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Don't miss Maya Parbhoe, a presidential candidate of Suriname and the CEO and founder of Daedalus Labs.

"Yes, though I’ve said no to requests over the past 6 years from multiple political parties, being an activist, fighting against corruption, I couldn’t say no as our country is reaching an inflection point these next elections. With offshore oil royalties being the target for old corrupt politicians, it’s time for change, with broad support from the private sector and 40% of voters under 35, we actually have a shot at winning and building a better future.
With a population of only ~600K and a GDP of $2.8B, no financial infrastructure or developed capital market. Our country is ideally suited for Bitcoin and Nostr adoption. "

• Maya shares her journey from being a staunch opponent of politics to running for president, driven by her mission to make Suriname more fair, equitable, and free through Bitcoin adoption. 
• She discusses the challenges of corruption in Suriname, the need for a new development strategy, and her vision for using Bitcoin to solve real-world problems.
• Maya also talks about her innovative company, Daedalus Labs, and its project, Resin, which aims to revolutionize real estate investment by allowing people to buy homes without down payments or long-term debt, using a Bitcoin standard. 
• She emphasizes the importance of education and community involvement in driving Bitcoin adoption in Suriname.
• The conversation touches on the broader implications of Bitcoin adoption, the role of visionary leaders, and the importance of creating economic incentives for positive change. Maya shares her personal experiences, the support she's received from the community, and her plans for the future, including an upcoming Bitcoin conference in Suriname.

https://www.daedaluslabs.io/
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https://www.daedaluslabs.io/resin

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(00:00:02) Introduction and Guest Overview

(00:01:42) Maya Parvoo's Presidential Candidacy

(00:04:31) Bitcoin Adoption in Suriname

(00:07:01) Challenges in Suriname's Infrastructure

(00:16:24) Safety Concerns and Political Risks

(00:18:29) Comparisons with El Salvador

(00:21:12) Suriname's Forests and Local Communities

(00:27:54) Bitcoin Education and Community Engagement

(00:32:29) Daedalus Labs and Real Estate Innovation

(00:42:08) Equity and Refinancing with Bitcoin

(00:45:02) Future Plans and Launching Products

(00:50:41) Balancing Work and Self-Care

(00:56:06) Upcoming Bitcoin Conference in Suriname

(01:01:20) Inspirations and Leadership

(01:04:29) Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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[00:00:03] Unknown:

What would it be like to have   another president who is a Bitcoin proponent?   And if this president happens to be female, wouldn't that be magical, a double dose of goodness?   My next guest, Maya Parvoo, you guys cannot miss this. She is a presidential candidate   of Suriname and she is also   the CEO and founder   of Daedalus Labs and she's helping to allow people to get into real estate using Bitcoin. So we had a really great conversation. I'm so excited to   introduce her to you and the audience and letting you guys know,   wow, Bitcoin is starting to take fire in all of these different places all over the world and places that need it the most.  

We are very privileged here in the Western world and especially folks who are using the dollar,   even though the dollar is losing purchasing power as we speak,   it's still not as horrible as many countries that are suffering from 50 to 60%   year over year inflation. And so that's why Bitcoin is solving problems for people in different parts of the world. So please tune in and I can't wait for you guys to listen to this. It's been a great, great   Hey, aloha. Get ready for an epic episode. And if you love it, please share it. You know why? Because you got the love. Enjoy, my friends.   Hey. Aloha, love tribe. Welcome to Bitcoin for Peace. This is DJ Valerie Beloved. And I have somebody here with me who is on a monumental   mission   to make her   country more fair, equitable, and free with Bitcoin. Welcome, Maya Parbo, who is gonna be running for president of Suriname   Suriname Suriname. I know I gotta get the name right. John I had John on here, and now he he's like, Val, it's you're not saying it right.  



[00:02:09] Unknown:

Yeah. It's Sudinama.  

[00:02:11] Unknown:

Sudinama.   Maya Parbu. How's it going, sister? The first female Bitcoin president. Let's go.   I'm good. How are you? Did I'm good. Did you just wake up one morning and you're like, I'm gonna do this? Like, how did this all come about? Tell everybody what you are. What's your mission here?  

[00:02:28] Unknown:

Oh, no. I'm I'm very much against politics actually and and,   government. Yeah.  

[00:02:34] Unknown:

But here you are going to lead the the government on a mission.  

[00:02:38] Unknown:

Well, I am I am   running   in the elections.   So that is the goal. Yes. Yes.   Yeah. But, no, it it didn't   it didn't actually   come up even as an as an option or at least I I didn't   agree to join any political party for the last 6 years while I was advocating here for Bitcoin adoption,   and development of the capital market,   and just financial infrastructure in our country in general.   I always said no because I was very much against politics and politicians here is very corrupt.   Mhmm.   And you usually have this feeling of if you join   your, you know, you're either gonna be there long enough to become the bad guy or they're gonna make you out to be the bad guy, which is is usually the situation here.  

So entrepreneurs,   technocrats tend to stay far away from politics.   And   I'd been lobbying to to get, you know, the same adoption or level of adoption as El Salvador and,   you know, there's actually opportunity for more in Suriname because we have,   you know, a greater lack of infrastructure than than El Salvador has. They're a lot more developed than we are.   So the opportunity to innovate is is bigger and you're actually building, like, a lot of that that old   system that Bitcoin was built to to to replace,   building that from scratch,   here.  

So I was advocating for that for the last 6 years and I'd been asked by multiple political parties to join,   you know, politics and then actually,   join,   actually be a part of the elections, but I'd always said no   until,   last year, I went to   Bitcoin Miami, and, that's where I'm at Samsung, or I was introduced to Samsung, and I started,   to ask, like, okay. How do I get what they did in in El Salvador in Suriname?   You know, we need a similar sovereign bond in Suriname. We we can do a lot of the same   that that they've been doing there or that Gen 3 had been doing there. And then, basically, Edwin told me you need to get Samson on a flight to Suriname   and talk to the government. So I I've been   having meetings with him for the last year.  

And November last year, he came to Suriname.   And that's when we actually, you know, had meetings with the president, with the central bank,   meetings with several officials here and,   you know, chairman of the banking commission   and and and different   people at at, some influential companies here, CEOs.   And after a while, Samsung started just saying, like, you need to to to run,   you need to run.  

[00:05:24] Unknown:

You're like, dude.  

