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In this episode, we delve into the importance of freeing Julian Assange and the powerful documentary film that sheds light on his story. We explore the psychological torture that Assange has endured and emphasize the urgent need for public awareness and activism. The film 'Trust Fall' features renowned celebrity advocates such as Roger Waters, MIA, Susan Sarandon, and Tom Morello, who lend their voices to the cause.

Our special guest for this episode is Kym Staton, the director of the documentary film 'Trust Fall'. In our interview, we delve into the challenges faced during the making of the film and the significance of press freedom. Dotcom emphasizes the need for action to protect truth and transparency, highlighting the critical role that Assange's case plays in safeguarding journalism and free speech.

Join us as we explore the compelling narrative of Julian Assange, the importance of his freedom, and the power of documentary filmmaking in raising awareness and inspiring change.

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(00:00:30) Introduction to the importance of freeing Julian Assange

(00:14:38) The significance of Assange's case for free speech, journalism, and corruption

(00:38:40) The need for public awareness and activism to support Assange

(00:49:21) The involvement of celebrity advocates in the documentary film

(00:54:07) The challenges of getting celebrities on board for projects

(00:54:38) The power of communal film experiences

(00:56:17) The importance of having an appropriate call to action

(00:57:11) Daniel Ellsberg's role in the film and the importance of his story

(01:03:00) The similarities between Daniel Ellsberg's case and Julian Assange's case

(01:09:30) The challenges faced during the making of the film

(01:15:30) The impact of the film and the importance of spreading awareness

(01:17:15) A reading from Kym Staton's book 'Trust Fall'

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[00:00:30] Unknown:

If wars can be started with lies,   then peace can be started with truth. Julian Assange.   If you're somebody who cares about freedom,   freedom of the press, the first amendment,   if you're somebody who cares about   freedom of your financial   resources not to be   shut off by the government just because you said something that they don't like, you must tune into this show, and you must understand what's going on with Julian Assange and why he must be released now.   My guest, Kim Staten, and I, who is the director and writer for The Trust Fall, the Julian Assange documentary, we talk about what's going on with Julian, why is he   in solitary confinement, how he's been psychologically tortured, how his family, Stella, Assange, and their children have been intimidated   and threatened, and how we can help   get a more free world by helping Julian Assange.  

Thank you.   Hey. Aloha, love tribe. Welcome to Bitcoin for Peace. I have somebody here who has been dedicating   the last amount of his life energy towards freeing a man who has been   in   I consider this a torturous   situation for the last 14 years. This is Kim Staten, the director of Trustfall, the Julian Assange documentary, and he's also the founder and director of Films for Change. Welcome, Kim.  

[00:01:58] Unknown:

Thank you, Valerie. Great to be here.  

[00:02:01] Unknown:

Yeah. It's great to have you.   How did you get started   along the pathway to help Julian?  

[00:02:10] Unknown:

Well, you could trace it back to   2,010.   One night, I was at home,   one evening   watching the nightly news, and I saw,   the collateral murder video   of WikiLeaks,   that WikiLeaks most famous release,   pop up on the news. And,   it was shocking footage, and,   I knew it was something awful, but I didn't really look into it. I didn't understand it. I didn't know what WikiLeaks was. I didn't make the connection with Assange and WikiLeaks.   And, you know, little by little by little, I started to take an interest, and I guess around   5, 6 years ago, started watching other people's   films   and reading books about it,   trying to make sense of it all. And   once I really went on that path of   exploration,   I did,   just get a a huge interest.  

My my interest just grew and grew, and   my my partner, Natalia, and I, we we've,   been involved with screening other people's documentaries,   from from   around 10 years for myself, and she came on board a little later.   And we've talked about making a documentary,   and so the timing just happened to be right. And,   I embarked on   starting the film or we started on that. And,   and, you know, that was just the beginning of the of the understanding,   delving deeper and   talking to people and and and just learn a very steep learning curve   in into this   case and the story and the meaning of it all. So it just all evolved out of that.  



[00:04:03] Unknown:

And and how long ago did you start this project?  

[00:04:07] Unknown:

Nearly 3 years.  

[00:04:08] Unknown:

Oh, wow. And so   right now, we've obviously got February 20th 21st, Julian's   trial case. They're gonna figure out if they're gonna let him go free or extradite him here to the United States, so it seems very timely that this is   coming out right now. I feel like we're kind of in an urgent   crunch   to get the word out so that we can put pressure on   the the politicians and the powers that be so that we can get him   safe and free.   How's it going right now for you, and, like, what initiatives are you seeing on the ground that are supporting this in addition to your film?  

[00:04:48] Unknown:

Yeah. That's right. The 20th 21st February coming up,   just in   less than 2 weeks   is the final   hearing appeal hearing   where   the Assange defense is going to find out whether   the UK courts are gonna allow another appeal against the extradition.   So it's a 2 day public hearing at the high court in London,   and there'll be a immediate decision   on the second day   of whether that hearing is allowed.   It's a very precarious situation for for Julian because   if they deny that   appeal, he could be immediately extradited literally same day,   put on a plane to the US.  

However, if they allow the appeal, it may be,   another 6 months of court hearings.   So it it,   but in a way that's kind of the right now, unless there's some miracle for his freedom, then that's sort of the best outcome is that   his extradition to the US will be delayed.   As far as activism, it's it's it's a huge,   uprising   going on.   There's   a protest   around the world happening on those days,   not just in London.   I think they're up to about 40 cities now that are gonna be having a rally or a protest,   which is called day x.   We're getting over   yeah. That's DayX because they,   up until recently, they didn't know what day   the those hearings would be. So that's why they call it day x.  

So we'll be heading to London next week. We're having the London premiere of the trust fall   on the 18th February at Rio Cinemas.   And   then we'll be staying in London for a little while to to,   take part in those protests and, and and also do media and probably various screenings of of the film after the, premiere.  

[00:06:56] Unknown:

Where can people find out about the like, I I've seen Stella posting day x on   Twitter. Like, is there a website that people can go and find out how to participate if they wish to?  

[00:07:08] Unknown:

Yeah. The if people go to Stella's   Stella's site, I can't remember the the platform, but,   if you just Google Stella Assange,   you should be able to find it.   She's I think it's called substack particular,   website   that she uses, and and it's all it's all basically linked there,   to find out where all the locations are and if there's something happening in your city or if if you can organize something yourself.  

[00:07:38] Unknown:

You know, it's so funny. I'm going here right now. Every time I've been trying to tag her in my   Twitter, I   she her name won't even pull up, and I just typed in LinkedIn bio, Stella Assange, and it said there's, like, multiple web threats. Don't go here.   So I'm feeling I'm wondering if there's   some kind of coordinated back end attack,   going,   this   not let us get out there. Like, that's crazy right now.  

[00:08:09] Unknown:

You know, the   his opponents love doing that that   that's I mean, countries all over the world trying to bring down the WikiLeaks website routinely and,   and and, you know,   whatever they can do to to stop the word getting out, and the WikiLeaks   Facebook page is heavily suppressed and certain keywords, you know, like like, if I do update Kristen Raffinson in it, who is, the the current editor in chief of WikiLeaks, then then that post will be basically,   you know, downgraded. Like,   it it it it won't get deleted, but it will will get, like, about 5% of the usual reach of any post that we do. So they're doing this shadow banning thing and, you know, any other kind of subtle tactics that they can to reduce the reach. Like, as Elon Musk says, you know, free re free speech, but not free reach,   which is just censorship.  



