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In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles navigates through a myriad of topics, from the intricacies of the IRS and tax systems to geopolitical tensions involving China and the global economy. The discussion delves into the complexities of national citizenship status, the implications of the Buck Act, and the strategic maneuvers of global powers. Roger and his guests, including Mark and other regular contributors, share insights on how individuals can assert their rights and navigate bureaucratic challenges, emphasizing the importance of understanding legal frameworks and maintaining a proactive stance.

Listeners are also treated to updates on international affairs, particularly the economic and political dynamics between the United States, China, and other global players. The conversation touches on the potential impacts of tariffs, the strategic stockpiling of resources by China, and the broader implications for global markets. As always, the Radio Ranch provides a platform for lively discussion, critical thinking, and the sharing of valuable information to empower its audience.

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That's the ridge.   Feed the pole.   Delta   Ah, yes. The old familiar frame, and here we are. We'd like you to, Alvin.   Don't know if we're gonna do it today, but we're gonna take a stab at it anyway. And it's the Sabado, the Saturday edition. A little Spanish lesson.   There for you, Radio Ranch, Roger Sales, your host, and it's,   it's Saturday.   A little different program, and the date stamp is the third. We're three days into May,   And, they're still celebrating May Day down here, I guess.   And, we have a very light contingent of, assistance today, people helping us.   So Paul's, work shouldn't be too difficult today. But, Paul, come on out and get take a stab at it.  



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Oh, yeah.   Yeah. I can do that.   You know, stretching is just absolutely so off the hook.  

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It's wonderful.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Sure is.   You gotta be something right with the world when you can get in a good stretch.   We're actually only on two platforms today. We are on eurofolkradio.com.   Thanks to the,   ever diligent   and,   fabulous efforts of pastor Eli James,   and we're on Global Voice Radio Network. That is radio.globalvoiceradio.net.   As far as I know, TLB talk is still having problems with, their connectivity.   So   if, you wanna catch TLB talk later today,   obviously, after this program,   go to tlb.globalvoiceradio.net   or tlb.k.gvrn.net,   and that'll get you there. Our, website.  



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Our It's a world of technical screw ups. Go ahead with the website.  

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Yeah.   It's the   the rule the the world of technical trousers,   I guess. And   sometimes they they're split right up the butt   anyway anyway. Right up the our website   is   thematrixstocks.com.   That's thematrix,d0cs,.com,   where you will find links to Eurofolk Global Voice, and you will also find links to free conference calls so you can join us live on the show with, questions, comments,   observations,   whatever.   Howdy, Raj. Happy Saturday.  

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Well, thank you. Thank you, Paul. I guess it's night. At least it's sunny at this point, so don't know how the day's gonna turn out. We're still in that   cloudy in the afternoon stuff.   But,   no rain yesterday. That's kinda nice. Had a wonderful lunch yesterday with my buddies about a three hour   afternoon lunch, and it was just   incredible. So   we're back at the grind today, though, here this morning. Yes, sir. I have favorite   one of our favorite restaurants here, Breach of Loews. Yes, sir.  

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I've been experiencing   rain in Upstate New York for the last four days. If if you're really  

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if you're really looking forward to it, I can send you some. Well, we've had pretty much plenty here over the last couple of months to overcome the drought,   which may have been a drought, may not have been. Who knows?   Anyway, we're on the straight and narrow. I think we're gonna have a good summer, a good solid summer, though. You know, I've mentioned before we kinda mimic the   Northern Hemisphere seasons.   And,   so this one, although they can be altered, we had one, one summer here a couple years ago. It didn't stop raining until July.   Quite unusual.  

But that was a La Nina   period. There was a La Nina sitting offshore. So, hell, you never know. Most of the time, the weather's real nice. So, anyway, hopefully, we're getting to that part of the year.   I don't know if I've got anything really right off the top of my head to talk about today.   So it wasn't too much eventful that happened yesterday that I can   remember.   Did anybody got anything, any of our Saturday people? You know, the Saturday show is for the people at work and have questions and ordinarily couldn't join us. And so, we added this Saturday show. Is there any of you out there that shows for new people, obviously. We've had a few lately.   And,   Saturday and Thursday are just different days of the week, it seems like.  

But, if any of you are new or want to ask questions or inquire or, you know, whatever, make comments,   good time right now. So you all you have to do is hit star six,   and we'll entertain   what you have to say. Love to talk to you.   But if not, we'll fill the void somehow. So are there any of you folks? There's somebody that's right. Mark's with us today. Well, that's good. Hey, Roger.   How you doing, man?  

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Doing well. Doing well.   All that rain that Paul got,   came through Oklahoma first.   There you go. It's been a while since I've seen this much rain. The,   the wheat looks amazing.   I mean, it is,   it's already got the heads formed on them. They're tall and thick and I'm just the wheat fields are just looking great. This is this is winter wheat. Right?   Yes. It is winter wheat.   They let   the the cattle graze on that,   in this in the early spring   and then they take them off of it and then it grows   and grows and produces wheat. Yep.   So I imagine   by,   I don't know, June, late June, they'll probably   be ready to harvest. You probably ask Joe   about that, Joe in Oklahoma.  

He knew. He's real familiar with that farming.   But, anyway, yeah, we just had waves, and it's like every day where we're getting rain and rain,   And it's just crazy. We had flash floods that wiped out roads. You know, once the ground gets saturated with water Yes. It just the water is no nowhere the water can go. More rain just hits the top of the ground and runs. So,   anyway, we've been dealing with a lot of that. But   outside of that, it's been it's been good.   Mhmm. And if nobody has a topic to talk about, I kinda   would like to talk about something that it seems like everybody's so fearful of,   and that's as a national, that is losing their national citizenship status.  



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You can't lose it.   And it can't be taken away from you. Oh. I just I just wring my hands over this.  

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I I know.   I know.   The big scary thing that people just   don't know how to handle or you know it's it's really a mindset. When when you wrap your mind around   that you're the person who can determine you and only you can determine your relationship status,   then it is,   you know,   it it's totally liberating.   It's freedom, and you're empowered to go forward.  

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Folks, it's like taking candy from a baby. It is simple.   And,   you weren't here the other day, Michael, you know, our farmer buddy up there in Minnesota   Yes. Came on after the show and he goes, Roger, can you help me? I still can't sleep at night on the IRS issue.   And I just said, you know, Michael, I don't know any other way to cure that, this fear thing they've installed so well on everybody. Boy, they've done a good job.   Pavlovian conditioning, you know? Yes.   And is to increase your knowledge.   And   and the that is the empowerment to you to go hold it. This is Yeah. Look what they did here. They went through all these years   to turn all these words around   so they could ask you two questions and you could sign something and get your agreement   to this condition.  

Now you know what it is. You unagree to it and they can't do anything.   The power is yours. I   it's a big stumbling block for some people, I'm gonna tell you.  

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Yeah. It it changes your class,   your your tax class completely.   You know, you you're now considered as a nonresident alien to the IRS.   And when that happens, then the only income that you're taxed upon   is income that's derived   from a federal US source.  

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That's it. Now So Now part of let me just say this. Part of that condition   Part of that condition comes from ignorance.   Yes, they did. Let me just say this. That's okay. We're stepping on each other a little, little, little like,   part of the problem   we analyzed is,   you know, Michael thinks they're gonna come kick in his door and start taking stuff.   Well, they just don't operate. That's Admiralty Law. If you're under Admiralty Law, that can happen. But you're not under Admiralty Law. You're under the Uniform Commercial Code, and there's process.   And even in the discussion, Larry brought up   on the web,   the whole process of before they can,   put put even a a notice lien on you. And the ninety day letter and five other letters and this, that, and the other. It's all process.  

They they'll do that to scare you and your friends to some people that don't know what they're doing. But to people that know what they're doing and know their game, they won't do that evidenced by it's never happened in almost fourteen   years. Come on. Right. Right. And you gotta understand then how the government operates for the agents. You know, it's not the government. We're the government. Right. We have a contract. It's called the constitution.   We elect representatives to go serve our interests.   They pass laws,   and then they hire people to enforce them. They're the agents of government. They're not some big blob of all power, all omnipotent.  

There are a bunch of idiot bureaucrats   who do not have your best interest in mind, and you can beat them.   I I I   it's this conditioning of this, and and I don't know how to help people get over it that are, you know, locked in it like Michael is to that degree there.   Yeah. Yeah. But you're just gonna have to work through it. Or  

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some well, time will help too, you know. Well, yes. You step out and and   you you step out and and act like a a national   citizen.   And as time goes by, you don't have any,   you know, any fallout from that or blowback from that, then you're like, oh, well, maybe   maybe this is okay. Maybe I don't have any problems, you know. Maybe this national thing works, you know. And that goes back to what you said. Yeah. You know, if if you just stumble across some information about being a national   and you you don't, like,   I would say absorb yourself into it for a while.  

You know?   It it takes a while   for you to have that moment.   And with me being in and around this information before, mine came a little sooner.   Other people, it takes a little longer, but every person's got their own time   that as they   listen to your show, even if it's a recording,   look through some of the information. Devon's citizenship handbook is awesome.   And and study. Go listen to Rogers' interviews. Go to the matrixstocks.com.   You can go to the nationalstatus.info   website and they even have a step by step academy that you can go through.   But you got to absorb this.  

This is where   when   people   just do a knee jerk reaction   and they send off their affidavit and then eventually they if they get a letter from Mrs. Robinson   saying you know that they can't do this and they go oh well I guess that didn't work.   You know that they they're not knowledgeable enough to know that this is a bluff letter.   They're gonna do, you know, I shouldn't say do everything because it's really not much.   But   Oklahoma tax commission threw a good one out the other day.   One of our listeners here local, they got a   first letter   from a 2023   tax return which was billed for last year.  

And   they're like, oh you better get an attorney and you know they're really trying to drop the fear on them.   And I'm looking at it. It's an unsigned letter. It's generated by a computer.   You know, it's just ridiculous. And   so and then like you said, there's a process folks.   They they can't just they lawfully cannot just come kick down your door and drag you off. It doesn't work like that.   They have they have a   a process that they gotta go through   and you got to go through   and exhaust that administrative   process. That's what it is. It's an administrative   process,   which is not Admiralty law.  

And   once you've exhausted that,   then if if they've ruled against you,   which I have not heard anybody happen at a federal level using Rogers stuff.   Matter of fact, it usually goes away with one letter, maybe   two. So   it's   powerful information,   but   Oklahoma tax and some of your states may differ.   We had somebody up in Michigan,   They filed their state tax and their federal tax at the same time and boom their state paid them back before the federal did.   Really? Blew me away. Yeah. Cool. And then here we did the same thing   And,   it took a while for the feds to come around and get the refund,   and the state never responded. It didn't say boo, didn't say nothing,   and it wasn't until near the end of last year   that your listener here   started   writing letters to them like, hey. What's what's up with my tax return?  

And,   and then no response.   So they go in in person this this spring   and   he wanted to drop off a letter and they're like oh no no no well you need to talk to somebody   you know. Well then that that talk turned into a bit of a   interrogation if you will.   Ask them if they're a tax protester, and you know what? They really weren't expecting that kind of   questioning,   but they got it.   What come out of that was it appeared like they rejected   his return   but they never sent any information about it. So   you know we're not done with them I can promise you that.   We're getting ready to respond to them and then   and here's the worst case scenario with that, Roger, and I've I've been down this path before before I knew you and the national status   was you can pay the tax and they continue to fight them.  

There's no jail time. It's all   civil. It's all administrative.   You know?   And and again   everybody   please take this to heart.   If you're dealing with any of these   bureaucrats,   especially   taxes,   that that they could try to say it's criminal,   you always want to lead off with it's not now   nor has it ever been my intent   to avoid paying a tax   that I lawfully owe.   Yep. It's not not now nor has it ever been my intent because criminality   requires intent.   And they try to prove intent   by your actions.   But if you're letting them know,   it's not my intent to avoid it. And here's another sentence we'd like to add to that now. I forgot who brought this up, but I loved it. They said, if it's   determined   that I owe a tax or owe a lawful tax,   I will pay that as promptly as possible.  

Yep. So now you're saying if if if I do owe a tax, it's my intent to pay it.   I'm not I'm not trying to get out of a tax that I lawfully owe.  

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Right. And don't forget the Cheek decision where this airline pilot, Cheek, won this case, Supreme Court, and it hinged on   willfulness.   Willful because they charge you with a willful failure to file that you knew what you were doing and you didn't do it anyway. And he came in and said, well, I've studied all this stuff and I don't think I'm willful. I don't think I owe it. And they swung in his decision. And believe me, that's the kind of case that the IRS absolutely   detests   because they don't want that message being transferred to you. K? Yep. And so,   yep. So, anyway, all of a sudden, all the attorneys in the country, the IRS people started jumping on a willfulness   defense package. And,   I I don't know the viability of it now, but we got these people beat, you know. And I'm not picking on Michael. He just came forward with the information. I think I understand. He's he's a hard working guy.  

No. I know that's right. Unique at all? No. He's just the first one that we've come up to to this degree. Sure. And,   it's a part it's obviously   part of his education.   Part of it is not understanding how they work, who they are.   Go back to the, I mentioned it with Bruce, with Brett yesterday, the,   Woodrow Wilson's repudiation of dollar diplomacy. And the reason he would not cosign that hundred million dollar loan to the Chinese   was partially because of the tax system. And he tells you right there, this is the blueprint of the world's the the new world order blueprint.   That's their stamp, if you will. It's their cookie cutter. Okay?  

And because   the tax,   material was antiquated and burdensome,   one of the best descriptions I've ever heard of the Internal Revenue Code, antiquated and burdensome   and enforced by foreign   agents.   It's right there. That's Woodrow Wilson,   not me.   Yes. There's Big Joe. Yes, sir.  

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Hey.   Tom  

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d. Oh, hey, Tom. Now you're very distant.  

