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In this episode, we delve into the complexities of legal and financial systems, focusing on the implications of living in a dry county and the broader impact of the Fourteenth Amendment on state and federal citizenship. We discuss the challenges of navigating legal restrictions on alcohol production and the presumption of guilt that can arise from owning distillation equipment. The conversation also touches on the technical difficulties of audio equipment, highlighting the importance of clear communication in discussions about legal rights and due process.

We further explore the intricacies of mortgage and debt systems, examining how mortgages are securitized and the potential for legal challenges against foreclosure. The discussion includes insights into the role of Social Security and the Fourteenth Amendment in the national debt, as well as strategies for asserting one's rights in court. The episode concludes with a reflection on the broader implications of these systems on personal freedom and property rights, emphasizing the need for awareness and proactive measures to protect individual interests.

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That recording stopped   and restarted,   and the POD home recording   stopped.   Okay.   There you go, guys.   Thanks.  

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I'd like to make a comment, if I may.  

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Yeah. Who's this?  

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This is Pam on Michigan. So you're talking about going to get a beer? Yeah.   And so   have you ever heard of a dry county?  

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Yeah.  

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So   what would be the difference   with what they did to them   saying they couldn't have anything to drink?   And now you're kind of in that same situation as they were,   it seems, a yield.  

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Yeah. That's a good point.   But that would be for   county residents, I believe.   And because   there's no need for,   establishments that provide that,   for county residents, there would be no establishments   that could provide that   to,   visiting,   citizens.   But, really, aren't aren't all the jurisdictions all   melted into one because,   all of the states are political subdivisions. So the citizen of any one state   under the fourteenth amendment   or citizens of The United States under the fourteenth amendment,   they're all treated equally.   So, basically, you're a resident   of every state.  

Doesn't matter where you go.   You're still under the thumb and auspices   of the fourteenth amendment.   That sucks.   I wonder why people haven't complained about that yet.   Maybe they just didn't live. In a dry county.  

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I think if you live in a dry county and,   you know, just make it at home,   it's very it's not it's not hard to make beer, whiskey in your own house.  

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Right.   But if your if your house is on the tax rolls,   then,   by virtue of the fact that you are renting   the property from the the government,   then   you were   restricted   from engaging in certain activities   within that property.   Like, for example, the state of New York,   it's a it's a felony   in New York to even own   an alcohol still   or any distillation   device   greater than one gallon capacity.   It's a felony   to even   own one.   Because they're operating under the presumption that if you had it, you're gonna use it. And if you're gonna use it, you're gonna use it for nefarious purposes and you're gonna cost them money because you won't be   paying taxes.  



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Well, that's a violation of due process because they are already assuming guilt, and the legislation   is assuming guilt automatically. That's violation of due process of law.  

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Yeah. Like Joe's talking is very low. He's very hard to hear. Yeah. Joe, your volume is is really low. Are you, like   is your microphone down or what?   Because I have to pump I don't know. I have to pump you up 12 TB just so just so you come up to a normal level.  

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Really? I don't I don't know how I can fix that.  

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Well, it sounds like you're like you're at a distance away from your microphone.  

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It's right next to me. Like, I'm wearing headphones.   Just have it. Because if I don't put the headphones on, you're gonna I have to have the speakers on on the computer and it's everyone's gonna everyone's gonna it's it's gonna feedback.  

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Right.   Okay. Well, I think what you got is a noise canceling microphone, and you're not talking right at it, so it's canceling you.  

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Oh, let me let me see.   How's that? Did that change anything?  

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No. Not really. I think it's probably your your microphone level settings in the computer   or your mixer,   whatever you have between the mic and us.  

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Let me see   here. Audio settings.   Input settings. How's that? Is that better?  

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A little higher.  

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Better? Oh, yeah. Oh, much better. Fabulous. Oh, it's the preference isn't free conference call. There you go. That's  

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why. Okay. Oh, good grief.  

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Okay. Okay. Cool.   That's all it was. Alright. Cool. So what was I saying? Yeah. Well, the state legislation's under the presumption that you're guilty.  

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Did you know? Well, they they presume if you have it that you will use it for,   illegal purposes.  

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Right. So you're under the presumption of guilt, which is a bypass of the of due process of the Fifth Amendment.   Fifth, sixth, you know, like, what these like, you're you're guilty until proven innocent.   Like, they're all they're making you guilty of a crime that you didn't even commit because they assume that you having a distillery   or whatever.   You know   Yeah.  

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Or a still or whatever. Your microphone level went right back down. I think you've got something going that's turning your level down. Turn on automatic   gain control in free conference call. See if that helps.   Let's see. You might have another app that's, that's monitoring your microphone input,   and it keeps turning you down. That's  

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okay.  

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Okay. How's that? Is that better? Yeah. That's better. Alright. Cool.  

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Alright. Okay.  

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And if you have a new version of the app that's got crisp noise reduction,   try turning that on because I think we can hear your air conditioner.   How's that? Oh, god. Better? Oh, man.   Unbelievably   fabulous.   Fabulous.  

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Yes. I'm not obviously, you get to own that my studio because my studio wouldn't have those problems. Right. I have very high end everything,   but I'm home right now.   But that's the thing is that the legislation,   it's doing it. I'm watching it do it. Okay.   The legislation   is   assuming   that you're guilty.   Yeah. And that's just a violation of due process anyway.  

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Yeah.   Right. But,   it's   a but it's obvious to me   that they don't think citizens of the of The United States being,   being enemies of the state and in rebellion to their state,   they don't deserve to process   because you can't get it unless you go two levels up in the higher courts.  

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Right. Gross uses the term mutable by will.   So if you are declaring against   what they say is immutable   and you make a declaration against it,   that pretty much takes care of the matter as a, free person.   You're imposing your will instead of their will, but you have to challenge it. You have to make a declaration or a claim.  

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Right. But how do you challenge it at the point of sale?   And how do you how do you tell some pimple faced kid that's just trying to make a little money to supplement his,   his, college   tuition,   by working at a at a retailer,   how do you tell that person that if you continue to insist upon a ID   that you're violating the constitution of The United States and denying me due process?  

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Sounds like a very good conversation.  

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Because part of the the the opposing the brainwashing.   At least to plant a seed, you know, you may not accomplish anything.  

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Right. Well, because beginning. Because like Joe said, and I believe this to be completely true, is the presumption is that we're all idiots and incapable of managing our own affairs.   And that's why   we need a license   or a permit   to operate any heavy machinery,   I e, an automobile   or   to   engage in simple commerce at a retail store.  

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And Stamper says you're encompass mentis if you hire an attorney   according to the courts. Right. That's what they look at you as.  

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If I may?  

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Yeah. Is this Pam again?  

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Yeah.   So since you're talking about heavy equipment, I used to drive,   you know,   I used to operate   a heavy equipment,   forklift where I used to work.   And   I I didn't really have a license.   You know, I mean, it was a certificate that I was able to do the you know, perform the duties.   But,   I had   gotten the DOT number a while back,   and   yesterday was the last day that I could use it, they said, because, I had to renew it. And every time I go to renew it,   it says I'm not able to renew it.   So now I'm gonna try and travel today,   and   I don't know how this is gonna turn out because every time I've tried to,   you know, update the DOT number,   they say I don't qualify.  



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Yeah. I think what they're doing is they're,   they're denying renewal.   They're   denying   renewal of private DOT numbers.  

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But who specifically said that you were denied?  

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The secretary of state.  

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Of what state?  

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Well,   I'm on Michigan,   so I   went to that   site to do the paperwork   because No. It's not I got the notice.  

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It's you do it federally with the federal DOT. No. Don't do it with the state because the state's trying to the state's violating your right to travel by making by charging you a fee   to exercise rights. You know, like, to use the highways and stuff because they're they're trying to force you into a commercial, you know, situation.  

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Right.   So you don't Okay. Do you have that website?  