[00:05:26] Unknown:

Yeah. Exactly. That was very response. It was like   didn't sign up for this, dude. No. This this is not hap no. It's not happening. It's not happening. This but, then at a certain point, I had discussions here with,   you know, people there's a group of technocrats that do wanna change   this country for the better. So I spoke to people that I know that have been,   either involved in protests last year,   know, people that have,   participated in the previous elections. I talked to other party leaders,   and   influential people in the private sector. And then once I realized that there was a need   for change and that there was   support   if I did   join, you know, join or join   go into politics because we're not   trying to,   be a part of, you know, the system of old politics, old guard.  

Those are very   corrupt   corrupt individuals,   corrupt   parties, and and and they just have a history of of ruining this country for the last 50 years.   That's when we we decided to to to move forward.   And it's still early on in the process. I mean, we're we're about a year out from the elections.   So it's it's gonna get a lot busier about 6 months before the elections.   Right now, we're very much focused on, you know, our development strategy for their country. There's basically been none,   or not an actual development strategy for for for this country. We have a specific set of problems that need to be addressed that have never been addressed. There's no vision for how to develop this country,   how to diversify away from, you know, the sectors that we have or or diversify,   towards a a future that we can actually build upon.  

Sectors like education, health care, those are are severely,   they've they've they've gone backward, and   and they've they've been so bad in the in the last couple of years even with COVID. You know, the the constant,   the constant interruptions, for example, in education,   health care has has been detrimental.   It's we're losing nurses.   We're   we don't have enough supplies in the hospitals right now, like basic supplies like IV bags and things like that.   Specialists are leaving,   doctors are leaving just because the pay is is   it's it's, you know, depressing. Like, some some doctors here earn $300   a month.  

Right? So they move to other countries in the region to to earn a better salary there,   where they don't have to make a decision   about who lives or dies every 5 minutes.   So we're very focused on just   creating solutions   to problems like that or helping others that are already working on on solutions for problems like that.   So we're not running a campaign, you know, similar to what you're familiar with in the US or which you're familiar with in in Europe   that   basically you have debates or you go on TV and then you have, like, these these ads constantly running here. It it works a lot differently. You have gatherings,   events,   and we're very much focused on actually doing.  

Just not not just saying, but actually just doing and   showing that things can be different and and be done differently. So he wants we just want to focus on,   actually giving back to the community by   solving, some of these problems,   you know, as much as we can in the next year.   And then heading into the elections then,   basically, you know, hitting for,   gas.  

[00:09:22] Unknown:

Mhmm.   So so you've gone from being allergic to politics to jumping in and,   you know, there is what you said. There's obviously a risk, like, once you're in that system,   you know, it's like how do you make sure you can maintain that integrity that you're going in   with, you know? And so, how are you developing a team around you that's supporting this vision?  

[00:09:44] Unknown:

So the the team around me, I've already known   for, you know, some some longer than a decade, some a bit shorter, but, they're all prominent figures in this country. They've all been fighting   for, you know, either if it's forest preservation   or or other things. It's the, like, the team around you, the people that are focused on actually developed developing this country,   People that that already show integrity,   you know, outside of politics and and and that are not in politics.   It it is become,   you know, most of our politicians   don't have   basic degrees.  

It's it's basically become like a career option here and a source for, you know, bribery and corruption.   So that's the only way what how how they see that they can make   a couple of 100 k or or 1,000,000,   and they see no other opportunity outside of politics for that. So   we   the the team we I have around me are people that, you know, are not a part of the system. They're they're outside of the system and they don't wanna be a part of that system either. They want to build a new   system. Mhmm. And which,   you know, the you can't   completely prevent corruption unless   you put in the the foundation and the frameworks in place to actually sustain a system without you know, that does not allow for corruption, which is why I'm such an advocate of of the adoption of Bitcoin here and being able to track government spending   using Bitcoin. Right? You can where you can immediately basically see   where funds are are being spent and how they're being spent. And I I truly believe that there needs to be less government involvement in many   industries and many,   many sectors in this country such as health care and education, for example. Everything that the government touches in this country   completely goes to shit.  

Like, if you look at at our energy industry, it's it's just   completely   going downhill   constantly. And that is just because of the interest of   a select few in the country   that benefit   from corruption in these utility companies.   And that is being revealed right now. There's massive amounts of corruption being unveiled within the the electricity and then,   the energy sector.   So   you basically have that   that that that   distrust from the people already towards, you know, anything being government owned or managed because those usually fail. They end up with massive amounts of debt.   There, you know, there's a lot of nepotism.  

People get politically placed into these boards in as as a management while they're not even qualified or don't have the skills to actually manage or or run these businesses.   And, you know, the utility company, the water company, the gold mining company owned by the by the the government, the,   the the telco, for example. Everything in this country that is touched by government fails,   and it's all always corruption. So I see no other way for this country to be able to develop and it's it's now or never because we have,   massive amounts of offshore oil that'll be   going into development   starting 2028.  

So once you start heading into 2028   and,   you know, getting this type of development,   happening offshore   and these massive amounts of royalties flowing in, we've seen previously   what previous governments have done with with royalties   from our natural resources go coming into the country. Natural resources in this country are not controlled,   in a way that it benefits the majority or that it even benefits the development of this country.   It is managed in a way that it only benefits a   select few or government officials and those surrounding them. And, I mean, this is this is inherent globally. This is something that is happening globally. It's not something that is only happening here, but it's happening here to a very, very, very, very, very broad extent   and very,   it's it's deeply nestled into,   you know, how government in this country operates.  

And we basically   need to to change it right now. We need to change it after the next elections. Otherwise, this country is is doomed.   There is a severe,   mismanagement   constantly at at a government level   and even,   to such an extent that our,   you know, our institutions   are are failing.   You know, I mean, central banks inherently   are known for for printing, but for example, I just received numbers from open market operations being done by our central bank   with interest rates that are the highest in the world for short term, treasury deposits,   which is basically making the banks richer,   but,   you know, creating so much money and putting so much SRD into circulation into a currency that is already so inflated. And,   you know, we have so much inflation in this country basically that it's it's it's the average salary is about a 175   US a month, and it's only getting worse.  

So that will come into   circulation   in about 9 months right after the elections. So that's when you'll see, you know, another spike in inflation.   So even our institutions are failing.   You know, the   the attorney general in our in our country, for example, is completely not independent whatsoever.   She doesn't   go after try you know, anything basically that might involve our current president. So all of the scandals that have been revealed in the past couple of years, they've all died. They've all been swept under the rug.   And basically, our news does not reach,   you know, international media or it doesn't, like, not everything gets put into international media. What what happens here? We're a very unknown country. Most people don't even know where we are in the world, but we're we're going to be one of the world's global leaders in oil. So we can either   adapt and change and and be, you know, a force for good or we we get corrupt criminals,   former drug dealers, former former dictators   as leadership.  

