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Can Bitcoin Really Lift People Out of Poverty? Dawdu Mahama-Amantanah

Dawdu, the Bitcoin enthusiast and brilliant mind behind the Bitcoin Source podcast, initially discovered Bitcoin during my TradFi days. However, it wasn't until the explosive 2017 bull run that my interest truly ignited. But fate had other plans in store. 

Three years later, amidst a global pandemic, my passion for Bitcoin reignited like a firestorm. I plunged deep into the rabbit hole, becoming an integral part of the exhilarating Black Bitcoin Billionaire crew on Clubhouse. 

Not only did I write captivating content tailored for fellow Bitcoiners, mastering pain points and providing cutting-edge solutions for customer support in the space, but I also ventured into the enchanting realm of podcasting. Behold, the remarkable Bitcoin Source podcast was born under my hosting prowess.

Summary
In this conversation, DJ Valerie B LOVE interviews Dawdu, host of the Bitcoin Source, about his work on the ultimate Bitcoin app called Satoshi. They discuss the unique features of the app and its potential to address pain points in the Bitcoin space.

Takeaways

• Satoshi is an upcoming Bitcoin app that aims to address pain points in the Bitcoin space and provide a user-friendly experience for Bitcoiners.
• Saying yes to your mission and aligning your life with your beliefs can lead to significant personal growth and fulfillment.
• Rites of passage are important for personal development and can help individuals transition to new stages of life.
• Mentors play a crucial role in providing guidance and support on the journey of self-discovery and personal growth.
• Names can have a profound impact on identity and can shape how individuals perceive themselves and how others perceive them.
• Representation matters in the Bitcoin community, and diverse voices are essential for widespread adoption.
• Developing countries have the potential to leapfrog in Bitcoin adoption and benefit from its decentralized nature.
• Address skepticism around Bitcoin by educating yourself and understanding its potential for financial freedom.
• Support platforms that prioritize free speech, such as Nostr, to ensure open and uncensored discussions about Bitcoin.

Chapters

(00:00) Introduction and Overview
(03:00) The Ultimate Bitcoin App - Satoshi
(06:27) Life Changes and Saying Yes to Your Mission
(09:08) Manifesting and Personal Growth
(18:09) Rites of Passage and Self-Discovery
(23:53) Mentors and Identity
(31:06) Lessons from Dad and the Power of Names
(37:50) Life Before and After Bitcoin
(39:42) Discovering Bitcoin and Immersion
(44:42) Lamar Wilson as a Mentor
(48:57) Bitcoin in Africa
(51:51) Leapfrogging Adoption in Developing Countries
(57:52) Addressing Bitcoin Skepticism
(01:02:13) Nostr and Free Speech
(01:06:12) Final Thoughts and Advice

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[00:00:32] Unknown:

Hey. Aloha, love tribe. I have somebody super special who I actually got to hug   down in El Salvador for the first time. I'm so grateful.   He is the host of The Bitcoin Source. He's a wonderful writer, and now he is my friend. And I'm so grateful to introduce Dadu   Amantana.   Did I say it right? Amantana.   Did it I I did it. Did I do it right? Yeah. She said it twice.   Did it. Welcome, my friend. How are you?  

[00:01:01] Unknown:

I'm doing well. I am blessed and highly favored. Thank you, Valerie, for for getting me on the show. I appreciate it. Totally. And so  

[00:01:08] Unknown:

what are you up to? You're working on,   something really special that is out there, year, and I want you to tell the whole world about it. And I want them I wanna hear also, you know we'll we'll go into your backstory a little bit, but I'm just I wanna talk about what you're working on right now.  

[00:01:23] Unknown:

Yes. So, you know, for the audience, for the people out there, hi. My name is Dadu Amintana.   And I'm currently working on   What I would like to con consider, like, the ultimate Bitcoin app. Right? Which is a company called Satoshi.   My colleagues over there, Chris Hunter, Dallas Rushing,   Tommy Massari. You know, we have this really good team that we're building out. And, essentially, what Satoshi is is, you know, you have your strikes, you have your cash apps, you have your blue wallets out there. And what Chris and Dallas are We're trying to actually formulate here is an app for Bitcoiners, by Bitcoiners that   some of the pain points that we see in the space with Digital wallets with customer support, with just, you know, feeling like you're buying Bitcoin from people that understand   where you're Coming from have the signal that you have in the Bitcoin space. That's what Satoshi is all about.  



[00:02:17] Unknown:

And what's different about the app versus the other apps? Like, why is it? What's gonna stand out?  

[00:02:23] Unknown:

To me, in my opinion, what's really gonna stand out is there's a lot of different features in the app. So you have, Of course, buy, you have earned features where   you essentially just get Satoshis for referring people. So   If I refer you, for example, Valerie,   I get 21%   of all of your fees for life. Right? So that's something that a lot of people don't get When they're using a Cash App or a Stripe, there's also the learn feature where if I'm someone that wants to learn from people in the space people that I think are prominent or that I wanna get more educated on   such as like, a Lynn Alden or Jack Mallers or Michael Sailor.  

I can go right into the learn feature,   click on their emoji,   and then all of their curated evergreen videos such as   Speeches on what Bitcoin did or Bitcoin Magazine Conferences will pull up, and I can actually just digest those,   educational videos right inside of the app, Keeping me sticky and keeping me actually involved and staying on the app. I can share that out to other people. And there's also,   some other little perks as well, like   Bitcoin 1 on 1 educational videos where if you study about how Bitcoin was formulated, then you can actually earn some satoshis when you take a little Small quiz on it. So there's a lot of little different cool things that the app has that,   I'm excited to see in 2024, and I hope a lot of Bitcoiners will be excited as well.  



[00:03:45] Unknown:

Can people get it right now?  

[00:03:47] Unknown:

Nope. We're still in the beta phase, so there's a wait list out there.   I implore people to go to satoshi.money.   That's the URL, the website. And, go on there, join the wait list, put your email in, and then you'll be hearing from us very soon in the next few weeks about Next steps about how you can download the app and actually get started.  

[00:04:06] Unknown:

Awesome. And how did you get hooked up with these guys? How did you get started on this project?  

[00:04:11] Unknown:

You know, I would say that the the universe kind of granted me this this blessing of an opportunity. And I think that, you know, I'm a fan of, like, if you   Focus on something if you kind of, like, make your proof of work become a part of your lifestyle. Like, you actually manifest things that you actually want. Right? So,   going a little bit further back, like, during the pandemic 2019,   2020,   after I lost my engineering job due to the pandemic,   I sat back and I was like,   I don't wanna work for a Fiat job anymore. You know what I mean? I don't wanna I don't wanna be under the control of,   You know, an overlord or someone that, you know, I'm not aligned with. So I I I've always had jobs. I've always been a hard worker, but I never really felt   super aligned with those companies, like how I am with the Bitcoin Ethos.  

And,   you know, I've been writing for Bitcoin Magazine. I've been doing a lot of, like, blog content work for a number of years, and that was always, like, my my walking resume, my walking proof of work.   And when I started podcasting on The Bitcoin Source,   I started connecting with all these various people in the space, Jeff Booth, All these super important people, Brian Dement,   Canute,   you know, all these different people, Jimmy Song. And   I don't I don't really know. I think that Chris Hunter kind of   saw something in me or he saw that the potential that I had. So I seen the job on Bitcoin and jobs.com.   I applied for it, and then I went through, like, a series of interviews. But I think what really struck Dallas and Chris' attention to me is that I'm kind of like unorthodox in the space where you don't see a lot of people that look like me. Representation matters. Right? And, You know, you have this young guy. It's like, he's very articulate, and all these Bitcoiners just know him. They all connect with him. He's very jovial. He always has this nice smile on. So, like, I think that they figured that I would be the perfect fit for their lead customer support department where   People in the space that are big corners that if you try to get Cash App or strike on the phone, it's like, damn near impossible.  

