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In this lively episode of Paul English Live, host Paul English is joined by author John Hamer and co-host Eric Von Essex for an engaging discussion on a variety of topics. The episode kicks off with a humorous take on the passage of time and the atmosphere of a summer evening, setting the stage for a conversation that spans from the intricacies of writing and publishing to the historical mysteries surrounding the Titanic. John Hamer shares insights into his writing process, the impact of his books, and the importance of storytelling in conveying truth.

The conversation takes a turn towards the current socio-political climate, touching on the challenges of modern governance, the influence of AI, and the ongoing migrant crisis. The hosts delve into the power of humor in addressing serious issues, the role of conspiracy theories, and the importance of questioning mainstream narratives. With a mix of humor, historical anecdotes, and critical analysis, this episode offers listeners a thought-provoking exploration of contemporary issues and the enduring power of storytelling.

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Well, hi, everyone, and welcome back. It is, Thursday,   July 10. It's good job I've got a calendar on my screen here because I forget all these sorts of things.   It's a wonderfully warm, balmy, truly glorious summer evening here. Far so good to be doing a radio show, but we're gonna do one anyway because we love you all so much. Paul English Live episode 95.   Welcome to the show.   And joining us in about half an hour's time or so, technical trouser challenges,   given,   will be John Hamer,   an author of many, many volumes. And, if you're not aware of John's output, it's considerable.   Very large books and quite a few of them.  

And there's a link to,   the, the books below the description on YouTube   and on Rumble.   And here we are once more. Can you believe it? Can you? Can you really believe it? How long is a week now? I think when we started this, a week used to be about   about four days. I think it's down to about a day and a half now. It just seems to   go by, doesn't it? And, shout out to everybody in chat so far,   over on YouTube.   Low attendance so far, but it's early days. We've only just got up and warm, but good evening. It's that time of the week already. Indeed, it is,   says t p. And, a sunlit evening tidings to you too, Billy Silver and everybody else over in Rumble and XO and Woody Peak and Reconciliation   and Eric Von Essig, who he   and   me. Oh, I'm in there as well. So fantastic.  

And   and look, can you hear that? That's seagulls for atmosphere. If I open the door, they'll really come in. They were adding atmosphere to the show the other day. I'm actually what's the word? Is it inundated? That's actually to do with tides, isn't it? But I think it's it's good to mix up your descriptions. Yeah. We're inundated with seagulls these days. In fact, there was a great gathering of them this afternoon. I went for a a wonderful walk today down to the pier and back, very sort of traditional English seaside sort of thing to do. And the pier is about two and a bit miles away from me, so that was about four and a half miles this afternoon. It was great.   And,   I don't know whether this is a good or a bad thing. I think I mentioned the other week I spent five pounds on an ice cream. And, of course, people have been giving me a great deal of verbal abuse for that, just as they should. It was a ludicrous amount of money to spend on just one cornet but it was massive. It was very very big. Anyway, I had to walk past several ice cream vans today,   four, and I had to walk past each one of them twice. So that was eight. Eight, the eight temptations of Paul.  

And I don't know whether it's a good or a bad thing but I didn't buy an ice cream. It would have melted very quickly anyway because it's been very very warm here today.   And   XO says seagulls and any crammed boats, Paul.   Well, hopefully not. Not that we can see from here. I suppose if I get a telescope, I might be able to spot a few. But then we've got some gun emplacements here that were built just down the coast to fend off Napoleon. I'm serious. I think they were built about eighteen o five. Everybody around here got really paranoid and thought Napoleon was coming over and, by jolly jingo, he nearly did, didn't he? Anyway, somebody who is has come over, not from France but all the way from his pub,   the Fockem Hall Harms, the Fockem Hall Harms  

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is, Eric von Essex. Eric, hello. Good evening. And how are you on this rather warm evening? Well, I'm spiffing and beezer and all the lot. It's fantastic today, isn't it? It's a perfect summer's day. And this is what England is all about. Summer's day with ice cream and just niceness.   You know, like when you was a kid. Yeah. And, so you didn't have an ice cream today.  

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Do you need help? You know, do you need psychiatric I don't know. I just resisted really. Yeah. And you know, everybody gets them with a flaking, don't they? They always get a bit of chocolate in the ice cream, don't they? I don't. Yes. It's not that I don't like chocolate. It's just that I want all the ice. I want ice cream. I can get chocolate anytime. Ice cream. Yeah. I like ice cream. I really do. So yeah, I resort they weren't doing a roaring trade. It's Thursday. It's 04:00 in the afternoon that I'm toodling around. But boy was it hot. It really was. It was genuinely hot today. I'm actually slightly tanned.   I'll be the colorist.  

I'll look like the color as if I'm from a different race very soon the way this is all going. I can tell you. That's a brilliant idea. Yeah. Buy yourself buy yourself a inflatable boat for Margos  

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and get a free go out and come back and get and you can get yourself,   absolute free bed lodgings,   three meals a day, free of charge, and say you don't know where you're   from. Well, I don't know where I'm from, really, cosmically. None of us really know ultimately where we're from, do we? If you'd be looked after for a year, say you're a asylum seeker, and you won't have to spend a penny. It's top hotels. Lovely.  

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A nice holiday for you. Why not? So so ladies and gentlemen, listeners out there on WBN,   on, Eurofote Radio, on Radio Soapbox, on Rumble, on YouTube, and elsewhere that this show is carried. Don't say that we don't give you pertinent and rather useful pieces of information and advice.  

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Courtesy of Eric von Essex. Very good advice, Eric. Very, very sound. Thank you. And, XO says no jokes, Eric, about a a 69 and a flake. Yes. It was called a 69, wasn't it, the flake? Do you remember that? You used to go up to the ice cream van and say, hoping you'd shed light of 69, please. I think the audience is getting a bit unruly. They're trying to feed you stuff already to bend the conversation  

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to bend the conversation.  

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Sort of very polite. Yes. It is what it was called in the nineteen sixties, we was all very innocent people, and that was the name of an ice cream with a with a lump of flake in it. Wasn't it? That's called 69.  

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Yeah. Absolutely. There we are. Nothing rude about that? No. I you know what? I wonder if I'm by the way, quick shout out to, say, Rumble or YouTube. What's the sound level like? Am I overpowering   Eric? We we we are using a slightly different setup tonight because we were our hand was forced technically.   I've got a feeling that I might be overpowering   Eric in the mix. If anybody could just write that in and let me know if if it's a bit too loud. I guess it all depends where you you know, I get a bit paranoid about these things, Eric. You know you know what it is. I just spent three hours in makeup,  

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and, we had all these buttons to be done.   Then I was with Larry.   There it is.   There is. But the show's coming up, Larry. The show's coming up. I must get ready for my audience and all that.  

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You're doing also John Gielgud. Yep. So John Gielgud   is Adolf Hitler.   We must   invade Poland.  

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You know? Yeah. Yeah. It'd be good, you know, wouldn't they? And He would. If if he weren't if he weren't quite so completely and totally dead, which is a bit of a sort of impediment to him actually taking the role up and learning his lines. But,   still where there's a will there's a way. I suppose we could, put him back together again. Look, I've asked for everybody's advice now I'm not even I'm not even looking at the chat.   Adequate sound on soapbox, that's cool. Thank you. All sound is good and the sound levels seem to be okay going out. I think they are. I'm just, that's great. Fantastic. Thanks, everyone. It's always look. Can you hear me? That was my back there. That was yeah. Joint? That's my no. It's not really. My microphone stand.  

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Well, Mark Anthony, 72, and Geezy said it was a 99, not a 69.   Well, you know, you eat your ice cream your way, I'll eat my ice cream either. So there we go.  

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I don't know why we even bother with the bloody show. What's the point? What's the point, really, Eric? I mean, is there any point in trying?   I've been slaving over a hot studio mix all afternoon, but why bother?  

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Well, actually,   next time we go into a a Foggom Hall pub, you see, we've got several to go to. So we we I don't know where we could go. I was thinking we could go to the Ship and Shovel next week. What about that? The Ship and Shovel. You've gotta watch it now. Ship and Shovel. But, I mean, when I, you know what? There's a pub in is it Fulham,  

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Fulham. Right? Fulham. Yeah. Fulham. That's Southbank, isn't it Fulham? I think it is. I mean, I've all gone a bit vague. I should know because I lived really near Fulham for ages for yonks.   I had friends that lived in St. Wreathham,   usually pronounced Streatham but often if you're posh it's St. Wreathham. Yes. Streatham?   And my my I was up in,   North London but then I used to come down south to see the bird and everything and she was living in Putney,   Putters,   so Putney.   And one of the pubs over at Fulham,   the a very large and ever growing crowd of English types, that would be me and a couple of and, and my bird and and a few others, and then there were Scots and Irish,   they all used to drag me over to the shit as I used to call it. I'm sorry. It's a vulgar thing that I've just said, but I did used to call it that. It was a great pub, a Fuller's pub called The Ship over there. Packed. I think yeah. And these guys were really into talking to the landlord. Apparently, it was the biggest money pulling   pub on Fuller's chain.  

So they were absolutely coining it in, and it was a big rugby   a rugby place, you know, when all the internationals were on, and the Scots were always, you know, looking at me because they wanted to beat beat the crap out of the English. And I'm slightly indifferent about rugby. I still don't quite get it. Even though I played in the school team for two years, I'm serious. I played rugby for two years under Dave Kelly's   armpit in the second row. That's all. There's a song in there.   There was a guy called Dave Kelly on the second row, and he was a mature lad for his years. I was quite big. That's why they picked me at the time.   But he was huge   and his armpits were even bigger and they they had a sort of   they had a sort of odorific radius that sort of reached across the whole pitch. It was quite a thing. But I never even understood what I was doing really to be quite honest. And every time we scored a try and the rest of the team got all giddy, I was like indifferent to it. It's like, that looks crap. I'm serious. Every time I see a try, I go try harder. It never it never got me. What's your what's your response to ruckers? Are you a rugby type, Eric? Do you get into it? Not really. I hope you be right if you do.  



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Yeah. I was I was actually, forced into it when I was at school, and he just tested every minute of it. Couldn't wait to get off the pitch. Bloody Oh. But I I couldn't see any point in it, really. So, but, you know, it's it's played by,  

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men with strange shaped balls. Is it? It's a strange shaped ball I can't quite understand. Why can't it be round? Not any other not any other ball. Well, you can blame you can blame Tom Brown for that, for picking the bloody ball up at rugby and running with it. Cheat. Yeah. Dirty little cheat. You can't do that. That's all. Yes. Yeah. No. Those old mayhem games. I it was all about toughening you up. I actually Yeah. I didn't mind it in the winter. I know it sounds weird. I actually liked getting cold, wet, and covered in snow. We used to play in the snow as well and it was just to basically say, look you're alright and everybody goes, oh this and all the weeds it goes, sir, can we go to chess club? No, you get out there and get thrashed, right? But afterwards, you know, it was great because you have a hot shower. Yeah. We had hot water at school. It's quite advanced even in the seventies. Had hot water. Go home, have a big cup of milk, loads of malted milk biscuits dunked in so much they used to break off. Did you do that? You used to over dunk your biscuits? So they'd break off. Yes.   People know what I'm talking about. It's important stuff. I've told you something, a little something that,  

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for years people haven't known about, and that is where the, changing rooms were, they backed onto a cavity wall.  

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And it was a retaining wall, but Did you talk like this, Eric? When you were in school, did you talk like that in sort of architectural terms to your Yeah. Cavity wall or retaining wall. I didn't even know what they were until I was about 18.   I could just hear you talking to everybody at school, like like, as an architect's a sorry. Carry on. I disturbed you. It's terrible. Yeah. Anyway, what happened you see is a mate of mine. His father  

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was in,   explosives during World War two. Yeah. And he knew how to make things from, shall we say,   souped up fireworks   and sugar.   And, what was it now? Sugar and,   or something else. I think it was weed killer. And he knew he had to make explosives. And he used to put remember those cigar holders?   They used used,   they used to have was it Will's Whiffs? Are these cigar holders? Well, he made this thing up, and what he did, we had sort of bunked off spouts we got out of it we hid behind the sheds he decided to let had a long fuse   he he he made he had made a little bomb thing   he put it down the cavity   see   Nothing happens. So we thought, oh, it's gone out. So we put another one down there. You see? Yes. No. Must have gone out. We put a third one down down there. We thought, oh, what's happens? It must be going out. Then suddenly, there's this god almighty.  

And all of and all these sort of half naked people running out the chainring.   What the bloody hell is that?   It must have sort of shook because they the the the chain was built onto this wall. It must have shook it rigidly.   But the because what it must also there must have been methane down there as well because we saw loads and loads of smoke coming out all the holes in the wall.  

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Oh, that's nice.  

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That's cool.  

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Yeah. So Yeah. It's yeah. So it's me and my mate who was,   you know, he like blow he like blowing things up. He actually blow blew the toilet seat off.   And so what happened   is,   he went into the toilet and put one of his little cigar things underneath the seat and lit it.   And they'd locked the door and got out over the window, and we were sitting there with lessons. And suddenly there was   downstairs,   and it was sort of blowing the seat off the toilet.   I  

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like the sound of your school. This is a good Yes. School.  

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Oh, it was approved.   It was approved. So it must have been a good school. Yeah.   But, when he looked at him, you know, he had thick glasses. Yeah. He looked a typical sort of nerd.   He looked a bit like,   who's that geyser?   Oh,   Microsoft geyser.   Bill Gates. Gil Bates. It looks a bit like it. Gil Bates. Yeah. In fact, it might have been Bill Gates.   And he sort of resurrected in America, but no.   He he would he was he'd he was the last sort of person you would suspect of doing anything like that. But and, I think he became a chemist or something.  

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A chemist? Only for the weekend, sir. That kind of chemist.   Oh, boy. Yeah.   Hey. You know,   I was gonna play look. I'm I I shouldn't play you this because it's gonna it's just bad that I play this. You know about this guy called Greg Wallace? Do you know about him? Yes. I've heard of him. I've heard of him. Yeah. He's, he's got a slightly cockeyed mouth and he's a slightly aggressive persona in TV things. And,   I've just seen him on and off. I think he was Dragon's Den or something at some point and he's a bit sort of in your face and a bit sort of like that. Probably, you know, rather anyway, he's been up on charges for,   apparently,   running around in studios. He don't have any clothes on or something. I'm serious.  



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A flasher.  

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I wouldn't say that. I have no idea. I wasn't there thankfully and, never will be.   But,   there was,   there was this little clip played about him today and let me just play you this. Here we go. This is from,   I just caught this this morning on the news in between the Mike Graham show. This is just oh, it's only fifteen seconds. There's a little observation about him. And friends of Greg Wallace say his autism is partly to blame for his inappropriate behavior on MasterChef. They say he has autistic hypersensitivity.  

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Underwear because it's too sensitive to the labels and any tight clothing, the BBC fired the presenter earlier this week.  

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I still I can't deal with the labels on the underwear.   What kind of Oh, dear. Is that?  

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It's just fantastic. It's absolutely brilliant. Everybody's artistic now. I don't mean artists. They're all autistic, aren't they? All of them. Yeah. We've all got we all have to have a name that we suffer from. And by the way, I was going to mention the old Swedish chemist shop joke, but I think after 10:00 maybe. So Oh, we're all good. I won't be able to concentrate.  

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I said, I've gotta wait an hour and forty minutes for the Swedish chemist. It's not it's not it's not rude. I mean, it was said on television. Yeah. You say that about all your jokes. They're not rude to them.  

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Do do you want to hear it? Man walks into Swedish chemist shop. Hello?   Yas. Can I help you? Yes. I'd like some deodorant,   please. Yes. Would you like a bull or aerosol?   No. I just want it for under the arms. Sorry. That's a terrible one.  

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I like them, though. They're like they're like they're like vulgar,   slightly lame, but cheeky dad's jokes, and they're really good.  

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I ought to get my brother on here. He loves dad's joke. He's always telling me these jokes that really the the the whole gag is that the punchline's not as strong as it ought to be. Yeah. It's great. No. I quite like that. That's okay. That's pretty good. You see that? That was alright before the 09:00 watershed.  

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And I noticed   changing the subject slightly, you've got one of my favorite films   portraying, and that is Doctor Strangelove.  

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Is that what it is? Yes. I thought that was Masterchef.   No? I've got it wrong. Oh, bloody hell. I thought that was Bloody hell. It's Masterchef.   They've all just been making some croissants that I'm in a big discussion, and they're being judged. No. You're right. Of course. I am being, of course, facetious   and wrong. It is. Yes. Doctor Stanley. Stanley Kubrick's  

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best. I well, one of his best. Not the best, but it was a good one. I also think that,   that one that he did in Ireland was about the best, but he legged it because the IRA threatened him. What was the one that he did in Ireland? Tom Jones. But,   Not Tom Jones. Tom Jones, is it?  

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Barry Lyndon. Barry Lyndon. That's the one I meant.   He shot that in Ireland, didn't he? Part  

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of it. And the and the and what happened, the IRA were very,   strong in those days. And they threatened him. This was in 1972   or '73.   So he said sod. What exactly in these words sod that. He did the rest of it in England.   But the   cinematography   in that was absolutely brilliant.   And did you know they actually wore actual eighteenth century clothing that was made in the eighteenth century for,   authenticity.  

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Didn't they? And it was very expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I've only ever caught bits of it and every time I mean, it starts off with that duel, doesn't it? There's a duel.   Yes. There's dueling luck. Good grief. There's dueling luck. Amazing.  

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Yeah. There's a bloke who who throws up in it, and he actually did throw up.   Oh, nice. He wanted to act it well. Yeah. And he actually,   he swallowed  

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a raw egg, and that's what made him throw up. Yeah. It wasn't, that wasn't played by John Gildecott, was it? Going for authenticity. Oh, no. No. No, darling. You I had to do the throwing up. Dongle.  

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No, John.  

