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Welcome to another episode of the Disorganized Productions Podcast, where we ignite your potential and help you become the best version of yourself. In this episode, I am joined by Nick from the Occult Rejects as we embark on a fascinating journey exploring the realms of magic, meditation, and the mysteries of the universe.

Nick shares his upcoming travel plans to New York and Arizona, where he will connect with fellow podcasters and explore new horizons. We delve into the rich history of New York, discussing its Dutch origins and the intriguing etymology of the term "Yankees."

The conversation takes a deep dive into the world of occultism, as Nick recounts his experiences with the OTO and his journey of self-discovery through meditation. We explore the symbolism of the eye, the significance of the black sun, and the transformative power of meditation.

Nick shares his personal experiences with magical rituals and the profound impact they have had on his life. We discuss the importance of meditation, visualization, and the exploration of one's inner self as a path to unlocking hidden potential.

Join us as we unravel the mysteries of the universe, challenge conventional beliefs, and explore the depths of human consciousness. Whether you're a seasoned practitioner or simply curious about the world of magic, this episode offers insights and inspiration for all.

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Skip me branch like squirrel, baby.  

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What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the law.  

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Welcome fellow human to the disorganized productionist podcast.   The show that fuels your spirit,   ignites your potential, and   helps you become the best version of yourself.   I'm your host,   Rob, and each episode   will embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless  

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it says recording in progress. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow humans,   welcome to another episode of this organized productions.   And, we had such a great time. It it's like one strong ago, Nick.   Yes. Part three with, Nick from the Occult Reject. Welcome, Nick.   What's going on? I don't know.   Good to see you.   Yeah.   I'm fine. I'm   I'm on a brink of,   getting on a plane to, to The US.   And hopefully that works out alright.  

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And I'm going to your, this is your hometown, New York? Is It's it's going to my own staffing grounds, man. Yeah. As well. So I said, oh, who else? After I leave, you show up there.   Like, I can't drive a bikini if you I think where you went.  

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They need beautiful, bald man with a beard. That's it. No.   Right?   He rang me just like, oh, dude. What what is Skipping Tower? We we need another one.  

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Where are you going?   Where are you going in New York?  

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Dude, to be honest with you,   I'm gonna land on, JFK.   I'm gonna be picked up by Gene Editis from, Aleuticosis   podcast.   I think he's in Brooklyn.   So we're gonna drive to Brooklyn. He's gonna show me a little bit around. We're gonna do some cool stuff.   And   within a few days, I have to travel to Flagstaff, Arizona.   So,   probably gonna   take another plane   and fly out to there, to the, to the desert   because I'm gonna meet up with Ben from the Unchained Brain and with Phil.   Oh, I've heard I've heard of them.   Yeah. Check it out. I heard   of. That's  

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awesome. Yeah. Well, you're going to New York. You wouldn't have been too far away from   me. Well, I mean, well,   well, I lived in Queens. You would have been right there. But  

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Okay. Right.   So how is New York?   Because we only know, like, the Big Apple.   Without Yankees, which is which is basically Dutch because New York was founded by a Dutch guy named Peter Stuyvesant.   You didn't knew that. Right? Or did you know? Yeah. And the Yankees,  

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that name actually is two different,   ways of saying the.  

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Jan and Case. Young and Case. These are two very notable names in The Netherlands.  

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Yeah. But anybody came with. They both equal they both can translate back to Janice, right, I think.   Oh, I don't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was, like, the weird thing about it.   Okay. I got it.   Yeah. I think,   Giannis what is it? The Yankees? Well, keys   are known to, like,   janitor.   They have keys, Janice. The the keys actually Right. Believe it or not. Okay. The whole name of the work. Yeah.  

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I don't know if they make it up or or if it's a real story, to be honest with you. Because I know that Jan and Kees are very familiar names here in The Netherlands.   And because a lot of people travel from The Netherlands to   New York, which is called the The Big Apple, but what's a small apple, probably Amsterdam. It's New Amsterdam translated.   So   because a lot of people were walking there that way, names Jan and Case,   The story goes that they call them that's why they call them Yankees. Yeah. But, yeah, janitor or Keys makes sense too. Right?  

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Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, unless the names don't per per perfectly translate over, I did I did see something on that where, like, the n actually can translate to Janice or something. Janice. K.  

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Yeah. And So k. Is You liked the New York?  

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It was I mean, it's it's okay. I believe it. I like North Carolina a lot better.   I mean, I grew up in Long Island. Long Island, New York is a lot more suburban.   Uh-huh. It's not really a city. It's more like towns. You know? So I I did,   and I   it was getting too expensive to live there, So that was another thing. And, you know, North Carolina weather's a lot better, and it's a lot cheaper. And I was like, screw it. I'm out of New York.  

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I was dumb. Dude, that's that's a good thing. Right?   When you say you go to New York and when you see the flight tickets and stuff like that, it's gonna be alright. If you see the hotels, what did did they charge? Like, oh, fuck. Oh, yeah. Super fast.   Yeah. It's but but every it's everywhere is so ridiculous. Dude, but when I'm checking out, like,   what is it? 10 square meter room here in The Netherlands, only a room, so you have a shared bathroom and a shared kitchen. You're gonna pay, like, almost thousand   thousand euros a fucking month.  

And you can't pay the rent.   And if you wanna purchase a home, which is cheaper because it's, like, 600 or $700   with the mortgage, you're not gonna get it. So you you gotta pay the the the full price to to close off.  

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Yes. That's that's expensive. I mean, if there's anything close to a thousand dollars, that's actually worse than New York.   I don't know about the same.  

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And what you're gonna get. Right? You know, if you live in a mansion with a beautiful house and saw some some   wherever the fuck there is in in in the neighborhood, then okay. Maybe you know?   But I I was talking to a to a to a friend of mine the other day. He's gonna   lift to, India.   You're gonna pay for a very nice, really nice apartment in the middle of,   a big city.   $200   for a month.   That's a big difference.  

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Yeah.  

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It's a different country, of course, also. But my come on, dude.  

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Can you imagine? I actually do wanna eventually in a few year well, probably about within the next five years, I would like to move to Italy, actually. I don't plan on staying in this country. Is that plain truth?  

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Yeah. Dude, Italy is beautiful, but the thing is, that's what well, I'm I I wanna spread my wings a little bit for further than that because it's still,   WEF   organized,   country. So Oh, yeah. This What do we Italy, the countryside, Tuscany is beautiful, but it's all rented by the same  

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pedophiles. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. I'll just put it put it. Believe it or not, living I can live in Rome cheaper than it is to live in New York.   Oh, damn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was looking at places to live in Rome, and I was like, yo, I'm paying three times the amount of money here for New York for the same size apartment. I said, how the fuck is it possible? Like, this is even Rome.   And, like, you're telling Right. People to live there than than Long Island, New York. Not even in the city.   I was like, that is crazy.   Just   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually believe that. I really need to get on it. Like, my grandparents and great grandparents literally were from Italy. And, like, if you can prove that, they're gonna take you like that. They're they literally when I when I went there last time, they had signs up telling you, if you can prove Ancestry, we'll take you. Like, there were there were so many signs up. It almost looked like they were begging for fucking citizens. Like, it was like, what's your problem? Oh, dude.  



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Yeah. But that's not a   that's not a thing.   I know that there are villages  

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that you can buy for very quite cheap or houses. No. They have things out there where you can buy a piece. I think it's like a fucking one square foot or some shit. Something really small for, like, a dollar   or 50.   And then they can kinda get you into the country that way by just owning a piece of property.   Yeah. There was all the different services they had out there to literally try to get you citizenship.   I was like, yo. I'm like, I've never seen no shit like this before.  

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But can you imagine that you're living in a town, like, ten years ago that's gonna be very fruitful? A lot of people walking there and stuff like that, and all of a sudden,   you're walking through a ghost town. A lot of people are going to the big city. A lot of people going traveling   maybe to another country or whatever. So there are a lot of ghost towns. That's why they they they advertise like, okay. You can buy a house here for $20,000,   But you have to, you know, you you you have to make it profitable for yourself to live there because   when yeah. Well, there there there is a lot of things going on here in Europe in Europe, of course. I don't watch news and stuff like that, but  

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I wouldn't move to it. I mean, I've been there, but I wouldn't move to it. I mean, it is beautiful. But, like, I was even looking like I was like, oh, let me just look just to see. And, like, you can actually buy, like, a decent sized house for, like, $250   in the Amalfi Coast, like, literally off the mountain. I was like, what?   I was like, you may even buy a house in New York for $250.   Right.  

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Well, 250  

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yeah. 200 It's in New York. If you if you found something like that, that, it's probably because you gotta dump a hundred grand into it to even, like, live in it. And take or it's a minute. Or it's gonna be like a one bedroom cottage.  

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That's it. Right. I'm like, New York that's You're looking at the prices, like, ten years ago, fifty years ago. What the fuck happened? You know? A lot of people say, oh, only so much money with the old. No. No. You didn't. You pay for inflation.   Because when you when you have a stabilized,   currency, but that's that's my opinion. Okay? We have a stabilized currency   and you pay, let's say, $100,000   for a home. And within ten, fifteen years, that's gonna be,   €2,000   more or whatever. $2,000   more. It's gonna be very stable then. But when it flips up, like, 50,000 more, 60,000   more, it makes no purpose because the stones, the windows, and all the stuff that's been paid for already   is not gonna be much more expensive.  

The thing is, of course, you got, you got a demand on the market,   but there's also inflation, which you're gonna pay 100%.   Dude, their their houses here, they they they've been built, like, let's say, forty, fifty years ago for   $20,000,   and now they're gonna charge them, like, $300,000   for the same fucking house.   Makes no sense.   Yeah.   I think the cheapest Mercedes Benz   ever been produced was, like, 20,000   gildens.   I could be wrong, but I think it was 20,000 gildens. Nowadays, if you have €20,000,   you're not gonna get a fucking golf.   You're gonna get a huge, dude.  

That's that's crazy, dude.   Crazy.   Dude, let's   let's check into, or deep dive into some of the things.   Yeah. I because I love it, man. I love the way you get pumped up about all the stuff that you know about, especially   two things I wanna cover today.   What,   the eyeball?   I I and I've been looking at a lot of stuff that you've been,   been bringing out from, called rejects and from Stein, from, the Greyhorn Pagan podcast,   great podcast, by the way,   and the Black Sun,   the.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Because I got I I kinda love I just love that shit. So Oh, Oh, so you listen to the episode too then, actually. So you you know what? Yes. Of course. Oh, okay. Alright. Yeah. Because then that's basically the story of me crossing the abyss. I'd have to tell them. Yeah.   Yeah. Alright. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. Just making sure we're on on the same page about what that.  

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Right. Yeah. But but yeah.   We're here on production, so we can't branch like squirrel   because that's what we sometimes do. You know? We just see what what happens. So   it's like playing ball. You know? One kicks and the other one   or he fucks around or he lost it or he just it's back.  

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But, yeah, I don't know. Like, where do you want me to start? Do you have any other questions? Maybe, like, smaller things that that you wanted to ask before we get into it or just before we get going?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Why don't we,   just clear for the for the audience at home that do not know you,   who are you, and how did you come to the some some of your conclusions, let's say.  

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Alright.   My name is Nick. I am, I guess, the creator   or the cofounder of, the Occult Rejects podcast   that includes, like, myself and about, I think, like, 10 other people, believe it or not.   Not all of them are all on at the same time. We normally, like, maybe max from, like, five to seven of us at a time, but we switch out different people for different types of topics, and everybody has, like, their own kind of, like, thing that they're good for us, which is why I use so many different people for their own specialties.   Odds are, like, if you watch a show, you'll probably get, like, four or five different angles from it. You can get, like, the Greek,   you know, a a Gnostic,   you know, someone who's a Buddhist, someone with a Jamatriya.  

