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Welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions! In this episode, host Rob engages in a captivating conversation with Eric, also known as the Swedish Freemason on TikTok. Eric, hailing from Sweden, shares his extensive knowledge and experience as a Freemason, having been involved in the fraternity for over 12 years and researching related topics for over 40 years.

Eric discusses his journey into Freemasonry, which began with an interest in conspiracy theories. He explains how these theories initially sparked his curiosity and eventually led him to join a Masonic Lodge. Throughout the episode, Eric sheds light on the misconceptions surrounding Freemasonry, including the idea that it is a secretive society. He clarifies that while Freemasonry is discreet, it is not secretive, and emphasizes the importance of trust and moral values within the fraternity.

The conversation also delves into the historical context of Freemasonry, its rituals, and the significance of degrees within the organization. Eric addresses common conspiracy theories associated with Freemasonry, such as its alleged involvement in global events and secret rituals. He provides insights into the origins of these theories and the impact they have on public perception.

Rob and Eric explore the broader implications of conspiracy theories, discussing how they can influence societal beliefs and behaviors. They also touch upon the role of Freemasonry in promoting personal growth, enlightenment, and a sense of community among its members.

Throughout the episode, listeners gain a deeper understanding of Freemasonry, its values, and its place in modern society. Eric's passion for dispelling myths and providing accurate information about Freemasonry is evident, making this episode both informative and thought-provoking.

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Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby.  

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What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for   the law.  

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You can, eventually,   subscribe to me or   get to the web shop where there's a lot of merchandise available.   It's TeePublic   disorganized   shop, but you will find a link also in the show description.   Yes. And when you wanna talk to me about all the topics that I cover or you wanna be a guest, please reach out to me,   disorganized   [email protected].   Ladies and   gentlemen, Thal Heumann,   welcome to another episode of Disorganized   Productions.   Today,   we have a very special guest.   His name is Eric.   He comes from Sweden, and he's also known as the Swedish   Freemason   on TikTok.  

I followed him a while while he is walking,   in Sweden. And he answers a lot of questions, which he can answer.   And some questions   are not be answered because, hey, it's a Freemason. Right?   So, please   welcome to the show,   Eric.  

[00:02:38] Unknown:

Holly.   It's getting a bit foul.   It's insane there. Yeah. Thanks a lot.  

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I could've had a tag on the new ads.   Sorry. There's a little bit of lack. So,  

[00:02:52] Unknown:

so,   yes, thank you for the introduction there.   So well, I think   how to start most people that probably have been following me knows   pretty much what I'm doing.   And I'm trying to try,   I'd say disperse,   soloing conspiracy theories surrounding Freemasonry.   Also trying to give a background to them,   to where they appeared first and what people what type of people or groups of people it does affect usually.   So I've been   doing this stuff, like the research for over 40 years.   I'm 55 now.   I've been a freemason for 12 years.   So, yeah, you could say that the the conspiracy theories brought me into freemasonry,   actually. So that that's like,   it's a it's a good   effect,   one of the few good effects of of the conspiracy theories, I would say, in that case.  



[00:03:57] Unknown:

But, yeah, I don't know. It's quite simple, actually. So Right.   So it was because of some conspiracies that you thought, wait a minute, there's a lot of links   in the past about Freemasonator.   They are behind everything.   And,   probably you just add to something like, okay, I'm going to investigate some stuff.   And wow, this triggers me to   you know, go into a Masonic Lodge for the first time and to meet the people there, and to see if you are,   well, welcome and you could get into the club. Right?  

[00:04:33] Unknown:

Oh, yes.   I think that   one of the first things I realized very, very is   quickly I mean, I've been reading,   mystics,   mysticism, occultists,   theology,   religions,   euphology,   all kinds of weird stuff since I was,   you know, 11, 12 or something.   And,   I do remember, like, the librarians usually ask me, are you sure you're going to borrow these books? Because they're like grown up books and stuff like that. But, yeah,   I was kind of a special kid in those days. But   Freemasonry popped   up in the most,   I would say, strange,   places,   where you didn't expect them to   to pop up, like   alien ancient aliens. Well, you could see Freemasonry was involved there, and it was, what? Come on. I'll be trim.  

