Welcome to another episode of the Disorganized Productions Podcast, where we explore the depths of personal growth and spiritual journeys. I'm your host, Rob, and today, I share insights from my recent adventure in Peru. I participated in traditional ceremonies with the Shipiba Inca indigenous people, including Ayahuasca, San Pedro, and Kambo. This experience was transformative, and I reflect on the importance of disconnecting from the digital world to fully engage in such profound journeys.
In this episode, we also welcome a special guest, Stijn Fawkes, from Greyhornpagans.com. Stijn shares his path to paganism, a belief system that resonates deeply with him. We delve into the essence of paganism, its historical roots, and its presence in modern life. Stijn discusses the significance of rituals, the power of nature, and the spiritual connection that paganism fosters.
We explore the misconceptions surrounding paganism, its revival in contemporary society, and the importance of honoring ancient traditions while adapting them to today's world. Stijn's insights offer a fresh perspective on spirituality, community, and the enduring strength found in ancient beliefs.
Join us as we navigate these intriguing topics, and discover how embracing a pagan lifestyle can lead to personal empowerment and a deeper connection with the world around us.
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Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby.
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What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the lore.
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Welcome fellow human to the disorganized productions podcast. The show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode, we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you. Tap into your limitless potential and conquer life's challenges. Hey there, fellow human. I just wanna give you a quick update about my Peru adventure. It's, Saturday now, when I am recording, the episode I am gonna release within a few seconds for you. But I just wanna briefly, touch base on what I did in Peru.
So I went with the Shipiba Inca indigenous Indians, and we had some ceremonies with Ayahuasca, some ceremonies with the or one ceremony with, San Pedro and 2 with Campbell, the frog. Yeah. In one word, fantastic. In one sentence, you had to be there. It was quite a journey and, to be honest with you, I wanted to do podcast in the middle of the jungle, but my laptop, wasn't powered up. There's no power in the middle of the jungle. How how could you imagine that? But there's no power, not for all devices that have to be, reloaded such as normal batteries, power banks and telephones, but, it's very, very normal not to have power when the sun doesn't shine. It's called the rainforest.
So, what do you think you can expect? Well, sunshine and rain and we had quite some rain and to be honest with you, I, when I'm looking back, I'm really grateful, and happy that I didn't do any podcasting. And I'm gonna tell you why.
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If you do such a trip as I did in the middle of a jungle
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with, the indigenous people and do some ceremonies, there's no time for digital shit. It really takes you out and off the process, and that would that would harm me as a person with my inner journey that I, spend with and that I did in the jungle, to, to get rid of all the stupid stuff that's been put out in the Western world. Wi Fi, people are talking, shattering, shattering, blah blah blah, all over the fucking place. Yeah. Telephones. I I did use my telephone once in a while to record something and, most of the time recording or better said, taking a picture of the environment and the stuff that we see, like beautiful butterflies, birds, the the rainforest itself, the jungle, it's like amazing.
Too much talk to do that Maybe it's gonna pop up in some of my podcasts. Maybe I'm going to, edit some stuff together, but to be honest with you, when I arrived on Wednesday night, it was like in the middle of the night back home, on Thursday I had to work, and on Friday I had to work, on Friday evening I did some other stuff, family stuff, and today is Saturday. Recording or just recorded a episode, editing all the stuff, so I don't have the time or didn't took the time and didn't had the time to, yeah, to deep down to dig deep down into my system and, do some meditating and stuff like that. So, after this record or recording, I will, post it, of course, and then I will have gonna I will have my rest for maybe 12 hours.
So, if you want to know more, please hit me up with, disorder [email protected]. If you still want to sponsor this show, please do find all the links attached in my link tree down in the show description. And for all the people that sponsored me throughout my journey to Peru and did other stuff. You know who you are in the jungle, baby. You know who you are, beautiful fellow human. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, to make this beautiful adventure possible, and to, well, adventure possible and to, well, basically to to, get my show to 2.0.
So, we're scaling up. More guests are to come. Beautiful things are to going, to, are going to, be followed out the end of this year, and the beginning of 2025. I'm really excited about that. And for now, without any further ado, fellow human, enjoy the show.
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Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human, welcome to another episode of disorganized productions. Today, we have a very special guest. His name is Stein Fokas, and, he is the chart of the Greyhornpagans.com. We're gonna talk about paganism, mystics, esoteric, all that kind of stuff that really fascinates and interest me and hopefully you also. So please, a warm welcome for Steyn.
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Stay welcome to disorganized productions. Yeah. Thanks, Bill. Thanks for the invitation.
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Yeah. We we scheduled very fast. That was really awesome. We I talked to Yost, which is a friend of mine. I did 3 podcasts with him. He said, yeah. Just catch him up with the with that because you have a podcast on the 11th January. If I'm
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I, I I put it a bit forward in the, in the schedule, so it actually releases by the end of this month, by the end of November. Wow. I thought, you know, since he's, like, coming out with his book and everything and he also kinda wants to use it as as promo material. You know, it'd be nice if it's actually, like, out when his book is out.
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Right. Please introduce yourself to the audience, Stijn.
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With pleasure. Yeah. My name is Stein. I go by Stein Fox on the interwebs, because I used to be a edgy, what is it, edgy conspiracy theorist. Oh, way way too way too obsessed with Anonymous and the whole hackers thing and whatever. Not them ever, was ever that good with computers, but hey, you know, yeah. Hello, cat. Come here. Yeah. It's Mike. Oh, look at that. My kids are the host. His name?
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Timmy. Timmy. Because rat cats are always, male, right? Most of them.
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Most of them. Yeah. I believe so. Yeah. It's hard to interrupt. He's my, my my kiddie cohost. Uh-huh. When I was late here. Well, I mean, he's he's bad enough with 4 limbs a little late. Now, but every time I do a show, whether it's as a, as a guest or a host, he has to be there. So, yeah, Host of the Greyhorn Pagans podcast, Jarl of the Tribe of the Greyhorn Pagans. So head of the the tribe of the Greyhorn Pagans, a tribe that I, that I found together with my wife after just years years of being in other groups and trying and, just not not getting there. Not not getting the, the teachings that I wanted to, not getting the connections that I wanted to, or, you know, people getting really, really up in their ego, you know, which is very much not what paganism is about.
You know, it's very much a or you know, at least Northern European, Germanic, paganism is very much a honor culture. So if you're gonna, you know, break your own rules and, yeah, just be all ego, then you're, you know, you can't really call yourself a pagan. And I got so sick and tired of all that all that nonsense that I was just like, you know what, I'm just gonna do it myself. Right. I have enough experience. I've seen plenty of times how not to do it. So Trial and error? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of error. A lot of trial. Yeah. Since I wanna say, like, 4 4 years now.
The tribe of Greyhorn pagans is a thing. We also have our legal religious aspects because we are trying to, to get it from a what is now mostly online community to a IRL. We're really trying to get our own grove, our own, you know, own piece of land so we can, like, actually have tribal lands. So the legal side of things is the Grove of Odin. Wow. And you can find all of that on ww.greyhornpagans dot com. And if there's something that you wanna know and it's not on the website, just, you know, send us a message. It goes directly into my inbox. I'll reply pretty much right away because, I mean podcasting, blogging, that's what I do for the moment. I'm in between jobs and I don't mind it at all.
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Okay. Between your jobs, what's your job?
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Well, I used to work a lot in, in security and, hull diving. Mhmm. But security, I mean, you really can't do anything. You're, you know, a civilian with a fee on your chest. Yeah. That's about it. Hard having, let's say for, you know, your English audience, local, like very local law enforcement. I get tired of the politics. I get tired of the, the political games being played. I I don't do politics Right. Let alone at my workplace. So, and now I'm just, yeah, podcasting, blogging, doing a lot of things to gain experience as a, a radio tech.
So mixing, mastering of audio for, for the radio. So I work at Radio Harlem, local radio station, once a week. And, yeah, that's that's a lot of a lot of fun. I always wanted to, wanted to do more with with music and sound or whatever and now at Radio Harlem as a, as a volunteer, like, it's not paid, but hey, you know, it's it gets me experience, it gets me the, the right kind of connections and, you know, I like doing it. So Right. This is a beautiful segue though because,
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I told you just before you hopped on. And for listeners, this is gonna be completely new. I'm just back from Peru, and I I I had some downloads, divine downloads, whatever you gotta call it. I'm going to ask my guest right away the 14 questions. So you will know him a little bit more better before we have the complete interview. So, I hope you are ready for it, Stein, because some of them are really hard. Yeah. So you know them. Are really cute, really easy. So my first one will be, what's your favorite color?
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Oh, Christ. Not a We'll say red.
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Oh, shit. No. I didn't say it with my Oh, there it is again. Okay. Red. I think you're you're good. Yeah. What's your favorite music?
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Metalcore. Oh nice. Like Cork it. Yes sir. What kind of bands? Oh, the one that I keep going back to will always be, Parkway Drive. Really love Parkway Drive. Okay. Bullet for my Valentine because I used to be that evil kid as well. So bullet's always that's always good. Right. Gosh. I mean, it's as far towards death gore, but Whitechapel, suicide silence, but the real hard stuff. Right? So it's, Yeah. Yeah. Like, the the real hard stuff, like, going crazy in the pits and, you know, getting getting beat up and beating other people up. Oh. Having fun having fun doing it. Right. With the smile on your face. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. You know, you're getting kicked in the face. You're like, this is great. Yeah. Exactly. It's it's like my my
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well, my thing to go because I went to to hardcore, punk, metal, harsh rock, all that kind of stuff. So that's, you know, stage diving and marching, that's that's what you do. You know, it's not like, Sunday dance. It's something completely different. What's your favorite movie or series?
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Coricine, that's awesome.
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Have you heard the question? Because I just want I think You're kind
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of freezing up there.
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Yeah. Now I I'm good. Right? Because I just skipped to my data. No, the connection. Yeah, no, the connection, which should be better because I got few messages of unstable, but it should be good right now. What's your favorite movie or series?
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Oh, my favorite movie of all time will always be The Crow, with Brendan Lee, the original one.
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I just have to be honest with you, Dan, I never saw it. The crow. You're missing out, man. You're missing out. Well, I got some time left when I'm not doing podcasts or work or working on my other creative stuff.
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So sometimes you have to just See, Yeah, but the original one with Brendan Lee, the, the 1996 one, there are multiple CRO Muhta's and of course, you know, recently a new one came out. But the one with Brendan Lee will always be the, the original one, the actual one. Very much. Did he died afterwards? During. During? During. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's also kinda why the, the movie got the the cult status that it has.
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I'm gonna dig into that, especially now that I'm more not a wager star. I've been awake since I opened my fucking eyes. So, well, since I know a little bit more, or I think I know a little bit more, since I went down your rabbit hole and don't crawl out because you can't. If you go to like favorite series, what would that be?
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Oh. I really like Twin Peaks.
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Like a little bit of Wicked stuff?
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And it's and it's very occult. It's very very occult, but I I do like it. I mean, that's that's why I started watching it because, good friend of mine actually from the, the Occult Rejects podcast, He, like, was was going on and on about, like, how it's just so amazingly occult. And then I started watching it, and I started, seeing a lot of lot of the things that he saw. And I was like, holy shit. Like, first of all, this is just an awesome series. Like, it's really cool. Yeah. But damn, there's some cult shit in this.
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It's like nineties. Right? Nineties. 26. Yeah. 2000 maybe?
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Yeah. 22, 2000, but, the majority of the series is set in, I believe, like, the 19 sixties.
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Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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But, yeah, it's it's very it's a very good show to watch. Like, it's very entertaining. The characters are, you know, very, very entertaining, very unique. Like, each one is pretty unique.
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And then just, you know, if you if you see the, the layers underneath, you can, like, really enjoy that too. And it's not like 15 or 20 seasons, right? As nowadays, when you watch a series, you're like, oh, this is a great season. Oh, there's another one coming up, and another one, and another one. And it's all been the milking cow for the same stupid stuff.
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Yeah. No. A a lot of seasons have that nowadays. Where, you know, they they get a second season while they definitely do not deserve a second season.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why I like it when I talk to my guests when I get some, hints like, movie or stuff like that. I got a hint from Jaguar, a while ago, like, oh, Epecliptico. You gotta see it from Mel Gibson. I watched the yesterday. That's a brutal one. That's a Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's a brutal one because they were brutal.
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What do you expect, right? Yeah. I mean, it's accurate.
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It's accurate. That's the whole thing. It's accurate. Yeah. It's same with The Passion of Christ, I never saw it, but it should be like, woah, holy shit. Well, what do you think when you're bearing a cross up a hill and you've been beaten down by Romans? What kind of movie do you expect, right? Yeah. It's just it's so stupid that people have a I tried watching The Passion of the Christ, but I
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I couldn't get into it. Too much? No. No. It just it didn't it didn't grip me. Right. Like religious kind of stuff. I don't I don't mind religion, you know, even if it's very, you know, opposed and juxtaposed to, to my way of life. I don't I know glided, you know, I can watch it objectively. That's perfectly fine. But, you know, if a movie like the first 10, 15 minutes, if it just if it doesn't do it for me, I'm just gonna turn it off. Like, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm simple, man. You know? You gotta you gotta grip me in the first 10, 15 minutes. If you haven't by then, yeah. Waste us time. Skip it. You tried.
Right.
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What's your favorite book, Stein?
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Oh, shit. That's a good one. I have read a lot of books in my life. Oh, actually, it's a, a book series that I have I think it's only book series that I have watched or have read multiple times, like, as as a series. I I have it in my my bookcase, behind me, but I don't know the name exactly, but the premise is, like, it's set in a kind of an alternative alternative timeline Italy. And then like traveling, with hold on. I'm just I'm just gonna I'm just gonna grab same thing going. If I do podcast, my mind is just fucking blank. It's like, oh. No. Like, I I know I know the titles, but I know it's a series. Give me one sec. I know where I know where they are. I mean, they're teen books but they're so well written and now that I've, you know, grown a, a larger understanding of esoterica and all of that I can appreciate it on all.
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One sec. One sec. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Go for it. I'm gonna get my tea while while we're doing that second. Nobody knows. Right, father. You were just a small break.
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Life.
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Right. I will back. I just forgot my tea when I went to the podcast. So
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There there are 4 books actually. The it's, Stravaganza. Stravaganza. Stravaganza. The city of Masks. City of Masks which is set in a, as you might may have guessed from the title, a alternative, Venice, like an alternative timeline Venice. Mhmm. City of Stars, City of Secrets, City of Flowers. And I think like these four books, all of them, I have read at least 2, 2 times maybe 3. Wow. Wow. So you are a real reader, right? Because I can, I can, I wrote some books? I'm a bookworm. It's in the family. Right? Okay. My dad has a huge, huge library of his, his own his own books.
My sister really loves to read. Even my my daughter, 9 years old, sweetheart, she has her own mini library in her room.
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You know that's something that's really valuable because once they're going to flush the digital libraries on the internet, you still have the copy of the stuff that's really important.
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I mean, the internet archive has been hacked a few times already. Oh, yeah. And that's like the internet archive. That's where everything is. And not to mention that some people have a PDF
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and all of a sudden some words are out. So when once you connect to the internet, they they just can, you know, oh, that file when that comes up, just delete this shit. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. Like,
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yeah, like retroactively changing the document. That's been done, yeah. That's crazy. It is. I mean, the internet, like, it's absolutely great. I mean, we definitely wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for the internet. Like, you wouldn't have a podcast or, you know, not not I mean, probably both of us wouldn't have a podcast, like, or maybe, like, tinkering with Pirate Radio as, you know, they did Right. Way back in the days. But, I mean, like, for all its its benefits, it has its downsides too. Like, it's very much a double edged sword and I mean the you know the the people in charge let's let's you know let's call them that they're not elites. They're definitely not the the actual elites.
But the people in charge, they definitely are seeing the dangers of the internet. That's why they're trying to censor it so heavily.
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Yeah, it's too much knowledge that you can find, 30 years ago, you couldn't. You have to go to some people in the village, and they would say, oh, wait a minute, you're going far too off. Yeah. Nowadays, you can just type it in and you can have the, well, not the wisdom, but the knowledge that you maybe know something. Because that's another question, right? If you know it, is that the truth? Because they can say whatever. If you go to a normal Google machine and you find the truth or something that they say that's the truth,
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be careful. Exactly. You know, always, like, stay skeptical.
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Yes. That's one of my favorite shirts in my teat public shop. Oh, disclaimer, a little bit of, come on. I gotta get the lights going. Mister or missus skeptic. There you got it. Nice. Stein, what's your favorite drink?
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Beer. I'm always Just like I'm always good for a beer. Alright.
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In a in a horn or just in the glass?
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Oh, horn if there is one. Right. But most people still use glasses. But, like, then actual beer glass. And Right. Either Herttuian or Trolls. Don't come at me with that Heineken.
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No. No. No. Whatever. Whatever it was supposed to be. It's it's like, drinking water in a no, but was it? No, I don't know. I don't say it because it was close to water because this was, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I know. It's my favorite food. You know, I think you know that they're saying that we're going there. I can't spell it, so just fuck it. It's fine. What's your favorite food?
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Oh, shit. That's another good one. Like, I I love to eat. I'm I am my father's son. I'm definitely, you know, from father's side of the family. They're all very, you know, lovers of good food and good drink. Well, Ramdys? Yeah. Yeah. Very much. You know, they start out just, you know, slim and athletic, and then they get a desk job and they just actually
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Inexplainable,
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yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, that's why I have to keep training. Right. You know, train to eat and eat to train, so. But favorite food, sheesh, That's, well, man, like, I like I like everything. There is there is not yeah. Christ.
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I think it's also a little bit of, a Dutch way because we don't have any, like, haute cuisine, like like, pea soup, soup. It's okay. Yeah. And Derivi Stambod, oh, wow. You know, we don't have a cuisine because we had 2 big harbors, like Rotterdam and in Amsterdam. And all the stuff that we eat comes from there, like Chinese food, like shawarma, whatever, Indian food, whatever, that that's all. We don't have anything like that. People can discuss that with me, fine. But if you say that bitterballa and, frikandel is like Dutch cuisine, maybe it is, but, well, think again, right?
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I don't know. I mean, yeah. But that's that's also, you know, it's it's cold up here. So we all the foods have to be fatty. They have to be starchy. They have to get us, you know, through the cold winter. That's why, you know, stumbled like a lot of potatoes. Oh, yeah. A lot of potatoes.
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Or I was thinking about herring. No matches? Her new herring with, with onions? Oh, I do like that. Me too. I smell like a shit for about 2 days. That is so good.
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The fats you're gonna get into your body, it's so good. Oh, yeah. Just eat the Onvega fats and and all of that. Yeah. You know, if if we're talking Dutch cuisine, like proper Dutch cuisine, just herring. Like, herring some with some some chopped onions. Maybe maybe, like, a a pickle slice or 2, but preferably just herring onions. That's it. Like, I'll have that any day. I mean, my my wife, she's American, but, so she absolutely hates it. Raw fish, what? Yeah. Raw fish.
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If you say that to people like tourists, it's like, oh my god. You know, we think that the Japanese are weird with the fish and the sushi. We eat it raw.
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Yeah. And Raw. Like, the whole fish. The raw. I mean, like Yeah. Yeah. Like, with with sushi, it's, you know, prepared, and it's, you know, like in a sushi roll, and get me out of this, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, make it nice, but we're just, like, not facial.
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Yeah. It's the same thing that, ah, shit. What, from Pulp Fiction, one of the first lines have been said, like, John Travolta to, Samuel Jackson. You know what I put in French fries in the Netherlands? Little man, mayonnaise. What? There's something like, oh, yeah, mayonnaise and yogurt.
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You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? A Royale with cheese. A Royale? Yeah. Yeah, man. Oh, you gotta love to Dutch. Yeah. I mean, we're we're definitely one of a kind people.
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I think we probably were. Like the Baaderkoe, is it the really Germanic?
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The ones that that were on that? We're gonna talk about it later because that's that's exactly where I wanna point out in this podcast with people. I'm from I'm from Leiden, you know, the Badgeroz that literally saved my hometown. Right, right. Oh, I'm basically from Germany,
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and took foot on on the Netherlands, not that long ago since I was born, basically. Mhmm. But, I have a lot of lot of things going with German, like tutorial walls, stuff like that in Hamburg. I gotta tell you a story about that too, you can find on YouTube. This is gonna be for for for, for the rest of the podcast, some some stuff that I want to fire on you. I love that. Okay. What kind of clothing you like to wear the most, Stijn?