You know, me, it's a little bit more of an occult or polemic, I guess, point of view because of being in the OTO,   at one point.   But, yeah, you get all different points of views and different ways of looking at stuff.   So, yeah, that's the occult rejects. And,   you know, I I was in the OTO probably about five to six years. I left. I just wasn't, happy with the way the police was going. They started getting political and extremely left leaning, and I and and, you know, at the time, I was much more of a, I guess, right leaning. But as of right now, I'm just I don't even pay any mind to politics. I think it's all fuck show.   But, at the time, it just bought and and I'll be totally honest with you. If they started getting into politics in any side, I would have been turned off because that's not what's supposed to be going on at TLTO. It's supposed to be about Right. Magic and occultism, not fucking politics.  

So, like, that turned me off. They got into the whole George Floyd thing. I was like, yo. What is going on? Like, none of this has to do with the the Orientis.   You know? It was a weird. And then I started thinking, like, you know, I I think there's something with this. You know? I I started thinking, like, well, why why are we why are we having these, like, these meetings on this stuff? Like,   very shady. Very shady.   Just leave it attached.   You know? And sometimes I do wonder if they're, like, actually trying to, like,   gather information. Put it that way. You know what I'm saying? Right. They read what's going on in people's minds and how they react and how easily they can be persuaded or whatever. It's just my impression.  

I think it's a sigh up and a sigh up and a sigh up with within its, you know, within the LTO at that time, possibly.   So that was another reason why I left too. I just it wasn't totally comfortable.   I started having magical experiences. And to me, like, I I I get   I do understand to an extent,   you know, symbolism,   even though it it can look extremely dark, it may not always be that way.   But I also understand that most people, unfortunately, human nature,   just due to the way your upbringing is you're going to look at it in a dark way, and then you'll never see what it's really saying. So my opinion, what's the fucking point of that?   You know what I'm saying? Just to deceive people or to get people to not look at it.  

So, like, to me, like, even just in that sense, I just didn't agree with that even if that's the case. You know what I'm saying? I just all around really wasn't happy with, like to me, it didn't emulate   where I was going, but I I can I can see in certain things? I can see the symbolism there. It may say the same thing. I just don't like the way, I guess, it's presented. Put it down. 3% of the right.   Yeah. Besides that, I started having magical experiences. And even in within having those magical experiences, like, I even knew I didn't need the lodge anymore. I didn't have to need need to go there. I mean, that was even a thing known that, like, magic happens at home by yourself. You know, it's not gonna happen.   At least it's that was, like, kind of, like, a known thing or a said thing, you know, amongst   most of the people I knew in the OTO. So, you know, so, like, even going by that, like, you know, I'm good. I don't need you guys anymore. You know, I grew up, and I'm I'm done. But,   no. I just I felt like to be totally honest with you, I felt like with my experience, I was just gonna be out of place. I don't think in my opinion that probably   probably   no more than probably more than 93%   of those people there   don't have an idea what magic is. I I'm just getting keeping it real, you know, at least at the lodge that I was Right.  

You know? So, like, to me, it was just like it just   what's the point? Because, like, when you're my opinion, when you turn taking things literal that aren't even supposed to be, like, how are you ever gonna understand my shit?   You know, you still believe these gods are real. I'm trying to tell you they're just archetypes of, like, your eyeballs or things going on inside your body changing. Like, in my opinion, they don't Right.   Exist. That's why people become slaves to these things because you're just creating an archetype that you're falling in love with and asking for help.   You know, it's like a mind fucking itself. There was even time I'm pretty sure that that exact way, but Crowley did say people would like slaves to the gods.  

And I didn't believe, like, he even meant We're shipping the wrong image.   Yeah. Yeah. It's just like yeah. Yeah. Or, like, I've even explained before, like, certain times when I have done, like, rituals and stuff. I was like, at one point, I realized, you know, I'm just asking these other gods to do me a favor. Like, I'm I'm fucking a slave to them. I mean, what's the problem with me achieving what I want?   You know? Still asking these motherfuckers to do it for me. Like, this what the fuck? I don't know. I just I started seeing, like, in way how you can still be a slave.   You know what I'm saying? So then I kinda just started going straight to God, and I stopped fucking with the lust of God.  

You know, I figured that would not work better.   But,   Yeah. I just again, like, it just wasn't you know, it   it wasn't me. You know? I I guess probably my upbringing was a little bit more conservative too, and that was just, like, a little bit more of an open an open way of life that just still, like, certain things were just I could put it this way. I was there for six years, and I was still uncomfortable with the fact that there was nudity in the gnostic mess.   You know what I'm saying? Like, it was still, like, would not. Not not that it, like,   oh, I can't do this. You know? But it was just, like, weird to me. Like, still, like, I never got used to, like, oh, there's a pair of tits right there. You know what I'm saying? It was just Sorry. It was always  

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Oh, what trades you to to to to get into it?  

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I was huge into conspiracy theories. This is and this is probably, like, before, you know, 02/2010,   I got a conspiracy series around there.   And I I got if for some reason, the people that peaked my interest the most seem to have talked about occultism as well, like Jordan Maxwell, David Ike, Michael Tesarian.   Trying to think of other people. But right now, off the top of my head, I can't remember. And listen. I'm not even gonna say I   some of these people, I question who the hell they were to begin with. But, you know, at least back then, I was heavily into those people and what they had to say, and they talk about occultism a lot. And I started, like, you you know, looking into it myself. Started, you know, hearing things that they'd said, started looking into them, started looking into different orders, different types of magic. You know? Because it was very interesting to me. And I'm like, oh, they're telling me this shit's controlling the world. So I'm, like, trying to, you know, find all these different stuff.   And, like, you know, after a while, like, nothing nothing, I sort of realized, and I was like, you know, I still don't know what the fuck the magic is.  

I was like, I had all these orders supposedly all over the place of this person that ran in and who did this and who did that, who started this and who started that. And I'm like, I had zero clue what the fuck magic is, though.   So Right. No. Let me see if any of these places are, like, around.   And, like, believe it or not, none of these places are secret   to find. They might have secrets within them, but they are not Right. Fine. Like, you can easily It's a big site.   OTO   Lodge, Freemason Lodge. You could probably Google Temple Of Set Lodge, anything near me, and you will find it. You will find them. Like, his address and everything. Right?  

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Yeah. Believe me. They they want secret door lock.   They were secret door lock. No no no password that you have to get through to get through doors. Nothing.   Not like in light club in New York. No. Just yeah. Not like the address.  

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My experience says, when I I I looked up the Golden Dawn, because believe it or not, the OTO would not have been my first choice because,   you know, I'm gonna keep it real. I I think Crowley was an occult genius without a doubt. I I whatever. I hate to say it. People don't like hearing me say it. I do think he was, but I also think he was it is a good possibility it wasn't degenerate   as well at times.   I do think it was small slivers in there that that man did have something beautiful to say as well, but I think he did lose himself possibly to his own demons.   So I'm not putting him up on a pedestal at all. And the man even says himself twice in his own books, I'm not the man. Don't do that. But yet his followers cuck for him all day. He even says himself   books, do not put me on a pedestal.  

He says it himself.  

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Did you know that he was also, like, a double role because he was also a Oh, yeah. See, OSS,   m m m whatever that's He Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was dressed up like a woman sometimes.  

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You see, this is the thing. Crazy stuff. This is I'm glad you brought that out because one thing I do wanna add to it, that's a whole other thing is that, like, first off, his name wasn't originally Alice the crow.   Alright? Right. I do believe that that's actually his double o seven James Bond name.   So you South.   Just know the character you're supposed to know.   Some of the stories about him, if you were to break it down into a cult symbolism, I swear to god, you're actually getting a real story there. Like, his mountain climbing,   very questionable.  

Because if you read the stories and look at what's going on, you're like, oh, that's just like a whole occult story right there of crossing the abyss.   You know what I'm saying? I Like, you have to question. And now listen. I'm not trying to say this guy didn't do screwed up shit. It's just you have to wonder   how much you're actually supposed to know because he was just fucking intelligent.   Right. I mean, he's so notoriously   known. You don't think that might be a part of his intelligence?   For the well   yeah. I just I I just to me, you have to actually really question, like, who the hell was that guy even really anyway? To where it's, like, who knows? I have even wondered even if the OTO in the to an extent is   intelligence to begin with.  

Oh.   I mean, I I know from I went to the I went to Tuhuti Lodge, and I was told now that I'm not making it up.   They could be wrong. But I even had somebody there that, like, had a position that had even told me. At one   point, they were denying the fact that anything wasn't going on in these places. You drank the Kool Aid. You know? But he did mention to me at one point   that he's like, yeah. He's like, you know, the FBI was even here. Like, we actually found out at one point that the FBI came in here, and they didn't even have nothing so they left. I was like, how the fuck do you know they left?  

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Right.  

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Right. Yeah. We're out of here. See you later. Like like, they they they told you, oh, yeah. By the way, we're in the FBI. Right? You know, we're done. We'll see you guys later. Hey. Yeah. He had a T shirt. He won't be that fucking stupid.  

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Right. They had a t shirt on or just like you see the jacket at the And they came in there and they're not sure the khakis.   Smell the building. Now it's at the  

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No. How do you Nope. He still lifts.   Well, maybe this is Mike. After the FBI looked at it for him. Like, how do you know? Like, I just that's crazy to think that, oh, they you actually know proof of them showing up. I don't know. They must have left.   Oh, man.  

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That makes no sense. But I do like what you guys see. Like, oh,   maybe they were cruding or looking at, like, people that are wanna deep dive a little bit more into the the conspiracies and all that stuff or or cult. Oh, I think you actually if you actually fuck with real magic, I do think the FBI and the CIA would be interested in that person.   Oh, fuck. Yeah.  

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I think a lot of I think they're actually very important to the CIA,  

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the cultist of Yes. And I think that they they nowadays   you can find some documents that they made about astral traveling and stuff like that that they put themselves on an Internet. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I covered that. Which is very interesting. You know? So they I used to they have their  

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right? It's it's, like, an half an hour or so. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I only got, like Yeah. Peeps in, but it it was basically, I tried it   just to see if I thought there was legitimacy to it.   And, like, as we get to as, again, as we get into the black sun and stuff like that, that experience,   when I start getting into physical feelings, I could tell you right now,   those tapes definitely sped that up.   Like,   I think it definitely would have helped me cross the abyss faster than I normally would have naturally without those tapes on.   Wow. I did start, like Did they There's always a feeling and a visualization   every time it's the same thing. Before I cross the abyss, and I I I didn't have the visualization, but I started getting the feeling.  

And I was like, oh.   Like, because because the thing is,   it's the only time I have ever felt this feeling too. So I can't even confuse it with anything else. I have only felt this feeling before I have this experience.   It's a whole new thing that I've ever experienced in my life ever.   Nothing like it ever.   So I can't even have it confused with something else because it has its own specific feeling that you're never gonna forget.   You try. It feels like you're starting to, like, get vacuumed out of your body as crazy as that sounds.   Oh my god. Or it's like you're letting a balloon out, and you're, like, solely, like,   like, leaking at the top. Right?  

It's   a feeling you will never forget. And when it happens again, you'll be like, oh, I remember that. You don't know what's going on. Was it before you went to, truly a cold or,  

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wow, you were doing that?  