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Did you go to the it's,   it's,   hold on. I'll I'll I'll I'll put it in the chat. Are you on the are you on a computer?  

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I'm not.  

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Alright. Hold on.  

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Well, just just Google USDOT.  

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It's the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.  

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Fmcsa.org  

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or .gov? It's no. It's f it's it's f m c s a dot d o t dot gov.   You go there and read it there.  

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Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.  

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Can't do this. The state is   violating is violating your rights actively.   The prosecutors are protecting.   Does the cops are trained to violate your rights. The judges are told to enforce the violation of your rights. The prosecutors are told to prosecute anyone who stands up for their right to travel because it's it's it's almost a billion dollar a year business for the state.   They make they make half a billion dollars a year   in revenue off of traffic tickets alone.   We're not even mentioning   the registration costs,   licensing,   the insurance fees, and the gas tax, which is about 50%. Does that include the bonds operating in the background, Joe?  



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No. That's not including the bonds operating in the background.  

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Because every time you sign on Oh, yeah. Then it right. And then that's not we're not even talking about the bonds operating in the background. You're right.   That's that's   in in your face,   front facing,   that's what they're making right on the front  

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end. Yeah. And $20,   a $20 bill, how how hypopitated   is that?   Well, it's $1.20. Right? $120.   I mean, at least. Right? Then that's hypopithecated over and over again. So   Gotcha. On these bet derivative bets and everything.  

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Well, that $20 bill is a bond.   Has all the elements of a bond.   No. That thing's a bond. It's a bond. It's they are bound.   The United States has bounded themselves through the Federal Reserve to pay back that $20.   That's why it's a note. It's a it's a promise to pay. It's not payment.   It's a type of bond,   and that bond is has has real collateral behind it.   Okay?   The collateral is the land and the people.   You know, Rogers talked about this. He says, you know, they're collateralizing us   to pay back the bondholders.   Right?  

So they use us as collateral to get the federal reserve. You know, it's printed.   Hey, Joe.   Yeah.  

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Hey. This is Larry. So what's your opinion, having studied all of these financial subjects for as long as you have, what's your opinion of   what the $36,000,000,000,000   debt is, and what does it really represent?   Is it is it,   like, is it a debt that's   not been properly discharged,   like, in terms of   individual's private debt,   or is it something else?  

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It's it's The United States utilize   collateralizing   us to print money for currency.   Right? They're creating currency as us.   So it's us who are actually supposed to be paid back   on this debt. Right? It's us that is the is the money that's owed to since we can't actually pay any debts according to the constitution.   Right?   The constitution   clearly states that you,   can only pay a debt with gold or silver.   So because of that, my thing is going up and down like crazy, Paul. I don't know how to stop this. You've got something something else running on the computer that's accessing your microphone and playing with the level.  

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You've got another Hey.  

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Who is that, Gary? Maybe that did it.  

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So, Joe, you you think that the 36,000,000,000,000   is all of our debt that they owe us, and they never properly discharged it on their end?  

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Yeah. That's how I feel about it. It's all the interest on the money that we've used from the beginning of time.  

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Well, think about it like this. Like, look. Look at your car. Like, okay. Let's make it simple. Let's take let's take your house.   Okay?   The promissory note was the thing that paid for the house.   Right?   But   you put the house up as collateral   for that promissory note to be used.   Right?   So the the house was is what funds   that instrument.   Right? So now you have this you have this instrument.   That's backed by something tangible,   something real,   something of actual value.   Right? So that's what we have going on here.   We and I've done I've I've talked to a couple guys,   who work on Wall Street, and they talk about this. You know, if you have good collateral, you could you can make   you can make you can create currency from it   because then you can use it to get loans. Like, some guys use paintings. Some guys use homes. Some guys use real estate. Some guys use,   you know, high ticketed, you know, other types of securities.  

Right?   Backed up to create more currency.   And it's like this whole twisted game.   But The United States,   in order for them to to get this private bank to loan,   money,   right, or the Federal Reserve notes, what they do is they they collateralize the people   and the land.   So that's why MERS, if you go look at your mortgage and look at your deed of trust   on your mortgage, you're gonna find that MERS is the beneficiary of that deed of trust   and that you are   a grantor   and the county   is the trustee of that deed of trust, meaning that you're a tenant on that property and that MERS, which is actually,   a federal government agency,   owns the property as the beneficiary,   and they have to in order to keep printing money.  

This is why this is why they're so tough on the on the houses,   and this is why they they have, like, laws about law against,   perpetuity   because they have you have to keep the land on the market for them to be able to keep using it for collateral to print more money.   Alright?   I found the document that did that. I shared it on here, like, in an after show one day. I think we looked at it for, like, an hour. But then it was after that, I realized that that's what they were using to fund,   you know, the federal reserve notes.   So they're funding the   here.  



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I was gonna ask, so if the if the secured   loan's   collateral is the actual house,   what would an unsecured loan's collateral be?  

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Your credit.  

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It would just be your your credit, your future energy, your promise to pay based on   you have a job. Exactly.   So there So do you believe the $36,000,000,000,000   debt is made up of secured and unsecured   debt?  

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No. It's all secured. It's it's mostly secured.   There's probably some unsecured debt, but that's why they have the birth certificates.   The birth certificates   are prom or collateralizing   baby for future use.  

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Okay. So based on what you and Larry just said, a secured loan is based on   some, I'll call it materials or house, car, things.   Mhmm. An unsecured   debt is   the the security for it is the person.  

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Right.  

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Hey. Can I interject here?  

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Yeah. Gary, go ahead. Have the top  

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I actually have the documents from the state of New York   where the Federal Reserve has put a name   on all the pen with arm and teeth that's out of state   right on the document   and all the land in The United States.  

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Okay. That's what's here. You're not real clear. Gary, one Gary, one second. Hang on. Hang on, Lisa.   Gary, one second. Prepare to repeat that again. Joe, please mute because your background noise is canceling, Gary.   Oh.   Okay. Gary, go for it again.  

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I actually have the documents   filed in the state of New York   where the Federal Reserve has put liens on all the men   with hands and feet, and that means kids and women too,   and all lands in The United States.   So that's how they're securing the supposed debt.   And if you notice   under Clinton, under Obama,   they both of them put under   hundreds of thousands of acres of land   as national forest or parks or whatever.   So those were put on a lien   to lien the property to keep our debt going.  

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So that's the document I'm talking about.  

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That's all I got.  

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That that is the document that I was referring to.  

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So they're selling off the country right from underneath us.  

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Yeah. That in fact, the document he's talking about is the one that I was referring  

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to. Guys, they've played this game over and over in many nations, not just this one.   They're gonna come in and foreclose   on this nation and see if we can. It may be this year, maybe next year, maybe the year after. We don't know. But sooner or later, they're gonna foreclose on that debt.  

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And they're gonna come in and say, hey. Oh. We don't what what if it is the treasury   like the Bible says?  

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You can't foreclose on a property. Once it's closed, you can't foreclose.  

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Hey, George. Tell, tell Joe about your idea of   use a front.  

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Go watch the movie that I called   the great taking, and then tell me they can't close on closed property.  

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Joe Joe knows   about. He's,   he knows more about the   the,   study of that than I would. I'm just kinda   starting with it now. But, but I think the idea is that   that,   the treasury,   you know, which would be the IRS and I don't know if and everything else is kinda representative of   God's, store health on Earth.   And we can we can look at things   instead of owning them. I I know I'm gonna call, quote Klaus Schwab here, but,   we can look at it as like a library.   We, we take something out. We   we use a fructive, and then we   go and use something else. So we're not really owning anything. It's just just a lending kind of thing. I mean, that's that's kinda what your meat suit is anyway. Right? You come in here. You're not responsible for it. God made you. God's gonna check you out. He checked you in. He's gonna check you out. And then, you know, that's kind of the mimicking of the book of Job. We can do the same thing. That   comes not from my my, philosophy, but some of Boris' work and those guys. And you kinda turn it into a ministry then here in your ambassador of Christ here, and you're   utilizing the material world as as above so below, you know, on earth as it is in heaven.  

