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A lively, sometimes chaotic, night in the radio shed that turns into a surprisingly practical masterclass in food freedom and resilience. I open with botched buttons, sizzling steaks, and a spirited debate about pressure cookers with Eric—Hawkins vs. Prestige, aluminum vs. stainless, how to “barely hear a hiss,” and why brisket chili and shredded beef belong on the winter menu. From there we widen the lens: cutting out middlemen, befriending butchers, farm‑to‑table clubs, keyhole gardens, sprouts, biochar/terra preta, foraging nettles and dandelion, and the culture that forms when neighbors feed neighbors. Along the way we tip our caps to the Peasants’ Revolt of 1381, the Mongols’ meat-fueled stamina, and the power dynamics of supermarkets, banks, and governments that never seem to fix what they break. In hour two, Frederick Blackburn joins from Blackjack Mountain with Appalachian farm lore, gentrification battles, and how disaster response exposes who actually shows up. We challenge romantic myths about the American West (via Thomas Goodrich’s Scalp Dance), recall film and literature (The Third Man, Graham Greene, Grimm, Bulfinch), and wrestle with speech, history, and sovereignty—always coming back to the actionable: cook it, grow it, can it, and connect. Pleasant peasants, indeed—tough, practical, and hard to herd.


 

• 'Hawkins Cookers (pressure cookers, India)': https://www.hawkinscookers.com

 

• 'TTK Prestige (pressure cookers, India)': https://www.ttkprestige.com

 

• 'Tower Housewares (cookware brand mentioned)': https://www.towerhousewares.co.uk

 

• 'Pressure cooking (overview)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_cooking

 

• 'Keyhole garden (how it works)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyhole_garden

 

• 'Terra preta (biochar‑rich soil)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta

 

• 'Biochar (soil amendment)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar

 

• 'Foraging: dandelion as food/tea': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taraxacum#Uses

 

• 'Foraging: stinging nettle as a green': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinging_nettle#Culinary_uses

 

• 'Myxomatosis in rabbits (UK context)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis

 

• 'Peasants’ Revolt (1381) background': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_Revolt

 

• 'Mongol conquest of China (diet, endurance context)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China

 

• 'Graham Greene — Brighton Rock (novel)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_Rock_(novel)

 

• 'The Third Man (1949 film)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Man

 

• 'Anton Karas (composer of The Third Man theme)': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Karas

 

• 'Thomas Goodrich — Scalp Dance: Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865–1879 (book)': https://www.amazon.com/dp/0806133216

 

• 'Thomas Goodrich — Hellstorm (book)': https://www.amazon.com/dp/1494775061

 

• 'Larken Rose — The Most Dangerous Superstition (book)': https://www.amazon.com/dp/1519575411

 

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the music's pretty loud.  

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Yes. This one right now is already broadcasting.  

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Ah. It's gonna be loud. Put it back.  

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You'll know where to go now.  

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Alright. Just hold on. Here we go.   Cough, cough, cough. Good evening. Just got a tickly cough there right at the start of all this. It's,   it's Thursday. What's the date? December 4. Look, we're in December already. And the end of the near Lumeth nigh, does it not? So something like that. Paul English Live, episode one one five. Look, that rhymes. Welcome to the show.   Well, hi there, and, welcome back. It's Thursday, 11/20/2000.   Right. And that's twice in two weeks that the wrong track has got played. I can't believe this. Right. We're gonna start this properly because I've got to edit this. I've got to edit this later on. This is just absolutely ridiculous.   Really, really ridiculous. How did that happen again?  

Let me just have a look here.   This is just so silly. Sorry about that everybody. I've got to start this thing properly.   That is so strange.   I oh, I know what's happened.   Right. Let's start again. It's two minutes past. Hi, everybody on WBN. This is Johnny's stupid pants here. Paul English live. Welcome to the show one one five. Completely messed it up.   Oh,   did it right this time.   And in the first of very many technical cock ups this evening, welcome to the show. Hope you've had a good week.   As I was saying a little bit earlier there, which won't be on the recording now,   we're December,   and, the end of the year is looming nigh. And we all can't wait for 2026,   can we? Because it's gonna be just as good as 2025.  

Tum tee tum tee tum.   Tum tee tum tee tum. The only way to cope with with things like that.   And to take   and to take some nicotine.   How about that? I just want you to know that this is the sort of sort of thing I get up to. Anyway, I hope you've had a cracking week and all that kind of stuff. What we got going on tonight? Eric's gonna be joining us momentarily. He's liggying around in the studio.   I had one of his shrieking laughs just there,   whilst I was messing things up, and rightly so.   And in about an hour's time, beginning of hour two, we're gonna be joined by,   Blackbird nine, Frederick Blackburn from Blackjack Mountain,   which I know you're all quite envious about that you don't live there because it's such a fantastic sounding place.  

So, we'll be joined a little bit later by Frederick. Anyway, I've had a lot of fun this week.   Very busy week, quite exciting.   Is it exciting? May is a bit too strong. We need a little bit more English restraint. Be modicately interesting.   How about that? Eric, what kind of a week have you been having? Oh,  

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let's put it this way. A life a week full of this, that, and the other, and too much this and that.   Really? I think yes.   But, no. That's that's good. I think we're go I think we're going into pressure cooker mode, aren't you? I think what we're talking about earlier.  

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I was about to I was about to start some pressure cooker chat just then, but you beat me to it. Just now, of course, this is a very odd beginning to the show, I admit this, when we're talking about pressure cookers. Eric called me up today. We were talking about all sorts of things, but the very interesting, lively, and compelling topic of pressure cooker cookers came up. In fact, you brought it up because we were talking about the best way to deal with meat.   And I discovered something very interesting about you and your relationship with pressure cookers, didn't I, Eric? That's right. Yes. Is that you've got five of them. Five pressure cookers. Yeah. So I'm a bit of a or I thought I could handle one, and I'm a I'm a pressure cooker addict lot. You know? I've tried to keep the habit, but it just got too much for me now. And you know what I mean? You know? So it's probably five five from now on? Cookers. Yes. Yes. Eric, five cookers. Yes. And I mean, I just it just seems, you know, call me a bit forward but it just seems a little bit excessive. I mean Yes. Or am I, you know,   I'm gonna call me a bit forward but it just seems a little bit Oh, hang on just a minute. I mean is everyone good? I told you when I go wrong now. There we go. There we go. Yes.  



[00:06:46] Unknown:

Yes. It is really, unless you're a pressure cooker addict. That's it. You know? Or a junkie.   And,   but,   between you and I, the audience would don't hear this.   I've got the Ferrari of pressure cookers.   It's a Hawkins from India, and the Indians do very, very good pressure cookers. And  

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do you wanna buy pressure? Everybody tonight, you didn't think we'd be kicking off talking about Indian pressure cookers? Because I didn't. Although, I did have it down on my to do list about something that we could bring up. Hawkins Indian   pressure cookers. By the way, shout out to everybody out there in Radioland on WBN,   over at Radio Soapbox, Hollyland Radio, Global Voice Network, Eurofote Radio,   WBN, the main one. That's where we're at for the next two hours.   Also, shout out to everybody in chat,   in, Rumble and YouTube. Good to see you early birds here rocking up at the beginning of the show. Of course, anybody that does that tends to not miss much because I'm just generally pressing all the wrong buttons, aren't I? But anyway, back to our interesting and compelling chat   about pressure cookers.  



[00:07:49] Unknown:

That's right. You see, you've got the the the the Maserati   or the Ferrari of pressure cookers, which is your Hawkins. Yeah. And then you get these sort of, like, the cheapo ones like Prestige, and the worst is Tower. It used to be the best, but,   she has a tower as a pressure cooker connoisseur, I look into these things. And whatever you do, if you're in in Britain, don't buy an aluminum one. If you're in America, don't buy an aluminum one because the the aluminum is just not very good for you. Buy a stainless steel one. There we go. A pressure cooker connoisseur.  

[00:08:22] Unknown:

That's quite a nice I quite like the idea of you being a pressure cooker connoisseur. I won't be able to say that after a few Pressure cooker connoisseur.  

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But the reason the Hawkings are good is because   the seal doesn't wear out, whereas with the Prestige, you have to swivel, turn the handle to get it out, and it wears the,   seal out. So every couple of years, you have to buy a new seal, whereas with the Hawkins,   it tends to last forever. Not one of those seals. Right? Oh oh oh, we could have. Yes.   But there we go. You see?   You know, I'm a mound of useless information. Isn't that boring?   Pimple.  

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You're a pimple of useless information. I know that's really good.  

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A pimple on the rectum of society.  

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Well,   as we're talking about sort of cooking and stuff, I mean, I don't know whether I'd mention anyway, I I went up to my local butcher's today. I,   I came into some money. An old uncle died and left us a large deposit sufficient to buy a steak.   Because you have to take a mortgage out to go buy steaks these days and things like this. Right?   So I was gonna leg it down to a reason I'm not gonna give them a name, but I was gonna leg it down to a reasonably posh supermarket. And as I stepped out of the door, two things happened. First of all, it was bloody cold.   And I've still got my shorts on today, which I know is sort of stupid.  

But I couldn't be bothered to go and change and put long trousers on,   except when I got into the cold.   So I thought, that's a bit too far because it's sort of like it was been an hour and twenty minutes there and back. I was in for a long walk. I immediately got dissuaded of that. And so I headed off to a local butcher's. I thought it's gonna cost me a bit more, but I need to give the local lad some money.   And,   it's a cracking butchers. Unfortunately, it sells nothing but pork sausages and I well, not not nothing but but it's got it's won awards.   As every butcher won awards, it appears that every single one's just world champion this, that, and the other. But it's it's a good butcher shop. It's about sort of twenty minutes walk away from here. And so I thought I'll go up there and buy them. So,   I did. I bought two steaks.  

I would have bought three but my my other son was out said, no. I don't need one tonight. I said, okay. You know, quite happy to save the money. Anyway, what did I pay for two steaks? They were good. They were sirloin steaks. I paid £26   for two steaks.   Is that bad? Right in. If you're on Rumble or YouTube, tell me that I've been had. I didn't mind. I know I paid probably a little bit over the odds. They were a good chunky size. What did they weigh?   It was about one and a quarter pounds   in weight for both of them both of them together, not each. They were at one pound. So they were just over half a pound each each steak.   And I've just eaten it. Well, not just. I mean, I've just been messing up the buttons and things. About an hour and a half ago, I ate it. It was fantastic. I haven't eaten one in about six weeks or something.  

So I thought, oh, we can do that. I can do that once or twice a month.   I'm actually sort of planning on making loans to buy meat. I'm sure that's what's gonna happen. Oh, you can get it free?  

[00:11:23] Unknown:

Yeah. You can get it free if you live near a dual carriageway   and just be patient   and, get a bit of roadkill, you know, like the occasional muntjac deer and things like that, you know. Just sit there and wait with your knife and fork ready and,   it there's a lot of roadkill around where I live, you know. All you have to do is just scrape it off the road.  

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Take a laugh. Take I can't imagine I mean, it sounds interesting. It's gonna be a bit gravelly, isn't it? A bit of grit in it and all that kind of stuff. I don't think   I see I mean, around here, there's a big,   I see badgers every now and again that have been clocked and it always upsets me. Although the badger is a ferocious little beast of the countryside and rightly so. They're such strikingly   handsome savage beasts really,   badgers.   So you see them every now and again. And I know I think around here there are still people that do badger baiting and stuff. There's sort of some ancient sort of maniac   breed of people that do that sort of thing, which is a bit out of order, frankly.  

That's putting it mildly.   But, no. I will be I will be taking more custom to him.   The other thing I'm planning to do at the weekend, while we're on the food front still,   is I want to do some shredded beef, which I've never done before. I'm sure certain people are just gonna go, what? You fool. Why have you never done that before? But apparently, it's quite easy. It's a bit like sort of boiling something. So you just lob it into a slow cooker. I think this is maybe where the conversation with you and me   got round to the whole pressure cooker thing. That's probably what it was. And,   it looks fantastic. And I think you can get a cheaper cut of meat and it will come out good. So I've got to get some skirt. He said skirt.  

I said, who? Seriously?   This is a nice shot of everything. I like a bit of skirt, you know. I love it. I've got to get a nice bit of skirt, you see. And he was a nice geezer and he says, I can I can give you some I said, I don't know how much I need? I'll come back in a day or so. We'll get skirt for the weekend.   So I'm gonna do that. So beef a couple of times a week is is pretty cool.   I might even go beef on Christmas day. Who knows? It's a long way off, isn't it? I shouldn't be thinking about such things.   As long as bread sauce goes with it, I don't mind. Hello, Paul. Hello. Good evening. Hello.  



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Hi. I have a question for you. What cut of steak did you get?  

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Today, I got two sirloin steaks.  

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Two okay. Two sirloin steaks, roughly 12 pounds a pound. That wouldn't be too bad for sirloin. That's   on   that's No. 26 pounds a pound. We'll pay. 26 pounds. So $35  

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$33   a pound I paid, roughly, about $30 a pound. Well, no. That's crap.  

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Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I enjoy the I've just basically  

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I've resigned myself to the fact that if you're gonna have to do it, I'm just gonna have to every now and again. You know, I won't be eating for the next three days. That was my entire food budget. No. It wasn't that bad. But,   no. I just thought we'd try them out. It was, I mean, it was actually a very, very good steak. You you might say, well, it ought to be for that price, but sometimes you can shell out money and it's ropey as rubbish. It wasn't. Yeah. So the guy was good,   and I was satisfied, and I'd been satisfied if I'd paid half the price, but I thought, you know, I don't eat steak all the time. Well  

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If he's a butcher,   then Mhmm. Ask him. Because there are different cuts of meat   that are very good but they're less expensive than the, like, the t bones, the rib eyes, the strip steaks, the sirloins,   they're cheaper. Like, there is a cut of a chuck steak.   It all depends on where you get it from the animal and that butcher will be able to tell you,   which ones he would buy  

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and bring home because he knows Well, that's it. I thought I'd I'd do a bit of I I must get into the swing of buttering up the butcher and get to know his inner knowledge and see about all the different parts of the cow and what we're gonna do. So,   my mom used to use a pressure cooker. Dj b two says shredded brisket chili. I do like the sound of that. Shredded brisket chili is decent made in a pressure cooker. Yeah. And my mom my mom had a pressure cooker when we were younger. It was a staple sort of utensil of the kitchen. Quite liked it. I like the hissing, you know, and all that kind of stuff. And I always remember stews generally coming out fantastic because it just it sort of pulverizes the meat. It cooks it so through and it all gets soft. Because there's nothing worse than buying a lot of beef and it's chewy. Well, there is. There are other things like having your leg ripped off or something like that. That's worse. But on food steaks, it's always a big disappointment when you sort of shell out a bit on beef and it's just bouncing around between your teeth and you're going Ah. This is a bit chewy. You know? But  

[00:16:00] Unknown:

if if you do it in a pre cooked meat in a pressure cooker as I do, I actually do steaks in a pressure cooker,   they are absolutely melt in your mouth, and it's a totally different view. And also, I do lamb's hearts. Now can you get them from the butchers? The only place I can get them around here is in Tesco's, and they sell Lamb's Hearts, but I think I could. Does. Yeah. They're they're very very good. Sausages  

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and beef sausages. I've had the beef sausages from there. They were fantastic.   Not as tasty as a pork sausage, but I quite liked them. The lamb ones are pretty good too.   So, yeah. I mean, you know, the lamb ones are pretty good too. So Yeah. I mean, the lamb was supposed to be about meat and pressure cookers, but Well, the the key  

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the key to cooking meat in a pressure cooker is you cannot cook it like my mother did, because she would turn on the pressure, she would turn on the heat, and there was this loud hissing noise coming from the kitchen. You don't do that. Yeah. You just turn the heat up until it starts hissing loudly, and then you turn it down   so you can barely hear a hiss. So you're   so you have the pressure but you're not,   evacuating all of the flavor and the goodness of the meat through the steam.   My ma, oh man, she would have that thing going so it was rocking back and forth. It was doing   it was like for an hour and yeah. Okay. It was tender, but it was kind of lifeless.  



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A bit like having a small steam engine rolling away in the kitchen. Right.  

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Yeah. Exactly.  

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I know that I remember that sound too. That's interesting.   So that's a good phrase that you said, barely hear a hiss. That's another good little one for everybody. You can take that from tonight's show. Barely hear a hiss. That's right. Sometimes it's hiss on and sometimes it's hiss off. I mean, that's that's that's that's the problem. Boom. You know? Boom. Oh, hiss off.  

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It's like mommy, mommy. It's like the snakes, mommy, mommy, that next door won't let me hiss in their pit. Don't worry dear, I remember when they didn't have a pit to hiss in. Yeah sorry.   I had to say that carefully didn't I? Yeah. And you didn't.  

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You failed miserably.   No. Yeah.  

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But just so anyway yeah. So yeah. Sorry. Go on. What I was gonna say is with lamb's hearts, they're very, very you you generally have to put them in a slow cooker for, you know, a couple of hours. But with a pressure cooker,   it's about half an hour because,   twenty minutes half an hour because they're very, very tough.   But they have incredible taste when you when you've done them. They really taste beautiful.  

[00:18:34] Unknown:

And I just cut them in half and cook them with onions. I think like we said when we were talking a bit earlier, I think,   pressure cooker tips with Eric von Essex is a sort of weekly ten minute little clip that can be played throughout the week. That would be at pressure cooker tips   and barely hear a hiss.  

