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[00:00:11] Unknown:

Well, hello. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Good middle of the night. It is Thursday, February   2025.   It's a very important date. This show is about that important date and lots of other things.   This is Paul English live here on WBN three two four. We're with you for the next couple of hours and a few hours longer over on Rumble. Well, welcome to the show.   And we've got what we would call a packed house this evening, this afternoon, or this morning, and depending what time zone you're in.   So many people, it's gonna take me an hour to introduce them all, but,   it should make for an action packed, chatty space. We're looking forward to the next couple of hours with you.  

Well, hi, everyone. And welcome back. Hi. A quick shout out to all the listeners on the WBN three two four, all the listeners on,   Radio Soapbox and elsewhere. We're also streaming out on Rumble,   a radio show that goes out on Rumble. We're on YouTube again today, I believe. We're also on d Live and all sorts of other places,   and we're there usually every week. Technical trousers   willing.   As I mentioned that today is,   Thursday,   February.   And exactly   eighty years ago today,   a   hellish event unfolded as part of the history of World War two. And we're gonna start off and we're gonna talk a lot about that event   this evening because we've got people in the chat in the studio this evening. I'll introduce them as we go through. But before I do all that, I'm gonna start off really with a clip. I've played this before on shows over the previous years   and, because it's very relevant and appropriate really to this day. And it's a bit of a bridging,   sort of clip in the sense that it's, it's delivered by an Englishman who was a prisoner of war at the time and was in Dresden.  

A gentleman by the name of Victor Greig, he made a lot of appearances during the last sort of eight to ten years of his life on mainstream broadcasting channels such as the BBC.   He passed away in 02/2021   at the ripe old age of a hundred and one about five days, I believe, short of his hundred and second birthday. So his innings was immense,   but his experience,   as you're about to hear, was bigger than that. This is from an interview he did about   six or seven years ago,   maybe about 02/2015.   So I guess that's nearly ten years ago with the BBC,   and we're gonna start off with this to get the show rolling and to set the tone for what we're gonna cover for the next few hours.  



[00:03:40] Unknown:

We were just hearing   then some of the first hand eyewitness accounts from those Germans who survived. Tell us how it was that you were in Dresden   at that time.  

[00:03:53] Unknown:

Well, I would presume. They've already told you.   But,   how was it?   It was evil.   I don't really know what you expect me to say when you say how was it.   Thousands of firebombs dropping all over the place, explosions,   heat, fire,   people screaming, people burning, people alike. Well, it wasn't   after about,   half an hour,   it it started developing into,   something which was really bad.   It started it started off,   it started off rather tame actually, the first the first five or ten minutes.   The very first wave,   as far as I can remember,   the mosquitoes dropped the, the   lights, the fairy lights, and, and then the first crane,   lock came over and and, dropped all these incendiaries.  

And then, of course, as wave after wave came over,   so,   the impact got heavier.   It   is about,   thirty five minutes, forty minutes after the first bombs had dropped that the bomb dropped outside the building that we was in   and,   killed killed my mate, Harry,   and,   and about three quarters of the people in there were killed.   And so you go out and, you come out there and the whole place is a furnace. It's a furnace.   Because we were in the center of Dresden.   And the wind hadn't grown up by that. The the fire really, it happened to although it although it was, you know, bad, naughty,   horrible,   it was the,   it was the second wave which really brought the tornado   into being.  

Because then they started dropping the 4,000 pound,   you know, blockbusters   and 4,000 pounds of napalm,   which if he dropped anything within about 300 yards, it was immediately incinerated.   So, and then   to feed the fire, so you get the wind coming in.   And that's   really tornado force,   and you you just can't you you   it's   it dehumanizes   everything that anything that you've experienced before.   I've been through six years of war.   I've lost all but three of the 28 blokes I joined up with in 1937.   I'd been in every battle   in The Middle East. I'd been in Italy. I'd come home. I'd been captured at Arnhem,   but nothing prepared me for   seeing women and children   alight and flying through the   air. Nothing prepared me for that.  

Before Dresden, I was, just an ordinary   I could look at people get killed, well, so dead dead.   But, after Dresden I was   a a nutcase.   I was,   it just sent me   it took me, it took me forty years to get over it.   And I I don't I I don't think I even laughed   for forty years. I couldn't couldn't even laugh at anything.   But   Dresden itself,   yeah,   you see people stuck in   they try to cross   when they try across over to us, a group of them, because I was on a bit of grass   with these firefighters and we'd come back because it was too hot and we came back to get some   clean air or what was we could call clean air for ten minutes out of a breather.  

And,   this group tried to cross this road   and the first lot of them got stuck in the middle of it.   They couldn't get away.   And in the end, they caught a light.   They were still alive.   And then they and then and then,   then they exploded.   As you can't you can't talk about it. You can't talk about it because nobody  

[00:08:21] Unknown:

who hasn't experienced it can't their mind can't they can't can't grasp it. And for you, Victor, what you you said that it was forty years before you   came to terms in any way with what happened. What were   how are you did you not speak about it at all in that time? No. No.  

[00:08:38] Unknown:

No. I never even I I think my I think my my family thought   as far as the world's the war was going, I think they thought I was on a cook's tour.   I come out because I was in India in 1938   and then we went to Palestine and I was in Palestine and my war was declared.   And it never let up then right the way through   until I came home from Italy ready for the second front.   Because by that time, I'd left the right brigade and I was in tenth Para.  

[00:09:12] Unknown:

Was it a turning point for you when you viewed how the Allies   were tackling?   What was seen as an evil menace at that point? I thought it  

[00:09:23] Unknown:

I I I never blamed the airmen.   I never blamed them because,   they were the same as, say, blokes in the Merchant Navy. They were putting their life at risk every time they went went up. And they lost a lot of men, fifty, fifty five thousand.   But,   I said and I still say, and I've said it in print and I've said it in I'm broad because   I'll never forgive   the people who ordered those rides, and that goes through all of them, Churchill, Atlee, all of them.   Whatever they can say.   Because, as soon as it came through after about two weeks and it started sinking in, because between that they were still carrying on bombing other cities like this.   And then, of course, they tried to, put the blame on somebody else.  

But, no. No.   We were supposed to be the good guys.   We was, going to war to rescue   Europe from the evil   of the Third Right.   And we finished up in worse than they were.   I'm not I'm not gonna say we   because, what   what   annoys me is all this was done in our name.   And I felt   I I I I felt it it really it really whacked me, dude. It really whacked me to think that   that I I belong to a nation who was responsible   for what was going on in that city that night.  

[00:11:03] Unknown:

Well, so that's about as telling a testimony as you're likely to hear. No doubt there are other ones just as bad,   but that's a man who lived through it. Victor Greg, who I mentioned there earlier, passed away 02/2021   at the ripe old age of a hundred and one,   who lived through Dresden.   And we're here tonight on this show,   to remember that day and to talk about it a bit and what it means also in the context of   our lives now because it's literally exactly eighty years ago to the day that that bombing raid, and it didn't last just one day, it went on for several days,   began. And, I've got a whole array of guests and experts. It's a bit like   a a a who's who of people who know a great deal about this topic are here with me tonight. And, I mentioned before, over the past few months, I've we've not done so many guests on the show. But tonight, it's, we have a lot. And, I'd like to introduce first, because it is ladies first, Monica. Monica Schafer, welcome to the show. It's good to have you back. How are you how are you this fine afternoon, I guess, for you over there in Canada?  



[00:12:06] Unknown:

Thank you so much. I'm I'm well.   Thank you for inviting me to this. And   just to your preface there, I I don't consider myself an expert.   However,   I would just consider myself   a lay person who has looked into these things. And   just very briefly,   my personal,   connection, I guess you could say, to the story of Dresden   is   through my mother's voice that keeps ringing in my ears and in my   in my head. Now she was not in Dresden, but she was in Germany. She was born in 1928.   So she was, you know, in her teens   during the war. And   what she said   first of all, she did not talk often about the war years when we were growing up. Not often at all, but   any time that she did   talk about the war years,   this is what she said.  

Why   Dresden?   Why   Dresden?   Why   Dresden?   And it was with such   sadness, just such   utter   I don't even find the words for what   emotions were coming through her voice when she said, why   Dresden?   And I'll I know you're just introducing everybody, so I'll leave it at that.  

[00:13:40] Unknown:

Well, you can say a little bit more, Monica. I don't mind. It's you the mic's yours for until you feel like a natural pause. You don't have to sort of clear the space. It's Oh, okay. Thank you. I just thought everybody was gonna say hello first, and then we would really get Oh, no. Then we can wait. We're gentlemen. We can wait. It's fine. And and I was completely engrossed in what you were saying. So please carry on if you got some more in these opening remarks. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just to continue from what my mother would say, and honestly, for us children  

[00:14:10] Unknown:

who were in such a different world, and   by then, we were being indoctrinated   and,   you know,   contaminated in our minds from   the the the schooling and the narrative that was being   being   brought to us   from everywhere, not just through school, but just through the films and the Hollywood and the TV and everywhere,   it was quite a different narrative. So we really were not   able to   fully   understand. However, just that did carry that that why Dresden? Because then she would follow that with,   you know,   they all knew, we all knew, and they all knew, and they knew that we knew, and we knew that they knew that there was no military target there in Dresden.   And she spoke of Dresden as the most   beautiful,   absolutely   exquisite,   stunning,   a cultural   city that whatever was,   it it really was like   out of a dream or, you know, it it like a storybook   city. Every   building, every   corner, every   everything   was decorated. It wasn't just a building for function, but it would be a building   for beauty as well.  

And it was old. You know, the there were   old   beautiful cathedrals,   and   it was just nonstop. The whole city was like that. It wasn't just one little corner.   Stunning city and no military targets.   And to top it off, filled filled to   bursting   with the   refugees, and we're talking German refugees,   people who are fleeing   from points further east.   It was 1945.   The war had been raging for years, and the Russian,   the Bolshevik   army was coming, the Reds. And   so they went to Dresden that they became a hospital city   because there were no military targets. And the other thing about it is the German people   felt   that nobody would ever bomb   something this beautiful.  

Nobody would do that. I mean, they they understood so well. They're in a war. Okay. So there's bombing and, I mean, they had been smashed to bits by then. Germany had been. But nobody would ever bomb such a place   of beauty.   Why for? And especially, they knew it was filled to the hilt with refugees. So my mother spoke of those things more than anything else when she spoke of the war,   and that remained with   me. And I'll have more to say, but I will pause now and let others  

[00:17:01] Unknown:

speak. That's great. Great introduction. Yeah. Thank you, Monica. No. That's that's,   you know, I haven't really looked at the topic for some time, actually, because I was swimming in it for years, and I took a break.   Although I was probably mentioning to you the other day, and I mentioned it here on the show. I've, recently read   Goebbels diaries,   courtesy of the phenomenal book put together by David Irving, which is a real eye opener, and how he was coping, you know, organizing all this, dealing with not just Dresden, but, of course, all of these sort of bombing situations, which we know were just going on relentlessly towards the tail end of the war.   But,   no. You set the scene well, and the,   you know, the truth of it being such a beautiful city is self evident from anybody that's seen any of the photographs and images of it, you know, during the nineteen thirties prior to the devastation that fell upon it. But, no. That's great, Monica. It's it's great to talk to you again and have you here.  

Okay.   Moving on.   It's a bit like, it's a bit like serving people at a restaurant. Dennis, Dennis Wise, welcome back to the show. How are you? How's your health, and how are you doing on this fine well, for me, chilly English evening. How's how are things for you? Thank you for, having me here, first of all. And, Yeah. I'm I'm I'm doing okay.   Great.  

[00:18:20] Unknown:

You know, I'm not exactly running marathons, but   No? I'm doing okay.   So, yeah,   I too like, mon Monica don't class myself as as an expert.   I was more of a messenger during the,  

[00:18:36] Unknown:

sort of You're the most yeah. The most of you are the experts that I know. Okay. I was more of a messenger.   Yes. I know. We're doing the documentaries.  

[00:18:45] Unknown:

Yeah.   But after I've done the third documentary,   the secret masonic victory of World War two,   I then   took a different   outlook on Dresden and other atrocities   both during and after World War two.   I did a I did a little sequence on the Spanish Armada   and the subsequent   deaths, which followed to the British Navy what was kept at sea,   and starved to death, or or we're we're all sick.   And that was,   leaning me towards the fact that Dresden,   as eloquently explained by Monica, such a beautiful city and the questions of a mother of why, why, why. And I honestly believe   that it was one of those mass sacrifices   to their god.  



[00:19:39] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:19:41] Unknown:

Yeah. People don't realize what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the world today is run by cultists.   Many   are Luciferian,   and, that is their god, and they require sacrifices for certain things.   And Dresden, I believe, was one of them.  

[00:20:00] Unknown:

Well, it's difficult to think of it in any other terms. I mean, because of   you know, as Monica was detailing just then, we know of the excessively large population at the time because of them fleeing away from the Red Army. Sure. I mean, I I I mean, I heard someone the other day trying to justify it. It was enough to make you puke. I didn't know what to do. There was no communication.   No. There isn't. There there's none. It's, it's a complete you know? I I think Victor Greg's testimony is enough. These these sorts of justifications   come from people born after the event trying to sort of hold up some historical narrative, which when you the more you look at it, the less it holds together. It's   It's just, it's just sort of, you know, war propaganda, the whole thing. It had to be done and this and that and the other, and it shortened the war, but it didn't. It didn't do anything of the sort. It just basically destroyed and killed.  

What's the official figure? 25,000   people supposedly is what we're supposed to swallow down has been the result of this. It's laughable. I mean, and it's an insult, of course, to the dead,   as we well know. But,   and, of course, you've done all this work with all these videos. So you've got an extensive overview, really, of not just that period, but as you were saying, you know, the the masonic influence in it. And,   you know, no doubt many of the listeners here on Rumble, but maybe the general radio audience are not aware that all the leading protagonists,   with the exception of mister Hitler, as far as I understand,   were Masons   and were thick as thieves in that kind of stuff. And,   this is,   not talked about too much, but it's definitely, therefore, something that needs to be talked about a lot. You know? And the the the the never mentioned the fact that it was the Germans  

[00:21:34] Unknown:

on their unlawfully what destroyed freemasonry   in Germany and every other   every other country that they invaded   for a reason. And I believe that they knew the   the reason, same as I believe.  

[00:21:47] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:21:49] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, it's good it's good to have you back, Dennis. We've, you know, I've not sponsored you for a little while. Yeah. It's good to have you back, and it's good to hear your your health is okay and that you're not running marathons, which I wouldn't advise you to do even if your health was good.   No. I mean, I walk up and down the beach here all the time. I see these people puffing billies, you know, smashing their knees and hips up, and I'm looking at them in amazement thinking, why are you doing this now? It's tough enough when you're young, but now I've got to run. And, yeah, they're all saving up for their knee operations. They'll all be going over to France if they're still doing. They're very cheap over there, I think, knee operations in France. But Oh, they really are.   No. It's great to have you here, Dennis, anyway. It's all a little we're just gonna go through everybody, and then we'll just open it up, and we can just start spinning around. See what people have to say. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I don't really wanna do so much talking. I just wanna do a bit of listening tonight.  

So that that's kind of that's kind of my role.   Anyway,   coming on to   Thomas   Thomas Anderson, welcome to the show. How are you this fine German evening? Or maybe actually, you're not in Germany, are you? But you're near. You're nearby.  

[00:22:53] Unknown:

I'm I'm close to. Yes. Hello. You're very close.   Good evening.   Nice to be back here again.  

[00:23:01] Unknown:

It's nice to have you back, Thomas.   Nice to have you back.   I guess,   it would be good to get your overview   initially just of this situation in however, you can take as long or as short as you like, really.  

[00:23:17] Unknown:

Okay. Well,   if if I may, I would start I would like to start with the actual official   situation, within Germany,   performed and and and presented by the German government.   It's not too long ago. I I guess it was around a decade ago where the German government finally decided that they   want to have exact numbers on how many people died that night   eighty years ago in Dresden.   And,   they did a research or let some people do a research   for several years. And what came out is the today official number. And when I remember it right, the official number is something like six 16   to 20,000   people   who died that night in Voorheesen.  

Right.   So some of you may wonder, well, 16,000. That is not that's not too many.   They also,   presented   the the number of people who were living in Dresden before that night,   on on pages like Wikipedia, for example,   and the number there presented is around 350   thousands.   And,   the number on Wikipedia source will they get their statistics correct,   after that incident was only about around twenty twenty thousand less.   So so the the statistics   six,   on the official side are all very clear and all very correct.   However,   they are not true.  

When you go and   and do a Google research on on on very simple numbers, you find other pages that   that point out that the number of inhabitants in Andreston was about 600 to to 700,000   those days.   And,   so so the the difference between reality and and and the official statement is is quite big.   I also as the other so would not say that I'm an expert, but I but I had the the privilege and and and have still have the honor to know a lady who was born and Dresden,   before Right. War began.   And,   surprisingly, her father was in an official position   within the local city government and organization. He was responsible   for the housing of the refugees   as far as I remember   her statements.  

So it was a kind of stressy job in those days because we already heard from Veronica, yes, The city was full of refugees.   It was the central hub for all refugees   who came from the Eastern   Provinces and and and searched for for   some help for for clinics, for for medical help, for   food,   for some warm clothes,   anything. They they all came with with horse drawn   carriages that they came by foot, millions of them.   And the official   number,   of course, I I cannot present. I can only present what I heard from this lady,   with her father being in that position in in the city that those days.  

Her father told her that he estimates   be because he was responsible for the housing and and and didn't find it before so many people.   He estimates that there was an absolute minimum   of   1,500,000   refugees   in Dresden in that night.   He he thinks it may have been even more so so around 1.5 to 2,000,000 refugees only. On top of these 1,500,000,   there come, of course, the the normal inhabitants of of the city. So so we are already talking about minimum 2,000,000 people, perhaps 2,500,000   people being in Dresden   that night.  

And,   so how can the German government,   come to a number like 16,000?   And and what they did is   quite special.   They said   we can only count   those people being dead who whom we can identify   %   sure.   So everyone who was not not burned to to ashes   cannot be identified and and was not counted.   And as we already heard from the statement from that that, British,   soldier   Yeah. The situation in Dresden was really like a furnace. We are talking about temperature   temperatures around,   much more than thousand degrees,   where where absolutely nothing   will survive and and absolutely   nothing,   will will   be there of of a human being, of a human flesh body.  

It will burn   literally to to ashes and to dust and and then disappear   with the next wind.   So   that that official statistics of of the German government   is   a crime,   a historical crime   and Yes. And and and treason to the to the German people.   And   I tend to to believe that that privately made statement of a very   honest and very decent person,   who was only talking about what her dad told her when when the all that thing was over.   She was lucky and and was not in town, but next to town, around 10 kilometers away. And and,   not only what what she was able to see at that night because, of course, Grayson was was on fire,   with with high flames lighting up the sky for for many, many kilometers away.  

And,   I   I do I do not even dare   to to think   or try to think, to imagine   what the people there,   had to go through.  

[00:29:20] Unknown:

No.   No. It's quite a thing. I I was talking about a little anecdote,   that came to me. It's not to do with Dresden, but it is to do with events in the war. When,   over the summer, I had to visit my wife in hospital for quite a while. She's back home now. But,   there was a lady,   that came into a bed nearby. I didn't know anything about her. She was not in a good way. She was elderly,   and,   she,   she had a big sort of bruised arm. She'd fallen over. The hospitals are full of elderly people that fall over. So if you're don't fall over everyone at any stage, but particularly when you get old, it's not good.   And,   she was a bit incoherent for the first day and a half. And,   then, the weekend, her son arrived, and I was   I got talking to him. And he was telling me about his mom, and it was quite an amusing but kinda dramatic story all at the same time. And it's one of these gluing stories.  

And,   she was from Hamburg.   I said, oh. And, yeah. So she was from Hamburg,   and she would have been,   at the time of the tail end of the war, she would have been in her teens, about 17 or 18 years of age. She just had her hundredth   birthday.   She'd just been a hundred. She'd born about 1924   or something like that, '25. So she'd she'd just had her hundredth birthday.   And, she was after after she'd come out of the sort of drug induced   pain   period,   she was quite lucid. Great. Her English was fantastic,   of course, as is yours. I'm not being silly about it. It's just the case, and she was great. She was yakking away, and I said, your mom's really recovered well. Yeah. And so and he he tells me this story about it. And then he said, yeah. He said, she's she's lived there for a long time. They've been very active. I said, is is her husband still alive? You know, your dad. He said, no. He died a few years ago.   And the story is that,   she was in Hamburg,   and got moved out, but, it was a sort of a close run thing at the time.  

But her husband,   was in the RAF   at that time   in bombers,   bombing Hamburg.   I couldn't believe it when he told me this. I said, really? I said, so this is a really fiery wartime romance. First of all, your dad tries to bomb your mom. He said, yes. He's smiling as he's telling me this. And then he ends up meeting her and he married her. He said, yeah. So I just thought I would pass that on just to lighten the mood a little bit. You know, it's not that this,   justifies any of this sort of stuff, but there's these strange little quirky stories, and that was definitely one. And she was fighting fit. Probably she's probably about 102 by now.   So it was, you know, it's just a a wonderful little tale to hear. And they they travelled all around the world and done things and had a very active life. So, you know, out of the out of the ashes comes some good things, but very few because there's such a lot of ashes as you've just been talking about,   that are that are connected obviously with not just Dresden, but the whole of that campaign towards the end of the war. So,   or during the war, you know, once they once they couldn't stop bombing like mad, which is basically, you know, a main theme of of what occurred there during the conflict.  

So, no. It's it's great to have you back as well, Thomas. It's really good. I know it's a it's kinda,   a kinda cozy space tonight. We've got lots of people in here.   I'm gonna go over to one of the regular crew. Eric,   how are you this fine Thursday evening? How are things with you?  

[00:32:50] Unknown:

Oh, good evening. I'm very moved actually by   what,   your guests have actually said, and I also am no expert on Dresden.   But   the   observation I made is that I'm not sure about Thomas, but I know that yourself, Paul,   myself, Dennis, and Monica,   we are possibly the last direct links to World War two because we were born after the war, but our parents were involved.   Or maybe with Thomas,   or and Patrick.   Your grandparents   were involved.   And   with me, my father,   he was a very reluctant conscript because he   used to read to his blind father before World War two.   And he knew that we was being told a pack of lies.  

