In this episode of the Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles, we delve into the intricacies of national versus U.S. citizenship, exploring the legal and historical contexts that define these statuses. Roger and his guests discuss the implications of filing an affidavit to declare oneself a national, the historical roots of the feudal system, and how these concepts are intertwined with modern legal frameworks. The conversation also touches on the practical aspects of asserting national status, such as purchasing firearms without a waiting period and navigating legal challenges related to vehicle registration and personal rights.
Listeners are treated to a deep dive into the philosophical and legal underpinnings of citizenship, with references to historical cases, legal definitions, and personal anecdotes from callers who have navigated these complex issues. The episode serves as a comprehensive guide for those interested in understanding the nuances of citizenship, the power of affidavits, and the broader implications of legal status in the United States.
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Alrighty, man. We we wanna change it. We wanna change it so bad. We're working on Saturday. So here we go on the, Saturday edition of the, Radio Ranch Roger Sales. And it's for those new folks out there that may be gainfully employed, that have a day off on Saturday and questions that they just can't wait to ask. We're here for you. So, it's the June 7, and, we probably got the light compliment today. Oh, yes. I would imagine, Paul. Is that correct?
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Yeah. It's very, very light. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on Global Voice Radio Network. That's my pet project radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And, we're connected to free conference call with a thousand seats. Links to FCC, Global Voice, and Eurofoker on our website, thematrixstocks.com. We don't have, any need to stop midway at the, top of the end of the hour, because WBOU is not with us today. So Alright.
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So, they're not used they're not with us on Saturday usually. No. Not usually. Alright. You know, it's interesting. I was just thinking before the show, it's, kinda surprising that we haven't had more, David Strait refugees. I would have thought the people that followed him might be looking for another source and stumble upon us here. We could see if we could straighten them out a little bit, but I don't believe we've had any of those, have we? I don't know. I think they I think they keep their,
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their people pretty tightly controlled. Oh,
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well, they don't have a leader. Okay. Well, maybe they're all switching over to that other guy. Okay.
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Yeah. But just like, you know, old man Rothschild, I mean, he died, but still the crap keeps on coming. You know, there's the underlings, the foot soldiers.
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Could be. Could be. Well, anyway, just a thought that crossed my mind here. Saturday looks beautiful. We had a little, almost like a wintery day yesterday. Cool last night, but we got nice sunshine this morning. Excuse me. So, anyway, I slept in just a little bit this morning, so I'm a bit behind the eight ball. We've had some, interesting new folks on here lately. We had Josh on yesterday, the Christy's friend, and hear his story. And, I don't know if he's back with us today or not, but he's a very, he's so immersed himself in. He was a graduate of George Gordon. That would tell me that he's got some pretty firm footing, and foundations. Although George you know, once again, George didn't understand that he did not incorporate the feudal system into what he did. And, again, if you don't as Glenn said so accurately, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system, you'll, for the most part, never do anything but a shadow box with it. I believe we've seen that evidence.
Mhmm. So, anyway, let's see. Was there anybody any new folks out there that might have a question or comment this morning? Start us off. If you would, just unmute and, give us, give us your name. We'd love to have a conversation with you here on Saturday morning if it's not too early for you. So anybody like that out there in the audience today?
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Hey,
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Roger. Of that. Well, there's somebody right there. See? Yes, sir?
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Roger, this is Tom in Los Angeles.
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Hello, Tom. How are you doing?
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I'm doing well. We've we've talked a couple of times. I just, I I filed my paperwork, and I'm still trying to learn and trying to, get my understanding to a place where I can teach it to other people. Okay. And I just have a quick question for you. Okay. Great, Tom. We'll,
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whip it on us.
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The one is when you what why do you say it's my intention to be a national and not a citizen of The United States versus
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saying I am a national and not a Well, either one of those, you're not gonna get any word specific stuff in here, that they're gonna say, no. You use that word. That's not right. Well, it's your intent. I wanna be a national. My intention is to be a national, and that's why you're sending in that affidavit, isn't it?
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Well, I thought I I don't really know, like, legal,
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language. But
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Well, you're not supposed to be held the legal language. You're you're called a national. Well, you're you're not a lawyer. You're not held the legal language. You're a civilian. Yes. Okay. So that's one thing.
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But, yeah, I just I just was curious, like, to my intention seems like it's not actualized.
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Well, it is when you're sending in the affidavit. So you're making an official statement. You couldn't go into court and go, I'm a national. There that's not gonna make any difference because you can't you haven't done it the right way from the top down. You can't do it from the bottom up. So your intent and desire, you wanna be a national, you want them to recognize that your intent is to finalize it and official their way of only recognition is to put some kind of a statement that rebuts the presumption. So here's where the language thing comes in. It doesn't matter what you say as long as you rebut the presumption that you've answered those questions and agreed with their fraud your whole life. So see, you're it's that's where the rubber meets the road right there.
Coming. Here here's the other here here's the other side of it. You could go on the one page on the state department website, travel.state.gov, and go there to the certificate of noncitizen nationality. And down at the bottom is a one sentence disclaimer. Well, it says it's for Northern Mariana, whatever, but it just says, I, Tom from California, do, solemnly swear that and I was like, I'm a national and not a citizen in The United States. Well, it's very definitive there. Okay? But that's just one sentence can can wipe away all of this.
So it's not what you say necessarily as long as it rebuts the presumption you've agreed with your whole life. That's the way I understand. Gotcha.
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Okay.
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Okay?
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Yes. Paul? An affidavit is a statement of fact. It is a sworn statement of fact. Your intent to be a national is a fact that you were putting forward.
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Mhmm.
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So if you claim yourself to be a national, you know, I am a national and not a citizen of The United States, that puts a presumption that can be that could be rebutted, but there's no way they can rebut your intent. No. Correct. No way. You know,
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also, we used to approach this differently, Tom, from a black and a white issue. And, so we would say in the old affidavit that John and Glenn wrote up that I used for many years is my parents were white from time out of mind, etcetera, etcetera. So what you're doing there is you're inferring that you're not in the black federal citizenship category. K? Because we used to think it was either or back then. But there there's another way of putting it. It says I that way, I am not this. So you're really putting up them, situation where they have to they have to go after, a negative. They have to disprove a negative, and it's almost impossible to disprove a negative, but they never objected to that either.
So it it all all and that's as I've realized it as I've gotten deeper into it and thought this through more over the years that the whole thing runs on presumption. And it's that presumption that, a, we had a presumption of law is a presumption based upon another fact. That's the legal definition. Mhmm. So what they've done is they went in and back a hundred almost a hundred years ago, and they pulled this bankruptcy off in the bond market. Okay? And so then under that presumption that there's a bankruptcy in the bond market, and here's the status where they had set up where people, they have an object of a property right in them, and they just moved everybody into that.
And they never asked you permission and they never told you they were doing it. And because the feudal system is hidden underneath it, you've got this generational contract from, from whoever your lineage was at that point when they got put into it than when they started having children. Through the generations, they've all been born into it. Now they come and ask you the question, are you this? Are you this? And you say yes, being, fooled and this being fraud and sign something. Well, that gives them in their minds remember, they don't think like we do. And in their minds, that gives them plausible deniability.
K? Right. So as long as you're answering those questions and signing something, man, hey. Hey. Hell, Tom. I ought to know what he is. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. And you answered a yes and signed it. I didn't hold a gun at your head to do it. So there's your voluntary servitude, and you're going in and rebutting that presumption that you've done that erroneously all your life, your adult life. And what you're really doing underneath is you're presenting them with their fraud. And because fraud vitiates any contract, this is a contract, although one people never seen before, didn't know about, and it vitiates that ab initio or from the beginning. So that's why they've got to recognize this.
K? But that's really what you're doing. It's not the language. It's not on pro pay, pro persona, and papyrus and everything else. It's just that you're rebutting this presumption that's based on fraud, and now they gotta recognize it. If they don't, there's one other option for them. They take the mask off and be open tyrants. They were close to that during the Biden administration, and that's how they like to operate. They want you confused. They want you to think they've got all this power that you've erroneously given them fraudulently.
And so that's why they have to recognize that we've got these son bitches in the damn corner, man.
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Yeah. It's it it definitely seems like that.
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Now I, I have a friend who's very intelligent and a very successful lawyer. And Yeah. He is horrified. He thinks you're that I've kind of He thinks you're crazy. Yeah. Very crazy. And I said, well, this is the perfect opportunity. If if if I can't put it in writing and and this and lay out the logic and lay out the evidence, because he is reasonable
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Okay.
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That, you know, we we I should be able to do that. And so I read the, the handbook twice, which I feel like that citizen's handbook is a very good logical Yeah. Yes. Presentation of of the path. It's just a little bit too long. I can't sit him down and make him read the whole thing. So I'm trying to Right.
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Okay. Well, let me see if I can give you for me. Let me give you another approach. Once you go to that website that we talked about just a ago and
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ask him I'm there right now. Yet
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about in that whichever one you choose on that certificate of noncitizen nationality, there's some of them it's it's the paragraph. Some of them, it's the So I don't know which version you're looking at. But if you'll look at the or the paragraph in that, it's a policy statement from the state department. Now what it is let me tell you. Have you read through that or you've heard us discuss this before? Yes. Yes. Well, then you're a little bit ahead of the game. You know, the paragraph we're looking for, it says according to the INA, that's the immigration naturalization act that's been kicked around quite a bit here lately. According to the INA, all, a L l, US citizens are US nationals.
But only a few nationals, now we get to the American Samoans, are not US citizens. So they say in an official policy statement from the state department that a US citizen and US national are the same thing, don't they? All US citizens are US nationals. Aren't they saying they're the same thing?
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Yes.
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And then it differentiates the the American Samoans after that. Well, does the state department, policy department, do they not know what the hell they're talking about?
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Yeah. It's a very interesting paragraph. I'm looking at it right now.
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Okay. Now the rest of that policy statement, this is the deal. They say, well, we keep getting these requests for this noncitizen nationality thing. And, you know, Tom, the, cost of paper and ink has become so absorbent that we just don't issue those anymore. We can give 360,000,000,000 to the Ukrainians, but we can't afford this little certificate here for you. So we're just asking you to go get a passport. And if an American Samoan gets a passport in the visa section on the page, there's a big black stamp that says this person's not a citizen of The United States. Mhmm. Ours ours are d have you got your passport back yet?
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No. I sent in, my DS82,
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last week. Okay. Well, when you get it back, yours will not have that in there. Right. Okay. Now go down to the bottom, and it goes through and tells them get a passport. Then they go underneath that, and they break down some sections of the INA. And about the paragraph so one of them says in three zero eight, I believe, and it makes one simple statement. A national owes total allegiance to a small less state.
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Mhmm.
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K. Now with that with a keyword there, there's a couple of keywords, national, allegiance, and small less state. Mhmm. So a national is total allegiance. Have you gotten to the point and you could ask your high end lawyer? And these are just concepts they don't teach in law schools anymore. So if he doesn't know it, it it's par for the course. Alright? The formula for jurisdiction keys on that word allegiance. And it's from the feudal system, and it goes back to the time when the feudal system started and people were looking for protection, and the land owners were looking for protection also. But if they were gonna have somebody there, they want allegiance.
So it's this formula, allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance. It's automatic and it's reciprocal, which means even in that one sentence right there and I can tell you show you where it comes from too.
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The word allegiance on the tangent find where
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sorry. Where you said jurisdiction is tied to allegiance and and which is tied to Well, this is where did I back your well, your your your, friend is a high end lawyer. He's no doubt got Westlaw and Nexus and Lexus and stuff, and he can go look it up. There was a case. Mark, Mark, you with us today? Mark found a case that's got it in there. Yeah. But that is this is Yeah. Are you there, Mark?
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Yeah. Barely.
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If you'll give me a couple of seconds. I'm trying to get Okay. Well,
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alright. Okay. Get running. Go get Alright. Go get a cup of coffee. We'll we'll we're here for two hours. We'll go go get your eyes open, come back, and we can feed Tom this information. But it comes from the feudal system. The reason, Tom, that I've been successful at this that nobody else has been is because my teacher was John w Benson, a man who loved the law and studied the law his whole life. And so the that's where all these things come from that none of these lawyers and judges know. Like, you could ask, here, ask your friend this. What's the legal concept behind the meaning of the word person?
Ask him that. I'll
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ask him. What what I appreciated about him when we were talking yesterday is he said it's it's all patriot mythology. You need to be really careful. Not. No. It's not. And I said, but and I said we were talking about resident and citizen, and I said, but the legal definition of resident is based on jurisdiction. And he said, oh, you know, BS. And then he looked it up and he goes, oh my gosh. So I feel like if I can if I can state the case with evidence, like, citing all the evidence and all the definitions, I think he can he could appreciate it.
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Well, some some may and some may not. And definition
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would be great.
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Okay. Well, I don't know if you're ever gonna see it hammered out just like that. Maybe we could find it, but the problem is here's the problem that we're we're facing. In, that book, the 31 collective speeches of Louis t McFadden. I know you haven't had a chance to read that. Probably don't even know who Louis t McFadden was. Right?
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I've heard you mention him. Yeah. He was the guy who was, a senator, I believe, and he was He was on the banking committee, and he knew all about the Federal Reserve.
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Well, he was a former banker from, I think, the Northeast Part Of Pennsylvania was his district. He was a very unusual he wasn't a politician. This guy's a statesman. Okay? And, in fact, the last time that he got elected, he was nominated in his district by the Republicans, the Democrats, and the populist party. All three pop all three parties nominated the same guy. Is that unusual?
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Right. And it was he was he murdered?
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Yes. time. And, he was a banker, worked his way up to the president of the bank, and then decided to run to congress back in about '16 1916, somewhere along in there from the minute he got elected because the house back then had a banking committee. They, the people should have a banking committee in their house, shouldn't they? And, they put him as president, head of that committee, and when he was and he was that way till they killed him in the thirties. Yeah. But, Lewis t McFadden, and there was a said, where was I going with this?
You get in, I wanna give you a background so this what I'm gonna tell you, and then I forget what I was gonna tell you. Anyway, McFadden's, McFadden's speeches there are from the house. You can hear applause, applause, applause. One of his famous speeches is Yeah. The Jews have all the gold and the Gentiles have all the paper. And, he made some real interest. I read that book because one of the early books I read, it went way over my head, because there's a lot of technical stuff in there. But, but I remembered a lot of it, and I incorporated a lot of it in my book, actually.
And, McFadden, what was I gonna tell you? It's so important about him. Dad coming. Maybe it'll come back to me in a But, anyway, that book is the Fadden thing. I do have a question. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. Yeah. In that book, he talks in one of his speeches, he talks about how the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools moved their annual convention to Chicago on New Year's Eve. I think so. I'm sure it's the only time they've ever done it. And, so that a little Jew named Jacob Frank from the Department of Agriculture could come and give a speech called experimental jurisprudence and the new deal.
And he referred to it in one of his speeches in congress. So I went and looked it up, and I was doing shows with Al Attis back then. You probably don't know who he is, but, Al, I I sent Al that, that speech, and he came back and said, that's the damn that's the the most damning piece of government paper I've ever seen. So we know that they have got the power through the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools to move their annual convention to Chicago on New Year's Eve. Why why would they do that? So that nobody would hear that speech. But they could say they gave the speech. So that tells you that the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools has already infiltrated, doesn't it? Do you think that they may control curriculum in law schools?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. K. So when your friend can't tell you what the legal concept is behind the word person, that's wise. They don't teach a lot of these concepts in law schools. They have they these guys are like the, the famous, and I don't know which one they were, the Sioux or one of the great tracking, tribes out west. And they would go up, let's say, they go up to the top of the hill, and they look over in the basin and see, Custer and the cavalry over there. Right? And count them. And then they turn around and back out with a brush and brush their footprints out.
That's what these guys do. That's what these guys do. Right. They're very slick. K? That's why they've got this, definition of resonant. Can you find it that it goes back to ambassadorial law? If you dig deep enough, you can. But, you'll never see it on the surface. And it's that and the combination of how they've taken these words like resonant and then very cleverly put a Pavlovian opposite definition in your mind so that you answer those questions wrong.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So there's a lot here that you can't just look at the surface without understanding some of this background and say, well, where is the formula for jurisdiction? Well, you can find it, but, boy, you gotta dig. And it's just like I said earlier. This is Glenn, my other teacher, who's very bright, by the way, and very schooled at this stuff. California boy, actually. He said, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system, you'll never do anything but shadow box with it. And that is absolutely totally true. And if you don't believe me, look at the patriot community for thirty years. And now here's Mark. Now Mark stumbled in this case, and it's on your question, protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection.
Mark, you wanna, meet Tom here and say hello?
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Hey, Tom. This is Mark and the straw man. I'm very anti patriot mythology, such as the gold fringe flag and a bunch of other stuff like that. Yeah.
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And that we're under out with the law on all that. It started in your trust class. Oh, okay, Tom. Okay. Great.
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So, you know, you may already know, but, you know, for the listening audience, you know, I'm a, practicing paralegal with, you know, almost twenty five years experience now. I've, my research and writing is directly responsible for winning four appeals in four different states in four different areas of law. So I've got a little bit of, research savvy behind me, even on topics that I don't have a lot of knowledge about initially, I can certainly quickly look up and and see what the, you know, the case might be. But, you know, right early right on early with Roger, you know, we kept talking about allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance.
And so, Google Scholar is a tremendous free search engine that you can find cases under. And so I started with the Supreme Court and all the Circuit Court of Appeals except for DC, and I found a case called Minor, that's m I n o r, versus Happersett, h a p p e r s e t t, tango tango on the end. And that's 88 US one sixty two.
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Okay. 88
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US one sixty two, that's a Supreme Court decision from 1875, or as my friend Joe in Oklahoma called it, an opinion. So it was the opinion of the sup US Supreme Court Mhmm. In this case. And one of the one of the paragraphs read this, and I and I just I love it, for for a couple of different reasons. But listen to this. This is very powerful. There cannot be a nation without a people. The very idea of a political community such as the nation is implies an association of persons for the promotion of their general welfare. Each one of the persons associated becomes a member of the nation formed by the association.
He owes it allegiance and is entitled to his protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other. Allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance.
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Yeah. And and how do we tie that back to to jurisdiction,
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Roger, like you said? Okay. Well, I'm that's why I was pointing you towards that document because it says that right there. Now let me tell you the origin of that statement. I was I was after the book was published, I was, doing a exchange with Larry Beecraft. Do you do you have any do you know about mister Beecraft? No. He's a pretty famous, tax attorney from Alabama. He's won some real big decisions over the years, and he just he's like your friend in a sense. Your friend seems open minded if you can show him something, but Beecraft's just not. He's and see, because they don't teach these concepts in their law schools, these people that are lawyers don't know these things and can't think outside the box.
Brent, our Brent Winters is kind of like that to an extent. Like your doctor doesn't tell you anything about, eating and diet, and your dentist didn't tell you a damn thing about mercury fillings in your teeth. Okay. Same same principle. And so they get through those courses and they just can't imagine, I guess, subconsciously, if they weren't taught this and they haven't heard it come up and this not mentioned because the bad guys don't want us to know about this, that it exists. But it works. Okay? And if it didn't, why have they recognized it for fourteen years and there's never been a case of blowback? You know?
Why are they telling the passport kids inside? And they've we've had this yesterday. You were probably working. Had this yesterday, and the guy called up the passport office, and he got a guy on. He said, yeah. You're you're a national. And then he says, well, what can you tell me what that means to you? He goes, oh, yeah. You don't have to follow any of the statutes and codes anymore. That came from somebody inside the passport office. And he said, the time we've heard this, he said, I just went through a class on how to process this paperwork correctly ten days ago. K? So, anyway, this came from a conversation with Larry Beecraft on the book after it was published and the word national. And Larry shot me back a link to a piece of legislation that's in the public, the statutes at large, and it's called the Nationality Act of 1940.
K. So what are we Okay. Just looking at that on the surface, what does that tell you? Well, it's right at the start of World War two. Well, okay. I know these guys pretty well by now. When when do they do things that are real important? When everybody's distracted. Yeah. So that's when this came and what this is the official point that I can find where you see the word national. And so they got this big big piece of legislation, the Nationality Act of 1940, and it's page upon page and all this stuff. Well, right underneath that title, the Nationality Act of 1940, there's definitions.
And the very definition, definition a, is that statement. A nationalist total allegiance to a small less state. And then there's a couple of other ones that go on to further define it. And, so here's what's going on. This is something I've figured out too over the years. It just hit me a few years ago. They always put the hook at the just like that. Definition a. So you're sitting there to read a big stack of this legislation. Are you gonna be really paying attention when you start reading it? Probably not.
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Okay?
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So they always put the hook at the front, amendment, all persons born. There it is, feudal system. Bam. Over on the tax thing, 26 CFR, 1.1 dash one a, one point one dash one a. Could it be any closer? It's on the top right of the page when you open up the cover, and this is a MO of theirs. They always put the hook at the front because they know you're not gonna see it. Oh, god. I gotta read this whole thing and you're getting into that mindset and, bam, you're already past the hook. They gotcha. Yeah. They're slick, man. They're very, very slick. Can I ask you one more question? Oh, you can ask me questions for the rest of the show today. Yeah.
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So I found you through, Daniel Mintz in Los Angeles. Okay. Right. And I asked him the question, you know, the the casserion tricksters that seem to have put this whole system together, the the slaving system. Yeah. They they're not honorable. They don't have to be honorable according to their religious text text. Correct. And they've murdered many people like Louis McFadden. You know, you can kinda go down the list.
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How about all of the The question is war dead. How about all the war dead since the civil war?
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Yeah. And I asked them, well, you know, why wouldn't they come after people opting out of their slave system? And he his opinion was that the people they've murdered were US citizens and therefore property, and therefore, they didn't have a a karmic blowback. Whereas nationals, it would be immoral to to murder or to, defraud, I guess. And I was just curious, it's an opinion, it's interesting, but I was just curious, were you, like, how do you understand their sense of honor? Because they're honoring the national status over the last fourteen years, but they don't have to honor, and they haven't honored many No. Things that they have. To. They do have to.
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See, they can control a lot of things, but they cannot change mammoth things underneath. They can distract you and lie to you, but they can't come back and obfuscate. They can obfuscate it. They can hide it under different titles and all this stuff we talk about as we unravel it, but they can't change it. Here's an here's another perfect example for you. If you go to the law library, there's there's three sets of law books in the law library. We've got the statutes at large, we mentioned a moment ago. You've got the United States code, which is only the Roman civil code. And then you've got the stat the code of federal regulations, the administrative states little laws, they call them. Yeah. So if you go to that, law library and you go get the volume of the statutes at large and open up the front cover, what do you think you see?
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I don't know.
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Well, the thing you see is the Declaration of Independence. And the thing you see is the articles of Confederation. And the thing you see are the Northwest Ordinances, and the thing is the Constitution. This is the primary set of law books in the law library, and those four documents are at the of volume one. What does that tell you?
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Yeah. That they are important.
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Well, they're law they're still law. See, the they they can't change those things. All they can do is veneer over them. And they've got a lot of power, but the power they've got is what they what we're giving them in this little tip. If there's one thing that I've come away from this and I preach at people that are here normally is you've got the power. You've got the decision to live under whatever set of laws you wanna live under in this world, and they can't stop you. And if they try to stop you or if they try to tell you you're something else, then that's tyranny, isn't it? It's open tyranny.
Well, they they know better than that. They know what happens to open tyrants throughout history. They know a lot better than we do. That's why they went to all this trouble over many decades to set this thing up to get you to answer those two questions, yes, and give them your agreement. You didn't enter into the contract.
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How do they justify killing Lewis McFadden?
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That's terrible. Well, they've killed a whole bunch of people. They got him the time at the Waldorf Astoria in New York at a banquet. They poisoned him, their favorite their favorite form.
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They've killed him. So they are tyrants. I I still understand how they're tyrants some of the time, but then they honor
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Well, they're only tyrants when they've got you. They're they're they're only tyrants when you haven't filed an affidavit.
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Yeah.
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And I know it's hard to believe. Okay. Look. We have that comment on here all the time. It's just hard to believe. And it's also hard to believe when you really get into it and understand it, how simple it is. It's simple as hell.
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But do you think if losing to McFadden was a national and filed an affidavit, they wouldn't have killed him?
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Oh, boy. That's a that's a good question. I can't speak for their minds at that point. But, I remember they hadn't started. They had not implemented the full program in his day. They couldn't really implement the full program until after 1954 with Brown versus Board of Education because that took the two statuses and made them together like it says, all US citizens are US nationals. Now they can just ask you. That overcame have have have you heard us talk about Plessy v v Ferguson, Tom?
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Yes.
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Okay. Well, that was separate but equal. That was the Supreme Court precedent. They had to recognize it. That e basically, it it validated the Jim Crow laws even though Jim Crow was not a black and a white issue, except that the white people were the nationals and the black people were mostly the new federal citizens. It was a political status issue, the whole Jim Crow thing.
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They were saying nationals and and US citizens were separate but equal?
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Yes. That's what Plessy said. Got it. K. Yeah. Okay. And so they had to overcome that. All the British just hold on. They had to overcome that. Okay? And so the way they overcame it was ran up this busing situation. It got everybody pissed off. They sent it up to the supreme court. Thurgood Marshall was the prosecutor, the, NAACP. And after they got this decision, which overturned Plessy, it's not separate but equal anymore. Now it's equal in the classroom, equal in the society. So they equalized the two statuses. Now they could have just as easily said equal in the white country club, equal in the society, but they didn't. They lowered it to the federal citizen one, k, of busing and putting blacks and whites and white and black. Well, what that overcame Plessy, and that's where they could only ask you one side of the equation. What if they ask you your whole life, Tom, are you a US citizen or a national?
What would you have done Yeah. What would you have done then?
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Well, yeah. What are what what's the difference?
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Well, yeah. What is this national thing? Okay. Well, that's why why they did that. And so as I figured that out finally a few years ago, because I thought it was different. And, and I kept getting fifty four fifty four fifty four. What in the hell? Bam. It hit me. And I went and looked sixty days to the day after Brown v Board's decision or opinion, if you will. Don't get don't get, all all jacked up over that. So, anyway, sixty days after that, they put the 1954 internal revenue code in place, and that's what we're under still. So there's the real answer to board is they had to get it simplified where they could ask you the one question.
Now we got you in the tax code. That you just see it if you look at it on a timeline.
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That makes sense. Friend is difficult as he's gonna say, it's Patriot Mythology to say that Brown versus Board of Education is about nationals and US citizens. You're making a jump.
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Well, I'm not. Because if you go to Brown versus Board of Education, what do they all say? It overturned Plessy v Ferguson. It it overturned the evil Plessy. That's how they say it. But I gotta read it. I'm gonna read it and see because till they won't, it was outrage. It was Okay. I don't it probably won't. And I don't know. Remember, you gotta remember, they don't think like we think. Okay? And they do these things and scheme them to get a a to get an object outcome. Alright? Now what else is important about that? It was after that case, guess what happened to Thurgood Marshall? What? He got appointed to the Supreme Court. That's Clarence Thomas's spot now.
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Of course.
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Okay. Now, Bruce, what do you got to add?
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Trading with the enemy act.
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Okay. Trading with the enemy act. Yeah. Well, I will. Thank you. Are are you familiar with, doctor Gene Schroeder's opus called Trading with the Enemy Act? It's on our website, Tom.
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That's something Yeah. I didn't I haven't watched the whole thing, but, yeah, it's about about the bankruptcy.
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Oh, yeah. And there's 85 different exhibits in there. K? So if your friend will sit down and watch that, he'll get the absolute proof of the bankruptcy. You can't deny it. Okay. Even attorney can't deny 85 different exhibits for God's sakes. And, and then you could go to another couple of different ways. You could take your friend to Black's law dictionary and go, let's go look under the bank holiday in 1933. Have you ever looked at that, Tom? No. Okay. Well, if you go into blacks and look at it, it'll say, well, the bank's closed for five days and blah blah blah blah blah, and then they reopened under regulations by the secretary of the treasury.
Okay. So what's wrong with that? of all, there wasn't a secretary of the treasury before that. He's the, he's the trustee in bankruptcy. And there were no regulations because there'd never been agencies before. So there's your regulations. That's the birth of the deep state right there as they change the money because that's what happened. They changed the system. Men that use gold to buy things and no one has a property ownership on them, they can then own the things they buy, and they pay the bill with real money. Right?
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Mhmm.
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Well, now after the banks changed, they issued paper money and they had regulations and and the paper money is debt. Because you see now slaves can't pay bills and own things because someone has a property right in them. They can discharge the debt and they can have control of the things, but they don't own them. That's why your car, if you own it, has a certificate of title. That's why your house, even though it may be paid off and you don't pay the property taxes, can be sold on the courthouse steps. Free people pay for things and pay debts and own things.
Slaves discharge the debt with other debt, and they can control things.
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If you use debt to to buy something, you don't own it. That's what you just that's what you're saying?
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Yeah. You well, you'd not only don't you own it, you can't own it. You can't own anything because someone's got already got a property right in you. This is another one of those words that we may need to mess with a little bit here and further define. And because there's another one a lot of people don't understand is property. So if if, a property is a right and the definition is in into a thing. So the car would be a thing, and your property is the right of ownership in into the thing. You can drive it. You can wreck it. You can paint it. You can sell it. You can do anything you want.
Okay? So that so then you can still do that, but you'll never get true ownership because you don't it doesn't give you a title. The title is the manufacturer's MSO, manufacturer statement of origin. Yeah. Okay. So that's just another example of all these twin definitions and and that kind of stuff. But, and the fact that well, let me tell you a story about John, my teacher. So he studied the law his whole life. He out of the old books, not out of law schools. Okay? And so, that's why he knows that's why he knew all these concepts to teach us. I'm not one of the few people that understand them, and I've talked with a bunch of lawyers. Okay? And Yeah. They they're not taught these concepts in law school. So John seizing upon that idea, calls one of the law schools there in Utah. Don't know which one, but he got a hold of the dean. So it's probably one of the smaller ones.
And he tells the dean, I'm I'm thinking about coming back to law school. Dean's going, man, we'd love to have you. This, that, and the other. And they get into a conversation, and John goes, well, I'm particularly interested in the word person. And the dean says, oh, okay. No problem. We teach that as an elective. And when enough students sign up for it, then we teach the course. And John very astutely said, when's the last time you taught it? Six years ago. So six graduating classes went through his law school and were a teacher in a course called jurisprudence, were never exposed to the concept of the word person when a person is used in almost all statute. Statutes are written for three things, persons, things, or actions, And the majority of them for persons. And I need to give you a good, a good story on that where my friend spent a year and a half in club fed because that word right there, person. Yeah. K? My friend Charlie Gray in Atlanta, he was, had a big antiques dealership, got crossed with the IRS.
They came after him for failure to file. He was a John Nelson student. Have you ever heard of John Nelson? You probably have not. He's a fabulous researcher out of Colorado. They killed his sister, tried to put a hit out on him years ago evidently. And, anyway, he was a John Nelson student. He goes, oh, I'm gonna fight him. And so he does it proper, which is quite a job in a criminal case, federal, and, at that level, which he did. He did a real good job for what he did. So his name is Charlie Gray. And so Charlie got two two, sitting federal judges subpoenaed and, got, the district director, I believe, of the IRS subpoenaed.
And I was in at the Federal Building that day. A bunch of us were down there crowded courtroom. Jury's in panel on one side. And this testimony was from the, district director of the IRS. And so, the the three stat the three, regulations they usually come at you with is six zero zero one, six zero one one, and six zero one two, I believe, Mark. Those three. And he had the district director there on the stand. Courtroom's jammed. Everybody's listening attentively. Director's got those little half glasses on, you know, for reading. And where they can tilt their head down and look at you over the top of the glasses and intimidate you.
Yeah. And so the district director starts reading one of those sections. All persons, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then he drops his head, and he looks over his glasses at Charlie, and he goes, you look like a person to me. And you coulda heard a pin drop in that courtroom. Now if Charlie would have known what we knew hold on just a If Charlie would have known what we knew, he could have said something to the effect of, but mister district director, a person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. I'm ascribed no rights, civil or otherwise, under the amendment and therefore owe no correlative duties. Yeah. Would that would that have been a better answer?
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Yeah.
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Yes. But he didn't know that. So Yes. And I thought that they I thought that moment right there was probably the reason he spent a year and a half in Club Fed. Now who was trying to say something there a minute ago?
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This is Jack in Colorado.
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Hey, Jack.
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Hey. Hey. Question on this topic. There's something I still sometimes have a hard time putting my head around with regarding jurisdiction. Is your is there any of all, is there anywhere where it's written what jurisdiction actually means? And does it stem more from residency
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or a legal There's there's well, of all, there's several different kinds of jurisdiction. We don't specify and differentiate them enough here. There's subject matter jurisdiction, and then there's personum jurisdiction. Subject matters, like, somebody was talking about amendment. Oh, okay. Well, let's just give a little background. Okay? So maybe you won't be as confused. Alright. We had a guy on here yesterday talking about going in and challenging jurisdiction on a traffic situation, and they didn't differentiate between the two. And the court's going, we got jurisdiction, and he's going, no. You don't. Well, that's because they do have jurisdiction over all the highways and stuff in their district, their judicial district. But they don't have personal jurisdiction on the guy if he's filed an affidavit.