[00:09:00] Unknown:

You know? It's total censorship.   Yeah. I've been put obviously, reposting a lot of your,   your tweets and things lately, and I just had a thing 2 days ago where it was like, oh, we've tagged your account for suspicious activity and la la la. And, of course, I'm like, what suspicious activity? I haven't done anything. You know?   And so I just feel like there's constantly things in the background that   people who are watching, you know, when I talked to them about, you know, this opportunity to interview you and share your story,   people are like, oh, who cares? It's just Julian. It's it's like, you don't understand the magnitude of what this   means, and I'm still learning as I keep, you know, as I got to watch your documentary, and I've watched a lot of stuff about,   Julian and Edward Snowden and everything in the last several years since I became a Bitcoiner,   why is it such a monumental   case for   free speech, for journalism, for truth, for corruption? Why do people who   aren't in this space, why must they know about this story?  



[00:10:02] Unknown:

Yeah. What what people need to do is look past this   narrative and this   certain   image that's been painted of Julian Assange that   the   US interests and powers have,   done a   terrific job of painting him as a   as some sort of treacherous   traitor,   villain, basically. And,   you know, we've been people have been manipulated   by that.   So there's all this negativity around it and smear. He's been smeared,   incredibly for years.   But   that's what partly what we're part of what we're aiming to do in the film is to show the real Julian Assange,   expose his,   his, I mean, share his   achievements   and,   his genius and his bravery,   and, and and look at it with a fresh perspective.  

And it's not that difficult as soon as you I mean, even if you just watch it one single interview with him, just   people just take 5 minutes, go on YouTube and search, join us on the interview. Just watch for 5 minutes. You find that this is a   gentle intellectual that cares about world peace.   And, and there's there's these smears that just keep going and going. And you just have to question   how lazy people are   to   just regurgitate   other people's ideas and just carry this stuff on. We see it in the comments of of any social posts that we do.   Intellectually lazy people   will just copy what somebody else says without doing 5 minutes of research.  

It's incredible,   how lazy some people are.   You know, let let me just debunk one of them. You know, we see it, like, every day somebody says   Julian Assange is a rapist.   Excuse me.   He was never even charged.   How dare you? You know, there's a thing in democracy called innocent until proven guilty.   Mhmm. It was an accusation.   That's what it was. And what it stemmed from   was 2 women who went to   Stockholm,   police station,   in Sweden   and asked the police to help   them,   have Assange   go get an STI test because he'd slept.   They they willingly slept with him,   on on his trip Sweden. He's a single man,   and, you know, doing what many single people do.  

That's what they went to the police station for.   And then by some subterfuge, some interesting thing that went on there,   within 24 hours, it was all over the headlines, literally 24 hours, and this is meant to be a confidential police interview.   It's out on all the major news.   So there's a whole story there that, you know, someone needs to cover in a in a in a, like, in a documentary. Like, we've we just touch on it briefly in the film because it it just needs to be quickly debunked. There was never any charge and the case has been dropped.   So people that wanna make that claim, it's, it's absolutely disgusting. I mean, it's, it's defamation.  

You know, anyone that says that they should just be sued if he was out.   He wasn't in prison, locked up in a maximum security prison, solitary confinement, 22 hours a day, he could just sue everybody that says that. It it's it's just an awful thing to to claim about somebody, and that's what, you know, that's what the CIA knew, that if they wanna   bring down somebody's,   reputation and undermine their work,   then   you just use one of these extreme smears.   So this is covered quite comprehensively in the film.   Anyway, back to your question, what why is this important?  

Because Assange and WikiLeaks   were the 1st organization   to take on the mainstream narrative and say,   no. We want the truth on the news. We don't want   propaganda,   lies.   We don't want wars that start from lies.   He's one of his famous quotes is   wars are a result of lies.   Yeah.   If if,  

[00:14:35] Unknown:

if wars can be started by lies, peace can be started by truth. That's the very first quote I have right here in my show notes, and I that's the most important thing, I think, for us to understand.   I mean,   we have a 247   war machine, and it's   it's unacceptable.   And, obviously, the war machine wants to keep getting its oxygen and money and power.   And when the truth gets out, the war machine starts to wither and die, and it doesn't ever want to do that. So it will   protect itself at all costs, including   torturing somebody.   Like, you know, when   I was shocked.  

I didn't understand that Julian has been   in isolation in a maximum security prison for so long. Why is why is a journalist   who's a peaceful person, he hasn't killed anybody,   why is a journalist   in this situation? Why is he in isolation?  

[00:15:33] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, they've come after him ever since the major releases of 2010.   So   what,   what happened was   Assange,   was a student at the University of Melbourne in Australia studying maths and science. Extremely bright,   outstanding in in in,   at that time.   And,   he came up with this idea and innovation   to speed up the dissemination of truth into the world. And it was to protect whistleblowers so that if somebody came across,   crimes   that they wanted to report within their own organization,   they could anonymously   report it to a media outlet   without fear of reprisal.  

So that was the innovation. Brilliant idea,   Very scary to powerful people that just want to continue   to do their crimes, as you say. They,   sell arms, put you know, instigate wars for profit just to sell weapons,   and and other kinds of corruption, environmental corruption, and so on.   Anyway,   that was the innovation that that he created.   And then   in a very short time from 2006 to 2010, just 4 years,   WikiLeaks rose to global prominence.   But within a couple of years, 2008,   the the US government was already   looking at ways to destroy WikiLeaks   to bring them down.  

They already had strategies in place. They had a task force of a 100 staff   on the job of that.   It was such a big threat to their to their ability to just do whatever they want.   So then in in   2010, that was when the big releases came out, the Afghan war logs, Iraq war logs, collateral murder video,   and the diplomatic cables.   And then from there,   the aggression of the US,   just,   exploded. It it it became   really intense. That's when the smear campaign started. That's when he was,   debanked.   It was the first time that you had this,   unified   thing of, Mastercard, Visa, PayPal   shutting off donations,   his own personal bank account closed.  

They had this whole   strategy in many different ways   to, to destroy WikiLeaks and to destroy Julian's character.   And,   that that strategy is is another thing that we,   document in the film.   The plan was to drag him from country to country   for 25 years,   wipe him out financially through dozens of court cases, which is part of what they're doing now.   And ultimately,   get him over to the US,   put him on trial,   throw him in a prison, torture him, get all the information, and hopefully, he just gets murdered or dies from the psychological and physical torture. That's what they wanted to do,   and that's what they're in the process of doing.  

They're 13 years into the slow motion execution of a journalist,   and   people are still   misled by these smears and, oh, he helped,   he stopped Clinton getting into,   power. Well, she can do that by herself. She's well capable   of not getting into power because she doesn't belong in power.  

[00:19:03] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:19:04] Unknown:

You know, let's not go there. But look,   you know, that's what they're in the process of slowly murdering a journalist   behind closed doors because in this day and age, we don't in the west,   it's not acceptable to   take a printer journalist   publisher out into the town square and hang them.   At least society doesn't accept that.   So they have this secretive sneaky way of   of of rubbing out a journalist a threat is just for them to slowly rot away in prison.  

