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In this episode of Paul English Live, we delve into the evolving political landscape in the UK and South Africa. The show kicks off with a humorous yet critical take on the current state of British politics, highlighting the perceived incompetence and controversial decisions of political leaders like Keir Starmer. The discussion touches on the challenges of broadcasting and the importance of humor in addressing serious topics. The conversation then shifts to South Africa, where guest Ivan Basson provides a sobering account of the struggles faced by white farmers and the broader socio-political issues in the country. The episode also features insights from Eli James on the global implications of these political dynamics.

As the episode progresses, the hosts explore the broader themes of race, governance, and societal change. They discuss the historical context of South Africa's political struggles and draw parallels to current events in the UK and the US. The conversation is interspersed with humor and candid observations, offering a unique perspective on the complexities of modern governance and the challenges of maintaining cultural identity in a rapidly changing world. The episode concludes with a reflection on the role of media and the power of grassroots movements in shaping public discourse.

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This is a reminder.   Reset conference room.  

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Oh, why   oh, I mean, why don't you all take a look around you? I I did today. I looked around me today and it was really rather marvelous. Hi. Welcome back. It's Thursday   evening here in The UK. Thursday afternoon over in The US   or Thursday lunchtime something like that. It's May   2025.   Paul English live number 88. Look at that. Two fat ladies   and, I'm probably one of them. Welcome to the show.   And, we've got,   an evolved format here again this week. An hour one, an hour two, and an hour three. I mean, we've always had those hours but they're they're sort of shaping up slightly differently with each passing week. All to the good, I hope.   Yeah. A week's a long time in broadcasting,   isn't it? Isn't a week a long time in broadcasting?  

So they say   and,   but also time flies. I can't believe that we're back to Thursday again already. Anyway,   slightly,   a bit of a gray sort of evening here but not too bad. I've just been out for a sort of ten minute constitutional   before we sat down and put our broadcasting trousers on. I hope you've all had a cracking week. I don't quite know what I mean by that. It feels as though The UK is cracking apart with   the maniac decision making from a certain perspective depending on how you look at it,   from the the wonderful jolly people that are in charge of us all.   Anyway,   I'm here with, the Minister of Propaganda from Fockem Hall. Eric, good evening to you. How are you? Greetings. Greetings.  



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And as a Minister of Propaganda,   my sources tell me that there was no music at the intro of this show.  

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Really?  

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Yes. Wow. Really? I didn't hear any music. All I heard was you say hello. So I don't know what's happened.  

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No. No. No. There was I think there was only you that didn't get the music. I've, I've been Ah.   Yeah. Ah.  

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In studio from   oh, we I asked for right. Yes. But, You should be Anyway,   been having a good laugh about Gordon Brown, what he said. She's all as the economy is getting better, we're going to look at possibly,   getting more pensioners to get the Winterfield   payments.   I thought, is that the spell of cats?   Is that dogs?   I think it's bullshit, actually.  

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Yeah. There is that. There is that. Is that what Gordon Brown really said? Did he used to say all those sorts of things? Yes. I I was driving  

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home from, getting my tablet top up from, Miles Fleetwood, you know, the, health band.   And, I put so the only time I listened to the radio was when I'm in the car.   And I had, classic FM on, and, there was a sort of, like, I had to switch it on during the propaganda time, you know, they call it news. And it was Gordon Brown speaking about the pensions.  

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Really? And, as as,  

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was it is saying,   as the,   the economy improves   by what we are doing, we will be able to pay even more pensioners   a winter fuel allowance.   I think,   three, in fact, or four, is it? You know?   It's a load of a waffle, isn't it? They they say the same waffle time and time and time again. But we have to do I think they do. I think I think,  

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I mean, I've just looked into the, hi everybody in Rumble and on YouTube. Things are, I'm assuming chugging okay because we've not anybody saying technically we we're not chugging okay. So that's pretty good apart from your distress over the music there. But I think I'm pretty sure that went out. I see that, Gizzy fifty one in Rumble is obviously starting off in a mood that he actually is to catch.   You're right.   Queer, Starmer, and the Bum Boy three. I mean, this is a funny show, Gizzy fifty.   A rather strange one.   You know?  

So there we go.  

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And, Let's,   let's face it. Queer Starmer looks like the type of man that that would suck a fisherman's friend, doesn't he? A lozinger, of course. Of course. Yes. Of course, there is that. He's been  

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I mean,   we can't make this show every week about just talking about him, but I think this week has been just sort of so over the top   with the madness,   that even little old ladies are being in to sit up and take notice. It's been,   excessive   and   you know, I don't know if people well with there's this word that one can throw around called sectioning   and, when you section someone, of course I used to be freaked out by this, I thought it literally meant chopping them into sections   which seemed to be a little bit sort of heavy. But it means to actually put them in a place where they are disengaged   really or not given access to public life at large. They're they're put off in a section   of the nation or whatever and I am hard pressed at the moment   to think of any plausible reason why not just Starmer but most of the   mediocre   incompetent boobs that have obviously been selected specifically because of their complete lack   of skill, why any of them should not be sectioned. Don't I mean, they are directly harming. I mean, I'm listening to the language and the way it's being described on the radio, on the   listening to the language and the way it's being described on the radio, on the TV and everything and it's still not the right sort of language to describe this.  

Everybody's creeping up on it but   no one has we mentioned this a few weeks ago. In fact, I guess we could have said this ever since we started, in fact we have,   that this   man, if that's what he is, is,   genuinely   hated,   by the vast majority of English people who take an awful lot to get even slightly cross and slightly cross is quite heavy for the English. Do you know what I mean? And yet   this just comes across in everything. I know we're repeating things but we need to repeat these things. This is   this is not a good time for the remnant of this nation, if you know what I mean, and, this man is the   is the ringleader of it. I mean, I don't think he's the leader of it at all but he's certainly the guy that's been,   now, sir Keith, here's your lines. You'll be doing this this week   and then next week it's gonna be getting even worse. I mean, what have we had this week? We've had apparently, we've gone back into the European Union.  

Eric, have you heard about this?  

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Yes. Yes. And it's all being done sort of behind closed doors.   So we'll we'll just notice at the very last moment. And there will probably have put a diversion in, so people won't notice.   So they'll arrange something. So, whilst we're looking in that direction,   we get sort of creeping back into the EU in the the other direction.   It's,   what gets me is you when you look at the mindset of communists,   they nearly all   are city people.   Towns and cities. They have no idea. They hate countryside.   Because you notice when there's communism,   they do everything to destroy the countryside.  

With buildings,   ugliness,   overpopulation,   they're like everything that's negative in life. Mean Mhmm. You could go to the most vile part of London, which is not e which is very easy nowadays because most of London is vile.   And   you will find this, like, commie   type attitudes there.   Now,   the mayor of London has now given the go ahead for them to build skyscraper   buildings like in Manhattan   in the home counties.   So Say that to me again, Eric. Eric, say that again. Right. Slow. He has given the go ahead   to build skyscraper   type   housing like Manhattan   with quite high density   in the home counties, I e, the counties,   up to the N 25, which is, for the American listeners, is like a freeway that goes round London.  

And that is the border, basically.   And there's the, there's Inner London and Outer London. And then,   the mayor that said he'd come,   he is the mayor up to the M 25.   This is, I say, this freeway for Americans that goes around London.   And there's lots of countryside within there, and he wants it covered   in high rise   box.   So   it's going to be This is this chap called Hennessy. Khan. Is that right? Yes. Yes. The Right. Mayor of London. He wants all these tower blocks,   and they're going to streamline   the planning permission. So in other words, people won't get   a a a a say in it.  



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It's horrendous. Why does it is there any reason given?   Is there a sort of news? I've I mean, it's just nothing Yes. Good news when we get together, isn't it? It's just hilarity from start to finish. Well well, the thing is it's because the overpopulation.  

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I just I don't know about you, Paul. I just don't know why we are overpopulated. Do you?   Very strange. Mystery, isn't it? It puzzled to me. It is. I can't work it out. A kite puzzle. I know. And English people are now walking around speaking foreign languages. Isn't that weird?   How queer? I think they are. I know. It's very queer.   But,   but but no. This is actually what he's he's got in in planned.   So you won't be able to use your car because you got all this Ulys,   and the place would be like,   the streets of Manhattan.   So what was once beautiful countryside   will be all steamrollered and all loads and loads of high rise blocks.  



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Horrendous. It's it's not looking very good for us, is it really? I don't want to sort of, you know, we can't be too miserable because everybody turns up here to be happy and to be disconnected to   kind of everybody's just gonna turn out great, mate. But it isn't. It really is not, actually. It's certainly not turning out great   and, none of us, I guess, are surprised by that. Certainly, with these individuals and characters that have been dropped into this space to supposedly make decisions for us. I think,   obviously,   maybe not obviously, it would seem that this very large majority that the Labour Party have   is what's protecting them. I mean,   not that I'm bothered about things like,   opinion polls and stuff, although they do do them. Apparently,   this political party in government is polling the worst of any government ever recorded   after how long have they been in power? Is it nearly a year now or something? I don't know. Almost a year. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember. What was it? October, wasn't it? I can't remember. How do we get them out?  

I mean, how is there anything   couldn't they be got out legally?   They can't, I suppose. I mean, you know, if you were   let's suppose you were a car salesman. You probably were actually, probably selling cars at the Fockham Hall Garage, you know.   And and and I I came along one day and you buttered me up right royal and proper and you sold me on a car and it turned out that this car that you'd sold me just didn't do any of the things that you told me in the sales pitch. I would probably have a right to sue you. I mean, if you said it did 50 miles to the gallon, I was getting 10 to it, I'd be quite cross or whatever. You know, I'm just trying to sort of illustrate it with the point that if you were loose with your language   and mouth and made a binding promise and it turned out to be that the what the promise was based on was all lies that you had knowingly delivered,   I'd be probably in a strong position to sue you, you know, ropey goods, whatever you say. Why are we not in a position to do that to these people?  

It it's   it's as if once someone has got in. I know I'm I'm talking like a child. I do understand this, but I'm just sort of throwing you up because these questions are not really asked.   We we seem to have literally no means of defense.   I mean, you and I are gonna be here for years if we carry on doing this for for the duration.   All that's gonna happen is people will rock up and we'll be just telling them what awful things have happened over the past week.   I mean, we have to sort of address some of them because they are awful. Awful is not even anywhere near strong enough.   And yet there seems to be no path. I'm not being defeatist about this. I've got ideas obviously, but there seems that there's certainly not a kind of obvious path   to actually stop them. I mean there's two things here. One is I think   the restoration of the nation which includes things like fine buildings and all the all the good things that we want to see come back. Literally in terms of physical restoration but also spiritual and cultural, all of these things need to be restored back to where the English and the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish want them. I'm not bothered about anybody else. It's not their say even though Sadiq Khan thinks it's his say.  

But,   we can't just spend the rest of our lives describing this stuff, can we? Well, I mean, we can.  

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Our enemy has got the best weapon,   and that is   propaganda.   They have the media.   And the media is such a powerful tool.   Wars are won and lost   in the minds and hearts of people.   Mhmm. And that's how World War two, the Allies won because we had better propaganda than Germany did.   Yeah. And we could lie far superior, far superior way than Germany.   And the fact of the matter is that we got to look at what have we got. Now, I'm always saying we don't need government,   but with the mindset of the population now,   if we did away with government now, there's so many zombies walking around. It would take several generations   for something to work,   two generate I don't know how many generations. Now look what happened in Poland. There was two years without a government, and the polls said it's the best two years of their lives. People are setting up businesses, things work, things start, and then suddenly, warm incomes, government, everything goes tits up again. Mhmm. So I think that's what Gandhi said, or even though Gandhi, I believe, was part of the establishment.  

Yeah. Civil disobedience.   Total civil because let's let's get one thing straight. Does anybody believe   this bunch of cretins got honestly voted in with a bit large majority?   I don't.   No. I think that that I think it is complete and utter fiddle   because I know of two parties or two people.   There's the,   English,   Democratic Party.   Yeah. Who are noted that that there's a chappie, Graham   Hart, I believe his name is. He's looking into this because it's very strange   that, well, he's looking into vote rigging because it looks like they've been vote rigging. And the chap I never remember his name. He's that conservative MP   that was honest about the jabs.  

And now he went as an independent from Leicestershire. I just can't remember his name. I've I've always got a mental block of his name.   Right. And he reckons he got something like 3% of the vote where he normally got 65%   of the vote. So what's going on?   And he's noticing that there's lots of weird things going on. So I don't believe these cretins are getting voted in at all. They're placed there.   And what they do that they're using,   skills social engineering   skills that they're paying social engineers the best   money that we can pay for to keep us under control.  

Mhmm. And what we   really have got to do is counter subvert. They're subverting us, so we help them to destroy themselves.   We counter subvert.   And the best bit of counter subversion we've had so far is that thing where you got a registry of chickens,   and people are registering their,   rubber chickens, chickens from the supermarket,   and just destroying   the the website,   registering everything.   We've got to do that. Countess of us help them to destroy themselves.   Assist them in destroying themselves. We don't go against them. We help them,   if that makes sense. And I was Yes. I'm repeating what,   that Russian chaps said,   the, the subversion expert,   Yuri Bezhinov.  

Yuri Bezhinov,   he told him that we got we got to learn about subversion   and counter subvert them. And do it with laughter and humor.   Laugh at them. And we gotta do that all the way through. Don't hit like with like.   They want you to become violent. No. We're not gonna become violent. We're just gonna laugh at them.   That's the best thing ever.  

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Do you think psychologically   I I mean, I hate saying the word psychologically, but just in the natural disposition of people that   generally   people tend to avoid solutions.  

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Yes.  

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They're not attractive, are they?  

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That's right. Well, they've got to make a decision, haven't they? That's that's problem. People don't wanna make they want someone to make the decision for them.   But we haven't got,   a better be careful what I say now. Oh, you better. They're looking for a leader,   and the powers that be are providing these fake leaders like Farage and people like that.   And   they come up and they go and they come and they go. What they do, they raise people's expectation,   in in in, expectations. What's all that? They raise people's   morale and then they destroy it. They raise it again and destroy it. And they're doing that all the time. So, you know, are we gonna escape this tyranny? Yes. We are. No. We're not. Yes. We are. No. We're not. We need someone   that's got up cast iron   top SAS troops around them, surrounding them, who's a man of the people to   to set up a separate government and say, you're right. You can stuff your government. Because quite honestly, to me, government and a whole system of Westminster is mafia.  

In fact, they're an insult to mafia   because, they are far more efficient.   The the the mafia   are inefficient compared with government. Mhmm. The government are far more efficient at stealing from you. So I actually think   that's what it needs.   Where that person is, I do not know.   But the fact is   the only way of changing things is to take of over the broadcasting.   And that's it. And that's why they're worried about censorship.   That's why that's why they're worried about the Internet. I mean, that's why they're censoring it. That's why, BitChute and Gap have been booted out,   because of this that law last year of the hate speech laws and things like that.  

These small companies are frightened of falling foul of that law because they got they'd have to pay out it bankrupt them. That's why they're pulling the plug,   in Great Britain.   So we've got to set up something   that gets round all this   and   ritually   look for   our own government, a separate government that is and just they lose, you know, that so that they lose all credibility. How that's gonna be done? I haven't the foggiest idea. Any ideas, anyone?  

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Any ideas? Send them on a postcard to That's right. The More Ministry of Propaganda, Fockem Hall, Fockem Shire.   And, I'm sure they'll get   there. Enclose the self addressed envelope for a, you know, rapid response and reply.  

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Betty in the Clark's department. Absolutely. What about we offer a Fockem Hall pencil to anybody,   the wonder pencil?  

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That's what it needs. The wonder pencil. You say, Eric? A Fockem Hall wonder pencil, please. Wonder pencil.  

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Yes.   This wonder pencil, well, it's a wonder. It really is. And by the way, the MP was Andrew Bridgen, the man I couldn't do. And thanks,   revision me revision media. Thanks, mate, for coming up with that. But the Fockemall wonder pencil has   Fockemall radio   stamped on the side of it,   and the things it can do. You know, it saves marriages.   And what you were saying, what was it, about the constipated Clark that managed to work on the paper? The other thing I was thinking is,  

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got a maths problem, got constipation,   get a Fockem Hall wonder pencil, and you can work them both out.   Yes. That's my tagline. That's it. It needs a bit of work. It's a bit long. Oh, but you It's safe down marriage.  

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Derek and I like trainspotting,   and we once we got the Evocca ball pencil,   we got into bus spotting, and we're really into the 69   bus now.   Things like that. The pencil could become that symbol  

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of, you know, unity amongst the British.  

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That's right. Well, let's face it.   I think we could have our own flag, which is a pair of,   Victorian winter drawers. We just hoist up the flagpole.   That would be our flag that shows rebellion, doesn't it? It does. They're everywhere. I mean, you could buy them easily. Mightier than the sword. Is that what it's gonna be? Correct. Yes. A p a kind of flag with a pencil on it.   So there we are. See?  

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So if it wasn't for pencils, we'd be in a sorry state. I love pencils. They're great. They're very very good. Yes. Look, I look forward to seeing it. Have you well, if you get a picture of it, send it through and we can I certainly will?   I'll feature it on, say, next week's show. Soon as I will put it in, you know, with a big arrow saying buy now, buy buy buy, you know. Yes. You can have all these bogus adverts. I didn't buy one. I bought 4,000 pencils. I love them that much. I've got a nice house.   I've just remortgaged   my house to buy sufficient pencils to write forever. Yours, you know, Ron hopeless.  

That'd be that's what we would do. That'd be marvelous. Yes. And,  

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if off air, of course. You want to give me your address, I'll pop some pencils in the wonder pencils in the post. Do it off air. Oh. And,   yes. And, the postman, I'll put on the outside of the post the thing.   Embarrassing item in clothes   so that, you know, it it it so the postman, you know,   it's embarrassing.  

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It's special. Embarrassing. Room Special embarrassing. Things contained in this envelope. Yes. Absolutely.   That's what you want.  

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Why not? So there we go.   And also got the wonder pen as well.   So Yes. That's a bit more expensive. Yes.  

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Yes.   Near the quickly of the cellophane. Yeah. It's actually yeah. Oh, that's an exciting sound. Yes. Now that needs to go on the audio track for the radio ad. Yeah. What is this the sound of?   This is a man just about to receive his Fockem Hall pencil.   And they have all these gasps of amazement.   Like, look at the size of his pencil. There we go.   Who were missus?   This advert is produced by the Double Entendre advertising agency.   So   that's what this should be one.  

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We need all of that. Tonight.  

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I had noticed. Yeah. That's what we need. Yeah. We need Or was it, so XO says or a g thank you, Eric. And it says or a Jimmy Savile fix it badge? No. I don't think so.   That's a bit of a pain in a bum, ain't it?   You're steady. And, actually,   in the in Billy Silver, he said in chat, he said, what do you reckon the ratio in the population   of awake   now compared with the awake   around in '90 in World War two?   Well, when you look at the marvelous job   that the,   propaganda ministry did,   now   my late father used to read the newspapers   to   his blind father. He had a father that was totally blind and was a greengrocer, would you believe? And he ran a store whilst totally blind. That's quite a sheer achievement. Anyway, on with the story.  

