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Natalie Brunell shines in the Bitcoin space as a top-rated podcast host, influential educator, and poised media commentator. As the leading woman-hosted Bitcoin podcast, 'Coin Stories' is a deep, engaging dive into the revolutionary Bitcoin network and how it intersects with global economics and technology trends. Natalie's incisive interviews do more than just explore the nuances of finance; they reveal the human element behind the headlines, offering a compelling narrative about the relentless pursuit of the American Dream in the digital age.

Previously, Natalie was an award-winning TV journalist and investigative reporter. For more than 10 years she covered in-depth local and national news topics and holds a regional news Emmy for breaking news coverage.

Natalie discusses the use of Bitcoin to escape domestic violence and authoritarian regimes. She also talks about her journey into Bitcoin and the importance of women's involvement in the space. In this episode, Natalie Brunell discusses the importance of Bitcoin for financial freedom and its potential to help individuals in abusive situations. She also addresses the lack of understanding about Bitcoin among politicians and mainstream media.

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(00:31) Introduction to the episode and the guest, Natalie Brunell

(00:55) Bitcoin as a tool to escape domestic violence or authoritarian regimes

(04:36) Natalie Brunell's journey into Bitcoin and her passion for the technology

(27:41) The importance of women's involvement in the Bitcoin space

(40:11) Advice for women interested in learning about Bitcoin

(41:57) Addressing the fear and intimidation around self-custody and multi-sig

(43:12) The benefits of self-custody and decentralization in Bitcoin

(43:59) Bitcoin as a tool for escaping domestic violence and financial control

(46:24) The importance of Bitcoin for the unbanked and women without property rights

(48:32) The potential for politicians like Elizabeth Warren to change their stance on Bitcoin

(50:52) The flaws in the current monetary system and the need to fix the money

(55:14) The lack of representation of independent voices in mainstream media

(56:18) The importance of activism and sharing the message of Bitcoin

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[00:00:31] Unknown:

Hey, guys. I want you to make sure you tune into this episode if you are a woman   and you are somebody who cares about freedom and peace and financial sovereignty and a safer, better, healthier world for all. This interview with Natalie Brunell, who is the world's leading female voice on Bitcoin,   is my guest. And she is so amazing, and I'm so proud to call her my friend and a mentor and somebody who I deeply look up to. We talk about how Bitcoin is used to escape   domestic violence or authoritarian   regimes. We also talk about her work   as an Emmy Award winning newscaster   back in the day, but now she's an independent journalist who is speaking the truth   and getting the word of Bitcoin out there to the masses. I'm so proud of Natalie. And again, just tune in, send this to every woman you know. Alright, aloha.  

Hey, aloha, love tribe. Welcome to Bitcoin for Peace. I have someone here who I've been following and is one of my virtual and in person mentors. I'm   host of coin stories. She's a Bitcoin educator. She is supporting women and men all over the world with her content   and her wonderful, wonderful contribution to creating a free, fair, and just world through Bitcoin. Welcome, Natalie. Woo hoo. Thank you so much. It's so great to see you, Valerie, and I can't wait for the women of Bitcoin events we have coming up. So it's an honor to be on your show. Yeah. It is seriously like, I'm so grateful for you and all the work that you're doing out there. I mean, do you sleep?  

[00:02:09] Unknown:

I you know, it's funny. So I came from the the media news world where I thought that was 247,   and I used to complain about the fact that I would have to wake up in the middle of the night sometimes because some something would happen. Right? And I would have to go to respond to it. And Bitcoin is also 247. Now it's not as bad. I'm way more grateful to be in this industry, but, you know, it never stops.  

[00:02:29] Unknown:

It never, never stops. And okay. So do you wanna tell the audience and, I mean, I know your audience obviously knows who you are, and I have you know, I'm cross pollinating, and I think we all need to cross pollinate everything. We've got a lot of   artists and activists and environmentalists   and people in different segments of the world who don't know who you are and what you do. And can you share a little bit about your backstory and who's Natalie Brunel?  

[00:02:54] Unknown:

Well and, by the way, I love that. I love that Bitcoin started as this sort of, you know, fringe cypherpunk movement, and now it's going into every community. And it's really truly for everyone and bringing together people from all walks of life and backgrounds and skill sets. So,   you know, I I guess I'll start at the very beginning. I'm a first generation immigrant. My family grew up in, Poland. My parents actually grew up under communism, and so they always dreamt of coming to the United States. They had the American dream.   Everything when they were young that they wanted to buy or acquire was American. It was made in America. They always wanted, like, blue jeans, and they wanted American music and movies.  

And it took them a really long time. They waited many decades to be able to come to the US, and so, I was born, and then 5 years later, I was 5 years old, and we immigrated to Chicago.   And I don't remember much from being very little, you know, moving from Poland, but what I do remember is my parents worked super, super hard.   You know, oftentimes my dad would be gone before,   the sun rose, and and he would come back really late. They both worked multiple jobs just to make ends   meet. And, and and it was all in sacrifice for my brother and me to have a better life here. So Mhmm. I always felt a little bit of a,   like, a self induced weight on my shoulder where I really want to work hard and justify their sacrifice and and help them and give back to them in some way. Mhmm. And what's crazy is   as well as I did in school and as hard as I worked throughout my twenties, I was like, I'm never gonna get there. No matter how hard I work, it's never enough.  

I'm never I'm not catching up to where I felt like I should be,   to be able to afford a house, much less to really help them in the way that I wanted to.   And, when I went off to college right before I graduated, actually, the great financial crisis hit, and my family lost,   the very modest home that they had worked so hard to save up for.   And that was, I think, the the seed that was really planted for me, where I was, like, there is something really broken in this system.   Something is fundamentally wrong. Good people like my my parents   are,   you know, they're the ones having to pay for all the people at the top making the decisions, their mistakes, and their risks, and, you know, the bad decisions that they made that got us into this whole thing. So   I didn't realize that I was looking for Bitcoin. It took me probably another, you know, 7, 8 years working in the   media world and and being exposed to lots of different stories. And then finally, eventually, I had friends introduce me to Bitcoin. But when I did learn about it finally and and went down the rabbit hole, it was a very transformative moment for me, because I was like, oh my gosh. This is going to really address and fix   the core problems that we face, which all relate back to money and the   unfairness of a system that's sort of rigged to benefit the people at the top. We're not all playing by the same set of rules.  

