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In this episode, we dive into the world of Bitcoin and the innovative platform Satlantis with Jason Hodlers- aka Geekigai", the ambassador concierge at Satlantis.

Jason shares his journey from a FedEx delivery driver to becoming a key player in the Bitcoin community, highlighting his passion for connecting people and fostering communities. We explore the concept of Satlantis, a Nostr client designed to bring Bitcoiners together globally, offering a blend of social networking and travel insights.

Jason also opens up about his personal life, sharing his experiences as a homeschooling father of six and his journey through various jobs before finding his purpose in the Bitcoin space. He discusses the importance of humility, continuous learning, and the transformative power of Bitcoin in promoting personal growth and societal change.

The conversation takes a heartfelt turn as both Jason and the host share their personal struggles with mental health, emphasizing the importance of community, purpose, and the support of loved ones in overcoming life's challenges. They discuss the broader implications of Bitcoin as a tool for peace and personal empowerment, advocating for a holistic approach to well-being.

Listeners are introduced to the concept of Ikigai, a Japanese philosophy that combines passion, mission, vocation, and profession, as Jason shares how he found his own Ikigai in the Bitcoin community. The episode also touches on the Spirit of Satoshi project, aiming to create a balanced AI model informed by Bitcoin principles.

Join us for an inspiring conversation about finding purpose, building community, and the revolutionary potential of Bitcoin and decentralized technologies.

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(00:00:30) Introduction to the Episode and Guest

(00:01:00) Jason Sellars on Satlantis and Digital Nomadism

(00:04:40) Understanding Nostr and Its Importance

(00:07:32) Free Speech and Decentralization Challenges

(00:09:01) 21 Questions Series: Bitcoin and Nostr Editions

(00:14:07) The Spirit of Satoshi and AI Bias

(00:20:20) Teaching Critical Thinking to Children

(00:24:15) Bitcoin as a Tool for Peace and Personal Growth

(00:31:00) The Impact of Fiat Money on Society

(00:36:01) Finding Purpose: The Ikigai Journey

(00:45:04) Overcoming Personal Struggles and Finding Hope

(01:02:09) Exploring Satlantis: Features and Future Plans

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[00:00:16] Unknown:

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[00:00:30] Unknown:

Hey. Aloha, Love Tribe. Welcome to the show. I have somebody with me here who is helping bring Bitcoiners together all over the world with a wonderful project   that is, you know, designed around travel. It's designed around living. It's designed for the nomad, the digital nomads.   This is Jason Sellars. He is the ambassador concierge at Satlantis.   Welcome, Jason.   Hi, Valerie. Thanks for having me here. Yeah. Totally. How's it going today? What, what what are you guys working on over there at Satlantis?  

[00:01:00] Unknown:

Oh, wow. We we are building,   like crazy here   every day.   There is,   I'm   onboarding a lot of, different, ambassadors from all around the world, I mean, on every continent.   It's,   the energy here is is,   I don't know, palpable and just yeah. It's an exciting day every day.   We, of course, we're squashing bugs that are rising in Setlantis. We're designing new features to be added to it, to the the website.   Yeah. It's just there's never a dull moment.  

[00:01:35] Unknown:

And so can you let everybody know, like, what   like, first of all, let's find out who you are, and then we'll talk a little bit more about the the details about what Stellantis is and how it's working.  

[00:01:45] Unknown:

Yeah. Sure. So,   Yeah. I am   I guess, on my bio, like on Twitter, Noster, other places, I always,   prioritize it. As a, you know, I'm a Christian father, homeschooler,   homeschooling father of 6 children.   Wow. The yeah.   Here's another wow. The first five are between the ages of 17 and 10,   and then number 6 is 8 months.  

[00:02:11] Unknown:

Oh, woah. We're right. We had a we had a little, like, let's keep going baby.  

[00:02:16] Unknown:

Yep. Yep. We my wife and I totally thought we were done. We're like, yeah. You know, 4 boys and our 10 year old's a girl, and that that's it. We're we're we're good now. No. We had one more boy, 8 months now. Oh my god. Five boys and 1 girl.   Yeah. We love him to death.   And,   Yeah. My and my wife, she actually does most of the homeschooling,   and,   Yeah. She is a trooper. She is amazing. Not just saying that because she's my wife or anything. No. She does this every day.   And,   yeah. And we live in Northern Georgia, just south of, Chattanooga, Tennessee,   where I actually run the, Bitcoin meetup in Chattanooga, Bitcoin chat. Cool.  

Yeah.   And lived out here for in this area for about 10 years, shortly after our daughter was was born.   We moved around quite a bit. I was born in Oregon, and my wife and I met,   in Virginia.   She   grew up in, 1st California and then, Kentucky, but I've bounced all around them all around North America.  

[00:03:19] Unknown:

Okay. So it sounds like you're kind of a nomad, and it seems like you might be fitting with the the Sutlantis   ethos. Tell tell everybody what is Sutlantis and why why you guys are working on this so hard.  

[00:03:29] Unknown:

So Sutlantis   is a client,   built on top of Nostr. So it is a Nostr client. You may have heard of some like Amethyst,   Domus,   Primal, many others.   Think of it like a combination   of,   Facebook Groups and,   even parts of Google Maps and stuff and Instagram   with,   Nomad List and   TripAdvisor.   Basically,   it's a tool, it's a utility, again, built on top of Nostr,   that helps to bring together   the   Bitcoin community online   with Bitcoin community and Meetspace.   That's a that's my quick summary of it,   where,   you know, there's a lot of lot of different websites where you can, find different groups that are based on interests, and those are wonderful, but this is based on actual physical locations in the real world, different cities all around the world.  

[00:04:25] Unknown:

And then so what, should I do you want me to put up pull up,   but talk about Nostra a little bit too while while we're here because a lot of people don't know what Nostra is and why it's so   ultra important right now in our world.  

[00:04:41] Unknown:

Yeah. I think I'll say this first. Think of Nostr and Bitcoin as kind of two sides of the same coin, you could say,   the the coin of communication.   Bitcoin is how we or money in general is how we communicate value.   Language,   like words I'm saying now, written language,   is, how we communicate   data, information.   Those two sides there,   are, you know, how we've communicated. We've been we've been communicating   pretty well, really well even with,   information for, you know, millennia.   And only recently, last 15 years or so, created   a really good, unbreakable,   unmanipulatable   kind of, money   called Bitcoin.  

Well, now the same thing has been done with data communication, with communicating   just information.   So that's the highest level overview of Bitcoin versus Noster.   So noster is doing   to,   to just ordinary communication, communicating words, what Bitcoin has done to communicating value.   So in the same but okay. There's some things they have that are similar, like their decentralization,   both Bitcoin and Nostra,   and some things that are not so similar. Bitcoin, for example, has, you know, the blockchain or the time chain, as it should be called.   Nostra doesn't have any of that. Nostra also doesn't have its own token. There's no reason to have some kind of token associated with it like a lot of cryptos do.  

It is woven together now with, Bitcoin, the Lightning Network, and eCash,   but it's not dependent on on Bitcoin.   So getting now to focus on Nostra itself. Nostra,   is an acronym that means notes and other oh, sorry. Trans sorry. Translates means,   is abbreviation for,   notes and other stuff transmitted by relays. There we go.   And, that's really what it is, what it says on the tin,   that you have notes and other stuff, just data with lots of different kinds of information,   being transmitted by relays. And and relays are,   basically computers, little computers that are sharing people's notes and other stuff,   with each other.  

Then   you have Nostra clients, and those are the kinds that I listed earlier like Primal, Damas, Amethyst, and dozens of others   that are,   you know, apps that connect to those relays and look in on all that information.  