And,   he was conscripted into the British forces very reluctantly. He didn't want to go.   And,   he saw action in,   Malta, invasion of Sicily Italy, Sicily, and D Day.   And,   he had,   he he was actually had,   shell shock that was not actually   they they did actually they just left it. So he had,   and because he had shell shock, he relived the war every day of his life. So from a very early age, I had World War two World War two every day.   So I could sort of repeat it. It's it's sort of stuck in my memory. It affected me because some of the things he told me and I'm not blaming my dad because my dad and I were, like, twins. We were very close.   But I heard things when I was young that I probably shouldn't have heard   of the real horrors of the battlefield. So it gave me a possibly   more of an insight into what   actually went on.  

But,   with Dresden,   I worked with,   a parl sorry. Not a parlour, a navigator   who was on Lancasters, who was on the Dresden raid.   And I can explain this later, but what he told me was absolutely horrific.   And,   also, both my father and my uncle   saw   flamethrowers in use, and they said the people that use these flamethrowers must have been psychopaths,   and they saw the result of it.   I won't go into that because I find it a little bit moving,   because,   it hell. Absolute hell.   And I think that   war in a battlefield is really a psychopath's play playground. That's basically all you really call it. But most of the psychopaths   don't see it at the furthest hand. They sit behind desks   and see it. But,   I'll I'll reserve, you know, what I have to say for a little bit later,   because I'm sure that Monica and everybody else has got a heck of a lot to say. So thank you very much.  



[00:35:53] Unknown:

Thanks, Eric.   And, although he's not actually on the screen,   he is out there.   Patrick, welcome to the show. How are you in cheesy Wisconsin? How is how are things for you this fine afternoon, I'm assuming?  

[00:36:08] Unknown:

Oh, thank you.   It's quite cold here, but it's getting warmer. It's not too bad.   Yeah. This topic is very interesting.   I'm I'm in the middle of reading David Irving's book, The Destruction of Dresden,   the updated version. You can get on IrvingBooks.com,   the newest version   that's been updated since he originally wrote it. And and I think it was published in 1963.   Quite telling of the planning of it and the   tactics that they used with the different   wings of airplanes that would go in and mark the spot where they were going to bomb, and then   the rest of the bombers would have radar and that sort of thing that could see   where those markers were and then they could target. So they   they planned this out and,   a lot of I didn't know that this took place after the Yalta conference.  

So they had   communications going between the soviets   Who were attacking from the East and driving people to the West?   And that's why like monika was saying about the refugees fleeing   They, fled from the Soviets across the I think   of the Otter   River   near there.   They they were just on the East Side   getting into the West Side and   people that didn't flee they were getting   terrible things done to them and   then   top it off with   the tragedy that took place. And I think Dresden was chosen,   and I think they had a   a goal to get rid of it from the beginning   because the history there goes back quite a ways. And,   I think   the people involved in that had like   like was being said earlier, there's a   secret group of people that   plan these things, and   Dresden was kind of a heart   of the opposition to that.  



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So that's that's my take on it. Yeah. No. I think you're pretty close to it. I think it symbolized a lot of the   finer qualities of, German living. Obviously, the architecture we're aware of, and you can find these images of, of Dresden pre bombing as it were. So I guess it kinda symbolized the finest of of architectural  

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performance from the Germans in terms of the beauty of it as a city. I would point something also that it was also kind of the the meeting point of Protestant and Catholic harmony,   if you could call it that. But   it was definitely   a place where   those two groups   lived in peace   and and,   kind of tranquility   in a way. And the fact that they it wasn't a military target.   It was a place of culture   It was the capital of Saxony   which is the   the state   that   Dresden is the capital of Yeah,   so it's it's quite quite telling the history   a little bit more into the the history of that going back hundreds of years   and   even quite fascinating   stuff when you learn about it. And the Holy Roman Empire, the history to do with that, the seat of the elector   Mhmm. Who would elect the emperor emperor at the time   when they had one. So   quite quite   fascinating stuff and very tragic day.  



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Or days, in fact, because obviously Days. Yeah. It was days, wasn't it?  

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Yeah. And it led up to Ash Wednesday, which is   the beginning of Lent.   So it would have been a carnival   atmosphere somewhat, I think, in that city because of it. Yeah.   In fact, Tuesday, we have that here in New Orleans. It's famous for the carnival that they have, and I'm sure   other places that are have,   European   ancestry.   Yes.   So   yeah.  

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Yep. Well, I know. I I mean,   there's a guy,   who's the guy? The guy that Churchill called the professor, a guy called professor Linderman.   And,   he was, as far as I understand, a key architect   in making these decisions about bombing.   And this is a psychopathic mindset. There's no two ways about it because they,   they targeted areas of the major cities based on the density of housing.   The idea was to find   those parts of the city that had the highest population density per square meter, square yard as we would say over here,   and to focus in   on those to actually get, what was Lindemann's words, the highest, you know, yield of blood per square yard, literally. Yeah. That's the sort of mentality.  



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Overestimate the number of deaths too, but at the same time,   he he was the driving force behind the area bombing that of of the residential places to terrorize them. They wanted to demoralize the enemy,   and they figured that would be the most effective way to do it and   demand the most resources   because you'll have of the number of homeless   as a  

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consequence. Yeah. The burden that that would actually put on the rest of the logistics afterwards.   Yeah. I mean, of course, you know, we we're talking about this, but in world war one as far as I'm aware, there weren't any civilian bombing runs. There may have been some. Maybe they hadn't designed the bombing technology to their satisfaction, had to use the bombers to bomb troops or whatever. So it's   you know, although war is a ridiculous thing, you could say, well, at least World War one,   was was, you know, infantryman against infantryman,   mad and stupid and pointless and senseless and completely avoidable, though it obviously wasn't because we weren't able to avoid it. But this this is the thing that makes this so wretched   is this intentional targeting of civilians.  

It's,   and I've mentioned it before, you know,   there's a cathedral over here at Ely, Ely Cathedral.   We may have mentioned this only a couple of weeks ago, but it's it's definitely appropriate right now in this show. They did some repair work on it a few years ago,   and, they were taking some walls down and they discovered that being the last time there'd been repair work was, like, 1943   in Ely Cathedral.   And they'd taken this plaster off, and they found all this graffiti that had been put up there by the workmen of the time. And it was scathing towards the leadership of this country   because of these bombing runs. And someone had drawn a bomber bombing,   a mother and child supposedly in Germany, a bus stop with some I can't remember what the remark was underneath,   but there is a lot of this.  

You know, it's this way in which people are compelled and end up doing the most horrific things because, I guess, they get a bullet in the head or think they're gonna get one or whatever the punishment was gonna be.   I know that when,   there are anecdotes of when they were actually planning out these bombing runs, the the pilots over here, there are often a lot of mutterings at the back of the room saying, one of them was, oh, women and children first again, is it?   Sarcastically.   You know? That they were appalled in a way by what they were being ordered to do.   And everybody's passing the book, but it comes from the highest level. And, of course, after the war,   Churchill and that lot were all, you know, saying, oh, it's bomber command. And bomber command were going, no.  

We were, you know, ordered to do this. And, you've got to go up the line,   to find out where it's all gonna come from.   And as we've also you know, Churchill's first day behind his desk, the very first thing he did within a matter of hours was order a bombing run   on Germany That's right. To get it going as quickly as he possibly could, doing everything he could to provoke   the Luftwaffe to bomb London, which, of course, in due course, it had to, I guess, and did,   giving them further justification for unleashing as many bombers as they could. And and the tail end of it, symbolically and actually, of course, is is Dresden. It's the one that stands out more than even though no doubt   Hamburg and Berlin got pummeled just as bad. But there's something about   in Dresden, it's kinda sums the whole thing up. It's trying to just literally destroy the cultural the culture and the people,   you know, in the most horrific way.  



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I believe it was 05/10/1941   when they bombed, Freiburg, Germany in the South, just across from Basel, Switzerland.  

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Yep.  

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And that was the day that Churchill took power.   So and it's kind of a mystery   how that would took place. But,   yeah.  

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Well, it was good to hear Victor Greig have a go at him at the end of that little testimony he gave right at the beginning of the show.   I'm sure he's not alone in that. And, of course, you know, we still have to swallow down hook, line, and sinker. Greatest Britain that ever lived. No. I don't think so.   Anybody that even casually looks into it, but you still get historians to this day defending it all. We I came across one   last week.   Maleficus Maleficus Scott sent me this clip, and I, you know, I just didn't know what to really think of the guy. I mean, it was just like   propaganda one zero one, you know, court historian two thousand and twenty five style,   trying to justify this stuff. There there's a war on and all this. No. No. No.  

That's it's just   it's appalling. It's appalling. It's, you know, we're gonna run out of adjectives to describe it. But, anyway, Patrick, it's good to you know, obviously, we're not speaking as frequently as we usually would if we've got all these wonderful voices and, and everybody here around the microphone.   Paul, you've arrived. Anything you would like to say, Paul?   No. He's just listening.   That's okay. So that's he might step in at some point. That's Paul. This,   the show is going out all over the place, and it's picked up and going over to, Global Voice Network, which is Paul's situation as well. So thanks for that, Paul. So we're getting out to quite a crowd,   and, here we are. As I said, I'm just repeating again. It's February   ago today.  

In fact, imminently, as Monica, you were saying something just in the preshow about the timing. Did you want to comment a little bit about that?  

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Yes. Thank you. It is now about ten well, thirteen minutes away from   it would be 10:00   in the evening,   German   time, Germany time,   on the February 13   that the bombing began. So it was dark out and the people were   in the streets because   like,   Patrick alluded to, it was Fushing.   Fushing   Deanstuck. So the Tuesday, it would be like the Mardi Gras in in United States, and especially in this in Louisiana. I think they really do a big thing there with Mardi Gras.   And in Germany,   that   was a big, big party.   And the people were feeling rather celebratory.   They felt very safe being in Dresden, that it had not been targeted throughout the years of the war.  

And like I had mentioned earlier, it was   basically,   it had turned into a a hospital city   filled with refugees and no military target, and they felt safe. They were out   reveling.   So another aspect to this is that that would be, you know, maximum   kill   for these bombings to start in the midst of the, you know, the the good cheer, you could say.   And, I mean, it's   as much as you could be in good cheer   at in, you know, in years into the war   when Germany was not doing well. However,   we know that   as human beings, we we do try to,   you know, not be dismal and   sad all the time. We we will get together and we will sing and play,   even amidst amidst the most terrible circumstances. So there they were out in the street celebrating flushing,   and that's when it began. So that literally is   in a few minutes, eighty years ago, that that all began, those horrors.  

And like you had also mentioned,   it went on then for a few days or, you know, they they really   timed everything   perfectly   for maximum damage. You know, they started out with these   explosive   bombs to blow the roofs off,   and then they came in with the incendiary   bombs to start the firestorm.   And my goodness and some some of the others on this   panel have already talked about that, the extreme   high winds. I mean, pulling people into the inferno and pulling everything into the inferno   was and and then also sucking the oxygen out of the,   what do you call it, the cellars. Like, if if people went down into their basements or the bomb shelters   to seek refuge,   many of them   died   from asphyxiation   or from just pure heat.  

And but but the oxygen literally was sucked out   and because of this firestorm   that happened.   And then   just to, you know,   fast forward the the the way this all unfolded,   I don't know how many hours it was, but then it would have been the next day, I think,   after,   so things were quiet again.   And   people were coming in from the surrounding villages   to,   help. So the rescue, you know, the ambulances, the people helping.   And that's when they the bombers came with   another wave   to strafe them, to kill them. It was   pure and simple   to kill as many people as   they could.  

So, I mean, Churchill is infamous   for   even saying before   this began in Dresden, don't give me suggestions   of how to,   target, you know, a how to find a military target. Just give me suggestions how we can   based or roast. I don't know the word to use, but at some point, the word based came into this conversation. How we can base 600,000   Germans.   That came out of Churchill's mouth   at some meeting or other. I think somebody else on this panel might know the specifics of it.   And,   you know, that that was the intention.   It was clearly intention. And then,   like one of the others   have mentioned,   it did not stop with Dresden. And Dresden wasn't the first either.  

You know, it started,   I think, Patrick, you mentioned 1941   just after Churchill came to power   with the bombing of cities and towns.   And I think any city or town in Germany with population over a certain amount got targeted.   But on February 16, literally just,   you know, a few days   after   Dresden,   they   obliterated,   a little town called Fortsheim,   and half of the population   died in that.   And it was about,   63,000   inhabitants   lived there. And it was known for producing crockery and dinnerware,   and half of the people there died. It I mean, there were no military targets there either. So that was just one example. They went on and on and on till   until the very end of the war.  

It to continue to bomb   towns and villages, to kill as many Germans as possible,   and, yes, to demoralize   the enemy as as somebody mentioned, but also literally to kill as many Germans as possible. I mean, we are all familiar with the book   by Theodore Kaufmann   that I think was published in 1941.   And the title of that was Germany Must Perish,   and how he outlined   how to do that is to sterilize   all the men   from, I don't know, you know, 16 to 80 or or something like that. Hire 20,000   surgeons to do that and and voila.   No more Germans because Germans are just inherently   evil. I mean, this is the extent of the,   brain contamination.  

I don't like to use the word brainwashing   because it sounds too clean.   But, you know, the contamination   of people's minds, so much   hatred   towards the Germans, you know, the incitement of hatred.   Nowadays, if we are speaking too many   facts, they call us the haters.   But, really, it is the hatred against the German people that had been going on for a long, long time   and then really got amplified   during the war. And then after World War two, you know, who was that,   Seft and Dalmer,   the black propaganda. Yeah. There was that famous quote that he did. You know, we're only just beginning now with our atrocity   propaganda. And he basically admitted that it was all lies because it in the end of that quote, he said,   it's like an English lawn,   one moment of neglect,   and those pesky   weeds of historical truth   come up. Something like that. I don't have it in front of me, but that's That's good enough. I know exactly what you mean. The gist of it, isn't it? And just to bring it bring it to the   the the current time   and and this thing that I just mentioned about brain contamination   or indoctrination   and or reeducation,   you know, they   in in German,   you know, to reeducate.  

But that I have, you know, big air quotes around that. So we think of George Orwell style,   you know, to erase the the facts and replace the the facts with this,   new, you know, new narrative.   So   now   I mean, it's not that many years ago. I I remember seeing a video of at one of these,   you know, the commemorations that happens on the Saturday   nearest to   this date, this anniversary in Dresden.   There were young German   women, and they were, you know, blonde, beautiful German women, but they had painted on their chests,   do it again, bomber Harris.  

And it's just that would be the the epitome of the the tragedy   of the war that continues to this day in the form of the psychological   warfare, the the psychological aspect of it, this   this this, indoctrination   and programming of the minds that you have these   young German women   painting that on their chest, do it again, bomber Harris. Now   if people don't know who bomber Harris was, maybe somebody else can explain. But wasn't he the head,   commander of the bombers  

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during He was? Yes. Yeah. Sir Arthur Harris.  

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David Irving interviewed him in 1961   for his book, Destruction of Dresden.   Yeah. He he was the main commander of the the bombers,   but he was not the one who   ultimately gave the orders of where to bomb.  

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Correct.   Right.   No. But, you know, they're very symbolic, isn't it? That that these   Germans have become basically,   you know, self hating, self loathing because of this guilt guilt guilt cult   that they carry.   It is changing. There are many, many Germans who are,   becoming   aware and conscious   of the fact that there has been a grand   deception,   grand as in large,   not as in, you know, good,   as the word grand being used in a in a terrible sense there. But,   you know, and and earlier,   we talked about the numbers, the official numbers   that are now given, and I was horrified to see that they even went down from the the quote, unquote official number of 25,000   to to 16,000   or 16 to 20,000   and how they came up with those numbers. Yeah. Somebody has to be very,   identifiable.  

And how many of those who were completely   turned into ash   could ever be identified.   Not   to mention   and, you know, earlier I had thought about doing a reading out of this excellent book. I'm not going to do a reading out of the book, The Myth of German Villainy. We'll just because we're talking about all these things and describe it.   But there is an excellent few pages in this book, which I think, you know, if people haven't read anything about,   you know, that era,   this would be a a one stop shop if you if you like to   dispel   this notion of German   villainy. So it is called The Myth of German Villainy by Benton Bradbury. But anyway,   in this section that I had   kind of earmarked,   it talks about the the pyres, the fires that   to deal with the bodies   or what was left of the bodies, those who had not been utterly,   completely   turned to ash already   by the the firestorm   in Dresden.  

But though there were many, many, many, many dead, And they had to deal with that, and so they just created   pyres   and and, you know, lined these with   railway ties and lit them on fire and had these   pyres going for   day and night   for days and days and days. It took a long time.   And I think that some of the photographs of some of those ended up in, you know, the propaganda   to   to put guilt on the Germans about that other thing that we're not allowed to talk about. But there's a there are laws against,   not believing in in the the,   Holocaust.  

There are laws in many countries that we are not allowed to talk about that. So anyway, I'm just saying that there are some of some of the tools they used to indoctrinate people are photographs.   And some of those photographs,   dare I dare say, came from Dresden and were the   the photographs of German   bodies  

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being burned. There's no doubt about that, Monica. I don't think there's any real doubt about that. I mean, we did a show here   on whenever it was in January, where we did a show about how are we supposed to talk about a historical event that we're not allowed to talk about. So we can't talk about it, but we can we can talk about why we can't talk about it. And it's a bit coy and wet and, you know, the thing is that anybody that's looked into some of these books understands fully what you're talking about as we all do here.   It's just that we're you know, there's still this situation where so many people are   unaware that there is even an alternative take on it. Although that situation, as you said,   is improving all the time.  

By improving, I simply mean that the awareness is building up. Anyway, I think we're we're just at the end of the first hour. And to lighten the mood a little bit, and we're gonna carry on, I'm particularly interested in falling through this theme with this sort of projection of guilt on people because it's been amplified obviously very much on the German people to this day. But I think we're also aware that the the same sort of psychological techniques have been rolled out for the whole of, let's call it, Western Christendom, whatever you wanna call it, the European people worldwide. Of course, the the Germans have taken the brunt of that and are still doing so today. And I think, you know, the the post war discussion is vital because we're involved in what is looking like an, a slightly different but also an equally sort of hellish sort of situation at the moment that's building up around us. Anyway,   so it's the end of the first hour. I'm going to play,   a song now,   from,   Charlie and his orchestra.  

And if you don't know who Charlie and his orchestra were, you need to.   Last week, we played a song from 1921.   Well, this is not as old as that. I don't know. I I can't give you the exact date, but I'm   assuming early nineteen forties.   Charlie and his Orchestra were a German jazz band, and they're very good if you like that sort of thing, and I do. This is called and you have to guess who it's about, the man with the big cigar is jolly good. And, we'll be back with everyone after this wonderful little tune.  

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Who is that man   with the big cigar?   Whose greatest   friend is the USSR.   He's known around   from near and far.   That actor man   with the big   cigar. He pops away every night's day where the twinkle in his eyes.   And all the while behind that smile lurks many an untold light. Don't wait all   way. You'll see his car.   He's here. He's there. He's everywhere.   The friend of the USSR.   We stand for vanquished.   It's the slogan of his land,   and he'll fight until it's finished, and there's no one left to stand.   He'll keep the red black lion,   no hammered black and blue,   for he's getting more than he bargained for, that fat friend of the Jew.  

So keep your chins up, one and all, and remember what I say.   If Britons were to Britain through,   they'd sent that man away. Who is that man   with a big cigar?   He's here. He's there. He's everywhere.   That man with a big cigar.  

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And welcome back to hour two.   We are talking about or we have been talking about during the first hour. We've got a good, a good selection of high quality guests here today. It's a really interesting sort of, arrangement of people. We've been talking about Dresden, and, we were talking in the first hour really about describing the events of it. It is the eightieth anniversary of Dresden literally right now, today. This very hour is when it started.   And,   we have, Monica Schaeffer   and, Dennis Wise and Eric von Essex.   And, Patrick is here. I'm here, of course. And, Thomas Anderson is here with us. And we've just been discussing the last bit, the the the projection of guilt   on the German people. And I wouldn't mind following through with that.  

I was just wondering, Thomas, what your views were about that. This the current situation in Germany, particularly, I guess, with regards to,   is there much what's the general sort of is there a general feeling about Dresden, or is it is it like it is over here? It's a kind of slightly hidden topic.  

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I think in,   let's say,   it is,   not talked about in in general public,   because   it's it's something very horrific. But, of course, it was justified   because Germans did so many bad things, and so so nobody's really talking about it. No.  

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No.   No. And the the thing that you were mentioning   just then, Monica, before we went to the break, this thing about these women,   Obama Harris do it again. I mean, that's   is this not a sign of the modern madness, the the sort of brain madness that's gone everywhere?  

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Yeah. If I may comment on that   further,   it is the madness. And   just a story of when Milford was at one of those commemorations   in Dresden A Few Years ago,   and after   he and his friends did,   their ceremony and their niches or whatever they were doing, they went   to the official   ceremony. I guess there was then an official ceremony,   and that was where he heard them say,   well, yes,   twenty five thousand   Germans died in the Dresden Attacks.   And then in the next breath,   this official   said oh, just pardon me. Ignore that phone in the background.   But, anyway,   the official said,   oh, you know, and the next day,   the Nazis   rounded up   the rest of the Jews   in Dresden   to send them to   their, you know, the concentration   camps.  

So in other words, you know, the Germans had nothing better to do   than to round up   the the Jews   who were still in Dresden after Dresden had been bombed to just just miderenges like like we have been   describing in the first hour.   So, again,   combining this really low   figure   that is nowhere near, you know, by orders of magnitude,   nowhere near the   actual number who very likely died, and we'll never know exactly how many.   And combine that with this thing about another you know, German guilt German guilt. So, oh, well, I guess they had it coming to them.   You know? So it it really is   unspeakable,   the evil of that, that they   cannot I mean, that itself is a crime. And I think you said that earlier, Paul, that this official   lie   is a crime in and of itself. And the Germans can never   grieve their losses because they have to be guilty forever.  

And   and secondly, they cannot even know or acknowledge or understand   the   actual   extent   of what was done to them. So it's like a double, triple, quadruple,   crime against the Germans   over to you.  

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It is.   It is. And, you know, the book you mentioned as well, the one by Benton Bradbury, The Myth of German Villainy,   if there's anybody out there that's not familiar with this or is slightly surprised by what we're talking about or feels that there can't be too much to it,   it's probably   I think it's the best primer. There are other books which go into it in greater detail, and they are very valuable. And any of us here have read those things, and that's how we've gained the knowledge   that we've got or the understanding that we have. But Bradbury's book is,   for a a neophyte or a newbie, whatever term you wanna use, somebody new into this arena   that wants to get to the bottom of it or senses that there is something to get to the bottom of, and there most definitely is. It's a wonderful introduction. He   takes people through the whole of the sort of mismatch of perceptions   with regards to Germany. And, you know, it has gotta be it doesn't have to be born in mind, but I'm gonna mention it here. Prior to 1914,   England and Germany had never had a war. In fact, they'd basically been allies most of the time.  

