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Welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions, where we dive into the mystical world of runes and ancient scripts with our special guest, Zerilath. In this episode, we explore the fascinating history and uses of runes, from their origins in ancient cultures to their modern applications in divination and personal growth. Zerilath shares insights into the significance of runes, their connection to Norse mythology, and how they can be used for protection, creativity, and personal empowerment.

We also delve into the rituals and practices associated with runes, including the importance of choosing the right materials and the process of activating them. Zerilath discusses the spiritual and metaphysical aspects of runes, offering a glimpse into the deeper meanings behind these ancient symbols.

In addition to runes, we touch on the world of tarot and how it compares to runic practices. Zerilath provides a live reading, offering insights into the energies and influences at play in the host's life.

Throughout the episode, we also explore Zerilath's background in extreme metal music, his journey into the world of the occult, and his personal experiences with spiritual practices. Join us for a captivating discussion that blends ancient wisdom with modern insights, offering a unique perspective on the power of runes and the mystical arts.

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[00:00:00] Unknown:

Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby.  

[00:00:04] Unknown:

What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the lore.  

[00:00:30] Unknown:

Welcome fellow human to the disorganized   productions podcast.   The show that fuels your spirit,   ignites your potential,   and helps you become the best version of yourself.   I'm your host, Rob,   and each episode,   we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential,   and conquer life's challenges.   Hey there, fellow human.   Welcome to another episode of Disorganized   Productions.   If you wanna get in contact with me,   please be free and write an email to disorganized productions   at gmail dot com.  

If you want to check out more stuff that I'm doing, please check my link tree, which is also slash   disorganized   productions.   And for all you producers   out there that helped the show, that liked and subscribed, and even donate   to the show,   thank you.   Without any further ado,   enjoy   the show. The show.   Alright.   Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human,   welcome to another episode of disorganized   productions.   If I'm not pronouncing   it incorrectly, I think it's episode   83.   But I'm disorganized, so, you probably know better than me what kind of episode this is. We have a special guest today. We're gonna talk about a subject that's,   really interested me for quite some time.  

I even purchased   some of the items that we're gonna talk about, and I wanna know more.   Today's guest is from the Northeast of America,   United States of America,   Zero Liat.  

[00:02:30] Unknown:

Alright. How's it going?  

[00:02:33] Unknown:

Not too bad. How about you?  

[00:02:35] Unknown:

Good. Good. Good. Making all sorts of new friends. I've known Stein for a while, and then   I knew that Stein for quite a while just like homie's just not getting a whole bunch of guests, and he's great. He does a great podcast interview, great ideas,   great points.   Right. So I just hit him up, and I said, hey, hey, Broski.   I'll give you, like, a thing every week because it looks like you need a filler. Like, if you want, like, I'll do, like, readings as, like, a weekly thing for a little bit. Right? And I I was and and me, that's I'm more thinking   I mean,   the law of gebo. I have to think about myself,   obviously.  

But when I think of myself, it's just like there's no way I go for my personal gain without being interested in   helping somebody with personal gain. Right? So that's me making my agreement with Stein. And then I I missed it last week, and then I,   and then I was able to catch it,   and actually get started yesterday.   And,   it must have been it must have been a divine reason to get started,   yesterday because   I got a lot of amazing reception from from everybody,   a lot of new interest.   It's it's great. I'm doing,   some of the things I'm supposed to be doing here.  



[00:03:58] Unknown:

Good.   Because Stein,   shout out to Stein from the Greyhorn podcast.   I had him Greyhorn Pagan   podcast. I think that's the right word.   I had him in a show. We're gonna do collaborate also together.   And and,   finally, yesterday evening, I was listening to the episode you did with Stein. I know some people that were in the group and where you did a direct reading on. It was live on YouTube, I think.   And boy, did you hit target. So,   for example,   all the the characteristics   of the people,   you pointed out just with the runes. Because today, we're going to talk about   runes, runestones.  

Runes is a very, very old way to,   to write basically, right? Yes.   So,   runes have some tip well, most people think   about   Vikings when you're talking about runes, but that is not really   it. Right? So please tell us a little bit about runes and about yourself,   sir Elias.  

[00:05:12] Unknown:

Thank you. Thank you. So,   as I am up to date with the,   archaeological   studies, the anthropological   studies,   in the modern,   sense of our tracking of of of history and what and who we are.   So, like, the runes   were used for a little bit of writing,   but it was this thing of, of of script that existed   out of context because it wasn't of the culture to be literate   at the time that these runes were.   It was it was a highly   are arcane   kind of   it it it meant something arcane   that people,   have worked very hard to rationally,   figure it out. And over time, we got more and more information as more and more aspects of oral tradition were discovered from listening to people, telling stories about the folklore,   gaps that could be bridged when old Norse   found its script when the when the because,   the people we do know that the people that would have been using runes   would have been speaking   in old German or old Norse or or one of these in that family of languages. And there's a Mhmm. There's an a kinship. There's an a kinship to many different kinds of runes, not just the Norse Germanic, but   the Etruscans   have runes that are very, very, very similar. Right?  

I've used a little bit of their   their runes,   in in some, runic sigil craft I used   in making a sigil to represent this name I call myself   My family did not call me Xeralath. Xeralath is   is a name that   is a it's an energy frequency I choose to live   at and I took it from 2 words in Etruscan   right? Which   means a free thinking   or or free single individual like like it kind of like means 1 like it's like the like the number like the word for the number one almost is kind of what's implied by it. Right? And it's an individuality   thing. Right? I'm an Aries. I got,   that's a big part of my psyche is   being the unique one. I have to be the one who's not doing exactly what everyone else is doing. Right.  

And then   Zelophe.   Zelophe is basically like a priest or a shaman. It's a cultural functionary.   And to me, I said, okay. That's a guy they need to perform ceremonial duty. That person has to be of a of a of a metaphysical   relationship with the world if they're gonna bother to appoint them to ceremonial   position. Mhmm. Right? So that's basically an Etruscan word for a shaman, perhaps as a Zelophe.   So, therefore, I am Zelophe.  

[00:08:17] Unknown:

Uh-huh.   So when you talk about runes, it's,   one of the oldest scriptures that has been found   in this world when it comes to   human   scripture. Right?  

[00:08:33] Unknown:

It's very, very old. I do not know how it stacks with other early writing   systems.   What I do know is is that,   the men of the north, the Arctic   peoples, are a little bit younger   than the tropical   peoples as per how things panned out,   during the pleiocene   era, which, we commonly understand as the ice age,   in which in, once you get esoteric about history starts asking questions about Atlantis   or the time when all land was ice, Alt.   Because I also, I also have been doing a deep dive into the box saga, which I also get into into   aspects of language   that are helping me understand in my studies specifically the elder Futhark rune system   of the Norse.  



[00:09:29] Unknown:

It's it's the most,   it's the most usable,   I think, the Fohr park.   Or Fohr park, as they say, probably in Sweden.   And I'm I'm just it's not that I'm,   this attracted by you or whatever.   I have   to put some new data into my network because otherwise, you are being a little bit   so the data will transfer a little bit better. So   that's been said.   That's been wrapped. Okay. So Okay. Cold pack.   What I use a lot   almost on a, on a strongly because I don't have weekdays or weekends. I have strong ends and strong days.   In a strong, I use,   especially when I'm going to travel   some binding rooms   to protect me. So protection   for traveling,   for creativity.  

And I'll always use Fehu.   And you know that one, of course, of course, too.   I know a little bit things about the runes,   but someone told me and,   you spoke to her briefly or you you you picked her runes yesterday.   She told me, normally, when you're gonna take wounds,   you gotta make them from a fruit bearing   tree.   Is that correct?  

[00:11:02] Unknown:

Okay. Alright.   Okay. You're you're talking about what you heard from Nick Oracle?  

[00:11:07] Unknown:

No. No. Solara, I think you picked yesterday. She knows about Yesterday yesterday. Yeah. Gotcha. Like, I was,  

[00:11:14] Unknown:

yeah, like, just recent, I thought you were sightings, the last reading I did on my channel. Sorry. Okay. No prob.   Haven't checked yet. Sorry. K. To to you have to pick it from a fruit bearing tree.   You know what?   There I I am certain   that the wood that you are using is going to have   different kinds of effects. It depends, I think,   I I think that you can   expect a certain effect   from different fruit bearing,   trees that you're gonna give it to. And you may expect   something different   from one that is not   fruit,   fruit bearing. Right?  

My main rune set is,   is made from Hollywood.   And then, and it it came from the leftovers   from a larger,   wand,   a big wand, kinda like a scepter,   that I created out of the Hollywood and then I use the rest of it,   to notch into   what was like my first personally made,   run run set. I can make I make my own and, you know, I work with   what I got available,   out there. And I think that also   there's magic in all sorts of different plants for all sorts of different purposes. So, you know, you you you go into the into the metaphysical,   you know, the mythology of the herbalism,   then it's not so important that it bears   fruit, but that you know   what the context of   context is of the plant. You know, for instance,   the Hawthorne,   bush   is, this very thorny bush.  

And in a certain,   and the hoth,   letter of the Om script,   which I I do not know the Om script very well, but   I found this out because I was looking at astrological   correspondences   because the Hoth   script   is associated   with   the time of year that I am born. It's a very Aries thing,   and it's a very thorny plant. Thus, it's got the Thrisaz   runic,   correlation to it, which is also Thor. And Thor,   and Ares   have a deeply profound relationship to each other. This is part of the reason why Thor is a redhead.   It is an association to Mars   in context   to certain things.  



[00:13:55] Unknown:

Mhmm. Which really fascinates me is that,   that that there are some rituals   performed before you're gonna use the runes.   Is that right? With water and with, fire   and all this stuff to to to, let's say, so when you're going to purchase a new sack, I don't know if it's going to call it a sack. But if if you're going to purchase some new runes,   do you have to,   make a ritual to make them work better with the energies of yourself and your home and stuff like that?  

