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On today’s Radio Ranch, we dig into one of the most important foundations of the show: what the law means by “person,” how the 14th Amendment is framed, and why “rights + duties = remedies” is the lens that helps decode jurisdictions. With callers old and new, we walk through corporate vs. natural/legal personhood, the “born or naturalized” language, and how cases like International Shoe clarify personal jurisdiction. We also compare “resident” in its political/legal sense versus the everyday, geographic meaning—because definitions drive outcomes in courtrooms and at the counter. In the second hour, we field real-world questions: traffic stops, court paperwork, and whether (and how) to resolve matters with sheriffs, DAs, or judges before stepping into a hearing. We emphasize building your record, asking for the nature and cause, and reading definitions first (CFR/Code). For new listeners, we point to archives and reference texts—Gaius’ Institutes, landmark cases, and key regulatory citations—to help you level up quickly and avoid common pitfalls while you pursue greater personal responsibility and freedom within the law.
 

• EuroFolkRadio (station carrying the program): https://eurofolkradio.com/

 

• Global Voice Radio Network – Matrix resources portal: https://globalvoiceradio.net/matrix/

 

• Radio Ranch archives on Castbox: https://castbox.fm/channel/Radio-Ranch-id1463869

 

• Global Voice Radio Network podcast hub (PodHome): https://serve.podhome.fm/episodepage/global-voice-radio/radio-ranch-wednesday-with-roger-sayles-0507025--navigating-freedom-from-feudal-systems-to-modern-economies

 

• Rumble channel (pgbiener) featuring Radio Ranch content: https://rumble.com/v14qx47-the-think-tank-with-roger-sayles-and-national-presley.html

 

• 26 CFR § 1.1-1 (Income tax on individuals) — LII: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/26/1.1-1

 

• International Shoe Co. v. Washington, 326 U.S. 310 (1945) — LII: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/326/310

 

• Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884) — LII: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/112/94

 

• Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) — LII (Wex summary): https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/dred_scott_v_sandford_(1857)

 

• Gaius, The Institutes (English translation – Edward Poste): https://droitromain.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/Anglica/Gaius_Poste.html

 

• Gary Allen, “The Rockefeller File” (full text) — Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/TheRockefellerFile

 

• Eustace Mullins, “Murder by Injection” (author site): https://www.eustacemullins.us/murder-by-injection/

 

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Yes. Thank you, Alvin. We would too. We're gonna see if we can assist you from the grave.   Decades ago, the man died. How prophetic those lyrics are. Maybe you're new. You know, and remember that song even. But the other lyrics of that are   everywhere   are dikes and fairies,   creeps and Harry's.   Show me where is sanity.   Right here. You found it. Congratulations.   The, September   23   show, the Tuesday edition, the Radio Ranch Roger Sales, your host. And,   if you're new, maybe. Got some new folks. Welcome. Yeah. Paul, could you, please step forward, get right square in the spotlight, and identify all the people that are assisting us, spread our   very, very potent message, if you could, please?  



[00:02:55] Unknown:

You do that. Good morning, Raj.  

[00:02:57] Unknown:

Yes, Paul.  

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We are on eurofolkradio.com.   Of course, that's our flagship station. Thanks to pastor Eli James.   We're on radiosoapbox.com   today. Thanks to Paul,   our buddy across the drink.   We're on Global Voice Radio Network, radio.globalvoiceradio.net.   That's my pet project.   We're also on a net family   the net family of broadcast services, and those the list is long but distinguished.   One zero six point nine WBOU FM in Chicago, our terrestrial radio station   brought to us by WDRN,   and also   homenetwork.tv,   freedomnation.tv,   golivetv,   and stream life.tube.  



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Nice.  

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WDRN productions   also brings us a Rumble channel, a,   Twitch channel, and a d live channel, I believe.   Global Voice Network brings us a,   soapboxtv.net   channel.   That's, GVRN   Live, and we are streaming live to that.   Also, to Rumble on the PGBiner   channel, PGB   I E N E R on Rumble,   which and d live. We're all over the place, Raj.  

[00:04:20] Unknown:

Man, pretty soon we're not gonna have time for a show. You keep adding on there. You'll take the whole two hours just giving people that are streaming us.  

[00:04:28] Unknown:

I never even mentioned the website.  

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I   know.  

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Yeah.   Thematrixdocs.com.   There you go. Check it out. You can join us live on a free conference call.  

[00:04:41] Unknown:

Yeah. We're a little Using that. By the seat of your pants radio show   that started fifteen years ago with the,   the answer   to people's frustrations about being   enslaved.   Knowing they're enslaved, just don't know how and don't know the right label to put on it. And so we started trying to explain that and and explaining it to a bunch of you,   then it it clarified a lot of points that I didn't know for me.   Excuse me. And that's why I tell people if you really wanna learn this, and that's one of the things we the newer folks,   your amount of the level, if you will, the degree of your freedom is directly correlated out well. You don't have control of the information. I mean, I can't help it. That's just the equation that comes out there directly   correlated. And if,   if you don't wanna learn the information and can't defend it, you're not gonna be very free. You know? Sorry.  

I don't charge anything.   So you're gonna have to pay somehow, and you're gonna have to pay with a little of your time and effort.   And, oh, I don't know. Get your brain synapses fired again and all that kind of stuff. We try and help you out doing that around here. The program is   really for the newer folks because, with the confusion and the questions and,   it's I'm sure that it's quite overwhelming,   to a to a new person to some extent.   It's not. It's really pretty simple, very logical. But regardless,   I had an email this morning, Paul, from a gal,   a mom, family, and, she'd been listening to interviews and stuff. And they've already sent off their affidavits, I guess, her and her husband and all this stuff. And she's like, yeah. What how do I deal with my minor child and   and, something else? I directed her to both,   Mirka and to, Dave and Kaye   and our website and invited her to come join us, of course. But,   anyway, we're growing slowly, surely.  

It takes a while. You gotta find the right person   that's receptive to the information a, then they've gotta receive the information b, then they've gotta get adjusted to turn in their world right side up instead of upside down c. And then you gotta go back and reorient all your personal and your world views because of the in light of the new truth information, and it just doesn't happen overnight.   I mean, I wish it did. This is the one of the bigger obstacles we've got is that time lag, and I've been aware of it for years and tried consciously,   and conscientiously   to,   simplify these things to where a new person can really get these.  

We'll get up and running a little bit faster. I want I want you to uptake the information and hopefully get your arms around it quicker than well, like I had to. You know, I'm I'm saving you years and because we don't have the time   anymore. We used to have the time. You could do that years ago. You can't do that now.   Time is shortened.   By the way, I was just watching this morning, Brianna. Boy, she that girl's gonna be a superstar.   Now you mark my words.   Brianna,   like, her Italian name over there. The new gal's got,   Harrison's old spot.  

Excuse me. As I've said for years, Alex is a   a hell of a talent. So he's he's got a real eye for talent. She's gonna be real real good. And I was watching her, and they were playing.   Today's one of the big meetings at the UN, Paul, up there in your neck of the woods.   And, they're gonna one thing they're trying to do is vote on a second, a Palestinian   statehood, a two state solution for the   absolute   mess that these damn bastards have caused over there in that part of the world. They live two thousand years together right next to each other, Christians, Jews, majority Arabs,   all that, and everything was pretty good until,   yep, the Zionists moved in. And it ain't been nothing but an absolute hellhole since.  

And they, of course, wanna blame the terrorists, and, of course, they are the terrorists. They're the ones that displaced 750,000   Muslims.   Palestinians over there stole their land and,   just demolish the property records. I the these they're the most vicious vile people that have ever walked the face of the earth. Okay? And, they're your enslavers. They're your enslavers   also. They love   enslaving   the other people because their holy book, this piece of garbage Babylonian   Talmud,   tells them they can. Yes, Paul. You had a question?  

[00:09:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I had a question.   Alright. Do you think maybe that the UN could,   could kinda polish their tarnished   reputation a little bit by instead of   deciding   on splitting up a sovereign country,   if they decided to put the country back?  

[00:09:37] Unknown:

Well, they're not they're they're not into that. Of course, from their founding, it's a Rockefeller deal. Yeah. I I mentioned it before where the building is that Trump's speaking right now up there in New York.   It's on one of the edges of land that was on the the bay there or where those two rivers meet, whatever they call that   body of water there, and it was an old slaughterhouse. It was the slaughterhouse   that provided all the meat for New York City, and all that blood from all that animal slaughter is in that land.   And that was the Rockefellers,   and they gave it to the UN.  

Mhmm. So it's built on blood, buddy. Literally.  

[00:10:19] Unknown:

Wow.  

[00:10:21] Unknown:

If you ever wanna get some information on there, it's a great little book, written back in the sixties, I think, called The Rockefeller   Files. Have you ever seen that, Paul? Have you ever read it?  

[00:10:31] Unknown:

No.  

[00:10:32] Unknown:

But we ought to acquire one of the it's very short, very little book. Did you get really, really well, you know what the Rockefeller family business is, don't you? Don't you dare say oil?  

[00:10:44] Unknown:

No. I I don't know.  

[00:10:46] Unknown:

Cancer?  

[00:10:48] Unknown:

Oh, yeah.  

[00:10:50] Unknown:

The old man used   to ride from town to town selling snake oil. It had oil in it. And he was a real womanizer and, got got chased out of many towns   for playing with people's lives and stuff. And,   anyway, that was what led him to get into the oil business. So their business is not oil. It's cancer. And you can see that all today.   All the Sloan Kettering and all that. Again, here's your reference.   Eustace Mullins murder by injection.   If you if you it's the only history of the American Medical Association's ever been written. The late and great, I would add, Eustace Mullins from   Staunton, Virginia.  

Very prolific writer, incredible background in history, and,   that is a really interesting book. It's called Murder by Injection.   I think you've got that on our website.   Man, I got to listen to personally about four times and got to shake his hand and,   and meet him. And, what a what a great American. Some of the patriots have given their lives to this.   Red back money used to small and man, there's too many more than I can even remember, but those were really instrumental people in getting the point we're at now. Okay. So this morning, mister Trump is up there along with other people. I think Lula from Brazil was right before him. And, Trump was very,   he he was very wordy. He's talking a bit I think he's still talking probably.  

But what was really exciting, Paul, to me,   man, did he expose and run down the whole climate scam right there in front of the whole body.  

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Okay?  

[00:12:33] Unknown:

So very, very good. For those of you that don't like mister Trump or think his motives are not pretty   pretty pure. I I don't know if you how you would like to deal with all those diverse problems getting dumped in your lap.   But,   you know, he's he's there there's a lot of good things he's doing, so don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.   So let's see. Here we go on a beautiful blue sky day in Ecuador.   I had a, an email from someone   that there was a bit of discussion in the after show yesterday about the word person. Do you know anything about this, Paul?  

[00:13:11] Unknown:

No. Were you  

[00:13:12] Unknown:

You weren't? You weren't there? I do. I didn't.  

[00:13:16] Unknown:

Julie does. I was in. Oh, okay. And so do I.  

[00:13:20] Unknown:

And there's Nancy.  

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Okay. Well, there's see, there are people that knew about it, Paul.   So,  

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let's hear what went on. And I provide  

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space, but I don't provide babysitting services.  

[00:13:34] Unknown:

You were chasing that cat around doing with a laser pointer or something. We got two people that were there right there, Julie's,   and, miss Nancy. So   which one of you wants to go first? I'd like to hear some for the audience, it wasn't there along with Paul and myself. We'd like to kinda get a setting for what the discussion was, and then let's go and clear and process out. Because there's another one big page oh, good. You did.  

[00:14:02] Unknown:

Yeah. So Carl   asked a question in the after show yesterday.   It was actually kind of a two pronged question. And am am I too loud or am I okay with my voice at this tonality? You are fine. Dear, you are fine.   Okay. So Carl asked specifically,   I'm gonna read everything that was spoken about. How is it that the government does not have power over man when talking about the legal person? And he went on to ask what person are we that gives us national sovereignty over the federal government?   And,   then   we got into talking about   who that person was   and Gary got on and Gary is,   a genius.  

He was explaining that, you know, it's   a legal person. We're a leak in the fourteenth Amendment.   We all know that a person is an entity to whom the law describes rights and duties.   And people were confused. Well, what is that definition of the person in that fourteenth Amendment?   A person who is born or   naturalized and he said it's a legal person. And Gary went on to state that you are a person if you accept jurisdiction and agency   over that legal   person. And   he said that jurisdiction of the word person does not apply to you as a national because you're not accepting agency for that legal person   that was born by the government. And he said the word born in the fourteenth amendment is being used   as, famous   creation. He said go read the 1921   Birth Certificate Act, which I did.  

And then,   so anyway, he said,   the key point is we grant   jurisdiction whenever we accept agency over that legal fiction.   That's why you go to court and say you're making a special appearance because that means you're coming to court as a man or a woman and not a legal person. And there's more to that, but I'll yield and let other people talk right now. But that's the gist of what he, stated yesterday.   Yield so Nancy can come in and talk.  

[00:16:11] Unknown:

Oh, Nancy, would you like to give us your side of the piece here?  

[00:16:15] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, actually, the   my challenge   was to the legal   meaning and definition of the word born and naturalized   in the fourteenth amendment because the assertion   that I understood was being made   was that as a national, we're not a person.   And the the word purse yeah. Let me so   that   okay. So and I was making the point that words mean thing and words mean things and the legal definition   of born and naturalized,   are referring to natural   persons.  

[00:16:55] Unknown:

So Those are There's those are Yeah. Those are referred to as individuals.   Go ahead.  

[00:17:02] Unknown:

Right.   So, I mean, you have so   the framing of the fourteenth amendment there is   from what I heard   was being   put forth   is different from what I understand your position is. You was always framed the fourteenth amendment, all persons born or naturalized,   in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.   Mhmm. As as soon as our feet leave our mother's womb, so that's a natural person,   not an art to be compared to an artificial person.  

[00:17:39] Unknown:

No. It's a you're you're you just got a property right on you as soon as your feet leave mama's womb there, and you're still a person. Everybody's a person. It just depends on which person.   When going back, and what we'll do is use this opportunity,   and I'll I'll see you've got more to say. But I will I'd like to use the opportunity with because I don't think Todd and some of his new his folks that he brought over, I hope Todd's maybe with us today,   have been over. This is another one of those foundational important ad,   areas that I don't know that I've covered with them yet. And if I have, it's certainly   worth three covering. And And if you're totally new,   there, I don't know if there's more, a more important lesson that I could show you, quite frankly.  

Because this that little formula runs the world. Okay?   R plus d equals r, and that's what we'll go over here. But let me see. Nancy, did you have something else to add to that?  

[00:18:34] Unknown:

I'll wait until you've   you know, we'll we'll come back to,   like, any questions I have after you finish.  

[00:18:41] Unknown:

Alright. May take a minute. Now all this came from a guy in Rome   named Gaius, g a I u s,   g a I u s. And the,   oh, the story is that, Gaius   came up with the law by   leaning over into a lake that was smooth where he could see his reflection and talking to himself with marbles   in his mouth.   Now, obviously, I don't think that's true, but that's the story. K? And you can go back and look on the Internet, Gaius. He wrote us a book, set of books called Gaius' Institutes.   It was the first   law books that were written, I guess,   certainly in Rome.  

And, the whole first part of Gaius' Institutes, Nancy,   is on this subject right here, the word person.   So the guy that really invented the law wrote a set of books, and the first part of the book is on this topic right here that you brought up. How about that?   You think it might be important?  

[00:19:49] Unknown:

I think so.  

[00:19:50] Unknown:

Okay.   Well,   a person isn't that this is   this is my litmus test when I'm trying to discuss people. Like, if I got   on with our friend, LB Bork, Julie,   With mister Bork, that would be the first question I'd ask him. I say, okay, LB, he's all mowing, all all omnipotent.   Would you please give me the legal concept behind the meaning of the word person?   And LB is gonna sit there,   would dumbfounded because he don't know. I promise you. Right.   Again,   this is something that's very power this is your toolbox right here.   And, you know, you got certain tools for certain things. Well, this has got all the important tools right in it. It's all encompassed   in a very, very short   and easy to understand formula.  

So you can write it on the inside of your forehead or you can write it on a piece of paper, r plus d equals r.   R   plus d   equals r.   Now that stands for rights plus duties   equal remedies.   Pretty easy.   You got two things equal, rights and duties   and remedies.   And now this is where you can get into this discussion, and we've had it before.   And, again, this is an area where Brent and I kinda differ a little bit. I teach it this way because this is the easy way to understand it.   And a lot of you that are listening, especially, have never been confronted with high end legal concepts and stuff before.   And so I wanna make it as simple for you so you can, as I referenced earlier,   uptake just absolutely as quickly as possible and apply.  

Understand and apply these concepts rather than having to fool with them for years like I did. I'm trying to save you time here. K? Because that's what we don't have much of, I'm afraid.   So, this little formula now this is my litmus question for all American patriots that I've ever, well,   had discussions with on these things because I'm not gonna waste my time in these arguments when they're spouting all this patriot mythology   and wasting both of our times. And so I try and find out if we're on the same page. So that's the question I ask.   What's the legal concept behind the word person?  

Now I've put that out on the air. Our good student, William,   who, has a flies people around, and he one of the people he flies around is a magistrate judge down there in Georgia.   And so, William is turning him on all this information and ask him, quite well, what's the legal definition between the word person? Here's a sitting magistrate judge, folks.   He didn't know.   Neither do the lawyers.   The judges could because these are concepts that for the most part, by and far, the most part, they're not teaching in our law schools anymore.   Because we've been able to understand they've been in control of all of the law schools in the umbrella organization   for about a hundred years now, and they've gone in and altered the curriculum where these concepts aren't taught anymore,   evidently.  

Okay? Because people don't know it.   And the this is the advantage that I've had is that John w Benson was my law teacher. He studied the law his whole adult life, but he went back and studied it from the old law books, not the new ones. He didn't get it through universities   and colleges. He got it on his own. So we were exposed to all this stuff.   I had the luxury of years to think about it and and,   figure out how the how these things work and how important they are   and then apply them. And this is one of the applications. You guys are talking about it right here. All persons born or naturalized in The United States, comma, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, comma, are   are citizens of The United States and the state wherein they reside or resident.  

So let's look at that in light of this person. So all persons   that are born are naturalized.   That pretty much encompasses   everybody, doesn't it?   Because it doesn't say just fourteenth amendment persons.   It says all persons.   So all persons that are born fit in that first prong of the two prong legal test.   That's what we are. First section is one prong. The second section is another prong. If you meet both of those tests, then you're that at the end.   So all persons born or naturalized in The United States. That covers everybody.   Where the differentiation   comes is the next test   and   subject to the jurisdiction thereof.  

So you can be a national   and but you're not gonna be that person that is a citizen of The United States or a resident. You're gonna be somebody else, and it goes and you can figure it out by this little formula.   Rights plus duties equal remedies.   Now see that leads to a whole another discussion on just the left side of the formula,   rights plus duties, because that's what I teach. Because it's easier to understand that way. They're they're correlative.   You have a right to life. You have a duty not to take someone else's life.   And and there's all these, like, one thing and then another. You get a right and then there's a correlative duty. Well, Brent says of course, Brent's   a practicing attorney for over twenty years.  

Brent says that rights and duties are the same thing.   Now I could teach that to you here. He's not wrong.   But in my confusion, it'll take you a little longer to get over and get the your arms around it. So that's what I don't wanna do.   The other, is Ed Vieira, a pretty,   scholarly guy, couple of Harvard MBAs, law degree, etcetera, etcetera.   And and mister Viera says that a right arises   out of a duty.   So you've got a duty not to take somebody else's life, and your right to life arises out of that. So these are just different ways of looking   at the left side of that formula. And I'm not gonna go into it today. I'm a teach you the way that, to me, is the easiest,   and that is that they're correlated. If you get your feet on the ground and get a few little a little understanding under your belt, you can go chase all those other concepts and delve into them deeply if you'd like. Okay? But for our purposes here, let's start with the plus. Because it's just that you got a you got a a a you got a right and you got a correlative duty.  

