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On this Saturday replay of Radio Ranch (originally aired June 7, 2025), I walk callers through the thorny “U.S. citizen vs. U.S. national” debate and why, in our view, intent, affidavits, and rebutting presumptions are the crux of personal political self‑determination. We dig into jurisdiction through the lens of allegiance, discuss how agency policy and passports intersect with status, and reference case law often ignored in modern curricula. Several listeners share practical experiences—from filing notices and using jurats to purchasing firearms and dealing with traffic stops—while we contrast positive law with administrative policy and explore how to communicate with skeptical attorneys using primary sources. You’ll hear an extended round‑table on historical through‑lines (feudal concepts, the Nationality Act of 1940, Brown v. Board, and more), a walkthrough of 28 U.S.C. § 1746 “within/without” jurats, and suggested ways to present evidence (State Department materials, INA excerpts, and Supreme Court decisions). We close with action items: focus on primary sources, document intent clearly, and serve notices deliberately. Forward‑looking, freedom‑focused, and caller‑driven—this one’s built to re‑listen and study.

• U.S. Department of State — Certificate of Non‑Citizen Nationality: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/certificate-of-non-citizen-nationality.html
• Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) — USCIS overview and text: https://www.uscis.gov/laws-and-policy/immigration-and-nationality-act
• INA §308 — Nationals but not citizens of the United States at birth (USCIS): https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-7-part-o-chapter-3
• 28 U.S.C. § 1746 — Unsworn declarations under penalty of perjury (LII/Cornell): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1746
• UCC § 9‑307(h) — Location of debtor; United States located in the District of Columbia (LII/Cornell): https://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/9/9-307
• Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875) — U.S. Supreme Court (Justia): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/88/162/
• United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) — U.S. Supreme Court (LII/Cornell): https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/169/649
• Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967) — U.S. Supreme Court (Justia): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/387/253/
• Plessy v. Ferguson, 163 U.S. 537 (1896) — U.S. Supreme Court (LII/Cornell): https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/163/537
• Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954) — U.S. Supreme Court (LII/Cornell): https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/347/483
• Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969) — U.S. Supreme Court (Justia): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/618/
• Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943) — U.S. Supreme Court (LII/Cornell): https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/319/105
• Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, 394 U.S. 147 (1969) — U.S. Supreme Court (Justia): https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/147/
• Trading with the Enemy Act — 12 U.S.C. § 95a (LII/Cornell): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/95a
• Vattel — The Law of Nations (Yale Avalon Project): https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/vattel.asp
• Google Scholar — Case law search: https://scholar.google.com/
• U.S. Department of State — U.S. Passports: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports.html
• United States Postal Service — Registered Mail: https://www.usps.com/ship/insurance-extra-services.htm#registeredmail
• GunBroker — Online firearms marketplace (FFL transfer required): https://www.gunbroker.com/
• Euro Folk Radio: https://eurofolkradio.com/
• Global Voice Radio Network (Radio Ranch mirror stream): https://radio.globalvoiceradio.net/
• FreeConferenceCall — conferencing platform referenced on‑air: https://www.freeconferencecall.com/

[00:00:16] Unknown:

Well,   welcome   to the Radio Ranch replay.   This is a Sabado edition,   but Roger's not with us today. So this is the Radio Ranch replay of   the,   06/07/2025   Radio Ranch one zero one program. Your rights, the national versus   US citizen   debates.   And here we go. Forward moving and focused on freedom. You're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.   This mirror Stream is brought to you in part by mymytoboost.com   for support of the mitochondria like never before. A body trying to function with sluggish mitochondria   is kinda like running an engine that's low on oil. It's not gonna work very well. It's also brought to you by PhatPhix,   phatphix,.com,   and also Itera Planet for the terahertz frequency wand by Preif International. That's iteraplanet.com.  

Thank you, and welcome to the program.  

[00:02:21] Unknown:

Alrighty.   We we wanna change it. We wanna change it so bad. We're working on Saturday.   So here we go on the, Saturday edition of the,   Radio Ranch Roger Sales. And it's for those new folks out there that may be gainfully employed   and have a day off on Saturday and questions   that they just can't wait to ask, we're here for you.   So, it's the June 7, and, we probably got the light compliment today. Oh, yes. I would imagine Paul. Is that correct? Yeah. It's very, very light. We're on eurofolkradio.com.  

[00:02:55] Unknown:

Thanks to pastor Eli James.   We're on Global Voice Radio Network. That's My Pet Project radio.globalvoiceradio.net.   And, we're connected to free conference call with a thousand seats,   links to FCC,   Global Voice, and Eurofoker on our website,   thematrixstocks.com.   We don't have,   any need to stop   midway   at the, top of the end of the first hour,   because   WBOU is not with us today. So Alright.  

[00:03:31] Unknown:

So,   they're not usually they're not with us on Saturday usually. No. Not usually.   Alright.   You know, it's interesting. I was just thinking before the show, it's, kinda surprising   that we haven't had more, David Strait refugees.   I would have thought the people that followed him might be looking for another source   and stumble upon us here. We could see if we could straighten them out a little bit, but I don't believe we've had any of those, have we?  

[00:04:00] Unknown:

I don't know. I think they I think they keep their   their people pretty tightly controlled.  

[00:04:07] Unknown:

Well, they don't have a leader.   Okay. Well, maybe they're all switching over to that other guy.  

[00:04:13] Unknown:

Okay. Yeah. But just like, you know, old man Rothschild, I mean, he died, but still the crap keeps on coming.   You know, there's the underlings, the foot soldiers.  

[00:04:26] Unknown:

Could be. Could be. Well, anyway, just a thought that crossed my mind here. Saturday, it looks beautiful.   We had a little,   almost like a wintery day yesterday.   Cool last night, but we got nice sunshine this morning.   Well, excuse me. So,   anyway, I slept in just a little bit   this morning, so I'm a bit behind the eight ball. We've had some,   interesting new folks on here lately. We had Josh on yesterday, the   Christy's friend,   and hear his story. And,   I don't know if he's back with us today or not, but he's   a very,   he's a he's a immersed himself in. He was a graduate of George Gordon   that would tell me that he's got some pretty firm footing,   and foundations. Although George you know, once again, George didn't understand that he did not incorporate the feudal system into what he did. And, again, if you don't   as Glenn said so accurately, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system, you'll,   for the most part, never do anything but,   a shadow box with it. I believe we've seen that evidence.  

So,   anyway, let's see. Was there anybody any new folks out there that might have a question or comment this morning? Start us off.   If you would, just unmute and,   give us, give us your name. We'd love to have a conversation with you here on Saturday morning if it's not too early for you.   So anybody like that out there in the audience today?   Hey,   Roger. Of that. Well, there's somebody right there. See? Yes, sir?  

[00:06:09] Unknown:

Roger, this is Tom in Los Angeles.  

[00:06:12] Unknown:

Hello, Tom. How are you doing?  

[00:06:15] Unknown:

I'm doing well. We've we've talked a couple of times. I just,   I I filed my paperwork, and I'm still   trying to learn and trying to, get my understanding to a place where I can teach it to other people.   Okay. And I just have a quick question for you. Okay. Great, Tom. We'll,  

[00:06:33] Unknown:

whip it on us.  

[00:06:36] Unknown:

The first one is   when you what why do you say it's my intention to be a national and not a citizen of The United States   versus saying I am a national?   And then I could  

[00:06:48] Unknown:

Well, either one of those, you're not gonna get any word specific stuff in here,   that they're gonna say, no, you use that word. That's not right. Well, it's your intent. I wanna be a national. My intention is to be a national, and that's why you're sending in that affidavit, isn't   it?  

[00:07:05] Unknown:

Well, I thought I I don't really know, like, legal,   language, but  

[00:07:10] Unknown:

Well, you're not supposed to be held the legal language. You're you're called a national.   Well, you're you're not a lawyer. You're not held the legal language. You're a civilian.   Yes.   Okay. So that's one thing.  

[00:07:29] Unknown:

But, yeah, I just I just was curious, like, to my intention seems like it's not   actualized.  

[00:07:35] Unknown:

Well, it is when you're sending in the affidavit.   So you're making an official statement. You couldn't go into court and go, I'm a national. There that's not gonna make any difference because you can't you haven't done it the right way from the top down. You can't do it from the bottom up.   So your intent and desire, you wanna be a national, you want them to recognize that your intent   is to finalize it and official   their way of only recognition   is to put some kind of a statement that rebuts the presumption. So here's where the language thing comes in. It doesn't matter what you say as long as you rebut the presumption   that you've answered those questions and agreed with their fraud your whole life.  

So see, you're it's that's where the rubber meets the road right there.   Coming. Here here's the other here here's the other side of it. You could go on the one page on the,   state department website, travel.state.gov,   and go there to the certificate of noncitizen   nationality. And down at the bottom is a one sentence   disclaimer. Well, it says it's for Northern Mariana, whatever, but it just says, I, Tom from California,   do,   solemnly swear   that and I was like,   I'm a national and not a citizen of The United States. Well, it's very definitive there. Okay?   But that's just one sentence can   can wipe away all of this.  

So it's not what you say necessarily   as long as it rebuts the presumption you've agreed with your whole life.   That's the way I understand that. Gotcha.  

[00:09:15] Unknown:

Okay.   Okay?  

[00:09:17] Unknown:

Yes. Paul?  

[00:09:20] Unknown:

An affidavit is a statement of fact.   It is a sworn   statement of fact.   Your intent   to be a national   is a fact   that you were putting forward.  

[00:09:34] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:09:35] Unknown:

So   if you claim yourself to be a national, I you know, I am a national and not a citizen of The United States,   that puts forth a presumption that can be that could be rebutted,   but there's no way they can rebut your intent. No. Correct. No. You know,  

[00:09:57] Unknown:

also we used to approach this differently, Tom,   from a black and a white issue.   And,   so we would say in the old affidavit that John Glenn wrote up that I used for many years is my parents were white from time out of mind, etcetera, etcetera.   So   what you're doing there is you're inferring that you're not in the black   federal citizenship category. Okay. Because we used to think it was either or back then.   But there there's another way of putting it as I that way I am not this.   So you're really putting up them,   situation   where they have to they have to go after,   a negative. They have to disprove a negative, and it's almost impossible to disprove a negative, but they never objected to that either.  

So it it all all and that's as I've realized it as I've gotten deeper into it and thought this through more over the years that   the whole thing runs on presumption.   And it's that presumption that, a, we had a presumption of law   is a presumption   based upon another fact. That's the legal definition.   So what they've done is they went in and back a 100, almost a hundred years ago,   and they pulled this bankruptcy off in the bond market.   K?   And so then under that presumption that there's a bankruptcy in the bond market, and here's the status   where they had set up where people, they have an object of property right in them, and they just moved everybody into that.  

And they never asked you permission, and they never told you they were doing it. And because the feudal system's hidden underneath it, you've got this generational contract from from whoever your lineage was at that point when they got put into it than when they started having children. Through the generations, they've all been born into it. Now they come and ask you the question,   are you this? Are you this? And you say yes, being, a fool and this being fraud and sign something. Well, that gives them in their minds remember, they don't think like we do.   And in their minds, that gives them plausible deniability.  

K?   So as long as you're answering those questions and signing something, man, hey. Hey. Hell, Tom. I ought to know what he is.   Ignorance of the law is no excuse.   You answered a yes and signed it. I didn't hold a gun at your head to do it. So there's your voluntary   servitude,   and you're going in and rebutting that presumption that you've done that erroneously   all your life, your adult life. And what you're really doing underneath   is you're presenting them with their fraud. And because fraud vitiates any contract, this is a contract,   although   one people never seen before, didn't know about, and it vitiates that ab initio or from the beginning. So that's why they've got to recognize this. K?  

But that's really what you're doing. It's not the language. It's not I'm pro pay, pro persona,   impoverished, and everything else. It's just that you're rebutting this presumption that's based on fraud, and now they gotta recognize it.   If they don't, there's one other option for them. They take the mask off and be open tyrants. They were close to that during the Biden administration,   and that's how they like to operate. They want you confused. They want you to think they've got all this power that you've erroneously given them fraudulently.   And so that's why they have to recognize that we've got these son bitches in the damn corner, man.  



[00:13:40] Unknown:

Yeah. It's it it definitely seems like that.   Now I, I have a friend   who's very intelligent   and a very successful lawyer,  

[00:13:50] Unknown:

And Yeah. He is horrified. He thinks you're he's kind of He thinks you're crazy.  

[00:13:57] Unknown:

Yeah.   Very crazy. And I said, well, this is a perfect opportunity. If if if I can't put it in writing and and this and lay out the logic and lay out the evidence,   if he is reasonable,   that, you know, we we I should be able to do that. And so I read the, the handbook twice, which I feel like that citizen's handbook is a very good logical  

[00:14:18] Unknown:

Yeah. Yes. Presentation  

[00:14:20] Unknown:

of of the path.   It's just a little bit too long. I can't sit him down and make him read the whole thing. So I'm trying to Right.  

[00:14:27] Unknown:

Okay. Well, let me see if I can give you for me. Let me give you another approach. Why don't you go to that website that we talked about just a second ago   and ask him I'm there right now. Yet   about in that whichever one you choose on that certificate of non citizen nationality,   There's some of them it's it's the second paragraph. Some of them, it's the third. So I don't know which version you're looking at, but if you'll look at the second or the third paragraph in that,   it's a policy statement from the state department.   Now what it is, let me tell you, have you read through that or you've heard us discuss this before? Yes.  

Yes. Well, then you're a little bit ahead of the game. You know, the paragraph we're looking for, it says according to the INA,   that's the Immigration Naturalization Act. It's been kicked around quite a bit here lately. According to the INA,   all ALL   US citizens are US nationals,   but   only a few nationals. Now we get to the American Samoans   are not US citizens.   So   they say in an official policy statement   from the state department   that   a US citizen and a US national are the same thing, don't they?   All US citizens are US nationals. Aren't they saying they're the same thing?  

[00:15:58] Unknown:

Yes.  

[00:16:00] Unknown:

And then it differentiates the the American Samoans after that. Well, does the state department, policy department, do they not know what the hell they're talking about?  

[00:16:13] Unknown:

Yeah. It's a very interesting paragraph. I'm looking at it right now.  

[00:16:16] Unknown:

Okay. Now the rest of that   policy statement, this is the deal. They say, well, we keep getting these requests for this non citizen nationality thing. And,   you know, Tom, the, cost of paper and ink has become so absorbent that we just don't issue those anymore.   We can give 360,000,000,000   to the Ukrainians,   but we can't afford this little certificate here for you. So we're just asking you to go get a passport.   And if an American Samoan gets a passport   in the visa section on the first page,   there's a big black stamp that says this person's not a citizen of The United States.   Mhmm. Ours ours are the have you got your passport back yet?  



[00:17:02] Unknown:

No. I sent in,   my DS82,   last week.  

[00:17:07] Unknown:

Okay. Well, when you get it back, yours will not have that in there.   Right. K. Now go down to the bottom and it goes through and tells them get a passport. Then they go underneath that and they break down some sections of the INA.   And about the third paragraph   so one of them says in three zero eight, I believe,   and it makes one simple statement.   A national owes total allegiance to a small less state.   Mhmm.   K. Now with that with a keyword there, there's a couple of keywords,   national,   allegiance,   and small less state.   Mhmm. So a national is total allegiance.  

Have you gotten to the point and you could ask your high end lawyer? And these are just concepts they don't teach in law schools anymore. So if he doesn't know it,   it it's par for the course. Alright?   The formula for jurisdiction   keys on that word allegiance,   And it's from the feudal system,   and it goes back to the time when the feudal system started and people were looking for protection,   and the land owners were looking for protection also. But if they were gonna have somebody there, they wanted allegiance.   So it's this formula,   allegiance for protection,   protection for allegiance.  

It's automatic   and it's reciprocal,   which means even in that one sentence right there, and I can tell you show you where it comes from too.  

[00:18:38] Unknown:

The word allegiance on the table. Find where  

[00:18:42] Unknown:

sorry. Where you said jurisdiction is tied to allegiance and and which is tied to Well, this is Where can I go back? Your well, your your your, friend is a high end lawyer. He's no doubt got Westlaw on NexSys and Lexus and stuff, and he can go look it up. There was a case. Mark, Mark, you with us today?   Mark found a case that's got it in there. Yeah. But that is this is the are you there, Mark?  

[00:19:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Barely.  

[00:19:10] Unknown:

If you'll give me a couple of seconds, I'm trying to get Okay. Well alright. Okay. Get Run a little Go get  

[00:19:16] Unknown:

I'm gonna go get a cup of coffee. We'll we'll we're here for two hours. We'll go go get your eyes open, come back, and we can feed Tom this information.   But it comes from the feudal system.   The reason, Tom, that I've been successful at this that nobody else has been   is because my teacher was John w Benson,   a man who loved the law and studied the law his whole life.   And so   that's where all these things come from that none of these lawyers and judges know. Like, you could ask, here, ask your friend this.   What's the legal concept behind the meaning of the word person?  

Ask him that.  

[00:20:00] Unknown:

I'll ask him. What what I appreciated about him when we were talking yesterday is he said it's it's all patriot mythology. You need to be really careful. No. It's not. No. It's not. And I said, but and I said we were talking about resident and citizen, and I said, but the legal definition of resident   is based on jurisdiction.   And he said,   oh, you know, BS. And then he looked it up and he goes, oh, my gosh.   So I feel like if I can if I can state the case with evidence, like citing   all the evidence and all the definitions, I think he can he could appreciate it.  

[00:20:34] Unknown:

Well,   some some may and some may not. Jurisdiction definition would be great.   Okay. Well, I don't know if you're ever gonna see it hammered out just like that. Maybe we could find it, but the problem is here's the problem that we're, we're facing.   In,   that book, the   31 collective speeches of Louis G. McFadden.   I know you haven't had a chance to read that. Probably don't even know who Louis G. McFadden was. Right?  

[00:21:05] Unknown:

I've heard you mention him. Yeah. He was the guy who was,   a senator, I believe, and he was He was on the banking side. He knew all about the Federal Reserve.  