Mhmm. We don't have real capitalism or free markets, and and I hope that Bitcoin can sort of,   level the playing field and allow more people to have access and opportunity so   that their work and value can actually have some meaning. So I'm really hopeful about Bitcoin, and sorry if I went on a on a tangent, but, yeah, my story my story really started with my my parents and their dream to come here.  

[00:06:07] Unknown:

And so since being on this Bitcoin journey, and you've obviously gotten travel all over the world, you've interviewed presidents, you've interviewed,   you know, billionaires, you've interviewed,   just all of these wonderful humans from us plebs to, obviously, all the way up to the top.   Have you seen, like, a shift in consciousness   where people think, you know because my whole thesis is Bitcoin will help create a more peaceful planet   for all. We have to have more peaceful inner humans. We have to have peaceful earth. But if we don't have money that is a peaceful money that isn't violent, such as Fiat,   Are you noticing people's consciousness shift around like, wow. You know, you mentioned hope, and I call Bitcoin hope in action. Right? And so it's like, can you talk a little bit more about   the what you've been encountering with your boots on the ground and your travels?  



[00:06:56] Unknown:

Sure. So I really do see Bitcoin as an awakening because you're right. I mean, it's touched so many people. It is this grassroots movement that I love that started bottom up, and it really did start with the plebs, and I I am a pleb. You know? I I don't come from some fancy background, and a lot of people assume I have a lot more Bitcoin than I do. I wish.   But, yeah. I mean, I love that it is it is a money for the people by the people, and it's trickling up. And now it's, you know, being legitimized by Wall Street, and and I think it's gonna go on to become sort of that global reserve asset for for nation states, and   all these amazing things will happen. But at the end of the day, it really empowers the individual and allows for all of us to save and gain more economic hope. And so it has been really fascinating to meet people   who, again, come from every single social status and and background, and all of them have found hope and meaning in in Bitcoin.  

That really inspires me, and it's it you know, what's interesting is I I come from the media world where everything feels so divided and polarized. Like, when you turn on the TV, one of the things that I was getting so disillusioned by is everything over the last 10 years has become super political and polarized, and it's like this team versus that team.   Mhmm. But the reality is when I even when I was a reporter before I even understood Bitcoin, when I would go and interview people, whether they were a homeless person on the street or someone running for city council or someone on the red carpet,   we're more alike. We have more in common than we do that divides us. I really believe that. Most of us want to be able to plan for the future and take care of our families, and a lot of people put their lives,   you know, sometimes in dangerous positions in order to just make make the next generation have an easier life, you know, and and I really   I think that all of us have that human spirit and that will to improve our situation and to really create a better life for the future, and I think Bitcoin empowers us to do that in a really meaningful way because   I feel like over the last couple of decades, it's filled like it's felt like we've slowed down a little bit. Like, now, younger generations,   they're not able to have   it better than than their parents and their grandparents. They have to work a lot harder for money that's essentially worth less, and and they are running into, I think,   battles with not having as much hope and maybe turning to other things in order to fill that vacuum.  

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I I I see Bitcoin as empowering us to cooperate better. You mentioned, you know, world of peace, peace in action. I absolutely see that, and some people think that we have rose colored glasses on, but I would rather choose to do that and actively   envision a world and help build a world that is   positive and nurturing and,   fuels human prosperity   as opposed to anything that is the opposite of  

[00:09:44] Unknown:

that. Yeah. I I think so too. And as somebody, you know, who came up with, you know, the Woodstock generation and the hippies and let's just go tune in and drop out and all that, and I think they had some ethos there that was   important to, like, you know, get out of the the corrupt system, but there wasn't Bitcoin. And I always wonder, I'm like, what would have happened if John Lennon or doctor Martin Luther King had Bitcoin? You know what I mean? Like, what would be going on   if their conversations about money and corruption and peace and hope and the future? You know? And and I think to a lot of people out there   who are in the the activist movements and who are, you know, caring about human rights and who are caring about the world and environmentalism   and creativity.  

Bitcoin is such an important tool for   us to understand, like, money isn't the bad thing. It's the system, unfortunately, that is causing the the poor incentives and the bad behavior.   You've gotten to interview everybody,   you know, and who has changed your life the most with your conversations?   And I know I'm sure you've got a big handful. So,   who's who's giving you an You're like, woah. I wasn't expecting that in my conversation.  

[00:10:58] Unknown:

Oh, gosh. I've had so many of those moments. I'm so grateful to be doing what I'm doing, especially because I didn't set out for this to be my career. It was just a passion project that I did on the side. Mhmm.   And I learned from so many of these people who now I call friends and mentors, and I'm just so grateful that they shared their time with me. My first,   moment definitely came when I read the Bitcoin Standard, so Saifedean Amuse,   and I I had the chance to bring him on the show, and I just think he's absolutely brilliant, and he was really the first person who exposed me to learning about the history of money and,   examining,   you know,   why we need to have inflation the way that we do and fractional reserve banking and all the things that sort of underpin our economy and lead to so many of these problems.  

Michael Saylor has made a massive impact on me. I just I love how positive he always is. Not only is he absolutely   brilliant and and speaks so   beautifully   and and thoughtfully about Bitcoin in a way that appeals to literally   everyone on the planet,   but he's also just so positive. He he never gets sucked into   some of the negative conversations that can happen and people taking sides.   He's just always positive. His focus is really on Bitcoin.   Lynn Alden, I mean, I admire her so much. I don't know how she has that intellectual capacity that she has. It's just brilliant. I I need to listen to her interviews more than once just to kind of let it soak in.   Preston Pich and Jeff Booth. I mean, it has really attracted some of the   kindest,   smartest,   most   amazing and dynamic and versatile people who wanna see the world   be better. And and they they wanna help, and they wanna do something positive that uplift uplifts people, and I just I'm so grateful to be in their presence.  



[00:12:54] Unknown:

I know. It is I really think, you know,   just learning about Bitcoin and being being to get to participate in this community. It's like the coolest, kindest, and smartest, and most generous people with their time, treasure, and talent. You know? And they're so diverse all over the place. Right? And I'm just like,   I've never experienced this in any other industry, and and I don't even we wouldn't call this an industry. This is a this is a a way of living, you know, of thinking about the future. Right? And because I believe   this is the, hopefully, the future if we can continue along this this path.  