[00:14:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. You do. Right?   The more thoughtful you become, Right? You know, like, there is   there is more magical power in something where   from   from the initiation of the idea of wanting to,   let's just say I wanted to take a stick right like, here, I'll give you a good example.   I've got these guys here.   These guys have been,   chilling on my altar for some time. I gathered them from good,   sticks cut from debris while I was doing yard work at the house.   And just intuitively,   I used my intuition,   and I said,   this spot on these branches, I'm clipping them loose, and I'm gonna use them   for making runes. I've got   a a a new rune set for my stealth I wanna make, and I've got a rune set as   a gift in thanks for some gifts that I got from someone else that I intend to do. So I've been sitting here on the altar, letting it get a charge to   from my altar in attenuation.  

And then I'm gonna have a methodical   process by which I go and I use whatever tools of my choice   to, begin cutting them. I may, you know, chant the name of the rune as I'm cutting the chip before I've even etched it in. There's all sorts of different things, and there's gonna be private and personal details to rituals.   It's why you should never give away the whole thing. You just kinda wanna give away guidelines or an infrastructure,   but you don't wanna tell you don't wanna write down in your diary every little freaking, like,   piece of genetic material you included,   in your,   divine circle. Right? That's that's between you that's between you and the higher force.  

Anyway   so at any rate and then at some point when you are done with all of these, you're gonna want,   and you've gone through the next step in the process of   carving them and curing them,   you're going to   want to   activate them in some way, shape, or form. You know? I may be so inclined to do blood over intent, which is the simp which is the simplest of and safest of blood rituals, which is where you you you get you cut your hand slightly and you let it bleed on the item and and then that puts a little bit of your magical   genetic infusion   that is replenishable by the merits of the life force energy in your own system.  

So it all works. Right? You know?   And, and and then by the end of all that stuff and you've, like, you've breathed sage over it and all this yada yada yada, and you've toned them out, you know,   you intuitively, you'll feel it all set because you'll know because they're you know,   you gotta be able to have the cognizance to write your own rituals. Right? Right.   I don't,   I don't like people that get, like that just live   in in, in the books that they read. And every everything is a to the letter banishing ritual of the pentagram, da da da da da. It's it's like   like, stop looking at the rituals.  

Wait. You're you're not even ready to fucking draw the mat the circle of the magician yet. You need proper knowledge and wisdom. You need to understand what you can actually do with yourself as a magical fucking being instead of the   by which you can entice a demon to do your will.   Right. Because that's most of what the rituals that you see out there that are all the talk of the town are about. Right? Because there's something in there to talk about, which is the the method, the process. Here's how the little symbols work. Here's the steps,   that you go through. Here's all the invocations and evocations.  

Here's the elements,   that you need. Here's the sacrifices   you have to make, so on and so forth.   Right? And then at the end of the day, you're just talking about how proud you are of how well you followed through and then had an experience.   Right? And,   and,   at the end of the day, it's just like, okay. Great. You get the experience. And,   you know,   what's what's   what are you getting out of that? What what's what's what's getting what's going up there for you? Right? What's getting   more powerful and, you know, are you healthier? Are you wealthier?   Right? Like, I get it. We're not superficial. You're not doing, like, money magic just like that on the spot, but we all need to get our fucking shit together, and that beats money in this world. So, you know, it's not about having money. It's about fucking having your shit together for the way you're gonna fucking,   you know, choose to live here on your fucking terms. Mhmm. Mhmm.  

Right? So that's that's that's where you start realizing   that,   you can just structure all your magic off of some very neutral basic prime principles, and then you don't have to take anybody else's little angel sigil and and and and use it at all. You're free   you're free from needing them because you're finally getting the point   of, you know, it's not that you're god, but that when you're in the center of the circle of the magician, you're god in that   in that circle. Mhmm.   Right? So there's no narcissism in that because the magic is fucking real.   Right. But your magic also has to correspond with the world outside of the circle   in some sort of symbiotic   way because the magic is real. Otherwise, it's going to backlash on you. And this is why you see a lot of these expert occultists   that don't look like they're in the best of health. They're in the they they they never seem very fucking happy.  

You know, they they're they're they're they seem to mostly be selling their brooding nature. Right? It's just like, look at me and my vampire esque aesthetic.   Look, I'm so magical.   That's that's kinda how it comes off to me. Right.  

[00:20:39] Unknown:

Right? So is it is it dangerous to do Oh, originally, I became a barbarian  

[00:20:43] Unknown:

to show off the other way of doing it. Okay.  

[00:20:48] Unknown:

So is is it kind of dangerous because what you said is, like,   you are   digging into something like the ether,   the the divine.   They talk to you like Odin, Freya,   Thor.   There are several   of these entities, let's say, that are,   throughout our strong   pronounced, right? So Tyr is,   is,   Tuesday.   That's the god of war   with   is on Mars, I think, is is related to. Then we got Wodan, which is Odin, of course, for Thursday, Friya, Friday.   So,   a lot of   old   let's call it for for the better for the for the sake of the better word, paganism,   is been called out in our,   normally day life. But is it   dangerous to just okay. I'm gonna purchase some ruins and I'm gonna   do whatever   I think that's good.  

Could I   yes. Well, just   tell me.   Well, well,   you know,  

[00:22:02] Unknown:

we   a wizard's first rule   is to know that people that aren't wizards   are,   you know, the most the most vulgarly blunt way to say it is that they're stupid. You know, the people are stupid. Right? Like, you're you know, like,   you have to know that you are crossing the threshold   when you're   picking up these implements   to play with them and to have the   opportunity to understand them. Right?   And,   if you   do not grow   from your initial relationship with these things by going into deeper personal relationship   and   making sure that you really   know thyself   in the process,   then, yeah, it could be very harmful. Right? To me, the runes   are,   divination   is   is the least   amazing thing of the amazing things that the runes are. Right? You know, the runes as as sigil craft goes.  



[00:23:08] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:23:09] Unknown:

See, that's that's a massive bind ruin. I created that my side in I didn't tattoo it in. I gave it to the tattoo artist to do an exact transcription. So Mhmm. It worked.   Right? Right. And so I I got that. That Rune means something to me and how I, take care of myself.   Right? And I was taking care of myself in ritual   for over a year.   Mhmm.   And em emb   embodying   already   what that   sigil,   represents   before   I decided to permanently   engrave it   onto,   this,   mortal coil.  

[00:23:51] Unknown:

Because that that's also that I   figured out that a lot of wounds were,   been made for for for not for a permanent time. Right? So to protect their house, it's for, like, a period of time. Or to when you when you went to war, you have some ruins on you to protect yourself or or to have some,   extra,   abilities.   But then afterwards,   you're gonna take it off, and you're gonna just live life. Right?  

[00:24:26] Unknown:

Well,   yes. But there's runes for just living life. I mean Okay. All   the all the runes, like, there's   great   extravagant levels of things that you could do with runes, and then there's very practical things. The Tiwaz rune is an arrow.   You use it every time you're driving   on lawful roads. Isn't that interesting?   Tear, arrow, arrows used in, traffic code   organized by government.   Right?   You're you're seeing the power of the room. You're seeing its relationship to to authority   in a certain step.   It is it is of the wisest order   to go in the direction   of   Tyr. Right? This is the idea. Yeah. That's yeah. Right? You know? So we're using these runes in all different manners.  

You know?   You you know, Yera.   You know, Yera is gears. It's the year. Yera is happening just because time has passed. Yeda is happening because you're figuring out how to put a how how to put a a machine together, and you don't know where the pieces fit. You're trying to figure out where the pieces fit. Right?   So, you know, you're you know, that that's a time just like, I don't know how to   fix this thing. Get Yara. Alright? Now just sit with it and meditate on Yara in front of the machine for a while. And, oh, wow. Now now I realize where the piece fits.   That's   that's more important than divination.  

That's every day that's every day the runes being a helping hand. Perhaps you're listening to your dwarves   teaching you how to   be more skilled by listening to these runes.   Right? Maybe that's the idea.  

[00:26:17] Unknown:

Wow.   Okay. So we're talking about runes. Could you draw some runes,   for me?   Like you did life yesterday with the other people?   Yeah. Sure. And let's see what's coming out.  

[00:26:30] Unknown:

Let's see what's coming out.   Hold your question in your mind. I I like to roll blind.   And, we'll do we'll do we'll do a raw rune reading. No. Nothing else.   We'll we'll keep this purely on on the runes unless I draw younger,   which you would have seen in a couple of the draws,   which is my personal,   it's a it's a personal symbol I put in with the runes.   Right. Alright.   So we are kicking off with   Ansuz.   Ansuz.   So Ansuz is a primordial   letter a, the ah sound.   And,   it it's,   deeply associated with,   words like,   and it's a it's the messenger rune. It's about   that it's about that divine thought that that that pops in just like when you're meditating on   and then eventually, oh, you figure out how that works. That's the Ansu's   manifesting. You might want to make a bind rune of and   Ansu's if you're just trying   to you you just don't know how to get the answer out of something. And you you just you need time   to get the answer on Susan Yetta. You put those together, and that's how you would make a bind room. Right? So,   that's Ansuz.  

Right? So Yeah. This is like saying, you know, you're getting that divine message from   those that are not lying to you.  

[00:27:58] Unknown:

That's a good one. Okay.   Is that   does it matter   when you take a run out of the out of the pouch,   how it's coming out?   Oh,  

[00:28:13] Unknown:

yes. Yes. It does. Yes. It does. You would have seen when I'm pulling it out,   sometimes   I say it's Merck's Dave because I pull it out in hand, and then I have to judge based on the angle that it's in my hand.   Is it more right side up or upside down   if it is a reversible room? Right? This one is reverse like, Issa is not reversible. Looks the same no matter which way you you face it. Right?   So this so if it had popped up like this, I would have talked about what it means to be deceived and lied to, to be confused.  