Now   this is an interesting discussion   that we could have with Paul English, Paul,   because Paul gets on here very snippidly.   I know how he is because I don't think there's anything such as rights.   Okay? So there's a whole discussion with Paul right there that could go very deep on something that well, I don't know whether he's   jokingly   saying that or whatever, but I've heard him say it before. Okay.   Okay. Somebody's hitting mutes and stuff. Is everything alright? Do we need a question or   whatever?   Okay. So we got the on the left side of that important equation, and I'm telling you this equation runs the world. I'm gonna show you why in just a second. You've got   rights plus duties,   and that equals remedies. Well, there's two entities on the left and only one on the right. So evidently, remedy is real important. You know? I've been around this shooting match a long time. I hear a lot of patriots talk about rights.  

They usually misnomer them and misidentify them as constitutional   rights. But, of course, they're still fourteenth amendment citizens, so those are the rights they've chosen.   They've chosen. They answered the two questions. Yes. Not me.   K.   So,   then you you you you've got, you've got that part. And then on the other side, you got these remedies things. So we hear them talk about duty sometimes,   patriot movement.   We never hear them talk about remedies.   I don't know if I've ever heard any patriot talk about remedies before hardly.   I get a drink of water there or coffee, and so   the little r side of there is very important. Now we had a new gal on here yesterday, Sue, Susan, down in Oklahoma,   and she was talking, you know, the first time and talking admiralty law, maritime law. And this is how you prove that we're not in that is that side over there on the right is the remedy.  

Because there's about seven or eight bodies of law, you know, common law, ecclesiastical   law, maritime   law, admiralty law,   there there several others. K?   And and we've got a sheet on the website there that John and them compiled. I don't know Paul could tell us where it is,   but it's all those bodies of law. And it lists the body of law, and then it lists what you call the presiding person, and then it lists what you have as actions that are brought in that body of law. And then you have over on the right side,   the remedies because all the remedies are unique too.  

You can't take and apply   a remedy out of one body of law to another body of law that you're not in because that person's not that legal person.   Okay?   So,   that that's critically important. And the only remedy for Admiralty Law, Sue, if you're listening,   is called prize, p r I z e.   And that literally means I kick your ass and take your stuff,   quite frankly.   Now martial law on the land,   admiralty laws at sea. It's admiralty law of the sea.   Maritime or or not maritime,   of of of martial law, which we're about to go into.   Trump's evidently gonna have to declare martial law to get into Chicago and some of these places. K?  

So when that happens, anything that's confiscated is called booty. That's the remedy. I kick your ass and take your stuff, and now it's mine, and it's called booty. So on the land, it's called booty, and on the sea, it's called prize.   Well, neither would you see any of that going around? Just grabbing stuff? Well, you see it, but you don't understand it because you don't understand there's process behind it. Oh, they've sent you letters and asked you to come back and be a good little taxpayer and all that stuff. They've sent it to you a number of times, and you didn't do it. So now they've got the end of the line, and they come and do what's called seize,   lien levy garnishment and seizure. They might seize your car. They might garnish your bank account. They might garnish your wages,   etcetera, etcetera. K? Those are all remedies. Well, those aren't admiralty remedies, not with all that process.  

So that is how you easily prove this is not admiralty. It's not maritime. And those people that are are are spouting that stuff to you are still living the Patriot Pipe dream. K? And because all that, I'm not putting them down. I'm just telling you the reason they don't know it is because they were never exposed to all this old law concepts that these bastards   have quit teaching in law school.  

[00:30:53] Unknown:

Alright?  

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So I'm a get so you you can't get into any one of these subjects without getting into peripheral subjects because they all intertwine.   So you do become a fourteenth amendment   person, however, and that differentiates you   if you are subject to the jurisdiction thereof.   Because then   they they put it on you, and you can shirk it. They don't tell you how.   Most people get   entrapped in it because they, later in life, get asked these two questions. They've been heavily   Pavlovian conditioned to answer them yes. And so now they've met the second prong of the fourteenth amendment. You were born and naturalized in The United States, and you told them, answered questions that said there was a presumption until you got 18.   When you got 18, you were presented with those two questions. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident? And you sign something. There's your agreement in the and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.  

So there you are. And if you meet both of those two, you're a citizen of The United States, and I they say it's wherein you reside, they're you're a resident.   So now they can come back and ask you those questions,   and you not knowing absolutely give them the key to the whole thing, which is your consent   and your agreement in that second clause of the fourteenth amendment. And you don't really hear.   And if you go back and read court cases,   you won't really find much on that   little highly important   subject. I remember I've John found it. The original,   reference to it is in an   1876,   I believe, case called l v Wilkins,   Indian, dealing with an Indian.  

And,   in that case, they pulled out that phrase,   and they used it. And it says,   subject to the political   jurisdiction   of.   So what that means, subject to the jurisdiction is you're subject to the political jurisdiction.   They own your ass,   k, quite frankly.   So that's that. Now let's get to person.   Just as Julie said earlier, person,   the   correct definition   is   an entity   to whom the law ascribes   rights and duties.   So it's not just a person. Yesterday, we mentioned the difference in the word property. There's a colloquial definition, and there's a a technical legal definition of the same thing. It's just person. Okay?   And you'll hear,   should I tell my little story? Julie, I might should.  

In Atlanta,   there's another very good patriot law guy named John Nelson.   I hope John's still around. He hung out in Durango, Colorado.   He was quite influential. He's just a terrible teacher. That was just probably a great information.   He's the one where we learned that,   that they and you can see it playing out right now   is that the International Monetary Fund also controls the Department of Justice.   We know they outward it's statutized   that they're that the, governor,   the secretary of the treasurer is the governor of the fund. So that's in title 28, the outright statement.   They don't tell you about the DOJ.  

And John Nelson found, and I wish I knew which one and I don't,   that they had done that via treaty.   So if you're gonna come in and bankrupt the country and control it,   you gotta control the funds and and and whatever the wealth is, and you gotta control the laws. And you can see all these complaints about Bondi and all the things she's doing for Pfizer in the background and all that. The Department of Justice is under the International Monetary Fund in this bankruptcy.   Department of Treasury?   DOJ.   I promise you. When Bob Barr was in there during the election and Trump tried to get him to go chase all these, mail in ballots and this fraud, and he came back says, no. There's no fraud. We're not gonna do it because of internal justice department's,   policy.  

Internal justice department policy   stops you from following the law in your duty? Well, he's an he's a receiver in bankruptcy in the International Monetary Fund. I guarantee you, their paycheck comes from the International Monetary Fund. Pam Bondi's paycheck   comes from there. I would guarantee it. Right?   So there's what has gone on and led us up to this. And, like, right now with these critical things coming out, you can see with her actions and what they're doing and this huge department underneath her that seems to run autonomously   on its own with all these bad actors in these key positions.  

They're under the under the authority of the IMF. I promise you. K?   So we'll go back to, go back to our little person thing here.   Person is an entity to whom the law describes rights and duties. I said a minute ago, there's seven or eight different   bodies   of law. And so you can be one or more of those persons. I guess you can be more than one of them at the same time. K?   But,   but that is the deal, and you go back up an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties. Okay. Well, where am I getting our rights? Well, here, if you've answered those questions, yes. You're a person under the fourteenth amendment, and they therefore, you have civil rights,   under the fourteenth amendment, and you shirk your god given rights,   unbeknownst to you, shirked your god given rights that you were supposed to have at birth.  

So this is how they pulled the switcheroo,   and it's all on this person because people that don't know this read that and go all persons. Well, that means everybody. Well, no. It doesn't.   Okay. Sorry. This is one of those legal things. And, oh, that guy, Bill Richardson, I had him on one time. He's written a couple of books. You don't wanna be a person. We had him on the show. My listeners wanted me to get the guy on the show. I had him on for an hour. It was a bit contentious.   And at the end, he he hung up on me and the audience and and told told us we were full of shit.   His words, not mine.  

Well, here's the guy that doesn't says you don't wanna be a person.   Well, how hell. Everybody's a person.   What do you mean you don't wanna be a person? You can't not be a person.   Alright?   And so he would use examples like he used a biblical reference.   I'm gonna excuse me. Stay away from persons who are evil.   I forget where that comes from in the Bible. And I asked him, I said, what about persons that are good?   And you see the way he had looked at that, stay away from persons who are evil. And he's thinking it's a statement   on persons,   not understanding   that this being go hang with the good guys.  

Okay?   And so it just this misunderstanding   on this word and not knowing these technical legal   backgrounds.   K?   So You are judged. You are  

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pardon me? You were judged by the company you keep. That's what the Bible was saying.  

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Yeah. And and here, I'll give you another example of how this works together. If you ever get charged with federal crime, Paul,   their jurisdictional   statement will be in that first paragraph   of the charging documents,   and it will say Paul Beaner,   a resident   of   boom.   And the state wherein they reside.   Boom.   The minute you don't   verify that or correct it,   the presumption rolls on and you've agreed with it. Right there in the first paragraph, one little word, most dangerous word in the whole scam,   resident.  

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Right.   Hey, Ross. Yes,  

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sir.  

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The Rockefeller   file,   was written by Gary Allen.   Yes. And You got to wrote   the PDF  

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is in the chat in free conference. It's a very wanna learn a little bit about these people. It's very good in-depth,   little short books, not long to read into the Rockefeller,   family   that   still runs a lot of the world today. You know, that's the question that got me into this.   Or one of them, I was headed this direction already   and, of asking questions and stuff. This is back in the nineties.   And I got a mailing from the spotlight.   I used to send out or somebody get a mailing list to do all that. And they had 20 questions in there, Paul.   They asked 20 questions, and, one of them really got me   good   because I'd been in the music industry and around gadgets and stuff.  

And the one question that got me really, really good was that question,   does Sony   stand for Standard Oil of New York?   Speaking of the Rockefellers,   when the Rockefellers sold Rockefeller Plaza, who do they sell it to?   Sony.   Sony?   Mhmm.   So   it's in my book. The story's in my book. I was teaching at the time at the,   Art Institute of Atlanta,   and,   one of,   the assistant,   guy was,   Jewish. His name is well, both of them were Jewish. His his name was Marty Blytheld,   and he's a real good guy, owned a studio and stuff, married a little shiksa,   real pretty little old gal, Linda.  

And,   so,   Linda, when the Bank of Japan moved to Atlanta, opened up a branch in Atlanta,   she this is how sharp she was. She got the job as the head guy at the new Bank of Japan's   assistant.   She was the highest ranking female   in the world   for the Bank of Japan.   That's something. Right?   So,   knowing that, I got I went into,   teach one day, and Marty's in there. And I popped my head in his office and said, Marty, could you ask Linda when she's at work about   this,   this this question? Does Sony stand for Standard Oil New York? And and,   he says, sure. I'll ask her. So he came she well, I went on, did my stuff. About a month later, I was in there,   and Marty was in. I I I I got walked his office. So did you ever get any info back from Linda? Well, he gets up and shuts his door.  

He shuts his office door, Paul.  

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went, wow. That's pretty something.   So, Linda goes to a guy over there that she's working with, and she asked him, does Sony stand for Standard Oil New York? And he goes,   well, I don't know.   But in Japanese,   every word in Japanese has a relationship   to the culture and the soil,   and it's called congee.   I think it's c o n g I.   And the guy goes,   I don't know.   But Sony has no kanji   in Japanese. There's no attachment to the culture.   Okay.   Okay.   Oh, she went to the next highest guy. I just gotten over there from Japan, and and he goes, I don't know.   But he said, it sure is interesting how such a   small company could become so big and powerful after the war.  

And the only guy left was her boss,   and she said, I'm not asking him.   Okay?   So that's as far as we got. You can draw your own conclusion.   I've drawn mine. And, yes, sir, that's exactly what happened. I think that they the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers after war two   must have had an agreement. And they said, okay. Rothschilds, you take Europe, and we'll take Asia.   And and I think that's probably what happened. They split the world up. Okay? But there you go.   Does Sony stand for Standard Oil New York? I believe it does. Okay.   So, back to our to our persons here. So you can be, you Hey, Rod. Before you move on   Okay. Go ahead, Dave.  



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Yeah. Good morning.   So Sony may not have   an attachment   to the Japanese culture, but it sure has an attachment to the soil, doesn't it?  

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Sony It's a standard oil.  

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Oh, yeah. But  

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they don't but but that's not a Yeah. Of course. See that. Well, go read that little book that Paul just put up there. Have you ever read that The Rockafoe? Well, you can't read, Dave. You're blind. No. Okay. Well, you ought to have your wife read it to you. It's a pretty good book.   Okay. So let's go back over here to the   origin of our question thirty minutes ago.   Forty.   So you could be if you were up if you were in,   England in the ecclesiastical   court,   well, that's the court of the church.   And so probably, like in old England, they only spoke Latin in the court and all that. They tried to exclude other people. Well, if you were involved in that, then that was the kind of person you were   because you received your rights from the ecclesiastical   body of law, and then you gave your duties back to them and everybody else is on the outside.  

If you're, go ahead and answer the two questions yes, like most people here have done. We all did it.   And we were tricked. You know? Then we yeah. We were fourteenth amendment citizens. And if you receive the benefit,   oh, you got these civil rights, and then you, owe the duty, which is all these administrative   agencies and their promulgated   regulations   apply to me, and they can enforce them on me. Yep. That's what you agreed to. That's what you signed on there for, big boy or big girl.   K. So you could be even several of those, I believe.   But,   what we're trying to do is get back to being,   a   person under the fourteenth amendment. I mean, not under the fourteenth amendment, back under the constitution   the way we were meant to be born before this   scam was run on us by the   international   monetary   powers.  

And so, that's what that is. Now the,   that's what you're doing in your affidavit. Well, I declare that I am a a national   with god given constitutional   rights,   appropriate words capitalized.   That means that you owe capital d duties, but you owe them to God, not to the federal government.   So then you're that type of a person.   You would call that a national. That's how they label it. K?   So, the other one,   we need to go I guess your discussion, somebody was saying, Nancy, you know, wanna point fingers. Somebody was saying that person is only a corporation, the old Patriot mythology. Right?  

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They were yeah. They were trying to say that,   that in the fourteenth amendment, it included   artificial   or was actually speaking to   artificial   persons as in corporations.  

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Well, that's the standard answer you're gonna get if you ask anybody in The US, the patriot movement. They're gonna say corporation. A person is a corporate fiction.   Well, is that wrong?   Well, no. Not really. Is it right?   Well, no. Not really. It's very narrow   because a corporation   can be a person.   And that's what corporate personhood   is. I believe, if my memory is correct, Nancy,   that concept came up   in a eighteen hundreds.   I think it was a eighteen hundreds case.  

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1898,   I think.  

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Brown versus International   Shoe,   I think, is the style of it.   And that was a long arm statute back when shoe manufacturers   were in Saint Louis.   And he was in Saint Louis, and the case was in Washington.   And it's a case where Brent mentioned it the other day,   long arm statutes.   And that is where they allow the person   in St. Louis to reach all the way out to Washington to get jurisdiction and pursue their case. It's called the long arm statute that came out of that also. Okay? Oh. But that's what you hear people bitching about right now is corporate personhood, isn't it?   Let's get rid of corporate personhood.  

Well, they give the corporation the rights of being a person,   but the corporation   cannot fulfill all the duties.   You see, if you if you catch the corporation doing something wrong,   excuse me, you can fine it.   You can't throw it in jail.   If it's a a heinous enough offense,   you can do what's called piercing the corporate veil.   And you can pierce the corporate veil and go after the board of directors and throw their asses in jail. K?   Now the the one   example of this, I don't know why it always comes to my mind, is that incident in India   with, Union Carbide, I think, called Bhopal   happened forty years ago or something. It was chemical company, one of ours, over there, and some chemical that was,   fatal got out and killed a whole bunch of people.  

Okay?   Well, that's where you should have been able to pierce the core prevail and get those board of directors and and and give them some some remedy.   K?   Anyway, that's why you get that answer. It's not that it's totally wrong. It's not. And it's not totally right either. It's in one of those ambiguous   little areas.   And because   a   trust can be a person,   a partnership   can be a person.   There there's other entities that can be persons. Okay? If they receive their rights under the fourteenth amendment, obviously, the corporations   can't be,   nationals.  

They can't get their rights from God.  

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Okay. Can they be born or they can't be natural? Can Well, they are corporations, people.  

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Well, they're not only born, they are born. They're given life by who? The attorney general of your state.   That's how you incorporate. You applied the attorney I mean, not the attorney general, secretary of state. My bad. Sorry.  

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So born, is that okay? So are you saying, Roger, that the fourteenth amendment is also addressing   artificial persons? Because I think Bourne Well, they they  

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they've made it to do that. Yeah. Because they brought in I'm sorry. What? Personhood underneath it. They've made it to do that because they brought in corporate personhood under the fourteenth amendment.  

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After they brought that in afterwards. But so are you saying that the fourteenth amendment, all persons   born or naturalized, and the term specifically born and naturalized  

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include artificial persons. Is that your position? Yeah. Well, yeah. It's a corporation. It's got corporate personhood under this theory and concept of law.   Yeah.   So But it's not exclusively   it's not exclusively   for them. They can join in, but it's not just them. There's others. There's So there there's trust. There's partnerships. And I'm gonna get to you. Feet don't come out of their mother. So when you when you explain this, you are always set  

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use some the metaphor   when our feet come out of our mother. Yeah. So you're using the natural person   as   so I've never heard you use I've never heard you   describe   or attribute artificial personhood   to the fourteenth amendment, all persons born or naturalized.  

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Well, we talk about it all the time in corporate personhood. I just never separated out. I this this occasion and the way it reached you and how you reacted is getting us into this   discussion, but it's always been that way. But they couldn't get corporate personhood passed before they got the fourteenth amendment installed.  

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May I?  

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Yes. Because that because you're giving them civil rights   and allowing them to act as persons.   And, yes, they're artificial.   Okay? But as I said, there's a remedy there that you can pierce the corporate veil and go after, and of course, so we don't ever see that done. Now what I was trying to get to, a a a Nancy,   was us,   us persons.   We were talking about when our feet come out of mama's birth canal. Okay?   Us persons   are called and referred to as   individuals.   K?   And the reason they separate us out into individuals is let me give you a perfect example.   Title 26   CFR   1.1   dash one a, the jurisdictional clause of the IRS.  

K?   And as they go in there, it says an income tax is owed by all   it doesn't say persons.   An income tax is owed by all individuals   who are citizens of The United States resident.   Why do they specifically   use the term individual there instead of persons?  

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Nancy? Because the rights and duties are in the same entity.   But the individual separate  

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they've got a separate schedule at the IRS for corporate taxes.  

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Right. And the rights and duties   reside in the same entity in an individual, a natural person, whereas in a corporation or an artificial They're separate. Person, the rights and the duties are separate.  

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Correct.  

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Now  

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the word individual   comes from the root word   indivisible   because the rights and the duties are in the same entity.   Got that?  

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Yeah. Mhmm.  

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Okay. And see that now that explains every it should should explain or give you the tools to go back in and be able to ascertain what the answer is if you come across any of these questions. That little formula, and if you'll spend some time with it, is incredibly powerful. Now, Julie, you had a comment, sweet thing. What was it?  

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Julie? Sorry. I I was I was just gonna add that, when you were doing the interview with Kevin Hoyt,   you were going over the fourteenth amendment with him, and you stated to Kevin that trickiest word is the word person. And you specifically stated   because in the context of the   fourteenth amendment, it doesn't say individuals and you stated that persons when used in the in that context   means legal person   or artificial   person. And you said that a person can be a corporation, a partnership, a trust, and even an individual.   And you you specifically   explained   to Kevin Hoyt that person views in the context of that fourteenth amendment   is not the person that we as nationals are.  



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Yeah. Well, they would have said all individuals.  

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Yep.  

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And and not all persons. Okay.   But, yeah. And you you meet the requirements   by triggering the second part of the test,   by answering the two questions. Yes. Now what does that tell us? That tells us that these son of a bitches   knew in the eighteen fifties and sixties   how they were gonna enslave the world. And they knew they put this plan in a little bit at a time, and they knew eighty plus years later when they started to ask you, are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident?   They knew you would say yes.   Now we are seeing how little today we know about our enemy   and their wiles.  

Boy, they know us like the back of their hand.   And don't you even think they don't.  

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K?  

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Now, Nancy, did that answer your question?  

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Yes. Except that this is the first time, actually, I've been listening to you for several years now where you have equated   the fourteenth amendment and persons born or naturalized being an artificial person.  

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And so My bad. I mean, I just I kinda thought that everybody understood that, but I should have gone in and specified it a little bit more. But, yeah. If I I mean, that's their corporations. They're persons. Okay. Don't let Nancy finish. Go ahead.  