[00:19:37] Unknown:

Yeah. It it's so insidious, and I think folks who are watching and listening who don't understand what's going on,   I really want you guys to see this film so that you can get a little bit more   background. Because I've seen some stuff and just I didn't really get the whole   the torture, like, the psychological torture that's going on with this man and all the implications,   what individually,   with his family,   you know, and in the film,   one of your your guests, you know, it's a series of tortures a series of conditions that seek to break a person's will.   And it he was saying that, you know,   psychological torture is not torture light.  

It doesn't mean that just because you're not getting waterboarded   doesn't mean you're having the same types of scars and negative repercussions, you know, that will come out physically in addition to mentally.   This it's it's so disturbing to see that we still operate this way   in our world. You know? And, obviously, Julian is a martyr at this point, you know, and I hope he never has to die to be a true martyr because   this is   I think we can fix this. I hope, like,   who other than the United States, I mean, why is the why is   the UK, like,   thinking, like, why won't they just admit, like, yeah. Let's get rid of this this bullshit. And are are we just living in a world where the CIA and our United States government and military and God knows who's   operating the the strings just has so much reach that we can't ever win.  

Like, can we ever get over this   corruption hump?  

[00:21:18] Unknown:

Yeah, absolutely. We can. All it takes is for people to wake up,   to do a little bit of research every day,   even if it's 10 minutes   from an alternative news source. Don't just get home, turn on the TV like I was doing   15 years ago. You know?   Look for alternative media sources.   Look for another side of the story. Look for the truth. Take a little bit of time for that.   It's difficult, you know, because the system puts us into a 40 hour a week job.   Inflation keeps going up.   Interest rates keep going up. So what what we're stuck in is that we just do our 9 to 5 jobs   and go home exhausted, and all you wanna do is,   grab a glass of wine and watch   something on Netflix and go to bed. And so that's that's it all sort of comes from that. That's that's what I feel is,   you know, partly we're stuck in a system of   basically,   wage slavery, like,   you know, but, look, we we choose that too. We choose we choose   how much daily expenses we have, how big our house is, how nice our car is.  

But if we if we simplify our life   so that we don't have to   work to the point of exhaustion, we get a little bit of spare time that we can   learn things. We can look at what's going on in the world. And if we do that,   we find that there's a lot of work to be done. There's a lot to do. There's a lot of education needed. There's activism needed. There's things that we gotta fix in the world, and then we feel motivated to do something even if it's just a small thing towards that. You know? Before this   film,   and I, we,   did a campaign against single use plastic for 2 years in Sydney, and they changed the laws. We showed films about plastic to,   around a 100000 people.  

I mean, sorry, 10,000 people in a live event setting. So we had a 100 events,   that were free entry, and then we showed it to the trailer,   3 minutes of scenes of,   plastic in the in the stomachs of birds and turtles   to 2,000,000 Sydney people. And they changed the laws because that's public awareness.   Not it's not just governments that can do public awareness campaigns, but people can do it too. And it doesn't really take that much. So, you know, we've campaigned for plastic single use plastic   for,   awareness around animal treatment,   aboriginal,   rights in Australia   and various other issues.  

And now we're   doing free speech world peace and Julian Assange.   And and look, I   I I've I've, you know, my my motivation is always that I wanna just make a difference in the world, some some kind of small difference.   I'm not interested in,   being wealthy and having a nice house and a nice car and fancy holidays. Like, what gets me out of bed every day is,   educating people and and just doing something meaningful. So   I I'm I'm very,   privileged gifted in in in the in the way that people have supported this film. We've had   2,000 people contribute to our crowdfunding campaign,   9 investors   to make the film possible.  

And it's allowed me to work full time on it for most of the last 3 years.   So I I have an opportunity to be   an advocate and an educator full time and,   not have to do a job that,   isn't isn't, you know,   making,   isn't in line with my passion. So but, you know, I also made that happen. I I I I put in the hard yards. I slept in the back of my car,   couch surfed, and   whatever else I had to do,   to to sort   of build up a career in education and awareness and and in this case, filmmaking now.   It it just took a lot of perseverance and with that, but also,   people   around the world are embracing that because   if they're not in a position to make a difference,   they're clever enough to realize, well, let's support someone that is in the position.  

This film,   it's not a low budget documentary. It started out that way. It was actually I was just gonna do it at no cost, a YouTube   documentary.   Gonna spend a few months on it.   But we realized pretty quickly that there's a big   community of supporters for Assange around the world, like, probably millions of people. Mhmm. And, few months, we realized that,   yeah, this could be we could   build this up into a cinema worthy film, but to do that, it costs 100 of 1,000 of dollars.   It's a very expensive protest, process because,   for example,   one image you wanna license for worldwide   all medium perpetuity for a documentary.  

One image can cost $1,000,   and it's up on the screen for 3 seconds.   And this is a 2 hour 2 hour film.   There's, like, at the beginning of in the trailer, like, for example, watch the trailer, you'll see,   some little bites of, like, Joe Biden on, I think it's Fox News and   and a few other opponents, Hillary Clinton   saying nasty   psychopathic stuff.   You know, this stuff,   yeah, it's like a fee a collection of little 2 second bits, and each of those 2 second bits cost $1,000   to license.   So,   and then the editing, the post production is the biggest expense because you're talking 800 hours for a film like this,   800 hours,   of paying a professional editor because I'm not a professional full time editor. I don't know all the, all the tricks of,   stitching together a film. So, yeah, very expensive process, but thankfully, very grateful that we we got there in the end. And now the film is out in cinemas.  

It's it's incredibly   exciting time,   to to see all these screenings happening, to see cinemas,   mainstream cinemas, independent cinemas all around Australia and New Zealand where we've, just released the film,   showing the film, and then to go to some of the screenings   and see the response and talk to people and, you know, see cinemas with 100 of people, people flocking to,   look into this sometimes for the first time.   It's really rewarding at at this stage, after all the hard work, it's really,   most of that 3 year process has just been, really,   tiring, challenging, exhausting.  

But now, I suppose in a way, it's, the point of where we, we get to   have a little bit of enjoyment of of sharing it with people.  

[00:28:14] Unknown:

And and with that,   like, how can people get   this in their own theaters? Can people access this to   have a home   movie watching party? Can are you gonna start doing some things online given the   the, the hearing that's coming up on 20th 21st so that we can get more awareness and more people showing up to these protests?  

[00:28:35] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, because of the fact that, as I said, we had investors covered 1 third of the total cost of the film,   we we can't just put the film out for free, unfortunately. That's just the predicament,   because I have, you know, that responsibility   of of paying that back.   However,   it the film was shown and is being shown,   in on a on a channel called RT. It's a satellite,   subscription channel.   And it's already reached millions and millions of people in,   middle east, Africa, and India.   So the film, it's already been a success awareness wise   with its reach,   into the millions. We would estimate around,   17,000,000   people have seen it that way Wow. Over the last months.  

And then now,   it's in cinemas. It's having a proper   theatrical release, which is, a rare thing for a documentary.   We thought it was possible. And,   in early December last year, we started pitching it to cinemas in Australia and New Zealand.   I had no idea what the uptake would be. Would maybe just a few cinemas would show it, but,   we've got about 30 cinemas showing it right now and another   40 or so,   about to make you know, in the process of making booking.   And then we have event cinemas, which is the the largest cinema chain in Australia in Australasia,   is is about to show it from the 5th March onwards.  