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Alright. You're very distant. Are you in the car? Yeah. I mean, I am driving, but listen. Just gonna make a quick comment about what Mark said.   They are they when you're talking about that willfulness charge,   it'll especially looks bad for them when you send them letters   asking questions and they don't respond.   Well, you know, I wrote them letters. I wrote them six letters. Said, what is this? How do I do this? How do I know? And they'd ignore you, then then that shows that they were being  

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the willful party. So that's all I gotta do. And what and, well, what's going on there is, you've got another court here. The administrative   state has its own court system,   and you're going through what's called the administrative procedure.   K?   And if they that your   administrative file is the court record.   And so anything you send them, and this is why this is important,   anything you send them, whether they answer or not, has got to go in what's called your administrative   file.   There's a file there. It may be digital now where they scan stuff in, but they have to keep a record of anything they send you, any of these correspondence they're required to send.   They they they they've gotta have a record of it or what they sent you. And if you respond, they gotta have your response in there. Now because it's a court of record and it's in their possession,   when you go on up through, if you do, an administrative appeal   or if you exhaust that and take it over to the other,   corrupt court system,   those letters and responses   can be brought into any proceeding,   and they bypass the rules of evidence   because they're in your administrative folder in their possession.  

So you want just steep writing them letters. I mean, Tom said it, Al and Ask, and it's on our website there. Al Attisk   wrote him a letter, got a got a correspondence from him, sat down, wrote him a letter with six 66 questions.   And his questions are damn good. Okay? Well, you go read that. You sent it to him. Never heard from him again. And the reason is they'll if they're gonna especially go after you criminally,   that's the per per,   predominance of the evidence. You know, that's lady justice there.   And they've got to go into a criminal court seating because potential jail time, and it's gotta be in front of a jury. Could be I don't I it's gotta be in front of a jury,   I believe, Mark. It can't be a bench trial on this.  

So,   anyway, you got   You got tons of projections. And   but the other thing to focus on   is how effective they've been instilling this in people's minds.   K?  

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Really? Hey, Roger.  

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Yes. And it's like the general part and told me. So when we were studying fraud, they were studying Pavlov. And boy, they do it and they do it to you real good. Don't they, Bob? Yeah.   Bob? Hey, Roger. Wouldn't they yeah. Wasn't that Bob?  

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No. Tom. I got off the speaker. Oh. Listen. One one way you can tell,   if it's a civil or criminal,   if you get a revenue agent out there and he's talking to you or they wanna talk to you, you know it's civil. If you see special agents involved, it's criminal. And you can always ask them, you know, is this a civil investigation or is this a criminal investigation? If it's a criminal, you shut your mouth, don't say anything, and shut up. And tell them that you're trespassing. With law with government. Keep your mouth shut, don't say anything, and shut up. And tell them they're trespassing on your property. Here's the process.  

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Whether you got you get you're either gonna go there might odd it's just up, but what we're really talking about here is failure to file. That's where the criminal   penalties come in.   So they you might not have filed, and they start sending you those letters.   And the first one we've talked about, John thought it was   a type of contract called a confirmatory   writing. This is how sneaky these bastards are. You can go find that contract in the specialty contracts   of the UCC   over there with the Jewish sheatar, ten forty form, and any of these fancy contracts that they, because of their familiarity with the merchant code, totally understand and know how to weaponize, and you don't know anything about that. So you get one of these letters that says, hey, Michael. We haven't returned   received your, tax return for nineteen and twenty and twenty one. And if you, if you've already submitted these, please disregard this notice. And, otherwise,   we may ask you to come in and bring some of your books and records.  

Okay. Now most patriots see that. I said, look. I I've seen where this thing is voluntary.   You can go straight to hell, and I'm throwing this away.   And when you throw it in the trash can and don't respond within ten days in this specialty kind of contract,   it means that you've agreed to it.   It's a contract between merchants   where both merchants are comprised to know the   contents of the writing. That's some of the language there in the UCC. I remember John telling us. And if you don't expressly deny it within ten days, it deems you accepted it. So now in a voluntary   system, supposedly,   now they've got you in a hidden contract on the front end even though you didn't file the $10.40 contract, which is what they're trying to get. K?  

So now they may send you another couple of those.   They may ask you to come in and bring your books and records, go in there. You know, patriots would go in with a wheelbarrow with a bunch of phonograph records and books and, you know, that kind of those kinds of shenanigans.   You get in there and start questioning the IRS,   guys.   They don't   know crap about the Internal Revenue Code. You start confronting them with sections, they don't know anything about it. K? So, anyway, their job at that point is to try and get you through threat, duress, and coercion back into the system.   They don't necessarily care about the money. You're a little pittance that's gonna be put on the big heap there, but they do care about you getting back in the system and filing every year. So now because you haven't filed and you haven't responded to the letter, they're gonna send that to the guy that's over the   the the division   with all these agents.  

And   so they get a pile of folders on their desk and their boss,   get these people get those folders down. Get that pile down, get these people back into the system.   So their main directive   is to try and get you back into the system. It's not necessarily to shake the money out of you, although they do evidently get commissions on it. But the overall thing is to get you back into the system.   And so,   that's what the object is. And if you're too hard or you go back and well, let's look in his administrative folder and see what's in there. If all that stacks up with that agent, probably the first thing is he's gonna take your folder off the top of his stack, and he's gonna put it on the bottom of the stack. And then he's gonna go look for some sucker that he could scare the absolute pee waddling out of and grab them by the damn trouser   and turn them upside down, then they start shaking.  

Okay?   So there's all this process. I told I told Mark a story I heard years ago on the air one one day because IRS always rents offices.   Because they're foreign agents, they don't   have their offices in government buildings. Do you ever notice that?   And so,   the the it was one of these offices with a suspended ceiling. We got those little   wires in the frame and you stick those little soundproof boards in them. And they're all in the office one day and the ceiling falls through.   And what had happened was instead   get to get rid of files,   agents had been sticking them up in the ceiling and they got so heavy. The whole damn thing caved in on them,   which which you gotta laugh about. Okay?  

But   they're they they put on this fear. We're so big and bad, man.   Because this is the key element of the system.   You know, what they didn't tell you is it's the feudal system. It's not just the system. It's the feudal   system. And this is the key   part of it because this sustains everything when the original creditors get paid.   Then that continues the credit scam where they've got   Mark, I they've got at least three or four different levels of compound interest working for them here. Yeah.   So they you got one side on the bond side   where they discount everything over to the primary bond dealers.  

Now the primary bond dealers like,   Cantor Fitzgerald,   since September   coming up a little bit lately. You may remember that name. They were primary bond dealers at the Top 2 Floors of the World Trade Center, 1 of those buildings.   And so what they do with them is   they evidently   bonds work, I think, and I'm not   terribly knowledgeable here on this for the for the specifics,   but I believe they discount bonds.   They sell them at a discount, and then as the maturity grows, it grows into the full face value. But you got it at a discount,   and your gain is that from what you bought at the discount to where it pays out eventually at full full interest price. That's correct. And bonds   also. Is that I think that's right with all of them, Mark.  

Then we've got this other interesting and confusing aspect of bonds.   Bonds have what's called a inverse   relationship,   and that means   they're they've got a unique position here.   I guess it's because of their nature and the payout, whatever.   But the inverse relationship   is when the,   let's say, that is between yield and price.   What you're gonna eventually get out of it and what you're paying for it. Okay? So when the price goes up,   the yield goes down.   When the price goes down, the yield goes up.   And this is what fancy big time investors look at.   If that price of that bond and the yield's going up and the price is reducing,   is everybody else in that bond market gonna try and get through the door at the same time? And if so, can I get out before them?  

There's a danger in the bond market right there, and it all depends on this this yield price and yield inverse relationship.   If you understand that, you can watch the bond market. You know, I saw years ago, Mark.   Oh,   who's the little creep Democrat creep from New Orleans?   You know, well, what's your name's Mary? James Carville.   Carville. James Carville. I saw Carville. Yeah. I'm so sorry he's an LSU guy. He really just makes   but I saw him on an interview one day, and he goes,   when I die, I wanna come back as the bond market.   But  

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Yeah.  

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So all that. Now they so they go up the bond market, and they have to put out the same number of bonds they're doing of currency that's gonna circulate.   So if there's a million dollars of currency, Federal Reserve notes,   Babblebucks,   that they're wanting to put into the, economy,   then supposedly, there's a billion dollars worth of bonds to back it up. The bonds are the full faith and creditor of The United States. That phrase you hear, it's not in the promissory note, the currency. It's in the underlying bonds because the bonds back the currency. So that's the full faith and credit of The United States. So just on the bond side, you take those bonds, you run them up the Federal Reserve. They,   the the primary bond dealers that have signed these contracts   have to take whatever the issue their part of the issuance is. So if they're if this they say we're gonna issue this many bonds and you're our primary dealer,   we you've obligated yourself to this percentage of that,   of that bond release whether you can sell them or not. And if you can't sell them well, tough ski shitsky. You know? So then you got this bond market here. Obviously, it's working on a kind of a reverse   compound interest.  

And to match the amount, you've got the currency that comes up. Well, it goes up to the Federal Reserve.   They loan it out   at to their best bank. That's the overnight rate.   Their best bank their best synagogue buddies,   they loan that out at, let's say, hypothetically,   two and a half percent. So that's the lowest rate that anybody can get on   the currency side is that overnight to the to the biggest, customers.   Well, then what the banks do is they just take that in a traditional   wholesale retail   structure, and now they're gonna loan it to you at 5%.   So they got all kinds of layers of compound interest going on in there, ma'am.  

And they have gotten extremely   fat over the years. And I think it seems now,   Mark, that they're not sticking to that formula of having the bonds issued with them, that they're just cranking out money. Remember Elon's statement recently? I found 14 money machines.   And so what those were, people would send them an invoice, and they just crank them out a check. They didn't ever have to have any any kind of backing, and now they've gotten into the total fiat. I don't know if any of you have seen the interview   with Tucker Carlson and Catherine Austin Fitch. The new one, it just came out this week. Have you seen that, Mark?  

No. I have not. Send it. Well, I'll send it to you.   And she's talking about in the mid nineties when they had one of these budgetary crisis is, I guess, with the Clintons,   and they just took everything off book and just said, we're not gonna do it this way anymore.   And they basically money.   Right. And you have 14   money machines or whatever else. But,   I'm sorry to get off on that long explanation. Jag is kind of important information to understand   for your understanding   and to see how the system works and to see how much trouble they're in right now and why.   Because all these countries over the last fifteen plus years, Russia and others,   and especially have been dumping their bonds. They were required to hold bonds in their central banks   because   of the Saudi Arabia   requirement that all oil be purchased in US instruments.  

So they had to have these bonds. Well, after Saudi changed, and we're not and start taking you on and other stuff, And the countries hate what we're doing around the world for the in general, until Trump got in, they hated us.   And, so what they were doing was every chance they get their dumping government bonds. Well, when when treasury bills and notes get out there in the open market   and if there's nobody   to buy them,   well, then that is indication   that maybe everybody's gonna start running toward the exit door.   So the Federal Reserve or the Treasury   is forced to buy those bonds that are outstanding   that nobody else wants   just to give the appearance of liquidity   and not show how severely out of whack the whole damn system is. Russia's been selling all their bonds for fifteen years at least.  

I don't know if they even have any more period, but they've gone and bought gold with it.   K?   So these are all these big moves that are happening around the world and why and they all revolve around these treasury bonds, which, oh, by the way,   for most of you, you used to be the collateral for.   You are no more because they can't extract your income tax. So you, with our method here,   step out of the back end, the most crucial part of the operation of the entire system, which is the payback to the original creditors,   the people that bought the bonds.  

Make sense? May I?   Yes. Yes, ma'am. You may.   Of well, of course.  

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Well, I just wanna reiterate   to the listeners.   Samuel   sent me that Catherine Austin fits with Tucker.   And then Murrah, she came on, and she encouraged everyone to listen to it. So I'm so grateful that you listened to it, Roger. My husband and I listened to it over four different times.   It is so meaty with such good   information and it's inspiring.   And getting back to the, lawful legal notice to the IRS.   In my document, I put notice to principals notice to agent notice to agent is notice to principal,   not to be considered a filing.   It is not my intent to avoid paying my constitutional   taxes that I,   lady Linda Louise,   may lawfully owe. If it is found that I owe a constitutional   tax, I will do my duty.  

So that's right at the top   of the page. And for the new listeners, I would encourage them to make that a reality.  

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And Yeah. I think the note the map. Principle and notice thing is probably more oriented towards the state notices,   but but that's okay. It can't hurt.  

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So, that's good. They're IRS agents. They're IRS agents and, you know, there's the commissioner   or the successor to him or the assignee.   So whoever is in that ball of wax.  

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By the way, Linda, why do you think they they label him the commissioner?  

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That's a very good question.  

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Isn't it? Please do  

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do tell.  

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Well, they're all getting a cut off of this. Come on. They gotta give them incentives to go and have that job. You know, people that get they they're looking for a job, the only one they can fight with the IRS,   and then they won't tell anybody who they work for.  

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But, you know, maybe a good  

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a commissioner gets commissions.  

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Of course. Right?  

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Yes. Oh, wow.  

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As plain as the nose on my face. Right right there in front of you. Okay.   Yep. It's pretty amazing. Anyway, we step out of that. There's never been any blowback on this. It's plain as the nose in your face   that the once you get to 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a and that statement   that they're hiding the national under   the nonresident alien. Why do I say that? It can't be anything else. There's only two statuses. You're either free or you're a slave. Now with the our understanding, we know who the slaves are, and income taxes   owed by all individuals who are citizens of The United States or residents. Well, though, we know those are the slaves. What's the free one?  