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Just comfy clothing. You know, just give me give me a good baggy sweater and, and baggy sweatpants, sport pants. Like, that's especially, you know, it's well, I mean, that's, like, for in the winter. In the winter, just, you know, give me give me baggy. Give me and, you know, that's fine. But, in the in the summer, like spring, summer when it's sort of warm, like it's still the Netherlands, so, like, it's Yeah. It gets actually warm. Your ass off of August. Then, you know, like, I'm I'm still that that core kid, still a hardcore kid, so shorts and a tank top. Ah, yeah. Cool.
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Yeah. And some fans underneath. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Complete fans. Yeah. I used to be like a, like, black Converse, but now I've, like, kinda grown more into into vans, actually.
[00:33:33] Unknown:
I just love the look of the Converse, but they're so fucking uncomfortable. Even if you go to a rock and roll concert like I do, drinking whiskey, smoking every shit that I ever done in my life, when you are on Converse, like, how the hell do you make it to the day, you know? When people step on your foot, you're done. When people spill some beer, you got soaking wet socks. I mean And your shoes are ruined. The, the shoes are ruined, exactly. They, they look great, but but comfortable, none.
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None. I mean, they're they're the classic rock and roll shoes, of course, you know, and they they go with everything. But it's just indeed, because they're, you know, because they're canvas Yeah. There's there's no give. They're, like, appropriate only for when it's dry. If it gets a little cold, your feet are freezing. If it's a little wet I mean, that your feet are freezing too, but just because it's wet. Right? I mean, they're they're great, but they suck at the same time. It's good for photo shooting, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's yeah. For sure. You know, if you're doing a rock and roll photo shoot and you don't know, like, what kind of footwear you want, Just so basic black Converse, and you're good as.
[00:34:46] Unknown:
Exactly. Just like you said, I love the looks, I love the looks. So, if you want to sponsor me, you just hit the record button, or just want to write me a mail, and you listen to this podcast like, oh, fuck, you, no, no, no. Send them.
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Oh, yeah. For sure. I mean, like, you know, likewise. Fans, Culverters. Yeah. I I got my NHO too. With a pagan twist with some runes on it. Hey. It's the fucking $1,000,000
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thing that you gotta do. Culverters
[00:35:12] Unknown:
with the, the Mule Nair. That'd be awesome, though. Oh. That'd be really cool. Are we gonna give them too much ideas? If it's still broken, they gonna they gonna make some money out of it. Oh, shit. Like, well, you'll see. Like, they'll like, next season, they'll come out with with a shoe just like that, so we're like, well, we got something new. No. You stole that from us. Get us some freaking credits. Right. Good luck proving it. We're a $1,000,000,000
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company. Oh, we record this shit, and we're gonna put it out. We Oh. We got lawyers too. We're not gonna see who it is, but we got lawyers too. Oh, great, man. Steli, what's your favorite, holiday destination or vacation? Because in America and in England, you have 2 things, like a holiday and a vacation.
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Yeah. I've been fortunate enough to have traveled a lot already with my, my parents, so I've seen a lot of the world already. Just thinking back about all the places that I have been, I think the one that left the biggest impression on me is China. Just because, like once you even when you get to the airport, like you get out of the plane into the actual airport Right. There's such a stark difference. Like you're truly, truly, you know, in in a a different country, different world almost, you know, just the you still have your, you know, your big western brands here and there, preferably not, of course.
But there's there's no comparing east or west, and there is no place that makes it more obvious than China. But if there's such amazing parts of China, it was such a it was such a great trip. So, yeah, I think China has left the the biggest impression on me. It's beautiful out there. It is.
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And not not in the cities. It is something like completely diff different than the, western cities, but I think once you go out of the city, you're just like, wow.
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Wow. Once you go more to the the countryside, you know, like the the rice fields and all of that, or just the the smaller cities, it's it's really cool. It's really beautiful. And there it's such a it's such an old culture.
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Yeah.
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1000 of years of dynasties and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like, that's still visible, you know, in the games they play, you know, that the the way of of building things, the dishes that they they serve. Like, I don't know if it's like, it's funny you were talking about, like, Chinese food and how it's, you know, imported here. We don't eat we don't eat actual Chinese food. Like, we just get a, you know, freaking bakbami and baknasi and Bruh. From a Chinese person, but it's not Chinese food. No. I mean, like, there those are side dishes, you know. Like, you get a, like, this is a small small bowl and you fill that out with some rice or some nasi. But the actual main dishes are very well prepared, meats and very well prepared vegetables with a lot of spice. So warning for all the Westerners who want to travel to China, get some emoedium because you're gonna have the shits.
Oh,
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I had the shits too, but I think it was Ayahuasca.
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Oh, that that'll do. That'll do. That'll do. That'll do. That'll cleanse you.
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Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I got, 2, 4, 5, 6 more questions, but these are will be hard. Bring it on? All right. What's the definition of the devil?
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Sure, I don't have one. I don't believe in a personification of the devil. I do believe evil
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exists. That made.
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But not, you know, the devil. No. Not a rat puppet with the, With the horns and the pitchfork and the Yeah. Yeah. You know, the tail and whatever. No. I don't I don't believe in that. I do believe in evil. I mean gosh. You can't look around. You turn on the fucking TV. Just Exactly. You know, if you don't if you don't believe in evil, then, like, or what are you doing? I mean but actual personification of the devil? No. There is not not one entity or one semi divine being. Mhmm. Can you call it even divine? I don't know. But, nah.
I don't. So I don't I don't really have one.
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And what's your interpretation of, or definition of God?
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Which one?
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That's the best answer. That's the best answer. We got the old father, which is Odin for a lot of people. Yes, sir. And then you got a lot of divisions of other, like Christ, Buddha, whatever.
[00:40:57] Unknown:
You know, Buddha wasn't necessarily a God. No. Jesus wasn't God either. He was a prophet. Yeah. Exactly. Omen too. Yeah. Yeah. So they're not gods. I, I honor the old European gods, the old Germanic gods, Wotan, Donar, Tivas, Freya. But I do believe that the other, European pantheons that they do exist as well in one form or another.
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Okay. So so Hercules and and Zeus and
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yeah. Or, you know, even the, the Slavic pantheon, which is, very much like the Germanic pantheon. But I think it's an expression of the people and an expression of the land. Right. But I think in its its purest form, it is still polytheism or animism which basically, you know, comes down to the same thing. Animism is more like nature is divine and the new thing is nature. Mhmm. Polytheism is, like, kinda personifying its, I think we as a as a species, as as beings, we did that to to better understand them. You know, if we put a name to things, if we put a a face or a archetype to things, it helps us understand what is just so far above us.
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Nice one. What's your interpretation of value?
[00:42:57] Unknown:
Oh. You're asking all the right questions, man. Thanks. Well, you create your own value, value isn't anything materialist. I mean everyone can put a value on something. Doesn't mean it actually has value. So value is very much very much personal. It's it's what what you think is valuable is valuable. So yeah. Yeah. There is, I don't, a true definition, like a one word definition, I don't think I have one, but it's non physical, a very personal creator, you create your own value. Right.
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So last definition question, what's your interpretation or definition of success?
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Being able to do what you love.
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Love that one. Yeah. Okay. So we got last two questions. I know that the last 4 are just pain in the ass. That's fine. But, hey, that's okay, right? So what's your favorite quote?
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I got a few that I really like. Let's see. I think the Earth 3 that have stuck with me forever, Confucius. I believe that was Confucius. Size and symbols to rule this world, not rules or laws. Then from the original Crow movie, mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Especially, you know, with the the scene in the movie when that's that's being said. It's a a powerful statement. Mhmm. And I, one that I even I can't be received. I have it tattooed across my chest, All Shell Fade, which is in reference to the 3rd Lord of the Rings movie, Pippin's song in the the white city like near the the end of the movie during the final battle. Because that song has left such a impression on me. There's so much emotion and and pain in in that song but yet it is so so beautiful in its pain.
And you know it's also just a good reminder all shall fade. You know you can interpret it like, ah, so, like all shall fade. Okay, good. So shit's worthless. No, no, no, no. That makes it worth something because it will eventually fade. And also the bad things, you know, if you're going through a rough time in life, also, like, that too shall fade. Right. Eventually it will come to pass, you know. And also us, if you have a hard life,
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once there will be an end of it. Yeah, yeah, I mean. It's not in a depressive way, you know, it's just like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. It's like something beautiful, like, just like you said, if you're having a hard time, well, embrace it because good times come after. What do you say here in the Netherlands is like, behind the behind the clouds, the sun shines. Yeah. Although I have something, like, really fucked up that I just posted on TikTok. I don't know if you saw it. I don't think you saw it yet because I posted it yesterday. I swear to God, Stein, we were 1 hour before landing in Madrid.
Yeah. It was pitch dark in the fucking airplane. Not with the blinds, because the blinds were open. It was pitch dark. Makes no fucking sense at 2 o'clock PM. So for the Dutch guys, 2 pitch dark at 14:21 when they said we're gonna arrive within 10 minutes or 15 minutes. I don't know. Look at the video. There was the sun. Where the fuck was the sun like an hour ago? When I was flying more than, well, the sun comes up at 7:7. 8:9:7:11:12:13. So more than 6 hours in Western Hemisphere. Where the fuck was the sun? Yeah, there's something up with that. There's something going on. But, okay, that's me bragging about conspiracies.
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Yeah, no, I mean, you know, the shape of the earth and whatever, it's not a discussion that I like to get into, but I do believe it's not entirely what, what we've been told. What hurts? I mean, like, who knows for for all you know, it may be freaking donut shaped.
[00:48:34] Unknown:
Even if you know it, do you know it? Can you Exactly. Exactly. That's the whole thing that I'm so, and, and even if we got to prove it, like, okay, well, we're flying with the dildo shaped earth into the air to a butthole. I don't care, right? So what if we know that? What happens to your reality? You're still stuck on this flying dildo through the air. Yeah. I mean, that's- And the same problems are just every single fucking day. The same people are ruling. Yeah. They're not, their intentions are not good for you. What you're gonna do about it? Oh, we figured out to shave the earth. Well, fuck it.
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So cool. Good for you. Right? How does it improve your life? How does it make things, like, actually down here, how does it make make it any better? Oh, it's flat, it's round, it's it's donut, it's egg. It's it's hollow. It's whenever. Yeah. Okay. Cool. You know? It's it's it's funny to talk about those conspiracies. Like, oh, what are they hiding from us?
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You'll never know that's why you're hiding it. That's why I got a t shirt, whatever the fuck. They got it. Yeah. You can put it on everything, right? What's your gen, what's your, genre? Whatever the fuck. What's your political whatever the fuck. You can put it on everything. That's the question before you're drifting away from, from the subject that we can talk about because Sure. We're having a good time already, Stein. 2 2 squirrels skipping on the skipping on the branches. Last question will be, what's your life's motto? Oh, crap.
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Now I have to think of 1. I don't I don't really have a life's motto, actually. Not not a single one. I mean, just, yeah.
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No. It's more like a I think that's good in a in a way now that I think about it. Because if you have a life's motto, you are indoctrinating yourself with that kind of belief.
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Could be. Yes and no. It I think that's that too may be a, a double edged sword. You know, it for a lot of people having one particular motto, one thing that they can, you know, grab onto especially in, you know, in bad times, that really helps them. You know, it helps them pull themselves out of the slack, out of the mud, out of whatever you're you're finding yourself into. At the same time, there is definitely a danger that you're you're letting yourself be stuck in that model. So when things change, you're like, oh, no, this doesn't fight. With Graz doesn't feel right because this has always been my motto. But what I just saw, what I just learned, like completely goes against that. So now my whole motto is irrelevant, therefore making me irrelevant.
Identity crisis.
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Exactly that's what I meant. Like So it's
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it's good to have I think a value. I think that it'd be better. Like, not necessarily a motto, not not a fixed thing, but a a value, a characteristic, there to, like, hold on to that. And for that, for me, would be honor.
[00:52:28] Unknown:
Wow. Okay. We we just skipped through 14 questions. Now let's let's get into the subjects. Yes, sir. A lot of people do not know even, Christians, that are very populated in this world, that a lot of paganism is, find nowadays in our just in our normal daily lives. If you take a look at the the strong days, as I prefer to say, not the weak days or weak ads, I have strong ads. Sure. We got Sunday, which is based for the sun. We got Monday, the moon, a Tuesday tier or, yes, tier? Tier is yes. Tier. Yeah. Wodan is Odin, Thursday, Thor, Friya, Friday, and then we're going back to Saturn day.
Yes. So that that's one of the things that I wanna, touch based on. Weird. What is paganism?
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Paganism is polytheism. It is the belief in multiple gods or multiple divine entities. That's just very broadly speaking, so it's a very, usually more nature based religion. You know, you could say that, like even the African tribes are pagans. But they're African pagans because most of them believe in multiple gods or multiple deities or see nature as something divine or evil at times. So that's also very pagan. It's a very pagan mindset. But if you like take the literal definition of paganism, paredanes, people living outside the city, people living in, in or on the country, heathens, people of the heath.
Right. It's kinda it's it's used by Christians usually as a, a more derogatory term. Like, that, you know, you're freaking pagan heathen. I don't believe you're a pagan. You're a heathen. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I am. Yes. So What what else is new? Yeah. I'm a pagan. Yeah. I'm a heathen. Okay. I mean, if you look up the definition on, on Google or any any search engine, I don't recommend using Google. Like, it'll also say which I find very interesting, atheistic. That he a that a hidden is kind of or is is comparable or equal to a atheist, which is completely backwards. That's completely backwards. Atheism is believing that there is no God.
I believe, or no rather, that there are multiple. How I don't know.
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I think I I think I know the answer because they're not in the way that you're gonna say, oh, it's Jesus Christ. So not that's not a known god, so that's atheist because you can't prove it. Yeah. I mean Wait a minute. How do you prove your god then? And what's really fascinates me is, source? Right? It's, oh, but it's, it goes so deep. It goes so deep because, we we had a time ago, we had the the, the Pastafari. So they said, okay, we we we believe in the flying spaghetti monster.
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Which is a officially recognized religion.
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Yes. Which is another- Do you know why they did it? You know why the background, why they put it that up? That's a meme. Yeah, but they put it that up just to prove in court, like, oh, what you say is not true. You can't prove it. So that means that you can prove religion, which is again, one, of course, because you can believe, and I respect all the belief systems. But the funny thing is, I know a guy that knows a guy. Seems like New York. Right? I know a guy that knows a guy. But, he's working for the Vatican, and he's a translator of, of the Hebrew text.
So there's a lot. And he also translated the Bible. The word God does not exist in the first testament. No. When it comes to Hebrew. It references
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gods. The yes, gods. Melohim.
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Melohim, yes, which means multiple gods. Yeah. But then all of a sudden, the church thought like, oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. We got a, we got a very commercial thing going on, like a, you know, like a franchise. We don't want to boot that shit out. So what about, you know, king? Is there a king? Yeah. It's me. King James. Okay. Rewrite history, please.
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Yeah. No. That's that's that's one thing that I, you know, always keep bringing up wherever I can. The Elohim is indeed, it's a it's a pantheon. They are multiple gods and Yahweh was just one of them. It was a, it was a storm god. A storm god? Yeah, he was a storm god. So, yeah, no El, Elohim, the Elohim.
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What was your path, Stein, that you came across paganism that you thought by yourself like, oh, wow, this resonates or matches with me. I hate the word resonates, but matches with me. Like, oh, this this feels like something that that could be me or that could be something that I wanna know more about.
[00:58:55] Unknown:
Well, my, my parents were raised Catholic, Roman Catholics, and not even, like, the actual Catholic. They fell off their their faith. I mean, my my father is I don't want to say religious but he has every now and then when you know life becomes too much he'll go to a monastery, like a silence retreat for, like, a week, week and a half where he, where he can really come come to himself and just, you know, talks to or converse with the the divine. So he doesn't necessarily call himself religious, but he's still the most religious of all of us. Mhmm. So, so it's not necessary that I've been raised in church as many have, but always been kind of surrounded by, by religion.
And I I did try the whole, you know, Christian thing, of course, because it's the easiest accessible and it's the one you know most about, of course, because it's the one that is most accessible. You
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Oh, you're frozen?
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Yeah. There we go. Sorry about that. No props. No. But I I I couldn't, the the one thing that I couldn't get past was the whole believe or else.
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Right. Chop off with the head.
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Yeah. Or just, you know, like I was I'm my mind is like very chaotic anyway. There are a few things that I can hyperfixate on but other than that I'm spread like all over the freaking place. Just ask my wife. So, you know, you have to watch what you say, you have to watch what you do, you have to watch what you think. It becomes a full time job just doing that. Like, you're not able to live, like actually live because with everything it's like am I thinking the right thing? Am I saying the right thing? Am I doing the right thing? Is this not gonna, you know, send me to hell or whatever? So I just I couldn't I couldn't do that.
So I yeah. I just I let it go. It wasn't even that I, you know, fell off the faith or whatever. I just I never got into it. Then I like, I already knew about the, what the days of the week. Of course, you know, they're named after the, the Norse gods, most of the Norse Norse gods. I, like, I was a history buff. I really like history. You know, the Romans, the Vikings, all of that. You know, it's pretty cool, like European history. Big, tough guys. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't, like the true catalyst for me was actually history Vikings, like the the TV show Vikings, which is, you know, of course still Hollywood, so it's very, very grimy and all of that.
But it was the, the warrior spirit, and the honor culture that that, that I felt a connection with. Because I've always been very bad with injustice, whether it be, you know, injustice towards me or someone else, someone I love, someone I care about. I've always tried to fight that in one way or another. So that to see that there are, there are gods, there is a whole culture, whole system, if you will, that is based on that, that has that, you know, honor, truth, value as its its core. Mhmm. I was just like, yo. Yeah. This.
Like, what whatever whatever this is. Absolutely this. And And I I skipped the, the viking larp. Right. Yeah. I will. No. Like, with with a IKEA rug and a, like, a plastic plastic cord. Oh, I know you wouldn't. Right. Right. Right. Right. Oh, you're like, you know, good on them. You know those people. That's fine. LARP. Yeah. It's you know, you're halfway there. Let's say that. But I I skipped that whole phase and, like, dove head first into the, into the gods, into the culture. And, yeah, that was, I would say, early twenties. I think it was, like, 22, 23, so a good 10 years ago. Mhmm.
I was interested in it beforehand, but, so yeah. That's it. Like actually walking the path for 10 years. I've been interested in it for 12, 13 years, and it really has, has shaped my life since, and has given me a lot of, always have given me something to to fall fall back on. Always something to to hold on to. I love doing, doing rituals with my, my wife. We, we mostly do the, on the full moon or the new moon or with, the bigger holidays like Samhain, for example, which we we just had. So there's a little magic practice in that as well because the gods are not just divine beings. A lot of them were at least, Odin, Wotan, and Freya are very powerful magicians.
Mhmm. So magic is totally incorporated in shamanic paganism. Mhmm. That's given me a lot of strength. It's given me it's given me my my core value or strengthened it, I should say. Because I've always been about, honesty and justice. And now, you know, as I said, like seeing the whole belief system, whole lifestyle based armaments, it has only strengthened it for me.
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It's funny that you mentioned it because it gives me always some protection. They called me, I just basically went back down from Peru this week, this strong. And it was, I was walking around with the staff. I find a nice stick. I carved it with my initials in roots. Nice. And I travel with roots also, always. Yeah, saw those. So, and that's something that I wanted to dig into a little bit more, but, had to be very careful. I just bought something from a spiritual kind of webs web stuff with with some nice stones with with the roots in carved in it. And then I spoke to someone who said, oh, be careful.
First of all, know what you do. Because when you sell an entity, you better be aware who that entity is.
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And especially with Loki, he can fuck you up. Then Loki's a bastard.
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Yeah. Then she said to me, always, when you when you do runes, take it from a band branch from a bear from a fruit bearing tree, because it has to be life in it. Then carve your runes on it. What's your suggestion about that? Because I bought the book of runes. Of course. Yeah, of course. What to do with, it says also you have to, you know, light them down on fire. You have to water the elements and stuff like that. And I wanna do it 100%. Not like, oh, I do runes.
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I mean, that, that that kind of borders on the, the the dogmatic. Like, you know, there is there is one way to do it and that only that one way is the right way, which I mean, you you still see a lot in in paganism, of course, because so many, well, neo pagans are former Christians, so they still kinda take that dogmatic aspect with them. I think if you wanna do it properly, yeah, you can definitely, do it like that. A fruit bearing tree. I mean, good luck finding one in work in Europe. You know?
