Disorganized Productions "Chaos creates Harmony"

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In this episode of the Disorganized Productions podcast, host Rob welcomes Gene, co-host of the Heliopsychosis podcast, for a lively discussion on New Year's Eve. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, from the significance of the lunar calendar and the real New Year to the evolution of filmmaking and the impact of CGI on modern movies. Gene shares personal stories, including the profound experience of losing his mother at a young age and the spiritual encounters that followed. The duo also reminisces about their love for rock and roll, with Gene recounting his backstage adventures with iconic bands like Guns N' Roses and Faster Pussycat. They delve into the mysteries of the universe, discussing the flat earth theory, the significance of plants and animals in spiritual communication, and the potential for a deeper connection with nature. The episode concludes with reflections on the importance of self-awareness, positivity, and the pursuit of truth in a world filled with deception.

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Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby.  

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What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the lore.  

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Welcome fellow human to the disorganized   productions podcast.   The show that fuels your spirit,   ignites your potential,   and helps you become the best version of yourself.   I'm your host, Rob,   and each episode,   we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential,   and conquer life's challenges.   Hello fellow human, and welcome to another episode of Disorganized   Productions.   If you wanna contact me,   please shoot me an email at disorganized [email protected].   Same goes if you wanna check out all the stuff that I'm doing. Check my link tree, which is link tree   slash disorganized   productions.  

And please support my brothers in crime from   the   Unchained Brain podcast,   The Rat Pill Cartel,   The Life's a Dream, Dream, Death as Awakening,   and the Greyhorn   Pagan Podcast.   Without any further ado, please enjoy this show.   Ladies and gentlemen,   fellow human,   welcome to another   special episode of disorganized productions.   This time   on the 31st   December. For a lot of people, they are gonna celebrate new year,   but not us.   We are the hardcore motherfuckers right here.   We got   from Brooklyn,   New York   for a second time.   Last time that we spoke was on the real   new year.  

That was on the 1st April. April 4th for a lot of people, but we celebrated with, some new,   for with some cool beers, some,   I think it was a 3 hour conversation   with, this beautiful fellow human. His name   is Gene, and he is the cohost from the Heliopsychosis   podcast. Woah. That's all my fault, Gene. Heliopsychosis   podcast together with.   Please   warm welcome for Gene.   Welcome, brother.  

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Hey, bro. Thank you. Thank you so much, and I'm psyched to be here.   Good.   Good. I I I picked this date because,   I had to take a chance. I wasn't sure what you were up to. So, the date was open. I was like, wow. We did New Year's   gay last time. I'm gonna shoot for New Year's Eve on the on the fake calendar.   You know? See, it'd be a great way to end the year with a brother like you, man.   You know?  

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Thanks.   Yeah. Because   a lot of people are   are maybe listening like, what are they talking about?   What is your easiest explanation for those who do not know,   about the 13 month calendar?  

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Well, that would be the the the lunar calendar. Right? And it was years, ages ago.   I'm not sure exactly by who many cultures throughout in millennia   years. You know?   And that's the, the 28 days,   13 times a year with the moon cycles.   And then that equals 3 64, and then the one day a year, which was April 1st, they would they would call that New Year's. In the beginning of the spring, we're like, things are new.  

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Right.   The real New Year when you walk outside and you see the birds flying for the first time. They they whistle and they they they flute. What do birds what's it called? Yeah. They they sing. The birds sing. Right?   And you see the The flower. You see the flowers. You see the green grass. You see the warmth of the sun is coming up.   All the the the new things that arise for a real new year instead of in the middle of the winter, going outside, wish each other a happy new year and go out,   go back inside because you freeze to death. Right?  

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Yeah. You know, I never   I never went down to New York City for the ball drop.   Ever?   Nope. No way. I would never stand there in the cold like that. We were me and my friends, we were like,   and it went through we tried we would go to the movies a lot.   We would find some, you know, pizzerias. We'd have, like, 10 bucks between us. You know, every you know, 10 of us, you know, hanging out at pizzeria all night.   That's a fun. Cool.  

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Yeah. Back in the day, she got some real cool,   movies. You know? Die hard was always something of the favorite of the end of the year.   Die hard 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. Yippee ki yay.   Buckle.  

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I I only I only I think I only saw the first one.   That's, you know, that's a they call it a Christmas movie too. Right? Yeah. I think because it's around Christmas  

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Eve that, the whole,  

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scenario of the movie played off. I think so. Yeah. It could've been Christmas Eve.   Yeah. You know, a pretty cool movie from what I remember.  

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Well, if you look back at the movies, they they are maybe for the people that look now are a little bit fake,   but they were more real than   the the real fake movies with CGI and all that overrated stuff nowadays, to be honest.  

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Yeah. I think it's way overrated, bro.  

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Dude.   Did she knew that there was,   so in the sixties or seventies? I don't know. I can't recall when. But   in the early days of the movies, they had to decide if it's gonna be   a   movie that you can air stream, yes or no, in,   with x rated. So not   adult, but like is is it   suitable for for television?   And back in the days,   the special effects weren't that that good. You know? You saw someone   shooting a gun, and in the other shot, you saw someone falling down with some cats. Right? Just like,   you   know?   So they said, okay. That's gonna be   that's that's a go.  

But the,   the evolution of filmmaking   within 10 years or so was so advanced that, you know, nowadays you see all the blood and the gore   And, especially with horror movies, you see so much,   blood and gore And it's really easy to make, to be honest You know, it's better than action movie where you need a lot of vehicles and a lot of effects and stuff like that. So that's why they they said, okay. There's gonna be no problem to show this kind of stuff because it's fake, obviously.   But then tell you later,   you know, people got   their their head shot,   chopped off or they got to be shot, and that looked really real.  



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Yeah.   Crazy.   There's this special effect of and movies have jumped   over every, you know,   every decade, I guess. You know, I think they chop things up into decades and loosely base things around every 10 years   and they overlap   a little bit here and there, but things get phased out in in every 10 years of stuff. Yeah. It seems.   Yeah. It's pretty fast.  

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The only thing they chopped off on adult films is the   the body hair of the girls.  

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You know, that always bothered me. I was when when I was a kid, we'd watch movies and, and that's when VHS rentals first came out.   You know, we'd rent tapes, and it was like, you know, why do I gotta put sex scenes in all these movies?   Right. Everybody was like, oh, here it is. And I'm like,   truck go to the 5th chord. Yeah. You know, I was like, I'm just I'm not here to see that.   Yeah. You know, just kinda every single one had it. I think it was just a little bit of a flag I saw   for the, you know, the they they throw they throw all of the crazy stuff in movies.   Smoking,   drinking,   the sacks, the the the the killing people.  

Yeah. All this stuff was created. It's there was no accident that   movies and music and and it all ended up to be this   this shit show that it is now.   You know? I like to watch the older movies, Rob, like, from the thirties, the black and whites.  

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Yes. And especially with with no,   with no speech.   Oh, yeah. And The the the  

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Wow. That's a little much for me. You know? But, yeah, to watch that stuff, bro, here's a movie, man. If you like that stuff, check out this one. You know Boris Karloff played played Frankenstein?   Right.   He was in 1 in 1939   called The Man They Could Not Hang.   K? Uh-huh. It was you yeah. He was a doctor   messing around with, like, something like anesthesia.   And,   he I don't wanna give you too many spoiler alerts. You know? I don't wanna tell you too much, but   him and his assistant were doing a a a a procedure that was he created.   And and he's like, okay. You kill me and bring me back to life.  

He's like, yeah. Definitely. Let's go.   And then   and   and then,   the the the the assistant's   wife comes in, and she's like, what the fuck are you doing?   And she calls the cops and and things go haywire.   Okay? Uh-huh.   But   you you'll see   how they you know, it's 1939. A lot of things were in the judicial system,   you know,   and the medical system was pretty new. Uh-huh.   You know, they weren't   they were established, but they were still kinda really   getting their stronghold on the society, I think, you know, and establishing themselves   and whatnot. Right?  

And I I see that movie and I was like, look,   they're just showing all these people that the medical system   works and,   well,   the pool you know,   the judicial system, I'm   not sure if you call it working, but, like, how it works.   And,   you know, it's this is just how they they made all this stuff   acceptable to the public, in other words. You know what I mean?   This is how they that we're  

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the the the I think that the magic of the marketing   then was established too, that they figured out like, oh, wait a minute.   People are looking at this kind of stuff.   So what   about, some messages, and how can we   put some stuff out? Because if I'll let's talk to Eric Finnis the other day, about it. Like,   you know, nowadays, we look at television, but a simple easy trick to, to see how stupid people are.   Just hang   a sign of paper on a door and say   freshly touched. Yeah. Freshly painted. See how how how how many people will   eventually   treat that door a little bit different. No? Approach that door different. It's it's crazy. Like a prison, like, okay, I'm in prison. So everything will be locked while have you checked the door.  



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Right. Is it really red paint?   Or is it dry? And it's just a sign   bringing your attention all the way over there? Oh, yeah. It's just saying like, oh, this is it. So do you believe it or not? Yeah. No, man. I would always get the paint on my hand, bro. I was one of those   alright. It's wet.  

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Yeah.  

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I can't trust you now.  

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So   how many episodes you're in now with the Vika on, heliopsychosis?  

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Oh, bro. We got,   a 100 episodes in   February, I think.   Oh, what's the blurry march about a 100? So now,   oof, we're going strong, man. We had a we had a we're having a good run this year, a little time off earlier   and in the summer. You know, Avika's, like, so crazy busy in the summer. Uh-huh.   The times that we did do episodes   when he was working,   he he just spread himself out, like, too much, man. Right.   He's gotta take care of that stuff. He's he's he has a big responsibility to that. Like, so   he can't just,   bail out of it, and he's gotta really, like he takes care of a lot of things for a lot of different people, and it's a juggling act. So you can't be you have fucking spent on Mondays every Monday. You know what I mean? Right. Right. So we took a little time off.  

I,   I   I missed 2, maybe 3 episodes in a row out of bounce down to Georgia.   That's right above Florida.   Uh-huh.   So I flew down there. My sister died, bro. We got to see her one last time, brother.   You know? And,   pretty sure that me and my wife were the last ones   who saw her and was with her when she was semi conscious.   Wow.   Yeah. After we left off, man. Bro. It was it was so hard, man. It was really   very difficult.   Very difficult, man.   But,   you know, it's part of the gig, bro. That's what we do. And you know what? I had to really look at it. She graduated,   bro.  

She let them done, man. Nobody's sad when you graduate. Right?   Right.   Right.   The kids who you leaving school are kinda oh, they're gone.   But that's all. I'll see you next year, man.  

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Yeah. It's leveling up. Right? And it's one of it's it's it's really hard   psych psychology   to realize that   now your consciousness tells you that you're alive, but there's one way   or one thing is sure, no matter what you make, no matter where you are, no matter what culture that you have, belief system, whatever the fuck,   one day you will not   be alive on this planet.   That's for a lot of people, maybe it's like, oh, wow.   I don't have to go back to my shithole, to my shitty job, to my fucking family, or whatever the fuck. But for a lot of people, it's really hard.   It's like fear.  

What do you think about death?  

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I I think that, you're pretty spot on with how you just say that. It's a fear,   and I think that's a design.   That is a design to keep us in the fear based   trauma,   psychological warfare that they got on us. I don't I'm not afraid of dying, bro. I don't wanna live underneath the bus fucking bleeding to death for 3 hours or whatever while people filming me. I don't wanna go out like that. But if that's what's coming,   I'm I'm I I accept it now. You know? I don't,   you know, I don't   does, you know, doesn't bother me, man. I'm not afraid. I am,   I'm in a   in a way I'm looking forward,   you know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I know where I'm going, bro. I know I'm no doubt.  

I know I got I'm here for for re I don't know why, but I know I'm here to do things. I was told that   as a kid by spirit.   And that was the first time I had a conversation with with somebody that don't live here in the physical world, bro.   You know? And I was I was 5 years old. Did I tell you this? I'm not sure, man. My I'm not sure either. I was listening to parts of the episode that we did, but, yes, plea please, if you wanna dig into it, please do. I would love to, bro. It's   it's a it's a rough one. I was 5 years old. My sister that just died.   She was 12.  

My other sister was 11.   My twin sisters were 10.   5 of us. Right?   My, my mother's husband,   my sister's father   died long time before I was born.   My father and my mother,   my father left. He was a military guy. He left.   They didn't you know? And I'm not too sure what happened. But, anyway, so my mother's boyfriend   had kids. We all got along. Everything was fun.   And she came, said good night to me one night.   And,   you know, for some weird reason, I was like, mom, I wanna go with you. And I never I never said that to her. She was she it was   1973, bro. You know, I was fucking different world, man.  

My sister's 12 years old, 11 and 10. They watched me. My aunt, she was, like, 14.   She was there watching me.   It would, you know?   So, yeah, man. 20 minutes later,   the knock comes on the door and the fucking ambulance, the police,   the neighbors, my relatives,   warm into my house because my mother was killed   in a car accident.   She's, you know, dead on on the spot, man. She died right there.   You know, it was bad. It was fucking brutal actually, you know.   So,   you know, the reason why I go through that scenario   is because now you know what the what my house sounded like.   Dude.  

The lights outside that my sisters were hysterical   crying. I can almost cry right now.   I'll tell the story a lot, but, you know, it's time I do. And, you know, let people know what's going on with that. And if it helps someone,   I I would love to think that it could help someone understand this this world and   what we're talking about because they don't talk about it enough. They make they let it, you know, oh, maybe you go here. Some people like, ah, you go nowhere. You get you thrown in the ground. You're done.   So I don't I don't know if that's true of everybody.  

But   so so in the middle of all that screaming and and the the walkie talkies and   all I had   mayhem, brother. It's great as he did.   Everything went silent, Rob.   And I'm looking around. I'm like, I don't hear nothing. And all of a sudden, I I realized there's a spirit looking at me, and I'm like,   it was up too. It was, like, in my head, but up.   It was very,   surreal. It was, like, very dream state, Rob. Like, you know,   when you're falling asleep, it's like, halfway in and out. Uh-huh. Something like that.   So   I I look at this spirit. I like I knew him almost. You know?   And there was other spirits near them, and there was a lot more spirits behind them where my mother was I saw my mother leaving.  

Right? And I said, I want my mom back.   To that spirit. I was like, I want my mom back. Right. She was like, mom, mom's here with us right now.   I was like, well, take me too. I wanna go there. And like, well, you, you, you can't come here. You're taught. You're not ready to come here yet. Your time's not ready.   I'm you know, I gotta go through this story more in my head because it I lost   details of it through the years. You know? I don't talk I don't talk about it a lot, Rob. You know?   And I tell you what, the spirit   has contacted   me a few times in my life. Like, almost every single day, really. But sometimes   it was very profound. And and   and the more I live, the more I realized that there was more of that than I realized at the time.  

So I'm I reflect on my life to those moments a lot   a lot when it was like   no questions asked. That was fucking a spirit talking to me.   You know?   So, you know, I was like, you you know, you you gotta you gotta take me. I wanna go.   And they're like, you know, like, no, you gotta stay here till your time is done.   Be a good person.   And, and you come here when, when you're, when you're done. We all come here.   And, and it was over. It was almost as quick as that. And the screaming started again   and and my life continued.   And I but then I got adopted by,   oh, a a couple   who lived in Brooklyn. I was I was born in Brooklyn. I moved to Long Island when that happened. It was in Long Island. I moved back to Brooklyn because our families lived grew up together in Brooklyn. So one of the other families,   my parents who adopted   me, they're   the my mother's my adopted mother's   cousin married my mother's brother.  

So we were related through marriage.   Right? My there was pictures of my mom   in the house I grew up in in Brooklyn after she died. Be you know what I mean? It was   she was in that house. So it was like, wow. It was fucking special to me, man.   You know? Here's another here's another for instance. A red flag came up, you know, I so I got taken out of out of my house.   It was over, bro. Everything was gone. It was like, don't look back. It's gone.   So what I said to myself   was,   don't worry.   That place will always be exactly where it is.   If you ever wanna go back and, like, reminisce or try to feel something or   contact, whatever it is, you can go right back and it's there.  

Right. So then, you know, fast forward a few years later as 8 8 or 9 years old, they're trying to teach me about the heliocentric   model. I was like, red flag. This fucking place ain't moving.   No. It's not. That was that was like, how do you do that? That's I'm like, no.   Right. And that red flag didn't re didn't   ring as a red flag till, like, 5 or 6 years ago. I was like, I fucking knew it. They called me this a long time ago.   Wow.   So isn't that cool, man?   We we all there. You know, the only   question is,   who's we?  



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Right.  

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Is it all of we? I think it's everybody.   So I've had questions. Right? All is 1.   Yeah, man.  