And a lot of times,   Not to knock them, but, you know, a lot of the people that work there aren't really hardcore Bitcoiners. Right? Like, I've been in the space since 2017, so I kind of understand   the pain points of going through the ebb and flow of different cycles and kind of what to look for that Bitcoiners are hungry and and yearning for. So I think that Chris made the the right choice. Dallas made the right choice, and boom, here I am. I'm working for Satoshi.  

[00:06:34] Unknown:

Boom. Here you are.   I love it. That's so cool. And so   I love hearing that you   you know, obviously, we all had to go through a pause during COVID. Right? And, you know, some people chilled. Some people decided they're gonna change paths. Some people went back to business as usual. And so how has your life changed since you've said yes to   yourself into your mission?  

[00:06:58] Unknown:

Oh, it's changed dramatically. Like,   it's weird because,   you   I found that a lot of people during the pandemic or during the the lockdowns that they had to   The veil was lifted. Right? So, like, if you stood on principle or you stood on things that you believed in, like, you really had to   manifest that reality during that time. Like, if you were anti whatever or pro whatever, like, all that came to light and and you had to really stand on it. So By me saying, like, I don't wanna work a regular Fiat job anymore.   I don't wanna subscribe to the the,   You know, the the of the world mentalities of people just going with trends or going with things that people have been peer pressured into doing. I realized that, Man, I have to I have to I have to dip into my stack so that I can, you know, kind of like fund myself and figure out what I wanna do. And Mhmm. I think a lot of Bitcoiners,   Either have experienced that or they haven't had that experience yet, and everybody's situation is different. But for me, what really changed is Understanding,   that finances aren't everything, but at the same time,   you know, standing on what you believe in is is more priceless than Whatever amount of Bitcoin you lose because you can always regain it. Right? But when you sleep at night, you can always tell yourself, like, you stood on something you believed in. You stood on principle,   and no one can ever take that away from you because I'm sure,   a lot of people, you know, made decisions during that time where they're probably like, man, like, If I just stuck it out a little longer, if I just stayed true to who I truly was, like, I'd feel a lot better about myself right now. So I think Bitcoiners,   have that conviction and they know that. So when people were doubting them during the pandemic, like, oh, this thing isn't going anywhere. It's a Ponzi scheme, and they kept stacking those Satoshis.  

They're on the other side of the tunnel now, like, smiling as the price rallies.  

[00:08:56] Unknown:

I know that's a good feeling. I I wanted congratulations.   And you've used the word manifest a couple times. I wanna is I wanna go into that a little bit.   I don't   hear men talk about that very much.   And so I think that's an interest I love that I'm hearing you talk about this. And so   I'm a big believer in,   really designing your life and being an architect and being a coder of how things are gonna work out. And so   I think, you know, over   many, many decades here on planet Earth. I've learned a lot about manifesting and and, you know, I'm always learning still.   What's your how do you approach that, you know, in your mental model?  



[00:09:39] Unknown:

For me,   It's kind of like multifaceted.   Right? So,   way, way back, like, my my my mom was Christian, traditional Christian. My dad was Muslim, traditional Muslim.   So I was able to kind of, like, go to the mosque, go to the church, be able to, like, Really get into the fundamentals of, like, what it takes to be a good person, what it takes to stand on morals and principalities.   Mhmm. And As I grew older   and you started to modify your thinking about spirituality. Right? Like, Christians can be very anti spirituality   outside of what they believe is The holy spirit or the spirit of Christ. Same thing in Islam.  

You don't want things to be haram, so it's like, I kind of was in this weird place when I got into College started to just open up my horizons, reading a lot of different books, and looking into, like, what does spirituality really entail? And,  

[00:10:32] Unknown:

What are some of those books,  

[00:10:34] Unknown:

Dadu? Oh, I got so many so many books. Think and Grow Rich. Yeah.   You know,   Paula Colio. I don't know if you know who he is, but he, has tons of different books where, you know, you can open up your ideas and think about How do you,   there you go. Yeah. Yep. The Altice. My altar. Yep. The Altice is one of one of the big ones. And Yeah.   You know, a lot a lot of people,   and I think a lot of Americans right now are kind of, like, in this suspended animation about   Their thoughts. Right? And I think your thoughts are powerful.   And I didn't wanna be held prisoner to just 1 stagnant idea,   Whether it was religion or spirituality, I wanted to kind of be more of an open book to see what are these quote unquote proverbial taboos that we Kind of shy away from and not to go off on a tangent, but how I got into manifesting is   when you it's like almost like when you're Staring the other way and someone's looking at you and your body subconsciously tells you, like, someone's looking at you when you turn around,   it's like Manifesting is the same thing. Like, if you think or focus about something every single day or you write it down on a piece of paper, like, I found that, like, that That comes to fruition at some point. So   if you write on a piece of paper,   I am great.  

I am the best. I am humble. I am beautiful.   And you, like, literally write that every single day. Like, I think that that becomes a manifestation of who you are, whether you subconsciously believe that or not. And that was through trial and error. Right? Because anytime I found myself in stagnation,   especially being a male, especially being someone that,   traditionally, they don't Look at African Americans as people that are, like, manifesting and doing yoga and meditating. Right?   I got lucky because,   when I was a teenager, I was really heavy into martial arts.  

And,   you know, martial arts really helped me open up to Buddhism and kind of, You know, what what we call the the the way of now. Right? It's something that that my sensei taught me, which was,   I always tell people this, like, when I was a kid growing up, like, I never was, like, a sports kid. I never was, like, basketball, football.   And I don't know if it's my personality, if I'm because I'm a Leo, but it's more so, like, when I found myself on multiple sports teams, and I'm gonna tie this back to manifesting in a second, Valerie.  

[00:12:58] Unknown:

Time.  

[00:12:59] Unknown:

You know, like, if you're the quarterback or you're the shooting guard and you're, like, the captain of the team or you're just, like, not that bet the best on the team, but you're A part of the team, and the buzzer's going down to 3 seconds. You shoot the jumper and you miss the shot. We're all a part of a team, but naturally,   As a team player, if you missed that shot, you're gonna get all the flack. Like, they're not gonna blame the team as a whole. They're gonna say, oh, man. You missed that shot.   And for team sports for me, that was always conflicting with my personality where I'm I'm a big proponent of   If I'm in the dojo or I'm doing a match or I'm practicing my katas, if I make a mistake, it's on me. I can't blame   The power forward. I can't blame the point guard. I have to blame me. It forces me to work on myself better. So for me, martial arts was always that outlet because as a younger man, 13, 14, 15, 16, it's so naturally easy to point the finger at somebody else to say, I didn't achieve this because of that person.  

And it's the same thing with manifesting. You have to do the psychological work. So   it was kind of a win win for me being a martial artist, kind of like Figuring out these different religions and kind of seeing spirituality firsthand, you know, seeing people pray in the mosque, seeing people,   you know, give their testimonials in the Christian church. Like, that was all, like, these weird little things where I was, like, like, there's There's something to this. Like, there's something to prayer. Right? Prayer is essentially manifestation. They just don't call it that. Yeah.  

[00:14:25] Unknown:

That's I love I'm so fascinated aided by your life and your story and how you were   raised. Right? Like, I mean, you think about people   even in just   a male and female relationship. You have, you know, this kind of going on, but to have 2 different very different religions growing up with your mother and father,   that's that's really, really interesting to me, you know, because that says a lot about,   hey, we can meet here even though we choose to worship differently, but the God is God. Right? And so that's what I think is so cool. My son   is really   interested in Christianity.  

And I'm not, I'm not, I don't follow any religion, but I'm ultra spiritual and I love God and I love praying and meditating and angel all of it. Right? And he's just like, mom, you know, you're gonna go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus and all this stuff. And I'm like, Oh, boy. You know? And so   I'm not clear how to guide him. You know? I think we talked about this when you were interviewing me for your awesome show. And   and but I love what you said, though. And so so it's cool, though. So I just think it's it's a neat way for all of us to have conversations about   the way that we get to divinity,   you know, and how do we integrate divinity into our lives, into our relationships, into our practice, you know, and   I just think it's it's fascinating to me that that's how you were raised, you know? And so and I love hearing you say about it's on you.  