[00:21:14] Unknown:

Well, he was a federal banker from, I think, the Northeast Part Of Pennsylvania was his district. He was a very unusual. He wasn't a politician. This guy is a statesman. Okay?   And, in fact, the last time that he got elected,   he was nominated   in his district by the Republicans,   the Democrats,   and the populous party. All three pop all three parties   nominated the same guy. Is that unusual?  

[00:21:41] Unknown:

Right. And it was he was he murdered?  

[00:21:44] Unknown:

Yes.   The fourth time.   And, he was a banker, worked his way up to the president of the bank, and then decided to run to Congress back in about   sixteen nineteen sixteen, somewhere along in there, from the minute he got elected   because the house back then had a banking committee.   They,   the people should have a banking committee in their house, shouldn't they?   And, they put him as president, head of that committee, and when he was and he was that way till they killed him in the thirties.   Yeah. But,   Lewis t McFadden,   I know it's not said where was I going with this?  

You get in. I wanna give you a background so this is what I'm gonna tell you, and then I forget what I'm gonna tell you. Anyway,   McFadden's,   McFadden's   speeches there are from the house. You can hear applause, applause, applause. One of his famous speeches is Yeah. The Jews have all the gold and the Gentiles have all the paper.   And,   he made some real interest. I read that book because one of the early books I read, it went way over my head,   because there's a lot of technical stuff in there. But, but I remembered a lot of it and I incorporated   a lot of it in my book,   actually.  

And,   McFadden,   what was I gonna tell you? It's so important about him.   Ted's coming. I maybe it'll come back to me in a second. But anyway, that book is I'm the biggest victim thing. I do have a Oh, no. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. In that book, he talks in one of his speeches,   he talks about how the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools   moved their annual convention   to Chicago   on New Year's Eve.   I think so. I'm sure it's the only time they've ever done it.   And,   so that a little dude named Jacob Frank   from the Department of Agriculture   could come and give a speech called experimental   jurisprudence   and the new deal.  

And he referred to it in one of his speeches in Congress. So I went and looked it up, and I was doing shows with Al Attis back then. You probably don't know who he is,   but, Al,   I I sent Al that,   that speech, and he came back and said, that's a damn   that's the the most damning piece of government   paper I've ever seen.   So we know that they have got the power through the American Association of Colleges and Law Schools to move their annual convention to Chicago on New Year's Eve.   Why why would they do that? So that nobody would hear that speech, but they could say they gave the speech. So that tells you that the American   Association of Colleges and Law Schools has already infiltrated,   doesn't it? Do you think that they make control curriculum in law schools?  

Yeah.   Yeah. Okay. So when your friend can't tell you   what the legal concept is behind the word person,   that's wise. They don't teach a lot of these concepts in law schools.   They have these guys   are like the,   the famous, and I don't know which one they were, the Sioux or one of the great tracking,   tribes out west.   And they would go up, let's say, they go up to the top of the hill and they look over in the basin and see,   Custer and the cavalry over there, right,   and count them. And then they turn around and back out with a brush   and brush their footprints out.  

That's what these guys do. That's what these guys do. Right.   They're very slick.   K? That's why they've got this, definition of resonant hidden.   But can you find it that it goes back to Ambassadorial Loft? You dig deep enough. You can.   But, you'll never see it on the surface.   And it's that and the combination of how they've taken these words like resonant   and then very cleverly   put a Pavlovian   opposite definition in your mind so that you answer those questions wrong.   Yeah.   Yeah.   So there's a lot here that you can't just look at the surface   without understanding some of this background   and say, well, where is the formula for jurisdiction?  

Well,   you can find it, but boy, you gotta dig. And it's just like I said earlier, this is Glenn, my other teacher, who's very bright, by the way,   and very schooled at this stuff. California boy, actually.   He said, if you don't know you're dealing with the feudal system,   you'll never do anything but shadow box with it.   And that is absolutely totally true. And if you don't believe me, look at the patriot community for 30.   And now here's Mark. Now Martin stumbled in this case, and it's on your question,   protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection. Mark, you wanna, meet Tom here and say hello?  

[00:26:57] Unknown:

Hey, Tom.   This is Mark and the straw man. I'm very   anti patriot mythology,   such as the gold fringe flag and a bunch of other stuff like that. Yeah.   And that we're under out when we get all that. Just started in your trust class. Oh, okay. Tom. Okay. Great.   So, you know, you may already know, but, you know, for the listening audience, you know, I'm a   practicing paralegal   with, you know, almost twenty five years experience now.   I've,   my research and writing is directly responsible for winning   four appeals   in four different states   in four different areas of law.  

So I've got a little bit of   research   savvy behind me,   even on topics that I don't have a lot of knowledge about initially, I can certainly quickly   look up and and see what the, you know, the case might be.   But, you know, right   on early with Roger,   you know, we kept talking about allegiance for protection, protection for allegiance   and so,   Google Scholar is a tremendous   free   search engine that you can find cases under.   And so I started with the Supreme Court and all the Circuit Court of Appeals except for DC.   And   I found a case called Minor, that's m I n o r,   versus   Happersett,   h a p p e r   s e p e, tango tango on the end.  

And that's 88   US   162.  

[00:28:40] Unknown:

Okay. 88  

[00:28:42] Unknown:

US 162,   that's a Supreme Court decision   from 1875   or as my friend Joe in Oklahoma called it, an opinion.   So it was the opinion of the US Supreme Court   in this case and one of the one of the paragraphs read this and I and I just I love it   for for a couple of different reasons.   But listen to this. This is very powerful.   There cannot be a nation without a people.   The very idea of a political community such as the nation is   implies an association   of persons   for the promotion of their general welfare.   Each one of the persons   associated becomes a member   of the nation formed by the association.  

He owes it allegiance and   is entitled to his protection.   Allegiance and protection   are, in this connection,   reciprocal   obligations.   The one is a compensation   for the other.   Allegiance for protection   and protection for allegiance.  

[00:29:57] Unknown:

Yeah. And and how do we tie that back to  

[00:30:00] Unknown:

to jurisdiction, Roger, like you said? Okay. Well, I'm that's why I was pointing you towards that document   because it says that right there. Now let me tell you the origin of that statement.   I was I was after the book was published, I was, doing a exchange with Larry Beecraft. Do you do you have any do you know about mister Beecraft?   No.   He's a pretty famous,   tax attorney from Alabama. He's won some real big decisions over the years, and he just he's like your friend in a sense. Your friend seems open minded if you can show him   something. But Beecraft's just not. He's and see, because they don't teach these concepts in their law schools, these people that are lawyers   don't know these things and can't think outside the box.  

Brent, our Brent Winters is kinda like that to an extent.   Like your doctor doesn't tell you anything about,   eating and diet,   And your dentist didn't tell you a damn thing about mercury fillings in your teeth. Okay. Same, same principle.   And   so they get through those courses and they just can't imagine, I guess, subconsciously,   if they weren't taught this and   they haven't heard it come up and it's not mentioned because the bad guys don't want us to know about this, that it exists,   but it works.   Okay. And if it didn't, why have they recognized it for fourteen years and there's never been a case of blowback?   You   know? Why are they telling the passport   kids inside and they've we've had this yesterday. You were probably working. Had this yesterday and the guy   called up the passport office and he got a guy on. He said,   yeah. You're you're a national national. He says, well, what can you tell me what that means to you? He goes, oh, yeah. You don't have to follow any of the statutes and codes anymore.  

That came from somebody inside the passport office. And he said, the second time we've heard this, he said, I just went through a class on how to process this paperwork correctly ten days ago.   K? So, anyway, this came from a conversation with Larry Beacraft   on   the book after it was published   and the word national. And Larry shot me back a link to a piece of legislation   that's in the public, the statutes at large, and it's called the Nationality   Act of 1940.   K. So what are we Okay. Just looking at that on the surface, what does that tell you? Well, it's right at the start of World War two.   Well, okay. I know these guys pretty well by now. When when do they do things that are real important? When everybody's distracted.  

Yeah. No. That's when this came and what this is the official point that first I can find where you see the word national.   And so they got this big, big piece of legislation, the nationality   act of 1940, and it's   page upon page and all this stuff.   Well,   right underneath that title, the nationality act of 1940, there's definitions.   And the very first definition, definition a,   is that statement,   a nationalist total allegiance to a small less state.   And then there's a couple of other ones that go on to further define it.   And, so here's what's going on. This is something I've figured out too over the years. It just hit me a few years ago.  

They always put the hook at the first,   just like that.   Definition a. So you're sitting there to read a big stack of this legislation.   Are you gonna be really paying attention when you first start reading it? Probably not.   Okay.   So they always put the hook at the front, fourteenth amendment, all persons born. There it is, feudal system. Bam.   Over on the tax thing, 26 CFR,   one point one dash one a,   one point one dash one a. Could it be any closer? It's on the top right at the first page when you open up the cover, and this is a MMO of theirs. They always put the hook at the front because they know you're not gonna see it.   Oh, god. I gotta read this whole thing and you're getting into that mindset and bam. You're already past the hook.  

They got you. Yeah.   They're slick, man. They're very, very slick. Can I ask you one more question? Oh, you can ask me questions for the rest of the show   today. Yeah.  

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So I found you through, Daniel Mintz in Los Angeles. Okay. Right. And   I asked him the question, you know, the the castarian tricksters that seem to put this whole system together,   the the slaving system.   Yeah.   They they're not honorable.   They don't have to be honorable according to their religious text texts. Correct. And they've murdered many people like Louis McFadden.   You know, you can kinda go down the list.  

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How about all of the The question is war dead. How about all the war dead since the civil war?  

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Yeah.   And I asked them, well, you know, why wouldn't they come after people opting out of their slave system?   And he his opinion was that the people they've murdered were US citizens   and therefore property, and therefore they didn't have a karmic blowback.   Whereas nationals, it would be immoral   to   murder or to,   defraud, I guess.   And I was just curious,   it's an opinion, it's interesting, but I was just curious where you,   like, how do you understand their sense of honor? Because they're honoring the national status   over the last fourteen years,   but they don't have to honor and they haven't honored many No. Things that they have. Have to. They do have to.  



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See, they can control a lot of things, but they cannot change, ma'am, the things underneath.   They can distract you and lie to you, but they can't come back and obfuscate.   They can obfuscate it. They can hide it under different titles and all this stuff we talk about as we unravel it, but they can't change it. Here's an, here's another perfect example for you.   If you go to the law library, there's, there's three sets of law books in the law library. We've got the statutes at large. We mentioned a moment ago. You've got the United States Code, which is only the Roman Civil Code. And then you've got the stat the Code of Federal Regulations, the administrative states, little laws,   they call them. Yeah. So if you go to that, law library and you go get the first volume   of the statutes at large and open up the front cover, what do you think you see?  



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I don't know.  

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Well, the first thing you see is the Declaration of Independence.   And the second thing you see is the Articles of Confederation.   And the third thing you see are the Northwest Ordinances.   And the fourth thing is the Constitution.   This is the primary set of law books in the law library, and those four documents are at the first volume one. What does that tell you?  

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Yeah.   That they're important.  

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Well, they're law. They're still law. See, the they they can't change those things. All they can do is veneer over them. And they've got a lot of power, but the power they've got is what they what we're giving them in this little tip. If there's one thing that I've come away from this, and I preach at people that are here normally,   is you've got the power.   You've got the decision   to live under whatever set of laws you want to live under in this world, and they can't stop you. And if they try to stop you or if they try to tell you you're something else, then that's tyranny, isn't it?   It's open tyranny.  

Well, they they know better than that. They know what happens to open tyrants throughout history. They know a lot better than we do.   That's why they went to all this trouble over many decades   to set this thing up to get you to answer those two questions, yes, and give them your agreement.  

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You didn't enter into the trap. How did they justify killing Lewis McFadden?   That's terrible.  

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Well, they've killed a whole bunch of people.   They got him the fourth time at the Waldorf Astoria   in New York at a banquet.   They poisoned him, their favorite   their favorite form.  

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They've killed him. So so they are tyrants. I I just don't understand how they're tyrants some of the time, but then they honor  

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Well, they're only tyrants when they got you they're they're they're only tyrants when you haven't filed an affidavit.  

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Yeah.  

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And I know it's hard to believe. Okay. Look. We have that comment on here all the time. It's just hard to believe. And it's also hard to believe when you really get into it and understand it, how simple it is.   It's simple as hell.  

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But do you think if Lewis McSadden was a national and filed an affidavit, they wouldn't have killed him?  

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Oh, boy. That's a that's a good question. I can't speak for their minds at that point.   But,   I remember they hadn't started. They had not implemented the full   program in his day. They couldn't really implement the full program   until after 1954   with Brown versus Board of Education   because that took the two statuses   and made them together   like it says, all US citizens are US nationals.   Now they can just ask you. That overcame   have have have you heard us talk about Plessy v Ferguson,   Tom?  

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Yes.  

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Okay. Well, that was separate but equal. That was the Supreme Court precedent. They had to recognize it. That   basically, it it   validated the Jim Crow laws, even though Jim Crow was not a black and a white issue,   except that the white people were the nationals and the black people were mostly the new federal citizens.   It was a political status issue, the whole Jim Crow thing.  

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They were saying nationals and and US citizens were separate but equal?  

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Yes. That's what Plessy said.   Got it. K. Yeah. Okay. And so they had to overcome that.   All the British, just hold on. They had to overcome that. Okay?   And so the way they overcame it was ran up this busing   situation.   It got everybody   pissed off. They sent it up to the Supreme Court. Thurgood Marshall   was the prosecutor,   the, NAACP.   And after they got this decision, which overturned Plessy,   and it's not separate but equal anymore,   now it's equal in the classroom,   equal in the society.   So they equalized the two statuses.   Now they could have just as easily said   equal in the white country club,   equal in the society, but they didn't. They lowered it to the federal citizen one, okay, of busing and putting blacks and whites and white and black. Well, what that overcame Plessy,   and that's where they could only ask you one side of the equation. What if they ask you your whole life, Tom, are you a US citizen or a national?  

What would you have done? Yeah. What would you have done then?  

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Well, yeah. What are what what's the difference?  

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Well, yeah. What is this national thing? Okay. Well, that's why why they did that. And so as I figured that out finally a few years ago,   because I thought it was different,   And, and I kept getting   54,   54, 54. What in the hell?   And bam, it hit me. And I went and looked   sixty days to the day   after Brown v Board's decision or opinion, if you will. Don't get   don't get, all all jacked up over that.   So, anyway, sixty days after that,   they put the 1954   internal revenue code in place, and that's what we're under still.   So there's the real answer to board is they had to get it simplified where they could ask you the one question.  

Now we got you in the tax code.   That you just see it if you look at it on a timeline.  

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That makes sense. And that's where my friend is difficult as he's gonna say, it's Patriot Mythology to say that Brown versus Board of Education is about   nationals and US citizens. You're making a joke.  

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Well, I'm not. Because if you go to Brown versus Board of Education,   what do they all say? It overturned Plessy v Ferguson.   It it overturned the evil Plessy. That's how they say it.   But I gotta read it. I'm gonna read it and see because till they wanted to outrage. It was it Okay. I don't it probably won't. And I don't know. Remember, you gotta remember, they don't think like we think. Okay? And they do these things and scheme them to get, to get an object outcome.   Alright? Now what else is important about that? It was after that case, guess what happened to Thurgood Marshall?   What? He got appointed to the Supreme Court. That's Clarence Thomas's spot now.  



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Of course.  

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Okay. Now, Bruce, what do you got to add?  

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Trading with the enemy at.  

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Okay. Trading with the enemy act. Yeah. Well, I will. Thank you.   Are are you familiar with, doctor Dean Schroeder's opus called Trading with the Enemy Act? It's on our website, Tom.  

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That's something. Yeah. I didn't I haven't watched the whole thing, but, yeah, it's about about the bankruptcy.  

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Oh, yeah. And there's 85 different exhibits in there. Okay? So if your friend will sit down and watch that, he'll get the absolute proof of the bankruptcy. You can't deny it. K?   Even an attorney can deny 85 different exhibits for god's sakes.   And,   and then you could go to another couple of different ways. You could take your friend to Black's Law Dictionary and go,   let's go look under the bank holiday in 1933.   Have you ever looked at that, Tom?   No.   Okay. Well, if you go into Black's and look at it, it'll say, well, the banks closed for five days and   blah blah blah blah blah, and then they reopened under regulations by the secretary of the treasury.  

Okay. So what's wrong with that?   First of all, there wasn't a secretary of the treasury before that.   He's the, he's the trustee in bankruptcy.   And there were no regulations because there'd never been agencies before.   So there's your first regulations. That's the birth of the deep state right there as they change the money because that's what happened. They changed the system.   Men that use gold   to buy things and no one has a property ownership on them, they can then own the things they buy and they pay the bill   with real   money. Right?  



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Mhmm.  

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Well, now after the banks changed,   they issued paper money and they had regulations   and   and the paper money is debt. Because you see now slaves   can't pay bills   and own things because someone has a property right in them. They can discharge the debt and they can have control of the things, but they don't own them. That's why your car, if you own it, has a certificate of title. That's why your house, even though it may be paid off and you don't pay the property taxes, can be sold on the courthouse steps.   Free people pay for things and pay debts and own things.  

Slaves discharge the debt with other debt, and they can control things.  

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If you use debt   to to buy something,   you don't own it.   That's what you just that's what you're saying?  

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Yeah. You well, you'd not only don't you own it, you can't own it. You can't own anything because someone's got already got a property right in you. This is another one of those words that we may need to mess with a little bit here and further define.   And because there's another one a lot of people don't understand is properties.   So if if,   a property   is a right   and the definition   is   in into a thing. So the car would be a thing and your property is the right of ownership in into the thing. You can drive it, you can wreck it, you can paint it, you can sell it, you can do anything you want.   Okay?  