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So what if and I was talking about that with a friend of mine.   What if we   so we are the creators,   in my opinion. We we are the creators of our own reality. But what if we have some   program running   and not like indoctrination,   but like a program of,   let's say for the easy part, like, social media   that are gonna push us into some kind of narrative.   Oh, snake turn head is calling me. Sorry for that.   Snake, no. Not the pipe. A   pipe. Snake,   my   brother.   Snake, my brother gotta cut you off. I I would talk to this guy for so many times, but   okay. Getting back to the the topic. So we create our own reality because we are creators.  

But   what if everything that we create,   at the same time is because we all focus on the same things, and then we create it.   So   we create our own reality. Okay. My own reality.   With everything that's been passed on,   like,   what is it called? It's   messages sort of things that you don't do not really see, but you see them   and you you attach to them. Somehow, everyone, every person has that, and that's why we create the reality together,   not only as an individual.  

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Bro. I can't argue that. You know? And this is what brings me back right back to movies and TV.   Right. We're all looking at that,   and we're seeing certain things,   and we're not seeing other certain things. But I think   TV, radio, media,   all any of that   style of, like, broadcasting   was created for the deception.   Like, it wasn't created and then and then these guys were like, oh, hey. Let me see that.   But we're like, oh, wait a second.   We could we can manipulate the airwaves.   We could do this. Watch. And then we'll present it as this fucking golden   thing. You know? And everyone's like, oh,   we all fell for it, bro. You know? And in the early days, it was  

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with play, like a theater,   or when somebody came across with the scroll, you know, that they said, like,   the door is painted.   What shit? Don't touch it because you're gonna have paint on your fingers.   This is the king, Rupe, and he went off.  

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Well, that's right.   Right?   It evolved from 1 from,   you know 1 harp's. Best.   Yeah.  

[00:26:41] Unknown:

It's so everything   everything,   evolves. Right? Normally.  

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That's an evolution.  

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That's an evolution. Exactly. So  

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it It's like first step. It originates a morph changes. Yes.  

[00:27:00] Unknown:

So you got the messenger that,   did a marathon in the early days, 42   kilometers of running   to deliver a message.   Nowadays,   we we can talk instantly with messaging, but that that goes also with   you know, like, 10, 15 years ago, there wasn't the technology that we have right now.   That's evolving also. So  

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Not on the street.  

[00:27:26] Unknown:

I think the No. On the street. If you are a real big g and you got some you got some stash   and you got some whatever the fuck you got, you know, you're not gonna tax at all. Look at Blacklist. You know, I I love that Siri   because this, Reddington, he was like the top g, you know, on the criminal. But the I really like it the way,   first of all, how the actor is playing that role with the with these little ticks, but, also, the way it works. You know? You you got your man on your side,   the armed side, and the way, like, okay, you remember   the telephone numbers. You do not put them then down on whatever because that's evidence.  

Your your your whole network is based on, I know this guy. You know? If you go to New Jersey,   if you go to LA, if I go to Bronx and say, yeah. You're gonna, you know, can I get some of this or that? You know,   I know this guy.   It's not like, oh, here. Dial this number, and you're gonna get some. No, man.   I know this guy.  

[00:28:33] Unknown:

Right? Well, you got another secret knock.  

[00:28:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   So,   I'm gonna get my phone very quickly, but please,   I wanna talk today because we wanna celebrate anyway because we live another day on this beautiful plain planet.   I wanna dig into some,   crazy   backstage stories because you,   mister Gene Additive,   was   one of the guys   in the most famous venues of New York   with a lot of bands. And and and I know I see that your face right now that you're gonna have some stories. And I wanna know something   because my girlfriend, one of my girlfriends asked me that about a t shirt that you gave to Slash that has been,   well, printed   several millions of times.  



[00:29:33] Unknown:

Yeah.   I get you're gonna go fix your light? I'm gonna fix my light? I'm gonna grab a couple of things? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and meanwhile,  

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when I'm talking, I'm just talking. And when you come okay. Yeah. I just had to get my phone to message   snake is not gonna call me all the time because he will.  

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Boss. Sick.  

[00:30:03] Unknown:

Nice. Yeah. Fellow human, that's disorganized production. Sometimes we gotta do, you know, you gotta shit done.   You got to get shit done. So I'm gonna text really fast   because otherwise,   he's gonna call me all the goddamn time.   So that's been that's it. Alright. And I'm gonna leave it like it is.   Damn. And I'm I'm really stoked to talk to Gene, especially that he shared his story,   about the death of his mom, which is,   something that a lot of people have to deal with. And especially around this time of year,   even if you celebrate it or not, it's,   December, the darker days.  

A lot of   things like Christmas and stuff like that is for celebrating together with family.   And when you're gonna,   when you lost someone, especially around these days, it's it's really hard for a lot of people.   And, not only that, a lot of people are alone   and see all the families come together.   And they have to celebrate   on their own.   And   that's something that we,   we have to be aware of too, because,   you know, it's it's not normal   to wake up every single day. It's a it's a blessing. And,   yeah, I was just telling   Jean that, for a lot of people, the this December month is a very dark month.  

Not only because we start winter right now, because we just had the winter solstice,   21st December,   but, also, because a lot of people are celebrating it with,   family and friends.   And not everyone is around, just like you mentioned with your mom.   It's, for a lot of people, also very hard time. Or when you're alone and you see everyone,   you know, sharing dinner and stuff like that together.   Yeah. So,   yeah, maybe you're gonna listen to a podcast and you feel   you feel, some some smile on your point on your face or you or you feel a little bit love and support that we try to, to reach here in the ether,   in the, ever eternal place of,   of this realm. Right?  

But, Gene, you're back. You're good?  

[00:32:42] Unknown:

I think so.  

[00:32:44] Unknown:

Okay.   Good. Okay. So   the first question will be,   you gave the smiley   shirt   with the headshot   to slash.   And,   my girlfriend, Lizzie, she asked me like, oh, wait a minute. Wasn't that,   a little bit winky winky to,   Kurt Cobain who shot himself, who because Nirvana also used   a smiley   on one of their records.  

[00:33:17] Unknown:

Really?  

[00:33:18] Unknown:

I think, yes, they did. Yeah.   Let me check it out. Fuck. Let me check it out. Let me check it out. So that's what that what's she asked. Right?  

[00:33:31] Unknown:

Well,   I I know the dates   around the dates that I was hanging it out with them.   It was the 1987.  

[00:33:41] Unknown:

Shit. You can't see it.   You know? Wait. Wait. Just hold on. Hold on.   Turn this off for a second.   Oh,   see your filters.  

[00:33:55] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, there it is.   Oh, that's right.   Right. Remember that. Yep. Sure.   I do remember that.   What year did that come out? Wasn't that in the nineties?  

[00:34:08] Unknown:

Oh, dude.   What does it say? What does it say?  

[00:34:16] Unknown:

Google release date.  

[00:34:22] Unknown:

Nirvana release release   date.   1991.  

[00:34:30] Unknown:

Right.  

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Okay. But Guns and Roses would be 1987,   89?  

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Yeah. I I was when I gave him that shirt, it was,   in in October   November   of 87. That's when I was hanging out with them those 2 months.  

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Right. But you don't know the the the year?  

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87.  

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87.   Yeah. Right. Oh,   here is the famous shirt.  

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Oh, shit. Where's the camera? Bro, that's the shirt I gave him, bro. Yeah.   That's it. I have that picture. My my nephew found that picture a few years ago. I was like, oh my god. Holy shit.  

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That fucking No.   Fucking cool.  

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That's cool.  

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That's the way to start a fucking podcast with right away.  

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Here we go. Check this out, man. I made this,   this is my drum pad.  

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And you like bloody smarties. Right?  

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You know, I had   it was the last you know, rubber comes in a 2 part liquid.   Uh-huh. You know? I make molds and   reproductions and copies plastic,   silicone, rubbers.   Mhmm. You know?   And,   I I forget if it was extra. No. You know what? It wasn't. It was near the end of the bottle.   And I'm like,   what am I gonna do? And I was like, oh, I gotta make one of these. It came to me, and I and, you know, I could've done it in any style, but,   I made this on my birthday.   I don't know. Like, 6 years ago or something, 8 years ago. Right. And and one of the first times he saw that the the very first time he saw that shirt,   I was wearing it on my birthday.  

In 1987,   I turned 20.   And,   he was they were they were playing this little place called Lemoore's.   It's in Brooklyn.   We I used to be able to walk to that place. You walk the walk there was, like, I don't know, 40 minutes, and the walk home was, like, 2 hours. You're fucking stumbling home.   The difference was staggering.   Oh.   Uphill.   Well, both ways, man. It was so fun, bro. I lived in a cool part of Brooklyn, man.   It really did. I was lucky. We we went to a lot of small shows   in that place.   You know?   There was so little people there,   but 1 or 2 of the shows because here's what happened. They they had dates announced. Tickets were sold. It was everybody knew was in the paper. This, that, blah blah blah. But there was also shows that they did in between with that weren't announced, and I happen to catch   them. Right.  

So there was a lot less people in those places, bro.   A lot less people, man. And I was buying actual drinks going back and forth. The fucking place was empty when it was over.   Man, they were hanging out. It was like, wow. I knew this album was gonna be big, man.  

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And it was just getting big, bro. It was just Was it Live Like a Suicide, or was it already appetite for destruction?  

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Appetite.   Appetite. What was Nobody heard Live Like A Suicide, though. I never heard a Live Like A Suicide. Right. Never heard it.  

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I got the, the t shirt with the original  

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cover art. Oh, me too. Yeah.   Bionic Grape.   Yes.   Controversial.   You know? I have Harry. I still have that shirt, man. I still have that album too.   Oh, yeah. I think I have it also.  

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You know, that that,   I was trying well,   trying to sell t shirts, the 2 t shirt of Guns N' Roses right now on, Vinted.   We know that some of them are, like, more than $200.  

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Oh, really?   Yes.   Dude, I want   I had all their autographs on one of the smiley face shirts. I don't know what happened to it.  

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Oh, dude. The thing is that's the thing. I'm I'm basically   had a lot of stuff   at my girlfriend at the time in a cellar and some some furniture and stuff like that, you know, packed in her house.   Then when I realized that I had to move   because I didn't have the money to get my trailer or my yep. Well, a big trailer to another place and stuff like that with transport and all that stuff.   I had to sell it for for less money. Okay.   But then you realize how much stuff you got. Right?   I throw away a lot of stuff that's, you know,   you put it on the Internet and no one's   no one   wants to give you shit for it.  

And then eventually,   a few months back, actually, someone said, you know, you got old tour t shirts. I said, fuck. Yeah. A lot of Guns and Roses stuff like that. He said,   that's like a $1,000,000   business. I said, what?   He said, yeah. Try to sell it, man, because on Etsy or whatever, they're gonna ask 2 to $300   for   a old vintage tour t shirt.   So I got 10 or 15 listed. 10 between 10 or 15. And,   Yeah. When I when I find the right offer, I will I will sell them because my memories are in my head and in my heart.   Yeah. Yeah. You you know you know what? Sometimes   you are willing to   stay down with that stuff, and you see it once in 5 or 6 years. You put it out of your brain like, oh, wow. Yeah.  

I'll put it again. You know? Stuff like that. I don't know. Have less.   It   it it would be another thing if I would have a place where I can stack it. You know? That that would be diffs.  

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Yeah.   Display it and look at it every day. That might be different.   Yes. You know? That that's kinda what I I'm I'm lucky. I have that here.   You know? It's not exactly the way I planned on having it, but,   I like I collect stuff, bro, and I I do. I got shit all over the place. Love  

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it. I like   it's it's it's different be because you're gonna   you're gonna,   ask your brain how much is it worth to keep it,   and   how how how how good is the   the momentum   of the memory?   Yeah.   And if you got memory still going on,   maybe that's different if if I will, you know, fuck myself up, demanding and stuff like that   when I'm in 20 or 30 years that someone brings up, like, the old stuff that I gonna have a feeling about stuff that I maybe real did in the in in the early days that I do not know now that maybe would be different.   Good.  

I don't have   kids to show the shit. You know?  

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Yeah. I met because the, yeah. You know what? My kids kinda do. He my son has some fun with the slash thing because,   his friend's parents   are into Guns N' Roses. You know? A lot of them. Right. And and he loves telling that story. You know? Oh, my dad gave he wore that guy's hat. They're like, what?   The next thing you know, the father will be asking me this was when they were in school. You know? Right.   But it is kinda it's kinda fun.  

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And and, you know, you you said,   the first time when you were on the show that eventually you were having,   tickets for a white zombie because they they came in, in the venue where you,   were were,   at the bar.   GBH. Right?   GBH?   No. What was no. Not GBH. What was the the venue called?  

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Oh, Lemar's.   Lemar's.   Right. Yeah.   So yeah. What happened with what happened with White Zombie was   that was before Guns N' Roses. I was a waiter.   Right? I was a waiter, and I worked   Friday night to Saturday morning, 6 to 6.   Right? And it was in Brooklyn, Park Slope.   So   Friday night, 2 in the morning, man. We got some characters coming in that place, bro.   I tell you, man. That was fun.   There was a lot of fun doing that overnight shift, man. I made good money too. You know? That was right before they started taxing   tips.  

Right? I was in that place when that law started getting talked about, and and my boss was like, yeah. And I think I'm gonna have to start taxing you tips.   And we were like, what? We oh, we were people were freaking out. But, anyway,   so I worked overnight with this girl. Her name was Eugenia. It was Jean and Eugenia.   And and one night, like, you know,   2 o'clock in the morning, here comes these 4 people. Fucking it was white zombie, but we're in now.   And she was like, oh my god. They sat in my section.   Please   take  

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my   table.  

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Oh   my   god.   And, you know,   we'd I I was like, hey. What's up? There wasn't too many people around. I was hanging out with them. You know? How are you doing? What's up? And then they came back next weekend, and I'm like, oh, come on over my section, man. Because, you know, like, don't don't worry about her. You know?   And and the next thing you know, they were always just in my section.   They just came right over to the table. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't always super busy, but the people that came in were fucking crazy.   You know?  



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But the real night stalkers.  

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Oh, man, bro. It was it was that was a fun time, man.   And you know what I did? I saved all the quarters and nickels and dimes and pennies, all the change, and I stuck it all in a jar. And, you know, some   bills if I had a little extra toss it right in the jar and had this huge jar of change. And one day, I decided to   cash it all in for parts to my drums.   I was like, oh, I want that.   And I and I forget what it was, but I bought it with quarters and nickels and dimes.   But,  

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oh, man. But that that's that's the thing. You know? That's   maybe that comes back to the value of things. Right?   So you can have something like, oh, I got this wherever the fuck   from that and that, or you have the memory.   But the the valuation   of it is that you have the memory that you're gonna   re,   relive that moment.   Right?   And exporting this item is like you it can bring you back in time.  

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It it does. It it helps to enhance the memory and the feeling and   yeah. It's kinda nice.   You know?   Yeah. Like, you know, sometimes I wish I had something for my mom.   Right. You know? I think that might be cool.   No. Nobody had a lot of stuff, man. It was so sudden. And, you know, his his   crazy part of that.   My my grandmother   lost 3 children in 18 months, bro.   In 1972   and 73, my uncle died of cancer. My uncle   who married that woman's cousin   died of cancer.   My aunt   killed herself,   and then my mother was in an accident.   18 months. My I don't know how my grandmother, like, survived mentally.  



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I feel like I'm a very tough woman, man.   That's  

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so mellow. It was hard to even she didn't talk much. And   at the end, you know,   she was friendly, but she didn't add to the conversation too much. She just was very quiet.  

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You know what? It it I think some some things like that are are   make you an unbelief.   And if you are in unbelief, you are   stuck in that moment. Right?   You can't talk about with the nothing matters.   So even even new events do not   take you back to to   to the persons that you love.   No, man.  

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Brooklyn, I didn't, like, even see my grandmother for a couple of years.   You know? Yeah. My sisters went to my 2 older sisters went to live with her,   and my twin sisters went to New Jersey to live with my aunt,   My other aunt. Like, there's a big family. It was, like, 8 of them, I think.   Yeah. And and here's something, bro, it's fucking   my my grandfather   killed himself and jumped off a building in in the twenties or thirties or forties or something like that, whatever it was. Fifties.   I don't remember.   Somehow it had to be like the fifties because my mother was born in 43, I think.   So, yeah, it was like and so, you know,   I I think they tried to save the family from knowing that by saying he might have fell,   but then later on, you hear like, yeah, man. They think he fucking jumped.  

Fuck.   Yeah.   So I always always like, ugh.   And then my aunt who died with my me and my mother, my my uncle, my aunt, she killed herself   because   she she just had a baby,   and her boyfriend   was walking away from her. And she was like, yo, you better fucking get back here.   And he was like, yeah. And then she was like, yeah. I'll kill myself. He was like, yeah. Go ahead.   And she's there at   frog.   And,   she was a twin. My sister's a twins. A lot of twins.   But that's it. Yeah.   I I wish that, you know, here's something else also. You know, that voice, that that spirit that talks to me, Rob, has come in very fucking loud and clear once   a quite a few times in my life   as a kid.  