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We don't want you throwing up again.   I do you think he was the worst actor ever, I do? I think my mum did. Terrible. My oh, I understand him. He's just the same. She used to go he's the same in everything he does. He's just and he's always a la dee da.   He's always lovey. Okay. Lovey. He is a bit of a lovey. Yeah. There was him That a deal. Ralph Richardson.   Him and Ralph Richardson did,   there's this, radio series they did of Sherlock Holmes, which is not too bad actually. I think   John Gielgud is,   Sherlock. Yes. And Ralph Richardson plays   Doctor Watson and it's actually not that bad. I always thought Ralph Richardson was kind of sort of   slightly eccentric and a bit unhinged, and I was expecting to go off script all the time. There's something quite cheekily zany and mad about him. But, yeah, there was him, those two, and Laurence Olivier. And anybody else in the in the crew? Oh, so Larry. Larry. Yeah. Larry. Larry.  



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Dear,  

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dear Larry.  

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What good   was it Sir Laurence Olivier? I was in, well, I used to call it when I was a kid. Henry de Vay. No. It's Henry the fifth,   actually. And it's absolute historically so in a historically inaccurate is laughable, especially when he raises   his sword up in the air and tells there already a fire a shot. You want a Longboat. They could   they just lowered his sword so they could all fire at the Sator. With a longbow, you you could hold it for about three seconds and that'd be about it. Yeah.   And even though they were had really strong muscles, they still couldn't hold that longbow for the amount of time they showed you in the film.  

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But, I can't hold it. Yeah. I can't hold it. Yeah. I can't hold it. I can't hold it, dad. I can't hold it. Oh, twang.  

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But  

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there's a funny, you know, that scene,   from doctor Strangelove   Peter Sellers is the absolute   living image of,   oh, who's that bastard who stood by? Oh, terribly cryo. Before I was dead. It was that was like yeah. Yeah.   Kissinger. The absolute living image of Kissinger in that. And I'm sure it because Kissinger was unknown at that time. He wasn't that, you know, well known. But there's a fantastic scene where there's a punch up.   And as Peter says,   stop fighting. Don't you realize this is a war room?   Oh, some crackers in there. And that one when he phones through to, the Kremlin, and they're all drunk and all at a party.  

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It's Sterling Hayden's role. Sterling Hayden. My mom hated Sterling Hayden as well as well. I only remember the actor she really didn't like because these things had come oh, I can't stand him. I actually think Sterling Hayden's he's really good in that. And he plays the crazed American commander who's gone   off   off,   off grid as it were. He's gone bonkers. But that whole speech that he makes about water,   fluoridation. True that. He's absolutely spot on. Yeah. Of course he is.   Yeah. It really is.   And Peter Sellers is immaculate sort of RAF officer with that incredibly clipped tone,   you know, and all that sort of polite restrained manners. It's fantastic. It's a great sort of yeah. It's a brilliant film actually. It's really fab. I haven't seen it in years.  

Maybe we'll dig some clips up for later on. Oh, it'd be it'd be brilliant. And also,  

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did you know that, he was due to act the part that Walter Pigeon acted, and that is on the bomb, sitting on the bomb,   at the end. And he said to,   he said, look, I don't wanna do it. He said, I'm in too many roles on that. He said, I spoil the film.   Yeah. And he made out something so he didn't do it and it worked. And he went against the, what do you call it? To kill,   oh, hang on. Kubrick's,   wishes.   And Right. It turned out that,   Kubrick was wrong on that occasion   and,   he was right, because it would have been too much. He says it's overkill, is it? It'd be too much me. You know? Yeah.   But apparently,   Patrick said that Hayden was a communist in real life.  



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Really?   Yeah.   Well, that's not no. My mom's instincts were correct then.   Yeah. It wasn't a and a bad actor.  

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I mean, what we supposed to do about that? What we supposed to do about that? Yes. Now talk about Hayden. How Sonny Hayden, yeah, was a communist into real life. Was he? Played the Irish cop in The Godfather.  

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Yeah.   Wow.   That's a bit much.   He did, actually. Yeah. He's the one. Yeah. He's a bit nasty. He's a bit of a nasty piece of work in The Godfather, isn't he, really?   I think that must have been one of the last films he made. He's also in I think he appears in Kubrick's very first film which is The Hold Up or something like that.   Don't know if you've seen that one, but there's a film called The Hold Up.  

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No.  

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I thought it was that one, Paths of Glory, wasn't it? I thought that was that was that was with Kirk Douglas. Yeah. About the First World War. Yeah. There's one he made before that though. He made one even before that called Really? The Hold Up. Yeah. It's about some thugs hoping up a bookie somewhere or something like that.   And,   yeah. Let's see if I can find this clip. Hang on. If you hear me typing away, it's me actually grinding my teeth. Let's see if I can find it. Doctor Strangelove   fluoridation. That's the one we want. It's actually brilliant.   Yes. And it's true it's true actually what he says. Yes. Of course it is. Of course it's true. I wouldn't pay it otherwise. Let's have a look. Can we find it?  

Oh,   come here.   This is this is called last minute it is, everybody, when you think, well, it was just a clip. Oh, here we go. It's two minutes and forty one seconds. Are you ready? Perfect. Ready. Here it comes.  

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New Tresemme L'Melishine.  

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Oh, yeah. On that. Hang on. Forms thin L'Melishine.   Look at that. They're always putting adverts on. There you go. So if you want something for your hair, get whatever it was they were advertising just then. It's absolutely marvelous.   Marvelous stuff. That's really what we want.   La la la la la. Here we go.  

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Mandrake.  

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Yes, dear.  

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Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?  

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Well,   yeah. I   I can't say I have,   Jack.  

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Vodka.   That's what they drink, isn't it?   Never water.  

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Well, I   I believe that's what they drink, Jack. Yes.  

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On no account will a commie ever drink water,   and not without good reason.  

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Oh,   yes.   I,   can't quite   see what you're getting at, Jack.  

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Water.   That's what I'm getting at, water.   Mandrake,   water is the source of all life.   Seven tenths of this Earth's surface is water.   Why do you realize that   70%   of you is water? Oh,   lord. And as human beings,   you and I need fresh, pure water   to replenish our precious bodily fluids.   Are you beginning to understand?   Mandrake.   Mandrake, have you never wondered why   I drink only distilled water   or rainwater   and only pure grain alcohol?  

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Well, it it it did occur to me, Jack. Yes.  

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Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation?   Flouridation   of water?  

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Yes. I I have heard of that, Jack. Yes. Yes. Well, do you know what it is?   No. No. I don't know what it is now. Do you realize  

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that fluoridation   is the most monstrously conceived   and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?  

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Floridation,   everybody.  

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Spot on. Yeah. Wasn't it? It it was spot on. And perfect 99 said, did you know that Kirk Douglas's real name was Iser   Daniloovitch  

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I did. Denski.   Yeah. I did. So not many people know that. Yeah. We knew that. Yeah. I didn't know that. Think I'm turning into   stalinghurden,   sterlinghain   because I too Stalinghain. Distilled water for my precious bodily fluids.   And you should all look after your precious bodily fluids. Actually, I got some great I got a great bit of information through the other day about the water that's in your body. It changes inside your body. It's not actually water. Once the water goes in, your body does something to it and it's really amazing sorts of water. And you get the amazing type of water out of vegetables and all sorts of other things. There's kind of an electromagnetic   field that gets imprinted into the water   and and it's,   anyway it's much more interesting and complicated than I can possibly explain right now because I can't remember what I read. But I was slightly fascinated by all that kind of stuff as I also the the fact that the heart is not really a pump. It's a big sort of vortex machine or something.  

This would explain why babies who don't have a fully formed heart,   the blood is still pounding around the tiny little microscopic being, I. E. You and me, Eric, when we were we, very very momentarily  

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on our way. Things were already moving around. So it's all interesting stuff, isn't it? Isn't it fascinating? Anyway, so It's interesting. I mean, when I was a kid, I went to the doctors and he said, do you have problems passing water? I said, well, I feel a bit queasy if I go near the River Thames. But, anyway, that's that's sorry.   But,   really though,   it it is interesting. I mean, I think it's what 70 to 80% of us is water and also not water has memory.   So if you put negativity into it. I did an experiment once where I had three jars   of water   with rice in them.  

And I hated one jar, ignored the middle jar,   and loved third jar. Very difficult to do. And the one that I hated   was minging in a couple of days.   And Really? It's surprising. It works. Yes.  

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Well, somebody who might know a little bit about water but might not is, John Hamer. And I see that John,   prompt as ever, I'm saying that as if, as if we've done loads of these shows. The first time John's ever been with us, but has joined us in the studio. You probably seem too. Eric, John, good evening. Can we hear you? That's the first check. Let's do a sound check. Can you say something?  

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Hi, Paul. Yeah. I'm here. Can you hear me? We can. You're very, very quiet. It's very faint. Yes. Evening evening, John.  

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Hi. Hi, Chris. How are you doing, mate? Must have grumbled. We could hardly hear you. So, you know, it's   Is that any better?  

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No. Not re   no. I'm on full I've I can't I can't let me just hang on.   Right. I've got this is I've added 12 decibels. I've I've run out of decibels to add. Say something again, John.  

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Testing. Testing. One, two, three. Testing.  

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Well, I guess we'll just have to do you're very quiet. Yeah. It's very very quiet.  

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I don't know what else to do. I mean, my my volume on my laptop is way up, and,   I can't see that there is any other settings that   would alleviate the situation.   Okay.  

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I'm just Phone job?  

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What's that? Phone job. Phone. Because, well, I think we did it once before. When, John came on my show, we did it by the phone.  

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I mean, the sound quality is good. I'm just thinking about Yeah.   Here. Hang on. Let me just think. I've run out of extra volumes.   I'm I think everybody can hear you, John. It's just that we're probably overpowering you at the moment. If you just say something again.  

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Something again?   How does that sound?  

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Yeah. Let me just ask everybody. Is that acceptable to everybody? It's a little bit too quiet. I don't know quite what we could do really. I'm just   trying to find a way to boost you up.   What can I do here? What could I do? Oh, well, I now have to get it to go out on Soapbox a bit quicker, but to go out, a bit louder, but on Rumble let me just have a look, see what everybody's saying. It's alright. This is all part of the joys of live radio, John, so it's wonderful. Don't worry about it.   So quick shout out to everybody in Rumble. What's John's volume like? Is it is it sort of way too quiet too quiet? Yeah. We've got you too quiet.  

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How else could we It's more muffled. I think it's more muffled and and quiet. It it sounds as if he's speaking into pillows or something.  

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Do you wanna come in on WhatsApp, John, maybe?   Do you wanna bring you in on there?  

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You mean on my phone?  

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If yeah. If it works for you on your phone, if I mean, if you're comfortable with a phone stuck next to your head for two hours, it's up to you really. I just think you need to be comfy for such a a long haul.  

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Well, first of all, I ain't gonna be on for two hours because I've had one hell of a day.   I have I have been on a five and a half hour train journey and driven back five and a half hours as well from Blimey. Of all places.   Oh, no. So I'm absolutely   knackered.   I've been I've been to I've been to pick up a a new car because mine,   fell fell over in a heap, I'm afraid. So I had to, then the one that I wanted was, 250   odd miles away. So   there you go. So I had no option but to go now because it was it was in demand. So there you go. Right. Hang on. He's got a little bit better. John's,   sound got a bit better than, How's that? Is that any better?  



[00:37:29] Unknown:

Yeah. That's better. Yeah. That that's better. You know? Okay. Yeah. It's better to have volume with a little bit of muffle. Anyway, John, yeah, let's not fart around too much. It's okay. We can when we have you on again yet tomorrow,   teasing.   We'll sort it out. But   yeah. No. Anyway, look. It's great to have a knackered John Hamer here who's just tried to buy a car. Or did you successfully buy one, John? Is is that what happened? I  

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I did indeed and drove it back from Cheltenham. It took me five and a half hours, but, you know, there you go. Right. And so to Susie? What to Susie Quattro?   Susie Quattro died, I'm afraid. Oh, okay. She's not been buried yet, but she's gonna know, it's she's being repaired and gonna be sold.  

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So so what you got so what what what you got now? Did you get another another Citroen?  

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Lexus. No. I got a Lexus GS 300.   Lexus is very good. Yes. Yeah. Toyota, in other words. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. High end Toyota. Yeah. I mean, it drives like a dream. It's beautiful. Yeah.  

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Very nice. Swaddling around, you had a Toyota all afternoon, and you say you're tired. You you should have come back in absolute luxury. You should be totally refreshed, Jordan, full of fizz. I'll tell you what.  

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If if it had not been a luxury drive, I would have been collapsed on the floor now, I tell you. I left home at seven this morning   and got back at about twenty to eight.  

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So that There you go. And it's been warm today, hasn't it? Was it warm? Just a lot. Just a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It was about 34 degrees. Yeah. It's been fabulous. Absolutely fabulous. You're probably a bit too close to the mic now. Just a whisker away. Look at me.   That's what it's like when you get here, you know. It's like, I mean, I've just me and Eric were in makeup and stuff ages before the show all getting ready and all that kind of stuff, you know, ready for you to turn up. But, no, you were swanning around in your bloody Toyota having too much fun.  

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Indeed.  

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Well, it has fun. Yeah. Give me misery any day. Yeah. Okay.  

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If Just hang around here for another hour. We sure I bet we'll be able to dollop a few bits up. But, John, anyway, in a more formal way, of course, because we're very formal around here.   It's great to have you on the show. I'd heard you a couple of times on with Eric, and, of course, we talked the other day. And and I was talking to Eric about three or four weeks back and, decided to I said, what about John? And he said, sure. Yeah. So, you know, he kindly put us thank you, Eric, for that as well, for putting us That's okay. In touch. Even if he has been driving his car and all that kind of stuff, it's still it's still lovely to have you.   And,   I was just wondering, Johnny, you know, you look we don't need to stick on this part of it anyway but,   there may be people out there that possibly don't know who you are and without sort of asking you to rake over the entire coals of your life, the question I just wanted to kick off with was   how did you get into the writing lark? What is it   you you were involved in technology to some degree and then something must have pushed you over here, I'm assuming, or maybe it's a lifelong thing. I was just interested to know what your little sort of pathway is into this space of inquiry. Let's call it that. Yeah.  



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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah, you're right. I I worked in IT all my working life   until the very late nineties.   And,   I had an epiphany moment and kind of woke up to what was going on in the world. I'd always had a penchant for writing. Yeah. I had the card structure for it, by the way. And, you know, I   and I started researching   all the evil stuff that's going on in the world.   And, you know, began writing about it and getting articles accepted on websites. And then I thought one day, well, why don't you write a book? In fact, people have been encouraging me to write a book. So   I am now on book number 10.  

So   yeah. I I've I've been writing seriously since about 02/2008.   First book was published in 2000 early two thousand twelve.   Yeah. And, yeah, as I say, eight more since then and another one in the pipeline, which has just begun.  

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Okay. And can you tell us what the one in the pipeline is about, or is it is that a trade secret for now? Yeah?  

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Not not at all. It's got a working title of 100 degrees south, and it is a follow-up   to our currently best selling   tome,   60 degrees south, which I've co written with, my friend, Andy Ross.   And, yeah, it's it's it's had rave reviews so far, which is very gratifying.   And, yeah, we've we've begun the follow-up, this this last week. So yeah. Fantastic. Oh, that's absolutely brilliant. No. That's great.  

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I was just wondering from a sort of   quirk as well, from a sort of workflow point of view.   How do do you use just do you literally use your fingers to type on a keyboard? I'm serious. Yep. I'm I'm assuming that you must have done that twelve years ago, but do you still do that?   I do. Does it drive you crazy? Because it does make, you know, the clattering of the fingers on the cleaver. Doesn't it get on your nerves or something? Because I go nuts after about an hour. All that   how do you deal with it? We can  

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we can switch you can switch the clatter off, can't you? I suppose. Just my keyboard's silent. Is it? Oh, nice.   Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, no. It's I'm not a fast typer by any means. I do use both hands, but it's still a bit clunky.   Yeah. But, yeah, I'm I'm just an old fashioned guy, me, Paul, you know, and  

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I I I like to stick to the old stuff, you know. I've got to that kind of a Yeah. Sorry about that. Don't worry about that. That's just a bit of feedback. I just throw that in to throw you off beam. No. That's nonsense, is that? Forget that. That was me. My technical trousers fell down for about two seconds there. Yeah. Sorry about that. So I thought it was a hint to to to me for me to shut up, but never mind. No. No.  

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Yeah. So I'm,   I'm I'm, you know, being the age that I am, I'm, a bit set in my ways. So, yeah, I'm a I'm a very much a keyboard guy. Yep. Yep. Cool. Yeah. That's good. Well, I keep thinking about  

[00:43:25] Unknown:

I keep thinking about writing. I've written some I sort of used to write advertising and stuff and everything and every time I sit down after about an hour with clattering around with my fingers on the keyboard,   I don't like the sound. I'm really interested in this idea of just speaking to the damn thing and speech to text it and some of the latest software stuff just looks fantastic. So   I need to indulge a little bit in that but,  

[00:43:45] Unknown:

the the latest book that you've got going then, when are you expecting to have that sort of wrapped up? Will that be a little bit later this year or early next year? I'm just interested to know. Yeah? Yeah? Sure. Yeah. I would say I would say probably by the end of the year because the actual writing of it is only probably as daft as it sounds, it's probably only about 56 60% of the entire work. Right. You've got all the research beforehand.   You've gotta plan it out. You've gotta plot the story out. Because it's a novel, by the way. It's not a fact most most of my books are factual books, but this is a novel. Right. And,   and then, of course,   once it's actually once you actually think you've finished, you haven't. Because then you've gotta start reading through it about 10 times and correcting all the typos and all the grammatical errors, and then, you know, it goes on and on and on. And that process takes  

[00:44:32] Unknown:

almost as much, if not longer than the writing. Oh, yeah. The proofreading. Yes. It's the fun thing. Yes. Yeah. It is. No. I know I know that. I I know a couple of guys who are publishers. I know a guy called Dave Gehary down in Florida, and, and he's often, you know, if he's in the middle of that, you don't get to speak to him for two weeks. He's just grinding away line by line to make sure there are no typos in it and people Yeah. Yeah. Is it that important? I think it is that important because people just sort of hit a point and they go, oh, look. They couldn't even get that word right and it sort of undermines what you're trying to do. So   I think it's Absolutely. Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. But yeah. I tell you what I use though.  



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I have some software where it speaks back to you. So you don't have to read it. You just sit and listen,   and you pick up typos much quicker by listening.   That's what I do. Yeah. Right. I don't know if it's any help. Well, what what Andy and I did,  

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we're we did the proof read throughs, of course, but you can't pick everything up reading through. As you as you say, Chris sorry, Harry. As you say You can call me a gigabyte as long as it's not too late for me dinner.   Okay. She said. Alright. That's fine.  