Right? When when something goes on, when you're, you know, doing I I don't know all the names of the things you said, but when you're in at the dojo and doing your work, My son says the same thing about boxing, because I'm like, what do you love about boxing so much? And he's like, you know, it's all me. He's like, if it's glory, I got it. And if it's failure. I've gotta do better, and I can't he said exactly what you said. He's like, I can't go and, you know, blame anybody else, and he's just like, there's it's the ultimate form of self responsibility and ownership of my own power. And I was like, wow. That's and someone's gonna maybe punch me in the face if I don't rise to the occasion   of staying into my my center and my power, and I was like, wow.  

This is so cool. So you guys have a lot in common.   I want you to meet him one day. Oh my god. He's awesome. His name's Apollo.  

[00:16:44] Unknown:

Oh, that's that's a that's a perfect name for a boxer. Right? Right?  

[00:16:48] Unknown:

I know. Apollo Creed. Let's go.  

[00:16:50] Unknown:

Really quickly,   what what what I would say to your son if he ever watches this episode is,   You know, being young, being a teenager, kind of like coming into yourself, finding yourself,   especially being a male. Like, what I love about What they call combat sports or physical sports is that   it keeps the ego in check very early. So,   you realize that, of course, you could physically   Hurt somebody or you're you're trained. But I found that when you're disciplined in your physicality, which means that,   you're keeping your body in shape, you're rising to the occasion, you're cutting weight, You're doing road work. Mhmm. You're working on the heavy bag. It keeps you you find a lot of males now in this society that,   they don't have a lot of emotional intelligence.  

You step on their shoe. They're angry. They wanna fight.   A lot of the the combat sport people that I know, MMA fighters, boxers,   karate people,   They have a different ego. Their ego is in check because they know   what it is to be humble. Right? So, like, there was a thing that we had in my dojo where if you were with somebody and somebody got knocked out,   the first thing that you would do is you would kneel in front of them,   and you would wait for someone to assist them. You wouldn't help them. You wouldn't pick them up. You wouldn't say anything because you're showing reverence to them that you possibly could have heard them greatly, and you're Getting on your you're getting on their level. You're not standing around. You're not showboating.   You're literally kneeling in front of them and being patient and waiting for someone to assist them to make sure that they're okay. Wow.  

These are things that I've learned at 13, 14, 15, 16. So when I become a a mature man, I know how to handle myself in society where I don't just fly off the handle and become an emotional wreck. And I think that a lot of men,   run into that issue whether it's in their relationships,   Whether it's in the the business room or the boardroom, like, you have to keep your emotions in check, and I think that combat sports is a great way to do that.  

[00:18:39] Unknown:

Wow. I he has to watch this episode, and he doesn't watch any of my shows or anything. So but I'm going to, like, We're gonna watch it together. Okay, Apollo. We're we're I'm hugging you right now as we're watching Gadu. This is so great. I I think that, you know,   I love if it's it's if it's okay, we're gonna tangent over here because I I think this is super important. And I think right now, obviously,   young men   of all ages.   Doesn't matter where you are in the planet. I don't think I think men are feeling   confused. I think they're overwhelmed. I think there's way too much stimulation. I think there's way too much,   you know,   posturing for what you think you're supposed to go do and get your Ferrari and go get your, you know, your bitches and all this stuff. Right? And so these young men,   time, I think, are being poisoned,   you know, and and, you know,   obviously, everyone is, but go here because   I think, you know, the way that you approached it and approached your life seems like such a good   a a way, a path, a solution, you know, to to stay in your power as a young man because especially when you're 13, 14, 15, 16, you know, your hormones are coming online, and it's like a nuclear reactor   his getting online. And you're like, oh, boy.  

What's going on over here   247?   You know? And and if you don't   take the lead   on that, it's gonna take you down, you know, and you see that with a lot of men and like you said. And so that frustration that's at the   below the surface of men because of sexual,   you know, the energy's coming on, your testosterone's coming in.   It can turn into anger. It can turn into aggression. And so I look at it like, you know, fire and a laser beam. Right? You know, it's like A wildfire can go burn things and destroy things, but you can also take that energy. And if you laser beam it, you know, you can do magic with it. Right? And so   This is very important. Where do you see,   you know, in you in the people that you hang out with or maybe younger people? Like, do you find that, like,   people are   going more on a path of destruct self destruction, or do you feel like you're you're meeting people or maybe mentoring people who are like, no. I don't wanna go down that. I wanna be I wanna be like you, Dadu.  



[00:21:04] Unknown:

I think it's it's twofolded. Right? So I I really believe that,   sexuality   is is being weaponized right now, especially for Young males, like and I sound like an old head, and I'm not even that old. But,   when I was in high school, compared to the way the girls are now, Just from the way that they physically look, just from the way that they interact, or just mentally where they're at, like,   it's, like, insane. Right? Like,   You know, we didn't have Cardi b when I was 16, 17. Right? So it's like they're weaponizing this hypersexuality   for women, which, You know, you have to be embracive of your sexuality. Right? But when you're 16 or 17,   you're still a kid. Right? You're still Learning and figuring out who you are. And I think for the males out there, for the young men out there,   you're dealing with women like   or young girls, I should say, that are in a position that I wasn't in where,   girls like, you had to earn it back in my days. Like Like, asking a girl to the prom was like, oh my god. Like, you had to wait 6 months and think about it, write a note, like, figure out how you would, like, approach her. Right? Now the girls are chasing you more than them. It's like   it's like we're in a place now where I think if you're a man or a male coming into the space. Like, you have to really tap into who you are as a masculine being.  

And I think that that will kind of stave off a lot of this, like, Hypersexuality   because it's all about what we tolerate. Because the girls are only doing it because they think that's what the guys like, and the guys are only doing it because that's what they think the girls like. And as the male energy, if you set the standard to say, like, you know, this is what I like, and I'm not gonna be peer pressured by what my homeboys think or what the captain of the football team thinks this knows what I think. And if you really wanna be in my energy, in my space, you'll appreciate that and respect that, and then we can have,   Unison there. And and he'll learn, your son will learn, and other young men will learn that,   as you naturally throughout this life that you're not always gonna be The most liked. You're not always gonna be the person that   is gonna always agree with the people that you're around, but the most authentic people will embrace you for who you truly are and Really respect your opinion on things. So if you tell a girl, hey, I don't wanna hook up right now or I don't wanna,   take this particular drug. And If she's, you know, against that, then that's not really the person for you. And, yeah, you might be sad for a little bit. But as time goes on, you might see her crash out and you realize, like, hey. I'm I'm going college, man. I I got my whole life ahead of me. There's gonna be plenty more girls out there. So I think that, you know, for the young men out there, like, Stay the course. Don't let anybody deviate you from who you are, and and that will always be,   a gem that you can carry on throughout your your life as a man.  



[00:23:43] Unknown:

And how have you you   know, because, obviously, as young people, right, your brains do not even developed until you're 25 years old. Right? So   How does   one really understand who their their authentic self is when they're young versus,   I think this is who I am because I live in this community, and I guess I'm a cowgirl because I live in Texas or something, or I guess, you know, I you know, whatever it might be. I guess I'm a surfer because I'm in LA, you know?   And how do you get to a place of knowing within your own system that this is truth,   true truth versus this is I think it seems true because everyone you know? How do you know?  



[00:24:23] Unknown:

Yeah. For me, I think that what we lack in this And I talked to my dad about this too.   We we don't have rights of passage anymore.   And I think that A lot of,   young people like like my dad, like, he he was born in Africa.   He was born into a a place in West Africa called Ghana where At the time that he was born, it was very tribal. Right? So when you were 13, you were considered a man. Like, there were certain things that you had to do.   And,   those rights of passage, those large, hard, challenging things   are the things that kind of break you through the mold to say, like, okay.  