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So part of the conversation   yesterday on the after show   was and Julie, correct me if I'm wrong. But they were the assertion was   because that included   artificial persons. You didn't wanna be a person. That you want to claim you're you're a man or woman.   And so there were some that so we as nationals are not a legal person, and that's not what you teach. We are No. No. We do have a legal person personhood. What do you got? You're getting rights and you owe duties. That means you're a person.  

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It's just this time is from God and the original constitution, the way the country was formed. And then you're receiving that and your protection is the state you're   in and the militia.  

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Yeah. Well, that's that so I'm just making a distinction. I have an issue. I don't necessarily   buy yet to I'll I'll I'll set with and do some research. I think the terms   as you've taught you haven't taught specifically about born and naturalized.   But looking through the lens of legal versus colloquial   and equivocation,   I don't think the words born and naturalized   apply to artificial  

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persons. But that's alright. I'll just put that aside. Well, no. Well, let me show you how. If you'll let me answer your question. I'll show you how they're born.   You write up articles of incorporation,   you send it with some fees up to the secretary of state, and they will incorporate you in Virginia.   Now you're born.  

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I would like to see the legal definition because I'm not I'm not willing to accept a   Well, then go off and star. Right? Yeah. You don't have to go off and study. Because I I'm   based on your teaching   about equivocation   and legal terms   and colloquial,   like resident  

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and United States. This is what I can this is what I can tell you. I'm teaching all of you the absolute dead level best I know how in the simplest manner that I can deduce things down   to a deliverable   concept.   Well,  

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and you're great. You're great. It's great. But my the point that   what was being asserted and, Julie, again,   please correct me if I'm wrong if I got this wrong.   The the assertion was as nationals,   the word person, legal person   doesn't apply. Did I get that wrong, Julie? I don't I don't think that's correct.   Well, I don't think it's correct. I'm that person. And they were saying I'm that person. The assertion we should use man or woman instead that we're not persons, a legal   person. So and yeah. So that's what my takeaway and that's what I was zeroing in. And I and so I I focus on the word born and naturalized.   Because I think those specifically  

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refer to a a natural person versus artificial. I could be wrong. But Well, you are wrong. The assertion. Because if you are if you were correct, there would be no corporate person.  

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Well Say right. I'll I'll take that under advisement,   and I'll check. You know? So Alright. Thank you. But the assertion that we as nationals are not persons and don't have a legal personage  

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personhood I just don't believe it. Is what I objected to. Well, will the entity to whom the law ascribe rights and duties when you're a national, you get rights from God and you owe him your duties. You fit right into the definition.   Why wouldn't it apply?  

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Right. I do have a legal person personhood   as a national,   as a USA citizen,   as a state citizen.   Those are my   legal personhood.  

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Okay. Right? Whistler is gonna Correct?   Is that correct? Do I have that correct? I I I guess so. My landlady wants me. Hold on.  

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Ciao, baby.  

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If all persons born or naturalized   are citizens of The United States,   the   the phrase or naturalized   means   that that is a legal person,   That is a legal entity. Mhmm.   Because,   it doesn't matter to god if you're naturalized.   You can't be naturalized   to heaven.   You can only be born   of heaven. And that's Well,  

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well, now hold on. Hey, Roger. An example.   Oh, okay.   Alright. Let me catch my breath. Who is it you were trying to get in two or three times when I'm in this? Go ahead.  

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This is Jack in Colorado.  

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Yes,   Jack.  

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I think I understand what Nancy's saying because   I don't think a corporation can be a citizen of The United States.  

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Well, you can go sue them.   That's the capacity you're gonna sue them in.  

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As a citizen? I mean, I understand what you're saying, that a   corporation is a US entity, but I I think in the fourteenth amendment, when they say a person's board or naturalized, they are referring to a man or a woman   because they're the they're a citizen of The United States.  

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They didn't bring in corporate personhood until after   they passed that amendment or if I didn't pass it, whatever.   A corporation   is a person.   A corporation   is a person,   but it's not the only   person.   And we as nationals   are also   a person.   We fit the definition.   We receive rights as an entity, as an individual   now called, and we owe duties except this time it's to God. We're in our state.   The state we're the protection of the state because if you're in that militia range, that's you, the people. That's what Brent says. When they talk about the people in all the founding documents,   all they're talking about is the militia. They're not talking about everybody.  



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K? Yeah. I agree with all that. I I think I think that her point is that, like, a trust or a corporation is not a citizen of The United States.  

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That's what I think you need. Okay. Well, I'm pretty sure corporation is because they've got personhood. That means they get rights and duties from somewhere.   K?  

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Well, thank you, Roger. I,   you have confirmed what I was asserting, which as nationals,   as state citizens,   we are do have a legal person. We are a legal  

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legal entity. We have a legal person hood. Everybody's a person. Everybody's a person. I was like, what I was about to get to a minute ago,   one night on   watching antiques roadshow replays,   there was a black gal on there who had bought a document   from WBGH.   I don't know if any of you under that's Boston   at, one of the flagships of the public broadcasting system or the way it used to be. Anyway, she had a listening to WGBH,   the PBS broadcast system there in Boston,   and they were auctioning off stuff that had piled up on the station.   And she bought this document   where a black slave   was naturalized   in the state of Massachusetts,   and he was admitted to be a citizen of The United States   Of America.  

Now they used to naturalize   in the states.   With the fourteenth amendment, they brought everything into the federal sphere.   So before   this black guy got were god given rights and duties in Massachusetts.   Now you get fourteenth amendment rights in the federal government. So that is a big change.   Big change.   K?   And Roger? May have some bearing on what you're dealing with understanding, Nancy. Go ahead. Well, no. I, you know, I I appreciate your perspective. And,  

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I still don't I think,   obviously,   the,   assertion that corporations   were per are persons,   that came afterwards after the fourteenth amendment. That came later in the eighteen hundreds. I think, like, you assert   that the civil war was brought in to create bring in the civil law in the thirtieth That's what I think. That's my thesis. I put that thesis forward. Yeah. So I get that. So I think   now this is just   my take at the moment.   But I think the fourteenth amendment and that person   set the stage for corporate personhood.   But I don't think Could you ask people   at that time?  

No one I I would betcha   that no one,   would ever assume that it was referring to a corporation.   It was referring to a natural   person.   And along with that, they didn't  

[01:05:38] Unknown:

bring the fourteenth amendment in to set up this condition without knowing they were gonna plop everybody into it sixty years later in in in a surety position.   They knew all these things. They knew they were gonna ask you at some point those questions.   They knew you were gonna answer yes, and they framed it where you'd sign something.   The these people know us like the back of their hands.   We don't even have any idea   about who the hell they are for the most part. And so the the salient  

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point actually is to know what person you are.  

[01:06:13] Unknown:

Which way yes. Exactly.   Yes. Where do I get my rights and to whom do I owe my duties?   Right. You know, I wanna pay this tax, but I don't wanna give it to the IRS. I'd rather give it to the church as a tithe.  

[01:06:28] Unknown:

Got it? I think it it was also being asserted   to justify or I think,   the existence of the straw man.  

[01:06:37] Unknown:

But I I There is no such thing there is no such thing as a straw man except Mark. Okay? Yeah. And I know.   And   here's the question.   Here's the question. Are you free or are you a slave? That's the question.   Not straw man.   What's he? I know. He's nothing.   He's either one of those two things that you were, but you don't understand what's going on. So you refer to something off on the side we refer to as a straw man.   It's a legal entity. Thank you.   Hey, Raj. Okay. You could say that, I guess. I I I yeah.   No. Because there's no such thing.   Just a second, Linda, please. There's no such thing as a straw man. You're either free or you're a slave.  

The what they think is a straw man is their free status that they don't understand completely.   Yes, Linda?  

[01:07:31] Unknown:

Paul, did you wanna say something first, yield to you? Well well, yeah. But I'm I'm gonna need a minute if if you're quick. Go ahead. Okay.  

[01:07:40] Unknown:

Yeah. It's real quick.   Nancy,   I like to say lawful personhood.   That might make it clearer. Okay. That's good. Like legal person is on the fourteenth amendment side and lawful personhood   is on God's side.   Just a thought. I yield. I'll buy that.  

[01:07:58] Unknown:

Thank you. Paul?  

[01:07:59] Unknown:

Yeah. Okay. I'm good to hear you. Sketch   Sketch found a PDF file Oh, wow. The personification   of the partnership.   And,   let me just read a little bit of the conclusion.   Legal scholars have long debated what it means for a business entity to be a legal person.   Today, those debates focus on the corporation   and are usually conducted either in the language of law and economics   asking how the law locks in a business's assets   or partitions them among the business and its owners,   or in the vernacular of constitutional law, arguing over whether and how a corporation can assert constitutional   rights.  

This article contributes to present day debates over legal personhood by looking back over a hundred years to debates over the different business form, the partnership.   In the decades around the turn of this twentieth century, legal scholars wrestled with the legal personhood of the partnership by asking   whether the law should view it as an entity or an aggregate.   Reformers pushing the entity view argued that partnership law should be rewritten to treat a partnership   as an entity, a separate legal person.   This, they believed, would both bring coherence to partnership laws, sometimes discordant rules, and bring the law into line with   businessmen's   views of the partnership.  

At turn of the twentieth century, they came close to writing an entity view into the new uniform partnership act. These reformers eventually lost, however,   to advocates of the aggregate view who defended the traditional common law belief that a partnership was simply an association of its partners with no legal existence apart from them.   But,   it just seems to me that,   they have they've been arguing over how to assign   personhood   to a corporation   or a business or a partnership   for couple of centuries now.  

[01:10:13] Unknown:

No.   It's it's it's no new debate. That's for sure.   So, and, Nancy, I hope that got some answer for you. It's a   I I I've just always assumed when you talk about corporate personhood and it's a person that people would would put those two together. So my mistake. Okay? I should differentiate   that. It's an artificial person.   And,   but that's it's a very as you can see with all the discussion we've had around it this morning,   this is a very important concept.   And it's really important to learn that little formula, r plus d equals r, and understand how it works because then you can determine every time what type of person you are. And if they're trying to hit you with IRS stuff and you filed your affidavit and removed yourself from that system, well, you're not that person anymore, and they're in the wrong, aren't they?  

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Yes.  

[01:11:09] Unknown:

Okay. So just,   for the new people that if this is over your head or something, that's just a very   important foundational   set of concepts we teach here   around,   you know, which person am I? It's not are you a person.   The legal term is which person   are you.   Everyone   is a person,   even a corporation.   K? Yeah. So go off and study, girl. You're welcome.   Now,   who else? Do you have any additional comment on that or new stuff? Yes. Yes? Yeah. Raj?  

[01:11:48] Unknown:

Yeah. It's Dave.   You know, I didn't get to hear the whole conversation, but   my take on it is,   that, you know, kings   and the Vatican have been creating these   corporations   for a very, very long time.   And   I believe they've had like you said, they've had this in mind for a very long time. And   so when a baby is born,   that's natural.   Right?   And when the government creates   something or born something,   that that's they use their magic wand and they natural or naturalize   it.   So naturalized   means   they created that. Even when a when someone comes from a foreign country,   right, and they become naturalized,   the government does that. That isn't natural.  

Right? They take their magic wand,   and they they eyes you. Right? That's how that's my take anyway.  

[01:12:52] Unknown:

Well, it's a good that's correct. You know?   You get if you we were talking the other day, the two vertical lines, one on the left,   God at the top, state citizen first,   citizen of The United States Of America second.   God,   state, country.   Fourteenth amendment flipped all that.   Now   people get their rights   from the federal government, corporations   included.   And the first thing you are is a citizen of The United States, not a state citizen   as in the other side.   You're now a citizen of The United States, a federal citizen,   and then you're a state citizen if and only if   you reside.  

So now the federal government has taken the place of God, and they switch citizen of nation and citizen of the state. Boom.   That's what they did with the fourteenth amendment.  

[01:13:48] Unknown:

I wonder where the term   citizen   first   appeared   in,   you know,  

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in the language of mankind. Who who came up with that word? Because It was well, it it has a as a   go ahead.  

[01:14:05] Unknown:

I'm I mean, I learned from Chris Cave   that, you know, CityZen   was a, you know, City Denison,   a city slave.   I hate that word, you know, that I don't I don't wanna be a citizen.  

[01:14:20] Unknown:

No. You And before we had city  

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Before we had cities,   what did they call us? Right?  

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Do we I don't know. But you don't have   you don't have to be. You can be a national, and you can call yourself another label. You don't have to use that. It comes from city,   civilization.   I think the root word is civis,   c I v I s.   But, yes, it refers to the city. That's how Thomas Jefferson differentiated it in the founding documents. He capitalized it.   Under the fourteenth amendment, it's a small case c.   That's a pretty significant difference, I think, Dave.  

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Okay. I'll  

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give you that. Okay. I will use that monitor, but thank you for, you know,  

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helping me become a national  

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at IO. You're very welcome because you strengthened my position when you did it. So thank you.  

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Okay. I'm done. Alright.  

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Now who else has got some either comments on that? Just here. You see? This is what I tell you people.   One question The sketch? Can get a hour and seventeen minute discussion,   basically,   on one little word person.   So you wanna know how deep this goes?   It goes real deep.   Go ahead, Scott. Sure does.  

[01:15:44] Unknown:

Yeah.   I I wanna compliment you on your,   retention of dates and,   historical,   it just it's very helpful.   So I I'm gonna mention some some stuff about the eighteen fifties and eighteen sixties that you mentioned.   But first, I'm going to go to 1772,   and this is a case   in England, Somerset   versus Stewart, England 1999.  

[01:16:10] Unknown:

That's some free soil that's the free soil doctrine case, isn't it?  

[01:16:14] Unknown:

I think so. An English judge named Lord Mansfield rules slavery does not exist in England stating   that it is so intrinsically   wrong   that it is incapable of being introduced to into any country for any reason, moral or political, and can only stand on positive law.   The slave becomes free by stepping on English soil. The colonists wonder if slavery will soon   be abolished. And all English colonies runaway slaves attempt to flee the England   and gain freedom. That was 1772.   Then you go to,   yes. Then we go to 1857,   Dred Scott,   and then go to 1865,   the thirteenth,   and 1868,   the fourteenth amendment,   and   also one last one below that.  

Oh, 1873,   the slaughterhouse,   and 1868 Yeah. Paul versus State of Virginia. I yield. I just wanted to point those out because your your recall of dates were so helpful for me to find this   one exposition.  

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Well, it's because I look at everything in a timeline.  

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Right?  

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Yeah. And that's why So, yeah, I know every one of those very important cases. You don't have to   understand them totally. Yeah. You have to have a little understanding of them and the part they played in the position we're in today   because they were all important in that.   So who else has got something this morning? Any of your new people? Did we just give you a nice drink of water out of the fire hydrant? Mary, are you with us today?   Any of Todd's people? Have they spoken with Todd? Is he out of PT and everything cool? And what's going on with your bunch over there?  

[01:18:05] Unknown:

Driving. Well, Todd is coming home today.  

[01:18:08] Unknown:

Oh, fantastic. Good. That's good news. Thank you.  

[01:18:12] Unknown:

Yeah. He's I just told him I texted him this morning, and I just told him take it easy.   You know, just take it slow because he's a little nervous to go home.  

[01:18:21] Unknown:

But CT went good. He's doing well. Okay. Well, good. I'm glad to hear that. I I just learned a lot of this.   Well, there's a lot to learn here. Something new about persons.   Yeah. Yes. And,   and it's all important.   And and nobody in for the most part, none of our judges or lawyers understand what I just explained to you folks   because they were never exposed to it. Here, Mary. Here's what happened.   John, my law teacher, as he's figured this out over the years,   he decides he calls he wants to find out about the internal,   application of this stuff. And so he contacts one of the deans of one of the law schools   out there in,   Utah.  

And so he gets the dean on the phone, so obviously, the smaller smaller school.   And he goes, well, I like to come back, think about coming back to to take some classes and this, that, and the other. And the dean goes, great. We man, we'd love to have you. And they're having side conversations. And John goes, well, you know, Dean, I'm particularly interested in the word person.   Dean goes,   oh, well, no problem. We teach that.   We teach it in a course called jurisprudence.   It's a elective course.   And when we get enough students signed up, we teach it.   And so John very astutely asked,   when was the last time you taught it?  

And he goes,   six years ago.   So six classes graduated from his law school without being exposed to the legal concept by the word person.   All statutes are written for persons,   things,   or actions.   Persons,   things,   or actions. Majority of them for persons.   So these judges and these lawyers don't even understand this difference in personhood.   There can be different ones in how they're determined?   You would you understand why we're in so much freaking trouble?  

[01:20:29] Unknown:

Yes. Hey, Raj?  

[01:20:32] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:20:33] Unknown:

Any interest in, what AI says about the origin of the word citizen?  

[01:20:39] Unknown:

Sure. Go ahead and read it to us.  

[01:20:42] Unknown:

The AI overview   for a Google search origin of the word citizen says,   the word citizen originated in the middle ages derived from the old French word,   meaning city,   and its related form,   city,   meaning city dweller,   ultimately tracing back to the Latin word civitas,   which referred to a community or the condition of a citizen.   The Latin word civitas itself comes from civis,   meaning townsman.   Over time, the term evolved from referring to a city inhabitant   to a broader sense of a member of a state or nation   holding certain rights and responsibilities.   Personally AI did you use? Oh, which IAI did you use? Just just the Google AI overview   from a Google search. Personally,   I blame Batman   because Batman was the first time I ever heard the word citizen. It was on the TV show Batman and Robin,   and all   people in Metropolis were considered citizens   of   Metropolis.  

Mhmm. No. Was it no. Gotham.   Good citizens of Gotham.  

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Gotham. Yes. That was that was Superman.   Alright. Well, boy, whatever you said brought about a wrath of people out.   I I heard   Rick there, but I'm gonna go to the female,   of course. Yes, ma'am. What did you have?  

[01:22:14] Unknown:

This is Nancy. I just wanted to say that in the Bible,   the apostle Paul was was a citizen of Rome.   So   whether that's, you know so in terms of origin of the word citizen   or the concept of citizen, that's what comes up for me is that he it's they declared   they that was that's stated in   gospels, that he was a citizen of of Rome. I am. Alrighty.  

[01:22:44] Unknown:

Thank you, Nancy. Rick?  

[01:22:49] Unknown:

I'm just correcting Paul. Metropolis was Superman,  

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I think.  

[01:22:54] Unknown:

Okay. Thank you.  

[01:22:56] Unknown:

Oh, and and she's right.   The apostle Paul was a citizen a Roman citizen, and that's why the Roman soldiers protected him.   No one   could could bother a Roman citizen   in in, in Judea or Galilee or wherever.   They were subject to death if if they harmed a Roman citizen.  

[01:23:16] Unknown:

Gotcha. Like an Israelite   in The US today.  

[01:23:21] Unknown:

Yeah. That's why he was free to travel   and spread the word, and he was protected because he was a Roman citizen.  

[01:23:28] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Didn't know that. Didn't realize it anyway. Thank you, Nancy. Thank you, Rick. Who else has got something here on this Tuesday morning show? It's been a good I like teaching this stuff Hey, Roger. Simply because nobody else knows it, really. And I'm just trying to spread it out so we don't lose that sort of thing. And Bob is always very, very helpful in doing things like that. Aren't you, Bob?  

[01:23:51] Unknown:

Well, I try to be.   Yep. I don't know that I can agree that Paul was a Roman citizen.   He was a Roman. Oh. But I can't I I am not in a position right now to do the research and come up with the with the verse,   but there's a particular place in the New Testament where it talks about Paul having the position of, if I'm not mistaken I know Mark is aware of this because we've discussed it,   Romeos.   It is a   I infer it to be basically the same status as a national   as opposed to a citizen. He was Roman,   but I don't believe you could set yes, ma'am. Can you reimburse  

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reinforce that thought? You got it. It's Romeo.  

[01:24:32] Unknown:

That's the natural person. Mark Merca. Talk right in the microphone.  

[01:24:38] Unknown:

Sorry, Roger. I don't have my headphones on.   But,   Bob is correct. It's Romeo's   natural   person,   the natural visual of the world, which is the national   under Bob. They   presumed him   presumed   him to be a Roman citizen.  

[01:25:01] Unknown:

Okay. It's kind of like a US citizen.  

