[01:39:03] Unknown:
conveyance. Yeah. You you hear me? Perfect. I mean, they answered my questions, but Okay.
[01:39:09] Unknown:
Do you hear anybody? You you you just don't hear about that stuff. Okay? I mean, you so anyway but but that's what they'd use, fraudulent conveyance.
[01:39:23] Unknown:
Right. And the thing about fraudulent conveyance, it can't be used if there wasn't a court case already started. So in other words Yeah. They have to have some procedures against you, and you were trying to avoid it by doing Right. Right. But if that if that house or car or whatever property was already in that trust before a case arises, then and it meets the six elements like hands. Right. Exactly. Alright. Thank you.
[01:39:50] Unknown:
Alright. You're welcome. Alright. What about I don't mean to cut you off, but we have Roger, I don't mean to cut people off, but we got limited time. And when they go off on a tangent on a question, then I, you know, I apologize. I don't mean to be short with anybody. It's just that we've got limited time, and I just wanna get I totally agree.
[01:40:11] Unknown:
I totally agree.
[01:40:12] Unknown:
So You're welcome, Larry. Was there a guy? Was there a guy? A lot of people try to drag it out and and think they're adding something to that question when it's not necessary.
[01:40:21] Unknown:
So that's all. So I I could have broken and said fraudulent conveyance is the only way, and that may not apply. In your case, it depends on when you set the trust up and when they started coming after you. Who Yes. Exactly. About the guy with his hands up, Richard?
[01:40:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a second. I will cover that fraudulent remains real quick. A lot of people will get a lawsuit, and then they start scrambling to transfer property into somebody else's name. It's too late. If you do that, it's actually can be considered in some states a felony, and it's fraudulent conveyance of property. Yep. Now let's go a little further on that. If, if you're looking at filing a bankruptcy and say within a year, you're transferring stuff into a prop or into a trust, you know, then, then it could be sent let me back up and say that correctly.
It could be seen as fraudulent conveyance of property and they could try to bust that trust. Yep. So a lot of it has to do with the timing and the intent. Same thing if if you think that you might need help with, long term care, like in a nursing home. Well, the only way the the way the government set up is if if you're going to have any assistance from the government to pay those ridiculous monthly amounts for long term care, you have to be totally indigent before the state and the feds will pay any money to the nursing home. So you want to, you want to transfer any property into a trust as soon as possible because they look back three years and they're looking like they may extend that to five years. So they're gonna go back five years and go, oh, well, you transferred this property into a trust. Yeah. And we're not gonna provide you any assistance until you, you know, use all your assets, including what you put in the trust.
Yeah. So you wanna get your stuff in a trust as soon as possible, my opinion. So, anyway, I yield. Estate planning services.
[01:42:26] Unknown:
Now what about this we had a hand up. I'm very,
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anal about it. Rich? Yeah. That was Rich. Are you there?
[01:42:34] Unknown:
Hi, Mark. It's Rich. Can you hear me? Yeah. Rich. Go ahead. How you doing, Rich? Yes. I kinda came in kinda late on on the on the show. I I have a question. I'm, I just sent it, I just sent another check to the IRS, based upon, it's called the Thrift Savings Plan. When I was a, government employee, which I'm not anymore, I withdrew I did an early withdrawal on that TSP, two different occasions. Yeah. And now I'm now I'm, I'm sending them funds, to, I guess, cover the fines and penalties for the early withdrawals. But the only thing is, I I haven't filed since '20, I guess, 2018.
So, now I'm trying to, send them evidence of, you know, why why am I, sent them money? But then, I I sent them money that, I don't think I should've send them based upon a conversation I've had with the Thrift Savings Board. I told them if you're gonna when you send me my my check for my early withdrawal with withhold those penalties and, so I won't have to deal with the IRS, but apparently, they didn't or the IRS just, you know, wants to, inquire on me.
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Not Are you a national?
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You forgot the very most important part, Richard. Are you a national?
[01:44:29] Unknown:
Yes, sir. As a matter of, as a matter of fact, since '20, '22. But but, Mark, also, I, you know, based upon the years that I've been listening to, you and, Ralph and and, Roger Right. In 1987, when I filled out my first passport application, I was a soldier over in Europe.
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Uh-huh.
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And the paperwork that I filled out, it was a 1746 1, and I I've said on that passport without The United States. And so it kind of explains why I think when I got back to The States, they told me that I had to, fill out another form that said within The United States.
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Oh, no kidding.
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There's some trickery there somewhere.
[01:45:44] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Because they're talking politically, not geographically.
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Right. So so honest to god, even though my passports have all expired years ago, and I and I still have my my two passports. And one of them, you know, based upon all these conversations that we've all been having for all these years, I have, my latest passport, which has expired past its, you know, fifteen years or whatever, but, it had three stars on it.
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Well, that doesn't doesn't matter. Doesn't what matters is what's in the possession of the secretary. It doesn't matter what stars. It doesn't matter anything else. And you put your affidavit in the application package. That's what matters.
[01:46:36] Unknown:
Okay. So, I was I was considering or thinking, and I don't know what, what's your opinion on this? Should I, put that, eight, USC, seventeen forty six dash one on all my correspondence.
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What? Without The United States?
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Yes.
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Yeah. I would. You've got an affidavit on file. You're politically outside of her. Why wouldn't that apply to you?
[01:47:09] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. It was something I kinda
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was thinking about. So Well, Rich, I'm a little confused. When when did you have these withdrawals from the ESP?
[01:47:24] Unknown:
Good question. I don't remember. I've done it at Was it
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twice. Was it prior to 2022?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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So
[01:47:37] Unknown:
So I I guess I don't really quite understand your initial question. If you had if you had taxes paid on that and you weren't a national, then, you know, short of amending your 2021 return, which would be due by by April 15 next month, then really, there's not a whole lot you can do about it.
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Okay.
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So so now what they're doing is they keep on they keep on sending me all this,
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you know, you haven't filed for this year. You haven't filed for this year. Well, have you have you sent them your, your notice of being a national and a revocation of election?
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No. These are probably years before he follows affidavits, my guess. Those are if if a rich does it say, dear rich, we haven't received your tax return for the year 2017 and 2018. If you've submitted, returns for this, disregard this message. If not, we might ask you to come in and bring in some of your books and records. Something to that effect?
[01:48:44] Unknown:
Yes. You still haven't filed your 2019, October.
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Okay. And, now what this is, what John let me tell you what John thought this is. This is what's called a, now I can't think of it, a confirmatory writing. Indeed. Mark, are you familiar with this?
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No. I'm not.
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Okay. Well, it this is what we're getting some kind of weird noise on Rich. Is it Rich's phone or what? We're getting feedback from your speaker.
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Are you on a are you on a
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speakerphone or on your computer?
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Some kind of weird noise.
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We're getting feedback from your speakers. It's a dog barking.
[01:49:29] Unknown:
No. No. It's not a dog barking. No. No. It's feedback. Getting.
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Mute yourself, Rich. The volume.
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If you have a How about now?
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So it sounds much better. Alright. Sounds like you guys are flying with a flock of seagulls.
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Sure. Okay, Rich. Let talk again, Rich. Say something.
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Yeah. It, yeah. Show the chest. I was just curious the whole extent. Okay. Anything. Hold
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on. John thought that what how many of those have you gotten? When did you get them?
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I've got them all the way to 2019 all the way back to 2019.
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No. No. No. Recently, when did you get those? When did you receive the mailing? Oh, just well, the one that I just took action on
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was, just in, January.
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Okay. What John thought these were, Mark, is called a confirmatory writing. A confirmatory writing is one of these specialty contracts in the UCC, exactly the same area that a Jewish sheatar is, a gen 40 form. And his suspicion was if you it says, it's a writing between merchants where both merchants are understood to understand the contents of the writing. And if it's not rejected in ten days, it's considered accepted. So this is how they get you in a contract at the front end of a failure to file when you haven't filed a ten forty contract. Because now they've got to it's making a mandatory system out of a voluntary system.
And this is the it's all you're never gonna get them to admit this, but that this is the way they get and take the process down to where they stop the computer because you don't have a returns filed. The per the computer's programmed correctly. It won't let the process proceed until the 10:40 shows up. And so they use push code o nine, and that's where they put the sort of substitute for return or dummy return in. Now the computer sees a ten forty. Even though you didn't file it, they've got you in a contract at the front end. At the front end is their plausible deniability, and it goes on to assessment and collections.
So with I don't know. So that's fine. That. But that is what John thought this was, and I've never seen anything that he thought was not turn out to be. Now who is about to say something?
[01:52:33] Unknown:
Wow. Is it Rich? May I? Oh, hold on a second. Hold on. Also, Rich, if you listen to Ralph Winter Road, all of that is internal housekeeping by the IRS. It's really not designed to apply for to the public. So you could do a a combination of things in a response letter, but, you know, this is one of those that if it's a confirmatory, writing such as Roger just described, you know, I would be rebutting that. I'd be filing a excuse me. I'd be mailing them a letter by certified mail rebutting that presumption.
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Now I had a guy that got ahold of me at the email and wanted to differ with me on this point. He said, well, this is what it says. I don't think that's right and this, that, and the other. And I said, look, man. I don't I don't know. I'm teaching you what John Benson I learned from John Benson, and I I qualified that when I told you. Okay? Right. But can you think of any other way to get you into a obligation at the front end of a voluntary system? When you think of it, let me know, and we'll talk about it. Of course, never heard from them again.
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Right. Right.
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But that's one of these Does that help? Tricks. I guess all this tax stuff is coming because we're getting so close to, April. The real Two weeks away. Right. Two weeks away. Yeah. I'm just like Can I have a proper suggestion on the, the, label of today's show be USS Liberty and Odd Tax Circumstances Day?
[01:54:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I can do that. Alright. Good man.
[01:54:14] Unknown:
Mark? Julie, I'm sorry. Well, how could we ignore you? Yeah. Yes, ma'am.
[01:54:18] Unknown:
Hi. Hi, everybody. I hope you're having a nice Saturday. Hey, Mark. Today when you were talking to Michael, you used two terms. One was you said US source, and the second thing you said to him was U. S. Federal source. So you and I were talking recently on this situation I have in DC with rental properties where I own houses and I have people paying me income. And I was trying to ask you if I owe taxes on rental property and you were like, it's a US source, but then today you use US federal source. What's the difference between the two?
[01:54:54] Unknown:
There isn't. That's I'm basically saying the same thing.
[01:54:58] Unknown:
Oh, they're the same thing? Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. And, Julie, let let me stop right there for a second for everybody. This is why I teach concepts Because they'll do crap like this may be label or we mix it up or whatever. But if you really understand the concept, you don't get messed up like that. Don't let them fool you with labels. I think that's why our whole Patriot community has been so ineffective for so many years is they have little tricks like this that they apply. Go ahead. I just wanted to insert that. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you. So, Mark, do you I know you and I have spoken recently. Do
[01:55:43] Unknown:
Not the tenants, but whatever you receive from that government agency. The housing authority that's paying you, if it's coming if you're getting paid directly from the housing authority, then There's tax owed. I believe there's a tax owed on it, and that's from inside the District Of Columbia.
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Now and and that's not And it's a US and it's a US agency. So you not only got geographic, you've got political.
[01:56:10] Unknown:
Exactly. Now if that was a nongovernmental organization, then I would say no, it's not taxable. Or if it's the actual renter who's paying you, that's their income being paid to you, I would say that's not taxable. But if it's coming from a US government agency, such as this housing authority, I believe it's taxable. They're inside the District of Columbia. District of Columbia is under the control of the US government. It is. I mean, they even hire their police there. It's it's really a messed up deal. So Right. I mean, that is that is what we identify as The United States, quote, corporate government Yeah. Is inside the District Of Columbia.
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Yeah. And the head of the whole 10 miles is the speaker of the house.
[01:57:03] Unknown:
Right. But wouldn't you think, Mark, that if this were and I I need to figure out if the district if the just District of Columbia Housing Authority is an actual government agency. I believe that
[01:57:15] Unknown:
It is. It is. It is the government.
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But how would you know that was .org?
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It doesn't matter. It is the federal government. .Org. It's not .gov.
[01:57:28] Unknown:
I don't have an answer for why they registered as a .org, but when I go and look it up not. When I look it up, it says it's a independent government agency, and it is not a nongovernmental organization.
[01:57:41] Unknown:
Okay. It's not a state. My It's not a state. Though. And it's where the federal government is housed, but it's not the federal government. But the federal government, controls it.
[01:57:54] Unknown:
Okay. So that is my first question. My second question is okay. So you I owe I would I would I have $10.99, which is gross income. But when I deduct all of my lawful expenses from that $10.99, it falls way below the filing guideline on what I need to do
[01:58:16] Unknown:
as a as a national. Works. Julie, that's not how that works. It only when you talk about fall below the guidelines, the the government doesn't know that. The IRS doesn't know that. You have to show your deductions.
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Right.
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You still have to show it. If you've got if you've got income that is above I'm talking about gross income. If you've got gross income that is above the requirements for not filing, then you gotta file and show what your exemptions are.
[01:58:46] Unknown:
Okay. So file and show exemptions. And when I file, I only need to file US federal source income. Like, for example, if I have a ten ninety nine from a Virginia, based company that is not located within that is not US source income, that not need to be included. No. No. That's not how this works.
[01:59:12] Unknown:
A ten ninety nine in your name is gonna have to be reported at this point because you've got you've got income that is exempt and you've got income that is not exempt. And you're gonna have to show both of those. That's the way I see it.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
Okay. And then, my last question is you mentioned title eight before. What were those two sections?
[01:59:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a second. Let's let the whistleblower finish. Let Paul wrap this up, and then I'll cover that.
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Paul, remember, unusual tax circumstances day. USS Liberty and okay. So thank you. Did turn out into a whole tax,
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program for the most part. Not always the most listenable. Hope hope you weren't a new listener. If you were, you're probably long gone. Anyway,
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we need to schedule. Should it be next Saturday? Next Saturday would be the let's do the whole I'll give you John and Glenn's tax information next Saturday. Okay? That sound alright for everybody? Julie, did you know about
[02:00:23] Unknown:
well, yes. We we should probably mention this program is not in Thanks, Roger. Provide any financial advice. Listeners are urged to consult their own local professional before acting on any information presented here.
[02:00:39] Unknown:
No. So, you know, I'm a national. I can tell them what whatever I would damn feel want to, and they can't come after me. So up yours, bastards. And next Saturday, I'm gonna expose your whole scam all the way back to its origin in December. And we'll go over the whole way it developed, what it is, all these things. And so invite your neighbors. I mean, it ought to be a very topical program next Saturday. See you then, and y'all have a good weekend.
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Okay. Thank you. And so, Mark
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I wanna ask you something else. Did you know about the Liberty before today?
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Yes. I did. I knew the whole story. I watched the whole entire two hour, documentary on rumble rumble, and I was so I was seething. I I was foaming at the brain. Yeah. At the mouth. When was that? Couple of years ago? In the last couple of years? I think it was in the last year or so. It was just horrible, and it was the actual whistleblower that you were talking about today who told the whole entire story. And it was just so but nothing surprises me in this world anymore. It's just utter
[02:01:52] Unknown:
evil. It's amazing. These guys are amazingly evil. Alright. I'll butt out. Go whatever you were gonna ask, Mark.
[02:02:00] Unknown:
I wanna let other people have a chance to ask questions, since you're in high demand, Mark, for your genius brain. So in title eight, you mentioned two sections. What were those sections before? Yeah.
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Okay. You would go to 26 US code section eight seventy one b as in bravo.