[00:18:51] Unknown:

Barely hear a hiss. And also if you get a Hawking, you should get a recipe book and everything. You get a lot more with it because it's made in India.  

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And, Are you on commission? Are you on commission? Because you sound like you're Hawking Hawkins.  

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Oh, yes. I'm definitely Hawking. You, sir? I've I've got six fob bobs for this.   But, no, seriously,   I've I've done my rounds of pressure cookers, and I like them. And,   no. They they they work well. And they're made to last because and they're really solidly built. So that's it. But whatever you do, don't buy an aluminum one. Never buy an aluminum because the aluminum's Or aluminum if you're in America. Or aluminum. No. We don't buy aluminum ones.   But,   no. That's that's it. So,   I I can walk around there. So I've got a Hawkins, you know.   So there you go. They're   they're they're they're the they're the Maserati or Ferrari of the pressure cooker world.  



[00:19:49] Unknown:

Okay. Well, that's good. Well, I I will I'm gonna get one this month,   and we'll I'll have my first pressure cook,  

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and, we'll let you know how it all goes. I'm sure everybody just can't wait, you know, keen with bated breath. Yeah. I hope you'll have a good hiss up in there with your pressure cooker, you know, and you'll be hissing around in your kitchen. So there we go.  

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And and I and, you know, the the sort of lead into this about talking about meat and pressure cookers and buying steaks and all that is that, some of you know, I think we talked about it last week as well,   is that the previous week I'm losing track of the time now, not this Monday, but the previous Monday.   Eric did a really interesting show with Mark, the bowler headed farmer,   who I was speaking to   a little bit earlier today because we had Steven on last week,   talking about his dairy farm, which was great.   And hopefully, that's all going   groovy and he's, he's off to a flying start with selling direct to the public.  

But I've just, you know, basically been thinking more and more about this whole food thing,   you know, in terms of it,   including everybody.   Everybody's everybody's actually included in this conversation. It's one of those few things,   that that actually everybody is literally included in. And I think I'm getting a sense, certainly in talking to Mark again today and some other sorts of nosing around,   that the the reach and the amount of activity in this space is considerably greater than me, a guy in my radio shed, hitherto knew. There's a lot going on out there.   Mark, in fact, wasn't a million miles away from me yesterday. I wouldn't have liked he was over in East Sussex, I think it was. I'm in West Sussex. He was down here seeing a farm called My Little Farm.  

They excuse me. They have a website. I went over and had a look at that today. Very interesting. And they they've got a message on the front which is very much in line   with all of the sentiments that Mark has been expressing that I've been thinking about. Maybe you guys out there, you've been thinking about this as well. You know, the idea of of us going direct, dealing with things, and really getting this part of the supply chain,   much more to our liking. And,   I I think it's,   the more I think about it, the bigger a kind of an event I think it could easily turn into. I know that Mark is convinced in that way.   A lot of people, when I was speaking to him today, he was letting me know I mean, he's had 700 volunteers.  

I think he mentioned this and   seven hundred's quite a lot. It's like, setting up an organization and not even running a job advert and getting 700 applicants straight away who just sort of cosmically know   that they wanna get involved with what you're doing. And I guess the the challenge now or the next step is to sort of organize all these efforts amongst these people   so that something more substantial can get built with each passing day and that's definitely happening.   So I've I've been discussing things with him in terms of technical things and,   possibly a sort of,   a radio type thing or a whole sort of way of beefing this thing up, pun intended,   and,   and seeing where we're where we're gonna go with it, which is,   I think it's a there's a good journey ahead.  

A very good journey ahead. And,   today's image, by the way have you seen today's image? Oh, gosh. That was the thing I forgot to do. I didn't send out That's it. That's it. Yeah. You see, there's always something I couldn't I couldn't promote your show. That's just it. I couldn't I couldn't promote your show because I couldn't find find the advert for it.   Yeah. I'm just stu you know what I am at times? Stupid.   I'm stupid. Actually, I need I need a lady that does. That's what I need. I need a lady that does. You know one of those people,   to to sort me out at times. What I did what I I was going to swear a bit then. So I won't do that. Sorry about that if you didn't see the advert. But if you didn't see the advert, you don't know that you didn't see it. So at least there's that going on. Yeah.  

Where was I? Now I'm all distressed that I've just revealed yet again that I'm an oaf, but never mind.   What was I just talking about? Didn't send the advert out.   Brains gone dead. Brains pressure cookers back again? No? No? No. I think we've done that. I I think we've got dry people bad with pressure cookers, you know. It's not trainspot. Anyway, I know what I was saying. I was just talking about the image for it. Now if you're on Rumble and YouTube, you can see it. If you're elsewhere, you didn't get to see it because I didn't send the ad out. But it's a painting of,   I've mentioned this on and off, really, ever since the show started. I keep coming back to this as a sort of returning theme,   which is the Peasants Revolt of thirteen eighty one. As you can tell, I'm kind of intrigued and,   very attracted to it in all sorts of ways because I think it's got lots of,   what's the word? I can't remember. Lots of lessons. There's a new word I was supposed to inject in there. Salutary lessons. I think that was the word I'm looking for,   about our condition today. And,   the picture shows John Ball, who was the mendicant priest,   and he's on a mound in this, image if you can see. I think it's a cracking little image. And,   it's him talking spontaneously   to his fellow pleasant peasants, hence the title of today's show, Pleasant Peasants,   which I know you all are. And it's really through the pleasant peasants that we're gonna have some chance of, restoring our way of life because we're certainly not gonna see it restored   courtesy of the powers that should not be. I mean, they're doing   they're doing their damnedest, is that the phrase?  

To to basically wreck everything. And,   I've mentioned before about this control,   that they had on the people's diet. And this is why I'm, you know, I know we've mentioned it before about being a vegetarian   and eating meat and all this kind of stuff.   And it's pretty important stuff, basically. I mean, you know, not to put too fine a point on it. It's very very important because,   if your nutritious   intake is poor, your thinking is gonna be poor, you're not gonna mumble through very very well. And it turns out,   not I I suspect not to the surprise of anybody listening here, that this tactic of controlling the food supply is ancient.  

It really is. It's an ancient thing. And they were doing it very much,   to the peasants,   back in that time,   in terms of controlling them.   Just going back in history, there'd been the is it the Black Death, the Plague, whatever it is? There'd been that   effectively,   the population of England, probably, I suppose, by extension, maybe huge parts of Wales and Scotland, I don't know how far that disease got, had been halved   at the time. And so everybody was working twice as hard but getting paid the same amount of stuff.   And,   there's a little poem that I keep going back to called The Red Dagger by Heathcote Williams. And if you're not familiar with it, you ought to look it up. It's on a website called internationaltimes.it.  

I don't know why it's .it, but it is.   Internationaltimes.it.   This was a an actual print magazine that started up, I think, in the early seventies, the early nineteen seventies. And Heathcote Williams, who's no longer alive, was a young man at the time and was involved in it. He's written lots of very interesting things. I think he's possibly a bit of a lefty in some way, but I that's got nothing to do with it. I I haven't looked into it far enough.   Everything that is written I like very much because it's   it's basically heart centered.  

And, there's a couple of little,   a little paragraphs here or a little a few verses. It's written in a sort of prose verse all the way through. It's very interesting to read. It's not like a normal poem. It's not confusing either. It's very clear.   And he says this, England's villages were tired of working morning till night   for the benefit of the lord of the manor.   Unable to buy or sell,   move or marry,   or grind their own corn without fines and fees and permission from the master.   Medieval   landlords would calculate the minimum diet, the least amount of beans and gruel and oats,   the minimum calorific requirements to keep a peasant productive,   and landlords would cynically compare notes.  

These reactionary cabals of land owning courtiers   had those they depended upon living in grime, and all thoughts of improving the lives of their peasants was regarded as disruptive, if not a crime.   But villagers, now unimpressed by the commissioner's status, took to seizing them.   One was Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, Sir Robert Bellnape,   who was made to swear on the Bible that he'd never take part in any further oppression   and then released. And I   it's a it's a big poem, by the way. It's quite big or it's a prose poem, as you can tell from the way it reads. It's very literate, very easy to understand, and it's got a great sort of hidden rhythm in it.   But it's factually very correct. And,   2031   will be the seven hundred and fiftieth anniversary of it, I just let everybody know. And of course, that'll be the first year of something or other because we know that they've got their agenda 2030   lined up to,   to make the world a better place   like everything else that they do.  

But I'm I'm just I just thought I'd read that again. I think I might have even mentioned it last week, but it's worth reinforcing these things.   This control over diet is key. And,   I came up   another little thing all to do with the consumption of meat and vegetables and vegetarian diets,   which was talking about the Chinese   keeping a record. They used to keep a meticulous record of many things. I'm not very familiar with Chinese history,   not yet. Don't know if I ever will be. But,   they were a a nation that suffered at the hands of the Mongols as did a lot of other nations at a certain time in history.   And they were completely outfought by the Mongols everywhere they went.  

And one of the reasons that they came to or one of the conclusion they came to was to do with the diet   that the Chinese troops were eating. They were like peasants here in England. They were kept on a minimum calorific thing. They're all thin and wiry for sort of dealing with fields.   The Mongols were basically on the move eating meat all the time. And they were saying in certain reports that these guys could fight solid for, like, forty eight hours without drawing breath in comparison to   the Chinese. So although they were heavily outnumbered by the Chinese, they just plowed through them like the proverbial hot knife through butter.   So this stuff is is pretty important and, of course, we know that,   although I think Bill Gates might have given up his claims on land or something or is he is reversing stuff. I don't know if you've heard anything about that, guys. Anybody heard anything about that recently?  



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Nope.   No. No? Because you it's it's the no. I don't think he's the one that wants us to eat,   insects. Who's it wants us to eat insects?   I think he wants us because there's another one that wants us to eat plastic   that's printed out, printed food.   But the thing is if if we go over to like a vegetarian vegan diet, vegan especially,   vegans according to   a doctor mc   what's her name now? Can't think of her name.   She's actually on YouTube.   Not a Doctor Natasha.   She,   claims that   vegans become extremely angry through lack of lack of meat,   and they are that's why they're so aggressive. You you see a lot of aggressive. Now I used to think that meat causes aggression. It doesn't. It's lack of meat that causes aggression.  

And this is why you see these   weirdos running around and, you know and I'm not against vegetarians. I used to be one myself one once upon a time for a short time. But the thing is,   if they cut people off of meat,   they'll have a, they'll have a a uprising   because people just become,   extremely aggressive because their bay body will be craving for meat. And the tribe in Yes. An island somewhere that that are cannibals   because they can't get meat.   And, they're so stuck hungry most of the time, they go to another tribe, bunk them on the head, and and eat them. And that's true.  

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So but but you don't have to worry about the vegans. Sure. They get angry and they get aggressive and they'll fight, but they don't have the strength to do it for very long. So No. It's no biggie. No. That's true. But the trouble is we'll all be vegans whether we like it or we don't. That's the thing. Because we won't be able to get meat unless you,  

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go for roadkill. But then we won't get roadkill because we won't be out we won't be driving because they wanna get us out of the cars, don't they? So, you know, that's gonna be difficult.  

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That and they're killing the road. They're killing all the animals.   Yes. They're spraying them. They're poisoning them. They're doing the same thing to them that they're doing to us. It's controlling the food. Right. Eliminating the food chain.  

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Yeah. And they're doing all the same things.  

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Some of the comments that Mark's been receiving, he passed one on to me today. I can't quote you who the source was, but he's been he's out and about every day, it seems, you know, all behind the mic and doing things, which is just fantastic. So there's a lot going on.   And there's, as he's sort of putting this idea out to more and more people, it's definitely building up a head of steam.   He linked me through to a couple of guys that have got YouTube channels and stuff with considerable followings and Facebook   things. It's like this is the connective network, I think, to pull so many people together. No doubt, in fact, absolutely guaranteed,   the overlap of of interests and what we think are important will differ,   that is is bound to. In fact, the larger it gets, the more that that will happen. But,   I think it's worth bearing in mind if we wanna argue or discuss things, you know, in a nice civil way, we're all gonna need to eat every now and again. I think this is a great it's a great way to get everybody's attention. It's fine it's fine you're doing this kind of stuff.  

I've been you know, when you actually think about,   say, military history and I'm I bet there's some books on there. There must be. I I was thinking the other day about the administrators   of logistics and supplies, which is, you know, casual. It's not dismissed as much, but it's never given a great deal of emphasis. But the simple truth is   that an army does fight on its stomach or has done traditionally   and,   you know, maybe drones don't anymore because we know that the the technological   face of warfare is is changing all the time.   So whoever's in charge of food supplies   is in   a really powerful position. I mean,   not because you say they're powerful but because they are.  

If they didn't sort the food out in the past, I mean, this has never really given any sort of I don't remember reading much about the food supplies. I was always fascinated really   about Napoleon going into Russia.   There is a book which I've only sort of read about fifteen, twenty pages of. I've forgotten the name of it. One of his one of the guys that went with him into Russia and back,   there is talk about how they're having to deal with horses,   how they're having to deal with food. I mean, this is a supply chain that's basically   put in place by horse and cart,   to put it mildly.  

That's how it all worked.   So that these logistics departments of delivering food to armies on the move   are sophisticated armies in themselves, aren't they really? And one of the comments just stepping back now to what I was gonna say about what Mark had said, he got a comment from someone,   I think yesterday or sometime during the course of this week.   I think you may recall Mark mentioned that the supermarkets in this country make about 30,000,000,000   a year,   which is quite a bit of money, isn't it?   It's quite a lot. 30,000  

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million pounds a year. So it's A bit of loose change. Yeah.  

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Yeah. I mean, on a weekly basis, we're talking, what,   600,000,000   a week or something.   It's quite a lot,   isn't it? It's quite a lot.  

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It's about 80,000,000 a day they make it for the first To the Rothchilds, that would that would be loose change, wouldn't it?  

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It would. It would. Although, you know, it's all it's all spoken for and used to play this character off against that character and all that kind of stuff.   But, he this comment that Mark received was from someone who basically thought that this, let's call it this food movement,   has got considerable leverage.   And I think it has, and I think it will be perceived by the other side pretty early on. It's almost as if part of their playbook.   That's why I was just mentioning that stuff from 1381.   They've always been very keen,   you know, with with regards to controlling the diet of people. One of the comments with going back to that thing as well, I'm hopping around a bit here but it's all on the same theme.  

The situation with the Mongols and the Chinese,   and the diet and all that kind of stuff, is that the   the diet that they basically stipulated   for   peasants back then   is the diet that they're stipulating for us. Isn't it?   Yes. Isn't it the same diet that they wanna do? Get us on,   veggies and,   locusts and all this other stuff? I mean, it's literally Question.   Yeah. Paul.  

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Question. That £30,000,000,000   a year, is that gross sales or is that net profit?   Because it's two different things.  

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It might be gross profits. No. It's not sales.   It's not through the roof. It's not It would be 80,000,000 a day. Well, because I don't know how many supermarkets there are. They've each I mean, there are about five main chains. They've all got at least three to 4,000 massive supermarkets. That's 20 Mhmm. It'll be off the charts. They'll be taking  

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up a huge amount every day. Well, I'm of the mind that   the principal problem is not the farmers   or the retail locations,   but it's the middlemen, it's the distributors.   They're the ones that are artificially   inflating prices,   and the supermarkets   are only responding   in any way that they can to survive,   to remain viable. Because I know that US Yeah. Cattle ranchers are not making,   22   a pound for their beef. They're not doing it.   No. But the No. They're not. Middlemen  

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do. They get that. The market maker. Yeah. The market maker. Because it's like with everything that we're looking at, isn't it? Every single field, you know, is the banking model applied to every other area of commerce. It's just spread out. But Weren't we talking last week about in  

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about eliminating   the middlemen,   going farm to table?  

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Mhmm. That's the that's right. This is all about. I I agree. But do you know, there was one animal that saved   this country during World War two from star total starvation, and that was the rabbit.   Because people, especially in the countryside,   you know, they they they were they were shooting rabbits and and and keeping rabbits, and, that actually   stopped this country from going into massive starvation.  

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But that's not gonna happen again.  

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But do you know what they did after do you know what they did? Myxomatosis.   They literally deliberately spread myxomatosis   because they made out that the rabbit population   was killing the crops. Well, why didn't they kill the crops during the, World War two? Isn't that strange?  

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No. They're annihilating   the rabbits,   to eliminate the food source.   All across the Southern US,   there are people with dozens of rabbits that they raised them for food, they raised them as pets, and they came down with this mysterious disease and they died.   And it's absolutely all by design.  

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Yes. I agree with you. I agree with you.   I I think, you know, in a it ticks for me anyway, this sort of   project, for want of a better word, ticks   all the most important boxes   because,   you don't we don't have to get overtly detailed even though I like to and I know we as a sort of communication group like to do that about historical lies and all this kind of stuff. They're important to me, and I like to talk about them. But,   as we've mentioned here before, you you plunge into one of those conversations with the wrong sort of listener, and it doesn't last that very long. And that shouldn't be surprising. It's not going to yet, you know. Maybe as cultures change you find that there's more accommodation but for that kind of talk. But,   because food covers everyone,   you don't we don't have to talk about any sort of threat from the control of it in a direct way, it's it's understood   instinctively, at least I think people's instincts are working still on this level,   that this is really very very important stuff.  