I don't know exactly who I am, but I know that I can rise to the occasion if need be. And I think that a lot of the young people now, The TikTok, the instant gratification,   they're just ordering something on DoorDash and getting it immediately   has removed this, like, right of passage for young people. And that's why I go back to combat stores for your son. Like, even in those small increments of, like, being scared that I could get punched in the face or I can get my nose broken, Those are like tiny micro doses of rights of passage. Right? Doing something outside of your comfort zone that tells you, like, okay, I have to be humble. I have to Understand that the world around me   is dynamic. It's elastic. It's not just in my control all the time. So I have to be respectful for people. I have to Talk to people in a nice way because you don't know what other people are going through, and they could snap at a whim. Right?  

I think that once you start to kinda push yourself into this level of,   discomfort. It makes you more comfortable,   with with the minutiae of life.  

[00:25:56] Unknown:

It's so important, and I love oh my god. Love you. I love talking to you so much. This is great. It's like   you're speaking so much of the language that I agree with and share and, you know, work with people. Like,   rites of passage is so are so important. And you're right. You're completely right. We don't have them anymore,   to the degree that, you know, history has shown in different areas. And so   I think that's taken away from   bonding as   a a community and as family units, and I think it's certainly taken away from,   you know,   delineating, you know, point a to point b or chapter 1 to chapter 2 of life. Right? And so,   you know,   I think it's something here, particularly in the United States, that's just   gone. Like, we don't have it. You know? I think of,   the Jewish tradition of,   oh my god. I'm having a brain fart.  

The bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah. Right? And then or a quinceanera   for,   the Latin community. And so   that's at least something that's going on, but, like, what are our true rites of passage where it's like, no. You're going out. Like, my daughter's graduating in a couple weeks.   She came home. I think I don't know if I told you this on our last thing. She came home, like, a week or so ago. She's like, mom, They're gonna I can graduate early, and I'm like, oh, wow. So   okay. Now my mind is like,   okay. Great. Cool. We're gonna have a dinner, dah, dah, dah. But I'm like, what's this rite of passage that I wanna share with her   in a way that   lands for her that isn't like, mom, you're being weird and gross and too hippie. You know what I mean?  

So it's just like   but it's like she's gonna be a woman, you know, and she's She's gonna be out out of the house and all of these things. So it's like,   what are more meaningful rites of passage than just little dinner, or that's not a rite of passage at all. That's just a dinner. Like, to me,   right of passage takes time, and it takes preparation.   You know? And then, like you said, it it can be very intense, and it's like you're going through the fire   to the next level and letting go of the old things and embracing this new, and you're gonna be kinda naked for a little while Yeah. In the next chapter of your of your journey.  

[00:28:12] Unknown:

So, And it's so different from when you were 18, 19, 20.   And, you know, I'm a big proponent of, like, take her on a take her on a camping trip, just you and her for, like, 2 days and, like, rough it out. Like, you know, you'd be surprised, like, when you're cold or, like, you have to, like, you know, ration granola bars how, like, easy it is to, like,  

[00:28:41] Unknown:

less than 0% chance she would go camping with me.   And it's so it's this, like,   it is an interesting thing, you know, and and I think too,   have you done psychedelics?   Yes. A little bit little bit of psilocybin here and there. Yep. Yeah. And so to me, that's a rite of passage too for sure in your consciousness and evolution of expanding   who you are and how you see the world, and you're like, woah. It's the lens is bigger over here. Right?   Obviously, she's old she's young. I wouldn't, you know, do that. But I feel like   that's one thing, but it's also like I like the idea of not necessarily having it be substance related,   you know, and and they're both they both have their place in the world, you know, into the journey of our consciousness evolution, but I think,   yeah. I think it's an interesting one. I'm gonna I'm excited   to to talk with her. It's like, okay. What are I wanna do a mother daughter thing, and what can we go do to, like, get you pump for this next part. Ask her what she's what she thinks would be,  

[00:29:45] Unknown:

like,   a a good rite of passage or, like, a good I won't even won't even say rite of passage. Like, A good way to,   like, sign off into leaving high school, going into college, and, like, being like this   independent adult. Because I always feel like Colleges. You're an adult, but you're still kind of in this cage of, like, being guarded. Like, you're on campus. Like, you're grown, but you're not grown. Yeah. You're like But that's like a stage where it's interesting too because you're an adult, but you're at, like, your brokeest stage of life. Right? Like, you're living off ramen noodles.  

[00:30:15] Unknown:

You're going to class in pajamas, like, but you're 20. Right? So it's it's an interesting time in in life. So it is, and it's so exciting and fun and the freedom that that it affords, but it you're totally right. It's like this   it's almost like you're in the chrysalis in the cocoon stage. You know what I mean? And you're you're not the goo because you are   learning and you're solidifying who you are. So I think you're a little bit past the chrysalis, but you're still not fully formed into this next part of who you are. You know? And so   it's a cool time. You know? It's a very exciting time of life, I think, for young people. And   I do notice, you know,   some young people are definitely more gearing towards spirituality and more gearing toward, you know, what their   who their god is, and I love that because to me, it's like, if that can keep you in a place of   principles and integrity and developing your character in a way that feels appropriate for you, then, yay, go for it. You know?  

So so I think that's really powerful. So let's let's Talk about I'd love to hear who's who are some of your mentors? We talked about   a couple of last conversation. So I'd love for you to talk about who's Who's your top mentor or 2 and why?   In Bitcoin, in life, in spirituality, in manhood, whatever you wanna whoever you comes to mind.  

[00:31:36] Unknown:

Yeah. So I I have a couple mentors.   One would be my dad for sure.   You know, and and it's weird because, like, me and my dad's relationship was like on and off, but,   as I've gotten older, I've learned a lot of gems from him, a lot of things that he's taught me that didn't resonate when I was 25, 24. And then as I became older, I was like, oh, I get it. I get it, pops. I I know what you were talking about. Can you give an example?   Oh, I have tons of examples. So,   you know, when I was I wouldn't even say younger, but I'd say, like, maybe when I was in, like, middle school,   you know, my name is a very unique name, so, you know, kids can be crazy. So I used to have people making fun of my name all the time.  

And I used to come home and complain to my dad. Like, dad, they're making fun of my name. This is crazy.   And, he sat me down one day, and he was like,   Do you really know what your name means?   And I was like, no. I know it's African, but I don't know what it means. And he's like, the kids that are making fun of you, what are their names?   John, this, whatever their names. Right? He's like, those are cool names, he said, but You know why your name is being made fun of is because they don't understand who you truly are or who you truly are gonna be. Mhmm. And then he would sit down and I'd Pick his brain. Like, what does my name mean? What does my name mean?   And,   in in his country in West Africa, my name means beloved prophet.  

Oh, dude. Yeah. Right? I'm not a   prophet. What are you talking about? Right?   He said,   you know, when you were born, like, that was just the name that came to me that I wanted to give you. And when he told me that, that changed my whole entire perspective. So it's like   What he was trying to instill in me is that when you have, like, these different names or these names that can be, like, very ostentatious to people,   it forces you to build your character.   It's like, it's like Tupac Shakur the rapper. Right? When people say, hey, what's your name? Your name is Tupac. You have to say it With confidence, you have to say it loudly so people can hear what you're saying, and then you have to explain what it means. Right? That forces you to have character. It builds you out. If you have, like, a regular name, John John Snow or John Doe, it's like, okay. Everybody has a name John. You don't have any, like, real cool stories to talk about being named John. Right? Yeah. When you have a name like daughter, it's like, woah. What does that mean? Where is that from? Where are you from? Where your pea so before my dad knew, like, already what was to come by giving me a name like that. He's like, another thing too, another lesson that he taught me was he said when you have a unique name, It forces you to be a good person because you stand out. If I do something wrong to you and you say, hey. This guy daughter did something bad to me. I'm, like, the only person in the world with that name. So I actually felt like a sore thumb. My, like, my dad knew, dude. Like like, when I sit down and think about it now, I'm like, man, He was ahead of his time for sure with the things he was doing.  