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Could be apple tree. Could be oh, in in Northern Europe. Yeah. That's gonna be all. In Nordic or Sweden, just like, oh,
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they're gonna be like, spruces. So I I do understand where she's coming from, but at the same time, you could say that, the oak is also kind of a a free tree, the spruce, you know, with the or with the, the the pine Yeah? Pine cones. I wouldn't say pineapples, but pine cones. Yeah. What's it called? Yeah. Datapels.
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Pinecoats. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean With an oak, you got the, a horns. The acorns
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style. Yes. Yeah. I mean, we got a lot of aichols.
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Oh,
[01:09:12] Unknown:
shoot. This was an inside joke. Yeah. No. But so you you could say, like, those are kind of the, the fruits of Northern Europe, you know, nuts and seeds and all of that because that's what we have here because of the colder climate. Right. So oak tree is very much Thor is very much donor. Strong, sturdy, you know Very powerful. Yeah. Doesn't budge. That's Thor. That is Right. 100% Thor. You could have the ash tree, the elm tree, the ash tree, being of course the ytrasil. Ash and elm, the first two, humans given life by Ogin created together with his 2, 2 brothers, Phineas and Vei. So fruit trees, yeah, but more so than that I'd say get proper Northern European trees.
So, the spruce, the oak, the ash, the elum.
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But they're bearing fruits, too. But we're not eating them, right?
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You, I mean, you can, but not all of them.
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Right. And you have to prepare them very careful, right? Yeah, you know, with,
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castanhas, bacoraches, that kind of stuff, chestnuts, whatever the other ones called in English. But there are only certain wines that you can eat, and some you can't even eat raw because they're, you know, highly poisonous. Right. Which is just nature's way of saying, like, don't eat me.
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Yet, we found a way. If you had them in the hospital, you're fucked. No, no, you just heard a lesson, don't eat me.
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Yeah. And still, we found a way to eat them. It's like Right. Don't eat me? Challenge accepted. Yes. So, I mean, fruit trees, actual fruit trees, you know? Yeah. Well, that's more southern Europe because that's, you know, it's warmer there. You got the olive trees, you got the, the orange trees. I guess apple trees? Apple trees are kinda Northern Europe. We have a lot of good apple trees here, apple orchards. Here? Especially in the poles? Yeah. Especially near where I live. I live in the, the flower bowl region, the the pole stake. So we have, like, good apple orchards here.
Gerries? Yeah. Gerritrees, yeah. Yeah.
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So how do you prepare yourself or how do you do a ritual? It's something like, oh, we got wishes because people are saying that. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. It's just like, if you go, if you go,
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when you wake up and you do your, your, your stuff that you always do, that's a ritual too, right? It's not like Your morning We're going to Your morning ritual, everybody, like even without thinking, calls it their morning ritual. You know? Right. You do this, then you do this, then you do this, then you do this. Then you can get your day started. And in that order, because if you mix up the order or mess up the order Shift on. Whatever, it's just like, I don't I skipped something or I had to Right. Had to cut it short and now I'm not not feeling it. Like, we literally call that our morning ritual.
Right. So, how do you do a ritual? However you think a ritual is done. You know, a ritual can be anything. It really can be anything. It usually, if you want to do like a proper ritual, like a more more of a, grand or grander ritual, you have to to offer something, for the the Norse Germanic gods, that's usually some sort of a, an alcoholic beverage, but something something strong like a whiskey or a mead or, you know, if you're doing it for, for a Thor, for Dodar, just, you know, good mug of beer, he'll appreciate that. Mhmm. And Will you bring it yourself or him?
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Will you give it to him and it will be ancient yet of the ritual?
[01:13:48] Unknown:
Well not physically emptied. I mean not always at least. It can happen of course, but it's more you're, you're offering the essence, is it? Right. Right. So what, what I did it with my, like my little Samhain ritual that I did for myself is I offered offered incense. Incense is always that's always a good offering. It's just you know it's, it's herbs. It's you know very natural, very aromatic. So you know, very basic. You can get it everywhere but it's still good. And a shot of whiskey, 1 for Voton and then I took a shot myself as well.
Right. That's just that's how I how I did it. But if you like really wanted to do like a proper ritual for, for Wotan, for Odin? Self sacrifice. So you have to, because that's what Odin is about. That's how he, came into possession of the runes and the knowledge and use of the magic of the runes, he had to sacrifice himself to himself.
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Right, losing his eyes, stuff like that? Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's how
[01:15:17] Unknown:
he became such a, a powerful magician, of course. He sacrificed so much of himself to gain that. And I'm not saying that if you, like, wanna properly worship Odin, you have to, like, pluck out your eye. Don't. Probably even Odin's gonna look at you like, dude, no. Why? Don't be stupid. Right. But you have to sacrifice something of yourself whether that be like a bad habit
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Or a sign Stop smoking. Or stop drinking
[01:15:56] Unknown:
beer maybe. Yeah, or just, yeah, or just minor, minor things like you'll improve something. Like, oh, I've been lacking in that. Well, you know, Wotan, Odin, if you help me, not if you give me, but if you help me, that or if you help me achieve that, I will improve this or I will stop doing that.
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Right. Love that. I really love that. So when it comes to, okay, the question will be, is is paganism a religion, or is the way of life with a belief system?
[01:16:42] Unknown:
I would say it is a way of life with a belief system at most, with a spiritual path. Right. But more so a way of life, a way of being. There are and there are, of course, you know, divine entities, divine, you know, gods and other entities attached to it. But it's not a it's not a religion as we as we know religions to be of the, 3, you know, major Abrahamic ones, of course. Right. We don't go to to the temple or in the shul or the church every every Sunday and we don't, you know, like say grace before we go to bed, doesn't that, then again that doesn't mean that if you want to do that, you can absolutely do that, you can absolutely prostrate yourself before the gods, you know, if you wanna do that before bed, before, you know, before every meal, go ahead. That's also the beautiful thing about paganism, there is no, like, right way of doing it. Right. Because we don't have a, we don't have a Bible. We don't have Exactly.
We don't have one text or one book or one prophet that says, this is how it should be done, then this, then this. If you were to do this, then that. If you do this, then this is the consequence. Right. We don't have that, you know? I mean, the, the closest thing would be the Havamal, the teachings of Odin, but still that's not like those are more guidelines. It's like how Odin feels that you should do things, but if you do it like that or, you know, you tweak it to, to your liking or how, you know, tweak it to the modern times because Isn't it some texts?
Those texts were of course written 100 of years ago, so Right. The exact practice a lot of things are illegal now, so you can practice exactly like our ancestors did. So, you know, even that.
[01:19:13] Unknown:
Oh illegal when it comes to offering and stuff like that?
[01:19:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of that or, you know like the whole honor system if someone, like if a man goes to love a man, a bitch, for example, you know, like an actual that's Kill him. That's it's yeah. That's degrading. That's an attack on his character. That's an attack on his honor and you should avenge it. If you do that now, you'll end up in jail.
[01:19:47] Unknown:
Yeah, but I think that, the real point of it is a good point. Like, don't be bitching around with a divine being as we all are. We are all light beings. Which really fascinates me with with the with the words is that it's something like, we talked about it before, about nowadays, where we're living in this kind of reality, all the churches, not all of them, but the first church has been stolen from the pagans. The altars
[01:20:25] Unknown:
were there from the pagans. Here in Europe, definitely. Yes. They were I mean, I'll I'll I'll give it to them. In that regard, they were very, very smart about it in in, like, a very, you know, sneaky bastard kinda kinda way. Right. Because I best example that I have is if you were a a outlaw, you know, in, like, actual heat and times being an outlaw literally meant you're outside the law. So whatever happens to you is valid, there is no punishment for it because you're outside the law. If you wanted to be protected, if you wanted to be safe, that is in the times that, like Christianity was already kind of taking over Europe, the only place you were safe as an outlaw was in the church.
So you have a choice. Be an outlaw. Literally outside the law, outside of society. If you're killed, you're killed. That's it. If you're robbed, you're robbed. That's it. It doesn't fucking matter. If you want to be safe, go to church. Find your church, go in there, and then, you know, you have divine protection because obviously your gods are not protecting you. Our gods will. Oh, shit. So it's very it's very clever, but it's a it's a bastard move. Yeah. But but also with Easter, it's paganism. Yeah. Christmas? Feast of fertility.
[01:22:16] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Christmas, our thing. Yeah. And a lot of people I know, you know, the funny thing, I have a lot of friends which are real Christians, and I love them. But I can't agree with them. Even if I point these things out, oh, no, it's because, no, no, no, no, no, no, you just screwed up the first line. It's like you are not the word as Milton Ocampo, which has a great podcast nowadays says, you are not the word, you are saying the word. That's the wrong thing. You should be the word.
[01:22:50] Unknown:
Put the Christ back in Christmas. There never was any Christ in Christmas.
[01:22:54] Unknown:
No. And it's only 2000 years old. So, but paganism, hedonism, what's the other one, Hinduism is 3, 4000 years older than the book that they've written in a Brahmic like, Jewish, Islam and Christianity. So it's a franchise formula for me. Oh, oh, no. Yeah. It is. And I mean, I I don't,
[01:23:27] Unknown:
I have learned a lot more about, about Christianity, about actual Christianity throughout the years especially, you know, hosting my own podcast. I get stuck with a lot of different people which I absolutely love. I've learned more in my, well I won't say, like 4 years of podcasting than I ever did in school. So I do see like the very basics of Christianity is just a very proper mystic, mystical school if you will. You know the teachings of Christ in its very core are not bad teachings. It's the church that is corrupt. It is the institution that is the church that is corrupt.
The, you know, and, but of course since, you know, the Church speaks for God, speaks for Christ, that corruption, you know, seeps deeper and deeper and, you know, like, it it goes to the top, takes the corruption dapper with them. So it's a proper mystical school. There are proper mystical teachings at its core, but it's very much the institution, it's very much the church that gets corrupted. But because of that they also, spread a corrupted kind of Christianity, a corrupted message, unfortunately. Yeah. Because I, a good good friend of mine, Soraya, she's a, she's a wonderful lady.
She is very much Christian but she acknowledges that there are other gods. She acknowledges that, you know, there is strength and beauty and power in paganism. But she is Christian, but still a very pure Christian. And, like, Will definitely or definitely has things to say about the other so called Christians. You know, she'll call them out when she sees it. Wow. Because she holds true to the, to the actual teachings, to the true teachings, the pure teachings, and she's one of very few actually. But because she still has that pure mindset, because she still holds true to the pure teachings, that's why I consider her a good friend.
[01:26:10] Unknown:
Right. Because she thinks she's not closing the door when she knows a little bit about Christianity or whatever. She opens up like, okay, what's more?
[01:26:20] Unknown:
Yeah. And just the fact that she, that she acknowledges my gods as well. It's like, you know, your your gods, yeah, they exist, sure. But they're not for me, you know? I'm I'm a Christian. I believe in, you know, the true one true God, her God and Jesus or whatever Mhmm. And she finds a lot of value in that. She is able to live a very good life through that. Right. So just by accepting that there are others and accepting the truth about actual Christianity and its corruption or whatever, it makes her already just so much better, such a better Christian than your average Christian.
[01:27:05] Unknown:
Right. And the funny thing is a lot of people do not know that, Jesus Christ, when you read the books, he was a really fascinating person because he didn't like any system. And he studied every single thing that was on that time on earth. Hinduism, Buddhism, he liked it everything. And then he said, oh, this is wrong. They banned him. Okay, fuck You know, he was a badass motherfucker, but he's not Christian. They they gotta connect that word Christianity to the bible, but that's not that's not what's happening. It's a very fascinating book about, it wasn't outlaw.
Because he was questioning so many things about systems. He was questioning the establishments.
[01:27:53] Unknown:
Yeah. And going against the establishments, but in a very mystical religious spiritual way. Yeah. You know he's called the lion of Judah. I mean lions they may be cats but they're no pussies.
[01:28:11] Unknown:
Yeah. But this is it's the best and the strongest cat there is. It's the king of the jungle.
[01:28:17] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:28:18] Unknown:
Some people will say no it's not. Well he is. He will fuck up every other cat
[01:28:23] Unknown:
no matter what kind of cat you bring on. Yeah. A liar will fuck you up. Exactly. And, I mean, another good friend of mine, Lodebeck, he is a very devout Catholic. He's he's still a he's still a good guy. He's, you know, he's young, so he's still, he's kinda, you know, trying to be edgy. But that's that's fine, you know. And he he believes in the the true warrior Christ, you know, the one who on the spot braids a whip to whip the merchants out of the temple. That Christ, the true Lion of Judah. So, yeah, he's Catholic, but he has that that warrior mentality. He has that aristocratic mentality.
So that's why I get along with him so well because we may believe in, you know, in different things, in different gods, different out the arms because Catholicism is basically, you know, let me copy your own work but, you know, okay sure but change it up so it doesn't look like you copied it. Mhmm. So it's it's it's different but still very much the same. So, we have the same mindsets, different gods, perhaps different sayings, spirits, whatever, but same,
[01:29:43] Unknown:
the same energy, the same Right. Like, he's he's a warrior, right? He's not like a pussy. He's just like, oh, now you're screwed. Now you, my belief system tells me now I'm going to smack your little ass.
[01:29:55] Unknown:
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right? These are slight boundaries.
[01:30:00] Unknown:
Yeah. For my principles and my value.
[01:30:03] Unknown:
He- And now you cross the line, motherfucker. That's it. Yeah. He believes we should be fighting. He believes that we, you know, that we should go to the gym. We should, you know, practice a form of martial arts because that's what Christ wants us to be. He wants us to be strong. He wants us to be that warrior like he was. And I'm like, yeah, dude. Do you get it? I mean, for me, that's that's Thor. For me, that's that's Photon, but, you know, same spirit, same same energy, same same warrior.
[01:30:37] Unknown:
I think it's a I I think that's a very nice one that, just just thinking about. Like, if if you're not prepared for so everyone listening to our podcast is is quite like fighting the system. You don't wanna be attached to the establishment, to the status quo, all that bullshit. You lead, call it whatever the fuck you want. So but if you do that, just like Christ, you have to stand up against it. That means you you could be beaten up. But if you prepared yourself by, you know, doing the survival stuff that you do or doing workouts or practice some some some, martial arts or whatever or or especially get some knowledge and some wisdom in your brain so you can, you know, meditate for hours, that's so powerful. Because if you wanna defeat the system, you have to defeat your own stupid, you know, picky yourself.
Yeah. Oh, oh, I beat the system. Let's see some Netflix. Uh-uh. I beat the system, let's get some Coca Cola and some pizza. Uh-uh.
[01:31:45] Unknown:
I mean, it's fine to, you know, the the system is is there. It's for for the time being, it's not going anywhere. That's why my belief is that, like, you can't defeat the system or, you know, you can't fix the system. The system isn't broken. It's designed that way. It's not a bug. It's a feature. So, like, my, my idea would really be like you have to create your own system within the system, or like really, just create your own system separately from it. So you can still live in society, but like, participate in the established system very minimally and preferably not.
So, you know, go back to the trade and barter system, for example. You know, the the old gods really coming back and making their presence known in Europe is already such a huge sign of that the system is failing. Because the church is the progenitor of the system slowly morphing into something else and, you know, we've become one and all being blocked, really. We're octopus, really. Octopus, hydra, multipliers, tentacles. Like, you know, the old gods are returning. People are seeing more and more or questioning more and more.
And if they're, you know, not seeing it or not questioning it, at the very least, so many more people are just kinda looking around, you know, seeing what else is there and then eventually they're like, okay, like I'm seeing things that don't add up. Mhmm. And, you know, like 9 to 11 was a huge thing for that for, you know, our generation, my generation. I believe you're you're a bit older. We you know, COVID was another one of those. Yeah. It was a very, very dark period. A lot of shit happened and we're still dealing with a lot of it. But also for so many people, and so many people that I've spoken to on on my show, like, that's when they they started seeing things. That's when they woke up, if you will, because they were like, hold up.
This doesn't add up. This, this isn't, this isn't right. This isn't the way to do things. Mhmm. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that? And there you go. Then the whole thing. And then you fall into the rabbit hole and you start discovering things. And You're not gonna crawl out. You're not you're not gonna crawl out. No, no. If anything, you're gonna fall down more and more rabbit holes. Right. Because if there is one, there are at least 3 others attached to it. Right. What's your favorite one? Oh, you know what? I am such a, a big fan of the, Tartaria mudflood
[01:35:15] Unknown:
Rav's Horn. Ask you that. I swear to God. I just wanted to ask you that.
[01:35:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I just there is there is something about that. You know? Cymatics, the the power of sound and vibration, star cities,
[01:35:32] Unknown:
Butt plug.
[01:35:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Just, you know, cities underneath the city. Like, you start digging it and you're like holy shit there's a whole other story of this building below ground. Yeah. So a 2 story building is now become a 3 story building just because it's been buried in what 3, 4 feet of dirt. You saw the podcast with Joe Rogan, with, Randall Carson and,
[01:35:57] Unknown:
ah, fuck. Randall Carson and Graham Hancock. I think they did 2 episodes, but it's, did they go about charismatic big events on earth that could be in 24 hours or 48 hours? But what happens is when you are archeologist and you're gonna dig dig deep, like like, say, I don't know what what what it is, but like 15 feet or whatever. You say, oh, that's that's the bronze. Oh, that's to this area. That's that area. But the deeper you go, there's one area that they say no go. No go. If you say that as an archaeologist, you you will be into the loony bag. You you're fucked up. Why is that? Maybe we can find a new iPhone from 3000 years ago. I'm not saying that we do. That'll be huge. You know, because you got staple of, staple, staple of layers that you see all rocks, you know, you see all these layers. What's down there?
What's I really like to look at the, that's impossible channel. Shout out to, James LeFur, which has like crazy things happening on Earth, but also like several topics, you know, about UFOs, aliens, whatever the fuck. Mhmm. It's so fucking fascinating to me. It is.
[01:37:21] Unknown:
And and the thing is in, in paganism, in Buddhism, in Hinduism, our timeline is cyclical. Mhmm. So it happens over and over and over again. Yes. And that's that's why we also find artifacts that look so incredibly familiar, but we find them like 30 meters underground. Right. They're like, but that means it was like so many 1000 of years ago. That doesn't add up. Like, they didn't have that back then. Oh, but they did. They did. We are not the most technologically advanced that we have been.
[01:38:07] Unknown:
Oh, no. No. We are the real, Neanderthalates. Neonotidus, like the real stupid monkey people, if you believe in Darwin kind of shit. But if you believe in maybe a little bit more advanced.
[01:38:22] Unknown:
Maybe. We we are advanced, but we are not in in the history of civilization, you know, let's say, like Hyperborea, Atlantis, like, all of that, let's say, you know, those cycles of civilization.
[01:38:39] Unknown:
Right.
[01:38:41] Unknown:
We are I mean, yeah, I guess you could say that compared to them, we're cavemen. Yes. We're we're we're as good as cavemen. I think like, we we think that, you know, the Internet and our computers and freaking smartphones or whatever are so advanced, and now we have AI and all of that. Yeah. You know, for us that may be advanced, but it's we're not peaking. We're nowhere, nowhere near. And that is also because we're still so focused on the material. So focused on materialism, and that's another reason why I so love the, charterer mudfluff, the eureka that also goes into, into cymatics.
The study of sound and sound waves and sound patterns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you look at one of my favorite example, like the big rose church, windows in in church that you see at the, you know, on the front with, just a beautiful stained glass windows. Afterdrawals and stuff like that. Yeah. Odd. I mean, just the the art in in church, like the stained glass windows, closing loads, that's so beautiful. The art is absolutely amazing. But they were not, that's that's my belief or part of my belief at least. First of all, they were not built.
Like, per perhaps we already we already had those. Perhaps they were already there. You know? There are people who say that, you know, if something is filed in 18 whatever you know it means that we filed it in that year. It's not like it was filed it like then we started doing that. It was like we filed it in that year. We're not sure about that But churches were healing centers through the power of Psychedelics like you have a big brass organ like actual brass were copper, and then the just a huge rose window with a cymatic pattern which amplifies it.
And that's I mean, I I do imagine when you're feeling that it feels like a you know, a religious experience, like you are being lifted up. Sure. I can definitely imagine that and then over the years it got perhaps bastardized or you know covered with like, oh that's God, oh that's Jesus, oh that's the the Holy Spirit. The source, as I prefer to say. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's funny but like you still have that trifecta, you know? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. The spirits still, still free. But, you know, the pagans are wrong for using that, but yet you can sweat. Oh, centuries.
