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In this episode of Paul English Live, we return after a three-week hiatus to discuss a range of topics, including the complexities of capital punishment and its moral implications. The conversation delves into historical perspectives, such as the practices of executioners like Henry Pierpoint, and the ethical considerations surrounding justice and retribution. The hosts also explore the broader societal issues of leadership, community, and the role of religion in shaping moral and ethical standards. The discussion touches on the challenges of modern governance, the influence of financial systems, and the need for a return to localism and community-focused living as a counter to globalist pressures.

Additionally, the episode features a segment on the innovative use of AI technology in audiobooks, highlighting David Irving's "Hitler's War" being released with an AI-generated voice. The hosts reflect on the potential of AI to transform how historical narratives are shared and the implications for the future of audio content. The show concludes with a call for practical solutions to societal issues, emphasizing the importance of community, property ownership, and a return to foundational principles to combat the challenges posed by modern economic and political systems.

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Well, hello, everyone, and, welcome. It's been a a little while, hasn't it? It's been a little while. It's been three weeks, actually, since we've done this. I I didn't know which buttons to press. It's,   Paul English Live here on WBN three two four for the next couple of hours. Episode and there's always an episode, really. Episode 81. It's good to be back. Welcome to the show.   And it's obviously been a mobile because our clocks are now synchronized with you American types properly once more. We're on a five hour gap between The UK and US Eastern time.   Well, hi, everyone, and, welcome back. Episode 81, as I was saying, just there right at the start. And,   yeah, a three week gap due to,   what should I say, circumstances beyond my control? Not quite, but,   a kind of serious situation on the home front, which we're not going to go into tonight because it would kind of color the whole tone and shape of the show. But I'm absolutely fine   and, in much better shape, than I have been over the past couple of weeks, which have just been a bit of a trial for all sorts of reasons in due course. I might talk about it later on.  

But it's great to be back.   Also, I've had a little bit of chance today to sort of, change our technical setup here. Everybody else seems to be getting new studios. I think Ria Bo got a new studio at the weekend. And, I haven't got, I would say, a new studio, but I've got a slightly   easier sort of button pressing regime at the beginning. I finally figured something out that was   bugging me with regards to streaming   to all these different platforms. So   just to let you know where we're going, we're going out on, WBN three two four. So hi, everybody, on the on the WBN radio station side. Great to be here, for the next couple of hours with you. We're definitely doing that.   The main port of call for the show in terms of interaction is Rumble.  

So you can hook up to that via paulenglishlive.com.   You'll find the Rumble link there if you like to chat and type and hang out with   other naughty types of people   or really decent types of people as well.   We're going out on Radio Soapbox,   which we also do. We'll run a little bit longer on Soapbox probably this evening than the than the two hour slot. And we're also on d Live,   which I've not been able to really promote or make it take take off, but so what?   And we're also going out on YouTube, and I've got a much simpler sort of arrangement this week, which is quite good. We've been using a sort of studio, which used to give us sort of, like, twenty hours of free streaming a month, and they've just curbed it back. I'm not naming any names,   to five hours a month, which made it useless. I had to sort of rejig a few things. I know this is all really rather tedious, isn't it? All this technical stuff.  

But, it's actually simplified things as well. And it's a cracking good little bit of studio stuff. It really works for me anyway. So there we go.   Today's show,   image for those of you on the radio that I'm in, is of some large gathering of English public schoolboy types, probably in the nineteen forties, I think, playing football.   It's really got nothing much to do with what we're gonna talk about at all, but it's such a cool picture that I wanted to use it.   Jumpers for goalposts and all that kind of stuff. And I've stretched the mixed metaphors in the, in the verbiage for the show as far as I could. There's probably loads that I've missed, but there could be plenty more.   All   these gentlemen in hats and footballs flying around and all the schoolboys in little suits, you know, just like it is today.  

Not.   So there we go.   My schooling wasn't quite like that, to be quite honest, but there we go. It wasn't.   Maybe I wished maybe I wished that it was. Anyway, I'm joined by,   a couple of the usuals here.   In fact, I'm joined by everybody. I'm just seeing that Eric's rocked up, so I'll just add him onto the stage.   But, welcome,   to the show, Paul, Patrick, and Eric. It's good to be back with,   with the crew or whatever I'm supposed to with with our team,   with our with our football team here. So, I just wondered what you've been doing for the last three weeks. What have you been doing on Thursdays? That's what I wanted to know.  

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I took a nap.  

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Oh, nothing then. Oh, I know.   You know, everybody,   I do this every week. You know, I mute everybody during my introduction, then I don't unmute them. So we're gonna start that again. Again. I took a nap. Patrick and Eric, welcome to the show. Hi. Paul, go on. Say some words to everybody. I'll let you know. Nap.  

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Did you? Well, on a Thursday, you had a nap. Thursdays are are horribly busy for me. Horribly busy, but but I wouldn't trade them for anything. But last week, I did take a nap. Yes. I did.  

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Thursdays are great. I love Thursdays. I've always loved Thursday. I always think it's the naughty day of the week. It's where you start to slope off before Friday,   and I've always done things on Thursdays. We used to when I used to play golf up until about   I didn't really play it very well, but it was just a good excuse to get out of the house for sort of five or six hours at the time. It's far too long. I can't afford that sort of time anymore. But, we set it for Thursdays because the guys that worked I was with I mean, not that I didn't work. Well, I don't suppose I do really. But,   you know, it gave them a very long weekend. And if you start going out on Thursday evenings, it's pretty cool you stretch the weekend out, you know, if you're into that sort of thing. And we obviously were back then. So well, I'm glad you've had a few naps, Paul. I know you passed the ice problem. I know it was prevalent in our in our in the last few shows before we took this break. How's the ice going?  



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I am   my bailing days are over, it would appear. Oh, yes. Oh, happy day. My buckets are now empty.   Cool.   As opposed to running over.  

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Cool. Fantastic. Well, you've been napping. Patrick, what have you been doing? It's not you don't have to answer it with any seriousness. It's just a way of getting getting the ball rolling today. Well, I've I've been enjoying the weather, the nice weather we had. And then, but the last couple days, we had some snow and sleet, but now it's all melting again. We had  

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we had kind of, yeah, dam ice dams breaking last night in the middle of the night, get up and hear the the ice dams   crashing on the roof. But other than that, you know, it's good to make the What's an ice dam? What's that mean? We I of course. I don't know why. The rooftop, you get a you get snow and sleet and hail accumulating, and then it freezes, and then you get big chunks coming up coming off as it melts.   And it just slides down the metal roof that we have and hits the other roof and makes makes a lot of noise.  

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I see. Got it. I see. I see why I did that. Yeah. Easy.   Definitely.   Well, over here in England, we've had no ice problems, have we, Eric?  

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Are you on mute? Not at all. Sorry. I was on I was on mute, and I forgot myself. But now we've got That's alright. You're allowed we won't forget you, but you can forget yourself, Eric. So we've not had any we've not had any ice, though, have we? We've been ice, haven't we? No. We've been tired of the ice. Listen. Do you know   the last, you know, last three Thursdays, I'm trying to get through the Samaritans, but, unfortunately,   everybody else who missed your show  

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has tried to get through them every day. So that's a tricky thing. Some help. I I I need some help. I've got withdrawal symptoms. Yes. So I wish. I feel flattered. This is great. I'm glad I've come back.  

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So tonight, Samaritans, you're gonna have an easy night because they're always there to you. See? So there we go. That's wonderful. Fantastic.  

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So shout out to everybody on Rumble that's already rocked up. Great to see you. Surprising that everybody's come back. Not really. I don't mean that. It's it's it's really good. Of course, I've kept people notified over this period. It was just it was unavoidable,   for reasons which, people here know. But I'd as I said, we're not gonna go into that tonight because it's just it doesn't make for good radio, frankly. It's not really what we wanna do. So,   but, yeah, good to see you back on Rumble. We're also going out nice and seamlessly, I have to say, on YouTube as well. Of course, this is part of my sort of oh gosh. Look at that. Stop that.   Stop that.  



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There we go. Seamlessly. Yeah. It sounds seamless to me.  

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I know. That's great. Well, okay. You know, hanging around with you technical trouser types, it's really good. I have to feed you something to to give you a laugh, you know. So that was it. Yeah. Blimey. I can't believe it. Yeah. Amazing.   So anyway, I'm the wrong hopeful of the video streaming world thinking that we can get away on YouTube, but we have done actually up to press. It's not been too bad. It probably means the show is too tame, and I need to start throwing in lots of acid and vile vitriol along the way. But we'll see. We don't really need to do that. But That's Eric's job. Technically   is that Eric's job? Oh, yeah. Well, it could be.  

It could be. Yeah.   Yeah. And, Eric, you've been having some cracking shows recently. What was that one you just did on Sunday? Just gone. That was very good. That was oh, thank you very much. That was whether to string the bastards up or not. We're just talking about capital punishment.  

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I'm not talking about capital radio, but having it, enforced. You know, if if you found guilty of something, you'd have to listen you have to listen to parrot cap Capital Radio for weeks. I mean, but no. And I was,   I was quite interested. I tried to get a show   where   it was people got equal time and and and that. And,   I did a poll on it, and the majority of people   are against capital punishment,   including myself.   And you will be most welcome on and everybody on the team will be most welcome back on another show that we might do on this because every month, we're gonna do a roundtable.   So,   but very interesting   points that brought that brought were brought up. I mean, I,   well, I know you're you're,   stand on this, Patrick, but,   we don't know yours, Paul. Both both you, Paul. So what how do you feel about capital punishment?  



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Well, I I couldn't make your show on Sunday because I was out beating the neighbor up for, driving his car into no. I wasn't really.  

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I need a note from your parents and I actually the lines, I think.  

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I was I've actually been looking around for a document. I think I might have mentioned it to you. And if I'd found it, I would have probably joined in the show, but I've I'm looking for something,   which I'm gonna try and find that. It's one of these things that really made quite an impact on me about eight or nine months ago. It was written by,   I think, the bishop or some high vicar in Durham,   about why capital punishment is a good thing, why it's God's law.   But I accept fully the I mean, the idea of, you know, bad justice is extremely worrying,   to put it, you know, nicely. It really is. And I think,   however, there's a reason why it exists. Now it could be people would say, well, this is the ancient world, and we don't do things like that. But I think the main problem with it is, and I don't know which maybe it was you who brought it up, Patrick. I I I've thought about this, is it's to do with the quality of the justice in the courtroom,   and therefore, the quality and caliber of these people   that go around calling themselves judges. I mean, we've got so much evidence, you know, in you can forget even capital punishment. Just the normal proceedings of courts these days, certainly over here, and many of the judgments that they come up with, you know, from a common sense point of view, You know, if you were to take it purely as being a space where,   the law is supposed to be enacted rightfully, it doesn't happen.  

And, you know, if you contrast it with at least our perception of the past, it's it comes across as very poor, but it also comes across as being part of an agenda.   So under current circumstances,   the idea of letting these maniacs who are destroying the country anyway   also put their placement in as judges   and have that power too is a worry. It it really is a worry because we're sort of, you know, undergoing a Bolshevization   of our culture, to put it not too mildly. Very gradually, they're just slowly,   you know, squeezing everybody out of any sense of,   I suppose, liberty. I mean, in the normal sense of it, just, you know, freedom of expression, all these other things, which I know we touch upon irregularly. So the idea of letting them loose,   with things like that, and also the ability to frame people these days,   is a way more considerable than it used to be because of, you know, the framing using electronic media and all this kind of other stuff.  

So I think it's,   technically, it's it it is a challenge. But, fundamentally, I think certain crimes   are fitting for it.   You know, and,   if you pick them out,   then you can be judged like, oh, you're picking on that group of people, you know, you or or this. I mean, I'm thinking of the, the stabbing of those three girls, you know.  

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So would you like to excuse me. Cut cutting in. But would you like to hear the outcome of the poll that was run on Yes. Yes. We would all like to hear the outcome of the poll. Telegram? Yes. Well,   I'll build up to it. We got, for treason only,   21 percent said yes.   For   terrorism, 14%   said yes.   For kiddie fiddlers,   fourteen percent said yes. For cold blooded murderers,   7%.   And the total was,   28%   are totally in favour of capital murder punishment,   and 50%   are totally against capital punishment.   So that's quite interesting. So it's 28%   for, 50% against.  

So where'd it go?  

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I know. Well, I was watching,   Paul. What did you you go on. I'll let Paul have a stay. You because you were asked the question by Eric too. What's your take on it? Well, I think with respect to capital punishment for treasonous  

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politicians,   I believe it's a capital idea.   But,   I don't think it's ever gonna happen because all of the prisons are securitized.   All of the incarcerations   are securitized.   And quite honestly,   people are worth more alive than dead. So they will lock them up and continue to hit their trust and pad their pockets.   We gotta get rid of the corruption at the higher levels before we can start talking about things   such things.  

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Yeah. I think you're probably right. I was I mean, I was watching,   I don't I think I might I don't know when I last mentioned this because three weeks is a long time in the isn't it? But,   I've been watching that Wolf Hall series. Did I mention that in some talent of the other sir   the last or maybe I did. Did you? Of course, you look at the punishments, they were quite happy to dish out then.   And, it's you know, for us, it's beyond the pale. I mean, the burning at the stake is a bit   rough.   I don't have to do it any other way.   It's it's very rough indeed. No matter what they've done, I thought they could have been a you know? But then they were chopping their heads off a lot. There's a lot of head chopping scenes. Well, not a lot, but there's a couple, isn't there?  

With the wives of Henry the eighth, that's that's what that's all about. So,   but I must find that document. Well, I'd like to. I think must is probably a bit too strong. I've got a feeling it's gone into the ethers, but I'd I'd like to find it because there's very good arguments in it. But many of them that were burnt at the stake, for instance, Joan of Arc, they reckon she didn't burn to death. What happened is the smoke, she picked she was actually inside this street sort of because I put faggots.  

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Now faggots are pieces of,   pieces of wood that are tied up. Nothing to do with homosexuality   or anything like that. And they put that around the bottom, and they were in the ship was overcome by all the smoke.   And she actually sort of, like,   choked on her own,   mucus. That's what happens when you ever come by smoke.   So she didn't really burn. But, yeah, they were quite gory in those days, but,   people say, oh, you know, they they they bring it back. But Britain,   introduced the long drop system with hanging.   And it was that chap what was his name now? The, the famous not the last hangman, but the very famous hangman.  

Starts with p, I think his name was.   And,   anybody in Chat Pierpoint. Pierpoint. Thanks. Thanks,   Paul. And   he, in the end, was totally against hanging. He said it doesn't act as a deterrent   at all. The person's gonna kill, they'll kill regardless of it because they don't think they're gonna get caught.   But   I look at it from a look at the treason point of view because,   Tony Blair   quietly altered the, Treason and Sedition Act in 1997 when he came into power.   And he changed it from death by hanging   to life imprisonment, and it was done very quietly.   But it's null and void. It still stays.  



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So Well, it is null and void. He doesn't he didn't have the power to to Right. Make that decision. I think the other thing is, well, if you look at sort of the way that biblical justice was handed out, and I know we're going back a few thousand years,   but,   I think I probably mentioned it here. If you just look at theft,   I I do like the way that they redress   the harm caused by theft. So if you stole someone's cow, you owed them, I think it's four or six cows.   Yeah. And if you couldn't pay it off, you would be enslaved, which is a very heavy word. We we imagine whooping and everything. But I think it means being completely constrained,   and you would be put to use and you until you'd worked off to the victim of your theft, the value of six cows.  

And I I find that   I think that is justice because I I sense   that the individual in this mythical cow stealing situation,   given that they paid off, could then walk back down the street again, and everybody would know that he'd paid or she, if she was a female Kathy, had paid back, you know, their debt to the village, the town, society as a whole.   And therefore, they're actually they've paid it off and they're free again to hopefully not steal any more cows and probably there has to be some kind of a sting in it.   You would think but I I I do think that the idea of capital punishment, as you said, as a deterrent is not effect because I don't think No. Most murders happen. People go, oh, no. I could not murder this person because I might get hung. They're in a blaze of whatever   often. This is my take on it. I mean, unless it's fully if it's malice of forethought,   and that can be clearly proven, then I do think capital punishment is justified.  



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But how do you   do it though? Because they don't look on it as a punishment. That's the thing. It's a bit like,   well, imagine there's a crocodile. Now crocodiles, they're designed to kill things. They they eat. Now you   that is the way out, but they're all different types of murderers. I mean, there are psychopaths.   Not every psychopath is a murderer,   but they have got no empathy whatsoever.   So they'll encourage other people to go and kill and things like that. I actually think that putting these people on islands away from us would be a far better idea. Cost the taxpayer   pennies, virtually nothing, and they will stay there for the rest of their lives. They'll have to grow their own food. They have to provide for themselves. If they don't starve to death, it's as simple as that.  

And also what you're saying about paying back the victim, yes, they'll go if they can't pay off in normal course events,   then they'll go to a work camp on an island, and they'll have to slave their guts out   to pay off that debt. So they'll be doing something productive.   So,   yeah, I think that that would probably work. But I personally am against the death sentence,   because   you've got to get someone that's a bit psychopathic to do carry out the job.   Because we are conditioned not to kill. Because we've got a hip fully working,   frontal lobe in our brains,   whereas psychopaths haven't   haven't got a fully functioning   frontal lobe.  