[00:34:24] Unknown:

That's amazing. I I love your dad. Is he still with us? Nope. Nope. He passed in 2017.   Oh, man. So he's but he's with us, but not in the skin suits. So,   yeah,   blessings to him.   I think that's so cool, Dadu. I know I obviously, Apollo is my son's name. My daughter is Athena.   And it was just like, okay. You know, my ex husband is Greek, so we're like, alright. We can't we're gonna stick with some good Greek names, and, of course, I love gods and goddesses. And,   so I was super excited about that. And but it yeah. I think it's very, very   this goes to, you know, Tony Robbins. Right?  

So   he talks about, like, week, our need to be in alignment with our identity.   You know? And so if we identify as, you know,   of a person of character, a person of moral and integrity, and an honest person, and a hard worker, and a badass, you know, like you're talking about your affirmations and through manifesting.   If we start acting out of alignment with who we think we are, you know,   there's that cognitive dissonance. Right? If something doesn't match up, time, and we're walking through life like that. You know, same thing. Like, if we call ourselves a certain name, like, I'm an alcoholic or I'm an addict or I'm a loser or I'm a, you know, I'm a dick, whatever it is. You know?   If we keep that's code.  

Everything is code. Right? And so if we're coding ourselves and our subconscious   and our souls   with those positive   high vibrational   statements in our identity of being, you know, Dadu, the beloved prophet,   right,   versus,   hi, I'm Bob.   You know, like, you're gonna step into that energy. Right? And so to me, that's why I named my children that way too because I was like, I want you to step into your divinity, you know, your god and goddess nature. And so,   I think that's something that's super duper important. And I, you know,   as somebody who   really you know, I call myself the vibe goddess and the love goddess, you know, because it's like, woo hoo. Like, As a DJ, when I go on stage, if it's just Val, I'm like, hi.  

How's it going? You know?   But if it's the vibe goddess, I'm like,   I can go embody this, like, crazy character. And so I'm like, well, why don't I do that 247?   You know? And so it something that shifted my way of operating   as a human because it's like, wow, I can embody   my my love and my power and my goddess nature and the essence of who I am, which is love. You know?   If I say yes to that identity, if I say yes to these other identities that   other people wanna call me,   then I'm like down here, you know, and so it's just like, I think our souls and our spirits want to embody   that yumminess and that that that connection into the light and that connection to love and to God. You know? And I say the word God. Some people don't like that, but whatever. You call it Bob. I don't care.  

But you know what I mean? And so I think that's one of the things   when people are on a healing journey, when they're on a transformational   journey, when they're in that rite of passage stitch to go to the next place from caterpillar to butterfly.   So,   it's important that when you decide, like, I'm gonna go and become a butterfly that you start identifying as a butterfly,   you know, because that's you've got these wings and everything. And so I think as Bitcoiners, I wrote an article,   about,   the Bitcoiners' dilemma, and it talks about, you know, this transformation that we go through. Right? And so   it is   it's intimidating.  

You know, when you go through these transformations, you know, like, is anyone else gonna be over here? Is it just me? Am I crazy? You know? And so what's been, like, your your   your life before and after 2017 when you discovered when Bitcoin discovered you, you discovered Bitcoin. Like, how's your social circles changed?  

[00:38:20] Unknown:

They changed a whole lot. Like, prior to 2017,   like, I was in the banking industry. So, like, when when I graduated from was like, I my my major was business management,   and, my dad wanted me to be an engineer so bad.   And, you know, he's such an African man. Right? He's like, dude, you gotta An engineer or a lawyer. So I initially went to school to be an   to be an engineer, and I'll never forget. I was in class. The professor was, like, Hitting us with, like, if train a leaves the station at b, like   I was in class, like, I I have no I I gotta chain I gotta transfer my my major. Right?   So, I went into business, and I was like, you know,   I like business. I'm articulate. I'm savvy. I think I'll do well in it.  

Graduated, got my degree in that, and then,   I went into the banking industry. The 1st job I had was, I was an intern for JPMorgan Chase. Woah. And,   then my manager at the time liked me so much. She knew someone at State Street Bank, who's the main bank in my city. And, I ended up working over there Doing, like, hedge fund stuff, mutual fund stuff. So initially prior to 2017, I was really big into gold. Right? I thought being a gold bug was, like, the end all be all. I'm like, This has been around for 1000 of years. Me being African, I'm like, everybody has gold there. They use that as a store value. You couldn't sell me on anything else. Right?   An engineer, a female engineer at the time, she approached me about   cryptocurrency. And this was when the Coinbase was, like, really big. She's like, Bitcoin is is the next best thing. It's gonna change the way you look at,   you know, money forever.  

Wow. I just didn't I just didn't believe her. Right? I was like, okay. Whatever. I bought $10 of it, and then I kind of, like, went through this horseshoe of shit, cornery,   dabbling in Solana, dabbling in XRP, dabbling in this, this,   And then, my moment was when my circle changed. Right? So when I,   went back to school, started to learn how to be an engineer,   That's when, like, of course, the technology stuff started to become ubiquitous in my life. Right? I'm around these super,   you know, intelligent people that Are always, like, pontificating on,   you know, this high level technology. Right? So that's when I started to really dig into,   Bitcoin as On a protocol layer, like, looking at Bitcoin Core, looking at the code.  

And I remember you mentioned mentors. We'll talk about Lamar Wilson in a second, but,   That's when I really had my moment. When the pandemic hit and I realized, like, oh, people are scrambling. Right? We talk about spirituality.   At that time, I feel like the vibration was immensely low because there was no   outlets. You were stuck in the house.   There was no real answers to the things that were going on around you. Mhmm. And I just worked inward. Right? So, like, I have I'm a big bookworm. So I literally just read everything possible.   I ordered the Bitcoin standard,   read that front to back, started to digest it. When I read that, I was like, okay.  

I think I I think I figured something out right.   Read the article by Alice Gladstein called Bitcoin as a Trojan horse. That was, like, even more confirmation. I'm like, okay. I'm not the only one thinking about this. And I just went head first into Bitcoin, like and I just tried to immerse myself with everybody that was on the same level   of thinking that I was. So,   going into Black Bitcoin Billionaires, which is a clubhouse social club. At the time during the lockdown, you couldn't go and just Hang out at the bar with people. So everyone was on their phones on social club networks, and Clubhouse was the biggest one at the time. And you jump on there and you hear this guy with this big booming voice. Like, he's like, Lamar sounds like he has, like, a radio voice. Right?   And,   You know, we would just see, like,   all the famous people. I never forget, like, BBB when it first started.  