And   and   one time, like, when I got adopted,   those people were married for 13 years   and they couldn't have no kids. They were trying this and everything under the sun, man, and then nothing.   And   3 or 4 months after I got there, she was pregnant.   That's like   right out of the movies, bro.   Wow.   Yep. So within within, like, 18 months or so,   I had a baby brother.   And they lost affection for me somewhere along the line there, bro, really quick.   I was like, fuck. And, you know, I was a little troublesome.   You know,   Wait. What do you want? What do you want me to say? You know? It wasn't very cooperative all the time at a certain point after that.   You know? So and I realized they I sat on my stoop in Brooklyn. I'm like, damn. My mother's gone.  

My sisters are gone. I haven't heard from my sisters. It would it would for a couple years, bro.   Literally.   Yeah, man.   Our story is through my mother, my adopted mother, but, yeah, we're gonna go see them. You didn't do the dishes right. We're not going now.   Shit like that. Oh,   fuck. Yeah. I know. Right? And I was like, okay. I'll do the dishes better next time.   Oh. So   at one one day, all of a sudden, I found myself on my stoop going. I felt so lost then   and   confused,   alone,   probably lonely,   which thank God I don't feel that anymore. I don't have that spirit with me and, you know, but I I was expecting things from these people.   Right. And I was getting a lot of the op like, a 180 off of it, opposite. So I was like, you know, what am I gonna do? Everybody's gone. These people can't stand me. What the fuck? Fuck? How am I gonna build myself? How am I gonna   know who I am   right away? What am I gonna do here? And   the world went silent and   that spirit said, you know, you listen.  

You're gonna see a lot of different things in this world.   You try and build yourself   off of the things you see that are good,   not the things that are bad. And I was like, ah, it's pretty simple.   You know? Like,   it didn't always work. You know? I was a I was really a problem child. But  

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But, hey. You had to deal with a lot of shit. I did, man. I I   you know? You know? I guess Brooklyn back in the days was hard to to   it was a hard hard part of New York. Right? Brooklyn.  

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Oh, sun it was Sunset Park,   Brooklyn in the early seventies. It was 73.   I think I moved out in 80. Those 7 years. So it was like, I was 12. I turned 13 when I moved to Bay Ridge, one town away.   And the one town away   was night and day, bro. You cross that border and you fucking knew it.   Yeah. Sunset Park was a much different part of town, bro, and it was right there. They they weren't right near each other.   Yep. That's where the BQE turns up and goes through the streets.  

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Right. I I only know that by by by movies.   You know? The by the old movies, like, you know, Brooklyn and, you know Saturday Night Fever?  

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Yeah. Something like that. Right? That was filmed in Bay Ridge.  

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Right. Yeah. That was   No. That that that was, of course, the the the   maybe the stereotype   of the,   provinces and New York that they wanna give us.  

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For sure. For sure. I get  

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it. The somewhere worse than other places. Of course, it was also a very hard place to live.  

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Yeah.   The Bronx?   Yeah. Yeah. Oh, bro. I wouldn't wanna go to the Bronx in the eighties from Brooklyn. No. Like, no. And then or even downtown Brooklyn.   Bed Stuy, East New York. Yeah. I got stuck in East New York once. I almost got killed, bro.   Dude, I was done yeah. You know? In that restaurant no. No. No. I was. It was a different restaurant.   Right after the Guns N' Roses thing. Me and this waiter, okay. We'll go get some. I know I'm like, I'm not too sure. You know? He's like, I got a spot. Don't worry. Let's go.   Yo, man.  

But you you you did not wanna be   me in that part of town.   Bed  

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I would do The blood to smiley.  

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You always ended up like the smiley. Right? Oh, for oh, yeah. I mean, I was surrounded. They were cutting my clothes off me. They were the guy had me then the pimp came down and had me in a hat, put got in between everybody,   grabbed me in a headlock, and walked me out of there and said, you better get the fuck out of here. I was like, yeah, picking up my pants. I have sweatpants on it, but, bro, I was running.   Now you know what? But you know what?   They took my money. They took out my sneakers.   No. Shit.   Off my shirt.  

Oh, I was in I was in a serious pinch at the moment. So the cars were going this way. I the I had to go that way and then drive out of this scenario.   I was like,   oh, shit. My friend was driving. So you know what I told him? I'm like, dude, go around the block. I wanna go talk to this girl. I got everybody settled down. I'm like, bro, go around the block. I wanna see this girl. Let's try and get something from her. Right.   Dude, worst thing in the world, man. We were supposed to get the hell out of there, and I was willing to go around the block and try it again with less than no sneakers, no shirt, no money.   Oh, gosh. That's stupid I was, bro.  



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Is there a lot of things changed in New York, or is it still a harsh place to survive?  

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I'm not sure,   to tell you the truth. I don't know. I don't go back too much, Rob.  

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Not really. It's fucking huge, of course, also. Right?  

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Sorry?   It's huge.   It's it is. It's big. It covers a lot of land. Like, Brooklyn's 28 square miles, and I only hung out a little part of it. Couple   Right. You know?   Because it goes like Bay Ridge. Is that the Verrazano   where that goes to Staten Island? Uh-huh. I lived I lived in,   it goes Sunset Park.   I lived down there a little. That's where my family's grew up. That's where that's where, like, my family comes from. Sunset Park.   No. I'm sorry.   What is it?   That's sun not Sunset Park. What's that?   I can't think of the name of the town. For this. Park Sunset Park is second, and then Bay Ridge is   Park Slope.  

It's Park Slope,   Sunset Park, Bay Ridge.  

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Right. That's And I haven't been to New York, to be honest with you. And if I go to New York, I'm gonna visit you.   We're gonna play some fucking music, man.  

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Dude, I would so love to.   I really would. 2025,  

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100%.   So last year when we started, it was April. I never ever imagined   imagined   that I was going to visit   America at the first place. But I I I was down in LA.  

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Fuck yeah. LA, man.   Wow. That's freaking cool, bro. How did you swing that? What happened? What was when  

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well, let me My casting and, Milton Ocampo,   which   yeah. Milton is he's doing a podcast right now. Shout out to Milton.   You know, life's a dream and death is awakening is his podcast.   And,   he we were with the with the fundamental boys in a group, and we were just playing around and stuff like that. And,   I had the urge to get my passport   somewhere. And I don't know why, but I had something like, okay. Got a little bit money.   Spirit's talking to you. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So it's so it's that, like, get a passport. And within 2 weeks,   strong as I prefer to say,   I have my passport. So I said that to the group, and Milton said, why don't you come over here? Because we got something to celebrate. They're gonna bring more people over here. But  

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Yeah. So stamps on that that puppy. Yeah. Oh,  

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no. Nowadays, they don't do that anymore.  

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What a drag.  

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It's   it's just like digital registration.   Right? That's so fucked up. I was so happy. You know?   I I found my dad's passport.   We we he had, like,   5 or 6, maybe 7, but they were all stamped in   Bulgaria, Russia   before the wall went down. The iron curtain, before that,   dude, that that guy was like a badass mother That's cool.   But Milton told me, like, you know what?   He he's sending me a DM and he said, I'm going to arrange some people in LA, downtown LA.   I want you to be part of it. So,   come over here. You got your passport now.   I said, dude, well,   you know, don't   don't bother. We're gonna arrange that. So he did.  

And, I think 2, 2 strongs later, I was sitting in the, in the airplane to, to LA.   And my mom,   she said, what you're gonna do is I'm going to America.   She said,   do you know someone there? I said, well, basically, I talked to someone on the DM.   So she said, who's gonna pick you up? I said, I don't know.   Dude,   yes.   Maybe you're gonna get killed. I said, I'm gonna I'm I'm not gonna survive my life anyway, so why not without doing   a ditch?   What if they're not gonna pick you up? I said, I don't know. I have some money to burn, and I'll let's see. I mean, I I don't know. No risk.   Nothing happens. Right? With no risk, nothing happens. So,   yeah.  

I landed in, in in LA, and the first thing I saw was this big ass police car, like, you see in the series and and movies and stuff like that. So, fuck, yeah. I'm in America.   Cops all over the place, don't we? Well, I would do that that. And it was really, really cool because,   I had Uber,   installed in on my telephone, which you really need if you're going around in LA.   Unfortunately, I had a credit card, so that was a very very easy way to, to travel and to do some stuff because my bank   didn't allow me to get some cash.   Don't ask me why, but,   well,   the first   guy that I saw,   or talked to in LA was this guy, John, and he was 25 years   LAPD.  

And we were driving   to downtown LA. And you see all, you know, you see all the stuff that you see in the movies. For me,   as a Dutch guy, you know, European guy, and you see all downtown LA in in the in the, you know, all the all the skyscrapers and all that stuff. We were talking.   Yeah. That was crazy, man. I   a beautiful,   really good time. And   I wasn't surprised because,   Alex Pauls from Affirmamental,   Joseph Colin Wright,   Josh Monday,   they were there already.   Really?   Yes.   Wow.   And they didn't knew that Milton arranged that I   came down there. That's great. That was so fucking I love it.  

And I said to Milton, because he showed me around in the apartment, he said, take care. I'm gonna pick you up within an hour. You can fresh yourself and stuff like that.   I said, you know what? I'm going   to walk with you,   and I'm just gonna say, hey. You look familiar to me.   Dude, that was that was pretty awesome. Yeah. We hang around. We were talking about business. We were having fun. And,   yeah.   One day, we we walked down the beaches on, and I was so stupid, man, because   I took   the Uber to the Hollywood sign. You know, the stupid fucking Hollywood sign. I just wanted to see it.   So I got dropped off for, like, $17.  

That's not that much. Right?   But you gotta walk   to there.   I didn't do that. So I tried to walk there. It was hot.   I got my slippers on. I got my skirt. Oh, you know, I was packed. And then I fucking realized, like, fuck.   There are snakes   here because there were signs like beware of rattlesnakes.   I was walking there with my flip flops like stupid,   stupid,   stupid.   But then I realized, damn, I do not have a receptionist, so I can't call an Uber.  

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Great. So  

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I tried to get up, then you got all these sirens and and police drones and stuff like that. Go back blah blah blah. Yeah. It's it's really stupid. It's really stupid. Actually, fine. There are all antennas and all that stuff. Don't go there. It's it's a fucking scam.   But I walked for, like, 2 or 3 hours in the fucking burning sun.   And then I came in Hollywood.   And guess what?   I asked the lady who brought out the trash, like, hi. Hi. Can I help you with something? I said, yeah. Do you got a Wi Fi,   connection? Because I needed to call an Uber.   Are you okay, my dear? I said, yeah. I think I am. Do you need water? I said, no. I got some water with me. So she's looking at a guy with some, flip flops and a skirt.  

In a restricted zone. In a restricted zone. Yeah. And that was that was really Hollywood. So I I called new I want to call Newbur, but it was, like, 80 or $90   because it was fucking Hollywood. Right? So I said, you know what? I'm gonna download   the map of the the area map,   and I'm gonna walk. How how how long is it walk? Oh, it's not that much. It's, like, 1 mile or 2 miles. Oh, that's okay.   Eventually, I think it turned out, like, almost 5 miles that I walked,   and it was odd. It was so funny. Big difference.   And then I got on,   actually, on Hollywood Boulevard.  

I ended up and at Dunkin's   Pizza Eye or the new Uber to get home.  

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Did you get any pizza?  

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No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No fast food for me normally, man.  

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Not not well, pizza can be fast food, but it could be decent too. You call it fast food? To be honest, I had on Hollywood Boulevard, there was a taco  

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stand, and I had 3 tacos, and they were   awesome.   Really? Good food for good money, but, like, Dunkin' Donuts and stuff, it's not. It's not nothing.   Dunkin' Donuts is fucking garbage, bro. Yes. That's what it that I I only need the Internet connection.  

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Correct.  

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Yeah. That was oh, man. But please,   Gene,   tell me the most tell me some some some backstage stories that you wanna share with, with the audience here, Because I know you got some crazy stuff going.  

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Let me let me finish the, white zombie.  

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Yes, please. They  

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would come in every Saturday. We're buddies. You know? I'd I'd hook them up with French fries and cokes and shit. You know what I mean?   So eventually,   Rob says to me,   yo, man. We're having a show next Saturday, whatever it was, you know. Why don't you come down? I get your tickets. You bro, come on in.   I was like, oh, I already got tickets. That was my birthday. I'm going to see Guns N' Roses at Lemoy's. You heard of Guns N' Roses? And he's like, nah. I never heard of them.   So   you know what I mean?   And then,   I mean, I I I think that those guys ended up playing big stadium shows together,   but now there's no doubt that they both know each other. And but the first time   white zombie ever heard of Guns N' Roses was from me, bro.  

Wow. Oh, yeah. It was it was that early.   It was it was that early.   87, bro.   Yeah. Check check this out. I got I I'll show you a couple more things.   I think I showed you this last time, bro. I got this album   Yes. With slag shirt.   And, bro, this is a strange thing. I this is a bootleg copy   that my sister found at a place in Manhattan. It was called Bleeker Bob's. Anybody from New York,   anywhere close to my age knows Bleeker Bob's.   They had every album ever, man. The place was like, you found the fucking weirdest stuff in there, man. Uh-huh. But she got this out of Bleeker Bobs, and it's a show that we were at.   Like, I don't know how that happened, man. He's wearing a show or a shirt that I probably gave him at the show.  

They because here's the   thing. When when he saw me wearing the shirt, he was sitting there playing with my sister's earring,   taking taking the earring off and putting it on his chain. It was a Chinese symbol for life.   Uh-huh. And he was like, oh, can I I didn't see this because I came out in the middle of it? But he   slashed and my sister was sitting outside of Lamar's.   Nobody around, you know, it was fuck there were a couple people, but it wasn't like a big crowd around this guy. I don't even know who he was, bro. Right.   You know? So I walk over wearing my shirt, and he looks up. He's like, oh, that's fucking cool.  

And I'm like, oh, cool. So he was wearing Metallica.   And I go, oh, great shirt. And I say, slash before my eyes.   Is the   from a Metallica song. He was like, oh, dude. That's good.   We fucking we hit it off, like, right away, man. You know? And then Wow.   Yeah.   Yeah.   It was cool, man. So,   you know, they played a whole series of shows,   and I got to meet them at every show because   we saw them at Lemoore's.   That was, like, the second or third time I met them.   We we met them already.   Right.   You know? And then we we saw him at more shows after that.   I saw him at, where's that picture?  

Yeah. Here's a here's a picture.   Like, 2 days after I met I he saw the shirt first. He's like, dude, you gotta get me one. And, you know, Rob, I wasn't thinking. I should've said let's switch shirts right now.   And I woulda had his shirt. He woulda had mine. I would have been fucking sick, but I didn't thought of it. But here's a picture of me.   Let me see if you could see the hat.   Fuck. Yeah.   Yeah, bro. That's me wearing his hat.   And   there he is sitting there with a bottle of Jack that's is he straddling? And Oh, yeah. You just see the hat? The the yes.  

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Yeah. Oh, fuck, man.  

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Right?   Dude, it was fucking   that was 2 days later. So I was first at the door,   and and the limo pulls up or a van pulls up, actually. It wasn't a limo.   Van pulls up. They get out,   and he's he fucking looks at me. He goes, dude, did you get me that shirt?   You know, I was like, oh, you as a matter of fact, yeah. I did it. And I handed him a shirt at CBGBs.   Right at the door of CBGBs,   bro. Dude, that's far. I'm crazy.   Yeah. I mean yeah.   So then,   yeah. It's from a couple times after that. They played another few shows,   like the Ritz,   maybe Starland Ballroom. I forget, man. I don't even remember which places I saw them at, you know.  

And then next thing you know, it's about,   it's near, like, a month, not even a month later. And we hear that they're in Florida, open up for for Motley Crue.   We're like, oh, man.   Holy shit. That fast?   So   so it was me, my twin sisters,   my one of my sisters worked at MTV, just like booking and stuff, you know. I'm not in, like, production production or whatever, but she had some friends.   Couple of girls. Oh, bro, there was like 10 of us   that or we   we ordered tickets for for the 3 places in Florida.   Jacksonville,   Fort Myers, and Fort Lauderdale.  

So we we rented cars, and we drove down. I didn't drive. I was I didn't have a license.   We get down there on Thanksgiving   1987,   late November,   And we get to we get to the hotel   with with bro, there's no GPS. You know? So we will ask. You know what I mean? Probably a road map if you were lucky.   Bro, I don't even know how we did it. I really don't.   Fucking we're all alcoholics   fucking getting hammered. We had so much weed.   It was it was it was a great time, man.   The last hurrah was the 19 eighties, dude. It was the last, like, big   for me, it was. You know? Right. So   so   2 or 3 of us decide we get to the hotel. We're like, alright. We're gonna get beer. You guys check-in.  