So you're talking you think you're on the same subject and you're talking apples and oranges. You see what I'm saying, Jack?
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Yeah. No. That makes sense. I'm more thinking about, like, Tom's friend if he says, well, you do. The United States does have jurisdiction over you because you were born here, and how could you combat that? There's no criminal laws that state that.
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Well, I'll I'll show you how you could combat it, and it it says you've have you always answered those two questions? Yes? I'm a citizen of The United States. I'm a resident and signed something. You have amateur jack throughout your adult life? That's Well, I get for sure. But Okay. Well, well, hold on. No. No. No. Hold on. Then that does mean they've got jurisdiction, at least in their eyes, doesn't it? Because you gave it to them.
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Yeah. But now they don't. And I wonder I wonder how you can basically prove that.
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Well, you send in the affidavit. That's what that appellate court says over on on on, copper moonshine still. There's a quote over there that says, unless a person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can move on to assessment and collection. Well, how do you prove you're not a citizen of The United States? There's only one way. You gotta submit some kind of a statement to the Secretary of State. Why? Because the Secretary of State has always been responsible for passports since the start of the country. And if you're gonna issue a passport to somebody to represent him to foreign nations, you've got to give that passport identity the best you can to present him, don't you? Well, here's where they've done the whole thing is right there.
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Yeah. But I guess the argument is why why does The United States not have jurisdiction over nationals as well as US citizens because they're both equal?
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Because, no, they're not e well, they are equal, and that's my that's the question I asked about Brian Brown versus Board of Education. I don't know what twisted least reasoning they used in that case, but I do know that if you've equated somebody with god given rights and duties to somebody with civil rights given to you by a government, there's something wrong because there ain't no level that they connect on equal to me. Can you figure out one, Jack? Can you figure out how they're the same? I agree with that.
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No. I agree with that. That should be different, but I guess I don't know how to prove that The United States doesn't have jurisdiction over a national.
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Well, right there, the the, a national owes total allegiance to a small estate. That means the total small estate owes you protection now and not the federal government, which has been all your life. There how how
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So it's about it's about it's about allegiance, and and that's where we direct jurisdiction, not necessarily from residency.
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The whole thing's about jurisdiction. How does that non elected bureaucrat over there have the power to make a manmade law and not only attach it to me, but then come and enforce it on me. Where does he get that power? Then that's the question.
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If I'm a citizen. Well, if I'm a citizen, but really the question is why does he not not have that power over a national house? Because you've changed power. Because
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you've changed changed your allegiance from them to the state. If you'll look further to the smart allegiance. Okay. Okay. Mark, I let me just say one thing, Mark. If you'll look further down that sheet of below that statement on the certificate of noncitizen nationality, Tom, And and you'll see Under that they could define federal states, and it's capital s. The allegiance owed after affidavit filing is small s. That's the original states. And there's your differentiation right there. Okay. Mark, what what do you got to add here? We'll see if you can help track it. They're missing the connection. It has to do with your citizenship
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status, right, which gives jurisdiction. Yeah. Yeah. So what what gives your what what causes your citizenship status? And that is your allegiance to some entity. And in this case, you're either giving your allegiance to The United, states or you're giving allegiance to a small s state, which is one of the many states that make up the union of The United States Of America. So you get The United States and United States Of America. So your swearing allegiance determines your citizenship status. What citizen are you? Then from there, that determines if they got jurisdiction over you.
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So, Mark, that makes total sense to me, but is that written anywhere in any statute that you Well, you have to make the connections. You're not they're not
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gonna come out and directly say that, but you have to make the connections. Now the thing you gotta start with somebody who's questioning this is, one, are they open minded? If you put the evidence in front of them that proves your points of law, will they accept it? And if they're like, I don't know, don't waste your time. They're not they're not willing to understand. But if they're open to to gaining knowledge, there's, one of the best things you could do is start out convincing somebody there are two different citizenship statuses.
Yeah. And there's probably no better way of doing that than on the matrixdocs.com. If you scroll down near the bottom, there's a link to two pages of court case sites about differences between US citizens and state citizens, which are now known as nationals. So the title of that document, and it's in PDF form, is US citizens are property, US national, state citizens are not. So that's a PDF, two pages, and it's got case sites from different court, opinions Here. That you can look through that and look at those case sites, and you'll see very quickly there are two different citizenship statuses.
Mhmm. Prior to the civil war and the reconstruction acts, there was no such thing as a US citizen. No such thing. Didn't exist. You were a state citizen typically of the state that you were born in.
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So I think really the hardest thing I think the hardest part of, convincing somebody of this that doesn't know about it is when you bring in the feudal system because that's really the linchpin. And it also it sounds like you're bringing in fantasy and, like, dragons and stuff, but the truth is that's really where all the truth derives
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from. You know? Correct. Well, the the feudal system only comes into play when you're explaining that it's your choice, that nobody else decides your citizenship status here. Or that your property or that your property is in that too. Yeah. That's a good point, Roger. So I wouldn't confuse them with the feudal system upfront until things do they recognize that there's a difference between a US citizen and a state state citizen now known as a national. If they don't get that, they're not gonna get any part of this.
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Are you Yeah. And it's just not everybody's gonna be receptive to it, folks. I mean, I would have thought years ago that you would. And, it's been one of the biggest hitch upside the head things for me is there's only a few people that are that respond to this. We're very few. Now that may change, okay, as we go forward, But and we get in the right circumstances and situations, but there's only a few of us. And then if you expect everybody's gonna fall down and file an affidavit, you're gonna be severely disappointed. K?
Now here's another way to approach this without ever even going into law. For the ninety years of the country after the articles of Confederation, there was only one status, and that was the cell state citizen, now called the national. And then so he was whitey in Jim Crow. Well, what what happened to him? Where did he go? Did he just disappear off face the earth? And the difference is your legal personality, Jack, the your legal personality is from where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties. That's what person you are, and that's totally your choice. Nobody can tell you what you are. That's again, because they can't autumn as bad as they want to, you're my slave, you goyim little bitch. Okay? They can't do that because they'll be open tyrants.
That's why they've gone to all this trouble for all these decades to turn everything around so they can ask you those two questions and get you to tell them that's what you are.
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That's the whole deal. Does anybody know does anybody know when the last time they used the term state citizen, in law or, in the Supreme Court or any decision
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versus switching to national? Because it and It'd either have to be the early part of last century or the eighteen hundreds, and I don't know, Jack. I've wondered about that. But they've never used it past 1940. That's right. So I'm wondering if that would be in between Even though Jim Crow continued for fifteen more years. See, you look at things on a timeline. So they set up the national in the forties, and we got finished with the war. And then they had this big problem of all these agencies that were popping up under this new system, and they didn't have a rule book. So they struggled for thirteen years to get them a rule book, and that's called the Administrative Procedures Act. And it was passed in 1946 and it's still operable. And they they hold their feet to the fire on this one because it's codified.
So then we had to go in and set up the IRS, which they did in 1954 with an internal document called a treasury order. I believe, Mark, it was treasury order 51, and that's when they formed and split away the IRS from the BHF. Then three years later, they got board versus Brown versus Board to get rid of the the two different statuses into one where they could get your question or your commitment. And then sixty days later, they couldn't wait. They were absolutely about to crap their pants. Sixty days later, they put that 1954 revenue code in place, and it's still there.
You trace back any regulation, and every one of them will stop at nineteen fifty four even though there was an internal revenue code all the way back to the twenties and the thirties. They stop at 50 four. Roger. So, yes, looking at it on a timeline, you get a whole different perspective because it's not. They have to work on an event line because they always have to get something else set up before they can pull the next deal and put the next layer on the fraud. By the way, here's another good Jack, you wanna say, people don't believe it's the feudal system?
Tom, you know what the, you know what the symbol for the feudal system is?
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The pyramid? Yes. I don't
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know. Yes. The pyramid.
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It is. Oh, yeah.
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How much more proof could you give them than to turn over a dollar bill and sell it to them?
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Yeah. He wouldn't accept that. He would call that, you know
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Some kind of other evidence. Well, remember, this is a rule that was given to me by my friend at the time, Diego, the half shaman down in Argentina. We had a couple of different rounds of, interaction. And he had been studying power from the spiritual side for twenty years. And I've been studying it from the technical legal side, and our paths crossed, and we got a chance to talk. And it's one of the things that he told me I'll never forget. Boy, is it true? Power always puts what they're doing to you right in front of you. True. Very true. Okay. We've had a lot of discussion. There's a couple of other things I wanna say, but Merica's there, and other people might have something to add.
Merica's in your state, Tom, just down a little bit in the LA region. Yeah, Merica.
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Hey, Tom. Welcome. Just wanted to share I wanted to share something for Jack and Tom. So you explained, you know, the jurisdiction stuff, and, you know, some cases. But the main thing is that you can go back all the way back to the bible, and we are the people under natural law. We are under natural
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law. Then the legal system is under, which is The United States, is under,
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system is under, which is The United States, is under man made law. It's the land of the the law of the city. So that's another example to remember. And if you Paul is the example on the bible that you can also refer to and review and, read about it on there. It, it has a lot of different, books that you can go into and review that and just look at Paul. He's the natural citizen.
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We're the natural citizen under natural law. Yeah. Yep. K. And they're differentiated in the declaration of independence, you know, with the capital c. That's what they did there. And, you just got to try and plant some seeds. If your friend will sit down and if you can get his attention enough to where you get about an hour and a half out of him, give put that video, God's Trump card in front of him that's on the website. And, that I think is about the one of the better presentations I've done. And as I've said, the reason is because I show you how they've done and enslaved you in your mind, and then I show you how they enslaved you with that in your body.
And, that way people aren't as I think when you show them and try and explain all this stuff we've been talking about here in front, that they have a much harder time getting their arms around it than if they know that they've been tricked with these words, and you can demonstrate that to them. Yeah. K. Here's another thing you could ask your attorney. Ask him about is are there are there are there such a thing as constitutional rights? I hear everybody talking about them, you know, lawyers, attorneys, congressmen, president Trump, all of them. I hear them talking about them. Well, can you tell me which exact, rights are given to you by that document?
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Roger, the the another town Martha. Oh, oh, Martha. Hold on.
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Tom, can you tell me any the specifically what rights are given to you by the document?
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Can can I? Yeah. Well, the constitution, I mean, the right to bear arms, I guess, is the one that comes to mind. No. No. No. No. No. Those aren't rights. Those are protections.
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Okay.
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Those are protections for you against government. Civil rights under the amendment. Okay. So you see how words create realities? All these people, commentators, attorneys, everybody, constitutional rights. You can't take my constitutional right. Woah. Woah. Woah. Exactly. What rights does that document give you?
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But doesn't it say the right to hold and bear arms?
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Shall not be infringed. It's a protection. That's a god given right. The constitution didn't give you that. Got it. Yeah. That's why in the amendment, you gotta go and have a from a licensed dealer.
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Right.
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So they still give it to you, but there's infringements. So something that simple, you'd noodle on that for a while. That's profound. Excuse me. Excuse me, chief justice of the Supreme Court. What rights does that document give me specifically, please? I gotcha. Well, that's kinda that kinda makes you start thinking, doesn't it? Yes. Merka. Yeah.
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And and, Tom, you're studying law. Right? You're you understand how to look at cases and stuff. So if you look at, like, a you'll you'll start searching for the state of you would find the definition of this capital state. It tells you right there it's a corporation. It's, with United States. And then if you look at the cases, you also will find cases where it talks about the lower estate. Right. And that's the natural person, that has the their their natural rights.
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Right. Well, that's the doctor that I got in front of him right there with those differentiations, Marcus, so that he can see those and show people. I mean, look. Well, tell me, Tom, does the state department not know what the hell they're doing? They got a a a pretty damn expensive bunch of lawyers up there. Are they getting these things that wrong?
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Yeah. Yeah. No. That's what that link is so powerful because that's my my friend says, I can follow your logic, but it's all Patriot Mythology until you cite PACE's or state department links and and these other things. And so I'm trying to gather those into one page
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so that he can There's another write it off. There's another one. There's something else he'd appreciate, I think, Tom, which is the dissenting opinion in Wong in Wong Kim Ark. One of the most important cases in the history of the country that you hear it even bringing up now. Wong Kim Ark's the the big case on this whole birthright citizenship. Just opinion. Excuse me, Joe. Opinion that's gonna be probably issued next week. We're about to see, I think, next week, a slew of, these cases being released that they've decided over this term. They just about got to because they're going on vacation.
So you don't mind. But that dissent hold on just a Larry. That dissent is from chief justice Fuller, who was the chief justice for ten or more years up there. And, the other person that joined him on the descent was a justice named John Harlan, who I have particularly come to really, really, really admire. And he was one of the greater justices we've ever had too. In fact, he had his own nickname. He was called the great dissenter. Okay? Yeah. And, that little thing verifies it's the time you see anything on the feudal system. And they connect it to the amendment, and they say if this amendment, they, they call it the rule. It was the Civil Rights Act of 1866 is what turned into the the amendment.
And they're comparing that and saying, if this is the case, then, this is the case of a, of of when the man is connected to the soil. And it's a, a situation that's unchanged and unbending by time or space and, and it cites that liege lord to a liege man. That's the same thing as allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance. Liege is the root word of allegiance. That's where it comes from. Okay? And the allegiance due and owing to a lord. And for that, he gives you protection. It's automatic. There isn't a choice. It's an obligation. It's our teeth. Okay? And it's that little thing right there, and he says, this was coming on to our country just as England was being relieved of its inconvenience.
I don't remember if we've got that on the website or not. We should have it. I know I've sent it to Mark before. I've got it if you wanna drop me an email, Tom, and I'll send you the site there. Out of one of the most famous important cases in the history of the country. K? Right. So there it there it is again in William t McFadden's in my book. At one point on one of his speeches, he says, they're building a they're erecting a Machiavellian feudal system right out of his mouth on the floor of the house. So Right. People can see it.
Yes. And I'll tell you the other place. There's a a note that was written to Wilson from Colonel House was found in Wilson's possessions. Have you seen that, Tom? Yeah. I've I've heard you I've heard you recite that. Okay. Well and this is right. The we will make them sureties by invoking the ancient pledge. What's the hell's the ancient pledge? The oath of fealty where you volunteered into servitude. So if you know what you're looking, you can find it. But if you don't know what you're looking for, all those things are gonna blow right over you. Yeah.
Now there's a couple of people that say time and Well, you have to run off more example right now.
[01:15:07] Unknown:
Do you have to run off, Tom? If not, you have the No. No. No. I I I I don't. I'm gonna stick around. I just, sorry sorry for taking up so much time. I I really No. No. Look. Look. All the feedback.
[01:15:17] Unknown:
You're you're the this is the reason we're here, please. Okay? Cool. Cool. So there was there are two guys, Larry and somebody else. Mark has got follow-up. Who was, Larry? You were
[01:15:34] Unknown:
Yeah. To answer Tom's initial question, why do we use the word intent? Like in the statement, it is my intent to be a national. Based on my research, that comes from precedents, namely an antiquated practice and process, which involved a document called a declaration of intention.
[01:15:55] Unknown:
Roger, have you ever heard of this document? I have not. It's new to me, so continue because that's exactly what it is. That's perfect answer, Larry. Thank you.
[01:16:04] Unknown:
Right. So I'll give you an example. This document exists, And if you go to archives.utah.govgov, you can find this document. And it's titled To Become a Citizen of The United States, And this is a notary document, and so right below that title in the upper left hand corner, it says United States Of America, territory of Utah, county of Sevier. And then it goes on to read like this. Sevier. Yeah. I and I don't know if I it was hard to read his handwriting because they have a line, and then he's supposed to write in his name. I think it said NISLO, but I do know the last name is Rasmussen, r a s m u s s I n.
I, NISLO Rasmussen, do declare on oath that it is bona fide my intention to become a citizen of The United States Of America and to renounce and abjure forever all allegiance and fidelity to all and any foreign prince, potentate, state, and sovereign, whatever, and particularly to and then they have a line, and then he writes in his country, and his was the Kingdom Of Denmark of whom I was a subject. And then he signs his name, and then it says, here's the notary information, subscribed and sworn to before me this twenty eighth day, October AD eighteen ninety five.
And then, someone named George Kaye, like, his last name starts with a k, he he signed it there. And then his credentials were clerk of the US first judicial district court in and for the territory of Utah. And then just a little bit more, it says, I and then this is the clerk. He puts his name on the line. Clerk of the first judicial district court of the United States in and for the territory of Utah, do hereby certify that the above is true and correct Yep. Copy of the original declaration of intention of and then he writes in the, one making the declaration, mister Rasmussen.
And then in all capital letters and in all red letters, it says citizen of The United States Of America, and then it goes back to black and white or, you know, black ink. Now now of record in my office at Provo City, Utah. And then it says, in testimony whereof, the seal of said court is here unto affixed this October in the year 01/1995. That's all spelled out. And then there's two signatures, one by the clerk and one by the deputy clerk. And at the very bottom of this one page document, it says it has language that says a copy can be obtained for $1.
[01:19:31] Unknown:
You know, you can say a lot of things about Larry. You can say a lot of things about Larry, but you can't say he's not thorough. K? A couple of things in there. Mark, I want you to ask straw man. If you write in all capital letters, I'm a citizen of The United States Of America, does that make you a slave? Oh, thank you. That's an interesting, interesting, bring Larry. Thank you very much. Yeah. Certification of the clerk, and he's certifying that he's seen that document on file in some book somewhere. So you you now you can still do that with your affidavit that you filed at the property records office, pay an extra couple of bucks for it. Yeah, Mirka?
[01:20:21] Unknown:
One more example for, Tom. And if you guys look at the US code, it's eight USC 11 o one number three. The term alien means any person not a citizen or a national of The United States. We are alien to The United States.
[01:20:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. There's another one more thing. Show your friend. It depends on his frame of mind. It sounds like he's open, and so we'll try and feed him a little bit here, Tom. Can you see the advantage of our brain trust here, by the way? Yeah, Larry. Yeah. And
[01:20:59] Unknown:
and and I'm inviting him to the, national status feed him on Telegram too. Okay. Merv has got a group on Telegram. Okay. So, go ahead, Larry. So
[01:21:10] Unknown:
One last comment because I know there is someone after me. So during 1895, there is two law dictionaries that were that were available, Bauviere's law dictionary and the edition of Black Laws. So I looked up the word intent or intention, and they have it in Bauviere's as a conscious choice or aim. It also means it it is also your meaning, will, purpose, or design. Just FYI.
[01:21:44] Unknown:
Sure. Desire. Look. I don't wanna change this. I wanna be that. Here's another thing you could show your, your attorney buddy with a little bit of weight here is a Supreme Court case from the sixties called Afraheem v Rusk. Have you heard us talk about that, Tom? No. Okay. Actually, one of our students brought this case to our attention. I think off that document, actually. So, Afraim was a Hungarian Jew, and he, immigrated and he naturalized. And then they caught him voting in an Israeli election, which at that point was against the rules. And so even though there was precedent for the other say side that they could take his rights, he took it back to the Supreme Court, and they overruled the previous decision, which was only a few years earlier in the fifties.
And so, the Supreme Court decided that even though Afraheem violated the rules that were written and understood and verified by previous decision, they could not take his rights away. Why not?
[01:22:58] Unknown:
I don't know.
[01:23:00] Unknown:
You can't take somebody's rights away. They've gotta give them away. He got into it voluntarily, immigrated, naturalized. They can't come in and take those away. He's got to give them away. Now in that case, they don't say, oh, by the way, you can be this national guy. They didn't say that. They kinda talk around that a bit in the case, though, but there it is right in front of you. Okay. Yes. Now who said Roger there?
[01:23:30] Unknown:
Samuel.
[01:23:31] Unknown:
Samuel. Good morning. Yeah.
[01:23:34] Unknown:
Morning. In the Bible, will is usually preserved for God and intent for man. Man is to intend to do God's will or intend not to do God's will. I think that's where the legal force of it really comes from.
[01:23:56] Unknown:
Quite, quite an interesting, observation. Samuel's just north of you up there, Tom, around what, Placerville?
[01:24:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Yep. Thank you.
[01:24:08] Unknown:
Okay. Old Great. No. Yeah. Hand old hand around here. Roger. Yes. Is that Dave?
[01:24:18] Unknown:
It is. Good morning. Hey, Dave. So hi, Tom. This is Dave in the thumb, and you guys Roger asked you what you thought was the symbol for feudalism, and you said that triangle. Right? Yeah. And and then he he said, show him the dollar bill. And what was your response? What would he say?
[01:24:40] Unknown:
Well, he would say, you know, that's you're you're making a a it's it would it's like not evidence that would hold up for him. He would say that's cute, but that doesn't prove that you don't have to pay taxes anymore.
[01:24:52] Unknown:
Well, no. That's an Well, that's not what I'm saying. No. No. Dave, hold. It doesn't say you're not supposed to pay taxes. It says you're in the feudal system.
[01:25:03] Unknown:
Right. May I Well well, he wouldn't yes. He wouldn't get that too.
[01:25:06] Unknown:
He would just call it a coincidence.
[01:25:09] Unknown:
Okay. Listen. There's no coincidence with that. That's some that's the great seal of The United States. You ever heard of a tarot card shop? You know what tarot cards are?
[01:25:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I've I've heard of them.
[01:25:23] Unknown:
Okay. They they use that symbol. There's a sticker on the door of every tarot card shop that's that triangle with the all seeing eye hovering over it, and it says, new order. Right? Whatever the the language is. Now Yeah. No misorder or something. D I FDIC Bank, they have the same sticker on their door walking into the bank. Okay? That that great seal, that that triangle all hovering all seeing eye, that's the eye of Sauron. Right? That, that's been sealing the dollar. I don't think I've heard it's never sealed any document in America US history except that dollar bill, and it's been on there since 1936.
[01:26:13] Unknown:
Yeah. One of Roosevelt's, one of Roosevelt's buddies who suggested they put that on there, I read or heard.
[01:26:21] Unknown:
So, now there's a bevy of people wanting to say something. But how how do we know the seal? It's it's the seal of pewdleism. The United States.
[01:26:31] Unknown:
How did you guess that triangle was the symbol for feudalism?
[01:26:36] Unknown:
That was a heck of a guess. Hell, I I didn't even know that until a couple years ago when Sketch came on the air one day and said, no. You know what the symbol of feudalism is? I went, no. The pyramid. I went, oh my god.
[01:26:49] Unknown:
But is that an official, representation of feudalism or just the mechanics of a lot of people serving a few people?
[01:26:57] Unknown:
No. If you go to symbology, you you know, and you have different symbols for different stuff, and that's the symbol for feudalism.
[01:27:04] Unknown:
And it's top the guy at the top owns everything. More thing, Tom. Yeah. Yeah. One more thing. I I'm I'm gonna say your intelligent buddy who's an attorney, he's benefiting from these feudal slaves even though he is one. He's benefiting monetarily He's from that all seeing eye, unsealing
[01:27:28] Unknown:
his dollars. Well, he's let me let me He's also seen a lot of tax evaders go to jail. Oh, sure. So he's Oh, sure. He's got a lot of fear around Alright. You know, their real consequences
[01:27:40] Unknown:
for for not cheating. Have have you shown him 26
[01:27:44] Unknown:
have you showed him 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a yet and showed that to him, Tom? That if he's done tax it's tax cases, that that's the one you need to show him if he's done tax stuff.
[01:27:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Another thing, Roger, about the dollar bill?
[01:28:02] Unknown:
Yes, Mark.
[01:28:03] Unknown:
The the wording on it, e pluribus unum, which means out of many one, and that's The United States' Greek seal.
[01:28:15] Unknown:
Yeah. So, okay. Anyway, there there there it is right there. And like I said, power puts what they're doing to you right in front of you. Now I could don't wanna do it now, but I I think I've got the holy grail, and it is that triangle. You see, in Babylon, they only use three sides of a pin to trap something. In our country, we use four. And they didn't use rails. They used concepts. And this is a three conceptual triangle. And when you file your affidavit, what you're technically doing, the leg of the triangle, was when they hid state citizen behind national.
And when you file your affidavit, you smoke that out. You dissolve one of the three sides of the triangle, and that's why they have to recognize this.
[01:29:07] Unknown:
Well, and what are the other two sides?
[01:29:10] Unknown:
Alright. Well, this is something I read years ago. I had an experience, won't go into the whole story in Argentina. It was a it was an epiphany for me. And all of a sudden, dealing with this Diego guy, the shaman, on a situation of an accident I was in where there were fatalities. There'd been a lot of complications and a girl that I was very, very interested in that all of a sudden her daughter said we couldn't be together anymore. And so both of those things were, kinda coming to a head. I consulted my friend, Diego, who had spoke perfect English and lived in The US outside of Denver for six years. And I said, I'm gonna make damn sure she understands me. So now we've got time together again.
time was he was my Spanish teacher. And, so now we get to really sit down and talk about this stuff. And I'm explaining to him, how the position I've got this female in. And so I I'm explaining it to him. He's gotta go in a minute. He's he's very in demand. He got another appointment. And I'm trying to explain this story to him. And I'm saying telling him, and he goes, that's power. And I I just kinda wow. I don't he's gotta leave. I wanna finish the story. I know that's gotta be important. I'll get it later. And so I finished the story, and he said, that's what you did with your affidavit.
You stole their power. Hey. I gotta go. Bam. And runs off. Well, he left me with that in that situation. In my mind, I was in a real weird frame of mind for about two weeks. I call it a trance. It's the time I've ever been in it. This was it. This was the result towards the end. That situation happens, and I start thinking into my consciousness comes something I'd read thirty years ago about Freemasons. And it said that was the Freemason's motto. And the and it just came back to me. Okay? And it said, the Freemasons motto is a line, then another line, then a square.
Now what they're doing is they're getting you thinking linearly, but they're thinking conceptually and technically. So I started thinking. I said, okay. line. line. line. amendment. It set up the slave system. I was buying this feudal system. So that's the initial line. And then another line. And the other line would have been the passage of the Federal Reserve Act and them getting control of the money in the government. And the line is not a square. It's not a square square. It's closing two line open lines. That's a drafting term.
And so when you do that, you lay the line on and they hid state citizen behind national. And now when you answer those questions, yes, you're square in the middle of a three sided Babylonian conceptual trap. And that ain't patriot mythology. It's on the back of your damn dollar bill.
[01:32:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Very well said. Yeah.
[01:32:28] Unknown:
Now when that when that happened, I said it was epiphany. When that came to me, all of a sudden, I'm sitting in a little shotgun apartment looking at the Andes two hours away, sunset. And, in the background, I had Hindu. You know? And what happens, that tone vibrates your pineal gland. It works on the same frequency. Yeah. And that all is going on. All these things are happening to me. And all of a sudden, I developed a blockage in my sternum, behind my sternum. And, it it would I I could feel it. Okay? And there was pressure above it and nothing below it. And it it was like being constipated. Okay? Honestly. And then all of a sudden, you blow that out and bam. And that, whatever it was, went down my spine and out my pelvis, and I felt it. It was one of the most unusual things I've ever felt. K? And that's when I came to this conclusion on what I just explained to you. Now it's even better.
The date, May 2013. The day of the founding of the Illuminati, 13. They're big number. So that's how that where that came from. K?
[01:33:57] Unknown:
Great. Thank you for sharing that.
[01:34:00] Unknown:
But now what is that? What is the what is that? That's the Hegelian dialectic, problem reaction solution. What why is that important? Because they can take that concept and work that little magic formula on anything, and this is how they advance political power. And that's why it was considered the most valuable thing that was discovered evidently when the crusades when they the crusaders conquered the, the Arabs, and they took over King Solomon's house, and there weren't enough rooms in the castle or the house. And so some of the, crusaders had to stay in the stable, and digging in the stable, they found King Solomon's treasure. This is part of it. Probably, they say, the most important part.
Just what I explained to you. I don't know of anybody else in history that's ever figured that out before. K?
[01:34:59] Unknown:
The the most valuable thing was problem reaction solution?
[01:35:02] Unknown:
Yes. The knowledge of of and the power of that. Of the of of this formula and how to operate it and the power it can bring you. Yeah. They use it everywhere. Everything was all these false flags. There are there are there all this line and another line. Oh, here's these 911 towers. These guys, Oh, we got to go to war. Boom, boom, bam. And, and look what's happened. So this is a they use it everywhere every time. Okay? And that's what's behind it.
[01:35:33] Unknown:
Yep. Cool.
[01:35:35] Unknown:
So and, really, when you really get to the high altitude here, that's why the affidavit works right there.
[01:35:44] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:35:47] Unknown:
Now that's got some very interesting ramifications because we can do the same thing. We can use the same tools, not just theirs now that we understand it. So you could take once you take those two lines that are left and you could do, and build another triangle over them using this baseline that they were using against us. So it's got all kinds of interesting implications if you noodle on it.
[01:36:14] Unknown:
Yeah. It does. So Agreed. Yeah.
[01:36:17] Unknown:
So yeah. So now we change that black that black baseline to a white baseline. Now now it's freedom. And now we pin them with freedom and group freedom like populism, or or or maybe change the monetary system to golden or whatever, not dishonest. And then there's another way you could trap them in in the same technique. It's complex noodle on it. Yep. So has anybody got any comments on all that? Did I drive everybody off?
[01:36:54] Unknown:
Thanks again. There was a federal
[01:36:58] Unknown:
Alright. Somebody's trying to say something. We can't hardly hear you.
[01:37:03] Unknown:
Oh, it it does it is it is it major or keep
[01:37:07] Unknown:
Hold hold on. Without The United States. I think it's eight US code at 1746.
[01:37:18] Unknown:
Oh, oh, within and without. Okay. Yeah. The the jurats. There you go. That's a good one. Thank you. I think that was Alan. Tom, write down 28 USC section seventeen forty six and ask him what the within and without of the, The United States is in that jurat. You know what a jurat is? Yes. The penalty of perjury. One of them says, I swear under penalty of perjury, everything above correct, according to The United States. Laws of The United States. And the other one says the same thing except The United States Of America. Ask him what the difference is in those.
[01:38:02] Unknown:
Wouldn't I think he would just say that it's if if you were outside The US, g geographically.
[01:38:07] Unknown:
Well, the yeah. Well, it's not it's not geographically as politically. But that's a good suggestion. There there's all these little things. Alright. Hold on. I can't hear what you're saying. You're real muffled.
[01:38:23] Unknown:
It's red in Alabama.
[01:38:27] Unknown:
It's Okay, Rick.
[01:38:30] Unknown:
It's without The United States as in the District of Columbia.
[01:38:35] Unknown:
Yeah. As I told him, it's political.
[01:38:38] Unknown:
Correct. Thank you. But how will how can we prove that?
[01:38:43] Unknown:
I can prove it.
[01:38:47] Unknown:
Okay. Okay.
[01:38:49] Unknown:
It's in it's in one spot. This is Dan.
[01:38:53] Unknown:
It's a Hey, Dan. Well I haven't heard from you in a few Yeah. The Go ahead.
[01:38:57] Unknown:
No. I think, it's in the, it's in the UCC. It's in the UCC article nine, and I forget the dang number, but it says the location of the creditor, United States is in Washington, DC. It's the only spot I know where they actually say it. And, I remember Brandon Joe Williams, he sent off a foyer. He did a episode once where he sent off a foyer to, the United States state department asking them where precisely in the 10 mile square is this thing called United States? Like, is it in a file cabinet? Is it in this, like Yeah. Four or five couple square miles that's a little bit marshy? And they and they wouldn't they answered by saying they they can't answer that, and they won't they're not gonna answer that because it's in a The United States is technically in a filing cabinet in a file. Might be a big file. Might be the whole floor. Might be, you know, a square acre. Who knows? It might be a land mass.
[01:39:59] Unknown:
It's Roger. It's
[01:40:01] Unknown:
May I?
[01:40:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I Anyway, I hope VPNs.
[01:40:05] Unknown:
Is that Matt?
[01:40:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. This is Matt. Yeah. Hey. I just wanted to say, I I think if Tom actually looks it up, he will see for himself. It's very clear, 28 USC seventeen forty six, because it has two choices. If executed without The United States, then you declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of The United States Of America. So that's if it's executed without The United States. And if executed within The United States, it's territories, possessions, or commonwealths. Correct. And you just say, I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. So that's it. And so it makes it very, very clear and and, and you can look up the definition of United States.
Mhmm. It's it's, it's in in the UCC nine dash three zero seven h. It says The United States is located in the District of Columbia. What was that location? UCC
[01:41:09] Unknown:
Article 9 and then
[01:41:11] Unknown:
9 Dash 307 H.
[01:41:15] Unknown:
Thank you. He's a he's another one of your fellow Californians,
[01:41:19] Unknown:
Tom. He's, outside of San Francisco. You Matt, you were what? A big fire chief up there or something at one point? I was a cap fire captain. I I was a whistleblower with the Paradise Fires and some of these fires that are so yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm retired fire captain. Cool. So, anyways but, so I think that that'll make it very clear, those two things. So I yield.