[01:41:39] Unknown:
Centuries. I think that really, important to to call out, this Nick, Randall Carlson, because he said, what if we think like, okay, we begot the, if we have to believe the system, the mid ages, like the medieval, the dark ages. And since then, we developed a little bit more and more and more. We got horse and buggy. Then we have, in the late 1800, we have the Industrial Revolution. And now we have iPhones. We can connect to each other on on on screen. We can listen to each other. We think we're advancing 150 years.
He said, but what if there's a civilization long way before us that they felt that more than 500 years or more than 1000 years? What would they have? You know? That's so fascinating to me. Like, yeah. Yeah.
[01:42:38] Unknown:
I wouldn't know them. I mean, well, it's it's, you know, even like the, what we consider to be the ancient Egyptians, Shiloh Tyme and Cleopatra, and and you know those days of ancient Egypt. They already had people studying ancient Egypt. Right. Right. Because the like the pyramids, that's a fun fact that always blows everybody's mind. Cleopatra or, you know, the Cleopatra that that we know because, she wasn't the first of course that's, you know, like of the royal houses everyone like it's Cleopatra in the first and the second. But the Cleopatra that we know, instead of pop culture Cleopatra, lived closer to the invention of the iPhone than the building of the Great Pyramids.
Wow. So the Great Pyramids to Cleopatra, what we consider to be ancient Egypt, an ancient Egyptian queen, to her was already ancient Egypt.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Wow. Can you imagine that, that you have a heritage as a queen or pharaoh, whatever? And you wake up and you see this building just like, holy shit. Yeah. Who made that? Oh, this is like 1000 of years old or 100 of years that we don't know.
[01:44:10] Unknown:
Yeah. So shit. I mean, so to her and, you know, the the, the Roman emperors associated with her, that was already thousands of years old, and they already had people studying it. Wow. That's that's that's a crazy it's a crazy fantasy. That is yeah. It's so incredibly awesome. And it's not it's not even, like, that big of a difference. I believe it's a a a couple couple decades or a couple 100 years, but still, you know, the iPhone and Cleopatra in, you know, the timeline, yeah, line, it's not a lie but it's a circle, whatever. Yeah. The timeline of history are closer to each other than Cleopatra is to the great pyramids.
Wow. Which is also really fascinating is if we're talking to my audience like the Americans,
[01:45:09] Unknown:
they don't have really something to hold on from history. It's not that old, it's like 4 50 years old, stuff like that. Dutch people went to New York and found it, Peter Stuyvesant. Yeah.
[01:45:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Columbus was I think there was he was in India, but he called them the Indians. But he wasn't in India. He was There was already culture there. I mean, like, even for sure. Even my even my people, you know, the the Vikings, let's say, they were in Canada, Newfoundland, I believe, like, 500 years or so before Columbus. Yeah. And there were already, like, kind of Viking artifacts in America before the first European settlers actually came there before Columbus was there? You know, us Northern Europeans were like, oh, yeah,
[01:46:00] Unknown:
been there. Right. And let's say, because, of course, we have the indigenous American people, which we call Indians now, which is a stupid word because they're not Indians, but the indigenous tribes. Even they have their stories about the people- 100%.
[01:46:15] Unknown:
About the people who were there before them. 100%.
[01:46:19] Unknown:
And if you look at, South America, that's like, I was there in Peru. That, the Aztecs, the Incas, that's like, wow, these are civilizations. You don't fuck around with them, and they're so big. They found an article of someone who traveled down the Amazon. And he found, I think it's like 60, 70 years ago. He made a, what's it? Like a book. Wrote down what he saw and stuff like that. And they passed by civilization of more than 2,000,000 people in the middle of the Amazon forest, right? So, he wrote that down. He was a traveler. And eventually, 40 or 50 years later, they found his book. And they thought like, okay, maybe it's interesting. We're going to find that one. So, they took his book, his, what's it, his diary or what's it called? So, they traveled down the Amazon. Nothing.
Nothing. Even with the spots that he pointed out, they found the spots, but they couldn't find any civilization. But now, I think it was like 10 years ago, they have new advanced technologies where they can fly over the Amazon with some laser stuff. They found the city, which could host more than 2,000,000 people. So Yeah. 50 to 60 years ago, you could find a fucking city, but now the Amazon has been taking over it. I was there in Peru. If you build a house, which you normally do of wood, right, you do it with wood or with with these, these roofs, these easy roofs. Yeah, or mud. For 4, 5 years, the juggler's gonna take it over. Yeah. You're not gonna have a house.
It's like, wow. Can you imagine what it does in 10, 15, 20, 30 years? Yeah. And like, you know, speaking of weird timelines,
[01:48:17] Unknown:
Oxford University in the United Kingdom is older than the Aztec Empire. What? Yeah. I believe it was Oxford University or one of the major universities. I believe it was Oxford. Wow. It's older than the Aztec empire. Well, and and They should be asking you messed up timelines.
[01:48:38] Unknown:
Yes. And a lot of people would have wanted to say about America, not not to be not to be offended or stuff like that. But if you come to Europe, and here nearby this cologne, there's a dome, the cathedral. Damn. When you see that kind of structure, you think like, holy shit. Well, really holy shit. You know? That literally that we got some cathedrals in Danbosch. I think we got one in Mesnilnicht. These are buildings like you feel that you're not alone. You feel that you are really connected to these swords. Let's call it these swords. Yeah. What I really love to do always, Stine, is when somebody says, oh my god, I ask him always, who is your god?
Which one?
[01:49:23] Unknown:
Yeah. No. It's yeah. Cathedrals are they're beautiful. I mean I I can absolutely admire the the architecture and and the arts and all of that. You know I'm not I'm not that kind of a heat and like I'm not a I mean, that's that's also kind of my problem with the, a lot of the neo pagans. Now we are, like, fairly new to the path. They're not necessarily pagan as they are just antichrist. Right. Because, like, the church hurt them or, you know, the the, you know, their religious group or whatever, like, they it it hurt them in some way, and they're like, oh, you know, fuck Christ, fuck this, fuck that. You know, I'm gonna be a pagan from now on. It's like No. No. Then then you're just doing it to, you know, like, give a give a big middle finger to Christianity. That's not what paganism is about, bro.
[01:50:26] Unknown:
For me, if I connect to nature and I walk in nature barefoot with my staff, with my, you know, I walk water, wear the skirt, like, things that I'm doing myself, look like a, I don't know, like a wizard maybe for some people, or like a wanderer. That's okay. But when I do that, I connect to nature. That's my true being. I can see on nature what's, you know, is gonna be autumn right now. Winter is coming, all that stuff, so we have to be prepared. I really can't smile when I see a butterfly coming up or or when I see some cows or whatever, you know. And connecting to nature for me, being in nature is the spirit of God.
The creator. Yeah. And- And is. Yes. And it is always will be and always will be. And for me, that's like, paganism is for me, like having a good time with friends, maybe drink a beer, make a bonfire, having great time. When you have the solstice, we have a barbecue that's offer fast. Yoda, have a good feast, have a good time. Maybe some of the drugs.
[01:51:37] Unknown:
It depends on, depends. No, I mean, you know, as long as as long as you keep it, you know, you keep it nice, you keep it clean, you keep it simple. 100%. Respect other beings. Exactly.
[01:51:48] Unknown:
It doesn't matter where you're from, as long as you got respect back, fine. Exactly. If you go into my values or you skip them or you fuck off my belief system in my, intentions or my, my, yeah, my values don't cross that way.
[01:52:08] Unknown:
No, exactly. And that's such a core value of at least Northern European paganism, Germanic wars. It's respect, respect nature, respect your fellow be your fellow beings, you know, not even fellow humans but fellow beings. Mhmm. Because you know, animals are still so incredibly important. I mean I got 2 cats and I mean, I I I love them to death both of them. But if they cross a line, if someone crosses a line, let them know they crossed that line and make sure that they don't do it again.
[01:52:50] Unknown:
Right.
[01:52:51] Unknown:
So, like, it's not the, that's the pacified Christ. No. Not not not the passion of Christ, but the pacified Christ. Right. Right. Like, to Warrior. The other cheek wise, so he can slap that one as well. No. Right. If he slacks 549. 242. Well, I yeah. But in in equal in equal measure. Right. Right. You know, like, if you if you punch me in the face, you're gonna you're gonna get punched back. I'm like
[01:53:22] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not like, oh my god doesn't allow that. What? Simple as that. You know? Like,
[01:53:29] Unknown:
violence begets violence. Yeah. Sure. But, you know Yeah. If someone slaps me in the face, I'm like, I'm just gonna be, peace be upon you. No. Fuck off if you slap. I'm I'm gonna punch you right back. Yeah.
[01:53:42] Unknown:
What's that, what's one of the of the most, beautiful things about paganism in your opinion?
[01:54:01] Unknown:
The the strength that you can gain from it just internal fortitude internal strength because our our gods our forefathers our ancestors, they are these incredibly strong people, incredibly strong gods. I mean, like, hell, Northern Europe, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Germany, it's hard living here. Especially Oh, yeah. In, like, autumn, winter. It's hard living, so you gotta be you gotta be strong. You gotta be Yeah. If you have no shelter or you're gonna die. It's it's easy peasy. Yeah. You don't have to No shelter, no no warmth, you're gonna die. Yeah. You're gonna yeah. You're gonna freeze to death because nature nature doesn't give a shit. No. You know? It's like you take care of yourself because if you don't I mean, sorry. Tough luck.
So, you know, you don't have a shelter? You don't have a fire? Well, better find a way to keep warm because I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it for you. Like, it's cold. It's gotta be cold. Prepare. So, yeah, just the the strength and the the the yeah, the the fortitude that I I myself have managed to to gain from it. Like, I I definitely wouldn't wouldn't be as strong or as resilient as I am now if I hadn't found the gods, if I hadn't found the ways of our ancestors. I would absolutely still be, not necessarily be lost, but still be seeking, still be searching, trying to hold on to something that, you know, gives me that stability, that can provide me with that strength.
[01:55:55] Unknown:
It's funny that you say it because, one of the things I say to my Christian friends is, I walk around in nature, I show you God. My God, my gods, I can show you them, fertility, fire, or like thunder and storms and stuff like that. Odin, the old father that keeps an eye on it. If you walk in nature, I can show you my God. The God that you have, which is a beautiful one, is not God. The pure one. Yeah. Yeah. So so so you you you you you you're talking to the wrong thing. So the and the funny thing is I have, I I think this is podcast 79 or 80. I lost count. But, a lot of people doesn't don't don't matter where they're from, what they believe.
They all have the same thing. Like, God, for me, is like the source, like, like, the divine being, the creator. It's all the same. It's all the same. I think, from my perspective, it will there's a source, like the ethernet, right? So what we're talking about right now, it's only information you can get your data on. Yeah. You got the old father. For me, it's the old father. It's not like one father that can kick your ass, only with multiple. It's like your brother, your sister, or whatever, they can put you to the spot, you know? Yeah, I mean,
[01:57:25] Unknown:
our gods are divine family, if you will. They'll take care of you, but, you know, you also have to take care of them, you have to take care of yourselves, and if you cross the line, you're gonna get smacked. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And they they don't hold back, you know? They're not gonna just take your hands and be like come on Charles, you know, walk walk this way, come on, come on, no, it's like just fucking walk and if you, you know, stray off the path we're gonna try and and nudge you back onto it But if you refuse, if you're gonna, like, walk the wrong path or next to the path or just get lost in the woods, good luck. You know? Right. You're on your own. We tried.
Yeah. Success. If you manage to come back somehow, we'll be here, but you clearly don't want to listen. You have your own ideas. You think you know better than us. Good luck. See if you do.
[01:58:27] Unknown:
Right. There there are a lot of people thinking like, oh, the vikings, these are pagans. And I think they're not. I think vikings were like, a period of time that they were doing this thing, like the viking thing. But before that, there were pagans, you know, living, people living across the land and having, some animals, and, you know, living off nature.
[01:58:51] Unknown:
Very, very often, but that's, you know, thanks to pop culture, of course. Vikings are pagans. Pagans are Vikings. Yeah. They're they're one and the same. While actually most of the the golden age of Vikingry was when Christianity, already had a major foothold in Europe. So, yeah, they probably were pagan. They probably were still, you know, heathens living on the land of the lands, no polytheistic, but not not all of them. One of them.
[01:59:33] Unknown:
The big the biggest group of pagans lived in, Estonia. I didn't know that too. I I have to figure it out. Maybe I'm wrong because it's Google. And They were really the ropes tried to fight them, but they they lost every single battle. Yeah. No. Yeah.
[01:59:48] Unknown:
Estonia, they were, the very last ones to, to be converted. And I believe there was probably was it, like, the 1300, late 1200, early 1300? So, like, well into or, like, even at the end of what we know to be the, the middle ages, the dark ages, they held on for a good, good, loyal time. Latvia, Estonia, those, like, those countries, they are and they still have that, very strong folk religion. Like, it it has always been strong. Right. And just so incredibly beautiful.
[02:00:39] Unknown:
I think there are a lot of people if they have to choose, like if you can choose religion, that they go into that lifestyle. Right? A lot of people from cities in here in the Netherlands, but I think especially Europe, oh, I just wanna have my own crop. I wanna do my own vegetables and stuff like that. Well, that's paganism. Be careful. That's paganism. But there it is they ask such a bad word to it. Yeah. You know, there there's so many
[02:01:05] Unknown:
yeah. And it's it's I mean, it goes both both ways because, you know, Christianity, of course, like, it got a foothold first in the major cities because, you know, everyone acts together hardly any, like, real nature to speak of. So you were already kind of removed from your guts you know, the mayor and all the wealthy people were, of course, in the cities. And if they have the backing of the church, hey, you know, that's power. We like power. Right. But you know the people living on the land, living on the land, off the land, you know they were still like literally close to our gods, close to the land spirits, you know, the Fae, the, you know, whatever entities may be out there, they were still among them.
So they were the last ones to either give up or convert. And that's why I love the, like the last part of the story of King Radbat from Phreesia. You know, when he got the choice, convert or die, literally. You know, it's like, okay, so if I convert, will I see my ancestors again? Will I be with my family again that you have so bloody freaking slaughtered? No, you will not because they are in hell. If you convert and you die, you will be in heaven with people like us, you know, the good kind.
[02:02:49] Unknown:
Arabs, Arabs, yeah, yeah.
[02:02:53] Unknown:
And then he basically said, you know what? Then I would rather be in hell with my family and my ancestors than in heaven with bastards like you. Oh, sure. Day, every day a sloth. I'd rather be dead than a slave. Wow. And they didn't take that too kindly.
[02:03:15] Unknown:
Hell to Odin.
[02:03:18] Unknown:
Yeah. And I think, like, that is such a powerful statement. And that's, you know, that's why his his story lives on till till this day. It is the stories through which we know our gods, through which we know our heroes.
[02:03:36] Unknown:
Right. Do you think that paganism is nowadays a growing new kind of
[02:03:45] Unknown:
way of life? There is a pagan revival happening. Absolutely. You you see that more and more because people are getting very disillusioned with the system, very disillusioned with the Church. You know, the major religions, at least, you know, here in Europe and kinda America since they, used to be Europeans. We gave them freedom. Look what they did. Never should have given them that, that freedom. Yeah. That's true. Or they fucked it up. Oh, for sure. Big times. Big times. Yeah. Without any lube. No lube. No. Just fucked it
[02:04:35] Unknown:
up. Oh, no. You're just hanging again.
[02:04:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I just know. Yeah. Just, you know, bite the pillow, I'm going and trying. But, yeah, I think because of the dissolution and everything that is happening in the world, so, like, so many changes and bad changes because, you know, there was already a system in place. Now a newer, even worse system is trying to be implemented. And, you know, like, what's what's the one thing that is always there? Who are the ones that are always there? Our ancestors and our gods. They are the ones that we can always fall back on because they will always be there.
And whether you think that, you know, the gods are our ancestors or that they are gods and our ancestors are separate from each other, it doesn't matter. They will always be there for us. They will always help us and be there for us when we need them. And I think, I do believe that more and more people are seeing that, are realizing that, and are seeing that the system isn't reliable. And that, you know, there Yeah, the system works, but for the people who either created a system Mhmm. Or the people who sold out to that system. But then, you know, you gotta have some real skeletons in your closets, some real Oh yeah. Some real dirt. And that's the only way that you can make it. So you have to, I mean that's why they say, you know, sell your soul, not literally selling your soul, but selling your core values, selling your honor, you know, to become rich, become famous.
Materialistic stuff. Yeah. You know, the things that are- False idols. Yeah. Things that are perhaps great to have in this life. It makes life a lot easier if you have, you know, a big house, couple meal, couple meal in the bank. It makes life more comfortable. Mhmm. Not necessarily easier, but definitely more comfortable. But you're not gonna take it with you. Like, wherever you think you're going in, you know, after you die. I mean, the Egyptians tried it and then, you know, they got robbed of it, unfortunately. Right.
So, yeah, material gains, cool. Only useful as long as you're still living, which is why the, the old Rockefeller had 6 heart transplants.
[02:07:35] Unknown:
Oh, shit. Yeah.
[02:07:37] Unknown:
None of them killed him? No, unfortunately. I mean, he did eventually die a, a few years ago at the ripe old age of 101.
[02:07:49] Unknown:
Wow.
[02:07:51] Unknown:
But yeah, 6 heart transplants.
[02:07:56] Unknown:
Diane, we we have a great conversation already. 2 hours in, we we can deep dive into some of these topics. We could, but we I think that would be good to do a part 2, 3, or whatever. Yes. Where do people can find you?
[02:08:13] Unknown:
You can find everything that we do with the Greyhorn Pagans, the Greyhorn Pagans Podcast, The Growth of Odin, on our website, www.greyhornpagans. Com. We we we that's Greyhorn Pagans. Mhmm. All the the links are all there to the to the podcast, to our main main group, to whatever else our our members, our core members love going on, because, you know, connecting the tribes, connecting the communities, connecting the people with each other, you know, So, yeah, just go to our website. Everything is on there, including a contact form because I know there are people who, who have questions or that there are things on the website that they, you know, that they don't see but do want to know. Right. Send us an email through the contact form on our website.
Goes to my inbox directly. I'll answer as soon as I can. And if you need more answers, join our group. You know, join our group on our Telegram. Follow me on, on Twitter or Minds or whatever. Everything is right on the website. We will be happy to to help. We'll be happy to answer questions that you have, help finding your find your path, finding your answers in in life, whatever it may be. So ww.queryhorpecans.com for everything.
[02:09:43] Unknown:
Right. Stan, thank you, fellow human, for your time and your energy to put this episode out. Hail to Odin for my time. Right?
[02:09:55] Unknown:
For sure. For sure. Thank you for having me, man. It's been, it's been great. I mean, 2 2 hours, 2 plus hours, and we have so much more.
[02:10:04] Unknown:
Oh, yes. And we will, we will. Because I just went back from Peru. I didn't have a holiday for more than 4 years. I went 2 weeks just like off grid, in the jungle, doing some ceremonies and stuff like that. And, found myself the warrior again, so I'm ready to rumble again. And there definitely will be more of this kind of stuff, because it's not only fascinating me, it's my kind of life too. And, yeah, it fascinates me. It interests me. We just have a basically a great time. So that that's that's also what what would counts. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. And there there are so many rabbit holes that we touched on, but haven't gone
[02:10:46] Unknown:
into Yeah. Yet. Lea, we can, I mean, we can sit here all day Oh, for sure? All night, probably even. Just, you know, get some snacks and get some drinks, and we'll do this all night.
[02:10:57] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're gonna do that we're gonna do that later. For all the listeners, I hope you really enjoyed this episode. And no matter where you are on this beautiful plain earth, have a good day, a good morning, or a beautiful night. Bye bye. Ciao ciao.
[02:11:20] Unknown:
Chau. Motherfucker.
[02:11:55] Unknown:
Dreams. He's a plane in the ass. Black as a night, god showed me light. He's a plane in the ass. Black
Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby.
[00:00:04] Unknown:
What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the lore.
[00:00:30] Unknown:
Welcome fellow human to the disorganized productions podcast. The show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode, we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you. Tap into your limitless potential and conquer life's challenges. Hey there, fellow human. I just wanna give you a quick update about my Peru adventure. It's, Saturday now, when I am recording, the episode I am gonna release within a few seconds for you. But I just wanna briefly, touch base on what I did in Peru.
So I went with the Shipiba Inca indigenous Indians, and we had some ceremonies with Ayahuasca, some ceremonies with the or one ceremony with, San Pedro and 2 with Campbell, the frog. Yeah. In one word, fantastic. In one sentence, you had to be there. It was quite a journey and, to be honest with you, I wanted to do podcast in the middle of the jungle, but my laptop, wasn't powered up. There's no power in the middle of the jungle. How how could you imagine that? But there's no power, not for all devices that have to be, reloaded such as normal batteries, power banks and telephones, but, it's very, very normal not to have power when the sun doesn't shine. It's called the rainforest.