So my dad was quite, awake to what was really going on,   and he could see that this is a war that didn't happen.   And he was absolutely shocked when we declared war on Germany, when Germany was advancing away for us, going into Poland. I mean, it just didn't make sense. But that's not a story.   And   what happened is people were very, very anti war.   And I believe,   is that the 1936   or 1938? I'm doing this from memory. I think it was 1938 that the British Legion, it wasn't Royal then, sent a contingency,   a peace contingency   to meet with, mister h   because they did not want war. Because remember the first world war had only been over, what, nineteen, twenty years   before and there was a huge generation that had seen the killing fields   of World War one, and the entire nation was virtually anti war.  

And that and the British Legion when it started was anti war.   And they managed with propaganda   to turn that round   in a matter of months,   and where Hitler   was the darling of the press in '19 beginning of nineteen thirty nine. He was featured in Homes and Gardens.   He was Time Man of the Year and they turned that round in a matter of months.   It was a most incredible piece of propaganda that they did.   So,   they will   that's that's how powerful it is then. Just think how powerful it is now.   So there's lots of people that are awake, but unfortunately,   what could they do?  

That was it. And my further was and, if you wanted to be a conscientious objector,   first of all you needed a good education and you had to be a member of a peace group for at least a year   prior to war starting.   Yeah.   And if you said, well, no. I'm a supporter of Oswald Moseley. Again, you had to be a member   of   his, black shirts for at least a year before the war started. Otherwise, you went in the front line. So you could not be a conscientious objector for any reason. And the people that were put in jail were the ones that have been members   of the Blackshirts   for at least a year.  

So   that's it. You could not get out of the war. And they closed the borders between   Northern And Southern Ireland because people were legging it to Northern Ireland and going across the border.   So a lot of people legged it.  

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Well speaking of propaganda and that and that period,   not that this is necessarily on topic for this show completely tonight but, anybody that's seen the,   the image for today, we have a picture of Uncle Sam, you know, the patriotic   fictional character of well maybe he's not fiction, he's probably based on someone, maybe some American can   call in and put me right.   Against,   an image of Lord Kitchener   who was the face of World War one, which was one of the most effective propaganda campaigns   to such that that that image is still bouncing around today every now and again with him pointing your country expects you to take your trousers off, and run around like a lunatic or whatever it was.   And,   it's also probably one of the greatest mustaches   ever,   in real life.  

And I wanted I wanted to look a few bits of information up about him.   I just came across this little anecdote about him which I'm just gonna read out. It's just as an aside. Hang on while I choke.   Just a minute.   Oh, very good. You could you covered for me excellent. There we go.   So this is just a little bit from by Jeremy Paxman, which people over here will he he wrote an article about him, because there's a little,   there's a sort of plaque over in the Orkneys which is where he died. He was killed aboard HMS Hampshire.   And I just want to read a little bit about it and then a really rather odd bit about it. He's like, it's just very silly.  

He says, though hardly remembered today,   the wreck of the Hampshire was seen at the time as little short of a national disaster.   Hundreds of men perished among them the best known soldier in the English speaking world who became the most senior officer from either side in the First World War to die in active service.   When news of the loss of HMS Hampshire reached London, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, now you keen types will know that he's the author of the Sherlock Holmes   stories along with doctor Watson,   reached for his ink.  

Pot alright. I've got that all wrong. Reached for his ink pot.   Lord Kitchener, he said, had left behind, quote,   the memory of something vast and elemental coming suddenly and going strangely, a mighty spirit leaving great traces of its earthly passage.   When those shots rang out in Sarajevo in 1914,   Britain had been without a war secretary. Kitchener, sixty four, was a soldier. Sixty four, you know. So there's hope for us yet,   rather than a politician. Yet the obvious choice for the job. At six foot two inches   with piercing blue eyes set in a weathered face, he was an imposing presence.  

If not a great man, he's a he was at least a great poster. The prime minister's wife, Margo Asquith, was supposed to have sneered,   referring to the famous recruiting advertisement which is in today's show image.   He says, but without his appeal for volunteers, Britain could not have survived the early stages of the fighting. He soon became   to the First World War what Churchill, a dreadful comparison, would later be to the Second. Anyway,   it just goes on this a little bit I wanted to get to.   He says, this vain imposing arrogant man   arrived at the war office garlanded with medals, stars, and satin sashes for raising the Union Jack over numerous corners of foreign fields.  

Having survived this is the key bit. Listen to this. This is just mad.   Having survived a brutal upbringing in Ireland,   his father   disdained blankets, preferring to sleep under sheets of newspaper   sewn together,   and once punished his son by staking him out on the lawn wrists and ankles tied to croquet hoops.   He had risked to become the greatest public expression of ramrod uprightness. I think he was. Right? Yes. I think he was. And   I had sort of,   a question about what I thought at the time was his dubious, let's call it sexuality. It turns out that he was straight as an arrow, and most of that is just myth mongering. He was, he was he never got married, but I think he was married to the military. So he sort of   he ticks an awful lot of boxes and it is a ridiculously good mustache. I don't think they're growable to such strength these days except by certain sort of pursuit types. I certainly can't   get one like that, you know. My son's very cross about this. Dad, I can't grab a mustache like Lord Kitchener. I said, well, only Lord Kitchener could do that, my lad. He doesn't know it's Lord Kitchener, of course, but,   and I mention it because   if you want to talk about effective propaganda and pulling the country together, yes, I know in times of war, they absolutely unleash everything at us to get us to do it. We're now faced with a situation where internally or amongst ourselves, we've got to find a way of doing it to ourselves. I think   the non compliance thing is it but like I was saying   I think we kind of, I'm including myself here, we burn bright with the solutions but for a much shorter period and then in the end it's like this psychological disposition we have towards dramatic bad news. We get sucked back into that space again of going   like we've been doing here tonight. I can't help it. Right? Oh, they're doing this. Oh, they're doing that. Oh my god. What's what's gonna go on? Can somebody not turn up and save us? Well, it appears that the answer to that is no.  

I'm sorry to bring it to all of us but it appears that it's no.  

[00:34:32] Unknown:

Isn't doesn't it? Isn't it? Wasn't it? But but look at your local area. When you think about it,  

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what's going on around the is it?   Blimey.  

[00:34:46] Unknown:

I don't know what you word that one. Yes. I know what you mean. Yes. Your local area.   What goes   on around the world,   is it affecting   you and I   personally?   No.   But in a sort of an indirect way, I suppose,   you know, for example,   we'll be able to get American goods if we go back in the car in in in that was was we will will be going back into the common market and all that crap and that type of thing.   But   look at this another way. Look. See what we can do locally   to change things. And if we all work locally   in these little, like, groups and that and expand out, it's surprising what it it can do. How things can expand out.   And I think the idea of putting anybody up for parliament and all that is a waste of time because it's rigged. It is 100%  

[00:35:39] Unknown:

rigged. I And we gotta get be right. You might be right. I'm not so sure about that, Eric. I, in the end, I agree with you. In terms of an end result, I don't see the acquisition of vast amounts of power coming to the sorts of people that we would want to have it if they exist. I mean, I think they exist. I think two of them exist in this conversation   And most of the people listening,   they can form the first cabinet. It doesn't matter if we're crap at it.   In fact, if we were really bad   and said, look, we're absolutely useless at these jobs, so we're actually literally not going to turn up and do them, the country would start to work better.   It's because these people turn up and think they can do the job. And let's and we've run out of ways to describe   the sheer unbridled incompetence. It's more than that. They've been specially selected   for their   superb uselessness   fused with a tremendous arrogance that they're actually the most useful purple you people that you ever saw.  

The I mean, they've got to be selected on that basis. It's absolutely it's beyond the oafish.   The   Rachel from accounts doesn't understand anything about anything much. They've already I heard today I mean, why am I getting drawn into this? I think it's because, you know, the solution is to smash the bank to to a million pieces   in such a way that it can never reassemble itself. But what that means literally, it's not just physically, but, in fact, you don't need to the building's quite nice really, the Bank of England and all this kind of the buildings can stay. We're talking about this   bizarre mentality   that people have which of course is not bizarre to them because they've never questioned   it. They've never said,   oh could we have this moneylark a different way? No one even talks about it. So you hear all the news, all of the news and the mainstream media are wrapped up in this context   and just think that if we try a bit harder under the current system we can sort it out. You can't.  

It's never been sorted out.   It's it's never sorted out at all. It's like you were saying, maybe you were saying it earlier, you know, whenever there's the requirement for war, there is no shortage of money. Things can be done   and they're driven because someone's gonna pick up a lot of booty at the end of it and it won't be you and me. We'll be doing the dying bit or, you know, basically.   Historically, that's what's happened.   But when we're back in peace, there's never any enough there's not enough money for houses. We've got a situation though now which is an onslaught   of attack.  

It's not being described right. This is war being waged   through bureaucracy.   It's more than just warfare, it's actual warfare.   So he sneaks back into Europe and goes and speaks to Ursula von der Leyen. I didn't give him permission to do that. Did you? Did you give him permission? Did he come and ask you? Did he did he get an absentee? No. I'm not gonna be paying attention. I'm off to go and hobnob with people that you've told me I shouldn't hobnob with.   Why can't he just be fired?   I mean, there's no ground rules for this. It's it's madness. It's literally a dictatorship   masquerading as a supposed democracy, and democracy is garbage anyway because it's led to this.  



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Well, look, what where I live, near where I live,   on the June,   I'm not giving that advert for it. They're going to now, I live in what they call the home counties.   So, I live in Hertfordshire.   Mhmm. So   and   the local council from our money   is being in grants for this.   Now,   mass immigration   hasn't really happened that much. Well, it is beginning to have been roads where I live,   but I they're going to have a wind rush weekend   celebration.   And Right. It's all being paid for by our money.   You say a Windrush celebration. You don't mean a flatulence competition, do you? Well, it could be. I mean, I'm wondering whether I'd go there with with some greens. Is that You'd win. But I'd win, wouldn't I? Yes. Yes. I'll put all that there.   Yes. But the boat the wind well, I'll drink all that. It's the wind rush, the one that brought a lot of West Indian people   over here   Mhmm. With false promises.  

And that's basically what it was because I, you know, I said the other week about that gentleman I spoke to who was from West Indians.   Mhmm. And he said, when he got here, he realized he'd been conned.   And it is only a one way ticket,   and he said he couldn't go back. He couldn't afford to go back. So he's stuck here.   And, I had a really long conversation with him, and he said he felt sorry that he was taking the jobs that the World War two blokes that fought in World War two should have had. He said, and all this stuff about manpower, she was rubbish.   He said complete rubbish.  

And,   I don't know. I'm not sure if he came over on the wind rush, but he came over he must have come over on the ship. So Yeah. Why are we we've got this celebration   where I live, which,   my county happens to be landlocked. There is no water around. So what what what what what's the Windrush got to do with Hertfordshire   Council?   Nothing whatsoever.   So   why is there a celebration for it? What is it to celebrate?   You know?  

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It's to celebrate them keeping their jobs by complying with the cultural decay program.  

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Yeah. Isn't it? That's it. That's it. I mean, it it it's infuriating. It really is. So that's one thing we could do. West Indian people as well. Just literally not go to it.   Walk away from it. Because,   you know, the view that this West Indian man had, I don't think if he was still alive, I don't think he would go to either. He chose sod that. What we got to celebrate for? He was conned to come over here and they were. They were conned.   That's it, you know.  

[00:41:16] Unknown:

I mean, do you think it boils down to maybe I mean, it's more complicated than this but one aspect of it is   we have, say,   this communistic   Labour Party type thing, this globalistic   thing   and it would appear   a cursory glance if you just follow the decisions that apparently they've made and this and the other that they absolutely detest their fellow Britain.   They do. They do. Why would I say such a thing? Because,   if you look at the policy decisions that they're making,   they harm us first,   they harm us always,   they reduce the quality of our life always   and they persist in this.  

They don't   not persist in it. What what is their vision of this happy world? It's got to be, you know, and I'm repeating myself, but that their mind has been taken over with this   completely bogus idea   that if you mix everybody together it's all going to turn out great.   In the process of even doing this, they can't even see that it's getting worse.   Like, I think they literally cannot see it because it's an affront   to their ideology   and this, you know, like you were saying earlier that they live in cities and stuff. They live in this rarefied sort of liberal   space where they're chattering away all day long about things that they've never done that they're never going to do and that they're kind of disconnected   from natural good robust living which is part and parcel of being down here, you know, it's not always sort of lovely and comfy sofas and stuff like that. Sometimes life can be physically quite a challenge and it's going to get that way for all of us as they continue to make these decisions. I mean, he's gone over there.  

I think he's also agreed something with the World Health Organization. I mean, it's like literally if if you and I were to put this list down of everything that we want to see disappear   that that the people of this country don't want any part of.   They are targeting   going in the opposite direction on every single point, on every single one.   So they will say we're stopping the boats. That's not even a good sentence. It's useless.   It's not, are they gonna be stopped? This is to protect our borders. What are you talking about? You haven't done anything.   And yet this is absorbed into the mainstream media for what forty eight, seventy two hours. We then get to the middle of the week, there's another story comes up and then we move on and then someone books looks back and go, hey, a month ago you said this and there's still nothing happened. Oh, we're getting around to it.  

There's no reason   why any of these things need to take any time at all except   that the the condition of the minds in the whole of this bureaucratic   system   must be either a combination   of toadies, of which there's got to be a lot of those, people terrified about not getting paid at the end of the month which I would include probably everybody now, people becoming fearful of that and there will be people who actually are championing it, people with some kind of venal hatred for their own people.   And they do exist, those people. I think they exist in all races and groups. I don't know why but they do. Maybe they feel as though, you know, life hasn't turned out right for them and they're owed something. Well, we all have felt that at certain points, you know, the more you feel it the more you realize how useless it is because it doesn't change anything. It doesn't improve stuff. So I mean these traditional values that I harp on about and correct and rightly in my view because that's why keep banging on about them, like family   and the segregation of boys and girls at school,   they go against every single one. It's almost as if it's simply designed anything   that would, return us back, that would restore   national cultural   tribal   health   is to be opposed.  

You can't have that. I think as well the the outside influences   of the financial interferers   must be taken into account. There's a woman called Charlotte Gill. I think she used to be a journalist. I'm not a fan, I'm not a non fan. I don't know enough about her. I just see certain posts every now and again, but I saw something from her earlier this week where she'd been doing a bit of research into all these organizations that the George Soros Foundation funds.   One's called Best for Britain or Best of Britain or something   and she'd asked some questions of them and they just kicked her off. She couldn't subscribe to their Twitter account or x account and all this kind of stuff.  

This interference   from foreign money   has literally perverted   any integrity that our government may once have had and there's none there. It's as if they are literally   they are doing the work for people that pay them and protect them to destroy this thing, to open markets up, although it's a lot more than just that. But these are all sorts of stages in this sort of globalization   process and everything that we cherish,   everything that's valuable, that's unique and distinct about any area of the world, this will go for all of them, is to be just chewed up.   No one can really fully work out why because it's a ridiculously miserable and silly process. There's no need for it. I know I'm talking like a gimp here when I speak like this, right? But I'm just sort of airing it just so I can hear how foolishly naive I sound back to myself, you know, but,   you you have to wear these different hats, I think, when you're communicating about this stuff. So   he's just sold the Chagos Islands apparently. Actually, he hasn't sold them. He he he's apparently going to pay   to get rid of them   and they're not in so it says here on The Guardian. I keep going to The Guardian because it's just incredible as The Guardian. You wanna meet people who will literally run counter to everything you and I talk about and that we hope they're here. It says The UK signs a 3,400,000,000.0   deal to cede sovereignty over Chagos Islands to Mauritius.  

That's not 3,400,000,000.0   that we're going to receive. This is $34,400,000,000.0   he's going to pay out and give the islands away.   Right?   Now, I I I don't mind who's under I don't know about the Chagos Islands.   Right? But this guy is obviously beyond stupid. He's an absolute liability. It's like having a maniac in charge of a multinational corporation and literally destroying it from within because he's actually working for another multinational corporation, but you can't throw him off the board because all the other board members are working for it as well.  

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It's it's it's so corrupt. It's it's unbelievable   now. When you look at the corruption, the open corruption there is,   we don't have a police force. We never really have had a police force. But I like this idea what they had brought up. Was it the peace, p e a c e officers?   Yes. That would go along and tell the police what they well, we need our own police force   to actually be on our side. And I saw a fantastic film, there are some positive things happening, where a a poor lady, she was disabled. She's being booted out of our house   because she didn't pay a council tax.  

And,   the police were there, and suddenly,   a huge number of these peace officers turned up.   And the police were outnumbered,   And they're very politely and respectfully telling the police that they shouldn't be there. It's nothing to do with them.   And, telling them the law   and laying down the law. And it was quite intimidating.   And this is what we need.   In America, they had the minutemen.   This was, the American,   oh, was it, independence, when they had the war of independence. They had the minutemen Yep. Who could be ready within a minute. We need something like that. People to protect us   against them,  

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against these men. Be the five minute men because we'd have to get our trousers on, wouldn't we? It take a little bit Well, that's right. Yes. Gotta look proper if we're gonna do this sort of thing. And I've gotta clean my teeth as well, so I'll make that ten minutes. Oh, yes. Hold on a minute. Turning up on parade with dirty teeth.  

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That's right. And,   what about,   what about, you know, you're gonna need to go to the loo as well. So you got gotta do that. Add that in as well. I'd say make it a twenty minute man or half an hour man. But, seriously, we need something like that. Well a bit of a bit of a bit of fire with you. No. Not that bit. Yeah. I know what you mean. Do do you remember those Hollywood films where they always used to have the car cars, you didn't they, in with the hotel room. And, you know, Cary Grant, when he was with a pretty lady, when he came out of the bathroom, he never said, oh, I'd leave it up there a few minutes before you go in there or I'll go to the window.  

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Why does it spin?   Why does it spin   always in this direction? It's just like a force of nature.   See, it's quite remarkable, actually. There we were having nice decent conversation,  

[00:49:28] Unknown:

and suddenly toilets are looming large in every sentence. It's outrageous. Well, I told you when I was born this is a % true. My mother told me this. As I came out of her, she accidentally eased herself, and the first breath I took was in a great pile of poop.  

[00:49:46] Unknown:

That's the reason why. Anyway, this this used to be a family show. I'm terribly sorry for those of you who are having lunch or anything right now. It's I can't control him. It's not possible at times. We just had a mouthful. A sausage drinker.   Yeah. Absolutely.   But, just looking over at some of the rumble comments as well, by the way, just to sort of hop around a bit, maybe knock you off your toilet pedestal for a moment. I don't mind, by the way. I'm just sort of teasing a bit. I know. Yeah. When were you talking about,   Windrush,   Exo put yeah. But free bananas, but I didn't read it out at the time because it seemed incredibly wrong for me to say such a thing.  

Herodotus getfooked   writes with regards to Kitchener,   Tashtastic.   I wish I'd said that. I always put Tastic at the end of the box. Tashtastic.   I think Tashtastic   is brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. So let's all get it is Tashtastic. It's absolutely top. You you know, where did they grow them? They must have had special sorts of farms for growing those sorts of messages back there.   Yeah. And then, Exo also wrote just after   that, why have you put Kitchener   next to the American that invented Kentucky fried chicken? The chicken. This is a very good this is a very good question actually. Yeah. I want you to eat my fried chicken. Maybe that tash   of Kitchener's  

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actually was sort of like a safeguard against too much fried chicken. It's like a fried chicken scoop or something. It's like a an upper lip guard or something like that. I don't know really. I don't know why I know what it is. I know what it is. The logo is finger licking good. That's why he's got his finger out like that. His finger licking good, isn't it? That's it. Finger licking good. Yeah. Yeah. But,   I know. Actually, I do believe that,   they are worried, the powers that be.   And I think that's because you know that during World War two, they had,   a special   unit set up   Mhmm. Of people that earwigs.  

