Welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions, where we explore the depths of human potential and the journey to self-discovery. In this episode, I, Rob, your host, am thrilled to introduce our special guest, Brandon Angel, a fitness enthusiast and student of nature. Together, we delve into the transformative power of nature and the profound insights it offers.
Brandon shares his incredible journey from being a military badass to living in a cave in Costa Rica, studying plant medicine. We discuss the importance of finding one's tribe and the strength that comes from embracing individuality. Brandon's experiences highlight the significance of connecting with nature and the wisdom it imparts.
We explore the concept of "crazy ants" and how they symbolize the pioneers who lead others to new paths of growth and understanding. Our conversation touches on the challenges of reintegrating into society after experiencing the raw beauty of the jungle and the lessons learned from indigenous communities.
Join us as we discuss the power of plant medicine, the importance of diverse nutrition, and the spiritual journey that leads to self-discovery. This episode is a call to action for those seeking to reconnect with nature and embrace their true potential.
Thank you for tuning in, and remember, do whatever the world needs from you because your authenticity is your greatest gift.
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What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the lore.
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Welcome fellow human to the disorganized productions podcast. The show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode, we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential, and conquer life's challenges. Hey there, fellow human. Welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions. If you wanna get get in contact with me, please be free and write an email to disorganized productions at gmail dot com.
If you want to check out more stuff that I'm doing, please check my link tree, which is also slash disorganized productions. And for all you producers out there that helped the show, that liked and subscribed, and even donate to the show, thank you. Without any further ado, enjoy the show. Hello, fellow human. Welcome to another episode of disorganized productions. Today, we got a very special guest. I'm very pumped and excited to have him here. Today, we're gonna talk with Brandon Angel. And, yes, Brandon, please introduce yourself to the audience.
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Okay. My name is Brandon Angel. I'm a fitness enthusiast and student of nature, and I'm really happy to be here on such a incredible journey of truth and learning and, finding a tribe, a snake, clarified of truth and, you know, also on that same journey.
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Yes. Snake, dude, we know that you are all working or having a bad time, doing all the stuff that you do behind the scenes because he's fucking amazing. Dude is the bridge builder of, of of the let's say of the of one of the biggest platforms that, the world will know, especially in 2025. We're we're we're building something that's yeah. We're gonna build something that's like knocking Joe Rogan, whatever the fuck out.
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Okay. Let's go.
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Yeah. Yeah. Not not to not to, you know, appreciate about Joe Rogan. But the thing that we're building here, especially with the people that we're in, especially the last couple of weeks when we strong, as I will prefer to say, is is amazing.
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It's amazing. It's impressively strong. No doubt. It's impressively strong. I'm just getting into it, but I'm just like, wow. This is invigorating, refreshing, awesome, real as nails. Like yeah. So and then and like I was saying, it's just right at that time where it's perfect. You could tell what's the quote. Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.
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Okay. Hold that one. Yeah. Just because fits. Yes. It it really fits. It's like, like, a clockwork of, of Switzerland. You know? It it it really ticks like it should tick. But you have to figure out quite some time before you, find the right pieces that fit together to make the right mechanism to make it work. And, the most people that we are gonna talk to in the group and the most people that we are that I've met for the last couple of months, probably 1 year now, are people that all struggled and then had a chance or to quit and die or to make the best versions of themselves.
And the last part is what they did. And you can feel that. You can feel that energy, like, I'm not fucking giving up. And that's something that I saw in your podcast too because you were on the podcast with Ben. Shout out to Ben from
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brain. Who are awesome. Yeah. Love. And following shoot.
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We're gonna deep dive into some of some of some real crazy stuff that you've been through and that you, get your wisdom around about plant medicine and stuff like that. But before that, we just talked very, very briefly before we hopped on the show. I wanna ask you 14 questions to get to know a little bit better, and also that the audience will know a little bit better about you. Okay. So if you're ready, I'm just gonna shoot all these questions to you. Always ready. Always ready. Okay. What's your favorite color? Blue.
What's your favorite music?
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Probably probably death metal at the end of the day. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Oh, I I got a lot of metal has in my podcast. I love that shit. Yeah. You wouldn't know, but that that's the true thing. That's what's that's what's going on in the gym. Right? So that's my whole.
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What's your favorite, movie or series? Oh,
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well, that's a tough one. I sort of kinda divorced. Well, I guess I would say that Paul Stamens production, fantastic fungi on on Netflix. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or yeah.
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That's a very good one and an interesting one. I like that one. Mhmm. What's your favorite book?
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Oh, well, I guess that might be I will say, I'll even show it to you if you don't mind. You give a true dust justice. Universal man. A way in she's so reborn by Richard Aliberti. And this is my favorite book because one of my favorite people wrote it, and he just recently passed. But, oh my god. You know, I always loved them, and it's such a special thing to be able to have this in that circumstance. So
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Right. Universal man. I'm gonna write her down. Alberti. Richard Alberti. Yeah. You got it. Alberti. Okay. What's your favorite kind of drink?
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Oh, that will be jungle juice of my own making. I'm a highly diverse, nutritious, living green electric drink that will have you doing backflips and throwing the machete and the shovel for nobody.
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Oh, love that. Mhmm. What's your favorite food?
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Oh, my favorite food would be actually, lately, let's just say, let's be adaptable. Right? Adaptability is a great measure of intelligence. So let's not get stuck anywhere, especially when diverse nutrition is my, like, message. So we'll say for right now, it's buffalo meat.
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Buffalo meat. Okay. Yeah.
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And, yeah, it's one of my favorite things to get right here in Medellin, Colombia. The cultivators of the buffalo are next level. The agriculturalists of, large mammal production at least is super hardcore. The cowboy culture here sailed through all the new, toxic, poisonous, control freak stuff. Right? So bison and and cow meat error.
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Excellent. The real good stuff. Yeah. Okay. What kind of clothing you like to wear the most?
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I'm not really you know, whatever fits the the the circumstances. Right? Let's just keep with let's keep with the adaptability and James Bond, and let's make it fit the mission.
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Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The yeah. Yeah. I like that. I'm I'm still searching sometimes about what's my favorite. If I stand up, you will say, what the fuck am I looking at? But, I like to wear skirts, but I'm making my own.
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Well, I always like when I see that actually because it's a statement of embrasure of individuality, which no one can do anymore. To use Snake's wordage again, you know, the you wanna wanna be part of the tribe, not the herb, and you definitely wanna embrace your individuality and say what you have to say because otherwise, it's just boring.
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Exactly. Exactly. Brandon, what's your favorite, holiday destination?
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Oh, well, I'm gonna make it somewhere I haven't been, so I could be wrong. But, so I I got into this Muay Thai kickboxing stuff when I was younger, and a lot of my friends have gone to Thailand and done that. And it's like a must do trip. And so I've been really I've been really hoping to make that big ocean jump back over to Asia. And, I saw a little bit of it when I was deployed in the military, but, I wanna get back over there and actually have that experience, I'm thinking.
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We we're gonna get into, side of it in in quite a while. I got some stories to tell you about that. Okay. Killer. I can't wait. Okay. Last four questions. These are these are hard ones for the most of them. What's your definition of the devil?
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Oh, a very real entity that's done an excellent job convincing people it's he's not or and that, has done an an an impressive job separating people from the truth by, like, 50 stages, steps, or whatever, increments of distance and wants to continue to push him even further than from the truth even though he's already really done such a incredible, feat of it. And, you know, you have to really just, I guess, you know, know notice ultimately that this is a lower force than the ultimate good force. And, so, you know, anyone who has seriously true things to to tell us should go ahead and have every kind of faith that they'll be able to do that and and to continue to do it. It took me a little bit to figure that one out.
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Right. So what's the definition of, of god?
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Oh, well, god is, like, definitely 1000% real. It's, if you if you can earn it. You know, the only thing I care about is getting my wings in in stage 2, whatever you wanna call it. I don't think there's gonna be any semantic discussion over there. Right? And, so we can drop all that. And, I, you know, I just wanna recommend to people, I found that this excellent PlayStation game. I found this, you know, way much more than that. But just in that friendliness and that lovingness and not in any interest of, you know, pushing anything, you know, try to try to experiment with it and find out your own truth there. But for me, God is one very much the most important force, and I'm so blessed to be able to have, been touched by over there so many times. And, I continue to be an experimentalist and want to reach out to that more. In fact, I just cut everything so fast. It does they can't be reaching to that direction.
And I'm just so appreciative of anything else that I find out in my journey that's reaching in that direction. And I've seen the darkness that we can all fall to. Right? So it's like, really, really just number 1 that you cling onto that with with everything that I have.
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Right. What's your, definition or interpretation of value?
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Oh, liberation, man. Like, if you can tell me the truth in the face of lies, and if especially if I've been programmed by them and I'm following some, you know, funny Piper, Pied Piper type type character, you know, and you can get me out of that. That's valuable. You know? If you give me a grace, which is an undeserved favor, knowledge, kick down, protection, look out, hard truth. I I'm I'm very much appreciative of that, and those will be the most you know, a relationship with someone who's also on the true path. I've spent some, like, a a a an amount of time believing those people might not even exist to the fullness for you know what I mean? And, and, and and that I was just well, maybe not even myself that. Right? So I'm just super appreciative of good people who want them to go in a good direction and do good things and keep themselves in good check. And, that's all the and to have a to be able to have a meaningful relationship and exchange with those people, animals, and nature is most valuable to me. That's the value there. Wow. Wow.
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Last definition question. What's your definition of success?
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Oh, definition of success. Everything in balance, overcoming the things that I haven't done yet, overcoming the things that are hardest to do, overcoming the things that I'm most afraid of, and, being a good person to nature and everything, in the universe around me, trying to be a force of goodness and solutions for for the world as an as a as an entirety, not as a not in any kind of select way. And and, and being very balanced. And and, success would be with lots of longevity, you know, not falling into one of these points so far that the other points suffer because we just don't see that anywhere in our example.
You know? It is but it's one place that you can see pattern recognition metaphysically or whatever that society and our brothers suffer the most. Right? It's because we're right. Fall into this and the matrix is want you to just do this one thing. You know what I'm saying? It'd be that just one issue warrior, and it just becomes this this, undiverse, unbalanced, pitfall. So I think, you know, success is staying balanced and and and really attacking the weaknesses and the fears and overcoming them.
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Wow. I love this. I love this. Because I was listening to your podcast with Ben, and, boy, did you have some rough time, especially when it comes to your divorce and stuff like that and with your child. You wanna get into that a little bit so the audience knows a little bit where you come from?
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Actually, there's so much other better stuff for us to get into. And on that one and on that one, we could really just say, you know, if you're one of the people who really wants to find that law of polarity pain that was on the other side of whatever I think you know, whatever you get access to. Right? Uh-huh. And then, you know, parental discretion advised. You know? And if, you know, I really wouldn't wanna the like, watch that horrible story too much myself. Maybe we could do it something better, but unchained brand, the the master Benjamin episode 40. Right? For that whole rights thing that I that I hope never happens to anyone and and you could pass on to your 15 year old if you're worried about them getting with the wrong girl and getting trapped. Oh, yeah. It was.
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Yes. Exactly. Sometimes you don't have to be, living that moment all over again because you Right. You've been there. Right? You you have suffered from it, and that's it. So if you, just just like, Brandon says, if you wanna know more about that kind of story, listen to the episode with Ben on on episode 40. We are gonna dive into what happened afterwards because Okay. You were a fucking badass in the military. And, eventually, you you you ended up you ended up in a cave in Panama studying plant medicine. Right?
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The the the cave was actually in Costa Rica.
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The
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the journey really kicked into gear here in Colombia, just not about 1 hour from where I'm at right now. And, and then, yeah, that is a crazy thing. Right? Yeah. And I was actually a home builder for a small chapter in Philly Philadelphia in between the 2.
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So So you're now in Colombia? Yes. But you were also in Panama and Costa Rica? Yes. And you got some indigenous roots. Right?
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Well, I'm from Albuquerque, New Mexico originally, and, my mother does have some indigenous genetics. My mother is a terrible human being, but I'm moving. But, no, I I what what I I I here in Colombia, I work with an indigenous woman, and she's the best cultivator I've ever met in my life. That's still alive. There was another guy that I worked with, but he passed away. And, but, yeah, I I have actually part of the reason I've been filled called to do this is because I'm like the perfect intermediary between her and others like her. There's a lot of indigenous guys that I work with. There's a lot of really incredible people with incredible stories. Right? It's like, man, almost like the prerequisite. The 3 ways,
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yeah.
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Yep. So and and so then this meet the but none of them, they're also they're experts in their field, but never are they really in the position, especially to speak to an English audience or to maybe illustrate this the way it needs to be to the right people that it needs to be. And, I mean, every time I go there, this is what they're telling me. The out of their mouths, not even from above. It says, like, man, tick tick are you drumming up anything? Winter. Right? You know? So and, I mean, I I I I need to do a better effort at that because it is a I do do see that it's a spiritual calling. And, and, man, these guys have had the answer. Let me tell you real quick about Rosa right here outside of Medigan. So she's from a small tribe that was in hiding for several generations because of conquistadoreal attacks from, you know, prey on the weak after right? Every kind of piece of garbage will come out to kick you when you're down, when you're already down. You know? And there's lots of pieces of garbage drifting out here that never even picked a side yet. The worst of the mill. Anyway, so they're in hiding. Right? And, she and they have a spiritual thing. Alright. Listen.
These people building cities out here, which from a space shuttle, city image, microscopic is an exact exact duplicate of a cancer microscopically. Right? So, you know, the pattern's bad. The cement, we talked about that, right, a little bit in the other one, but just to remention that much. And they're looking at it through clear eyes of reality, of true reality, not being separated from the devil. And they're saying, oh, these guys are going way too far with the city shit, spraying all their like, imagine through her eyes. Right? So okay. So they have a they have a huddle, them, God, out in their community. Right? And it's Right. Alright. You go out you go out here and preach to this province, city, or whatever. You'll go out here and preach this one. You so a group of young people, she's one of them. She went by herself to this area. Other people went to other areas by themselves.
She rode the bus. She struggled. She asked for change on the street. She eventually was able to find the right people and, establish these incredible agriculture alternative agriculture sites, permaculture sites, biodynamic, and ancestral system sites. And I'm talking about advanced, fermentations Wow. Then jugs and you know? Yeah, dude. Like, super high level, cultivation that's been for generations generations. It's time for us to put a fight in in motion here. And I'm just an innocent bystander trying to, like, just like just like with his eyes peeled back saying, woah.
The real world, like, thank you. Whatever switch just slipped through my head that allows me to see this now. You know what I mean? And this is all I wanna be in. So, you know, even though I'm coming back to the world, then I'm I'm trying to get back on the horse of economical state Well,
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you know Endeavor. Yeah. The bullshit they try to tell you that you're gonna be, you know, satisfied with. You know? You you gotta shut up, and and you got all the stuff that you don't need. And once you come into a community like that, because I can I can speak from experience when I went to Peru to the people? And, when I entered the the land of the people, that was like common home. There was no place on this earth ever that I felt like this is exactly like it should be. I think I Yeah. I never ever worn shoes except at night because you don't know where you're gonna put your feet on. And when you're on a Ayahuasca trip, sometimes it's better to wear some shoes. Although I have to be admitting that 80%, I was bare feeted.
But the thing is, when you are into a community like that, and it feels like home and you you you listen to to the jungle. You you hear the jungle breathe, the animals, the leaves, the birds, the plants. It all makes sense, and it all has a purpose. As especially that you're gonna realize that you have a purpose because you're in the middle of that. Here in our society, there's no way to think about it even. You you are just a puppet on a fucking string.
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Yeah. They're impulsive. Do you feel like do you feel like you made your most larger, you covered the most distance in finding out what your own purpose was when you were out in nature? Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. And the and the funny thing is, here, I really appreciate silence, like real silence. That comes because we got so much buzzing and noise going on in the city. And even in a in a village, you know, if you go outside, you hear, like, the highways and stuff like that in the distance, like the the little buzzing. In the jungle, there's never a quiet place because when it's quiet, you have to be very careful because there's a predator. Right?
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Well, yeah. I I would yeah. Even then, it's it's a never quiet. Yeah.
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But the the the the never ending quietness of the jungle gives you so much rest. It I mean, sometimes you you just just don't find the words to describe what it's be. What what was your take to go into the jungle and to find more peace of yourself, Brandon?
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Well, yeah, it it was really a a chain of events and that led to it. But it was a I will say the biggest pivot points were when special people recognized that I was a special spirit and helped me. You know? They were all older than me. They were actually they were older souls than I was, but they recognized that I was graduating, and, and they did the, the right things with me. And, yeah, I'm always gonna just really recognize that for sure. And then I ended up and and, you know, the the final one, just to give some details, is he someone handed me a shovel, pointed me a cabin at the back of a a farm, and said, go ahead.
Learn. And that was it. And then I said, oh, wow. Okay. And, and it was during that time, I had already started you know, I've always been obsessed with I've always had houseplants around, and I've always really liked nature. I think actually everyone from the land of enchantment, New Mexico, right, is, like, really in tune with nature. So but and then, but, yeah, that was the pivotal experience. And then night after night, hearing all the sounds you're talking about, it's quiet, but it's not quiet. It's a it's this special existence. It's a removal from the city. Right? It's the real noise. It's not the fake noises. And then you start to have this realer experience in a realer sleep, and you and your spirit starts to do these realer things. And your mind starts to have these realizations from all that realness.
You know? And then, one one thing after and if you if you hang out long enough, you're not gonna wanna come back till you're For sure.
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That's for sure, man. Still struggling.
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And and then and, man, I think anyone can have this experience, but I think, there has to I think I think anyone can have this experience. And the way you have it is you have to go out for a very dedicated time and nature, and it's gotta be challenging. You're gonna lose weight. You're gonna get skinny. You have to really push yourself in a full send manner to, like, make a connect. You know, I thought about this since the last one, this, video endeavor is much harder. This content, this conversation on the recorder is much harder than than you give the credit, right, as a viewer. And and and so is this talk about doing and living in nature thing, ma'am. It's a real real you know, you're gonna go one day, then you're gonna be like, oh my god. And then you're gonna go 2 days 3 days, and then there's a threshold for for for people that's gonna be very clear. Like, well, I don't know what this guy is. You know? But you just push way past that and believe that it's true.
Mhmm. Then you get, like, an intuition out there, man. Like a like a gift of tongues, and you start to make sense of all that kind of stuffing. And and I would say you asked me about books before my ceiling, I'm running. If if you read that before you do it, then you would maybe get, like, a, like, a leg up. You know? Also, Stephen, Harry, Bonner, secret teachings of the plants. That's another one if you were able to check that out before you did it. But, I mean, I'm I'm I'm almost thinking that that your perfect thing to tell you I was thinking before the podcast, and I think we've arrived. It's like, man, I think if all of us did this type of vision quest, thing as a as a prerequisite, you know, to to being accepted into the tribe or whatever, it would be the most enhancing like, I couldn't be a parent of another child without taking them out and and making sure that they did it. You know? And, and it and it is it's dangerous, and it's it's it's it's doodle. Like, what they would say down here is tough. Right? I think that's where, you know, the gym is one thing, but the gym the gym is the thing, man.
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Oh, yeah. But it's the real challenge. The it's it's the the the real things like, okay. This is challenging, but I gotta do it because otherwise, I can survive. The the thing is the to go into the jungle was was one decision. And to be honest with you, when I had my ticket back, it was like the biggest decision. Like, do I want to go back in this not fucking shell of society? And to be honest with you, I I landed at 12 o'clock at night in Germany, in Dusseldorf, which is a Metropole, like a real big city. It's, let's say a 45 minute drive to my home at that time when I had a home.
And that same day, I start to work. Dude, that's like, I never found the the piece and the rest to to really, got the downloads real start to kick in, if you know what I mean. Because you're coming from the jungle. You have experienced so many things, especially with plant medicine. And then you all of a sudden been thrown into society just like that. It's like that's, that was hard. It still is. Well It still is.
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Well, that's interesting to hear. I haven't done the plant medicine, but I do I'm very familiar with being just interested with modern society, especially after having a natural experience. And, but then and so I guess my only role is to try to get society to have a more natural experience, which is the answer. And that's what I'm saying. It it really starts at the individual level too. Right? And and then if we're gonna find the intelligence level or the frequency to really deliver this message, I do feel that because I couldn't talk about this stuff before. You know what I mean? I had no I like, the the the, the journey that you make in in information or just, like, cognitive download or however you say that out nature is just so you know what I mean? Yep.
So so if so if you could just be like, yo, dude. Like, go go do the vision quest, and then now we're in the tribe together. You know? I guess I'm just it just makes you long for a tribe that goes through what you've gone through so you can kind of have that parallel agenda, be partners in some new cool, creative team, you know, out doing some new real real product like, produce of of whatever. You know? Because, like,
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I'm excited about meeting you guys.
[00:33:27] Unknown:
Yeah. But that's it. If if you if you having a time in nature. Ever well, a lot of people like to walk in nature. Right? The the the forces here are are beautiful. They're not that big compared to to other, countries, but we we have some beautiful forces here. The thing is, actually, I was walking barefoot today in the forest. It's December. Like, I'm a I'm a crazy man. You know? But the thing is, as I said, I came back from Peru. It was like, begin of November. So the thing is, I'm I'm here at, my producer's house, Joost. Shout out to Joost. He was on Unchained Brain also, and Mad Max show on on Davey Wavy from the red pro red pill cartel, and I had him 3 times, in my show. And we're taking a walk after lunch.
And I said, man, it's been such a long time since I've been in nature, and I took a walk. So I kicked off my shoes, and, I walked barefoot. And he said, he was just like, okay. Okay. I'm with this crazy guy wearing a skirt, walking barefoot in the middle of December in the Netherlands. Oh my, this is not the case. And I think like, oh, wow. Finally, I could I could, connect to nature again. That comes back to the mycelium. I had this download when I was on Ayahuasca. What if I walk in nature? I respect nature. I'm good in nature. You know? I'm I'm, connecting, and I touch a tree.
Then all of a sudden, I fly to Peru and touch a tree there. Could it be coincidence that maybe that tree was connected to the other tree also? So the vibe that you give is all around you with the trees. Because I think the mycelium is the the oldest organism in this world, first of all, and it's so vast of almost infinity that it's gonna spread out in this world. So be very careful if you do things in nature because I really think if I touch a tree in Europe and I go cross continental, these trees will know, like, oh, that's Rob.
[00:35:52] Unknown:
He he's been here Man, I I should I should not, dude. I should you not. Before you started talking, I was having the inkling to say, well, maybe we when you were like, I'm out in nature just walking in nature. I'm back in nature. I'm like, well, I'm already starting to see maybe we're supposed to organize, like, nature trips. You know? And how we were talking before at the end at the beginning of the mere meeting how, like, having a story is almost like a prerequisite to being it right. You know? So and there's all these people that are having their story right now with these all the different versions of toxicity, whether it's even Netflix addiction, who whatever.
Nature heals all of that all of that. Right? Oh, you're us the board. But, you know, more faster, more better. Right? Because we wanna heal correctly. You know, I'm so glad nature healed me and others some other thing. Like, I'm. Right? So maybe that could be our calling at some point is, you know, to organize dedicated nature trips and maybe even implement that experiment that you just said of cross pollination of information, which totally probably is real, man. You know what I mean? Percent. Like, I find that, yeah, I find that a really, fitting, Ayahuasca download.
[00:37:11] Unknown:
Yeah. But If anything is download. If you, and and especially also with bandwidth, with with the spinning device that you made. And you you gotta tell everyone that's listening to this podcast who's interested in it, Check out my link tree. There are a lot of, cool download links, and some some really good products that you can, get your grip on for for, sponsoring these guys, but also to dig into some real stuff that's real beneficial for your health.