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Well, you know, I was right before COVID. You know, this is another thing too. Before I had these magical experiences,   I was already kind of, like, I think I hadn't even gone to the OTO for probably about six months. I've accepted it just   that I'm going anymore. I may not have actually been considered, like, a non member or   You know, not a member anymore.   I may have, at the time, may have been considered non active because I didn't wasn't paying my dues either. You know? Because I wasn't going. I'm not giving you money.   Oh, hey. You think you're still gonna get money from that coin? It's kinda silly. But it was a membership. I can't come   out. No. They'll let you come pretty long with that too, actually. But,  

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I mean, I had jackets, so nobody knows.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   But,   so yeah.   I started having these experiences, but prior to that, yes, it was right before COVID. I haven't been even going to the lodge in a while.   And   I believe it or not, it did not start, you know, because people might see that I smoke weed or I do talk about it on my show. I smoke all the time on my podcast.   I actually did not start smoking weed again for probably over fifteen years. And the only reason why I started again was because of COVID.   Because when COVID came, I was like, there was no way I can go out into society and deal with these fucking nut jobs. Sober.   I was like, I'm I'm gonna have to get stoned the fuck out again and just fuck around with my headphones on, zoned out to Pink Floyd, and forget these motherfuckers with the masks on paranoid and full of anxiety.  

It was just like, oh, I cannot. No. Yo. Because when I was out in Queens, dude, those motherfuckers were nuts.   Because the crazy thing is no lie, and I question this, and I'm not knocking knocking the race. But we had a fuck ton of Chinese people that already lived out there wearing surgical masks for years   prior to COVID. We were already preconditioned to people wearing those fucking things in New York. So when COVID came, it's no big deal to throw that shit on your face. You've already been watching motherfuckers walk down the streets and in the supermarkets   with them already because they're afraid that the air is gonna kill them, and then they're walking around outside with umbrellas because they're afraid of the fucking sun too. Sun. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Yeah. We already had crazy motherfuckers worried about dying just from existing. Then now just throwing the mask on was no big deal.  



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The fucking stereotype of of what we see in in society from Chinese people already.  

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It was really bizarre. You don't witness, like, COVID sweep in through Queens.  

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Especially I have to say, and to be honest with you,   I I never ever used so many drugs as COVID too, but that's not a story. You continue.  

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No. But, like alright. So what I'm getting at is that when I had these magical experiences, I wasn't using drugs, so I do not promote drug use. I don't say that you need to smoke weed or do any drugs. I have a magical experience because I did it so hard.   And at the time that I started having these specific experiences that I do believe is crossing the abyss, I didn't even do a ritual. I did it all meditating.   No ritual.   So, again, like, I don't know if that's needed because anytime I've played with magic since then, I have not done a ritual. All I will do is sit in a chair and meditate or lay on my bed and meditate. That's all I do.  

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No rituals. For the people at home that are listening to this episode, if you wanna know more about rituals, we were talking, and we were really deep diving into that kind of stuff on the, second,   episode that we did. It's it's like,   93, 90 four, I think. Well, a few episodes. There was 94, 90 five because I was like, damn, I missed 93  

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because that's like That's a exactly. Exactly. And that now you're on '96. So   Oh, dear. K. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it up. Keep it up. Yeah. Yeah. And and and in that episode, we do cover the pentagram and the hexagram ritual. So go go check. Yes.   Yeah. I got very That's cool.  

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Yeah. That was fun. Thank you. That's that's that's the fun part of it when you when you have something that you really can deep dive deep into. And a lot of people are just, like, you know,   not knowing anything. Did did they hear something, but and and then they think they know it, but that there's too much darkness.   Well, not darkness in your code, but too much darkness. Like, okay. I hear a bell, but I don't know where it rings.  

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So that's why I want to deep dive more into that kind of stuff because then it's Oh, when it comes to that type of stuff, like, even what I covered on your show, I could have gone so much more deeper into, like, specifications, but it's just like you all Yeah.   Yeah. If you ever, like, wanna get really into, like, deep dive into, like, certain things, I can definitely I mean, this shit is when it comes to magic and the associations and all this little math and everything that you can do, it can get so intrinsic, dude. It's insane. Yeah. Especially Good. In magic and the Kabbalah.   It's just like thing layer over layer over layer that you could play with and use and things you could design and whatever. Words, tarot, symbols. Right. And the thing a lot of is that have been breached now right now are these layers unfolded by themselves, by another religion or spirituality?  



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Just like, okay. We're gonna take a little bit of this, a little bit of that. You know, we're gonna make not McDonald's hamburger, but we're gonna make our own that we're gonna call it Wendy's, but it's the same fucking thing. You know? But then they'll say it'll  

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be the other ingredients and stuff like that. When you think about what's really interesting, especially when it comes to, like, you know, people consider themselves, like, thalemic or into, like, thalemic magic   and would use those rituals that I did on your show   with, like, Thelema   or if you're into, like, the OTO type style stuff. Yeah. I would even say the golden dawn would technically even still fit kind of even though they do focus on specific Egyptian deities.   You can   with with the OTO, you could have someone who's into the Greek pantheon,   someone who's into the Egyptian pantheon.  

So, like, what I'm getting at is that you'll have a Buddhist you you'll have all these different people that, like, they could be using the same ritual, but the way it's gonna look is gonna be completely fucking different because they're into a different style or a different way of portraying it. So what I'm getting at is that, like, this stuff could be going on, and you'd have no idea because   it really isn't one way to say that's what it looks like, and that's how it's done. It's it's Right.   Like, again, on the show, I did the basics of what those things tell you to do. All that other stuff, you the practitioners gotta come up with that on their own.   Right. Yeah. And I like when you said that All that stuff is really the practitioner and not the actual  

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Right. Bones, you know, to to the ritual itself.   And what I really liked when you pointed out out of in the show is that, like,   the the best match gets to do nothing. It just should happen. Right?  

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Yeah. I think meditate. I don't think for me, meditation, I think, as long as you can,  

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yeah, get that Close your eyes and and and get into that. Close your eyes. I would see meditation, breathing techniques, and  

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trying to visualize certain shapes and colors with your eyes closed, doing practices like that. I think that, believe it or not, as cheesy as it sounds,   doing all of that will probably get you farther than some person fucking around with lavender and, crystals. So don't   I'll just be keeping it real.   You know? Because you're you're actually focusing on you instead of the world around you and trying to bend some with somebody or somebody's will somehow.   Because that's the only way something's gonna happen for you in this physical reality. Somebody something's will is gonna get bent to yours, and, technically, that's black magic.   Right. So so when you when you keep, I think, the idea of magic is actually working on you and going into your own mind and trying to fix it. You you have much better results and much much more beautiful, like, more experiences.  

In your own black abyss. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's I'm the one who walked away for you know, in my opinion, I'm the one who's kinda turned my back. You know? It's not every it's my it's my head I gotta fix.  

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Well, the key the  

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the the the kingdom of Jesus Christ is within you, so you're you're a god particle yourself. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was saying too that I do believe that. Yeah. I think the last episode of explain in that.   Yeah.   But, yeah, with the, crossing the abyss, yeah, again, I, you know, I just wanted to preface that I you know, no drugs, no rituals.   Yeah, just just pure meditation   is is when it happened. I mean, if you want, I could go into it and start going into, like, I guess, the   whole thing. You know, there's a whole, like, visual and feelings that I can cover.   That that will get the blocks. If you would like to.  

Because they'll get into the black sun and all the visuals and the feelings. Right. Right. So so that that's yeah. Yeah. There's certain things that I do wanna explain too that it's like, well, first off,   there'll be a few times that it's like, I will have to try to give examples of different ideas to even explain the situation because it's almost like there's no words, at least in the English language because that's what I speak. It's like there's no words for me to, like, fully explain or try to even give somebody an idea of what I'm talking about. So just, you know, sometimes I have to try to use things to give people an idea.   Yeah. That and,   I it it it does entail, you know, at some point, it will entail, like like I said, the certain, images that go on and then certain feelings, and I'll you know, I guess I'll just get into that now. But, like, again, I said that I would normally, meditate.  

We either sit in a chair or lay on the bed. Let's say we're doing on the chair.   Sit in the chair and I put my arms on my legs, kind of, like, flat. It's called the god pose, and you make sure your back is on flat back too. It can't be like it has to be a flat back chair. Like, I actually literally had to go find a chair with a straight back to do this with Right. You know?   K. You'd be surprised when you're looking at all the chairs in your house, how many of them, like, have that bent back. Goddamn it. Oh, damn. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have to think about that, actually. When I need it straight up You need it straight back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, goddamn. I don't actually own a chair like that.   So, yeah, I actually went out while I get to choose a chair like that. And,   yeah, so I I would sit in that.  

A lot of times when I would go meditate,   I would actually have, like, kind of, like,   a, like, a certain way of doing it. It was just you know, I've been doing it for years. You know? A lot and believe it or not, a lot of it was   basic. Stuff that I started off doing from day one when I started getting into meditation,   those practices that I used to try to actually just be able to meditate longer or even get into meditating,   I continued those the whole time. I would just startle I would it's I would start with the basics. I always kept the basics.   So, like, a lot of times, I would sit there for, like, maybe ten, fifteen minutes and maybe not that long, maybe about ten minutes. And, like, I would picture, like, maybe white light coming in   to my body. He's going down. I would just feel, like, a flow of energy, and then I would go back up sometimes. But I would go back in up and down, and, like, I would visualize,   like, a frame of myself and, like, actual, like, white light, like, filling it up and going down.  

And, like, as silly as it sounds, but, eventually, like, after a while of doing that, like, no lie if I was, like, visualizing,   like, the light going down. There were tundra. I swear you could feel the heat on your body where it is. Like, you could all visually feel what you're seeing in your mind's eye with your eyes closed. As crazy as that sounds. Almost like when people play with chakras.   Some people when they play with chakras,   like me, I you can feel them spinning. Some people will say that for sure, you actually feel like a ball spinning. It's like literally almost Right. Right. Like it's within yourself. You actually feel, like, a warmth if I was picturing light going down my stomach. I would feel it. Fucking weird. Or like Reiki.   Like   Like   like you. Reiki with the energy. Yeah. Moving energy around. Yes. So I do that. I would go up and down a lot with that, and then I would go into my shockers. And then I would start aligning my shockers. I would go down, hit every one of them, try to focus on them. Sometimes I would take, like, the top one and the bottom one and actually as silly as it sounds, almost feel like I'm pulling it. So then it's like you kind of align all the chakras. You know, it's making sure you, you know, you're stretching it out and making sure they're all straight and aligned. Wow. Yeah. Like, so, like, they yeah. I would have, like, diff different things that I would try to play with and try to feel and see if I notice a difference.  

And I would do that stuff a lot. And then, like, after I'm done, like, if there was a reason why I was meditating, sometimes it wasn't. It was just like, this is what I do to keep my mind clear and just keep calm. You know? And,   so, like, sometimes it was just for that, or I would go in with maybe an idea and a thought that I wanna try to, like, maybe think about or something I'm trying to understand. Or sometimes I would, like, think about, like, a tarot card or a symbol. I'm trying to think. What does that mean?   So Like an intention?  

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I would go in with, like, an intention, but, like, if if it even happens, it happens. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes Right. Right. My opinion, sometimes,   like,   the less reasons to lust what you're doing, the better results you'll get.   Mhmm. That's even a thing that Crowley says. Don't lust the results. You know? Because I mean, it ain't gonna happen.   You know? Right. Yeah. You just have to let it let it let it let it overcome. Naturally flow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,   at this point, now again,   I've been playing with my chakras. So now I for me, I could feel like I could feel them. But for the most part, you know, I could kind of, like, you know, feel feel the energy.  