[01:25:05] Unknown:

Alright. Bob, you wanna add one more comment? That was that was the first time Russia was mentioned in the Bible because he was a Romanian.  

[01:25:17] Unknown:

Well, it's similar to the idea that we can be considered   US persons,   but it's not necessarily the case. In fact, it's not that we are citizens. So he was in that same position as I understand it. He was a Roman,   But he wasn't only a Roman.   He was a Roman with that particular   distinction,   not a citizen.   And And I think   can you come up with the chapter and verse, Murkah? I don't have it available to me right now. I'm traveling.   I'll I'll look it up, and then I'll share it. I have it Okay. Yeah. I'd appreciate that. Well, what it is, it it came in the context of when these guards or whoever it was realized that he was Romeos, they trembled   because they realized they had screwed up,   and that,   pretty stark.  

That's true. I'm gonna mute out. I'm in a public area here. I got some noise coming, but I just wanted to mention that. It's a very important distinction.  

[01:26:16] Unknown:

I think it's nice. Is real clear. There are not any background noise real clear, Bob. Well, there will be.   Okay. Alright. Well, I'll take your word for it. Hold on, Roger. I think it's Marco. Yeah, Marco. He's barely here. He's been go ahead.  

[01:26:31] Unknown:

Sorry. I don't have my headphones. I don't have an account That's okay. Right now. But,   the u, the IRS   may  

[01:26:41] Unknown:

Somebody's heavy. Somebody's heavy. Hold on, Marco. Somebody's heavy breathing in into their microphone. If you could pull the   phone back just a little from your XAL. Go ahead, Marca.  

[01:26:52] Unknown:

I just wanted to share that the IRS   makes the distinction   for us is that we are non   US persons.   Yeah. That's part of a definition.  

[01:27:05] Unknown:

Non Yep. And that's another one of these custom labels, US persons,   they put on you if you're a citizen of The United States under the fourteenth amendment. Yes. Okay. Thanks, Martha.   Who else is Tom, you were trying to say something. Hey, Tom.  

[01:27:23] Unknown:

Hey. Good morning.   I've been, I've been listening to this   discussion since you started.   And these   you know, if you if you get into a conversation with somebody   and they start using, you know, they say, you know, they say something and there's a word in there that you don't know what it is,   You're gonna say, well,   what what does that mean? What does that word mean? What, you know, what is that, you know, and they're gonna tell you what they think about what that word or what the why they're using that specific word.   What I used to do when I was dealing and sending communications back and forth to our friends at DC,   one of the things I did was at the beginning, I always listed   a list of questions. Okay, what does   the term taxpayer mean? What does individual mean? What does   person mean? I did all of that stuff.  

When you're dealing with anybody, I don't care if it's   the meter made   or somebody in DC,   you've got to get a basis   of definitions   down. Now,   a lot of people including those in government,   especially the ones that have no idea what we're talking about, they're going to use definitions of the common   usage and the common definition of words that everybody thinks they know. But when you're dealing with laws and statutes   like that, there,   in any of those   statutes, they can say, well, in   this particular section of this code, dog means cat and cat means dog.   Okay. If you don't understand the definitions of the words that are you're using or they're using most what most, you know, pertinently   is that you need to get a get a basis down,   for cops to option, are you a driver?  

What's a driver?   What's a driver's license? What's the definition of a license?   And if they don't understand, you can't have a   fruitful conversation with somebody, a discussion with them if you're using one definition, and they think the word means something completely different.   So anytime you're dealing with people, you've gotta get your your definition   straight.  

[01:29:37] Unknown:

Have you ever heard of a guy named Voltaire?  

[01:29:41] Unknown:

Oh, yeah.  

[01:29:43] Unknown:

His saying was before we discuss,   let us define our terms.   He understood. Okay. So all that's perfect. Evidently going on on all the way back then. Okay.  

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Yeah. Before we discuss to court and the judge says, are you a resident? Well, what's a resident? I mean, define a resident. What what do you how do you define a resident? They're using the simple terms that, you know, I live over here, so I'm residing.   You know, are you using that in a geographical sense or using that in a political sense? Absolutely.  

[01:30:13] Unknown:

That's the question.  

[01:30:15] Unknown:

Yep. Yeah. That's the question right there. Yeah. You you don't don't assume that these people have the same definition that you do.   You you really need to hammer them on these and, you know, that sometimes will just shut them down because then they, you know,   well, why does it why are you saying it's this when the statute says it's that?  

[01:30:34] Unknown:

Well, I would just about guarantee you can't go. I I doubt if you could find a judge that you could get in front of that understands   the origins of the word resident and its applications in the fourteenth amendment. Right.  

[01:30:47] Unknown:

Yeah. If you could find that We can't move forward. Yeah. We can't move forward until we're both using you know, we both understand the definitions.   Now if you're going to say that,   you know, a resident is in geographical sense,   then let's put that on the record. Because if you're gonna try to use it in a political sense, then we've got a problem, and we can't move forward.   So I don't know. Just just just just just just about listening to everybody talking.  

[01:31:13] Unknown:

Yeah. And the term as it says and I found this in the official code of Georgia annotated.   It's in the traffic section. It's talking about residency.   And there's,   some of the listeners have gone and looked it up. Okay?   And the first paragraph is if you've been in the state longer than thirty days or whatever, then there's another little paragraph like that. And then underneath those two, there's one line, Tom, and it says the term resident is a rebuttable presumption.  

[01:31:41] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:31:42] Unknown:

There you go. It's right there in the code. Now all the states   have what's called uniform traffic codes.   So that statement in some way, shape, or form is in every state's drivers in the codes in the driving section   somewhere.  

[01:31:59] Unknown:

Right.  

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Okay? Yep.  

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But, again, if you're gonna rebut it, you have to know which definition you're rebutting. Are you rebutting it in a geographical  

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sense? Well You know? That's I don't I'd rebutted in telling them what it accurately is and what I claim to be. And that way, they can figure out all that other crap. Okay?   So,  

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I'd like to put I like to put them in a bind and saying, well, what's your definite? Tell me the definition. What why are you what's the definition of this word you're using? And just show them just you know, if somebody came to my house and said,   we, you know, we we believe you're a US resident. Well, to find that way, you know,   I say I'm a national. Or or say who were to turn around and ask me, well, what's a national? I'd say, what do you mean what's a national? I mean, you're law enforcement. You're supposed to understand these terms. If you don't understand what a national is, then you better go back, figure out what it is, and then come back because then we can have a fruitful discussion. Because if you don't understand the words that I'm using   and understand what they mean in the law, then how are we ever gonna have a conversation to get anywhere? We're just gonna be, you know, going around, running around the barn chasing each other. It is. It is. It is. It's a little bit of a button answer.  



[01:33:11] Unknown:

They're on the courts.  

[01:33:14] Unknown:

I couldn't Yeah. But you stepping on you. You can say saying that somebody said they own the courts. Of course, they do. It's on their   jurisdiction. I like Mark's idea of putting in Yeah. What is it? What do you call it, Paul? A memorandum of law. Something and laying out our facts and entering it as in that you're asking for their judgment on it. K?   Declaratory judgment. Declaratory judgment. And so if they say no, it doesn't agree agree, I think that's appealable.   So that is a way to get it into the court without having a case against you and asking for their opinion. And then   should they go ahead and rule the accurately,   well, then you've got a court judgment in your area that these things are correct.  



[01:33:59] Unknown:

Oh, just when I went to when I went to to apply to register to vote Roger here,   we went and I I told her that I tried to fill out your documentation   online, but it wouldn't let me say no to, you being the US citizen   because it wouldn't let me continue. So I printed it out and I marked it no on this piece of paper here because I'm not a US citizen. I'm a national. And she goes, well, what's a national? I said, what do you mean what's a national? You don't know what a national is? I said, how are we ever going to be able to communicate here?   And she was Are you a are you a take it. We'll send it up a line.  



[01:34:34] Unknown:

Well,   this this this is the are you a citizen of The United States? No. I'm a citizen of The United States Of America.  

[01:34:42] Unknown:

Throw that at them. Alright. There you go. Yeah.  

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Here you go. Yeah. They'll go like, well, what's the difference? Well, obviously, there must be a difference if there's two different terms.  

[01:34:52] Unknown:

You're a government official, don't you? Aren't you? You're supposed to know that kind of stuff? Right.  

[01:34:57] Unknown:

Exactly.   So they're acting on a they're acting from a place of ignorance   or assumption. You know, they're assuming that all this means the same thing. Come on. We're just gonna keep you their little rose colored glasses and smack them in the head with them. Fifty three percent of the people in the country can't read past the third or sixth grade level, and twenty one percent are totally illiterate.   That's what that survey can do. And if you're writing script, if you're writing cursive, they can't even do that. There you lose even more people.  

[01:35:28] Unknown:

Wow.   Okay. Now, Azana, was that you? Did I hear Azana? Alright. I'm done.   I'll tell you much. Later, Tom. Alright. You feel do you feel better? That's what I need to know. Thank you.   Is Azana with us?   Well, there's Rick. Rick's with us.   Okay. Hold on. Let me deal with Rick first. Yes?  

[01:35:50] Unknown:

In Acts chapter 16 verse 37, 38 and in Acts chapter 22,   25 through 28, Paul states that he was born a Roman citizen.   His citizenship status is the reason he can successfully   appeal to the emperor.  

[01:36:06] Unknown:

There you go. Okay. Well, there's an answer to that.   Now who is who is, the second guy? Was that his honor?  

[01:36:15] Unknown:

No. This is,   Sam Piper from   Sugar Tintzap Care.  

[01:36:21] Unknown:

Well, I'll be darned. Hey, Piper. How are you doing?  

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Doing just fine. I got a couple of things to pass on, directly to you and also to Paul who's come up with some really good comments here now.   This has been one hell of a long   discussion about people and persons and things like that.   It's   what they do sometimes is take the term and they they redefine it. So,   that's what we're talking about, redefinitions. And so getting definitions out there is very important. But they still own the court, so you kinda have to keep the fingers crossed. You have a decent judge.   So here are my two people I want to address. And first one is you, Roger,   about Rockefeller.  

You mentioned that Rockefeller's  

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wealth does not come from oil. It comes from the medical arena. And that No. No. That's not what I said. No. No. No. That's not what I said. I said cancer is the family business.   They were in the cancer business   before they got in the oil business. That was my statement. I didn't attribute oil.  

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I'm gonna add you're right. I'm gonna add something to that.   The they're all the the the the most the best income   commodity out there is oil.   What is the second   commodity income in the world?   And you are correct.   It is cancer, but what treats cancer?   Chemo. Coffee. Where where where is the chemo made, Roger? Where is it made? In the Denona Nuclear Power Plant in Israel. That's where it comes from.   And that's one of the reasons why they're going after I know that. That that's a 100% accurate information. It's not well known. And that's the reason why they're going after Iran to shut them down is because Iran is selling the chemo they make and their centrifuges for 10%.   And that's why we're going into Iran. They want Iran shut down because they're they're messing around with their money. That's a 100% accurate information right there. It certainly wouldn't surprise me, Piper. Not a bit.  

Okay. Paul.  

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Paul,   what  

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did you do? You made you made a comment about about, a a a a way to save,   Israel, the Gaza. And you made a comment about returning the lands,   returning it back to to,   Palestinians   You did. For the last four, six months.   Yeah. I I have promoted something that I think you need to listen to, and I hope you pass it on to other people. And that is there won't be a two two state,   solution to this to this nonsense.   The the lands controlled by the Israel, the Jews must be returned to Palestinians,   100%.   And then we implement the Byzantine Empire restrictions on Jews which means this,   they cannot take part   in politics,   they cannot be assigned to gatekeeper positions   or positions of power and authority. They can be merchants and merchants only.  

That's it. And that should be also applied to every country out there that has these same problems.   To to implement   a good takeover,   the people running for representatives   in each country and each position   need to be born from that country.   Their parents have to be born from that country, and their grandparents have to be born from that country. That just about washes out an awful lot of nonsense.   Now those who don't agree with us need to be packed need to be packed into cattle cars and sent to the solid green fertilizers,   slaughterhouses.  

And and that will take care of the whole damn problem worldwide. Just get them out and never let them, attack anybody ever again. They must be neutered and neutered properly.   And, I'm telling you, it's it's a bad stuff going on here. They've taken over everything, and that's how you that's how you kinda cleanse it out and cleanse it.  

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Well, the one of the ways they did that was be because they were relegated only becoming merchants. They became damn good merchants and amassed all this wealth. And now they're using that against us in positions of power.  

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Well,   fifteen, twenty years ago, I I was told, privately that,   the the city of London, the Rothschild there,   was 650,000,000,000,000.  

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Oh, I'm I'm sure. I'm sure the between them and the Rockefellers,   Rothschilds they own,   well, it's 89%   of the pub wealth in the world.  

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Or control. That information I just gave gave to you is pretty accurate and, you can pass it on to you. It is accurate. Oh, that was a great idea.  

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Yeah. Hunter. And you know who, the where that came from was Ezra Pound.   Ezra Pound's the one that came out and put that out.   Twelve hundred years Byzantine Empire because they wouldn't let the Jews in politics,   finance, or teaching.   And their agreement with them was, you don't come in and try and screw with our empire, and we won't kill you.  

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Yep. And that agreement lasted quite some time. It need to be implemented again. And also the There it does. The the,   US US nations is right now meeting in in New York. And, there's a lot of Arab nations and other, actually, other nations that that want to want to recognize,   a two state, for for,   Lebanon not Lebanon, but for,   for Palestine. And and that's not in a war. They they they can't they can't get along to each other. They've got to be they gotta be neutered, and Jews have to be at at the return, the lands that they just slaughtered. And then we have to turn around and get some some reparations for the Palestinians. And I think probably what we need to do is have those reparations last, oh, let's say, to be fair, how about six million years?  

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How about, you know, reparations for the Palestinians? How about reparations for us?  

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That's what I just finished saying.  

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No. You said Palestinians.  

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Right. The the the Palestinian well, okay. You know, that's you do it anyway you want, but that they have to be neutered. And there's no other way that it was dead in the way that the two state solution is not gonna work. They'll just and Israel will always they'll always   attack that's how they do it. They work both sides. Yeah. And and the and the banks come in and finance both sides, and who ends up paying for it? You and me. Well, that's why I say the only solution is we gotta live  

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apart from them. They've gotta live apart from us or we're gonna kill each other.   The that's to me appear to be the only solutions because, once our this ever gets out, we our people will not be enslaved by these monsters again. Now was that Mer trying to say something? There's a couple females,   Piper, so hold on here. Yes. Well, there's Merka. Okay. But was that were you trying to say something or was it somebody else? Yes. Earlier and then Joan jumped in too. I think it was.  

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I just wanted to say I agree with what, I think his name is Piper.  

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Shane Piper.  

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Yeah. That's I mean, they did that before, so why not implement it again now? And then for the person thing, the person word and,   using the word person,   you could. But the difference between us and them is that we are in the private. We can see private people, one of the people,   or,   versus the public, you know, private versus public.   We're the private people. That's the easiest thing you could say,   even in court because,   you know, using their your their CLOWN Act words, which   they want you to use and ask, you know, I'm a man of the land or a man of the soil,   you're a private individual.  

You're a private you're a private national   American national.  

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Yeah.   Okay. Now, Joan, were you trying to say something?  

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I just said to Sandpiper.   I just said yeehaw   and write on Sandpiper.  

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I got one more thing. Thank you very much for that. And, Roger, I got one more thing to pass on real quick.  

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Alright. Go ahead.  

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Alright. America is broken into two countries.   United States is run by Washington, DC only.   United States Of America is run by the Constitution   There's a 50 states.   Which one do you belong to? The The United States is citizens.   United States Of America are your nationals. And don't get yourself confused.   And that's as easy as I can I can make it sound? I've mentioned that to you before. If you break it into two two countries, people understand that much easier.  

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Piper, what the excuse me. What the hell do you think we teach around here?  

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Well, you need It's not it's not  

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He needs to understand that The United States is not a country.   It's a corporation,   and there's a definition that's documented fact and verifiable   for him to look at.   We need to teach the people correctly.   United States is not a country. It's a corporation.  

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Okay. You call it what you want to, but to to to break it like that is is to make a a a a Washington DC is a corporation too. Is it not? All   corporations.  

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All corporations.  

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A lot of confusion. Okay?   If you break it apart like that and explain it, it it people don't understand that there's not a second solution another second selection from the US citizen when they're asked to be a US citizen. I've been I've been teaching here for fifteen years. That's what I teach.  

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You're relatively   new and coming in, and the second time you've   injected and added things to the conversation. So let you get it get it in perspective. Okay?  

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We've been teaching that. I've been around for over twenty years. I I've forgotten more than you know about what's going on. So it was blue Alright. Alright,  

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mister you haven't been listening to this show twenty years because it hadn't been on the air twenty years.  

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I've been listening to you off and off for fifteen years.  

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Okay. I've been on the air about fifteen years.   But you're saying that we're not doing things that we're we're doing the whole time. No. No. No. No. We're just trying to correct you.  

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Well, thank you. But   okay.   We'll just leave it like that. Okay? You keep doing what you're doing. That's fine with me.  

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Alright. I do not confuse you.  

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I'm I'm confusing you. You explain to them that there's another option other than US citizen.  

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I'm confusing people?  

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People ask that yeah. If they're not told that they've got a US that that there's another selection of a US citizen,   it confuses people.   Well, then You you cover the territory. Good. But if if you break it into the two countries, that's the best way that I've seen that that make will understand it real quick. Okay. Well, I approach it from a lot of different ways.   And You do no. You do a great job. You do a great job doing it, and and your callers are very good too.   But I'm just making some suggestions, and the information I gave to you is also accurate. And, so you can do with it what you want to. And, Paul, I hope you Okay. That that Byzantine Empire is a great way to get things straight straightened out real quick.  

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Yep. Agreed. Okay. Thank you, Piper.   Anybody got anything to add to, what we've been talking about here for a minute?  

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There's a female state to Piper that,   he needs to understand that it's part of the education. People need to detox The United States indoctrination   and understand   and take the facts and knowledge   of what we're teaching because that you know, it has to be the correct way that they're teaching we're teaching them because if we say United States is a country,   then we're still misleading them,   and it's incorrect.  

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May I That's lady regarding federal entity.  

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Yep. Yeah. Thank you. Yes, Linda?   Okay. You're welcome, Linda. Yes.  

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Yeah. US versus Cruikshank.  

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Okay.  

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Was it?   Cruikshank  

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was about dual citizenship.  

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Okay. You cut out a second ago. US versus Crookshank. I've heard the case. I can't recall it immediately. Can you give us a little background on that, Linda, please? I I believe it's about dual citizenship.  

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So I can see where Piper's coming from   because there was the, state citizen, which was the old word,   versus the, federal citizen.   And,   I can see where he's coming from. When you have dual citizenship, that means you have two countries. There's The United States, and then there's The United States Of America.  

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Yeah. Well, you can't get beat both of those because one of them gets gets man   privileges from the fourteenth amendment and the other one has God given rights. I don't believe those two can be   the same thing. Now now you're getting to the point of what basis did they overturn Plessy versus Ferguson on to bring forth Brown versus Board of Education   to close the scheme where they could bring in the tax   system at the last? And screw us all.   How do you know, that's I've mentioned that numerous times.   I don't know what kind of Correct. You're   using.  

But whoever's gonna get that why  

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I broached the subject as a question. I broached the subject as a question,   cruise   US versus Cruikshank,   and I believe it's about dual citizenship.  

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And I yield. That's all I wanted to say. I yield. Thank you. Thank you, Linda. Well, it goes back to my question for a long time. What tortured or legal reasoning did you they use   to make people with god given rights and fourteenth amendment rights the same? Because that's what they say. Equal in the classroom, equal in the society.   What tortured legal reasoning brought forth that conclusion?   Stumped as I am.   Okay. Well, there's another layer of the fraud right there. Alright? Another reason why they have to recognize the affidavit   right there, layer upon layer upon layer of fraud.  

They know it,   but they're going under the auspices that fraud isn't fraud until it's discovered.   So now we've discovered it. We take the remedy that's prescribed for us to officially   separate ourselves from you, Jewish bastard slavers,   and   screw you.   Who wants to say something?   Fight it. Fight it. Do something. Tell us we can't do it.   Arrest us. Beat us.   Do something.   They won't.   They stand mute.   Who else has got something to say? We're approaching the end of the program here.   If you got something to say, you better say it right now.   Azana, you're not you're not out there to go over   your your deal. Azana wrote me an email this morning.  