[02:02:25] Unknown:
Okay. But I thought you mentioned something before, like a title eight before also when we were talking about Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This this is one that when I first started listening to Roger, he pointed out that eight,
[02:02:39] Unknown:
it's title eight, of the Code of Federal Regulations CFR 1.1-one A21. I'm sorry, a one. Very first paragraph in this, code of federal regulation talks about who has to pay an income tax. And it's a tax on income of every individual who's a citizen or resident of The United States and to the extent provided by sections eight seventy one b or eight seventy seven b on the income of nonresident alien individuals.
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That's not title eight. That's title 26.
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I'm sorry. 26. You're right. You're right. I was looking at the wrong one.
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But 26 c four. This is so easy. You know, there's a fruit down here, and it's called guanabana. And it's starts with g this long day and it's wonderful fruit. And it's but it's hard for gringos when you get down here to be able to say it for one thing and ask for it. So when Scott was here, our buddy Scott that lives in The Philippines now, he was here for a while and he we're in there one day. He says, let me show tell you how you'll never forget that. Anyway, you know that little And you'll never forget it. And I think you can take that same principle and apply it here.
[02:04:14] Unknown:
Yep. When you first said guanamida, that's the first thing that popped in my head. It was first thing before you explained it. Yes. It really
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anti cancer, properties evidently. But it looks like a big green pine pineapple, almost.
[02:04:33] Unknown:
Now, Julie, sorry to interrupt on a fruit tour here. That's okay. That's okay. No. I thought, Mark, that you had mentioned something before. I understand that the title of 26 US code 871877 b and the CFR one dot one dash one a. I understand that. I thought there was something else that you, mentioned before related to taxes, and it was title eight, I think.
[02:04:57] Unknown:
Okay. That was title eight of, USC 11 o one was the definition of a national. I think that's what I was if I said eight, I may have misspoke. But earlier when, lady Linda Louise was talking, she referenced that 11 o one twenty one, and it's actually 11 o one a 21. There's a paragraph a that that that, definition falls under. And that's title eight? Yes. Title eight. Mhmm. Okay. USC 11 o one and then parenthesis a and another parenthesis the number 21
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is the And they couldn't hide it. And they couldn't hide it any deeper than that. Do you understand?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay. That's really been a point of contention. But with the 1940 Webster's University's dictionary and some of the dictionaries that follow that Congress actually uses on the floor of Congress in 1940, it talks about, and I shared that on the show here a while back, that those are the independent lowercase estates that make up the union of The United States Of America.
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Of the capital. Legitimate.
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Yeah. No. No. This is lowercase
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estates. Right? Right. If I'm if I recall correct.
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Yes. But they collectively kind of make up a sense for the big one,
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the big capital letters. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, it's
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like an umbrella.
[02:06:44] Unknown:
Right. Right. And and Cornell law, when you when you look at that paragraph 21 or excuse me, that that definition for 21 about the national, it shows us a lowercase s state. If you click on that, it gives you the upper case s state, which is the federal version of the state, and they have it wrong. They absolutely have that definition wrong for state on Cornell law. Really? Yes. Yes.
[02:07:17] Unknown:
Well Hey, Roger. Well, listen. There's Bob. Two days in. You're welcome, miss Julie. Yeah. Hi, Mike.
[02:07:26] Unknown:
You're welcome, Julie.
[02:07:29] Unknown:
Yeah. To interject here on The US Liberty, I didn't catch the first of the show, but you probably recall that true news, Rick Wiles and company did a Yeah. Expansive interview with survivors and a lot of research. This is, like, four, five, six years ago before a lot of the guys had passed on. And I think it's four CD set. It's like four hours and something long. It's exceptionally good, very well researched, and it's called Sacrificing Liberty. Sacrificing
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Liberty. And it's Right. An exceptionally good project.
[02:08:07] Unknown:
Do they charge for that? You you contact TrueDudes? Yes.
[02:08:12] Unknown:
Yes. It's it's something you pay for, but I think there's some pirated copies running around, but, you know, they're worth they're worth supporting. They don't like the same people we don't.
[02:08:21] Unknown:
I'd I'd I'd say support Rick Wiles if he's put that work in. And I think the thank you, Bob, for pointing that out. I do like them. I don't look at them probably as much as I should. But, hey, Joan. What you got, sweetie?
[02:08:38] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, Bob. Hey, Roger. Let us know when Alex Jones has Trump and Musk on talking about what they're gonna do about Israel attacking American sailors on the USS Liberty. Let us know. We got
[02:08:54] Unknown:
I'll call a special program to announce that. Yeah. Thank you. But the more pressures put on, like, I guarantee you, the people from Trump and the White House watch Infowars. They watch all of it. And they're seeing these things. And Owen and Harrison are both really pressing the issue, if you will. Alex still, yes, no, this, that, and the other, and and and switches vacillates a bit. But, the other two are pretty well firm in the let's expose this. The younger generation, whatever the generation is or they've labeled it, they are not in favor of Israel. And that was a lot of the backlash on TikTok when they wanted TikTok banned. It you know, Greg, Trump wanted it banned back when first time around, and that's controversial, but it's grown. And what caused them to ban TikTok, and I mean quickly, when it came out was that the young people were seeing all this stuff in Gaza and were becoming anti Israeli.
But I said I forget what the statistic that the guy from the ADL put out. Like, fifteen minutes on TikTok is two degrees antisemitism or something. But that's when they came in there and put some kind of content scrolls on that. They are hyper sensitive of anything coming out bad right now, And it's pretty getting pretty obvious, quite frankly. And so the more things like Owen's interview with this, the the guy Phil, and and the part, the new part of the Infowars audience because they're they're gaining a lot of listeners, folks, that they never had before every day. We're all growing.
Okay? So, anyway, that that that's what I like is the silent pressure on these people. Except for I'll get it down off my soapbox.
[02:11:03] Unknown:
Whoever else got some It's Chris from California. Hey, Chris. It's Chris from California. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering, Mark, how can I get in touch with you?
[02:11:15] Unknown:
My email that most people reaching through is straw man, s t r a w m a n, just like it sounds, all one word, strawman@mark,allcaps,.com. That's m a r k a l l c a p s dot com, and it does not have to be capitalized.
[02:11:41] Unknown:
Got it. Thank you. You're welcome.
[02:11:45] Unknown:
Okay. So anybody else got anything for me? I think I might go start my weekend, my abbreviated weekend here.
[02:11:52] Unknown:
Yep. Roger, the that that piece that, True News did on the Liberty really gets into the human toll they put on these guys after. I mean, they did for secrecy, they had the crew retrieve the crew out of that ship's spalls after they got it back in port. Those guys had to pick up the pieces of their buddies, you know, instead of having somebody else do it Right. Who wouldn't have been associated with these men. They just for secrecy reasons, and then they scattered them to the wind after it was all over.
[02:12:37] Unknown:
Yes. So sorry for my outward vigilante attitude on these bastards. I really hate them. There's no way to deal with them except the way they prescribe, and you know what I'm talking about. So, anyway, that's my feelings. Many years of study. Yes.
[02:12:59] Unknown:
Sketch. We should yes. I think next year, we should, Candace Owens Van, semi of the year this year. But next year, I think we should
[02:13:11] Unknown:
send emails to the ADL and and Yeah. Well, they won't they won't name us. They won't name us, buddy. But let me tell you what. That is an idea that's been in the back of my mind here lately is to reach out to Kansas Owens and say, you wanna see how they use your people to enslave everybody? You think this information might piss her off a bit?
[02:13:33] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Really? That's a great idea, Roger.
[02:13:37] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Real quick before you go. Yesterday on the local news channel, they were talking to some, students who've been, who were protesting the the Palestinian conflict over there. Right. And, well, really ethnic cleansing the state of Israel is conducting on the Palestinians. They're just murders. And amazingly enough, she says, we're not anti Semitic. We're anti Zionist. And I've fell Yes. Fell out of my chair because he's the only one that I've ever heard say that.
[02:14:14] Unknown:
Identify them where you can identify them and call them away from the Jewish people. That's hard why we use that term, parasite, is because Yeah. They they run and jump behind their mama's skirt every time. Well, here, we're gonna isolate you out and identify you, and you ain't got nowhere to hide, and that's Pharisee. Right.
[02:14:38] Unknown:
You know? And and that's where, you know, the Bible talks about the wheat and the tares, and they talk about the fake Jews. So we're not talking about the true Hebrew Israelites that that are the apple of God's eye. We're talking about the the fake Jew Zionists that have infiltrated and co oped that entire, I know, I won't say community, but that religion and that group of people that Let me see. Let let me help you.
[02:15:09] Unknown:
Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political movement masquerading as a religion.
[02:15:19] Unknown:
Nice. Nice.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Break the yes, sir, Bob.
[02:15:25] Unknown:
I had to chuckle there a couple days ago. You were talking about oh, and by the way, Mark, that's exceptional hearing that somebody in this younger generation is coming in with the idea that they understand Zionist versus Jew or anti Semitism. And in that anti Semitism, you know, we've we've heard the idea that antisemitism doesn't mean somebody that hates Jews. It's somebody that Jews hate. Yeah. Yeah. And when you were saying that so, Brian. They were having some they were having some okay. So, Brian, they were having that conference, you know, and you were commenting on the fact that there was they had to cancel it because there were too many people that were anti Semitic.
And I think that, well, why did they invite people they don't like?
[02:16:08] Unknown:
Yes. That's fine. There what what what was his other one? He had two that were really good, that being one of them. What was his first name, Victor? Joseph Sobram.
[02:16:20] Unknown:
Joseph. There you go.
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Antisemitism is not who who hate Jews. An antisemitism is not someone who hates Jews. It's someone who Jews hate.
[02:16:31] Unknown:
And, that was the other one.
[02:16:33] Unknown:
It's so good. Anyway, I can't think of it. You guys have a great weekend. Bob, the last couple of times you're talking to us, you're crystal clear. Are you you're not out in the field. You're at home?
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No. I'm on an old flip four g phone out in the middle of the woods.
[02:16:51] Unknown:
And it works better than my other phone. Well, it's a the fidelity on it's excellent compared to usual. So
[02:16:59] Unknown:
keep on If this was made in Japan, that's probably better than the ones made in China. How's that? Probably.
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Could be. Probably. So, thank you for joining us today. I'm damn sure you were along today. It's been a long show because, you you bring a lot of valuable additional assets to the table and to the group here. I'm very Thank you, Roger. I try. I'm not perfect, but, you know, I'm sure I'm trying my best. We're all growing together. It's and we're a team, and I try and, you know, structure it that way. And most of the time, it operates that way. But, anyway, Paul, you don't forget the label, and, I'll see y'all on Monday. We'll see what the hell happens over the weekend, I guess.
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Prayers and blessings
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to you. Thank you, mister Sketch. See you Monday morning.
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Bye. See you, Mark. Thanks, man. Bye bye, Roger. Talk to you later. Bye bye.
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And so It's a trick. It is. We always use it.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's a trick. We always use it. Alright. That's Yeah. Hold on. Cool. Edition of the Radio Ranch, with Roger Sales. And today's guest host, Mark in all caps, Stromion, yeah, @Mark,allcaps,.com, is his email address. Not that he needs any more emails. He gets plenty like me. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. And for more information on the topics discussed, go to the matrixdocs.com, and, you can find interviews, downloadable resources, links, exhibits, a plethora of stuff, especially the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show and the links to eurofolkradio.com and Global Voice Radio Network. Thank you so much for being with us. We'll see you back here Monday when the first hour, John Kasarab cohosts with Roger.
And you really don't know what they could be talking about. It really could be anything. Thanks so much. I'm out of here. Have a great day. Bye now. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network. Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle. Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
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Yep. We would too. I'm gonna try another stab at it here for a couple hours on the Saturday weekend, half half the weekend edition anyway. So it is the March 29, it appears to be. Roger Sales, your host here on the Sabado edition as we like to call it, and, we're at the Radio Ranch. And all of you are the little Radio Ranchers. And, so welcome. I I'm pretty sure we're on a real abbreviated, list of other platforms today. And so Paul gets a little bit of a break. And, so he might take a couple of seconds here and identify him. Morning, Paul.
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Good morning. Yes. We're on a, a drastically abbreviated list of platforms. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James, and we're on Global Voice Radio Network, My Pet Project. Our website is thematrixdocs.com. Mhmm. We have a number of people joining us, using the free conference call conference system, and, the links for that are on the matrixdocs.com as well. Okay. So that's pretty much That's him.
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Pretty much us girls here today.
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Exactly.
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I was I know, Michael yesterday said I think Marg is Mark with us today. He's supposed to be usually here in the morning. He's in Saturday. There he is right there. He is. Well, somebody is already requesting to talk to you yesterday, so we'll get to that in a second, Michael, up there in Minnesota.
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Man. Is it gonna be Stump? Is it gonna be Stump the Strawman Day?
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I'm not sure about the category of the day, but some people may wanna step up. That that'd be a good that would be a good little bit to do every week, Stump the Strawman. We'll come up with some intro music and all that. Maybe something out of Wizard of Oz. Papi's will put them to sleep. I was just, watching the end of yesterday's Owen Shroyer show. I was trying to finish off, you know, the whole thing. And at the end yesterday, he did something that's pretty cool. I don't know if any of you saw it. The Phil Tierney, that name should ring a bell with some of you.
Some of you do not recognize it, I'm sure. He was the one of the engineers on the USS Liberty, which this isn't a Liberty time of year, generally. That was June. But, Owen has gotten to him, and it's very interesting because, you know, I'm I really watch Infowars a lot for just I like I really, I really like Harrison and Owen. And, anything that is going to be breaking or whatever is probably gonna hit first on Infowars. So that's why I watch it over there. I get mad at Alex and PO'd at him like yesterday when he had, who is the guy from Overstock, who's got an incredible story. He had him on it. You know? And I don't think it's anything intentional. It's just something that goes with his personality nature, but he just can't let somebody finish his image.
And somebody's got this great great guess on. I mean, there's nobody else that has people like Max Boot on. Do you know Max Boot is by any chance, Martin? I'm not familiar with that name. Well, he was a, big time Russian arms dealer that got busted, and he was in our prison system for ten years. And they traded him for that trans trans basketball player here a couple of years ago in a a prisoner exchange. Yeah. You know, a notorious arms dealer for a trans basketball player. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fair trade. Anyway, when he was in jail over here in The US, he the local radio station where he was, I don't know what facility he was in, they, carried Alex. So he listened to Alex all the time. So after he gets released, he's over there. He speaks a little bit of English and comes on out. He's been on a couple of times. Anybody else seen Max Boot anywhere? No. You know? Do dirt and I can't think the guy pronounce the guy's name. It starts with a d.
He's like Putin's closest adviser. They blew up his daughter couple years ago. They thought they're blowing up him in a car, and his daughter and him switched cars. He blew up his daughter. I mean, that's who these creeps are. And, but he's Putin's closest adviser. I've seen him on over there on Alex a couple of times. Nobody else has got him on. So those are examples why I say that. Now I get mad as hell at Alex when I'm sitting here watching Brings these people on. Nobody has it all else on, and and they're they're they're literally world class guests. And Alex continues to step on them. You know, they're about to say something and he oh, yeah. Blah blah blah. And he comes in there with all his crap, and, they're not rude to say shut up. I did see one of them the other day say just hold on, Alex Sarafin.
And, but, anyway, all that aside, that's where you're gonna see the those kind of guests, and that's the kind of info I want. You know? So that's why I watch it over there and put up with him and yell at the monitor. Shut up, Alex, and all that. Well, anyway, he he one thing about Alex is is he's got those tendencies, which in Yeah. You gotta give him a little leeway, you know, really.