So it it could potentially reach, if things go to plan, we could reach quite easily a 100000 people in Australia could see it in a cinema, maybe more.   And, you know, in a cinema, this is the most powerful experience you can have because it's big screen.   Mhmm. Big sound live audience, audience reactions,   and also people are focused. And,   you know, the thing about watching at home is you tend to get distracted. You check your phone. Sure. Yeah. You make a meal.   And people end up watching it in little dribs and drabs, and that's not not ideal.   But, you know, the main thing is in a cinema setting, it's the most powerful experience that people can have. So that's how,   our strategy is to start with cinema.  

So we'll be releasing in the UK very soon,   probably as early as, last week of   Feb. And then,   probably Europe after that, and then,   the US and and then many other countries. I think I think we were   looking at the response of the film, the the way that cinemas have embraced it,   and the way that,   it's it's getting a lot of buzz and a lot of word-of-mouth   because it's a shocking emotive film that really touches people.   I think it will potentially be shown in cinemas in pretty much every country of the world,   over over a period of time. And then,   once we finish that, we'll put it out on streaming platforms,   pay per view and and so on. So,   you know, it's it's already had yeah. It's already been seen by millions of people. And,   and now we're focused on,   not as much the the reach, but the the very powerful experience that you have in a cinema,   you know, quality over quantity,   that way. And, and it's it's really building up and growing. So, you know, cinema is actually the the major chain cinemas have the ability to put it out to many, many people very, very quickly.  

If it if a major chain in the US   takes up the film,   you know, it could be seen by a 1000000 people on the opening night. So,   on online digital streaming is not the only way to get,   a lot of reach really quickly.  

[00:32:20] Unknown:

But given the time sensitivity that we're dealing with, if, like you said, if they decide they want to extradite him, he could be extradited the next day, which could   lead to   god knows what if he gets here to the United States, you know, for his safety and his life and well-being.   Is there an opportunity for the next you know, it's not even 2 weeks away,   to just push it somehow and, you know, obviously, get your funders their money back, and you can do a livestream for donation   or something just to get the awareness out? Because   I don't see this in my theaters around here, and I wouldn't I don't even know how to approach a theater to get it to play in my,   you know, my little town. You know? And so   in the interest of saving this man's life,   can we figure out a way to   get it out quicker or faster between now and this hearing.  



[00:33:11] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, then if we did that, then we would just basically ruin the the opportunity of showing it in cinemas, which means that everyone's watching it on a tiny screen at home with all the distractions. So it's not that's not our strategy.   Certainly, there's a urgency with educating people, but this film is not the the only way that people can be educated. And so we don't,   you know, we don't feel like we're responsible for solving this and and getting Julian Assange free just solely through this one piece. There's there's many documentaries people can watch online,   that are excellent,   you know, and and they're out there for free. For example, Juan Pasarelli's   war on journalism   is freely available on YouTube and various Assange documentaries are available,   but people don't watch them because   there's no publicity.  

How do you get publicity? Well, you get the cinemas to to show it,   to to to actually participate in the advertising.   How do we get it into the cinemas?   People can suggest it to their cinema. It's very simple. Like, there's actually a page on our website.   How how to suggest it to your cinema, and it's,   just as simple as   send them an email, recommend the trustful,   you know, message them on Facebook.   The cinemas really take notice of of,   suggestions from locals.   That's what we're finding.   So, yeah, that's our strategy. And when it does go out in America,   it will be in cinemas,   and people will have the most rich powerful experience that they that they can.  

In my view,   you know, as much as we we we feel like, oh, let's,   let's do whatever we can right now to get Assange free.   But in reality, we're not. We're doing other things with our day. We're doing a little bit little bits where we can.   And, you know, it's it's not, you know, just because,   a bunch of people, you know, post on Twitter,   free Assange, that doesn't mean he's gonna get free.   It it's gonna take a lot more.   We're dealing with the most powerful empire that's ever existed.   This is a this is a US government has been at war   for 235   out of its   247 years of existence.  

It's a war country,   and those interests are incredibly powerful. So, unfortunately,   it's not just as simple as,   hey, everyone on Twitter.   Let's all post about Assange   today, and maybe he'll get free. It's it's just it's not gonna solve that quickly,   even if Assange is trending on Twitter every day because people are not willing   to look into it. There's not enough awareness,   not enough public outcry.   So what we have to do is get, you know, increase the scale   of this movement. We need to build more awareness from,   each individual,   you know, from the ground up.  

How did, you know, the the the Egyptian uprising, how did they get rid of the government in in Egypt in 2011?   Because a million people,   surrounded the parliament house. And so the government just ran for their lives. I I'm not advocating that we,   you know, storm the parliament,   storm storm the government.   But I'm just saying you need numbers. And so when you have,   unfortunately, you know, if you have   200 people at parliament house Canberra   with Assange signs, that's not gonna get him free. If you have,   a 173   people in some place in New York handing out flyers,   like, this is all important. It's grassroots. It's gonna build up.  

But at the core of it, it's education. It's awareness.   And that's why we made this film because people need a really powerful experience. They need to sit down for a couple of hours   and really take it in.   Not just not just see a catchphrase on Twitter.   Free Assange, you know, no extradition.   Like, what what is that about? As you said at the beginning of the interview, you know, they don't people don't know, and they haven't taken the time to look into it. So,   the idea of this film is that,   hopefully, with the involvement of,   you know, celebrity narrators, Tom Morello,   Susan Sarandon,   Roger Waters, MIA,   you know, fans of those people will go, oh, maybe I should look into this Assange story.  

Fans of John Pildraw or Daniel Ellsberg or Stella Assange   might see, oh, that those people are in this documentary. I'm interested in what this story is. And so we're trying to make it   interesting enough, enticing enough that people will spend that   time to   actually explore it and understand it. Because when they do that, maybe they'll do something significant,   to actually,   make a difference to the campaign.   So in in my view, it needs to,   build up. It might take 6 months, a year, 3 years   to really get to critical mass   where you have enough public pressure that it becomes a political,   issue. It becomes a   campaign,   sticking point where, you know, the next US election, the next Australian election,   it becomes a main point of concern   for   is, you know,   does my prospective leader   support the freedom of Assange?  

It's gonna take a lot of public awareness for that.   So, we're not gonna solve this by, by next Thursday, in my view, You know? And that's otherwise, we wouldn't have made the film if we thought that it was so easy to solve.  

[00:38:49] Unknown:

Clearly, yeah. It's not I agree. It's not an easy to solve. It's not a just make one call to your rep. It's not just go   to one   viewing or one protest. It's clearly a huge   issue that this Kraken machine doesn't want,   to be solved. You know? And so it's gonna take a lot, a multi,   a multi tiered approach, you know, to get this. And   and, you know, this is just one thing. I think Stella had posted this about calling our US reps for congress. There's,   house resolution 934   expressing just for those of you listening that aren't watching the screen,   expressing the sense of house rep of reps that regular journalistic activities are protected under the first amendment and that the United States ought to drop all charges against an attempt to extradite Julian Assange.  