The gal finally called him back and said, no. You can't have this position because you're not a citizen of The United States. And Azana wants to wants to sue him.   So,   I've said, get ahold of Mark.   Get ahold of Mark, Ezana.   K?  

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Either way, it brings up a question. Which god are you referring to?  

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Is   in what in what, context?  

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Well, you refer to God, which one you're referring to? It's 3,000 different religions out there. I said  

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I said what context?  

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Their God's a  

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their God's a little g God. Our god's a big g god. Is that clear enough?  

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Well, it's my understanding that millions and millions and names years ago, man came from the sea.  

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Okay. Well, alright.  

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Yeah. I hope you're got it. You of same guy. Jesus.   That that Satan's got it right there. That's what I'm trying to get   straightened out because they all have their own little ideas about religion. You get religion you take politics and religion out of decisions, you'll make much better decisions, and that's just flat Okay. Good information.  

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Well, there's two types of gods, big g and little g, just like Lloyd Blankfein got up in front in the two thousand and eight housing crash as president of Goldman Sachs in front of a bunch of people. And somebody asked him about stealing houses. He said, we're doing God's work. Which God do you think he was referring to?  

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Everybody assumes that it's that  

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Well, I know what everybody.   Oh, I know what everybody assumes. But I ask you Uh-huh.   Directly, which god do you think he was referring to? You asked me which one I was referring to.  

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Well, people get upset, but I I don't have a god. I have a goddess.   She she started in a movie   Oh, okay. She started in a movie called Goldfinger many years ago, and her name was Pussy Galore, and I've loved her ever since.  

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Okay. Well, good for you.   Yep. I'm not here to tell you anything about your religion. You can go worship a telephone pole if you want to. I don't care. Uh-oh.  

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Uh-oh. Didn't didn't you hear your god didn't you hear your your your Jesus say that they hated me before they hated all of you?   It's a good it's a good something to refer  

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to. Oh, alright. Who is this I'm talking with here?  

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You're talking to the sandpiper.  

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Oh, so you you still I Okay.  

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My observation is if you've been listening for fifteen years, you haven't heard a thing.  

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I I I agree with Bob. Stupid to understand that comment.  

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You're too stupid to understand that comment. Wow. Is that it? Okay.  

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Alright, Piper. Well   Pot meat kettle. Oh my goodness. I I tried to answer your question.  

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You're you've come in here to I think we have a new Ferris. I think we have a new Ferris of a new of a new, iteration of Ferris. Don't don't even don't even.  

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Okay.   Well, good good for you and the sea goddess there, Piper.   So, anyway, that we try and get people,   out of federal citizenship, and we try and get them oriented   in a correct spiritual direction, but those choices are both ultimately up to you. So, whatever you wanna do and blows your dress up, you go do it. I'm not gonna tell you to do anything.   My job here is not to do that. My job here is to let you know you had a choice that you didn't know you had.   So there you go. This is Bruce.   Hey, Bruce.  

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Hi. I enjoyed the little old conversation y'all were having, and I think the guy's just a jinxter.   Well,  

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I I don't know.   Mur knows him. He I guess she   turned him on over here. He said he's been listening for fifteen years. I agree with Bob. If he has, he hadn't taken too much away from it.   So, anyway, we're at the end of the show right here. So pardon me? Roger.  

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Yes, Gary. Hello, Roger.  

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Hello, Gary. One thing I want to add you was talking about a little earlier   is I've always taught my people in my classes   that the very first thing you need to do,   the very first thing,   anytime you're reading the USC,   the CFR,   a statute,   anything,   Read the definitions first   because they changed the words   from the common meaning   to their legal meaning.  

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Yep. They sure do. Amen.  

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They do it, Gary.   Thank you, buddy.   So also We got you go yes.  

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Hey.   If you go into court   and in your court documents,   you wanna say the sky is green   for your whole court situation.   The sky is green.  

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Yep.   Plaintiff said All the way to the supreme court   if it goes there. Right. All the way.  

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Alrighty. Hey. If you wanna say your person  

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Go ahead. Can I finish?  

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Yes. Yes. If you wanna say little bit of a lag here. I'm sorry. Go ahead.  

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Well, you know I'm in the mountains, Roger.  

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I can hear it. Yep. Go ahead. If you  

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if you wanna say a person   is that sheep's not here in my field,   then guess what? From that on point, that sheep is a person.   True.   Maybe that'll clear up a little bit of definitions for people. Well, I don't know. He's just he's totally accurate. So,  

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you know, like, Rush Limbaugh said, words mean things.   In this instance, they're gonna mean that we're in in entering the end of the program because that's that Whistler guy, and he's gonna do some expert whistling for a minute. And we're gonna say,   we hope we, see you. When we come back tomorrow, we'll see what the rest of the day brings.   Don't know if,   if this is all UN oriented today or what.   But, anyway, we're I can tell you one thing. There's a bunch of people think we're already in a civil war,   including Michael Jan,   including Martin Armstrong,   including,   who was the other guy I heard? They're all bunch of peoples. They were already in the front end of it.  

Please take care of yourselves out there. Be conscious where you are, who's next to you. If you can, carry some sort of a piece,   defensive, obviously, and, be very careful. We're entering into very turbulent waters, I'm afraid, Paul. Did you have something to add? Alright. I want yeah. Go ahead, Julie. Quick.  

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I'll wait till after the thumper. I'll wait till after.  

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Always Where's Charlie's blood?  

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Pardon me?  

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Where's Charlie's blood?  

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Yeah.   Yeah. Well,   I don't know, man. Listen. That whole thing is just so   who knows? I agree. Oh, okay. I'm not gonna waste my time chasing it. I'm a wait and see what comes out of it. Anyway, we're gonna lay our bodies down here. We're gonna come back tomorrow,   and maybe even tomorrow tomorrow, we'll have Mark. We'll see. I hadn't heard from him in about ten days. I hope everything's alright up there.   So, we'll hopefully see you tomorrow. If not, we'll see you soon. Ciao ciao.   Alright. Julie, what did you have now?  

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You're talking about the civil war and stuff, and there's an interview with,   Martin Armstrong. And I can't remember the name of the other individual, but   he's   Martin Armstrong is just really   stressed out, really distressed. He said that,   he received a classified document that,   all these hospitals from France to Germany   said to prepare for mass mass casualties.   Then he said that Romania was just forced to take an extra 100,000   migrants   into their country. They're being trained for the battlefield.   Then he also said that,   Europe is such a mess because,   Chancellor Helmut Kohl never listened to him in the 90s when   he was the instrumental person in rolling out the euro.  

And he said he didn't listen to me. He didn't consolidate the debt and that's why they're in this situation they're in right now. Number two,   Chancellor Helmut Kohl never let his people have a vote on the,   on the euro because if they did, he would have lost seven to three and the euro would have never been   born.   And he also said that   he believes when the CBDC   rolls out that the   other going to cancel all the usage of crypto   cryptos   in, and in and throughout Europe because of the fact that the cryptos will compete against the CBDCs. And they don't want that. So,   it was very dismal the whole entire time I listened to him on the show. It was just horrible news.  

What that was Armstrong being interviewed by who, Julie? I can't remember who it was. I I was looking for it, and I can't find it.   I'm gonna have to find it and and report on it tomorrow. I was just looking,   for it when when you guys were discussing, and I can't find it. I watch him all the time, and he's always got new stuff coming out. But his   he was saying something about we have two wars going on.   And then,   and he just was saying it's inevitable   for it's inevitable. And then he was look he was talking about all the countries that are paired up for war. He was like, he got Pakistan and he got India going at it. You've got North Korea and South Korea going at it. You got China, you got Venezuela, you got Russia, you got The United States, you got Israel, you got Iran, and he just went on and on and on. And he said that he has never seen any like anything like this in his entire life,   and he's very,   very distressed about everything taking place.  



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Take care of yourselves. Get in as good a position as you can. We're we've got very turbulent waters up ahead, and they may get there here before we think they are.  

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So Yeah. He did say one good thing. He he did say one good thing, Roger. He did say that he of course, we've got all these sleeper cells that were let in under the Biden administration   that are lurking about   within our cities. But he did say that   he doesn't expect it to get Connecticut here from the standpoint with troops and stuff.   But he said that, you know, the whole world is gonna the whole rest of the world is gonna be going to war, and we're gonna be   involved with our money and arms that we're sending to to all It very well may be kinetic where he's gonna declare  

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law and send troops in Chicago,   LA.   He's he's going into Memphis   with the per with the at the request of the Tennessee governor. So that's a little different situation.  

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Yeah. But we'll see as we go forward. It's a very Yeah. No. I was I'm just talking. I think he was referring to the fact of, like, you know, where you have all these submarines and all these boats with overseas,   armies and stuff   setting foot into our shores is where he was coming from from that. But anyway,   I I love that guy. That guy is just so smart. The way he thinks and the way he analyzes things is like nobody else.  

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Martin Armstrong?  

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Yep. He's a genius.  

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Okay.   Well, alright. Roger.   Yes. Well, there's Larry for the first time today. Hi, Larry.  

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Hello. I've been listening.   Did you listen to the memorial service  

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for Charlie Kirk? Pieces of it. Bits and pieces of it.  

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Yeah.   During Trump's, speech,   he, he brought up the fact that he will fix   Chicago   because   that was what that was something that was dear and near to, Charlie Kirk's heart.   And so,   Trump is very focused on solving that problem,   you know, as a sake, in the for the sake of   you know, do something for his mem for Charlie Kirk's memory.  

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Okay.   Well, Chicago can certainly use a lot of fixing.  

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Hey, Roger.  

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Bob.  

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Yes, sir.   Well, I had something happen a week ago, Sunday,   that,   kinda   kind of a,   what do you call it, catalyst, if you will?   Yeah. My daughter and I were traveling.   She was behind the wheel in a neighboring county   in which we have no papers, you know, no notices put forward there.  

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Mhmm.  

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She has never done any of that. It's kind of a family dynamic thing between mom and I. She's   happy enough to be a national, but she's just never moved any farther forward than that.   Okay. So   it was a purely social,   travel. You know? We had gone over to,   neighboring county to   eat some food and have a little time,   and we're coming home. It's a little after dark, and we get pulled over for a stoplight for a, sorry, for a tag light out, which in fact it was.   And I had missed that.   And,   so   she just   plainly tells them she doesn't have a license and she didn't even have her passport with her. She for whatever reason, which kinda shocked me, she didn't have it. But, anyway, she presented them with nothing, and so they, of course, look at me.   And   not wanting anything to escalate on the side of the road, I just gave them my license.  

And   long and short of it is they issued me a ticket. Well, they issued her a ticket for driving with no license.   And, of course, we know factually that's not true, but that's beside the point if the judge decides he wants to act on it.   And   then gave me a ticket for allowing an unauthorized person to drive.   Here's the funny part. The whole issue of the tag light never got reinvestigated   or brought up again. They never asked for license and reg they never asked for registration insurance, anything like that, which I thought was pretty funny.   Anyway,   they have assigned the ticket saying it's not an admission to guilt, you know, making sure we understand that. Make a switch position so I'm in the driver's seat or in the in the,   behind the wheel. Let's put it that way. I found that to be an ineffect inoffensive way to say it without,   you know, defining driving or not driving. You're behind the wheel.  

And so they allow us to proceed,   which, you know, that's great.   And he actually said to my daughter, he said, well, the reason I'm not, you know,   being more harsh on you at this point in time here on side of the road is you you didn't gaslight me. He didn't say it that way, but that's what he meant.   You know, he didn't start offering excuses. You didn't do anything. He just said, this is this is the way it is.   So at any rate,   we got a court date of the October   1,   which is Wednesday next.   And   my daughter's inclination seems to be to just go to court, take the punishment, pay the fine, not make a fuss. And, of course, I don't really want to do that because it's a misdemeanor, and I don't want it on her license. I'd or on her   on her carry on her record.  

And here again, I don't know how they'll put it on her record because she doesn't even have any identification with the state.   Never had a driver's license, no state ID, no Social Security number,   etcetera.   But   it speaks to the idea of how deeply indoctrinated people are that,   you know, my daughter, even having known what she knows,   still   accepts the fact that this judge has jurisdiction over her, that this cop has jurisdiction over her, etcetera, etcetera.   Now, obviously, the best way to fight this is jurisdictional.   If anybody that I know has a case to be exempted from their jurisdiction,   it would be her. She has literally no nexus other than her physical presence.  

I, on the other hand, and I have communicated with Mark, and I also had communicated with Joe a bit,   in reference to how to proceed. But to me, it's all about jurisdiction because if you start getting into the minutiae of whether we were driving, which we clearly were not, driving is defined as commerce,   Whether we were in a motor vehicle, which we clearly were not because they're involved in transportation.   And if you're transporting, it's for hire.   None of those apply. You're never gonna get that across to a judge at a local level. I mean, it's just not gonna happen.   And, of course, she searched out the   code and figured out what it was and looked it over, and it's a second degree second degree misdemeanor with the potential of $500 fine and sixty days in jail. Well, she, of course, is   not excited about either of those, and   neither am I.  

But the simple fact that they let us drive away speaks to the idea that they're not probably gonna do anything about it, but you'd have no idea what the judge is gonna think, you know, fifteen days hence.   And,   so at any rate, it's one of those deals where   had we   both been more proactive and had papers over there, it's interesting to know what would have happened, but, of course, we never will.   Yes. I have   dallied   on doing anything like that because literally 95%   of my driving, probably more, is actually commercial.   My driving, my I don't I don't hardly travel. You know?  

Because I'm always in a company vehicle.   And even though it doesn't have the name on the side, it does it's registered to the company. So,   you know,   there's arguments to be made   that it's not   legitimately commerce even if you're in the company vehicle because if it doesn't if it's not something you can bill for,   you know, if it's just ancillary to the project,   it's actually not   considered commercial. You know? I'm going back a long ways here, but when   when,   Tom Schram gave the example of him when he went and got gizzard shad and took him to sell   at the local bait store, he was in commerce.  



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Correct.  

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But,   technically, according and I can't remember what the the case is   that Joe brought up.   I think it was Joe.   He brought up.   Technically, if you're not billing them for the driving for the for the mileage to deliver it,   that's not considered commercial.   The selling of the gizzard shad is, but the driving is not.   Interesting. You know?   In other words, if you're selling goods to somebody and you don't charge them for the delivery,   you're delivering it is not considered commerce.  

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That's very interesting find. Do you see Well, it is. Split so many hairs.   So many It is. Go ahead.  

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So at any rate, my my issue is this.   If she is unwilling to pursue it,   I   am I am,   the two cases are tied together by,   you know, proximity, if nothing else. I assume there'll be one after the other on the ledger.   What I'm trying to figure out,   and   neither Mark or Joe were very forthcoming on this, and I'm not blaming them. I know they're busy.   Is if at this late date,   we should bother to present. Of course, if my daughter's not willing to fight it, presenting it might only complicate things. And he says, oh my god. Now we got a sovereign citizen on our hands, and he actually does throw her in the clink. You know? No. It's hard.  

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Well, I think you should notice them as soon as possible.  

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Get it I'm aware of that. And I've and we've we've already talked. So, yes, I understand your position, and I respect it. I really do. But   my point is if she doesn't choose to fight it   excuse me. I'm talking.   If if she chooses not to fight it,   it's probably, at that point, only gonna make it worse   because he's gonna if she's unwilling to fight it, you know, there's no re at that point, you're literally showing yourself at the mercy of the court.   And   so I'm unwilling to take that step at this point until I get something out of her, you know, committing to the idea of, yes. I'm going to fight it. How how much is it? Other thing I don't under   well, it's a potentially   it's limited to $500   and sixty days jail.  

But Yeah. You know, that's hard to say what they could possibly do. Are they gonna throw the max at you? Obviously, the What? The sheriff's deputy wasn't particularly vindictive. You know? He let us drive away. What  

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Travel away.  

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What county? What county, Bob? The neighboring county is Highlands County.   Okay. Highlands County, which is Sebring.   And,   so at any rate,   if in fact she were to fight it,   I have you know, Mark made the observation. I've got less deniability because I actually have a license.   And, of course, it comes down to which person am I. Just because I have a license, it doesn't mean I'm driving at that point. I gave it to him because I didn't wanna muddy the waters with the passport.   And, I did have my card with me. I just chose to give him the license because I didn't want him you know, it's interesting. He pulled us over, and by the time we got back   by the time we got it all done, there were probably within ten, fifteen minutes. There were two other deputies there and two other cars.  

So it   tells me that something about the whole thing made them nervous, you know, in terms of, we might have one of these protesters, sovereign citizen type of guys. With all this stuff going on around the country, I can understand why.   Yeah. It never came up, but just their mere presence told me that there were they were they were nervous or anxious about it, if you will. They were being precautious. Your dog. Cautious.   So at any rate, that's my situation, and I'm still trying to parse together how exactly we're gonna proceed.   Damn. I honestly don't care about a misdemeanor and a and a fine. It just really I mean, I don't wanna pay it. I don't wanna   done it on my record, but I I really don't care. To me, I'd look at it as political persecution.  

Yeah. Somewhat of a badge.   But I really don't want it on hers if she doesn't wanna fight it. And, of course, there's family dynamics with the other half and all that's Of course. Where all this kinda comes to comes to, a hit. I was just anyway fun. Have you checked to see if the guy has   a oath of office on file? That was Dave's injection. Well, I don't even know who the judge is. No. No. I've never I don't know who's the same to it.  

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You may wanna put into your considerations.   Now there's a female mumbling there a minute ago. What would you who was trying to say what?  

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I was just telling Bob I have some ideas, and I'll reach out to him.  

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Sounds good. I appreciate it. Marco. I think that was Mark. Yes. Okay, Bob. We'll I, You know? And what's the moral to the story? What's the moral to the story?  

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Well, to me, it would be put your notices in because even if you don't act on it, you've already got it done.  

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Uh-uh. Check your check your back end of your car, man. Don't check.   Your your lights are all working. Well well, there's that. Yeah.  

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Well, it's the little family truckster that I hardly ever drive. Mom's got her car, and this is the older   minivan that we scoot around town in, and I just, you know, kind of ignore it. Well And there you go. Pulled you over pulled you over because At your barrel. Might be in out. Yep. That's what I'm telling you.  

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Make sure you're under the speed limit. Make sure all your lights are functioning. Your turn signals are functioning. Be responsible. You wanted to be a national. Yep. You wanted to be self responsible,   be self responsible.  

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Also   Joan? Also also, do not drive at night.   Thank you. Bye.  

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Well, sometimes you should Well, I'll travel whenever I choose, but okay. Thank you.  

[02:16:44] Unknown:

Yes. So is your daughter married, Bob, or is she up to your house?  

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No.   She lives with me at the house.   Sorry. There's so much noise. I can't hear you. There's a lot of ambient noise on somebody's phone.  

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Yeah. I can send you some stuff if it's helpful,   update abatement, and then you you could take the lead on the thing and just, absorb the liability quote that they have for for her and put away the what they're trying to get is the commercial bonds, of course. So  

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Who's speaking? George? Is this George?   Yes. This is George. Speaking? Okay.   I had yeah. I had some wind Georgia and Idaho.  

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Yeah. So Okay. Restate  

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that, please. I can hear you clearly now. Well, she's under your coverture. You know? She's not married.  

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So you That's true. Leave. Just take full responsibility for everything and light at the cross of Christ. I'll send you some stuff on that and, you know, it's a way to do it.   It's a kind of abatement   and,   you know, but   you have to be willing to   to   chips fall. They might put a warrant out and all that kind of stuff too. So but you have then you can then you have to extinguish that as well. So Right. But Well, my biggest issue is long term, you know, long term in that town depending on what you wanna what you wanna do. You could probably do like what Joe did and, you know,   sync them at the prosecutor, you know, prosecutor level. If that's if he's making the claim, he's making the claim, you know, ultimately.  

So,   but it you know, it's not something we can kinda discuss on the phone right here. I could I could email you some stuff, whatever. So and then Yeah. Separate call, but yeah. But I yield.  

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Well, that'd be fine.   If you if you can give your information to Roger, he can get it to me. But,   the biggest issue here is just the divided house. I mean, it's it's a   it's   a family issue at home. You know? My wife is no has no interest in it to the point of almost being at having animosity towards the whole idea. She just thinks it's it's not just crazy. It's it's foolish. And, or it's not just wrong. It's   foolish, you know, to even pursue. And to me, that's   yeah.  

