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In this episode of the Disorganized Productions Podcast, host Rob welcomes Nick from the Occult Rejects for an intriguing discussion on rituals, signs, and gestures. Nick shares his experiences with rituals, emphasizing the importance of intent and understanding in ritual work. The conversation delves into the complexities of rituals, the use of symbols, and the significance of colors and planetary influences in magic. Nick explains how rituals can be personalized and how they can impact one's life, using examples like improving speech or financial success. The episode also touches on the potential dangers of rituals and the importance of being prepared and focused. Throughout the discussion, Nick provides insights into the Hermetic Kabbalah, the use of talismans, and the role of meditation in his practices. This episode offers a deep dive into the world of rituals and magic, providing listeners with a greater understanding of these mystical practices.

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Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby.  

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What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the lore.  

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Welcome fellow human to the disorganized   productions podcast.   The show that fuels your spirit,   ignites your potential,   and helps you become the best version of yourself.   I'm your host, Rob,   and each episode,   we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential,   and conquer life's challenges.  

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So fellow human, upcoming show is with Nick from the Occult   Rejects, and we're gonna talk about,   his experiences   with rituals   and the signs and gestures.   So   please enjoy   show number 95   with Nick from the Occult Rejects.   Enjoy fellow human.   Ladies and gentlemen,   fellow human, welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions.   Second time caller, this time again   from the up called rejects,   mister Nick. And today, we're gonna talk about a very, very nice subject because I'm I'm really excited about to talk about it. Because Nick is gonna talk about the experiences   in, rituals   and about science and gestures   about these rituals. Right?  

Yes.   So, Nick, welcome to the show. Episode 95 already.   Yes. I missed out on 93. I shoulda hit that one. Yeah. Yeah. Just before you hopped on, I told him, like, fuck. This is the first show I'm gonna do with a dude that looks better than me.  

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Thank you, sir. Thanks. It's the light. It's the light.   Yeah. It's the lighting. It's the light. Yeah. Great.  

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Great to see you, man.   Let's let's let's   let's talk about it because you were doing or we were doing a show basically about,   your podcast,   more rejects.   We talked about a lot of stuff.   And, you hooked me up on Instagram, and you said, dude, I I got some topics that I wanna cover,   especially about the   the signs and gestures about good rituals and your experience on it.   So,   well, so are yours, man.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The reason I hit you up is because I do, I do know that I would I'm going gonna be going on a few shows, actually, covering this topic, and, you'll be the first one out to record it, actually.   So yeah.   Yeah. No. I'm gonna lose my virginity. Yeah. Yeah. I thought about it. I was like, yo. I gotta hit this guy up. I'm sure he'd be interested in this. And I think it's just interesting. And, again, you know, when I get into this, I I will actually get in if we get this far into it, I will get into the actual ritual.   It's nothing bad. If anything that I'm going over, we'll be banishing stuff.  

I I think, you know, the reason behind it is that in some ways, I think it's very complicated   Mhmm. That people wouldn't understand. And in other ways, I think it gets a little bit more dramatized and kind of blown out of proportion in other ways.   I think if people see how bare bones these rituals are, you'll actually realize it's much more up into   the practitioner's intent on what actually is gonna be done. Mhmm. So certain rituals do not automatically mean that you're already   eating kids and sacrificing people.  

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No. Out. Because that you know, you can go to the grocery store and pick up some kids, you know, and start to love for people. They're not prepared yet.  

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We're like, that's even funny to talk around about fuck my life. Yes. Of course. If you don't joke around. But  

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that really that was kind of a funny a funny, scenario to use because you can't get kids there.   But, no. Like, all jokes aside,   I just thought, like   and another thing too, it's just that there's, it's just something that I don't think is, like, really probably in the conspiracy community.   It's something that's really been, kinda talked about or in that in in-depth.   You know?   In the occult community, there's plenty of people out there that will teach you how to do rituals.   I'm not here to teach. I'm just trying to kind of just bring awareness to, like,   maybe some of the this you know, the things people might have misunderstandings   of when it comes to this ritual work. Right.  

But, yeah. I guess, like, if I was to wanna do something and, you know, I guess, just spell or,   you know, you know, create something,   I'm gonna have to at least figure out my reason and my intent.   You know? So,   I don't know. I like, maybe I'll I'll just make something kind of as a base to go off of as we continue.   Nothing too specific, but let's say, like, it has something to do with your job and making money, making more money. I know everybody loves that example, so I'll just go with that. You know, it's really easy. People and money. So and let's say,   I'll even say let's say, like, you're a salesman. This is this is really easy. So if you're a salesman, you you're gonna wanna kinda want the gift of gab,   you know, and you're gonna want it to equate money in sales.  

So we'll just go with that because that'll actually work real perfect with the the kind of, planets that I I went with here.   So, like, let's say I'm like, alright. I I just wanna start making more money at work, and I realize that, you know, with my job for me to do that, I'm gonna have to be able to talk to people   and maybe even in some ways, sell them bullshit or manipulate them or whatever. Or maybe even just maybe the product is good and it sells itself. It's just may beyond that good at selling it. You know, whatever. You're just trying to improve your speech and getting people's attention,   and you wanted to equate your financial, you know, situation.  

Right. So   just to keep it basic, like, I would then start wondering, alright, how am I even gonna do the ritual now? Now for me, because this is a ceremonial magician,   I am very big into the Kabbalah.   In most ceremony I just my this is just my opinion. If you're gonna go into a magical order   and if they have that checkerboard floor,   odds are the order itself does go back to Kabbalistic ideas. Now I don't know if everybody there is gonna know that, but odds are most places that have a checkerboard floor, they're gonna be Kabbalistically inspired, and some of the people there will probably be into the Kabbalah as well. Uh-huh. It's huge in the OTO. It's huge in the golden dawn. You   know, any of those type of, like, hermetic, orders,   Rosicrucians,   all that stuff. They were all looking into Kabbalah and, you know, Judaism and and Catholicism.  

They're looking at both. They will look at both.   So, you know, I would go back to the Kabbalah, and I would probably figure out, like, how am I gonna do this? And now Mercury,   the planet, or, like, I also get into planetary magic. When you when you wanna do rituals, you can even look at, am I gonna use elements to do this? Am I gonna use planetary   energies to do this?   Just zodiacs. You get involved. This the sephiroth that's on the kabbalistic tree again that I was getting at. Mhmm.   Hold hold hold would be kind of where   speech   would come in. Speech and writing, which would be associated with the planet Mercury. Mhmm. Yeah. And it was Mercury as a messenger speech writing.  

It would be associated with that. So   now I would look at that sphere,   and either I will look at stuff that it's associated with with planetary energies, the Kabbalah,   or there is, like, certain books, like, not to it's only because it's what I use or what I used to use for the most part. And that's for Volta guy. It's just a very convenient book. It really is. Aleister Crowley's 777   book. It is it shows you, like, everything is categorized, and you go across the board, and you see everything that's associated with Mercury or Hode, everything that's associated. You know? You can really just go through the book and see everything that you need to construct a ritual or a spell or whatever.   So I would use that a lot. Plus, you know, I would look at other people's opinions on the same things, and mostly all the shit's the same.  

So I would just stick to that book.   So, like, now I would start, like, thinking about, alright. Now if I wanna do this ritual,   you know, what am I gonna do? Am I gonna do a a candle,   just a prayer or offerings, a talisman, an amulet?   Mhmm.   An amulet would normally be used if you kinda wanted to get rid of something.   Now that's really not gonna pertain to this. So I'll say let's say we I'm just gonna go forward and say we're gonna do a candle or a talisman.   Gonna start having alright. Now I have the ideas of what I can use   to even dress on this, the colors and the shapes. And, again, if we're gonna go back to Mercury,   that's the number 8. So at least, like, you know, you have the infinity sign. You have the number 8. If I wanted to make an 8 sided object, I can on the talisman.  

There'll be certain colors now that go with   the planet Mercury in itself. And then if I wanna look at that sphere that matches on the Kabbalah tree, that is Hode,   every sphere on the Kabbalah tree has 4 colors associated with it. Every sphere. So now if I wanna use Hode, I have violet purple. I have orange,   which is honestly the most common one you'll see. I think that's silly as it sounds. I don't wanna get into it too much, but I'm just gonna throw this out there. I do think that's why Trump is sometimes called the orange man because I do think he's playing Tahiti   Latuth in a sense. Interrupt you very quickly. And that's the orange sphere. Can I can I interrupt you very quickly? Because  

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the the the national color of the Netherlands is orange.   It's called the the king is Willem   van, which is called, which is translated in Willem   from orange.  

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That's interesting. Mhmm.   Maybe you see something that will pop up. There'll be that I I talk about that might click. But then never. That's interesting.   So, yeah, orange is a is a normally is a huge one that's used for hold or used for this sphere.   So, yeah, you have,   I'm sorry. You have violet, per no. You have violet, purple, orange, and you have red russet, which is another color that you can kinda use for it. And then you will have, like, a yellow brown with, like, spots of white in it. Okay. Those are the different colors that you can use now.   If I'm using a candle, I'm probably gonna go with orange. If I'm gonna make a talisman, I might, like, kinda draw everything in orange or have, like, orange in the background on it.  

Now I could start adding, like, symbols on there. And there's certain symbols that go with planets   that are associated with planets, and there's certain symbols that are associated with the sphere. I could use an apron. An apron is associated with with the hoe.   Hermaphrodite,   believe it or not, is associated with Mercury and hoe.   The caduce because of mercury.   That is a symbol for mercury or hoe. And, even I don't know if you've ever seen when somebody has, like, a pen and they kinda have, like, a scroll, and they write on a scroll. Yeah. Like, that type of symbol can be used for Mercury or Hode.   So, like, you know, you'd even take the planetary symbol for Mercury.  



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So I schedules?  

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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I was gonna I was gonna get into that. You're good. I'll get into that. Yeah.   I'll get into that a little bit. So, like, you have all these these these symbols and stuff that that you have available that you can use for art if you wanna start carving it on a candle or drawing it on a talisman.   You have gods that will be associated with that planet. Again, Mercury, you have the god Mercury, obviously.   You can use Hermes.   Again, with Hode, you'll have Jehudi,   Thoth,   same guy. Hermes, Mercury, you'll have different characters   that their personality   kind of fits the idea of that sphere.  