[00:07:09] Unknown:

Then Got it. And those are, like, what what we would use, like, on our phones or, you know, what the the users get to use.   So, like obviously right now, what's going on, I don't know, people who are listening, if you're not listening on X,   you know, if you're listening on Facebook or LinkedIn, a lot of you may not even know that, you know, X has been banned now in Brazil   because of some psychotic judge.   And   so basically, you know, obviously, there's tons and tons of people, millions of people down there trying to communicate using X and they're getting threatened with fines if they're using a VPN   to access X. And, you know, this is such a breach of free speech, you know? And if we do not have the ability to share information,   freely peer to peer, we are gonna continue to get lied to, manipulated,   and sold a bill of goods that's not good for our health, not good for our families, not good for our finances, not good for our freedom, not good for our future. And so, Nostra, just like you said, is,   it's decentralized. You can't shut it down. There's no head,   you know. And so that's as much as we love Elon and I do love you, Elon, thank God you spent $44,000,000,000   on this platform,   you know, it can still be subject to these ridiculous rules but you can't shut down the nodes. You can't shut down the relays. You know, it's just like playing whack a mole if people are trying if these big governments are trying to go do that. And   so it's such an important thing for folks to understand about free speech and Freedom Tech and why it's important for us to learn,   run our own nodes. You know, I wanna learn how to do my own relay just so I can learn, like, what does that mean, you know? So let's talk about 21,   let's talk about 21 Questions of Bitcoin Edition and then we'll talk about the Nostra Edition and then we'll we'll come back to St. Lantus in a little bit. So tell everybody what you guys are doing over there with,   the 21 question series.  



[00:09:02] Unknown:

Yeah. So the 21 questions is a series of books.   We started this late last year and finished it finished the first book, early this year. Mhmm. So the first book is the Bitcoin edition,   officially called 21 Questions, A Beginner's Guide to Bitcoin.   It is,   so it has 21 chapters.   Each chapter's title is a common question, a top question about Bitcoin.   The lowest hanging one   is the very first one, just what is Bitcoin?   Questions like what is Bitcoin? Why is it important? Why is it limited to 21,000,000?   Things like   that most people who are new to Bitcoin, would ask.  

Now back then when I worked on that book, myself, Alex Setsky, and the rest of the team, we were all working on a project called the Spirit of Satoshi.   Mhmm. The Spirit of Satoshi,   you may you know, people watching this may be familiar with,   AI and   large language models like Chat gpt,   and   they may also be familiar with how you can ask   certain AIs certain questions and get different answers.   You know, tell me a joke about Joe Biden versus tell me a joke about Donald Trump. You'll get very different responses.   Not doing kinds of jokes. One of those, I'll let the viewers guess which one. They'll say, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to say that, and the other one will go ahead and tell you a joke.  

And,   and so a lot of people for a while this is before Alex Fetzky started working on it. A lot of people were clamoring for, shouldn't we have a,   a bias less AI,   something that will just tell you what you asked for, just give you the answer without any kind of bias?   Well, as Fetzky was looking into it, this is before I got in involved into the in the project,   he realized that the way that large language models are built,   and how they're trained, they're built and trained by human beings with our own biases.   And biases aren't inherently a bad thing.  

They're simply our worldview,   the eyes and   the memories and stuff that we approach the world with.   And all those get unavoidably embedded into   AI.   And,   and so he thought, well, if we can't have one that's completely perfectly neutral,   then what if we kind   of counterbalance   build one that'll balance out some of those more woke models   and build one that is on more the other side of the spectrum. And, that's where the idea of the spirit of Satoshi   was born.   So the spirit of Satoshi initially was built with every bit of information we could find anywhere about Bitcoin. Every single book, the text of   the words spoken in every single podcast,   every single blog article, everything we get our hands on, we just we stuffed into the spirit of Satoshi.  

But that's not the only thing that, that it takes to build a large language model. You also need   a lot of people to start training it, to start telling it,   okay. When you see this kind of question, these kinds of wording, respond with something like this, with this kind of wording. Mhmm. And so part of my task at the time I was the,   community manager for the spirit of Satoshi,   part of my task was to,   like a better term, recruit a lot of Bitcoiners,   people who really knew a lot about Bitcoin, who understood the Bitcoin ethos, understood why there is no second best,   and, and get them all together,   in one place and start training the model. Just they'll be presented with a question, not just what is Bitcoin, how does Bitcoin work, whatever.  

And,   and then respond to that question the way they would want the spirit of Satoshi to answer it. It would then go out to the whole community. We have we roughly got roughly, 500 of these trainers working on it.   Cool.   Yeah. And,   they would then   kind of vote on or, you know, rate other people's responses. And when there was a vast majority, basically a consensus   of all the,   the people working on the Spirit of Satoshi all agreed, yeah, that's a really, really good answer.   Then it would get incorporated into,   the model.  



[00:13:16] Unknown:

Oh, that's so cool. That sounds kinda like Reddit or where you would thumbs up or thumbs down things, but, obviously, with more validation   of of facts and whatnot. Yeah. Because I would what did you   I'm just curious. Were there any topics that were   more contested than others? I mean, obviously, there's some stuff where it's like, yeah, yeah, totally. We all agree on this. But were there some that people were like, uh-uh, no, over here. And so maybe was there any conflict or friction on any certain topics?  

[00:13:43] Unknown:

Maybe a little, but still the spirit of Satoshi would kinda   balance out, find a good good average,   sort of wording wise between those.   But since they're all just about Bitcoin and it wasn't,   at first, it wasn't about more, tangential   topics,   it was pretty,   yeah, for the most part, pretty homogeneous, about a lot of those answers. Then when we started to branch out to other topics that Bitcoin has care about, carnivory   or, seed oils,   a lot of the the as we just before we open sourced it to the whole community, we added a few other topics to it, like,   let's say a lot of the, controversy going on right now about, gender,   and, sexuality and   stuff, then that that started bringing different   angles to it. But now it's open source. People can, download it, from,   Hugging Face,   which is kinda the the GitHub for AI.  



[00:14:44] Unknown:

Hugging Face? Oh, I gotta learn about this. So Yeah.  

[00:14:47] Unknown:

So what is that? I can go download that. And where do I what would I do? Yeah. Well, yeah, you would search search for Spirit of Satoshi. You can download it onto your own machine, especially if you have a machine that can run,   your own instance of the spirit of satoshi, and then you can change it, train it,   build it up however you want it. It's completely open source now.   I and I've heard there are a few people doing this,   at least that that I've heard.  

[00:15:13] Unknown:

Okay. So I'm on spirit of I'm gonna bring this up because this is curious to me. So I'm on spirit of satoshi dot   dot ai. Dot ai. Yeah. So here, let's share the screen instead because I have a screen share I can do.  

[00:15:28] Unknown:

Alright. Come here, Val. Screen share, Spirit of Satoshi. Here we go.   Okay. So what do we do?   Yeah. So, actually, scroll down just a little on the screen. And then I'm gonna go over here.   Very good. Shut this thing up here for a second. Okay. Cool. Let's check it out. So we're gonna scroll down.  

[00:15:45] Unknown:

So we're on Spirit Spiritually now. Dot ai. Yep. Okay.  

[00:15:49] Unknown:

And how to get access. So here, it it tells about how to download it and, you know, on Hugging Face. So that link will take you straight to Hugging Face.   Now   I'm I'm personally not familiar with all the different parameters you you would need for to, like, the like, hardware wise to to run this. Other people that are smarter than me, know that kind of thing.   Okay. But I know you you need, like, a lot of GPU,   power and,   something better than the laptop I'm running right now, that's for sure,   to run it.  

[00:16:20] Unknown:

Okay. So it says you can try it out here,   and you'll get the best experience, or I can run it myself and download it. So let's go here. Yeah. Can I try something out?   What happens if I touch it? Oh, app. Okay. I don't wanna sign up for anything right now. So okay. I wanna play with this a little bit later because it seems super fun and,   yeah, I wanna check it out for sure. But I think yeah. It's so important. It was so funny. Earlier today, Jason, I was list I was on one of the,   you know, just one of the Twitter spaces, and Alex Jones was having an interview with Chat GPT 4. And,   you know, so he was asking you know, he had his, you know, producer and all that on on the   on the thing. And   he,   here, we're not gonna do that. Hold on. He,   was just asking all these different questions, of course, you know, and   I I wanna do something, I think, where, you know, because like exactly you said, if you ask one question to 5 different, you know, chatbots or AIs, you're going to get 5 different answers and sometimes vastly different. Like I don't know if you've been seeing   the stuff on,   that there's like, I think it's Alexa,   and she's saying that president Trump wasn't shot.  