And, you know, that will be one of the world's global powers. So do do we really want another Venezuela or do we want some you know, a country that will be a force for for   good or good change globally.  

[00:16:24] Unknown:

And how, you know, this is obviously a big role that you're taking on and,   you know, how are you staying safe if you've got   in in a community with a lot of corruption, obviously, there's people who are gonna wanna stay in power. They grip it, you know, until   somebody pries it out of their hands. And so, obviously, as a woman, as an entrepreneur,   you know, how are you and, obviously, as a Bitcoiner, how are you navigating,   making sure that you're taking, you know, making sure that you're gonna be safe on this journey?  

[00:16:55] Unknown:

Well, I've I've, already had,   you know,   threats and and conversations where you you get the message, like, you need to be,   stay out of the stay out of the media or be silent. And,   you know, like, apparently, some   older influential   political leader or person in the country   actually said,   you know, we should just clean her up.   Like,   yeah, this is something that happens on this side of the world, unfortunately.   So it's, I can only laugh about it because I'm I'm honestly, I have no idea how how else to to to to deal with this type of intimidation.   Yeah.  

But I've had conversations   with,   security and,   I've gotten a lot of support from the community as well. People reaching out, trying to to figure out how to, you know, solve for things like that.   And there is support in terms of security. So we're we're putting that into place,   you know, hopefully sooner rather than later. But, yeah, I did that is one of   the the risks that you take,   you know, taking on a risk like that or taking on an a responsibility like that in jurisdiction like this or in a region like this.   Specifically one that is as opaque as ours is, you know, kind of like El Salvador was relatively unknown before   before Bukele did what Bukele did. But   if he can manage to survive   in in that environment, I think we I think I should be fine here.  



[00:18:29] Unknown:

And and I love that you just brought him up. I wanted to ask you. Obviously, he's,   you know,   setting an example, you know, for how to do nation state adoption.   Obviously the first experiment and petri dish of of adoption,   and making Bitcoin legal tender. Are you guys   are you hanging out, having some coffee, talking about how to   how to how to adopt the playbook and and and overlay that into in Suriname?  

[00:18:58] Unknown:

No. No. We actually we have not.   You know, hopefully, after the elections   or somewhere, we'll we'll have a discussion. But I think,   you know, it's 2 different countries, 2 different histories.   Although there are a lot of similarities,   although,   you know, we we are a part of the same,   same region,   It is still a completely different culture here. It's completely different dynamics,   demographics. It's it's   we're   a lot bigger than El Salvador in terms of land mass.   We have a much smaller population.   We have about 600,000   ish people.  

So it's a very small   population.   We were Dutch speaking, so we're the only one on the continent that actually speak Dutch. So we we we have different types of ethnicities   here as well. We're a mix   of of, you know,   creole, maroon, in native Indian,   Indian,   Dutch,   Chinese, Javanese.   So it's a melting pot of of different ethnicities and and cultures. So culturally, it's it's it's a lot different.   So I think even though there are a lot of similarities   in terms   of, you know, the the the ideals or the vision or what what you   you why you're you're a Bitcoiner and why you want Bitcoin to be adopted by your country, I think we do have different strategies on how to implement that in in our country. I think ours is,   going to take a bit of a different or need a bit of a different approach.  



[00:20:32] Unknown:

Yeah. And I think that's something for all of us to know. I mean, whether you're an individual, an organization   or or a country, it's like there's no,   cookie cutter way to, you know, integrate Bitcoin into our lives because we might have different needs and some people might need more privacy, some people might need more,   protection, etcetera. So I think there's a lot of, you know, learning to be done there that it's not a one size fits all approach.   So last week so,   right before we hit record,   I was just telling you, you know, the audience, I got referred to you by John Godschalk who I got to interview last week,   from BIOTARA,   and I met him on Summit at Sea.  

And he was saying that 9 90, 95%   of Suriname is covered by   forest, rainforest, and forest? 9 93.   93. I'm sorry. 99%   forest. So that's a lot.   And and so how is it, you know,   are people,   you know, in different remote areas? Are they understanding what Bitcoin is? Because we're you know, when I was getting to share, you know, his story, he was talking about his business model and how he wants to help, you know, integrate Bitcoin into his workflow and helping the folks be more,   autonomous, getting the middlemen out of their their flow. So   what is it like for the different local   communities? And, you know, thinking in terms of circular economy for the country and then in the micro   regions, you know, where folks are? How   do people get it? Are people understanding what Bitcoin can do for them yet? So so we're we're,  

[00:22:08] Unknown:

in the city, you have, you know,   around 200 +1000   people.   And it's it's not a city as you know, it's not like one of the major metropolitan,   cities in in in the world. It's a it's a very small city with wooden buildings. It's a UNESCO heritage site. It's, you know, it's still colonial time buildings,   in the city primarily and outside of the city of the urban areas where people live.   And then you have basically   the largest part of the country, which is just green and forested and,   in this, so in in little fragmented   villages,   aside the rivers, that's where you have,   little villages,   little communities,   that live there with, you know, populations ranging from a couple of 100 to a couple of 1000,   the largest one being around 1700,   1900,   people. So not that that,   big. So every village is is, let's say, alongside the river, heading south in the country. And John is primarily focusing on, you know, bringing development to those area, educating them on the use of of using Bitcoin instead of being able to, you know or or using,   our local currency, which is hard for them to use going back and forth to the city.  

Yeah. So there have been educational efforts.   I think the the main thing that they're struggling with is is funding   for these projects, you know, being able to   fund people actually going out to these villages, being able to to fund the,   you know, like the local projects, for example, I think there's a stingless bee project that was very interesting that that they've developed,   natural herbs.   John's working on on bio the the bio economy on, bioeconomy, so,   different types of solutions.   But, you know, it it takes a while to get funding and to to get a project like that, for example, up and running.   So in terms of education, it's, you know, slow and steady.  

Up to now, it's   basically been me,   as a single person army in this country,   you know, trying to educate, going on TV and the media and then educating about Bitcoin, but I feel that there is a need   for, you know, broader education. So we're working with,   also with the g the the the the, Helen, who's who's Ben Fanon's wife from from Gen 3 has been helping us. Oh, cool.   So it's, like, set up, a Meet Premier node here, get Meet   premier,   Bitcoin in in Suriname. So there there will be more education. We've been working on development of an education center. So hopefully that opens early June,   and then that can get started and people have a place to go and and learn more.  