Right. These spheres are more than more more of, like, ideas or thoughts   of the mind or certain states of mind in a sense or states of being. And they just my opinion, these gods are attributed to these things because they somewhat kinda give an idea   of if you wanted to personify   what this fear is talking about, this god represents it   kind of. Okay. The best the best of what we got. You know what I'm saying? So they don't when I say these guys, they don't necessarily   go with it. That is the Hermetic Kabbalah. If you're into straight up Kabbalah, it is just god.   Okay. Right. You don't have all these associations either. That is the big difference. And that's why I said, I've had some Jews actually get mad at me because they're like, oh, you're talking about a perverted bastardized vision version of the Kabbalah. Yeah. It's the Hermetic Kabbalah. It's completely different than yours. Sorry. Right. Right. Yeah. No. But I just wanna put that in there that a lot of this stuff is added onto it by a cultist, and it's called called the Hermetic Kabbalah.  

But it does kind of it my opinion,   they use all these symbols and all these things to try to artistically   explain   deep archetypes and ideas that are in the traditional Kabbalah. Mhmm. That's why I'm in.   So   going forward,   yeah, you'll have gods, you'll have archangels, and, like, if I wanted to use Mercury, I'd have Michael or I'd have the for   the sons of gods,   gods again, and toth Mercury.   So now, like, I know I have all these things,   and I can't. I said I could use it like an amulet.   I could use, you know, talisman, a candle.   I may even wanna determine certain things I wanna put on my altar now depending   on what I wanna do with,   you know, depending on the plan. I want to, I could use, I, this is what I used to do. Believe it or not. I didn't have all these crazy, you know, this crazy fancy old with the cloth with all these sigils and the pentagram on it. I would use, I would use an orange cloth for this   because I wanted to go along with what I'm trying to work with. So I have an orange cloth.  

I myself again will kind of go along with, like, candles and talismans, but I'll I'll have all that.   And then, like, kind of you brought up with the sigils.   Now I'll start thinking of other things that I can   add to the candle and to the talisman, and sigils is a huge one.   You can take the again, with certain gods, there's already known sigils for them. So if I wanted to put totes or to hoodie sigil on there, I could,   Michael's,   or I could start designing my own.   And that's what I do a lot too. Sometimes I would design something, make you know, use one of the words   that I'm trying to get at, like, maybe speech or   whatever,  

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that might be mix up your own ideas and make it authentic for your purpose or for  

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Personalizing   the whole thing. Very good. Yes. You were gonna personalize the shit out of this. You're supposed to. Right.   And,   now when I do that, there's there's a few different ways. Now when it comes to since I'm using the Kabbalah and planetary magic, there is a thing called the planetary magic squares.   And that's assigned to planetary magic and the Kabbalah, and it's even, I think, in the abromelon   and,   could there, could there, could there, could Henry   Cornelius the Agrippa, his book has those things in there. K.   And now since hold is the 8th sphere, it's going to be an 8 by 8 square. That means 8 small little squares going down in a cross.  

Okay. And each one of them is gonna have a different number in them.   And that's gonna now this is where you'll start getting into Gematria.   Now let's say I wanted to put, speech.   I would spell out speech and see how much is s worth.   How much is p worth e e c h. And then I would go from s in the number value that it's worth in the square 2 p   e.   I would make like a jump. It's still stating the same square. Uh-huh. Cause it's doubles And then c and h. And then there's my sigil.  

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Okay. So you got numerology  

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also involved for for geomodulation? Gonna start doing those magical plants. They're Right. Where you're gonna have to start using your numerology and geometry to actually create.   That's a see, that's a thing where people, like I know sometimes people don't wanna get into that whole number stuff because sometimes it does get funny. It's like, oh, we're 666 days between this date and that, but, like, you know, okay. So why did it still happen? You know, you don't get anywhere. You see all these weird connections.   Numbers numbers are being used to to design sigils.  

Yes. I think it's one of the oldest ways to communicate with numbers.   Fun fact, just to throw this in there back in the day, that's how some language just got translated from one to the next is they actually use the numerical value of their lang of one language opposed to the next to   to figure out how we can translate this.   Right. That's why I like the rules also. To and it works, so there's something to it.   Right. Just saying so. Just to throw that in there. Yes. Numbers will get important. You'll have to start,   you know, look looking at the numerical value of things. And,   you could do it that way, then there's another way of doing sigils, which most people probably attribute to chaos magic.  

But I still don't understand the point of that phrase because magic is chaos. So it's kind of like magic, magic, or chaos, chaos. I just don't understand that. Mhmm. But people understand chaos, magic. It's always associated with sigils.   Let's say I wanted to use speech again.   There's different ways I could do that. I would use an s p. Now there's the e in there. I could just drop the vowels. Sometimes people drop the vowels, or they'll keep the vowels, and they drop the doubles. You always drop doubles. I mean Okay. Right.   So let's say I'll keep the vowels. I'll have s p   e yeah. C h.  

Yeah. There's no doubles except for the e. Now I will take those letters, and I will actually use them to design   something.  

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Okay.  

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So, like, I could play around with the s and make it funny. Like, you know, look make it look weird and fit the p in there. So you'll you'll actually design, like, something artistic   out of those letters. You know, it's a little bit different than the magic squares. So then again, it's like, I guess another thing where I'm getting at is that   you can have a logo staring at you straight in the face, and you have no idea it was just designed like this.   No. But I'm just saying people would have no idea, like, you know, what oh, looks like it was you know, it looks like something sillier, you know, just scribbling stuff, and it's just no. That's like it probably is you just you don't know. Right. You know what I'm saying? So   you know? And then when you start designing them specifically to you, it's not gonna look like   the same ones that you always see that everybody's pointing at as, like, the major culprits of a cult symbolism.  

Mhmm. It's like, what about the stuff people make specifically to them? You'll never know it.   Bryce, you're into kind of. You'd be like, yeah. Is that a planetary?   Because you'll see the way it's, you know, drawn. You might catch it.  

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So if if I'm   I think I got some got some things in my head while you're talking. Just like if you see a logo nowadays from some people, some the big brands,   that that's like Sigil magic and,   that's magic too. Right? If you have a logo,   like monster and stuff like that. You know, they they they thought about how we're gonna design something   which could be used in a ritual.  

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Well, even   that was even something too. Like, I mentioned, you know, all these colors that I was using.   You use those in a ritual. You would use that in magic. There's   I mean, there's in when it comes down to I'm sure there's people who've worked in advertising and maybe designed to listen to the show that they could even say   it's known.   Certain colors are used to get certain   results in advertising.  

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Yes. 100%.  

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Just it fucking works, man.   Right. Right. And then and I you know, I'm do I'm assuming, you know, when it comes down to these colors, it might be somewhere along those lines where those colors maybe match some sort of vibratory   rate or some energetic rate to what you're looking to tap into.  

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Right. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Because, like, even even that's another thing. Even when I if I wanna start designing a sigil,   orange is the color   that I would use, but then there's a flashing color of blue, which is supposed to, like, help the orange pop   and give a certain look. Right. But associated with Jupiter, which now if I wanted to associate money into this is which is what I'm doing with the salesman,   that blue will match me using Jupiter as well. That's you know? But, you know, there's flashing colors, and that's all because of the perception and the way it makes things look. Right. I think the flashing colors actually help give it look a 3 d or a more in-depth.   Right. Like, it'll look more real in a sense, as silly as that sounds. Because   just so my my opinion   just from experiences I've I've had where, like, my vision is silly as it sounds has gone from black to black and white to color   after fucking with magic.  

Color,   in my opinion, really makes stuff look real   in-depth in detail.   Much more than I could.   So it makes   even if you're under an illusion, color really makes it much more easier to sell.   That, yes. Makes it look real real.  

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That's why I try to, you know, make some things happening.  

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But, yeah. That that's to get to get weird. But yeah. The so, like, when even when it comes to work, there's certain colors that you're supposed to use. It's for, you know, certain reasons. It goes along with certain ideas or what you're looking at. So Uh-huh. I definitely believe that even just colors itself in logos and advertisements   are already trying to get emotions out of you.  

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Vibration frequency, everything.   I mean, and and just like you said, everything has been weaving into each other. So you got when you got a color, you got the vibration, you got the frequency, you got a numerology,   you got a geometric   oh, fucking word. Geo   geometric g what's it called? Geometric.   Geometrica.   Geometrica.   Stumbling on my word. But,   yeah, makes stir makes totally sense. Absolutely.   Yeah. So that's why why you see people with with black masses,   they're not gonna dress up with the with the, flower dress, stuff like that. It's gonna be black mass. Right?   Simple as that.  

But,  

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yeah. So I I forgot, like, kind of where, but, slowly, I'm talking about telesarence and candles now. Now let's say I have all these ideas of what I'm gonna wanna do. You're talking sigils. There might be, I could draw a toll on one side. I could do.   That's another thing. Let's say if I wanted to start using Jupiter in here for the money, the abundance of money,   and Mercury for, you know, helping me at work with the speech and, you know, whatever being slick.   I could do one side of the talisman kind of like Mercury. I could do the other side, Jupiter.   I could do one side of the talisman, Mercury, and Jupiter,   things. I can mix it together. Uh-huh. But now when it comes down to making it,   this is just how I did it. Not every magician would, but a lot of them would, especially ones that are very specific.  

You're gonna think, okay. Now when am I gonna wanna do this ritual? Because the ritual   if I'm using Mercury and Jupiter,   that means it's gonna have to be on a Wednesday or a Thursday at the hour of Mercury or Jupiter if I wanna do it correctly.   Now since the main thing I'm just gonna go with Mercury as the main thing, and Jupiter is kind of like the secondary energy that I wanna use. I could do it on a Wednesday for Mercury and then choose the hour of Jupiter   to do it on.   Right.   Jupiter will come probably 3 times in a day. On the on the day of Mercury, Mercury will start the hour of Mercury starts at sunrise,   and then you'll get 2 more times that it repeats because there's only so many planets to revolve through. Obviously, it's gonna repeat.  