What was going on? Did you there was a name for it. Again, I I it's off the top of my head. I'll try and find it in, Google. But and what it was, these people went all around towns and cities there, listening to people in shops   Mhmm. To get a judge of the mood of the nation,   and that was fed back to the social engineers so they could manipulate things and nudge things and things like that.   And they had it in those days. So you think what they got today?   They got it Mhmm. More at their fingers better   than they ever done before. And   I think that's the reason why we're having all these fake heroes come up, like Farage, and then they disappear,   and they come up again, and they disappear.  

Tommy Robinson, who is, shall we say, I believe is an agent of a country we're not allowed to criticize,   but people fall for it. And this is what,   Nathan   meant in his book, Fake Awake. He said the so called truth movement has been taken over and are brainwashed.   That is the sad fact. They're brainwashed   with   a form of truth that the government wants them to believe.  

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And there's a lot of hard Well, I think I mean, I think it's almost unavoidable.   I think it's almost unavoidable when you think that the default position for most people, understandably,   is that they want order,   they want to live in a civilization,   they still see the best bet for that being that we all obey something centrally   that's that's laying it down. It's taking quite a long while for people to realize that that order giving center   is completely out of whack and is not actually their friend. But they keep hearing these things as though they're gonna help and and they're not.   And it is that sort of what you mean I've got to make my own decisions.  

Well, yeah. If you want to sort of participate in a positive outcome of your own life whilst you're down here. I mean, you can get all we can get super enlightened about it and we should at times. I'm not dismissing this because there is more to life than just this innings. That's my view. People might not share it but, I am sustained strongly by that view and I've been ever since I was young because it just doesn't otherwise none none of it really makes sense. However,   whilst we're here as stewards supposedly,   we have to be able to be stewards. We're denied that. No no no. You need us to sort it out. We can look after you better than you can look after yourselves. To which my response is, I'm not inviting you to do that. I accept that I've got problems and weaknesses. They're mine. They're the ones that I have to overcome in my life. I intend to try and do it. We've got a thing called the law which I can see that you guys in government are not obeying. I'm kind of keen on doing that because I get a very strong sense that we're going to be much stronger for it And, of course, this thing with all the migrants and the boat people and all this, it relies on a bogus argument   which is that who could turn these poor people down?  

Well, if that's the case, we've been turning them down for the previous two thousand years.   In fact, if anybody got here before in the past, we'd kill them.   Because usually when they turned up, they would end up killing us. Right? This just happens to be the way but all of this is terrible. This isn't a real it's an irrelevant observation   there. Of course, it's terrible. And   it's the way human beings behave.   There's no, you know, oh we're much more sophisticated. No we're not. But if if we were heaven forbid that it comes to this. But if we're placed in a position which they like to use of squeezing the food supply   the standards of behavior are gonna not just fall through the roof, they're gonna become appalling.  

Right? People don't know how awful they how we can all become. It's bad circumstances that make for bad people. Oh. Here we are. I agree with you. Yeah. With the government create intentionally   creating   bad circumstances   whilst pretending through a smile that this is all for the betterment of everyone.   If they allowed each group,   you know, it's as if I need their permission I don't but I'm just phrasing it that way.   To actually look after their own as we can do quite easily.   I mean their great fear is that their position would be seen to be irrelevant which it is.   It's it's the it's the role of an interferer   and they have to maintain that interference to justify their position to keep sorting out all the problems that they create whilst they're interfering with us.  



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Big breath. But, yeah. Do you know what might be a blessing in disguise?   If the electricity switch is flicked   over and we're without electricity,   After about three days, I think you you get more than a rumble in the jungle   because Mhmm. Alright, there's people up in Scotland that go without electricity for weeks, but there's there are isolated   areas, and there are people that's used to to being able to survive without electricity.   Down at South especially   people are not used to it   and when you think about it if you've got no electricity,   and I think it might be done. You've got no tea. Not only that you won't have any water through your tap either.  

You won't have any,   well, everything just grinds to a halt. That's it. So the only way you can survive will be back to hunting rabbits and and things, you know, in fields for to get some meat   because the supermarkets shelves will be empty.   In fact, you won't be able to get into supermarkets. They close the doors. So what would they do? You wouldn't have any Internet.   People would start talking to each other. People start becoming friendly, and the people start thinking, hang on a minute. What's this government doing?   It and realize that without electricity, you wouldn't get any propaganda.  



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No. You're right.   Well, I think some kind of a mechanism of, for want of a better word, recruitment into   this space if not this literal one, this type of space is required. I know, you know, I've talked about parishes before.   Apparently the Church of England had something about restoring the parishes. Exo, I believe, sent that over to me   and I have yet had a chance to look at it.   I just feel   generally everything that comes from the top is always a worry and and the reason it's a worry is that the top has been the top for a long time   and it's got illnesses that it can't even detect in itself. It's got dysfunctionalism   inside it in the way it operates, the way that the people that go into there end up thinking after they've been institutionalized   by it, though they can't perceive and everybody becomes sort of stuck on their position I'm right, you're wrong and all this kind of stuff and that's what we've got. I mean,   I know I'm being it's facile for me to say this but   there is no   real communication   and never has been   between the so called electorate   and the people that they've elected to apparently manage   the nation.  

They don't there isn't any and this is because of this propaganda system. You know, the use of mass media has changed the world considerably because as we well know, the financial powers perceiving this to be the great power, which it is because it conditions people's minds to either accept or reject things,   seized it pretty early on. And of course, we had, you know, we talked about it before. When the Internet arrived in the mid nineties,   it was wonderful in the sense that there literally was. No one had even thought about   HTTPS   and secure websites. Nobody even bothered about it. There was no, oh, you're gonna lose everything. There was nothing there was just us on it talking.  

That's what made it so really rather wonderful, to be quite honest, as you banged around going, oh, I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, I don't agree. All that kind of stuff,   was happening back then. It still happens in real life, but, of course, they're even squeezing that down as well, that kind of stuff, you know. So Woah. It's tricky.  

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There's another Internet starting. It's it's early days. Have you heard of Meshtastic?  

[00:59:11] Unknown:

And that Yeah. No. I'm aware of that. I'm aware of that. But as I said, I think that you have all the energy for all these things. It's not because I'm   knocking on. I've I feel I mean, I get up early. I work pretty hard throughout the day but my my my head's swimming   with all these jobs that need to be done and I'm going this can't be right. It's far too complicated what's going on in my head. There's some sort of initial fire   has to be lit inside all of us and I'm it lights up in me every now and again and I'm much happier when I'm like that.   You know what I mean? When you get intensely passionate about a thing,   and if we can't get intensely passionate about what's happening to us now,   we really   we really don't deserve to live much longer. I was like, how much worse is it? Oh, it's alright. No. It's this is not alright. This is not alright at all. I'll tell you another thing is that that we might have to go back to the old fashioned ways. I mean, do you remember Oz Magazine  

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years ago? And they the government banned it. Yeah.   And   I think the underground press,   unfortunately, it's quite expensive because of paper and things like that. But there might be a sort of,   this is why I'm thinking, you know, we'd have all times in there.   We've got to,   get information   out, but  

[01:00:27] Unknown:

do it in a way because the good thing about press Hold on hold on to that thought, Eric, because we're at the top of the hour, and I wanna talk about this local radio thing and we've got, in the second hour coming up in a few minutes time,   we're gonna be joined by, Patrick,   who is,   contacted me a little bit earlier today. He wasn't on last week, of course,   but Patrick,   contacted me and I had a chat with a chap from South Africa,   who's gonna be joining us as well,   Ivan Basson and, it'll they'll be coming up in a few minutes into the second hour so I'm looking forward to that. I'm gonna play a little sweet song. How about that? Oh. Play This is sweet and nice.   It's called Living on the River and it might be prescient. Maybe we're all gonna be living on it soon. We'll be you're listening here to Paul English Live on WBN three two four. We'll be back after this short break into hour two.  



[01:03:14] Unknown:

Always there.   Yeah. Paul told me that we'd be able to talk during the break so, it's this kind of,   first time for that. He's trying out something. Anyway, hello, Patrick and, Yeah, hello. This is   Yeah, things are good in Wisconsin.   Nice sunny days right now, Fluffy clouds in the sky.   Cool. Not too   hot. Yeah. Just got back from work. Not here.  

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Well, it's a bit like here, really. Or that's gonna go all wrong. We're getting some imported   rain from America.   Come across the Atlantic. It's gonna reach us by Saturday. So there we go, you know.  

[01:05:02] Unknown:

It's getting what we had.   We had that the past couple days,   and it was cold.  

[01:05:09] Unknown:

Yes. It's gonna there is gonna drop a few degrees tonight. It's gonna get cold tonight. We might have a frost, believe it or not, which is a little bit late in the season to get a frost here. So Really? You know?  

[01:05:19] Unknown:

Yeah. Really, you might have a frost. Hi. Yes.  

[01:05:22] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:05:23] Unknown:

Are we back on, Paul, yet? Yeah. Yeah. You're all back on. Yeah. You're all bumbling around saying things and doing things anyway. I'll just, so here you are. You listen to Paul English Live. It's,   Tuesday. No. It's Thursday.   And, we're just starting hour two. And, we've been joined by, Patrick, who many of you will know, isn't away last week. And, a good guest, friend, pal, and connection of his whom I spoke to a little bit earlier, Ivan Basson. Ivan and Patrick, welcome to the show. How are you?  

[01:05:50] Unknown:

Oh, very good. Yeah. I introduced my friend, Ivan Basson down in South Africa in Cape Town.   I've known him for years now, actually.   But, you know, he's on the radio down in South Africa. Had a show   on, Radio Veritas that used to exist, and I don't think it's I kinda it's kind of defunct at the moment. But, yeah. Ivan, welcome.  

[01:06:14] Unknown:

Well, thank you very much. It's it's an absolute pleasure. And unlike, our dear friend in, Wisconsin,   we're, we're watching the stars right now because the it's   it's evening.   And,   yeah, it's been a beautiful day, though. We you know, typical winter's day in South Africa, and,   sun was shining. There wasn't, any   clouds in the sky,   and it was beautiful. Beautiful. The day before, we had some rain.   And, the cape usually has winter   rain. Up, in Johannesburg,   it's the Highfelt.   We don't have winter rain. It's summer rain.   That's why when we play cricket and stuff like that, we've got those   thunder showers that hits the Wanderers, and then everything stops for a few minutes.  

And then the the the covers go on the pitch, and then when it comes off,   we play again. So, yeah, it's,   this is sunny South Africa.  

[01:07:15] Unknown:

It's nice to know, Ivan, that you start off talking about the weather just like we do whenever we get going. It's always the weather to get started, isn't it? I think it's good.  

[01:07:24] Unknown:

It is good.  

[01:07:26] Unknown:

No. So that that that's a good climate, but there's another climate that's taking place, the sort of political and human climate in South Africa and we've had this thing   this week over in America,   with,   with Mr. Trump and,   this Rama Poser chap and, even the golfer, Ratif Goosen, I saw him speaking and everything and   you being very very close to what's happening there   and what's occur what are the sort of what's the primary issues that are kicking around for   for your people out there in South Africa right now? And what what do you make of this Ramaphosa   amusement ride which has been taking place this week?  



[01:08:07] Unknown:

Well, all I can tell you is the following. We,   now I'm gonna have to say I'm a white guy. I'm an Afrikaner.   And,   we've for the last twenty   well, the last thirty years since '94,   we are no longer   the, people who rule the country. It's now been taken over by   the ANC.   And,   they've done it their way, which means that   political appointees,   things like that. And the moment   a white person would say, but, hey. Hold on. This is not fair.   They would immediately   start   labeling   you as a racist.   We had a politician. I'm sure you've heard of him. Tony Leon. He used to be the leader of the opposition many years ago. And he said that crazy part of,   coming out as a white person, when you complain about something   or reprimand somebody,   for a job not done well or,   illegal stuff happening or corruption,   the first thing that happens,   they pull out the racist   drum,   and they start drumming it.  

Yes. And and and, unfortunately,   when you you know, it's like playing   a game of cards,   and   the person has got the joker,   But he's got not just one or two jokers, he's got seven jokers.   And   whatever you do, no matter what you do, you're not gonna be able to play that game with a with a with with with somebody who's got seven jokers because they're gonna obviously   whip you. And so we've had this simple thing. The moment you speak, the moment you, whatever, talk about anything that's untoward   or corruption, etcetera,   you are immediately   shouted down, racist,   racist, racist.  

The crazy part, if we had to take   that same conversation   from a black person, a non white, to a white guy,   it's okay. They can tell you things. They can swear at you. They can belittle you. They can threaten you. And you can't say much because the moment you retaliate,   you obviously   said something racist   that got them going.   Now the beautiful part   of it all of,   president Trump,   he suddenly lifted   the lid   as to what's actually been happening   in South Africa   on the farms.   Now the crazy part   is the following.   The media has never covered it. I don't know why.   But in the same breath, the media has specific people who own it,   And they are obviously they say, when you lend money from somebody, you become their servant.  

And so these politicians who are put in places through the money that people give,   then whatever this person who's now giving the money, you will do whatever they say. And if they don't want it in the newspapers or in the media,   believe me, it's not going. Now what happened was to to give our listeners just a little bit of a understanding   of South African and and the politics. And believe me, I'm not a right wing,   radical Afrikaner.   I do not believe or I do not belong to any organization that is anti,   government or anything like that. I am a normal   South African who loves our country. I love our people. We really are here because we've we   stayed to help continue to build up and not break down the country.  

However,   the whole time, everything you know, the the the the deck is   is is loaded against you. No matter what you do, it's not good enough. The moment you complain, you're you're a racist.   Once upon a time, on the farms now as you know, Rhodesia   was a a colony of England, etcetera,   and it became Zimbabwe. And they started there   taking away land and,   you know, anything that was white was not good enough.   And which was once upon a time, the   food basket of Africa   became an absolute rubbish dump because all the farmers have now gone. There's no more productivity, etcetera, etcetera.   And   isn't it crazy to think that the same guys who chased the white farmers off their land many years ago are now asking them to return?  

And please come back and have   the land that we took from you. It's yours again.   And some people are taking back the off, the offer, and they're coming home.   And that's where they wanna be. And they are getting   huge, huge euro receptions   from the people that were there starving. Although they had their freedom,   and   they were starving. They have got nothing. And so in the same thing what's happened in South Africa, we are we've got phenomenal farmers.   We've got in beautiful climate. We've we we produce exceptional stuff.   However, in '94,   things started happening.  

Before '94, it was, apartheid,   and, it was, ruled by whites.   And   the farmers were vulnerable because they were targets.   And as you know, and by now, everybody knows the one song that   everybody in South Africa hates, which is kill the boa,   kill the farmer, and they they actually get so so enthusiastically,   up in arms. And, when they sing the song in a stadium of or a group of people, and they start   going,   kill the bull kill the farmer, and then they even go and copycat what is a sound like a gun would go.   You know, things like that. And that's okay.  

And when we complained about it, we took them to court,   took them to the highest court in the land.   They cannot see anything wrong with that that song. They feel that, it's a lovely   song that reminds them of their liberation.  

[01:14:37] Unknown:

It's lovely, Ivan. It's a lovely song.  

[01:14:40] Unknown:

Why would you not want to sing it? It's lovely, isn't it? Yeah. Yes. And then all the time, the farmers are being murdered. Now let's just go sorry. I've I've jumped the gun a bit, but let's just go back. Once upon a time, because the farmers were very very vulnerable,   they had things like commandos. In other words, you were not permanent   military,   but the military or the government gave you   arms and   radio equipment and everything you needed   to protect your family and and your farm.   And once that system was there, everything was peaceful because you could if there was an attack or anything, you could obviously fight back.   Then in ninety four,   one of the first things they did was take away the commandos. They said, nope. There's no such thing. You don't need,   military arms and rifles and radios and stuff anymore.  

They took it all away, and the farmers were suddenly vulnerable.   Before you knew it, the the song kill the poor, kill the farmer,   which is saying and and and appreciated by the liberation guys, etcetera, etcetera,   started becoming more and more of a irritation to anybody who's white.   But any case, they started killing farmers. They started   attacking farmers, etcetera, etcetera.   When the farmers went to the government to say, guys,   we're vulnerable here. Now this is even in Mandela's time.   Please help us. We don't we are being attacked.   They said there's no such thing. The next guy came, after Mandela was in Becky.  

They went to him and said, come on. Help us, Scott. This is wrong. You are murdering us. We are we are losing lives. We are scared. We are threatened. We are all those. And they said there's no such thing as,   killings, farm attacks,   and yet it went on.   And then one day,   some farmers got together and said, look.   Let us get the names   of the victims, people who have been killed on their farms, murdered mercilessly,   brutally.   We'll take the names of the person,   the date it actually happened,   the place where it happened, and we'll get the   case numbers, etcetera,   whatever is attached to this   so that nobody could ever wish it away.  

And so what they needed to do was, where do we get this now? What what are we gonna do? So then in South Africa, there's a place called   Guitaville.   And,   in Guitaville, in the free state,   there's a place called Nampo.   It stands for   National   Maize Reducers Organization.   It is the biggest   it's the biggest   agricultural   show in the Southern   Hemisphere.   So   it's huge, huge, huge.   So what they decided, the farmers,   was let's get together   and get the names together, and we put a monument   at that place.   Because it's got a lot of international   visitors, etcetera,   they can have a look and see what what's happening themselves.  

But now the problem is you need money. You need money to be able to build it.   Now in South Africa, they've got this BBEE,   black economic empowerment   laws,   that says that unless you've got a black partner   in your business, you you cannot get any government business or anything like that. Now what they've done is they've made it like, for instance,   your company,   it deals with my company. Now you've got a tender to to to fulfill,   and you used to get the stuff from me. But because I am not   BEE compliant,   you cannot get the tender anymore because   you're buying from me as a white guy.  

And so by law,   the guys were now forced to find   black economic empowered companies   where they would source this stuff   and be able to give it to the,   the tender, fulfill the tender.   But now what happens there is that the people who   who make the stuff is me. I'm my company has been known for it, and we've been producing it all the time. But, suddenly, we have sidelined.   We are no longer involved.   But now they give a guy who knows somebody in the politics,   they give him the tender.   Now if you got the stuff from me at a hundred thousand rand,   that guy gets the tender   at R500,000.  

But then he comes to me,   and he buys the stuff from me for a hundred thousand.   He gives it to them for 500,000.   Yep. And do you understand how the economy gets affected in that way? Our post office, that was one of the most incredibly well run   businesses.   One of the most incredible   companies was Eskom, the power supplier.   We talk about Danelle and OmScore and things like that. Suddenly, with corruption and sidelining   of proper businessmen, etcetera,   things started happening, and everything started going out of control.   And that's why state owned companies that were once upon a once upon a time   world renowned   for   quality   has gone   to waste. It's gone in, it's totally   out of money, out of stuff, etcetera,   getting back to the farmers.  

The farmers now needed money to build this monument   so that people in government can notice that there are murdering,   murdering,   people are being murdered on their farms.   And   they go to companies   to ask for money.   But because it's white people asking for this money and it's farmers,   or or it's a no go. We can't support this Because they might be seen as supporting   radical   activity.   And so   it was all just left. And so in the end,   I was sitting in a meeting with a bunch of guys   with this with these farmers, and they were, like, so downhearted because this is such a brilliant plan,   but nobody's prepared to give the money to help build it. There would no none of the corporations   and stuff would give the money.  