We'll be back. Right.   We spent 2 hours   going to how many different it's Thanksgivings,   6 o'clock at night.   No place is open. We finally found, like, a a   a 24 pack, a case of beer.   But it was like, you know, remember the 6 packs with the plastic things you pop them off? Yeah. It was like 4 of them.   Well, we we we needed, like,   we needed, like, 20 of those.   Yeah. I really like 5 paces for all of us, man.   So   so we walk we we parked the car. We're walking in, and who's walking out?   Axle Rose and one of the roadies that I knew.   And I go, hey. What are you doing here?  

And he was like,   what? That question I'm on I'm on tour with Motley Crue. The question is, what are you doing here?   I was like, yeah. Well, I heard my buddies were on tour with with Motley Crue, so I figured I'd shoot down to Florida to come come hang out.   He was like, dude, we we hung out in the parking lot for 20 minutes hanging out bullshit and cracked the beer maybe. I I don't even know, man.   Some other stuff. But I but I told him, I'm like, dude, if you're going out there to go have fun,   you might as well come hang out with us because there's nothing out there. We just spent 2 hours, then this is what we found.   So he's like, yeah. Sure.  

So   we go in. Right?   And like I   said and this place, I think it was it was Jacksonville.   I think it's a dry town. Like, they don't have alcohol there. So we might have to drive out of town to go get it, bring it back. I don't remember all this stuff, bro.   So so we get in the lobby,   and the guy's like, you can't bring beer in here. And I think I waited outside,   or he might have went up. I I'm I'm not too sure because you know what what was going on. It was, like, 20 girls   surrounding him. And he was, like, you know, alright. How you doing? Autographs. So, you know,   it was cool.  

So we were a little separate. And it it wasn't like just us going in exactly, you know. So they wanted to throw us out with the beer. Like, you can't bring beer in here. Axel's so Axel comes over. He's like, listen. I'm renting the 8th 9th floors, and I'm bringing those beers up, and you're gonna get me security to bring them up with me.   That's what happened, bro. That works.   That that's what happened. So here's the   I got a picture of us.   Shit. You know what? My memory is sketchy, bro. Here's here's another picture of Axel sitting in,  

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Oh, wow.   Yeah. It says Steve   Rose, Matt.  

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Look at that dude. Look at he's, like, 25 or something. He's a little kid, though. You know?   I think that was that.  

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My motherfucker.   What? Good looking motherfucker. He's the same birthday as me. Well, he's 60   4, I think, and I'm 73.   6th   January.  

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6th February.   Alright. That was   right after my mom died. I was about   I just turned 6 that October.   Wow.   Yeah.   Wow.   Yep.   Yeah. My sisters have a lot of stuff, dude.   A lot of other stuff,   autographs and and other pictures that are cool, but I ain't talking to them right now. And I'm like, I would I wouldn't ask them for those pictures if you paid me.  

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Nope.   To be honest with you,   Guns and Roses was the band that helped me out in a very dark place as a teenager.  

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I see.  

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I was doing judo at the time, and I want to graduate for the black belt, sort of first Dan.   Wow.   But I was just struggling with my life, basically, because,   well, a lot of things were going on in in in my family and stuff like that.   And,   finally, I gave up judo because I didn't like it anymore.   And,   that was,   I think,   87 or something like that when   I I I sold   or I gave away my judo   suit.   And what I got was,   Paradise City from Guns N' Roses.   And put it down on a on a record,   on on a real pickup truck, on a pickup. Right? On the help, on a on a on a on a table.   Yeah.  

And I'm just like, oh,   here's my fucking freedom, man. So   I went to my dad's home because he was living in,   in Dusseldorf, so a very big place,   instead of my little village where I lived.   And, I purchased,   live like life like suicide, so,   lies for a lot of people,   and,   appetite for instruction. And that was just like, oh, wow. This is   and I was reading every dude, I got   articles.   Every single single thing that's been written of Guns N' Roses back in the days. And here in Europe, I I got an article of it. Rolling Stones, Hit Parade,   Bravo.  

Right. I'm about still got them. You know? I did just like as a teenager,   if I count the money that I spent on on only reading about the band,   got a number about that, you know, getting a ring.   Yeah. It's it's about,   how to press,   you know,   treat them as shit and talk,   shit about them.   And,   Yeah.   That was basically my,   my getaway   through a hard time of teenager listening to music, especially Guns N' Roses.   You had back a little you had,   Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi, Europe,   Metallica.   Slay wasn't you know, that was a little bit later.   A Megadeth,   Megadeth. I never listened to Megadeth, to be honest with you. Not really. Guns N' Roses.  



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I used to get into trouble for not liking popular bands. That trouble, but, you know Yeah. Where, like, people were like, oh, you don't like that?   Dude.   I don't.  

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I got my on my old phone,   I performed as Guns N' Roses live,   and I got a picture.   Probably, I I got I got a search for it a little bit, but I got a picture of me performing as actual rose.   I was a young kid back then.   Yes. Eventually, I was a young kid too.   Yeah. Are you are you   you still into rock and roll music, baby?  

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Am I?   I am.   Yes. I am. You know?   It's changed since I   got into   flat earth, really.   It it has. It's it's   it's I don't even know how to describe it. I do. I love music,   but I'm just a lot more select about when.   Like, I used to have music on   any any opportunity kinda.   And I'm not like, I really enjoy the silence now. It's the silence is kind of addicting.   So it's just like this weird   dichotomy I'm I'm facing with music lately a few years in my life   because I'm like Strange?   It really is, bro. Because I'm like, wow. There's a lot of Satan in this stuff, man.   And when I'm listening to it, I'm like,   is this is this good? I mean, is this not? I'm like, I don't sometimes it really does touch your soul.  

And,   you know, music can help you date your life.   You know, when that mute when that song came out, like, oh, that was I was doing this in that time. You know, when that when this song first came out, it was like, oh, I'll never forget it. And Right. It was this year. I was with these people. It was this time. It was a week later we did this. It really kinda helps you,   you know,   chronologically.   They like movies too. When shows were out, what movie came out. It's it's very definitive   what you would for me, what I was doing and who I was with,   what grade I was in, and the people I was hanging out with.  

It's still A lot. But I cut so much of that stuff out.  

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Is this silence?   Is that something   that makes you more   alive nowadays?   So, okay. So here's what I'm trying to say. In the early days, I want you to listen to music. So it gave me this kind of vibe or this kind of feeling. So, you know, you digged into that. But nowadays, the silence is   just to be with you.   Be with whatever there is.   And that makes it that makes it so special for me.   If if I was in Peru, there is no silence. If you go to a forest, there is no silence at all.  

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But the wind   or the bugs or the birds.   Hey. You know you know what I heard recently that I just love?   I don't know if it's true or not, but I heard that when, you know, the birds wake up first.   Yes. You hear the birds. Right? You hear the birds before you see the sun.   Yes.   What I heard is the birds know the sun is coming,   and they're waking up the plants.   Yes. Like, oh god. I love that. Yes. That is   so special to me. I'm like, wow.   Just like, wow.  

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Like, thoughts like that. That's why you don't hear them now in the winter. There are no flowers that have to get open.  

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There's a lot less to eat.   Yes.   New York has a a very high rate of different types of birds that migrate and come in and out of New York. Yeah.   For for one thing is, like long island sticks out far.   So when they're coming from like Canada,   Massachusetts, they they hit long island.   If the long island,   they have to come. If they're far enough out, you gotta kinda come inland to be on the land   or else you're you're, like, near the you're over the ocean sort of, but Right. Inland is could be 50 miles away or 20 miles away or whatever.  

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Dude, some of these birds are traveling   thousands of miles over the ocean.  

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Bro.   How about butterflies, Rob? The the same similar situation with animal world   and not like, the monarch butterfly.   Not one butterfly has ever made the entire trip   ever.   It's too long and their life is too short.   Fuck.   Wow.  

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You   know?   But   okay. So so so so copy paste that to,   let's say, real enlightenment   people.   How many people are really are,   you know, if you if you pass the ego. So let let's say that you are really having no ego, which is which is completely impossible.   Because when you have no ego,   you   probably can survive.   Ego is there   to,   it could be categorized of course, but ego,   you need ego because that's the way to survive.   That's the thing that wakes you up.  

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Like a control mechanism.   Yes.  

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Yes.   Yeah. I don't think   there are not much people that have no ego. Probably if you have no ego, you're gonna be in a mental ward.   Mental institution.  

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What is it? Institutionalized?   Yeah. So  

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I'm not crazy.   I'm not crazy.   That's crazy.   The best The best thing of that from suicidal tendencies,   shout out to Ice Motherfucking   T, who did that   song from,   from suicidal tendencies.  

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Yeah.   That's a good copy. Oh, damn.  

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I think we talked about it the last time also, because it was a biometal institution, but   there are not a lot of   covers that are really good, but there are   some. Awesome.  

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Yeah. You know, remember we talked about Volbeat? They're from no part of town, bro. They got some really good cover songs, man.   I like those guys. That's the the the newest   last latest   last band I've liked since, like, the, you know, eighties or nineties.   Like, music fell off for me in the nineties. Oh my god. Let's start with the eighties, man. Same here. Yeah. I probably listened to  

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so here's the thing.   When I still have my own apartment, or not apartment, but my own trailer,   I got   once in a while, I get live with my guitar on TikTok.   And, randomly, people ask me to play randomly a song. I never listened to that song. So I listened to it, and I played   disorganized tunes over it. Sometimes it went okay. Sometimes it didn't. But that's, hey, that's disorganized.   So I never knew   That's alright. What I was going to play.   Then, eventually, I I got in a group with people   that have several tastes of of music, and we're gonna post, you know, whatever we like. So that's why you got some new stuff coming in.   But really listening to it is something completely different. You like a song. Oh, this sounds good. But just like you said, you know, Volbeat was one of the last,   Clutch. We talked about it on on the last podcast. Also, Clutch was just like, oh, wow. Love this kind of shit, but   I never ever listened to, let's say, modern music or new bands. I do really not know what's happening right now. Probably, they're gonna sing seventies eighties   songs that we know and we grow up with with a   a touch of 2020.  

You know, CGI.  

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Recivilized.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They do. You know, wearing the same clothes and talking to us that we are looking stupid in our own photographs,   but they are are dressed up the same. You know, everything,   you know, it comes around, goes around. Right?  

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Right. Well, you know,   I think it's really designed. Every 10 years or so, things just kinda switch around.   It changes a little to the point where it morphs back into what it was back then. Right? Right.  

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I'm I'm I'm I'm still looking at the the picture. I see myself,   performing as as Axl Rose with the with   it was a tiny white,   short because he was doing that too. And and some gilet, so so like a short jacket.   Then my bandana and my long hair, and just like, oh, I know I was   doing the shit. I had all at that time, I still have my   red and white   or blue and white Nike Air Jordans.   Okay. If I still would have these shoes now,   I probably would have 5 to $10,000   each.   Really? I didn't knew that. If you have a pair that's never been worn and with with the with the with the box,   you you are having 20 to   $25,000 of value.  

Sneakers are crazy, man. My son I throw them away, like, 5 years ago.   Like, you know, oh, I'm not never gonna wear these motherfuckers.   What what you gonna do? You're gonna take them again and then again and look at it just like the shirts what we're talking about. Like, oh, wow. Yeah. Well   and then just like few months ago, they told me, like, oh, I saw something on Instagram. Like, oh, these Nike, Air Jordans. I said, wait a minute.   And you know why I had them? That brings me back to Guns N' Roses because there was a picture of   Axel who had   Nike Air Jordans with Axel on it. On the front? On the tongue of yeah.  

Blue ones.   Or red ones then and slash out red or white. And I my dad,   he had contacts in in, in,   in America, and and they brought the the basketball   shoes.   Right. When I was wearing them at at school, they laughed at me like, oh, these are clown shoes. Nike wasn't like a big, big thing in the eighties.  

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Nobody knew them. Yes. We're less popular.  

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The fuck.   Yeah. Just throw away $5,000   of worth. Oh, well, great memories, great story, but   you gotta do it with the story, Rob.  

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It's it's crazy, though, what 6 months will change because of the that pair of sneakers   within a certain amount of time went from clown shoes to oh, shit. I gotta get a pair.  

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Dude, I I got several occasions about stuff like, what?   Do you know? Did did you played with GI Joe as well, that sounds really, really, really nasty. But, the Hulk and GI Joe with all these these action topics,   I played with them in the bathtub. Right? When you're going into bath, you're playing with these characters.   If you got one stashed in a box, it's gonna be worth, like, few $100. Like, what?  

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My my favorite was, the planet of the apes dolls from the original.   Right. I had all of them, the horse, the the fortress, the the all of them. That was my favorite. I still love that   that series. Yeah. TV on it. I've watched it every I'm full asleep watching that over and over and over.  

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But you still got these action figures?  

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No. No.  

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My dad, when he passed away, I knew that my dad was,   he he turned 62, and then he, he he died. But I knew   back when he was   probably   late fifties,   he purchased a real it was a matchbox,   like racing racing track with 2 cars that you can, you know Oh, yeah. AFX?   Yes.   Yeah. And he had that, but he had a complete circle.   That's cool as slot cars. Right? Yes. But we call I think it was called Matchbox.   But   when he died, I never ever found the boxes.   Never I knew that he has he had that under his bed,   because it was usually it was not like the the the normal aid.   No. No. It was a complete, like,  

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Yeah. It was a old   Yes.  

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Do you know how much these things are just like, oh, we play with it. I I probably destroyed a lot of that shit. But if you got one right now out of the box,   dude,   that's that's a new Bitcoin.   Old shit.  

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True, man. Retro stuff is is   I I I like to collect things. Hey, Robbie. You wanna see something I got right here? Yeah. I see that you got a beautiful,  

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art of the moon   that you've made.  

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I did. I make them, man.  

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I did not. You still got a website now?  

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No. I'm a loser like that, man. I'm gonna I hate to self promote.   You know? I just   and I used to be more into it, and I'm just like,  

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I don't Okay. Okay. If you know what? If you would do you are on Instagram.   Right?   Yeah.   We're going   okay. I'm gonna help you out. Okay? If if you're gonna send me some pictures of the art that you have,   we probably could make an Instagram or, very easily an an,   Shopify, whatever the fuck, website.   And I'm gonna promote your stuff. Okay?  

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Wow. That would that's that seems like fun, man. Yeah. I would love to talk to you about it. I really would. I appreciate that, man. Let's do that, man. Oh, man. Yeah.   That's great. Because, you know,   when when you when you when you ran into the situation,   my first thought it's heartbreaking, man. I don't like to see my friends   having problems, bro. But I was like, oh, man. Maybe I'm I could I dude, if you know a venue to get rid of these things,   by you, I'll mail you these things, man. And you could I'll mail you fucking 10 every week or some shit   for free. I mean, let you know? I'll do that for you, bro.  

Yeah. You thought that if you thought that would help you, bro, I would fucking work   all day, all night to help you out with that shit, man. Dude, dude,  

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together with Snake   and, Ben from Unchained Brain,  

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We we are we are,  

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doing some, Yeah. We're doing some great stuff right now. We got a church.  

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We got a church. Love it. Yeah. I was talking to Ben a little bit, man.   Good. I he's crazy too, man. He's like   like all my fella, white snake, you, Fika,   Ben.   Man, I'm just like, wow. Look at these dudes. I really am. I find you you very impressive, bro.   You know? Your knowledge, your your your understanding,   your your perseverance,   your your   outlook,   your creativity.   Bro, I I fucking love you guys, man. My friends on the Internet. You know? I really do, man.   I I I like to you know, I went to a,   a meetup in Jersey.  

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The the Flat Earth meeting?  

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Flat Earth meetup, bro. Last minute, I'm like, you know what? Fuck this. I'm going, man. Like, 2 days before, I heard about it for a month and a half, and I'm like,   fucking being a dick. You know? And the last minute, I'm like, come on. Let's go. My wife was like, no.   She didn't feel like it.   I'm like, alright. Here we go.   3 hours, bro. That's all.   And I met some of the coolest fucking people. Now I'm friends with 10 more people   on my phone talking to them. They got that YouTubes and this and that.   And have you ever heard of Zulu? God rest. Zulu, man. Zulu. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Zulu 1, bro. He just   passed, bro. He was on Mark Sargent's live   like usual.  



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He passed?  

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He passed, man. During a live on Mark Sargent's show, bro.   So sad, bro. What the fuck? To his funeral.   I met some of the guys again there.   Saw David Weiss there, Lowry,   you know,   shift the eyes shady. Great great news, bro. Just like that. Fucking done, bro. He was   yep. Yep. They didn't know till afterwards. It was like, what the fuck?   Dude, I woke up the and I was I should have been on the live. I was on, like I tried to get on the lives in the chat all the time. And for some, I fell asleep, whatever. I don't know. You know? He woke up in the morning. I had, like, 3 texts. I'm like, oh my god. No.  