[01:41:43] Unknown:
Thank you, Matt. Yes, Larry. Go ahead.
[01:41:48] Unknown:
Yeah. The previous caller to, to, Matt, who was that?
[01:41:57] Unknown:
Rich in Alabama
[01:41:59] Unknown:
in Huntsville. No. Right after Rich. Right? You said you haven't heard from him from a while for a while. Oh, Dan. He was quoting the location. Dan. Dan. Dan. So Dan, it's location of the debtor, not the creditor. Location of the debtor.
[01:42:16] Unknown:
That would be it. The country's in debt. The federal government's in debt. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Who else? Tom, see what what you've what you've brought here today. One little question on one little word intent. Look what has sprung Yes.
[01:42:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Dave here. I don't know if you guys covered this, but, what is it? Section one clause eight or, article one section eight clause 17. It says right there that the The US, the their jurisdiction only lies within the 10 mile squared or their, you know, their, forts and, magazines and whatever it says, court buildings. That's where their jurisdiction lies.
[01:43:09] Unknown:
I I got another real good one you could toy with him. Go ahead. Who said that?
[01:43:16] Unknown:
That that's that's where The US is. That's an article one of the constitution section eight, clause 17. Read that.
[01:43:27] Unknown:
Now here's another way you can that. Birddog him is because there's one place they've got to show you what it is, and that's in the passport application. So have him go to the passport application and, the oath. They've changed the oath since I started teaching this and exposed them, by the way. I think that's pretty good evidence. And, the oath basically says, I swear under penalty of perjury. I am a citizen of The United States, parenthesis it used to have. They've changed the wording a bit. This is how I saw it initially. K? I swear under penalty of perjury. I'm a citizen of The United States, parenthesis, or a non hyphen citizen national, close parenthesis. Yeah. And have not since acquiring US citizenship, parenthesis, or US noncitizen nationality, close parenthesis, violated any of the acts and conditions listed on page two of the instructions.
Parenthesis, unless explanatory statement is attached. Mhmm. Close parenthesis. I swear under penalty of perjury, the foregoing. Be true and correct. Why would they have you expressly tell you to attach an explanatory statement on this terms and conditions, which is, I didn't go over to Thailand and boink any little Thai boys or girls or smuggle any drugs back or do any of those things. Why would they held you to put an explanatory statement in the oath when two times in the preceding sentence, they have mentioned two different political statuses, and they don't tell you shit.
Why would that happen? And when I brought this out, they have added to the passport now. There's a master thing. The latest is five, and they the, the person authorizing it reads out the five options to you. A while back, you had to check them. But the last one is I have read and understand the warning box on page so and so of the instructions. Yeah. That's what they added to cover their slave and asses. Okay. So now what's the what's the warning box? Have you read that? Have you seen that? You did it. You just did a passport. Oh, yeah. I just It's in both it's in both apps. Okay. There's another question. Why is it in both the d s 11 and the d s 82?
Because it's the feudal system, and they gotta tell you you can volunteer out, and you can volunteer out at any time. That's what that is. The war in the church, you can attach documentation, comma, including affidavits, blah blah blah, but you better not lie. They don't tell you what to attach them for. We're down here in the oath on this boinking little boys and girls in Bangkok, they tell you right there in the oath. Why why not the two above it? So see see all these inconsistencies? But they've got to tell you in that document, you got you can volunteer out because it's considered a public information gathering request.
And that's something that came out of God bless at Watergate and the tran and and the, opera of any paper submitted by any agency to the public to gather information has to go through an office of budget management and budget, OMB check, to make sure it's all constitutional and then get a number, which means you can circulate it. That's why they've gotta tell you. They're telling you right there. And if your lawyer buddy can't see that, I don't you just check him, see if he frost a mirror, and go find somebody else. Yep.
[01:47:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. Why would they they tell us to put it in affidavit? Because an affidavit stands as court evidence, and the only way an affidavit can be rebutted is with another affidavit.
[01:47:36] Unknown:
And they can't rebut it. They won't rebut it, and they don't rebut it. And they never have. And And your buddies and they attorney, he probably knows all about affidavits. Right? Well, ask him here's another way of approaching it. Ask him if he knows any Jew attorneys and how they think and how they they handle their cases. Yeah. Because this is the way they think. Okay? And so what we've done is we've exposed it. They've got a lot of power and influence, but they can't overcome your decision on what set of laws you wanna live under. That goes back to tell your buddy, ask him if you ever heard of Vatel's law of nations.
That's straight from Vatel. Every man has a right of personal, political self determination. How they've handled that is they've gone in and set up a process that says, oh, hey, Tom. You can expatriate. No problem. But you gotta jump through these hoops. Well, I need if I hadn't tell you this story, I think I got time. You've got a right to go exchange passports for any passport in the world, don't you? Mhmm. Yeah. Can they stop you from doing that? Only if you don't meet their requirements And you have to have another passport already. It used to tell you could call in the morning and go get it done in the afternoon.
So many people been doing it, and now it takes six months or more and cost you thousands of dollars to get it done. Yeah. I'm going to Argentina for the time. And, with my buddy on my visit trip down there, he's coming from Atlanta. I meet him in Miami and we meet briefly and then go every international flight is at the end of the concourse. So it's way at the end of this long concourse. And he gets down there, and he's a seasoned traveler and does his check-in stuff and goes and sits down. I've never done that sort of thing. So I had to go through a little more regimented procedure to get my boarding pass. And by the time I get finished, I go over and see Riggins and there's he's talking to this male and female. And so I sit down with him and he goes, Roger, I want you to meet so and so and so and so. They're with the embassy in Jamaica.
Oh, and, oh, hey. How how nice to meet you. Well, then they right about that moment, they called their boarding number. And so they, all seasoned travelers, got up and went on, got on the plane. They got around to me finally. I got on the plane and met my buddy. And so we make the flight. It's a nine hour flight. And, everybody wakes up in the morning. thing you wanna do is go to the bathroom. So, it's a big plane. Go go get one of the portals for the bathroom, and here in front of me is that guy standing in line to go to the bathroom. And he's a captive audience. And so we start talking. Then I said, something about because that was the summer in o seven that the expatriation thing really spiked.
He'd gone from nothing hardly to a boom Yeah. And taxes mainly. And so I'm sitting there. I said, boy, there's really a big spike in, like, people expatriating the country. And he goes, I know. That's what I do at the embassy. And I looked at him. I said, do you know there's two citizenships in this country? Two forms of citizenship? And he starts stammering. But but but but but his eyes get about as big as eggs in the bottom of a slop bucket. And he hauls out. So he knew? He knew? He I he didn't tell me. I'm just telling you what happened. He's about one or two people after we've been waiting to get to this bathroom. And I asked him that question. He noticeably reacts to it and gets out of line and runs up the aisle. I never saw him again.
Yeah. And I just discovered this. I had just gotten that passport. I was in October. I just gotten it in August or something. It was in o seven. And, so, anyway, he he believe me. He knew. He said now this is what he said. He said, I wouldn't know anything about that. You're gonna have to ask some of the attorneys up there in Washington. That was his statement, and bam, he's gone. So, anyway, there there's no doubt what's going on here. And, in in another way, you wanna look at it spiritually, Israel was, the Israelites were in Babylonian captivity for seventy. These bastards have got us in Babylonian captivity for ninety three.
It's about time. It's time to turn it around.
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Yeah.
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Julie was trying to say something a minute ago. Jules, what you got?
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Uh-oh. She got mad at me. Her phone. Give her a
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Okay. Hey, Mark. What's your, what's your observation on what we've covered today?
[01:52:26] Unknown:
Well, it's it's really interesting. This took a little bit for me to get my mind wrapped around that the intent and your voluntarily stepping out of that US citizenship is totally up to you. And I don't think we touched on the case or to Tiki versus DRC No. We didn't. Which was a US Supreme Court case from 1835. And let me read you this, and then we're gonna tell you the story about I believe it was Bourbon, New York that had the phone call with the Oh. The the Department of State or the passport office. Yeah. So let's let's let's I heard that story. So let's look at Orta Tiki versus DRC.
The court held this is the US Supreme Court. They held upon the general and abstract question whether the passport per se was legal and competent evidence of the fact of citizenship, we are of the opinion that it is not. Right. Okay? So even your passport is not really evidence of your citizenship. It's a representation of it. And then, you know, Bob got the you know, was talking to the password office. I don't know who called whom. But, you know, they were trying to give him some pushback, and he's like, do you have my affidavit on file? Yes. It's on file here. And he goes, then I don't care what your passport says. Now think about that. How powerful that statement is. Mhmm. It's it's almost everything because only you can determine what your citizenship status is.
And if you decide that it's your intent to be a national, there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
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That case, it finishes out at the end of that little site, which a listener gave me. Thank you, whoever that you were so many years ago. It says, if the question the passport is an ex parte document, just as Mark said, it's a separate document. But if it is to the act or fact of citizenship, it should be on what paperwork is in possession of the secretary of state as the higher and better evidence admissible in court. So why do we send affidavits to the passport office? Because he's in charge of passports. If you're presenting somebody to a foreign country, you've got to should the best of your ability present them as what they are.
Right? So that's why they have to recognize this. Go back to Vatel's law of nations 1750. All men have the right of personal political self determination. It's also echoed echoed verbatim in the UN charter, And they have just hidden this old state citizen under this new label, under all these layer and layer of deception that we've been talking about here today, okay, all for two hours. And that's how tricky these little slaving bastards are, and they've got to recognize it because they can't overturn it. They can't even say no. Exactly what it says in Afraim versus Rusk.
So there's our power. And if there's one thing, I've been trying. I'm like Mark. It's taken me many years to get my arms around this mentally, conceptually. Hey, man. We've got the power. You know what the big picture here is, Tom? The big, big, big picture I've concluded is that Esau Edom has done all this to trick us into giving him back the birthright, and he's been very successful at it. Mhmm. And we're just taking Roger. And he can say no because he got it and acquired it under fraud. Yes, Dave.
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I just heard this past week on it it was either ABC Radio or local radio here in Michigan. They're bringing back the, civics in school, and they're gonna have the students take a test to become a US citizen.
[01:56:45] Unknown:
I I heard something about their neck monkeying with the, schools. Now, of course, education's all gone back given back to The States. Maybe the feds have some influence there. It's one of the I thought the birth control pill, taking prayer out of the schools and getting rid of the 10 commandments back in the sixties, man, those are that they they blew three key foundational things out of our culture and society and has allowed all this to come from. And the pledge. Yeah. And look at what else what else was happening? We talk '54 Brown versus Board of Education, getting everybody to only have one option, putting the Internal Revenue Code in play. All those they the the the the the music revolution that I was such a part of when I was young and influenced by and Free Love and Woodstock and all the rest of it.
The birth control pill, incredibly important, and look where we are. Uncontested divorces in California, incredibly important. Fifty fifty custody laws in in in divorces, incredibly important. All these things added to the deterioration of our culture and our society and look where we are.
[01:57:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, I think they're doing that citizen test for the for the students is because of the all the nationals.
[01:58:08] Unknown:
I disagree. It's not being woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Sorry. I disagree. And here's why. You you're misinterpreting what they're saying. They're gonna teach them to the same level as somebody who's becoming a naturalized citizen. Oh, that's right. Forcing them to But you have Woah. Woah. Woah. It does not mean that getting their US citizen because they were a US citizen when they were born.
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No. That's fraud.
[01:58:36] Unknown:
Now they're not fraud. It's not fraud. It's not fraud. It's the feudal system. Yes, man. It's a feudal system, and they're not taking a test to become a US citizen. They just want them to be able to pass the test that's the same one that they give to people who are becoming US citizens. Now try check that. Yes. They're they're This point. They want the this here's what they woah. Woah. Thank you. Hold on. Hold on. What they're saying what they're saying what they're saying is that the the people who are becoming naturalized citizens know more about our government than kids or that are in the public school. It has to do with the education level, not about citizenship status.
And I'm sorry when, you know, I wanted to fight this too. But under the feudal system, when you were born, your parents marked you down as a US citizen, and you were a US citizen at birth, period.
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And put in bondage. And listen, that may be a a differentiated this coming week. One of these huge decisions is on the birthright citizenship thing. And everybody that I listen to, whoever's got the water running, could you turn it off? Thank you. The, one of the things that's really come out, Mark, and I really tend to agree with it, and they all bring, what case, Wong Kim Ark. And Wong Kim Ark's parents were here when he was born, and they were still I don't believe they were established. Anyway, the hint the thing's gonna hinge on whether the parents of the person born were established or not. As as opposed to if they were a water baby, then that's not gonna count. That's what they're trying to to get all these migrants kicked out. There's a couple of 100 of the babies that have already been born from the ones that came in illegally. Are they citizens of The United States? That's the question, and I think it's no. And I think that's what the Supreme Court's gonna say. And it's based on the fact that, you know, Wong Kim Ark's parents were established when he was born, and these people aren't. And that's why Trump's trying to get all these people negated and stop that shit. And even, that real constitutional professor, they tried to take his license.
And I can't think of his name at the moment. And and that he was saying he's done thorough research on this. He said, I don't know where this came from, but sometime in this time frame we're talking about, fifties and sixties, they started attaching birthright citizen to everybody and not just people of those who were established here already. So this is gonna be a big decision next week. And so I'm sure it's gotta come out this week. Hey, Raj. Let's hang up about it. Your lawyer friend your lawyer friend is a bunch too if you explain this to him and he wants validation, Tom. What, Paul?
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Sorry about that, but I did not have the end music on. We left Eurofolks
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thirty seconds ago. So Yeah. I knew it. I was watching the clock. So Yeah. Anyway, Tom, see, you you gave us two hours of programming today. God bless you.
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That was fast.
[02:01:53] Unknown:
Thank you. I'd like to just follow-up real quick on Wong Kim Ark. So the the the question was, were Wong Kim Ark's parents legal residents? Wong Kim Ark's parents were considered domiciled residents of The United States at the time of his birth, but they were not lawful permanent residents as that term is defined today. So we're talking I forgot how old Wong Kim Ark is. But 1898. K. So so his parents were not lawful permanent residents, but they were considered domicile residents, as Roger said, established as that term is defined today. This the Supreme Court's ruling in Wong Kim Ark established birthright citizenship under the amendment regardless of the parents' immigration status.
So this goes right back to what we said earlier when when Dave was saying, you know, you're born under fraud and you're you're born a national, no. No. You're you're if you're born on the land in in The United States and your parents mark you down as a US citizen, well, guess what? You're you're born out of the amendment, and by birthright on the soil of The United States, you're considered a US citizen.
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Yep. It's all part of the feudal system. It's gonna be challenged next week, and it's gonna be very interesting to see what comes out of them on this. We don't see these issues that are so important to us litigated at that level to this degree very often. Okay? And so it is gonna be very interesting to see their, Joe, their opinion.
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Yeah. See if they dance around it too.
[02:03:44] Unknown:
Yep. So, it's it's there's a couple waiting and, big decisions from them to be released. So, anyway, Tom, what else, buddy? I I I don't know if I can hang my Hey, Roger. I I gotta go. I gotta go, but I hope everybody has a great day. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Okay. Thank you so much, Mark. We missed you Wednesday, but I figured something was going on. So, we'll see you next week.
[02:04:12] Unknown:
Alright. Take care, everybody. Bye bye. Yep. Ciao.
[02:04:15] Unknown:
Oh, what a nice addition, Mark and Paul and some of the folks as we've stabilized in this format. And, it's such a joy to be able to have this kind of discourse on these type of complex subjects with no interruptions in commercials where we don't lose trains of thought and stuff. And Paul English is a blessing, and Paul Bieners is a blessing, Mark's a blessing, and all of you are blessings too. And there's something about us that's different and that's real special. And as a friend of mine said years ago when we were talking about this, it's been a subject to discussion for decades. He said, you are the chosen people.
And that has always made sense to me. We're the truth seekers. We're God's people. It seems to be the people that this resonates with. It's a spiritual connection. And even if they're not real spiritual at the time, after they get in and understand this, they become so exceedingly. Yes, Paul.
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This is a teaching moment, especially considering we have new people here. Because of the audio processing, I've added. Any noises in your space are amplified, because it's set to bring up the low voices to normal and bring down the loud voices to normal. So, if your mic is open, if you're talking, your mic can be open, but please try not to do anything, you know, while you're talking. And and if you're not talking, if you're not an immediate part, please press star six and mute your line again. And for god's sake, don't mow the lawn, don't yell at the neighbors, or do dishes while your mic is open because we're gonna hear every single
[02:06:06] Unknown:
drop of such. Yeah. And I don't mind the interruptions for questions. But if I'm in, like, the middle of something and intense, wait till I get a pause moment, if you would. Okay? Because sometimes that throws me off, and that's why I'm so insistent about intermittent, intermittent. Okay. Anybody else got anything today? Or I'm gonna take off and go get with the expats.
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Roger. Good morning.
[02:06:31] Unknown:
Oh, there's about three people. Who was the one? Who was the one? Scotty. Scotty. Yes, Scotty. Yes, Scotty.
[02:06:40] Unknown:
Boy, I can't believe the quality of this show, and I missed, like, the half hour. I just tuned in to see what happened with Paul English the other day. Did the level quality of this show compiled with with AI's, you know, dialogue that comes in that I watched the other show the other day? Because, Larry did say this smaller state without saying it was a smaller state. If you take with this the the links that, what's his name? No no full caps guy tried to put in the chat and blinks of some of the many things mentioned here. The ability for this with the transcript from the AI to teach at any level, but eat most most for the high level people. This would the the content in this show that wasn't even two hours is, like, 10 times the content of when you were on with the the the on on, RBN with with the the Yeah. That runs the RBN. Yeah. I just can't believe the level of this.
Incorporated with the links compiled with with the transcript.
[02:07:50] Unknown:
This is going to be able to teach at any level no matter how much you know or don't know. This is really something that's not. That might be worth, your thank thank you, Scott. And that might be worth earmarking, Paul, and setting this one aside. There's a lot of good technical stuff. Okay. Two a couple other people wanted me there. Who are who are the other? Okay. Thanks, Scotty. Thank you. You got your results. Thank you. It was relevant. Good lord of mercy. Thank you. Okay. Couple other people wanna say something. Who's that? Nobody? I'll go. I put There's a sketch.
Sketcho.
[02:08:29] Unknown:
I I hope you're doing well, and please have mercy on me, but, I have to ask the question. So so and I have to preface it that, I the question is can you put property rights into a trust and You had somebody that owns property rights You know, US citizen, would it benefit him or or the somebody
[02:08:54] Unknown:
that You're putting both Right. You're putting both of them in the direction. You you're putting both of you're that should be a question for Mark, thing I'm gonna tell you. Okay? You've already I was I did. I did. You went through his course, didn't you? You went through his course, didn't you? Yeah. I I was I was Okay. Well, then he's Mark was still changing so he could answer. Why do you why do you wanna do this? Why do you wanna do this? Well, I said please have mercy. I was just asking the question. I'm while I'm asking you while I'm asking you. Okay. You got a guy that's a trust expert. You've already been through his class. Why don't you go ask him? I'm not a trust expert. Okay. Why do you do this? I I I yield. I'm sorry. Okay. I just don't get your motive. Just don't get your motive. Because this isn't the time this has happened. You know? I mean, I'm not shaming you. I'm just asking. Well, you got a trust expert. You got a relationship with him. You you you want to ask him. You want to ask him?
I I agree. I agree. I yield. I yield. Okay. Now my answer to it, I was trying to give you, is you as the grand tour, I believe you would put example the house, and you're right in into the house, into the trust at the same time, wouldn't you? You would put the thing and the right to it into the same document simultaneously, wouldn't you?
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's my answer. K? Okay. I yield. Start. Sorry. Okay. Thanks. Sorry. I I did say sorry ahead of time.
[02:10:32] Unknown:
I know. Well, see, you you already knew you were treading on thin ice. Okay.
[02:10:39] Unknown:
Who else? Okay. Now Frank had his mic open, but he was creating an echo. I muted him. So, Frank, come on in here if you got a question or comment. If you got a question. Well, now I can call Nick. I wanna use
[02:10:54] Unknown:
to use tonight. Go ahead, sir. Is it Frank? Go ahead, sir. Is it Frank? Yep. Thank you, Roger. And and thank you, Paul. And then, Paul, I wanna apologize to you. You mentioned him when he went to the after show and to Roger and to the whole, folks here on the call. Apparently, I'm guilty. My mic must be very sensitive, and I apologize for that at all. So I accidentally turned on my phone when I was driving down the hill to see my brother a week ago, Wednesday, and I had no clue about it until my brother told me when I arrived at his house that I had my mic on and you folks were acknowledging me. And based off of what Paul just said going into the after show, I apologize to everybody for that. That's okay. I yield.
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Thank you, Frank. And, you Rex just lives down the hill from you.
[02:11:40] Unknown:
That's interesting. That would be my brother, Steve.
[02:11:43] Unknown:
Oh, your brother, Steve. Oh, your brother, Steve.
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Yes, sir. I've been well, good. Thank you very much. And we're we're all learning. I mean, we don't wanna fuss at anybody, and I know people don't understand. You said these mics are sensitive. Holy smokes. They're unbelievably
[02:12:00] Unknown:
sensitive. Yep. Right. Well and even more so now because, and I and I don't know if this, like, makes any difference, to anybody. But any signals coming in from FCC, either nine dB too quiet or nine dB too loud are, like, pulled to right in the normal range. So any small noise
[02:12:25] Unknown:
that's going on around you is going to be amplified. It is. Like, if you if you got earbuds in and the microphone's down the lines and it's on your shirt, as you move the movement of that thing on your shirt, we can hear it. Oh. So, yeah, they're incredibly sensitive. So okay. Thank you, Frank, so much. And, who else has got something for me? Uh-huh. Well, I'm gonna go meet up with Jack and the boys. They are already in session on a brunch, and I told them I'd just come late. So, anyway, I'll get over and skedaddle doing that, and you folks have a really nice weekend. And, Tom, thank you so much for being with us today and and and, spurning all of this. I love these kinds of shows, and, don't you ever dare apologize for doing it.
Otherwise, we'll reconvene Monday morning, same time, same everything, I hope, unless the world comes something happens. If so, we'll do our best to come on the air and talk about it. Was that somebody wanting to say something right there?
[02:13:31] Unknown:
I was gonna say have a good day, Roger.
[02:13:34] Unknown:
Thank you, Marica. Okay. Go go pet Lulabelle for us, and, we'll see you on Monday. Gotcha.
[02:13:42] Unknown:
Thanks, Roger. A minute.
[02:13:45] Unknown:
Okay. I'm gonna leave. Thank you, Sketch. I'm gonna leave the, I'm gonna leave the stream up for at least the next twenty minutes or so. So if, anybody wants to continue the discussion from this morning
[02:14:00] Unknown:
Yep. I will. Feel free. You know, I'd I'd like to read a short paragraph from, Gross book. It's called his declaration of independence. I think it's appropriate for the content today. I'm particularly trying to avoid titles, statutes, codes. Really don't like using their stuff to not be their stuff. So me being the other stuff. But and he uses the term expatriation in this short paragraph. And what he's referring to there is the eight the 1868 expatriation act which was passed by Congress, by the forties Congress, one day before the amendment became the law of the land.
So here's his declaration of independence. I John or Jane Doe in the name of almighty in the name of the almighty creator by my declaration of independence solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my res entrust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the Republic. Any and all past and present political ties implied by operational law or otherwise in trust with the democracy is hereby dissolved. I, John or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish commerce as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the Bill of Rights, to the Constitution of The United States Of America, a republic.
Now that's a nice way of saying I'm no longer one of your slaves. Without using statute or code or titles that they have come up with, and it brings it back to just prior to the amendment. That's why that expatriation term is in there. So I yield. Does that declaration imply that there is a foreign trust and that US citizens are a part of it. I yield. Thank you, Samuel. Yeah. One of the things that Bro says is, before this crap happened, you could decide and contract inside or outside the constitution by will, and you never were attached by that party in that contract.
Now we have agreed to so many things and are under this new program where there's almost nothing that you can do in the system that doesn't give you that party overlord telling you what you do, what you don't do, etcetera. And and like he says, anytime there's choice, bro says, that means it's political, and the courts aren't supposed to make any decisions based on politics, Supposed to be based on law. So anyway, I just thought to throw that out there. Gross is still a good read. It's difficult to understand until you really get past a bunch of his concepts because they are foreign to us because we've been brainwashed for so so so long.
Now yield.
[02:18:32] Unknown:
I I have one more question. I was gonna run by Roger, but I'd I'd love to throw it out here and see if anybody wants to weigh in on it. It's from reading the the handbook. And I noticed at the end, it says that all positive laws apply to nationals. And I was just curious if anyone could explain that or just, yeah, the mechanics of how that works or or why that's true.
[02:19:24] Unknown:
I think because positive law is considered constitutional.
[02:19:32] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:19:35] Unknown:
I'll bite.
[02:19:36] Unknown:
But I thought, like, the Congress was representing the states the union of the states, and so it's like, the federal government at that point.
[02:19:49] Unknown:
Nonpositive law is done through administrative process. Mhmm. They have not been voted on in the house. They have not also passed the senate. They have not gone through the waiting period for notice and comment, and they have not been signed off by the president, which would then be codified or codified, if you will, and gone into law whatever the date of that particular bill or whatever says. Mhmm. But that's positive law. Positive law has a trail and a trace. Nonpositive law is something administrators make up, and you've heard it a lot. Well, it's policy. Policy is not a law. It's just something somebody dreamed up at 02:00 on a cocktail napkin, and everybody agreed to it. Right.
Right. That's another way to control you. I'm done.
[02:20:42] Unknown:
Sheldon, can you give me an example of of a positive law?
[02:20:50] Unknown:
How about a capital crime of murder?
[02:20:55] Unknown:
Okay. What what is it? What do you mean? Expound.
[02:21:00] Unknown:
It's not just a state crime. It's a crime under the corporation. Because when you kill somebody, you're killing one of their resources because they're property. Somebody comes somebody comes up to your car with a baseball bat and does it in the windshield, that's your property. Well, it's not, but you understand.
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If it's not registered. Right?
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Well,
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anyway anyway, you get the gist.
[02:21:28] Unknown:
I think I think positive law has to be enacted by the whole of Congress Yes. Under constitutional authorities, dotting the i's, crossing the t's. Anything else is nonpositive law.
[02:21:43] Unknown:
With the consent of the governed?
[02:21:47] Unknown:
No. No. They don't need the It's a republic. So when you vote for that guy, you you better hope that you got a guy who's gonna do your your will. Right? But
[02:21:58] Unknown:
Yeah. You better look. Right?
[02:22:01] Unknown:
Pray. Pray. The operative word.
[02:22:05] Unknown:
And is that p r e e y or p r a y?
[02:22:10] Unknown:
Yeah. There's that old joke about this guy going to church on Sunday. He says, yeah. On Sunday, I go to church to pray with my my fellow. And from Monday through Saturday, they pray on me.
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Question.
[02:22:30] Unknown:
When was the federal murder crime murder, can't say it. Can't get it out. When was the federal murder cases?
[02:22:48] Unknown:
The ones tried. I have no idea. Think about it.
[02:22:53] Unknown:
Well, something like John Brown, you know, would be. And prior to that, I'm sure there's others. But
[02:22:59] Unknown:
Well, how was please inform me about Don Brown being tried for what what was he charged with in federally?
[02:23:12] Unknown:
I think, insurrection. Right?
[02:23:19] Unknown:
Attacking I stand to be I stand to be corrected on this, but thirty years ago, some friends and I and I were having a big discussion about this very issue. And what we came up with, the federal murder charges came with,
[02:23:50] Unknown:
Washington charged people with well, Washington also charged the Whisker Rebellion heads with death but commuted the the sentences?
[02:24:02] Unknown:
Because he couldn't. There were no federal statutes, federal statutes against murder, I think, clear up until the sixties. Well, that might be, but he had an army of 20,000,
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people who were gonna enforce anything George said.
[02:24:21] Unknown:
Now we're talking about following the laws, Samuel.
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Okay.
[02:24:26] Unknown:
Now we're not talking about we're not talking about doing that, which, you know, there's times that is appropriate, I would think. But so far as federal statute for murder, I I stand to be corrected, but I think you'll find it was in the fifties or sixties. And it may even been later than that, the hate crimes. You know, there was a big uproar when they started talking about hate crimes, and those are cap federal capital offenses. But prior to that, I don't think there were any.
[02:25:06] Unknown:
Well, the constitution says you could've been hung for treason. Right?
[02:25:12] Unknown:
But that's not murder. Okay. And I I would agree that is, that's true, and I think it should be enforced. And Lindsey Graham will be right at the top.
[02:25:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I think it's actually hanged for treason.
[02:25:35] Unknown:
I don't know what you meant.
[02:25:41] Unknown:
So Hunged by the neck until dead.
[02:25:46] Unknown:
That sounds good to me.
[02:25:49] Unknown:
Let's let's dig up McCain.
[02:25:53] Unknown:
Yes. There would've been another good example. There's a whole litany of them that that, have committed treason, but, you know, I don't care how bad you are anymore. There's there's too much complexity there. They're never gonna hang anybody up there anymore through the courts anyway.
[02:26:12] Unknown:
Yeah. The the problem with that, what goes around comes around, and both sides are steeped in it.
[02:26:19] Unknown:
Yes. They are. Yeah. The courts may may hang one of us, but not one of them.
[02:26:30] Unknown:
That's true. Hitler is still on the loose.
[02:26:34] Unknown:
She is, and so is Willie.
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And a couple thousand more.
[02:26:49] Unknown:
Yeah. But don't cross them or you'll be
[02:26:51] Unknown:
don't cross them or you'll be suicided. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Joe McCarthy was right.
[02:27:07] Unknown:
In in what manner?
[02:27:12] Unknown:
In a whole bunch of manner, but, primarily, they're turning the government over to the communist.
[02:27:20] Unknown:
Right.
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And everybody the media and everybody else laughed and congress laughed him out of and the schools laughed him into being a hucksters or whatever, but he was telling the truth.
[02:27:38] Unknown:
I don't know if it was in the book of the hundreds or broch pieces. I can't remember anymore, but in there's one of those two, the statement was made that we were communist a hundred years before the Russians even heard about the term.
[02:28:00] Unknown:
With the civil war, you mean?
[02:28:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, you know, linking linking with a pen pal of Karl Marx, and they and they they were running his editorials, I think, something like 3,000 of them over several years. And then there's these, these these two guys that Bruce talks about that I've never heard about before, Foyer and, I don't know what the I forget the other guy's name. Both these guys were pushing, socialism, which is basically communism way early on in the country, and that's one of the reasons judge Story wanted to make sure that he got the, the the the Swift versus Tyson case in law to protect us from that kind of torture
[02:28:59] Unknown:
through law.
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And,
[02:29:09] Unknown:
the, 48 ers that apparently came from the, some type of revolution in 1848 from Germany, were those the were they the ones that were revolutionaries that were defeated that came over to The United States and then infiltrated or got, hired into, the, federal government that eventually became the bluebellies in the, war between the states?
[02:29:49] Unknown:
Yep. And most of those, I guess, were German. In fact, that's that's the, yeah, era of my relative coming over here from Germany, and I've I've tried to find out if he had any political views. It doesn't appear that he did, but he came out around eighteen forties and left his wife behind for some reason. Maybe she was on the other side. I don't know. Unfortunately, a a lot of documents were destroyed in World War one and World War two and the parts of Germany that, they were from. So it's hard to get a lot of good concrete evidence on who these people a lot of these people were and what their leanings were politically and why they moved to The United States.
A lot of a lot of them just moved because they were sick of wars and strife and killing each other all the time, which they still seem to be wanting to do today. So without any understandable reason.
[02:31:36] Unknown:
Barbarians, that's you know, you are of your father, Satan. You know? I believe that Cain was, you know, the spawn of Satan, and, he was sent off to to breed an army against us.
[02:32:02] Unknown:
Yeah. The whole reason for World War one and World War two is because France and, England were jealous of what Germany was doing and never wanted it ever to be united with Russia. And look what they're doing now, blowing up the pipelines and creating war. And that's right now, I think the main perpetrator behind all of that is really England.
[02:32:45] Unknown:
Anybody wanna talk about notices?
[02:32:51] Unknown:
Open open forum. Go for it.
[02:32:55] Unknown:
Well, I'm getting ready to do my Washington notices,
[02:33:00] Unknown:
and
[02:33:01] Unknown:
I'm getting ready to use a firm book for the time. Anybody use a firm book before? For the postal service?
[02:33:13] Unknown:
Oh, that thing. Yeah. No. I've never used it.