Okay. So, again, I could do it on a Wednesday, and I could do it at the hour of Jupiter. Now if I don't wanna make this candle or the sigil, odds are I'm going to do the same thing again. I'm not gonna do the ritual yet. I'm going to pick   Wednesday. Let's say I might get up Wednesday morning   and wait until I hit the hour of Jupiter   on the first you know, after the first hour of Mercury, I could make my candle, make my sigil  

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Mhmm. Or, you know, my talisman,  

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make all my stuff. I might even wanna make incense that matches because there's incense.   There's crystals. There's herbs that match hold and match the planets.   So I can even start creating my own incense. I'm gonna do that all on that hour.   And then later on, either I'll do it after the 2nd hour, kind of in midday, or if I wanna wait till at night, I'll catch that last one, and then I'll use everything that I made, and I'll do it on that hour of Jupiter.   Right. And that's when I'll actually do the ritual.   But, yeah, I would actually get very specific to where even if there was things that I was making for this ritual,   I'm going to create that,   you know, on the correct,   times and planetary stuff.  

And, again, you know, when it comes to talismans,   it could be just one whole big thing of art. And somebody wouldn't even know it doesn't always have to look very, you know, sigils and just, you know, obvious,   you know, there's, I would use tarot cards   on my altar,   you know, to explain maybe sometimes ideas of where I'm going on the tree.   Uh-huh.   On my altar now before I even, you know, before I do the ritual on my altar, I'm gonna have,   candles.   I'm gonna have,   a white candle and a black candle, and that's to represent the 2 pillars on the Kabbalistic tree and the cherry color. Uh-huh. Now if I'm using mercury, I'm gonna have an orange candle in the middle to represent that that's the sphere that I'm trying to work with.   I may have herbs around it or crystals around it that are associated with, with, whole wood or mercury.  

And the incense, obviously, that I'll be using will probably be   incense.   It could be be like lemongrass and lavender and, like, benzoin or storax, but I'll be using things that are associated   with mercury, and then I will have a bowl of,   believe it or not, I just use holy water from a church. Believe it or not, it sounds crazy. I would use, virtually water, and I would have my own, Himalayan salt.   And I paid the salt into the water, and, you know, I would do my own incense. But yeah. So I have all that on the on the altar.   Depending sometimes, believe it or not, a lot of times, I use I use, like, just my thumb or my finger, But sometimes I would use, I will have a a knife or have a dagger kind of a dagger that I will use when I'm doing the ritual, or I will have I did I did have a wand, believe it or not. Right.  

Or a staff, if you smell like. Uh-huh. So, like, sometimes I could use that. I'm trying to think of everything that I would have on my altar.   I had a lot of crystal spheres,   and I did have I think it was green avatorene. I could be wrong. I think that was the sphere that I had that was associated with Mercury. Even though it's green, it's associated with Mercury, but when I used the photo that was orange,   I would put that on the altar, like, in the middle, kind of, like, to represent, like, a sphere and just, you know, whatever.   So I'd have all that there   set up probably ready to go.  

Prior   to doing the ritual,   I probably sometimes, believe it or not, I would, like, kind of, like, take, like, a bath and just sit in the bath and, like, meditate and think about   if I, you know, kind of some people call it a ritual bath.   But I would like to just kinda sit there. Sometimes I I, like, burn incense.   Oh, actually, before I got in the bath, actually, one thing I started doing,   I started using I forgot the name of it. There was this type of stuff that the Egyptian used to use. It was this white stuff that they would use to, like,   kinda, like, banish and cleanse with. And you should be able to make it yourself with, like, 2 or 3 different, like, chemicals. Like, I think salt?  

It was almost something to that extent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would put that in the, in the tub, and there was, like, something else. Basically, I was kind of, like, cleansing or, like oh, I think I would even use the fucking holy water too from the church. Uh-huh. Well, I was kinda, like, cleansing the bath. And there was, like, even some things that I would, like, say before I got in, and then I would get in, and I would meditate for a while. I'd probably stay in there, like, for, like, 20 or 30 minutes.   And if people even if not after that, sometimes I might get up and then go and sit down and meditate in front of my altar before I even start the ritual.  

But Wow. If if I do a lot of meditating.   Because you wanna kinda, like, really make sure that you wanna do this. In my opinion, you wanna do this or make sure kind of, like, in your head, you're, like, calculating. Is this, like, the right way of doing it? Is this something I wanna change? Yeah. You wanna be prepared. You wanna be Yeah. The attention's set 100%. You don't wanna have any flaws in your brain about, you know, stuff that that's normally  

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flashing by. You just want to be 100% focused on the stuff that you gotta do. Right?  

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Yeah. Yeah. So or sometimes I wouldn't do that, and I would just, like I I had a chair with a flat back,   and I would sit and I would sit there with my back flat against the chair, my hands on my legs, and I would sit there and close my eyes and meditate.   And it'd be kinda near, like, my ritual area.   I would meditate there for a while.   Yeah. Prior, yes, prior to the the ritual,   if I did the bath or not, prior to the ritual, I'm gonna meditate anyway because I will actually kind of do certain practices of visuals or breathings   before I even get into the meditation. I'll sit down in the chair or before I get into the ritual.  

Again, I'll sit down in the chair, like I said that I I normally would.   And sometimes I would just kinda, like, try to relax, try to breathe, you know, get into, like, a, you know, just slow breathing.   And such as visualizing certain things, like energy coming in my body, going all the way down, going all the way out, sometimes going back up. I would just kinda, like, just try to get into a space to where I can visualize and try to feel, like, energy within me. And then sometimes I would just start focusing on my chakras and just go up and down and just focus on them a little bit and just try to get, like, you know, leveled out. This I know it sounds silly, but there's ways, like, if you pull on the top one and the bottom one, it almost feels like you kinda, like, straighten out. Like, I was trying to, like, balance myself out Right. And get my mind clear ready before I before I do what I'm about to do.   And, yeah, I would normally do that to get to get ready. And then,   at that point, like, I guess, you know, I guess the ritual has already begun when I got into the bath and started the meditation, but in my opinion, that's kinda when it starts.  

So now I guess it's really begun. And now I get up.   I still have to walk over to the altar, and I get in front of the altar. And you will if you for me, I will face east because that's where you start all your rituals is facing east.  

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Why is that?  

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Rising sun.   Right. Okay.   Yes, sir.   So you face that way, then you will go south.   You guys,   west, north.   So you will go that way. But, you know, you go, what was that? Kinda like clockwise? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah.   And,   sometimes some people   difference.   Ceremonial magicians, like, 98% of the time, they'll go the same way   when it comes to, like, Wicca or   kinda like witches.   Mhmm. They'll go the other way to say that reversing is vanishing, whatever. Okay. They they pick and choose which way they wanna go, I guess, when they feel like it. You know? These these rituals are written in a specific order, and this is how you're supposed to do it. So I go this way. You know? Some people might have heard of doing it otherwise, but, you know, I guess whatever makes you happy.  

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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So,   yeah.   Just just let you know, I will face east.   Now believe it or not, before I even get it going, the first thing I'm gonna do is gonna call upon God and ask him for his help and guidance to make sure that, you know, nothing goes wrong.   I'll be sensible.   Then after that,   it's like a couple of things that I would  

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it's just They just wanna get the kids. Right?  

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Kent? That you're gonna get Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I got another closet. It's horrible. What? Oh, that's horrible.  

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Nick, before you before you're going any further.   Yeah. So you're calling to God. Right? But   people have to   understand   that it's,   no matter how you're gonna do the rituals   or what kind of rituals that you do,   it can get very, very,   intense.   And it could   go wrong.   Right? Because you can summon some things that you maybe not be prepared to   face  

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or to experience. Oh, yeah. I think having a magical experience could be something people aren't even ready for. Even if it's a good experience, it still may not be ready for them at the tone.  

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Wow.  

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Oh, yeah. For sure. If you're not yeah. I mean, I'll be totally honest for me. I you know, maybe I should've waited a few months before mine happened. There might have been certain things I would've taken easier. I'll be totally honest with you. I mean, it wasn't the easiest thing for me to accept at times. Right. And this is not to tell people, like, oh, this is this is how you do it. You know? Do it by yourself. So I'm not teaching anybody in the that's your a disk   It's a this is not the voice.  

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I'm sure most of the stuff I just said right here is kinda like French or another language to most people. Right. Yeah. I I had a podcast I don't think I told enough for anybody to actually comprehend and really recreate what I'm doing. Right. So I I had a podcast with with with Yost. He was also on a on on in some cults and stuff like that in, some light cults, blossom, some dark cults. And he was telling about the, the grimoires   of,   Tiamat.   And he said, the these are,   there are some rituals in the book if you can purchase the book.   That that's not the pussies. That that's like real dark magic. And you have to be very careful. Even if you do runes and you wanna, you know,   call Odin and stuff like that,   It's it's not something for for people, you know,   oh, oh, I was I was talking to Odin the other day. Well, he he's gonna, you know,   he's gonna ask you some things in favor too. And that that's maybe not an easy part. And, especially Tiamat is gonna be,   well, the the biggest dragon there is. So she gotta be very fucking careful to fuck around with that one.  

Mhmm. Fucking boss looking around.   Yeah.   Okay. So   you you asked your you asked god for guidance   to to yeah. Okay. And then  

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look over me, look over me during this most holy act. So something to that effect, I would normally ask god.   Yeah. I would ask him, and then,   then then I sometimes then I would normally state the reason of the ritual. You know, what am I but, you know, why am I gonna do this?   Sometimes, you know, again,   even numbers,   I probably wouldn't do it now   because sometimes I would call upon Toth because he's known as a messenger   to even bring the message to the deity or whatever I'm trying to communicate with. Uh-huh. Since I'm trying to communicate kinda communicate with Toth already, it kinda be silly for me to do that twice.   Like, you know what I'm saying? So I mean that to me, I don't know. I'm trying to rationalize magic over here.  