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Yeah. Real, real, real. That last one is where he captured his face on the thing. Man, I resonated, but I know I thought, I know that.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Okay. We received I know the name. It's so crazy. You know the name from the the Japanese guy, Mosimoto? I think it was with the with the with the water.
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We are living in Musomoto.
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Yes. We are living in such incredible, magical place. But if you look around you, if you just okay. Listeners, close your eyes. Think about what what is really be like a a human being, like, being of light. Human means light, a light being. And when you open up your eyes, look around you. How many things do you really attach in your home, in your office, wherever the fuck you are, in your car, that's really resonating with you, except maybe, as you said, Brandon, some plans at home. These are the only things that connects you. Like, oh, I like that. That's that's a living thing. The rest I like that exercise.
Dress is all bullshit, man. Yeah. The rest is and, of course, you need shelter. You could use some some some luxury. I'm literally homeless right now. I never ever had a better time.
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Crazy. Yeah. I know what you're talking about, man. I actually have been there, man. I've been in those rooms. Yeah. That's true, man. There's nothing more action packed and connected than being free from the separators that exist, that insulate us in comfort zones from where we're really supposed to be. Man, that was a really interesting rollout, man. That was a really great exercise. And, yeah, I I feel that, my my message specifically has been to just encourage that relationship with nature. You know? I don't know who's more disciplined than athletes, so I kinda thought I was gonna go that route. When I was a home flipper in Philadelphia, I got frustrated and walked into the boxing gym and said, alright. Who's the break there? Who's the electrician?
I need people who show up on time. So so, you know, I thought about that. And and, so so I think, you know, discipline to to really challenge ourselves every day to actually let me restate that, to go to war with ourselves every day to be the beast best person that we can be so we can be the best person to the people that we love and care about is a very universal truth. And, I think there's so many people that are even plagiarizing that now that it or or or let's just say, you know, using it as their front, but having something a little bit less than real in the back. You know what I mean? I just wanna say, man, actually, what what the homeless thing actually kinda resonates with me as a very, balancing avenue of personality that we need to convey that energy and motion into the the sphere. In fact, I've been thinking you know, I've been on this teeter totter. It's like, do I continue?
I mean, I only came back to, like, the societal construct, but to because I didn't wanna be a jungle creature when my daughter turned 18. You know? Right.
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Yeah. She was well, easy. He's in the jungle. He's crawling up there. Right?
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Oh, bro. I had I had skin parasites living all over me, and I'm just like, oh, I wanna try to cure this. So this thing you know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. Because that that yeah. Because you'll find out what I'm talking about, man. You know, we there's a whole knowledge set that we should have that we don't, that we'd be so empowered to have, and then you're just like, oh, man. So back to the devil question is, like, the devil is someone who separated us from what the nature provided or what the universe provided for us, which is nature and has us in this other devil made man made thing. You you you know what I mean? So shit, bro. Fuck. Continue to walk like Cain, bro. I think that's actually some of the most genuine authentic.
I love it. Yeah. But the thing is how that was strategic for you too. It was just based on the like, I could tell that wasn't I could tell this isn't or maybe I'm wrong there. I don't know. No. I think I think it's, it's it's both ways. It's,
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circumstances that that are being being pointed out at at one time. And then, of course, it's it's circumstances, but it's also something like, oh, you know what? When you see that you that you're gonna steer at the brink of whatever it's gonna be, right, you have you have always a choice. Like, I'm gonna stop the car, or maybe maybe, you know, let's see what's happening.
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And I was thinking that was Can you read the signs? Can you read the signs? Most people can't. It sounds like you can't to me. I don't know. Because you there was your sign. I do. I do. Yeah. And I I I see also the
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the layer of what it says. Right? So you don't have a home when you come down from Peru, but you feel that your home is in Peru. And what was that? That was the heart and mind that came together as one. Just like, okay, here you got your masonic, whatever the fuck that you're gonna think about. But it's it's the it's a trinity. Right? That when you feel that that wholeness, that's all you got from home. And if it's gonna be like a shelter or a, something like a roof on your head, like it's my fucking car of or is this place, Yos, or it's it's it's a warehouse where I'm gonna stay for my sleep, or or the car that I'm gonna drive tomorrow.
I don't care, man. As long as I I'm alive and as long as I can fulfill my things that I'm I'm I'm supposed to do. And that's something that I I got really, really good down on this about that, like, mother Ayahuasca was telling me, like, you're good. You you you do the things that you do, and you gotta do them, man. You gotta connect what you're all with the knowledge and with the communication skills.
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That's it. Yeah. You got a you got a a faith in your own survivability. Would you say that got that was directly downloaded from the Ayahuasca experience specifically?
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Maybe not specifically because I had these these things go in a a few times, but it has to do with the with the path that I made to the Ayahuasca. Right, man. I was doing, in the middle of 2024, I was I was meeting this little frog combo. You heard about that?
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Yeah. I I'm vaguely familiar. It's a hardcore
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dummy. Yeah. So, the the Campbell frog is a is a is a frog that lives in the rainforest in South America. And it's a green one. He he does not have any nature, so he he can be killed by the predator. The little tiny green one or the black one with green spot? No. The the little tiny green one.
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It's a tree frog. Interesting. I'm very familiar. Yeah. Oh, but it's So Okay. I didn't know about the sun Uh-huh.
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Yeah. So the secretion that, the indigenous people are taking the secretion of the frog and use it for hunting and stuff like that. I don't know. I don't know why WhatsApp is popping up all the time, but that's okay. So they take the secretion of the frog. They they burn mark you with a little spot. Okay. Afterwards, they're gonna put the frog poison on it, and then you're gonna have a real warm, warm head, and it's gonna scan your whole system. It's gonna take out everything that doesn't supposed to be there. That could be some disease, but it could be also anxiety. That could be trauma. It could be whatever the fuck you're stuck with.
Wow. So I had, first of all, 5 dots right here on my on my heart chakra. And, eventually, now I got several spots all over my body because I did it a few times. You can see it right here, for example. Maybe you could see Wow, man. Yeah. How fascinating. So but with these dots, these were 8 dots that you gotta puke. And it could be also coming from the back door. But definitely, you're gonna let loose some stuff. So once you have done that, you're completely clean. 2 strongs, as I prefer seeing instead of weeks. After my first, session, ceremony with Campbell, I did, Shoku Bliss. Shoku Bliss is a, ceremonial cacao together with Okay. Wasca and psilocybin, so the mushrooms. Wow.
And, I had 2 joints rolled up. So, you know, when the trip is gonna hit in, I'm gonna smoke a joint. You know? But then I got this voice that's told me just like, it served you, but it doesn't serve you anymore. Cut it loose. So I was in a Ganshow position for about 3 hours, just meditating, and I quit smoking, just like that. No way. With drinking. Wild.
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So the the the I've heard this over and over. That's amazing.
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Yeah. So eventually, when I booked for Peru, I knew that I had to cut loose more things, so I did similar retention. I think it's a good word. So so no common. No sugar, no salt, no caffeine, all that stuff. So that brought me to as pure as I could be as a human being to mother Ayahuasca, which which gave me the things that, she thought that was good for me. And it was it was a very nice, and I I was very I was very humbled to to be there and very grateful that I could make the trip.
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So but that Well, that's a really, advanced process from the versions I've been told about before. That's awesome. And that's a sounds like a really ancient delivery method with the frog stuff. That's killer, man. That's awesome that you were able to connect with such a a dynamic authentic seemingly source
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for this. It it feels, it feels so right. But when you're doing, so I was doing quite some drugs in the past, but I can't relate with them anymore. I know what they do. I know what, you know, I was like a speed freak. I love that kind of shit, alcohol, all this stuff. I still like to drink a beer, but that's a completely different story than, you know, boozing up for boozing up, for getting drunk or whatever. So Yeah. The plant medicine, I really figured out that the connection with nature, with San Pedro, with the frog, with cannabis, with Ayahuasca, that's the thing that's that that could eventually get you into a position, into channeling, into leveling up, or to have a good conversation with mother nature or with the mushroom or with with all there is and all all there will be. Right?
The rest is just man made. And that gives me, I don't know. It it gives me struggles nowadays because it's not the way.
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The the the the natural Well, I was just gonna ask you, do you feel like the journey required the psychedelics? Do you feel like the connection, like, may do you?
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Yes. You do? You're just calling me out, man. It was calling me out for a long time. And then it just went, like, silent. And then this year after the camo session, it, it came through sometimes like, you know, it was just like what Peru was calling me. I always want to be with the Indians, like the where the real place is. And when I entered that commune community, I knew that this is the way why I'm here because I felt so at home. Right.
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If you were to go back looking at your timeline, hindsight 2020, and look at the steps that you took to be able to hear that spiritual call in to do this psychedelics, what would those steps be? Oh,
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that's a bumpy road, man. And that's a hard one. It's it's, it's being so so, listen to so, okay, so listen to your body first of all, because if you're if you if you put shit in your to your body, your body eventually could just shut up or shut down. Oh. 19 was shutting down because I had an inflammation and perforation 3 times of my intestines. My buddy told me, like, Rob, stop this shit because I'm I'm I'm not gonna take it anymore. So it took me a while. Was that alcohol that did that? Well, alcohol, coke, all the stuff.
Basically, I think basically a very not healthy, not balanced life. You know? Sure. Okay. Well, that have talked. Everything was fucked up. You know? I wasn't happy in a relationship. I wasn't eating too good. Didn't take my rest. Sales manager, 25 years on the road, you know, all that stupid stuff that doesn't make you happy. So that that that comes the second part. Do things that make you happy. After a year of, after I was, getting my surgery and it took 35 centimeters of my intestines out, I had a burnout, which was the best period of my life. Because then I could really getting into my own system, like, who the fuck are you and what do you want?
Who are you? What do you want? You know? So, I figured out that then I finally had the time to dig into some stuff that really interested me. Like, it it was like discovery time, like, ancient history, ancient aliens, whatever the fuck they're gonna put on. But, you know, history, plant medicine, all that stuff that was just like, here it is. You could grab it from YouTube at that time. 2,060 was the the time when it when it, still was available. 2018, they took 35 centimeters out. And 2019 was, where where I had some periods of time that I could dig into my own interest and start to meditate, start to walk in nature, start to, breath work, all that stuff. Once you're gonna do that, or once you're gonna get that into your system, your system needs more of that stuff because it's the good stuff.
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Because you're on the right track.
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Yes. And let you do cold shower, all that stuff. You know?
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Yeah. No. I do the cold shower thing and the cold river plunge thing. It is a excellent tool, man. People overlook that. But, yeah, if you needed a reset, there it is. Right? And I I've just and that's, like, the biggest thing I would like to offer because I love the, I am so appreciative of everyone who's gone on the psychedelic journey because all that stuff that you're finding out of there is so real. And then we have that experimental data to compare with other things such as maybe, to go do this intense long chapter in nature and to actually to to learn to survive out there, which, man, I'm telling you, like, all these survivor shows, all this stuff, trapping, hunting, it's great. But you need a baseline, dependable, I've got this, I can survive.
And then that that I have found for the longest period of this of time to be my knowledge of the diverse plant based. And like I said, the intuition that you get when you're out there that's just given to you once you, to pass that chapter. It's that. It's it's it's more so that. It's that touch the tree communication stuff, man, which 1000%, I think, you know, it's probably through psychedelics to a certain degree as well. But, I think really more so soldiering it out, like, all types of diverse experience. You know? And, I don't wanna say I I do wanna say that also pushing myself back into society and back, I do feel it was a push. I do feel like I was pushed to do it. I feel like I was called to kinda come back to to it. And I feel like finding a balance between the 2 is really a rich place to be, because that's where we're going to be able to get enough people from the toxic place into the, natural place, which it really seems like the the the purpose.
You know? For you, for me, for our tribe. You know what I mean? Because we're just watching all these people suffer in the middle, unable to decide worst place. And then all in you know what I mean? Who does the child abuse and all the ridiculous shit. You know what I mean? Who I think we should just cut their heads off. I mean, that would be the most natural approach, especially when there's just yes. Oh, to find the continue, which is not saying stuff like that. You know what I mean? And we're able to make a a pragmatic, practical journey. I've actually thought about this a lot. Like, I was totally joking just there. And, you know, I do wanna try to be a proper medium between the 2 between us people who have found the real thing, but to actually be the person who can help make that pivotal health change, health real well, real right? Health spiritual of most important.
So spiritual health change to from this capturing that they exist in today to this freedom that they could exist in tomorrow tomorrow, you know, and and try to find that scalpel specific way of doing that properly.
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Dude, I got a I got 2 takes on that. First of all, I do agree with you. When you're raping people, it doesn't matter what you choose that your victim will deal with that for all your life. So fuck you. I'm gonna cut your fucking head off. If you murder someone, if it depends on the purpose and the situation if you could do that. But rape is something that you are willing to do with another person. Right? So if you fraud someone or you're you know, all the stuff that that could be criminal, whatever the fuck, there are 2 people involved. Some are victims, some don't.
But the for for for, if I was a judge, there is no way that you can ever talk to a single human being that you can tell, okay, that rape was was, was, what the fucking word is it?
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There's spiritual rape too. People Oh, fun. Yeah. You know? Like, it's like, let's just say I I mean, you know, not in every case, but I love that we're having the primal discussion. This is like you know, because as I said, you we have to recognize being out of our destiny groove just a little tiny bit when we quite a bit, actually, when we put up when we know for a fact that this person has committed this absolute atrocity, like with Elizabeth Smart. There's this, like, in this case, in this particular case, it's very important to you know, when the when the evidence is not convicting, it probably only came out because the other side the spirit side convicts the person as well. You know what I'm saying? That's how these amazing recognitions take place, like the 2 year later cop in the street. That's why I use some of these more extreme examples because they're good.
But, definitely, man, there's certain evils out there. Good. Volterra said it. You're also guilty of the good that you don't do. And certain evils are just so across the line. Like, I felt that in my DNA. That's what pushed me into the jungle. I was actually supposed to lop off 10 heads. You know what I mean? If I was gonna be in my destiny calling, if I was gonna protect young children from spiritual and psychological abuse by a bunch of maniacs that but who can't control themselves and are living this deceitful, pleasure chasing, selfish black hole of an existence where this is the effect they're gonna have on other lives as well, and I know it. You know, there's like this there's this, like, you're facing your own honor code. You know what I mean? And then Yeah. Mean, you're not gonna pass. You're not gonna pass because you're not gonna do anything criminal, which I am proud of at the at the end, I guess. I mean, I
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It's always on the slipping side. Right? It's always not that balance like, oh, I'm steady here because you don't know in society either.
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Well, you know, when you just look and you just look at the and I'm looking at the sad result that continues to be going on there. And I'm just like, yeah. If I would've done that, oh, this kid would be like, no. That's what's cool. This dude is a noble knight of protection, and he he took he he took the shot when he was supposed to. And and let, you know what I mean? He didn't just let all this bullshit can happen and not do anything. You know? And, you know what I'm saying? And and and now I'm not, you you know, that a lot of my metaphysical struggle was very much, oh, okay. You you you and that's what they know they're doing at this particular web of each craft, right, which we're not gonna go into episode 40, whatever you got. So but then, you know, you're just like, shit. Now look. The results of the child abuse are there, and you are this dude who didn't do anything. So now you've got this whole another, spirit of curiosity to deal with. You know what I mean? And oh, oh, yeah. So yeah. So there's, like, a daily and that's all the things. It's like a it's a combination of fitness in nature.
I'm having this diverse diet. And if I didn't have all those ducks in bro, fuck, dude. I wouldn't, so I know that through extreme pressure, diamonds are formed, and through extreme pressure, the the truth is revealed. You know what I mean? And I'm really feeling, like, more and more, like, let's just figure out a way to deliver this diverse nutrition, say what I gotta say in a bold way. And this is, like, take 500, dude. So I'm, like, proud of myself right now. I'm proud of myself after this little rant because I'm just, oh, just alright.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that brings me to number 2, and that's that's that's I got a I got a tattoo of an ant right here.
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Crazy. The most anthropological, like, a species on the planet. Oh, first of all, but
[01:02:13] Unknown:
this is a crazy ant. So I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a little story about the crazy ant, and I thought that you can recognize yourself in that. K. I don't know. What's it a pile of ants. What's it called in America or in England if you have a pile of ants? Ant pile. Ant pile. Okay. Okay. So when the sun when the when the seasons are gonna hit winter, crazy ants figure out like, oh, shit. There's less sun. So there's less warmth for our pile will not survive throughout winter. They will notice that, I think, in in September, October. Right? That the sun is gonna sets a little bit different as it does right now. We're gonna have to solace this 21st December. Okay. This crazy ant figures that out, but he has a very big problem because he can't shout in the pile like, hey, guys, we gotta build the shit somewhere else. Right? So what he's gonna do is he's gonna he's gonna take his own path to look for the right spot.
He will find a spot where the sun is warmer than on the spot that they are right there. So what happens is this ant goes back. And as you know, ants make traces. Right? So if you get the jar pot with some sugar in it, there's a trace where all the ants walk by to get through that jar. Right? But Okay. The crazy ant does not have this kind of ability. What he does, he goes back to the pile, takes 1 worker ant, puts it on his head, and puts it down on the new spot. That worker ant can't go back because he doesn't have a trial. Uh-huh. So this this this crazy ant does that for 10 times, 100 times, 1,000 times, put all these ants together on that fucking new spot until he meets a new another crazy ant, which does the same.
Okay. Now the magic happens. They're gonna make a new trial path. And when they have, I think more than 50% of the ants on the new spot, they will recognize like, oh, this is gonna be our new spot. How comes the magic? I think within 1 or 2 days, they break down the old pile and build it up exactly as it was within 2 days on the new spot.
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Okay.
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So with with crazy ants, the pile has a new existence. What we are gonna do, Brandon, with the new group that we're in, we are these these crazy ants that take the right people that are stuck in society to a new place where they can thrive again and be the most beautiful person as they could be and the Super
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important process of refinement. No doubt about it. I love it. I love that I came into contact with you guys. You know? It was just a few years ago that I didn't have a bank account. I didn't have a phone. I didn't want them. And, and now I am the you know, it's just a wonderful world. It's a wonderful existence when you're in the right track, when you just do what's right and you just tell the truth. It's just beautiful, and I'm feeling it. And, I do I am a crazy aunt. I am a crazy ant all the way, dude. And you know what's crazy about the ants too? No. They're nutritional diversopists.
They take think about it. They take all these diverse clippings of these leaves, the ones that we like the best too. Interesting. Frustrating when you're a cultivator. But they take them back to their, cities that they build down there, the only other thing that builds a city, and they harvest the fungus off of that. They cook, you know, off your nutritional diversity. So they also show us a a wet you know? I think ants are crazy. The only insects that have agriculture,
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they go to war. So if you gonna put 2 different kinds of species ants in a jar, nothing will happen. But if you're gonna shake the jar, one species will not survive. Okay. But you have to think about, do they go to war, or do they have a something the hand that shake the jar? So what we wanna do is cut off the fucking dick. Right? Yes. So this one that's that's the whole fucking thing that happens in this society. There's someone who's putting us in a jar and shakes us so that we go to war to each other. We should let that let that loose because so, Brandon, you you you went out for how how how how long were you been in the jungle by yourself?
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Like, 6 years, 5 years, man. And, that was kind of my my divorce from humanity was a really long time, dude. And, and then the transitional period was a really long time, man. Like, there were and, you know, there were all those chapters where you're putting on your knees saying, like, am I really supposed to be doing this? And I don't feel like this is right. I gotta like this. Why why whatever. But, you know, now it's really been a a hero's journey, like a gladiator, thing going out, coming back. It's been just, like, totally nonstop. You know, I was just thinking, oh, fuck. It escaped me now, but damn it. I was I just I just had a thought for that earlier. Squeeze your squeeze your oh oh,
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squeeze my tongue. Yeah. Yeah. Like, squeeze your hand. Squeeze it. Then they'll remember it.
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Okay. Copy that. Well, I'm just thinking, you know, and the coming into the tribe that is forming the new city. And, you guys are actually responding to the truths and the nutritional diversity stuff that I'm telling you about. You know? Most people, they're like, yeah. That's some charlatan or or that's crazy or you know what I mean? That's not gonna work. You know what I mean? But, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to do, like, these crazy like, even dude, when I'm eating fast food in the city or I'm eating from here, I try to keep it as healthy as that I can. I'm actually going out to the farm and bringing back or having motorcycle delivered from my farm, stuff to keep up with me and one person I'm working with with fitness or whatever. Right? And, man, I I can't tell you. It's been so challenging to try to come back from nothing.
You know what I mean? And now I'm actually getting somewhere to, like, this respectable societal status, and I'm working with people. And the nutritional diversity stuff, the realest stuff that I have feel like I have to say is a credibility tiller when I'm dealing with people from, like you know, we could just after this part, every everything we've said, just call it the satanic construct. When they're in that thing, you you will lose credibility talking about this kind of stuff. You know what I mean? So it's a it's been a real now I'm at that point where I'm finding the challenge is to, to communicate to all these people, but I'm all but I'm fine. Oh, that's what I and here it is. Boom. Hand squeeze words. Like, dude, the value is in the process that you're talking about. The value the real potent value is in this secret little club.
And, I mean, I know we've only known each other for a little bit, but, man, I mean, I resonate. I clicked with Benjamin and you guys. It was, like, totally you know, Rick, I was just thinking too. It's not just Einstein's quote of coincidence is God's way of remaining in monuments. As Rick Rubin said it too, as things fall together effortlessly, you can tell something above wants it to happen. Right? And so, and and I have seen that in nature and to a ridiculous extent to where it's also a thing where you're afraid and you're sitting there trying to not afraid, but it's a challenge to frame the right delivery or if you should be doing this stage of delivery at all when you're talking with these people. And then and then you fall into this crack where you see the need, but there's not even language to address it in in in verbal.
You know what I'm saying? Then it's a tactful guidance procedure throughout, the next couple of weeks. You know, you can go so far down this natural learning thing, you know, to where you can come back and start to be doing some James Bond stuff behind the scenes. You know, it's it's righteous manipulation in a way, you know, but where you're just doing things for somebody that they can't see, but they will be thankful for later when they can. And then they look back and they're like, they see it hindsight 2020. Oh, shit. That's can dude was young, but what an old shoulder that just hit me with bang, bang, bang, like that kind of a thing. You know what I mean? So I find myself really finding, you know, that's, like, to to to sum up everything that we're saying, like, what's our mission now? What's the next action that we take as a tribe, as the crazy ass in in in purpose and in mission?
And 1000%, I think, you know, I've been working with the supplement production. I joined this guy, Rob the Banks. He does he did a successful, supplement, and I'm I'm getting all these elements together on the manufacturing industry's current infrastructure to provide something quickly and to get into that marketplace. But, well, I have a whole idea of how to revolutionize this whole thing, distribute our next caliber, but Ben actually mentioned it to me. He mentioned the idea that's been evolving out of his own mind to me and that other thing. Right. So we're not even really talking about this. Yeah. But the a whole another delivery, a whole another way of doing this, a homey practice to where you actually can get to teach the person to fish, not just give them the fish or sell them the fish even worth. Teach them to start having that relationship with nature in, like, a dietary format, in a culturable format.