But we have noticed that the meetups, for example, we have a monthly meetup here,   on 21st of every month. We've noticed that that has gone from 2 to 3 people coming to a meetup like that to, you know, more than a 100 appearing to Tim Hortons like that. And it's more and it's always questions about, you know,   learning more, more   about Bitcoin, learning how to invest but, asking more about mining and and actually a lot a lot of interest into education.   And we're also planning our own,   you know, our own   conference   here for the locals,   primarily, and also for for for the Bitcoin community to come come down and and see what's happening on the ground here. But,   you know, our   own conference where   they can learn,   you know, about   the actual companies in the   legitimacy of it because there's still a lot of distrust.  



[00:25:50] Unknown:

Sure.  

[00:25:52] Unknown:

There's still, you know, the idea that it is this scam and that there's, you know, there's so many cryptocurrencies   out there. Why is Bitcoin still   the so there's there's not,   like, the the general public doesn't understand the distinction between crypto and Bitcoin   yet. Right? So and I've been thinking, but, exactly. But Yeah.   Giving giving it more legitimacy   by,   having companies be able to come here and give, you know, workshops, presentations to the private sector, to the financial sector.   That will, you know, definitely increase education   in in the relevant sectors in this country, but also allow for, you know, recordings.  

Hopefully, we'll have some coming here in Dutch that we can, you know, record and then share with the local community afterward as well.   So that's that's how we plan to tackle the the the education,   primarily because it's such a small community.   Mhmm. It it's fairly small in the city. So if you have a, you know, a couple of 1,000   coming in, you have events where people are are able to pay in Bitcoin.   You have event organizers here, looking to integrate,   you know, wallets into their events.   So that is an easy way for people to see the use,   like, how how easy it is to use in comparison to everything else that they've ever known. And and, you know, even everything else that they've ever known has been very, very bad.  

Banking is is very,   like, you'd you'd probably wanna move after just using one online banking system in this country just out of frustration.  

[00:27:30] Unknown:

Oh, gosh.   That's   that is very frustrating, and I can't imagine what it's like when people just don't feel like that they have hope or they don't have choices, you know, and when you don't feel financially sovereign and you don't feel   like you can trust the government that's, you know, just randomly printing money like ours does and all of these do,   it's really discouraging sometimes. So it's great that you're out there doing that. With an education center,   are you guys gonna do anything beyond   basic Bitcoin training? Are you gonna teach people how to become developers perhaps or Yeah. So there's there's actually,  

[00:28:07] Unknown:

there's already a couple of Bitcoiners moving here to help, on the ground. Yay.   And there's actually a soccer academy,   Novasars,   and they've been active for the past year and,   they basically   the the goal of the whole thing is to teach kids discipline and give them opportunities, you know, in soccer and get them off the street, in in underprivileged   neighborhoods and and all throughout the country.   And they have about,   800 to 1300   families,   currently. So 800, I think, currently,   aiming for 1300   families.   And   these kids, not all of them are gonna be, you know, professional soccer players at the end. So we wanna teach them the skills or they wanna teach them the skills,   you know, development skills so that they have an opportunity   outside of just soccer.  

So they're currently looking for   teachers, educators,   collaborators   that can help them set that that part of, education up here. So everything's kind of like ongoing. It seems like there's   a lot more   finally,   coming to fruition   that we've been working on for the last year. So it's beautiful to see.  

[00:29:22] Unknown:

That's incredible.   You know Peter McCormick?  

[00:29:25] Unknown:

Yes.  

[00:29:26] Unknown:

Real Bedford. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe he could get some of his, you know, team or some folks to come and do some workshops with your kids down there. That would be fun, you know, to Yeah. That would definitely be amazing. You know? And then you guys could do some Bitcoin stuff and some hangout. I'm always like, oh,   Yeah. He's I'm so happy for him. He's rocking it.   This do the kids get it? Like, do the do the children, like, when like, do you have kids or teenagers that are starting to understand Bitcoin a little bit? Are they embracing it, or is it more adults that are coming to the  

[00:30:03] Unknown:

I'm getting a lot of feedback that, you know, the younger generation, they're they're already using it.   Our meetup location   actually got,   you know, is getting more people coming in and paying with Bitcoin. So the younger generation is already very much into it. It is actually their parents that are learning from the younger generation.  

[00:30:22] Unknown:

Yeah. It seems like how that that works.   You know, all of us geezers are the last ones to figure it out.   But it's true. It's like I feel like if you don't have to unlearn something as a young person, you're fresh.   And so when we're teaching them from the lens of Bitcoin standard instead of a Fiat standard,   then it's easier for us obviously to,   you know, help them understand and move forward. But if it's we have to do all this undoing,   there's a lot more resistance,   you know, to to this.   Here we go. Yes. There we go. We've got Chris who left a comment. Yes. You just answered.   Here, can do you wanna answer this this other question from, Nanda?  

Connected with Maya on Telegram or from Guyana living in the UK. Question for Maya, what are the chances of Bitcoin being adopted or even accepted by the Guyana government or how to get people to accept it?   Any thoughts on that, Ananda?  

[00:31:18] Unknown:

Honestly, I have I have no idea, whether the Guyanese government is even considering it,   to be honest,   or if there has been outreach. I haven't been to Guyana in a while. So aside from infrastructure works, I'm not really familiar with what's happening on the ground there.   But I'd say, you know, similar to what we've been doing here, get started,   start a local circular economy, start educating, start,   you know, looking for local well, not even looking, just creating a signal,   you know, 21 dot world is a great resource   to to create, you know, a local fork and and then,   a local community. So there are are enough platforms just get started and,   it it just grows over time.  



[00:32:05] Unknown:

It yeah. And I think doesn't Bitcoin Beach put out, like, an open source paper of how they did their circular economy?   You know, and you can also look at BTC Maps for different other circular economies and places that are, you know, doing Bitcoin all over the world. And   like we talked about just a few minutes ago, there's no one size fits all on how to get this adoption   going. It's just get started at least, you know, and get people,   get people on the page. Let's segue into your business, Maya.   Like, how you've got you you're a juggling octopus mama.   Let's talk about,   Daedalus Labs. You wanna tell everybody what this is?  



[00:32:43] Unknown:

Yeah. So Daedalus actually   well, I I I well, it all all started,   about,   let's see, 2017,   when   just out of my infrastructure company, we had the opportunity to be able to invest into, you know, something else and and diversify the the the company. And,   civil engineering is not really my,   you know, it's not my strong suit. It's not,   my passion either. It's Sergis,   the CTO for that company. So,   the the question was, what am I passionate about? And, you know, Bitcoin is the intersection of math, finance.   It's it's basically everything I love all packed up into 1, and it's a a solution to what has been, you know, a broken system. If you look at the capital markets and and stocks and how that has,   developed over the last couple of decades.  