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Well, I can understand the frustration. Well, you're not the first that's happened to you, Bob.  

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Oh, I understand that. I understand that.  

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Okay. Well, at any rate, that's where we're at. I'm sorry to hear the tale of woe. Go back. Check your lights on your license.   Just do those kind of things. It's responsible.   You know? If not, look at that. Just I guess. Didn't know it. Didn't check it. Look at what it's, delivered. Here. Go ahead, Bob.  

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Yeah.   The other thing I'm curious about is let's just say we do,   the both of us,   pursue this in the in the,   as nationals and say you have no jurisdiction. The judge says, the heck I don't.   At that point   Personal. I assume.   Do what?  

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Personal jurisdiction.   He has jurisdiction.   Personal personum.   He has jurisdiction on subject matter in the streets in his county.  

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Okay. But what's the appeal?  

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Because You'd no. You would you would challenge on personal   no. You'd challenge on personal jurisdiction.   I'm just saying where the disconnect comes from. Because they they may think they're talking about subject matter jurisdiction. You're talking about personum. You you you need to address it on a specific approach  

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to me. Okay. So you're well, they probably think they have both because if you're a citizen, you know I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do. Exactly.   And your point is they have subject matter jurisdiction, but not person of jurisdiction. And in fact, they don't even have subject matter if you, in fact, were not driving,   were not in commerce,   were not transporting,   were not in a motor vehicle, all of those things. Then right. Then they don't have jurisdiction  

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because your puts on them exempts you from the subject matter.  

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Exactly. Exactly. So to me, it's all about the jurisdiction. I just don't know if I can you know, I I I can't force my daughter to do it.   And,   so, anyway,   my concern is   if   if I do and she   she   well, let's just say it could get you know, the if the judge senses   the judge could make it ugly if if if, he figures out that she doesn't know what she's talking about or she's equivocating.   You know? Right. Right. Hey, Bob. So at any rate  

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yes, sir. Well, I'm sorry you're in that mess. Keep us in the loop. Okay? Somebody Yep. Yep. Was there. I think Larry,   was that you before Paul? Sounded like Paul.   Alright. Paul, go ahead.  

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Question.   Is the van registered?  

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It is.  

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It is. It has it has a tag.  

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Okay. Well, then  

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Just not a tag light.   That's right. Okay. It does now, by the way by the way. That got fixed. Good. Oh, well Good. Well, that's good.  

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Okay. Got it. Because if the van wasn't registered, then the requirement   that that van was   a motor vehicle   wouldn't be true. But it is because under registration, it is defined   as a motor vehicle   Okay. Which is commerce. Well, yes.  

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But what's the definition of a motor vehicle, Paul?   A vehicle used in commerce,   if you'd break it down.  

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I don't know. Motor has to have a cord, doesn't it?  

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Doesn't matter. I hear you say that a lot. It's irrelevant.   I mean, I I like your sense of humor, but it's it doesn't matter. Well, no. That came from an attorney. That came from an attorney from Minnesota. But it but it's not relevant to the Federal Motor Code.   When you go back I mean, in searching through the state codes, I couldn't or statutes, I couldn't find anything that tied   it it tied transportation to commerce   even though I know it's so. But but but but if you take everything back to the federal motor carrier   code,   it's absolutely tied to commerce. And if the state wants federal money, they've got to adhere to that.  

And drive driving there again is a commercial activity, etcetera, etcetera, but it's hard to find in the state code.   Mark was mentioning that I needed to find it in the state code, but,   I can't really find it there. But if you tie it back into the federal code, it's absolutely clear to me and to Joe. Joe was I was watching some of his videos to bone up on it even though I'm aware of it. I didn't know, you know, chapter and verse and which code and which title.   But, anyway  

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Yeah. It's a conundrum.  

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Roger. I wish I had keep working. Tag light working.  

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Yeah. I bet. Yeah, Larry. Quick.  

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Yeah. I was just gonna suggest to Bob,   you know,   maybe he should just ask his daughter   what she wants to do and just do that.   And what what city and state did this happen in? Florida?  

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Yeah. It's over in Highlands County in Sebring near near Sebring.   Right. Your daughter was driving the car.   Yeah. Your daughter was driving the car. So My daughter was behind the wheel. Let's be let's be clear.  

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Well, I'm I understand all that. Okay? She was behind the wheel.  

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I know. But it's like money. Don't call it money.  

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I yeah. I get all that. But, you know I'm just saying yeah. I get it. You can't you can't force someone to, you know, go through a a traffic, you know, case. So maybe just, ask her what she wants to do. If she wants to pay the the fine, then just do it.  

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Well, that's pretty much what I've been saying the whole time. I'm dry I'm waiting to figure out what she wants to do. Because if I'm trying to force a round hole through a square peg, the judge is gonna shred the whole deal and and possibly look at everything adversarially. That's my point. But, anyway, I'm just bringing it forward so people are aware of what's going on. And to reinforce Roger's   position,   check your tag light, make sure your blinkers work, stop at all the stop signs, etcetera, etcetera, and get your notices out. And I was not doing it because I just wasn't concerned about it. And now I'm tied in   tangentially because and the funny thing is, I mean,   you know,   how do they know I gave her permission? She's she's of age.  

Right. She says she was doing it. You know? But, you know, they make a lot of us they make a lot of assumptions. Let's put it that way.   Quick question. Interestingly, the officer was very very courteous, very nice, very easy to deal with. But yeah. Okay. Well, that's good.   Just thought I'd bring that forward for everybody's,   edification, if you will. Well, we We'll see where it goes.  

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We needed something to ruminate on this afternoon, Bob. So thank you. Well, there you go.  

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There you go. Come in.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, by the way by the way, one other thing. Mark made the made the sage observation, and I'm I'm sure it's true.   Well, I shouldn't say it that way. He posed the question. I wonder how things would have turned out had the vehicle been in a trust   or the car been in a trust   because then there's no   tying it, you know,   from me to end to her so much as we're just father and daughter traveling.   Right. But like I say, there were assumptions made because they never even asked for the registration.   They never asked for insurance. They just, I assume, ran the tag and figured it, you know, it came back to my name, so they made assumptions. But had it been at a trust, that would have been a different story.  

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Well, I find a trust, and they still went after it. They still tried to   give me a $500 ticket, and I just sent them the abate. You know? So but   I don't know if there's warrants still out, but   if I drove that, I I drove that county or that, I should say, that state. Those you know, they would try and take the vehicle. But  

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Joe wants me to pursue a corpus delecti and say, where's the crime or where's the victim?   And, of course, I'm sure that'll go over like a brick in the some county courthouse.  

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Yeah. But court's question.  

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Legitimately true, but there again,   if the judge is having a bad day, it's not gonna fly.  

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So Sketch. Sketch. That's my situation. Ask okay. Sketch, were you trying to ask something? Yeah. Bob,  

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are you are you prepared are you prepared to appeal?  

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Well, that's the point. That's you know, I I'm   would rather avoid the litigation entirely, but I'm afraid this we're well past that. That horse already ran out of the barn.  

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Well, maybe if you pay the fine if you pay the fine, you might avoid that, but it is this is the question right there. Are you willing to take your life and put it on the back burner to pursue something that's   really in the scope of things pretty insignificant,  

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and I can't answer that. Well, the only thing I look   yeah. The only thing I look at is significant, Roger. It isn't the money, and it's not my getting a misdemeanor. I don't care.   It's it's something that would go on her,   record, if you will. I don't even know how they'd attach it given the fact that she doesn't have any tie to the state,   but that, you know, that bothers me some. But,   Yeah.   So Tell me. Mike, I'm curious if we if you pay the fine, isn't that an admission of guilt and you couldn't appeal, or can you say or are they gonna demand you pay the fine? You can't. No. If you pay the fine, you've agree you've it's an admission of guilt, I would assume. Yep.   Right. Right. Right. So   if you appeal it  

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Oh.  

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I assume that if you're not gonna if they can't force you to pay the fine, if you appeal it, they couldn't put you in jail either   if you're appealing it appealing it. And how high does that go and how much time do I wanna devote to it and all that? Yeah. I get it. That's the question.   Yeah. Thomas? If I if I were retired with fast reserves of time and money, I would relish it.   I have neither.  

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Yes.  

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Correct. Julie? Time and I have money, but not vast reserves.  

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Right. Julie? Yeah.  

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I was just gonna say, I mean, I know this is not the way we wanna do things, but,   here in my state, we have many people you can look up online   or on the courthouse that do traffic tickets. And if this is the first offense,   you know, these these people have   relationships with judges where either charges can be dismissed or and go away with a small   fee to pay. Sorry about that. Or,   I can't get that. I'm sorry.   Or,  

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I think your crypto just hit a new high, Julie. I'm sorry.  

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Sorry.   I wasn't expecting that. I don't have to shut it off. So either and you can pay the and you they can either make them go away or they can,   make the charges go down or whatever. And I, you know, I don't know. I had a girlfriend here who paid $200   for something to have her ticket completely dismissed because she hadn't had any tickets for, like, twenty five years. So if you're concerned about something being on your daughter's record, maybe you can charge it on your credit card or something and make payments. I don't know. But I guess it's an option. Not not an ideal option, but it's an option if you don't want that on the on your record. I yield.  

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Someone went to the sheriff and they had everything dropped. I forget who which gentleman that was. The guy in South Carolina.  

[02:30:44] Unknown:

That was the guy in South Carolina. Was it a sheriff that pulled you over, Bob, or county?  

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It would have been, a sheriff's deputy because we were outside city limits by far.  

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Okay.  

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So it'd have been Highlands County Sheriff's Office. Well, the other case is a little bit more severe. It included a number of years in different situations. But Yeah. You can be your sheriff maybe. You know, I talked to him personally. Bring your affidavit in and say, look. This sheriff is trying to do this. I didn't wanna have a case on the side of the road. They filed all these commercial things. We weren't out there for hire. You   know? And blah blah blah. Just I'm just a just a peace loving,   man, living man. And my my daughter's living daughter, She's under my coverture and say, you know, I'm I'm at peace with you guys,   but I don't wanna go to you know, I don't be wanna be drugging the court or be under the perception that I'm under war with you. You know?  

But peaceful inhabiting   in their military.  

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Well, Bob, you got a you got a number of different options to to look at and pursue, so let us know how it turns out. Okay?  

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My turn.   Yeah. Yep.  

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Oh, okay. Alright. Paul's turn. Does anybody else have anything for me?  

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Yeah. Hang on a second, Raj.   I really like the idea of coverture because that almost automatically   brings   God and faith and who your,   obligations   truly apply to   or go toward.   And also,   Julie's comment,   find a local lawyer   that, you know, golfs with the judge and   drinks with the, prosecutor,   and they could probably   pull both of them down to seat belt tickets   and walk you right out of court. All they're looking for is the money. They really don't wanna destroy your life by putting a black mark on your record.  

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All they want is could just give us a tag   a a light out violation, you know, because that's what actually they pulled us over for.  

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They could. They could. There's there's two options. Anyway There's two angles for you possibly.  

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But Yeah. Yeah.  

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Good luck, Scott. What have what have you got for me?  

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Yes, Roger.   If you're pregnant,   don't take Tylenol,   and have a good day.  

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Okay. Thank you. I won't.   I'll I'll see y'all tomorrow. I gotta go get run some errands, and we're starting to cloud up and get rainy probably already. So   I'll see you tomorrow.  

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I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't mean to put the fan in my south window. I it's been raining here all morning. I must have blowed it down there to you. I'm sorry.  

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Well, you see, it it it looks like it's coming in. It's kept me from running my errands the last couple of days, and I need to go to the grocery store and stuff. So, anyway, I'm gonna take off. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Bob, good luck with your little situation. It just goes to reinforce Yeah. I appreciate it.  

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Go back. Gonna be a teaching your lights. A teaching experience for everybody.  

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This is K9 after  

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after Roger Dales. Alright. Thank you, Rog.   Hey, Bob.   Another thing Go aboard. Because you're talking about the same state,   but you're talking about different counties.   When you notice a county,   under the laws of agency, you have noticed everyone in the state. They just don't know it yet.   So if you still have copies of your notices to your local sheriff or to the district attorney or attorney general or whoever,   all you you may just only have to remind or notify   the sheriff in the in the other county.   Hey. These notices are already in. You guys should already know what my family is.  

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Well, but you missed my   you missed the fact that, no, I don't have notices anywhere. Because like I say, almost all of my driving is literally driving, and I just hadn't bothered to do it. And my daughter had never moved forward or anything like that because she just had no no interest no interest in interest in,   you will, by, you know, going deeper in deeper in. So they're proceeding that presumption.   Bob?   It but even though the notices aren't there, it doesn't negate the   f you have both been nationals   for nearly ten years.  

She received hers   at 16 when she got her,   in 2016, sorry, when she was, 17 years   old. So   yes, Mirka?  

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You send it to the AG, though. Right?  

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You're noticing this? I have I have sent nothing in. Never.   And that's probably in retrospect, not wise. I get it. But I just never got the initiative to do it. I knew I should, but it was always more pressing things going on. And I just thought, you know, at some point, I'm gonna get to this, and I never did.   Bob? So   bad example, if you will.   Yes.  

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Just a sketch. If you're not prepared to,   appeal it,   you can play play this game.   You you ask the judge or the prosecutor.   That's who you should ask the prosecutor.   Am I in innocent of all the charges here today?   And they'll say, yes.   And then you say, well, is is it one of the elements   of this case jurisdiction and I'm innocent of?   And they'll go, okay.   Have you   provided the judge any factual   information   on jurisdiction?   Because that's   for them to even bring you into court, they have to have factual information   to bring you in there.  



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And if they hear Well, I'm sure they're just operating under presumption because I had a driver's license, and my my daughter was physically there. So, of course, she's a citizen. They know that. Right? And I'm putting I'm putting no in air quotes.  

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Yeah. Understood.   Understood. But, you know, if you're innocent   of all the elements and jurisdiction is one of them and they haven't provided the factual information to the judge,   case should be dismissed. I yield.  

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There are a lot of people who are nationals or not nationals. They're citizens.   Just by going in and pressing the issue that they need to know the nature and cause of the action before they can proceed,   a lot of things have been thrown out.  

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Say that again?   Just I heard everything you said. I don't understand your point.  

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Well, you wanna know the nature and cause   of the action. And then based on whether or not they can provide you with the nature and cause of the action,   you could,   well, you could bring up the constitution.   The constitution   guarantees you the right to travel.   And,   if they're   if they're making the claim that you were engaged in commerce and therefore they have jurisdiction over you,   you can rebut that.   You weren't engaged in commerce.   Just, just search YouTube for nature and cause.   I am sure you'll find a bunch of videos that,   that that come up with that.  

There are landmines   and things that normal citizens are doing just because they don't know better.  

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Well, I would love to handle it by by mail without ever going over there, but that's you know? I'm trying to run a business and run my life and try to do all this stuff, and it's a little bit overwhelming to try to do all that. So, anyway   It's Yeah. For now.  

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Hey, Bob. Hello.   Oh, hey. Yes, Joan. Yes, Joan. Bob, I was gonna ask, do you know how close you are to the sheriff's office   in your house?   How close?   You mean my local sheriff or they're over in that other county? Oh, oh, okay. Never mind. So it sounds like you're far away.  

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So Yeah. It's a neighboring county.  

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Okay. Also, if you want the email address of Sean   who did con went in and had a nice talk with the sheriff after he got some, tickets and whatever,   let me know   if you want Sean in South Carolina's   email address.   Or did you tell him when he okay. Hey, Chris in California.   Hey.  

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Yes. Hello.  

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Sorry.  

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Go ahead. Oh, hello, Bob.   Hello, Chris. I've been I've been into   I've dealt with traffic court many, many times.   There's a lot of ways to deal with it. The main issue here is your daughter   and her feelings about it. Now Yes. I agree.   And talked to   the sheriff   and resolved it right there. I have talked to DAs   and resolved it right there.   You should be talking to them   to resolve it because   they as as a   because of your her status,   they have no way to catalog her.   She has no Social Security number, no driver's license number.   She doesn't fit in at all.  

That is correct. And I would take with you when you go to talk to them   for affidavit   of of her national status.   And,   explain to them   that,   this is her   religious belief   is not to be tied into a commercial   situation or into,   there's the system.   And,   they might just,   you know, like, give you a small ticket for something or whatever. You might be able   to you're just going to be very congenial,   and you might be able to,   you never know. It's up to the person you talk to   what they can do for you.   You know? I mean, I would I would be talking to them.  

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You may not   sorry. You you may not have heard this. It's been some time. I don't think you were around at that point. But back in, I think, it was '19   I'm in agriculture, and we have tractors and farm equipment.   And she was   operating   behind the wheel, let's go with that, of a tractor.   And somebody came around a curve,   and the tractor by nature is wide. It's basically as wide as that side of the road. You know, it's a small   rural asphalt road.   They came around,   got shocked out of their skull because they were going faster than they should, overreacted,   and crashed their vehicle.  

Didn't hit us.   But   having no other thing to do, the cops,   sheriff, of course,   they gave her a ticket.   No tag,   unregistered   vehicle, no license,   no tie to the state.   They issue her a ticket   for being across the center line.   And like I say, this is an unregistered   vehicle. It's a you know, she's not tied in in any way.   And   I   I brought it up to an officer. I said, so how can you issue her a ticket when you don't she doesn't have a license to issue it again? She said, oh, we get we we issued her one.   Now this is a unilateral action.  

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Yes.  

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And they thought they had   the authority,   jurisdiction,   to   move the pieces on the chessboard, so to speak, on both sides   because they just thought they could.   And   they had no case.   We went and talked to I mean, I went and talked to one of the sheriff's deputies. They had nothing.   I mean, what are they gonna do? Take away our license?   You didn't know about fixing That's a joke. I'm not done yet. That's a joke.   So what happens is,   over time, they give they they sell it off to a to a collector.   And a collector from Houston of of all places I'm in Florida.   A collector agency from Houston of all places sends a a letter,   and at this point,   it scares my wife   and daughter to the point that they go ahead and pay it without telling me.  

Right. And I'm no dictator. It's not like yeah. But it but it was it was one of those things where you don't understand. The only reason they sent it to a collector is because it's uncollectible.   They're trying to get make their problem his and see if they can get a you know, he bought it for a few dollars, and that's what they they were willing to cut it loose,   but not understanding what was going on. And having said nothing to me, they paid the damn ticket.   And I was just like,   wow.   Okay.   But that showed up on she was behind the wheel a different time in a a different neighboring county. This is, like, five years ago.   And we were just sitting in a parking lot,   and some cops came by because they   were thinking we were loitering, and they were just suspicious, and they made us switch positions again.  

And I had a fairly long talk, ten, fifteen minutes with the two officers,   and these were deputies also. They it was in a bit of an outlying. It was beyond the county line or, I mean, the city limit.   And we talked about nationality, and I showed them a few things about the passport application, this, that, and the other. We had a good talk, but   they could see that on her on her   Even though she had no license, they had issued that, and these guys could find that, but they couldn't read her passport card or mine.   As far as the past system, they weren't act they didn't have access to it. So,   anyway,   Well, if you Interesting dilemma.  



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If you want to avoid court, I would go in and talk to the sheriff.   I would also   talk to the   and if you don't if you don't get   if you don't get satisfaction from the person at the counter,   go higher up.   Talk to the captain or or whoever you wanna talk to. Just keep a very common, you know, congenial   and, see what they could do. I have had   for one thing, when I've gone into traffic court, they always want you to stipulate   to a pro tem or whatever it might be. Someone who's not a real elected judge.   I never stipulate.   I say, I want a judge,   and they'll set me up to a judge. I'll go up to the Third Floor, Fourth Floor of the courthouse,   and I'll be sitting in there, finding the judge. You know, they'll send my case up to him. He'll come and say,   oh, I've got something here,   a traffic matter, you know. And they'll say my name and and they'll say, you know, gee, I don't know why they set this up here, you know, because he's a felony judge. You know, he's not he doesn't do traffic.  

And he says, well, I guess, they set this up here for an arraignment.   What's this all about? And then I'll tell him, you know, what it's all about. He'll say, well, what would you like me to do? And then I'll tell him what I'd like him to do. And he does it, and I'm done.  