[02:33:19] Unknown:
Well, it's my understanding. You can save a lot of money by doing your notices and having your certified return receipts
[02:33:29] Unknown:
all in one of those firm book pages, multiple notices to all the different agencies.
[02:33:38] Unknown:
My, Kate, is you would wanna do every single one you can possibly imagine for that state so you wouldn't have to go back and
[02:33:48] Unknown:
do an addendum or an additional one, just get it all done at once. I was just curious
[02:33:54] Unknown:
if any of you guys have notice this experience.
[02:33:58] Unknown:
Do you have the solicitor general on your list?
[02:34:02] Unknown:
No. But I will. It's in Washington state.
[02:34:07] Unknown:
Sherry brought that up, and I looked into the solicitor general, and that may well be a very good place for us. It it seems to be different state to state what their authorities are. But in general, it looks like they have a lot to say about what constitutional law is, let's say, state and the federal government, which would make it sort of critical for, you know, serving our paperwork to the proper authorities. I think they might fit that bill. So
[02:34:43] Unknown:
I understand. Anybody have you have any of you been on, nationalstatus.info and checked out Dave and Kaye's information? That's where I did my sample affidavit to the secretary of state, Lincoln, back in July. I was just curious. Alright. I yield.
[02:35:30] Unknown:
Sorry about that. Get on that firm book because that's one of those things that nobody knows about, not even the employees in the post office, and that's gonna go by the wayside. What's this? Oh, we haven't used that in decades. Let's get rid of it. And watch these things slowly evaporate. I've it's happened with other things. I see it happening with this too. Just like pro se, they want you to go out and hire an attorney. They want you to go hire somebody from their own team. And when people start going pro se, even though it's, written everywhere, watch that dissolve in another three, four decades. I'm done.
[02:36:26] Unknown:
I got a question. I brought up the fact that they wanna bring back civics and have the students take a US citizen test. You think that's a good thing or a bad thing? Mark thinks it's a good thing because they want they want the students to know more about the government than the foreigners do, whatever. I disagree with that. I personally believe if they got them saying they're US citizens because their mama did and they took a test, that's gonna be even harder to convince them that they're nationals. Anybody?
[02:37:09] Unknown:
Dave, you're talking about a bunch of bullshit. But but going from the rainbow
[02:37:13] Unknown:
telling guys to wear dresses, then now they're gonna teach civics. It's still indoctrination no matter what it is. There's nothing good about it that's being told from above what they gotta do. They're getting paid. So it's all a bunch of nothing is what I'm saying. It's not gonna be anything good is what I'm saying. It's just some some distraction, cover some asses, and make as you're saying, to confuse, to keep people from learning what's important, which would actually be not what you're gonna learn at school.
[02:37:48] Unknown:
Thank you. I agree. I think, George, were were you gonna say something about that? Well, I got a question. Samuel mentioned republic. You know, does anybody know when and if we were ever really a republic?
[02:38:19] Unknown:
When they when they sing the star spangled banner. The guy with the notices, what did he wanna put notices into?
[02:38:35] Unknown:
Probably for those few feet until Franklin got in his buggy and rode away after the meeting.
[02:38:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm at the notices stage where I have to notice all of my state and local officials that I'm now a national. I'm on I'm out from underneath their jurisdiction.
[02:38:57] Unknown:
So I
[02:39:00] Unknown:
There there is a, Roger had a thing where let me go find it. One second. Go ahead.
[02:39:19] Unknown:
Yeah. I just wanted to see if any of you guys have ever used one of the firm books because I haven't read the in the instructions yet.
[02:39:28] Unknown:
L three. L l three. She was the one who brought that up.
[02:39:32] Unknown:
I don't think she's here or she probably would have stepped in and talked about it, but she uses Matt. And she'd be the one to talk to about that.
[02:39:41] Unknown:
So this this is Matt. Can you guys hear me? I've I've I was mute Yeah. We hear you. Yeah. So so, I tried speaking up for background noise. Somebody's making a sandwich or wrapping it up and something, but it's pretty loud. Go ahead, Matt. Yeah. So I I've got a firm book here. I used it for years, doing all my notices I've got. Let's see. But it was starting back in, like, I don't know, 2020, I think, something like that. And so I've got they're pretty thick. They're like it's like an inch thick and I've got had done it about at least a quarter of it. So quite a few notices I sent with it, but, you know, it's only ever gonna be good if I end up going to court to prove that I sent it. So other than that, it's pretty simple to use, and it's it would save you money. I it could save you money or maybe it did save me money. I probably did save me money.
But, whatever. I've stopped using it. I've stopped using it. I don't use it anymore, and I've never been to court needing it for needing to prove that I've sent anything as of yet. So it's just easier for me just to send stuff either certified or registered instead of dealing with it. But I have it here, and I can explain how to use it if need be or whatever. So I yield.
[02:41:04] Unknown:
I understand what you're saying. It's not really financially gonna break the matter. I was just because when I sent the affidavit to this SOS, it was certified mail, return receipt, and I'm one of the guys that never got a green card back. I had to get just get the proof off the USPS website. I'm also wondering if I should go ahead and just send the new one to the new secretary of state since I haven't done anything else yet, but that's probably not a good idea. Anyways
[02:41:41] Unknown:
Hi. This is Chris from California. I recommend that you always send everything by registered mail
[02:41:51] Unknown:
instead of certified.
[02:41:52] Unknown:
There's this thing of holding court by registered mail. Registered mail has a chain of custody. Certified does not. It's very sloppy and unreliable. Registered mail is completely reliable. There's a chain of custody with everybody who touches it and moves it. It's under lock and key. It gives you a court record. Stay with registered mail. It's worth the price.
[02:42:20] Unknown:
I found my notice. I could read it to you guys. Notice legal waffle. Notice to the principal. Notice to the agent. Notice to the agent. Notice to the principal. Please find enclosed citizenship evidence now on file with the United States Department, of state secretary of state of The United States Of America. Please place this firmly and permanently in your administrative file. Please adjust your actions and agent's actions accordingly. Hugs and kisses, Alan Sahara. And I send it to I send it to IRS. I sent it secretary of state of The United States. I was I sent it to the attorney general of Indiana, IRS commissioner, Stark County sheriff, Stark Stark County coroner, Stark County health department
[02:43:34] Unknown:
For what?
[02:43:36] Unknown:
Stark County prosecutor, legislator, Knox, city court.
[02:43:44] Unknown:
I'll be right back.
[02:43:46] Unknown:
Please tell me about Stephanie.
[02:43:49] Unknown:
Andrew.
[02:43:52] Unknown:
You should not have put hugs and kisses, period. That is not gonna work well for you.
[02:44:01] Unknown:
Anyway. Right. I said to put that
[02:44:06] Unknown:
I've heard Roger say to put that, he was probably being facetious, but that could be considered a solicitation.
[02:44:13] Unknown:
Paul Paul did that, and it did not work well for him.
[02:44:18] Unknown:
I also sent it to the DMV commissioner, and also to the FBI, NCIS, and NCIC. And the last since, 2009 when I bought a firearm because of the, documents they put in after the after the collapse of the towers, I had to wait five days waiting period to get a firearm. I couldn't get it that day. And since I sent this to the FBI, NCIS, NCIC, The last, I did it about a year and a half ago, I did my affidavit, and I sent all this stuff out. The last five firearms I bought in the last year and a half, I had no waiting period. They gave me the firearm right away because as a national, they don't have jurisdiction over me anymore.
And even my my firearms guy said, I can't believe you don't have the weight anymore. And I told him why, because I filed my affidavit as a national.
[02:45:41] Unknown:
Why don't you make your own firearms?
[02:45:47] Unknown:
I'm not a machinist. And,
[02:45:49] Unknown:
You don't have to be a machinist. All you needed basically was wood shop, and I think you're old enough to have had wood shop and used the router.
[02:46:00] Unknown:
Okay. It's called an 80%. Have you heard of that? Yep. So the the the receiver part of the firearm is the firearm. That's why you could have barrels and triggers and all kinds of stuff directly mailed to you. But the receiver, the actual firearm, you could buy in 80%, and that means that it's 80% constructed, and it just needs one other one or two other steps to complete it that it becomes an actual firearm. For example, you may have to go buy a certain size drill bit, and then you have to drill, like, where they have it, like, marked and, you know, and then insert something there or whatever.
And, then it becomes a 100% validated firearm. And, you know, then you don't have to register it. There's no it you created it, basically.
[02:47:00] Unknown:
When when you buy the eighties percent, they give you the drills and everything with it and the and the, form you put it in, but you need a drill press who helps to do it.
[02:47:13] Unknown:
That's called a lower, 80% lower.
[02:47:16] Unknown:
Those are those are $50 at the pawn shop or liquidation store, the drill press.
[02:47:26] Unknown:
The gentleman that got I'm sorry, Brent. Go ahead.
[02:47:30] Unknown:
Or you can spend a $100 over at low down dirties or a home rip off.
[02:47:39] Unknown:
The gentleman that got these firearms within a day, would you please do yourself and a lot of people a favor and come on the show your Tuesday or Wednesday during showtime? This has to be documented. You're the that's that's done this. More people need to know about this. Thank you. I've mentioned it on the show before. I I will, though.
[02:48:02] Unknown:
Okay. I must have been sent then. Do you have Thank you. A concealed? Sorry, Sheldon. Alan, do you have a concealed carry permit?
[02:48:12] Unknown:
I did get one from the state of Indiana when they were free about eleven years ago. And it's fired? Pardon? No. It's it's a lifetime one. It's a lifetime one. Yeah. But not a state of Indiana. Time ones? Oh. This yeah. The state of Indiana passed a a law that if you're a on a citizen, you don't need a permit to conceal carry in Indiana. If you're a what? If you're a legal citizen, and don't have a criminal record, you can carry in the state of Indiana without a perm. I think, has the same Florida has the same thing.
[02:48:57] Unknown:
So I don't have a concealed carry, but I heard that if you had one, you they bypass that five day wait period because you've already been vetted.
[02:49:11] Unknown:
So if you that may not be true, but I don't I don't know if that's true or natural or not.
[02:49:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Not anymore. When when 09:11 happened, before 09:11, I used to get my guns right away. After nine eleven, I had a five day waiting period. And since I sent my notice, to the FBI NCIS and CIS. The, no waiting period anymore because they don't have jurisdiction over a national.
[02:49:52] Unknown:
I'd like to throw something in there since we switched over to firearms.
[02:49:59] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[02:50:00] Unknown:
I I've I've told this the radio show before that I went into the local sportsman's warehouse in Chewahlef, Washington and did their their procedure of standing there and doing your hunter safety before he were able to proceed to try to purchase it and gave them my, you know, my affidavit. But they don't contact the FBI. They contact the ATF. The ATF said that now that I'm a national, I need to get a nonresident daily something. Just kinda curious. My plan is once I get my notices all out, like that previous gentleman that has sent his to to the FBI NCIS, whatever.
That part of my individuals that will be noticed will also be the ATF. I know that they're all under the Department of State, I believe, the Department of Justice. So I'm just my mind has wandered towards not only officials that are gonna be at notice, but the feds also. Not you.
[02:51:08] Unknown:
Does anybody know the best place to get an 80%? Where's the best place to get an 80%?
[02:51:19] Unknown:
Just put in 80, and and and Wi Fi will come up, I think.
[02:51:23] Unknown:
There's several places. Delta Team Tactical out of Utah has them. They tend to be affordable price, a lot more affordable. Gorillamachining.com has them. They're out of Florida. You'll have it in a week, and several others. 80% arms. All kinds of places.
[02:51:51] Unknown:
I would check your restrictions on your state as to whether 80% lowers are available in your state because, I live in New York, and New York is on every single damn list there is for the prohibition and inhibition of obtaining firearm parts.
[02:52:11] Unknown:
New York doesn't allow you to do anything, Paul. I know. I know. What are you still there for?
[02:52:19] Unknown:
Tell me about that, sir. Pretty sure that when you if you go to buy that at any, website and you put your address in, they won't ship it if it's in a restricted state.
[02:52:31] Unknown:
Yeah. And if you live if your billing address is in a restricted state, they still won't sell it to you even if you have it shipped to another address.
[02:52:46] Unknown:
Who's the gentleman in that know what's getting your arm without a waiting period. What what's his name?
[02:52:51] Unknown:
Alan.
[02:52:53] Unknown:
I'm really surprised. I'm really surprised, Alan, because from what you read in your affidavit, that was not properly formed, and they could have punched holes in it if they wanted to. Particularly your agency notification. It's notice to agent is notice to principal. Notice to principal is notice to agent. That's one thing, And it's supposed to be placed this firmly and permanently in my administrative file. You said your administrative file. So I don't know how they interpreted that, whether or not they have a master administrative file that covers everybody. I just don't get it. Signing it hug hugs and kisses is antagonistic, and it and it is in keeping with a righteous indignant attitude that, well, you bastards enslaved me. Now I know what you're going on. Now I know what's going on, and I'm here to tell you I ain't that. So hugs and kisses, son of bitch. I'm out of here.
You know, righteous indignation, that kinda works, but it's still gonna piss them off. Anyways, that that was just my two cents. Could
[02:54:09] Unknown:
you read your affidavit one more time, and then can you go over quickly how you walked out with a firearm without any waiting period, please? Thank you. Right.
[02:54:21] Unknown:
Please.
[02:54:23] Unknown:
Because I'm surprised that worked. Notice notice to the principal, notice to the agent, notice to the agent, notice to the principal. Please find enclosed citizenship evidence now on file with US Department of State, Secretary of State of The United States Of America. That that would be my affidavit I sent to the Secretary of State of The United States. Please place this firmly and permanently in my administrative file. Please adjust your actions and agents' actions accordingly. Hugs and kisses, Alan Sahara. And then I did send it to the FBI, NCIS CIA, NCIC, and the, what is the what's the one with the firearms?
[02:55:42] Unknown:
ATF.
[02:55:43] Unknown:
ATF. ATF. I did send it to ATF also. And since then, I don't have the waiting period. Year and a half now. It's it's really good that worked. The website after this show is posted, there's a transcript there, and you just scroll down to the bottom, of the show, and what I said is on the transcript.
[02:56:14] Unknown:
Well, it certainly will be as soon as the show goes off air.
[02:56:19] Unknown:
Yes. And and, Paul, you know, by him not saying notice to is notice, he's just saying that he's sending a notice to the principal, a notice to the agent, a notice to the agent, and a notice to the principal. Right?
[02:56:35] Unknown:
Yeah. I guess.
[02:56:36] Unknown:
That's what I said. But which agent? I said that.
[02:56:40] Unknown:
But which agent did you send it to? See, that's the thing. No. That's the thing. Well You know, notice to principal saying. Notice to agent. Hang on. Hang on. Let me say let me say this. Notice to principle, notice to agent. Okay? By saying notice to principle is notice to agent, all you have to do is notice the principal, and then all the other agents are covered. Notice to agent is notice to principal. Any agent that's been noticed automatically goes up the chain to the principal. Now that would work if you sent one to every single employee of every single agency in every single state because you would have to notice the agents individually.
[02:57:30] Unknown:
I did. I I I did the IRS commission. I did the secretary of state of The United States. I did, attorney general of Indiana, IRS commissioner, state, Star County sheriff. I did, Star County coroner.
[02:57:50] Unknown:
I know. I know. I know. I heard the list. I heard the list. Okay. But the but the the complete directive is notice to principle is notice to agent. Notice to agent is notice to principle because you're making a claim. You're making a declaration, a demand as it were. But you don't
[02:58:11] Unknown:
ask questions in a notice. He asked them to put it in their file, so it's a good thing he didn't put the notice because he asked the question. You don't ask questions in a notice.
[02:58:22] Unknown:
If I may, what we're doing a critique here. You didn't notice you don't notice the corporation. You said United States Of America. You should've just stopped at United States because United States Of America is where you're headed back to. But it's probably immaterial since it works. I'm done. You could say United States Inc. Yeah. Yeah. Be much better.
[02:58:50] Unknown:
Mhmm. Now like I said, it's it's all well and good that that worked, but I'm really, really surprised that that form worked. I'm really surprised.
[02:59:02] Unknown:
So good on you. I got I got this notice, verbiage off of, Roger's website.
[02:59:12] Unknown:
No. You didn't. Not with the missing word is. No. You didn't.
[02:59:19] Unknown:
I thought I did. Anyway
[02:59:22] Unknown:
Uh-uh. Is everybody having, audio issues?
[02:59:28] Unknown:
Well, yeah. There's just me. There's there's just there's somebody unmuted and there's, like, a little bit of noise, a little bit of echo, whatever. It would be canceling out, it would be canceling out people. Like, Larry is unmuted, but I know he's muted locally. Dave is unmuted. Brent is unmuted.
[02:59:52] Unknown:
Let's see. Yeah. I'm trying to say something. Okay. That audio problem, Dave.
[03:00:02] Unknown:
Okay. And Alan is unmuted as well. So any noise at any one of those people in the background will interfere with the person who's speaking. I'm just saying. It's the nature of the beast. Sorry about that.
[03:00:18] Unknown:
Okay. This is Larry. Allen, so you walked into a an FFL, and then tell us what happened. How you walked out of there with a firearm?
[03:00:29] Unknown:
Yes. The same dealer that I've been dealing with for the last three years, and he couldn't believe I didn't have the waiting period.
[03:00:43] Unknown:
So he did a background check, and he just said, you know, it looks like the information is telling me to just hand you the firearm.
[03:00:52] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:00:56] Unknown:
And you didn't have this, convenience before you sent your notices?
[03:01:04] Unknown:
Right. Or my affidavit. Because I sent my affidavit with the notices.
[03:01:14] Unknown:
And that's all you did? You didn't you didn't try to present your passport when you were there or anything else. You just walked in there and said, I wanna buy a firearm, and here's my affidavit. And then they phoned whoever they phoned, and then they handed you the firearm.
[03:01:29] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. They they got a form you fill out. I forget what the number of the form is. And they check it with, with the, FBI or whoever, ATF, and ATF says give him the gun.
[03:01:46] Unknown:
He had a prior relationship with this gentleman for however many years, so he knows you were an upstanding citizen. So he was on your he was in your cabin from the get go. That's good. Yep. Yes. Yeah. He was,
[03:01:59] Unknown:
but nothing he could do about it. They told him to wait five days.
[03:02:07] Unknown:
So it was not it was absolutely 100% not because this this, shop owner knew you, because before you sent in your notices, he had a he told you you you have to wait a few days, per law. And then after you sent in your notices, everything changed, and he was even surprised? Was that his reaction too?
[03:02:34] Unknown:
Yes. And I told him what I did, and he couldn't believe it. But the last five firearms I bought, I look on the Internet and I get them for a real good price, so I buy a few. And, he's he he just does the he does what the ATF tells him to do. Give me my firearms.
[03:02:57] Unknown:
So you could buy firearms online, and then you have them shipped to this store, and then you just walk right in there and grab them?
[03:03:05] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:03:07] Unknown:
Wow. That's pretty impressive.
[03:03:09] Unknown:
Yep. You go to, gungunbrokers.com. There's three or four websites that sell. You can buy firearms over the Internet. They shoot them to your FFL, and then your FFL does the background check, and, you get the firearm. The last the last thing I bought the last thing I bought was a a target rifle. What's the name of the company? Anyway, it's it's it's a thousand yard rifle and, starts with an s. Anyway, it was like $950 retail at the at the factory. I went on Gunbrokers. I got it for $700. A guy in Florida bought about six or eight of them and discounted them. I got it for $700. He sent it to my FFL, and, I went in.
The FFL did the background check, gave me the rifle. Did you,
[03:04:19] Unknown:
did you used used to have a permit, like, a a per because if you have a permit with the state, you can go in there and there's no waiting period in most states. Not not in Indiana.
[03:04:31] Unknown:
Not since 09/11.
[03:04:34] Unknown:
Was this under Biden or Trump or both? Did you do your purchases under Biden or Trump or both?
[03:04:51] Unknown:
The last year and a half has been under Trump.
[03:04:56] Unknown:
Well, past five months is under Trump, but it was under Biden also.
[03:05:04] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. So under under under Biden also. Yeah. Because it's been a year and a half I've been buying. I had this, where I don't have the waiting period.
[03:05:13] Unknown:
How do you, do you do you, carry a a firearm with you and you don't even bother Roger teaches we don't need permit?
[03:05:27] Unknown:
Well, Indiana, you don't need a permit now.
[03:05:31] Unknown:
Have you had a permit in the past?
[03:05:34] Unknown:
Yeah. About fifteen or sixteen years ago, they had free permits, lifetime permits, and I did get one.
[03:05:41] Unknown:
Okay. So now you do you not have a permit and just carry a firearm for personal protection because you know, as a national, you can do that? Is that correct?
[03:05:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. I I do have the permit, and I do carry. But like I say, Indiana, you you tell a cop you have a firearm on you, and he'll say, where is it? And you you tell him where it's at, and then, he'll, take it in his position. His his, the last time I got stopped, they asked me, if I had a firearm. He says, yeah. He says, keep your hands on the wheel till we get, backup. So then they when I got out of the van, they took the firearm out of my pocket. And and when, they were done with everything, the the cop gave me the firearm back because it's legal to carry a firearm in Indiana without a permit.
[03:06:56] Unknown:
So you said you have a permit, but it's it's legal to carry one without one. So then why do you have one?
[03:07:04] Unknown:
It's a lifetime one, and it's it's it's, it's forever. Because I told him I had a permit, and, he says, well, you don't need one in Indiana anymore. And, whatever.
[03:07:27] Unknown:
This is immaterial, and you don't have to answer. What'd you get stopped for? Were they just out fishing, or did you have the headlight out?
[03:07:35] Unknown:
I had, no plates, no insurance, and went to court on it. Let's see.
[03:07:48] Unknown:
Okay. You want a buzz? Cool. I thought it might have been something more innocuous. Congratulations, man.
[03:07:56] Unknown:
Where the hell is it?
[03:07:58] Unknown:
So you when you said you had a firearm and they saw you had no plates, no insurance, no wonder they asked for backup.
[03:08:06] Unknown:
No. They they confiscated my vehicle. That's what they wanted the backup for. The ticket was for, operating a motor vehicle without financial responsibility, registration, and displacement of registration. Displaying this registration.
[03:08:36] Unknown:
And then What would be the outcome of that trial or that court case?
[03:08:44] Unknown:
What happened was, I sent in some paperwork, and I don't have that heavy. Oh, here. I read this on on before. I sent in paperwork to the court. If you wanna send paperwork to the court, you send it to the court recorder,
[03:09:04] Unknown:
the re
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the clerk of the court with the case number, on file and put this into my case. And, I called the district attorney four days before the trial and asked them, is there still gonna be a trial? I wanted to get a extension. He says, no. We sent out subpoenas, to the witnesses, which was the officer, and you have to be at the trial. And it was, I think, two Wednesdays ago. And, so I went to the trial, and, I didn't see the cop there. But before, before the trial, I went and gave, a notice to the clerk of the court, and I just put this in my file, which she did. And it says, as a national with god given constitutional protected rights, not a citizen of The United States in a condition of voluntary servitude under the scope of the amendment.
Article 13, section one, neither slavery nor involuntary servitude has been can't read my own writing. Has been, a a b a l a s u t, abolished. Common law. Common law. No harm, loss, injury to a man or woman. I have a right to travel freely and encumbered pursuant to Shapiro versus Thompson. The right is so basic. It does not even need to be mentioned. The state of Indiana abruptly and wrongfully converted my right into a privilege and issued a license plate and a fee for it. Murdoch versus Pennsylvania says no state can convert a secured right into a privilege and issue a license and fee for it.
And if they do, Shuttleworth versus Birmingham, Alabama says I can't ignore the license and engage in the right with impunity. That means you cannot punish I since I rely on privileges, previous decisions of the United States Supreme Court and on the constitutional, defense for willfulness. I am I am immune to the prosecution, and therefore, the prosecution does not have cause of action for which relief can be granted by a man motion for dismissal with prejudice for failure to state a claim of action for which relief cannot be granted, I would require to collect my cost and cease having to defend this frivolous case complaint.
When I went to court, they told the cop to stay home. And the judge found me, not guilty and, free to go. They didn't wanna put this on the record.
[03:13:07] Unknown:
So they told you they told this the cop to stay home?
[03:13:12] Unknown:
He wasn't there. The the this the judge asked the state's attorney, where's where's the police officer? He mumbled, and I didn't hear what he said. And the judge said, oh, okay. And then he said, well, since the state has no evidence of, against you, you're found not guilty and free to go.
[03:13:38] Unknown:
Did you, send your documents when you filed them in the court, under the case number? Did you send copies to the prosecutor and to the police officer or just the the prosecutor? Or did you just file them with the court?
[03:13:52] Unknown:
I filed them with the court in my case, and the prosecutor, the judge, everybody gets a a whatever I filed in there, they all get a copy of it. The the, court recorder sends that to them.
[03:14:08] Unknown:
Did they did they give you your costs and pay for your, your, vehicle in, in Hawk, whatever they call that?
[03:14:19] Unknown:
Last last week, well, about four or five days ago, I did send a letter to the judge, a notice that I wanna get my property back, and, I should not acquire any fees. I'm gonna call on Monday and see what he's doing on it. They should pay you for renting it. Well, I'm I'm gonna add that. I send in my fee schedule with it. So I'm whatever he when I get my vehicle back, I'm gonna send them my fee schedule and add a bunch of probably about, well, part of my fee schedule is if they take my property, 10% of my value per day. And my van is worth about $10, so they're gonna owe me for two months a grand a grand a day.
Still in process. Progress.
[03:15:24] Unknown:
Now if they refuse that, you may you may need to go up the chain to a higher court and appeal it. No no problem. Just so you know. That's probably what I would do.
[03:15:35] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:15:37] Unknown:
And just kinda learn as you go. You know?
[03:15:40] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:15:45] Unknown:
So they had your vehicle for two months and your firearm.
[03:15:50] Unknown:
No. They gave me back the firearm. Once the crap dropped me off at the church stop to go on thirty, he gave me my firearm back.
[03:16:03] Unknown:
You mean he took your car and then you got in the front seat or the back seat, and he took you to a to a truck stop and dropped you off?
[03:16:14] Unknown:
Front seat. Yes. So I could get a ride home.
[03:16:25] Unknown:
That's pretty impressive. Did you tell Roger this story?
[03:16:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I I've said this before on the on the show.
[03:16:34] Unknown:
In in I would have remembered this story.
[03:16:37] Unknown:
Gosh. I wonder what else It was a Roger show, about three Wednesdays ago, towards the end of the show.
[03:16:48] Unknown:
Front seat. You got VIP treatment, man.
[03:16:53] Unknown:
Not yet. I didn't get a check yet.
[03:16:57] Unknown:
Well, I don't I think the $60,000 is a pipe dream personally, but I think they're gonna give you something just so you leave them alone. They want you gone, but you already know that. And I can still file against the cops for false
[03:17:11] Unknown:
arrest because I was found not guilty, and I could take them in federal court under, 53 I think fifty three eleven. It states that, if if you interfere with a national, you can get six months in jail and fined. So if I take the the four officers that took my property to court, federal court, as a man, not as an officer, I think they're gonna settle with me before we go to court.
[03:17:45] Unknown:
Also, the towing company, is liable as well. They they didn't have right to tow that your van.
[03:17:53] Unknown:
And, also, I have a law in I found a law in Indiana that, the tow towing companies cannot charge more than $1,500 in fees for for, possession of a vehicle. And, they're charging me more than $1,500. And I gotta assume on that also. Got a bunch of lawsuits to do. It's fun in my old age.
[03:18:35] Unknown:
Trust me. They keep you young.
[03:18:38] Unknown:
Yep. Alright. Talk to you guys later.
[03:19:21] Unknown:
Hey. Good morning, Sheldon.
[03:19:27] Unknown:
Hey, buddy. How are you doing? Great, I guess. Living
[03:19:30] Unknown:
living the dream.
[03:19:32] Unknown:
Yes. You are.
[03:19:35] Unknown:
I'm, I came back Sunday morning from The Philippines, by the way.
[03:19:39] Unknown:
Oh, good.
[03:19:40] Unknown:
But who is that guy that who is the older gentleman that's going through the traffic stuff and having the speed schedule and everything.
[03:19:49] Unknown:
He didn't get his name, but, you know, your, your guys there at in at, wherever it is where you come in on, you ought to be on a name basis with him by now in in both countries.
[03:20:03] Unknown:
Talk about Philippines or Sportsman's Warehouse.
[03:20:07] Unknown:
No. The Philippines.
[03:20:09] Unknown:
The Philippines. His name was Allen. Allen with an s. I didn't get the last name from Indiana.
[03:20:16] Unknown:
Alright. Allen with an s from Indiana.
[03:20:22] Unknown:
So, anyway, what do you guys think about once I do get off my ass and get my notices in, that I'm gonna go to to Sperston's warehouse warehouse corporate so that they'll already be pre made aware of it in Puyallup, Washington and then see what happens.
[03:20:44] Unknown:
Good idea.
[03:20:46] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I'm thinking.
[03:20:50] Unknown:
A good a good plan of action is go ahead. Go ahead. A good plan of action is for some people, they start at the bottom. The other ones start at the top and trickle their way down. If I can possibly pull it off, I start at the top and the bottom, and hopefully somewhere in the middle, this is gonna cross one person's desk twice. Then then I'll know that that that's gonna get their attention, and it has worked. I mean, I can't prove that it hasn't worked, but it it seems to be working. I'm done.
[03:21:24] Unknown:
Yeah. A lot of people think that their voice doesn't matter, but it only takes one person to change the world. You know what I mean? Prime example of yeah. A prime example is dealing with health. A prime example is dealing with, like, a medical claim for my son in The Philippines that happened, you know, over a year ago. And, people that administrate the fund saying that they get over a 100 calls a day, and there's only two of them working on our fund. Well, go into the the hall and have them deal with it, that's gonna get their attention Because people will just put you on a back burner and don't care because they don't think they have to. That's all. I uke.
But, yeah, you gotta know you gotta learn what you're doing before you start messing with this stuff. You gotta take the time and actually read things, which I'm lazy at. I know all about it. But I'm I'm I'm I'm all in, though.
[03:22:35] Unknown:
Anyway
[03:22:37] Unknown:
Is that Victor?
[03:22:38] Unknown:
Yes,
[03:22:39] Unknown:
sir. Yeah. When you send your notices to the ATF, FBI, or whatever, and everybody else, the prosecutor, I would before you go buy a gun, I'd I'd give it some time to cure. Like, at least wait a month before you go buy a gun. That way, it goes through whatever, you know, processing at these different agencies, you know, because it's gotta go from the mail room and then get to the person that it needs to get to, then they have to be in their office to read it. So I I would at least wait a little bit before I, you know, go purchase a gun right off the bat.
[03:23:19] Unknown:
Yeah. That's definitely good advice, and I obviously have no problem waiting to do things. Yeah. Good advice. I just wanted to I the only reason for doing it in the place is just to see what happened, honestly, just to see how it worked. And I got to find out. A big corporate
[03:23:44] Unknown:
chain store like Swartzman's Warehouse, they have their procedure. I just tryna present them with a different procedure, basically.
[03:23:54] Unknown:
I yield.
[03:23:56] Unknown:
You know, if Brent and Dave and the summer here, the the guys who go back to when Daryl Daryl was one of the ones of us to, go into a gun dealer that knew him well. And when he went through the process with them, they were like, you get nah. They're not gonna give you this. And Daryl says, well, you know, try me. Try them. See what happens. Now I don't know if you guys remember that we're part of that, whether Darryl got his gun right away or still waited three days, but they definitely told him to sell him the gun. I remember that as a national.
So throw that out there.
[03:24:48] Unknown:
Did Daryl use his passport, Samuel?
[03:25:05] Unknown:
You know, I'm not sure what he used for ID. I would assume he had that. Probably just had his ID and filled in the form as a national, I would assume. But I don't know that that was ever disclosed. The other guys might remember, like Daryl, maybe Dave and the Sun, or no, Brent, I meant.
[03:25:40] Unknown:
My memory is about as good as yours.
[03:26:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. As I remember it, you know, chief gun dealer didn't think that if he checked national, he was gonna even get anything. That's quite a while ago too. They'll refuse you just for doing that. Right? But I guess it that meant the option was on the form. And the I guess the gun dealer probably never saw anybody check that before. Right? So he was like, well, that's not gonna work. I've never seen anybody check you're a noncitizen or whatever was the situation in that form for that day. But, yeah, I guess we have to have Daryl to really know.
[03:26:43] Unknown:
You know, there is another thing. We've already been told that nonresident aliens, particularly illegals, that, went to purchase firearms, they were told they could purchase them without limitation. The FFLs were told to sell them the gun. So something fundamentally changed when the illegals started flooding into this country that might have affected, the, the waiver of the five day waiting period. You know what I mean? Okay. Well, I think that's about it for today's show. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, including an after show discussion. That was very interesting and informative.