And   it would be obviously   dead before it started.   And then I said, man, come on. I can help. I'll help you.   And they said, have you got a thick checkbook?   And I said,   no. I'm the guy who's kept my bank manager on his knees all these years,   but I've got a plan.   And I said, come come. What's your plan? I said, no. No. No. Hold on. I know that we're gonna make a plan,   but somewhere along the line, we've gotta think it through. But I'm here. I'm gonna help you.   And so we started   getting what they call raffles. We started making raffles. I got stuff.   I paid for it myself with my overdraft,   which I didn't have money. But   I bought this stuff and donated it.  

And then what we would do, once a year when Lambo is on,   as the people come through, they would give us we would sell raffle tickets of R20 a pop, and somebody could win the prize. And so the first year, the prize was won. The next one, I gave the next one as well and the next. And so we get this thing going.   Every year, we started making more and more and more money,   and suddenly, this monument started being built. Now today,   in Nampo,   there is a monument,   and it is 30 meters   by 30 meters piece of land,   and it's 14 meters high.  

And on it, there is walls,   and there are nine walls which represents   the   each province in South Africa.   And then there's,   like, pipes, three pipes right up in the air. A long one, a middle one, and a short one. And that represents the father, the mother, and the child.   And then there is, like, a metal band that holds these three things together,   which is basically their love for each other, their faith. And then there is a statue of a man, the farmer,   standing with a bible in his hand   and the   the the other hand outstretched to heaven, like, god help us.   And   on those walls are recorded names,   dates,   places.  

These people were murdered brutally.   There can be no denying   of it. And for years, it's been quiet. Nobody nobody got any attention, although the names were just getting more and more and more and more.   And now   suddenly   suddenly,   a man called Donald Trump   has come up to question what's happening on the farms,   what's happening to minority groups.   And suddenly,   all hell has broken loose in a sense that these guys are embarrassed as the world could see   what happened in the Oval Office the other day.   It was total embarrassment that our president and his bunch of people that he had with him   were they had, like, smokes on their faces, but it wasn't smokes of they they want to be funny.  

More than it was absolute   embarrassment   because   they couldn't tell Donald Trump stop being racist.   How can you talk about these things?   Because now suddenly,   there's names, there's dates, there's places,   and they cannot deny it.   And suddenly, there's a lot of egg on a lot of faces.   And so for the first time in   just about thirty years,   we are absolutely   thrilled that the international   media   could see   the videos that were vivid   of these   guys singing these songs, kill the poor, kill the farmer, in which our government   has downplayed it.  

The courts   denied that it was any hateful speech, etcetera.   But did you see the reaction of the president,   Ramaphosa,   when president Trump said, what's happening there?   And he showed him a line of crosses of people   reminding people that these were victims   of these farm attacks,   that our president   could   turn around and say,   where's this place? He doesn't know about it.   Now two things. He's either   so out of touch with his own country   and its people and the suffering on the ground,   or   he's taking   the world as fools. And, unfortunately,   they can't.  



[01:26:06] Unknown:

Have you you know, over here, we have a newspaper, Ivan. I I use the word loosely called The Guardian. You've probably heard of it.   It's,   a bastion of,   comic book thinking masquerading as liberalism. It's a very very silly paper but it's very useful for that reason.   And, earlier today, I wanted to see how they were reporting this. Let me read you. Yeah. Let me read you a headline from there's several stories. Here's one.   Trump this is the headline. Trump   ambushes   South African president with video and false claims   of anti white racism.  

And then the subhead reads,   Cyril Ramaphosa responds to hectoring stunt   in Oval Office and egregious claim of white genocide by suggesting calm.   And then there's an analysis session, section, Trump's white genocide claims ignore reality in South Africa. Apparently, Ivan, they this ignoring reality.   Sinister Trump dims sinister, he is now, dims the lights for another White House ambush.   It's just marvelous the way that they you see, the the the white Liberals over here   are in complete denial of actuality.   It's not that they're always wrong. I mean they've got to be like a broken clock right about some things at certain times,   but this is the way it's being it's being presented like this. There's another one.  

Opinion from South Africa by,   someone or other.   Ramaphosa withstood Trump's bizarre ambush,   he says, but he let down South Africans. Why is it bizarre to point out the truth? I've been aware of this for years. I mean, you can't watch all these videos. By the way, the the monument that you were talking about, those people that are in Rumble,   I pasted it into the chat on Rumble. I'll go and do likewise actually over on YouTube because we've got an audience there as well.   And there's the video of the memorial that Ivan was just describing with all those names on it. The figure I also heard with regards to farmers and food   is that it's about I don't know whether this is still the numbers but they had they also took Retief Goosen,   the world class golfer now retired, went over, I think,   ostensibly to lend sort of support to Ramaphosa. But when he was asked,   he didn't. He just told the truth about his father being a farmer and, yeah, people are getting killed up and down the road all over the place. That's I mean, I've exaggerated a little bit, but he said it in very measured and calm language. But that's definitely what he was saying. The numbers I had was something like 70,000   farmers   feeding something like 20,000,000 people.  



[01:28:39] Unknown:

Is it something like that, or am I aware? No. It it it could be true, but it's actually even gone less now. There's no more 70,000   farmers because believe me when I tell you, when I say to you that we   every South African has lost family   to another country for immigration.   They they left the country because they can't if I if I talk about my own son who is a,   educated guy, he's got a degree, he's got a, an honors, etcetera,   but he cannot get   a employment contract   from the government or from a from a a a a corporate company in a sense of well, they've got to first give preference   to the previously   disadvantaged people.  

Mhmm. And so   they basically it's a nice way to   basically   keep you out of the economy,   penalizing   you as a and and and my son was born in 1992,   which,   since   Mandela was,   released was basically nineteen ninety, ninety two.   And,   so our children grew up   not understanding or knowing anything about apartheid,   but they will still be reminded of it for the for for for   for until the end of time, if you wanna call it that. And so the fact of the matter is people   don't want to hear about this. And the first thing they'll always say the first thing believe me when I tell you, it will be racist. They will always say it's people with sour grapes, etcetera.   They they they getting what they deserve.  

When Trump asked this president Ramaphosa,   why is he allowed to sing like that?   Why can he use that type of language? I mean,   any other country would have locked this man up. He would have been arrested.  

[01:30:39] Unknown:

Yep. Did you see that guy was so uneasy, boy? He was and no matter what. And I'm Do you think Ivan that we should come up with a should we come up with a countersong for over here?   I don't phrases. I don't even write the words down. I'm sure everybody understands what I'm may you know, maybe we should sing a countersong. So if it's good enough for the Africans in Africa, why is it not good enough for the English in England? Or why can't you come up with a countersunk? Of course, this is not gonna help, is it? Because someone's gonna pop a fuse. Can I ask you a question as well? This is this is sort of when you use the word we,   who are you referring to? When you talk about we,   the South Africans, because   I I might be slightly at odds with who are you referring to? Are you talking about everybody that lives in South Africa or are you talking about the Boers and the Afrikaners?  

What does we cover? Look.  

[01:31:34] Unknown:

Let me tell you something else. I mean, South Africa as a whole. I mean, I'm married to a Portuguese woman, so I'm not a purebred Afrikaner.   I'm a white South African born here.   I'm probably a fourth, fifth generation,   here,   and yet I am referred to as this is not my land.   It it does not belong to a white man. Do Do you understand? And the moment you say, but come on. You know, if you took kill the kill the boar, kill the farmer, and you turned it into kill a black,   I can tell you right now, they'll probably   you will be arrested five minutes later.  

Of course. I can understand that. Yeah. Absolute trouble for you because that's racist.   But you see, the thing is   we are being bullied into a corner   in a sense that it reminds   you that you did look at the bad things of apartheid.   Remember one thing, I am a South African that was born here. The law says you drive on the left side of the road.   If I decided I'm driving on the right side of the road, I would cause an accident.   My insurance won't pay me, and I could even end up in jail because the law of the land says this is where you're supposed to be.   And I did not do it, so, obviously, I'm wrong.  

The law of the land in our time now I'm 64 years old.   I grew up in an era where it was compulsory   for every white South African   to go well, male,   South African. And if there was woman who wanted to, they could join as volunteers.   But we had to go for two years national service.   The fact is, if you refuse to do that, they would obviously put you in jail.   You would obviously be ostracized,   etcetera, because you're a bad apple. You're not doing what a true   patriot would do. You're supposed to be following the rule of law.   Now the crazy part.  

After '94,   anybody who went through the military,   by law, we were forced to do it. There was no choice. We had to do it.   And so, like most of us, we did, and we were happy to do it because the law said so. And since a young age,   we were taught we we are going to protect our nation,   white and black, from the communists.   That's what it was. So we believed it.   The fact of the matter is   we are now being blamed for upholding   apartheid.   They say we could have stopped it. How do you stop this thing? How do you refuse to go it,   go against it?  

So the moral of the story is that we simply applied the law. We were   true patriots because a patriot is somebody who listens and applies to rule of law and does not question. They simply do what the government says they need to do.   The same thing happened now. When the '94 came about,   we are now the traitors   because we we are not the patriots. Now the true patriots   are the guys who fought   apartheid.   And so now we enemy number one,   and they will keep on hopping at it   forever.   But now they do it in a very subtle way as well as a blatant way. But if you think of it, go and check up   on Cyril Ramaphosa,   many years ago, explained the following.  

He says that the ANC   has a plan   of so many years, maybe twenty five years or whatever, in which they will be taking everything away from the whites.   And the guy said, how would you do that? And he said simply said,   it would be like boiling frogs.   Frogs are cold blooded.   You put them in a pot of water,   and you put the heat very, very slowly.   You increase the heat.   You don't do it too quick because, otherwise, the frogs will jump out of the pot.   But you do it in a very slow cooker type of way.   And at the end  

[01:35:54] Unknown:

He was listening to his Marxist,   his Marxist trainers quite closely, wasn't he? I mean, it's a similar tactic to what's been applied across all the nations of Europe right now as they are slowly communized.   Actually,   maybe maybe they've been rapidly communized and people are just waking up to it but it's a I mean it's a classic technique that is that you just creep up on people slowly. They can do it quite quickly it seems at the moment because people are so have been   so asleep. What do you think?   You see,   my understanding of the history of South Africa may be slightly mangled   and and it is awkward. I mean, I'm not convinced either way by what I'm about to say,   but as I understand it that area of Africa when it was first settled by,   people   looking for religious freedom from Holland and from England in due course and it was also a stopover point as I understand it of part of the spice trade. Okay. So when they when they they will we're all a bit pooped out from coming down the West Coast Of Africa. Let's stop over here and have a break. So makes sense. Okay? And there's nobody there.  

Now, it's whether you think there's somebody there or not. I guess I'm not arguing either way, I'm just sort of relaying it as I know it. Please correct me after I've just said this few little bits but   they stop over because they're all they need a break and there's no one there. And they see that this is a good land   and slowly but surely that rest over point builds up and they transform an area that was completely empty of people for a big distance all over the place and they turn it into a bread basket,   which   as you probably know about Europeans is a bad habit that we've got. Wherever we go, we keep making loads of food and things grow and stuff. It's kind of we're quite good at that kind of thing.  

And so   what occurs is that, as I understand   it, tribes further up in the middle of Africa or however far away it was, get to know about this and slope their way down, obviously, because there's food around and it's being organized and it keeps turning up all the time because the people that are making it know what to do and how to preserve it and keep it through the winter and blah blah blah blah blah. I also heard   there was a small tribe of pygmies   somewhere up the East Coast,   of Africa that the white man saved. They were being wiped out by the Maasai or one of these other tribes. They're still alive to this day.   So the reason I mentioned this is that the history we've received of South Africans, and we certainly got this in the mainstream media over here in the eighties and the nineties   particularly, is all South Africans are bad and evil and all this that and the other. And yet again, it's one of these stories that you have to go into to see   why it is the way that it is. Now the argument, I guess, is   no it's part of Africa and therefore the white man should not have been here in the first place. Okay. That's like that's possibly one argument. So if that's the case and you're gonna leave and I know South Africans don't want to leave. I mean, I've I I was in hospital about a year ago   and a couple of years back actually,   my gallbladder exploded overnight. Sounds like a song. We'll have to write some lyrics to that, Eric.  

It's in my my gallbladder exploded over and I and I was in the hospital and there was a South African nurse there And she was fantastic.   And I got talking to her. And I said, your accent? And she told me. And I said, I said, when were you last there? She said, twenty years ago. I'll never go back. She said, I can't go back. I said, why? She said, it's heartbreaking.   She said, my family have been out there for three, four hundred years.   She said, it's a beautiful country. She said, and our people I've got to say this because she said, our people made it beautiful and turned it into this highly productive agricultural space   with all this fantastic stuff. And I know from looking at pictures of South Africa in the sixties when what's his name was doing heart transplants and stuff like that. This   it was really I'd I'd go live there in a shot right now. If you say you wanna go back to South Africa in 1965,   go, yeah. Count me in. I'll I'll have a bit of that because it's it's got civilization written all over it. And she was heartbroken. I it was fantastic to talk to her about it. I knew exactly what she was talking about. She said, I can't talk to English people about this. I said, you can talk to me about it. I said, because I've I've studied it and looked at it. I said not as deeply as you've lived it, but I said I can see that the story that we receive here in the West is nothing like what has actually taken place.  

So and then I've seen these little clips where you've got these black guys currently last few years walking around saying can you send the white guys back?   And this white guy was doing the document said, why are you saying that? He said, because there aren't any jobs. He said, when they come back, it all gets organized again. Now this is   what I'm saying is toxic to a certain ear right now. It's toxic. I you can't talk like this, Paul. But I'm also gonna read something out that's super toxic. You might be familiar with this, but I want to just say it now whilst I'm just in this little point. Albert Schweitzer.   Yeah. He got a Nobel Prize, didn't he?  

And he wrote a thing called it, an African notebook. I'm gonna read you this, this is heavy stuff, people might be familiar with it but I'm gonna read it anyway because I think this is one of these unacknowledged aspects of all of this. He says, I have given my life to try to alleviate the sufferings of Africa.   There is something that all white men who have lived here like I must learn and know that these individuals are a subrace.   They have neither the intellectual, mental, or emotional abilities to equate or to   to share equally   with white men in any function of our civilization.  

I have given my life to try to bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status. We the superior, what a word, hey, how toxic is that? And they the inferior. This is Albert Schweitzer,   right, who I think got a Nobel Prize for peace or something.   Now, although this is toxic for me to bring it up,   it seems to me it's a subtext that can't be ignored. My sort of irrespective of whether it's South Africa or anywhere,   my pitch is this, that race absolutely exists.   Races are fundamentally different   in all sorts of it's not that we can't get on, but when it's living together   it seems to me that it's always an explosive   end and a bad one all that wherever you look throughout history for thousands of years it it never has ever worked because it can't work. And, of course, I think South Africa was used basically,   certainly by the city of London. I know it was the Brits get the handle for it, but I'm British and I wouldn't have approved of any of it. To basically, you know, rip all the gold and all the diamonds out and all crap that he did to the Boers. This all I think it's all wrapped up in it. And it may be to some degree why Britons are very awkward about all this kind of thing because they still don't fully know what took place there.  

And when you look at it and look at what you built and how wonderful it is,   you know, I would never get elected. I there's no I've got no right to even speak on it. I've never been there.   But looking at it, I just want to know what the   white European South Africans,   I'll call them that for now,   what their view is of their future because if they're gonna keep on getting killed   because   this   is the racial drive of the other people,   then they must   they're gonna have to leave, aren't they? I mean I don't necessarily want them to but as I said it's not my shout   and if these people that move in and then take over can't grow enough food, I mean it's like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Don't stay here and make all this food for us because you're bossing us around. So you leave, they go can you come back and make all this food for us? Isn't or or am I just simplifying it like an obnoxious white European  

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man? What's going on? You see the problem you've got is the following. We came,   the the the   the the Dutch hit South Africa   in 1652.   And so they were going to just have, like, a little,   place where people could come, passerbys, you know, the ships going to the East   from from Europe, etcetera,   that they could have a a stopover, get some fresh food, etcetera, etcetera.   But when they got there   or got here, there was a a tribe. It's called the Khoisan.   It's it's, like the we call or refer to the Khoisan.   They are still here. Khoisan, it's like the Aborigines   in Australia.  

The Khoisan was here.   Yeah. So in other words, this place, if the true owners of this place   must be given   full   right title and interest.   It must be the Khoisan. It must be the colored guys.   But, unfortunately,   it does not fall in line with what these people are all about.   And so if I can tell you that South Africa,   as we knew it to where it is today, it's an absolute   total, total shame.   The fact of the matter is people that were incompetent   to run a place   were suddenly in charge of the place. And so it was jobs for pals.   People that had the knowledge, experience, etcetera was taken out and replaced by buddies.  



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If you think of it this way Sounds like you're describing England right now,  

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Ivan. Well, believe me. It's it's going all over the place, it seems. It's contagious.   But the fact is the following.   We in South Africa, I can tell you right now, we live in suburbs with white, black, colored, Indians,   a total total mix of people.   We live in harmony with one another. We are friends. If there's any issues or trouble, we all stand together, and we look after each other. It's a fact.   The moment the politician comes,   they immediately   immediately start pulling the rift.   They love reminding us of the past. They love reminding us of the evils of apartheid.   And you'll see just before elections and this is the sad cruel reality,   is that just before the elections, these politicians, these are the ANC and the comrades, will   go to a little village. They will give out t shirts for free. They'll give them bags of food.  

In return, they will vote for them. And the numbers, just   the sheer numbers, keep them in power.   But more and more people are starting to say, but hold on. When the white man was ruling here, although there was a thing called apartheid, we all had jobs. We had food. We had security. We had lights. We had water. We had all these things.   Now that our people are running it, we've destroyed it. And remember, it's only   the select few   that is making all the money. This little rhomboisors   are Yeah. Super wealthy. Super.   And what they did was they told the world, come bring your money so that we can uplift the root the grassroots.  

The grassroots was their own little nickname for themselves   because they kept the money,   and they cleaned up this place. And now they they they're trying to make a law since there was few,   I think it was four South African guys who went to America to go and say, listen. Come and see what's happening here. This is wrong with what's happening on our farms, etcetera, etcetera.   Since that day, they're now trying to bring in a law that anybody, even like me speaking right now,   they could say that it's   treacherous, and   I could be,   what accused of treason   for speaking up against our government.  

So you cannot   say when they hit you with a with a with a with a hammer on your finger, hey. Sorry, man. I'm I'm I'm in pain. You've gotta just take it because   you deserve it. And the crazy part is there's a narrative out there   that the whites are the evil,   and the blacks were manhandled,   etcetera.   The crazy part, if you come to South Africa and you come and walk our streets   amongst the people here,   I can tell you, you can ask any color, any creed, any religion.   We all want the same. We want a safe environment   to raise our children.  

We want proper medical people looking after our people.   You want a proper education   system.   In South Africa,   the pass rate is 30%.   Right. So you can pass.   On 30%, you can go out. And now   why is it that they do they've done it? Simply because you keep them stupid,   and then we can stay in power.   So you've got these guys who who are elected, and they've been in power forever. And you'll see in Africa, they love being president for life. And boy oh boy, it's their sons and daughters and everybody else and their cousins,   they will benefit. If you're part and parcel   of the the the comrade,   you you you're you're made.  