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Dude.  

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I don't know, bro. Really great dude, man.   Fuck. Yep.   Here's something funny.   I got this from David Wise   when I went to Tennessee.   A really nice Oh, he's shaking. Got it. Yeah.   Yep. And, even the back is cool, bro. Look at that. Oh, wow.   The back is neat. Right?   Oh, I love that.   I bought one for my wife. My wife bought one for me.   It was  

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it was right before Christmas last year. And you did it new? You did it new from each other that you were buying these for each other? No. Oh, that's fucking cool, man. Is that right?   That's cool.   So Yep. So when you think so oh, yeah. Sorry.  

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No. That's that's cool. Alright.   So I bought that from,   and I didn't learn till months later that gets them from Zulu.   I'm like, oh, the you know, small community, bro. We're all here, brother.   You know?  

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So what do you think about the,   so called stupid,   last   final   experiment?  

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Bro. I I think it's like a psyop within a psyop on top of a psyop.  

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Sponsored by millionaires.   What's that? Sponsored by millionaires that were millionaire at the age of 33.  

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Right. Right.  

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I had this guy on my show, right? You were talking about it in your life, I think, 2 strongs ago,   about William Duffy, about this girl,   that wanted to shout out Cheryl? No, Sharon   from no. Fuck. What was the name? She was,   basically with NASA.   She worked for NASA. Cindy. Cindy. Cindy Holland.   Yeah. And she said, like, I wanna know the the flight dates, where they went, the the everything, the the results, all that stuff. And I yes. Fuck. Yeah. And I said in the live, but it wasn't a chat, and you would got 80 people in the chat or stuff like that. I said I had him in a show, and the only thing that he could prove,   if he could prove it,   is that as a 24 hour sun, it doesn't mean that the earth of the shape   in any fucking way. And then I brought up the other day with Snake, like, okay.  

Let's say there's a 40 24   hour sun on Antarctica.   How does that sun provides the rest of the world   warmth and sunlight   When you see the sun going round in 24 hours,   is that the same sun that's that's that's in Africa with with, 100 degrees and and a south? Really? It doesn't mere any sense to me. Australia. Right?   It doesn't make any sense to me.  

[01:37:39] Unknown:

Let me have you seen any of,   Joe Hamby's work?  

[01:37:44] Unknown:

No. Not yet.  

[01:37:46] Unknown:

Alright. I'm gonna try and talk to Joe Hamby for you, man. You'd love this dude. Okay. There's 3 there's 3 guys right now working on   have a lights work   in a dome   and how that's possible. I saw it.   Yeah. Steve Alonzo?   Yeah.   Joe Hamby,   and this guy called psychedelics.   Bro, I'll I'll get you   hooked up as much as I can with these guys. You know what I mean?   Even if it's just on,   like, Instagram or something. And,   you know, I I if you'd like to have them on, I could always ask. Yes, please. Oh, sure. Definite I'll definitely ask them, bro. And,   you know, I I'm not sure who's into it and who's not, but Joe Hamby almost   definitely likes it. We've had him on a few times. He's been on all the shows.  

Steven Alonso   came on our show. That was his first appearance live because he was like, and then he was like, ah, fuck it. I'll do it. And he broke the ice. And Uh-huh. And Psychedelic is from TikTok. He's good friends with Vika.  

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Okay. So You know, it it's not that I wanna spend the whole fucking,   episode about flat earth as you know, but I think it's still   we do not know. And even if we know what's the fucking difference. Right? Okay. So so we we debunk or don't debunk the the whole situation.   The thing is it's attached to a lot of other things that we've been   talking about and been fooled about for all our lives.   The other thing is, of course, if you see   well, if you take in a helicopter view about all these things that we talk about, let let's say, for example, flat earth. So one said it's a ball spinning into space, and the other one says it's a stationary flat plane. Okay. Okay. What if it's both   not?  

So there is another   model, but when you're gonna say that's the model,   like, it's a fucking donut.   Nobody's gonna believe it as one side just says it's a ball, the other side sets it flat, and you say, okay, whatever.   If you don't wanna wanna hear the truth,   fine.   What about that?   Because the Nazis did that in the early days with marketing also. They did the and and the Americans also, it's marketing.   Right? You you wanna you wanna sell this product?   Don't say what it is, but but let the people think what it is.  

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Yeah. Right.   Marketing and,   and and more subliminal   messaging.   Subliminal. That was the word I was that that's a crazy   crazy ass word,   subliminal.   Yeah. The propaganda.   You know?   There's some very people don't like when I say it. You know, sometimes people like, oh, they're not. Like, some really freaking smart, brilliant people   wrote this script.   You got I handed to them, man.   That that they know what they were doing.  

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And there are some great characters playing the fucking actors of all these motherfuckers. Right?   Can can you imagine that within now and a few whatever   that people are lined up like Elon Musk has been played by,   Biden has been played by you know, it's it's too obvious that it's a fucking scam. It's it's too obvious also about the moon landing. It's too   everyone   with the normal   farmer   mindset   can see it's fucking fake.   But maybe they do it   to show you, like, it's all fake humans.   Look away. Work on yourself. Let let all the drama and let all the stupid stupidity   fade away and and do real good stuff.  

Maybe it's it's   therefore.  

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Right?   That's good, bro.   Because,   you know, when I first came in,   I I really thought,   oh, all I gotta do is tell people at water's level. Explain that to them.   It's for this is simple. Right. And here I am, like, how many years later? I'm like, oh. Oh, shit. They're they're not falling for the water trick.  

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Right?  

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Water's flat, man. There's nothing in the world that's gonna physically make the surface of water curve.   Yep. Resting water.   You know, just   be click as clear as I can be. Resting water is flat and level   over all   lengths   and surfaces. You know?   Distances, lengths, whatever you wanna say.  

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There's much evidence.   That we're living on a flat plane.   We don't know what the shape it is, and and we don't know how big it is.  

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We don't know how much No. But but sometimes  

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I also think to myself, like,   why do I wanna know? You know? In in mean   in the meantime,   I have a life or I call it a life. Right? And I wanna do it as as as   as beautiful and positive as possible, and it's not working always right. You know, sometimes I really have a shitty day.   For example, today is for a lot of people, New Year's Eve. Okay?   I I don't care about that either.   But yesterday and the day before, I was driving 1,000 kilometers, so it's, like, 800 miles   to,   to a tip of France   with the van. And yesterday, I drove back.   So I was exhaust.  

Dude, I was exhaust. I don't take a break. I only take a break for pissing on the gasoline.  

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Oh, well, how many hours is that?  

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So,   the first day was, like, 1,000 kilometers,   which took me 11 hours.  

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11. Okay.  

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And,   the the the trip back was a little bit longer. It was, 1100   kilometers.   It took me 14 hours.   So, normally, if I feel that I'm   that I'm not,   fit enough, then I'm gonna start to get,   sleepy or whatever. Gonna turn the car into a parking lot   or parking space,   and then I'm gonna   put my timer on 33 minutes.   So in this 3 minutes, I meditate and I fall asleep.   And within that hour within that half an hour, 3, 6, 9,   30 minutes or 3 hours is for me the perfect sleep or 6 hours or 60 minutes.  

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3 hours is good for you? Yeah.   For every once a day?  

[01:44:42] Unknown:

Well, not for every single day, but for for normally to get going, yeah.   30 minutes would be enough on a day.  

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3 or 4 hours is pretty good unless,   you know, I can't do it every day either. But No. No. If I gotta get up in 3 hours, I'll be okay.  

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And I swear to God, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the brand right now here because I got my second.   This is gonna help me.   Like,   oh, shit.   So,   Aloevia.  

[01:45:16] Unknown:

Okay. Oh, you were talking to Eric about that.  

[01:45:20] Unknown:

Yeah. Dude,   Okay.   Yes. There it is.   So I take the immune.   It's acemenon, which is,   patented. So it's a it's a, it's a product from Aloevia that they subtract these molecules.   And,   basically, they found this,   in Aloevia   and in breast milk.   And the thing is it regenerates   your cells.   And it gives you, for me, I feel it. This is now,   day 61,   because it was one day without these because I ordered them because they they were empty. And I had to wait one day because of all the holidays and stuff like that.   Today, I got the, the new,   things, so I popped 2 of them every morning.  

Skunkle Phil,   which maybe you know,   Phil Gaynor,   I had him twice on my show.   This guy was doing swiss   Skunkle Phil.   Oh, wow. Okay. That does sound familiar. Yes. He he is working together, and he's a friend of,   King Bao,   and he was on crystal meth and stuff like that. Junkie for life, almost dead.   And King Bao said, give me 90 days of your life, and I will change it. And he can do more push ups   than me now.   He's I think he's more than 9, yeah. He's he's 100% more than 90 days on it. A lot of people have a lot of, health benefits that I can't pronounce because, otherwise, you're gonna be banned and scammed even if I'm on a on sensitive platform.   Not nothing good for us, bro. Not I'm talking about anything good for us. So exactly. So but but I popped these 2 of them, and I really   I wanna know, what's happening to me for the upcoming 30 days, because then I'm 90 days into the program with only with the immune. And I feel it. So yesterday, I was exhausted. I didn't eat well, I did eat a little bit like a cucumber   and some, hummus. Well, it's which is a paprika with, yeah, hummus. Yeah. Yeah. And just and some nuts, a little bit of water. That's I'm fine. You know, I can drive.  



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Awesome.  

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But be also because of this. It gives me an a a good, you know,   a good,   stamina.  

[01:47:47] Unknown:

Well, I'd like to check that out, man. I have to send me the link for that.  

[01:47:50] Unknown:

Yeah. I will put the,   I'll put my,   what's it called? I put it on my I   see, now I'm stumbling because my first can of beer. I put it in the links,   and it showed us I put my link in the show description. Here we go.   And there's a link to my LOEVEA page also where you can order.   If it's impossible to order by me, please order on one of the guys. So that could be,   Sue Gaynor   on, for Allevia for for America.   They they got a lot of products, and,   for me, it really helps, to be  

[01:48:37] Unknown:

honest. I would like to check it out. I'm I'm not healthy, bro.   I I could be so much more healthy. I smoke smoke with cigarettes. I I don't eat that great.   Is that is that a beer?   Yeah. Oh, that's the one with the ranch. Yes. That's cool.  

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So this is called,   Rembloc.   Don't advertise, Rob. Well, fuck that. If if they're gonna sponsor me, I will be a very happy person.   You hear that?   I say,   Rem Rembloc is,   breaking,   breaking pad.   Translated.   So and it's a buck beer. So,   it's a stronger beer than, normally, because we're now entering winter and stuff like that. So it's a different way to brew the beer. It's oh, I wish I could show you how dark it this is like, almost like  

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oil. Really? Yes.   There was a beer that some of my friends used to drink. I forgot the name of it, but I didn't like it too much.   Or that some of that stout beer from the from the tout from the, the the the tap at a bar. Uh-huh. Was it Guinness, I think? Guinness. Oh, yeah. For sure. Dark, right, with the little Yes. Cream on top. And I never liked that stuff, man.  

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The the thing is you you,   you need to drink a little bit more   to you to get into it. But the Oh, yeah. I never ever drank beers like this because they are quite expensive compared to normal beer.   But,   a friend of mine who is on his motorcycle   from   Zealand in the Netherlands, which is a town,   to New Zealand,   he's stuck now in Iran for a couple of, Strongs, but he, likes it because of the cheap prices. And there is there is some beer in the Muslim country. Shout out to Doris.   He introduced me with this kind of beer, but it's really expensive. Some some of them are really expensive. Like, one can could cost you $25.   That's a fuck. That yes. Some of them are really expensive.  

But   they have, like, dessert there's dessert in a can, like ice cream   with chocolate and caramel. And you think, like, what? And they pour it in. And then you drink it, and you have ice cream and caramel. Yeah.   Dude like   dangerous, sir. Dude are   when they come together, these guys they are with 3 guys,   and they, spend a lot of money on their drinks. And, once in a while, when I'm there, they ask me, like, you want a glass too? Because they have these little glasses, you know, to   to share the beer.  

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Dollars. $10   is a share. Okay. No.  

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I'm just company. Okay?   Yes.   Wow.   Yeah. So so if somebody says, I do not like beer. Just like, oh, dude. Wait a minute.   You know how many   how many source of beer you got?   Like, wine. Like, cheese. Yeah.  

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There there was a store in my neighborhood in Brooklyn in Bay Ridge   where   in the window   and in the store,   the window was filled with 99 different beers.   All different beers. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. And   I was I wasn't really too adventurous. So I was like, I ain't spending my money, like, not liking it. I know what I like.  

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Isn't that like the song from Gangrene? 99   bottles.   Right? I see you.   Sure.  

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99. Green. Oh, I like that.  

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Yeah.   I rather drink than fuck.  

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Oh my god. I got black You got the beer.  

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You got the line. No. What what?   You got to excuse me a line. Can't can't talk about it.   Oh.   Damn.   Now I fucked up the song just by   pronouncing the lyrics wrong. I know. For all the people that are just listening at home.   Gangrene alcohol. I know this song is called alcohol for fucking sure, but there's also little bit of buzz on the wall. Gangrene alcohol.  

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Gangrene. I gotta look that up. I'm gonna write that down. No Internet?   What the  

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personal hospital   oh my god.   Emergency?   What the   are you still dad, doc?  

[01:53:32] Unknown:

Yeah. What's up?  

[01:53:34] Unknown:

You good? What's going on? Oh, wait. Of course. I'm on the wrong phone. I got 2 phones. Yeah. I was thinking, why did would you what the hell happened? Oh,   okay. Okay. Okay.   Alcohol.   You're gonna love that song, dude.  

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I I might know it. I haven't heard gangrene in ages. It's, man. It's like one of those bands I forgot.  

[01:53:57] Unknown:

Are they from New York?   I don't know. Maybe LA.   It could be Florida. I really don't know. We're gonna die when the sun comes up. We'll drink until we drop. My blood is 100   proof.   We're gonna stumble, twist, and crawl. 99 bottles of beer on the wall.   I rather drink than fuck.   This is so funny.   Can't live without it.   No doubt about it. I can't live without it. Alcohol.   Alcohol.   Hey, guys.   It's my destiny.   And then you, of course. I know the school.   You've   got the time.   You've got the coke. Give me a   line. No doubt about it. Oh, fuck. You you hear that song for fucking sure, man. Let me see if I could put it up on YouTube if it's gonna work.  

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Sure.   Well, I'm pretty sure I know that song, man. Because I haven't heard it in 20 years, 30 years.  

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I don't know if you if you hear it, though.   Now   it's a good one because everyone is probably drinking right now.  

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I might even drink tonight, Rob.   Why?   Yeah. It's just because. Yeah. Why not?   You know, I I stopped drinking New Year's Eve 1999. Right?  

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You did.  

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Yeah. I don't I don't drink no more, man.   I have a few times. I can't say I completely stopped.   Bro. Around   they've been 2 or 3 times near Thanksgiving.   Around Thanksgiving Right. I get, like, a bottle of Baileys   Right. And I drink that.   No beer,   maybe champagne once or twice. Yeah. But but occasionally.   Very seldom. Not often much at all, man. Right.  

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So so I was sober for more than,   3 months.  

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My ice broke.  

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And,   so it all has to do but it's it's my perspective. Right?   It it it all has to do, like,   can you get a grip on your own? So so can you   say to yourself, oh, I don't need that. I you know? So I could I could do this, like,   sober or whatever the fuck they're gonna call it.   But I just want to have some beers.   For a lot of people, it's New Year's Eve. I don't celebrate it, but I thought, like, oh, why not? I was working hard the other days, and, I saw these beers and thought,   why not? So it's not like I crave for them or I need them.   Mhmm. But it's not like I'm gonna drink every single   strong or every month. You know? If the   in,   the in,   intention no.  

What's it called?   I don't know what the word is. Let me see if I can,   so this is 9085.   So   I don't know if you hear it.   You hear it?  

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No.  

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No? Okay. No.   Okay. Just hold on. You're gonna love this.   You're gonna love this, baby. Okay. Wait. Why do   okay.   Let's do it again.   Fuck.   Gangrene   alcohol. Okay.   And now I gotta share screen with the,   share screen   with the audio.   Share   screen   sound.   Okay. Share.  

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There we go. Something's changing.   Right. I started screen sharing.  

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Yep.   Yeah.   And an eyeball to beat to the wall.   Round the drink, Ted, fuck.   Give me a line.   You got a Coke, give me a lie.   Fuck yeah.   That's it.  

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That was pretty cool, man. What a rush.   That was 1985?  