Without a big detailed pitch, it's not a sort of act of persuasion that you have to enter into. By the way, you know, it might be quite good if we eat food.   It's a sort of an asinine conversation now because it's self evident to everybody that's absolutely the case.   So it's it's almost like a soft,   a soft campaign   that carries within it real strength, I feel, simply because of its well, that this is literally vital for life.   I keep thinking about this and maybe I'm just repeating myself but I don't mind.   I don't mind   because it's just a matter of getting across. So as I said if you go to that thing mylittlefarm.com,   I think it's or .co.uk,   they're out in Sussex. Anybody that does a search for it or something like that, I'll I'll stick the link in at halftime.  

It's good that it's all oriented towards that like creating clubs as it were, for want of a better phrase, between   the farmers and the direct purchasers. And it's simply I realized today in me even just going to this butcher's,   because, you know, my instinct was to just walk off down to the supermarket. I thought, I need to personally now start to break a few behavioral habits, and this might be a good place to start. So let's start doing that because we were up at a farm shop the other week getting I got about three dozen eggs, just about finished all those off. So the house is full of steak and eggs   and it's pretty obvious that all the stuff that you were given as a kid or that we were in the sixties is the right stuff to eat.  

You know, we had lots of butter before we switched over to margarine because we're all getting fat margarine because it's an insane thing to put into your body.   So butter, cheese, good full fat milk, plenty of protein in your steak,   and really fresh vegetables. The vegetables is still   a big challenge. We used to have this wonderful greengrocer up the road, and we don't have it anymore. It went under with COVID.   So, you know, although my lads are not particularly interested in vegetables, just meat for everything all the time. And I'm not a guinea. I don't mind. But, I do like a few veggies every now and again.   Really got into sweet potatoes recently. They're quite nice. Oh, yes.  



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I actually you know, meat and veg, I mean, I'm on   this, this diet where,   you fast quite a bit, and, you know, that's a good but I have a great big meal first thing in the morning, the keto diet.   And I have a big meal in the morning, a snack around about 01:00, and that's it. I don't eat anymore until the next day, and I don't feel hungry. Reason why is because I have plenty of protein   and less and hardly any carbohydrates,   if any.   So that's it. It's the carbohydrates that make you hungry because your body is craving for carbs. Whereas when you have protein, your body doesn't crave for carbs.   And that's it, really. You go into a supermarket, what if you got Carbs all around you directly walk through the door. Yes. Everywhere.  



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Not that not that I'm just talking back into the chat here. Going back to the Mongols, by the way, Billy Silver writes that Europeans apparently eventually crushed the Mongols by destroying the Mongols' horses.   They were pretty shit without them.   I bet they were. Wow. Yeah. They're quite yeah. Horses are pretty   pretty important stuff. When Frederick comes on, part of the conversation, I wanna just talk about cowboys and engines in a way as well. I don't know if Frederick wants to but I I do.   I don't know why I should think that we've just got to get Frederick on to talk about cowboys and engines, but a lot of interesting stuff about that as well. Well, I think so, anyway. So Not not that I'm promoting veganism,  

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but there is something.   You're gonna have to, if you're gonna survive what's coming   with all the attacks on the food sources and everything else,   you're going to have to   small scale farm. And I'm talking about maybe within your own house, in your basement,  

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whatever. Mhmm.  

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There's,   there's a   trend   that cattle ranchers are doing,   that they are sprouting   barley   seeds,   and they are growing barley fodder to and their sprouts to three to four inches tall, and they just pull out this whole mat of fodder and they throw it to the cattle and the cattle love it.   Well, you can do other kinds of sprouting. You can do alfalfa sprouts, you can do wheat grass sprouts,   and you can feed those few rabbits you've got in cages in your basement, you know, in between,   you know, multiplying your own herd. Don't let your animals outside, don't don't put them at the mercy of the,   chemtrail skies, the   the depleted ionosphere,   the chemical,   contaminants that are in the soil, just keep them in the house and,  

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well, not the cows of course, you know, but, you know, you'll have to make some concessions. Well, maybe there's gonna be a bit of, sort of, a bit of, a bit of one and a bit of the other because,   I'm just, you know, I'm I guess I'm cosmopolitan   man. Aren't we all really? We've become all urbanized.   You know, my normal sort of day to day purchasing of foodstuffs has been set,   you know, in stone for thirty four years in terms of what I've done. And now I'm starting to think about   growing stuff.   You couldn't have got it through my head before. I mean, because I've literally got no idea   about how much a square yard of land will produce   of a certain crop. I might want to grow potatoes. I mean, you know, I might want to do that. They would be a good thing to do. You can get potato grow bags and apparently they taste way way better.  

So I've got a large garden which I,   is full of trees which need to go. It's slowly getting cleared, very slowly, and I've got I'm slowly building up my appetite to do it. I'm incredibly slow with this stuff because I've got to be sort of galvanized. I don't know what it's like for everybody else, but I have to have a sort of vision of going, right, now I know what I want. And then I'm off.   I'll go really, really fast at things. But when I don't know what to do, I feel like I'm bumbling around. So I have no idea right now what to grow,   how much I would need to grow to feed three or four people   over the course of the year. What and   we've got a lot of other people around us who've got pretty large gardens. So maybe we get a bit of homegrown stuff and then we're going to certain key farmers for meat and butchers and all this kind of stuff. I don't think it really matters what the final thing looks like. In fact, it's difficult to envisage.  

But it's just an attitude of actually saying,   I need to take direct responsibility for my food supply and it looks like at the moment, we've still got a pretty big window in which to do that. So we need to get on before they continue to close that window down, which which seems to me pretty much is kind of a thread through many of the policies that they're seeking to implement and, you know, push on us. Well, try try starting with a keyhole  

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garden.   That's in one corner of your garden. With a keyhole garden, what you do, you have this it's it's a bit difficult to explain.   You can look it up on Google, but you you it it was actually   devised,   by I think it was   British   agriculturalists, and they tried it out in Africa. And what you do, you put all your scraps from, you know, food scraps   in the center of this raised bed,   and, of course, you cover it.   And the idea is that when you your plants will live off the food scraps that are rotting down. So in the summer, you don't have to water your,   crops so much because they're feeding off the moisture that's coming from the food scraps.  

And,   it it works. It it it really does work. And, of course, it it it's you know, it goes in a it's like a cycle.   So,   and the other thing about it is I mean, watering is a pain in the butt anyway.   So not having to water so much unless it's a really, you know, dry   July or whatever,   is a bonus because you can actually leave your plants and they're being self watered, and that is the key whole garden. But the other one is to go upwards to actually grow your plants in troughs going upwards.   And that's what I'm doing up up a wall where I live. So,  

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but Another thing you can do is I think I think there's some slots for you lined up, Eric,   for for Gardening. For the next phase of radio work. Yeah. For gardening and pressure cooker stuff. I I can see us getting back. Paul wouldn't they used to have a really famous radio show. Maybe it's still on, but it was it's Gardener's Question Time. It went on Percy Thrower. Do you remember him back in the century? Percy Thrower. Yes. Yes. I don't remember that. When he walked a plant to the wall. Yeah. And it and it threw, what happened is he's walking the plants and it I think it, burnt out all the microphones that were near the plants.   Sorry. Yeah. So yeah. And I used to like all the readers letters that they would read out. Oh, we got missus Taylor here from Blankenthorpe or whatever. She wants to know blah blah blah blah about her tomatoes, Percy. Alright. And he would go off on a big one. And the knowledge, you think I mean, I remember being young and not paying a blind bit of attention because I just walked into the kitchen, there was food on a plate. Right? And I've gotta go out and kick a football. That's really, really important.  

But,   having that there and it seems to me that this knowledge base absolutely exists. It's just that if we don't hear it, we you kinda get a bit forgetful and go, we've forgotten to do things. Well, I never even knew how to do it anyway. I'm sort of like an urban dope.   And I bet most people, you know, the majority of people Well now fall into that category.  

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The easiest way to start   is actually you can actually grow   things. I, what I do, you buy,   say,   some celery from the supermarket,   and you cut stalks off, and you leak get you keep them at the root, and you clean the root up, stick it in a jam jar of water for about a week, and little roots start to grow. And then you pot it, put it in a south facing window, and you'll have the most gorgeous tasting celery you could ever wish to have. Organic.   And it's grown, and you just keep cutting the cutting the stalks, and it keeps on growing. And so you don't have to buy celery from the supermarket.   So I've got that in my greenhouse.  

So there we are. I've just got to do it. Yeah.  

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Mhmm. I love it. I've got a   Yeah. If you don't like watering your garden excuse me in just a second. Another thing you can do if you don't like watering your garden, you could do what the Aztecs did, and you can do what they did in the rainforest,   is use,   like, a one or two inch layer of,   bio carbon.   It's like a biochar,   but it's been   reduced to its its carbon footprint,   and, like, a teaspoon has, like, the surface area and the moisture   absorbent,   capacity of, like, an acre. It's just absolutely   incredible.   And you mix that in with your top inch or inch and a half or two inches of topsoil,   what it'll do is it will grab all the water that it can,   it will protect the soil underneath from evaporation,   and it will actually   draw nutrients from deep below   the soil   up to where the roots of your plants can make use of it. I mean, the, the rainforests,   the   rainforests are they're lush and they're green and and everything's all wonderful and beautiful and there's lots of moisture in the plants but   the soil is horrible.  

So   what they did was they added biochar to it and they made a Preta,   something Preta soil.  

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And Right. Yeah.  

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It's and soils that have been around for a thousand years   are still   black, rich, and soft, and,   still growing things. It's   it's really something. What is it? It's a Preta   Garden. So,   search Google for thing? Rainforest   Preta, P R E T A.  

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And then welcome survival Steve. Sorry. I didn't mean to talk over you there. Sorry sorry, Paul. But survival Steve,   he goes into the woods and that, and he if you got a book called   Food for Free,   and,   it's printed about 1972   or '73,   and and that actually tells you what you can eat.   And for example,   the best, the easiest is the dandelion. You can eat that all year round. You can actually eat the root as well. Yes. And they're very it's very, very good for you. That's a vitamin c. But you can also eat,   all varieties of thistle, Provide what you do, you you get all the, you know, prickly bits off,   and you eat the roots.  

I sorry. The stems.   And, oh, it's quite incredible. It tastes like shit. That's right. And and the other one is nettles   because that's the thing. That's   great. Once you pick nettles,   you put them in the hot boiling water, and it's   it's more nutritious than cabbage, and the sting goes immediately put it in boiling water. So you can actually eat eat nettles like greens.   There's all kinds of things you can eat.   Planting, not the banana type planting, but planting   that,   you chew, and if you cut yourself you put the planting on the cut and it'll help to heal your cut. It's all things that you can eat in the forest, but the thing I avoid   is mushrooms because I don't know enough about them. I don't wanna kill myself. So I avoid them like the plague even though very few of them are poisonous. I still wouldn't trance it. I don't think it's worth it. And also some berries.  

The other one   is cow parsley because it can look like hemlock,   and hemlock is very, very similar. So avoid that as well.   So little word of warning there. Tara  

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Eric. Eric. I I really can see me   I can see me,   in my waistcoat with my pipe in a few months' time listening to you listening to you. Right? Yes. Doing   either the pressure cooker spot or the gardening thing, you know, ask Eric ask Eric some gardening questions. We're we're probably gonna find some people that really do know what they're talking about, I suppose, about that. And I'm so I'm not saying that you don't. But this whole thing,   it's kinda good in a way because it's it's I know it's a bit I hate using this thing, but it's an in real life thing, isn't it? We're we're obviously talking a lot about ideas and history and and current affairs here   and, the mangled history particularly and therefore the mangled current affairs. But to actually just do a few things that are practical,   I always get refreshed. I've just been,   all exciting stuff this first hour, isn't it everybody? But,   I've just been I've been sweeping my street,   outside of my sort of garden fence for the last couple of days. I've got tons of all this leaf stuff that falls down.  

And as I'm slowly tidying the house up, two things are happening. First of all, I'm quite happy with the bits that I've tidied. I've noticed my energy's going up. I'm thinking this is good. It's gonna spread to everything else. But then I look at the rest of it that's that's not good and I get really miserable.   Somebody rocked up at the house today and I looked at the front of the garage where all the paint's flaking   off and I went   anyway, that's for the spring. We're gonna I'll I'll not I'll try not to look at it a bit, but there's just   it it puts human energy up in all sorts of ways and I think that we need as much of this as we can get. So I'm quite looking forward to your little your little spots on all of this, Eric. I think it'll be really Well, I'm hope really rather good. I'm hoping to start a channel soon called Frugal Tips.  



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Sounds rude. And I've been brought up very frugally,   so, you know, I don't waste money on my tight fisted git, And to show people how to save money and how they can live quite cheaply,   being a tight fisted git. You know? No. Seriously.   It's surprising.   What what you can do,   I I mean, I was brought up to repair things, make my own, and sometimes you can make your own better than what you can buy.   And food, cook everything from sauce. If it's got ingredients,   don't touch it.   Yep. Because it's not the ingredients you want.   I don't I do   wander a little bit. You know? I sometimes buy,   black pudding, which does have ingredients, but it's all the good ingredients.  

But I wouldn't touch anything else. I think you gotta cook all food nowadays from sauce,   to be sure what you're eating.  

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Yeah. Hey, guys. Yeah. Because   Very quickly, before the top of the hour,   terra preta is the soil I was talking about. It's characterized by the presence of low temperature charcoal residues in high concentrations   of high   quality high quantities   of tiny pottery shards   of organic matter such as plant residues, animal feces, fish, and animal bones,   and other material   and of nutrients such as nitrogen, phosphorus, calcium, zinc, and manganese.   Fertile soils such as terra preta show high levels of micro organic activities   and other specific characteristics   within particular ecosystems.  

Terra Preta soils   were created by farming communities between four fifty BCE and nine fifty   CE.   Soil depths can reach two meters.   It is reported to regenerate   itself   at a rate of one centimeter   per year.   So it just keeps getting better.   Terra Preta, look it up.  

[00:57:40] Unknown:

Interesting.   Yep.   Yeah. It's,   it's it's kind of weird isn't it really? Being sort of reintroduced back to the basics of life because we need to be right now.   I guess it's gonna come home to everybody that the the sort of veneer, the glue that's holding supposedly civilization together   is very, very thin.   And taking charge of your own affairs in this realm in in the area of providing yourself and your family with food,   which is basically supposedly a masculine instinct that we've all been sort of trained out of by, you know, moving into business and the industrial thing and all this that and the other. It is gonna have to come back. I mean, it is coming back.   So, I mean, it's not gonna be as hard as it was in the past, we hope.  

There's so many good voices out there.   Yes. I I would love it would be great to get Clarkson involved in this space. It it really would. Anyway, he's a bit, you know, he's above our pay grade, I think. But,   nevertheless,   he's, I think as Mark said he's done more for farming in terms of introducing people to the realities of it. And another point as well is just that word real.   Where the other side is dealing with a kind of false world   And I think when you   see what farmers do and have to do, because it's,   it's a very earthy   lifestyle, isn't it? Let's put it that way. It's earthy. You're in touch with life at its beginning, at its end, all this kind of stuff.  

You're introduced, you know, I I often think I should have been taken to slaughterhouses and stuff when I was a kid to see what it's all about. I know that Gordon Ramsay,   the cook, you know, the big sweary cook,   I think they had turkeys at home and then when they were slaughtered, his children saw that. He wanted he wanted them to know   the whole of the food process, and I think we need to know it. I mean, I think, you know, I'm a wimp when it comes to this stuff in real terms. I'm sure you lose your wimpishness from being exposed to it, but no one would actively choose it.   But it's   I think you need it in your arsenal of emotional resilience. You you need to be able to cope with that kind of stuff because   if life becomes physically tougher, and I'm not sort of trying to scaremonger anybody here, but historically if you look at it, they they haven't sort of balked at the idea of making our plight much much worse, have they? Ever. They've never really balked at that. So the more resilient we can become in this area, the better. Anyway, we're at the end of the first hour.  

After this break, we're gonna be joined by, Frederick Blackburn, Blackburn nine from Blackjack Mountain. He might even be on the mountain today. I don't really know.   He might be talking about he talks about fourth generation   warfare. He might even be talking about fifth generation   warfare. But before before fourth of anything, there was the third of something. So here's a bit of music from a a great film,   which is The Third Man. We're gonna play this. It's a bit of zither music for you. Okay? So you've got to imagine that in the war yeah. The war torn streets of Vienna after the war, it's all dark. It's all shot in a film noir thing. It's one of the greatest films ever made, top sort of 10 or 20 for me. Anyway, it's a brilliant film.   And, we're gonna listen to this and then we're gonna be joined by Frederic after the break. You're listening to Paul English Live here on WBN   three twenty four. Take it away,   Anton Karass and the Zither.  



[01:04:52] Unknown:

It is my opinion that you do not really understand the concept of banking.   All the banks are broke.   Bank Santander,   Deutsche Bank, Royal Bank of Scotland, they're all broke. And why are they broke? It isn't an act of God. It isn't some sort of tsunami.   They're broke because we have a system called fractional reserve banking, which means that banks can lend money that they don't actually have.   It's a criminal scandal and it's been going on for too long. To add to that problem,   you have moral hazard, a very significant moral hazard from the political sphere.   And most of the problem starts in politics   and central banks, which are part of the same political   system.  