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And remember, everybody, this is a family show.  

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You  

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know, it's a funny song.  

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Actress. I know. Well, it's a I've known you long enough. Yeah. Don't worry. What what what I was saying was we actually do a read through ourselves. We read it through to each other. So we'll take a chapter at a time, and we'll read it through over WhatsApp or or over, Zoom as it as,   or, you know, whatever. And, yeah, you do pick up you're right. You you do pick up much more errors and   inconsistencies   by actually reading it out loud. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Of the books you've done, I was just looking at them again to remind myself. I mean, of course, I've got your banking books, John,   and I've skimmed them. Please don't be afraid. I've got so many but I was That's fine. I really, you know, the scale of them that   it's all the banking books when I get them they're just vast. People just once they get into it they go but of the ones that you've done, of the clutch that you've done, the ever growing list, is there one   particularly that sticks out for some   particular reason, a quirk, anything that's more memorable for you, maybe in the work of it or what you thought the impact of it was or what you discovered along the way? Any one of the books that you you've done that you went yeah. That was quite a bit of a revelatory moment or something.  



[00:46:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, no. I think my first one, the falsification of history,   I get such amazing feedback about that, and the sales have just been phenomenal   over Right. Over the last kind of thirteen years while it's been   in publication.   And, yeah, everyone says   to me and that's everyone. That's an exaggeration, John. Do do do you choose your words more carefully? You're on radio. You can exaggerate as much as you like. Nobody can check it out, John. Go wild. Come on. Everybody in the world has said to me at one point in time Yeah. That that my book has been massively instrumental   in their waking up process as to what's really going on in the world.  

Fantastic. That one is falsification of history,   and it's very, very dear to my heart for that reason. Yep. It's the one that launched you into the space and the one that how long did that one take you to put together then? Being the first one? Time. Yeah. Two between two or three years. I had no idea I have to, you know, write and publish a book, you know, so it was a it was a a very slow,   learning curve, shall we say. Yeah. No. I can imagine. I can just I can just rattle rattle them off now, you know? Can you?   Not quite. But  

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And now and now novels, is there a re you know, I I've got an idea why I think you might be doing novels, but I'd like to hear from why have you chosen to stop putting the information in novel format? Let's call it like that. What was the thinking behind that?  

[00:48:15] Unknown:

That's a very good question. Yeah. About three or maybe no. About three years ago. About three years ago, I have a friend who's another Paul, not you,   and,   he said said to me, John,   your factual books are great, but why don't you write a novel? I said, well, why would I want to do that? And he said, for this reason. And that reason is, he said, a lot of people   will not read because of the topics, and they will just dismiss it as conspiracy theory nonsense.   He said, but if you dress it up in a novel form Yep. And drop thousands   of truth bombs into it, you're gonna get people interested, maybe,   in the topics that you're talking about within the novel, and maybe they just might start researching for themselves. And, you know, it's a good way of getting to those people who otherwise wouldn't read your work.  



[00:49:04] Unknown:

I think that's spot on.   I really did I mean, the more I think, you know, obviously, you start let's say you started off as a researcher. We'll use that word. And most of the people listening here on Rumble have got an aspect to their personality that that is that.   So you've got people that are always going you know, the people that have got more questions than answers and they're quite happy to continue to have questions, which I always think is a better position to be in.   And,   what I noticed and what I've noticed even when I was doing copyrighting and stuff and everything is that you can come up with lots of facts, but facts really don't sell   very well. Correct. It's not facts that sell. I've often thought that, you know, some of the most skilled writers are the old advertising copywriters. Of course, it's changed now. Electronic media has changed it, so you've got to get you've got fifteen second attention span on the receiving end of your messages and that's bang, you know, you've got to just do some it's different the whole sort of tone of the way people are communicated to. But I remember reading all the sort of old long copy ads by people like,   David Ogilvy and then even older than that in The States And it's extremely   persuasive writing that had a way of laying things out and turning them into stories and whenever it goes into stories,   it must be the case that people   pick up things more rapidly through emotion, through a feeling   than they do through facts. Facts just don't seem to stick but emotions, if you get people crying over something literally, I mean that's what Hollywood's all about, right? The emotional conditioning and control of the audience. It makes things very memorable and we've just been talking here about Doctor Strangelove   because it had a big impact because we've seen it. I mean, it's only a couple of hours long. And more people probably talk about films than they do about the books they've read. So I think, you know, that's obviously gotta be part of it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That's a very good point.  



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But, yeah, I mean, the point is that that,   when once you get labeled as I have been over the years as a,   tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist and not at all a factual person   Right. Once you get that reputation, people will just automatically dismiss your work without even looking into it in any depth whatsoever.   So, yeah, that was another reason. You know, dress it up as a novel,   and more more people are going to read it that wouldn't normally if it was a fact presented as a factual book.  

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I mean, I've gotta say that the main reason you're on is because you were referred to us as a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, John. That was that was the whole we think that's a big   no. Not really.  

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Well,  

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No. Oh. Oh, I'm disappointed now. Yeah. No. No. We love we love conspiracy theory. I don't think there are any, you see. I think it I mean, the phrase has stuck. People go so, I mean, whenever I get that one thrown at me, oh, that's just a con you're a conspiracy theorist. I go, no. No. No. No. I'm a conspiracy analyst. It's a big and you are. It's a big, big difference. There's actually a difference. And, of course, this is to do with the way people abuse language or have to go to a default position when you are about to deliver some information into their head that's gonna provide them with about   five years of cognitive dissonance. That's why people get upset. I mean, we all do. I've observed myself throughout my life. I go, no. I don't wanna hear that right now. I'm only 15 or whatever. And you defend against something because you you've got a sense that something's coming up about to up upend your entire world view, which it is, of course. It is. Yeah.  



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Yeah. Well, I'd rather be a conspiracy theorist than a than a than a coincidence theorist for that. I mean, because that's what all these people are who criticize.   Yes. They they just believe that it's everything's all a coincidence and it's, you know, you you know, you're just exaggerating and, you know, it's just it's just coincidental.   It's nothing to worry about. Nothing to see here. Move along. Yeah. Government is caring for you as always.  

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Oh, Jonathan, I'm so reassured when you say it.  

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I well, you know, I'm just that's just the kind of guy I am, you know. Oh, it's lovely. That's great. Nice sort of reassuring way.   But yeah. There you go. It is.  

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Did do you find a name calling, though? It's a bit like being back at school at a playground. You're a sissy. You're a this. You're a that. And it's exactly strange. It's a kind of childish mentality. Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. So it puts you into the likes of Davy Dyke when he is dressed in mauve on Wogan, you know. Oh, you're a Davy, you know, that sort of thing.   And it's it's it's really said by ignorant people   to Yeah. To silence you because what you're doing is ignorance.  

[00:53:19] Unknown:

Yeah. Exactly, Chris. I mean, the the for those out there who are not aware of where the act the actual epithet came from, It was actually coined by the CIA in the wake of the Kennedy assassination   for those people who questioned   and criticized   the Warren report. And somehow it's kind of stuck and become a catch all term for anybody who disagrees with the government's agenda, basically.  

[00:53:42] Unknown:

I mean, this way that they have of coming up with these,   phrases, let's or whatever we wanna call these labels,   they're very very effective. People don't realize how effective that they almost like a little switch in the recipient's head that just shuts them down. They immediately stop in terms of participating in the conversation.   A judgment is made   that actually wasn't really made by them. It's just that they've received it from elsewhere and they apply it and suddenly the conversation dies. It goes dead. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've noticed though I don't know if you have with the people that you bump into.   That sort of more intense   negative reaction in the past   is far less prevalent, certainly with the people that I tend to bump into. I think more and more people are showing the signs of the hidden question mark on the forehead than ever before which is really encouraging I have to say. I think that this I mean, numerically it's still in the minority but I think it's growing at quite a speed. I don't know what you think about that.  



[00:54:38] Unknown:

Absolutely. Yeah. And I and I think what happened   in the last five years has has kind of contributed massively to that, to be fair.   I've no you know, as part of what I do, I don't just write. I I I'm a public speaker as well. I go around talking to audiences and down the country.   And one thing I've noticed in the last few years   is that people give a specific reason   and a better a better I don't mention it on YouTube, but the reason that they gave was a certain event that happened in 2021 and 2022   '20 sorry. 2020 and 2021.  

[00:55:12] Unknown:

You mean COVID?   Oh, right. I don't care about the YouTube channel. It's fine. We can talk about it a bit. It doesn't matter to me. We're we're actually Yeah. Pretty contained. And if you all you have to do is speak in code, John, if you want to. Everybody here, most of the audience know exactly what we're talking about when we talk about these things. So it's fine, you know, it's absolutely fine. But yeah, I think the COVID thing   has changed a lot of people. I mean it was quite a devastating event psychologically, not in terms of whatever people say was going around and I know some people got ill and some terrible things happened   but I'm dubious about what they're attributing the cause of that to.  

But the main thing and we talk about this a lot, no doubt you noticed it, the the real concern   was the speed with which people put masks on and that I found really disturbing. That was really real. I thought, oh I really am in a zombie movie and I know I'm not alone in that. You go, oh if this herd of non thinking people who are going to comply with every instruction from government   take a dislike to me, I'm toast. You know, you have to be very careful. Yeah. Yeah. You I really sense that for the first time. It's a bit like the witches in the Middle Ages going, oh, she's a witch, you know, and going Yeah. Right. Better clear off. Can't deal with that. Really, seriously, I think it's that bad.  

[00:56:24] Unknown:

Yeah. But I mean, talking about the epithet conspiracy theory is just to kinda just plug back on onto that tack for a minute. Mhmm. I mean, that's just one of the things that I get called all the time. And I have this slide that I show on my stand up talks, and it goes like this. I say,   yes, John Hamer is just a conspiracy theorist, but not only am I a conspiracy theorist,   I'm also apparently   a racist, misogynistic,   homophobic, holocaust denying, antisemitic,   COVID denying anti vaxxer, and a climate change denying, anti science, flat earth loony, and extreme right wing terrorist.  

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I should bloody well up so too. You're in good company because everybody here Yeah. Has labels stuck on their foreheads and backsides too, John. So spot on. Absolutely.   Absolutely. Well, I always get a round of applause at that point, which is rather gratifying. Yeah. You should. Keep going. Absolutely. I mean, I talk to people this word racist is just a fascinate it's a fascinating word because it's the one who no. Don't call me that. But that's breaking down too. I can feel it. It's breaking down. I I get these conversations. Once you actually really go into it and if you address it in a calm way, which it needs to there's lots of pitfalls and little traps in the conversation that you have to sort of watch out for with the recipient Yeah. Because they're ready to react and I do understand why they're ready to react. I've got it. I'm thinking, yeah. If I was in your position all I'd seen is mainstream news most of my life and someone came up and started saying this to me, I'd probably throw a wobbler too. So you have to just back off when they're about to. There's no point because you can't. You just take them up to a point. You go, I think we'll stop now. You go away and have a go and chew that over for a bit, and when I meet you in a month, we maybe talk about something else, and it works. I mean, as a for me, it works anyway as an approach. I think it's But isn't it strange isn't it strange though, Paul? Sorry to interrupt.  

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That all those terms, all those,   you know, labels, if you like, all those negative labels that I've just mentioned,   they're all designed to shut down anyone who speaks out against any any element of the prevailing agenda. Yep. Each one of them has its own specific purpose, and it's got its own little niche that actually shuts down conversations.   So, you know, if if if I, you know, know, if I get a clues queues to be in a climate change denier, you know,   that's it. End of end of conversation. Somebody who comes out with those words, I've got nowhere to go. And, you know, I can I can only say I can only reiterate what I've been saying in the first place? But at that point, people have shut down anyway, so it's pointless. Because I'm just a climate change denier, for example.  

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Well, that that word, which is applied to more than just climate change, that word denier   is very effective. When you break it down, it's saying the person who's saying that is saying, look, the assumed   truth that everybody knows, that's that's what the the the the truth that every we all know this. You're denying   the truth,   and and that's a word that's being coined specifically, whereas it's not. You're really not a denier. You're a climate change questioner. I'd say, no, I'm just asking questions about it. Am I not allowed to do that? Can we not question a thing? Are you saying that we can't do that? I mean, if you're saying we cannot question a thing, how are we possibly gonna discover what's coming up next week? You're gonna keep asking questions for the rest of your life. And I I tend to think that most people   on very simple level have chosen convenience   over the temporary   discomfort of asking uncomfortable questions   and it's getting really on a micro level with each individual is because at school what were they were what were they told? Shut up, stop asking questions. Hang on. Exactly. How much do you also learn out? And that exactly. I was just gonna say that. They've actually been programmed throughout their entire lives  

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to to not ask questions,   to accept the mainstream point of view.   So anybody who goes against that, it jars in their brain, and they can't cope with it. So that's why that's where the labels come into their own because they can, you know, use them as a cop out. You're a racist.   You're a COVID denier. You're an anti vaxxer.   Yeah. You know? So it  

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it's it's brilliant, really. I mean, you gotta tear your hats off to these people, devise this stuff. You know? They're not they're not stupid people. Even though they're We're not stupid. No. They're not. I I always I think there was a a comment really, you know, you talking there about that thing with the CIA conning the phrase conspiracy theories. I've got a document somewhere kicking around that,   they worked out there was some kind of internal report in the CIA that the most effective way to condition a people is through having them read things.   Reading still, books, is still the one that's the deepest sort of programming   because most people tend to read books in an unconscious   state. I don't know what that would be, theta, beta, alpha waves, you know. They've got the descriptions for all these sort of states of consciousness that you're in and I think they're valid as well.  

And I think it it is that. I mean, they use they use the visuals and the sound for emotional, which is very powerful.   But I think the the the deep stuff is through the words, and we can go back to Orwell for that because Orwell was   right on the money,   you know, with all that stuff, all these observations with regards to that. Anyway, we're just coming up to the end of the first hour, John, at which point I tend to play a song. We do a bit of station identification. It's that sort of gig. Right? And,   seeing as how, we were talking about how you write things,   I don't think you write them like this but this is a very old song.  

Actually when I say very old I think it's nineteen fifties this. Yeah, it's the nineteen fifties we were talking about the other week. It's by,   who's the Leroy Anderson and his orchestra from America   that you'll you'll you'll have all heard this before. We're gonna play this. We'll be back. I'm here with John Hamer and Eric Von Essex. We'll be back after this short break. Go and have a no. Don't have anything. Listen to this. It's great.  

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And welcome back after that short sharp and really rather brilliant little track and obviously John that that you that would have been you if you'd had a Smith Corona typewriter I'm assuming right? Fingers fly like Well if I've been about 94 years old, then yes, probably. Yeah. Well, don't worry. You will be one day. I I love the sound of typewriters.   Yeah.  

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Well Lovely. Have have you ever heard us typing, Paul, in full pelt? Because that's what they used to have.   You know, horrendous noise.  

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Yeah. That's what you don't get now. That all died, what, about thirty years ago? Ah, it's quite an exciting sound, really. I always quite like I I I quite like it. And we've talked here about the speed of things with typewriters and stuff. I mean, this is a boring fact, but the keyboard layout was laid out for speed and they used to jam all the keys up, and that's why we ended up with this QWERTY layout, which is awkward intentionally for your fingers.   I remember looking at these more speedy type,   typewriter layouts that they invented, but no one could get used to them because we'd all learned QWERTY as we grew up. But cracky little song, that, the typewriter song, fantastic. And,  

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sorry. I didn't mean to chime in. No. I am because I'm but did you know the one word you can spell along the top rank of the typewriter?   Go on. Is the word typewriter?   I thought it was  

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I thought it was qwerty u e op. It is qwerty u e op. T y p yeah. You can actually. It's got all the letters on to spell typewriter. T y p e w r I t e r. Yes. It's all there. Alright. My dad was in the trade, and he said there was a very embarrassing incident once where the mechanics used to go out servicing typewriters  

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for,   you know, lots of big companies and that. And there was a a a lady that was, shall we say, well developed in the chest area,  

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and she kept complaining.  

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Just did.   And,   and she she was she was very angry because the courage kept sweeping across, and she was typing.   And, the mechanic was too embarrassed to tell her, Scooby, dear, it's your bus that's hitting the bloody, what do you call it? The space bar. And so that was happening. It was a bus and,   you know, that and that was the days when people were a little embarrassed. I mean, nowadays, it's just, Scooby, do your, boobs written in a space cabal. But,   no, they and, it took Your magnificent  

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bosom, madam, is causing havoc with the typewriter return return carriage system. Yeah. Well, probably today, she would claim for bruising, no doubt, and injury, typewriter injury. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Anyway,   the golden days of typing. Not much of a topic is it really? Anyway, swiftly moving on.   Ah. Ah. The,   no the the novel writing approach I think is,   right. Just coming back tapping back into that. Now that I've read novels recently, I've I was trying to read one that I can't remember if I tried to read one recently. I I just end up sort of plunging back into sort of historical stuff all the time and I've got used to it and I've forgotten about the magic of novels when they do transport you into although the other week we were talking about those great I was anyway, back on about these great Russian novelists and and all that kind of stuff. I learnt so many   so many interesting new words when I started reading all those guys, when it's translated into English, that kind of stuff, and that develops your vocabulary.  

But in terms of formats, John,   so you're a writer. You're going out doing public speaking.   You know these short, blasty,   forty second YouTube video things? Have you ever   thought of, looked at, or been approached by anybody to sort of start parceling some of the nuggets of of data that you have in your books into these little sort of teasers from of a better It would like any nugget from my any of my books would probably last about thirty seconds on YouTube. So no.   Right. But that's exactly the point. Have you seen them? These are literally thirty second videos and they're,   people are grazing them in huge numbers.  

I I'm I'm just interested in people's attention span. I mean, we were talking earlier about reading and I think maybe when I was talking to you the other day I was talking about this.   You know, there you are. For example, you've produced those two banking books. The first one's what 700 pages, the next one a similar sort of length.   And I've been thinking   okay   do I know people I mean I've lent books to people that are sort of pretty big and they've all come back. They go I can't finish it and I'm going what are you? A baby or something, you know. But it sounds a bit cocky. I do understand it require you have to cut some slack in your life. I think what's happened with the smartphone   more than not the PC.  

