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In this episode of the Radio Ranch, host Roger Sayles is joined by John Kasarab and other guests to discuss a wide range of topics. The conversation kicks off with a discussion about the challenges of maintaining a podcast and the technical aspects of broadcasting. The hosts also delve into the intricacies of citizenship status, particularly focusing on the distinction between U.S. citizens and nationals, and the implications of these statuses on legal and financial matters.

The episode also touches on the historical and legal aspects of the U.S. Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, and the impact of the 14th Amendment. The hosts explore the concept of "allodial title" and its significance in property rights, as well as the role of allegiance and protection in the context of citizenship. Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in a lively discussion about the importance of understanding one's legal status and the potential benefits of reclaiming national status. The episode concludes with a reflection on the importance of community and collaboration in navigating complex legal landscapes.

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There we go. On the day after Easter here, we're gonna try and take another two hour stab and see if we can accomplish anything in those areas, and it is the April   21.   And, Roger Sales, we got John Casara along with us this morning. And,   Radio Ranch is the name of our get together. I think on this day, on the Monday of the week, we,   have somewhat of a full compliment of,   folks that are helping us extend our reach. Paul, I'll let you be the judge of that. If you could identify them and we can give them proper credit for their help.  

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Well, actually   actually, today, we just have eurofolkradio.com   and Global Voice Radio Network.   WDR   productions is doing some studio work.   And   we're working on ramping up adding a number of different platforms, and a lot of   a lot of moving pieces have to be put in place for that to happen. We're trying to get it done this weekend,   but,   you know, with the holiday and all that, you know, it just kind of put us behind the eight pole.   Our website is   our website is thematrixdocs.com,   and you can find the eurofolkradio.com   link, the global voice radio link,   and the free conference call link. You can actually join us live on the show. There's a bunch of other stuff on our website too. Just kinda pack a lunch, stay the day, baby.  



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Yeah, man. Down.  

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Alright. Well, we'll see what this week brings here.   Interesting times.   John's back with us. And,   of course, down here where I live, John, you know, is predominantly Catholic. And,   so,   they   probably,   adhere to the,   to the protocol more than other places. But I went out Friday, most of the businesses were closed. Saturday,   I don't even think I heard a car go along the street. That   my apartment backs up to the street,   that day. And then, of course, it is the whole weekend's been very slow, and, that's understandable.   So   I think we've got this what two or three weeks ago, we had the basketball tournament. And last week, we had the masters, the masters. And this week, we had Easter. So I think   what do we got clear sailing here for nine days until Mayday?  



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What a way to put it.  

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It's still the the Satan's  

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No. Fireworks are going on in Washington, man.  

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Yeah. Oh, I'm sure they are there. Yes. They're they're boy, I guess. There's a lot of really cool things happening too. John, now you went out and and,   did a stint in Vegas for about a week here. Week four last, you were out there hanging out with Mark and and Brent and and some Barbabas. How was that? How'd you find out about that? Well, you told me you were going week before last. Okay. I I can't tell you how  

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we had high level discussions,   I I mean, between Mark and Brent and his friend James.   I just had a blast.  

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Okay. Fantastic. Well, I figured you would if you got with those two characters. Of course, you're a rib. I went to the I got to eat ribs every day.  

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That that was great.  

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Alright. And,   which, which which casino were you hanging out at? Which, buffet?  

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Well, no. There are no buffets anymore.   What?   Buffets are gone.  

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In the in the casinos in Vegas? Oh, right. Oh, boy. You can tell it's been a long time since I was up there. When did that happen?  

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Well, I don't know. I think Martin knew more about it than we did.   We went to a couple of local places that were affiliated with the, Ellis Island group.   They're very famous for their barbecue, and apparently, they've   got work with different clubs and different restaurants in the area to spread their barbecue products so you can kind of order them. And we went to the village pub quite a bit and,   you know, sat there and just   covered every topic under the Sun. I I mean, I learned a lot.   It was just just, just a great blast.   Mark took us down   to,   downtown.  

We went down there.  

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I had asked you guys if you could try and get Yeah. We did. Eat at Binion's for John because that was John's favorite place, but he the reason it was his favorite place was that big buffet. Did Binion's not have a buffet?  

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No.   No kidding. We we went as close as we could to it downtown.  

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Yeah.  

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And,   what a mess that is.   I'm sure. And we had some good ribs there Uh-huh. And talk. And then we went out and walked around.   This is downtown where they got the covering that they put together,   you know, because the downtown almost died until they kind of revamped it and changed the way it was. And there's this walk of down the center street   that,   and and the light shows   and the noise and the widows  

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Uh-huh.  

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And the freaks are  

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just freaking everywhere. Freaks and Harrys tell me where's Sanity? Oh my god. The one in Downtown Vegas. Right?   Not like it used to be. Like like I remember it. You know? That is, that's really startling to me, John. I thought that was a staple of Vegas as an attraction where all those food buffets. So they must have all gotten together and said we're losing money on this. We need to make a change.  

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Well, I'm not sure exactly what was what it was all about, but we looked pretty hard, and Mark, really tried to check it out as much. So we went to the little place close as possible to it   and   remembered those guys   and had a good time. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.   Yeah.   It was great, but it was so weird out there.   I mean, it's hard to describe.   You just have to see it.  

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Las Vegas, weird? You think it's hard to describe?  

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Yes.   This this   maybe Mark can give you a good description of it. I   I I can't. It's just it's just surreal.  

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I mean, we'll query him on Wednesday. He's usually hanging around on Wednesday and Saturday. He was with us Saturday. So And Well, I'm really proud for you, man, that you guys all got to meet up out there. That's very special when something like that happens and Oh, yeah. That you're able to, set it up. Yeah. My takeaway?  

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I was glad to get back here. Yeah. What? Sure, Paul. My takeaway from that whole bit  

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is I don't wanna be anywhere near Vegas if somebody from LA   thinks it's weird.  

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Hey. Yeah. Well, good point.   I I'm I'm over I don't gamble, so I like to watch people gamble. But, I'll go out there and hit some of those good buffets they used to have,   but not my not my type of town, really.  

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Well, they're   in Vegas is not Vegas like it used to be. You've got all these different subdivisions that were there, but they're now really developed and overdeveloped.  

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Oh, you're overdeveloped.   It's been way too hot a housing market.   Right. So You know, at some point, couple of years ago when the housing bust was, that they were doing,   auctions where you sell a house on the courthouse steps. And there were so many, they were doing them twenty four hours a day.  

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Well, there were there were those, and then there were people that just wanted to get out and have their own auctions.  

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I guess. I guess. They are not my type   of town. I know it's fun for, you know, whatever. I'll go see some shows, all that.   Different for just a little bit, and I'm over it. So anyway Well I made it home and back in one piece, John. Yeah. It it going down there, I went for the fixed meeting first.  

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And Brent and I hung out and we were talking all kinds of things.   And   then I went over to the meeting to learn about what they're doing. And that's quite a company.   That company has   been designed, it was put together about a year ago.   The guys are very experienced in terms of doing marketing and doing business out there, but   everybody   seemed to go through a period in which they all had major problems.   In the big room, they had about 600 people there this time. And they asked the question, how many here have had   a,   what do you call it, like an emergency or or a complete change in their their way of life or their family and everything,   faced faced problems they never expected to face?  

And almost every hand went up there in that 600 people.   And,   the company itself   is based on an MLM concept, but they wanted to have a company in which they   owned the product,   pretty much controlled it from the beginning and had to be exclusive   products that you couldn't get anywhere else. And they had to be first rate all documented kinds of things. And   they didn't know where all this was going to come, but it finally started showing up when the fix was dropped in their lap. And now they have four other products   that were dropped in their lap that they're bringing to market in which, again, they have exclusive   worldwide rights to and nobody else has it   and they're revolutionary products. And the other thing is the documentation behind everything they're bringing out, you got medical doctors that have been waiting for some of this stuff that knew about it   and wondered where it had gone   with the research.  

And so   it was just astounding to listen to these guys. There's a Nobel laureate who was,   nominated twice   for the work he's done,   And he has joined the company for all the future products. And I just kind of found out why because I'm reading a book about nitric oxide by Nathan Bryan   who was instrumental in developing,   the value of nitric oxide which nobody really knew about until it was discovered by three guys who who actually did win the Nobel Prize for the discovery of nitric oxide.   But this guy   came out of nowhere as a kid and,   his whole story and the battle that he did to develop nitric oxide to find out that it is absolutely   a hormone and it also is critical   to all of our metabolic functions.  

And one of the reasons that we all have these problems   is because   they bastardized our food in such a way   and our medicine in such a way as to restrict the production of nitric oxide.   I mean, this is an unbelievable weekend for me. I mean, I was just   digging into this stuff.   So there's a lot of great things coming out of this country. It's got a lot to do with your inside of your, veins vessel, blood vessels too, doesn't it? It has every single thing that goes on in your body Mhmm. Is needed. And what they've done is they've convinced everybody to destroy   the the pathways. There's only two pathways that your body develops, the nitric oxide.  

And the main one starts with your mouth.   If you're using   any kind of thing that so called freshen your breath,   that mouthwashes   and stuff like that,   they're killing the beginning of your ability to even generate nitric oxide.  

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Okay.  

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And yet it is it controls all your vascular   stuff and all a whole bunch of other processes in your body. Mhmm.   Yeah. It's really amazing.  

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I remember in the back in my youth in the drug days,   and you could go buy nitric oxide in these poppers. Do y'all remember those?  

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No. I don't.  

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We the the little thing, like, with   salts in it when you pop it in front of your nose and it wakes you up was like one of those. I don't think they knew that that   no. That wasn't nitric oxide. That was well, that's that's how you bought it over the counter.  

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Well, but anyway It was a product called laughing gas kind of stuff.  

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Amyl nitrate.  

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Amyl nitrate. There you go.   There you go. Thank you.   So you can see how long ago that was, how fuzzy my memory is. But, anyway, you put one of those things and smell it, and in about fifteen seconds, you got run over by a train.   Basically.   If you did too many of them, you'd have a hell of a headache, I can tell you. So, anyway, like I said, young and foolish.   Well, cool, John. Glad you got over there. Got exposed to some cool stuff, and, you're back safe and sound. Yeah. Back in the LA area.  

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Okay. Well, I'm I don't know how safe it should be over here. I'm not sure which is safe or something.   And then Other than that, Vegas Vegas is pretty normal because it's Anderson. I I went to a Walmart over there to get some stuff that I needed, a car a cord.   I forgot one of   my cords for, you know, my sound stuff.   And, I walked in that Walmart and I could not believe the size. The Walmarts over there are twice the size they are here in California.   Unbelievable.   Unbelievable. And  

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Well, there's a curse of a corporation, isn't it? Yeah.  

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And, they got a whole bunch of,   hamburger joints there, In N Out.  

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So we won't I think I gotta think old man Walt and Sam would be just,   aghast at what his   his children have done with that company. I mean, but you're proud for the growth, but you go in, you ruin everything. I mean,   nope.  

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So Yeah. They they they they really kill a lot of little towns. They destroy towns. They destroy towns. K? Yeah. So, unfortunately,  

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maybe that's churning a little bit. We'll see.  

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And And I didn't get a traffic ticket. That was great. That's fantastic. Now what's the story on that? Are you still in limbo on that? Oh, yeah. I now I've gotta get busy and start working on it. And, Mark was helping me out a little bit with it too. I see. And   that's coming up on May 10. So we'll still have to do that. Days away, basically. Because that they don't wanna recognize my status at all. And it it's my fault because I never sent out my notices.  

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Well, it may you may that may not have made any difference. There's still a lot of people that just flat don't wanna believe this. I don't know how or why, but it's pretty obvious to me that they're not the ones that are supposed to know it. And now something I haven't gotten in years, I got a jury summons here.  

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Oh, goody.  

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Well, I'll bet you they react to it.   I'm sure they will when I tell them. I gotta have to send a note to them. Tell them. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna use your member of Fiji or this is a good one. I can't be a member of your jury pool because I'm a national,   and whoever's being tried would not get a jury of their peers.  

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That's a fact. One. Guys?   Well, I   you know, with Peter Nees, he had a code that he used. It was it was not any of the codes that I remember, and I can't remember what he put on there.   He had a specific code section that he used. Oh, I see.  

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You just send them the you send them your PHEJA   handbook.   Say, does this still qualify me?   I mean, you know, the audience may not we haven't talked about this in a while.   But Harvey, we haven't seen Harvey in a while. Sure I've had him on my mind, though. I'm gonna have to reach out to him.   Harvey Weishong and I. Hey. He'll be getting he'll have you making yogurt just like he's having all the rest of us make yogurt. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Probably. He's got I've got some of that here. I just had dove dove into it.   But, Harvey and I,   he was the head of Fiji. That's how I met him and heard him on the radio one night. And, he copied his phone number down. And Brent, I'll tell you what, Brent would like this. It was because I remember I was going on 75 North, and he was on w g GST   being interviewed. And he was giving out his phone number, and I pulled over to write it down right, where we used to have across from the hotel. We used to have all those meetings at. Anyway,   Harvey,   well, hell now. I forgot what I was gonna say. I got all involved in that stupid Roger.  

Harvey and I, he was the head of Fijia in Atlanta,   and,   we shut down the Richard B Russell Building.   That's the federal building right down by the Omni and where the Mercedes Benz   dome is where you see all the sporting events and events from is right there. Yeah. And,   we went in the parking lot and just started handing out feature brochures. And damned if they didn't shut down the whole damn Richard B Russell Federal Building. Wow. That's how scared they are of that.  

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I gotta tell you that, Mark was real interesting. He was out there   way on the outskirts of Henderson and,   you know, an old, old part of Vegas, you know, just little tiny houses and stuff. And he found   a, what do you call it,   where   you bed and breakfast kind of thing. I mean, you had a little apartment.   What do they call that organization when you rent the place? Doctor. Airbnb?  

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Yeah.   Airbnb. Doctor. Yeah.  

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And,   these guys had developed these single units.   And I was driving along and getting way out there. And I was saying, what what's Mark doing way out here? You know, I couldn't I was surprised.   So but anyway, there he there was parking and he walked in. He had this great little apartment out there, and   it was just fantastic. He had everything he needed and he had damn good air conditioning.   That's important there. That's the important part.   But,   he   was ensconced in there and   having having a good time out there. He was out there for quite a while, but,   he managed to make it for dinner every time we went for dinner. That was cool.  



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Well, that's cool. Yeah. I know Mark lived out there for a few years. I'm not sure how many, but a few. So he likes to go back out there and probably has friends there, etc. Oh, he did. We met Jameson,  

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James, his friend James who   is,   I'm surprised he's not on the show periodically, but he's doing some major work out there   in   getting people out of problems.   He does a little bit of everything on the legal side, you know, kind of like Mark.   But he's involved with some really interesting cases   that he helps people out with. Cool. Cool. Yeah. You know, it would prod you to fit right in. It's too bad. We were Oh. But, you know, we wish you were with us. Well, I'm sure I'd had a good time with you, you fine fellows.  

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So, anyway, we're glad you went. Glad you grew. Glad you're back.   Yeah. Me too. Well, I bet. Yeah. It's nice to go. It's always nice to get back. Oh, absolutely.   So all night, guys.  

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Okay. Hold on. Paul's got something he needs to tell. Well, I got something, and and this is just just one more thing, and then I will completely stop. I will absolutely positively stop, and I will never mention this again.   But when, John brought up nitric oxide,   it it triggered my memory, and and I remembered   that   the absolute   positive   deal breaker for methylene blue for me   was that it inhibits   nitric oxide.   Methylene blue increases   methylene blue increases blood pressure and myocardial functions in septic shock mainly by inhibiting nitric oxide.   However,   a dose dependency of methylene blue has not been established. Therefore, the compound is currently used as a rescue treatment   only.  

And, let's see. Does methylene blue affect nitric oxide? Methylene blue causes superoxide   ions to be produced, which would normally oxidize endogenous nitric oxide and block the oxide's effect.   The large excesses of nitric oxide from oxygenous   sources inhaled swamps this effect.   Effect of methylene blue on vasodilator   action of inhaled nitric oxide.   Prolonged use could increase the risk of serotonin   syndrome, a potentially life threatening condition characterized   by agitation,   rapid heart rate, and confusion.  

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You can't really inhale with nitric oxide.  

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I did not No. He's talking about methylene blue. I know. I did not I didn't need to go any further than that   Okay. To put it back to you. Different choice.  

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It been it's been out there topically every day on Jones and some other shows and a lot of doctors chiming in and all kind of other things. And I none of them have mentioned any of that, Paul, but that may be important to people. So Paul, has,  

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let us know. There are situations   where you can use something temporarily for some purpose   and not continue a continuous use.  

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Right. Well, I am a I am a firm proponent.   Have it in the house. Have it around   just in case. It's like   a colloidal silver or MMS. It's just another thing that you have in your medicine chest   for use in the proper   time and the proper dose.   Exposure to high levels of methylene blue increases the risk of numerous health risks among humans, some of which include respiratory distress,   that would be really bad for me,   abdominal   disorders,   blindness,   that would be really bad for Roger,   gastrointestinal   disease,   and psychological   dysfunction.  

Well, you know, I've been taking methylene blue forever. That's why I'm such a nutcase.   Psychological   dysfunction. Anyways.   Okay. Now like I said, I will never say another word   about methylene blue. I've made my case.  

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Okay. Hope some of that info,  

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help. I love you, Raj. That's why I'm I I try to look up for it. Well, okay, Paul. Well, I appreciate that, certainly. But,  

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but like I said,   even doctors and stuff are prescribing it to their patients, and nobody's brought any of this negative stuff out or call   I had this effect. I'm suing you.   The company that makes it doesn't put out any disclaimers.   Wouldn't you think if all that was terrible, they'd have to put some disclaimers out? It's not prescription.   So, anyway, take that for whatever. Do your own research. Make your own decision.   Fair enough.  

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Somebody just sent me a bunch of research on,   methylene blue and the problems with it.   But there's problems that you you overdose or you,   you know, you you can you can mess up anything, really.  

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Well, I think moderation is the key to almost everything unless it's just something you shouldn't be doing at all anyway. Yeah.   But   it,   it makes me feel great, and, I sure do like it. So, anyway, there we are.  

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Mhmm. It's good.  

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Let's see what else. There's a lot going on,   John.   The,   the thing with Leticia jay James, you know all about that and all that stuff?   Yeah. That's that's fantastic. I think that's gonna break real quick. They're gonna spank her real hard,   which she needs to be.   And,   as not only for, the things that she's done, but for example, for others, obviously. But they're sideshows.  

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Where Yeah. I know. They're not doing the stuff that they were elected to do.   And Pam Bondi and Right.   Cash are   not ripping out   people in that administration   that,  

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you know, see, here's the difference in the two sides. They will use the law like they've used it in the last four years.   And then our people get in there, and they're trying to follow protocol and do this. You can't you're not gonna you wouldn't wanna bring a big   indictment   against somebody. First of all, Pam Bondi can't do it. It's gotta go through a grand jury and come back with a true bill and all the rest of the stuff that would precede it   if it well, all the proper protocol, if you will. They're the ones that don't use the proper protocol.   But, anyway, it takes time. I mean, I I understand that. I understand the frustration. I'm hearing everybody bitch about it.  