So that's it.  

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Sorry. So do they often say, it's not me. It was me lobes,   your honor.   Bloody lobes, mate. Yes. I've got bad lobes. If you had lobes like mine, you know Yeah. You'd have been killing people too. So tell us a little bit more about Henry Pierpoint who I because  

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I I was looking it up when you mentioned that you had an executioner that was a hangman   because I'd I'd read a book by,   a fellow by the name of James Billington.   It was called Fire in the Minds of Men, and he was our librarian of congress back until Obama,   from, like, Carter to Obama.   And   there was another character named James Billington when I had looked him up, who was also a hangman in England.   He he,   and I looked up his Wikipedia just here, and he said it said he worked frequently with Henry Pierpoint   in his career.  

Billington carried out a total of 26 hangings as an assistant and 16 as a chief executioner.   He worked as a hairdresser when not performing executioners   or executions.  

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Peer peer point, though. He he he actually,   did it very quickly   because they had in the condemned,   cell, they had a forced wall that they moved back,   at the time of the execution,   and he actually got the person from the cell   and hung within seconds. I think it's fifteen seconds was his quickest.   He just got on with it. He didn't mess about. He just went straight out. And also, he didn't want to know what crime the person had committed because he's he treated everyone with respect.   That was another thing with Pierpont, but he devised the long drop system.   Whereas once upon a time, people will be hung and they'll be slowly strangulate strangling. Sometimes it took about twenty minutes from to go, and they they actually paid people to pull their legs down. Whereas with Pierpoint, it was the long drop system, and it had to be calculated   perfectly.  

And he stretched the rope   beforehand.   He had to know the weights and the height of the person,   and it was virtually ins it was oh, well, it was. It's instant. Bang. That's it. They just break the neck, and that's it. Yeah.   And he was the one that that actually,   killed a lot of people with the new after Nuremberg trials.   And he's very angry because there's a lot of hangmen there that made the right balls of it. And,   the people did not die cleanly. They died in agony. Whereas with PowerPoint, all his ones were done very quickly and efficiently  

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and bang. You know? So He must have been a long time hangman then because I'm reading about Billington.   Billington died in '8 in nineteen o five   and received a commission to hang Thomas Tattersall in Leeds. While preparing the scaffold, he fell through the trapdoor and cracked his ribs. He died two months later due to the injuries.  

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No. It's that is a different point. No. It was Pierpoint's father because Paul familiar at that. He's Oh, wow. Father to son. So this Pierpoint died in the nineteen   seventies, I think, or sixties. Hang on. I'll just tap it just look him up. Here. Yeah. It's relatively recently. Yeah. The death of the junior. It is.  

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Yes. It is. The one after Is the motto of that tale then, Patrick? Don't go to Leeds.   Yeah. My hometown. Would be. Don't go to Leeds. You're gonna break your ribs. Yeah. You you fall through the trip. Here he is. Hang he was he died in 1992,  

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aged 87.   He was born in nineteen o five, so it must have been his grandfather,   maybe. Yeah. Albert Pierpoint was his name.  

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And   Henry Albert Pierpoint.   Try it. The one I'm looking at. Eighteen seventy seven to 1922.  

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No. It's Albert Pierpoint Right. In nineteen o five to 1992.   So,   well, he was born in nineteen o five.   And it says here, his father, Henry, and uncle Thomas were official hangman before him.   Oh, okay. It was Harry Henry,   and,   he was a Yorkshireman.   So,   and what else was it now?  

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Who Pimpin was? Yes. Nothing. Yes. Hey. Watch out for me.  

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Nothing quite like keeping it in the family, you know, is there? No. It's right here. Pub as well. So So in between, you know, you run a pub. I wonder what the pub was called, the hangman's noose.  

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Well, yeah, I'm working with a hairdresser  

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in the spare time. So You could go get the hangman's noose.  

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I'll never insult hairdressers ever again. Yeah.   Not not that I ever have. Yeah. He would have been I suppose Pierpoint would have been quite good, what with his calculations about weight and drops and everything, if he went into the bungee jumping business, wouldn't he? Maybe their family's moved on, and they're doing that. It's okay. And, you know, they could work out the weight and the drop and all the elasticity or whatever.   Never appealed to me, that jumping off a bridge thing. I,   it seems to be exhilarating,   but I'm too much of an old fart now to really want to be bothered with all that kind of nonsense.  

But, what do you think? Do you think it's the manner of of the execution that were that concerns this? I mean  

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Definitely, the manner   of the execution. Yeah. Because if it's hanging, you know, it was the the executioner   that did it. If it's lethal injection,   it's   the person that pushed the button that did it.   The best way to do a capital punishment, in my estimation, would be a firing squad, and you put   blanks in all of the rifles, say   say,   save for one.   So all of them pull the trigger. All of them take aim. None of them know which bullet did it.  

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None of them know which Actually, no. They they do. And and the witnesses a blank, that's a different kick.   See, if you put blanks in a gun, my father told me this. He said, you would know. He said, when they fire blanks between a live and a blank, you know, it's got a different kick to it. So people put the x the actual line   there was people that lined up to do the execution.   The person would know if he fired a a a a a a real or a blank.   Sorry to disagree like that, but   I'm going on what my father told me and, because he was in the war. He, you know, went through he was in the army during the war. I guess it works in theory.   Yes. Yes. I I I hope   I do apologize. I hope you don't think I was rude, but I had to come in there because my dad always said that. He said, he was never   well, I I I the, execution by a fire squad was done away within 1930   in the British Army, so he never lined up. But my dad said it would have been terrible if it was in the first World War because they picked chaps from the same unit   to become part of the firing squad, and they were nervous.  

And nine times out of 10, they would aim to miss.   And when they missed, they might wound the chap's shoulder or wherever,   and it was the officer's job to finish the   condemned off.   It was a really because it meant   it could have been their friend. It was their mate. And they're gonna shoot their friend, and they'll be shaking like a leaf. The emotions are really heavy. And you think what it was like for the officer who knew the chap. He had to put a bullet through his head if the if the firing squad missed. Yeah. I mean, if guys, if if any of you had been exceedingly naughty and found guilty of what we would say was a capital crime if it still existed, and you had a choice,  

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let's get gruesome,   about how you're to depart this realm,   What methodology would you choose?   Firing squad?   I know that Goring wanted firing squad. He was furious about the fact that they were gonna hang him,   because,   in the military, it's an officer's death, his firing squad. So they expected that.   So when they were told that they were gonna be hung, this is at the Nuremberg trials, they were not chuffed about this. Of course, Goring, as we mentioned a few months ago when we were covering   that,   Goring managed to get hold of a cyanide thing, which I wouldn't choose at all, I have to say. It's not my   preferred way. It's not my it's not the top of my it's not my will   or anything like that. Actually, I haven't got a will. But, you know, what would you I mean, I would personally do probably choose hanging, to be quite honest. How about that?  



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I would actually ask the,   before they with the firing squad, I'd ask the chat with shouts at Tay Kane.   Ask them to pause   for about forty years before someone fired.   Yes.  

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Yes. That might be called a lengthy appeal process. Is that what that is? Yeah. Or standing behind the wall, not in front of it. That's another Can we think about this for a bit? Yes. How long did you have in mind? About forty years?  

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I would think Yeah. I would think you just give them the option. Okay. Well, we can dispatch you immediately, or you can,   sign up for a lifetime of servitude   for the people that you harmed that you injured.   You know? It's it's life of service or no life at all, and let them decide.  

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Yeah. Well, I think the French Revolution kinda set the precedent for   modern executions where they just   lined everybody up and chop their heads off one by one in public.   I don't think I don't think there's been anything quite like that, though, since that time.   I mean, there has been. You know, you're talking about the Nuremberg trials and all that kind of stuff, but   not to the extent that they were doing it during that French revolution period.  

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I wanted I wanted to make XO in the chat would prefer guillotine   or as he puts it, the head choppy French method.   Oh, yes. I love a bit of the old head choppy French method. Of course, that guillotine was flying around a couple of hundred years ago. 28,000   they guillotined. 28,000,   something like that.   That's quite rough, isn't it? They were very cross, you see.   It's obviously to do with the emotional volatility of the people of the day.   Is is our squeamishness about it indicative of the fact that we're complete wimps in comparison to people of the past?   Or do they we're more refined, and we therefore consider ourselves more cultured and more enlightened, and we we shouldn't be doing that sort of thing.  



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Oh, nope. You wanna hear Yeah? You wanna hear just a little bit from Deuteronomy?   It was chapter,   17.   There you go. Sure. Fire away. Let's do it. By the mouth of by the mouth of two or three witnesses shall he die that is to be slain.   Let no man be put to death when only one bears witness against him.   The hands of the witnesses   shall be the first upon him to kill him, and afterwards the hands of the rest of the people, that thou mayest take away the evil out of the midst of thee.   So   that's   Deuteronomy,   and it should be done by a, judge and in line with the Levitical priesthood according to Deuteronomy.   So   a judge in consultation with the priests.  



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Requires a bit of clarity, doesn't it? It's not a sort of topic we think about too much. I mean, I must admit, I enjoyed listening to the Shah, but I'm still slightly undecided. I think there are definite cases where it's totally deserved. But what As I said, my main concern is a false judgment,   with   a completely incompetent judging crew. But what what   there is something there has to be a way of working out justice. You know? When you were reading that bit there from Deuteronomy, in terms of   is that example of,   Solomon with the claim on the baby,   which is   perfect, really, in terms of how natural justice really would work where there's a baby and two women are claiming that it's theirs, the actual mother and her maidservant.  

And they both make an equally good case why it's their baby. So he says, okay. Well, it sounds as though you it's both your baby. So what we'll do is we'll we'll cut it in half, and you can have half each. At which point, the actual mother leaps forward and says she can have it.   Now I don't know how we translate that into a sort of murder case or whatever because I I don't know, but you can see that there's a natural justice in that. And it works out that the the guilty party would be become apparent. You know?   Of course, she didn't get killed for claiming the baby. She probably just got, you know, sharp rack on the bottom or whatever they did in those days. But,  

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so it's not so lethal as that. Herod was saying about the members of the same platoon would have to be a a condemned person. It would have to be the ones to do it because, obviously, they were the witnesses to the crime   that that person committed. And that seems like it's in line with what Deuteronomy was talking about where the witnesses are the first ones to to   take take action, the the, capital punishment. And then after them, the rest of the people, which would mean, like he was saying, when those people those witnesses decide, oh, we're just gonna strum in the shoulder, then someone else has to come in and carry out the rest of the sentence. But   it it sounds like a a very big burden that I would never want, but, I'm sure there's circumstances   where it's called for.  



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And Here, you just yeah. The idea is to try and avoid the circumstance in the first place, but we know that we've never ever been able to do it. There's a couple of interesting comments just coming on the rumble chat.   Nedwood one writes, gradual hypoxia   in a hyperbaric chamber has been proven, I wonder by who. I'm not doubting you, but it's interesting,   has been proven to be the best method. You become euphoric   and die knowing nothing. Well, you could say that most of us have lived knowing nothing   or not much. But yeah. Okay.   Okay. That's moved to the top. Maybe that's better than hanging, I suppose. Yeah. It is. And Shelley writes, hi, Shelley.  

My pen pal I never knew this. This is interesting and quite grim. My pen pal served twenty eight years on death row and was innocent.   He was released and died eighteen months later.   Tragic. Yeah. Very sad.   I mean, there's this thing about becoming institutionalized in these prison establishments as well, isn't there? So and another there was the argument, and I guess it still holds, that the cost of keeping these prisoners   for forty years is huge. And you could say, well, look. If it's if it's £80,000   a year to keep them for forty years, that's £3,000,000.  

And couldn't that £3,000,000 be better spent, you know, supporting   poor children or whatever? But maybe that's, kind of overcomplicating the thing. I'm I'm passionately against  

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death sentence because   of what Shelley has just said and many other reasons.   Now if that man was taken to an island   where this is what they do in Norway. They've got an island where they live in a little hut,   where they grow their own food,   and a prison officer sometimes comes along and has a coffee. Now it sounds not a punishment,   but it is in a sense because they can't get off that island.   If he was found to be innocent, then he would be taken off the island, and he's not mentally   scarred   in any way.   Because when you look at these different degrees of murder, or if a person is a mass murderer and enjoys it, there is something mentally wrong with them. So they're deterred they're detained in a mental   institution   because they're mental. That's it.  

And yes, that would cost money to keep them alive, because a lot of them are incurable, like psychopaths are incurable.   But in situations like that, I think the island idea   is by far the cheapest   and best method. Absolutely.  

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Now But we'd be quite fortunate, wouldn't we, in this regard here because there's about 3,000 little islands around That's right. This main one.   Yeah. Yeah. Is there a way for islands? Because the whole thing costs.  

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The whole thing, what it costs doesn't hold water because,   anybody who's incarcerated, their incarceration   is securitized.   They actually create bonds because of that. It funds the financial system, the global financial system.   And the prisons, at least in America,   they are privatized.   They're private for profit corporations, and they make plenty of money. It doesn't cost the government anything to lock somebody up for life. It doesn't, and it hasn't for some time.   So putting them on an island and forgetting they exist,   that's my vote.  

I'm just saying.  

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Yeah. Just to be a point.  

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So we've sold it, have we? Society.  

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Well, Peer Pierpoint actually hung,   John Amory.   And he said that he was the bravest man he's ever hung.   He said he was exceptionally brave. Right to the end. He was brave.   John Amory,   he went over to   Germany   and   he went round the prison camps, POW camps,   and trying to get,   British pit blokes to fight for Germany.   And he did some very famous magazines and things like that.   And,   he was,   tried   after the war for treason.  

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And, I'm I know I know that Dennis Wise thinks very highly of Amory.   Yes. An exceptionally brave man. Yeah. In fact, if you've seen any of Dennis's sort of entries on Skype or whatever, there's a face,  

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and it's Amory that he's used for years. And William Joyce as well. He was hung. Now William Joyce was Irish, so he should not have actually been hung.   He was confirmed guilty for treason, but he was Irish, and Ireland was neutral.   So that was a misjustice.  

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But But probably an intentional one, Eric, simply because of the knowledge that Joyce held. Joyce was a massively informed person, wasn't he? Yeah. With regards to the real forces, the the real sort of wellspring behind,   the forces that brought the war into being in the first place. So they would they would want to get rid of him. He would have been a very it would have been a great irritant if he was allowed to shoot his mouth off, you know, from their point of view. Would you relate to this James?  

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James Joyce?  

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No.  

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Well, the thing is is is that with John Emery,   you see when you look at law, injury, loss, or harm. Did he kill anybody?   Did he did he did he cause cause loss or harm to anybody?   It could be argued that,   persuading   people to and they had free choice to join the German army.   That could be argued, yes, that is treason.   But,   you   know, I I I   again,   I'm sorry. I I I am totally   against it. I mean, John, Hamer once said, he he he almost made me waiver. He said, you look if they locked up people like, you know, the nasty people are committing treason at the moment. He said, they'll be out in five years or ten years, and they'll start a game. What they   they carry on where they where they finished off.  

Maybe, but,   again, I think they would   put them on an island for the rest of their life,   and their families can visit them, or their families can stay with them if they want to.   But they can't   leave that island, I think, would be the most fairest thing to do. I   I really do believe that.   And again, if they're innocent,   they come off the island and they're not mentally,   scarred by the experience or not so much. Admittedly, they'd be amongst murderers and that. But I mean,   I I think that there's also been a lot of murderers that have been   rehabilitated.  

Look at Jimmy Boyle. Now, Jimmy Boyle was,   he killed somebody. He's,   a gangland leader   in Glasgow.   And whilst in prison, he married   his psychiatrist   who saw something in him. And when he left prison, he'd done about fifteen years for murder, he actually worked in the area where he came from to prevent   boys   going the same way as he did.   And he did a lot of work to stop,   gangland killings and things like that. So,   you know, probably that's a little bit of wet liberal coming out in me, but I I do   nobody   can act as God. That's it. I mean, nobody can act as God. I don't believe you should. You should not kill anybody. Thou shall not kill. Full stop, end of. You don't kill. That's it. So, that's my piece for tonight.  

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Well, I think I mean, it's I think there's loads to chew over on it. I'm I'm I'll try and do some more sort of work on it. I'm not sort of convinced either way, I suppose. I just think there are certain circumstances where it is justified.   I mean, what's the purpose of it? Is it to send out a message to everybody else? Don't go around killing people. Maybe in part, but you could say that it's failed because   there'd be murderers   up and down the line. And like we say, most people commit murder, I would imagine. I mean, I don't know the stats.   They commit it in hot blood. They go crazy over something, and it's supposed to really be manslaughter. They get carried away or whatever. The the premeditated   stuff is a different kettle of fish. And I guess that this then comes down to the very costly court case, because it it is now, isn't it, to actually establish whether there really was malice of forethought. And therefore, it does make a difference. If someone it makes a difference, I think. If someone's   literally, you know,   meticulously   plotted to kill somebody else and succeeded in killing them,   and you can prove this without a shadow of a doubt, and that's a big if, I guess, at times,   then I think,   the termination of their life is justified,   because it's just you know, now I'm sounding brutal, but it's just one life. There are billions of us. And you say, you know, so is it for us? It's definitely for us, the ones that are left. We go, we don't want that on our conscience that we that this guy or this gal was killed. I mean, I'm I'm not saying it's pleasant. It's not as if I even approve of it, but I'm trying to look at what the dynamic is behind it.  