And and if you're not, you're out, you're not in the inner circle.   You must go and check up on a on on a a   black woman,   and she's very outspoken,   and she calls herself the concerned   citizen.   And believe me, she calls them out for who they are. And she says, you guys are thugs.   You are not doing what you promised to do, and you're blaming the whites for all the ills of what you've been up to.   And What do you Ivan, what do you think what do you think  

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would   is a workable future?   Because I think whatever   when you look at what's happening in South Africa,   it's almost like,   it's like a preview of what's happening in Europe. And people have talked about this for years and I've mentioned it and be, oh, no. It's not like that. But it it is because it's to do with,   in part is it you know, the question I'm just asking it openly.   Is it possible? Is it even desirable? I, you know, I'm asking this candidly because everybody knows what my answer is. But   for different races to live in the same space and for it to work, you see, I'm of the view that it's never worked. There's no such thing   as multiculturalism.  

It doesn't exist. It's a complete nonsense.   It's actually a disruption to to   two or more groups of people who are having to accommodate themselves continually   to the internal operating system of the other people   and no one is happy. No one ever gets happy.   Is there a possibility do you think in South Africa that whites would be given a section of their own homeland   to say this is you can call it whatever you like right? I don't care what what it would be called. This is where we live and this is how you we relate to you and if you want us to help you with farming,   you know, look I'm I'm acting like a child when I say that. If you want us to help us with farming, we'll train your farmers, right? We won't do your farming for you because you don't want us to boss you around. We don't want to do that either. This is bad and you all get cross about it. We don't wanna get anybody get cross. But if you wanna learn how to farm and you think we know how to do it, we'd be happy to help. It I I mean, my naive suggestion, is there any possibility of that or is this always permanently about power grabbing and dominating and extracting value from whether wherever you see it? What what do you think in terms of the future   could be for some of the future? Well, I'll tell you what.  



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You know, to to to to give it a very candid,   answer,   I can tell you right now, if you had to come over to my house right now.   Yeah, you can come and stay here and I can assure you, you will meet black, colored, Indian,   white,   every type of denomination,   and we all live together in harmony. I can tell you, if you go to the schools,   the p our children   have been raised amongst multicultural   things.   The problem that you have, though,   is that you have got a few people who's running the place,   and it's in their interest to keep us divided   and fighting with one another. Because if we're fighting each other,   we cannot keep our concentration   on what they're up to, which is emptying state coffers   and stealing like you can't believe.  

The fact is, I'm telling you without a shadow of a doubt, we do and can live in harmony together. However  

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But I'm gonna say Ivan. Ivan, I I I know what you mean on a human level. Right? Yep. You know, I accommodate everybody I meet. People might think that I don't, but I do. I've never had a disruption with anybody. But I think what you've described,   this is absolutely the unavoidable reason why it can't work.   You you're always gonna get that. You're always gonna get   it's so much easier to manipulate   different groups by those that wanna do the manipulation game. We've got it going on over here all the time. Yeah. What's happened is that the English are demoralized. They don't know it. They might not even use that word, but in the they're demoralized because their home   is being taken from them   by a government that's actively doing that to them. And so we have become a dysfunctional,   nation.  

The the the sorts of brains and men of competence that this nation used to produce in the eighteen hundreds will, under current circumstances,   never be produced ever again.   They're not going to turn up in the world. There isn't gonna be that sort of massive engineering contribution or this inventiveness or the eccentricity of the English. It won't exist because the the feeding ground for it is not there.   I'm just simply saying that as I see it   God created races and put them in a particular place for a bloody good reason. Whether I understand what that reason is or not it doesn't matter, but the evidence seems to be all around us. By their fruits, there's nothing but disruption. It's not about whether you or I can't get on with   some Chinaman or an African   we can do that all the time but that's not the I don't think that's the point.  

The point is that long term it never works because it can't because it's running counter to something   really fundamental   relating well, training, coaching, having temporary you know, you want to trade with people sure that's fine but it's this living lark, It's this per it's such a sensitive and deep thing in my view with everybody. It's a very valuable gift that we've been given and you find that your life is being chewed up by you having to pay attention to someone else with a different internal operating system and that works both ways.   All these different races get harmed by this, whereas we've been sold over here. Oh, no. Let everybody in. You're all gonna love one another. It's never ever happened in the whole of recorded history. It can't happen. You know? That's all I'm saying.  



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If we see what we've seen,   what's happening in European countries,   it's tragic because if you see how these guys have taken over   specifically,   like the the Muslims and stuff,   There's one country in the whole of Europe   who does not allow anybody in there just for the sake of coming, and that's Poland. Poland said you can't come in here. Sorry.   I do not want you here, and you stay out. And they said the the the crime rate is low,   employment is high,   economy is run well,   government is well functioning, etcetera.   The thing is, it seems like the British   have been,   forced into feeling   this whole thing that whatever you've done in the past,   you've gotta be whipped for it because, I mean, you were the colonizers.  

Right?   And Yeah. Remember the the the Germans after the second World War,   all the Germans were now in in a in a state of   undamped if I do and I'm damned if I don't. Just the sake of or or just the that they were German, they were obviously guilty. And so now you're going to that recluse   system where you can't speak up because you'll be reminded of what you've done.   You can't do anything because   you're a little cruel on that. You are you can't be proud of who you are, etcetera. And I look at South Africa, the same thing. All this stuff has been we are always constantly reminded of apartheid.   And I can tell you right now, if people are honest,   we don't want to leave the country. However,   for our children   and our children's children,   I cannot give you a guarantee   that our children's children will be able to benefit   anything that I've left behind   because it might be taken away.  



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And so maybe Well, I think so. We've got the it's exactly the same here. There's something it's like the really big question, no one wants to talk about it. It's too embarrassing. But the big question is is that the races aren't designed to get on. They don't need to either. The the place is so big.   Right?   And the fact is that every you know, it's absolutely true about the history of British imperialism,   you know.   I I sort of try and dodge that bullet. It's not completely dodgeable by really making out that this was an empire of the city of London, which was a rapacious commercial enterprise, which it was.   And the history of this nation, you know, with boats from fifteen hundred and odd with Elizabeth the first is pretty much that. You know, pirates like Francis Drake were celebrated.  

Yeah. Go out there. Rob everything you see, and we'll just we'll cover for it. This stuff, however, if it had not been the British it would have been someone else. The Dutch were doing the same thing when they had a lot of boats and stuff like that. So you can point the finger historically at everybody. What about the Romans? They all owe us, you know, they took over England. I want some money from Italy.  

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It it doesn't end, does it? It never ever ends. This sort of griping about things. It it just You get to the point of understanding. Listen. I've messed up. I'll fix it up. That's one thing. But now if you think of it, we've got situation in our country where education, 30% is your pass rate, and then you get people who really excel, and their children do exceptionally well. But the fact is the guys who's doing the 30%   will one day be in places where the 70 or the the people who are doing 70 and beyond,   won't be able to get to because of the color of their skin. But I can tell you there's a place in South Africa called Orangia,   Orange.  

Orangia. Right? And   it is a place where the majority or, well, all of them are white Afrikaans  

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speaking. I'm familiar with it.  

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Now those people have taken a piece of land.   It's basically a farm,   and they've developed it into stuff where they are   exporting   worldwide.   The EFF, Julius Malema,   and the   party of Zuma,   they are totally against it because how on earth are these oaks allowed to live like this? They do not want that. They want to go in there not to  

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to to live there, but to just to break it down, to destroy it. Of course. I don't think that's completely understandable. Have built. Don't you think it's understandable from their point of view, Ivan, that they want to destroy it? This is always the case. It's always the case. Leaders   have to destroy   the country next door to them if it's doing really well because it makes them look bad in regard to their own people. They're going, oh, our own people are demanding more stuff from us and we can't rip them off anymore. So what we'll do is, I know, we'll go and kill them all. Let's have a war. I mean, it's really basic sort of primitive stuff. I'm not saying Europeans don't have this as well. It's the basis of all these things. That's why I keep saying that I I'm aware of, the place that you mentioned and it looks amazing what they've done. But what Exactly. You know, I'm just thinking without some fundamental larger defense,   all that's gonna the more they are successful,   is this not the case, the greater at risk they're gonna be from the   it's like it's wrong to put people with different competencies and abilities side by side. It drives everybody crazy.  

You know, it's like you're saying there about the education stuff. Oh, well, we'll lower the standards. I mean, this is just mindless.   Yeah. Now you've passed a thing and you've got a sheet of paper. Yeah. But you still can't do it.  

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Yeah. Well, Paul, WBN, I think, is going off pretty soon here   just to wrap things up a bit.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Anyway We are just at the end of the second hour. Just about well, Eli's not showing up, but, yeah, we could wrap I mean, I Patrick, you barely got a word in. You got those words. No. I'm I'm I'm just listening intently because this is amazing. I like it. Yeah. No. It's great. Ivan, it's been great having you here. Would you like to come back again at some point in the future in a few weeks' time maybe if we could set things up? We've got we'd you know, the crazy parts of it all is that, like I said to you, we we don't want to go. But, you know, you're forced to have to try and make some form of,  

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alternate   arrangement because I can tell you right now. If with the offer of what president Trump has done, I can tell you there's gonna be quite a few people that'll take that opportunity.   And although our government wants to downplay it, so much so that they had the   and the Ernie Els and Johan Rupert,   and even a white minister of,   agriculture   who was the leader of the opposition,   who is now part and parcel of the   government of national unity   despite of all those guys being there.   When when when they spoke,   I can tell you,   like, when   president Trump said,   your family, are they safe?  

He couldn't lie. He said,   well, at night when the lights go off, they make sure that they're behind   electric fences, etcetera, etcetera.   And in the area, their families have been   murdered or friends have been murdered. His mother has been attacked in the farm, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And and all I can tell you, it's a sad day to think that people will have to leave this place   because   they are   really being pushed out.   And the end result is simply gonna be   everybody   who's left behind will have no place. They will have no food. They will have no future. They will have no job, and then they'll be wanting all these guys that left.   Please come back. Please come back and take it again. And I'm I unfortunately, I don't think people go back for that type of thing.  



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No. I mean, I've seen that many South South Africans now are trying to get into America. But   That's the thing. I I just think the cultural things, I don't know why everybody gets so cross about this. The fact is that we've got four or five different broadly speaking roost rate rate root races on the planet   and they're best left, the vast majority of us, are best left to live with our own. It just drives everybody crazy. It's mad and it's the globalism thing. It's just communism.   We'll shun everybody together. We'll get them fighting one another. It raises and reduces the overall  

[02:03:18] Unknown:

intelligence of everybody. Everybody's dragged down. Nobody gets dragged up. That never happens. It cheapens labor. It cheapens the labor the labor force divided and makes it easier to pay them less than they would if they were coalescing and getting along.   Yeah. Because then, if they were getting along, they'd they'd do things like unionize and that kind of thing, like real, real, not, not this fake commie stuff, but stuff where you would get together and you would demand a living wage compared to the way it is,   where you're divided and and and they're expected to work  

[02:03:50] Unknown:

and pay less. Crazy thing that the they they've got this thing that they demand a living   wage, so it's it's a right, but   the owner of the business   cannot demand   his pound of flesh   for   their demand of a living wage,   And that's the crazy part.  

[02:04:13] Unknown:

And Ivan, you're you're welcome to stay. We're into we're kinda creeping into the same if you want to stay, you can. But we've got another guest coming on. Eli James is about to join us. He's just arrived in the studio. I'm gonna play a little bit of music.  

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I don't know I'm gonna I'm gonna head out, Paul. And I Okay. That's fine. I've I'm glad you could come on, Ivan. Yeah.  

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It's fantastic that you've been on, Ivan. I'll be in touch and maybe we'll have you back,   in a few weeks time. Yeah? We talk a little bit about your relationship with Peter Hammond and all those things. It's been brilliant having you on   and,   it's such a challenging topic. I find it difficult   to know how to deal with it because we have to go into the real hard edge stuff, Randy, and it's we're not allowed, you know, over all this kind of stuff. But brilliant, Ivan. I'm so glad we connected up today, and I'll be in touch through Patrick, and we'll we'll have you on in a few weeks' time, something like that. Yeah? Lovely. Thank you for having me. And to all the listeners out there, don't worry. You know? The the whole thing is  

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we've got to not give up. You've gotta keep on going. And although this this guy from the World Economic,   forum,   what's it? Schwab or something, said that one day, you will have nothing,   but you will be happy.   I don't think that's a fair thing to to to to say.  

[02:05:27] Unknown:

While some will have everything and nobody and and the rest will have nothing. I know. They'll be happy. I know. We gotta get rid of these guys. We'll we we we'll send him down to South Africa a new look and sort him out. Ivan will send you I'm gonna I'm gonna play a little bit of music. After this, Eli James will be joining us in a few minutes' time. Okay? Thanks, Ivan. We'll see you all next week. Oh, well, all the next week's time. Bye. Bye. Yep.  

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See you. See you, Ivan. See you, Eric. See you, Paul. Bye bye. See you, Patrick. Bye bye.  

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Back after this music.  

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Hi. Eli. You're the CEO. Yep.  

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And he said, well, about 2.5%   went to heaven. The rest all went to hell. Well, okay.  

[02:09:29] Unknown:

Hi, everyone. Welcome back. We're back on air now. Just thought I'd,   say hi. Good. Hi, Ian. Welcome to the show. Sorry about the slight bumpage there. I've got new little systems in place. They are working. I was just pressing a few of the wrong buttons at times like that, but this all turned out pretty good. So it was great, haven't you, last week? Well Good to have you back again this week. And with clouds on, which are really really good. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I  

[02:09:52] Unknown:

Yes. I think my computer must have been embarrassed with that. That's the reason it wouldn't let me back. You know, it's it's  

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what what are you what are you using?  

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Have you got one of those Commodore   sixty fours?  

[02:10:04] Unknown:

What's funny you should say that?   I know. It's a it's a it's a Dell, actually.   I kinda like that. I found out that Paul is a bit of a Dell enthusiast as well, aren't you, Paul?   I'm a bit of a Dell boy. Is that what you're saying? I'm a Dell boy. Yeah. You're a bit of a Dell boy. A lot of us are Dell. You know?  

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Yeah. You spell that d u l l,  

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boy? Yeah. There is that. I'm a bit I'm a bit of a dull boy but,   Eli, it's great to have you back. I don't know if you cut we just had Ivan on who was great, talking about South Africa. What? I never spoke to him before but,   we'll probably have him on again in a few weeks time. That was great. What's his last name? Because,  

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I may be familiar with his writing.   Basson. Oh, no. No. It's a it's a different Ivan then. Okay.  

[02:10:50] Unknown:

Mhmm. French. It sounds, isn't it? This this doesn't it sounds French.   Basson?  

[02:10:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. French, Portuguese,   black, white, yellow, everything in South Africa.   They're they're the most race mixed country on the, on the face of the Earth.  

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You remember, Eli, when we first met, when I first met you faced with it back in I think it was 02/2015,   was it? I think it was. No. 02/2014.  

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I was on my way to South Africa. Yeah. That's right.  

[02:11:18] Unknown:

And,   maybe you wanna tell people a little bit about why you were heading out to South Africa in 02/2014   and what you were up to. Yeah. It was quite an interesting trip, wasn't it?  

[02:11:27] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Very very much so. I was invited by, pastor Martins who was, my show host. We did a Sunday,   morning show,   you know, once a week.   And,   so I decided, well, I'm gonna go visit him and see what South Africa is all about.   And, you know, so we I stopped over in London,   and, you picked me up at the airport and showed me around town and, you know, the both my chauffeur and all that stuff. But my trip was off pretty good at it, wasn't I? It was quite good, really. Yeah. You were. Yeah. You you And my hat was pretty good. I had a good hat too. Yeah. And and you were driving on the left side of the road. Well, we do that sort of thing over here. You're it's bad habit. I know. But we do it.   Yeah. I woulda had trouble with that. And you drink tea instead of coffee   and all that kind of stuff. Right? But you're but you're still white, so,   I'm glad to have met you.  

And   and so we've we've hit it off very good even though we were 2,000 miles across the pond. But, yeah, South Africa,   I'd spent two weeks there,   and I'd, I don't know what   because I was listening to Ivan.   My feeling was that if you go in the countryside   in South Africa,   that's probably true of most black countries,   you were in fear for your life. You could be assaulted. You drive through town.   In fact, we went through one small town   where the street or it's one street going through the town.   And it was all cluttered with stones,   and it's not uncommon for the, local inhabitants just rise up and throw stones   at cars passing through, especially if there's white people   in there. Right. There was a there was a a pall   hanging over the country of South Africa.  

The the the fear was palpable   and, white people may I think they pretend that it's not happening,   but it's happening.   Okay? And you were describing it perfectly.   It was   the, white white people are fair game in South Africa, period. That's all there is to it.   Okay? Yeah. And, it's not gonna get any better.   Okay?  

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No. It's not. Yeah. I mean, I just We have to Yeah. Yes. There are these fundamentally awkward questions that lie right at the heart of it all. They're awkward because   no one in the media   dare even address these questions. You can't even have a conversation that might even go near them and I just think it's not a matter of   superior or inferior. What's superior   is everybody living in their own patch? What's inferior for everybody is mixing people together on the same bit of real estate. I mean, I'm waiting for someone to show me. No. Look Paul. It worked here here and here and here and if it wasn't if it wasn't for them all splitting up, it'd have been amazing. I just think you end up with this   it it causes mushy thinking. People can't see they don't want to see the mess, so they pretend it's not there, but it just doesn't work. It doesn't produce Yeah. What what each race really wants to do.  



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You know? Well, the only reason why Western civilization has gone as far as it has is because we were able to do it together as white people.   Because we we're the only ones who have the level of culture   and primarily and it's Christianity too. True Christianity   was just brotherly love, which doesn't mean you're, you know,   you're   touching touchy feeling brotherly love. Right? Yeah. We're talking about Christian   agape brotherly love, charity. It's also   translated as charity.   That you have to have a sense of community   and obedience to the   law as I think Ivan mentioned it once.  

Unless you have that, you can't have a a complicated   society. And that's why the rest of the world does not have,   the level of sophistication and technology that the white races had, especially driven by Christianity. And that's all there is to it. No other race and if the white man leaves,   then the, Africa falls apart. As you can see, it has fallen apart.  

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I know. It's just, you know, this what's that, you've got that,   how should I refer African American pastor over there called Pastor Manning. I guess you're familiar with that. He's oh, yeah. He's great. I love him. Yeah. So I I have you heard of Pastor Manning,   Eric? You ever heard of him? Never heard of him. No. Never heard of him. Would you like to hear a little bit from him right now? Yeah. Let's hear a little bit of him. Yeah. Yeah. This might get a channel bent. But I let's set some context here. He where is he? Is he in Brooklyn or in,  

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Queens or some ways? In New York. Yeah. New York City. He's in New York. New York City. Yeah. And he's talking about the long legged Mac Daddy.   Right? He  

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he's amazing because what he's doing is he's he's kind of it's not so much that he's berating his own people, but he's pointing out that there's something fundamentally now this is a bit shouty. This is a bit, and I won't play the whole thing because it's about four minutes, but it's to give you the idea   this guy is a natural leader of his people.   Right? And Yes. And he won't be he will never ever be able to get into that position whilst everybody's pretending   that this ridiculous arrangement works. It's a pretense going on. Oh no, it's all okay. It's not okay. It contravenes fundamental laws. Just have a listen to to a little bit of this anyway. This should come through.  

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Hit play.   Remember, you gotta hit play.   Are you there, Paul?  

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Well, I'm here. I can't hear a thing. All I can hear is hello. Well, you know, I think it's just us too. I think Paul's gone somewhere, isn't he? I don't know. So, Yeah. Seems like it. Let's see. Is it something we   said?  