It it it's really, really  

[00:13:30] Unknown:

it is. It's remarkable. And I know you you got to interview Whitney Webb also. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Like, she's she's pretty legendary. Like Her mind is like an encyclopedia. I don't know how she remembers everything that she does. I've always I've always admired people that have a really good   memory and can recall things, at the drop of a hat. She's she's brilliant, and she's also just so courageous.   There are not a lot of people that are willing to stick their neck out and really,   hold people   accountable and hold their feet to the fire in the way that she does, and she, you know, she risks her own safety, I think, in in some of the stories that she's willing to go after and pursue just to shine a light on them. And I've always really admired people like that because   we need those truth seekers and those freedom fighters. Otherwise, where are we gonna get that information? Right? And Yeah. And it's exposed me to just a lot of stories that I didn't know were so buried by   our media and sort of the system   that we live in, and, I mean, it's made it's made me rethink my my journalism background a lot and why certain stories weren't covered. And,   I just I think she's so brave and incredible.  



[00:14:39] Unknown:

I do too. And and so what do you think about I'm interviewing after we've got Gary coming up on after you and then Kim Staten,   who is the writer and director of, The Trust Fall, which is the Julian Assange documentary. And so Julian Assange has got   his, hearing   in on February 20th 21st to see if he's gonna get extradited over here.   What do you say to I mean, that's a whole can of worms as a journalist. Right? We're talking about Whitney and you and all of the truth seekers. Like,   is it okay for   those of us, whether we're plebs, whether we're professional journalists, like, if we see something that is not okay, that's a crime, should we be able to report it without fear of being   tortured, harassed, intimidated,   imprisoned, etcetera, which is what's happened to Julian and many others.  



[00:15:31] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I I think that one of the foundations of having a free society is being able to speak up and speak out. I mean, I I think it's really sad to see what has happened to freedom of speech and the fact that people are offended   by certain forms of speech or or the truth, I mean, we should be able to hear it and then and then make a decision on our own.   But I I it really scares me the level of censorship that we've seen that's translating into the financial world. Right? And and because of digital technologies, it's made it much easier in many ways to surveil us, to censor, to potentially see seize assets, which is why we need Bitcoin. But we need more people who are brave enough to to stand up and and speak out against,   these   very I mean, I I don't wanna use the word evil,   but what you mentioned earlier about incentives, I think that this derives from a really corrupt system, and the system itself becomes evil, and and people,   are you know, even if they're doing their best, they can be a party to very, very disastrous   actions that really hurt people, and I think people don't understand,   that   if we don't have freedom of speech and the right to property, then we don't have anything. Right? We're we're always,   just gonna be controlled by someone else, and we're gonna be silenced, and we're not free. And if a human being's not free, then, I I mean, I would argue that a lot of people wouldn't wanna be around at all. Right? So   I don't know. I just I hope that   I hope that we see someone come in. Like, I actually, one of the people I,   interviewed was Vivek Ramaswami, and I think RFK junior actually said something similar that he would actually,   give them pardons. The Julian Assange's,   the Edward Snowdens. I mean, we have several people who have been in these positions, and and I I really hope that that comes to   comes to pass whoever's in office.  



[00:17:23] Unknown:

I do too. And I feel like it's such a   you know, it's an intimidation   thing that they've been doing, obviously. So it's like, hey. If we do this to these guys, you guys better be quiet. So don't don't tell the truth. You know? And,   obviously, what's going on with Ross,   Albright and being in prison. You know? And so they're just they want to set examples for those of us who are out there who are freedom seekers, And it's intimidating. And I'm a mom. Right? And so Yeah. Everybody knows   the number one thing you can do to get at somebody is is threaten their kids. Right. You know? And I think about different people around the planet who are under threat, like Stella Assange was saying that her kids and her have been threatened. And I couldn't imagine   the terror that that must feel like Right. From any entity to want to hurt your babies. Right? And so to me, that's a manipulative   tactic. And   it's just   we've got Nostr.  

Those of you who don't know Nostr, it's an open source   protocol for communication. You can send sats over it. So this is a decentralized   way that we can communicate and not have censorship like we have on all the the platforms that I mean, thank goodness for Elon. Hopefully, he's gonna continue   keeping   most free speech out there for us, you know, and not censoring us.   Have you ever encountered any censorship in any of your platforms or anywhere?  

[00:18:53] Unknown:

Yes. I mean, I've had some videos   during my time as a Bitcoin   content creator,   shadowbanned   or kind of,   you know, I I don't know how they exactly do it with the algorithms, but all of a sudden, you know, it doesn't show up anymore, and and maybe they flagged it internally. So nothing really crazy where the page has been shut down, but certainly, I'm I'm definitely on someone's radar for some of the discussions I've had and for bringing certain guests on. But again, I mean, I think it's important for people to hear different different views,   especially by,   sources who are are really well researched and who have the data and their records to back themselves up. Right? It's not just, like, some someone off the street shouting something crazy.  

Mhmm.   But, actually, I mean, in my media career when I was a when I was a journalist, there were stories that I wanted to get   published and and to air that never did because there was some sort of conflict of interest with, perhaps, advertisers,   or it would make certain,   political actors look bad. And some of my,   previous employers really cared about political access. And and,   yeah. I mean, that was really disappointing. It's it was one of the reasons that led me to feel a little bit disillusioned. It did not happen at every place that I worked, and not everyone   at the network that I would work at,   maybe shared the same views, but it it certainly happened,   and and I didn't get to publish all the stories that I I researched or investigated, and that was really disappointing to me because I felt like that's not that's not us being journalists. Right? Journalists are supposed to be that 4th branch that watches over. They're the watchdogs. They're making sure that everything's,   accountable   and they're following the money.  

And and if those stories can't see the light of, light of day, then what's what's the point of our industry? Right? We're not just PR arms that are gonna read the press releases from these government agencies and act like all of that is fact.   So it certainly did. It did make me question some things within the broader journalism   ecosystem   because there were things that I tried to fight for, and I just I I couldn't get them to be aired.  

[00:21:00] Unknown:

Wow. That must have felt like I think of, like, Lady Liberty with the gag in her mouth, you know, and not being able to speak. And so so now as an independent,   journalist, creator, educator,   activist for a better world, like, how does it feel for you? I know it's not as easy because you don't have, like, a giant team behind you to go here, edit this, do this, da da da da. It's a lot more work as a,   an independent person. So how has it been for you, though?  