But Pam can't go out and write an indictment for,   mayor. No. But she can fire a lot of the people that are in there and bring in new people. Well, now I I agree with that, but then they gotta hire brand new people and send them all through all that training and stuff. So, they're in kind of a predicament in the fact that the Democrats,   the evil empire just piles it on no matter how deep. You know?   And you gotta go back and try and deal with that and the other things that are happening   presently and   and just they got they got a lot on their plate. I mean, I understand the frustration.   I'd like to see the Epstein stuff. Why? They've got they they got so many. They got so much Epstein stuff, John. They've got it farmed out all over the country, and they've got a a bunch of agents working on it. But they said we had no idea how many of these women were gonna be involved, and they can't go out and release anything until they go research all that stuff to make sure no one's getting exposed.  

So,   again, it's the volume. Do you know do you know how much I've seen the stuff they found?  

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Well, no. Not not really. I'm just saying I'm a I'm a tell you. 13  

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terabytes.  

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Wow.  

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Terabytes. Still, we have congress. It's it's not going after in launching investigations   on on Apex.  

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Apex   got congress at their beck and call.   Not all of them, obviously, but certainly some of them. The,   I did hear one, I thought, very promising thing,   from inside the, administration   on the Iran stuff.  

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I mentioned it the other day. Schiff's still walking around. I I don't get it. Who? Who? Peter Schiff? Yeah. Or where is he walking? He's in  

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Puerto Rico, isn't  

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he? I don't know where he's at right now. All I know I think he's in Puerto Rico. In Congress.  

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Peter Schiff is in Congress?   Yeah. Well, I didn't know that.  

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Congressman Schiff, the guy the liar from out here in California?  

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Oh, no. That's not Peter Schiff.   I know who you're talking about, though. What's his name? What's his first name? Pencil neck Schiff.   Oh, yeah. Adam.   Adam. Thank you. Adam Schiff. Okay. Yeah. Well, they went in,   and because they were already doing research on charging him,   and they went in on his side   and somehow compromised the head guy that was doing the investigations or in charge of it, and they had him chain they got him changed out or something. So he went after the people that were coming after him inside   up there wherever it is inside the senate or something.  

Anyway,   Yeah. There's a lot of them out there. I wish to hell they would, but they're not gonna just start grabbing them off the street.   You know, listen. That what was it? 1929   in Shanghai?   They just went and grabbed communists and took them in the street and put a bullet in their head. Is that what you'd,  

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propose? Oh, absolutely not. But I I look at all the guys that, this Russia hoax, all the liars Yep. In that. They're not they're not doing any investigations on any of that stuff. Well, you don't know that.   Well They did they did because some real important information just came out on that recently. I don't remember what You know, Mike Davis to the article three project has been pretty, pretty loud about it, and Tom Fitton is in there starting to have to sue, go after information. I know. Thank god Tom Fitton is around. Well, he's good, and and and Clayman seems to be good. And,  

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I I think they're flat overwhelmed.   The volume of these   crimes   and scams   and and everything is gotta be overwhelming.  

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Well, it certainly is. I'm sure it is.   But you've gotta do something to put the, put them in a hot seat. Yep.   So Look at all the perjury that went on about the Russia hoax.   Nothing's happening. They're not bringing anybody up. They're not even launching any investigations.  

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What? Now again, you don't know that.  

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Well, I do from the standpoint that Mike Davis from article three project, who's a very much an insider in Washington DC and the court system says so. You have Tom Fitton that says so. You got Bannon out there, screaming about They're not inside  

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DOJ. I mean, they probably got maybe connections, but I have a feeling some of those things are already being investigated.   I just think they're overwhelmed. I would be.  

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Well, that you're a nice guy. These guys aren't.  

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No. No. I would be overwhelmed with the sheer volume of what they've done and trying to, you know, decide where the hell to start. I would think you'd be full of glee, man. Oh, you got all these things you can hit is targets.  

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So let's see. Well, I understand. But again, where do you where do you start? You know? I'll tell you one. Shift, for one, right there. Everybody   that signed that letter that said that   that,   a thing,   that computer from, Biden's son was,   Russia disinformation.   Everyone had to sign that letter right there.  

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All there you are. There's a starting list right there. Okay. Well, whatever. We'll see how they progress. A lot of people are very frustrated,   understandably.   They've got a pretty big task over there, all of them together.  

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So we'll just see how it turns out, man. Yeah. And now I'm also tired of, people that they're they're doing the second amendment stuff, and they're all proud about what they're doing with the second amendment, but they're still doing permits.  

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I know. I well, I've been frustrated about that for years. Where are the gun people here?   This is the total answer to their all their all their frustrations   and challenges and everything else. The the sole answer, and, buddy, I challenge you to try and get one of their attention. I can't do it. And I've been doing trying it for years.   Don't know, my friend. It's a strange world. That's why I tell all of you folks that are listening to this, that are on the forum, and here we go. And I wanna tell you, you know, I you hear me say how special you are to me. Me. This is why.   And when you get out and start trying to tell people this message,   you're gonna experience   the same thing, and then you'll know   why I say that.  



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Yeah.  

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It's unbelievable   to me that you can put this it's so clear.   It's just nothing but the old bait and switch.   And and and you put it in front of people all day long, and they just either can't or won't see it, man. I don't know. And you in the court, you know, like, when I went up for for this commissioner Yeah. Well, they just hell ain't gonna listen.  

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No. No. She just said stop right there and know where you're going and know all about it. My court date says May 10.   I   wanna   hear   it.   Well, that gives us opportunity to do  

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Well, it's,   We can go after him, on paper now. Well, that's why we need more and more people to, get be aware of this and strengthen our numbers, and,   eventually, we'll overcome that. Okay? Yeah. But right now, it would, like the the magistrate in Birmingham with Michael Nail. I just I still shake my head over that one.   Sure do. So anybody in the audience got something they wanna comment on or bring forward here this morning, Monday morning with John and Raj?  

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Yeah. Roger.   Yeah.   Yeah. I,   you know, if Trump just gets Iran right here   shortly and then,   Gaza and   gets a decent out for the   Ukraine thing,   if that's all he can get done here in the next few months, I'd be a happy camper and forget about all these other little things because   they're not gonna sink us as a country.  

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Well, I don't he's   already turned off the Israeli attack on Iran at this point. Mhmm. It's gonna go in two years ago.  

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I hope I hope that's true, but it looks like she's still yelling on that.  

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Supposedly,   we'll find out more this week. It's been the Easter weekend. By the way, did anybody see his Easter speech last Friday?  

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Who's?   Trump.   No. I didn't. I haven't seen it. Absolutely  

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fantastic.   And for those of you who say Trump is a Jew, I challenge you to go listen to that and come back and tell me that.   K?   So,   what has happened with Iran   is half of the cabinet stood up and said no to Netanyahu and the rabid Zionist.   Good. Now that's a positive,   folks, because they're all over the administration.   But the secretary, I can't remember what her name is, Millie or Wiley or something,   Vance,   Tulsi Gabbard,   and,   I think,   the DOD guy all said no on attack   bombing Iran.   And, boy, they were over there pushing it hot and heavy. And so when they turned that down, they said, no. We're gonna try and do negotiation.   I think,   the negotiator guy, I can't call his name, was over there this weekend in Rome. I think they were negotiating over the weekend,   over Easter weekend.  

Well, it's a Jew and an Arab, so I guess it didn't affect them.   And,   but they pulled that back, and they looks like I heard   at some point in the last couple of days that there's gonna just scrap Ukraine.   It's almost   unfixable.  

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So that I think it was great that he started doing meetings without Zelensky and,   BB.  

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Yo. Absolutely.   Oh, we got and so that was very positive   that they didn't control the administration   and Trump to the point of   out of this last gasp of trying to   they wanna bomb Iran. They wanna use us. They say they wanna participate too, I guess.   But, of course, they wanna use us.   And, you got a brand right there at the crossroads of the world.   Friend of them. Allies, hold on, John, are China   and Russia, and both of them are critical allies.   Okay?   And we are allied with these little bastard Zionists,   and all of it is using the that part of the world, India, Myanmar,   China   as manufacturing   hubs and then some sort of a distribution chain   to go   west   through Iran   and over onto the either Europe   or or the other way with China Belt And Road. So   it's,   it's a hell of a pivotal g geographical point, man, geopolitically.  

With all the oil that goes through the Strait Of Hormuz and all the rest of that stuff, it's just a real powder keg.   So  

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hope for the best. Pray for the best, sir. Well, it does. And I mean, I've been aware of Iran since,   in the seventies because a friend of mine's father is in the air force, and they were actually living in Iran, you know, after they put the Shah in. Yeah. And,   Iran was getting real progressive, the hijabs or whatever they are,   were gone and   it was becoming a very modern state.   It still had its Muslims connections, but Khomeini hadn't   crept out of France and started his problem.   But the Iranians,   we had a lot of them here, in the military   section over here at the naval weapons station in Corona,   Norco   and engineers that were over there working for us. And, you know, all the Iranians I've ever met have been great.  

And a lot of the people that stationed over there loved them.   And then   all that stuff with Khomeini out of France,   started and, you know, things went downhill. Carter screwed up and   it's just been turned into one big mess after that.   The people themselves are great.  

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Yes.   And they're really Persians as many of you know. They speak they don't speak Arabic. They speak Fauci Fauci what Varsi. Varsi.  

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Yeah.  

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And, yes, an old established culture,   long long long time.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yesterday,   Roger Alister Cook made this statement which blew me away. He said,   the Iranians   have   six out of the 10 top engineering   universities in the world.  

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Yeah. Yeah. They're very bright.   And China's got most of the other ones. K?  

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Well,   they they work with China a lot and Of course, they do. They're partners and everything.   And Cook also said that,   or I know somebody else said that, the Chinese are arming   with,   with,   better airplanes now,   the Egyptians   that can actually,   stand up to a dogfight,   air to air   missiles and aircraft,   because we would never give them that technology because,   the tribe wouldn't allow us to. That that was one of that superior edge in the air.   So you've got   you've got the whole new,   revamped   Egyptian army. You've got the Turks.   You got Netanyahu with a pacemaker   and prostate cancer.  

You got the country ready to revolt with, like, 60,   you know, percent of the country thinking there should be a revolt. You've got their   troops   refusing   to come to arms   and go into Gaza.   I mean,   he's got a mess on his hands. He sure does. Nothing   nothing worse   than,   wounded   animal in a corner,   with all that nuclear power they got, you know. Especially these animals.  

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And Including the German submarines that were forced.   Well, they've whatever chaos they got surrounding them, Samuel, they've earned every damn bit of it.  

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K? Well, I'm not saying I feel sorry for them. I'm just afraid that they're gonna go Samson.  

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Well, well, I was gonna say when they turned Netanyahu down on attacking,   Iran, they flew back to Israel,   and they went over and bombed a hospital in Gaza, killed 30 people, women and children.   Like, okay. You don't let us do this. We'll do this over here. That's who these people are, folks.  

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They say there's more Hamas fighters that are better prepared now than there was when this thing began.   They haven't achieved anything   but a black eye in the whole world,   and everybody   is just sharpening their knives right now. But they've got all those nukes   including subs. Yes, they do. And I,   you know,   how do you how do you unravel that?  

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You know? Well, you don't, especially when you have all the Zionists here in The United States and Europe that are still promoting these guys.  

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Don't forget they control the banking system. Folks, over to the good news. The only people that can confront these folks is us.   They're they're scared as hell of us.  

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Well, I wish that were true.  

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Well, they're scared of this information. I can promise you that. They're they're scared of Trump,  

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that's for sure. At least he's trying to bring peace to the region, and, they're just nothing but trying to destroy it. But the bankers always do this stuff.  

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Right, John. But the Southern Poverty Law Center has known this information was on the air for fourteen years.   I'm telling you, they're scared to death of it.   There's nothing they can do against it. That's why. They can do something against Trump. They can't do anything against us, but we don't have the numbers to be able to confront them to make that indelible.   So, again, that Not yet. Yeah. Always are always our problem is numbers.   But maybe that's supposed to be the way it is right now. I don't know. I don't know if this is gonna be this trump card's gonna be played   when the the big guy at the table wants to play it. You know? So those are the unknowns. So the only thing we can do is just continue day by day to try and expose it as best we can and to try and strengthen our numbers as best we can.  



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Yeah. And the people in California, there there's a lot of us that are, really tired of what's going on in our own government out here.  

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They're wanting to Howard Newsom wants to separate from The US and be his own country.  

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He's a freaking idiot.   He's a   Pelosi. I mean Oh, yeah. Of course.  

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So,   wow.   I I I was, watching this morning. Usually, I'm watching Harrison, you know, hour half before the show or something, pick up some of   the news things that are out there that I wouldn't normally go chase down and know.   And, this morning, Rob Dew was on there, and he had this in interesting guy. His last name was Rockwell.   He is a,   mushroomologist.   He specializes   in mushrooms, and,   they've got some real sophisticated   stuff they're doing on,   tapping into the roots of the mycelium as it grows and finding out what's coming through that. I mean, you know, there's some incredible,   incredible mushrooms that'll eat   eat oil and stuff. And, of course,   and he's it was just very interesting this morning. I'd never seen the guy before,   and mushrooms have never been my favorite thing in this world. But, boy, they sure do have some   interesting   scientific abilities and, adaptations.  



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It is amazing that the the amount of information that we're we're still coming up with that's new.   Yep.  

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Well, you remember the guy that ran the patent office back in the eighteen   eighties?   Remember hearing about him? Johnny said, well,   yeah, there can't be any more patents because everything that'll ever be invented has already been invented.  

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Well, just reading about nitric oxide and and what the battles that this guy went through, that a lot of the people in the universities were trying to stop him.   And, they did everything they could   to control all of his information.  

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They   they've been their genicle   so deep into our society,   into the basic building blocks of the society   and these institutions   that they've,   taken over and turned against us.   Boy, it's a task, man.  

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And most of it's all based on greed because   the amount of money that's being made by the universities   and   the people that have vested interest in maintaining the universities, instead of these guys going out on their own and controlling their own research,   they feel real comfortable having universities pay for it and let them own it. And   they're happy. They got a paycheck and they got their little   meetings and they get little awards for all the stuff that they do. And and yet   they try to kill somebody like,   doctor Brian who is   doing real research and trying to bring products to market to help people.  

And these guys just wanna kill it.   This guy's the battle that this guy has been through is unbelievable.  

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A lot of stuff's becoming known. I think the Bible says everything will be known at some point. Well, there's a lot of it being exposed right now.   Again,   we could really contribute to that. Hopefully, we'll be able to,   because our information goes right back to the basis for them to do any of this stuff. Right.   That's what's difficult to get across. You can present this to people, and they may or may not understand it. But   you gotta get in this with some time and some depth   before you see the big picture and the whole perspective.   And the fact that this is the power,   their power   is taking ours individually,   collectively   into their scam and all giving it to them with those two questions.  



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And, Raj, there's still so much dissension   between so called people that are doing something similar, you know, like Anna's people and,   Unalenable University's   people and Faggio's people.   You can't even get the guys that are supposed to all be on our side to work together.  

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No.   No. You can't.   And as again, God said we're a stiff necked people. There's the evidence right there. Yeah. The commies, even though they hate each other, can work together,   the leftist.   And we have a hard time doing that.  

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Yeah. You'd think that that we would all get to get this that that's why I wanted to start some kind of a meeting of these guys, but nobody is really interested in doing it.  

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Could they I mean, I you get on discussions where somebody had one a couple of years ago with a guy out in out West.   And one of your guys you remember when we first got started, this guy was out there. I can't remember his name. Anyway,   we were having this discussion round robin, and he's bringing up what we got. We're gonna file a suit next week against the Social Security number.   But then you gotta go back and educate him when he's got everything,   of a revolving around his efforts into that and say, well, man, you're wasting your time. Oh, no. Don't tell me that. So that's the situation you've got right there with many of them. Right. Exactly.  

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Exactly.   It was really interesting.   When I was listening to,   SGT report and he had   KL on,   who is a he's actually a medical doctor.   And   he   was talking about,   you know, status.   And he said that he would give information out and I emailed him to get copies of what he had.   And for a long time, he didn't respond to me. Somebody else gave me what he was sending out, and it was a bunch of Aladakh stuff.   But then, all of a sudden, I got an email from this guy out of the blue saying that, well,   you he didn't give me the information. He just chewed me out for listening to Roger Sales.  

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My god.   Well, I mean, I kept I wish he'd come disprove something I'm saying.  

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He says you don't go far enough. You don't wanna be a national. You you you wanna be outside that definition too because it's their term.   And,   my I what I was teaching people were were simply that, look, if you're gonna play in this game, you need to separate yourself as a national to get some protection,  

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so they can't just run over you. It's not their term. It's a label for an established   state citizen,   the only   status in the first ninety years of the country. Who is this idiot?  

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I don't know. I haven't been able to get in touch with him.  

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What's his name? Do you know?  

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I did.   It was actually exposed,   and I'd it it's on the way.  

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I can go back and get it for you. So now no. We don't go far enough in the back to the original constitution. You gotta go into hyperspace   beyond that to satisfy this guy and whatever he's trying to do. I mean they're just saying all their rules and everything that they wrote down,  

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have no value that you can go outside of that. You can work around it in a different way. Please. I'll please, people. Maybe we can find some refugees  

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from this guy, whoever.  

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You've come to go back to the Garden Of Eden.   That's where it all started. Jesus. There you go.  

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It's like nutso.   The community's nutso,   you know, unfortunately.   Where that I so, again, why I tell you guys   how important you are to me, and you're here and why right now. Yeah. You've gotta you've gotta use the terminology  

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these people know and understand.   And that way way you beat them. Yeah.   Right.  

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A Gordian knot has to be untied the way it was tied. Darrell brought that in one day years ago.   Boy, is that accurate.  

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Yeah.   But Darrell where's Darrell? He's he's off the I haven't been I don't know. I don't have He's doing meetings and,   presentations. I guess,  

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Brent's on his way down there to a meeting. Okay. And I I think I heard they were having some kind of a shindig down there. I would have promoted it for him, but Daryl doesn't contact us anymore. Been happy to expose him for it. Yes, sir, Joe.  

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I would agree that there's another way to undo the Gordian knot.  

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There's two ways to do   it. Three problems.  

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Way   is with the saber.  

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Yeah.   You can hack it. I don't think that's the way to do it. You know, that's I evidently, that's a true story,   because do you do you have you heard of do you remember going over that, Joe?   Anyway, it's good it's good time filler.   It's very interesting.   It was a town in Greece,   and what happened was they had a bunch of corruption or something with the, with the mayor.   And so they got real frustrated, said the next guy that comes into town with a wagon,   hitched to oxen   hauling, let's just say, apples,   is gonna be the mayor.   Well, the guy came into town with the exactly the description. He had the wagon. He had the horses. And the knot, the Gordian knot was the knot that hitched those oxen   to that cart.  

And so   they had it there in the town. He went on and became mayor,   and nobody could untie the knot. And the word of that spread,   and Alexander   the Great heard about it   and came to that town.   And there's two theories, Joe, on what happened. He didn't slash it, by the way,   I don't   think. But one of them was a traditional try and untie it from the front.   But the other one says that he went and pulled the   knob out that hitches the   auction to the cart   and then undid the knot from the back forward, which is what I think we've done   for whatever that's worth.  