And,   you know, maybe in the past, they were it was easier to do that because day to day living was a much more,   intense thing. You know, if someone stole food, they could be killed for it because   you might die because they did that, and people would.   You know? So it it's what the repercussions are.   We don't want we don't want to live with murderers or people that we think might have a propensity to just murder you. And I guess maybe we've all walked past one at some point in our life.   And, they didn't murder us at that time, which was great. You know? But,   I think there's quite a bit of thinking about it. I think there's a reason why the biblical laws were the way that they were, and it wasn't out of foolishness.  

So I I'm not,   you know, I'm not fully decided either way yet. I can see it on both sides, which means I'm a dithering liberal idiot right now in the conversation. Sorry about that, everybody. But there we go. No. It's okay. It just reminds me of something I had heard from,  

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of all people, Milo   Milo Yiannopoulos   was talking about Saint Louis, King Saint Louis,   and how they would condemn somebody to death   and he wouldn't execute them until they repented and confessed their crime and then he would execute them. Execute   them.   So that way they could go his   his, conscience   in executing somebody could be, you know, alleviated that that person's a holy   person who repented of what they did.   But it still leaves a lot of questions. It's like, well, then you're, you know, what you're almost rewarding the person you don't execute that's unrepentant   at that point too. So it's like it's a tough thing to think about, really, because there are instances where a person   may deserve death for what they're doing or what they've   done and for what they show that they'll do in the future because   it's,   like in a war, for instance, you get somebody taking a sniper, taking aim at one of your comp your your compatriots,   and they're in the process of doing that, what do you do? It's a   it it it in and of itself is an immediate judgment that you make on that person,   whether it's in a court or not. Now that's another story. But   it definitely isn't the cut and dry issue,   this this idea   of of capital punishment.  



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No. It's not. I don't feel at all crystal clear about it. That's I agree with you. It's not cut and dried.   I mean, there's a you know, the thing about another just just a statistical report somewhere   with regards to infantrymen   across all sides.   It was done after World War two, but it could have been done they've they've probably done more since then.   And one of the question was, when you were in combat, did you shoot at the enemy to kill them? And they were shocked to find out that the vast majority of infantrymen   did not. They did not do that. They shot to wound them in the leg so they couldn't get nearer to them. Stay away. Don't come over here with your gun. I'm gonna try and stop you moving. I don't wanna kill you,   which is very interesting. And it may explain why there's been a reduction in the idea of, you know, massed forces. But I think also that goes all large armies, that goes hand in hand with the advances in technology. So and psychological warfare, which, of course, is,   really what we're enduring right now all the time, of course. You know, they've they've applied it full time certainly during the last century to civilian populations.  

But, yeah, that kinda freaked him out a bit. Oh, no. Didn't wanna do I think we've touched on this before. We don't have to sort of go back into this one. But,  

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my father's that was my father's sentiment.   He did not   he was in front of an intelligence,   and they kind of they had one of the highest casualty rates on a lot.   And,   they that most of them he said this quietly.   And and he said, I I I he told me never to tell anybody, but I think it's time now I can sort of reveal this because a lot of water's gone to the bridge. And he said most of his lot they they they shot to,   injure Banach Hill.   They did they could they they were aimed at the legs or above or something like that,   because   what isn't told is that there was a lot of,   compassion for the wounded   of either side.  

And either side often risked their own lives to save the life of a do the wounded enemy. And the Germans did it a lot, and the British did it   a lot. So that's not told in the history books, but my father witnessed this several times.   And   it was,   you know, as a conscript, which he was,   and even the regulars,   they didn't like killing. And in the First World War, the officers used to run along the lines telling them to   brought their rifles down to actually kill.   It was even because in the First World War, it was even worse. It was more face to face, where in the Second World War, it was more distant.   But,   so I've I've let out a little secret there, which, have been kept secret a long time. So I thought about mention it, because I think it's it's time now to I think we can talk about these things now. Whereas, say, twenty years ago,   you know, there was still,   a lot of the second World War generation   around.  

So, that's it.  

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Well, it's a good ongoing topic.   I'm gonna try and dig up a few more things. I need some   guidance personally, my own head to really because I think there's a lot of aspects we've not even touched upon. I know there is. I could just sort of feel them out there, but I haven't had a time to wrap my brain around it. But there's lots of aspects to it. I mean, one thing that just cropped up then, if you think about kings   or rulers or emperors wanting to extend their power or create that impression,   the executing of people does just that. Oh, it's the emperor that's gonna have you killed or the king will. I mean, certainly, watching Wolf Hall,   you know, which is about Henry the eighth,   the idea   the idea that you can get so cross that you wanted to have you were quite happy to have your wife's head cut chopped off   is a bit much, frankly, isn't it? Why couldn't why couldn't he have just sent Anne Boleyn somewhere else? It's not as if they were short of a bob or two. So I have her put in an island.  

But, there are so many other pressures and forces at play in that time of history. I'm not excusing it.   I'm sure if you had Henry here and he could answer for it, he might give you a jolly good, you know, k. It might make a very good case for why it had to happen. But I guess from a distance, where where it's always so much easier to judge people in the past when you're not there, just as we will be.  

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Oh, that's right. But also, when they cut your head off, they've proven that you're you're still conscious   for about thirty up to thirty seconds. And I know that I think it was who who, who did,   Cromwell behead now? Was it William King   one of the kings? Charles the first. Charles the first. Sorry. I got that wrong. And apparently, somebody said something rude in the audience, and Charles the first are answered him because they pick their head up, don't they? And they sort of hold it and show it to the audience.   And,   he answered.  

So he is still conscious   for up to thirty seconds after. I don't know about that.  

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It's true.   So so   so this really was a talking head. I think it must be difficult. There's no wind in the lungs to pass through the larynx. You know? So I'm sorry to get all sort of precise about it, but I like it as a tale.   And another thing, I wish I'd not chop my head. Oh.  

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Shit. Yeah.   But I let's face it. Today, they'd do it with a circular saw, wouldn't they? They could actually do 20 at a time, you   know, on a conveyor belt. So that that'd be   more efficient, wouldn't it?  

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If anybody's seen Wolf Hall,   and I've half seen it, and I won't be I don't know if I'd mentioned this. I can't remember where we were in sort of little threads that you can't pull back when you're going out weekly. But,   the execution of Anne Boleyn   is in there in quite graphic detail, although you don't see the head come flying off.   But I'm assuming it's historically accurate. They brought in a French executioner   who used a very long sword. The sword looks about three feet long. It's huge. Very long bladed sword.   And he takes his shoes off   when they're on the gallows   so that she can't hear him. She's blindfolded.  

She's   she's not got her head on a block. It doesn't come down vertically. The blade's gonna come across   her neck. This is all gruesome, isn't it?   But it happened, you know,   horizontally. It's gonna be swung from left to right.   And what he does is he moves to one side of her and intentionally makes a noise even though he's in his socks. He hasn't got any boots on. She didn't know where he is.   He makes a tap on one side. She turns her head to that side, and he comes at the other side and just texts it, clean off. Brilliant job, really. Extently.   Earned his money that day, you know.  

So all of that kind of stuff. And I know that there's another thing. I think it's during that period. I can't remember who it is.   There was a woman of in her seventies that they beheaded,   royalty or ex royalty or a duchess or something like that. I'm I'm a bit   vague. It took ages for them to chop her head off because she started running around the gallows to afford   to avoid it. I'm laughing, but I shouldn't. I'm sure for her, it was absolutely dreadful sort of experience.   Of course, the crowd all turned up, you know, they get whelks or whatever they were eating, and it's sort of like football match of the day, I guess, to to some degree. So,   engendering the bloodlust of the crowd is never a particularly edifying sight, is it? But it's still there. I assume it's still kinda there to some degree. But,   yeah, yeah, that's how they used to handle it back the back then.  

And and just as my comments on Will Fall, because I wanna move into this topic a little bit later, maybe after the break, possibly. I've got a couple of things I wanted to mention.   I would recommend   series one, but I'm incapable of recommending series two.   Series one appears to me to be historically completely on the nail from what little I do know. I mean, I know I know a bit,   and,   it's quite brilliant. I think I played that clip, didn't I, the other week of,   Thomas Cromwell confronting   that guy and telling that they would destroy his life   by money. That him and his friends in Europe could utterly destroy him by calling in every day he'd got.  

And he he wouldn't have a life left. And I found that that's why I played the clip when I had it because I I think it's extremely important to know that that dynamics are placed.   But the   the first series is excellent.   When we get to the second series, which I think is relatively new, I think it came out last year,   I could only watch about   third twenty minutes of the first episode   because   suddenly in the court, there are lots of Africans.   I'm not even a go at Africans.   It's actually the producers.   Maids in waiting were African.   There were guards walking around the palace who were Africans   or Caribbean people or whatever. They weren't English.  

And,   I am   going to,   when I get a little bit of time, hopefully soon, maybe with a fountain pen, Eric, if I can get one or a quill possibly in a large vat of ink.   I want to write to the producers and ask them in a very diplomatic way,   what what is the truth? Is it true that suddenly   halfway through his reign, there was a lot of Africans or people of African descent employed in the king's employ all around his palaces doing all this work.   Because   and I'm being facetious even here to myself. You know where I'm coming from. This undermining of our culture at every point is   it's sick.  

I know what they're doing,   but when you look at it from all the people working on something like that, from their point of view, it's an insult to every single person.   All of the actors, irrespective of whatever racial background they come from, it's a madness. They're actually performing in a thing that's now become so historically stupid to look at and   inconsistent with the truth. What's the point of fine acting performances if you can't get the basics right?   So so it's an insult to all the actors and everybody that worked on it. And it's a waste of the BBC TV license payers money, mine,   and everything. So,   you know, why was it chosen? I think we know why it was chosen.  

It's to suggest, you know, that, we're all gonna come together and be one happy family, and therefore, your history is up for grabs, and we can muller it as much as we want,   so that it becomes completely stupid as you try and watch it. That's exactly what was going on.   I think it may have had a different producer for the second series. And no doubt, probably, if I got if I sent the letter off, I'd get it verbally in the ear from the lot of them. You,   whatever. But, I mean, the fact is, it's not even a value judgment. It's simply stupid to do such a thing.   It's just stupid. You know? It's a it's a lot of other things as well besides. But, so unfortunately, I can't watch the rest of it, which is a pity because I find Mark Rylance   in the role of Thomas Cromwell absolutely he's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant in this role.  

And I really want to know, it turns out, but I can't watch it. So I'm gonna have to buy and read the books.  

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It's as simple as that. They should have made it radio play.  

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Well, they should have. That would have been better. And I think if Hilary Mantel, the authoress or author,   who died a few years ago was still alive, I'm sure she would have had veto on that to say, no. You can't do that. It's completely historically inaccurate.   So, you know, the the sort of multi cult y,   liberal left wing purple haired,   you know,   idiots that are in the certain BBC departments got their way   and basically destroyed something that I thought the first series was like   how the BBC used to do things when we have this perception that they were good. And and it was good. Right? It was really quite brilliant, actually, I thought.   Or I was captivated by it. Maybe I'm just showing, you know, my age and all this, that, and the other. But,   it seemed to be tremendous. And the the novels themselves won a lot of prizes because she is   supposedly   very precise, historically very accurate.  

And so I was kind of disappointed that I had to stop watching it because I I can't watch it. I'm just going, no. I'll try and get through it. I can't. It's just it's silly. I ended up laughing at it and just go, this is daft.  

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You know? So It's like shopping.   You see,   if you're going to go into a shop,   I won't mention any names,   where you want to buy, say, a pair of trousers or if you're American pants or   shirt or anything like that,   they've got lots of pictures of,   non European   models.   But I want to buy   clothing for a European.   So I've had to not buy my clothing in those shops anymore because they don't obviously sell clothing for Europeans. I was gonna ask the manager whether it you know, is there a shop where I could buy to speak for a European? Because we've all got different body shapes and sizes.   So I'm not being racial or anything like that. We we have got different body shapes. So,   you know, I'm not gonna buy something that was suitable for, say, another race, a person,   because,   I'm not that race.  

Full stop. End of.  

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Well, we're gonna come back to that. We're just coming over your wallet. We're yeah. Yeah. We're just coming up to the sort of top of the hour, and it's good to get back. I feel as I'm slowly getting my feet back to the microphone table or whatever, which has been good. And it was good to carry on the topic that you were talking about on Sunday as well. So thanks for that, Eric. That was great. That's right. We're gonna do we're gonna do a little break with a song,   which you all know, but you've never heard it played like this before. Well, maybe some of you have. I don't know. We're gonna do a song and, a couple of things, then we'll be back in about three minutes or so. Here we go.  

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Ever since I was a young boy, I played the silver ball from so out to right.   I must have played them all, but I ain't seen nothing like him in any amusement hall that the fundamental   How do you think he does it? No. No. What makes him so good?  

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We don't care. He ain't got no distractions.  

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Got him a bills and bells. Don't see your lights are flashing.   He plays my sense of smell.  

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Three four radios.  

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Thank you indeed. Welcome back to, hour number two,   Paul English live here on WBN every Thursday back at the usual time and all that. Now, gentlemen, any guesses as to who that wonderful band were?  

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I I   I I don't have a clue. The only thing I know of is I stepped into the kitchen to get myself a cold snack and wound up pouring it out in the sink because my computer was, like, coming up forth with, like, some weird kind of Celtic   time warp   from The Who or something as you just  

[01:04:26] Unknown:

Yeah. If Henry the eighth had listened to The Who, that's what it would have sounded like. Right?   Don't you think? That's what that's how I was patching in. See how I segued that. You see, I told quite cunning and everything.   Yeah. I I just stumbled across that the other day. I think the harmonies are absolutely brilliant. It's,   to put everybody out of their misery, I know everybody's just sat there going, who was that? That's so amazing.   No. It wasn't. It's the it's, a band here in The UK called the Ukulele Orchestra. Of course, you wouldn't have been able to guess it because they don't play any ukuleles in that. But they they take all these classic hits, like The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. They do on ukuleles. It's quite brilliant, actually.   And,   so I quite like I'm not a fan of The Who, by the way.  

Not that they're bad or anything, but they've just never been my cup of tea, as we say over here. But, I really like that. So, yeah, there you go. So that's that's how it would have sounded in the fifteen thirties. I don't mean to pick or anything, but I'd be asking who the hell was that and how do I avoid them in future?   Oh, come on, Paul. It's fantastic. I'll send you all the ukulele orchestra's   greatest hits. There's loads of them. There's tons of it. You'll be a fan. You you think yeah. I know. I know. First time on the ears is the biggest concertiest. You.   Yes. We will make you like this. You will love the ukuleles. So yeah.  

Yeah. Because there's a I think they teach a lot of people to pay ukuleles as well and all that kind of stuff. Just heading back to where we, where we were talking anyway just before the break, because a couple of comments came in,   and, from Billy Silver. Hi, Billy. He says, I suspect Henry the eighth became demon possessed when he had that horse fall on him.   No doubt frontal lobe damage would stand too. That's I've got another theory,   but that's possibly got something to do with it. I mean, he did become an extremely,   he did he did have a short temper. I don't know quite how to describe him.  

And, Billy also writes, he says, yes. Wolf Hall woke, soak, blackwash   ruined it for me. Thank you, Billy. He ruined it for me too. He's made it unwatchable.   The trouble is, he writes, schoolchildren will think it's historically accurate. Correct? This is dangerous stuff.   So when we're not around   in, you know, another, I don't know, three years' time, not in another forty or fifty years' time, People run around going, oh, yeah. Now there were loads of African people in England in Henry the eighth and all this kind of stuff. We have this nonsense to keep coming through from people who get all sort of excited about it and do it all the time.   And,   it's   it's irritating. I mean, I know we were talking earlier about capital punishment being bad, but honestly, seriously, I think for me, that deserves it.  

Forget murder. If it's cultural rape,   count me in for a bit of capital punishment because I think it's I think it's highly destructive. I mean, they know what they're doing. It's toxic to the framework of your being   and everything, and it's nasty stuff. I really it's very spiteful, nasty, evil stuff. I don't like it. What about making capital punishment,  

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only for consenting adults?   Sorry.   Well, because you have to be over 18 to be killed. Yeah. I'm Something like that. Yeah. So no. What if? For consenting adults, Andy? Anyway,   it's not very jokey.   But, really,   I actually think the idea was   hanging,   using a bungee cord. So then you can bet how many tires they bounce. And you start biting, biting.   Yes. It's sort of interesting. Modern ideas. You know? I'm only joking, folks. Only joking.  