The PC is cool still or the desktop thing because you're you're using it there. You're sending a signal back to yourself, I'm here to do work. But the smart phone is this invasive technology   that's absorbing everybody's sort of attention all the time and this sort of, you know, do you think people can focus long enough to absorb information in a long format?  

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Again, good question.   I don't know.   I don't get any complaints. Nobody ever comes to me and says,   I'd love to read your book, which is too big for me. I've never heard that. But I'd you know, it's possible that there are people who who feel that way, but they don't say it. So, yeah, I take the point. But, again, you know, most people  

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who do read my books say they really enjoyed them. And, you know, despite the lengths kind of thing. But there you go. I don't know. I came across this cracking little quote which is about three paragraphs. I wanna read bits of it out. It's really interesting. It's from a guy called Andrew Sullivan   who, I think I've read a lot of his stuff a few years ago. I don't think he's as active at the moment but he's got a Substack account and he wrote this about the AI thing which I find quite interesting. He said, for Facebook and Google and Instagram and Twitter,   the business goal quickly became maximizing and monetizing   human attention   via addictive   dopamine hits. Attention they meticulously found   is correlated with emotional intensity,   outrage, shock, and provocation.  

Give artificial intelligence this simple knowledge about what distracts and compels humans.   Let the algorithms do their work, and the profits snowball.   The cumulative effect, and it's always in the same incendiary direction, to,   is to mass detachment from reality. Do you think that that's got some sort of   legs as a comment?  

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Yeah. I think that that's probably very true. You know, and people have said to me, why don't you use AI to create your story? And I just think that is absolutely cheating.   Any silly sort can do that.   Any silly sort can do that. Tap into an AI,   software program, and just give it a few bits of random information and say, there you go, mate. Yeah. Create a story, and it can do it in about three seconds, apparently.   I know. And, yeah. Yeah. And I just think, wow. I'd be ashamed of myself if I did that, to be honest too.  

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Yeah. I think anybody yeah. Well, I know a lot of people use I mean, businesses are using it for this sort of mundane email response and all this kind of stuff and everything. But Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say, John, that because you come from the North, right, we've we've always had something better than AI up north, which is OI. And I think OI is way, way better. The sort of the the completely cynical response, I get you bloody joking, aren't you? OI. Yeah. OI. Yeah. It's actually superior to AI.  

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Yeah. Although And I haven't thought about how much. That's a good question.   The the Northern  

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Yeah. The Northern How much? How much? I say it all the time. Do you I use it all the time down here with all these Southern checkout ladies. They're all whatever they say, 17 per how much? I said and then I I would take quite seriously. They look at me slightly aske as I'm only joking. It's okay. Here's your money Yeah. Or is it money? I say, and I want to go over another one. What is it I've just given you?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All that kind of stuff. Another one that another one that confuses those dastardly southerners   is,   another Yorkshire phrase. Tin tin tin.   It isn't in the tin. Tin tin tin tin. Yeah.  

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It's not about tinting.   Now if you're a southerner, I've got to apologize for John's rough Yeah. I'm sorry. Just the I'm a savannah.  

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I'm a bleating savannah. Well, that's that's the payback for being called northern monkey a million times a year. So are they? Yeah.  

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Have you We're not from Hartlepool, Hartley. You're not from Hartlepool? Have you called him a northern monkey, Eric? What's going on? Is this No. Because he's not from Hartlepool. See if he's from Hartlepool.   Because a very a Napoleonic monkey, aren't you? Yes. Yes.  

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Yeah. The monkey hangers. That's what they call people from Hartlepool, monkey hangers.  

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Yeah. The hangers of monk now some people may not know what the hell we're talking about. So Not even I do. Yeah. I don't really. You do. You do. Anybody wants to I'll okay. I don't have to hook if anybody wants to fill them in, someone take the mic and let them know about the Hartlepool monkey hangers.   No? Any takers? Me. Yeah. Right. We'll do it.  

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I'll do it. Right. Okay. Yeah. During the Napoleonic wars about two hundred years ago or just slightly more than two hundred years ago,   a   a ship docked in Hartlepool Harbour, it's on the Northeast Coast Of England,   and a monkey, a pet monkey, escaped from it. And the people of Hartlepool had never seen or heard of a monkey because this is a long, long time ago. They they were illiterate people. They couldn't read books. They didn't have zoos in those days. There was no discovery channel showing them all the wonderful wildlife from Africa and and other places during the so they didn't know what this little creature was. They actually thought it was a French spy.   Because they didn't know what a Frenchman was either, because they've never seen one of those. They thought it was a French spy, because it was dressed in dressed in clothes, you know, with the monosy clothes.  

And then, so   and so they tried   it. They couldn't speak English, obviously, so they def that definitely confirmed it was French, and, in their minds. And, so they hanged  

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it. Poor little bugger.   And it's true. It's a true story.   It is. It's true.  

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It's true. Yeah. It's absolutely true. True or false? It is.  

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I'm that's true. Yes. It's absolutely true or false. And the Harley peep Paul peep will are very proud of that. They you know, they hung a French spy. So, you know, don't upset them.   Yeah.  

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So I so that is the origin of that abusive term that southern Southerners sometimes deliver at Northern you Northern monkey. Right? That one. I don't know whether it's the I don't know whether it's the origin of that. But yeah. You know? Yeah.   Southerners use it a lot, Northern monkey. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I just say I'm a Northern git. I just say, no. I'm I'm actually a Northern git, and they oh, yeah. That's right. So I I don't mind. It's alright. I think if you take if you take the abuse out of their mouth before they've had a chance to deliver it, they know that it's not gonna go too far. That's the that's the way you actually undermine you you insult yourself so heavily. I think this is why foreigners have a big problem with us. Right? Because   we sort of laugh when we're insulted.  

We go,   well, yeah. I've grown up with that. That's what it's all about. Yeah. Exactly. If you can't take insults and throw them out, what you're doing? I mean, it's just based on that. Verbal abuse is is a byword for the English language almost. Yeah. But the best comedians  

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come from up north.   I mean, Bernard Manning, he was from Manchester,   and a lot is from Liverpool and Ireland.   Yeah. There's not that many southern   comedians.  

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When it's okay. It's all being shut down now now because the the those comedians used to exist on insulting people,   which is now   no longer allowed in our politically correct word world.   Yeah. You know, you know, they used to call people   names now that would not be,   tolerated   by today's,   you know, gentle little flower   generation.   No. You know, the, they just wouldn't because it's now considered   abusive,   racist,   or whatever ist. But it's definitely a menace on the end of the word, whatever it is. It's because  

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Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. It's No. It's okay. I chimed in because I'm rude like that. Sorry about that. I was gonna say is that they're they're terrified of humor because they don't understand humor, and they know how powerful it is. Because Ceausescu was brought down by humor. People laughed.   And he actually banged comedians, so they did a miming act, which was even more funny.   Yeah. And   so but that I never forget. There was Bernard Manning. He used to have his own,   what was his name? He had his own club, didn't he? And he was there on the mic, and there's a bit of a kerfuffle going on in the back of the room. And he says, good evening, sir. Good evening. Oh, aren't you with a beautiful woman?   Blimey. It's better than the old bag you was with last night.  



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I remember seeing you know, obviously, everybody's heard of, Roy Chubby Brown. If you haven't, you're in for a Yeah. I don't know if treat's the right word. You're in for something sonic. And I I said, I first heard him on a on my mate's tape recorder in 1979   when we were the back of a transit van going down to Newquay, which is not far from where you've just been, John, eating too much ice cream a few weeks ago, I understand. And,   it was it was amazing because I'd never heard such vulgarity   and every single foul word thrown in all at once   and never has anybody said the c word so funnily. He says that you know see you next Tuesday. It's very very funny and,   about a year later we were of, I'm on the East Side Of Leeds and there's a place called the Garfeth   working men's and minors club. They still had all these working men's clubs up there and it's only about three miles and Roy Chubby Brown was on on a Friday night so we went to see him. And what you said, John, was absolutely the case. There was a little old lady down at the front drinking two halves of Mackison, stouts that is, like Guinness,   And he just basically verbally abused her all night, and it was hilarious. And she didn't mind at all because she was part of the she became part of the act. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he didn't hold back. And that's what made it so funny. It was extremely rough and abrasive   and it's almost like everybody's going insult me next. It's like I don't mind you don't care and it's a great way of breaking down sort of people being precious. Anybody that gets precious   you know, you you're in for a hide in. You what you can't oh, that's offensive.  

You don't wanna be saying stuff like that. You'll get absolutely lathered. My mom always used to say, if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined, and that's really what it's about. Oh, yeah. But but  

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when when it's right, but I mean, Mel Brooks,   who I don't rate very much as a comedian, he did say one true thing. He said, humor is bad taste, and it is. Humor is bad taste. Yeah. It is. It is. It's that awkward moment. That's why well, Eric, you know, as a master of the humor that comes from the lavatorial  

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realm,  

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you would you'd you're a living proof of that, surely. Yes. You're walking up to that little edge of bad taste and hopping around on it. And sometimes we'd plunge into the abyss, and other times we'd escape back to sandals.  

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That's really what's going on.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah.  

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But, but I think the skill of humor is gone now because, it used to be about innuendo, all double meaning, all the time. Yeah. So that children could hear it, and it wasn't rude because they wouldn't understand it. But adults would be off their seat with laughter. And and that's the thing. That skill has gone.  

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You see well, last time Comedians sorry to interrupt, Chris. I was just gonna say, comedians   are just awful. I'll just switch them off for me. They're just absolutely dreadful.  

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Well, they're not funny. It's not funny, ain't it? It's not funny.   It's a bit of a problem if if it's not funny.   It really you know, back in the, I was working in London in the eighties, and you know that there was a sort of, an increase in in sort of stand up comedians or spontaneous amateur nights. They were all over the place in these sort   of wine bars. That was it. Wine bars sprang up everywhere, probably up north too, but a lot of wine bars and it used to be we'd work and we'd go down to this one   in Kilburn   where I was based at the time and I remember going there one night and this guy so he didn't have a stage, everybody just stood on the floor and this guy sort of moves to a certain part of the room and starts doing his thing and he had this sort of massive cavalier hat on which was his way of getting visual attention and all that kind of stuff and he was really really bad. It was just awful. All this energy and not one ounce of wit, nothing, no engagement with the audience, just blasting energy out everywhere and,   a guy   behind me very quietly during a little lull said,   why not try a joke?  

I just thought it was the funniest thing. Why not why not try a joke? God, just try one. Yeah. And it was yeah. I thought, that's it. I think we better go now. Poor lad. You know? Yeah. It's a it's a bit of a beating you take emotionally when you don't hit, and many of them don't hit at all.  

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Well well, one of them   one of them, took over from a very bad comedian. He said, it's Hubert, Jim, but not as we know it. Yes.  

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And that was actually it. Yeah.  

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But, Yeah. No. That you're you're right. There isn't any good and the other thing is the old comedian   old comedians   learnt timing because they did all the work in men's clubs   and the tough places. Yes. And they learnt the the their trade. My uncles, they learned their trade. They knew how to deliver a gag.   That that they've, you know, that it took a long time. They they said there's like an apprenticeship   that you you did where you work you did hear yourself walking off the stage where people didn't laugh until you learn the timing and things like that.   So yeah.  



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Yeah. Brezel Blitz in YouTube,   even   says that Roy Chubby Brown is doing a show at the Mecca in Swindon.   Not far from me. Swindon, that's in Wiltshire. Right?   November 28.   Yeah. How about that? I don't know how old he is. He must be knocking on a bit now. He must be late seventies, early eighties.   But you can't tell because he always looked ancient early on. Yeah. He always looked pretty ancient early. What's his name? Roy Royston Vasey. And that lent his name to that town   in that comedy sort of cult thing. Legal Gentleman. That's it. Yeah. Royston Veyser. Legal Gentleman. They named it after him. Yeah. Brilliant stuff. And he actually did he made a cameo appearance in it as well.  

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Yeah. As the mayor of Royston Veyser. Did he? Yeah. Oh, I want to be He did. Yeah.  

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I want to read something from one of your books, John.   Okay. But you didn't write it. It's a quote. I just want to write this quote. One of the returning themes here is usury. Right? So we always have a little bit where we talk we usually talk about usury, don't we, Eric? Always. Because it's just like Usury with it. Yes.   Repetition's key.   And this is a good one. I'd I'd had this I was just going through the whole of your books today just marking a couple of things up and just having a look at stuff.   This is a little lengthy but it's great apart from which the guy that said it's Sir Frederick Soddy, an unfortunate name but this is a really excellent little quote. Right? It is. I mean after he ended so he hangs around with Rutherford, splits atoms, gets bored and goes I'll just work out what's wacky about banking. Anyway, one of the he wrote a very it's quite an intense book about banking. It's not actually the most readable of books but this quote is excellent. He wrote this. He says, the whole profit of the issuance of money has provided the capital of the banking business   as it exists today.  

Starting with nothing whatever of their own, the bankers   irredeemably   by a trick. This money comes into existence every time the banks lend and disappears, very important that, every time the debt is repaid to them. So that if industry tries to repay,   the money of the nation   disappears.   That is what makes prosperity   so dangerous as it destroys money just when it is most needed and precipitates a slump. There is nothing left now for us but to get ever deeper and deeper into debt to the banking system in order to provide the increasing amounts of money the nation requires for its expansion and growth.   An honest money system is the only alternative. Frederick Soddy, 1877   to '19 '56,   English radio chemist who received the Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1921.  

That nails it. It's a very exact Absolutely. It's a very exact quote. You don't need much more than that in a way, although it's it's good to have have the other stuff. Yeah. There's a there's a great meme that I use in my standard presentation that I do about money, and it's based on the the old,  

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everybody's heard this one. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. And then I'd follow that up immediately with give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.  

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Yes.   Yes. And what and that's what they're doing right now.   That's what they're doing. Right? That dynamic that Soddy's addressing there though is another one of these hidden vices that's in this system.   It's an amazing thing. People don't realize. But because what have the government said to all of you your entire life? Economic growth. They're always talking about it. Economic growth. They're talking about it this week. Right? The the solution to our problems I heard someone this morning being interviewed on Mike Graham   going into this old, old thing, and I'm going, good grief. This thinking is just ancient, wrong, plain wrong, and mad and won't solve anything. And, you know, I've got to come back to, what's his name? Godfrey Bloom when he stood up,   in the European Parliament and said, the problem is, you twats, he should have said that.  

None of you understand how banking works.   Banks do a thing that if you and I did it privately, we'd be locked up.   Yep. Why is this not on the news every night as a public information service? It's gonna be on radio. That's why if we can get these these little things all wrapped up, got so much work to do, but they need to be repeated like on the hour every hour and now here's the same message you heard an hour ago again because we need to drive it into your head you've got to get this this is the number one in my view right the number one pragmatic plague that has infected all of us.   The idea so, you know, what's the point of getting prosperous?  

Because you all the money you're using to create your prosperity is carrying interest on it. So you're just gonna be in an even bigger hole in another three years' time. And there's another economic crisis and the government say, oh, no. You need to vote this party in now because they can sort it out because they turn up and they go, what are the Labour people been going? Oh, there's a £12,000,000,000 hole or something. So what? So what? It don't matter how big it is. The numbers are irrelevant. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I mean, preaching to the converted here, I'm sure. But, yeah, the banks, they don't use any form of legitimate accounting whatsoever.  

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The, you know, their accounting systems are completely fraudulent   because they don't use double entry bookkeeping. They create money from nothing. Yep.   Yep. You know, they they they add it to the credit side of the ledger without debiting it from the debit side, without sorry. Taking it away from the debit side of the ledger. Yeah. Yeah. That's just a very, very   simple glib comment, but it's it's true. And and it and it's and it's what's commonly known as fraud.  

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I think it is. Theft, I think, is is really what it is. It's just plain theft, you know. Fraud's another fancy term, but you're right. I mean, that's the word that they would use. I mean, it's a bit rich, isn't it? When you've got three blokes here down the Fockham Arms without a pint who know more than the entire political class or at least more than the entire political class will ever let on. I mean,   because they don't have a full stock of the actual true knowledge, I I believe this by the way, the political class don't have it, they've got a a sort of pared down idiot economics version in their head,   They're never gonna have discussions that are ever gonna be able to address the root engineering problem here because I've never heard it ever ever. I mean, you know the thing, obviously, John, question time by the BBC. I've said here before, have you ever heard an actual question on it in forty years? I haven't. I mean, one that counts. No.  



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No one says, you know shut it down. No. They don't listen to it because it's hard to strike. Of course. Have you Have you ever tried to explain usury, though, to a person?  

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Because   that but my I found that, fifty fifty,   many people don't get it. You explain and it's very, very simple. All it is is making money from nothing. That's all they're doing from,   it's fraud.  

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It's it's charging interest on lending. That's what usury is.   But the the thing is that they've changed. They've used they're using Orwellian manipulation of words. They've changed the meaning of usury over the years. The, I think   a nineteenth century version of the Oxford English Dictionary,   just simply said, defined usury as charging money at interest. But now if you look at the Oxford English Dictionary, it says,   charging money at unreasonably   high rates of interest. Yeah. That's that's completely distorted the actual meaning of the word. Spot on. Yeah. The the another word they use is excessive.  

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I think that the church on when Calvin was, saying a little bit of usury is okay. No. No, mister Calvin. Absolutely. No way. He was contravening about a thousand years of good teaching from those organizations. I'm not massively impressed with organized churches but it's swings and roundabouts. There's good people being in those places.   And so they use the word excessive.   It's not. It's any amount and it used to be any amount.   So I I even liked a more simpler definition which is usury is the charging is the charging of money to use money. It doesn't matter what it is. You pay a fee to use money. Hang on just a minute. Yeah. And I know we know that they've got their percentage interest rates. I mean, it's got it is absolutely   ludicrous. Of course, they're gonna try out I don't know what the what's the debt here in The UK? £3,000,000,000,000   now is it or something? I mean, it's just It's pushing on to 4 now. It's pushing on to four now. Yeah. Jolly good. Yeah. Yeah. Jolly good.  

