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In this episode, I sit down with my talented friend KG, a developer and rapper, who is on a mission to bring Bitcoin to millions of Africans without internet access. 

• We delve into his innovative solution, Machankura, a service that allows Bitcoin transactions without the need for an internet connection. 
• KG explains how this technology works and its potential impact on the African continent, where internet connectivity is limited for many.
• We also explore KG's personal journey, from studying computer science to becoming a catalyst for change in the Bitcoin space. 
• He shares his philosophy on being a catalyst rather than a founder, emphasizing the importance of accelerating adoption without burnout.
• Our conversation takes a creative turn as KG shares his musical influences, from Kanye West to Kendrick Lamar, and discusses how music has shaped his life and work. 
• We also touch on the broader implications of Bitcoin and technology on society, including issues of censorship, freedom, and financial privacy.

Join us for an insightful discussion on technology, music, and the power of Bitcoin to transform lives and communities.

Whether you're a tech enthusiast, music lover, or curious about the future of digital currency, this episode offers something for everyone.

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(00:00:01) Introduction to the Episode

(00:01:28) Meet KG: The Catalyst of Machankura

(00:02:09) Bitcoin Adoption in Africa

(00:05:00) Decentralized Bitcoin Mining

(00:07:07) Challenges of Internet Access in Africa

(00:12:04) Impact of Machankura

(00:14:18) KG's Journey to Bitcoin

(00:19:01) Balancing Passion and Avoiding Burnout

(00:21:01) Musical Influences and Inspirations

(00:37:04) The Concept of Immortality in Creation

(00:46:02) Value for Value in the Creative Industry

(01:04:06) Censorship and Freedom of Speech

(01:15:20) Global Financial Censorship Concerns

(01:20:48) Bitcoin's Role in Achieving Peace

(01:26:40) Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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[00:00:02] Unknown:

Hey, you guys. You have to tune into this episode   to learn about my wonderful   developer friend who's also a rapper, which I didn't even know until we did this interview. I'm so excited. He's super talented, super passionate,   and he is on a mission to help get Bitcoin in the hands of   millions of Africans who do not have access to the Internet. More than half of the people in Africa don't have Internet. So how on earth are they gonna work with Freedom Money if they can't use the internet? Well, he has a solution that you guys need to find out about.   You guys are going to love this episode. We talk a lot about love and spirituality. We also talk obviously about technology, censorship, freedom   and all the things that you love because that's why you're listening. So tune in to KG who is the catalyst of Machuenkura   and you guys are going to understand also why he calls himself a catalyst and not a founder.  

All right, thanks so much. Stay tuned.   Hey, aloha. Get ready for an epic episode. And if you love it, please share it. You know why? Because you got the love. Enjoy, my friends.   Hey. Aloha, love tribe. Guess what? I have somebody here who I met in El Salvador a couple years ago who is helping   the continent of Africa get   Internet free Bitcoin transaction. This is KG. He's the catalyst of Machankura.   How's it going, my friend?  

[00:01:46] Unknown:

It's all good, Val. How are you doing? I'm great.  

[00:01:50] Unknown:

Do you wanna tell I I didn't wanna I I'm not the best at pronunciation of names, and your name is so unique. Can you tell everybody how to say your full name?  

[00:01:58] Unknown:

Cool. My full name is Wakatu Naku.  

[00:02:02] Unknown:

And yeah. And so tell everybody, where are you from and what is what's your big mission? What are you guys up to with Machankura?  

[00:02:09] Unknown:

Mhmm. I'm from Peoria,   South Africa.   And, yeah, with Machankura,   we   effectively   are trying to accelerate the adoption of Bitcoin across the African continent.   And the preferred method or the flagship product is effectively   a USSD service,   that allows people without an Internet connected device to send and receive Bitcoin.   And, yep, that's effectively what Machangura is and what Machangura does.  

[00:02:40] Unknown:

And can you go over a little bit, like because, you know, for the audience who doesn't understand exactly how that could work? Because if we always talk about, you know, okay. If you've got an Internet connection anywhere in the world, you can use Bitcoin. So how does yours how how are you solving a problem for people who are in different areas who don't have the Internet connection? Like, how does it work?  

[00:02:59] Unknown:

Cool. So   Bitcoin is effectively   a digital   technology.   Right? So digital technology   is not necessarily   constrained to the Internet. It can be transmitted on any digital platform.   And   yeah. So,   yeah,   I'm assuming that most of your listeners are music   lovers. Right? So one way to think about it is analog audio versus digital audio. Right? So analog audio usually is lossless. It's something like,   vinyls and stuff like that. But then you can also have digital audio. Oh, yep. You know?   You can also have digital audio like CDs   and,   so many   other forms of digital media like MP 3 players   that are not necessarily   Internet based or Internet connected.  

And, yeah, Bitcoin is yet one other form of digital technology   that could be transmitted   through whichever medium   accommodates it. Right? So   one thing I wanna do with one of the projects we do is   every notable   block,   we need we want to   publish it on paper and then sell that as a book. Right? So,   which was the most recent notable block? Or let's say the bit x block, the block that was mined by a bit x miner, you know, those small miners I don't know if. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell everybody what do you have a bit x? Did you get one? Oh, yeah. I do.   Let me get it on the Okay. Cool. Cool.  



[00:04:40] Unknown:

Yeah. I wanna get myself a bit axed. I'm so excited. I wanna learn a little bit more. So this is exciting.  

[00:04:45] Unknown:

Cool. Yeah. So,   ladies and gentlemen, this is a bit axed. And,   yeah, this is one of the things that is,   was the word I'm looking for. Decentralizing   Bitcoin mining. So it's a small miner. It's efficient. It's something that almost anyone could run,   in their own household.   It also comes with a case, but I'm quite sure people,   make their own cases. And then, yeah, you you could just take the   size and then make a case for yourself. And so that's a bit x. And one of these bad boys actually managed to man a block, like, 2 weeks ago. And so everyone   was just happy about that. So I'm like, oh, what if you could just,   take that block, convert it into text, and then publish it as a book, and then sell the book. And, yeah, people could then have a book collection of notable blocks.  

And, yeah, there, you get other projects like mempool.space   who   visualizes   what the block looks like by stacking   the transactions in a certain pattern and then, you know, use that as a cover or something like that. There's currently some artists that do,   block art,   using the mempool.space,   arrangement of transactions.   So,   yeah,   so, basically, back to the original   response, Bitcoin is just a digital   technology   that is not constrained to the Internet.   So   when we are looking at what could we do to make it more accessible,   we should also be looking at how are people consuming,   and creating   content or media or information. Right? In this case,   the information would be Bitcoin transactions. The most convenient and quickest way is, of course, on a computer connected to the Internet,   but not everyone is connected to the Internet.  

In South Africa, Not everyone is connected to the Internet. In Africa as a whole, not everyone is connected to the Internet. I think around 3rd only 30 to 40% of the population   is connected to the Internet.   And that   leads us to the problem that I was having, around the time where I was trying to get more and more people to use Bitcoin around me.   And the problem is,   if you're sending a person a payment   and over 50% of the people in your population don't have a Internet connected device,   you will most likely not be able to send that payment, right,   over Bitcoin at least or over a digital payment platform that requires the Internet.  

So this was a problem I was having, and   I went   around the problem through multiple ways. The first and easiest way is, of course, I have an Internet connected device. Right? So I just hotspot   my,   device   and then   let them connect to my hotspot. Alright? Cool. Wonderful. And now they've connected.   They are on the Internet, and I'm telling them about this wallet. By the way, I think Phoenix Wallet is the best   Bitcoin wallet in the world right now. So I'm telling them about Phoenix Wallet, and then they're downloading Phoenix Wallet.   And then,   this is the type of device they would use is an Opel. Right? It's not a flagship device. It's, you know, entry level type device. But then these type of devices   do not have   too much base on them, right,   by default. So they've already installed Instagram. They've already installed TikTok. They've already installed   TikTok. They've already installed WhatsApp.  

All these apps are heavy daily   active use apps   that allow users to download a lot of media, like TikTok videos. And,   people download to us later, and they also download to reshare. Well, TikToks, they also download to practice the TikTok dances and stuff. So   phones like these end up without space because they're busy downloading TikTok, content.   So what happened is I've just hot forwarded this person.   This person now has an Internet connected device, and I tell them, yo. You should download Phoenix Wallet. And they go to the App Store. They try to download Phoenix Wallet, and then the App Store says they are running out of space. They should consider deleting a few apps to install this app. And guess which app is at the top of the suggested apps to delete?   TikTok, Instagram, and WhatsApp. And   chances are this person is not willing to deal with these 3 apps to try out your metric Internet money. So what do you do? So the best thing you can do is give them something they don't need to download. Right?  

There's a few web wallets, I think. Well, rest in peace to meet a new wallet. It used to be a web wallet where a person could just access it,   on a browser. There's still a few others remaining, but, I think it was the most notable.   So   if well, CoinOS is a custodial web wallet, so you could also have people use that as well, and they could access   the wallet first go around without needing to install it, and they are sending and receiving Bitcoin.   Wonderful. So, yeah,   that is effectively the the three things you'd have to deal with.   Person without Internet,   person with an Internet connected device but without enough storage,   And the solution   is   a person well, the other thing is even if you they don't have to install the app,   they may be using a device like this one. Right? So this is a feature phone. Right? Oh, you may know, the grandfather of this one, which is the Nokia 3310. Right? So, effectively,   a person with a feature phone is not able to go visit the CoinDesk website. So what do you do?  