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And what you would like him to do is, for instance, what? Just drop the case and walk away or Dismiss it for settle on some  

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Dismiss it for well, he I one one of my phrases that I'd like you to say, well, what would my options be? How can we settle this right now?   And he'll give me an option. Usually, he'll drop it down to almost nothing   and suspend the fine even,   And I'll say, okay. That's fine. And then we say, have a nice day, and we're done.   See, this is a turkey for them.   This could be a big problem for them. You could really do something with this, and they know that. And you could waste a lot of their time. When you waste a lot of their time,   that's money for them. They're basically hemorrhaging red ink on the books. Okay?  



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Because they're devoting to because they're devoting time to you. Whether they win or not, it's gonna be a lot of extra resources.  

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Exactly.   Exactly.   Now,   it there's only there's only about one time that I can remember that it actually went to trial.   And,   and I got the officer on the stand   and started interrogating him and getting him to contradict himself and not know what to say that the judge intervened and said, well, I'm just a minute. I'm gonna stop this right now. I'm gonna I see what's going on. I'm going to dismiss this in the interest of justice, and that was it.   Since then, they've never taken anything to trial. Now   when the judge if you get in front of a real judge   and the judge knows   that you've got a very solid position,   and even if they give you a trial date, you go there, the officer will not appear. They won't bring him in because you could so easily shred him on the stand.  

Okay?   Now that's one technique that works very well. You just   ever since that, the officer never shows up never shows up never shows up   because I filed some paperwork in about my position   and about all the mistakes they've made.   And, they don't wanna deal with it because it's gonna be a lengthy trial,   and they're gonna lose.   Because   the the for one thing, they don't want me educating the officer.   They do not want their officers educated. They just want them to write as many tickets as they can, as fast as they can, because it's all commercial. It's all a money machine. And furthermore, I don't know if you know this or not,   but I'll stick this in their face too. The sheriff's department or CHP, whoever it is, and the courthouse,   and the judge   all have Dun and Bradstreet numbers.  

And you can look up their numbers. And because they they are all corporations for profit and they have private investors. Every single everything is that way in America.   And when you when they know that you know that,   that well, they've got a conflict of interest now. Right?   Because the person that wrote you the ticket is gonna get a piece of the action,   or his department is gonna get a piece of the action   because that's what it's all about.   Now if you know about the QSIP number, that's another way you could go too because the QSIP number is the number that tracks the securitization   of this case.  

But   but but you're dealing with your daughter.   And on that basis,   I would recommend   you take your you take your notice   and you go in and you have just a friendly conversation   and say, well, how can we handle this? You see what they say to you because they should wanna get rid of it.  

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Yeah, Bob. I you would hope.  

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I would explore that   before you get into court.   Now you can do the nature and cause thing too, like Paul said.   Absolutely. You can do that. You can challenge jurisdiction too. But see, your daughter would have to speak for herself. And if she doesn't wanna do that stuff and she didn't wanna get into that arena, then you have to settle it   in the way she wants to go.  

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Exactly. That's my dilemma.  

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I'll I'll do well, then get it done. Go talk to the sheriff. Go talk to the DA. Go do it.   Yeah. See how you can settle it out of court.   Okay?   Okay. Do that. Settle it out of court. Now on the other hand,   on the other hand,   let's see.   Yeah. They don't they don't have any jurisdiction over her. That's   completely a 100% obvious.  

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They've got That's a 100% obvious. Getting them to a seed to that fact, that's the point.  

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Well, you you gotta you gotta be able to negotiate in a nice way because you're doing it for her. See? She doesn't wanna fight the fight.   Now what they ultimately want do you know what they ultimately want?  

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Money. Do you know what they Well, I think I think I know what they want, but tell me what you're thinking. What do you think they want?   They want revenue. They   want compliance.  

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Compliance. That that that's the word right there. That's the word. That's what they want. They want compliance. They don't care about the money at this point.  

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They want her to go get a driver's license. That's what they want.   Oh, yeah.   Now what do you And you see, here's the thing.   If   if   they could get a driver's license without   a Social Security number,   they probably would do it. And I wouldn't argue because it's simply a matter of expediency, if you will,   doctrine of necessity,   keeping peace, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, you can make all kinds of,   you know,   you can use all kinds of phrases to define it to define it. But Okay. Without a Social Security number,   they can't do that because the state won't allow you to do it.  

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There you go. That's your remedy. That's what I was getting to.   That's exactly what I was getting to. You go and do the application   to get a driver's license as a national. They won't give it to you.   What the maximum of law is the law shall not require an impossibility.   So now it's impossible for her to get a license because they won't give a license to someone who doesn't have a Social Security number. That's it right there.   They can't do anything with that.  

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There's her whole argument. That's  

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that's playing hardball, and you will win, in my opinion,   hands down.   They will walk away from that because In fact. They can't overcome that.  

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And, Bob,   in other words, she does not qualify.  

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And she'll qualify for a license.   Hey, Bob. Have to qualify for You're saying she doesn't qualify for a license. Is that what you're saying, Myrka?  

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Right. She's not in commerce.   She doesn't have a a Social Security.   She's not a US citizen or a resident.  

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Right. All of those are true.  

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Yeah. So  

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No. What do you And I have and I have no problem with any of that, and it all comes down to getting the judge or the the the sheriff or the DA or the prosecuting attorney or whoever   to agree to that agree to that.  

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You bring you bring up color of law. They're they'll agree to it. Otherwise,   they're   they're a party to the crime.   They're  

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both.   Of law.  

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No problem. Can I send an email to that it'll get to you? I don't have your email address.  

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Do you have my phone?   I assume it's visible.  

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Yeah. It is.  

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Okay.   Could you send me a text, and I'll   get in touch with you?  

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Okay. I will do that.  

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Yeah. If you if Bob, if you present this   to somebody in the DA's office or I would go to the sheriff first in in the county where you were,   they should understand   that this is a big problem   that they don't wanna go up, you know,   that they don't wanna send up the ladder,   where it could become a much bigger problem   because they don't want publicity on this kind of stuff.   The publicity could hurt them a lot.  

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I agree. Bad And you could go talk to them without   This is a case where any publicity is not necessarily   good publicity.  

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Not for them.   Exactly.   Now,   also,   also,   if it did get before a judge,   I believe without a doubt that he would dismiss it in the interest of justice   because,   you know, it's gonna look bad for him   if he doesn't understand   that he can't require something that's impossible.   And the court can't do it, and the sheriff can't do it. It can't happen. The law shall not require an impossibility.   That's a maximum of law. You can look it up.   And   you she can go applies that.   Oh, look it up on Google. You'll find it. And   the,   the point being   that the first thing you have to do, though, is you have to go   to the DMV   and apply for a license   and, you know,   verify that   that you did that.  

And,   and get something   get try to get something   from a clerk at the DMV,   the local DMV office that states that they could not   give her a license because   she did not supply a Social Security number.   And that's your evidence.   But evidence is important. You gotta get something.  

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Well,   I wouldn't argue that point, but the evidence is whether she went and tried it or not or not, it's right there in their documents that they will not issue   to anybody that doesn't have a Social Security number. It's they don't say it that way. They say it's under requirements   that you have to have a valid ID. You've gotta have a Social Security account, blah blah blah.   So   by definition  

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But you have She's been applied. But you have to have has she ever applied for a license?  

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No. She's never applied for one because they won't give it to her. Have to do that. You have to apply. I I hear what you're saying. I'm simply telling you no. We hadn't done that.  

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Well, they you have to make them refuse.   You have to make them refuse her the license.   K.   And keep all all the paperwork, get something in writing from them   as to even talk to the supervisor.   Say, why can't you provide it to her? And say, well, I would like that in writing. And they should give you some kind of a note as to why they would not give her the license because she did not have or would not supply Social Security number. That's it. That's the impossibility   right there. Right. Right. I get that. It's something you cannot overcome,   and they've admitted that you that that they will not bend.  



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And the immigrants  

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get licenses?  

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I think they give them to them with their little package at the border, don't they?   I'm saying Or was that at If it's  

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possible for them to get it, why is it not possible for her to get it?  

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Because the advocates get a Social Security number.  

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They're resident.  

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Yeah. They be they get residency.   And,  

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Bob,   Chris's point is to have a copy of that whenever you guys are traveling. She can use that, and   they   and she presents it to whoever is trying to give you guys something like a citation, and it it would help you.  

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It would help her. Right. Right. Another thing that happened in another case that I had. I got like I said, I always bump it up to a judge. And I got it in front of you. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, Chris. Right there. When you say bump it up to a judge, you're saying don't take the guy that's sitting on the bench because he may not be a judge be a judge.   And He won't   And he'll be a magistrate lower Never Lower,  

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they will not give you a judge automatically.   They don't bother judges with traffic.  

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So my question is, what name does it have? Does he, she, the person in that position?   What? Magistrate?   What? What's the position?  

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They'll they'll be a pro tem or a,  

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Just an administrator?  

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No. They're they're they're they're an attorney sitting in. They were appointed by a judge, but they're not a judge.   And and you will be required or asked   to,   to sign a waiver of your rights to a judge   to accept this person to judge the case. Never do that. But you don't have to do that, of course. You don't have to sign the waiver. No. You tell them straight up. Well, I want a judge. Just tell them straight. Well, I want a judge.   I want an elected official.   Right.   Now let me tell you. In another situation,   the judge said, well,   what what, what are we gonna do with about this?  

And I simply said, I'm not a resident of the state of California.   And then he said, okay. I'll dismiss this   in the interest of justice.   Just the fact that I wasn't the resident got me out of that one.  

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Okay. Hey, Bob. Did did you get a text message from me?  

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Let me look.  

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Private message, Paul. I looked  

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up the   doctrine  

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of   possibility. Hold on a second.   Let me check.   Yes. I did, mister Poe. I got you.  

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Okay. Send me an email because I have a link to,   a,   a resource, Nolo Press, Beat Your Ticket, How to Win in Court.   K. I have a I have a wear a Nolo Press.  

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Eddie   Craig.  

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Also good.  

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Yep.  

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Well, I appreciate everybody's help. I appreciate your input input, and I'm not trying to,   I got I gotta get some things done here today. I'm I'm still in commerce   myself, Bob.  

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Bob, if you if you wanna read a little bit more on Coventry,   Coventry, you mean, the book of the hundreds covers the subject quite well.  

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Is it in is it in our,   library, so to speak, on, expose the matrix?  

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I think so. Book of the hundreds. It is Paul. It is Paul. Okay. It is.  

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Alright.   Well, with my limited time, I often I I often think I need to go read x y z, and I've never read x or y or z, but I think I probably need to.  

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Yeah. Ted, Terry   Terry Lee had a similar situation to what Chris is talking about. He he went down there as a Christian to the DMV with a piece of paperwork and said, I, as a Christian, cannot have my name spelled this way on this document, and I need it to be upper and lower case.   Of course, they couldn't do that for him.   So he volunteered   his driver's license to them, and he asked them for a certificate back that he volunteered it for a cause, naming the cause, the problem with the name.   And then he says if you're ever in front of the judges, it's not that I didn't want to have a license. I couldn't get one   for a Christian.  

And that's it. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Well, I agree that they wanna streamline things and get as much revenue as quickly as possible as possible and get as much compliance as quickly as possible. And just being a,   bump that sticks up tends to make them wanna recoil and say, no. Let's just get rid of this.   But,   it's always more interesting hearing other people talk about it than when you're in the crucible as in myself and my daughter.  

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Bob, we'll story a lot about this.   Pray.   The Lord will give you direction.   Pray about all these things. Is this near Georgia, Idaho?   No. This is Chris in California. Chris, no problem.   What does the Bible say to do when you're coming into the trial place?   What does it say to do?  

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Well, to pray, of of course, to seek the guidance of the holy spirit.  

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Yes. And we're we're   we're we're to seek him in everything for direction. He will direct our path,   and   and he'll give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to gain, say, and or resist.   Also, he directs   to go to your adversary quickly   before you get into court   and settle it with them.  

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Right. Right.  

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That's what I that's what I urge you to do. But today, what the Lord wants you to do, but I think you can settle this. I think the Lord   might do a miracle for you.   He does miracles for me every day.   And just pray and acknowledge that it's in his hands,   and watch him do what he does.   Let him be your negotiator.   It says that he goes before us to fight our enemies for us. He goes ahead of you. He's already been there.   He says the heart of the judge is in the hand of the Lord. He turns out whatsoever way he will.   Don't give up on God. Let God settle this for you.  

But negotiate.   You know, talk to them. You know, meet with them. It says to do that. It's it's a commandment of scripture. Go meet with them ahead of time.   And that's why I do it. Everything I do, I do it because the Bible tells me to do it. And so that's what I do, and it always works out great.   So I would suggest to do that.  

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Good points. I appreciate it. Thank you. Going to have to go.   I,   didn't expect this to go for another   another hour,   but I do appreciate everybody's input. I appreciate your interest, and I would covet your prayers. I,   I do understand the power of prayer. I I will admit I don't utilize it as much as I should.   I am a child of God. I do believe in Christ as my savior.   And I do have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but sometimes I don't listen to him as well as I should for certain.   Blessings, though. I appreciate your time.   I appreciate your input, and I appreciate your fellowship. So I'm gonna sign off now. I gotta go back to,   commerce as it were.  



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Blessings and prayers.  

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Thank you, Sketch. Are you gonna are you gonna ring a dinner bell for me?   There you go. Now I feel excused. Thanks, everybody. Bye.  

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In the chat,   there is a short video,   I claim common law jurisdiction. I gave that to Joe Lusica when he was trying to fight his   and that set him on the path for   winning his court case. I think it's very important.   And it's only two minutes and thirty one seconds where he said she says,   after   this the the the sentence,   he says, I claim   common law jurisdiction.   I do not consent,   and I waive the benefit.   I yield.   But  

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If you wanna play that,  

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old   Baldrige,  

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it's would be a benefit to us all.  

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It's well said. Chris Chris well said as well.   Yes, the other day, we were talking about, you know, could you do a   a will   that would have Christ as your jurisdiction? And I thought   this was a good one. If you don't mind me, highlighting a couple points.   Acceptance of jurisdiction and declaration of co trusteeship, high court of heaven and co trustee with Jesus Christ,   not the mermaid there earlier.   I, living man, the name of living man, so jurist, do hereby enter the solemn declaration of lawful acceptance,   sacred affirmation,   my position under divine jurisdiction and trusteeship   in the eternal  

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kingdom of heaven. Know all men by these presence that I acknowledge the most high as a true sovereign and lawgiver.   Do submit my life, estate, and actions under divine jurisdiction forsaking the lower courts of fiction and presumption,   that I rec too, that I recognize the high court of heaven as the highest authority in matters of conscience, truth, and eternal coven,   and do now appeal for spiritual standing remedy and protection therein.   Three, that I renounce all fraudulent claims, legal fictions, corporate titles, and false presumptions made against my person, my estate, or my divine inheritance.   Four, that I invoke the principles of grace, faith, righteousness, and truth as governing standards under which I walk henceforth, guided by the divine wisdom of scripture and conscience in heavenly order.  

Five,   that I being of sound mind and living soul,   hereby proclaim my body as a temple of the holy spirit. My state is a sacred trust to be administered according to divine law, not commercial fraud.   Acceptance,   that I acknowledge the establishment of the holy trust to the death, resurrection, and eternal reign of Jesus Christ, who is the way, the truth, and the life. Seven, that I receive and accept the calling as trustee in the body of Christ to administer my life, resources, and services in service according to divine purpose.   Love and truth. Eight, that I act not by my own authority, but under the hedge of Christ who is the eternal ex is the true executor, trustee, and high priest of the eternal trust ordained by our heavenly father.  

Nine, that I pledge to uphold the divine laws, the righteousness of the kingdom, teachings of the gospel, and all trust relations, contracts, covenants, and deeds, both public and private. 10, that I reject all presumptions of worldly titles, unlawful jurisdictions, and claims that deny the lordship of Christ or infringe upon his trust. And so and do so by peaceful yet firm notion notice of my position   and spiritual offer. Let it be known that this declaration shall serve as lawful notice to all courts, agencies, officers, and entities, public or private, that I, by my own free will and conscious devotion, do hereby enter into the record my full   and unconditional acceptance of the jurisdiction of the high court of heaven.  

Affirm my acceptance   of trusteeship under the high trust of heaven, accept my sacred and eternal co trusteeship with Jesus Christ. This declaration acceptance is recorded on earth as it is in heaven. Exceeded this, and you did it 06/07/2025.   And then you can have a witness to the record. Thought that was really good as far as   send that send that in.   Consent and register.  

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Can you send that to me?  

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I believe so. Yes.   I think I definitely printed it,   from Telegram,   but I could   scan it   and send you a doc. Yep. Sure can.  

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Thank you.  

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Mhmm.  

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Hello. This is Kaye from Nevada.  

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Hello.  

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Hello.   Do I get a copy of that sent to my email?  

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I will put it up in,   docstat expose the matrix.  

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You could email it to me if you want. Or you could email your your email to me. I'm I'm on a   walk it around right now.   Business matters   or not business matters, not commercial matters. Business of my father.  

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George, do you have my email address?  

[03:12:34] Unknown:

No. I don't.  

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George.  

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George, do you have mine? I do. Yes. I do. Okay. Yes.  

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Yeah.   Alright. And who was that that was asking for a copy of that?  

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It'll be a minute because I would have to get back to the office and do the scanning, you know? Right. Because I don't have it on the on the phone here, and I don't have Telegram on this phone. I have it on a different device. But   but, yeah, it's   Telegram is   if anybody's on Telegram, I can shoot you that Telegram channel as well. Couple of channels I'm on if anybody's interested.  

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Can I can you put the Telegram channel here?   In the chart here, please?  

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He doesn't have   it to put it in the chat.  

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Yeah.  

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He has a physical document. He's going to scan it and email it to me.   Cannot do it right now because he's out and about.  

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He's about,  

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Yeah. He's about time.   When he sends it to me, I will put it up in docs.exposetomatrix.com.   I'll probably put it in a folder named George.   That that'd be it because I expect I'm probably be gonna be getting more stuff from George,   and I'm expecting it's gonna be good stuff that a lot of people are probably gonna want it.  

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So   That's true.  

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Just talk George Floyd, please. Saint George Floyd   or Saint Mark. Who's the guy that does it? Kirk   is it that Clark Kirk Kirk or something? Another saint they're trying to make?  

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Okay. No. I will thank the good lord above   because the good lord saw fit to send a lightning bolt to obliterate the George Floyd mural on that brick wall   in,   where was it?   Michigan   or something?  

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That's  

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Missouri. It wasn't a dew a dew weapon. What do they call those dew drop weapons?  

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Direct. Was it was it Missouri?  

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I'm not sure. That's what I that's what came to my mind.  

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Just Google   George   Floyd   lightning.  

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Alexa.  

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It will come up.  

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I have a question.  

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Yeah. Go ahead, Sketch.  

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When you mentioned,   nature and cause,   is it is it your right to be able to understand the nature and cause?  

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Yes.  

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Okay. So   it is your determination, and you can take all the time you need   to to understand that so you can delay the case forever.   You'll  

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No. What I think   what I think the deal is is the nature and cause,   alerts you to what system of law, what body of law they're trying to impose on you   and what their jurisdiction is.   And if they can't,   prove jurisdiction   in answer to the question,   then they can't proceed.  

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Right.  

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It's the way I understand.   But I'm probably wrong. My point was  

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you can take all the time you need to understand   the nature and cause so you could delay delay it. You just have to ask the judge,   is it my determination   that I understand it or yours?  

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Are you   Yeah. But   do you want   do you want their crap   to be following you forever, to always have something on the books that you always have to deal with, that always have to look over your shoulder?   Or do you just want it to go away?  

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Go away.   Leave me alone.  

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Yeah. That's what I'm thinking.  

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They don't have a nature and cause. That's why you're asking them for one.   And   they   what what Stanford does in his abatement is he's after that.   And at the same time, he's he's telling them, you guys don't have jurisdiction because you don't have a nature and a cost.   So Right. For them to respond to that is an impossibility.  

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Hey, Samuel. Hey. I send you an email   on, abatement, which I've never seen before. I hope it's helpful.  

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Yeah. I haven't had time to take a look. I noticed that. Thanks, Sketch.   Did you put the link for that in the, chat,  

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Sketch?  