Jose the tomato picker?   Nonresident   alien? That's where they want your mind to go right there.   It's the only option because it's the only thing that's free, and that's the only other option. We know who the slaves are.   So I don't know how you gotta address this, but it probably is gonna take some more understanding and knowledge and   and and getting you know? Well, can I say getting some balls?   As I've the what recall   to me the other day, Mark, was   from pastor Peters, who I was a big fan of.   And pastor Peters used to say, you serve the one you fear.   You serve the one you fear. So, do you wanna serve the IRS?  

I'm just asking a a hypothetical   question here. Is that who you wanna serve? Because you do serve the one you fear and I don't think anybody can just   dispel   that statement.   You're gonna they say, if you scare, if you scare, you're you're underwater again, Linda. If you say you you you wanna pay them and all that stuff and then go quiver in the corner, you're serving those people.   I I don't know any other conclusion to come to. Linda will call back in, and she won't be, like, 20 feet underwater.   Mark, what do you have to say to all that?  

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Well,   I agree.   It's it's unfortunate   because   these are things that you're never taught in school.   You know, you're you're taught to be an obedient worker. That's what you're taught in our public education system. And now it's even worse than that, you know, over the indoctrination.   So  

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I saw a a young kid teacher the other day, and she goes, I don't care about executive orders. I am gonna take my   second, third graders and teach them about the gay lifestyle or some whatever the hell she said.   Oh, I just wonder. I wanted to slap her.  

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Well, I'm wondering when those   people are gonna get arrested.   You know, we're starting to see judges get arrested.   Yeah. Well I think that's gonna trickle down.   Our ex cat fell on his first interview the other evening, and,   he was with I don't know how to take this guy. I thought I liked him, then I thought he was a do nothing. That was Trey Gowdy.   I think he was, what, a US Senator   or a representative, and they'd hold these House. They'd hold the pardon me?  

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House.   House. Okay. It was South Carolina.   He was a former   federal prosecutor   who never lost a case.  

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Well, he would ask all these hard questions   and shine a light on corruption   when they're having these these house hearings,   but nothing ever come of it.  

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Nothing. He always goes back and yep. He sides with them. Whenever it comes, it seems to me, when I've seen him, he always sides with his former employer. Go go ahead, Mark. Sorry to interrupt. Yep.  

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And and so it just I think he was compromised   if nothing else.   But, you know, Kash Patel,   he, he was on fire. He's like, this watch was gonna be a lot of a lot of indictments coming down because they're working hand in hand with the DOJ,   the Department of Justice with Pam Bond. Well,  

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FBI is under DOJ.  

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Yes. Yes. But they do the criminal referrals. So when they find criminal activity,   if they haven't arrested the bad actors,   then they put in a criminal referral to the DOJ to take to the court, and then the court will issue arrest warrants.  

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Right. So,  

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a wire grand jury,  

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get a true bill or any of that stuff. Yeah. So, yes. Now the good news is the rumor is that   that is about to start happening and that there are a bunch of that in the background. They have been taking their time and dotting every I and crossing   every t because they know the slimy pieces of crap they're dealing with.   Yep. So we have to do that. Okay?   The other thing is   James O'Keefe has got something   real big that he's breaking this coming week   to the point of where him and his staff have gone into hiding.   And he did call Alex because Alex relayed this on the air and told them what it was.  

Alex was quite shaken by it just so he's kinda Alex is kind of a dead man switch here. K?   And so, anyway, this coming week, we're supposed to get some really incriminating   highly incriminating   information out of the O'Keefe Media Group. So we'll all wait and see.   So it should be an exciting week coming up. Yes. Well, you're back. You're not underwater anymore. Yes. I'm back.   You're not gargling. You were gargling.   You were like gargling a few minutes ago.  

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Thank you for letting me speak. Speaking of balls, you brought up balls a little while ago.  

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Big balls. Jesse yeah.  

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Big balls was on TV. And he looks like a young boy. He looks like a teenager. He's so sweet looking.   And,   that that interview that Jesse had with the whole staff,   the Elon Musk, Doge staff,   was very illuminating. I encourage everyone to find it maybe on YouTube if they missed it. It was Was it Jesse Waters?   Jesse Waters, an excellent expose, Mark.  

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Okay. And you got to pay off.   For the listeners, Jesse Waters with Fox News.  

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He's kind of taken   Tucker Carlson's   spot after Tucker   left the nest.  

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Correct.   Correct. But what a great, great expose.   You'll all just be very illuminated.  

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Listen. These people testimonies.   These people have gotta be pooping in the pooping in the mess, kids scared. I I mean, honestly, they're federal.  

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They're   They made it very clear one after the other that the federal workers are very devoted   and very grateful   for the DOSE team   coming in   and showing them how   to make restitution   and how to make this thing,   fraud, abuse,   all this   waste,   be eviscerated.   And so there's a spirit of gratitude   and the fake media   who wants to create narratives that are untrue   is just nauseating.   So just I know everyone in this community. By the way, there's 57 listeners today.   I,   brought three listeners,   today. I hope,   they're on.   One of them is a 39 year old. His name is Gold, and he just called on my property.   And the next thing you know, he wants to know all about the national. So this was this past week. So Okay. It was on Tuesday.  

So he said he's been listening every day. So, Beau, if you're here, let your voice be known to be in IU. Yeah. We don't we won't buy. You're trying to make up for Ferris, aren't you?  

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Don't mention that, man. You're really trying hard. I can tell.  

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That's the name that we shall not mention.  

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That's exactly not. Because if you say it three times, you'll summon him just like the He's like  

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he's like Three times.   Well, I'll refrain then, Paul, on that advice. Please do. Beetlejuice.  

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Beetlejuice.  

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No. No. No. Don't do it. Don't do it.  

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I don't even want the new witness to know that name. Can he even can you just say Scissorhands?  

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Does that pass?  

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No. We just call him Slinky.  

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Slinky is the word. Okay. Yeah. Because because have,  

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because there isn't much to a slinky,   but it still brings a smile to your face when it's pushed down the stairs.  

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Okay. Good one. You did you have something to add besides slinky talk here?  

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No. But I do have a drop in ready for if he shows up.  

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Okay. Alright.   So, let's see. Well, maybe yes. Hello. Is that Dave?  

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No. Brian from North Carolina.  

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Hey, Brian. How you doing, man?  

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Good. I was thinking about some of that, mustard barbecue today.  

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Oh, you know what I had for lunch yesterday?   My not   not quite up to your part there, but I had a nice tuna steak with a mustard sauce on it that was just delicious on the grill. Go ahead.   I like that mustard barbecue. Anybody in the country, you don't know what we're talking about here, you get over in that part of the country,   you just stop at a barbecue place and pick the yellow instead of the red. You'll know what I mean.  

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That's right.   So I sent off a   copy of my cover letter and affidavit to the secretary of state of North Carolina   Yeah. Certified   return receipt requested. I got the green card back.   Uh-huh. And about three, four days went by, and I got a mailing from her.   And all she did was return my documents.  

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No Okay. Well, that's good. No response. Here's what you do.   Oh, well, here's what you do.   To nail that down, you write her a letter and say thank you for acknowledging the receipt and possession   of my citizenship evidence that is in the possession of the Secretary of State of The United States Of America. Now this goes back to this administrative   file thing. So now even though she snottily sent it back to you with no comment,   now you you thank her for that, and you nail the whole thing down because she couldn't have sent it back to you unless it was in her possession, could she?  

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That's right.  

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Well, there you go.  

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Yep.   Okay. And then do So that covers  

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that covers my question. I wanted also   to grab Mark's email while I was on here. Oh, Marky.  

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Go shake him there in the corner and get him ready.  

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It's strawman,   just like it sounds, s t r a w m a n,   at   mark, all caps,   dot com. Now it doesn't have to be capitalized, it's just my play   on the all cap name that everybody   believes is a corporation   or   grants jurisdiction. So it's kind of what was my catchphrase when I first started on Roger's show was mark all caps,   because all caps doesn't convey jurisdiction.   So anyway, it's   at mark, m a r k   a l   l, c as in Charlie, a, p as in papa, s as in Sierra,   dot com. Straw man Yep. @markallcaps.com.  

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Your one stop legal lawful shot.  

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Stop.  

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Hey, Ryan. Alright. Now, Brian, hold on. Let Brian, I want you to,   you're welcome. I want you to add something else in there. What was it? I've lost it now. Thank you for, my receipt,   and recognition of receipt and return of my citizenship evidence.   Please adjust all   state records   accordingly.  

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Okay. I'm writing that down.  

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Okay.  

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I wanna do a little follow-up with that too, Roger.   Yeah. Go ahead, Mark.   A lot of people   and and I get this. It's easy.   Either they'll make a call to some government agency that they're they're trying to,   you know, clear something up with or have a question,   or a government agency might call you.   Well,   unless you have a recording of it, it's almost like it never happened.   Right. So what we would what we would do   is,   one, we would try our best to record the call,   and then if   whether we did or didn't recall, I'll record the call. Excuse me. I should not drink this early in the morning.   But,  

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Just stay away from the 170   proof stuff. Go ahead.  

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So what we would do   is send them a letter   with the   summary of our conversation   or any key points that we wanna make. And we just send in a letter, and the one of the first senses would be,   this is to memorialize   our conversation,   that we had on such and such date or our phone conversation   that we had on such and such date. Mhmm. And, of course, if you got a recording of it, now you can get real specific   on what they said and what you said.   And then and then you give them thirty days to to,   object or to dispute it.   So  

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that's how you do that.  

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You know what I've learned about these creeps over the years? Is that Bob right there?  

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This is Jack in Colorado.  

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Oh, hey, Jack.   Yeah. I have I have a couple IRS questions, but I'll let you finish your point. Well, I was just gonna say what I've learned over the years is when if if you've got something real incriminating   on them,   they're gonna try and squash it as quick as possible to keep it from spreading. Okay? And we've been doing this for fourteen years, folks.   That's never happened one time. If you're new and listening to this early on,   these people recognize their rules. We just haven't known what the rules were. Well, now we do, and now they've got to recognize them.   I've I know you find that hard to believe.  

K? And I do not know.   I've said this a number of times. I've studied history a bit.   I don't know anyone else in history that's ever had these guys as firmly as we've got them here, and they don't know what to do about it.   See, they it's like Gandhi said. First, they ignore you,   then they demonize you,   then they fight you, and then you win.   Well,   they can't even   they all they do is,   stand silent because that's all they can do. They can't demonize us. If they deem that's why you've never seen my name anywhere. You gotta find it in some kind of Internet   thread or something somewhere.  

They don't wanna bring anybody to this information.   They've known about it since I started teaching at fourteen years ago   because we found out for sure from the Southern Poverty Law Center.   The guy's name is his name was,   Russ   from Minnesota.   If Tom's still listening, that's what he used to call himself when he was trolling   RBN.   And we found out through the Southern Poverty Law Center publication   that he was the managing editor for, that his name is Russell Estes,   another,   you know, little one of these little Zionist bastards,   one of them. And I came out and confronted him on the air on RBN and never   heard from him again. Okay?  

So, anyway, that's who it is.   They if they would've if they were gonna do something about this,   they've done something a long time ago. Okay?   So,   and   not now. When it's spread out all over the world and they've gotten millions of these things, they're not gonna turn around and start coming out and coming after one one of them now.   Okay? Because they don't have the footing and they're not gonna bring that kind of attention to this. They don't want this spreading anymore.   We are terrorists. When they call us terrorists,   in their mind, they're right. We are terrorists to them because we expose them and rip them down one side, up the other, and take all their power.  

The minute that affidavit   is properly put in the post office where it's stamped,   it's considered received   at the secretary of state. And the minute that happens,   they're totally exposed even though you may not see it on first glance because   it's deep. Okay? There's a lot of levels of fraud here. They're exposed.   You're free, and it happens at the same time. And they can't do anything about it but stand mute,   which convicts themselves,   doesn't it?   Don't they convict themselves when they can't address that affidavit?   You're damn right it does.  

Yes. Jack.  

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Hey.   So,   I have a question from Mark about the frivolous filing  

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filing fees. Can you hear me okay? Okay. Yeah. We're hearing you a little bit. You might be cutting out as you're in a bad cell, but go ahead. Mark, this one's for you, big.  

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So the state of Colorado   still hit me with $20,000   worth of frivolous filing fees for trying to get my state return back, and they're still pushing on that. Oh my god.   And I I know that Mark said that, the IRS is out of their jurisdiction to charge a frivolous filing fee, but it is the state able to charge a national   frivolous filing fee?  

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What did you file? I don't know. You filed in ours that are legit. I'm sorry, Mark. I'll let you handle it.  

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No. Go ahead, Roger. Let me hear your take on it first. Well, I've I think Colorado is  

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they've taken this one of the worst states in the union, and they're just like remember your Supreme Court voted six o to keep Trump off the ballot?   Six o. The Supreme Court.   Yeah. It was totally overturned nine o at the Supreme Court of the United States. Well, that's who's running your state, and that's what you're dealing with. And I'm sorry.   Used to be a great state. It ruined it.  

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Yeah.   Basically, the I did file a 20 20 three NR federally, which got rejected   recently, and they threatened the frivolous filing fee. So I replied to that and redid my NR with an some extra document that was missing. So that's probably gonna take another eight months to process. But in the meantime,   Colorado is threatening to garnish my wages, and   they're coming at me. But I'm just wondering what jurisdiction they have over a national.  

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Well, they're they they're supposed to give you protection,   not prosecute you.  

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I know. That's not happening. So just wondering kinda what my   angle is.   Well,  

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do they say why your filing was frivolous?  