So,   yeah, my interest is good. I got woke very early.   And,   fast forward,   like, 40 years,   a a good friend of mine   turned out to be a freemason,   which I didn't have any idea about. And that was like,   we usually have, like, very good conversations   and discussions about, yeah, mystic stuff, like policeman stuff.   And of course, we started to talk about Freemasonry, and he was like very smart and said, I'm thinking, you know, I'm seeing cool ideas here. So,   after a couple of months, he actually said, well, okay,   I have to confess that I am actually a Freemason. So   alright. And that's when   I realized, oh, okay. If this I mean, good person,   very much loved by   all the neighbors and the community. If he can be a great mix, and then in that case,   I don't see, like, any obstacles for me to actually apply to become 1. Right. So that was, I   think, 13 years no, 14 years ago. So,   so, yes.  

And the rest is history, as they say.  

[00:06:52] Unknown:

Because,   the funny thing is a lot of people say, Oh, Freemasonry, it's so secret.   But you can visit a lodge. There are a lot of activities   that's been, involved by the lodge, like parties or whatever that you can get a card from. I was listening to a podcast the other day,   about a lodge in, I think it was in Canada that invited, like, on Halloween, the special activities and stuff like that.   So, how secret can it be if you have a building that you can visit? You can ring a bell.  

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Right? No. No. Yeah, exactly. And also, I mean,   we don't   hide, for example I mean, you can   it's it's nearly impossible to to not stumble upon a a large building in any town because we have, like, these big big flags. And, you you know, the address, it says freemason the freemasonic order on the on the facade and stuff like that. So, but the I mean,   so you yeah.   We're not   secret. We   are discreet, I would say. And there's a good   reason for that as well. So I mean, if you've been reading Masonic history,   I would say Masonic   social history,   you soon realize that we've been a target   for like for many years. I mean,   the first   conspiracy theories here in Sweden actually started like, I would say 5 years after Freemasonry started here.  

Like Freemasonry   started 17/35   in Sweden. And you got the first   pamphlets and newspaper   articles   like   1740,   1745   because people didn't understand what was going on   there. So it goes a bit hand in hand, really.   And also the discrete   idea is that, yeah, we've been persecuted   every now and then, especially   in times of turmoil, for example, during war wartime and everything like that. So,   and   people have a short memory, I could say,   because for example, here in Sweden, we are   yeah, we are known to be   secret or discrete.   But the thing is that before 2nd World War, we did have,   public marches on the streets.  

We have public events and everything like that. But during the World War, the 2nd World War,   there was,   especially here in Sweden,   I would say,   quite a lot of undercover,   Nazis   collecting names for not not not only for Jewish people,   but also for,   other type of people   being contra to Nazis,   especially Freemasons,   church   people. I mean, yeah, quite a lot of different organizations.   So   and   the funny thing is, for example,   I think   25 years ago or something in my old hometown,   they actually found an archive of   the huge names   that have been collected by 1 of the yeah, the Nazi collaborators,   before the   war. So this list was from,   I think,   1936   or something like   that. You have a lot of Jewish names, but you also have a lot of freemasonies and you have a lot of people from the the state church and everything like that. So   so I mean, already there.  

So, yeah, it goes a bit hand in hand to be discreet. So it's like   ebb and flow of,   some years after the war. So we   try to   be less   discreet. But   I would say   here in Sweden,   I don't know. Yeah, we are still a bit discreet. We don't have public marches and stuff like that, but we do kind of like open houses every now and then. We invite people into to   look, yeah, have a look into the lodge. This   launch room.   This is like,   for the public also.   So if you visit the Grand Lodge in Stockholm,   you can visit this as a non mason.   Wow.  

So, yeah.  

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And you're a 6 degree? Yes. You're   a master Mason?   Yeah. Yes. How many? Well, there are 33 steps. And I was just telling you that, no, there are more or less.  