So that so then you can still do that, but you'll never get true ownership because you don't it doesn't give you a title. The title is the manufacturer's MSO,   manufacturer's statement of yours.   Yeah. Okay. So that's just another example of all these twin definitions   and and and that kind of stuff.   But, and and the fact that well, let me tell you a story about John, my teacher.   So he studied the law his whole life,   he out of the old books, not out of law schools. K?   And so, that's why he knows that's why he knew all these concepts to teach us. I'm the one of the few people that understand them, and I've talked with a bunch of lawyers. Okay?   And Yeah. They they're not taught these concepts in law school. So John seizing upon that idea,   calls one of the   law schools there in Utah. Don't know which one, but he got a hold of the dean. So it's probably one of the smaller ones.  

And he tells the dean, I'm I'm thinking about coming back to law school. And dean's going, oh, man. We'd love to have you, this, that, and the other. And they get into a conversation, and John goes, well, I'm particularly interested in the word person.   And the dean says, oh, okay. No problem.   We teach that as an elective.   And when enough students sign up for it, then we teach the course. And John very astutely said, when's the last time you taught it?   Six years ago.   So six graduating   classes went through his law school and were he teaches in a course called jurisprudence,   We're never exposed to the concept of the word person   when a person is used in almost all statute. Statutes are written for three things,   persons,   things, or actions,   And the majority of them for persons. And I can even give you a good,   a good   story on that where my friend spent a year and a half in club fed because that word right there,   person. Yeah. Okay. My friend, Charlie Gray in Atlanta, he was,   had a big antiques dealership, got crossed with the IRS.  

They came after him for failure to file. He was a John Nelson student. Have you ever heard of John Nelson? You probably have not.   He's   a fabulous researcher out of Colorado.   They killed his sister,   tried to put a hit out on him years ago evidently.   And anyway,   he was a John Nelson student. He goes, oh, I'm gonna fight him. And so he does it proper,   which is quite a job in a criminal case,   federal,   and,   at that level, which he did. He did a real good job for what he did. So his name is Charlie Gray. And so Charlie got two   two,   sitting federal judges subpoenaed and,   got,   the district director, I believe, of the IRS subpoenaed.  

And I was in at the Federal Building that day. A bunch of us were down there, crowded courtroom.   Juries and panel on one side.   And this testimony   was from the, district director of the IRS.   And so,   the the three stat the three, regulations they usually come at you with is   six zero zero one, six zero one one, and six zero one two, I believe, Mark, those three.   And he had the district director   there on the stand. Courtroom's   jammed.   Everybody's listening attentively.   And the district director's got those little half glasses on,   you know, for reading.  

And or they can tilt their head down and look at you over the top of the glasses and intimidate you.   Yeah. And so the district director   starts reading one of those sections, all persons, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.   And then he drops his head, and he looks over his glasses at Charlie, and he goes,   you look like a person to me.   And you could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom.   Now if Charlie would have known what we knew   hold on just a second. If Charlie would have known what we knew,   he could have said something to the effect of, but mister district director, a person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties.  

I'm a scribe no rights, civil or otherwise, under the fourteenth amendment and therefore owe no correlative duties.   Yeah. That would that have been a better answer?   Yeah.   Yes. But he didn't know that. So Yes. And I thought that that he I thought that moment right there was probably the reason he spent a year and a half in Club Fed. Now who was trying to say something there a minute ago?  

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This is Jack in Colorado.  

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Hey, Jack.  

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Hey. Hey. Question on this topic. There's something I still sometimes have a hard time putting my head around with regarding jurisdiction.   Is your is there any first of all, is there anywhere where it's written   what jurisdiction   actually means? And does it stem more from residency  

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or allegiance? There's there's well, first of all, there's several different kinds of jurisdiction.   We don't specify   and differentiate them enough here. There's subject matter jurisdiction, and then there's personum   jurisdiction.   Subject matters, like somebody was talking about a   oh, okay. Well, let's just give a little background. Okay? So maybe you won't be as confused.   Alright. We had a guy on here yesterday talking about   going in and challenging jurisdiction on a traffic   situation, and they didn't differentiate between the two. And the court's going, we got jurisdiction.   And he's going, no, you don't. Well, that's because they do have jurisdiction   over all the highways and stuff in their district,   their judicial district,   but they don't have personal jurisdiction on the guy if he's filed an affidavit.  

So you're talking,   you think you're on the same subject and you're talking apples and oranges. You see what I'm saying, Jack?  

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Yeah. No. That makes sense.   I'm more thinking about, like, Tom's friend if he says, well, you do.   The United States does have jurisdiction over you because you were born here, and how could you combat that? There's no hidden laws that state that.  

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Well, I'll I'll show you how you could combat it, and   it it it says you've have you always answered those two questions? Yes?   I'm a citizen of The United States. I'm a resident and signed something. You have amateur jack throughout your adult life.  

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Yeah.  

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That's the only one I get. For sure, but Okay. Well, well, hold on. No. No. No. Hold on. Then that does mean they've got jurisdiction, at least in their eyes, doesn't it? Because you gave it to them.  

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Yeah. But now   they don't. And I wonder I wonder how you can basically prove that.  

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Well, you send in the affidavit.   That's what that appellate court says over on on on,   copper moonshine still. There's a quote over there that says, unless a person can prove   they're not a citizen of The United States, the IRS can move on to assessment and collection. Well, how do you prove you're not a citizen of The United States? There's only one way. You gotta submit some kind of a statement to the Secretary of State. Why?   Because the secretary of state has always been responsible for passports   since the start of the country. And if you're gonna issue a passport to somebody   to represent him to foreign nations,   you've got to give   that passport   identity   the best you can to present him, don't you?  

Well, here's where they've done the whole thing. It's right there.  

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Yeah. But I guess the argument is why   why does The United States not have jurisdiction over nationals as well as US citizens because they're both equal?  

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Because, no, they're not e well, they are equal. And that's my that's the question I asked about Brown Brown versus Board of Education.   I don't know what twisted reasoning   they used in that case,   but I do know that if you've equated somebody with god given rights and duties to somebody with civil rights given to you by a government, there's something wrong because there ain't no level that they connect on equal to me. Can you figure out one, Jack? Can you figure out how they're the same? No. I agree with that.  

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No. I agree with that. That should be different, but I guess I don't know how to prove that The United States doesn't have jurisdiction over a national.  

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Well, right there,   the the,   a national owes total allegiance to a small s state. That means the total small estate owes you protection now and not the federal government, which has been all your life. There how how  

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So it's about   so it's about it's about allegiance then. And that's where we direct jurisdiction, not necessarily from residency.  

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The whole thing's about jurisdiction.   How does that   non elected bureaucrat over there have the power to make a a man made law and and not only attach it to me, but then come and enforce it on me? Where does he get that power?   Isn't that the question?  

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If I'm a citizen   well, if I'm a citizen, but really the question is why does he not not have that power over a national house? Because you've changed power. Because you've changed your allegiance from them to the state.  

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If you're Roger further than the allegiance.  

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Okay.   Mark, let me just say one thing, Mark. If you'll look further down that sheet of below that statement on the certificate of non citizen nationality,   Tom,   and and you'll see   that they could define   federal states and it's capital s.   The allegiance owed after affidavit filing is small s. That's the original states. And there's your differentiation   right there. Okay. Mark, what what do you got to add here? We'll see if you can help back. They're missing the connection. It has to do with your citizenship  

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status,   right, which gives jurisdiction.   Yeah. Yeah. So what what first gives your what what causes your citizenship   status?   And that is your allegiance   to some entity.   And in this case, you're either giving your allegiance to The United,   States   or you're giving allegiance to a small s state, which is one of the many states that make up the union   of The United States Of America.   So you got The United States   and United States Of America.   So your swearing allegiance determines your citizenship   status.   What citizen are you? Then from there,   that determines if they got jurisdiction over you.  

So, Mark, that makes total sense to me, but is that written anywhere in any statute that Well, you have to make the connections. You're not they're not they're not gonna come out and directly say that,   but you have to make the connections. Now the first thing you gotta start with somebody who's   questioning this   is one, are they open minded? If you put the evidence in front of them that proves your points   of law, will they accept it?   And if they're like, I don't know, don't waste your time. They're not, they're not willing to understand.   But if they're open   to gaining knowledge,   there's,   one of the best things you could do is start out convincing somebody   there are two different citizenship   statuses.  

Yeah. And there's probably no better way of doing that than on the matrixdocs.com.   If you scroll down near the bottom, there's a link   to two pages of court case sites about differences   between US citizens and state citizens, which are now known as nationals.   So the title of that document,   and it's in PDF form,   is US citizens   are property,   US national   state citizens   are not.   So that's a PDF,   two pages, and it's got case sites   from different   court,   opinions   that you can look through that and look at those case sites.   And you'll see very quickly,   there are two   different citizenship   statuses.  

Mhmm. Prior to the Civil War and the Reconstruction   Acts,   there was no such thing as a US citizen.   No such thing. Didn't exist.   You were a state citizen typically of the state that you were born in.  

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So I think that's really the hardest thing. I think the hardest part of,   convincing somebody of this that doesn't know about it is when you bring in the feudal system because that's really the linchpin. And   it also it sounds like you're bringing in fantasy and, like, dragons and stuff, but the truth is that's really where all the truth  

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derives from. You know? Correct. Well, the the feudal system only comes into play   when you're explaining that it's your choice, that nobody else decides your citizenship  

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status. Or that your property   or that your property is that, Jake.  

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Yeah. That's a good point, Roger.   So I wouldn't confuse them with the feudal system upfront.   And so first things first, do they recognize   that there's a difference between   a   US citizen   and a state set state citizen now known as a national?   If they don't get that, they're not gonna get any part of this.  

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Are   you Yeah. And it's just   not everybody's gonna be receptive to it, folks. I mean, I would have thought years ago that you would.   And,   it's been one of the biggest hitch upside the head things for me is there's only a few people that are that respond to this.   We're very few.   Now that may change, okay, as we go forward,   but and we get in the right circumstances and situations, but there's only a few of us. And then if you expect everybody's gonna fall down and file an affidavit, you're gonna be severely disappointed.   Okay?  

Now here's another way to approach this without ever even going into law. For the first ninety years of the country after the articles of Confederation,   there was only one status and that was the cell state citizen now called a national.   And then so he was whitey in Jim Crow. Well, what what happened to him? Where did he go? Did he just disappear off face the earth?   And the difference is your legal personality,   Jack,   the your legal personality is from where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties.   That's what person you are.  

And that's totally your choice. Nobody can tell you   what you are. That's again,   because they can't   as bad as they want to, you're my slave, you goyim little bitch. Okay? They can't do that because they'll be open tyrants.   That's why they've gone to all this trouble for all these decades   to turn everything around so they can ask you those two questions   and get you to tell them that's what you are.  

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That's the whole deal. Does anybody know does anybody know when the last time they used the term state citizen,   in law or,   at the supreme court or any decision   versus switching to national? Because it  

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it It'd either have to be the early part of last century or the eighteen hundreds, and I don't know, Jack. I've wondered about that, but they've never used it past 1940.  

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That's right. So I'm wondering if that would be in between  

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Even though Jim Crow continued for fifteen more years. See,   you look at things on a timeline.   So they   set up   the National in the forties, and we got finished with the war. And then they had this big problem of all these agencies that were popping up under this new system, and they didn't have a rule book. So they struggled for thirteen years to get them a rule book, and that's called the Administrative   Procedures Act. And it was passed in 1946   and it's still operable. And they they hold their feet to the fire on this one because it's codified.   So then we had to go in and set up the IRS,   which they did in 1954   with an internal document called a treasury order. I believe, Mark, it was treasury order 51,   and that's when they formed and split away the IRS from the BHF.  

Then three years later, they got board versus   Brown versus Board to get rid of the   the two different different statuses into one where they could get your question or your commitment,   and then sixty days later, they couldn't wait. They were absolutely about to crap their pants.   Sixty days later, they put that nineteen fifty four revenue code in place, and it's still there.   You trace back any regulation,   and every one of them will stop at nineteen fifty four, even though there was an internal revenue code all the way back to the twenties and the thirties. They stop at 54.   Gotcha. So, yes, looking at it on a timeline,   you get a whole different perspective because it's not they have to work on an event line because they always have to get something else set up before they can pull the next deal and put the next layer on the fraud. By the way, here's another good Jack, you wanna say,   people don't believe it's the feudal system?  

Tom, you know what the,   you know what the symbol for the feudal system is?  

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The pyramid?   Yes. I don't know.   Yes. The pyramid.   It is. Oh, yeah. Yes.  

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How much more proof could you give them than to turn over a dollar bill and sell it to them?  

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Yeah. He wouldn't accept that. He would call that, you know  

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Some kind of other evidence. Well, remember, this is a rule   that was given to me by my   friend at the time, Diego, the half shaman down in Argentina. We   had a couple of different rounds of, interaction, and he had been studying power   from the spiritual   side for twenty years. And I've been studying it from the technical legal side, and our paths crossed, and we got a chance to talk. And it's one of the things that he told me I'll never forget. Boy, is it true?   Power always puts what they're doing to you right in   front  

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of   you.  

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True. Very true. Okay. We've had a lot of discussion. There's a couple of other things I wanna say, but Merck is there and other people might have something to add.   Merica's   in your state, Tom, just down a little bit in the LA region. Yeah, Merica.  

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Hey, Tom. Welcome. I'm just gonna share I'm gonna share something for Jack and Tom.   So   you explained, you know, the jurisdiction stuff,   and,   you know, some cases. But   the main thing is that you can go back all the way back to the bible,   and   we are the people under natural law.   We are under natural law. Then the legal system is under,   which is The United States,   is under man made law.   It's the land of the the law of the city.   So that's another   example   to remember.   And if you Paul is the example on the bible that you can also refer to and review   and,   read about it on there.  

It,   it has a lot   of different,   books   that you can go into and review that and just look at Paul. He's the natural citizen.  

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We're the natural citizen under natural law. Yeah. Yep. K. And they're differentiated in the declaration of independence, you know, with the capital c. That's what they did there. And,   you just got to try and plant some seeds. If your friend will sit down and if you can get his attention enough to where you get about an hour and a half out of him,   give put that video, God's Trump card in front of him   that's on the website.   And, that I think is about the one of the better presentations I've done. And as I've said, the reason   is because I show you   how they've done and enslaved you in your mind, and then I show you how they enslaved you with that in your body.  

And, that way people aren't as I think when you show them and try and explain all this stuff we've been talking about here in front,   that they have a much harder time getting their arms around it than if they know that they've been tricked with these words,   and you can demonstrate   that to them. Yeah. Okay. Here's another thing you could ask your attorney.   Ask him about is are there are there are there such a thing as constitutional   rights?   I hear everybody talking about them. You know?   Lawyers, attorneys,   congressmen,   president   Trump, all of them. I hear them talking about them. Well, can you tell me which exact,   rights are given to you by that document?  



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Roger, that that another damn voice is Oh, oh, Merka. Hold on.  

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Tom, can you tell me any the specifically what rights are given to you by the document?  

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Can can I?   Yeah. Well,   the constitution, I mean, the right to bear arms, I guess, is the first one that comes to mind. No. No. No. No. No. Those aren't rights. Those are protections.  

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Okay.   Those are protections for you against government.   Civil rights under the fourteenth amendment.   Okay.   So you see how words create realities?   All these people, commentators,   attorneys,   everybody,   constitutional rights. You can't take my constitutional right. Oka ho. Woah. Exactly what rights does that document give you?  

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But doesn't it say the right to hold and bear arms?  

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Shall not be infringed. It's a protection.   That's a God given right. The constitution didn't give you that.   Got it. Yeah. That's why in the second amendment, you gotta go and have a from a licensed dealer.   Right.   So they still give it to you, but there's   infringements.   So something that simple,   you noodle on that for a while. That's profound.   Excuse me.   Excuse me, chief justice of the Supreme Court. What rights does that document give me   specifically, please?   I gotcha. Well, that's tough. That kinda makes you start thinking, doesn't it?   Yes. Merka. Yeah.  



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And and, Tom, you're studying law. Right? You're you understand how to look at cases and stuff. So if you look at,   like a you'll you'll start searching for the state of   you would find the definition of this capital state. It tells you right there, it's corporation. It's,   with United States. And then if you look at the cases,   you also will find cases where it talks about the lower estate.   Right.   And that's the natural person,   that has the   their their natural rights.  

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Right. Well, that's the document I got in front of him right there with those differentiations,   Marcus, so that he can,   see those and show people. I mean, look. Well, tell me, Tom, does the state department not know what the hell they're doing? They got a a pretty damn expensive   bunch of lawyers up there. Are they getting these things that wrong?  

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Yeah. Yeah. No. That's what that link is so powerful because that's my my friend says,   I can follow your logic, but it's all Patriot Mythology until you cite cases   or state department links and and these other things. And so I'm trying to gather those into one page  

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so that he can There's another write it off. There's another one. There's something else he'd appreciate, I think, Tom, which is the dissenting opinion   in Wong in Wong Kim Ark,   one of the most important cases in the history of the country that you hear or even bring it up now. Wong Kim Ark's the big case on this whole birthright citizenship.   This opinion, excuse me, Joe, opinion that's gonna be probably issued next week. We're about to see, I think, next week, a slew   of, these cases being   released that they've decided over this term.   They just about got to because they're going on   vacation.  

So,   you don't   mind.   But that dissent hold on just a second,   Larry. That dissent is from chief justice Fuller,   who was the chief justice for ten or more years up there.   And,   the other person that joined him on the descent was a justice named John Harlan,   who I have particularly come to really, really, really admire.   And he was one of the   greater justices we've ever had too. In fact, he had his own nickname. He was called the great dissenter.   Okay? Yeah. And, that little thing verifies it's the first time you see anything on the feudal system. And they connect it to the fourteenth amendment,   and they say if this fourteenth amendment, they they call it the rule, it was the Civil Rights Act of 1866   is what turned into the fourteenth amendment. And they're comparing that and saying, if this is the case,   then,   this is the case   of a,   of when the man is connected to the soil.  