So I saw it as a solution for us,   and I started out,   actually trying to develop the capital market here in Suriname and building an exchange,   and and then we had on the road map a real estate investment trust,   that we would develop somewhere, you know, in actually 2 or 3 years down the road.   And that actually in 2022   became the the the the focus   of of the the whole company, and that's how Daedalus Labs was born.   Simply focusing on, you know, us as humans,   what is your basic need. Like, if you're going to rebuild the system, if you're gonna rebuild,   a capital market,   how can you use existing regulation,   existing   financial and legal frameworks? How can you use existing systems   in a way that it actually benefits the masses?  

And then how can you do that on a Bitcoin standard? Like, how can you use Bitcoin to change, like, for example,   a traditional mortgage or how real estate investment is done? And that's   how we started working on,   on building resin,   which is a Bitcoin real estate investment trust.   And what we basically do is you enable,   people to buy a home without needing,   a down payment,   without needing   to to have debt, you know, for for 30   to 20 to 30 years of their life. So, basically, until you're   in your late fifties or sixties, that's when you're gonna be still paying off this this debt.   So it creates this this   industry where you're constantly,   like, striving   on the investment side   to increase the value and valuation of homes.  

And on the user side, you, you know, the user always loses. The the the consumer always loses. They always   end up paying,   proportionally more for that property than they would have if they had just had had cash. Right? Like, if they had just had the full amount.   And you're not just a   marginal profit, but a very large,   profit over the duration of that debt and that loan.   And we're all Bitcoiners.   We all know exactly why Bitcoin was developed and what, you know, what what kind of opportunities that gives us, but we're still stuck in the system. Most of us still have a mortgage.   You know, let's be honest. Like, unless you're able to   buy a house outright cash,   you don't   you still have a a bank account because you still have that mortgage. So how do you get   that that sis how do you get the system started where basically you don't need a bank at all and then it's one of the the basic needs, shelter. You need to solve for that problem. People need to be able to purchase acquire a home   without needing,   to go through a bank for that process.  

So which is why we're focusing on resin,   resin developing the app. Also,   you know, we wanted to solve a real world   problem for people, something at at just the base and the core, something that can scale globally.   Like, if you look at   just the average, you know, or or the the majority of of companies   developing in the space,   most of them are developing solutions for either other Bitcoiners or   something that has a complex   actually   keeps all the the complexity,   you know, that is involved   with,   channel management or running a node or   the the   the the infrastructure   that you need to to use.  

We're trying to just focus on   user friendliness, creating a solution that is as user friendly as possible,   that can scale,   and that people can use   without needing to understand all of the underlying complexity.   Right? When you're using Airbnb,   you don't need to understand how the Internet works or how mobile apps works work. You don't need to to be a a a developer   to know   how to use Airband Bee. You just use it.   Right? And I think we're transitioning   from   just building applications that can just scale to the community   to building applications that can actually just   function. Like, just   the Internet is there. Bitcoin is there. The layer, the protocol, it's already there. We just need to build applications that solve a direct problem for for users   and that make the old system irrelevant.  

Yeah. Right? And and break those old models that were created by by that system. Like, for example,   Airbnb   has incentivized,   real estate investment   into,   you know, a lot of cities and has made   housing unaffordable   for locals.   It's incentivized   like, rent seeking, it's incentivizing   people that have wealth already to acquire more real estate and earn more.   And then they're giving so the and Airbnb is global, but a percentage of that revenue of those profits are flowing back to Airbnb in the US. So it's   it's this system where it's extracting US,   but   to the entire economy in the US but to the the the top 0.2%.  

So if you look at traditional real estate investment trust, that's how they they're structured. That's how their,   you know, their revenue model, their business model,   and and that's how the the the entire real estate   industry is is structured.   Right? It's all around this opaque system   that incentivizes   the seeking profit   to the benefit of the few at the cost of the many.   So   we're we're we're building a solution to completely restructure and disrupt that model   and basically make it,   you know, make it a loss   to to buy a property to have an Airbnb. It would be better to do it on resin and have the entire community benefit   because then it's the community good.  

So you don't have to pay those, you know, that amount of fees   going into,   a single app just for using it.  

[00:40:09] Unknown:

Can can you walk us through, like, because I I wanna get my head around this because we   my ex husband and I, he's still running the fund, but we've we started a real estate lending fund, you know, over 10 years ago, and he's still, you know, doing this for people with fix and flips like hard money lending. And so,   so I have some experience in   finance with real estate. However, I wanna understand this through the lens of Bitcoin and, you know, how what does this new model look like? So if I'm a if I'm a consumer or if I'm somebody who wants to get a house,   how would this like, what would happen? What would my journey look like?  



[00:40:45] Unknown:

Well,   as a consumer, you'd you'd   use the app. So you download the app or go on to the website,   and you get an interface that is something that you're already familiar to or similar to what you're already familiar to, you know, with real estate apps,   And you see what is available in your area   or you submit a property. But, usually, you, you know, you go through the search. You see based on the the the map, basically, what what is offered in your area.   You like a house, for example. You buy that house. You click buy that house, you submit,   a limited amount of documents similar to what you, you you know, you would need to supply to be able to rent the house because it's a rent to own model.  

And then   what happens is the real estate investment trust acquires the property, and then you buy equity into the property over time. So you're building wealth.  

[00:41:41] Unknown:

Interesting.   That is seriously cool. Let let me ask you this. Like, this is something I brought up with,   my friend Terrence and Peter from The Bitcoin Advisor because, you know, a lot of people right now, whether and I'm not sure in every country, but here in certain parts of the states,   you know, because of inflation, housing prices have, you know, skyrocketed,   and some of us have mortgages that are pretty low   interest rates that we got in before all the rates went up. Right? But so we've got this,   you know, this unrealized   this untouched equity   that's just, you know, sitting there. So rather than selling the house and cashing out and getting Bitcoin,   you know, a lot I've been thinking, like, well, how can we is there a way that we could do, like, cosigning as a service or something where we would have, like, a second mortgage   put onto   a house, but then it Bitcoin gets bought with it, and then we put it in a multisig kind of an escrow thing so that the person who's doing the cosigning as a service,   you know, has access to the Bitcoin. They get a percentage,   you know, and then now we get more Bitcoin and then we've pulled some of that equity out of,   you know, just sitting there on the books. Yeah. It's not. So so  

[00:42:52] Unknown:

so I I I wanna   just   open that up and then and shake it up a little bit. So Yeah. Shake it up.   So yeah. So you're   you're saying equity. Right?   And you're saying it in in quotation marks because it's not really equity. It's incentive to create more debt, basically. Okay.   Apart in that opaque banking system. Right? It's it's   you you have inflation   that is flowing into the housing market where housing prices are no longer related or correlated to their actual value   but have just gained, you   know, fake equity, basically, or fake value increased value over time that you can now borrow against   to put yourself more into debt to basically be able to yeah. For example, acquiring Bitcoin would be a good way to get out of that debt   long term. But, basically, what you could do with us was,   refinance   the mortgage.  