We have counterfeiting,   sometimes called quantitative easing, but counterfeiting by any any other name. The artificial printing of money,   which if any ordinary person did, they'd go to prison for a very long time. And yet governments and   central banks do it all the time.   Central banks repress the amount of interest that rate rates are, so we don't have the real cost of money, and yet we blame the real retail banks   for manipulating   LIBOR.   The sheer effrontery of this is quite astonishing. It's central banks. It's central banks that manipulate   interest rates, commissioner.  

And plus, underneath all this, we talk loosely in a rather cavalier fashion, do we not,   about deposit guarantees.   So when banks go broke through their own incompetence   and chicanery,   the taxpayer picks up the tab. It's theft from the taxpayer.   And until we start sending bankers, and I include central bankers and politicians to prison for this outrage, it will continue.  

[01:06:45] Unknown:

Send them all to prison. One man who is not a banker,   is Frederick Blackburn. Frederick, hello. Welcome to the show. How are things with you on Blackjack Mountain today?  

[01:06:56] Unknown:

Greetings, good sir. Happy Thursday.   Absolutely   brilliant first hour. I was sitting here going, taking notes. I was like, oh, this is a great conversation,   can't wait, just a dark conversation.   And then you played the third man, and I'm like, oh, Graham Greene, that's a good   dark image here. And I remember,   speaking of food stuff, I remember the first time I got to go to The UK and go to Brighton Pier   and actually get Brighton Rock   because that was one of my favorite Graham Greene   novels. Yeah. It was like the, you know, the first purchase of real Brighton Rock. It's like, oh, so that's what it is. Okay.   So  

[01:07:36] Unknown:

You still got some teeth left, have you? Yeah. You still got some teeth left. Talk about hard candy.  

[01:07:41] Unknown:

The Third Man   the third man is by far one of my favorite film, and that theme just does it right, doesn't it? Yes. Fantastic.   Thanks for playing that, Paul. It's brilliant. I I was in Gaga land as it was as it's playing.  

[01:07:55] Unknown:

Yeah. If you've not seen the movie, you can't run it in your head. But if you hear that moon if you hear that music, the movie starts running in your head, doesn't it? Yeah. It just starts it kicks off. It's absolutely   it's one of the best shot films ever in terms of these camera angles. They use tilted cameras and all this kind of stuff, which we take for granted now whenever they use them. But, the fact that it's in black and white just makes it even better. It's just and it's got that really hard contrast look all the way through it. And it's a great story. It's really absolutely fab. The now who's the name of the director? I can't remember his name. It's just Grant. Carol, is it? Carol. You don't know the director of the film. Oh. He he that theme music,   they didn't have it in place before they shot the film.  

But while he was in Vienna, he heard Anton Karas   playing it in a cafe. He's out for a coffee.   So he goes up to him and he gets his name and they brought him back and recorded it. And he said, that's it. We're having this. And there was apparently a bit of resistance to it because they wanted to make a sort of more overt spy movie, but it's it's not about that. It's   it's got an edge to it. And it's, and Graham Greene's really quite if you're anybody that's not read Graham I read Brighton Rock when I was about 20,   Frederick, and it's it's a pretty gritty sort of story. He's just a great writer. It's, you know, about this spiv, Pinky, out on the Brighton Racetracks. Horrible little creature. Horrible little horrible creature. Yeah.  



[01:09:16] Unknown:

Yeah. And it was Sir Carroll Read who did, the directing.   And he also did Oliver in '68, and the third man in '49, the fallen idol in '48, and the odd man out in '47.  

[01:09:30] Unknown:

And do you know the third man I'm a film buff, are you? You're not a film buff, are you? Used to be.  

[01:09:36] Unknown:

When they make good films. Yeah. You know, they haven't gone to the cinema in years, appear like, You know? It was gonna be filmed in the East End Of London, and actually decided to go to Vienna instead.   And,   what is it?   Oh, a chap Howard,   what's his name? Who was in it?   I can't think it was now. Leslie Howard. Leslie Howard. Yes. He actually,   because   when they filmed it,   it was Vienna still was,   heavily militarized.   And whilst he was in his setting, you know, well, obviously, he was made up in the military uniform. We went down   to the local restaurant and had a meal, and, he was arrested   because he had military uniform on. He shouldn't have done. And, yeah, the military police caught caught up with him, and he was arrested. Yeah.  

And,   but the   they did Trevor Howard, by the way, not Leslie. I got my I got my Howards mixed up. I always got metered up. Yes. Trevor Howard. But, the other thing is that they did a, an advert in the nineteen eighties that was shot in black and white,   and there was no one around that knew how to do the,   lighting for black and white. And they found that there was one old chap still around who was on   that film who was a lighting engineer, and they got him to do it. And whilst whilst he's setting the lighting up, everything looked awful. And the, you know, people look in his way, I just have to say, do you know what he's doing? And it absolutely looked terrible. And when they filmed it and when it came out, it was perfect.   He knew what he was doing. Yeah. But at the time, it looked awful, you know, and it's it's amazing.  

But those skills have gone. I mean, the when you look at No. Don't say it. Don't say it, Eric. They  

[01:11:20] Unknown:

they haven't. It's script writing skills that have gone. That that's the problem. And they probably haven't   gone. They've just changed the nature of   I don't know. I don't know what to say about it really. It was lovely. The event of going to the cinema to see a good film was really a bit of a buzz. I remember it being a highlight every now and again. I mean, you you look back on these things and many of them are lame, I suppose, but,   also there's some fantastic stuff. There's a really and it's just stories. It's the quality of stories that I think has has sort of gone down. Most of the good storytelling seems to take place in these sort of multi episode TV series where they've got a much higher budget and they do things, can tell a story over a much longer period if you've got the time to watch all this stuff. I frankly don't. I don't wanna get into these things. They sort of take over people's lives. What is it? Binge watching?   Good grief. I haven't got time for any of that. Did you know the sewer scenes,  

[01:12:11] Unknown:

it was a body double   that acted the part of Orson Welles because Orson Welles refused   to act down the sewer. And the last scene where he was,   sort of trying to get get out that grating, that was actually done in, I think it's Pinewood or no. It's done in Britain. It's done in London, I think. Mhmm. And they they had so all the scenes that you see him down the sewer were actually done in a studio.   The other scenes where you see him running away, that was a body double. He said that he would refuse to do it because he was filming it down a sewer. And he and he said, no. I'm not doing it. I don't blame him.  

[01:12:48] Unknown:

Yeah. A quick,   a quick just acknowledgment to that little clip I played afterwards. I've played it before and I'll play it again, because it's a classic. It's from 2014. That was Godfrey Bloom   banging on at the European doodads, you know.   We don't hear enough of that stuff at all. In fact, we never heard it at all   on mainstream media when it when it was actually made back in 2014.   It's just one of these clips that we gotta keep. But Frederick, I was just wondering, how are things   how have things been for you recently? I mean, it's a a month or a few weeks since we last spoke.   Maybe I appeared on your show since then, which was a lot of fun. Yes. You did. And We,  

[01:13:28] Unknown:

used that show for our Thanksgiving.   We had Thanksgiving over here on the side of the pond last week. Yep. And the RBN gave us the weekend off and they asked me which show I'd like to do as an encore, and so I chose the one we did about Tales from the Fire, where we were talking about our mythologies   and our symbolism of our folk tales and how important that is.   And,   got all these new listeners,   from that show that they thought it was live  

[01:13:57] Unknown:

and it's like, what a great show. And it's like, oh, good. Because everybody liked it the first time too. Well, you're a man of impeccable taste, Frederic, and this is why I invite him on everybody so that he can say nice things about the shows that we do together. It was a lot of fun that though. It it was a lot of fun. Yeah.  

[01:14:14] Unknown:

And I enjoy hanging out with men who could appreciate a good solid   steel pressure cooker   and how to use it. That is a that is a force multiplier.  

[01:14:26] Unknown:

It is.  

[01:14:27] Unknown:

Knowing how to use a pressure cooker without blowing yourself up is a skill.  

[01:14:32] Unknown:

I I think from a communications point of view, we need to make the show like a communications pressure cooker. You're idiots, and you're being boiled slowly over three hours, and we're gonna keep the temperature rising and all that kind of stuff. But yeah. No. The mythology stuff, we were talking about the mythology things. Were we talking about Grimm's fairy tales? I've mentioned it sort of passing a few times here. I think we were, weren't we? Right. Because you had just bought the new folio of a really nice book of the collection.   Yeah. It is. I was pouring it today. I'm am I a book nerd? I am. I've turned into a book nerd again, and I'm really glad of it recently. So, I've been that publisher, I just can't stop buying their books. I got two more arrived last week. One was,   what was the last one that that rocked up? Oh,   Bullfinch's   Mythology.  

Have you heard of that? Yes.   That's a great one. One of your guys from I forgot where he was born. Connecticut? I maybe not there, but he was yeah. This is the eighteen hundreds. It's pretty good. It's,   Bullfinch's mythology.   Used to be standard text on both sides of the Atlantic, late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, as a general introduction   to ancient Greek and Roman mythologies.   And I like looking at this stuff because you see the roots of the stories   that our people have told to one another down through the ages.   And I'm kinda keen that in some way they get revived a bit, I suppose. I don't know quite what I mean by that. But,  

[01:15:53] Unknown:

you know, that that's Stories are important because they teach you how to deal with things.   Yes. Like dealing with people that cut off your food supply.  

[01:16:02] Unknown:

Yeah. I don't know. There's gotta be some Grimms. Maybe there's a Grimms fairy tales about that. Once upon a time, there was a village and all the food had run out. Yeah. Why did Hans and Gretel's parrots need to take them to the woods? Because there was no food. Why did they have to do that?   Yeah.   That's true. And who had our food? Is what Hansel and Gretel's about, isn't it? That Hansel and Gretel thing is absolutely about that, about because they were they were facing food crises repeatedly because of I guess, things were much more tenuous. I don't know what the storage of food system was like back then in the late seventeen hundreds, which is when the Grimms started compiling all that stuff. I think it's from, like, 1790   through to about 1850.  

I think that that's when they died, the eighteen fifties. But  

[01:16:45] Unknown:

life does stories.   That's the thing, those stories   go back   forever. That's the whole point of, you know, Carl Jung's work on, you know, these are archetypes, you know. Yes, we wrote these folk tales down on this date, but people have been telling that same story   since, you know, we were in the ice age caves and such, but, you know, that's what's amazing. But,   yeah, the peasant revolt,   you know, and just how bad things were,   you know, because you just came out of the great famine and you had   the plague and everything else,   and you had just the millions of people were dying of sickness and starving to death, and that was just all over.  

And, you know, the church was split   at the time, and,   so, yeah, that was an interesting   theme for today's show, the peasant revolt of thirteen eighty one.  

[01:17:42] Unknown:

Yeah. It is. Well, I, you know, I think I think it's it is really time for peasant's revolt two point o.   I think it's taking place. It's slowly building up,   because   not in a kind of detailed way just in a general mood sense. This is   well this is my perception at the moment. We'll see how it goes. Right? But I get this fit. More and more people are beginning to   to wake up to basics. And and this is pretty good. I've never really thought of it before. You know, you spend years   looking at detailed lies from history   and thinking that that might gain traction. And it does to a to a certain degree, but you end up, I suppose, kind of with a specialized type of audience, which is great if you're into this stuff. And we all need our little sort of cubbyholes,   to sort of work around in. I do anyway, and I I think it's probably similar for many other people. You know, you've got your own particular passions and pursuits   and you need to be in a sort of peer group that supports that. It's very very important on all sorts of levels. But we've got this this thing that's reaching far and wide. And   as I said, you know, back then 1381,   I don't know what it'd be like. I've never lived in a place where 50% of the population died. Right. I mean, it'd be be like sort of over the next seven or eight years, you know, kind of we wake up to some of them say, well, England's population is now 32,000,000.  

It's not 68,000,000 anymore, really.   You can't even envisage it, I suppose, now. We can't because of the systems, apparently, that are in place that are going to keep supporting us. But we see that they're chewing out the substance of those as well, and I think,   alarm bells,   at last are going off with a lot of people. At least that's that's a feeling. I mean,   what's it like over there? Are they   are they, Paul mentioned earlier that beef farmers are not making a big profit on beef, but are they having a go? I I read things every now and again,   and I know your situation with the land in and around you.  

You mentioned it, I think, before. Is how's that situation going? What's what's the is there a latest on that?  

[01:19:42] Unknown:

Well, you know, the saga of BB nine and Atma. When BB nine met Atma,   and at the time, her family still owned the lion's share of this mountain valley, and   her family farm   was like my family farm down in neighboring Wilkes County in the Foothills. This is the high country.   I'm from the Foothills, and she's a Highlander girl.  

[01:20:07] Unknown:

But,  

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you know, we had a 100 acre farm that was a beef production farm and   my grandfather,   who I'm named after Fred, Frederick,   he and as a young man, ran off to Detroit   to, with his buddy, Dewey,   and   learned how to build tractors and trucks and cars from Henry Ford and learned all about   the modern,   way of doing things, the industrial line, and came back to Wilkes County and set up with my grandmother,   some of the very first   high capacity   modern chicken houses,   because up to that point,   you know, you had yard birds,   and everybody just had a few dozen,   and you really didn't have the big commercial   chicken houses like you have today,   and that are just completely automated. You look at what Tyson does, and it's just criminal, we call it Frankenfood, but   the ones that they designed   were very   nice   structures. The chickens had plenty of room and everything,   and had I was the feeder, I would get off the school bus and go feed the chickens in the afternoon   and then walk across the bottom to   my family's   farmhouse, right,   and then we had the beef cattle, and it was completely   self sustained, and my father always stressed, and my mother, who were depressionary   babies, and if you think of the great American Depression, it was basically the Holodomor for North America.  

You know, it was the same strategy. They just used different marketing, but yeah, so they grew up poor, peasants,   in these Appalachian Mountains during the Great Depression, and they survived,   you know, from what they could grow, what they could catch,   you know, and   that there was no grocery store to go to, and even if you did, you had no money to go to the grocery store with. So, you know, they grew up in that kind of family farm, but it was independent. That was just a way of life, you know. So the people in the Appalachian Mountains really didn't notice   the Holodomor   because they were just living off the land   like usual,   and that was the whole thing, living off the land, living with the land, that whole thing of mountain craft is, you know, learning all the edible plants in the forest and which animals you could hunt and how to kill a deer   and dress a deer and how to put up and preserve   food and one of the biggest things was learning how to use that pressure cooker to can food so you would have green beans the year round, not just when they were in season.  

So   you know, I feel   that, you know, well, getting back to the story, we had these,   you know, two sustainable   farms that were in sore neglect because my family,   you know, both families have basically gotten out of it because there's no money, and all the kids wanted to do something else where they would make more money than working on the family farm. So that whole   boomer generation   left the farm to go to work, and then they bought their food at the grocery store,   you know, so they didn't have to eat country stuff. They have the nice things at the grocery store, and   you know, when I came back around 2007   up here and met OTMA   and, you know, it was like,   so what do you think is gonna happen with the great reset of 2030?  

And yeah, would it be nice to have our own food and put these farms back in production? So that's what we tried to sell   our families on,   but with   land prices here,   yeah, this is now peak vacation   area,   yeah, tourist area,   and we've been completely gentrified.   We have genuine Rockefellers,   Rockefeller demon spawn, that Wow, look at you. Yeah, they just invaded this Mountain Valley with values, you know, bags of money and just forced buying everyone out,   and   saw what we were doing, and it's like, oh, we gotta shut that foolishness down,   and so they just put all these incredible restrictions   on us with the land that we used to have access to.  

They took all the good gardens that we had back in production, we had the canning going and all the food preservation,   and we were teaching   the next generation,   you know, the 20 that are just now having babies   how to do all the old skills that they didn't learn anymore,   and they, but they were wanting to learn. But unfortunately,   the siblings that had   seniority and executive privilege and all that   cited that it was much better to sell their portion of the family farms   and just get that big wad of cash   that's probably not gonna be worth anything with this hyperinflation   cycle in ten years, right? That's the thing is, you know, oh, it may look like I'm sucking money now for the land,   but you're not gonna be able to eat it, and it's gonna be like Wymore conditions, right? So,   we're left basically landlocked   in on both farms, and like I said, we lost all the good parts of the land, you know. I'm up on the rock face,   moss grows where we are, that's about it, moss and rhododendron.  

And so we're on the north face of this mountain, Blackjack Mountain,   and down in Wilkes, the part of the land that I got is basically   45 acres of sawbriars, copperheads,   and coyotes.   And so we've   recently,   over Christmas, or this Thanksgiving season,   splurged and had a road cut into the land down there. That was my Christmas present, so we can actually get   access to the land and we're trying to salvage the whole project,   at this point, but you know, that's, it's been twenty years of just setback, setback, setback, and we're like, you know, you guys kinda should be listening to what we're trying to tell you because you might wanna be growing and preserving your own food and keeping the family together.   But anyway, so that's kind of my story, I didn't go on, but, yeah, that's it. But everything you said in first hour is just spot on at so many levels about   learning that independence   of the farm. And   when it comes to food supply, you're either a have or you're a have not, and what is the famous saying, there are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy?  