They they can't how are they ever gonna come up   with with solutions when they're not asking the right questions? So there's that old phrase and this is part of this media control, if they get you asking the wrong questions, it doesn't matter what answers they give you and that's an entire sort of paradigm for the media is that all the so called questions are phrased as a question. You look at prime minister's question time. It's a bloody tea party for monkeys. People from Hartlepool, they've got a field day if they go in there. Those are your bloody monkeys, mate. Throw them in the Thames.   It's just mad. You're right.  



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Yeah. I don't know where we go from here. But the thing is, it's it's it's it's just pure ignorance, isn't it? That that that's Yeah. That's how it how it survives because   Henry Ford was correct, and I can't sort of repeat it verbatim, but you probably know what I'm going to say. He said if people knew the truth about the bank banking industry, there'd be a revolution before tomorrow morning. It's spot on. Exactly.  

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It's the greatest and most profitable scam the world has ever seen. If you get a mortgage from a bank, you'd be paying it back for twenty five years or thirty years or whatever it is. But if you rob a bank, you'd be out in ten years. So if you need any more financial advice, just let me know.  

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I like that.  

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Yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah. That's a good one. Yes. Don't mind jail have we got the solution for you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.   I just I saw that the Irish have got some islands over on the West Coast which is probably pretty rough   with these uninhabited   old crofters   places. You can have one and they'll give you $80 to do it up if you wanna go live there. That's one way of getting away from everything but it does look a bit bleak and I would imagine it probably receives   there's probably at least two hundred days a year of rain   out there on the West Coast Of Ireland. It must be just,   you know, if anybody's looking for a free house anyway, I think there was something in the mail online the other day about that Irish company. They give you $80 to go and get your house done up. I don't know how you get the builders out there, but you can go live there and, I don't know, use seashells for money and stuff like that. They probably wouldn't have too much usury if you moved over there. So,   yeah.  

I also noticed, John,   this wonderful quote you've got from Mencken   and if people are not familiar with H. L. Mencken,   then it's a gap in your education, I would suggest, which is a bit stern to me like a schoolmaster but it is because Mencken's absolutely fantastic. He's the first really great, truly withering, sneering   journalist at the political class.   Absolutely tremendous.   He just is. And this one here, which people will have known, but I wanna just read it out. It's very brief. Shoden the other one. He says, the whole aim of practical politics, and we're living under this right now, is to keep, and we've always been living under it, is to keep the populace alarmed and hence clamorous to be led to safety, that's the key bit,   by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary, all of them including the economic ones, the war ones, all of them are completely concocted scenarios   to create fear and to herd the masses into some stupid condition like COVID   was, obviously.  



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Well, if you wear a mask, it caused, causes bacterial pneumonia.   So a lot of people went down with something nasty because they wear a mask all day. Did you say mask or a basque?   A a mask.  

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Oh, a mask. Sorry. Not a mask. M a s k. Yes.   An mask. No. No. A mask because it's got an r in it, surely.  

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Mask. Can you tell that John's from the North, Eric?  

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Oh, ma oh, yes. Yes. Yes.   You're a bit slow on the uptake there, Chris. It's alright. Oh, yes. Chris, you probably have a bath, don't you? I'm getting on a bit. When I'm down south, I have a bath. But up north, I have a bath. Yes. Hi. I do resemble. I have a bath. Yeah. And also, we're posh down here because we get out in the bath to do a wee. You see? That's where we're Oh. You know? You're posh. That's the difference.   Yeah.   And we don't wash our socks. What   we don't wash our socks while shower in a bath as well.   Oh, no. I  

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I wouldn't dream of doing that. I do mine in the shower. Yeah.  

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We're thrifty up north of it. We have to make do with all bitter water we've got. You know? You can do everything all in one go. It's,   it's an economic Well, we're a bit thrifty here.  

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We have we're a bit posh. We have bubble baths, but you have to eat a tin of beans beforehand.   Right. Very funny. Let's think about that. Yes.   Mhmm. By the way, we haven't mentioned your book, John, Behind the Curtain, which is an excellent book. Talks about tally sticks and things like that, which people are unaware of.  

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Tally sticks. Yeah. They're a very interesting concept. They were legal currency for several hundred years from the middle age well, not actually from the end of the dark ages right up until the eighteen eighteenth.   Even into the early nineteenth century, tally sticks were legal currency.   And the way that worked was,   it they just took a piece of wood, like a piece of oak twig   off a tree, and it and it was about maybe one or two feet long. They were all different landscape. They're always all just bits of wood that they found. But what they did was they actually put carved notches into them, unique notches into each one, and then split them down the middle.   So that that was a way of saying, this is how much money you've got in the bank,   and the only way you could prove that you got that money in the bank was providing the other half, and they will put them together when you went in to get your gold out or whatever.  

And, if it matched, then yes, you're entitled to that amount of gold or silver or whatever precious metal.   So, yeah, it was very, very,   very simple idea, but very,   yeah, very, very well thought out. I mean, obviously, it had disadvantages.   Obviously, usually inconvenient to carry, you know, sticks around with you. A little bit inflexible   and Yeah. Also non transferable as well. But,   yeah, it was it was an interesting concept.  

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It was. It's got crypto beat. I also thought it was very interesting that bit that you put in,   I think it's the same book when you're talking about tally sticks,   about the Irish guy whose name was Furlong.  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fast. Right? Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. He was, he was the guy who,   was supposed to be tending the boilers in the,   in the old houses of parliament before the policy of Westminster.   And,   he fell asleep or something, and the fire got out of control and burnt the bloody flies down along with all the tally sticks   that people had the after.   So that was quite, that was quite, unfortunate.   It is. All complete. I thought it was deliberate. That could have been a false flag, you know, John. I'm just thinking about that right now. Yeah. I was when I read it. Jolly Louise. Yeah. I was familiar with it, but I was flicking through and went, oh, yeah. That one. And I'd forgotten his name was Furlong, which is interesting because it's a measurement of length and all that kind of stuff and Exactly. Quite interesting. Yeah. And, of course, he managed to achieve what what Guido Forquez did not achieve. He did. She's got Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So never don't send a don't send a Yorkshireman when you need to send an Irishman to burn down the houses of parliament. It's something like that, isn't it? Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. I saw a great I saw it on a on a similar theme. I saw a great meme the other day. Well, I've had it quite a while, but I I actually posted it on Twitter. And it was just a picture of the I don't know what that road road's called along the road where the House of Parliament and Big Ben is, but it was like a photograph taken of that and some bag that put one of those yellow roadwork signs   on on one of the, up against one of the islands with the bollards on. And it said, in bold black letters on a yellow background,   gunpowder deliveries first right. And I thought, fantastic.  

Yes. Yeah.   But so you're  

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you're also an expert on the Titanic.   I get that sinking feeling that you you are. Yeah. I'm not thank you. I am, but I don't like to, you know, blow my own trumpet. You know? But I am actually. I'm an expert on it. The expert? But I bet you I've got a story here about, that even you may not know about. Yeah. Okay. Which I found out over the last week   Yes. The boilerman   had a pet cat,   a stray,   that had kittens.   And it was nice and warm in the boiler,   placed the knees to feed the cat. It would have been nice and warm in the boiler. Yeah. That's right.   Not not literally, ain't it? And the cat took each one of its kittens   along the bank gangplank or wherever and took it off   the Titanic before it sailed.  

Right. And the barlerman had a funny feeling, and he didn't sell.   And the cat must have known something.   Because the kittens were saved, the cat was saved, and the boilerman was stowed.  

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Yeah. Strange, isn't it? Yeah. Well, another interesting story in a similar vein about the Titanic was that all the,   what we could call the transit crew, which actually took it down from Belfast where it had been built and tested,   down the Irish Sea and around the corner   of Cornwall,   along the Southern Coast of England,   and,   up the Solent and then up Southampton Water to Southampton where it was due to make its maiden voyage.   About 100 of those people, and it would there was a 100 people on the transit crew,   not a single one of them signed on for the main voyage.  

And bearing in mind, that was in the midst of a huge coal strike. Nobody had any work. Nobody in in the seafaring industry   had any work. And, of course, in those days, there was no social security, no dole.   If you weren't working, you didn't get paid. You starved or you relied on the charity of friends and family.   But not a single one of them signed on for the maiden voyage.   I wonder why that was. I can't Yeah. Do you think they knew a thing or two, John? Do you think maybe in workman's cafe canteen, they probably said, I don't think so. They must have known. Exactly. Well, ex exactly. Because, obviously, the guys who who built the dump thing knew exactly what was going on. I mean, I I I actually,   when I was doing my research, which took me about two, two and a half years   to on the Titanic's   the real Titanic story, not not the garbage that they tell us. Yeah. I actually put a   an advert in the Belfast Evening newspaper, the Telegraph, Evening Telegraph, I think it's called. Anyway, that was it. I put, an advert in asking for the families or the descendants   of any of the ship workers at that time if they wouldn't mind being interviewed by me. And three people replied, and I I duly flew over there, made an appointment to see them,   met them in a pub, not altogether   individually,   and they all told me the same story. And that was that   their fa their grandfather or great grandfather, whichever one it happened to be,   had actually been warned by the shipyard, by the by the owners of the shipyard,   that if they ever breathe the word about what was actually going on behind those dock gates, that not only would they never work again   anywhere, not just at Harland and Wolff,   but anywhere, and neither would any of their families.  

So, you know, that would have been a death sentence in those days. Yep. So, yeah, they all told that same story. And and apparently, one of one of the families said to me, that up to fifty years ago   well, this will be sixty years ago now because this is over ten years ago. But up to sixty years ago,   children in Belfast were still being taught the story   that Titanic and Olympic were switched in the schools.  

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In Belfast?  

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In Belfast. Yeah. They've obviously put a stop to that now, but that was the case up until sixty years ago.   Yeah. The the children at school were taught that if the the the the ships have been   sunk, and it was the Olympic that went down and knocked the Titanic.  

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Do you I mean, John, I've not read your book on the Titanic. Insurance job.   Alright. An insurance job. But it also seemed to,   you know, was it two birds with one stone potentially? You've got the asters on there and that other big family.   And those families, as I understand it, were in opposition to the formation of the Federal Reserve.   And,   so they were they'd they'd got most of the opposition to the Federal Reserve on this boat, this massive ship.   Do you think that that's a key part of why it was organized you know, not only did they get the insurance, I mean, it's akin to the Twin Towers with Larry Silverstein  

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putting out that colossal insurance policy. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. Because they they actually when they when they switched the the identity I'm giving the story away now. Damn. People aren't gonna buy it now. Oh, they may do.   Yeah. Not only did they switch the identities of the ships, but they upped the insurance.   White Star Line used to insure their ships for about 7075%   of the value. I don't know why, but that's what they did. 75%   of the value,   but the the insurance on   Titanic stroke Olympic   was up   from Yeah. 1,800,000.0,   which doesn't sound like a lot of money in today's terms, but it was an absolute colossal fortune   in a 100 and nearly hundred and twenty years ago, hundred and fifteen years ago, whatever it is. Yeah. Colossal fortune. So they up the   two weeks before the ship sailed, they up the insurance   by   almost 50%.  

Right. And, yeah. And then Lloyd's of London, who were the insurers or the brokers,   they paid out within two weeks of the disaster. And when asked why they paid out so quickly,   they said, well, it's obvious that it happened. There's no there's nothing to investigate.   Not, oh, we well, yeah. Well, we know it happened, but why did it happen, and what were the circumstances? Mhmm. Yep. Nobody asked that question.  

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And They just paid out. That's good. It just bit like as you say. Except for like It saved the White Star Line, didn't it? Because the White Star Line was it was bankrupt. And it actually that insured it. Are you wrestling with a munchy, Eric? Because we're getting lots of mic stand   sounds. Sorry. I'm just I'm just I'm sorry about that. I'm just adjusting it. Is that a euphemism, that wrestling?  

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It is now.   I said it quite innocently tapping into the heart of the world story. But now it's already bent off. You're on the same persuasion as Eric. Everything's got that double entendreism  

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to it. But yeah. Yes. I had a bit of trouble with my microphone stand. Yeah. I could tell.  

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As Chris would say, you gotta have a laugh, ain't you? Yeah. You do.  

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Bye. God. You've got to have a laugh. You do. But You do. You said about White Star Line. Because I I thought it saved the day before. I thought they because there was there was, you know, there was a I mean, it saved them from immediate bankruptcy, but, yeah, I mean, they were bought out by Cunard in the very early nineteen No need to swear, John.  

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Cunard.   The Cunard line.   They were bought out in the early thirties or late twenties. I can't the exact date escapes me. But, yeah, they were bought out because they were no longer a going concern, and it was and it was partly the Titanic thing that that sunk them,   he said. That's very funny, isn't it?  

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Is there is there any I I'm very vague on this because I only read an I read an article years ago about this and, of course, I didn't clip it and keep it.   Something to do with the presence of a Jesuit priest   at the Quayside either in Southampton or in Ireland   that was involved in some part of the plot to take it down.   Is there something in there about that? Yeah. I can't remember his name.  

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I actually don't mention that in the book. Alright. What the hell was It was called something Brown.   Anyway, I can't remember his name. But, yeah, the the the I the reason I didn't mention it was because my research didn't turn up an awful lot about it. But I've heard the rumors that he was   intrinsically involved in masterminding the plot.   You know, a lot of people think that the Jesuits are behind everything   including,   you know, banking, etcetera.   I don't know whether that's true or not. Again, it's not something I've gone into any great detail with. It's possibly true. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. But, yeah, he actually boarded the ship at Southampton.   That's it. And I, you know, again, a few people don't know this, but Titanic actually made two stops.  

You know, when it was Southampton, first of all, they went to Cherbourg in France. Mhmm. Picked a few people, dropped a few off, and then it went to,   Queenstown in Ireland, which is now called Cove, C O B H, pronounced Cove,   and dropped a few people off there as well, and one or two people got on it as well.   But, yeah, he he he boarded at Southampton   and departed,   to Queenstown.   Oh, yeah.   Whether that's suspicious or not, I don't know. It's very wrong conclusions, really. Yeah. I don't know.  

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What about the gun battle? I mean, that there was,   also, there was,   I haven't found   much info well,   there's there's no real meat on the bone with this, but apparently,   there was said to be a gun battle on board  

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between It wasn't so much a battle. It was William Murdoch   Mhmm. Who was the, first officer. So So he was like the third in command. There was a captain, the chief officer, then Murdoch, who was the first officer.   He apparently shot quite a few passengers,   then was so,   appalled at what he'd done.   He turned the gun around himself.  

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Well, this was after after the after the ship was going down or after they knew it was mortally wounded or whatever, he started he had to shoot a few passengers, did he? Yeah. Because they were they were they were challenging the lifeboats. You know, the third class passengers were,  

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were, you know, the ones that had escaped from down below because most of them were locked in. Yep. You know? Yeah.   Yeah. The ones that were,   roaming freely,   actually,   swarmed the lifeboats, and they were gonna, you know, they were gonna cause, you know,   a disaster of their own rather than, you know, the ship sinking.   So he started shooting them. He warned them to get back a few times. They didn't take any notice, so he fired a few shots in the air, and then he started shooting them. Mhmm. And then it was so remorseful, allegedly, for what he, what he'd done. He he shot himself.  

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Yeah. Not a good situation for anybody. You don't wanna be the idea is to not be in those situations, but I guess they didn't have any choice by then, did they? I suppose you must have felt if you're one of those people that alighted at Sherbrooke,   I wonder how they felt. That'd make an interesting film.  

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You know? Well, there's one or two people that that whose stories they they had premonitions about it being a   a disaster   and, didn't didn't decided not to board at the last minute. Wow.  

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Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's a strong in the memory because, obviously, you know, they made the film about it, didn't they, with all that singing stuff, not singing stuff, that song, and what's his name?   Leonard DiCaprio and all that kind of stuff, which all the women They've went in. Yeah. All the women just loved all that because they loved all the love story. They just loved it as a family. It was it was designed for that, wasn't it? All that kind of stuff. But Yeah. But,  

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yeah. I mean, there are nuggets nuggets of truth in that film. Very small ones, but, you know, nuggets of truth in it. Yeah. Other individual little incidents were did did have a ring of truth then. Yeah.  

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Well, the orchestra   playing,   is Yeah. That's true. Is there. And, one of them went over and said, where's the arpist? And he said, well, arpist over there. Sorry.  

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Under there's never any time when a good joke won't but can't be told.  

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There's no time when a joke yeah. Any time. We're all about to die, but Eric, if you go jokes, yeah, this reminds me. Yeah. Yeah. It's alright.  

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Bloody hell. Yeah.  

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So, yeah, it was, read my book, folks. It's called Lauer Miss Olympic, and it's available on Amazon.   And if you live in The UK, it's available from   my website as are all my other books. So What is your website, John? John, what's your website?   It's called,   the address is falsificationofhistory.c0.uk.  

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Falsificationofhistory.co.uk.   Okay. Cool. Correct.   If I'd known, I would have put that in the show notes, but I'll add it in afterwards. That's great. Thank you. No. No. No. We we got to do that sort of thing. I mean, you're the first proper you're the first author I've had on, I think. I don't think we've had anybody that writes books.  

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Oh, well. Yeah. How about that? Yeah. We are a rare breed.  

[01:51:01] Unknown:

Well, yeah. I guess. I guess. Yeah. To some degree. I mean,   I've got no shortage of them but I like I said recently I've just been thinking about formats,   about attention span with people and really looking at that. Also, you know, the AI stuff is quite interesting in the sense that,   like with your books, have you considered have you thought surely someone must have mentioned it to you. I don't know whether how viable it would be that they're turned into audiobooks.   Has that thought run across your head?  

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It has indeed. Now most of my books are too big to be audiobooks because there is a limitation on the number of words on, you know, you know, the length of them for audiobooks.   So most of them fall into that category.   Now, the ones that don't fall into that category, the latest one, sixty degrees south, which I said before I wrote with Andy Ross.   Andy is very meticulously   created   or is in the process of creating, just finishing it off, an audio book, which will be on Audible on Amazon,   very, very soon. Interesting. In the next few weeks. Yeah. But as for the rest of the books,  

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honestly, I I just don't have the time to do it, and I certainly can't afford to have them done professionally because it costs an absolute arm and a leg. Well, let me drop a little tidbit of an idea in your head because I think you might be able to afford to have them done. You're right because I've narrated two and yeah. And and   it takes about whatever hours you get in the can.   It's times that by three in terms of the workload, and then you've got to charge for it because, you know, you've got to pay your bills and stuff. So it's expensive.   I get into because you don't know what the publisher's gonna sell at the other end, and it's, you know, it's an upfront cost. You gotta you know, you can't do it. But Yep.  