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That's the story of the Gordian. Well, I I I will throw this in.   I was visiting with   a fellow the other day. I won't mention his name or what position he held, but,   he held   high political office in the state of Oklahoma   twice.   And off the record,   he wouldn't say it   in the group meeting, but off the record, he said, I don't think it can never be fixed.   Short short of   revolution.  

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I agree with him.  

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Well, there's a number of people do, but they won't they won't say it on the record.   Yeah. I'll just throw that out for contemplation. And, Roger, I will send you   a   deal   on, the state of Oklahoma and   the fourth amendment and search and seizure on the highways.   I think you'll find it very interesting. It's not a very long run.  

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Alright.  

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Well, thank you, Jim. There's another way to fix this system, and it has to do with the fact that this system was created for a moral people.  

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Yes.  

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And the morality in this country   is down the tubes.  

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Oh, yeah.   And that's the problem. The and there was some study that the higher the promiscuity   in a   society, the higher the chances it's gonna fail.  

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Yeah. And God's gonna clean it up. Nope. And you have no doubt about that. It's gonna be cleaned up. I would rather people turn back to God and get, you know, back to the foundational principles   of living the 10 commandments. Well  

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That   that there is an awakening there. I don't know the size of the momentum of it, but it is   an awakening.  

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No. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it because there's more and more people coming into my church.   But but   well, God's in control, you know. I just he is absolutely in control.  

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Yep.   Well,  

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as we,   get on the downside, Easter here is such an important event and holiday and so significant,   and   yikes.  

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And, yeah, the crazy fairies out there are out there. You know, this is one of the things that I saw. I saw these girls dressed up as nuns,   and they had outfits on where they were   using whips and they had all their tits bare, you know, the phony tits on front of them.   I mean, just just ridiculing   religion and things like that. And nuns   criticize nuns. I mean, these people have been over the back over their whole life educating people, taking care of indigent people. Yep. I mean   Yeah. That's a big sacrifice   to do that. It is. And and, I've always said that, you know, the   you know things are bad when you can't see any nones anymore.  

Now they're still there and they're still working hard,   but they tried to the feminists tried to get inside that and destroy that and they haven't succeeded.   Sister Teresa's group,   Mother Teresa's group is is is growing rapidly and there's other ones that are beginning to grow rapidly too.   Because,   you know, I worked with nuns. They had nuns in in, the school and we had, you know, other lay teachers and stuff. And even one of the guys that I work with,   he's a teacher too, and he is an Orthodox Christian.   And these guys aren't there for the money. They're there for to help educate and to have a cause, and they're doing it based upon their love for God and fellow man. Yep.  

We need more of that. And that's what the country originally was built on. Well That and the Jewish banking system. Yeah. Well, then that one's been around since the beginning of time. You know?   Yeah. But they crucified him.  

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Yeah.   And, you know, the one of the old eternal   battles is can you beat the bankers?   And   pretty much up to now, they haven't been able to. But No. Not yet. Well, it's We're on the verge of that maybe. I think so.   It it really appears that Trump wants to do something with gold and and maybe partially back the dollar. That's,   the kind of feeling I'm getting,   and the people I hear interviewed and whatnot,   may be the only way to salvage it. So it's a hell of a time to be alive, folks. I mean, it really is, and especially to know and understand what we do and have the perspective   we have   on the events and the events the way they're taking place.  

And to have these great discussions here on this beautiful forum that   is just a gift. This forum is just a gift, folks. It's the development of me through this project   and and things failing on us like Microsoft screwing up Skype years ago and,   all the other things that we've had to progress. We went through the Jitsi years, and now we're into the Zoom thing. And, it's all a growing experience, but to have this wonderful platform with you great people,   in an open forum where we can have discussions on these   important issues,   not only in history, but of the day.  

And, I just treasure it.   I never planned it this way. It's just been it's just evolved.   Organic. But by the way But with my radio background, I recognized what was happening   and tried to develop it. See?  

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Yeah. It worked. But I need to find out from Paul. We've got Skype changing,   and I guess he's he's   he's jumped over to meetings.  

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Teams. No. They call it Teams.  

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Teams. Teams or tools. Microsoft Teams.  

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Yeah. Is that a seamless transfer to Teams?   Yes. Do you still have all your old data?  

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Yeah. All you have to do is is download,   Teams from the Microsoft website,   run it, and it will grab your logon credentials   from your,   Skype   on your computer   and   migrate all of your stuff over to Teams.  

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It doesn't what about all the conversations from ten years ago? What do I have about that? Conversations come over too.   Okay.  

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You can also go to skype.com,   and,   I believe it's on the main page now with the whole Skype,   deactivation.   You can not only download all of your contacts to content   contacts   to a comma delimited file that's importable into any database.   You can also   have,   Skype gather and collect all of your files,   your messages, and conversations,   And   takes them about a day to put it together, and then you just go back to that page, and you can download the thing,   download all of your Skype history.  

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Oh, great. Okay. That's what that'll do, and then I'll just switch over to Teams after that.  

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Yep.   Yeah.   We wanted you to go over it for the audience for everybody. I know a couple of people.   Mark has switched. You've switched, Paul.   Jack Jack has switched.   But if you would do that for me, I'm sure it'd be far more of a challenge for me.   You and I can talk about that, but I guess I need to go ahead and get that done. What do they do? Charge you every month? They charge you a year at a time? Well, as far as the payment options.  

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No.   AIMS is still free.   The only thing you cannot do   without,   paying a monthly subscription   is have a conference.   Have multiple people on the on a phone call at the same time.   Till as far as I know, that's the only thing you can't do.  

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It's still free as always been?  

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Well, I don't know what the   I don't know what the whole telephone deal is and all that. I haven't drilled down into it deep enough. Right. Right. So we still need to be looking at the done that.  

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I signed up for the I have I pay a month, quarterly fee,   and so I can make, all these calls,   but I don't want a number attached to it.   And I love that because I get a lot of numbers and people call me, and I don't know who they are or what they're calling about. And I can call them back with Skype,   which gives them a number that I'm supposedly calling from. But if they try to call me back, it goes, it's a Skype number and they can't place the call. They can't tell who it is that's looking at them or calling them back.   Because I get a lot of calls,   not as much as I used to because I haven't been using Skype as much, but,   I really like that ability to stay anonymous and to, you know, track back on, people that call you and you don't know who they are. I'm finding that in Telegram, there's an awful lot of people contacting me.  

And frankly, Telegram now,   it pops up and says this is they changed their name thirteen days ago. They changed their picture thirteen days ago. This is not a registered account or something like that. I don't know how they're even using it without being registered.   But, there's just a lot of people calling and you don't know who they are.  

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They've just got it. It's got the word overwhelms me, Telegram. I just don't even look at it anymore.  

[01:04:09] Unknown:

Yeah.   So Well, I find it very useful. And,   you know, we still have the PPN chat over there, which is going. I wish more people would join it. But,   we have about a hundred people over there. So Okay. But we need some more.   We need everybody over there. Well, hopefully we're gonna grow.   I like it because,   you know, they can actually bring up other ideas that we don't get to here and they can start talking about them over there   and getting   people going. And and it's a way to exchange information   across the whole team.   We've got a lot of follow-up.  



[01:04:47] Unknown:

Without being off topic. Said that? Hold on, Paul. You know who else said that to me? John, you you said you got a lot of followers.   Do you know who else told me that? Jeff Mintz.   Oh,   It's not but none of them are for him.  

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Yeah.   Right. Paul.   The the PPN Radio Ranch chat on Telegram,   that is not only a place   where,   this information   can be exchanged, but it's also an open dialogue   about other pieces of information   without actually bringing all of these other topics,   which would be deemed off topic   onto the radio program or into the after show.   The PPN Radio Ranch chat is it's a very free it's a very open discussion space,   and information   is shared   there.   You can freely download,   anything   that's in there. You can   actually share,   stuff that was posted to the PPN Radio Ranch,   and you can share that to another group and actually spread the message with stuff that an admin had put in there. But then the PPN Radio Ranch chat   is like a meeting space that's that's separate and aside   from the PPN Radio Ranch group.  

And there, you can you can add and and,   grab information. You can just   get knee deep into a conversation,   even   doing a group conference call,   with members that are present in in that group. So   I think it's a great tool.  

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You know, John, with your court case   and the magi it's a gal. She's a magistrate?  

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Commissioner. Yeah. Okay.  

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We were talking about it last week. They found the section Well,   I   think   that   you'll   get   a   response   or   not.   I   Well, I think that that you'll get a response or not. I know if it was the Biden administration,   you never would have, but with the new administration,  

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you might. I don't know. You have to have a very first time. We never developed a letter that we were talking about for these attorney generals. And so Correct. I've not done my notices because of that   primarily.  

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And I'm gonna You shouldn't let that stop you. Well,   I want amended.  

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I want one that yeah. That's true. But I want one that says clearly,   you know, I'm not a federal citizen. Federal citizens get their protection from the federal secretary of state.   Your I get my protection as a   state citizen from you, attorney general.   Yep. And I need you to protect me from these local people who are not recognizing our status.  

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Mark has found a case which brings out the whole protection for allegiance thing. Did he tell you about it? I think it's called with one of them is Witherspoon.   No. He didn't say anything about it. No. Okay. Well, he's found a case. This guy outlines all the protection for allegiance   and all that stuff and,   just reach out to him. Okay. He'll ask for, he have a Well, there he is right there. There. There's the Mark guy. Hey.   Was I right? Is it Witherspoon?  

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No. It's a tapper set.  

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Oh, well, hell, that's close.  

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Yeah.   It's, let me re actually, I have it pulled up here on my computer.   It's Minor, and somebody in the background read it off, Minor, m I n o r,   versus   Happersett,   eighty eight, US Supreme Court, one hundred and sixty two   from 1875.   And it talks about allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance,   and it specifically   says that.   Is there a link to it? Can you give me a link? Yeah. Just bear with me a second here. Where do you want where do you want that, John?  

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Why don't you put it in the PPN chat?  

[01:09:06] Unknown:

Oh,  

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I'm not in there, but, I guess Okay. Just send it send it to me on an email or just send me on my Telegram.  

[01:09:13] Unknown:

Got it. I can put it in there. Okay. I got it. Just a second here, and we'll have you hooked up with it. Yeah. We I've read a couple of times the citation from it. It's really kinda cool   Yeah. It is. Because they talk about a political   community   and go on to refer to it as a nation. The nation is made up of people or community is made up of people.   And,   all right, I sent you that link on Telegram.   Oh, great. Okay. I really like this. So let me just read. It's a paragraph. It's not terribly long. So there are Please do read it. Women   pardon me?  



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Yeah. Please do read it into the system. Okay.  

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Says there are persons, and by the fourteenth amendment, all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject   to the jurisdiction thereof, are expressly declared to be citizens of The United States   and of the state wherein they reside.   But in our opinion, it did not need this amendment to give them that position.   Before its adoption, talking about the fourteenth Amendment,   the Constitution   of The United States did not in terms prescribe   who should be citizens of The United States or of the several states.   Yet there were necessarily   such citizens without such provision.  

Now this is the part I like. There cannot be a nation without a people.   The very idea of a political   community,   such as a nation is,   implies an association of persons   for the promotion   of their general welfare.   Each one of the persons associated becomes a member of the nation formed by the association.   He owes it excuse me. He owes it allegiance   and is entitled to its protection.   Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations.   The one is compensation for the other,   allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance.  

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I think you could take that paragraph right there, the statement out of the, INA,   national owes total allegiance to a small s state, and then the, one that's shortly down that shows capital s states or federal states, and use that as your brief right there, John.  

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Well, in addition, you know, the the the court cases that we use to present your information,   a bunch of those in there make it very plain there are two two statuses. Oh, sure.  

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And the other thing I suggest for any of you guys that are looking for these types of tidbits here   is to go back if you've got a copy of my book, if there's a copy for download, I think, on the website.   If not, it's out there on the Internet. Easily findable.   And go through the five page affidavit there at the back,   because three pages are nothing but sites   from Slaughterhouse,   Wong Kim Ark,   maybe Elk,   but they're they're just nothing but sites on this stuff right in there for three, three and a half pages.  

[01:12:27] Unknown:

Yeah. We'll need to do a letter.  

[01:12:30] Unknown:

Mark? Go ahead, John.  

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No. I'm just saying we need to do a letter to the attorney generals.  

[01:12:35] Unknown:

Yeah.   We really need a kind of a memory and a loss that they that they can understand that there's two citizenship statuses and and they have different   political rights.   What I was going to say, Roger, I couldn't find a link   to download your book   on your website or the docs,   the Google docs link,   But,   David with nationalstatus.com   has it posted on his website. So if you go to   nationalstatus.com   and scroll towards the bottom, you'll see a thumbnail for your book, and you can download it right there. Super easy to get to. Yeah. And I've said just I put it out in the public at large. I don't care about money from this.  

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Hey, Raj. You know, I have an original PDF   before you did the reprint with these other guys.   And   it prints   the way it prints your book, it   runs it down the center.   And then on the left and the right, you can make notes really easily.   On once which when it's a regular printed book,  

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you know, if you're trying to make notes on the page that you've got very difficult. It's very difficult. Well, of course, the ebook gives you the one really super advantage of search.   So, yes, I've used that a number of times over the years in the show here.   But regardless, yes, that'd be a good thing to do, Mark. Maybe we can get it done. Actually, with what you've got there with Happerset and a couple of the other things, it   it doesn't have to be too long or complex with all these other sites   to back up that.  

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You know what's really cool? Is is to actually just set up a like like Paul has done for his notice.   You can just reference a a a link to all of these things we could just put on the Internet and,   reference that in the letter.  

[01:14:35] Unknown:

Yep.   Yep. Make them out links when you put them in there.   Okay. Well, this paper thing, you're probably gonna be sending to the attorney general. I guess we could do that, but, hell, we can't even get a letter generated at this point. But maybe we will soon. It's a very No. I got it. I I really   In honesty, it's our teeth.   This is the teeth we've got. Right.  

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Okay. Go ahead, John. Well, that's what I'm saying. That this is one of the things I wanna get done, and I'm gonna get that letter out some way and,   get it to the attorney general and copy the commissioner of the court.  

[01:15:12] Unknown:

Yeah. And I don't think you'd have to, go into much depth other than just a couple of things and maybe find another side or two that's appropriate and stick it in there and,   not have to be   real lawyer ish, if you will, because we're all pro se anyway.  

[01:15:29] Unknown:

Well, so we also have the   we have the thing that,   Ralph came up with,   which was the   slaughterhouse cases, the senate   bill from 1938   where it talks about   different categories   and that they cannot punish us,   criminal or civil.  

[01:15:52] Unknown:

Well, you know what this magistrate that you're dealing with or commissioner doesn't understand   is what you are is your choice.   If she's telling you you're something, she's an open tyrant.   That goes back all the way to 1750  

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in Vatel's Law of Nations. Well, she's not saying it that way. She's saying you have a driver's license. Therefore, you are I have aphasia evidence. Well I have jurisdiction.   But the point is is that it says right in the California code that the only reason to have a license is if you're gonna entertain commerce, and they define commerce in those sections.   Right. The idea that you'd buy gasoline and you're in commerce,   No. That's not what it is. I mean, I think Brent's, way off base there. There's   being in commerce in the general  

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thing of living, and then there's also the definitions that are in the codes. Well, doing commerce and being within commerce are two different things. Right. He wasn't selling gas to the gas station.   He was buying gas for all of his automotive and and and combustible engine endeavors.   Yeah. It's just all ridiculous. No. They've got this thing   so down and so pretty well screwed tight with these words, the way they've conditioned the people. That's all these folks have ever known. Now you're coming to tell them it's not right. And if the deck's stacked against us, they've done a great job.   That's why the passport and just dealing with the federal government is so important.  

And,   I hope you make your point with them, John. But, you know, at some point, is it just not easier to pay the damn ticket and go on and do something that you're involved with that could be positive?   That could be too, obviously, but it's gonna enable it's gonna take a lot of your time and effort   in in that. So that's why I tell people pay the fine and go on about your life. But I understand it if you don't want to. K? Well, it's more than that, Raj, because for example, my, auto insurance just off two little things,  

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a little fender bender than in, Costco parking lot and a rolling stop   at an intersection where there was no lights, nobody there.   The cop was there, but he didn't have his lights or anything on. I couldn't see any cars and I didn't quite go just to a perfect stop, and then I got a ticket for that. So that shot my, auto insurance up to 285 a month.   And now I I made the turn on the on the left arrow. Was it before?   $80.85   dollars a month.  

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Eighty five to $2.85?  

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Yeah.   Wow.   And they they've got this red light thing now,   that they're pushing me on.   There's   I I you know, it it doesn't matter whether the light's green or red. You have to make a decision whether it's safe to drive,   to to to, you know, proceed in your car.   And so this red light tickets, I bought a $600   fine,   plus it will shoot my auto insurance way up again.   Hopefully,   through Mark, I'm gonna be able to get a connection with somebody in South Dakota that, is a broker that can give me just a blanket liability policy for   to get rid of that. And y'all just dump the auto insurance altogether. Okay. Good idea.  



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I don't know what you mean. Well, you know, we wish you the best, and I understand people fighting this stuff. I was that way too, and that fight led me here.   And,   all these years later with, now I can go back on them and spank them a little bit, but, I understand that totally. It depends on you and your individual situation. You might be a mom with kids and a family or such and such. And is it worth what you're gonna have to do to fight it rather than just pay the ticket and take care of the other stuff in your life? Well, paying the ticket is decision you can make. Paying the ticket is the least of the cost. It's the ancillary cost that you get hit with Yeah. Because of the laws of the insurance and all this other stuff that's put in the first need to think it through and put all those factors in play and come up with a decision. And I understand either way. The thing is is we have to put the condition precedent there, which we haven't done with the attorney generals.  

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We sent them a letter of notice of our status, but Yeah. We need a strong condition  

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precedent first. We gotta be first mover on this stuff before they come after it. That's not not a bad suggestion. It's something we probably should have already done, Mark, and I'm gonna include you in it because you and I are gonna have to,   coordinate on it.   Anyway okay. Hey, John. We could do a draft and throw a draft out there for the students, see what they think, if they've got any suggestions, and maybe, compile it with everybody's help.  

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That would be cool.  

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Yes. He was saying John there.  

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Yeah. This is Bob. John, you were talking about something that Ralph had put forward in terms of the,   well, when we were talking protection for allegiance, allegiance for protection. Could you elaborate on that? I wasn't quite clear.  

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I'm not sure what I said that you're hearing.   You said something that Ralph was on it, and I don't remember the comment. No. No. No. What I was talking about was is that Ralph, in his research found a a case sites.   It was a congressional record from 1938   where it talked about the slaughterhouse cases and other things. Really? In in that document yeah. I've read it here on your show before.   In that document, it clearly states   that,   they they're   whether criminal or civil punishment,   a   state citizen can't be   he can't be, prosecuted.  

They can't punish him. The constitution is clear about that.   That's a real abbreviation of the wording. I   don't have it in front of me, but I can go get it. Doctor. You could dig that back up and let  

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us go. Well, I'd love to see that. Yeah.  