And, you know, like yeah. So shit like that is happening out there. And I'm like, that seems, like, not accurate.   There's somebody who died,   and other people in addition to him. And so it's just kinda   like   it's so difficult to even know what to trust if we're playing around with all of these tools that we wanna go,   explore. And then obviously,   you know, you can dump all this data into things and then it can decide like, I'm gonna be the new Val or the new Jason or the new Satoshi,   but is it really accurate, you know, and it can go out there and do all this impostory type stuff.   So what are your thoughts on people,   you know, you know, protecting themselves against false information and who decides what is false information?  



[00:18:22] Unknown:

Yeah. It's gonna take a level of vigilance   that we've never seen before. I I don't think. Maybe we've seen it in a few amazing,   giants of humanity,   but it's gonna   require that on a,   at least a very large level.   That fortunately,   my one little glimmer of hope, little orange gleam of light in the distance,   is that Bitcoin is training people,   every day. Every time the price goes up and every time the price goes down and every time another block is found, it is training people more and more   not only to have diamond hands in that sense, but to have,   diamond like integrity   to,   to to really I actually so okay. I I I have kid you know, I said earlier, I have kids. We actually recently watched an episode of, the most recent episode of,   a cartoon show called the Tuttle Twins  

[00:19:15] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Okay.  

[00:19:16] Unknown:

On Angel Studios. Highly recommend it. There's they have a a Bitcoin episode, and I heard at,   Bitcoin 2024 that they are coming out with a second Bitcoin episode later on, this year,   late this year, maybe early next year, sometime this season. Anyway, and the most recent episode was actually about,   that they're about conspiracies, some real ones, Operation Northwoods, things like that. And some well, they they come up with a with a fictitious,   one for the show that sometimes there it's not quite that much.   But the, yeah, the kind of vigilance and care   and,   taking things that aren't too,   taking things not too literally. Now the Tuttle Twins, this is actually for the book I see that you're sharing here. If you go to angel.com,  

[00:20:02] Unknown:

would you angel.com?  

[00:20:04] Unknown:

Mhmm. It's for Angel Studios.   Yeah. We, we like them, and they,   they do a,   livestream   every time there's a new episode of the Tuttle Twins. They just livestream it on YouTube.  

[00:20:17] Unknown:

Okay. Got it. Cool. Cool. Cool. Oh, and the sound of hope. Okay. Cool. So,   yeah, this is super important, I think, too, you know, and, like, let's talk about our kids for a sec because Yeah. Obviously, they're you know,   as Whitney Houston's song, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.   If we're not   giving them appropriate and accurate information and teaching them critical thinking and teaching them   how to learn and how to question what they're reading and not just, Oh, well, somebody in authority said it. I'm supposed to just,   They're smarter than me, you know? It's like no.  

Question everything, especially now, you know. And so obviously, you're doing, you know, you and your super wife, I love that you called her that, and I love even in your bio that you submitted to me, that's what you referred to her as, so high 5, super wife.   You know, homeschooling is is difficult, and obviously, we all had to do that temporarily during COVID.   You know, how are you navigating, you know, the space out there in the the big world with your children and teaching them and, you know, how are you teaching them to think critically?  

[00:21:26] Unknown:

One thing I've always taught them is,   to never hold on to anything too tightly. Always be ready to eat your own beliefs.  

[00:21:34] Unknown:

Oh, I like it. Eat your own beliefs, dude. That's a good one. Okay. We got that's a good quote. Eat your beliefs.  

[00:21:43] Unknown:

Yeah.   It it that's that's really what humility comes down to. Like, was it Matt O'Dell who coined the phrase,   stay humble, stack stats? Yeah, Matt. Yep. Yeah. The easy part of that is stacking sats,   and huddling onto it. That's easy compared to staying humble. Yeah.   But   yeah. And and staying humble, though, that's the the you know, that's where the real work happens.   And, I was thinking there. Yeah. So just always be ready to be wrong.   Always be searching for more,   understanding or greater understanding, more knowledge.   And,   yeah, like I said, just never hold too tightly. Always hold things loosely.  



[00:22:23] Unknown:

Yeah. I think that's a really, really intelligent advice. And I think the humility part for all of us, you know, I mean, our egos are designed to protect us and to give us this, you know, okay, I can go out in the world and operate with this identity and this set of beliefs and how I'm going to do things.   But so when the ego gets questioned and gets   threatened   of where it built all of its worldviews and how it wants to go out and act,   it puts up a pretty darn good fight for most of us humans, you know? I don't think any of us are immune from being, you know, having that ego. And it does serve a purpose. It's not ego isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it has tempered, like you said,   with humility because how on earth can we even grow   as individuals,   as families, as communities, as societies if we're not willing to,   receive new information, digest it, synthesize it, and then put it into new action? And so I think right now, a lot of people,   because of,   you know, the I call them the powers that be, the kraken, the borg, you know, they wanna keep us divided   so that we're easier to control. And so, when you have that tribalism   of, you know, us versus them, you know, whether it's politics, whether it's religion, whether it's the seed oils, whatever, Bitcoin versus crypto, you   know, you can keep the masses   distracted   so that these powers that be are, you know, causing some real damage to the whole world, you know, whether it's the environment, whether it's systems, whether it's, you know, individuals.  

And so   I, you know, for me as a mom, too, I'm always trying to teach my kids, like,   you know, don't take everything at face value, you know, and understand   what the incentives are for a certain   behavior or a certain campaign or certain, you know, whether it's follow the money, follow the power, you know, who's going to benefit through most from this?   And it's tough, you know, because I think I sound like I'm a psychopath and I think I put that in the,   you know, in the email and the social post, but it's like when you feel like you're kind of this outsider in your family because you're a Bitcoiner   and then you keep learning all these other things   that layer on top of, you know, the big truth chest, right? And it's like it's really difficult to   it's not that you wanna stand your ground, like, and be obstinate, but you've gotta still just be like,   let's let's dive deeper into some questions here, you know, and not try to shove your opinion down someone's throat. But, like, let's keep asking why, why, why, you know, and get down to to the baseline of stuff. So is is your wife a Bitcoiner?  



[00:25:02] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Very much. Sorry. I wasn't family is a Bitcoiner. I have one of my immediate family. My wife and kids, yes.   Little story about that, actually.   So I discovered Bitcoin in 2015.   Mhmm. And,   then shortly thereafter,   became a FedEx delivery driver, so I got to listen to a lot of, Bitcoin podcasts and audiobooks.   You said you're cruising around? That's cool. Yes. Yeah. Just delivering packages and listening to the little little thing in my ear.   Got to listen to a lot of Guy Swan. Shout out to him. Shout out to Guy. Yeah. And a lot of other people. It's actually where I, you know, learn about Alex Fetzky, who whom I work for and everything. And so,   oh, man. But so many times while while working in there,   while working at FedEx, I felt so trapped. I wanted to to   do something more in the Bitcoin space. I was just receiving, receiving, and never giving.  

So if there's anyone hearing this right now who's in a similar position, my my heart goes out to you,   and,   you know, reach out to me. You know, she'll   Valerie here will share my my,   my details on my Twitter and Aust or anything. Reach out. Let's talk,   because I've been there. Oh, yeah. And it was   for, like, 4 years that I was there. Anyway, back back to talking about my wife, though,   I was going down the Bitcoin rabbit hole and only occasionally sharing certain, like, really big revelations with my wife. I   first got into Bitcoin because I just finished, like, 2 days before I started going to like, learning about Bitcoin, I finished listening to the audiobook of, The Creature from Jekyll Island.  



[00:26:33] Unknown:

Okay. And yeah. So Tell people what it's about if you don't know if if for folks who don't know what that's about.  

[00:26:39] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Right before oh, sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Before I start that. So The Creature from Jekyll Island is,   all about the the story of the creation of the Federal Reserve   and what the Federal Reserve does, how it actually works, what the effects of it are, and what fiat money is, all those things. It I have I've been meaning to listen to it again. It's been 9 years or so since I listened to it. So,   Yeah. So that's a that's the general gist of it. But I remember when I finished listening to it, I just had this mind blown moment or probably while I was listening to it. Like, this is the cause of all these problems, like war and poverty and crime and corruption in not just our government in the United States, but   virtually all governments.  