That's just kind of a very, very,   light explanation. I mean, I've spent hours studying this stuff, and it's still not all clear to me, but it has to do with trust. That's all everything to do with trust. So you  

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Well, yeah, like use of fact is, like, you get to use property even though it's not yours.   So, like, if I was the grantor and let's say I made George the trustee and I gave him,   my entire   my entire guitar collection to hold for my kids.   George, I like you. I trust you. I'm letting you hold on to my,   my guitar collection   for my children.   Alright? You can play them. Play the guitars, keep them clean, you know, whatever.   That's usufruct.   Until until it's time to turn them over to the children,   he gets to use the guitar is all he wants.  

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Comment. Comment.   Comment.  

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Jerry Garcia. I I'd like to comment.  

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Yeah. Jerry Garcia in Carlsbad, New Mexico.  

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Okay. What you calling?  

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Yeah.   A couple of months ago, my my brother got a   a   a ticket   traveling down the road.   No. No.   For a dim a dim light. Right? So   he sent them all that, like,   you know, you don't have no this and that, and then he went to court.   But when he went to court,   the judge threatened him with warrant for his arrest for not being able to get on that,   on the TV.   Right? So   he,   and he sent him on his way. You know? You need to learn how to get on that,   Zoom Zoom.   So he went home, and then, like,   a week later, this   this this happened   last   Thursday. They sent him a letter   telling him that all his   his stuff was dismissed and that the police officers were   were there at the at the   meeting when he went   for the court.  

But they sent him that letter saying everything everything you've done is dismissed with with prejudice.   And I said,   I wonder how that works.   So I don't understand what,   that with prejudice or without prejudice is.  

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If I may?  

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I was gonna say Did he use  

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any did he use any bible verses?   Because thou shall not have any graven image.  

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I used No. Right. No. Look.  

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So with prejudice means that they cannot bring up the charges again.   Again. Okay? Without prejudice means they reserve the right to bring these charges up again in the future.   So if it was dismissed dismissed with prejudice, that means they can't bring the charges up ever again.  

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Really be interested in system can't bring up?  

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I'd be interested in knowing what he sent them.  

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So the court system cannot   bring the charges up against him again.   Dismissed   with prejudice   means   they cannot bring their charges up again.   Dismissed   without   prejudice   means they are reserving   the right   to bring their charges up again.   That's the difference.  

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Okay. So my brother was asking me   if there was something that he could do   to   kinda   I don't know, accuse him of   of violating something.  

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No. He doesn't need to waste his time. No. No. He already won.  

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He already he it's already a win.   Yeah.  

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Okay. Joe He's gonna appoint the  

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He   what's that?  

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I think you're gonna appoint the judge   as the trustee,   but   but it sounds like you are you think he already won?  

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Joe, did you turn noise canceling off again?  

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It's it my whole thing's haywire. I don't have any other program other than Brave,   so I don't know what's making it do that.  

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So Well, there's about five open mics.   Larry's open. Jerry Garcia's still open.  

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Of course, I'm right low.  

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Well, no. It's it's the background noise that's coming from Joe.   Are you what what kind of microphone are you using, Joe?  

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I'm using,   JB headphones   plugged into the computer.  

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Really?   Weird. Yep.  

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Really weird. What is this? What is this? This is JBL JBL headphones  

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plugged into the He's coming in clear now, Paul.  

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Well, I just I just don't get it. His his volume keeps going up and down.   I don't know. Are you sure that you're look it up. Are you sure that you're looking look at your device, your microphone device in free conference call, and make sure that it's actually using the JBL microphone   or the headphones   and not the,   embedded microphone in the PC because it doesn't because it sounds like you're about two feet away from the microphone, and a headset, that wouldn't be.   It might not be using the right device.   How's that? Is that better? No. Still sound exactly the same.  



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Touch He's coming in clear to me.  

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Now I'm using the MacBook Air microphone.  

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Yep. That's it's a it's absolutely the same as it was before. So that's the microphone that you've been using all along.   And we're not hearing you now if you're talking.  

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Yeah. So I was alright. So I've been alright. So I've been on the headphones,   but I haven't been able to   okay. Hold on. I'm gonna try something else here. Let's see if I get this to work.  

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When you're done, I'd like a word with this one minute. I just said the bible. Please, please. I can wait.  

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Yeah. Well, while Joe is sorting, sorting out his audio   problems,   Pam, was that you that, that asked if you had   submitted a bible bible verse or anything like that with, whatever paperwork he responded with?  

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Did you say Pam? Yeah. I I think that's what,   I I think that's what what I mean, if we're beneficiaries,   God created everything.   And here along comes man, you know, creating all these fleshly   rules and regulations and mandates and all this other stuff. We're not supposed to go by that. We're supposed to go by   God as a creator, and he determines everything.   So I would refer to a bible verse. And then someone said that you can't mix that up with, you know, statutes and regulations, which we shouldn't. We should just stick to the bible. We should just stick to, you know, being kind to one another.   And   so back to if I may where they were talking about the   the dry counties.  

So it was a Indian reservation.   They were not able to,   you know, drink.   They told them they have to have a   area around their reservations   that they cannot drink. Now that's a violation of, you know, their rights, and I think they were here before the kings came over with all of their people and slaves and all that other stuff from what I've, you know, gathered   through this educational call and others.   And so,   you know, we have,   as people,   have come here   from other countries and, you know, who's to say how many years, you know, like, three hundred years, I think, some families have been here. When's when's the cutoff date? I mean, how long do you have to be here to be actually referred to as,   you know, able to   live without in fear of losing your property. I mean, that's just crazy. That's just   I hear you.  



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Oh, it's Bruce. A landlord.  

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Okay. There's there's somebody that's got a mic open that's echoing me into here. I think it's Bruce. Bruce Bruce is. Bruce wants to chime something in and so does Sheldon. Bruce is first, though.  

[00:33:18] Unknown:

On my paper   on my paperwork, I   to the, person that gave me the tickets,   I stated   my god given rights to do this deed   or whatever, but it's god given rights.   That's what you're talking about.   You can put it in every line you make.   You're going after somebody.  

[00:33:44] Unknown:

Okay. I believe my affidavit does date   god given rights   that I claim them. Well, there was  

[00:33:53] Unknown:

sorry.   There was a lady who I heard her testimony   through Maine.   Oh, yeah. You know what? Yeah. Send that back. Sorry. They didn't change it yet. Sorry. No worries. No worries. I'm just just Sorry about that. Yeah. No worries.  

[00:34:12] Unknown:

I I am so happy. No worries.  

[00:34:15] Unknown:

My wife will be happy. She can cash it. But it   she did, but she her testament was she just kept repeating the Lord's prayer. And, actually, the the new the newspaper covered it. And she brought, like, a cloud of witnesses, 20 people into the court, and they started praying.   And the newspaper covered it. I think all the stuff got dismissed.   I don't know if it was criminal or civil.   So,   I think there is room for the lawyer's prayer, but I think you have to do it three times or something.  

[00:34:43] Unknown:

I yield. Yeah. Well, there is something to be said for the power of three if you say anything   three times,   and don't let the judge stop you.   If you say anything three times   on the third time,   what you what you said stands.   Who was it that was in a court of law? And he said this court is,   this this court is a fraud on the people and treason against the constitution of The United States.   This court is a fraud on the people and treason against   the constitution of The United States.   And the third time he said it,   the case went away.  