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Yeah. So there you go. I won't play the record. Look. I'm not people think I might be looking to the offensive or cocky. I'm not. This guy is preaching to Hold on. I'm preaching. We didn't hear a thing. No. I didn't hear a thing. I mean, does does he do it through, which is why? Okay. You didn't hear it. I'm sorry. Oh, gosh. I see why. The audience heard it. I'm assuming let me just check.   I'm pretty sure you all hear it okay? Someone just write to me and rumble that you heard that okay. I know what listen. I'll do that again. We'll do it twice.   Yeah. But make sure Sorry, Verkin. I can hear it this time. Perhaps he's a psychic preacher. I thought you know, so we all sit there. He does it all psychic He was, yes. Right. That's it. Yeah. I'm a What a marvel speaker he was. Alright. Here we go. We'll just we'll just have this first minute again. Okay? It's just to give you a flavor of he he's he's preaching to a congregation of fellow black people. Of black people. Yeah. Yeah. And it this is what makes him such a powerful I I think this guy's   he's telling the truth.  

No. Don't hear a thing. Okay, Paul. Something's amiss. It's not You still can't hear it. Okay? No. Hang on. No.   Can you hear it now? Can you hear it now? No. No. No. No. No. No. No.  

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You wanna play it off the Internet?  

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No. It's not.  

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It's weird that you're hearing it. Sorry about that. You can probably It sounds like an obscene phone call because all we can hear is heavy breathing. You know?   So it does does he is that part of his  

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Absolutely bizarre. Well, I've got the sound coming through, and it should be going through to you. But for some reason, it's not, so I don't know why. My apologies for that. I'll have to  

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a tremendous   yeah. David Manning was a tremendous critic of   of, our our black president, Barack Obama, and he used to call him the long legged Mac Daddy because he he's not he said, he's not even black.   He's half white. What are you doing following a guy who's who's half white and half black? Yeah.  

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Yeah. He was it's it's wonderful. It's wonderful to hear the truth coming from a black man. What what he's saying, Eric, and I'll send you the clip. I don't know why. Yeah. It's bizarre. All my indicators say you should be getting it. It. Yeah. I've got every indicator here, so I'm gonna have to go and check something else. So that's a bit that's a bit worrying, but never mind. I don't use that channel that often. But what he's basically saying is, he said that there's something fundamentally wrong with us black people because we haven't done anything.   But he's saying it in such a good way. He's saying it in a in a right he said, we've got to get ourselves sorted out. In other words, you've got to recognize that we've got some kind of a a problem here.  

He's tremendous. He's tremendous. I mean, if I was   I would be going to his church if I was I would go well, I think I would. I don't know. It's it's a ridiculous thing for me to say. But he's telling the truth, and he's telling it because it's painful because in nearly all cases,   truth is painful. It's it's so very painful when you have your weaknesses pointed out to you and you go, no. It's like this. You go, no. Look at what's in front of you. What's actually happening? And we live in this dressed up world courtesy of the media, don't we? It's it's it's absolutely bizarre. Yeah. What Thomas Sowell does the same thing. There's all kinds of black activists that are turning not not to say turn against their own people, but, you know, just exposing the fact that blacks aren't doing what they're supposed to do to maintain a civilization.   And, there's two brothers who are just hilarious or they do videos of black people doing stupid things. Right? It's just Yeah. And they crack Well, we've got plenty we've got plenty of white people doing stupid things as well. I think Yeah. We've got an unbelievable number of them. Right? So don't think this is just all one way traffic. But for any group, if they're not left almost to their own devices under their own steam, it goes wonky.  

It it just it just doesn't work for anyone.  

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No one it just never worked. Well, it's just just look what happens in the black ghetto.   You know, white people are taking their lives and their hands to go into a black ghetto, and it's a little less   awful in a span in a Mexican ghetto.   You know, it's but white white people are not welcome in those communities.   Nevertheless, we built those communities, and they've taken over, and our politicians are the ones responsible   for it. Okay? Did you hear that? To tell you, you're in Britain. Yeah. Yes.  

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Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. I I agree with you. Okay. I I I think the the big problem, I'll call it mafia government.   In fact, they are   the greatest crime syndicate you could ever wish to think of. They they they make the mafia look like the Boy Scouts. That's that's That's right.   Corrupt it is.   Yeah. Yeah. The way I mean, all you have to do is creep up to a politician and say one word,   usury.   Woah. They run up.  

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Yeah. Heart attack. They have a heart attack.  

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Yes. And they're absolutely terrified   that that the masses will find out about it. They owe their   survival   on complete and utter ignorance of usury.   And as,   Henry Ford said,   if people knew the truth about the banking industry, there'd be a revolution before tomorrow morning. He's spot on. Yep.  

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They don't know. Yeah. And because they   they control the mass media   and education and newspapers and everything else,   we never find out about it.  

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Correct. I think I think I can get you to hear this now.   Okay? Okay. Oh, okay. You want you wanna give it a go? What? Fine. Look at that big old Did you hear that? Oh, there it is. Okay. I'll bet. I can hear you Dave. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep.   Oh, boy.   Oh, what a day. Here we go. We're just up a minute. Sorry for everybody's heard it twice already,   but this is just very  

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here we go. It's so good. Ask God for that reason. If only God can help black people where they are, Black people had Africa, that big old continent over there, they never built one boat that was seaworthy. They're not one.   There's not one monument in Africa and all of Africa.   I know you're talking about Egypt. Egypt is not Africa.   There are no great cities that were built.   Even before the first colonization of white people coming to the shores of Africa or the slave ships, black men built nothing.   No sewer system.   No houses above one level. And a hundred of them made out of stone. All of them made out of grass and wood.  

Black men. Before the white man ever got to Africa.   The worst thing that could ever happen to South Africa was when they gave it to Nelson Mandela and black folk. That was a great nation. Now I was saying that apartheid was wrong. We all know it's wrong. I'm against it. There should have been some other resolution, though, than turning it over to Nelson Mandela. Disease.  

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Wow. So that gives you that gives you flavor. I've heard him. Yeah. I've heard him before, and he's a highly intelligent man. My word. There's things he comes out with.  

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He's telling the truth. How about Something that's absent in Western Pollock. We've got half these slimy white guys just lying through their backsides to us or anybody that tells the truth. It requires an awful lot of courage and the fact that he's got a congregation that want to listen to. There's a tremendous sort of future for for them if they do. I sound like a patronizing git. I don't know what is in the future for them. Yeah. We've got our own problems here. But I know that when you mix it up, it just no one can sort out anybody's problems. There is no resolution available because it's not designed to be that way, You know? Yeah. He's amazing. I I've always been impressed with him. Absolutely. A very impressive very impressive man. Yes. And I mean, when you look at things like music now I was in my car today,  

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and, I stopped at the traffic lights.   And this this young   chap in a one of these, you know, sort of look at me, I got off play flash cars of attitude,   boy racers.   And all I could do was.   It sounded like something out of the jungles. It's just this   boring   beat. It just went   simplistic.   I walked into a shop.   What did they have? This awful   it sounded like somebody being ill.   It's sort of music.   What's happened?   What's happened to our culture? In  

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a way, Eric, you see Where's Mozart? Not even it's not even about that music, even though I agree with you. But you and me agreeing as white blokes is irrelevant.   If they wanna listen to it, I don't have a problem with any of that. The problem is they're doing it   in your home.  

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Right? Yes. It it is. It's not only that. All it is. Yeah. In the you go into a shop,   and I'm forced to hear it. And I hate it. I absolutely   loathe it because quite honestly,   that's,   decibel,   dictatorship.  

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You know? I like this, so you've gotta hear it. No. Do you have a number there, Eli? Do you have a lot of pipes music in your shops driving you crazy?  

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Yeah. But it's doesn't tend to be that awful, though. It's usually elevator music.  

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But there are some sort of music. Bum, yang, yang, yang. Yeah.  

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Yeah. That's what's Yeah. So that that's a classic one station.  

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Right? So I I I spoke to somebody in my local supermarket. I said, can you turn this stuff off? He said, head office. What letters?   I said, it's really irritating. He said, well, they've they found that the stores that play music, they do more sales. I said, maybe people are buying things quickly to get out of there so they don't have to listen to this garbage. Yeah. Right. I said, quick. Serve me fast. I need to get out. You know? Yeah. Yeah.  

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Not that kind of but let me finish,   because my experience in South Africa   Yes. Was yeah. We I I traveled around the country. We had to have, obviously,   advanced notice for our hotels and motels.   And every place we stopped at had a high wall and gates.   You had to have protection from rampaging blacks.   So you had to have a a cope if they weren't there.   But usually, if you get arrived in the daytime, they will let you in open the   gate. Homes. If you live if you're a white person living in a home, you have to have a high wall and an iron gate. Otherwise, you you will be attacked.   You can't walk out on the street. You will be attacked. The shopping malls. The shopping malls are all enclosed by walls and gates,   and they have the the blacks working inside the parking lots. You have to pay them a little, you know, a little stipend   to watch your car while you're in their shop. Otherwise, some other black will will spray paint on your this is the the level of civilization.  

It's called South Africa.  

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Unbelievable.   It's incredible. Yep.  

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Did you go to Blood River? Did you go to Blood River, Eli, when you were over there? Yes. I did. Yes. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Now There is the white traders. The white traders have taken over Blood River. They're the   ones who say that they're trying to   how should I put?   Pretend   that they're the bores. These white liberals are not bores. It's a white conservatives   who are of German   slash Dutch ancestry who are the real bores.   And these white liberals have taken over the site   and are cooperating with the black government.  

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Right.  

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Okay.  

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And have have they disarmed everybody?   Have they have have the government taken the arms away have the government taken the arms away?  

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Certainly in the cities, but   in the countryside, they really can't control that.   You know, it's like America. You know? America well, America is the most hard place on the face, you know, except for Switzerland.   You know? But, you know, everybody around here has guns, and those those whites who don't have guns in South Africa   are dead meat. You have to be able to defend yourself.   K? But I I understand that Britain is at two.   Right? And we're next.  

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Well, we were disarmed at least yeah. We were disarmed in 1921.  

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Sorry. Sorry.   No. No. No. It's alright, Eric. You're right to to throw that in there. I just, you know, obviously, my question, I suppose, with Americans is will they use them? It's not that I'm wanting it to happen. I mean, the fact is that Oh, man. But, you know, if the if those forces that are wrecking all our nations want to bring that about, they have the means to do it because they've got psychological control over such a huge   percentage of our people who don't realize they've got this kind of psychological control system running on them. Oh, the government will sort it out. What what? You mean like they've been doing for the last couple of years sorting it out?   They've been signing out for you, have they? They've really been making it good, haven't they? Yeah. Yeah.  



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Yeah. The body bags are all ready.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. Okay. It's,   yes. Well So this, this   this Ramaphosa   thing over there, you've have you seen this Uh-huh. Eli with with president Trump?  

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Well, I've heard that, you know, he's allowing white South Africans to immigrate to America   and,   which has never happened before.   You haven't really have full strength to get for a white South African   to come to America.   But, the news coverage is really ridiculous.   And, they're saying,   why are white people fleeing South Africa?   Right? They're living in the thirties. They actually think that white people still rule South Africa.   That's the level of intelligence of our mass media.   Right? And, yeah, that's right. And also, Putin offered, white South Africans, didn't he? Right. He's been doing that for a long time. Yep. Yes. Yes. Yes. But Australia   has been taking them, so I know several  

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South Africans that have moved to Australia. Yeah. I'm quite surprised because Australia is really was as common as Yeah. It's very liberal. Great Britain.  

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Yeah. Yeah. It's very liberal. Yeah. And, but I guess, if you I think I have some kind of law where if you have a relative and who if a relative sponsors you, you can come over. Every country is different   in their immigration policies.   But, yeah, I know several South Africans who have moved to Australia.   So and, but, it's very has always been a problem here in America.   You have to have, some kind of special visa, whatever,   and then you have to apply for citizenship, etcetera.   But, it's easy   it's easy for non whites   to enter America without a passport, without a visa.  

I joke to my friends, you know, if I wanted to if I were a non white entering America, I just   buy a sombrero   and pretend pretend pretend to be a Mexican. Yeah. Come on right in. Come on in.   Yeah. Free everything.  

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It's I mean, it's a mess everywhere. Are you familiar with Martin Armstrong,   Eli?   You know of him? I've heard of him. Guy. Familiar.   Oh, yeah. It's worth pointing in your book, armstrongeconomics.com.   There's a couple of things here that Yes. Should sort of dovetail into what we're talking about. One is   over half of Brits would not fight for their country. Well, that's basically because it isn't theirs right now currently. It's been appropriate to have some other Yeah. Sort of psychological disease. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. There's that. But there's this one as well, which is quite recent,   was sent to me by a good, mutual friend of ours today.  

British to seek political asylum in USA. This is from May 22. Oh, it's today.   Someone asked them a question. They say,   Martin, I want to express my gratitude   for hosting your conference in London last year in May.   You said then that this might be the last time you see London. I remember when you lived in Cornwall Gardens. Do you think you will ever have a European conference again? And I won't read the whole of the reply out, but let's just give you a couple of paragraphs. He says, I will only return to London if Nigel Farage becomes PM. That might not be too wise, Martin, but then   we will see. I am I mean, if it is, it's three and a half years away, four years away. Yeah. I am doing this report on how countries separate and collapse. It is very much a sign of the times. Britain under Starmer has gone simply mad. This is true.  

He intends to he's gone mad and he's he's destroying everything. He intends to take you to war with Russia.   He and Macron think that they can defeat Russia, get the $75,000,000,000,000   in natural assets, and then the glory of the British Empire, oh, boy, will rise again. While Macron I mean, it's deranged, obviously. While Macron views that France will lead Europe, which is why my sources in France call him the Petit Napoleon.   I do not think I could dare set foot in Britain.   Starmer would imprison me for something I said at that conference or ten years before. Maybe you should apply for political asylum in The USA as suggested here by the former police officer. It would be interesting to see Trump's response. English. Yeah. Sure. Maybe we should do what the South African farmers did. Maybe we could all move out to I fancy Wyoming,   Eli, because it's massive and there's only 5,000,000 people live there. No. 500,000.  

Oh, yeah. There's 500,000   people in Wyoming. It's about 10 times the bit size of England.   Fancy becoming a cowboy. Though.  

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Yeah. It's a bit nice ride the range. Yeah. It'd be alright, wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Trouble would they be would they be able to understand me with my English accent? You know? I mean No. Would it? Oh, yeah. That's the trouble. Yes. What about my toilet humor? I don't think that would go down very well in America, would it?  

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Not really. We're still  

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we we still well, big cities, the big cities all have toilet humor, but the countryside is pretty much Christian,   conservative Christian. By the way, you know, because what we're talking about we're talking about   white traders   to the white We are. White rate.   But but it being   sellouts.   Starmer being a perfect example in your country   and Biden oh, Biden, perfect example. But, I'm not giving Donald Trump any credit. I think he's just doing here. Here's what's going on in America.   Donald Trump is posing   as the great white hope.   Yep. Okay? And the reason he's posing as that is to make liberals   afraid.  



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Okay? Do you have a say? Working? Are they afraid? Yeah. Are they afraid? Of course they are. They're going nuts.  

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They want a communist revolution because that's the only way you can get rid of Trump  

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or so they think. I guess it is. Right? Yeah. So they think. Okay. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. And that's what Donald Trump is doing. He's not working for us at all. He's just pretending to. You know? I I I tend to agree with you. I agree with what I have to. I agree. I agree with you. It's all an act. It's a big play. They've got their lines. He's been given the role of the golden boy or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. We got a   Yeah. We got a similar thing with so Faraj or Faraj, who lives in a garage as I thought. Right. He I mean, we've said here before, if I go out and have a beer with him, I think it'd be a good night out. Honestly, I think we'd have a great chat. He's a very lively conversationalist. He's cheeky. Right. He's got that the gift of the gab. He's like a like a used car salesman that's not even bad. He's actually be quite a good one. You won't mind buying a used car. But to run the country?   Uh-uh. No. He and I think if we look at all the domino effect of how they set things up, they gave us a succession of retarded conservative governments on purpose   left then being run by Rishi   Sunacre or whatever his name was. That's just another insult that we have to have an alien running the country, so we get used to that. Then they bring in this absolute retard. He's not really a retard. He's very bright, but this complete clown man called Starmer,   who is, as we mentioned earlier in the show in the first hour before you were around here, like, is every single thing that you would not want doing to restore your nation, he does those things. I mean this week has been,   I suppose you would call it a disaster except you know that there's a plan. So for example, what he's done this week is apparently we're going back into the World Health Organization.  

We're going back into the European Union.   This means that,   food inspectors from Europe are gonna be able to come over and inspect British farms to European standards.   He signed a deal to allow our fishing zones to be invaded by other boats for the next twelve years.   There's also a freedom of movement in Europe thing for the for the youth. This is another label that they put on it to disguise it. Right? So that literally,   hundreds of thousands, if not millions of them, can all move around and come here for a free house. He's actively,   literally destroying our nation. That's what he's absolutely doing. The mainstream media, of course, say it's been a shocking week in politics. Not for him and his bosses it hasn't.  

This is the plan, obviously. And they've got to start phrasing it that this man is not simply a traitor. He's directly he's working for an enemy which intends and is apparently succeeding   in dismantling everything that we love about where we live. So that there won't be anything here left to love. So that we won't wanna live here, so that we won't even exist, which as you know is absolutely the theme of all this. So,   you you know, we have these little headlines. I mentioned it earlier when Iwan was on over on, the   the Guardian newspaper, which is just hilarious. This one particularly   analysis   with when he was with, Rama Poser, Trump's white genocide claims ignore reality in South Africa, says the Guardian.  

But they don't. Alright. No. They actually don't do that. They actually pay attention to them and it is a reality   and it's true. But of course, you know, maybe the maybe the Liberals set in The Guardian are the same as the Liberals over in your neck, in other words. They've just got this completely retarded view of what's actually they don't.   It may well be that people here that follow this stuff were so far,   you know, into the truth of it all that, you know, we're talking of a gobbledygook language to mainstream journalists, so it couldn't possibly be like that. No. It couldn't not possibly be like that. That's obviously the way it is. You know? You you look at you look at the Russian Revolution, for example.  

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It was all people that are brought up in the town, and Stalin   sent, university people that were town people to tell farmers that have been farming for hundreds of years, for generations,   how to farm.   And that's the way they think. That's the way they behave.   They are loopy loo, and they think there's something special because   they they don't know how food is grown. They don't know how country folk live, but they want to dictate to them how they live, and that is the communist way. I actually believe that communism is a form of mental illness.   It really is. Mhmm. These people are mentally ill,  

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and and that's it. You know? It's because they don't have any spiritual   they it is. It is. They don't have a spiritual guiding light that they're willing to obey.   So they've created their own, and it's hell. I mean, I like that definition of a heaven and not that I necessarily go for those. I think they're directions, really. You're either going in a heavenly one or you're going in a hellish one. I don't know whether they're actually true destinations.   I might have upset a few people, but I just think this process is infinite and I can't actually anticipate it all. But the definition of hell that I liked is where you were in charge, and the definition of heaven is where God's laws are in charge. And I'm going, yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Because every time we look at history, we remain in charge.   I'm afraid we are. We're all in hell and don't know it. We're we're we're all in hell even though I get a nice cup of tea every now and again, which alleviates the pain momentarily whilst I'm glugging it down.  