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Yep. No. Well, I don't know. Maybe we could every week, we could if we go through certain stories at the end, maybe the last ten minutes, we go, do the did they deserve capital punishment? I think it would be fun, and we find out how many people we would have hung by the end of the year. You know, for really petty I find it's petty things that actually drive me berserk. It's little things. People doing little things that, oh, gosh. It's like murder we don't care about. I know you're not right. But if you do a little thing, you know, if you muck about with with our culture, don't like it, get very unhappy. Because it needs to be accurate for everybody, even for people outside of this culture that might want to study it and know it you know, what the truth of it was. So it muddles everything up, but we know we know the cultural Marxist   bullbab and what they're doing. Couple more comments here from one from Tony man Mannanetti. Hi, Tony.  

BBC used to do great things like the original Hitchhiker's Guide, didn't it just? I was listening to some of that actually last week.   The radio show, fantastic. Absolutely wonderful stuff. Really tremendously funny. And that's the late seventies. So we're very long in the tooth here. That's forty five   forty five years ago. Forty forty five. Yeah. Forty forty five years ago. That kind of thing. And Woody Pete writes, hi, Woody. I'm fed up with the race mixing in TV adverts. Really? I'd not noticed. No. That's I'm joking. I'm thinking about boycotting the companies involved, and I'd let them know I'm boycotting them. We can't help who we fall in love with. Actually, we can.   But it's too much. Well, it's all on purpose. You know? It's all on purpose. And I wanted to just move over now to a post. This is a good time to introduce this. Has, anybody here heard of Chris Langan? You heard of him? American chap. Know of him? No.  

Alright. Well, you need to start looking him up because you're gonna be amazed by Chris Langan. He used to be a bouncer in New York for twenty five years. Right?   But he's actually the world's most intelligent man.   He's got an IQ of a 94,   they reckon. Okay? And he's currently working. He lives on a farm somewhere and,   with his wife, and he's been working for about six years in a complete theory of everything.   You should there's there's little bios of him. He's an amazing guy. Anyway, I I subscribed to his Twitter feed.   Chris Langan, l a n g a n.  

And, let me just read you this post. It's a little lengthy, but it it taps into what we've just been touching upon here. And this is all part of the crisis of civilization, certainly of ours anyway, and I'm gonna come over to that because it's a book by Hilaire Belloc and I wanna get over to it during this second hour.   So Lang quotes a comment from someone else first.   And the comment was,   hearing from you that the white population of the world is less than 7% is very concerning.   It means we are all but entirely dispossessed already.   Now I I hadn't had it at 7%, but just to put it in,   sort of reference points as it were, we know that there's been a vast increase or at least we are told there's a vast increase in the population of China,   India, and Indonesia.  

I mean, between those three places, they account for 4,000,000,000   people   of the supposedly seven plus billion people on the planet. Well, good luck to them if they're all getting fed, you know, and all this, that, and the other. But at the turn of the last century, like, early nineteen hundreds, so, like, a hundred and twenty five years ago,   our race accounted for about 32%   of the world's population. So you can see that we've kind of dropped a little bit in terms of the ratio.   So I just wanted to drop that in. Now here's Langan's response. It's in four chunky paragraphs. I'm gonna go through it. He writes, he says, yes, I'm very concerned.   At one time,   I bent over backward to convince myself that we had room for everyone,   but this was predicated on the assumed willingness of western governments to protect their endangered majority populations.  

That's you and I, dear listener.   Sadly, that was nothing but wishful thinking.   After surveying the political landscape and going over the available census data one last time, I was forced to conclude that far from being the basically good hearted, morally responsible,   nonsociopathic,   benign influence   that I'd hoped they were, governments, that is, the venal self dealing circus freaks running this shit show, I think I can say that,   are actively trying to kill us off. Yep.   No kidding. And it's been right there in print for over a century. Well, some of us have been aware of it, Chris, for decades, actually. We've just about reached the point of no return.   In a word, the shitshow ringmasters are evil and not just a little. They're as evil as they come. Hateful, malignant, genocidal scum. It should have been easy for them to stop, to take a deep breath, park their fat asses atop their, of course, we'd say their fat asses, but I'll go with the Americanization   of it. Park their fat asses atop their piles of funny money and lighten up a little just for the sake of holding it all together.  

But they're having none of that, are they? All they ever do is repeatedly double down on their lies and their crimes against humanity, making it worse with every stinking breath.   When you see evil running you, your race, your nation, and your planet into the ground,   and it simply refuses to compromise in any way. You have no choice but to confront reality no matter how harsh and ugly it may have turned out to be. It becomes your moral obligation to oppose it at all costs. Gentlemen, do you think that that would include capital punishment for these people?  

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Yeah. Maybe.  

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Reasonous politicians. Yes.  

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These people are unknowingly killing us.   Yes. Now, you see, once the passions get inflamed, the decision making changes a bit, doesn't it? We all want to be placid. I do too. I want everything to be peaceful and nice.   And you want to be around people that wanna be constructive and peaceful and nice. The problem we've got   is   that not everybody's like that. And these people have as we've talked we talk whether we call them sociopaths, psychopaths, or whatever,   evil's the best word to describe it. I'm not really interested in the quality of their lobes.   I'm interested in the fact that they have to be stopped.  

They have to cease we have to find a way of making their behavior cease and be of null effect, it seems to me,   on our nations. I can't speak for the other nations. They'll have their own problems with their own lunatics in their own backyard.   We pretty much know, broadly,   who they are.   They've got all their messenger boys lined up like Trump and Farage and everybody else. There may be a few honest politicians somewhere in the West, but they're very difficult to find. I mean, isn't it the case that Marie Marie Le Pen has just been framed for something so that she's been locked up and can't actually compete in the upcoming French   election.  

I I think in France,   going back to what Exo was saying, the French hay choppy thing might not be far from their minds. They we know that the French can kick off in a wonderful way, and rightly so. I think they're generally always justified in doing it, although the French Revolution   is a much more complicated process than I suspect we've all been led to believe,   because I covered that a little bit, you know, maybe a year back here on the show when I was going through all that kind of stuff.   But it's just to remind everybody,   we're being genocided.  

Okay? Now we can have a laugh about it along the way, but I really think it's dishonorable to my children and to the possibility of our grandchildren, if we're gonna have any, if we don't find the methodology   in our thinking to deal with it because I think it has to be dealt with. Don't ask me for an answer now. I don't even think the answers are necessarily necessary.   But questioning it and broadening this understanding is definitely a good thing to be doing at this stage. I really think it is. So,   I don't know if you've got any comments, wanna say anything. I know we're going over the same old ground in a way, but I feel as though we have to,   because we have to keep this, I think, in front of us as we look at all these things. I know it's not fun, but, as far as I'm aware, we've never been genocided before. It's the first time for us. It's a new thing, you know.  

So  

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Well, also, how far do you go? I mean, what about the people administering the,   Williams toxic armbreu? I mean,   would I be, on trial for   because the, thing that's only doing what was ordered   no longer holds any water.   So you'd have nurses, doctors   who administered the armbore. Surely, aren't aren't they guilty of committing   a crime?  

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It's not They are. So shouldn't they be put to death?   If we actually look at the amount of people that have died   because of the behaviour of these people,   right, it's a lot.   It's a lot of people.   We don't really look into it. You know? I I looked at the numbers a lot with Andy Hitchcock maybe four or five years ago when it was starting off and doing things, but,   it's a lot. A lot of people have had a lot of misery poured into their lives by these people who have known what the consequences of their behavior would be.   And now they're all gonna be surrounded by an army of lawyers   and dissimulators   and tongue twisters.  

And this is why I think, you see, the capital punishment thing to bring it back in   has to exist in some form.   It has to it's not even just   it's about   is it vengeance?   What justice is treason? About treason?   Is it retribution?   Well, but just treason. Of your own people? I mean, do you think Churchill should have been hung? I do.   Well, that was treason. Yeah. He he he he committed treason, bestow us every country. Destroyed our way of life. He's not the only one, but he's one of the primary destroyers   of Western Christendom.   There's no two ways about it. He's absolutely he's right up there. He's in the top 10. There are others that could join him as well.  

And I know there are people that would, maybe outside of this kinda contained conversation,   disagree with that, but I don't disagree with it. That's why I said it.   I mean, people here haven't plotted to try and wipe out huge numbers of their own people,   have we? I haven't done that. I don't want to do that. It's very, very silly.   We can't keep making excuses for these people to get into positions of power and then   literally kill huge numbers of people.   Tons of them.   I mean, maybe you say, well, look, it's down to what happens when they shuffle off this model coil. They will be judged before the seat of God. I do believe that very much,   because that you know, our striving for justice has to be carried out at a higher level. What's the as above, so below,   but in a more refined and maybe more wise condition. I don't know. But, the fact that Langan's aware of it is good, and you should certainly look him up, everyone. He he writes some cracking posts on Twitter.  

Chris Langan.   The idea that he was a bouncer, seriously, at nightclubs for twenty five years. Big lad. Right? Very much huge guy.   And then it just turns out that he's absolutely off the charts intelligent, which is a wonderful combination.   I think he's absolutely brilliant.   You know, and he's not interested in money or anything. He's interested in working all this,   all this sort of scientific theory of the unfolding of life and all that kind of stuff. And no doubt it will produce some very good things, I think, because he's an honorable man.   But yeah.  

Is this a bit of a conversation stopper? Did I say the wrong thing? I know. It's it's it's just,  

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it is interesting. I mean, if we had it just for treason, you think every   person's ever served in government since 1973   would be,   have be put on trial for treason, be locked up for treason.   Because,   in 1973,   Ted Heath illegally   took the country into what was there in the common market.   Yep. So,   you know, when you think and it always makes me wonder why did Margaret Thatcher she was the only   prime minister sorry, minister,   to be cremated.   All the other prime ministers have got sort of, like, they're buried in in cemeteries. I think Wilson's buried on the Scilly Isles.   I was a silly Billy. And but the thing is,   why was Thatcher   cremated?  

Weird, isn't it? Perhaps she knew that one day people would twig what was gonna happen, and she's worried that they might dig her body up and do something to it like they did with, Cromwell or something like that. I mean, there was talk about digging teeth up and flushing him down the sewers. But what if the sewers ever done? They deserve that. You know? That's the thing.  

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Well, you know, the people were rather cross with Cromwell   because   after he died,   they put him in a big iron they put his corpse in a big iron cage, and it swang there for a couple of years, I think. They just dug him up. They hated his guts. Well, it's And rightly so. I mean, Cromwell was not I'm not I'm not a Cromwell guy. Let's play that one. Well, instead of feeding the birds, you fed the boat vultures, didn't you? You know, you put them in a cage. Go on, boys. There there you go. Go and pack away. You know? So   Yeah. I mean, may maybe the retribution of of capital punishment is a direct reflection of the degree of emotional   fury that the people feel   because life was a more you know, as as it was a simpler time. So no one's on their mobile phones. I mean, that's one of the things that I found striking. I know it sounds a ridiculous observation, but of watching Wolf Hall,   there are no mechanical objects in that world. There's nothing. There's horses and carts, men with swords,   a lot of talking,   lots of ink, lots of writing, lots of very slow   processes,   very carefully and thoughtfully thought out.  

So there's this kind of buildup of tension throughout the whole of the narrative in this particular example of it, and it is a different world because of these   things. We're now in the great distractathon, as I call it. Everybody is distracted by things. We can't even make our mind our minds up,   about certain injustices.   But there's definitely a reason why capital punishment existed. I mean, would it be a a deterrent to the current crew? I don't know.   I mean,   you know, all of them,   including Thatcher, all of them, I believe, have have basically been controlled   in one way or the other. And it's difficult to just purely simplify it, but, certainly, the   the influence of the city   of the money power   is, currently, to my way of thinking, still the greatest influence. This fight between   who are you gonna worship, mammon or god? Are you going for goodness in life, or are you going for material acquisition and power and control   in simple cartoon like terms? I think it it's it's part of it.  

Anyway, I want to read you something else as well   about the same length.   I put under   the picture of today's show with this wonderful football match. There's a chap in it right in the middle, just off to, right of center, who reminded me of GK Chesterton because he looks like a large man. And GK Chesterton, I've mentioned him a few times, and he's definitely worth looking up.   Chesterton,   worked a lot with a guy called Hilaire Bellock, who I've also mentioned. And, there's a local historian down here,   in West Sussex called Christopher Hare. He's been a guest with Richard Vobes a couple of times. And I'm gonna try and make contact with him because he's written a biography about Belloc, and Belloc used to walk all around this place.   And, his favorite pub is a pub called the Franklin Arms, which is still there to this day, up at a place called Washington. Loads of Washingtons   in, in England, Washingtowns, where they did a lot of washing, I guess, of clothes and things.  

Belloc's   definitely worth reading. And one of his books that I read about fifteen years ago, I picked up the other day, and I've sort of cruised through half of it in about a day and a half, really quick. I found it absolutely fascinating, and I came across something in it. What it's to do with   is,   the fall of,   the Catholic church and its   influence.   And,   it's quite brilliant.   It will provide info if you're not familiar with it, it provides information that's highly relevant, I would suggest, to the situation we're in right now. It's it's the same. And I've just come across a little passage that I wanted   to read out. This is about halfway through the book, about a hundred pages in. What's this section called?  

It's called the reformation   and its immediate consequences,   because the reformation,   and this it's probably because I've been watching Wolf Hall, but I've had quite a few books on this anyway,   about,   about how things disintegrated.   And everybody plays a role. There's corruption within the management of Catholic finances at the time.   There's,   the attack from   Luther, Martin Luther. There's all of these things going on. I think the hands of the black nobility of Venice   are very much in all of this stuff. In fact, there's an article in the Jewish Chronicle recently. Somebody put up a,   a link into the Telegram group for this show.  

I haven't actually had a chance to look at it. It's saying that Jewish advisers helped Henry the eighth wriggle out a lot of things. This would not necessarily surprise me because there were a lot of Venetians in his court.   And for Venetians, read Caesarians because the black nobility of Venice was Caesarian.   And that commercial   acquisitiveness   that we are enduring today   was exactly the same sort of principle, a great motive power in Venice at the same time. Anyway,   this is what Belloc wrote. This is just a little bit. He's talking about the sort of downfall of things. He says,   in general, there was a spirit of anti unity abroad,   and it was exasperated   by the dilatory policy   of the authorities in the church.  

There was a perpetual cry for a reform,   for a thorough cleansing of the whole society, for a return to the great virtues which had marked the earlier middle ages,   but nothing sufficient was done until it was too late. This is is right now he's talking about as far as I'm concerned. He said, it is nearly always so in the great catastrophes of mankind.   There is nearly always ample warning. Well, we've got loads of it around us, haven't we? We've got tons of it. There are many and even violent preliminary shocks, like the preliminary shocks of a great earthquake or volcanic eruption.   They incommode   and even frighten   those whose position or privileges are threatened,   but they hardly ever sufficiently incommode or frighten them to spur them into necessary action.  

Hence, also, that religious   reign of terror.   The growing rebellion was met by lawyers' tricks, by the use of force, by continued and often fearful punishments,   but not by that spiritual change, that repentance   which the times demanded.   And he goes on to talk about one example, which is to do with the payment of mortuaries,   which are fees payable upon death   and how they were getting out of hand. And I'm it struck me when I was reading this yesterday. I'd I'd just made a note of it, really, for today. No one at the moment, it seems to me, is capable, really, of doing any financial planning because certainly not in The UK. I'm just, you know, I've I've been speaking to my neighbors as I do. None of them speak like that, of course. I don't know why I even said it that way. But,   all of them are basically saying that it   doesn't matter how much money they bring in. It's as if   it's as if there is,   a monitoring system, and there clearly is, that's ensuring that whatever surplus funds you think you may have,   the bills are going up in every single area to such a degree that no one   is able to actually deal with it.  

And I thought this sentence here where he says that,   the people in power hardly ever sufficiently,   act.   And haven't we got that going? In other words, I was thinking, is the political class of today, certainly in The UK and probably in The US,   they're so,   established in their day to day living.   They're so trained in in the where the people in power, they're they are literally incapable of responding to this problem.   They can't be the solution because they don't even see themselves as the originators of the problem of it. They haven't actually caused it in their own minds. It's our fault. It's always our fault. You'll notice   throughout history. It's a peasant that has to pay for the idiot leaders' decisions. And   I do think we actually are at a crisis of civilization once more. Belloc was talking about it back in the fourteen hundreds   in the run up to the reformation in 1530 or whenever it was under Henry,   that it was a long time coming, that things were falling apart. And I think,   I know we know all this stuff, and I'm kinda going over   ground that we've repeated here many times. But   something is required.  

Something is absolutely required that we're not really looking at because I'm,   so many good shows out there and posts and everything. And maybe like me, you've been looking at these things for years.   But I do sense that, really, what they're doing is just detailing the problem in ever greater detail, and this is not a good use of time. We we know there is a problem.   What we don't know is exactly the sort of actions that we need to take to restore it. Actually, I think we know that too, but we're just not willing to actually get get involved with it. So,   I'm supposed to ask you something now so you can respond, but I don't know why I'm supposed to ask you.  



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Well, I think we just need to work on ourselves and be moral people because that's what's lacking is the morality   in,   in our system   of government and what we consider   our government.   It's it's totally lacking.   Not almost.   I mean, here in America, we have a president who is more known for running casinos and hotels   than   any sort of, like, public public, service type thing   or banking or that, you know, that kind of thing. But   it's a real it's a reflection of a greater societal problem. And   I don't know I don't know what how we get our way you get get out of it. Do we do we start our own   political movement?  