This has a GSM connection and it can dial a USSD code. And then   if your website is a text based website   that has a USSD   domain number or USD code, a person with this device could still access your service. So imagine Quaynos, as I was talking about earlier, but with a text based interface. Right? No icons, no buttons, no nothing. Just the   9 most important things, and the person selects, okay. This is what I wanna do. And then the interface asks them, oh, how much you wanna send? And the person says, I wanna send 21 sats. And then the interface says, who are you sending it to? And then so on and so forth until they have sent the full thing.   Yeah. And that is what the USSD thing,   is all about. Solves three things. Person without an Internet connected device, a person with an Internet connected device but without   phone with storage,   and then a person who can access your service but may not have a device that could connect,   to the Internet or with a browser. So, yeah, a USSD platform is something like that.  



[00:11:58] Unknown:

And and so how have you know, that you've been how long have you you've been doing this since what year?   A couple years ago?  

[00:12:05] Unknown:

Oh, Machangula started in 2022.  

[00:12:08] Unknown:

2022. Okay. And so,   so far, you know, what's been the biggest transformation that you've seen in people's lives who are starting to be able to use this, like, going from 0 to Bitcoin?  

[00:12:21] Unknown:

Oh,   there are a few standout projects. I think,   one I wasn't expecting, but that has been,   doing wonderful work. Well, they've been doing wonderful work even before they started using our service is, Offens of Uganda.   It's an orphanage in Uganda, and they use Bitcoin to,   raise funds. Right?   There are reasons why they cannot use a GoFundMe or a PayPal,   you know, because,   if you're in an African country, that country may not be seen   in a good light in the banking,   global network. Right? South Africa currently is gray listed. So if you're running a non profit in South Africa and you're trying to get international donations,   good luck.  

You will   eventually   have to spend a day at the bed and   the only tool to come back the next day. And yeah. So the orphans of Uganda use Bitcoin to crowdfund, and they have been an inspiring project. There's been other projects   all across the continent   that are using the service and   yeah. But everyone is, like,   wonderful. But for me, the highlights are definitely the orphans of Uganda.  

[00:13:40] Unknown:

That's amazing. I know a lot of people don't understand, like, I think over here in,   you know, in the States, they're just like, oh, what's the big deal? You just get a bank account. You just send money. There's PayPal, la, la, la. I'm like, you guys don't understand   the limitations that the majority of the world has to face with trying to transact across borders, trying to transact,   you know, even within your own borders. Right? And so, I I think it's really important that we continue to keep having these conversations and letting people know, like, there's a reason why things aren't,   you know, progressing in certain areas of the world and it's it's the money,   you know, for sure.  

And so   let's talk about how did you get started with all this? How did you become a Bitcoiner   and a catalyst? Like, I'm curious because we had founder before and you're like, put catalyst at Valco. Can you explain that a little bit, please?  

[00:14:31] Unknown:

Cool. Right? Yeah. So let me see. Where do I start?   Maybe let me start with me studying computer science. Right? So   now I should have probably studied electrical engineering or electronic engineering   at the University of Pretoria.   That's what I had applied for.   And,   they had a career day, I think, like, a few months before   the law my high school year ended.   And I went to the career day. I saw these kids all at all these   engineering tables, and the computer science table was empty now. And they had a chat with them, and then I was like, yo. What do people who study computer science build?   And those guys said, oh, basically,   services like Facebook. You know?  

Well, Max Zuckerberg had studied computer science. I was already on Facebook at that time. I was like, oh, for real, that's something I would wanna do, but I've already applied for this. What can I do to switch? And they gave me an email. I switched computer science.   And I've been studying   founders or startups   ever since then. You know? So I think I love, the series Silicon Valley. It's a comedy. But,   yeah, I think it has a lot of good lessons in   the comedic,   expulsion   of the story that they are telling.   And so   yeah. So then I was looking at the question of founder,   and   I've come to the conclusion that you cannot be a founder alone, 1st and foremost. Right? Yeah.  

But then, also,   for what your project   needs   at the time that it needs it. It's like let's see. Let's take Facebook.   Facebook is at the point way beyond where whatever Mark Zuckerberg was thinking was possible when he started it. Right? And whatever Facebook needs to do now requires a catalyst.   And   the person who will come in and do the thing that needs to be done to get Facebook to the next level   will not be considered a founder because Mark Zuckerberg is a founder, and he founded Facebook all those years ago.   But the contribution   that person makes   is really   a generational leap in the existence of Facebook. Right? They tried the metaverse thing. Sadly, it's not working out, but,   I'm seeing catalyst in the same sense. And,   I see catalyst in the scientific,   sense of the word where you are accelerating an a reaction to the desired state without being burnt out. Right? So   yep. And in my case, I've seen a lot of people run small businesses.  

In Africa,   almost everyone you ever meet is an entrepreneur. I was an entrepreneur at a very young age as we're all selling lollipops in high school. And,   yeah, everyone you'd meet is an entrepreneur,   but what you end up seeing is people getting burnt out,   by running their businesses. Right? Because,   we all believe   that   there's a gap to fill. Right? And we all believe that, yo, if I just lock in, if I just do 123, 123, if I,   put my all into it, it will work out. But sadly, you know, life is about entropy. It sometimes doesn't work out, and it doesn't mean you did anything wrong. The wind wasn't just it wasn't blowing in your direction that day. So it doesn't work out. But the sad thing is people literally put their all into it, and they got burnt out. And they are not able   to continue doing the thing that they were doing   even when times have changed,   and what they were doing initially   makes sense now. Right? So it's like if you're in a race and you're sprinting, but it's a long race and   it's a marathon instead of a sprint,   you don't make it to the end because you're tired.  

It's if for me, the catalyst term is like that. Yeah. So the whole point,   accelerate the adoption, but do not get burnt  

[00:18:51] Unknown:

out. I love it. How do you I love this philosophy, and I think a lot of times, you know, we get founderitis,   you know, and people get stuck in that headset of of this, you know, way of operating. And I love the analogy about the sprinting in the marathon.   What personal practices do you have   that,   keep you sane, that keep you grounded, and that keep you from being burned out?  

[00:19:15] Unknown:

Mhmm.   Let me be honest. I don't, you know. Oh, yeah. Actually, I do. But I don't at the same time. Right? So,   as you see, I'm standing up right now. Well, I I don't think you can see because you also look like a standing up, but you have a chair behind you. I am sitting. I'm sitting right now. But I have a standing desk that goes up and down, but I sit for that being confused.   Yes. I have a standing desk that just stands. It's old.  

[00:19:39] Unknown:

You're like, I'm always standing, Val.  

[00:19:41] Unknown:

Yes. Alright.   So,   for me, that keeps me from standing for too long because, one,   I don't wanna be standing for 8 hours in a day   even though I do. And so I pace myself. You know? So   I would stand maybe 2 hours at a time and so on and so forth.   And, yeah, that effectively   limits me to how long I could work and also,   increases how much sleep I get.   Because if you stand for 8 hours in a day, you're gonna sleep like a baby. There's nothing anyone can do to wake you up. K?   So   yeah. I think the standing desk has been,   the heaven sent for me, and   I've appreciated it. But I also   take a lot of walks, listen to a lot of music,   watch media,   in   a weird way. Right? And,   used to write music. I used to write rap, actually,   but I don't anymore because all that creative energy going into software.  

And so I'm like, ah, okay. Cool. I'll I'll do something else. And, you know,   yeah. So I just keep myself busy and   rest a lot.  

[00:20:53] Unknown:

Okay. So let's talk about the music because we when, you know, I have all my guests fill out a little just a couple of questions before we come on.   One of the things you wanted to talk about was music. So let's talk a little bit about,   you know, I wanna hear about your writing raps and what kind what are your musical influences and who are your, you know, inspirations?  

[00:21:14] Unknown:

Oh, oh, okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Wait up. Wait up. Wait up. Okay. Okay.  

[00:21:20] Unknown:

Yeah. We gotta have a lot of music here on the show. Right? Because, obviously, it's DJ Val Show.   I know. Right?  

[00:21:29] Unknown:

Yeah. I I I bought props. I I bought props. You brought props? Oh, hell yeah. You did.   Okay. So Okay. I'd say this is the biggest influence. Can I get full screen so that people see it? Okay. Cool. Here you go. This is the biggest musical influence in my life.   Kanye West, The College Dropout.   Okay. Okay. The College Dropout. Alright. Okay. I was probably 14 when I started listening to it.   And the reason why I started listening to it is quite simple. Right? There's a song here called Jesus Walks. Right? So I don't know if anyone here listens to rap music, but it's very hard to listen to rap music with parents around. Right? So   a song like Jesus Walks allows a 14 year old to play it on the speakers   and not have to worry that their parents would say anything about it.  

But besides Jesus Walks, the whole album is actually epic. It's it's one of the best rap albums ever made. Right? And so that's,   one one of the the biggest rap,  

[00:22:31] Unknown:

influences in my life. Amazing. My son, Apollo, loves Kanye and loves Jesus Walks. That's so cool.  

[00:22:39] Unknown:

How old is Apollo?  