So, what do you think you can expect? Well, sunshine and rain and we had quite some rain and to be honest with you, I, when I'm looking back, I'm really grateful, and happy that I didn't do any podcasting. And I'm gonna tell you why.
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If you do such a trip as I did in the middle of a jungle
[00:02:58] Unknown:
with, the indigenous people and do some ceremonies, there's no time for digital shit. It really takes you out and off the process, and that would that would harm me as a person with my inner journey that I, spend with and that I did in the jungle, to, to get rid of all the stupid stuff that's been put out in the Western world. Wi Fi, people are talking, shattering, shattering, blah blah blah, all over the fucking place. Yeah. Telephones. I I did use my telephone once in a while to record something and, most of the time recording or better said, taking a picture of the environment and the stuff that we see, like beautiful butterflies, birds, the the rainforest itself, the jungle, it's like amazing.
Too much talk to do that Maybe it's gonna pop up in some of my podcasts. Maybe I'm going to, edit some stuff together, but to be honest with you, when I arrived on Wednesday night, it was like in the middle of the night back home, on Thursday I had to work, and on Friday I had to work, on Friday evening I did some other stuff, family stuff, and today is Saturday. Recording or just recorded a episode, editing all the stuff, so I don't have the time or didn't took the time and didn't had the time to, yeah, to deep down to dig deep down into my system and, do some meditating and stuff like that. So, after this record or recording, I will, post it, of course, and then I will have gonna I will have my rest for maybe 12 hours.
So, if you want to know more, please hit me up with, disorder [email protected]. If you still want to sponsor this show, please do find all the links attached in my link tree down in the show description. And for all the people that sponsored me throughout my journey to Peru and did other stuff. You know who you are in the jungle, baby. You know who you are, beautiful fellow human. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, to make this beautiful adventure possible, and to, well, adventure possible and to, well, basically to to, get my show to 2.0.
So, we're scaling up. More guests are to come. Beautiful things are to going, to, are going to, be followed out the end of this year, and the beginning of 2025. I'm really excited about that. And for now, without any further ado, fellow human, enjoy the show.
[00:06:05] Unknown:
Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human, welcome to another episode of disorganized productions. Today, we have a very special guest. His name is Stein Fokas, and, he is the chart of the Greyhornpagans.com. We're gonna talk about paganism, mystics, esoteric, all that kind of stuff that really fascinates and interest me and hopefully you also. So please, a warm welcome for Steyn.
[00:06:41] Unknown:
Stay welcome to disorganized productions. Yeah. Thanks, Bill. Thanks for the invitation.
[00:06:46] Unknown:
Yeah. We we scheduled very fast. That was really awesome. We I talked to Yost, which is a friend of mine. I did 3 podcasts with him. He said, yeah. Just catch him up with the with that because you have a podcast on the 11th January. If I'm
[00:07:02] Unknown:
I, I I put it a bit forward in the, in the schedule, so it actually releases by the end of this month, by the end of November. Wow. I thought, you know, since he's, like, coming out with his book and everything and he also kinda wants to use it as as promo material. You know, it'd be nice if it's actually, like, out when his book is out.
[00:07:29] Unknown:
Right. Please introduce yourself to the audience, Stijn.
[00:07:33] Unknown:
With pleasure. Yeah. My name is Stein. I go by Stein Fox on the interwebs, because I used to be a edgy, what is it, edgy conspiracy theorist. Oh, way way too way too obsessed with Anonymous and the whole hackers thing and whatever. Not them ever, was ever that good with computers, but hey, you know, yeah. Hello, cat. Come here. Yeah. It's Mike. Oh, look at that. My kids are the host. His name?
[00:08:07] Unknown:
Timmy. Timmy. Because rat cats are always, male, right? Most of them.
[00:08:15] Unknown:
Most of them. Yeah. I believe so. Yeah. It's hard to interrupt. He's my, my my kiddie cohost. Uh-huh. When I was late here. Well, I mean, he's he's bad enough with 4 limbs a little late. Now, but every time I do a show, whether it's as a, as a guest or a host, he has to be there. So, yeah, Host of the Greyhorn Pagans podcast, Jarl of the Tribe of the Greyhorn Pagans. So head of the the tribe of the Greyhorn Pagans, a tribe that I, that I found together with my wife after just years years of being in other groups and trying and, just not not getting there. Not not getting the, the teachings that I wanted to, not getting the connections that I wanted to, or, you know, people getting really, really up in their ego, you know, which is very much not what paganism is about.
You know, it's very much a or you know, at least Northern European, Germanic, paganism is very much a honor culture. So if you're gonna, you know, break your own rules and, yeah, just be all ego, then you're, you know, you can't really call yourself a pagan. And I got so sick and tired of all that all that nonsense that I was just like, you know what, I'm just gonna do it myself. Right. I have enough experience. I've seen plenty of times how not to do it. So Trial and error? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of error. A lot of trial. Yeah. Since I wanna say, like, 4 4 years now.
The tribe of Greyhorn pagans is a thing. We also have our legal religious aspects because we are trying to, to get it from a what is now mostly online community to a IRL. We're really trying to get our own grove, our own, you know, own piece of land so we can, like, actually have tribal lands. So the legal side of things is the Grove of Odin. Wow. And you can find all of that on ww.greyhornpagans dot com. And if there's something that you wanna know and it's not on the website, just, you know, send us a message. It goes directly into my inbox. I'll reply pretty much right away because, I mean podcasting, blogging, that's what I do for the moment. I'm in between jobs and I don't mind it at all.
[00:11:28] Unknown:
Okay. Between your jobs, what's your job?
[00:11:33] Unknown:
Well, I used to work a lot in, in security and, hull diving. Mhmm. But security, I mean, you really can't do anything. You're, you know, a civilian with a fee on your chest. Yeah. That's about it. Hard having, let's say for, you know, your English audience, local, like very local law enforcement. I get tired of the politics. I get tired of the, the political games being played. I I don't do politics Right. Let alone at my workplace. So, and now I'm just, yeah, podcasting, blogging, doing a lot of things to gain experience as a, a radio tech.
So mixing, mastering of audio for, for the radio. So I work at Radio Harlem, local radio station, once a week. And, yeah, that's that's a lot of a lot of fun. I always wanted to, wanted to do more with with music and sound or whatever and now at Radio Harlem as a, as a volunteer, like, it's not paid, but hey, you know, it's it gets me experience, it gets me the, the right kind of connections and, you know, I like doing it. So Right. This is a beautiful segue though because,
[00:13:08] Unknown:
I told you just before you hopped on. And for listeners, this is gonna be completely new. I'm just back from Peru, and I I I had some downloads, divine downloads, whatever you gotta call it. I'm going to ask my guest right away the 14 questions. So you will know him a little bit more better before we have the complete interview. So, I hope you are ready for it, Stein, because some of them are really hard. Yeah. So you know them. Are really cute, really easy. So my first one will be, what's your favorite color?
[00:13:47] Unknown:
Oh, Christ. Not a We'll say red.
[00:13:54] Unknown:
Oh, shit. No. I didn't say it with my Oh, there it is again. Okay. Red. I think you're you're good. Yeah. What's your favorite music?
[00:14:08] Unknown:
Metalcore. Oh nice. Like Cork it. Yes sir. What kind of bands? Oh, the one that I keep going back to will always be, Parkway Drive. Really love Parkway Drive. Okay. Bullet for my Valentine because I used to be that evil kid as well. So bullet's always that's always good. Right. Gosh. I mean, it's as far towards death gore, but Whitechapel, suicide silence, but the real hard stuff. Right? So it's, Yeah. Yeah. Like, the the real hard stuff, like, going crazy in the pits and, you know, getting getting beat up and beating other people up. Oh. Having fun having fun doing it. Right. With the smile on your face. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. You know, you're getting kicked in the face. You're like, this is great. Yeah. Exactly. It's it's like my my
[00:15:09] Unknown:
well, my thing to go because I went to to hardcore, punk, metal, harsh rock, all that kind of stuff. So that's, you know, stage diving and marching, that's that's what you do. You know, it's not like, Sunday dance. It's something completely different. What's your favorite movie or series?
[00:15:30] Unknown:
Coricine, that's awesome.
[00:15:39] Unknown:
Have you heard the question? Because I just want I think You're kind
[00:15:43] Unknown:
of freezing up there.
[00:15:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Now I I'm good. Right? Because I just skipped to my data. No, the connection. Yeah, no, the connection, which should be better because I got few messages of unstable, but it should be good right now. What's your favorite movie or series?
[00:16:06] Unknown:
Oh, my favorite movie of all time will always be The Crow, with Brendan Lee, the original one.
[00:16:14] Unknown:
I just have to be honest with you, Dan, I never saw it. The crow. You're missing out, man. You're missing out. Well, I got some time left when I'm not doing podcasts or work or working on my other creative stuff.
[00:16:29] Unknown:
So sometimes you have to just See, Yeah, but the original one with Brendan Lee, the, the 1996 one, there are multiple CRO Muhta's and of course, you know, recently a new one came out. But the one with Brendan Lee will always be the, the original one, the actual one. Very much. Did he died afterwards? During. During? During. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's also kinda why the, the movie got the the cult status that it has.
[00:17:07] Unknown:
I'm gonna dig into that, especially now that I'm more not a wager star. I've been awake since I opened my fucking eyes. So, well, since I know a little bit more, or I think I know a little bit more, since I went down your rabbit hole and don't crawl out because you can't. If you go to like favorite series, what would that be?
[00:17:30] Unknown:
Oh. I really like Twin Peaks.
[00:17:38] Unknown:
Like a little bit of Wicked stuff?
[00:17:40] Unknown:
And it's and it's very occult. It's very very occult, but I I do like it. I mean, that's that's why I started watching it because, good friend of mine actually from the, the Occult Rejects podcast, He, like, was was going on and on about, like, how it's just so amazingly occult. And then I started watching it, and I started, seeing a lot of lot of the things that he saw. And I was like, holy shit. Like, first of all, this is just an awesome series. Like, it's really cool. Yeah. But damn, there's some cult shit in this.
[00:18:16] Unknown:
It's like nineties. Right? Nineties. 26. Yeah. 2000 maybe?
[00:18:24] Unknown:
Yeah. 22, 2000, but, the majority of the series is set in, I believe, like, the 19 sixties.
[00:18:35] Unknown:
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:18:38] Unknown:
But, yeah, it's it's very it's a very good show to watch. Like, it's very entertaining. The characters are, you know, very, very entertaining, very unique. Like, each one is pretty unique.
[00:18:52] Unknown:
And then just, you know, if you if you see the, the layers underneath, you can, like, really enjoy that too. And it's not like 15 or 20 seasons, right? As nowadays, when you watch a series, you're like, oh, this is a great season. Oh, there's another one coming up, and another one, and another one. And it's all been the milking cow for the same stupid stuff.
[00:19:12] Unknown:
Yeah. No. A a lot of seasons have that nowadays. Where, you know, they they get a second season while they definitely do not deserve a second season.
[00:19:22] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why I like it when I talk to my guests when I get some, hints like, movie or stuff like that. I got a hint from Jaguar, a while ago, like, oh, Epecliptico. You gotta see it from Mel Gibson. I watched the yesterday. That's a brutal one. That's a Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's a brutal one because they were brutal.
[00:19:46] Unknown:
What do you expect, right? Yeah. I mean, it's accurate.
[00:19:50] Unknown:
It's accurate. That's the whole thing. It's accurate. Yeah. It's same with The Passion of Christ, I never saw it, but it should be like, woah, holy shit. Well, what do you think when you're bearing a cross up a hill and you've been beaten down by Romans? What kind of movie do you expect, right? Yeah. It's just it's so stupid that people have a I tried watching The Passion of the Christ, but I
[00:20:12] Unknown:
I couldn't get into it. Too much? No. No. It just it didn't it didn't grip me. Right. Like religious kind of stuff. I don't I don't mind religion, you know, even if it's very, you know, opposed and juxtaposed to, to my way of life. I don't I know glided, you know, I can watch it objectively. That's perfectly fine. But, you know, if a movie like the first 10, 15 minutes, if it just if it doesn't do it for me, I'm just gonna turn it off. Like, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm simple, man. You know? You gotta you gotta grip me in the first 10, 15 minutes. If you haven't by then, yeah. Waste us time. Skip it. You tried.
Right.
[00:21:01] Unknown:
What's your favorite book, Stein?
[00:21:04] Unknown:
Oh, shit. That's a good one. I have read a lot of books in my life. Oh, actually, it's a, a book series that I have I think it's only book series that I have watched or have read multiple times, like, as as a series. I I have it in my my bookcase, behind me, but I don't know the name exactly, but the premise is, like, it's set in a kind of an alternative alternative timeline Italy. And then like traveling, with hold on. I'm just I'm just gonna I'm just gonna grab same thing going. If I do podcast, my mind is just fucking blank. It's like, oh. No. Like, I I know I know the titles, but I know it's a series. Give me one sec. I know where I know where they are. I mean, they're teen books but they're so well written and now that I've, you know, grown a, a larger understanding of esoterica and all of that I can appreciate it on all.
[00:22:32] Unknown:
One sec. One sec. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Go for it. I'm gonna get my tea while while we're doing that second. Nobody knows. Right, father. You were just a small break.
[00:22:45] Unknown:
Life.
[00:22:51] Unknown:
Right. I will back. I just forgot my tea when I went to the podcast. So
[00:23:01] Unknown:
There there are 4 books actually. The it's, Stravaganza. Stravaganza. Stravaganza. The city of Masks. City of Masks which is set in a, as you might may have guessed from the title, a alternative, Venice, like an alternative timeline Venice. Mhmm. City of Stars, City of Secrets, City of Flowers. And I think like these four books, all of them, I have read at least 2, 2 times maybe 3. Wow. Wow. So you are a real reader, right? Because I can, I can, I wrote some books? I'm a bookworm. It's in the family. Right? Okay. My dad has a huge, huge library of his, his own his own books.
My sister really loves to read. Even my my daughter, 9 years old, sweetheart, she has her own mini library in her room.
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You know that's something that's really valuable because once they're going to flush the digital libraries on the internet, you still have the copy of the stuff that's really important.
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I mean, the internet archive has been hacked a few times already. Oh, yeah. And that's like the internet archive. That's where everything is. And not to mention that some people have a PDF
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and all of a sudden some words are out. So when once you connect to the internet, they they just can, you know, oh, that file when that comes up, just delete this shit. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. Like,
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yeah, like retroactively changing the document. That's been done, yeah. That's crazy. It is. I mean, the internet, like, it's absolutely great. I mean, we definitely wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for the internet. Like, you wouldn't have a podcast or, you know, not not I mean, probably both of us wouldn't have a podcast, like, or maybe, like, tinkering with Pirate Radio as, you know, they did Right. Way back in the days. But, I mean, like, for all its its benefits, it has its downsides too. Like, it's very much a double edged sword and I mean the you know the the people in charge let's let's you know let's call them that they're not elites. They're definitely not the the actual elites.
But the people in charge, they definitely are seeing the dangers of the internet. That's why they're trying to censor it so heavily.
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Yeah, it's too much knowledge that you can find, 30 years ago, you couldn't. You have to go to some people in the village, and they would say, oh, wait a minute, you're going far too off. Yeah. Nowadays, you can just type it in and you can have the, well, not the wisdom, but the knowledge that you maybe know something. Because that's another question, right? If you know it, is that the truth? Because they can say whatever. If you go to a normal Google machine and you find the truth or something that they say that's the truth,
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be careful. Exactly. You know, always, like, stay skeptical.
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Yes. That's one of my favorite shirts in my teat public shop. Oh, disclaimer, a little bit of, come on. I gotta get the lights going. Mister or missus skeptic. There you got it. Nice. Stein, what's your favorite drink?
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Beer. I'm always Just like I'm always good for a beer. Alright.
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In a in a horn or just in the glass?
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Oh, horn if there is one. Right. But most people still use glasses. But, like, then actual beer glass. And Right. Either Herttuian or Trolls. Don't come at me with that Heineken.
[00:27:27] Unknown:
No. No. No. Whatever. Whatever it was supposed to be. It's it's like, drinking water in a no, but was it? No, I don't know. I don't say it because it was close to water because this was, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I know. It's my favorite food. You know, I think you know that they're saying that we're going there. I can't spell it, so just fuck it. It's fine. What's your favorite food?
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Oh, shit. That's another good one. Like, I I love to eat. I'm I am my father's son. I'm definitely, you know, from father's side of the family. They're all very, you know, lovers of good food and good drink. Well, Ramdys? Yeah. Yeah. Very much. You know, they start out just, you know, slim and athletic, and then they get a desk job and they just actually
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Inexplainable,
[00:28:19] Unknown:
yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, that's why I have to keep training. Right. You know, train to eat and eat to train, so. But favorite food, sheesh, That's, well, man, like, I like I like everything. There is there is not yeah. Christ.
[00:28:42] Unknown:
I think it's also a little bit of, a Dutch way because we don't have any, like, haute cuisine, like like, pea soup, soup. It's okay. Yeah. And Derivi Stambod, oh, wow. You know, we don't have a cuisine because we had 2 big harbors, like Rotterdam and in Amsterdam. And all the stuff that we eat comes from there, like Chinese food, like shawarma, whatever, Indian food, whatever, that that's all. We don't have anything like that. People can discuss that with me, fine. But if you say that bitterballa and, frikandel is like Dutch cuisine, maybe it is, but, well, think again, right?
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I don't know. I mean, yeah. But that's that's also, you know, it's it's cold up here. So we all the foods have to be fatty. They have to be starchy. They have to get us, you know, through the cold winter. That's why, you know, stumbled like a lot of potatoes. Oh, yeah. A lot of potatoes.
[00:29:44] Unknown:
Or I was thinking about herring. No matches? Her new herring with, with onions? Oh, I do like that. Me too. I smell like a shit for about 2 days. That is so good.
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The fats you're gonna get into your body, it's so good. Oh, yeah. Just eat the Onvega fats and and all of that. Yeah. You know, if if we're talking Dutch cuisine, like proper Dutch cuisine, just herring. Like, herring some with some some chopped onions. Maybe maybe, like, a a pickle slice or 2, but preferably just herring onions. That's it. Like, I'll have that any day. I mean, my my wife, she's American, but, so she absolutely hates it. Raw fish, what? Yeah. Raw fish.
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If you say that to people like tourists, it's like, oh my god. You know, we think that the Japanese are weird with the fish and the sushi. We eat it raw.
[00:30:45] Unknown:
Yeah. And Raw. Like, the whole fish. The raw. I mean, like Yeah. Yeah. Like, with with sushi, it's, you know, prepared, and it's, you know, like in a sushi roll, and get me out of this, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, make it nice, but we're just, like, not facial.
[00:31:01] Unknown:
Yeah. It's the same thing that, ah, shit. What, from Pulp Fiction, one of the first lines have been said, like, John Travolta to, Samuel Jackson. You know what I put in French fries in the Netherlands? Little man, mayonnaise. What? There's something like, oh, yeah, mayonnaise and yogurt.
[00:31:24] Unknown:
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? A Royale with cheese. A Royale? Yeah. Yeah, man. Oh, you gotta love to Dutch. Yeah. I mean, we're we're definitely one of a kind people.
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I think we probably were. Like the Baaderkoe, is it the really Germanic?
[00:31:45] Unknown:
The ones that that were on that? We're gonna talk about it later because that's that's exactly where I wanna point out in this podcast with people. I'm from I'm from Leiden, you know, the Badgeroz that literally saved my hometown. Right, right. Oh, I'm basically from Germany,
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and took foot on on the Netherlands, not that long ago since I was born, basically. Mhmm. But, I have a lot of lot of things going with German, like tutorial walls, stuff like that in Hamburg. I gotta tell you a story about that too, you can find on YouTube. This is gonna be for for for, for the rest of the podcast, some some stuff that I want to fire on you. I love that. Okay. What kind of clothing you like to wear the most, Stijn?
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Just comfy clothing. You know, just give me give me a good baggy sweater and, and baggy sweatpants, sport pants. Like, that's especially, you know, it's well, I mean, that's, like, for in the winter. In the winter, just, you know, give me give me baggy. Give me and, you know, that's fine. But, in the in the summer, like spring, summer when it's sort of warm, like it's still the Netherlands, so, like, it's Yeah. It gets actually warm. Your ass off of August. Then, you know, like, I'm I'm still that that core kid, still a hardcore kid, so shorts and a tank top. Ah, yeah. Cool.