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Yeah. Because I I also did a a return   to them asking for all my money back. I gave them for 2023.   And they sent a few letters saying saying my arguments were you're false. You're listening to patriotic   crap. And   finally, they I get I kept pushing back saying,   if I don't know, you know, if I don't know a federal return, how can I owe a Colorado return? And finally, I said, okay. Well, we're just gonna give you a $20,000   filing fee plus you owe us taxes.   Yeah. They're just saying that basically,   my arguments are   are false and this and that. And, of course, I've sent them all the documents and  

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all that. So Alright. Well, you're gonna do. It's gonna be quite a while. It's gonna be quite a while before they get to the point of garnishing your wages is my prediction here. But you got tons a a bunch of administrative appeals.   Since the tax has been paid, you could potentially take them to court.   Mark, what do you what say you on this?  

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Yep.   Exactly, Roger. They can't garnish wages without a judgment.   You gotta have a court judgment   to force   a party to garnish somebody's wages.   So you're you're a ways off on that. And if it ever comes to something like that,   I would be seeking an injunction,   a temporary injunction,   until my federal taxes are resolved.  

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You have a law full. Right? Yeah.  

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That's the last letter I wrote them back. I said, hey. My   my federal return is I found errors on my federal return. I resubmitted it. Please   stand down until I get my federal return   processed so, you know, we can determine at any tax I would owe. And that's the last letter I wrote. We'll see what happens.  

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Alright. Tom had a comment too.  

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Tom  

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did. Tom, go ahead. Hey. We're gonna be recording the road here. Go ahead. Can you hear me? Am I am I Yeah. Am I muted or you can hear me? No. Wide open. So as far as as far as recording,   there's a if you have an Android, there's a great app called   Cube,   c u b e, like a like a sugar cube, c u b e   a c r, auto call recorder.   That will work on almost all Androids.   Okay?   If you have a crapple phone, which I call that's what I call Apples.   If you have a crapple, there there is no software that will work,   but there is a device that will stick on the back of an Apple phone with a little button you push, and you can re it'll record both sides of the conversation.   If, if anybody wants links to that stuff, send me an email, [email protected].  

I will send them to you. I use the, I use the cube ACR   20 times a day recording the robocallers.   So, it works really good.   And,   yeah. Well, you know, you gotta record them if you wanna do that. I forgot. I forgot you were doing that. So, yeah, just chuckle. Yeah. Now as far as recording,   some states are one party, some states are two two parties. Gonna bring you party means you need everybody. Yeah. You need everybody needs to be have give permission.   If you but as in the case of robocallers, most of these are calling from out of the country.   The laws don't apply. If you're calling from one state to another, federal law is the controlling statute, and federal law is one party.  

So,   unless you're in a state and you're talking to someone else in the same state and it's a two party state,   you know, then you can record.   And if you if you you if you, think that you're being scammed, if you think it's something criminal going on, then you can still record. Doesn't mean you gotta tell anybody.   You don't have to,   you know, a lot of some people are afraid to do it. You know, I work with the government doing, wiretaps and crap, all like that, so I know all the laws about it. The,   if you know, you don't need to tell anybody you're recording.   I never do because I don't really care,   because they're committing crime. You know, what are they gonna do? Oh, your honor, I was trying to scam this guy, and he recorded me. What's he gonna do? Yeah.  

You know? So,   I'm I I'd love for them to come after me because then I can identify who they are. But,   you know, just what you can do is if you're in one of those two party states, you can record it and you play it back and you make, you know, meticulous notes.   And then you have a, you know, a written,   conversation,   you know, written record of the conversation.   And, you know, you can delete the recording or you can just put it away somewhere and keep it. But, you know, unless you use something against somebody, you know, for   extortion   or fraud   recording, you know, the feds aren't gonna bother you about it. You know?  

So that's that's   my input on it. I'm not a lawyer. You know? I'm not a lawyer or anything. So, you know, it's it's just my 2¢. But that's what I followed for the last forty years.  

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And and that's the deal is they want if they come after somebody and make an example of you, first of all, you know, it's always released right around April 15, right before it, just to scare the sheep. Oh, Leona Helmsley would be a good example. There are others, Wesley Snipes, etcetera.   And that's just to scare the sheep.   Okay?   And they're   they're never gonna take one of us   and bring us into that position because we always can say, what about this national? What about this regulation?   And they'll never draw people to this information.   That's why, as I was saying earlier, you've never heard heard of me before unless somebody told you because they certainly aren't gonna give me any press.  

I can come on here and call them kikes, everything else under the damn book. I can beg them, and I have, to put me on your hate list   both at in Montgomery and up there at the ADL. Well, of course, they're not gonna do it. K? They learned that from Perkins.   Or they probably knew it before that, but Perkins was a good example. You know what I'm talking about, Tom? Tom I think his name was Tom Perkins,   the guy that was the Yeah.   The the International Monetary Fund that wrote that Jackals book.   Well, the state department tried to combat that, and they put up a big,   a big website trying to counter the information,   and his damn book sales doubled.  



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Yeah. It just made more publicity for don't want. Yeah.  

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Yeah.  

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Ron, you know, it's just like Stadtmiller gave him hell, gave the ADL hell. Yeah. Stad Miller gave the ADL hell and said, look. You know what? Come on. You know,  

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file a lawsuit, do something, you know, and they wouldn't do it. Well, he well, he'd have rabbi Weiss from, Jews Against Zionism on there. I remember hearing those programs.  

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I know you're there, Larry. It gives a whole new meaning to these sleeping dogs lie.  

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Oh, boy, does it.   And some about   glass houses and rocks too, I think.   Yeah, Larry? Yeah.  

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Yeah. I've already sent this to, Jack in the past. Maybe he overlooked it, but   written and then to answer his question, like, what can you do with the state of Colorado coming after him with a $20,000   frivolous filing fee?   Well, you you always teach us to go to use   their own codes and regulations   against them, and it's already written in the Colorado,   tax codes.   It it says this, in addition thereto,   any taxpayer filing an amended return with the Federal Internal Revenue Service   that reflects any change in income   reportable to the State of Colorado   shall, within thirty days of of such federal filing,   make and file a corresponding   Colorado   amended return.  

And this goes along with because Jack's waiting   he's he's waiting,   he he's at least hoping   that the fed the federal Internal Revenue Service would stand down and wait until or I mean, the that the Colorado   Internal Revenue Service would stand down until he gets his amended,   his amended federal filing through   and has success with that. And that that way, he can go back and say, hey. Look at see, they consider me exempt.   But this code here is saying that you're you're you're not to wait. You're you're to file an amended return with the state of Colorado that reflects those changes.   So I would recommend that he does that.  

And, it's better to ask for forgiveness than, you know, that that principle,   so he could write a cover letter   saying, listen. I apologize that, you know, I'm well over the thirty days that you require in that code, but I just recently discovered this code. So here's my amended filing   that reflects,   what my federal filing was.  

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Well, I don't wanna reserve  

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Yeah. Burdensome and antiquated.   Isn't that good? Burdensome and antiquated and and and administered by foreign agents. Sorry, Jack. Go ahead.  

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I appreciate that input, Larry. It's just that I don't wanna send them another return that's identical, basically saying   they owe me money and I owe zero. I don't wanna because that's what set them off to begin with. So I don't really know why that would be beneficial. That was anything that would further their cause.  

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Jack, where did the $2,020,000   figure come from? How many of these returns did you send to them, or did that is generated from just one initial,   return?  

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Their policy is to charge two times the tax owed. They say I owe $10,000,   and so they their policy is the fee is $10.02   2 or twice what I owe is what the fee is gonna be.  

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Okay. Well, I yeah. They're just bluffing. They're just gonna bluff, and they're gonna try and back in the corner and intimidate you. And this is where you gotta be a blizzard claimant.   Michael, if you're listening I'm just trying to put the conditions. I'm just Alright. This is the conditions.   This one thing from Jack, we don't have it very often, where you you you see all his confidence. You see what he's doing. He knows his condition, he's gonna be belligerent, and he's gonna prevail. I'll tell you that right now.  

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I mean, they say I have a right to a hearing, so eventually, it'll probably get to that. But I'm just wondering from Mark, like, if I go in on a hearing and basically state the same argument, like,   I'm a national. I don't owe a federal tax. What's gonna what why would that judge or whoever believe that at that point if they're not believing the documents I'm sending in? And it might How about do we get How about the how about this for a curveball, Mark? What if you take the attorney general,  

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to court for violating   the protection that they're not giving,   our friend Jack here?   Well That'd be a different kind of approach. Here's  

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Here's here's the struggle that we've had and I don't know that I have a clear path for it yet.   It's  

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our  

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hypothesis,   our belief   that the states are just federal territories.   But I haven't really been able to put my thumb on case law   or or any kind of law that would support that.  

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Yeah. They've still got autonomy   to some extent.   And I don't I'm like you. I don't know where all the the knots are that bind,   but but both of those positions are in the states   because any of those state officers have two hats.   They're just not wearing the other one.  

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Right. May I What I've decided to do just so you know, what I've decided to   do is, I've got to get the IRS to go ahead and admit I owe zero taxes for 2023.  

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Yes. Yes. And then at that point, I can go and say, what tax do I owe Colorado? Yep. Yep. Now you it. So You can you can shove that up all kinds of people's barracks bag when you get that. That is the ultimate key, I think. Hey, Roger. It's William.   May I know? Hey. Yeah. Okay. There's William here. Yes, sir, William. How are you doing today? I'm not picking on you. I don't want you to get that idea. I'm just using you as an example. Okay?  

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Yeah. Somebody else was, was trying to get in, so I let them get in. Okay. Who was, who else is there? Yeah. This is this is Matt. Hey. I just wanted to answer Mark's Oh, hey, Matt. Question.  

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Hello. About federal jurisdiction.   The Buck Act. If you look at the Buck Act, to me, that clearly shows   the the, they have it has to be a federal territory for them to tax.   Okay.   So I would look that up. Oh, or   1940.  

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Right.   But you see previously, of course, that you have been a federal citizen, so you are in a you're federally affected wherever you went, even anywhere else in the world  

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for IRS. Right. Right. But when you're not a federal citizen anymore,   they consider you living in a federal zone or area,   by the Buck Act if you don't if you don't, speak to that, if you don't clearly state that you're not in there. So that's that's how they're they're getting away with it. So I would look at the Buck Act.  

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We have came up the other day.   So okay. Michael.  

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It's it's William.  

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William. I'm sorry. I've I've that's alright.  

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Yeah. I was gonna speak to you're talking about there was two statuses,   either free or you're a slave. Well, but politically,   there's either there's only two statuses. You're either a resident alien or you're a nonresident alien   Correct. To that jurisdiction.   Right. So, you know, that's where I went when put my letter to Georgia trying to get my title tax back because I said, I'm a nonresident alien   to The United States and thereby the state of Georgia because they're the same political,   it's a political subdivision of the federal government.   Okay. And I feel like it'd be hard for them to argue that. So   they're not a political subdivision. They're not in the same political jurisdiction as the federal government.  



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I agree. And for anybody that's new, we're getting the answers here, but because people are pressing the envelope like William here. And it's when we people press the envelope and you feel sure enough and and and aggressive enough and,   that we get answers.  

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K? I think you you need to push that you're a nonresident alien individual, Jack. I don't know how you do that or how ask them what you know, how do you treat nonresident alien individuals, and how do you you know, that's that's what you are.   Yep. To the state of Colorado.  

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Yep.   So we'll see how they react. I'll predict right now, and Jack will win.   They they can't overcome these things when they're really pressed.   Now they may take you to the limit.   You know, it's like, I'm watching a lot of hockey lately,   here in the Stanley Cups this year. And so they've they're running this commercial about the Stanley Cup and the, oh, the fact that two for two bunt endurance   and all that and the the the little spot   is going. It says it takes. It takes.   It takes.   It takes.   It takes. Every you're showing these different scenes.   And then when you're everything's spent,   then it gives when you win the Stanley Cup. Maybe that's what this is. It takes it takes you gotta persevere and persevere. You gotta know the information. You gotta be willing to stand there and confront somebody and go, you're wrong. I'm right. It says so right here. What's your over how do you overcome this in whatever form you're talking about? And then one day, they give up just like Gandhi said. First, they ignore you, then they demonize you, then they fight you, and then you win.  

Same thing.   So hang in there, Jack.  

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I don't think they're exercising   they think they're exercising a separate jurisdiction, and they're not.  

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No. That's true. Thanks. Yeah, Matt. Thanks. Good, man. How are you? How are you? Okay. Alright. Yes, Paul.  

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One thing I would do,   is   whenever they make a claim, if he's a resident of Colorado,   he,   owes a tax,   he should immediately rifle back,   a letter asking them to define   resident.   Are they talking about the political definition   or the geographical   definition?   And clarify that   because residence is where they're getting all their meat.  

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Yes. Well, there's a lot of ways you could come in on that, you know, and approach it that way,   in rubbing that term in their face. But, again,   with some of these bureaucrats, even the attorneys,   they've never been exposed to these things before. They think it's mythology and patriot crap   just because they've never been exposed to it before, and they can't believe it like   many of our people.  

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Just because of so much mythology   and patriot crap that has crossed their desk before,   now they are completely   operating on the presumption that anything outside the norm is BS.  

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Mark Twain, you know, it ain't what I know that's killing me. It's what I know that ain't so.   Right. Man, it's easier to fool a man than it is to tell him he's been fooled.   Boom.  

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Yes. I got the   stuff. So go ahead. I I yield, but I've we need Oh, no. No. We're out for it. I've looked up the Well, we had pretty telling.  

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Yes. Well, Julie was supposed to bring us a big book report, and she was paraphrasing some stuff. It looks like you're gonna give us a little more complete one. So step   in step into the microphone, my friend.  

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Alright. So   the Buck Act passed on 10/09/1940   and codified   at four   U. S. C.   Sections one hundred and five   and one hundred and ten. That's probably 105 through 110.   Right. Does   not explicitly   refer to the states as federal territories.   Instead,   it defines federal areas within the states and extends the ability of the states   to impose certain taxes such as sales, use, and income taxes   on persons or transactions   within those federal areas.   The act also includes specific definitions that clarify the scope   of its application.   The key definitions in the Buck Act, the relevant section for the definitions   in four USC section one ten   includes section one ten D as in David.  