[00:28:50] Unknown:

Right? There's   always a duality, but in in the ruins.   So I think   the one with,  

[00:28:58] Unknown:

There's there's always a there's always a mirroring with the Right.   But not all of them have a reversal,   but they all have a mirror.   Right? You know, because, you know, like, you know, famous bands like Amon, Amarth,   take the Ahn Soo's and mirror it, and that's their band logo.  

[00:29:19] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:29:20] Unknown:

Right. Fear Factory.   I've seen Fear Factory do the same thing, Fehu.   F f. And so you got a monomarth with the 2 slash downs,   and that's their logo. Fear Factory with the 2 slashes up. Right? They're they're doing the same they're doing the same kind of thing.  

[00:29:37] Unknown:

Right.   Right.   So Ansuz, the first one, the a,   when you do   runes,   are there some things that you have to be aware of? Like, okay, you,   when you go deeper into it, when you're asking, let's say, divine for some answers or stuff like that on a daily basis,   or maybe on a strongly basis,   do you have to make an altar also for the gods that provide you the answers?  

[00:30:19] Unknown:

Having a focal point like an altar is   is   it's always advisable. Right?   I don't you know, you you it's,   because I'm always on the go.   Like, the thing is is that, like,   you know, I don't just have, like, an altar to carry around   if I'm not home. Right? And, you know, so I might have a few metaphysical implements that I can place somewhere   to have a magical   setup on some plane in which I can throw   my, my will, my magical intention.   But, you know, but by and large,   me me for me personally, at least, right,   you know,   highly active nervous system,   very intuitive,   and worked very hard to keep the relationship   between what the lower mind and the higher mind's   attenuations   are. And so I'll be out there wherever I'm at and,   you know, by guidance, it'll be like, why is the energy weird in this corner over here?  

And I'll go and I'll freaking   I'll I'll go and I'll freaking try and sense it out. Right?   This is aspects   of of empathic or whatever and and see if I get   something out of it. Like, why that feels that way?   Why was there a pressure variation change right now? And my ear ear my ears are ringing.   You know? What what what is happening now? What is synchronizing,   to this time to be taken note of? Why did I just experience deja vu? I'll make a I'll make a note of this time because it's impossible that I've been here before, yet I feel like I've remembered doing this exact very gesture   Mhmm. In this exact very place and context and time of day and weather and temperature and sitting where I'm sitting and dressed where I'm dressed. But this is the first day it's ever been like this. Deja vu is like that. That's the deja vu experience. Right? There's all sorts of interesting happen. Right? When you're working with the runes, in particular, you are,   you are,   working access points of the The   is,   the woven web of the Norns, our goddesses of fate.  

Right?   To work   with   whoever your archetypal   ladies of fate are in your mythos,   it would be wise to have good relationship with spiders because   I see them as spider queen.   Mhmm. And   that's what they're seeing. The loom   the loom is an allegory   for the for the for the web weaver   doing their thing. Right? And this makes sense,   you know, as,   like, women,   goddesses   are about   the environment around them.   Right? And the that's the context by understanding their story because, you know, the goddess needs a place to be in her state of being. Right? It's much more important to her. This is why there's the meme out there about guys will just start over like this and be happy. Right? It's just an empty room with, like, a TV, a Game Boy,   and a bed cot, and, like, not like, nothing. Nothing. Bare bones, and you can get to work each day. Right? Yeah. Yep. That that's because men were outward. We're directing. We're we're we're we're getting it done. And by and large, we probably made a fucking sacrifice because, you know, that's just what a man of honor does even if the bitch was a piece of shit. Right? That's just the way it goes. Right? There's a certain certain gender code that you just   deal with,   on a on a certain irritating level that every good man has to do. And that stats   fucking end up like that at that age.  

Anyway   I know it is.   The point is is that,   you know, the the web is like the casting of Maya's dream.   Right? And so you can navigate that web   in a certain way, and you have to not get yourself   stuck in it. Right? It's,   and at the same time,   you don't want to leave yourself open as   food   for a horrible fate   because the Norns are still   a very, very, very neutral force in the universe.   Mhmm. Very neutral force. They would rather see things happen in the natural order of things, but it is up to us to fix that because there is dark sorcery. There is stuff   that doesn't and shouldn't   work with the runes. You know, you do not see runes getting incorporated   into Kabbalah very much outside of,   Wiccans that are trying to build   a certain   aesthetic out of it. Right? There's different there's different numerologies.  

There's a different manner in which the realms are related to each other.   You know, like, my system   is not pretending   that it has a relationship   to certain systems that have nothing to do   with ancestral   paganism.   Right? It's not a like, one of my big things I've talked about, which is important to understanding   what sets apart what I do as a system versus,   you know, people that are working in the familiar,   which doesn't give you such unique results that would get your attention. Right? There's not a lot of people that get the attention with what I do because   they are they're looking for the answer   under an assumption,   that all systems   of us, that were   part of that archaic time were   gonna be a whole cohesive thing   when it's not. That just like there are things that are meant to disorder   the world and should not be now,   just because the thing should not be has survived for millennia,   does not mean it it it it it gets grandfathered   in.  

Right. It does not mean oh, because   it's lied to you. And once you have informed consent, you can now change the rules   because   once you realize   that shit was happening to you that you did not wittingly agree to, you don't have to have it anymore.   Right? And it ain't got nothing to do with alienating,   the people that may think   that they are related   to that magical system because that magical system is it's a magical system. It's not it's not pagan. Right? Mhmm. It's not pagan.   Other gods.   But paganism   is straight up about the people that are working with nature.  

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Right.  

[00:37:18] Unknown:

Right. Right. That's that's that's a big that's a big thing. It's often using context to how northern peoples, arctic peoples,   as we, as as we are in, you know,   one of the more proper terms for   our kind, from the north Right. People as they as they like to say it. Right?   It it's,   where was I going with that? Where was I going with  

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with with the with the,   yeah. That's a good one.  

[00:37:52] Unknown:

You lost me also a little bit. It's like I I I opened up 70 cans of of controversial   whoop ass, and I and I now I'm trying to wrangle my thoughts back to the the clue   or or I go completely astray here on on trying to, talk about the runes because I'm I did get into a little bit of,   commentary just just because I I want people to,   you know, to understand that I I I that I do not endorse   that kind of stuff. So just Like the wicked stuff and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so when you're when you're when you're talking to me about about all these magics, I I don't have. Like, it it seems a little, like, odd that I'm saying that because you probably noticed,   my my tattoos here. Mhmm.  

And there's a,   there there's a whole story going on with with all of that and, and and the   and the the intersectioning,   pyramids   as such is is the much older,   symbol seen everywhere,   that has its alchemical meaning. Right?   And part of the reason I have that,   bound to me,   also. Right?   And none of it is tapping into   into Kabbalah. If if anything   if if anything this one is, and it's doing it in a way,   as a warning because it's got a kind of humanist   ugliness   to it. It's kinda more cyber horror,   the way this is, designed where that's that's that's the stuff off   being, like, forced   forced in an ugly manner into the flesh.  

Right.  

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Right. Yeah. So so how long If you would   Zebulayath, how long have you been working for the ruins now? And what what,   grabbed your attention   getting into the subject?  

[00:39:46] Unknown:

That was about 6 years ago. About about 2018.   I was, I've been doing deep,   hardcore,   occult, and conspiracy   research,   since   2012   in the public eye   when I finally decided to start wanting to   talk about it out there. Mhmm. And and I started putting things up on YouTube. I got,   I I started calling into Revolution Radio, and then Revolution Radio put me on board and all that stuff. And then over my years at Revolution Radio,   I got really big into a lot of aspects of of of history   and trying to de occult history.   And so,   eventually, I got much, much more interested   in,   in personal ancestry   as I was thinking about how I felt   about   how   there's a historical cutoff   that,   binds me to a story that I can't confirm is true.  

You know? I   how things will will skewer on the esoteric side of history right into the book of Genesis.   Right? Because everybody's gotta be a fucking descendant of Noah.   Right? And, you know, and and, it takes a long time to deal with that because you have to understand that, you know, if you go with the younger,   not the if you go with the pros Edda for Norse Mythos,   you're dealing with the Christian lens of Snorri Sturluson,   who was,   toodling,   a,   tutoring. Excuse me. He might have been tutoring him, but, I I can't make that judgment.   Tutoring,   like, the fucking   prince of Iceland or whatever. Right? He was a Christian.  

You know? And but, of course, these were these were Christians   that   never took a hostile disposition   to their ancestors'   beliefs. Right? So that was a saving race   despite everything we didn't understand.   We at least kind of   downgraded them to the honorable level of of of superheroes   with Snorri Sturluson's interpretation   of things,   because you get more of that   personification,   because the prose eta   has the poetry   mixed in,   including elder Futhark poetry. But then he's also he is also just kinda, like, telling you a story straight   at the same time.  



[00:42:19] Unknown:

Right.   So interesting.   You also talked about, just before we hopped on the show   that you're playing in bands.  

[00:42:33] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I What kind of music did you play?   Extreme metal.   Extreme metal. Oh, I like that. Yeah. I was I was part of the basically, the death metal scene in the Bronx,   for forever.   Primarily, I was a bassist for a band called Brain Dead.  

[00:42:51] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:42:52] Unknown:

I'm still friends with that band.   Shout out to Edcorpce.   And,   so, yeah, I I spent a lot of time doing that,   and I   I had a lot of fun.   And, but I wasn't happy because I my original plan was to play guitar. But,   I had a lot of setbacks   in,   yet I was very, I had a lot of problems.   There was a reason why I was looking for magic, why I was looking for shamanism, why I was looking for,   for enlightenment.   Right? Right. And I knew   I knew that I was   not   achieving things on the back end, you know, that were acceptable. It was great to be like, oh, here. Here's a decent show I played. Oh, here. Here's a decent   song that we cut. But   there were many things that were missing   from myself   and   my cohesion with the with the band.  

It's a whole bet   between me and also the band. Things were too slow,   sometimes   not done in a way I thought was   conducive. And so,   it it was part of you know? So I I went through a whole lot of of effing struggles to be   successful.   And Mhmm.   You know? So   I try to keep that up. I'm   44 years old,   and,   I don't care about the age. I just wanna do the music   thing fucking properly before I'm too old to do helicopter twirls.  