Although this might sound anathema to you, I I think it's worth   checking out. For example, there's a a one of these,   AI voice things is called 11labs.io,   I think. Eleven Labs. Right.   Now what you could do, and it's much more cost effective, although I don't know what they charge per character, but it's still a lot less expensive than using an actual narrator,   is,   you would do a voice profile of your voice. So, basically, you'd record yourself speaking   in for, say, five minutes. You submit it.   It creates a a voice profile of you. You then feed the text in, and it'll turn it the whole thing into an audiobook in your voice. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. It's amazing. Me a link link for that. I will. Yeah. I'll I'll follow. It's absolutely amazing. I I bumped I met up with, I mentioned it here before. I met up with David Irving,   about eight months ago, back in the last year, September, something like that. Good grief. It is nearly eight months ago. Ago, probably even nearer than   that. And,   because I've narrated a book, I narrated Nuremberg The Final Battle,   because,   I made contact with his grandson who's in charge of the publishing there, went up to London, met them, recorded the book, did all that thinking, oh, now I'll become an audiobook narrator only to find out that AI basically is gonna take that right out. And he was telling me at the time that one of the big publishers, Collins, is it, or something, their entire catalog is going through this process.  

Anyway Wow. What what they did was they took David Irving's voice from multiple video performances, which you can get on YouTube and elsewhere, although you can't get them as easy as you could say fifteen years ago. After the great sort of throttle back and demonization of everybody about, think, it was 2017   with Amazon. They took a lot of books off and stuff like this,   and they create a voice profile of David. And all I've heard is the advert, the promo,   which is in his voice saying, hi. This is my AI voice. It's absolutely amazing. I'm saying it's really really good and it's a lot less expensive.   You probably get the whole thing in the can for under a grand   and probably maybe 5 or 600   per book that is It all depends how long it is so but yeah you you could do it you you would even just be able to test it out on the freebie account so I'll send you the information on it because   I think people do consume audiobooks. I don't know it's funny I've recorded them and I read books but I tend to not listen to them. I'm a terrible advert  

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for the idea of it, but Yeah. Some many people do. Say some few people come up to me and say, did is your book in audiopharm?   I said, no. I'm sorry. No. It's like, oh, that's a shame because I I'd really love to read it, but I'm a bit dyslexic and I find reading quite difficult   taking it in. And so, yeah, it's great for people like that. And obviously, of course, some blind people as well, you know, it's Yeah. Perfect. I mean, isn't it? Is there any way they can do it? It is. Yeah. Yeah. Be great to do it. But when we tried the artificial Amazon voices, and they're bloody awful. Oh, yeah. It sounds like a robot right reading it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. What is the thing every time I look, every three or four months when I go back and have a look, it's just come on leaps and bounds. It's getting  

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I went to their site a few weeks ago. You know, like, when you go to a website, you get a pop up box, you interact with it with text and you type a question and they say hang on and and someone's talking to you in text, right, like a chat room.   Well theirs is an audio chat and you talk to this artificial intelligence assistant   and it's amazing.   I mean, seriously,   it's sort of silly. I went, this is getting silly now. This is really silly. So he said, talk to me. I'll understand what you wanna say. I said, I'm looking for this. He said, oh, yeah. Okay. Hang on. Let me go you wanna go over here? It just talks to you as if it was a human being, and it's getting better and better or maybe worse and worse depending on how paranoid we want to be about tech. Yeah? Yeah. I think it might be,   you know. It's, it's scary.  

It is. It is. Well, I was   looking,   I was looking at something today by Geoffrey Hinton. Have you heard of this guy? He's he's a British guy, English guy, born in Wimbledon Nineteen Forty Seven, Geoffrey was.   And he's reckoned to be, or they bill him as, rightly I think, as the   grandfather of AI of neural network learning in computers   and he's in his mid to late seventies now. He's just retired recently, a couple of years ago, from Google which is where he was employed   because he wants to speak out about this technology that he's a prime contributor to creating   and he's concerned. Right.  

He's very very concerned about what's coming up.   Let me just see if I can find this little article.   Where was this?   No. I can't. You see this is it. You get everything ready. You can't find the bloody thing when you want it, can you? You know what it's like.   But he was his chance what he was saying is that he reckons within the next   that the chance of AI wiping out civilization   in the next   twenty to thirty years   is   ten percent, possibly as high as twenty percent. And in the interview, he was saying he can't believe the speed with which it's developing. Even he can't. He said and one of the little analogies he was talking about, he said,   it'll be the first time where something is around   that's considerably   more intelligent than we are in terms of its facility to marshal knowledge and intellect and understand it, right, and to use it in that way. Right.  

I mean, I've always sort of described it as a glorified tape recorder in many ways, which is me being northern and sort of dismissing it a bit, but I'm not. I'm quite serious about there's another part of my brain that's that's fully acknowledging what's going on.   And he said it the relationship, he said, would be pretty much,   oh yeah that was a great analogy mate. He said there's no example   in nature,   where the more intelligent   of a creature is subordinate to the less intelligent. He said he said except in one instance   which is babies.  

Babies get adults to do everything.   They're less intelligent but but because of the relationship between parents and child, you know, decent parents I should say, I know that it's not always the case, then the parents will do things for the child even though the child is not as intelligent in terms of the way that we measure   it. He said this he said our relationship with AI is going to be pretty much the same, he said, between a parent and a three year old baby, he said, but we're the three year olds.   He said so, this has got to be he I think he just received a Nobel Prize,   or some massive prize at some big gig recently, and his speech is really interesting. He strikes me as a very honorable man the way that he talks. That's why he left Google because he had to speak out against this that he's been part of.  

And this is often the case as well, you know. Yeah. I did create an atom bomb, but now I'm telling everybody not to use it. This is over. This pattern goes on. It goes a lot in banking as well. They sort of run the Bank of England, then they go retire. They go, right. Now I'll tell you what we've really been up to. It's terrible. Why didn't you do something about it when you're in there? Of course, they can't do anything because they get killed. I mean, literally, that's what's gonna happen to them.   So,   but, yeah, it's a warning shot across everybody's bows about what might be happening and there's a I'm not I'm not a user of it. You know when you were saying about an hour back that it would be cheating to ask it to write all these things, and I I completely agree with you. There's something not right about it that I don't like. Of course, we may be completely cast aside by technological advancement and no one will give a fig, and that's a definite strong possibility that that's gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a thin end of the wedge, isn't it? I mean, you know,  

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I I foresee a day, sadly,   when all books are written with AI and and authors just become redundant just like every other person in the workplace will be if AI gets its own way eventually.  

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Yeah.   We're coming to the end of the second hour and we're about to leave WBN   and, so all the listeners on WBN will be back again at the same time. We're gonna carry on after this break. You're welcome to stay, John. I'm I'm, I know you might wanna get I am going I'm going to gracefully bow out if I may. And with my apologies, I am absolutely I'm I'm my brain is shutting down at the moment. That's absolutely fine. It's been brilliant having you on. We'll have to do it again in a Thank you. Few weeks time when you're all revved up and ready to go. Yeah. It's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Enjoy your car. I've really enjoyed having you on tonight. It's great. And I'll get in touch with you with the AI stuff and all that kind of stuff with regards to books and the book reading. So brilliant.   Thanks, guys. That's fantastic. Falsification of history.co.uk.  

John Harmatt. Thank you very much, John. Been great having you on.  

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Thanks, John. Bye Paul. Bye. Chris. Bye now. All of us. Bye bye. Bye now. John Hamer, everybody. Okay.  

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Well, let's play a little song.   How about   this is called the syncopated clock by the same composer. I thought it was the constipated clock at first but let's do this, okay? We'll be back again with you at the same time next week. We're carrying on after this wee little song.   See you in a few minutes time.   The syncopated   clock by Leroy Anderson. So clocks and typewriters.  

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Nice that, isn't it? Do you find that cheery? It's it's lovely, isn't it? Yeah. So sort of was it the, constant sorry. The syncopated  

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clock. I see. Yeah. The constipated clock maybe. Do you think that's a good pub name? What do you think? Good name for a pub? The constipated clock. As soon as good as better than the ship and shovel.  

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It's better than the ship and shovel, you know. It is. It is. Yes. Or the Elton John where you, you can actually get there by a back passage.   And,   yeah, I had a pint there. Everybody in case you hadn't noticed.   Yeah. I I had a pint there. I got a real bum deal. You know, that's that's the trouble, isn't it? You you didn't  

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You know what? It's really I don't know what it's like. It's really warm. I've got the door closed and everything. I wanna let the seagulls in. Actually, they're I think they've gone to bed right now. And I've got an ice cold cider in the fridge, and it's I should've gone and got it during the syncopated clock, and I forgot. I'm such an idiot. I'm a fool. I'll fill in for you. Don't worry. I'll waffle on if you want if you wanna go. Yeah. Go. Look. I'm gonna I'm gonna be thirty seconds. Just entertain everybody with Okay. 38 vulgar jokes. You've got one minute starting from now. Now?  

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What the bloody hell am I gonna I'm going to, talk about now?   Well,   we got shows coming up soon,   with some very interesting people. And we got a chappy this Sunday coming on.   He's gonna talk about what is he gonna talk about? I'm just looking up here.   Breathing. How to breathe correctly.   So there we are. So it's and then we've got Monica Schafer coming on on the July 20. And she'll also be on the August 3,   and Dawn Lester on the August 31. And guess who else?   John Hayman will be on on the August 17.   So there we go.   Lots of exciting guests. And if you've got any suggestions for guests,   for both   Paul and myself,   please say because Paul and I, we shared guests.  

So a guest on my show will sometimes be a guest on Paul's show and vice versa. It works very very well.   But   certainly hot today. Now let's have a quick look in chat. What we got in chat here? We got,   Nathan, who's a miserable sod, said, no. Not really, mate. You're quite a bit sod. Not a fan of the music this week. Sounds like   it belongs   belongs on the wizard of   o oz   yes yes well it was nineteen fifties was it wasn't it   Now I don't really like the tune. She said, oh, that's good. We're just saying that we we actually swapped guests,   don't we? I mean, you got John Hamer for three Fockbobs, which is not bad, was it? You know? Yeah.  



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And no interest.   No interest to pay on the loan. That's right. It's great. It's a usury free Excellent. Hire a guest service, which I quite like. Yeah. That's pretty good.  

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Mhmm. And did you know that every,   country on the axis of evil did not have usury?   Isn't that strange?   Seriously.   Iran didn't have usury.   Syria didn't have usury,   and Libya didn't have usury.   So that's rather in that's a very interesting fact.   There's a few more places that that that  

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Hello, Paul.  

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Hello, Paul.   Correct.   But I tried to explain   yes.   Yeah.  

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Are you shouting again?  

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You're suffering from constipation.  

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Now do you remember yeah. Sorry, Paul. Mhmm.  

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Yes.   Yes.   Yes. Yes.  

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Well, you know, but I just want you to know, I'm drinking a very, very cold pint of cider here and I've I've opened the door. It's such a warm evening. It really is wonderfully claggy, you know.   It's I just love it when it gets like this. It's fantastic. So there you go. Hopefully, I won't burp I won't burp cider bubbles live on air, but you never can tell. I yeah. It can get a bit unruly.   You know? Yeah. Absolutely. Should I slurp into the microphone?   In Gulpima, they're doing adverts, you know, like  

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Oh. Oh,  

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that's great.   Bit of chopped juice.  

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Yep.  

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Steady, Eric.   Okay. Well, we're gonna need to get that. We're gonna need to get the audio file and all that, Paul, because we'll need it for ad breaks and things like that. Maybe there's a maybe there's a quiz show. Identify the following.   Yeah. Who made this one? This is a field recording.   There's a field recording in Oxfordshire 1952.   It's a conversation between the local vicar and farmer, Hodges.   Which one made the following noise?  

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It's the show.  

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It's the show you've all been waiting for.  

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It's a family favorite.  

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But,   well, we're actually we we have a little fart over here. He's called Kea Starmer. He he actually looks like a fart, doesn't he, really?   Yeah.   And, x.   Yes.   Yes.   But Exo says Eric loves the f word.  

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Yes. Follow the word. Begin with f ending with t, though. You see?   Ah,  

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that's the thing. Yes. See?   Well, I've often said my mother put it down to me being bald in it because she accidentally eased herself when I was bald. Yes. Yes. I I know I know a lot. I slid into it. Yes. Yes.  

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It's great that you want to actually tell everybody that as well. I think that's quite admirable too.  

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So my first gasp of breath on this Earth was that.  

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No. Anyway, switching to more serious topics, switching to a more serious matter, not really. There's,   a journalist over here called Rod Liddell.   And, I don't know if we made any disparaging marks about Glastonbury last week but we bloody well ought to have and,   I came across this,   little article on The Guardian. I'll start off with that one first. Right?   So,   there's a guy called George Monbiot.   I am not a fan. Right? Do you know of George Monbiot? He's a big environmental   he's a pain when he's Oh, I am. He's he's a virtue of signaling.   Yeah. Yeah. I'm not into all this kind of stuff. It's so gay. Yes. Well, like, don't build coal fired power stations. But George, the, Chinese are building one a week. It's irrelevant what you're doing, and we're all broke, you know.  

They're impractical, these people, because they're all ideologues. He's a very bright guy, but I just don't care for the cut of his jib. Anyway, he wrote this article called how does the right   tear down progressive   societies?   My answer would would be to that not quick enough, actually, George. They used to do it instantly because there's no such thing as a progressive society. It's a degenerate society. He said it starts with a joke.   Right?   He said whether it's bloodshed at Glastonbury or starving people on benefits, their irony poisoning seeps obscene ideas   into the range of the possible. Now this is an illustration of why humor is dead with these people. These people don't have a sense of humor,   because if you mock them, they're all offended and they wanna go to court and stuff. Let me just read you what he wrote here because it leads and then I'll go over to the real article which is fantastic. Imagine the Ferrari if a Guardian columnist suggested bombing, say, the Conservative Party camp conference   and the Tory stronghold of Arendelle hey, hang on. That's only a few miles from me. In Sussex,   it would dominate public discussion for weeks.  

Despite protesting they were only joking, that person would never work   in journalism again. Their editor would certainly be sacked. The police would probably come knocking. But when the spectator columnist Rob Liddell   speculates about bombing Glastonbury Festival and Brighton,   complaints are met with calm down dear, can't you take a joke? Well, yeah, calm down George, can't you take a joke? The journalist keeps his job as does his editor, the former justice secretary Michael Gove.   There's one rule for the left and another for the right. Well, that's rich coming from you. Now, anyway,   all all slightly sort of silly stuff. Now let's go over to Rob Liddell's   essay. Now I can't read the whole of it because the spectator's behind a paywall and I'm not paying   £12   a month to read a few articles, not some of the fees that these people want for stuff, right? But let me just read you these opening two paragraphs because they're quite witty, I think.  

He writes this, so the title of the piece is and Now Let's Bomb Glastonbury'   and there's a picture of that Glastonbury festival with that   Bob villain or somebody like that being hurled around by,   you know, whatever.   It says I know. Anyway, yeah, you know what I mean. Right? So Little writes this, he goes,   a small yield nuclear weapon such as the American w 89, which I know Paul and Patrick are very familiar with, dropped on Glastonbury in late June would immediately remove from our country almost everybody who is hugely annoying.   I just like that.  

Yeah, you would see a marked reduction in the kefir clan. Now the kefir is that scarf, that Palestinian scarf that everybody uses for a start and all those middle class extinction rebellion protesters would find in a nanosecond   that their rebellion was pointless because extinction had arrived even more summarily than they expected.   Go on. Glue yourselves to that Poppy and Oliver.   He says street drummers, liberal politicians,   Provo vagans, radical rappers,   spiritual healers, Billy Bragg, that bloke who owns Forest Green Rovers, druggies, tattooed blue haired hags,   almost the entirety of middle class London all evaporated.  

I am not saying that we should do this, of course. It would be a horrible psychopathic thing to do. I am merely hypothesizing   in a slightly wistful kind of way.   One on Glasto, one on Brighton, and The UK would soon begin its recovery with only a few chunks of gently glowing cobalt 60   left to remind us of what we are missing, and then it fades out into behind the paywall. It was enough. I was tempted. That's why I looked up the paywall. I thought, oh, I do wanna read the rest of this. I'll give them a couple of quid. But when it was, like, £13 a month or something, I'm going, nah. I can't get it. That.   Nah. Well, yeah. Everybody wants a subscription. I understand why. They wanna fund it. You add them all up. You go ahead and spend hundreds of pounds a month just to read a few articles. It gets ridiculous, really. But there you go. Anyway, so the question is, of course, it's a joke. I've got but the thing is that he does carry a barb. And I'm the reason I picked it, Eric, was because of this point that you repeatedly and rightfully make   that he we can carry things with humor that you can't carry if you come out and present it in a factual way. It's a bit like what we were talking about with John there about marshalling facts in books, but actually   presenting it in novel format  

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could be, I suspect will be, far more effective to a wider audience of people that can absorb it that way. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I think I think you're right. But you can get away with a lot with humor. Like, for example, I told my local council   that a load of fiddlers and now I did it. I said, it is said that there's loads of closet violinists.   Why can't we all,   see these closet violinists,   so we can see them all on the fiddle?   So I've told them in a funny way that they're loaded crooks, but I've got away with it because I said, well, rumor has it, you know?   And what I've said is they've got their closet violinist. I've not said anything about them being crooks.  

So I couldn't and this is the way I think we gotta do. We gotta play with words.  

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Well, we do.   We do. And Oh, speaking of councils, you see that thing about Warrington council? They've all been fired or something.   Do you know how the DVR in the hole?   It's just unreal. This is a council. It's just they're unhinged.   And it's it's like I've said, it's not that they're evil. It's that they're stupid.   There are £200,000,000   in the hole, Warrington Council.  