[00:21:25] Unknown:

It's incredibly freeing. I mean, I I never thought that this was possible, that, you know, it could be monetized so that I could actually make a living.   I I really thought   what so many of us are fed in school, right, that you need that 9 to 5, and you gotta be that good corporate soldier, and I played by all the rules, and I just I wanted to work my way up that ladder.   But this is really so much freeing because   you're in control of your destiny, and you make the shots for better or for worse. Right? I mean, this this means I could totally fail, and that and that's all on me.   And you put up a lot of, resources, especially upfront just to invest in yourself and invest capital and in what you're trying to build, but,   it it's really liberating to be able to interview who I want and and focus on this   topic being Bitcoin, which I tried to do in my previous,   roles in the mainstream media world, but I just wasn't able to   to focus as much as I wanted to. Right? I had to cover other things and and, shift to other priorities. So I'm very grateful, but it certainly is not easy. The schedules are really tough. And I would say the biggest challenge about content creation is   how are you going to finance it. Right? Because if you   if you have it be free, and then it needs to be sponsored, and so you have to pick the right sponsors because, you know, there are other content creators who have ended up in positions where they've promoted brands that have gone belly up or people have lost their money. And that was always a fear of mine. Right? I would never wanna partner with a brand where someone ended up getting scammed or someone lost, all of their funds. So you have to be really careful who you pick,   and you wanna make sure that they are allowing you to be as free as possible to interview who you want and do the content that you believe in.  

And then there's also the the business model of just, you know, getting funds directly from the audience and subscribers. And I haven't gone that route just because, again, I'm trying to reach a very mainstream audience, and I think people   what what doesn't cost money today? Right? I mean, it's like   everything's going up, every digital streaming platform is another monthly payment, your utilities, your rent, your groceries,   right or wrong way. But, you know, you're on your own, and you gotta figure it out.  

[00:23:47] Unknown:

Have you tried any,   or not tried, but have you on fountain or any of the streaming sats apps, have you done anything? Like, have you noticed,  

[00:23:55] Unknown:

just engagement or people kind of participating in that with you? Yeah. So I I love the value for value, and I love the fact that there are you know, you can, activate tipping, and you mentioned no story. You can these people send me stats,   for for the videos and content that I create, which I'm so so grateful for, because that is community driven, and they're just, you know, they're basically giving you a high five and saying thanks. And it's it's just so so so nice. And do you write fountain? Fountain's another great value for value. A lot of Bitcoin,   shows are on it. A lot of Bitcoiners are using that platform, so, a huge shout out to them as well.  



[00:24:29] Unknown:

Yeah. They're doing great. I know. And it it is   we have so much content and so much information coming our way. Right? And it's just like, oh my gosh. Do I have to pay for this? It's an ad. It's your attention, you know, and where do we put things? So  

[00:24:42] Unknown:

I I think it's important to support our creators Yeah. Big time, you know, so that we can be free. Because if we start just getting into the old media model, like you said, you're kind of hamstrung by your sponsors if for some reason you have sponsors who don't want you to say x, y, or z or anything. Can't interview their competitor or something. I mean, absolutely. And and and I think the subscription model actually does work well, and so I pay for, some of the other content creators, their work in the space, and I actually I really value it a lot, and sometimes you value more what you pay for. So there's you know, it's just it's just   whatever shoe fits,   you know, you gotta you gotta   go with what works best for your business.  



[00:25:22] Unknown:

Totally. What would you say like, obviously, there's tons of Bitcoin,   books. There's documentaries. There's podcasts. There's all these types of, you know, memes, everything out there. What would you say to somebody who's listening to this who's like, I wanna start talking to my audience, or I wanna build an audience and be a content creator and support Bitcoin from this lens. Like, do you think we have enough Bitcoin content out there,   or do you think we need more Bitcoin content until we have hyper Bitcoinization?  

[00:25:47] Unknown:

I think that it's all accretive. I think that if someone has a passion for this, then they they should pursue it.   My recommendation to them would be to try to find something that might be missing. Right? Right? What unique point of view can you present? What is your sort of, one of my one of my,   former,   television coaches, she used to say, like, what's your red sock? Like, if in a room of all, you know, black socks,   someone will stand out if they're wearing red socks. And so what are what are what is the thing that's gonna make you unique? And I think there's a lot of value in that because even when I saw media evolve where people went from being sort of, like, general assignment reporters to all of a sudden they specialize in something, and they develop sources, and they sort of have a beat, They are far more successful, and they can break stories because they really, really know a subject and know the sources to call. The same thing with, you know, health care. Right? There's there's your general physician, but then if you have some sort of condition, you might need to go to a specialist. And so being sort of a specialist in whatever area, I think, really helps, and it makes you more marketable.   And the more that you can find something to sort of make you unique or make you that that expert to go to, as a source, the more likely you are to grow an audience. So for me, I think it was a situation where I think Oprah has this quote, luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Right? My preparation came from 10 years of just every single day grinding, getting stories, editing, writing, presenting on TV.  

That was my preparation. The opportunity came because   within the Bitcoin space, there weren't a lot of female voices creating content. Mhmm. There weren't a lot of people specifically that were more trained in media speaking to a general audience. Maybe they were more technical or more business focused, so again, I kind of speak to that more general audience.   And so you you gotta find those sort of opportunities because then if you hone in on them, there's a there's a huge amount of growth that can happen and there's a lot more,   potential to reach a new audience.  