Jack Dorsey used to be in those rooms.   Corey Klipschtein from Swan used to be sitting in those rooms. I mean, all these big top people. Right? And it's like, why does he wanna hang out with these 20 black folk in this room just listening to us talk about Bitcoin. Right? And I didn't understand the power of that until later. But,   to to answer your question, Valerie, like, I just kind of made it a point to just hang around big corners, talk to people that are in the space all the time, and it just became like a part of my My lifestyle. Right? It just became You know? A lot of my friends and family, like, oh, here comes daughter. He's gonna talk to us about Bitcoin. I think   We already know what's happening if he shows up. Right? So,   I became, like, the de facto guy. But when the price goes up, like, everyone's relying on me for insight, so It kinda works too far. I know. It's isn't it funny? I know that everybody's like,  

[00:42:52] Unknown:

my friends and family still are   definitely, my family. They're like, mom's crazy. This is crazy. And I'm like,   you guys might wanna get some just in case this stuff catches on.   You know?   But it it is an interesting,   I think, shift. Right? Like, do you still   have a lot of like, did you notice, like,   just kind of a weaning off or dying off of some of your old, you know, circles of friends. And then, obviously,   as Bitcoiners. We keep making new circles, but, like,   did   you notice just kind of, okay. These people are just kinda  

[00:43:28] Unknown:

They're not on the they're not on the bus. You know? They're not going on the journey with me. You know what's weird? Like and I've told people this too. Like, a lot of people like, I'm big on labels. So, like, a lot of times people will say, oh, this is my this is my best friend.   And I was like, well, what makes this person the best? Right? So, like, it's always like, no. You just have associates. So you have people that connect with you in these small spurts of your life at this time that works for you. And then as you outgrow them or they outgrow you, To evolve and change. Right? So I never really used the title like, oh, that's my best friend. I'm like, oh, that's my friend or that's my associate or somebody that I I'm connecting with at this time. So for me, like, I think as I've gotten older, I've just outgrown people because,   what I'm aligned with isn't aligned with them. And not necessarily in a bad way. It's just more in a way of, like, I'm into Bitcoin. I'm into kind of immersing myself into this new technology that is going to not only change The trajectory of my life, but also helped the people around me, my family structure.  

And I know that I have to end up taking it on the chin Because I'm kind of the more forward thinking person. I'm the person that's kind of, like, looking at this fringe technology.   And, you know, everybody thought,   You know, Noah was crazy until it started raining. Right?   So it's like, I always think about that analogy. Like, no one believed Noah when he was just building this ark. And everybody's walking by him every day, like, seeing him put a hammer to this wood. It was like, what is this dude doing? And he's running around telling people, like, dude, it's gonna start raining.   And was, like, yeah. Okay. It's not gonna rain. It hasn't rained here in 400 years.  

Same thing with Bitcoin. So  

[00:45:01] Unknown:

that's a beloved prophet talking right there.   Okay. So let's talk about Lamar Wilson. So is he one of your mentors?  

[00:45:12] Unknown:

He definitely is one of my mentors. And, you know, Lamar gets like a bad rap time. People be not trying to not my boy, man. And,   you know, like,   Lamar is, like, one of those people where he he He doesn't pull any punches.   So, you know, a lot of people have tried to label him as like, oh, Lamar's scamming people. Lamar, you know, he isn't truthful about what he educates people on Bitcoin, and I've always told people, like, look.   As far as I know, I've never heard of him scam. He's never scammed me.   Every time I've been in rooms with him, he's been giving out Bitcoin left and right.   If you answer a question right, he send you some Satoshis. If you do certain things for BBB, he sends you some Satoshis. And it's like,   Lamar's been in Bitcoin since what? And don't quote me on this. I wanna say 2012 or 2013.  

He's also   engineer. He's really close with Jack Dorsey and the Cash App team. You know, he helped actually, Lamar actually formulated   one of the first wallets,   Bitcoin wallets for Ios application, which is which is the iPhone. A lot of people don't know that about Lamar.   And,   you know, I just think that he is a great resource. Like, I've learned So much from Lamar Wilson in the last few years. And, you know, him being a Bitcoiner is a huge proponent for people coming from my community because I always say representation   matters.  

So if I go and look at Michael Saylor, like, he's very informative. I learned a lot from Saylor. But, You know, the meat and bones of things is like, I'm not a billionaire. Like, I'm not   a 40, 50 something year old white guy that lives in Miami. Like, how much can I relate to him, You know, on my front as a as a black male, and it's like when I see someone like Lamar Wilson who is African American, he's male, And I see him on stage with Jack Dorsey? I see him,   hanging out with Jay z at the Bitcoin Academy, teaching people from the Marcy Housing Projects about Bitcoin. It's like, Okay.   This is a guy that I wanna connect with. So,   as far as being a mentor, like, I always give Lamar his flowers all the time, and,   You know, I hope more people do so, as time goes on. And there's tons of other people in the space that represent that too, like Obi,   you know, Charlene Federico.  

There's so many people in the space that are just awesome human beings, but I always relate that back to Lamar because I met all those people by meeting Lamar.  

[00:47:24] Unknown:

Wow. It's so amazing. And and I think   what you're saying is, like, representation. Right? And and so many people don't get it. They think like and and I remember when I first started podcasting because I was podcasting previous to Bitcoin, and I'm like, the best way I learn is by talking and meeting people and just kinda figuring things out that way. I love day. Right? And it's cool because you get to meet new awesome people that love the same stuff that you're interested in. But   a part of me, I was like, who am I to go, like, try to podcast or talk about Bitcoin? I'm nobody, and I'm still the total student. Right? And so   I was really intimidated,   and,   Camilla Campton, who's worked at Swan, she was like, Val, go do it. Like, there's an audience that is gonna relate to you specifically that aren't gonna relate to other people, and so it's okay. Like, go talk to those folks. And so that way,   year. Your voice is resonating with that audience that maybe someone else may not be as resonant, you know? And so That helped me a lot get away from the fear, you know, and the the,   imposter syndrome. You know? And,   and I think   from from all of us out here who are messengers.  

You know? It's like   we need more voices until we have   hyper Bitcoinization   and that everybody has the opportunity to use Freedom Money every single day, and they're educated enough on it to actually make an informed decision.   We don't have enough Bitcoin content.   We don't have enough of it. We need   a a 1000 x more, 10,000 x more, you know, in all these different languages and all these different shapes and sizes and, you know, socioeconomic   places, women, men, it doesn't matter. And so I think It's very, very important that   use your voice. You know? It's it's there for a reason.  

So   I think that's so cool. And so,   okay. So so we just had in Ghana, in Accra, we just had the African Bitcoin Conference. Did you do like, what's did you get to talk to anybody there or tell me what what's going on? Yeah. So I I have a big connection with Africa, obviously. Like, I'm 1st generation, so it's kinda natural.  

[00:49:32] Unknown:

Yeah. I've interviewed a ton of Bitcoiners.   Marcella Rain, that's my girl. Like, she's on fire right now. Bitcoin data, founder of Bitcoin data. She was there.   The Bitcoin vegan, Justin Redrick. That's my brother. I talked to him probably pretty much every day. He was he actually went to Ghana for the first time.   You know, there's so many people there. Toshi,   Maria Mosswin.  

[00:49:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Mary's awesome.  

[00:49:59] Unknown:

Man, there's just so many people that was at that conference, but to to to really,   encapsulate my thoughts on it, I would say that I love what ABC is doing. I love what Farida is doing, Charlene Federico is doing.   And I think that it's needed. Right? I think that Bitcoin   And Africa is one of those things that's just kind of like a dam ready to burst.   And, you know, Africa's had some issues with, like, Ponzi schemes and scams and stuff like that.   You know, I interviewed Kyle Casa who's from Ethiopia.   Mhmm. And we talked about Cardano being, like, inundated in the country. Right? So many people have Kind of been onboarded into Cardano,   and Kyle goes back there and he's trying to promote Bitcoin. He pushes Bitcoin, the orange fields people. And that's kind of the case that you're seeing in Nigeria and all these other places where,   there's all these other different cryptos and people are trying to get, like, the quick money because   The inflation is so high. Mhmm. The the national currency that they're using is so bad that they're just hungry to get a little bit of profit off of   A dollar or a little bit of profit off the naira or the cedi or, you know, all these other different currencies they have. And I think ABC is doing a huge representation of putting Bitcoin first,   Having people see all the great guests and people that they have on board. So it's like, hey. I know Obi from Fetty. Like, he's legit. Oh, he's he's on the panel. Oh, that's amazing. I know Marcel. She helped me in Kenya get some Bitcoin where she taught my sister or my aunt. They were part of that cohort in Bitcoin data. Like, Oh, now she's on ABC in Ghana. Like, that's the representation that people in on that continent need, and I believe that ABC is doing a a great job.  