Even in the rob the bank bank thing, it's just like, dude, if you can have again, just framing trying to frame this for the for the ill construct is like, you know, a cult moment if you can expose that truth and really kinda grow this. So that all being said, what would you, as the crazy ants, story holder, say as far as the next 10 steps for building that and growing this and making sure it remains valuable and has only the right people, but the right people that we haven't met yet, like the future callings, like I just was to the to the pack. Right. So so the thing is that that,
[01:13:57] Unknown:
once you once you get in a in a in a network, because that's that's first thing. Right? You you gotta be in the in the in the right network. Then you have to be aware of what what kind of, talents everyone has.
[01:14:11] Unknown:
So for for example Well, I asked you because you're Kane.
[01:14:17] Unknown:
So so the thing is the thing is, once you shape so okay. The the the easiest part will be this, to to to cut it down a little bit more than than just like a long blah blah blah talk. You have a goal that you can accomplish by yourself, but you go faster and stronger with more people. But you have to be aware of what the goal is, and you have to have a vision how to proceed to that goal. Then all the characters in play or all the people in your network will have their role to get you to that goal. And the best thing is if you have to gather the same goal, then it will eventually work. So it's like a military op. Everyone has this has this, ability. Everyone has this talent.
But, you know, of course, there are some commanders that are really good what they're doing, but they can do the trick without a team behind them.
[01:15:23] Unknown:
Well, well, what if the goal is, a raise in consciousness, a general raise in consciousness? You know that experiments where the they showed the monkey how to ray rinse the beef up with rinse
[01:15:34] Unknown:
rinsing the potatoes. Yeah. Yeah. So what you're gonna do then is is is actually is exactly what we're going do what we're doing right now. We are getting some knowledge of us people into the ether with a podcast. Even if I will die today, this will be out. This has resonated with with with one of the the the biggest things that we we can grab, but we can't because, you know, between us, the resonating voice, the vibration it's out there. So I think that the ether connects everything with everything. So you got fire, you got air, you got water, and you got, what's the other one? Fire, water. Shit.
The list is on now saying, that's
[01:16:27] Unknown:
Earth.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
Earth. Yes, one. Sorry. Yeah. So, but the only thing that connects with it is ether. So my point of view is but that's just my point of view. Especially be, very aware of the words that you say because it could be, it it no. They they are a lot of spells, and it should be black. To get better with that. Yeah. Yes. I agree with you. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm working on it every single day, Brandon, because that's why I got strong days. I got a strong aunt, not a weekend. I am not fucking weekend, man. I'm a strong fucker. I like what you have to say, my friend. So and and this goes back to, oh, I got a father. I don't have a dad.
That's a different word, man. I do I have a mother, not a mommy. You know, all these little things that are that are so integrated and and in or indoctrinated in our society that we don't know that we're gonna put spells out every single time. So coming back into your question, coming back to the quest, I think with all our podcasts combined and with the guests, you know, Joost, where I am right now, he he knows a lot because he was in cults of the dark side, but also of the light side. You were on a quest on several things, and especially also with permaculture, and with plant medicine.
We got, Milton from, death is awakening. No, life is a dream, death is awakening podcast. We got Davey Wavey from the Red Pill Cartel. We got Benjamin banned from the unchained brain.
[01:18:13] Unknown:
Dude Incredible.
[01:18:14] Unknown:
We we are building something, that's like
[01:18:19] Unknown:
Incredible souls, man. I have so much more explanation through all those names to do. I'm excited. But, man, every every soul so far is just incredible, mind blowing souls. I really appreciate what you're doing, and I think you're right. I think keeping at it and keeping to do with this, I'm honored to be a part of it. And that that I feel like that's a very, I I think everything you just said is a truth.
[01:18:44] Unknown:
Thank you. And and especially, I I I know a lot of people now and and and also Stein from, the the the Greyhorn Pagan podcast. So what what we're combining is some some beautiful minds. The these are critical thinking people, and they they won't be offended if you have a different point of view. That's something that I, dude, I searched for more than 50 years for the right people that I could say, like, you're talking bullshit to me because I gotta up Oh, that means a lot to me to hear it. You know? And and I I I I I had 3 friends left, and and 2 of them just one of the one of my friends, which was more than 35 years of a friend of mine, told me, like, I'm gonna skip our friendship because you are into some stuff that I do not believe about.
[01:19:37] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:19:38] Unknown:
Well, it it's my friend. You're different on a point of view, but we just skip a fucking French about 35 years about that. Okay. Fine. Fuck you. My other friend That's their friend. That person's been hijacked.
[01:19:52] Unknown:
Everyone's just been hijacked. Like we said, that person's been hijacked from their own authenticity. A real authentic person couldn't say that. Yep. And, you know, the the the flip side is also so important. I didn't mean to cut you off, but, no, I'm just thinking the flip side is also what you're saying is the most valuable thing. We're reiterating that from before. And and the flip side of it of, is so important because all these people are confined by exactly that. They can't take a person being their own individual. The reason they can't take another individual is because that's the mirror staring back at their slave shop. These themselves. It's it's mother.
[01:20:32] Unknown:
The hard spot will be if they are let let's say waking up, which I don't like the word, but let's say they they waken up to the truth. You know, I'm an Aquarius. I can tell, like, fuck you. Yeah. But I also have to be aware that when they are reaching out again to me, that I will show them support, love, and respect again. That's awesome. And that's but that's the hardest part.
[01:21:03] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:21:04] Unknown:
You know, we are humans. Right? So what you wanna do is say, you know, I told you so. Fuck you. You know, all that stuff. That's the quality
[01:21:13] Unknown:
that those pivotal old schoolers I was talking about in my journey had. That's the quality that they had. They were like, okay, We see your, we see your, all that I lose. This How do you do your business?
[01:21:29] Unknown:
Froze a little bit. I think the order was fine.
[01:21:33] Unknown:
That might be one of the most important things that's giving you. Can you hear me?
[01:21:38] Unknown:
I do hear you, but your, your image is frozen. Oh,
[01:21:43] Unknown:
wow. I know your back.
[01:21:46] Unknown:
Thinking on your back. Well, yeah, they give it was a hard time to get that podcast, man.
[01:21:54] Unknown:
Over the year, I mean, the and, I mean, that when we're talking about the super real relationship, just to catch up the freeze moment, that was that old?
[01:22:07] Unknown:
Oh, no. You froze again. Fuck. Oh, Brandon, I lost you, man. You're frozen? Okay. Okay. Well, I haven't
[01:22:22] Unknown:
I don't know. We'll see if it lets that's we say it.
[01:22:26] Unknown:
Right. Because oh, your data is is sucking, man. Somehow, they wanna they don't wanna get this this kind of messages out. You know what I'm trying to say? They're they're messing with those all the time. Well, fuck them.
[01:22:42] Unknown:
Well, this very elevated yeah. Exactly. Ready? Here it goes. That very elevated state of consciousness that you're explaining that you now have, and that and that you now need and this love and compassion that you now show to these people over and over and over again. I was just saying that's the exact quality that I was telling you the old schoolers that were so pivotal. I have to really appreciate now because you can see that they did. They set they did. They really went stepped out of their comfort zone, and they talked to somebody, and they had faith that he may not be at the conscious level where he could hear this, but I'm gonna give it to him anyway. And I do believe that they did those guys were the guys that I could've kept coming back to over and over and over again. You know? Believe it or not, you've been being out there for 6 years. That this shit was another, another ride of everything just falling into place to get me to that. Dude, I actually think just an anecdotal thing to throw in here. I actually think this started when x when I was on the run from a juvy jail. I was 13, and this other on the run dude was explaining adult was explaining to me God and teaching me all about God. And actually in Birmingham, Alabama, we're on this running hustle with the same stuff. And I'm in the rain, a 13 year old kid on in the rain on his knees shouting. I think actually something did you know, that's another thing I wanna deliver from my own experiences. There's definitely another side. I think you will maybe agree with I don't know. You know? Right? You did you were just talking about that through the Ayahuasca, but it can there's definitely this other side, man. And if you're on the right route, it it's gonna guide you. And I went on a little rant there. I'm sorry. But, no. No. No. You're fine, man. You're good. I think that's to play that old school dude now for me in in the upbringing of the younger guys is, like, super valuable. Right? So I it's, like, beautiful to hear about that those instances.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
And it's it's not something like, oh, oh, I'm gonna do that, like, just like that. It's it's hard. It's hard because you, you know, everyone, I told her that one of the podcast has a struggle. A lot of people struggling right now and and everyone has a has has something that they are afraid of or everything, they're having a hard time. And They got tackled all that. All the time. All the if if you are on walking on this path of Ayahuasca or whatever the fuck, you do not need to do psychedelics to to know that, okay, I'm here with a purpose. And and you you gotta find your tribe. And even what we're talking about just just on this podcast, it took me fucking 50 years. I'm 51 right now. It took me 50 fucking years to find real friends. And the fucking thing about this, the virtual, but I can talk to you. With snake, my friend, snake, man, dude, we we we talk every single strong, like, several hours about our plans, what we're gonna do about about life, about every fucking thing. If someone, you know, holds their head a little bit high, then we're gonna we're gonna jump into that and be high together.
It's
[01:26:05] Unknown:
really real. Yeah. Speak with you, dude. Thank you. Fuck.
[01:26:09] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. But also know when someone is a little bit down, you know, talk to them. You know? I mean, this this cold life is is sometimes it's a real hard struggle, man. I I Well I I know that Ben knows a little bit more about that about We have no we the the idea here's another thing I learned from nature. I should
[01:26:30] Unknown:
dude, we we have no option there. That's a figment of the ill construct. You can't be scared. You have to attack all weaknesses, all discomforts, and all fears. You have to attack that. You can't allow yourself to be weak or fearful at all. That doesn't exist. That luxury does not exist. From here, whoever's watching this, get that out of your system right now. You have to you you exactly. That's it. That's the hijacking. You just said it. You're right. That's they hijack you out of that exact standard, and that's a minimum standard. And that's why your health just decreases. And that's spiritual health included, mental health, all of it. Right? You have to sell that practitioners.
You have to do this stuff. If you don't do the bush push ups, you're not gonna be ready when, you're calling from God says run out and pick this bear cub out of the river bear. You know what I mean? And and so it's like we wanna be ready for whatever, whenever our duty calling, man. And that's that's like the next old schooler dynamic. Right? That's when we're really in the power group. That's when we're synced with nature's rhythm as when we are constantly taking in their challenges, operating like that old schooler, dealing with them correctly, feeling good about it, stepping into the next good the next horror court challenge with that good feeling.
No fear. No discomfort. Everything. I got this. All that shit we talked about. And then, overcoming it. You know what I mean? And and as we and then as you'll find like minded beams, and then you'll find other pack members whose cause you have to sharpen as you're you're doing now. So I really feel honored to come in contact with this, and I know it was, like, called to be, man. And, I'm excited for all the future discussions and productivity that could come from this. And, you know, that question you asked if the devil's real, it's like, yeah. Alright. And, you know, and you gotta know what it is. Like, game on. You you you we got one life to live. Right? So Right. He strikes
[01:28:46] Unknown:
broadest. Slash it. Right? I mean, what could happen? You can't survive this life either. So would you fight for it, what you got? Or would you just say, okay.
[01:28:56] Unknown:
Die. I die. Wings in stage 2. Wings in stage 2. Yeah. It's gotta be the number one mission. Wings on stage. And then and then and to get those wings, it's gonna be dignity, morality. You know what I mean? We're on the holodeck, so they know what we really did. They know what we're really doing. It was also on the mic speaking of the psychedelic conversation being a childhood Mike Tyson fan. Right? All his hot boxing with Mike Tyson, podcast episodes, and he's just explaining his DMT. One of those experiences, like, the pinnacle, download in my my whole theory. Right? Is the he's like, everyone could see. I I had no, secrets. They could all see and totally exposed.
And while we're while we're on the fund exchange, then there was another one, Joe Rogan. We talked Duncan Trussell talks he says what he saw is a highlight reel coming off of us when people did excellently beautiful things like charity for a homeless kid in private without wanting credit and all, you know, but, you know, $100 bill or something. You know? Highlight goes up to some mainframe of that kind you know, incredible Olympic is where bloop. He saw these, like, highlight reels from the holodeck of light that we're in, which to me, I can clearly see is the seed test. Right? It's like, you're gonna grow. You're not. And there's a divine gate keeping tribe making intelligence at the top doing what we're doing, making sure that it stays only the good. So, like, your ears are we're like, we're doing the right thing.
[01:30:37] Unknown:
Yes. 100%. Brandon, tell me, how do you study plant medicine? Because you you you did in your 5 to 6 years in the jungle, you you had, of sure, for sure, a lot of challenges. But how did you came to study, like, 60 plants? How how do you do that?
[01:30:57] Unknown:
Oh, well, I I just can't give a number because society wants to be given the number. Right. But you need a right. But you need a high if you you know, let's just say, like, the howler monkey of Central and South America, for example. You know? This the the ecologists have followed this and and seen that it eats a 120 different species, and they've got the species logged. That's one way of looking at it. Right? That's a very textbook classroom way of looking at it. Right? And then but when you're sitting in nature, what you actually see is, oh, they eat it all. They eat it all. They discriminate. Oh, they, you know, they like this a little bit more than this. Right? And then you and then you go back to you can go back to the books. You know, for said in the 1400, everything's a remedy, and it talks and it's the dose that decides. That's true. Right? You know? Too much water, isn't it? But then then but, again, if you're looking at nature and you're just existing in nature, you're, you're going slow and carefully.
You're not running around like a psychotic product of society that can't stop. You know what I mean? I I I got that. I got severe PST, TSD. That's why it led me into the jungle. You know? That's what led me into the jungle is. So, anyway, I, you in the jungle, what you see or in nature anywhere. It doesn't have to be the jungle, but the jungle is a great place because it's that equatorial zone where nature is on steroids, man. You're not gonna get higher, more dense growth culture than than that. So Right. Being there that does does help. It's a fun place to endeavor on the what should be a principle science of humanity. But, dude, it's, like, it's it's not even in in its infancy of a study. You know what I mean? We've been so far. That's why I'm just like, dude, good job, devil. Because we're so separated from the reality, the truth, that and then here's another thing. Like, I think as far as if our goal is to get long the range in Einstein even said it. Pay attention to nature. You'll understand everything better. It's the longest lasting technology.
It's the more it's what the universe is giving us, but we're just ignoring it or whatever. You know what I mean? And cultivating our egos. And, what now listen. E evil is a tool. Mike Tyson, they hypnotized him to punch through the you know, we have got amongst men in the ring. Right? So Right. We have these we have these tools. They're not us. They're tools under us. But wouldn't it be great if we could convince these stupid slaves that are outgoing, their intelligence that we want them to have? You know what I mean? To start thinking that they are their own eagles, and that's what their that's their that's the tip of the spear. That's not the tip of the spear. That's, like, way down here on on yeah. That's not even in the tip of the spear. That's in, like, the the the near the feathers.
Right? So but but it but it it's a tool, and it and it could be your self destructing device. Right? So we have to understand, like, the wholeness of each super freaking dynamic, and that's why you can tell that academia is removing us from where we're supposed to be and making people stupider and giving where do we get modern agriculture from now? But, interestingly, modern agriculture does go back. That's why I said those, images that he generated with that AI project were spread, dude. Yeah. Dude, because because, you know, and I'm from New Mexico. So for they take kids to the Kiva now. Hey. They're ancients even worshiped the corn god. That carbon dead biology records go goes from grass seed to corn kernel in the in the amount of an instant. You know what I mean? And and and and listen. Agriculture is to agriculture is the binary language of slavery, man. We're supposed to roam like every other animal. As an old you know, I've been an alternative.
I'm published at the United Nations Food and Agriculture Journals for being an agritulturist, but I'm actually an antiagritulturist. We need to work in a symbiotic process with nature. Okay? And nature doesn't nowhere does it give us the message that we are the master. And, because I do have hybrid ideas for us. The as far as, like, using drones to, exponentiate the ability. But, honestly, we should even do that because this is the solution for homelessness. This is the solution for non, violent incarceration. This is the solution for war. This is the solution for warmongers. You know what I mean? And the most more diverse, nature that functions to protect itself to greatly, which nature actually does. You just all see we just don't. The populace does just doesn't see it. And, but if we were able to do it exactly that loudly, we would never even be in a war on this movie. You know what I mean? And and it's yeah. And it's like that, in fact, never be in a war. That is so fucking stupid and way back there. You know what I mean? That it wouldn't even be a conscionable consideration anywhere near the stack of thought as we went at challenges.
You you know what I mean? And, and bro, from the Cleave Baxter test of the 19 sixties where we start to re realize that shit you were talking about where there is communication, there is transport of communication. We are totally removed from the real science that could be very well nuclear. I mean, right now, using a compost post, this is just basic baby step shit. People don't understand. Using a compost heap, I can generate electricity from my house. You know what I mean? Using a river, you know, using a river, I can generate, you know, through natural process. We can, actually have, at the end of the dead, a 50,000,000 times more nutritious, healthy, in line with the universe process of living and lifestyle than what we're using today. In fact, I even saw it just recently on the Star Trek episode. So it is our future. You know what I mean? That a race could be it's a it is one vein of potential future that a race could start to really embrace its nature, which we're gonna have to, ma'am. And, even in the understanding of terraforming new worlds, Elon, right, or whoever or whatever this is. You know what I'm saying? But what this is just a basic, a baby step understanding that I'm getting kind of irritated with people, the amount that people ignore it.
And, you know, when I've actually really got functional experiments in front of me that we should be doing. You know what I mean? And, they you know, there's an algae experiment going on in Austin, Texas Texas right now that's had such significant results. Like, they're restarting pieces of the Sahara with this algae insert into soil and stuff like that. That that's caught the attention of JFK. And again and so we gotta prove we do have to pay attention to what gets, you and I, what gets significant results for people in this journey because that's what gets paid attention to eventually on the large scale also.
[01:38:39] Unknown:
Oh, shit. And there he was. He just I just lost him. I think his phone died, or, maybe he's gonna come back. I don't know. Wow. What a crazy, conversation we have already about tribes, about crazy ants, about, the things you can find in nature that really connects with you. And, the thing is, we are nature. And everything, let's say, that it's the devil, tries to get you out of that way. He wants to disconnect you with nature. Because in the end, when you die, you will scattered all over the universe because some bugs will eat you if you die, and you'll you just are in a coffin. These bugs will be eaten by butter by by butterflies, not by butterflies.
They're they're not fucking carnivores. Okay. He's trying to get in again. But birds will eat, eat the bugs. Birds will shit you out somewhere on this planet. And, other things are, eating the birds, so you will scatter all over the place in the of us, the birds.
[01:39:57] Unknown:
So about that. I'm so sorry. Are you gonna be able to join this together?
[01:40:02] Unknown:
Yes. Of course. But I was just filling up the space because I knew you were coming back because you were just were a great rant about, you know, we are nature, man. So I think your phone died or your data died. What happened, man? It.
[01:40:16] Unknown:
Yeah. We're nature. Exactly.
[01:40:19] Unknown:
I I was Great. I was just telling the the audience, like, and and you know how how how we know that that we are nature. If you die, bugs are gonna eat you up. These bugs have been eaten by and I would say it again, butterflies. Butterflies don't eat bugs. Right? Or do they? No. They eat leaves. But, these these bugs will be eaten by, birds. The birds are gonna shit you out all over the fucking place. Birds will be eaten, and you would basically, when you die on a natural course, everything in nature is gonna take care of you that you are been all over the universe, dude.
[01:41:00] Unknown:
Yes. You just said it. You just said it. Yeah. Man, that was really, ultimate wording there, bro. That was that you are the ultimate wording champion right there, man. I'm gonna be using those.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
But it it's it's so it's it's so fascinating that, I think it was an, a test that they did in I think it was in New York. So they had 10 people that volunteered to, be on the farm and work for the farm. Right? And Okay. 10 other people, students were just, like, doing the basic stuff that you have to do. I think it it took, like, 2 or 3 months when they came back to the to the university. And, the, the professor said, what did you learn? And, the people from the farm said, oh, we learned so much about, you know, day and night, about the crops, all that stuff.
And, we really like to be out in nature and to take care of our own food and stuff like that. And he asked the same question to the people that were just living in the city doing the stuff. And he said, well, it it was already there. So they didn't learned anything. But now comes the fun part. The people from the farm were actually telling the professor and the other students, like, we feel a little bit guilty. And they said, why? Because we didn't do anything. We only worked for about 10 hours of strong to get the things going, you know, to to to plant all the stuff.
The the birds are taking care of the rest. You know, everything in nature has a purpose to to, to soil the ground, to take care of the bugs, to bugs taking care of all the stuff. Everything has a fucking purpose in nature, so we don't have to do anything. We have to keep an eye on it, but the crops grow themselves. So they had a really good time, And he said, we feel just like a little bit guilty about that we didn't do anything. And the people Yeah. I think that's the natural step and the regression. Natural thing. You get to be in nature. You're just like, what did you did to do? Oh, today, we went outside. We were, you know, harvesting some stuff. That takes some time. You know? And then maybe you work 12 hours or 13 hours, but then you harvest it. You don't have any purpose than maybe conservating or whatever the fuck you're gonna do tomorrow with the stuff that you harvest. So you gotta let it dry, or you're gonna prepare ill? I mean, that's the baby step raising consciousness that society as a whole needs, man. You know, right now, we are operating with zero guilt
[01:43:48] Unknown:
for some of the tragic, ridiculous shit we do to a living environment. And it's because it's because of this impressive disconnection. We don't feel it anymore. Though that in that you're touching on see, that's the hardest part about this is being a real boy in a fake world, man. It it makes you wanna cry constantly. It makes you real real emotions, you know, constantly. When you get out here to nature and start eating the diverse diet that you were intended to do, and you can find that 50,000,000 ways. Genesis 129. I give you all CBRE and plants that eat for food. Whatever. You know? Look at nature. Look at the animals what they're doing. Oh, I could do oh, man. Oh, shit. I feel so much better. I I I I feel so much stronger. I produce so much more pheromones. I stay more. I I my fingernails are thicker. My hair is glowy more. You know what I mean? Now I'm starting my cognition levels raise you the awareness where I see the mistake in the culture.
You know what I mean? And I have to and now I have this responsibility. I have to tell the next guy about it. Right. I kind of actually coming from the hellacious, homicidal syndrome I was coming from, I actually didn't even yeah. That that high hardcore feeling of responsibility to communicate this to other people until Rosa started getting at me, actually. And that's an interesting that I said that story at the beginning of this podcast because, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that she yeah. That she and then almost as if that tree that tree touching experiment when she came up to me and hit me with that, like, you know, I am 17 years into my mission.
I'm 55. I can see that you've been sent to me, son. Right? Right. Whatever. Right? To be the communicator of this to the to the masses. You know what I mean? Fine. You know? I mean, not to pat myself on the my own back or nothing, but, you know, finally, a young disciple actually understands this to the level that you do and verbal speaking. And I when I received the communication, it was like a mule jumped up and kicked me in the face. Oh, yes. You'd and it was it was it was it was 15 months down the path of making content for the you know what I mean? That that branch. And I've known her since 2014.
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Oh, But that that's the thing. Once you get into that, let's say into your own divine consciousness, that by meditating, by listening to yourself, by being the fucking nut job as I am, walking with a squirt, bare feeted in the fucking nature in December in the Netherlands, I don't give a shit, man. No. We're the nut jobs. We're the nut jobs. But the thing is, especially with some things that you some knowledge that you get or like a movie. No. When you see a movie like, oh, that is like the best movie ever. We're gonna shout it out off the fucking rooftop. Nobody's gonna listen.
The only thing that you can do is say, okay. I got some real good stuff that you can maybe check out if you're, you know are you a movie fan? Oh, yeah. Fuck. I love movies. Oh, here's the kind of movie that I I saw that I really liked. So you will be very much more, less enthusiastic. But you you you give them the knowledge or the the the bread crumbs to to to check it out.