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Yeah. And some fans underneath. Right?
[00:33:20] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Complete fans. Yeah. I used to be like a, like, black Converse, but now I've, like, kinda grown more into into vans, actually.
[00:33:33] Unknown:
I just love the look of the Converse, but they're so fucking uncomfortable. Even if you go to a rock and roll concert like I do, drinking whiskey, smoking every shit that I ever done in my life, when you are on Converse, like, how the hell do you make it to the day, you know? When people step on your foot, you're done. When people spill some beer, you got soaking wet socks. I mean And your shoes are ruined. The, the shoes are ruined, exactly. They, they look great, but but comfortable, none.
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None. I mean, they're they're the classic rock and roll shoes, of course, you know, and they they go with everything. But it's just indeed, because they're, you know, because they're canvas Yeah. There's there's no give. They're, like, appropriate only for when it's dry. If it gets a little cold, your feet are freezing. If it's a little wet I mean, that your feet are freezing too, but just because it's wet. Right? I mean, they're they're great, but they suck at the same time. It's good for photo shooting, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's yeah. For sure. You know, if you're doing a rock and roll photo shoot and you don't know, like, what kind of footwear you want, Just so basic black Converse, and you're good as.
[00:34:46] Unknown:
Exactly. Just like you said, I love the looks, I love the looks. So, if you want to sponsor me, you just hit the record button, or just want to write me a mail, and you listen to this podcast like, oh, fuck, you, no, no, no. Send them.
[00:35:00] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. For sure. I mean, like, you know, likewise. Fans, Culverters. Yeah. I I got my NHO too. With a pagan twist with some runes on it. Hey. It's the fucking $1,000,000
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thing that you gotta do. Culverters
[00:35:12] Unknown:
with the, the Mule Nair. That'd be awesome, though. Oh. That'd be really cool. Are we gonna give them too much ideas? If it's still broken, they gonna they gonna make some money out of it. Oh, shit. Like, well, you'll see. Like, they'll like, next season, they'll come out with with a shoe just like that, so we're like, well, we got something new. No. You stole that from us. Get us some freaking credits. Right. Good luck proving it. We're a $1,000,000,000
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company. Oh, we record this shit, and we're gonna put it out. We Oh. We got lawyers too. We're not gonna see who it is, but we got lawyers too. Oh, great, man. Steli, what's your favorite, holiday destination or vacation? Because in America and in England, you have 2 things, like a holiday and a vacation.
[00:35:58] Unknown:
Yeah. I've been fortunate enough to have traveled a lot already with my, my parents, so I've seen a lot of the world already. Just thinking back about all the places that I have been, I think the one that left the biggest impression on me is China. Just because, like once you even when you get to the airport, like you get out of the plane into the actual airport Right. There's such a stark difference. Like you're truly, truly, you know, in in a a different country, different world almost, you know, just the you still have your, you know, your big western brands here and there, preferably not, of course.
But there's there's no comparing east or west, and there is no place that makes it more obvious than China. But if there's such amazing parts of China, it was such a it was such a great trip. So, yeah, I think China has left the the biggest impression on me. It's beautiful out there. It is.
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And not not in the cities. It is something like completely diff different than the, western cities, but I think once you go out of the city, you're just like, wow.
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Wow. Once you go more to the the countryside, you know, like the the rice fields and all of that, or just the the smaller cities, it's it's really cool. It's really beautiful. And there it's such a it's such an old culture.
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Yeah.
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1000 of years of dynasties and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like, that's still visible, you know, in the games they play, you know, that the the way of of building things, the dishes that they they serve. Like, I don't know if it's like, it's funny you were talking about, like, Chinese food and how it's, you know, imported here. We don't eat we don't eat actual Chinese food. Like, we just get a, you know, freaking bakbami and baknasi and Bruh. From a Chinese person, but it's not Chinese food. No. I mean, like, there those are side dishes, you know. Like, you get a, like, this is a small small bowl and you fill that out with some rice or some nasi. But the actual main dishes are very well prepared, meats and very well prepared vegetables with a lot of spice. So warning for all the Westerners who want to travel to China, get some emoedium because you're gonna have the shits.
Oh,
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I had the shits too, but I think it was Ayahuasca.
[00:39:04] Unknown:
Oh, that that'll do. That'll do. That'll do. That'll do. That'll cleanse you.
[00:39:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I got, 2, 4, 5, 6 more questions, but these are will be hard. Bring it on? All right. What's the definition of the devil?
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Sure, I don't have one. I don't believe in a personification of the devil. I do believe evil
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exists. That made.
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But not, you know, the devil. No. Not a rat puppet with the, With the horns and the pitchfork and the Yeah. Yeah. You know, the tail and whatever. No. I don't I don't believe in that. I do believe in evil. I mean gosh. You can't look around. You turn on the fucking TV. Just Exactly. You know, if you don't if you don't believe in evil, then, like, or what are you doing? I mean but actual personification of the devil? No. There is not not one entity or one semi divine being. Mhmm. Can you call it even divine? I don't know. But, nah.
I don't. So I don't I don't really have one.
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And what's your interpretation of, or definition of God?
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Which one?
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That's the best answer. That's the best answer. We got the old father, which is Odin for a lot of people. Yes, sir. And then you got a lot of divisions of other, like Christ, Buddha, whatever.
[00:40:57] Unknown:
You know, Buddha wasn't necessarily a God. No. Jesus wasn't God either. He was a prophet. Yeah. Exactly. Omen too. Yeah. Yeah. So they're not gods. I, I honor the old European gods, the old Germanic gods, Wotan, Donar, Tivas, Freya. But I do believe that the other, European pantheons that they do exist as well in one form or another.
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Okay. So so Hercules and and Zeus and
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yeah. Or, you know, even the, the Slavic pantheon, which is, very much like the Germanic pantheon. But I think it's an expression of the people and an expression of the land. Right. But I think in its its purest form, it is still polytheism or animism which basically, you know, comes down to the same thing. Animism is more like nature is divine and the new thing is nature. Mhmm. Polytheism is, like, kinda personifying its, I think we as a as a species, as as beings, we did that to to better understand them. You know, if we put a name to things, if we put a a face or a archetype to things, it helps us understand what is just so far above us.
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Nice one. What's your interpretation of value?
[00:42:57] Unknown:
Oh. You're asking all the right questions, man. Thanks. Well, you create your own value, value isn't anything materialist. I mean everyone can put a value on something. Doesn't mean it actually has value. So value is very much very much personal. It's it's what what you think is valuable is valuable. So yeah. Yeah. There is, I don't, a true definition, like a one word definition, I don't think I have one, but it's non physical, a very personal creator, you create your own value. Right.
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So last definition question, what's your interpretation or definition of success?
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Being able to do what you love.
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Love that one. Yeah. Okay. So we got last two questions. I know that the last 4 are just pain in the ass. That's fine. But, hey, that's okay, right? So what's your favorite quote?
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I got a few that I really like. Let's see. I think the Earth 3 that have stuck with me forever, Confucius. I believe that was Confucius. Size and symbols to rule this world, not rules or laws. Then from the original Crow movie, mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Especially, you know, with the the scene in the movie when that's that's being said. It's a a powerful statement. Mhmm. And I, one that I even I can't be received. I have it tattooed across my chest, All Shell Fade, which is in reference to the 3rd Lord of the Rings movie, Pippin's song in the the white city like near the the end of the movie during the final battle. Because that song has left such a impression on me. There's so much emotion and and pain in in that song but yet it is so so beautiful in its pain.
And you know it's also just a good reminder all shall fade. You know you can interpret it like, ah, so, like all shall fade. Okay, good. So shit's worthless. No, no, no, no. That makes it worth something because it will eventually fade. And also the bad things, you know, if you're going through a rough time in life, also, like, that too shall fade. Right. Eventually it will come to pass, you know. And also us, if you have a hard life,
[00:46:38] Unknown:
once there will be an end of it. Yeah, yeah, I mean. It's not in a depressive way, you know, it's just like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. It's like something beautiful, like, just like you said, if you're having a hard time, well, embrace it because good times come after. What do you say here in the Netherlands is like, behind the behind the clouds, the sun shines. Yeah. Although I have something, like, really fucked up that I just posted on TikTok. I don't know if you saw it. I don't think you saw it yet because I posted it yesterday. I swear to God, Stein, we were 1 hour before landing in Madrid.
Yeah. It was pitch dark in the fucking airplane. Not with the blinds, because the blinds were open. It was pitch dark. Makes no fucking sense at 2 o'clock PM. So for the Dutch guys, 2 pitch dark at 14:21 when they said we're gonna arrive within 10 minutes or 15 minutes. I don't know. Look at the video. There was the sun. Where the fuck was the sun like an hour ago? When I was flying more than, well, the sun comes up at 7:7. 8:9:7:11:12:13. So more than 6 hours in Western Hemisphere. Where the fuck was the sun? Yeah, there's something up with that. There's something going on. But, okay, that's me bragging about conspiracies.
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Yeah, no, I mean, you know, the shape of the earth and whatever, it's not a discussion that I like to get into, but I do believe it's not entirely what, what we've been told. What hurts? I mean, like, who knows for for all you know, it may be freaking donut shaped.
[00:48:34] Unknown:
Even if you know it, do you know it? Can you Exactly. Exactly. That's the whole thing that I'm so, and, and even if we got to prove it, like, okay, well, we're flying with the dildo shaped earth into the air to a butthole. I don't care, right? So what if we know that? What happens to your reality? You're still stuck on this flying dildo through the air. Yeah. I mean, that's- And the same problems are just every single fucking day. The same people are ruling. Yeah. They're not, their intentions are not good for you. What you're gonna do about it? Oh, we figured out to shave the earth. Well, fuck it.
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So cool. Good for you. Right? How does it improve your life? How does it make things, like, actually down here, how does it make make it any better? Oh, it's flat, it's round, it's it's donut, it's egg. It's it's hollow. It's whenever. Yeah. Okay. Cool. You know? It's it's it's funny to talk about those conspiracies. Like, oh, what are they hiding from us?
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You'll never know that's why you're hiding it. That's why I got a t shirt, whatever the fuck. They got it. Yeah. You can put it on everything, right? What's your gen, what's your, genre? Whatever the fuck. What's your political whatever the fuck. You can put it on everything. That's the question before you're drifting away from, from the subject that we can talk about because Sure. We're having a good time already, Stein. 2 2 squirrels skipping on the skipping on the branches. Last question will be, what's your life's motto? Oh, crap.
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Now I have to think of 1. I don't I don't really have a life's motto, actually. Not not a single one. I mean, just, yeah.
[00:50:36] Unknown:
No. It's more like a I think that's good in a in a way now that I think about it. Because if you have a life's motto, you are indoctrinating yourself with that kind of belief.
[00:50:50] Unknown:
Could be. Yes and no. It I think that's that too may be a, a double edged sword. You know, it for a lot of people having one particular motto, one thing that they can, you know, grab onto especially in, you know, in bad times, that really helps them. You know, it helps them pull themselves out of the slack, out of the mud, out of whatever you're you're finding yourself into. At the same time, there is definitely a danger that you're you're letting yourself be stuck in that model. So when things change, you're like, oh, no, this doesn't fight. With Graz doesn't feel right because this has always been my motto. But what I just saw, what I just learned, like completely goes against that. So now my whole motto is irrelevant, therefore making me irrelevant.
Identity crisis.
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Exactly that's what I meant. Like So it's
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it's good to have I think a value. I think that it'd be better. Like, not necessarily a motto, not not a fixed thing, but a a value, a characteristic, there to, like, hold on to that. And for that, for me, would be honor.
[00:52:28] Unknown:
Wow. Okay. We we just skipped through 14 questions. Now let's let's get into the subjects. Yes, sir. A lot of people do not know even, Christians, that are very populated in this world, that a lot of paganism is, find nowadays in our just in our normal daily lives. If you take a look at the the strong days, as I prefer to say, not the weak days or weak ads, I have strong ads. Sure. We got Sunday, which is based for the sun. We got Monday, the moon, a Tuesday tier or, yes, tier? Tier is yes. Tier. Yeah. Wodan is Odin, Thursday, Thor, Friya, Friday, and then we're going back to Saturn day.
Yes. So that that's one of the things that I wanna, touch based on. Weird. What is paganism?
[00:53:30] Unknown:
Paganism is polytheism. It is the belief in multiple gods or multiple divine entities. That's just very broadly speaking, so it's a very, usually more nature based religion. You know, you could say that, like even the African tribes are pagans. But they're African pagans because most of them believe in multiple gods or multiple deities or see nature as something divine or evil at times. So that's also very pagan. It's a very pagan mindset. But if you like take the literal definition of paganism, paredanes, people living outside the city, people living in, in or on the country, heathens, people of the heath.
Right. It's kinda it's it's used by Christians usually as a, a more derogatory term. Like, that, you know, you're freaking pagan heathen. I don't believe you're a pagan. You're a heathen. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I am. Yes. So What what else is new? Yeah. I'm a pagan. Yeah. I'm a heathen. Okay. I mean, if you look up the definition on, on Google or any any search engine, I don't recommend using Google. Like, it'll also say which I find very interesting, atheistic. That he a that a hidden is kind of or is is comparable or equal to a atheist, which is completely backwards. That's completely backwards. Atheism is believing that there is no God.
I believe, or no rather, that there are multiple. How I don't know.
[00:55:47] Unknown:
I think I I think I know the answer because they're not in the way that you're gonna say, oh, it's Jesus Christ. So not that's not a known god, so that's atheist because you can't prove it. Yeah. I mean Wait a minute. How do you prove your god then? And what's really fascinates me is, source? Right? It's, oh, but it's, it goes so deep. It goes so deep because, we we had a time ago, we had the the, the Pastafari. So they said, okay, we we we believe in the flying spaghetti monster.
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Which is a officially recognized religion.
[00:56:31] Unknown:
Yes. Which is another- Do you know why they did it? You know why the background, why they put it that up? That's a meme. Yeah, but they put it that up just to prove in court, like, oh, what you say is not true. You can't prove it. So that means that you can prove religion, which is again, one, of course, because you can believe, and I respect all the belief systems. But the funny thing is, I know a guy that knows a guy. Seems like New York. Right? I know a guy that knows a guy. But, he's working for the Vatican, and he's a translator of, of the Hebrew text.
So there's a lot. And he also translated the Bible. The word God does not exist in the first testament. No. When it comes to Hebrew. It references
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gods. The yes, gods. Melohim.
[00:57:34] Unknown:
Melohim, yes, which means multiple gods. Yeah. But then all of a sudden, the church thought like, oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. We got a, we got a very commercial thing going on, like a, you know, like a franchise. We don't want to boot that shit out. So what about, you know, king? Is there a king? Yeah. It's me. King James. Okay. Rewrite history, please.
[00:57:57] Unknown:
Yeah. No. That's that's that's one thing that I, you know, always keep bringing up wherever I can. The Elohim is indeed, it's a it's a pantheon. They are multiple gods and Yahweh was just one of them. It was a, it was a storm god. A storm god? Yeah, he was a storm god. So, yeah, no El, Elohim, the Elohim.
[00:58:31] Unknown:
What was your path, Stein, that you came across paganism that you thought by yourself like, oh, wow, this resonates or matches with me. I hate the word resonates, but matches with me. Like, oh, this this feels like something that that could be me or that could be something that I wanna know more about.
[00:58:55] Unknown:
Well, my, my parents were raised Catholic, Roman Catholics, and not even, like, the actual Catholic. They fell off their their faith. I mean, my my father is I don't want to say religious but he has every now and then when you know life becomes too much he'll go to a monastery, like a silence retreat for, like, a week, week and a half where he, where he can really come come to himself and just, you know, talks to or converse with the the divine. So he doesn't necessarily call himself religious, but he's still the most religious of all of us. Mhmm. So, so it's not necessary that I've been raised in church as many have, but always been kind of surrounded by, by religion.
And I I did try the whole, you know, Christian thing, of course, because it's the easiest accessible and it's the one you know most about, of course, because it's the one that is most accessible. You
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Oh, you're frozen?
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Yeah. There we go. Sorry about that. No props. No. But I I I couldn't, the the one thing that I couldn't get past was the whole believe or else.
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Right. Chop off with the head.
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Yeah. Or just, you know, like I was I'm my mind is like very chaotic anyway. There are a few things that I can hyperfixate on but other than that I'm spread like all over the freaking place. Just ask my wife. So, you know, you have to watch what you say, you have to watch what you do, you have to watch what you think. It becomes a full time job just doing that. Like, you're not able to live, like actually live because with everything it's like am I thinking the right thing? Am I saying the right thing? Am I doing the right thing? Is this not gonna, you know, send me to hell or whatever? So I just I couldn't I couldn't do that.
So I yeah. I just I let it go. It wasn't even that I, you know, fell off the faith or whatever. I just I never got into it. Then I like, I already knew about the, what the days of the week. Of course, you know, they're named after the, the Norse gods, most of the Norse Norse gods. I, like, I was a history buff. I really like history. You know, the Romans, the Vikings, all of that. You know, it's pretty cool, like European history. Big, tough guys. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't, like the true catalyst for me was actually history Vikings, like the the TV show Vikings, which is, you know, of course still Hollywood, so it's very, very grimy and all of that.
But it was the, the warrior spirit, and the honor culture that that, that I felt a connection with. Because I've always been very bad with injustice, whether it be, you know, injustice towards me or someone else, someone I love, someone I care about. I've always tried to fight that in one way or another. So that to see that there are, there are gods, there is a whole culture, whole system, if you will, that is based on that, that has that, you know, honor, truth, value as its its core. Mhmm. I was just like, yo. Yeah. This.
Like, what whatever whatever this is. Absolutely this. And And I I skipped the, the viking larp. Right. Yeah. I will. No. Like, with with a IKEA rug and a, like, a plastic plastic cord. Oh, I know you wouldn't. Right. Right. Right. Right. Oh, you're like, you know, good on them. You know those people. That's fine. LARP. Yeah. It's you know, you're halfway there. Let's say that. But I I skipped that whole phase and, like, dove head first into the, into the gods, into the culture. And, yeah, that was, I would say, early twenties. I think it was, like, 22, 23, so a good 10 years ago. Mhmm.
I was interested in it beforehand, but, so yeah. That's it. Like actually walking the path for 10 years. I've been interested in it for 12, 13 years, and it really has, has shaped my life since, and has given me a lot of, always have given me something to to fall fall back on. Always something to to hold on to. I love doing, doing rituals with my, my wife. We, we mostly do the, on the full moon or the new moon or with, the bigger holidays like Samhain, for example, which we we just had. So there's a little magic practice in that as well because the gods are not just divine beings. A lot of them were at least, Odin, Wotan, and Freya are very powerful magicians.
Mhmm. So magic is totally incorporated in shamanic paganism. Mhmm. That's given me a lot of strength. It's given me it's given me my my core value or strengthened it, I should say. Because I've always been about, honesty and justice. And now, you know, as I said, like seeing the whole belief system, whole lifestyle based armaments, it has only strengthened it for me.
[01:06:04] Unknown:
It's funny that you mentioned it because it gives me always some protection. They called me, I just basically went back down from Peru this week, this strong. And it was, I was walking around with the staff. I find a nice stick. I carved it with my initials in roots. Nice. And I travel with roots also, always. Yeah, saw those. So, and that's something that I wanted to dig into a little bit more, but, had to be very careful. I just bought something from a spiritual kind of webs web stuff with with some nice stones with with the roots in carved in it. And then I spoke to someone who said, oh, be careful.
First of all, know what you do. Because when you sell an entity, you better be aware who that entity is.
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And especially with Loki, he can fuck you up. Then Loki's a bastard.
[01:07:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Then she said to me, always, when you when you do runes, take it from a band branch from a bear from a fruit bearing tree, because it has to be life in it. Then carve your runes on it. What's your suggestion about that? Because I bought the book of runes. Of course. Yeah, of course. What to do with, it says also you have to, you know, light them down on fire. You have to water the elements and stuff like that. And I wanna do it 100%. Not like, oh, I do runes.
[01:07:44] Unknown:
I mean, that, that that kind of borders on the, the the dogmatic. Like, you know, there is there is one way to do it and that only that one way is the right way, which I mean, you you still see a lot in in paganism, of course, because so many, well, neo pagans are former Christians, so they still kinda take that dogmatic aspect with them. I think if you wanna do it properly, yeah, you can definitely, do it like that. A fruit bearing tree. I mean, good luck finding one in work in Europe. You know?