And so   you guys I'll put this in the show notes and everything, but you guys can go call your reps,   and who knows if they'll listen or not depending on what state you're in and who was the cosponsor of the bill.   All these little things hopefully can add up, but  

[00:39:55] Unknown:

I mean, clearly, like like, I don't wanna give the impression that I'd that that I don't think these things are worthwhile. Rallies, protests,   flyers, petitions, letters to your parliament.   All of that is important, but this is a marathon, not a sprint. It's been going on for 13 years. We're not gonna solve it in 2 weeks, unfortunately.   You know, but at the same time, I always hope for a miracle. I get up every day.   First thing I do is check the news. You know, I Google Assange news, and I'm hoping that there's some good news. And sometimes you see good signs,   and then we get our hopes up. Like, for example,   when Anthony Albanese, the labor government, got in, into power about year and a half ago,   Albanese, the the current prime minister of Australia, was quoted as saying in a backroom meeting,   enough is enough, you know, in regards to Assad. Like, he doesn't see the point of continuing this, which is a pretty weak statement. Right? And it took 6 months for him to finally, in parliament, say,   yes. I've said enough is enough.  

And, you know, sort of   may indicate that he's going to make some representations   for Assange.   But he's the 1st Australian prime minister to   basically not be against Assange, to be sort of neutral or sort of playing each side. And, you know, he does have   the the nickname each way elbow.   So he's a very talented,   politician.   Anyway,   another 6 months passed and all the Assange supporters got very optimistic. Oh,   this is it. He's gonna he's gonna free Assange. But 6 months later,   some journalists or lawyers,   went through some FOI   requests through the government to to see what sort of documents have been exchanged between the US and Australia,   and there was basically nothing.  

And so then the government said,   yes, we've been doing quiet diplomacy,   you know, which is ridiculous for bureaucrats because they love paperwork.   And then, you know, a few months later after that, which is just coming up to current times recently, he said,   you know, I've done my best,   but,   Joe Biden can't get involved with   legal cases   that are in the courts, which is complete lie because they do it every day. They get involved with the legal cases. And so this has been a merry dance,   of Anthony Albanese to try to pacify those Assange supporters.   And what I've seen   a lot of Assange supporters do is just stop   stop doing any activism because they think, oh, yeah. Should be alright. You know, it's gonna sort itself out.  

But no, you know, we need to keep going constantly.   And if you're a busy person, you you you can't put a lot of time in, you know, doing these little 5 minute things, a Twitter post, sign a petition,   and once a month, go to a rally or once a year even.   All of that adds up, but my point is,   awareness needs to grow astronomically.   You need to next protest   you know, in in 6 months' time, we need to have a protest in all the major cities where you have a 100,000 or a 1000000 people come out,   and then it becomes undeniable   for these,   leaders and authorities to to actually if they wanna stay in power   to to do the right thing and and free this this heroic journalist.  

They're not gonna do that if everyone's asleep and uneducated.  

[00:43:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Exactly. Well, it's interesting because, you know, here we've got our elections coming up in   in November, and all we see is the Democrats and Republicans and Biden and Trump and, you know, that's it.   You know, Robert f Kennedy junior   said he would pardon   Assange on day 1,   and I've not seen   even   one line that he's even running   in Fox or CNN or any of these mainstream media news outlets. The only way that I know that this man is running for president from any media is through Twitter or through Instagram,   on his posts. And so   I find it to be reprehensible and disgusting,   you know, that we're just I mean, obviously, these big mainstream medias are just puppets for propaganda,   for the chemical companies, for the banks, for the government.  

They have no journalistic integrity at all. It's 0,   and so I don't understand   why more people aren't   in outrage. They're just sleeping. People are asleep at the wheel. You know? And, you know, you had mentioned earlier just about the way that the the money system is. Right? And we have inflation that everybody's dealing with, and this is why I became a Bitcoiner   3 years ago because I learned about, oh, this 40% money print during COVID. And I'm like, well, that sounds like that means my purchasing power is less. And so, that sounds like theft.   I need to go deeper into learning about   what is money, what is fiat. And I thought I knew because I was a,   a business person, and   I went to business school and worked at Deloitte and Touche and all these things. Right? And so I thought, I know, and then I realized, holy shit, I don't know anything.  

What else don't I know?   And   it really, really   every time you, you know, cover some truth on a rock, you're like, woah. There's more rocks over here to keep on, you know, turning. And   I always you know, I've been saying, like, the powers that be want you numb, dumb, sick, scared, broke, hungry, angry, lonely, tired, and horny so they can control you and manipulate you so that they can keep extracting your life energy from you in the form of taxes and inflation. And so,   when I woke up to that truth,   you know, because I'm a hippie. I'm like, yay, let's go take some acid and save the world and go play some music and everything's gonna be great and let's meditate and kumbaya.   But once I really, really understood that this broken monetary system, no matter how much you   have that, that's why obviously,   you know, the the hippie movement in the sixties, if we would have Bitcoin back then or any kind of sound money, what could have happened?  

You know? But because we were in this broken system still of lies and greed and corruption and manipulation and then going off the gold standard in 71,   it's just like, oh,   wow. There's a lot more things that we all need to know, and people who are artists, creators, documentarians,   musicians,   healers, activists.   A lot of us have been just like, no. No. It's just a consciousness shift. We've just gotta, you know,   love everybody.   And it's like, yes, and you have to have this base layer of sound money that's   not confiscatable.  

You can't shut it down because you spoke out against the government and, you know, unbank you at the press of a button with these powers that be. That's what happened with the the Canadian truckers a lot, and that got under my skin too because I was like,   these people are just peacefully protesting, and now you're shutting their bank accounts down. You're shutting people who donated to them   down, not even people who were at the protest, but if you donated $50 to the truckers, your bank accounts got shut down in Canada.   And I was like, what?  

That's crazy. Are you sure? You know? And that just kept giving me more   fuel to keep learning, like, what is the alternative solution,   a solution. Obviously, we still need a consciousness shift, and we need people to use their voices and stand up for truth and dig deeper for truth every single day of their life and not just accept what's been spoon fed to them. But having this sound money   is so, so important because   it gives you at least another layer of protection so that you can go move about   on   a parallel system,   you know, from the evil system, you know, and get this work done in a way that hopefully will reveal truth so that we can have a more peaceful and harmonious planet for everybody. We don't have to live this way. It's not required that we live in a warmongering world.  

We have abundance, we have prosperity, we have love, we have connection, and I would   venture   a bet that 99.9%   of us want to see that happen.   You know, I believe in the human spirit and love, and I believe that's what Julian believes, and I believe that's what you believe. You know? And and it's like how we cannot keep letting these tiny, tiny percentile of humans   destroy the planet and destroy the humans and the life on the planet. And so   it is scary speaking truth to power, and they are using Julian's story as an intimidation tactic for anyone else who comes along,   just like they did with Ross Albright. Like, hey, you're gonna go to jail for life in solitary because you made a website,   you know,   and it's unacceptable. And so we have to keep using   our beautiful voices if we're lucky enough to have the ability to do so in these countries that so far we get to use our voices. But,   like I said, I think, you know, I noticed my accounts when I started reposting a lot of this stuff recently, I'm getting tagged and flagged and not enough, you know, this not that I'm some huge account, but I'm noticing I'm getting throttled, you   know, and I know and I'm small and it gets easy to just go, okay, small voices, we're gonna smoosh you,   you know, and and that's what they're doing.  