[01:47:39] Unknown:
And then, eventually, they will look and say, wow. That was a great thing. That goes with everything, with the knowledge that you have with plant based, but with with with nature, all that stuff, you can shout it up. You you can shove someone Well, I think you're right doing the podcast. Like, that answer you gave earlier, I think that really is truly right. And I didn't realize that until 15 months down the road. Like I said, I thought all this shit was the freaking enemy. I thought this is how people are getting so sick. But now I'm seeing the path illuminates as you walk it. You're not gonna walk all these paths. You know? Now I'm seeing that, that this is actually the play the only crack maybe. You know?
I really do take what you're doing seriously, man, and I really respected your response when you explained that because I'm I'm learning right now at this very last 6 months chump of time that, oh, shit. This is where free minds are actually able to speak above and check it out. All the consistency, the rhythm and nature, and all our different personalities that have been unlocked is we can't leave the guys behind. And that is like that is it all makes sense right there, actually, because that's the impression that we need to adhere to, you know, that sacrificial. It's it's about it's about everybody else, panning that we need to adhere to that makes us survivable
[01:49:15] Unknown:
the longest in nature. Yes. What what we are doing right now is and I I get you, man, because I got the same thing, like, oh, oh, being on Zoom and stuff like that. You know? Or they pointed out just for, you know, that everybody can, when when when when the fights and whatever the ill attitude. And I Yeah. And I had it And they they had they had to put it up because they can work from home and then you can, you know, your boss is gonna check-in you. Just like all this technical stuff and all this this stupid stuff they're gonna put on the television, all that stuff. But now I think like, wait a minute. When I have the same technology, 10 years ago, I couldn't be like a producer by myself, you know, editing videos and stuff like that. There wasn't software. There was no hardware to do that. Now I can produce the stuff that I wanna get out, and everybody gets to, you know, whatever I say, don't take for granted. Do your own research. Right? But if you resonate with it and if you feel like, oh, wow. This is this is kind of cool stuff. Thank you. You know? Thank you. Dude, thank you for that. You know? You have to have Thank you for doing that. Yes. You gotta do but you got there's no other way I can talk to the world in the most easiest way. You know, I maybe I could get, you know, be be a famous guitarist or whatever the fuck or or artist. And then I'm gonna gain some audience. And then I'm gonna gain some some public speaking. And then I can say my message. But now I just gonna record this message, put it out, and the ones that listen resonate, and and otherwise, they would say, like, oh, dude, you gotta check out this podcast. Wow. Thank you. You know?
[01:50:58] Unknown:
I think the code dude 1,000 and all those deliveries are are very effect those are the deliveries. Those artistic deliveries to the senses, 1,000. And I think in the word sense, what we're doing right here, the thing to say to modern culture from our side is, dude, if you just care what everyone else thinks and you live in that frame, there's no way you're ever gonna get to your destiny place ever because you're living and being framed by what's cool, what everyone thinks, what the job thinks, and we all we gotta know we gotta know that we can outperform the paycheck in quality of life even if it's not even if it's not a you know, you gotta create the paycheck and then seed your tribe ranks with, it's either 1 or 2. You either walk like Ken or you create a whole new paycheck. And and I have to say real fast. I have to say what that is. This is this is this is this is where this is where we go, tribe. Okay? This is this is the place. We go out here and we do this thing called gorilla permaculture, which I'm already figuring out, which is growing a permaculture on land that you specifically do not own. Nobody's we specifically don't own it. That's the biggest scam besides the the money, you know, I print here you go. I'll use that. You know, here's something you'll use the amount for me. Right? You know what I mean? Stab a big a flag. Write a document. You didn't make this land. You know what I mean? And you went and oh, wait. You killed all the people that thanked above for it.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Oh, me. You know what I mean? So we're not working for you anymore. We're going out here. We can we don't need you to send through the distributed toxic and fuck food system, and we're gonna grow on land that we don't own. That's animals. That's with all we it's already all there. So we can just enhance that nature, and we can go out there as a tribe of truth, living, bold spirits, integrating with the universe as we were intended to in this holodeck natural thing, and then, produce, oh, this wonder wonderland parrot avatar movie paradise with all these new cultivars. And, dude, I could show I can make you a kitchen meal right now. You'll be like, what? What what have I been eating? You know what I mean? Because this person from this tribe grows this, and it's a whole different flavor. It's all different nutritional spectrum, and it's minus all the chemical stuff. You know what I mean? And now you're thinking on a whole new level. You're presenting on a whole new level. Dude, it was a couple years ago. I didn't even talk to people. I was just saying, I don't have anything to say to you. You know what I mean? I don't have anything. I don't I don't have anything to hear to you. You know what I mean? I can't wait to go listen to that, and you just shook up.
And it's was like, that was really truly my attitude. And through that, I felt that just like the Rosa's original tribe. You know what I mean? These people never they wanted to reintegrate. It's through this sacrificial do for others. Don't leave them behind. Don't let them keep killing and destroying this nature, this ever so patient and loving nature, you know, and, and next to for let's fulfill our destiny roles standing up and fighting for this stuff. Right? So we go up and and see that's the thing. Once we can if we could establish this now and we could do it with drones, dude, here's the really the master put like, one, like, you could if we could get you know what I mean? And then you could have a that society would accept for maybe some kind of programming investment. I don't know. I'm just actually looking because I know you could do this completely organically, and there's thousands of people out on the street that need to do this right now. You know? And but how to facilitate it? You know what I mean? You do need to just because, generationally, we have not established this for ourselves.
We do need to make that quick dip and leverage the money system and get some financing to this, but establish the real deal people and the real deal land, which is everywhere. And we think he's been making I even experimented with some kids a couple years ago in a volunteer program making an app to where we could be like, alright. Here's the way. You know what I mean? We can get this new because, dude, even the agriculture information, it is out there, but you gotta specifically look for it. It's hard find. You gotta really do your research. And if you really wanna get there, then you gotta bite off stuff like Rudolf Steiner's biodynamic agriculture.
[01:55:49] Unknown:
And and now Rudolf Steiner is is is a is a is a gold word when it comes to that stuff. The the the thing is, living in the Netherlands, we are, I think, the second place with a very small country of the biggest food producers in the world. So what the when they cultivate the land right here, the farmers, I don't know if you know anything about a farmer protest and stuff like that. They wanna, so the government wants to buy all the land or they're gonna throw them away, and some of the farmers already killed themselves.
[01:56:23] Unknown:
So okay. Because this is the answer for that too. Yes. So so, Dar, the thing the thing is,
[01:56:30] Unknown:
the farmers built the Netherlands. They they were called, of course, like, a few 100 years ago, pagans. They word into the Roman, Christian kind of stuff. They they were just doing cattle and and harvest some stuff on the land, and they got good in it. So when you're talking to a farmer here in the Netherlands, you you probably talking to, a heritage of several 100 of years of being farmland in the family, cultivating the land on the most beautiful way in nature with nature. Yeah. So what happens really here is, imagine that you can't build your crop or grow your crop on every single piece of our world.
Because it's the world's a very harsh environment. Right? So you got mountains, you got snow, you got, a lot of, sand, like like deserts and stuff like that. So, Europe, especially the place where I live, like the Netherlands is is very, greenish. So you have a lot of crop. The thing is, once a government is gonna tell you that you can't do that anymore, that's really not only hard for the families of these farmers. It's really hard for the fucking world. So what you can do is print your fucking meat, spray your fucking crop, give you fake whatever the fuck. You see it already on Tik chat. It has more corporate troubleshoot.
Yes. The thing, this right thing is Yeah. The app. Mhmm. Yeah. The other thing is when you when you, coming back to you, what what you're saying about your paycheck, a paycheck was in the in the early days called salary. That word comes from salt. Salt was very, very expensive. It contains a lot of minerals, which was good for you. Right? So when you got a paycheck, you got some grains of salt. Nowadays, you can find salt, especially table salt everywhere. The first thing you should do when you are at home is throw away all the fucking table salt. Take Himalaya pink, Himalaya salt, or Celtic sea salt. These are the real salaries.
But coming back to your word, like the paycheck, nowadays, we see a paycheck with the money that comes in. Money doesn't have any value if I gonna say, like, okay. Here's a piece of paper. I'm gonna write that $100. If you say it's worth $100, it has to be worth for some other people worth Yeah. $100. When I come with €100 to America, I say, here, you got €100 to say, what the fuck is that? I can't Yeah. What should I do with it? Right? So it depends on how we think about paycheck. If you have paycheck with the community that you are with a lot of people working on the land, doing the stuff with the children, with, educate them, being together, making a bonfire, eating stuff, you know, all that stuff. That's the fucking paycheck, dude.
Totally. They've been close your eyes, and you are at rest and have all this did this like, wow. When you have that, and that is called your paycheck, you're the most richest people in the world, man.
[01:59:57] Unknown:
So true. Even if you were to build something inside the ill society, if you built it for love, the product would be 10 times different and better and more glorious than if you built it just to get the profit thing. Because this is like an intermarry intermarryant way of explaining it. But a couple of things I thought of when you were talking about that, like, in the sense of Holland, I'm very familiar with Holland's agriculture, and they are very cutting edge, especially with flowers and fruits and different and and and also in in cannabis and just the you know, they've hit the magazines for incredible stuff all the way, but they are primary monoculture, modern agriculture place. And this whole protest, all this upset and everything, dude, they could totally pivot, reroute.
It okay. They could pivot, reroute, start growing new things and new places in a new way. Alright? And they don't even need that that whole thing. And I think the the the government trying to come at that in some sort of, like, aggressive way, especially if they were using the species. See, we're all with even right there, it's just like, we wanna grow what we wanna grow. We don't wanna eat what's provided in that region. You know what I mean? We're gonna make it grow the tasty, the good stuff. Not everything, you know, take your bitters. That's a phrase from old school childhood. Right? You know, you we know a a spoonful of sugar helps medicine go down. We know some of these highly nutritional substances, caffeines and all this stuff and stuff that we get stimulants. They're bitter. They're not the best tasting things. You know? The and and and and they wanna get off the right. Yeah. Lots of those different, ingredients are pungent on the senses in an unpleasant way. And some of those, including hot foods, spicy foods are some of the most medicinal, most athletic performance supportive, substances out there. Right? So Mhmm. But we negate those facts and give me the sugar shack which causes bone decay, tube decay, right, all these kinds of things, these crazy, refined excess, dude. I can't you can't find too many crops that'll damage you. They you can't find too many plants in nature that will damage you. Like, that's hard to do. Again, you know what I mean? That is a old into ancient devilish intelligence that knows more about biology than anybody else. I mean, it's poisonous in us in this really specific, excellent, impressive way. You know? And there's 1,000 of those. You know what I mean? And then, so, you know, you know, the black magic stuff, the cocaine, the you know what I mean? All these other, you know, that that is those are, you just distillations and and concentrations, from from nature and and extreme applications. That that's what I'm saying. If we just go to hold food, animal, natural natural consumption here, fuck it, dude. Forget guru permaculture. Okay? How about nature culture?
We just go eat what is there, dude. We don't need their system. We this is all a lie. We just figure out what's right in front of us wherever we're at. You know what I mean? And start using that. And, back to the basics is that, the is everything is a toxic and a remedy. It's the dose that decides. So figure out what that dose is plus homeopathic medicine was generally initiated. The idea that you take a known toxic dose of something and build up your immune system stronger to it. And we've seen several, cultures in history as well. Fear, yours is also right. The and and and ancient culture where they do, they veer away from the the comforts and constructs of other men, and they get into the wild nature and ambition and motivational, spiritual, wonderful, freaking place.
You know what I mean? And they're like, y'all are idiots. You know what I mean? And that that process can happen again in a very strong way. And and, yeah, it just comes down to how to to to assure that in, which it seems like this is the way to do it. And, hopefully, the right people, like, hear this and, get in touch with us, and our our tribe grow grows with those extra valuable souls. And, this thing just really goes nuclear be because why wouldn't this science be just as entrepreneurial as rockets to Mars? You need the science.
You need the science to go do shit like that.
[02:04:51] Unknown:
Yes. And and the the the the the great thing about what you just said is that it's really very easy to achieve because if we don't buy the stuff that they produce, that we know that's fucked up, they won't produce it after a while because there's no business model about producing stuff that nobody buys. So if you go to the grocery store and you just cut out, like, 80 5, maybe 9% of all the products that have been there, and you don't feed your little children that are so precious to you with this with the sugary stuff and all that stupid bullshit that doesn't allow that doesn't have to be in in in your fucking system, They they they not gonna produce that anymore.
So maybe they can, give you the printed beef burger from, from, Bill Gates. But if you're gonna tell him, like, fuck off. I don't want that. He's not gonna produce that because there's there's no way to keep a factory going when nobody's gonna buy the stupid stuff that you're gonna produce. And do that. Easy like that, man. I mean, I I'm I'm very fortunate fortunate that I live here in the Nellis that I go to a farmer and to get some real eggs from from from, chickens that walk around in the farm. I can get my cucumber, tomatoes, all that stuff, all plant based. And there's
[02:06:14] Unknown:
yeah. And there's a million species. So what we gotta do, I'm I'm I'm figuring from this conversation, is we gotta support the small farmer who uses the least toxic cultivation method dates, and we gotta start trying to eat what just naturally goes around us, you and me, and then share that information with each other and others and start to create cooking and fermentation and, fresh eating concoctions with those ingredients because there's it's everywhere. Right? So it's just imagine
[02:06:48] Unknown:
They don't need that much. So, man, the first thing what you gotta do is is, when you're waking up tomorrow, figure out like, okay, when do I really want something, and what can I put in my body to ease the hunger? Because here in the west world, we do not have, like, grave for hungry. You know, we we can't be hungry.
[02:07:11] Unknown:
Or can I subsidize my nutrition with a little bit of that all?
[02:07:17] Unknown:
Key. So you got Okay. You know, first of all, you got something like interminate fastening, which which is could could really help you with the benefit of your health and about your balanced food and the stuff. Stuff like that. And then if you're gonna put something inside of you, take some high fats like olive oil, coconut oil, or or some some nuts. Dude, I can go for 2 or 3 hours on on few nuts. You know, chew them really you don't take that not look at it just like, wow. That's beautiful piece of nature I got here. It's coming from a tree. It took like one season to grow that. And somebody harvest this, this beautiful knot. Look at it, smell it, feel it. It feels like nature, Right? It feels like something really organic. Put it in your mouth. Wait just one second before you're gonna chew it, and you're gonna consume it.
Dude, that nut will be like,
[02:08:12] Unknown:
holy fuck. That will Yeah. You do truly want to yeah. Yeah. No. I love what you have to say. You do truly want to diversify. I would say 90% of your living foods because most of your meats, you're gonna be cooking, so they're not living anymore. But I would like to say eat get, start start to subsidize your diet as much as you possibly can with things that you grow on your own with those kids who were just talking about who will actually finally eat grains in in amazement. Like, woah. I do this. Oh, I can do this. Super happy experience that they need, that they've been removed from also. But then if you can go out to nature and start learning the things that are around you that are herbal, that it's all, dude. It's all it's all, you I've been doing this for a long time, man, and a lot of people will argue with me. A lot of agriculturalists from Holland right now will argue with me about potential of actually oh, you can't do that. That's crazy. Talk good, bro. You will hear it, man. And you know what I mean? But I I continue to, press. You know what I mean? That please try it before you make that argument. You know what I mean? And, and, and and I think that we can completely 1000% derive a way better nutrition that's in the grocery store. I mean, quantum leap is better nutrition than what's in the grocery store. In fact, I don't think we there is no the way I understand biology now, there is no human way. There's no universal way that we are experiencing what we're supposed to be experiencing, eating such a limited, narrow, toxic nutritional spread. You need this highly diverse you know what I mean? Yes. Meats are great. I love what Sean Baker, another new Mexican, is doing with the carnivore diet and Jordan Peterson and all these guys, and that's all great, and it's very scientific. And and so is the fasting. And in fact, do a 4 day fast and a 5 day fast. Right before you walk up to that spiritual plant, you're having that intense high level intuition about that no one's having and find out what it really is on a 4 day empty stomach and then put the leaf in the lip and then swallow it if there's no heavy reaction right here after a couple hours. Right? And then, I'll get some more of it until you find the what society would call the medical effect of minimum effective dose.
And and, now you've got that. Now you know what this plant is really talking about. It might even say something to you. You know? And then, and then and then you know how to use it all of a sudden in this grand diverse combination that's right in front of us that we walk right by and piss on and do a piece of trash into. But when we clear a piece of land, specifically, all those herbs that come in from the higher intelligence regardless of a bird or a beer, whatever you speak, it is now in mind from your classroom. All that stuff that comes in is totally healing herbs in the proper doses.
But then once you find once you start then then leave all that shit behind too. Because once you start actually eating the nutritional diversity, all that toxic guy toxic cation information goes to out the window as well because Oh, yes. You have the proper yeah. If you have the proper diversity, what was once a toxin even at that measured dose when you're doing the fasting example is now a key ingredient to this nuclear strategic diet you've put together because you went out there and you did all these crazy steps that everyone's gonna call crazy. You know what I mean? And then you finally got to this place where you can make the dynamic intuition that all these animals in nature that you think are so much dumber, but they have that cognition that you'd be robbed from. And then I think just saw this coming together. Now we have our true human potential. You know what I mean? And, ma'am, I I wanna also say I am a student in the infancy stages of this as well. You know what I'm saying? I have 1 or 2 or 3 concoctions that I might make, and then they get a little bit more dynamic. But, man, this can go on forever, and you can Yes. Totally, totally, totally a runner from fucking Barbados who's already smoking. Everybody can go fuck around out here and come up with some shit to add seconds to his sprint time. 1000%.
And this is that's what I'm saying. Like, this pursuit can go on for so long. And then and then and and I don't wanna mislead people. The human relationship, cultivating nature between us, it's hugely important. We're not gonna we're gonna come like, but I'm just even realizing through this conversation. 1st, let's break off and do this hardcore rugged natural thing. Now let's come back and do this more delicate strategic cultivation thing where we're actually doing biochars and terrapadas and these high level organic knowledges from Rosa, from all these other different sciences. And we're doing an enhanced nature garden. There's smokes anything we've never even seen before.
[02:13:24] Unknown:
That's it. But that's it. It's built for it. Our planet is built for that. Not for the soy, not for the stupid stuff that we're we're we're we're the concrete jungle that we're living in and that they wanna put us in. Like Which is not a bad endeavor.
[02:13:41] Unknown:
We we It's not a bad gained some things from it. But it's like it's like it's like the weak position metaphysically that I was saying you have to attack. I'm not gonna blame you if you get hit by a truck and you need a few days to learn to walk. But if you stay there in that misguided victim mentality, if we stay here in this misguided harmful fucking format for so long now that we can blame ourselves for. Yes.
[02:14:08] Unknown:
Yes. Brandon, I oh, man. This is a great conversation. We touched base on so many things. I really love to talk to you, man. But time flies when you want this organized budget. We're already 2 2 hours and a little bit in. I was 1? Yeah.
[02:14:25] Unknown:
I was like, when is this gonna end? But, hey,
[02:14:29] Unknown:
Well, let's wrap let's wrap it up. What what's your, what's your last train of thought that you want to, share with, with the audience?
[02:14:38] Unknown:
I'm super grateful to be here on your podcast, and we connected with you, bro. I get to know you this way. I am enlightened by this entire process, which I didn't think I would be. I'm in utmost respect for you and Benjamin who has found this delivery format and importance, and has taken action, not just discovered it, but has taken action and stood up to that call and responsibility because I know it's good with you guys in the face of all these evil beings, which is, like, the utmost pose, posture, and and courage that we we need so bad. Like, that's really what I see is, like, coming back from nature to society. It's like, everybody's wrapped in so much fear and fakeness and avoidance of their destiny calls and responsibilities and duties to do the good things and to do the honest things and to you know, a lot of people were just, like, guilty of letting go live. Right, man? And, you know, when it comes to these hardcore missions and these hardcore challenges, we really learned the hardcore truth that you're one of the ones worst ones. If you just stand there and let the the child get abused and not do and be okay with that and send that signal that it's okay to the abused thing or or you know what I mean? We can't stand by anymore. So I got super and I was intimidated for this longest time to even engage with this whole scenario. And, I'm so glad I have.
And this is just another confirmation that I'm doing the right thing. So thank you, bro. And this has been wonderful. 2 hours. I'm so glad I did this, and this has been so helpful for my next delivery. It's my prayer that if anyone does find this, that maybe they do call the crazy guy with a crazy thing to say. He'll be like, let's do this. This is real.
[02:16:32] Unknown:
Mhmm. There's always a there was I I I like this one, by the way, because it has a heart in it. You know, the Mudras. I don't know how I figured this one out, but I really like this one. So it's yes. Yes. Exactly. But that that that's that's that's one of the deepest connections that you have, and that's that's that's what I wanna point out with with with this and especially you as a listener and especially you as a guest, Brandon, do whatever the fuck you want because the world needs it. Be authentic, speak out, don't hold back, and tell tell what's on your tell what's on your, on your heart, you know, because we we need that. We need that kind of stuff. And, don't be afraid about, you know,
[02:17:18] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm a and realize that nature is a disorganized production.
[02:17:24] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Which is organized in a way to you know? That's by the way, this is, this is my puppet. It's my disorganized puppet. Mhmm. That loves it. That's like, wow. Wow. So that's it. That's it. You know? And live life through the fullest. Have respect and and love to each other, even if it's really hard. Just like I mentioned in this podcast, sometimes it's really hard to give some love to some people that fuck you over or whatever. But you say, okay. You know what? Okay. Don't wanna deal with it anymore. That's okay. That's okay. But the other is if they come back and they're wounded, give them the stuff that you would also when you fucked up. You know?
That's that's something that's, and and it's just like say, it's not like an easy thing to do, or even for me when this, will happen to me. But I think that that's that's gracious, and that's the humbleness that you have to have to support each other in in this in this fight. Because sometimes life is a fucking fight, man, and it's not even, you know, don't judge judge a book by its cover. And sometimes you have to read between the lines what's really going on with some people. And everyone is,
[02:18:37] Unknown:
struggling and fighting their fight. You know? And, yeah. It's for you too. Deep deep eyeballs go to deep places.
[02:18:46] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. And for all your listeners out there, thank you for listening to this episode of this organized productions. Have a beautiful day, beautiful night, or beautiful evening, beautiful morning wherever you are in this beautiful plain planet. Thank you. He wasn't always kind, and he couldn't fulfill my dreams. He's a pain in the ass.
[02:19:39] Unknown:
Black as at night, god
Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby.
[00:00:04] Unknown:
What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the lore.
[00:00:30] Unknown:
Welcome fellow human to the disorganized productions podcast. The show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode, we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential, and conquer life's challenges. Hey there, fellow human. Welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions. If you wanna get get in contact with me, please be free and write an email to disorganized productions at gmail dot com.
If you want to check out more stuff that I'm doing, please check my link tree, which is also slash disorganized productions. And for all you producers out there that helped the show, that liked and subscribed, and even donate to the show, thank you. Without any further ado, enjoy the show. Hello, fellow human. Welcome to another episode of disorganized productions. Today, we got a very special guest. I'm very pumped and excited to have him here. Today, we're gonna talk with Brandon Angel. And, yes, Brandon, please introduce yourself to the audience.
[00:02:13] Unknown:
Okay. My name is Brandon Angel. I'm a fitness enthusiast and student of nature, and I'm really happy to be here on such a incredible journey of truth and learning and, finding a tribe, a snake, clarified of truth and, you know, also on that same journey.