[00:44:29] Unknown:

Right.   Because I need to be able to do this with my fucking head. Oh, with your head. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh, I was thinking about the other helicopter squirrels, but that's, it's more our own feet.  

[00:44:41] Unknown:

This is why I do yoga. So I can be 90 years old on stage doing fucking helicopters, and I look like I'm so shit. Oh, funny. Like that. Like, I wanna be that guy that you can't believe he's that fucking old.  

[00:44:52] Unknown:

Right. But that that's one of the things I miss be because I had long hair and I listened to metal,   punk, all that stuff.   Well, maiden and stuff like that was was   my bands,   Iron   Maiden,   Slayer,   Guns N Roses, Metallica, you name it. And then of course,   death metal came up with the with the with the harder stuff.   And when I play guitar right now, I I really miss   the long hair because,   you know, when you're into the vibe, like helicoptering, as you mentioned it, it gives you this,   trans kind of thing. Yes. So I purchased a wig   on Timu,   which is like Alibaba,   but it's so badass.  

You know, it's it's with the curly hair, black,   and it really looks funny.   But it's only for,   this is not for live performances at all. It's just for me. You know? I'm not putting on my my high heels and stuff like that, but just a wig to make it feel like, oh, I'm playing guitar in in the way it should be. Right?  

[00:46:02] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Okay. I always used to I always used to laugh watching, like, Slayer after Kerry King shaved his head. I was just like, fall about to fall.  

[00:46:13] Unknown:

Yes. And I can tell you. I'm,   I I cut my hair, so so I'm I'm bold. Right? But if I have bang, there's one little,   piece of skin that's still moving a little bit.   I don't know if it's because my my age, but,   it feels like it does it wants to wobble.  

[00:46:33] Unknown:

Feels like it wants to wobble.  

[00:46:35] Unknown:

Feels like it wants to Yeah.   Yeah.   Have you been toured with, Brent?   Like, across America?  

[00:46:43] Unknown:

No. No. Never. I was mostly it was mostly   like, that's the thing. Right? And   I,   I really had to work on a lot of things with myself. Mhmm. You know? Making you know, like, being able to make money on the back end and   and while keeping the time up and the schedule for it. And   Right. No. It's just like it was like a once a month   going to, like, some bar in 1 of the 5 boroughs. You know? That that was that was the like, that's where where we were at.   Right? It's all that inter New York   play where you see, like,   the same freaking shuffle of, like, 20 different fucking faces half the time.  

Yeah. You know? It was that. It was that was the life. Right. That was the life, and, you know, you you, you knew you had to build   to further. Right? You know, some guys, they   build into regional,   which is great. You know, now they're now they're playing the tristate area instead of just the boroughs.   Right? Mhmm.   And, you know, that's really what you need. You you have to have a regional success to really get, like,  

[00:47:54] Unknown:

a strong crossover. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's hard. I mean, if you if you if you're not going to   bend down and suck some, old man's cock, it's very hard in the music industry to make some really decent money.  

[00:48:10] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I think   what I what I do know is is that probably   it you know, like, I think it probably would have been easier to make this money if   the world at that time   had   clearer,   that made more sense   for, like   like, just a young guy who just wants to, like, get on with, like, making the music and whatever, where there was just a little bit more   out there that was supportive   of, like,   okay.   Here's how you set this up on your own and this up on because, like, we had to, like, figure out how do we We're seeing here. How do we record,   yeah, how do we make a recording studio in our apartment. Right? You know? Right. Right. That. To save fucking money.  

Right? How do we, how do we, you know, soundproof   a bedroom for practice time and also for recording the drums? Right? Right.   It was it was things like that for when   you could try and squeeze in time that you didn't have to go   across town to the studio to pay a fortune for the privilege of an hour of just really just needing the goddamn fucking,   space.   Right. And the only reason you even need equipment over the over there is because you had to take the train to get there.  

[00:49:32] Unknown:

Oh, shit.   I think I think   France is one of the I I don't like the French and stuff like that, but I think they subsidized   art. So if you wanna make an album   order of that, sir. Right? I don't care. I got a t shirt in my shop. If you're offended,  

[00:49:51] Unknown:

good. What be your trauma? My my my my my my grandmother's ghost is gonna beat you with the newspaper. I  

[00:49:59] Unknown:

swear. Well, I'm gonna wait for that. But, yeah. For for the ones that, are offended, I got a beautiful T shirt in my web shop,   TeePublic at disorganized,   shop. I think it is going to put the show,   put the link in the show description.   It says, if you're offended,   good.   We're causing a trauma.   So that's it. That was a little disclaimer about my own advertising.   But in in France, they they,   subsidize   art. So I think you're gonna get some money and some time off if you want to make an album, and they're gonna help you out.   Eventually, if you're gonna be subsidized, if you're gonna make some art, that that's that's one of the big steps you need to do. Right? Because it's it's all money involving machine.  

Especially as a young artist, doesn't matter if you're on on stage performing, like dancing or   playing guitar,   being in the band, whatever.   I think that's a that's a good thing. But, yeah,   once you are with a few guys together, you have to figure stuff out, especially   when it comes to the setup.   You know, what kind of   amplifier do you have? What kind of guitar? I got some beautiful guitars here, but for live performance,   maybe you need some other gear, you know, and and maybe that amplifier isn't that good in that situation or in that venue.  

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Yeah. So Yeah.  

[00:51:27] Unknown:

And that but   do do you still play bass sometimes?  

[00:51:32] Unknown:

I got my bass, and   I keep it around in case I actually feel like fleshing out more than just a guitar and a programmed drum   because it's enough of a pain in the ass for me to, like, figure out how I'm gonna put drums on something.   And I don't wanna put bass on something and,   before I put drums on it. Right? You know? So you make some music?   Yeah. Yeah. I do. I have a channel called Xeralath Shreds,   and once in a while, I throw a scratch track up.   I spend   many of my nights. I find 15 minutes at least to,   pick up the guitar   and, at least run some scales, if not,   give myself a jam out.  

Keep myself timed up on a metronome,   so on and so forth, and try to get myself back up to par.   Like,   you know, I,   you know, if I'm putting out my musical resume, it's just, like, fucking, like, check out that channel, and, you know, if you're looking for a guitarist,   let's have a conversation.  

[00:52:39] Unknown:

Right. And it's still death, death metal, so fast picking and shredding?  

[00:52:45] Unknown:

That yeah. Well, you know, I'll put it to you this way.   I   don't want to be in a band that is not doing that,   somewhere on every album that isn't designed as a conceptually   soft album. I'm a big Opeth fan.   I am good I am good with the idea that we're gonna have   projects that sound not heavy.  

[00:53:09] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:53:10] Unknown:

Well, what's your favorite band? Not all the time. It'll probably drive me mad because I need to go werewolf.  

[00:53:17] Unknown:

What's your favorite band when it comes to death metal?  

[00:53:21] Unknown:

The the extreme metal bands,   that are my favorite,   because I, like I mean, I was in the death metals death metal scene because I wanted to be amongst all the stream guys and and and pan out Wow.   From there as well as just, you know, who's awesome people, who's good peoples. Right?   But   in in the extreme,   in the extreme scene,   you know, like, the, the bigger bands   that I listen to that are some of my biggest,   inspirations   were,   Yari Mempa   from Finland's,   winter sun, formerly events of Ferrum.   I mentioned OPETH.   OPETH,   massive inspiration.  

I I was a huge fan of, ScarSymmetry   for a long time, and I,   I was once   in good correspondence   with,   the former drummer of the band, Henrik,   who I interviewed back   in 2014 when I was with Revolution Radio. That was that was a that was a great interview. We talked about the, the Neo humanity phase 1 album when it came out. Uh-huh.   The   esoteric conspiracy material, Scar Symmetry,   was always right up my alley, and I still like using their music,   from time to time,   on my channel to this day.   Yeah. I mean, gosh. There's just,   It's it's too much. Why? I listen I listen to I listen to such a plethora,   such a diverse   array of of bands. You know? There's legends like Emperor   in in the black metal scene.  

Is amazing for, at that time, doing the level of occultism that they were doing,   compared to other,   bands in the genre.   Right? Right. And that that's what I think is one of the most powerful thematic things about,   Emperor is that it wasn't   that wasn't, like, you know,   just upside down crosses   hailing Satan while drinking blood.   You know,   you know, shock value   stuff. Fun fun stuff. You know? It's you know? But it's fun.   I don't know. It's fun in the same way that   Christianity   is not fun. Right?   Right. The only way I can really explain it, just because I see so many people falling into certain traps.   Be gay. Like, it's just like it's just like   it is awesome to be a satanist   because   you just gotta love hating Christianity.  

Right? And so it's a no reason to be a satanist is to spend all your time hating Christianity   because that's what you have to aesthetically live with. And Well Like This is That's a waste of time. This is this is this is cool once once in a while, this level of say like, I love how angry it is. I love how I even love how ugly it is. I love how extreme it is. I love all the things that the Christians hate about it. Uh-huh. I'm just nauseated   with your Satan.   You're just it says it's just it's the reverse level of the nauseation.  

[00:56:42] Unknown:

Right.   So have you have you heard of the,   the,   Czechian Festival,   Bizarre Extreme, I think it's called?   Extreme bizarre?   It's only death metal and and and all that stuff. A friend of mine plays or played in a band as a singer   in In Hume. Maybe you know the band.   In   Hume.   In   Hume.   Are you gonna like that?   I'm not sure. Let me see if I can put it up. Alright.   This this   is   like, let me see if I can put it up. I don't I don't know if you're gonna listen to,   if you can hear it,   also the the the the listeners at home.   But this is like a   I love my friend, but this is not my kind of   thing.  



[00:57:39] Unknown:

Not your kind of thing. Okay.  