[00:22:40] Unknown:

He's 16 now.   And so, yeah, he's been into Kanye for a while. And, I mean, and everybody you know, there's some stuff that we love. There's some stuff that's like, okay, whatever. I mean, with any artist, it's not like we're gonna love every single thing. So,   okay. Let's hear it. Let's see what else. Oh, yeah. Dude, right on.   I love that you have vinyl too. This makes me so happy.   Hey.  

[00:23:02] Unknown:

I bought vinyl without a vinyl player, you know, because I was like, you know, a film with vinyl,   it it looked good visually. Like, when you're just sitting around, you can't you   can't pass it around like a photo album. So Nas Nas is   killer,   lyricist.   I had put in our song. World. Imagine that. Ah, you know? Right? Let's go.   Great use of samples,   great concepts, and everything.   So,   yes, a lot of the songs in this album, are just epic.   I'm shocked at how it hasn't aged. You know? It it just feels   like, okay. This is what rap is supposed to sound like.   My favorite Nas album though is not this. Right?  

I think Godson oh, and Lost Tapes.   Either Godson or Lost Tapes are my favorite   Nas albums.   This is just the classics,   the classic Nas album, so I'll I'll have that.   And after this, right, there's the   rapper,   It's for the name.   Let me see. Where is this? Where is this? Where is this? Where is this? Oh,   this guy over here.   Okay. Kendrick Lamar.  

[00:24:16] Unknown:

Okay. Okay.  

[00:24:18] Unknown:

Good kid, Mad City. I,   started listening to this in u in university,   2012, 2013   2012, actually.   I bought it, via USB because piracy was the way we got music back in the day. You know? We didn't, get it off the Internet. I've got it via USB, and I was like, yo, is this new kid any good? And yeah. This is probably the best rap album ever made. People may not fully agree, but this is probably the best rap album I've ever made. And as a person who used to rap, right,   I am like I was shocked that he made this at such an early point in his career. Right? Because,   for me, conceptually,   it's   epic. Right?  

It feels like a movie from start to finish. Well, not start to finish. From start until real for me, and then, the last four songs, from Compton, with tech doctor Dre and all the features. For me, I like, okay. The album is done, and now let me just get in all the people who I love to work with. Right? But from Shareen to Real, for me, I was like, how does a guy make a album like this? But   also, more recently, I was shocked. I was like, this album starts with the lost prayer. You know? Dear god, I come to you a sinner.   I humbly repent for my sins.  

And it's very   brave.   Me that that's maybe not the best word, but it's very brave for a rapper   to start an album   like that. You know? Even Kanye put Jesus walks at, like, what? At track number 7? Let me see.   Where where's Jesus walks? Jesus Walks is track number 5 on, the album. Right? And this guy put a prayer,   what is a being a born again player, I think,   as track 1 to the album. And thematically,   that prayer doesn't come into effect until, like, track   1,   8,   10, or sing about me, I'm dying of 1st. So the prayer doesn't come into the story until track 10, but he played it at the start of the album. And I was like, okay. That is sending a message, and, you know,   I respect him for doing that. And,   yeah, it's just how he wants to do it, and   it makes the album even better.  

And the samples, also great, also great use of samples, great use of apps. And yeah. So then there's a guy like, this dude here. Wait.   Okay. But let me just do this.   The Weeknd. Right? I I I'm that dude with the hair as well. Right? So   Yeah.   The Weeknd,   I'm I'm impressed. I'm impressed with him with the pen a fun fact,   when I first started listening to this album, I really didn't like it.   I was like, it's pop. Right? But then I kept playing it, and then I was like, damn, this guy is good.   Highlight track for me is,   Tell Your Friends. Right?  

Tell your   friends, it's actually   a song that features Kanye West.   Right? But you won't hear Kanye West on the song because this is what I think happened. Can I show it on your channel or on your podcast? Or can can I send it to whatever it is? You can drop all the the all the letters.   Cool. So tell your friends,   The Weeknd has a line where he's talking about a party.   He he's like, everybody's fucking. Everybody's fucking. The pussy's on the house. Everybody's fucking. Right?   So I'm like,   I'm sure Kanye heard that line and scrapped his verse. Right? And said, okay. Whatever I had to say on my verse does not matter anymore. So just distort what I was saying and make it sound like it's a guitar solo. That's what Kanye's contribution to the song is. A guitar solo that was actually a verse with actual lyrics,   but The Weeknd wrote such a dope verse that Kanye was like, nah. Let me just grab my verse. I'm not gonna do anything. And, yeah, The Weeknd with the pen, he's great.  

It's similar for me, similar to a Moses Munye.   I'm probably saying his surname wrong, but I don't have Moses' vinyl. So The Weeknd, you get a shout out. This is my favorite Weeknd album.   I haven't really listened to the other ones as much, but, yeah, this one is really for me artistically   where he was killing it. Cool. And  

[00:28:52] Unknown:

one more? One more.   Hell, yeah. One more.  

[00:28:56] Unknown:

So,   okay. So this would be the last one. Kendrick again. I'm a huge Kendrick fan. So, basically, every   Kendrick   album is a highlight for me.   This one specifically, if you saw my talk in El Salvador or Where I Met Val,   I even put it in my slides.   What did I say about it? Oh, yeah. This is the album I listened to when I was making Machangua in 2022.   It dropped in May 2022,   and then   I just had it on repeat   as I was writing out the first version of Machangura.   And, yeah, it's one of the most impressive albums,   the most honest albums.  

Highlight for this album is effectively   you know, rappers   are very promiscuous   people, and they   talk about their promiscuity   quite a lot. Even Kendrick has lines, get money, fuck bitches. You know? That's what rappers do. But he has   a family. He has kids. He has a fiance. Right?   And so this album   is where he's talking   about   women and   his relationship with women   correctly, you know, as   a problem, as a sex addiction, and as something   that's getting in between him and the mother of his kids and the love of his life, basically. Right? Or the his best friend, which is,   the lady in the picture holding the baby and, you know, okay. The older baby and the younger baby, older daughter and younger son. Right? And him as a rapper   is getting in the way   of this picture. Right? And   Yeah.  

It it explores so many more concepts because, you know,   the crown of phones made out of diamonds and stuff like that, but, so many, many, many different option   what's the word?   Themes as well. But this, for me, one of the most important,   albums.   Very few are rap album where an honest conversation is being had. The only other rap album I think,   has   something like this on it. It's called Love and Other Struggles by Ian Kamau. Right?   My favorite rapper of all time is Ian Kamau.  

[00:31:18] Unknown:

Ian Kamau?  

[00:31:19] Unknown:

Ian Kamau.   Ian and Kamau. Ian, I   a n Uh-huh. Space Kamau, k a m a u.  

[00:31:29] Unknown:

K a m a u. Okay. Cool.  

[00:31:31] Unknown:

Yeah. So   Ian Kamau has a mixtape called Love and Other Struggles.   Right? And in that mixtape,   he talks about love   and other struggles.   And he wrote a love, a breakup song actually that made me fall in love with a person I never met.   Right?   So, yeah, unlike the average breakup song where   Big Chance says I ain't fucking with you anymore,   he's made   a breakup song so beautiful.   I fell in love with that lady. I never met that lady. I don't even know what that lady looks like, but   he described her so well.   I was like,   okay. No. I I I could fall in love with that too. Right?  

And it's a breakup song. So   yeah. So that is, my music segment, and thank you for for letting me, shake.  

[00:32:21] Unknown:

Oh my god. I love it. Well, I like love and other stuff because I think of Noster. This is Loster.   And so   but,   love and other struggles. Sorry.   That's amazing. I mean, I love, like, how you   you you took me there falling in love with this woman too. And, like, we think about,   you know, music is code. Code is code. Everything is code. You know? And so it's like, how are we accessing,   you know, different   segments of information within our own hearts, within our own minds, within,   you know, world of, you know, technology   and money and, you know, interactions between humans and nature?  

I I think it's so cool. And so   do you you know, I wanna come back to the cover of the Kendrick Lamar, you know Which one? And and thinking about you know, you were saying about how he's getting in the own way because of, you know, a sex a sex addiction of making that picture really positive. Do you have anything that, you know and you don't have you can tell me to shut up if it's too personal. Is there anything that is in your way   of getting into the the the vision and the picture of your future?  

[00:33:28] Unknown:

Currently,   I don't think so. Right? I think I was fortunate   enough that   I had   bought demons,   before getting to this point. Right?   And   yeah. So for me,   the conclusion I had come to   is the person I want to be is the person I was as a kid.   Aye?   And   so   what I'm trying to do is go back to that guy,   which is, you know, why the vinyl collection starts with,   college top out, Kanye. I because, yeah, I I had a lot of fun as a kid.   I   explored.   I   even even,   deciding to become a computer scientist is a decision that came out of a fact that I was a rapper as a teenager, and I had decided, you know what?   I'm not gonna   rap anymore because I've seen this for 5 years,   and I don't see   where this is going. Right? So let me go see what else could happen, which was a wrong wrong, decision if,   you know, in hindsight because   at the same time, I see that South African hip hop actually   blew up. You know? It's one of the biggest   genres in South Africa. But, also,   South African hip hop artists were one of the major features in the Black   Panther album. Right? The Black Panther Wakanda   soundtrack, original soundtrack that Kendrick also made.  