I would now start focusing. There was there was one other time prior to this that I was doing a ritual, and, like, I was really focusing hard on my pineal gland in the middle of the ritual. Because I'll even meditate in the middle of rituals too. It's kinda suggested too, actually,   to meditate,   during them. And, a lot of times the last time I was focusing hard on my third eye, and it just, like it's it got weird, but, like, nothing like, you know, what's I'm gonna explain that I did now. It got weird enough to where I was like, I'm not doing rituals anymore, and I'm just gonna meditate.   And about a week later, when I first went to go do something, I had him fucked around for about a week and went to go meditate. I actually went fucking farther and more bugged out than I expected,   you know, from the week before.  

And I was like, oh, I didn't even do anything. Only there was meditate. Like,   I'm   screwed.   Like, what? Do I have to just stop altogether now? Like, damn, man. Like, you know, but Wow. I kept going, obviously. But, you know, because it did free. And, yeah, honestly, at first, it was it was it was an eye opening life changing experience that you have to actually question, like, what the fuck just happened?   But, so yeah. Like, so, like, I literally was not even doing a ritual just to keep it tone. I was thinking, oh, if I just stick with the things that used to be basics, nothing you know? I'm just chilling and trying to, like, calm down, You know, straighten myself out for the day. This is just a meditation. No big deal.   So, like, I'm I'm pressing hard on my pineal gland.  

And normally, like, I don't if you meditate, like, when you keep your eyes closed for a minute, you know, for a few minutes, it's dark. I I you know, I don't know, like, if that makes sense, but it's definitely darker than it was when you first closed your eyes. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like Right. Right. Right. Right. Yes. You get you get into the deep the deep dive of your own abyss. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really. Yeah. You saw something like that for sure. Because it will double darker. Like, if you kind of get into the meditative, like, state, it I guess you're not paying attention to the light outside your eyes, so it gets darker or something. But it will get dark, and, like, I'll press hard on the pineal gland.   And all of a sudden, I noticed, like, in my with my eyes closed in my vision that when I would, all of a sudden, it will look like like it would get, like, really dark   kind of where I'm pressing in my mind's eye. And it would almost look like it's starting to, like, kind of, like, grow.  

And then, like, kind of eased on doing it. I noticed it would kinda go away. So then, like, that's how I correlated. Like, oh, what I'm seeing with my eyes closed is due to me pressing on my third eye.   So then I was like, alright. Well, let's have at it now.   But I'm just, like, like, really trying to focus and, like, crossing my eyes and aiming them up to my third eye and, like, you know, just focusing energy on it and pushing on it hard. And all of a sudden, it's like you see this black   just look like an oil spill.   It just like   Right. Like, what I knew here I go with, like, you're giving examples. If I was let's say I was, like, looking at a black table,   and I was looking down at it and, like, I blew on it. And, like, I was like, oh, wow. It was really dusty. And now after I blew away the dust, that looks black. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you have oil, I you know, I pull the dust away, and you see what black really looks like now because that really wasn't   it's or or if, like, oil was coming up out of the ground and, like, on top of, like, something that looked black, but the oil's darker. Like, it really looked like a ooze coming out, and it would have, like, these thin razor   sharp,   almost like thermal camera,   ultraviolet, like, burning,   thin rainbow colors, like a like a road slick. You ever see, like, oil or water out in the road, and you can kinda see Right. This the all the the the colors? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It will look like that   around the black, and it just eventually, it will fill up my whole vision, and it's just, like, really dark. And then I don't know. Do you ever see Stranger Things?  

Yes.   Do you remember I think it was the third season when 11 would be in that room, and it looked like like a black floor or black water.   Yeah. It kinda looked like that. Sometimes that every time. Sometimes when it gets really black,   all of a sudden, it start to look like it's kind of like like a wave or like a a black silk flag or something like kind of Oh. And   it almost starts to look like waves, and then all of a sudden, it'll just get really still.   It'll just, like, stop out of nowhere, and then all of a sudden, I'll start seeing this burning   bright white light, like, right where I'm pushing on my pineal gland in the middle of where all the darkness started.  

You'll see, like, this   burning   pin dot, dude,   of it's it's it's insane. This, like, white light, like and it looks like   I swear to god.   Crazy thing is is that there's there's other people on the occult rejects as a fuel that have had these experiences, may not have gone as far as I have, but I can at least say, like, they've gotten this far if not farther.   And they've even said themselves, it as if there is even actual distance.   As crazy as that is with your eyes closed, it feels like that you're actually looking at something and there's a distance between you and that vision.   It is fucking unreal. Like, it almost looks like   if you started to draw clouds on a paper and you just try those lines, like, to do, like, these little curves like, if you're, like, a little kid making these, like, you know, cloud cloud drawing. Right. Took those, like, circular curves and, like, threw them into the darkness, but, like I don't know how to explain it, but, like, you left it there. So when the light shined, you'd see that drawing kind of in there.  

So it gave, like, looks of, like, curvatures or   clouds, but it really I don't know how to explain it. Didn't look like How did it look at? It almost looked like layers of things. Right. Right. See the viewfinder? Do you ever use a viewfinder as a kid? That thing you you hold and you go to the next thing.   And it Yeah. Shit was three d, but it was just like a slit with a couple of different things in there. It almost Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it almost looks like that effect where it's like different thin layers, almost two dimensional layer, making some three d as crazy as that sounds.   And there's this bright star like, bright light. I it looks like a star.  

And then all of a sudden, like, if you're holding on it for me,   I hold on it longer, it starts to, like, actually start to come closer.   And then at some point, you almost see, like, blackness starting to swirl around in front of the white ball and then turns into a ball itself,   but a little bit smaller. So now it looks like, you know, the brown the black orb in front of a white one, and now it starts to look like an eclipse.   And then starts a little bit closer.   And then it kind of just, like, for me, it will just kinda stay in this one spot.   You know, it's kinda still far down, but, like, you know, definitely big enough to be like, oh, that's an eclipse.  

And it starts to look like like flashes   of colors   exploding,   like, flashing around it. And, again, like how I said before, how it starts to look like these cloud or circular   cutout shapes   behind there where the white light is. When you see the explosions, you even kind of see that in there.   And it just looks like like, it looks like so, like, when you see these flashes of colors and those designs in there, it almost looks like cloud explosions,   like, around   around the eclipse.   And then and that's like it I if I remember correctly, it's kind of like yellow   and orange and reddish. Like, it does look like almost like fire explosions.  

And then at some point, I remember it kind of just goes to red.   And when you see those red explosions   I don't know if you've noticed my logo. At one point, I used it was an eclipse in roses. Roses?   Yes. The red as it pops because of those outlines and those designs that I said before, it almost looks like and if you were looking down at a flower   with all those curves, and it starts to almost look like roses blooming   or exploding over   around the eclipse. So that's why I used I told the AI to put roses around in the eclipse because that's what it looks like to me.   So, yeah, it kind of almost looks like roses. And I believe it or not, I have often wondered if this is something to do with the Rosicrucians.  

And Alisa Crowley even goes on constantly about his girlfriend, Rose.   Because he he was with a chick named Rose, but   I think he's wiped out talking about that because even one of the occult rejects, Lisa, she she lives in Texas. She went to a library that had,   has, still has,   the voice and the vision written by Aleister Crowley in his handwriting, like, prior to it getting publicized. It's his notes and everything on that book before it got, you know, public, published.   And you will see him in there actually doing jamatria for the word rose and trying to figure out ways to insert it into there.   At that point, I don't think he's talking about his girl anymore.  

It's something Right. I mean, I know the rose is used for no so many different symbols, but in my opinion, I do think he might be using it for that experience.   He's ever had this experience. And when I get to that point, it always looks like roses bursting around the the eclipse to me. It's that is always a constant with everything else I'll say. So it's something I always see, and I know that, like, that comes with the magical experience.   But so also When you see these  

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Yeah. So when you see these things, are are are you got your eyes still closed? You focus on that?   Or do you do you move your eyes? You move your body because I think it's very So pretty much crossed still, like, focusing. Like,  

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It's almost like they're almost kind of, like, cross eyed and pointed up, focusing on my third eye. This whole time, I have this on my pineal gland the whole time I had to do.   And at one point near the end, I'll start pressing harder.   So,   yeah, I'm I'm seeing that, and then the explosions start to go away. And at this point, like, it may have even gotten a little bit bigger or closer kind of, but it's definitely, you know, definitely an eclipse.   And Uh-huh. I will start to see,   basically, out of the four cardinal directions,   you will start to see, like, lines coming out, and then it starts to spin.  

So it almost looks like this spiral.   My opinion, just, you know, whatever. It it basically looks like a swastika. That's what it looks like at first. Right. It spirals out.   And so it almost looks like you're, like, kind of, like, in a tunnel   spiraling,   coming out.   It reminds me a lot of how a camera looks like with the eye that closes, how it spins closed, and you'll see all those grooves stuff. It's very much like and and those colors that are coming out, it's always,   red,   blue, purple, and green   from what I can remember.   It's always those colors. And, again, it's like some, like, almost like ultraviolet,   like, thermal, like, glowing,   sharp burning colors.  

And it's, like, almost like it's, like, pulsating as it's, like, coming out of the eclipse.   Yeah.   Yeah. And then and then at some point, I'll start getting, like, sacred geometry shapes. So almost like you could say, like, maybe sigils, but it's all, like, you know, the sacred geometry stuff. And it's, like, spinning or flashing, and it's, like, flying from, like, the eclipse end. And you see, like, spinning or, like like, flashes   or just, like, all the, like, breezy shapes.   And then,   around that point, it starts to, like this is where I'll really kinda, like, start getting, like, crazy.   And I'll start to eventually, like, have physical feelings,   that will start to come with the experience.  

Around this point before it gets to, like,   I guess, like, the   these visions start coming out the side. But, like, right before I get to that point, I will start feeling in my body, like, near the bottom.   Like, almost like my, it's like you'll feel energy kind of rising from, like, my feet up my leg. And, like, let's say by the time it gets to my knee, everything below that, though, doesn't exist. It doesn't even feel like it's there to me.   It just feels like it's just like as if I was made out of sand and just the wind just just blew it away. You know what I'm saying? Just Uh-huh. No more there.   Yeah.  

And it's like you'll just, like, almost feel like you're, like, dissipating. Like, leave it in eyes. Like, you're all you're getting erased, like in Tron, when they sucked him into the car.   You know?   So, like, my legs start to, you know, to go and you feel but you feel like energy too, almost, like, kind of moving up as that's bizarre.   So it starts to rise up, and I started to feel like like, going into, like,   my upper body.   And then, like, eventually,   these these shapes will go away.   And there's a couple of ways that I can I have to explain this because it's hard to explain it? If, people would go, like, check out one of my logos, it it's it has, like, these movie cells on it. That's actually, like, a recreation of, Mario from Symbolic Studies. Like, basically made me a logo recreating one of my visions from this experience.   And it has the eclipse, and it looks like there's movie reels coming out. Because that's the easiest way for me to explain this. Now why if those symbols are gone, a little sacred gemat ge ge ge   whatever is gone.  

Start taking, like, these windows or these these these rec these, like, you know, squares,   you know, rectangles,   coming out of the eclipse on both sides and, like, kind of going slow,   and they all look like a different scene or snapshot from a different time, place, or whatever.   Another way to explain it instead of, like, movie reels where where it's kind of like, you know, each one of those cells is like the window going slow. I've said, like, if maybe you were standing on a a train track or a subway and you had two trains passing you but going slow, and you were looking into, like, the windows or the cart windows on them, It would almost look like that. Like, kind of, like, going past you. And   they all look like different   just different none of it looks like it's correlated with the next. Put it that way. Just somewhere different, somewhere something different, something different.  