Judge beat the gavel, said case dismissed, and everybody went along their   went along their way.   The if you say something, if you make a declaration,   if the judge tells you, don't say another word or I'm gonna hold you in contempt,   stick to your damn guns and get it out three times. Do it quickly.   Do it,   do it,   affirmatively,   not forcefully, but affirmatively.   And don't let the judge stop you because I believe that's what he's attempting to inhibit you from doing.   He's calling on a power of three that they know about and we don't.   But  

[00:36:14] Unknown:

So tell the judge we're gonna hold him under contempt because he's being contemptuous.  

[00:36:19] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:36:21] Unknown:

Call us Bruce again. Yeah, Bruce.   For and on the record. That's what you gotta say. For and on the record   before you say what you do you said.  

[00:36:36] Unknown:

For and on the record.   K.   Yeah. I forget where I heard that from, but it was, it was a pivotal moment in the case, and it caused the case to go away immediately.   Because it is a fraud against the people, because they're using color of law   to defraud the people   of their   energy,   their money,   their federal reserve notes.   And what they're doing the first  

[00:37:13] Unknown:

thing.  

[00:37:15] Unknown:

And what they're doing is abhorrent to the constitution   and a violation of constitutional   protections. Go ahead, Samuel.  

[00:37:24] Unknown:

That's the first thing that,   when the judge acknowledged Randy Lee is,   Randy said, for the record before he spoke.   I'd like to read you just the beginning of my   document that I'm trying to get through the county here.   I I named it covenant and conditions   for allodium   dash land patent in common law.   I'll read just the beginning of it, and some of this is quotes, so it's got,   footnotes they can go to.   And   then the entrances   to   to all whom these presents shall come greetings.   Be it known that and this is, from Bible. This is,   Psalms twenty four one.  

The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof.   As a Christian   and one of the people in covenant with Jesus Christ,   I have made a joint heir   through and with Jesus Christ entitled to inherit the land   in elodium,   free and unencumbered,   and to possess   it as a private man under the dominion of Jesus Christ   and the common law,   and I claim my rightful inheritance   to the land in Allodium.   And it goes on, but that's the beginning.   So   you don't need to really mention any,   statutes.   So   the whole our whole legal system was originally built on bible principles.   And because of they put in, you know, the separation of church and state kind of feelings,   they had to be sort   of clandestine about it. But in the beginning, it was pretty well understood   that this was a Protestant country, and   they believed in the Bible,   and   that's what they wanted to be executed.  

The old cry in the,   in in the the war for independence was, you you know, no king but Jesus.   I yield. Mhmm.  

[00:39:36] Unknown:

Alright. Thank you, Samuel.   Alright. Interesting.   Where can we go from here? I I do believe that seeing as I've still got a recording going, I can be   I can upload this as an after show   program today.  

[00:39:53] Unknown:

Hey, Paul. Can you hear me now? Yeah. I can hear you now.  

[00:39:57] Unknown:

That sound good? Yeah. You just yeah. You sound better.   You don't sound like you're two feet away anymore.   Okay. You could now? You could use just a touch more volume.   Just a touch more. How's that? Little more.  

[00:40:16] Unknown:

That?  

[00:40:19] Unknown:

Yeah. I think you got some background noise that's starting to come in with you.  

[00:40:24] Unknown:

It's hard to tell with one word.  

[00:40:26] Unknown:

With one word?   What if I used a bunch of words?  

[00:40:31] Unknown:

Would that help? Yeah. Well, it sounds better. It's still not, like,   as loud as Samuel is.   Certainly not as loud as Larry is.   But you're bigger than you were. Peak.  

[00:40:43] Unknown:

Okay. Good. Well, right now, I'm at my peak volume. I have an air conditioning running in the background. So if you're worried about the background noise, that's what it is. And   sorry. I'm not gonna turn it off.  

[00:40:55] Unknown:

Okay. Do you have noise? Do you have, like, noise canceling  

[00:40:59] Unknown:

that you can turn on? Yeah. It's it's on. The noise reduction powered by Krisp is on.   Let's see. I have this thing here on my headphones.  

[00:41:09] Unknown:

I don't know. Did that work? Okay. Can you, can you turn automatic gain control on?  

[00:41:19] Unknown:

I don't think I have that in here.   Audio,   noise reduction,   output   volume.   See, advanced   automatic proxy   configuration   won't let me do direct connect.   Okay.  

[00:41:44] Unknown:

Hey, Joe. You sound great.  

[00:41:46] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:41:47] Unknown:

Good enough. We don't have to have perfect unless you wanna be perfect.  

[00:41:52] Unknown:

Well, I   in my studio, I can make it way better. I just I'm not I'm at home where I don't have all that stuff set up, all that fancy equipment.   Alright.   Alright. Good. We got that out of the way. We can go back to the real conversation.  

[00:42:07] Unknown:

Well, you were you were at the core of the real conversation because this is all things we need to be talking about, how we can actually hold their feet to the fire   and,   stop them   from   using presumptions   and statutory   law   against us.   Because,   well, one of our people,   one of our people,   had a judge that   completely   refused to recognize,   their affidavit,   and   is trying to,   just flex their muscle   and basically   attempt to harm and injure that person in every manner they possibly   could,   possibly can.   And,   you know, things,   did not and are not going well for that person.   So   we need a way   like,   oh, the state,   the state of Alabama,   Mike Nail.  

The, state taxing authority is refusing to   accept the fact that he's a nonresident   alien.   And,   there's also,   other,   the IRS directing,   tax collection agents to not only withhold taxes, but withhold at the maximum   allowable   amount,   even though that person has already done the   w eight b e n and the,   ten forty n r and everything else.   Now they're circling back and they're saying, no.   You're gonna have to take   take,   withholdings   from their check and send them to us anyway.   So it seems that that they're ramping up their administrative   thuggery,   and   we need to get   more,   well, let's just say vicious   in our response to it and shut them down.  



[00:44:27] Unknown:

Well, I mean, what I've done with the IRS in that regard, because I've had a a number of people come to me asking about what to do about that.   And what I do is I just write the IRS a letter.   I said, just please answer these questions.   And,   you know, what you do the way I've been doing it is I I have a notary send it so that way the notary signs an affidavit saying he's a witness to the letter. He put the letter in. He mailed it. The IRS has to respond back to the notary. The notary gives you the response,   and the notary records everything. And he's a third party intermediary.  

Right?   So he's he's   a disinterested third party. He has quasi judicial powers because he he's under the secretary of state just like the judges are,   so he has quasi judicial powers. So what we do is we I use the notary. We send out this letter, and we basically make a list of questions. Like, can you prove that, you know, the the person in question here,   not not me, but, you know, the entity you're talking about, right?   You know, how does it owe this debt? You know, do you have a list of questions about that?   You know, according to the Buck Act, you can only tax within a federal zone. Can you prove that, you know, I was within a federal zone? Alright. Are you confusing me with the citizen in The United States? I'm not a fourteenth amendment citizen. Do you have any evidence that proves that I'm a fourteenth amendment citizen under federal jurisdiction?  

What evidence do you have of that? You know, you're using this tax ID number to tax me,   but according to,   title 20 of Dakota Federal Regulations, that number actually is property of the Social Security Administration.   The the back of the card confirms it. It says that this is property of the Social Security Administration.   So if you're taxing that number, I think you should be going to the Social Security Administration for those taxes if any taxes are duly owed to you.   Right? The other thing is, what are you taxing? Are you taxing my,   are you taxing my my time and labor?  

Because   that's the only way I'm able to earn a living is through time   trading my time and labor,   right, for energy   that I can utilize.   Right? So are you taxing my time and labor?   And then by law, they can't tax time and labor.   Okay? Because then that's slavery. That means you're working for somebody with nothing in return. That is that's called involuntary servitude.   And then if they say, well, we'll just file for you,   right, which they have the right to do that according to the IRS code, they can do a file a filing. And you could say, well, since you guys can file on behalf of the person,   obviously,   that I that's not my account, and that has nothing to do with me because if that was all my stuff,   you wouldn't have jurisdiction to go and touch, grab, or or control my per private property.  