And it's a, a situation that's unchanged and   unbending by time or space and,   and it cites that   liege lord to a liege man.   That's the same thing as allegiance for protection,   protection for allegiance.   Liege is the root word of allegiance.   That's where it comes from. Yeah. Okay? And the allegiance due and owing to a lord. And for that, he gives you protection.   It's automatic. There isn't a choice. It's an   obligation. It's our teeth. Okay? And it's that little thing right there. And he says, this was coming on to our country just as England was being relieved of its inconvenience.   I don't remember if we've got that on the website or not. We should have it. I know I've sent it to Mark before. I've got it. If you want to drop me an email, Tom, and I'll send you the site there.  

Out of one of the most famous and important cases in the history of the country.   Okay? Right. So there it is, there it is again in William T McFadden's in my book. At one point on one of his speeches, he says, they're building a they're erecting   a Machiavellian   feudal system   right out of his mouth   on the floor of the house.   So Right. People can see it.   Yes. And I'll tell you the other place.   There's a a note that was written to Wilson   from Colonel House was found in Wilson's   possessions.   Have you seen that, Tom?   Yeah. I've I've heard you I've heard you recite that. Okay. Well and this is right. The first, we will make them sureties by invoking the ancient pledge.  

What's the hell is the ancient pledge? The oath of fealty where you volunteered into servitude.   So if you know what you're looking, you can find it. But if you don't know what you're looking for, all those things are gonna blow right over you.  

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Yeah.   Now there's a couple of things that you said time and Well, you have to run off where it's temple right now.   Do you have to run off, Tom? If not, you have the No. No. No. I I I I don't. I'm gonna stick around. I just, sorry for taking up so much time. I I really No. No. Look. Look. All the feedback.  

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You you're the this is the reason we're here,   please.   Okay? Cool. Cool. So there was there are two guys, Larry and somebody else. Mark has got follow-up.   Who was,   Larry? You were first.  

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Yeah. To answer Tom's initial question, why do we use the word intent?   Like in the statement, it is my intent to be a national.   Based on my research, that comes from precedents, namely   an antiquated   practice and process, which involved a document called   a declaration   of intention.  

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Roger, have you ever heard of this document? I have not. It's new to me, so continue because that's exactly what it is. That's perfect answer, Larry. Thank you.  

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Right. So I'll give you an example. This document exists.   And if you go to archives.utah.govgov,   you can find this document.   And it's titled   To Become a Citizen of The United States,   And   this is a notary document. And so right below that title   in the upper left hand corner,   it says United States Of America,   territory of Utah,   county   of   Sevier,   and then it goes on to read like this.   Sevier. Yeah.   I   and I don't know if I it was hard to read his handwriting because they have a line, and then he's supposed to write in his name.   I think it said Nislo,   but I do know the last name is Rasmussen,   r a s m u s s I n.  

I, Nislo   Rasmussen,   do declare   on oath that it   is bona fide my intention   to become a citizen of The United States Of America   and to renounce and abjure forever   all allegiance and fidelity   to all and any foreign prince, potentate,   state and sovereign,   whatever,   and particularly   to and then they have a line and then he writes in his country,   And his was the kingdom of Denmark   of whom I was a subject.   And then he signs his name,   and then it says, here's the notary information,   subscribed and sworn to before me   this twenty eight day, October   a d eighteen ninety five,   and then,   someone named George k,   like, his last name starts with a k. He he signed it there, and then his credentials were clerk of the US first   judicial   district court in and for   the territory of Utah. And then just a little bit more, it says,   I   and then this is the clerk. He puts his name on the line. Clerk of the first judicial district court of the United States   in and for the territory of Utah,   do hereby certify that the above is true and correct.  

Yep.   Copy of the original declaration of intention of and then he writes in   the, one making the declaration, mister Rasmussen.   And then in all capital letters   and in all red letters, it says citizen   of The United States Of America,   and then it goes back to black and white or, you know, black ink.   Now   now of record in my office   at Provo City,   Utah.   And then it says,   in testimony whereof, the seal of said court is here unto affixed   this October   in the year   1895.   That's all spelled out. And then there's two signatures, one by the clerk   and one by the deputy clerk. And at the very bottom of this one page document,   it says it has language that says a copy can be obtained for $1.  



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You know, you can say a lot of things about Larry.   You can say a lot of things about Larry, but you can't say he's not thorough. Okay?   A couple of things in there. Mark, I want you to ask straw man, if you write   in all capital letters, I'm a citizen of The United States Of America. Does that make you a slave?   Oh,   thank you. That's an interesting,   interesting,   bring forth, Larry. Thank you very much. And certification   of the clerk and he's certifying that he's seen that document on file in some book somewhere. So you you now you can still do that with your affidavit that you filed at the property records office, pay an extra couple of bucks for it. Yeah, Marca?  

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One more example for,   Tom. And if you guys look at the US code,   it's eight USC   11   o one,   number three,   the term alien means any person not a citizen or a national of The United States. We are alien to The United States.  

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Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. There's another one more thing. Show your friend. It depends on his frame of mind. It sounds like he's open, and so we'll try and feed him a little bit here, Tom. Can you see the advantage of our brain trust here, by the way? Yeah, Larry. Yeah. And   and and I'm inviting him to the, National Status Freedom on Telegram too. Okay. Mervis got a group on Telegram. Okay. So, go ahead, Larry. So  

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one last comment because I know there is someone after me.   So during 1895,   there's two law dictionaries that were,   that were available,   Bauviere's law dictionary and the first edition of Black Laws. So I looked up the word intent or intention,   and they have it in boviers as a conscious choice or aim.   It also means   it it is also your meaning,   will,   purpose, or design.   Just that FYI.  

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Sure desire. Look, I don't wanna change this. I wanna be that. Here's another thing you could show your,   your attorney buddy with a little bit of weight here   is a Supreme Court case from the sixties called Afraheem   v Rusk.   Have you heard us talk about that, Tom?  

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No.  

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Okay.   Actually, one of our students brought this case to our attention. I think off that document, actually.   So Afraim   was a Hungarian   Jew,   and he,   immigrated   and he naturalized.   And then they caught him voting in an Israeli   election,   which at that point was against the rules.   And so even though there was precedent for the other say   side that they could take his rights,   he took it back to the Supreme Court and they overruled the previous decision,   which was only a few years earlier in the fifties.   And so, the Supreme Court decided   that even though Afraheem   violated the rules that were written and understood and verified by previous decision,   they could not take his rights away.  

Why not?  

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I don't know.  

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You can't take somebody's rights away. They've gotta give them away.   He got into it voluntarily,   immigrated, naturalized.   They can't come in and take those away.   He's got to give them away. Now in that case, they don't say, oh, by the way, you can be this national guy. They didn't say that. They kind of talk around that a bit in the case though, but there it is right in front of you. Okay. Yes. Now who said Roger there?  

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Samuel.  

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Samuel.   Good morning. Yeah.  

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Good morning.   In the Bible,   will is usually preserved for God   and intent for man.   Man is to   intend to do God's will or intend not to do God's will.   I think that's where the legal   force of it really comes from.  

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Quite,   quite an interesting,   observation. Samuel's just north of you up there, Tom, in around, what, Placerville?   Yeah.   Yeah. Okay.   Okay. Old Great. No. Yeah. An old hand around here.  

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Roger.  

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Yes. Is that Dave?  

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It is. Good morning.   Hey, Dave. So hi, Tom.   This is Dave and the Thumb. And you guys Roger asked you   what you thought was the symbol for feudalism, and you said that triangle. Right?   Yeah. And and then   he he said, show him the dollar bill. And what was your response? What would he say?  

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Well, he would say, you know, that's you're you're making a a it's   it would it's like not evidence that would hold up for him. He would say that's cute, but that doesn't prove that you don't have to pay taxes anymore.  

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Well, no. That's an that's not what I'm saying. No. No. Dave, hold. It doesn't say you're not supposed to pay taxes. It says you're in the feudal system.  

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Right.  

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Well, he wouldn't yes. He wouldn't get into  

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He wouldn't get into that. Coincidence.  

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Okay. Listen. There's no coincidence   with that. That's some that's the great seal of The United States.   You ever heard of a tarot card shop? You know what tarot cards are? Yeah. I've I've heard of them.   Okay. They they use that symbol. There's a sticker on the door of every tarot card shop   that's that   triangle with the all seeing eye hovering   over it, and it says,   new order. Right?   Whatever that the language is. Now Yeah. No withdrawal.  

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D I  

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FDIC   Bank,   they have the same sticker on their door walking into the bank. Okay? That that great seal,   that that triangle all hovering all seeing eye, that's the eye of Sauron.   Right?   That,   that's been sealing the dollar.   I don't think I've heard it's never sealed any document   in   America US history except that dollar bill, and it's been on there since 1936.  

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Yeah. One of Roosevelt's,   one of Roosevelt's   buddies who suggested they put that on there, I read or heard.   So, now there's a bevy of people wanting to say something. But how do we know the seal? It's it's the seal of Tewdellism. The United States.  

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How did you guess that triangle   was the symbol for feudalism?  

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That was a heck of a guess. Hell, I I didn't even know that until a couple years ago when Sketch came on the air one day and said, you know what the symbol of is? I went, no.   The pyramid. I went, oh my god.  

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But is that an official,   representation of feudalism or just the mechanics of a lot of people serving a few people?  

[01:27:24] Unknown:

No. If you go to symbology, you you know, and you have different symbols for different stuff, and that's the symbol for feudalism.   And it's top the guy at the top owns everything.   Thing, Tom.  

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Yeah. Yeah. One more thing. I I'm I'm gonna say   your intelligent buddy who's an attorney,   he's benefiting   from these feudal slaves even though he is one.   He's benefiting monetarily   He's from that all seeing eye,   stealing  

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his dollars. Well, he's Let me He's also seen a lot of tax evaders go to jail. Oh, sure. So he's Oh, sure. He's got a lot of fear around Alright. You know, there are real consequences  

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for for not teaching Have have you showed him 26   have you showed him 26 CFR 1.1 dash one a yet and showed that to him, Tom?   That if he's done tax it's tax cases, that that's the one you need to show him if he's done tax stuff.  

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Yeah. Another thing, Roger,   about the dollar bill?  

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Yes, Mark. The  

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the wording on it,   e pluribus   unum,   which means   out of many one, and that's the United States Street Seal.  

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Yeah.   So,   okay.   Anyway, there there there it is right there. And like I said, power puts what they're doing to you right in front of you. Now I could don't wanna do it now, but I I think I've got the holy grail and it is that triangle. You see in Babylon,   they only use three sides of a pin to trap something.   In our country, we use four.   And they didn't use rails, they used concepts.   And this is a three conceptual   triangle.   And when you file your affidavit,   what you're technically doing, the third leg of the triangle,   was when they hid state citizen behind National.  

And when you file your affidavit, you smoke that out. You dissolve one of the three sides of the triangle,   and that's why they have to recognize this.  

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What are the other two sides?  

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Well, alright. Well, this is something I read years ago. I had an experience,   won't go into the whole story in Argentina.   It was a it was an epiphany   for me. And all of a sudden dealing with this Diego guy, the shaman,   on a situation of an accident I was in where there were fatalities, there'd been a lot of complications,   and a girl that I was   very, very interested in that all of a sudden her daughter said we couldn't be together anymore.   And so both of those things were,   kinda coming to a head. I consulted my friend, Diego,   who had spoke perfect English and lived in The US   outside of Denver for six years. And I said, I'm gonna make damn sure she understands me. So now we've got time together again. First time was he was my Spanish teacher.  

And,   so now we get to really sit down and talk about this stuff. And I'm explaining to him,   how the position I've got this female in. And so I I'm explaining it to him. He's gotta go in a minute.   He's he's very in demand. He got another appointment.   And I'm trying to explain this story to him, and I'm say telling him and he goes, that's power.   And I I just kinda wow. I don't he's gotta leave. I wanna finish the story. I know that's gotta be important.   But I'll get it later. And so I finished the story,   and he said, that's what you did with your affidavit.  

You stole their power.   Hey. I gotta go. Bam. And runs off. Well, he left me with that in that situation. In my mind, I was in a real weird frame of mind for about two weeks.   I call it a trance. It's the second time I've ever been in it. This was it. This was the result towards the end. That situation happens, and I start thinking into   my consciousness   comes something I'd read thirty years ago about Freemasons.   And it said that it was the Freemason's   motto.   And the and it just came back to me. Okay? And it said,   the Freemasons motto is first a line,   then another line,   then a square.  

Now what they're doing is they're getting you thinking linearly,   but they're thinking conceptually   and technically.   So I started thinking. I said, okay.   First line. First line. First line. Fourteenth amendment.   It set up the slave system. I was buying this feudal system. So that's the initial line. And then another line. And the other line would have been the passage of the Federal Reserve Act and them getting control of the money in the government.   And the third line is not a square. It's not a square square.   It's closing two line open lines. That's a drafting term.  

And so when you do that, you lay the third line on and they hid state citizen   behind national.   And now when you answer those questions, yes, you're square in the middle of a three sided Babylonian   conceptual trap. And that ain't Patriot mythology.   It's on the back of your damn dollar bill.  

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Yeah. Very well said. Yeah.  

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Now when that when that happened,   I said it was an epiphany.   When that came to me,   all of a sudden, I'm sitting in a little shotgun apartment   looking at the Andes   two hours away, sunset.   And, in the background, I had Hindu.   You know? And what happens, that tone   vibrates your pineal gland that works on the same frequency. Yeah. And that all is going on. All these things are happening to me. And all of a sudden, I developed a blockage   in my sternum, behind my sternum.   And,   it it would I I could feel it. Okay? And there was pressure above it and nothing below it. And it it was like being constipated.   K. Honestly. And then all of a sudden, you blow that out and bam. And that whatever it was went down my spine and out my pelvis, and I felt it. It was one of the most unusual things I've ever felt. K? And that's when I came to this conclusion on what I just explained to you. Now it's even better.  

The date,   05/01/2013.   The day of the founding of the Illuminati at   thirteen,   they're a big number.   So that's how that where that came from. K?  

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Great. Thank you for sharing that.  

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But now, what is that? What is the what is that?   That's the Hegelian dialectic,   problem, reaction, solution. What why is that important? Because they can take that concept and work that little magic formula on anything, and this is how they advance   political power. And that's why it was considered the most valuable thing that was discovered   evidently   when the crusades when they the crusaders   conquered   the, the Arabs,   and they took over King Solomon's house, and there weren't enough rooms in the castle or the house. And so some of the, Crusaders   had to stay in the stable,   and digging in the stable, they found King Solomon's treasure. This was part of it. Probably, they say, the most important part.  

Just what I explained to you.   I don't know of anybody else in history that's ever figured that out before. K?  

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The the most valuable thing was problem reaction solution?  

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Yes. The knowledge of of and the power of that. Of the of of this formula and how to operate it and the power it can bring you.   Yeah. They use it everywhere. Everything. What's all these false flags? There are all this.   First line, then another line. Oh, here's these 911 towers. These guys, oh, we got to go to war. Boom, boom, bam. And, and look what's happened.   So this is a they use it everywhere,   every time. Okay? And that's what's behind it.   Yep.   Cool.   So and really, when you really get to the high altitude here, that's why the affidavit works right there.  

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Yeah.  

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Now that's got some very interesting ramifications   because we can do the same thing.   We can use the same tools, not just theirs,   now that we understand it. So you could take once you take those two lines that are left and you could do a a a a and build another triangle over them using this baseline that they were using against   us. So it's got all kinds of interesting implications if you noodle on it.   Yeah. It does. So Agreed. You know.   So yeah. So now we change that black, that black baseline to a white baseline. Now now it's freedom. And now we pin them with freedom and group freedom like populism,   or or maybe change the monetary system to gold and or whatever,   not dishonest. And then there's another way you could trap them in in the same   technique.  

It's   complex. Noodle on it.   Yep. So has anybody got any comments on all that?   Did I drive everybody off?  

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Thanks again.   There was a federal Yeah.  

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Alright. Somebody's trying to say something. We can't hardly hear you.   Oh, it it does it if you're sure.  

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Hold on. Without The United States, I think it's eight   US code   at 1746.  

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Oh oh, within and without. Okay. Yeah. The the jurats.   There you go. That's a good one. Thank you. I think that was Alan. Tom,   write down   28 USC   section seventeen forty six   and ask him what the within and without of the   The United States is in that jurat.   You know what a jurat is?   Yes. The penalty of per penalty of perjury. One of them says, I swear under penalty of perjury,   everything   above correct,   according to The United States. Laws of The United States. And the other one says the same thing except The United States Of America. Ask him what the difference is in those.  

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Wouldn't I think he would just say that it's it's if you were outside The US, geographically.  

[01:38:34] Unknown:

Well, the yeah. Well, it's not. It's not geographically. It's politically.   But that's a good suggestion. There there's all these little things. You know?   Alright. Hold on. I can't hear what you're saying. You're real muffled.  

[01:38:50] Unknown:

It's red   in Alabama.  

[01:38:54] Unknown:

It's Okay, Rick. The city,  

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it's without The United States as in the District Of Columbia.  

[01:39:02] Unknown:

Yeah. As I told him, it's political.  

[01:39:05] Unknown:

Correct. Thank you. But how would how can we prove that?   I can prove it.  

[01:39:14] Unknown:

Okay.   Okay.   It's in it's in one spot. This is Dan.  

[01:39:20] Unknown:

It's a Hey, Dan. Well Hey, man. I heard from you in a few Yeah. The Go ahead.  

[01:39:24] Unknown:

No. I think,   that's in the,   it's in the UCC.   It's in the UCC   article nine, and I forget the dang number, but it says the location of the creditor,   United States is in Washington, DC.   It's the only spot I know where they actually say it. And, I remember Brandon Joe Williams, he sent off a FOIA. He did a episode once where he sent off a FOIA   to,   the United States state department asking them where precisely   in the 10 mile square is this thing called United States? Like, is it in a file cabinet? Is it in this, like, Yeah. Four or five couple square miles that's a little bit marshy? What what and they and they wouldn't they answered by saying they they can't answer that, and they won't they're not gonna answer that because it's in a The United States is technically in a filing cabinet in a file. Might be a big file. Might be the whole floor. Might be, you know, a square acre. Who knows? Might be a land mass. It's  

[01:40:26] Unknown:

Roger.   May I?  