[00:51:33] Unknown:

I think it's so great, and and I just   I'm curious. Do you feel like   you know, because obviously here in the United States and that   we're so stuck on the US dollar. Right? Like, we're gonna be the last to really truly adopt Bitcoin at scale, I think. I think we're obviously adopting it, but to really use it as this life raft, this currency that is going   to be more for the medium of exchange, obviously.   Do you feel like   places, whether it's El Salvador or places in Africa, are gonna leapfrog over   some of these countries that are just sort of like, we're k here, and then they're maybe gonna take the lead in the world because they got it and they paid attention   and not and there was a survival in, you know, need there too, but it's just like, this is way better than all this other toilet paper.  



[00:52:21] Unknown:

Yeah. So, to answer that question, Valerie, you know, it's weird because I I got to go to El Salvador as you know. And it was like a weird experience because   A lot of people use Bitcoin there, but a lot of people don't use Bitcoin there. So it's like a 5050 type of thing. And from my perspective, I don't think that they   not use Bitcoin because they don't like Bitcoin. I think it's more of an educational and a technical hurdle for them. Yeah. And it's like, okay. How do we reeducate and reinsert their mindset to say, like,   most people have mobile phones in these third world impoverished countries. Africa's a big component of this. Mostly, we don't have,   you know, money for food for the week, but they usually have a mobile phone. Right? Mhmm. That's what Monching Cora is doing. Katatsi   He's doing a big thing with that out there. Right?  

So long story short, when I went to El Salvador, when we first got into the country, I've seen some people that actually had a different perspective on this, but, you know, when you first come in, you pay the $12 tourist card fee. Mhmm.   When we came in, I came with Luke Broyles and a couple other big top Bitcoiners.   And we were like, yo, we're gonna spend Bitcoin. We're gonna use it for the 1st time, $12.   The Chivo machine wasn't working.   So we're like, you know, we're at the airport. The Chivo machine doesn't work.   So   we just paid in cash, but, like, It just seemed like   when that person pulled out that Chivo machine, it was like, oh my goodness. Here we go. I gotta figure out how to use this Chivo machine.  

So it's like, It's not that they don't want to. I just think it's more of this intimidation of technology, and we're dealing with that in America too because, you know, my mom is a boomer. Right? Like, it took me   A year to convert my mom into   setting up a a a digital wallet and buying a buying a ledger and putting money. Like, she didn't understand. I had to I had to hold her hand the whole time. Right? It's the same thing with when you're not dealing with people that don't speak English as their first language.   They've had a dollarized economy. They've had decades of corruption, decades of civil war,   decades of you don't know when the next dictator is gonna come in and and be your president. So Yeah. To have Bukele down there, to have Max Kaiser down there, Stacy down there. It's kinda like, is this for real? Like, how long are they gonna be here? So I think that's what they're dealing with. But to answer your question, not to be long winded,   I think that El Salvador,   From what I've experienced, they have a real shot   at changing something in Central America where police will grab it, Honduras will grab it, Guatemala will grab it. And it just starts to build out in this region, but I think people are kind of sitting back and seeing what Bukele is gonna do. Is he gonna be the president for the next term? Mhmm. And How effective is this gonna be? Right? You're seeing the price rally right now. And I think that a lot of people's highs are on El Salvador. They're on Bitcoin, and they're like, like, We've seen it go to 69,000,   and then we've seen it crash by 50%.  

Is it gonna do that again?   Are the ETFs gonna be approved? Is BlackRock gonna pay attention? Is Fidelity gonna pay attention.   And I think that,   Lamar always tells me something where a lot of the individual   institutional   investors   Already in Bitcoin. So all these big wigs that are trying to get in now, like, they're actually late to the game.   So I think whether a a country   Builds it out and it becomes ubiquitous or not. I think that people like me and you, we've already understood that it's important to hold our own keys, buy our own Bitcoin independently.   And I think that that's what's gonna separate us from the matrix   as this thing becomes rolled out all over the world.  



[00:55:45] Unknown:

Yeah. I think that's such an important point too. Just the education part and people   some people like, when I was in a taxi or an Uber in El Salvador, you know, I would always want a tip,   and and it was just like   1 woman was like, I don't want Bitcoin. Forget it. And and she's like, it's government. It's the government. And so   they've been traumatized.   Obviously, these these people have gone through exactly what you just said. And so so it's gonna take time, you know, to get the people who are excited and then the people who are curious, and then the people who are kinda needing it, but still, like, then the people who are like, uh-uh. This is scary. So to me, I always think of concentric circles of adoption,   you know, for anything. Right? And so   how do we approach our educational efforts, you know, in a way that's strategic?  

Right? And not just try to go to the outside circle and be like, no. No. No. You really gotta get it. And they're just like, screw you. You know? Leave me you know? And it's like, get the dominoes here,   and then they'll fall out as time goes on. And and that develops trust, and that will take time, obviously. And so,   yeah. I can imagine, like,   it's only been a couple years,   you know, down there, and they're just like, yeah. Is he gonna be president next,   we still you know, everything, obviously. So there is very, very valid,   concerns about, you know, the longevity of is this just another thing that the government is trying to do   and take advantage of us, and, you know, all these people are coming in. So   it's, you know, it's a patience game, I think. Yeah. Right? And so but I do think there's   there's just it's a it's an enthusiastic   place. The people who were excited   or are excited down there. It's contagious. Right? And it's this this hope   in action.  

And so I I feel like it's a very,   it's a great testing   ground, I think, and I'm hoping that it it It does spread, and I hope we do see more circular economies.   You know, there's a,   there's just so much going on out there that, you know, it's hard to keep up.   I know we're kind of on time right now.   Any last things you wanna share with the audience about,   If you're new to Bitcoin, if you're thinking that it's a scam or it's a Ponzi scheme or   I'm saying this for my son who's hopefully to still sitting next to me listening to this later.   What would you say to young people who are, you know, thinking, oh, Bitcoin's a scam just like all the other cryptos are.  

Like, how would you help them understand   what's the difference?  

[00:58:23] Unknown:

I would say to young people that, you know young people, I think, are more elastic to new things coming into the space, whether it's music, whether it's technology,   whether it's the new fashion trend. I think that they're more open to   switching up their style. Right?   And with money, it's kind of been this thing that has been around for so long, and it's just like and a $100 bill is a $100 bill. Benjamin Franklin's on it. They put a little bit more makeup on them and make them look a little better every bill, but it's the same guy. Right?   You have to look at Bitcoin as this new currency that, like,   No government has kind of, you know, made up or created. It's just this thing that's like a part of technology. It's like TikTok. It's like Instagram. It's like All these new millennial   trends that we're seeing in the space,   this is like that on steroids. Right? Because this isn't controlled by An overlord or someone that can turn you off or deplatform you if you say something that they don't like,   or if you don't get a verification check and pay them, like, None of that stuff exists in Bitcoin. It's like   Bitcoin is for the people by the people. And   for your son, for all the young people out there,   you see the way the world is going. You see   that money is kind of the lifeblood of our society, sadly.  

And if you wanna Truly get the things that you want in life. If you truly wanna be you know, I seen a poll today that said that Gen Zers plan to retire by the age of 54. It's like if if Gen Zers truly wanna do that, and when you get grown, you realize how hard that truly is gonna become to fruition.   Like, buy Bitcoin now, buy it hard, and buy it fast. If you wanna retire at 54,   like, you got so much work ahead of you, you don't even understand.   So for the young people out there, Bitcoin is this new thing that's gonna catch on like wildfire, and you don't wanna be late to the party. You wanna be early to the party so you can be sitting on the right table. And when I say that, I'm not saying go out and spend   $10,000 on Bitcoin.  