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But, he Well, they should have somebody else do the interview. Well, they
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that'd be great to have Owen, and they do for, put them off on Owen and Harrison sometimes. But, anyway, that's just my personal thing. I know a lot of other people don't like that too. And I, Alex knows that I wish he'd take, heed of it. But regardless of all that, it's a real cutting edge place. And and, he has what I really want to get to. He's got a great gut judge of talent. I mean, Chase Geyser, Harrison, I wonder. He has really hit three three three home runs there. Okay? Yeah. So that's, got a good part of that. Yeah. David Knight.
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Right? David Knight? Show, and and David Knight was awesome. But, Yes. He he knew he was critical of Trump, and that's the reason why why, Alex firing. Alex let him go. Yeah. Yeah. So he's got his own show on Rumble. It's Dave the David Knight show. Highly recommended if you want a little bit of a opposite side of all the, you know, you know, glorifying Trump. Well, now you get a little, the other side. And here's what I appreciate about David and I. He's giving you facts, and he's not just saying, oh, Trump's a Nazi. He's saying Right. I don't agree with Trump because he's done this, he's done that, he's done this.
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Mhmm. And so it's a, you know, it's a opposite view, and and I appreciate that. Well, I do too, and he's also quite professional. I think he must have had some broadcast, stuff in his background. Regardless, I was just gonna say that Alex is a real good judge of talent. Yeah. Excuse me. So today, watching yesterday, and, of course, the end of the month over there for Owen and on the last Friday of the month, he always has a Veterans Day. And so a bunch of people are calling in, and he has gotten Phil Tierney, who I think lives in Texas. Now, Mark, you you know who Phil Tierney is. I'm I'm pretty sure, was one he's one of the survivors of the USS Liberty.
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I did not know that. I I caught I was starting to watch Owen, and then I switched to Harrison because he was, you know, making it all veteran type thing. But Yeah. I didn't hear him mention that that that Phil Tierney was the survivor of the Liberty,
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the USS Lee. Now he aired about half of that in what I'm watching here this morning. But the whole interview's over on band.video. And I would imagine there's probably some new people in the audience that don't know this story. I mean, they have kept this really tight under wraps for well, I it happened in 1967 or '8. So that's how long it's a long time. Fifty years. You know? Yep. Sixty, actually, almost. Regardless, he's got Tourney on. Tourney looks real good. You know, a lot of the members of the Liberty are gone. McGonagall, who is the captain and all that. And for, the do you do you remember here when you were young, Mark, you remember hearing about the Pueblo with, captain Booker, the one that got, what do you Shanghai over there with by the Koreans?
No. Some of y'all remember. You don't remember that? Kinda before my time. Okay. Well, that was the Pueblo in Bucher, and it was on the news every damn night. Well, the Pueblo was the sister ship to the Liberty. And it goes through this, and they never even mention it. K. So, those are the only two. They're real sophisticated spy ships. They could say he was just telling, oh, and he said, we could pin We could take a laser and send a bounce it off the moon and have it at in NASA or where wherever, NSA, in three seconds back in the sixties. K? Wow. So it's worth watching if you don't know this story, because it really exposes our pals.
Man, they have desperately tried to, tried to knock this down. So this is what happens here this morning. Is he's Owen's taken calls yesterday. Right. Veterans all veterans. And, the last callers are navy guy that calls in from the Midwest somewhere. His father, it turns out, and he's telling the story. He says, well, my dad, who's this great guy and this, that, and the other, praises his father. And he was a medic on a submarine that was in the area called the USS Amberjack. And they witnessed the whole thing and took pictures, by the way. And I've never heard this before today. K? And so then, Owen goes, well, that's it. And we talk about that in this documentary. What a unbelievable coincidence.
The son of one of the the medic on this submarine that was there and witnessed the whole thing. Wow. And so the submarine, plugged off, and I think the Liberty too. I'm not sure if they shadowed them or not, but the submarine went to Malta. And he said, my dad who's so brave and this, that, and the other. And the CIA come on board and took all the the photographs that anybody had and and said, if any of you ever speak against, about this, the rest of your lives will throw you in jail and strip you your pension pensions.
And so the son says, look, I've talked to a whole bunch of the guys over the years from the Liberty, and they all are trying to get my dad to write this down. And he won't do it. He's scared he's gonna take they're gonna take his pension.
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Oh, wow.
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Wow. Well, it might be one of those that after he passes away, maybe, you know, they ought to be writing it down. But, you know, once he passes away, they publish it. Well Roger, for the listeners, not everybody knows what what the USS Liberty was about. Can you just briefly describe that? I mean, that's what got us into the Vietnam War, wasn't it? Well, it wasn't. I don't know that got us into the Vietnam War, but this is what they were trying to do. And it was evidently, as Tourney was saying, it was,
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we were fully embedded in Vietnam by '67. And, he he he said it was planned a year in advance at least from some of the logistics and the things that he was going over talking with Owen. If you're not familiar with this, you really ought to go over band.video and dig that up and get the whole story from one of the last survivors of this incident. They were normally on the West Coast Of Africa, and they were a spy ship. Plain and simple. K? And they were on the West Coast Of Africa, and all of a sudden, they get these orders that said they you said that they were letting guys off offshore leave on the beach and this, that, and the other. And they got orders and said, get your butt over here to the Road of Spain. And if you can't get those guys up off a shore, leave leave them. Boy, that's unusual.
Okay. So said if you can't get them off shore, leave leave them. And, so they high assed around up the up the West Coast Of Africa. They're gonna get a cup of coffee. And they ended up in Ruta, Spain, which is a big base over there. And, they, took on some translators, one, marine translators. He said one of them I've never heard these details before this morning. One of them well, they're both marines. One of them was, Arabic, and the other maybe was Hebrew. Whatever. And then all of a sudden, man, they're just boom right in the Mediterranean heading east over to Satan's sandbox. And he said it was, he just said this a minute ago. That's why this this interview is so interesting because he's letting things out of details I've never heard before.
And I've heard on a lot of these guys interviewed over the years. Usually around, June 8, they bring them on different alt shows. But it's like the guy says, the alt media is so big now that everybody wants to talk with them. So this is getting a lot of exposure. Hopefully, it'll continue up to the June 8 date. So, anyway, he said they left route of Spain, and they were headed to, Satan's sandbox. And he said, in the Mediterranean, all the other ships in the Mediterranean were headed west, and they were headed east by themselves. And so they were 12 and a half miles off of the coast, international waters.
And, they're out there. It's a beautiful day. They had the biggest US flag, that that is in the inventory. Five by eight feet. They had brand new flag. They opened it that morning because all morning, the Israeli jets were flying over, and they'd wave at them. They said they flew so close you could wave at the at the pilot, and they'd wave back and they'd dip their wings and stuff. You know? Wow. And then all of a sudden, they turn around and start attacking them. Oh. And they were using heat seeking missiles. This is just about where I got when we went on the air. That's why I was so late, Paul. And, they were throwing out heat seeking missiles at the Liberty, and it was like the guy said, well, we were a spy ship. We had all kinds of antennas and stuff all over the boat, the ship. It's a ship. Floats like a boat. No. It's a ship.
And so the heat seeking missile missiles will pick up the heat off of those transmission wires. Wow. And so they were blowing all of the antenna, everything else they went after, all the doors that had seals on them. They were intentionally trying to sink the ship, so they could blame it on Egypt and bring everybody into World War three. This is all the way back in the sixties, folks. Sixty seven. And, so anyway, if you hear the rest of the attack, I didn't haven't heard what he had to say about it, but there was one guy. And I'm not I'm not sure if it was Phil or not.
There was one guy that was in the radio part of the ship, and he he found a broken wire, and he went out there and and and pasted it together, spliced it in, and they got their mayday messages off. K? That he's the only reason that ship didn't sink. They they they originally went after it with 50 caliber machine guns from the planes, and then they came back with torpedo boats and, torpedo, boats and planes. And they shot torpedoes after they'd strafed it for twenty five or more minutes. K. Killed a bunch of people, thirty, forty people, and they came back and laid in torpedoes.
And just by the grace of god, folks I mean, this is all god stuff. Gotta be. That torpedo hit the part of the boat where it had a rib coming down, and it didn't do enough damage to sink the boat. Only because it hit a rib and the other two torpedoes missed.
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That's amazing.
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These are our allies, and it's like he's going well, we thought these were our allies, man. We're waving at them. We feel good. We're out there, you know, doing stuff on deck. It's a beautiful day, and bam, all of a sudden, we're under attack. So this is the this is the wonderful Israeli US relationship here, our allies. So let me tell you the tell the rest of the story for those of you who may not the best I can remember. So, they, put on a Mayday call. They had, it was heard. But evidently, I and I never knew there was a submarine in the vicinity before today that was close enough to witness it and take pictures. It was called the hammer jack. Okay? So they got the mayday call out. Oh, by the way, guess who was over the Navy, Europe, Navy Europe when this happened that covered it up? You got a guess, Mark?
How about John McCain's father, the admiral?
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Oh,
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I was gonna say McNamara, but I don't know if it was Nope. John McCain's father was of navy over Europe. He was involved in this and helped to cover it up. Okay? And so, there's a good and and the the seed doesn't fall too far from the tree. And, so, anyway, they got that Mayday call out, and somebody called Johnson. It was the middle of the night in The US, and they called Johnson. And he was president, and he said, he said, let them sink that ship. I do not want to alienate a good ally. Let them sink the GD ship. I don't wanna lose a good ally. That was president Lyndon Baines Johnson, folks. Oh, I don't know. There. She's horrible.
So the ship was yeah. Hey, Tom. How are you doing, bud?
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Okay. Well, if you wanna you're gonna finish, go ahead. I'll wait.
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Well, I was just gonna say that that they called the ship. The ship had enough. It it was viable. It it wasn't gonna sink because the torpedo hit that rib and bounced off. Didn't explode it, but it still did damage, but it didn't blow the hole in the side that would have sunk the ship. The ship made it to port. I don't remember which port Tom might. It may have been it may have been either Malta or, Rue Rue Du, Spain. And, they, did the repairs on it. They brought everybody back that was alive and lived through it, and they told them the same thing they told the guy on the Amberjack. If you let one word of this get out, we'll you'll spend the rest of your life in Leavenworth, and we'll strip you of your pension. So that's why you've hardly never heard about it, k, all these years. Same threat, same crap that they use. And, they gave McGonagall, who was the captain, the medal of armor.
But the it's the only time in the history of our country that the medal of honor wasn't awarded at the White House in the Rose Garden. It was rewarded over at Virginia Beach at the close ceremony at the naval base there in Newport. That's about what I, what I know out of it. What Tom, what do you got to add?
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Also this is Brent. Hey, Hey, Brent. Also on that medal of honor
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Also on that medal of honor, it's the only non combat one ever given.
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Is that okay. I didn't know that. K. And it was not awarded at the White House. They have tried to squash this information for fifty years, folks. So, if you're not aware of this, and I'm sure there's probably some newbies in our audience that may not have, I would highly encourage you to go back and watch this interview. You can find it on band.video. It's gotta be close to the top there. This was just yesterday. And, watch the whole story out of one of the survivors' mouths. It's a ugly, ugly, another ugly side of these sorry ass bastards. Sorry.
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Tom, was that Tom earlier had something to add? Or or was that I thought that was Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Having being an ex navy, the easy way to remember it is a a ship flies and a boat sails. You can put a ship on a boat, but you can't put a boat on a ship.
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Yeah. So Floats like a boat. Yeah. And My dad my dad would say floats like a boat.
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Yeah. My dad was army air corps, and I was navy. So it's still kinda got the best of both worlds there. But even though I was mostly in Airedale, the only the only, the only boat I was ever on was the wooden, USS Never Sail on the tarmac of the, naval training center boot camp in Orlando. And I see. That was that was it as close I got to a ship. That
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sounds like pretty good going on with ocean. That sounds like pretty good shore leave to me there, Tom.
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Yeah. And, you know, it's funny that, I joined at 17, and my dad made a deal with our senator that if I enlisted at 17, that I would go to technical school because I had a technical background, you know, with electrician and stuff. So I go to boot camp and the day we we graduate and I get my orders and it's to be a fireman on the, USS Forrestal, speaking of McCain. Mhmm. It's the ship he almost sunk by, being a hot dog on the deck with, doing hot starts on in an a four.
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Of course, Forrestal was one of the guys that was blowing the whistle on this back in the forties, and they helped him, jump off the top of Bethesda Naval Hospital. Go ahead. So they named a boat after that.
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Yeah. So, so I called my dad. I said, do I gotta go to fireman school to become electrician? And he goes, what? I said, I got orders to the forestall to be a fireman. He says, you just stay right there. You don't leave. And, so he I guess he called the senator, and they called. And then the next day, I had new orders to, Jacksonville Naval Training Center to be a aviation electrician. Okay. Damn sure I didn't wanna be a fireman. I mean, that's okay. You know, I had fire I had fire training when I went to c school, but, never got a chance to use it. The only thing I learned was, if you're ever in a fire, hit the deck because they took us into this concrete building, and it and it was like you had to go left, right, left, right, left, right to get to the back, you know, have these wall partitions.
And, they took us back there. It's completely dark. You've got a respirator. And so the the, the the, the guy training us, but, I guess, he lights off a tear gas canister, and he says, okay. You take off your mask and, you know, recite your fifth general order and you can leave. And, they got to me and I was choking and I just couldn't stand it anymore. And I ran for the door and bam, hit the wall. It went around. Bam, hit the wall. By the time I got out, I was bleeding. And, when when we all got outside, we couldn't figure out, you know, how the hell was he talking to us and not choking, and we're all gagging and puking and everything else because he was sitting on the floor, and that's something he'll never forget if there's a fire Right. You know, on the to get on the floor.
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Yep. Yep. All goes up. That was a yep. Fun and games in the military. So if you if you got any young children and you wanna get them out of the graft in case we should get into any of this crap that's brewing, get an affidavit in. Go ahead.
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Yep. That's it. So, anyway, I'm glad to see you're still kicking, still doing well. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, man. We're hanging in. I'm listening during the week. I'm always listening. I just don't have a lot of time to, you know, jump in. But Right. I'm always listening on the, Global Voice. Well, we appreciate you. Do you hear those Ritz interviews? No. I didn't get a chance because I keep listening to stuff, and I I got I have the link she sent me, so I gotta get over and listen to them. But, you know, it's, Well probably everything you've taught us. And
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is he gonna bring you back? Well, no. I heard that the second one didn't wasn't really exciting as much as the first one. Well, I guess not because of something he'd said that I tried to adhere to, which said he wanted to learn. So I wanted to go into in a little bit of depth into some of these things. And and, I I don't know. Just I don't think he is an open mind as to what we're doing. He thinks everything's gonna fail, and there's no hope. And there's always hope. And, that shows me a little bit of lack of faith on his part, but that's who Jeff is, and I've been listening to him for years. I'm grateful that I was able to be on this program whether we get any response out of it or not. But I'm kinda surprised, and I've had to honestly go back and reevaluate his audience a little bit in my mind. So, anyway, that's just things I knew with. Maybe people would come later. You should have told them that, that you were out out, you know,
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relaxing, looking at the moonlight and a and a UFO landed and gave you an affidavit. Said here, take this. Here, take this take this to the secretary of state.
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Take this to your leader.
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Right. Yeah. To your leader.
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So yeah. Well, anyway, so be it. We got a little extra exposure, and, so, you know, I'm play I'm pleased. That was a big goal for me. I'm pleased I got on there. When I logged on here, it said there was about 50, people logged on. So that's a pretty good crowd. Well, yeah, for Saturday, not too bad. People taking their Saturday mornings out to be with us. Several of them got questions, and they're going, would you get all stop talking about all that crap and get to me where I can get to their question. And we'll try and do that. I just thought this liberty thing is so important.