That yeah. It all all stems from this fiat money. And so then I really got on the the end of fed train,   for a while and still kind of am.   And then   so I knew what was what was bad and what needed to be removed. I didn't know what to replace it with. I was like, I don't know. Force a gold standard on everybody again. I don't know. 2 days, literally, 2 days after I finished,   listening to that, I stumbled on a short little article on marketwatch.com   all about Bitcoin. It's a really short little article.   And, I thought it was a scam at first. I thought it was something kinda like a new, a Nigerian prince thing, but I was wondering why are they talking about that on here? So then I hit YouTube and and searched for other websites and stuff. Started listening to Andres Noxonopoulos,   and went down the rabbit hole. And about a week and a half or so after that, week and a half, two weeks, I was like, this is the answer. This is what we replaced the fiat system with. So that was the reason why I got into Bitcoin for more of those political reasons. And I'll get back to talking about my wife in a minute here, but I was telling her those kinds of things, and she was totally on board. She's like, oh, yeah. That that completely makes sense.  

Then when I,   read or listened to the Bitcoin standard while I was a FedEx delivery driver,   I got my new reason for,   for loving Bitcoin. And that was, when I learned all about time preference.   I I love the idea of, you know, personal betterment of us, you know, trying to become not just, you know,   what what's it called again?   Like self improvement. Not like just kinda general self improvement. Those can be nice, but a lot of those just kinda feel good, but not really don't really produce a lot of fruits. But this seemed really good at the heart of it. And here we had Bitcoin that could just naturally teach people to improve in this way.   And so that became my my new reason to really love Bitcoin. So I kinda came for the way it it,   destroys   evil from the outside in, and then I stayed for the way it promotes good from the inside out.  



[00:29:20] Unknown:

Oh, man. I got all these good quotes from you, brother. This is gonna be so good. You're welcome.   So Yeah. But it's true. Right? And and then I think, you know, a lot of people and this is something, you know, that I speak about with you know, to me, I think Bitcoin is the ultimate tool for peace.   People are like, what do you mean? What does that it's like if you connect the dots and keep getting down to, again, to what's the fundamental thing that we all share. It's time, and we have to have money. And if we're building our societies   on this monopoly money, we're never gonna, like, really be able to grow a fruitful   life, you know, and so people are constantly have mental health issues. We're stressed out to the max because   of inflation, AKA   paper money print, you know, fiat money printing. And so,   when you start to understand, you can connect the dots like, Wow, the family unit is disintegrating   because   now we have to have 2 earner households, maybe 2a half, 3 shifts, you know? And so the kids are not seeing the parents. Guess what? Well, they're out there having their own version of life called, Let's go have sex, do drugs, get into trouble,   not feel like there's, you know, abundance in the world. And so that leads to generational trauma. That leads to generational mental, spiritual, physical health issues. And so   that in and of itself, just when I kinda started realizing that, I was like, Oh,   it is.  

Money is not evil. It's just this type of money that is benefiting the few who are close to the money printers. And so this is something that, you know, when they showed I think we did it was like a 40% money print during COVID and that's when I started getting into Bitcoin. And I'm like, I'm sorry.   What?   That can't be mathematically correct. Like, how could that happen and all the prices are gonna go up and all this crazy stuff? And so, that just seemed like you just stole all my purchasing power at the stroke   of a keystroke, you know? And I'm like, That's theft. You know? Like I worked hard and everybody worked hard for their money. And so, if you're holding those things that they inflate out of nowhere,   how on earth can you trust that system to take care of you and your family for generations to to come. And so that put a lot of fear inside of me, you know?  

Let's talk about Or just or real quick. Yeah. So let me finish finish that story just real quick there. So Oh, yeah. Because we wanna talk about your wife. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, super wife. No. No. No. You're good.  

[00:31:46] Unknown:

Yeah. And so I go home a lot of times when I have these mind blowing moments, and, my wife and I would talk till midnight or beyond and and just,   you know, about these kind of things, and she would listen politely. She's she's a a quieter person, than I am anyway. But when she, you know, she speaks her mind and she really means it then, but she kind of stays more reserved for a while.   Then,   the moment of truth happened in March of 2020.   Anyone who's been in bitcoin for longer than that will know what I'm talking about immediately. There was a huge crash.   Bitcoin's price went from, like, 9,000 something to 4,000 something. I think in some exchanges, like, the high 3,000.  

It was it was a   there's a bloodbath in the exchanges.   I I wasn't,   selling or anything. I was busy driving a FedEx and,   but I found out about that that day and,   later on was listening to a lot of podcasts with people commentating about it, but I felt pretty   scared.   Not scared. Just nervous. I was pretty nervous especially to bring it up with, with my wife because,   we've we're not traders. We don't trade it at all. We,   we're, you know, we've been hodlers for, you know, since 2015 or so.   And so   I,   yeah, I brought it up with her just saying, hey. There's this, like, you know, this this happened today. And I was, yeah, I was nervous about her reaction to it.   And I remember she's kinda looking down for a moment. She goes,   okay.  

So what you're saying is we can buy more now. I knew it. I got this feeling super wife was gonna say that. Yeah. And I was like, I love you so much. Yay.   We're gonna be together forever and ever no matter what.   But yeah. Before then, I was pretty sure she got it, that she she had   that saw the orange pill. But,   that was the moment when I I was like, oh, yeah. I I like, that's when I really knew it. Oh, that's genius.  

[00:33:47] Unknown:

I love that so much, dude. That's oh my god. I love it. Spetsky.  

[00:33:54] Unknown:

Yeah. I have red smiling face, red smiling face. Yay, Spetsky. I love your red smiling face emojis.  

[00:34:05] Unknown:

Oh my god. I love it.   Hey, so I wanna talk about this though. This is something that, you know, let's segue into this because you were talking about folks reaching out to you who are might be, you know, feeling that they're they're missing their purpose or might be not on on target with that in life. So let's talk about your your handle, geeky guy, and let's talk about your ikiguy, because this is something that I'm a firm believer in,   and I when I do work with people, I have them run through this. And so tell me about, like, why did you choose this as your your,   your handle, and what's your Ikigai?  



[00:34:40] Unknown:

So, yeah, I'll explain Ikigai as well.   I although I've been told that the the western understanding of it is different from the original,   more eastern understanding, but, like, it's slightly different in some nuanced ways. But,   when I was a FedEx delivery driver and just listening to podcast after podcast, I learned about Iki Iki Guy.   It is basically   the,   a four way combination, let's see if I remember them all, of,   what what you're good at,   what the world needs,   what you, like to do, and what the world is willing to be for.   Yeah.  

And   I oh, man.   I have bounced around to a lot of different jobs before.   Some of them, like, the reason why, I left them or except for 1. There's only 1 early on that I got, fired for.   And I know I'm saying this with Stetsky online. Right? But one long time ago back in,   2006,   or sorry, 7, 2007,   that I got, fired for, because there's a coworker who lied about me, and I worked there for, like, 3 months. And they're like, yeah. Let   let yeah. Yeah. And I was taking care of,   people who,   were born with mental handicaps and needed, like, a an someone to stay in their home with them and help them out.   But I was bouncing around different jobs because I didn't know what I wanted to do, like, what career I would do. I've,   I've done landscaping. I did that job that I mentioned there. I've worked in grocery stores. I've been FedEx delivery driver. I've done   so many different jobs,   and, never really found something that I could really stick with and be like, this is what I wanna do. This is my career.  

It was always something that,   yeah, I just would pay the bills.   I would leave those jobs   for various different reasons. For example, at FedEx, I started getting these really terrible headaches here on the side of my head, either side.   They're called cluster headaches.   They're similar to,   migraines, but just over a small area about that big on the side of my head.   I talked to several doctors. Everyone told me and everywhere our research also said that,   no one knows what causes them, but they happen to be the most common among white males between the ages of 25 and 40. Wow.   So,   yeah, it made it so I couldn't sleep and so made it so I couldn't safely drive,   for FedEx, and so that's why I had to say,   okay. I gotta leave. I gotta go do something else.  