The term state with a capital S includes any territory or possession of The United States.   Section 110,   E as in Edward,   the term federal area means any lands or premises   held or acquired by or for the use of The United States   or any department,   establishment,   or agency of The United States   and any federal area   or any part thereof   which is located within the exterior boundaries of any state   shall be deemed to be a federal area located within such state.   So there they're defining the Buck Act says the term state, capital S state,   includes any territory or possession of The United States.  

And then it goes on to  

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it goes on to explain what that is. Go ahead. I was just gonna say the state constitution couldn't define it further.   And most of them, I know Georgia, said   a a arsenal   arsenals   forged arsenals and needful buildings, but evident. Right. So Right. Again, example, what you know, I could,   I could, meet Mark at the post office and our two guys meet, and one of them sells drugs to the other. Well, you're selling drugs in Washington DC if you're doing it on the post office ground.   Yeah. So,   so there's all but that's   how May I very   secretly Roger?  



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Extend it. May I?  

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No. You may not. I'm gonna talk to the lady here. Thank you. Go ahead, Julie.  

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Hey,   everybody. So it says on here, though, as they they what they basically   did was they created these shadow states and state is capital.   It says as a result of creating these shadow states, the federal government assumes that every area is a federal area and that the citizens   therein are federal citizens.  

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Okay. See, it's just a reverse.   It's not every area. It's the state's area.   But you're the property and they, whoever's writing this, doesn't understand that. It's just the opposite.  

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Right. But it says on here that for,   USC,   section 11 section 110,   parentheses   d, the term state, and they're again now capitalizing   s in state, includes any territory   or possession of The United States and it says for   USC section 110   e, the term federal area means any land or premises held or acquired by or for the use of The United States or any department,   Establishment,   or Agency of The United States, any Federal area, or any part thereof which is located within the exterior   boundaries of any Capital   s state shall be deemed to be a federal area located within such capital s state.  

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Okay. You mean like the the Bundys, the grazing lands that BLM owns and all that stuff? Yes. Those are federal territories.   Most of Alaska was a federal territory.   So, yeah, that exists. And then the other things too.  

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They're basically saying on here that they took   a federal capital s state of, say, for example,   Illinois, and they overlaid   it upon the sovereign state of Illinois.  

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Well, that's what happened. They veneer over everything. They took the state citizen. They veneered the citizen of The United States, federal citizen over it. We can go back. I've told this to y'all before. Go to the law library. Go look at the statutes at large.   The the the group of law books will add dust on them over there on the side and pick get volume one and open it up. First thing you see, articles of Confederation,   Ohio territories,   you know, etcetera, etcetera. All those things still apply.   They've just been veneered over. And that's what we're doing is we're running an end around around all their defenses   and going back because we understand the information   to their headquarters there at the back, and we're slitting the leaders' throats.  



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Yeah. And also, Roger, it says on here that if you   Yeah. And Roger, also, it says on here if you use,   a two letter capitalized abbreviation   of your state, you're declaring   that the location is under the jurisdiction of the federal government instead of all Guess what? That doesn't override that doesn't override  

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my affidavit, and I'm not I'm not sure it's true. Where where are you reading from?  

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I'm reading a,   synopsis of the Buck Act and The United States Of America.   Written by who? Voting all of that.  

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Okay. Written by who? See,  

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Written by who? What's the direction? By  

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I'll have to figure out who this is summarized. Oh, well, I see that.   Right. Well, I'm just saying that this  

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if this guy doesn't understand   what we do, he's he's very likely misinterpreting   what he's seeing and telling you about the Buck Act. My point.   K?   So anyway, we'll see.   Look, whatever all that stuff is, we remove ourselves when when you file that affidavit.   K?  

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Right. But I think that this does say that though. It basically says even if you create a,   even if you create a federal area within a   state and we are not federal citizens anymore, then we're not part of that. We're not part of that federal,   part of our state that they've created by the Buck Act. Isn't that what  

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we're all saying here? Well, that's what I that's the way I see it, Julie.  

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That's the way I see it too. I'm just trying to say that I think despite the fact that we're not a federal sys citizen and that federal part of the state that was   federal is not applicable to us as as a national exception,  

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of those two IRS codes, we have no relationship   with any   federal   agents.  

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Right.  

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K.  

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Alright. I dare I do it. Ferris, was that you?   Bob Ferris. Did you appear did you appear me up there. Was mentioned twice instead of three times?  

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It's Matt. Roger, it's Matt. Okay? Oh, okay. I thought Ferris.  

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Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you sound like important.  

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That's alright. I'm I am too.   I just wanna let you guys know. I I'm the one that brought up this whole Buck Act thing here today. Okay.   I I'm fighting the franchise tax board in California, so the state taxing agency here. And they're down to their final levy and lien notice. I have that. And I put very clearly in there   for USC   one fourteen,   which is,   basically, the fact that the state cannot   tax pensions,   for nonresident or yeah. For nonresident. Basically, they can't tax their pensions, and it defines at the end of of one fourteen for USC one fourteen   state with a capital s   as a political subdivision,   just like we're saying.  

So I'm right in the thick of it, and I've been doing this. In addition, there's a it's a it's one seven zero two   one seven zero two four point five   of the,   California revenue   and taxation code, which refers to,   it doesn't apply to nonresident aliens because it refers back to the internal revenue code. Everything's connected to the internal revenue code. Yeah. I've given them all that. They're still ignoring it. They're still Yeah. Claiming that they're gonna   lien or levy, you know, bank accounts, property, or whatever. So we'll see what happens.   But but I've I've made it very clear to them citing for USC one fourteen as well  

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as that code in the, telephone revenue and taxation code. So once they have that Sounds these guys are gonna press and press and press if they are of that mindset and that California is definitely desperate for revenue.   And,   you're you gotta be a belligerent claimant. I don't know any other way to deal with it, and the your only other option is to cave and become a slave again.   So this is like the the the irresistible   force meeting the immovable object if you choose for it to be that way.  

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Yeah. If they take something out of an account or do something, I'm just not sure what the best legal   move would be at that point. That's where I what would be the best option moving forward to go after them to go on off the edge.  

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Well, you know,   there there are people,   in our midst that have to run to the bank every first of the month because they've got a garnishment on them, and they get to the bank and get the funds before the IRS can.  

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Roger.  

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Yes. Paul yes. Paul.  

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Put the state on notice that,   any, garnishment   or levy   will be considered   theft.   Make the claim.   Force them to rebut it.   And if they don't, then they're agreeing that if they take money from you, they're stealing it. It has to be theft by taking because they are not on legitimate  

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procedural   grounds.  

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Roger? I I I have kept the hold on. Attorney general and the French and the CEO of the franchise tax board. I've kept both of them in the loop and let them know they will be complicit in this. Now we'll hold them responsible   in their private capacity if anything does happen to any of my property   without a yield. Man.  

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Fantastic, man. I wish you a pleasure to hear from you. My god.  

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Hold hold on, Wahid. Ma, I'm about to have a heart attack.   Okay. Merc is first.  

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Roger, I just wanted to let Jack know,   or ask him if he called   the nonresident   alien line for the IRS.   And if he does do that, tell him that you know, if he hasn't, he should do that and ask tell him that there's been an error.   Couldn't hurt. Talk to someone   about it and document it, then put it on a lawful legal notice. Okay. Send them the sending them a reminder   as, that he is a private individual   national   and put the whatever codes that he needs to put on there to, you know, reinform them and notice them.   And, also,   is there was there a signature,   on his frivolous filing thing   and respond to that person, but send the notice to the attorney general   ceasing that person   and also,   ceasing,   secretary of state of DC   so that it is all on the record.  

Yeah. Put it on an affidavit   as documented fact,   so that everything's documented,   and they have to rebut whatever he is telling them.  

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So there a nonresident   alien   800 number? Is that what you're telling us?  

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There should be. Yeah. There's an there's a number,   that you it's the Philadelphia office  

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that you can call. Called them actually.   I've called them several times, and talked to them   all through last year while I was waiting for my INR to come back. I called them several times, and, basically, they're just agents, and all they can do is look it up. And they basically were just telling me it was stuck in errors and emissions because I made a mistake on there. But finally, when I made it through errors and omissions,   that's when they declined it and called it frivolous and sent me a frivolous filing fee for $5,000   threat letter. They didn't actually assess the fee yet that I had to reply to that. But, that that was from the federal.  



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Hold on. Hold on. They see these things get so confusing.  

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That the letter was from the federal IRS with the threat for frivolous filing or not, or it was from the state? Both. Yeah. I got the same day, I got one from the feds, from IRS, and I got one from the state. So  

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it all happened at one one day. Boy, they got a they got a penis erectus for you, son.  

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What'd you do? Yeah. And then and then so I'm just confident that until my until my tax statement says zero taxes owed by the IRS,   that I'm not gonna win anything with the state because they're just going off of that. The state can see what I owe at the IRS. They've been looking into it because they they reference some rental income I have, and they reference some other stuff that they wouldn't know otherwise. They're looking at my IR statement. So  

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Okay. Well, keep fighting. Keep fighting there, Braveheart.   Okay?  

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Alright.  

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Include them all in the in the notice, Jack, all of them together so that way they're they're renoticed that you already sent your,   affidavit to the IRS and that you are only responsible for those,   08/1877  

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codes. Hey. You had virtually nobody else state of Colorado.   That's a good idea. The problem with the state, though, is they've already pigeonholed me as a wacko, and they're not gonna look at anything else I send them. They got me over on the shelf with all the yes or no ticks.  

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It's harassment. They might they might have to recognize it if it's in some sort of a court document. We'll see when we get to that point. Okay?   And I'm sorry, but bunch of people don't   up up up up. Most people don't have these problems.   Jack does. We've had, you know, Michael Nail there in Birmingham with that court fiasco. And it doesn't happen to very many people, but it does happen occasionally.   Why? I think the biggest takeaway for me is how absolutely terrible Colorado's gotten.   It's such a beautiful state. It used to be so conservative.   And boy, have they taken that place over, and you can see the fruits of that in this conversation.  



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There's a few times I gotta admit, there's a few times when I got all those letters that I thought about capitulating and just saying forget about it and going back into the system. But the more I thought about it, I realized I'm gonna fight it to the very end because there's no way in hell I'm gonna be paying taxes the rest of my life if I can avoid it. So I wanna make them take me to court and pin me down, I guess.  

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Well, they probably well, then I doubt they'll ever bring you to court. They're just gonna threaten you and make your life miserable a little bit and make you fight them through the paperwork   war. But   but you see, they don't come raid they're not coming to raid in your house or anything. They're just trying to scare the hell out of you and impose all this stuff on you, and they're banking on the fact that most people will cave or many. Many will cave. Hey, Roger.   Well, there's Bob. I think that's Bob. I'm   missing voices today. There's somebody else. Let's get Bob first. Yep.  



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Well, well, you tried to conjure me up so many times. I thought I just had to say something.  

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Okay. Okay. You're like you're like scissorhands.  

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Okay. So, yeah,  

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you know, in in reference to the Buck Act and what   was being read there,   I'm sure the old timers understand this, but it's still good to go over it again. It's all about jurisdiction. It's not about what land you're standing on because they are   being simultaneously   stood upon. You're on the state, and you're on the state of at the same time because it's   coexistent.   But one does apply to you and one does not, and it's all about jurisdiction.   Gotta get that in your head. Gotta keep it in the front of your brain.  

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Well, you if it's federal land, you could say they've got, subject matter jurisdiction, couldn't you?  

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Arguably.   Okay. But if you're not subject to them, there   there you go. But but but no. They've got jurisdiction over that land. It's just if you're on I understand. But they don't have they don't have jurisdiction  

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over you if you're not engaged in a federal activity. Well, that's what I'm so that's the net I'm trying to pit for the new people here. There there are several different kinds of jurisdiction.   We're talking about in persona Yeah.   On your person.  

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Going back about thirty minutes or maybe more,   some gentleman was, I think, from North Carolina maybe, was talking about sending I believe.   Communication to the secretary of state of the state.  

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Yes. And I was confused as to why that was being done because they don't really have much to do with what we're about. I'm But but Wouldn't that be the state attorney general? Well, yes. It would be. That's who we received that back from. And also, I guess, all she did send it back to him. I don't know any cover letter or anything. And what I suggested was you're just writing back to them and going thanks for,   recognizing your possession and receipt of my citizenship evidence. Leave it right there because that's gotta go in some kind of correspondence somewhere.  

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Yeah. Well, my point is I just was thinking it might mislead people to thinking that the state secretary of state is relevant to us. We don't deal with them. So No. Exactly. That that that's that's confused.  

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Bob, the secretary of state of DC.  

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Yes. No. Well, he was talking about North Carolina. State of the state. Yeah. The the that may have been That was my disconnect.  

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Okay. Yep. Okay. Like I said, this can be confusing. I I appreciate you coming forward,   pointing that back out. But what we're doing   as you learn this is you're training your mind to think with specificity.   It probably hasn't thought before in generalities.   And we've and that's why   people will say, well, you you know, think your your thinking is so sharp because it is. Because we've gotta go in here. They set us up with generalities   in these words and the way we accept them when they're used. And then they come back and they zap you with one little incremental   specific in there. So   we've got to start thinking in specifics. And then so,   in doing so, it improves your thinking skills.  

You know? Roger. Just you can't help, bud. Yes. Larry Bob, were you finished, buddy?  

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I think you were. Right? That's it for me. Thank you.  

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See you, my friend. Yes, Larry.  

[01:37:24] Unknown:

Yeah. I was wondering if I could ask Jack a question if he's still on.   What did he file   simultaneously   when he filed, you know, with with the state of Colorado when he filed his   his, ten forty n r with the federal IRS.   Did he file anything with the state of Colorado?  