It's such a well, yeah. It is just such an indictment on our you know, enemies, and they don't know. They can't deal with it. See? And anything we can do to expose these sorry bastards, because they've certainly got control of part of the Trump apparatus, it would appear. So these kind of things coming out on shows like Owen, where I know that people from the White House watch Infowars. Okay? They watch all the hosts. So that's good information, and, maybe some of them didn't know that either. Alright. What else? That was that's just really critical to get these people exposing what we do, plus it exposes them like what we do. You know, how we expose them.
Yes. Is that Samuel?
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Yeah. You know, some boats fly in the opening of the film, Raiders of the Lost Ark. You've got the China Clipper. I built that while I was at Lucas.
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Really? Okay. Yeah. So, again, it was a boat.
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The I see. The real one they had a real one in Richmond, which they could use for when people were boarding it, but it that one didn't fly, I guess. So we had to build a model of the China clipper. So I carved all the fuselages, wings, verticals. Really? Friend, made made the engines and detailed it and airbrushed it and then everything, and that's what we use to, do the flight scene.
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Wow. Cool. See there, we got some real no notorious people in our audience here. Thank you, Samuel. We had a Michael yesterday wanted to see if Mark will Mark be there tomorrow? I wanna ask him some questions, and I said, I'm pretty sure he would be, and he is. And so, Michael, if you're bated breath sitting there waiting to get on and talk to mister Mark, now is your time. Are you with us? I'm assuming tomorrow. I am here. I am. There you are. Hey, Michael. Morning.
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Good morning.
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Are you familiar with the I'm not much of it. Yeah. You for before you go on it, were you familiar with this Liberty incident? No. Please go back and watch. Find that video on band.video and watch this. All of you guys that aren't familiar with this need to be armed with this because if you're ever gonna come into anybody with this Israeli conversation, there's three incidents you really need to know about. USS Liberty is one of them. An incident called Die Er Yassin, d I e r. It's a it's a town, was a town, still is. Dier Second, Y A S S I N, Dier Yasin.
And the other one is the Lavon affair, l a v o n affair, where Israeli, terrorists tried to blow up buildings in Egypt, libraries and stuff, and blame it on on US to get Egypt and US into a war. So those are three things that they cannot counteract, three things that everybody needs to know about. Go ahead, Michael.
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Yeah. Mark?
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Yeah.
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Hello. I yeah. You you know, I'm self employed, sole proprietor. So how do you say that word? Sole proprietor.
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Right? There you go. Yep. Yes. Here you go.
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Okay. So I fill out my $10.40 NR, and I am struggling with the, on the OI, it says, are you a US citizen? Yes or no? And I've seen everybody say, were you ever I'm sorry. D one is were you ever
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a US citizen? That's a yes. Yes.
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Are is it is that a trap question? No. No. So you don't need that you per would say don't leave that blank. Answer it. No. No. Yeah. I would answer it. We've done it before and no issues come up. Okay. As and then did you ever file a US income tax return for any prior year? Is that a trap? Can I say No? Twenty twenty three ten forty?
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I'd say twenty twenty three ten forty. Do you not have a sample OI?
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I do have a sample. And the sample OI oh, I have it in front of me.
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Okay.
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K. And then, a little bit further down, the sample that I've OI says, the country on l one, it says United States Of capital a America, and then tax treaty article, you would say Burrows Haber versus Union Pacific Railway Company. And then the other one's treasure TD twenty three thirteen. And then the one we all know we talk about is a 26 CFR one dot one dot one dash one eight. Right. Okay. Correct. Is that okay. And then for the amount of exact income in a current tax year would be the l one d column. What the heck do I put in there for in in my case? The total the total amount of your gross income. Total amount I mean, what as for me being a farmer, gross checks for grain, livestock
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Well, hold on a lot. And Hold on. That's not what I said. Alright.
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Alright.
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Your income, the total amount of your income that you receive. Normally, most people would get a w two most people would get a w two or a ten ninety nine that shows the income that they receive. So you total that up because you're gonna send a copy of that in with your your ten forty and r. So you're I don't have a w two. Oh, okay. Well, if if you're if you don't have any income withheld, you are you trying to go for a refund? Do they do they I am
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yeah. Basically, all of 2024.
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Finish first. Let me ask the question. For 2024 last year, did you have any income taxes withheld?
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Not withheld, but I paid quarterly taxes not knowing what I was gonna do. Well, that's okay. Okay. So then what's your draft? Get your quarterly taxes. I'm trying to get my quarterly taxes, and then my understanding is I stopped filing.
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That's correct. This should be your last year to file unless you you're seeking some kind of refund.
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Or unless you're getting that refund. If you unless you got any of these dividends and stuff, which I trust you don't have. But if you do, then you file on that.
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Yep. I called my CPA and asked about those dividends, and she says they're really not dividends. They're like rebates with a comp my as I do business No. That's not true. And they they will pay, dividend. When I retire, I get a portion of that one at retirement. No. No. Let's
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let's let me let
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me clarify that really easily. I've held a a life insurance license, and life insurance dividends are not taxable because they're just a rebate of a partial overpayment of your monthly premium. Most people don't know that. And the IRS was trying to tax dividends paid on insurance policies. And the insurance company, they all went to court on this and they proved, and there was a decision made that income or dividends from insurance policies are not true dividends in the sense that they are just partial refunds of premium overpayments.
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And and my CPA
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So I don't know what your CPA thinks, but if you own hold on. If you own individual stocks that pay you dividends, that's not an that's not a return of an overpay.
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You're earning This is not what this is. Yeah.
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Right. You're you're you're holding stock, preferred stock that pays dividends. You could hold that for fifty years and it's gonna continue to pay you dividends as long as they're profits enough to pay dividends out. It's not an it's not an a return of an overpayment or it's not a partial return of overpayment. Your CPA does not know what they're talking about if that's what they told you.
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Yeah. From my understanding, this is not the $8.70 71 b dividends that she's
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trying to explain to me. I don't believe I have any of that. I don't know what she was trying to explain, but I I would say next time, be sure you're recording your phone call so you can play it back and take notes because Yeah. I mean, I I don't know why they're saying what they what you're telling me they said. They just I yeah. It's way out in left field to me.
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Have you heard of a $10.99 p a t r, like patronage dividend? But that's what I think that's what she
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Well, that's that's something totally different. If you get a dividend, you're gonna get a $10.99 dash DIV. David Indigo Victor. Yeah. For dividend. $10.99 dash DIV for dividend. I don't know what this patronage thing is. Did you get a ten ninety nine dash PAT?
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Yeah. Let me
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yeah. I got a p a ten ninety nine p a t r, which is taxable distributions received from cooperatives. Right. Right. That's what I got. That's not what you And she didn't put. Yeah. See, I don't understand. Right? I'm k. And she didn't even put she she put that in my schedule f as income, not in the k. Dividend
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Okay. Schedule. Here here's the thing. Why is your CPA doing your taxes this
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year? That because I didn't know what I was gonna I was paying my quarterly taxes. Okay. I didn't know what I was gonna do this year. I hear the rubber meets the road. I'm two weeks from April 15. I'm now I'm I know what I wanna do. Okay. And, you fill out the ten forty n r
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and you fill out the, the OI, schedule OI, they go together. Now we've had people not fill out the OI and their their tax return went through. We had other people who didn't use the OI and the IRS sent them a letter saying we need more information about your tax treaty and so forth, which they're basically asking the same information that's on the OI schedule. So I think it's just cut to the chase, provide them the schedule OI. It's not a big deal. It's a one page document and send that in with your ten forty n r. And you put down their tax payments. You put in all the taxes that you prepaid quarterly for the year.
And then all your ten ninety nines, any w twos, your total income that they show is what you put down as your tax exempt income. And then that should leave you that should leave you a refund balance of all the prepaid taxes that you sent in.
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What if I have it as It it doesn't What if I have What if I have a stack of ten ninety nines that don't even fit in a Manila envelope? Do they need all those copies? They they have a copy of they have all of those ten ninety nines on on file. All I can say is read the instructions.
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K. Read the instructions. What what does what does your CPA do? Did she previously just scan those in?
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Yeah. So you're telling me that she scans every ten ninety nine in? I don't know what she does. I don't know what your CPA does. I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. So you're saying the rules are every ten ninety nine should be attached to the ten forty n r? That's what the that's what the
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instructions say.
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Okay. Do I make a cover letter explaining?
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Well, you don't have to explain all your ten ninety nines. They know that. Okay.
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But they they They understand that my ten ninety nines are under that exempt of of one l one d.
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They understand why I've I've got a bunch of ten ninety nines. Well, there is a there is a cover letter that I normally put in with that. But this is this is for people that Roger and I have have helped, and they were willing to pay a a percentage of whatever was refunded to them. And then they get our our service. And if the if there's anything that comes back from the IRS, then we help them respond accordingly to it. So but, yes, I just put a cover letter on there saying enclosed is my is my ten forty n r and, and your ten ninety nines.
That's pretty much it. You're a national and not a US citizen.
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Yeah. Yeah. So your your I should scan there. Don't take what I what all those ten ninety nines I got mailed to me. I had to make scanned copies of them and keep those with me and put boy, that's gonna be a lot of
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Well, I don't know.
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Okay. Usually, you get a ten ninety nine. It's it's two copies or three copies. One for you Yep. One for the feds, and one for the state. Usually get three three copies. So I don't know how you receive yours, but, you know, all I know is if you read the instructions, they want copies, doesn't have to be the original, but the IRS wants copies of your ten ninety nine and w two. What about
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what about income I received? I never got ten ninety nine. All I've got are check deposits, and then I've got bank statements showing deposits. Do I give them bank statements?
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No. They're not giving them bank statements.
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All I give is So then how do I
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call them? Michael, here. Michael, can let me see if I can inject this. Michael, when they send those out, they've got one of these at their place, and they're asking you to send in a copy of what you got so they can match those.
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Exactly. Right. But what about I'm trying to be honest here. I may I made income that wasn't $10.99
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that I wanna be exempt from. Well, if it wasn't reported to them, they don't have a record of it.
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Right.
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But what if they do an audit and say, hey. There's this income that you claimed exam okay. Yeah. I know it's what if, but I know it's what if, but they're they stay mute till about maybe three years from now. They may there's a good possibility
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they won't be around in three years, but whatever.
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If I want I don't have any number down. That's Okay. Why? Let this Put put down what promise is best for you.
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Nobody promised you a rose garden here. K? I don't wanna sit here and argue. I'm not gonna sit here and argue and try to tell you one thing and you do the what if and I'll you know, I wanna be honest. Well, yeah, we're all honest. We're playing we're playing with our cards up. So if you normally if you're if you're your income from a source or interest payments are below $600, an institution isn't gonna bother sending you that. It's not being reported to the IRS. Now if you feel like it needs to be reported to the IRS, then by all means, put that down and account for it in some way, showing that that's what you receive.
And that's perfectly fine. There's not a problem with that. But I would make sure that whatever and see, as a national, you're exempt from all that. Even if they come back in three years and ask questions and want to do an audit. Whatever you show them, you're still exempt from it unless it falls under eight seventy one B as in bravo or section eight seventy seven B as in bravo. It has to come from with from a US source. That income has to come from a US government source.
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Outside of that, I have to come back and yeah. Go ahead. Have you ever heard the saying it's better to ask forgiveness than permission?
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. Okay. You it it's just that you're trying to come up with all these scenarios if you're gonna get burned. And I'm just saying if you're missing national, it's not necessary.
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And and those things you're conjuring up are more than likely. They they may happen in one in a trillion, but that's about the the chance that's gonna happen. First of all, the other thing is they don't wanna do anything, I don't believe, to bring this information into any kind of a forum where it could be spotlighted. They're scared to death of this. They're not gonna come back, especially over some trivial amount of funds, and come back and start dinging somebody like you where it could get brought into the local newspapers, etcetera, etcetera. That's my feeling. K?
Mhmm. So do you feel I know people are this is just evidence for how scared people are of the IRS. And and the fact that I'm This is flimsy. Flimsy ass little scam they got going that all hinges on one sentence on one piece of paper to one guy to all go away. They know that. They wanna scare you where you'll never stick your head up and ask a question. Never.
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Yeah. My father is your age, Roger, and he has told me ever since I was 20 years old, I'm gonna work, pay taxes, and die. He said that so many times to me. And if I told him what I'm doing here, what I wanna do Uh-huh. It'd keep him up at night. It'd keep him up at night. Still paying taxes.
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If you have any constitutional taxes, you're gonna pay them, Michael. It's not that you're not paying taxes. It's that you're not paying unconstitutional taxes that are communist manifesto based.
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Yeah. Unlawful. They're only you you everybody pays whatever lawful tax they owe, period. Yes. And if you don't owe the tax, why do you have to pay it? Why do you wanna pay it?
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Well, you you wanna pay it. We wanna pay it so they can sink our damn warships over there in the Mediterranean.
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Yeah.
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Because I guarantee you, what they shot at the Liberty was the ammunitions we gave them.
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Yeah.
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Well, hang on. Let's finish up with Michael before everybody I'm okay. Today.
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So, Michael, you got my email address. Right? Straw man I even emailed you. I I I I emailed you, Mark. I was hoping you were gonna email this before. I think I have a draft sitting in my folder,
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trying to go through and answer everything that you asked.
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So I know what else to tell you than that. Michael,
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it will offer you that you're trying to get a three years of revocation of election in?
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That is my plan is to see if I can get my my estimate taxes, you know, one step at a time.
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Okay. Well, it would it make you feel better if we took care of it for you and you gave us 15% of anything you got back? If you wanna do that, we'll do it for you. If you wanna do it yourself and go through all this, you make that choice. I'm just telling you there's a choice there for you. Okay?
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Yeah. Is this a conversation that can be over the phone, like like, with Mark? Is it We could be out of the Yeah. We could be out of the air right here if you want. I mean, it's a service we offer. Mhmm.
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Only thing is we're getting down to April 15, and I don't know how much time I'm gonna have to try to help people rushing at the last minute. You know? Well, the ROE
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can be done any time
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within the three years. Is that Yeah. You've got a you've got a little wiggle room.
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I got a little wiggle room. I have them just wanna get this one done so I can see my first year of estimated taxes that I paid in accidentally.
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Okay. Okay. Well, then we're gonna leave that decision in your lap. Okay? You don't tell anybody what to do around here. Alright? It's your choice.
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So And look. You can go you can go out to nationalstatus.com, and under their across the top, there's a link that says the remedy, and it'll have a drop down menu, and you click on internal revenue service. And Dave and Kaye have laid out very step by step examples out there that you can follow.
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Have you heard of anybody in our realm that has been six I can't remember what you said on Wednesday, Dan. Yes. Yes.
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Yes. If you're filing for the first time, a ten forty n r, those refunds have been granted. We've not had a problems with those. Where we've had a little bit of a delay is on the trying to get a refund for previous years that we already filed a standard ten forty a schedule of tax return, and we're trying to come back and do a ten forty n r. So that's been a little bit problematic. Dave and Kaye, I think Dave was saying the other day that, he sent in the wrong year for his ten forty NR. He's he sent in the wrong year, so he had to go back and correct that to get a to get a refund for a previous standard ten forty file.