That was in 1906   by Alfred Henry Lewis,   and,   and so here in these Appalachian Mountains now, you don't have the pleasant peasants   that are all going to the same church, they all went to the same school, they,   you know they grew up together. Now you have that heritage   Appalachian   core group that is now   rapidly being replaced by   third world   people that have no connection to this land, you know, and have no desire to learn farming and stuff, but they are going to become very aggressive when the grocery stores say there's no more food, you know, and so, well, how are they going to treat the locals when they're hungry   and the locals have food? So that's just my concern.  



[01:27:59] Unknown:

Yeah. It's a very   real concern, isn't it? It's okay when everything's   that quote,  

[01:28:06] Unknown:

who said it again? That was Alfred Henry Lewis   nineteen o six Cosmopolitan   magazine of all places.  

[01:28:13] Unknown:

Okay. I couldn't remember who said it, but I read it only the other day. We're only nine meals away from anarchy and you go, hang on. So I went off for a walk and I'm going oh yeah, oh that's true.   It's that's really true. It's it's absolutely true. So,   we're all we're all about to gain green fingers possibly whether we like it or not.   It's you know, our our sort of indoctrination into the urban life.   The more you we look I look into it here as well. You see this whole pattern.   It doesn't really begin with the Peasants Revolt, but it does begin   really over here in the sort of seventeen hundreds and then the the seizure of the commons,   the taking away of all this common grazing land, which the the peasants of England used to use for their sheep and everything. All worked really rather well. And, of course, people step in. Gates is the latest equivalent   of all of this, although I don't know what he's doing recently. He keeps on going back on things, and now there's no climate change or something. So,   not that I look to him for   as a font of wisdom about   anything, really, certainly not computer operating systems even though I have to use the damn thing. But,   nothing is new under the sun.  

Isn't that the case? It just appears that nothing is new at all.   The use of this sort of really vital part of our lives has always been a weapon that they go to. We we had a quote from this guy.   I don't have it in my player. I need to get it in there, actually.   I've forgotten his name now. You remember it, Eric. That,   he was the guy that worked with Tony Blair, muck something or other. Oh, gosh. And when it was on, I used that German word, five fifty six. You know the one I'm talking about? Yeah. I know the one I know the one you mean. I can't I can see his face but I can't put it Yeah. Yeah. I can see it as well. And my fist is clenching as I'm seeing it metaphorically in my head because Yes. Backfiefengesicht,   people will now know that round here because we use it a lot. It's a face in need of a fist. It's a great German word. There's a face in need of a fist, and he's got one. And he was on GB News.  

I'll I'll play you the clip one day, Frederick, when you're next round because I'll I'll make sure I get it into the hopper. But,   it's about a minute long and he's talking to this guy at GB News, been interviewed. And they're talking about farmers and small farmers because they've been   passing all sorts of hideous things to destroy farms. That's really what they're doing. This is what Mark's talking about. And one of them is, an escalation of inheritance tax or making it applicable to farms that were not   within   the sites of the inheritance tax. And it's gonna destroy a lot of family farms over here. It's already beginning to do that even though they could go and set up trusts and everything.  

It's,   it's gonna be a step too far for many of them, particularly tenant farmers, which we have over here and stuff like this. So it's a problem. It's a real problem. In this interview, anyway,   he says to the interview, he said, well, he said, we don't need these small farmers. This is immediately. That was the first clenching of my fist. You just go, what?   Yeah. We don't need he said we should do to these farmers what he says this. He says we should do to these farmers what Margaret Thatcher did to the miners.   Now you if you don't know, she destroyed the mining industry, basically. There was a big fight, sort of an industrial fight here in the eighties,   with the conservative government against the miners. And it was part of a process where they they kinda smashed up many of the what you would call masculine industries. Mining, they they had a go. They destroyed the docks in the East End Of London, got rid of the Dockers, and had a go at them.  

The,   the reason they gave, and there is some truth in this, is that the unions for these places were being headed up by Marxists, which they were.   Right? They were. And they got too much power and got too big for the boots. But you could no doubt there's an even a plan before that. Let's get those Marxists and then we've got a reason then we can do it and we destroy   the community base for many of these people.   And,   I don't know who are we talking was this on a show recently? I live near a place I grew up near a place called Selby. There's a massive coal field there.   And,   in fact, this coal field still exists to this day. It's enormous. It's absolutely colossal.  

The coal in Wales,   would keep this nation going for 400, although everybody can't we can't burn coal anymore. No. But the Chinese can. So so that's okay. But there's another there's another field in Selby that's just as big. It goes right out into the North Sea. It's absolutely massive this thing and it would keep us going for another four hundred. So,   you know, all of this blather that we get about the energy thing, they're all covers effectively, it seems to me, you know, or a common thread is always to suppress the welfare of the peasants   in some way or to make them keep them in a condition of reliance and therefore controllability   on their masters. This attitude, you know, that was prevalent in England back in the time of the Peasants Revolt has never really gone away. It's morphed, it's shifted, it's changed its clothing, it looks nicer, it gets a better coverage on the news. But the core attitude is that there's absolutely a separation between them and us. I'm quite glad of it, frankly. I'm glad I'm not one of them. They're probably very glad that they're not one of us. It's just that, you know, they don't behave very well, do they? That's my take on it. They don't behave very well towards us at all.  

And this guy, as I said, that the interviewer the GB interviewer said literally said something like, this has just gone very weird. I mean he looked absolutely appalled at what this guy had said rightly so. This has gone very weird. What's the point of talking to you? You're a maniac.   And he is.   And you've mentioned Eric several times these city dwellers have got a completely disconnected view of life. And we're kind of half and half, aren't we? We've kind   view of life. And we're kind of half and half, aren't we? We've kind of I've still got a sense of the land because I grew up next to a lot of farmland. And by next, I mean 30 yards away from my house. Yeah. And I used to run through cows and run through cow pats and everything. And I had a lot of fun as a kid during those wild and free days in the in the late sixties and right through to the mid seventies where I was just let loose and could just go anywhere I liked and go catching newts with a net and just be out all day and avoiding cows and getting chased by them. And it's all very exciting   stuff. So I have a sense of the farm.  

Who was the farmer? Farmer Chapman. Doug, go up there. Chapman will shoot you. That was the he had a shotgun, you know, you'd hear him. That's what we thought, you know, we thought, Doug, up there. We got and play in the hay barn and it was so exciting because we thought we were getting, he's coming, he's coming, you know. We'd all be hiding in all these hay bales and stuff. It's absolutely brilliant fun.   And so I feel kind of half and half. I've got a sense of the country.   I mean, it was up my nostrils for most of my   youth as I run my bike around Yorkshire. I mean, you know, wow. Some very,   what did my mum say? That'll give you an appetite for your tea. It bloody did.  

I'll tell you. It really gets up, you know. So I've got a sense of that. I'm not a complete city dweller, but I've spent so long in cities since the mid eighties   that there's that aspect as well. They are entirely city dwellers and are totally cut off from us. They they really are, you know. They  

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they live in a completely different world, and they always live in the most vile parts of the the city.   You know, the most,   depressing,   treeless areas. They just do not like nature. Mhmm. And they don't understand Yeah. Farming folk, and that is communism right the way through. Look at every communist,   including Cuba, every communist country has gone for the farmers  

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and has ended up in mass starvation. Oh, by the way, someone's just said, I think it's Billy Silver said, Blair's sidekick, Alastair Campbell. No. I don't think it was him. It was another bloke, wasn't it? It's a muck something or other. He's got one of those. He's muck something or he's not Scottish, I don't think. I think he's born and raised in London. But He's a mental case. Absolute mental case. He is. Yeah. He is. And and I know we say I'll say we say that these people are mentally ill not as a term of abuse but as a technically accurate description. Yeah. They are ill. They  

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are very ill. And,   you you know, again,   history repeating itself time and time again. But looking on the bright side, I mean   well, first of all, look on the negative side. Mao wiped out most of the farmers, and mass starvation   happened. Stalin did the same,   but farming   bounced back.   And I think we will bounce back. We've got to bounce back.   And,   as I've said time and time again, we ignore government. Totally ignore them. And we've got strength in numbers to ignore them. They're brutal, nasty people that are not working on our behalf. And any government minister that stands up and says they are, are talking out their backside   because   government is there to,   their job is to rob us, to pay the usury scam,   and finish them off finish us off early   and keep the population down.  

That's it. And,   oh, hang on a minute. Patrick's come up with an answer.   John McTernan.  

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That was the man. Fantastic. Thank you, Patrick. I'll bring you in after the break.   Yeah. He's got the quote from him. John McTernan. Thank you very much, Patrick. Brilliant.   Yes. We don't need small farmers.   Right? We can do to the farmers what Thatcher did to the miners.   It's an industry we could do without. Now I like to do this thing called reverse headlines. Right? So let's just take what he said and we just spin it around the other way. We don't need government. We can do to the government what Margaret Thatcher did to the miners.  

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I I prefer that quote. What do you think? You think it's better? I think that's better. I think we need government like an elephant needs a hang glider.  

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Yep.   One of the things that's interesting, I don't know if you've not do you go to x or Twitter or whatever, Frederic Much? Do you do you hang out there and comb things over?  

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Yes.   I just noticed that   I have once again been unfollowed by your account, and I followed you again. I find this   often where I know I follow someone,   and then I go to look at their account or whatever, and I'm in an unfollow state again. And it's like, I know I was following them, so that's curious.   But, yeah, basically, I hang out on X and Gab and,   Skype   slash Teams.   That's that's my social media, I guess. And then, of course, the Trading Post chat room, which is the best place ever.  

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Of course. What is that? Let everybody know. What is the Trading Post chat room and where do they find it? It's come out to bb9tradingpost.chtango.com.  

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Bb9tradingpost.chitango.com.   For the hottest news, the dankest memes, and the best tips on independent living, come out to bb9tradingpost.chitango.com.   The sun never sets on the North Cackalacky Trading Post, but if you're looking for a knife fight, we'd just as soon you go somewhere else.  

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Hey. Can I get you to do some station IDs and some jingles? That was cool. Yeah. That was really good. I did like that. Not like I did that every time. Of American radio then. That was brilliant.   Yes.  

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I I like I like what This is cool.   I I used to a lot of Kenny Everett said. He said, this is the station with the biggest tits.   Hits. You know? Sorry. Hits. Yes.  

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Hits. Yes. Well, there was that one that Benny Hill used to say. And now coming up next, it's Roy Orbison's musical bum and the voice after the it goes music album. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Music album.   I like all that cheesy stuff. It's really good. Actually, I heard a good one today. There's a there used to be,   a TV personality over here called Annika Rice. Yes. Right? And there's the famous,   flamboyant   Wafter of the seventies and eighties, Quintin Crisp, and he goes if Annika Rice   married Quintin Crisp, would they have Rice Krispies?   I quite like that. It's a dad joke. I get it's a dad joke. You've got to tell them. Right? It's a dad joke. It's a dad joke. Oh, quick shout out to Will, to Will who's, joined us from,   heard he hears me every now and again over on Rhea's show. Will, great to have you in. Fantastic. I'm on with Rhea again this Sunday actually.  

I think it is this Sunday. Yeah, it is. It's every couple of weeks. So fantastic to have you, Will,   and great for hopping on over and plugging in.   Yeah. Where were we? I do things like that. I lose my train of thought. It's not difficult for me these days. Is that a sign? Might be a sign.   But yeah, so that that guy, I I don't like him very much and we'll have to get the clip and play it so that you can all throw up and get cross again and everything, but,   it is a sign of a it's a gulf. I don't think it's bridgeable at all. I know what I was gonna say about X. I know. I've just remind reminded myself.   I'm in there floating around. Actually, Elon Musk put up a thing. I might have mentioned it last week. I don't know. There's been a decision made. He put up a little poll and he said,   should we carry on calling it x or should we go back to calling it Twitter?  

And everybody said Twitter just about. About 90% said Twitter because she can't send an x but you can send a tweet. Although that little bird they had was ridiculous.   I mean it's still got to be watched. You got to watch it, you know, in terms of what's going on with it. It's a way way better space than it was on that,   you know, the previous sort of, you know, woke numpty, whoever it was. I can't remember his name. Jack Bursey. And I've   yeah. And I don't take any of these spaces as being really genuine.   They've always got, you know,   hidden agendas for fourth generation warfare. Right, Frederick? They've always got all sorts of things going on in there. But there are some very lively and interesting threads. And whenever anybody puts up I mean I'm following a few sort of UK guys and gals. And And whenever they make an observation about some the latest sort of,   unsound   bit of so called reasoning that's come out of the government's heads,   more and more of the posts are are hitting   this point. It's becoming   self evident. It's on its way, right, we just need to keep lending our weight to it, which is that we don't need government. People are beginning to see that the actual enemy is the government system in itself, not who's in charge of it. Why would you want to be in charge of this thing that's designed that's designed to not work whilst appearing   to be them all striving to put these problems wrong? Well, they're not doing anything of the sort. They're they're basically exacerbating them whilst pretending to solve them. So that's quite encouraging. That's why I go on there. I'm kinda looking to get a feel for what sort of like the conversation is in the extended Internet pub that is Twitter or x or whatever you wanna call it.  

I I think those are pretty good signs really. You know? When you look at the statistic, more people have been killed  

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by their own government   than all the wars put together.   Mhmm. They are the governments are lethal. They really are lethal, and we don't need them. It's a superstition.   If you go on to a chat called, I think it's Larkin Rose, he wrote a book. I think it's called what is it? The something about the worst   The greatest superstition or something like that. That's it. The greatest superstition there is, and it is a superstition   because they put fear into us that if they weren't there, there'd be total anarchy. People would be, you know, there'd be,   ser looting, mass looting.  

Well, look at it another way.   Possibly   if we we did away with government immediately, it might happen that way. But then when you look at places that don't have a government, islands.   When the Berlin Wall came down, Poland didn't have a government for a couple of years.   People a lot of Polish people reckon that's the best time to be alive. People starting businesses.   They things are starting to work. It was a lot it's like being released   without having a a stinking government over you.  

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So,  

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you know, what use is government? It isn't any use at all. It is a superstition.   So,   you know, I don't vote.   What's the point? Because you've already voted for your slave owner.  

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I think the encur I'm encouraged by   the response from people with regard to what you've just said and things like that. Because if you were saying things like that ten years ago, and I was and you were and other people that we know around here were. Right? Saying this thing, or even fifteen years or twenty. It's, you know, it's just too long. I get worried when I start thinking about the amount of years of all this stuff. But,   you wouldn't get much response. There was literally it was almost like you said a negative thing, like you're mad. Literally,   mainly that. Now it's not mainly that.  

Now there are still people that think that, but there's more people,   quietly nodding. That's my exp maybe I'm projecting so let me project away because it encourages me. That's what I think I can you can begin to see it. People are getting that no matter which avenue they turn to they're just meeting with the same results, which is,   lying,  

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basically. You know? Yeah. But what Permanent workers. What is their what is their to me, they have   two main jobs. The first job   is to rob us to pay the illegal usury scam.   That's the first thing. And no politician will mention the usury scam   because they know if they do, they'll end up in a wooden overcoat,   and they have have done. That's what World War two was about, the usury scam.   So it's it's a taboos it's the elephant in the room that everybody ignores. And most people, if you go up to people and you say, do you know what usury   is? The vast majority of people wouldn't have a foggiest idea what it is. Oh, I liked the word foggiest there. I thought you're gonna say something else. Yes.  



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Well done. You stepped in well there with it, mate. Yes. I was That was great. Yes. Foggiest.  

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And the other thing is   they are part of a death cult. I'm positive,   the government is a death cult because   they're I mean, in Canada, they've got this maid thing where they're   literally killing people.   And,   you look at the first and second first World War, for example.   Britain needn't have got involved. It's nothing to do with us,   but we did. And look at the mass carnage it was. It is a death cult, and that's what they're obsessed with all the time.  

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And that's why they keep us under stress. All the time. Well, I go back to that old one, you know, the Lord Acton's thing, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and we're dealing with corrupted cultures of power.   They they've been around so long now in relative if we say democracy rocked up here, you know, four or five hundred years ago, yippee for democracy and all that kind of nonsense.   It's now a seasoned,   a very advanced disease.   And their entire culture is   is that way. And there's not a future, I've mentioned this before but, you know, again,   there isn't a future for the Earth in their mind that does not include them being in charge of it. That's all it comes down to. And anything that threatens that they go berserk. They go berserk.  

Frederick, you're a I'm assuming I'm going to assume a thing here, always dangerous. But I'm assuming you are aware of it, if not possibly a fan of, you probably will be, of,   your great journalist from a hundred years ago, H. L. Mencken.   Yes.   Yes. I came across a wonderful little all his quotes are wonderful. If you don't know about Mencken, everybody, you need to look him up and start just look some of his quotes up and you might even start reading some of his essays. They're obviously of the time,   but some of them are a bit like myths because they're dealing with, golden rules all the time. M e n c k e n, if you want to spell it, Mencken.  

How about this one? I love this. The truth, he writes, indeed   is something that mankind, for some mysterious reason,   instinctively dislikes.   Every man who tries to tell it is unpopular, hello everyone,   and even when, by the sheer strength of his case, he prevails,   he is put down as a scoundrel.   So I want you all to know here, you're all scoundrels and that includes you listeners because I'm assuming, I'm making another assumption,   that you're keen on the truth. So if you're keen on the truth, by definition,   you're gonna be a scoundrel. I think that's pretty accurate, really. I quite like that one. At least we were the other day when I found it.  