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I I carry it with me. I mean, this is part of my classes that I that I do.   Okay. So,  

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Well, if you get the chance, come and come back on. You're lurking often during the week. You're welcome to come back in and reach out to us or wait till next Monday. Well, I can,  

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I gotta get going, but I I'll go get it and I'll come back and I'll read that section and   tell you what it is? So I'll just check out right now because I gotta go anyway. Okay. But I'll be back in a few minutes and I'll just read it in. We'll tap dance till John gets back. I'd like to hear what it is. I don't remember him reading it before.  

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Probably just as I'm getting old. You know? There's, Mark, there's some Bobs on you.  

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Yes. Hello, Mark. This is Mark.   Yes. Hey.   This whole thing about commerce,   I can't recall the name of the   it had to do with the commodity. I I brought it forward, but I myself can't remember the name. Brad brought it up two, three years ago and had to do with some guy just by planting a certain amount of weed or harvesting it or not selling it. He was affecting the flow of commerce. Yeah. Can you remember what that site was?   It seemed ridiculous,   but I'm  

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It had a strange name like Wickard It did. Or Wickerd.  

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Wickerd?  

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Wickerd. Yeah. Something like that.   Oh, man.   I know I I know I saved that case because it about fell out of my chair when I saw it. Even Barnes.   Even Robert Barnes brought it up and talked about how horrible of the case it was.  

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Well, it it seems to, press the envelope. Let's say it that way.  

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Yeah.  

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It was for back in the forties, if I remember right. Wickerd versus Philburn.  

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I'm sorry. Philburn,   f I l b u r n. And,   that is pretty much what gave the federal government nearly unlimited power.   It's three seventeen   US   one one one, page one one one, Supreme Court 19 40 two.   Do you have access to the free conference call chat?  

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I don't. I'm on a old analog phone here and out in the woods, but I can I can relisten to the show? It's Wickerd, w I c k a r d  

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v   Filburn,   f I l b u r n. You can go to Google Scholar, type that in, and it'll pull it up. And here's here's a couple here's a couple of sites from that case. It's just   it's just mind blowing.   It says,   even if the appelle's   activity   be local,   and though it may not be regarded as commerce,   it may still, whatever its nature, be reached by Congress   if it exerts a substantial   economic effect   on interstate   commerce.   The court's  

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ruling in which simply by hold holding his off the market,   this is they say it affected interstate commerce because he held it out of the commerce. Yeah. Right? And he and he grew more wheat than they allotted him to.  

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Our our farming is is basically   communism.   Our farming scheme, our big farming scheme   is communism   because it's controlled   primarily from the federal government.   I would love to see all these farmers   get out from underneath that, become nationals, and get out from underneath that federal control.   I mean,   I'm not sure when it came around. I wanna say it was after I can tell you. The departure.  

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It was right after March the ninth of thirty three. If you go back and watch Gene Schroeder,   he said right after that was the first time people involved in commerce were required to have licenses.   It it it's no it's no, coincidence   that it's also the agency they drove all the communists into the government through. Harry   Dexter White,   all of them came through agriculture.  

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Yep. Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1934.  

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There you go. Thank you, Joe. I mean, I I I didn't realize. No. I grew up in a, a on my dad's side, they were all   fam or farmers and ranchers, mostly ranchers, so raising cattle.   But,   I had no clue   that if you wanted to grow some cotton, you had to have a permit.   You couldn't even take it to the the cotton gin   and process it unless you had a permit.   Same thing with wheat and corn and all this other. I mean,   it's super regulated. Now   they allegedly did it to quote control the prices,   but all it's done.  

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Pardon me? Marketing orders. Marketing orders.  

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Yeah. The, but the only thing it did is, is put farmers   in the pinch because they're the ones that are not making any money, but they're feeding the world.  

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You can take off that last word. It wasn't about controlling prices. It was about control.  

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Well, there you go. There you go. I gotta make a comment here. I have to make a comment here. You're not gonna get any farmers to succumb   to what you're saying   when   under   president o Biden,   they paid   not and it didn't go just to farmers, but it went to anybody that employed anybody. But any farmer that employed had any employees, he got $26,000   cash   payment   for doing nothing just because he had an employee.   And those that had five or six, they got to pocket all of that money.   Yeah. Why they're buying they're buying the vote? We have Frank Lucas, the congressman from state Oklahoma,   and he doesn't even sit on the house ag committee anymore. But people vote for him because   they think that he he gives them welfare.  

You can talk about the blacks, the Mexicans,   or anybody else all you want, but the American farmer is the biggest welfare recipient there is, an IR one.  

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Probably true. Growing up growing up, my dad   didn't really have any interest in irrigation, and a lot of our neighbors did. And we harvested crops for him, so it was kinda like, well, we're benefiting from it too   in an oblique way, but   he would go buy a   whenever we would go buy a particular   nice new brick home from a   a crop farmer that was getting a lot of subsidies, he would very sarcastically look at me and say, I like that government housing.  

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Yeah.   Okay. I'm back.  

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There's John.  

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Alright. This, this what I have here in my hands is a,   our our the page that was,   Ralph is doing the research, and he was highlighting different portions of it. It's the congressional records sent from the senate,   and it's page,   from 1938.   And it's page four thirty seven and four thirty eight.   And the bottom of the page, it has the statement attachment one, page   nine of 19,   and the other page was page 10 of of, of 19.   But,   the whole thing has a headings. I'll read the headings quickly.   So we're not gonna go through all that stuff. But the headings and the paragraphs,   the the first sentence at the top of the page on page four thirty seven,   he has it marked, sovereignty as he endowed by their creator, sovereignty for this purpose rests alone with the states.  

Then the next paragraph starts duty comes from power. That duty comes from power reversed. Next paragraph.   Constitution   binding in all its parts.   And then the force of the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments, and it goes into that. Then it talks about the slaughterhouse cases.   And in that portion, there is a section there that says rights   of the citizens of The United States enumerated.   They are as follows.   The right to come to the seat of government to assert any claim he may have upon that government,   to transact any business he may have with it, to seek its protection,   to share its offices, to engage in administrating   its functions.  

The right of free access to its seaports   through which all operations   of foreign commerce are conducted   to the subtreasuries,   land offices, and courts of justice in the several states.   The right to demand the care and protection of the federal government over his life, liberty, and property   when on the high seas or within the jurisdiction of a foreign government,   the right to peacefully assemble and petition congress for a redress of grievance   and to the writ of habeas corpus.  

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So those are the those are civil rights in the fourteenth amendment that a   federal citizen   has access to.  

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Well, let me just finish them. It's not that much.   The right the right to use the navigable waters   Yeah. All rights secured to citizens by treaties with foreign nations. The right to become a citizen of a state by residing in it then proceeds the court.   Then the whole paragraph there about it.   So then the next paragraph, the effect of the great judgment of the slaughterhouse case.   In that section,   there's a paragraph. It's kind of a long one.   It says power conferred by the amendments relates only to state action.   And   in this section,   there's a number of things he highlighted,   but this is what it says.  

In no case under these amendments,   so far as the present controversy is concerned, can the power of congress be made to reach either for punishment or correction   or redress in any way,   civil or criminal,   the acts of private individuals.   On this last point, the controversy was long between a sectional majority in Congress and the constitution.   But in the end, the constitution   triumphed fully, completely.   It would be interesting to trace the progress of the decisions of the court from that first to the last case in evolving as the facts of the case warranted the true meaning of these amendments.   To do this would detain us too long, but it's in well here to quote some of the expressions of the judgments   in these cases showing truths of a fundamental character.  

It goes on, then it gets into the Cruickshank cases, and he's got the the highlights in this just these two pages is just fantastic.  

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Well, that's pretty cool.   The private citizens.   Yep. They always stick you back there on the back burner, don't they? And that's what we are. I know.  

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I know. To have absolutely no power over us in the at all.  

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Not unless we commit a crime.   Yeah. And in, In a common law sense. Right.  

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Yeah. Okay. This page proves it. I mean, it's right there.  

[01:33:38] Unknown:

Okay. Well, you might, is that you got that in paper form or yeah. I was gonna say send it to Mark.  

[01:33:46] Unknown:

Yeah. Go ahead, Jim.  

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And I'm assuming that was a a court case that you're reading Sykes from. Was that a congressional record? No. It's congressional record.   Oh, that's interesting.  

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It's congressional Out of the senate. Out of the senate. For that?  

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Yeah. 38.   30 eight. January  

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thirteenth   19 30 eight.   In a row Page four hundred and thirty eight and four hundred and thirty seven.  

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Because there's another US Supreme Court case called Hendrick versus Maryland   that's pretty negative towards our right to travel.   So I'm just kind of curious when that came out.   Let me read a couple of citations from this.   This is what the US Supreme Court says.   The state's power, and this is a small s, the state's power to regulate the use of its highways   extends to their use by non residents   as well as by resident. So this is Hendrick   versus Maryland.   And then another citation from that case is,   in the absence of national legislation   covering   the subject state, small s state,   may rightfully prescribe uniform regulations   necessary   for public safety   and order in respect to the operation upon its highways   of all motor vehicles,   those moving in interstate commerce   as well as others.  

Again, that's Hendrick versus Maryland two thirty five,   US six ten,   the US Supreme Court from 1915.  

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And they they say motor vehicle specifically.   Again,   a motor is not an engine.   Well Right. Motors use electricity.  

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Yes. That's what  

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The keyword in that that Mark just read,   resident.   I  

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yield. Well, he said residents as well as nonresidents, but he did mention motor vehicle, and motor vehicle is defined   as   a a,   commercial term.  

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Yep. But right either way, it says those moving in interstate commerce as well as others.   So it clarified it saying, yes, interstate commerce, but also   as well as others. Now what does as well as others mean?  

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I would tell you, you know, outside of interstate It was vague for a reason.   Yeah. It was it was vague for a reason.   Okay. I don't wanna get into an argument. I don't wanna get into I'm not arguing.   I'm just sharing. Arguing. I'm agreeing with you. Interstate commerce   is from state to state. Intrastate   commerce would be within the state.   So   they're saying if you're selling,   widgets   across state lines, yeah, you're doing interstate commerce, and they're leaving the other side vague enough to where they can make it mean whatever they want.  

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Oh, yeah. As well as others as a kind of open checkbook. Right?   So to me, it's just like, it's either in interstate commerce or it's something other and the US Supreme Court is saying it, they have a right to regulate it.   So that's the wet blanket.   I apologize.   That's the wet blanket that, I think we need to take into consideration when you're fighting the traffic thing.  

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Was that Sherry? I'm not dismissive of that.   My question   is is when you're   from you. From you. No. You're not. Alright. Go ahead. The the state regulations say that they have,   adopted   the motor vehicle code from the federal   government   fully and completely.   And so when you look at that,   it only encompasses   commerce.   So,   that court ruling may extend what the authority was to begin with.   But in the own   I could only speak to Arkansas.   Their regulation say that their their   statutes are derived from the federal   motor vehicle code.  

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They're uniform.   All the states take them from there.  

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Right. And I document.  

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Just one more thing. What I found   interesting was they used to have definitions   within,   the statutes in Arkansas,   and they repealed them. And I would say and this is just a guess,   but that they were repealed because they didn't conform to the federal   yield.  

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I just wanna one comment on this document that I'm reading here from the senate.   They're using the word state as a capitalized   state.  

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Yeah. There's some inconsistencies   with that little capital, non capital, but the correct one evidently is   federal capitalized, small state,  

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individual state. Yeah. That's what it says   in the amendments.   And this was commentary about it. Yes.  

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Well, if I could, one more thing that I brought up before.   Yes, Danny? That is the word vehicle.   Vehicle is the commercial thing. There's no requirement that your car be a vehicle.   That's a specific   definition in each of the codes,   and that definition, if you follow it on through,   it's   it's something to be used in the transportation   industry.   But there's no requirement that your car be a vehicle, and they never prove that it is.  

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Yep.   They just allow you to,   not object and to get the presumption.  

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The transportation of goods and services for profit. Your vehicle was defined when you registered it at the   Department of Motor Vehicles.  

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Yeah.   That was your voluntary,   declaration. That's what you intended to do.  

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Well, just like the book title says, government by the treachery and deception of words.  

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Oh, yeah.  

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There are two other cases that were here that we pass out when we list this,   you know, US citizens of property. It says   the Supreme Court US v Valentine says the only absolute and unqualified right of a United States citizen   is to residence within the territorial boundaries of The United States.   It says and these are all caps.   And there's one more.   It says   a US citizen,   citizen of the federal corporation,   upon leaving the District Of Columbia becomes involved in interstate commerce as a resident,   and it does not have the common law right to travel of a citizen of one of the several states.   That's Hendrick v Maryland.  

Supreme Court reporters,   and it gives a   reporters r d. I don't know what that means.   Six one zero dash six two five   nineteen fourteen.  

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RD. You know what that means, Mark? No. I don't know what the oh. You ever heard that before, Mark, r d?  

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No. Read read that off again.  

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Hendrick v Maryland,   s   period c period,   Reporters.  

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Oh, South Carolina reporter. That's a state case.  

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Yeah. Six and then six ten to six twenty five nineteen fourteen.  

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Yeah. That's just South Carolina.  

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That was appealed,   and that went to the Supreme Court of the United States.   And their decision came out in 1915.   That   sounds like to me, I haven't read the the citation or the decision that you're citing from,   but it seems like The US Court overruled that.   That's why you got to be really careful with your court cases. When you're citing stuff, yep.   Yeah. And this is, there's a process called shepardizing.   It's all electronic now.   But for people that don't know what that is, shepardizing   a case   is where you go in and there used to be   a physical way that you had to go through certain books.  

One was a shepherd's book.  

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Shepard's Touchstone.  

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Yes. Thank you, Roger.   And in the Shepherd's book, you would   have to   look at the case and see if any of it had been overturned   or if part of it's been overturned   or if it's still good case law.   So that used to be very   time consuming for you to have to research a case like that. So when you think you found a case site, you think, I got it. No. You're not done yet.   You got to go look at whether that is still good case law.   And some of it or all of it may have been overturned.   And you have to find that out.   Now, of course, electronically, they do it. And I tell you honestly,   last time I looked at Westlaw   and and shepardized a case,   it was just   kinda confusing. I I almost like need to take a class to interpret   it. But, nonetheless, it was done instantaneously.  



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Mark, did you hear about the attorney that,   I don't know which one he used. He used AI to write his brief,   and it came up with a bunch of false sites.  

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Oh, yeah. You can't you can't just let I AI run amok, especially in the law.   So you you kinda gotta know which direction you're headed,   and then you gotta confirm   on AI. Matter of fact, the courts now are asking attorneys to disclose   whether they're using AI   for their documents.  

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That's funny. Okay. Yep.  

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Yep. Yep. You watched Barnes last night, by the way? Well, hey. Listen. Let's get back to shepardizing a minute. Mark, how do you do that?   How do you do it?  

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Well, there's there's a used to be there was a physical book like Roger talked about, shepherd's touchstone,   and you would look up the case in there. And it would   and those are updated books,   I think, once a year.   And Roger, do you recall if they had pocket parts in them or not? I'm sure they did. I would John and Glenn  

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had,   had reprinted an original version of Shepherd's Touchstone that we Okay. Had. So that's my familiarity with it. Right.  

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Was there a way to do it online?  

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Not not unless you have a, subscription.   Now you might go to your county court or find your closest law school. Library. And usually, they will let you use their computers and look it up. Use use their subscription   and look it up through Westlaw.  

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What are you trying to jeopardize, John John?  

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Well, Mark was referencing this, state case,  

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said that there was a supreme South Carolina. Something that overturned that. Yeah. Well, this is in the document. To Well, you could jeopardize it by going reading the Supreme Court case.  

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Yeah. And I sent that to the link to you, John, via Telegram.  

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And then see if the that the Supreme Court case was still good law.  

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Yes. Exactly. So you still gotta look at that because that could have been overturned by some other Supreme Court decision.   And maybe not completely overturned   for maybe just one issue inside of that case Yeah. Parts of it. Been overturned.  

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Yeah. I suppose that's true.   Yeah. I've never done it, John. I just know it can be done. Most of the stuff we've always quoted   has long been jeopardized and known it was good law. We   usually  

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cite these high profile cases. The neat thing about the  

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Oh.  

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Ralph was that he had he had Westlaw.  

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And, Oh, yes. He did. For it. Yep.  

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Yeah. And he had we could each have a seat on there.  

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Okay.   How much is that thing a month, Mark? You know?  

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I think about $300  

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a month for just Oh, that's not too bad.   That's not too bad. If that's Really? No. If that's your that if that's your 300 a month. Oh, and I was thinking a year, not a month. No. A month. A month.   Yeah.   Now you gotta be doing a lot of re legal research. I thought it was  

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much higher. Much higher. That's why Ralph had,  

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people less   Yeah. It could have been well, it depends on your level too because   there's, like, very entry level that that gets you just certain amount. They don't let you look at law articles and so forth.   And then they got different levels, different tiers, if you will.   So I find that,   my cousin,   went to the OU law school   and library, and they're like, Oh, yeah. Well, let's get you signed up. And they let him sign in remotely.   Now that was during COVID.   Yeah. It was during COVID. And,   I think that went on for about two years that,   well, I think it was a one year subscription.  

And they cut him off. And he went back to the law library, and they said, oh, let's get you hooked up again. And they hooked him up.   So Okay. Good deal. So, I mean, you're paying taxes for the law school. So  

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Absolutely.   I I since you didn't watch Barnes last night, he it was pretty good show. You'll probably wanna watch it, Mark.   But at the first, he was announcing   because of all this immigration   hubbub, the whole first part of the show was on Garcia   and what's the ridiculous things going on down there. Oh, yeah. And Barnes said, I'm gonna do a   I don't remember how many parts, but a law school   on on the 10 most important immigration cases.   And it's gonna be free, and he's gonna,   I guess, put it out, but at least be on,   Viva Barnes Law. So that should be good. He didn't give a time frame, but I got the sense that he was talking   fairly quickly.  

Nice. Now you know he's you know he's moving to Chattanooga. Right? Back to Chattanooga. Yeah. Yeah.   You know why?   Because one of Vegas is on all of his bedding and stuff   Right. Vegas won't adhere to something,   and he's gonna move because of it.   So he we talked about it last night. Something to do with I'm not sure what it is, man. I don't gamble. So I don't doesn't doesn't do one thing for me, quite frankly.  

[01:49:14] Unknown:

Hey, Roger.  

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Yes, sir.  

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This is John Seals known as Exgentile from Missouri.   You know, I'm I'm getting ready to,   refinance   my house because Jackson County property taxes   messed up everything, and they they were found guilty   of,   of in an increase   of over 15%. And they're only allowed 15%,   and they increased mine a 18%.   And I have a court date,   court date coming up, and I've been talking to some people. But my question to you is this these people that are wanting to assist me and help me out   through this process to refinance my home because of all this mess,   Well, they are wanting me to fill out a forty five zero six dash c   IVS   request for transcript   of tax returns.  

Now how would it be the best way to handle this? Because,   you know, I haven't I haven't filed any of those tax returns. And so, man, I'm a national.  

[01:50:19] Unknown:

I don't know, Mark.   Wow. That you're refinancing   the house,   and so they're going to even though you got a mortgage, they're gonna make you refinance, and they want your last three years of tax returns, I guess. Right?  