So that's another piece of evidence that you guys are actually taxing something else,   and you're trying to get me to be the one to pay on that debt. But I'm not the one that actually owes the debt.   We we put in everything into question form and send it to them, and then from there,   the IRS has to answer. We give them we give them ten days to answer. If they don't answer in ten days, then we default them. We default them a second time. We default them a third time, and then we do what's called the judgment and they'll decide, which means that it's a judgment of their   guilt.  

And then we create a new contract saying, here are the new stipulations.   You can't do this. You can't do that. You can't do these things. You must make sure that my employer,   lets me keep using this this form, stops withholding taxes,   and yada yada yada. Right? Whatever your demands, whatever you want your demands to be. And that judgment will remain intact unless the IRS decides that they wanna bring charges against you, you immediately sue them   in federal court.   Okay? You go and bring the charges again not in their courts. Because in their courts, they'll just they'll destroy you. So you have to bring it to, like, a federal district court and just   put in all your paperwork that you did with the notary,   and then just file for summary judgment against the IRS that you gave them due process of law, and then they violated the agreement.  

And under the rules of evidence three zero one, that's proof right there that you're the only one that has any truth in the matter whatsoever and that because your affidavits   stand as truth in law now because they went unrebutted,   but the IRS actually doesn't have a claim against you personally.  

[00:49:01] Unknown:

K.  

[00:49:03] Unknown:

What about,   what about, like, a traffic infraction?   Same thing. Same same deal?   Mhmm. So if if,   if a court if an administrative   court, which   all these things are and I think they actually took it to appeal, but I don't know,   what they did in the appeal. I don't know if they did it properly or whatever,   but,   they lost the appeal,   and they were sentenced to,   a   monetary fine and so many days in jail.   But it all   stems from   the fact that the lower court   violated   them by refusing to accept their political status   as presented to the court   and as entered into the court prior to   their appearance.  

They already had the affidavit. They already had all the information that they needed to know to cancel that appearance,  

[00:50:07] Unknown:

and they failed to do this. Thing that they're missing is they put the affidavit in.   Right? Did they do a judicial notice and certificate of service?  

[00:50:17] Unknown:

Probably not.  

[00:50:19] Unknown:

Right. Well, then the affidavit doesn't exist.   So you have to put it onto the record. You just say you're telling them, I wanna put this affidavit   onto the record,   take judicial notice that this affidavit   of my status is on the record.   Okay? And you've gotta give it to all parties. Otherwise, it's considered   ex parte communication,   which is technical which is not allowed.   We know, you know, we know the judge or prosecutor chitchatting behind the behind closed doors.   But, you know, ex parte communications are not allowed. They'll consider that ex parte communication   and ignore it. So you give it to all parties.  

Okay?   The   only type of rebuttal I've ever seen on this   is the prosecutor going, his claims are without merit.   And then when you try to push the issue, go, well, the prosecutor said that all claims are made without merit, but didn't cite anything that that clarifies his stance.   So since I I have the Supreme Court backing   with these Supreme Court cases, you know, Susan B. Hastings, lower house cases, Juan Kim Mark. Right? We got the, there's a couple other ones. Samuel shared a really good one today.   Minor versus hat percent,   that's a good one.  

And then we just utilize those   case to say, so where is he getting this idea from?   You know, here's here's the, here's the US code. Here's the here's the,   Immigration Nationality Act where all this information comes from. What legal backing does he have to say in you this?   Right?   So his claim of me being without merit is actually without merit.   You know? He has to actually rebut it point by point   in full   with with legal authority to back it up. Otherwise,   his claims are without merit.   Right? So it's like and then you call him out for that on top of that saying, well, the fact that he's saying my claims are without merit is a distraction from the fact that I actually put verified   court cases and legal authorities to back up my claim.  

Right?   Okay. But you have to put it on the record, judicial notice, certificate of service.   And then you go back afterwards and you use, rule of evidence,   three zero one.   Okay. And then you get them on the record to say, like, hey. Look. Since no one was able to rebut anything,   all my everything that I put into this court case is true, and the court does agree that they don't have jurisdiction.   The prosecutor agrees they don't have jurisdiction   since they can't enforce,   their statutory regulations upon nationals, but only citizens and residents of which I am not one.  

[00:53:04] Unknown:

Okay. I have another question.   You had mentioned mortgages and the,   MERS,   mortgage   electronic registry service.   What if   what if a mortgage   was obtained from a small independent   bank   in a small   village or township,   and that mortgage was held   by that bank,   as a   security,   was held as   an a liquid asset   or a bank asset,   and not batched, not sold to another   loan servicer or another,   mortgage company or whatever.   That bank held that. Could you use   the,   the MERS registration   to nullify that mortgage?  

[00:54:04] Unknown:

No. Because the mortgage the mortgage is,   the contract that gives MERS   the   the status of beneficiary   over the house.  

[00:54:17] Unknown:

K. And so they never transferred that mortgage   to anyone else. The bank still has the end all, be all authority over it.  

[00:54:26] Unknown:

Right. Well, the right thing to do, if you wanna   if you wanna beat a mortgage,   right,   the best thing to do is use the the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act.   Okay.   The first thing is   you have to really read the mortgage   very carefully.   Okay?   Then what you need to do is   you need to go and look at, like, what what's going on? Like, what the note versus the deed of trust.   Right? Is the promissory note with the and the, and the deed of trust or the mortgage   properly endorsed? Because if it's not, then it's invalid.   Okay? Was there a loan? Was the loan sold in to someone else? What is there a servicer? Is it the original bank?  

If it's the original bank, then then we we can surmise that that it probably was not sold into another trust.   Okay? But if it was,   then we have to find out if it was done in accordance with the pooling and servicing agreements, which   which would be the securitization   side of things.   It usually is. They won't tell you even if it's, like, the same bank because they'll sell it, and then they'll just continue being the servicer.   Right? Because it's a mortgage backed security   for for the,   for the public debt.   Right?  

Were there assignments?   And if there were, were they recorded properly?   Okay. Are there missing signatures on those assignments?   Right?   And then do you definitely wanna look at some case law to back that stuff up to look at what you're talking about?   You know,   but then this this is where you have to get into using   these,   everything with banks and the mortgages, it has to be done in federal court.   You can't do it in state court because the state court judges,   they're beholden to the banks and to the secretary of state to protect all commerce   and to continue the flow of commerce. So if the banks wanna steal your house, the judges will make sure that your house gets taken by the bank because   that they're in this this rule of perpetuity.  

Right?   This rule of perpetuity says that one like, land can't be off the market forever.   It has to it has to have an entrance back to the market some at some point in time   because they need that they need it   in order to   collateralize   it for future for future debt, future borrowing.   That's that's the reason.   So they have rules against,   against perpetuity   for the for that really, for that reason. It's just because they wanna keep everything in debt.   Right? But then what you do is you gotta   prove you gotta get them to the you gotta get them to prove their claim   that they that you owe them a debt   and and, verify that. You do a, what's called the qualified rent request.  

Right?   And what you do is you you have to this is where you really gotta dig in, and you gotta learn a lot about this banking stuff. You have to find out how they securitized the note, where did they put it, what insurance policies did they put with it, who's holding the note, Where's the actual note, not a copy of it? How many copies did they make? Who did they sell it to? What parts of it were sold to which companies?   How much did they make off of those each sale of those notes? How much are they getting back? They have about 10 different ways to make money off of the securitization   of a of a loan.  

You know? So,   and   of all those different types of ways that they're securitizing,   right,   how come you're not getting paid off of that as the issuer of the note?   Right? And you're the actual issuer of the note because you're the one that signed it and gave it to them. You issued the note to them, making you an issuer, making you an investor with the bank. Because you're an investor with the bank, you should be getting a return on your investment, and you're not.   Instead, they're treating you as if you're the one that owes the debt to the bank   even though you gave them legal consideration by giving them a promissory note. You gave them something that they can use to trade with   as as a valuable,   as valuable, you know, asset.  