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Well, Birmingham, they went busting. They because   I mean, have you ever been to a council meeting and seen how childish  

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the councilors are? Eric. Oh, I'm this I'm that about that. Paul, you've got an invite to go to a council meeting. I mean, good grief, man. I'd rather pull my own teeth out with suppliers than go to those things. No. I I wouldn't actually, but you get the idea. I'm just trying to get my eyebrows. I bet it is. But it's it's it's really embarrassing to seem grown men and women acting like,  

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well, infants.   That's basically it. Oh, now madam speak, can our chairman well, can't they just talk normally?   Mhmm. Why can't they speak? And also,   you're only given two minutes to talk if you're   going to object   to a planning proposal   and you've got to tell them in advance   that you're going to speak and you've got to send them any script or anything so they can look over it so they can know you know at once you   multitude   should be what it should be we pay your way   is   we   take as long as it takes   because   we   we say jump and you would be. We pay their wages. They're subservient to us. They're public servants. How dare they tell us how long we can speak for? You know, that this is something that is is is they got too much power. Well, I think I think what you're saying is right. I think these days are coming, Eric. I really think the days of the Gobbi Saxon,  

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council taxpayer have got to come back. I feel it coming back. You're writing letters off. I want to be, you know, yours outraged Colonel Smethwick home Counties.   BS, you know, that that sort of letter to the Times. You know, I'm gonna send a letter to the Times, but they are effective in a way. Just as a follow-up as well to that Rob Little   thing on GB News, but elsewhere, because if you do a search on it, there's loads of stuff on it. I only bumped into it this morning. Rod Liddell's nuke Glastonbury joke reported to police by pro Palestine lawyer and woke council chief. And of all places,   Brighton.  

Right? Brighton because I think she was upset   that he suggested dropping a new come Brighton might be a good thing too. Only a joke, mind. And he's right, of course, it is a psychopathic thing, but he's trying to make a point and the point's well made. There's this sort of strange sub is I don't know what it is. It's not really subculture, is it? It's promoted heavily by the BBC   who are all part of this stuff. I mean, do people genuinely think that they've got valid points to make? They can't possibly think that. I just think that they can't even think. There's nothing   I don't know.  

So there you go. It says here, Brighton's labeled labor council chief,   Bella Sankey,   or Belia Sankey,   Bella, I think, accused the pair of inciting disease. Terrorist. Yeah. As she blasted, Brighton was bombed in the second World War and also in my lifetime in a terrorist attack in 1984.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We know. As the leader of Brighton and Hove city council, I am writing to Sussex police to ask them to investigate this incitement to terrorism published by Rod Liddell and Michael Gove.   Right. It's an incitement to terrorism, is it?   Okay. Unbelievable.  



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Unbelievable.  

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Well, it's,  

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well,   I'm sure Monica won't mind me saying this, but her brother has been arrested again in Germany.   And for for for, you know, the usual   nonsense they, they hype up just to arrest him. And think haven't the police got anything better to do? It just makes you wonder, doesn't it? Yeah. And and and and,   harassing old age pensioners.   But, they seem to be terrified. Was it starting a riot?   Yeah. I can see it's a rough end of the wedge  

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for them, and they're right in a way from their point of view. I can understand why they do it.   They I think they sense rightly,   maybe they sense,   that things are getting almost like a hair trigger away from kicking off in some kind of uncontrollable mad way. I couldn't tell you what it is.   But certainly,   if you look,   I keep going over onto Twitter. I'm gonna keep calling it Twitter. I don't know what x really is, but I okay. So it's x Yeah. Contradicts himself. Yeah. Just to get a feel for the nature of the exchanges, the comments, and what people are saying.   And it's very,   for people of   our position as it were.  

It's extremely encouraging.   People are getting more and more   brief, clear, and more direct in their language about what needs   to be   done.   And,   it's very good. The migrant thing, of course, is at the top of everybody's list. But people are That's right. Talking about the knock on effects, you know, young people not getting homes. It's mad. I'm gonna go back to that fact from last week. If it is the case that there is about 8,000,000 migrants living in this country on welfare at a cost of £500,000,000,000   per year, I. E. £50,000   each, not just into their pocket, but in terms of all the other services that are required to keep them ticking over, the solution, yet again, something that they won't think of, is to use that 500,000,000,000   a year to have them stay at home and just send them the money there.  

Serious. It'd be still be cheaper. You can send them half of it. It would. You can say, look, We can say, go you're fed them by spending 500,000,000,000. We can we can cut you down to 250.   Send them back and send them half the money at home.   That's fine. We'll do that for ten years. It'll be cheaper. That's right. Did you see that hotel manager speaking to you?   Bit bit, Eric. It's a bit bit   sorry. Is that better? Yeah. It's your hand or something. It just keeps hitting the mic a bit, and it was Oh, yeah. I'm terribly sorry. I'm just It's that monkey that you're asking.  

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It's that monkey. No. I'm actually it keeps   falling off the bench. I'm gonna keep screwing up, you see. And,   it happened to screw my mic, up. But, no innuendos there. Yes.   But what was I talking about? Oh, yes. This manager, he said that,   there's some rich Saudis.   What they're doing   is they're coming over here as asylum seekers.   They don't want   to get asylum in this country   because they get three meals a day. They got put up in a nice hotel. They can have a lovely holiday here.   And then, when they're sent back, they get £3,000   spent for themselves.  

So,   it's a nice it's a free holiday. They can't understand it. So there's loads of people coming over from the,   Third World just for a nice holiday   at our expense,   but we can't afford to pay old age pensioners.   And   I it just  

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the people are insane. There's no ifs and buts about it. The people that they are in governments are Well, they're under instructions, aren't they? I think, you know, yet again, you know, we were talking about language and words that are used to describe stuff. And I know we've mentioned this before, and we have to keep mentioning it, is it's not being described right   in the mainstream media.   It's not being described for what it actually is. So if we, you know, just do we use the old classic stuff because it works. Bite their fruits shall ye know them. What are their fruits? Destruction of the nation. Who are they? They are the government, are the destroyers of the nation. They're destroying it, and that's the language to be used. They are actually waging war on it through a, an apparent ineptitude which they have.   And, their rhetoric is to be ignored.  

It's not what they say, it's what they do, and it's what you see. And what we see is an ever escalating mess,   which has to be   there's got to be some point in that pit   where there's an instruction room where the instructions are coming out of and they're being followed.   There just has to be. I agree with you. There's just got to be one. Nothing is by accident. Even their incompetence is not accidental. It's designed   to be that way. I mean, these   and it doesn't matter what language we use on them because as you've mentioned before here,   they are of the narcissistic,   disposition   and are incapable of hearing criticism. It's not it doesn't register. You couldn't possibly tell me something, you oik, you stupid peasant.  

You know, and they do although they're all cliches,   I think it's generally true. They do come from that moneyed set that's now identified with, what is it, Islington in North London, the Tony Blair stomping. That's right. That's right. They're privileged. They've all gone to university. They've got degrees. They think this somehow qualifies them to be wise,   and they're goofy and stupid and they're arrogant and they're deaf. And these are not good qualities. They're not statesmen.   They're careerists, and   and they're an they're they're a terrible blight. They really are. They are the prime cop. Notice  

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a spoilt kid never grows up because when they become adults I mean, Roger Moore, I admire his guts. I've got a I call heartbeat of admiration for Roger Moore because he said   that he was an immature, spoiled brat,   and he said he used to throw tantrums and things like that on the stay on the sets. Mhmm. And he's he took over from,   we can't remember another. Sophie I think there's a couple of things going on in. James Bond?   No. He took over with the, children's charity. Oh, yes. He did. And he and he went and he saw   children that were starving   and that got diseases and things like that. And he said it hit him really hard,   and it changed him as a human being. And he said that he wants to be remembered, not for his acting Mhmm. But for what he did for these children, he said. And he realized what a spoilt brat he was.  

And he said and I admire his guts for coming out with that. But the trouble is, you look at Starmer. He's a spoilt brat. You look at,   King Fat Fat Fingers.   You know,   Who's that? The the Are you insisting our beautiful monarch? Charles Charles the third. Sorry. Third. Mhmm. Now the thing is,   look at him today. Did you see with all these bloody regalia, all these medals?   I mean, my word. Was he Rambo or something? Were all those medals?   And that's childishness.   Absolute   childishness.   Look at me. I'm important. I'm fantastic.   It's a load of bovine excrement.  

Mhmm. And that's what we got in power, children,   child minds   that haven't grown up. Eric. And that's the big problem.  

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Yeah? Eric, is is there any hope for them? Hello. Hello, everybody.  

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Hi, Patrick. Hello. How's it in jolly old Wisconsin? It's probably even warmer than it is here. Last time I spoke to you, you're having thunderstorms and lightning and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. It's it's  

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it's good though.   I was gonna say, is it is it a case like, you said Roger Moore   kind of had a a an awakening of sorts?   Is it possible for these leaders   like Starmer and the King   to change?  

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Like, more Who knows?  

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I doubt it. Who knows?  

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I   yeah. I would say dads are good. Yeah. But also  

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but you see, a psychopaths,   their brain is different   to an actual human being.   Doctor. Hare, who's a leading authority on psychopaths,   has come very, very close to admitting   they are a different breed.   And that's why I'd say if if if, you've got a psychopath that harms humans, you put them on an island away from us.   Hanging them, what what what's the point? They don't they don't know what punish why they're being punishment, because their brain is geared to be a predator.   They are predators on us, so we separate the predators from us. Wouldn't that well, you wouldn't have a pet crocodile, would you? Or alligator.   No.  

They're where they should be. They're in swamps, and they're away from us.   So that's my that's my theory. You know, I just wonder what anybody else thinks about that.  

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Well, Star Starmer's, I think, a you   he's obviously been selected for the absence of any   positive qualities, really. I mean, he he's just the strangest individual.   He's just almost like I said before, it's to make Joe Biden look intelligent, and he does.   That's how bad he is. I mean, the the they've had Mike Robe over here, haven't they? What's his name? Macron,   the bloke that's married to a bloke. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yes. Yes. Bloke bloke and all this kind of stuff. And,   when you hear of these so called deals that he's done on behalf of the for the benefit of the nation,   like he's allowing the French to fish waters around here for twelve years,   Something's going that Brexit thing, that vote that we took, this I I keep thinking this is kind of organized   payback for that.  

They're trying to get us back on track with everything and there's no the idea that we're supposed to work a deal with France to deal with the migrants is insane. I couldn't care less about France. France can have got their own problems and and they as a people will rise up if they're not happy with it. The thing is that the problem in France is gonna it's obviously prevalent in Paris where it's just become Parisistan or whatever it is, but France is twice as big as England with about two thirds of the population and it's got huge areas where you will it'll take a long time for those people to penetrate that, but they're gonna face the same issue.   That that guy, you know, Cummings was saying that the way you deal with it is you blow them out of the water. That's literally what he said. So you only have to do it once or twice. Now I'm not into that. I think it because I think the knock on effects of that would be really, really bad.  

But where's the navy?   Just send the navy out there. You get hold of the boat. You stick them on a boat. You just drive them straight back. You just drop them back in France, and then the France French get all upset. We go, we don't care.   If you want us to help you to send them back to Africa through there, we'll help that. We can get the Royal Navy what's left of it. Three boats and a dinghy in there or something. And they can get together with you. But that that's all part I I keep thinking about this. This running down of all of the military is so that these sorts of things can take place. No one's got any muscle   to actually determine and manage their own nation in this European thing because it's communism.  

And we go back to that book by what's his name, Stephen Covington   or whatever his name was about interdependence.   No. We don't want interdependence.   We want absolute autonomy and sovereign control over independence.   Is that what he was talking about? Well, no. No. Interdependence. Interdependence  

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is like international, and then there's intra,   which is within, like, international, which is within the nation.  

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Yeah.   Well, yeah, you know, my view of it always was to get a whole domino chain of people relying on something else. And therefore, at any point on that chain, they can threaten it and you won't get your stuff. It's a bit like petrol at the pump.   You know? They don't want you independently managing your own life. They have to be able to put a control mechanism in. So this inter interconnectedness   of nations is part of it. Oh, we have got to go to Brussels to sort it out. We never used to have to go to Brussels to sort out anything. What do we even need them for? And if all we've got is fish, and we supposedly have a lot of fish, why are we letting everybody else fish it? You know? They've got a lot of actually. They can farm a lot. It's great. I don't deny him that. I don't expect us to take all of the French onions. Say, we're gonna send some farmers. I'm gonna just nick all your onions.   You know? Of course, Paul. You don't know what's going on. Yeah. I do.  



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But but but yeah.  

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Microbe. Yes. Him. Yeah. Macarone.  

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Macaroon. You're thinking of a macaroon.  

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Is he thinking of a macaroon?  

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A macaroon. Yeah. Mister macaroon.  

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Yeah?   Yeah. I know what you're talking about. Oh, we don't yeah. Now this is exotic. I've never heard of such a thing. Have you ever heard of such a thing, Patrick? No. I mean, Eric Never heard of it. No. Never heard of it. No.  

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Is it it's with two o two o's, I think, at the end   with the one you're thinking of. The little the little colored cookies, all, you know, all different rainbow colored,   which is fitting for him.  

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I wonder if he brought any patisserie over with him. Do you think he   oh, yeah. I wonder if he brought any nice French   Yeah. I wonder if you brought any nice French strange, Bruce. We've got them.  

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Yeah. Actually, Paul, we're all we're we're in luck. We got them in Iceland and strange, Bruce, and they're £3.50   or £3.20.   And they're called macarons.   M a c   a r o n s, Macarons.  

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I think we're getting a bit of echo from you, Paul, on the speakers.   I think it's you, Paul. We're getting some echo coming back Yeah. Just to let you know.  

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Yeah. So so the the the the   and so you get from Morrisons as well. The cheapest place is Sainsbury's. So they were called Macrons.   We've got loads of places. They they I've not I've never heard of them before, but there you go. You know?  

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Yeah. It's I'd I'd had them I'd been to Dijon   and they had   had bakeries full of that kind of stuff. They're good. It's just not something I would go for usually.  

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I found that French cakes look disgusting but taste beautiful.   Did you find that? I would say I yeah. Yeah.  

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Italian food's the best. That's that's my humble opinion.   But Oh, yeah. French is French wine is Yeah. Some of the best.  

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Yes. Let's go for that. Mind you, I had some French,   fish soup there, which I I didn't go much on.   Yeah.   But,   yeah, the French are pretty good at cooking, you know. But are you alright? Italian is   the Yeah. They're the best. Creme de la creme. Yeah. What do you think of Russian food? Is is that alright? Because they have raw pork, don't they? No.  

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Maybe if you're in, like, the rustic area where they do where they do,   like, their own butchering and that kind of stuff. But it   Yeah. It's not   I I wouldn't suggest   Russia for its cuisine.   No. No. And this the I've have you ever seen the food map of according to the Italians of the world?   No. It's like the further you get away from Italian from Italy, it's like deadly. The food gets more and more deadly as you travel away from there.  

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Well, I know they they have now is it like lard? I think they they eat raw lard.  

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Yeah. In Ukraine, they have a   yeah. They have, like,   lard   chocolate covered lard. But  

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English cuisine I mean, your British cuisine is is the best in the world, isn't it?   Paul, have you noticed that? I mean What British?  

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Oh, what? We we know how to do our fish. I'm not knocking our food. I think it's fantastic. I never even grumbled about it when I was a kid. Everybody mocked it. What do they call what are the French colors? La roast beefs. I think that's pathetic.   Have they ever eaten roast beef? It's just brilliant.   I don't even want much anyway. They spend far too much time farting around in the kitchen. I mean, I always think Italian peasant food's the best anyway.   Seriously, it's all about peasant food. I like Greek peasant food. I was out the other night actually, and they're they're doing Greek night now, and they brought Greek meatballs.   Though it's the best food I've eaten in this pub.  

The gun, I should let you know, the gun   at Findon,   I told them. I said, that's the best because we've been in there for a few years now. And just said, these were absolutely epic. They were amazing.   Really, really good. I was very happy and really simple peasant food. It's just lovely. We'll make a note of that because, you know, I'm gonna do a Fulham Hall,  

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star rating. So we don't do so if our restaurant's crap, you don't you don't don't even don't rate it. So what would you give that? I mean, I've got a place in Waltham Cross, which should get five   five points. There's one in,   Waltham Abbey, which gets three points,   three stars. The top is five. So how many stars would you give that place that you went to, Paul?  

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What's the top rating? Five out of five? Five. Yes. If you never give a five, I'd give a four. I'd never give a five. Yeah. Really? Well, if I give a five, that means it. It's all over. I'd be no reason to go out anyway looking for five, would there? So I'd give it a five. Yeah. I would. It was that good.  

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Excellent. Excellent. And I'll tell you something. We got a place that does ice cream that you would like called Delicious, and it's made from raw cow's milk.   Jersey, raw raw cow's milk. Lovely.   And there's something about raw cow's milk, which yum.   But, apparently, even with raw milk cow's milk, they still got to give them, growth hormones   so they produce more milk. Yes. Because to make the farm profitable.   So they can't have it a 100% organic because he wouldn't give us the quantity of milk that we require. That's like pesticides.  

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They're spraying pesticides here now and it's terrible.  

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I mean, if it depends on if you're breathing it in or not, but We've got a lot of work to do, lads. We've got an awful lot of work to do. I like working with farmers. We do. There's an awful lot Yeah. To do. But let's say somebody Dominic comes along and says, right. We're gonna do something about all these tree traitors.  

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First of all, I don't believe in capital punishment. That sounds a bit lefty liberal, but that I just don't believe in capital punishment,   because we haven't the right to act as God.   And   it's it's macabre as well.   But when you look at another way, suppose it was we said, right, we're gonna   swing the bastards are gonna swing for treason.   The hangman, the qualified hangman, like,   last, what was the one there? Pierpoint. He wasn't the last, but he had famous one. They don't exist now.   Who would do it? Who would carry it out? I remember there'd be a heck of a lot of them, wouldn't they? I don't know. I think the best thing we could do is is ignore them.  

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Wouldn't that be nice?  

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Just ignore them into observing those psychos.  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. So I actually think putting them on an island would be best, you know. But the the trouble is we we, you know, you we have not got professional hangmen anymore because it is a very,   skilled job to hang someone. Yeah. You're not for the penalty anyway though, are you? No. I'm not. I don't believe you.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. I I agree. If we could just ignore them and keep them out of our our sight,   keep them away from the microphones and the media   attention that they get Yeah. The better off we would be.  