Tell me about   I mean, you've got some big names here, you know, Roger Waters, MIA, Susan Sarandon,   Tom Morello.   Fuck. I won't do what she told me. Let's go. Right? And so   how are they treating this experience, you know, by being a part of it? Are they   really pushing this forward right now, and do they understand,   like, it's time to put the pedal to the metal in the next, you know, 6 months?  

[00:49:40] Unknown:

Yeah. These are, you know, particularly,   Roger, Susan   Roger and Mia have been,   advocates for Sanj   much longer than me. And and Cool. You know, and as I say, like a marathon, not a sprint. And Roger,   it's incredible   how much advocacy he's done.   Every single concert that he does, he puts up the collateral murder video footage.   I think he,   has a song about WikiLeaks,   and he he gives statements and,   you know, he he gave a speech at the the the really the biggest sort of London protest at the beginning of the extradition trial.   MIA is,   I understand, is is the boys,   Julian and Stella's 2 boys, their godmother.  

She's worked   with Anj while he was in the embassy. She was   writing music for his TV show because he was hosting a TV show called the world tomorrow   at the time, and she wrote a jingle for that. And so these these 2 have been very much a part of the movement for a long time, and they and they will fit in work wherever they can and get involved. And, hence,   the   participation   voluntarily,   in the film.   It was fantastic to have them in the film because it does   potentially expand our reach and our results and our ability to   encourage, to entice people,   to get curious enough to to spend the 2 hours to watch the film.  

Susan Sarandon   is very new to the campaign. It was only, I think,   6 months ago that she first publicly spoke out for Assange, and it takes so much bravery to do it because basically she's   really restricting her career   by siding with someone that, you know, Hollywood is obviously very establishment. And,   I I know from,   communicating with a lot of,   actors and   part of this project is that they're   they support Julian, but they don't wanna do it publicly because they don't wanna ruin their career.   But Serendon, I guess,   just decided   it's more important   to support what she believes in   than to, you know, win more awards and and get more movie roles.  

So it's fantastic. And then Tom Morello has been   very active in all kinds of activism for for years.   And, you know, so,   there was a few other celebrities that we wanted to have involved, but but who didn't want to. And and as I say, we're scared to.   But having these four brave enough to lend their voice, to put their name on the poster,   and then, you know, and just and just take that risk   and be outspoken   and, you know, be on the right side of history,   is an incredible thing. And I think,   hope we're hoping MIA will come to the London premiere next week. And and, Roger   wasn't in London at the time, but he said he'll,   catch the film soon when, you know, if it it should continue in London for quite some time.  

And, when we get to the US, we're really looking forward to having Susan's and Tom's help with connections and getting it out there,   because if if we can get it onto a major cinema chain in the US from from the get go,   as I say, it would reach, you know, a 1000000 people   really quick and then and then even many, many more straight away. And with that very powerful, rich experience of of of that only a cinema can can give.  

[00:53:18] Unknown:

What about, like, doing concerts? Can we get the film shown at, like, a concert venue and with the artists? I mean, obviously,   MIA and Roger Waters and Tom Morello are all musicians.  

[00:53:32] Unknown:

I think this Tuesday night in Adelaide, we're probably gonna get around 5, 6, maybe 700 people coming. It'll be our biggest event.   Maybe   maybe there'll be some screenings in the US   that that could be,   bigger,   a bigger crowd, and and, you know, certainly,   Roger Waters would have the ability to sort of instigate that.   But, you know, we can also achieve a lot of reach just by   showing it in,   you know, hundreds of cinemas   every night for   10 weeks or something,   you know, before it goes to digital. So,   yeah, there's lots of lots of things we could do.   But, look, you know, these celebrities,   really famous people,   then they're very busy too, and they always they've their their inboxes are just   next level. Like, it's they must they must open the inbox, and it just   it just, blows up every day. So,   you'll you know, it's hard it's hard to even   get them on board for for one project, let alone some sort of ongoing   thing. But at the same time, you know, I think I know that Susan's watching the film today for the first time.  



[00:54:45] Unknown:

Really? Oh, cool.  

[00:54:47] Unknown:

That's exciting. And and Roger, I don't think has seen it yet. So, and I don't think the others have either. And and I you know, again, I would I prefer they watch it in a cinema with the audience response because that's another beautiful thing is,   this film,   some some it's got some x factor, some unique power where the audience applause is during the film, like, around 6 or 7 times. And I've never seen that in a documentary.   You're lucky to get a clap at the end, but this is like midway and all these,   comments and reactions. And   and, that makes it a communal, very powerful experience.  



[00:55:23] Unknown:

It really is. And the energy of it. And I obviously thank you for sharing it with me. I got to watch it.   And I had to pause it several times because I was crying a lot, and I was pissed off. And   and I felt alone, and I'm home alone watching it. I'm like,   you know?   There's something to be said when there is   a resonance in an audience, whether, again, as a DJ and somebody who plays music and we're all vibing together when you're in a film.   Whatever it is, when there is something that you're all getting to experience,   whether it's euphoric,   whether it's outrage, whether it's   sadness, whether it's compassion,   it amplifies   that emotion, I think. And then it leaves a larger   I guess, I call it like a tattoo on your soul. You know? And so you do,   I think, have that memory, and then I think it causes people to take more   action. And so then having   an appropriate call to action at the end, you know, is just so important. Right? It's not just like   I I remember when I saw,   what was it, inconvenient   truth, I think,   and I just didn't at the end, I was like, well, what the fuck are we supposed to do now? Like, everything's gonna blow up. I didn't feel empowered. I felt disempowered and depressed,   and I was like,   okay.  

You know? And so   when you have when you've taken   an audience member, a listener, a user on that journey,   that emotional,   experience,   have the you know, taking care of them after and going, this is what now we have action. Now we're empowered. You have information,   and now we have action. And so,   in your film,   Julian was saying that people ask him, what can I do? And then he says the answer is not so difficult.   Number 1, learn how the world works.   Number 2, challenge the statements and intentions of those who seek to control us beyond the facade of democracy and monarchy.   And then the third is to unite in common purpose and common principle   to design, build, document,   finance, and defend the truth. And so having the action afterwards, I think, is is   is critical.  

You know? And so that's what you're doing, and I think it's great.   You know, again, these multi tiers, multi prongs that we can address this problem because it's not gonna go away.   You know? And and they're still gonna even if this happens and we can get Julian free or something less, it's like,   are what are they gonna keep trying to do so that they can keep their secrets secret?   You know? And so we have to keep demanding transparency.   We have have to keep demanding truth and fairness,   and   not allow people to bully truth tellers,   you know, and and intimidate them with violence and financial violence, which is what they did, obviously.  

I mean, and that's my thesis is Bitcoin is a tool for peace,   and it it allows you to be able to go do these other things in the world with at least having some financial   sovereignty.   And obviously, as you're sharing, you need to have finances to get messages out there in a broad,   scalable way.   And so if they shut that down,   we're screwed. You know? So we have to have financial sovereignty. We have to have freedom of speech. Otherwise, we have no freedom, period.   You know?   What have you seen,   Who have you seen in your path recently that   has been an   Who was just kind of like, oh, I don't. Who cares? I'm discounting Julian. It's just this. And, you know, and they're believing the rapist nonsense.  

And then all of a sudden, they're, like, on board, and they're like, woah. I gotta change my direction now and go do something.  