[01:40:29] Unknown:

Yeah.   I Anybody? VPNs.   Is that Matt?  

[01:40:35] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. This is Matt.   Yeah. Hey. I just wanted to say,   I I think if Tom actually looks it up,   he will see for himself. It's very clear   that 28 USC seventeen forty six   has two choices.   If executed without The United States,   then you declare,   under penalty of perjury, under the laws of The United States Of America.   That's if it's executed without The United States. And if executed within The United States,   it's territories, possessions, or commonwealths.   Correct. And you just say, I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.   So that's it. And so it makes it very, very clear, and and,   and you can look up the definition of United States.  

It's it's,   it's in in the UCC   nine Dash 307   H. It says The United States is located  

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in the District of Columbia. What was that location? UCC   Article 9 and then  

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9 Dash 307   H.  

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Thank you.  

[01:41:43] Unknown:

He's, he's another one of your fellow Californians,  

[01:41:47] Unknown:

Tom. He's, outside of San Francisco. You Matt, you were what? A big fire chief up there or something at one point? I was a cap fire captain. I I was a whistleblower with the Paradise Fires and some of these fires that are   so yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm retired fire captain.   So anyways   but, so I think that that'll make it very clear, those two things. So I yield.  

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Thank you, Matt.   Yes, Larry.   Go ahead.  

[01:42:15] Unknown:

Yeah. The previous caller to,   to, Matt, who was that?  

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Rich in Alabama  

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in Huntsville. No. Right after Rich.  

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Right? You said you haven't heard from him from a while for a while. Oh, Dan. He was quoting the location. Dan. Dan. Dan. So  

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Dan, it's location of the debtor, not the creditor. Location of the debtor.  

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That would be it. The country's in debt. The federal government's in debt. Okay. Gotcha.   Okay. Who else?   Tom, see what what you've what you've brought forth here today, one little question on one little word intent. Look what has sprung forth. Yes.  

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Yeah. Dave here.   I don't know if you guys covered this, but,   what is it? Section one clause   eight or, article one section   eight clause 17. It says right there that the The US,   the just their jurisdiction only lies within the 10 miles squared   or their, you know, their, forts and,   magazines   and whatever it says, court buildings. That's where their jurisdiction lies.  

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I I got another real good thing that you could toy with. Go   ahead. Who said that?  

[01:43:43] Unknown:

That that's that's where The US is. That's in article one of the constitution   section eight, clause 17.   Read that.  

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Now here's another way you could bird   dog him is because there's one place   they've got to show you what it is,   and that's in the passport application.   So have him go to the passport application   and,   the oath   they've changed the oath since I started teaching this and exposed them, by the way. I think that's pretty good evidence.   And, the oath basically says,   I swear under penalty of perjury,   I am a citizen of The United States,   parenthesis it used to have. They've changed the wording a bit. This is how I saw it initially. K?   I swear under penalty of perjury. I'm a citizen of The United States,   parenthesis,   or a non hyphen citizen national, close parenthesis. Yeah. And have not since acquiring US citizenship,   parenthesis,   or US non citizen nationality,   close parenthesis,   violated any of the acts and conditions   listed on page two of the instructions.  

Parentheses,   unless explanatory   statement is attached.   Mhmm. Close parenthesis.   I swear under penalty of perjury, the foregoing be true and correct.   Why   would they have you   expressly tell you to attach an explanatory   statement on this terms and conditions,   which is, I didn't go over to Thailand and boink any little Thai boys or girls or smuggle any drugs back or do any of those things.   Why would they held you to put an explanatory   statement in the oath when two times in the preceding sentence,   they have mentioned two different political statuses   and they don't tell you shit.  

Why would that happen?   And when I brought this out, they have added to the passport now. There's a master thing. The latest is five   and they the, the person authorizing it reads out the five options to you. A while back, you had to check them. But the last one is, I have read and understand the warning box on page so and so of the instructions.   Yeah. That's what they added to cover their slave and asses.   Okay. So now what's the, what's the warning box? Have you read that? Have you seen that? You did it. You just did a passport. Oh, yeah. It's in both it's in both apps.   Okay. There's another question. Why is it in both the DS 11 and the DS 82?  

Because it's the feudal system and they got to tell you, you can volunteer out and you can volunteer out at any time. That's what that is. The war on drugs. You can attach documentation,   comma,   including affidavits,   blah, blah, blah, but you better not lie. They don't tell you what to attach them for. We're down here in the oath on this boinking little boys and girls in Bangkok, they tell you right there in the oath. Why not the two above it? So see see all these inconsistencies?   But they've got to tell you in that document, you got you can volunteer out because it's considered a public information   gathering request.  

And that's something that came out of God bless it Watergate   and the and and the,   offer of any   paper submitted by any agency to the public to gather information   has to go through an office of budget management and budget, OMB check, to make sure it's all constitutional   and then get a number, which means you can circulate   it. That's why they've gotta tell you. They're telling you right there.   And if your lawyer buddy can't see that,   I don't you just check him, see if he frosts a mirror, and go find somebody else.   Yep.  



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Yeah. Hey. Why would they they tell us to put it in affidavit?   Because an affidavit   stands as court evidence.   And the only way an affidavit can be rebutted is with another affidavit. And they can't rebut it. They won't rebut it, and they don't rebut it. And they never have. And the reason they Bernie, he probably knows all about affidavits. Right? Well, ask him here's another way of approaching it. Ask him if he knows any Jew attorneys  

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and how they think and how they handle their cases. Yeah. Because this is the way they think.   Okay.   And so what we've done is we've exposed it. They've got a lot of power and influence, but they can't overcome your decision on what set of laws you want to live under. That goes back to tell your buddy, ask him if you ever heard of Vatel's law of nations.   That's straight from Vatel.   Every man has a right of personal, political self determination.   How they've handled that is they've gone in and set up a process that says, oh, hey, Tom. You can expatriate.   No   problem. But you gotta jump through these hoops. Well, I need if I hadn't tell you this story, I think I got time.  

You've got a right to go exchange passports for any passport in the world, don't you?   Yeah. Can they stop you from doing that? Only if you don't   meet their requirements.   And you have to have another passport already.   It used to take you could call in the morning and go get it done in the afternoon.   So many people been doing it. It now takes six months or more and costs you thousands of dollars to get it done. Yeah. I'm going to Argentina for the first time and, with my buddy on my visit trip down there. He's coming from Atlanta. I meet him in Miami, and we meet briefly and then go. Every international flight is at the end of the concourse.   So it's way at the end of this long concourse.  

And he gets down there, and he's a seasoned traveler and does his check-in stuff and goes and sits down. I've never done that sort of thing. So I had to go through a little more regimented procedure   to get my boarding pass. And by the time I get finished, I go over and see Riggins, and there's he's talking to this male and female.   And so I sit down with him, and he goes, Roger, I want you to meet so and so and so and so. They're with the embassy in Jamaica.   Oh, hey. Nice to meet you. Well, then they right about that moment, they called their boarding number.   And so they, all seasoned travelers, got up and went on, got on the plane. They got around to me finally. I got on the plane and met my buddy. And so we make the flight. It's a nine hour flight, and, everybody wakes up in the morning. First thing you wanna do is go to the bathroom.  

So, it's a big plane. Go go get one of the portals for the bathroom, and here in front of me is that guy   standing in line to go to the bathroom, and he's a captive audience.   And so we start talking. Then I said,   something about because that was the summer in o seven that the expatriation   thing really spiked.   It'd gone from nothing, hardly do a boom Yeah. And taxes mainly. And so I'm sitting there. I said, boy, there's really a big spike in, like, people   expatriating   the country. And he goes, I know. That's what I do at the embassy.   And I look at him. I said, do you know there's two citizenships   in this country?  

Two forms of citizenship?   And he starts stammering. But but but but but his eyes get about as big as eggs in the bottom of a slop bucket. And he hauls out So he knew? He knew?   He, he didn't tell me. I'm just telling you what happened. He's about one or two people after we've been waiting to get to this bathroom.   And I asked him that question. He noticeably   reacts to it and gets out of line and runs up the aisle. I never saw him again.   Yeah.   And I just discovered this. I had just gotten that passport.   I was in October. I just gotten it   in August or something. It was in o seven.  

And, so,   anyway, he he believe me. He knew. He said now this is what he said. He said,   I wouldn't know anything about that. You're gonna have to ask some of the attorneys up there in Washington.   That was his statement and bam, he's gone.   So, anyway, there there's no doubt what's going on here. And,   it it's another way. You wanna look at it spiritually. Israel was,   the Israelites were in Babylonian   captivity for seventy.   These bastards have got us in Babylonian   captivity for ninety three.   It's about time. It's time to turn it around.   Yeah.  

Julie was trying to say something a minute ago. Jules, what you got?  

[01:52:44] Unknown:

Uh-oh. She got mad. She's probably unmuting her phone. Give her a second.  

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Okay. Hey, Mark. What's your, what's your observation on what we've covered today?  

[01:52:53] Unknown:

Well, it's it's really interesting. This took a little bit for me to get my mind wrapped around   that the   intent   and you're voluntarily   stepping out of that US citizenship   is totally up to you.   And I don't think we touched on the case or to Tiki versus DRC.   No. We didn't. Which was a US Supreme Court case from 1835.   And let me read you this, and then we're gonna tell you the story about I believe it was born in New York that had the phone call with the Oh. The,   the Department of State or the passport office. Yeah. So let's let's let's look I heard that story.   So let's look at Orta Tiki versus DRC.  

The court held this is the US Supreme Court. They held upon the general and abstract question   whether the passport per se   was legal and competent evidence of the fact of citizenship,   we are the opinion that it is not.   Right.   Okay? So even your passport   is not really evidence of your citizenship. It's a representation   of it.   And then, you know, Bob got the you know, was talking to the passport office. I don't know who called whom.   But,   You know, they were trying to give him some pushback, and he's like, do you have my affidavit on file? Yes. It's on file here. And he goes, then I don't care what your passport says.   Now think about that, how powerful that statement is. Mhmm. It's it's almost everything   because only you   can determine   what your citizenship   status is.  

And if you decide that it's your intent   to be a national,  

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there's not a damn thing they can do about it. That case, it finishes out at the end of that little site, which a listener   gave me. Thank you, whoever that you were so many years ago.   It says, if the question the passport is an ex parte document,   just as Mark said, it's a separate document.   But if it is to the act or fact of citizenship,   it should be on what paperwork is in possession of the secretary of state as the higher and better evidence   admissible in court.   So why do we send affidavits to the passport office?   Because he's in charge of passports.  

If you're presenting somebody to a foreign country,   you've got to should the best of your ability present them as what they are. Right?   So that's why they have to recognize   this. Go back to Vatel's law of nations 1750.   All men have the right of personal,   political   self determination.   It's also echoed echoed verbatim   in the UN Charter,   and they have just hidden this old state citizen   under this new label, under all these layer and layer of deception that we've been talking about here today, okay, all for two hours.   And that's how tricky these little slaving bastards are, and they've got to recognize it because they can't overturn it.  

They can't even say no exactly what it says in Afraim versus   Dureausk.   So there's our power, and if there's one thing I've been trying, I'm like Mark, It's taken me many years to get my arms around this mentally, conceptually.   Hey, man. We've got the power. You know what the big picture here is, Tom? The big, big, big picture   I've concluded   is that Esau Edom has done all this to trick us into giving him back the birthright,   and he's been very successful at it. Mhmm.   And we're just taking Roger. And he say no because he got it and acquired it under fraud.   Yes, Dave.  



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I just heard this past week   on it it was either ABC Radio or local radio here in Michigan.   They're bringing back the,   civics   in school,   and they're gonna have the students take   a test to become   a US citizen.  

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I I heard something about their mac monkeying with the, schools. Now, of course, education's all gone   back given back to The States. Maybe the feds have some influence there. It's one of the I thought the birth control pill,   taking prayer out of the schools and getting rid of the 10 commandments   back in the sixties,   man, those are that they they blew three key foundational things out of our culture and society   and has allowed all this to come forward. And the pledge.   Yeah. And look at all what else what else was happening? We talked '54 Brown versus Board of Education,   getting everybody to only have one option,   putting the internal revenue code in play. All those they the the the the the music revolution   that I was such a part of when I was young and influenced by and Free Love and Woodstock and all the rest of it.  

The birth control pill, incredibly important. And look where we are.   Uncontested   divorces   in California,   incredibly important. Fifty fifty custody   laws in in in divorces,   incredibly important. All these things added to the deterioration   of our culture and our society, and look where we are.  

[01:58:26] Unknown:

Yeah. Roger, I think they're doing that citizen test   for the for the students is because of the all the nationals.  

[01:58:35] Unknown:

Alright. Well, I'm not being woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Sorry. I disagree and here's why.   You you're misinterpreting what they're saying. They're gonna teach them to the same level   as somebody who's becoming a naturalized citizen.   Oh, that's right. Forcing them to   Woah. Woah. Woah.   Woah. It does not mean that getting their US citizen because they were a US citizen when they were born.  

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No. That's fraud.  

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Now they're not   fraud.   It's not fraud. It's the feudal system.   Yes, ma'am. It's a feudal system, and they're not taking a test to become a US citizen.   They just want them to be able to pass   the test that's the same one that they give to people who are becoming US citizens. Now try to check that.   Yes. They're they're This point. They want the here's the thing. Woah. Woah.   Hold on. Hold on. What they're saying what they're saying   what they're saying is   that the the people who are becoming naturalized citizens   know more about our government   than kids that are in the public school. It has to do with the education level,   not about citizenship   status.  

And I'm sorry when, you know, I wanted to fight this too,   but under the feudal system,   when you were born,   your parents marked you down as a US citizen and you were a US citizen at birth, period. And and put in bondage.  

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And listen, that may be differentiated   this coming week. One of these huge decisions is on the birthright citizenship thing and everybody that I listened to, whoever's got the water running, could you turn it off? Thank you.   The, one of the things that's really come out, Mark, and I really tend to agree with it, and they all bring, what case, Wong Kim Mark. And Wong Kim Mark's parents   were here when he was born   and they were still I don't believe they were established. Anyway, the hint the thing's gonna hinge on whether the parents of the person born were established or not. As as opposed to if they were a water baby, then that's not gonna count. That's what they're trying to to get all these migrants kicked out. There's   a couple of 100 of the babies that have already been born from the ones that came in illegally.  

Are they citizens of The United States? That's the question, and I think it's no. And I think that's what the Supreme Court's gonna say. And it's based on the fact that, you know, Hwang Kim Ark's parents were established when he was born, and these people aren't. And that's why Trump's trying to get all these people negated and stop that shit. And even,   that real constitutional   professor, they tried to take his license.   And I can't think of his name at the moment. And and that he was saying he's done thorough research on this. He said, I don't know where this came from, but sometime in this time frame we're talking about, fifties and sixties,   they started attaching birthright citizen   to everybody   and not just people of those who were established here already. So this is gonna be a big decision next week. And so I'm sure it's gotta come out this week.  

Hey, Raj. Let's hang up about it. Your lawyer friend your lawyer friend's a bunch too if you explain   this to him and he wants validation, Tom. What, Paul?  

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Sorry about that, but I did not have the end music on. We left Eurofolks  

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thirty seconds ago. So Yeah. I knew it. I was watching the clock.   So anyway,   Tom, see, you you gave us two   hours of programming today. God bless you.  

[02:02:19] Unknown:

That was fast.  

[02:02:20] Unknown:

Thank you. I'd like to just follow-up real quick on Wong Kim Ark.   So the   the the question was, were Wong Kim Ark's parents legal residents?   Wong Kim Ark's parents were considered domiciled   residents of The United States   at the time of his birth,   but they were not lawful permanent residents   as that term is defined today.   So we're talking I forgot how old Wong Kim Ark is. But 1898.   Yeah. So   so his parents were not lawful permanent residents, but they were considered domicile residents, as Roger said, established,   as that term is defined today. This the Supreme Court's ruling in Wong Kim Ark   established   birthright citizenship   under the fourteenth amendment regardless of the parents' immigration   status.  

So this goes right back to what we said earlier   when when Dave was saying, you know, you're born under fraud and you're you're born a national.   No. No. You're you're if you're born on the land   in in The United States and your parents mark you down as a US citizen,   well, guess what?   You're you're born out of the fourteenth amendment, and by birthright   on the soil   of The United States, you're considered a US citizen.  

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Yep. It's all part of the feudal system. It's gonna be challenged next week, and it's gonna be very interesting to see what comes out of them on this. We don't see these issues   that are so important to us   litigated at that level to this degree very often. Okay?   And so it's gonna be very interesting to see their,   Joe, their opinion.  

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Yeah. See if they dance around it too.  

[02:04:11] Unknown:

Yep. So, it's it's there's a couple waiting   and,   big decisions from them to be released. So, anyway, Tom, what else, buddy? You I I I don't know if I can hang much Hey, Roger. I I gotta go.   I gotta go, but I hope everybody has a great day. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Okay. Thank you so much, Mark. We missed you Wednesday, but I think something was going on. So, we'll see you next week.  

[02:04:39] Unknown:

Alright. Take care, everybody. Bye bye. Yep. Ciao.  

[02:04:43] Unknown:

What a nice addition, Mark and Paul and some of the folks as we've stabilized in this format.   And, it's such a joy   to be able to have this kind of discourse on these type of complex subjects with no interruptions in commercials   where we don't lose trains of thought and stuff. And Paul English is a blessing and Paul Beener is a blessing, Mark's a blessing, and all of you are blessings too. And there's something about us that's different   and that's real special. And as a friend of mine said years ago when we were talking about this,   it's been a subject to discussion for decades. He said, you   are the chosen people.  