[00:57:41] Unknown:

Alright. It's all obscene extreme.   You wait. You hear this? No. I don't think so. You have to I think you have to share. Yeah. Share. Right?  

[00:57:51] Unknown:

I think you I think you share screen   and audio,   and then just click on the thing that's gonna play the Oh, yeah. Audio too. That's a good one.  

[00:58:00] Unknown:

Thanks. Yes. So here here it is.   In   obscene extreme. Now you see it. Right?  

[00:58:09] Unknown:

Even maybe.   Hold on a second.   I hear it. I don't see it, but I don't need to see it. I can The first one from the last over.  

[00:58:22] Unknown:

It's gone.   Pandemic.   I see a Nick.   They're completely normal guys. Alright.   Okay. Before everyone   crazy.   Oh, wait. It's still playing? Oh, shit. I don't hear it. It's, it may still be playing, but it's not on the on the phone. Oh, I have to figure it out if that works with, with Zoom. But, yeah, the the if you see it, obscene extreme,   it's like,   and if you if you look it up at YouTube and,   you see   from naked people in until,   people that are completely dressed up as a as   a whatever the fuck, you know, as a spongebob or whatever, and they're gonna have a great time.   And,   it's like 24 hours only, like, these kinds of music.  

Like, holy shit.   If you ain't awake,   you're not gonna sleep.  

[01:00:12] Unknown:

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. That's,   no. No. That sounded good. Now the yeah. That's the death metal, you know, very, very cannibal corpse y and,  

[01:00:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah.   Shout out to Thomas   at In Hume.   So so occult research, you mentioned that a few minutes before.   You know Nathaniel   Gilles?   Nathaniel Gilles?   No. I don't. He's he's one of the most famous,   demonologist   there are. And he looks into the,   occult, of course, also. Because, you know, the the one says it's a demon, the other says it's a ghost.   What brought you that kind of,   research?  

[01:01:01] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. Well, you know,   the the, you know, the the it's an interesting, you know, it's an interesting question. There's a handful of handful of it. Like, for me, there's always a handful of things that brought it together. Right? It's always a it's   always a little bit it's it's like 2 it's like trying to converge 2 or 3 stories, with a question like that. Right? So there was a handful of, you know, personal,   like, woo woo experiences   that I wanted to know better.   There was   the   the idea that   effectively something like necromancy   talking to the dead   Mhmm.  

May in fact be,   a handy tool   to have,   maybe if of interest   that you need to   go to the grave and, like,   get a handle on things. Right? And,   granted, I don't really do much of that. You know? I don't really do anything.   I don't have much of I don't really,   I I I don't have that gift so much, but I do know,   but I am   open   to   when   I'm gonna have, like, the invitation of these kinds of things happening.   I mean, like   because for the most part, I'm not interested,   in it. It's it's more like something that I could jump into,   open up a couple of quick reference books real quick to refresh my memory of just some   key principles   in in ritual to do it.  

Right? You know? But, like because the occult is way more than just a contact of the dead,   and you you know?   But that's just, just a handful of things in the mix, and, I I think what you asked kind of was asking a little bit of that, and I had a little bit of an answer. Right? Yeah. Yes. For the most part, my work in magic is all within the self.   Right? Because within within myself,   I have free and all range.   Mhmm. And then from there,   I get a wider expanse of my boundaries in the real world as I further my inner world.   So all of this magic is being really used on myself.  

Right? Which is why I don't operate   with spirit conjuring   magics, such as kabbalah that I   made the disclaimer about   earlier   at the towards the beginning of the show. Mhmm. Right?   Because,   it's just it's just me. It's just me and the higher force   operating in here. Right? And we're all a tripartite   soul. So 3 is   me is a 3. We are 3. Each one of us is a 3.   The heart center,   the higher mind,   and the the instincts. Right? You you you listen to your gut intelligence   because that's paying attention   to what's happening in the physical realm that matters.  

[01:04:12] Unknown:

Right? Right.  

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And but it also   can be a little bit irrational   and needs to be grounded   by what the higher mind knows.   Right? So a lot of the magic is   is,   working the energies around the relationships of what the higher mind, the heart, and the gut are all saying to each other. What's the pecking order of operations?   Who's in charge? Who's taking point in in in circumstances? Right? Like, right here, this is all very psychic. Right? So my heart says that the head is in charge.   The gut can just chill. Right? If I'm out, like,   on a construction site, I gotta worry about everything around me and what's dangerous and whatnot. Mhmm. So it's it's just like   until I'm   in the middle of the present task at hand with mental focus,   I have to have this huge expanded awareness and be on my be on my toes,   and and ready to either   get out of the way or   to, like, jump in the way because somebody's about to get hit by something and you wanna, you know, be like, woah. Watch it. Careful. And then the thing falls and nobody gets hurt. Right? You know?  

That's that's that's my that's letting   my lower self take charge. And doing the a lot of the magic that I do, working the 3   which that,   regulates the energy of my ka,   this is what   produces,   the magical   ability   within   as you continue to   empower and organize those things, amongst the things that you can do,   in your magical practice. That's just an example that comes from one of my most basic things I do,   which is Qigong energy work on my 3 energy course.  

[01:06:06] Unknown:

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's all energy. Right? And there's also with the runes, if you're gonna take the runes.   It's about the intention. It's about the energy you're gonna,   have by yourself.   And of course, when you do the readings,   it it it is this something that is just, when you pick a a runestone, is that,   so okay. No. Let let me let me rephrase,   the question or a better question. I have a better question. There are several   ways to lay the runes. So you can shake a, a pouch,   take one out and read them,   or you can throw them on on, like, I don't know what it's called, like a cloth with the,   with the symbol on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

Okay. What what's the big difference between them?  

[01:07:00] Unknown:

Well, okay. So throwing them is called a wild cast.   Okay. Now wild cast   is,   this is,   that's a very,   that is a, that's what that that is,   whether it's best or not, like, everybody's different. Right? Like, for me, I think wild casts   are   important because   it helps you be better dealing with randomocity.   Right? Because,   you know,   you get better at finding the patterns in   the, the the vague, the mundane, the, you know, the the or the chaotic or whatnot, where things are scattered about, and then,   you you get to pick up the significance. Because when you're throwing those runes, there's gonna be a meaning to,   okay, the runes   that are right side up and upside down in the northeast means one particular thing. The ones that are sideways over here mean another thing. So on.  

Right? And   and so that's that's that's the wild cast. And it's basically   utilizing all the runes, and you know which runes you're not gonna bother with because they're the ones that come up upside down. However, your intuition may tell you that there's a different significance to the upside down runes, because some people will   read that to the t as meaning that that rune is hidden.   That which, you know, typically   yeah. You're gonna kinda make that assertion,   interpretively   that it means it's a hidden rune. Right? There's reversed energy runes, and then if it's coming up upside down where it's not seen, it is hidden energy. And so it's telling you that, oh, the hidden energies of Ansuz, Burakan,   Ingvaz, and Thorisaj   are all hanging out around this Manas' room. Right? And then you're you're you're picking up context   from this random assorted scattering.  

Right?   But   there are tremendous amount of ways that you can,   lay out your runes in form and function that's perfectly fine,   doing them in a spread.   It's up to you and how,   what naturally comes to you in mental organization   processes.   And I   probably do less wild casting only because   I've been a wild spirit,   and,   I I need   to work with some stuff that's a little less wild,   to balance things out. Right? Right.   But like I said, it's also the merit of its usefulness   of picking up things,   you know, when you're out there in the world. Right? You know? Because, I mean, like, it's one thing that, okay, you get on the road, you're gonna see.   We talked about this. Right?  

But it's another thing when,   you're in   any kind of random place, and now you're picking up the context of, you know, why does this pattern on, on the wall have the, the drawing,   look of of?   Why does it have that   that crisscrossing,   effect? That's right. You know? Like like, why why is that popping up out here? What's that what's that telling me, or whatnot? Or it might be that,   you know, granted if it if that's art because it's painted on the wall, that's what's significant? There's an aesthetic choice, and   that might just be just for the vibes. Right? You know, it may not necessarily be anything more than when you're staring at Paisley.  

You know? It's not Right.   But, but,   if you see,   if you're taking a walk in the woods and and and it looks like the sticks fell in almost a random way that kinda looks like Inglaz didn't pattern the way the sticks fell.   It's too much   that's too much of,   like, only   you right there and now would ever see that. And by tomorrow, it'll be gone because those are twigs that are gonna get blown in the wind, and it just happens   that they fell in the assorted pattern of.   Mhmm. So now you're now you're getting this kind of a sign,   because you're picking it up in the subtlety.  

Right? Because you're more   sensitive,   and that's also   allowing   the filter   of your perception of reality   to open up more to,   those   that want your attention   on the upside.   And you have to have control of that aperture because   probably the most powerful   portal   in this universe   is the pupil of the eye.  

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Right.   Which is the universe itself.   Correct.   So   you also do tarot cards? And and and, I think,   you have several decks?  

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Yes. Yes.  

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How powerful is,   is is the the the magic that you do with the runes, with the tarots?   Is it something that you also have to protect yourself when you go into   a a reading?  

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When I go into a reading,   there's,   you know, there's just a little bit of, like, you know, you wanna go in personally,   like, energetically clean,   you know, and and that your your your psychic implements   are clean.   And then as long as everything is is ultimately agreeable between you and the client and you're working with   your decks that you have mastered,   or are the decks that are your most mastered   thus far,   where you can extract the right answers for them,   then   there's not too much you really have to worry about. Right?   If you   are going to if you're in a line of work where maybe you're giving readings,   to   perhaps scrupulous characters, if   if, you know, for whatever reason, maybe   you start giving readings to the mob. I don't know. Right?  

You know, then, yeah, maybe you wanna fucking protect yourself. Right.  

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With a with a with a driveway car and and a and a shotgun on the back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,  

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you know what? Like,   tarot cards can be used to open portals. And so,   you have to actually use them in that context   to open a portal, which can can be done   in that context   in a reading possibly.   Right?   But I don't spend my time doing that.   Like I said, like, I   I'm I'm evoking.   Right? Mhmm. I'm an evoker. I don't invoke. I don't bring power   into me.   I have the power within me, and I bring it out.  