So it's still in the process. And, but I'm I'm expecting at some point in time, we'll have a breakthrough in trying to go back and get prior year's taxes up to three years, which means if you file the October, tax schedule in 2021, and last year you become a national, then you've got till April fifteenth of this year to file an amended return for 2021. So if it were me and I was gonna try to get a 2021 re refund, I'd file for my 2024 if I needed to. Right? Twenty twenty four is due by April fifteenth of this year. Your 2021 was due by, I believe, April fifteenth of of twenty twenty two.
You add three years to that, that's coming up due. April 15, you if you're gonna seek an amended refund, or excuse me, an amended return for 2021, you need to get that in before April fifteenth of this year, '20 '20 '5. Alright.
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Tom, did you have a comment a minute ago?
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I had a question. I was gonna ask Mark that, would it make sense, Mark, that if wouldn't it make sense, Mark, that if he's gonna file the the NR, that the amount that he's requesting, once he adds up all his $10.90 nines and all that, the amount that he's requesting for a refund should match the the return that he filed where he paid. No. That way he'll know exactly what he has coming. No. Not in his situation, Tom.
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Look, he he paid, like, many businesses do, they pay quarterly estimated taxes. So he's already prepaid the taxes that he were was expecting to owe this year. So his total amount of taxes, or excuse me, his total income he'll list, but he's exempt from that and doesn't owe any tax on that. So his, you know, his his taxes for his income is zero, but he prepaid whatever amount he prepaid, and he wants a refund on that because he didn't owe it. Does that make sense?
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Yep. Yeah. So the amount that he's requesting should be the same amount that he paid in.
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Yes. That's well, he's yeah. In the quarter in the quarterly pay in the quarterly payments.
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It's total? Yeah. He's seeking a refund for the total quarterly payments that he made for last year.
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Yes.
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And then and then Tim, previous years that he did file ten forty regular 10, the amount he's requesting as a refund should match the amount that he paid in. And if he adds up all his $10.90 nines and all that, those numbers should all jive. If they don't, then there's, you know, there's a miscalculation somewhere on his part.
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Well, it's a little different because he's already had his taxes done. The previous years, he already filed a tax return. So now we're amending that by filing a ten forty n r. So we're gonna show the total income that we received based upon any and all ten ninety nines and w two's. Then we're going to show that that was exempt. All my income is exempt from taxes, so I owed zero taxes. But whatever I paid in officially for that year's tax return, I'm asking for a full refund. And that could be now hold on. That could be, quarterly, pre estimated tax that I paid in and any additional taxes that I paid with my tax return.
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Right. Over and above.
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Over and above what I have prepaid in. Yes. That's correct. So everything that was paid in for that tax year, I'm seeking a full refund of it. And that will be on his 10:40 schedule that he already filed. Whatever his total tax was there, that's what we're, you know, that's what we're seeking a refund for. Okay. Michael, the taxes your situation taxes that we're paying.
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Your situation is a lot more complex than the average bear. And Yep. The good news is once you get this behind you, you won't have to owe those thieving bastards anything for the future. Yep.
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Yep. I see it at the minute. So you've had some pretty good you've had some pretty good size people's had some pretty good size refunds, Roger. Right? I mean, there was some big
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We we had one that'd choke a camel if I told you what it was. Yeah.
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Yeah. Go ahead, Michael.
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Well, Bruce, hold on. You have to get behind a sketch. Okay? Michael, alright. Michael, what do you so
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where are you in Well, I've also paid, estimated taxes to the Minnesota State. I'm assuming they're gonna play ball and refund me as well. Well, yeah. Well, we don't assume anything here.
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No. We we hope because we're having problems with Oklahoma tax commission. And, they actually took took the tax return for last year, 2024. It was for the previous year. Right? So last year, we filed 2023 taxes, filed it in 2024, mailed it on April fifteenth of last year. The Oklahoma Tax Commission showed that they received it, but they never responded with any and they never sent a refund. The the, one of Rogers' listeners followed up with a letter to them and then went on online. And instead it went from showing that they'd received it to, we never received it. So he went and walked into their offices here not too long ago, and they started interrogating him.
And they they basically say, are you a tax protester? I mean, this all went downhill. When they saw the income that he made and they saw that he wasn't going to pay any taxes, then they all got indignant. Even though he mailed them a follow-up copy of his, tax transcript from the IRS showing that he owed zero taxes, and that his his adjusted gross income was zero. And he had zero taxes, and they just, you know, won't they weren't accepting it. So we're not we're not done with them. So what Minnesota state will do, I have no idea.
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Alabama's given Michael nail problems down there. Just one person That's facts. Just isolated. Yes. They're coming and saying you owe Alabama taxes. We don't care if you're a resident or not. Yada yada yada. And and have grabbed some already. I think they garnished his wagers. And this is, Mark, what I was talking about the other day. I don't think you were with us that day, Thursday, is these are these incidents where we should get somebody to draft a little letter to the secretary of state saying, will you issue to the court or to the taxing authority this, certificate of noncitizen nationality?
And, see, the other administration wouldn't have done it, but this one may. You know? I don't know. Yeah.
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Well, from what I saw in that section 15 o two, it doesn't really look like they have a choice. Now here's what I would do. No. It does say it's their prerogative. Okay. Well, then then if if if they don't wanna cooperate because I would talk to them as well. I'd, you know, I would call them up and ask them about it, and then I'd follow-up with a letter requesting it if they were gonna, you know, play ball. You know who the public liaison officer is? Kelly Robinson. Missus
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Robinson. Missus Kukutina. God, the irony is alive. Go ahead.
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So now that cert on the travel.gov website where they talk about the certificate of nationality
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Yes. Yes.
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I would use that as a guideline to request one for our status as a national. Because it is a guideline. Now it's it's not it's not that doesn't fall under 15 o two, but it tells you where to mail everything to request that certificate of nationality.
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Oh, does or non national. Remember that. Yes. Okay. Yes. Well, it's just an idea that hit me with some some of these incidents that people ought to request it. I it does say somewhere, it seems they've got a prerogative whether or not they wanna do it, but doesn't hurt you to request. You know? It just doesn't hurt to ask. Right. Well well, hang on. She might not she might not say no. You know?
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If you got some type of case going on like in court case, you have subpoena power. Yes. And you could do what's called a subpoena, deuces take them, which means you can request evidence including a deposition from a third party. So if if if Roger and I had a a lawsuit going against each other and and I knew that Paul had information that would, you know, support my case, I could subpoena Paul and all his records to be provided to this court case. That's called a subpoena ducis takum. And so the same principle would apply if you're in some type of administrative court with a state agency.
You should be able to ask for information from this the, Department of State to provide you a a certificate of non nationality.
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Hey, Mark? Yeah. Paul.
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You've been talking about a bunch of different ten forty forms like the ten forty and the ten forty n r. What about the ten forty x? Do you have to file one of those two if you're correcting a return from a previous year?
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That's an amended return. That is basically a summary of what you're filing. So ten forty x is an amended return, and it's just a a summary of what you're filing and why. And then you attach a copy of the ten forty n r and the original copy of the ten forty that you're correcting.
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Now that could be Right.
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That could be a ten forty a that you previously filed, and you're replacing it with a a ten forty n r. It could be a we have somebody who messed up a ten forty n r, and they're amending their ten forty n r, and they have to use the ten forty x to cover it. So ten forty x is just a summary of your amended return.
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Right. It has nothing to do with Elon Musk.
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It has nothing to do with Elon Musk.
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Okay. From the IRS website, what is the ten forty x form used for? If you didn't claim the correct filing status or you need to change your income, deductions, or credits, you should file an amendment an amended or corrected return using form ten forty x. Yep. So Yep. If you didn't file with the correct status I thought that was interesting that they used that word. Yes.
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I'm sure they think it's, you know, single, married married separated, married filing Probably. Separately.
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I'm sure that's the status they're talking about, but
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whatever. K. Michael, you got any other questions or comments here? You're welcome, Paul.
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I think I'm good. I Alright. Well, I just I mean, I can't see here. I lost all my train of thought.
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Okay. No problem. Question. I'm gonna put you on the back burner, and I'm gonna go the people in line. Sketch was first. Yeah. Thank you, Martha. Thank you, Martha. Okay. You're welcome for everything, Michael. Thanks for being with us. Yeah. Hey. There are other people that have these wanted Mark to mention. Go ahead, Mark.
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I just wanted Mark to mention the the statement of it of Michael's intentions that he should put in any communication with the IRS.
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Okay. Yeah. Put it out there. He can absorb it.
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Mark?
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I I didn't quite follow what you're saying, Sketch. Good. Okay. What is the statement you should state
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when you're communicating upfront about your intentions?
[01:05:38] Unknown:
Yeah. The very first thing I like to and I learned this from Richard Cornforth, one of my mentors. He likes to put in there very first sentence. It is not my intention to avoid paying a tax that I lawfully owe. Now that intention removes any criminality. They try to come back and say you're committing some type of tax crime. Yes. You're saying right up front, it's not my intention to avoid. And he would say actually, he would say, it's not now nor has it ever been my intention to avoid paying a tax that I lawfully owe. Now a couple of our listeners followed up that sentence with another one, and I really like this too. It says, if it's determined that I owe a lawful tax, I will do my best to promptly pay it.
I'm showing my intention to pay any and all taxes that I lawfully owe. And then Legally. I'd say legally. All criminality out of it. It. Do what, Rodney? I'd say I'd say legally there maybe. Oh, okay.
[01:06:43] Unknown:
Just a suggestion.
[01:06:46] Unknown:
So, anyway, they're taking on your criminality. Yeah.
[01:06:50] Unknown:
Yes. Don't forget, Michael, that the the non filing charge is willful failure to file. And so are have you heard of the Cheek case? You probably haven't. No. He was a he was an airline pilot for one of the major airlines, and he went and did all this research. They take a lot of money out of those guys' checks. And, he went and did a lot of research, and it it didn't file because he didn't think he needed to. And so went all the way to the Supreme Court, and they sided with Cheek. The IRS didn't like losing those kind of cases.
[01:07:31] Unknown:
Now let me give you a quick summary of that. It's called Chuuk v United States. The Supreme Court rule. This isn't just some lower federal court. This went up to the Supreme Court. And they ruled that a good faith, albeit unreasonable belief that one is not violating the tax law, can negate the element of willfulness in a tax evasion prosecution, but not if the belief is based on the invalidity of the tax law itself. So in other words, it has to be a reasonable good faith belief that you're not violating tax law, and that takes away the the the total
[01:08:18] Unknown:
criminality of that. Right. Especially when your belief is based on an affidavit that you filed with the secretary of state and obtained also a passport with.
[01:08:28] Unknown:
And I also believe that CFR one dot one dash one is accurate that the IRS publishes. Absolutely. Says a nonresident alien is exempt except for these two sections, eight seventy one, b as in bravo, and eight seventy seven, b as in bravo.
[01:08:45] Unknown:
Micah, we've got these boys by the shorthairs. Bruce, what have you got to add here?
[01:08:52] Unknown:
Just a, possibility of things to happen after he falls, and he, would put in a demand to pay him in refund and cook gold or silver instead of federal reserve note. It's a debt. That's a note. It's a debt you're paying him with.
[01:09:12] Unknown:
They're not gonna pay him in gold and silver. That's really not a reasonable request.
[01:09:17] Unknown:
Take take the funds that you receive and convert it into gold and silver. There you go. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I understand that, but you can ask them to do that. There you go. That won't be interfering anything.
[01:09:30] Unknown:
Well, let me ask this, Bruce. Have you ever known anybody that, requested that from the IRS and they got paid in gold and silver?
[01:09:37] Unknown:
No. It it's just a common sense thing,
[01:09:40] Unknown:
Mark. Oh, okay.
[01:09:43] Unknown:
Alright. I mean, if you if I do if I do a deal with somebody and they want gold and silver, you know, refund or whatever, I'd have to go buy the gold and silver and send it to them. Him, not passing on the fraud we have in our pocket. Oh, you're talking about a a private
[01:10:01] Unknown:
a private transaction.
[01:10:05] Unknown:
No. I'm just honoring his request.
[01:10:07] Unknown:
That is it. Yeah. But you're not the IRS. That's not how it works with the IRS, at least. Unless you got some kind of law that says that they must pay you in gold and silver and you hold their feet to the fire and don't accept any any refund that they send you unless it's gold and silver.
[01:10:25] Unknown:
Well, the hinge here is on legal tender. And legal tender for them is Federal Reserve notes. That's what you pay them and your taxes in, and that's what they're gonna refund you back in saying. Bruce, come back. You're on down on the edge of the limb. Come on back towards the towards the trunk a little bit. K? Alright. Who's next? Yes. Well, yeah, but you're well, you're if you'll get rid of that darn snorkel, you can. We can't understand you when you're 10 feet underwater, sweetie.
[01:11:01] Unknown:
Hey, Rod.
[01:11:03] Unknown:
Alright. Call back in. We're waiting for you. Who's the guy next guy there?
[01:11:08] Unknown:
It's Jack in Colorado. Hello, Jack. Hey. Hey. Question for you. So as you know, my m 40 n r has been rejected, and they sent me the threat for a, frivolous filing fee that they want me to reply to within thirty days, either withdrawing my tax return, or basically just saying withdrawing it and not adding any more Patriot crap in my letter, basically, or else they'll add the fee. So I'm gonna be replying to that, and I'm also gonna be correcting my ten forty n r because I didn't include all my ten ninety nines. I only included just the form that were taxes that were taken out of. So after listening to the conversation, it sounds like I should go ahead and include some ten ninety nines even though there was no tax taken out of them. But all that said, if I'm doing both of those simultaneously, should I just you think maybe my reply to the frivolous filing threat should be, you know, I withdraw that filing return. I'm gonna be correcting it. Do you keep it simple like that? Or should I put, like, my proof state my case on why I'm a national in that?
[01:12:08] Unknown:
Well, are you talking about Colorado or the feds?
[01:12:11] Unknown:
No. This is the best IRS. Colorado's giving me hell too, but I'm trying to focus on fixing the feds so that Colorado will hopefully follow. I would I would send them something back like Vatel's law of nation statement.
[01:12:23] Unknown:
I would include 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a and ask them, is this some Patriot argument or is this IRS regulations? I would ask them and bring them for 20 2313 on a more of an exact definition on nonresident alien in that. And, there's a few other things you could put in there. That's just a couple off the top of my head. How about the, 1835 case where it says that it doesn't matter what the passport says. It's what paperwork is in possession of the secretary. And, this is maybe one of those cases where you could write another letter to the secretary of state requesting one of these certificates be sent over to the IRS to validate the fact that you have an affidavit on file with the secretary of state, and you could attach that and label it exhibit a along with everything else. That sounds like a pretty good response, doesn't it?
[01:13:28] Unknown:
I actually wrote one up just like that as a draft because I know Mark is working on or gonna be working on a letter. Okay. And, actually, Mark, I sent you a draft of kinda what I proposed. I don't know if you got that, but I'm just trying to figure out if I should go that route or just say, hey. I withdraw this. I'm redoing it. Just keep it simple. Well, you might do both. Why not do both? I'm gonna do both. I am gonna redo the NR, but my reply specifically to the frivolous filing fee, I'm just debating on. I don't know, Mark, what is your opinion on how you would reply to that appointment? Just a threat. They didn't levy one on you. They are threatening you. Thank you. Have you have you read that letter?
[01:14:06] Unknown:
Isn't that right, Jack? They're threatening you. That's right. They say within thirty days, I need to withdraw or Okay. Have you seen the letter that I wrote back to them for Shane's letter like that threatening a $5,000 frivolous filing penalty? It's on the website. Okay. I'll go check it out. I'm just wondering if that's what Mark was gonna try to crack. So Okay. Well, I'll let Mark chime in here. I'm just giving you my 2¢. Mark, what do you appreciate it. Yep. Well, yeah. I'm I'm I'm working on that.