And the whole of that century, of course, when you now stand back and we can see it   through a different lens from a greater distance, it's got a a wholly   different perspective from the one that must have been   existing at the time when it was actually happening. There's a it's   I keep thinking about this all the time with regards to history. I mean, it's almost as if your view of it changes each time you bolt on   or tunnel into the information a little bit further. You get a slightly different perspective.   And,   there's a great,   there's a great biography of Napoleon. It's vast. It's by, sir Walter Scott.  

I was thinking of one day narrating it as an audiobook, but it's 2,800 pages long and would probably last about ninety hours. But at the very beginning of the book, he talks about the challenge of studying history or the historical writer,   saying that when a thing is going on around you at the time,   it's almost impossible to know fully exactly what it is that's going on, particularly when it's a hellish event or a turbulent event or something like this. You can't make sense of it. You've just gotta get through it.   But then it is the challenge of the historian or the re the researcher to get to the bottom of this and to build up the perspective to understand it more fully and why it was taking place in the way it was. And as I've mentioned before, Irving's book on Goebbels was a massive eye opener for me. It gave me a a a wholly new additional perspective   on the whole operations,   really, obviously, from the German side based on   the 75,000   pages of of diaries that Goebbels had written. So Irving has done   the most immense favor to so many people, and you know this because he's pilloried.  

Even now, even to this day,   that it's it's used by established historians as kind of shorthand for something that's not right, that there's something that he's gone off the rails. But, of course, he hasn't. He's more on the rails than just about any other historian that we know of. And his comprehensive understanding of that period of history, certainly from an English perspective, is he's in a he's in a league of one,   really, with the I mean, the the amount of work and everything, it's and and it's this detail that builds it up. But, Dennis, I wanted to ask you, you know, really just follow on with this line. After here we are in this post war period. Your your videos have covered more than just the conflict of of World War two. And, obviously, there's Adolf Hitler, the greatest story never told, which gives us the run up to that. But this sort of psychological warfare that's that's that we are in right now, this war, what's your kinda take on that? Where's what are your sort of current thoughts with regards to to this ongoing theme, this challenge in our lives? Well, can I just say before I pick that up that,  

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I'm I'm pretty sure,   I may be wrong, but somebody might correct me or not? But once the bombing   of of the first raids was over and people was coming out to the shelters,   didn't the Americans   bring the the airplanes in with the machine guns   to target civilians   the next day? Yeah. Yeah. So, again, it's it's proof of of of,   wanting the blood and the killing of many civilians as possible.   But, yeah,   as far as today, I   think I think it's quite plain   for everybody,   especially   in Europe   what the plan is, and that is basically to   to outbreed us.  

Also being whites,   mainly Christian   nations.   This this is a a holocaust of a in a different   evil way,   I believe.   When when a country like, say, The UK,   does the maximum to prevent all these people coming in   and the minimum   to kick even those who were found to be criminals out.   And I think I'm so sure that the intention   really is to get in. They haven't reached a full quarter yet to to outbreed this.  

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No.   No. And you've got there's a similar situation in Germany.   I understand, Thomas. Yeah. Thomas, is there a similar sort of situation in Germany? I mean, I know there is, but I'm just feeding you a line.   Thank you. Because it's what You know?  

[01:14:16] Unknown:

Well, I I would like to add something for for those listeners who might be not familiar with with what Monica and and Paul were talking about with this, topic we we are not allowed to talk about.   There is   perhaps you may remember there was a very famous violin   violin player called,   Minooin.   Yahuidi. Yeah. It was Yahuidi Minooin. And his son, Gerard Mennoheen,   lives in Switzerland, and he wrote a book.   In German,   the title is, let me tell   you,   In English, I guess it was tell the truth and chase the devil.   Yeah. And I would strongly, really strongly recommend for everybody who does not understand the topic to read this book because it's basically everything in there.   And,   coming   to, let's let's say, the the overall picture,   I know that there are there there's not only the the   historical topic of of what Germany did to to any other people where or what other people did to Germany.  

Well, that's that's one point. But putting this together in in a wider historical   framework,   you know, was the topic of my book. And and perhaps it's it it might be interesting for other people too because   I I   I researched all this because I had the question in my head,   why?   Why is there always of an ongoing fight between Germans and Jews? When you when you go back in history, it's always Germans and Jews again and again and again and again, and nobody really understands why.   And   I started my research with with a lot of ancestry research going back   really   far far back, and and and that led me finally  

[01:16:07] Unknown:

having a a family tree going back to Adam and Eve. That that sounds ridiculous, but but that can prove it and then anybody who would like Well, that's how we first met. Don't you remember? Yeah. Yeah. You were showing me that tree and I I remember speaking to other people. I said, I've just spoken to someone, and you never guess what I saw. I I was dazzled by it. It was absolutely amazing. Yeah. You might wanna say a little bit about that because, yeah, it's it's amazing for the work you did. That that that was the start of the research, and and it  

[01:16:35] Unknown:

it of course, at at the beginning, I was   always I was even not happy about it because it's somehow ridiculed   all my work, I thought. Because going back to Adam and Eve, that that's ridiculous. Nobody can do that. And and and then then I checked all and every piece of data I had in this tree again and again and again with with   multiple,   numbers of resources. And and and I found out according to the actual standards of of historical research,   it is true   so far as I can say. And and and Mhmm. Let let's take this as as the basic so called fact.   This led me to to the other things and and to the other stories,   that that   maybe the true explanation for why it is always about about Germans and Jews. Why there's an ongoing fight not since a hundred years, but since the beginning.  

Since ongoing for for more than many thousand years.   Of of course, at at the beginning,   those were not called Germans, but but they had a different name. And,   I then found out,   that that's all in my book. I don't want to talk about this, here again, and I don't want to repeat and everything. But anybody who is interested in in what is the the overall picture,   where did this start, why did this start, when did this start, by whom was it started,   then he should read my book.   When I go back to   the the, let's say, the Dresden time and and, we find the Germans there, when we go back in history, we we   we come to German tribes, which go back, let's say, a few hundred years   ago, and and then we come to the Roman Empire,   the the holy Roman Empire,   of German nation,   which it was called, which is not taught anymore in in in school today.  

And and when we go back through these Roman times, we've we we we find the,   that the Germans,   descend   from   the Assyrians, and and the Assyrians   descend from,   the Kainites. And the Kainites   descend, of course, from from Cain.   Cain and Abel, I'm I'm sure everybody remembers that.   And and the   the opposite side   was always   and since then, the the descendants or the the descendants of of of today's Jew Jewish people.   They had a special order.   They have an ongoing fight against every German,   which was in the Bible called Amalek, the Amalekites.   And and and the bible, it is said, we have an ongoing fight to to,   wipe out Amalek from the surface of the earth   from generation to generation until it's done.  

And and what we see now here is   is exactly this. It's it's the ant fights. They want to get rid of us.   And I think It's very interesting what you say, but I'm gonna jump in here. Right? Just Because we're gonna have to we're gonna have to do another we're gonna just I'll let you go. We're gonna have to do a show where we address that because I don't agree with you. I I know that you don't agree with me in detail. I I know that you don't agree with me in detail. You're talking about different names like the Israeli tribes, etcetera etcetera. But but that that's not the point. I guess we we can agree on on on the on the fact   that that there are two opposite sides,   fighting against each other for for hundreds and thousands of years for Thousands of years. Yep. Yep. With with which they do not know anymore today. Only a very few of very few people, a very small circle of people still knows what this is for, and and they they do everything to to keep it ongoing. But but,   I guess   when more people would be aware of what this all is is about, this this   stupidity and and and this nonsense to to fight for death, for   for for for serving someone completely else.  

We could end this tomorrow.   There there's no reason for it.  

[01:20:51] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:20:53] Unknown:

It's an extremely   I mean, I think about sort of entrenched behavior within races and tribes, and we've all got it. We're we're like you know, it's that thing like with fish.   You're born in you know, they're in water. They do you know it? No. There's lots of things that I realized today I was completely unconscious about two or three years ago, and I suspect that process is never gonna end.   You know, you you become aware of a thing that's been so obvious and staring you in the face, but you never saw it before.   The thing about sort of I know when I I remember when I was young, I I used to think, well, we can just change our behavior and everything, can't we? But the longer you live, you begin to see how difficult that is   and how   how it hasn't happened very much, if at all. So people are kind of born into sort of like tramlines a lot of the time, and I guess this is part of the   individual struggle   in a way   to see it more clearly. I mean, I think but we're gonna have to do a show on this because it's a it's a topic recently which has come up in some other conversations I've been having elsewhere,   and it's kind of I've been getting all my,   books out. I've got I've got about 18 inches of books next to my bed. I've got some in there. I could probably make a little settee out of them. There's that many, and I'm jumping around. I was talking to Monica earlier. She's she was saying yesterday or something. She's running out of bookmarks because you got all these books all over the place, and I'm exactly the same. But now where is it that bit and all this kind of stuff? And I'm suddenly faced with the sort of archivist problem of going, well, I know all the information's there, but I can't find it anymore. So it's that kind of stuff. But I think Monica has a comment that she'd like to make about what,  

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what Thomas just  

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said. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Just I think Monica, just blurts out. Just step in and shout. Yeah. Yeah. Shout. Go on. Just tell me to shut up. It's great. You can do that. Give permission.  

[01:22:42] Unknown:

Go on. Thank you. It's just an anecdote.   Thanks, Thomas. That was very interesting. And you should have tell us your the title of your book. I think I'm not sure if you mentioned it. But just before you do that,   the book by Yehudi Menuhin, the German title is better than the English title. At least,   I had a conversation with my brother Alfred about that because in German, it's   which is chase. And you did say that it's tell the truth and chase the devil.   That is actually better. The actual title is tell the truth and shame the devil. And why is chase the devil better? Because the devil feels no shame.   The devil cannot be shamed because the devil does not feel shame.  

So that is actually Very true. Yeah, it is. And then I'll just give you a little tiny,   story prison story when I was in jail in 02/2018   in Germany.  

[01:23:40] Unknown:

And What was this? You're you're a jailbird, Monica. What I know you are. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.   Please tell us.  

[01:23:49] Unknown:

So it was quite,   maybe a month or six weeks in,   and went to the church service. I had just been given permission for the church service, and all the timing was lucky on that because I witnessed the most beautiful, beautiful concert. And I it made me just weep because   it was so moving. But it was a young man who was singing,   you know, Handel and and Bach   and and a pianist   young woman accompanying.   And then there was another woman who was,   basically their handler, I guess, brought them into the prison. And it was the Yehudi Menuhin Foundation   who sponsored these   jail visits of, you know, musicians to go maybe twice a year into the jail for the for the benefit of all the people who were in there.  

And anyway, afterwards,   it there was a there were a few moments to chat.   So I was chatting with this woman who was their,   who came along, who brought these young people in, so their handler, I guess you could say. And I   you know, it was announced that it was the Yehudi Minujin Foundation that sponsored this. And so, you know, that's wonderful. And I just said to her, oh, I'm very familiar with   the name Yehudi Manuhin.   You know, just on the side, I mentioned that I played violin myself. So among violin players, that's a very well known name.   And I really appreciated   that they were doing this, you know, bringing musicians into the prison.  

And then I said, I and she was very interested, she really liked this, and and she was paying close attention to what I was saying and really engaging with me until I told her that   I'm also very familiar   with Yehudi Menuhin's son,   Gerhard Menuhin, because he wrote a very good book. And and I told her the name of the book, and we were speaking in German, so I told her the name of the book in German.   And at that moment,   it's like I just I became invisible.  

[01:25:51] Unknown:

And she Did you?  

[01:25:53] Unknown:

I became completely invisible,   and she kind of just   focused now on somebody next to me, or beside her, or whatever. And,   that was it. The conversation   between us was over.   I guess she maybe she knew of that book. Maybe she knew that, oh, the rest of the family   of, you know, the, Manuhin family, they had distanced themselves   themselves from Gerard Manuhin.  

[01:26:20] Unknown:

It's it's called dynamic silence.  

[01:26:24] Unknown:

Yes.   So that was just what I wanted to add, my little anecdotes.  

[01:26:31] Unknown:

Shaming the devil. I think Yehud it. I don't know if it's in that book. Yeah. I've not read the book,   although,   Maleficus has just put a link to it in the Rumble chat. So anybody listening, if you wanna get hold of a copy of that book, there's a link to a freebie PDF version, which I'll be grabbing as well,   although I might have a copy somewhere. But I I read maybe it's in this book. I don't know. Maybe,   he mentions it about his father, Yehudi.   As far as I'm aware, he never ever addressed   this issue of this great event,   that you are supposed to be cursed with.  

And the implication was that he never subscribed to it. He was,   I'm assuming, too intelligent to actually swallow it down and had integrity or whatever   and, never actually came out and supported   what we would call a certain sort of narrative. It's difficult to know exactly how to express it. I don't I don't know what sentences I'm supposed to use. I think how his  

[01:27:27] Unknown:

his, questioning,   you know, phase in his life came about is that,   it was his was it his father or his grandfather who had just died? No. His his grandfather, of course. It would and Mhmm. Then they were going through the attic, you know, just papers and this and that. He was finding all these things. And and Gerhard Manuen had spent   at least part of his growing up years in Germany going to school with German children.   And he couldn't understand   that these very nice German children that he played with and associated with, that this was the same   race of people who,   supposedly did this this evil deed.  

He just it did not compute for him. He he couldn't understand. So then when he found his grandfather's papers and newspaper clippings and this and that, and I'd have to reread the book now,   to   get the details of that. But then   things really started to open up in his head, and he goes, oh, I must look into this more.   These what was going on there. And that's when he started to really go to take the deep dive and do the research, and then that book came out of it. So that's just what I recall right now. But I I did buy multiple copies of the book at the time and was giving them out like like,   almost like candy to people that I just thought, you need to read this book. You need to read this book. So, anyway, yeah, it's a good recommendation.  

Back to you.  

[01:28:54] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, I just saw your comment as well coming back to you,   Thomas. The title of your book in both English and German.   The title of your book. What is it? I would love to.  

[01:29:07] Unknown:

The title in German is and   the title in in English is the same only translated as this world conspiracy.   I I'm not very happy with the title.   It was simply because my book had so many different topics,   where we we we simply couldn't find a good word,   summarizing   everything in it. And so my my publisher   in in in German,   had the idea of okay. Let let's let's simply call it something like conspiracy. A conspiracy always sells good, and,   then we we simply took this word, world conspiracy.   At the end, it came out that,   it it fit very good,   fit very well together with the title of the second book. The second book is called Space Conspiracy   and, or or Beltraum for Schwirung in in in German language,   which   then adds on what was already   explained in the first book and and   gives the overall picture   with the now time.  

In in the first book, you you go back to the very beginning.   Where   was mankind   made,   by whom   was mankind   made, what for was mankind made,   and what were the difficulties that they discovered at that time and and the problems.   And   when we come back to the time we are living now, we, of course, experience everything   what is the result of of all these thousands of years of of, development.   And, it's it's thrilling.   I didn't have the   the overall picture,   at the end of of finishing my first book, and and,   I I I wrote this first book because I I researched   all these topics, of the book for for   more than two decades,   and I couldn't think of anything   else.  

And I was mad about this because I I wanted to have a normal life. I I I wanted to think about normal things. And and so I I thought maybe writing it down would help me. And it did indeed, it helped me.   I had,   run about six weeks, and and then,   suddenly, a friend of mine from from China, a lady,   gave me a link to a video, and and I I watched the video and said this this can't be.   And then I watched the second video and and the fiftieth video and the hundredth.   Video. And and I said, okay. I I have to write the the second book because this is the answer and this is this this puts it all together.   So I think   when you want to have a summary of of everything, what is really important to know, you you should read both books.  

And and there are   many pages. I don't   perhaps 50 or 60 pages only of sources.   So if if you wanna read many books, interesting books, you you will find a a very good list of them in in those two books.   And,   friends of mine and and and also   normal let's let's let's call them normal customers   who read those books,   have written to me and and told me that, it's,   at the beginning, quite quite tough to read those books because,   they are so compressed   that   every sentence, every phrase, every words,   every word has has a meaning and and and must be regarded as important   because,   the the topics are so so dense and and the the the space of of 400 pages or whatever they have,   is is not big enough to to put in, like,   filling phrases,   nice weather outside, etcetera. So you get a full   packed,   information there about   everything important you need to know to understand the situation we are living in now. And what we are living in now, we can look out, of the window. We can watch television, mainstream videos, and and and media   and reports. So we are very close to,   maybe   a third World War,   and   it could literally begin tomorrow.  

I I wonder why it hadn't already begun, and   maybe it can be stopped.   But, the the   the situation is so strange and so mad in in in many details   that   with with the normal   newspaper knowledge or school knowledge,   you have absolutely no chance to understand it. So you have to dig deep.   And, I just read something. I I had to smile about it. I I   think her name was   Candice Owens or   some sort of celebrity.   And and there there was a short small picture,   giving a citation for of her telling,   everybody who is by now not a conspiracy theorist is stupid   or not intelligent enough, something like this. And,  

[01:34:20] Unknown:

yeah. Well, I think She's you're right. You know? I mean, one of the things about all these conspiracy theories, Thomas, is,   I mean, I know that they came up with that label to denigrate anybody that does that, and some conspiracy theories are a bit out there. Right?   But I've always used the frame conspiracy analyst because it seems to me to make so much sense. But the other issue we have now is that so many of those conspiracy so called theories   have proven themselves to be true and are proving themselves to be true all the time.   It's like the magician is revealing his tricks and the bamboozlement has deepened to a a degree.  

They're, you know, going around in public demonstrating the fact that they're fooling you directly, but people have become certain people have become so sort of hypnotized by it that they can't even   sense that.   It's very powerful. I mean, I'm sure their little psychological warfare units have been working like billio,   when all this kind of stuff really started.   And we've mentioned here on the show repeatedly, really, that we tend to to the view that World War three began   the minute World War two ended. It's just been in a different phase. There's been a lot of softening up. There's been a lot of preplanning for it. But now it's you know, we're in a period where it should be becoming obvious, and it is becoming obvious to an ever increasing number of people. I think we're still challenged, though, with knowing quite what actions   would be the best ones to take,   because we're not used to it as a body of people. We're used to, whether we like it or not, being led. And breaking out of that is like a very deep conditioning that you only begin to sort of bump up against when you start to ask all these questions. And just coming back to your book, very important point, where do people get a copy or copies of the two books? Where would they go to purchase them?  



[01:36:07] Unknown:

You can find it on Amazon.  

[01:36:10] Unknown:

Right. Very, very simple.   Aren't they the enemy?   We can't go there.   Use the I want to send you a check-in the post with a quill, and you're supposed to package it up and send it to me with a with a big long letter that you write with your fountain pen. Eric will sell you a fountain pen. You you'll have to get a fucking whole fountain pen. Yeah? Okay. Paul, it's Paul, it's very simple. Let the enemy work for you.   Yeah. No. We   have to we use whatever's available, don't we? We use whatever we can. Absolutely.  

[01:36:41] Unknown:

If I could just button come in a little bit here. Go on. Butt away.   Oh, butt away. Shall I? Yeah. What I was gonna say is,   you said earlier about,   killing innocent civilians.   And this reminded me of when I was at school,   we had   a what they call a contract teacher come in because,   our ordinary history teacher,   was on holiday. So we had this fellow come in. He was a freelancer. I suppose you haven't been in Canada or Germany, don't you? So freelance teachers go go around. Anyway,   on with the story. And this fella,   was one of the best teachers I think we've ever had. Because   when we did history, it was absolutely boring. You know, king this, queen that,   going way, way, way back. And this fella did modern history, which we never did at school.  

And we had two weeks of modern history. And, of course, everybody is fascinated.   And,   he was a great communicator, and I learned a hell of a lot in that two weeks. And it turned out that, during World War two,   he was in the RAF. He was in, maintenance, I believe, of the he wasn't a pilot.   And he was in the Far East.   And,   the RAF were linked to the United States Army Air Force in the Far East.   So I think they use the same,   landing strips, etcetera, etcetera.   And he said,   near the end of the war in Japan,   and this is on the last day he said this before he walked out the room. I mean, it's all sad to see him go. And he said,   on the near the end of the war, they run out of targets.  

And he said, you won't find this in the history books,   but   the RAF and the United States Army Air Force were ordered to shoot at anything that moves. It doesn't matter whether it's Red Cross. It doesn't matter whether it's a hospital, children,   adults.   Just   create,   complete panic and trauma   in Japan.   And that's what they did. They just flew over Japan,   shooting at anything. And he said, you will not find that in any history books, but I know that to be a %   true.   And he said, do not believe   everything   that you read   in the history books, he said, because there's two sides to every story.  

Remember that, and you won't go far wrong. And he walked out.   I've never forgotten it.   So   I assume they had a possible similar policy   in   over Germany.   Sort of so  

[01:39:14] Unknown:

I I found that passage about Churchill   based talking about basting.   There's just here, I'll read just a brief passage of it. Mister Churchill this is from   David Irving's book on the destruction of Dresden.   Mister Churchill, too, had considered the JIC report on the implications of the new Soviet offensive.   Late on 01/25/1945,   before going off for a drink with president   Franklin d Roosevelt's emissary,   Harry Hopkins,   Churchill had phoned sir Archibald   Sinclair,   his secretary of state, for air   to inquire what proposals   bomber command had, as he put it, for, quote, basting the Germans   in their retreat from Breslau.  

And   there was, of course, no military retreat from Breslau. The city had been declared a fortress   several months before. The retreat from Breslau   was entirely an evacuation   of noncombat   combatants.  

[01:40:17] Unknown:

So  

[01:40:18] Unknown:

Nice guy.   Yeah.   Lovely.   Top bloke.   Yeah. Amazing. The chap? This,  

[01:40:26] Unknown:

sorry. Eric. Is that okay? Well, real quickly, the chap I worked with,   who was   a navigator during World War two, he was Polish and used to swear like a trooper.   Almost every other word that he came out with was a swear word. And I think that may have been something to do with maybe a shell shot that he experienced or something from the war. But   what happened, he was in the Polish army,   and he came over here at the beginning of the war, and he went into the, Polish,   branch of the RAF.   And because he was studying to be, I think in architecture,   he became a navigator because   surveying and that type of thing, very similar.  

But, anyway, he was on the Dresden raid, and,   I'm not sure what wave he's on, but I think he's on one of the later waves.   Because he said for over 20 miles, you could actually see the sky. It was absolutely   a light. It was just bright. And he said, he looked, they when they flew over the target,   they flew as high as they could.   And he said, the engines, they put it on full power.   And he said, the the wings used to sometimes bend with the sort of bow over with the load.   And as they got closer and closer to Dresden,   he said he could   his navigational work wasn't really needed because they knew exactly where they were going because they had the pathfinder,   mosquitoes flying underneath.  