Right. He featured quite a lot of South African rap artists.   And I was like, what if I had actually continued down that path? Right? So,   yeah, for now, I say I'd say I'm fortunate because,   at the point I am now, I had already made the decision,   I think,   towards the end of my teenage years that, oh, the person I actually want to become is a person that I was as a kid. Right? So   I would try to limit as   many things   as possible   and   remind myself, oh, what would young Kotatsu do?   And   yeah. So   it hasn't failed me yet.  

[00:35:44] Unknown:

I love this is such a cool philosophy because I think a lot of people   we go through life, you know, and we're in a hurry to grow up and go be free and all the things, you know. We wanna not be under our parents' roof sometimes, you know, we wanna get out and get into that world. And so,   we leave behind that innocence, right? And we leave behind that sense of carefree,   you know, exploration and curiosity and stuff. And so, a lot of people, obviously,   you know, they turn to alcohol and drugs and they turn to, like, checking out of life to kind of go back to that place of,   less pressure.  

Right? Because, obviously, being an adult is there's a lot of pressure with, you know, relationships, with our businesses, with our health, with politics, the world, safety, everything. Right?   And so,   you know, I love, you know, you're you're obviously you're probably half my age   and you're you're I love that you're obviously an adult and a successful adult and but you're keeping that that carefree spirit, you know, inside of your heart, you know, and that shows in the way that you present yourself, you know, because you do have a you've got a playful spirit but you're also very serious too because you're making the world a better place around you.   Let's talk about you had put in,   you know, in in I think we were talking about immortality.  

You wanna talk about Mhmm. Why why did you I'm I'm really curious about why you chose that.  

[00:37:09] Unknown:

Hey, Kevin. I'm gonna say go through music. Okay.   So 2 two things about music.   I do not believe any musician   should sign   a record deal. And   because   every song has the potential of being as influential   as a song by Beethoven or Mozart or Mhmm. Whoever else was,   making symphonies   way back when. Right?   But at the same time, I understand why you should sign a record deal because,   the industry works in a certain fashion. And,   as easy as it is to   share your music with people,   their system is set in place   that   require incentives for your music to get where they're going. Right? A record deal is one of the best ways to,   get a cut of those incentives to all the right people   and, yeah,   and avoid you being burnt out just to get the people hearing your music. Right? So those are the 2 things.  

Any artist has the ability   to make something as influential   as Mozart,   right, as Beethoven,   as Bob Marley.   And even like Bob Marley for me,   one thing about him,   when I was listening to his music or when I ever whenever I listen to his music,   there is what we are told as musicians, you know, what you should do, quality of the sound,   quality of the mix, so on and so forth. But then you hear Bob Marley's greatest songs, and you're like,   where is all of that in this? You know? No woman, no cry is like a live performance.   You could clearly hear the crowd in the background, and he's and the wailers in the background as well, the backup singing. Right? And isn't that crazy that they are called the wailers because that's what they're actually doing in the, in the background, wailing.  

And   they they they don't have a problem with that.   Everybody loves it. Everybody's vibing.   And so music, I think that is what's weird about it that   it's influential.   They are rules, but forget the rules. Just do what you wanna do.   And it's   the   idea   that becomes immortal. Right? It's the thing that you can get a course that becomes immortal. Right? It's the thing that you can create that becomes immortal. There's a slogan I used to,   put on my website which says, I am an artisan. I create to exist. Right? Yeah. It it's a slogan by Yen Kamau, my favorite rapper. It is. Okay.   Right? And   I find that very interesting. I create to exist. So   what are you when you're not creating   is a question that I'm not gonna go through, but,   you have to create to actually exist. You are here to create. You know? And   so the things you create can live forever. Right?  

Not really because   what has a beginning has an end, but it they could live for a long enough amount of time   that   people,   years, centuries,   whatever, after a century later,   actually are still using the idea   even though they are not attributed to you.   So for me, I'm like, okay.   That is something,   creation   is very interesting about. The creator dies, but then the creation could go on and on and on and on and on and on. And even as a person even as a person, the other thing about me is   if I   am not gonna be a good person or a great person,   at least my kids are gonna be good people or great people.  

If they are not gonna be good or great people,   at least their kids are gonna be great. Right? So   it's that idea that,   anyone   could actually   raise the greatest person to have ever lived.   Right?   Subjectively   speaking.   Right? And yeah. So,   basically, how do you go from that to, okay,   This is where I am.   I've hit my limits, but then the next person is gonna, you know, carry the baton and go further. What challenges can you get rid? What cycles can you break and so on and so forth? So for   me, that is the immortality.   You you cannot live forever. Don't try to.  

But   somebody's gonna be alive. So   what are you doing for them to say, okay. Cool. You're gonna actually,   do 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. What ideas are you putting forward to them,   and leaving for them? So yeah.  

[00:42:11] Unknown:

I love this. I I think about any of our creations, like you said, whether it's music, whether it's technology, whether it's a human being,   you know,   we are all creators.   And I think a lot of people,   you know, they they they're like, no, that's not me. I'm not a creator. I'm not an artist. I'm not this. I'm not that. And I'm like,   you created, you know,   my ex husband was always just like,   I'm not creative. I'm like, you know how to run businesses   and help people earn a living, and you're, like, exceptional   at this job. You know? And I'm like, you're creating opportunities. You're creating   a safety net for people so that they can have,   their family feel comfortable so that they can go, you know, move forward. So so anytime anybody says to me that they're not creative, I'm like, okay. Well, let's let's double check that because I think everyone can be a creator and a creative.  

And Oh, yeah. By the way, I've seen you,  

[00:43:06] Unknown:

as a creator recently too when you were DJ ing,   in Nashville where you were creating an experience for the people   up in the crowd. I was like, yeah. Where's the DJ? I was, oh, there's the DJ on the dance floor. And yeah.  

[00:43:22] Unknown:

That was so much fun. I mean, that was such a fun venue, and I loved they had that great screen behind, and they did a great job. I mean, that was a really, really fun party. I was happy to see you out on the dance floor.   Mhmm.   It was definitely really fun.   What,   I I wanna kinda come back just a little bit with your your con your comment that you made earlier about,   you know, how artists you don't think that they should sign deals with you know, so that they're losing the rights to their their records. And so, you know, we talked about this at the same time. I understand. Mhmm. Yeah. And and and it's a double it's it's a double whammy. Right? Because Mhmm. You know, we need as creators, a lot of times, we're not the best distributors and the best marketers of ourselves. Like, we need to maybe be in the studio or in nature, whatever we're doing to be in that creative zone. We're not   the the the the hustlers on the contracts and all that. There's other people who are great at creating those types of of,   you know, successful ways for the the the artist to get their workout.  



[00:44:23] Unknown:

So Mhmm.  

[00:44:25] Unknown:

With value for value and so this is something I've been diving into a lot recently. And, you know, we did a value for a content creator summit.   You know, I was on a value for value panel.   I think, you know, how can what are your thoughts on combining,   you know, the existing models, right, that have got these mega distribution channels. Right? You're looking at the Spotify, the Tidal, the Apple, the Amazon, the YouTube Music.   So without cannibalizing   those models, which, you know, give people an opportunity to have reach,   we've obviously got Wave Lake, which is incredible,   and so we've got all these new ways that, you know, Bitcoiners   are creating,   you know, little platforms to get their music out. The problem with those are, at this stage in the game, is the catalog is very small. And so as a listener,   you know, you go to Wave Lake and you're like, okay, I've listened to all this music. I want, you know, 10,000 more songs to enjoy because we're spoiled with all of these subscription   models. So   with value for value as another stream of of revenue and so for those of you guys who are listening who may not know what value for value is, it's you don't have to use Bitcoin. You can use anything. But it's like it's basically a tipping model. It's an exchange model. Like, cool. I listen to your song or I listen to your, you know, podcast or movie or blog post, whatever, or your course. I'm just gonna send you a little extra stats, right, or some you know, if you're gonna send dollars, great.  

What do you think is the future for artists   to get their work, get their music out, but also have maybe some owners more ownership of it and then also have another stream of revenue for, you know, who doesn't rely on these, you know, micro royalties?  

[00:46:03] Unknown:

Yeah. I think,   there needs to be a paradigm shift first. Mhmm.   Value for value is great primarily because it's like a direct,   channel between   creator and audience. Right?   And   until we do or we have the paradigm shift, it's gonna be bad. Right?   Effectively,   back to the,   I'm an artisan. I create to exist. Right? So   how many creations   do you have in you, right, as a creator?  

[00:46:41] Unknown:

Oh, what a good question.   I love this. Mhmm.   Right?  

[00:46:47] Unknown:

So there's,   some who can, you know, do a cat sale or something   similar to Prince. Right? But then there's others who just do one thing and   well, they don't call it a day, but, you know, call it a day. It's like, this is,   Logan Hill. Well, he has a second well, she's had been in a group and then a solo album and you know? But, anyway but, I think maybe a better, example would be the person who wrote To Kill A Mockingbird.   Right?  

[00:47:15] Unknown:

That would   Oh, gosh. It was so funny. I was just seeing that. It was one of the most banned books,   one of the top 5 banned books in the in the world. And I'm like, okay.   Uh-huh. Harper Harper Lee. Is that right? Yes. Right.  

[00:47:29] Unknown:

So Harper Lee wrote one book and,   you know, passed away before she could, he or she. I I don't know if it's a lady, but I think she it's a lady. Right?   She   she passed away before she could publish the next book, which still got published because, you know, people wanna   post human humanimously   publish art. But anyway,   she just wrote one book, which by most measures is a classic.   And so the thing, though, is   she was able to live off it, at least,   whereby she wasn't forced to publish yet another book to make a living.   And cool.  