[01:14:35] Unknown:
I'm trying to take a much longer letter and and condense it down to one no more than two pages. But the whole thing is you gotta spell out that you're a nonresident alien and and and that they cannot fine you or penalize you. They just can't do it. You're not a citizen of The US. Yep. So it's a threat. Your letter is a threat. Go ahead. The other thing that was really bizarre is the term withdraw. How are you supposed to withdraw a tax return? Never go go dig on the IRS website and go do a Google search. How do I withdraw a ten forty tax form and see if you can find anything? Because I can't find anything officially that says how to do that. Maybe that's a good way to start the letter. So, well, why not just do your ten forty x and ten forty NR and, you know, amend that and mail it in. Just say, you know, and I think you could just say what you were going to say at the beginning of your letter. I withdraw my ten forty NR filed on such and such date, and I'm amending that return.
And then you can provide copies of that amendment or just mail it in. That's fine. But the rest of that letter should be about how they can't penalize you, that you're a non citizen.
[01:16:03] Unknown:
Maybe I'll send them all together, the reply to that letter and my corrected tax form because it's all going to the same address in Austin. Okay. Totally, totally up to you. You can certainly do that. Well, I would like your feedback on, when you get time on the draft, I see what you just see what you think. Alright. I think it's a bluff letter, Jack.
[01:16:21] Unknown:
It is. It is. Been till it's night. Okay. Well, alright. Well, you'll answer it, and you'll never hear from them again. So I don't know about your return and that on the side, but that's the pattern up to this point and there's never been an exception to my knowledge. And believe me, if there's anything that happens to any of you, I'm the first person you get a hold of generally. Roger Roger Roger. I got a letter. I got a this. I got a that. K? And I've never heard one of that anytime at one the whole fourteen years. Go ahead.
[01:16:56] Unknown:
One last question for Mark. Is it possible to put a house in the trust that has a mortgage on it? Yes. Absolutely. Protect it from a lien, from IRS that way? Absolutely. Might have to join your trust class next time and get that done. Okay.
[01:17:13] Unknown:
Yeah. But there's there's a it's called the Saint Germain Act, and it allows you to take a property that, that has got a mortgage on it and transfer it into a family trust, and it does not trigger the due on sale clause. And if if for some reason a mortgage company comes back and says we need the payment in full because you transferred title of the property, you just respond and let them know that was for estate planning purposes only, that property was transferred into a family trust. And that's the end of it. And you might even send them a certification of your trust, which does not provide any private information, but you can send them a certification of your trust, and that's signed by the trustee, and that's the end of it.
Never never had a, mortgage company go through with demanding a due on sale clause just because of putting it in a family trust.
[01:18:18] Unknown:
Is that a irrevocable trust? Doesn't matter.
[01:18:22] Unknown:
Okay. I mean, that's what I that's what I teach is irrevocable trust. They're the most solid. Very difficult to bust. And the other thing too is you don't have, an unscrupulous family member sneak in when, the creator of the trust is mentally declining and have them sign a document that they don't understand. And then all the property goes to one person. Yeah. I've seen it so many times over the past years. I just it's more Like a Jesuit
[01:18:58] Unknown:
Like a Jesuit priest at a dying moment of a bedside.
[01:19:02] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. And, man, I could tell you story after story after story where a a parent, become mentally declined. And in one case, a cousin came in. It was a banker. Can you imagine that? Banker in Tulsa came in and had the mother sign over a whole new will or excuse me, a whole new trust, a whole new living trust that was revocable, meaning it can be changed. And they put down the cousin as the sole heir to millions, multi millions worth of dollars. The husband had been in the oil field. Tulsa is a big oil town and he'd made lots of money in oil and, the three children got nothing.
[01:19:53] Unknown:
There you go. That's why you do not want,
[01:19:55] Unknown:
yeah. You do not want a revocable trust
[01:19:59] Unknown:
if you can avoid it.
[01:20:02] Unknown:
May I Are we on their back? Oh, you came out of the 10 below. Come on, lady Linda. If you do you know how you sound when we tell you to do that?
[01:20:17] Unknown:
Well, I just wanted to, back up a little bit, for Michael from Minnesota and whoever's listening. My notice to the IRS, I did the usual lawful legal notice at the top and notice to principal as notice to agent at the top and notice to agent as notice to principal. And then I continued with not to be considered a filing. It is not my intent to avoid paying my constitutional taxes that I, lady Linda Louise, may lawfully owe. If it is found that I owe a constitutional tax, I will do my duty. So that's right at the top. And then the letter says, and it closes a copy of my affidavit of citizenship evidence, I, Lady Linda Louise, am national as defined in Title eight, US Code, subsection eleven oh one, parenthesis 21, close parenthesis. And then I stated quote, the term national means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state, unquote.
And then the next paragraph, as a national, I am not resident to the residency and alien to the condition of voluntary servitude of the fourteenth Amendment. National status is deceptively identified within Title 26 CFR 1.1-one parenthesis a, close parenthesis as a nonresident alien, comma, of which I am. Please place this notice evidence documents within my administrative file forthwith. And that's how I sit. So I I didn't just say owe taxes. I I added constitutional taxes. I don't know if that's a good idea or a bad idea, but that's what I did. I yelled. And see, Michael, here's what's happening. I think maybe I mentioned this to you the other day.
[01:22:03] Unknown:
This is administrative state stuff. They're a court of record. We're not talking about district courts, but they're a court of record because they do have their own administrative courts. And what binds that all together and basically is the foundation of the entire federal system is your administrative file with any of these agencies you do business with because everything comes from that. Some people will try and go and file a case at the district court level, and the clerk will say, we can't file that for you because you haven't exhausted your administrative remedies. And see, the administrative state is another court, an administrative court, and the record is your administrative folder.
Anything they send you, anything you send them has got to be put in there because it's the basis of the court of record. And anything that's in there can be admitted into either an administrative tribunal or a ongoing court session. Because it's in that folder in the possession of the government, it can be admitted in those cases, and it bypasses the rules of evidence. They can't keep it out. So the more you fill that file with stuff like you just heard from Linda Reed, the safer you are. You know, there's a a it's also on the website. I used to do shows with Al Attisk, very prominent in our movement decade couple of decades ago. Somebody said he still has a show, but I haven't heard any more from that.
And, the IRS, Al wrote had published a journal called the Anti Scheister. I don't know if it was monthly, maybe, all legal oriented stuff. He was a roofer. He got caught in a family court battle. Custody stuff is how he got into this arena. And so the IRS wrote Al something, and he wrote them back 66 questions. And he never heard from them again. Now that those 66 questions are on the website. They're over there on our website. So this administrative folder and these correspondence, things that you trade, are very important in this whole total scope and scheme of the way the federal government is structured and operates.
[01:24:36] Unknown:
Roger.
[01:24:39] Unknown:
Larry.
[01:24:41] Unknown:
Good good afternoon.
[01:24:43] Unknown:
Thank you, sir.
[01:24:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I have a question for you and a question for Mark. When you used to do your revocation of elections with your teachers back, I guess, in the eighties
[01:24:56] Unknown:
The no. No. It was in 1992. I was Okay. It was in 1992. Do a whole but they did mine. I paid for them to do it. I never did it for anybody else. So go go I just knew about it because I got Okay. Three of those frivolous filing penalties. But they, back then, were only $500. Go ahead.
[01:25:17] Unknown:
Okay. So back then, you used you you tell the story how you used to send it to Philadelphia. Of course, all of that's changed. Well, that's And when you when you file ten forty n r's now, you send them to Austin, Texas. So something must have changed there. But anyway Yeah. When you used to do it or when Glenn and John used to do it for you, did you include a now I know you didn't file with the secretary of state. My understanding is when you tell the stories, you sent you sent your, your affidavit to the property records office, I guess.
[01:25:53] Unknown:
Did you use to include No. No. Ho ho ho ho. You don't send things to the property records office. You file them. It is the Right. Right. You filed it with the property records office. Did you And I got it certified by the clerk of the court also. Yes. Okay. Did you used to include a copy of that with your revocation of election sent to Philadelphia? Don't remember. Well, I only did it once, Larry. It wasn't something I did, you know, by every week. And they did it for me, and my head was spinning, and I was stunned at when that was going on. So I don't have any vague memories of the of the whole thing taking place because they did it for a couple other folks too. But, Okay. I did it once.
I I got back $3,500 frivolous filing penalties, which as the, events chain of events went on, ended up being, $35,000. That's the 11 of the Pharisees right there, buddy. But we filed it in the property records office either where we live or where we were born. So I did it in both. I filed one in Marietta. We not only filed it in the property records office, we put it in the freaking legal organ, me and my buddy, Ron Brown. And so filed it both places, put it in the legal organ where we lived, all that stuff. We didn't but we did not know to send it to the secretary of the state.
If we would have, Larry, there's a chance you may live in a different country right now. That's how dramatic that one little piece, that one little link being not completed could have potentially meant.
[01:27:37] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I understand. That's the special link. So with coming up to modern times, when you and Mark, do your revocation of election, for other students that don't wanna tackle it themselves, Do you recommend when you file your three ten forty n r's and your three ten forty x's and you send them to Austin, Texas, do you recommend including with the cover letter, your affidavit that's filed with the secretary of state, or do you just reference it in the cover letter saying, you know, I've already filed an affidavit of citizenship evidence with the secretary of state on such and such date. I'm not a US citizen and resident, and here's
[01:28:21] Unknown:
my my amended returns. Is that all you do? As Mark as Mark does that and I don't, I'm gonna defer that question over to him.
[01:28:31] Unknown:
Okay. Good. And then I have a question for Mark after he answers that question.
[01:28:35] Unknown:
Mark? And I okay. No problem. But before we do that, I do see a hand raise that I don't think we've talked with them yet. So I see a hand raise from, area code 256, and it shows the first name is Richard. So, Richard, if you're standing by, we we're gonna call on you here in just a moment. So, Larry, what I I like to do, and and also Dave and Kaye, they have this mapped out on their website, is they like to put everything in front of whoever's reviewing your tax documents so it doesn't leave anything to question. So they like to put a cover letter, they put their affidavit in with proof of delivery to the IRS, They put in a copy of the revocation of election and then, of course, their tax forms. So everything's delivered to whoever's reviewing these tax documents on a silver platter.
They can see that they you've got proof of delivery. You show them the dates that they received your notices, a copy of yours your affidavit, and and including a copy of their their revocation of election. And then you also, you know, have your tax forms that you put in with that. So if for some reason, some other IRS department didn't put your notice into their computer system, you've got a copy right in front of them. So I hope that makes sense. I mean, you put everything you need right in front of them everything they need right in front of them to make the decision whether your tax return is acceptable or not.
[01:30:10] Unknown:
The less they have to do the less they have to do from the, point at hand, the better off you are.
[01:30:19] Unknown:
Yep. Right. Here's the right in front of you. This
[01:30:21] Unknown:
instead of, sir, go to that file cabinet over there, and then you go to get this document, authenticated, and then you come back. Or here, here's the authenticated document. Can you please stamp it? Bam. No problem.
[01:30:35] Unknown:
So Alright. This the the second question I have,
[01:30:39] Unknown:
well, I I guess it can be answered by both Roger and Mark. So you touched on trusts, a little while ago, Mark. I can't remember if it's Roger or or you, Mark, that tells the story how some taxi company put all of their taxi cabs in separate trusts. And then when when one of their drivers got in an accident, the, they got sued, and I guess the the plaintiff was trying to get, you know, all this money, and they ended up only getting a certain amount like a low amount of money because that particular taxicab the the owner put all the taxicabs in separate trusts, so they were only able to get some money out of one particular trust.
And I I don't know. Does that mean that they were able to get into that trust like they pierce the trust and they were able to acquire that asset?
[01:31:36] Unknown:
Let me just tell the story over. It'll be a lot quicker than you trying to interpret what you thought you ordered.
[01:31:42] Unknown:
So Okay. Sure.
[01:31:45] Unknown:
When I worked in Vegas for a law firm, it was a personal injury law firm. I had a short project period. There were I worked about six months. We had an, client come in who got hit by a yellow taxi, by a taxi cab. And the attorneys immediately said, well, the max we can get off of that is 300,000. And I said, why? And they said, because the taxi cam company there in in Vegas put every taxi in its own separate trust, and each one of those trust had a max policy of 300,000, which would should cover most any type of accident. And, therefore, the the the the owner of the taxi, which is basically the trust at this point, that's all they can be sued for is 300,000.
If if there were damages that went above 300,000, then they would go after the taxi driver. But that's it. It's not it's not piercing the trust. They're holding they're holding the trust responsible for for the car and the damages. So, no, they're piercing the trust. This this this is another way of protecting the company because the company doesn't own that taxi, and they can't sue the company for any damages above and beyond what that taxi cab was covered because it's like two separate entities.
[01:33:16] Unknown:
So this is kinda leading up to a bigger question I have. Alright. So if that's so, you know, there's two things here. Say you put your house in a trust, whether it's you you just said a little while ago, you could be making payments on it, mortgage payments, or maybe you just outright own it, so you put your house in a trust. So the situation with the taxicab, you know, maybe they got in an accident, and it was the taxicab driver's fault. I don't know the situation. So that that's what allowed the the plaintiff to come in there and sue the company, but they were only able to get those assets out of that trust. No. They did not sue the company.
[01:34:00] Unknown:
No. No. They did not sue the company. They sued the trust. Okay. Yes. They sued the trust that the taxi was in.
[01:34:09] Unknown:
Alright. I get it. So let's just say you have a house in a trust. What kind of situation would occur, because obviously houses aren't like cars. You know, you're driving around, you could have the potential of getting in an accident. Right. What kind of situation could arise where somebody could sue a trust that has a a a house in that trust and they can get access to that to that asset, what kind of situation could occur where they could do that? Okay. Is there maybe any situation?
[01:34:40] Unknown:
Just like any homeowner, If there was something that occurred on that property and it can be tied to the to the, ownership of the house, then the house, you know, could be potentially lienable, if you will. But that's where your insurance comes in. You wanna make sure that your home is insured to cover all that. Somebody slips and falls on your porch and has an injury, you better know that your your how home insurance is gonna cover that. So be just like any other homeowner who somebody experienced some type of accident on their home, that then their insurance would cover that. Anything above and beyond the insurance, they could go after the the real estate that's attached to it.
[01:35:28] Unknown:
Alright. And then this is the final question. So as far as you know and even you, Roger, does the IRS have any special privileges that if you put your house in a trust and let's just say, you know, you have some some, some background where, you know, you didn't pay your taxes or whatever, and they they want to, you know, even after you become a national, you have a history that you didn't do something, and they they come after you, and then they're trying to take your assets. Maybe they're going after your house. Okay. Larry If that house was gonna be like Larry Larry Oh, then I'm gonna do what I did with him a minute ago. Come come back into the
[01:36:09] Unknown:
trunk from out on that limb, Larry, a bit. Okay?
[01:36:12] Unknown:
Well, you're you're explaining. You're going on and on about an explanation when when it it's a very simple question. So the question that you're basically asking is if you have a home in a trust, can the IRS go accurate because you owe a tax?
[01:36:30] Unknown:
Right? That's that's pretty much it. Right. And a lot of times, you guys I'm trying
[01:36:36] Unknown:
wait. Let me just say this before you answer. I a lot of times, it might seem like I'm going out on a limb, but I am I I help other students, and I am trying to I might be asking a question on behalf of someone else. And so I'm just trying to get this out in the group so y'all can, like, think about it. So but go ahead.