And that has always made sense to me. We're the truth seekers.   We're God's people. It seems to be the people that this resonates with. It's a spiritual   connection. And even if they're not real spiritual at the time, after they get in and understand this, they become so   exceedingly. Yes, Paul.  

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This is a teaching moment,   especially considering we have new people here.   Because of the audio processing I've added,   any noises in your space   are amplified,   because   it's set to bring up the low voices   to normal and bring down the loud voices to normal.   So,   if your mic is open, if you're talking,   your mic can be open, but please try not to do anything, you know, while you're talking.   And and if you're not talking, if you're not an immediate part,   please press 6 and mute your line again. And for God's sake, don't mow the lawn, don't yell at the neighbors, or do dishes   while your mic is open   because we're gonna hear every single  

[02:06:33] Unknown:

drop of such. Yeah. And I don't mind the interruptions for questions, but   if I'm in, like, the middle of something and intense, wait till I get a pause moment, if you would. Okay?   Because sometimes that throws me off. And that's why I'm so insistent about intermittent, intermittent.   Okay. Anybody else got anything today? Or I'm gonna take off and go get with the expats.   Roger. Good morning,   Oh, there's about three people.  

[02:07:01] Unknown:

Who was the first one? Who was the first one? Scotty Scotty.  

[02:07:04] Unknown:

Yes, Scotty.  

[02:07:06] Unknown:

Yes, Scotty.  

[02:07:07] Unknown:

Boy, I can't believe the quality of this show, and I missed, like, the first half hour. I just tuned in to see what happened with Paul English the other day. The the level quality of this show compiled with with   AI's, you know, dialogue that comes in that I watched the other show the other day because,   Larry did say the small estate without saying it was a small estate.   If you take with this the the links that,   what's his name? No no full caps guy tried to put in the chat and blinks of some of the many things mentioned here.   The ability for this with the transcript from the AI   to teach at   any level, but eat most most for the high level people. This would the the content in this show that wasn't even two hours is, like, 10 times the content of when you were on with,   the the on on, RBM with with the   the Yeah. That runs the RBN.  

I just can't believe   the level of this. They incorporated with the links compiled   with with the transcript.  

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This is going to be able to teach at any level no matter how much Noah don't know. This is really something that's not That might be worth, your thank you. Thank you, Scott. And that might be worth your working, Paul, in setting this one aside. There's a lot of good technical stuff. Okay. Two couple other people wanted me there. Who who were the other?   Okay. Thanks, Scotty. Thank you. You got your results. Thank you. It was relevant.  

[02:08:43] Unknown:

Good lord of mercy.  

[02:08:45] Unknown:

Thank you. Okay. Couple other people wanna say something. Who's that?   Nobody? I'll go. I thought that This is Sketch.   Sketcho.  

[02:08:56] Unknown:

I I hope you're doing well, and please have mercy on me, but, I have to ask the question.   So   I have to preface it that,   I the question is,   can you put property rights into a trust and   You had somebody that owns property rights, you know, US citizen, would it benefit him  

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or or the somebody that You're putting both you're putting both of them into the   truck. You're putting both of you're that should be a question for Mark, first thing I'm gonna tell you. Okay? You've already somebody.   You went through his course, didn't you? You went through his course, didn't you?   Yeah. I I was I was Okay. Well, then he's Mark was still changed so he could enter.   Why do you why do you wanna do this? Why do you wanna do this?  

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Well, I said, please have mercy. I would just ask him the question.  

[02:09:51] Unknown:

I'm well, I'm asking you.   Okay. You got a guy that's a trust expert. You've already been through his class. Why don't you go ask him? I'm not a trust expert. Okay. Why do you do this? I I I I  

[02:10:04] Unknown:

yield. I'm sorry.  

[02:10:06] Unknown:

Okay. I just don't get your motive. Just don't get your because this isn't the first time this has kinda happened. You know? I mean, I'm not shaming you. I'm just asking. Well, you got a trust expert. You got a relationship with him. You you you want you ask him. You want you ask him.  

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I  

[02:10:23] Unknown:

I agree. I agree. I agree. I yield. I yield. Okay. Now my answer to it, I was trying to give you, is you as the grand tour,   I believe you would put example the house   and your right in into the house,   into the trust at the same time. Wouldn't you?   You would put the thing   and the right to it into the same document simultaneously.   Wouldn't you?   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's my answer.  

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K? Okay. I yield. Sorry.   Sorry. I I did say sorry ahead of time.  

[02:10:59] Unknown:

I know. Well, see, you you already knew you're treading on thin ice.   Okay.   Who else?  

[02:11:08] Unknown:

Okay. Now Frank   had his mic open, but he was creating an echo.   I muted him. So, Frank, come on in here if you got a question or comment.  

[02:11:19] Unknown:

But now I can echo and use. Apologize to use.  

[02:11:22] Unknown:

Go ahead, sir. Is it Frank? Go ahead, sir. Is it Frank? Yeah. Thank you, Roger. And and thank you, Paul. And, Paul, I wanna apologize to you. You mentioned him when you went to the after show and to Roger and to the whole, folks here on the call.   Apparently, I'm guilty. My mic must be very sensitive, and I apologize for that call. So I   accidentally turned on my phone when I was driving down the hill to see my brother a week ago, Wednesday,   And I had no clue about it until my brother told me when I arrived at his house that I had my mic on, and you folks were acknowledging me. And based off of what Paul just said going into the after show, I apologize to everybody for that. That's okay. I yield.  

[02:12:02] Unknown:

Thank you, Frank. And, you Rex just lives down the hill from you.   That's interesting. Be my brother Steve.   Oh, your brother Steve. Oh, your brother Steve. Yes, sir.   I've then well, good. Thank you very much. And we're we're all learning. I mean, we don't wanna fuss at anybody, and I know people don't understand. You said these mics are sensitive.   Holy smokes.   They're unbelievably  

[02:12:27] Unknown:

sensitive. Yep. Right. Well, and even more so now   because,   and I and   I don't know if this, like, makes any difference,   to anybody, but   any signals coming in from FCC,   either nine dB too quiet or nine dB too loud are, like, pulled to right in the normal range. So any   small noise   that's going on around you is going to be amplified.  

[02:12:56] Unknown:

Like if you, if you got earbuds in and the microphone's   down the lines and it's on your shirt,   as you move the movement of that thing on your shirt, we can hear it. Oh. So, yeah, they're incredibly sensitive. So okay. Thank you, Frank, so much. And,   who else has got something for me?   Uh-huh. Well, I'm gonna go meet up with Jack and the boys. They are already in session on a brunch.   And I told them I'd just come late. So, anyway, I'll get over and skedaddle doing that, and you folks have a really nice weekend.   And, Tom, thank you so much for being with us today and and and,   spurning all of this. I love these kinds of shows,   and, don't you ever dare apologize for doing it.  

Otherwise, we'll reconvene   Monday morning, same time,   same   everything, I hope, unless the world   comes something happens. If so, we'll do our best to come on the air and talk about it. Was that somebody wanting to say something right there?  

[02:13:58] Unknown:

I I was gonna say have a good day, Roger.  

[02:14:01] Unknown:

Thank you, Marica.   Okay. Go go pet Lulabelle for us, and, we'll see you on Monday.   Gotcha.  

[02:14:09] Unknown:

Thanks, Roger.   Okay. I'm gonna leave   thank you, Sketch. I'm gonna leave the, I'm gonna leave the stream up for at least the next twenty minutes or so. So   if, anybody wants to continue the discussion from this morning,  

[02:14:27] Unknown:

Yep.  

[02:14:28] Unknown:

Feel free.  

[02:14:30] Unknown:

You know, I I'd like to read   a short paragraph   from,   Gross's book. It's called his declaration of independence.   I think it's appropriate   for the content today.   I'm particularly trying to avoid titles, statutes, codes.   Really don't like using their stuff to not be their stuff. So   me being the other stuff.   But and he uses the term expatriation   in   this short paragraph.   And what he's referring to there is the eight the eighteen sixty eight Expatriation   Act, which was passed by Congress by the forty's Congress   one day before the fourteenth amendment became the law of the land.   So here's his declaration of independence.  

I, John or Jane Doe,   in the name of almighty   in the name of the almighty creator,   by my declaration of independence,   solemnly publish and declare   my right to expatriate   absolute   my res entrust to the foreign jurisdiction known as the Municipal Corporation   of the District of Columbia,   a democracy,   and return to the republic.   Any and all   past and present political ties implied   by operational law   or otherwise in trust   with the democracy   is hereby dissolved.   I, John or Jane Doe, have full power to contract,   establish   commerce   as guaranteed   by the full 10 amendments   to the Bill of Rights,   to the Constitution   of The United States Of America,   a republic.  

Now   that's a nice way of saying   I'm no longer one of your slaves   without using statute or code or   titles   that they have come up with.   And it brings it back to   just prior to the fourteenth amendment.   That's why that,   expatriation,   term is in there.   So I yield.  

[02:17:00] Unknown:

Does that declaration imply that there is a foreign trust and that US citizens are a part of it? I yield. Thank you, Samuel.  

[02:17:14] Unknown:

Yeah. One of the things that Bro says is,   be before this crap happened,   you could decide and contract   inside or outside the constitution   by will,   and you never were,   attached by that third   party   in that contract.   Now we have agreed to so many things and are under this new program where there's almost nothing that you can do in this system   that doesn't give you that third party overlord telling you what you do, what you don't do,   etcetera.   And   and like he says,   anytime there's choice, bro says,   that means it's political,   and the courts aren't supposed to make any decisions based on politics,   supposed to be based on law.  

So, anyway,   just thought to throw that out there. Brose is still a good read. It's difficult to understand until you really get   past a bunch of his concepts because   they are foreign to us because we've been brainwashed for so so so so long.   Can't yield.  

[02:18:59] Unknown:

I I have one more question. I was gonna run by Roger, but I'd I'd love to throw it out here and see if anybody wants to weigh in on it.   It's from reading the the handbook, and I noticed at the end, it says that all   positive laws apply to nationals.   And I was just curious if anyone could   explain that or just,   yeah, the mechanics of how that works or why that's true.  

[02:19:51] Unknown:

I think because positive law is considered constitutional.  

[02:19:59] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:20:02] Unknown:

I'll bite.  

[02:20:03] Unknown:

But I thought like the Congress   was representing the states and the union of the states.   And so it's like,   the federal government at that point.  

[02:20:16] Unknown:

Non positive law is done through administrative process.   Mhmm. They have not been   voted on in the house.   They have not also passed the senate.   They have not gone through the waiting period for notice and comment,   and they have not been signed off by the president,   which would then be codified or codified, if you will,   and gone into law whatever the date of that particular bill or whatever says.   Mhmm. But that's positive law. Positive law has a trail and a trace.   Nonpositive law is something administrators make up, and you've heard it a lot. Well, it's policy.   Policy is not law. It's just something somebody dreamed up at 02:00 on a cocktail napkin and everybody agreed to it. Right. Right. That's another way to control you. I'm done.  



[02:21:10] Unknown:

Sheldon,   can you give me an example of of a positive law?  

[02:21:17] Unknown:

How about a capital crime of murder?  

[02:21:22] Unknown:

Okay. What what is it? What do you mean?   Expound.  

[02:21:27] Unknown:

It's not just a state crime.   It's a crime under the corporation.   Because when you kill somebody,   you're killing one of their resources because they're property.   Somebody comes somebody comes up to your car with a baseball bat and does it in the windshield, that's your property.   Well, it's not, but you understand.  

[02:21:47] Unknown:

If it's not registered. Right?   Well,  

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anyway anyway, you get the gist.  

[02:21:55] Unknown:

I think I think positive law has to be enacted by the whole of Congress   Yes. Under constitutional   authorities,   dotting the i's, crossing the t's,   and anything else is nonpositive   law.  

[02:22:10] Unknown:

With the consent of the governed?  

[02:22:13] Unknown:

No.  

[02:22:14] Unknown:

No. They don't need a public. It's a republic. So when you vote for that guy, you you better hope that you got a guy who's gonna do your your will. Right? But  

[02:22:25] Unknown:

Yeah. You better look. Right?  

[02:22:28] Unknown:

Great. Great. The operative word.  

[02:22:32] Unknown:

And is that p r e e y or p r a y?  

[02:22:37] Unknown:

Yeah. There's that old joke about this guy going to church on Sunday. He says, yeah. On Sunday, I go to church to pray with my my   fellow, and from Monday through Saturday, they pray on me.  

[02:22:53] Unknown:

Yow.  

[02:22:54] Unknown:

Question.   When was the first federal   murder crime murder   can't say it. Can't get it out.   When was the first federal murder cases?  

[02:23:16] Unknown:

The first ones tried. I have no idea.   Think about it.  

[02:23:20] Unknown:

Well, something like John Brown, you know, would be. And prior to that, I'm sure there's others. But,  

[02:23:27] Unknown:

Well, how was please   inform me about Don Brown   being tried for what what was he charged with in federally?  

[02:23:40] Unknown:

I think,   insurrection. Right?  

[02:23:46] Unknown:

Attacking I stand I stand to be I stand to be corrected on this, but   thirty years ago, some friends and I and I were having a big discussion about this very issue.   And   what we came up with, the first federal   murder   charges   came   with,  

[02:24:17] Unknown:

well, Washington charged people with   so will Washington also charge the Whisker Rebellion   heads   with death but commuted   the the sentences?  

[02:24:29] Unknown:

Because he couldn't.   There were no federal statutes,   federal statutes against murder, I think, clear up until the sixties.  

[02:24:39] Unknown:

Well, that might be Maybe it's maybe it's an army of 20,000,   people who were gonna enforce anything George said.  

[02:24:48] Unknown:

Now we're talking about following the laws, Samuel.  

[02:24:51] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:24:53] Unknown:

Now we're not talking about we're not talking about doing   that,   which, you know, there's times that is appropriate, I would think.   But so far as federal statute   for murder, I'd   I stand to be corrected, but I think you'll find it was in the fifties or sixties.   And it may have even been later than that, the hate crimes.   You know, there was a big uproar when they started talking about hate crimes,   and those are cap federal capital offenses.   But prior to that, I don't think there were any.  

[02:25:33] Unknown:

Well, the constitution says you could've been hung for treason. Right?  

[02:25:39] Unknown:

But that's not murder.   Okay. And I I would agree that is,   that's true, and I think it should be enforced.   And Lindsey Graham will be right at the top.   Yeah.  

[02:25:56] Unknown:

I think it's actually hanged for treason.  

[02:26:02] Unknown:

I don't know what you meant.  

[02:26:08] Unknown:

So   Hung by the neck until dead.  

[02:26:13] Unknown:

That sounds good to me.  

[02:26:16] Unknown:

Let's let's dig up McCain.  

[02:26:20] Unknown:

Yes. There would've been another good example.   There's a whole mutiny of them that that, have committed treason, but,   you know, I don't care how bad you are anymore. There's there's too much complexity there. They're never gonna hang anybody up there anymore   through the courts, anyway.  

[02:26:40] Unknown:

Yeah. The the problem with that, what goes around comes around, and both sides are   steeped in it.  

[02:26:46] Unknown:

Yes. They are. Yeah. The court may may hang one of us, but not one of them.  

[02:26:57] Unknown:

That's true. Hitler is still on the loose.  

[02:27:01] Unknown:

She is, and so is Willie.  

[02:27:08] Unknown:

And a couple thousand  

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more.  

[02:27:16] Unknown:

Yeah. But don't cross them or you'll be  

[02:27:18] Unknown:

don't cross them or you'll be suicided. I'm sorry. Go ahead.  

[02:27:22] Unknown:

Joe McCarthy was right.  

[02:27:34] Unknown:

In in what manner?  

[02:27:39] Unknown:

In a whole bunch of manner, but, primarily,   they're turning the government over to the communist.  

[02:27:47] Unknown:

Right.  

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And everybody the media and everybody else laughed and congress laughed him out of and the schools   laughed him into   being a hucksters   or whatever,   but he was telling the truth.  

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I don't know if it was in the book of the hundreds or Bros. Pieces. I can't   remember anymore, but in there's one of those two,   the statement was made that we were communist a hundred years before the Russians even heard about the term.  

[02:28:27] Unknown:

With the civil war,   you mean?  

[02:28:33] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, you know, Lincoln Lincoln with a pen pal of Karl Marx, and they and they they were running his editorials.   I think something like 3,000 of them over several years.   And then there's these,   these these two guys that Bruce talks about that I've never heard about before, Foyer and,   I don't know what the I forget the other guy's name.   Both these guys were pushing,   socialism, which is basically communism   way early on in the country, and that's one of the reasons judge Story   wanted to make sure that he got the,   the,   eerie or, the   the Swift versus Tyson case   in law to protect us from that kind of,   torture,  

[02:29:26] Unknown:

through law.  

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And,  

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the,   48 ers that apparently   came from   the, some type of revolution in 1848   from Germany,   were those   the   were they the ones that were revolutionaries   that were defeated,   that came over to The United States and then   infiltrated or   got,   hired into   the   federal government that eventually became the bluebellies in the,   war between the states?  

[02:30:16] Unknown:

Yep. And most of those, I guess, were German.   In fact, that's that's the era of my first relative coming over here from Germany,   and I've I've tried to find out if he had any political views. Doesn't appear that he did,   but he came out   around 1840s,   and left his wife behind for some reason. Maybe she was on the other side. I don't know.   Unfortunately,   a a lot of documents were destroyed in World War one and World War two and   the parts of Germany that,   they were from.   So it's hard to get a lot of good concrete evidence on who these people out of these people were and   what their leanings were politically and why they   moved to The United States.  

A lot of lot of them just moved because they were sick of wars and strife and killing each other all the time, which they still seem to be wanting to do today.   So   without any understandable  

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reason.  

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Barbarians,   that's   you know, you are of your father, Satan.   You know? I believe that Cain was,   you know, the spawn of Satan and,   he was sent off to   to breed an army against us.  