That worked out for her. What I want to see   with value for value is something like that.   What if   all you will ever do as a creator   is publish just one   piece, one work of art or one   note, one whatever. Right? Would value for value be sufficient for you   to live on or for you to not need   to try to   do something else. I   as you're saying, as a creative, you may need to be in the sun, be in the world,   Coco, whatever else, And you may not feel like creating. So if you create one thing and never feel like creating ever again,   would value for value allow you to do that? I think it would. I primarily because,   there's no telling what effect the things you create will have on other people. So   then   the question is if you   make something that changes one person's life and that person is in a position to change your life, what do you do? Right?  

Or are they able to then, you know,   use the value for value channel to change your life in return?   And, yeah, I think that is something that   is the paradigm shift for value for value. There's an artist called Ryan Leslie.   He made the song called Addiction. He used to make songs,   make videos of him making songs and then publish the songs.   And his thing was the distribution channel for music is bad   because   no matter how many fans you have   gained on an album, your next album, you're starting from scratch   because there's nothing you can do to   tell those specific people that, yo,   I have,   released yet another album. Right? Because first and foremost, you don't have   the emails of everyone who bought your album. You don't have   the contact details   of your number one listener   and so on and so forth. So all the distribution   channels   keep you away   from these people. And to you, even if they've sent you money, you don't even know if they bought 10 copies of your album to give away, to multiple people   because the distribution channel   creates multiple channels, and   you are further away from the audience as you'll ever be   with conventional,   distribution channels. So value for value, I think that is one major thing and one major paradigm shift that we hopefully get to build on top. I hope so too. And so check this out. So I love what you just said. This completely dovetails into a project that I'm  

[00:51:08] Unknown:

starting to blossom and work on. So,   I had this idea a couple of years ago before we were really able to do the splits,   and   I think splits were just starting to kinda come into to play. But I wanted to create like a super fan wallet   and create something I'm trying to find my my Google document so I can get it.   Super fan, super fan wallet. Oh, goody. Look at this. I'm gonna bring it up because I think it's cool, and I think it's worthy of,   come here, fit. We're gonna go 125.   Yay. Okay. Hold on. I'm gonna pull this up as a screen share   and get rid of that screen share.  

How do I get rid of you?   Hold   on. So because I wanna get your I wanna get your opinion on this.  

[00:51:53] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:51:54] Unknown:

Okay. So   turn it on. There we go. Okay. Blah blah blah. Check it out. Okay. So let's turn take this value for value thing off.   Okay. So check this out.   So this is a concept that I'm interested in seeing if maybe I should should I just make this bigger and put us off the screen? Y'all can see it. You can see it? Okay. Cool. So   what I was thinking of and I've been talking with do you know Abubakar,   with eTrust? Yeah. Okay. And then there's Pedro and Francis   and, Pierre who's got Pay with Flash. So we're all been just kinda talking about this concept that I've been like, I want this built.   Can we build something   where we have the super fan wallet? Right? So it's our tipping wallet. So let's say, you know, you have a $20 a month budget to tip. I have a $10 a month budget. You know, some you know, Michael Sailor's got a $1,000,000 a month because he wants to,   you know, be a patron of the arts and make sure that the the actual content that he's consuming, you know, that the creators are actually getting the money. So without cannibalizing   the existing business models of Netflix or Spotify or Amazon or any of the courses or any, you know, substack, whatever,   is there a way for us to have this one little split tipping wallet,   and then every month, we'll pull the, you know, the consumption data if they will agree to give it to us? Obviously, that's a big thing. And then we'll understand,   like, okay. At the end of each month, I know that I listened to this song 25 times. I know that I, you know, consumed an hour of this podcast. I have watched this movie. I did this with blog post, blah blah blah. So that every unit of content would have its own   wallet address.  

And then within each of those, you know, IP units for each song or each thing, then there's gonna be splitting wallets that go for whoever was, you know, producing, you know so a blog post might have 1 person, a movie might have, you know, 100, whatever.   And so rinse and repeat. Right? And so,   to me, it can take away the friction of thinking like, oh, I wanna go make sure that I'm, you know, sending some sats to this podcaster or giving, you know, buying a cup of coffee for this person over here. And so that's just too much in our little brains to go manage and actually feel like   we're covering all the bases with all of the content that we're consuming.  

Mhmm. And then I also think about,   you know, obviously, with Spotify or whatever, it's like the royalty checks are just, you know,   point 0 0 0 1¢ per play. You know? So it's like, how are you really gonna understand   you know, how are you gonna get your supported,   you know, financially as a creative,   you know, with that business model? So   if at the end of the month, you know and you can still be anonymous as this wallet. I don't have to say that it's Valerie. You know, I can say it's just whatever, the purple wallet.   But I'm gonna know as a content creator or a musician that this wallet   kept listening to that song   or this wallet, you know, kept tipping me this much. So if, let's say, for example, I'm listening to that beautiful breakup song, you know, a 100 times,   as a content consumer,   then,   I'm gonna maybe look at that wallet and go, I'm gonna send that person a free ticket to my next concert.  

Right? Because I know that they're going through something tough or whatever it might be. But, you know, basically, your your tipping wallet is strictly for going straight to the creators, you know, without hurting any of these platforms.   And so   I think that could be you know, and that's, to me, reeducating   ourselves   as consumers because it's like, okay, we want you know, we don't have to spend a ton of money, but at least a little bit and it would add up over a 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of users,   you know, to get that, you know, those funds directly to the hands of our favorite creators. And so,   anyway, so this is just something I've been kinda playing around with, and I'd love to hear   you as an artist. What do you think about that, and could we help artists get one more avenue of of revenue?  



[00:55:55] Unknown:

Okay.   Yeah. I think it's a   great idea. A great name as well.   Fun fact, I think, Ryan Leslie called his,   startup super fan as well. Who? So I think you and   Ryan Leslie.  

[00:56:11] Unknown:

Ryan Leslie. Okay. Who's that? That's the person who had the quote. Right? I'm an artist so that I there. And I Oh, no. That's Ian Kamau.   Ian Kamau. So  

[00:56:20] Unknown:

yeah. Oh, no. He his is called SuperPhone. My bad. SuperPhone.   So this is a guy who said,   with today's distribution   model, you cannot get to the fan who bought your first album,   because Right. You don't just don't know who he is. Right? So,   yeah, I think it's in that spirit. Like, how do you   maintain that relationship between the creator and,   the fan, right, or the consumer or whatever else you wanna choose or custom, if you will. Right? So,   the only issue I'd have with,   the thing is, well, going to already existing   platforms and then Mhmm.  

Trying to,   be there with them.   And I think the other thing is,   privacy. You know? Like, we should start thinking about privacy   a little more.   And this system or the spirit of it   kinda, you know, infringes on privacy a bit   unless,   it's optional. You know, sharing who you are when you're sending that payment is optional.  

[00:57:27] Unknown:

Yeah. Right? And Yeah. Absolutely.   You don't have you can be a completely private and non wallet. There's no reason that you need to expose who you  

[00:57:35] Unknown:

are. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. And then,   who this information is shared with is also,   a thing. Right? So,   Bitcoin,   whether it's on chain or lightning,   allows you to send the payment directly to the creator   or the creation as you have,   made the blocks out there. And so   the thing   that is missing there is that you still have the existing platforms,   Dave. Right. Alright? So,   I don't see a future where those platforms exist,   sadly.   Right?   I feel   like,   well, if you you are not sure and you probably see it too,   everything is just client these days. Right?   So   well, or it should be a client. So the thing is,   the content should not necessarily be associated too much with the platform.  

You could literally build it out today   as something that works   in a world where the   platforms are gone and everything   is running on a protocol   so that you don't have to ask for anyone's permission.   And,   also,   you probably benefit from something that a lot of us don't,   which is, you're not   techie   to the extreme extent of the word. Right? So you can talk to normal people in normal people language.   So   yeah,   so as soon as you talk about, these platforms,   you are moving further and further away   from   what normal people care about. Right? And, yeah, maybe a a normal person would care about a medium or a Twitter or whatever else, but they care about the article. They care about the video.   They care about so many different things. So what is it about the video and the article   that you and the Superfan app   want   to do? Or or let's not even say app. Let's not even say wallet. Let's do the Superfan protocol. Protocol. Yeah. Exactly.  

Yeah. So,   I would cut out all those things that they don't exist in in the world that we're going in. And,   or even in   in the world that I'm from, I stop building on top of other people's platforms   because they will always you know? If if you gain traction, they will always,   pull the rug on you. If you don't gain traction, they don't care. Right? So   it's like,   why are you even building on top of somebody else's platform?   So, yeah,   that is my only,   well, not my only but, yeah, I think that's the major thing. Like, keep it   build it like you in a world where nothing else exists. Right? You're in a world where   content exists, where art exists, where   videos exist, where consumers of videos exist, and   these   platforms   are not there. So what would you build? Right? Interesting. Okay. Would that?  



[01:00:51] Unknown:

Mhmm. I think so for anybody listening here who's not on Nostr and who doesn't understand the difference between a platform and a protocol, because I think a lot of my listeners may not understand that. I mean, the Bitcoiners and Nostr folks do, but can you just let people know the difference between those 2?  