[01:36:59] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I mean, it's very simple. The whole purpose of putting your your home and real estate into a a private irrevocable trust is so that it can't be busted. There's a a pretty famous case, well, maybe it's not famous, but there's a case in the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals called N. Ray Baum, B as in Bravo, A, U as umbrella, M as in Mary. N. Ray Baum And the US tenth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling was that even though the trustee was doing some things that looked shady, the trust itself met the six elements of being a trust, and therefore it could not be busted and property taken. Now, let me explain this a little further.
Baum, I think his name was Jerome Baum, filed for bankruptcy. The US Trustee discovered that he had transferred property into a trust and the US Bankruptcy Trustee was suing Baum to bust the trust and take the property. And the court, Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals said, Nope. They meet the six elements of the trust and therefore the trustee cannot bust the trust and take the property. So they sent the government packing because, you know, the the trust was a valid trust. So the IRS is no different. If the IRS is trying to go after an individual and they've got all this property sitting in a trust and and it meets the six elements of of what's required for valid trust, lawfully, the IRS should not be able to reach in and grab those assets. You know you know what they use, don't you, Mark?
[01:38:45] Unknown:
A concept called fraudulent conveyance. And they'll say, no. They you knew you were coming for the you owe these taxes, and you're trying to get that and to get it out of our reach at the last minute. And we say we can pierce it. That's that's what they'd come after you with, Larry. Fraudulent
[01:39:03] Unknown:
conveyance. Yeah. You you hear me? Perfect. I mean, they answered my questions, but Okay.
[01:39:09] Unknown:
Do you hear anybody? You you you just don't hear about that stuff. Okay? I mean, you so anyway but but that's what they'd use, fraudulent conveyance.
[01:39:23] Unknown:
Right. And the thing about fraudulent conveyance, it can't be used if there wasn't a court case already started. So in other words Yeah. They have to have some procedures against you, and you were trying to avoid it by doing Right. Right. But if that if that house or car or whatever property was already in that trust before a case arises, then and it meets the six elements like hands. Right. Exactly. Alright. Thank you.
[01:39:50] Unknown:
Alright. You're welcome. Alright. What about I don't mean to cut you off, but we have Roger, I don't mean to cut people off, but we got limited time. And when they go off on a tangent on a question, then I, you know, I apologize. I don't mean to be short with anybody. It's just that we've got limited time, and I just wanna get I totally agree.
[01:40:11] Unknown:
I totally agree.
[01:40:12] Unknown:
So You're welcome, Larry. Was there a guy? Was there a guy? A lot of people try to drag it out and and think they're adding something to that question when it's not necessary.
[01:40:21] Unknown:
So that's all. So I I could have broken and said fraudulent conveyance is the only way, and that may not apply. In your case, it depends on when you set the trust up and when they started coming after you. Who Yes. Exactly. About the guy with his hands up, Richard?
[01:40:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a second. I will cover that fraudulent remains real quick. A lot of people will get a lawsuit, and then they start scrambling to transfer property into somebody else's name. It's too late. If you do that, it's actually can be considered in some states a felony, and it's fraudulent conveyance of property. Yep. Now let's go a little further on that. If, if you're looking at filing a bankruptcy and say within a year, you're transferring stuff into a prop or into a trust, you know, then, then it could be sent let me back up and say that correctly.
It could be seen as fraudulent conveyance of property and they could try to bust that trust. Yep. So a lot of it has to do with the timing and the intent. Same thing if if you think that you might need help with, long term care, like in a nursing home. Well, the only way the the way the government set up is if if you're going to have any assistance from the government to pay those ridiculous monthly amounts for long term care, you have to be totally indigent before the state and the feds will pay any money to the nursing home. So you want to, you want to transfer any property into a trust as soon as possible because they look back three years and they're looking like they may extend that to five years. So they're gonna go back five years and go, oh, well, you transferred this property into a trust. Yeah. And we're not gonna provide you any assistance until you, you know, use all your assets, including what you put in the trust.
Yeah. So you wanna get your stuff in a trust as soon as possible, my opinion. So, anyway, I yield. Estate planning services.
[01:42:26] Unknown:
Now what about this we had a hand up. I'm very,
[01:42:30] Unknown:
anal about it. Rich? Yeah. That was Rich. Are you there?
[01:42:34] Unknown:
Hi, Mark. It's Rich. Can you hear me? Yeah. Rich. Go ahead. How you doing, Rich? Yes. I kinda came in kinda late on on the on the show. I I have a question. I'm, I just sent it, I just sent another check to the IRS, based upon, it's called the Thrift Savings Plan. When I was a, government employee, which I'm not anymore, I withdrew I did an early withdrawal on that TSP, two different occasions. Yeah. And now I'm now I'm, I'm sending them funds, to, I guess, cover the fines and penalties for the early withdrawals. But the only thing is, I I haven't filed since '20, I guess, 2018.
So, now I'm trying to, send them evidence of, you know, why why am I, sent them money? But then, I I sent them money that, I don't think I should've send them based upon a conversation I've had with the Thrift Savings Board. I told them if you're gonna when you send me my my check for my early withdrawal with withhold those penalties and, so I won't have to deal with the IRS, but apparently, they didn't or the IRS just, you know, wants to, inquire on me.
[01:44:23] Unknown:
Not Are you a national?
[01:44:25] Unknown:
You forgot the very most important part, Richard. Are you a national?
[01:44:29] Unknown:
Yes, sir. As a matter of, as a matter of fact, since '20, '22. But but, Mark, also, I, you know, based upon the years that I've been listening to, you and, Ralph and and, Roger Right. In 1987, when I filled out my first passport application, I was a soldier over in Europe.
[01:45:02] Unknown:
Uh-huh.
[01:45:03] Unknown:
And the paperwork that I filled out, it was a 1746 1, and I I've said on that passport without The United States. And so it kind of explains why I think when I got back to The States, they told me that I had to, fill out another form that said within The United States.
[01:45:39] Unknown:
Oh, no kidding.
[01:45:42] Unknown:
There's some trickery there somewhere.
[01:45:44] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Because they're talking politically, not geographically.
[01:45:50] Unknown:
Right. So so honest to god, even though my passports have all expired years ago, and I and I still have my my two passports. And one of them, you know, based upon all these conversations that we've all been having for all these years, I have, my latest passport, which has expired past its, you know, fifteen years or whatever, but, it had three stars on it.
[01:46:20] Unknown:
Well, that doesn't doesn't matter. Doesn't what matters is what's in the possession of the secretary. It doesn't matter what stars. It doesn't matter anything else. And you put your affidavit in the application package. That's what matters.
[01:46:36] Unknown:
Okay. So, I was I was considering or thinking, and I don't know what, what's your opinion on this? Should I, put that, eight, USC, seventeen forty six dash one on all my correspondence.
[01:46:54] Unknown:
What? Without The United States?
[01:46:58] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:46:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I would. You've got an affidavit on file. You're politically outside of her. Why wouldn't that apply to you?
[01:47:09] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. It was something I kinda
[01:47:12] Unknown:
was thinking about. So Well, Rich, I'm a little confused. When when did you have these withdrawals from the ESP?
[01:47:24] Unknown:
Good question. I don't remember. I've done it at Was it
[01:47:29] Unknown:
twice. Was it prior to 2022?
[01:47:32] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:47:34] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:47:36] Unknown:
So
[01:47:37] Unknown:
So I I guess I don't really quite understand your initial question. If you had if you had taxes paid on that and you weren't a national, then, you know, short of amending your 2021 return, which would be due by by April 15 next month, then really, there's not a whole lot you can do about it.
[01:47:59] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:48:02] Unknown:
So so now what they're doing is they keep on they keep on sending me all this,
[01:48:07] Unknown:
you know, you haven't filed for this year. You haven't filed for this year. Well, have you have you sent them your, your notice of being a national and a revocation of election?
[01:48:16] Unknown:
No. These are probably years before he follows affidavits, my guess. Those are if if a rich does it say, dear rich, we haven't received your tax return for the year 2017 and 2018. If you've submitted, returns for this, disregard this message. If not, we might ask you to come in and bring in some of your books and records. Something to that effect?
[01:48:44] Unknown:
Yes. You still haven't filed your 2019, October.
[01:48:49] Unknown:
Okay. And, now what this is, what John let me tell you what John thought this is. This is what's called a, now I can't think of it, a confirmatory writing. Indeed. Mark, are you familiar with this?
[01:49:06] Unknown:
No. I'm not.
[01:49:08] Unknown:
Okay. Well, it this is what we're getting some kind of weird noise on Rich. Is it Rich's phone or what? We're getting feedback from your speaker.
[01:49:17] Unknown:
Are you on a are you on a
[01:49:20] Unknown:
speakerphone or on your computer?
[01:49:23] Unknown:
Some kind of weird noise.
[01:49:25] Unknown:
We're getting feedback from your speakers. It's a dog barking.
[01:49:29] Unknown:
No. No. It's not a dog barking. No. No. It's feedback. Getting.
[01:49:35] Unknown:
Mute yourself, Rich. The volume.
[01:49:39] Unknown:
If you have a How about now?
[01:49:42] Unknown:
So it sounds much better. Alright. Sounds like you guys are flying with a flock of seagulls.
[01:49:47] Unknown:
Sure. Okay, Rich. Let talk again, Rich. Say something.
[01:49:53] Unknown:
Yeah. It, yeah. Show the chest. I was just curious the whole extent. Okay. Anything. Hold
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on. John thought that what how many of those have you gotten? When did you get them?
[01:50:08] Unknown:
I've got them all the way to 2019 all the way back to 2019.
[01:50:15] Unknown:
No. No. No. Recently, when did you get those? When did you receive the mailing? Oh, just well, the one that I just took action on
[01:50:24] Unknown:
was, just in, January.
[01:50:28] Unknown:
Okay. What John thought these were, Mark, is called a confirmatory writing. A confirmatory writing is one of these specialty contracts in the UCC, exactly the same area that a Jewish sheatar is, a gen 40 form. And his suspicion was if you it says, it's a writing between merchants where both merchants are understood to understand the contents of the writing. And if it's not rejected in ten days, it's considered accepted. So this is how they get you in a contract at the front end of a failure to file when you haven't filed a ten forty contract. Because now they've got to it's making a mandatory system out of a voluntary system.
And this is the it's all you're never gonna get them to admit this, but that this is the way they get and take the process down to where they stop the computer because you don't have a returns filed. The per the computer's programmed correctly. It won't let the process proceed until the 10:40 shows up. And so they use push code o nine, and that's where they put the sort of substitute for return or dummy return in. Now the computer sees a ten forty. Even though you didn't file it, they've got you in a contract at the front end. At the front end is their plausible deniability, and it goes on to assessment and collections.
So with I don't know. So that's fine. That. But that is what John thought this was, and I've never seen anything that he thought was not turn out to be. Now who is about to say something?
[01:52:33] Unknown:
Wow. Is it Rich? May I? Oh, hold on a second. Hold on. Also, Rich, if you listen to Ralph Winter Road, all of that is internal housekeeping by the IRS. It's really not designed to apply for to the public. So you could do a a combination of things in a response letter, but, you know, this is one of those that if it's a confirmatory, writing such as Roger just described, you know, I would be rebutting that. I'd be filing a excuse me. I'd be mailing them a letter by certified mail rebutting that presumption.
[01:53:11] Unknown:
Now I had a guy that got ahold of me at the email and wanted to differ with me on this point. He said, well, this is what it says. I don't think that's right and this, that, and the other. And I said, look, man. I don't I don't know. I'm teaching you what John Benson I learned from John Benson, and I I qualified that when I told you. Okay? Right. But can you think of any other way to get you into a obligation at the front end of a voluntary system? When you think of it, let me know, and we'll talk about it. Of course, never heard from them again.
[01:53:42] Unknown:
Right. Right.
[01:53:47] Unknown:
But that's one of these Does that help? Tricks. I guess all this tax stuff is coming because we're getting so close to, April. The real Two weeks away. Right. Two weeks away. Yeah. I'm just like Can I have a proper suggestion on the, the, label of today's show be USS Liberty and Odd Tax Circumstances Day?
[01:54:10] Unknown:
Yeah. I can do that. Alright. Good man.
[01:54:14] Unknown:
Mark? Julie, I'm sorry. Well, how could we ignore you? Yeah. Yes, ma'am.
[01:54:18] Unknown:
Hi. Hi, everybody. I hope you're having a nice Saturday. Hey, Mark. Today when you were talking to Michael, you used two terms. One was you said US source, and the second thing you said to him was U. S. Federal source. So you and I were talking recently on this situation I have in DC with rental properties where I own houses and I have people paying me income. And I was trying to ask you if I owe taxes on rental property and you were like, it's a US source, but then today you use US federal source. What's the difference between the two?
[01:54:54] Unknown:
There isn't. That's I'm basically saying the same thing.
[01:54:58] Unknown:
Oh, they're the same thing? Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. And, Julie, let let me stop right there for a second for everybody. This is why I teach concepts Because they'll do crap like this may be label or we mix it up or whatever. But if you really understand the concept, you don't get messed up like that. Don't let them fool you with labels. I think that's why our whole Patriot community has been so ineffective for so many years is they have little tricks like this that they apply. Go ahead. I just wanted to insert that. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you. So, Mark, do you I know you and I have spoken recently. Do
[01:55:43] Unknown:
Not the tenants, but whatever you receive from that government agency. The housing authority that's paying you, if it's coming if you're getting paid directly from the housing authority, then There's tax owed. I believe there's a tax owed on it, and that's from inside the District Of Columbia.
[01:56:01] Unknown:
Now and and that's not And it's a US and it's a US agency. So you not only got geographic, you've got political.
[01:56:10] Unknown:
Exactly. Now if that was a nongovernmental organization, then I would say no, it's not taxable. Or if it's the actual renter who's paying you, that's their income being paid to you, I would say that's not taxable. But if it's coming from a US government agency, such as this housing authority, I believe it's taxable. They're inside the District of Columbia. District of Columbia is under the control of the US government. It is. I mean, they even hire their police there. It's it's really a messed up deal. So Right. I mean, that is that is what we identify as The United States, quote, corporate government Yeah. Is inside the District Of Columbia.
[01:56:58] Unknown:
Yeah. And the head of the whole 10 miles is the speaker of the house.
[01:57:03] Unknown:
Right. But wouldn't you think, Mark, that if this were and I I need to figure out if the district if the just District of Columbia Housing Authority is an actual government agency. I believe that
[01:57:15] Unknown:
It is. It is. It is the government.
[01:57:19] Unknown:
But how would you know that was .org?
[01:57:22] Unknown:
It doesn't matter. It is the federal government. .Org. It's not .gov.
[01:57:28] Unknown:
I don't have an answer for why they registered as a .org, but when I go and look it up not. When I look it up, it says it's a independent government agency, and it is not a nongovernmental organization.
[01:57:41] Unknown:
Okay. It's not a state. My It's not a state. Though. And it's where the federal government is housed, but it's not the federal government. But the federal government, controls it.
[01:57:54] Unknown:
Okay. So that is my first question. My second question is okay. So you I owe I would I would I have $10.99, which is gross income. But when I deduct all of my lawful expenses from that $10.99, it falls way below the filing guideline on what I need to do
[01:58:16] Unknown:
as a as a national. Works. Julie, that's not how that works. It only when you talk about fall below the guidelines, the the government doesn't know that. The IRS doesn't know that. You have to show your deductions.
[01:58:29] Unknown:
Right.
[01:58:30] Unknown:
You still have to show it. If you've got if you've got income that is above I'm talking about gross income. If you've got gross income that is above the requirements for not filing, then you gotta file and show what your exemptions are.