Yeah. We're in excellent company. Scoundrels like fellow scoundrels. It's a lovely word, isn't it? I don't know. Although I read it today in Nestor Webster's book on the French Revolution. Actually when I started this show two years ago or whatever it was I was reading the French Revolution and I just stopped at page 300. It's a 500 page book. I just picked it up a couple of days ago and got back into it. Oh it's oh it's nasty.   It's nasty. That French Revolution I've always said is there's something makes me shudder about it. They're all bad. They're all bad. Terrible things take place in these conflicts, but good grief. This is just   some of the things.  

It's not good.   It's not good. People behaving very, very badly toward one another through lies, of course. Through lies.  

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Can I ask a question?  

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You can.  

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Eric.   Eric,   are you referring to the Lork and Rose book, The Most Dangerous   Superstition? Is that Yes. What you were Yes. Thanks thanks, Paul. That's much appreciated. Yes. It is. Yeah. My love and love. Dangerous superstition. And it is I just found it on welive.org.  

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Oh. But we don't need them. We really don't need them. And you look at islands.   People live on   islands. Pitcairn Island, for example.   Alright. There was a bit of,   blood shedding there. But, eventually,   they got it down, and it is very peaceful.   And peace and, you know, what what what do you,   you look at the Old West, they hype it up about the criminals. They were few and far between. Most people were law abiding   and polite.   And this is the thing. They they they they   they always hype things up, governments do, and,   and who finances the governments? Well, we know who does.  

And the film industry,   they hype things up to make us believe   that,   we we couldn't do without government.   And it's like a parent,   hanging on to their child when that child is in their twenties, thirties, forties, and fifties and whatever because they they they, you know, it's frightening out there. You need us. No. It isn't. We we it would be a far better society   without government who you who rule by fear   and brutality.   They're absolutely brutal people. Nasty. And I've got no time for politicians because,   I think they're all very, very weird.  

Who on earth would want to work in a place full of perverts, weirdos,   and acting like children? Oh, yo.   There is something mentally wrong with them. I really do believe that. And Yeah. There is even these ones that, I don't know what his name I can't remember his name there. Even the ones that were politicians, what would attract them into that in the first place? Because the the because anyone that would aspire to be a politician is good enough reason for them not to be.  

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I think the wiggle room, you know, for decent people is now completely gone. There have always been one or two in every sort of generation   that were somehow able to retain,   some sense of dignity and honor. I think of, say, in The States, Ron Paul. Right? At least, I mean I could be wrong in my perception. It's from a distance. Right? But many of the things he said   I wholeheartedly agreed with and he seemed to be his own man. We've had Enoch Powell here. I'm hard pressed to think of too many others, although there must be a few that have said sensible things. But they're generally all company men.   And this is a company. We're we're managed as a business by bosses   who uses as assets and collateral in their system, you know, to to do all these things. There's a good, comment here from djbeatoo says that Godfrey Bloom, the guy that the quote that I played, you know, at the top of the hour just gone, was saying thanks for this, I wasn't aware of this. Godfrey Bloom was saying in his most recent video with a Polish guy about The UK having a French style revolution.  

I hope not. It wouldn't surprise me, but I hope not because if you read into   it, oh boy.   Oh boy. The the way that   people were driven to kill one another with whilst thinking that they were the good guys and the other people were the bad guys.   By being played off against one another, it's   it is the tragedy.   It's also hellish and it's evil and   and, you know, they let all the prisoners out. That's the thing.   It's always something to do with prisons. And if we look at some of the so called legal decisions that are being passed around here or law decisions,   they seem to be in line with,   you know, pouring petrol on a fire that they've started and they want to keep ramping it up. I mean I saw one today,   probably in the Telegram group. Some female judge,   has just sentenced the guy to twenty months in prison for a tweet   and the pedophile   was let off.  

This is by design by the way.   They've written instruction sets to do this, that the victims of crime   are are to suffer and the perpetrators are to be,   not given full justice on purpose. It's got to be part of the demoralization   and confusion process.   And many of these things have been learned in the past, you know, they know their tactics about how to disrupt the peasants.   They know what they're doing.   I think the difference may be now that there's many many peasants who are pretty well educated and knowledgeable about many of these structures and are on it like a hawk, we've still got the time to do this. So,   it's not all doom and gloom, there's a lot of it. You don't wanna sit in it all the time because it'll do your editing.  

But,  

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yeah. There's Well, I was thinking the other day. I mean, I'll throw this out to chat. It might be a ridiculous idea.   But, I mean, well, first of all, you look at example,   and I'm I'm not praying. I'm just speaking as I find. EBay,   I think, runs very pretty well. I'd never been done with them.   Correction, it was my own fault. I was done by one one place, but it was a very small amount, so like four pounds.   But eBay,   people are terrified of putting a foot wrong on those sellers because they know that eBay were given the order of the boot, and that's it. Mhmm. So   everything seems to work okay. There's no government intervention there as far as I know. And if the government run it, it'd be a complete shower. But you notice   things that take your money like the tax people, it's hyper efficient.  

Anything else is totally inefficient.   And   when you look at, for example, insurance, their car insurance is a rip off.   But if we had a situation where and it sounds very weird what I'm about to say.   You didn't really have to you can have insurance if you wanna have insurance,   and insurance companies were responsible   for the repair and maintenance of the roads.   So   if a rate so if the say the m one, an insurance company was responsible for that, And it was potholes. It was crappy. People said, well, I'm not gonna buy my insurance from them. I'm going to someone else.   And you have a you can have a plate on your car that shows what insurance company you're with.  

So that people without those plates, well, you gotta be a bit careful then because they're not insured.  

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Just a thought. Just a thought. You can But the trouble is you can have you can absolutely bet that the sand and salt trucks would be out there lickety split if the insurance companies   controlled the roads.  

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Yes. That's interesting. Yes. They probably would.   Good point. Good point.   It always gets corrupt   corrupted. But look at this country. I mean, the roads are full of bloody potholes.   They're a terrible state. We have to have our cars tested every year. Why don't they have an MOT test for the bleeding roads? They'd all fail it, I think. And I I don't know if this is happening in The States. They're coning off parts of roads now to create a traffic jam, and there's no work being done. Is that happening in in in in The States, Paul?   You're still there, mate? He's gone. Our American Paul?  



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Hey, mate. Gone. Yeah. Frederick, what do you think?  

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Oh. Oh, Frederick. Sorry, mate. Yeah. I forgot to so I forgot I forgot you, Frederick. Yes. It's National Ignorance Day. I I heard it perp, so terribly sorry. Right. We  

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have a horrible   infrastructure problems. It varies greatly from state to state, but it's like you said,   where   they'll just cone off a bridge because, well, they came in and condemned that lane,   but we're not gonna be able to fix it anytime soon because it's, you know, election season, budget season, whatever.   And so they just, you know, corridor it off. And, you know, six months later, they oh, we got the money somehow to fix that lane,   And so we're just seeing more and more things like that where these, the infrastructure is falling apart and it's not being maintained.   And that's, you know, one, economics. And two,   you know, hiring these, you know, low IQ third worlders under diversity and DEI   that don't have the cognitive   ability to understand that you maintain   your infrastructure if you want to be a civilization. It's just they're, like, trying to get out of work, you know, because work's hard and they want their money.  

And, yeah, but that's, you know, what we're up here in The States. And so I can imagine what it's like in The UK.  

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Yeah.   It's horrendous. It really is. And again, all it is is to pay off the scam   all the time.   And and people are not aware of it. As Henry Ford said, if people knew the truth about the banking industry, there'd be a revolution before tomorrow morning. He was spot on.  

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I think I mean, it does take a lot to get people to revolt.   It's just that when it kicks off, it's unstoppable.   Certainly, that's what I read into most of the run up to the French Revolution.   It's,   the amount of times they tried to get it going, it took them three years before it really kicked off.   And who's far as you plotting terribly. I mean, it's just that there's a whole back story to it yet. There's a big chunk of information that I'm aware of that I don't know the details of that I need to dive into. I think I mentioned it before. It's to do with land ownership again. Right? Due with land ownership. The peasants were basically told this story, you know, the food was running out and stuff, that it was all because of the filching   and the, and the spend thriftiness of the aristocracy and the king. This is a lie.  

That's not what happened at all.   What was occurring was that the there was a tax on the land.   Everybody knows about tax, right? There's a tax on the land and   the gathering of those taxes was put out to agencies.   People could apply and get an agency to become the tax collector for a region, a province, or whatever they got in France, right, whatever the name is it.   And, so they had to get a certain amount of tax in every year, which they did. What people didn't know   is that they were overcharging the peasants at source and skimming it off the top as the middleman   and they made   immense fortunes. This is in the seventeen eighties, Immense fortunes.  

And as,   as it came to sort of denouement time,   they basically turned around and said, it's the king's taking all the money. We're paying him and everything. And they were right in the middle of it. And this is part of this anything new under the sunness? No. We're we're in a similar trap. It's more subtle, but it's exactly the same. They're at both ends of the deal, and we're in the middle paying, you know, protection money for a problem that wouldn't exist if the protection agency didn't exist.   There is no we don't need it.   You know? So, oh, okay. Government, you're protecting us. This is why you plunged us into two world wars in the last century. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. That that really protected us. That protected all those blocks that died on all sides. Yeah. That helped. Oh, I see. I see what we're doing. Meanwhile,   the city of London sits there,   you know, getting bloated   all the time. There's nothing new with that. Anyway, we're at the end of the hour and I've got to sign off here on WBN, so we'll be back same time next week. Thanks for joining us. We're carrying on,   on Rumble and YouTube and elsewhere. Go to paulenglishlive.com   if you wanna, carry on listening to us for the next hour. We're here with our guest, Frederic Blackburn. We're gonna talk about, I hope, in part Cowboys and Injuns.  

In the meantime, we're gonna play out with a song here.   This is called,   country boogie woogie   country girl. Boogie woogie country girl. We're talking about country and land and everything. This is a bit of   rock and roll piano for you. We're gonna do this. We'll be back after this.  

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What I found out when I got into number 10 is I thought that if I got to the top of the tree,   I would be able to implement those conservative policies So you think once your prime minister Yeah. I as a whole grader thinking, if I get prime minister, I'll be like Churchill, change the country. That's not how it works. Exactly. And what I discovered   was that I was not holding the levers.   The levers were   held by the Bank of England, by the Office of Budget Responsibility.  

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They weren't held by the prime minister or the chancellor. And I think that's a massive Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. That's a massive problem. Hang on. You're saying the Central Bank, the Bank of England is one of the things that controls are you a conspiracy theory person?   You almost sound like Gorham. You're you're MAGA.  

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What what I'm saying, Steve,   is that if the Bank of England governor   can't be sacked   and the prime minister   can be sacked,   then the Bank of England governor is gonna have more power than the prime minister. And that is a problem in a democracy   because the fact is the left have succeeded in infiltrating   our campuses.  

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And, that was, the first track was Mickey Muster. I think aunt Sally was dancing away to music like that earlier this evening according to a comment, hi, aunt Sally. And at second track, another great hit was,   Liz Truss talking to Steve Bannon about a year and a half ago, nearly two years ago, actually.   And, I actually got hold of her book the other day and started reading it. It's very interesting.   I'm, I'm obviously in love with Liz Truss. I'll have to record a song about it. I'm I'm not, but there's nothing much I can do about it. But,   as I've said before,   she's the only one that's at the highest levels of power that's even got close to talking about what's really going on and that's a little glimpse in it. So she's quite clear that, all the power centers of the West are,   spoken for. There are other people in there wrecking the whole thing. So it's useful. I hope she can   survive.  

Seriously.   So there we go. Anyway,   Mickie Muster by the way is,   Mickie spelled m I c k e. I think he's from Belgium. How about that? And that was a boogie woogie country girl. That's what it was. It's an old hit but, it's one of the best renditions of it and I like that stuff   a lot. And I bet everybody who listen to that says I wish I could play piano like that. It's the sort of piano playing everybody wants to do, don't you think? I do.  

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My mom did. My mom used to play the boogie woogie with my uncle who was her brother. She's a comedian, and they used to go Yeah. Phenomenal speed. Incredible speed, it was. Yeah. And and, my mom couldn't read a note of music. Did it all by  

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ear. Yeah. Best. That's best. You don't need to be like Mozart. You just need to thump those keys. That's what you need to do. Yeah. Absolutely. That's it. Yeah. Brilliant stuff.   Frederick, I wanted to ask you,   where, I mean, that part of America, is that where you've been your entire life?  

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North, North Carolina, isn't it? Well, in full disclosure, I was actually born on a military base because my father was still serving when I was born.   And so in 'sixty two, I was born in New Mexico at Holloman Air Force Base, where he was working on the Mercury project.   And then The rocket. I was Yeah. Yeah. He was one of the people working with the chimps,   him and Enos and all of that.   So, anyway One piece. Yes. Yeah.   But my family   line goes back to that first wave   of   Appalachian   pioneering   from   places like Blackburn, England,   you know, where   the British came across and   really came into these mountains, and then the second wave was the Scott Irish.  

And so there was that side of the family,   with the English side. And then,   so, but we go way, way back in these mountains. But, yeah, I was always reminded, especially from my school chums, whenever I was winning an argument, it's like, well, you weren't born here.   It's like you don't have any say in the matter.  

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Yeah. You're an outsider. You're an outsider. Outsider.  

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Yes. Yes.  

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So even though I was, like, six months old or something when we moved, I was like, it doesn't count. Doesn't count. You know? Yep. Yeah. You're embossed with that for the rest of your life. You're a scarred Mexican  

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guy. Man. You are. Yeah. Absolutely.   I was just wondering, were there that so the neck of the woods where you've lived most of your life, I'm assuming. Right? Oh, yeah. Was that Was that the people?  

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All in one place, unlike my siblings who were in a different school every year because they were moving all over the country, all over the world, actually.   And so I got that stationary, and then left to go to university and then got the job, but that was based out of Central North Carolina in the Raleigh Durham Chapel Hill area,   and Research Triangle Park was the name of that area,   where I was working at places like RTI   and IBM and NetEdge   and did a lot of work with Cisco   people. I never worked for Cisco, but I did a lot of training for them. And then the infamous Global   Knowledge, which was where I was working   when I found all all those hate facts about what the NSA and all the telcos and ISPs were doing before nineeleven,   and I was playing politics. Speaking of politics, I was actually one of those people that thought I could, you know, make a change if I could get elected and move inside, and so at that time, you know, in the 90s, I had got heavily involved in North Carolina politics and was   running for office when nineeleven happened, and   came out for nineeleven Truth first year in 2002   on that first anniversary and not a good platform to run on.  

So   I was blowing the whistle on the NSA and not coming out for nine eleven truth and pointing the finger at our special friend,   and it did not go over well with North Carolina voters. I was ahead of the curve, you know. I was there, you know, too soon, I guess.  

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I was that that that your area, anyway, was it at all involved? We don't have to stick in this for a long time, but   I just wondered   the the Indian wars when the West was being taken. You're not really in the West, are you? No. And that was funny when you,  

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said the,   Cowboys and Indians. It's like, well, you mean, like, what's going on in Texas now with those Indians or the other  

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Indians? We can talk about   both. We can talk about both. There's, obviously, it's really rather amusing that they ended up being called Indians because they thought they discovered India or something like that. But,  

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that fight's about this big 80 foot statue, one of the biggest statues in The United States and North America,   of this Hindu demon god in the middle of   Baptist   Christian   Texas. Yeah. It's like it's like just giving the finger, and so there's a little cowboy and Indian   conflict going on in the Sugar Creek area, I believe it's called.   So is it Sugar Land, excuse me. Sugar Land, Texas.  

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So   I I guess   I wasn't aware of that. Is it a case then, do you think so   after the war between the states,   you've then got   the Indian wars, you know, between the US military and these   savage Indian tribes. Savages. Well,   that's right. So you fought those Indian wars a hundred years ago. Right.   Right.   A hundred and fifty years, whatever it is, you know, hundred and seventy years ago. And now you're are you saying that you might have to fight some other ones again to retake the West? The Indian wars two point o. Is that what's happening? Well, that's all over the country. You know, we are just getting invaded by this  

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influx of Indians. The Indians are coming. The Indians are coming. And it's not the Creek Cherokee or Sioux or Apache this time.   It's Dinesh and the Fantell family.   It's yeah. It's insane.   But here in these mountains,   we had the early Indian wars and conflicts before we were even, you know, a nation, right? And then in this area, they always say stolen land, stolen land. Well, actually,   we were part of the group that purchased the land from the Cherokee,   right, and   Right. So they always try to guilt trip, you know, white settlers for stealing their land, and it's like, no,   they sold it to these areas where we are here. Now other parts,   you know, it was by conquest, but,   it wasn't stolen land,   but they love to, you know, Appalachian State   University loves to guilt trip all the white students from this area about, you know, this university's on stolen land, what you did to those poor Cherokees, and never bothered to mention the facts that the Cherokees were actually bought out.  

The Apaches and the Sioux and all that, that's out west stuff, and that's a total, and Navajo, that's a totally different   type of critter than, the Cherokees and the Iroquois,   and that gets into that whole thing of   the white Europeans were the first ones to come across   after the last ice age, and the reason the Iroquois and the Cherokee had higher IQs and more civilization   than their Western   kinfolk   was because   of during the genocide of the white Europeans on the Eastern Seaboard,   they intermarried, and so you have that remnant of that,   white DNA   in those,   fairer tribes   of the  

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Northeast Side up into Canada. Yeah. Are they tribes like the Iroquois?  