And that was late 2021   when I did that. Oh, perfect. Got it. Ikigai right here.   So   when I,   yeah, when I learned about ikigai,   I knew, okay, what's something I love most? Well, I was like, well, Bitcoin. I I and,   what I love to do about it, I love to teach people about it.   In 2018,   when I was delivering for FedEx and I was,   I just felt like I was stuck in an eggshell and just wanted to just burst out of it,   I got creative. I'm like, well, what can I do with with what I, have right now? Like, well, during my free time, during when I went at home or something,   I can so I was on this website called mewe, m e w e. It's kind of a it's a social media platform, a little bit like Parler and Gab,   where they promise they're not going to to censor you and stuff,   not decentralized in the slightest,   or anything like that,   and built very similar to Facebook. Well, I created a group on there, all about Bitcoin,   where I would post news, I would answer people's questions.  

I tried to make it this like open welcoming community   where people could chat on there and post,   you know, comments and things like that,   where I could answer people's questions about Bitcoin. And then other people got on there who also knew a lot a lot about Bitcoin, and, they would also help me to,   you know,   share   we we'd share, like, hey. I really like this wallet. You should check this out, or   maybe our our thoughts about the market, any anything like that.   And, so I was able to be like, okay. This is definitely a good passion. This is a you know, I I love this, and I'm good at it. I'm good at teaching people about Bitcoin,   and the world definitely needs it, but how in the world can I get paid for it? So I got 3 out of 4.  

And so I knew what I wanted my Ikigai to be. It could be something in Bitcoin where I could be,   like, yeah, teaching people about it. But later, much later, I had to ask my myself the question, why don't I wanna teach people Yeah. I loved that. Bitcoin.   And,   yeah, and it came down to, well, I wanna help people get on on the Bitcoin standard, but again, why do I want that?   I want people to lower their time preference,   on their own, you know,   at their own pace because that, you know, that helps to build a better world. That helps to,   make civilization   work,   and, and and, you know, work can get fixed a lot better than how it has been.  

And,   trying to think here. How how else can I put this?   I, yeah, I I those lives.   Nice. Well, what I said earlier about also feeling trapped,   and I I wanted to reach out and communicate with people,   and   I I just felt so stuck within the walls, the confines of my my delivery truck.   I tried talking to people at work about it, like, when we're packing up our trucks early in the morning. I tried even talking to some people on my route about it. Sometimes I got in converse conversations with them and got all the typical normie answers from them.   And, yeah, I didn't I mean, I was trying to, like, you know, evangelize and recruit people into into Bitcoin and stuff, and it just didn't work at all.  

Well,   the group, though, that I created online, that helped to kind of scratch that itch, you could say.   Well, then when I left FedEx and I was looking for work, I, also spent spent that time, like, well, I'm not working a full time job right now, and while I'm looking for something else to do, I'll go ahead and start a local meetup. Well, for 1st, actually, I looked for a local meetup that I could join.   Found one that was very crypto focused that was talking about, okay, which, which crypto should you jump into,   in order to, you know, make make some more bucks and then sell later. So a lot of, like, DeFi and,   just all all those kind of things. So,   went to one of their meetings or part of them part of it before, I was like, nope. Them left partway through.  

And so I created my own, meetup. That was a, you know, very Bitcoin only, Bitcoin maximalist focused. Other people are welcome to join, but the discussions are gonna just focus on Bitcoin,   and the reasons why Bitcoin only.   And, so, yeah, started that in late 2021. Been doing that ever since, once a month, and now we got a good group there.   And what I realized early on was I was, to put it in a really simple term, I was, looking for friends. I was looking for people to connect with, people I was looking for my tribe.  

[00:41:48] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:41:50] Unknown:

Well,   after doing that for a little bit, for just a few months,   then I found this is all leading to that last bottom circle there, what what you can be paid for. Mhmm.   I had heard about this,   this one app called Noah.   The it's a Bitcoin wallet. They're, really aiming for a lot of people, like, they like   to their their main demographic they're kinda aiming for are people in developing countries, to be able to get on to Bitcoin in a really good easy way, use on chain and lightning. It's my understanding they're also using some stablecoins now.   But,   they were looking for volunteers to come to Bitcoin 2022,   And,   I I, you know, I volunteered, and they said, yeah, you will pay for your ticket, and they come down there to Miami.  

So I went and did that and worked at their, booth and as as a volunteer, and they said they came to me afterwards and said, hey. We're looking for a community manager. We'd like to hire you. So, like, yeah, didn't need to even put in a a resume or anything. They they saw me work there at the booth, and they're like, hey. We like you. We think you'd be a good fit.   And so what I ended up doing as a community manager for Noah was a lot of teaching people about Bitcoin.   And that was when I learned that, like, okay. This is close to my ikigai,   but,   but not exactly. Like, I'm getting closer and closer.  

What actually I learned since then is, yeah, bringing people together in communities.   Like, I was doing that here in Chattanooga.   And,   and   so kind of, I guess, a blend of people, like, getting connections,   with people network not just like networking for the sake of networking, but,   really getting that   relationship   with people,   with something yeah. With with a a Bitcoin standard, which includes that, like I said, that that diamond integrity   and,   connecting with other people who   who really value   goodness, who value truth, who want   are are, yeah, want humility. They want,   they wanna better themselves,   no matter how hard it is. Well, maybe not no matter how hard it is, but they're working on that. They're working to get to that point.  

And, Yeah. And so I found out that that is my geeky guy. And I I I call myself geeky guy, because I I I would geek out about Bitcoin and could not stop talking about it for the longest time. So I was like, I'm I'm   such a geek, and what I geek out about is my ikigai. So I'll put that together and searched on Twitter and and other places, and I was like, this this username isn't taken.   So so I took it.  

[00:44:21] Unknown:

I love it. As soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, dude. We are totally talking about this.   I think this is so cool, and I love you know,   obviously, you did some proof of work with just showing up to volunteer because you wanted to be a part of it. And then, you know, just by doing, you got to be seen for your your gifts. You know? And now you're you know, obviously, you're you're with Stellantis, and that's obviously bringing people together and bringing Bitcoiners together all over the world. So you're clearly in your your zone, your flow, you know? You're doing you're living your truth and your purpose. I love it. What would you say to people out there,   know, because I'm somebody who has, you know, gone through numerous times in my life where I felt completely stuck,   completely trapped.  

A couple of times, I felt, unfortunately,   quite hopeless,   to the point of very dangerous situations happening and almost dying. What would you say to people who are,   who might be struggling   right now to find their purpose, to find a place? You know, because like you said, it's going through these top three circles,   that's not that you can figure that out, but it's this one. What can we get paid for? Because,   you know, yeah, we can go get paid for a lot of things, but can we get paid for things that are gonna overlap with these three things? What would you say to people who are   who are really suffering right now and struggling?  



[00:45:44] Unknown:

1st, I wanna say I've been there too.   Not just in my,   like, yeah, in my teen years, middle school and high school,   same kind of dangerous situations.   And many times since then, even after having after getting married and even after having kids,   you'd think   that,   you know, having all these little people depending on me and loving me to death,   that   the idea of death wouldn't be something that I would long for.   But there's this   there's   this really,   overlooked   real pandemic in our society,   and that is this   tendency for people to think that that the world would be better without them.   I remember   growing up thinking that well, not just thinking, I was being inundated with the idea that people were saying, oh, people who   ideate about suicide or things like that,   they're they're just being selfish because they're not considering how other people would miss them and stuff.  

But the reality and maybe those people do exist. I don't know. But reality for me and many people I've known is   they   they honestly believe   that   other people, their spouse, their parents, their siblings, their own children,   would eventually get over it and realize, you know what?   We're actually better off without that guy or without that girl.   I've I've learned through hard experience that that is not the case. That's absolutely not true.   But,   wow, it's a dark place to be, and I've been there many, many times.   My wife helped me through that a lot. God helped me through that a lot.  

It was there was no,   one,   you know, quick solution   to that.   One thing that I discovered   only recently, actually, the last couple of months, was that when I'm,   when I   don't let myself analyze myself   so much. When I'm moving forward,   building,   getting stuff done, but not for the sake of just getting stuff done.   I don't wanna become a workaholic,   but,   oh, when I'm   okay. There's this thing I noticed many, many years ago when I would mow the lawn,   as a teenager at my parents' house, then, I got my own house.   I would see the this messy lawn with all this long grass.   And, you know, I just kinda notice it, whatever, and then I start mowing the lawn. And then I would take a look over my shoulder afterwards as I'm putting the lawnmower away at this pristine   not to to my own horn or anything, but nice even lines and everything like that.  