[01:01:06] Unknown:

Okay. So,   most systems   require a central   server or a central service   to work. Right? And the central service   primary   function is to just say, this is who   did that.   Right? So, when I publish a tweet from the Machangura   8 Triple 3   account on Twitter,   then the Twitter central service is the one that authenticates   and,   presents the information to people who see the tweet, and people who see the tweet are like, oh, since the Twitter central service says this came from machangura a triple g. It must be from Cortazzo or from whoever is behind the machangura handle at the time. So   there   is one of the most major differences with Nostra.  

Nostra   works with public keys and private keys.   So all the content on Nostra is signed by a private key and pinned to a public key. And   when I post   a note or whatever else I'll I'd be posting on Nostra,   they   I have to sign it. Right? And it's not necessarily retrieved from a central service.   It's retrieved   from a relay. Right?   And the person who sees the note or the event or whatever else   has to verify the signature   is actually,   valid for the public key. Right? So since the note is pinned to the public key, the signature is signed using the private key. When you're verifying, you just verify that the public key is the one that,   is associated with the signature. Right? And, hence, you don't need a central service. Right? And   in this world, you don't need,   Medium. You don't need,   Substack.  

You could just do whatever else you are doing   on any platform.   And,   yeah, you still need them because there's a lot of engineering   that they figured out   that,   users want. And and I think this is where I'm I'm seeing a lot of NOSPA devs   diving into now. Like, yo, how do you improve performance? How do we improve user experience?   But, sadly,   they are not talking nomi talk. You know?   Nomi talk is very different. Nomis are okay with a delay   as long as it feels good. You know?   And   techies   are talking milliseconds   and frames per second. And I'm like,   well, frames per second,   I'm   I how how does it make me feel? So yeah. Basically.  



[01:03:59] Unknown:

Interesting. So how what's the adoption rate over in South Africa with   Nostr? Do you have a lot of folks using it? Do they understand it? I don't know.   Do you have meetups? Like, no, it's not something that people are doing or talking about?  

[01:04:13] Unknown:

Yeah. Book on meetups. No. But  

[01:04:15] Unknown:

yeah. But not for Noster so much? Mm-mm. I don't think so. I know. It's definitely it's so niche right now, and I I hope you know, I don't know if you've, you know, have been noticing what's going on over in the UK   with the riots and stuff, and people are starting to get arrested   just because they're retweeting stuff or reposting things on the Internet about what's happening with these riots. And and   it's kinda scary, you know, and and   something just happened with Jordan Peterson up in Canada who, you know, like him or not,   they're trying to get him to do some kind of a reeducation thing because I didn't like the social media that he was posting and the things that he was posting about   child mutilation, you   know, for kids who are doing gender transitions. And so   this is terrifying,   you know, in any part of the world where whatever the powers that be decide   what's truth,   what's acceptable,   who, you know, who gets to decide who's allowed to talk and what you're allowed to say.  

As we see, you know, any of these AI models out there, these LLMs,   they're spitting out bullshit and wrong information. So it's like,   how are we supposed to trust anything other than us?   You know? And and I feel like   we we've really gotta have these   these life rafts of Bitcoin and Noster and other places for people to be able to communicate freely, you know, without feeling like I'm gonna get handcuffed any second. And so,   obviously, we see what's going on in certain parts of the world with with   censorship. What is it like there in,   in Pretoria in South Africa with are you allowed to speak freely? Are you allowed you know, what are yeah. I'm just curious. For now,  

[01:06:01] Unknown:

we are allowed. I I could send the teaching, fuck the president,   and directly tag   him, and nothing bad will happen to me. Actually, there is a tweet like that, and if you go through my profile, you will find it.   But   yeah. But I think it's one of those things where I don't think technology will save us.   Yeah. I   think,   you know   oh, this is also a conversation about privacy tech. Right? Okay.   Monero   or Zcash,   Lightning, whatever is your favorite flavor of privacy technology. Right? 1st and foremost, cash was the most private   way of paying for stuff. Right? Cash.  

Just   the 2 parties involved in the transaction know who paid for what and got what in return   until one of them does the accounting and then publishes the book so that the investors know what happened. But anyway,   that's besides the point.   There,   we moved away from that world recently.   Right?   And now we are talking about,   financial   privacy   as if it's this thing that we never   got to experience.   And even   and this is a direct note to Monero,   lovers. Right?   You need to start buying your groceries   using Monero or whatever   technology   you prefer privately. Right? And   you need to stop to referring to things as the black market and the white market and whatever. A grocery store has   no business about black or white or whatever else. Right? Especially if it's a small business grocery store. And you are more likely to convince a small business grocery store to accept   whatever alternative means of payment you have   than you would be   at a chain or at at a franchise. Right? So do that. And so the other thing is   we do   a lot of normalization   for, you know, the state that the world is in right now as if it has always been this bad. It hasn't been   always this bad. It's a recent thing.  

And we are also paying taxes   that, you know, enable,   the behavior. We,   sometimes not really, but, you know,   if you believe voting matters,   we are sometimes voting these people into power.   And if you know that voting doesn't matter who regardless who you voted for,   these things will continue happening. Right? So these censorship laws would have happened under Trump versus under Biden,   under whoever else. And the I think the reason   they happen is   you defer   power or opinion   or taxes   to somebody else, so you make that somebody else's,   job. Right? And somebody else is interested   in consolidating   their power. Right? So if they could make   one more thing part of their job, then, you know, they get more money. Right? And so they're gonna get, you know, more things to make part of their job. But let's reeducate Jordan Peterson.  

That's a great way to get money. Right? Because how much   do you wanna get paid to reeducate Jordan Peterson? Actually, true question. How much do you wanna get paid to reeducate Jordan Peterson, though? Nothing. I want nothing to do with that. Okay. Okay.   Cool. So somebody's gonna be paid big money to reeducate Jordan Peterson   and you know? So at the end of the day,   Jordan Peterson may have paid some taxes and those taxes are actually going towards his own reeducation if, they can find him. I hope they don't, and I hope he gets away. But That's him.   Yeah. Yeah. So it's one of those things when   if you've deferred your power or your economic output to somebody else, that person now could use that against you. Right?  

Muhammad Ali. I I love, love Muhammad Ali. I love his story. I love   him deciding not to go to war, to fight the Vietnam War.   Mhmm. But I hate the fact that we didn't get to see him in his prime because of it. Right?   4 years, he didn't get to compete because   he was deemed,   as somebody that needs to be reeducated.   I would have loved seeing him, you know, divert that economic output elsewhere. Right?   And I think,   people   do that quite well in other countries, not so much in America because wherever you go, you have to pay American taxes or, what, forfeit your citizenship or something like that.  

[01:10:51] Unknown:

Or go to jail. Or  

[01:10:52] Unknown:

yeah. Or go to jail. Right? Or they're very hard.   Yes. It's very hard for the American slave to actually defer the economic output to something else,   because, you know, the founding fathers forgot to put that in the,   constitution.   And   the other thing,   there was a slide I put in my talk. Right? You know the whole come and take it flag?   Yes.   About getting the second amendment.   Yeah.   And then there's the executive order 6102.   Yes. Oh my god. But in individuals   should forfeit their goal. Right? Yeah. As an outsider, I'm not an American. Right? As an outsider, I'm like, wait. You have the right to bear arms. So shouldn't you have been able   to maintain ownership of your goal? Right? So   as we know, in hindsight,   that didn't happen.  

The average American citizen is not allowed to own gold.   Some may do, right, but the majority don't.   And so   I'm like,   why   in that conversation,   how   will Bitcoin self custody work?   Right?   So you are technically able to custody your own gold,   but then an executive order says you cannot.   Right? You are technically capable   to custody your own Bitcoin.   What are you gonna do when an executive order says you cannot?   Exactly. So yeah. If you have a gun,   I don't know.  

[01:12:35] Unknown:

But yeah. Well, a gun is a gun, whatever. That's if they can come and find you, but I think Mhmm.   This is a big deal that a lot of people don't understand, and it's very Mhmm. Because we're brainwashed into   the banks know better, the banks are safe, we're gonna you know, because we think we need to call customer service, la, la, la.   And so being your own bank   is is something brand new to most of us. It certainly is to me, and and it's like   radical self responsibility.   Even if you have KYC,   Bitcoin, right, you're still holding your Bitcoin. And so however you're self custodying it, there's no   customer service that you're gonna, you know, be able to go get support. But so what a lot of people don't understand and, you know, the difference between KYC and no KYC   Bitcoin is   if you're buying Bitcoin on an exchange, you know, and you're giving your driver's license and the whole 9 yards,   they know that you bought Bitcoin. So you're not even if you go sell it or you try to go mix it or you do anything with your Bitcoin to try to have some privacy,   that first   point of data of your transaction   exists. And so unless you go back and you get rid of that Bitcoin and then figure out how you're gonna go have some true peer to peer Bitcoin,   you're on their radar,   you know? And so, that 6102   order,   you know, they're gonna go after the exchanges first and say, give us your list of who bought Bitcoin. And then they're just gonna go down the list and see who's got the most and come try to take it and threaten all of us. And so,   this is not a joke. A lot of people are like, They're never gonna do it. And like they've already done it and they're already censoring people. And so,   tiny bit by tiny bit, there's gonna be financial censorship. There's obviously censorship on our voices.  