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Is that one of them? Yeah. Or is it the end of the night? Yeah. They were the ones that actually part of the Constitutional Republic Of The US was based on their   representative government system. You know, that's how advanced they were compared to the impact fees and stuff. There's just, you know,   a 70 IQ, no impulse control whatsoever. They kill you for anything.  

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You see, I've just been reading, and I owe kind of an apology by extension to Shelley. Shelley   sent me a message the other week. She said, I've just started to read Scalp Dance by Tom Goodrich. Oh, good. I was gonna say that's a great one to read.   It it it is. Everybody,   you wanna read a book   about cowboys and engines, it's more than that,   read Scout Dance. I,   I basically gleaned it.   She want I'll do a show with you Shelly on this she might even rock up here because I'll let her know that we might touch upon this topic today and I need to touch upon it because I just spent the weekend reading the book all the way through. I couldn't put it down right and I love it when they get like that. It's an amazing book. Tom   passed away in November,   great friend of mine, great friend of many people in this space, wonderful wonderful guy, really   humble sort of guy, articulate, very thoughtful, kindly,   really good natured, loved him to bits, really miss him actually. And it was as I'm reading the book I'm thinking, but Tom I need to call you.  

I need to   I I don't wanna talk to you about this. Yeah. Oh, god. It was driving me crazy. Yeah. Because, you know, if you don't know who he is, you need to. He's most well known for a book called Hellstorm, the destruction of National Socialist Germany.   What's the dates on that? 1944   to 1947.   Right? That's what you need the dates are important. More Germans died immediately after the war than during it. Think about that. Right? This is really important stuff.   And Tom had this ability, I'm not saying he's the only person with it, but   his   he gets hold of the kind of   the real   rough end of the historical stick. There's no two ways about it. And   if you haven't read Hellstorm,   I would really ask you to read it. There is a video out out there which you can watch and probably should, but reading it is the more fulfilling and detailed experience. You'll get a feeling for it. It's a brilliant   it I used to when I spoke to Tom I said you've written the most awful book in the world. I think that's what I meant. It's the most terrible awful book Tom.  

You know, and it is but it has to be told. And he had the ability to tell these things in   in sort of a plain language that that because of it,   because he didn't dress it up it really is extremely impactful.   And anyway   he wrote many books, I won't list all of them, but,   Hellstorm's worth be bigging up here. And we might do a show and I've got, there's an English guy over here that's   Jeff, I think it's Jeff that I've just contacted recently. I'm gonna try and get him on the show maybe during the course of December. He he's closely involved in a thing called 'Arm Reg' which is a publisher publishes   material about certain events in World War two that we're not allowed to question. Let's just leave it there. Right? I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to be quite deft if we do a show on that. Yeah.  

I want to talk about these things every now and again. I'm just aware of the climate that we have over here. It's absolutely ridiculous. But never   mind, but there's still many other things to talk about. But his most successful book was Scout Dance, which he doesn't have the copyright to. It's with the publisher.   Because I remember talking to him. I'd done the audiobook for Hellstorm   and,   he said you could do the audiobook for Scout Dance. I said that's a bit weird. I'm an Englishman, you know. He said I don't think it would matter.   I guess you're not familiar with the book, Eric. Have you heard of it? Or you've heard of it now, but you you wouldn't be familiar with it now? Yes. I've heard I've heard of it. Yes. Yes. I've very much heard of it. She helped dance. Because the  

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Absolutely. Yeah. Noted that that they were savage.   All this all this, all this oh, they live with the they live with the planet, and they were all full of love and peace. That's a modern hippie invention. That is a lot of old Exactly.  

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You  

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know? A dream did you get the dream catchers in these shops playing all this lovely   new age music? And and, people like   like they do on the Hollywood films.   Yeah. That's a lot of old shit. Yeah. That's How positively  

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fluffy.  

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Yes. It it is if you read Tom's book, it will disabuse you of any notion whatsoever   in that direction. It's comp it's complete guff. It's not that they weren't prone to acts of kindness from time to time, but when   they put the war paint on, which was a lot, their entire culture   So even prior to the white guys arriving,   they were basically capturing and skinning alive other tribes,   literally,   right? This is what they did.   It's a degree of savagery that you can't comprehend, I mean you must take an awful lot of effort to torture the people the way that they did and I'm afraid the book is full of the most gruesome detail. I'm not I won't read it out because it'll be just sort of slightly you need to read it yourself and sort of go through it I would suggest strongly. But   one of the things that struck me as I'm reading it was   a) my complete,   tiny view of that period of history. That was the first thing.  

You know you mentioned that the tribes up in the in the East, there's no real understanding.   I didn't I've been never been given one of course.   I don't know what it's like for students in America, I'm assuming it's probably similar unfortunately,   of the sheer variety of tribes, of these Indian tribes spread all over the place and their, in the main, adversarial   relationship with one another. It's off the charts really.   And,   there's something in American history, it seems to me, that needs to be told more fully. I don't know what you think about that. It sounds a bit cocky coming from an Englishman. You know, we've got our own problems over here, but   it's so colored by the cowboy movie,   which is just   it's mad. I hated westerns when I was a kid, by the way. I couldn't stand them. It was only when we got to the spaghetti westerns, which are, again, a romanticized   variant in a different way seen through a European lens. They have great entertainment,   but they don't   get the real grit of it. Although the civil war scenes in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly kinda get it across. I thought they were pretty impressive and there's there's it's great filmmaking.  

So I'm not knocking it. It's a really great film in in for all sorts of reasons cinematically and   and the crazy plot and Eli Wallach and Clint Eastwood. But What  

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White man speak with fork dung. That's why he eat fish and chips.   But I actually think carry on cowboy was the closest to reality, personally.  

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I don't think Frederick would be familiar with carry on cowboy and and Larry. Brilliant. And Frederick, I'm not suggesting that you need to get familiar with it. Oh, okay.   Okay. It's a spoof. It's an English spoof of of Western cliches and stuff and it's done in a particular way. But Yeah.   Going through going through Tom's book this is the thing that really struck me. I thought   there's so much in that period of history in America,   in the 1800s   that I don't think has been they've not they've barely scratched the surface of what was going on.   The the it's it's amazing and I actually felt a great I I as I was reading it I thought actually Tom asking me to read it would have worked because I noted   that nearly the names of all of The US troops they were all English surnames. I could recognize them. I know where they come from sort   of, you know. And so there's this and I I felt a stronger sense of connection with the whole thing. I know I'm not supposed to wear distinct nations now and all that. I've got all that. And, you know, you had the war of independence and everything. It's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year, isn't   it? 2026.  

Two hundred and fiftieth. So we'll, that'll be fun. We'll see what happens there. You can maybe you could come back and invade us. I don't mind. And,   seriously, no one no one gives a fig. And,   but,   there's just so much that hasn't been told right, it strikes me. I mean tons tons and tons and tons.   And,   Tom's I mean, the the Battle of the Little Bighorn is in there, so I suppose that's the epic pivot piece from a sort of military point of view. But that's not the bit that really lasts. It's the way that the settlers are just,   well, destroyed and preyed upon by these tribes who are just out of their minds with savagery. It's it is off the charts. It's absolutely  

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it's it's horrific. I don't know what words to use. I'm gonna run out of adjectives. That's the thing, but like you were saying, it just completely got whitewashed,   with,   you know, little big man and all this Hollywood hype of,  

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dances with wolves and everything else. Oh, dances with wolves. That's that's almost laughable. I mean, well, he writes he writes in the the the the I mean, he would have been   hung out, hung, drawn, caught he he wouldn't have survived.   Simple.   It's so romanticized.  

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And the public school systems, you've got all these, you know, wine box cat ladies teaching children   that, you know, white men bad, everything that they built here is bad,   and you have to, you know, admire everybody else, especially the Native Americans because they're superior to us. Yeah, that kind of mentality,   and   one of my personal tells of this reverse discrimination   was during Hurricane Helene last year.   This time last year, I was not having a good time. We got hit by a category five hurricane in the Appalachian Mountains   that just took out everything,   and we happened to be sitting on this this park service   roadway,   scenic roadway, tourist roadway called the Blue Ridge Parkway that traverses the entire section of this   of the state, right, and it has on it all of these very nice National Park Service   campgrounds   that had, you know,   sanitation,   bath houses, you know,   independent wells, radios, generators,   places to land, relief helicopters,   lots of campsite   areas with water run to them, with power run to them, etcetera.  

The head of the National Park Service just happened, this is under the Biden administration,   so their diversity   hire was to put the first Native American   into the head of the National Park Service, and his name was Charles F. Sams the third,   otherwise known as Walla Walla,   and he was a complete,   we nicknamed him,   Big Chief Dingleberry,   the way he handled everything. So rude of you, Frederick. Yes. How very rude.   And basically,   you know, we were begging,   let us use those   park wherever, you know, some of them got damaged, I concede that, but for the majority,   the Parkway   Road was still passable   with the exception of a few areas where it had washed out and there were ways to get around those washouts, right?  

No, no, no, no, no.   You know, and it went right through the most affected areas. We begged. We pleaded. We tried to get our local representatives to open up those parks. No. No. No. They immediately   closed the parks down   and issued that anybody who stepped into those national parks would be arrested and dealt with with the first severity of the law,   and then you find out this guy's also, you know, Charles Sam Walla Walla   was also part of all of these America First,   you know, like AIM and all of those radical, you know, Indian organizations that are, you know, financed by the usual suspects we can't talk about,   but they're, you know, radicalizing   the, you you know, chair or the youth of these, you know, Indians,   into that they are a revenge culture. They're gonna take it back. And so the same organizations   this guy came out of were saying on social media   that   Hurricane Helene was payback   for what those white people did to the Cherokee.  

And that just started going viral everywhere that, you know, this was God saying, you know, we've got to punish those Appalachian people because of what they did to the Cherokee Indians, and that actually went as a viral meme out, and all these people were talking about it. And so, yes, it's good for what, you know, happening,   and that this guy, you know, wouldn't even let us use this park service, you know, this is our   government property, right? You know, this is an emergency   situation,   and, you know, his answer was to shut it down and armed guards and all the entrances like anybody who steps in here is gonna get shot, you know, basically.   And, you know, so that was my personal experience with one of these, you know, Indian supremacists that's, you know, just got a chip on their shoulder   the size of Texas,   and, you know, any power they get is going to be to punish people like me because of the sins of the fathers, right? And, you know, no matter what   hate facts you have, like Tom Goodrich's excellent work,   and if you ever get a chance, go back to those Breakfast Club show archives that he was on, especially the panel discussions,   talk about leveling people up of what the reality of the Native America, you know, noble savages was.  

You know, he was the man to do it, but this just pettiness from this guy,   just shows, you know, where their mindset is and when they get power, they are going to use it against you and claim the moral high ground doing it. One thing that was nice, the second Trump took office, this guy was fired, and he disappeared.   You know, I haven't heard anything out of his political   careers since,   But I know he made a lot of friends here in North Cackalacky. We we dubbed him big chief Dingleberry as I said.  

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Yeah.   Yeah.   I I there's a lot of themes in what you just said.   Before I I just want to jump on a point. Before I do,   shout out to Mer Bailey. She's put in the rumble chat, there's a link to a PDF of scalp dance, so you can naughtily go away and get it. I've also copied that link into the YouTube chat for listeners on YouTube. Okay. So get the PDF.   I would strongly recommend it.   It might not appear to be a topic that you're interested in, but the reason why the book is so good is that really the bulk of it   are taken from the personal notes, diaries, and anecdotes, and letters   of the people that were whose lives were destroyed in in most cases   by their engagement with the Indians and their perceptions   and their ordeals which are off the charts. And the reason why I was saying it's not told enough is that there's no perception of that intensity at all. Whereas if you ask me about,   say Napoleon going into Russia and the more I can tell you more we can talk more about that. There's more of a sort of understanding or awareness of this colossal waste of life irrespective of what you might think about Napoleon and the Russians and all this kind of stuff. You know, it's huge numbers.  

And the numbers are not as great, but they're great enough. They're they're in the thousands and it's the manner of their death and dying and the and the duplicity that's involved that is truly appalling. So there is definitely room for proper Westerns to be made. Will they be made? I doubt   it, but they really do need to be made,   they absolutely do because it's   it's an amazingly gripping book. That's why I couldn't put it down for three days, I just picked it up and couldn't stop. I was finishing reading at like 02:00 in the morning going can't wait to wake up in the morning and pick it up and carry on.   It really is that good. That thing though that you were take you were just saying then about them using power against you. One of the reasons why I kind of just edged into this, I might have mentioned it last week.  

This is another little sort of link to, you know, how your thoughts go. I must look at this. I mentioned it last week. Tucker Carlson spoke with, Piers Morgan recently.   And in it, I think I mentioned this last week and this is what sort of set me off on that channel. I thought I need to because I'd flitted through scout dance and read chapters and then put it down and stuff. I'd never sat down and gone all the way through it. I thought I need to do that. He was talk they were talking about England and what's happening here with all the the new arrivals.   Okay?  

And,   Carlson made this observation. He said,   if you look at what happened to the Red Indians,   he said, and you see them today they are a defeated people. He said, and I'm looking out at England, I mentioned this, and I'm seeing a defeated people. Now defeated's too strong for my English palate, right?   Certainly a subdued people, although not as subdued as we were yesterday. The subduing I think is gonna is gonna kick off in some way because there's gonna be,   you know one of those reaction things that take place throughout history, you can feel it coming. But,   it really struck a chord with me. I just thought there's something true in this, there's something about the overwhelmingness of what's taking place and that the people are not in control. And there's a wonderful bit, a very telling bit in the book in Scout Dance. I can't remember the names of the characters but there's a a a US army officer talking to an Indian guide who he'd known for a long time. They had a very good relationship.  

One of the things that is worth noting is that there were many Indians   signed up as it were as guides with the   US army   because they had,   scores to settle with other tribes.   It's never anything clean. It's not good guys and bad guys. It's always a mess, always.   And they were invaluable as scouts and guides because they knew the land like the back of their hand, you know, wherever they went. So anyways, talking to one of them and this old guy says to him, he said look I know a lot of your people and they all lie to me but you've never lied to me. He said right, he said I never will lie to you or something like that. He goes so I hear these stories   that I don't believe and I need to ask it of you. He says what? What would you want to ask me? He said I hear that up in the North from where wherever they were   there are   millions and millions   of white people.  

He said,   that there are towns and villages that go on as far as the eye can see. He said this is, they all tell me this and I laugh, I tell them it's not true, but I'm asking you is it true? And he said to him, he said there are more white people than there are leaves on the trees in your territory.   And the impact that this had on the guy was it's like he's I think something like his head sunk into his chest, it's like all the life went out of him as he got   the situation that they were in. That it there was no way at all that they were gonna succeed   in a combative approach   against this influx of Europeans. They were just they were not going to do it and he kind of got it. And it sort of, something inside of him you could say, not that I've got a great deal of sympathy when you look at their behavior, but I'm observing it. It's as if his story of his people died at that point in him. He knew that they weren't gonna have a story, anything like the story that they'd had up to that point. And he could say it's a jolly good thing because the way they treated one another is abominable. Before we even arrived, I mean   it's it's not good, you know, you you go in. And I noticed even in myself I want to try and find elements of sympathy for their behavior. I think it's our condition.  

We're always wanting to sort of, you know, play with a straight back and go well, you know. And one of the surprising things as well, or maybe not surprising but interesting to know,   is the speed with which,   the Americans forgave the Indians once it had all been wrapped up.   I think Tom says that America was being a new country wanted to get on with things, you know, didn't want to linger on this stuff. And,   and the admiration that many of The US troops had for the sheer bravery, they are called braves, and and some of the exploits of them is astonishing, it really is.   Their commitment to just waging war no matter how much personally they were imperiled.  

So there are all these there's all these other threads and strands running through it.   It just left me as I said with this impression that the real tale of that period of American history has not been taught. And maybe, you know, I get this impression from a father, Americans,   don't sort of immerse you're always told you're a young country, which I guess is relatively true,   but so much has gone on in it and yet everything is about tomorrow and the future as if as if there's almost, I was thinking, has there been some kind of directive to create a culture where people never look back and never seek to learn or to acquire knowledge from the the past?   Is that a is that a useless observation or is there an element of some sense in that? I'm just asking as a question. I don't really know. It's just a sort of feeling from a distance. Paul, this is Patrick.  

Hi, Patrick. Hi.   BB needs to be let back in. He he had to he got kicked for some reason.   Oh, right. I didn't do that. No. I wouldn't have done such a thing. Let me let him back in. That's,   where is he? He heard what you were on about. Oh, yeah.   Thanks, Patrick. Sorry about that, Frederick. I don't know what happened. This is like you getting kicked out of Twitter as well. I know. What's going on here? You were trouble. Yeah. You're a scoundrel. That's the problem. I was minding my own business listening intently, and all of a sudden I get dead air. And it's like, I'm not  

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listening intently, and all of a sudden I get dead air. And it's like I'm not in there anymore.  