[01:08:27] Unknown:
Could be apple tree. Could be oh, in in Northern Europe. Yeah. That's gonna be all. In Nordic or Sweden, just like, oh,
[01:08:34] Unknown:
they're gonna be like, spruces. So I I do understand where she's coming from, but at the same time, you could say that, the oak is also kind of a a free tree, the spruce, you know, with the or with the, the the pine Yeah? Pine cones. I wouldn't say pineapples, but pine cones. Yeah. What's it called? Yeah. Datapels.
[01:09:01] Unknown:
Pinecoats. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean With an oak, you got the, a horns. The acorns
[01:09:07] Unknown:
style. Yes. Yeah. I mean, we got a lot of aichols.
[01:09:11] Unknown:
Oh,
[01:09:12] Unknown:
shoot. This was an inside joke. Yeah. No. But so you you could say, like, those are kind of the, the fruits of Northern Europe, you know, nuts and seeds and all of that because that's what we have here because of the colder climate. Right. So oak tree is very much Thor is very much donor. Strong, sturdy, you know Very powerful. Yeah. Doesn't budge. That's Thor. That is Right. 100% Thor. You could have the ash tree, the elm tree, the ash tree, being of course the ytrasil. Ash and elm, the first two, humans given life by Ogin created together with his 2, 2 brothers, Phineas and Vei. So fruit trees, yeah, but more so than that I'd say get proper Northern European trees.
So, the spruce, the oak, the ash, the elum.
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But they're bearing fruits, too. But we're not eating them, right?
[01:10:24] Unknown:
You, I mean, you can, but not all of them.
[01:10:29] Unknown:
Right. And you have to prepare them very careful, right? Yeah, you know, with,
[01:10:33] Unknown:
castanhas, bacoraches, that kind of stuff, chestnuts, whatever the other ones called in English. But there are only certain wines that you can eat, and some you can't even eat raw because they're, you know, highly poisonous. Right. Which is just nature's way of saying, like, don't eat me.
[01:10:56] Unknown:
Yet, we found a way. If you had them in the hospital, you're fucked. No, no, you just heard a lesson, don't eat me.
[01:11:03] Unknown:
Yeah. And still, we found a way to eat them. It's like Right. Don't eat me? Challenge accepted. Yes. So, I mean, fruit trees, actual fruit trees, you know? Yeah. Well, that's more southern Europe because that's, you know, it's warmer there. You got the olive trees, you got the, the orange trees. I guess apple trees? Apple trees are kinda Northern Europe. We have a lot of good apple trees here, apple orchards. Here? Especially in the poles? Yeah. Especially near where I live. I live in the, the flower bowl region, the the pole stake. So we have, like, good apple orchards here.
Gerries? Yeah. Gerritrees, yeah. Yeah.
[01:11:51] Unknown:
So how do you prepare yourself or how do you do a ritual? It's something like, oh, we got wishes because people are saying that. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. It's just like, if you go, if you go,
[01:12:06] Unknown:
when you wake up and you do your, your, your stuff that you always do, that's a ritual too, right? It's not like Your morning We're going to Your morning ritual, everybody, like even without thinking, calls it their morning ritual. You know? Right. You do this, then you do this, then you do this, then you do this. Then you can get your day started. And in that order, because if you mix up the order or mess up the order Shift on. Whatever, it's just like, I don't I skipped something or I had to Right. Had to cut it short and now I'm not not feeling it. Like, we literally call that our morning ritual.
Right. So, how do you do a ritual? However you think a ritual is done. You know, a ritual can be anything. It really can be anything. It usually, if you want to do like a proper ritual, like a more more of a, grand or grander ritual, you have to to offer something, for the the Norse Germanic gods, that's usually some sort of a, an alcoholic beverage, but something something strong like a whiskey or a mead or, you know, if you're doing it for, for a Thor, for Dodar, just, you know, good mug of beer, he'll appreciate that. Mhmm. And Will you bring it yourself or him?
[01:13:42] Unknown:
Will you give it to him and it will be ancient yet of the ritual?
[01:13:48] Unknown:
Well not physically emptied. I mean not always at least. It can happen of course, but it's more you're, you're offering the essence, is it? Right. Right. So what, what I did it with my, like my little Samhain ritual that I did for myself is I offered offered incense. Incense is always that's always a good offering. It's just you know it's, it's herbs. It's you know very natural, very aromatic. So you know, very basic. You can get it everywhere but it's still good. And a shot of whiskey, 1 for Voton and then I took a shot myself as well.
Right. That's just that's how I how I did it. But if you like really wanted to do like a proper ritual for, for Wotan, for Odin? Self sacrifice. So you have to, because that's what Odin is about. That's how he, came into possession of the runes and the knowledge and use of the magic of the runes, he had to sacrifice himself to himself.
[01:15:12] Unknown:
Right, losing his eyes, stuff like that? Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's how
[01:15:17] Unknown:
he became such a, a powerful magician, of course. He sacrificed so much of himself to gain that. And I'm not saying that if you, like, wanna properly worship Odin, you have to, like, pluck out your eye. Don't. Probably even Odin's gonna look at you like, dude, no. Why? Don't be stupid. Right. But you have to sacrifice something of yourself whether that be like a bad habit
[01:15:53] Unknown:
Or a sign Stop smoking. Or stop drinking
[01:15:56] Unknown:
beer maybe. Yeah, or just, yeah, or just minor, minor things like you'll improve something. Like, oh, I've been lacking in that. Well, you know, Wotan, Odin, if you help me, not if you give me, but if you help me, that or if you help me achieve that, I will improve this or I will stop doing that.
[01:16:21] Unknown:
Right. Love that. I really love that. So when it comes to, okay, the question will be, is is paganism a religion, or is the way of life with a belief system?
[01:16:42] Unknown:
I would say it is a way of life with a belief system at most, with a spiritual path. Right. But more so a way of life, a way of being. There are and there are, of course, you know, divine entities, divine, you know, gods and other entities attached to it. But it's not a it's not a religion as we as we know religions to be of the, 3, you know, major Abrahamic ones, of course. Right. We don't go to to the temple or in the shul or the church every every Sunday and we don't, you know, like say grace before we go to bed, doesn't that, then again that doesn't mean that if you want to do that, you can absolutely do that, you can absolutely prostrate yourself before the gods, you know, if you wanna do that before bed, before, you know, before every meal, go ahead. That's also the beautiful thing about paganism, there is no, like, right way of doing it. Right. Because we don't have a, we don't have a Bible. We don't have Exactly.
We don't have one text or one book or one prophet that says, this is how it should be done, then this, then this. If you were to do this, then that. If you do this, then this is the consequence. Right. We don't have that, you know? I mean, the, the closest thing would be the Havamal, the teachings of Odin, but still that's not like those are more guidelines. It's like how Odin feels that you should do things, but if you do it like that or, you know, you tweak it to, to your liking or how, you know, tweak it to the modern times because Isn't it some texts?
Those texts were of course written 100 of years ago, so Right. The exact practice a lot of things are illegal now, so you can practice exactly like our ancestors did. So, you know, even that.
[01:19:13] Unknown:
Oh illegal when it comes to offering and stuff like that?
[01:19:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of that or, you know like the whole honor system if someone, like if a man goes to love a man, a bitch, for example, you know, like an actual that's Kill him. That's it's yeah. That's degrading. That's an attack on his character. That's an attack on his honor and you should avenge it. If you do that now, you'll end up in jail.
[01:19:47] Unknown:
Yeah, but I think that, the real point of it is a good point. Like, don't be bitching around with a divine being as we all are. We are all light beings. Which really fascinates me with with the with the words is that it's something like, we talked about it before, about nowadays, where we're living in this kind of reality, all the churches, not all of them, but the first church has been stolen from the pagans. The altars
[01:20:25] Unknown:
were there from the pagans. Here in Europe, definitely. Yes. They were I mean, I'll I'll I'll give it to them. In that regard, they were very, very smart about it in in, like, a very, you know, sneaky bastard kinda kinda way. Right. Because I best example that I have is if you were a a outlaw, you know, in, like, actual heat and times being an outlaw literally meant you're outside the law. So whatever happens to you is valid, there is no punishment for it because you're outside the law. If you wanted to be protected, if you wanted to be safe, that is in the times that, like Christianity was already kind of taking over Europe, the only place you were safe as an outlaw was in the church.
So you have a choice. Be an outlaw. Literally outside the law, outside of society. If you're killed, you're killed. That's it. If you're robbed, you're robbed. That's it. It doesn't fucking matter. If you want to be safe, go to church. Find your church, go in there, and then, you know, you have divine protection because obviously your gods are not protecting you. Our gods will. Oh, shit. So it's very it's very clever, but it's a it's a bastard move. Yeah. But but also with Easter, it's paganism. Yeah. Christmas? Feast of fertility.
[01:22:16] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Christmas, our thing. Yeah. And a lot of people I know, you know, the funny thing, I have a lot of friends which are real Christians, and I love them. But I can't agree with them. Even if I point these things out, oh, no, it's because, no, no, no, no, no, no, you just screwed up the first line. It's like you are not the word as Milton Ocampo, which has a great podcast nowadays says, you are not the word, you are saying the word. That's the wrong thing. You should be the word.
[01:22:50] Unknown:
Put the Christ back in Christmas. There never was any Christ in Christmas.
[01:22:54] Unknown:
No. And it's only 2000 years old. So, but paganism, hedonism, what's the other one, Hinduism is 3, 4000 years older than the book that they've written in a Brahmic like, Jewish, Islam and Christianity. So it's a franchise formula for me. Oh, oh, no. Yeah. It is. And I mean, I I don't,
[01:23:27] Unknown:
I have learned a lot more about, about Christianity, about actual Christianity throughout the years especially, you know, hosting my own podcast. I get stuck with a lot of different people which I absolutely love. I've learned more in my, well I won't say, like 4 years of podcasting than I ever did in school. So I do see like the very basics of Christianity is just a very proper mystic, mystical school if you will. You know the teachings of Christ in its very core are not bad teachings. It's the church that is corrupt. It is the institution that is the church that is corrupt.
The, you know, and, but of course since, you know, the Church speaks for God, speaks for Christ, that corruption, you know, seeps deeper and deeper and, you know, like, it it goes to the top, takes the corruption dapper with them. So it's a proper mystical school. There are proper mystical teachings at its core, but it's very much the institution, it's very much the church that gets corrupted. But because of that they also, spread a corrupted kind of Christianity, a corrupted message, unfortunately. Yeah. Because I, a good good friend of mine, Soraya, she's a, she's a wonderful lady.
She is very much Christian but she acknowledges that there are other gods. She acknowledges that, you know, there is strength and beauty and power in paganism. But she is Christian, but still a very pure Christian. And, like, Will definitely or definitely has things to say about the other so called Christians. You know, she'll call them out when she sees it. Wow. Because she holds true to the, to the actual teachings, to the true teachings, the pure teachings, and she's one of very few actually. But because she still has that pure mindset, because she still holds true to the pure teachings, that's why I consider her a good friend.
[01:26:10] Unknown:
Right. Because she thinks she's not closing the door when she knows a little bit about Christianity or whatever. She opens up like, okay, what's more?
[01:26:20] Unknown:
Yeah. And just the fact that she, that she acknowledges my gods as well. It's like, you know, your your gods, yeah, they exist, sure. But they're not for me, you know? I'm I'm a Christian. I believe in, you know, the true one true God, her God and Jesus or whatever Mhmm. And she finds a lot of value in that. She is able to live a very good life through that. Right. So just by accepting that there are others and accepting the truth about actual Christianity and its corruption or whatever, it makes her already just so much better, such a better Christian than your average Christian.
[01:27:05] Unknown:
Right. And the funny thing is a lot of people do not know that, Jesus Christ, when you read the books, he was a really fascinating person because he didn't like any system. And he studied every single thing that was on that time on earth. Hinduism, Buddhism, he liked it everything. And then he said, oh, this is wrong. They banned him. Okay, fuck You know, he was a badass motherfucker, but he's not Christian. They they gotta connect that word Christianity to the bible, but that's not that's not what's happening. It's a very fascinating book about, it wasn't outlaw.
Because he was questioning so many things about systems. He was questioning the establishments.
[01:27:53] Unknown:
Yeah. And going against the establishments, but in a very mystical religious spiritual way. Yeah. You know he's called the lion of Judah. I mean lions they may be cats but they're no pussies.
[01:28:11] Unknown:
Yeah. But this is it's the best and the strongest cat there is. It's the king of the jungle.
[01:28:17] Unknown:
Yeah.
[01:28:18] Unknown:
Some people will say no it's not. Well he is. He will fuck up every other cat
[01:28:23] Unknown:
no matter what kind of cat you bring on. Yeah. A liar will fuck you up. Exactly. And, I mean, another good friend of mine, Lodebeck, he is a very devout Catholic. He's he's still a he's still a good guy. He's, you know, he's young, so he's still, he's kinda, you know, trying to be edgy. But that's that's fine, you know. And he he believes in the the true warrior Christ, you know, the one who on the spot braids a whip to whip the merchants out of the temple. That Christ, the true Lion of Judah. So, yeah, he's Catholic, but he has that that warrior mentality. He has that aristocratic mentality.
So that's why I get along with him so well because we may believe in, you know, in different things, in different gods, different out the arms because Catholicism is basically, you know, let me copy your own work but, you know, okay sure but change it up so it doesn't look like you copied it. Mhmm. So it's it's it's different but still very much the same. So, we have the same mindsets, different gods, perhaps different sayings, spirits, whatever, but same,
[01:29:43] Unknown:
the same energy, the same Right. Like, he's he's a warrior, right? He's not like a pussy. He's just like, oh, now you're screwed. Now you, my belief system tells me now I'm going to smack your little ass.
[01:29:55] Unknown:
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right? These are slight boundaries.
[01:30:00] Unknown:
Yeah. For my principles and my value.
[01:30:03] Unknown:
He- And now you cross the line, motherfucker. That's it. Yeah. He believes we should be fighting. He believes that we, you know, that we should go to the gym. We should, you know, practice a form of martial arts because that's what Christ wants us to be. He wants us to be strong. He wants us to be that warrior like he was. And I'm like, yeah, dude. Do you get it? I mean, for me, that's that's Thor. For me, that's that's Photon, but, you know, same spirit, same same energy, same same warrior.
[01:30:37] Unknown:
I think it's a I I think that's a very nice one that, just just thinking about. Like, if if you're not prepared for so everyone listening to our podcast is is quite like fighting the system. You don't wanna be attached to the establishment, to the status quo, all that bullshit. You lead, call it whatever the fuck you want. So but if you do that, just like Christ, you have to stand up against it. That means you you could be beaten up. But if you prepared yourself by, you know, doing the survival stuff that you do or doing workouts or practice some some some, martial arts or whatever or or especially get some knowledge and some wisdom in your brain so you can, you know, meditate for hours, that's so powerful. Because if you wanna defeat the system, you have to defeat your own stupid, you know, picky yourself.
Yeah. Oh, oh, I beat the system. Let's see some Netflix. Uh-uh. I beat the system, let's get some Coca Cola and some pizza. Uh-uh.
[01:31:45] Unknown:
I mean, it's fine to, you know, the the system is is there. It's for for the time being, it's not going anywhere. That's why my belief is that, like, you can't defeat the system or, you know, you can't fix the system. The system isn't broken. It's designed that way. It's not a bug. It's a feature. So, like, my, my idea would really be like you have to create your own system within the system, or like really, just create your own system separately from it. So you can still live in society, but like, participate in the established system very minimally and preferably not.
So, you know, go back to the trade and barter system, for example. You know, the the old gods really coming back and making their presence known in Europe is already such a huge sign of that the system is failing. Because the church is the progenitor of the system slowly morphing into something else and, you know, we've become one and all being blocked, really. We're octopus, really. Octopus, hydra, multipliers, tentacles. Like, you know, the old gods are returning. People are seeing more and more or questioning more and more.
And if they're, you know, not seeing it or not questioning it, at the very least, so many more people are just kinda looking around, you know, seeing what else is there and then eventually they're like, okay, like I'm seeing things that don't add up. Mhmm. And, you know, like 9 to 11 was a huge thing for that for, you know, our generation, my generation. I believe you're you're a bit older. We you know, COVID was another one of those. Yeah. It was a very, very dark period. A lot of shit happened and we're still dealing with a lot of it. But also for so many people, and so many people that I've spoken to on on my show, like, that's when they they started seeing things. That's when they woke up, if you will, because they were like, hold up.
This doesn't add up. This, this isn't, this isn't right. This isn't the way to do things. Mhmm. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that? And there you go. Then the whole thing. And then you fall into the rabbit hole and you start discovering things. And You're not gonna crawl out. You're not you're not gonna crawl out. No, no. If anything, you're gonna fall down more and more rabbit holes. Right. Because if there is one, there are at least 3 others attached to it. Right. What's your favorite one? Oh, you know what? I am such a, a big fan of the, Tartaria mudflood
[01:35:15] Unknown:
Rav's Horn. Ask you that. I swear to God. I just wanted to ask you that.
[01:35:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I just there is there is something about that. You know? Cymatics, the the power of sound and vibration, star cities,
[01:35:32] Unknown:
Butt plug.
[01:35:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Just, you know, cities underneath the city. Like, you start digging it and you're like holy shit there's a whole other story of this building below ground. Yeah. So a 2 story building is now become a 3 story building just because it's been buried in what 3, 4 feet of dirt. You saw the podcast with Joe Rogan, with, Randall Carson and,
[01:35:57] Unknown:
ah, fuck. Randall Carson and Graham Hancock. I think they did 2 episodes, but it's, did they go about charismatic big events on earth that could be in 24 hours or 48 hours? But what happens is when you are archeologist and you're gonna dig dig deep, like like, say, I don't know what what what it is, but like 15 feet or whatever. You say, oh, that's that's the bronze. Oh, that's to this area. That's that area. But the deeper you go, there's one area that they say no go. No go. If you say that as an archaeologist, you you will be into the loony bag. You you're fucked up. Why is that? Maybe we can find a new iPhone from 3000 years ago. I'm not saying that we do. That'll be huge. You know, because you got staple of, staple, staple of layers that you see all rocks, you know, you see all these layers. What's down there?
What's I really like to look at the, that's impossible channel. Shout out to, James LeFur, which has like crazy things happening on Earth, but also like several topics, you know, about UFOs, aliens, whatever the fuck. Mhmm. It's so fucking fascinating to me. It is.
[01:37:21] Unknown:
And and the thing is in, in paganism, in Buddhism, in Hinduism, our timeline is cyclical. Mhmm. So it happens over and over and over again. Yes. And that's that's why we also find artifacts that look so incredibly familiar, but we find them like 30 meters underground. Right. They're like, but that means it was like so many 1000 of years ago. That doesn't add up. Like, they didn't have that back then. Oh, but they did. They did. We are not the most technologically advanced that we have been.
[01:38:07] Unknown:
Oh, no. No. We are the real, Neanderthalates. Neonotidus, like the real stupid monkey people, if you believe in Darwin kind of shit. But if you believe in maybe a little bit more advanced.
[01:38:22] Unknown:
Maybe. We we are advanced, but we are not in in the history of civilization, you know, let's say, like Hyperborea, Atlantis, like, all of that, let's say, you know, those cycles of civilization.
[01:38:39] Unknown:
Right.
[01:38:41] Unknown:
We are I mean, yeah, I guess you could say that compared to them, we're cavemen. Yes. We're we're we're as good as cavemen. I think like, we we think that, you know, the Internet and our computers and freaking smartphones or whatever are so advanced, and now we have AI and all of that. Yeah. You know, for us that may be advanced, but it's we're not peaking. We're nowhere, nowhere near. And that is also because we're still so focused on the material. So focused on materialism, and that's another reason why I so love the, charterer mudfluff, the eureka that also goes into, into cymatics.
The study of sound and sound waves and sound patterns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you look at one of my favorite example, like the big rose church, windows in in church that you see at the, you know, on the front with, just a beautiful stained glass windows. Afterdrawals and stuff like that. Yeah. Odd. I mean, just the the art in in church, like the stained glass windows, closing loads, that's so beautiful. The art is absolutely amazing. But they were not, that's that's my belief or part of my belief at least. First of all, they were not built.
Like, per perhaps we already we already had those. Perhaps they were already there. You know? There are people who say that, you know, if something is filed in 18 whatever you know it means that we filed it in that year. It's not like it was filed it like then we started doing that. It was like we filed it in that year. We're not sure about that But churches were healing centers through the power of Psychedelics like you have a big brass organ like actual brass were copper, and then the just a huge rose window with a cymatic pattern which amplifies it.