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Alrighty, man. We we wanna change it. We wanna change it so bad. We're working on Saturday. So here we go on the, Saturday edition of the, Radio Ranch Roger Sales. And it's for those new folks out there that may be gainfully employed, that have a day off on Saturday and questions that they just can't wait to ask. We're here for you. So, it's the June 7, and, we probably got the light compliment today. Oh, yes. I would imagine, Paul. Is that correct?
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Yeah. It's very, very light. We're on eurofolkradio.com. Thanks to pastor Eli James. We're on Global Voice Radio Network. That's my pet project radio.globalvoiceradio.net. And, we're connected to free conference call with a thousand seats. Links to FCC, Global Voice, and Eurofoker on our website, thematrixstocks.com. We don't have, any need to stop midway at the, top of the end of the hour, because WBOU is not with us today. So Alright.
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So, they're not used they're not with us on Saturday usually. No. Not usually. Alright. You know, it's interesting. I was just thinking before the show, it's, kinda surprising that we haven't had more, David Strait refugees. I would have thought the people that followed him might be looking for another source and stumble upon us here. We could see if we could straighten them out a little bit, but I don't believe we've had any of those, have we? I don't know. I think they I think they keep their,
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their people pretty tightly controlled. Oh,
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well, they don't have a leader. Okay. Well, maybe they're all switching over to that other guy. Okay.
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Yeah. But just like, you know, old man Rothschild, I mean, he died, but still the crap keeps on coming. You know, there's the underlings, the foot soldiers.
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Could be. Could be. Well, anyway, just a thought that crossed my mind here. Saturday looks beautiful. We had a little, almost like a wintery day yesterday. Cool last night, but we got nice sunshine this morning. Excuse me. So, anyway, I slept in just a little bit this morning, so I'm a bit behind the eight ball. We've had some, interesting new folks on here lately. We had Josh on yesterday, the Christy's friend, and hear his story. And, I don't know if he's back with us today or not, but he's a very, he's so immersed himself in. He was a graduate of George Gordon. That would tell me that he's got some pretty firm footing, and foundations. Although George you know, once again, George didn't understand that he did not incorporate the feudal system into what he did. And, again, if you don't as Glenn said so accurately, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system, you'll, for the most part, never do anything but a shadow box with it. I believe we've seen that evidence.
Mhmm. So, anyway, let's see. Was there anybody any new folks out there that might have a question or comment this morning? Start us off. If you would, just unmute and, give us, give us your name. We'd love to have a conversation with you here on Saturday morning if it's not too early for you. So anybody like that out there in the audience today?
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Hey,
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Roger. Of that. Well, there's somebody right there. See? Yes, sir?
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Roger, this is Tom in Los Angeles.
[00:05:45] Unknown:
Hello, Tom. How are you doing?
[00:05:48] Unknown:
I'm doing well. We've we've talked a couple of times. I just, I I filed my paperwork, and I'm still trying to learn and trying to, get my understanding to a place where I can teach it to other people. Okay. And I just have a quick question for you. Okay. Great, Tom. We'll,
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whip it on us.
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The one is when you what why do you say it's my intention to be a national and not a citizen of The United States versus
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saying I am a national and not a Well, either one of those, you're not gonna get any word specific stuff in here, that they're gonna say, no. You use that word. That's not right. Well, it's your intent. I wanna be a national. My intention is to be a national, and that's why you're sending in that affidavit, isn't it?
[00:06:38] Unknown:
Well, I thought I I don't really know, like, legal,
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language. But
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Well, you're not supposed to be held the legal language. You're you're called a national. Well, you're you're not a lawyer. You're not held the legal language. You're a civilian. Yes. Okay. So that's one thing.
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But, yeah, I just I just was curious, like, to my intention seems like it's not actualized.
[00:07:08] Unknown:
Well, it is when you're sending in the affidavit. So you're making an official statement. You couldn't go into court and go, I'm a national. There that's not gonna make any difference because you can't you haven't done it the right way from the top down. You can't do it from the bottom up. So your intent and desire, you wanna be a national, you want them to recognize that your intent is to finalize it and official their way of only recognition is to put some kind of a statement that rebuts the presumption. So here's where the language thing comes in. It doesn't matter what you say as long as you rebut the presumption that you've answered those questions and agreed with their fraud your whole life. So see, you're it's that's where the rubber meets the road right there.
Coming. Here here's the other here here's the other side of it. You could go on the one page on the state department website, travel.state.gov, and go there to the certificate of noncitizen nationality. And down at the bottom is a one sentence disclaimer. Well, it says it's for Northern Mariana, whatever, but it just says, I, Tom from California, do, solemnly swear that and I was like, I'm a national and not a citizen in The United States. Well, it's very definitive there. Okay? But that's just one sentence can can wipe away all of this.
So it's not what you say necessarily as long as it rebuts the presumption you've agreed with your whole life. That's the way I understand. Gotcha.
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Okay.
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Okay?
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Yes. Paul? An affidavit is a statement of fact. It is a sworn statement of fact. Your intent to be a national is a fact that you were putting forward.
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Mhmm.
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So if you claim yourself to be a national, you know, I am a national and not a citizen of The United States, that puts a presumption that can be that could be rebutted, but there's no way they can rebut your intent. No. Correct. No way. You know,
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also, we used to approach this differently, Tom, from a black and a white issue. And, so we would say in the old affidavit that John and Glenn wrote up that I used for many years is my parents were white from time out of mind, etcetera, etcetera. So what you're doing there is you're inferring that you're not in the black federal citizenship category. K? Because we used to think it was either or back then. But there there's another way of putting it. It says I that way, I am not this. So you're really putting up them, situation where they have to they have to go after, a negative. They have to disprove a negative, and it's almost impossible to disprove a negative, but they never objected to that either.
So it it all all and that's as I've realized it as I've gotten deeper into it and thought this through more over the years that the whole thing runs on presumption. And it's that presumption that, a, we had a presumption of law is a presumption based upon another fact. That's the legal definition. Mhmm. So what they've done is they went in and back a hundred almost a hundred years ago, and they pulled this bankruptcy off in the bond market. Okay? And so then under that presumption that there's a bankruptcy in the bond market, and here's the status where they had set up where people, they have an object of a property right in them, and they just moved everybody into that.
And they never asked you permission and they never told you they were doing it. And because the feudal system is hidden underneath it, you've got this generational contract from, from whoever your lineage was at that point when they got put into it than when they started having children. Through the generations, they've all been born into it. Now they come and ask you the question, are you this? Are you this? And you say yes, being, fooled and this being fraud and sign something. Well, that gives them in their minds remember, they don't think like we do. And in their minds, that gives them plausible deniability.
K? Right. So as long as you're answering those questions and signing something, man, hey. Hey. Hell, Tom. I ought to know what he is. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. And you answered a yes and signed it. I didn't hold a gun at your head to do it. So there's your voluntary servitude, and you're going in and rebutting that presumption that you've done that erroneously all your life, your adult life. And what you're really doing underneath is you're presenting them with their fraud. And because fraud vitiates any contract, this is a contract, although one people never seen before, didn't know about, and it vitiates that ab initio or from the beginning. So that's why they've got to recognize this.
K? But that's really what you're doing. It's not the language. It's not on pro pay, pro persona, and papyrus and everything else. It's just that you're rebutting this presumption that's based on fraud, and now they gotta recognize it. If they don't, there's one other option for them. They take the mask off and be open tyrants. They were close to that during the Biden administration, and that's how they like to operate. They want you confused. They want you to think they've got all this power that you've erroneously given them fraudulently.
And so that's why they have to recognize that we've got these son bitches in the damn corner, man.
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Yeah. It's it it definitely seems like that.
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Now I, I have a friend who's very intelligent and a very successful lawyer. And Yeah. He is horrified. He thinks you're that I've kind of He thinks you're crazy. Yeah. Very crazy. And I said, well, this is the perfect opportunity. If if if I can't put it in writing and and this and lay out the logic and lay out the evidence, because he is reasonable
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Okay.
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That, you know, we we I should be able to do that. And so I read the, the handbook twice, which I feel like that citizen's handbook is a very good logical Yeah. Yes. Presentation of of the path. It's just a little bit too long. I can't sit him down and make him read the whole thing. So I'm trying to Right.
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Okay. Well, let me see if I can give you for me. Let me give you another approach. Once you go to that website that we talked about just a ago and
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ask him I'm there right now. Yet
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about in that whichever one you choose on that certificate of noncitizen nationality, there's some of them it's it's the paragraph. Some of them, it's the So I don't know which version you're looking at. But if you'll look at the or the paragraph in that, it's a policy statement from the state department. Now what it is let me tell you. Have you read through that or you've heard us discuss this before? Yes. Yes. Well, then you're a little bit ahead of the game. You know, the paragraph we're looking for, it says according to the INA, that's the immigration naturalization act that's been kicked around quite a bit here lately. According to the INA, all, a L l, US citizens are US nationals.
But only a few nationals, now we get to the American Samoans, are not US citizens. So they say in an official policy statement from the state department that a US citizen and US national are the same thing, don't they? All US citizens are US nationals. Aren't they saying they're the same thing?
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Yes.
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And then it differentiates the the American Samoans after that. Well, does the state department, policy department, do they not know what the hell they're talking about?
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Yeah. It's a very interesting paragraph. I'm looking at it right now.
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Okay. Now the rest of that policy statement, this is the deal. They say, well, we keep getting these requests for this noncitizen nationality thing. And, you know, Tom, the, cost of paper and ink has become so absorbent that we just don't issue those anymore. We can give 360,000,000,000 to the Ukrainians, but we can't afford this little certificate here for you. So we're just asking you to go get a passport. And if an American Samoan gets a passport in the visa section on the page, there's a big black stamp that says this person's not a citizen of The United States. Mhmm. Ours ours are d have you got your passport back yet?
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No. I sent in, my DS82,
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last week. Okay. Well, when you get it back, yours will not have that in there. Right. Okay. Now go down to the bottom, and it goes through and tells them get a passport. Then they go underneath that, and they break down some sections of the INA. And about the paragraph so one of them says in three zero eight, I believe, and it makes one simple statement. A national owes total allegiance to a small less state.
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Mhmm.
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K. Now with that with a keyword there, there's a couple of keywords, national, allegiance, and small less state. Mhmm. So a national is total allegiance. Have you gotten to the point and you could ask your high end lawyer? And these are just concepts they don't teach in law schools anymore. So if he doesn't know it, it it's par for the course. Alright? The formula for jurisdiction keys on that word allegiance. And it's from the feudal system, and it goes back to the time when the feudal system started and people were looking for protection, and the land owners were looking for protection also. But if they were gonna have somebody there, they want allegiance.
So it's this formula, allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance. It's automatic and it's reciprocal, which means even in that one sentence right there and I can tell you show you where it comes from too.
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The word allegiance on the tangent find where
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sorry. Where you said jurisdiction is tied to allegiance and and which is tied to Well, this is where did I back your well, your your your, friend is a high end lawyer. He's no doubt got Westlaw and Nexus and Lexus and stuff, and he can go look it up. There was a case. Mark, Mark, you with us today? Mark found a case that's got it in there. Yeah. But that is this is Yeah. Are you there, Mark?
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Yeah. Barely.
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If you'll give me a couple of seconds. I'm trying to get Okay. Well,
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alright. Okay. Get running. Go get Alright. Go get a cup of coffee. We'll we'll we're here for two hours. We'll go go get your eyes open, come back, and we can feed Tom this information. But it comes from the feudal system. The reason, Tom, that I've been successful at this that nobody else has been is because my teacher was John w Benson, a man who loved the law and studied the law his whole life. And so the that's where all these things come from that none of these lawyers and judges know. Like, you could ask, here, ask your friend this. What's the legal concept behind the meaning of the word person?
Ask him that. I'll
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ask him. What what I appreciated about him when we were talking yesterday is he said it's it's all patriot mythology. You need to be really careful. Not. No. It's not. And I said, but and I said we were talking about resident and citizen, and I said, but the legal definition of resident is based on jurisdiction. And he said, oh, you know, BS. And then he looked it up and he goes, oh my gosh. So I feel like if I can if I can state the case with evidence, like, citing all the evidence and all the definitions, I think he can he could appreciate it.
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Well, some some may and some may not. And definition
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would be great.
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Okay. Well, I don't know if you're ever gonna see it hammered out just like that. Maybe we could find it, but the problem is here's the problem that we're we're facing. In, that book, the 31 collective speeches of Louis t McFadden. I know you haven't had a chance to read that. Probably don't even know who Louis t McFadden was. Right?
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I've heard you mention him. Yeah. He was the guy who was, a senator, I believe, and he was He was on the banking committee, and he knew all about the Federal Reserve.
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Well, he was a former banker from, I think, the Northeast Part Of Pennsylvania was his district. He was a very unusual he wasn't a politician. This guy's a statesman. Okay? And, in fact, the last time that he got elected, he was nominated in his district by the Republicans, the Democrats, and the populist party. All three pop all three parties nominated the same guy. Is that unusual?
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Right. And it was he was he murdered?
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Yes. time. And, he was a banker, worked his way up to the president of the bank, and then decided to run to congress back in about '16 1916, somewhere along in there from the minute he got elected because the house back then had a banking committee. They, the people should have a banking committee in their house, shouldn't they? And, they put him as president, head of that committee, and when he was and he was that way till they killed him in the thirties. Yeah. But, Lewis t McFadden, and there was a said, where was I going with this?
You get in, I wanna give you a background so this what I'm gonna tell you, and then I forget what I was gonna tell you. Anyway, McFadden's, McFadden's speeches there are from the house. You can hear applause, applause, applause. One of his famous speeches is Yeah. The Jews have all the gold and the Gentiles have all the paper. And, he made some real interest. I read that book because one of the early books I read, it went way over my head, because there's a lot of technical stuff in there. But, but I remembered a lot of it, and I incorporated a lot of it in my book, actually.
And, McFadden, what was I gonna tell you? It's so important about him. Dad coming. Maybe it'll come back to me in a But, anyway, that book is the Fadden thing. I do have a question. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. Yeah. In that book, he talks in one of his speeches, he talks about how the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools moved their annual convention to Chicago on New Year's Eve. I think so. I'm sure it's the only time they've ever done it. And, so that a little Jew named Jacob Frank from the Department of Agriculture could come and give a speech called experimental jurisprudence and the new deal.
And he referred to it in one of his speeches in congress. So I went and looked it up, and I was doing shows with Al Attis back then. You probably don't know who he is, but, Al, I I sent Al that, that speech, and he came back and said, that's the damn that's the the most damning piece of government paper I've ever seen. So we know that they have got the power through the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools to move their annual convention to Chicago on New Year's Eve. Why why would they do that? So that nobody would hear that speech. But they could say they gave the speech. So that tells you that the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools has already infiltrated, doesn't it? Do you think that they may control curriculum in law schools?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. K. So when your friend can't tell you what the legal concept is behind the word person, that's wise. They don't teach a lot of these concepts in law schools. They have they these guys are like the, the famous, and I don't know which one they were, the Sioux or one of the great tracking, tribes out west. And they would go up, let's say, they go up to the top of the hill, and they look over in the basin and see, Custer and the cavalry over there. Right? And count them. And then they turn around and back out with a brush and brush their footprints out.
That's what these guys do. That's what these guys do. Right. They're very slick. K? That's why they've got this, definition of resonant. Can you find it that it goes back to ambassadorial law? If you dig deep enough, you can. But, you'll never see it on the surface. And it's that and the combination of how they've taken these words like resonant and then very cleverly put a Pavlovian opposite definition in your mind so that you answer those questions wrong.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So there's a lot here that you can't just look at the surface without understanding some of this background and say, well, where is the formula for jurisdiction? Well, you can find it, but, boy, you gotta dig. And it's just like I said earlier. This is Glenn, my other teacher, who's very bright, by the way, and very schooled at this stuff. California boy, actually. He said, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system, you'll never do anything but shadow box with it. And that is absolutely totally true. And if you don't believe me, look at the patriot community for thirty years. And now here's Mark. Now Mark stumbled in this case, and it's on your question, protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection.
Mark, you wanna, meet Tom here and say hello?
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Hey, Tom. This is Mark and the straw man. I'm very anti patriot mythology, such as the gold fringe flag and a bunch of other stuff like that. Yeah.
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And that we're under out with the law on all that. It started in your trust class. Oh, okay, Tom. Okay. Great.
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So, you know, you may already know, but, you know, for the listening audience, you know, I'm a, practicing paralegal with, you know, almost twenty five years experience now. I've, my research and writing is directly responsible for winning four appeals in four different states in four different areas of law. So I've got a little bit of, research savvy behind me, even on topics that I don't have a lot of knowledge about initially, I can certainly quickly look up and and see what the, you know, the case might be. But, you know, right early right on early with Roger, you know, we kept talking about allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance.
And so, Google Scholar is a tremendous free search engine that you can find cases under. And so I started with the Supreme Court and all the Circuit Court of Appeals except for DC, and I found a case called Minor, that's m I n o r, versus Happersett, h a p p e r s e t t, tango tango on the end. And that's 88 US one sixty two.
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Okay. 88
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US one sixty two, that's a Supreme Court decision from 1875, or as my friend Joe in Oklahoma called it, an opinion. So it was the opinion of the sup US Supreme Court Mhmm. In this case. And one of the one of the paragraphs read this, and I and I just I love it, for for a couple of different reasons. But listen to this. This is very powerful. There cannot be a nation without a people. The very idea of a political community such as the nation is implies an association of persons for the promotion of their general welfare. Each one of the persons associated becomes a member of the nation formed by the association.
He owes it allegiance and is entitled to his protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other. Allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance.
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Yeah. And and how do we tie that back to to jurisdiction,
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Roger, like you said? Okay. Well, I'm that's why I was pointing you towards that document because it says that right there. Now let me tell you the origin of that statement. I was I was after the book was published, I was, doing a exchange with Larry Beecraft. Do you do you have any do you know about mister Beecraft? No. He's a pretty famous, tax attorney from Alabama. He's won some real big decisions over the years, and he just he's like your friend in a sense. Your friend seems open minded if you can show him something, but Beecraft's just not. He's and see, because they don't teach these concepts in their law schools, these people that are lawyers don't know these things and can't think outside the box.
Brent, our Brent Winters is kind of like that to an extent. Like your doctor doesn't tell you anything about, eating and diet, and your dentist didn't tell you a damn thing about mercury fillings in your teeth. Okay. Same same principle. And so they get through those courses and they just can't imagine, I guess, subconsciously, if they weren't taught this and they haven't heard it come up and this not mentioned because the bad guys don't want us to know about this, that it exists. But it works. Okay? And if it didn't, why have they recognized it for fourteen years and there's never been a case of blowback? You know?
Why are they telling the passport kids inside? And they've we've had this yesterday. You were probably working. Had this yesterday, and the guy called up the passport office, and he got a guy on. He said, yeah. You're you're a national. And then he says, well, what can you tell me what that means to you? He goes, oh, yeah. You don't have to follow any of the statutes and codes anymore. That came from somebody inside the passport office. And he said, the time we've heard this, he said, I just went through a class on how to process this paperwork correctly ten days ago. K? So, anyway, this came from a conversation with Larry Beecraft on the book after it was published and the word national. And Larry shot me back a link to a piece of legislation that's in the public, the statutes at large, and it's called the Nationality Act of 1940.
K. So what are we Okay. Just looking at that on the surface, what does that tell you? Well, it's right at the start of World War two. Well, okay. I know these guys pretty well by now. When when do they do things that are real important? When everybody's distracted. Yeah. So that's when this came and what this is the official point that I can find where you see the word national. And so they got this big big piece of legislation, the Nationality Act of 1940, and it's page upon page and all this stuff. Well, right underneath that title, the Nationality Act of 1940, there's definitions.
And the very definition, definition a, is that statement. A nationalist total allegiance to a small less state. And then there's a couple of other ones that go on to further define it. And, so here's what's going on. This is something I've figured out too over the years. It just hit me a few years ago. They always put the hook at the just like that. Definition a. So you're sitting there to read a big stack of this legislation. Are you gonna be really paying attention when you start reading it? Probably not.
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Okay?
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So they always put the hook at the front, amendment, all persons born. There it is, feudal system. Bam. Over on the tax thing, 26 CFR, 1.1 dash one a, one point one dash one a. Could it be any closer? It's on the top right of the page when you open up the cover, and this is a MO of theirs. They always put the hook at the front because they know you're not gonna see it. Oh, god. I gotta read this whole thing and you're getting into that mindset and, bam, you're already past the hook. They gotcha. Yeah. They're slick, man. They're very, very slick. Can I ask you one more question? Oh, you can ask me questions for the rest of the show today. Yeah.
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So I found you through, Daniel Mintz in Los Angeles. Okay. Right. And I asked him the question, you know, the the casserion tricksters that seem to have put this whole system together, the the slaving system. Yeah. They they're not honorable. They don't have to be honorable according to their religious text text. Correct. And they've murdered many people like Louis McFadden. You know, you can kinda go down the list.
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How about all of the The question is war dead. How about all the war dead since the civil war?
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Yeah. And I asked them, well, you know, why wouldn't they come after people opting out of their slave system? And he his opinion was that the people they've murdered were US citizens and therefore property, and therefore, they didn't have a a karmic blowback. Whereas nationals, it would be immoral to to murder or to, defraud, I guess. And I was just curious, it's an opinion, it's interesting, but I was just curious, were you, like, how do you understand their sense of honor? Because they're honoring the national status over the last fourteen years, but they don't have to honor, and they haven't honored many No. Things that they have. To. They do have to.
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See, they can control a lot of things, but they cannot change mammoth things underneath. They can distract you and lie to you, but they can't come back and obfuscate. They can obfuscate it. They can hide it under different titles and all this stuff we talk about as we unravel it, but they can't change it. Here's an here's another perfect example for you. If you go to the law library, there's there's three sets of law books in the law library. We've got the statutes at large, we mentioned a moment ago. You've got the United States code, which is only the Roman civil code. And then you've got the stat the code of federal regulations, the administrative states little laws, they call them. Yeah. So if you go to that, law library and you go get the volume of the statutes at large and open up the front cover, what do you think you see?
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I don't know.
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Well, the thing you see is the Declaration of Independence. And the thing you see is the articles of Confederation. And the thing you see are the Northwest Ordinances, and the thing is the Constitution. This is the primary set of law books in the law library, and those four documents are at the of volume one. What does that tell you?
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Yeah. That they are important.
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Well, they're law they're still law. See, the they they can't change those things. All they can do is veneer over them. And they've got a lot of power, but the power they've got is what they what we're giving them in this little tip. If there's one thing that I've come away from this and I preach at people that are here normally is you've got the power. You've got the decision to live under whatever set of laws you wanna live under in this world, and they can't stop you. And if they try to stop you or if they try to tell you you're something else, then that's tyranny, isn't it? It's open tyranny.
Well, they they know better than that. They know what happens to open tyrants throughout history. They know a lot better than we do. That's why they went to all this trouble over many decades to set this thing up to get you to answer those two questions, yes, and give them your agreement. You didn't enter into the contract.
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How do they justify killing Lewis McFadden?
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That's terrible. Well, they've killed a whole bunch of people. They got him the time at the Waldorf Astoria in New York at a banquet. They poisoned him, their favorite their favorite form.
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They've killed him. So they are tyrants. I I still understand how they're tyrants some of the time, but then they honor
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Well, they're only tyrants when they've got you. They're they're they're only tyrants when you haven't filed an affidavit.
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Yeah.
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And I know it's hard to believe. Okay. Look. We have that comment on here all the time. It's just hard to believe. And it's also hard to believe when you really get into it and understand it, how simple it is. It's simple as hell.
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But do you think if losing to McFadden was a national and filed an affidavit, they wouldn't have killed him?
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Oh, boy. That's a that's a good question. I can't speak for their minds at that point. But, I remember they hadn't started. They had not implemented the full program in his day. They couldn't really implement the full program until after 1954 with Brown versus Board of Education because that took the two statuses and made them together like it says, all US citizens are US nationals. Now they can just ask you. That overcame have have have you heard us talk about Plessy v v Ferguson, Tom?
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Yes.
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Okay. Well, that was separate but equal. That was the Supreme Court precedent. They had to recognize it. That e basically, it it validated the Jim Crow laws even though Jim Crow was not a black and a white issue, except that the white people were the nationals and the black people were mostly the new federal citizens. It was a political status issue, the whole Jim Crow thing.
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They were saying nationals and and US citizens were separate but equal?
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Yes. That's what Plessy said. Got it. K. Yeah. Okay. And so they had to overcome that. All the British just hold on. They had to overcome that. Okay? And so the way they overcame it was ran up this busing situation. It got everybody pissed off. They sent it up to the supreme court. Thurgood Marshall was the prosecutor, the, NAACP. And after they got this decision, which overturned Plessy, it's not separate but equal anymore. Now it's equal in the classroom, equal in the society. So they equalized the two statuses. Now they could have just as easily said equal in the white country club, equal in the society, but they didn't. They lowered it to the federal citizen one, k, of busing and putting blacks and whites and white and black. Well, what that overcame Plessy, and that's where they could only ask you one side of the equation. What if they ask you your whole life, Tom, are you a US citizen or a national?
What would you have done Yeah. What would you have done then?
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Well, yeah. What are what what's the difference?
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Well, yeah. What is this national thing? Okay. Well, that's why why they did that. And so as I figured that out finally a few years ago, because I thought it was different. And, and I kept getting fifty four fifty four fifty four. What in the hell? Bam. It hit me. And I went and looked sixty days to the day after Brown v Board's decision or opinion, if you will. Don't get don't get, all all jacked up over that. So, anyway, sixty days after that, they put the 1954 internal revenue code in place, and that's what we're under still. So there's the real answer to board is they had to get it simplified where they could ask you the one question.
Now we got you in the tax code. That you just see it if you look at it on a timeline.
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That makes sense. Friend is difficult as he's gonna say, it's Patriot Mythology to say that Brown versus Board of Education is about nationals and US citizens. You're making a jump.
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Well, I'm not. Because if you go to Brown versus Board of Education, what do they all say? It overturned Plessy v Ferguson. It it overturned the evil Plessy. That's how they say it. But I gotta read it. I'm gonna read it and see because till they won't, it was outrage. It was Okay. I don't it probably won't. And I don't know. Remember, you gotta remember, they don't think like we think. Okay? And they do these things and scheme them to get a a to get an object outcome. Alright? Now what else is important about that? It was after that case, guess what happened to Thurgood Marshall? What? He got appointed to the Supreme Court. That's Clarence Thomas's spot now.
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Of course.
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Okay. Now, Bruce, what do you got to add?
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Trading with the enemy act.
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Okay. Trading with the enemy act. Yeah. Well, I will. Thank you. Are are you familiar with, doctor Gene Schroeder's opus called Trading with the Enemy Act? It's on our website, Tom.
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That's something Yeah. I didn't I haven't watched the whole thing, but, yeah, it's about about the bankruptcy.
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Oh, yeah. And there's 85 different exhibits in there. K? So if your friend will sit down and watch that, he'll get the absolute proof of the bankruptcy. You can't deny it. Okay. Even attorney can't deny 85 different exhibits for God's sakes. And, and then you could go to another couple of different ways. You could take your friend to Black's law dictionary and go, let's go look under the bank holiday in 1933. Have you ever looked at that, Tom? No. Okay. Well, if you go into blacks and look at it, it'll say, well, the bank's closed for five days and blah blah blah blah blah, and then they reopened under regulations by the secretary of the treasury.
Okay. So what's wrong with that? of all, there wasn't a secretary of the treasury before that. He's the, he's the trustee in bankruptcy. And there were no regulations because there'd never been agencies before. So there's your regulations. That's the birth of the deep state right there as they change the money because that's what happened. They changed the system. Men that use gold to buy things and no one has a property ownership on them, they can then own the things they buy, and they pay the bill with real money. Right?
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Mhmm.
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Well, now after the banks changed, they issued paper money and they had regulations and and the paper money is debt. Because you see now slaves can't pay bills and own things because someone has a property right in them. They can discharge the debt and they can have control of the things, but they don't own them. That's why your car, if you own it, has a certificate of title. That's why your house, even though it may be paid off and you don't pay the property taxes, can be sold on the courthouse steps. Free people pay for things and pay debts and own things.
Slaves discharge the debt with other debt, and they can control things.
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If you use debt to to buy something, you don't own it. That's what you just that's what you're saying?
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Yeah. You well, you'd not only don't you own it, you can't own it. You can't own anything because someone's got already got a property right in you. This is another one of those words that we may need to mess with a little bit here and further define. And because there's another one a lot of people don't understand is property. So if if, a property is a right and the definition is in into a thing. So the car would be a thing, and your property is the right of ownership in into the thing. You can drive it. You can wreck it. You can paint it. You can sell it. You can do anything you want.
Okay? So that so then you can still do that, but you'll never get true ownership because you don't it doesn't give you a title. The title is the manufacturer's MSO, manufacturer statement of origin. Yeah. Okay. So that's just another example of all these twin definitions and and that kind of stuff. But, and the fact that well, let me tell you a story about John, my teacher. So he studied the law his whole life. He out of the old books, not out of law schools. Okay? And so, that's why he knows that's why he knew all these concepts to teach us. I'm not one of the few people that understand them, and I've talked with a bunch of lawyers. Okay? And Yeah. They they're not taught these concepts in law school. So John seizing upon that idea, calls one of the law schools there in Utah. Don't know which one, but he got a hold of the dean. So it's probably one of the smaller ones.
And he tells the dean, I'm I'm thinking about coming back to law school. Dean's going, man, we'd love to have you. This, that, and the other. And they get into a conversation, and John goes, well, I'm particularly interested in the word person. And the dean says, oh, okay. No problem. We teach that as an elective. And when enough students sign up for it, then we teach the course. And John very astutely said, when's the last time you taught it? Six years ago. So six graduating classes went through his law school and were a teacher in a course called jurisprudence, were never exposed to the concept of the word person when a person is used in almost all statute. Statutes are written for three things, persons, things, or actions, And the majority of them for persons. And I need to give you a good, a good story on that where my friend spent a year and a half in club fed because that word right there, person. Yeah. K? My friend Charlie Gray in Atlanta, he was, had a big antiques dealership, got crossed with the IRS.
They came after him for failure to file. He was a John Nelson student. Have you ever heard of John Nelson? You probably have not. He's a fabulous researcher out of Colorado. They killed his sister, tried to put a hit out on him years ago evidently. And, anyway, he was a John Nelson student. He goes, oh, I'm gonna fight him. And so he does it proper, which is quite a job in a criminal case, federal, and, at that level, which he did. He did a real good job for what he did. So his name is Charlie Gray. And so Charlie got two two, sitting federal judges subpoenaed and, got, the district director, I believe, of the IRS subpoenaed.
And I was in at the Federal Building that day. A bunch of us were down there crowded courtroom. Jury's in panel on one side. And this testimony was from the, district director of the IRS. And so, the the three stat the three, regulations they usually come at you with is six zero zero one, six zero one one, and six zero one two, I believe, Mark. Those three. And he had the district director there on the stand. Courtroom's jammed. Everybody's listening attentively. Director's got those little half glasses on, you know, for reading. And where they can tilt their head down and look at you over the top of the glasses and intimidate you.
Yeah. And so the district director starts reading one of those sections. All persons, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then he drops his head, and he looks over his glasses at Charlie, and he goes, you look like a person to me. And you coulda heard a pin drop in that courtroom. Now if Charlie would have known what we knew hold on just a If Charlie would have known what we knew, he could have said something to the effect of, but mister district director, a person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. I'm ascribed no rights, civil or otherwise, under the amendment and therefore owe no correlative duties. Yeah. Would that would that have been a better answer?
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Yeah.
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Yes. But he didn't know that. So Yes. And I thought that they I thought that moment right there was probably the reason he spent a year and a half in Club Fed. Now who was trying to say something there a minute ago?
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This is Jack in Colorado.
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Hey, Jack.
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Hey. Hey. Question on this topic. There's something I still sometimes have a hard time putting my head around with regarding jurisdiction. Is your is there any of all, is there anywhere where it's written what jurisdiction actually means? And does it stem more from residency
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or a legal There's there's well, of all, there's several different kinds of jurisdiction. We don't specify and differentiate them enough here. There's subject matter jurisdiction, and then there's personum jurisdiction. Subject matters, like, somebody was talking about amendment. Oh, okay. Well, let's just give a little background. Okay? So maybe you won't be as confused. Alright. We had a guy on here yesterday talking about going in and challenging jurisdiction on a traffic situation, and they didn't differentiate between the two. And the court's going, we got jurisdiction, and he's going, no. You don't. Well, that's because they do have jurisdiction over all the highways and stuff in their district, their judicial district. But they don't have personal jurisdiction on the guy if he's filed an affidavit.
So you're talking you think you're on the same subject and you're talking apples and oranges. You see what I'm saying, Jack?
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Yeah. No. That makes sense. I'm more thinking about, like, Tom's friend if he says, well, you do. The United States does have jurisdiction over you because you were born here, and how could you combat that? There's no criminal laws that state that.