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Right.  

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Right. Right? So, therefore, there is no reason for me to invoke the devil when the devil pops up in the devil card. There's no reason For me No. Right. Yeah. You know, I don't have to I don't have to invoke the temperance card either.  

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Right?   Is there a big difference between tarot and runes? Or is it a little bit the same, but one is in picture and one is in stone?  

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No. They're no. They're they're they're they're completely different. They're the same that they both   have a correlation   to human development.   The tarot,   the runes have   a different   kind of   version of a Joseph Campbell,   hero's journey. Mhmm. And the tarot   follows in the most traditional   sense,   Joseph Campbell's,   hero's journey. Right?   You've got the 72,   or so cards,   of the tarot.   And   and, the elder Futhark is only 24,   and there isn't   a runic alphabet I know that is more than 24   outside   outside   of the root language of the box saga coming out of Finland.   That's the only language I know of that is,   got more than 24 letters in it. Right? So there's a complete difference in the numerology,   in that respect.  



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Mhmm.  

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And,   as well as the fact that, you know, the runes have,   is is kind of like   only a major arcana   kind of thing, because there's 24 of them versus the 21 major arcana   of the, tarot.   Right.   Where tarot then also has the 4 minor arcana,   which,   express   different ideas along the path.   Mhmm.   Right?   Now there is   correlating relationships that occur. One of the things I love about the wild wood deck that I was using is that runes will pop up in significant ways. I I mentioned it,   the other night on that podcast, like, how Nalthis   is kind of what's happening between this bow and this arrow.  

Hold on a sec. How do I   get that? I'm sorry. It's Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's of tune. I'm try I'm trying to I'm trying to get it at the right I gotta go I can futz with my my my settings because of the background blur, but,   anyway, that's the there's there's ones that do it better.  

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Would you would you like to to to do a reading on, with Tariff on me? Yeah. Sure. Is it possible?  

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Yeah. Sure. I was going to, because I was gonna pull another rune for you,   anyway,   if you weren't interested in Arrow,   today at all, because we just pulled the one, and then we just kept going and talking. And, you didn't ask any further, and I said, oh, maybe he doesn't wanna  

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ask and I should offer. Right? No. No. It no. Absolutely. Because,   I always say in my podcast, like, skipping brands like squirrel, that's a little bit my mind. So when we're getting into a conversation,   all of a sudden, things popping up, But all other things are been been,   putting away somehow.   But the thing is, it's really funny that you mentioned the one, the, Asus,   Ansuz,   because I did a show with Greg. He was a numerologist.   And,   when it comes to my name, like Rob and my birth, my birthday   in numerology,   I'm also number 1.  

So Okay. Okay. That's that's a nice significant significant   thing that pops up. Yeah. Well,  

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well, Ansuz is the 4th letter in the   futhark   alphabet, not   the first.  

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So we're Yeah. But but it was called the one. Right?   What's called the one? The the the a that that you said, what what would you  

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No. The one the one is Zeddi from Etruscan   from Etruscan. I was talking about my name.  

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Okay.   Okay. Okay.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then but, you know, on on Sue's   on Sue's, I was talking about,   messages, getting the divine message. Right. Messages and and the a of answers, which is for us the first letter. That was the word. Yes. Exactly. Oh, okay. I see. For no. That was a significance. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yep. Yep. That's interesting. That's interesting. You know, I'm a life path 1, my myself. So, you know Look. How are you doing, fellow human?   Hey.   Alright. Alright. So   now have you ever gotten tarot readings before or seen all the tarot cards before or anything like? Okay. Alright. Alright. So I I will give you,   the   the,   the uninitiated   explanation of things as we go. Okay. So,   you're we're gonna do just like I did for, for the show with Stein, and and we're just gonna do,   4 and 4. Mhmm. But I'm I'm not gonna do the animal and stuff like that.  



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That's too bad.  

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It's been I've been, I've been I've been hit with so much. I've been hit with so much lately.   And I'm just trying to keep it focused and shoot tight.   The so we got the poll star.   We have the poll star here,   which is, which that is like for anybody listening. It's number 17. It's the star card   for those who know other tarot decks that will be listening.   So,   this is about,   this is the clarity card. Right? When the star card comes up,   to me, it it it it it's all about a clear night sky,   and you've got the luminaries   reflecting back at you. So that way, you know, you can pull in   gnosis   from the universe.  

That is,   that is the, that that that's kind of the embodiment   of that card. Right? So this is about,   having the clarity   of   a vision   of, of what's really going going on, what's really going on. Right?   And, you've got   here looks kinda like, like a z. Mhmm.   This,   this is about,   the end and beginning of cycles,   the oo wash. Right? Death is associated with it because it's associated with the yew tree.   Right? So,   this revelation is coming after,   a   a a a a a significant   way of the world   came to an end and thus also creating the revelation of these stars.   Mhmm. It's end of the world that came from an origin point.  

Is one of these 3 norms in which I get the   the channeled divinated   interpretation of the cards.   And her   in divination,   her name means origins. And so in our origins, we have   king of arrows,   which is represented by a kingfisher.  

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Mhmm.  

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This is   this is about your mind. This is about your thoughts, your words.   And so,   you came in charge of your own mind over something,   recently,   which   which, is what created this clarity.  

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Mhmm.   Fascinating.  

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Okay. We got Ewas.   Ewas.   Mhmm.   This,   this charge that you took,   it   it's in relationship to something. There there there's something or someone that you deeply care about   that you've   taken this charge,   like, almost like   like they're counting on you. And you care about them, and you can't let them down. Right? And so that's like this empathic connection between who between   you and what you've taken charge of in your mind.   In Verdandi,   her name   means   what it's worth.  

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Mhmm.  

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We have the ace of stones.   Right?   So this brings in,   the material matters. Right? There's something there's a new   there's a new resource,   a new thing of, a new thing of value that's pumped, popped in,   as a result   of this charge that you took. Right? And so that's what you're seeing clearly is that you're seeing this new,   you know, this new resource   to cultivate at your disposal.   We have with it   okay. This is 30 saz   30 saz, and it's reversed.   It's reversed.   So when you have facage   reversed,   it means that you don't have this thing well protected.   Whatever this is, you need to protect it.  



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That's a good one. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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If you protect it,   it will be, you know, it'll be a gift.   It'll be a gift to you, if you can protect it.   You have to use your gifts   to protect whatever your ability to protect it is.   And then   in our   position called Skuld,   her name means should.   Her name means   decisions   effectively.   Celebration   funny enough   becomes this answer.   You,   you you you actually need to celebrate   this this thing that has been Right.   Alright.   Let's see.   And,   and Fehu and Fehu. Mhmm.  

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So I love that one. So  

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don't be afraid to invest in the celebration.   You know? Don't just, like, buy a bottle of beer and say huzzah. Like, make a thing out of it with people. Right. With other Right.   Right?   You know what? I you know what? Whatever. Fuck it. I should I should really give you the full the full Monty anyway. So we're doing it backwards, and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm just gonna pull the rest of the the rest of the stuff that I do now, because that's not that's just not fair. Alright. Thank you. Alright.   3,   sprouting. So this is the I Ching.   The I Ching is the 64 hexagrams   of of the book of changes from from the Far East,   China. It's primarily, what we're dealing with here.  

And   and, basically,   these 64   expressions of change make up all of the possible   kinds of changes that there can be in reality.   Right? So you kinda get a sense of how they've   defined these changes energetically   by how these cards kinda describe them. Mhmm. So for sprouting, which is hexagram 3, thus associated with numerology   3.   From the source   creating success,   constancy bears fruit.   Don't use this   to have a direction   to go.   Fruitful to establish   feudal lords.   Like a plant   putting out roots in all directions,   the inner life reaches out into the world, experiencing   resistance for the first time.  

The creative drive of heaven and earth   joins together and grows,   bursting with life and desire to fulfill.   It's too early to limit possibilities.   So strengthen your resolve and gather support,   human or otherwise,   to help expand your awareness   and influence.   What is beginning?   Where is the growing   center,   and where   can you find help   for it? Right? So, obviously, that's got deep correspondence   to the ace of stones here because you're talking about that growing place. Mhmm. You know,   of life. We're talking about seeds, seeds sprouting. It's it's all very,   thematic and makes, and and makes good sense.  

And let's see. You're guiding animal elemental   is   okay. We got a wood elemental. This is, associated with the 5th. The wood element is also the 5th element, the ethers, if you will. And it's the tree frog.   We got the tree frog.  

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Oh, what the fuck?   What the fuck?  

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Tree frogs mean something to you? Oh, dude, I just had,  

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since August this year,   several cambo   sessions,   which is with the tree frog with poison.  

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Oh,   wow.  

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And yes. He's guiding me. You can see it in my eyes a little bit. I'm still looking a little bit froggy.   But   so you got some I I don't know if you can see it. I got some dots right here. Right? Uh-huh. So it'll make with a a special   piece of fine. They're gonna burn it.   And then they're gonna put some little portals in your,   in your skin.   And this secretion of the frog,   they're gonna put it in, and it's gonna start to burn in your in your head and stuff like that. And this this frog poison is gonna scan your body   and takes care of all the shit that shouldn't be there.  



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Oh,  

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wow. So when you put it out, that card is just like,   wow. Wild.  

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So,   yeah. What this the the four qualities of the tree frog are   soul   song,   meditation,   creation,   and rebirth.  

[01:30:08] Unknown:

Wow.  

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So the rebirth, that sounds exactly like what that process is   is doing   for you. At least the closest correlation.   Right? But that's very that's that's that's that is   of all the possible fucking synchronicities   out there, because the these are odd, like, you know, the endangered it's an endangered species deck. Mhmm. Right? You know, like, the tree frog, it could they could have picked any frog. It's just for for frog spirits.   Right. But the tree frog was picked because it's an endangered   exotic.  