[01:37:51] Unknown:

Jack, are you still there? Larry's got this question.   I don't know, Larry. Sounds like he  

[01:38:00] Unknown:

Hello? Can you hear me?  

[01:38:03] Unknown:

Yeah. Is that there he is. I'm not Jack. Jack, do you have a question?  

[01:38:08] Unknown:

When I filed my   ten forty n r early last year for 2023,   I also sent in a   state tax return saying,   I made no federal income and to send back all my state taxes I paid in 2023.   Okay. Without you ask?  

[01:38:31] Unknown:

I think that's what he asked. Yeah.  

[01:38:35] Unknown:

So I guess you did comply with that code that I just read off a little while ago. Does that sound about right? Yeah.  

[01:38:41] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I I filed my taxes basically at the same time early last year. Wow. It's just taken it took a year for the this will get done. And I've been fighting with Colorado with letters for the last year back and forth, and it they finally got fed up and said, okay. You're we're assessing a bunch of fees, and we're done with you, basically.  

[01:38:59] Unknown:

Well, it's my understanding that these government agencies, whether they're state or federal,   the right hand, a lot of times, does not know what the left hand is doing. And so maybe you could take that,   frivolous $20,000   frivolous filing fee correspondence   and   take your take your,   Colorado filing   and your federal filing   and redact any information that you don't want to get out in the public.   And go ahead and send all of that with a cover letter   reminding everybody that you already complied with that that Colorado code and that you are tax exempt   federally. And because there's actually a code, Roger, I don't know if you know this, in the state of Colorado that says you're only required to file a a tax return in Colorado   if you are required to file one,   in with the federal IRS.  

So you could take all of these codes   and throw them right back into their court.   And you can notice the,   the attorney general of Colorado.   You could send, you could send, a CC to Tigta,   TIGTA,   and that's the the attorney,   that's the tax inspector,   the,   for for the tax administrative   office.   It's a federal office.  

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Larry, the problem is this is all good ideas, but the problem is I actually agree with Colorado right now,   because they as far as they know, all they know is what the feds are saying. And if the feds are saying I owe tax, then Colorado's gonna say I owe tax. So until the IRS says I don't owe the tax,  

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then you go back and in this airbag.   That's the next No. You don't agree with them. Get that straightened out.  

[01:40:51] Unknown:

I'd say you don't agree with any of them.  

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And so I would say because they're wrong. They're wrong. But then as long as IRS shows that I owe a tax for 2023,   then that The situation  

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is gonna exist.  

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Yep.  

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Yeah. And they're as long I think there's a lot of  

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God. Okay. As long as they're they're under that presumption, your situation is gonna exist. You've gotta go back and cure that knot at the start.   The way I see it That's what I think.  

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Yep.  

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Call the Philadelphia office and talk to them again.  

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Well, Jack again. I'm sorry. You're in that condition. And I can understand now and   okay. Go ahead.  

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I was just gonna say that I already redid my my   ten forty n r, and I included the form o I.   So it's all correct now, and so they haven't had a chance to review it. I also sent them a copy of my   application from my privacy act request that came back from my passport that shows that   the secretary of state   gave me a passport saying that I'm a nonresident   alien or Well, not national. So it's like they have all the   yeah. Yeah. So it's like No. The problem gonna battle the fence,   and that's it. I'm gonna try to win there first.  

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Well, you know, you've got to win there. You're not gonna win this one.  

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Right.   K.  

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So I'm glad you're just gonna take some time. Oh, jeez almighty. It's gonna take some time, few months. These things don't work fast, but you'll prevail if you can get that. You I don't see how they can't recognize it, Jack. If you've amended it and sent them the right stuff they're asking for, it's a matter of   asking for, it's a matter of time until that'll change, and then you can unwind Colorado.   It appears.   K? Not two or three people want to say something.   I think there's a new student that was waiting to jump in. Okay. Well, we're gonna Jack, we're gonna put you in your situation   and and not discuss it anymore because it's confusing.  

Back on the back burner, is there a new student that had something they wanted to say?   Was there somebody else in that melee of people that had something they wanted to say?  

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There's someone that name his name was Steve,   but I don't know if he already left.  

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Deeb?   Steve. Are Steve.   Steve, are you there?   Y'all are a tough crowd. You're a tough crowd. They may have left already.  

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Okay. Roger, sorry again.  

[01:43:33] Unknown:

Okay, Larry.  

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Just a closing comment. I mean, I don't I guess what I'm saying to Jack, you know, instead of sitting around and waiting, he could be proactive   and, and not reactive   waiting on somebody to send him another correspondence.   And he can remind everyone of his political status   and all the paperwork. He could send copies of all the paperwork that he already submitted   And, maybe that will do the trick.   And and to also get the,   inspector general involved too. And I would even CC Doge   because this is a big waste of everyone's time for someone that's supposed to be tax exempt.  

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Good boy, little one.  

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Hello?   Is that someone trying to get in there?   Hello? Was somebody trying to say something there besides what Larry said?   Y'all are tough today. You're very tough. We've got a few more minutes left in the show. If you've got something you'd like to discuss, it's it'd be very,   very prudent to bring it forward now.   I   would   definitely,  

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CC the JAG because they are over overstepping their territorial jurisdiction.   They're operating federally   on a on a man on the, you know, a a natural inhabitant of a of a,   whether Idahoan or California or whatever.   That was the famous case, right, when the guy said, hey. I'm a I spell my my name this way, and I'm a Californian.   And the attorney tried to address the name thing, but didn't ever address the fact that he was a Californian and that the tax court threw it out  

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because they they had no jurisdiction to yield. Alright. I don't know anything about that. Who was speaking? Who just said that?  

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That's George from Idaho.  

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Oh, okay, George. Alright.   Lady, we gotta get you on on a scuba gear here. Call back in. You're underwater.   I don't know. Paul, what causes that? That's weird. It happens to just a couple of people.   But, sweet little Linda sounds like she's gargling. You know?  

[01:45:49] Unknown:

I People   people do different things   while they're on the show. I mean, they disappear. They put the show on hold. They take other phone calls. Oh, that's a scammer. They do things with their phones. And when they get back to the, FCC app, their audio is screwed up. It's not anything that we're doing.   If   I don't know. Maybe they should just kinda sit there and Okay. Not do nothing.   Alright. So that's the only thing I can guess.   Linda, we're not gonna be able to understand a word you say until you disconnect and reconnect, and you only got fifteen minutes to do it. So get on your shot. Oh, you know, she's pretty good at that. I bet she's done it already. Linda, are you back?  

[01:46:32] Unknown:

Hey. Hey, Roger. This is Tom in Los Angeles.  

[01:46:35] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, alright. Hold on. Okay. Tom, we gotta get Linda. She's back. We'll get you in a second.  

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Yes. Go ahead, Linda. In reference in reference to the,   smallest state   secretary of state,   the reason why   I advise   notifying them because on my cover letter, I say,   since you folks are in charge of all the oath of judges,   I want you to be aware,   and I want you to be able to protect me in the event   that   any local judge   rules against me or something of that nature.   So I'm not opposed to notifying the SOS   at the local level, and that's all I need to add at the time. I yield.  

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Okay. Thank you, sweetie. Tom Garrett?   Is it Tom Garrett?  

[01:47:27] Unknown:

Yes. Yep. That's me.  

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Hey, Tom. How are you doing?  

[01:47:31] Unknown:

I'm good. I got my, affidavit notarized yesterday, and I'm I'm gonna mail it off today.  

[01:47:36] Unknown:

Fantastic. Congratulations.   I'll congratulate   you.  

[01:47:43] Unknown:

Thank you. And I I had a question for Mark.   I've I've heard him talk about his classes for private trust.   Right. And I sent him an email a couple weeks ago.  

[01:47:55] Unknown:

Uh-huh.   Let's just see let's see if we can hail him up. Mark, are you still there?  

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Mark?  

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Tom's got his little dog there.   He he might be doing something. I'm not sure if he's still with us or not. About that.   There he is right there. Okay. I thought so. Yeah. Tom was wanting to ask you a question. He's one one of our new, guys. He just got his affidavit,   notarized, and he's gonna follow through with the process. He's from LA   and is the owner proud owner of some sort of an advertising agency. Right, Tom? Cool. Yep. That's that's correct.   Okay. And, Mark, you got   a ton. Hey, Tom. I don't think he's asking yet. We're hailing you up.  

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Alright. Yeah. I've I've heard you mentioned the, the class you did for private trusts,   and I was wondering if you're gonna do another class and if you do private consultations   Yes. Yes. I do. That area. And  

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I'll send you a  

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I emailed you a couple weeks ago and just   maybe it went to your spam or or something, but I just wanted to, yeah, see if that got through. Alright. Alright.  

[01:49:04] Unknown:

I'm I'm kinda limited on my time to do, like, personal consultation.   So Mhmm. You know, we talk about trust,   and you see, like, in in   Jack in Colorado, his situation,   if if he had everything in a trust, there was nothing directly they could take from him short of maybe his try to garnish wages, which would take a court order.   But if you have everything sitting in a trust,   there's really nothing that go after them. Short of your liberty, which means they'd have to throw you in jail   to lose your liberty.   So when we deal in these taxes, it's generally always gonna be civil, especially since, you know, we're letting them know it's not our intent to avoid a tax. If   we lawfully owe a tax, we wanna pay it.  

So   we're,   I'm getting geared up for our next round of classes that probably take place   here,   probably two to three weeks. I'm putting some   slide shows together,   and I think we'll, you know, give a visual representation.   I know when we first started the class and I drew out the structure of the trust,   it clicks with a lot more people because you're trying to talk about these   kinda abstract   concepts.   But when you can show it in a diagram   of what the   the relationship is and the parties and how they interact,   it just becomes a lot more clear for most people. So   I would say in probably two to three weeks, we'll have our next class started.  

And I've already got, got a person who signed up and others are interested.   And, the other thing I'm doing too, Roger, this is I'm I'm kinda excited about this.   I,   I'm gonna be sharing   well, I mean, I shouldn't say sharing. Part of your membership   will be able will give you access to software   that will auto insert   the information for your trust.   So when it comes to, like, your legal description of your real estate and so on and so forth, the names,   trustee names, and it lays it all out for you, and and that will give you your initial template   that you can utilize to create your own trust document.  

And I I'm really excited about making that happen because a lot of people said something.   Yeah. And and then the other thing too,   you know, I will for all the students, I I will have a personal consultation   so that when you draft your trust,   then I will go over that with you privately,   not as a not in a class orientation,   but go over that with you privately to make sure it meets   your goals of your trust.   So, yeah, I'll I'll be   that's kind of our next step. And so and the other thing too, this is a lifetime membership.   So   you're a member of this trust. We've, you know, we've pretty much finished up our our   our first class,   our first group of students, our members.  

And so there's members who were   on the road or what weren't able to make all the classes,   whatever.   But   they're wanting to know, well, can we come join the next class? I was like, absolutely.   So you can you can   go through the classes as many times as you want. We have one training class a week, and then we have two question   and answer sessions. Matter of fact, we'll have one today   at 4PM eastern, three PM central.   And I just opened up the floor for people who may may have missed the Tuesday night call.   They went back and watched the replay,   and then I'll answer questions for them. So, you know, and some people   work evenings or they're tied up on Thursday evening.  

They can't make that open q and a session, so I hold one today   in the afternoon.   So, Tom, did that answer your question?  

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Yeah. Yeah. And that the the calls for today, that's just for people that are already in the class.  

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Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's correct.  

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No. I would I'm very interested in signing up for the next round.   Okay. And I emailed your strawman@mark,allcaps,.com.  

[01:53:30] Unknown:

Okay.   Is it possible to see if that got to you, or is is it in a spam folder? I'll go back and look through it. I'll I'll you know, if you send it to me, I'm sure I've got it.   So not a problem. I'll I'll respond that or I'll respond to that. And and the first students were highly complimentary  

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of, of the whole process,   Tom.   So welcome to the call. It's the first time you've joined us here, isn't it? Elsa, as mama, did you get her,   calmed down?  

[01:54:00] Unknown:

No. Not at all.  

[01:54:04] Unknown:

Hey, Tom? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's Julie right here, Tom.  

[01:54:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, Tom. My name is Julian. I just went through the class, and it's invaluable information. It's fabulous information. You are gonna learn so many,   tricks and tools of the trade. I've highly recommended this to everybody,   to do this because you don't have to, like I said before on a call, you don't have to be wealthy   to   do this class. What you want to do is just learn how   to do proper   estate planning,   AKA wealth   preservation, but we're not supposed to say that. It's supposed to be estate planning purposes. But it is really you learn how to protect what you do have so that nothing can be lien, levied, garnished,   because if you don't own   anything but you control   everything,   there's nothing for anybody to take. So it's it's amazing information.  



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You know Brent Brent one day, of course, I don't know Tom if you know this. Brent's with us on Friday. His trust for his specialty.   He's twenty plus year practicing attorney too.   But he made a really interesting comment. Mark, he said   a trust is a one way contract.   Now that's darn interesting. You go noodle on it.   Because it's sent to an entity that's not it's just one way. You know? And especially depending on the kind of trust, some of them are irrevocable   or irrevocable if you're from some other part of the country.   But, anyway, interesting point. They're interesting instruments.  

They've been around for a long time, and they're very effective. So wise decision, Tom. You'll love working with Mark, and it's good information for anybody. K? So everything else come along with you   fine?  

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With me?  