I normally wouldn't do that. So probably skip that part.   And,   I would probably, then I would state the ritual,   has begun, and then I would probably,   you know, state my intent again and then tell the like, you know, I'm going to call forth to to or   Toth, or I could say Mercury, or I could say,   Hode because I wanna go with more of the idea of god of that sphere. Right. Yeah. The other thing, I could actually just use these spheres, which is what I did a lot in the future. I used them for their aspects of God, and I really wasn't even messing with these gods anymore.   I was just contacting you or looking for,   you know, God, that that that part of them. Uh-huh. Or, You know?  

So let's say, you know, I I am gonna, you know, ask to to read a tooth,   or Mercury will just stick with that.   So, yeah, I would say that I'm gonna do that again, and then   then   I would go ahead and probably start, believe it or not, cleansing my circle. Now I gotta go cleanse it. Uh-huh. I'm gonna go take that salt, throw it in the water, and I'm gonna walk around this well, you could either you know, you could do it like that. Dip your fingers in the water and just throw it down.   I actually had one of those Catholic things that looks like the bowl at the end. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where you'd go like that, and it would actually, like, spread it out. Right. Yeah. It's it should be that around at the 4 corners.   And you know what? I might actually   I might have actually pulled up what I used to read when I would,  

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when I would do that. Should I give you the, the share screen?  

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No. No. No. No. When I would when I would add the,   when I would add the, salt into the water, and I did I did grab this from the gnostic mass. This is from Crowley. I would say, look, the salt of the earth admonish the water to bear the virtue of the great sea.   Mother, be thou adorned.   And then I would go around, you know, at the 4 corners, you know, and and I would kinda go both ways, almost make an x to, like, create, like, you know, just covering more space. Right.   It's hey. Yeah. That's interesting. I would use an x. That's   I just just realized I figured that out. Symbolism that might have matched that I didn't even realize I was doing on my own.  



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Yeah. Right. Well, it's a it's a very powerful symbol. Yeah.  

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Yeah. And then when I would do the fire,   I would normally have the incense. I would have a charcoal, a hot charcoal,   that you would normally drop, like, the resin or I mean, you could drop the herbs or maybe, like, drop oils on the herbs or on the resin, and that's what I would do. I would add, like, oils, herbs, and resin and create, like, kind of, like, my own incense.   Uh-huh. And I would pop it on the charcoal, and I I even again, if somebody saw my my setup, they'd probably be like, yo, this guy kinda looks like like Catholicism,   but, like, something weird. Uh-huh. It was very much it was just very zoned.  

Yeah. No. It was very much set up like a church altar though. It's just a weird thing because even some people that did see it, they're like, yo, it almost looks like church, though.   Like, I had one of those those incense burners that would hang that would hang, though. It looked like it was been like What are you swearing with?   Oh, no. You I could've if I wanted it. You're crazy. I I didn't trust myself with that. Believe it or not. So I would just go around and hang it and, like, you know, I would just, like, make a cross. Actually, I would make a cross   at every direction   on on all four corners. Right.  

When I did that one,   I would say, like, as I dropped the incense   onto the,   the hot charcoal, I'd say, let the fire in the air make sweet the world, father be thou adorned.   And, I would walk around, and I would kinda basically just, like, cleanse the full corners.   And then, basically, after that, I'm ready to go from my opinion. I'm ready to actually go and start an actual ritual now, like, within the ritual.  

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Wow. So this until now is just preparedness   to get to the ritual that you are intending to participate.  

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That was a lot right there. Right? Right.   Yeah. It might actually get a little anti   when you get into the rituals, and that's kinda one of the things I wanted to show because I think more people would actually be surprised and see how   bare bones they really are. Because, again,   I mean, I'm not gonna go into, like, everything that I would maybe do is say. I mean, maybe give something No. No. No. True. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But I just wanna show, like, this will show you how much everything else is up to the other person. Right.   So, like, yeah, I guess now what I would normally do for me,   regardless, I'm gonna they suggest a banish anyway, which is removing   kind of, like, energetic influences only.  

You will start off basics   with banishing the earthly elements around you to begin with. The influences, earth, water,   air, or   and then after that, you go to the big boys and you go to the planetary influence.   And then that, you can banish those. Then   if I wanted to, in which is something that I would have probably have done on my own,   but I'm not gonna get into this here because it does then start   actually   asking something to come in. I'm not gonna do that. Right. I would after I balance the planetary energies, then I would normally   now do the greater hexagram   invoking ritual,   and I would just specifically   invoke Mercury   or hold into   my circle and use that in it to work with. I'm only gonna get it up to the point to where I have the clean slate.  

Even then even then, you could do all that, and I could sit there and just pray.   I don't even have to do anything else, which I've done that plenty of times. But if you wanna take it all the way and how you really should be done,   you know, I'm I'm leaving off a little bit, but I would normally invoke the the planetary energy. And it could even get to the point to, like, when you see here on these rituals, I'll go to the 4 corners. When you wanna invoke it, you could even get to the point to where you know where it is in the sky, and you'll actually   draw out the hexagram there and invoke that again.  



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If you wanna get that deep Like, open up in a like, a portal?  

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Yeah. Yeah. I've actually, like, pulling in the energy from where Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.  

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Yeah.  

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So alright. Get back to basics. I will,   do the, pentagram ritual, which that the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram,   obviously, there's a greater.   There's a there's a lesser banishing. There's a lesser   invoking, and then there's a greater banishing and a greater invoking.   The greater invoking is more or less to kind of just invoke one specific, or I can invoke 1, shut off 2, invoke 1. There's another one. You know, you could start playing around and actually doing different combinations.   Right. That one that one, you actually do signs and gestures as opening or closing portals.   And that is that is the the closing of the portal or opening of the portal is actually one of the signs and gestures for that.  

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I if I wanna shut off Earth,   I wanna open up air.   Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you if you that one's actually kind of fun, like, fun. Look at me. You can start, like, coming up with different   different, you know, that's a statistics, but, you know,   orders. You know, just stop fucking around. Earth, fire, earth, water.  

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Right. Right.   So there there's also a 5th element. So  

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isn't it The spirits involved in there?  

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Yes. Be because because we need to do stuff like that and getting back to the pentagram, Penta is 5.   So,   one of the elements that's been taken out in in in nowadays narrative is ether.   Right?   Yeah. The spirit. The hexagram  

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start getting into that, though. And not the hexagram. The, the greater pentagram.   Oh, that's yeah. Yeah. It does acknowledge the, what you're getting in.   Right.   Yes.   And that's and that's also involved with, like, certain gestures that you'll do. But I'm not gonna get you know, we're not getting into that one. But,   Yeah. I was just bringing that up. But I will use the lesser banishing ritual, the pentagram,   and, that one,   I'm just gonna go off of the way   how I   you know, we go was was used to using it because I I would again, my experience was in the auto template orient is even before I got into the   OTO.  

I pretty much just used this version anyway.   I   could be wrong. I don't think so. But, like, if I was to look at any Golden Dawn version, I think it might almost be, like, word for word the same exact thing, and the gestures is the same.   It's pretty much   the same thing.   Right. But, you know, I   just again, there's something that was in Crowley's one of his book, Libra O. So I won't buy that.  

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Go ahead. So is it is it that that,   reading these books and and and and being fascinated and interested in this kind of stuff that you thought, like, oh, man. I wanna do a ritual. Or or what triggered you for the first time to think, like, you know what? I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna   make a ritual.  

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Believe it or not, the first   punch I did, I think it was more of like, and I've even heard of other people kinda doing it. It's almost like you kinda, like, fuck around with, like, silly shit just to get used to honestly, it sounds silly just to get used to   like,   look look at everything I just told you that I would go through. Right. You just don't, like, wake up one day and just start doing all that. That's like after practicing and, like, figuring out what you wanna do, what's fun, what do you enjoy,   how do you feel. You know what I'm saying? Like Right.  

So, like, there was, like, a lot of things I probably wasn't like in. I knew for myself that at some point when I realized where I really wanted to get going with this or where I wanted to go with it,   it was gonna be something to take extremely serious. So I wanted to make sure I had everything kinda down   before I got into it, at least   practical wise.   You know, like, how how everything the ritual should be or suggested to be done in an order that I was comfortable going and flowing with.   So, I mean, a lot of it was, like, very, I would say, mundane basic shit.   But,   it it was,   so, like, I guess what I'm getting at is, like, a lot of them were more of just kind of, like,   neither, like, learning   slash entertainment.  

It's like you know?   I don't know. Just   wanting to practice, wanting to, you know, use different different incenses, different ideas. I don't know. You know, a lot of it, believe it or not, could just be out of just wanting to try to,   learn and practice different ways of doing.  

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And and when you were,   doing this stuff,   did you ever had a time that you thought like,   oh, dude. This is going to beyond my belief. This is now I   have to be very careful. Like  

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No. There was I never,   believe it or not, I never worked with demons.   So that was something that I wouldn't have worked with. So, like, I never crossed that. So I guess for me, I can't say that, like I can say I've maybe gotten experiences   and effects I was not thinking over expecting at all. Uh-huh. But I can I can say I've never regretted anything? I've never worked with anything that I knew that I was gonna have to worry about. My opinion. Yeah. But but when I listening to you and all the stuff that you've been saying, you know, you use the the the sense. You know, you use crystals. You use the the  

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the colors.   That's not like   black magic or whatever. I know that Crowley, he he tried to invented a lot of stuff. He was doing in a lot of stuff to to see how far he could go with magic. Right?   So he he did some some,   well, crazy stuff. Right?   But just like you said, if you have an intention   to do that with, like, like, demons and stuff like that, you gotta be very fucking careful.   But not only that,   if you are not knowing what you're doing and a lot of people you know, like a Ouija board. Oh, it's, like, harmful. Let's do it because it's Saturday night. Turn on the lights, take a candle, and and fuck around with that kind of stuff. Dude, that's like open a portal that you do not know what kind of entity and what kind of spirits you're gonna bring in. That's a completely different thing what we're talking about right now where you want to   better at speech or you want to you improve your finances and stuff like that. That's a completely different and here it comes again, intention.  

So   be very careful with that people when   you're trying to get something into your life   and you don't know how big and how powerful it is. It could really fuck you up.   With the grimace of Tiamat, I know that some people try to   get into   the the the dragon goddess,   but she's demanding so much that people are really turning into   almost death in in a few   months or years because she's gonna ask you so much, and she gonna throw you some so many things on your path that's like, okay. I gave you something, but I wanted something in return. That's not what we're talking about right here. Let let me clear that because   that's that's some different shit, man. That's really different shit.  