And so now they're beholden to all these other rules of securitization.   Did they follow all the rules of the pulling servicing agreements?   Did they allocate funds to escrow properly?   Is everything insured properly?   Right?   You know, where is your return on investment?   Stuff like that. So the the qualified room request needs to be very big, very in-depth, and you have to talk about a lot of tax forms and stuff like that. Say, well, look. You know, we're supposed to file a ten ninety eight every year. I've never seen one. How come?   Where's my ten ninety eight?  

Okay?   The ten ninety eight, by the way, it's an IRS form for mortgage interest. Okay? So they're supposed to they're supposed to do that and show   they're supposed to report the mortgage interest. So you ask them for those ten ninety eights. They have to give them to you.   And now here's the thing.   They will not answer that.   They won't. They just won't do it.   So because the bank will refuse, they'll tell you that it's too burdensome.   Right?   And and just that alone kick I mean, that just drives me nuts because they say it's too burdensome. And I go, why don't you guys go be a roofer for a month and then tell me go on looking for paperwork is too burdensome.   Alright? It's just like it's like this little like, it's like a wuss. They're like being wusses.  

You're asking for things that are too burdensome. Stop being a wimp. Just go get it.   Go look for it. You know? That's how I see it when they because they say that. I'm like, what a bunch of wimps.   So,   that that what needs to be done, but this all has to be done with witnesses. That's why I use the notary. You could do, like, a legal,   serving,   servicer, like one of those companies that   serves legal papers.   Right? You could always do that because they'll have they have affidavits for every action they they do. I took it to this place. I took it to this guy. His name was blah blah blah. You know, he looked like this. Right? Sometimes they those guys know what they're doing, so they'll lie and give you a fake name.   But,   once once they default on that and you have all those things, you know, you gotta do that judicial default with them. Right?  

Default opportunity cure.   Right?   Certificate of nonresponse,   a judgment of nil deceit.   Once you do that, then you go and sue them in federal court for breach of contract under the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act.   Okay?   And the and you show them that you're not talking about any of this weird   stuff with negotiable instruments or anything like that. Like, oh, they made money off of that. No. No. No. You're going in, and you're utilizing   the remedy,   the statutory remedy because the courts will recognize that. They won't recognize all this other weird stuff. And you got friends trying to sue companies,   like credit card companies and banks saying that they gave them legal tender through a promissory note, and the the judges are laughing at them and going, I'm dismissing your case because it's frivolous.  

Right? Over and over again. I'm like, dude, you can't do that.   They will always they they're not gonna go and let the cat out of the bag. You know? They're not gonna tell they're not gonna flat out tell you that they're doing that,   but you can sue them over other violations   and win against them. And you can get the Security Exchange Commission on your side by reporting to them the criminality   between you and the bank. Like, the the bank is doing all these crimes. They're not ensuring they know properly,   and the the the SEC will come in, and they'll bring charges against them.  

And, you know, you can also use that as, like, see, look, there's criminal intent. Even the Security Exchange Commission is is looking into them for for criminality   on what they're doing with the with these securities.   And then, you know, it's an easy case for you to win in that situation because of the fact that you've already you've already protected yourself on the back end by just by doing everything per their statutory   regulations,   the banking regulations.  

[01:03:02] Unknown:

Mhmm. Right?   Okay. I just that they're by law not allowed to yeah. Go ahead. I just sent you an email with a with a link to a case   and,   a brief explanation   of why I sent it to you.   If you have a few minutes and are curious   and could look at it, any   suggestions you could make would be very helpful.   Because it's it's kinda like getting down to the wire in the eleventh hour and,   pretty much everything has been tried, though I don't know if everything that that has been tried was done correctly or   correctly or completely,   and it was probably thrown out on technicality.  

And   I don't   know exactly where they're gonna be able to go from where they are right now. But   Right. Yeah. It's,   it's,   you pick whatever direction somebody could be attacked by,   that would be this person.   They're they're being attacked on every front.  

[01:04:08] Unknown:

Okay. So  

[01:04:10] Unknown:

yeah. If you can take a couple of minutes and and look at some things.   I sent you the the link to the actual case with   all of the documents,   available,   via hot links right on the right on that web page.  

[01:04:27] Unknown:

Now I'm looking at it.  

[01:04:37] Unknown:

Joe, besides doing all the research on the mortgage,   have you has have you or anybody that you know done the   trust angle with,   I didn't know if the if the county became the use of rupture, if they would,   then be responsible for any claims made against   the property such as  

[01:04:59] Unknown:

a promissory note, you know, or a foreclosure. They don't they don't uphold that stuff. We I   we've tried that. My friend tried that a bunch of times.   He went to, he went to jail a couple times trying to use use of.   You know? Not to alarm anyone, but, you know,   they were already threatened to throw him in jail.   So   it's it's kind of like a it's really cool idea,   but they won't do like, the lower courts just won't recognize it at all.  

[01:05:34] Unknown:

So when you split up a trust with, like, the reversionary interest that they talk about,   that   did he kinda have all his   shot and pills done, you think? Your your your buddy as far as that goes?   Because, I know that someone I haven't been on it yet, but someone was saying a lot of the stuff wasn't up on the Telegram channel of,   trimmed up revisited, but but a lot of the territorial jurisdiction stuff was. So I was kinda curious if Are you talking about Boris' channel?   Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:06:09] Unknown:

I mean, there's some stuff up there. I think he just kinda throws stuff up there randomly. Who knows?   But  

[01:06:17] Unknown:

because splitting up the trust where, you know, like, he talks about any interest. You know?   And and and it sound like he was going in the direction of more like an ecclesiastical   trust where you're making it, kind of a religious,   ministry   of the the per the birth certificate of person. Because   when when you say, you know, you you have to   you have to, you know, file these forms, it's really the birth certificate of person that's that's doing that in commerce. Right?  

[01:06:49] Unknown:

Yeah.   That's the birth certificate and the Social Security card. Those are the two things that are acting in commerce.   The birth certificate can be used for conversion purposes,   and then the, the Social Security   number is for is all financial.  

[01:07:07] Unknown:

Right. That's the banking number. Right?  

[01:07:11] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:07:13] Unknown:

Do you use that in EIN form, or does it matter if you just put put it in any form?  

[01:07:18] Unknown:

What do you mean?  

[01:07:22] Unknown:

Well, some say you put the birth certificate as, like, a two two numbers dash, like like it's a corporation or whatever.  

[01:07:28] Unknown:

I don't know about that.   People say   it's a birth certificate.   You know, it's a promise,  

[01:07:35] Unknown:

for future labor. What is it? It's a law. Talking about yeah. I was talking about Social Security number. Sorry for the confusion. Yeah. That I meant putting the Social Security number in that EIN format if that makes a difference or if you just put it in as a as a number.  

[01:07:49] Unknown:

No. I'm not gonna have people sell kinds of stuff, but it'll come up as a Social Security number either way.  

[01:07:56] Unknown:

Got it.  

[01:08:01] Unknown:

Let's see.  

[01:08:06] Unknown:

So would you know, by by rights then, if the if the birthright was kind   of engineered   by the Reconstruction Acts and then the the, you know, the kind of the Roman Empire   officially taking over the rest of the world.   But this   you know, based on the carry currency letter, you know, there wasn't a real   commercial flow going on. So now this is meant as a protection,   this whole financial system.   You know, that's the philosophy of, say, Boris and some of the guys. So would it   would you not be able to use that,   birth certificate and Social Security number to   just,   you know, endorse back over to them   to say,   you know,   I appreciate this. I   I understand this is a peace settlement that you made in order to   own the land, if you will, in the Lord's   in kind of a place of the Lord on the land that   and, hey, take take care of this in the way that you take care of in your banking system. You know? Don't even get involved with forms. Just send it into treasury, their general counsel.  