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I can.  

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Yes. Just a moment.  

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Please.  

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But what Stamper says in his abatement,   you guys need to give me a nature and a cause so I can prepare a defense.   I don't know what my defense would be, so I can't make a plea   without even knowing what these things are all about.   So if they can't get a plea,   they're stuck.   That's why they're they're happy with not guilty or guilty or no contest because you're making a plea.  

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Well, why don't you turn that around on them about being a national?   If they don't know what a national is, they can't try you.  

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No argument there, but   know what a national is.   You should have that in your paperwork as well.  

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Thank you. Stamper country.  

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Yep. Stamper contends that if 10%   would just ask for the nature and the cause, the system would collapse.  

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And, Paul,   if you get a chance, when you have time,   you might   laugh.   The video   pigs under the pigs under pressure.   That's pretty funny.  

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Pigs under pressure?  

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Yes. Yeah.   I put in a private message too.  

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Okay.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I got that link earlier,   sketched. Thank you.   Pulled it out of, I pulled it out of the chat messages earlier. Thank you.   Already saved it. Okay.  

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You'll get a good laugh.  

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I'm talking about the plea and abatement.   Eggs under pressure.  

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Yeah. If you wanna laugh.  

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Is that a video?  

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Yeah. It's a YouTube channel also. I found it on James Freeman.   If you get a chance, so the last James Freeman's not big under pressure,   but him,   it's just he's doing some funny stuff,   how clipboards   create authority, and he brings clipboards to   the places.   And they bow to his authority because he had to hold the clipboard.  

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Yeah. That and checklists. Right?   Oh, I'm sure there is I haven't talked to this gentleman yet. I don't know if you can hear me okay.   But,   he did an affidavit of confession of judgment.   And I think he was in,   great. Thank you so much. No problem. Shit. He was in the clickster,   but   and it it was all all his cases look like. And I this is a 17 page handwritten affidavit.   Don't know if that got him out, but it was from 2023.   But he had a c criminal case. Is criminal. Right? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven   cases.  

And he basically   did, you know,   this   being   sound mind, sound body, so we jurist you by hereby swear to testify.   He's confident that he has personal knowledge and facts here in   and all facts stated are true, correct, and certain admissible as evidence.   And if called upon as a witness, I will testify to their veracity.   For the eternal and changing principles of commercial law are, a, a workman is worthy of his hire. Thou shall not steal. B, all are equal under law. No one is above the law.   C, in commerce, truth is sovereign. Thou shall not bear false witness.   D, truth is expressed in the form of an affidavit.  

E, an unrebouted affidavit stand as truth in commerce.   F, an unrebouted   affidavit becomes a judgment in commerce.   G, all matters must be expressed to be resolved. H, u, leaves the battlefield first, loses by default.   I, sacrifices the measure of credibility. No willingness to sacrifice equals no liability, responsibility,   authority, or measure of conviction.   And, j, a leaner claim can only be satisfied through an affidavit by a point for point rebuttal,   resolution by jury, or by payments.   Many gets into commercial processes, including this affidavit and re required response to it are nonjudicial and prejudicial because, a, no judge, court government, or agencies or agents that are out or any third parties whatsoever can abrogate anyone's affidavit affidavit of truth. The only party affected by an affidavit can speak and act oneself or herself and is solely responsible for responding with his or her own affidavit of truth, which no one else can do for him or her. And so that goes on for   I haven't read the other pages. The last page is page 17.  

He gets into, like, his previous point one zero nine,   point h because the rest is is, I don't know if it's got truncated way I download, but underwrite   all all such obligation liability with her full commercial and corporate faith and credit. I act as a successor security   for the defendant James D. Foss in the Decatur County District Court. Cases referred within foreign advisory FA blah blah blah. And, j, binding administrative judgment with permanent estoppel res judicata   stare decisis.   Point a 110, therefore, I, James Dwayne Foss, am no longer surety of Decatur County District Court, Kansas case number, and then the seven cases that are listed, one eleven. Therefore, any further detainment of need by secretary of state of Kansas Department of Corrections with Jeff Samuda   He's a legal law firm without authority,   and they declares to be true, correct, and certain.  

And he   signs a tapeset,   gets a public notary,   must have been in jail or whatever there,   and bada bing. So I like I gotta follow-up with him as to, you know, to what was the context of that case.   But pretty   pretty good because everything was listed in commerce, all the criminal cases. So   they already had them under jurisdiction.   So, anyway,  

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Holy Toledo.   That's where the Floyd Mural was, Ohio.  

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Hello? Could you put the link where we could find the documents?   Just edit, but I do   not have the time to get the name   of the leg, please.  

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Hi, Barb.   Yes, ma'am.   Did you hear did you hear that   VanPiper came on this morning on the radio ranch?   Sanktiper   in South Carolina?  

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Oh, no. I didn't I didn't turn on till after noon.  

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Yeah.   Yeah? Do you want   it do you want it do you want me to tell you, like, one half a sentence about it, or do you wanna listen to it from  

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both. In the  

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he he was on from about well,   okay. I can't tell you my time because it's different from your time. So but I'll just say a hour and a half Uh-huh. Really? Into into the, well, no. He didn't come on for   in a hour hour and a half into the Radio Ranch program. Oh oh. He he came on about,   yeah, until   until   for about   thirty minutes.  

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Cool. So the last half hour.   What?  

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So the last half hour. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Cool.   Yeah.   Yeah.   I mean, the first half of it   was   good,   and the last   fifteen minutes was like he flipped.  

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It's uh-oh.   Yeah. I   I I thought I remembered something from the past with him and Roger, but I don't know. I'll have to listen.  

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And Yeah.  

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At at first  

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Go ahead. He had at first, he had a solution for the   news.   He had a really good solution.   And then the last fifteen minutes, he's started talking about who his god is.  

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Oh.  

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And he said it   yeah. That's right. I said, oh.   And he   oh my gosh. I I don't even wanna repeat it, but   I will unless you just really wanna listen to it yourself.   I think you should definitely hear it either from me or,   somebody or the,   arc archive.   But  

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Oh, well, Sam Piper.   He said many names too.   Yeah. What? Oh. He's used many different names, you know, or several, I should say. But,   I I I kept thinking, wait a minute. There was something that went down here on Radio Ranch with him. I forget what it was, but there was some stripe   of some sort   at one point   years ago, actually.   Oh, yeah.   Yeah.   Yeah. So,   this, George Floyd thing, I put in the Yandex George Floyd lightning,   and it came right up.   But the first link was to Gateway Pundit, and it was gone. And it said forbidden.   And so I looked at some of the others, and I posted in the chats the or in the Radio Ranch tab anyway, the,   the one from the New York Post, but, RTs was also gone and had forbidden.  

I don't know why.   Yeah.   And, yeah, and I see somebody else put a verse in here, and I was, that's why I got on here was to,   flush out what Chris said. He he almost quoted it   verbatim the,   verse Matthew five twenty five and twenty six. Agree with thine adversary   quickly,   whilst thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee   to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.   And 26,   barely I say unto thee, thou shalt by no means come out thence   till thou has paid the uttermost farthing.   And rob me blind. Throw you in prison and rob me blind.  

And Pepe, I guess, is Jimmy. He has Luke eleven fifty two.   Woe unto you, lawyers, for ye have taken away   the key of knowledge. Ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.   Okay. I yield.   I think I think we hear Linda working.  

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We need to develop sources inside of China.  

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Can anybody hear me? I'm on a   speaker kinda deal in a vehicle.  

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Are you calling from a lucky tucky?  

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That's what it sounds like. Right? Yeah.  

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No. It sounds normal.  

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I'll change to a  

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This sounds normal.  

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You sound pretty good, actually.   So keep speaking.  

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Well, you sound like a Hold your feet. Spaniards.  

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I'm a full blood Mexican Democrat Spaniard.   Vote voting Republican,   which really doesn't matter, I guess.  

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I just realized my phone doesn't work.   My phone doesn't work, the speakerphone. Like, if I put it on speakerphone, but if I have it on car,   I can't have my earbuds in because it automatically goes to the car. So   but,   if you can hear me,   I was thinking about what I said earlier. The,   you know, Proverbs has said if if we have been, you know, if we've become surety,   then   and obviously,   God gives a remedy because it says, you know, forgiveness are debts   as we forgive our debtors.   So   in that   jurisdictional thing I read, I think   my reading on that and then come combined with the commercial affidavit that I read,   I think that that might be an approach,   you you know, if the national thing isn't enough. Like, if I send in an affidavit, say, with a bill,   and say I wanna invoke the Treasury, the real Treasury, not this Federal Reserve System, and and also have an affidavit that if I became sure it was not my intention to go against God's law and I hereby invoke God's, you know, jurisdiction.  

I don't know if anybody's   done anything like that or followed any paths like that.   Just for the simple simple affidavit.   Because, ultimately heard of anybody following anything like that. Yeah. Because ultimately, the sheriff is the one that's gonna take your house if you don't pay the note. Right? Say let's just say that. You know, the sheriff is gonna be just like in England, the sheriff was taking the houses.   So but if you're invoking the higher law   and you're   basically invoking the our father three times  

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under the rule three,  

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would that take away   you you know, Satan has control of the earth, right, if you will, but he's under   just like he spoke at Job, he's just given, like, a little bit of authority to do certain things.   Trust   me in this.  

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The sheriff has to be under constitutional   law, under constitutional.   He takes note.   They they even the police department takes note that the sheriff   takes a note to protect and defend the constitution   of The United States Of America,   not The United States.   The sheriff has no authority   unless we, the people, give it to him.   Even as US nationals,   that who's to say that when you filed all your   affidavits,   when if you filed them with the state, whatever state you're in, or if you filed it with the   with the secretary of state of The United States,   who's to say that when you ask them to cc it that they cc'd it to   the sheriff's department, the medical   examiner,   the police department? Who's to say that they did that?  

So   I agree with what you're saying is   file those   and turn them in again because the sheriff,   when it comes to steal your   steal your house   under under the fraudulent   property tax,   the tax   is mainly how they come to steal your land and your property.   He's under constitutional law and not administrative   law,   and we have to hold them.   If he does that and sends his militronies over here to   steal any land,   he just committed an emolument violation.   And he's also committed eighteen two forty one, USC two forty one,   and 18 USC two forty two,   and forty two nineteen eighty six.  

He knew better,   yet he allowed it. So now he's we're paying him   to do his job, his duty.   And when he breaches that duty,   that contract that he made,   then he's violating our   every everything that that's about us, US National.   He cannot go by just a tax record.   That's that that that even falls into Rico   because he'll get the the tax The tax assessor will say, hey.   Hey,  

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sheriff.  

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This Mexican over here,   Spaniard,   didn't pay his taxes.   We we are gonna put a lien on his,   stuff, and it's your duty to go there and   confiscate it from under the tax   supposedly   tax   violation that he just committed, which   does not exist.   Under under   under the,   first amendment.   Under the fourth amendment.   But I agree with what you're saying is to turn in your   all your documentation and turn it in again and again.   I'm thinking about sending my all my stuff back   to the secretary   of state, Marco Rubio,   because they don't get it.   They keep committing these violations on us.  

Go ahead.  

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That's been mentioned before   to do that.  

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And we need to keep doing that. You know? And then we need to put them on notice.   Not only do we need to put the sheriff on notice, we need to put the   the city council, the mayor,   and the police department, the district attorney again,   and the United States district attorney because they're all in cahoots   with all this stuff that we're talking about.   And we talk about it over and over and over, and nothing seems to be getting done.   Are we gonna wait that long for anything to get done? I'm fixing to die here pretty soon.   I'm just saying. We're all headed that direction.  

But what about the next generation? What about that generation?   Are we gonna let them   when I say them, I mean, the the government,   those that have   taken up,   swore an oath getting back to that,   to Proverbs,   getting back to all that other   getting back to Luke,   November   or fifty two eleven   about where the lawyers have taken away   all or   all about what we're we're about.   They have hidden the truth from us,   and it's up to us to go and find that truth   and spread it to the world   and spread it to our community.   And we're not doing that.  

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This this is our community right here on this phone, I think. You know, I just thought of you know, this is the great cloud of witnesses that the Bible talks about. You know? This is what you just said is very,   very, very profound and important and spiritual   truth. You know, we're only as free as   our neighbor.   Who is my neighbor? My neighbor is not over in Rhodesia.   You know, it's not it's not the   financial capital of New York or London. My neighbor is right here right now,   and this would be fulfilling the gospel. This is the good news   to,   you know, let the debtor free to all the all the things that it says. I don't know if it says to pull the mic or whatever, but   what you said is very thank you. Thank you, brother. That's very, very good.  



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Chronicles   second Chronicles four seven fourteen.   Second Chronicles seven fourteen.   If my people   who are called by my name will humble themselves   and pray and seek my face   and turn   from their wicked ways,   then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal   their land.   Wait a minute. He's saying what is he saying there? If my people   who are called by my name alright. I'm I'm gonna call myself a Christian.   Lord, what did I just do? I called myself by your name a Christian.   Wait a minute. Is that what that means?   Is is it?  

Is it or isn't it? Could it be? Might it be?  

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Jerry,   you know, Mike Pence, in the first administration there with Trump, he actually said that verse, but he left out the stop your wicked ways part,  

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child rapist.  

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Mike Pence was wicked in himself.  

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Amen.  

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Because if God's because if God's people are wicked because right there in that verse, it says,   will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn   from their wicked ways.   So God is saying,   if my people who are called by my name will turn away from their wicked ways.   So, apparently, god's people are wicked.   Because why would they have to turn away   from something that they don't even know that they're doing, including  

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including the constitutional   sheriffs?   We're all wicked.  

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What people?   We're all wicked. We're all sinners. We're all born into sin.   We're every one of us.   If Adam hadn't a sin, I wouldn't be born into sin. And sin is death. It And sin is trespass.   Actually,   sin sin is debt.   That's a sin. And we I don't we commit it every day every day because we know it's a lie, and we'd rather believe that lie   that paper money is real money,   and we gotta have it or we can't we can't live. We can't survive. We can't provide for our kids. We can't provide for our grandkids.   I just had a great grandson.   Three days ago, four days ago.  



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Preach your law.   And  

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and   yeah. And I said, well   but if we believe that lie and keep believing that lie, who are we believing in?   That lie?   The greatest of all liars?   And then he says,   if my people who are called by my name   will humble themselves   and turn from their wicked ways.   Lord, I wanna turn from my wicked ways. Help me.   Help me, Lord. Help me.   And spread and spread the good news on this community right here.   You you are   all of all of y'all that are hearing my voice right here are the community,   God's people,   to spread the truth.   And the truth will send you free.  

Well, Roger, thank you for spreading that truth because I feel free   not to be   not to be a mondougle. I don't know everything,   but not to be mondougle by these so called   authority figures that I say, oh, oh, you have authority over me here. Let me give you all my all my stuff. Come and steal my land.  

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Come and steal my the law. My kids.  

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Exactly.   Come and steal everything that's about me because   I don't wanna fight no more. I'm too weak. You know?   God tells us   vengeance is his, but you gotta do your part.   You gotta be able to stand up to back yourself up.   And and some of us go off on the wrong foot. I I agree. You know what I mean? We alcoholics. We just start drinking out all too. Oh, so I can   get away from my oh, I'm in bliss when I drink alcohol or shoot up or drugs or marijuana or whatever.   Well,   would John   would John   on some kind of hallucinate   when he said and I don't know if it was   it was, in the body or in the spirit, and I was speaking up to the third heaven. What what are you doing up there in the third heaven? John not taking me with you.  

And then,   who else?  

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We call that the   the three different levels,   celestial,   terrestrial,   and terrestrial.   But I I know your   grandson is not a creature creature of law, but they want you to think he is.  

[03:51:33] Unknown:

Yeah. With that with all that that's what I was telling my my daughter.  

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You're the man that's created by God.  

[03:51:41] Unknown:

Right. Jeremiah Jeremiah one one. What does it say? Before I put you in your mother's before I put you in your mother's womb,   I knew you.   I had something special for you.   And he's talking to every one of us, not just Jeremiah.   Quit talking to every one of us about before he put us in our mother's womb   to do want to be a prophet to the nations.   Wait. God. What nation? What nation? I'm the nation of Jared g Garcia.   That's the nation I'm  

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from.  

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To do what? To spread the word.   To spread the good news.   To spread the freedom   that I gave you from the very beginning.  

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I'm good.  

[03:52:44] Unknown:

What time is your church at that you're preaching at?  

[03:53:06] Unknown:

What what was that, Carl? What what time is where where is my church at?  

[03:53:10] Unknown:

Yeah. As as because you're a preacher.   I just was asking what time your sermon,   is at on Sunday.  

[03:53:20] Unknown:

You just had my you just had my sermon. My sermon is every day that I talk to you guys. Every day.  

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I'm just giving you a hard time. Every day. Meditate.  

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I know. Meditate on the things that are of the Lord day and night. It's day right now where I'm at.   I think it is.   And the Lord and the Lord will open the door.   And it it may be next month. It may be next year. It may be whenever whenever his not I tried to push the I tried to push the envelope. Open it right now, lord. What are you doing, lord?   What's taking you so long, lord?   Why are you doing that?   No. In his time   in his time,   if my people will humble themselves,   I will hear from heaven.   Well, now I gotta humble myself.   Now I gotta wait and see. Lord, did you hear that?  

That's hard. That phone call?   Lord, yeah. It's hard.   But it's on his time. I wanna push the envelope.   And   I'm every every every day that I listen to you guys,   Monday through Saturday, because I listen.   Yeah. I just listen.   And some of us, we over and over. It's, yeah, the same thing over and over and the same thing. Seems like we talk about the same thing over and over and over. And that's good   because how are we gonna learn   if we don't listen to it?   If we don't apply ourselves,   I think it's   second Timothy three.   Study to show you're thyself approved unto who?  

Unto that majesty judge?   Unto that unto that,   unconstitutional sheriff that we think is our sheriff that's here to protect   and defend   against   my wife   against   no. He says, study to show yourself   approved   unto god,   a workman that does not need to be ashamed.   My goodness.   Preaching. Preaching. My my church is right here with you, Carl.  

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Well,  

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that was good.  

[03:56:04] Unknown:

Is this it's on it sounds like it's only me and you talking or listening.  

[03:56:08] Unknown:

Well, I'm I'm   I'm busy listening.   That's about all I'm doing, but I like to I like to make comments just to razz you a little bit.  

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You can't man, my hair doesn't stand up.  

[03:56:24] Unknown:

Hey, Jerry.   Hey, Jerry. Hello.   It's okay. Like, about 15   about fifteen minutes ago when you first came on, you said you were gonna   redo   re   admit your   notices.   I think you Resubmit  

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every everything.  

[03:56:44] Unknown:

Yeah. And and what what was the and what was the reason? Thank you.  

[03:56:50] Unknown:

Because I don't I don't believe that when I first submitted them to the   to the governor of New Mexico or to the district   attorney   or the attorney general of New Mexico that he cc'd them   to all those that I asked him to cc him to.   So he's violating his oath   by not doing that.   He works for me. I don't work for him.   Whatever I submit,   it's already submitted.   And if he doesn't   tell my sheriff right here in my county   that this is what I'm doing and this is what I am,   then he's violated he's violating his.   He just breached his   trust in me.  



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Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.   Even the medical examiner. I'm gonna do it myself. I'm not gonna trust them   with my   with my integrity and my honor that they're gonna do the right thing.  

[03:59:15] Unknown:

Uh-huh.   But but who did you send them to trust them.   Who did you send right. Who did you send them to begin with? You didn't just to who? Well, the first when I first did it and that was,  

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in   three or four years ago when I first did it, I sent it to everybody. I sent it to the well,   now I take that back. I didn't send it to the sheriff, and I didn't send it to the   the district attorney of my county of my district.   I just sent it to the attorney general   and and to the,   governor of New Mexico at that time. Oh, and the police?   I didn't I didn't send it to the police. I see I put on there for the attorney general to cc it Oh, okay. To the police and the sheriff   Oh. Which I don't think he did.  

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I'm sure he did not.  

[04:00:13] Unknown:

So now Thank you. So now I went and got   I went and ordered   a FOIA request,   premium information act, a FOIA request, the oath   that the sheriff took and the under sheriff, and   our FOIA requested the oath that the police   chief but the police chief is only,   taking a note to the city, not to the constitution.   Okay. The police have a whole different oath that they take.