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Well, I I think,   did I mention the Rupert Lowe thing here last week?   This,   restore   account on   Twitter. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh, it's up to last time I looked,   it was up   to half a million people inside ten days. Wow.   Subscribed from from zero. And I've just seen a little poll here because I'm I'm always trying to scout things whilst we're doing the show to sort of pick things up on the spur of the moment. Someone's put a little poll up saying, who do you align with most politically? There are four names on the list. I'll tell you what they are. Rupert Lowe, which these things probably don't mean too much to US listeners, but Rupert Lowe is the most capable Nigel Farage in his garage, Tommy Robinson, who's now back at large,   and a guy called Steve Laws. Now you might not know Steve Laws. He's he's not a politician, but he's actually been documenting the migrant crisis   in in real down in Kent for a few years, and he's got an excellent sort of Twitter account. Anyway, the results of the voting are Nigel Farage comes in last with a heady 4%,   followed by Tommy Robinson at 8.3%,   Steve Laws at 33%,   and Rupert Lowe, who I just ticked at 5054.6%.  

And what he's suggesting and doing is absolutely,   perfectly timed, I think,   about   to create, you know, basically,   a countervailing force but not a political party. This is getting so out of hand what's happening.   And I'm also seeing another little post here from Peter Hitchens,   and it links to a video which I've not had a chance to see so I can't just jump over that. I don't know how long it is. But   the the he says here he's referring political   classes.   He says they have no in idea in capital. Sorry. They have no idea what is about to hit them.   Our rulers   have stored up so much trouble that when it all explodes, they will have no clue what is happening or how to deal with it. This is the problem. They're thick. Yeah. It's they're not they're incompetent.  

They're thick, and they're deaf. Yeah. They're literally in that bubble, and it doesn't matter how much you point it out to them. Everybody go, well, they can't be. They must know what's going on. Now they only know what's going on in the bubble, in the Westminster bubble. They literally don't know.   They've had such privileged lives, all of them, and they just talk complete guff,   all of them. They're not they're not practical people, and they're always overly sensitive about the welfare of everybody except their   own people. Another little post that these are worth reading now. Kirsty writes,   morning people, Amelia, I I guess that's her daughter.  

Amelia's school, this is today, earlier today, Amelia's school has Muslims go, as a Muslim going on to speak with the children   about their religion today.   So, yes, Amelia is having the day off over my dead body as the child being subjected   to be there and scouted as a next rape victim.   Can f right off. This is what's going on. People need to really wake up. Yeah. It's just a nonsense.   It's an absolute nonsense. We're at war with these people whether you like it or not. Oh, can't we get on peacefully? Oh, alright. How's that worked out for us? Yeah. Yeah. You're beautiful. Child mind.  

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Pardon? But it's but it's a child mind, isn't it? Again, communists,   part of their brain hasn't matured.   They think that you go to university and you know everything, you tell farmers out the farm, and everything is like a machine. It's all   working,   and no such thing as reality of life. That's the commonest way. That because   you notice that,   it's something what professor Edward Dutton says,   and that is that,   before the Industrial Revolution,   it's only the strongest that survived.   So the weak minded did not survive.   But then after the Industrial Revolution,   people started to survive   childbirth   much more.  

And, well, that's a good thing. I'm pleased people are surviving. But look what happened, eighteen forties, along comes communism.   Karl Marx. Yep. He was a spoiled kid.   He was brought up in this privileged lifestyle.   And these communists   are privileged people.   Their their mind hasn't matured.   They are very immature.  

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Well, they live in this fantasy world of the the they think the pursuit of utopia is a worthwhile thing. It isn't.   It's the removal of, you know,   crime and sin that's that's that's key. That's what you can identify.   And speaking of look this is cool actually what I'm doing here. So I'm just going down this thread. This is just my home sort of blur, the stuff that's come through. Well on x,   a post from Liz Truss, you know? You remember her? Forty seven days in power. I've mentioned her before,   as being the only person that's ever said anything,   actually near the truth. Here listen to this. This is great. Five paragraphs. Pretty quick. She says,   queer Starmer she doesn't write that. I threw that in. It's wrong at me. I I shouldn't have done such a thing. It's very childish.  

Starmer, she says, makes wild accusations about what I'm responsible for when she was in briefly at forty seven days. But my pro growth policies weren't actually implemented with the exception of getting rid of Sunak's health and care levy.   The havoc was caused by the Bank of England economic establishment   and their allies in the Conservative Party in order to stop them happening.   This was an extraordinary   undermining of a prime minister who had the mandate to deliver those policies. The problem cannot therefore be the policies. In fact, the counterfactual   has driven up debt and stymied growth. It's bigger than that. Hello, Liz. You're right over target. All of the attacks and smears on me since are an effort to cover up how deeply undemocratic the British system has become. Spot on.  

She's actually doing more she's doing more good outside of that position to expose it.   And like we were saying earlier, no one's gonna talk about the elephant in the room, which is   the banking mafia.   These politicians can't represent us. They can't. It's like you even if you and I got voted, here we go, well, we're gonna do this. We're gonna get a knock on the door. Yeah. You can't do that. Wow. It would destroy your economy and all the international markets.   So, you know, you'd need to use,   force, I'm afraid.   You I I don't know any other solution. If you can't engage with these people in discussion, and you clearly can't, if they are of the position that they have the upper hand, which they clearly do, and yet you don't want them to have it, then we're in a fight.  



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Well It's just knowing how to wait. Police force. We have a new police force, sort of,   with this, Hell's Angel chap.   And what he's doing, he wants to protect women and children.   And these blokes are real tough guys.   Hell's Angels. Real tough guys. Yeah. We have those here. They're sort of sort of Hell's Angels, but they're they're motorcyclists. But Yeah. You know, the type of people that that are pretty tough, and they wanna protect women and children and do what men should do. And they said that if there's children in danger, their presence alone will be enough.   They're not there to,   throw punches or anything like that. They can do if they need to, but they won't.  

But their presence alone will stop anything nasty going on. So if a woman feels that she might get raped in a situation,   then they call on these fellas to just stand around and watch what's going on. They've come a long way now. They've come a long way since the sixties when Hunter s Thompson was writing about the Hells Angels. Because they would be the ones doing the raping if it were back then. Oh, not not not here. Not in the great not in Great Britain. That they are,   well, I don't know. I mean,   the the the they said that the this this chap is a Buddhist, believe it or not. There's tattoos all over his face.  

And the type of person you would think well, you wouldn't really wanna argue with, but when he speaks, he speaks a lot of sense. I think you've you've seen the video, haven't you, Paul? Have you seen the video? Which one?  

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That, Hell's Angel tribe bloke with all Yeah. Yeah. I've seen I've seen some clips with him. Yeah. He's just talking about, you know, in the end, what's the thing with the marks? You've got to control the street. That's what he's talking about. You do. Yes. Yeah. You have to control the street. It's where everybody sees life.   It's very, very important. It sends out signals of safety or the absence of safety.  

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Correct.  

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Look. Just jumping down on this thread. There's just so much good stuff. Rupert Rupert Lowes just put up a post four hours ago.   It's a photograph of all these young men on a dinghy coming here recently. This is what he says. I look at these pictures and videos of the boats coming in, almost exclusively young men as we know, and just think how the hell   can anyone see that and think they're actually desperate asylum seekers? Of course, they're not. Are they that deluded?   Are they that mad on woke that they believe it? Or is it one big practical joke? Well, it's not. I think he could have written something much more, to the point because it certainly feels that way. Oh, it doesn't feel that way to me, Rupert. It feels like something else. Nobody in their right mind can think that, surely. Oh, no.   Normal people don't think that. If you tell yourself a lie, here's a good bit, over and over and over, I guess maybe you start to believe it. Indeed, that's what the political class have been doing for decades.  

I just cannot get my head around it. They are men, young men, fighting age men, almost all of them. I don't want any of them in our country. Just deport the lot. There you go.   But do we have a police force that can do it? They're all full of these pipe cleaner pansies going around in rainbow cars, which is all part of the plan. We actually don't have a police force being taken away.   Fun fun fun this show, isn't it? I hope I'm cheering you all up here at the end of the show. Yeah. I have to be sure.   There's the happy show. Go to bed thinking, oh my god. What's gonna happen? Well, what's gonna happen is that we're gonna, the heat's gonna keep going up in the kitchen. The sooner you're aware of it, the faster we can make some sensible decision about what to do with it. I've got a nickname for Keir Starmer.  



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You can call him Rear Harmmer.   How about that?  

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Eric likes that one. That's took it. That's through the bull's eye.  

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Oh, yes. Yes. That's that's a good near rear harmer. Because it's really strange about those three blokes that try to burn his house down, ain't it?   The Ukraine It's got very quiet.  

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Yes. Do you know anything about this guy called Ant Middleton, Eric? I keep seeing him everywhere touted. He's he's gonna try and roast the mayor of London. Well, he's a he's a one of us, an English lad.   He writes this. I won't go through it. He says, a young man was stabbed to death near the Special Forces Club in London, in Knightsbridge. Knightsbridge, you know. Now for those of you who don't know Knightsbridge, it's very posh.   Right?   Very Ultra posh. Yeah. Ultra super mega wealthy area. Yeah. Yep. Near Mayfair. Some bridge a sort of subset of Mayfair. Knightbridge is near there. It was for his watch. He says an effing watch. Enough is enough. As mayor of London, I will explode people instant oh, no. He doesn't say that. Sorry. I'm I'm reading things into it.   I will turn up at every fatal stamp blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Well, we will see. The problem that you've got as the mayor is that if you don't have the police force with you because it's riddled with,   whatever it's riddled with. I have no idea. I shouldn't cast aspersions but,   they're not particularly impressive, the police, because we've lost it. Peter Hitchens talks about this a lot. I actually had a little clip from Hitchens. I can't remember if it's relevant or not but because I've actually cut it out today, I'm gonna play it. It might have been about, Peter Hitchens,   Economy Out of Control. Let me just play it because it's only about a minute long, I think.  

Yeah. Here we go. Just a minute.   We've got a minute to play this. This is from Mike Graham a little bit earlier today. He was on for ten minutes. Let's see what he says. I can't remember now. And we also have an economy which is out of control, and we're spending so much money that we're this as I constantly point out to people, we're actually  

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raising tax   to pay interest   on our loans. And then we're borrowing more money to pay interest on those loans.   These are the the the actions of of someone   well down the road to bankruptcy.   And nations are not supposed to go bankrupt, but I'm afraid they can do. And I think we're heading that way, and much of Europe the same direction.   So I I just look at it and I see   what if   in thirty or forty years' time, people are showing the films of these events, they're gonna say, look at these people dancing on the edge of a volcano. They had no idea what was about to hit them. Mhmm. And I don't think they do.  

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There we go. We're dancing on the edge of a volcano, everybody. But some of us know exactly what's gonna hit us or are very very close to it. We gotta get everybody stop dancing on the bloody volcano.   What to do,   What to do?  

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Yes. Well, the first thing you can do if you got any money in the bank is buy gold sovereigns.  

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That's the first thing you can do. Oh, I thought you were gonna say a Gatling gun when you when the g came out of your mouth.  

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No. Because yes. That's an idea. Could do do that, but, you wouldn't really I think you'd be in jail quick. I think you'd say,   you know, something rude.  

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Something's gonna collapse in a way that I don't think any of us can anticipate.   You see, I think,   it's not I none of us want this stuff, but it's as if the powers that be absolutely do want it. They're setting things up to make the situation intentionally incendiary.   And there's something all sorted out. I wonder if they're they've got some kind of kill switch with everybody that took the COVID jab and they can just sort of send out some sort of radio signal and they all just sort of drop dead over five days. You don't know, really. We just don't know what they've got available. But it's such a reckless   thing.  

And it's obviously it's happening across all the nations of Europe,   and elsewhere, happening in a slightly different way in The States, but it's still part of it.   And the politicians will not talk about this,   incompatibility   of racism cultures issue.   It's we're quite compatible as long as everybody's in their ancient ancestral homelands, works fine. Don't have a problem. I'm sure we could trade with Muslim countries. And I know there are many, many good Muslims, but that's irrelevant.   It's the bad in every group that always set the tone and that's the problem.   And that's kinda what's gonna happen, I think.  

Gosh. I'm feeling very cheery here at the end of the show.  

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Yes. But no. I'm I'm optimistic.   I'm I'm more optimistic that something is gonna happen. Yeah. Me too.  

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I in fact, detailing it and going through it is actually   gets my energy up. Because once you see people describing it and getting more speedy with their communication about it, the better it is.   It's beginning to actually   form a part of common discourse.   Yeah. Everybody's starting to talk about it. And it and suddenly hits a point. It's like that hundredth monkey thing. Suddenly, everybody's gonna know, and they're very close to it. We're very close to it. Mass mass formation theory. Yeah. Now when you look at mass formation theory,  

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30%   of the people believe everything the government says. Right. Okay. They're dead meat. Forget about them. They just forget about them. But then you've got 40% we go that go with the flow and 30% that are us. Now with that 40% that go with the flow, all it needs is them to be nudged by 5%.   It's not much   for them to come over our side a bit more.   That makes the odds. So isn't it we they don't know, and the government are aware of it, and that's why they're terrified   because it doesn't take much   for it to be nudged the opposite way. So that's my take on it. And I think they were very close. That 40%,   I think that's now 15%   possibly   or   35%.  

You know? It's it's decreasing all the time. It's coming over to us. So I that's why I'm optimistic.  

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Yeah. Well, I think being optimistic is is worthwhile as long as we keep on doing stuff. I'm gonna say something that maybe runs slightly counter to that, but I'm just reading it, Eric. So I don't disagree with what you've said. There's a guy,   this is from The States. Now his handle   on,   x is legal man, all one word, legal man. His podcast is The Quash and it's great.   And it's about once a week, about forty five minutes long, and he's an ex lawyer and I think he's absolutely brilliant. He nails things in a really direct way.   Let's read this. This is quite good.  

He says, I I find it hilarious the way and this is addressed obviously to Americans but really to all of us because it's exactly the same sort of dynamic at play. He says, I find it hilarious   the way people accuse me of being black pilled. For anybody not in the know that means doom and gloom. Right? And act,   like I'm the problem because of that. First off, I'm cyanide pilled, which I quite like, not black pilled. And secondly,   accepting the reality is the real first step for anyone who's trying to get through this insanity.   The masses are hopeless   and always have been. I'm afraid I tend to agree there if you look at it historically.  

The large masses don't do anything. There isn't going to be any awakening.   At best, we can get a small percentage of the people very small. Until you deal with that harsh reality,   you have no way to build a path forward for yourself.   Don't blame me for this situation. I didn't make it. But living in a dreamland about what it is won't help you. In fact, it's exactly what the people running things want you to do. He's definitely there's an element of truth. I don't think we need to go so doom and gloom that we give up entirely, but   he's he's an excellent guy to follow, legal man. I'm just gonna recommend him to everybody. And if you subscribe to The Quash, which is his podcast, you won't go far wrong. He's brilliant. He wrote one the other day about,   about the unaccountability   of politicians in The States, but it's equally applicable here.  

He talks about all these crimes and there's literally no one, no one ever pays any penalty for any wrongdoing they ever do. He said, how can you have it in a democratic system where the ones make a judgment about their own behavior? It's insane.   Of course it is.   And that's why Jack Straw here was bringing up twenty five years ago saying, oh, we don't need by trial by jury. No. That no, Jack. That's all we need. That's all we're gonna have. We want trial by jury on everything. And everybody's got a because there's a lot of accountability. There's a lot of judgment got to be made on people. There just is. Yeah. Is there? I'm I'm reading an interesting book by Francis Talbot. It's called,  

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I Isaac Jacques'   Saint Among the Mohawks.   And Yep. It it's the story in the sixteen hundreds of Isaac Jacques who comes he's a Jesuit missionary that comes through the   the Strait   Of Saint Lawrence   in the river Two minutes. Quebec. I'm just letting you know we're wrapping up in two minutes, Patrick. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this kind of kind of gives us an idea because it's it's the situation that we're in. We're we're going down the river and you make allies   in a place that,   you know, you have no control over the people   on this river Yep. Going into the lake, the Big Great Lake.  

And you have to   make an alliance with those people in order to even stay alive. And   I think that's kind of the situation that we're in. We have to be willing to make an alliance   with the natives, with the the tribal people   that are invading our space. It's kind of like, you what are you gonna do? You gonna start an army and and go after them? Or what what can you do? And the and the thing of it is, you're you're not gonna   you're gonna be faced with some behavior that's,   savage. You know, you're dealing with savages.   You don't resort to savage behavior. You   you show them a better way   to exist   and you form an alliance that way. That's kind of my Mhmm. My my bit of,   hopeful advice   to how we face this. Because it's the only way that's gonna work   Yeah. Without resorting to violence. Because the last thing you want is violence on the streets. You don't want a revolution. That's the last thing. No. We don't.  



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Oh, terrible. Rev revolutions,   they always create,   a situation that allows all the psychos back in again.  

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The problem that we've got is that we don't want one,   but the Iago in this, the manipulator does.   And on that wonderful cheerful note, I hear the strains of the delightful guitar music.   Been a cracking show this week.   Really enjoyed it with John, despite the fact that he's got a new car and had to leave early relatively speaking. But we had a good hour and a half with him, which was fantastic. John Hamer was the guest tonight and hopefully be back in a few weeks time. And Eric, really enjoyed it tonight with you, Eric. It's been brilliant. And Patrick and Paul just got a little bit there at the end. Thank you. Thank you guys over in The States.   We'll be back again, of course, at the same time next week. Eric, have you got a show on Friday? When's the next show?  



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The next show is Sunday.  

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Sunday. And we got a man got a man talking about breathing. Whether it's heavy breathing or not, I do not know. But Sort of sounds exciting. I'm gonna be doing quite a bit of fun. Ready. Fantastic. So that'll be on rumble Friday Sunday night, Fockham Hall. Look out for it. Yeah. We'll be back again same time next week. Thank you everybody. All your comments in YouTube and Rumble and everything will be back again same same time next week. Keep well. Have a cracking weekend and maybe enjoy the Wimbledon final if you're into all that tennis guff, which I am. So I'll be doing that. Bye for now,  

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