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That's correct.   You know, I did mortgages   for a while,   and there's different kinds of mortgages out there that you can get.   One of the ones that we did was no income,   no assets.   It just depends on the rates. So   they typically to get the best rate and the points,   they ask for the tax returns,   and   they wanna do that. So some lenders,   especially if you're going through,   some brokers,   they can only work with people that will provide a tax return, but there are others out there that can   do a refinance without anything.   It just affects the rate and the points.  



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So Well, this company was specifically given to me because I needed assistance because they, like, double my payments.   And, of course, it's all gonna come back. Like I said, it's not looking good for them in court,   and and it's gonna be fought out. But that's not your that's not your,  

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the problem is is that your the broker you're dealing with is is in a situation where he wants to do that. You need to have a discussion with them about different rates and not needing them and that you're tax exempt.  

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But I I'm just gonna tell them that I'm tax exempt, and I'm not required by law to to file taxes. That's gonna be my reply and response to them when they pass me and need these forms.  

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The you're that's not true. If you've got any eight seventy one or eight seventy seven b taxes, you'd have to file for them. But those are constitutional, so don't use that blanket. I'm you know, the,  

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just throw that in there. K? Well, he is exempt because he doesn't have any of those things. Requirement.  

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Let him write in the filing requirements. That's free. Right.  

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I I was there. That's what I'm gonna tell him. I'm not I wasn't required to to file. So They're not used to the this, guys.  

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They don't know that.  

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They're not gonna accept any of that. If I gotta educate them, I will do that.  

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But there are is there are mortgage there are mortgage companies, like John said,   that they don't need,   your tax return. Your tax return is just kind of one way that they can validate your income. Plus they want to make sure that you don't have any tax liens on you or that you're a risk,   due to, you know, not paying taxes. That's another thing. But like John said, there's lots of loan companies, mortgage companies,   they don't need tax returns.   They'll look at your bank deposits.   They'll look at your like your w two's or or your October,   profit and loss statements, you know, whatever.  

And they can base it and your credit report. Your credit report is probably the most important.  

[01:53:26] Unknown:

Man, my credit's destroyed. And one of the reasons why is because   I tried to file a chapter 13 bankruptcy,   and, it was through a friend of Tom's. And and I was actually a little bit misguided because he had me file a seven, and then I had it converted to a 13.   And then the trustee advised me to get an attorney, and I was almost done. And so   he wouldn't he wouldn't deal with me until,   you know, I   got an attorney. So I got an attorney. And then when I filled out that affidavit, he wouldn't accept it, so he gave me a full refund.   And so that that's why I have this one particular   finance company helping me because they were told to assist him because of the position I was in. So I really I only have two choices. Go through these people and tell them that I'm not required   to to file taxes and show them my documents or go to my bank and see if my bank won't do it because I direct deposit my money, and they know what I got and everything going on. So Yeah. You get a list of all your deposits.  



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Oh, let But Dan Your your affidavit   is really not an issue here. Being a national   is has nothing to do with bankruptcy.   Bank bankruptcy,   anybody can file for bankruptcy including nonresident  

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aliens. I I know that, and I know the code. And I sent the attorney the code telling him he was not allowing me to exercise my liberty, and that's the right to do what's legal and lawful, but he still insisted I'm dropping your case. I never heard of any of this. Okay. The trustee isn't the ultimate decider.  

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You have to go to the court and ask for a hearing. And so now you're before the bankruptcy   judge   and you're battling the trustee.   So   you're just taking what the trustee tells you as the gospel.   And they're not always right.  

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The trustees are,   not allowed to give advice either, but he advised me to get an attorney. So, you know, they're just playing games back and forth. It's not legal advice. Telling  

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them to get an attorney. It's not legal advice.  

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Damn. Buddy, you know, the attorney would not allow me to file bankruptcy.   And so where that stands, I have no idea. But there is this the company that bought my house   and actually has the debt is trying to work with me. And so that's why I'm trying to work with them, but they sent me those tax forms. And I I'm I'm not gonna send them in. It you know, I'm just gonna leave them out. And if they ask, why didn't you give me give us the IVS request for trans I'll say, because I'm not required to by law.  

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I'd bring it up. Response. I'd bring it. I just say you didn't have a filing requirement.  

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Yep. Okay. Yep. Don't I'm not gonna accept that.   Dan Well, I know they're not gonna accept that. I'm trying to get a down their throat. Dan Dan was in the mortgage business, my understanding, to some degree. Dan, what's your suggestion for a friend? Through this underwriting process a million times with our underwriters. And as soon as it's out of the ordinary, they need whatever agency is out of the ordinary   to then make some kind of corroboration, and the IRS will never corroborate this unless something changed.   Yeah. Absolutely. So as soon as he can't get proof from the IRS, oh, yeah. No. This cat doesn't have an obligation or any if the IRS says a positive statement,   then the underwriter will say, okay.  



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Well, there might be another way around that.  

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And did well, can you repeat what I should say? I'm not required to what?   Dan? When I respond to them about you filling out the tax form, and they say, hey. Why didn't you fill this out?   I was gonna say I'm not required by law, but somebody said I'm not required to,  

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tax obligation.   Yeah.  

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Yeah. Now here's that.  

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How would you get around that though? I don't know how you'd get around that because you know who underwriters are. 26 CFR.  

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Well, I'm trying to answer the question. Yeah. No. I'll go quiet. Okay. No problem.   We just got everybody talking on top of each other.   One of the things that we did now this is they filed a ten forty n r.   But what we did is went and got the tax   transcript   for that year showing that they didn't owe a tax.   So you might go get your last three years of tax transcripts   and just say, I didn't have a tax obligation.   Here's my tax summary   from the IRS for these last three years. That could work. That might work.   Yep. How can I obtain those tax? Go online through the IRS and look for tax transcript,   and you request it online, and they will,   I don't know if they if they if it I don't think it's immediate   immediately downloadable,   But you sign up for an account with the IRS. You gotta put in your information. They gotta know that you're the you know, it's your personal information that they're providing you. Correct. Correct.  

And not a big deal.   I mean, people are are still like so scared. It just blows my mind.   Roger's giving you the ultimate freedom tool. There should not be any more fear.   But sign up with the IRS. Go go through their identification   process.   Once you got,   a a link that you can log in,   you can request your tax transcript for, you know, the previous years.   I gotcha. And you only need the last three years. We did this with the gentleman here in Oklahoma   that's battling the Oklahoma tax commission because they rejected his tax return,   and we showed them that he had zero   was his adjusted gross income and didn't owe any taxes   for that previous year.  



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I gotcha.  

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So that's I would suggest you And it sounds like the  

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the golden key, Mark.  

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Yeah. That sounds like the winner,   and I'm gonna try that. But I know people get stuck in their personal opinions,   and they they will reject it, you know, personally   because they're just that way. But I don't care. Do the best you can. I I don't think You got that right.  

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If if the underwriter has a reasonable explanation   and they can prove what you're saying with your tax transcript, they should approve it  

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Gotcha. Or accept it. I'll say they should accept it. I'm not gonna send it in at first and see how that flies to buy me some time. And then if they request it, I'll go ahead and get the IRX transcripts and give it to them.   Alright. Okay. Thank you, guys. I appreciate you, man. Yep.   Let's do this till that turns out. Okay. I will. Just keep your thumb on me because I got a court date, and I just hope they don't disappear me. I got some kids, and I'm going after the big dog.  

[02:00:15] Unknown:

Well, Sorte.   Good luck. You got Mark's email address? I know.  

[02:00:20] Unknown:

Yeah. He does.   Okay. We've corresponded a couple of times if I'm not mistaken.  

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Yes. That's correct.  

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Well, thank you guys, man. You guys have a great day. I appreciate what you're doing. Yes. Same to you. Thank you, man. Appreciate you. Yep. Our we enjoy it. We enjoy helping good people around here and trying to get you free of this damn beast.   John, pretty unusual to have you back with us, for most of the show, so that's a pleasure. Thank you. And, Paul,   I really want to compliment you on whatever you did in the back rooms of this.   All of the audio sounds spectacular.   So that   yep. That's a real nice change because often people are very faint. And, the folks that had joined with us today were not. We will see you on Tuesday,   and,   have a great day. Ciao ciao.  



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And we're off.   Well, we're still on Global Voice, but, Euro folk dropped out.  

[02:01:23] Unknown:

Okay. Wow. What a what a brain trust we have. People like John Kasarab   and Dan and Julie that have been in the mortgage industry.   Yep. That's that's pretty big thing.  

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Yep. We're, we're we're growing, although it's, you know, much slower, of course, than I'd like. It's sometimes   almost invisible. You can't see us growing because it happens away from you. But I can feel it, and I love all the expertise   that we can bring to the table here in this little, brain trust as you refer refer to it so accurately, Mark.  

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Blow cooking is the best cooking.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. But I wanna I wanna comment about Mark. You know, I remember when he started he was over there with   Ralph for a while,   and,   he was starting to help Ralph get control of what he was doing a little bit. But he's really added a lot of the dimension here on the legal side,   and kind of helping us out because none of us I don't have a legal background at all. So,  

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Well, I'm away from it. I'm you know, I got all these other things against me. It's so pleasurable to have Mark come by. He's such a nice guy, and we've we've got a direct and an indirect history because, hell, Chuck Ward tried to tell him about me for three, four years. And then he finally found me, so we go a ways back knowing or unknowing. And he really adds a lot to the program, man, Mark. I just appreciate the hell out of you being here. Paul, you you obviously too. So, yes. The and see, I couldn't get on the platform. Hey. Are there any paralegals out there that wanna come join?   You can't do it that way. You know? It's gotta be the attraction thing and   boom. Both y'all show up.  



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So fantastic. God couldn't get to me through Chuck yet to get through me,   or get to me through RBN.   Through Ralph. Yeah. I guess. I honestly feel it was was a God thing that that steered me to listen to that show that night.   And,   that that's what really connected us.  

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Well So I can promise you, and I don't know how many examples you've heard me tell over the years, but there's an awful lot of   very powerful godlike,   interactions in this program   since John's patriarchal blessing when he was I think they do that when they're 12 in the Mormon church or something.   So So it's got a long, it's got a long history of that, and I shouldn't even be here to do this. I should have been killed in that automobile accident, folks.   Let me just by by the fact that I, which I normally never do, stuck that seat belt on that day. That's why I'm here.  

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Well, you and me both, Raj. Raj, my accident had I'm the only one that survived.   And the people the people that were in there when I saw a picture of of them,   they were in their seats. They were they were not out of position. It just looked like they were sleeping.   I I can't understand why they died.  

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Did you have the seat belt on?  

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I'm sure it did.  

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And I was not in the car. I I was outside the vehicle. Well, I can tell you the first thing that happened with that action. I would   my I drifted off to sleep, and Riggins evidently woke up, my best friend that was sitting next to me that died, and he saw what was happening. He yelled, Roger.   And   before I could open my eyes, the impact happened. And so when I did open my eyes, the windshield was gone. The only thing that I saw in the little old rental car front was squashed in, and,   all I could see you know, the rubber things they put in   around the seals of a window and stuff? The one of those was dangling in front of me, I remember.  

And the scene   was right there in front of me. And,   my my teeth had jolted together very hard, and it knocked off the enamel on several of them. And I had that gritty stuff in my mouth.   And I heard Riggins next to me   I heard the last breath go out of him. And,   the first thing that came to my mind was   I never should have lived through this. God has more work for me to do. And it was after that that   the door finally opened up with Bennett, and I got a a a foot in the door there. And it's just like Bart Flick said when we were talking about it when I was back in The States A Few Years ago, and he said, tragedy   is often new, it signifies new beginnings.  

And boy, isn't that   accurate?  

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Doctor. That is true.  

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Doctor. Yeah. Amazing. Well,   the tragedy of Ralph Winereau dying from the COVID going to the hospital,   that's what ended me up listening to that show when you were on it. Yep. Listening to Roger or Ralph's old time slot.  

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Well, both, both of you guys, I can tell you, both of you fit just right in tight and good and have added an awful lot of what we do. And like I say, it's a team effort. You know?   Well, we have a good team. I appreciate that. Yeah. We do. And, Mark's very good at what he does, I think, and Paul obviously is. So   it's pretty groovy. You know, we're waiting for the multitudes to come.  

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I I'm also,   amazed at the listening   the continuous people that are here that listens and stuff. I'm I really appreciate all the comments coming in from everybody around the world, around around the country.   It's amazing.  

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People we would never meet in an ordinary course of business. Yes. But yet they Actually, I've got a I've got a consult with a new one,   this week probably, John, from out there by you. Says been listening for years, read your book. I'm ready to take the plunge, and he's asking about somebody to help him do legal stuff, Mark. So you'll,   I'll point him bird dog him over there,   and, I'll find out more as we go along. But he's out in Southern California somewhere, I think. Oh, okay. Well, hook us up. I will. I will. Got to get to know him a little bit first.   Hey, Raj. But, yes, Paul.  



[02:07:38] Unknown:

I don't we're not to this point yet. But,   one of the changes that I made,   actually enabled me to connect   three   pre conference call rooms together.   And k. There are three of them connected right now. Two of them are idling because they don't have anyone in them. But,   we do have 3,000   seats right now.  

[02:08:04] Unknown:

Wow. That's pretty cool. At this at this audio quality, that's incredible. At this So good work. Quality.  

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Good work. Good work.  

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So anybody else got anything for me? What a wonderful show today and just different. You know?   Anybody else got anything for   me? No? Okay. Well  

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Are you looking forward to your 70   birthday?  

[02:08:30] Unknown:

Boy, I'll tell you, John.   I guess. Why not? I'm not gonna be able to stop it. I got something for you, Roger.   Okay. What do what, Dan? Dan Dan, you're a nice addition to the audience too. You're a wonderful   addition. Appreciate you. Also, and I I just love that. Idea. About  

[02:08:49] Unknown:

Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No. Go ahead. Alright. My idea for you is, it it has nothing to do with what we talk about on here and not in this mastermind, public enemy number one, brain trust over here.   It's just you. Stop counting birthdays. I did it. I'm 59, so last birthday I'll count. And I'm not counting your because I'm   good. Yeah. Yeah. I I have a feeling counting birthdays,   was part of programming us just like the schools and everything else. You count the birthdays, you program to expire at, you know, a certain time.  

[02:09:20] Unknown:

Could be. I can promise you if you and I sat down and had a chance to sit and talk, you wouldn't believe I was that age. I'd have a hard time believing it. I don't feel like I am   except for my eyes. And,   I'm in pretty good shape, and I'll I just love where I live and,   such a nice place. I see all the problems going on. I'm just real grateful that god showed me Ecuador here, and I've I've come to call it Shangri La.   And,   it's, it's quite a place. So I feel very fortunate. I got you guys. We got a wonderful, powerful message,   and, just, man, my   I don't know of any other time in my normal life that I've ever been as fulfilled   as I am now, and my life really have purpose. You know, out promoting records or doing whatever I was doing to make money, there wasn't any purpose in that. Maybe occasionally,   but nothing like this. K?  

Boy, this fills your life with purpose. It's wonderful.   Well, we wouldn't have Spyro Gyra if you didn't weren't out there. That's true. That's true. Yeah, Raj. And and that was that was a purpose. That was a real fulfilling thing,   for a number of reasons.   You're right. Yes. Hey, Raj?   Yes.  

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Paul. I quit I I didn't quit counting birthdays yet. I just switched to counting them in Celsius,   so I just had my last eighteenth birthday.  

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Okay. Well, that's cool.  

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That's cool. I like counting birthdays. I don't have any problem with it.  

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I popped into a little restaurant. I I've been wanting to pop into I like to try all these little restaurants and,   and and the other day. And   and it's upstairs thing, and then next to me was a table with   about 14 or 15   people about my age, and they were having a big birthday party   for one of them, guy. And it was so cool. They came, please come over and take pictures   and and all that stuff. So it was just kinda interesting. They sang Felice Cumpleanos,   whatever.   But, yep, pretty cool. It's a little couple of months away.   July is a really important month for me, though. A lot of really significant   things in my life have happened in July.  



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Yeah. You were born.  

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Well, that yes, Samuel.  

[02:11:46] Unknown:

Yeah. Earlier in the show, I didn't wanna interrupt because it was going so good. You we you mentioned mushrooms, and,   the go to guy in this country or probably in the world is a guy by the name of Paul Stamets.   He's up in Washington state.   Mhmm. And he has a website   called,   Fungi   Perfecti.   And if you wanna learn how to buy medicinal stuff through him,   he's already made or grow your own mushroom. Anything to do with mushrooms.   He's also written six books.  

[02:12:24] Unknown:

He's the guy. His name is Paul Stamets. If you put him in Well, this get get Hey, Samuel. Would you please spell that for the record? Because, you know, AI is making a transcript.  

[02:12:35] Unknown:

Oh, Stamets.  

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I can't spell for crap.  

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S  

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t a m I t z, maybe? The fungi perfecta. What is it? S t  

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a m t I s, I would guess.  

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It's s t a m e t s.  

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Oh. Oh, the number. Thank you.  

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There's another jewel  

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popped up there. Yeah. Well, I'm just seeing this guy this morning. He's pretty young. It's interesting. He got started in Bitcoin   and has, migrated over to mushrooms. So I'm not sure the connection there, but very sharp guy. Yeah. He'll be,   he he he he's he's very good. Anyway, okay. Mushrooms aren't necessarily my deal, but boy, sure is interesting to learn about them. And thank you Lisa  

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for that correction. They cover Lucky Lisa.  

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They're everywhere. No. They There's a microsillium  

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growing through the soils everywhere. Right. It's a whole web across the whole whole planet. He said if you took all of the rock  

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and all of the water from the Earth,   60%   of what was left would be mushrooms.  

[02:13:46] Unknown:

Wow. Yep. It's in every environment no matter how cold, how wet, how desert   it. There's there's there's a there's a matrix there that's communicating with itself. It's pretty Yeah. Pretty interesting stuff.  

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Good to hear you, Lisa.   Okay.   If nobody has anything for me, I'm gonna go hustle some lunch. Got a dentist appointment later this afternoon   and all the fun things. So,   otherwise, if you don't have anything for me, I'll see you tomorrow. And, of course, as always, we hope you have a great day.   So anybody gonna impair me from leaving?  

[02:14:23] Unknown:

Nope. Not me. Alright. John, great to hear you. Oh, hey, Roger. Welcome back. Roger. Roger. Yes.  

[02:14:30] Unknown:

Yes. Alright. I'll bring up a new subject.   This is Michael, Minnesota.  

[02:14:35] Unknown:

Hey, Michael.  

[02:14:40] Unknown:

See, I got a a CD, you know, cert what is that called? A certificate   deposit with the bank.   Yeah. And it's up for renewal,   and I did it last year. Right? It's a twelve month CD.   Right. And I did it as a US citizen. Right?   And my local checking account   is also as a US citizen,   And my savings account is on Monroe as a US citizen.   And if I wanna make a new CD,   they have a pre filled out form that says,   you're a US citizen,   check mark.   Yeah.   So now when I'm filling looking at the applications,   all of this is standing out to me now as a national.   This stuff is standing out to me like, woah. Woah. Woah. And what if I sign my name to this here? What's gonna happen to me? Right? Well, I don't think anything's gonna happen to you, but the question is with,  

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what really appears to be a real upward spike in gold coming, wouldn't you wanna pull that out there and buy something solid?  