And it looks really, really nice.   And I'm like, oh, I just feel so so good about that. Not so good about myself. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm so great. I'm a great lawnmower. No. But just   looking at the difference.   The same thing if I see someone who   was struggling in their marriage and they were also struggling with drug addiction, maybe pornography addiction or something like that, and I'm their friend and I boost them up and I just help them out a little bit. I'm just there. I'm not doing it. They're the ones doing the work, going through that change, but I get to see the before and after with my own eyes. That's the point I'm trying to get to. I see that before and after, and there's just this magical feeling that, like a like shining a light in a dark place or lighting a fire in a cold place or something, it just chases that dark feeling away   of, oh, we can be everyone else would be better off without you.  

Enough of that   over time,   can start to have a permanent effect on,   on that that negative feeling, that voice in the back of our head saying, everyone else would just be better off without you.   And,   so I guess yep. Keeping your eyes open, looking for needs, looking for for the long grass around you that needs to be mowed,   metaphorically and maybe literally.   Looking for other people that that need help,   and connecting with them,   anything like that, just any need like that, and getting to work.   And get to a point where you are, yeah, maybe not workaholic and neglecting your kids and neglecting other things about life, like neglecting sleep. No. That's not what I mean. There's a midway point, though, between that and just kinda, you know, lazing about and well, not not lazy about, being lazy. That's not the the right word, but feeling sorry for yourself and and just feeling hopeless.   I don't say feeling sorry for yourself as a, like a, you know, I don't mean to be judging and talking negatively about people like that,   because I've been there so many times. But there's a midway point where you are working hard enough that you don't have time   to be thinking about yourself. You don't have time to be thinking about if you're messing up.  

You don't have time to,   yeah, to be wondering,   yeah, is this actually a better way of doing it? You can think about those things later when you're getting ready for bed at night or something like that. But,   when you're actually working,   focus and work on that.   Work on your craft, build something,   create something new, find something that other people might like that that, or that and that you think   the the world would benefit from.   Then   so that, like, those first three circles, those top three circles on that on that chart,   and then offer that to people at first for free.  

And then yeah. There it is again.   Yeah. And then as people notice that and as people know they know that they need that,   at least it worked out for me. This isn't a one size fits all solution. This is just me rambling right now.   They'll they'll notice that and offer they'll say, hey. You know, we're looking for someone who can do this.   And,   yeah. And then you won't get so bogged down,   with yourself.   I've gone through   a lot of,   feelings of,   what's it called? Imposter syndrome.   And every time it's because yeah.   Every time I have, it's because,   I'm thinking too much,   about my own self, about my own weaknesses. I'm,   it's like if you were writing   the first analogy I saw, if you're writing something down on a piece of paper, normally you're looking at what you're writing. But imagine if instead you're looking at your hand, you're looking at the way you're holding the pen,   and thinking about how fast you're writing the words. You're not actually thinking about the words you're writing. That seems nonsensical, but so many of us do that,   in our lives. We are considering   while we're doing the work, we're thinking about how well we're doing that work.  

I I still struggle with this daily, but if I'm working fast enough, if I'm working,   if I'm just   zoned in on on it enough, then I don't have time to think about what my hand is doing. I'm thinking too much about the words that I'm writing,   the actual job at hand. And that can work that can be for your job. It can be just when you're spending time with your kids. It can be at church. It can be at school,   just life in general and having that kind of focus.   And then okay. It can help just change change that. And then at the end of the day, you look back and see all all that you did and wonder, woah. How do I do all that? And then you get nice another nice little boost. And like I said, this is a gradual thing. Well Yeah. It's a gradual and then sudden thing, you might say. Totally.   Yeah. At least I hope it's sudden someday.  



[00:53:05] Unknown:

Okay. I had no idea our conversation was gonna go in this direction. So first of all,   I'm so grateful that you're here,   and I'm so happy that that   that you shared your vulnerability and your truth. And this is something that I went through myself. And   again, you think like, Oh, I have kids. I have people that I'm responsible for that love me. And I went through the same process. My mind was playing major tricks on me,   and I thought people would be better off without me. It'd just be easier not to have this messy person around, you know? And And,   I mean, gosh, I'm so glad that   we were failures   in these departments, you know, like that we were wrong.  

I mean, it takes so much so much,   so much courage   to talk about our stories, you know, and share our truth. But, you know, there's so much shame and stigma out there   with, you know, not having it together and looking at social media or the other things that are happening in the world and you think like, Okay, well, this person's doing this and I'm over here.   I must really suck, or whatever it is that we're thinking in our heads.   And certainly, the young people are   polluted constantly with, you know, your butt's supposed to look this way and you're supposed to have a Ferrari and, you know, all the things that are just false. And so,   you know, then you go through life having this comparisonitis   of where you're supposed to be and you're not connecting with God, you're not connecting with that divine life force that gives you everything,   and you're thinking you have to go do it yourself when your ego plays these tricks. And so,   so I think it's really, really brave and powerful for you to have shared that. And   I'm just gonna plug it right now because I'm starting a project that was gifted to me by God 8 years ago called Snap Goes the Human.  

And it was originally Snap Goes the Mommy and I was like, Oh, I'll just tell my story about falling apart and having my midlife crisis and suicide and alcohol   and all the shit, sex, everything, divorce.   And then I just recognized. I was like, you know, this isn't   my story. There's millions of stories out there.   And the more that we can share   our own unique stories of the before, during, and after   of a breakdown, of a snap, of of of falling apart and losing certain things in our lives,   it's like then we don't feel so alone.   We don't feel so disconnected. We feel more like, wow, I can relate with that person, or   that happened to her? Like, wait a minute. He's a CEO or that person's, you know, a doctor. How could this happen to these status type people? And, like,   with enough   punches   back to back to back to back. And if you're not having enough time to get up between these punches, you know, whether they're emotional, whether they're financial, whether something's going on with your health, any of it, you know,   if you're caring for a loved one,   if you don't have time to get up between the punches, like, you're staying down on that mat,   you know? And so, it's so important to have,   you know, like you said, the daily practice and the reflection of looking back at like, Wow, look at those nice rows I just did and celebrating something, this little before and after. And it may not be that you built a sky scraper today,   but you did something,   you know? And   microdosing yourself with celebrations, I think, is so, so important because   we forget to because we're stuck in that comparison cycle.  

And instead of really acknowledging like, Wow, God was with me today and high five, God, you know, all glory. And and it's like,   oh, right. Okay. I just have to get back to that, and then I'm gonna be okay. And so   so, you know, I'm doing this this story collection anonymously   because I wanna make sure that people,   you know, if they do wish to tell their truth about anything, whether it was spousal abuse, whether it was a bankruptcy, whether it was, you know, porn addiction, like you said, anything,   telling stories in a place where you don't feel like you have to self censor,   you know, is gonna be very important, I think. I was I was delivered a cease and desist letter from   an attorney because I I did an episode on with a woman who used Bitcoin to escape a domestic violence situation,   And she wanted to share her story and show her face. And, of course, her ex was like, uh-uh. And get you don't get to talk about this. And so I was like, well, I guess maybe we should have all these stories collected anonymously   and then put them out there sort of like chicken soup for the soul. And then we'll do lightning splits for people so we can teach Bitcoin at the same time as we're sharing these these potent stories. You know? And so,   so I'd invite you or anybody listening, you know, check it out if you have stories to tell. This will be a very long term ongoing project, kind of like Chicken Soup for the Soul is. And,   and then, you know, of course, we're we're donating portion of the profits and everything to different charities that are supporting mental health or domestic violence and, you know, nature regeneration, all the things that, you know, we wanna do to make the world,   the best place possible for our children. And so,   I'm just I'm so I'm so fucking happy you're here.  