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So I'll just I'll just cover that little question that I had. This this observation. Do is it sort of in the culture of America that there's not much about your own history? I mean, I'm aware of that big series that they did about the US war between the states,   Burns or whatever his name is. Tim Burns.   Yeah. And I have no idea whether that's straight up, but I suspect that if I mean Tom actually has got a book, I think he co wrote it with his wife,   on the the war between the states as I call it.   And I've got to get into that one and pick that one up, but is there a sort of a cultural thing that you don't spend enough time looking at the past? What do you think?   Because I think   you you might you might be a really young country but there's an awful lot going on particularly,   I mean I'm I'm I realized from reading Tom's book I went ah this is interesting. I was galvanized because I thought here's a huge hole in my knowledge about stuff or feeling for it and Tom's book helps immeasurably with that. But do you think that that's a sort of pattern in other areas or is it do you just sort of study history in a certain space, or is it not really part of the culture of America much? I don't know. Well,  

[02:37:57] Unknown:

everything   changed,   you know, after World War two where   suddenly instead of   civilization history being something to be proud of, you got that   critical theory of let's tear it all apart,   and talk about how bad it was. And so this entire post war generation   grew up with   this white guilt based, you ruined everything, look at all these, you know, these great civilizations you destroyed,   you know, like Native Americans, and it's like, no, they really didn't   didn't have the wheel yet. They didn't have a written language. Yeah. These people, you know,   they're they're at the stone age, and they're not going to move past that no matter how much money you throw at it, you know.  

But, yeah, we were   given the whole white guilt thing, and one of the points I was gonna make,   before I got kicked out was in the Boy Scouts. You know, I would for people that don't know, I was big into Boy Scouts. My father was big into Boy Scouts,   before they turned it all fake and gay, right? This was, you know, the fifties, sixties, and seventies Boy Scouts, and   even then, they   created this honor society within Boy Scouts called the Order of the Arrow, and it was based around Native American   culture, but it was this complete glamorization,   and then it got, you know,   bundled in with that white guilt thing of the sixties where, oh, you know, they were superior to us and we're so bad and everything.  

And so you had, you know, the best   of your white males, you know, the alpha males   of your culture being indoctrinated   into this very masonic   order called the order of the arrow   that was just really a white guilt glorification   of what was here before,   and somehow no matter what we do, it's always gonna be tainted because of what we destroyed.   Right?   And that was just, you know, that we destroyed this beautiful thing for what? What have we done that's so great? You know? You bet. And just that mindset,   and,   and, yeah, the big thing about American history that I found out is just how powerful it is with the textbook companies   that are owned by the usual suspects,   that lie by omission,   and that the power of lying by omission is key, that you can't bring up those hate facts, as I call them, because they may be truthful, but they're hurt   and therefore they can't be part of the narrative, because they contradict the narrative.  

And this, you know, one of the big things I go around and around with our local university here, Appalachian State University, is because they have a strict no hate facts policy,   and all those little, you know, boss girls   with degrees   that, you know, are pushing all of this, you know, don't wanna hear the facts. They want to indoctrinate those children into thinking like them. They don't wanna teach children how to think,   they want to teach children   what to think, and all the little white boys, you're bad.   Yeah. I want you to think that over and over and over and over again, and all the little white girls, if you do anything traditional,   you're bad,   But if you're like me, a mean old boss girl that always gets her way,   and you know, does what's right all the time, then you'll get, you know, positive feedback from your educators, and that is   what these children are sent to, is this this Marxist indoctrination   guy, you know, LARPing as education   from the government. And that's what they're back to that government thing, that mind control of the government.  

Yeah, that big illusion that says, no. This is what, you know, our history will be because we said so.   And, yeah, this gets into the whole, you know, government as do you really have a representative   government with this democracy,   or do you just have communitarian   middle managements   that once they get in position of power, they realize where the real power is, and if they wanna keep that seat of power, they will do what they're told, not what they set out to do.   You know, and that is   the, you know, they are talking about great films, Occult Forces from 1943.   Explains this perfectly, is, yeah, this is how the game is played. You think you have a representative,   no, he is just there, she is just there to dictate   policy from above,   and spoiler,   they want you and everybody like you dead and gone, because there's no place for you in their new world order.  

You know, and that's Yes. The big hate fact is, you know, this is a genocidal cult that has people like you and I in the crosshairs, because we don't fit into what they have planned after the great reset.  

[02:43:04] Unknown:

Scoundrels.   Scoundrels, I say. Yes. All you scoundrels out there, I love that word. It's great. I like to be a skeptic. Scallywags and carpetbaggers and scoundrels.   Mhmm. What's a jackanape?   What's a jackanape? I don't know what that is. It's a lovely word though, isn't it?   As you were saying that stuff,   what was what I was   thinking   was   this thing about the content of the news cycle.   Right? So it's going on today. It'll be going on tomorrow, and it'll be going on for as long as we're around.   The news cycle, the dramas of the news,   the apparently important policy decisions that are made, the latest this, the latest that.  

I find it extremely   unattractive.   I'm not interested in it. The con in other words, the content that they put before us seems to me to be irrelevant   because   I suspect that most people don't see the context.   It's just a great distraction. It's an extremely compelling one and it's not that these events don't take place and they're willing to do any sort of hellish drama in front of you to keep your attention fully absorbed and and it's a case of it puts you in a condition where you cannot see the wood for the trees. You have to work really hard   to see it.  

Orwell said something about that, didn't he? He said to see what's in front of your nose is really difficult. I'm paraphrasing badly. But to see what's right in front of you, what's actually taking place, particularly when you, we take into account what you were talking about there, the conditioning that takes place in these indoctrination centers called schools   and edumacation   centers.   It's no surprise. We did a thing here about a year back where we got hold of some of these   exam papers that were floating around in the nineteenth century both on this side of the pond and in America.   And the questions that were on these,   exams for boys and girls aged 14, I think it was,   they're amazing questions.  

They're amazing questions, right?   Really   challenging,   wonderfully   thought provoking questions that the student would have to think his way through or her way through to actually come up with the right stuff. And you look at the stuff that pass   passes for so called education   and   it's this context is a part of this is everything is imbued it seems to me with a way of seeking to induce us with a guilt for things non stop. We've got it over here even now with the African slave trade. We've had this guy recently,   sir   sir Lenny Henry who wants £18,000,000,000,000.  



[02:45:45] Unknown:

Right, reparations.  

[02:45:46] Unknown:

For reparations for the slave trade. Now that's fine.   Okay. So I don't if that's what they want, that's okay. But we don't need to pay it to them directly because if they're due reparations   for this slave trade, which is,   debatable, and I don't agree with it. But if if you say that that stands, then we are due back from the Muslim world way more than that. As way more Europeans have been enslaved by Muslims than we ever enslaved Africans.   And that slave trade, by the way, is of course still going on in Africa Still going on. In Muslim countries right now.  

[02:46:19] Unknown:

It's like all of the white girls that got put into   Indian slaves, you know, that they killed, you know, the men, but would kidnap the women.   You know, you have that   aspect of it, and   it's just   the fact that The UK already bought out the entire   slave   industry,   you know, had to buy them out to end slavery, and didn't finish paying that debt off until, what, the 1990s   or something like that? It was just a hundred years of debt from the British people to buy out the slave industry,   you know, to put an end to it,   and they want more. And that's the thing. They're never going to have enough. It's always we want more. You owe us something. It's not fair, and when you're dealing with a 70 IQ Somalian, it no matter how many hate facts you have, you're not gonna convince them. Their cognitive dissonance is too   ingrained,   and then the other aspect of it is you've got your bad agents out there   that know they're lying, but they get paid to lie. I always like the Upton Sinclair quote of it's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. Right? Yes.  



[02:47:37] Unknown:

Well that's what we're facing all the time with everybody in so called positions of power. They've all got to pay their mortgage off. Right. And of course they've got mortgages that are big because they get paid they get off on a big sort of salary   scale to start off with and they can't let go of it. They they won't see it. Is it you know there's something in us as a race as a culture   is it that we've   got excessive levels of empathy for everybody else and everybody else hasn't got any for us and yet we've got so much empathy that we tend to ignore that and say, well, one day they will have. Let's keep pounding away whilst we get killed. Isn't that going on? And that  

[02:48:14] Unknown:

is one of those hard ones to swallow about race realism when you start realizing what our grandfathers and grandmothers told us about race versus what our university professors and media tells us about race,   is these are hard core, hard coded differences,   and no matter how much money you throw at it you are not going to change this, and Europeans   have   this suicidal   empathy, pathological   altruism, whatever you want to call it, towards   everything,   and it's not reciprocated, but they don't understand that. They don't understand   how hated they are because these people have been conditioned to hate us, not to have empathy for us,   you know.  

Mhmm. You know, it's just amazing, going back to hurricane Helene, when you see   a disaster happens, who runs in to save the day?   And who, you know, sits back and says they deserved what they got?   You know, then   you write that down as racial divides.   That's just one of those realities that, you know, we knew at one time,   but we were   taught a different way, and now we're seeing that, well, that this isn't right, no matter how many times I was told this isn't the truth,   and it's now dangerous.   We are have, we're surrounded by people who hate us, and that's not a good position to be, especially when the food supply gets cut off.  

[02:49:47] Unknown:

That's absolutely right.   Yeah,   But of course, because it's not so much that people don't study history, it's worse than that. They think they have.   They think they have studied history, but they've they've been given the neutered Marxist version of it, which puts them in a bad light and they've absorbed that.   And so when you come along and say you might want to read this or you might want to do that, of course you're immediately a hater because you're about to take away their,   what do you call it, their white knight in shining armor status. I'm here to save everybody. I can do that. We can do that. If we're if we're good to everybody,   they're gonna be good back to us. It's a nice idea. I I wish it were true,   but you say, well you might if you care to read certain chapters of history you might be disabused of that what I consider to be false notion because it's false. Because the evidence doesn't exist   to support it and therefore it is just a notion, it's not a truth at all.  

And so the the actual story is still not being told. And I don't even mean the story just in the past, although that does need to be told better.   As we're just touching upon here, I mean, there's just rivers of treasure in our past as a race that is not known broadly and widely and deeply enough by anywhere near the amount of people that need to know it. But in terms of the story that we want to tell from now, but we can't start telling that story because so many people in the audience   are spending more time,   putting energy into looking after people outside of their own people than they are loyal to their own   people. I don't know why they can't because who's gonna help everybody? If we're the helping people and we get wiped out who's gonna do the helping?  

I mean there's   you know these are harsh truths. It's a grown up conversation. Is it allowed in the communication space of England right now? Probably not.   This is relatively tame compared to how we used to talk ten or fifteen years ago. You know we're sort of we've I've   I know I'm conscious of self censoring. There's bits where I'd really like to unleash a lot more things.   You still we believe have a little bit more freedom of speech than us, but you can see the same process going on it's just in a different way doing different conventions to shut   thinking down all the time so that it literally fades from the memory. And it's a people without their history are a lost people, but it requires   doesn't it require some gumption and courage to get in there, which is a quality that people need to invoke? I mean that's   I just find it all the time. I can't get my I mean I can. I understand it logically, why people respond in the way that they do. They don't want to be a troublemaker.  

But I think they need to be troublemakers   because we're in so much trouble that your small amount of trouble is like a drop in the ocean. You need to get start practicing   telling the truth a bit more and become a scoundrel as Mencken said. You won't be believed but at least you'll know, at least your soul will be operating cleanly.   And and, you know, that's worthwhile if even if on such a small scale as the individual. That's how it all starts.  

[02:52:56] Unknown:

Right. And this whole idea, you know, to go along, to get along, and live and let live, and, you know, all this   kumbaya mentality   that   people are going to respond to you in kind,   and that doesn't prove out in the real world. And when you refuse to look at the evidence of it not playing out, then you get into that pathological   altruism of, you know, how   conditioned are you? How afraid are you to be called a racist or an anti semite or a bigot or all those other Pavlovian   control words? Because that's what those are magic spells that they throw at you to make you get back into line, like the Freemason   Masonic line, get back in line, they throw the magic spells at you to basically, oh, you better stop that   line of thought or you will be punished, and that by the government   and as the authority figure.  

You know, so   this is where we are.  

[02:54:02] Unknown:

I know. I was I mean, I heard a phrase the other day from an English guy, really good interview. I forgot his name now. I've just subscribed to him on Twitter.   Really good thing. And he was he was asked this question about being a racist.   I think it's a great word for discussions at the pub every night of the week, to be quite honest, because there's so much charge on it.   And he's, and he was making he was saying things   that I and many here are no doubt have been saying for quite a while. There's   no my stance is everybody's a racist. What does it but what does it actually mean? It simply means that you've got in group preferences,   don't you?  

Tragically, it would appear that a very large percentage   of effectively   subdued white people don't have an in group preference.   I mean is it too harsh to say that if you're not a racist you're a race traitor irrespective of whatever race you're in? What do you think?  

[02:54:56] Unknown:

And that's the reality of, you know, the civil war that we have going on in every white nation,   is the white people who have come to understand race realism,   and the white people that are still playing social justice warrior,   thinking that they're allies   with all the non whites against team white, and they don't realize that as soon as these people get power, they are going to be treated the same. You know, they don't care that you're a liberal. They don't care that you did all the right things and you recycle   and, you know, donate to the NAACP   or whatever.  

You're still   on that team. You know, your bodysuit   is your uniform in this civil war.  

[02:55:43] Unknown:

It's why I think,   spot on, absolutely spot on. It's why I think I found   scalp dance,   so focused in that area because the Indians lie. They lie   about what they're gonna do. The minute they're behind the bushes they're stabbing and killing people and cutting them to pieces.   It's like it's right in front of our eyes and yet for some reason   huge numbers of eyes that are in the heads of white people don't   see this. There's some   weird thing, I think it's weird, it's not the right word, there's some dysfunctional process that's built up in our people that stopped them responding in a healthy way to threats.   They don't   they now view themselves as a threat because they're not being kind enough. If only we were kinder   it would all sort itself out. Really?  

How much kinder can we be?   You know? And now everybody's concerned about migrants. Even over even while they say, oh, we're divided. There's still you get these people marching around saying, oh, they're all welcome here and this, that, and the other. They haven't got an ounce of energy for their own people.  

[02:56:51] Unknown:

And, yeah, that's what's   hard is,   you know, getting a 100 people together   to go   do a Saturday's work for   disadvantaged   family, blah blah blah. You can do that. Samaritan's Purse is a perfect example. You got thousands   of white guilt Christians out there   saving the third world and everybody who hates white Christian America,   and   if you try to get them to spend a weekend helping a family member,   the you know, that's out of the question.   You know, I'm not going to do that, you know, but I will go help these total strangers because I can virtue signal off of that. You know?   And that's probably how we got to reinforce our family units and our our own people, you know,   and that's what's slacking is everybody's putting their resource into people that want you gone, and that's   in a zero sum game, that doesn't have a good out outcome.  



[02:57:51] Unknown:

No. No. No. I agree with you on that. I think that's that's relatively straightforward.   It's how to bring more people   to at least sit in the back of the hall of a conversation like this. And we're being very   genial, I would suggest. We could be more volatile about the way we express these things, and and I'm glad that we're not doing that. I've been on my best behavior today. You are doing very well. We're very, very pleased,   you know,   because, yeah, you come into this weird space, you know. You try and point out to people who go, you do realize that sort of freedom of speech and the Magna Carta and everything   came from here, yeah it's not important we've got to love everyone.  

You just go what? Why do you think we're able to do what we can do? You know once you've it's this thing about speech again if you suppress it which is obviously what's going on here   to remove you can't say certain things, that's the beginning of the destruction of your culture because you haven't got people   that, you know, I'm a free speech absolutist,   absolutely,   You've got to let people speak and say things because if what they're saying is idiotic and stupid   then that will become self evident pretty quickly.   The more stupid it is the faster everybody realizes how stupid it is. But when you're suppressing dissent against that stuff and we are dissenters against the so called status quo, simply because we've never been invited to participate in it because we're peasants you see, what would you possibly know?  

You can put well we actually we've got a much stronger feel for the direct sort of energy of life amongst ourselves and I'm glad I'm a peasant. I've always said that, you know,   the only way the peasants are gonna   get out of the doo doo is through   fellow peasants. There's no other way to deal with this. Absolutely no other way at all.   Absolutely.  

[02:59:36] Unknown:

Well said.  

[02:59:39] Unknown:

Well said. You Frederick's been an absolute delight. I've loved it this week. It's been absolutely brilliant. We'll we'll have you on again in a month or so or something like that. And,  

[02:59:47] Unknown:

where can people catch you? Oh, thank you so much for having me on. I have thoroughly enjoyed this. You guys are great. I always enjoy this.   But, yeah, you can catch me on Saturday nights at the RBN Saturday Night Snack Shack at   republic broadcasting  

[03:00:11] Unknown:

radio soapbox at midnight, Saturday nights, just to let you know. We'll be back again same yeah. No. It's cool. We'll be back again same thanks to Eric, to Patrick, to Paul, and to our good guest this evening, Frederic, who's been brilliant. And to all of you in Rumble and YouTube, we'll be back again same time next week. Keep good. Keep safe and all that kind of stuff. Keep on   thinking, and,   let's get ready to, go food bonkers over 2026.   We'll see you all next week. Bye for now.  

[03:00:51] Unknown:

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[03:00:57] Unknown:

Bye bye, boys. Have fun  

[03:01:03] Unknown:

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