And,   I mean, wouldn't that be   we're not supposed to be the the experts. We're not attorneys. We're not part of the bar. Wouldn't that be you know, we don't wanna kinda play in that legal land.   Is that overly simplistic?   Or  

[01:09:32] Unknown:

wait. Sorry. I was looking at this this court stuff here.   Say that again.  

[01:09:40] Unknown:

Yes. So I was just saying, you know, let let's let's   surmise that   the system is, you know, Satan's, if you will, book of Job.   And   but, you know, god allows it. God allows this kingdom right now, The United Kingdom,   to operate.   So we   we turn back the peace offering, which is the birth certificate Social Security number because they put that in place in order to have the worldwide system of commerce.   They knew they had to do it or else laborers would be idle,   like the carry currency letter says. You know, the the shops wouldn't wouldn't have enough,   orders, all this kind of stuff. So they put the system in. So they say, okay. Well, I I accept your peace certificate here, this birth certificate so I can operate in commerce. I accept,  

[01:10:26] Unknown:

the back to your vital statistics. You know? Like, just Right. Is that Let them send it back though and just be done with it. You're not part of the contract anymore.  

[01:10:36] Unknown:

Right. But then but wouldn't you   but couldn't you also just send in everything to a vital statistics? Say, I I accept what you offered as the, you know, as the   the religious, you know, ministry that you have under the fourteenth amendment. I accept it. I'm not fighting it. I'm not questioning the debt. I'm gonna send all these bills to you if I don't register our vital statistics too because   and I'm gonna appoint you to   take care of them because this is the system that you you've created.   Is that overly simplistic? Or  

[01:11:09] Unknown:

I I think you're making it more complicated. They won't do that, but I'm just letting you know, they won't do that because that's what Boris strive to do. They won't let it go.   They they're not gonna do that. It's it's it's along the same lines as Roger talking about, like, you know, leads it for protection, protection for allegiance to them going,   you know, okay. Well, we have to protect you.   You know?   It it it is a problem. That's why I like to use their court rules   because their court rules kinda force them to admit,   you know, their their shortcomings.  

But hey, Paul.   Oh.   I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some things that I find in this court case that   don't add up.   Alright?   There's no affidavit,   complaint,   or instrument of debt like a promissory note or anything like that.   So it's not properly informed of the nature and cause of the claim, which is violation of due process. So that's the first issue with this right here.   Okay? There's no timeline of any events.   Okay?   Now courts operate on procedural history. Without dates, there's no way to measure anything.   Right? Statue of limitations,   latches, or any continue,   continuity of claim.  

So there's no mention of the alleged obligation was occurred   or anything like that.   This whole   well, let's not take that one up. Let's do   So the filing,   it assumes that this is valid and enforceable   debt, but doesn't present original evidence of the debt. So the it's missing that too. Like, in the actual court case, it's missing the originality,   like, the original   evidence of a debt. So it's not in there.   So the fine it just assumes that it's valid and enforceable, which is prejudging the the case.   Right? It's a presumption of guilt.   The courts are not allowed to presume liability.  

Right?   Okay. It requires that presumptions be rebuttable and based on prima facie proof.   Okay? So they're also not doing that too.   Alright?   They're making this sound very urgent   and high in authority   even though they they they claim no injury or loss.   Right?   This inflates the seriousness of the case   beyond its actual legal posture.   Right? So it's like a a a fear based,   compliance   enforcement.   Okay?   There's a lot of inapplicable data in here, like, that doesn't discuss specific facts or or the parties involved. It's more like a mass generated or automated type of letter.   Right? These letters, there's a bunch of them.  

You know? And I mean, like, the amount of names that they put on here is also crazy   because they're over here.   It's just like,   who is the responsible party? Who are they actually bringing here? Because it has a whole list of names on here, and these guys seem like they don't know who the hell they're who the defendant is.   Okay?   And,   it looks like they're confused.  

[01:14:39] Unknown:

Well They don't even know who they're bringing the charges to. The property the property that they're going after is in a,   revocable,   living trust,   and the grantors   of the trust   are already deceased.   So the only thing that is left irrevocable then.   It's an irrevocable trust now, so it doesn't matter. Well, the only the only, parties that are left is the trustee,   which,   is the one that currently has possession of the house   and the beneficiary,   which is a family member.   So they're trying the the bank that wrote the original mortgage   on it or a refinance,   I believe it was,   the bank that wrote the original amount in question   is trying to foreclose on the property. And the reason I believe they're trying to do it quickly   is because this person is out of commission for six days or six six or seven days following   the date of the sale.  

And because   it's a nonjudicial   mortgage   or nonjudicial   foreclosure   state,   the   anyone who buys that property can take immediate   possession of it.  

[01:16:03] Unknown:

Alright.   Well, one thing, I would tell her to do is issue a bar complaint   for fraud on the court.   I would do a judicial notice of defect service and improper party,   and I would do a motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction and capacity.  

[01:16:24] Unknown:

Thank you.  

[01:16:25] Unknown:

Okay. Now this is a state court   that I believe it's a state court where this is all being fought. Right. And judging   judging from what you said before,   if you've got a mortgage problem or a foreclosure problem,   you take it to a federal court because you will not get joy in a state court.  

[01:16:47] Unknown:

That's right. I think the best thing they could do before moving it out is issue a bar complaint for fraud on the court.   Right? Do a judicial notice of defect service and improper party,   motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction   and capacity.   Okay? I would challenge the plaintiff's,   standing,   and then I would move it to federal court and then do a, you know,   you know, try to get remedy in federal court. You know? But just try to dismiss it there. If they're they're probably gonna reject the dismissal, but,   then you can utilize, you know,   other things. But you would have to move it to federal court from that point, in my opinion. Right. But I I gotta go, though, because I gotta get back to work. But it was good hanging out with everyone.  



[01:17:31] Unknown:

Hey. Thank you so much for hanging around with us for another hour and a half after showtime, and this has been awesome. Yeah. And don't be a stranger. You know?  

[01:17:42] Unknown:

I'm just busy working, and I'm going on vacation this weekend, so I won't be around. But, may hopefully, maybe next week I can hang out again.  

[01:17:51] Unknown:

Okay.   Alright. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna send,   I'm gonna send, this copy or a link to this part of the show   off to the straw man who also has   knowledge of this.   So   Okay. Maybe, maybe we can get something done. If I may?   Yeah.  

[01:18:15] Unknown:

What state is that in you're referring to?  

[01:18:18] Unknown:

I think you know what state.   It's Arkansas.  

[01:18:24] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you. Happy trails to you,  

[01:18:27] Unknown:

Joe? Yes, Joe. Happy trails. It's great.   I think you might have hung up already.   Okay. Well, then,   I'm gonna let the recording run for a few more minutes, see if we've got, see if we've got any,   any other ideas or or things, you know, kinda related to the topics that,   that we've been talking about so far.   And   and, oh, about five minutes, I'll   stop the recording   and work on the second   podcast   for today.   Thanks, everyone.  

[01:19:14] Unknown:

That's great. Two more avenues to go.   Excellent work.  

[01:19:19] Unknown:

Oh, absolutely.   Oh.   Yes.  

[01:19:26] Unknown:

What would this be?  

[01:19:28] Unknown:

Never mind. Go ahead. What at what, Bruce?  

[01:19:34] Unknown:

Where are you gonna put this, recording?  

[01:19:37] Unknown:

It'll be it'll be   it'll be the second archive,   the the second archive on today's,   uploads.   The, I'm working on processing the,   the show   transcript and show notes and all that right now, and then I'll be uploading   this recording after that.   Now,  

[01:20:07] Unknown:

what was be on Global Voice.  

[01:20:10] Unknown:

Yep. Yeah. It'll be on Global Voice.   Now, Rick, what were you wait. What were you trying to say?   Oh, okay. Well, he left.   Alright.  