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So then that's also   a very common misconception about Freemasonry is that, yeah, you as a 6 degree, you don't have any idea what's going on because wait until you get to the 33rd.   But the thing is, the 33rd degree is an honorary degree inside something called the Scottish Rite's independent body,   which is, you could say, like a DLC to video game. It's like an add on.   And so you could say that in science frequency, the highest degree is always the 3rd degree   master patience. Nothing overtrumps   that degree really.   Okay.  

So,   if you're a mastermation, you are a freemason, period.   It doesn't matter what appendant bodies you you go into or,   what different degrees you get into in those   append bodies, you are still a master mason,   which means that, for example,   if I   have a 6 degree in the Swedish system, will   visit   a launch in England or United States, that is run by a worship master who is a 3rd degree.   He could actually kick me out because, yeah, he's like still at the same level as me. So there's a but,   yeah. So the misconception   about the 3rd degree   is very stubborn.  

It's been around since,   I would say pretty much   legal taxile hoax, the protocols of the elders, the learned elder Zoom, William Guy Carr, you have David Icky also that repeated this. So it's like it's all connected to pretty much 1 or 2,   scripts that just yeah. Had a lot of   weird ideas about free mystery.   But you could say that any appended body, it doesn't go above the third degree, it goes sideways.   So everything   is sideways. You're still at the same level   as a 3rd degree. It's just that you get some more-   I believe it will look at the meta.  

Yeah, more explanation.   It fills in some blanks on your map. It gives you perhaps,   yeah, the analogy   with a map is pretty good, I would say. You could imagine Freemasonry being,   like a map. You're going from point A to point B, but you don't know exactly how the road is going to wind   above and you don't know if there's like   a a gust of holes on the road there or if it's Right. There is a sightseeing spot or anything like that. But you do know that the travel would take you from point a to point b.   And the point b is when you're a master mason.   But then you have, like, the whole area to to survey   and try to figure out, okay, is there more things around here point b? Yeah. This is these are the appendant bodies or the   higher degrees.  

It's also common.   So   Swedish freemasonry is a bit   different, but I will say we don't have any pendant bodies. We continue   straight into   what's called   the high degrees, which is actually a bad name because, yeah, they're not higher. But   common language is, like, at higher degrees. But,   so instead of having Scottish right where you have the the offended body or the York right or anything   similar, we are a progressive right that continues. We don't cite the same Swedish word system   on Freemasonry.  

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Mhmm.  

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Which also,   I would say could be a bit problematic because if I talk to,   for example, as a 6 degree, if I talk to   a 18th degree in the Scottish Rite or a 30 second degree in the Scottish Rite, I have to figure out   if they have,   you could say, the same   level of knowledge   that I have been given through my degree.   So there are conversion charge and stuff like that, but that's usually something taken care of by our secretaries because they know exactly.   So, yeah. Right. That degree talks about this and that. I mean, this degree talks about this and that. So   yeah. But, so to conclude, you could say that the 3rd degree,   the honorary degree is like   receiving a gold watch for   a good long job,   helping the community and also helping   your lodge   as a freemason.  

And it's   worked in   approximately   5% of freemasonry.   So today we have, I guess,   approximately   2,300   holders of the 33rd degree,   globally   out of 6,500,000   Freemasons.  

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Wow.   That makes   a lot of difference because   a lot of people think, oh,   something's popping up like the moon landing. Oh, Freemason, 3rd degree.   That's first, Crowley.   They connect the dots.   But of course, there are some rituals   that will be performed when you have a degree, like texts, stuff like that.   And of course, not everything   can be public. It's same in,   like, football club. You have people that are willing to football and some people that are probably criminals or having a bad attention about this club that they're in. We got it everywhere in the whole world. And of course, it's the easiest way to point that out,   because   this premasonry has something going on, something misting, and stuff like that.  

You told me about, told us about knowledge.   Yes. Did you add a lot   of questions   when you entered? Were you telling about the mystic and the occult, maybe the esoteric and stuff like that, geologic,   that you,   get the answers from the lodge where you're in?  