And he said it was a miracle how bombs didn't drop on other   bombers, which they probably did. But on with the story, he said he saw trees being ripped up by the roots,   cars rolling over, and people rolling over. And now how he saw that from 15,000 feet, I do not know, but that's what he told me.   But what he did say   was that he felt the bottom of the plane,   and it was hot from the radiating heat coming up from Dresden.  

[01:42:25] Unknown:

And Yeah. He was As a navigator, he was probably using telescopes.  

[01:42:30] Unknown:

Maybe.   Maybe. Maybe. And he said the sights he saw were   horrific.   Absolutely   horrific.   And,   that I've said I've said that horrific that he'd use a lot of f words and a lot of words.  

[01:42:45] Unknown:

Well, he he was training to become an architect, Eric. Right? And we know what architects are like with their foul language, don't we?  

[01:42:53] Unknown:

Well, someone said, because his name was Mac. He said,   he said,   who's he? I said, oh, he's the effing architect. So sorry. Everybody roared.   But, you know, but, also, he used to, used to be arrogant with people.   And,   someone another contract because I was freelancers. Another freelance bloke came in. He said, he's arrogant.   He says,   he hasn't been arrogant to me. I said, oh, don't worry. Give him time. I said, that means he likes you if he's arrogant to you. Because the poor saw what happened after the war.   His wife, I think, stayed in Poland during the war. The Red Cross linked them up. She came over here.  

And,   but I think he wishes she hadn't because   she actually nagged him and nagged him and nagged him, and he couldn't stand.   And he's going through a life of hell. So the poor sub went through all that during the war.   Then the Red Cross found his wife, and he had a son, like a second war. I should really laugh after the war with his wife.   But,  

[01:43:59] Unknown:

anyway Which was worse, only he would be able to tell you. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah.   I I, I want to mention someone who can't be here tonight because he's no longer alive. And we did do a show about him, a really dear friend of many of us. Dennis knew him. I knew him very well.   A man whose book Hellstorm is really instrumental in me jumping into this field. I read it in 02/2014.   That's Thomas Goodrich.   And,   Tom would have been invited.   And had he had the energy, it would have been wonderful to have his company this evening, but we can't. He,   he left us when was it? November, I think.  

October or November.   My apologies for that. That seems like a long time ago right now,   but a wonderful guy. And for those of you that have not read Hellstorm,   it's,   extremely sober reading.   Let's put it that way. But I think it's very important to read it because   it reveals   the intent of the other side with what they're willing to do, which is basically anything.   And,   the,  

[01:45:05] Unknown:

there's Yeah. We can hear you. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt you. Yes. A very good recommendation, but I would strongly would like to add something to that. For for everybody or for anybody who is interested in reading that book, Hellstorm,   be   aware.   That is really heavy stuff.   I tried to start it many times,   and and I think it was   fourth or fifth attempt   where I finally could read at least 10 pages of it.   When you are over the the introduction,   it starts right to the point, and and the the scenery which is described there and and the details   are no doubt true,   which which makes it even worse   because they are so unspeakable,   that it's extremely   tough to read this book   to to realize   what has happened,   why, to to whom,   and and and how often.  

It it was a real tough book to read.  

[01:46:13] Unknown:

Yeah. It is.   I mean, it is. Tom was the most   easygoing   and charming guy. I loved him to bits. He was just a lovely guy, very softly spoken, very thoughtful.   And,   I asked him I don't know if we've got it recorded somehow. I remember discussing with him how he came   about the information, and he was saying that down in Florida so I don't know. I mean, I think the book was published 02/2009,   was it, or 02/2010?   I I got a copy 02/2014   anyway, a few years after it had been initially published.   And,   down in Florida, a lot of retirement homes as everybody's aware of, and there were a lot of German people there.   And,   he was a trained historian anyway. He'd written books about,   the US Civil War and Scalp Dance, which is an amazing book, which is about the   challenges that the,   white people, let's put it that way, because they came from faced when they were moving west across the plains in their confrontations with the Red Indians, and it's not all love and light. Let's put it that way. It's just a savage in its own way as you read in Hellstorm.  

Tom had this ability or this capacity to be able to lay these things down,   in a very calm sort of way, and that's what makes the impact of them that much more dreadful, to be quite honest.   But he he started to visit these old people's homes   as part of his research, and he met many Germans that had literally gone through it. Many old women who were young girls at the time and older older chaps who had managed to survive it. And it was from talking to them and getting their firsthand accounts.   And many of them are in the book,   and it's extremely moving. I can't describe it any other way. I've mentioned before that when I first read it, I had to stop and go for a walk around the garden every sort of fifteen or twenty minutes to get my breath back   because,   it's the first time and probably would be the first time for anybody that when you read something like this, you can't really believe it. It's that foul.  

And yet he's done a great service because of it because,   it's important to know that these things happen. And, actually, a shout out to someone who's not been on this show, Karen, if you get to hear this.   Karen, I mentioned this book to her a few months ago, and she went off and bought it and read it while she was taking a break in Costa Rica of all places.   And I was just,   she was okay with reading it. I mean, actually, I need to probably sort of question her a little bit more about it, but it was amazing that she went off. I was amazed by that. Normally, I've mentioned this book to people,   and,   understandably, they don't really want to sort of jump all over it. It's not like, I've got a really wonderful book for you to read. It's a horrible book. And I used to say this. I said, Tom, you've written the most horrible book in the world. It's awful. You know? And it really is.  

But that's where its great strength strength lies. Yeah, Monica.  

[01:49:07] Unknown:

Ditto to everything you've said,   and it is essential reading. It it's so difficult.   It also took me quite a long time to work my way through it because I would put it down   for, you know, a few months, and then I'd pick it up again. And I basically made myself read to the end. It's very difficult reading, but it should be essential   reading. That's how I see it. So,   yes, ditto to all you have said.  

[01:49:35] Unknown:

Yep. Well, I obviously must have liked it because I ended up doing the audiobook, and that was quite a thing as well just to sort of stay steady on that. But, the first time through was the worst. Let's put it that way.   And,   but an amazing guy. So, Tom, if you're listening   in in great part, this show's for you, for the great work that you did because, certainly, I wouldn't be here probably, you know, and got drawn into looking at all of this   without that book.   I was looking at other books as well at the time, but this one has got an impact that's unlike any other. I think that's true to say. And therefore, if you haven't read it, I strongly recommend that you do and take your time over it. You might need to pause quite a bit, but,   you must become familiar with it. I think one of the on a positive note, on a very moving note, there's a scene towards the end of the book   of   a German infantryman, if that's the right probably not the right, returning home, and his mother had not seen him for, like, seven years. He'd he'd gone away in 1938. And,   he came back,   and his mom didn't recognize him.  

She didn't even know who he was. She walked past him twice in the street, and, he was so altered by what had taken place.   And no doubt, those moments like that occurred on many sides. I accept all that. I'm not trying to, you know, say,   people had a greater emotional impact on one side than another, but it's very telling in the context of what happened.   And the main point about that book, and this is brings us right into today as well,   and is yet again, and a fact that we've said many times and will no doubt say it many more times, is that more Germans were killed after the war than during it. And when you take into account Dresden and the other great calamities,   that really does need to be borne in mind   because it shows that the intent   was pretty much   this wretched quote from Churchill again where he said, and I'm paraphrasing from memory, he said, this war is not against Hitler on National Socialism,   but it's against the strength of the German people, which must be wiped out once and for all. That's the gist of it. I've mulled it a little bit, but that's what Churchill was saying   towards the late thirties, which, of course, is really rather odd because in the early thirties or even in the '20, he was championing,   said very positive things until   I suspect he got a little word in his ear. This is all I can it's a guess on my part, but I suspect strongly   that that's really what happened to him.  

So yeah.   And and Benton Bradbury's book is in a it's a gentler take. So if you're new to this, I would start off with Benton Bradbury,   really, and the myth of German villainy if you're an English reader. And, and for German readers, head on over and pick up, Thomas's books.   Yeah. And English readers too. But,  

[01:52:18] Unknown:

my my what my father found   is that,   people would believe the propaganda   and tell him,   and look down upon him, which was very frustrating,   even though he was there and he was an eyewitness  

[01:52:35] Unknown:

to the different things. The power of propaganda.  

[01:52:38] Unknown:

Yeah. And the I mean,   I could go on for ages about some of the   frustrations that he had. That's why he wrote a book. Took him ten years to write because he just got so fed up with people believing a pack of lies   and not wanting to hear the truth.  

[01:52:56] Unknown:

Yeah. The question is how many people actually know about Dresden and what happened   and know that it even happened?   If you just ask ask the man on the street, I doubt very many know anything about it.   And the fact of the matter is why why was it targeted? Why was Dresden targeted? I mean, this goes back   to   I believe it was 1882.   This is this is kind of,   the, I think, a a reason that that   it's been such a a hard thing to to muster up the reasoning why. But   it was the first meeting of the anti Semitic party   was in Dresden. We know that there was   a meeting of the World Zionist Congress. The first one was in Basel, Switzerland. Well, the first anti Semitic party meeting   was in 1882 in Dresden.  

And   I've learned a lot about this from reading about Karl Lueger,   who was, the Vietnamese   or v v Viennese,   mayor   around that time   and one of the heads of it of the antisemitic party as it was called.   And and the fact that it it's been such a a taboo subject   because what ends up getting happening is the guilt gets placed on people to this day.   They get called this name antisemitic   that dates back to Dresden,   and this tragedy of what happened to Dresden   is projected onto   the labor camps.   And the what   this and and we're dealing with this to this day. We have area bombings going on in Gaza,   and we have   similar type   hardly form of warfare that's taking place.  

You have people remotely controlling drones from thousands of miles away   bombing innocent people all the time.   And this is this is what we're gonna have to rectify one of these days is how is this gonna end?  

[01:55:05] Unknown:

Yes.   Well, I think one of the things that Tom covers so well in his book is the psychological wear warfare side,   particularly from Ehrenberg in Russia.   And, as Monica mentioned earlier, Sefton Delma, who was the head of sort of black ops over here. And one of the things that's very revealing in the Goebbels diaries,   because Goebbels was no slouch when it came to this sort of stuff, but this very odd sort of   relationship   by distance that he had with Churchill. It was obviously not a relationship, but his observations of Churchill's lies and which ones he was going to use. It has to be borne in mind that propaganda is being waged all over the place. And,   one of the things that Tom makes,   one of his point is that, basically,   the Germans were outgunned on the propaganda stakes. And I think   when you look at it and you look at what we're enduring now, this   mind conditioning through the colossal power of the media, which is not perceived to be colossal, but peep you know, in the same way that fish don't see that they're swimming in water, it surrounds us all the time.  

And as we've mentioned here before, it's not so much what they include. It's what they omit.   It's what's not known. And you were just saying that most people are not up to speed on this other account.   They don't know it. They don't know that there is another account.   They don't know that there is an account from the so called losers of the war. But, of course, as I would suggest that we were all losers, the Germans, of course, in the most dreadful way through events like this.   And,   you know, this process carries on.   And it's our governments that are obviously now I mean, this is no longer shorthand. It's not like, oh, the bloody government. It's like literally, yes, the bloody government.  

Wherever you are, these are the great sort of curses that we have upon us. And, Eric, I'm coming back to that thing you wrote a couple of weeks ago about Poland, you know, after the fall of the wall, where they didn't have a government for two years and everything flourished.   And I suspect that's what would happen just about everywhere if we got back to sort of local governance   and started to take control of our lives back into our hands. But, of course, we've been trained, or the great mass have been trained, to look to government for the answer as a god all the time to sort out our problems. You know? This thing this thing happens all the time. Anyway, we're coming   towards the end of our slot on WBN right now.  

So,   I wanna thank you on WBN. We will, of course, be back at the same time next week. We're gonna carry on talking.   Dennis is probably gonna leave us shortly. So, Dennis, I'll let you say a few words just after the break. I'm gonna play a song here to play us out at the end of the show. We'll be back again here on WBN,   same time next week, But we're carrying on the show for a little while longer over on Rumble. So if you wanna connect into that,   head on over to paulenglishlive.com.   Click the Rumble link, and you will hook up with all the other reprobates in the chat room and and what they're doing there. So that's fine. We're gonna I've got another little song. I've just dig dug this one out. This is,   this is another Charlie,   and his orchestra. This is very English, song. This is t for two. I think it might be English. I don't know. Anyway, we're gonna play we're gonna play out with this right now, and we will see you on the other side of the break. And, as I said, back again next week.  



[01:59:09] Unknown:

We are mighty strong in Germany,   which causes England's   jealousy.   She doesn't like   our dignity.   She wants to rule the seas alone.   No one could like us.   Everyone should hide us. No friends or relations.   No weekend vacation.   We won't have it known that we even own   a dime for a glass of beer.   England's humanity   is the state.   The world soon awake.   That'll be all break.   Our birthday cake   would be   come on. Have fun in Germany.   We will raise a world's family.   Let's all live in harmony.   How can't you see how happy we would be?  

[02:01:21] Unknown:

And, welcome back to,   well, the beginning of the third hour.   And, we're, we're off WBN right now, but we're still carrying on here on Rumble.   And, Dennis, I just mentioned that you might have to take your leave. Is there any,   any sort of closing comment you would like to make now? And just to let you know, we will I I'd like to get you back on pretty soon so we can all have a little bit more mic time. Everybody's been brilliant tonight because Yeah. Everybody's aware that we've got quite a few voices around the mics, but I think it's kinda worked really well. But, No problem. Any any sort of parting shots or anything you'd like to say to us to support the reason, you know, close out the show?  

[02:01:57] Unknown:

Can can you hear me? Yeah? Yeah. I can hear you. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No. The main reason I came on, like I said, I'm no expert.   And I just wanted to hear what people have to say, and and I'm quite happily sitting in the background listening lots of the time. Very interesting,   on what is, you know,   a a real sad occasion.  

[02:02:17] Unknown:

It is.   It is. Yeah. It is a sad occasion,   and it seems to indicate and point to even more sad occasions if we don't   get our act together. But,   yeah.   Well, I'd love to have you back anyway at some point soon. So we'll we'll have a chat. And,   thanks for all your great work. And if you wanna catch or get hold of any of, Dennis's videos, head over to moneytreepublishing.com.   All three major videos. Are there any sort of selling you want to do? Anything you wanna promote or say about that, Dennis, right now while we're Well, I think  

[02:02:49] Unknown:

I think   more than my documentaries is I'm quite sure there's there's other material over there will be, people will be happy to browse through, especially Mhmm. The health stone ones there as well. So, yeah, no problem.  

[02:03:01] Unknown:

Wonderful.  

[02:03:02] Unknown:

Well, I'm glad your health's improving. It's been great to hear you. Yeah. Eric. Oh, Monica. No. It was me. You're a very humble man, and we appreciate your work so much.   I will never forget   the first time I actually watched   the first of those major documentaries,   this the greatest story never told.   And   it was really quite profound,   the impact it had on me and then the subsequent,   you know, communism through the back door and then the the the next one, the secret masonic victory of World War two.   And so, yeah, I just wanna say a a shout out to you for all that work,   And you're very humbled, you know, so I appreciate that too.  



[02:03:50] Unknown:

I appreciate your words. Yeah. Thank you. And   all the best to your brother and,   and the rest of of your friends.  

[02:03:58] Unknown:

Oh, thank you. And, yeah, you have a good good night.  

[02:04:02] Unknown:

Okay. Good good night, everybody.   Night, Dennis. Thank you. See you soon. Keep well. Bye for now. Bye bye. Night. Night.   Dennis Wise, everybody, and I'm sure many of you will be familiar with his work. But if you're not,   you need to,   get familiar with it because it's, really important stuff, very much in a similar vein to the discussion that we've been having here today, but   covering the free masonic aspect and communism through the backdoor,   which of course is really you could we could still call it communism that we're actually enduring right now. Over here in England, of course, we have   Starmer Stalin,   who's   a a full blown retarded   high powered socialist   globalist   doodad and, very much in line with all of this kind of stuff, the sort of nonsense that we're having to deal with.  

Of course, in Germany,   haven't you got a,   what's this AFD lock,   Thomas? What's going on with the AFD in Germany?  

[02:05:04] Unknown:

Is Thomas Thomas not with us?  

[02:05:07] Unknown:

Oh, he's legged it. Gone. Well, he seems Gone. Oh, hang on. Let me just have a look. Oh, no. He's there. He seems to have disappeared off the   I'll add him back to the stage. Thomas, are you there? I'm back again. Yep. I'm there. Oh, I see. You had to go yeah. I see. You had to go and get some whatever it was. What do I say? Venus schnitzel or something or beer? No. That's What is it?   Is it oh oh, look. I'm being corrected all the time. I wish I'd never used the word bloody expert right on. Not everybody's denying it all the time. I never use I thought they use it all the time. They have experts in every single newspaper column. I thought, well, we'll be one then. We'll be experts. Right? Trust the experts. Trust the experts.   You trust us, everybody. We know what we're talking about. You don't know anything. We're experts, you see, whatever that seems.  



[02:05:52] Unknown:

An x is past. Of the   oh, sorry. Sorry. Just very quick. I was gonna say, an x is past,   and,   a spur is a continuous drip. So that's it. Sorry. Carry on, Thomas.  

[02:06:06] Unknown:

You asked me That's an English joke.  

[02:06:09] Unknown:

You asked me about the AfD in Germany.  

[02:06:12] Unknown:

Yes. Am I gonna regret this?  

[02:06:17] Unknown:

Well,   okay. Where to begin?   The AfD is led by that,   missus Vital. Missus Vital is a former Goldman Sachs lady.   So she she comes from the banking business and  

[02:06:35] Unknown:

and from a very special  

[02:06:37] Unknown:

from a very special banking business. So,   well,   competence must must   rise   somewhere.   You must be educated somewhere. So so it it's not necessarily a bad sign, but but I'm I'm very skeptic.   However,   she is doing great,   in the interviews, and and and she is,   telling people directly   into their face what what things are going on here and and how things are going on then.   So the alternative to missus Wider from the FD is Friedrich Merz.   Friedrich Merz   was, as it seems, as I posted in my channel some days ago,   treated in a hospital for mental instability because he obviously tried to commit suicide in in 02/2016   or something.  

I don't recall it quite exactly, but I think it was 02/1617,   something like that.   And and the the medical paper is shown on on that post,   with a copy and and with the exact diagnostic term.   Frederic Merz already   said very clearly what he will do when he is elected chancellor of Germany. He will send weapons of mass destruction,   long range missiles to Ukraine,   which will then, of course, be used to   targets within Russia,   which will, of course, lead to an answer of Russia. Yeah. And and I I might add, of course, to the origin of those problems.   So   Mhmm. What what he surely will do is not send a member of his family to the front,   but, he will send   long range missiles to the front and to Russia,   and then,   very   probably   lead us into a a a hot war with Russia.  

And,   I told you already this in in a I I think it was two shows ago.   The German army   has a stock of ammunition which   lasts for exactly   two days   of a full rage war.   And and two days is a kind of blitzkrieg. And and okay. Blitzkrieg is a German invention, but the blitzkrieg today against Russia within two days is   is quite a challenge, I guess. So I I'm also that. Quite a challenge. Yes.   I I I'm also very skeptic on on this position.   So I I tend to have the opinion   that that this will be a bad situation   for for Germany, although German people, not not Friedrich Mads perhaps.   On the other side, we have Olaf Scholz, the the man who forgot everything,   and and and and Harbeck as as minister of destruction. This is,   not not destruction. The word was was business. Yeah. Business.  

He ruined Germany within a very short time, and and   you cannot even tell it was stupidity because   even a stupid guy somehow somehow sometimes   picks a good thing. But but they didn't pick any good thing.   They they ruined really everything   extremely fast and brutal   and and and and   fundamental.   So Yeah.   When we are looking at the different states in Germany where they have local parliaments,   also with AFD, CDUS, BD, etcetera, all those parties, and and especially in in the former middle part of Germany, the so called Eastern German part of of Germany, the so the former German Democratic Republic,   where we have the AfD sitting with a majority in many of those parliaments.  

But, we don't see the AfD ruling in those countries in in those states. Why? Because there is a so called Brandmauer,   a firewall against the AfD.   The so called democratic   parties,   tell   everybody to,   not work together, and they don't want to work together with the nondemocratic party, the the the AfD.   So they they,   reject   anything,   which might look like they are working together or even accepting the votes of the AfD.   And they have minority   governments within all those   local states of Germany where the AfD has the majority.   So even if the AfD has the majority,   they cannot rule because all those other parties will then build a coalition between two, three, four parties   and and and try to rule against the majority,   which this is what what has been done. So when we are looking at the   now coming election in in February   in,   all of Germany,   where we have the parties like CDU, CSU,   SPD, the green, the left, and and the AfD,   we are talking about basically the same situation. As long as the AfD has less than 51%,   there will be a minority government against the AfD.  

So even if the German people try to to vote   in majority for the AfD,   they will end up with a minority government with CDU, SPD, and green.  

[02:12:19] Unknown:

Well, I'm shocked. I'm glad you're skeptical,   for I remain skeptical too. But it was interesting what you said about her saying many of the right things.   Since mister Trump has arrived,   he says things that everybody wants to hear as well.   I won't trust him as far as I could throw him because I don't think he's in charge. I suspect the people that head up the AfD are not really in charge.   Whenever Elon Musk runs around the world now, he's always supporting people and saying things  

[02:12:48] Unknown:

and doing stuff. Yeah. Let me add something. Sorry.   The the origin of the AfD.   I don't recall   now the name, but I know the name of the founder of the AfD is a buddy of   some American   CIA general,   very famous name.   They're probably just good friends, play golf, and everything. There's nothing in it. Of course. They they they only drink beer together. That that's the whole story. Nothing nothing to see here, ladies and gentlemen. Please go on.   I don't recall the name. I'm sorry about that. But but it's I think it's easy to Google that. So How old is the party?  

[02:13:30] Unknown:

Excuse ten years. Excuse.  

[02:13:31] Unknown:

Oh, not that. Very young. Very young. Very young.  

[02:13:38] Unknown:

It it's it's on my tongue, that name. But the Don't worry about it. It's fine. We'll be doing a heads of the CIA quiz later on this year so we can all bone up on it and get it right. I won't worry about that. We're not you know, it's just CIA's fair enough. They've got their hands up everybody's  

[02:13:54] Unknown:

rear ends. Now now now the story gets even worse.   So even if we had if if we would have a situation where the AfD just by by chance and good luck gets the absolute majority of 51%,   then we are still in a Germany,   which is no state.   This is what we told we we talked about in in one of the last shows. Yes. Because the the legal situation of Germany is is devastating. It's it's simply it it it it's it's not existing.   It doesn't exist.   The the we we have no constitution. We still have the basic law of of   the occupied country, the basic law according to the Hager Kriegsordnung.   Mhmm. It's article   44,   40 five. I don't know exactly.  