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But yeah. Right. Yeah.   Alright. Well, here. I've I just put a quotation in the chat area, which,   probably   one of the most intelligent   quotations about progressives and conservatives you'll ever find. This is by one of your people,   GK Chesterton.  

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Oh, one of my favorite guys. The fat man as he was sometimes  

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referred to. I like GK a lot. Yes. Eli Yeah. You put it in a private chat so nobody can see it.  

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So Oh, okay. Well Put it in the don't worry, Eli. I'll stick it in the in the rumble chat. Don't worry about that. And in YouTube, don't worry about that. I'll do it now. It's very short. It's very short. I'll just read it. The whole modern world has divided itself into conservatives and progressives.  

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The business of progressives is to go on making mistakes.   The business of conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.  

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Yep.  

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That's it. Okay. That's what happens.   Slowly but surely, the society gets totally corrupted   by minute changes, which the conservatives never correct.   That's what Donald Trump is doing.  

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Yeah. He just pretends to correct them.  

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That's right.  

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It's a theatrical performance. It's like It's Starmer earlier this week was saying, we're going to stop the boats.   What?  

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What do you mean you're going to stop? What do you mean you're going to stop? What do you mean you're going to stop? What do you mean you're going to stop? What do you mean you're going to stop? What do you mean you're going to stop? What do you mean you're going to stop? What do you mean you're going to stop?  

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When he came in, people got, oh, isn't he fantastic?   He's doing this. People said, he's he's giving loads of money to the NHS, National Health Service. He's doing this. And I remember my parents talking to a nurse. She's, oh, now Blair's in. We're seeing a lot of good changes and things. Oh, yeah.   It's a load of old pooey. It's loads of pooey. It's much  

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smugglers. Mirrors. Yeah. Horse horse horse manure. Horse pocket. Yeah. Right? Yes.  

[02:43:09] Unknown:

Bovine excrement.   Yeah. But Yeah. It's bovine excrement, and I think Trump   is doing exactly the same.   I give it about a a year, and people will like Trump like they dislike well, they dislike Trump, like they dislike Blair.  

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Yeah. He'll go the same way. Will have to, won't they? Eric, when you think about it, they always go like that so that they can introduce the new guy who's gonna solve all your problems for you. So the tail end, Donald, of your thing, cock it all up so it looks really bad. So So that when we come in, we've got all these stories to tell about how we're gonna fix all these problems that Donald did. It's just one deal and it's that thing. It doesn't matter which party you vote for, the government always gets in. I think a lot of people are seeing this, you know. I mean,   they're getting close to it. They've just got to stop in their language appealing.  

Oh, if if they would only do this. But they've never done anything for us. Don't you see it? I mean, it's a terrible admission for people to make. What you mean my participation in politics is completely futile? Yep. That's about the size of it. It is. But not as a disruptive element. If we could create disruptive elements, we might be able to do it. We've got a guy over here, Eli, called Rupert Lowe.   And I sound like a sick event even for just mentioning him. I'm not. But he was involved in Farage's   reform party but got booted out, I believe. I don't know where he is in sort of political limbo at the moment. But being too much of a reformer.  

Well, for talking like a man, frankly.   He can actually talk like one. When he talks, it sounds like there's a man in the chair talking and thinking things through as opposed to some ideologue, some sort of chattering idiot who's just like an echo chamber, which is all that Starmer is. I mean, he's not even in command of anything.   And   so Farage to me is absolutely a poison chalice.   And that's what it's all geared up. Okay. So reform is Yeah. Yeah. Reform is going through the roof in the opinion polls.   I'm even gonna go along to my local reform party. I might go. Why am I going? Not because I'm yeah. No. No. I wanna go and see what these people that are in it are actually really concerned about and how bold they are in their communication because everybody knows what people want, but no one dares say it. And Okay. If they're not gonna say it, they won't get it. Yeah. Yeah. If you don't ask, you absolutely cannot get it. Well, if they say it, they get to boot.  



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Right?  

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Yeah. Well, they do it in the political circles. Yeah. Yes. They do. Right? There. You guys have heard of Malcolm x. Right? Malcolm x? We've heard of Malcolm x, another brave man for his people. Is that not right? Yeah. Well, yeah. He was he was assassinated  

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for Yes. Telling the truth about white liberals. Okay? Here Yes. Here's a quote from him. In this deceitful American game of power politics, the Negroes   are nothing but tools   used by one group of whites called liberals   against another group of whites called conservatives,   either to get into the power or to remain in power.   Among whites here in America, the political teams are no longer divided into Democrats and Republicans.   The whites who are now struggling for control of the American political throne are divided into liberal and conservative.   The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way. The liberal is   more deceitful   than the conservative.  

The liberal is more hypocritical   than the conservative.   Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor.   And by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro,   the white liberal is able to use Negro as pawn or tool in this political football game that is constantly ranging between the white liberals and the white conservatives.  

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Yep.   That's why they killed him. Right?  

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That's why they killed him. Right? Mhmm. He's exposing how the game is played.   Yeah. I hope the audience is a big appreciate what we're talking about here. You can't trust any politician anymore.   Any politician who is   decent, good will be assassinated.  

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Right. Well, that's that's doing it for me. I'm not going into politics. I don't wanna be assassinated.  

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Well, I am. But we'll see what happens.  

[02:47:27] Unknown:

Okay. But you're go what you're I guess I'm a lawyer. Going up for mayor? Are you going in for mayor?   For mayor? What's what's mayor? Going to be a mayor? What are you going to be? What are what are you going to be? Mayor?   Mayor. Mayor.  

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Okay. Yeah. Right. There you go.   Yeah. I'm We're called mayors out here.   Yeah.   Mayor and mayor.  

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A divorce. Yeah. No. No. No.   Although, I guess we could do. They're certainly not stallions. Let's put it that way. Yeah.  

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I I I should be a a a multilingual comedian. I I tell my jokes in American.   People who understand British.   They're just double entendres up to Wazoo. That's great stuff. Yeah. This is where the world is at. The the hypocrisy well,   beware the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.   Yep.   And nobody knows it's hypocrisy.   That's why, you know, Talk Radio must expose how the game is played.   It's just really incredible.   Yeah. So you have,   what's his name again?   JK Chesterton?   Just Oh, who Yeah. There's yeah. There's been so many good conservative you know, true conservative.   The only way I disagree with Malcolm X is here that there are true conservatives in America.  

All liberals   are any any liberal in power is a hypocrite.   Absolutely 100% hypocrite.   But the the blacks and the Antifa and the left that follow these white hypocrites   have no they're clueless that they're lead they're being led by hypocrites.   The, the American right has been,   hostility co opted   by   these,   well, neocons. That's what we call them here in America.   Neoconservatives   who have promoted the interest of the Israeli state over the interest of America.   That has taken place over the last twenty years,   and the,   Christian Zionists are are the main,   you know, mainspring for that development. So the but the true conservative, the right wing, true conservative,   constitutionalist,   sees through the game. I can't give you an estimate of how many there are, but we have guns.  

And when we wake up, we're gonna use them.   Okay? That's my only hope short of the second coming,   that there's any hope for the white race.   Okay?   Anyway, that's my 2¢ worth.  

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No. No. I think it's a good I mean, you know, no one wants it to come to that. And I suppose the desire for it to not come to that is currently greater than   the unavoidable decisions for it to come to that if you've got nothing left. The thing is that people have still got quite a bit left and, of course, it sounds as I'm arguing for poverty and destitution. I'm not. But there is a poverty stricken spirit in the West which has been organized and brought about   incrementally a bit like when Ivan was talking about boiling frogs which everybody I'm sure is pretty familiar with. You you wipe people out very slowly so that they never can detect it. Of course, what they've done recently is they've sped everything up. Now everybody's   noticing it, but the media don't really know how to respond, I think. And so they're still on autopilot   describing this situation   with the same sorts of language that they've always described it. Oh, this is a thing. This is a that. No. No. No. It's war, mate.  

It's what you're denied a voice. You can't speak. You're being dictated to. The decisions they're making self evidently go against the desires of the great majority of, in in my case, England. They of the people of England. They just do.   We've never been consulted about who's managing us. We're told that we voted for these people, but we find out that that's probably not true, that something else voted for them and got them in. That the whole thing is arranged, that all the parties are working for the same people, that the bank is in charge, and the bank is in charge, and the bank is in charge, and that George Soros, for example, is funding   things all over the place here to port us back into here. Everything left. He needs to be arrested.  

It's it's financial terrorism. People are dying because of this man's interference in our way of life. So he needs to be found and caught under any circumstances and imprisoned for the rest of his life. And they will worry about charges after he's dead because he's self evidently causing harm to our people. It's not. Amen. And of course, you you can't hear this. We can't hear we can hear it here for as long as we're allowed to say these sorts of things. And of course, he could hire a very expensive lawyer to beat the crap out of me in court, but it wouldn't change the truth. It's it's getting the recognizers of the truth. It's like the the people in the courtroom need to be the whole of England in our case. We need 50,000,000 in the courtroom and they all look at them and go, if you say a word that's out of order, we're gonna literally tear you limb from limb because you're finished. But we can't seem to get to that point of people acquiring strength to want to do it. Deception. You know?  

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Yeah. The deception is too great. He has a couple of things to say about black leaders under the wing of the liberals, he's there. He says, in this profitable game of deceiving and exploiting the political politician   of the American Negro,   those white liberals have the willing cooperation of the Negro civil rights leaders.   Yep. Let me repeat that. The willing cooperation   of the Negro civil rights leaders. These, quote, unquote, leaders sell out our people for just a few crumbs   of token recognition   and token gains.   He's talking about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharptongue.  

These leaders are satisfied with token victories and token progress because they themselves are nothing but token leaders.  

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This is Malcolm x that said this?  

[02:53:07] Unknown:

No. Yes. It's Malcolm x.  

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So you can see why he got shot?  

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Yeah. That's right.   Yeah. That's, David Mann, I guess, hasn't got a big enough audience as far as he's speaking to Christians mainly. You know? So Christians don't matter. Well, maybe he's viewed as being because he is pretty theatrical,  

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in a way that's probably difficult for many people to hear what he's saying. He's extremely energized. His voice is kinda high pitched, and it it comes it doesn't come across as well as if he was calm. Thomas Sowell   is an outstanding Yes. What we would call an African American.   He's serious, and he's a natural leader of his people. Where's he get but you're gonna need a clutch of them, and he's probably aware that if they were to put something together, they'd get attacked because he's gonna upset Yeah. You know, the bankers rip off apple cart. They don't want that. Again and again and again, we keep coming down to this creditor class saying we get served first. And if the rest of the humanity has to go down the toilet, so be it. We don't care. We know they don't care because we've got history to look at for those of us that look at history. We know that. Mhmm.   But the thing  

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but the thing is this country has been under slavery since   October   because   the Normans put a Norman   king and queens on the thrones, and you got to remember who financed the Normans coming over   at the October. Yeah. It was, people we're not allowed to criticize.  

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And Right. But you also have the Bank of England, which is created by the same people, and that doubled your slavery.  

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Doubled. That's right. And that was,   that was, Cromwell as well. Cromwell. Yes. Cromwell. Of the,  

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placement. What's your interest? Usury.   Are you familiar with E Michael Jones? You are, Eli. I know because you've actually met him. Yeah. Do you are you familiar with Emereck? Yeah. Do you know him? Yes. Yes. I know he, Michael Jones. Yeah. He's a Catholic intellectual. He's a he's a prolific writer, and many of the things much of what he writes, I agree with. Certain of his stances, I couldn't disagree with more fully, but that's by the by. But he was being interviewed the other day   on,   her interesting   times, Kelly. Is it Timothy Kelly? I think it is. He's the host of that. It's very it was a very good show. He was talking about Cromwell   at some point. Oh, really? And he was yeah. Well, he was just saying that apparently there are some conservatives over here that that won't like the return of a Cromwell figure. He couldn't stop laughing and neither could I. I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous. Are they aware that the people of England hated that man so much that after he was dead, they hung his corpse up in a cage until his head fell off or what was left of it. He was he was repulsive.  

An absolute repulsive toady of the international banking cartel. Whatever you wanna say, discuss and that's the reason why he had that army. The the the new model army was paid for by Caraval,   the Jewish financier of armies across Europe. That's where all the money came from to pay for the bloody army who are basically a bunch of commies.  

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Yeah. I hate them all.   And then what did he do when he come into power? He abolished Christmas, didn't he? Apart for himself. Yeah. He did? He did. He did.  

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He was mad. He was mad as a mad as a box of frogs.   Apparently,   he had us a lot like the equivalent of a psychiatrist. I suspect he might have been poisoned or whatever and weirded out. He was very odd. Could be.   He he kinda thought he was some Old Testamentarian   this, that, and the other. And in a way, he's kinda part of the truth that but they got completely the wrong thing. I think Puritanism as well is something that I've not really looked at. It's always worried me over here because I always tend to associate it with witch burning, which is another devastatingly  

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sick thing. It's sick. It's unbelievably sick. Maybe we should be burning a few more witches if  

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you get my drift. Okay. I don't know about that, Eli. They might turn you into a newt.  

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Yeah. Well, yeah, I'd rather be burnt at the stake than die as a slave.   Yeah. Okay? Yeah.   Do I need to repeat that? No. I'm sorry.   I'd rather be burned at the stake than die, which is what happened to William Tyndale, by the way, for Gary to translate the Bible into English.   How dare he?  

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Okay? That's interesting.   Yeah. Okay.  

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We're near the end, by the way. We just got a couple of minutes, Eli, to wrap up. I just read this quick quote from the chat. Harvey number one writes, I prefer Kenny Everett's solution. Now you won't know who Kenny Everett is, Eli, but he was a zany Oh. Comic over here, radio host. He was quite lively. Let's put it that way. He was play he was, playing for the other side, unfortunately,   sexually. But he says, I prefer Kenny Everett's solution. Round them all up in a field and bomb the bastards.  

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I don't know. What do you think about that, Eric? Could that be done? I don't know. It sounds a bit interesting idea, didn't it? Yes. I think shoving one islands on their own would be the best idea. Well, just pop the whole thing on. One way or another.  

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Yeah. It's gonna Yeah. Happen one way or another. Yeah. We've had enough of it. This economies by the way, your your country is supposed to go to CBDCs   this this October.  

[02:58:11] Unknown:

Oh, I can't wait. That's gonna turn out good. Yeah. That'll give us a lot of I can't wait. Some freedom. Yippee.  

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Yeah.   I can't wait to see the black market that forms after they put that in.   Mhmm. Now maybe you can get something for for your money.  

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I know. Yeah. X XO writes it look. We're speaking quicker and quicker to meet the deadline. XO writes it ironically, writes that anarchists and commie youth   saw Cromwell as an idol in the nineteen eighties. Isn't it just   isn't it just Not anymore.  

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No. Not anymore.   Well, I hope Let me repeat one a slogan I learned from a a Cuban   anti communist expatriate who who moved from Cuba to America.   Had a he was the, head of the Chicago branch of the populist party,   and he and I had a conversation. He said that this is a slogan among the Cuban anti communist.   If at 20,   you are not a communist,   you have no heart.   If at 30, you are still a communist, you have no brains.  

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I think that's about right. Yeah.   I know where they're coming from. I mean, communism starts off with all these supposedly good intentions as a counteraction against rampant excessive capitalism. Who could disagree with that? But it's the wrong solution.   There's a And this is one of the things we're talking about the other week with Belloc. Belloc points this out quite clearly in the crisis of civilization   that it's understandable how it comes out, but it's completely slack assed and he hasn't thought things through   because it doesn't safeguard the pro it creates a bigger proletariat. Yeah. It makes it even worse. Okay.  



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Can you hear the music? Well, I have to bug out.   Anyway.   I I have a visitor, so I have to bug out. Take care, everybody.  

[02:59:55] Unknown:

See you guys later. Look forward to we'll have you back in a couple of weeks' time if this works for you because it certainly works. It's been great having you again. Absolutely. Alright. Thank you. Nice to meet you. See you, Eli. Bye bye. With you, Eric. Bye bye. Thank you. Bye bye, Eli. Bye bye. Thanks everyone tonight for the show. Thank you, Eric. We've we've had a long haul. It's been brilliant. It's a pleasure. Some good guests. Absolute pleasure. And and the the show's format is taking a new sort of shape,   which I quite like, and we'll we'll even get other people on to speak. So I'm I'm working away on this with sort of little guests in the second and third hour. It's great. Keep well, everyone. Have a cracking week. We'll see you very soon. Bye for now.  



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Well, that went alright, didn't it?  

[03:01:02] Unknown:

Yeah. It did. It went alright. It was great. Just hang on. I'm just turning a few, but I enjoyed it a lot. Actually, it was brilliant. I did. Yeah. Can we Yes.  

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And, Yeah.   That was bloody good. That was and, I was very interested in South African chappy.  

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Yeah. Well, I've been back. Liberal. Yes. He sounds,  

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I wanna find out his views on apartheid   and and and that because   I know for a fact there's a lot of blacks that want apartheid back.   They don't like what's going on. Yeah. No.   And, No. They don't.   Do you like this format? What do you think about this format? Works a bit better, I think. Don't you think? I think it works a lot better. Yeah. Yeah. I think it it it it it's it's great. The only trouble is well, we when it so this the show began, I was sitting there thinking, what's going on? You notice what I put in the I had my microphone set to the wrong setting. It was supposed to pick up the whole board and send it into StreamYard.  

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And I'd been playing around with the settings a day ago, and I'm I'm sure I'd reset them, but it went back to the previous ones. So I've I've just made a double note to never ever bugger about with it. Yeah. Because there's so many different switches and you go why is the sound not coming? Oh, it's there. Click. And then it suddenly opens up the floodgate. So I'm sorry about that. But No. It's okay. I can't be right. No. It's gonna get better because I've got I'm much more in control of things. And what I've done, just to let you know, I've also sent,   an invitation to Monica   to come on, like, once a month in one of these hours. Oh,   yes. You you know, like, once a month and Eli once every couple of weeks and one And and, and there's another couple of guys from The States, then we bring them in, and then we get some English people saying the second hour and keep moving it through. And I'd like to do the first hour with you if you're on for that because I think it's really gonna work well. Thanks. I love it. Yes. I love working with you on this stuff, and I'm much happier about the way it is now.  

Because it's not gonna ramble so much. And we can start to work I'm gonna start working on the brakes in the middle to put ads in and stuff like that so that it sounds we start to polish up the whole finish of the thing. That's really what I wanna do. So,  

[03:03:09] Unknown:

yeah, very pleased with today. There are a few cock ups. And I'll tell you something. Now I'm on Chrome, you know, it says no problems.   So I I think I've I've think I've found the problem. It's Firefox.   And that was thanks to Eli. Because you mentioned about Eli saying Firefox is rubbish. I've put this on Chrome. Is that what you were using? Were you using Firefox, were you? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Because,  

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that's that's You don't even think that a browser would let you down in such a way. It was ridiculous. I've just found that out tonight. But but look at it. It's working. It's not a problem.   And I'm gonna do No. You didn't get kicked off, did you? No. You didn't get kicked off.  

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I'm gonna do the same with Sunday show and see what happens.   So Firefox is is crap.  