[02:00:17] Unknown:

199085.  

[02:00:20] Unknown:

Wow.   I had a friend that was into that band. I I remember that song.   My friend my friend, Chris, that lives in Norway. He was a still plays punk.   Yeah.  

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Dude Yeah. What happened to punk anyways? I mean  

[02:00:37] Unknown:

It stayed on the ground, man, and they didn't want this stuff out. Good.   That was you know, that's I I like the drums in that song, man. They're playing along a little bit with it.  

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I like the guitar. It's it's like, you know,  

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Not not real typical punk. It had a lot of punk aspects, but it was,   a little more,   I don't know, heavy or, maybe metal in there. The drums were different. Yes. His drums are different from punk that I remember most of it.  

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But I think, you know, if if I I always like when I go to Berlin.   I went several occasions,   several years,   on the spot to punk and disorderly.   And that was in a very, very,   let's say,   bad part or or   whatever part of,   of Berlin.   So you got the and   that that connects   the west with the east of Germany back in the days. Right? Okay.   So,   and it's it's basically in the east. And there is the raw, the and that was where all the,   the trains were at East Berlin.   And,   some people bought the that piece of, property, and they, they said, okay. We're gonna leave it as it is.   We gotta provide it for for,   wow, for yeah. For artists. So there's a lot of   really cool   fucking ass graffiti, all that kind of artwork,   and a lot of people performing and stuff like that. There are a lot of clubs.  

And there's 1, one club that provides, like, punk and disorderly,   which there are a lot of bands from all over the world,   exploited   UK subs,   all that kind of shit. You know? Old stuff, new stuff, sticky little fingers,   really   England rock and roll, but also European.   Of course, New York.  

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You remember Rancid?   Yeah. Sure.   Yeah. My friends did a song with them.   Oh, cool.   Yeah. My friends are lords of Brooklyn,   and and they did, like, a rap rock crossover.   Uh-huh. And and they they did a song.   Can't think of the name of the photos. One of my favorites by that man. Well, it's a Brooklyn did pretty well. That guy's got a museum now in Brooklyn.   He's got all kinds of memorabilia in there.   He's got, the the pizzeria sign from that was in the when John Travolta went in the in the pizzeria and,   Saturday Night Fever   Right. Got the fucking sign from the pizza. They closed down, like, 2 years ago, and he jumped right in. He's like, yo, what are you doing with that sign?  

And he ended up getting it.  

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Fucking Wow. That's the craziest part too, man.   What's that? That's a crazy story too.   I got a box of pizza just like like you mentioned pizza. I just had this this little   this mind war for whatever they're gonna call it. I was at a Guns N' Roses concert,   a packed stadium in Nijmegen.   I   think 30,   40000 people were in. I was on the front row,   and we were waiting quite a long time to get, the band   to see the band. Right?   So when he started the, the acoustic version of Patience and all that stuff,   they,   they were gathering around with the acoustic guitars,   with some some nice lamp and stuff like that. You know, like a cozy,   ambiance?  

Yeah. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you hear ding dong, and then a pizza   delivery guy came in with 4 or 5 pizzas.   And then,   Axel said, like, yeah, give that to the people here in the front row. And and we're,   it's just like that, but I had a piece of the box. I still have to piece the box   with the Pembroke.   Yeah. With all that stuff. Yeah. Still got it. It's   ah, that's good.   Yeah.   Just like I said, man, if I if I was not into that band, probably I could, you know,   buy a house   when I had a decent,   appropriate,   yeah. When I was, you know, 20, 25 years old, I could I could probably   buy a house, but I, spent it all on my   little snippets of,   whatever the fuck they they told about Guns and Roses, man. Going to concerts, stuff like that.  

Wow. What's the what's the best concert you ever saw? One of them.  

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Oh, man. Probably, I've been to 100 of shows, man.   I don't know.   I used to have   stacks   and stacks of concert tickets stubs.   Fucking I've I've probably been to over 200 shows.   Wow.   Yeah.   Yeah. We just go to every show we could in Brooklyn. Go right over to Manhattan. Anyone in other places, ton little places, big places, the garden,   the rock and roll church,   the limelight.   I wish I could get into the limelight now, man. I used to know people that worked in these places.  

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You can't get in now?   Not not anymore?   You can't get in?  

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Not anymore.   I mean but I have a good knack for getting into places I'm not supposed to be.   I'm really pretty good at it, man. Hey. Check this out. You you ever heard of Faster Pussycat?   Yeah.   I saw them at Lemoore's once. Right? And the show's over. It was I I love that band.   So the show's over,   and and we're like, we we it was right around the Guns N' Roses time. So we were like, like, oh, fuck it. Let's just go, man. You know, we know people around here. We thought we were cool. Right? And the bounce is like, where you going?   I I knew some of the guys who worked there, but I didn't know this guy and dropping a name didn't help me.  

So,   we get kicked out of the back door because it was like the back door was really the side door. It was no back door. The front door was here. The back the side door was over here, and that's where all the action was.   So   so we get kicked out,   and then, we're standing there. We're like, fuck, man. Hold it back there. You know? The party's right there. You can almost see it.   And,   so we see a guy with a camera around his neck, and he's got passes. The guy's like, had and we fought we were, like,   3 steps behind him, and my buddy goes, I'm with him. And he's like, go ahead. And I'm like, well, I'm with him. He's like he looks at me. He fucking rolls his eyes. He's like, go ahead.   We we got backstage from faster pussycat.  

That was fun. They were they were a bunch of cool guys too, man. They were they were pretty cool. Got to talk to them. You know?  

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I I love to be around with the natural pussy. You know that guys?  

[02:07:57] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, you got that Natural pussy? Natural pussy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Well, Roy does No worries.   She she's she's she's a she she   really loves to play guitar. And she's she actually has Dutch roots.   And I,   once I I got a tape from from a friend of mine, like, oh, you probably gonna like this, this kind of shit. So he he dropped that, that first album that he had, Let Them Eat Pussy.   And just, like,   I love this one. Right? With Corey Parks, she was playing big guitar back in the days,   and a on guitar. And,   Blaine, he was a £9 hammer also or still is. He was a singer of the band like real Texas ass.   Dirty   dirty rock and roll. That dude, that's me, man. I love that kind of shit. Fast, dirty I can listen to that too now because I know that band, but I couldn't name a song. Right. But definitely with dirty Personally, the albums are really kicking ass. You know? It's it's not like commercialized, but the first two two two albums are are really kicking ass. So,   I said, I'm gonna check them out. And then they had, 3 shows here in the Netherlands,   in Amsterdam, in Tilburg, and I think in Zaandam.  

So went to Amsterdam to a coffee shop. I went the day after it in Zaandam.   Both of them, I I I checked them out.   But then   in the,   like like the after party, I was smoking some weed,   my own weed together with Blaine gave him some, and all of a sudden, the whole band was gone.   And I was stuck a little bit backstage, but it sounds a little bit strange like stuck. But I was stuck in that place too. I had no place to go, no place to sleep. So I snagged into one of these   concert halls, right, which was a really nice little venue. And I saw the part. It's yeah. So I thought, I'm gonna sleep behind the bar. So I did that. So I dropped down, slept behind the bar, but I left my shoes on.   But because I was walking the whole day, I was doing the fucking concert, drinking, of course, too much alcohol.  

My feet swell up.   So the other day when I woke up, I just bursted on the, the fire exit. It's just like, bam, on streets. You know?   The sun hit in my eyes like Oh my god. Yeah.   I head back to Amsterdam, and then I felt like, damn, I got some real   blisters on my feet.   There was no place to check them out. Right? So I was walking down in Amsterdam, knocking on some doors, and then some some people didn't know, can you can I please check my feet? All of a sudden, I got to check my feet, and they were like,   holy shit.  

I had blisses all over them.   So  

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Anything for rock and roll,  

[02:10:51] Unknown:

Oh, damn. But   the story came when I drove drove back with the train to Tillbrook where they had the last show.   You know, we met them this, hey. There you are again. You know? Yeah. Cool. And I said, you know where I slept? I slept backstage. Wow. Fucking story. I said, and and and I can barely walk. What is that? So I told the story.   And,   I know that   a year later or so,   they were also playing in I think it was in, Den Bos.   So I came on the venue.   I checked them out. I saw the tour manager. Hey. Hi. You know, stuff like that. And he said,   you know, grab a beer with them with them. I said, oh, so went backstage, but it was a security guy who said, oh, you can't.  

So, but I know the band. He invited me over.   No. No. No. No. Everybody says that. All of a sudden, the door opens, and at that time, the the bass guitar   wrist, the player was not Corey Parks, but, I think her name was Katie.   She opened the door together with Roy.   Bob, how you doing?   But look at the security guy like, I told you. You know? So I went to the next stage.   And,   what's what they played in Amsterdam, it was a a monsters of rock or something like that, but very small rock and roll,   in Paradiso, which is actually in church.   The tour manager oh, by the way, 2222.  

Look never look at my phone, but now it's 222,   whatever. Now I'm gone. Cool. Completely gone. See this.  

[02:12:30] Unknown:

Nice.  

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Nice. So,   the tour manager   saw me in the,   at the bar. He said,   you know, this and this guy, I think it was Alan. Said, sure.   Can you please tell the band that, the equipment is   you know, leather jacket,   national pussy shirt on.   I rang the bell. I looked up in the camera just like,   hey, man.   I'm from the band, so please let me in. I was thinking up to myself. And I was   I opened up the door like,   I'm in the Walla   of all the bench, you know, the place I walk down there, so there's catacombs.   You know? So really, really   then I came across with some people from Peter Pan's Speed Rock, which I already knew.  

And, hey, you don't have a beer? No.   Get one. Okay.   I think Nice. Funny starts.   That's cool.  

[02:13:45] Unknown:

That is cool, man.   Yeah. Rock and roll's fun, bro. That's why I feel that the economy that weird.   Yeah. I don't know what to think about that music anymore. Is it you know? So I do want it sometimes.   You know? I used to love it in the car.   Now I'm like, I don't sometimes.   Once in a while. Yeah.  

[02:14:09] Unknown:

You know? Whatever. Are we getting old?   Is is it the new You know?  

[02:14:14] Unknown:

You know, and I'm stuck with the same   400 songs too.  

[02:14:21] Unknown:

Hey, man. Fucking great 400 songs, g.   Four hundred great songs. That's the difference.  

[02:14:29] Unknown:

Bro, I wanna throw a shout out to Eric Finis, man. He did a fantastic job on your background, bro. I love it.   He's such a great guy, Eric.   Super cool, bro. I really do. I like it a lot, man. And it reminds me the old style,   movies,   you know, like cloudy in the background and fucking   mysterious.   You know? I love it. I really do. I think it's awesome. With the moon, bro, it's beautiful.   Good job, Finnis.   Yeah. Oh, look at that.   Oh, look at that. Nice, man.   Like a squirrel skipping branches, bro.  

[02:15:10] Unknown:

Dude. Yeah.   And he told he told it that he he made that picture of the moon himself. Oh, shit.   That's so weird. Now as now I feel like a weatherman on news. You know?   Today is gonna be very cloudy and sunny here over here in New York.  

[02:15:26] Unknown:

It's really straight. Water the waxing moon tonight.  

[02:15:29] Unknown:

Right. Right.   So, Jean, what are you,   do you have some new guests that you're gonna be very excited of that are, going to visit,   or that you're gonna have a conversation with on, helios,   psychosis?  

[02:15:45] Unknown:

You know what? A matter of fact, we do not have too much   in the near future right now or in the system future.   We could   wanted to leave,   a bunch of space open for holidays.   Uh-huh.   And as well as to leave space open for current events like you brought up before with the final experiment,   which, I thought was awesome because we've been having some really super great conversations   the past   2, 3 weeks about it.   You know, we've had Johan and   and Lauren and,   Steven Alonso and Psychedelic   on   telling people how   they they they have models   that that do show how a 24 hour sun can work in Antarctica.  

So they're gaining momentum.   They're fine tuning their models.   Steve Alonzo has a,   an app.   He's working with David Wise. David Wise has been on the show over and over.   That's that's funny. He's a good dude. David Wise is a good dude. And he's really getting fucking super hammered right now because   he's pointing out things. Everybody's   saying, oh, look. There's this. There's that. There's this. And he's showing how   a lot of these truth to people are just jumping on bandwagons that are wrong.   And it's like, woah. My attitude is, yo, these guys barely got out of the plane and unpacked.   Does anybody wish them a Merry Christmas   to see how their Christmas went?  

Right. You know? They're just beating the shit out of these 2 fucking guys, man.   It's fake. It's fake. They sold out. It's this. It's I'm like, I ain't jumping on that bandwagon. I don't wanna be first. Everybody wants to be first with the news, Rob. Oh, I said it first. You know? And I'm like, I said it last.   I'm not going with it. They they can I don't  

[02:17:45] Unknown:

They can say whatever the fuck they want? I had I have William and   I,   already he he was   before he jumped on this organized production, he was on another,   podcast, and they had this crazy model about, everyone has his own son.   Just like, what the fuck are you talking about? And he pointed out, because he's quite a clever guy, He said, you're saying   or you pretend to have a model, but the model has been stolen by this and this, and I can point out because that guy was contacted   to William Duffy to tell him, like, be careful with these guys. And, no. No. We we it's our own model. So that was a little bit of crazy stuff. But then I we had a great conversation to be, actually.   But I gotta go back and listen to that, man. Yeah. It was a yeah. Yeah. Me too. Because we we we touch base on some things, and it's really,   really crazy because he's a minister. He's he's a preacher and stuff like that. So I said to him, why do you   question   the things that you preach in your Bible? Because in the first   two   pages, you see that God said that it's a firmament and stuff like that. So he said, no. No. I don't think so.  

So, and then I said, the only thing you can prove,   is a 24 hour sun, not the shape of the earth. So he was a little bit I don't know. I have to listen back to it. So I said to him, maybe you shouldn't burn all that money, but give disorganized production, like, $25,000   or $50,000   or get me on that fucking plane, and I will do some stuff too. And I will look at but I was probably a little bit too skeptic.   That's awesome, man. I love it. Probably think like, well, that guy is gonna screw up. But the the thing is,   it's really strange that   2   very noticeable   people from Flat Earth are all of a sudden   on camera saying, like, oh, we were wrong, blah, blah, blah. I think   that's a red flag   right away because   I think they had some hard times. And I think that when   when you are in a position that you need something   and someone provides that, but you have to lie for that,   that's a made deal. Right?  

Or if you're not gonna say it, we're gonna throw you in the ocean and no one ever gonna find you. Maybe, maybe a seal or maybe,   you know, like an ice bear. You're gonna see you shark loading away in the fucking.  

[02:20:28] Unknown:

Yeah. You know, I I I did kinda say that   that scenario   reminds me of that that movie,   the godfather.   Right?   When when the guy is like, I got his signature. He's like, how'd you get his signature?   You that's impossible.   He said, well, I I showed him that by the time I left this room, either his signature or his brains were gonna be on that paper.   Right? And it was like, oh, man. Could it be? I don't know. I'm not saying I think it is.   I I can't I can't completely rule it out, though. I don't know. I gotta wait a while, bro. Dude, do you do? I really feel comfortable with,   deciding how I feel about it. I don't know what I think right now. I I just don't. No. But I do know that,   those 3 guys are coming up with some really good,   working   physical models Mhmm. That Joe Hamby plans on selling them.  

He's gonna have, kits. You you can either   buy the whole kit or Uh-huh.   Something. You know? As I mentioned it to him last week, I was like, Joe, you should have a parts list and sell these things. And that's when he told me. He's like, well, I'm I'm coming up with a kit.  

[02:21:47] Unknown:

Oh my god. I got some news for you, man.   Probably, we we we working on someone   that sounds really strange, Rob, but we're working on a podcast   with someone   that,   proofs,   really prove,   that probably both models are completely wrong.   What about that?  

[02:22:13] Unknown:

I'd like to see what the alternative is.  

[02:22:15] Unknown:

Yes. Me too. That's why I wanna get him on my podcast.   And you know that I'm the one that, you know, I'm   I'm, I'm open to everything. I like to question some things, and I like answers.   And,   hopefully,   just hopefully,   Cindy is gonna be part of your show   and not participate only in the chat, but, you know, get some answers to her questions that she has because I think that she could eventually,   could lift up the feel of of   well, that could be possible or that's impossible   to say about the final   dude, only the name,   it's, like, almost like the last show from Guns and Roses, like, a once in a lifetime, but they performed it for 3 or 4 times now.  

Right?   That's a scam right away. Once in a lifetime. Oh, damn. I'm gonna see my my heroes again after 25 years. I'll pay a high high price ticket.   Go to there, and then the year after, they're gonna perform the same show. So what the fuck do you mean with one of us in life? Still love them. Axel, if you wanna be on the show, fuck yeah.   Slash, Duff, Izzy,   Matt,   Steven Attler. Yeah. Come on. Give it all to me, man, dude. But you know what I'm trying to say here?   If you're gonna say,   this is the final experiment.   It's something like, okay, this is the last time that you can,   answer some questions about the Holocaust.  