It's a hybrid REIT, so you can refinance refinance existing mortgages.   And the way that the the REIT structure itself works is that it actually purchases,   an equal value of Bitcoin for the value of the house.  

[00:44:06] Unknown:

Oh, interesting.  

[00:44:08] Unknown:

Yeah. So it's like a   massive   via Fiat vampire,   and take the, yeah, I say explain it easily. It's,   you know, similar to what MicroStrategy is doing with shares.   It's a publicly traded company, they issue shares,   and with that fiat they acquire Bitcoin and hold that in treasury.   In this case, you know, you have real estate in treasury and   an equivalent amount in Bitcoin in treasury. So the the the portfolio   value over time,   will be worth way more than the   depreciation   or in relation to the depreciation of real estate in comparison to, you know, the appreciation of coin over time.  

[00:44:49] Unknown:

And so is this available all over the world or where is this available?  

[00:44:54] Unknown:

We're building, we're building,   we're launching. We're launching the product,   to the open market in Q4 this year. Yay. Q4.  

[00:45:04] Unknown:

That's gonna be when you're also president. Is this true?  

[00:45:07] Unknown:

No. The elections   are the elections are next year in May. Okay.   Yeah. So next year in May. And then then I'll I'll be needing to take a step back from,   you know, from full time CEO.  

[00:45:20] Unknown:

Yeah. That's a that's a lot on your plate for both of these things. Well, it's cool though because you're building something that's gonna last that's obviously based in, you know,  

[00:45:29] Unknown:

the business world and it's not just in the politics world. So Yeah. No. Dayless is and, you know, we have a very strong belief in building open source and using open source technologies,   and we looked at, you know, the the struggles that a lot of Bitcoin companies are facing and that is usually their revenue model or their business model. Mhmm. Because it means, you know, how do you create   income   out   of, an application   that has a low margin   without making the user their product or their data their product. Right? With our business model, we have   it's it's already a sound business model in itself. Real estate, you know, a real estate,   investment trust just   buys, acquires,   properties. And in this case, it   just the the the structure and the dynamics are completely,   you know, novel and and,   innovative so that it follows the the properties of Bitcoin   and works for the community.  

So we we truly believe that this can be something that can, you know,   get gather support from the community, be built by the community,   and that we can   even if I'm, you know, if I need to to move on to other things,   then   it just lives on by the community itself.  

[00:46:49] Unknown:

Oh my god. I hope you move on to those other things. I'm I'm rooting for you.   I mean, but,   yeah, I mean, it's great. I mean, you I love, you know, go getter ambitious women like you. You're so admirable, and you're not just sort of   talking. You're actually walking and running.   You're sprinting  

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toward the finish line.  

[00:47:11] Unknown:

You're bringing us all along with you. It's, like, really, really inspirational.   Have you always been like this? I'd love to just go if a little personal, if you don't mind. Like, you're obviously a very a very motivated   woman. Like, is this is this your character and nature your since you were little?  

[00:47:26] Unknown:

Yeah. I've always been like this, since I was a child. My mom always said this country is way too small for you.   Yeah. And my my Oxford professor actually said that out of 13,000 students, I was his number one,   or I'm the number one student. So I I tend to   I tend to be like an overachiever and a little bit of a perfectionist,   and I have OCD. So I'm very, you know, obsessed and upset.   I get I tend   to obsess about something and and once I've put something in my head, it doesn't matter if it takes 10 years, but I will get there   or longer. I will get there. You know, there's the and I might have ups and downs and,   I might need a break. For example,   you know, I for last year, I really needed a break from the conferences. I I I was   doing way too much back to back and working way too much at at each one.  

So I did take a little bit of a step back,   from that. So I do have my ups and downs as well. Not it's not always smooth sailing,   and big ambitions   do tend   to cost more.  

[00:48:35] Unknown:

They do. And   Yeah. What do you do, like, for your self care practices when you're taking your breaks, whether it's chunks of time that you need to step away or just micro   self care so that you can keep a full tank and do your mission?  

[00:48:50] Unknown:

Just micro self care. I have,   I have, like, habits,   just to to get me back to to energy or touch keep me back in reality. Like, I have   friends that I've had since high school. You know, they keep me grounded. I have my family around me. It's very different than than the fast paced life in the US or in Europe. So with your family here around you constantly as a support system, and then I just, you know, I go back to to just my friends and my family, and then you realize that there there there's more to life   than just only working on Bitcoin and only focusing on work. Yes. There's there's   there's a little bit more to life. So that that keeps me,   same.  



[00:49:34] Unknown:

It's important. I know. And it's tough sometimes because when you get in that flow, especially when you're so passionate and you can, like like, as visionaries, you know, we see the future.   We see the possibilities. You know? And we're like, but but if we just put this here and do that, and if we kinda go here, grab that over there. Let's go. And you just Yeah. And why is everybody making it so much slower?  

[00:49:56] Unknown:

I had this I had this, conversation in our team meeting,   actually,   on Monday   where where they're asking, like, are you happy with the pace? Like, are you happy with the progress? And I'm like, no. I need this to be done yesterday.   And then they go like, Maya, you need to relax. Like, you know,   normal pace. Normal pace. And then,   you know, I have for example, I I'd been doing extra work on on the weekend, so I I go all out on the weekend as well. And then,   actually, like, last weekend on the sun on Sunday, I had to remind myself, like, it's okay to not   have everything scheduled for today and just kind of, like, take a normal day   and a normal Sunday and relax. So that that's,  

[00:50:39] Unknown:

my reality check from time to time. It's so important. And I know, like, it it's easy to just get consumed. Just, you know, from the lens of a a female, obviously,   you know,   being a leader is a big deal, and a lot of people treat you differently,   you know, because if a man is out there perhaps and he's just like, come on, come on, come on, come on, everyone's like, yeah, let's go. And if a woman, you know, is like, come on. Come on. And they're like, lighten up, lady. Quit being so bitchy. You know? And you're just like,   we have the same vision and we're doing the same thing, but somehow I'm a bitch, but and he's a a warrior or something. So have you had to navigate that in your, you know, in your leadership roles?  