And that's I mean, I I do imagine when you're feeling that it feels like a you know, a religious experience, like you are being lifted up. Sure. I can definitely imagine that and then over the years it got perhaps bastardized or you know covered with like, oh that's God, oh that's Jesus, oh that's the the Holy Spirit. The source, as I prefer to say. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's funny but like you still have that trifecta, you know? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. The spirits still, still free. But, you know, the pagans are wrong for using that, but yet you can sweat. Oh, centuries.
[01:41:39] Unknown:
Centuries. I think that really, important to to call out, this Nick, Randall Carlson, because he said, what if we think like, okay, we begot the, if we have to believe the system, the mid ages, like the medieval, the dark ages. And since then, we developed a little bit more and more and more. We got horse and buggy. Then we have, in the late 1800, we have the Industrial Revolution. And now we have iPhones. We can connect to each other on on on screen. We can listen to each other. We think we're advancing 150 years.
He said, but what if there's a civilization long way before us that they felt that more than 500 years or more than 1000 years? What would they have? You know? That's so fascinating to me. Like, yeah. Yeah.
[01:42:38] Unknown:
I wouldn't know them. I mean, well, it's it's, you know, even like the, what we consider to be the ancient Egyptians, Shiloh Tyme and Cleopatra, and and you know those days of ancient Egypt. They already had people studying ancient Egypt. Right. Right. Because the like the pyramids, that's a fun fact that always blows everybody's mind. Cleopatra or, you know, the Cleopatra that that we know because, she wasn't the first of course that's, you know, like of the royal houses everyone like it's Cleopatra in the first and the second. But the Cleopatra that we know, instead of pop culture Cleopatra, lived closer to the invention of the iPhone than the building of the Great Pyramids.
Wow. So the Great Pyramids to Cleopatra, what we consider to be ancient Egypt, an ancient Egyptian queen, to her was already ancient Egypt.
[01:43:48] Unknown:
Wow. Can you imagine that, that you have a heritage as a queen or pharaoh, whatever? And you wake up and you see this building just like, holy shit. Yeah. Who made that? Oh, this is like 1000 of years old or 100 of years that we don't know.
[01:44:10] Unknown:
Yeah. So shit. I mean, so to her and, you know, the the, the Roman emperors associated with her, that was already thousands of years old, and they already had people studying it. Wow. That's that's that's a crazy it's a crazy fantasy. That is yeah. It's so incredibly awesome. And it's not it's not even, like, that big of a difference. I believe it's a a a couple couple decades or a couple 100 years, but still, you know, the iPhone and Cleopatra in, you know, the timeline, yeah, line, it's not a lie but it's a circle, whatever. Yeah. The timeline of history are closer to each other than Cleopatra is to the great pyramids.
Wow. Which is also really fascinating is if we're talking to my audience like the Americans,
[01:45:09] Unknown:
they don't have really something to hold on from history. It's not that old, it's like 4 50 years old, stuff like that. Dutch people went to New York and found it, Peter Stuyvesant. Yeah.
[01:45:22] Unknown:
Yeah. Columbus was I think there was he was in India, but he called them the Indians. But he wasn't in India. He was There was already culture there. I mean, like, even for sure. Even my even my people, you know, the the Vikings, let's say, they were in Canada, Newfoundland, I believe, like, 500 years or so before Columbus. Yeah. And there were already, like, kind of Viking artifacts in America before the first European settlers actually came there before Columbus was there? You know, us Northern Europeans were like, oh, yeah,
[01:46:00] Unknown:
been there. Right. And let's say, because, of course, we have the indigenous American people, which we call Indians now, which is a stupid word because they're not Indians, but the indigenous tribes. Even they have their stories about the people- 100%.
[01:46:15] Unknown:
About the people who were there before them. 100%.
[01:46:19] Unknown:
And if you look at, South America, that's like, I was there in Peru. That, the Aztecs, the Incas, that's like, wow, these are civilizations. You don't fuck around with them, and they're so big. They found an article of someone who traveled down the Amazon. And he found, I think it's like 60, 70 years ago. He made a, what's it? Like a book. Wrote down what he saw and stuff like that. And they passed by civilization of more than 2,000,000 people in the middle of the Amazon forest, right? So, he wrote that down. He was a traveler. And eventually, 40 or 50 years later, they found his book. And they thought like, okay, maybe it's interesting. We're going to find that one. So, they took his book, his, what's it, his diary or what's it called? So, they traveled down the Amazon. Nothing.
Nothing. Even with the spots that he pointed out, they found the spots, but they couldn't find any civilization. But now, I think it was like 10 years ago, they have new advanced technologies where they can fly over the Amazon with some laser stuff. They found the city, which could host more than 2,000,000 people. So Yeah. 50 to 60 years ago, you could find a fucking city, but now the Amazon has been taking over it. I was there in Peru. If you build a house, which you normally do of wood, right, you do it with wood or with with these, these roofs, these easy roofs. Yeah, or mud. For 4, 5 years, the juggler's gonna take it over. Yeah. You're not gonna have a house.
It's like, wow. Can you imagine what it does in 10, 15, 20, 30 years? Yeah. And like, you know, speaking of weird timelines,
[01:48:17] Unknown:
Oxford University in the United Kingdom is older than the Aztec Empire. What? Yeah. I believe it was Oxford University or one of the major universities. I believe it was Oxford. Wow. It's older than the Aztec empire. Well, and and They should be asking you messed up timelines.
[01:48:38] Unknown:
Yes. And a lot of people would have wanted to say about America, not not to be not to be offended or stuff like that. But if you come to Europe, and here nearby this cologne, there's a dome, the cathedral. Damn. When you see that kind of structure, you think like, holy shit. Well, really holy shit. You know? That literally that we got some cathedrals in Danbosch. I think we got one in Mesnilnicht. These are buildings like you feel that you're not alone. You feel that you are really connected to these swords. Let's call it these swords. Yeah. What I really love to do always, Stine, is when somebody says, oh my god, I ask him always, who is your god?
Which one?
[01:49:23] Unknown:
Yeah. No. It's yeah. Cathedrals are they're beautiful. I mean I I can absolutely admire the the architecture and and the arts and all of that. You know I'm not I'm not that kind of a heat and like I'm not a I mean, that's that's also kind of my problem with the, a lot of the neo pagans. Now we are, like, fairly new to the path. They're not necessarily pagan as they are just antichrist. Right. Because, like, the church hurt them or, you know, the the, you know, their religious group or whatever, like, they it it hurt them in some way, and they're like, oh, you know, fuck Christ, fuck this, fuck that. You know, I'm gonna be a pagan from now on. It's like No. No. Then then you're just doing it to, you know, like, give a give a big middle finger to Christianity. That's not what paganism is about, bro.
[01:50:26] Unknown:
For me, if I connect to nature and I walk in nature barefoot with my staff, with my, you know, I walk water, wear the skirt, like, things that I'm doing myself, look like a, I don't know, like a wizard maybe for some people, or like a wanderer. That's okay. But when I do that, I connect to nature. That's my true being. I can see on nature what's, you know, is gonna be autumn right now. Winter is coming, all that stuff, so we have to be prepared. I really can't smile when I see a butterfly coming up or or when I see some cows or whatever, you know. And connecting to nature for me, being in nature is the spirit of God.
The creator. Yeah. And- And is. Yes. And it is always will be and always will be. And for me, that's like, paganism is for me, like having a good time with friends, maybe drink a beer, make a bonfire, having great time. When you have the solstice, we have a barbecue that's offer fast. Yoda, have a good feast, have a good time. Maybe some of the drugs.
[01:51:37] Unknown:
It depends on, depends. No, I mean, you know, as long as as long as you keep it, you know, you keep it nice, you keep it clean, you keep it simple. 100%. Respect other beings. Exactly.
[01:51:48] Unknown:
It doesn't matter where you're from, as long as you got respect back, fine. Exactly. If you go into my values or you skip them or you fuck off my belief system in my, intentions or my, my, yeah, my values don't cross that way.
[01:52:08] Unknown:
No, exactly. And that's such a core value of at least Northern European paganism, Germanic wars. It's respect, respect nature, respect your fellow be your fellow beings, you know, not even fellow humans but fellow beings. Mhmm. Because you know, animals are still so incredibly important. I mean I got 2 cats and I mean, I I I love them to death both of them. But if they cross a line, if someone crosses a line, let them know they crossed that line and make sure that they don't do it again.
[01:52:50] Unknown:
Right.
[01:52:51] Unknown:
So, like, it's not the, that's the pacified Christ. No. Not not not the passion of Christ, but the pacified Christ. Right. Right. Like, to Warrior. The other cheek wise, so he can slap that one as well. No. Right. If he slacks 549. 242. Well, I yeah. But in in equal in equal measure. Right. Right. You know, like, if you if you punch me in the face, you're gonna you're gonna get punched back. I'm like
[01:53:22] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not like, oh my god doesn't allow that. What? Simple as that. You know? Like,
[01:53:29] Unknown:
violence begets violence. Yeah. Sure. But, you know Yeah. If someone slaps me in the face, I'm like, I'm just gonna be, peace be upon you. No. Fuck off if you slap. I'm I'm gonna punch you right back. Yeah.
[01:53:42] Unknown:
What's that, what's one of the of the most, beautiful things about paganism in your opinion?
[01:54:01] Unknown:
The the strength that you can gain from it just internal fortitude internal strength because our our gods our forefathers our ancestors, they are these incredibly strong people, incredibly strong gods. I mean, like, hell, Northern Europe, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Germany, it's hard living here. Especially Oh, yeah. In, like, autumn, winter. It's hard living, so you gotta be you gotta be strong. You gotta be Yeah. If you have no shelter or you're gonna die. It's it's easy peasy. Yeah. You don't have to No shelter, no no warmth, you're gonna die. Yeah. You're gonna yeah. You're gonna freeze to death because nature nature doesn't give a shit. No. You know? It's like you take care of yourself because if you don't I mean, sorry. Tough luck.
So, you know, you don't have a shelter? You don't have a fire? Well, better find a way to keep warm because I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it for you. Like, it's cold. It's gotta be cold. Prepare. So, yeah, just the the strength and the the the yeah, the the fortitude that I I myself have managed to to gain from it. Like, I I definitely wouldn't wouldn't be as strong or as resilient as I am now if I hadn't found the gods, if I hadn't found the ways of our ancestors. I would absolutely still be, not necessarily be lost, but still be seeking, still be searching, trying to hold on to something that, you know, gives me that stability, that can provide me with that strength.
[01:55:55] Unknown:
It's funny that you say it because, one of the things I say to my Christian friends is, I walk around in nature, I show you God. My God, my gods, I can show you them, fertility, fire, or like thunder and storms and stuff like that. Odin, the old father that keeps an eye on it. If you walk in nature, I can show you my God. The God that you have, which is a beautiful one, is not God. The pure one. Yeah. Yeah. So so so you you you you you you're talking to the wrong thing. So the and the funny thing is I have, I I think this is podcast 79 or 80. I lost count. But, a lot of people doesn't don't don't matter where they're from, what they believe.
They all have the same thing. Like, God, for me, is like the source, like, like, the divine being, the creator. It's all the same. It's all the same. I think, from my perspective, it will there's a source, like the ethernet, right? So what we're talking about right now, it's only information you can get your data on. Yeah. You got the old father. For me, it's the old father. It's not like one father that can kick your ass, only with multiple. It's like your brother, your sister, or whatever, they can put you to the spot, you know? Yeah, I mean,
[01:57:25] Unknown:
our gods are divine family, if you will. They'll take care of you, but, you know, you also have to take care of them, you have to take care of yourselves, and if you cross the line, you're gonna get smacked. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And they they don't hold back, you know? They're not gonna just take your hands and be like come on Charles, you know, walk walk this way, come on, come on, no, it's like just fucking walk and if you, you know, stray off the path we're gonna try and and nudge you back onto it But if you refuse, if you're gonna, like, walk the wrong path or next to the path or just get lost in the woods, good luck. You know? Right. You're on your own. We tried.
Yeah. Success. If you manage to come back somehow, we'll be here, but you clearly don't want to listen. You have your own ideas. You think you know better than us. Good luck. See if you do.
[01:58:27] Unknown:
Right. There there are a lot of people thinking like, oh, the vikings, these are pagans. And I think they're not. I think vikings were like, a period of time that they were doing this thing, like the viking thing. But before that, there were pagans, you know, living, people living across the land and having, some animals, and, you know, living off nature.
[01:58:51] Unknown:
Very, very often, but that's, you know, thanks to pop culture, of course. Vikings are pagans. Pagans are Vikings. Yeah. They're they're one and the same. While actually most of the the golden age of Vikingry was when Christianity, already had a major foothold in Europe. So, yeah, they probably were pagan. They probably were still, you know, heathens living on the land of the lands, no polytheistic, but not not all of them. One of them.
[01:59:33] Unknown:
The big the biggest group of pagans lived in, Estonia. I didn't know that too. I I have to figure it out. Maybe I'm wrong because it's Google. And They were really the ropes tried to fight them, but they they lost every single battle. Yeah. No. Yeah.
[01:59:48] Unknown:
Estonia, they were, the very last ones to, to be converted. And I believe there was probably was it, like, the 1300, late 1200, early 1300? So, like, well into or, like, even at the end of what we know to be the, the middle ages, the dark ages, they held on for a good, good, loyal time. Latvia, Estonia, those, like, those countries, they are and they still have that, very strong folk religion. Like, it it has always been strong. Right. And just so incredibly beautiful.
[02:00:39] Unknown:
I think there are a lot of people if they have to choose, like if you can choose religion, that they go into that lifestyle. Right? A lot of people from cities in here in the Netherlands, but I think especially Europe, oh, I just wanna have my own crop. I wanna do my own vegetables and stuff like that. Well, that's paganism. Be careful. That's paganism. But there it is they ask such a bad word to it. Yeah. You know, there there's so many
[02:01:05] Unknown:
yeah. And it's it's I mean, it goes both both ways because, you know, Christianity, of course, like, it got a foothold first in the major cities because, you know, everyone acts together hardly any, like, real nature to speak of. So you were already kind of removed from your guts you know, the mayor and all the wealthy people were, of course, in the cities. And if they have the backing of the church, hey, you know, that's power. We like power. Right. But you know the people living on the land, living on the land, off the land, you know they were still like literally close to our gods, close to the land spirits, you know, the Fae, the, you know, whatever entities may be out there, they were still among them.
So they were the last ones to either give up or convert. And that's why I love the, like the last part of the story of King Radbat from Phreesia. You know, when he got the choice, convert or die, literally. You know, it's like, okay, so if I convert, will I see my ancestors again? Will I be with my family again that you have so bloody freaking slaughtered? No, you will not because they are in hell. If you convert and you die, you will be in heaven with people like us, you know, the good kind.
[02:02:49] Unknown:
Arabs, Arabs, yeah, yeah.
[02:02:53] Unknown:
And then he basically said, you know what? Then I would rather be in hell with my family and my ancestors than in heaven with bastards like you. Oh, sure. Day, every day a sloth. I'd rather be dead than a slave. Wow. And they didn't take that too kindly.
[02:03:15] Unknown:
Hell to Odin.
[02:03:18] Unknown:
Yeah. And I think, like, that is such a powerful statement. And that's, you know, that's why his his story lives on till till this day. It is the stories through which we know our gods, through which we know our heroes.
[02:03:36] Unknown:
Right. Do you think that paganism is nowadays a growing new kind of
[02:03:45] Unknown:
way of life? There is a pagan revival happening. Absolutely. You you see that more and more because people are getting very disillusioned with the system, very disillusioned with the Church. You know, the major religions, at least, you know, here in Europe and kinda America since they, used to be Europeans. We gave them freedom. Look what they did. Never should have given them that, that freedom. Yeah. That's true. Or they fucked it up. Oh, for sure. Big times. Big times. Yeah. Without any lube. No lube. No. Just fucked it
[02:04:35] Unknown:
up. Oh, no. You're just hanging again.
[02:04:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I just know. Yeah. Just, you know, bite the pillow, I'm going and trying. But, yeah, I think because of the dissolution and everything that is happening in the world, so, like, so many changes and bad changes because, you know, there was already a system in place. Now a newer, even worse system is trying to be implemented. And, you know, like, what's what's the one thing that is always there? Who are the ones that are always there? Our ancestors and our gods. They are the ones that we can always fall back on because they will always be there.
And whether you think that, you know, the gods are our ancestors or that they are gods and our ancestors are separate from each other, it doesn't matter. They will always be there for us. They will always help us and be there for us when we need them. And I think, I do believe that more and more people are seeing that, are realizing that, and are seeing that the system isn't reliable. And that, you know, there Yeah, the system works, but for the people who either created a system Mhmm. Or the people who sold out to that system. But then, you know, you gotta have some real skeletons in your closets, some real Oh yeah. Some real dirt. And that's the only way that you can make it. So you have to, I mean that's why they say, you know, sell your soul, not literally selling your soul, but selling your core values, selling your honor, you know, to become rich, become famous.
Materialistic stuff. Yeah. You know, the things that are- False idols. Yeah. Things that are perhaps great to have in this life. It makes life a lot easier if you have, you know, a big house, couple meal, couple meal in the bank. It makes life more comfortable. Mhmm. Not necessarily easier, but definitely more comfortable. But you're not gonna take it with you. Like, wherever you think you're going in, you know, after you die. I mean, the Egyptians tried it and then, you know, they got robbed of it, unfortunately. Right.
So, yeah, material gains, cool. Only useful as long as you're still living, which is why the, the old Rockefeller had 6 heart transplants.
[02:07:35] Unknown:
Oh, shit. Yeah.
[02:07:37] Unknown:
None of them killed him? No, unfortunately. I mean, he did eventually die a, a few years ago at the ripe old age of 101.
[02:07:49] Unknown:
Wow.
[02:07:51] Unknown:
But yeah, 6 heart transplants.
[02:07:56] Unknown:
Diane, we we have a great conversation already. 2 hours in, we we can deep dive into some of these topics. We could, but we I think that would be good to do a part 2, 3, or whatever. Yes. Where do people can find you?
[02:08:13] Unknown:
You can find everything that we do with the Greyhorn Pagans, the Greyhorn Pagans Podcast, The Growth of Odin, on our website, www.greyhornpagans. Com. We we we that's Greyhorn Pagans. Mhmm. All the the links are all there to the to the podcast, to our main main group, to whatever else our our members, our core members love going on, because, you know, connecting the tribes, connecting the communities, connecting the people with each other, you know, So, yeah, just go to our website. Everything is on there, including a contact form because I know there are people who, who have questions or that there are things on the website that they, you know, that they don't see but do want to know. Right. Send us an email through the contact form on our website.
Goes to my inbox directly. I'll answer as soon as I can. And if you need more answers, join our group. You know, join our group on our Telegram. Follow me on, on Twitter or Minds or whatever. Everything is right on the website. We will be happy to to help. We'll be happy to answer questions that you have, help finding your find your path, finding your answers in in life, whatever it may be. So ww.queryhorpecans.com for everything.
[02:09:43] Unknown:
Right. Stan, thank you, fellow human, for your time and your energy to put this episode out. Hail to Odin for my time. Right?
[02:09:55] Unknown:
For sure. For sure. Thank you for having me, man. It's been, it's been great. I mean, 2 2 hours, 2 plus hours, and we have so much more.
[02:10:04] Unknown:
Oh, yes. And we will, we will. Because I just went back from Peru. I didn't have a holiday for more than 4 years. I went 2 weeks just like off grid, in the jungle, doing some ceremonies and stuff like that. And, found myself the warrior again, so I'm ready to rumble again. And there definitely will be more of this kind of stuff, because it's not only fascinating me, it's my kind of life too. And, yeah, it fascinates me. It interests me. We just have a basically a great time. So that that's that's also what what would counts. Right? Yeah. Absolutely. And there there are so many rabbit holes that we touched on, but haven't gone
[02:10:46] Unknown:
into Yeah. Yet. Lea, we can, I mean, we can sit here all day Oh, for sure? All night, probably even. Just, you know, get some snacks and get some drinks, and we'll do this all night.
[02:10:57] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're gonna do that we're gonna do that later. For all the listeners, I hope you really enjoyed this episode. And no matter where you are on this beautiful plain earth, have a good day, a good morning, or a beautiful night. Bye bye. Ciao ciao.
[02:11:20] Unknown:
Chau. Motherfucker.
[02:11:55] Unknown:
Dreams. He's a plane in the ass. Black as a night, god showed me light. He's a plane in the ass. Black
Introduction and Host's Peru Adventure
Interview with Stein Fokas: Paganism and Mysticism
Getting to Know Stein: Personal Preferences and Beliefs
Deep Dive into Paganism and Its Modern Relevance
Challenging the System: Strength and Resilience
The Revival of Paganism and Historical Insights