Like,  

[00:58:15] Unknown:

seriously. You. You know what? You did it. Like, tell that. I think people need to say that to each other more often. I'm grateful you exist, Valerie. I'm grateful, that it,   you know, that you started this show and,   and,   the full disclosure actually of, like, oh, half hour before,   we, got on this call, I was like, okay. Well, let me re familiar I've seen some of your podcast episodes. It's been a little while. Let me just re familiarize with myself with how she does things and stuff,   and I saw the most recent,   most recent video all about,   Snap Goes the Human.  

Oh, cool. Okay. Good. So that was not back in my mind when I was mentioning stuff earlier. I didn't intend to to go into that direction, though, but it just happened that way.   But actually, I was also gonna say that I believe that there's a connection. It took me a while to to explain it probably. There's a connection between   this,   widespread depression,   wise widespread,   beliefs that,   that will never be good enough, beliefs that,   that everyone else would be better off without us. There's a connection between that and the fiat system, like the fiat and money system. Yep.   Yeah.  

And, you know, ties in the fiat money system ties into the to fiat   schooling and fiat   religion   and fiat,   you name it,   if you got everything, you got food and all that.   And,   yeah, but then like people say, Bitcoin fixes this. It's not a a one step. There there are a few other steps in there about Bitcoin fixing different things that then lead us to,   to heal from,   these, these ways that we've snapped   before.   But,   so it is a   gradual process for everyone,   but Bitcoin is is doing it. Bitcoin's fixing it, by first fixing us.  

[01:00:05] Unknown:

It is. And and I think it's so important to to note, you know,   Bitcoin is just a tool, you know? And it's not, Oh, I just took some magic pill and now I'm not depressed and now I'm reprogrammed to be in an abundance mindset and my nervous system and chemicals are all reset just because I took the orange pill. No. You have to be dedicated and   have that   lower time preference and put the work in every day   to, you know, be aware of yourself, be aware of all the ways that your mind is constantly   messing with you, you know? And,   you know, if we are not in charge of that and we're not using   the love of God every day in our practices,   it's going to be easy to get off track,   you know? And so it's like it's a holistic approach, I think, you know, and obviously, Bitcoin is is one of the most important tools, I think, that we can integrate in our society.  

But individually,   our practices,   you know, how you pray and how you meditate and how you connect with your family and how you talk to yourself are going to be different than me, but we still both need to, you know, whatever that practice is, like, that's going to be, that's our saviors, you know, and that's how we're going to stay strong and healthy and fortified,   in all of these areas. And so,   yeah, this is, wow,   this turned out to be a hell of a conversation.   I mean, they all are. Every guest, I'm always just blown away, You know? But I'm just like, wow. This is this is thank you for being so brave and vulnerable. That's that's just badass.   Well, it does say bring badass Bitcoiners together, which is what you're doing.  

But, see, if you want, you could we could segue it out a little bit. We haven't talked much about, I talked about Atlantis, I guess, a little while ago, early on. But Let's pull it up. I'm gonna pull up Sutlantis, and then we'll we'll wrap it up here in a couple of minutes. So let's let's pull back up Sutlantis. I'm gonna pull up the website, and we'll share.   I want I want people to see what, you know, how Setlantis can help their, you know, world be a more happier place.   Yeah. Okay. Here we go. So go here, Setlantis.   Okay. So here's the the home screen of Setlantis.  

So, yeah, why don't you tell everybody kinda like the concept and, you know, I'll click a couple of buttons and you guys can show us or, you know, I can show them.  

[01:02:24] Unknown:

So like I said earlier, it's, yeah, it's kind of mixture of,   the social aspects of, like, Facebook with Facebook Groups and stuff,   with the   world connectiveness, I guess, of things like Nomad List and TripAdvisor.   So,   actually, go and search in the search bar. Let me show you a really good example of the city.   Search Vancouver.   So in Vancouver,   British Columbia.   So you search the city. Let's say you wanted to go visit Vancouver.   It has a little about blurb right there.   You can see the people that are in there. Now the people with little crown   badge next to them there, those are the ambassadors.  

So ambassadors Oh, got it. Okay. Yeah. They are people who know their city really well.   They, are,   leaving their community,   especially like in with Bitcoin.   I think there's they're natural born leaders and people who wanna,   just do something to to help out, help bring people together.   And so those are the go to people. If you're like, hey. I'm gonna be visiting. I need a a a good hotel and a good restaurant, and where where do you recommend I go?   What what you're looking at now is the feed.   Now remember, Stellantis is a Nostril client. And so,   you know, it it has you know, it's built on top of Nostril and all these posts, you can also find them on things like Primal,   or Amethyst.  

But these are all ones that either if someone posts it through,   this page, the Vancouver page, they'll show up here on this page and not on any of the other pages,   and then,   but then you can also find that same post on other or through other,   Nostril clients.  

[01:04:03] Unknown:

So let's say just for example, I just wanna make sure I get it. Like, so let's say artist post this thing here 3 months ago, whatever. This is a cool picture.   If if I go to his feed in, let's say, Primal, it's all it's gonna also be there? Yep. That picture, the text underneath it. Got it. Okay. That's very cool. And then all this stuff here the merchants, like, let's talk about the merchant stuff too. What tell me about this. Bitcoin's accepted here. This is so cool. So are you guys working with BTC Maps?  

[01:04:30] Unknown:

Well, we are  

[01:04:32] Unknown:

With Nathan? I'm sorry? And yeah. Oh, so so,  

[01:04:36] Unknown:

we're working on putting together,   a a lot of, different,   merchants, lot of different locations based on lots of different metrics and not just,   if Bitcoin's accepted.   There are a few,   not all of them that accept Bitcoin are on this map yet.   But,   we are we're putting together a bunch of different locations that, we believe would appeal to Bitcoiners even if they don't accept Bitcoin.   So such as if they accept Bitcoin or maybe they have a a carnivore menu or they advertise that they're seed oil free, things like that.   And then they are then, we're getting suggestions, recommendations from the ambassadors since they are people on the ground, you know, right there who who know the city really well, who are like, oh, stay away from that diner and I'll go to this place. This this is legit. This one's great.  

And putting all those on the map.   It's still very much a work in progress, but,   so expect more merchants there on the map and,   and being able to, like, sort through them better.   Then, yeah, these are scores   that   have come from our ambassadors as well as, a lot of different sources online   where,   if someone wants to just get a good snapshot of what's good about the city and what's not so good about the city,   and, you know, maybe they're considering moving there. Maybe they're just considering a weekend visit.   Then here's all the this information that they can,   look through and,  

[01:06:01] Unknown:

decide what matters to them. Are you able like, I don't know if you guys have have thought about this or, you know, maybe it's somewhere else. And I know I know this is a brand new work in project kinda or   process kinda thing. You know how, like, you can if I had if I wanted to pick these 3 cities and compare them and then compare all of those metrics, that would be really valuable for me as a   as a user.   To do a side by side comparison? Yeah. Just like if I were comparing, you know, 3 Apple, you know, laptops, I can see what features they have. And then, you know, again, if you're looking at the Vancouver thing,   you know, like, any of the the the segments of the stats.  

Right? Like, I would I would wanna know all of these next to each other so then I could have a a,   oh, yeah. Cost of living is not so great here compared to, you know, Cincinnati   or whatever.   And then I could have, you know, kind of evaluate   side by side. Like, that would be a cool feature. Yeah. That's a really cool feature. Listening, get that get that down, brother.  

[01:07:01] Unknown:

One, one thing that we we are planning is, creating different ways that you can sort those those cities. And we have some ways of doing that now, but we're gonna create more.   And so that could be one thing, like,  

[01:07:11] Unknown:

sort according to the Bitcoin community. So you see the ones that have the best Bitcoin community right up there at the top. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one for sure. But, yeah, I think sorting is good and then a compare feature, I think, would be super   cool too. And then as far as the social layer,   you know, like is it gonna be something where,   you know, we've got obviously Orange Pill app,   where, you know, you show up to a new city or wherever you are, and it'll kind of just show, like, if people want to disclose their location, like, hey, I'm visiting Detroit this week. Who's who's here? You know, are you gonna have anything like that where we can,   you know, meet new people?  