[00:02:37] Unknown:
Yes. Snake, dude, we know that you are all working or having a bad time, doing all the stuff that you do behind the scenes because he's fucking amazing. Dude is the bridge builder of, of of the let's say of the of one of the biggest platforms that, the world will know, especially in 2025. We're we're we're building something that's yeah. We're gonna build something that's like knocking Joe Rogan, whatever the fuck out.
[00:03:09] Unknown:
Okay. Let's go.
[00:03:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Not not to not to, you know, appreciate about Joe Rogan. But the thing that we're building here, especially with the people that we're in, especially the last couple of weeks when we strong, as I will prefer to say, is is amazing.
[00:03:29] Unknown:
It's amazing. It's impressively strong. No doubt. It's impressively strong. I'm just getting into it, but I'm just like, wow. This is invigorating, refreshing, awesome, real as nails. Like yeah. So and then and like I was saying, it's just right at that time where it's perfect. You could tell what's the quote. Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.
[00:03:58] Unknown:
Okay. Hold that one. Yeah. Just because fits. Yes. It it really fits. It's like, like, a clockwork of, of Switzerland. You know? It it it really ticks like it should tick. But you have to figure out quite some time before you, find the right pieces that fit together to make the right mechanism to make it work. And, the most people that we are gonna talk to in the group and the most people that we are that I've met for the last couple of months, probably 1 year now, are people that all struggled and then had a chance or to quit and die or to make the best versions of themselves.
And the last part is what they did. And you can feel that. You can feel that energy, like, I'm not fucking giving up. And that's something that I saw in your podcast too because you were on the podcast with Ben. Shout out to Ben from
[00:04:56] Unknown:
brain. Who are awesome. Yeah. Love. And following shoot.
[00:05:03] Unknown:
We're gonna deep dive into some of some of some real crazy stuff that you've been through and that you, get your wisdom around about plant medicine and stuff like that. But before that, we just talked very, very briefly before we hopped on the show. I wanna ask you 14 questions to get to know a little bit better, and also that the audience will know a little bit better about you. Okay. So if you're ready, I'm just gonna shoot all these questions to you. Always ready. Always ready. Okay. What's your favorite color? Blue.
What's your favorite music?
[00:05:46] Unknown:
Probably probably death metal at the end of the day. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Oh, I I got a lot of metal has in my podcast. I love that shit. Yeah. You wouldn't know, but that that's the true thing. That's what's that's what's going on in the gym. Right? So that's my whole.
[00:06:06] Unknown:
What's your favorite, movie or series? Oh,
[00:06:15] Unknown:
well, that's a tough one. I sort of kinda divorced. Well, I guess I would say that Paul Stamens production, fantastic fungi on on Netflix. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or yeah.
[00:06:31] Unknown:
That's a very good one and an interesting one. I like that one. Mhmm. What's your favorite book?
[00:06:39] Unknown:
Oh, well, I guess that might be I will say, I'll even show it to you if you don't mind. You give a true dust justice. Universal man. A way in she's so reborn by Richard Aliberti. And this is my favorite book because one of my favorite people wrote it, and he just recently passed. But, oh my god. You know, I always loved them, and it's such a special thing to be able to have this in that circumstance. So
[00:07:18] Unknown:
Right. Universal man. I'm gonna write her down. Alberti. Richard Alberti. Yeah. You got it. Alberti. Okay. What's your favorite kind of drink?
[00:07:35] Unknown:
Oh, that will be jungle juice of my own making. I'm a highly diverse, nutritious, living green electric drink that will have you doing backflips and throwing the machete and the shovel for nobody.
[00:07:52] Unknown:
Oh, love that. Mhmm. What's your favorite food?
[00:07:57] Unknown:
Oh, my favorite food would be actually, lately, let's just say, let's be adaptable. Right? Adaptability is a great measure of intelligence. So let's not get stuck anywhere, especially when diverse nutrition is my, like, message. So we'll say for right now, it's buffalo meat.
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Buffalo meat. Okay. Yeah.
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And, yeah, it's one of my favorite things to get right here in Medellin, Colombia. The cultivators of the buffalo are next level. The agriculturalists of, large mammal production at least is super hardcore. The cowboy culture here sailed through all the new, toxic, poisonous, control freak stuff. Right? So bison and and cow meat error.
[00:08:53] Unknown:
Excellent. The real good stuff. Yeah. Okay. What kind of clothing you like to wear the most?
[00:09:05] Unknown:
I'm not really you know, whatever fits the the the circumstances. Right? Let's just keep with let's keep with the adaptability and James Bond, and let's make it fit the mission.
[00:09:18] Unknown:
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The yeah. Yeah. I like that. I'm I'm still searching sometimes about what's my favorite. If I stand up, you will say, what the fuck am I looking at? But, I like to wear skirts, but I'm making my own.
[00:09:32] Unknown:
Well, I always like when I see that actually because it's a statement of embrasure of individuality, which no one can do anymore. To use Snake's wordage again, you know, the you wanna wanna be part of the tribe, not the herb, and you definitely wanna embrace your individuality and say what you have to say because otherwise, it's just boring.
[00:09:57] Unknown:
Exactly. Exactly. Brandon, what's your favorite, holiday destination?
[00:10:04] Unknown:
Oh, well, I'm gonna make it somewhere I haven't been, so I could be wrong. But, so I I got into this Muay Thai kickboxing stuff when I was younger, and a lot of my friends have gone to Thailand and done that. And it's like a must do trip. And so I've been really I've been really hoping to make that big ocean jump back over to Asia. And, I saw a little bit of it when I was deployed in the military, but, I wanna get back over there and actually have that experience, I'm thinking.
[00:10:36] Unknown:
We we're gonna get into, side of it in in quite a while. I got some stories to tell you about that. Okay. Killer. I can't wait. Okay. Last four questions. These are these are hard ones for the most of them. What's your definition of the devil?
[00:10:54] Unknown:
Oh, a very real entity that's done an excellent job convincing people it's he's not or and that, has done an an an impressive job separating people from the truth by, like, 50 stages, steps, or whatever, increments of distance and wants to continue to push him even further than from the truth even though he's already really done such a incredible, feat of it. And, you know, you have to really just, I guess, you know, know notice ultimately that this is a lower force than the ultimate good force. And, so, you know, anyone who has seriously true things to to tell us should go ahead and have every kind of faith that they'll be able to do that and and to continue to do it. It took me a little bit to figure that one out.
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Right. So what's the definition of, of god?
[00:12:03] Unknown:
Oh, well, god is, like, definitely 1000% real. It's, if you if you can earn it. You know, the only thing I care about is getting my wings in in stage 2, whatever you wanna call it. I don't think there's gonna be any semantic discussion over there. Right? And, so we can drop all that. And, I, you know, I just wanna recommend to people, I found that this excellent PlayStation game. I found this, you know, way much more than that. But just in that friendliness and that lovingness and not in any interest of, you know, pushing anything, you know, try to try to experiment with it and find out your own truth there. But for me, God is one very much the most important force, and I'm so blessed to be able to have, been touched by over there so many times. And, I continue to be an experimentalist and want to reach out to that more. In fact, I just cut everything so fast. It does they can't be reaching to that direction.
And I'm just so appreciative of anything else that I find out in my journey that's reaching in that direction. And I've seen the darkness that we can all fall to. Right? So it's like, really, really just number 1 that you cling onto that with with everything that I have.
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Right. What's your, definition or interpretation of value?
[00:13:33] Unknown:
Oh, liberation, man. Like, if you can tell me the truth in the face of lies, and if especially if I've been programmed by them and I'm following some, you know, funny Piper, Pied Piper type type character, you know, and you can get me out of that. That's valuable. You know? If you give me a grace, which is an undeserved favor, knowledge, kick down, protection, look out, hard truth. I I'm I'm very much appreciative of that, and those will be the most you know, a relationship with someone who's also on the true path. I've spent some, like, a a a an amount of time believing those people might not even exist to the fullness for you know what I mean? And, and, and and that I was just well, maybe not even myself that. Right? So I'm just super appreciative of good people who want them to go in a good direction and do good things and keep themselves in good check. And, that's all the and to have a to be able to have a meaningful relationship and exchange with those people, animals, and nature is most valuable to me. That's the value there. Wow. Wow.
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Last definition question. What's your definition of success?
[00:15:00] Unknown:
Oh, definition of success. Everything in balance, overcoming the things that I haven't done yet, overcoming the things that are hardest to do, overcoming the things that I'm most afraid of, and, being a good person to nature and everything, in the universe around me, trying to be a force of goodness and solutions for for the world as an as a as an entirety, not as a not in any kind of select way. And and, and being very balanced. And and, success would be with lots of longevity, you know, not falling into one of these points so far that the other points suffer because we just don't see that anywhere in our example.
You know? It is but it's one place that you can see pattern recognition metaphysically or whatever that society and our brothers suffer the most. Right? It's because we're right. Fall into this and the matrix is want you to just do this one thing. You know what I'm saying? It'd be that just one issue warrior, and it just becomes this this, undiverse, unbalanced, pitfall. So I think, you know, success is staying balanced and and and really attacking the weaknesses and the fears and overcoming them.
[00:16:34] Unknown:
Wow. I love this. I love this. Because I was listening to your podcast with Ben, and, boy, did you have some rough time, especially when it comes to your divorce and stuff like that and with your child. You wanna get into that a little bit so the audience knows a little bit where you come from?
[00:16:50] Unknown:
Actually, there's so much other better stuff for us to get into. And on that one and on that one, we could really just say, you know, if you're one of the people who really wants to find that law of polarity pain that was on the other side of whatever I think you know, whatever you get access to. Right? Uh-huh. And then, you know, parental discretion advised. You know? And if, you know, I really wouldn't wanna the like, watch that horrible story too much myself. Maybe we could do it something better, but unchained brand, the the master Benjamin episode 40. Right? For that whole rights thing that I that I hope never happens to anyone and and you could pass on to your 15 year old if you're worried about them getting with the wrong girl and getting trapped. Oh, yeah. It was.
[00:17:42] Unknown:
Yes. Exactly. Sometimes you don't have to be, living that moment all over again because you Right. You've been there. Right? You you have suffered from it, and that's it. So if you, just just like, Brandon says, if you wanna know more about that kind of story, listen to the episode with Ben on on episode 40. We are gonna dive into what happened afterwards because Okay. You were a fucking badass in the military. And, eventually, you you you ended up you ended up in a cave in Panama studying plant medicine. Right?
[00:18:20] Unknown:
The the the cave was actually in Costa Rica.
[00:18:24] Unknown:
The
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the journey really kicked into gear here in Colombia, just not about 1 hour from where I'm at right now. And, and then, yeah, that is a crazy thing. Right? Yeah. And I was actually a home builder for a small chapter in Philly Philadelphia in between the 2.
[00:18:49] Unknown:
So So you're now in Colombia? Yes. But you were also in Panama and Costa Rica? Yes. And you got some indigenous roots. Right?
[00:19:01] Unknown:
Well, I'm from Albuquerque, New Mexico originally, and, my mother does have some indigenous genetics. My mother is a terrible human being, but I'm moving. But, no, I I what what I I I here in Colombia, I work with an indigenous woman, and she's the best cultivator I've ever met in my life. That's still alive. There was another guy that I worked with, but he passed away. And, but, yeah, I I have actually part of the reason I've been filled called to do this is because I'm like the perfect intermediary between her and others like her. There's a lot of indigenous guys that I work with. There's a lot of really incredible people with incredible stories. Right? It's like, man, almost like the prerequisite. The 3 ways,
[00:19:53] Unknown:
yeah.
[00:19:54] Unknown:
Yep. So and and so then this meet the but none of them, they're also they're experts in their field, but never are they really in the position, especially to speak to an English audience or to maybe illustrate this the way it needs to be to the right people that it needs to be. And, I mean, every time I go there, this is what they're telling me. The out of their mouths, not even from above. It says, like, man, tick tick are you drumming up anything? Winter. Right? You know? So and, I mean, I I I I need to do a better effort at that because it is a I do do see that it's a spiritual calling. And, and, man, these guys have had the answer. Let me tell you real quick about Rosa right here outside of Medigan. So she's from a small tribe that was in hiding for several generations because of conquistadoreal attacks from, you know, prey on the weak after right? Every kind of piece of garbage will come out to kick you when you're down, when you're already down. You know? And there's lots of pieces of garbage drifting out here that never even picked a side yet. The worst of the mill. Anyway, so they're in hiding. Right? And, she and they have a spiritual thing. Alright. Listen.
These people building cities out here, which from a space shuttle, city image, microscopic is an exact exact duplicate of a cancer microscopically. Right? So, you know, the pattern's bad. The cement, we talked about that, right, a little bit in the other one, but just to remention that much. And they're looking at it through clear eyes of reality, of true reality, not being separated from the devil. And they're saying, oh, these guys are going way too far with the city shit, spraying all their like, imagine through her eyes. Right? So okay. So they have a they have a huddle, them, God, out in their community. Right? And it's Right. Alright. You go out you go out here and preach to this province, city, or whatever. You'll go out here and preach this one. You so a group of young people, she's one of them. She went by herself to this area. Other people went to other areas by themselves.
She rode the bus. She struggled. She asked for change on the street. She eventually was able to find the right people and, establish these incredible agriculture alternative agriculture sites, permaculture sites, biodynamic, and ancestral system sites. And I'm talking about advanced, fermentations Wow. Then jugs and you know? Yeah, dude. Like, super high level, cultivation that's been for generations generations. It's time for us to put a fight in in motion here. And I'm just an innocent bystander trying to, like, just like just like with his eyes peeled back saying, woah.
The real world, like, thank you. Whatever switch just slipped through my head that allows me to see this now. You know what I mean? And this is all I wanna be in. So, you know, even though I'm coming back to the world, then I'm I'm trying to get back on the horse of economical state Well,
[00:23:12] Unknown:
you know Endeavor. Yeah. The bullshit they try to tell you that you're gonna be, you know, satisfied with. You know? You you gotta shut up, and and you got all the stuff that you don't need. And once you come into a community like that, because I can I can speak from experience when I went to Peru to the people? And, when I entered the the land of the people, that was like common home. There was no place on this earth ever that I felt like this is exactly like it should be. I think I Yeah. I never ever worn shoes except at night because you don't know where you're gonna put your feet on. And when you're on a Ayahuasca trip, sometimes it's better to wear some shoes. Although I have to be admitting that 80%, I was bare feeted.
But the thing is, when you are into a community like that, and it feels like home and you you you listen to to the jungle. You you hear the jungle breathe, the animals, the leaves, the birds, the plants. It all makes sense, and it all has a purpose. As especially that you're gonna realize that you have a purpose because you're in the middle of that. Here in our society, there's no way to think about it even. You you are just a puppet on a fucking string.
[00:24:49] Unknown:
Yeah. They're impulsive. Do you feel like do you feel like you made your most larger, you covered the most distance in finding out what your own purpose was when you were out in nature? Oh, yeah.
[00:25:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. And the and the funny thing is, here, I really appreciate silence, like real silence. That comes because we got so much buzzing and noise going on in the city. And even in a in a village, you know, if you go outside, you hear, like, the highways and stuff like that in the distance, like the the little buzzing. In the jungle, there's never a quiet place because when it's quiet, you have to be very careful because there's a predator. Right?
[00:25:32] Unknown:
Well, yeah. I I would yeah. Even then, it's it's a never quiet. Yeah.
[00:25:38] Unknown:
But the the the the never ending quietness of the jungle gives you so much rest. It I mean, sometimes you you just just don't find the words to describe what it's be. What what was your take to go into the jungle and to find more peace of yourself, Brandon?
[00:26:05] Unknown:
Well, yeah, it it was really a a chain of events and that led to it. But it was a I will say the biggest pivot points were when special people recognized that I was a special spirit and helped me. You know? They were all older than me. They were actually they were older souls than I was, but they recognized that I was graduating, and, and they did the, the right things with me. And, yeah, I'm always gonna just really recognize that for sure. And then I ended up and and, you know, the the final one, just to give some details, is he someone handed me a shovel, pointed me a cabin at the back of a a farm, and said, go ahead.
Learn. And that was it. And then I said, oh, wow. Okay. And, and it was during that time, I had already started you know, I've always been obsessed with I've always had houseplants around, and I've always really liked nature. I think actually everyone from the land of enchantment, New Mexico, right, is, like, really in tune with nature. So but and then, but, yeah, that was the pivotal experience. And then night after night, hearing all the sounds you're talking about, it's quiet, but it's not quiet. It's a it's this special existence. It's a removal from the city. Right? It's the real noise. It's not the fake noises. And then you start to have this realer experience in a realer sleep, and you and your spirit starts to do these realer things. And your mind starts to have these realizations from all that realness.
You know? And then, one one thing after and if you if you hang out long enough, you're not gonna wanna come back till you're For sure.
[00:28:06] Unknown:
That's for sure, man. Still struggling.
[00:28:11] Unknown:
And and then and, man, I think anyone can have this experience, but I think, there has to I think I think anyone can have this experience. And the way you have it is you have to go out for a very dedicated time and nature, and it's gotta be challenging. You're gonna lose weight. You're gonna get skinny. You have to really push yourself in a full send manner to, like, make a connect. You know, I thought about this since the last one, this, video endeavor is much harder. This content, this conversation on the recorder is much harder than than you give the credit, right, as a viewer. And and and so is this talk about doing and living in nature thing, ma'am. It's a real real you know, you're gonna go one day, then you're gonna be like, oh my god. And then you're gonna go 2 days 3 days, and then there's a threshold for for for people that's gonna be very clear. Like, well, I don't know what this guy is. You know? But you just push way past that and believe that it's true.
Mhmm. Then you get, like, an intuition out there, man. Like a like a gift of tongues, and you start to make sense of all that kind of stuffing. And and I would say you asked me about books before my ceiling, I'm running. If if you read that before you do it, then you would maybe get, like, a, like, a leg up. You know? Also, Stephen, Harry, Bonner, secret teachings of the plants. That's another one if you were able to check that out before you did it. But, I mean, I'm I'm I'm almost thinking that that your perfect thing to tell you I was thinking before the podcast, and I think we've arrived. It's like, man, I think if all of us did this type of vision quest, thing as a as a prerequisite, you know, to to being accepted into the tribe or whatever, it would be the most enhancing like, I couldn't be a parent of another child without taking them out and and making sure that they did it. You know? And, and it and it is it's dangerous, and it's it's it's it's doodle. Like, what they would say down here is tough. Right? I think that's where, you know, the gym is one thing, but the gym the gym is the thing, man.
[00:30:35] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. But it's the real challenge. The it's it's the the the real things like, okay. This is challenging, but I gotta do it because otherwise, I can survive. The the thing is the to go into the jungle was was one decision. And to be honest with you, when I had my ticket back, it was like the biggest decision. Like, do I want to go back in this not fucking shell of society? And to be honest with you, I I landed at 12 o'clock at night in Germany, in Dusseldorf, which is a Metropole, like a real big city. It's, let's say a 45 minute drive to my home at that time when I had a home.
And that same day, I start to work. Dude, that's like, I never found the the piece and the rest to to really, got the downloads real start to kick in, if you know what I mean. Because you're coming from the jungle. You have experienced so many things, especially with plant medicine. And then you all of a sudden been thrown into society just like that. It's like that's, that was hard. It still is. Well It still is.
[00:31:49] Unknown:
Well, that's interesting to hear. I haven't done the plant medicine, but I do I'm very familiar with being just interested with modern society, especially after having a natural experience. And, but then and so I guess my only role is to try to get society to have a more natural experience, which is the answer. And that's what I'm saying. It it really starts at the individual level too. Right? And and then if we're gonna find the intelligence level or the frequency to really deliver this message, I do feel that because I couldn't talk about this stuff before. You know what I mean? I had no I like, the the the, the journey that you make in in information or just, like, cognitive download or however you say that out nature is just so you know what I mean? Yep.
So so if so if you could just be like, yo, dude. Like, go go do the vision quest, and then now we're in the tribe together. You know? I guess I'm just it just makes you long for a tribe that goes through what you've gone through so you can kind of have that parallel agenda, be partners in some new cool, creative team, you know, out doing some new real real product like, produce of of whatever. You know? Because, like,
[00:33:22] Unknown:
Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I'm excited about meeting you guys.
[00:33:27] Unknown:
Yeah. But that's it. If if you if you having a time in nature. Ever well, a lot of people like to walk in nature. Right? The the the forces here are are beautiful. They're not that big compared to to other, countries, but we we have some beautiful forces here. The thing is, actually, I was walking barefoot today in the forest. It's December. Like, I'm a I'm a crazy man. You know? But the thing is, as I said, I came back from Peru. It was like, begin of November. So the thing is, I'm I'm here at, my producer's house, Joost. Shout out to Joost. He was on Unchained Brain also, and Mad Max show on on Davey Wavy from the red pro red pill cartel, and I had him 3 times, in my show. And we're taking a walk after lunch.
And I said, man, it's been such a long time since I've been in nature, and I took a walk. So I kicked off my shoes, and, I walked barefoot. And he said, he was just like, okay. Okay. I'm with this crazy guy wearing a skirt, walking barefoot in the middle of December in the Netherlands. Oh my, this is not the case. And I think like, oh, wow. Finally, I could I could, connect to nature again. That comes back to the mycelium. I had this download when I was on Ayahuasca. What if I walk in nature? I respect nature. I'm good in nature. You know? I'm I'm, connecting, and I touch a tree.
Then all of a sudden, I fly to Peru and touch a tree there. Could it be coincidence that maybe that tree was connected to the other tree also? So the vibe that you give is all around you with the trees. Because I think the mycelium is the the oldest organism in this world, first of all, and it's so vast of almost infinity that it's gonna spread out in this world. So be very careful if you do things in nature because I really think if I touch a tree in Europe and I go cross continental, these trees will know, like, oh, that's Rob.
[00:35:52] Unknown:
He he's been here Man, I I should I should not, dude. I should you not. Before you started talking, I was having the inkling to say, well, maybe we when you were like, I'm out in nature just walking in nature. I'm back in nature. I'm like, well, I'm already starting to see maybe we're supposed to organize, like, nature trips. You know? And how we were talking before at the end at the beginning of the mere meeting how, like, having a story is almost like a prerequisite to being it right. You know? So and there's all these people that are having their story right now with these all the different versions of toxicity, whether it's even Netflix addiction, who whatever.
Nature heals all of that all of that. Right? Oh, you're us the board. But, you know, more faster, more better. Right? Because we wanna heal correctly. You know, I'm so glad nature healed me and others some other thing. Like, I'm. Right? So maybe that could be our calling at some point is, you know, to organize dedicated nature trips and maybe even implement that experiment that you just said of cross pollination of information, which totally probably is real, man. You know what I mean? Percent. Like, I find that, yeah, I find that a really, fitting, Ayahuasca download.
[00:37:11] Unknown:
Yeah. But If anything is download. If you, and and especially also with bandwidth, with with the spinning device that you made. And you you gotta tell everyone that's listening to this podcast who's interested in it, Check out my link tree. There are a lot of, cool download links, and some some really good products that you can, get your grip on for for, sponsoring these guys, but also to dig into some real stuff that's real beneficial for your health.
[00:37:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Real, real, real. That last one is where he captured his face on the thing. Man, I resonated, but I know I thought, I know that.
[00:37:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Okay. We received I know the name. It's so crazy. You know the name from the the Japanese guy, Mosimoto? I think it was with the with the with the water.
[00:38:01] Unknown:
We are living in Musomoto.