Dollar cost average. If you have a little   job at Kroger's or you're making $16 an hour. Like, take $6 out of that 16 or $3 out of that 16 and just put it into your Cash App account, put it into Stripe, put it into, On Wallet of Satoshi   and have some more  

[01:00:35] Unknown:

Satoshi,  

[01:00:36] Unknown:

you're out. Satoshi. Exactly.   Thank you, Valerie. Shout out to Chris in Dallas.   Right?   Hitoshi, 2024,   new app coming. But,   Can we dollar cost average with the Hitoshi app? Yes, ma'am. We you can dollar cost average. You can smash buy if you wanna buy $5,000   in 1 shot or if you wanna spend $100 a week on your paycheck, you can do that as well. Can you set it to automatically go to your cold storage?   Yes. So there's gonna be a there's gonna be a multi sig function coming later in 2024.   So this is gonna be like a a a one a one off everything Bitcoin app. So everything that you could do on all these other different platforms, you can do inside of this one app. So,   you know, lightning transactions, LMUR   transactions, on train transactions, whatever you wanna do is gonna be right there in the Satoshia.  



[01:01:23] Unknown:

Wow. That's gonna be so exciting, and I can't wait to to see what happens with that. And and I remember we talked when when you had showed me the the beta, like,   more educators of, of different,   genders, different colors, different   ages, different everything, so that we really have   a rainbow of education out there for everybody who's jumping on this satoshi app because we need it, you know. And some of us I mean, I love Lyn Alden so much, but I have to listen 3 times to remember to to process sometimes because she's so freaking smart. You know? And I'm like,   Can you make a stick figure for me and tell me, like, I'm a 3rd grader?  

But I wanna hear the other stuff too because I know that that helps us row. So it's important that, like we had said, we have to have a variety of   of   voices and sources of how we're learning. You know? And so   Anybody who's listening to this, like, don't follow just 1 or 2 people.   Learn and read 10, 20, 30 books. Listen to all the podcasts. Go talk to people, go to meetups. Like, you're gonna have such different ways of   ahas in this whole rabbit all the rabbit holes of coin. You know? So don't feel like it's just this one there's no right or wrong way to learn about Bitcoin. You know? And yeah. So I think that's  

[01:02:43] Unknown:

And and, shameless plug, Valerie. If you want a new read that you'll find very insightful,   I wrote a book called Stacking Sats is New Black.   It is on Amazon.   Okay.   And that book entails   my experience sitting in the black Bitcoin Billionaires Clubhouse room for a year And being like a fly on the wall and just observing   how social clubs take fire. Right? How do they become this trending thing in the space? Because Clubhouse was blowing up during the pandemic.   And today, and don't quote me on this, I think Black Bitcoin Billionaires has over a 160,000,   you know,   subscribers to to to the clubhouse rooms.  

And, you know, how does that become that? Right? Like, that can't only be African Americans. Like, there has to be people from all different races, colors, and creeds.   And,   when I wrote that book, like, I really encapsulated all the   the great thought leaders that were in that club at the time. And I think that if you're a Bitcoiner and you really wanna see   a different side of the coin, a different way that Bitcoin is actually really pulling people from Disenfranchised,   underserved communities,   into this protocol.   That's a good book to grab and read. And it's a short read, so you you can read it in probably a day or 2. And is it on is it audible too? Do you have the audio version?  



[01:03:58] Unknown:

No. I have Kindle, but the audio version is coming. It is. Okay. Good. I'm an audio person, so I would love to hear that when it comes out, and I'll get it, though. What what do you think about and this will be quick. Let's do this. Let's do part 2 of an interview. I wanna have you back and talk about Noster.   You know, because I think,   obviously, you know, social networks growing and having the ability to not be censored and not have the algorithm decide, we don't like hashtag Bitcoin.   I just saw that yesterday   on,   I don't know. Wherever I was, it was like, oh, this hashtag's banned. I'm like, oh, I wanna go see what other ones are banned. And then I just looked of the whole list. Bitcoin is banned. The word blocked you know, hashtag blockchain is banned on Instagram, but crypto is not. Yeah.  

And I'm like, what? And so   the that's   it's just so weird to me. I don't know. I mean, obviously, the powers that be are puppets, and they're the kraken and controlled by forces of the dark side.   You know what I mean? You're like,   but but Noster is something that I wanna talk about.   How can we have   more adoption over there from people   in different communities that aren't necessarily comfortable on, you know, talking in Twitter or even on Clubhouse, for example. So I'd be curious to to to,   you know, dive into that and see what's going on over there if you know what's happening at all.  

[01:05:21] Unknown:

Yeah. You want me to answer it now, or you wanna do it on part 2?   Go for it. Let's let's do it. Do it. For for I mean, I'm on Nostr, but I think that Nostr from my experience has been something that   If you're not super technical or you're kind of, like, scared of, like, how to do certain things on these social media apps,   that can kinda be intimidating to you. Because, like, trying to get verified on Noster was, like, a little bit like, I'm technical, so I understood, but it might not be easy. And I think if the young people get on board with it, It'll kind of catch more like wildfire.   So I think Nostra right now is for, like, the true hardcore   Bitcoiners, because I feel like 90% of the people on Nostra are Bitcoiners.  



[01:05:59] Unknown:

Yeah. It's total Bitcoiner land, which is really cool. Obviously, I like being over there, and I'm just hoping, you know, obviously, all these guys, you know, that are making,   the apps and stuff to play with, and they're making it a lot more easier. And they're just seem more like what everyone's familiar with, so it's not so scary. But I do   love I just think it's so cool. We need it so badly right now to be able to have   places where we can have free speech. So we can we can dive into a Noster   panel or something another time, but,   What are some any last thoughts you wanna share with the audience about you, your life, mission, love,   manifesting?  

Any anything you wanna share?  

[01:06:42] Unknown:

Yes. So thank you, Valerie b, obviously, for this conversation. This has been awesome.   You know, people can find me on Twitter at_dadu_dawdu.   Please check out my writings on Bitcoin Magazine by the same name, d a w d u.   I have a couple books on Bitcoin on Amazon. Just type in, Once again, my name, d a w d u. I'm probably the only person on the planet with the name, so it'll pull up.   And, my last words for people is just, you know, stay true to who you are   And really believe in the mission. Right? Believe in   the freedom that it entails   to really   have sovereign wealth. Right? Bitcoin is one of those things that   it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. It's like seeing Hailey's comment.  

Like, you have to get on board and really pay attention. Even if you're not fully convinced, like, buy $100 worth, buy $1,000 worth, buy $10,000   worth, sit on it, And see where it takes you in the next few years. And, you know,   the people that, you know,   talked about Amazon stock in 1999 when no one believed in it are sitting on the right table right now or at least they were before Bitcoin. Right? So, you know, I implore the people out there that,   are curious about Bitcoin or they're hungry to learn about something that's gonna be a paradigm   shifting,   ethos in this planet.  



[01:07:59] Unknown:

Get into Bitcoin. Look listen to people like Valerie b. Listen to people like myself, but always do your own research. Never take everything at face value, And you'll be you'll be in a good position in the next few years. I love it. It's such great great words of wisdom. And I think the words of wisdom about sitting on it two is super important, you know, because it is highly volatile. And so just think about it as your, you know, your four zero one k mindset. You don't just you know? You just put it away. Don't touch it. You're not gonna go, oh, I'm scared. It would drop. It can drop 80%. It can actually drop 99%,   which it did way in the beginning. And so,   it's okay. That's the fun. The roller coasters, they're that's what makes them interesting.  

But but, seriously, this is so great. I'm so glad to know you, and I love I just love listening to you and learning more about you and how you look at life and how you approach things. You're definitely somebody who I'm like, wow, a new   a new friend for sure. So thank you so much, Dadu. And, I'll you guys, everybody, make sure you go I'm gonna put everything in the show notes. Make sure you follow Dadu on all the socials and,   go read his work and get, study stats while being black. That's it. Right? On Amazon. So I'll put that link in here too. That's I'm excited to get that. So yay.