For the time of the occupation, the country has to have a basic law, which we call,   to to have everything in order and and working correctly.   And and, within   the so called Grundgesetz, the German Basic Law, the last article of the law, very easy to find. Go to the last page, read it. This Grundgesetz   is not a constitution.   It's very clear, very clear words. This is not a constitution.   And and and the will will cease to exist,   at that moment when the German people will give themselves   a constitution   in free and secret,  

[02:15:23] Unknown:

voting elections. I have a question for you. A question on that topic of this constitution and Grundgesetz and all of that.   And maybe part of this question is rhetorical, but,   do the children learn   about this in school?   That's the first part of the question.  

[02:15:42] Unknown:

I   mean, so witty, Monica. Is rhetorical the second It's it's nice nice that  

[02:15:48] Unknown:

I'm forced to laugh at at this time of the day. Very nice. Very nice. Yeah. No.   No.  

[02:15:57] Unknown:

I'm sorry. Okay. What do they learn? What do they learn in school about their their own   government?  

[02:16:06] Unknown:

About the well,   I must confess, it's already a little   long ago, longer ago since I went to school.   What I learned at school was, I I think compared to today, rather   good.   I think the things have gone south since then.   What I learned at school about German politics,   I went to school before 1990,   so,   I   was in a legal state. At least we had a with,   with a with an area of existence.   This comes to the second point. So when we when we are talking about Germany, you tend to to think that we have a constitution. I told you we don't have a constitution. We have Grundgesetz. Okay. So, yes, we have a Grundgesetz.   Well, a Grundgesetz, a basic law, must have an area of,   existence of of of, where it is valid.  

But the article in the Grundgesetz   where it was mentioned this Grundgesetz is valid in the area of Baden Wurttemberg Saxony during   Barba area, etcetera,   was deleted in 1990.   And and now tell me, where   is that law valid when you delete the article where it is written where it is valid?  

[02:17:28] Unknown:

So basically You're gonna have to get your paperwork sorted out. It sounds a right mess over there. Who's done that? Right? You know, we've got this impression of German administrative efficiency. Well, it's obviously up, you know, without a paddle, isn't it? It it there's some there's some   very rude and blunt comments, I should just say.   AFD Warren writes that AFD stands for a one sh of bankers. This is a   British,   sort of joke, a wench of bankers. And, Harvey is swearing like mad. It stands for any effing difference. Does it make any effing difference? So,   yes, I'll just let you know that we've got some rather rude people in the chat, and I'm very glad of it, by the way. And also just another little comment,   from Aunt Sally, just, hopping back a bit. I just like to read a few of these things out. Aunt Sally, welcome, this evening. Aunt Sally, hope you've had a bath and everything and all that kind of stuff. And she writes, she said, I found Hellstorm a very tough read,   but it enabled me to connect the dots. It also destroyed the myth that we were the good guys once and for all. Oh, the lies indeed. Oh, the lies. And what lies are being told now, rivers of them. All those heroic war films, she writes, we had to watch as children. In the sixties, all that propaganda, all lies.  

Yeah. It was. It was, unfortunately,   regrettably, but now, understandably, from from this certain perspective. So,   yes,   anyway well, maybe, you know, maybe the German history lessons will improve,   Thomas. Maybe German children are gonna learn something about their real history. What do you think of the chances of that? They don't learn about it over here in England much. I I can't imagine. They're all being taught Islam now over here. Seriously.  

[02:19:07] Unknown:

Yeah. Of course, they learn a lot about they learn a lot about German history, but but only about the official German history, which, of course, is a pack of lies.   So they learn a very lot about the so called holocaust.   They learn a lot about the tragedy of of the so called Nazi government. They learn about a lot about the the   the criminal   intent and and the crimes of the Nazi government,   and all the rest  

[02:19:38] Unknown:

is not solved. And Are they allowed to homeschool there?  

[02:19:42] Unknown:

No.   No. Absolutely forbidden.  

[02:19:44] Unknown:

That's something I learned at a very young age, and I was always puzzled about that because, you know, we went over to Germany as a family   every on average, every five years while I was growing up, and I was growing up in the sixties and seventies.   And   I   not that I was being homeschooled or anything, but I remember   our cousins,   they were telling us that even just to get one day off of school, like, if they the parents wanted to extend the holiday or something, they needed, like, a letter from God pretty much.   And, certainly, homeschooling was completely   outlawed.  

And I was very aware that homeschooling was actually kind of a common thing in in Canada.   And like I say, I wasn't homeschooled. I I wish that that had been the case. But anyway,   it's it always puzzled me. It always puzzled me. Now why would they make it against the law, and why is the attendance so strictly enforced? And now I do understand why. Because the Germans had to be   reeducated.   They had to get the state regulate   sorry, education, didn't they?  

[02:20:53] Unknown:

Yes.   The the so called,   the the official order for the US military   about the reeducation of the German people, is in my book.   It's it's a one pager   where it is very clear clearly told and and described how to to work on the German,   people regarding this reeducation   in in every aspect of of their life. And and   I just googled it. The the founder of the AfD was Georg Patzewski,   who had ties to general Petreus.   And and,   those two,   worked together in in organizing the AfD,   the alternative   for Germany.   So   I I'm skeptic if if this is a real thing. So  

[02:21:41] Unknown:

I don't think it is. I don't think it's a real thing at all. I don't think anything that's going on is really real.   It's it's an immensely   a worldwide orchestrated theater now, surely. I mean, certainly for people like us, we can see it. You're right. You're right, Paul. Yeah. You're spot on. And do you know,  

[02:21:57] Unknown:

who was behind the, inverted commas, denazification   of Germany?   The Frankfurt School when they relocated to America.   They were the advisers on that, the Frankfurt School, communists.  

[02:22:10] Unknown:

You can count. It wasn't that long after World War two here in America that they had compulsory public school,   attendance.   It was it took place in the fifties.   And a lot before that time,   you didn't have your taxes didn't go to public schooling like they like they do now, and you weren't compelled   to send them to any any sort of school. But at the same time, we had parochial schools, which are Catholic schools.   And they lost all of their funding to the public   schools, and then it became up to the point where you had to be wealthy in order to send your children there unless you had some sort of benefactor helping you out. Mhmm.   But, I was homeschooled, by the way, from the age of 12. So it's   definitely something   that anybody should look into if they have school age children to send their children you know, take their children out of the government schools,   homeschool them.  



[02:23:09] Unknown:

Absolutely. They're gonna get a real education that way. But what people go go going back to sort of Dresden World War Two, what people overlook   is that   my belief is World War two was over one word.   And it it absolutely irritates me. I keep saying this, usury.   Because in 1933,   mister h abolished usury,   went for the banks.   He was not allowed to get away with it. And I believe   two things. One,   is they wanted to destroy Germany because,   to show any other countries that had new ideas about,   abolishing usury.   And number two, with Dresden,   it may be now I haven't any solid evidence on this, but it's just a theory I've   got that the allies wanted to show the, Soviets  

[02:23:58] Unknown:

what firepower they have. Look Yeah. That look at us. In in David Irving's book, he talks about that. That they did Yeah. Does he? They they they wanted to really have a show of force for Stalin.  

[02:24:10] Unknown:

Because they let's face it. There was producing   ammunition and bombs. There's so much they didn't know what to do with it.   And,   as a as a sort of a side issue,   I worked on a,   project on   on, all many years ago.   And a couple of days before I went there, it was actually,   on-site as a site office where I work, which I I preferred, actually, because you're designing it as the building is going up, basically.   And, they've what happened is it was an ex American Air Force Base, part of it.   And,   a digger   dug up   a, the tail fin of a bomb   and several others.  

And they   they they they they they evacuated the, site, and they got a bomb disposal along. But all it was was a load of taufins that the Americans had left there after the war.   That's all it was. No bombs, just talfins. So there might have been a a someone that bit of a practical joker. That though, hey, sometime in the future, someone's gonna dig these out to get their bombs.   But,   but it's surprising how much from World War two is still around. I mean, I also worked down at Billingsgate in London, the redevelopment.   And we was all standing here having a sort of morning coffee,   looking out the window.  

And,   it was right next to the River Thames. And,   we we noticed this they have a lot of, barges that carry, spoil   away,   along along the river and all stuff like that. We saw this great sort of pile of soil   and   army fellas there and,   army   sort of,   boats with flashing lights and that. That's a bit strange. Why are they guarding a pile of soil?   That's weird. It went right under our window. That's weird.   Well, apparently,   it it was a big Herman that was still alive,   and they took it to Silbury and, blew it up.   But after all those years, it was still alive.   And we were standing next to the windows. It's going out of the window. I wonder what that is. You know?  



[02:26:25] Unknown:

Yeah. I was I was in private bombs.   Some years ago. And they were digging up bombs, and and it's quite common. They find a bomb, and then they bring the bomb disposal team in. And a lot of times, they just end up detonating it.  

[02:26:38] Unknown:

Well, there's a   a very sad film that I saw. It was made in 1948.   And many, many years ago, it was shown on television. It's black and white, and it's a documentary.   And after World War two,   the German bomb disposal   got together with the British bomb disposal. When they went round   Hamburg and Berlin and places like that,   you know,   taking the,   well, obviously,   dealing with these unexploded bombs.   And   the people that did this were sort of like the flat footed,   Some of them had glasses that were like sort of bottled bottles of beer bottles.   The sort of academic type, the pleasant type.  

And   the end of this film   shows you the list of the poor souls that have been blown up. Very few of them survived   on both sides.  

[02:27:33] Unknown:

And they From the unexploded bomb teams? The guys that were dead? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.  

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And, you know, and apparently, they worked absolutely fantastically together because they helped each other with the knowledge of these bombs.   And, you know, some of them were   DAs.  

[02:27:50] Unknown:

You touch on a thing there, though, that working well together. I know we have been   culturally pitted against one. There's been the football, hasn't there, and all that kind of stuff. And,   you know, the football, bloody hell, and all this kind of stuff. And it you just look at it. When you stand back, you have to stand back and take a breath and get out of the whirlwind of the brainwashing, and you go, this is you see what how mad it is, and it really is Brothers Wars.   And it's been it's not been orchestrated by us. The man in the street didn't want this.   Of course, we've got all these other aspects of it that Irving is, he's not the only one, but he he's clearly revealed. You know? I still keep coming back to these 38 letters, these peace offerings to Churchill who wouldn't have any of it and had them intercepted.  

You know, so the British public are denied that it's the stuff that they keep out of   the space, as it were, to allow people to think. They don't well, Stalin said something like that. You know, thinking is more dangerous than guns. We don't give people guns, so we certainly don't want them to think. I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it. And, of course, we're in that melee right now. It's nonstop. But just going back to this AFD thing, I mean, I suppose you you'd be able to take some comfort,   Thomas, from the fact that she used to work at Goldman Sachs. At least your economy will be managed well. You know, they're quite good, aren't they? So that's a good thing. You know, Goldman Sachs jolly good profitable firm there. Probably lost without usury, but hey ho, you know, so it goes.  

All of these sorts of I I just think the whole thing is just one massively coordinated   theater   because there's been just over the last couple of years, certainly since Musk arrived at x or Twitter,   they have released the censorship on it, and I'm deeply suspicious of it.   It's as if it's a flushing out thing to get people to shoot their mouths off more and more and to encourage other people. And people need to bear in mind I mean, you know, we can't avoid it anyway. This is a massive tracking system, the Internet, and you have to go, so what? We're using it   to maintain morale or whatever you wanna call it right now. And we must I I'm I intend to keep on doing that because if the if the number's up, it's already up anyway,   you know, with all of these sorts of things. I   and when you were mentioning earlier, you know, about the German education where they just get the established view. I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with the established view. It's very, very useful.  

What I have a problem with is that we're denied the other view, and we're absolutely denied a space in which a an honorable   discussion can take place. That's the problem, is the controlling of the communications   process. And I'm only stating the bleeding obvious, but it's literally that. You know, you think, well, we can sit down and talk about things. I'm quite happy to be corrected. If I'm wrong, I'm glad of it because you've corrected me and shown me something that I didn't know, and now I'm less stupid than I was. I'm still not wise, but, you know, we're chiseling away at that. But when the event is denied, when you can't do this And we heard someone the other day. Malefica sent me a clip of some guy,   or was it Shelley? Shout out to Shelley. She sent a clip of some guy, some English guy over here who's got some kind of a history thing just banging on,   about Dresden, having a popper all the at this approach as if you quest the mere fact that you want to question it means you're a Nazi. But then I thought, well, I do have toast every morning for breakfast, and I'm sure Nazis had toast for breakfast. So I probably am a Nazi. I mean, it's just it's ludicrous, and you're dragged down to this sort of name calling thing. And you can never get them to be calm. It's always bombastic. It's always like you're you know?  

Oh, we heard this from David Irving, shorthand for therefore, it's not to be trusted.   I mean, it's it's beyond dense, but it works. They just they silence us by not allowing us to have a voice. And, of course, over here, the English haven't had a voice for donkey's years.  

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You call naughty Nazism.   I think that there's what I call naughty naughty   Nazi.   People suffer from naughty Nazi,   syndrome. Yep.   And who's that who's that stoke bloke with a groggy voice?   Alex Jones. He suffers from naughty Nazi syndrome. Yeah. It was a Nazi, you know. If you talk anything any subject you want, you could talk about dog poo. Dog poo. You're the Nazis at this time where they put dog poo in the paper, people would slip on it. Yeah. It's the Nazis that did it. And anything that's negative, it would be the naughty Nazis. So these people suffer from naughty nazi syndrome.   And I I I find it funny in many ways. I I sort of try try and hype them up a little bit more, you know. So add up some add some more fiction to it, you know.  



[02:32:26] Unknown:

I mean, it's just Well, you yeah. It's worth elaborating it. You just say everything is their fault Yeah. All the time. It's the default position for people running into a brick wall or wanting to not have it discussed. Well, it's like Actually, just changing tax changing tax slightly. Monica, I wanted to ask you a question.   Although it's, of course, you know, it's all locked into what's taking place right now. Are you happy that America is going to buy Canada or whatever they're going to do? Is this what's going to happen? Are you thrilled about this? What's going on?  

[02:32:58] Unknown:

Well,   oh my goodness. It it it's it's kinda like I'm I'm   I'm taking a   a a seat in the theater and watching   things that hold. I I find everything that's unfolding   extremely interesting.   And   I I can't even really answer that   sort of with a yes or no because   I'm seeing things in a larger context that, you know,   this free trade agreement in 1988, which back then, even though I was asleep at the wheel still, I was fighting against that.   And I organized, you know, panel discussion and this and that. And I was really speaking loudly against that free trade agreement. That was   back in '88.  

And and then,   then came the North American Free Trade Agreement because that first one was just,   Canada and United States. But now I see all this, and I'm thinking   they kinda have this in mind since a long time to go the way of sort of like the European   Union.   And then I I've seen something about, you know, the,   plans for   10   zones around the world,   and one of them would entail North America,   you know, Mexico,   Canada,   and   United States. And I don't know.   Is is this what's unfolding right now? I kind of think it is.   But there is lively theater going on right now if you listen to the mainstream   media, the CBC.  

I mean, the narrative it's it's kind of comical in a way the way the   the oh, Jagmeet Singh, this joke of   a NDP. That's the new Democrat party,   leader. And so he kind of had the opposition there, the party, and he's got wearing a turban. You know? He sees one of these, East Indian types. And, oh, I,   put Trump on notice. And, I mean, I just had to laugh my head off because the guy is just a joke.   It's like, oh, yeah. He's got so much power, this guy, this Jagmeet Singh   here. I put Trump on notice and and, like, he's really gonna   make a difference. Anyway, I I don't know how to answer that other than I'm kind of watching things unfold with with great interest in sitting back. But,   oh, I was gonna say something earlier, and now I've forgot it was in response to anyway, when it comes back to me, I will butt in.  



[02:35:30] Unknown:

Yes. You're allowed to.   You're allowed I mean, you know, these different areas of the world, there's basically one theme all the time. I understand   in Canada that that you've had   not that it's reported much here, but I've got   through my wife's side, we've got relations in Canada,   and they come over here quite regularly,   and I'll probably be seeing one of them pretty soon, I guess, and I get updates.   You've had a haven't you had an influx, a glut of Chinese people over a re over the recent period? We've had an influx of everybody.  

[02:36:05] Unknown:

Everybody. We have a huge influx of the as my friend told me the other day, the dot Indians   as opposed to the feather Indians. Our Indians are called the feather. The Jeters.   Those are the dots.   And they're they're it's huge. And then in Chinese, there there are regions where, yeah, you think you've gone to China, you know, and part of Vancouver and   other parts too. There's always a Chinatown everywhere.   And,   yeah, we've got basically an influx from all around the world, and it's becoming so   in your face obvious now. We've also got an invasion right off the boat from Africa.   You know, like Jasper, the town that   burnt down and the the town where I lived for thirty seven years of my life   and don't live there anymore. But last summer, July 24, '1 third of the town burnt down.  



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And Oh, I didn't know that. I I was there some years ago. It was a very nice town.  

[02:37:05] Unknown:

Yes. It it it's already been kind of transforming   before that fire, but it's really transformed now because   okay. They call it a wildfire.   There was a huge forest fire, but I still say it was created through all the conditions they create with their their geoengineering,   the chemtrailing and whatnot. They basically   set that up to happen.   And then the part of the town that burned down happened to be the low density housing, the part of town that that was   established   people who had, you know,   upper middle class, you could say,   the railroaders, the   professionals, and the European stock people, you could say, that part burned down. And, I mean, they just a few months before that fire   yeah. Yeah. And just just before that fire happened, one of the town councilors had gone off to Ottawa   for some kind of a housing   planning meeting. You know,   Canadians from all over the place were there to discuss   the needs for housing in Canada, and they I can't remember how many   new houses they said were needed in Canada by the year, whatever, 2030 or whatever. And and Jasper had the obligation for   200 new   houses by this certain, you know, deadline. And and Jasper that doesn't sound like a lot, but Jasper has legislated town boundaries being in the national park as it is.  

And so where would these new houses be built? Well, how convenient is this now that the low density   part of the town burnt down?   And when I I was only there once since that fire   happened to be on September 11. That's just coincidental. But, anyway, I I remember seeing all these,   cleaning   outfits because the people whose houses did not burn down, they could use insurance money to get the deep cleaning   after the fire because there were obviously lots of, you know, serious,   smoke happening   and some of it toxic, and they were getting deep cleaning. And these vans that were there,   I I'm telling you,   why didn't they hire   the people who were   living there who needed work? You know, there's no tourism happening just after the fire. None at all. And normally, that's what would be happening in July and August would be massive amount of tourism. So that's how people are making their living. So why aren't they how hiring those people? No. I saw a lot of people that   were fresh off the boat from Africa,   and they they a lot of them were standing around checking out their cell phones, standing around in front of these white vans that were these cleaning some cleaning company.  

And and I just thought, well, maybe it's a coffee break. But then, you know, later in the day, I still saw them standing around. I thought, oh, it's an extended coffee break. I also learned from,   a friend of mine who lives there still, and her house did not burn down. Thank thank goodness.   But I learned from her   that the people who are getting the deep cleaning done, and it might take three days or whatever,   they could not   go into their homes. They had to leave their homes. They couldn't even could not even go back at night to sleep there.   And I'm thinking to myself, what is going on?  

Why   do they have to vacate their homes while there's deep cleaning going on from total foreigners?   And, you know, maybe the person directing these people fresh off the boat who can't speak English,   maybe they might be a a white guy or whatever, but,   it was all very suspicious looking to me. What's going on? Were they, you know, setting up some kind of, monitors in the homes? Or I don't know. I do not know. I'm just asking the question,   why did they have to leave their home and not sleep there even you know? What's going on with that? But I kinda got sidetracked.  

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Mhmm. It sounds like FEMA to me in in California   where where all the houses with blue painted roofs survived the fires   and and all the rest burned down, and and then FEMA came in and and and shot the rest. Well,  

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what gets me is why don't they have logging camps going in and clearing out all the the the dead brush and and whatnot   that caused these wildfires to occur? It's kinda like California in a similar situation. Because  

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because it wasn't a wild fly. It was a directed energy weapon.  

[02:41:32] Unknown:

But, yeah, basically becomes a directed energy weapon. And the thing of it is that I find interesting is we get a lot of Canadians that come down here to buy lumber   for construction.   It's like, what?   Canada is full of woods. What are you doing coming down here to get milled wood? It doesn't make any sense until you realize that the the regulations and what that they put on you. Also, a lot of the,  

[02:41:56] Unknown:

big lumber yards,   they were shut down over the years, you know, just for whatever reason.   I mean, there I guess, you know, like one of you said earlier,   the war never really ended. We are in a war, and all of these things that don't make sense, that that's why they don't make sense because we're living in a war.   That's the big thing, isn't it? So   what what do we do? Yes. Take your children out of school. That's what I wanted to say. I wanted to reiterate that from one of you who said that's the best advice   for young families who have children in school. Take them out. It's a dangerous place to send your children.  

And I would also say to young people,   have children.   You know, this is something that they have been scaring every every generation   has some kind of a big scare to so to cause them to not want to have children.   In in my youth, it was the big nuclear scare.   And these days, it's the big climate   scare for the children. Remember   the Friday's Friday's for future f f f happens to be six six six. If you look at it that way with the letters of the alphabet   and the children all, you know, being   basically   said, yeah, it's okay if you skip school on Fridays to protest   the the the climate emergency and which is the biggest lie of all. And this, of course, is our tool. I've everybody on this panel knows that, but just in case some listeners   are not   fully aware, that that lie took me the longest to figure out. It took me longer than the World War two big taboo subject lie.  

Took me longer to figure out this client this carbon.   Oh, carbon is bad. Well, we just happen to be  

[02:43:38] Unknown:

carbon based life on Earth. Well, it's the most I love carbon. Possessing people in their lands.   Yes. That's what it comes down to. I I look at here in Wisconsin,   up in Ashland, we used to have the largest blast furnace in in the world. We made the most steel in the world,   and that was taken from us.   And what they did is they did it through incremental   environmental   regulations.   And what they did is   a lot of the coal that they were using came from trees that they would forest in in Upper Wisconsin.   And now one of the first,   national forests was the Chequamegon National Forest, which all surrounds Ashland.  