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Right.  

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Alright.   Growth.   So the parting wisdom   is the term growth.   The tallest oak tree once started as a seedling.   Don't be afraid   to start something new.  

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Mhmm.  

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And that's interesting because you've   growth and sprouting.   I've never gotten a tighter correlation between an I Ching and a Whispering Woods card in a reading before.  

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Wow.   Wow.   And and that for for a guy who who who's gonna turn 50 2 in a few,   strongs.   Never too late to sprout fellow humans. Never too late to sprout and depolteous your dreams.  

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Now does it really matter how many solar returns you've had between friends?  

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It's   Mhmm. Can you see how many?  

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You said 52.  

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Right.   I always say I'm 52, Windows Young.   I'm not always. I'm gonna say that in a few, strongs. Not now.   51.  

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For sure. For sure.   So, yeah, that's,   yeah. Like shit. So, yeah, so that that's how I do that's how I do   a a a a reading with somebody who doesn't,   understand,   what what the tarot means. You know? It's fun when I'm doing it with, like if if another tarot reader wants to get a reading from me, because that's kind because then we can then then we're having, like, the back and forth because they know exactly what, like, the death card means to them and yada yada yada. It it's wild on a level because then I'm speaking another language, then I'm getting into, like, tarot vernacular   at that high. It might as well be speaking Swahili.  

That's that's that's initiatory   level like   like psychic health.  

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Right. So so how many readings do you do?   Is is this like you do this for a living?  

[01:33:01] Unknown:

No. It's just available, then I charge money for it. But I,   I work at a temp agency,   for a living that throws me at all sorts of different jobs at warehouses, construction sites. I buy   people's trash and whatnot. Uh-huh.   I just do general labor right now while   working on on crazy weird wizard shit.  

[01:33:22] Unknown:

Oh.   So where do people can find you?  

[01:33:29] Unknown:

I   like to,   stay   very active with my YouTube.   So   Xarelath Immortal YouTube is a favored   place to do it. I'm Xarelath on Instagram.   I'm I'm kinda   kinda operating over there.   I've got a a page on Facebook,   Xarelath   Divinations.   And, then you can find me on,   on on on Telegram and stuff. You know, I mean, like, you look for Xarelath, you're gonna find me. Right? There's nobody else is calling themselves Xarelath out there. I Oh, it I made it up I made it up, and therefore, it's me. Good. I got the same with disorganized. I think there are some some things that trick me out with, some Google research. But, normally, if you look at disorganized  

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productions,   I'm going to pop up. And especially   been known now by Indian people   that   want to provide me some SEO because I'm very hard to find on the Internet.   The only thing is they can send me an email. So   how bad am I   with my SEO when somebody can pull me   my email out, thisornashproductgmail.com?   Yeah.   Yeah. I had a great time, dude.   And I'm sorry because just before you we we jumped on the show,   shout out to snake turbine hat,   that connected us yesterday   eventually because I was listening to your show together with   Stein.  

And,   I was listening to the show and and then he said, dude, he's going to sign up for you. I said, oh, cool. And yesterday morning when I was working here,   I, I saw I saw the, the the the Glendly, and I thought it was 8 o'clock. So I thought, okay. I'm gonna do some stuff. I'm gonna make myself some dinner and stuff like that. And then Snake called me and said, like, hey, dude. You got the you got the link for the show? He said, yeah. Sure. Why? It's in in 2 hours. No, man. It's like now. I said, oh, shit.   So so one of the cats of my girlfriend   without benefits   ran out of the fucking house.  

This is like,   she has a furry pussy, like a Norwegian   cat.  

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Oh, oh, a cat.  

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A cat. Yes.  

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Yes.   Watch your vernacular, sir.   Hey. Sparels.  

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No. This is this is our next production.   It's like, what the fuck is this cereal?  

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America, too many men talk about women like that in the locker room. Right? So Oh, I used to I'm used to, like, code language.  

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I do not code anything. I just put put it out like it is, man. Like it   is. But,   yeah, one of their one of her cats, not her pussy, but one of her cats ran out of the fucking house while I was on the telephone with Snake trying to put up the link for you, and I had to put my camera on and all that stuff, you know, make makeup, all that shit,   put another mask on because you don't have to know what my real identity is and stuff like that.   Bear. Right.   Oh, it's it's Sunday, so   worship the sun for god's sake.   Do do you also listen to,   let's say,   Bruin music or or viking music like Heilung and and and stuff like that. You like that?  



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I have Heilung   Life on vinyl.  

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It's it's a it's good, isn't it? Oh.  

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Oh, yes.  

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Oh, no. I've I'm listening to yeah. Yeah. I listen to all sorts of stuff like that. It's you know, I need it for meditation and things. Yes. Exactly. Wagruna and stuff like that. These are, like, bands that that make the old stuff. I really love to do that, to listen to that in a meditative state. Oh, yeah. I went to Peru,   the other day, like, 2 months ago.   And, I did Ayahuasca. And also, so did Campbell, the the frog and San Pedro.   But, I have my Spotify list filled with,   I'm on a Marf because I didn't knew them that much, that that good.   So that was a good, way to, you know, to get into the fucking jungle.  

And, of course, Hailong and, and Wardruna and stuff like that. So that that really keeps me on track. And and, I like to listen to the drums, you know, and,   I like that kind of stuff. Yeah.   Dude, time flies by when you're having fun. But Yeah. No. This is perfect. Yeah. I can't let you go without asking you 14 questions.   Some of them are difficult. Some of them don't.   Which is is this the gauntlet that all your guests go through? This is like you have like a Yes. This is the pain killer. This this is the pain in the ass without a loop, no tree.  

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Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. Okay.  

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So let let me oh, no. I I don't have them on my fucking   no. I'm just gonna put it out of my hand just like alright.   Jeremiah,   What's your definition of god?  

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It is the,   it is   that higher force. The Kybellion calls it the all, which we know is the mind.  

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Mhmm.   And what's your definition of the devil?   Oh,  

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those   who came   from the anti gods.  

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Okay.   What's your definition of value?  

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Mhmm. That   which is,   of use,   which is of use.  

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Okay.   What's your definition or the last definition question that,   what's your definition of success?  

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Being in the world   of my dreams.  

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Nice one.   Alright. What's your favorite music?   Well, you answered that question, right? I basically answered that question.  

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If we wanna boil it down to a genre,   I would have to say,   a a basically   melodic   blackened death metal.  

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Mhmm. It would probably be my favorite genre. So yeah. And for the listeners at home that do not know this kind of music, these are the t shirts where there is some, like, someone put in some spaghetti on the wall, but that's actually   a title   of band.   Right?  

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But, you know, most of the stuff I listen to   does not go that   that gnarly of a script. Some of the fights that I may do.   I'll say, like, the new blood incantation. Blood incantation definitely   does it like that.   Right. But they they they are way more than a death metal band.   Way more. Anyway.  

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What's your favorite book?  

[01:41:08] Unknown:

Oh, my favorite book. Holy shit.   Well,   the last book,   that,   the last two books that I read thus have been on my mind   were,   Martin Heidegger's Being in Time, which I read on my channel, and you can watch that whole series.   Or, what I read   in my personal time was Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead.  

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Oh,   that's popping up a few times now on my podcast.   Interesting. We were talking about it,   on a gods on the spectrum on, on Telegram. So check it out. I don't know if you can see the old messages,   but we had a,   yeah. I think there's a song no. There's a complete album from Rush,   which is called 21/31   or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's about that,  

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from Iran. Yeah. Rush Rush,   Rush has a liking to   a few of Ayn Rand's, principles. I I think,   like, I remember that Rush's song, the trees,   was supposed to   be an anti communist   allegory because the whole message of the trees   was is that all the little trees   were resenting all the big trees for their roots taking up so much of the ground. So they conspired against the big trees to chop them down so that way they can get more sunlight because they're blocking out the sun. And that's sorry. Their canopy was blocking out the sun is what it was. Right? And so   they cut down all the big trees, so now they got access to the sun. Right? Because they're basically the it's blaming the upper class for denying you your relationship with God, which is absurd   which is absurd on its face   except when you understand how we are entrapped by the religions that we grow up in. Right? So,   so they cut down the trees, and then all the small trees, I think, got   washed away in a storm or something like that because the wind and the rain,   destroyed them because they destroyed all the big trees that were protecting them in the context of the greater forest.  

So it's a play on you can't see the forest through the trees, so this is the little trees   looking at the big trees as a forest that they're stuck in. Right.   Right? That that that's what makes it so that's what's fascinating about the storytelling   in,   Rush's The Trees.  

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That's so   it's it's so deeply woven, the the things that she's been,   putting out.   And I have to see what's the what's the oh, yeah. Well, it's so it's,   2,112.   That's the album from Rush. 2,112,   which is,   basically on, Iron Rands.   I think it's the the the fountainhead. So okay.   What's your favorite food?  

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Favorite food?   Man,   I am,   got it in you know, like,   my Italian mother, you know, I I'm I I can very much be like a like a like a steak or a meatball and pasta   kinda guy. Right? How do   you know, I'm I'm trying not to go nuts with complex carbs   and trying to do better on,   on on simple carbs too because cutting weight,   for myself and no one else. Mhmm.   But,   you know, like, there's also like, there's a lot of there's a handful of very interesting foods that that I love, you know, like Indian food,   Chinese food,   you know, occasionally Japanese food.  

I I got a pretty  

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diverse palate, to be honest. But it's it's like more like the the pasta kind of thing, like, Indian food and stuff like that. Like, the rice and stuff like that.  

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Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of rice and and and stuff like that in it. Yeah. Okay.  

[01:45:33] Unknown:

Yeah.   So what's your favorite drink or beverage?   Oh,  

[01:45:43] Unknown:

fluoride free water.  

[01:45:45] Unknown:

Oh, good.   You filter it yourself?  