Do you detach from it? Because that that's more, like, around what I feel like doing. If I may.  

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You may. Well  

[01:30:22] Unknown:

We have a president   that is a businessman   that knows how to make a deal and knows how to make money and is concerned about the bottom line.   That is something that has not been   in the executive branch for many, many, many, many, many administrations.   He couldn't do any worse.   All I'm saying. I have no idea about every I mean, I'm   like, like Roger.   I am not on board with his   fighting with Zionism and and how he seems to be so tightly ingrained in them. But he is doing some things that make sense for the country. So I'm still sitting on the fence, and we'll see how it works out.   Cautiously optimistic.  



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That's nice. I wish I was the same.  

[01:31:16] Unknown:

I guess I'm not. Yeah. But you've got Kia Starmer.   I mean, you've got nothing to be optimistic about.  

[01:31:24] Unknown:

Yeah. I guess. But I I mean, I tend to not look at these people as being of any use at all.   Any. They're of no use. I think every moment you spend paying attention to them is a moment wasted, literally. Yeah. I was thinking today, I thought, what is the thing that we're coming that's coming at us? It's called globalism, but it's communism, really. Right? So it's global, but we'll call it globalism because that's nice, and everybody's okay with that. And I was thinking today, I thought, what is the what's the antidote to that? Is it localism?   Is it local? I think it is. I think it's something about localism,   about dealing with people that literally live with you   and seeking to reignite a spirit. I know it sounds all cheesy and cliche. I don't know how else to to sort of phrase it, but it is about reigniting a spirit of local community strength   and,   to get   to get people to stop watching Wolf Hall second series and swallowing it down, Hookline and Stinker.  

And the only way that they're gonna do that is that they've gotta be we have to provide other things. I mean, you know, in part, this tiny little show,   which   I have to do, which, you know, we feel compelled to do these things. And this is a good sign.   I think it really is a good sign. But, I mean, going through Belloc's stuff,   it's, you you you're almost made a Catholic of me, Patrick.  

[01:32:44] Unknown:

What?  

[01:32:46] Unknown:

Not really. No. Not really. But it's interesting the way he describes it because you you see   you see, I was reading Cobbit as well. William Cobbit's written a book called The Reformation.   And, I'm gonna do it as an audiobook. I'm actually looking at doing it in a kind of loose sort of way because I wanna do it. I mean, I'm reading these things, and I was thinking the other day, I thought, why don't I just stick a microphone in front of my mouth and just read it out loud?   You know?   It might be a way of getting the points across. Maybe it's too sort of obscure   for people.  

I'm sort of involved in this stuff for a long time, and I'm I get so excited about things, then I stop and I go,   oh, no. No. They're all watching football. That's why I put the football thing up today. I thought everybody's watching football. I mean, how much more football can we watch? Probably loads more, I suppose, if they get even more organized.   But when he's what what he does is he talks about how it came about.   Does Belloc.   And, the real unification   in the early middle ages is what he has a glowing report of. Now it's not all perfect by any means because we had the peasants revolt over here in 1381.   But that period before a kind of seediness, before   the administrative structure   got out of hand, which it did, it got out of hand. But there was something before that that that structure was very good. One of the things that Cobbet, William Cobbet, one of the greatest Englishmen ever, who's hardly known,   top five as far as I'm concerned, Cobbet,   writes about in the introduction to his book about reformation, which he says should really be called the great devastation, which it is when you when he starts to catalog what happened here,   five hundred years ago, really, just we're just coming up to about 500 on it right now,   is   that he said, what all of the critics of the Church of England because Catholics couldn't build churches or do anything. I'm not for or against that either. That's just oh, it's just an observation. I'm just letting you know that's what happened.  

But it's do with what he points out, he said, all of this denigration of it is is   muddle headed in a way because,   basically, this is the structure that England lived under for, like, seven hundred years.   Now there is a counterpoint to that by Alan,   Alan Wilson, who's written a lot of stuff about the, the twisting of history with regards to this sort of prairies worthiness of of the Roman influence, you know, and and it's not as true as we think. This is because sort of Oxford and Cambridge was people with people that fell in love with Rome, and and British history was kinda shunted to one side. And there are all these other things to do with the fact that Christianity was probably here in England   in thirty seven AD in in a version,   way before the Catholic church even got a foothold here.  

So   pre Constantine is very important as well. So, I mean, what's the point of me going over all this stuff? I wanna go over it because   I'm of a view that the nothing is new under the sun.   Nothing.   Okay. We've got all this technology,   making it a sort of blizzard of information space space at the moment. There's nothing new under the sun.   But there's something in in this strength of community when you've got a unified understanding of where you stand, and they had one for a period of time.   And so if you, you know, if we were to ask people   in their sort of and I've got one. I've got a picture of how I think England ought to be, and it and it the way it is right now,   because it's it's just being basically taken apart   by this usurping,   traitorous force that's embedded in it with these individuals that are not obeying anything much other than,   you know, their financial masters in simple terms. Let's let's put it that way. So,   you know, these sort of fault lines that develop that we're witnessing, that are in all these reports that we're all sharing with one another all over the place,   there's gotta be a way of redressing it. I I just thought localism   may be the way. I   I think I mentioned here before, on my daily walks,   and I'm up to about five miles a day now and really enjoying it. I'm sort of getting fit again, which I've needed to do for quite a while. I go through a churchyard here called Saint Mary's,   and, it's a beautiful archetypical English  

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church.  

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Now whatever you might think about, I just look at it and go, this is pretty.   Right? That's a really vacuous thing to say, but it is. It's extremely handsome little plot of land,   and,   there's something in that. Because if we look at the original intent of a church,   it's it's, just a community gathering to discuss the affairs of state locally. One of the things that Belloc points out about the early days of the spread of the Christian   faith, Christendom, which is a word I love. I love Christendom because I think it sort of de religiousized   it and looks at the sort of solidarity that we need to get back to,   is that,   they were basically   these churches all over Europe, particularly out of parts of France where there was a kind of a nippy center of it in Switzerland and Austria, places like that.  

They were like he says they're like clubs, little clubs of people getting together.   And we've lost something over here. There's sort of people have been criticized for being NIMBYs, you know, not in my backyard. Well, I'm a NIMBYist. I don't want it in my backyard. I don't mean any   bad will to anybody else.   But as a locationist   and as a localist,   it's pretty obvious that a lot of people are actually sitting on the wrong pea land, and it causes the most colossal problems.   And, of course, this is by design, is it not? The enemy have done this, a bit like the planting of the tares.   An enemy hath done this amongst the wheat, and we've got tares amongst us.  

And this is why you're seeing all this dysfunctionalism,   I think, within our so called civilization,   which is looking less and less civilized with each passing base, certainly with the behavior of the so called leaders and this, that, and the other. So   I think you'd enjoy the book, Patrick, a lot. Crisis of civilization. It's available on the archive if anybody wants a PDF of it,   but it's worth probably having a physical copy. You'll have to get adjusted with his rather ornate   and involved writing style. But he's it's wonderful stuff to read because in his own mind, he's absolutely   crystal clear, and this transmits to you as the reader.  

And it gives you a lot of food for thought. It has to me anyway. So I'm I'm I'm a I'm a Balochian   or a Chester Belloc type of person. I'm I'm very   I'm very,   passionate about their approach to things,   because everything that they talked about. And there's an economic system that they developed called distributism,   which is to do   with the equitable, in the best sense of the word, distribution of land   and wealth.   And what Belloc points out is that, broadly speaking, this was what was in place during this early period of the middle ages with things like guilds, which is another lovely word.   Guilds of, you know, barrel makers or shoemakers or whatever.  

And the idea was part of the economic principle, which it's got to be, is to make sure that no one   got too wealthy.   And we live in a world now where there's a relative handful of people, a very, very small percent, who are excessively wealthy and are dominating the entire planet because of it. They've been allowed to accrue,   you know, like this BlackRock thing at the moment. Like, Starmer   met BlackRock, didn't he, almost immediately, and they're passing all these laws on farmers so that BlackRock can buy it all up. I don't want that. I don't I just don't want it. He's not I don't want mister Starmer to even think he can make that decision on my behalf, but everybody gets   thrown along with it. They get drawn into it, and our way of life begins to disappear, you know, drop by drop. You can feel it. And,   it's not just sad. It's something that's gotta be combated. We have to find a means, I feel, of reversing this   or going back   to grassroots again.  



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Yeah. Isn't what you think? I think I think it is,   the union of Christian Christendom,   like you said,   that's the heart of it Because of what Henry the Eighth did was he broke that union and decided that   the Apostolic Authority rested on him as the temporal king of the realm.   And he usurped   the rightful authority that belonged to the church,   and that   totally threw your country   for a loop.   And you've been we haven't been the same since. And I I think that England was   is one of the mightiest countries in the world.   And   that really   messed things up for the rest of the world because they look to England as an example   of how Yeah. How to how to live harmoniously and govern yourselves on an island   where you have to get along.  

It's not so easy to just move away from people because you're you're you're situated in such that you have a body of water around you.   And   it it did. And and I would suggest   reading about in the there's a Catholic encyclopedia   article on the union of Christendom   because that's what   that's what you're talking about with Christendom.   I am. Black that most people don't understand about western civilization.  

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When you talk about western civilization, you're talking about Christendom whether you like it or not. Yeah. You are. Absolutely. And it's you're absolutely talking about that, Patrick. I completely agree. And I'm trying to divulge myself or get rid of certain   prejudices that have built up, which were completely valid at the time. But you know what it's like. You go, oh, well, I know this today. A month goes by. You read a couple of articles. You go, oh, I've never really thought about it from that angle. And you get into it, and you go, yeah. And so Cobbit, by the way,   he's writing a Cobbit was raised in the Church of England, but you wouldn't be able to tell if you read his book on the reformation.  

What it because he's addressing it   as as the damaging effect on the society as a whole. I mean, one of the things Belloc's talking about is that Catholicism was disintegrating   internally anyway, and Luther and what happened in England kinda took advantage of that.   Not on purpose.   There was a lot of anger about things like, for example, as Belloc was saying, mortuaries, the paying of these excessive fees when somebody died. They just kept going up and up and up, and there were bishoprics and abbys and this. Oh, we need a bit, and we need a bit, and you need to pay for that, and you need to pay for this. So the whole sort of ability for the people to stay in the rhythm of life was disturbed massively by this. And, of course, it's this I've got to have some more money ness stuff.   And and when you do that, you destroy the actual wealth of your community.  



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The printing press had a lot to do with that, wouldn't you say? The propaganda,   taking over propaganda   and printing money   out of thin air. Now all of these things relate to that. And like you talked about, the enemy casting seeds into the field   that, ruined the field.   It's it's like that. You   to jump to conclusions about who's responsible, it's like it it it's like you get these brother wars going on in Europe,   and a lot of it is they're they're goaded into it by a third party that detaches itself at the right moment. When the destruction comes, they flee. And then Yeah. And then they come and they reign over the ashes of the civilization that they destroyed.  

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There's some good comments just come in over the last sort of few minutes as you've been talking as well, Patrick. Herodotus   I won't repeat the last big.   Herodotus gets fucked.   Says, Jesus Christ, why don't you come and save me from this life that you gave me? Well, I think Herodotus is unto us to do   that. I think even your plea for that is on the right lines.   Warren App Arthur writes, the vermin hate Christendom more than anything else on Earth. Yes. This is why I wanna touch upon it   because I think the word Christendom is more robust.   It's it's right. It's like pragmatic for the working man. And I'm really interested   in the working man, you know, this sort of mythical figure, but he did used to exist.  

The home working man now, the Internet   the Internet   keyboard clicker now, which we've all become,   but it's it's it's true. The enemy hates this more than anything else. If we want to repel   the enemy, if we say we have an enemy, and we do, right,   it comes in so many different,   sort of phases and and guises.   Is it not I can't believe I'm about to say this, but is it not a return to the true principles of Christendom that we need to make? You know, when I was talking the other week about that book, God's Rebellions, about the Crusades,   and I so I really recommend if any if anybody wants to read a book that's relatively it's pretty easy to read, and I've been trying to sell it to people in phone calls, and you ought to read this. Right? If you don't know anything about the Crusades, read it because it's a it's a fantastic summary   of what was really going on, and it will readjust   people's views of it. You you in the Crusaders, in the early Crusades, the last ones were going a bit pear shaped because they were in the light of this. There there were nine, I think, over several hundred years.  

But the commitment of these people to secure their homeland   was awesome.   It's unbelievable   what these men were willing to do, what they were compelled to do,   what   they volunteered to do. Instead of killing one another as knights across Europe, they said, we have to protect our homeland. And it's it's the simple case that if that battle at Tours had been lost,   Americans have been speaking Arabic by now.   It's it's I can't   and you look at this, you well, they didn't. I accept all that. The world is the way it is right now. But when you look at these things, there is nothing new under the sun.   All of these sorts of civilizations develop a strength, and then they wanna flex their muscles. We're no different. You look England and the British Empire and all that kind of stuff. Although I think most of that, you know, I'm slightly biased, was fueled very much by the commercial acquisitiveness   of the city of London, which grew out of the originations of the East India Company,   which was formed under Elizabeth the first. She was still alive in 1600,   you know, and went on to become this   enormously powerful corporation worldwide because it was the first one that was really screwed together well. And, of course, they had loads of boats,   and boats were the technology of the day back then, a hundred years ago.  

But,   if if it is the case   that the enemy   you said something, Patrick, maybe to me in private or something. The one thing that they would fear more than anything else   is   the Christian nations of Europe   coming back together   under Christendom and restoring it because in it, we've got so many answers. Listen. I'm just as jaded   and disgusted with organized religious bodies as anybody else. Right? They're a joke. The Church of England is a joke. It's a sick evil joke, and we pay we pay for it. They're laughing at us as they take it apart. I mean, I think they're even saying,   recently, why don't we just shut down the Church of England?  

Okay.   But why don't the congregation I've mentioned here do a reverse buyout and get all the churches back together? So you see, there's something about it. We need there has to be a component in life that's not just materialistic.   And I think part of this con a subtext to all of these conversations is that, is a yearning   for something that's above and beyond getting the latest bloody iPhone or listening to these tedious economic reports, it's all gonna be good. It's all gonna be bad. It's all gonna be good and bad because someone's organizing it that way. It's it's not a reflection of anything real. I mean, don't you feel that the economic sort of situation is just bizarre? There's no shortage of money for anything that they wanna   do. It's as if the whole sort of old thing of supply and demand is out the window. And if they do manage to get   this central bank digital currency stuff in place, we are in the most incredibly difficult spot. I'm not saying we can't get out of it, but it's really not gonna help us because they can micromanage   your entire life.  

And they will, won't they? Look at their track record. That's what they're gonna do.   So, you know, if Klaus Schwab says, you're gonna own nothing and be happy, localists   localism says, we're gonna earn everything and you're not involved, and you'll be unhappy,   Klaus.   We we we have to come up with sort of counterpoints to all this kind of stuff to create, I I guess,   a mental flag that we can bind in with because it's got to get into our hearts because they're gonna get destroyed otherwise. And there'll be nothing left. I'm in a good mood today, aren't I? But   it's it's sitting on my mind quite quite heavily is all this kind of stuff. Anyway, I've talked quite a bit over this last sort of thirty minutes.  

Maybe maybe someone else would like to say a word or two.   Yeah.  

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I   I really do think that that's the key issue that we're dealing with now   is this unity of we we that's what we lack. Most people are in their own little bubble   technologically,   especially, you know, you sit in doom scroll, scroll through every every aspect of humanity that you can imagine at, you know, your fingertips,   you see you see things that people only dreamed of seeing   in a lifetime   in a in you know in a matter of moments it seems   and   It detaches us from other people and we need that you we need that   communion with other people   that's lacking. And sometimes you have to step away from other people depending on who they are, but   you do need that. You need and I think that's part of the whole idea of the commandments   in the Bible is that   you get together,   you honor the Sabbath day,   you go and you meet   with other   like minded people to be around people   who follow a code of morality   that's honest and true   and not trying to deceive people, not not sitting there trying to get one up on your neighbor and   and going and   like, for instance, we're gambling. I've been thinking about this a lot.  

It's like usury.   Right? You're Yep. You're trying to take something that by its nature is infertile   and make it fertile.   Make make it grow when it shouldn't be something that grows.   It should be something that represents   your labor, and then you trade it for fair value   to someone else who needs what you have.   And then they can give you something in return and not this trying to   gain everything and be greedy and   and, I don't know, have have things   there's no I mean, there's nothing wrong with material wealth.   It's how you use it. And if if you do it in a just manner and and it seems like it's not a just manner, and you get these people in   in the what's become of the meet multimedia,   trying to make it seem like, oh, you you need this or you're not a complete person. You need this material possession in order to make yourself   feel happy   when that's not what true happiness is all about. Happiness   is about   having a having justice, having   a place where you know you're not gonna be harmed,   where people aren't gonna try to rob you   Yep. Where poor people can live in peace and   not be molested or   they can they can feed themselves, have the basic necessities of life,   a roof over their head, water, food, some, you know, bread.  

Mhmm. It's just simple stuff.  