[02:15:50] Unknown:

I'm still gonna have to understand what you're coming at. I mean, this is this is understand what   yeah. I under I understand what you're what what you're bringing up.   My  

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question is fill out forms.  

[02:16:04] Unknown:

Okay. Good. Let him finish, Sean. We can discuss it. Go ahead, Michael. No. You you know what I'm asking, Roger.   What's gonna happen? I don't, well, I don't think there's anything detrimental that would happen or they'd be discriminating against you. You are, in a sense, a citizen of The United States Of America   now. So,   I don't think that they,   if you're not gonna owe any taxes even if you've got a interest bearing checking account   now.   So I don't think anything's gonna change, and I don't think there's any kind of backlash   that I know of. So I  

[02:16:44] Unknown:

also, it does not   take away your citizenship status. Most people when they see that,   they're worried that they're gonna lose their status as national.   You can only lose your status as a national   if it's your intention   to to again pledge allegiance to The United States   to become a United States citizen again.   And if that's not your intention, filling out that form doesn't change a thing.   What if Actually, your political status is a higher and better status. Go ahead, Mark. Sorry to interrupt. Yes. But what what could happen is if they do have an option for nonresident   alien,   then they're gonna wanna withhold 30%   from whatever   whatever,   interest you gain from that.  

And you're really exempt from all of that.   So I don't have a problem. If they don't have a spot   to select as a national,   then I'm just gonna go ahead and select US citizen and just go about my merry way. My affidavit,   my intention is to be a national and not a US citizen.  

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A couple of years ago, somebody called in one day. He was doing a I think it was a Wells Fargo   application for credit card or something. They said, are you a citizen of The United States or a national? They had the option right in there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's some enlightened ones, but the thing is is that if you're only given the option,  

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it's under the doctrine of necessity.   You're you can use it.  

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Exactly.   You you can't be discriminated   against.   So you know? And and it doesn't waive your status as a national.  

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So don't don't be fearful of of selecting US citizen. And I I guarantee you, if you checked, you are a citizen of The United States, there'd never be any repercussions from it.   No.  

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I don't see any you wanna go,  

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the other way is because the reporting requirements. That's all. They're they're gonna send a ten ninety nine or whatever form they send in. Yeah. Well, if you put the IRS on notice and they get the ten ninety nine from you, they already understand your status, and it won't befall you. Exactly. Yeah.  

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Yeah.  

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The other thing too is you have plausible denial. You could always say, well, I thought that was United States Of America.  

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Yeah. Yeah. You can interpret that blanket term too. You know? I mean,   and when they say, are you a US person?   Yeah. I'm a US person. United States Of America.  

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Yes. Yeah. But you gotta put a in there.   The US person give you the option, Roger.   Well, then that that is a federal citizen, US person.  

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Yes. But it doesn't give you the option.   It's no so under doctrine of necessity, you have that's the only choice you have if you're gonna Okay. Keep the account. I get it. I get it. I didn't change any of my accounts. I changed my status, but I didn't go back and change the counts I've had for twenty, thirty years. Yeah. Yep.  

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Yeah. See, Michael, you'll never hear anybody come come in here and talk about blowbacks from these things. I know you're new,  

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relatively. But because they just don't experience I'm new in the sense that I'm finally   doing this. So it feels different for me now.  

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Right. Right. Right. Well,  

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yeah. And I I agree with Roger.   I would not   keep any money. I don't keep any money in a bank. Uh-uh.   I I only use money orders or credit cards,   period.  

[02:20:17] Unknown:

Yep. Yeah. And, man, I mean, you know, it may be that overnight, Gulf goes it's up 30 it was over 3,300   the last time I looked, Friday.   It could spike up to $2,030,000   dollars if it goes on an extreme   overnight.   It's going up regardless.  

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K? There's no question.  

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Because the falsity and the fraud of the paper money system is getting to a point where it's gotta be addressed.   So I just tell you that,  

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I I don't give you financial advice, Michael, but that'd be a real smart thing to do if you can find any. Well, there's a purpose of the account, Raj. I mean, why do you have the account, and why are you using a CD? And are you is this money that you're gonna intend to spend some time, or can you just park it and leave it there?  

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I mean, just parking, you know, maybe in here.   In fact,   my idea was   the taxes that I'm not gonna pay, I'm just gonna put into a savings account.   That'll be my retirement each year. Whatever taxes I would normally have paid each year Mhmm. And put it away.  

[02:21:25] Unknown:

And But at least put it percent. Put it in something solid. Don't leave it in Federal Reserve notes.   Please.  

[02:21:32] Unknown:

Alright. Yeah. I prefer,   non interest bearing,   money orders, blank money orders. I don't even care if I get a return on it,   because at some point I might want to liquidate it and I don't want to pay any penalties or anything like that.   You can go down to the post office and you can buy blank money orders and just hang on to them. And when you're done with it, if you want to liquidate, why don't you go back down to the post office and liquidate it? Just say, I'm I'm not going to use this. I'm going to turn it back in and they'll give you the cash. Okay. If you want a rate of return,   you've got to offset inflation if you want to account for this thing. And Roger's right. You've got to either get in you've got to get into something that's going to inflate   equal to or in excess of the inflation rate   and that you can convert back to any currency.  



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By the way, I really appreciate   John's opinion on this because   he is or has been a certified financial planner.   There's quite a bit to become a certified financial planner. It's just somebody who can go to a weekend seminar.   You know,   you didn't go to some weekend seminar and then start calling yourself a financial planner.  

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So Yeah. Nope. Can't do that.   Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.   Paul, one time I would suggest.  

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Yeah. If you're gonna get money orders and just hang on to them, it's a little bit more expensive because you gotta buy more money orders.   But I found it very difficult because I live in, like, a a rural area, small village, only a couple of thousand people,   nearest post office that's big enough to be able to handle a larger money order is 35 miles away.  

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I would get smaller Wait a minute. Money orders money orders the maximum money order is a thousand dollars.  

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Yeah. You can't buy one with more than I would go no I would go no more than $2.50.  

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Because You could buy as many 2 fifties as you want. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Well, well, that's what I'm suggesting. Instead, you can get a thousand dollar money order, but it's gonna be hard to cash because you have to find a post office that has that much money on hand.  

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And they do. Believe me. You can you can deposit a a postal money order in your bank account.  

[02:23:50] Unknown:

Yeah. You can do that too.  

[02:23:53] Unknown:

Michael, I wanna give you my personal experience here.   You twenty, twenty five years ago, so I had incredible   cash flow. I had no expenses, literally.   And,   I took and put all that money into gold.   And all the gold that I hold   today,   I purchased at less than $300   an ounce.   The spot price Friday was 3,341.   Gold has been the highest producing   asset since the turn of the century.   So FYI,   if you wanna look for somebody really legitimate I mean, there's some very good dealers out there,   but this guy, Kirk Elliott, that's on Alex a lot, kepm.com,   is real solid and he doesn't   he does bullion. And it all comes from the Texas Bullion Depository.  

And you can have your metals in there and even have a debit card where you could draw value off of them.  

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I have a good Jewish guy out here that does it does some kind of stuff.  

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So anyway, FYI, it's a whole industry. You if you're not familiar with it, it's got a lot of nuances and whatnot, but   it's just the way to go for me.   So just FYI. Okay? Yep. I gotta go. Breakfast is calling. I gotta go too.   Lunch is calling.   I'll see y'all tomorrow.   John's pleasure. The sound is excellent, John Paul. Thank you. And, we'll see you tomorrow. Ciao. Have a good one. It's gonna be interesting to see if anything develops today.   Bye bye.  

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Bye, Raj.   Anybody else got anything to add, or should we take the stream down?  

[02:25:43] Unknown:

No. I have nothing. I gotta get busy.  

[02:25:46] Unknown:

Alright. Well, thanks for being here, John. I'd like to add something, Paul.   If   people   wanna really   begin to wrap their heads around about how diabolical that fourteenth amendment is,   how it brought in commerce, the importance of Erie Railroad,   They should read   the Gross piece,   USA, the Republic, the house that nobody lives in,   and how important   on top of that losing the gold   standard was and how that affected   commerce along with the fourteenth amendment.  

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That's kind of another one too.  

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So I would I would suggest that for people. Another another book that has a whole chapter  

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dedicated,   to such things like Erie Railroad and everything else is Pied Pipers of Babylon,   and it is   in docs.org   slash thematrix.com   in,   the folder   t y n a s, and that stands for twelve years not a slave.   It is a compendium   of over a thousand PDF works.   Just go to Pied Pipers of Babylon.   Grab it. It's a good read. It's large type, wide margins,   and it doesn't take a whole lot of time to get through it, and it is   devastating   to the deep state.  

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Yeah. Pro stuff is real technical   and I mean, I I've gotta read it over and over and over sometimes to just to get a sentence.   But,   the content that is there in   in the amount of pages   is awfully dense.  

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Hey, Samuel. Would you spell fungi perfecti, that guy's website?  

[02:27:47] Unknown:

Oh,   again, you're asking a guy who  

[02:27:50] Unknown:

I I I think it would be f u n g   I p e r f e c t I.  

[02:27:59] Unknown:

Yeah, I would think so too.   But now we got it on the transcript. Yeah.  

[02:28:04] Unknown:

Yeah.   Oh, and You guys, the transcripts,  

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what Paul's got set up here is just fantastic,   a great description of the discussion.   But then the transcript   is just   a gold mine in getting information.   You can download it.  

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John, I understand you're responsible for putting out that two page documents of cases between citizen and citizen.   Is that true?  

[02:28:34] Unknown:

BF: yeah, primarily. Yeah. But I got that   from,   Stills,   and we redid it and and and made it readable. He actually took it away. He's rebuilt his status, his his page over there and changed it again. A lot of that research came from a guy here   who studied under,   sir Richard McDonald.   And that's where that came from. And then he used it over there, and I grabbed it before he changed it.   And then I started using that in my classes because   when you start trying to tell people that there's a status change and that they aren't who they think they are, that they have constitutional   rights,   this is the only way to disabuse them with something that they would accept, which are supreme court cases and state cases.  

So I've always started the class   that way and the video that I did concentrated on two things. It concentrated on going through that document, but the second part was Raj   explaining,   you know, why we're a slave and how they did that.   That little video is on Rumbold's fantastic. It's a nice short version.   It gets people thinking.   But the the, you know, when you start sending, giving those case sites, which most people have never seen or heard,   it really opens their eyes, you know, because at least I know I'm a United States citizen.  

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Yeah. It's an excellent tool to educate our   I don't wanna call them our enemies, but our AGs and our sheriffs, and they respect that. And   if you try to   I was worried about, you know, using the national status just because   it's so difficult   to get it across to this group, much less get it across   to a sheriff who's looking for The US,   American Samoan   as what you're talking about and just thinks you're nuts. Right?   So Yeah. I think it's important. Those cases are so important.  

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They are. Hey, John. They really are.  

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John. I remember yeah. A quick Google search for fungi perfecti   not only returned   a sponsored,   result from hostdefense.com.   Host defense and fungi perfecti host defense from Paul Stamets,   s t a m e t s. And then also the next hit is fungi.com,   which is the fungi perfecti home.  

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Fungi.com.   Great.  

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Mhmm.  

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Yeah. Good old good old Google.  

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Good old Google.  

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I'm,  

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still   finishing off my,   my land patent elodeum, and   this is a statement I'm making   in it that's it's just a footnote   in the document.   And   this is what   I'm telling them.   This document   is part of my Emancipation   of Will to expatriate   absolute from the fourteenth amendment's feudal citizenship and its democracy   and return in peace   to the Republic   and its God given protections   for the dominion of the peaceful,   private   Christian man.  

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I don't know that you need to use the word expatriate.   I would purge that word and do it a different way.   You're claiming your your status that you've been   miss you know, misdirect as   wrong status.  

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We got an issue with that.   That Expatriate,   it's it's sort of needed, and I haven't used it yet either. And I hope we can discuss some more of this because I need to know about elodium too. I got some I I got it mostly figured out, I think,   But I I don't really understand, like, how to record it and get it into them. But expatriate  

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is something that we hey. We need to let Well, that's why the that's why the document that we put together   that we put together,   Roger's doing on this one pager that that we started with, Spingola,   don't expatriate, repatriate.  

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You know, I like that. I do I do totally appreciate that because I don't want to use the word expatriate. It seems like it might come with some certain hidden dangers.  

[02:33:23] Unknown:

You know? Well, that's because they they do. The IRS, the government will grab on on the hold of the word expatriation, and they'll say, well, you know, if you're expatriating,   then you need to come over here and we have to we have to discuss your your leaving the company. You're expatriating the fourteenth amendment. I mean, I I agree with you. Got a problem, you know. I'm just saying. Anyway.  

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Those was one of those what they wanna do in their documents. Yeah. Right. What I'm doing.  

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Well   well, you like to trigger people.   You like to trigger people. No. I don't.  

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I do not. I wanna I wanna be clear with them,   And this is part of my boilerplate   to basically let them know that   I'm moving out of all the fictions that they've created around me and,   you know, moving into, actually being a   a living, breathing   creation of   the creator, and   I'm really not interested in any of their souvenirs for  

[02:34:22] Unknown:

Can I give my thoughts? Status.  

[02:34:24] Unknown:

Yeah. What other problems could we run into with this expatriation   business? Because I Yeah.   I I'm in love with the word, and I'm also quite nervous about it just like you I support I'm putting in. So what is it your feeling is about   expatriation?  

[02:34:42] Unknown:

The thing is you were never patriated to the fourteenth amendment as a citizen. It was a presumption.   It was a presumption   in fraud.   So you're not expatriating   from something you ever patriated   to,   And you are not repatriating   to the Republic   Of The United States Of America because you always were a patriot to the Republic Of The United States Of America.   The only thing you're doing is rebutting the the presumption of fourteenth amendment citizenship,   labeling you as   a subject of The United States.  

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Yeah. As a federal citizen. Okay.  

[02:35:23] Unknown:

That helps.   Thanks. Thank you for that.  

[02:35:30] Unknown:

Wow. But the, the wording when we first started using it and passing it around to get people to read it, it was catchy little thing for people to,   grab onto.   But there was a different option, you know, you weren't we weren't expatriating anything, we were claiming our original status.   That was the whole point of the documents.  

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Clarifying   the actual existence   of the patriation   onto the soil, land and soil of the Republic.  

[02:35:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, their claim is that when you were born, you became one of them.   Yeah. And you stepped in that. To where that was weekly. Signing up with all their stuff. So   it's a clear statement to   back out of there. In fact,   it's in Brose's statement on his   declaration of independence. He's in gets into the part of the rest of the trust, etcetera, as part of all this,   which wasn't appropriate here because it didn't need that much. But   I just wanna make it clear with them. And   I've also selected several of those cases   as footnotes,   John,   off that document that you   created?  



[02:36:42] Unknown:

I've got something for people to chew on for a subsequent show.  

[02:36:50] Unknown:

Oh, I don't know, but we don't have enough to chew on already.  

[02:36:54] Unknown:

Hey. No. I've got I've got something good to chew on.   Really good.   Here we go.   The pledge of allegiance.   I want everybody to think about that   because Yeah. I've always wondered about that too. Why don't we reflect Let's talk about it. But Why are we pledging a flag?   It's right. Okay. But   alright. So   in the 1892,   her first version was, I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation,   indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.   And it stayed pretty much the same   until,   1924   when it went to, I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States   Of   America   and to the Republic   for which it stands, one nation, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.  

And the 1954   version, which is current today,   I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the Republic   for which it stands, one nation under God,   indivisible,   with liberty and justice for all. Now as far as reciting those two identical? Weren't those identical? Could I miss a word? It added under god in 1954.   Okay?   But with respect to recital,   congressional   sessions open with the recital of the pledge as do many government meetings at local levels and meetings held by many private organizations.   All states except Nebraska, Hawaii, Vermont, and Wyoming   require a regularly scheduled recitation of the pledge in public schools. Many states give a variety of exemptions   from   reciting the pledge, such as California, which requires a patriotic   exercise   every day, which would be satisfied by the pledge, but it is not enforced.  

The Supreme Court has ruled in West Virginia State Board of Education v Barnett   that students cannot be compelled to recite the pledge nor can they be punished for not doing so. In several states, state flag pledges of allegiance are required to be recited   after the pledge to the American   flag.   Now congressional   sessions   open up with the recital   of a pledge   pledging allegiance   to the flag of The United States Of America   and to the Republic,   not a democracy,   for which it stands,   one nation   under God,   big g,   capital g God there,   indivisible with liberty and justice for all.  

Are these guys   violating the very pledge they took at the opening session   when they do anything de facto   moments later?  

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Yeah. I absolutely. I believe so. It's the case.  

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That could Okay. I think we should   I think we should talk about that and figure out a way to hold their feet to the damn fire because they cannot not recognize   your allegiance to the republic   for which the flag that they pledge allegiance to stands, and they cannot   not recognize   God as your sovereign   because   they recognize   this is a nation under God.  

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Yeah. There's a In this country. This country, I understand, when the state flag was flown above   the union jack.  

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Of course.   When That was when the states had it.   Say what, Rick? There's another issue.  

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When was my first pledge?   Sorry. Go ahead.  

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The first pledge was I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.  

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When?  

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That was 1892.  

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That could be interpreted as state.   That is good. That sounds like state to me. Yeah. I wanna give John a warning.   John, Pied Pipers of Babylon,   the it was written in the eighties.   And   there is an element   of patriot mythology in there, but you have to get past that and ignore it and keep going because it's got lots of good stuff in it. Okay?   The the thing I wanted to bring up is is   I pledge allegiance I'm gonna go with the one and a half under God, and it's the one I remember growing up. They stopped using it in most schools, by the way, at least in Massachusetts.   So I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America. Well, in the beginning,   United States Of America   had   was also was it not also an an   unincorporated   du jour, but separate entity? It was a title for the institution   that would be the government.  

Isn't that true?   Because if it is, then I pledge allegiance to The United States Of I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America,   and then they differentiate   it by saying, and to the republic for which it stands. So they're saying I I have a joint I have a split pledge. I've always been concerned that that was the case   with this pledge because   The United States   I mean, United States Of America   also had the title of United States Of America. We all know the word a title is a fiction. It's not a living, breathing soul.  

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Well, the 1923   to 1924   pledge,   I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States.   They added They will. Of America in 1924.  

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Oh, so they already tried to get us.  

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I gotcha.  

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If you're pledging against your country, it's not a good thing. Right? Because your country is your state.  

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I just wonder why do they they they separated.   I always suspect the worst. They separated   out the two because they wanted to create a separation,   United States Of America and to the Republic for which it stands.   In other words, I have power over the Republic. I'm pledging allegiance to this thing that is more powerful than the Republic.   I stand for the Republic.   I I don't know. It just seems   I would add a few words to it   to just make it really clear.   I pledge allegiance   to the flag of the unincorporated   United States Of America   and to the republic   of 50 states,   things like that just to, like, clear it up. Of course, that doesn't roll off the tongue as easy when you're eight years old with your hand over your heart. But  

[02:44:02] Unknown:

Right. Well, they they created a government.   They didn't I mean, they didn't create a country.  