[02:32:29] Unknown:

Yeah. The whole reason for World War one and World War two is because France and,   England were jealous of what Germany was doing   and never wanted it ever   to be united with Russia.   And look what they're doing now,   blowing up the pipelines   and   creating war.   And that's right now, I think the main perpetrator behind all of that is really England.  

[02:33:12] Unknown:

Anybody wanna talk about notices?  

[02:33:18] Unknown:

Open open forum. Go for it.  

[02:33:22] Unknown:

Well, I'm getting ready to do my Washington notices,   and I'm getting ready to use a firm book for the first time. Anybody use a firm book before   for the postal service?  

[02:33:40] Unknown:

Oh, that thing. Yeah.   No. I've never used it.  

[02:33:46] Unknown:

Wow.   My understanding, you can save a lot of money by   doing your notices and having   your certified   return receipts   all in one of those firm book pages,   multiple notices to all the different agencies.   My take is   you would wanna do every single one you can possibly imagine   for that state so you wouldn't have to go back and   do an addendum or an additional one, just get it all done at once. I was just curious   if any of you guys have noticed this experience.  

[02:34:25] Unknown:

Do you have the solicitor general on your list?  

[02:34:29] Unknown:

No. But I will.   It's in Washington state.  

[02:34:34] Unknown:

Sherry brought that up,   and I looked into the solicitor general, and   that may well be a very good place for us. It it seems to be different state to state what their authorities are.   But in general, it looks like they have a lot to say about what constitutional   law is,   let's say, be state and the federal government,   which would make it sort of critical for, you know, serving our paperwork   to the proper authorities. I think   they might fit that bill. So  

[02:35:10] Unknown:

I understand.  

[02:35:14] Unknown:

Anybody have you have any of you been on,   nationalstatus.info   and checked out Dave and Kaye's information?   That's where I did my sample affidavit   to the secretary of state, Lincoln,   back in July.   That was just curious.   Alright. I yield.  

[02:35:57] Unknown:

Sorry about that. Get on that firm book because that's one of those things   that nobody knows about, not even the employees in the post office,   And that's gonna go by the wayside. What's this? Oh, we haven't used that in decades. Let's get rid of it.   And watch these things slowly evaporate.   I've it's happened with other things. I see it happening with this too.   Just like pro se, they want you to go out and hire an attorney. They want you to go hire somebody from their own team.   And   when people start going pro se, even though it's, written everywhere,   watch that dissolve in another three, four decades. I'm done.  



[02:36:53] Unknown:

I got a question. I brought up the fact that they wanna bring back civics and have the students take a US citizen test.   You think that's a good thing or a bad thing? Mark thinks it's a good thing because they want they want the students to know more about the government than the foreigners do, whatever.   I disagree with that. I   personally believe if they got them saying they're US citizens because their mama did and they took a test,   that's gonna be even harder to convince them that they're nationals.   Anybody?  



[02:37:36] Unknown:

Steve, you're talking about a bunch of But but going from the rainbow  

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telling guys to wear dresses,   then now they're gonna teach civics. It's still   indoctrination no matter what it is. There's nothing good about it that's being told from above what they gotta do. They're getting paid. So it's all a bunch of nothing is what I'm saying. It's not gonna be anything good is what I'm saying. It's just some  

[02:37:58] Unknown:

Thank you.  

[02:38:00] Unknown:

Distraction, cover some asses,   and make as you're saying, to confuse, to keep people from learning   what's important, which would actually be not what you're gonna learn at school.  

[02:38:15] Unknown:

Thank you. I agree.   I think, George, were were you gonna say something about that?   Well, I got a question. Samuel mentioned republic.   You know, does anybody know when and if we were ever really a republic?  

[02:38:46] Unknown:

When they when they sing the star spangled banner.   The guy with the notices,   what did he wanna put notices into?  

[02:39:03] Unknown:

Probably for those few feet until Franklin got in his buggy and rode away after the meeting.  

[02:39:10] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm at the notices   stage   where I have to notice all of my   state and local officials that I'm now a national. I'm on I'm out from underneath their jurisdiction.   So I  

[02:39:28] Unknown:

there is a,   Roger had a thing where   let me go find it.   One second. Go ahead.  

[02:39:46] Unknown:

Yeah. I just wanted to see if any of you guys have ever used one of the firm books because I haven't read the in the instructions yet.  

[02:39:55] Unknown:

L three.  

[02:39:56] Unknown:

L l three. She was the one who brought that up.   I don't think she's here or she probably would have stepped in and talked about it, but she uses Matt.   And she'd be the one to talk to about that. So so this this is Matt. Can you guys hear me? I've I've I was mute. Yeah. We hear you. Yeah. So, I tried speaking of her a lot of background noise. Somebody's making a sandwich or wrapping it up and something, but it's pretty loud. Go ahead, Matt.  

[02:40:23] Unknown:

Yeah. So I I've got a firm book here. I used it for years,   doing all my notices. I've got let's see. But it was starting back in, like, I don't know, 2020,   I think, something like that. And so I've got   they're pretty thick. They're like it's like an inch thick, and I've got I've done it about at least a quarter of it. So quite a few notices I sent with it, but,   you know, it's only ever gonna be good if I end up going to court to prove that I sent it. So other than that,   it's pretty simple to use,   and it's it would save you money. I it could save you money or maybe it did save me money. I probably did save me money.   But,   whatever. I've stopped using it. I've stopped using it. I don't use it anymore,   and I've never been to court needing it for needing to prove that I've sent anything as of yet. So   it's just easier for me just to send stuff either certified or registered instead of dealing with it.  

But I have it here, and I can explain how to use it if need be or whatever.   So I yield.  

[02:41:31] Unknown:

I understand what you're saying.   It's not really   a financially   gonna break me matter.   I was just   because when I sent the affidavit to this SOS,   it was   certified mail, return receipt, and I'm one of the guys that never got a screen card back. I had to get just get the proof off the USPS website.   I'm also wondering if I should go ahead and just send the new one to the new secretary of state since I haven't done anything else yet,   but that's probably not a good idea.   Anyways  

[02:42:08] Unknown:

Hi. This is Chris from California.   I recommend that you always send everything by registered mail  

[02:42:18] Unknown:

instead of certified?  

[02:42:19] Unknown:

There's this thing of holding court by registered mail. Registered mail has a chain of custody.   Certified does not. It's very sloppy and unreliable.   Registered mail is completely reliable. There's a chain of custody   with everybody who touches it and moves it. It's under lock and key.   It gives you a court record.   Stay with registered mail. It's worth the price.  

[02:42:47] Unknown:

I found my notice.   I could read it to you guys.   Notice legal waffle.   Notice to the principal.   Notice to the agent.   Notice to the agent.   Notice to the principal.   Please find enclosed citizenship   evidence   now on file with the United States Department,   of state secretary of state of The United States Of America.   Please place this firmly and permanently   in your administrative   file.   Please adjust your actions and   agent's actions accordingly.   That's good. Hugs and kisses, Alan Sahara.   Those And I send it to   I send it to IRS.   I sent it secretary of state of The United States. That was I sent it to the attorney general of Indiana,   IRS commissioner,   Stark County sheriff,   Stark Star   County coroner,   Stark County Health Department But what's the   Stark County prosecutor,   legislator,   Knox, city court.  

I'll be right back.  

[02:44:13] Unknown:

Please tell me about Stephanie.   Answer to the six  

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You should not have put hugs and kisses,   period.   That is not gonna work well for you.  

[02:44:28] Unknown:

Anyway   Right. I said to put that  

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I've heard Roger say to put that, he was probably being facetious, but that could be considered a solicitation.  

[02:44:40] Unknown:

Paul Paul did that, and it did not work well for him.  

[02:44:45] Unknown:

I also sent it to the DMV commissioner,   and also to the FBI, NCIS,   and   NCIC.   And   the last   since,   2009   when I bought a firearm   because of   the,   documents they put in after the after the,   collapse of the towers,   I had to wait   five days waiting period to get a firearm.   I couldn't get it that day.   And since I sent this to the FBI, NCIS,   NCIC,   The last,   I did it. About a year and a half ago, I did my affidavit, and I sent all this stuff out.   The last five firearms I bought in the last year and a half,   I had no waiting period. They gave me the firearm right away because   as a national, they don't have jurisdiction over me anymore.  

And even my   my firearms guy said, I can't believe you don't have the weight anymore. And I told him why. Because I filed my affidavit   as a national.  

[02:46:09] Unknown:

Why don't you make your own firearms?  

[02:46:14] Unknown:

I'm not a machinist. And,  

[02:46:16] Unknown:

You you don't have to be a machinist.   All you needed basically was wood shop, and I think you're old enough to have had wood shop and used a router.  

[02:46:28] Unknown:

Okay.   It's called an 80.   Have you heard of that? Yep.   So the the the receiver part   of the firearm is the firearm.   That's why you could have barrels and triggers and all kinds of stuff   directly mailed to you. But the receiver, the actual firearm,   you could buy in 80%,   and that means that it's 80% constructed,   and it just needs one other one or two other steps   to complete it that it becomes an actual firearm. For example, you may have to go buy a certain size drill bit, and then you have to drill, like, where they have it, like, marked and,   you know, and then insert something there or whatever.  

And, then it becomes a 100%   validated firearm.   And,   you know, then you don't have to register it. There's no   you created it, basically.  

[02:47:27] Unknown:

When when you buy the eighties percent, they give you the drills and everything with it and the and the,   form you put it in, but you need a drill press helps   to do it.  

[02:47:40] Unknown:

It's called a lower, 80% lower.  

[02:47:43] Unknown:

Those are   those are $50   at the pawn shop   or liquidation   store,   the drill press.  

[02:47:53] Unknown:

The gentleman that got I'm   sorry, Brent. Go ahead.  

[02:47:57] Unknown:

Or you can spend a $100   over at low down dirties or a home rip off.  

[02:48:06] Unknown:

The gentleman that got these firearms within a day,   would you please do yourself and a lot of people a favor   and   come on the show your Tuesday or Wednesday during showtime?   The this has to be documented. You're the first that's that's done this. More people need to know about this. Thank you. I've mentioned it on the show before. I I will, though.   Okay. I must have been something. Do you need to have Thank you. A concealed,  

[02:48:34] Unknown:

Sorry, Sheldon. Alan, do you have a concealed   carry permit?  

[02:48:40] Unknown:

I did get one from the state of Indiana when they were free about eleven years ago.   And it's fired?   Pardon? No. It's it's a lifetime one. It's a lifetime one. Yeah. But not a state of Indiana. Time ones? Oh. This yeah. The state of Indiana passed a a law that if you're a on a citizen, you don't need a permit to conceal carry in Indiana.  

[02:49:06] Unknown:

If you're a what?  

[02:49:07] Unknown:

If you're a legal citizen,   and don't have a criminal record, you can carry in the state of Indiana   without a per   Florida, I think, has the same Florida has the same thing.  

[02:49:25] Unknown:

So I don't have a   concealed carry, but I heard that if you had one,   you they bypass that five day   wait period because you've already been vetted. So  

[02:49:38] Unknown:

Dave, you that may not be cool, but I don't I don't know if you're gonna take a national or not.  

[02:49:44] Unknown:

Yeah. Not anymore.   When when nine eleven happened   before nine eleven, I used to get my guns right away.   After nine eleven, I had a five day waiting period.   And now since I sent my   notice,   to the   FBI   NCIS NCIS,   the,   no waiting period anymore   because they don't have jurisdiction over a national.  

[02:50:19] Unknown:

I'd like to throw something in there since we switched over to firearms.   Go ahead.   I I've I've told this the radio show before that I went into the local sportsman's warehouse in Chewallop, Washington.   I did their their procedure   of standing there doing your hunter safety first before he were able to proceed to try to purchase it   and gave them my,   you know, my affidavit.   But they don't contact the FBI. They contact the ATF.   The ATF said that now that I'm a national, I need to get a nonresident   daily   something.   Just kinda curious. My plan is once I get my notices all out, like that previous gentleman that has sent his to the FBI NCIS,   whatever.  

That part of my   individuals that will be noticed will also be   the ATF.   I know that they're all under the Department of State, I believe, and Department of Justice.   So I'm just   my mind has wandered towards not only   officials that are gonna be at notice, but the feds also.   Not you.  

[02:51:35] Unknown:

Does anybody know the best place to get an 80%?   Where's the best place to get an 80%?  

[02:51:46] Unknown:

Just put in 80percent.com,   and and and website will come up, I think.  

[02:51:50] Unknown:

There are several places. Delta Team Tactical   out of   Utah has them.   They tend to be a affordable price, a lot more affordable.   Gorillamachining.com   has them. They're out of Florida.   You'll have it in a week,   and several others.   80%   arms.   Okay. Kinds of places.  

[02:52:18] Unknown:

I would first check your restrictions on your state as to whether 80% lowers   are available   in your state because,   I live in New York,   and New York is on every single damn list there is for the prohibition and inhibition   of obtaining firearm parts.  

[02:52:39] Unknown:

New York doesn't allow you to do anything, Paul.  

[02:52:41] Unknown:

I know. I know.  

[02:52:44] Unknown:

What are you still there for?  

[02:52:47] Unknown:

Tell me about that, sir. Pretty sure that when you if you go to buy that at any, website   and you put your address in, they won't ship it if it's in a restricted state.  

[02:52:58] Unknown:

Yeah. And if you live if your billing address   is   in a restricted state, they still won't sell it to you even if you have it shipped to another address.  

[02:53:13] Unknown:

Who's the gentleman in that I know who wants a firearm without a waiting period. What what's his name?  

[02:53:18] Unknown:

Alan.   I'm really surprised.  

[02:53:22] Unknown:

I'm really surprised, Alan, because   from what you read in your affidavit, that was not properly formed,   and   they could have punched holes in it if they wanted to. Particularly, your agency notification,   it's notice to agent is notice to principal, notice to principal is notice to agent.   That's one thing,   and it's supposed to be placed as firmly and permanently in my administrative   file. You said your administrative   file.   So I don't know how they interpreted that, whether or not they have a master administrative file that covers everybody. I just don't get it. Signing it hugs and kisses   is antagonistic,   and it and it is in keeping   with   a righteous, indignant attitude   that, well, you bastards enslaved me. Now I know what you're going on. Now I know what's going on, and I'm here to tell you I ain't that. So hugs and kisses, son of bitch. I'm out of here.  

You know, righteous indignation, that kinda works, but it's still gonna piss them off.   Anyways, that that was just my 2¢.  

[02:54:35] Unknown:

Could   you read your affidavit one more time, and then can you go over quickly   how you walked out with a firearm   without any waiting period, please? Thank you. Right.  

[02:54:48] Unknown:

Please.   Because I'm surprised that worked. Notice  

[02:54:52] Unknown:

to the principal,   notice to the agent,   notice to the agent, notice to the principal.   Please find enclosed   citizenship   citizenship evidence   now on file with   US Department of State secretary of state   of The United States Of America.   That that would be my affidavit I sent to the secretary of state of The United States.   Please place this firmly and permanently   in my   administrative   file.   Please adjust your actions   and   agents' actions accordingly.   Hugs and kisses, Alan Sahara.   And then   I did send it to the FBI,   NCIS   CIA   or NCIC   and the,   what is the the what's the one with the   firearms?  



[02:56:09] Unknown:

ATF.  

[02:56:10] Unknown:

ATF.   ATF.   I did send it to ATF also.   And since then, I don't have the waiting period.   Year and a half now.   If you go to the website,   after this show is posted,   there's a transcript there,   and you just scroll down to the bottom,   of the show, and   what I said is on the transcript.  

[02:56:41] Unknown:

Well, it certainly will be as soon as the show goes off air.  

[02:56:46] Unknown:

Yes. And and, Paul, you know, by him not saying notice to   is notice,   He's just saying that he's sending a notice to the principal, a notice to the agent, a notice to the agent, and a notice to the principal. Right?  

[02:57:02] Unknown:

Yeah. I guess. That's what I said. But which agent? I said that.  

[02:57:07] Unknown:

But which agent did you send it to? See, that's the thing.   No. That's the thing. Well You know, notice to principal,   notice to agent. Hang on. Hang on. Let me say let me say this. Notice to principal, notice to agent.   Okay?   By saying notice to principal is notice to agent,   all you have to do is notice the principal, and then all the other agents   are covered.   Notice to agent is notice to principal.   Any agent that's been noticed   automatically goes up the chain to the principal.   Now that would work if you sent one to every single employee of every single agency   in every single state   because you would have to notice the agents individually.  



[02:57:57] Unknown:

I did. I I I did the IRS commission. I did the secretary of state of The United States.   I did,   attorney general of Indiana,   IRS commissioner,   state,   Star County sheriff.   I did,   Star County coroner.  

[02:58:17] Unknown:

I know. I know. I know. I heard the list. I heard the list. Okay. But the but the the complete directive is notice to principal is notice to agent.   Notice to agent is notice to principal   because you're making a claim. You're making a declaration,   a demand as it were. But you don't ask  

[02:58:39] Unknown:

questions in a notice. He asked them to put it in their file, so it's a good thing he didn't put the notice because he asked the question.   You don't ask questions with a notice.  

[02:58:49] Unknown:

If I may well, we're doing a critique here.   You didn't notice   put on notice the corporation.   You said United States Of America.   You should've just stopped at United States because United States Of America is where you're headed back to,   but it's probably immaterial since it works. I'm done. You could say United States Inc.   Yeah. Yeah. Be much better.  

[02:59:17] Unknown:

Mhmm. Now like I said,   it's it's all well and good that that worked, but I'm really, really surprised that that form   worked. I'm really surprised.  

[02:59:29] Unknown:

So good on you. I got I got this notice,   you know,   verbiage off of,   Roger's website.  

[02:59:39] Unknown:

No. You didn't.   Not with the missing word is.   No. You didn't.  

[02:59:46] Unknown:

I thought I did. Anyway Uh-uh.  

[02:59:50] Unknown:

Is everybody having,   audio issues?  