And I've never really been too interested in them before, but there was one time   where instead of focusing on the middle of the eclipse, I did get interested kind of. I'm like, oh, like, what's up with that one?   And it was, like, literally, like, again, I'm never seeing myself. I'm just witnessing an event happening.   But it looks but it felt like as I've as if I, like, traveled, like, kind of closer to it and, like, turned to look into   the square or, you know, whatever that I was looking at. And,   reason I started thinking to me, like, I always I always joke, but it like, seriously, like, it looked like it could have been, like, Arizona or parts of Utah or, like, literally, like, Mars or if that's even real. Or, like, a nuclear pull. I was just like, it just doesn't look like there's much going on or even living here.   So I was just like, my   my mind or my thoughts or whatever at this point, I started thinking like that, and I was like, yeah. I don't think this is, like, an interesting place to go to.  

And then, like,   it was over.   And one and one thing I will add, then every time I have these experiences,   even, like, when I go beyond this part and have a magical experience, as soon as I start thinking about myself, it ends. And I do think that that's a problem. I think the thinking itself separates me from the old, and that's why it ends. Right.  

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So separating from the ego   when you are meditating  

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and when you're thinking about If something comes, you know, once it kicks back in, it fucks it all up for you. Yeah. Right. Right. Don't put it in. Yes. Yeah. It did disconnect   the oil, I think. Yeah.   So alright. So now if I don't   look at the thing, normally, they keep going.   And then,   they will disappear   eventually. It's almost like, like, they they feel, like, kinda, like, just fade out and stop.   And now the black, like, you know, you'll just see the eclipse, and it's just, like, it's, like, so fucking ominous.   And all of a sudden, like, the black sphere in the middle,   instead of how the moon waxes and wanes like this,   that black sphere will start coming out of that white circle   from bottom to top.  

And believe it or not, this is what I think is quite possible what you're seeing.   When you for my vision, every time I see this, when the black sphere starts to slightly start separating moves up   Uh-huh. Look just like Toth's headset with that crescent moon in the sphere.   That's Yeah. Lift up. And as soon as it separates fully from the white sphere and you'll see the black sphere,   it's like it goes up and all of a sudden again, I'm pushing hard on my pineal gland   this whole time.   Soon as that shit separates, I swear it's like something changes. And all of a sudden well, first off, the white light looks like it's crazy. It sounds it looks like you're looking down the barrel of a gun, and you pull the trigger, and it's like the bullet just goes.   Yeah. Yeah. You're Right at you. And then you for me, I literally feel as if, like, whatever I was pushing on literally just, like, smacked it back into my fucking face like it was playing tennis.  

And it feels like you literally got shot in the fucking head.   You I felt a crack the first time. I swear to God,   something went went on. And then all of a sudden, all that energy and everything that's inside your body, you feel that starting to wash up into your head.   And then   below my feet,   it's the only way I can explain this one is if, like, maybe I was laying on the beach, the water crashed,   started rushing across the sand, and if somehow, like, my feet my soles weren't there and the water could run through my body. That's not as crazy as it sounds. Right. It literally feels like water is flowing from the soles of my feet   through my body. Like, I literally felt like I was like a stream of water.  

Like liquid. Yes. Like liquid pouring through my fucking body, bro.   Right. And then and split it all marching and t through it. Then all that shit   starts to like, all of a sudden,   it starts to go through my head. I almost literally feel, like,   now, like, this disappearing.   Uh-huh. And when I hit my ears, I go deaf.   As soon as I go past my ears, I don't hear anymore.   All I see is visions.   And then, like, all of a sudden, like, when I get to the back of my head,   it starts to feel like I'm, like, literally,   like, melting.  

And all of a sudden, like,   I'm completely feels like I'm completely weightless. It feels like I start getting stretched out from, like, my head to, like, across, like, just this plane.   And then it feels like I just start to, like, melt into that.   And, like, it's the most insane, intense feeling. Like, it almost feels like you just start vibrating   with, like, any if you were to think of, like, the love for, like, a child or your parents or your wife, husband, like, whoever, like, it actually you know, love, like, real love. Like, you totally adore this person.   Hundred or a million times stronger than that, probably still cannot come close to the feeling that I have felt. At this point, there is no thought of anger,   fear,   hate,   guilt, shame. It literally just feels like the most intense feeling of love comes over you. And I don't think of anything except just feeling that and just being part of the vision that I'm having.  

And it just feels like you just fucking blow out into outer space. And that that's one of the craziest things is too I mean, I've always thought NASA was somewhat cold, like, bullshit sigh up.   Not to sound corny not to sound corny, but a lot of the visions that I've had that after I've had a magical experience looks like a lot of shit that NASA hands us and tells us is like a fucking aurora or the outer space or some fucking cool pretty shit. Like, I swear to god, they're kind of the same shit that I visualized   that I'm, like, floating or a part of. And you just feel this That would be partly an awesome thing. Feeling of love. That   yes. But dang,  

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dude, dude, that would be so fucking awesome when they gonna point out the state of consciousness that you can   achieve when you do meditating on the right way   and what you're gonna see then and that kind of universe.   Because I I I relate some things that you say on on my DMT trips   about,   the liquid and and the the   that you   you notice that your body is gonna   dissolve   somehow.   But when you look, you it's it's like when you're looking on the table. Right? You don't see anything down there, but when you're looking on the table, you can see as far as you want.   Right? That's the plane that I saw   with my DNT trip.  

And and floating into nothing is very, very.   Yeah.   Oh, yes. Alright. So how many   how   how long does it take to get into that kind of Oh,  

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I mean, again, I mean, I was meditating for years and years and years. And, like, I wasn't even again,   this wasn't even, like, where I was trying to take it when it originally happened. I was just, like, saying But but I mean, when you when you when you focus on your pineal gland, your, your  

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your straight back and stuff like that, you you're preparing yourself for meditation.   How long does it,   let let's   see a trip or meditation like that takes?  

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Well,   maybe I'm still answering the question the wrong wrong way. I mean, if when I when if you have a med for me, when I have a magical experience,   it's a lot easier for it to keep to keep going with it right after the fact. I have noticed it would just be a lot quicker for you to for me to be able to to to meditate and have that happen again. It's almost to where the point where I could close my eyes, and I'll start seeing the eclipse.   I Wow. Just say everything's optimal. I may have to sit down and meditate for forty minutes to get that to happen.   You know? And then that's after five or six years of me meditating, like, probably, like, five times a week.  



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Right. Right. Right.  

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You know, and, again, there was, like, certain techniques that I practiced that I don't know if that helped or not. Like, again, I would practice different breathing things,   visualizations   with colors.   You know? For me, some people aren't like this. Not everybody's like this, but it's very easy for me to close my eyes to actually, like, create visions or colors. Colors. Not everybody can do that.   You know what I'm saying?   That's not it's not easy for everybody to do that type of stuff. Not saying I'm special. It's just, you know, it's just a that's a known thing. It's not everybody. I I don't see that with meditation. I see that with with, with DMT, definitely.  

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Definitely.   Like, complete colors,   like, if you gave like, if movie that you're seeing with with the like a dream, but then more intense also.  

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Well, like, I don't I'm gonna screw it up that that Synthesia   or some shit like that. Sid Barrett had it. Basically, like and I do think that this is probably the same shit. So if, like, people if you, like, put your headphones in and you're listening to music and you just start seeing shit, start, like, creating shit, it's pretty much the same thing that he had. You're listening to music will create visions that you actually can almost fucking see with your eyes closed.   But I probably a lot of people probably have that more than they do or that's it's you know, just don't acknowledge that they'll sit there and daydream actual visions.   That's not actually a normal thing for every human being.  



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Well, the same thing is if you read daydream. Right? So if you, if you drive,   a road every single day, you got your routine that you all of a sudden remember just like, oh, fuck.   What did I do the last five minutes? So where what why was you with your head then? Maybe don't like well, you you visualize it was just my head was me or what you're listening in a scenario that looked fucking like TV.  

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Right.   Easy.   What's gonna do? Easy. Oh, it's here when this happens. Well, yeah, you're playing a fucking whole scenario in your end and you're, like, sold out.  

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Yeah.  

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And you're there. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We don't did you just say you ain't paying attention, dude? Sorry. No. I wasn't.  

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I but and and, of course,   only reality is that you that you meditate. You you don't have time. Time is something that's, you will construct. Right?   Also something. Right?  

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Yeah. I used to and I used to you know, I would meditate, like, two or three times a day sometimes   too before work.   But I got home sometimes at night.   I   music or,  

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sometimes both. You know? Sometimes I would. Sometimes I would. Yeah. Like, even information, stuff like that or maybe maybe, like, guided meditation, stuff like that. No. No. It would probably be, like, normally, like, instrumental shit.  

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Right. Mellow instrumental shit like, liquid dream or like, Stephen Roche.  

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Yeah. Yeah. And then just imagine your own Oh, Liquid Love. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Like, a lot of, like, basically, like, synthesizer music. I I would listen to, like, since shit.  

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Oh, so maybe and I just just like,  

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I don't know about I did do that sometimes too because I knew that the gateway tapes worked. You know, the gateway tapes, those Hemi sync sound. The gateway tapes. Yeah. No. You can find Hemi sync sounds on YouTube. So sometimes I would pop those in. You know, I would listen to those. I got just so, you know, if it went well, anything different.   But  

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Don't you,   what do you think about this?   So when you start to   not feeling your legs anymore, like, the the the part of the the the sand or or or the the water.   Maybe the feeling that you're gonna get and what when it's gonna be up in your head, like, the warm feeling and stuff like that, the energy,   maybe could could that be the the oil of the klaustrum   is gonna   be 100%   activated?  

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I do think that's quite possible, the corpus colostrum you're talking about. Right.   I do think there is,   besides the eyeball, and I haven't gotten to it yet, and I can't I don't wanna get into it too much because I'm gonna be very rusty on it. But, like, we were gonna go into the brain, and, like, we did kinda start working on it. But,   there's a lot of symbolism that you will see inside the brain too as well as the god. And the corpus colostrum, my opinion, is one of the bigger ones that you'll see. So I do think there's something up with that. You know, again, even the guy, HR Geiger, who did the alien shit   Uh-huh. Start looking at the aliens in all different phases. Start looking at the fucking brain and tell me you ain't gonna see those motherfuckers in there. That guy was in a cult. He was a Thelebite. He was huge into Crowley and Thelema.  

That guy Yeah. He was doing.   Those those those aliens are literally based off of, like, fucking physical parts of my body. I do do believe.  

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Yeah. Is it   is isn't it also,  

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like, because you don't want to get too much into the eyeball, but I really was fascinated by the things that you said, like Oh, no. I have no problem with the eyeball. I'm gonna say the brain. The brain, I can't. I don't wanna get on the brain. Yeah. No. I feel that's that's it. Yeah. The eyeball, I could talk about a little bit too on the floor. For sure for sure, I could do it. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Because you were saying you  

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were looking to it. You you were going to a doctor and and check your eyes out because she said, is the isn't positive like it's   right? My eyes from   my inner sight?  

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Yeah. When every time that I've ever messed with magic now this is another thing too. I could sit down and meditate and bring myself to seeing those movie screens,   and then I'll shut it off once I feel like it's getting too close. Because, again, I'll start feel certain physical things that   will be enough to trigger the fear of, like, I'm not sure if I wanna do this. Well, that takes you out of it. You know? From my opinion, as soon as you even fear what you're going through, that will stop you.   You don't fear like the orphan tell you. Just let let let the experience happen. You'll be okay.   You know? Right.  

So, yeah. But, like, I so I know I could take myself out of that. Now if I bring myself to that point,   even that will screw up my fucking eyes. But every time I've ever messed with magic, one of my eyes will get will be bigger, and the other one will be pinned.   My right one will be my left one will will be the, bigger.   Yeah. The last time when it happened,   it was four millimeters   difference   between both. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's big. Yeah. Basically, like, one was at two, and the other one was, I think, at six. And it can go anywhere. So one is wide open because you got your, go   a little bit more open than normal.  