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One thing I do even wanna mention too, something you know, I'm glad you kind of mentioned this, to tell you the truth. Kinda goes along with something I'm trying to get at. A lot of other stuff that I said that I even,   I even used to even design this ritual with.   I mean, for the Hermetic Kabbalah, it's all just basically, like, just these associations.   Like, it's still not really   telling you what to do. It's just giving you things to work with.   Like, what I'm getting at is that, like, between that and once I go through this ritual,   I think you'll realize it really is up to the person about what's gonna go on during it.  

You know what I'm saying? It really is up to the person, and it depends on, like, how sick they are or what they're looking to do. You know? But I guess, like, what I was saying is, like, I I really do think, like, some people will be very, like, wow. That's it. Like, this when when I read this off, it's not it's not demanding you would use any of this shit, actually. I'm the one who's bringing it to the table. Right. Something that I even eventually did at one point because it was a suggestion   of another line of, I guess, thought or practice of magic.   Josephine McCarthy,   she has I forgot the name of it already.  

She has something that I actually   think might be on to something or might be worth using.   It's very just personal, you and god.   Earliest the last time I looked at it,   she had suggested one time in, like, her teacher or her books that how about you use nothing?   You just go back to using nothing.   Not all that bullshit. You can still do your rituals. We get rid of all that bullshit and see how it feels, see what goes on. Right. Yeah. I've done that before, and I've had the same feelings   no different   to where at one point, I even started kind of even getting a little bit more simpler about it because I, like, thought, like, they really do think it's much more of where you are in here and here.   Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So so you All that other stuff is just so the whole old balance. These both like yes. Yeah. Psychological things to just keep reminding you why you're doing this or maybe even mind fuck you and pull you away from God in a sense. You could actually be doing that to yourselves. So I'm I know you gods that you're working with. That's a problem.  

Yeah. You become slaves.  

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I know people that are going outside when they have a mushroom trip. And I know one guy. I love this guy. He's going to have   always   a hero dose, always. When he does mushrooms, it has to be in hero doses.   He's gonna be sitting there in the pitch   dark.   And you know why he's gonna do that?   Because your eyes normally, when you are afraid or whatever, you're gonna open up your eyes, and you're gonna,   focus on a subject or on on on on something to to, you know, to ease the mind that that's familiar to you and stuff like that. But if you close your eyes   and something visual's   happening and you open up your eyes and they're still   pitch black,   dude, that's not a level of experience, man.  

Yeah.   Guys, they're empty. But, yes, if you have a good intention   and if you know what you're what you're doing and you do your meditating   and well, you know, you're the cleansing, the meditating, and you know that your secured place, stuff like that.  

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Yeah. I think I think that's that's that's all you need. Right? Oh, yeah. I don't even think and I've even said before. I don't know if I said it on your show because I don't know if we got really fully into it. But even when I had magical experiences,   I wasn't doing rituals at all. I was all doing I've just So you told me that. Yeah.   Meditation. I do meditation, man.  

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Like, with no drugs, with with just sober and just meditating, and then,   stuff unfolded. Like   so you   think, Nick, is it something that's,   been   activated  

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in you, or was it all ready? I do think,   I think some people can be   prone maybe more prone to these experiences, but I think everybody has the same exact chance. Yeah. Maybe maybe alright. I'll put it this way. Might have the same exact chance at birth.   That may be due to living and mental status.   Mhmm. Some people might be a little bit harder to crack than the next, but, you know, you're cracked up in the house. You know? Might be a little bit harder to crack than the next, but, I mean, I do think everybody's kinda given the same chance. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, you know, do again, do to that. Or, you know, maybe some people are a little bit more, you know, open than others, but I think it's pretty much a level playing field. And   I think it's just, you know, just depends on the person.  



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Mhmm.   K.   Yeah. So no babies yet? No children often?   No. No. No lambs. No nothing.   No boring.  

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I know. Right? Alright. It's even even more boring too. Alright.   So   now I will,   I'll face the east. Always face the east whenever you do these things. And now for most of these rituals, you actually do the Kabbalistic   cross,   which is pretty much like doing alright. You'll touch your forehead, and you'll say.   This is, like, in Hebrew.   And then you'll bring down and make, you know, the down point down by, like, you know, your belly button.   And you'll say, or sometimes some people will touch here. I know we bring bring it down more.   And then you say,   which is unto thee the kingdom, and then you basically do the power and the glory. On my right shoulder, I'll say,   which means the power.  

And then on my, on the other shoulder, I'll say on the left shoulder, and that means the glory.   And then you bring hands together and you say,   say, leolam,   amen.   And that means to the ages, amen.  

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So you basically language is that?   That's Hebrew. Hebrew. Okay. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Because of Kabbalistic. Right? Mhmm.  

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So it's,   And then I will face the east still.   And now if you're, you know, doing,   like I had mentioned before,   if you're doing the pentagram ritual,   there's certain ways of drawing a pentagram.   Each corner   of the pentagram actually will be associated with the element, and you'll have spirit in there.   When you're banishing, you kinda start from earth and you push away,   so you'll start drawing your   it has to be actually be drawn a certain way to vanish.   So you'll go   and that's a banish one.   So you will draw that,   And then as, like, you're facing facing the east,   some people have different ways of doing it. If you have a wand in your hand, you can just, you know, push forward,   and then you'll say, yod hey, vod hey.  

It's suggested to actually kind of vibrate it. I'm not gonna get a hold into that.   But you might sound like, you know, just too much.   So, like, you'll I'll go,   Or for me, a lot of times, I'd hold my, like, my hands behind my ears, and then I'd throw them forward like that into you know, to charge.   You're charging that quarter.   I will say.   Then I will bring my foot back or step back into the middle of the circle, and then I'll bring my hand up to my mouth and go like that.   And that is to show the sign of silence and that I am done.   Then I'll put my hand back into that and then go to the next side.  

Enjoy the banishing   again.   And then,   yeah. With that one   with that one, then I, say,   Then I'll bring again. So when I'm done, put my finger up to my lip, show the sign of silence. I'm done. Do another turn. Now I'm facing, the west.   Then I will say, hey. Hey. Hey. And   then I'll you know, as I charge it.   And then, again, do the sign of silence.   Put my hand in there, draw it all the way to the other one.   And then that one in the north, you can either say.   It's an acronym for.   I would actually just say all those words. Whereas I would charge her, I'd be like.   And then I would, turn around, and then I'd be facing the east again.  

And I'm back where I started.   And I'll spread my arms open.   And I'll say,   before me, Raphael.   Behind me, Gabriel.   To my right hand, Mikael.   To my left hand, Oriole.   For about me flames the pentagram,   and in the column stands the 6 or 8 star.   And then I will finish it off   with the Kabbalistic cross again. Atah,   Malkuth,   Begabur,   Begadula,   Lai'alam.   Amen.   And, basically, what I did right there was   vanish and remove the elements   and called in those   angels to stand at the corners and protect me. Right.   Wow. And that's that's all I did just right there.   So I do that.  

And then after that one, I will go into the planetary and bounce the planetary.  

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Wow.  

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So so you you you you go You start off you you you start from here, and you work your way up. Yeah. You work your way up. Right.   Yes. Even but I'm not gonna do it here. I'm not gonna do it here. Easy. One, because it's it might be, I'll even totally admit.   I'm a little off on it, and it's in Greek. But there's the star ruby that Crowley wrote that that's, like, even another one that I could've my opinion to be redundant.   But sometimes you will see, like, someone do the lesser vanishing ritual, the pentagram, then the star ruby, and then the hexagram ritual. So there's another one that I could even throw in there that's in a completely different language, and you're screaming, yelling, whispering,   all sorts of weird shit. Wow. I guess you you start off going like,   and you're already, like, telling the demons to get away. Yeah. And they're like, you it's you you do the the sign of silence reversed. You actually go like that,   and you start off the ritual. It's almost like backwards. You go.  



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Yeah. Wow.   So so I I got a lot of,   association about,   the serial dialogue as supernatural. You know? When they, wanna cast something or they wanna,   have some themes and stuff like that, they wanna wanna   vanish them. They made the sigils or they wanna catch an angel and to talk to them.   So it's it's it's, you know, a little bit familiar.   Not not quite because it's demon demonology.   I don't know yet   if you talk to Nathaniel Jitters about it. Oh, I got him coming on next week. Oh, dude. You you're gonna love that shit. I love that dude. I'm gonna have it on, and I'm gonna have a a Valentine's Day date with him.  

[00:59:45] Unknown:

That's funny. I got a show on Valentine's Day too, actually.  

[00:59:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Did snake make it happen?  

[00:59:51] Unknown:

No. No. That's no. That's one of my boys. I asked him if he, I'm going I I actually am going off of the same topic,   and he's like   he's like, well, I'm single at the at the moment. He's like, you happen to have your 14th open? Valentine's day? And I was like, yeah. Well, I'm a loser too. So yeah.   I   was like, I'm around. I was like, sure. Right. Right. Right.  

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Are you gonna have a great show with him? He he knows a lot about demonology and stuff like that. And,   yeah, great guy.   But yes. So the the the   the thing is so you're gonna level   up your your your,   the way you're gonna prepare for,   only for the ritual   takes quite some time to prepare and to, figure stuff out. Right? Because you wanna you wanna be   as most as right as you could be to get into the ritual.   Yes. And as pure as you can be and as centered as you wanna be. And you have to be very careful to,   not let other spirits, demons, or whatever to   disturb the ritual that you wanna participate in. So definitely do all the stuff  

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to the to Yeah. For me.   Yeah. Because of what I was doing, I did wanna also make sure that   listen. Again, I said I don't even think this stuff is needed, but, you know, maybe maybe it is   doing stuff like this. I think maybe the magic that I was playing around with, it's not but maybe when you're doing things like this, it is very important to actually have protection. Like, you know, again, I wasn't a lot of things I did really wasn't, like,   I don't know, all that drastic. Like, I never did until, like, actually hurt anybody.   And anytime I've ever wanted to gain something, it was always like I went about it to where I needed to work on change or something on myself to get what I wanted.  