[01:52:47] Unknown:

But It's the best stuff. The simple stuff is where the great riches in life live. I I'm actually convinced of it. I can't you know, I don't know about you, but when I get up on the morning, I'm even now, I'm so excited about that first cup of tea. My day starts off brilliant. I go, tea. Can't wait. I I just love it.   It doesn't take much. I've been out today walking as as you do,   as I do, anyway. And, I speak to everybody. There's a lot of dog walkers around here.   Actually, the other day, I sat down on a bench, and we sat in the sun. It's been so beautiful. The weather's beautiful up your neck of the woods, hasn't it, Eric too?   If he's still there? I think he has. You might be muted.  



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Alright.  

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Okay. Is, the weather's just been fantastic. Someone was telling me   today, they said, hey. We've had the sun down where I am, they said, we've had the sunniest   march for sixty years, and it's felt like it. It's amazing. Today, it's even being warm. When the show started, the sun was up. I feel quite a buzz from that. There's a beautiful tree called a magnolia tree,   or is it a shrub? I don't know. It's like a small   and they come into flower at this time of year,   same as daffodils   or fladidils   as we often refer to them. And this tree is   stunning.  

I mean, I'm obviously showing my age. I never paid any attention to trees or flowers when I was in my thirties or forties. Okay? But I'm going around just looking at what's on my doorstep, and there are a lot here because they grow really well in sea air. There's a lot of them. And they're just they only flower for about four or five weeks. It's a very brief sort of flowering season for them. But they're absolutely they're stunning.   I literally had a moment. There were two doves in one today. It sounds like, you know, but it was there was. This woman came up to me. She was telling me about the sunshine and everything. We just ended up talking about magnolia trees. It was a one and I mentioned that as this community connection stuff. I also need to mention that the three dogs licked my knees the other day, which was quite interesting because I was sat down on this thing and the dogs all came. So I had very clean knees by the end of my little sitting thing. Bumped to another guy who had a brand new rottweiler, which was very nice rottweiler.   Now that I know too much about dogs,   he'd given it a great name. He called it Zeus. I said, that is a I'm okay. I'm okay with your dog. Zeus. That was pretty good. I've gone off at a tangent here, haven't I, a bit? But I'm I mentioned because I'm walking around just seeing people, and so it's it is rural.  

Difficult word for me to say that, rural.   And people just padding around fields in the sunshine, talking a meeting. It's a wonder it's a wonderful thing, and I get a sense of I want more of this, and I want less of what being bombarded into my head, which is this gulf. And how do we get how do we get   the direction going back there? And I think it is about   connecting locally, and I think we can defend ourselves,   guard the local parish.   And I know this brings people's stuff up about anything connected with churches. I it brings my stuff up as well. It's like, what that? You know?   But we we've got it in its currently decayed, ruinous,   totally corrupted version. It it's absolutely lame beyond belief. But it doesn't mean to say that there are good people still in it chugging away. There are. There definitely are.  

But something is required   to bring us together, and it's it's not gonna be government.   The government pretends it's doing that through the media, but it isn't doing it in people's hearts at all.   It just isn't doing it. It's not gonna do it. Can't do it because it's a joke,   a sick   one.  

[01:56:26] Unknown:

Yeah. Well,   that's that's kind of where we need the church to come in because   the church is there   at all times. It's never changed   in in the sense that there are always good people that belong to it. And you might not know who they are because, really, it's not for us to judge   how people you know, the interior part of people, the people's hearts.   But it's it's always existed,   and it's always but it's also always been visible too. And and that's been the struggle all along is is is how do you   have as   a visible representation of the church   that people   are   be able to go to. How because it's it's nice to say that we need meeting places and all this kind of stuff and not have any sort of institution to do that. I mean, it looks like it feels overwhelming.  

Like, you have to start it all over from scratch and   when it's already there.   It's just Yeah. Being It's just not recognized.   Weak weak people.  

[01:57:31] Unknown:

It is. I think it's unrecognizable   from how it ought to be because it's just,   you know so when Belloc was talking about the the way that Christendom weakened,   you see it here. That's why I mentioned it. It's the same thing that there's there's too much money grasping. The focus is on all the wrong stuff,   and it's because we have this money power. The money power has warped everything   so that, you know,   as we've mentioned here before, now everybody has to go out to work and they can't buy a house. What's that all about? It's ridiculous.   Oh, we've got an economic crisis. No. We don't.  

We don't. We have a City Of London crisis. We've had one for hundreds of years, and it's totally out of hand. It's an an absolute disease. And, of course, this disease is the thing that keeps coming up with the solutions to the problem. Oh, trust us. We know how to sort it out. They'll be telling us that we need digital currency because it's gonna make everything more economically efficient. No. It won't. It won't make any difference at all to us. It'll make it worse   like it always has.   You need us to sort your problems out. No. We need you   to go away.  

And   it's finding the means to actually not include them in our life.   Anyway, I'm grasping at straws a bit here verbally, but there we go. Anyway,   look, we're coming up to the end of our, allotted time span here on WBN.   So we're closing out in a couple of minutes.   And, it's been good to be back after three weeks. We're gonna carry on on Rumble   and Radio Soapbox and elsewhere.   Good clutch of listeners on Soapbox today. So if you're listening via Soapbox, thumbs up to you all. That's really good. And, Rumble and elsewhere, it's good to get back. Quite a chunky, juicy sort of show today.   I'm gonna play a song,   and then we'll come back after this song,   on the other side. And I've got something from David Irving that I want to sort of feature,   on the other side of the break. So if you wanna tune into this, go over to paulenglishlive.com,   and then you can connect to us on Rumble or YouTube or Radio Soapbox. Take your pick. We don't we don't mind as long as it works for you. So if you wanna   carry on with us, we're gonna be around for a wee while longer. This is an old rock and roll or rhythm and blues song from an English band called Doctor Feelgood.  

And I'm only playing it because I quite like the title. It's called Sneak in Suspicion,   and, it's got the great Wilco Johnson on guitar. We're gonna play this, and then I'm gonna cover a little thing regarding David Irving after this song. Look forward to being back with you all next week. Have a cracking week. You WBN people, everyone else, we're carrying on for a wee while longer.   Here's that  

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song.  

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Sneaking suspicion.   Sneaking suspicion, doctor Feelgood from   nineteen   seventy something or other. Anyway, with Lee Brillo on vocals who, shuffled off this model coil not long after that,   and the great Wilco Johnson on guitar. Well, I think he's great. Anyway, one of the few people I know who got pancreatic cancer and beat it. Eric, you're back in the studio. Where did you go? What was going on?   Are you there? Are you are you sure? Oh, hang on. I've left you all muted again so that you couldn't talk over the song. Let's start again. Hi, Eric. Welcome back to the studio.  

[02:04:24] Unknown:

Are you sure?   Are you sure he's back?  

[02:04:27] Unknown:

Well, he's he's showing on the screen. Oh. Hey, Eric. Are you back?  

[02:04:33] Unknown:

I don't think he is.  

[02:04:36] Unknown:

It's tumbled. It's one of those radio tumbleweed moments where there's this silence.   Well, he's he's showing on screen here.   He's showing us not being muted.   So   okay. I don't know. Maybe he's having a profound moment. You're having a profound moment, Eric.  

[02:04:56] Unknown:

He's not napping. Yeah. We hear him. We hear him. Can you hear me? Yeah. There you  

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go. Welcome back. Got you.  

[02:05:04] Unknown:

Eric.  

[02:05:07] Unknown:

No. I can't hear you.  

[02:05:09] Unknown:

Oh, he can't hear us.   He's having technical problems.  

[02:05:14] Unknown:

Yeah.   He can't hear us.   What should we do?   I'll just write to him in the rumble chat,   suggest he leaves and comes back in together all all at once. Why don't we do that?   La la la la. You can hear me doing the old typing on the keyboard nonsense in the radio broadcast. It's the worst thing ever, isn't it?   Clack, clack, clackety, clackety, clack,  

[02:05:45] Unknown:

and come back No. Can you hear me now?  

[02:05:49] Unknown:

Oh, yes. We wouldn't notice it if you wouldn't Can you hear us, Eric? There. It's No. I  

[02:05:54] Unknown:

I I can't I'm trying I'm speaking. I'm unmuted.  

[02:05:58] Unknown:

We can hear you.  

[02:06:02] Unknown:

Yep. He can't hear us, though.   Yep. Unfortunately.   Why is that?  

[02:06:09] Unknown:

I don't know. Don't know what's going on.  

[02:06:13] Unknown:

He has these problems sometimes on rubble rumble where he'll disappear, but I don't think that has anything to do with what we're using.  

[02:06:24] Unknown:

Please leave the studio.   Get out of it now, Eric,   and come back in again.   I'm typing this on the private chat now.   Repress Hopefully, it'll see that.   In fact, I could kick him out. Shall I remove him?   We'll kick him out of the pub.   Yeah. I've removed him.  

[02:06:48] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:06:50] Unknown:

Now what if I add him to the stage again?   No. There's something going on. We're having an Eric moment. Eric, what's going on?  

[02:07:00] Unknown:

Yeah. It's very odd.  

[02:07:03] Unknown:

Well, I've kicked him from the studio. I'm gonna kick him out completely.   Alright. So, Eric,   if you can hear us on Rumble, which you say you can,   no. We could we could hear you fine, Eric. We're just letting you know. I love technical things. Isn't it fun? Isn't it great?   We could hear you fine, but you apparently couldn't hear us. But we can all hear one another. Nothing has really changed here at this end.   Well, apart from the sun spinning round and the universe moving a bit, but nothing to really affect that.   Anyway, while Eric is hopefully getting his Technic trousers on the right way around I'm gonna blame Eric for this because that's what you do when you're the host.  

Yeah.   Of course. It's all his fault. It's not mine. It's nothing.   And it's nothing to do with me.   I didn't do it. You know?   Burra twenty four writes, religion is the problem, not the solution.   I know where you're coming from. The original form of government control, in my opinion. Okay.   So it's a good question, really, or it's a good observation.   I guess it depends what we mean by the word religion.  

[02:08:14] Unknown:

Doesn't it? Yeah.   I think it really does. When I think of religion   is is, like, the root of the word,   it it means to bind together   and   to bind together. So it's any group of people, really, you could you could say that are bound together by something greater than just one individual   would be Yeah. In a way of religion.  

[02:08:38] Unknown:

All they did was remove Well, if it's not gonna  

[02:08:41] Unknown:

They removed Eric, can you hear us now? It's You're back in. Eric, can you hear us? I can hear you now. Can you hear me?   Yes. It's lovely to have you back. You just slumped us down to the pub for a quick sniff, didn't you? And you just make it it's just complete nonsense, this.  

[02:08:56] Unknown:

Well, no. Actually, I went for a wee wee. But, no. Actually, I was gonna say, so,   now what I did, I just shut off, Rumble and also StreamYard, and then came back into it. Okay? And it's working now. I I think it just had a sort of I don't know. It had a bit of a a funny turn. It's strange. Perhaps I mentioned a naughty word that he didn't like.  

[02:09:17] Unknown:

Well, we did we couldn't hear anything that you were saying, really. I just looked, and you you'd all you'd all come very, very quiet and contemplative and thoughtful at the back of the class. It was all a bit strange, really. But, anyway, it's good to have you back. Welcome back to the show, Eric. Come back. Thank you very much. Oh, lovely. Thanks. You know? But and the good thing is you didn't hear me actually do a doily cart, so there we go. So that that everything's everything's good there.   Yeah. That's good. Well, you think we go crazy now?   Well, we're not the thing. Yeah. Because you can't say it all about us if you want to if you want to. And,  

[02:09:51] Unknown:

of course, you put your Victor gag. No. I better not chance that one.   It is a family show.  

[02:09:57] Unknown:

Eric,   question for you. Question for you. Do you think religion is the problem?   Do you think religion is the problem? It's a really good I because   Yeah. Most of my life, I've thought it is. Okay. So when we use the word religion, what do you think religion is? What's your definition of religion?  

[02:10:14] Unknown:

Religion, in my view, and I don't wish to insult or upset anybody, is my Oh, go on. I don't think we're insultable, to be quite honest.   And the way I look on it,   I tell people, and they're going for other people to post that I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual.   Very highly spirit spiritual. And I think you are   well, I think that, from an outside, I would guess that you are very spiritual, but not religious.  

[02:10:39] Unknown:

Well, spiritual's an interesting word as well, isn't it? I I think it all comes down to definitions of words. I hate to be sort of pedantic about it, but I don't see any other sort of route through with it. So when people use the word spiritual,   and they say I'm very spiritual, I say everybody is. They go, no. They're not. They go, they are. Because the minute their spirit's not present, they're dead.   Anybody that's moving around   everybody that's moving around has got spirit in them. Right? Yeah. But I'm because atheists,  

[02:11:06] Unknown:

I used to be, but No. You see, I believe there's an energy.   But what that energy is, I don't know.   And I don't think someone with a black frock with a white with his white collar back to front nose.   But I do believe that this energy, you treat it with respect in much the same way as you treat electricity with respect once you stick your wet finger in your in the socket.   So the thing is, there is definitely an energy, and there is a definitely   a kind of with nature,   nature likes to be in a kind of order, a sense of things,   and it always puts things right. So I think we must respect   all that if you wanna call it God, fine.  

And I said earlier,   this is why I'm against capital punishment. Nobody has the right to be God. And when I say by God, I mean, it's energy,   whatever it is. And I don't know   what it is, and I think our brains have been switched off not to know what it is.   We can guess what it is, but we don't know what it is. And that's the thing.  

[02:12:12] Unknown:

I I know, but I'm not telling you.  

[02:12:15] Unknown:

It's a stupid telling. A bloke up the plow telling you. I'm not telling you. No.   It's mine. The same bloke who told you,   told me as well.  

[02:12:25] Unknown:

Yeah. Him. Yeah. That bloke. Yeah. But you see, I think   it I'm try I'm just doing this on myself. Right?   This thing that religion is the problem and not the solution.   I I think in its current manifestation,   absolutely. But what is how did it and why does it come about? In human affairs,   right, I mean, we've got a kind of religion taking place here. Right? We're behaving well well, reasonably well, apart from when you go to the puppy, but we're we're behaving well with one another. Right? We have cultural standards and values that enable us to communicate more effectively than if we were just all stood round in a circle with a lump wood knocking 10 bells out of one of them, which is how it used to be a few thousand years ago, I guess. Hey. Stop looking at my wife and all that kind of stuff. So you're kind of evolving all that way. So   it seems to me that not just our culture, but any culture tends to create   religious orders.  

It tends to create people who feel that they are more informed   about a thing than other people. A bit like a blacksmith is really good at bending a bit of metal into a horseshoe, and I'm not so good at that. So, you know, I don't get   it's because it's this topic,   this sort of area of the unknown   that it opens itself up to all these sorts of problems. But we have to I think we seek to have law in our life. I know there's a lot of talk about freedom.   I think freedom comes from the presence of justice, but then we even need to examine what we mean by that, you know, particularly if it's capital punishment and all that kind of stuff. Right. But we we also set our society up with constraints,   rightfully so. Like, one of the constraints is don't kill people.  

Well, I'm free to do anything I like. Well, you can go and kill them, but there's gotta be we don't want you to do that. Well, I've done  

[02:14:08] Unknown:

it. But the problem comes from my religion   is better than your religion.   And that is where the problem comes because,   I I respect people's faith.   That's why I said I don't wish to insult anybody   because I could be 100%   wrong.   And I've been a % wrong with lots of things because I don't think anybody truly knows,   but I do respect other faiths   and other beliefs, but not providing they're very peaceful and don't harm anybody.   That's as far as I'm concerned. But when you look at truth movement, for an example, that is a religious faith, which is butating   in some groups into a cult.  

That's really what's happened the truth movement. It's just that about any organization?  

[02:14:52] Unknown:

I'm just sort of, you know, throwing it through.   Is it not the case that government has become a religion?   Yes. It is so it it it has, hasn't it? It's got all its rituals. So has the stock they've got all their   rituals and their dates and all this kind of stuff. And now the chancellor will speak about the budget and all that, oh, this is really important.   It it's not.   Is it? I I I I don't think it is important   unless you're gonna keep on consuming this economic piffle that masquerades as news. Because none of them, in my humble opinion sometimes I'm not so humble, but I need to be. But   they're not addressing through us. You're dealing with a lot of amateurs   mucking about with things. I mean, there are people that really know this stuff, but it's always just to create solution so that the powerful   are not upset. We don't wanna upset the powerful because they can lock you up. They can they can't. There are people on this planet who've got more power than you and I in terms of affecting the behavior of other people. Okay. It's always been like that. But if we're under some kind   of law,   why is it that we we have always created law? Why is it that we wanna do that? Why is it that we've evolved it, that we think we've possibly improved it?  

It's there is a yearning for order   and and for these other things. And so I think religion,   no matter what you think about it, is unavoidable.  

[02:16:11] Unknown:

I don't know how you could operate without it occurring in a group. That's right. But even primitive well, narratively, what we would describe as primitive tribes,   They all have some form of spiritual belief. They believe in spirits.   And you go to places like Papua New Guinea,   where the tribes there are terrified of certain spirits.   And I'm not talking about the drinking type spirits. I'm talking about, you know, spirits you can't see. Goes to the Amazon tribe.   Amazon, tribes there are very concerned about the,   the the spirits. And,   so and they all have a sort of kind of code of life.  