[00:59:12] Unknown:

Yeah.   We've been to a bunch of there's,   I guess, there's been around   50 or so cinema screenings   so far. We've been to quite a few of them, a handful of them, and,   chatted to the audience. And,   the interesting thing is when when somebody   brings along a friend that's sort of a bit reluctant and they think they know what it's all about.   And they may be very conventional   sort of,   you know, closed off person that just basically follows the mainstream in every way.   And then to see a film like this, it's it's very impactful, and and it really challenges   all their beliefs   about the whole system. And and I think,   it's I think the the footage that we present, the collateral murder footage and plus the   never seen before interviews with   some of the victims of that incident, it's undeniable, and and it gives people a different sense of   the,   significance of that incident,   as the basis for the persecution of Assange.  

And I and I think, you know, even though the film has some   emotive,   elements,   you know,   devices used to to stimulate emotion,   is extremely factual. It's it's,   now all the people we interviewed,   these are not people that throw around   rumors or   or just kind of hypothesize on things and,   make up whatever they wanna say. They it's all very factual.   And we we did, you know, very intense research.   It's all based on fact. And,   you know, that that from from   the   conclusion of, the 3 doctors that went to visit Julian   in Belmarsh prison and concluded onto the Istanbul   protocol that he's a victim of psychological torture   through to,   you know, the the thorough sort of legal,   process of of looking at,   the, you know,   Swedish documents between Sweden and the UK based on that that Swedish incident that showed more than 40 violations of due process and,   destroying of evidence and,   and then the the star witness,   against Assange in the extradition hearing   has admitted that he lied on radio   in his testimony.  

You know, we we don't, go into supposition and rumors. It's all based on fact, and I think it's very convincing.   And when people,   take the time to watch the film,   whether they have no knowledge at all of the topic   or they very typically have preconceived ideas, it's all blown away. It's all debunked,   and they can actually have   a factual,   real, truthful   view on what all of this means.  

[01:02:11] Unknown:

Yeah. And and so   and I know we've only got a few minutes left, so I wanna respect your time and really appreciate you taking time to talk about this and obviously all the thousands of hours you've put into this project.   You know, you've you have Daniel Ellsberg in your film   quite a bit,   and I'm still learning about this. Again, I'm new to this. So and   one of,   his son,   is somebody who's a Bitcoiner and who we've been you know, we worked on, Satoshi, the cyber opera a little bit, and he was helping us with some copy and writing. He's a wonderful, wonderful man.   And so as I'm learning about this, can you help people understand, like, what like,   why Daniel Ellsberg was so important in this and, like, getting the mistrial and everything helped you. I'll let you explain more than me.  



[01:03:00] Unknown:

Sure. Yeah. We we chose to have a whole chapter in the film   of Daniel Ellsberg story.   The chapter is called the Pentagon Papers because   Ellsberg was the first American citizen to be charged under the antiquated 1917   espionage act, which is the same act   that is being used   to indict Julian Assange on 18 counts.   So   Assange on the other hand is the first journalist   which sets an extremely   scary precedent   in regards to   press freedom and the decline of press freedom.   So in late sixties,   Daniel Ellsberg   was working for the US army as an analyst. He served in Vietnam   and he saw firsthand   the conflict   that,   the ratio of,   Vietnam people, civilians mostly being killed was 10 to 1   versus the US,   forces. And also more importantly, that Nixon was gonna keep the war going on for years years.  

It was gonna be an endless war and probably involve air power   and massive, massive loss of life. Typical a typical US   business   war,   war business of war.   And so Ellsberg   leaked the document that he'd coauthored,   leaked it to the press. So he was a whistleblower.   He saw something wrong that he thought the public should know. He wanted to save people's lives.   And at that time he was   having a change of heart. He was   going from being an establishment,   you know, government employee,   do what you're told.   America's great. We should own the world kind of person.   I'm I'm kind of making some assumptions here because I don't it's not like I know everything about what he says and thinks,   but I'm just sort of rambling.  

But, you know, he the point is he made   a a big shift in his life,   to becoming a peace activist. He was influenced by   his the the the woman that he was dating that became his wife, that she was a peace activist.   He went along to,   a lecture of some kind where people that were dodging the draft   that were refusing to go and fight in Vietnam. Even if they went to prison, they were, they were taking a stand for peace.   And he also was influenced   by, a,   a woman who gave a speech,   saying that,   in the Gandhi philosophy,   we know no enemies.  

So even people that wanna fight us and hurt us   are our friends.   So it's basically a compassion,   you know, love thy neighbor,   kind of concept. And so he was influenced by these beautiful ideas of peace and compassion   and decided to   put his life on the line just like Assange has done and,   and put out the information.   But the thing is,   during the trial,   the Nixon government   spied on him. They broke into the   office of his psychiatrist and stole document   evidence. And,   alt ultimately, his case was dropped,   And we've had exactly the same thing happen with Assange. He's been spied on the in the embassy.   The he's been filmed, videoed, his lawyers,   without him knowing, this is all part of   another court case that's going on right now against,   Mike Pompeo   and and the US,   for that spying   activity. But   here we are,   50 years later   and,   it's a repeat of history. So it's the same Espionage act,   similar circumstance. You know, in this case, it's a publisher rather than a whistleblower.  

And they've spied on him.   They've used the same tactics, but the case is still ongoing.   And so that tells us that   in 50 years,   our rights and freedoms,   are in a worse state. Like things are getting worse in the world. There's more censorship. There's more, there's a rising,   technocratic fascism that's happening,   and press freedom is is declining,   in every in all around the world.  

[01:07:40] Unknown:

Yeah. And and so   what you had said earlier though about having   this be the strategy where they're just gonna move them around for 25 years,   you know, and then just drain everybody who's participating   in this process, it seems like. You know, I think   I just think of the old days when I used to have to call, like, AT and T or Sprint. I mean, it would take hours just to get ahold of somebody and do something simple, and then you would just give up and you're like, screw it. I'm gonna let my phone bill,   just have that extra charge on it. And   this is that on a exponentially   more,   huge   and horrific scale.  

You know? It's just kinda like, cool. We're just gonna keep stringing this along and seeing how long we can, I mean, torture him and his family and all of the folks who have been supporting for so long?   It's it's such a horrible   I I just can't imagine being a human being that would do that. I I don't I just can't imagine   that. And then thinking in terms of the compassion and love and peace and all of this, and I'm obviously   a hardcore peace lover, but as a mom, I get very   I get very defensive if I think somebody's gonna mess with my kids.   You know? And I think about what Stella sounds like has been going through with her and her children and everything, I can't imagine   it's like, how can we open up our hearts to people who are truly,   you know,   possessed by evil.  

And and it's we have to, I know, but it's doesn't it's not easy. And so I'm just I applaud anybody who can continue this   this journey and still have a a heart and a soul like you and like, obviously, Julian and everybody around this case.   How has this changed your life?  

[01:09:27] Unknown:

Oh, that's a good question. I haven't had that one, but I yeah. It's a it's a really good   question. Yeah. I I think I think pressure creates diamonds and, you know,   the challenges of this project have,   stretched my really stretched my abilities. Like, there's been   dozens of times when I just felt like giving up.   We ran out of funds   many, many times, and I just feel like, are we ever gonna finish this project?   You know, things go wrong, like, things people that you wanna interview   reschedule   twice, and you sort of just feel like it's never gonna happen and   just all kinds of challenges, challenges with with licensing, with people providing   ridiculous quotes that you just can't afford, and and are they going to come down to something affordable? And   just all this stuff where where it just feels like there's there's big barriers in a way to,   making the film that we wanted to make.  