[01:45:51] Unknown:

Here in the states, there's a company called 0 Water Filter. That's what I use because I can't afford a Berkey filter. Oh.   But the 0 Water Filter,   has its own meter, and it's designed to take out all the total,   dissolved solids.  

[01:46:08] Unknown:

Right.   So Just give you   tip. Yeah. Because you said the the I got a Berkey.   Yeah. But they had a, they have a big problem because,   the governments in Europe, they,   what was that? They they put them into court because they can't claim a medical blah, blah, blah, blah. It's, of course, a big hoax because they just don't want people to have,   filtered water. Because   we have to be sick. We have to be cattle that have been put in into,   the bin for,   for for the big industries. Right? For a farmer.  

[01:46:46] Unknown:

The government had no place regulating any of that shit. It's just like, you know, like,   people can make their own decisions. The people that walk that make the water filters,   can be held personally accountable. Right? No.   You know, like, people if people listen to Ayn Rand, they'd understand a thing or 2. Like, you know, she believed   a handful of small courts   was more or less the only government you actually needed.   Oh, for sure. You know, granted you're talking about also weeding out a whole lot of other toxic systems and, thus, also people that would be dependent on those toxic systems for all of it to work. Right?   It's largely a utopian   fantasy what Ayn Rand is is is looking for only because   most people,   their minds are so far away from wanting to be like   John   Galt.  

I agree. And understandably   so because,   it takes more than being a Randian   to get an effective John Gault because Damn. Is that a word? Randian?  

[01:47:53] Unknown:

Yeah.   Wow.  

[01:47:55] Unknown:

Kinda.   I like, I've it's a word in context because a Randian could could   anything that's got the word Rand in it could be Randian.   Right? Right.   So,   I mean, it's a it's just like it's just it's a word that's gonna pop up as a fluid way of talking about   people,   who are Ayn Rand,   like, fan fans. Right. Right. Right. People that, like, really know the philosophy   and try to embody some of it. You know, I try to embody some of it. Before I   read,   Atlas Shrugged   or the fountainhead, I read the epistemology of objectivism first. I read nonfiction, Ayn Rand first.   Right? Right. You know? And then I read   then I read,   Shrugged, then I read Fountainhead.  

Fountainhead   is Fountainhead is   a shorter book,   and,   it's also easier to relate to it. Because   when you understand   that,   the main character   doesn't have to outright give you all of his personal reasons why he wants   to do what he wants to do in the business of architecture,   make the buildings   his way,   the way you know, not just inform, but in process of building it. Mhmm.   And and the manner of which he makes his independent deals with other persons.   Right?   It's it's a whole, like, it's a whole it's a very practical map for an individual   trying to be an individual   in a collectivist   industry.  

Right? Because   story is   Henry   Reardon, I think, is the main character's name, or Hank Reardon.   He's trying to be a big success   in architecture. He wants to build   new kinds of buildings.   His entire style and his entire   business   business ethical procedure   is antithetical   to the architecture industry   of his time that he is trying to get into.   And then it gets into the deep philosophical   reasons why they are too stubborn   to let him have his place in their freaking culture   and as well as why he is so stubborn that he doesn't want to bend to their culture   just for his right to do business his way.  

Right.   Get into the deeper   personal meanings of that, including for an atheist,   some very, very wise ideas about God.  

[01:50:36] Unknown:

I never read it, to be honest with you, but I'm gonna definitely gonna read it. I'm not a reader, but I'm trying to. Because it's not it's not that that thick, that book. Right?  

[01:50:46] Unknown:

It's not too thick. It's not too thick. It's it's It's still pretty it's still a it's still heavy reading. I'd say Yeah. Yeah. But heavier reading is Atlas Shrugged. It's just shorter.  

[01:50:57] Unknown:

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna gonna,   take take notice of that.   So   what's your favorite clothing that you like to wear the most?  

[01:51:10] Unknown:

You know, I am a,   I'm largely   a, like, like, maybe it's, like, some people have,   like, typically, like, a a a a good, like, straight black pair of jeans   and,   and, like, a black T shirt is, you know, with a band on it   is good enough for me under fair weather. Right? You know? Yeah.   Of course, I have a liking,   to dressing like this. I don't have a motorcycle.   I just I also like this look because you don't have to see my nipples, but you can still see most of my tattoos.  

[01:51:47] Unknown:

Right?   So so so it's a it's a a voyeuristic,   exhibitionistic   look?   A a little bit. A little bit. I ain't gonna lie. Just like the leather. Come on. You just like it. The the leather on your skin. Yeah. Obviously.  

[01:52:03] Unknown:

Sure. I'll wear this I'll wear this on stage probably for, like, one song, then it'll get too sweaty, and I'll have to take it off. Right. Right. Right. Leather leather sweats.  

[01:52:14] Unknown:

Yes. But I love leather sweats.   I don't know I don't know where this is going now, but  

[01:52:21] Unknown:

Well, you didn't have to say sweats. No. I didn't had to, but I just did. Fuck. What a sweat leather?   What you do in your own time on your OnlyFans  

[01:52:33] Unknown:

that Oh, oh, oh, oh.   Yeah. Disclaimer for for some OnlyFans,   advertising right now. No.   No. Okay.   Joliet,   what's your,   favorite holiday destination?  

[01:52:52] Unknown:

Good question.   Oh my god.   My favorite holiday destination.  

[01:53:02] Unknown:

Shit.  

[01:53:08] Unknown:

I don't know. I really don't know, because there's so many goddamn places   I think about going.   Right? And,   I suppose I wouldn't even be thinking them holiday wise more, like, for that whole, like,   let me go see, like, some magic ancestral sites or some shit. Right? You know,   which You've been to Europe at might be more work than holiday.  

[01:53:33] Unknown:

Right. Have you been to Europe?   No. No. I haven't. Oh,   dude. The the the have you been to Scandinavia?  

[01:53:43] Unknown:

Yeah. No. No. That's that that's like I haven't   I've been I've been to Canada once   as a young one. Different.   Yeah. There's only a few 1,000 miles of Giving you an idea of how under traveled I sadly am.  

[01:53:59] Unknown:

But that's no problem, man. If you if you come to Europe,   you hook me up,   from here from the Netherlands, which is a very, very small country.   It's like, I think, probably,   one, maybe 2 day drive to, to Scandinavia,   to up north.   Yeah. Yeah. It's worthwhile because you're gonna see Germany. You're gonna see, what, about, about a part of the Netherlands   with the the,   the.   I don't know what what's it called. And so they have these   big pillars stacked up on on on top of each other. I don't know what's it called. Like graves, old graves.   They found it here. It's it's Germanic.  

Of course, you got a piece of Germany, then Denmark, then you're gonna take over, that you're gonna take over.   Be careful to take over with the Vikings. No. You're going to take the ferry to   Sweden.   That's,   I mean, that's where it all comes from, right, the ruins,   A part of it.  

[01:55:02] Unknown:

Yeah. Right. Right. Right.  

[01:55:04] Unknown:

Okay.   And, of course, we we got beer here in bands and stuff like that.  

[01:55:10] Unknown:

Worse. Worse you do. Mead. I need Mead.  

[01:55:14] Unknown:

What's your,   what's your favorite motto?  

[01:55:20] Unknown:

My favorite motto?   Yeah. Jeez.  

[01:55:29] Unknown:

Or maybe what's your life's motto? That's maybe better.  

[01:55:38] Unknown:

Oh, man.   There are things that I like, there are, like, I don't like man, I use mottos,   as they come and are appropriate.   And so I'm trying to think of is there a motto that at this point   might pop up as a thing   with me? I can't think of it. You know? It's just like I don't spend time   with, like, catchphrases.  

[01:56:05] Unknown:

You know? And No. No. No. That's   that's okay.  

[01:56:08] Unknown:

I think I think I don't have an answer for you on on, like,  

[01:56:12] Unknown:

that level of mono. That that's a that's an answer to the question. Right?   Sure.   Okay. So last question will be,   do you have a, like, a quote that you really like? It's a little bit same as the model, but maybe a little bit different.  

[01:56:30] Unknown:

I see what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Man. Okay. A quote that I like.   You know, I mean,   a simple one like know thyself,   which,   without clarity of what it means to know thyself is a terrible,   is a terrible cliche.   But,   you know,   when you realize   what there is to know   about oneself,   it it makes it more significant when when you realize things like talking about our life path numbers or astrologies,   You know,   ancestral   ancestral connections,   through through history,   you know and what all of those things mean and   healing blockages,   you know, due to, like, childhood,   like, whatever reasons. You block the thing out. And you you go through all these little itty bitty things as you as you go in your process of   of, proper development and coming into wholeness,   so on and so forth. Right? And so knowing knowing thyself,   you know,   to do the work to know thyself, and I wish I knew how to distill that into   into more of a single word right now, but I can't. No. I'm just no problem, man. It's no problem.  



[01:58:09] Unknown:

Sarah Zari Lath. Barry, thank you for hopping on this organized production. I I hope you had a great time. I I did. Thank you for the reading. Yeah. I think it really helped me because, I knew where I was going, but now it confirmed   again, which is very, very nice to see that, some things can, just pop up just like that and, confirms that you're on the right path.   I'm probably gonna see each other in in the future.   We're gonna hook up because we're on the same group nowadays, so we can,   eventually,   get in contact with each other.   For all the listeners at home, thank you for listening to this episode from Disorganized Productions.  

Not from out my car, which is gonna be probably the next,   episode is gonna be out of my car.   Thank you, Lizzie, for supporting me here to to sit here in this warm house.   As a homeless man, it's really nice to to have a house where you can do the stuff that you do.   And,   well,   greetings to to you,   Zarileth. And, thank you again. And for all your listeners back home, have a beautiful morning, a beautiful day, or beautiful   evening, no matter where you are on this beautiful   plain planet.   Thank you.   Couldn't fulfill my dreams.   I've been running for all my life   with a devil on my heels.  

He wasn't always kind,   and he couldn't fulfill my dreams.   He's a pain in the ass.   Black as a night,   god   showed me the light.   He's a pain in the ass.   Black