So what's how that's programmed programmed into us, I don't know. But the big problem   is that,   you're quite right.   Government is looked on as a is a kind of cult. And I think the real biggest problem is   in school, we're conditioned to look for a leader   instead of looking in the mirror and saying, that's the leader. It's yourself.   And a perfect example is today. I spoke to my neighbor. My neighbor said, oh, oh, you better get down to the,   local   doctors. They're doing the COVID jab. I'll grab mine. You you know, you've been down we better get down there quick.   I said, what? Mhmm. I said I said, the last time I someone's shoved a load of squirt a load of toxic muck in my arm was when I was 11. What?  

Oh, and he then from then on, he just didn't hear what I said. He just switched off because he is so conditioned that he believes that,   providing us this toxic mux squirt in his arm is gonna be alright.   And he doesn't wanna hear any anything. It's cognitive dissonance.   And I think we all suffer from that for a for a greater or lesser degree. That's a big problem.   We can't help   that to look at these assholes in in government, which I call mafia government,   and just think what the hell are we gonna do next? Yeah. But the thing is, what would happen if we got rid of them?   There'll be a vacuum, and you get more ourselves taken over. What we need is something like the yellow vessel that didn't have a leader at all. It's leaderless,  

[02:18:22] Unknown:

and it just folks work things out on their own. Well, I wanna say something about what I think about religion is Mhmm. It's based on a creed,   and it's very important what your creed is because that guides you. And I would say in the Christian faith, it would be the apostolic creed is the basis for the belief. Like, I believe in one God   is the beginning of that.   And then from there, it goes into more detail. But   if you don't have a creed, what do you have? You have nothing. You've got superstition   guiding you. Like, I I think I regard   the whole COVID   narrative that we're fed as   a a load of superstition   and   Spots on. Believed it because they lack,   religious belief or an actual creed of their own that they that guides them.  

We have a lot of lost lost people wandering around like sheep.   And that's   Good point. My definition of a religion is that you're bound by a creed.  

[02:19:23] Unknown:

But the Church of England basically is is is a corruption of the Catholic church because it was Henry the eighth that broke away from the Catholic church. Yeah.  

[02:19:32] Unknown:

Yeah. And yet and so we have this perception, don't we? This is what I'm just examining. I'm not trying to come up with any conclusions here.   If you,   if you were to get to grips with or if I get this audiobook done of, which I wanna do, I'm looking at this, of Cobbit's,   reformation,   I bet you it'll shift a lot of your thoughts   because   Cobbett's just an amazing guy.   Absolutely amazing. He went to prison for opposing the Bank of England. I mean, everything that he writes, I just go, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I'd have been alive with him, I'd have spent all the time in the pub talking to him. When was he around? When when when what year was he around? He was born in the seventeen hundreds, lived through to the eighteen hundreds. So he wrote he wrote his book on the Reformation about eighteen   twenty odd or something. Right? So it's, what, three hundred years after it had happened.  

But he calls it the devastation. There's the most amazing information in there about the way life was in this   country prior to it.   Things that you would just go, that's good for people.   So if if the purpose of relate of religion is to make life good for people, to put them in a state of being ever improving their moral and ethical behavior, to be honorable and chivalrous to one another, I'm for it because there's an absence of that. But we know that every single religion,   gets   a a period of decay. It goes because I mean, it's the same like with the prime minister.   Not the current one I've just thrown out. Oh, I fell a bit ill when I said that.  

You know, everybody goes, well, this guy's in charge. No. They've never been in charge. There's always a pack of other guys who think I could do a better job than that guy   because we're humans.   And many of them could. Many of them could do a better job.  

[02:21:16] Unknown:

When you say the bank, the the the the prime minister, are you talking about the government of the Bank of England? Because, really, he is the prime minister. Well, I am. I'm talking about Mark Carnage now of Canada and all these other oaths. Yeah. Yeah. Of course they are.  

[02:21:28] Unknown:

Yeah. The king of Canada, that complete globalist, you know, number. But   they're they're in a position about I mean, we can analyze that forever. You know, the the only purpose in analyzing it is not to stop it. It's not to just know this stuff.   But the way I mean, there's a bit why Cobbett's talking about the you see, we we can't think about it like this because as soon as the reformation took place, the English were just   bombarded. We were mind controlled into repel Catholicism.   Now it may have been in many parts for good reason. There was a lot of parts of it that had gone wrong,   right, that weren't satisfying things. But somebody manipulated that situation in England. I'm gonna say Venetians. I'm wrong on that, but that's what I'm just saying now. We'll we'll upgrade that as I get to find out more stuff. But there's something really weird about that period, about what Henry did, about how it went so wrong,   about the sheer level of drama or bloodletting, and it's I mean, there's I can't remember. There's a figure like, he killed 50,000   other people   with orders and all this kind of other stuff.  

And so what Cobbett says, he said, look. You have this situation   where there's literally rivers of blood spill, English and Irish blood, lots of it, right,   amongst people who previously were friends in the same village.   That's horrific when you think about it. Although, maybe we're facing the same thing now here over the jab.   You know what I mean? Because it it creates this   this great split,   which is damaging, although it was coming. Like I was reading out from that bit, Belloc's talking about the fact that there were rumblings that were coming for a hundred and fifty years, but everybody goes, I'll it's alright. And things chug along okay. And we're kind of in that state now,   I think. You know, it's got worse. I've been aware of this for a long time. You go, hey. The underlying principle by which our nation managed, I, this money stuff, this is warped to buggery.  

This is gonna ruin everything because it always has, and it will again. I think we've pushed a revolution, though. I really do.   I think we've Well, I think it has to be a spiritual one. You see, this is what I'm it's it's a plot it's taking that spiritual concern   and having to find a way to apply it pragmatically as you live as a flesh and blood human being with others who have to go to the toilet and shop and buy food and light fires and pay bills and all this other stuff. It's important stuff because when it goes wrong, it wrecks everybody's lives. It causes them to be distressed.   And we're living with a lot of people who are distressed and there are a lot of pressure and are demoralized.  

There's there's no vision, no positive vision of life. It's a nonsense. I mean, it's just Yeah. Complete distractor that, oh, Donald Trump's gonna do this. So what?   I mean, when it actually happened, I remember talking to people about three months ago when he got elected. And I went, I didn't have a show about this. I said, I'll just pretend to be optimistic. Let's say it's all gonna turn out well. Is it turning out well? No.   Has he done it has he drained the swamp? No. Paul Will he You  

[02:24:27] Unknown:

No. He won't do anything. That's right. But, Paul, you and I are a similar age,   and we remember the sixties   that was one of the most optimistic times ever.   Everything was optimism. Television.   Oh, it's fantastic. Went from black and white to color. Wow.   Music,   fashions, the whole lot was optimistic. Then all of a sudden, somewhere in the seventies,   it all became pessimistic.   What happened?  

[02:24:54] Unknown:

You know, just what happened? Something needed to happen. I think we have to say it's by design. I'm gonna go along that as a theory now to try I think it's by design. This cultural Marxist thing to subvert,   what is it that they're seeking to subvert? What is the one thing that they wanna get rid of? I accept that religion is is an issue. It's a big question. It needs a lot of discussion around it. But it was to overthrow Christianity and to get it out of the world. Why?   Why that one?   Why us?   Because   under it,   we are formidable and can defend ourselves. No matter I I'm not saying it's great all the way through. That's not what I'm saying.  

But I would rather take something that at least provides a defense to us and gives us time to actually reconsider. At the moment,   because no one has a focal point for how to restore   the health of the nation, we have to look at the past because   the people of the past were not stupid   because they fell under the same sort of   willful idiocy that we are falling under right now. Is there all the technological advancements don't mean anything, do they? They go, you got phones. You can do all this. They're using that technology   to basically restrict our quality of life even more.  

It it's it's mad because there's a there's a a bias in their behavior at the top that they must be in control, and I'm gonna suggest it's because they will not obey   the will of God. They don't wanna because they are they've got a lot of evidence to suggest back to themselves that they are gods. They actually talk about it, don't they? I mean, it's pathetic from a certain point of view, but you can't get through to them.  

[02:26:29] Unknown:

We don't. It's it's like saying that the creed is bad and and and that's why you're abandoning the creed. But really, the creed is not the issue. It's the abandonment of that creed   that leads to the decay.   And and the times of turmoil are when people gave up on it and said, well, I just wanna do what I wanna do and be sexually liberated   and all of these things, make lots of money.   And that became the driving force for people, and they had to turn a blind eye to the faith, the understanding that came before them   that their, their   ancestors knew,   but they'd   throughout time forgotten.  

And it's not always the fault of the new generation   that all of this has come to pass either.   That's that's part of the thing because you can't just completely blame   everybody   that went along, say, for instance, with COVID and say they're all, you know,   shit, and we can do without them anyway. Well, it's no. We don't we don't want to abandon them. We want them to understand the truth.   It'd be a much better place if they did.   And, like, your your neighbor,   Eric, that you're talking about, wouldn't it be much better if he he had an understanding that you did that, hey. This could be potentially dangerous and end my life shorter than I would like it to?   It would be much better.  



[02:27:49] Unknown:

He worships the pharmaceutical industry or or or, shall we say, the doctors as as if they're little gods. You know? Everything the doctor says is is great. But Superstition.   The the the strange thing   is is that,   when you look at perfect example is Northern Ireland.   Now,   it's it was Protestants   against Catholics there. Now they've had mass immigration there.   Both the Protestants and the Catholics have got together, and they're fighting because they've got one in common enemy.   And there's no troubles now.  

[02:28:24] Unknown:

Now Yeah. Well and then kind of the problem that led to that was the the whole Irish tiger, the usury system that they got under. Yeah. Because they had good times that led to the   the the, downfall of what they have now because the bills are due.   And it's user usurious,   meaning that   they don't deserve it, what they're what they're having to pay.   That's the problem. And   they're justified in saying, wait a second. We don't deserve this. We don't deserve all of this immigration that's   taking away from our wages   and ruining our quality of life   and the culture.  

This is the   and then being able to stand up and give rational reasons for it   and be able to defend themselves in a proper manner. That's that's where we gotta look to how how you do that because it's gonna take the union of christianism   to do that get back to that realization of how you treat your neighbor how you how you respond   to   all of this chaos that's brought in to keep them distracted   and keep them,   it's   keep keep them,   unwilling to do anything about it because   the debauchery and all that sort of stuff   just leads to this inaction in people   that will eventually   create more and more of that migration coming in because   nobody will wanna   maintain the civilization   eventually because it becomes so bad.  



[02:30:02] Unknown:

But they don't wanna maintain it now, Patrick. Do they? No. No. Self respect. Because they don't know what they're maintaining. Because they look around and go, what's this?   Because they're demanding it. Yeah. Those principles.   That's right. And the the thing is, Eric, you're right about leaders. I mean, you're right about leaders, Eric, but they keep cropping up. Well It seems to me it's almost unavoidable.   That's why, you know, in military   orders,   you have leaders.   If you don't, you're dead.   Now we're hardwired with that. You go, look. This guy's a lieutenant, and this guy's a corporal. Who gets to the leadership? It's it's the psychopath  

[02:30:36] Unknown:

because   very few at the time Not always. Were not psychopaths. Not always.  

[02:30:40] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, maybe. Most of the time. But I mean The you in the old days, they would have probably called them determined warriors with vast amounts of courage.   It all depends how you wanna describe. I'm not saying psychopaths don't exist, and you're right in a way. I understand that.   I'm just looking at it pragmatic. How it actually happens as opposed to how I would like it to happen in my head, how it actually happens is that in any gathering or meeting, when you've got people talking or doing anything,   it may well be that someone you find that someone is much more expert has much more expertise   in dealing with the problem that you know is about to arrive tomorrow morning at 09:30.  

And you go, well, Eric, looks like you're in charge.   What what do we do? Someone has to take charge. We we're hardwired to do that from a historical and genetic sort of survival point of view. We go, I think our best bet is to get behind Eric's decisions right now. You're in charge, Eric.   But the Boer War wasn't run like that. They can't get is everybody independently educated about this problem? Oh, we're all gonna do it and deal with it our own way. Well, you're all gonna get picked off one by one. You'd be dead. Yeah. But look at the Boer War. Now the Boer War, the Boers  

[02:31:47] Unknown:

fought one of the most advanced armies in the world at that time   and kept them at bay for about three years. And they they actually worked on a kind of,   the the attitude was,   oh, you know, I I I can't go tonight because I've got a bit of cows or something. And and they they actually worked things out for themselves.   They didn't have a kind of lee   they didn't have a kind   of pyramid type leadership   that we have.   They they they sort of I don't know. It just worked. It may be because they were farmers, and they were very responsible people. Look at the yellow vest. That worked. They didn't have a leader,   but it worked.  

There must have had, I suppose, some people in control somewhere, but it seemed to work.   And I think it depends on the individual because the yellow vest farming folk and, again, they're individualists.   They are they think for themselves. But if you're dealing with city folk, you probably have to have a leader because city folk look for leadership   because they're they're not used to the challenges that farmers have. That's why they're all If you take a football team let's go back to football. Right? Yeah.  

[02:32:56] Unknown:

You got 11 men, possibly, on the pitch. Right? Yeah. Someone is nominated captain.   Why?   If they're not organized on the pitch, they're gonna lose a lot of matches. Someone has certain qualities   of   skills,   courage,   physical aptitude,   the ability to command respect amongst the other players to such a degree that he's the best choice for the job. That's why you do it. Otherwise, you just gotta do what you like. And you get beat all the time.   It's just it's an inevitable consequence   of wanting to get organized in teams. And you think of your village as a team,   and you think of your town as a team, and then your city, and so on and so forth. But that sort of it's not natural. It's so huge is the scale of it that we're now facing all these sort of fantastic technological control methods that they've developed so that, apparently, some bunch of sort of inbreds can run the world.  



[02:33:52] Unknown:

Well, that's why family is important,   and,   race and family are the are synonymous as far as I'm concerned.   You if and the the entire government,   it it runs like a family.   It if you look at the structure of it because you have your the father, the head,   he's Mhmm. He's the one with wisdom. He's seen things before the children   were even conceived and knows things that they don't know, but he still has his his sons,   his sir and their servants   to him, and   that's the same way in a government. You have a head at the government in in at the highest level and same with the team.   Like you said, you have a chief, someone who   has that wisdom   that the others lack.  

And it's not that they're better. You know? It's not sometimes it's just the circumstances   that God's provided that person.   It's not because you're you're less of a worthy   individual if you're just a servant to that to that chief.   You still have to respect   what they do   and know your place. And most people are proud, and they don't want   to follow orders because they they they've seen too many negative things happen. It's just like,   we'll go back to COVID. You see so many order followers. They're just willing to ready and ready and obedient to roll up their sleeve and get a jab and not even think about it twice because it's just ingrained in them.   Don't question things. Well,   if you look at Christianity, that's all Jesus did   was question people.  

Like, that's all he did is posit questions,   and and then he would give a parable, and you would find a a deeper meaning to what what he was trying to convey to them.   And that's that's how a chief works is they they have to be able to instruct people under them   in a way that they can then make them actors that are effective   and make make a a government work or or a church work for that matter.   And we do need people who to recognize that there are people   with that are greater than ourselves in in a gifts that are God given that we weren't given and not be envious, not be   humbled. And I think that's the main   thing. If you can be humble,   you can learn, and you have to be humble to learn.  

And pride really gets in the way of that. And we look at the degeneracies   that we see today,   they they usurp that and they say, we're proud. We're proud. We're proud of what we do because that that's the only thing they can do   is that virtue signaling. It's like the masking. You had to have a virtue signal. Oh, I'm I'm doing this for your protection. Look at me. I'm great.   I wear a mask.   And and then they they're little tyrants to everybody else around them that,   that weren't that way.   But there's no moral behind it.   It's just these invisible enemies that you're you're constantly battling. And but   and and the same with with with a game. If you're not following the rules, you're just off I don't know. If you're a boxer, you're shadow boxing instead of fighting the enemy fighting the opponent.  

And   I think that's   that's, you know, part of the problem. We have these criminals   who   have done these very dastardly things,   and they don't wanna be respond they don't wanna be accountable for it. So they get everyone under them, and there's some very clever people, and that's why we have so many wars going on.   Yes. And they they wrap us up   fighting each other rather than going after them.  

[02:37:39] Unknown:

Well, the the you remind there's that thing that Frederic Bastiat, the the French guy, said a couple of hundred years ago when he's talking about a system of plunder.   He said, you know, a sis a system of plunder arises amongst men, and then they create a body of law   to effectively maintain it. I'm paraphrasing very badly.   But they come up with a whole series of codes and laws, and the whole of the so called law system is a defense   for the super criminal, the one that's taking advantage of everybody through, you know, the issuing of so called laws.   We don't need any more laws. We just need to obey the ones that actually really are laws in terms   of good functioning relations with other people. And the race thing is massively important because,   you know, like we've mentioned here before,   the   I liken race to like different types of music   in different keys. And there's nothing right or wrong about them, but they they don't work well if you put them in the same rehearsal room. It's a cacophony.  