[01:07:49] Unknown:

Mhmm. So there's already the feed where people can make posts and then people can comment on it. But also,   we are planning on on, adding,   chat groups to it and the ability to DM people and all. Yep.   If you go into, one of the cities again actually, go and search look up my city, Chattanooga.   Just c h e t t, and then it should come up. K. There it is.   Alright. And then if you go to the events tab   Events. Up there. Yeah. Events.   So here's where you can see events already planned out, the the event for October.   But, yeah, you can click on those and there's all the event information for our next meetup.  



[01:08:26] Unknown:

Awesome.  

[01:08:27] Unknown:

That people can RSVP,   and,   later, they'll be or, yeah, we'll be able to, like, you know, chat and comment and and things in there.   But that's another   way that people can use Atlantis for not just Bitcoin related,   events, but any event at all. In fact, actually, if you click go back, now click past events   right there, you'll see that one that says Chia.   That was one I set up. Now if you click on it, it doesn't open. We're working on that, but   but   that was an event that I created because there was an a back to school party that is the CHIA stands for the Catoosa or Catoosa County, Georgia. Catoosa Home Education Association that my wife is actually like I said earlier, super wife. She's actually the vice president of CHIA.   Oh, nice. Yeah. And so she said to me, could you put this on set, Lantus? I'm like, yes, dear. I can.  



[01:09:22] Unknown:

Oh, that's awesome. And then are you guys gonna put, like, things that you can tag? So just like on Meetup, if I wanna look up, you know, a psychedelic meetup or, you know, salsa dancing meetup or whatever, are you gonna be able to search for certain tags of,   of things for your events?  

[01:09:40] Unknown:

Yeah. Be able to search key terms, keywords for different events. Awesome. And be able to sort them because, yeah, once there's, like, a lot of events on there, then we'll need something like that for sure. Yeah. That'll take that that'll make it really cool. Oh, my god. This is so great. I'm so stoked to to you guys are doing this, and I'm so glad Alex,  

[01:09:56] Unknown:

introduced you to VTU, you to me.   Yeah. It's so cool. Isn't it neat? Like, I think, you know,   I've I've been in a lot of different industries, you know,   and   I've never been in this community,   a space where it's just so, like, you gotta meet this person. Check this you know, go go over here. You know, everybody's so cool with, like,   wanting to connect each other, you   know, and it's not just self serving, like, hey, promote my thing. You know, sometime I mean, yeah, I know I'm talking about Satlantis Svetzky, which I love Satlantis, so, of course, I'll do that. But but he would have done that he would have done this anyway, you know? So it just kinda like, I don't know. I just think it's like I've never encountered   so many people who want everybody to win.  

You know? It's it's like it's a big win win   philosophy   of of the way that I keep meeting all these wonderful people. I'm like, dang. And we're all so different   too. You know? But we do have a lot of common denominators of, we love freedom. We love love. We love each other. We love, you know,   our privacy.   Yeah. You know? But God knows that I don't think we have that anymore.  

[01:11:03] Unknown:

You just reminded me of that,   for years growing up, I was, you know, some people are militant atheist. I was a, I guess, militant theist,   where I would,   fight online and in person,   with people who,   you know, were were atheists or whatever.   And then then I didn't for a while. I just kinda I just kinda phased out of that. Then I discovered Bitcoin.   Then there was a a person on that that group I had talked about before, MiWi,   who, the conversation just there's just a conversation going on one of the on a post on in the comments, and he mentioned, he was like, well, I strongly believe there there isn't a God. I'm a very, very strong atheist. And I realized something when that happened. I was like, I don't care   that that he is. Like, we're on the same side when it comes to freedom, when it comes to humanity.  

And I was just I've I never thought of it before or for years. I never really considered it.   And I was like,   I love this guy. He you know, great Bitcoiner, great, you know, Bitcoin Maxi.   And, yeah, sure. I hope he finds God one day.   But,   that was, like, I I saw the person beyond all that. I saw this is still a good person,   and, he he values truth. He values integrity and humility and all those things that I value. I'm like, why wouldn't I like him? So, that's, I've seen that kind of thing. All these   barriers, all these artificial, dare I say, fiat barriers   are just crumbling down between people.  



[01:12:31] Unknown:

Yeah. It's really, really it's   it's remarkable. I'm I'm so excited to see what happens with, you know, the generation of kids that you're raising, you know, that are getting brought up on a Bitcoin standard, and how are they gonna be, you know, the new leaders of the world in the next 20 years. Right? And so   I I'm really looking forward to, you know, watching this evolution,   this love evolution.   And I'm really grateful that there are wonderful people like you and your super wife out there, you know, just doing what you're doing, following your your passion and your purpose with your ikigai, and educating, and bringing people together. It's   it's so needed and so important, and,   I'm just I'm really grateful to know you, Jason. Thanks for taking time to be on the show.  



[01:13:20] Unknown:

You're very welcome.  

[01:13:22] Unknown:

Yeah. And so just everybody who's listening, you guys can, you know, you can go to statlantis.   Io if, you know, if you're if you're listening on the podcast channels.   You can also follow,   setlantis on x at join setlantis, s a t l a n t I s. And then you can follow Jason at geeky guy, which is the best. I swear you guys have to go check him out.   Any final words for the audience?  

[01:13:47] Unknown:

Just one more that I should've given you earlier. You can look me up also on Noster,   [email protected].   I apologize for giving that before.   Okay. You're all ready to I'm also geeky guy on there.   I,   I'm posting a lot about,   21 Questions, the Noster edition. So I did earlier in the in this episode, we were talking about, the first 21 questions book.   Thanks. Yeah. That's right.   All about Bitcoin.   And,   so, yeah, answering the top 21 questions about Bitcoin answered by some of the top people, like 15, 16 different people who are   the kind of the biggest names in bitcoin that you've undoubtedly heard of. And now I'm doing the same thing for Nostr. The these are 21 questions, the Nostr edition, and it has essentially the same goal, but this time teaching people about Nostr.  

With   both those books,   there's a dual purpose. 1, the obvious one, teach newcomers to Bitcoin or Nostr about that topic.   And the second purpose,   introduce them to some of these,   you know, big names, influencers, whatever you wanna call them, famous people in Bitcoin,   the builders, the creators,   so that,   I guess, to to start building some trust with these people. So if they hear,   debating whether I should say names, but they I'm sure a lot of your viewers will know.   They hear one guy who's famous for creating a certain,   cryptocurrency, but not Bitcoin or something,   and he's saying one thing about Bitcoin, and then they hear this other person who,   who gave a bunch of good answers in the 21 Questions   book, they'll be more familiar with that that other person. So just helping to kind of funnel people, you know, listen to these people, they are legit, they're honest, they, they know what they're talking about.  

And so the same idea with the 21 questions about noster, the all the people who,   who you should listen to about noster, who really know what they're talking about, and,   and here's what they have to say. And then purple pill, people into noster,   using that   button.  

[01:15:51] Unknown:

Yeah. Obviously, I like purple. So Yeah.   Yeah. That's gonna be important. I think, you know, people starting to understand noster I mean, I'm still, you know, it's so much to keep up with, right? And so for all of us with these, like, you know, avalanche and tsunamis of information, it's like great to have people like you and Alex who are synthesizing things down into simple things so that, you know, we   can digest it in a different way and certainly new people can digest it in a different way. But I love what you said about, you know, it's the know, like, and trust factor. And so, you know, the more that we're consolidating   the truth,   you know, and trust, I think it's gonna help, you know, get more people to understand Bitcoin from different lenses. And so this is super important work.  

Well, thank you again so much, Jason. I think you're awesome, and, hopefully, I'll get to see you at one of the meetups or somewhere along this Atlantis journeys.   You know, I'm I'm looking forward to connecting with you again. And,   tell your wife, give her a big hug. She deserves it. And I will. I definitely will. Thank you so much for having me on here. Yeah. Totally. And thanks, Alex, for the the intro, brother. We'll, we'll talk with you soon. And, hey, until next time, everybody. Make sure, you take good care of yourself. And,   times are gonna get weird. They're about to get weirder. So   stay connected to your love, stay connected to your heart, stay connected to your truth. And, we're all gonna get through this together.  

Alright, everybody. Peace, love, and warm aloha. Thanks again, Jason. And, we'll talk to you guys soon.