[01:56:02] Unknown:

Yeah. Your dog, you must have got the dog fed. He quit yipping. So Oh, I don't I don't have a dog. But  

[01:56:09] Unknown:

Oh, it's somebody's dog. Okay. It it's still the whole thing is still mind blowing. And   when I first started follow I read your book and started following all this. I,   I was afraid that if it didn't work, I would lose all my money.   And now   understanding trust and understanding you don't actually want to own money   No. It's kinda blowing my mind. Like, I am gonna lose, quote, unquote, like, ownership over all my money. And that's that is a step towards freedom.   Yep. And,   yes. It's just the whole thing is is very fascinating to me. Well, well, that's fine. Like, when Ted Kennedy  

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drove off, the bridge there with Mary Jo,   they couldn't come at the Kennedys because everything's in trust. The car was in a trust.  

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Yeah. And all that happened was a wrecked car. That's how they cover their asses. Yes, Julie. Go ahead. Yeah. This is Wanna tell Tom that another thing that Mark teaches you is believe it or not, you'll be told by most trust attorneys or people who do trust that you cannot be the grantor,   who's the person who puts the assets into the trust, and the trustee, who's the person who manages the trust, and the beneficiary   who benefits  

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from the trust. However, you can  

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set up an LLC,   a solo owner, a sole   owner   LLC or solo   owner s corp, and you can name that s corp or that LLC as the beneficiary.   So I mean indirectly,   you're all three is all I'm saying.   But you're naming an LLC as the beneficiary of which you are the solo owner of it, if that makes sense. So there's all sorts of,   Mark's brain is a genius brain. So there's all sorts of things he knows how to help help you do that,   I was blown away with. So I yield.  

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There you go. Tom, Ed.   Help your sleep easier tonight there, Tom. Yes, Paul?  

[01:58:04] Unknown:

We've got about sixty seconds before the whistler, and I did want to,   to point out,   it's something that Julie said that,   I don't know, might have not been caught.   Own nothing,   control everything is the very modus operandi   that the Kennedys, the Rockefellers,   the Warburgs,   the Schwabs.   Oh.   Everybody that we are fighting, they use that very method to protect themselves.  

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John d made that statement public. Said, I don't wanna own anything, but I wanna control everything.  

[01:58:41] Unknown:

Right. Exactly.  

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Yep.  

[01:58:45] Unknown:

Okay. So Well, that's what's so fascinating. I I have  

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can I add one more thing? Y'all we're we're gonna talk a little bit after. I just wanna, welcome you to the program for the first time, and you got a excellent connection.   And, yeah, what you what you got here for? We clock out.  

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Well, it's just that this whole thing is mind opening about, like, money and power   Yeah. And,   the relationships because I thought that I was, I thought that whoever's in charge had the power to enslave me,   and that goes deep into my subconscious. And now realizing   we have the power, we just have to exercise it   is is mind blowing, but it also goes to money where I don't think we necessarily need to control all the money.   But we Well, there's no money. Own it, but we wanna control it.  

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Okay. It's not money. There's another one of these exercises.   Go a day, and every time you're gonna use the word money, substitute currency.   Currency. Debt. Debt can't be   money. And the debt is based on us and this relationship   that we've been tricked into volunteering into with them. And they have to recognize   us volunteering out.   It's the you know, that's the piece everybody's missing is you've got the power.   You've got the power. They tricked you out of it. Take it back.  

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Yes.  

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You're about to do that. So congratulations,   Tom. Now you don't listen. Don't dilly dally around   and not cover the back end of this. Okay? After you've done this and get a passport, whatever, notify the IRS, whatever else you're gonna do, go back and and weaponize it on the back end and send, you know, Ching Chong, whoever the AG is there. And he'll write you back a letter saying we respect our private citizens,   copy your local folks there, and nail everything down. And now you're really safe.   Yeah. Because you've put them on notice and you fulfilled the first end of due process.   And if they don't respond,   which they generally never do, which means they agree.  

So you're in like Flynn, man. It's,   I can't believe God put this in my lap, quite frankly. Roger?   Yes. Hold on. We gotta say goodbye to the radio folks. Bye bye. Did. See you Monday.   K. Yes. Julie.  

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Yeah. What is that phrase you,   use all the time? I forget. You say blank is loaned into circulation and some coins are spent into   circulation. What is that right now? Currency  

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currency,   the Federal Reserve notes   are not monetized. They may be printed by the   office printing and engraving sitting in a warehouse,   but they're not monetized, their term,   until someone takes out a loan.   And you can't take out a loan without collateral and compound interest on each side. Okay? So all currency, debt currency,   is loaned into circulation,   but coins are spent into circulation. There's no usury attached.  

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Thank you.  

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That's why if you come visit Ecuador,   you eat if you got a coin first, bring it. If not, we'll get you one on the first day   because everything's coin down here because they gotta borrow those Federal Reserve notes to circulate, but they can get the coins   and spend them in a circulation with no interest. So this remember the old Susquehanna   dollar   from twenty, thirty years ago that disappeared?   Well, it that's here.   So that's one of our main dollar currencies is that old coin. So anyway, yep. That's it. Somebody says Roger or Tom. Did you have something to say? Yeah. That was that was Samuel, Roger. I I had a question.   Okay. This came out Samuel's right above you. Tom, by the way, Samuel's just a little bit north of you there in California. Go ahead, Samuel.  



[02:02:49] Unknown:

When it comes to the word reside or resident,   aren't they equatable   to,   fourteenth amendment? Aren't they really the same whether they're geological   or political?  

[02:03:04] Unknown:

Well, no. If I live over here, that may not mean you've got jurisdiction   for all over me in Washington, DC.   That, I believe, is just a   as the plan was being developed, I believe somebody   took that very keyword   and assigned a geographical   definition to it. If you go back to Vatel's Law of Nations on the pages on residency,   he never says resident.   He always says   resident   alien.   They dropped the alien   and added a geographic definition is what I think, Samuel.  

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Let me give you some context.   In trying to file my paperwork with the county,   they wanna put me into terminologies   like resident.   Now I think that becomes   political as well as it is geological.   And for that reason, I wanna avoid the terminology and not sign paperwork that is using that term.  

[02:04:05] Unknown:

Okay. Well, if you sign it, make sure that your definition is or you're initiating this action.   You should be able to define the term at the start of the initiation of your paperwork, it seems.  

[02:04:18] Unknown:

Yes. I do. But I don't wanna contradict myself because,   in order to I did my own quick claim deed in order to enter my affidavits   and   my real   new claim on the property.   And the only way I can get them in there is through their quitclaim, but their quitclaim needs,   transfer tax   box and, you know, a bunch of crap that uses   words like occupy   and tax, of course, and all kinds of things, which   I'm trying to avoid as much as I can. And I just I just feel that that in this context,   and I have plenty of statements in the other documents, of course, that refute anything I'm   going to apply just to get it in there.  

But   I still see in the case of resident   that that becomes political as well as   geography   when you're applying   in this particular case because it's tied to the land, which is geographical,   but it's that ties you back to the fourteenth amendment, which is political  

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because you're residing. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, I it it it right there in Webster's dictionary, it uses the same definition,   but one's geographical   and the other exact definition with the exception of for the receipt of a benefit or the discharge of a duty,   that one's legal. And I don't think   I I don't I don't I don't know, Samuel.   You know? Again, there's a deep overthinking   of some of this stuff, and, I just don't know. K? But I do know that the overall,   application   underneath   is that are you under the laws of Washington DC?   That's the question you're asking. They're asking you. Right. They may not know that.  

I'm sure they don't know it.  

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No.   At the the recorder   assistant   asked me to explain to her what a load deal was.  

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Okay. Well, you can bet they don't understand the resident thing. And, again,   we're we're not in the condition we're in because of a lack of people filing paperwork.   We're in the condition we're in because of a lack of people's education and understanding   and their expert fraud. Okay? And it is slick.   You gotta admit, you can't get into this   very much depth at all and go, holy smokes. This is slick right here.   K?   Roger, I I would also like Yesterday, hold it. Brent came off yesterday.   Again, when his statement was, well, the everybody that the fourteenth amendment applied to is dead.   Well, obviously, that's just a misunderstanding.  

It's not true. Okay? But here's the problem with Brent. As I said,   he can't think like our enemies.   All he's done is study the common law, and he he everything framed in what he's learned on that and how it not like what it is, but what it ought to be. And so he sees that without taking in because he doesn't wanna think like the enemy without coming to the conclusion that underneath   birthright citizenship is the feudal system. So everybody's been in the feudal system because it's a silent contract. But he doesn't see that and recognize it, so he comes to the wrong conclusion.   I'm not gonna fight and argue with him on the air.  



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Right up front there, it says born,   subject to, and reside.  

[02:07:55] Unknown:

Yeah.   Well, it says not reside   in the state wherein they reside. So you're still a state citizen,   but you're a state citizen under the fourteenth amendment,   which means you reside under the laws of Washington DC as a federal citizen.   But they call you a state citizen if you say it's okay.   Just to tell us that the laws of Washington DC govern you. Okay.   Like the like the what we've discussed all day today and recently the IRS.   Well, I throw this out there. The Internal Revenue Code, title 26,   it was never   passed by the senate   nor was it signed by the president.  

Like a law's got to be, it was passed by the house because the house has exclusive jurisdiction   over DC.   The federal government was bankrupted   in the bond market,   and everything reverts back to the federal government under bankruptcy.   And you're telling them that you're part of that   by declaring a residency. Otherwise, it wouldn't apply to you.   So that's what's going on. I'm sorry. It's complex.   Roger. It's Saturday. Have you   yes. Yes, Larry.  

[02:09:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Sorry. A real quick comment.   I think Brent only sees one side of the coin,   because he isn't he isn't wrong about   all of the, federal citizens that the fourteenth amendment was created for are dead. He just sees one side of the coin because he doesn't see what you teach that you can actually volunteer   back into being a federal citizen. Right. And the other thing is Or,  

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or let me just say an addendum to that, and we're like Robert Barnes   with a smile on his face. The fourteenth amendment was the great equalizer.   Well, he's right. It equalized us all down into Jim Crow.  

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Right. And then getting back to a resident that Samuel was talking about,   I've read a lot of state statutes and codes,   especially the tax codes   from different states. And that term resident is still being used in the geographical,   sense.   I understand. You gotta look at the definitions.   Like, for example, real quick,   like, they have special deals for   Florida residents   to get, you know, special deals to go to to, Disney World or Disneyland or whatever that is down here. I've never been to it. Right. But, they're referring to it in a geographical sense, not a political.  

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They presume it.  

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It's presumed to be under the geographical   definition.   Again, presumption,   evidence, Georgia   code annotated,   whatever the driving section is, a resident, somebody who's been in the state more than sixty days or what a what a, then there's another paragraph   underneath that that gives another type of way to look at it. And then there's a one sentence underneath that, and it says the term resident is a rebuttable presumption.  

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Hey, Roger. Hey, Roger. Hey, Roger. Waheed. Yes. Waheed. What else are you doing? What's the deal with these trade sanctions?   Do you think we need to stock up on groceries?  

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Well, I'd say you can always count on why   Oh, oh, oh, did I? You can always count on Waheed, can't you?  

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Here he comes to wreck the day.  

[02:11:36] Unknown:

I'm glad we have gave you enough time to set that up, Paul.  

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Well, I was This is an interesting  

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clip that,   that is not evidently,   yesterday,   Owens up doing a speech in Spokane, Washington. And so,   Harrison took his spot yesterday,   and he was showing some clips, and he made the comment. Said this isn't even hardly reaching reach an alternative media,   and it's not certainly not reaching reaching mainstream media.   China   is just about to go crazy. They've declared that all these companies,   they've declared a holiday,   and a bunch of people haven't been paid. There were demonstrations   with hundreds in front of some company, and they hadn't gotten a paycheck since January.   And all these companies are not getting orders anymore, and they can't pay the employees, and they're having to work a minimum, minimum, minimum hours, not even enough to survive or us just tell them they're gonna pay them later, the orders are not coming in.  

China is about to implode from the bottom level,   and nobody's talking about it. He showed a bunch of clips of it. He's on the yesterday show if you wanna go back and look at it. But,   pay attention to that. The the tariffs let me tell you what's happening. It's why he Trump's winning.   You got the other day, a bunch of international businessmen, CEOs in the White Oval Office there, and they publicly   pledged over $9,000,000,000,000   of investment   into The US.   All the countries of the world are coming up to Trump and wanting to negotiate and cut a deal. And probably nobody's going to China   except now probably Canada   with Mark Carney since he got elected Monday. They'll probably belly up to him there, which is a big threat to us because we've been looking at the southern border and not to our friends up north. Well, that border in essence is wide open.  

That fit all labs and all kind yes. I get you. All kinds of stuff sitting up there in Canada.   So,   it's gonna be very interesting, but Trump is winning now. It appears on the tariffs pretty you know that last month,   how many new jobs? Samuel, did you hear this? How many new jobs were added last month?   A 77,000.   They were only projecting a 33,000.  

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Everything's getting robust. Remember David Stockman. What he's gonna have to do?  

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Hold on while he even worked. Samuel's   got something to add. Yes. I remember David Stockman.  

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He was the youngest guy on the Reagan administration,   and he he was the mover and shaker of Reaganomics,   which he totally thinks was BS,   as he's gotten older. But   he's come out and said, this is really, he's still blogging. This is still not about tariffs.   He says, this is what it's about.   He says, in United States,   it takes $34   or more an hour   to produce   the same thing that it does in China   and that the government   gives   and this is this is equal money. This is their money versus our money   in equity, not   that there's a difference in the rate of change   exchange.  

But and then he says, and also per capita,   the Chinese government gives their people $1,200   a year,   in in call it welfare. Right?   And The United States, on average, gives 12,000.   So which is the communist country?   It's sort of what he was pointing out. And this is why we can't survive is because we have a welfare state.  

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And you can't have a welfare state and an open border at the same time.  

[02:15:41] Unknown:

And, Roger, that was the point I was gonna make. These deportations,   he's gonna have to, up the ante on these up the ante on these deportations.   It's still just   still too way too many of these people that were let in during the   the Obama not the Obama. The,   the prior the Harrison administration,   the Joe Biden Harrison administration.   All they let in between five and six. Harris.   Harris. Harrison Biden.  