[00:27:42] Unknown:

Yeah. It's super duper important that one of my teachers, Pat Flynn, he talks about the riches are in the niches Oh, yeah. And just really at the end do you know Pat Flynn?   Right? He's so I love him. So I just I love so many of these people out there who wanna help messengers   get their message out there and solve problems for people in such a, you know, a unique way.   So let's talk about the women. Let's talk about women in Bitcoin, and let's talk about,   one of the I had posted last night, like, do you have any questions for Natalie today? And somebody had asked about, you know, what is one of the biggest obstacles that you've seen women coming into the space or maybe not coming into the space? Like, what are they What might be missing for women to feel comfortable and welcome in the space? Yeah. So I I find this to be a fascinating  

[00:28:24] Unknown:

topic because,   I'll just start with my own experience. When I started to learn about Bitcoin, I didn't I didn't know, you know, what the female to male ratio was. I just I was I was fascinated by the fact that   all   these,   kind of injustices that I had felt for so long, I didn't I didn't connect the dots to the money. Right? I I was one of the people who also thought, oh, it's political. You know, we gotta like this guy or that guy or it's, you know, it's just bad people that are in office. No, no, no. It's far deeper and almost more simpler in an elegant way. It's actually just the monetary system that we've got to completely fix.   I know. But when I went to my first Bitcoin conference, which was 2021, that's where I launched the podcast. I brought my best friend with me because I was going, I mean, blind. I didn't know anyone except for some of the people that I had interviewed virtually,   and I just wanted to kinda have a companion there with me. And so my best friend, Paula, shout out to her,   we we remember just walking around the convention center in Miami, and we're like, Oh, my gosh. There are no women here. And   and it was funny because there was this massive line,   for the men's bathroom, and then and there was nobody in the women's bathroom. And we were kind of chuckling because if you're a girl, you know that sometimes you'll go out at night at the time. The other way. Yeah. Old restaurant or the restroom and nothing for the guy.  

And so Paula and I actually it was funny. We we handed out little QR codes for my podcast, and we had this large captive audience at the men's bathroom. So we just like go in line. Someone might still have my business card from there.   You know, I just like sat, and I was like, this is kind of a bummer because   I'm someone who I really like being around other women. I love I'm I I don't know if you wanna call it a girl's girl, whatever, but, like, I I've always had a lot of girlfriends that have enriched my life. I've had female mentors and great female bosses, and I'm really close with my mom, so, like, I just I love women.   And I thought,   where are they? Why are they not passionate about Bitcoin? Like, this doesn't make sense to me.  

So the follow-up year, we did the 1st Women of Bitcoin brunch, which brought which brought out about a 100 women, which was just amazing. Because again, I just like all of us being in a room to network and form community and friendships, and there are just things that you wanna kinda talk about that   guys don't relate to. Right?   So I just I love that women bring this softer, feminine,   beautiful, nurturing touch to to everything, and,   and I wanna help grow that. And I think one thing that I've   noticed is if I see a woman, if I see myself reflected in,   in an industry or in something that I wanna learn more about, then I feel a little bit more comfortable, and I feel like there's something I can relate to. And and I just wanna be that. I mean, not everyone's gonna choose my content or relate to to me,   but I wanna be a voice and an entry point and someone that is, like, a welcoming face for for this industry,   also 4 and 7. 50 6 work. Yeah. And and that doesn't mean that someone needed to, like, pink wash it for me and make it so that I'm I'm not a I'm obviously not a dumb person.  

I just wanted I I just want it to be told   in a language that I understand and can relate to by voices that, you know, I I wanna spend time with. And so I,   I just think Bitcoin, again, it's it's misunderstood.   People think it's just for a community of people who are very, very,   sophisticated   with computer science or very accelerated within the finance world, and it's not. It's for all of us. And women, I think, actually   are better at saving and budgeting in some ways.   They're more conservative   and and take risk that's,   a little bit you know, they've thought about it a little bit more. Like, I'm certainly a risk taker, but I need to do my research, and then I feel comfortable. I don't I don't kinda game it. I don't like to speculate or gamble.  

And so I actually think Bitcoin is perfect for our community, and I just wanna invite more women to feel like Bitcoin is something that they wanna learn about, and it's approachable.   But we've got a ways to go. We're, like, getting there. My show's now reached about 20% women, which is great.   But, you know, we've got a ways to go.  

[00:32:47] Unknown:

Yeah. We do. And and the events that you're putting on, and I'm so grateful to participate in them with you. The Women in Bitcoin brunch that you did in Miami and what's coming up in Madera and then Nashville, and we did one in LA, it's like those are the funnest   experiences   at these big old conferences because I love the big conferences, but then these little intimate gatherings, you know, intimate, a couple hundred people,   is but it's really special though because your, you know, your mindset is you're creating the safe container for people to come. There's no dumb questions.   Everybody's, you know, on the same page. We're here to get curious and get to know each other. So I really, really applaud you for leading the way on this, and I know you've inspired a lot of other   creators and gatherers of women out there. There's a Bitcoin women's retreat that's gonna be in the Yucatan. Oh, I love it.  

Yeah. That Tali from, Free Market Kids and Orange Hatters are doing with Amanda and,   Mercedes. So they're having this whole wellness retreat down there, and   it's just super important to bring the ladies together. And Bitcoin is for everybody,   but it's, like, cool. Because if you're a surfer, cool. Go talk with surfers and talk about Bitcoin. If you're a firefighter like Dom Bay and all the stuff he's been rocking. You know? Like, it's cool to talk about Bitcoin in with your crew. Totally. You know? And I'll so I think it has been a big a big game changer, and people are excited about it. Well, I love it. And people got so much out of your,  

[00:34:12] Unknown:

participation in the speech you gave last year. So I'm so excited that you're gonna be part of this upcoming women's brunch. We're gonna try to make it even bigger. We're aiming for more than 300 attendees. So every year, it's pretty much almost doubled.   So it's gonna be the 3rd annual Women of Bitcoin brunch. It's gonna be free to attend in Nashville. We're we're starting the the planning stages and getting securing sponsors for it right now. So if anyone, you know, knows anything,   about, you know, anyone interested, let us know. But, yeah, the Madeira is coming up. The Madeira, Women of Bitcoin branch sponsored by Marathon. We're super grateful. We originally thought maybe 50 women are gonna sign up, and we've had so many more register that we're changing venues to make it bigger. And that's what makes me really excited because,   the most fulfilling thing about these events for me has been   we put it on, and then I get people coming up to me saying that was that was the most   memorable   experience that I've had throughout the whole conference, and I made x amount of friends. And now and now women recognize each other. Right? They saw the brunch is usually kind of first before the conference. Yep. And so you you meet and you engage and you network and you build community, and that that takes you forward, and now you can engage with one another at the actual events and the and I just I love that because it builds on itself, and it's it really means a lot to me. And, I just hope to grow it. Because I would love to have people, like, organizing their own Women of Bitcoin events wherever they are just to, again, just foster that sense of community   and sisterhood and people feeling welcome. And you know what's funny, Valerie?  