And   it's it's it was a way to deindustrialize   the place. And just like in World War two, they went after the the Ruhr,   you know, the big blast furnaces that you had there in their Duisburg and places.   And today,   what's happening in Donetsk?   It's the biggest blast furnace in Europe.   And that's where they have the war right now, dispossessing all of the Ukrainians   that live there  

[02:44:48] Unknown:

in order to It's to I mean, all of these things are intertwined, aren't they, to   strip out the means of,   controlling our lives directly.   Everything has to be indirect. There there was a book that floated around about twenty odd years ago about interdependence,   a complete nonsense idea. It's just shorthand for   systems control.   You say, I I don't believe in free trade at all. I believe in tariffs and barriers because how are you supposed to protect a nation? Absolutely. And I believe every every nation should do that. So all of so called modern economic thinking is basically   modern economic warfare against nations.  

And and the common thread here, which is obvious to all of us, is we're talking about parts of the world where our people predominantly   are,   where our history is, which are our traditional ancient cultural   and racial homelands. It's not happening anywhere else.   There's literally no reason at all for England to ever brought in one migrant ever,   And the same for Canada.   And none of them. Not one. We don't need any of them. This is not a hostile observation. It's simply true.   Yet   the entire   establishment   is basically   globalist.  

All of our governments are all waging war against all of their people because they're part of another club. And to paraphrase George Carlin, we're not in it. And I'm thankful for that because I wouldn't want to be in in their position considering the heinous crimes that they're committing against their own kith and kin. But they probably don't even feel that anymore. We don't have the ability to communicate with these people. I mean, it's not possible.  

[02:46:26] Unknown:

And so what yeah. You're right. And what we have is people   of our kin and kith fighting each other or arguing with each other because of the   lies and deceptions, the psychological warfare that's been waged on us.   And so this is where,   our work that we're doing right now with this kind of thing is so important is to   help people understand what's really going on. Because how   how terrible and tragic that is if we, our own people, are   fighting each other. I I don't mean in the literal sense, although that's going on too with brother wars, you know, right now in in Ukraine and whatnot. But,   in in terms of arguing   with each other about what's best for us, you know, and and the   mostly   youth who have been so scared,   put put into the state of fear about the climate change lie,   then, you know, they're going out there   blasting   their grandparents or their parents'   generation for, oh, supposedly having, you know, brought them to the brink   of of, the election. The COVID psyop. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. So that's where this work is so important. And   and, you know, people sometimes accuse us of speaking within an echo chamber. Well, that's where the listeners   that's where   you can help by sharing these things   to for with people that may not yet fully understand.  

You all probably have contact with family members or friends or neighbors that   don't yet fully understand the story, and maybe they don't understand any of it. And, you know, everybody can do their bit in trying to help to wake our people up.  

[02:48:16] Unknown:

It's I I I completely agree, Monica. I mean, I think it's I keep trying to boil it down to where's the little   switch that has to be flicked. What's what is it that's kind of missing? I mean, you mentioned there about,   our people not having enough children. People are always, oh, well, you know, you you're on your way out because you're not having enough children, but there's all there's a lot of reasons why that's happening.   One of them is that we are generally, overall, not all not entirely, but a responsible type of people.   And so you think   and also we we raise young in a different way, and we always have. We we seek and have always sought to have   relatively small families where you can put a lot of input into the children.  

Other races don't operate like that.   They operate on large scale family families.   It's more of a numbers game. I forgot. The one's called k and one's called y or something in terms of the reproduction   orientation.  

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K and o. I think Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. Something like that.  

[02:49:17] Unknown:

So these are really basic fundamental, almost primeval things about the way that we operate.   And the the thread here is that all of the nations that are being hammered   are the ones that are based on, derived from, no matter how buggled up it might be now, but Christian law.   Whatever people may think about that, that is just the truth of our situation.   And it has brought   certain terrible consequences, but overall, it's put in a foundation that we all understand. And   it's it's putting a some decisions got before all the logic and all the intellect can kick in,   some like an emotional explosion has to take place. And I've always felt that as a people, we're lousy at defending ourselves,   but we're absolutely brilliant. We're off the charts when it comes to creating stuff. And, of course, we're being restricted in that way.  

And that echo of Christian   law is the thing that the globalist, let's use that word, are determined   to extinguish totally. And many people on our own side understandably go, well, we can't get all involved with churches again. And I totally understand because they are wolves in sheep's clothing too. They've been subverted as well. But if you get down to the essence of it as normal human beings,   we're talking about a wet our way of life, and it's being wiped out. So all of our governments are basically over on the other side.   We can't achieve a result through political   paths even though we talk about it here because I guess we're kinda looking for a glimmer of hope. But I do think, you know, just looking at the AFD situation,   the the good things that Trump says on Monday and then the incredibly insane things he says on Tuesday, I you know, we're gonna have AI, and we're gonna create all these, you know, unique   vaccines for your genetic code and all this stuff. We don't want any of this. But, of course, no one listens to us. You know? Paul, you you just said something about Christianity being perhaps the reason of of the main target  

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to to to be wiped out.   You may   be right partly, I think, but but I I know you are also on the side of of a race question,   and and I think   it's it's much more the race question. Because when when we are talking about white people being much more creative,   much more productive, etcetera, etcetera, this has nothing to do with Christian belief. This is something to do with race. And and and when we when we come to the race question, we must   see or and we must look at   the the fundamental,   basics of of the race question. Where did these races   start to exist?  

Where did they come in into place?   When was the first white,   for example?   What is the differences?   What what are the differences? What is the difference?  

[02:52:05] Unknown:

There's a whole series of shows on this. I think I agree with you, what you say. There is. There's just a because I think it comes down to the definition of words, and I'm probably using the word Christian in a way that I haven't made clear   when I just spoke it then. I view Christians   as a race of people.   The only people that are Christians are white people. Christian to me, Christians are a race of people,   and the religious stuff   is a thing bolted on on top to keep the law fresh. I've mentioned this before. There's a guy who lives over the road from me. He's a mechanic.   He's a and a and a builder. He's a fantastic guy,   and I would define him as a Christian. He wouldn't have me define him at that in a conversation   because he would rightfully assume that I'm talking about somebody that goes to a church and subscribes to some sort of doctrine or this, that, and the other. Not that that's necessarily bad, but it's become so muddied. Over here, it's not as if I'm saying, well, we've all got to run back to a church. Why would you do that? It's literally done nothing for the people. It doesn't do anything.  

But I've I I define it as a Christian way of life as following a literally following a way of life. And many people are doing that. The good people that you're talking about, the productive people are doing exactly what my definition of it is. It's not about necessarily going off and doing all that other stuff.   That's that's secondary.   And when, my take on it is when you actually study the scripture and look at it, it's about living this honorable, ethical, moral, chivalrous life,   which actually I think we resonate to quite naturally.   And we've got people that wanna live a different way. Now I don't mind that they wanna live a a different way. I just mind that they've been brought into our homes. I'm a locationist. I think the issue is about location. And they've been brought in our homes with a specific intent to disrupt us because if you study history, it always   works. Every single thing that we've built goes down the toilet because we get disrupted by other elements being brought in against the will of the people who are denied a voice don't have one because we trust star leaders.  

And this is the big problem I think we have internally as well. People naturally want to trust   an authority outside of themselves. And what we're facing is you can't do that anymore. You actually can do it alongside  

[02:54:18] Unknown:

of themselves as the state. And that's basically taking the place of the mother and the father in the family, which is the Yes. A micro microcosm of it. And if you go back to the original intention of the word race,   I think of Samuel Johnson's definition, which is from the seventeen hundreds where he   he his definition of it is basically family.   Your family is your race and vice versa. It's Yeah. To me, when I hear the word race now, I think of it's synonymous  

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with family. Well, we're we're gonna carry this theme on in next week's show. I've I've gotta wrap up because we're actually gonna hard stop exactly 11:00 tonight. I just thought I'd let you know. We've got about four minutes to go. So next week, I wanna carry that, next week's notes for my show for or for the show for next week, I've got is,   why women shouldn't have the vote. You can come back, Monica, if you want to get stuck in. I'm I'm gonna I'm using it as a contentious thing to kick it off. I've yeah. Because I just gotta be a most interesting conversation because I'm talking a lot these days about the   damage of the feminist movement. That's exactly that's what we're gonna go into. I've I came across a book the other day by an English guy,   JD Unn. When he died, he wrote this book about 1934. He died a couple of years later. It's called Sex and Culture.  

And the things he discovered   basically I'll leave you on this rather sobering note.   Whenever women have been emancipated in a civilization   and have risen in power, that civilization has died every single time, and there's a reason for it. And I wanna really explore it. It's not pointing the finger at women. It's pointing at this arrangement that it goes madly wrong,   and there's a reason for it. And it's law. It's inescapable   for us as a as a race is absolutely inescapable,   which is why, of course, I don't hold out too much hope for the AFD or for any of the people running around over here. They're all it's and this is the attack that's taking place on us. But listen. We've got a few minutes to go. There's a song gonna kick in. So any final words from anybody? Thomas, I'll let you wrap up a little bit. We've got just under three minutes. So if you could   wrap up in half a minute or something.  



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May I greet someone?   Yes.   So so I send my greetings to Melinda in California and Matthew in California.  

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Lovely. Fantastic.   Okay. Melinda in California. Brilliant. That's lovely. Well, great. Well, look. We'll do another show soon. I'm planning to try and get a second show in during the week. I've been banging on about this, and I I haven't found the time yet. But I want to thank you all for your patience tonight because, obviously, there've been quite a few of us around the microphone. I think it's gone really well.   You know, it's a tricky   subject to start off with, but we've moved it around. And at least we're ending on looking at a positive thing. There is a line from Dresden right now to today. There really is.   And the more clear we get about that and the more we have the ability to inform others outside of this echo chamber,   the better because it's got to stop being an echo chamber. We've got to send that echo out into the world, and it is happening. I just think, hopefully, we're we're helping speeding up. Monica, any any final words from Canada about to be subsumed into America?  



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Oh my goodness. Yeah. I just have enjoyed this so very much. I mean, it's been heavy topics,   of course, talking about Dresden, the anniversary of that, which was just probably one of the biggest crimes in in history   in in, you know, wartime.   But, anyway, it has been a very interesting conversation. I've really enjoyed being on the with all these wonderful   people on the panel that you have invited,   Paul. And what a pleasure to be on with you again on on your show.  

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So I You're welcome back anytime. You're welcome back anytime, Monica.   Oh, I'm so into that. Thank you. Lovely. I'll be I'll be in touch a lot more. We're gonna get a lot more busy this year. We have to.   Patrick and Eric, you don't get to say anything because you speak every week.   Okay.   Oh, yeah. Paul. Well, you've only got five seconds. Paul has been relaying this everywhere. You're a bit late to the show. That's You could have spoken do. I didn't bring you in. That's what we do. If I turn up tomorrow, you can be rude to me and keep me out of the loop. Okay? I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry, Paul. That's what we Anyway, listen, I gotta wrap up heavy topics in a light and balanced manner.   We do. And there's a few laughs along the way. Eric, thank you very much for your time, and you too also,   everybody that's been here listening to us this evening. We'll be back again same time next week. We're gonna hard break and end right now. If you guys wanna carry on talking after the show, you can.  

But but we're ending up here, for this time. So we'll see you all next week. Thanks, everyone, and bye for now.   And you can carry on talking because we're kinda clear. I've just got to end a little thing here, the, the YouTube thing. So this is currently getting recorded. Let me just end that,   and then we're away.   Where's the stop button? Come here, you bugger. I just got the word bugger onto YouTube. Bye, everyone.  

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Oh, horrors.  

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Oh, dear. Oh, dear.   We said bugger. That's it. We're clear. Good job. It's clear. Well, what I was gonna say is that wars are are fought by forgotten heroes for lost causes.  

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Heroes aren't born. They're cornered.  

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That's right. That's just something that you never find in the history books   that my father witnessed. And that is   that,   especially amongst conscripts,   There's loads and loads of instances   where,   both sides helped a wounded   enemy.   Mhmm.   On both sides. Chivalry.   Chivalry.   And I actually spoke to,   he's probably dead now. He's he's he's it was a few years back.   A chap was in the Weimar,   and he found a British paratrooper   with two broken legs. Mhmm. And him and his friend   saved his life by getting him back to a,   a field hospital, German field hospital.   And he wanted to contact him, sort of, you know, he he could it'd been nice to have spoke to because,   this this British paratrooper was actually,   a musician   in an orchestra,   and so was the jabs   who actually   found him were musicians in the in in the orchestra. Is that a strange coincidence?  

But,   my father witnessed,   something that was just quite horrendous, quite, well, bright, extremely bright. Two stretcher bearers wandered into their lines, and the the fighting was so fierce that the, British   stretcher bearers had been killed.   And   they said, we're here to save lives. We don't take sides.   Mhmm. And they went out   forty eight hours nonstop   into no man's land collecting the wounded.   And they had to be ordered to to to stop because it was against the Geneva Convention, which both sides adhere to really   rigidly.  

Totally very rigidly.   And most of the fellows were, including my dad, were really choked to see them go because they're so brave.   But there's no monuments to those people. We don't know who they were.   It's sad. It really is when you hear those those sort of stories. But,  

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Eric, does not does that not underline   the fact that the soldiers are the pawns   and that these Yes. Are yeah. They're the pawns for those who are really orchestrating   the the conflicts.  

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Well, my father   hated the military, hated the army.   Again, he was a conscript. He did he had a blind father. He had no no no no no choice in the matter.   He'd always been a carer caring for his father. And   he,   he never belonged to any, regimental associations after the war. And he when he got his medals, he didn't want them. My mother got them for him.   They came arrived   unpol tainted,   or tarnished, rather, not tainted,   with the metal ribbons or thread beer.   And he he never wore them, and he said to me, keep them as they are. I want you   to show people   what this country   thought of the veterans.  

And he was a disabled veteran, and they treated him   worse than you could treat a prisoner.   Oh.   It was horrendous   the way veterans were treated in this country, and it's been all covered up. And there was actually a Pensions fraud which the Government organized, which has been completely covered up. And who covered it up? The regiment   the the the the so called,   charity that's supposed to look after veterans. It's not a charity.   It's,   government run.   It has ties with the government. It's an absolute   scandal. It really is. It's just hidden.  

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You know, this is this really rings a bell here in Canada. The veterans are constantly   at war with the government. They're fighting for you know, there's a lot of veterans who are just doing very, very poorly here too in Canada. They're not being taken care of.   No. It's Well,  

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but what happens is, I've got the British Legion.   Is the British Legion, what they're doing,   they did a fantastic PR.   So people thought the veterans were being cared for, but they weren't. And   what happened is, they had to, attend medical boards where they were tortured. Literally tortured. I've actually got a recording of my father saying  

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that. He's actually said how how it went on. And luckily, I just recorded before he died. Thanks thanks, Thomas. I'm just saying goodbye to Thomas because he's leaving. Yeah. Midnight for you, Thomas.   Fantastic. So Thanks for being with me. Thank you, Thomas. See you, Thomas. Yeah. Bye bye. Yeah. I'll have you back. I'll be in touch I'll be in touch with that link, and I'll be in touch about getting you back soon as well. So we can we can discuss those, those racial roots and things. That'll be that'll be fun. Won't it? Won't that be fun?   That'll be tremendous.  



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It will. See you all. It'll be really good. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thanks. Take your time. Bye now. Bye bye. Bye bye. Soon because I I've got an exciting morning. I'm going to the dentist tomorrow.  

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How are you? Well, I'm just gonna tell you one more thing about the veterans, and then I'm gonna get going too because I gotta go get some fresh air, and then I have something else going on this evening, another show, actually, for a couple of hours. But, anyway, so,   the now in Canada, you've all heard about our MADE program. Yes? The MADE program. It and it's it   yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. It it's not MADE as in MADE service. You're gonna clean up your house. No. It's, yeah, medical assistance in dying is what that stands for.   And they are offering these veterans who are suffering with, you know, maybe PTSD or whatever. The so first thing that they're offered is, oh, well, you know, we have this made program.  



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I mean, it it it's I'm kind of laughing, but it's not funny at all. It's it's I know exactly what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. But Yeah. Thing is, have you noticed people with naughty Nazi syndrome, and it is. I I it's actually I think it's a medical condition, naughty Nazi syndrome.   The things they blamed   using naughty Nazi syndrome are happening now and far worse.   All the Nazis, they had this idea. Sorry. I'm doing it. I've got into Alex Jones mode now. This idea of euthanasia. Yeah. What we got? Euthanasia.  

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Think of Well, well, don't you know it's the same Nazis in control still?  

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the other one. Yeah. Yeah. The that's just still in control now. Well, you know, I'm a I'm a Nazi and so is my wife. And, we just we're always doing Nazi things. Everything that we do has got the word Nazi on it. I mean, it's   just it's it's madness. It's like I was saying.   I I wake up, I have a I have toast and tea and some coffee. That's pretty Nazi, isn't it? And then I might eat some sausages. That's quite German. That's pretty Nazi for lunch. I'm more than happy. Around.   I walk around sometimes in an orderly fashion. How Nazi can you get? I mean, it's sad what they're saying, but,   we've got a trait. I mean, I think we can attract a lot of young people over to this site. They're facing   some terrible things. And, you know,   Monica, this thing about why I'm just why women shouldn't have the vote. I actually mean it as well, but it's not just that that thing. There's a the there's a colossal reason for it. We've lost I think the biggest blow   that we've suffered,   this is started, of course, even before World War two,   is this rise of the so called empowerment of women, which of course, one of the main planks in the International Communist Manifesto is to destroy the family. Yes. And this more than anything it means that we don't stand together like families did. Now my mum and dad   hadn't had the effect of that. It just hadn't happened. So I was raised I know it properly. I raised my sons properly as well. I was raised absolutely right. My dad was in charge of the house. My mum served it. My mum didn't feel belittled   at all. She was incredibly powerful in the house, and my dad relied upon her for everything. So there was a real sharing of power. It's fantastic. And they wouldn't have even called it power. They were just caring for one another, raising a family, which was an absolute joy. It was. And, you know, I didn't know how lucky I had it back at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mutually,  

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complimentary   roles.  

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And It's just fantastic. Yeah. And it makes the children feel great. We were given freedom. We could do whatever we want. You know? Sometimes my mum would want to reign us in a bit, and my dad would say, no. Let him run. That kind of stuff. That happens a lot of time. Dad could sort of suss the wrists out. And then if it was getting get away from that river. I just remember being young and things like that. He didn't want me for it's rightly so. All those sorts of little things that build up. Now we've got a situation where,   women are out of control because they've been allowed to become out of control and you've got this uglification  

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process. Oh. They're all I could tell you about that in prison. Oh, yes. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I was so Well, maybe you come on next if you've got some time, maybe I'll send you an invite for next week because it would be great to have a female voice. I really would love it. I agree. I agree. And I feel like I because I'm a woman, I probably have   the sort of, like, the Authority. The the right or the authority to talk with. Because I'm telling you, I mean, I was   I grew up okay. I was born in 1959.   So I grew up when most women were still at home raising children as my mother was, which was very, very nice. That was normal, but then, you know, the sort of this transformation took place after that. And and then I started to question a lot of things and I sort of thought, yeah, feminism. Yeah. It sounds good. Like, you know, equal opportunity, blah blah blah blah blah. And and then I started thinking, yeah. But I I think everybody can kinda have their own definition of it, feminism, because I also still really, really wanted   to, you know, if I have children to be at home mom. And and that was very, very strong,   desire for me. And as it was, I only have one. Sadly, I would have loved to have more children, but it's just the way my life worked out. But anyway, that be that as it may, I I didn't wanna put, you know, children into a daycare. I was very against that, but I was very confused about it all. I was very confused because the packaging is nice. And the way my friend Yes. It's the Trojan horse. Feminism is a Trojan horse, and I would love to talk about this. Let me tell you. You can hear it right now. But I'm just Yeah. You're back. You're here. You're booked in for next Thursday. You're coming back. Oh, brilliant.  



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But, actually, Monica, sorry to cut across you.  

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No. No. Go ahead.  

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But,   do you know of a chap called,   the, what's his name?   In English, he's I think it's the   something.   Sorry.  

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Volks. Volks. Volks. Volks.  

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Volks. Sorry. I've In Germany, you mean. In Germany. Is he is he alright? Because I haven't heard anything on these sites or anything for about ten years. Do you know what?  

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I,   unfortunately,   must tell you that at least this is coming from my brother, and I've asked my brother, are you really sure? Are you really sure?   But, apparently,   Volkslager is not a good guy. I don't know. I don't know. I I don't wanna say anymore about it because I really don't know this from my own Well, I don't know. I'm not sure about him. But It there there was one   podcast I heard him do and when he went to Argentina or wherever the heck he went for a while there, and I I was very puzzled by it. But that be that as it may, so what? That could be just one topic. But then Alfred has been he's saying, no. No. No. We're sure. We're sure. We're sure. Like, that he's into bad stuff. And I don't even wanna start saying what he's into bad stuff, but it could be that that's   I don't know. I just don't know. But he has done a lot of good work in the past. So I think when this happens,   we have to just take that, okay, this person did a lot of good work in the past and probably helped, you know, to educate a lot of people.  

And let's just take that. And then if if it does turn out to be true that he's   kind of gone off the rails or maybe he was bad all along and was a plant, I don't know, just sweep him aside and move on. Just sweep him aside and move on. So if you haven't heard if you haven't heard from him in a or about him in a couple years, maybe that's caught up in the past. Him. I've I've never had any dealings with him, but I just thought, worst bit, you know, because he seemed pretty good. But the thing is most of his  

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videos are in German, but that's what I didn't understand. But,   the thing that that that gets me, there is so much controlled opposition out there. That that is annoys me. Yeah. It's the amount of politicians.   I mean, this is we've got a chap called Nigel Farage over here Yeah.   Who's very good at talking out of his bottom.   And, he's very good at telling people what they want to hear. Uh-huh. And all they say is, oh, this is the change we need. We we've got to change. We we're we we gotta change.   Doesn't say anything about usury.   That's why I think we should do it. Just say, excuse me. What are you gonna do about usury? Uh-huh. Because that assault  

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Nazi Nazi syndrome too. He's got naughty Nazi. Yeah. He suffers from naughty Nazi. I mean, if you want to abolish usury, you're a Nazi,  

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Eric, obviously. Right? That's right. You're a Nazi. Right. It suffers from yeah. Have you ever had Harry Cooper on your show?   He does the shark hunters. He's he's from America here. I think he's in Florida. No   worries. He has an organization that has all the old war veterans.   He was Oh. He he he he was a sub commander, I think, at one point. Mhmm. But, he was after the war he's he's in the Vietnam War, I think. But, he he knows a lot of these old peep old, veterans from World War two. Oh, I should've tried to. Specializes in that. I I'll I'll ask Frederick Blackburn   because he's had him on his show before, and I'll see if I can get his contact info.  