[00:51:20] Unknown:

Well,   no. Not not as much. Like, I get more   because I'm I'm one of the few women in this country   that,   you know, has their own companies or multiple companies and and, especially as young as I am.   So I already,   am I'm like a a   how do you say this?   I'm already,   like, a a rare An anomaly. Rare breed. Yeah. I'm already a rare breed here. So, they're kinda I'm kinda used to that already,   so I don't get that as much.   But I do   get   that, you know, you get less support. You get,   you have people that are actively,   like, against you just   opportunities that that they don't like men particularly are. And then and I'm speaking of men in positions of power that are also corrupt. So it's usually those types   that you that I have issues with here. But other than that, it's it's it's perfectly   okay, I guess. It's   I actually have it more in the Bitcoin industry   where I have people that are very supportive   and, you know, very, like, proactive   and and just wanna support and and help   in in whatever way they can or as much as I they can. And then,   your people that, I don't know, there's also this kind of thing in the industry where they   lack trust   just because you're foreign or things are too different or too different from their own world.  

Mhmm. And I have that a lot with, you know, some some of the the European,   like, some European Bitcoiners, they don't understand   at all what life is like in Latin America   or, like, in a third world country. They have no idea.   And, like, they have no idea what it's like to not be able to like, they come here or they they arrive here, and then they try to use their credit card and they're like,   not yet.   Yeah. Go stand in line in an ATM. Like, you you won't be able to use your credit card anyway. You know? So   that's when they realized, like, it's   it is like, it's for them, it's just like a a reality shocks. Holy shit. Like, this is going back, like, that going back into time 50 years. Like, yes. Welcome to Suriname.  



[00:53:52] Unknown:

Yeah. And then let's leapfrog over all the bullshit and get Bitcoin adoption and Exactly. You know, like, don't don't go into the credit card though. Stop bullshitting and arguing. Just come over and help.   Yeah. Oh my gosh. Do you feel like so you said a few Bitcoiners are moving there, so that's exciting. You know, when I was asking John about   opportunities for people to come visit and tour and have, like, you know, a retreat or some kind of, you know, you said you have a conference coming up. Do you when is that gonna be?  

[00:54:19] Unknown:

Early November. They're actually finalizing   the dates,   I think today. So Oh. That should be an yeah. So they should be launching the site soon and and announcing officially because we initially had it planned for March this year.   Mhmm. But the like, the team had lack of sponsorship,   and also everything was just, like, taking,   way too long to get support from from, you know, people who who had committed support,   from the industry. So we decided to to postpone it to November   and and work together with another conference,   that's already happening in November here, the social media conference. So it'll be yeah. So it'll be directly after that.  

And, basically,   it's it's more of an unconference   because it doesn't make sense for Suriname,   for complex   speakers and conversations   where they're gonna explain   the technicalities of Bitcoin, people need to still understand the basics.   Yeah. So we wanna focus on speakers that are relevant to the audiences here and then can, you know, convey the message   of what Bitcoin is and Bitcoin can mean to them,   in a way in a manner that they'll understand. And we wanna have more unconference   events. Mhmm. So they're focusing,   the team's focusing on doing, you know, like you said like you just said, things like retreats,   tourist spots that, you know, we'll have an event there,   and, basically, people will be able to to   book that in advance, paid in advance using Bitcoin, and the local tour guides will organize these group sessions where, you know, you're going out to somewhere in the middle of the Amazon jungle that only a couple of 100 people have seen,   in the you know, in since history. So   that's that's what we're we're focusing on for the the Bitcoin community   to be able to see the beauty of our country and the beauty of our our culture and our our people.  

But for the locals,   you have events in the cities where they'll be able to pay in Bitcoin. So they'll they'll just be be able to use it and learn about it and how easy it is and how it's better than the fiat money that they have   by using it and be able, you know, being able to to spend it just at an event and and downloading an app. Totally. And, yeah, I think the more we can touch and feel it is is super important. Mhmm. Is it gonna be  

[00:56:45] Unknown:

in conjunction or, you know, bookended on   adopting Bitcoin in El Salvador?   Because it seems like  

[00:56:53] Unknown:

No. I think it's so it's gonna be right before.   So there'll be Yeah. And there's flights yeah. There's flights from here to Panama.   So if anyone wants to you know, if you're coming from from the other side of the world, it's an easy hop over to El Salvador.   Cool.   So, yeah, it it's it's we're we're we're not  

[00:57:13] Unknown:

book we're not, doing the same dates as as any other conferences in any case. Cool. No. Because it just seems like if we're if we're heading south, you know, we might as well go a little further south to come see you guys and then, you know, are you gonna do anything with me, Premier Bitcoin, for,   you know, with because they do on conferences   now at a lot of these events. And so,  

[00:57:34] Unknown:

you know, it seems like they would be a great partner. I'll I'll suggest it to the team. I'm not I'm not in charge of the conference. There's a there's an entirely separate team working on that, but I'll suggest it to them. Cool. Right on. Hey. So check it out. Chris has a an a question.  

[00:57:50] Unknown:

Chris is in awe of what you're doing, truly inspirational. My question is, who have been and are your biggest inspirations today? I love this question, Chris. I was gonna ask her too. So you're reading my little old man.   Well,  

[00:58:03] Unknown:

you know, just   yeah. I I I'm a big fan of of Jack Dorsey.   He's he's been in just also just in in terms of personality,   like, you might think that I'm extrovert, but I actually like staying just at home and not having to go places and speak to people and do things   with other people.  

[00:58:25] Unknown:

I like just being here. Like, I wanna work on my projects.   Yes. Exactly. It's true. I know. It's like you're a you're a builder. That's, like, so cool.  

[00:58:34] Unknown:

Yeah. So that's that's what I yeah. That's what I like because he seems like a little bit of a hermit, which is which I which is something I like because you can, you know, you can reach   you can build something that reaches so many lives and touches so many lives in the world, and then build more   and not be in, you know, like, in in in, like, in the media or in in public   as much. I think he's, yeah, in terms of that,   and just his his,   approach to open source and how he changed his opinion on that after Twitter,   and what happened to Twitter.  

And other than that, just, you know, entrepreneurs   that   have created technology that that truly changes the world.   I'm I'm,   I I grew up, you know, looking up to to Henry Ford, for example,   just being a a captain or a leader of industry.   And I   I believe that the world,   you know, needs more leaders   that   are not just focused on, like, a a dystopia or on the financial markets or personal gain, but they are focused on, you know, building and developing a better world than   where you can actually be   inspired.   Right? Like, it's been it's been a while since, you know, there's been, like, a Steve Jobs that   captivated the entire world with innovation. And, you know, I'm I don't agree with any everything that Apple does right now. I don't agree with everything that Apple has done in the past, but,   you do miss that kind of, like, innovative,   inspiring   leader, you know, like, Elon Musk might be that for   a lot of people right now.  