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Well, I'll I'll show you how you could combat it, and it it says you've have you always answered those two questions? Yes? I'm a citizen of The United States. I'm a resident and signed something. You have amateur jack throughout your adult life? That's Well, I get for sure. But Okay. Well, well, hold on. No. No. No. Hold on. Then that does mean they've got jurisdiction, at least in their eyes, doesn't it? Because you gave it to them.
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Yeah. But now they don't. And I wonder I wonder how you can basically prove that.
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Well, you send in the affidavit. That's what that appellate court says over on on on, copper moonshine still. There's a quote over there that says, unless a person can prove they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can move on to assessment and collection. Well, how do you prove you're not a citizen of The United States? There's only one way. You gotta submit some kind of a statement to the Secretary of State. Why? Because the Secretary of State has always been responsible for passports since the start of the country. And if you're gonna issue a passport to somebody to represent him to foreign nations, you've got to give that passport identity the best you can to present him, don't you? Well, here's where they've done the whole thing is right there.
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Yeah. But I guess the argument is why why does The United States not have jurisdiction over nationals as well as US citizens because they're both equal?
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Because, no, they're not e well, they are equal, and that's my that's the question I asked about Brian Brown versus Board of Education. I don't know what twisted least reasoning they used in that case, but I do know that if you've equated somebody with god given rights and duties to somebody with civil rights given to you by a government, there's something wrong because there ain't no level that they connect on equal to me. Can you figure out one, Jack? Can you figure out how they're the same? I agree with that.
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No. I agree with that. That should be different, but I guess I don't know how to prove that The United States doesn't have jurisdiction over a national.
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Well, right there, the the, a national owes total allegiance to a small estate. That means the total small estate owes you protection now and not the federal government, which has been all your life. There how how
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So it's about it's about it's about allegiance, and and that's where we direct jurisdiction, not necessarily from residency.
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The whole thing's about jurisdiction. How does that non elected bureaucrat over there have the power to make a manmade law and not only attach it to me, but then come and enforce it on me. Where does he get that power? Then that's the question.
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If I'm a citizen. Well, if I'm a citizen, but really the question is why does he not not have that power over a national house? Because you've changed power. Because
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you've changed changed your allegiance from them to the state. If you'll look further to the smart allegiance. Okay. Okay. Mark, I let me just say one thing, Mark. If you'll look further down that sheet of below that statement on the certificate of noncitizen nationality, Tom, And and you'll see Under that they could define federal states, and it's capital s. The allegiance owed after affidavit filing is small s. That's the original states. And there's your differentiation right there. Okay. Mark, what what do you got to add here? We'll see if you can help track it. They're missing the connection. It has to do with your citizenship
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status, right, which gives jurisdiction. Yeah. Yeah. So what what gives your what what causes your citizenship status? And that is your allegiance to some entity. And in this case, you're either giving your allegiance to The United, states or you're giving allegiance to a small s state, which is one of the many states that make up the union of The United States Of America. So you get The United States and United States Of America. So your swearing allegiance determines your citizenship status. What citizen are you? Then from there, that determines if they got jurisdiction over you.
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So, Mark, that makes total sense to me, but is that written anywhere in any statute that you Well, you have to make the connections. You're not they're not
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gonna come out and directly say that, but you have to make the connections. Now the thing you gotta start with somebody who's questioning this is, one, are they open minded? If you put the evidence in front of them that proves your points of law, will they accept it? And if they're like, I don't know, don't waste your time. They're not they're not willing to understand. But if they're open to to gaining knowledge, there's, one of the best things you could do is start out convincing somebody there are two different citizenship statuses.
Yeah. And there's probably no better way of doing that than on the matrixdocs.com. If you scroll down near the bottom, there's a link to two pages of court case sites about differences between US citizens and state citizens, which are now known as nationals. So the title of that document, and it's in PDF form, is US citizens are property, US national, state citizens are not. So that's a PDF, two pages, and it's got case sites from different court, opinions Here. That you can look through that and look at those case sites, and you'll see very quickly there are two different citizenship statuses.
Mhmm. Prior to the civil war and the reconstruction acts, there was no such thing as a US citizen. No such thing. Didn't exist. You were a state citizen typically of the state that you were born in.
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So I think really the hardest thing I think the hardest part of, convincing somebody of this that doesn't know about it is when you bring in the feudal system because that's really the linchpin. And it also it sounds like you're bringing in fantasy and, like, dragons and stuff, but the truth is that's really where all the truth derives
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from. You know? Correct. Well, the the feudal system only comes into play when you're explaining that it's your choice, that nobody else decides your citizenship status here. Or that your property or that your property is in that too. Yeah. That's a good point, Roger. So I wouldn't confuse them with the feudal system upfront until things do they recognize that there's a difference between a US citizen and a state state citizen now known as a national. If they don't get that, they're not gonna get any part of this.
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Are you Yeah. And it's just not everybody's gonna be receptive to it, folks. I mean, I would have thought years ago that you would. And, it's been one of the biggest hitch upside the head things for me is there's only a few people that are that respond to this. We're very few. Now that may change, okay, as we go forward, But and we get in the right circumstances and situations, but there's only a few of us. And then if you expect everybody's gonna fall down and file an affidavit, you're gonna be severely disappointed. K?
Now here's another way to approach this without ever even going into law. For the ninety years of the country after the articles of Confederation, there was only one status, and that was the cell state citizen, now called the national. And then so he was whitey in Jim Crow. Well, what what happened to him? Where did he go? Did he just disappear off face the earth? And the difference is your legal personality, Jack, the your legal personality is from where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties. That's what person you are, and that's totally your choice. Nobody can tell you what you are. That's again, because they can't autumn as bad as they want to, you're my slave, you goyim little bitch. Okay? They can't do that because they'll be open tyrants.
That's why they've gone to all this trouble for all these decades to turn everything around so they can ask you those two questions and get you to tell them that's what you are.
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That's the whole deal. Does anybody know does anybody know when the last time they used the term state citizen, in law or, in the Supreme Court or any decision
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versus switching to national? Because it and It'd either have to be the early part of last century or the eighteen hundreds, and I don't know, Jack. I've wondered about that. But they've never used it past 1940. That's right. So I'm wondering if that would be in between Even though Jim Crow continued for fifteen more years. See, you look at things on a timeline. So they set up the national in the forties, and we got finished with the war. And then they had this big problem of all these agencies that were popping up under this new system, and they didn't have a rule book. So they struggled for thirteen years to get them a rule book, and that's called the Administrative Procedures Act. And it was passed in 1946 and it's still operable. And they they hold their feet to the fire on this one because it's codified.
So then we had to go in and set up the IRS, which they did in 1954 with an internal document called a treasury order. I believe, Mark, it was treasury order 51, and that's when they formed and split away the IRS from the BHF. Then three years later, they got board versus Brown versus Board to get rid of the the two different statuses into one where they could get your question or your commitment. And then sixty days later, they couldn't wait. They were absolutely about to crap their pants. Sixty days later, they put that 1954 revenue code in place, and it's still there.
You trace back any regulation, and every one of them will stop at nineteen fifty four even though there was an internal revenue code all the way back to the twenties and the thirties. They stop at 50 four. Roger. So, yes, looking at it on a timeline, you get a whole different perspective because it's not. They have to work on an event line because they always have to get something else set up before they can pull the next deal and put the next layer on the fraud. By the way, here's another good Jack, you wanna say, people don't believe it's the feudal system?
Tom, you know what the, you know what the symbol for the feudal system is?
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The pyramid? Yes. I don't
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know. Yes. The pyramid.
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It is. Oh, yeah.
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How much more proof could you give them than to turn over a dollar bill and sell it to them?
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Yeah. He wouldn't accept that. He would call that, you know
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Some kind of other evidence. Well, remember, this is a rule that was given to me by my friend at the time, Diego, the half shaman down in Argentina. We had a couple of different rounds of, interaction. And he had been studying power from the spiritual side for twenty years. And I've been studying it from the technical legal side, and our paths crossed, and we got a chance to talk. And it's one of the things that he told me I'll never forget. Boy, is it true? Power always puts what they're doing to you right in front of you. True. Very true. Okay. We've had a lot of discussion. There's a couple of other things I wanna say, but Merica's there, and other people might have something to add.
Merica's in your state, Tom, just down a little bit in the LA region. Yeah, Merica.
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Hey, Tom. Welcome. Just wanted to share I wanted to share something for Jack and Tom. So you explained, you know, the jurisdiction stuff, and, you know, some cases. But the main thing is that you can go back all the way back to the bible, and we are the people under natural law. We are under natural
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law. Then the legal system is under, which is The United States, is under,
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system is under, which is The United States, is under man made law. It's the land of the the law of the city. So that's another example to remember. And if you Paul is the example on the bible that you can also refer to and review and, read about it on there. It, it has a lot of different, books that you can go into and review that and just look at Paul. He's the natural citizen.
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We're the natural citizen under natural law. Yeah. Yep. K. And they're differentiated in the declaration of independence, you know, with the capital c. That's what they did there. And, you just got to try and plant some seeds. If your friend will sit down and if you can get his attention enough to where you get about an hour and a half out of him, give put that video, God's Trump card in front of him that's on the website. And, that I think is about the one of the better presentations I've done. And as I've said, the reason is because I show you how they've done and enslaved you in your mind, and then I show you how they enslaved you with that in your body.
And, that way people aren't as I think when you show them and try and explain all this stuff we've been talking about here in front, that they have a much harder time getting their arms around it than if they know that they've been tricked with these words, and you can demonstrate that to them. Yeah. K. Here's another thing you could ask your attorney. Ask him about is are there are there are there such a thing as constitutional rights? I hear everybody talking about them, you know, lawyers, attorneys, congressmen, president Trump, all of them. I hear them talking about them. Well, can you tell me which exact, rights are given to you by that document?
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Roger, the the another town Martha. Oh, oh, Martha. Hold on.
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Tom, can you tell me any the specifically what rights are given to you by the document?
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Can can I? Yeah. Well, the constitution, I mean, the right to bear arms, I guess, is the one that comes to mind. No. No. No. No. No. Those aren't rights. Those are protections.
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Okay.
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Those are protections for you against government. Civil rights under the amendment. Okay. So you see how words create realities? All these people, commentators, attorneys, everybody, constitutional rights. You can't take my constitutional right. Woah. Woah. Woah. Exactly. What rights does that document give you?
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But doesn't it say the right to hold and bear arms?
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Shall not be infringed. It's a protection. That's a god given right. The constitution didn't give you that. Got it. Yeah. That's why in the amendment, you gotta go and have a from a licensed dealer.
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Right.
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So they still give it to you, but there's infringements. So something that simple, you'd noodle on that for a while. That's profound. Excuse me. Excuse me, chief justice of the Supreme Court. What rights does that document give me specifically, please? I gotcha. Well, that's kinda that kinda makes you start thinking, doesn't it? Yes. Merka. Yeah.
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And and, Tom, you're studying law. Right? You're you understand how to look at cases and stuff. So if you look at, like, a you'll you'll start searching for the state of you would find the definition of this capital state. It tells you right there it's a corporation. It's, with United States. And then if you look at the cases, you also will find cases where it talks about the lower estate. Right. And that's the natural person, that has the their their natural rights.
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Right. Well, that's the doctor that I got in front of him right there with those differentiations, Marcus, so that he can see those and show people. I mean, look. Well, tell me, Tom, does the state department not know what the hell they're doing? They got a a a pretty damn expensive bunch of lawyers up there. Are they getting these things that wrong?
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Yeah. Yeah. No. That's what that link is so powerful because that's my my friend says, I can follow your logic, but it's all Patriot Mythology until you cite PACE's or state department links and and these other things. And so I'm trying to gather those into one page
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so that he can There's another write it off. There's another one. There's something else he'd appreciate, I think, Tom, which is the dissenting opinion in Wong in Wong Kim Ark. One of the most important cases in the history of the country that you hear it even bringing up now. Wong Kim Ark's the the big case on this whole birthright citizenship. Just opinion. Excuse me, Joe. Opinion that's gonna be probably issued next week. We're about to see, I think, next week, a slew of, these cases being released that they've decided over this term. They just about got to because they're going on vacation.
So you don't mind. But that dissent hold on just a Larry. That dissent is from chief justice Fuller, who was the chief justice for ten or more years up there. And, the other person that joined him on the descent was a justice named John Harlan, who I have particularly come to really, really, really admire. And he was one of the greater justices we've ever had too. In fact, he had his own nickname. He was called the great dissenter. Okay? Yeah. And, that little thing verifies it's the time you see anything on the feudal system. And they connect it to the amendment, and they say if this amendment, they, they call it the rule. It was the Civil Rights Act of 1866 is what turned into the the amendment.
And they're comparing that and saying, if this is the case, then, this is the case of a, of of when the man is connected to the soil. And it's a, a situation that's unchanged and unbending by time or space and, and it cites that liege lord to a liege man. That's the same thing as allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance. Liege is the root word of allegiance. That's where it comes from. Okay? And the allegiance due and owing to a lord. And for that, he gives you protection. It's automatic. There isn't a choice. It's an obligation. It's our teeth. Okay? And it's that little thing right there, and he says, this was coming on to our country just as England was being relieved of its inconvenience.
I don't remember if we've got that on the website or not. We should have it. I know I've sent it to Mark before. I've got it if you wanna drop me an email, Tom, and I'll send you the site there. Out of one of the most famous important cases in the history of the country. K? Right. So there it there it is again in William t McFadden's in my book. At one point on one of his speeches, he says, they're building a they're erecting a Machiavellian feudal system right out of his mouth on the floor of the house. So Right. People can see it.
Yes. And I'll tell you the other place. There's a a note that was written to Wilson from Colonel House was found in Wilson's possessions. Have you seen that, Tom? Yeah. I've I've heard you I've heard you recite that. Okay. Well and this is right. The we will make them sureties by invoking the ancient pledge. What's the hell's the ancient pledge? The oath of fealty where you volunteered into servitude. So if you know what you're looking, you can find it. But if you don't know what you're looking for, all those things are gonna blow right over you. Yeah.
Now there's a couple of people that say time and Well, you have to run off more example right now.
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Do you have to run off, Tom? If not, you have the No. No. No. I I I I don't. I'm gonna stick around. I just, sorry sorry for taking up so much time. I I really No. No. Look. Look. All the feedback.
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You're you're the this is the reason we're here, please. Okay? Cool. Cool. So there was there are two guys, Larry and somebody else. Mark has got follow-up. Who was, Larry? You were
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Yeah. To answer Tom's initial question, why do we use the word intent? Like in the statement, it is my intent to be a national. Based on my research, that comes from precedents, namely an antiquated practice and process, which involved a document called a declaration of intention.
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Roger, have you ever heard of this document? I have not. It's new to me, so continue because that's exactly what it is. That's perfect answer, Larry. Thank you.
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Right. So I'll give you an example. This document exists, And if you go to archives.utah.govgov, you can find this document. And it's titled To Become a Citizen of The United States, And this is a notary document, and so right below that title in the upper left hand corner, it says United States Of America, territory of Utah, county of Sevier. And then it goes on to read like this. Sevier. Yeah. I and I don't know if I it was hard to read his handwriting because they have a line, and then he's supposed to write in his name. I think it said NISLO, but I do know the last name is Rasmussen, r a s m u s s I n.
I, NISLO Rasmussen, do declare on oath that it is bona fide my intention to become a citizen of The United States Of America and to renounce and abjure forever all allegiance and fidelity to all and any foreign prince, potentate, state, and sovereign, whatever, and particularly to and then they have a line, and then he writes in his country, and his was the Kingdom Of Denmark of whom I was a subject. And then he signs his name, and then it says, here's the notary information, subscribed and sworn to before me this twenty eighth day, October AD eighteen ninety five.
And then, someone named George Kaye, like, his last name starts with a k, he he signed it there. And then his credentials were clerk of the US first judicial district court in and for the territory of Utah. And then just a little bit more, it says, I and then this is the clerk. He puts his name on the line. Clerk of the first judicial district court of the United States in and for the territory of Utah, do hereby certify that the above is true and correct Yep. Copy of the original declaration of intention of and then he writes in the, one making the declaration, mister Rasmussen.
And then in all capital letters and in all red letters, it says citizen of The United States Of America, and then it goes back to black and white or, you know, black ink. Now now of record in my office at Provo City, Utah. And then it says, in testimony whereof, the seal of said court is here unto affixed this October in the year 01/1995. That's all spelled out. And then there's two signatures, one by the clerk and one by the deputy clerk. And at the very bottom of this one page document, it says it has language that says a copy can be obtained for $1.
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You know, you can say a lot of things about Larry. You can say a lot of things about Larry, but you can't say he's not thorough. K? A couple of things in there. Mark, I want you to ask straw man. If you write in all capital letters, I'm a citizen of The United States Of America, does that make you a slave? Oh, thank you. That's an interesting, interesting, bring Larry. Thank you very much. Yeah. Certification of the clerk, and he's certifying that he's seen that document on file in some book somewhere. So you you now you can still do that with your affidavit that you filed at the property records office, pay an extra couple of bucks for it. Yeah, Mirka?
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One more example for, Tom. And if you guys look at the US code, it's eight USC 11 o one number three. The term alien means any person not a citizen or a national of The United States. We are alien to The United States.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. There's another one more thing. Show your friend. It depends on his frame of mind. It sounds like he's open, and so we'll try and feed him a little bit here, Tom. Can you see the advantage of our brain trust here, by the way? Yeah, Larry. Yeah. And
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and and I'm inviting him to the, national status feed him on Telegram too. Okay. Merv has got a group on Telegram. Okay. So, go ahead, Larry. So
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One last comment because I know there is someone after me. So during 1895, there is two law dictionaries that were that were available, Bauviere's law dictionary and the edition of Black Laws. So I looked up the word intent or intention, and they have it in Bauviere's as a conscious choice or aim. It also means it it is also your meaning, will, purpose, or design. Just FYI.
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Sure. Desire. Look. I don't wanna change this. I wanna be that. Here's another thing you could show your, your attorney buddy with a little bit of weight here is a Supreme Court case from the sixties called Afraheem v Rusk. Have you heard us talk about that, Tom? No. Okay. Actually, one of our students brought this case to our attention. I think off that document, actually. So, Afraim was a Hungarian Jew, and he, immigrated and he naturalized. And then they caught him voting in an Israeli election, which at that point was against the rules. And so even though there was precedent for the other say side that they could take his rights, he took it back to the Supreme Court, and they overruled the previous decision, which was only a few years earlier in the fifties.
And so, the Supreme Court decided that even though Afraheem violated the rules that were written and understood and verified by previous decision, they could not take his rights away. Why not?
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I don't know.
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You can't take somebody's rights away. They've gotta give them away. He got into it voluntarily, immigrated, naturalized. They can't come in and take those away. He's got to give them away. Now in that case, they don't say, oh, by the way, you can be this national guy. They didn't say that. They kinda talk around that a bit in the case, though, but there it is right in front of you. Okay. Yes. Now who said Roger there?
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Samuel.
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Samuel. Good morning. Yeah.
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Morning. In the Bible, will is usually preserved for God and intent for man. Man is to intend to do God's will or intend not to do God's will. I think that's where the legal force of it really comes from.
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Quite, quite an interesting, observation. Samuel's just north of you up there, Tom, around what, Placerville?
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Yeah. Yep. Thank you.
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Okay. Old Great. No. Yeah. Hand old hand around here. Roger. Yes. Is that Dave?
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It is. Good morning. Hey, Dave. So hi, Tom. This is Dave in the thumb, and you guys Roger asked you what you thought was the symbol for feudalism, and you said that triangle. Right? Yeah. And and then he he said, show him the dollar bill. And what was your response? What would he say?
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Well, he would say, you know, that's you're you're making a a it's it would it's like not evidence that would hold up for him. He would say that's cute, but that doesn't prove that you don't have to pay taxes anymore.
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Well, no. That's an Well, that's not what I'm saying. No. No. Dave, hold. It doesn't say you're not supposed to pay taxes. It says you're in the feudal system.
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Right. May I Well well, he wouldn't yes. He wouldn't get that too.
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He would just call it a coincidence.
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Okay. Listen. There's no coincidence with that. That's some that's the great seal of The United States. You ever heard of a tarot card shop? You know what tarot cards are?
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Yeah. I've I've heard of them.
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Okay. They they use that symbol. There's a sticker on the door of every tarot card shop that's that triangle with the all seeing eye hovering over it, and it says, new order. Right? Whatever the the language is. Now Yeah. No misorder or something. D I FDIC Bank, they have the same sticker on their door walking into the bank. Okay? That that great seal, that that triangle all hovering all seeing eye, that's the eye of Sauron. Right? That, that's been sealing the dollar. I don't think I've heard it's never sealed any document in America US history except that dollar bill, and it's been on there since 1936.
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Yeah. One of Roosevelt's, one of Roosevelt's buddies who suggested they put that on there, I read or heard.
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So, now there's a bevy of people wanting to say something. But how how do we know the seal? It's it's the seal of pewdleism. The United States.
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How did you guess that triangle was the symbol for feudalism?
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That was a heck of a guess. Hell, I I didn't even know that until a couple years ago when Sketch came on the air one day and said, no. You know what the symbol of feudalism is? I went, no. The pyramid. I went, oh my god.
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But is that an official, representation of feudalism or just the mechanics of a lot of people serving a few people?
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No. If you go to symbology, you you know, and you have different symbols for different stuff, and that's the symbol for feudalism.
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And it's top the guy at the top owns everything. More thing, Tom. Yeah. Yeah. One more thing. I I'm I'm gonna say your intelligent buddy who's an attorney, he's benefiting from these feudal slaves even though he is one. He's benefiting monetarily He's from that all seeing eye, unsealing
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his dollars. Well, he's let me let me He's also seen a lot of tax evaders go to jail. Oh, sure. So he's Oh, sure. He's got a lot of fear around Alright. You know, their real consequences
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for for not cheating. Have have you shown him 26
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have you showed him 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a yet and showed that to him, Tom? That if he's done tax it's tax cases, that that's the one you need to show him if he's done tax stuff.
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Yeah. Another thing, Roger, about the dollar bill?
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Yes, Mark.
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The the wording on it, e pluribus unum, which means out of many one, and that's The United States' Greek seal.
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Yeah. So, okay. Anyway, there there there it is right there. And like I said, power puts what they're doing to you right in front of you. Now I could don't wanna do it now, but I I think I've got the holy grail, and it is that triangle. You see, in Babylon, they only use three sides of a pin to trap something. In our country, we use four. And they didn't use rails. They used concepts. And this is a three conceptual triangle. And when you file your affidavit, what you're technically doing, the leg of the triangle, was when they hid state citizen behind national.
And when you file your affidavit, you smoke that out. You dissolve one of the three sides of the triangle, and that's why they have to recognize this.
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Well, and what are the other two sides?
[01:29:10] Unknown:
Alright. Well, this is something I read years ago. I had an experience, won't go into the whole story in Argentina. It was a it was an epiphany for me. And all of a sudden, dealing with this Diego guy, the shaman, on a situation of an accident I was in where there were fatalities. There'd been a lot of complications and a girl that I was very, very interested in that all of a sudden her daughter said we couldn't be together anymore. And so both of those things were, kinda coming to a head. I consulted my friend, Diego, who had spoke perfect English and lived in The US outside of Denver for six years. And I said, I'm gonna make damn sure she understands me. So now we've got time together again.
time was he was my Spanish teacher. And, so now we get to really sit down and talk about this stuff. And I'm explaining to him, how the position I've got this female in. And so I I'm explaining it to him. He's gotta go in a minute. He's he's very in demand. He got another appointment. And I'm trying to explain this story to him. And I'm saying telling him, and he goes, that's power. And I I just kinda wow. I don't he's gotta leave. I wanna finish the story. I know that's gotta be important. I'll get it later. And so I finished the story, and he said, that's what you did with your affidavit.
You stole their power. Hey. I gotta go. Bam. And runs off. Well, he left me with that in that situation. In my mind, I was in a real weird frame of mind for about two weeks. I call it a trance. It's the time I've ever been in it. This was it. This was the result towards the end. That situation happens, and I start thinking into my consciousness comes something I'd read thirty years ago about Freemasons. And it said that was the Freemason's motto. And the and it just came back to me. Okay? And it said, the Freemasons motto is a line, then another line, then a square.
Now what they're doing is they're getting you thinking linearly, but they're thinking conceptually and technically. So I started thinking. I said, okay. line. line. line. amendment. It set up the slave system. I was buying this feudal system. So that's the initial line. And then another line. And the other line would have been the passage of the Federal Reserve Act and them getting control of the money in the government. And the line is not a square. It's not a square square. It's closing two line open lines. That's a drafting term.
And so when you do that, you lay the line on and they hid state citizen behind national. And now when you answer those questions, yes, you're square in the middle of a three sided Babylonian conceptual trap. And that ain't patriot mythology. It's on the back of your damn dollar bill.
[01:32:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Very well said. Yeah.
[01:32:28] Unknown:
Now when that when that happened, I said it was epiphany. When that came to me, all of a sudden, I'm sitting in a little shotgun apartment looking at the Andes two hours away, sunset. And, in the background, I had Hindu. You know? And what happens, that tone vibrates your pineal gland. It works on the same frequency. Yeah. And that all is going on. All these things are happening to me. And all of a sudden, I developed a blockage in my sternum, behind my sternum. And, it it would I I could feel it. Okay? And there was pressure above it and nothing below it. And it it was like being constipated. Okay? Honestly. And then all of a sudden, you blow that out and bam. And that, whatever it was, went down my spine and out my pelvis, and I felt it. It was one of the most unusual things I've ever felt. K? And that's when I came to this conclusion on what I just explained to you. Now it's even better.
The date, May 2013. The day of the founding of the Illuminati, 13. They're big number. So that's how that where that came from. K?
[01:33:57] Unknown:
Great. Thank you for sharing that.
[01:34:00] Unknown:
But now what is that? What is the what is that? That's the Hegelian dialectic, problem reaction solution. What why is that important? Because they can take that concept and work that little magic formula on anything, and this is how they advance political power. And that's why it was considered the most valuable thing that was discovered evidently when the crusades when they the crusaders conquered the, the Arabs, and they took over King Solomon's house, and there weren't enough rooms in the castle or the house. And so some of the, crusaders had to stay in the stable, and digging in the stable, they found King Solomon's treasure. This is part of it. Probably, they say, the most important part.
Just what I explained to you. I don't know of anybody else in history that's ever figured that out before. K?
[01:34:59] Unknown:
The the most valuable thing was problem reaction solution?
[01:35:02] Unknown:
Yes. The knowledge of of and the power of that. Of the of of this formula and how to operate it and the power it can bring you. Yeah. They use it everywhere. Everything was all these false flags. There are there are there all this line and another line. Oh, here's these 911 towers. These guys, Oh, we got to go to war. Boom, boom, bam. And, and look what's happened. So this is a they use it everywhere every time. Okay? And that's what's behind it.
[01:35:33] Unknown:
Yep. Cool.
[01:35:35] Unknown:
So and, really, when you really get to the high altitude here, that's why the affidavit works right there.
[01:35:44] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:35:47] Unknown:
Now that's got some very interesting ramifications because we can do the same thing. We can use the same tools, not just theirs now that we understand it. So you could take once you take those two lines that are left and you could do, and build another triangle over them using this baseline that they were using against us. So it's got all kinds of interesting implications if you noodle on it.
[01:36:14] Unknown:
Yeah. It does. So Agreed. Yeah.
[01:36:17] Unknown:
So yeah. So now we change that black that black baseline to a white baseline. Now now it's freedom. And now we pin them with freedom and group freedom like populism, or or or maybe change the monetary system to golden or whatever, not dishonest. And then there's another way you could trap them in in the same technique. It's complex noodle on it. Yep. So has anybody got any comments on all that? Did I drive everybody off?
[01:36:54] Unknown:
Thanks again. There was a federal
[01:36:58] Unknown:
Alright. Somebody's trying to say something. We can't hardly hear you.
[01:37:03] Unknown:
Oh, it it does it is it is it major or keep
[01:37:07] Unknown:
Hold hold on. Without The United States. I think it's eight US code at 1746.
[01:37:18] Unknown:
Oh, oh, within and without. Okay. Yeah. The the jurats. There you go. That's a good one. Thank you. I think that was Alan. Tom, write down 28 USC section seventeen forty six and ask him what the within and without of the, The United States is in that jurat. You know what a jurat is? Yes. The penalty of perjury. One of them says, I swear under penalty of perjury, everything above correct, according to The United States. Laws of The United States. And the other one says the same thing except The United States Of America. Ask him what the difference is in those.
[01:38:02] Unknown:
Wouldn't I think he would just say that it's if if you were outside The US, g geographically.
[01:38:07] Unknown:
Well, the yeah. Well, it's not it's not geographically as politically. But that's a good suggestion. There there's all these little things. Alright. Hold on. I can't hear what you're saying. You're real muffled.
[01:38:23] Unknown:
It's red in Alabama.
[01:38:27] Unknown:
It's Okay, Rick.
[01:38:30] Unknown:
It's without The United States as in the District of Columbia.
[01:38:35] Unknown:
Yeah. As I told him, it's political.
[01:38:38] Unknown:
Correct. Thank you. But how will how can we prove that?
[01:38:43] Unknown:
I can prove it.
[01:38:47] Unknown:
Okay. Okay.
[01:38:49] Unknown:
It's in it's in one spot. This is Dan.
[01:38:53] Unknown:
It's a Hey, Dan. Well I haven't heard from you in a few Yeah. The Go ahead.
[01:38:57] Unknown:
No. I think, it's in the, it's in the UCC. It's in the UCC article nine, and I forget the dang number, but it says the location of the creditor, United States is in Washington, DC. It's the only spot I know where they actually say it. And, I remember Brandon Joe Williams, he sent off a foyer. He did a episode once where he sent off a foyer to, the United States state department asking them where precisely in the 10 mile square is this thing called United States? Like, is it in a file cabinet? Is it in this, like Yeah. Four or five couple square miles that's a little bit marshy? And they and they wouldn't they answered by saying they they can't answer that, and they won't they're not gonna answer that because it's in a The United States is technically in a filing cabinet in a file. Might be a big file. Might be the whole floor. Might be, you know, a square acre. Who knows? It might be a land mass.
[01:39:59] Unknown:
It's Roger. It's
[01:40:01] Unknown:
May I?
[01:40:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I Anyway, I hope VPNs.
[01:40:05] Unknown:
Is that Matt?
[01:40:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. This is Matt. Yeah. Hey. I just wanted to say, I I think if Tom actually looks it up, he will see for himself. It's very clear, 28 USC seventeen forty six, because it has two choices. If executed without The United States, then you declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of The United States Of America. So that's if it's executed without The United States. And if executed within The United States, it's territories, possessions, or commonwealths. Correct. And you just say, I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. So that's it. And so it makes it very, very clear and and, and you can look up the definition of United States.
Mhmm. It's it's, it's in in the UCC nine dash three zero seven h. It says The United States is located in the District of Columbia. What was that location? UCC
[01:41:09] Unknown:
Article 9 and then
[01:41:11] Unknown:
9 Dash 307 H.
[01:41:15] Unknown:
Thank you. He's a he's another one of your fellow Californians,
[01:41:19] Unknown:
Tom. He's, outside of San Francisco. You Matt, you were what? A big fire chief up there or something at one point? I was a cap fire captain. I I was a whistleblower with the Paradise Fires and some of these fires that are so yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm retired fire captain. Cool. So, anyways but, so I think that that'll make it very clear, those two things. So I yield.
[01:41:43] Unknown:
Thank you, Matt. Yes, Larry. Go ahead.
[01:41:48] Unknown:
Yeah. The previous caller to, to, Matt, who was that?
[01:41:57] Unknown:
Rich in Alabama
[01:41:59] Unknown:
in Huntsville. No. Right after Rich. Right? You said you haven't heard from him from a while for a while. Oh, Dan. He was quoting the location. Dan. Dan. Dan. So Dan, it's location of the debtor, not the creditor. Location of the debtor.
[01:42:16] Unknown:
That would be it. The country's in debt. The federal government's in debt. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Who else? Tom, see what what you've what you've brought here today. One little question on one little word intent. Look what has sprung Yes.
[01:42:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Dave here. I don't know if you guys covered this, but, what is it? Section one clause eight or, article one section eight clause 17. It says right there that the The US, the their jurisdiction only lies within the 10 mile squared or their, you know, their, forts and, magazines and whatever it says, court buildings. That's where their jurisdiction lies.
[01:43:09] Unknown:
I I got another real good one you could toy with him. Go ahead. Who said that?
[01:43:16] Unknown:
That that's that's where The US is. That's an article one of the constitution section eight, clause 17. Read that.