[02:59:56] Unknown:

Well, yeah. There's There's just me.   There's there's just there's somebody unmuted and there's, like, a little bit of noise, a little bit of echo, whatever, and it would be canceling out,   it would be canceling out people.   Like, Larry's unmuted, but I know he's muted locally.   Dave is unmuted.   Brent is unmuted.  

[03:00:19] Unknown:

Let's see. Yeah. I'm trying to say something.   Okay. That audio problem, Dave.  

[03:00:29] Unknown:

Okay. And Alan is unmuted as well.   So any noise at any one of those people in the background will interfere with the person who's speaking. I'm just saying.   It's the nature of the beast. Sorry about that.  

[03:00:45] Unknown:

Okay.   This is Larry. Allen,   so you walked into a an FFL,   and then tell us what happened.   How you walked out of there with a firearm?  

[03:00:56] Unknown:

Yes.   The same dealer that I've been dealing with for the last   three years, and he couldn't believe I didn't have the waiting period.  

[03:01:10] Unknown:

So he did a background check, and he just said, you know, it looks like the information is telling me to just hand you the firearm.   Yes.   And you didn't have this, convenience   before   you sent your notices?  

[03:01:31] Unknown:

Right.   Or my affidavit.   Because I sent my affidavit with the notices.  

[03:01:41] Unknown:

And that's all you did? You didn't you didn't try to present your passport when you were there or anything else. You just walked in there and said, I wanna buy a firearm, and here's my affidavit.   And then they phoned whoever they phoned, and then they handed you the firearm.  

[03:01:57] Unknown:

Yes. Yeah. They they got a form you fill out. I forget what the number of the form is.   And they check it with,   with the,   FBI or whoever, ATF,   and ATF says give him the gun.  

[03:02:13] Unknown:

We've had a prior relationship with this gentleman for however many years, so he knows you were an upstanding citizen. So he was on your he was in your cabin from the get go. That's good. Yep. Yes. Yeah. He was.  

[03:02:26] Unknown:

But nothing he could do about it. They told him to wait five days.  

[03:02:34] Unknown:

So it was not it was absolutely   100%   not because this this, shop owner   knew you,   because before   you sent in your notices,   he had a he told you you you have to wait a few days,   per law. And then after you sent in your notices,   everything changed, and he was even surprised. Was that his reaction too?  

[03:03:01] Unknown:

Yes.   And I told him what I did, and he couldn't believe it.   But the last five firearms I bought,   I look on the Internet, and I get them for a real good price, so I buy a few. And   he he he just   does the he does what the ATF tells him to do. Give me my firearms.  

[03:03:24] Unknown:

So you could buy firearms online, and then you have them shipped to this store, and then you just walk right in there and grab them?  

[03:03:32] Unknown:

Yes.  

[03:03:34] Unknown:

Wow. That's pretty impressive.  

[03:03:37] Unknown:

Yep.   You go to, gungunbrokers.com.   There's three or four websites that sell.   You can buy firearms over the Internet. They shoot them to your FFL,   and then your FFL does the background check, and   you get firm.   The last the last thing I bought the last thing I bought was a   a target rifle.   What's the name of the company?   Anyway, it's it's it's a thousand yard   rifle  

[03:04:14] Unknown:

and,  

[03:04:17] Unknown:

starts with an s.   Anyway, it was like $950   retail   at the at the factory.   I went on Gunbrokers.   I got it for $700.   A guy in Florida bought about six or eight of them and discounted them. I got it for $700.   He sent it to my FFL,   and   I went in.   The FFL did the background check. Gave me the rifle.  

[03:04:45] Unknown:

Did you, did you used used to have a permit, like,   a a per because if you have a permit with the state,   you can go in there and there's no waiting period in most states. Not not not in Indiana.  

[03:04:58] Unknown:

Not since 09/11.  

[03:05:01] Unknown:

Was this under Biden or Trump or both?   Did you do your purchases   under Biden   or Trump or both?  

[03:05:18] Unknown:

The last year and a half has been under Trump.  

[03:05:23] Unknown:

Well,   past five months is under Trump,   but it was under Biden also.  

[03:05:31] Unknown:

Okay. Alright. So under under under Biden also. Yeah. Because it's been a year and a half I've been buying. I had this, where I don't have the waiting period.  

[03:05:40] Unknown:

How do you,   do you do you, carry a a firearm with you and you don't   even bother?   Roger teaches we don't need permit.  

[03:05:55] Unknown:

Well, Indiana, you don't need a permit now.  

[03:05:58] Unknown:

Have you had a permit in the past?  

[03:06:01] Unknown:

Yeah. About fifteen or   sixteen years ago, they had free permits, lifetime permits, and I did get one.  

[03:06:08] Unknown:

Okay. So   now you do you not have a permit and just carry a firearm for personal protection   because you know as a national, you can do that.   Is that correct?  

[03:06:22] Unknown:

Yeah. I do. I I do have the permit, and I do carry.   But like I say,   Indiana,   you you tell a cop you have a firearm on you, and he'll   say,   where is it? And you you tell him where it's at, and,   he'll,   take it in his position. His   his,   the last time I got stopped,   they asked me, if I had a firearm. He says, yeah. He says, keep your   hands on the wheel till we get,   backup.   So then they when I got out of the van, they took the firearm out of my pocket.   And and when,   they were done with everything,   the the cop gave me the firearm back because   it's legal to carry a firearm in Indiana without a permit.  



[03:07:23] Unknown:

So you said you have a permit, but it's it's legal   to carry one without one. So then why do you have one?  

[03:07:32] Unknown:

It's a lifetime one, and it's it's it's,   it's,   forever.   Because I told him I had a permit, and, he says, well, you don't need one in Indiana anymore.   And,   whatever.  

[03:07:55] Unknown:

This is immaterial, and you don't have to answer. What'd you get stopped for? Were they just out fishing, or did you have the headlight out?  

[03:08:02] Unknown:

I had, no plates, no insurance,   and went to court on it.   Let's see.  

[03:08:15] Unknown:

Okay. You want a buzz? Cool. I thought it might have been something more innocuous. Congratulations,   man.  

[03:08:23] Unknown:

What the hell is it?  

[03:08:25] Unknown:

So you when you said you had a firearm and they saw you had no plates, no insurance,   no wonder they asked for backup.  

[03:08:34] Unknown:

No. They they confiscated my vehicle. That's what they wanted the backup for.   The ticket was for,   Operating a motor vehicle without financial   responsibility,   registration, or displacement of registration.   Displaying   this registration.  

[03:09:03] Unknown:

And then What's the outcome of that trial   or that court case?  

[03:09:11] Unknown:

What happened was,   I sent in some paperwork,   and they don't have that heavy.   Oh, here.   I read this on on before.   I sent in paperwork to the court.   If you wanna send paperwork to the court, you send it to the court recorder, the   clerk of the court   with the case number,   on file and put this into my case.   And   I called the district attorney   four days before the trial   and asked them, is there still gonna be a trial? I wanted to get a extension.   He says, no. We sent out subpoenas,   to the witnesses,   which was the officer,   and you have to be at the trial. And it was, I think, two Wednesdays ago.  

And,   so I went to the trial,   and,   I didn't see the cop there. But before,   before the trial, I went and gave,   a notice to the   clerk of the court, and I just put this in my file, which she did.   And it says, as a national,   with god given constitutional   protected rights,   not a citizen of The United States,   in a condition of voluntary servitude   under the scope of the fourteenth amendment,   article 13,   section   one, neither slavery nor involuntary   servitude   has been   can't read my own writing.   Has been,   a a b a l a s u t,   abolished.  

[03:11:20] Unknown:

Common law.  

[03:11:22] Unknown:

Common law. No harm, loss, injury   to a man or woman.   I have a right to travel freely   and encumbered pursuant   to Shapiro versus Thompson.   The right is so basic. It does not even need to be mentioned.   The state of Indiana abruptly   and wrongfully converted my right into a privilege and issued a license   plate and a fee for it.   Murdoch versus   Pennsylvania   says no state can convert a secured right into   a privilege and issue a license   and fee for it.   And if they do,   Shuttlesworth   versus Birmingham, Alabama   says I can't ignore the license   and engage in the right with   impunity.  

That means you cannot punish I since I   rely on privileges,   previous decisions of the United States Supreme Court   and on the constitutional   defense for   willfulness.   I am   I am immune   to the prosecution,   and therefore, the prosecution   does not have cause of action   for which relief can be granted   by a man   motion   for dismissal with prejudice   for failure to state a claim of action   for which relief cannot be granted,   I would require   to collect my cost and cease having to defend this   frivolous case complaint.   When I went to court,   they told the cop to stay home.  

And the judge found me,   not guilty   and, free to go.   They didn't wanna put this on the record.  

[03:13:34] Unknown:

So they told you they told this the cop to stay home?  

[03:13:39] Unknown:

He wasn't there.   The the the the   the judge asked the state's attorney,   where's where's the police officer?   He mumbled, and I didn't hear what he said. And the judge said, oh, okay.   And then he said, well,   since the state has no evidence of,   against you,   you're found not guilty and free to go.  

[03:14:05] Unknown:

Did you, send your documents when you filed them in the court,   under the case number? Did you send copies to the prosecutor   and to the police officer or just the the prosecutor?   Or did you just file them with the court?  

[03:14:19] Unknown:

I filed them with the court in my case, and the prosecutor, the judge,   everybody gets a a   whatever I filed in there, they all get a copy of it.   The the, court recorder sends that to them.  

[03:14:35] Unknown:

Did they did they give you your costs and pay for your,   your,   vehicle   in, in Hock, whatever they call that?  

[03:14:46] Unknown:

Last last week, well, about   four or five days ago, I did send a letter to the judge a notice   that I wanna get my property back,   and, I should not acquire any fees. I'm gonna call on Monday and see what he's doing on They should pay you for renting it.   Well, I'm I'm do you wanna add that?   I sent in my fee schedule with it. So I'm   whatever he when I get my vehicle back, I'm gonna send him my fee schedule   and add a bunch of probably about   well, part of my fee schedule is if they take my property, 10% of my value per   day. And my van is worth about $10, so they're gonna owe me   for two months a grand a grand a day.  

Still in process.   Progress.  

[03:15:51] Unknown:

Now if they refuse that, you may you may need to go up the chain to a higher court   and appeal it. No problem. Just so you know. That's probably what I would do.  

[03:16:02] Unknown:

Yep.  

[03:16:04] Unknown:

And just kinda learn as you go. You know?  

[03:16:07] Unknown:

Yep.  

[03:16:12] Unknown:

So they had your vehicle for two months and your firearm.  

[03:16:17] Unknown:

No. They gave me back the firearm.   Once the truck dropped me off at the truck stop to go   on 30,   he gave me my firearm back.  

[03:16:30] Unknown:

You mean he took your car and then   you got in the front seat or the back seat,   and he took you to a to a truck stop and dropped you off?  

[03:16:41] Unknown:

Front seat.   Yes.   So I could get a ride home.  

[03:16:52] Unknown:

That's pretty impressive. Did you tell Roger this story?  

[03:16:55] Unknown:

Yeah. I I've said this before on the on the show.  

[03:17:01] Unknown:

In the I would have remembered this story.   Gosh. I wonder what else It was,  

[03:17:08] Unknown:

Roger's show,   about three Wednesdays ago.   Towards the end of the show.  

[03:17:15] Unknown:

Front seat. You got VIP treatment, man.  

[03:17:20] Unknown:

Not yet.   I didn't get a check yet.  

[03:17:24] Unknown:

Well, I don't I think the $60,000   is a pipe dream personally, but I think they're gonna give you something just so you leave them alone.  

[03:17:33] Unknown:

They want you gone, but you already know that. And I can still file against the cops for false   arrest because I was found not guilty,   and I could take them in federal court   under,   53   I think fifty three eleven.   It states that,   if if you interfere with a national, you can get six months in jail and fined.   So if I take the the four officers that took my property to court,   federal   court, as a man, not as an officer,   I think they're gonna settle with me before we go to court.  

[03:18:12] Unknown:

Also, the towing company,   is liable as well. They they didn't have right to tow that your van.  

[03:18:20] Unknown:

And, also, I have a law in I found a law in Indiana   that,   the tow towing companies cannot charge more than $1,500   in fees for for,   possession of a vehicle.   And, they're charging me more than $1,500,   and I gotta assume on that also.   Got a bunch of lawsuits to do.   It's fun in my old age.  

[03:19:02] Unknown:

Trust me. They keep you young.  

[03:19:05] Unknown:

Yep.   Alright. Talk to you guys later.  

[03:19:48] Unknown:

Hey. Good morning, Sheldon.  

[03:19:54] Unknown:

Hey, buddy. How are you doing? Great, I guess.  

[03:19:58] Unknown:

Living living the dream.  

[03:19:59] Unknown:

Yes. You are.  

[03:20:02] Unknown:

I'm, I came back Sunday morning from The Philippines, by the way.  

[03:20:06] Unknown:

Oh, good.  

[03:20:07] Unknown:

But who is that guy that who was the older gentleman that's going through the traffic stuff and having   the speed schedule and everything?  

[03:20:16] Unknown:

He didn't get his name, but, you know, your   your guys there at   wherever it is where you come in on, you ought to be on a first name basis with them by now in in both countries.  

[03:20:30] Unknown:

Talk about Philippines or Sportsman's Warehouse.  

[03:20:34] Unknown:

No. The Philippines.  

[03:20:36] Unknown:

His name was Alan. Alan with an s. I didn't get the last name   from Indiana.  

[03:20:43] Unknown:

Alright.   Alan with an s from Indiana.   So, anyway,   what do you guys think about once I do get off my ass and get my notices in   that I'm gonna go to to Sperston's warehouse   warehouse corporate first   so that they'll already be premade   aware of it in Puyallup, Washington   and then see what happens.  

[03:21:11] Unknown:

Good idea.  

[03:21:13] Unknown:

Yeah. That's what I'm thinking.  

[03:21:17] Unknown:

A good a good plan of action is go ahead. Go ahead.  

[03:21:22] Unknown:

A good plan of action   is for some people, they start at the bottom. The other ones start at the top and trickle their way down. If I can possibly pull it off, I start at the top and the bottom, and, hopefully, somewhere in the middle, this is gonna cross one person's desk twice.   Then then I'll know that that that's gonna get their attention,   and it has worked. I mean, I can't prove that it hasn't worked, but it it seems to be working. I'm done.  

[03:21:51] Unknown:

Yeah. A lot of people think that   their voice doesn't matter,   but it only takes one person to change the world. You know what I mean?   Prime example of yeah.   A prime example is dealing with health. A prime example is dealing with, like, a a medical claim for my son in The Philippines   that happened, you know, over a year ago.   And, people that administrate   the fund saying that they get over a 100 calls a day, and there's only two of them working on our fund.   Well,   go into the   the hall and having them deal with it, that's gonna get their attention   because people will just   put you on a back burner and don't care because they don't think they have to. That's all. I hope.  

But, yeah, you gotta know you gotta learn what you're doing before you start messing with this stuff. You gotta take the time and actually read things, which I'm lazy at and kinda know all about it. But I'm I'm I'm I'm all in, though.  

[03:23:02] Unknown:

Anyway  

[03:23:04] Unknown:

Is that Victor?   Yes, sir.   Yeah. When you send your notices   to the ATF, FBI, or whatever   and everybody else, the prosecutor,   I would before you go buy a gun, I'd I'd give it some time to cure. Like,   at least wait a month before you go buy a gun. That way,   it goes through whatever,   you know, processing at these different agencies, you know, because it's gotta go from the mail room and then   get to the person that it needs to get to, and then they have to be in their office to read it. So I I would at least wait a little bit before I, you know, go purchase a gun right off the bat.  

[03:23:47] Unknown:

Yeah. That's definitely good advice, and I obviously have no problem waiting   to do things.   Yeah. Good advice.   I just wanted to I the only reason for doing it in the first place   is just to see what happened, honestly. Just to see how it worked.   And I got to find out.   A big corporate   chain store like Swartzman's Warehouse, they have their procedure.   I just tryna present them with a different procedure, basically.   High yield.  

[03:24:23] Unknown:

You know, it's, Brent and Dave and the Summer here, The the guys who go back to when Daryl Daryl was one of the first ones of us to, go into a gun dealer that knew him well.   And when he went through the process with them, they were like, you get nah. They're not gonna give you this.   And Daryl says, well, you know,   try me. Try them. See what happens.   Now I don't know if you guys remember that   we're part of that, whether   Daryl got his gun right away or or still waited three days,   but they definitely told him to sell him the gun. I remember that   as a national.  

So   throw that out there.  

[03:25:15] Unknown:

Did Daryl use his passport, Samuel?  

[03:25:32] Unknown:

You know, I'm not sure what he used for ID. I would assume   he had that.   Probably just had his ID   and filled in the form as a national, I would assume. But I don't know that that was ever disclosed. The other guys might remember,   like Daryl, maybe Dave and the Sun,   or no,   Sprint, I meant.  

[03:26:07] Unknown:

My memory is about as good as yours.  

[03:26:30] Unknown:

Yeah. As I remember it, you know,   chief gun dealer didn't think that if he checked national, he was gonna even get anything. That's   quite a while ago too.   They'll refuse you just for doing that. Right?   But I guess it that meant the option was on the form.   And the I guess the gun dealer probably never saw anybody check that before. Right? So he was like, well, that's not gonna work. I've never seen anybody check   you're a noncitizen or whatever was the situation in that form   for that day.   But, yeah, I guess we have to have Daryl to really know.  

[03:27:11] Unknown:

You know, there is another thing.   We've already been told that nonresident   aliens, particularly   illegals,   that,   went to purchase firearms,   They were told   they could purchase them without limitation.   The FFLs were told to sell them the gun.   So   something fundamentally   changed when the illegals started flooding into this country   that might have affected,   the, the waiver of the five day waiting period.   You know what I mean?   Okay. Well, I think that's about it for today's show.   This has been the Radio Ranch with Prodger Sales, including an after show discussion.   That was very interesting and informative.  

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[03:29:22] Unknown:

Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the   castle.