It really stretches you, but, but also intellectually, like I'm, I'm not someone that's really ever been into politics. And that's part of that's why the film is in a different style. It includes philosophy and poetry because   I knew that I, like, I don't watch political documentary. I I I've seen citizen 4 and a couple of Assange films, but I I'm not gonna go look for a political doco because it's all just like you just swamped with information and you have to sit there and just go take notes. Like, it's full on. It's not relaxing. And so I wanted to, you know, somehow   breathe some life into it that people can see the trailer and go, oh, it's not just a cold, dry, serious political intellectual   film that's gonna be, you know,   out of my head,   off, you know, above above my understanding,   you know, and try to lay it out really clearly and simply.  

But, you know,   intellectually, yeah, it was a challenge, and and it was very daunting to sit down in front of people like Ellsberg and Pilger and Stella Assange and people that are   very, very bright and and very knowledgeable,   and may come in with,   you know,   very little knowledge and just try to ask the right questions and really and and just, also a big pressure to have 2,000 people support the film and sort of feel this immense pressure to to do a good job and   do something that sort of makes everyone   feel like   their money was well spent.  

I think at this point, we can safely say that,   we did do a pretty good job, like, without blowing my own trumpet, like, you know, from the the response reports that reviews that people have given.   You know, I think we did we did in the end, but we had so much help. And, you know, particularly with   getting all the facts right, we had Jennifer Robinson,   Julian's lawyer,   and also Juan Pastorelli.   I mentioned already with, the war on journalism, which is a film you can watch for free anytime.   You know, those 2 people,   did yeah. Just just did a great job to sort of go through the film multiple times,   point out things that were unclear or or inaccurate, and then we could go rework it,   which which was quite a just such a tedious,   difficult process of editing. But, you know, we got there in the end, and and I'm really happy with the result. And   and I think in the end, we did do justice   in some way, you know, as a as a ode to Julian's tremendous self sacrifice and achievements   and his bravery,   and also to get the facts,   clear and accurate and,   and for it to be, effective   advocacy tool.  



[01:13:14] Unknown:

Yeah. It's definitely changed my perspective in in an even more broader way, and I think the way that you've   presented it, like, again, you're a poet and a musician.   I loved all of the audio in the film. I was noticing   you had a good array of   sound effects. You had a good array of different sound clips that you used, so it wasn't just the same   repeated boring documentary loop, you know, of 5 of them. You did a great job of really coloring the   the experience,   you know, with facts and data and then with emotional,   tools. You know, I call it the windshield wiper effect when you're creating things for people. You wanna get the left and the right brain and the heart and the mind and stuff. So you've nailed it   really beautifully.  

So I I love it. I can't I want tons of people to go see this. So just if I were to go approach my you said to there's the link up on is it on the,   is it on this site, on the GoFundMe site where people can go learn how to   invite their  

[01:14:14] Unknown:

local theater how to do this? It's on our website. So that's the trustful.org.   There's a page just in a few little steps of how to approach your cinema and,   indicate your interest in that.   Surprisingly, it really works. Just it can just take only a few people and the cinema will,   take notice and,   and show the film. And that and that's how we can spread the awareness and just keep it keep it rolling on,   from one crowd to the next. You know, one one screening can lead to another screening,   and then that in in intensely,   effective   experience of of a communal live in person screening on big screen can really,   make such an impact.  



[01:15:02] Unknown:

Yeah. I think so. So I know I'm gonna be calling my   my house of reps   later. I don't think they're probably open now because it's they're it's too late, and I wanna go fight figure out if we can do a screening here in Colorado   somewhere.   I know Bitcoiners would appreciate this, and, yeah, it would be great.   Any final things you wanna let anybody know who's watching this, who's,   you know,   ready to go take some action other than go host a screening,   go to the protests? What what can we do as individuals?  

[01:15:34] Unknown:

Yeah. I I've probably,   maybe a nice way to finish you. If you like, I can read something from my,   book here.  

[01:15:43] Unknown:

Do it.   Let's go. Let me take this off.  

[01:15:48] Unknown:

Yeah. You know, that way we're not finishing with just sort of typical blood, bloody, blah.   Cool. I love it. This is, yeah. This, this is a book I'm just coming bringing out because it's basically like the narration of the film that I spent a few months writing. And, you know, most of it didn't make the film, and I just chucked it into a book and because I thought some of it was maybe bring some value to people.   I recognize this one because it's the last,   the last bit of the film.   So it's called trust fall.   If he knew that they had committed crimes and he had a river of leaks on his computer screen revealing their felonies   and the choice of whether to publish them,   if he knew that their empire is run by dark 3 letter orgs and CEOs in camo gear,   if he knew that they would chase him to the ends of the earth,   if he knew that they are rich, angry old men capable of hideous acrimony and vengefulness,   If he knew that humans have an ability to realize that we've been deceived,   to finally and critically   and profoundly and devastatingly   open our eyes,   then this is a trustful,   an incredibly brave trustful.  

And we are the ones who are meant to be doing the catching.  

[01:17:15] Unknown:

I love that. I cried when I heard that.   It it's so beautiful, Kim. You've done such a great job.   I wanna ask you just just my brain just remembered this. Like, I'm gonna be in Madera for Bitcoin Atlantis, and there's a Bitcoin film festival   that's going on on Monday   that day.   And I think I texted you, but I know you're probably at 10,000 texts. Like, is that something that we could show this film there to the Bitcoin or something? Yeah.  

[01:17:42] Unknown:

I I should have mentioned we are it's not just the actual we are also doing institutional   screenings at universities   and festivals. Okay. So we can do a festival screening at this point, in our in our release strategy. That's that's, that yeah. We'd love to do that.  

[01:17:59] Unknown:

Okay. I'll talk with the the coordinators, and I I don't know how much time slots they have or how they're doing the whole thing, but I will, I'll put you in touch with them. And That's it. And then they all are doing a a main Bitcoin Film Festival in   at the end of April, I think.   And so there'll be another opportunity that'll be a full on festival, not just an add on to this other thing. So do that. Yeah.   Okay. Cool. I'll connect you with these guys. They're amazing.   Alright. Well, thank you so much for everything you've done and that you continue to do, and I really do hope   and pray that this is   a wing on the,   you know, the the bird of freedom that so we can go and have a better future for ourselves and our kids. And,   I really, really appreciate what you're doing. So,   everybody,   follow Kim. You guys can go to the at trust fall doc on Twitter. You can also go to the trust fall dot,   org. Is that right?  

Yeah. Here.   And,   go get a screening and watch this film and get a box of Kleenex, and then go get your your marching boots because you're gonna wanna take action afterwards.   So  

[01:19:11] Unknown:

thanks again, and I really, really appreciate you taking time. And for those of you out there, thanks. Pleasure. Thanks to you. Thanks for covering it. Thanks for caring about Assange and free speech for future generations.  

[01:19:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely.   Alright, everybody. Until next time. Peace, love, and warm Aloha.   Thanks so much for tuning in. Mhmm.