It creates frictions that shouldn't even be there. Now you've got a whole body of NGOs and everything sorting out problems that that they can't sort out. There's actually one problem, which is, look, everybody go home.   Everybody knows where their ancestral,   racial, cultural homeland is, and that's where they need to be.   Yeah. I mean, we've got the situation over here with Islam. Right? The the Islamic people that are here, the Muslims that are here didn't get here if they're on steam.  

[02:39:04] Unknown:

No. There's a there's a, actual   plan in place where like, for instance, BlackRock here,   they they buy go to the urban areas, and they buy up all the single family homes, and then they tear them down and put up big apartment complexes   so they can bring in Amazon workers or whatever it is, some big conglomerate   type working situation.   And it's not the way men should be working.   And the poorer classes of people   should have the ability to own property   and and   feed themselves,   and they'd be a lot happier.   And they wouldn't Property is massive.  

[02:39:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Property is so important. It's a massive thing that you don't realize it when you just think, oh, well, I'll go and get a job, and I'll buy some stuff and do things. Like, we've got this ludicrous situation, as I've mentioned here many times, to do with the price of houses.   I mean, it's just mad. I have no idea how it could possibly work. Could it work? Who buys them? Two have just sold nearby here. I've been drowning on about these repeatedly over the last year or so. They they go they went on the market for £670,000   each. They're both sold.  



[02:40:12] Unknown:

Who can buy stuff like that? Oh, and when you have a Usurius loan, it's just like the whole 02/2008   stock market or the housing market crash here. The Lehman Brothers versus JPMorgan   Chase case that came out of that was all about going after the people that had given the loans to people with just the pulse. You know? It didn't matter how much   income they had.   They're giving it giving it out to anybody, so it just completely enslaved a lot of people   into into these, mortgages that they couldn't afford. And Yeah.  

[02:40:45] Unknown:

I mean, they've always picked ways, areas to beef up,   the supply of money.   And, that, you know, what's the what's the track? How does it go in the last thirty years? Credit cards. We had a big property boom here in the eighties   that fell through. There was then credit cards in the nineties. Where? Whack that up. There's the .com bubble, blah blah blah, all this kind of stuff. The the numbers that they talk about are just ludicrous.   We've mentioned here that the year of jubilee,   if we were under a proper lawful system, would work.   You know? I watch the news. I'm I'm not much. You know? The economic stuff.  

Rachel from accounts can't sort things out. I can sort it out for you, Rachel.   It's easy. We'll get killed, by the way, in the process. You will get killed   by the people that are the creditor,   patrician class. They'll kill you just like they killed Caesar, like they kill everybody else.   But, you know, maybe it's worth it if you could make sure it was a lasting change.   But no one's aware that there's   you you go, well, that's too simplistic. Well, that's what we need, actually.   We need something really simplistic that a lot of people, broadly speaking, could understand.   It's you know, the idea of even refined accurate solutions is also not practically very valuable   because it's gonna take donkey's years to educate everybody, by which time they'll be dead.  

They'll have been consumed by this huge tidal wave of of fiscal filth, you know, which is really what's taking place.   So it's not as if even us here around around the microphones and the people listening don't know about these things. We do. It's finding some methodology to have them become enacted,   to build up strength in local communities.   I mean,   were we free to do so,   I e, were we not gonna be penalized for doing it, which will be, we could create local county currencies and just have them all relate to one another. It'd be easy   if we weren't attacked.  

But you're gonna be attacked by all these people who say, no. I'm owed millions, and I need no. You don't. You don't need it.   You don't.   Don't you want everybody else to be happy? No. I don't. I want me to have all this stuff. And I think peasants like us is where all the all the fun is. The peasants have the best lives,   although they don't feel like it, but I'm serious about that because we tend to we we at least have an opportunity getting things into proportion. These people that live up in this sort of high finance cloud   are disconnected from us literally. And, of course, their media operations to make them appear as if they're really concerned for us, whereas the history books show that that's complete nonsense.  

And they can't help themselves either.   But we've still got the practical problem of getting them away from the controls of power.   And to and I'm sort of talking like this new because I'm really keen to do something practical that would work.   I've done things in the past which were practical and didn't work and caused me considerable grief.   Did I did I drown on about this thing called an LLP? Have I ever discussed that, a limited liability partnership here?   It's,   there's a guy I I connected up with about twenty five years ago up at Quaker's House, a friend's house on Euston Road, which is a Quaker place. Quaker's very sharp business, right,   for all sorts of reasons. This is when they discovered that you shall not swear oaths. William Penn was a Quaker. He got locked up here. He then came to America, and, of course, he's the root of the state of Pennsylvania. It's named after him. Penn's worth looking at as well. But,   limited liability partnerships can be used to assist people to get a property without getting a mortgage.  

They're also massively effective   at, equity release, much more effective than the current financial system if they're structured right.   And I won't go into all the details because we'll get bogged down in it, but maybe I can cover it next week or something. But it it's got a great strength to it. It it allows a flexible level of rental and ownership, which may sound confusing here, and I am gonna have to go into details. But you don't need to get a mortgage.   And you could build those up locally.   And when Belloc and Chesterton talk about guilds and distributism,   they're talking about what I would consider are much more honorable   economic structures that breed   a moral and ethical people. And you can't do that if they haven't got property because you're out on a limb.  

You're out on a limb. You they can control you. And, of course, they brought this about intentionally.   So none of these things whatever people might wanna say about   the negative aspects of religions and belief systems, and I completely understand all of that. I've been there, and I'm probably gonna be there again at some point in my thinking. I'm just playing around with the idea   that something practical has to be done. We have to find practical things to do. I mean, I'm personally I'm just exhausted with the alternative news cycle.   I don't need to read it at all.  

Do you really need to read it? Does it make any difference? It doesn't. I think it's nearly all a waste of time.   I actually much prefer going walking and making people's dogs and looking at their trees and thinking, how could I make this local community   really   And, of course, I can't. No one can really because the central government steps in and kicks 10 bells out of whatever you're gonna do. So,   you know,   sorry. I'm just stating the bleeding obvious here. Anyway, let's just we got fifteen minutes to go. We're gonna we're gonna,   end in fifteen minutes. I mentioned David Irving just before the break. And   as some of you know, I did an audio book for David Irving,   or Irving Publishing a few months ago, and I was fortunate enough to go up to London and meet him.  

I know he's, he's never gonna do any more books. They've announced that. He, that was pretty obvious to me when I met him, but it was great to meet him and thank him face to face, wonderful guy, even though he's suffering with,   Alzheimer's   stroke dementia, and he's had a stroke and all that kind of stuff. But,   recently, I don't know if you've seen it,   and,   the people at Irving Publishing told me they were looking into this. Hitler's War, which is Irving's,   magnum opus, or it's the book he's most noted for. It's the one   that's and I've not I've got a I've got a hard copy. I've not got around to reading it because I spent the early part of the winter reading the Goebbels book, which was amazing.  

He's released it as an audiobook   in his voice using AI,   And, they put an I'm gonna play you the advert for it. So this is Irving's   AI voice   in the advert as he tries to as he's seeking to promote the book. This is quite interesting.  

[02:47:24] Unknown:

Real history.   Now in my voice.   When I first published Hitler's war in 1977,   it challenged conventional narratives, bringing readers face to face with the strategies, decisions, and inner workings of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich.   Told through his eyes, this book offered an unprecedented   perspective.   Now nearly fifty years later, I am bringing this controversial classic into a new era so you can hear my words in my voice just as I documented them.   For the first time, Hitler's war is available as an audiobook.   Using cutting edge AI technology,   my voice has been authentically reconstructed,   preserving the depth of my research   and the nuances of my storytelling.  

With access to previously unseen documents,   private diaries, Gestapo interrogations, and intercepted signals,   I uncovered an unfiltered view of history.   My rigorous research and dedication to accuracy have earned Hitler's war a place in university libraries and military academies such as West Point and Sandhurst.   This audiobook is more than a history lesson.   It's a journey into the pivotal moments and personal dynamics that shaped the war and the world. From the first seeds of conflict to its catastrophic conclusion,   I guide you closer to the truth than ever before.  

Hitler's war is not just a history book. Book. It's real history. Now for the first time, you can hear it as I intended it to be told. Preorder now and experience history   like never before.   Hitler's war, hear history unfold.  

[02:49:05] Unknown:

Is that impressive or what? That's cool. Wow.   Wow. I'm serious. That is amazing, isn't it? Isn't that amazing? What they what's happened with this stuff?  

[02:49:14] Unknown:

How did you do did you do the   talk? And then it was I I turned it into  

[02:49:21] Unknown:

So what they did was voice. I I mean, it's funny. I'm laughing as well. I've just got into doing audiobooks when I've just been made instantaneously.   It's   so funny.   Shit. I was going, right. There's another tough decision right down the line. But, no, what they've what they've done is there are obviously very many there are a lot of recordings of of mister Irving David Irving talking at all these speeches. Many, of course, in America, which he did in the late eighties and nineties. You can find many of them on YouTube.   And they've taken all that audio,   and they put it into a profile builder, an AI profile builder. So the more you give it, the more of a nuanced   complete comprehensive   voice profile you get.  

So if   if you've heard them about two years ago, they were still a bit wonky.   That   is absolutely amazing.   And it, so his entire output, including the book that I I did, will probably get overlaid   with the new AI voice, but I'm thrilled about it. I think it's absolutely amazing.   So if you want a copy and see what they're doing, you go to irvingbooks.com.   I'm giving them a a big sort of plus because   I think that's absolutely stunning. And it opens up so many possibilities to get   information across to people who possibly don't sit down and read a lot. I mean, I do read a lot, but I I accept that many people might not be able to find the time. So but that is just that's amazing. So now, they've got basically   David's voice in a can, and they can apply it to any text. And it'll read it as if he was just sat down and reading it. And you can get these things done   quite quickly. Although, I did see on their Twitter feed, someone had written in because it's 60 books for the book, but it's I can't remember how long it is. It's thirty six hours or something. It's huge. Right? If you've seen the book, it's a monster book. It's got all these footnotes. So someone said, that's a bit steep, ain't it for an AI voice? And they wrote back and said, oh, well, our production guy wouldn't think so. The amount of work that went into it. And and and it's staggering.  

I mean, you have to put a lot of work in to get everything sorted out so that it goes right. But the results, you know, if they like the ad and they're gonna be, is gonna be pretty impressive. So I think I might have to treat myself to a copy at some point and listen to the whole thing. It could be wonderful. But now you've got the possibility. You can if you can get a voice imprints of old people, and I particularly want Charles Laughton,   Although, I don't know who owns the voice. Someone will. All these old voices from movies, probably someone right now is painting or copyrighting them. So you'd probably get Clark Gable reading Gone With the Wind if you wanted it. I don't know. But you just match any voice up with any sort of text, and you can get it read in the style and manner of the person who you really like listening to, which puts me out of a job. Damn it.   But there we go.  



[02:52:03] Unknown:

So yeah. Pretty impressive, isn't it? But, Yeah. Change the subject slightly. I mean, the photograph that you've got for this show,   I my guess is that looks like, what, late forties, early fifties, or mid That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think as well.   Now can you imagine the height of the cold   wall, I'd have thought, let's say, 1962   when we had the Cuban Missile Crisis.   If someone was put on to say deep freeze or something, then are woken up now.   They'll need a lot convincing   that,   let's say, well, we lost the cold war, which we did. Yet we're told that we won the cold war. But, no, it's not the case.   They they would say, this is communism.  

Can you imagine the shock those people would have if they woke up, what, sixty odd years later   to see what we've got today? And it's all happened by a very slow drip, drip, drip. It's got worse and worse and worse as time has gone on.   And,   as Yuri Brezhnev said, if we stopped what's happening now, the decay,   it would take about three generations   to put it right. What's what's your thoughts on this?  

[02:53:14] Unknown:

Well, we've got AI on our side now, Eric. Maybe it wouldn't.   I'm being slightly facetious and silly and and pointlessly optimistic.   I don't know. I think it's it's very difficult. It's the not it's the secondary and sort of tertiary effects of changes that you can't see. I can't see them. Maybe they've got AI that can see everything. They where we put more sugar in breakfast cereals, in three years' time, everybody in England will weigh two pounds more than they do right now. I don't know. They probably could work all this stuff out. Right?   So they've got so many bags of tricks up their sleeves,   to to deal with the sort of the materialistic   world, which is really part of the problem, isn't it? The whole obsession is with materialism   to get to come up with another ism. I've gotta have more stuff. I haven't got enough stuff. I can't pay for this stuff. Where's my stuff?  

I don't know. I think we might be I might I think we could well be putting my optimist hat on in for some very positive surprises along the way. I I I think   I'd like to think that we will be.   I mean, the re my my thing with the economic stuff is there is no shortage of anything.   There hasn't been for hundreds of years.   All the shortages   are created intentionally to create causative reasons for wars and the further expansion of financial control.   It's all ludicrously mad. There's enough food, enough clouds, enough transport   for everyone.  

And you don't bring people to Europe so that they can have that. What you do is you say, you haven't got any out there? Well, why don't we come out? We'll set up some projects with you, and our guys will stay for ten years, and we can show you how to do this, and then we can clear off. It's better for all of us if everybody   is actually settled well with food and clothing and shelter, the necessaries of life.   So anyway,   I don't think I answered your question, did I?  

[02:55:02] Unknown:

That's right there.  

[02:55:03] Unknown:

I know. I know. Listen, we're coming towards the end.   How long have we got to talk?   We've got about three minutes or so. Yeah. Three minutes left of talking time, then I'm gonna play out with a Daniel Bostock song,   because I just am. So that's what we're gonna do this week. We will, of course, be back again next week. But, gentlemen, any   I'm glad to be back. I've really enjoyed it today. I know it's been quite sort of, serious,   in parts, but I don't mind. And, we'll get back to doing more laughing next week, Eric. I want to do some laughing. It's just taking me it's gonna take me a little while to get back to it fully. But,   I like what we've discussed today. I liked I liked carrying on your conversation from Sunday regarding capital punishment. I think it's a topic worth re coming back to repeatedly.  

And I also think talking about religion is very important because it sparks everybody off, and it throws up a lot of good questions. And I'm not necessarily looking for answers, but I think good questions is a really good field   for conversation, and we we might bump into certain things. So there's   there are these complexities, but, anyway I like Gents, do you have any fine words?  

[02:56:09] Unknown:

Well, I like the gentlemanly conversation and the ladies' conversation as well.   And, you know, I'm finding this on your show, my show. People have got very good microphone discipline,   and we all say our piece, and that's great. And that's how radio should be. So let's keep the good work going, shall we? Because it's fantastic. I I love every minute of it. And, I think we've got fantastic people in the chat room and also on the panel as well. So thanks, Paul. Much appreciated.  

[02:56:40] Unknown:

No problems. Patrick,   any any last closing words of wisdom   or foolishness?  

[02:56:47] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, in in the next hour, I have an interview scheduled with the Michael Jones. So I'll be playing that live on radiowindmiller.com   if anyone wants to anybody wants to tune into that in an hour.   Other than that, so not too much,   to say other than thank you. It was a very good show again,   and I'm glad you're back   and doing this. And I I thank God for everybody that you all came here and listened and talked.  

[02:57:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Cool. Brilliant.   Paul, you still there? Still going out on GVN, are we? Yes. Yes. Yes. We are.  

[02:57:27] Unknown:

I'm I'm kind of of the mind that we can   pay a little bit less attention to,   drilling into the   capital punishment   issue   and more so into just the reconstruction of the justice   and penal system in general because it's gone horribly, horribly wrong.   There is no justice in the justice system. The only way to get justice out of it is to stay out of the justice system. And nobody,   none of the victims, none of the victims' families   ever get justice.   They certainly never get compensation.   All they get is   the empty   realization   that justice was done because the state made a bunch of money and somebody got locked up or somebody got put to death, but it didn't positively impact the family in any way.  

So if a father was taken from his wife and children,   the wife and children still have to struggle   even more so   without him there,   and there's nobody there to help him. Let's change that.  

[02:58:34] Unknown:

Let's change it. And we can still come up with a list of people that do deserve capital punishment. Guys, everyone, thanks very much. Everyone on Rumble, brilliant, and on YouTube, it's all gone brilliantly well technically this week.   We're gonna play out with this song, and we'll be back again same time next week. Have a cracking weekend and week. I look forward to being back next week, and it's good to be back in the saddle   onwards. Have a cracking week. See you next Thursday. Bye for now.  

[02:59:00] Unknown:

He gets frustrated that there aren't enough immigrants.   They love a bit of it. Alright.   Who's that good lord marching? You should cut down on your pork like me. Get some exercise.   I get up when I want, except when there's a call to prayer at the local mosque.   I put my trousers on. I go on Facebook, and I complain about the noise.   I feed the trolls. I sometimes feed the feminists too. It gives me a sense of enormous well-being.   And then I'm happy for the rest of the day, safe in the knowledge that a social justice warrior has been triggered. All   the people,   all the white people,   and they all get stranded and   It's got nothing to do with supporting free speech, you know,   or   mocking fallacious feminist arguments that go round and round and round.  

Of the people   of the white  

[03:01:27] Unknown:

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