Right. So no one's like, oh, I want so and so to break their fucking leg at work so I can win the fucking contest. You know what I'm saying? It's like, no. Right. Right. One who still gotta change and make it happen.   We just help, you know, help me here.   Which is still again, even then, you know, am I really being a slave to these motherfuckers, which is, you know, again, near the end of my magical well, ritual listed career. I started just dealing with God because I was even like, wait. Let me just go to the source.   So,   so yeah. So now yeah. After I did that and then again and again, I just wanna mention, even when it comes to the greater hexagram ritual,   you know, in that one, you'll actually start throwing up this, like, grade signs for elements.  

So, like, if you're using air, I know, like, you probably I don't know if you do video or not. People can't see on my audio. But, like, you'll put your hands up like this and almost kinda put it's like you put your hands up like, I don't know.   Right. You're almost like you know how the masons do that? They do that for, like, a mason in distress. The sign of air is like this. I did find that interesting how they're very close.   Water,   you'll you'll make a a down a downside up, you know, a downside triangle by your waist. Right. So that that's also the,   and then fire is the this one that I did see throw up.  

Yeah. And then and then check out this one. This one's for Earth. Alright? You're gonna see Elon Musk is doing something like this recently.   You're gonna take your left hand and put it back a little bit like that. Uh-huh.   Take your right hand and put it off like that.   And that's the symbol for earth in ritual magic.  

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Wow.   Yep. Looks familiar. Weren't we talking about that last time?  

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Looks familiar, doesn't it? Yes.   Yeah. That's a symbol for Earth.   Wow. Yeah. That's that's what I think Ringo Starr is doing in the help   in the help on the Beatles album. He's got his hand up like that. Right. Leaving it up, between   between the grades I just told you now   and what I'm gonna do in the next ritual between all of those, you can actually see what the Beatles are doing and help.   Wow. I think it's helpful. When they're doing all that shit on the on the when they're doing all those poses on on that one album cover, it's you'll you'll see every single one of them is covered in this. Oh, damn. Now you're gonna make me interested in Beatles. Yeah. The LVX and the elements. They're doing the LVX, the LVX symbols and the elements.   And spirit bringing light down to earth.  



[01:04:07] Unknown:

And spirit   or ether?   Is it round?  

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Or what's that what's that Well, alright. For for alright. Yeah. Ether or spirit,   that would kind of look like in the when with these elements, if I wanted to draw a symbol for that, it'd be a circle   with,   almost look like a pizza and a pie. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.  

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That's what I'm asking. So we're like like the wheel of karma.  

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So, yeah, they did the tattoo artist didn't wanna put the   didn't wanna put this the lines in because he was afraid they might bleed into each other because it's so small. But, yeah, it's a struggle.  

[01:04:46] Unknown:

Yeah. But Have spirit on me?   But it is. Yes. That's the spirit. So so you got your thumb is water. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's how you did it, mate. Your pinky is fire.  

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I did it that way.  

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Yes. And then you got your,   pointing finger.   That's earth.   The your middle finger is spirit, and then the the ring finger   is  

[01:05:12] Unknown:

air. Air. Very good. Alright? Yeah.   Mhmm. Hey. It's because I did my homework. Oh, that's so good. Okay.   So, yeah, I just wanted to say that. And then there is, like, again, your opening portals and closing portals in the greater one. I did wanna, you know, mention that. And then even in that one, again, if you wanna start banishing   certain elements, you're gonna have to draw the triangle a different way than invoking. And not the triangle,   the pentagram.   So, I mean, there's there's all different ways.  

[01:05:42] Unknown:

So the easiest way what you're gonna say is when you draw the pentagram, you it could be for   bad spirits or for good spirits.   So it depends on where the point is actually   pointed at. Right?  

[01:05:55] Unknown:

Well,   well, you're drawing the triangle to either   remove   any influences or pull them in. Right. You could be removing bad influences and pulling in good ones, or you could be moving, you know, influences pulling in bad ones still. Right. No. It's basically what basically what you're doing, this is the best way that I've ever heard it explained,   is if you have, like, a canvas and you're just clearing it all off and the painter has a brand new canvas to work with.   Yeah. You have to move everything off the work board   and start all over again. That's what these vanishing rituals are for. Right. They're out everything, and we're starting all over again.  



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Yeah.   Control alt delete. Yeah. You should just  

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o alt delete.  

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I've heard that. That's funny. I've heard that before, actually. Right. Damn. I'm looking just now at my keyboard if there are maybe some symbols that you like. You don't control all data there or the same same symbols because they they do that. They pervert.  

[01:06:54] Unknown:

So I think the eboard has a cult significance to it. Oh, wow. Yes. Definitely think so. That's fascinating.   But   you want me to get into, now with the, the the, hexagram or tool?  

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Yes.   Yes.   You you light up the fire, so it's gonna be fire, baby.  

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Yeah. So now I'm gonna stand there again facing the east.   And   either I'm going to hold my hand to my chest like this. Golly.   Yeah. No, I guess making an L shape or whatever.   You know, bringing my hand to my chest. I could either have my hand here or I could have my wand here, my dagger, whatever I'm had. If I don't that using any of that, and I'm just going to draw with my finger, I'm just gonna still hold it here.   I'm gonna face the east.   I'm gonna say I n   r I.   Yod.   Yeah. Yod,   Nun,   Resh, Yod.   Virgo, Isis, mighty mother,   Scorpio Apophis destroyer,   soul Osiris   slain and risen,   Isis   Apophis   Osiris.  

And then   I'm gonna put my arms out like this   and say the sign of Osiris slain,   then   you're gonna go like   this. Now the first one, you're making the sign of a cross. Uh-huh.   This one,   you go like this   to make the sign of a swastika. Swastika. Yes.   Or   you can go like this.   Convert?   No. An l, which is what the Beatles are doing on their album cover. They didn't use the Swadde sticker. There is an actual alternative if you wanna use it, which is like this, which a lot of people do sometimes because, I don't wanna make the Swadde sticker.   They'll go like that, and that's what you see on the Beatles album cover. But I I didn't like it. Make the sign of a swastika, and that's the sign   of the morning of Isis.  

Right.   And you'll extend your arms up like that, making a v shape or like the p sign that Crowley gave Churchill. That was for the beast.   The sign of Osiris risen.   Mhmm.   And then I will bring   my arms and cross them again   like this.   I'll say,   l v x   luxe,   the light of the cross. Luxeure.   Yes. And and as I'm saying, the light of the cross,   I'll open my arms again and cross them.   So the lvx   Luke's   light of the cross.   And then   I'll face the east.   Some people argue if fire is supposed to go there because normally, technically, air does.   But in the hexagram ritual, it does start off with fire in the east.  

Again, some people can argue that different magicians have different reasons. Not gonna get into all that.   When you do that one and you face the east and you go to banish fire,   you'll basically draw   2 triangles.   And, like, the tip of the   the bottom one, you're gonna draw 1 and then another one underneath it. And just just like the tip of it goes up to the Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   So that that that will be the sign of you, like, banishing   again. You'll and then you'll draw it a certain way to banish.   That is banishing fire in the east. And then if you draw that,   you will then go and charge that one. Like I told you the other way, with the pentagram ritual. Uh-huh. You do that again if you have a bond, whatever you're using, whatever your magical weapon is, or if you're just using your hand and you will charge it and go Ararita,   a   r a r I t a. That's an acronym for something that I can't remember, and it's way too long where you go Ararita.  

And that, consists of 1 in one   is his beginning.   1 is his individuality.   His pure permutation   is 1.   And then you will swing   around.   I'll go to the   over here, I'll do earth.   And   that one, you will actually this one, when you draw it out, will actually make the hexagram.   Uh-huh. Okay. You'll draw a triangle one way like that,   and then you go, oh, the other way like that. So you're close to that, and that's for Earth.   And then you'll do it again.   You'll charge that one.   And I turn around and go to the west,   then I draw an upright   side triangle.  

Uh-huh. What I'm gonna do is draw another one to where it looks like it's flipped upside down, almost as above so below. Right. Right. Poking up and then a triangle pointing down underneath it, and I will draw that one. And then that one is for,   air.   And I will charge that for our.   And then,   then I'll turn around and then go to water. And then that one, when I go to draw that triangle, it'll be look like   one upside triangle   and then flipped up the other way to where it looks like another triangle pointing down to the other tip that's pointing up.   So it kinda almost looks like an hourglass that you just drew. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

And then you'll charge that one.   And then when you're done with that, you'll turn to the east.   You'll be facing where you started off again,   and you'll start all over and go,   I n r I,   yod Nun Resh Yod,   Virgo Isis, mighty mother,   Scorpio Apophis destroyer,   soul Osiris slain and risen,   Isis Apophis Osiris,   e,   o.   And then,   yeah, and then you can do all those the sign of Osiris Lane. You do all those things all over again, the sign of the morning of Isis. You do the sign of Apophis and Typhon, sign of Osiris risen, l v x, Luke's,   light of the cross.  

You're done.  

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Well, you're done. Well, probably,   we're gonna   do that for the first couple of times. You need some some notes. You know? You know? Oh. Or do I you I'm just figuring out you just you know, I'm not gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. But I I I I see that, like, a notebook, maybe a complete   wall full of, like, I gotta do this then. I gotta say that then. I gotta do this. You know,  

[01:13:34] Unknown:

this was actually a good answer, and I don't know why it did come out of my mouth the first time we kind of even asked about even doing these rituals.   It is even suggested as a magician to do this for 1 to maybe 3 times a day if you wanted to just to banish, and then that's it.   Right. Okay. Yeah. Cleaning yourself off ritualistically   throughout the day. That's a lot of what I was just doing. I wasn't actually working with anything really after the fact. I just would do that. I would meditate. I would go through rituals to practice them for when I really wanted to do something.   Yeah. So, like, I that that's when you'll that's when you'll learn how to do again, I'm not promoting people to if you are into that stuff or that's what you're getting into. Right. I or you did it the same way I did. You practice and learn these things just from vanishing   continuously throughout the day or your, you know, your week.  