[00:17:48] Unknown:

Well,   I mean,   everything inside Freemasonry is in in the open, really. It just you have to figure out a way to to find it.   And I would say if you go to like an ordinary decent libraries today, you can find   everything   that is inside Freemasonry.   And that is everything. I mean, even   all different,   appendant bodies, all different types of rights,   and old systems,   different systems,   actual systems, stuff like that.   Because most of it is like you have like,   as it's theology.   It is a lot of theology inside Freemasonry, even though it's not a religion. But there is a   very,   I would say, firm base of theology.  

And you also have   philosophy.   So   about, you know, Des Aglaives,   Plato,   John Locke.   I think   yeah.   So philosophy, old philosophers, you have a lot of ideas that   so so   and you also have like the the the esoteric,   which we don't like to call esoterics   really because   people say, oh, esoteric, oh, evil.   It's like when people are talking, saying rituals, oh, rituals are evil. But no, they're not evil. A ritual is like a theatrical play repeated   over and over again, teaching you   a lesson.   So you could say that the Freemasonry is a melting pot of   out of the Enlightenment era.  

So I mean, the Enlightenment era started like in the end of 1600s,   kind of.   Probably, yeah, 16 50   and up to   18 50, I would say the enlightenment, the actually enlightenment era. And that was when people,   started to,   I would say,   ask themselves, okay, what's real? What's our purpose?   How badly, like, improve as people?   So I would say freemasonry is definitely a product of of the enlightenment error. Mhmm.   And also,   I mean, yeah, that sounds pretty good. I mean, why should why should we keep that to ourselves? And that's also one of the most common questions. But, yeah, if you're after helping the society, why don't you, like, open it up and,   like, give all the people that knowledge?  

But that kind of contradicts the the the the base   one of the basic ideas that Freemasonry   might sound a bit   stupid, I will say, but Freemasonry is exclusive.   You're supposed to feel a bit special when you are voted in because you are always voted in against.   The reason   is that, okay, you're not supposed to feel special about, yeah, I'm better than everyone.   Mhmm. But you are supposed to feel special because   yes,   these people actually trusts me that much that they want to accept me into,   yeah, their brotherhood.   Right.  

So so it's   like   that is   probably the first step in self improvement, seeing that, wow, people actually trust me.   If we so that's like the quantity, sort of the quality instead of the quantity.   That's like a very,   I would say,   a bearing idea that   you know that you're a part of something that actually accepts you for the good person you are. So the first step is actually, it's helping you,   I would say,   that's the first step in self improvement, really, that you are trusted.   And I could say also, for example,   the secrets that we have, which aren't very secret, is private information.  

It's tiny, tiny, tiny secrets.   If I can I could probably tell them   here on this podcast and people that look at the podcast and podcast,   say that   that wasn't interesting?   What is he talking about?   But the point be the point behind them is actually that   if I   if I give a tiny secret to a good friend of mine,   anything like,   yeah, I have like a small, I don't know, ailment,   small disease or anything like that, but I tell him in trust.   So, yeah, my friend, I have this problem. Please don't tell him that once.   And then you go into, for example, he used to been alive on social media, and you drop in there, and you hear him talking that, yeah, well, you know,   this Swedish freemason, he he he told me this, like,   yeah. Could you imagine, like,   how silly?  

And the thing is, would I   trust him afterwards? Because, yeah, it's a tiny, tiny secret,   but he   told it to everyone.   Right. Would I trust him would I trust him like later on with   bigger secrets? Or would I trust him to   actually be   a proper friend of mine? So that's that's actually the sorry.   Tangled.   Yeah.   So that's actually the purpose of the private information there.   It's   mundane, really.   But   it's a matter of trust. I would  

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say. Right. And I think that it's good because every club   needs trustable   people in it. It doesn't matter if it is like a football club, a motor club, whatever.   You need to have your,   what's it called, your manners and the way that you treat other people   on the same perspective.   And, of course,   there are some people involved that   have gained   power or knowledge in their lives   that are in a Freemasonry   that could share some insights with you so you can develop and grow as a person. Because   enlightenment is, I think, one of the biggest things that a Freemason wants to, like enlightenment in life.   So, basically,   questions to everything that   you, or answers to everything that you're questionable, right?  