[00:38:04] Unknown:
Yes. We are living in such incredible, magical place. But if you look around you, if you just okay. Listeners, close your eyes. Think about what what is really be like a a human being, like, being of light. Human means light, a light being. And when you open up your eyes, look around you. How many things do you really attach in your home, in your office, wherever the fuck you are, in your car, that's really resonating with you, except maybe, as you said, Brandon, some plans at home. These are the only things that connects you. Like, oh, I like that. That's that's a living thing. The rest I like that exercise.
Dress is all bullshit, man. Yeah. The rest is and, of course, you need shelter. You could use some some some luxury. I'm literally homeless right now. I never ever had a better time.
[00:39:09] Unknown:
Crazy. Yeah. I know what you're talking about, man. I actually have been there, man. I've been in those rooms. Yeah. That's true, man. There's nothing more action packed and connected than being free from the separators that exist, that insulate us in comfort zones from where we're really supposed to be. Man, that was a really interesting rollout, man. That was a really great exercise. And, yeah, I I feel that, my my message specifically has been to just encourage that relationship with nature. You know? I don't know who's more disciplined than athletes, so I kinda thought I was gonna go that route. When I was a home flipper in Philadelphia, I got frustrated and walked into the boxing gym and said, alright. Who's the break there? Who's the electrician?
I need people who show up on time. So so, you know, I thought about that. And and, so so I think, you know, discipline to to really challenge ourselves every day to actually let me restate that, to go to war with ourselves every day to be the beast best person that we can be so we can be the best person to the people that we love and care about is a very universal truth. And, I think there's so many people that are even plagiarizing that now that it or or or let's just say, you know, using it as their front, but having something a little bit less than real in the back. You know what I mean? I just wanna say, man, actually, what what the homeless thing actually kinda resonates with me as a very, balancing avenue of personality that we need to convey that energy and motion into the the sphere. In fact, I've been thinking you know, I've been on this teeter totter. It's like, do I continue?
I mean, I only came back to, like, the societal construct, but to because I didn't wanna be a jungle creature when my daughter turned 18. You know? Right.
[00:41:23] Unknown:
Yeah. She was well, easy. He's in the jungle. He's crawling up there. Right?
[00:41:29] Unknown:
Oh, bro. I had I had skin parasites living all over me, and I'm just like, oh, I wanna try to cure this. So this thing you know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. Because that that yeah. Because you'll find out what I'm talking about, man. You know, we there's a whole knowledge set that we should have that we don't, that we'd be so empowered to have, and then you're just like, oh, man. So back to the devil question is, like, the devil is someone who separated us from what the nature provided or what the universe provided for us, which is nature and has us in this other devil made man made thing. You you you know what I mean? So shit, bro. Fuck. Continue to walk like Cain, bro. I think that's actually some of the most genuine authentic.
I love it. Yeah. But the thing is how that was strategic for you too. It was just based on the like, I could tell that wasn't I could tell this isn't or maybe I'm wrong there. I don't know. No. I think I think it's, it's it's both ways. It's,
[00:42:31] Unknown:
circumstances that that are being being pointed out at at one time. And then, of course, it's it's circumstances, but it's also something like, oh, you know what? When you see that you that you're gonna steer at the brink of whatever it's gonna be, right, you have you have always a choice. Like, I'm gonna stop the car, or maybe maybe, you know, let's see what's happening.
[00:42:57] Unknown:
And I was thinking that was Can you read the signs? Can you read the signs? Most people can't. It sounds like you can't to me. I don't know. Because you there was your sign. I do. I do. Yeah. And I I I see also the
[00:43:11] Unknown:
the layer of what it says. Right? So you don't have a home when you come down from Peru, but you feel that your home is in Peru. And what was that? That was the heart and mind that came together as one. Just like, okay, here you got your masonic, whatever the fuck that you're gonna think about. But it's it's the it's a trinity. Right? That when you feel that that wholeness, that's all you got from home. And if it's gonna be like a shelter or a, something like a roof on your head, like it's my fucking car of or is this place, Yos, or it's it's it's a warehouse where I'm gonna stay for my sleep, or or the car that I'm gonna drive tomorrow.
I don't care, man. As long as I I'm alive and as long as I can fulfill my things that I'm I'm I'm supposed to do. And that's something that I I got really, really good down on this about that, like, mother Ayahuasca was telling me, like, you're good. You you you do the things that you do, and you gotta do them, man. You gotta connect what you're all with the knowledge and with the communication skills.
[00:44:26] Unknown:
That's it. Yeah. You got a you got a a faith in your own survivability. Would you say that got that was directly downloaded from the Ayahuasca experience specifically?
[00:44:40] Unknown:
Maybe not specifically because I had these these things go in a a few times, but it has to do with the with the path that I made to the Ayahuasca. Right, man. I was doing, in the middle of 2024, I was I was meeting this little frog combo. You heard about that?
[00:45:01] Unknown:
Yeah. I I'm vaguely familiar. It's a hardcore
[00:45:06] Unknown:
dummy. Yeah. So, the the Campbell frog is a is a is a frog that lives in the rainforest in South America. And it's a green one. He he does not have any nature, so he he can be killed by the predator. The little tiny green one or the black one with green spot? No. The the little tiny green one.
[00:45:32] Unknown:
It's a tree frog. Interesting. I'm very familiar. Yeah. Oh, but it's So Okay. I didn't know about the sun Uh-huh.
[00:45:39] Unknown:
Yeah. So the secretion that, the indigenous people are taking the secretion of the frog and use it for hunting and stuff like that. I don't know. I don't know why WhatsApp is popping up all the time, but that's okay. So they take the secretion of the frog. They they burn mark you with a little spot. Okay. Afterwards, they're gonna put the frog poison on it, and then you're gonna have a real warm, warm head, and it's gonna scan your whole system. It's gonna take out everything that doesn't supposed to be there. That could be some disease, but it could be also anxiety. That could be trauma. It could be whatever the fuck you're stuck with.
Wow. So I had, first of all, 5 dots right here on my on my heart chakra. And, eventually, now I got several spots all over my body because I did it a few times. You can see it right here, for example. Maybe you could see Wow, man. Yeah. How fascinating. So but with these dots, these were 8 dots that you gotta puke. And it could be also coming from the back door. But definitely, you're gonna let loose some stuff. So once you have done that, you're completely clean. 2 strongs, as I prefer seeing instead of weeks. After my first, session, ceremony with Campbell, I did, Shoku Bliss. Shoku Bliss is a, ceremonial cacao together with Okay. Wasca and psilocybin, so the mushrooms. Wow.
And, I had 2 joints rolled up. So, you know, when the trip is gonna hit in, I'm gonna smoke a joint. You know? But then I got this voice that's told me just like, it served you, but it doesn't serve you anymore. Cut it loose. So I was in a Ganshow position for about 3 hours, just meditating, and I quit smoking, just like that. No way. With drinking. Wild.
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So the the the I've heard this over and over. That's amazing.
[00:47:46] Unknown:
Yeah. So eventually, when I booked for Peru, I knew that I had to cut loose more things, so I did similar retention. I think it's a good word. So so no common. No sugar, no salt, no caffeine, all that stuff. So that brought me to as pure as I could be as a human being to mother Ayahuasca, which which gave me the things that, she thought that was good for me. And it was it was a very nice, and I I was very I was very humbled to to be there and very grateful that I could make the trip.
[00:48:23] Unknown:
So but that Well, that's a really, advanced process from the versions I've been told about before. That's awesome. And that's a sounds like a really ancient delivery method with the frog stuff. That's killer, man. That's awesome that you were able to connect with such a a dynamic authentic seemingly source
[00:48:44] Unknown:
for this. It it feels, it feels so right. But when you're doing, so I was doing quite some drugs in the past, but I can't relate with them anymore. I know what they do. I know what, you know, I was like a speed freak. I love that kind of shit, alcohol, all this stuff. I still like to drink a beer, but that's a completely different story than, you know, boozing up for boozing up, for getting drunk or whatever. So Yeah. The plant medicine, I really figured out that the connection with nature, with San Pedro, with the frog, with cannabis, with Ayahuasca, that's the thing that's that that could eventually get you into a position, into channeling, into leveling up, or to have a good conversation with mother nature or with the mushroom or with with all there is and all all there will be. Right?
The rest is just man made. And that gives me, I don't know. It it gives me struggles nowadays because it's not the way.
[00:49:52] Unknown:
The the the the natural Well, I was just gonna ask you, do you feel like the journey required the psychedelics? Do you feel like the connection, like, may do you?
[00:50:03] Unknown:
Yes. You do? You're just calling me out, man. It was calling me out for a long time. And then it just went, like, silent. And then this year after the camo session, it, it came through sometimes like, you know, it was just like what Peru was calling me. I always want to be with the Indians, like the where the real place is. And when I entered that commune community, I knew that this is the way why I'm here because I felt so at home. Right.
[00:50:38] Unknown:
If you were to go back looking at your timeline, hindsight 2020, and look at the steps that you took to be able to hear that spiritual call in to do this psychedelics, what would those steps be? Oh,
[00:50:56] Unknown:
that's a bumpy road, man. And that's a hard one. It's it's, it's being so so, listen to so, okay, so listen to your body first of all, because if you're if you if you put shit in your to your body, your body eventually could just shut up or shut down. Oh. 19 was shutting down because I had an inflammation and perforation 3 times of my intestines. My buddy told me, like, Rob, stop this shit because I'm I'm I'm not gonna take it anymore. So it took me a while. Was that alcohol that did that? Well, alcohol, coke, all the stuff.
Basically, I think basically a very not healthy, not balanced life. You know? Sure. Okay. Well, that have talked. Everything was fucked up. You know? I wasn't happy in a relationship. I wasn't eating too good. Didn't take my rest. Sales manager, 25 years on the road, you know, all that stupid stuff that doesn't make you happy. So that that that comes the second part. Do things that make you happy. After a year of, after I was, getting my surgery and it took 35 centimeters of my intestines out, I had a burnout, which was the best period of my life. Because then I could really getting into my own system, like, who the fuck are you and what do you want?
Who are you? What do you want? You know? So, I figured out that then I finally had the time to dig into some stuff that really interested me. Like, it it was like discovery time, like, ancient history, ancient aliens, whatever the fuck they're gonna put on. But, you know, history, plant medicine, all that stuff that was just like, here it is. You could grab it from YouTube at that time. 2,060 was the the time when it when it, still was available. 2018, they took 35 centimeters out. And 2019 was, where where I had some periods of time that I could dig into my own interest and start to meditate, start to walk in nature, start to, breath work, all that stuff. Once you're gonna do that, or once you're gonna get that into your system, your system needs more of that stuff because it's the good stuff.
[00:53:33] Unknown:
Because you're on the right track.
[00:53:35] Unknown:
Yes. And let you do cold shower, all that stuff. You know?
[00:53:40] Unknown:
Yeah. No. I do the cold shower thing and the cold river plunge thing. It is a excellent tool, man. People overlook that. But, yeah, if you needed a reset, there it is. Right? And I I've just and that's, like, the biggest thing I would like to offer because I love the, I am so appreciative of everyone who's gone on the psychedelic journey because all that stuff that you're finding out of there is so real. And then we have that experimental data to compare with other things such as maybe, to go do this intense long chapter in nature and to actually to to learn to survive out there, which, man, I'm telling you, like, all these survivor shows, all this stuff, trapping, hunting, it's great. But you need a baseline, dependable, I've got this, I can survive.
And then that that I have found for the longest period of this of time to be my knowledge of the diverse plant based. And like I said, the intuition that you get when you're out there that's just given to you once you, to pass that chapter. It's that. It's it's it's more so that. It's that touch the tree communication stuff, man, which 1000%, I think, you know, it's probably through psychedelics to a certain degree as well. But, I think really more so soldiering it out, like, all types of diverse experience. You know? And, I don't wanna say I I do wanna say that also pushing myself back into society and back, I do feel it was a push. I do feel like I was pushed to do it. I feel like I was called to kinda come back to to it. And I feel like finding a balance between the 2 is really a rich place to be, because that's where we're going to be able to get enough people from the toxic place into the, natural place, which it really seems like the the the purpose.
You know? For you, for me, for our tribe. You know what I mean? Because we're just watching all these people suffer in the middle, unable to decide worst place. And then all in you know what I mean? Who does the child abuse and all the ridiculous shit. You know what I mean? Who I think we should just cut their heads off. I mean, that would be the most natural approach, especially when there's just yes. Oh, to find the continue, which is not saying stuff like that. You know what I mean? And we're able to make a a pragmatic, practical journey. I've actually thought about this a lot. Like, I was totally joking just there. And, you know, I do wanna try to be a proper medium between the 2 between us people who have found the real thing, but to actually be the person who can help make that pivotal health change, health real well, real right? Health spiritual of most important.
So spiritual health change to from this capturing that they exist in today to this freedom that they could exist in tomorrow tomorrow, you know, and and try to find that scalpel specific way of doing that properly.
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Dude, I got a I got 2 takes on that. First of all, I do agree with you. When you're raping people, it doesn't matter what you choose that your victim will deal with that for all your life. So fuck you. I'm gonna cut your fucking head off. If you murder someone, if it depends on the purpose and the situation if you could do that. But rape is something that you are willing to do with another person. Right? So if you fraud someone or you're you know, all the stuff that that could be criminal, whatever the fuck, there are 2 people involved. Some are victims, some don't.
But the for for for, if I was a judge, there is no way that you can ever talk to a single human being that you can tell, okay, that rape was was, was, what the fucking word is it?
[00:58:11] Unknown:
There's spiritual rape too. People Oh, fun. Yeah. You know? Like, it's like, let's just say I I mean, you know, not in every case, but I love that we're having the primal discussion. This is like you know, because as I said, you we have to recognize being out of our destiny groove just a little tiny bit when we quite a bit, actually, when we put up when we know for a fact that this person has committed this absolute atrocity, like with Elizabeth Smart. There's this, like, in this case, in this particular case, it's very important to you know, when the when the evidence is not convicting, it probably only came out because the other side the spirit side convicts the person as well. You know what I'm saying? That's how these amazing recognitions take place, like the 2 year later cop in the street. That's why I use some of these more extreme examples because they're good.
But, definitely, man, there's certain evils out there. Good. Volterra said it. You're also guilty of the good that you don't do. And certain evils are just so across the line. Like, I felt that in my DNA. That's what pushed me into the jungle. I was actually supposed to lop off 10 heads. You know what I mean? If I was gonna be in my destiny calling, if I was gonna protect young children from spiritual and psychological abuse by a bunch of maniacs that but who can't control themselves and are living this deceitful, pleasure chasing, selfish black hole of an existence where this is the effect they're gonna have on other lives as well, and I know it. You know, there's like this there's this, like, you're facing your own honor code. You know what I mean? And then Yeah. Mean, you're not gonna pass. You're not gonna pass because you're not gonna do anything criminal, which I am proud of at the at the end, I guess. I mean, I
[01:00:00] Unknown:
It's always on the slipping side. Right? It's always not that balance like, oh, I'm steady here because you don't know in society either.
[01:00:07] Unknown:
Well, you know, when you just look and you just look at the and I'm looking at the sad result that continues to be going on there. And I'm just like, yeah. If I would've done that, oh, this kid would be like, no. That's what's cool. This dude is a noble knight of protection, and he he took he he took the shot when he was supposed to. And and let, you know what I mean? He didn't just let all this bullshit can happen and not do anything. You know? And, you know what I'm saying? And and and now I'm not, you you know, that a lot of my metaphysical struggle was very much, oh, okay. You you you and that's what they know they're doing at this particular web of each craft, right, which we're not gonna go into episode 40, whatever you got. So but then, you know, you're just like, shit. Now look. The results of the child abuse are there, and you are this dude who didn't do anything. So now you've got this whole another, spirit of curiosity to deal with. You know what I mean? And oh, oh, yeah. So yeah. So there's, like, a daily and that's all the things. It's like a it's a combination of fitness in nature.
I'm having this diverse diet. And if I didn't have all those ducks in bro, fuck, dude. I wouldn't, so I know that through extreme pressure, diamonds are formed, and through extreme pressure, the the truth is revealed. You know what I mean? And I'm really feeling, like, more and more, like, let's just figure out a way to deliver this diverse nutrition, say what I gotta say in a bold way. And this is, like, take 500, dude. So I'm, like, proud of myself right now. I'm proud of myself after this little rant because I'm just, oh, just alright.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that brings me to number 2, and that's that's that's I got a I got a tattoo of an ant right here.
[01:02:05] Unknown:
Crazy. The most anthropological, like, a species on the planet. Oh, first of all, but
[01:02:13] Unknown:
this is a crazy ant. So I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a little story about the crazy ant, and I thought that you can recognize yourself in that. K. I don't know. What's it a pile of ants. What's it called in America or in England if you have a pile of ants? Ant pile. Ant pile. Okay. Okay. So when the sun when the when the seasons are gonna hit winter, crazy ants figure out like, oh, shit. There's less sun. So there's less warmth for our pile will not survive throughout winter. They will notice that, I think, in in September, October. Right? That the sun is gonna sets a little bit different as it does right now. We're gonna have to solace this 21st December. Okay. This crazy ant figures that out, but he has a very big problem because he can't shout in the pile like, hey, guys, we gotta build the shit somewhere else. Right? So what he's gonna do is he's gonna he's gonna take his own path to look for the right spot.
He will find a spot where the sun is warmer than on the spot that they are right there. So what happens is this ant goes back. And as you know, ants make traces. Right? So if you get the jar pot with some sugar in it, there's a trace where all the ants walk by to get through that jar. Right? But Okay. The crazy ant does not have this kind of ability. What he does, he goes back to the pile, takes 1 worker ant, puts it on his head, and puts it down on the new spot. That worker ant can't go back because he doesn't have a trial. Uh-huh. So this this this crazy ant does that for 10 times, 100 times, 1,000 times, put all these ants together on that fucking new spot until he meets a new another crazy ant, which does the same.
Okay. Now the magic happens. They're gonna make a new trial path. And when they have, I think more than 50% of the ants on the new spot, they will recognize like, oh, this is gonna be our new spot. How comes the magic? I think within 1 or 2 days, they break down the old pile and build it up exactly as it was within 2 days on the new spot.
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Okay.
[01:04:47] Unknown:
So with with crazy ants, the pile has a new existence. What we are gonna do, Brandon, with the new group that we're in, we are these these crazy ants that take the right people that are stuck in society to a new place where they can thrive again and be the most beautiful person as they could be and the Super
[01:05:13] Unknown:
important process of refinement. No doubt about it. I love it. I love that I came into contact with you guys. You know? It was just a few years ago that I didn't have a bank account. I didn't have a phone. I didn't want them. And, and now I am the you know, it's just a wonderful world. It's a wonderful existence when you're in the right track, when you just do what's right and you just tell the truth. It's just beautiful, and I'm feeling it. And, I do I am a crazy aunt. I am a crazy ant all the way, dude. And you know what's crazy about the ants too? No. They're nutritional diversopists.
They take think about it. They take all these diverse clippings of these leaves, the ones that we like the best too. Interesting. Frustrating when you're a cultivator. But they take them back to their, cities that they build down there, the only other thing that builds a city, and they harvest the fungus off of that. They cook, you know, off your nutritional diversity. So they also show us a a wet you know? I think ants are crazy. The only insects that have agriculture,
[01:06:27] Unknown:
they go to war. So if you gonna put 2 different kinds of species ants in a jar, nothing will happen. But if you're gonna shake the jar, one species will not survive. Okay. But you have to think about, do they go to war, or do they have a something the hand that shake the jar? So what we wanna do is cut off the fucking dick. Right? Yes. So this one that's that's the whole fucking thing that happens in this society. There's someone who's putting us in a jar and shakes us so that we go to war to each other. We should let that let that loose because so, Brandon, you you you went out for how how how how long were you been in the jungle by yourself?
[01:07:20] Unknown:
Like, 6 years, 5 years, man. And, that was kind of my my divorce from humanity was a really long time, dude. And, and then the transitional period was a really long time, man. Like, there were and, you know, there were all those chapters where you're putting on your knees saying, like, am I really supposed to be doing this? And I don't feel like this is right. I gotta like this. Why why whatever. But, you know, now it's really been a a hero's journey, like a gladiator, thing going out, coming back. It's been just, like, totally nonstop. You know, I was just thinking, oh, fuck. It escaped me now, but damn it. I was I just I just had a thought for that earlier. Squeeze your squeeze your oh oh,
[01:08:09] Unknown:
squeeze my tongue. Yeah. Yeah. Like, squeeze your hand. Squeeze it. Then they'll remember it.
[01:08:14] Unknown:
Okay. Copy that. Well, I'm just thinking, you know, and the coming into the tribe that is forming the new city. And, you guys are actually responding to the truths and the nutritional diversity stuff that I'm telling you about. You know? Most people, they're like, yeah. That's some charlatan or or that's crazy or you know what I mean? That's not gonna work. You know what I mean? But, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to do, like, these crazy like, even dude, when I'm eating fast food in the city or I'm eating from here, I try to keep it as healthy as that I can. I'm actually going out to the farm and bringing back or having motorcycle delivered from my farm, stuff to keep up with me and one person I'm working with with fitness or whatever. Right? And, man, I I can't tell you. It's been so challenging to try to come back from nothing.
You know what I mean? And now I'm actually getting somewhere to, like, this respectable societal status, and I'm working with people. And the nutritional diversity stuff, the realest stuff that I have feel like I have to say is a credibility tiller when I'm dealing with people from, like you know, we could just after this part, every everything we've said, just call it the satanic construct. When they're in that thing, you you will lose credibility talking about this kind of stuff. You know what I mean? So it's a it's been a real now I'm at that point where I'm finding the challenge is to, to communicate to all these people, but I'm all but I'm fine. Oh, that's what I and here it is. Boom. Hand squeeze words. Like, dude, the value is in the process that you're talking about. The value the real potent value is in this secret little club.
And, I mean, I know we've only known each other for a little bit, but, man, I mean, I resonate. I clicked with Benjamin and you guys. It was, like, totally you know, Rick, I was just thinking too. It's not just Einstein's quote of coincidence is God's way of remaining in monuments. As Rick Rubin said it too, as things fall together effortlessly, you can tell something above wants it to happen. Right? And so, and and I have seen that in nature and to a ridiculous extent to where it's also a thing where you're afraid and you're sitting there trying to not afraid, but it's a challenge to frame the right delivery or if you should be doing this stage of delivery at all when you're talking with these people. And then and then you fall into this crack where you see the need, but there's not even language to address it in in in verbal.
You know what I'm saying? Then it's a tactful guidance procedure throughout, the next couple of weeks. You know, you can go so far down this natural learning thing, you know, to where you can come back and start to be doing some James Bond stuff behind the scenes. You know, it's it's righteous manipulation in a way, you know, but where you're just doing things for somebody that they can't see, but they will be thankful for later when they can. And then they look back and they're like, they see it hindsight 2020. Oh, shit. That's can dude was young, but what an old shoulder that just hit me with bang, bang, bang, like that kind of a thing. You know what I mean? So I find myself really finding, you know, that's, like, to to to sum up everything that we're saying, like, what's our mission now? What's the next action that we take as a tribe, as the crazy ass in in in purpose and in mission?
And 1000%, I think, you know, I've been working with the supplement production. I joined this guy, Rob the Banks. He does he did a successful, supplement, and I'm I'm getting all these elements together on the manufacturing industry's current infrastructure to provide something quickly and to get into that marketplace. But, well, I have a whole idea of how to revolutionize this whole thing, distribute our next caliber, but Ben actually mentioned it to me. He mentioned the idea that's been evolving out of his own mind to me and that other thing. Right. So we're not even really talking about this. Yeah. But the a whole another delivery, a whole another way of doing this, a homey practice to where you actually can get to teach the person to fish, not just give them the fish or sell them the fish even worth. Teach them to start having that relationship with nature in, like, a dietary format, in a culturable format.