I feel like girls get this bad reputation that we're the ones who are kinda catty or clicky. Right? And, like, girls, like, girls form their squads and they're blah blah blah. I'm sorry. But if you go on Bitcoin Twitter, it's the boys that are all fighting amongst each other, and the girls are like, hey. Let's, like, all be friends and come join us. Like, we don't have the drama that the boys do.  

[00:36:13] Unknown:

I would concur   on that, miss Brunel.   It is funny, though. I mean, it we do have a uniquely collaborative spirit   in in Bitcoin. I mean, I do appreciate,   like, some of the conflicts that are out there in the   the thought space because people are we're push we wanna poke holes in things, and we wanna push the needle forward because   if we all just say, yep, we accept this, it's fine. It's like, no. We have to, you know,   do the proof of work to verify that this is actually gonna be a great system or not. And so   I I appreciate   the   the mental sparring that goes on. And, sure, some of it can be hitting below the belt a little. So, yeah, I agree that that could be, you know, I don't know. I just tune that stuff out. But   but I do appreciate that people here aren't just like, yay. Let's just drink some Kool Aid. It's like, well, okay. What's in the Kool Aid. Let's go see who made it. Is it organic? Does it have, you know, GMOs or whatever? You know, like, we're constantly, like, picking things apart because we do believe that the future   can be bright and beautiful and inclusive, you know, and this is one tool. Let me ask you this. Like, do you have a daily or weekly, monthly, yearly, any kind of, like, self care practice for inner peace and to keep your   inner Natalie strength because you're out there in the front lines. You're on Fox News. You know? You're dealing with the matrix. And so what do you do to take care of yourself? Yeah. You know, it's funny. I'm someone who  

[00:37:43] Unknown:

I'm so used to being out in front in the public eye, on camera, all of that,   that I sometimes need a retreat, and I need some alone time.   And I Yeah. I I I need that to kind of decompress   and recharge. So   I like just having, I don't know, nights where I'm I'm cooking and listening to music where I can just, like, think and be in my own little world and bubble.   Sometimes I take bubble bath. I   Bubble bath. You know, you gotta you gotta do that and take care of yourself, and I think that sometimes we we need to stop and do a better job because it's such a go go go. I mean, we mentioned this at the top of the show, but Bitcoin's like 247, so sometimes it's hard to turn it off. I will say,   back in 2021 when I first started, I was really, like, looking at the price all the time. Now I rarely look at the price.  

When it when it, like, dips really low, I get excited. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna put in put in a little bit more.   I'm gonna go donate some plasma. Let's go. But I don't I don't stress about the price. It's just more so there are so many constant,   you know,   stimulations   online because everyone's on Twitter all the time, and there's always some new headline.   But, you gotta take you gotta take a break. I wish we were all better about that because sometimes I feel like we're all on our phones just like living by a 180 characters, and we need to go outside. And   I love that about the Bitcoiners. Right? They encourage   you to go touch the grass and be in the sunlight, and   I need to take more vacations. I'm European, and Europeans are known for, you know, a month at least of vacation every single year, and I'm really bad about that. I took my first vacation last year   in, like, 7 years. No joke.  

So I need to take some I need to take a little bit more time to enjoy,   my   my life and just relax a little bit more. But but right now, it's also so fun, and I feel like we're on this mission to get as many people on board as possible. So I'll try to I'll try to rest maybe after the next bull run.  

[00:39:45] Unknown:

So that's when you'll sleep. I that's amazing.   Okay. So,   oh my gosh. I'm thinking about the women of the world right now. Where would you tell them to go first if there's some women here who are healers, creators, artists, environmentalists, and they don't know a darn thing about Bitcoin? You've got a great,   series that you just did with Swan,  

[00:40:07] Unknown:

your educational series. Like, where where would you point folks to to check out? Yeah. I mean, it's Let's get started. Really all about what resonates with you most because there are so many different mediums now. So we have books. I highly recommend Bitcoin Standard is a great starter.   There are podcasts,   there are courses like the one I did with Swan.   It just really depends what what   relates to you most. So I would I would have someone pick the medium first that   works for their lifestyle and what what speaks to them the most,   and then start with some of the, you know, the well known voices in that space for podcasts. I mean, obviously, I'm biased with mine, but, like, I learned so much from Peter McCormick   or Preston Pysh. I mean, there are so many great shows out there. So, you can start with one and, you know, subscribe to all of them and just dip into also, old episodes are gems. Like, people to this day find, you know, some of my first episodes where I go through everybody's backstory and they share how they learned about Bitcoin and why they find it valuable,   and some of those are the best to start with because it's like you really start at the beginning.  

So, yeah, I'm it's awesome that there are so many great resources, and one thing that I'm gonna focus on this year is putting out more one zero one content. I'm in the process of writing more of that sort of introductory fundamentals   information because you can never have enough of it. I think we need more voices that are just telling that story of what is Bitcoin, how does it fit into the greater economic picture,   why is it important,   why are the FUD headlines wrong, like the mining energy use and all that? So I'm definitely gonna be dedicating a lot of time the first half of this year to producing that.  

[00:41:48] Unknown:

I love it. Yeah. And we need more of it.   As far as, like, self custody and multi sig and all the things that I think a lot of people might have   fear about. Right? Like, oh, I'm gonna be my own bank. That's scary. No. No. No. Let's go get the ETF, or let's just have somebody else custody it. What are your ex what's your experience with kinda helping people get over the hump and feel a little bit less intimidated by being the roommate? My advice is baby steps. You have to walk before you run. You just have to start small. Right? So you start on an exchange that you feel comfortable with,  

[00:42:20] Unknown:

and then maybe you do a little bit of research on the hardware wallets, and then maybe you start with a single sig situation,   and and then maybe you you move beyond that and you say, I really wanna   distribute the the custody and do collaborative custody with multi sig so that I don't have just one single point of failure with one key.   And so it's just I think it's just steps, because we all started with one place. I started with an exchange, then I moved to one hardware wallet, then I expanded to multiple. And,   this is one of the reasons why I've partnered with certain companies and why I share   tutorials and and on how to do it because   it was it took me a little bit. Right? And I've, you know, maybe I used this brand, and then I changed to this one, and all of that was a learning   Yeah. Yeah. But it does take, you know, a sense of strong self responsibility   because you   you are really taking your financial future,   into your own hands, and, and I love that it's sort of taken outside of the system and you can you can distribute,   right, the the risk in terms of decentralizing your keys. So I think that that's incredible because,   look, none of us are necessarily predicting some horrible crash of the whole thing, but you you really have to start thinking about all these different possibilities that I think no one worried about a couple decades ago. Right? Like, what if your funds were to be frozen? What if something really serious happens? What if you can't access your money?  