Right. Only it kinda, like, stays, like, around four or five, I think. But that I think there it was at, like, a a six in the other one. So  

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so so what's your guess guess at that? So I I I I I I I'm thinking about, like, someone who's blind.   He can see through his eyes, but still he will see and feel the environment.   And maybe   in his mind, he can make some images about what he sees in the real reality that he doesn't see. Oh, yeah.   Yeah. I I I got I got something like that when I when I'm I'm listening to a story like that. But it it it makes a lot of sense because these people also are connected so balancedly with their,   with the pineal gland   because they have to. You know? That's their intuition. Everything goes through your body,   especially when you're not   yeah. When you close your eyes, you're gonna   figure things out.  



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Well, I even think it just goes along with even, like, the whole chemical change going on. I think, like, you your one eye, I think, died, you'll get smaller. Because when you do that, you actually suck more light into your eye bag.   Right. Yeah. And and then That's why I think pupil gets wider or not. Right? So Yeah. Because if you're, like, really swollen, we'll pull we'll pull the light in harder to fucking get by. Right. And if you're lucky if you're lucky, if you have blue eyes, you'll pull in more light too. For some reason, people with blue eyes will suck more light into their pupil.  

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And Nick has beautiful blue eyes.   But yes. Of course.  

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Well, it's fascinating. Interesting about that too, though, if you start thinking first off,   the only way you could do that if your eyes become unyoked.   Your eyes are yoked. They're supposed to change together.   So you have to unyoke your eyes. I mean, now you could start getting into, like, egg symbolism. The even the infinity sign, if you think about it, if if it was like this and then you twist it, you just unyoked two gears.   You know what I'm saying? If you know what I'm saying? If you thought of a a a tank track, you know how it wraps around while all the wheels now I think if you turn it like this,   everything's gonna they're not gonna be spinning the same direction together anymore. They're actually gonna be unyoked and be going against each other.  

Think you think if you take this and turn it into an infinity sign, you're actually   yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I do I actually believe all that stuff has something to do with it. But, like, you do have to do that, but if you think about it now, one of your eyeballs is in flight mode, and one of your eyeballs is in fight mode.   That's exactly what Horace does.   He flies because he's This makes perfect sense.   At the same time. So you're but you're in flight and fight mode. If you were the the warrior of Horace,   you'd be flying and fighting at the same time. And they always talk about the AR of horse in the OTO.  

Oh. Oh. This is something I've noticed, though, just because somebody even said it. It's like you they told me I didn't even catch it at first. Oh, they're like, your eyes were like, and one was in flight mode was in flight mode, and I was like, that's fucking the warrior horse.   This is interesting. Yeah.   The   you know, one thing one fun fact too for people, your eyes do actually project out six feet.   Six feet. Yeah. Six feet.   Yep. They project out to.   So that's six foot. So that that's   that's six foot thing was very weird for me because, again, I just started having magical experiences and, like, no lie. Like, in one of the logos I I have, I have a hood that just has eyes cut out. It's it's it's it's to an order that I was not in, the Astra Magenta, but their hoods, I did get a hold of one of their robes. I bought one because it looks like like a magical, like, ninja or, like, you know, like an executioner. Right. Crazy. Looks fucking crazy looking. And I thought it was going to look, and I was like, I want that. And it even came up from fucking Spain. I had to get it from Spain.   It just has the eyes cut out. There's no mouthpiece.  

And, like, I would use this sometimes. And when COVID came around, they're like, yeah. You gotta throw a mask at a state, like, six feet away from each other. I was like, yo. What? You took the fucking cloak?   I was like, yes. That's like me wearing my hood and my eyeballs projecting out six. Right?  

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You're walking around in this car. It's fucking stonewort.  

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No. I wasn't aware of that, but it just reminded me. It was just like, yo. This thing's fucking weird.  

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Right.   Right. Well, what do you think that that the probably, you know the answer.   What is the the the symbol of the cloak? Why is it   is it to to cover yourself completely?  

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Alright. So we'll get into the eyeball a little bit now.   Your eyeball, your pupil, when it when it gets big,   it's almost like it pulls out from the four cardinal   four cardinal directions. It'll make a cross to pull out. It almost, like, kind of, like, pulls unravels that spiral.  

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Uh-huh. Oh, and you have to say You lost   Oh, you lost me? Is it is it me?  

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Oh, I'm doing that. You're still there. Well, I just just lost it for a sec. Just just a second. Maybe just, Oh, yeah. It might have been a glitch.   Yeah. I think. Yeah. But the eyeballs, yes. The four corners. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I what was the original question? I forgot why I'm even giving you this answer. Shit. No. You yeah. I I was  

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wanted to go to the close, and they say, like, swear the close. So it's my bad. My bad. Yeah. I'm gonna get two of the rituals, actually.  

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Alright. I do actually believe this. This is just my theory. I've never heard anybody else say this.   It goes from the four cardinal directions. Now, again, when your pupil dilates   to suck in the light,   it twists closed.   Now I'm going in this ritual like I did last last week or last show.   You go to the four cardinal directions, and you're charging, and you're using this goddamn, and you're fucking taking control of that corner.   And as you're doing that, you're in your black robe spiraling around.   I actually think that some of these rituals are actually showing you destroying the gods or the energies within your eyeball at the four cardinal directions that's keeping it open, and then   your spiraling closed,   pulling in the light as you're invoking.  

Pulling in the   I actually do believe   that if you're wearing your hood and you're doing those rituals and you're I mean, you're wearing that whole outfit.   My opinion, at some point, I do think that shit was designed to actually show you the change within the eyeball as well.  

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It's crazy, man. But I do believe Could it also be, like, if you're,   completely covered in a black cloak, for example, that   you do not using is, like, perfect.   Right.   Right. So so when you're having a complete black,  

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cloak on, it looks like you're not there. You you can say Yes. You're like the pupil. You're basically the pupil. Just it's yes. Yes.   Yeah. That's that's why I didn't   And the thing is is that when you go to oh, when you go to pull the light back,   if you were to pull the light into your eyeball,   when your pupil is big, it's actually pressed closer. It just widens open.   When you're actually pulling the light in is when it gets smaller, and it's actually getting pulled back into your eye longer. So what I'm getting at is instead of, like, a little bump, you're gonna look like that person standing up because it's getting stretched.   Right.  

And the hyaloid canal then bends and starts to look like a snake I mean, an s. You get all sorts of shit starting to change inside the eyeball that you will see. Symbolism and tarot and all sorts of shit.   Wow.   The the inside your eyeball, you'll have the aura sirotta, and it looks like basically a seashell wrapping around your eyeball. And then underneath it is the aqueous humor where it's just water. But above that is what is liquid in your eye that contains   blood. It sounds crazy, but I honestly think this is where because when I was even in Italy and Rome, I saw so many fucking water fountains that looked like a fucking seashell of water coming out.   You'll see that shit right in front of their fucking churches. I honestly think that's even the baptism.  

The water coming out of the seashell   is literally depicting your eye.   Because now if you if you wanna look at the lens in your eye, in your eye and the way light projects out of it, it actually looks like the lens could be the person's head, and the way the light projects out of it is a hangman's fucking body.   And then you'd see water getting on top of its head from a fucking seashell.   So   water to wine. You have the aquarius humor which is water, and then you have the blood in the fucking back of your  

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Oh, dude.  

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You'll see that the   creatreus nerves looks like a tree. If you look at the seashell and then look at the hyaloid canal, it looks like a flower petal that fell on the floor. I mean, there was just tons and tons and tons of crazy symbolism you can use. Just a little sip as eyeball parts.  

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Of course, we got the idea of seeing eye.   I mean, that makes perfectly sense.  

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Because Why do you think Why is that? Or Maybe that's why the eyeball is constantly used. It's for a cult symbolism. This has something to do with the fucking eyeball.   Think about it. It's always an eye triangle.   Maybe it has something to do with the fucking eye as well.   I don't think anybody do that. Who would have   thought that your word is   spectacular   might have something to do with the eyeball?   I I I didn't for years either. It makes so much sense.   It makes so much sense. It connects so many dots now with my hat. That is your reality. It's depending on what these things are looking at and how you're you see and what you're looking at. Well, how what's you're gonna it depends on your day.   I think you have a right list to say you feel this way. Does it do that to you? Does it do this to you? How have you programmed yourself to feel when you hear that sound and see those colors? How are you program see those clothes or you you'll see that behaviors?  

Just think about that.   It's really a relationship between what your eyes are showing you and your brain decides to think about it or what you've been told to think about  

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it. Oh, fuck. Yeah.   Oh, yeah.  

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Are you doing Not not to even knock our parents, but them popping us out. We're basically biological   AI that have been fucking programmed by parents, teachers, and every all the grown up around us.  

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Yeah. Sigma, dogma,   conditional is all programmed.  

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That's solar powered because, again, like I was saying last time, you those light comes into your eyes, and then the optic nerve gets trans turned over to electricity. And then that's what's pumping your whole fucking body now. Your nerves, everything. Right. But your blood your blood goes gets flowed from the electricity through the nerves. Your everything's working off of that,   And it's coming from the sun. So, I mean, that's kind of like solar power to me.   Yeah.   This is So what about this? Like, you just want to use. Basically, there's information coming off the sun, and our eyeballs   turning into electricity, and our brain deciphers.  

That's like a whole situation  

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going on.   If I do sun gazing, I really like it when you when I focus on the light, the big light, and all of a sudden, you see just only the ball. But if you focus a little bit more   and don't wink your eyes and stuff like that, but just keep your eyes on one spot, you can see the transfer of energy and data.   I swear to god. And you can you can manipulate that also. Like, you you you get it, or you can,   make it like a wave.  

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I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah.  

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So   does that also   maybe with little segue   get into the black sun?  

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Well, in my opinion, that's what I'm looking at. The eclipse is the black sun.   He's like, yeah, I told you when it starts to spin,   I didn't get in too much because, you know, it can get, you know, a little whatever.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Watch a look at swastika's spinning to me. That is honestly, this is one of the things I think is, like, fucked up.   And, like, I guess as a shithead magician,   I guess it's a genius move. But, unfortunately,   like, a symbol that I see every time before I have a magical effect and have a beautiful experience with God,   some motherfucker perverted and twisted and use it as an image of fucking evil.  



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I think that's that's exactly what they want pointed out with  

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that kind of stuff. And it's just like, how the fuck it's already Perverted it. And, like like, basically, copyright the image that every a lot of people believe it, and I also see these things, these same images before they have a magical experience. It's not just me. So basically, if you look like a shutter somebody's fucking experience.  

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Right. But if you look like a shutter or the beginning of,  

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James Bond, It was this this shutter, you know, from Yes. That's that's That's exactly what it looks like. It looks spinning gas. Yeah. See. Wait. Four  

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if if yeah. The four squares that go like this, and then you got your swastika. You don't have to do anything for it, it, dude. And, like, people think that, like, the whole spiral with the DoubleO7. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.  

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Yo. That was Yeah. D. That was John d's number was DoubleO7.   No.   Yeah. That was his that's That's what he signed. Yeah. That's what he signed his name as. His double o seven, John d, man. Yo. So, like, if he was an occultist, actually had a magical experience, I mean, why would they not use all that symbolism? That's what you see when you have So and you got  

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oh, dude. Here. Here's another one. So you got double o seven. These are two o's, like, two fucking i's.   And seven I think seven is one of the of the god numbers. Right?   Seven seven days a week. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Four? I would prefer to say. Yeah. I like the way I like something too. You rested on the seventh day. Well, there's maybe something different. Dude.  