[02:44:09] Unknown:

I agree.   Yeah. You're right. That's a good point. Also, I I also have to take into account all the schools started getting rid of the pledge, so I know they feared it. So that led me back to saying, well, maybe it did mean what I think it always said from little. Well, the problem they have is they use the demon word democracy  

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all the time.   Democracy.   We're not a democracy, and I'm tired of all these politicians using that word.  

[02:44:34] Unknown:

We are a democracy under bankruptcy post 1933.  

[02:44:39] Unknown:

Some people say it's a democratic republic. What's that?  

[02:44:44] Unknown:

Yeah.   It's a constitutional  

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republic, Dom Az. A represent representative republic.   Where where the representatives are in the states, and the those state representatives are more easily held to account. That was the idea.   Where one body still had to be elected by the people, and the other body was appointed.   And they would clash, and they had to agree, and it just slowed everything down and made it harder   to make all of the mayhem happen.   It's just that they  

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But the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendment made it a democracy.  

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Yeah. It it it didn't enter in that aspect of the democracy   for the people who volunteered in, who didn't actually volunteer in.  

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Equity.   Not individual rights anymore.  

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Right.  

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So at least I wanna be clear   that I was not calling you a dumbass. I was referring to the people you were referring to.  

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Of course.  

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I wanna be clear.  

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I I I know. I know. I I have my theory on the Democratic Republic is, you know, where you got the two wolves and a sheep voting on what for dinner what's for dinner, but the sheep's got a gun.  

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That's funny. Mhmm.   Oops. Got no fingers to pull the trigger, though.  

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How about the DDR,   the Deutsche Democratic   Republic?  

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I don't know what you Eastern Germany.  

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You know all about it.   Anything dictatorial.   They have the Stasi.  

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I think that, you know what, democratic republic sounds like an anti moron.   It sounds a little bit like not fully, but, quite a bit. Like like, 80%, it sounds like an oxymoron.   Well,  

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look at the moron in charge of,   Germany now. Merkel.   She was released Germany.  

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Well, because if you can take democracy and throw it into a republic, then the republic is no longer representative.   It's mob rules.   Just like just like they taught our soldiers right up until what? Like 1929   in The US military handbook.   The three different forms of government, that that democracy always deteriorates into tyranny,   and,   the republic republicanism   requires statesmanship   and and and theme minds to stay and honor,   or else they get in trouble.  

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When they printed that thing federalism, and federalism is communism.   Well, when they printed that thing, we were well into communism,   at least since 1860   or '61.  

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All they have to do is to call the cat a dog.  

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The republic is, two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.   The sheep is armed with the second amendment and a 44 magnum.   You're welcome.  

[02:47:59] Unknown:

I prefer a four sixty Roland.  

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Thank you.  

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It's too funny because you're a badass.  

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Well, it gives a nineteen eleven or a 45,   the power of a 44 Magnum.  

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Yeah. This is like I said, that's because you're a badass.  

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Yeah. That is all that.  

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I don't know. I think we could really, really have a,   a, exciting,   discussion about the pledge of allegiance and just,  

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you know, just pledging in general. I think we could too. I think we could too. Now they had to say it as children.   Like, I remember in this fifty's, sixty's and seventy's,   even in the eighty's,   and then it sort of slowed down and then it stopped. So, the only reason that de facto would choose to stop that,   is because they rightfully were afraid of it. Each time you pledge allegiance to it, it's directly contradictory   to,   I pledge allegiance to United States Corporation.  

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Right.  

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The Godless entity of Planet Earth, and to the devil for which it stands.   You know?   So so in a way that means something.  

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That whole word is so futile.   It's in the least man. Right?   Pledging. I mean, for Pete's sakes.   It's a poor intruder.  

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I'll get Red Skelton's version of it. There's a recording on two tickets somewhere.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. I actually think I downloaded it, but I have no clue where it would be.  

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Not that I'd wanna say the thing or believe in it, but  

[02:49:53] Unknown:

yeah. And I wonder, was it just because of the way the phrase turned that they put flag?   Like, because I don't really wanna pledge allegiance to an inanimate object   per se.   They did they did then get in for which it stands.   I guess that does sort of nullify the inanimity of it. But  

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Yeah. But Brent Winters would would still call it idol worship.  

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Okay. Okay. Yeah. I I sort of okay.   I it so that that potentially takes us out of out of,   out of   the nature and nature's god aspect of what founded us.  

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Mhmm. You cannot serve two masters.  

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But you still need to declare an allegiance to the place that actually protects you. We all owe an allegiance to the republic,   at least in as much as we live here, and foreign marauders don't generally show up on our shores like Somali gunmen and rob us. So we are protected   by the standing army of the of of United States slash United States Of America.   So   it's it's okay. I accept that allegiance and that duty for what is it? Rights for duties and duties for rights or something.  

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I forgot the Allegiance for protection protection   for allegiance.  

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Right. Exactly. We were   we were taken over by our own orders   right at the very beginning   of all when they went to amend the articles of Confederation   and instead came out with the constitution,   that was when we got hijacked.   Bunch of greedy a holes.   Yeah. They were not God they were they were not God ordained   men.  

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It's a kind of kit you tie on. Keep you nursing on the gov federal government for from cradle to grave.  

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Mhmm. Yeah. There's a reason. There's very few replacement words that are nice and easy to use in a sentence like allegiance is because it's been around forever,   and it's been the condition of mankind  

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forever.   My allegiance to the Lord.  

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Yeah. We the idiots that pay a rent to live on a free planet. It's amazing.  

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And We the People   wasn't us.   It was them.  

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I really need to coin our own new term. That's what we need to do   and give it a definition, and that would be a great discussion.  

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Mhmm.   Yeah. And get it out there. It's just that they did have to do something back then because   the the confederate the confederacy,   the papers of the confederacy were   kept to that sort of a loose ragtag band of rebels   in a sense. Sort of like, you know, like they always said on the a team, you know, a ragtag band of whatever. But   meaning,   we could have fallen apart quite easily   if it were just the articles of Confederation governing us. It it it worked fine.  

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It kept government at bay.  

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But it wasn't there, but it didn't keep the 50 states quite together,   or maybe There were 13 colonies.   Yep. Where are the two colonies?  

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So much of it had had to do with war and   and protecting a king and that kind of thing. I mean, in England, the the king actually went out at one point and killed all the horses that weren't big enough because he didn't want horses   chewing up his grass that weren't big enough to mount and fight in a war.  

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Also, the name the actual name of the articles of Confederation   how the articles of confederation   in perpetual   union.   So   how could we   lose our cohesiveness?  

[02:54:06] Unknown:

Okay. I I'm ignorant. I don't pretend to have a ton of a ton of information. I know enough about the articles to know what they stood for.  

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Do you ever   listen to,   your DIY health on Thursdays?  

[02:54:23] Unknown:

I I normally catch it afterwards. I love that guy. You're you're talking about stubbornness. My daddy.   Yeah. The guy who's always showing the the slides   and and and   and pissed to no end at wanting to go into court and and sue those bastards, that guy. No. No. No. He's not.  

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Okay.  

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Totally different person. Because he always starts with DIY too. I forget his name.  

[02:54:49] Unknown:

No. It's your DIY   health, and that's Jeff Ram's channel.  

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I have it. FCC.  

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Let me look this up.  

[02:55:00] Unknown:

All you have to do you're are you on a phone, or are you on the FCC  

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app? I'm on I'm on the FCC app.  

[02:55:09] Unknown:

Okay.   Well, once you bounce out of here, you just go to your   DIY   health, and that's Jim Ram's,   channel. I don't think he's on today.   He he's only got two days a week now. I think the day is the non day, Brent.  

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Oh, it is? Okay. I think it's Monday. I think it's Monday and Thursday. Yeah. I think so. Oh, okay.  

[02:55:33] Unknown:

He only went to two days? Did before.  

[02:55:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. He did.  

[02:55:38] Unknown:

Yeah. He's having one breathing problem. He wants to do more exercise.  

[02:55:42] Unknown:

You're saying health. Healthiness. You're DIY.  

[02:55:46] Unknown:

No. Health like healthy. Do you have access to the chat?  

[02:55:50] Unknown:

I do.  

[02:55:51] Unknown:

I I put the link in the chat.  

[02:55:53] Unknown:

Alright. Alright. Thank you so much. Because she's cool. Like, thank you so much.  

[02:55:58] Unknown:

If if if if you read   if you read Lee Bros. Piece, he makes the argument in there that the articles of Confederation   were debated   in every state   and incorporated in the Constitution to their content.   And Michael doesn't wanna hear any of that, of course, but,   there's a five volume group of books called Elliott's Debates that covers   the state debates   during that period of time.   And he likes the constitution. He knows the weaknesses in it.   He sees what Judge Storey was trying to do to protect us from commerce.   It's a great read. It's difficult read. I'll be very frank, but   it gives you another point of view anyway of   what was going on and, you know,   a lot of these guys were lawyers. I mean, what can you expect? You know? But   he thinks they did a pretty good job, but but but we,   as we progressed forward,   sort of let a lot of it slip. And it was still working and I think pretty well   be because they had to have the Civil War to get rid of the restrictions that were on them. And that's one of the main reasons for the Civil War   was   to   to take what the true weakness of that document was, and Patrick McHenry pointed it out best. There's no way to stop a tyrant.  

And   a tyrant in the name of Lincoln   took advantage of what was one of the greatest weaknesses, the constitution,   and the power that's in the presidency without be being able to, check it.   And I I think that's pretty much the case.  

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What was that? I put a link in the chat for that Elliott's debates,   and the link I put in actually has an audio for them also.  

[02:58:02] Unknown:

Just Five volumes? I mean, they're all about a thousand each, I think.  

[02:58:06] Unknown:

I I I I I don't know. I just brought it up, and I've seen that there was an audio,   so I'm not sure.  

[02:58:13] Unknown:

Interesting.   Yeah. According to Brost, you know, they they went through, and I asked Mike about the Elias debates, and he wasn't   aware   of   them.   But, yeah, he   he thinks they did a real good job of putting together a document,   but there's   we're outside of the document,   as we well know.   And a lot of it got there through Lincoln.   I yield.  

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What does that mean outside of the document?  

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Wasn't written for us. Well, there's there's clauses in the constitution   where you can do things   that sit outside of it, and he points those out.   And   a lot of them are   are acquiescence   to   things like the fourteenth amendment.   The right to contract   is   is is is granted in there. Right?   Yet we're contracting   outside   of what the constitution   says   we should be doing.  

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Sort of   a way of explaining it. That also apply to  

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shall have shall be sovereign   for all matters whatsoever over the jurisdiction of the 10 mile square called Washington, DC. Mark, this is Suzanne with Canyon Heights. Could you please give me a call That's what the fourteenth amendment is all about. Right?  

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It's about them having jurisdiction over   all the borders   of the states.   That that's the argument that that he's making on this thirteenth amendment and Erie Railroad.   But the right They talked about it as being diversity, but that guy   had no no standing. He had no rights because he was a fourteenth amendment citizen.  

[03:00:09] Unknown:

Right. You're you're unmuted. For about a year.  

[03:00:12] Unknown:

Wow. And I keep calling me the messages, emailing, nothing. Yeah. We hear everything. Out of here. W way through all that. Yeah. I even crawled up on the porch. Someone calling a customer service place So I don't know if he's hear every bit of it. Forgot that he's paying   133   months. I don't know. How do you not notice that? But what can I help you with? You don't need me to  

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There. Found it.   Okay.  

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I wonder what AI is gonna do with that.  

[03:00:45] Unknown:

Probably try and transcribe it   for crying out loud.   Alright. So that's the three hour mark   in the, shell.  

[03:00:58] Unknown:

What am I supposed to see in your DIY help? I'm here at least on its website.  

[03:01:04] Unknown:

The the show is on,   the show is in a free conference called Room.   So you use the app and go to instead of PPN Radio Ranch, go to   Your DIY   Health   as the room name. And when the show is on,   he will be there. Yeah.  

[03:01:26] Unknown:

Yeah. I just have a phone number I dial to go in.  

[03:01:31] Unknown:

Yeah.   If you have, if you have the ability to use the app and connect,   there's no reason to dial in because the audio quality is better in the app and you have access to the chat and all in.  

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Yeah. Well, I'm a dumb shit, so I never got around to it.  

[03:01:51] Unknown:

I would never say that something like that to your face, Samuel. Never.   Oh, good. Love you, man.  

[03:02:00] Unknown:

Hey. Hey, Paul. I have a comment on that  

[03:02:03] Unknown:

fellow that wants wanted to know about a lodium or a lodial. That's me. That's me. Yeah. I I went through what's his name.   Who's that guy, the Indian guy who bought in our services and,   one of my Gibson, Ron Gibson.  

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Oh, yeah. Allodium? The definition of allodium in Black Sloth Dictionary,   sixth edition.   Allodium,   land held absolutely in one's own right   and not of any lord or superior.   Land not subject to any feudal duties or burdens.   Black's Law Dictionary, sixth edition, Allodio.   Free, not holding of any lord or superior with owned without obligation or vassalage   or fealty,   the opposite of feudal.  

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Anyway, I'm just just saying.  

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The question is, how do you get there?   And in the book of the hundreds, I got my   first, I think, real tangible clue as how you actually   arrive at an elodium   or elodial rite. They say an elodial title is a misnomer.   There's no such thing.   They cannot buy an elodium.   So if you purchase something and think you can put elodium on it,  

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say no,   it has to come through.  

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The true Wait a minute. Elodium has to come through inheritance.  

[03:03:33] Unknown:

Wait a minute. Wait a minute.  

[03:03:34] Unknown:

And and what they suggest you do as a Christian   is take the inheritance through Jesus Christ.  

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Yeah. But I wanna drill down on on what,   Jerry Garcia was reading,   because,   he says that   elodium   in elodium or elodium rite is the opposite   of feudal.   Feudal   is servitude.   If a state   refuses   to allow   someone who is a natural   individual   a loadial   right to their property, they are forcing them   in a feudal condition,   which is a violation of the thirteenth amendment to the United States Constitution.  

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That's true.  

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There's an angle to hold their feet to the fire. Accepted that feudal position.  

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As a fourteenth amendment, you accepted that feudal position.  

[03:04:42] Unknown:

You didn't accept it if you rebutted it?   Yeah.   You didn't know it?  

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You know, Ron Gibson thinks there's a federal lien on all the land, and you need to pay that off. You know, I I originally introduced Ron Gibson to the group, and   I think it's an excellent book to have.   I   I think his process might be   might might be something you want to use,   but I particularly   don't think he's right on a number of things.   And I think the only way you're gonna get   this elodium   in right is through the inheritance of Jesus Christ.  

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Well, he did have that. He's according to him, he's had success in every state in the union. He's, like, constantly working at it.  

[03:05:35] Unknown:

Well, yeah. I I I don't know what his success rate really is, but   he didn't even understand the the state citizen or national status   up until a few years ago,   and I think started incorporating   that.   So I think what   what what Ron was doing, because he's an excellent   constitutional   scholar as well,   I think he I think he was basically   forcing with all his paperwork and   his,   you know, putting it in public for sixty days, etcetera.   He was trying to   take the   the the lowercase citizen and make him an uppercase citizen.   And But but to use without the national status, I don't think you do that.  



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Actually, sort of either way in certain respect because as we know, we can get out of a court case by our doing their procedure.   They'd be like, dude, your procedure sucked. You didn't do this. You didn't do that. You didn't do this. And that's not going into the constitution at all. I have a feeling something similar happens here.   You put that notice in, you make sure to swap it out once a week, and you go down there and post it in case someone took it down. You throw up an Internet address or something,   and you take out an ad, and you you track all of this stuff, and then you go down. Because I talked to him on the phone twice now, and he said, listen. As soon as you can go back and get every name   every name that has been on that supposedly on that deed back to the beginning,   that's all I need. I just need the names. I don't even need to know how much they bought it for. I need the names and the dates.  

And and with that, I make the elodium sandwich, and I put it in a very specific order. And you go down and record that and put up your notices,   and then start noticing the agencies as to what you've done and to buy them to prove it's not so.  

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Snickers. So he's got a  

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he's not calling it he's calling it he used to call it a patent sandwich. Is it a little Patent sandwich. Well, because patent sandwich. My bad. That is what he he calls it. Yeah. And the thing is there's a patent and a grant because over here, we're the grant in in New England and,   West Of The Mississippi, there are patents. And I don't know how how   how literal that dividing line is. But in the East, they're grants. In the West, they're patents. I'm not sure  

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why they did that. Well, for us in his book also talks about,   real property,   and   the only way you can actually own is   being a non fourteenth Amendment   type.   And that makes sense. That's important. I think that's the most important thing because prop like Roger said, property can't own property. I did one in 02/2010,   but I was property yet. So technically, I was filing paperwork that didn't mean anything.   So  

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Checkers. So there was a court case   there was a court case up in Montana where a lady was trying to do this, and   she did not get anywhere until she changed her status. And once she changed her status,   she didn't have any problem. And he said it was complete turnaround by the court.  

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Stickers.   Use stickers to do your notices.   You know, the QR code.   You just make a QR code and get a, like, a hundred stickers and start sticking them on, like, your car window and start sticking them on pages of things that the public notice thing, like, the for sale thing in the in the entryway of grocery stores and drugstores and stuff. You stick one on a on a light pole,   here and there, and   curiosity   will get people   to scan that QR code just to figure out what it is. That's public notice, my friends.  

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That's damn good idea.  

[03:09:27] Unknown:

That's a good idea. And what would you say on the thing? The QR code would have to have a blurb above it so people don't just   No. Scan that.  

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No. Just a q no. Just a QR code with no purpose, with no reason for it being there. People will scan that sucker just to figure out what it is. Yeah. Go to every Costco in the bathroom and put them on the on the walls of the toilets.  

[03:09:49] Unknown:

QR code is notice. If attached to a document, that is a public one of the ways of public notice. Absolutely. I I have a QR code for notice.paulbeiner.com.  

[03:10:02] Unknown:

You   could also barcode it. Any,  

[03:10:05] Unknown:

shopping carts on, Costco or Sam's or any of those places. Oh, yeah. Walmart.  

[03:10:10] Unknown:

And and that website just holds your your national status and a few other things that are relevant to what we're doing here. Just go to just go to notice.paulbeiner.com   and tell me what you find there. Oh, dude. I'm just asking when I can just go there. Beiner, b e a n e r. That's so funny. That's so funny. No. B I e n e r.  

[03:10:30] Unknown:

Notice   .paul,   b I e n e r, Com.  

[03:10:39] Unknown:

Notice. N0tice.PaulBeiner.  

[03:10:45] Unknown:

B a u l   Yep. B I e n b e r.   And Bravo,   India, Echo, November, Echo, Romeo. Oh, Romeo. Got it.  

[03:10:58] Unknown:

Thank you for not saying the as in   part.   Yeah. Everyone does it. Theygottastop.com.  

[03:11:07] Unknown:

Hey, guys. It's been fun. I gotta go   talk to you later.  

[03:11:12] Unknown:

I just tried putting in www.  

[03:11:15] Unknown:

Notice No. Don't do that. Just notice. There's no www.  

[03:11:21] Unknown:

Alright. Thank you.  

[03:11:24] Unknown:

Thank you. I haven't seen Gibson's   latest paperwork or anything like that, but, if he doesn't have the   It's a Google Drive. Repudiation of the fourteenth amendment citizen, then it's not very good paperwork in my opinion.  