I I think there need to be more,   you know, that have different different perspectives and and that are not pro this centralization.   Because even having,   you know, the amount of of of money and resources that are just being controlled by by   a handful of people globally.   Resources   need to be allocated and   just spread out throughout the world more more and more equally. Right? Elon Musk said he was going to solve world hunger,   you know,   it by himself.   And   dad died   a a a a slow and sudden death after several conversations. So we need more of things like that actually,   you know, them saying it and then it actually playing out and more leaders like  

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that. Yeah. Well and it's tough, obviously, because it's like, how do you   the incentive for doing all of these things that are good and positive for the world, it's like peace is obviously a positive   outcome to things, you know, ending world hunger, saving the rainforest, etcetera. It's like, how do you make those things   more profitable   than war,   than destroying the forest, than hungry children, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera? And so, you know,   that's you know, as much as we wanna live in, you know, kumbaya land   and everybody's, you know, peace, love, and fairy tales, it's like things are driven with economic incentives. And so how can we flip it? You know, when John was talking about what he's doing with Biottara   is, you know, how do you make it more profitable to keep the rainforest and the forest alive   than chopping it down and using it for whether it's for cow production or biochar or whatever.  

And so that's something I think entrepreneurs,   you know, need to come forward. And and it's like, what? Isn't it more economically,   beneficial to the whole to have   a peaceful society where everybody's employed and working and healthy? Like, that seems to be better for the whole versus the few. I mean, that that has been, you know, it's better for the whole  

[01:02:38] Unknown:

for decades.   It's been we've known for decades that war is bad. Yeah.   But if you look at at, for example, like, Tesla is a good example. Right? There was no incentive   to   to go into EV development   or for car manufacturers   to push EV or solar or renewables.   There was no no such incentive for government to actually go after it. He actually went all in   and built this company that   leads by example. I think we need more leaders that lead by example and show you, like, okay,   Government doesn't wanna incentivize this. Watch me. Right? And then just watch him do it.  

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But he ended up getting subsidies, though, from the government.  

[01:03:22] Unknown:

And so that's kind of this is where he it's tricky. He's the yeah. But he did create the the momentum   to head or to to shift more towards yeah. And what what you're saying. Right? Creating incentive for something to be,   to be profitable or to be more profitable than the the the,   the opposite of it. Right? Yeah. Oil is still very profitable. Coal mining, they still do that, but Yeah. The whole industry has shifted in a couple of years because of basically one person, one company.   And you're all like,   unless   or until no. Not even unless. Until   the state is defunded   and the global reserve currency is Bitcoin, you're still gonna need these types of, you know, subsidies, government subsidies and all that   to create a company of that scale.  



[01:04:15] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be   curious to see how people are starting to develop their con their companies, you know, if they can model it after that and make, you know, a better world more profitable than   an unhealthy and corrupt and violent world. So I hope that   your journey   leads us at least to one of those, you know, layers of   of the next generation. Like, you're just you're amazing.   Thank  

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you.  

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Yeah. I'm so excited and impressed. How can people   support you and find you? Do you have a campaign started with funding? Can you know, are you accepting Bitcoin? I know you've got obviously, you're   you're you know, how does this work? You said the whole election cycle and everything's a little bit different than it is, you know, around the world. Yeah. It's a it's it's it's, you know, it's not as  

[01:05:02] Unknown:

as coordinated   and online as it is in other countries,   but we   the team is working on setting up a campaign page and,   setting up,   you know, donation pages, and it's gonna be in Bitcoin. But we also want it to be trackable. So where the funds are going into and and how they're being spent and and, you know, have that be easily trackable online.   So we're working on that. That'll be out soon. Keep an eye on my,   yeah, Twitter   on on x.  

[01:05:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Definitely. For those of you listening and you can't if you can't see the screen, you gotta follow Maya at mayapar25   on Twitter.   This is so great. I'd any other that's any final thoughts or closing thoughts for   aspiring entrepreneurs or aspiring changemakers, aspiring leaders?   Are you there? Did you hear me?   Me? Yeah. Did you hear me?   Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm asking you for your final thoughts. Oh, me on final thoughts? I thought we're waiting for a question from the audience. Oh, sorry. Sorry. No. I do you have any, my bad. My total bad. Do you have any final thoughts of inspiration   and words of wisdom to any aspiring leaders or aspiring entrepreneurs or people who wanna go make a difference?  



[01:06:19] Unknown:

Well, it's   a, you know, just get started. Just reach out. Just,   it's   the Bitcoin community is so big, and there's always somewhere where you can find, you know, an alignment in terms of fashion or or vision or something that you want to do or want to build.   It's it's not easy. It takes some   it takes quite a lot of sacrifice depending on how big your your aspirations are.   Which is, you know, as everything in life, just never give up and and just keep at it.   Yeah. Proof of work. Right?  

[01:06:53] Unknown:

Proof of work. That's really the only thing that works is proof of work. Proof of talk doesn't lead to much. Proof of work does.   Exactly.   I love it. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us, and I'm glad we got   to to reschedule this and and make it happen. And I really appreciate your time and everything you're doing. I know you're obviously a very, very busy   busy woman making the world better, so thanks a lot. And,   Yeah. If anything that yeah. Of course. And anything that you guys you know, make sure you follow Maya   and anything that comes up, Maya. Like, tag me. I'll repost. You know, I'm not Joe Rogan or anything yet. But   but every little bit counts. Right? And everybody who's listening, you know, just remember that every every little thing matters and, you know, make great choices and we'll have a better world together. So, hold. I've got one more comment. I didn't see it. Yay. Hold on.  

Totally agree. Here we go. Yay. Thanks, Chris.   Alright, everybody. So thanks for tuning in. Oh, and, hey, you guys, check it out. One last I'm gonna plug the the final event here. Well, guess what we're doing this weekend? We're   doing   the Bitcoin for Peace Virtual Creator Summit on Saturday.   So we have over 50 speakers and panelists, and we're gonna be talking   very, you know, intro to Bitcoin, intro to self custody, intro to value for value, how do you build a network, how are you,   growing your community, what's creative process, what's your marketing process. So I'm really excited we're going to be bringing a lot of folks together in a 7 hour summit   and we're going to have recordings and it's all value for value donation based. So share it with your friends, and I hope you guys can make it. And, but more importantly than that, make sure you guys follow Maya. And thanks again for taking time to be with us, Maya. And everybody else, have a wonderful day. Peace, love and warm aloha. This is DJ Val. I'll talk to you all soon.  

Thanks.