Even in the rob the bank bank thing, it's just like, dude, if you can have again, just framing trying to frame this for the for the ill construct is like, you know, a cult moment if you can expose that truth and really kinda grow this. So that all being said, what would you, as the crazy ants, story holder, say as far as the next 10 steps for building that and growing this and making sure it remains valuable and has only the right people, but the right people that we haven't met yet, like the future callings, like I just was to the to the pack. Right. So so the thing is that that,
[01:13:57] Unknown:
once you once you get in a in a in a network, because that's that's first thing. Right? You you gotta be in the in the in the right network. Then you have to be aware of what what kind of, talents everyone has.
[01:14:11] Unknown:
So for for example Well, I asked you because you're Kane.
[01:14:17] Unknown:
So so the thing is the thing is, once you shape so okay. The the the easiest part will be this, to to to cut it down a little bit more than than just like a long blah blah blah talk. You have a goal that you can accomplish by yourself, but you go faster and stronger with more people. But you have to be aware of what the goal is, and you have to have a vision how to proceed to that goal. Then all the characters in play or all the people in your network will have their role to get you to that goal. And the best thing is if you have to gather the same goal, then it will eventually work. So it's like a military op. Everyone has this has this, ability. Everyone has this talent.
But, you know, of course, there are some commanders that are really good what they're doing, but they can do the trick without a team behind them.
[01:15:23] Unknown:
Well, well, what if the goal is, a raise in consciousness, a general raise in consciousness? You know that experiments where the they showed the monkey how to ray rinse the beef up with rinse
[01:15:34] Unknown:
rinsing the potatoes. Yeah. Yeah. So what you're gonna do then is is is actually is exactly what we're going do what we're doing right now. We are getting some knowledge of us people into the ether with a podcast. Even if I will die today, this will be out. This has resonated with with with one of the the the biggest things that we we can grab, but we can't because, you know, between us, the resonating voice, the vibration it's out there. So I think that the ether connects everything with everything. So you got fire, you got air, you got water, and you got, what's the other one? Fire, water. Shit.
The list is on now saying, that's
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Earth.
[01:16:28] Unknown:
Earth. Yes, one. Sorry. Yeah. So, but the only thing that connects with it is ether. So my point of view is but that's just my point of view. Especially be, very aware of the words that you say because it could be, it it no. They they are a lot of spells, and it should be black. To get better with that. Yeah. Yes. I agree with you. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm working on it every single day, Brandon, because that's why I got strong days. I got a strong aunt, not a weekend. I am not fucking weekend, man. I'm a strong fucker. I like what you have to say, my friend. So and and this goes back to, oh, I got a father. I don't have a dad.
That's a different word, man. I do I have a mother, not a mommy. You know, all these little things that are that are so integrated and and in or indoctrinated in our society that we don't know that we're gonna put spells out every single time. So coming back into your question, coming back to the quest, I think with all our podcasts combined and with the guests, you know, Joost, where I am right now, he he knows a lot because he was in cults of the dark side, but also of the light side. You were on a quest on several things, and especially also with permaculture, and with plant medicine.
We got, Milton from, death is awakening. No, life is a dream, death is awakening podcast. We got Davey Wavey from the Red Pill Cartel. We got Benjamin banned from the unchained brain.
[01:18:13] Unknown:
Dude Incredible.
[01:18:14] Unknown:
We we are building something, that's like
[01:18:19] Unknown:
Incredible souls, man. I have so much more explanation through all those names to do. I'm excited. But, man, every every soul so far is just incredible, mind blowing souls. I really appreciate what you're doing, and I think you're right. I think keeping at it and keeping to do with this, I'm honored to be a part of it. And that that I feel like that's a very, I I think everything you just said is a truth.
[01:18:44] Unknown:
Thank you. And and especially, I I I know a lot of people now and and and also Stein from, the the the Greyhorn Pagan podcast. So what what we're combining is some some beautiful minds. The these are critical thinking people, and they they won't be offended if you have a different point of view. That's something that I, dude, I searched for more than 50 years for the right people that I could say, like, you're talking bullshit to me because I gotta up Oh, that means a lot to me to hear it. You know? And and I I I I I had 3 friends left, and and 2 of them just one of the one of my friends, which was more than 35 years of a friend of mine, told me, like, I'm gonna skip our friendship because you are into some stuff that I do not believe about.
[01:19:37] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:19:38] Unknown:
Well, it it's my friend. You're different on a point of view, but we just skip a fucking French about 35 years about that. Okay. Fine. Fuck you. My other friend That's their friend. That person's been hijacked.
[01:19:52] Unknown:
Everyone's just been hijacked. Like we said, that person's been hijacked from their own authenticity. A real authentic person couldn't say that. Yep. And, you know, the the the flip side is also so important. I didn't mean to cut you off, but, no, I'm just thinking the flip side is also what you're saying is the most valuable thing. We're reiterating that from before. And and the flip side of it of, is so important because all these people are confined by exactly that. They can't take a person being their own individual. The reason they can't take another individual is because that's the mirror staring back at their slave shop. These themselves. It's it's mother.
[01:20:32] Unknown:
The hard spot will be if they are let let's say waking up, which I don't like the word, but let's say they they waken up to the truth. You know, I'm an Aquarius. I can tell, like, fuck you. Yeah. But I also have to be aware that when they are reaching out again to me, that I will show them support, love, and respect again. That's awesome. And that's but that's the hardest part.
[01:21:03] Unknown:
Yes.
[01:21:04] Unknown:
You know, we are humans. Right? So what you wanna do is say, you know, I told you so. Fuck you. You know, all that stuff. That's the quality
[01:21:13] Unknown:
that those pivotal old schoolers I was talking about in my journey had. That's the quality that they had. They were like, okay, We see your, we see your, all that I lose. This How do you do your business?
[01:21:29] Unknown:
Froze a little bit. I think the order was fine.
[01:21:33] Unknown:
That might be one of the most important things that's giving you. Can you hear me?
[01:21:38] Unknown:
I do hear you, but your, your image is frozen. Oh,
[01:21:43] Unknown:
wow. I know your back.
[01:21:46] Unknown:
Thinking on your back. Well, yeah, they give it was a hard time to get that podcast, man.
[01:21:54] Unknown:
Over the year, I mean, the and, I mean, that when we're talking about the super real relationship, just to catch up the freeze moment, that was that old?
[01:22:07] Unknown:
Oh, no. You froze again. Fuck. Oh, Brandon, I lost you, man. You're frozen? Okay. Okay. Well, I haven't
[01:22:22] Unknown:
I don't know. We'll see if it lets that's we say it.
[01:22:26] Unknown:
Right. Because oh, your data is is sucking, man. Somehow, they wanna they don't wanna get this this kind of messages out. You know what I'm trying to say? They're they're messing with those all the time. Well, fuck them.
[01:22:42] Unknown:
Well, this very elevated yeah. Exactly. Ready? Here it goes. That very elevated state of consciousness that you're explaining that you now have, and that and that you now need and this love and compassion that you now show to these people over and over and over again. I was just saying that's the exact quality that I was telling you the old schoolers that were so pivotal. I have to really appreciate now because you can see that they did. They set they did. They really went stepped out of their comfort zone, and they talked to somebody, and they had faith that he may not be at the conscious level where he could hear this, but I'm gonna give it to him anyway. And I do believe that they did those guys were the guys that I could've kept coming back to over and over and over again. You know? Believe it or not, you've been being out there for 6 years. That this shit was another, another ride of everything just falling into place to get me to that. Dude, I actually think just an anecdotal thing to throw in here. I actually think this started when x when I was on the run from a juvy jail. I was 13, and this other on the run dude was explaining adult was explaining to me God and teaching me all about God. And actually in Birmingham, Alabama, we're on this running hustle with the same stuff. And I'm in the rain, a 13 year old kid on in the rain on his knees shouting. I think actually something did you know, that's another thing I wanna deliver from my own experiences. There's definitely another side. I think you will maybe agree with I don't know. You know? Right? You did you were just talking about that through the Ayahuasca, but it can there's definitely this other side, man. And if you're on the right route, it it's gonna guide you. And I went on a little rant there. I'm sorry. But, no. No. No. You're fine, man. You're good. I think that's to play that old school dude now for me in in the upbringing of the younger guys is, like, super valuable. Right? So I it's, like, beautiful to hear about that those instances.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
And it's it's not something like, oh, oh, I'm gonna do that, like, just like that. It's it's hard. It's hard because you, you know, everyone, I told her that one of the podcast has a struggle. A lot of people struggling right now and and everyone has a has has something that they are afraid of or everything, they're having a hard time. And They got tackled all that. All the time. All the if if you are on walking on this path of Ayahuasca or whatever the fuck, you do not need to do psychedelics to to know that, okay, I'm here with a purpose. And and you you gotta find your tribe. And even what we're talking about just just on this podcast, it took me fucking 50 years. I'm 51 right now. It took me 50 fucking years to find real friends. And the fucking thing about this, the virtual, but I can talk to you. With snake, my friend, snake, man, dude, we we we talk every single strong, like, several hours about our plans, what we're gonna do about about life, about every fucking thing. If someone, you know, holds their head a little bit high, then we're gonna we're gonna jump into that and be high together.
It's
[01:26:05] Unknown:
really real. Yeah. Speak with you, dude. Thank you. Fuck.
[01:26:09] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. But also know when someone is a little bit down, you know, talk to them. You know? I mean, this this cold life is is sometimes it's a real hard struggle, man. I I Well I I know that Ben knows a little bit more about that about We have no we the the idea here's another thing I learned from nature. I should
[01:26:30] Unknown:
dude, we we have no option there. That's a figment of the ill construct. You can't be scared. You have to attack all weaknesses, all discomforts, and all fears. You have to attack that. You can't allow yourself to be weak or fearful at all. That doesn't exist. That luxury does not exist. From here, whoever's watching this, get that out of your system right now. You have to you you exactly. That's it. That's the hijacking. You just said it. You're right. That's they hijack you out of that exact standard, and that's a minimum standard. And that's why your health just decreases. And that's spiritual health included, mental health, all of it. Right? You have to sell that practitioners.
You have to do this stuff. If you don't do the bush push ups, you're not gonna be ready when, you're calling from God says run out and pick this bear cub out of the river bear. You know what I mean? And and so it's like we wanna be ready for whatever, whenever our duty calling, man. And that's that's like the next old schooler dynamic. Right? That's when we're really in the power group. That's when we're synced with nature's rhythm as when we are constantly taking in their challenges, operating like that old schooler, dealing with them correctly, feeling good about it, stepping into the next good the next horror court challenge with that good feeling.
No fear. No discomfort. Everything. I got this. All that shit we talked about. And then, overcoming it. You know what I mean? And and as we and then as you'll find like minded beams, and then you'll find other pack members whose cause you have to sharpen as you're you're doing now. So I really feel honored to come in contact with this, and I know it was, like, called to be, man. And, I'm excited for all the future discussions and productivity that could come from this. And, you know, that question you asked if the devil's real, it's like, yeah. Alright. And, you know, and you gotta know what it is. Like, game on. You you you we got one life to live. Right? So Right. He strikes
[01:28:46] Unknown:
broadest. Slash it. Right? I mean, what could happen? You can't survive this life either. So would you fight for it, what you got? Or would you just say, okay.
[01:28:56] Unknown:
Die. I die. Wings in stage 2. Wings in stage 2. Yeah. It's gotta be the number one mission. Wings on stage. And then and then and to get those wings, it's gonna be dignity, morality. You know what I mean? We're on the holodeck, so they know what we really did. They know what we're really doing. It was also on the mic speaking of the psychedelic conversation being a childhood Mike Tyson fan. Right? All his hot boxing with Mike Tyson, podcast episodes, and he's just explaining his DMT. One of those experiences, like, the pinnacle, download in my my whole theory. Right? Is the he's like, everyone could see. I I had no, secrets. They could all see and totally exposed.
And while we're while we're on the fund exchange, then there was another one, Joe Rogan. We talked Duncan Trussell talks he says what he saw is a highlight reel coming off of us when people did excellently beautiful things like charity for a homeless kid in private without wanting credit and all, you know, but, you know, $100 bill or something. You know? Highlight goes up to some mainframe of that kind you know, incredible Olympic is where bloop. He saw these, like, highlight reels from the holodeck of light that we're in, which to me, I can clearly see is the seed test. Right? It's like, you're gonna grow. You're not. And there's a divine gate keeping tribe making intelligence at the top doing what we're doing, making sure that it stays only the good. So, like, your ears are we're like, we're doing the right thing.
[01:30:37] Unknown:
Yes. 100%. Brandon, tell me, how do you study plant medicine? Because you you you did in your 5 to 6 years in the jungle, you you had, of sure, for sure, a lot of challenges. But how did you came to study, like, 60 plants? How how do you do that?
[01:30:57] Unknown:
Oh, well, I I just can't give a number because society wants to be given the number. Right. But you need a right. But you need a high if you you know, let's just say, like, the howler monkey of Central and South America, for example. You know? This the the ecologists have followed this and and seen that it eats a 120 different species, and they've got the species logged. That's one way of looking at it. Right? That's a very textbook classroom way of looking at it. Right? And then but when you're sitting in nature, what you actually see is, oh, they eat it all. They eat it all. They discriminate. Oh, they, you know, they like this a little bit more than this. Right? And then you and then you go back to you can go back to the books. You know, for said in the 1400, everything's a remedy, and it talks and it's the dose that decides. That's true. Right? You know? Too much water, isn't it? But then then but, again, if you're looking at nature and you're just existing in nature, you're, you're going slow and carefully.
You're not running around like a psychotic product of society that can't stop. You know what I mean? I I I got that. I got severe PST, TSD. That's why it led me into the jungle. You know? That's what led me into the jungle is. So, anyway, I, you in the jungle, what you see or in nature anywhere. It doesn't have to be the jungle, but the jungle is a great place because it's that equatorial zone where nature is on steroids, man. You're not gonna get higher, more dense growth culture than than that. So Right. Being there that does does help. It's a fun place to endeavor on the what should be a principle science of humanity. But, dude, it's, like, it's it's not even in in its infancy of a study. You know what I mean? We've been so far. That's why I'm just like, dude, good job, devil. Because we're so separated from the reality, the truth, that and then here's another thing. Like, I think as far as if our goal is to get long the range in Einstein even said it. Pay attention to nature. You'll understand everything better. It's the longest lasting technology.
It's the more it's what the universe is giving us, but we're just ignoring it or whatever. You know what I mean? And cultivating our egos. And, what now listen. E evil is a tool. Mike Tyson, they hypnotized him to punch through the you know, we have got amongst men in the ring. Right? So Right. We have these we have these tools. They're not us. They're tools under us. But wouldn't it be great if we could convince these stupid slaves that are outgoing, their intelligence that we want them to have? You know what I mean? To start thinking that they are their own eagles, and that's what their that's their that's the tip of the spear. That's not the tip of the spear. That's, like, way down here on on yeah. That's not even in the tip of the spear. That's in, like, the the the near the feathers.
Right? So but but it but it it's a tool, and it and it could be your self destructing device. Right? So we have to understand, like, the wholeness of each super freaking dynamic, and that's why you can tell that academia is removing us from where we're supposed to be and making people stupider and giving where do we get modern agriculture from now? But, interestingly, modern agriculture does go back. That's why I said those, images that he generated with that AI project were spread, dude. Yeah. Dude, because because, you know, and I'm from New Mexico. So for they take kids to the Kiva now. Hey. They're ancients even worshiped the corn god. That carbon dead biology records go goes from grass seed to corn kernel in the in the amount of an instant. You know what I mean? And and and and listen. Agriculture is to agriculture is the binary language of slavery, man. We're supposed to roam like every other animal. As an old you know, I've been an alternative.
I'm published at the United Nations Food and Agriculture Journals for being an agritulturist, but I'm actually an antiagritulturist. We need to work in a symbiotic process with nature. Okay? And nature doesn't nowhere does it give us the message that we are the master. And, because I do have hybrid ideas for us. The as far as, like, using drones to, exponentiate the ability. But, honestly, we should even do that because this is the solution for homelessness. This is the solution for non, violent incarceration. This is the solution for war. This is the solution for warmongers. You know what I mean? And the most more diverse, nature that functions to protect itself to greatly, which nature actually does. You just all see we just don't. The populace does just doesn't see it. And, but if we were able to do it exactly that loudly, we would never even be in a war on this movie. You know what I mean? And and it's yeah. And it's like that, in fact, never be in a war. That is so fucking stupid and way back there. You know what I mean? That it wouldn't even be a conscionable consideration anywhere near the stack of thought as we went at challenges.
You you know what I mean? And, and bro, from the Cleave Baxter test of the 19 sixties where we start to re realize that shit you were talking about where there is communication, there is transport of communication. We are totally removed from the real science that could be very well nuclear. I mean, right now, using a compost post, this is just basic baby step shit. People don't understand. Using a compost heap, I can generate electricity from my house. You know what I mean? Using a river, you know, using a river, I can generate, you know, through natural process. We can, actually have, at the end of the dead, a 50,000,000 times more nutritious, healthy, in line with the universe process of living and lifestyle than what we're using today. In fact, I even saw it just recently on the Star Trek episode. So it is our future. You know what I mean? That a race could be it's a it is one vein of potential future that a race could start to really embrace its nature, which we're gonna have to, ma'am. And, even in the understanding of terraforming new worlds, Elon, right, or whoever or whatever this is. You know what I'm saying? But what this is just a basic, a baby step understanding that I'm getting kind of irritated with people, the amount that people ignore it.
And, you know, when I've actually really got functional experiments in front of me that we should be doing. You know what I mean? And, they you know, there's an algae experiment going on in Austin, Texas Texas right now that's had such significant results. Like, they're restarting pieces of the Sahara with this algae insert into soil and stuff like that. That that's caught the attention of JFK. And again and so we gotta prove we do have to pay attention to what gets, you and I, what gets significant results for people in this journey because that's what gets paid attention to eventually on the large scale also.
[01:38:39] Unknown:
Oh, shit. And there he was. He just I just lost him. I think his phone died, or, maybe he's gonna come back. I don't know. Wow. What a crazy, conversation we have already about tribes, about crazy ants, about, the things you can find in nature that really connects with you. And, the thing is, we are nature. And everything, let's say, that it's the devil, tries to get you out of that way. He wants to disconnect you with nature. Because in the end, when you die, you will scattered all over the universe because some bugs will eat you if you die, and you'll you just are in a coffin. These bugs will be eaten by butter by by butterflies, not by butterflies.
They're they're not fucking carnivores. Okay. He's trying to get in again. But birds will eat, eat the bugs. Birds will shit you out somewhere on this planet. And, other things are, eating the birds, so you will scatter all over the place in the of us, the birds.
[01:39:57] Unknown:
So about that. I'm so sorry. Are you gonna be able to join this together?
[01:40:02] Unknown:
Yes. Of course. But I was just filling up the space because I knew you were coming back because you were just were a great rant about, you know, we are nature, man. So I think your phone died or your data died. What happened, man? It.
[01:40:16] Unknown:
Yeah. We're nature. Exactly.
[01:40:19] Unknown:
I I was Great. I was just telling the the audience, like, and and you know how how how we know that that we are nature. If you die, bugs are gonna eat you up. These bugs have been eaten by and I would say it again, butterflies. Butterflies don't eat bugs. Right? Or do they? No. They eat leaves. But, these these bugs will be eaten by, birds. The birds are gonna shit you out all over the fucking place. Birds will be eaten, and you would basically, when you die on a natural course, everything in nature is gonna take care of you that you are been all over the universe, dude.
[01:41:00] Unknown:
Yes. You just said it. You just said it. Yeah. Man, that was really, ultimate wording there, bro. That was that you are the ultimate wording champion right there, man. I'm gonna be using those.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
But it it's it's so it's it's so fascinating that, I think it was an, a test that they did in I think it was in New York. So they had 10 people that volunteered to, be on the farm and work for the farm. Right? And Okay. 10 other people, students were just, like, doing the basic stuff that you have to do. I think it it took, like, 2 or 3 months when they came back to the to the university. And, the, the professor said, what did you learn? And, the people from the farm said, oh, we learned so much about, you know, day and night, about the crops, all that stuff.
And, we really like to be out in nature and to take care of our own food and stuff like that. And he asked the same question to the people that were just living in the city doing the stuff. And he said, well, it it was already there. So they didn't learned anything. But now comes the fun part. The people from the farm were actually telling the professor and the other students, like, we feel a little bit guilty. And they said, why? Because we didn't do anything. We only worked for about 10 hours of strong to get the things going, you know, to to to plant all the stuff.
The the birds are taking care of the rest. You know, everything in nature has a purpose to to, to soil the ground, to take care of the bugs, to bugs taking care of all the stuff. Everything has a fucking purpose in nature, so we don't have to do anything. We have to keep an eye on it, but the crops grow themselves. So they had a really good time, And he said, we feel just like a little bit guilty about that we didn't do anything. And the people Yeah. I think that's the natural step and the regression. Natural thing. You get to be in nature. You're just like, what did you did to do? Oh, today, we went outside. We were, you know, harvesting some stuff. That takes some time. You know? And then maybe you work 12 hours or 13 hours, but then you harvest it. You don't have any purpose than maybe conservating or whatever the fuck you're gonna do tomorrow with the stuff that you harvest. So you gotta let it dry, or you're gonna prepare ill? I mean, that's the baby step raising consciousness that society as a whole needs, man. You know, right now, we are operating with zero guilt
[01:43:48] Unknown:
for some of the tragic, ridiculous shit we do to a living environment. And it's because it's because of this impressive disconnection. We don't feel it anymore. Though that in that you're touching on see, that's the hardest part about this is being a real boy in a fake world, man. It it makes you wanna cry constantly. It makes you real real emotions, you know, constantly. When you get out here to nature and start eating the diverse diet that you were intended to do, and you can find that 50,000,000 ways. Genesis 129. I give you all CBRE and plants that eat for food. Whatever. You know? Look at nature. Look at the animals what they're doing. Oh, I could do oh, man. Oh, shit. I feel so much better. I I I I feel so much stronger. I produce so much more pheromones. I stay more. I I my fingernails are thicker. My hair is glowy more. You know what I mean? Now I'm starting my cognition levels raise you the awareness where I see the mistake in the culture.
You know what I mean? And I have to and now I have this responsibility. I have to tell the next guy about it. Right. I kind of actually coming from the hellacious, homicidal syndrome I was coming from, I actually didn't even yeah. That that high hardcore feeling of responsibility to communicate this to other people until Rosa started getting at me, actually. And that's an interesting that I said that story at the beginning of this podcast because, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that she yeah. That she and then almost as if that tree that tree touching experiment when she came up to me and hit me with that, like, you know, I am 17 years into my mission.
I'm 55. I can see that you've been sent to me, son. Right? Right. Whatever. Right? To be the communicator of this to the to the masses. You know what I mean? Fine. You know? I mean, not to pat myself on the my own back or nothing, but, you know, finally, a young disciple actually understands this to the level that you do and verbal speaking. And I when I received the communication, it was like a mule jumped up and kicked me in the face. Oh, yes. You'd and it was it was it was it was 15 months down the path of making content for the you know what I mean? That that branch. And I've known her since 2014.