[03:13:50] Unknown:

Maybe we could have him on, your show, Paul. So Sure. No. I've I've heard him a few times. He's on I'm just salivating at next week's show.   Yeah. I'm re Right. No. Really. I it's massive. I think I was going I I looked into a lot of this about ten years ago because I came across a video the other day, and it was 02/2016,   and I remembered it. It was somewhere in my favorites. I thought, why am I looking at this? It was meant to be, and it's just brilliant. It's by Black Pigeon Speaks, and it's about this issue. And it also taps through to an English researcher who's got a site called heretical.com.   And I I used to go to heretical a lot. Simon Shepard, he got locked up for the usual reasons. Right? And he wrote some extremely brilliant stuff   about feminine power and what happens when it gets out of control   and it's really, really dangerous. And you can begin to see why. And then you understand   why,   a lot of women behave the way they do. It's completely   explainable. It's totally understandable. It's not pointing a finger of blame. It's saying, now we know why it has it's structured in this way, why we are a patriarchal people because every time we've not been, the civilization's   gone down the toilet.  

And,   I I wanna get into all of that. So it will be why why women should not have the vote or something when try and make it as contentious as possible,   because we need to really look at it. And this is it we're not gonna be able to recover ourselves unless we sort of look at this aspect as well. I'm absolutely convinced of it because if we can't have any children,   if as we are being told,   what are we doing all this for? There's literally no point. It's absolutely pointless.   They're burying our history. You can see it. I'm chilled at this. You see how they rewrite history   in real time on the TV, how all the advertising is mixed race couples. It's in and and where literally every single thing that you look at is directed to liquidating us.  

That's exactly what it is. And the the core thing is if we get families back, they can't.   Families are like this inviolable unit unit. So what is it that's broken? It's like really getting down into the fine detail of it and finding a way that we are encouraged by our conversation to say, there really is an immensely positive path here. And I'm often citing Victorians   as be as doing it right. I know there were terrible hardships in Victorians. A lot of abuse of the poor. It's what Dickens wrote about. I'm not unaware of that. But the and I know I'm looking at it right now through rose tinted spectacles, but the idea of men being in charge of the household, but women really being in charge of the household   is a fantastic dynamic. And it and it creates beautiful women that men will fight to the death for. We wouldn't now. We can't. It's just there's nothing to fight for. There's nothing there. By the same token, how are women supposed to pick men? They've all got pipe cleaner arms. They're covered in tattoos. They talk slack, and they're soft as shit. I like that. And I'm gonna talk like this.  

Yeah. And it's not even their fault either. I want to but it's not, you know. And you were mentioning earlier in the show, Monica, about,   you know, this division.   I've seen these comments like, oh, it's all the boomers that have they spent all the money. It's just asinine. It's beyond belief. Oh, what? They're gonna divide us now in age groups? And, of course, they did. Because I've mentioned before, my dad was born in 1925.   He wasn't a teenager.   And then they didn't have them. They didn't exist in the nineties. You're right. You're right. That's a contrived term.   Because it is it's nonsense. It's to split you off and we give a teenage culture and then we get them away from their parents and they're into all these magazines. I was like that because I was in the seventies. You know? Yeah. The cultists were saying that this concept of generation gap, that's a contrived thing.  



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Yeah. We don't by nature, we don't I don't think there's generations gap. You. It it goes away from the whole idea of a family where it's all the generations of children.   Yeah. Even the youngest, the eldest, and and and everything in between.  

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Right. Same with the oldest. I'm gonna talk I'm gonna talk about the dancing thing again. I was on with,   I was on Roger Sales Show last Friday, and Brent Allen Winters was there. I don't know if you know Brent. He's   he's really interesting.   Yeah. And he's written this immense book on the common law, which I've just started reading. I've had it for about two years. I've decided I'm gonna read it without reading the footnotes because the footnotes are just insane. It'll take me forever to read it, the footnotes. So I thought I'm just gonna trust all your references. I'm just gonna read the main body copy.   But when I was on, he asked me to recount a story of me going to a a country dance. This is about   four or five years ago. I think it's just before COVID two thousand nineteen or 02/2020, something like that. There's a guy in Chicago. I'll just tell it now, and I might tell it again next Thursday, so you'll just have to bear it in mind if I repeat it again. But it it illustrates this point. There's a guy I I knew through Eli James, called Coleman, and he's of Irish descent, comes from Chicago. He's a musician, does all sorts of stuff, very bright guy. And I've forgotten what he's professionally does, but it's something he was working at the British Museum   over Christmas.  

And he'd said to Eli, I said, hey. I'm in England. Is there anybody I can talk to? So Eli, called me and said, will you talk to him? I said, sure. Yeah. I'll talk to anybody if you like. So I ended up talking to him. We got on really well. He said, can you come up to London for New Year's Eve for a dance? And I went, no. And he went, why not? He was a bit upset. Put out. I said, because I'll never get out of London. So what do you mean? I said, I won't get out of London on New Year's Eve. I'll never get out. I said, I can't cope with it. It does me head in as it is, and I just don't wanna be trapped in there. He said, oh. He said, well, there's another there's another one, dance coming up at Blackheath, which is in sort of northern part of Kent, Southern London.   He said, could you make that? I said, sure. Yeah. He said, it's this it's the Friday afternoon. I said, that's fine.  

So I,   contacted him and I'm going up to this parish hall.   Now, maybe you've got them in The States, but all the churches have got these parish halls that often yeah. The modern ones are drab as buggery, but the old ones are wonderful if they were built in the nineteen tens or twenties, and there's still some of these kicking around. They're great. They're like sort of scout huts and stuff, but they're lovely. They always sell tea and they're all full of cheery people playing dominoes and things like this. They're great.   So I thought, oh, well, I'll go up there.  

I said, what am I coming up for? He said, oh, yeah. It's a big dance, and I want you to come to the dance. I said, to talk to you. He said, yeah. Yeah. Sure. You know? He said, because I'm a musician in the band and then he plays flute.   So I go to this, I'm driving up on a Friday evening   and I've got this really bright yellow shirt on and jet black trousers. And he says, how will I recognize you? I said, I look like a giant wasp.   And I described, I said, oh, okay.   So I, I go into this   hall thinking there'll be a little space somewhere where I can sit down and talk to maybe a bar. I'm thinking before I arrived, I didn't know what I was going to walk into.   No, there was one room and everybody was in it and they were all dancing. And I walked   and I sat down at the side and I was like, you know, I was the lemon. I was just, I was just stood out like a sore thumb. And I thought, oh, dear. I've I was quite concerned. There were about 50 people in this big   coordinated   dance,   which when it when it unfolds, you dance with every other person in in the group. You at some point, you exchange partners and all this kind of stuff.  

So this lady comes up to me,   Irene.   She's 82 because she told me, and she's about five foot nothing. And she looks at me and she said, have you have you come here to meet someone? And I said, oh, yeah. I said and I'd recognized him because he'd clocked me and he'd looked over me. We've not even spoken at this point. He's about 50 yards away at the other end of the room or whatever. I said, I've come to see a gentleman called Coleman. He's playing flute in the band right now. She said, oh, that's great. She said, well, he won't be free for a little while, so you'll be dancing with me.   I said I said, no. I said, I don't know what you're doing. I said, I don't even know what this is. She said, oh, good. That'll make it all the more fun.  

And she got hold of me and bossed me around. I couldn't resist. I'd have looked. So she's like one of these English ladies that used to run the British Empire. One of the right. Y'all coming with me. I was just really bossy. Right? So I   I go I get into this melee, and my goal was to not stand on anybody else's foot.   That was my goal. I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't understand the instructions. There's a guy going around saying you do this. None of it made any sense to me. It was completely bewildering.   So I'm just mimicking everybody as I'm just looking at what everybody else is doing, like a sheep, you know, good. I better do what everybody else does so that I don't wreck the whole   thing. And I I I don't think I was very good or anything like that. And, but I did achieve my goal. I didn't stand on anybody's foot.  

And there were some very bossy women in these groups. They were great. I really like them. I said, no. No. No. Like this. And they're really firm and clear about it. I go, okay. Okay. I was completely at their mercy. Afterwards, it it comes to an end. And Coleman comes up to me,   and so we get to we get talking.   And he said, you were doing really well there. I said, sorry, do you need spectacles or something? I said, what are you talking about? He said, no, I saw you. He said he would cooperate with everybody. I said, well, yeah, I had to, I would have banged into someone. Oh, by the way, I haven't mentioned I was the youngest person there. Right. Okay. I was the youngest person there. And,   it was just a fascinating   chat about this country music.  

And, Coleman   goes and plays all these sort of country music festivals with these big sort of, like, orchestrated barn dances and old English and Scottish and Irish country dances.   And what he said to me, he said I and he said, I really like the English more than any of the others. He said, even though I'm Irish. He said, oh, what why is that? He said, because there's no ego in it. He said it's more   it's very,   elegant. He said the whole thing. I said, well, I have no idea what you're talking about because I couldn't detect one from another. You see? I'm completely   blind on this. But   another guy came up who understood the history of these dances. This I found this absolutely fascinating. It was so good. He said,   because we were dancing to a, a guy called Playford. You can find the music on YouTube that people can like for. Yeah. Alright. Playford. So you know all this stuff. And I so this guy comes up to me and he starts telling me the history of it and that it's to do with the English civil war, which I was immediately attract I said, go tell me more.  

And Playford was of the view that the civil war was gonna wipe out all the traditions and cultures of England.   So him and his pals, I don't know who the how many they were, he sent them off round England with notebooks and everything they could to record and write down all the music, all the lyrics, and all the dance steps that were occurring throughout England in barns, villages,   greens, squares, the lot, everywhere. And they built up this huge sort of portfolio of this music.   And the thing that impressed me about,   what Coleman was saying, he said, if you look at it, what's going on in the room? Because it was all our people that were in there. Right? All of our people. He said, look at how we're all cooperating with one another. I went, yeah. There's like a there's a hidden teaching in all of these things. There was a gentleness about it that was very attractive. He said, also, the musicians are not there to show off. There's no ego. Nobody does solos or anything. It's none of that. He said the musicians are there to serve this   coordinated group dance.  

And the sense of bonding that comes from it, and I'm mentioning it because we're talking about this division between   age groups. It doesn't exist. Yeah. You you you would have had little children there. I mean, I remember when I was small at my grandma's house, my grandma would dance with me and stuff like that. I used to find it really funny because she'd be kissing me half of the time. I was be trying to get out of the way, you know, when you start at six and seven and all that kind of stuff. But it was just joyful.   All of that's been broken down, that sort of   spontaneous connection between us as a people and doing something   really civilised. And I thought you really get a feeling for who we are and we've been smothered with so called modern culture   to drive us away from our natural state in many ways. And so   I just can tell you what. I got a lot from it. That's fantastic.  



[03:25:47] Unknown:

I've enjoyed this so much. And I'll tell you something. This is this tradition is alive and well   in these parts where I, you know Yeah. Around here where I live. I I participate in those exactly those kinds of things. And the very same observations that you just made about it, I have thought about that many times. It has filled me with joy.   And it it is our people   with our culture, and you're so right. It's like everybody is doing like, it's a cooperative   type of activity,   and you're right. There's no ego. And you're right. The musicians are they're playing together. There it's not about ego. It's about supporting the dancers, doing the dancing. And I've been at these things many times, you know, going to fiddle camp and whatnot, and then you have the choice and you're kinda torn between, am I gonna play or am I gonna dance? Am I gonna play or am I gonna dance?  

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Yeah.   And I guess I end up doing both, a little bit of both, you know, some I'm gonna have to come over and go dancing with you, Monica, and I'll try not stand on your toes, but I probably will. Oh, gosh. No. No. It's so much fun. But, anyway, I'm gonna go now. This has been so delightful. I can't believe I'm still here half an hour after we've been talking online for three hours. Monica, it's been fantastic. I'll be in touch before next week. Is it the same time of day? Same time of day? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to stay for the whole three hours. If you just wanna do two, that's fine. I'm not offended or anything. It's okay because three hours is quite a haul, but I'd have a wonderful show later today. It's been lovely being connecting with you. I'm so glad you could make it. So great. Just been great today. Wonderful. Thank you. Yes. It was really fun. Okay. Bye bye.  

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Bye for now. Bye bye. Yeah. I'll bring Zoom off because, I don't wanna be late for my dentist tomorrow because it's such an exciting thing to do, isn't it?  

[03:27:32] Unknown:

It is. Absolutely. I'm so I'm you know, this mythical Fockem Hall Festival, we would have to have country dancing at it, and we would all be so bad at it. It'd be hilarious. It'd be fantastic if we could do that. Right? Do you anybody know as I can just see that. Has anybody ever done this before? No. You know what to do? No. Great. It's gonna be hilarious. Everybody would be banging into where they're falling about. I think we'd have an absolute hoot. That's what we need. Something really playful. It'd be tremendous. I had a girlfriend, but, she was, she had sort of all different awards and things for dancing. Yeah. And I was brought up with a view that it's only,  

[03:28:10] Unknown:

puffs and women that don't dance. Real men don't dance, you see. So because my dad was a a firm, confirmed anti dancer. He would never dance, and nor would I, you see.   And, I got dragged along to one of these school of dancing.   Mhmm. And she came I think the teacher came up with me because we did a a tune. What was it? I asked the girlfriend. I said, sorry. What what's this number? She said, get off my bloody foot. It's a strange record. I never heard that before. And there was another one. And she said, dancing with me was like dancing with a panzer tank with a dodgy gearbox.  

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Oh, I want to see you strut your stuff, Eric.   Come on. I   I think there's something in it that's really powerful, like the blokes. I know exactly what you mean about dancing. I was never attracted to it either. But we're thrown into this really uncomfortable, awkward, and slightly embarrassing situation. I think it's really good for us. I think it's great. I think it's really to be humbled by not being able to do something. So what appears to be so simple, you're cocking it up. It's hilarious.   It's really, really funny.   Oh, yeah. I'm just dreaming about something. I know I'm slightly weird and eccentric, but I think it'd be magic if we could do something like that. I'm serious. I better be mad people had they'd never stop talking about it. They go, you remember that time when we were dancing and falling around in that field? Yeah. It'd be you'd never forget it. It's that silly. Be wonderful. Be good, wouldn't it? And, also, I It would. The idea what what's they call it now?  



[03:29:38] Unknown:

Steampunk, is it? That thing where it's sort of like Victorian. I kinda like that design. I think it's brilliant, a lot of it.   Yep. And,  

[03:29:47] Unknown:

but the thing is as long as it's no disco dancing. I hate disco dancing. I think it's still not dancing. It's just jumping up and down. If you invite if you invite Dennis, he'll be he'll have bloody George McCray on and love to love your baby and all that. So we can all get off and watch watch him strut his stuff, but   happy.   Yeah. Anyway, I know I'm getting carried away, and this will probably not happen, but I still think it's really rather marvelous actually as I thought. It's a really good show tonight. I've really enjoyed it. And,  

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you know, it's it's,   it's and the good thing is we kept off of the subject of Butlins,   if you get what I mean. I I   I I I I know that Patrick won't probably understand that, but, what we do, we use cockney rhyming slang and things like that. Butlins, it was a holiday camp. I think that well, I might might the penny might drop there.   Yeah.   So we talk about butlins. We we and and things like that. And, it puts the sensors off, doesn't it? So just far away around around censorship.   But, anyway, I'm asking because, I've got to open my gob tomorrow morning and that at my Yeah. You do. Guys,  

[03:30:53] Unknown:

Patrick and and Eric, thanks for your patience tonight. It's just funny having so many people around the mic and Paul also.   I'm sorry, Paul. I wasn't trying to sort of keep him out or anything like that. But,   at least we found out we can get six into StreamYard.   I wouldn't want anymore. Six is too many, frankly, but it was just that event. So that's a rarity. It won't be like that in the future. But I thought it went all in all, it went pretty well. It was pretty sort of somber the first hour. I I would you avoid it, but it picked up as we went through. Yeah. And, it's a one off. We won't be doing too many shows like that. I want the jollity. We we need that. Yeah. Still what shook me, though, is I got choked. I don't know the reason. It's really weird. I don't know if you heard that. You know, I got really choked. And I think what it was, it was Yeah. I did too. Of it. I was reading that Churchill quote, and it's just like, my god.   Yeah. When you when you think about it, it's just terrible. Every time I hear that Victor Greg clip, I choke.  

Oh, my dad.  

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Sorry. I didn't mean to cut in, but but but my dad and my uncle,   they were totally against flamethrowers and things like that. And they actually saw, and I think it was wise me not to mention it whilst Monica   and,   or what's his name? It's gone.   The other chappy   Thomas. Was on. Thomas was on.   What they saw was,   when these   poor souls   got caught in the flamethrowers,   they used to run up to the tanks and beat their fists on the side of the tanks in agony.   And that's what my my my my my father and uncle witnessed, and they written that the people that use those flamethrowers   must have been psychopathic.  

Must have been.   It's it's evil. It it they couldn't no normal person could do that to another human being. It's it's it's what it it you if you stand back, it's the other side.  

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I I think Dennis is very close with this. These are rituals   involving colossal cruelty, totally pointless,   and deep becoming dehumanized in the process.   And, of course, psychopaths are dehumanized anyway to start off with. The thing about them is that they are used by the military because they don't have any qualms about slaughtering as many people as possible. I mean, that's the black and tans we were made up of those maniacs, and they were the people that, you know, shot people in World War one for supposedly walking backwards and went over to Ireland and caused absolute mayhem.   All races produce those nutcases, and armies try and control them and have been successful, I guess, at doing it. You know? You know? We don't care because we've sent 25 psychopaths over there. They're gonna kill 10,000 people because they just love it   without stopping. You know? So it's anyway. This this country Look. We anyway, we better go because, as I say I hope it all goes well with with the dentist of of delight,   yeah, and and all that kind of stuff.  

I'll see you next week, but I'll be in touch. And I think, you know, because Dennis didn't get to speak so much tonight, nobody did. I think getting him onto your show, Eric, will be pretty easy in a couple of weeks. So give me a call. I can give you a Skype or whatever, and you can get in touch with him and get him on because he would That'd be great.  

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Yeah. That'll be good. The one on one type. Yeah. I think so. Rumble working as well because that went tits up on, when was it? Sunday. I don't know how it went with it. I I'm actually learning to use OBS. I think that's the one. Is it OBS? Yeah. OBS.  

[03:34:13] Unknown:

Yeah. There's a I think OBS will do it because it's got multiple audio channels.   I didn't realize this, but it does. And in other words, if it's done in a simple way, it will act as a mixer. You will be able to get your voice going out and then all the sound coming in from the studio going out as well, and you'll be away. So I'm happy to spend some time with you doing that. Oh, yes, please. Yes, please. Yeah. Because there's lot there's loads of of tidying up to do and polishing and things to improve everywhere. There's just there's just loads of it. And I wanna get more sort of live shows onto Soapbox if we can do it. So I'm gonna work on Karen who's this she's she's good, and I don't wanna try and put her in touch with Shelley,   because they're just conversational ladies, you know, like having a coffee morning. It's great. It makes for really good radio. Come on, Mariah. Because  

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she's got a good voice. Monica's great. Yeah. She might even do a show. Great. If she And,  

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I think our radio I think, I think everybody's   microphone discipline was fantastic tonight. It really was.   Yep. You know? And,   but   it really went because when you begin a show, okay, it always goes in thirds.   First third is always a bit sort of funny. Yeah. It's Second third, and then it's and then it takes off on the third,   last third. Always does.   Yeah. Anyway, I'll be on Zoom, and, I'll speak to you soon. Thanks, Paul, and thanks Fantastic. Have a good day tomorrow, Eric. I'll be in touch. I'll see you by Sunday and something or whatever. So great. That's okay. It's only a it's only a checkup, and   hang on. I told you the prostitute. Oh, you heard that one. I didn't hear the prostitute.  

She went to the went to the doctor's Yeah. She went to the doctor's since she had something wrong, and he said, yeah. Have you had a checkup recently? She said, oh, but I had a Scotsman last night.  

[03:35:56] Unknown:

So Plenty of sexist jokes next Thursday, please, now that my when Monica's around and we're talking about the disempowerment or empowerment of women. That'll go down great. Yeah.   Brilliant, Eric. Fantastic. Good luck tomorrow. I'm sure you'll get it, and I'll be around at the weekend. So I'll look forward to it. Thanks very much for tonight. Brilliant. Good eye. Okay. Bye now. Bye bye. Yeah.   Paul, are you still here?   He's spying and recording everything. He's just relentless. He's relentless.   Hi.  

[03:36:26] Unknown:

Of course, I am.  

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Jolly good.   Jolly good.   Well, I got you on the stage after Dennis went. I thought you might have said something, but we were just in full flow. So maybe I'm a bad hostist. I've never juggled so many people before, and I've I've I really won't do it again. I think,   you know, our usual numbers just about   peak, but, it just went that way. I wasn't expecting Thomas to be here, but I spoke to him on Wednesday.   And I just brought this I didn't bring the show up. I just said blah blah blah. And I said, you know, thirty. And he said, oh, yeah. I won't mind being on that. So I couldn't refuse him. I didn't want to. What with him being a German, it seemed relevant, and his contribution was great. So,  

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yeah, really good stuff. Are you familiar with what an ice dam is?   No. What is an ice dam, Paul? Okay. Well, snow falls on a roof. Got it.   Yeah.   Snow falls on a roof, and the heat loss is behind the walls.   So the snow on the roof melts, and it gets down But then it freezes. Eave, and it freezes. Mhmm.   And it creates a solid block of ice.   Lovely. My building   is   40 feet deep,   40 feet long,   and there is an ice dam   the entire length   of the eve   that is It's quite heavy. Out from the roof   one foot Yeah.   And is one foot tall, and God only knows how far back onto the roof it goes.  

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To date, I don't know. How are they how are they are the eaves holding it up okay, or are they susceptible to  

[03:38:12] Unknown:

it's 30 feet up in the air, and I don't have a ladder.   Yeah. So   right now, I have a leak   that is between   my chair and my   computer.  

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We have this problem still good. Sometimes. And I have another leak  

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over a pile of laptops that are charging   at the moment.   I have a bag over them.   That's in the living room.   I have two leaks in my kitchen and two leaks in my bedroom,   and every damn one of them fills a 48 ounce coffee can within an hour.   So when you were calling for me   to join the show,   I was filling   stockings with ice melt so I could throw them up on the roof.   That's what I was doing.  

[03:39:03] Unknown:

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Well,   is the is the weather likely to help you? Is it going to improve so that it will thaw and melt and disappear, or are you in for a bit more rubbish? What's going on?  