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Yeah. I never read. You got something right. Mine you just blew my mind with this James Bond shit.  

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Well, it's it's the it's that shutter. And and you see, like Yeah. I know. See where you still was, like, hold.   And it's like the barrel day you pointed out beginning of the show, you know, that that you see, like, a barrel because   you you  

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you visualize that kind of stuff where you see No. Instead of my trails, like, there's literally distance too, which just you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, that's Yes.   Fucking it looks like it has depth.   You close your eyes and it literally feels like there's depth between you and that image. It's fucking bizarre.   That's, like, the show other people that explained that to me that they were like, that was one of the weirder things too. Like, you know, even as the whole situation starts up, it's just like it literally feels like there's a distance between you and this image. It's fucking weird.  

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Yeah. But also with the eye, just like what you said about, you know,   as above, as below,   the the the universe you create because when you open up your eyes, your own reality is like the universe, the garden of Eden that you project   with the kingdom.  

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I honestly believe this is why Alastair Crowley used to say every man and every woman is a star. Because let's just say this is the image that   what he sees, you're gonna have to find your star and lock onto it to get the fuck out of you. Do you remember I said it looks like a burning star in the fucking sky?   Yeah. I mean, maybe that's what he was getting at. Every man and woman is a star. I mean, that's Right. Burning bright star, and I have to lock on to that to to have that experience.   Again, I'm not trying to they I know we're old. I'm cracking this shit, but, I mean, that's from my experiences, that's how I could see these things making sense.  

[01:24:20] Unknown:

So would it also be, like, the the real stars that that you're gonna pour now? Like Go ahead. I don't know. I don't even wanna start even trying to contemplate all that shit yet.  

[01:24:29] Unknown:

You know what you get?   It's a little   out there in the sky actually mean. I'm just fucking going back home. ET's going back home.  

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well,   the those makes  

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Crazy stuff. I do believe, though, is is this is the crazy thing, which makes me wonder shit like that is because I do believe that when you fuck with magic, sometimes when you come back, you may actually be creating UFO looking effects.   Like, I do actually think there may be something that you see when somebody comes, you know, back   back home   or back here.   Here's So a lot of times when there's been a lot of, like, especially even Jack Parsons doing his Babylon workings, they They were supposed in a lot of UFO sightings going on at that talk.   And there's the I mean, listen. I'm not trying to knock the dude, but I do think Steven Greer is fucking with magic, and I think that's sometimes why his people, when they're all meditating for him,   they'll see weird shit in the sky because you're actually making a fool happen with magic.  



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I'm just keeping time.  

[01:25:29] Unknown:

You're going through dimensions and stuff like that. Dude, I think that Look how they even depict the cis flying saucer. It looks like an eyeball, like, basically, a slither of it looking   down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are calling the little fucking bulb that bump that's on your eye too. Because your eye isn't perfectly round. It has a little knob on the front of it. It literally looks like if you took a slice of your eyeball,   that's the top of the sauce. Oh. It does take some time as they do look. You like it. What the fuck? See if I could be someone who is meditating and looking and flying, maybe astral traveling? That's yes. I would say astral traveling.   Yes. I do think that, actually. I wasn't gonna get that to keep the use of it. That's yeah. These are just theories I have from, you know, just things.  



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You know? I love them. I but because I I I I got the same connection when I'm thinking about that stuff.   And, I know that the indigenous people from, America,   when somebody dies,   they say that there's a the swallow, the bird,   there's one of them that can,   which so high that almost goes through the atmosphere.   And they say that the new stars been born that day are the the the souls that leave our   planet,   and they've been taken by the swallows   into   the, into the universe.  

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No. Let us put that.  

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So that that that next was Thank you.  

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Because I have I have actually because you know what's weird? This is how I've explained, like, certain things in my opinion or even our existence. I've even said, like, let's say you have, like, a light bulb hanging from the ceiling and you put, like, a spaghetti strainer over it, and all those lights got separated and shot out and hit the ground. That's all of us, so we're gonna get back to the light bulb. You know what I'm saying? It's like even if you think about it, like, if you're thinking about the stars, I mean, that kind of would align still. Right? Like, if that light was there Yeah.   Like, we're basically grounded light. Like, like, you how can the only thing in my opinion that I think we know of now that can bend or even pull light is magnetism.  

And I do believe that you have gravity. What we're being told is not the fucking truth. I do actually think it's more of magnetism.   So, I mean, if you wanna start thinking about us being stars, I mean, this would all somehow make sense if you wanna start getting into bending light and pulling light from one place to the next.  

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Yeah, dude. Just  

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No. I was just thinking, I mean, you can't make sense of it stuff like I I honestly think magic   and existence really all comes down to electricity and magnetism   or light and magnetism. That's all it comes down to is bending and light.  

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And it also   is really good connected to the theory that we are living on the field.   Yes. Right. Is that the right word? Yeah. So that makes more sense also with the magnetism and magnetism and stuff like that. Yo. When your when your eye when your when your pupil  

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when your lens moves in your eye, it actually makes the floor delete, and it creates a toroidal field inside your eyeball. When the water moves, like, when you when as it   you get a toroidal field in your eyeball.  

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What?  

[01:28:37] Unknown:

Yo, dude. It's as of how small it's fucking it's wild. It is wild. You if you if we were to actually, like, do call rejects at some point, maybe down the road when we have the time, we wanted to actually show you how, like, literally stuff inside your eyeball or if you could start up here, you could start down there. You will literally see shapes and things replicating and getting bigger and either just flipping up one way except or going down that one.   Like, there's parts of you praying that if you were to flip that upside down, you have the woman's reproductive system.   It literally seems Oh. If you flip it up like that, it's in your brain.  

It's fucking weird. That's right. Socialization.   Inside your eyes. So it's almost as literally as if you're seeing, like   what is that? When they do,   holograms, how it's just, like, basically the same shit over the same shit over the same shit over the same shit. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost as if that's what's, like, reflections of this different   same thing, but just different verses of it going through your body. It is actually It's   really Well, you know?  

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No.   No? That's a it's a figure that that somebody I think it was a French guy,   Francois Mandelbrot.   He brought it up   that,   you see an image,   and when you zoom in, you see the same image again. And then you you see the same image you get. That's what it says. In the early days, she got Win app. You know, that that that program where you're gonna make some music on and that which was   and he had mill drop. That was like a because I think he he made that by an IBM computer.   So he programmed that, like, I got this shape, and what I'm gonna get into it is gonna make another shape and another shape and another shape. So that's  

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dude. That's what it looks like. I've literally   well, do your brains, like, you know, like your throat in down in reproductive system. You don't see almost the same shit, but just getting, you know, neither up like that or flipped. See? It's very weird. It's almost as as above, so below.  

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And with your eyes, you can choose   to have   dark and light.   It's the only it's the only thing in your body that that that eventually can shut things off or not.  

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And and the the way light, like, it will hit your lens and then bounce and flip back.   So, I mean, you go go as above so below   the way light bounces off your lens.   So it's also a little bit like the album from Pink Floyd. You know? The light and then the Prisma. What's crazy is that if we were to actually, like I'm almost positive. If you were to, like, go and read how, like, the light gets flipped in your eye,   we   or should be standing upside down hanging from the Down. Yes. Yes. Like, it actually you're just like, wait. Does that mean we're upside down?   Yes. Because you your your your the little things behind your What? They'll be going. So it's like, I don't want anything on my feet, but you  

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It's I'm asleep.  

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So when you close your eyes and you don't notice about, a a an object that you can focus on gonna be wrong, but I do think if you look at it, technically, you'd be like, I think you should be actually upside down then if this is how we see ourselves.   Yes. I think the the point out of the school, which is, of course, very,   discussable.  

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But   oh,  

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yes. Oh, you got me fucking interested and fascinated by the eye now, man. You know, I'm gonna do I've I've said before, I say it again, please. People are interested in occultism, go study how the eyeball works in the brain. Fuck. For a sec. But learning more than the average person who thinks they're an occultist.   It means So we are Even blood even yeah. I mean, not to get into it too much, but, like, even I do think even blood in certain elements of the blood is used in symbolism a lot.  

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Well, is isn't every everything   macro, macro, meso?  

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Like, I even think, like, technically, like, even, like, the, you know, the iron in the blood or, you know, even, like, the DNA. I mean, the old is grounding, and it looks like chains. Like, I do think it's all very much used in a cult symbolism.   I do think in some ways, we also today and I do think the blood is kind of, like,   it's kind of, like, what grounds you or keeps you  

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here too as well. Well, if if you if you have the sun,   if you're looking at the sun and you close your eyes, within a few seconds, you see red. So it yes. It seems like you see the red of your of your,   of the blood in your, what what's it called?   Your eyelids.   Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But it's the black and the red, which always fascinates people because I like these colors. You know? Black and red is just like, love these colors.   But, yeah, there's so much symbolism also what you said about when you do your meditation and when you get into this, magical experience that you're gonna get. There's so many symbols popping up like what you said, the roses, like the the, the squares,   the sphere, the oh,  

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dude.   Oh, no. Just just just put it for thought, man. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's all stuff that I get. It's just very interesting to think about, to tell you the truth. You know? Especially when you have these experiences and you start seeing, like, oh, that kinda looks like what I saw with my eyes closed, but,   I mean, south side.   So I wonder I think I don't know if I showed it to you before, but, like, the birth of Venus. If someone used to look at the birth of Venus and then, like, look at   depending on what picture you find, if you were to just type in, like, maybe the hyaloid canal or some part of the eyeball and you got a depiction of the eye, if you find the right picture because it's the right angle, you'll be like, that's the same fucking thing.   You're like, wow. The birth of Venus picture. Again, I'm mentioning the seashell.  

Is the seashell? Is the orrorcerata? The chick standing there is bent a little bit. The hyaloid canal is bent a little bit. And then you have the vitreous nerves that are hanging out. That's all her fucking hair.   Like, you and then, like, she's standing up with, like, a little nudge that would be the lens where the or where the aura is surrounded. Like, if I was to show you, you'd be like, I see it. It's not even a stretch. Anybody that I've ever shown it to, they're like, wow. That's fucking crazy. That looks So  

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when it dives deeps into Venus, I think about a woman of creation   because she can create other human, but also creation about, you know,   when you get going into the kingdom and the universe and all that stuff. It's your   perception of your reality, so that's where you create.  

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But she she puts she puts she puts the light into form.   Right.   Yeah. She takes the light and gives you something to to fall in love with, something to look at with.  

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Wow. Birth of,   birth of Venus.   So does does that also takes us to, the black sun?  

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Just like you mentioned before, like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Although, again, the black sun, again, I think that's all is,   I don't know exactly what's going. I do think when the black is separating from the white, it might be showing some sort of polarity change again because that's what happens, and then me pushing equals getting slapped. But, no, the whole my opinion, the black sun is I think it's the eclipse when they talk about it. Especially, like, once the spiral starts coming out of it, it starts looking like a spinning swastika. I I mean, it's very Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The black Could it also be, like, a a negative of the real sun?   As I was shadow. Sometimes I've heard people say maybe it's the shadow.  



[01:36:00] Unknown:

The sun Right. But but but if I'm doing sun gazing, I see the these these these energies moving around if you will keep still.   So you got,   so I I saw these these these   figures   when I have, my Ayahuasca trips. So you see all all these these these these things that I see when I when I close my eyes or when I focus on on a bright light. I see these same things in my vision. I see the same things when I'm gonna,   really pinpoint into sun gazing   that the that the energy field from the sun, I see these little,   I don't know what's it called.  