And and what's happening to it in the long run, just in terms of value. Right? So I I hope everyone has just at least a little bit of Bitcoin and takes the time to learn about self custody. And they're not my sponsor, but I use Unchained for multisync, and I love them. I provide a link if you guys wanna, learn about it in my podcast show notes. So, yeah. I mean, it's just it's awesome the solutions that exist and the companies that are building the tools for this in the space.  

[00:44:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I think it's super important, and I I agree. Baby steps, baby steps, and   you don't have to go risk your whole life savings right out of the gate. Like, do little things, go back and forth,   and I think it's important.   I had a guest on last week, Kendall, and we talked about how she escaped, domestic violence situation   with Bitcoin.   And as many people, unfortunately,   are in situations, whether it's with your government or your partner,   like, financial,   being a financial prisoner is a big deal. You know? And she talked about how,   you know, it was it was unsafe for her. She couldn't, like, hold cash in her house or open up another bank account, so she had to have this whole   setup that was Yes. A a burner phone and getting something that was outside of her home   and then when it was like her escape plan.  

And that's what they talk about in domestic violence shelters is you need to start thinking about your escape plan. And when when it was time for her to leave after an incident,   within   an hour or 2, all of her bank accounts had been shut down by her partner.   And so Bitcoin was her life raft to get out, and he had no access. He couldn't get her her keys, you know, and   it wasn't on her normal phones that were being surveilled from him. And That's incredible.   Like, when I hear stories like this,   this is why I'm a Bitcoiner, you know, and because I believe, like,   people don't understand, like, wow. What other use cases are there? And I remember listening to,   like, in the beginning when I was learning about Bitcoin, and   Alex Gladstein was talking to I think he was talking about Roya Mahboob   and just the escaping the Yes. With the the seed phrase sewn in the pockets, you know, and I'm just   like, oh, I didn't know that that you know, and just not even understanding that this money, like, having being trapped in your local fiat currency   could be a death sentence for you, literally. And so having this   this this asset, this currency, this this,   freedom   tool that you can go start a new life with, whether it's leaving your house or leaving your country. Right. I think it's something that the more people understand that that's   real. I think first world people don't get that this is, like, a big why do I need Bitcoin? I have dollars. I can get a bank account. I'm like, I think is it 1,700,000,000   people are unbanked?  

You know, and a lot of them are women. More than half are women. And so it's like and women in certain places don't have property rights. And they can't get bank accounts. Right? That was the case with some of the people Roya worked with. I mean, the her female employees,  

[00:46:53] Unknown:

they would have to have their husband or dad's permission in order to have any sort of bank account, or maybe they couldn't have one at all. And it's like Bitcoin really   provided a life raft for them. 1 of them was in a really bad marriage and was able to escape because of the money she accumulated through Bitcoin.   And, honestly, I'm so glad you're you're shining a spotlight on these stories because,   before I moved into podcasting in my news job, in several of the markets I worked at, I would interview   domestic violence survivors or sex trafficking survivors.  

And if they had something like this as a tool, they might not have been in that situation for as long as they were. And so,   absolutely, I mean, so   probably most people watching this may be in a position where they never had to think about something like that, but there are literally billions of people around the world who have to worry about that in real time,   and and some of them have to pick up and flee with their entire family. And it's like, how can you transfer your property and all of your wealth if you need to go at a moment's notice?   Jan Pritzker, who I had on my show, his family immigrated from   Ukraine, and they could only bring a $100   worth,   each person. Right? So they couldn't take their wealth with them. My family I I mean, if Bitcoin was around when my family came from Poland, they probably would have been able to bring more capital with that, and it's like they couldn't. So it just it really does empower people in so many ways.  

I I just I think it's, like, the most incredible technology. I really do, and I I hope more people focus on that human rights element.  

[00:48:22] Unknown:

Yeah. Me too. What do you think about, like Elizabeth Warren has obviously been attacking   crypt crypto, Bitcoin, everything for a while, and I used to be like, aren't you supposed to be for the people? Yeah. I wonder, like,   would she you think she would have a change of heart if she started to understand   some of these use cases to help   women   and humans just getting out of abusive experiences and violent situations? Like, has anybody pitched this to her? Like, I'm obviously not in touch with her Right. Directly. But what do you think? This is the thing that frustrates me about Elizabeth Warren,  

[00:48:57] Unknown:

and folks like her.   People are trying to help educate her, and I think if she did understand Bitcoin, she wouldn't   be against it,   but she lacks the humility   to   open the door   to hear the message.   And that's really sad because   she's in charge of   decisions that really weigh on people's lives and and deal with a lot of taxpayer dollars. And it's like,   if you don't understand  

[00:49:30] Unknown:

Oh, shoot. I lost you.   Natalie.   Oh, well, we lost Natalie for 2 seconds. I'm sure she'll pop pop back on.   Isn't it weird that we lost her while she was talking about Elizabeth Warren and our government?   I wonder if there's any correlation there.   Let's hope not.   I'm gonna give Natalie a few more minutes to pop back on, but   I find that to be odd that this just cut out while she's talking about that. But I'm not gonna get too conspiracy   theorist   here, and we'll just blame it on technology.   But I'm so grateful for Natalie to be on this show and to be talking about   Bitcoin for 1 you know, Bitcoin 101 and getting more people understanding what is Bitcoin and why it's a tool for freedom and why it's a tool for peace.  

And   she is so busy and constantly  

[00:50:25] Unknown:

putting good stuff out there. Here she is. Oh, I'm sorry. I don't know where I cut off some I think my Internet went out. I apologize.  