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But really, let me work with you to sort out butts so that you can see please. Straight onto the radio. And Oh, yes, please. Yeah. If you want if you wanna do the we've got to do a thing with the studio and stuff so that you can go on to YouTube more easily.   I mean, you I if you've got a StreamYard does your StreamYard account stream straight into YouTube? It does, doesn't it?   Yes. Yes. Go straight into YouTube. Yeah. So do you have a do you have a paid account with StreamYard? No. No. It just goes straight into StreamYard. It just goes into YouTube. That's it. Well, you're lucky because I've got a limit of just five hours a month on StreamYard for streaming. Cuts me off. It used to be 20 on the free account. And when it was 20, it was perfect.   Yeah. So if you got free, they must you must have been still in there, and they're still allowing you twenty   twenty hours of streaming. Yeah. Because you do eight hours at least, don't you? Each show is at least two and a half hours a week. Right. Yes. Yes. That's right.  



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And,   yeah, I I haven't really had any problems with it. I I like StreamYard.   But,   with   always with YouTube,   there's always a chance you might say the wrong word or and the algorithms are gonna pick it up, and I get booted out. I mean, they they they really did went to town on me by taking 20 of my shows down, which I wasn't happy about. But Mhmm.   I think that was all part of a kind of a purge that I had on other people as well.   Yep. But it would be nice to,   by the way, that d day special,   any thoughts on that? Because that is   too it's in a couple of weeks' time. It's not that it's not that long in the future. I'm just looking at my diary now.  

Where are we? With twenty second today.   Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So we've got   Thursday,   next Thursday, the twenty ninth. It's one week.   It's only just barely two weeks, just over two weeks   to d day.   And I was thinking about that show   that we recalled.   So they can be done any time of the day. And then on the Sunday, I'll be if well,   Monica, I think she's booked it now.   Yeah. She's coming on the Sunday, and, of course, you are more than more than welcome   on.   But,   how does mister Carrington Hitchcock feel about,   you know, would he be up for coming on or Dennis   Dennis Wise? We don't want too many people  

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on. No. Dennis would be fine. The time. I can ask Andy, but he's just terrible at live after 08:00. He goes to bed at eight. I'm serious. Right?  

[03:06:29] Unknown:

Well, we could we could record it in the morning because it is it will be a recording. So it could be any time of the day,   that suits everybody.   I'm usually busy during the day, but I can make time for it.   Yeah.   A time that would be suitable for yourself as well.   And it's I mean, I guess he's well up with the second World War.   And,  

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Who? Eli?  

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No.   Carrington Hitchcock.  

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Yeah. He is. It's just he's a very   precise sort of person.   I'll I'll speak to him about it. I've invited him on here loads. He's like, oh, no. I can't. And all that. And it's a pity because I did so many. I did 220 shows with him and stuff like that. I'll tell you the other idea I'm once I've got this settled another week, the other thing I'm thinking of and it's just what it's to do with is how during the week I gather stories,   right, is I really would like to do a breakfast show, I think, during the week. Yeah. It might be worth a try. Or maybe even Saturday mornings or something. So   what we've got on Soapbox is we pick up,   Mike Graham from 6AM to 10AM. I end up listening to it loads. There's tons of good stuff in there. It's great. I mean, he's he's he's the best of of that stuff. Right? There is some good stuff. Yeah. And I thought,   well, maybe   ten till eleven or the two hours afterwards,   one or two mornings a week might be fun   to just That's true. I'm gonna say it's gonna be often air. Yeah. Or it could be that I you take sort of three newspaper websites and I take the other three, and we just go through them. You know, we just bomb the news stories around and go, it's easy. We just got loads of material and then we can just provide withering toilet humor as we go through them and slowly pull it apart   and sell pencils at the same time, you know, so that people can work it out for themselves.  



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The wonder pencil.   Yeah.   Yeah. That's fine. But,   no. It's because pencils are the cheapest a lot, and they that that can go out. And I was gonna, take a load over to miles.   So if people go in there, they just pick one up, and they go, you know, I'll give them away free. I don't mind because,   it it's got the logo on the side and everything. But I think that I like that I'd tonight was good. It really did work. And I think if I tonight.   Oh, I think if we'd have actually if I'd have gone on on,   oh, what do you call it? Firefox,   I think I'd have been booted off again.  

I really do believe that. Yep.  

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You know? Yeah. You would.   Oh, isn't that great that we found that thing? Yeah. It's just it's just little things. You go, why is it cocking them? We go, oh, because we didn't know. We're just using the wrong browser that was letting us down because it was blipping and doing something. It's just weird. Yeah. But now that you know, it's great. It means you've got a really solid thing. Because if I get you set up with but and done right, you can then go live on this on the radio whenever you want to. I mean, I'll sort it out with you. Oh, brilliant. We can we can energize the space more fully and and start to because I'm gonna   really work on beefing up the soapbox website. We we're gonna have chat rooms on it, a much fuller listing Yeah. Feature of the shows with links to your podcast archives and and rumble channels and all that kind of stuff. So we can turn it into a more dynamic space. Yeah. And Yeah. The the, you know, I just heard today that Richy Allen's just been you know Richy Allen? Yeah. I know Richy Allen. Yeah. He got arrested yesterday or something. Really?  

Yeah. Somebody had moaned about his show. I just got news to that he's been arrested or something. It's on his Facebook page. He's been arrested  

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and stuff. I mean, he does effing blind a bit throughout his broadcast, which I think is really stupid. I can't stand his rant. So I I I don't listen to the radio for someone to get for for a rant. And, also, he does suffer from naughty Nazi syndrome. So I'm surprised he's been arrested because,   you know, it's sort of well, it's a Nazi's, you know, and all that sort of rubbish. So,   that is very, very interesting.   But mind you, he does stick his neck out occasionally.   But,   I actually find him irritating. I can't listen to him for very long. He's Yeah. Yeah. Me too.   I'll get bored with him, but to be straight with you.  

The other thing I met do you know a lady called aunt Sally?  

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I think you might I do. Yeah. She's she commented in the and she's always yeah. I don't know her personally, but I know her because she's  

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Well,   I meet I meet her occasionally in miles because I went along to miles to get a tablet top up. I talked to some tomato plants there, and she came along.   And, I invited her on the show for the recorded one for D Day   because she's always in the in the bath, and she said, yes. She's up for it.   So it'll be radio,   four people.   Nice to get a female's view as well. And I thought on the Sunday, we can talk about that one hour show. It's just be one hour. That's all all it'll be,   because   there's gonna be a load of old waffle about d day because it's the eighty first anniversary.   And, I think it it's nice to get a different viewpoint over. So is it literally the sixth is a Sunday? Is it is that what's is that what's for? No. The June 6 is actually on a Friday.  

So my plan is to do a recorded show beforehand,   and it will go out on that Sunday at 08:00.   Right. And you and I'll I'll because you can actually sit in chat, and you can answer on chat. So people but, you know, we're gonna say it's recorded, but I'll be in chat. And then on the Sunday,   I thought we'll   have a talk general about that   our   recorded show we did and about D Day generally   and why it was just a complete and utter bloodbath and totally unnecessary.   Yeah. And it was. It was totally unnecessary.  

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Well, I'll be able to tell you because my dad was there, so I can I I can mention that my dad was actually there for three days? He was on a destroyer for three days. I remember him mentioning all that. So I probably said it before. I think though I think if the World War two stuff is really key,   but it's like a little jewel. And I think if we overcook it, it I agree. I think I agree. Because we're in a war now that's bigger in a way. And we at least we're in a situation where we're not getting our arms and legs ripped off in in absolute physical agony and dying.   But we are getting our spirits crushed, which is possibly even sicker and worst. Not crushed, but they're they're mucking about with us. And and I think if we keep pushing the communications envelope, we're gonna find ways of talking about this that will prove ever more arresting and interesting to the listeners to really expand the audience base. I mean, I think right. I mean, going on about World War two being killed in Italy, but that is my pet subject. You know, that that's the thing. Yeah. I know. I could sit like a bloody old diesel engine going on for ages apparently. That's a trouble, you know. Yeah. I know. Well, I think at certain points,   it's really relevant to do that. I I just think it it really is. I'm not a guinea at all. There's so many different aspects to it.  

I mean, one of the things I just came across,   there's a book by Irving, which is not about World War two.   It's about it's called Uprising,   and it's about Ah. The uprising in Hungary.  

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Yes. Yes.  

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Now I heard an audio clip from him speaking in Miami in the 1990. Someone sent it to me the other day. I've when we do a thing, I'm gonna put it into the show. I've got it lined up in because I tell you, the amount of work it takes to find the clips and to edit them down and have them ready to go, it take I'm I'm what I'm trying to do is work out how much time it takes me to do this stuff. People, oh, it's easy getting a clip. I go, no. It ain't. It's not. It takes, you know, it's half an hour per clip that's that's two minutes in the show. It takes that Yes. It just takes time. And I'm going, I don't mind as long as I can plot it out and go, I've got enough time to do this. I could do two really good three hour shows a week and no more. I can't do any more. I mean, the thing with Alan is he's got three screens. He's got this fantastic studio. He knows what he's doing because he was trained as a journalist. So I'm imagining that he gets up early in the morning. He's checking all the newspaper sites. He builds his show and away he goes. And it's full time. And he's got 50,000 listeners.   It's the biggest   independent radio station. I don't know how he's managed to get that, but   but we ought to be able to develop a sort of programming schedule that could   go down those lines. And it's just a matter of knowing editorially how far we can go. And then we move to language where we say, well, we'd like to talk about this but we can't. And people will, in their minds, start to fill in the gaps. They'll they'll do it. They just go, this is a space we go, oh, you know why we can't talk about this, so we're not gonna talk about it. And what I think we're pretty good at all that kind of stuff. I really do, you know. Yeah. Well, I I I think that, you're you're  

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you're spot on there because,   you know, you've got I mean, Richie Allen, to be blunt, is a boring fart. I find it boring. And I think we can do a lot better. We I I really do think the key key to it is there is no,   cynicism of government now. People are frightened of being cynical. And Yeah. You know, you used to have fantastic pro papers, like,   I used to read Private Eye regularly.   That is part of the establishment now, Private Eye. It is. Yeah. Got anything   There's no real   human and I wanna bring that back. There's laughter all the time. There's constant laughter because we gotta laugh at them. And the only way we're gonna win it is is to be positive   and bring happiness into people's hearts. I mean,   people are, especially with these jabs  

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that they've had, acting very, very strangely. Have you noticed that? There's some Well, I've seen a lot of reports about it. I assume it must be kinda going on. I mean, there's   these things that have happened this week,   even though I don't give it crushing dramatic emphasis in the show because I I don't want to indulge in that way,   they're majorly   bad.   And it's not   the the idea that he thinks he can take us into the European Union,   that's enough to declare war on the government   because they've they're waging war on us. How am I supposed to phrase this? What do I mean by war? It's gotta be a communications war. So we have to find this way of building up the audience. I think it can be done. I mean, I would like people to come forward   and say, yes.  

I could I could manage   a county radio station for Lincolnshire   or for Wiltshire or whatever go great because we I can build a station for people   where they wouldn't even have to supply   anything other than the promotion but as they found people   locally   they go, look I've got this guy called Bob Smith and he wants to do this show on a Thursday. I go, that's easy. There you are, it's done. And so at certain   parts of the day you go to like local programming this is how it works. So you've got like and we need one for every county that's 50 stations   and they all need to be getting a hundred listeners all the time and you go, well that's now now we're into the thousands. It's to develop it and build it up. I mean maybe there's not enough time, everybody says this. I got this message from Mark,   from Patriotic Alternative.  

You know, Mark who heads that up. I forgot his surname now. Mark begins with a c. Can't remember now. And he was they were talking about joining or getting involved with reform, and it's a very good communication that he made. Broadly speaking, I agree with it. He said, look. We're We're not getting involved with reform because we think we get any power. It's that it's where everybody's gonna go. So if we can get in there now, we might be able to influence it and do things. I mean, I don't think they will because I don't think anybody realizes that Farage is a complete placeman for the enemy   and is is basically another cul de sac guy. He's a guardian of it. It's a limited hangout. And this is why they kick Rupert Lowe out because Rupert Lowe is saying, no, we don't wanna just stop the boats. We've got to repatriate a lot of people. He's going in that direction.  

Everybody knows that that's the sense that needs to be said, but no one dare say it. They proved it. I mean, the BNP,  

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they did all the mathematics of it, and they said this country would save a fortune   even paying compensation,   sending them back. We would still save a hell of a lot of money.   And, also, the gum where these people   would go back to,   it would be voluntary.   They would actually help the economy of the country they came from.   So it's win win situation right the way through.   And,   you know, you wouldn't have third world poverty so much.   It it it just wins.   I just   well,   you know,   I think we   it is a really bonkers world. I mean,   when I went to, Waltham Abbey,   beautiful place. It's been ruined by by,   most of the shops are boarded up. Why? There should be family businesses there. There should be butchers and things like that. It's not they've gone.  

It's sad. It really is.  

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It's all gonna go. Yeah. It's all the the the whole thing is to wipe us out.   And people have got, oh, no. You can't be serious. Oh, no. Well, how long do you think it'll take? We've there's a lot of stuff that we've done that they're wiping out. Look at everything that you value. Is it being wiped out? Yeah. Well, there you go. There's no change in direction. It's just to wipe us out. Yeah. And there and and it is biblical in scope.   But but you say that to people and they shrivel. They go, oh, no. I don't wanna know about churches. I completely understand why they react that way. I don't wanna know about them either because they're a pain.   But the actual truth of the document is it   right at all. I mean, I've just been going through this book and in a few weeks time when I've gone through half of it, I'll do a show on it. This thing called and forgive them their debts. It's abs for me,   I'm exhilarated reading it. It's so brilliant. There's a there's a this is gonna sound a bit odd, but   Christ reads from Isaiah chapter 61.  

And if you if you've got a Bible, go and look at it. I guarantee that if you read it, you won't get this meaning from the way it's been redressed.   They've changed the language. They've softened Yeah. The key part of it.   This guy Hudson   explains   what's really being addressed in there, and I'm telling you Christ   is a fighter against usurers.   That's what the entire mission's about and   I mean I've overstr- it's not entirely about that but it's an absolute foundational plan. This is why they had to kill him. It comes that it's nothing new. They've dressed it up in a lot of mysticism and   done some terrible things with the whole thing. Right? But the simple truth is that,   I keep going over this account. There's a it goes and whips money lenders. Who who can't like that? Right? He whips the money changers in the temple. Get out. Right? You pricks. This is my father's house. Fuck off basically,   right, in modern parlance. That's what it would look like today. Yeah. And then the next day or a couple he's in a synagogue and he reads this thing from Isaiah. And what it is, as Hudson shows you what it is,   he's saying that this is about   the day of the it's like his phrases the day of the Lord. Well, what does that mean? It doesn't mean anything much. What it actually means is the day of the Lord is the day of the forgiveness of debts.  

That's exactly what it means. And I I couldn't have got that from any Bible at all that I've read. And I've I haven't sat down and read, Isaiah. I have not sat and read it all the way through. I jump into it when references are given to me. I got I better go and check this out. And slowly the picture is built up. I've not sat down and read it all the way through and most people would be very unwise to do so because they're gonna come away with an impression that's not   at the heart of it. And the heart of it is something very pragmatic  

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that basically, you start to forgive debts, you will create heaven on earth. You start to create it. You you you It's the good life. Yes. I agree with you. And I mean, let's face it. The only time there was a little bit more money around was in the sixties. And you look how creative that time was.   Unfortunately, the though, a lot of it was CIA,   you know, the music and things like that. But people were more creative because they had a lot more freedom.   And this is this is trouble. People can't be creative now because,   as that lecturer said, I can't remember his name, and he said, usury will eat everything that you own up. That's the way it's designed. That's what it's designed to do. It was just just it it just wants all your finances,   everything, and that's it.  

And and and that that is the the the the bugbear.   And   this is something that people have been deliberately   kept in ignorance about.   Yeah. And that that is so I may they've done a fantastic job of keeping pea people ignorant of it. You can't you know?  

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Yeah. I was kinda I was you're absolutely right. I mean, I was kinda thinking in terms of the structure of a month of broadcasting,   four weeks,   to sort of like folk each week focuses on a returning topic. So banking would definitely be one of them.   And another one would be media. I mean, it's just the obvious ones but it's almost like to focus that. One would be media, one would be banking, one would be about culture and race,   the other one could be about anything we like, architecture,   having a laugh, events, what we're gonna do. And I'm gonna try and look at it because then you go, alright, it's the third   Friday Thursday or whatever. This is what I'm thinking.  

So it's it's,   on the third one of every month, we really take another, a look at a different aspect of the hell that is banking.   And and to just keep going into it so that people could build it. I mean, it makes it easier to structure and to focus on things, you know. What about ask people to send pictures in  

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of the worst, not only the worst architecture,   but also the worst sculptures that we have that are springing up all over the place. These absolute crap sculptures.   And we could give them funny names and have a bloody good laugh of them. That's what they need to do. You know, like, have you seen the one with Abulsion On The Beach, I call it? And then you got that one up in, was it eyesore of The North,   which is an eyesore. Yeah. Mhmm. We just   and, of course, when we get into power,   they will be,  

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melted down and then, used for scrap. And that's what we're doing. With Cromwell. That statue of Cromwell at the house of the apartment. I turned that into a urinal almost immediately.  

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And also Churchill as well. Yeah. I'd have that as a sort of a crapper.   But, I won't be at all surprised if,   not so distant future, you might have a,   a monument to,   Blair. So   Yeah. So, you know. Anyway, Paul, I've gotta go absolutely Me too. Good.  

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Yeah. Me too. Thank thank you so much for tonight. Thank you so much as well.   It was a funny the recording has recorded perfectly, but the transmission   was missing music and stuff. And I now understand why people couldn't hear things out. There there was something wrong on the set. It's corrected, and I I know exactly where it went wrong. That's alright, though. Don't worry. But at least if they hear the tape, they'll hear it all fully. But, yeah, it was just a bit a bit messed up. I'll I'll get on top of it for next week, but that was that was okay. Are you free this Sunday? Because I've got no specific well, I mean, survival Steve will come in on a drop of VAT. He will.   He's a good bloke. And I'd like to say yes, but it's highly unlikely. Sundays are really difficult for me. Oh, I'm sorry. For for for traditional family reasons, it's the one time of the week when I get to spend time with my sons. They're both here usually.  

Late Sunday afternoon. Monday's a lot easier for me and I prefer it. I'll be around to sort your show out and and do that. But and the Sunday's really really is always gonna be difficult for me because I try to just put one day aside I know. Where I'm not in front of the computer and it refreshes me for the week, and I look forward to Monday morning. I % agree. Yes. That's all. So it's not that I don't want to. It's just that Oh, I understand. If I you know?  

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But,   the the only Sunday that what you might be interested in, though, and I'm trying not to badger you, is that is, the D Day alternative   view special   with,   Monica.   I'm pretty sure you won't wanna come on that one. That would be the  

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June 8. Now and again, I'll do one. Mainly, I won't, but for something like that, I'll I'll do one. Absolutely. I don't have a problem with that. And Yeah. This recording,  

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you know, if we can get that done, it's we got two weeks until the June 6.   Mhmm. Nice, concise, just one hour, and that'll be it. I was thinking.   So Yeah. Just a thought. Yeah. I'd love to do that. That'd be great. I'll be speaking to you tomorrow about what was it?  

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That's Sleep well. Just ping me. I'm around all day tomorrow. I've gotta go Okay. Tip, I think, in the morning. But from midday onwards, I'll be here all afternoon, and that'd be a good time to do it early afternoon or whenever. But I'll be here all afternoon. Yeah. Okay. I'll be around. I'll speak to you then. Okay? Yeah. Cool. Thanks, Eric. Really enjoyed it tonight. Thank you very much. Okay. Likewise. See you soon, mate. Okay. Bye for now. Bye. Bye bye.  

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