But after that, it's finished. You go to jail.  

[02:23:53] Unknown:

It makes fucking sense. Right? No, bro. And you know what? Honestly,   it's been recorded   allegedly, whatever. But if if the way I look at it,   if you're including   now this group of what we call it truthers or flat earthers, this would be the first experiment.  

[02:24:13] Unknown:

Right?  

[02:24:14] Unknown:

Yeah. They gotta do this over and over. You gotta go to different places and do it. You gotta go That's what we're trying to point out. When Cindy has the flight lock,  

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you can point out where they were on earth.   First of all, where were they? Because   they had no permission to fly over in Tarshareff   for sure.  

[02:24:38] Unknown:

They were in a tourist spot. This it's not like they were in some   isolated, desolate, really near the south pole. They were they were well, you can't see here, but they were just right there, man. Yeah. So if there's  

[02:24:51] Unknown:

so point out like   so let's say   it's   Australia,   right?   So if you see Australia   and you do this with the sun, you see a 24 hour sun,   right?   What is gonna light up the rest of the fucking world?  

[02:25:09] Unknown:

You know, this might be a good indication right here. You see you see how that light moves around?  

[02:25:13] Unknown:

Yeah.   Well, if it's 24 hour,   then it lights up the whole fucking earth. Right?  

[02:25:22] Unknown:

Well, it's it's how light bends in a glass.  

[02:25:27] Unknown:

I saw that on the light. That's true. I saw that when Sydney is making these questions   and I saw this guy showing that.  

[02:25:37] Unknown:

That was probably Joe Hanvey.  

[02:25:39] Unknown:

Right.   Right.  

[02:25:41] Unknown:

It's called you could you could look up what it's called the coffee cup caustic,   c a u s t.   Yep. C a u s t I c, caustic.   Right? And it's just the effects of light coming in here and showing up over here.   It's kind of So simple terms. That's what it does. It's how light works in a in a in a circular   dome situation.  

[02:26:05] Unknown:

So what what will change for you   when we figure out what the shape of the earth is? Let's say we can really we we really have 100%   proof   that is gonna be whatever fuck. You know? But but let's say that we knew.   What will change?  

[02:26:24] Unknown:

For me personally? Yeah.   Not too sure. It depends on, like, the ramifications   of finding out.   You know? Like, if if the   my goal   or or how I like to think of what we're doing here is,   you know,   the ripple effect, bro, the the 100 monkeys,   that that hive mentality   that,   if that that if we're all thinking the same thing, we're gonna see it. It's gonna   project into reality.   Right. So that's that's what I would hope. I don't care what the shape is. I but I wanna know.   Best I could figure out is it   seems pretty flat, man. Rolled   descriptions,   they give us of the curve.  

I can't find any. I see no reason to believe in a ball flying around. That's another thing, bro. The the star patterns never changing   has bothered me since  

[02:27:26] Unknown:

I've been looking up in the sky. Before I knew there was a flat earth conspiracy or whatever, they're gonna go to, like,   how?  

[02:27:34] Unknown:

Long before I   thought of flat earth. I'm like, how are the stars moving? We're moving,   and they never change. Right? It's a problem. I've I've never   understood that. You know, as a boy scout using a compass navigating stars,   I'm like,   the fuck, man? How's this move? It just it didn't work.   And that something was there   jamming it for me, you know, that that, I guess, instinct or   that, you know,   I guess it's just an instinct.   Maybe from that time when I said, if I wanna go back to my house there,   it'll be in the same place.   And then they throw me on a ball, and I was like,   that's wrong. Is this how is but they but they're the teachers. Trust them. I was like, alright. I was I was I was a big space fan, bro. I used to told me. Yeah. Yeah. I used to come from monkeys. I used to live on a on a on a big gravity water ball   chasing a a nuclear gravity furnace.  

Oh, I loved it all, man.   You know?   But   I always did think that,   alright. So we're out here in this universe.   We can't even see it to the end of it. That was God putting a a bunch of dust on it. God swiped some dust off his desk and blew it out, and that created the universe.   And when he put people here, he's like, well, now go figure out what I did. Come back and tell me the story of what you think I did.   That was my simple   explanation   for it. You know? I was like, I don't care what they say. God did it.  

[02:29:17] Unknown:

So let's let's say we we figure it out.   What could be the next thing that you really want to   know the truth about?   Like, what conspiracy would then, if if   if we can   figure out the shape of the earth. What what would be the next one that you think, like, okay. This is gonna change my fucking view   or   my life.  

[02:29:41] Unknown:

I wanna I want I want our communication   back. I want, communication with the plants and animals back.   I really do.   That would   that's a whole fucking another subject, man. I I think the plants and the animals have spirits attached to them,   and you never convince me of otherwise. So we're spiritually connected.   The plants and animals are. The water water is not from God. The water, like, is God, bro.   The air is not from God. It is God, literally. Yeah. You know?   I want I want our   I want   back, man. I wanna get in a fucking balloon and go see you.   Right. You know, I think I said this last time. I'll take, like, 2 apples and I'll take a week.  

You know? And Right. Because we don't need to eat eat so much. I wanna revert back to the peaceful,   loving community that this world was meant to be, bro.   And now I'm feeling a reset   and before the reset.   Yeah, man, man. Without these clowns that   Yeah. Did something, bro. You know the Catholic organization   spends a lot of money and time with in I think it's, Nevada, Colorado   with a telescope named Lucifer. Right? Uh-huh.   Uh-huh. They rent they don't own it. They rent time from there.   Special time cost more money.   Yeah. Fucking Tuesdays in the middle of nowhere, it cost less money. You know?  

My question is, they say that the Bible even says   the stars   are for seasons   as symbols. Right? And maybe 1 or 2 other things. Seasons, signs,   symbols.   So the I think that these people know   nothing nothing shifts. The big dipper don't move around. It's always the big dipper. It's never like the little spoon back to big dipper, little nothing.   Right? Mhmm.   They're looking for something that's gonna move,   and it's gonna give them a sign.   Right. And they're gonna know better than us that something's gonna happen.  

[02:31:52] Unknown:

That's why they open up 5 portals   just like 2 days or 3 days ago.  

[02:31:58] Unknown:

That looks so fucking Hollywood, bro.   They opened it doors and then there's there's the there's the pope in a wheelchair. The car is all the way already in. I haven't seen it yet, but I,  

[02:32:10] Unknown:

do. So so that that's that's why I'm trying to say here that they they wrote a script,   which has been, they say thousands of years old.   They make it all worth together right now.   And what if we figure it out and we take the real helicopter view? Like, okay.   So like, like people say about the the elections, you know, it's the same bird with a different wing, you know, it's it's   yeah. But if you see that,   you see this old fake, you see that the pope,   whoever's gonna play it like this old man, you know, he's open up the doors and stuff like that. Okay. It's been pointed out, oh, the 7 seals of the 5 seals, the devil, whatever whatever the fuck you're gonna call it. Right? It's your perception of the truth. It's your plausible truth.   But   they told you that in some books. They told you the screenplay already, and now they're gonna show it.  

So they got and you are in fear because, oh, what's happening now with the world? Because the pope   dude, zoom out like   it's like that. You know? It's like this. I saw it. I saw it. I got you.   Enjoy the show, Rob. That's how I look at this stuff. Take your beer, tell them the fuck off, and that's it. Right?  

[02:33:30] Unknown:

You know,   I don't know what they're up to really, bro.   I I do like thinking about it. I'm not afraid of them. Mhmm. They can't do shit to me, man. I got a god backs me. Nothing gets to me   without my spirits.   Okay.   Without my spirits approval. Nothing.  

[02:33:51] Unknown:

So that means I can handle anything. I don't I'm not asking for more. No. No. No. I know what you no. But yep. I know what you're   saying, man.  

[02:34:01] Unknown:

But I'm willing to accept what I got coming.   Right. I can't change it. I I I accept it. Right.   You know? That's all there is to it. That spirit told me also, Rob,   the night my mom died, this came to me a couple minutes back that   you told me my life's gonna be hard until towards the end.   Be good.   And when you're done there, you come here.   We all do.   And that tells me I have a mission. I'm doing something here. I don't fucking know what,   but I think this is it. Now this I never felt so   passionate, devoted, and dedicated,   and good   about   trying to talk about something in the world we live in.  

Love, like, I'd be standing on line of, you know, 10 people ahead of me, 5 people behind me. I'll be talking as many people as I could about what NASA was doing. Right. You guys into outer space, easy conversation, man. A lot of people, I like the moon. I like this.   Well, I could talk about almost any of that stuff. I love this world, man. I I'm a physical being right now.   And this is what we got, bro. This is I'm not here to be fucking miserable, and I'm not.   Right? I don't I don't believe that. You know? We're here to   grow and let you know, this this whole, like, you know, whatever you live here   is like a day in the soul,   a day in the life of your soul.  

And it pages and pages, and the soul don't live for 80 years. Your soul lives forever, bro. And this is just a tiny little   fraction of a fraction of it, bro. Right.  

[02:35:47] Unknown:

I love the analogy, man. I love that. Thank you, bro.  

[02:35:51] Unknown:

You know, I wanna experience what it's like to be a tree   and stare in it for 80 years and, you know, sway in the wind and not really move much. You know, I wonder if if the plants are actually more spiritually   evolved than we are. I don't think  

[02:36:08] Unknown:

they I think they are.   Especially if you go,   if you go to,   well, for example, I I was in Peru with the indigenous people, with the Incas.   Oh, man. And this,   old lady, 65 years old, is, studying plant medicine for more than 45 years.   And that's not one plant, of course.   But every plant and I had a a great conversation also with, Brandon Angel. Check it out.   He did 60 plants,   and he studied them in 6 years when he was,   in the jungle all by himself.   Every plant has a purpose.   Every plant has a has has some kind of stuff   in it to help   you. So all the pharmaceutical   stuff that we put in our bodies that have been prescription by doctors or whatever,   they are basically, first of all,   from Indians or indigenous people, like, okay. You we take this plant, and then   pharmaceutical   figure out what the components are, chemicals, and they make pills out of that. And then So  

[02:37:22] Unknown:

all petroleum based, bro.  

[02:37:24] Unknown:

Yes. Because Rockefeller needs some money, and he needs some more, and he needs some more. And everything is petroleum.  

[02:37:31] Unknown:

Everything.   It's crazy, Merrick. Crazy.  

[02:37:36] Unknown:

But, you know,   I think that, if you use psychedelics   as I do sometimes   and you,   are willing to work in nature as I should do more, But I'm I'm very stressful right now because I do not really have a home to stay, but that's,   that's gonna change also.   If you connect to nature, and I told you before, that's for me, that's god. That's the air. That's nature. That's the roots. That's the the ground, all that stuff, you know,   the breath, the everything.   If you do that, the the   the plants are talking to you somehow.   I also thought about when I was touching one of these trees, which is 500   years old   in Peru, that   the root system of these trees may be and probably   connect to trees   here in the Netherlands.  

So when I touch them with my energy,   they gonna give you that signal. Yes, exactly. It's gonna expand throughout the world. Like, hey, this is Rob.  

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Well,   the Netherlands is saying to Sweden,   Rob's in Peru. Holy shit. Tripping.  

[02:38:53] Unknown:

Dude, the mycelium is the oldest organism   found in the world, and,   oh, so vast and so   so big.   Uh-huh. When you walk barefooted   on the forest floor,   the mycelium is opening up   even when the when the when the seasons are coming by to to to pick up fruits and stuff like that to feed itself. What we see mushrooms   are the fruits   of the mycelium.   Dude, it's like an apple tree. There are a few apples on an apple tree, but there's a big tree to to bear them fruits.   Mycelium, when you see these mushroom, dude, that's  

[02:39:40] Unknown:

Wow. Yes.  

[02:39:42] Unknown:

Yes.   Big, big wow.   Dude, we're almost 3 hours in.   What I'm gonna do is I'm yes.  

[02:39:54] Unknown:

Wow, bro.   That's what happens, man. We get on the phone, bro. It's like hours go by, and it's like, what? You kidding?  

[02:40:03] Unknown:

Isn't that strange? They connect with the right people that time flies like. Jesus Christ. Unbelievable.  

[02:40:10] Unknown:

Rob, I had so much fun being here with you, bro. I miss you, man. I hope we get to see each other this year.   You know? If you get to New York, we'll we'll figure out a way to get into a studio.   Fuck yes. Yeah, bro. We'll rent some studio time. We'll make some noise, bro. Oh,  

[02:40:28] Unknown:

dude. I'm in right away. Oh, man. I I think, to be honest with you, the the the bad thing to touch base on and and,   quite a cheap ticket is to New York because it's, you know, New Amsterdam.  

[02:40:42] Unknown:

I'm in very it's not like going to the, you know,   Alabama or something's crazy.  

[02:40:47] Unknown:

Alabama.   You got my weight on your shoulders.   You know, you better talk right now when you're down in Alabama. Right, man?   Yeah. But   I'm 100%   convinced.   As I said last time on a podcast, and and doors open to LA,   that I'm going to be in America again   upcoming year.   I'm gonna do some crazy cool stuff, but I won't let you go   before you're gonna ask me,   gonna answer me 4 questions because I have   10 or 12 questions last time where you were on for all the listeners that are listening. And they wanna know, check the, first episode I did with Jean.   But there are 4 new ones.  

The first one is, what's your   definition   of value?  

[02:41:43] Unknown:

Like, definition   of value?   I think   the that's that's a good one. The definition as opposed to an explanation   of it. You know? It was like,   well, the people in my life are what I value.   You know?   People in my life, bro, is is really what I value.   Their   health   in spirit,   mind, and and physicality   is   is where, like, my thoughts that's how I meditate. And I I I meditate   with   a a a feeling of wellness   throughout the whole world and and my friends, their friends, and and eventually when your friends get to their friends to their friends, that comes back, bro. We're at 6 degrees of separation.   And it's probably only 3 or 4 at this point in the world at this time because the world is kinda shrinking in that way. Uh-huh.  

So,   I   I I would think,   if if that's a definition, it would be the the well-being to to the the fellow humans.  

[02:43:00] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[02:43:01] Unknown:

My brothers and sisters out there who are   we all struggle, bro. We all got those struggles, and I don't like to to think that we are, man, because   I feel like I know this   that there couldn't be a different place here, man. You know, the plants are talking to us.   A lot of people,   even in the community, will laugh at you for that. I had a big flatter that some yeah. Dude, you're crazy. Shut me right off. I'm like, nah, bro. You're wrong. I was like, nope. Are we all Oh, yeah. Well, I'm probably know his name. You probably do. I'm not gonna say it, though. No. Okay.   I'll be like Don't give him energy.  

No. He's a good dude. And I it was a while back, and,   I'll check-in with him on that again. How are you feeling about that anymore? You know? You're still there. Where are you? How come why you feel that way?   Because I wanna know if if I'm wrong. I don't wanna be thinking wrong things either. Right. But I'm not wrong. There's no way that the plants are here creating every medicine we could possibly think of, and they're not spiritually attached.   Isn't I I can't   I I don't that would never that's gonna be a hard one for me to understand.   Everything's from God, bro. This is all you know, like I said,   recently that   I I I kinda think that blood bro, this place was so peaceful   that just a couple of knuckleheads fucked it up for everybody, and it just got bigger and bigger and bigger. You know, you could be having a great time at a at a nice party, and a few things go wrong with a couple of few people and the fucking party's over, bro.  

The party's over, And that's what I think happened here.   Yeah.   Like, in a nutshell kind of thing. And now to sum it up, I think that very few people fucked it up for a lot of other people, man.  

[02:44:52] Unknown:

Gene, what's your definition of success?  

[02:44:56] Unknown:

Success?   This is good, man.  

[02:45:02] Unknown:

Where's the Thanks to Eric Finias again.   Thanks to Eric Finias. All the credits to him, man.   He was listening to my questions, and he said, dude, I I got I got some questions too, and I, integrated them. That's right. That's right.  

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Success   is like   freedom from   worry   and,   concern   of,   you know, like, your friends and your family's well-being being compromised.  

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Mhmm.  

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You know?   I think success   you said. Right? Yeah. Yeah.   Success. I don't know.   I don't know. I don't   I feel 6 I'm successful in ways personally that, like, my kids are good.   I did the best I could with my kids. You know?   That was successful. But the definition   finish. I'm a get you finished and broke up. So   No. Just  

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Right?  

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Success is, I guess, waking up happy and okay with yourself.   You know?   Right. Not not worried about   things coming to haunt me. I'm I'm   I'm over that. Like, I don't like, I used to worry about stuff because of the things I used to do.   I would come to come. They they're fucking coming for me.   It's the paranoid   years for years later.   That that scenery, and I'm like I still like, looking around corners. I'm like, I'm   a little paranoid about   the crazies out there now, not not from what I things I've done.  