Kamala is talking about, you know, taking our guns away. And so, it's just like, Wait a minute, people.   So, I think, you know, a lot of people don't understand CBDCs that are on the table that, you know, that they're going to start trying to implement all over the place,   to, you know, truly financially censor us and manipulate and control our behavior   through that lens. If you can't go buy milk for your kid because they shut your bank account down and they're only gonna let you have a little bit of, you know, food this week, like, you're gonna do whatever you need to do to get your child's milk.   Okay? And if you don't have any other way to go transact with the rest of the world to go get goods and services,   you're at the mercy of these centralized   authoritarian,   kraken,   evil people as far as I'm concerned, and they are. You know? And so it's so important that we understand what we're fighting for, and it's this is just the beginning. Like, this digital war is, like,   it's a baby,   you know? And what is it like there? Like, do you do you guys feel like you're having   that issue that's gonna come up against you with financial censorship?  



[01:15:31] Unknown:

Yeah. South Africa is a is a weird place. Right? So   I don't feel like it's a issue.   Good. Well, okay. But before I give you the answer, I think the biggest issue is self censorship.  

[01:15:46] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Interesting.  

[01:15:47] Unknown:

Yeah. So,   regardless of whether or not we're gonna have CBDCs, whether or not they're gonna come for your Bitcoin,   A lot of people are already self centering, and they have already self,   you know,   getting   a non KYC Bitcoin as they call it. And   so   they may not ever have to because,   a lot of people   will probably   not do all that they need to do to make sure that if they try, they're gonna have a hard time. But, anyway,   then,   for South Africa,   South Africa has a history. You know?   It   used to be ruled by an apartheid state   and recently as of 1993.  

Not anymore. Right? But the history is still there, and,   the leftovers of that history are still there. Right?   So,   recently, I was thinking that, yo, the inflation in South Africa is so bad   that white South Africans   feel like they're being racially discriminated against. Right?   Because, you know, technically speaking and historically speaking, white South Africans   have not had   to compete on the same level economically with the rest of the population.   And,   consequently,   inflation   was a thing where it you know, the the black population was getting debased instead of the white population.   And now they seem racially discriminated   against because now, you know, everyone is getting debased instead of one specific group   for the benefit of the minority.  

And so then   you look at   or the what I just said is basically   the conversation   everywhere. Right? Everyone feels like they're being racially discriminated   against. Everyone feels like everyone is pointing fingers at the wrong person.   And,   yeah, I think South Africa has a lot of potential. It has a lot of great people, great minds.   Even Southern Africa,   for me is like, you know, we're one   big dysfunctional family,   because nobody gets along with each other. And   everyone kind of works together in some way, shape, or form.   And   we could do a lot more if, you know, we figured out how to   make peace with the situation,   but   it is what it is. And so what is happening now is,   financially,   a lot of people   are coming into money for the first time. Right? And   all they are seeing are corrupt politicians   use money. Right? Yeah. So   a lot of people believe that they may need to be corrupt themselves   to actually   have money. Right? And,   the other thing is a lot of people   can do a lot of valuable work, but they just don't know how valuable the work that they could do is.  

And they still have the belief that you'd either have to be corrupt   or,   a thief to actually have 1,000,000 when you, you know, you could just create value, millions worth of value, especially a 1000000 rands, as compared to the dollars, like, $100,000.   Wait. It's actually $50,000.   Wow. Inflation is bad, guys.   $50,000   is   900,000,   rands. 100   man, 1,000,000 rands is $54,000.   So, you know, a person could create $54,000   worth of value and have a million in South Africa.   Wow. But corruption,   crime, and everything else,   is the way that a lot of people prefer to   do it instead of the hard way or the value creating way. And I feel like that is holding us back in multiple aspects.  

And,   yeah, and people generally don't trust the government because of our history. Right? And   that's a good and a bad thing. And, yeah, it's a good to not never trust. You have to verify.   And bad because then   the people in government   are working not in good faith most of the time. So yeah.  

[01:20:19] Unknown:

Wow. That's   incredible, and I've it's   I don't know how people deal with this type of an inflationary   situation,   you know, and, obviously, Bitcoin is a tool for us. But this is something you know, you were talking about peace earlier, and, obviously, Bitcoin for peace is something I'm very passionate about. It's my message. It's my part of my mission.   How do you feel that Bitcoin can   contribute to inner peace and   peace among others in communities.  

[01:20:49] Unknown:

Well, I think, ultimately,   the thing we will see   is Bitcoin will make more and more people who use it,   able to buy weapons. You know? So if you couldn't afford a AK 47 before, you know, with Bitcoin, you can.   If you cannot afford a drone   with Bitcoin, you can. And you should actually   buy yourself a drone and   try to use it or learn how to use it. You never know when you need to.   It's one of those things. If you know how to use it, you probably never need to use it.   Yeah. Yeah. You should always just be ready. Right?   Peace is one of those things where   a bully will always want to be a bully,   especially   if they know that no one is going to do anything   in return, in retaliation.  

Right? And yeah. So,   sadly,   usually,   the per the only person who can stop a bully is a bigger bully. Right?   America versus Japan, 2 nuclear bombs that plow and plow on civilians.   So,   yeah,   if you are ready, though, you don't have to worry about bullies.   You don't have to be a bigger bully. You just have to be big enough that the bully understands that, okay. If I do dare with that guy right there, I'm gonna have a problem, or I'm gonna be too weak for the next guy to come along. Right? Which is why America hasn't went to war with Russia,   hasn't went to war with China.  

Who else has America not gone to war with? It's a probably a short list.  

[01:22:29] Unknown:

Yeah. I know. We're we're I I don't wanna talk about our horribleness and wars right now. Obviously, we're about to go into another war in the Middle East. Uh-huh. Yeah.   That's not gonna be fun,   for any I just I just I, you know, I was Aspetsky was on the show a couple days ago, and we were talking about, you know,   you know, whatever it is, whether it's Bitcoin, whether it's music, whether it's meditation, whether it's, you know, thoughtful communication,   like, they're all just tools. Like, unless we actually know how to use them from our hearts   and, you know, caring for ourselves and caring for each other and caring for the planet,   we're still gonna be operating out of this like survival mode, you know, caveman mindset, you know? And so, until we can truly   blend, you know, the inner technologies   of love and feeling safe and feeling like we have enough   with the outer technologies of, you know, Bitcoin and, you know, building things,   like, that bridge has to happen in order for us to build this new future,   you know, because you can have a hammer and it's the best hammer in the world, but if it's sitting in the toolbox   and it's not in the hands of a skilled carpenter,   it's just gonna, you know, it's not gonna do anything effective. And   so I think for all of us that get excited about these great tools and technology,   it's still like we still have to use them from a human perspective,   you know, and thinking for the future for our children and and for their children's children.  



[01:23:58] Unknown:

Mhmm. And you know what's worse than a hammer Go ahead. Sitting in the toolbox?  

[01:24:02] Unknown:

Say it again in the toolbox.  

[01:24:04] Unknown:

Do you know what's worse than a hammer sitting in a toolbox?  

[01:24:09] Unknown:

Tell me.  

[01:24:10] Unknown:

A hammer that does not want to hit a nail.  

[01:24:13] Unknown:

Oh,   dude. That's a sad, sad hammer. It's not doesn't know how to live to its full purpose and potential.  

[01:24:21] Unknown:

This this just out here, man. You you have nails all over the place, and it just won't hit 1. And it's like, okay.  

[01:24:29] Unknown:

Oh my god. Dude,   that's seriously like, I think about,   you know and I don't know if you're referring to, like, people who haven't found their purpose yet or if they haven't stepped in to claim their purpose and their power. Right? Because   I think all of us have something beautiful that lives within us. You know, that's our that's our magic. It's our spark. It's our it is a special purpose. And   so, some people, like, I just changed the name of the podcast to the DJ Valerie B. Show, Valerie B. Love Show because I love Bitcoin. Obviously, I'm a monster evangelist. But   trying to go out into other audiences that aren't Bitcoiners, Like, the minute you say Bitcoin, they're just like,   go away. I don't wanna talk to you.  

And so rather than collaborating them over the head with this, I'll try to be more creative in the conversations. But   I was afraid because of my ego   that I didn't wanna step into something that just had my name on it because it was like, oh, it's not about you, Val. You need to you know? And now I'm recognizing, like, if I don't step into my power and own that I'm a hammer and I'm supposed to go hit some nails, I'm not gonna go be the most effective me. You know? And so it's it's taken some,   courage   to kind of feel confident to go do this. But   I want like, do you feel like you're I mean, because you seem like you're somebody who's very much living in his purpose and who understands your purpose.  

Like, what advice would you have for somebody who maybe is out there   struggling with, you know, the confidence to step forward into their purpose?  

[01:25:56] Unknown:

That's a dark conversation. I don't think I wanna have that on this call. Okay. Okay. Well, the better one.   Yeah. But   in short, it's a very, very dark response.  

[01:26:07] Unknown:

I It's a very what?  

[01:26:09] Unknown:

Dark response.   Oh, okay.  

[01:26:13] Unknown:

Okay. Do you want we'll save it for another time?  

[01:26:16] Unknown:

Yeah. Plug me. Plug me. Okay. Perfect. That's fair enough.  