[00:50:31] Unknown:

It's okay. I was just doing a conspiracy theory thing. I was like, did Natalie get cut off because she's talking about the government? You know? That's happened. That's actually  

[00:50:49] Unknown:

up my point,   I I hope that Elizabeth Warren doesn't understand Bitcoin, because if you understand Bitcoin, how can you be against it? What's sad is she lacks the humility to open up the door to the Bitcoin educators to to hear the message so that she could potentially reevaluate her stance.   So she's out there basically either not understanding this entire technology and speaking out against it, which is irresponsible,   Or, I mean, obviously, the more sinister,   viewpoint would be that Shia does understand it, and she knows exactly what she's doing. But I I don't wanna think that that's the case,   but I I I mean, she's she's gonna be on the wrong side of history,   and it won't age well Yeah. The way she's talking about Bitcoin.  



[00:51:33] Unknown:

No. It's definitely not gonna age well. And, again, like, I circle back to the the   I know we've only got a couple of minutes here. I circle back to kind of the manipulation   that can happen with people and the intimidation. And so   I always I'm like, follow the money. Like, where is she being funded from, and who is supporting her? Perhaps who might be threatening her,   or her family or whatever. I don't know. And I always wanna leave the door open for that with any human being because   no matter who you are and how much power you have, if somebody has, like, the, you know, the the silver bullet to your, you know, your kryptonite   Yes. You could start to turn into a mouthpiece   even though you completely don't believe in what you're doing because if you don't, something's gonna accidentally happen to your loved ones. And so   I wanna give people the benefit of the doubt too that perhaps  

[00:52:24] Unknown:

they might be getting manipulated behind the scenes by people or forces that we're completely unaware of. Well, it's sad that we do live in a system that has a lot of quid pro quo, and we have the best   Washington that money can buy. Right? I mean,   money and donors have just   penetrated,   our entire political system, and   it's it's sad. I mean, if you don't have a lot of money, it's really hard to run even for a local office.   And we saw that in some of the local races that I would cover as a reporter. It's   like, you really need deep pockets or know people who have deep pockets. And why would they give you money? Well, obviously, they want something in return. And so it's just it's,   it's a better system than than many out there, but it's still deeply flawed, especially because we have such a monopoly over money.  



[00:53:13] Unknown:

Yeah. And and what do you think like, you've gotten to interview,   RFK junior. Like, I don't see him anywhere on Fox or CNN or any mainstream anything. Like, I see him all over my Twitter and all over my Instagram. Yeah. Like, he's completely being just the like, he doesn't exist on these mainstream media channels. Like, how can we ever have a fair system if we can't, you know, at least have some   representation  

[00:53:39] Unknown:

of the independents that are out there? Well, yeah. I mean, why do we have 2 parties? Why do we have 2 percent inflation? And why do we just have 2 part I mean, why why are certain things just kind of accepted, and we we are complacent in going along with it. I don't know. It's sad that more independent voices don't come up.   I'm not usually a huge fan of politicians in in general, and I don't put them on a pedestal. But, you know, everything that I heard Ron Paul say, and I have one of his books on my, on my shelf here. I mean, it's like this is more of what we need. We need someone who's sane and understands economics.   There are some things that I've loved that Robert f Kennedy junior says, other things I I don't really agree with. Yeah. You know, obviously, everyone's gonna be a mix, and and that's okay. But when you're just   I don't know. When everything's so inflammatory   and everything's   this or that and and we focus on things that really are just the symptoms of a broken monetary system, that what I that's one of the deepest problems I think we have because the media is just everyone's slinging   back and forth, and   none of it is addressing what's actually wrong because,   I'm sorry, but none of the candidates really fully understand that the real the real way to fix this is you have to fix the money. We can't just keep printing and,   you know, inflaming,   the deficit more, and I just   it's sad that so few people understand economics, and Elizabeth Warren is one of them. She does not understand economics. She thinks that shrinkflation   is the result of greedy corporations.  



[00:55:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, that's the whole another episode.   What what's been I know you've been on Fox News. Like, what's your response when you're with all of the mainstream medias now? Like, and we'll we'll wrap up in 1 minute. I just wanna see, like, are they obviously, you're getting on there, so they're waking up to this and letting you speak, which is amazing. Well, I'm super grateful for the opportunities I've had. Mostly, it's been on Fox Business or Fox for whatever reason. Mhmm. I haven't had the chance really to go on some of the other platforms. I don't know why they're not as open to talking about Bitcoin.  

[00:55:35] Unknown:

Platforms. I don't know why they're not as open to talking about Bitcoin.   So hopefully that will change in the future. But, yeah, I mean, we're starting to see an awakening of, you know, anchors, reporters, producers really starting to understand Bitcoin. I'll be excited for when they talk less about the other tokens, maybe, and stop saying crypto so much. But,   we still got a little little ways to go. But, no, it's, again, that's another audience. It's a different audience than maybe the people we're talking to on Twitter. We need to reach them. So I hope that they do start to ask more questions about Bitcoin so that we can get that education out there.  

[00:56:08] Unknown:

Yeah. I think it's super important. I love what you're doing, Natalie. I'm so just keep it up, sister. You're rocking it. I can't wait to see you in,   in the beginning.   Yeah. What a great experience. And so okay. So everybody who's listening, if you can't hear or if you can't see, make sure you go follow natalie Brunnell at talking bitcoin.com, and you can follow her on x,   and everywhere else at natbournell or nataliebernell   on Instagram,   and LinkedIn.   So what's one final word that you would say to an audience of activists right now who are excited about the future but don't see a way out and wanna learn about Bitcoin? What would you tell them? Get active and learn about Bitcoin and then share that message. I love activists  

[00:56:49] Unknown:

because the the passion is what,   you know, fuels them,   and I can't think of anything better to be passionate about than Bitcoin because no matter what you're really interested in, whether it's art or the environment   or   technology or whatever it might be, you will find a niche within Bitcoin   that just awakens your soul and makes you feel more alive than you've ever been, and you can share that energy. And so I just I love it. We need more creators. We need more more voices. And, this is gonna be we're we're shaping a new world, a more positive one than the one we live in, and I'm here for it.  

[00:57:25] Unknown:

Yeah. You sure are. You're you're you're a torch Oh, yeah. Cutter, Natalie. You're a way shower. So thank you so much for all the work that you're doing, and I'm so grateful for you. And,   just you've really inspired my heart and given me a lot more courage and permission   in my soul to come speak out and be a part   of this, wonderful moment. Thank you.   Yeah. Thanks so much. Alright, everybody. So until next time, thanks again, Natalie Brunell of Coin Stories. You're rocking it. Make sure you guys follow her, and, we'll see you the next time.   Yay.