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It's gonna be exceedingly cold over the next ten ten days.   And today,   it was warm with freezing rain.   Mhmm. It was, oh, 38 degrees   Fahrenheit.   And   that was also causing more snowmelt   and adding more and more leaks, more and more drips to my ceilings. And I'm on the First Floor.   It's just running down the walls behind the siding, and it catches the Right. The firebreak,   between floors,   and then it just kinda spreads out along my ceiling and just drips wherever it wants to.   Oh, yay, buddy.  

[03:40:00] Unknown:

So Well, no wonder you were so quiet.  

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Yeah. Yeah. If it in ice, icy water.  

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If I wasn't filling   what I did was I bought 30 pounds of ice melt,   with calcium chloride in it, but it's like a very small percentage of calcium chloride. It's mostly rock salt, which is essentially worthless, but it's better than nothing.   So I would take a 12 ounce can full of rock salt, put it in a stocking,   shake it down to the bottom, create about, like, a softball sized blob, tie the stocking in a knot, tie another knot, cut it below the second knot,   and then repeat   and do it again. Mhmm. I put   20   I put   14 of those up on the roof on the on the East side,   but there's a big snowbank   next to the building on the West side,   and I don't have an arm to throw 30 feet up from 12 feet back. I just don't have the arm to do that.  

Right.   So I was I wasn't able to put any on the West Side, but I did get 12 of them on the East Side.   And I have 10 more that the landlord's gonna show up tomorrow with a ladder and throw up on the roof.   But that's what I've been doing.   Skippy skippy.   And guess what sold out just about everywhere within a 250   mile radius of my house?   Rock salt. Smelt. I smelt.  

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Mhmm.   Lovely. Some Everybody else is having the same problem.  

[03:41:41] Unknown:

Yep. I ordered some calcium chloride box from Amazon.   Normally, I can get two day prime shipping. They won't be here until Tuesday.   So Right.   I'm gonna be babysitting leaks, like, at least once an hour   for, well, the next few days anyway.  

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Yeah. It's like when our sump pump went out in our basement,   and we had   rains   for days straight.   That's awesome. Bail out. Oh, yeah. It's always fun. It's Always fun. Yeah. You always,  

[03:42:20] Unknown:

like, those submersible pumps you can put a garden hose on.   Yeah. And you just   go to the bottom of the stairs,   and you set the thing on the floor Yeah. And run the hose out the window.   Those are always really good to have around just in case you've got a bunch of stuff you gotta pump out.  

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Yeah. And and something that can attach to a battery when the power goes out.   Because that's another thing too that happens. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing.  

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More water you have in your cellar, the less likely your electric is gonna continue working because sooner or later, that box is gonna get wet.   The breaker's gonna start blowing. And if you're standing in water, you don't wanna be messing with the breaker box.  

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Through that.  

[03:43:10] Unknown:

Yeah. Okay. Well,   you said what I was thinking.   Yeah.  

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I might try and rock by tomorrow again. Was it last Friday I was on with you? Yeah. I can't remember. Time flies. It's a little long. Well,   I might come by. I don't know. Might not. I don't wanna be there every week where I'd just be there too often, really.  

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Wear out your phone. Wouldn't? Yeah. Like that'd ever happen.  

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I guess. Well, whatever. Well, I might tell Brent. I've just started reading his book. I might have read quite a bit of it tomorrow, but I'm gonna have to tell him that I'm not reading his footnotes, that I'll tease him about that.   I can't read   them. I just can't. I said, well, you know, it's not right. It's not fair that you're asking me. He'll probably tell me that's where all the wisdom is. I'm going, well, that's no good. It's in six point type, you know. I'm I can't deal with it. It's just too much. Uh-huh. So I'm gonna I'm gonna try and get through the main narrative. Yeah. I've got so many books on the go now. I've gone berserk. It's ridiculous. It's it's really mad. And Me too. About eight. It's just mad. And I'm, oh, I gotta hop over at this one now.   Actually, I was you know, Patrick, we were talking about,   that blood libel thing in Damascus   Yeah. The account of it. And I was looking up this guy, sir Richard Francis Burton. I think I have that book that he did.  



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Alright. Okay.  

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Alright. Go ahead. What what the Jew, the Gypsy, and   I've got that. No. No. I think I've got a different one. Alright. Well, you got another one. Let me know. But,   he wrote a lot of books. He was prolific. And when he died, there were a lot of manuscripts that were already finished and some that were half finished and this, that, and the other. But in his he would he lived in Trieste,   and I can't remember which country Trieste is in. Where is it? It's in Italy.   Is it? It's in Italy. You're right. You're right. Italy and,  

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Austria.  

[03:44:57] Unknown:

I was going Switzerland?   No. France? No. I couldn't just come place in my head. Brilliant. Thanks. Anyway, that's where he lived. And,   he always had,   multiple   manuscripts on the go at any one given time. And, apparently, in his writing space, he has eight tables,   and there's a book on each one.   So he'd write one again, and he'd go, I'm hacked off with this topic, and he'd go to another one and warm up on that. I thought, what a brilliant way of writing. Yeah. His life's amazing.   He's absolutely ridiculous.   He's one of these English guys. He used to disguise himself as an Arab and everything. He spoke something like 18 languages or something, And he just hung around pretending to be an Arab and didn't get detected anywhere. It's just it's crazy stuff. Like, I don't know where these guys came from, but these guys   going around the empire and pretending to be he's one of those guys. It's just amazing. The one I'm always amazed. I've got it right here. It's by a guy named Arnold Lease.  

Oh, yeah. I might have that one. I've got quite yeah. Yeah. Andy's been to Lease's house, you know, in London. Oh, yeah. Lease   yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can see his house is still there. Lease was quite a guy. He wrote   he wrote a lot of anti small hat stuff, and he's really full on. This one's,  

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I'll I'll give the acronym. It's, JRM.  

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Yeah. Right. Okay.  

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Oh, by the way, just letting you guys know that, GBN is still streaming.   So don't say anything about that. Fattening.  

[03:46:24] Unknown:

You sneaky streamer. You record everything. It's like living with the NSA   operate with you. It's just you never know when you're being recorded. It's like like living with Hugh Hefner.   It is like living with you. Know when you're being recorded.  

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You know, I I was I was, thinking about getting around, but but the topic was kinda serious. The the topic was quite serious at the time.   And,   somebody had mentioned, well, I really don't know when the party started. I was gonna speak up, but it was I I   I I don't know about you, but my party start started a couple hour hours ago.   Yeah. But I I chose not to.   And if and if, of course, I would have followed that up with completely straight. You know? Okay. No. That is, you know, that's just a joke. You know?  

[03:47:17] Unknown:

Well, you know, this this whole topic of Dresden, I had a hard time just biting my tongue because it's like, there's a reason that the place was targeted.   Yeah.   That that was the  

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Yeah.  

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Yeah. But they hammered everywhere. I mean, I there is a re there's definitely a reason for Dresden because it's literally it's an indefensible action. It was literally to slaughter people because it was so concentrated. This is why the numbers   are just mad. When you actually know the condition that the city was in prior to the first plane arriving   a few hours ago, eighty years ago, literally,   you just go, well, that's sick. No. It was simply a It's actually a panic. It was simply a retaliatory  

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act from those with small hats and fat wallets.   That's why that's what it was.  

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Yeah. I think it was likely one of the big goals of the war was to just to destroy Dresden.   I mean, look at how much political clout they've had ever since.   And to this day, that's what the the word they use to describe their enemy, who when you start looking into it and you say any bad word, they call you that name.   Mhmm.   So  

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It's Yeah. Well, this Like I said, it's I I was with someone yesterday. He said, you know, there there's two aspects to their sort of character. It's true. There is the   extremely,   you know, linguistically skilled,   smooth talking, attractive person. Let's call it that.   It's not always that way. The other side is that when they lose their rag, they're literally like beasts from hell.   They're just horrific. If you look at what they did during the Russian revolution to people that they captured, I mean, it's just sick.   It's it's just sick.  

These people are you know? I don't know what to I don't know how to describe it, really. You look at what they've just done in Gaza.   Yeah. They're just they they'd revel in it. They think it's just great.  

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They're just The spoons. They're not from around these parts. They're not from around here. The spoons talking, brilliant, and good looking people, that is always the case on your show.   But I I guess Of course. Anyone else.  

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No. I know. Particularly the good looking bit. And everybody knows how good looking we are because of all the video feeds that we provide. Yeah. What's that pipe?  

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It's the pipe in the in the in the hat.  

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I know.   I know. I've gotta stop buying those clothes and actually living the part. Got to live the dream.   Yeah.  

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I was looking at my dad was showing me today some pictures of our relatives from Switzerland   from back in the twenties.   And just the way people dressed   is so much different than it is today.   Way different. These  

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Oh, yeah.   No. No. It's just better.  

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Like like Eric says, we're utter slobs compared to the way people used to dress. It it was just accepted that you wore a proper hat,  

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a coat,   and fitted slacks, tailored slacks.  

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We could train ourselves to do it. You'd have to build up to it because it would take a change of habit. For me, it would as well. You know, I'm just T shirts and sweatshirts all the time because I just wanna get in front of the machine and start writing on doing something, which is also sad. But, yeah, what I've got a waist. I've still got the waistcoat. I can I I actually can't button it up? I've just I'm just slightly a bit too big at the front, but I've still got a waistcoat.   I like my waistcoat. I've got   shirts that you have to put cufflinks in to make them work properly. I've got a proper pair of shoes. I've got suits. I've got really good slacks and try my son's gotta go to a wedding. He's he said, I'm gonna buy a suit. I said, no. No. Don't get a suit. He said, no. I said, no. You can't when are you gonna wear it again? I said, just get a jacket, a really smart jacket and trousers.  

I said, you'll be aware you can use it in all sorts of things. You can't wear a suit if you go now with your mates to a restaurant, but with jacket, you can. Right? You just look a bit ostentatious if you keep wearing suits all the time. Yeah. So yeah. I gotta get my jacket. He wants to go to Wyoming and become a cowboy, though. I can't say I blame him. Well, we're in Jackson anyway. You know? Yeah. You get get I'm I've got an eye on,  

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this website up in Harris, you know, in the Hebrides.  

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Yeah. Nice place. Well, for Harris Tweed. Yep. Yeah.   Yeah. They they I think when if you get one fitting, it'll last you a lifetime. They they oddly you have to put the leather patches on the elbows, of course. That's the only thing that'll go. Yeah. And then you look like a geography teacher from England in the nineteen fifties or sixties. They all wore those. And,   Rhea teases me about that at times. And she keeps saying, have you got your tweed jacket on? Of course. Absolutely. I'm just thinking,   we could have Fockham fashions as well. There you go. You see? That f in Fockham lends itself to so many things, the Fockham fountain pen, the Fockham fashion, Fockham festival, Fockham fruit sellers. There's loads of things. Fockham footwear. Yeah.  

Yeah. Fockham footwear. Absolutely.   It's great. It's such a brand. It'd be fantastic, and we should be all ostentatious, like, you know, and dress like the, I don't know, the country gent or something,   or even ragamuffins. Even peasants dress better than that. It is a weird thing with builders over here. I don't think it exists anymore, but the Irish builders, and there were loads of them around even into the eighties, nearly nineties,   they all wear suits.   Yeah. Seriously. I don't know what they're liking them. But over here, they were always in waistcoats and proper trousers and stuff, all completely split at the knees because they've been hauling bricks around and covered in cement and stuff, but that's how they turned up for work. I I have no idea for why. Well There you go. Yeah. Like your son, he's just get a good jacket. He he That's it. Pretty much put anything  

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on. But,  

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Well, the charity shops are full of good old stuff that's barely been worn. I I I nearly bought one the other day, and then I wanted £15 for it. I thought, yeah. Why not? So maybe I'll start wearing a jacket, get a bow tie that spins around with one of those little motors in the back of it and all that kind of stuff.   And,   you know, and I'm gonna get the pipe, I suppose.   Anyway, on that crushingly silly note, I'm going to bid farewell. It's nearly midnight here, which is fine, but I'm all revved up. So I'm gonna go up and read for an hour or something before I   fall off into the land of nod. And I might connect up with you tomorrow, Paul. Fifty fifty, I think, is the chances. So I look forward to it. And thanks again, guys.  

And, yeah, I'll be in touch about all sorts of stuff. That by the way, that free conference thing with that sound, I think it's just it could be really, really simple and easy to use. It could be great. But I like it. I like it. Yeah. Yeah. What? Free conference?   Not call, but just free conference. Free conference. I quite like it.   And I found a way to improve the sound well, actually, I didn't. I was talking to Patrick, and we were doing a test.   And there was a button.   It was, you know, echo cancellation was on. I turned it off, and suddenly the everything sounded great Internet to Internet.   And, well, I didn't even know it was theirs. So you you in one space,   we can have everybody in there. Well, the free account only allows five attendees, which actually for this show would be more than enough apart from tonight, which was a rarity.  

But it also takes the phone call straight into the I know it probably does it with free conference   call as well, but I just prefer free conference. I just prefer it. Well, actually, freeconferencecall.com.  

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Mhmm.  

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It it's   it can be problematic because their security doesn't quite work right. And   there are times when,   the audio levels of people that dial in by telephone, particularly if they come in through an analog home phone,   those people are typically very loud.   And,   it would be nice if you had individual control over the channels.  

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Yes.   Oh, yeah. We probably don't in that. I probably don't. So maybe Sam I've gotta go and check it. Maybe maybe on the Internet connection, so you do. But you can't   change the volume, I don't think. Yeah. Well, I had to tonight. I was, I mean, I was changing balances as we went through because sometimes   as best I could. So at least you can do that with Streamer. I mean, I I actually quite like StreamYard. I think it's pretty   it's pretty neat, and it's very easy to use. And I don't see the point in paying for it, so I'm I'm not gonna but I have to do an awful lot of FAF to stream it to all these different platforms. But it's basically because I'm   I'm try you know, I'm it's going to YouTube, then I've got OBS running, sending it off somewhere else, which then goes on to d Live and Rumble and stuff like that. But Mhmm. Anyway, it works. It works. It's just a lot of things to switch on and off.  

But, you know, it's all part of the fun of it, isn't it? So Alright. Well, you have a good night, everybody.   You too. You too. And commiserations to your brother for not getting a third Super Bowl ring, Patrick. Oh, yeah. No big deal. It's just a game.  

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Yeah. I know. It's no big deal. I know. Taylor Swift deserved the boo.  

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Yeah. She probably did. I'll catch you tomorrow.  

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One quick thing. Yeah. One quick thing.  

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Yeah. Yeah.  

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When I was talking to you before, I was talking to you directly into StreamYard.   Okay?   But now Yes. I'm talking to you from Miro Talk   connect   connecting Studio A to Studio C.   Studio C Yes. Is connected   back to   Studio E, which is actually where you are.   So right now, I'm making two hops to get to you instead of   directly into StreamYard.   And this is Okay. Miratalk.  

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And Yeah.   Yes. No. Miro Talk's quite good, but,   yeah, the my issue is the thing the reason   what I'm what I want is in StreamYard, when we're all in StreamYard and I play the music,   you hear it at a good audio quality. It doesn't phase or whatever you would call it. It doesn't break up.   And,   I couldn't achieve the same result on free conference until I turned and then it started to work right. That's what's important. I want   I want you, when you're on the show, to hear the songs or any breaks,   really good audio quality.   And I I couldn't achieve that with free conference or these or mirror talk. It it it, you know, it's a bit like jitsi. If I don't want that. I want people in the studio to feel like they're really almost virtually in a studio. So the audio, you know, you go, wait. It's only for you. Yes. Yeah. But it's important because I think it keeps them plugged in and keeps the energy up. So that's why I'm I'm doing it. I mean, the other thing that people are using, Rhea uses Discord,   which is really quite interesting. And as long as you don't put any text in that's silly, you can probably get away with it. And she has a a guy she has a, like, a producer,   a night and day he's called. He's a good guy. Even if he is a Tottenham supporter, which I do tease him about. Not that I give a fig about football, but   what happens there is you go into that she's got three audio rooms under the server. So you can get a free server. They call them servers. She got three audio rooms. The first one's sound check. So I go in there fifteen minutes beforehand, and, night and day does a sound check with me, and it's nearly always fine fine because I don't change my settings, so it's great. Then I go into another room, which is like a waiting room, which is the live feed on thirty seconds delay.  

I can listen to that. And then when I'm going live, I know,   I hop over into the live room. So you bounce through these three different rooms. And it means that, generally,   everybody that turns up behind the mic with her as she goes through each of the is already ready to go and tuned in, and it's good. And, I quite like that, and it's probably like a proper radio station does. They do a sound check, keep you over in one side corner until you're ready to go on air. And then That's pretty cool. Discord?   That's Discord. Yeah. It's it's really good. The audio quality is outstanding on it. So   it uses,   you know, Opus,   a high 28   k. So it's great. It's really good. Yeah. You can get a free server and do it, but don't start typing anything crazy because they are sort of they go but as long as you don't type anything,   in the chats   that's out of this that's out of order, you should get away with it. Because I asked her about that. I said, I thought they were a bit sort of woke, and they are. But they they they're not so woke that they know what you're talking about, so it didn't really matter.  

Mhmm. It's it's pretty cool, is Discord.   It's good. Interesting. I want to do that. But you you you don't have any video feed with it or anything like that. You can't stream from it. It's purely   for handling   all the audio,  

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but it handles it really well. Does it also handle phone calls?  

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Well, no. Because you don't get a phone number with it.   You don't get phone numbers with it. It's it's purely for your studio.   So,   you know, I know a free conference call does, and I guess you can mix the two in and free conference does, and I quite like that.   But then no one's calling us on the telephone. But I thought for the station, for Soapbox,   what we could have is just literally one studio. Everybody could share their keys.   And that means that it's got the same phone number and extension number for the station as a whole, so you don't have to keep changing it for every different show.  

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Mhmm.  

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But it's very low activity on that at the moment, so it's probably more effort than it's worth right now. Don't know why people are a bit shy about calling in. They ought to call in. I use They just ought to miro talk. Bolicus.  

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I use MiroTALK   many hours a day because that's how I connect Studios A and C together for the audio. Right. Okay. Because Studio C is actually 15 feet away from me.  

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So Yeah.  

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And and it works.   I mean, you know, it's not a perfect plan. It doesn't receive it doesn't support phone numbers or dial ins.   Free conference call is nice that way because you get the one number, and there's no PIN or any of that goofy stuff that people have to type in. They just type one number and they're in.   And Yep.   If   if they happen to have a   cell provider   that charges out of network,   charges of, like, a penny a minute, whatever for conference numbers,   first of all, if you have one number, it's unlikely   that   a cell provider is gonna catch that you're calling   a conference.  

But if they do, you just text the words call me   to the one number Yeah. And then the system calls you back.   And it just prompts you to either press star or pound to join the conference, and then it connects you to the room.  

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So I Right. Okay.  

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That alone is worth the $8 it costs a month   even though it has even though it's problematic in some areas.  

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Yeah.  

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I don't know.  

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Anyway.   Anyway.  

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Yeah. Alright. Well, I'm glad to not be doing too many technical things. I I at the moment, I'm I'm sort of although I'm I'm looking at the website,   to try and enhance that and improve it and put a lot more links on it, but it just takes time. And having spent so much time on the other one,   I'm kind of glad to not have to do it. It's it's draining, and I just sort of at a point where I've done it for so many years, and I'm just sort of fed up of it. I just I don't wanna do this.   The the key is to still find mechanisms that grow audiences. I've not found them yet, but as I keep saying, these little shorts on YouTube might help. Pod home produces all these audio clips, and I've not yet used them after a show to try and promote the show, and maybe I ought to. You know? So,   I'm gonna try and look at that over the weekend. It's it's the promotion stuff. It's the sizzle.  

Yeah. We're just there's none. I don't do any, and so why would I expect my audience to to go to increase in size too much? It's not gonna. So and when I go into a different pockets or with different people, you realize that nobody knows,   not that I expect them to, but nobody knows that I or we exist.   Really? It's actually minute.   Mhmm. You know, we're a subset of a subset. And I'm going, yeah. No wonder people don't know. They don't even know. It's here. I I went to the YouTube thing with Karen the other week, and people go, who is this guy? And I'm going, yeah. They don't even why don't you know who I am? I'm thinking, you idiot. They just don't. No. You've thought why. Yes. Because we're not out there. Just not out there, really. You've been on you've been on having a show for,  

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what, ninety weeks now?  

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Whatever. Seven yeah. I know. But they don't people don't go to rumble, you see? That you don't pick them up off rumble.   And the growth in in the thing is is minute.   You know? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I I like, some guy was coming on stuff. I went he had, like, 78,000   followers on his YouTube channel. I don't I I'm sort of like a bumbling fool with this stuff, and it's a massive weakness.   It really is. And I think to a degree, it's because we get so involved with the material that we're talking about. We kinda forget about that stuff. And I'm thinking, I don't want to forget about that stuff. You know? Mhmm.   Because it would be good to put in that more effort and maybe sell t shirts or whatever tut you can because people do like to support. They do. I know this from the past. And, yeah, I'm not providing any opportunities for anybody to do that. And it it all helps. It's like energy coming back at you that lifts you up all the time. It might come back in the form of money, and I'm not looking for tons of money, although, of course, no one would turn it down. But that's not the goal. But the idea to make it sort of cover its costs are a little bit surplus. You could buy some more toys and improve the show   or things like that, you know, so whatever. Anyway Mhmm.  

Cool. Well, look. I'm gonna go hit the hay. Have a good rest of day. Good luck with the freezing ice, whatever that might mean, and, hopefully, you don't get any too many icicles down your back. And if I'm around tomorrow and and it presents itself, I might drop by for hour two or something like that. You are welcome anytime.  

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Thank you. I know. Look. Oh oh, if I go to Rumble, can I download, like, the first fifteen minutes of the show? Can I download the audio for that?   Because I was actually fashionably late connecting  

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to it. So I I missed it. Well, you can, but the podcast is up. The podcast is up, so you could download it from there if you needed it.   That's on Paul English Live. You'll see it right at the top. It's got the player, the POD home player. It's right on the top of PaulEnglishLive.com.   It's there now. So Okay.   You should be able to get it from there. I don't know. You down you can download from Rumble, but in a bit of a faff. Do they have an instant download button? I don't really know what they have, sir. Yeah. I think they do, but you've got the overhead of the video too, and it's always bigger. So Pod Home would be a better place to grab it.   Okay. There you go. Oh, it's there. Cool, man. Okay. Have a good rest of day. Hopefully, hook up tomorrow. See you then. Alright. Take care. Alright, Paul. Bye for now. Bye bye. Bye.  



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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.  

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Chains.