[01:26:19] Unknown:

And I know it's getting late where you are, so we'll we'll we'll tidy up here.   Any thoughts or comments that you wanna share with the audience and help them understand, like, how can they support you, how can they support   what you're up to in helping, you know, get themselves educated on Bitcoin,   so that we can, you know, keep moving the needle forward.  

[01:26:40] Unknown:

Okay. Well, the first thing, actually, probably the first and the last thing, never ever in your life use fiat again.   Like, make sure that you do not for 1 minute in your life use fiat. Right? So,   yeah. Do whatever you can to just   pay for stuff using Bitcoin. Pay for   barter for stuff before you could even consider using fiat.   And, yeah, if you do that, we all good. We probably gonna have a good time for   decades, centuries to come,   and even millenniums to come.   But, yeah, the more you use Fiat, the more problems you'll have, and there's nothing we'll be able to do to fix those problems.   And what else? Yeah. I think the that is the major thing. But, otherwise, you could, just, visit the website, which is machangura.  

My well, it's machangura.com.   But if you don't know how to spell that, you could just visit 8333.mobi.   That's 8333.mobi,   and it's the default bitcoin port dotmobi.   And, yeah,   you'll see us there, and you'll find all our social medias at the bottom of the website.   We have our Nostra in pub there. I haven't been posting much to the Nostra, but I'll probably start, posting more often.   We have a chat dot machangura.com,   which is where we basically   talk on a more regular basis,   some of the things we work on.   And,   yeah, I think that's about it. But make it a point to never use Fiat again in your life, k, and,   will be good. I don't I I don't really know how you're gonna do it, but,   just just just do your bit.  



[01:28:25] Unknown:

I think it's such good advice, and I know I have to obviously live up to this, and I I still use fiat in in many parts of my transactions.   Tell people why. I mean, this is important because, you know, I I you know, we just did a Bitcoin for Peace thing with   21 Voices and Swan and it's like a, you know, a vote for Bitcoin is a vote for peace, right? So the opposite is true. Every time you use fiat, what's happening?   You know, you've In one word, war?   Yeah, violence. Exactly. You're perpetuating the the the forever war machine.   And   the more that we can really connect the dots for ourselves and, you know, our our friends and our family and our audiences,   you know, the better that's gonna be because   these forever money printers that can keep   printing bombs through the form of money   will just keep these wars going. They'll keep the military industrial complex   fed and fat   and it's gonna keep killing children, it's gonna keep hurting   the planet, hurting nature. And so, the more that we can understand why the base layer of peace is the money,   you know, I think that we can start thinking about   the better future, hopefully, a big bright orange future for ourselves. So Yeah.  



[01:29:44] Unknown:

And I I think the the other way to look at it is also this,   Inflation or an inflationary   monetary system   requires you to   well, the value   that the money symbolizes still has to be done by somebody else. Right? So the person,   the Kantian effect, the person who's at the front of the line or the person right next to the money printer   benefits at the disadvantage   of the person who's further down the money printer. Right? Yeah. So,   yeah, effectively,   if you want to beat an inflationary   monetary,   system,   what you do is create money out of thin air. You know? Create value out of thin air.   You can create value over the long term or, you know, just say this is valuable and then have people pay for it.  

But then what that requires is debasement of somebody else. Right? That's why the debasement is usually through war because   war,   is the quickest way to burn through money. You know? You make a $1,000,000 bomb, and you can blow it up in one go. Even a $1,000,000 bullet, actually, you can blow it up in one go. So if you have enough wars, you can you know, all you need is, like, a 1,000 bullets and you spend $1,000,000,000.   And, you know, the GDP is going up and everybody is happy, but   except for the people whose lives got debased.   So   I generally feel like whenever the Bitcoin price dips like it has in the past week,   that's an indicator of a major global event.  

I feel like we're about to see somebody getting debased.   I just don't know who.   South Africa is always next in line. Well, very close, next in line. I think as soon as the Olympics conclude, we'll know who that person is or who those people are,   and they will be debased   in the most extreme fashion because,   Gaza is currently happening.   And,   as bad as it is in Gaza, it's still going on. You know? As bad as everyone is seeing that, oh,   this is a genocide and there's, you know, nothing no excuse they could make for it.   You know, it's still going on, and I have a sense that something else, as you were saying, with Iran,   if that all starts, it's probably gonna be worse than,   we can imagine.  

And   yeah.   So don't use fiat because, ultimately,   it is   perpetuating that cycle that money is being inflated and somebody else has to be debased.   And the answer,   was in a Rick and Morty episode   where Rick,   effectively set the value of the currency they were using a,   I think,   season 4 episode 1 to 0, and then people just went crazy, or the elite just went crazy because all the money was worthless.   And with the dollar, as soon as people stop using it, it's worthless again. So,   yeah, so avoid using the dollar. Avoid using the rand.   Understand that the borders around your country   are gonna be very fuzzy if they are still gonna be there,   if, you know, Bitcoin works how it's supposed to work.  



[01:33:09] Unknown:

I love it. This is great advice, and I hope everybody listens and follows you and make sure that they   keep getting educated on on, you know,   their financial future and peace and how we can keep,   you know, keep the wars low, hopefully,   through these means and mechanisms. And let's go listen to some music too and have some fun while we're here, when we're still alive. I see you have a Prince cover   on your wall there forever. Prince is Prince is my boyfriend, actually.   Even though he's not   I wish. I've always been madly in love with Prince. He's like my,   he's such a great I mean,   I I got to see him in concert a couple of times, and I wasn't I didn't know what to expect because I was just thinking, you know, Purple Rain stuff from when I was a kid. And,   I mean, he's just such a virtuoso and such a performer and just   the most powerful presence. You know? And he's not a giant man. I mean, he obviously passed away, but,   but, yeah, my son was born on his birthday, actually, so it's kind of interesting. And   but but, yeah, Prince is just wow. But this is this is, you know, immortality. Right? Like, he's immortal. Like, this man and the music and the love and what he's given us, and every time we hear a song from him or anybody, like, we get   we have an emotional experience.  

You know? And so it's just it's just magic. So keep listening to music, everybody, and I wanna hear some of your raps. Like, do you have anything recorded that you can send me that you would be willing to share? Really? Yeah. I'll I'll I'll send you a mixtape. I'll send you a mixtape. Send me a mixtape. I wanna hear some stuff, and it let me know if it's I can post it or if you just want me to keep it private, but I'd love to hear.   But, yeah, everybody, thanks so much for tuning in, and thanks, KG, for for being with us. You are such a stellar human. I love this conversation, and   I just love what you're doing.  

Are you gonna be in,   at ABC or in El Salvador? Are you what are you are you doing any events up here?  

[01:35:11] Unknown:

ABC, yes.   El Salvador, maybe not.   El Salvador has, like, a $1,000 tax on Africans and Indians, and I'm an African.   I'm not sure. May I may be a descendant of Indian. I don't know. But, that $1,000 is actually a lot of money.  

[01:35:27] Unknown:

A $1,000 tax to get to El Salvador?  

[01:35:30] Unknown:

Yes. Right? That technically, we don't have to pay, but,   the airline is enforcing the rule,   to the most extreme   of, well, the airline we would use as Africans, the most convenient airline for us is enforcing the rule. So, yeah, a lot of people   are not able a lot of Africans are not able to get to El Salvador.   I don't feel like   paying a   $1,000, or fighting over why I paid the $1,000 when I didn't have to. So I may not be in El Salvador this year,   may come next year to visit because it's a great place. You know? I love the beach. I love the people. I   love the air, and   I'll definitely be there again, but I don't think,   I'll be able to make it for adopting Bitcoin.  

It's a wonderful conference that I highly recommend if one goes. Yeah.   I'll be at SalesConsto   in Brazil,   and I may be at the BitConf as well. Yeah. Okay. Cool. And   I may also be well, I'm definitely going to Thailand for  

[01:36:35] Unknown:

the Thailand Bitcoin conference. When is that? I don't know anything about the Thailand one. When is that? I think in September.   This oh, this year, like, in a month. No way. I gotta I need a whole list. I I'm I'm I'm I'm falling behind on all these events.   But I'm trying to get you up to to StatsConf too in Brazil. That would be nice to see you down there and ABC if I can get over there. That's my bucket list.  

[01:36:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, alright. And   it's for me well, I always love going to places where I don't need to apply for a visa. So Brazil, Thailand, El Salvador,   except for the $1,000 for El Salvador   are like places I love.   And,   yeah, I'll I'll be there.  

[01:37:18] Unknown:

Alright. Cool. Maybe I'll look at I'll look at,   Thailand and see what's going on there. Maybe I can get my butt over there.   Alright. Well, everybody, stay tuned and, make sure just I never even asked you. I should have asked you this right in the beginning. What what does Machankoda mean? What does it stand for?  

[01:37:37] Unknown:

It's a South African slang term for money.  

[01:37:40] Unknown:

It's a slang for money. Machankoda is money. Okay. Cool. So alright. More money, more money.   More sats, more sats. Let's go.   Mhmm. Right. For sure. For sure. Cool. Alright. Well, thank you again so much. And, for everybody tuning in, thanks for for watching and listening, and I hope you guys have the best day of your whole life because it is the only one you know you're gonna get.   And until next time, we'll talk to you soon. And thanks again, KJ, for taking all this time and sharing your wisdom with the the audience here. And, we'll talk to you soon, everyone. Be present. You bet. Peace, love,