Figures. Little figures like when when you're having,   k. Maybe you can see it on a camera.   And, of course, this is not a good example. No. It's not a good example. If you look into,   indigenous,   Indians art,   they have all these little symbols.   You know what I'm trying to say here?  

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Oh, this is all weird. Yo. They they draw things that I've seen things that if you started looking at it as possible electrical   artwork, you'd be like, oh.   Yes. And so almost.  

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It's like almost,  

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little entities that's connected to each other.   Yeah. Or it's just like it's like, why are these people depicted so angular?   It's almost like Mhmm. Were to stop thinking certain things or certain stuff   and just say, what else could this look like? Sometimes it may not be people, in my opinion.   Uh-huh.   I mean, even this is another thing too. I mean,   how many symbols have you seen drawn on cave walls and how everybody's just saying is, like, one specific evil fucking thing, and it's like,   maybe there's something else behind it. You know, like, what I wanna get is, like, the spiral symbol. You know how old that is? And so many Oh, dude. So many people disregard it as, oh, you see that? You're a fucking pedophile, and that's all that means.  

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No. The the disregard.   No. But that does happen. There's a lot of people who think that out there, and that symbol is, my opinion, fucking deep as shit. And if you disregard it Same thing with the swastika. It's been perverted. It's been perverted. It's certainly here. We just can't talk about it or can't deep dive into it, deep dive into it. Because if you if you're looking at the old,   and all these old temps and stuff like that, swastika has been pre represent   all. And and in several ways, you know, on the left side or on the right side, so feminine and and   masculine,   the the wind,   directions,   northeast, west. Dude,   seasons, the four seasons.  



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So  

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what do you think that that, the Nazis tried to do with the black sun? Because,   I know that they were very, very   interested in the black sun and Himmler, which is, like, 150   kilometers from my place here in The Netherlands,   he had,   Bewelsburg, which is a a triangle  

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castle. And in the middle of it, he had the the black sun is there. Yes. Yes. He did. He did have that yeah. He had that symbol on the floor. And then if I remember correctly, then I thought this was interesting. I could be wrong.   Doesn't he have, like, these these things that have, like, these flames coming out of them with, like, whole   around   them? Again, I know it's gonna sound crazy, but I was saying around the eclipse, I would see these   bursts   all around.   And he's got all these flames   around   the fucking salon.   In my opinion, this is just my opinion. And I know, like, you know, maybe it's   could be wrong. Maybe there's something to it, or it doesn't sound that exciting. But I actually do think the reason they use that symbol a lot,   because, again, I may not have gone into it too much, but in my opinion, when you're fucking with magic,   in that experience, I do think you actually do kind of die, technically. That there's a death and a rebirth.  

And if that's what's happening when I see that image,   that fits perfectly if you wanna be a machine of war. You're using the image of death   when you're doing it.   That's the image that I'm seeing before I think I actually died. I have a magical experience, and now they're using it because they wanna go kill motherfuckers.   Well, it's also fascinating that Or if they're a call this too. It's you're also you're also my opinion, that symbol was also making a claim to everybody else in the world that whoever designed it has seen that image and knows what the fuck it means, and you're making a claim as Right.  

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That's why I have to use a lot of, old symbols. Right? Like I do do it  

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myself. So all the people break to this shit know exactly what I'm saying with my eclipse symbolism.  

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So it's really fascinating that a few miles from, Wewelsburg,   there's called the.   And these are, two tectonic plates that come to each other, and it they look like this.   But it really look like this, Nick. It it's like a finger. So so they're not, like, straight pointed like this, but they are just like that. And they said there there are some stories been told   that,   for 10 thousands of years,   coaches were there because of some kind of energy that's been harvest there or that's been there. And,   also, one of the story goes that that Himmler was a lot of times found there with his troops,   to get into the,   into the forest where where these,   these stones are,   because of of some   magic   spiritual   magnetism,   like an energy that's been there   to, to do some magic also.  

Pretty fucking fascinating.   So what what would look what will what what would the world look like   if we could really explain every symbol that there is? Because there are so many symbols perverted in our society nowadays   that you,   even can't find any documentation about it because then you will be turned into, like, a Nazi or a occultist or whatever.  

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I mean, even back in the day when people used to study the occult, I mean, they were, like, considered polymaths. They were looking at it from, like, seven different weights.   So you would have to actually include, like, music and physiology in there, believe it or not.   So, like, even, like, sound.   And, like, they end up and, like, they had there's alright. Like, a guy eventually gonna be covered on the show, Robert Flood.   Guy was from the sixteen hundreds. He was a rosa he wasn't a rosa crucian, but he promoted rosa crucianism.   This guy in the sixteen hundreds was   drawing in his books,   my opinion, more detailed pictures of the eyeball   than you could actually fucking goop.  

With sixteen hundreds, there's people doing this. My opinion, there was a grimoire I was looking at from the December that was actually showing the eyeball.   Oh. People knew this shit from the fuck, and they knew that this stuff was included with understanding what's going on with magic and a magical experience.   So, I mean Have you have you seen Even even if the whole world, we'd have to actually, like, change the way we've   we're we're everything.   Yeah. Yeah. We'd no. We'd actually to learn. I actually  

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Did you find in any books or any, studies that you did about the autism,   references to the eye?  

[01:43:33] Unknown:

No. Like, again, there's there's older people from back in the day between the 16 and seventeen hundreds that there was a lot of people that pushed it. It just doesn't seem to be a thing anymore.   Right. But you know what's really interesting? I forgot. It's something Oculus or whatever. There is a secret society that's all ophthalmologists   too.  

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All eye doc.  

[01:43:54] Unknown:

We got an eye on you. Oh, the the lie the lions the lions club, which is an extension of the Freemasons, you know what they do out in public to help people?   Eye exams.   Come on.  

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Wow. And isn't it so that a lot of people say, like, if you're looking your pupils, you can look into your soul   and also look into everyone's   pupil or everyone's   iris   has his   own universe.  

[01:44:23] Unknown:

No. You can look into somebody's eyes and actually and it's no joke. It's legit. You can see if a drowning victim drowns. Sometimes they'll use their eye to actually get understanding.   You can see why someone's died or why someone's sick through their eyeball.   It tells you a lot, your fucking eye.   Tells you a lot of what's going inside the rest of that body.   Oh, yeah.   I love this shit. Yes. It's just a good to think about. The that was crazy. There's, like, a lot of just, like, weird science out there that I think that if people came across it, they'd even have to start thinking, like   like I don't know. It's just like, shit doesn't make sense if we even acknowledge other things that the science community exists, you know, accepts.  

It almost like it kinda contradicts, like, how do we even think that this place is the place that we think it is?   You know, it Right. It's just there's so much weird shit that if you actually thought about it, you're like, wait. What the fuck?  

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Uh-huh.  

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Like, there must be something that's been put out there that we really don't pay attention or know because we'd rather play with an iPhone.  

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For real. Right. Right. With a black mirror. Oh, that makes   sense. Well, the the the the funny stuff is also that everything you see is made of molecules, but it's not really there. It's just like more packed molecules. Right?   Yeah.   Yeah. If you close your eyes, you you can make some   like, create whatever you want with imagination   or where you see some stuff.   But now you got me going, man. I'm I'm not gonna sleep tonight. I'm gonna dig into some real  

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stuff, man. Well, the Occult rejects, we have, it's probably, like, almost two years old at this point. But at this point, maybe a year and a half, but I think we have a part series on the eyeball. You could check it out.   Alright. I don't know. Definitely go check it out. And and not trying to promote it too much, though, but I'm just saying, like, we we did actually do shows on that if you wanna check it out for sure. It might help you. Yeah. I love that. You you might even see stuff in the stuff that we're showing that I didn't even notice. You know? But Right.  

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Yeah. We do show for all of us. Two two hours in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   I'm gonna figure out if,   if the thing that I want to do, is gonna gonna work   for me with the recording this on the telephone for for the first time. So I don't know if the, if the video is gonna work. So for the audience at home that wants to see me on Rumble together with Nick, I don't know if it's gonna happen,   but we definitely gonna record it.   We recorded it. Hopefully,   it it turns out to be, easy peasy to, to make work to put on the Internet.   Nick is also recording it, so,   we have we have a double tape. Right?  

Oh, and do we we gonna definitely we're going to,   deep dive into some other stuff.   Too. Tell me if you got any questions, man, or any certain things you want me to talk about, just let me know. I'd love to know. I'll We'd always have a good talk with you. It's great stuff. Man. Thanks. Yeah. It's great stuff. Great stuff. But it's also like, oh, man. When you're connecting the dots while you're talking about some stuff that you that you,  

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experienced, it's like, oh, switch to think about where you're just like, that's Wait.   Right? Yeah. Well, itself, just looking at how, like, our bodies work and everything else where it's just it's interesting enough to so I'm thinking there's gotta be some magical shit going on. Go on. Yep.  

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I think we are the magical shit Yeah. For sure. Exactly. 100%.   One hundred %. Just like,   what I always say, like, I am the I'm I'm a God particle, and I'm a couple of days Jesus. When I open up my eyes, I all I have my own kingdom, my own,   realm that I'm living in, my own reality that I live in, my own universe.   Oh, so I hope that everyone, enjoyed this episode and,   gets not to an eye doctor, but deep dives into the eye for sure.   Big thank you for your energy and for your time.   And, well, hopefully, we're gonna catch up soon again, man, about   some other topics. Yeah. Because   very interesting man. Yeah.  



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Maybe I'll come with a number. Right?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we can do that too because I think there's a lot of things to cover. When we once we we we keep going with talking, we we we pop up with some of the things like, oh, let's deep dive into that shit.   Love it, man. And if you come to Europe once, you know, to, to Rome or to Italy, just   give it a call, man. Oh, yeah. Where are you again? Where are you out there? Netherlands. Well, now I'm in The Netherlands, but I'm not I'm not sure where   my universe or the the the creation,   guides me through. Oh, you come you come close to North Carolina. Let me know too. I think I'm spot for you. Yeah. I will be closer within you within one strong will be closer to you than than you will be, right?   So who knows who what what the what's on the path and how how it goes because I got nothing planned, only the trip, like, one way ticket to New York. And from there, I have some appointments, but, let's see how it goes, man. I'm, excited.  

A little bit nervous.  

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Listen, man. Before I came out here, I bounced around the country to a few different spots just, you know, for, you know, different reasons. But I stayed a little bit longer to hang out and stuff, but, you know, went to shows or certain things, and   it was actually fun. I'm glad I did it.   Yeah. Really. It might have been weird because I was bouncing from, like, Airbnbs and, like, nothing was consistent. But, you know, it was actually a variance. It was pretty fucking cool.  

[01:50:01] Unknown:

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, I got I got a opportunity to do that first of all. And the second of all, I I wanna hop on, like, more mobile with the camper van and stuff like that. But I just wanna see first the the the funny thing is   no one that ever got,   more,   wealth and stuff like that attracted   is because they changed jobs. No one did that because they they went to another job or, better   occupation occupation. Is that the word? Or, get a diploma.   The only thing that they did   is,   geographically   change the place   because then stuff can happen because what maybe what I do now here   is not that valuable for here for Menace, but when I do that in America, it could be very, very fruitful. It depends on what you know, I speak three languages fluently. So that's   one of the things.  

Yeah.   Yeah. Let's see, man. And and and other people, other country, other other other vibes. Dude, I'm I'm I'm yeah. Excited.   Yeah.   And, for all you listeners back home, thank you for listening to this episode of Dazora Productions.   And, no matter where you are on this beautiful plain planet, have a beautiful   grand rising, beautiful day, or beautiful evening no matter where you are. Right? Ciao.   That was great. Funny.   Yeah.   Let me   see this   as a   night.   God's swimming light, and he'll be tight.