[01:14:23] Unknown:

You know? So and then   I just just got I have to ask you the question. Like, 2 questions. So what's the most   valuable thing you you you   you you gained from that? Like, we were talking about the salesman and the money and the success, you know, and the speech.   What helped you and and you know for sure that it that it has been because of the ritual?  

[01:14:52] Unknown:

Well, I mean, it was like a thing like, I get I actually did use a talisman very much, like, with Mercury and Jupiter, and it was because there was, like, a contest at my job at work.   Uh-huh. I'm not making up. I'm not breaking. I did win it.   You know? So I I do maybe believe that it had something to do with that.   Again, one thing I will say, it could really just be mind fuckery because I'm carrying around a talisman in my pocket all day that's reminding me why I have it. And I Right. So so you get the power made to actually create the shit to happen anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you  

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you you you visualize  

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it. You're thinking about it. A lot of that magic, I think, is just reprogramming yourself.  

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Right. Because   you you are, everyone is,   creation, you know, and the universe and a god itself.  

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Which is why I think it's you gotta worry about what you're working with. Because if it's something that you're not looking to aspire to or that actually could be of good,   you could reprogram yourself just to be a piece of shit.  

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Right.   Fascinating.  

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Yeah. So but, like, that's in that's that's stuff that I obviously looked at it after the fact. Because if I was thinking that way in the first place, I probably wouldn't have done not that I did anything horrible, but, like, I mean, out of you and all that with stuff like that. I don't think normal  

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Mostly, everyone. Be slow. That's that that's a crazy, crazy, crazy statement right there, but people  

[01:16:12] Unknown:

Fit into witches, man. Those motherfuckers are doing spells just to fucking do a spell. Yes. But sound like We do that I gotta learn the new one in the Facebook group. I gotta do this tonight.  

[01:16:21] Unknown:

Right. Right. Do it.   But but I think when you when you come to that subject and topic,   very, very interesting because a lot of people are, you know   even if you cut yourself and you say, screw you, that's a spell   right there. If you say good morning, that's a fucking spell.   Have a good days.   That's a spell.  

[01:16:44] Unknown:

Hey. Have a good week. Spell. You know why it's a spell. There's so many things. You see that shit, and it hits that person's ears and their eyes? Yes. It's going it's going to create a feeling in them.  

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Yes. Or, you know, screw you. That's a little bit   Hate and fear. Whoo.  

[01:17:03] Unknown:

Oh, damn. That is a weapon to use.  

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Yeah. We you gotta be very careful. And and especially if if you   trying to reprogram it into something positive   as I wanna do with the week and and weekend. I got strong and strong hands. Even if you just have a normal conversation, just like, oh, fuck. I set the week again. Damn it. You know? I wanna have strong days and strong hands. But the program, the indoctrination,   the conditioning is so deeply.   But   once you wake up from that spell,   just like you said, you have to be very careful because maybe you program yourself into into a piece of shit.   Not with the things that I said just before, but, you know, even even saying the normal things that that we are very notice to.  

A thing that, I saw on on Instagram, which which was very fascinating to me was,   was a patient who had,   some damage in his brain. He had a surgery or whatever. Doctor came in. He said, you wanna play a little game of cards? And the patient said, yeah. Of course. Why not? So the doctor said,   I'm gonna point out very fast these cards that you're gonna say what would you see. Right? Like, diamonds or clubs or whatever. Okay. So,   they do that, and,   the patient says, and you you can see it as a participant or as a viewer. And the,   the patient says, well, did I won the game? And the doctor said, no. And he turned off the the last two cards, and it was a red,   spade   and a black heart.  

So he pronounced almost every card, every single card   wrong.   And the funny thing is about this   is that it's your conditioning that says,   space are black   and hearts are red. But if a child does the same game and never have played cards before,   they will turn out the black heart. It's a heart.   But we are so conditioned about all these little   things that's so   I thought this was fascinating.  

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And it's even, like I mean, then you even get, like it's I don't know. My people are like, where you're going with this, but, like, some somehow I can kinda see somewhat of a connection. You throw a rose on the floor and have 8 people stand there, and everybody's gonna have a different depiction of it. You know what I'm saying? Here here. Who is gonna have a different but we're all looking at the same thing with our point of view if it's completely different. Yes.   Hey. They look different to different people. It look beautiful to some person. Maybe the other side doesn't look as nice. It looks nasty to somebody else. Maybe they don't like roses. Maybe somebody does like So, basically, we are living in a world of witches and wizards that are spelling all the fucking time. That's why we're in the shithole called Earth sometimes for some people. Yeah.  

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Right?  

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But now now, you know, it's something I kinda wanna get at, and I won't get into this one because it'll just take up a little bit too much time that's really not needed. But after this, I would still go into another meditation, but a specific one called the middle pillar. And, like, you kinda focus on The middle. The middle.   But, like, after that, that's, you know,   that's basically what would kind of be   more more or less   an average practicing ceremonial magicians outline.   Now people might be like, well, you know, what happened? Like, what's up with you know?   Everything else besides that is personal to the practitioner.  

Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't hear me say, like, what what besides all that, like, what did I really do?   Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I just go by what's printed in those books that suggested to use, what did you really do? I mean, yeah, you did some things, but, like, basically, what I'm getting at is it's really up to the person depending on which way you wanna go to be a piece of shit or not. You know? And, like, some people may not realize that there's all these different things you can work into an actual ritual.   And, like and and now you'll realize how basic it can also be when you're in the ritual to where it has to be personalized. You know what I'm   saying?  

I just I do think people   have a misunderstanding   of what actual these these rituals that are commonly   used amongst the occult community, what they even   are like. Right.   No. It's you're depending on where you're going.   It's up to the person doing it.  

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So so and it's it's basically,   and correct me if I'm wrong, you can program something like a talisman for intention with a ritual.   You can program yourself to be better at something   for speech or for, you know, I I wanna win this game.   So,  

[01:21:41] Unknown:

I mean, you could even do, like you know, I didn't even mention ambulets, but you could use that if you want protection. Oh, yeah. That's something   you can even, like you know, some people will make mixtures of, like, tinctures and herbs and oils and might actually put, like, a spell on that to someone.   Again, if if you wanna start doing spells against people, you could still use these I mean, I don't know if I would technically use mercury, you know, to do spell I mean, I   I'm sure you could probably do some damage if you wanna get specific, and you really got a good way to think about it. But Right. Like, it's just, you know, you you could use these these rituals to do, you know, spells against people or different people.  

[01:22:16] Unknown:

Right.   And sometimes when I travel for a long time or whatever or I go to, to some   well, longer   mileage on on on the road and stuff like that, bad weather. I'm gonna protect myself with some, ruins.   So there are some binding rules. That that's also like, you know,   be be   protected. Maybe it's it's just like you said. It's the mind. You know? Maybe it's just the mind. Okay. I'm protected.   But sometimes I really like to do some stuff like that or, you know, there there's so many things involved in our now nowadays life that are,   concerned, like,   symbols,   signs,   and all that stuff. I just lost my train of thought because I'm Okay.  

Because I got so much on my mind about how many people   thinking about just like you said, like, eyes wide shot, like black magic with cloaks, with sex magic, and and and and blood and stuff like that. Well,   maybe there is   people practicing that kind of stuff, but it's   really fascinating how you build up,   and how you prepared until you got the   the real ritual going   like that.  

[01:23:36] Unknown:

Yeah.   I mean,   it's, even another thing, it's just   what I think is, another reason I wanted to do this is also, I just wanna show, like,   sometimes you may not actually know what you're looking at when this stuff's going on. Alright. You know? Because when you start personalizing it, it's like, how do you it's just like you see a lot of the things out there that you got pointed at. That's like, oh, this is this and that's that. It's like, well, how do you know? Because, like, it's so personal once you start getting into all the symbology and that other stuff. Like,   I don't know. This   I think that's the best big misunderstanding   about ritual work.  



[01:24:10] Unknown:

But is it also like the misunderstanding  

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of symbols and stuff like that? I mean Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I actually listen. I'm gonna get and I was gonna even say this. I was gonna leave it like this. When it comes to those rituals,   leave it at night as crazy it is. If you start doing it   in the black robe in the hood,   in my opinion, you are representing the eyeball,   and you are actually showing changes going on inside the eyeball.   Because the eyeball Oh, dude. The eyeball pulls open at 4 corners.   It it pulls your pupil open at 4 corners. Right. When it closes, it dilates its screws closed.   So now you got a screw on it. This is my opinion. You gotta   when you when you have pupil screws closed, it sucks more light back into your eye. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You got something that goes on with magic. So now my opinion, you've you've got   yourself in black,   and you go on and and you're charging each of those corners. In my opinion,   you're destroying the gods   at the end that are holding the pupil open and yours as yourself   screwing closed   as the pupil in the middle.  



[01:25:16] Unknown:

Fuck.  

[01:25:19] Unknown:

I mean, it's a real basic way of me trying to explain it. And, eventually, one day, on the occult rejection, we will actually cover this. And I think Rush, which is another thing that Crowley came up with, but, yeah, I do think it's actually all eyeball symbolism  

[01:25:30] Unknown:

to an extent. Yeah. You you talked about it also with the with hide love.   I got I got one of these symbols   right here. Oh, like this. Yeah. But I'm I mean, it's it's one of the the the most common   things like, oh, the eye, you know, the eye of horrors and the eye of hurrah.   Why? Why the eye? And just as you pointed out,   and you say a lot about that, about the eye and look at the eye, and and,   it's really, really fascinating because   also if you   if you close your eyes and you don't see outside and you have to go in,   what you're gonna conquer. Right? But what   what's what's there? And especially if you do the magic, like you said, and you're gonna turn it   backwards, inwards.  

That's fascinating.   Alright. What'd you wanna cover warp?  

[01:26:35] Unknown:

That's it. I mean, I basically   We've been hit Again, unless I start getting into, like, specific things that, like, I might have done for specific reasons, that's all that's that's all that's done in that ritual. Everything else would be me after this point. Right. You have to do what I wanna do.   Right.   So, yeah, that's that's   that's all I really have for the rituals.   It's good stuff. Keeps people they like them, you know, stuff. Yeah. I just wanted it to kinda just show, like, you know, what what's really good. Still doing  

[01:27:04] Unknown:

you you still do something as a shit years. Just   Not anymore.   Oh, no. No. Just meditations. You achieved everything that you needed with the rituals?  