[01:46:28] Unknown:
Oh, But that that's the thing. Once you get into that, let's say into your own divine consciousness, that by meditating, by listening to yourself, by being the fucking nut job as I am, walking with a squirt, bare feeted in the fucking nature in December in the Netherlands, I don't give a shit, man. No. We're the nut jobs. We're the nut jobs. But the thing is, especially with some things that you some knowledge that you get or like a movie. No. When you see a movie like, oh, that is like the best movie ever. We're gonna shout it out off the fucking rooftop. Nobody's gonna listen.
The only thing that you can do is say, okay. I got some real good stuff that you can maybe check out if you're, you know are you a movie fan? Oh, yeah. Fuck. I love movies. Oh, here's the kind of movie that I I saw that I really liked. So you will be very much more, less enthusiastic. But you you you give them the knowledge or the the the bread crumbs to to to check it out.
[01:47:39] Unknown:
And then, eventually, they will look and say, wow. That was a great thing. That goes with everything, with the knowledge that you have with plant based, but with with with nature, all that stuff, you can shout it up. You you can shove someone Well, I think you're right doing the podcast. Like, that answer you gave earlier, I think that really is truly right. And I didn't realize that until 15 months down the road. Like I said, I thought all this shit was the freaking enemy. I thought this is how people are getting so sick. But now I'm seeing the path illuminates as you walk it. You're not gonna walk all these paths. You know? Now I'm seeing that, that this is actually the play the only crack maybe. You know?
I really do take what you're doing seriously, man, and I really respected your response when you explained that because I'm I'm learning right now at this very last 6 months chump of time that, oh, shit. This is where free minds are actually able to speak above and check it out. All the consistency, the rhythm and nature, and all our different personalities that have been unlocked is we can't leave the guys behind. And that is like that is it all makes sense right there, actually, because that's the impression that we need to adhere to, you know, that sacrificial. It's it's about it's about everybody else, panning that we need to adhere to that makes us survivable
[01:49:15] Unknown:
the longest in nature. Yes. What what we are doing right now is and I I get you, man, because I got the same thing, like, oh, oh, being on Zoom and stuff like that. You know? Or they pointed out just for, you know, that everybody can, when when when when the fights and whatever the ill attitude. And I Yeah. And I had it And they they had they had to put it up because they can work from home and then you can, you know, your boss is gonna check-in you. Just like all this technical stuff and all this this stupid stuff they're gonna put on the television, all that stuff. But now I think like, wait a minute. When I have the same technology, 10 years ago, I couldn't be like a producer by myself, you know, editing videos and stuff like that. There wasn't software. There was no hardware to do that. Now I can produce the stuff that I wanna get out, and everybody gets to, you know, whatever I say, don't take for granted. Do your own research. Right? But if you resonate with it and if you feel like, oh, wow. This is this is kind of cool stuff. Thank you. You know? Thank you. Dude, thank you for that. You know? You have to have Thank you for doing that. Yes. You gotta do but you got there's no other way I can talk to the world in the most easiest way. You know, I maybe I could get, you know, be be a famous guitarist or whatever the fuck or or artist. And then I'm gonna gain some audience. And then I'm gonna gain some some public speaking. And then I can say my message. But now I just gonna record this message, put it out, and the ones that listen resonate, and and otherwise, they would say, like, oh, dude, you gotta check out this podcast. Wow. Thank you. You know?
[01:50:58] Unknown:
I think the code dude 1,000 and all those deliveries are are very effect those are the deliveries. Those artistic deliveries to the senses, 1,000. And I think in the word sense, what we're doing right here, the thing to say to modern culture from our side is, dude, if you just care what everyone else thinks and you live in that frame, there's no way you're ever gonna get to your destiny place ever because you're living and being framed by what's cool, what everyone thinks, what the job thinks, and we all we gotta know we gotta know that we can outperform the paycheck in quality of life even if it's not even if it's not a you know, you gotta create the paycheck and then seed your tribe ranks with, it's either 1 or 2. You either walk like Ken or you create a whole new paycheck. And and I have to say real fast. I have to say what that is. This is this is this is this is where this is where we go, tribe. Okay? This is this is the place. We go out here and we do this thing called gorilla permaculture, which I'm already figuring out, which is growing a permaculture on land that you specifically do not own. Nobody's we specifically don't own it. That's the biggest scam besides the the money, you know, I print here you go. I'll use that. You know, here's something you'll use the amount for me. Right? You know what I mean? Stab a big a flag. Write a document. You didn't make this land. You know what I mean? And you went and oh, wait. You killed all the people that thanked above for it.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Oh, me. You know what I mean? So we're not working for you anymore. We're going out here. We can we don't need you to send through the distributed toxic and fuck food system, and we're gonna grow on land that we don't own. That's animals. That's with all we it's already all there. So we can just enhance that nature, and we can go out there as a tribe of truth, living, bold spirits, integrating with the universe as we were intended to in this holodeck natural thing, and then, produce, oh, this wonder wonderland parrot avatar movie paradise with all these new cultivars. And, dude, I could show I can make you a kitchen meal right now. You'll be like, what? What what have I been eating? You know what I mean? Because this person from this tribe grows this, and it's a whole different flavor. It's all different nutritional spectrum, and it's minus all the chemical stuff. You know what I mean? And now you're thinking on a whole new level. You're presenting on a whole new level. Dude, it was a couple years ago. I didn't even talk to people. I was just saying, I don't have anything to say to you. You know what I mean? I don't have anything. I don't I don't have anything to hear to you. You know what I mean? I can't wait to go listen to that, and you just shook up.
And it's was like, that was really truly my attitude. And through that, I felt that just like the Rosa's original tribe. You know what I mean? These people never they wanted to reintegrate. It's through this sacrificial do for others. Don't leave them behind. Don't let them keep killing and destroying this nature, this ever so patient and loving nature, you know, and, and next to for let's fulfill our destiny roles standing up and fighting for this stuff. Right? So we go up and and see that's the thing. Once we can if we could establish this now and we could do it with drones, dude, here's the really the master put like, one, like, you could if we could get you know what I mean? And then you could have a that society would accept for maybe some kind of programming investment. I don't know. I'm just actually looking because I know you could do this completely organically, and there's thousands of people out on the street that need to do this right now. You know? And but how to facilitate it? You know what I mean? You do need to just because, generationally, we have not established this for ourselves.
We do need to make that quick dip and leverage the money system and get some financing to this, but establish the real deal people and the real deal land, which is everywhere. And we think he's been making I even experimented with some kids a couple years ago in a volunteer program making an app to where we could be like, alright. Here's the way. You know what I mean? We can get this new because, dude, even the agriculture information, it is out there, but you gotta specifically look for it. It's hard find. You gotta really do your research. And if you really wanna get there, then you gotta bite off stuff like Rudolf Steiner's biodynamic agriculture.
[01:55:49] Unknown:
And and now Rudolf Steiner is is is a is a is a gold word when it comes to that stuff. The the the thing is, living in the Netherlands, we are, I think, the second place with a very small country of the biggest food producers in the world. So what the when they cultivate the land right here, the farmers, I don't know if you know anything about a farmer protest and stuff like that. They wanna, so the government wants to buy all the land or they're gonna throw them away, and some of the farmers already killed themselves.
[01:56:23] Unknown:
So okay. Because this is the answer for that too. Yes. So so, Dar, the thing the thing is,
[01:56:30] Unknown:
the farmers built the Netherlands. They they were called, of course, like, a few 100 years ago, pagans. They word into the Roman, Christian kind of stuff. They they were just doing cattle and and harvest some stuff on the land, and they got good in it. So when you're talking to a farmer here in the Netherlands, you you probably talking to, a heritage of several 100 of years of being farmland in the family, cultivating the land on the most beautiful way in nature with nature. Yeah. So what happens really here is, imagine that you can't build your crop or grow your crop on every single piece of our world.
Because it's the world's a very harsh environment. Right? So you got mountains, you got snow, you got, a lot of, sand, like like deserts and stuff like that. So, Europe, especially the place where I live, like the Netherlands is is very, greenish. So you have a lot of crop. The thing is, once a government is gonna tell you that you can't do that anymore, that's really not only hard for the families of these farmers. It's really hard for the fucking world. So what you can do is print your fucking meat, spray your fucking crop, give you fake whatever the fuck. You see it already on Tik chat. It has more corporate troubleshoot.
Yes. The thing, this right thing is Yeah. The app. Mhmm. Yeah. The other thing is when you when you, coming back to you, what what you're saying about your paycheck, a paycheck was in the in the early days called salary. That word comes from salt. Salt was very, very expensive. It contains a lot of minerals, which was good for you. Right? So when you got a paycheck, you got some grains of salt. Nowadays, you can find salt, especially table salt everywhere. The first thing you should do when you are at home is throw away all the fucking table salt. Take Himalaya pink, Himalaya salt, or Celtic sea salt. These are the real salaries.
But coming back to your word, like the paycheck, nowadays, we see a paycheck with the money that comes in. Money doesn't have any value if I gonna say, like, okay. Here's a piece of paper. I'm gonna write that $100. If you say it's worth $100, it has to be worth for some other people worth Yeah. $100. When I come with €100 to America, I say, here, you got €100 to say, what the fuck is that? I can't Yeah. What should I do with it? Right? So it depends on how we think about paycheck. If you have paycheck with the community that you are with a lot of people working on the land, doing the stuff with the children, with, educate them, being together, making a bonfire, eating stuff, you know, all that stuff. That's the fucking paycheck, dude.
Totally. They've been close your eyes, and you are at rest and have all this did this like, wow. When you have that, and that is called your paycheck, you're the most richest people in the world, man.
[01:59:57] Unknown:
So true. Even if you were to build something inside the ill society, if you built it for love, the product would be 10 times different and better and more glorious than if you built it just to get the profit thing. Because this is like an intermarry intermarryant way of explaining it. But a couple of things I thought of when you were talking about that, like, in the sense of Holland, I'm very familiar with Holland's agriculture, and they are very cutting edge, especially with flowers and fruits and different and and and also in in cannabis and just the you know, they've hit the magazines for incredible stuff all the way, but they are primary monoculture, modern agriculture place. And this whole protest, all this upset and everything, dude, they could totally pivot, reroute.
It okay. They could pivot, reroute, start growing new things and new places in a new way. Alright? And they don't even need that that whole thing. And I think the the the government trying to come at that in some sort of, like, aggressive way, especially if they were using the species. See, we're all with even right there, it's just like, we wanna grow what we wanna grow. We don't wanna eat what's provided in that region. You know what I mean? We're gonna make it grow the tasty, the good stuff. Not everything, you know, take your bitters. That's a phrase from old school childhood. Right? You know, you we know a a spoonful of sugar helps medicine go down. We know some of these highly nutritional substances, caffeines and all this stuff and stuff that we get stimulants. They're bitter. They're not the best tasting things. You know? The and and and and they wanna get off the right. Yeah. Lots of those different, ingredients are pungent on the senses in an unpleasant way. And some of those, including hot foods, spicy foods are some of the most medicinal, most athletic performance supportive, substances out there. Right? So Mhmm. But we negate those facts and give me the sugar shack which causes bone decay, tube decay, right, all these kinds of things, these crazy, refined excess, dude. I can't you can't find too many crops that'll damage you. They you can't find too many plants in nature that will damage you. Like, that's hard to do. Again, you know what I mean? That is a old into ancient devilish intelligence that knows more about biology than anybody else. I mean, it's poisonous in us in this really specific, excellent, impressive way. You know? And there's 1,000 of those. You know what I mean? And then, so, you know, you know, the black magic stuff, the cocaine, the you know what I mean? All these other, you know, that that is those are, you just distillations and and concentrations, from from nature and and extreme applications. That that's what I'm saying. If we just go to hold food, animal, natural natural consumption here, fuck it, dude. Forget guru permaculture. Okay? How about nature culture?
We just go eat what is there, dude. We don't need their system. We this is all a lie. We just figure out what's right in front of us wherever we're at. You know what I mean? And start using that. And, back to the basics is that, the is everything is a toxic and a remedy. It's the dose that decides. So figure out what that dose is plus homeopathic medicine was generally initiated. The idea that you take a known toxic dose of something and build up your immune system stronger to it. And we've seen several, cultures in history as well. Fear, yours is also right. The and and and ancient culture where they do, they veer away from the the comforts and constructs of other men, and they get into the wild nature and ambition and motivational, spiritual, wonderful, freaking place.
You know what I mean? And they're like, y'all are idiots. You know what I mean? And that that process can happen again in a very strong way. And and, yeah, it just comes down to how to to to assure that in, which it seems like this is the way to do it. And, hopefully, the right people, like, hear this and, get in touch with us, and our our tribe grow grows with those extra valuable souls. And, this thing just really goes nuclear be because why wouldn't this science be just as entrepreneurial as rockets to Mars? You need the science.
You need the science to go do shit like that.
[02:04:51] Unknown:
Yes. And and the the the the the great thing about what you just said is that it's really very easy to achieve because if we don't buy the stuff that they produce, that we know that's fucked up, they won't produce it after a while because there's no business model about producing stuff that nobody buys. So if you go to the grocery store and you just cut out, like, 80 5, maybe 9% of all the products that have been there, and you don't feed your little children that are so precious to you with this with the sugary stuff and all that stupid bullshit that doesn't allow that doesn't have to be in in in your fucking system, They they they not gonna produce that anymore.
So maybe they can, give you the printed beef burger from, from, Bill Gates. But if you're gonna tell him, like, fuck off. I don't want that. He's not gonna produce that because there's there's no way to keep a factory going when nobody's gonna buy the stupid stuff that you're gonna produce. And do that. Easy like that, man. I mean, I I'm I'm very fortunate fortunate that I live here in the Nellis that I go to a farmer and to get some real eggs from from from, chickens that walk around in the farm. I can get my cucumber, tomatoes, all that stuff, all plant based. And there's
[02:06:14] Unknown:
yeah. And there's a million species. So what we gotta do, I'm I'm I'm figuring from this conversation, is we gotta support the small farmer who uses the least toxic cultivation method dates, and we gotta start trying to eat what just naturally goes around us, you and me, and then share that information with each other and others and start to create cooking and fermentation and, fresh eating concoctions with those ingredients because there's it's everywhere. Right? So it's just imagine
[02:06:48] Unknown:
They don't need that much. So, man, the first thing what you gotta do is is, when you're waking up tomorrow, figure out like, okay, when do I really want something, and what can I put in my body to ease the hunger? Because here in the west world, we do not have, like, grave for hungry. You know, we we can't be hungry.
[02:07:11] Unknown:
Or can I subsidize my nutrition with a little bit of that all?
[02:07:17] Unknown:
Key. So you got Okay. You know, first of all, you got something like interminate fastening, which which is could could really help you with the benefit of your health and about your balanced food and the stuff. Stuff like that. And then if you're gonna put something inside of you, take some high fats like olive oil, coconut oil, or or some some nuts. Dude, I can go for 2 or 3 hours on on few nuts. You know, chew them really you don't take that not look at it just like, wow. That's beautiful piece of nature I got here. It's coming from a tree. It took like one season to grow that. And somebody harvest this, this beautiful knot. Look at it, smell it, feel it. It feels like nature, Right? It feels like something really organic. Put it in your mouth. Wait just one second before you're gonna chew it, and you're gonna consume it.
Dude, that nut will be like,
[02:08:12] Unknown:
holy fuck. That will Yeah. You do truly want to yeah. Yeah. No. I love what you have to say. You do truly want to diversify. I would say 90% of your living foods because most of your meats, you're gonna be cooking, so they're not living anymore. But I would like to say eat get, start start to subsidize your diet as much as you possibly can with things that you grow on your own with those kids who were just talking about who will actually finally eat grains in in amazement. Like, woah. I do this. Oh, I can do this. Super happy experience that they need, that they've been removed from also. But then if you can go out to nature and start learning the things that are around you that are herbal, that it's all, dude. It's all it's all, you I've been doing this for a long time, man, and a lot of people will argue with me. A lot of agriculturalists from Holland right now will argue with me about potential of actually oh, you can't do that. That's crazy. Talk good, bro. You will hear it, man. And you know what I mean? But I I continue to, press. You know what I mean? That please try it before you make that argument. You know what I mean? And, and, and and I think that we can completely 1000% derive a way better nutrition that's in the grocery store. I mean, quantum leap is better nutrition than what's in the grocery store. In fact, I don't think we there is no the way I understand biology now, there is no human way. There's no universal way that we are experiencing what we're supposed to be experiencing, eating such a limited, narrow, toxic nutritional spread. You need this highly diverse you know what I mean? Yes. Meats are great. I love what Sean Baker, another new Mexican, is doing with the carnivore diet and Jordan Peterson and all these guys, and that's all great, and it's very scientific. And and so is the fasting. And in fact, do a 4 day fast and a 5 day fast. Right before you walk up to that spiritual plant, you're having that intense high level intuition about that no one's having and find out what it really is on a 4 day empty stomach and then put the leaf in the lip and then swallow it if there's no heavy reaction right here after a couple hours. Right? And then, I'll get some more of it until you find the what society would call the medical effect of minimum effective dose.
And and, now you've got that. Now you know what this plant is really talking about. It might even say something to you. You know? And then, and then and then you know how to use it all of a sudden in this grand diverse combination that's right in front of us that we walk right by and piss on and do a piece of trash into. But when we clear a piece of land, specifically, all those herbs that come in from the higher intelligence regardless of a bird or a beer, whatever you speak, it is now in mind from your classroom. All that stuff that comes in is totally healing herbs in the proper doses.
But then once you find once you start then then leave all that shit behind too. Because once you start actually eating the nutritional diversity, all that toxic guy toxic cation information goes to out the window as well because Oh, yes. You have the proper yeah. If you have the proper diversity, what was once a toxin even at that measured dose when you're doing the fasting example is now a key ingredient to this nuclear strategic diet you've put together because you went out there and you did all these crazy steps that everyone's gonna call crazy. You know what I mean? And then you finally got to this place where you can make the dynamic intuition that all these animals in nature that you think are so much dumber, but they have that cognition that you'd be robbed from. And then I think just saw this coming together. Now we have our true human potential. You know what I mean? And, ma'am, I I wanna also say I am a student in the infancy stages of this as well. You know what I'm saying? I have 1 or 2 or 3 concoctions that I might make, and then they get a little bit more dynamic. But, man, this can go on forever, and you can Yes. Totally, totally, totally a runner from fucking Barbados who's already smoking. Everybody can go fuck around out here and come up with some shit to add seconds to his sprint time. 1000%.
And this is that's what I'm saying. Like, this pursuit can go on for so long. And then and then and and I don't wanna mislead people. The human relationship, cultivating nature between us, it's hugely important. We're not gonna we're gonna come like, but I'm just even realizing through this conversation. 1st, let's break off and do this hardcore rugged natural thing. Now let's come back and do this more delicate strategic cultivation thing where we're actually doing biochars and terrapadas and these high level organic knowledges from Rosa, from all these other different sciences. And we're doing an enhanced nature garden. There's smokes anything we've never even seen before.
[02:13:24] Unknown:
That's it. But that's it. It's built for it. Our planet is built for that. Not for the soy, not for the stupid stuff that we're we're we're we're the concrete jungle that we're living in and that they wanna put us in. Like Which is not a bad endeavor.
[02:13:41] Unknown:
We we It's not a bad gained some things from it. But it's like it's like it's like the weak position metaphysically that I was saying you have to attack. I'm not gonna blame you if you get hit by a truck and you need a few days to learn to walk. But if you stay there in that misguided victim mentality, if we stay here in this misguided harmful fucking format for so long now that we can blame ourselves for. Yes.
[02:14:08] Unknown:
Yes. Brandon, I oh, man. This is a great conversation. We touched base on so many things. I really love to talk to you, man. But time flies when you want this organized budget. We're already 2 2 hours and a little bit in. I was 1? Yeah.
[02:14:25] Unknown:
I was like, when is this gonna end? But, hey,
[02:14:29] Unknown:
Well, let's wrap let's wrap it up. What what's your, what's your last train of thought that you want to, share with, with the audience?
[02:14:38] Unknown:
I'm super grateful to be here on your podcast, and we connected with you, bro. I get to know you this way. I am enlightened by this entire process, which I didn't think I would be. I'm in utmost respect for you and Benjamin who has found this delivery format and importance, and has taken action, not just discovered it, but has taken action and stood up to that call and responsibility because I know it's good with you guys in the face of all these evil beings, which is, like, the utmost pose, posture, and and courage that we we need so bad. Like, that's really what I see is, like, coming back from nature to society. It's like, everybody's wrapped in so much fear and fakeness and avoidance of their destiny calls and responsibilities and duties to do the good things and to do the honest things and to you know, a lot of people were just, like, guilty of letting go live. Right, man? And, you know, when it comes to these hardcore missions and these hardcore challenges, we really learned the hardcore truth that you're one of the ones worst ones. If you just stand there and let the the child get abused and not do and be okay with that and send that signal that it's okay to the abused thing or or you know what I mean? We can't stand by anymore. So I got super and I was intimidated for this longest time to even engage with this whole scenario. And, I'm so glad I have.
And this is just another confirmation that I'm doing the right thing. So thank you, bro. And this has been wonderful. 2 hours. I'm so glad I did this, and this has been so helpful for my next delivery. It's my prayer that if anyone does find this, that maybe they do call the crazy guy with a crazy thing to say. He'll be like, let's do this. This is real.
[02:16:32] Unknown:
Mhmm. There's always a there was I I I like this one, by the way, because it has a heart in it. You know, the Mudras. I don't know how I figured this one out, but I really like this one. So it's yes. Yes. Exactly. But that that that's that's that's one of the deepest connections that you have, and that's that's that's what I wanna point out with with with this and especially you as a listener and especially you as a guest, Brandon, do whatever the fuck you want because the world needs it. Be authentic, speak out, don't hold back, and tell tell what's on your tell what's on your, on your heart, you know, because we we need that. We need that kind of stuff. And, don't be afraid about, you know,
[02:17:18] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm a and realize that nature is a disorganized production.
[02:17:24] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yes. Which is organized in a way to you know? That's by the way, this is, this is my puppet. It's my disorganized puppet. Mhmm. That loves it. That's like, wow. Wow. So that's it. That's it. You know? And live life through the fullest. Have respect and and love to each other, even if it's really hard. Just like I mentioned in this podcast, sometimes it's really hard to give some love to some people that fuck you over or whatever. But you say, okay. You know what? Okay. Don't wanna deal with it anymore. That's okay. That's okay. But the other is if they come back and they're wounded, give them the stuff that you would also when you fucked up. You know?
That's that's something that's, and and it's just like say, it's not like an easy thing to do, or even for me when this, will happen to me. But I think that that's that's gracious, and that's the humbleness that you have to have to support each other in in this in this fight. Because sometimes life is a fucking fight, man, and it's not even, you know, don't judge judge a book by its cover. And sometimes you have to read between the lines what's really going on with some people. And everyone is,
[02:18:37] Unknown:
struggling and fighting their fight. You know? And, yeah. It's for you too. Deep deep eyeballs go to deep places.
[02:18:46] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. And for all your listeners out there, thank you for listening to this episode of this organized productions. Have a beautiful day, beautiful night, or beautiful evening, beautiful morning wherever you are in this beautiful plain planet. Thank you. He wasn't always kind, and he couldn't fulfill my dreams. He's a pain in the ass.
[02:19:39] Unknown:
Black as at night, god
Introduction and Host Welcome
Special Guest: Brandon Angel
14 Questions with Brandon
Brandon's Journey and Challenges
Experiences in the Jungle
Returning to Society
Plant Medicine and Spiritual Insights
Moral and Ethical Reflections
Building a Community and Network
Nature and Human Connection
Future Visions and Goals