[02:46:55] Unknown:

Right. You know? But isn't it funny that   sorry to cut you off. Isn't it funny that, flora and fauna   never ever worry about   what's happening?   They just   have   faith   that God, whoever that is, what it is, the creation, the source,   is gonna provide them another day.   They don't have the worries that we have.  

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It's great, man. They don't. At least that we know. I don't think they worry.  

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Worry is fear.  

[02:47:29] Unknown:

Yeah. I don't like to worry. I don't I know if it's a if I can't   do something about it,   I I Trust it. Trust the process. I yeah, man. God's got the God's in the pilot's seat, bro. And that's I don't   I'm like, you know, it doesn't make me, like, not care about. I got well, you know, whatever it is, it is. It's not exactly like that either. Mhmm. You know, because I wanna be a participant in making this world better because   I, I do think if we had the hive mentality   and more and more people would've understand that   you could be talking to the birds like doctor Doolittle   talking to everything, man, all of these animals. So now you think it is Rob. If   if this is true and they distorted the communication between us and the animals and the bugs,   They did that for a reason because now me and you,   all the all the people on the brighter side of what what we would like to see. Now I could go and say, you know what?  

That's one that I'm over there. He's coming here to room in the party for everybody.   And I could talk to the bees   and have the bees fucking chase him out of town. Right?   And if he ever comes back anywhere within 10 feet or let's say whatever of this party,   the bees are gonna see them. The bees are fucking keeping us these creeps out now.   There's gonna be, you know,   lions and tigers and bears on this guy Right. Because they know we're coming from a good place.   I wouldn't send them out. Well, you know, so now these guys are gonna try and do that to you, and and it wouldn't work because   we understand each other. They know. We know. And it's like, okay.  



[02:49:11] Unknown:

This touch base on and, unfortunately,   the episode was recorded. I was doing a, like, 5 minute talk after I did the episode with Brandon Angel, who spent 6 years in the jungle.   And he said, you know, Rob, the jungle is all red. It's red clay.   And it's really,   it's soaking wet most of the time or dry because the the sun's coming up coming out, and it's a rainforest. So it you know, when it rains, it really rains hard. So he said, one day, I fell asleep.   And it was raining,   and I fell asleep. And a few hours later, I woke up. And   1 or 2 meters away from me,   there were these big paws   of jaguar.  

So the jaguar   saw this guy, Brandon,   lying in the on the forest floor.   It's like,   do I have dinner?   Yeah. Or is it the same spirit as me and I respect it and let it go? Me too. Dude, that makes so much sense. Like, why   do you see that some people approaching a wild animal   with the right intention, and nothing happens? And some wild animals are coming at you?   Yeah. And I'm not talking about when they have cubs or little babies or whatever.   But the intensity   I had a wasp   that came into my   apartment. And we were sitting outside, and there was only one door that that you know? So I sat, and it was on my eye level.   And I sat on a really normal voice,   hey, dude. There's nothing here for you. You're probably gonna fly yourself to death   because we got windows. You know? It's something like that I I I I preach to him. So That's great. Nothing for him. And I saw it just like, okay, okay, okay. And it turned around and it flew away.  



[02:51:15] Unknown:

Dude,   how do you explain stuff like that, bro?  

[02:51:19] Unknown:

I think we just did.   I think we just did, dude.  

[02:51:25] Unknown:

I think we just did. I I I believe that, you know what? That reminds me. I just heard this recently,   and I'm a big fan of I I have on every floor in my house, I have a cup with a little piece of paper.   And when there's a bug, I got that that cup is right there. Uh-huh. Boom. I catch him. I bring him outside. Yes.   Now recently I heard that you catch a spider and let him go,   you can ask him for a favor   in return for letting him go.   If you want a question,   ask the spider.   I'm like, oh, I can't wait to fucking find a spider, man.  

[02:52:03] Unknown:

Dude, in in my old apartment, in my trailer, there were a lot of spiders. I always let them there.  

[02:52:10] Unknown:

Leave them there too, bro. Right? I love we got some big ones, bro. I got some big,   wood Yeah. Wood spiders, I think. They're fucking big, man. We got here my daughter's horrified of them. You just scare a little bit. Do it.   I'll dip I wouldn't pick it up by hand. No. No. Okay.   Fucking they don't build webs. They're hunters. They're a little aggressive. They're they're don't.  

[02:52:32] Unknown:

So when we were in Peru, it's everything is very,   back to basics. Right? And one guy came in and he said, you do. When he opened up the curtain from the shower,   there was a spider as big as my hand coming down and running away.   And they said, oh, yeah. They're they're harmless.   But, you know, oh, dude. I'm I'm such   a not an action hero. Just like, oh, I'm an action hero. And then I scream like a fucking girl, like, ah.   You know? But spiders oh, dude, dude, I love spiders.   But sometimes it it it it, depends on when I see something, you know, when it's all all of a sudden on your hand or stuff like that. You're gonna what the fuck? React to it. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. So that so that black eye is smacking at us from  

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mosquito.  

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Don't you think that the mosquitoes nowadays are more   intense and more like, okay, get it on. If you hit a mosquito, it doesn't die at all, first of all. But then they come right at you. Like, fuck you.   They do just in the early days, did did they had something like, oh, fuck. I'm not I'm off. But nowadays, you're gonna smack them, and they just like   they come at you.  

[02:53:47] Unknown:

I I will kill them to skip you though. Oh. Sorry. I'm not that good yet. It suckers.  

[02:53:55] Unknown:

Dude,   time is running up.   I really enjoyed,   talking to you again. We gotta do this more.   We gotta do this more. Absolutely, bro.   Thank you for your timing, energy, Gene.   We definitely keep counting, especially about your product. I wanna push it.   I have some ideas that,   probably gonna gonna preach in the church, and we're gonna invite you for the church also. I think you're gonna like it.   Awesome.  

[02:54:25] Unknown:

With some brothers that you already know, and we're gonna talk about some real stuff and to help you with the rods. On Sundays, yes. Bro, I forgot this Sunday. I was supposed to go. I wanted to go and Yeah. Just you knew. Oh, no. No. I'm upset.   I'm gonna I'm gonna figure out a way to get there on Sundays now, bro. Sunday would be a great way because then I do the podcast Sunday night. Dude, I really wanna be involved. You guys are fucking diesel.   Are you kidding? Oh, and, by the way,   one of my buddies from the Internet ordered ordered one of the moves. This guy, Tony Coriolis. I met him in Jersey.   He's, dude, he's like the flattered mayor.  

He's so cool.   I love that guy. And, like, one day, he was like, yo, man. I I don't know if you saw. I ordered one of your moons. Are you gonna be able to make it? I was like, oh, I don't even check that site, man.   I get you one. He was like, alright. Cool. Take your time. And then wrote just like a week or 2 ago, Eric Finner asked me if he wants to get one, man. So I'm gonna make it on something too, but we have to figure out  

[02:55:23] Unknown:

how how we're gonna do that with the   taxes on the car, the shipping cost. Yeah. We'll figure that out, man. Yeah. I, but otherwise, it come over to New York,   and I'm gonna get some. You know? Gonna play some tunes. Gonna record some shit.   We're gonna we're gonna make something happen in 2025.   Be prepared because I don't   I don't have any time to fuck around with. I did it for 51 years,   and, time twenty 2025 is time to rise and to to do some good stuff   and to connect to, more more people in the world and to,   to, yeah, to do some good stuff.  



[02:56:02] Unknown:

Well, quick take a quick look at this.   Can you see this? Yes.  

[02:56:09] Unknown:

It looks like an alligator hat, but  

[02:56:12] Unknown:

I'm trying to get the right angle. I think it's a dragon, bro.  

[02:56:16] Unknown:

Wow.   Don't show that to the to one of the guys. You know? He probably thinks that it's dragon. Wow.   You found that or you made that?   No.  

[02:56:28] Unknown:

You found it. This this I think this is real.   This is from a collection of a guy who used to work. He was a paleontologist,   and his wife sold his collection when he died. My buddy bought everything because she didn't wanna break it up. All he wanted was the meteorites   and and the cabinets.   He was like, fuck it. Give me everything.   And when I helped him move it, he was like, here. Take this, take this, take this. And, bro, this this is something he gave me. I don't know if you could I'll send you some pictures. Wow. I'm in the middle of fake I'm gonna make a cop I'm gonna make cash to this, bro. I'm gonna sell these too, man. Cool.   I got a couple of guys ready to work with me,   doing a little promotion.  

It's you know what? I'm I'm   afraid to ruin it.   I'm afraid to ruin it. So I'm I'm just being cautious on how I mold it.  

[02:57:19] Unknown:

Can can you mold it with, like like to do with, with body parts?  

[02:57:25] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. It's silicone.   Silicone or rubber?   Rub. Probably silicone.   Right. And then I make a 2 piece mold or a cutaway mold. I'm not exactly sure. I'm I'm watching YouTube for days, bro. And I'm like,   I just don't wanna fuck it up, man, because it's the only one. I'll never come across that again, dude. I I'll send you some pictures, bro.   Cool. I I have a I think it could be,   a dragon skull, dragon skull Uh-huh. And a baby too, Rob, because there's no horns. But there's 2 pits on the top, and somebody was like, oh, that's where the horns come out. I'm like, oh. Right.  

[02:58:02] Unknown:

Did you ever figure out that there's this guy that said,   about dinosaurs, and he   he wanted to get some stuff from the Smithsonian?   From the Smithsonian?   Yeah. But they never gave him that. So he said, okay. Fuck you. I'm gonna get my own skulls. So he found his skulls,   and he figured out, like, there are no   whatever.   Let's call it for for example, dinosaur. I don't believe in the ship, but let's say it's dinosaur. Like a species on Earth. But he figured out it's not like different species. It was one species that developed from a baby   to a grown.  

You figured that out. It looks like, oh, all these stages of of maturity and and adolescence and stuff like that. Mhmm. They look like another animal, but they aren't.   Wow.   Dude, let's do this in in 3 months when there's a real   New Year's Eve for us. Like, New Year's Day or whatever. Like, 1st April, that would be cool. I don't know what  

[02:59:08] Unknown:

Maybe April 1st again, bro.   I would love to shoot for that, man. I would make it annual. Every year, we'll do these 2 days or  

[02:59:17] Unknown:

Oh,   yeah, man.  

[02:59:20] Unknown:

Well, I love you, sir, Rook.  

[02:59:28] Unknown:

When I added the shit out of it, it's,   if if I'm gonna take it longer, then there's gonna be a problem with uploading it on a rumble. That's why we wanna cut it most of the times in 2 hours. You're a special guest, of course. But and and, of course, all the guests that were on are special guests.   But I have to look at the time. That's just, the easiest part.   Uh-huh.   You wanna have, you have one message for the listeners, and then we're gonna   wrap it up.  

[02:59:56] Unknown:

A message for listeners. Oh, wow.   You know,   treat yourself well.   Have a have a have the best internal conversation you could possibly have, guys.   You know, if something   don't latch onto negative thoughts. They they had to fucking   hinder your progress. The it's like they have spirits too.   You know, that conversation is not just it's hardly ever me. It's   it's the angels talking, trying to get me to   kinda remote control stuff, bro. You know?   Just to have be good to yourself.   Talk to yourself well.   You know? If if you have a reoccurring   negative thought,   tell the thought. Like, you got I like, I know. You told me that already.  

Stop telling me that. I know.   I'm I don't wanna hear it anymore.   You know?   You don't you don't have to beat yourself up in this world, guys. That's what they're trying to get us to do.   You know? And the less you have negativity   lying around you and you, and   the better   things work, man. You know? The better your body feels, your mind feels, you speak better.   You feel better. You act better. You talk to people better. It's,   you know? And do you believe me, man? I'm no pro.   But I see the differences, and it and it does make a difference. Be good to yourself, guys. Right. You know? Have a have a good internal conversation.   They appreciate that. You know? I don't think God wants praise every day all day, but he would like a little acknowledgment   here and there. You know, to say, hi. I'd wake up every morning. I just got a little conversation with myself,   but that's   God. That's Jesus. Jesus. I'm not it's not a very bad boy. Yeah. Yeah. God. Yeah. That's God. As it's church, bro. We live in a church. You know? What we do here is church.  



[03:02:05] Unknown:

What we do here is church.   Yes. What I really would like to say   before I gonna hop off   is something that you said that I really, really liked   is be yourself because other,   all others have been taken. Yeah. Ready.   Right?  

[03:02:23] Unknown:

True, man.   You know,   that that that's not my saying.   That's a famous saying, but that's what the spirit told me when he said, you're you're gonna see things. You're gonna see good things. Try to make it. Try to turn the good things you see into yourself.   Because we're all we brought. It's a weird dichotomy because   we we look   and we learn and we copy.   So we're really copies of everything else we've ever seen.   A little different because we're unique and individual.  

[03:02:56] Unknown:

Yeah. But it's monkey like. Right?   A little bit. Right. A little Yeah. You know, everything, monkey like, but that's okay.  

[03:03:04] Unknown:

Nah. But that you know,   it's not exactly mimicking   Mhmm. What it is. It's seeing the good in somebody and then incorporating it and then bringing it out Right. In in your own special way   and in my own special way. That's where   the group becomes the individual kind of thing. Mhmm. You know? And that's how you can claim,   authenticity. Right? To do it on your own Yes. Base. Yes. Yeah. And I learned from you,   all my friends, man, everything. I'll I try to see the good and everything, and I try to react   in an appropriate way. You know, I don't like to overreact   or   jump to conclusions.  

I'm not perfect, but this is what I'm trying for, man.  

[03:03:52] Unknown:

Love that, man. Love that. Because I'm learning a lot   from you and and all my guests and all the conversations that I have. And there's still a lot of work to do internal work for me. It's   not perfect at at all. But, hey, it's a record progress, man.   And Yes, brother.  

[03:04:08] Unknown:

And, bro, I learned a lot from your shows too, man. Thank you, man. I do, bro. You got some fucking   awesome guests on it.   And, you know,   maybe I shouldn't say anything, but I will. But I I I've been thinking about it. Vicky even told me a year ago, man, I should have my own YouTube.   And I can have all the lives. I have a 120   lives right now,   and I have no YouTube. I fucking   that's how that's where I'm at, bro.  

[03:04:37] Unknown:

I'm like, yeah. If you need help, just call me out, man. I love to help.   Thank you. I love to help, man. Bro,  

[03:04:44] Unknown:

snake wants some of my moves. I wanna get used to some well, that's that makes that's success right there when your friends Right. Enjoy what you're doing. Yes. That's fucking success, bro. Getting acknowledgment from people?   Oh, yeah. Let's   be effective for my individuality   and my   creative. I honest, creative with other people doing it, but,   you know,   it's it's how I'm expressing myself, man. Mhmm. I'm gonna work on my drums. I've been rethinking getting a set. Remember I told you, I don't wanna get a set. I don't wanna scare the birds away. Right. Well, maybe I'll get maybe I'll get, like, an electronic set. Well, we talked about that just, like, boom, boom, instead of the.  

[03:05:32] Unknown:

Say, I got some guitars.   I I got some guitars, and and sometimes I just wanna get my, electric guitar without the amplifier because, you know, the.   Very soft. It's all oh, man.   I I really I really hated that. I'm not in the in the position yet to to plug it in and just play it, but,   I think I will,   eventually,   gather some,   a lot of,   influences and stuff to to get out   once I'm gonna grab the guitar. I got an old one standing there that's, acoustic, which you're gonna play sometimes. And,   I need that, man. I need that vibe. I need that energy. I need that frequency, the the vibration, the that's me, man. That's me talking to the universe somehow. Oh, yeah, bro. Yeah. Don't don't let the rust get on your thing, is it? No. No. No. No. No. No. It's worth to get it off, bro. Yes. Yes.   Alright. For everyone who's listening to this episode, I hope you really enjoyed on New Year's Eve,   to this episode with the gene edited, from Heliopsychosis.  

Check him out.   And, for all you listeners   out there, have a beautiful morning, beautiful day, or beautiful evening. No. Let me rephrase that because   Ben told me something. I don't like the word morning either. I got strongs and not weeks.   I got a mother and not a mommy. I got a father and not a daddy. So we gonna   scratch   the fucking mornings, because that's something negative. We're gonna make it grand rising. Thank you, Ben.   So have a grand rising,   a beautiful day, or beautiful evening, no matter where you are on this beautiful   plain   planet.  

Thank you.   Dreams.   He's a pain in the ass.   Black as a night,   god showed me the light.   He's a pain in the ass. Black   kind, and he couldn't fulfill my dreams. He's a pain in the ass.   Black as a night,   god show me light, and he'll be tight.