[01:27:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, again, like I said, when I started having, like, really interesting experiences, I I wasn't using them. It was just literally a meditation. So   Yeah. Yeah. It's, like, oh, it might be fun just to, you know, fucking spin around and do some of that shit just to bring back old memories, but now I haven't.   Right. And even now when I was reading it, I felt like I was, like, you know, kind of getting in the groove of how I used to say  

[01:27:38] Unknown:

it. Totally pumped.   Man, yes.  

[01:27:41] Unknown:

Yeah. By the time I'm done doing this on, like, 5 5 or 6 shows, I'll probably just, like, spinning it right out. Wow.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I definitely,   eventually, I probably will do the star ruby. It's just that it's in Greek. And, again, I said, I'll play it down. I have to practice that one a little bit.  

[01:27:57] Unknown:

I was freaking out. Been interesting.   So is it is it maybe that with, with the rituals that we program,   something   are us   for a benefit of of of something?  

[01:28:14] Unknown:

I don't know. I mean, again   yeah. Like I said, I do promote the fact that you don't even need these things.   I will say one thing that I did start to notice about them, and I have heard other magicians say   it, that it does almost become like a physical meditation.   Mhmm.   So, like, this whole   thing that I went through at some point, like,   when you started off, it is, like, when when you've been doing it for a while and you've been practicing,   it is almost one big long move   with, like, keeping an idea in your mind   and focusing on it and, like, coming to the end. And then, like, I guess for me, then, like, when I had to end in, like, maybe calling to god or prayers, I didn't want the urge to type stuff.  

Mhmm. Or, again, I'm not promoting it, but, like, maybe because I had so much thought and intent, and I was just like, I I was willing to go through all of that stuff and take the time   to do everything. I guess it must have meant some sort of importance to me. Right. It was like a sign of devotion to an extent. Maybe, you know, just look at it that way, but   I don't know. You know, I do think you you know, I've had good experiences   with it just using it to pray to God.   But then again, I've had good experiences not using it to pray to God and have magical experiences in it. Right.  

[01:29:32] Unknown:

Even without, you know,   practicing   or or doing a ritual, then, all of a sudden, the things happened with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,  

[01:29:43] Unknown:

again, like I said, it's not needed, but, I mean, I don't know. I don't wanna be the one to say that, like, I guess it is it could be positive, but   Well, I mean, it's positive. I have had positive experiences with it. Just put it that way. Good. I mean Yeah.  

[01:29:57] Unknown:

That's better than having bad experiences.  

[01:30:00] Unknown:

I mean, there's been times where you're, like I guess for the most part in the flesh, you'll feel like that God was with you at a moment for a split second or a few moments. Wow. You know, you'll get, like, a comfort It must be such a   Oh, yeah. Feeling. Oh, yeah. Almost bring tears tears to your eyes sometimes.   Yeah.   Yeah. So, I mean, you know, I have had those experiences, believe it or not. Yeah.  

[01:30:22] Unknown:

Well, this  

[01:30:24] Unknown:

with you. I mean, maybe real serious magicians that are looking to have an experience with god or, you know, or angelic experience.   Most people, unfortunately, probably are doing those types of things anyway. But Mhmm.   People that are serious, if they are using this shit, believe it or not, they're probably using it   more or less to actually have a divine experience.   Right. Wow. Working towards that way, they should be.  

[01:30:48] Unknown:

But that's level up also. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.   Yes. Wow.   Thank you for explaining  

[01:30:57] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:30:58] Unknown:

The experiences that you have with the with the with the rituals and,   the signs, symbols, and stuff like that. Because it's really fascinating for a lot of people, especially now when we are living in age that everything when you see on TV, it's like, oh, you saw that or that. Like, the number 666 or the triangle   or whatever,   they they gonna tell you that you have to see if you're looking at the TV   because that's,   I think that's a big ritual too.   Looking at it and being indoctrinated by some, someone else's   vision.  

Yeah.   Nick, thank you very much for hopping on at this organized production again. And,   dude, I I would really love to do a show, only about your experiences that you experienced   with rituals and without rituals.   And,  

[01:31:48] Unknown:

eyeball, man. Dude, you you Yeah. That one's bugged out. If I get into the thick clips and all that shit, that's gonna be bugged out. Wow. Yeah. That one's out there for sure.  

[01:31:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Alright.  

[01:31:59] Unknown:

Definitely. Thank you, brother. I had a really good time. Thank you for giving me the chance, and, you're the first one.  

[01:32:04] Unknown:

Yes. Now I'm gonna lose my virginity. Dave.  

[01:32:08] Unknown:

Alright. I literally do have 3 or 4 other shows already booked for this. So because I haven't like making that up.  

[01:32:13] Unknown:

So cool, man. So cool. And and you gave me a little bit more time to participate in this podcast. The last time it was, like,  

[01:32:21] Unknown:

30  

[01:32:22] Unknown:

this this is, like, one still 4 hours from now. The the next show is gonna be 1 week. Yeah. I just was like, I wonder if he was even expecting anybody to grab that 2 o'clock. Like,   Yes. Because I was like, I know what the time difference he might have been like, it's probably a long deal. Yeah. I was like, the guy might be out just assuming nobody's grabbing that too. You know, it's 2 o'clock on my end.  

[01:32:43] Unknown:

Only working and doing bump this email.   Working and doing podcast. That's that's all I gotta do. Gives me off the streets.   That's good, man. I really enjoyed it, and I'm gonna listen to it back because it's a it's it's a lot of   information. And for for the people at home, if if if you listen to the podcast and it doesn't make any sense, look at the Rumble channel, disorganized,   productions podcast.   Because then you see what he's trying to say with his gestures and stuff like that, because that makes it maybe a little bit easier for some people if they,   wanna know more about this. And be careful.  



[01:33:22] Unknown:

Jeez. Fuck. Come on. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I'm not suggesting people to go do this again. I'm just it's awareness.   Yes. But, actually, it's going on in these things. It's just, like you know what? The thing is is this for me. It's like, on social media, you'll see so many people throw around. Oh, that was a second or a third degree initiation. That was just ritual. That was average. Well, it's like me, you know, the magicians are like looking at people like,   where the fuck? Where is this coming from? Do you even know what a ritual looks like?   Have you ever been inside of a lodge to know that that's a 3rd degree initiation? How the fuck are you getting that from? You know what I'm saying? It's just like it's just He's You you literally it's just like you don't see you hate that artist, so that's what you're saying they're doing because you're jealous they have money and their music sucks. Yeah. You don't know the intention why they're gonna put that out. Maybe they're gonna put it out just like, look at that. Open up your eyes.  

No. No. I know. It's just some things I see. It's Sicily. Oh, I think people might have, like, a misconception of what initiation   and rituals look like.  

[01:34:19] Unknown:

Yeah. And probably they're gonna use their own spells every single day and they're not aware of it.   Or they they're using stuff with some symbols on it, and they do not know the impact of the symbol that's attracted to them.   Yes.  

[01:34:35] Unknown:

Yes. Oh, yeah. That stuff again because it's so personalized. That stuff could be in your face constantly, on my face, everybody's face, and we aren't even gonna notice it. Right. We're living in a world full of, symbols and, symbolism and stuff like that.  

[01:34:49] Unknown:

Nick, thank you very much. And for our listeners,   thank you much. If   stumbull   on my words. Thank you very much for hopping on your energy and,   having a good time. And for all all listeners back home,   thank you for listening to this podcast.   Nick, where do people find you can find you?  

[01:35:13] Unknown:

The Occult   Rejects,   and, that's on all major podcasts.   Sometimes I'm, going live a lot. And if I, if I do go live, I can actually I think I'm gonna start doing a go live on Spreaker. So if anybody happens to use Spreaker app, you can catch lives on Fridays, I think. I'll start doing that soon. But, again, on all major podcast, Apple, Spotify, you know, all those all those other ones, I'm on all those.   And Bitshoot, Rumble, and YouTube. Not everything may go on YouTube, but about 95% of the time, it does because I I really just more of a cultism   instead of other things.  

For some reason, a cultism just flies on YouTube. You you get theorized about anything, all of that stuff, but   you bring up you bring up you can theorize on certain other words.   Yeah. It's like, oh, it's done and over with. We're fucked already. Who cares what our opinion is now? Right. Right. Everybody's already been stuck. The damage is over. Who cares what the fuck you   Let us freak. Well, Edward, you already got, like, half of the population.   I mean, come on. Can't we just talk shit about it now? Right. Right.   Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But for some reason that you still get strength. I mean, you you could talk about invoking this and that and all this crazy shit. No problem.  



[01:36:31] Unknown:

It's crazy.   That's why I don't use YouTube anymore because it's, it's too much craziness going on there. And, hopefully, with the rest, like,   of the other plus platform are not going to get into that same shit. Because I think we're   we should always see the double the double sides. You know?   There is this duality between   whatever topic that is gonna be like, oh, this is this is this point of view, and that's the completely different point of view. Make up your own mind. Fuck that.   Oh, right.   Yeah. I mean,   yes. You know? Oh, I wanna see, this and that. Okay. Well, that's a little bit controversial. Well, let me look at it. You know? What's your fucking opinion then after you looked at it? And what's the other side? I just wanna know that.  

Read your speech. Yeah, boy. Just watch what you see.  

[01:37:25] Unknown:

That's what you say.  

[01:37:28] Unknown:

Great stuff from IST, by the way.   Yes. And then for all the listeners back home, thank you for listening to this episode. Have a beautiful   grand rising, a beautiful day, or a beautiful evening no matter where you are on this beautiful   plain planet. Thank you.  

[01:38:41] Unknown:

Keep running for all my life   with a devil on my heels.   He wasn't always kind,   and he couldn't fulfill my dreams.   I've been running for all my life   with a devil   on my heels.   He wasn't always kind,   and he couldn't fulfill   my dreams.   He's a pain in the ass. He's black as at night.   God,   God showed me the light and hold me tight.   Robber running through all my life   with the devil   on my heels.   He wasn't