[01:43:27] Unknown:
Now here's another way you can that. Birddog him is because there's one place they've got to show you what it is, and that's in the passport application. So have him go to the passport application and, the oath. They've changed the oath since I started teaching this and exposed them, by the way. I think that's pretty good evidence. And, the oath basically says, I swear under penalty of perjury. I am a citizen of The United States, parenthesis it used to have. They've changed the wording a bit. This is how I saw it initially. K? I swear under penalty of perjury. I'm a citizen of The United States, parenthesis, or a non hyphen citizen national, close parenthesis. Yeah. And have not since acquiring US citizenship, parenthesis, or US noncitizen nationality, close parenthesis, violated any of the acts and conditions listed on page two of the instructions.
Parenthesis, unless explanatory statement is attached. Mhmm. Close parenthesis. I swear under penalty of perjury, the foregoing. Be true and correct. Why would they have you expressly tell you to attach an explanatory statement on this terms and conditions, which is, I didn't go over to Thailand and boink any little Thai boys or girls or smuggle any drugs back or do any of those things. Why would they held you to put an explanatory statement in the oath when two times in the preceding sentence, they have mentioned two different political statuses, and they don't tell you shit.
Why would that happen? And when I brought this out, they have added to the passport now. There's a master thing. The latest is five, and they the, the person authorizing it reads out the five options to you. A while back, you had to check them. But the last one is I have read and understand the warning box on page so and so of the instructions. Yeah. That's what they added to cover their slave and asses. Okay. So now what's the what's the warning box? Have you read that? Have you seen that? You did it. You just did a passport. Oh, yeah. I just It's in both it's in both apps. Okay. There's another question. Why is it in both the d s 11 and the d s 82?
Because it's the feudal system, and they gotta tell you you can volunteer out, and you can volunteer out at any time. That's what that is. The war in the church, you can attach documentation, comma, including affidavits, blah blah blah, but you better not lie. They don't tell you what to attach them for. We're down here in the oath on this boinking little boys and girls in Bangkok, they tell you right there in the oath. Why why not the two above it? So see see all these inconsistencies? But they've got to tell you in that document, you got you can volunteer out because it's considered a public information gathering request.
And that's something that came out of God bless at Watergate and the tran and and the, opera of any paper submitted by any agency to the public to gather information has to go through an office of budget management and budget, OMB check, to make sure it's all constitutional and then get a number, which means you can circulate it. That's why they've gotta tell you. They're telling you right there. And if your lawyer buddy can't see that, I don't you just check him, see if he frost a mirror, and go find somebody else. Yep.
[01:47:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Hey. Why would they they tell us to put it in affidavit? Because an affidavit stands as court evidence, and the only way an affidavit can be rebutted is with another affidavit.
[01:47:36] Unknown:
And they can't rebut it. They won't rebut it, and they don't rebut it. And they never have. And And your buddies and they attorney, he probably knows all about affidavits. Right? Well, ask him here's another way of approaching it. Ask him if he knows any Jew attorneys and how they think and how they they handle their cases. Yeah. Because this is the way they think. Okay? And so what we've done is we've exposed it. They've got a lot of power and influence, but they can't overcome your decision on what set of laws you wanna live under. That goes back to tell your buddy, ask him if you ever heard of Vatel's law of nations.
That's straight from Vatel. Every man has a right of personal, political self determination. How they've handled that is they've gone in and set up a process that says, oh, hey, Tom. You can expatriate. No problem. But you gotta jump through these hoops. Well, I need if I hadn't tell you this story, I think I got time. You've got a right to go exchange passports for any passport in the world, don't you? Mhmm. Yeah. Can they stop you from doing that? Only if you don't meet their requirements And you have to have another passport already. It used to tell you could call in the morning and go get it done in the afternoon.
So many people been doing it, and now it takes six months or more and cost you thousands of dollars to get it done. Yeah. I'm going to Argentina for the time. And, with my buddy on my visit trip down there, he's coming from Atlanta. I meet him in Miami and we meet briefly and then go every international flight is at the end of the concourse. So it's way at the end of this long concourse. And he gets down there, and he's a seasoned traveler and does his check-in stuff and goes and sits down. I've never done that sort of thing. So I had to go through a little more regimented procedure to get my boarding pass. And by the time I get finished, I go over and see Riggins and there's he's talking to this male and female. And so I sit down with him and he goes, Roger, I want you to meet so and so and so and so. They're with the embassy in Jamaica.
Oh, and, oh, hey. How how nice to meet you. Well, then they right about that moment, they called their boarding number. And so they, all seasoned travelers, got up and went on, got on the plane. They got around to me finally. I got on the plane and met my buddy. And so we make the flight. It's a nine hour flight. And, everybody wakes up in the morning. thing you wanna do is go to the bathroom. So, it's a big plane. Go go get one of the portals for the bathroom, and here in front of me is that guy standing in line to go to the bathroom. And he's a captive audience. And so we start talking. Then I said, something about because that was the summer in o seven that the expatriation thing really spiked.
He'd gone from nothing hardly to a boom Yeah. And taxes mainly. And so I'm sitting there. I said, boy, there's really a big spike in, like, people expatriating the country. And he goes, I know. That's what I do at the embassy. And I looked at him. I said, do you know there's two citizenships in this country? Two forms of citizenship? And he starts stammering. But but but but but his eyes get about as big as eggs in the bottom of a slop bucket. And he hauls out. So he knew? He knew? He I he didn't tell me. I'm just telling you what happened. He's about one or two people after we've been waiting to get to this bathroom. And I asked him that question. He noticeably reacts to it and gets out of line and runs up the aisle. I never saw him again.
Yeah. And I just discovered this. I had just gotten that passport. I was in October. I just gotten it in August or something. It was in o seven. And, so, anyway, he he believe me. He knew. He said now this is what he said. He said, I wouldn't know anything about that. You're gonna have to ask some of the attorneys up there in Washington. That was his statement, and bam, he's gone. So, anyway, there there's no doubt what's going on here. And, in in another way, you wanna look at it spiritually, Israel was, the Israelites were in Babylonian captivity for seventy. These bastards have got us in Babylonian captivity for ninety three.
It's about time. It's time to turn it around.
[01:52:08] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:52:09] Unknown:
Julie was trying to say something a minute ago. Jules, what you got?
[01:52:17] Unknown:
Uh-oh. She got mad at me. Her phone. Give her a
[01:52:21] Unknown:
Okay. Hey, Mark. What's your, what's your observation on what we've covered today?
[01:52:26] Unknown:
Well, it's it's really interesting. This took a little bit for me to get my mind wrapped around that the intent and your voluntarily stepping out of that US citizenship is totally up to you. And I don't think we touched on the case or to Tiki versus DRC No. We didn't. Which was a US Supreme Court case from 1835. And let me read you this, and then we're gonna tell you the story about I believe it was Bourbon, New York that had the phone call with the Oh. The the Department of State or the passport office. Yeah. So let's let's let's I heard that story. So let's look at Orta Tiki versus DRC.
The court held this is the US Supreme Court. They held upon the general and abstract question whether the passport per se was legal and competent evidence of the fact of citizenship, we are of the opinion that it is not. Right. Okay? So even your passport is not really evidence of your citizenship. It's a representation of it. And then, you know, Bob got the you know, was talking to the password office. I don't know who called whom. But, you know, they were trying to give him some pushback, and he's like, do you have my affidavit on file? Yes. It's on file here. And he goes, then I don't care what your passport says. Now think about that. How powerful that statement is. Mhmm. It's it's almost everything because only you can determine what your citizenship status is.
And if you decide that it's your intent to be a national, there's not a damn thing they can do about it.
[01:54:17] Unknown:
That case, it finishes out at the end of that little site, which a listener gave me. Thank you, whoever that you were so many years ago. It says, if the question the passport is an ex parte document, just as Mark said, it's a separate document. But if it is to the act or fact of citizenship, it should be on what paperwork is in possession of the secretary of state as the higher and better evidence admissible in court. So why do we send affidavits to the passport office? Because he's in charge of passports. If you're presenting somebody to a foreign country, you've got to should the best of your ability present them as what they are.
Right? So that's why they have to recognize this. Go back to Vatel's law of nations 1750. All men have the right of personal political self determination. It's also echoed echoed verbatim in the UN charter, And they have just hidden this old state citizen under this new label, under all these layer and layer of deception that we've been talking about here today, okay, all for two hours. And that's how tricky these little slaving bastards are, and they've got to recognize it because they can't overturn it. They can't even say no. Exactly what it says in Afraim versus Rusk.
So there's our power. And if there's one thing, I've been trying. I'm like Mark. It's taken me many years to get my arms around this mentally, conceptually. Hey, man. We've got the power. You know what the big picture here is, Tom? The big, big, big picture I've concluded is that Esau Edom has done all this to trick us into giving him back the birthright, and he's been very successful at it. Mhmm. And we're just taking Roger. And he can say no because he got it and acquired it under fraud. Yes, Dave.
[01:56:22] Unknown:
I just heard this past week on it it was either ABC Radio or local radio here in Michigan. They're bringing back the, civics in school, and they're gonna have the students take a test to become a US citizen.
[01:56:45] Unknown:
I I heard something about their neck monkeying with the, schools. Now, of course, education's all gone back given back to The States. Maybe the feds have some influence there. It's one of the I thought the birth control pill, taking prayer out of the schools and getting rid of the 10 commandments back in the sixties, man, those are that they they blew three key foundational things out of our culture and society and has allowed all this to come from. And the pledge. Yeah. And look at what else what else was happening? We talk '54 Brown versus Board of Education, getting everybody to only have one option, putting the Internal Revenue Code in play. All those they the the the the the music revolution that I was such a part of when I was young and influenced by and Free Love and Woodstock and all the rest of it.
The birth control pill, incredibly important, and look where we are. Uncontested divorces in California, incredibly important. Fifty fifty custody laws in in in divorces, incredibly important. All these things added to the deterioration of our culture and our society and look where we are.
[01:57:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Roger, I think they're doing that citizen test for the for the students is because of the all the nationals.
[01:58:08] Unknown:
I disagree. It's not being woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Sorry. I disagree. And here's why. You you're misinterpreting what they're saying. They're gonna teach them to the same level as somebody who's becoming a naturalized citizen. Oh, that's right. Forcing them to But you have Woah. Woah. Woah. It does not mean that getting their US citizen because they were a US citizen when they were born.
[01:58:34] Unknown:
No. That's fraud.
[01:58:36] Unknown:
Now they're not fraud. It's not fraud. It's not fraud. It's the feudal system. Yes, man. It's a feudal system, and they're not taking a test to become a US citizen. They just want them to be able to pass the test that's the same one that they give to people who are becoming US citizens. Now try check that. Yes. They're they're This point. They want the this here's what they woah. Woah. Thank you. Hold on. Hold on. What they're saying what they're saying what they're saying is that the the people who are becoming naturalized citizens know more about our government than kids or that are in the public school. It has to do with the education level, not about citizenship status.
And I'm sorry when, you know, I wanted to fight this too. But under the feudal system, when you were born, your parents marked you down as a US citizen, and you were a US citizen at birth, period.
[01:59:37] Unknown:
And put in bondage. And listen, that may be a a differentiated this coming week. One of these huge decisions is on the birthright citizenship thing. And everybody that I listen to, whoever's got the water running, could you turn it off? Thank you. The, one of the things that's really come out, Mark, and I really tend to agree with it, and they all bring, what case, Wong Kim Ark. And Wong Kim Ark's parents were here when he was born, and they were still I don't believe they were established. Anyway, the hint the thing's gonna hinge on whether the parents of the person born were established or not. As as opposed to if they were a water baby, then that's not gonna count. That's what they're trying to to get all these migrants kicked out. There's a couple of 100 of the babies that have already been born from the ones that came in illegally. Are they citizens of The United States? That's the question, and I think it's no. And I think that's what the Supreme Court's gonna say. And it's based on the fact that, you know, Wong Kim Ark's parents were established when he was born, and these people aren't. And that's why Trump's trying to get all these people negated and stop that shit. And even, that real constitutional professor, they tried to take his license.
And I can't think of his name at the moment. And and that he was saying he's done thorough research on this. He said, I don't know where this came from, but sometime in this time frame we're talking about, fifties and sixties, they started attaching birthright citizen to everybody and not just people of those who were established here already. So this is gonna be a big decision next week. And so I'm sure it's gotta come out this week. Hey, Raj. Let's hang up about it. Your lawyer friend your lawyer friend is a bunch too if you explain this to him and he wants validation, Tom. What, Paul?
[02:01:33] Unknown:
Sorry about that, but I did not have the end music on. We left Eurofolks
[02:01:37] Unknown:
thirty seconds ago. So Yeah. I knew it. I was watching the clock. So Yeah. Anyway, Tom, see, you you gave us two hours of programming today. God bless you.
[02:01:52] Unknown:
That was fast.
[02:01:53] Unknown:
Thank you. I'd like to just follow-up real quick on Wong Kim Ark. So the the the question was, were Wong Kim Ark's parents legal residents? Wong Kim Ark's parents were considered domiciled residents of The United States at the time of his birth, but they were not lawful permanent residents as that term is defined today. So we're talking I forgot how old Wong Kim Ark is. But 1898. K. So so his parents were not lawful permanent residents, but they were considered domicile residents, as Roger said, established as that term is defined today. This the Supreme Court's ruling in Wong Kim Ark established birthright citizenship under the amendment regardless of the parents' immigration status.
So this goes right back to what we said earlier when when Dave was saying, you know, you're born under fraud and you're you're born a national, no. No. You're you're if you're born on the land in in The United States and your parents mark you down as a US citizen, well, guess what? You're you're born out of the amendment, and by birthright on the soil of The United States, you're considered a US citizen.
[02:03:16] Unknown:
Yep. It's all part of the feudal system. It's gonna be challenged next week, and it's gonna be very interesting to see what comes out of them on this. We don't see these issues that are so important to us litigated at that level to this degree very often. Okay? And so it is gonna be very interesting to see their, Joe, their opinion.
[02:03:41] Unknown:
Yeah. See if they dance around it too.
[02:03:44] Unknown:
Yep. So, it's it's there's a couple waiting and, big decisions from them to be released. So, anyway, Tom, what else, buddy? I I I don't know if I can hang my Hey, Roger. I I gotta go. I gotta go, but I hope everybody has a great day. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Okay. Thank you so much, Mark. We missed you Wednesday, but I figured something was going on. So, we'll see you next week.
[02:04:12] Unknown:
Alright. Take care, everybody. Bye bye. Yep. Ciao.
[02:04:15] Unknown:
Oh, what a nice addition, Mark and Paul and some of the folks as we've stabilized in this format. And, it's such a joy to be able to have this kind of discourse on these type of complex subjects with no interruptions in commercials where we don't lose trains of thought and stuff. And Paul English is a blessing, and Paul Bieners is a blessing, Mark's a blessing, and all of you are blessings too. And there's something about us that's different and that's real special. And as a friend of mine said years ago when we were talking about this, it's been a subject to discussion for decades. He said, you are the chosen people.
And that has always made sense to me. We're the truth seekers. We're God's people. It seems to be the people that this resonates with. It's a spiritual connection. And even if they're not real spiritual at the time, after they get in and understand this, they become so exceedingly. Yes, Paul.
[02:05:17] Unknown:
This is a teaching moment, especially considering we have new people here. Because of the audio processing, I've added. Any noises in your space are amplified, because it's set to bring up the low voices to normal and bring down the loud voices to normal. So, if your mic is open, if you're talking, your mic can be open, but please try not to do anything, you know, while you're talking. And and if you're not talking, if you're not an immediate part, please press star six and mute your line again. And for god's sake, don't mow the lawn, don't yell at the neighbors, or do dishes while your mic is open because we're gonna hear every single
[02:06:06] Unknown:
drop of such. Yeah. And I don't mind the interruptions for questions. But if I'm in, like, the middle of something and intense, wait till I get a pause moment, if you would. Okay? Because sometimes that throws me off, and that's why I'm so insistent about intermittent, intermittent. Okay. Anybody else got anything today? Or I'm gonna take off and go get with the expats.
[02:06:28] Unknown:
Roger. Good morning.
[02:06:31] Unknown:
Oh, there's about three people. Who was the one? Who was the one? Scotty. Scotty. Yes, Scotty. Yes, Scotty.
[02:06:40] Unknown:
Boy, I can't believe the quality of this show, and I missed, like, the half hour. I just tuned in to see what happened with Paul English the other day. Did the level quality of this show compiled with with AI's, you know, dialogue that comes in that I watched the other show the other day? Because, Larry did say this smaller state without saying it was a smaller state. If you take with this the the links that, what's his name? No no full caps guy tried to put in the chat and blinks of some of the many things mentioned here. The ability for this with the transcript from the AI to teach at any level, but eat most most for the high level people. This would the the content in this show that wasn't even two hours is, like, 10 times the content of when you were on with the the the on on, RBN with with the the Yeah. That runs the RBN. Yeah. I just can't believe the level of this.
Incorporated with the links compiled with with the transcript.
[02:07:50] Unknown:
This is going to be able to teach at any level no matter how much you know or don't know. This is really something that's not. That might be worth, your thank thank you, Scott. And that might be worth earmarking, Paul, and setting this one aside. There's a lot of good technical stuff. Okay. Two a couple other people wanted me there. Who are who are the other? Okay. Thanks, Scotty. Thank you. You got your results. Thank you. It was relevant. Good lord of mercy. Thank you. Okay. Couple other people wanna say something. Who's that? Nobody? I'll go. I put There's a sketch.
Sketcho.
[02:08:29] Unknown:
I I hope you're doing well, and please have mercy on me, but, I have to ask the question. So so and I have to preface it that, I the question is can you put property rights into a trust and You had somebody that owns property rights You know, US citizen, would it benefit him or or the somebody
[02:08:54] Unknown:
that You're putting both Right. You're putting both of them in the direction. You you're putting both of you're that should be a question for Mark, thing I'm gonna tell you. Okay? You've already I was I did. I did. You went through his course, didn't you? You went through his course, didn't you? Yeah. I I was I was Okay. Well, then he's Mark was still changing so he could answer. Why do you why do you wanna do this? Why do you wanna do this? Well, I said please have mercy. I was just asking the question. I'm while I'm asking you while I'm asking you. Okay. You got a guy that's a trust expert. You've already been through his class. Why don't you go ask him? I'm not a trust expert. Okay. Why do you do this? I I I yield. I'm sorry. Okay. I just don't get your motive. Just don't get your motive. Because this isn't the time this has happened. You know? I mean, I'm not shaming you. I'm just asking. Well, you got a trust expert. You got a relationship with him. You you you want to ask him. You want to ask him?
I I agree. I agree. I yield. I yield. Okay. Now my answer to it, I was trying to give you, is you as the grand tour, I believe you would put example the house, and you're right in into the house, into the trust at the same time, wouldn't you? You would put the thing and the right to it into the same document simultaneously, wouldn't you?
[02:10:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's my answer. K? Okay. I yield. Start. Sorry. Okay. Thanks. Sorry. I I did say sorry ahead of time.
[02:10:32] Unknown:
I know. Well, see, you you already knew you were treading on thin ice. Okay.
[02:10:39] Unknown:
Who else? Okay. Now Frank had his mic open, but he was creating an echo. I muted him. So, Frank, come on in here if you got a question or comment. If you got a question. Well, now I can call Nick. I wanna use
[02:10:54] Unknown:
to use tonight. Go ahead, sir. Is it Frank? Go ahead, sir. Is it Frank? Yep. Thank you, Roger. And and thank you, Paul. And then, Paul, I wanna apologize to you. You mentioned him when he went to the after show and to Roger and to the whole, folks here on the call. Apparently, I'm guilty. My mic must be very sensitive, and I apologize for that at all. So I accidentally turned on my phone when I was driving down the hill to see my brother a week ago, Wednesday, and I had no clue about it until my brother told me when I arrived at his house that I had my mic on and you folks were acknowledging me. And based off of what Paul just said going into the after show, I apologize to everybody for that. That's okay. I yield.
[02:11:35] Unknown:
Thank you, Frank. And, you Rex just lives down the hill from you.
[02:11:40] Unknown:
That's interesting. That would be my brother, Steve.
[02:11:43] Unknown:
Oh, your brother, Steve. Oh, your brother, Steve.
[02:11:45] Unknown:
Yes, sir. I've been well, good. Thank you very much. And we're we're all learning. I mean, we don't wanna fuss at anybody, and I know people don't understand. You said these mics are sensitive. Holy smokes. They're unbelievably
[02:12:00] Unknown:
sensitive. Yep. Right. Well and even more so now because, and I and I don't know if this, like, makes any difference, to anybody. But any signals coming in from FCC, either nine dB too quiet or nine dB too loud are, like, pulled to right in the normal range. So any small noise
[02:12:25] Unknown:
that's going on around you is going to be amplified. It is. Like, if you if you got earbuds in and the microphone's down the lines and it's on your shirt, as you move the movement of that thing on your shirt, we can hear it. Oh. So, yeah, they're incredibly sensitive. So okay. Thank you, Frank, so much. And, who else has got something for me? Uh-huh. Well, I'm gonna go meet up with Jack and the boys. They are already in session on a brunch, and I told them I'd just come late. So, anyway, I'll get over and skedaddle doing that, and you folks have a really nice weekend. And, Tom, thank you so much for being with us today and and and, spurning all of this. I love these kinds of shows, and, don't you ever dare apologize for doing it.
Otherwise, we'll reconvene Monday morning, same time, same everything, I hope, unless the world comes something happens. If so, we'll do our best to come on the air and talk about it. Was that somebody wanting to say something right there?
[02:13:31] Unknown:
I was gonna say have a good day, Roger.
[02:13:34] Unknown:
Thank you, Marica. Okay. Go go pet Lulabelle for us, and, we'll see you on Monday. Gotcha.
[02:13:42] Unknown:
Thanks, Roger. A minute.
[02:13:45] Unknown:
Okay. I'm gonna leave. Thank you, Sketch. I'm gonna leave the, I'm gonna leave the stream up for at least the next twenty minutes or so. So if, anybody wants to continue the discussion from this morning
[02:14:00] Unknown:
Yep. I will. Feel free. You know, I'd I'd like to read a short paragraph from, Gross book. It's called his declaration of independence. I think it's appropriate for the content today. I'm particularly trying to avoid titles, statutes, codes. Really don't like using their stuff to not be their stuff. So me being the other stuff. But and he uses the term expatriation in this short paragraph. And what he's referring to there is the eight the 1868 expatriation act which was passed by Congress, by the forties Congress, one day before the amendment became the law of the land.
So here's his declaration of independence. I John or Jane Doe in the name of almighty in the name of the almighty creator by my declaration of independence solemnly publish and declare my right to expatriate absolute my res entrust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation of the District of Columbia, a democracy, and return to the Republic. Any and all past and present political ties implied by operational law or otherwise in trust with the democracy is hereby dissolved. I, John or Jane Doe, have full power to contract, establish commerce as guaranteed by the full 10 amendments to the Bill of Rights, to the Constitution of The United States Of America, a republic.
Now that's a nice way of saying I'm no longer one of your slaves. Without using statute or code or titles that they have come up with, and it brings it back to just prior to the amendment. That's why that expatriation term is in there. So I yield. Does that declaration imply that there is a foreign trust and that US citizens are a part of it. I yield. Thank you, Samuel. Yeah. One of the things that Bro says is, before this crap happened, you could decide and contract inside or outside the constitution by will, and you never were attached by that party in that contract.
Now we have agreed to so many things and are under this new program where there's almost nothing that you can do in the system that doesn't give you that party overlord telling you what you do, what you don't do, etcetera. And and like he says, anytime there's choice, bro says, that means it's political, and the courts aren't supposed to make any decisions based on politics, Supposed to be based on law. So anyway, I just thought to throw that out there. Gross is still a good read. It's difficult to understand until you really get past a bunch of his concepts because they are foreign to us because we've been brainwashed for so so so long.
Now yield.
[02:18:32] Unknown:
I I have one more question. I was gonna run by Roger, but I'd I'd love to throw it out here and see if anybody wants to weigh in on it. It's from reading the the handbook. And I noticed at the end, it says that all positive laws apply to nationals. And I was just curious if anyone could explain that or just, yeah, the mechanics of how that works or or why that's true.
[02:19:24] Unknown:
I think because positive law is considered constitutional.
[02:19:32] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:19:35] Unknown:
I'll bite.
[02:19:36] Unknown:
But I thought, like, the Congress was representing the states the union of the states, and so it's like, the federal government at that point.
[02:19:49] Unknown:
Nonpositive law is done through administrative process. Mhmm. They have not been voted on in the house. They have not also passed the senate. They have not gone through the waiting period for notice and comment, and they have not been signed off by the president, which would then be codified or codified, if you will, and gone into law whatever the date of that particular bill or whatever says. Mhmm. But that's positive law. Positive law has a trail and a trace. Nonpositive law is something administrators make up, and you've heard it a lot. Well, it's policy. Policy is not a law. It's just something somebody dreamed up at 02:00 on a cocktail napkin, and everybody agreed to it. Right.
Right. That's another way to control you. I'm done.
[02:20:42] Unknown:
Sheldon, can you give me an example of of a positive law?
[02:20:50] Unknown:
How about a capital crime of murder?
[02:20:55] Unknown:
Okay. What what is it? What do you mean? Expound.
[02:21:00] Unknown:
It's not just a state crime. It's a crime under the corporation. Because when you kill somebody, you're killing one of their resources because they're property. Somebody comes somebody comes up to your car with a baseball bat and does it in the windshield, that's your property. Well, it's not, but you understand.
[02:21:20] Unknown:
If it's not registered. Right?
[02:21:23] Unknown:
Well,
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anyway anyway, you get the gist.
[02:21:28] Unknown:
I think I think positive law has to be enacted by the whole of Congress Yes. Under constitutional authorities, dotting the i's, crossing the t's. Anything else is nonpositive law.
[02:21:43] Unknown:
With the consent of the governed?
[02:21:47] Unknown:
No. No. They don't need the It's a republic. So when you vote for that guy, you you better hope that you got a guy who's gonna do your your will. Right? But
[02:21:58] Unknown:
Yeah. You better look. Right?
[02:22:01] Unknown:
Pray. Pray. The operative word.
[02:22:05] Unknown:
And is that p r e e y or p r a y?
[02:22:10] Unknown:
Yeah. There's that old joke about this guy going to church on Sunday. He says, yeah. On Sunday, I go to church to pray with my my fellow. And from Monday through Saturday, they pray on me.
[02:22:25] Unknown:
Question.
[02:22:30] Unknown:
When was the federal murder crime murder, can't say it. Can't get it out. When was the federal murder cases?
[02:22:48] Unknown:
The ones tried. I have no idea. Think about it.
[02:22:53] Unknown:
Well, something like John Brown, you know, would be. And prior to that, I'm sure there's others. But
[02:22:59] Unknown:
Well, how was please inform me about Don Brown being tried for what what was he charged with in federally?
[02:23:12] Unknown:
I think, insurrection. Right?
[02:23:19] Unknown:
Attacking I stand to be I stand to be corrected on this, but thirty years ago, some friends and I and I were having a big discussion about this very issue. And what we came up with, the federal murder charges came with,
[02:23:50] Unknown:
Washington charged people with well, Washington also charged the Whisker Rebellion heads with death but commuted the the sentences?
[02:24:02] Unknown:
Because he couldn't. There were no federal statutes, federal statutes against murder, I think, clear up until the sixties. Well, that might be, but he had an army of 20,000,
[02:24:16] Unknown:
people who were gonna enforce anything George said.
[02:24:21] Unknown:
Now we're talking about following the laws, Samuel.
[02:24:24] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:24:26] Unknown:
Now we're not talking about we're not talking about doing that, which, you know, there's times that is appropriate, I would think. But so far as federal statute for murder, I I stand to be corrected, but I think you'll find it was in the fifties or sixties. And it may even been later than that, the hate crimes. You know, there was a big uproar when they started talking about hate crimes, and those are cap federal capital offenses. But prior to that, I don't think there were any.
[02:25:06] Unknown:
Well, the constitution says you could've been hung for treason. Right?
[02:25:12] Unknown:
But that's not murder. Okay. And I I would agree that is, that's true, and I think it should be enforced. And Lindsey Graham will be right at the top.
[02:25:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I think it's actually hanged for treason.
[02:25:35] Unknown:
I don't know what you meant.
[02:25:41] Unknown:
So Hunged by the neck until dead.
[02:25:46] Unknown:
That sounds good to me.
[02:25:49] Unknown:
Let's let's dig up McCain.
[02:25:53] Unknown:
Yes. There would've been another good example. There's a whole litany of them that that, have committed treason, but, you know, I don't care how bad you are anymore. There's there's too much complexity there. They're never gonna hang anybody up there anymore through the courts anyway.
[02:26:12] Unknown:
Yeah. The the problem with that, what goes around comes around, and both sides are steeped in it.
[02:26:19] Unknown:
Yes. They are. Yeah. The courts may may hang one of us, but not one of them.
[02:26:30] Unknown:
That's true. Hitler is still on the loose.
[02:26:34] Unknown:
She is, and so is Willie.
[02:26:41] Unknown:
And a couple thousand more.
[02:26:49] Unknown:
Yeah. But don't cross them or you'll be
[02:26:51] Unknown:
don't cross them or you'll be suicided. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Joe McCarthy was right.
[02:27:07] Unknown:
In in what manner?
[02:27:12] Unknown:
In a whole bunch of manner, but, primarily, they're turning the government over to the communist.
[02:27:20] Unknown:
Right.
[02:27:22] Unknown:
And everybody the media and everybody else laughed and congress laughed him out of and the schools laughed him into being a hucksters or whatever, but he was telling the truth.
[02:27:38] Unknown:
I don't know if it was in the book of the hundreds or broch pieces. I can't remember anymore, but in there's one of those two, the statement was made that we were communist a hundred years before the Russians even heard about the term.
[02:28:00] Unknown:
With the civil war, you mean?
[02:28:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, you know, linking linking with a pen pal of Karl Marx, and they and they they were running his editorials, I think, something like 3,000 of them over several years. And then there's these, these these two guys that Bruce talks about that I've never heard about before, Foyer and, I don't know what the I forget the other guy's name. Both these guys were pushing, socialism, which is basically communism way early on in the country, and that's one of the reasons judge Story wanted to make sure that he got the, the the the Swift versus Tyson case in law to protect us from that kind of torture
[02:28:59] Unknown:
through law.
[02:29:07] Unknown:
And,
[02:29:09] Unknown:
the, 48 ers that apparently came from the, some type of revolution in 1848 from Germany, were those the were they the ones that were revolutionaries that were defeated that came over to The United States and then infiltrated or got, hired into, the, federal government that eventually became the bluebellies in the, war between the states?
[02:29:49] Unknown:
Yep. And most of those, I guess, were German. In fact, that's that's the, yeah, era of my relative coming over here from Germany, and I've I've tried to find out if he had any political views. It doesn't appear that he did, but he came out around eighteen forties and left his wife behind for some reason. Maybe she was on the other side. I don't know. Unfortunately, a a lot of documents were destroyed in World War one and World War two and the parts of Germany that, they were from. So it's hard to get a lot of good concrete evidence on who these people a lot of these people were and what their leanings were politically and why they moved to The United States.
A lot of a lot of them just moved because they were sick of wars and strife and killing each other all the time, which they still seem to be wanting to do today. So without any understandable reason.
[02:31:36] Unknown:
Barbarians, that's you know, you are of your father, Satan. You know? I believe that Cain was, you know, the spawn of Satan, and, he was sent off to to breed an army against us.
[02:32:02] Unknown:
Yeah. The whole reason for World War one and World War two is because France and, England were jealous of what Germany was doing and never wanted it ever to be united with Russia. And look what they're doing now, blowing up the pipelines and creating war. And that's right now, I think the main perpetrator behind all of that is really England.
[02:32:45] Unknown:
Anybody wanna talk about notices?
[02:32:51] Unknown:
Open open forum. Go for it.
[02:32:55] Unknown:
Well, I'm getting ready to do my Washington notices,
[02:33:00] Unknown:
and
[02:33:01] Unknown:
I'm getting ready to use a firm book for the time. Anybody use a firm book before? For the postal service?
[02:33:13] Unknown:
Oh, that thing. Yeah. No. I've never used it.
[02:33:19] Unknown:
Well, it's my understanding. You can save a lot of money by doing your notices and having your certified return receipts
[02:33:29] Unknown:
all in one of those firm book pages, multiple notices to all the different agencies.
[02:33:38] Unknown:
My, Kate, is you would wanna do every single one you can possibly imagine for that state so you wouldn't have to go back and
[02:33:48] Unknown:
do an addendum or an additional one, just get it all done at once. I was just curious
[02:33:54] Unknown:
if any of you guys have notice this experience.
[02:33:58] Unknown:
Do you have the solicitor general on your list?
[02:34:02] Unknown:
No. But I will. It's in Washington state.