[03:11:42] Unknown:

Yeah. I I think there's a lot of interesting things that we need to discuss. We need to talk about the relationship between   allodial title and,   fourteenth amendment citizenship.   We need to talk   about pledge of allegiance and how the different portions of it would certify and verify that we have a republic   because the flag stands for it, and they're asking us to pledge allegiance to it,   including congress pledging allegiance to it even though,   for all intents and purposes, they have nothing to do with it.  

[03:12:14] Unknown:

You know? Because everything they do seems to be in contradiction to it. Do because they can act constitutionally. They they do like a sheriff. They can serve two roles. Is is that true? They can, but they choose not to.   Right. I agree. Every once in a while, they do, like, accidentally a little bit. But,  

[03:12:32] Unknown:

right. I agree. Yeah. But if they're violating if the if they're violating their oath, then, would they not be committing treason against the very republic they swore allegiance to?  

[03:12:47] Unknown:

Absolutely.   Absolutely. This looks like, Anabon writes,   part of her, fee sheet.  

[03:12:54] Unknown:

No.   Absolutely not.   Written written solely and completely by me.  

[03:13:01] Unknown:

Gotcha.  

[03:13:03] Unknown:

This is what I'll just give you a couple lead in sentences here just to hopefully get you guys to take a look at Bruce's work, but this is from his piece. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Just a second. Just a second. We're still talking about the notice.  

[03:13:15] Unknown:

So what do you think is the social security number down there? I mean, just the last four. Did you leave those x's in place?   Okay. Yeah. Just so they could have the last four.  

[03:13:25] Unknown:

Does this No. The last four is all that's necessary.   You know, there's DOB, POB, and,   last four of the social. That's anything any government agency would need to be able to identify who I am.  

[03:13:40] Unknown:

Shouldn't you put that in brackets?   Just out of curiosity.  

[03:13:44] Unknown:

No.   No. I don't either way, though. Right? Yeah. I don't I don't see that. Do you see page three?  

[03:13:52] Unknown:

Yep.  

[03:13:54] Unknown:

It's the cost of doing business if they wanna fuck with you. That's right.   Yep. Yep.  

[03:14:01] Unknown:

Oh, and we we're still streaming, so watch the f bombs.   Oh my god. I'm so sorry. That's alright. Yeah. Yeah. It's the cost of doing business if they wanna mess with me. Now read the last paragraph in the fee schedule.  

[03:14:17] Unknown:

This is self executing contract, the commission of any prohibited actions, all caps,   or knowingly   failing to act or or to prevent   the commission,   of such prohibited acts presents agreement to the terms and fees of this document in its entirety. All persons, principals, agents,   foundations, associations, members, entities,   corporations,   committing,   conspiring to commit, or   or failing to act to prevent. Yeah. They do have a duty to prevent,   the commission of one or more of the prohibited actions.   Do not accept   and agree to pay the associated fees for   commissions of such prohibitive actions. Fees are collectible   immediately upon demand through the payment. Yeah. So, basically, you're telling them   you're telling them that silence is acquiescence, and this is now binding.  



[03:15:19] Unknown:

Yeah. But the hook the hook is closer to the end, so keep reading.  

[03:15:23] Unknown:

Oh, my bad. I don't read well. That's why I purposely stopped.   So we have the garnishment, servitude, and seizures,   fees to instruments, payments, property shall be received in value in its sole discretion and determination   of the receiver, the fees damages value set as best appropriate values, and the sole determination   of the author presenter,   server of this document. The author slash presenter server of this document   reserves the right to waive or modify   fee amounts at any time without notice. This document is not negotiable   nor rebuttable.  

The only way to avoid   immediate execution of this document is to not violate, permit violation, or conspire to violate any part of it.  

[03:16:12] Unknown:

There's the hook.  

[03:16:14] Unknown:

Yep.   I agree.  

[03:16:16] Unknown:

If they don't want that to apply to them, they don't   violate   any of the,   prohibited actions.  

[03:16:27] Unknown:

You used a signature instead of your lower   case printed  

[03:16:31] Unknown:

signature. I I used bicolon.   Bicolon,   autograph,   and three periods.   Three dots.  

[03:16:44] Unknown:

I don't see the three dots.  

[03:16:46] Unknown:

Three dots are on there right at the end of the signature.   Buy, colon,   autograph, and then the three dots.  

[03:16:54] Unknown:

And the three dots stands for what?  

[03:16:58] Unknown:

That,   that terminates that signature.   Nothing   nothing after that   can apply. I gotcha. So they can't add anything. They can't append anything to the end of it.   And it also says author preserver or author   presenter server autograph   at right. It specifically states that it it's an autograph.  

[03:17:24] Unknown:

Alright. Oh, even though it's a sig this one's a signature. Okay.  

[03:17:29] Unknown:

Well, it looks like a signature, but it is specifically   stated   to be an autograph.  

[03:17:35] Unknown:

Right. I gotcha.   I've always wondered about that. Same thing with my state. I was born in Georgia, but I've lived in Massachusetts most my whole life.   So who whom do I say I owe my allegiance to? I'm still Georgian, I would guess.  

[03:17:49] Unknown:

Right.   Yeah. Well, I I set mine up as my birth state of Minnesota,   because,   it's been said that,   you cannot   naturalize   and have the same clout as a natural born national   because you would be a national of your   state of birth or your country of origin.  

[03:18:20] Unknown:

You know, I mean, that obviously makes sense.  

[03:18:23] Unknown:

Yeah. So just to   just to save the,   save the commune the confusion,   I used Minnesota   as my birth state.  

[03:18:35] Unknown:

I used Minnesota for my  

[03:18:37] Unknown:

This is posted outside my apartment door, and it's also posted on the left rear window of my automobile,   and it has yet to be rebutted. I've been pulled over three times in the last six months, and every single time the cops fly   flash their flashlight at the window, and every single time they gave my license back to me and said, have a nice day.  

[03:18:59] Unknown:

So you used to   why wouldn't they give you your license back anyways?   Your driver's license?  

[03:19:05] Unknown:

Yeah. Driver's license. No. No. I get in the driver's license.   So you still have one of those? Yeah. I have a commercial license. I can drive anything with wheels   as long as it has more wheels than two and less passengers than 11.  

[03:19:22] Unknown:

Did you  

[03:19:24] Unknown:

is that a regular driver's license?  

[03:19:26] Unknown:

No. It's a class a. Okay.   Okay. Semi semi truck license.  

[03:19:31] Unknown:

I gotcha. Yeah. I I gave up my license entirely. I don't drive a semis, so I don't have one.  

[03:19:36] Unknown:

I re I retained   my class a license,   in   the interest of being   commerce   ready,   but it is not to be   presumed that I am in commerce.   Agreed.  

[03:19:56] Unknown:

Agreed. Agreed. Yeah.  

[03:19:58] Unknown:

Yeah. QR code with something similar. All you need is a domain name and point that,   that subdomain at a Google Drive where you have a PDF document, and there it is.   Anybody that, Zapstack QR code sees your notification.  

[03:20:19] Unknown:

And Anything else you wanna put on there? It'd be a great place to market other aspects of this too.  

[03:20:24] Unknown:

Right.   Yep. We could we could do,   we could do QR codes for   the matrix stocks or or exposethematrix.com.   Right. We can point people there.   No.   Now I do need to redo my affidavit because I did use US National,   and I don't want,   to have used the term US National. However,   I did use the without,   under the penalty of perjury of the laws of The United States Of America.  

[03:21:04] Unknown:

Of America. Yeah.  

[03:21:05] Unknown:

And one sec.   And I did state   that my desire was to be a US national with unalienable   God given constitutionally   protected rights   and not a US citizen of The United States in a condition of voluntary servitude.   Now I do want to,   remove The US,   and I also want to,   hereby declare   my   status   to be a national   of The United States Of America   with an unalienable,   unalienable, gotten given, constitutionally protected rights and not a US citizen. That would be the only change that I would make to it.  

[03:21:56] Unknown:

Gotcha.  

[03:21:58] Unknown:

Paul, I gotta go soon. So if I could read this, and then I can get it.   Yep.   Thanks. This is   this is from Prost   under the title of real property.   There is absolutely no reason   why anyone should lose his real property to the commonistic   system slash democracy.   The pre the reason people do lose their property is because they are fourteenth amendment citizens.   The fourteenth amendment citizen,   you have only an equitable interest in property.   Technically speaking, you have legal and equitable interest,   but you cannot execute upon legal interest.   This is because as fourteenth amendment citizens,   you have no access to the law side of the court.  

With equitable   interest,   you cannot prove superior title   to access the land as a citizen of the soil,   which is the proper name for the non fourteenth amendment citizen.   You must remember   that it that it is your standing in the law that determines whether you have access to the law to save your land.   It is not determined by the title of the land as all land titles in The United States Of America   are elodio.   Thus land titles   deal with land.   Jurisdiction of the fourteenth amendment   deals only with persons   in relationship to his interest in the land.   A commercial system   cannot create credit against the substance   of the common   law   slash or or hyphen land.  

They can only create it through the persona   to the person   under the fourteenth amendment.   It goes on. But this is what Brofst is like.   And   anybody who doesn't read this   is really never gonna see   the diabolical   nature of that fourteenth  

[03:24:15] Unknown:

amendment. And where is that in the document?  

[03:24:19] Unknown:

That starts on page 46.  

[03:24:22] Unknown:

Of?  

[03:24:25] Unknown:

USA, the Republic, or the House That Nobody Lives in.  

[03:24:29] Unknown:

By Lee Robst.   Okay. Yeah. Thank you.  

[03:24:33] Unknown:

So citizen of the soil   is a is a cool term, I think.   Very interesting.   Really   jeopardized at it all yet, but,   I think that's   it sort of makes sense, doesn't it?  

[03:24:49] Unknown:

Yes. It does.   There's some perfect sense, actually.  

[03:24:55] Unknown:

It does. What state is the new guy in?   Who me? The new one guy. Yep.  

[03:25:04] Unknown:

I'm in Massachusetts.   Oh. Hi, Dan. Dan Edwards. I'm in Good morning. Longmeadow, Massachusetts near Springfield.  

[03:25:12] Unknown:

Oh, I used to live in North Chelmsburg.  

[03:25:16] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Up by Boston.  

[03:25:19] Unknown:

Well, it's kinda   that's in New Hampshire and stuff, but,   you know, down,   reef.   And,   I worked over in Lowell at Wang.  

[03:25:33] Unknown:

Oh, yep.  

[03:25:35] Unknown:

Yep. I was a member of the Wang gang.  

[03:25:38] Unknown:

But,   I remember them.  

[03:25:41] Unknown:

Yep. I do too.   Let's see. I was gonna well, I thought you were from Georgia, but I'm mistaken.   Well, no. I was born in Georgia. Because there's a thing going   on. Oh, okay. Well, there's a thing going on, and it gets to Alabama   this Sunday,   this coming Sunday, the twenty seventh.   And,   they were gonna talk extensive,   constitution   period history   and probably, you know, civil war and reconstruction.  

[03:26:16] Unknown:

You remember the wing gang? Of that USA, the Republic,   the house, no one That no one lives in.  

[03:26:23] Unknown:

That no one lives in. You can actually, I believe, find that link. In the chat.  

[03:26:29] Unknown:

Okay.   Thank you. Sam Guardian.   So helpful.  

[03:26:36] Unknown:

Brent, you were a member of the Wang Gang? What what was that all, guys?  

[03:26:41] Unknown:

No. No. That was, that Wang was was a company.  

[03:26:45] Unknown:

Yeah.   So They were going to get up with IBM and lost.  

[03:26:52] Unknown:

Right. Well, nobody got the joke, so I guess it wasn't funny. Yeah. I know.  

[03:26:58] Unknown:

No. I got the joke. I didn't.  

[03:27:00] Unknown:

I didn't wanna play with  

[03:27:02] Unknown:

it. I didn't wanna play.  

[03:27:05] Unknown:

Whenever they put a word in front of something, and it happens every single time, they're all deadly prefixes and deadly words. There's no such thing as real estate. There's just a state. They put the word real in front of   it. I always wondered why they call it real property, real estate. Why do they need to put the word real in front of it? And, you know, as I was looking through it, someone told me it was to differentiate intellectual property from and I was like, no. It's all real. It's all real property. That's my state. My   But that's just the defacto's way of renaming, like, firearm instead of arm.  

That's how they can regulate it.  

[03:27:39] Unknown:

How long have you been in Massachusetts?  

[03:27:42] Unknown:

Since I was about five years old. I'm almost 60.  

[03:27:46] Unknown:

Oh,   did you know of a judge Murphy?  

[03:27:54] Unknown:

No.  

[03:27:56] Unknown:

Let me Not that I'm aware. Died. He died probably ten years ago,   but when I met him back in the eighties, he was a lawyer.   He was a real estate lawyer   and he became a judge,   Jeremiah   Murphy.   And it was a friend of mine at Wang's father.   And,   I wish   I had gotten to talk to him. You know, I didn't know he was a judge until shortly before he died.   And,   I would have had   some real good questions for him.  

[03:28:32] Unknown:

Okay, guys. I have some answers.   If you're looking for,   Liebrobst,   the Republic,   the house that no one lives in, it is now in the recents folder up on docs.exposethematrix.com,   if you want a downloadable PDF of it.  

[03:28:53] Unknown:

Matrixdocs.com?  

[03:28:55] Unknown:

Docs   Expose   the matrix   Com.   Docs. That link is that link is on,   the matrix docs,   and it is down   by the,   it's down under other resources   right underneath the Radio Ranch archives in red.   Other resources,   the document resource is   docs.exposetomatrix.com.   There's a hot link right there right above the   picture of Brent Winter's,   excellence of the common law.  

[03:29:31] Unknown:

God, this is a big Google Drive.  

[03:29:34] Unknown:

Yeah. Two terabytes.  

[03:29:37] Unknown:

Yeah. It's got lots of stuff in it. You even have Gibson in here. Yep. Yep.   This is a good one.   Dude, we are such a brain trust, man.   It's and we're not the only group. I belong to another group called Power and Error in the People.   Cameron Wilson, if any of you guys have seen him, he's new to YouTube, but he's been he's been getting the cops to not bust him for quite some time now. And suddenly, a group gathered around him because we all had to go to court. And it's a group Mhmm. Specifically designed to find the people willing to go into court rather than just play their game   and and go ahead and get their dismissals   using AI to help us develop stuff. We're all familiar with the law. We check its results, by the way. No one ever trusts AI to simply say what the,   you know, what the pleadings were for sure. We still don't look, but at least it sends us in the right direction, and sometimes it's right. And everyone in this group, there's 300 of us now, and most of us are going into court. We're looking to change the system by going into these small traffic courts, and it's strictly traffic reform to help ring the bell.  

There's other stuff in there too. We're learning to actually go and start to sue people in federal court, get injunctions,   for irreparable harm by the lower courts when they start trodden upon our rights.   And and we have twice a week, we're on for a couple hours role playing, practicing,   running the Eddie Craig script for traffic stops.   Traffic reform, we feel, is like something that was be to everyone because everyone's, you know, rides around and only does something. And   so I got a case that's missed in court. I rep you know, presented my own self, and they didn't they didn't even try to fight it by the time I was standing there because of what I was handing in. They just they just dismissed it,   right before my very eyes, and they wouldn't even go on the record. No one was sworn in, including me. They didn't swear me in either.  

And,   I just let it happen and watch them fold up shop, so there's lots of groups doing certain things. I've been trying to get Roger to come on to,   his one of his one of our wives don't meet this Wednesday night or Saturday morning,   and just, you know, take an hour of his time to come tell us about the things that are Roger.   And we've already had other people on,   including Eddie Craig and that guy Chenoa and a couple others, and it'd be nice to have Roger on.   We're all gonna meet up one day, these groups. I don't know when that is. I don't know how best that'll happen,   but there's a lot of us. I don't know if anyone has an idea   how many nationals   are there knowing nationals, folks that said, no way,   I see it, and they're they're doing the thing, whether it's Rogers affidavit or not. They're doing they're they're they're getting,   They're putting it out.  

What number are we up to in America today? Does anyone have an idea? I'm guessing it's over 5,000,000.   I'm guessing it's maybe as high as 10,000,000 at this point because I'm seeing it everywhere on YouTube.   I'm seeing it all over the place. I'm watching auditors from from every walk of life and every county of the union practically   showing up to tell the cops their First Amendment doing a First Amendment audit on them, which I think is not payable.   It's   so something's burning away here, you know? I wonder if anyone has a clue as to how many nationals are there now.  

[03:33:11] Unknown:

Probably quite a few.   Let's see. I'm looking for something.   Oops.   T   I oops.   Yeah. Let's search for that.   Govern to surf. That's in the reasons folder. Okay.   There's two book links on the matrixdocs.com.   Those two book links are,   United Slaves of America by John Benson,   and From Sovereign to Surf by Roger Sales.   Both of those books in PDF form are available in the recents folder   on docs.exposethematrix.com.   They were originally the links on the website do go to,   the book batch, and the book batch canceled,   Roger's account,   because he tried to put United Slaves of America up there.  

And,   apparently, book patch has a problem with one author putting another author's work up on the website even if that author is dead and has permission of the coauthor,   to put it there. So,   go to docs.exposetomatrix.com   in the recents folder,   and United Slaves of America and From Sovereign to Serve are both there.   So just thought I'd   Let you guys know that.  

[03:35:20] Unknown:

Dude, this thing is enormous.   I love that, the wife's concise trusty handbook is in here. That guy is in every Google Drive that I see. Uh-huh. But he must have done good work. I tried to listen to him.   It's long. I listened to his other stuff, though, that's shorter. It's really good.  

[03:35:44] Unknown:

Dave, you're unmuted, and you're making a lot of noise.  

[03:35:51] Unknown:

Guys, I got a bolt. I got gardening to do.  

[03:35:56] Unknown:

Whoops. Damn it.   Damn.   Sorry about that.   Just go ahead and unmute yourself again.   I was trying to grab,   there you go.  

[03:36:11] Unknown:

Yeah. I gotta get rolling, guys. I thought I would get my I do. I love you guys, and thank you for being who we are. You know? I will catch y'all later.  

[03:36:20] Unknown:

No problem, Dan. Thanks, and welcome to the, welcome to the family.  

[03:36:25] Unknown:

You missed.  

[03:36:26] Unknown:

Yeah. I missed. Missed it by that much. It was very close.   It was definitely very close. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna leave Red Skelton's,   pledge of a meal pledge of allegiance queued.   Maybe we'll get to it tomorrow. Maybe.   And, we'll see what other kinds of fun we can deal with. This has been the Radio Ranch Monday edition with Roger Sales and John Kasarab. We did run a little long today, but,   that's what you can do when you own the network.   Alright. Check out our website, thematrixdocs.com   for,   downloadable resources,   exhibits,   interviews, lectures,   and, resources to books, telegram channels.  

You   you name it. It's there.   It's kinda like a needle in a haystack.   Thanks for joining us.   Find us right here Monday through Saturday, 11AM   to 1PM eastern time on Eurofic Radio and Global Voice Radio Network,   as well as free conference call so you can join us live on the show. All the links are there. Thanks for joining us. I'm out of here. Have a great day.   Happy Monday.   Blasting the voice of freedom worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.  

[03:37:50] Unknown:

Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.