[01:58:46] Unknown:
Okay. So file and show exemptions. And when I file, I only need to file US federal source income. Like, for example, if I have a ten ninety nine from a Virginia, based company that is not located within that is not US source income, that not need to be included. No. No. That's not how this works.
[01:59:12] Unknown:
A ten ninety nine in your name is gonna have to be reported at this point because you've got you've got income that is exempt and you've got income that is not exempt. And you're gonna have to show both of those. That's the way I see it.
[01:59:29] Unknown:
Okay. And then, my last question is you mentioned title eight before. What were those two sections?
[01:59:36] Unknown:
Yeah. Just a second. Let's let the whistleblower finish. Let Paul wrap this up, and then I'll cover that.
[01:59:41] Unknown:
Paul, remember, unusual tax circumstances day. USS Liberty and okay. So thank you. Did turn out into a whole tax,
[01:59:53] Unknown:
program for the most part. Not always the most listenable. Hope hope you weren't a new listener. If you were, you're probably long gone. Anyway,
[02:00:06] Unknown:
we need to schedule. Should it be next Saturday? Next Saturday would be the let's do the whole I'll give you John and Glenn's tax information next Saturday. Okay? That sound alright for everybody? Julie, did you know about
[02:00:23] Unknown:
well, yes. We we should probably mention this program is not in Thanks, Roger. Provide any financial advice. Listeners are urged to consult their own local professional before acting on any information presented here.
[02:00:39] Unknown:
No. So, you know, I'm a national. I can tell them what whatever I would damn feel want to, and they can't come after me. So up yours, bastards. And next Saturday, I'm gonna expose your whole scam all the way back to its origin in December. And we'll go over the whole way it developed, what it is, all these things. And so invite your neighbors. I mean, it ought to be a very topical program next Saturday. See you then, and y'all have a good weekend.
[02:01:12] Unknown:
Okay. Thank you. And so, Mark
[02:01:15] Unknown:
I wanna ask you something else. Did you know about the Liberty before today?
[02:01:21] Unknown:
Yes. I did. I knew the whole story. I watched the whole entire two hour, documentary on rumble rumble, and I was so I was seething. I I was foaming at the brain. Yeah. At the mouth. When was that? Couple of years ago? In the last couple of years? I think it was in the last year or so. It was just horrible, and it was the actual whistleblower that you were talking about today who told the whole entire story. And it was just so but nothing surprises me in this world anymore. It's just utter
[02:01:52] Unknown:
evil. It's amazing. These guys are amazingly evil. Alright. I'll butt out. Go whatever you were gonna ask, Mark.
[02:02:00] Unknown:
I wanna let other people have a chance to ask questions, since you're in high demand, Mark, for your genius brain. So in title eight, you mentioned two sections. What were those sections before? Yeah.
[02:02:13] Unknown:
Okay. You would go to 26 US code section eight seventy one b as in bravo.
[02:02:25] Unknown:
Okay. But I thought you mentioned something before, like a title eight before also when we were talking about Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This this is one that when I first started listening to Roger, he pointed out that eight,
[02:02:39] Unknown:
it's title eight, of the Code of Federal Regulations CFR 1.1-one A21. I'm sorry, a one. Very first paragraph in this, code of federal regulation talks about who has to pay an income tax. And it's a tax on income of every individual who's a citizen or resident of The United States and to the extent provided by sections eight seventy one b or eight seventy seven b on the income of nonresident alien individuals.
[02:03:19] Unknown:
That's not title eight. That's title 26.
[02:03:22] Unknown:
I'm sorry. 26. You're right. You're right. I was looking at the wrong one.
[02:03:26] Unknown:
But 26 c four. This is so easy. You know, there's a fruit down here, and it's called guanabana. And it's starts with g this long day and it's wonderful fruit. And it's but it's hard for gringos when you get down here to be able to say it for one thing and ask for it. So when Scott was here, our buddy Scott that lives in The Philippines now, he was here for a while and he we're in there one day. He says, let me show tell you how you'll never forget that. Anyway, you know that little And you'll never forget it. And I think you can take that same principle and apply it here.
[02:04:14] Unknown:
Yep. When you first said guanamida, that's the first thing that popped in my head. It was first thing before you explained it. Yes. It really
[02:04:27] Unknown:
anti cancer, properties evidently. But it looks like a big green pine pineapple, almost.
[02:04:33] Unknown:
Now, Julie, sorry to interrupt on a fruit tour here. That's okay. That's okay. No. I thought, Mark, that you had mentioned something before. I understand that the title of 26 US code 871877 b and the CFR one dot one dash one a. I understand that. I thought there was something else that you, mentioned before related to taxes, and it was title eight, I think.
[02:04:57] Unknown:
Okay. That was title eight of, USC 11 o one was the definition of a national. I think that's what I was if I said eight, I may have misspoke. But earlier when, lady Linda Louise was talking, she referenced that 11 o one twenty one, and it's actually 11 o one a 21. There's a paragraph a that that that, definition falls under. And that's title eight? Yes. Title eight. Mhmm. Okay. USC 11 o one and then parenthesis a and another parenthesis the number 21
[02:05:42] Unknown:
is the And they couldn't hide it. And they couldn't hide it any deeper than that. Do you understand?
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Yeah. Yeah.
[02:05:50] Unknown:
Okay. That's really been a point of contention. But with the 1940 Webster's University's dictionary and some of the dictionaries that follow that Congress actually uses on the floor of Congress in 1940, it talks about, and I shared that on the show here a while back, that those are the independent lowercase estates that make up the union of The United States Of America.
[02:06:20] Unknown:
Of the capital. Legitimate.
[02:06:22] Unknown:
Yeah. No. No. This is lowercase
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estates. Right? Right. If I'm if I recall correct.
[02:06:30] Unknown:
Yes. But they collectively kind of make up a sense for the big one,
[02:06:37] Unknown:
the big capital letters. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, it's
[02:06:41] Unknown:
like an umbrella.
[02:06:44] Unknown:
Right. Right. And and Cornell law, when you when you look at that paragraph 21 or excuse me, that that definition for 21 about the national, it shows us a lowercase s state. If you click on that, it gives you the upper case s state, which is the federal version of the state, and they have it wrong. They absolutely have that definition wrong for state on Cornell law. Really? Yes. Yes.
[02:07:17] Unknown:
Well Hey, Roger. Well, listen. There's Bob. Two days in. You're welcome, miss Julie. Yeah. Hi, Mike.
[02:07:26] Unknown:
You're welcome, Julie.
[02:07:29] Unknown:
Yeah. To interject here on The US Liberty, I didn't catch the first of the show, but you probably recall that true news, Rick Wiles and company did a Yeah. Expansive interview with survivors and a lot of research. This is, like, four, five, six years ago before a lot of the guys had passed on. And I think it's four CD set. It's like four hours and something long. It's exceptionally good, very well researched, and it's called Sacrificing Liberty. Sacrificing
[02:08:03] Unknown:
Liberty. And it's Right. An exceptionally good project.
[02:08:07] Unknown:
Do they charge for that? You you contact TrueDudes? Yes.
[02:08:12] Unknown:
Yes. It's it's something you pay for, but I think there's some pirated copies running around, but, you know, they're worth they're worth supporting. They don't like the same people we don't.
[02:08:21] Unknown:
I'd I'd I'd say support Rick Wiles if he's put that work in. And I think the thank you, Bob, for pointing that out. I do like them. I don't look at them probably as much as I should. But, hey, Joan. What you got, sweetie?
[02:08:38] Unknown:
Hey. Hey, Bob. Hey, Roger. Let us know when Alex Jones has Trump and Musk on talking about what they're gonna do about Israel attacking American sailors on the USS Liberty. Let us know. We got
[02:08:54] Unknown:
I'll call a special program to announce that. Yeah. Thank you. But the more pressures put on, like, I guarantee you, the people from Trump and the White House watch Infowars. They watch all of it. And they're seeing these things. And Owen and Harrison are both really pressing the issue, if you will. Alex still, yes, no, this, that, and the other, and and and switches vacillates a bit. But, the other two are pretty well firm in the let's expose this. The younger generation, whatever the generation is or they've labeled it, they are not in favor of Israel. And that was a lot of the backlash on TikTok when they wanted TikTok banned. It you know, Greg, Trump wanted it banned back when first time around, and that's controversial, but it's grown. And what caused them to ban TikTok, and I mean quickly, when it came out was that the young people were seeing all this stuff in Gaza and were becoming anti Israeli.
But I said I forget what the statistic that the guy from the ADL put out. Like, fifteen minutes on TikTok is two degrees antisemitism or something. But that's when they came in there and put some kind of content scrolls on that. They are hyper sensitive of anything coming out bad right now, And it's pretty getting pretty obvious, quite frankly. And so the more things like Owen's interview with this, the the guy Phil, and and the part, the new part of the Infowars audience because they're they're gaining a lot of listeners, folks, that they never had before every day. We're all growing.
Okay? So, anyway, that that that's what I like is the silent pressure on these people. Except for I'll get it down off my soapbox.
[02:11:03] Unknown:
Whoever else got some It's Chris from California. Hey, Chris. It's Chris from California. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering, Mark, how can I get in touch with you?
[02:11:15] Unknown:
My email that most people reaching through is straw man, s t r a w m a n, just like it sounds, all one word, strawman@mark,allcaps,.com. That's m a r k a l l c a p s dot com, and it does not have to be capitalized.
[02:11:41] Unknown:
Got it. Thank you. You're welcome.
[02:11:45] Unknown:
Okay. So anybody else got anything for me? I think I might go start my weekend, my abbreviated weekend here.
[02:11:52] Unknown:
Yep. Roger, the that that piece that, True News did on the Liberty really gets into the human toll they put on these guys after. I mean, they did for secrecy, they had the crew retrieve the crew out of that ship's spalls after they got it back in port. Those guys had to pick up the pieces of their buddies, you know, instead of having somebody else do it Right. Who wouldn't have been associated with these men. They just for secrecy reasons, and then they scattered them to the wind after it was all over.
[02:12:37] Unknown:
Yes. So sorry for my outward vigilante attitude on these bastards. I really hate them. There's no way to deal with them except the way they prescribe, and you know what I'm talking about. So, anyway, that's my feelings. Many years of study. Yes.
[02:12:59] Unknown:
Sketch. We should yes. I think next year, we should, Candace Owens Van, semi of the year this year. But next year, I think we should
[02:13:11] Unknown:
send emails to the ADL and and Yeah. Well, they won't they won't name us. They won't name us, buddy. But let me tell you what. That is an idea that's been in the back of my mind here lately is to reach out to Kansas Owens and say, you wanna see how they use your people to enslave everybody? You think this information might piss her off a bit?
[02:13:33] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Really? That's a great idea, Roger.
[02:13:37] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Real quick before you go. Yesterday on the local news channel, they were talking to some, students who've been, who were protesting the the Palestinian conflict over there. Right. And, well, really ethnic cleansing the state of Israel is conducting on the Palestinians. They're just murders. And amazingly enough, she says, we're not anti Semitic. We're anti Zionist. And I've fell Yes. Fell out of my chair because he's the only one that I've ever heard say that.
[02:14:14] Unknown:
Identify them where you can identify them and call them away from the Jewish people. That's hard why we use that term, parasite, is because Yeah. They they run and jump behind their mama's skirt every time. Well, here, we're gonna isolate you out and identify you, and you ain't got nowhere to hide, and that's Pharisee. Right.
[02:14:38] Unknown:
You know? And and that's where, you know, the Bible talks about the wheat and the tares, and they talk about the fake Jews. So we're not talking about the true Hebrew Israelites that that are the apple of God's eye. We're talking about the the fake Jew Zionists that have infiltrated and co oped that entire, I know, I won't say community, but that religion and that group of people that Let me see. Let let me help you.
[02:15:09] Unknown:
Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political movement masquerading as a religion.
[02:15:19] Unknown:
Nice. Nice.
[02:15:21] Unknown:
Hey, Roger. Break the yes, sir, Bob.
[02:15:25] Unknown:
I had to chuckle there a couple days ago. You were talking about oh, and by the way, Mark, that's exceptional hearing that somebody in this younger generation is coming in with the idea that they understand Zionist versus Jew or anti Semitism. And in that anti Semitism, you know, we've we've heard the idea that antisemitism doesn't mean somebody that hates Jews. It's somebody that Jews hate. Yeah. Yeah. And when you were saying that so, Brian. They were having some they were having some okay. So, Brian, they were having that conference, you know, and you were commenting on the fact that there was they had to cancel it because there were too many people that were anti Semitic.
And I think that, well, why did they invite people they don't like?
[02:16:08] Unknown:
Yes. That's fine. There what what what was his other one? He had two that were really good, that being one of them. What was his first name, Victor? Joseph Sobram.
[02:16:20] Unknown:
Joseph. There you go.
[02:16:22] Unknown:
Antisemitism is not who who hate Jews. An antisemitism is not someone who hates Jews. It's someone who Jews hate.
[02:16:31] Unknown:
And, that was the other one.
[02:16:33] Unknown:
It's so good. Anyway, I can't think of it. You guys have a great weekend. Bob, the last couple of times you're talking to us, you're crystal clear. Are you you're not out in the field. You're at home?
[02:16:46] Unknown:
No. I'm on an old flip four g phone out in the middle of the woods.
[02:16:51] Unknown:
And it works better than my other phone. Well, it's a the fidelity on it's excellent compared to usual. So
[02:16:59] Unknown:
keep on If this was made in Japan, that's probably better than the ones made in China. How's that? Probably.
[02:17:04] Unknown:
Could be. Probably. So, thank you for joining us today. I'm damn sure you were along today. It's been a long show because, you you bring a lot of valuable additional assets to the table and to the group here. I'm very Thank you, Roger. I try. I'm not perfect, but, you know, I'm sure I'm trying my best. We're all growing together. It's and we're a team, and I try and, you know, structure it that way. And most of the time, it operates that way. But, anyway, Paul, you don't forget the label, and, I'll see y'all on Monday. We'll see what the hell happens over the weekend, I guess.
[02:17:44] Unknown:
Prayers and blessings
[02:17:46] Unknown:
to you. Thank you, mister Sketch. See you Monday morning.
[02:17:49] Unknown:
Bye. See you, Mark. Thanks, man. Bye bye, Roger. Talk to you later. Bye bye.
[02:17:58] Unknown:
And so It's a trick. It is. We always use it.
[02:18:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It's a trick. We always use it. Alright. That's Yeah. Hold on. Cool. Edition of the Radio Ranch, with Roger Sales. And today's guest host, Mark in all caps, Stromion, yeah, @Mark,allcaps,.com, is his email address. Not that he needs any more emails. He gets plenty like me. Catch us here Monday through Saturday, 11AM to 1PM eastern. And for more information on the topics discussed, go to the matrixdocs.com, and, you can find interviews, downloadable resources, links, exhibits, a plethora of stuff, especially the links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show and the links to eurofolkradio.com and Global Voice Radio Network. Thank you so much for being with us. We'll see you back here Monday when the first hour, John Kasarab cohosts with Roger.
And you really don't know what they could be talking about. It really could be anything. Thanks so much. I'm out of here. Have a great day. Bye now. Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network. Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle. Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.
[02:19:23] Unknown:
Bye
Introduction and Welcome
Host Introduction and Platform Update
Discussion on Media and Infowars
USS Liberty Incident Overview
Details of the USS Liberty Attack
Aftermath and Cover-Up of USS Liberty
Listener Questions and Tax Discussions
Trusts and Asset Protection
Episode Wrap-Up and Closing Remarks