[01:20:28] Unknown:

Paul? Yeah.   Yeah. Today's conversation,   just reinforces   with me more and more that,   this so called public debt   is only owned by the citizens of the fourteenth amendment.   It is not owned by state citizens.   Right. That should be the biggest selling because when they call in that debt, it's gonna wipe out almost everybody's property and car and everything else they own. Right. Well, certainly anything that is registered  

[01:21:01] Unknown:

because you were voluntarily   offering up,   your,   goods,   as security for the debt   without doing without knowledge.   Yeah. You know? And and as,   an enemy of the state,   there is   there was no   disclosure   required   beforehand.   You know? You're an enemy. Samuel.  

[01:21:35] Unknown:

Go ahead, Sheldon. Sorry. I thought you were done, Paul. Go Neil, go ahead.  

[01:21:40] Unknown:

No. I'm pretty I'm pretty much done, and I'm in I'm in complete agreement with Samuel.  

[01:21:46] Unknown:

Well, I just had a question for him then.   In that scenario,   would not a a trust be an additional layer of protection a guy could use when it came time to, lose everything you've worked your life for?  

[01:22:02] Unknown:

Well, I'm not sure that's the question, but,   Oswald, I'm saying is this is a great carrot to offer to people that we're trying to become state citizens   is that they're gonna owe that debt.   And when they call in that debt, I think it's gonna be proportionally laid out   to everybody who's a citizen.   But we as state citizens   could   object to it, and   I think have great legal standing. I mean, if you read Brose, Brose gets into it a lot in his little treatise   about   the debt owner is that fourteenth amendment. So and it's that's why it's written in the fourteenth amendment that you cannot   refute that debt. Can't say anything about it.  

They put it right in there.  

[01:22:49] Unknown:

Yeah. Think it's section four. So if you're not under the fourteenth amendment, then you are under no restriction   against   speaking out against the debt or challenging the debt.  

[01:23:02] Unknown:

I think the the birth certificate is the fourth, thirteenth amendment citizen, and then we are the living and flesh guy. You know? And if their system runs under the fourteenth, yeah,   they can't question what you're doing with the debt, you know,   by   putting in your that that was kind of the point I was trying to make. And I don't know when, you know, when Joe says this didn't work or some guy went to you. I don't know all the specifics of the case, but   to me, it's two separate deals. You know? It's like there's this Right. Shipping, like, monopoly monopoly token that goes around the board that plays, you know, what if somebody even paid their their IRS bill with monopoly money? You know? Because it's basically with this. You know?  

[01:23:44] Unknown:

But, but okay. Here's the deal with that.   As authorized agent for the all caps name, when you,   registered,   an automobile   making it a motor vehicle, when you applied for a driver's license, you were doing so as the authorized agent for that all caps name.   So   ownership and liability   for   that all caps name   is   given up to the state, like with the motor vehicle registration. They own your car   because you gave it to them. You didn't know you you were giving it to them, but you gave it to them.   They're using it as security against a debt that you are supposedly responsible for or that all caps name is responsible for.  

[01:24:37] Unknown:

So Correct. Yeah. And it's an it's an interest. Right? It's it's, like, part of an interest and but they created it. It's the interest on the federal reserve notes.   Well, I'm not getting meaning an interest, like, in a trust interest, but they they're the ones who created that thing that they're   representing. That lot they're they're using the act of god, you know, the live birth event to create whatever they're creating, like the marriage certificate. You know? If there wasn't   two people that consummated their marriages,   you know, they   or, you know, and I know they have fake marriages too, but, you know, they create the marriage certificate the same way. You know, they sign you know, they they own the thing because their name is on the top of the pay paper paper, and and their signature is on the bottom of the paper after everybody else's. So that's their deal.  

But they have we have an interest in it because without God's,   you know, spark of life, whether birth or marriage,   that thing wouldn't exist, that piece of paper.  

[01:25:34] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:25:36] Unknown:

So I don't know why we can't with trust. Like, with any trust, you can assign any kind of interest. You know?   And, I mean, I have a trust for the house right now. I'm gonna go through it line by line and see how they,   you know, put the different interests labeled. And then I'm not sure what things didn't hold up in court. I mean, I know when I searched on bore Boris Ericsson, there was one   thing where he wasn't considered it was a federal court case from '9 from 2024,   and I think in Florida. And they said, oh, yeah. He wasn't part of the trust. So I'm not sure   where they came down on that and if it was a technicality or whatever. But,   logically, to me, I mean, the whole thing is like trust. So but that but   I   need to probably talk to Joe too with his experience   in it as well and, of course, Mark. You know? Right.  



[01:26:29] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:26:31] Unknown:

Yeah. Mhmm. I think one of the things that that   we don't stress enough is   how important losing the gold standard was. This this little piece from Burrows theory says,   when Congress suspended the gold standard, the nation was thrown into a debtor creditor   relationship   because the people are the posterity of the country.   There are also the posterity of the debt through the Social Security system   while remaining under the fourteenth amendment   because it is   it it because it it it made one primarily   a United States citizen   and secondarily   a citizen of the state.  

Right. So under the fourteenth Amendment you automatically became responsible servicing the national debt in order to maintain the Social Security system.   He says review the footnotes on number 24 on constructive trusts.   So   I   think what he's saying there, what's really important about that is   he's   you can   from from the way that is worded, you can actually   take the Social Security but not be a fourteenth Amendment citizen.   But as a fourteenth Amendment citizen   you owe the debt   for what it's created.   That and all the other things they're spending money on, of course. But  

[01:27:57] Unknown:

Right. Well, under Social Security, you contributed to it. Your employer contributed to it, and then they took what the contribution,   and they parlayed it into   a,   some greater number,   and then they   skimmed off the top   for the general fund.   So,   yeah, whether or not you,   have a Social Security card   or whether or not you're collecting Social Security, it doesn't have any connection to the fourteenth amendment   and federal citizenship.   It's a private,   it's a private retirement   plan program   that   you took part in.   You did your,  

[01:28:49] Unknown:

due performance. Sentence one more time real carefully, Paul, because you're missing exactly what he said.   They are also the posterity   of the debt through the Social Security   system   while remaining   under the fourteenth amendment,   while remaining under.   That's important.  

[01:29:14] Unknown:

Right. And that's the presumption, right, in all the court cases. So until you, you know, turn in your birth certificate,   which obviously is tied to Social Security,   the court, you know, basically won't know they're gonna just tie you as the chattel to it. You know?  

[01:29:34] Unknown:

So I think that's what he's saying there. You know? Yeah. He he's saying be you're you're being tied to Washington DC and not your state anymore under that fourteenth amendment. And   there's the difference in whether you're getting that Social Security as a fourteenth amendment citizen   or as a state citizen.  

[01:29:55] Unknown:

That's because your first   your first political status is presumed to be fourteenth amendment citizen and secondary Yeah. Secondarily a state citizen.  

[01:30:06] Unknown:

Well, isn't that isn't that social insurance plan that Mandel House said they would become filthy rich and and if one in a million found out about it, they would have plausible deniability?  

[01:30:18] Unknown:

Yes.   And believe me, they they   from from the years I've been looking at this stuff,   they look at everything as a benefit,   you know, at at in the 10 square   miles down there. It's like Obama saying when he was president that,   nobody out here who's an entrepreneur or making good for himself,   he owes it all to the federal government. Right?  

[01:30:46] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:30:48] Unknown:

Nowhere. That's how arrogant they are.  

[01:30:51] Unknown:

Right.   Yeah. They can they can make declarations and claims   and proceed as though,   they're standing on law when they're absolutely not. We make declarations   and claims.   They ignore us   because, well, who are you?   Okay. I'm gonna take this part of the program down.   It won't affect, everybody here. I'm just gonna stop the recording. This has been the after show for the Global Voice Radio Network and   the Radio Ranch   with Roger Sales for July   2025.   Thanks so much.   Ciao.