[02:34:07] Unknown:
Sherry brought that up, and I looked into the solicitor general, and that may well be a very good place for us. It it seems to be different state to state what their authorities are. But in general, it looks like they have a lot to say about what constitutional law is, let's say, state and the federal government, which would make it sort of critical for, you know, serving our paperwork to the proper authorities. I think they might fit that bill. So
[02:34:43] Unknown:
I understand. Anybody have you have any of you been on, nationalstatus.info and checked out Dave and Kaye's information? That's where I did my sample affidavit to the secretary of state, Lincoln, back in July. I was just curious. Alright. I yield.
[02:35:30] Unknown:
Sorry about that. Get on that firm book because that's one of those things that nobody knows about, not even the employees in the post office, and that's gonna go by the wayside. What's this? Oh, we haven't used that in decades. Let's get rid of it. And watch these things slowly evaporate. I've it's happened with other things. I see it happening with this too. Just like pro se, they want you to go out and hire an attorney. They want you to go hire somebody from their own team. And when people start going pro se, even though it's, written everywhere, watch that dissolve in another three, four decades. I'm done.
[02:36:26] Unknown:
I got a question. I brought up the fact that they wanna bring back civics and have the students take a US citizen test. You think that's a good thing or a bad thing? Mark thinks it's a good thing because they want they want the students to know more about the government than the foreigners do, whatever. I disagree with that. I personally believe if they got them saying they're US citizens because their mama did and they took a test, that's gonna be even harder to convince them that they're nationals. Anybody?
[02:37:09] Unknown:
Dave, you're talking about a bunch of bullshit. But but going from the rainbow
[02:37:13] Unknown:
telling guys to wear dresses, then now they're gonna teach civics. It's still indoctrination no matter what it is. There's nothing good about it that's being told from above what they gotta do. They're getting paid. So it's all a bunch of nothing is what I'm saying. It's not gonna be anything good is what I'm saying. It's just some some distraction, cover some asses, and make as you're saying, to confuse, to keep people from learning what's important, which would actually be not what you're gonna learn at school.
[02:37:48] Unknown:
Thank you. I agree. I think, George, were were you gonna say something about that? Well, I got a question. Samuel mentioned republic. You know, does anybody know when and if we were ever really a republic?
[02:38:19] Unknown:
When they when they sing the star spangled banner. The guy with the notices, what did he wanna put notices into?
[02:38:35] Unknown:
Probably for those few feet until Franklin got in his buggy and rode away after the meeting.
[02:38:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm at the notices stage where I have to notice all of my state and local officials that I'm now a national. I'm on I'm out from underneath their jurisdiction.
[02:38:57] Unknown:
So I
[02:39:00] Unknown:
There there is a, Roger had a thing where let me go find it. One second. Go ahead.
[02:39:19] Unknown:
Yeah. I just wanted to see if any of you guys have ever used one of the firm books because I haven't read the in the instructions yet.
[02:39:28] Unknown:
L three. L l three. She was the one who brought that up.
[02:39:32] Unknown:
I don't think she's here or she probably would have stepped in and talked about it, but she uses Matt. And she'd be the one to talk to about that.
[02:39:41] Unknown:
So this this is Matt. Can you guys hear me? I've I've I was mute Yeah. We hear you. Yeah. So so, I tried speaking up for background noise. Somebody's making a sandwich or wrapping it up and something, but it's pretty loud. Go ahead, Matt. Yeah. So I I've got a firm book here. I used it for years, doing all my notices I've got. Let's see. But it was starting back in, like, I don't know, 2020, I think, something like that. And so I've got they're pretty thick. They're like it's like an inch thick and I've got had done it about at least a quarter of it. So quite a few notices I sent with it, but, you know, it's only ever gonna be good if I end up going to court to prove that I sent it. So other than that, it's pretty simple to use, and it's it would save you money. I it could save you money or maybe it did save me money. I probably did save me money.
But, whatever. I've stopped using it. I've stopped using it. I don't use it anymore, and I've never been to court needing it for needing to prove that I've sent anything as of yet. So it's just easier for me just to send stuff either certified or registered instead of dealing with it. But I have it here, and I can explain how to use it if need be or whatever. So I yield.
[02:41:04] Unknown:
I understand what you're saying. It's not really financially gonna break the matter. I was just because when I sent the affidavit to this SOS, it was certified mail, return receipt, and I'm one of the guys that never got a green card back. I had to get just get the proof off the USPS website. I'm also wondering if I should go ahead and just send the new one to the new secretary of state since I haven't done anything else yet, but that's probably not a good idea. Anyways
[02:41:41] Unknown:
Hi. This is Chris from California. I recommend that you always send everything by registered mail
[02:41:51] Unknown:
instead of certified.
[02:41:52] Unknown:
There's this thing of holding court by registered mail. Registered mail has a chain of custody. Certified does not. It's very sloppy and unreliable. Registered mail is completely reliable. There's a chain of custody with everybody who touches it and moves it. It's under lock and key. It gives you a court record. Stay with registered mail. It's worth the price.
[02:42:20] Unknown:
I found my notice. I could read it to you guys. Notice legal waffle. Notice to the principal. Notice to the agent. Notice to the agent. Notice to the principal. Please find enclosed citizenship evidence now on file with the United States Department, of state secretary of state of The United States Of America. Please place this firmly and permanently in your administrative file. Please adjust your actions and agent's actions accordingly. Hugs and kisses, Alan Sahara. And I send it to I send it to IRS. I sent it secretary of state of The United States. I was I sent it to the attorney general of Indiana, IRS commissioner, Stark County sheriff, Stark Stark County coroner, Stark County health department
[02:43:34] Unknown:
For what?
[02:43:36] Unknown:
Stark County prosecutor, legislator, Knox, city court.
[02:43:44] Unknown:
I'll be right back.
[02:43:46] Unknown:
Please tell me about Stephanie.
[02:43:49] Unknown:
Andrew.
[02:43:52] Unknown:
You should not have put hugs and kisses, period. That is not gonna work well for you.
[02:44:01] Unknown:
Anyway. Right. I said to put that
[02:44:06] Unknown:
I've heard Roger say to put that, he was probably being facetious, but that could be considered a solicitation.
[02:44:13] Unknown:
Paul Paul did that, and it did not work well for him.
[02:44:18] Unknown:
I also sent it to the DMV commissioner, and also to the FBI, NCIS, and NCIC. And the last since, 2009 when I bought a firearm because of the, documents they put in after the after the collapse of the towers, I had to wait five days waiting period to get a firearm. I couldn't get it that day. And since I sent this to the FBI, NCIS, NCIC, The last, I did it about a year and a half ago, I did my affidavit, and I sent all this stuff out. The last five firearms I bought in the last year and a half, I had no waiting period. They gave me the firearm right away because as a national, they don't have jurisdiction over me anymore.
And even my my firearms guy said, I can't believe you don't have the weight anymore. And I told him why, because I filed my affidavit as a national.
[02:45:41] Unknown:
Why don't you make your own firearms?
[02:45:47] Unknown:
I'm not a machinist. And,
[02:45:49] Unknown:
You don't have to be a machinist. All you needed basically was wood shop, and I think you're old enough to have had wood shop and used the router.
[02:46:00] Unknown:
Okay. It's called an 80%. Have you heard of that? Yep. So the the the receiver part of the firearm is the firearm. That's why you could have barrels and triggers and all kinds of stuff directly mailed to you. But the receiver, the actual firearm, you could buy in 80%, and that means that it's 80% constructed, and it just needs one other one or two other steps to complete it that it becomes an actual firearm. For example, you may have to go buy a certain size drill bit, and then you have to drill, like, where they have it, like, marked and, you know, and then insert something there or whatever.
And, then it becomes a 100% validated firearm. And, you know, then you don't have to register it. There's no it you created it, basically.
[02:47:00] Unknown:
When when you buy the eighties percent, they give you the drills and everything with it and the and the, form you put it in, but you need a drill press who helps to do it.
[02:47:13] Unknown:
That's called a lower, 80% lower.
[02:47:16] Unknown:
Those are those are $50 at the pawn shop or liquidation store, the drill press.
[02:47:26] Unknown:
The gentleman that got I'm sorry, Brent. Go ahead.
[02:47:30] Unknown:
Or you can spend a $100 over at low down dirties or a home rip off.
[02:47:39] Unknown:
The gentleman that got these firearms within a day, would you please do yourself and a lot of people a favor and come on the show your Tuesday or Wednesday during showtime? This has to be documented. You're the that's that's done this. More people need to know about this. Thank you. I've mentioned it on the show before. I I will, though.
[02:48:02] Unknown:
Okay. I must have been sent then. Do you have Thank you. A concealed? Sorry, Sheldon. Alan, do you have a concealed carry permit?
[02:48:12] Unknown:
I did get one from the state of Indiana when they were free about eleven years ago. And it's fired? Pardon? No. It's it's a lifetime one. It's a lifetime one. Yeah. But not a state of Indiana. Time ones? Oh. This yeah. The state of Indiana passed a a law that if you're a on a citizen, you don't need a permit to conceal carry in Indiana. If you're a what? If you're a legal citizen, and don't have a criminal record, you can carry in the state of Indiana without a perm. I think, has the same Florida has the same thing.
[02:48:57] Unknown:
So I don't have a concealed carry, but I heard that if you had one, you they bypass that five day wait period because you've already been vetted.
[02:49:11] Unknown:
So if you that may not be true, but I don't I don't know if that's true or natural or not.
[02:49:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Not anymore. When when 09:11 happened, before 09:11, I used to get my guns right away. After nine eleven, I had a five day waiting period. And since I sent my notice, to the FBI NCIS and CIS. The, no waiting period anymore because they don't have jurisdiction over a national.
[02:49:52] Unknown:
I'd like to throw something in there since we switched over to firearms.
[02:49:59] Unknown:
Go ahead.
[02:50:00] Unknown:
I I've I've told this the radio show before that I went into the local sportsman's warehouse in Chewahlef, Washington and did their their procedure of standing there and doing your hunter safety before he were able to proceed to try to purchase it and gave them my, you know, my affidavit. But they don't contact the FBI. They contact the ATF. The ATF said that now that I'm a national, I need to get a nonresident daily something. Just kinda curious. My plan is once I get my notices all out, like that previous gentleman that has sent his to to the FBI NCIS, whatever.
That part of my individuals that will be noticed will also be the ATF. I know that they're all under the Department of State, I believe, the Department of Justice. So I'm just my mind has wandered towards not only officials that are gonna be at notice, but the feds also. Not you.
[02:51:08] Unknown:
Does anybody know the best place to get an 80%? Where's the best place to get an 80%?
[02:51:19] Unknown:
Just put in 80, and and and Wi Fi will come up, I think.
[02:51:23] Unknown:
There's several places. Delta Team Tactical out of Utah has them. They tend to be affordable price, a lot more affordable. Gorillamachining.com has them. They're out of Florida. You'll have it in a week, and several others. 80% arms. All kinds of places.
[02:51:51] Unknown:
I would check your restrictions on your state as to whether 80% lowers are available in your state because, I live in New York, and New York is on every single damn list there is for the prohibition and inhibition of obtaining firearm parts.
[02:52:11] Unknown:
New York doesn't allow you to do anything, Paul. I know. I know. What are you still there for?
[02:52:19] Unknown:
Tell me about that, sir. Pretty sure that when you if you go to buy that at any, website and you put your address in, they won't ship it if it's in a restricted state.
[02:52:31] Unknown:
Yeah. And if you live if your billing address is in a restricted state, they still won't sell it to you even if you have it shipped to another address.
[02:52:46] Unknown:
Who's the gentleman in that know what's getting your arm without a waiting period. What what's his name?
[02:52:51] Unknown:
Alan.
[02:52:53] Unknown:
I'm really surprised. I'm really surprised, Alan, because from what you read in your affidavit, that was not properly formed, and they could have punched holes in it if they wanted to. Particularly your agency notification. It's notice to agent is notice to principal. Notice to principal is notice to agent. That's one thing, And it's supposed to be placed this firmly and permanently in my administrative file. You said your administrative file. So I don't know how they interpreted that, whether or not they have a master administrative file that covers everybody. I just don't get it. Signing it hug hugs and kisses is antagonistic, and it and it is in keeping with a righteous indignant attitude that, well, you bastards enslaved me. Now I know what you're going on. Now I know what's going on, and I'm here to tell you I ain't that. So hugs and kisses, son of bitch. I'm out of here.
You know, righteous indignation, that kinda works, but it's still gonna piss them off. Anyways, that that was just my two cents. Could
[02:54:09] Unknown:
you read your affidavit one more time, and then can you go over quickly how you walked out with a firearm without any waiting period, please? Thank you. Right.
[02:54:21] Unknown:
Please.
[02:54:23] Unknown:
Because I'm surprised that worked. Notice notice to the principal, notice to the agent, notice to the agent, notice to the principal. Please find enclosed citizenship evidence now on file with US Department of State, Secretary of State of The United States Of America. That that would be my affidavit I sent to the Secretary of State of The United States. Please place this firmly and permanently in my administrative file. Please adjust your actions and agents' actions accordingly. Hugs and kisses, Alan Sahara. And then I did send it to the FBI, NCIS CIA, NCIC, and the, what is the what's the one with the firearms?
[02:55:42] Unknown:
ATF.
[02:55:43] Unknown:
ATF. ATF. I did send it to ATF also. And since then, I don't have the waiting period. Year and a half now. It's it's really good that worked. The website after this show is posted, there's a transcript there, and you just scroll down to the bottom, of the show, and what I said is on the transcript.
[02:56:14] Unknown:
Well, it certainly will be as soon as the show goes off air.
[02:56:19] Unknown:
Yes. And and, Paul, you know, by him not saying notice to is notice, he's just saying that he's sending a notice to the principal, a notice to the agent, a notice to the agent, and a notice to the principal. Right?
[02:56:35] Unknown:
Yeah. I guess.
[02:56:36] Unknown:
That's what I said. But which agent? I said that.
[02:56:40] Unknown:
But which agent did you send it to? See, that's the thing. No. That's the thing. Well You know, notice to principal saying. Notice to agent. Hang on. Hang on. Let me say let me say this. Notice to principle, notice to agent. Okay? By saying notice to principle is notice to agent, all you have to do is notice the principal, and then all the other agents are covered. Notice to agent is notice to principal. Any agent that's been noticed automatically goes up the chain to the principal. Now that would work if you sent one to every single employee of every single agency in every single state because you would have to notice the agents individually.
[02:57:30] Unknown:
I did. I I I did the IRS commission. I did the secretary of state of The United States. I did, attorney general of Indiana, IRS commissioner, state, Star County sheriff. I did, Star County coroner.
[02:57:50] Unknown:
I know. I know. I know. I heard the list. I heard the list. Okay. But the but the the complete directive is notice to principle is notice to agent. Notice to agent is notice to principle because you're making a claim. You're making a declaration, a demand as it were. But you don't
[02:58:11] Unknown:
ask questions in a notice. He asked them to put it in their file, so it's a good thing he didn't put the notice because he asked the question. You don't ask questions in a notice.
[02:58:22] Unknown:
If I may, what we're doing a critique here. You didn't notice you don't notice the corporation. You said United States Of America. You should've just stopped at United States because United States Of America is where you're headed back to. But it's probably immaterial since it works. I'm done. You could say United States Inc. Yeah. Yeah. Be much better.
[02:58:50] Unknown:
Mhmm. Now like I said, it's it's all well and good that that worked, but I'm really, really surprised that that form worked. I'm really surprised.
[02:59:02] Unknown:
So good on you. I got I got this notice, verbiage off of, Roger's website.
[02:59:12] Unknown:
No. You didn't. Not with the missing word is. No. You didn't.
[02:59:19] Unknown:
I thought I did. Anyway
[02:59:22] Unknown:
Uh-uh. Is everybody having, audio issues?
[02:59:28] Unknown:
Well, yeah. There's just me. There's there's just there's somebody unmuted and there's, like, a little bit of noise, a little bit of echo, whatever. It would be canceling out, it would be canceling out people. Like, Larry is unmuted, but I know he's muted locally. Dave is unmuted. Brent is unmuted.
[02:59:52] Unknown:
Let's see. Yeah. I'm trying to say something. Okay. That audio problem, Dave.
[03:00:02] Unknown:
Okay. And Alan is unmuted as well. So any noise at any one of those people in the background will interfere with the person who's speaking. I'm just saying. It's the nature of the beast. Sorry about that.
[03:00:18] Unknown:
Okay. This is Larry. Allen, so you walked into a an FFL, and then tell us what happened. How you walked out of there with a firearm?
[03:00:29] Unknown:
Yes. The same dealer that I've been dealing with for the last three years, and he couldn't believe I didn't have the waiting period.
[03:00:43] Unknown:
So he did a background check, and he just said, you know, it looks like the information is telling me to just hand you the firearm.
[03:00:52] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:00:56] Unknown:
And you didn't have this, convenience before you sent your notices?
[03:01:04] Unknown:
Right. Or my affidavit. Because I sent my affidavit with the notices.
[03:01:14] Unknown:
And that's all you did? You didn't you didn't try to present your passport when you were there or anything else. You just walked in there and said, I wanna buy a firearm, and here's my affidavit. And then they phoned whoever they phoned, and then they handed you the firearm.
[03:01:29] Unknown:
Yes. Yeah. They they got a form you fill out. I forget what the number of the form is. And they check it with, with the, FBI or whoever, ATF, and ATF says give him the gun.
[03:01:46] Unknown:
He had a prior relationship with this gentleman for however many years, so he knows you were an upstanding citizen. So he was on your he was in your cabin from the get go. That's good. Yep. Yes. Yeah. He was,
[03:01:59] Unknown:
but nothing he could do about it. They told him to wait five days.
[03:02:07] Unknown:
So it was not it was absolutely 100% not because this this, shop owner knew you, because before you sent in your notices, he had a he told you you you have to wait a few days, per law. And then after you sent in your notices, everything changed, and he was even surprised? Was that his reaction too?
[03:02:34] Unknown:
Yes. And I told him what I did, and he couldn't believe it. But the last five firearms I bought, I look on the Internet and I get them for a real good price, so I buy a few. And, he's he he just does the he does what the ATF tells him to do. Give me my firearms.
[03:02:57] Unknown:
So you could buy firearms online, and then you have them shipped to this store, and then you just walk right in there and grab them?
[03:03:05] Unknown:
Yes.
[03:03:07] Unknown:
Wow. That's pretty impressive.
[03:03:09] Unknown:
Yep. You go to, gungunbrokers.com. There's three or four websites that sell. You can buy firearms over the Internet. They shoot them to your FFL, and then your FFL does the background check, and, you get the firearm. The last the last thing I bought the last thing I bought was a a target rifle. What's the name of the company? Anyway, it's it's it's a thousand yard rifle and, starts with an s. Anyway, it was like $950 retail at the at the factory. I went on Gunbrokers. I got it for $700. A guy in Florida bought about six or eight of them and discounted them. I got it for $700. He sent it to my FFL, and, I went in.
The FFL did the background check, gave me the rifle. Did you,
[03:04:19] Unknown:
did you used used to have a permit, like, a a per because if you have a permit with the state, you can go in there and there's no waiting period in most states. Not not in Indiana.
[03:04:31] Unknown:
Not since 09/11.
[03:04:34] Unknown:
Was this under Biden or Trump or both? Did you do your purchases under Biden or Trump or both?
[03:04:51] Unknown:
The last year and a half has been under Trump.
[03:04:56] Unknown:
Well, past five months is under Trump, but it was under Biden also.
[03:05:04] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. So under under under Biden also. Yeah. Because it's been a year and a half I've been buying. I had this, where I don't have the waiting period.
[03:05:13] Unknown:
How do you, do you do you, carry a a firearm with you and you don't even bother Roger teaches we don't need permit?
[03:05:27] Unknown:
Well, Indiana, you don't need a permit now.
[03:05:31] Unknown:
Have you had a permit in the past?
[03:05:34] Unknown:
Yeah. About fifteen or sixteen years ago, they had free permits, lifetime permits, and I did get one.
[03:05:41] Unknown:
Okay. So now you do you not have a permit and just carry a firearm for personal protection because you know, as a national, you can do that? Is that correct?
[03:05:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I do. I I do have the permit, and I do carry. But like I say, Indiana, you you tell a cop you have a firearm on you, and he'll say, where is it? And you you tell him where it's at, and then, he'll, take it in his position. His his, the last time I got stopped, they asked me, if I had a firearm. He says, yeah. He says, keep your hands on the wheel till we get, backup. So then they when I got out of the van, they took the firearm out of my pocket. And and when, they were done with everything, the the cop gave me the firearm back because it's legal to carry a firearm in Indiana without a permit.
[03:06:56] Unknown:
So you said you have a permit, but it's it's legal to carry one without one. So then why do you have one?
[03:07:04] Unknown:
It's a lifetime one, and it's it's it's, it's forever. Because I told him I had a permit, and, he says, well, you don't need one in Indiana anymore. And, whatever.
[03:07:27] Unknown:
This is immaterial, and you don't have to answer. What'd you get stopped for? Were they just out fishing, or did you have the headlight out?
[03:07:35] Unknown:
I had, no plates, no insurance, and went to court on it. Let's see.
[03:07:48] Unknown:
Okay. You want a buzz? Cool. I thought it might have been something more innocuous. Congratulations, man.
[03:07:56] Unknown:
Where the hell is it?
[03:07:58] Unknown:
So you when you said you had a firearm and they saw you had no plates, no insurance, no wonder they asked for backup.
[03:08:06] Unknown:
No. They they confiscated my vehicle. That's what they wanted the backup for. The ticket was for, operating a motor vehicle without financial responsibility, registration, and displacement of registration. Displaying this registration.
[03:08:36] Unknown:
And then What would be the outcome of that trial or that court case?
[03:08:44] Unknown:
What happened was, I sent in some paperwork, and I don't have that heavy. Oh, here. I read this on on before. I sent in paperwork to the court. If you wanna send paperwork to the court, you send it to the court recorder,
[03:09:04] Unknown:
the re
[03:09:10] Unknown:
the clerk of the court with the case number, on file and put this into my case. And, I called the district attorney four days before the trial and asked them, is there still gonna be a trial? I wanted to get a extension. He says, no. We sent out subpoenas, to the witnesses, which was the officer, and you have to be at the trial. And it was, I think, two Wednesdays ago. And, so I went to the trial, and, I didn't see the cop there. But before, before the trial, I went and gave, a notice to the clerk of the court, and I just put this in my file, which she did. And it says, as a national with god given constitutional protected rights, not a citizen of The United States in a condition of voluntary servitude under the scope of the amendment.
Article 13, section one, neither slavery nor involuntary servitude has been can't read my own writing. Has been, a a b a l a s u t, abolished. Common law. Common law. No harm, loss, injury to a man or woman. I have a right to travel freely and encumbered pursuant to Shapiro versus Thompson. The right is so basic. It does not even need to be mentioned. The state of Indiana abruptly and wrongfully converted my right into a privilege and issued a license plate and a fee for it. Murdoch versus Pennsylvania says no state can convert a secured right into a privilege and issue a license and fee for it.
And if they do, Shuttleworth versus Birmingham, Alabama says I can't ignore the license and engage in the right with impunity. That means you cannot punish I since I rely on privileges, previous decisions of the United States Supreme Court and on the constitutional, defense for willfulness. I am I am immune to the prosecution, and therefore, the prosecution does not have cause of action for which relief can be granted by a man motion for dismissal with prejudice for failure to state a claim of action for which relief cannot be granted, I would require to collect my cost and cease having to defend this frivolous case complaint.
When I went to court, they told the cop to stay home. And the judge found me, not guilty and, free to go. They didn't wanna put this on the record.
[03:13:07] Unknown:
So they told you they told this the cop to stay home?
[03:13:12] Unknown:
He wasn't there. The the this the judge asked the state's attorney, where's where's the police officer? He mumbled, and I didn't hear what he said. And the judge said, oh, okay. And then he said, well, since the state has no evidence of, against you, you're found not guilty and free to go.
[03:13:38] Unknown:
Did you, send your documents when you filed them in the court, under the case number? Did you send copies to the prosecutor and to the police officer or just the the prosecutor? Or did you just file them with the court?
[03:13:52] Unknown:
I filed them with the court in my case, and the prosecutor, the judge, everybody gets a a whatever I filed in there, they all get a copy of it. The the, court recorder sends that to them.
[03:14:08] Unknown:
Did they did they give you your costs and pay for your, your, vehicle in, in Hawk, whatever they call that?
[03:14:19] Unknown:
Last last week, well, about four or five days ago, I did send a letter to the judge, a notice that I wanna get my property back, and, I should not acquire any fees. I'm gonna call on Monday and see what he's doing on it. They should pay you for renting it. Well, I'm I'm gonna add that. I send in my fee schedule with it. So I'm whatever he when I get my vehicle back, I'm gonna send them my fee schedule and add a bunch of probably about, well, part of my fee schedule is if they take my property, 10% of my value per day. And my van is worth about $10, so they're gonna owe me for two months a grand a grand a day.
Still in process. Progress.
[03:15:24] Unknown:
Now if they refuse that, you may you may need to go up the chain to a higher court and appeal it. No no problem. Just so you know. That's probably what I would do.
[03:15:35] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:15:37] Unknown:
And just kinda learn as you go. You know?
[03:15:40] Unknown:
Yep.
[03:15:45] Unknown:
So they had your vehicle for two months and your firearm.
[03:15:50] Unknown:
No. They gave me back the firearm. Once the crap dropped me off at the church stop to go on thirty, he gave me my firearm back.
[03:16:03] Unknown:
You mean he took your car and then you got in the front seat or the back seat, and he took you to a to a truck stop and dropped you off?
[03:16:14] Unknown:
Front seat. Yes. So I could get a ride home.
[03:16:25] Unknown:
That's pretty impressive. Did you tell Roger this story?
[03:16:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I I've said this before on the on the show.
[03:16:34] Unknown:
In in I would have remembered this story.
[03:16:37] Unknown:
Gosh. I wonder what else It was a Roger show, about three Wednesdays ago, towards the end of the show.
[03:16:48] Unknown:
Front seat. You got VIP treatment, man.
[03:16:53] Unknown:
Not yet. I didn't get a check yet.
[03:16:57] Unknown:
Well, I don't I think the $60,000 is a pipe dream personally, but I think they're gonna give you something just so you leave them alone. They want you gone, but you already know that. And I can still file against the cops for false
[03:17:11] Unknown:
arrest because I was found not guilty, and I could take them in federal court under, 53 I think fifty three eleven. It states that, if if you interfere with a national, you can get six months in jail and fined. So if I take the the four officers that took my property to court, federal court, as a man, not as an officer, I think they're gonna settle with me before we go to court.
[03:17:45] Unknown:
Also, the towing company, is liable as well. They they didn't have right to tow that your van.
[03:17:53] Unknown:
And, also, I have a law in I found a law in Indiana that, the tow towing companies cannot charge more than $1,500 in fees for for, possession of a vehicle. And, they're charging me more than $1,500. And I gotta assume on that also. Got a bunch of lawsuits to do. It's fun in my old age.
[03:18:35] Unknown:
Trust me. They keep you young.
[03:18:38] Unknown:
Yep. Alright. Talk to you guys later.
[03:19:21] Unknown:
Hey. Good morning, Sheldon.
[03:19:27] Unknown:
Hey, buddy. How are you doing? Great, I guess. Living
[03:19:30] Unknown:
living the dream.
[03:19:32] Unknown:
Yes. You are.
[03:19:35] Unknown:
I'm, I came back Sunday morning from The Philippines, by the way.
[03:19:39] Unknown:
Oh, good.
[03:19:40] Unknown:
But who is that guy that who is the older gentleman that's going through the traffic stuff and having the speed schedule and everything.
[03:19:49] Unknown:
He didn't get his name, but, you know, your, your guys there at in at, wherever it is where you come in on, you ought to be on a name basis with him by now in in both countries.
[03:20:03] Unknown:
Talk about Philippines or Sportsman's Warehouse.
[03:20:07] Unknown:
No. The Philippines.
[03:20:09] Unknown:
The Philippines. His name was Allen. Allen with an s. I didn't get the last name from Indiana.
[03:20:16] Unknown:
Alright. Allen with an s from Indiana.
[03:20:22] Unknown:
So, anyway, what do you guys think about once I do get off my ass and get my notices in, that I'm gonna go to to Sperston's warehouse warehouse corporate so that they'll already be pre made aware of it in Puyallup, Washington and then see what happens.
[03:20:44] Unknown:
Good idea.
[03:20:46] Unknown:
Yeah. That's what I'm thinking.
[03:20:50] Unknown:
A good a good plan of action is go ahead. Go ahead. A good plan of action is for some people, they start at the bottom. The other ones start at the top and trickle their way down. If I can possibly pull it off, I start at the top and the bottom, and hopefully somewhere in the middle, this is gonna cross one person's desk twice. Then then I'll know that that that's gonna get their attention, and it has worked. I mean, I can't prove that it hasn't worked, but it it seems to be working. I'm done.
[03:21:24] Unknown:
Yeah. A lot of people think that their voice doesn't matter, but it only takes one person to change the world. You know what I mean? Prime example of yeah. A prime example is dealing with health. A prime example is dealing with, like, a medical claim for my son in The Philippines that happened, you know, over a year ago. And, people that administrate the fund saying that they get over a 100 calls a day, and there's only two of them working on our fund. Well, go into the the hall and have them deal with it, that's gonna get their attention Because people will just put you on a back burner and don't care because they don't think they have to. That's all. I uke.
But, yeah, you gotta know you gotta learn what you're doing before you start messing with this stuff. You gotta take the time and actually read things, which I'm lazy at. I know all about it. But I'm I'm I'm I'm all in, though.
[03:22:35] Unknown:
Anyway
[03:22:37] Unknown:
Is that Victor?
[03:22:38] Unknown:
Yes,
[03:22:39] Unknown:
sir. Yeah. When you send your notices to the ATF, FBI, or whatever, and everybody else, the prosecutor, I would before you go buy a gun, I'd I'd give it some time to cure. Like, at least wait a month before you go buy a gun. That way, it goes through whatever, you know, processing at these different agencies, you know, because it's gotta go from the mail room and then get to the person that it needs to get to, then they have to be in their office to read it. So I I would at least wait a little bit before I, you know, go purchase a gun right off the bat.
[03:23:19] Unknown:
Yeah. That's definitely good advice, and I obviously have no problem waiting to do things. Yeah. Good advice. I just wanted to I the only reason for doing it in the place is just to see what happened, honestly, just to see how it worked. And I got to find out. A big corporate
[03:23:44] Unknown:
chain store like Swartzman's Warehouse, they have their procedure. I just tryna present them with a different procedure, basically.
[03:23:54] Unknown:
I yield.
[03:23:56] Unknown:
You know, if Brent and Dave and the summer here, the the guys who go back to when Daryl Daryl was one of the ones of us to, go into a gun dealer that knew him well. And when he went through the process with them, they were like, you get nah. They're not gonna give you this. And Daryl says, well, you know, try me. Try them. See what happens. Now I don't know if you guys remember that we're part of that, whether Darryl got his gun right away or still waited three days, but they definitely told him to sell him the gun. I remember that as a national.
So throw that out there.
[03:24:48] Unknown:
Did Daryl use his passport, Samuel?
[03:25:05] Unknown:
You know, I'm not sure what he used for ID. I would assume he had that. Probably just had his ID and filled in the form as a national, I would assume. But I don't know that that was ever disclosed. The other guys might remember, like Daryl, maybe Dave and the Sun, or no, Brent, I meant.
[03:25:40] Unknown:
My memory is about as good as yours.
[03:26:02] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. As I remember it, you know, chief gun dealer didn't think that if he checked national, he was gonna even get anything. That's quite a while ago too. They'll refuse you just for doing that. Right? But I guess it that meant the option was on the form. And the I guess the gun dealer probably never saw anybody check that before. Right? So he was like, well, that's not gonna work. I've never seen anybody check you're a noncitizen or whatever was the situation in that form for that day. But, yeah, I guess we have to have Daryl to really know.
[03:26:43] Unknown:
You know, there is another thing. We've already been told that nonresident aliens, particularly illegals, that, went to purchase firearms, they were told they could purchase them without limitation. The FFLs were told to sell them the gun. So something fundamentally changed when the illegals started flooding into this country that might have affected, the, the waiver of the five day waiting period. You know what I mean? Okay. Well, I think that's about it for today's show. This has been the Radio Ranch with Roger Sales, including an after show discussion. That was very interesting and informative.
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Introduction and Program Overview
Discussion on David Strait and Audience Engagement
National vs. Citizen: Legal Intentions
Feudal System and Legal Presumptions
Allegiance and Jurisdiction
Historical Context and Legal Concepts
Nationality Act of 1940 and Legal Definitions
Brown vs. Board of Education and Citizenship
Legal Definitions and Court Cases
Citizenship Status and Legal Implications
Historical Legal Changes and Impacts
Constitutional Rights and Legal Misconceptions
Supreme Court Cases and Legal Precedents
Feudal System Symbolism and Legal Traps
Passport Applications and Legal Status
Upcoming Supreme Court Decisions
After Show Discussion and Reflections
Firearms, Legal Notices, and Personal Experiences