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Yes. And guess what? They're gonna run her for your next governor out there. Why? If it appears,   you ought to be thrilled.  

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I think it's gonna  

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I think it's gonna work it's gonna work out well well in our favor is my prediction. I think Trump's making the right moves. Maybe painful for a while. It's a big switch,   but, I believe we'll come out on top and that things will be better. Don't know how long that will take necessarily.   So Roger. Who else yeah. Yes. Yes.  

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It's Larry.   So it's a good thing that Trump is creating all these jobs because   at least there'll be there'll be a job for these 20,000   city workers in Los Angeles to go to.  

[02:17:05] Unknown:

Okay. Well, I'm not sure what that means, but okay.  

[02:17:08] Unknown:

Well, the city of Los Angeles is potentially gonna lay off 20,000   city workers   because of the, the deficit and the, you know,   the the,   they're really bank they're going bankrupt.  

[02:17:22] Unknown:

Oh, they've been bankrupt for a long time. Are you kidding me? It's just now starting to show up. That's what's happening.   They're having to deal with it.   K?   So, anyway, we'll see. Anybody else got anything for me of any importance, please? Yeah. Record. Otherwise, I'm gonna have a short weekend. Yes. Go ahead. Was that Mark? Just real quick.  

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There's a a YouTube channel that I like called the Poplar   Report, p o p l a r, Report.   And they just broke some news here about a day ago about China   has started buying up record amounts of petroleum.   And just and and they there's no explanation of why they're needing this much oil.   It's like the most they've purchased in over fifteen years,   and because their their   manufacturing is slowing down   Yes. They're they're in trouble. They're in big trouble. Big trouble.  

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And and When I saw yesterday,   those videos of these people for where we haven't been paid since January. We're we're we need to be paid. She goes, I got 200 rim today. I can't even buy food for a week on that and, you know, bunch of stuff like that. They're in big trouble already. Go ahead. Yeah.  

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They got people sleeping on the streets now that become homeless.   Just unbelievable.  

[02:18:46] Unknown:

Mark, if there's a war in The Middle East, that gold that that oil will become like gold. Yes. Exactly. The and they filled up their their reserves.  

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I don't know if the if The US has done that. You know, Biden sold off all our oil reserves to keep the price of gasoline down so that he would have a shot at getting elected.   And that worked the first time around, and all I'm thinking is we're gonna pay a higher price to replace that reserve.   No telling how long that oil reserve is in there. Of course.   You know, and and we I'm sure we bought it at at a a way lower price.   Absolutely. Check this out.   Now check this out. You know, China's been buying gold like like nobody's business.   All the governments,   the ultra wealthy, and the banks have been buying gold like crazy.  



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Yep.  

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China sold a million   ounces of gold   in one shot  

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China did. The other day. China did. They don't sell gold. They   sold it. They don't generally do not let it out of their possession or their country. Who'd they sell it to?  

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I don't they didn't know, but I think they just put it out on the open market. Now check this out.   If you flooded   a million ounces of gold into the marketplace,   could that and I'm I'm just asking now.   Could could that drop the price of gold where you could turn right around and buy more of it up   at that lower price?  

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Well, they play that all the time. It's just not with physical   metal. It's with futures naked shorts. Right. That's the game. Dump.  

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Yeah. So, anyway,  

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I put the link Did you know they discovered  

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Mark, you know they discovered the largest   gold vein in in the world, China?  

[02:20:39] Unknown:

No. I didn't know that. It's worth the $82,000,000,000.  

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It's one of these big open score I guess you call it plaster mine, you know, where they have those huge trucks and big circles that go down. Yep. But the reason that's even more fascinating   is they were comparing it to the March   we've given to Ukraine.  

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Wow. Right. Right.  

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Anyway, I did put a link in the FCC   or pre conference call chat.   I also put it out on   the number two, numeral two, radio ranch dot chitango   dot com.   So I put a couple of links out there   today, this morning while we're on the show. But if you wanna read that or watch that popular report,   the title of it is alert   colon   something just broke.   And that's referring to China and it's pretty shocking. And then, of course,   the potential   ramifications   well, I just heard yesterday night or last night, excuse me, yesterday evening   on the on the,   world news   that China stopped   all the shipments   of TEMU, which is the Chinese version of Amazon,   but a whole lot cheaper   if you're willing to wait two weeks, three weeks to get your product.  

And China, because of the threat of tariffs, has just stopped,   exporting any of those products for Timo into The United States.   And that's huge. That's really big.   Got it. So, anyway, I yield.  

[02:22:23] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you, Mark. Go ahead, Paul.  

[02:22:26] Unknown:

My takeaway from China buying up, tons of petroleum and oil   because,   China's in the pocket of the globalists,   they know   something is gonna happen   because they're probably gonna make it happen, and they don't wanna get caught in the lurch when the price goes up.  

[02:22:48] Unknown:

Well, they're not quite as close as they used to be. When China changed the one child policy, which is a bunch of their problems right now, they don't have the upcoming,   population   demand a bunch of factories   because of that one child policy.   Yet the globalists and Soros   don't want any more population.   And when China upped that to three as they did a couple years ago, that started to split with them. Now they're having to work together now, but they ain't close asshole buddies anymore.  

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Well, that's a today problem.   That's not a ten year problem.   Working with the globalist is a ten year problem.   The fact that they undid their one child policy, that's a today problem. The globalists can overlook that for now. They have bigger goals. They're having more of enforced towards you guys. Just hold on. To  

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stop interrupting.   Lee, that the globalists are well aware of that. I don't think they're as tight. They're having to rely on some of it. And especially now, because what's Trump doing? Trump's going down and putting their ancient enemy, India,   and with their mammoth population   and and replace China with India. And then ship it right up through the Gulf Of The Red Sea, Gaza, and make that the one way belt road to The US and Europe.   Okay. Jack Joe. Think it was Joe who was trying to say something. It was Joe. Yes. I was. Julie Yes, sir. And then Waheed. And you guys just don't want me to have a damn weekend, do you? Go ahead.  

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Just a quick side note, something to chew on.   I know most people in this forum do not like   glyphosate,   but   think about this. It's a widely used, and I mean a heavily widely used herbicide   throughout the world,   and China manufactures   over 90%   of the technical material.  

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Yeah.  

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Chew on that.   Well And we are seeing our   agricultural prices   for drop precipitously.   So just something to think  

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about. Yep. But, also, China threw one of the,   whatever his name is, closest to cabinet ministers,   and they're having side negotiations   on cutting China's,   production and supply   of the precursor chemicals   for,   what the hell is the drug that's killing everybody? Formaldehyde,   whatever it is. Fentanyl.   Julie. Fentanyl.   Yes. I'll get you hold on, Waebe. I'm ready to get you. Women are gonna go first around here.   Yes. Yes, Julie.  

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Hey. Yeah. I just wanted to, remark on what Mark said because,   yes.   President Trump did say thirty years of selling out American workers ends now.   And right now China is bleeding and   the tariffs,   they have factories shutting down and they have ships that are idle in port. They have they have stockpiles of steel and warehouses that are not being,   shipped out and I feel bad for the,   the people of China because they're the innocent victims like We The People are here and around the world. But the other thing that I reported on yesterday with that gentleman named Josh Reed on ninoscorner.tv,   you know, they're targeting Iran right now. The United States is sending the bombs to   Israel that are bombing   those all those bombs and fires in, Iran are to take down China because China's not gonna have the weaponry   for any of their bombs or their ballistic missiles because they get all of that from,   Iran and we just blew that up. And then also they're targeting though so that they can't ship oil to China that's going to force China to go to OPEC and then there'll be Trump will put sanctions   on   China since he's got all the OPEC countries in the back of his pocket again. And China will be even bigger trouble. I think that's why they're stockpiling   oil and natural gas and they're getting a lot of their natural gas right now from Russia  

[02:27:10] Unknown:

And they're also getting oil from Canada and other places to stockpile it. Yeah. That's what I'd expect. Well, especially since Carney got elected Monday, that will increase the you know, they they said it about Russia jokingly. It's a a country that masquerades as a gas station. Well, that's kinda Canada too. K?   Especially with their unbelievably   high Chinese population in Vancouver   over on the Western Side. Wahid, what did you wanna say?  

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Thank you. You mentioned you you mentioned Pakistan and India. What do you think of the Pakistan Kashmir India situation?  

[02:27:46] Unknown:

Well, I have everybody. It's not what I think. Everybody thinks that may be the trigger point of World War three.   And   the other day, Modi gave his generals,   the the power to release nuclear weapons. The it'll Thursday or Friday of this week. It's a high, hot trigger point. They've been hated each other for a long time,   and,   is nothing new.   I think it's real dangerous.   Okay. Who else?  

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Roger. Charlie, I had a chart.  

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Oh, oh, god. Okay. Comment while he then we got somebody else that said Roger.  

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What about these empty cities? China has all these empty cities, these Ghost cities. These cities. They've Ghost  

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ghost cities.   They and they're with tofu buildings.   You know what tofu buildings are?   Not no. No. Not necessarily. Well, that's where you got a concrete wall, and you can go press your frame finger in it and and press your fingers and scratch through the concrete.   Okay?   And that's because of the way they do business over there. Their biggest real estate company,   Evergrande,   has gone bankrupt.   They are not paying any foreign investors.   And if you're a Chinese investor,   you you might get 10¢ on the dollar.   No foreign investors will be paid. It's one of the largest real estate companies in the world.   That that's been that's been going on for a couple of years. Nothing new there.  



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Okay. Who else? Have a good time for buildings that are empty is because they're not safe for occupancy.  

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I don't don't know all the ramifications   could be. You know?   But I just know what is, and it it ain't good.  

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Yes. Who else was there, please? One quick comment. Oh, question. Okay, sir.   Would you would you care to comment, Roger,   on the how much the bond market the Chinese owns   of The US?  

[02:29:56] Unknown:

Well, you know yeah. I I I last I heard, we owed them go ahead.  

[02:30:02] Unknown:

Well,  

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you go ahead and comment. I was just saying, last I heard a figure, we owed them $1,200,000,000,000,   and they owed us 20,000   bondholders   from that that that,   Woodrow Wilson letter. Oh, they owed us or   we they owed us 1,700,000,000,000.0.   That's what I'm saying. I saw the woman that runs the organization   being interviewed by that kid Phillips. That's the, the the the Epoch Times lead kid.   Twice, I saw her interviewed, and she said, I have met with president Trump about this. He knows about this. Trump and Nut has got that information.   No matter what we owe the Chinese, they owe us more just from those 20,000 bondholders.  

And all Trump has to do Thank you. Is all he has to do, Joe, it because they're never gonna get a penny out of China. Been over a hundred years. They hadn't gotten a penny. I don't think they're gonna get anything out of it. K? So Trump could go buy and pay them five to 10% on the dollar   of that. Otherwise, it just found money for them and buy those bonds   and feed them back to China   as our bond payments to them.   As our payments on our debt, just feed them their debt, and we still come out the 500,000,000,000   a head.  

Trump knows about it. Alright?   Love it. We'll see. If he ever plays that that card, I hate pardon the pun, that Trump card. Yes, sir.  

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Roger, this is Jesse.  

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You know those, grocery stores, like, sort of like seven eleven Argentina?   They were owned,   all Chinese, and I'm talking about even fifteen years ago. Oh,   all the mining  

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Yep. They got a Bank of China,   on every block. A huge building in in Buenos Aires. Yep.  

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You know what I'm talking about. And the miners,   a lot of mining of all types   in the Andes from Argentina, Chile,   they have a basis,   in every Central American country,   Nicaragua,   the Panama Canal. The the thing people don't understand   is   we've been in war for a long time with them. They were using us, and we were using them. And I mean, them and us, I mean, the government. And now they're putting a stop to it. Because in every cent Central America and South America,   they've been,   populating with Chinese,   making their own towns and cities, including Canada, including Mexico.   And,   so they went they came to our own backyard.  

And, and and the United States government are getting a little bit scared about that because   sooner or later, with all the people they have, they have more people. They could, replace every population in Central, South America, Canada, and they still have leftovers.   And, so this is not just, throwing little bombs here and there. Like, Iran,   they, they created a circle with,   Russia,   Iran, and, China, and they're trying to cut off. And who's the weakest of all three? Iran.   So, this is much bigger. They're surrounding them. They're surrounding the, China It's,  

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in in in black air and water.  

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It's just an incredible   geopolitical   situation.   We'll see how it prevails.   K? But right now, I'm gonna go start the weekend,   and I'll see you guys on Monday. K?   Thanks, Tom. Good to hear you on here, and come back on Saturdays when you're not maybe so busy. And,   anybody else, I hope you, took something away. We had, what, 57 people in the forum today. That's good. And if you're new and still hanging around,   when you get to questions, pipe up. We're not gonna bite. Yes, Paul.  

[02:33:58] Unknown:

Before you leave, I got one more drop in. I'm Brent, and I approve this message.  

[02:34:06] Unknown:

Oh, Brent. Oh, Brent. What a guy.   Thank you, Paul.   Okay. So nobody's got anything else for me. I'm gonna dart off into the clouds that are building, unfortunately,   start my very abbreviated weekend of which will include Julie a   seventh game in the Stanley Cup round between Colorado and Dallas   this evening.   So, anyway, we'll, see you guys on the line. Roger.   Yeah. I saw that. Now. Yeah. So,   we'll at least include a little hockey, this weekend and no telling what else. I'll see y'all on Monday. We'll see what develops. There's a lot of stuff similar and under, and next week ought to be a stem winder. K? Thank you, Roger.   Well, take it to stride. You're welcome. Miss Julie, thank you. Thank you. And as we say in South America,   to   you.  

Ciao.  

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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.