But there also are some things, oh, my internet   is killing me today.   But, maybe you saw that. But   it's all of a sudden, it's quarter to 7. It's almost pitch dark   outside because we are gonna get some, heavy rains and stuff like that. So that could be also the reason. It's wet probably. But what I wanna try to say is,   I don't know if it's a hoax or not.   And, please, Eric, be free to answer the question or not.   Are there,   rituals that you have to perform   and oaths that you have to make   that when you break the oath,   it could cause your   death?  

No.   There aren't?  

[00:25:19] Unknown:

No.   The oath that you're referring to is an allegory.   It is I mean, yes, the oath is an old   it's an old history.   And you've probably been reading it online. I mean, there's   a lot of there's a lot of different variations of that one. But   the thing is, it is told   in the lot. I mean, that's no secret either,   as a means   of   telling you the importance   of actually yeah, keep these   tiny secrets.   The allegories is like,   if I tell someone outside it, you know, your tongue rip and all that stuff,   still an allegory.   It tells you   the significance   of   your trust. It's your   I don't know how to put it.  



[00:26:16] Unknown:

It's a value of your word. Yeah. If you can trust another person, right?  

[00:26:22] Unknown:

Yeah.   So everything boils down to trust and morals.   The moral question,   if you are a trustworthy person,   so can you like   can you understand   it's like the question   you get asked, can you understand this old oath? Can you understand the meaning of it? Yes.   But we are not going to do this because, of course not. We're not savages.   That's like Right. The rest of the speech,   not not word by word, but the meaning of it is like, yeah, we don't do it like  

[00:26:57] Unknown:

Right. It'll be like this. But, yeah. Is it true that there are some,   different launches that have several other rights and other meanings to the rights?   Because   normally, it wasn't allowed to have women   in a lodge.   But I   was searching the internet for some information. I think in England there's now a women   lodge where you can enter only as a woman.   Yes. Which is fascinating, of course. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.  

[00:27:28] Unknown:

But the the the thing is, like, yeah, so you have,   2 lodgers in United Kingdom that is female only.   But but the interesting thing is that   even a lot of freemasons   forget the fact that freemasonry   has been,   there's been females in freemasonry since   1750   ish.   So very early.   Mhmm. By different reasons, for example, eaves   droppers and, and, yeah. There's like stories that, for example, some women   accidentally   listened to to,   the launch work, and the Masons found out, and they, like, okay. What what should we do now? Well,   let's initiate her. I mean, she already knows everything, so what the heck? But   then you also have   other different systems called, for example,   coal masonry.  

You have Les Dwas Humaine, which is   like   yeah. It's called masonry.   They mix women and men inside of the same lodge.   They   are not recognized by United Grand National England. You can say that   a free mystery is   every launch, every country, every state in the United States are sovereign.   They govern themselves.   So there there's,   no   grand lodge,   wherever that can tell. For example, the Swedish grand lodge, you are supposed to do this and that. Please do this. And the Swedish Grand Lodge said, no way.   Not even the United Grand Lodge in England.   But what they do is they keep records   of   something called the lineage.  

So every Grand Lodge has to have a lineage   from United Grand Lodge of England.   Okay.   So so the Le Dua, humane and coal masonry, they are created by   defectors from Free Macery that started,   Coal Macery that yeah. They figure out, well, we can start our own grand launch and accept women in it.   The great the United Grand Lodge said,   No, well, sure. Go ahead. But we're not going to recognize you. Right. You're not actually a free race to worry about. You may work. I mean, that's also one of one of the the,   I don't know, problems or   or strange Reception.  

Yeah. Strange strange things about Freemasonry is that,   even co masonry works with exactly the same principles, the same values, but they're not recognized because they   kind of break one of   the traditions.   Freemasonry is male, period. That's tradition. So,   they break that tradition. So unfortunately, we can't   recognize   them. Right.   But I do have   friends that are members,   So female friends are members of of of Maisuri.   I can't discuss Free Maisuri with that, but I   could definitely discuss like anything else   with them.   But at all, it's not Freemasonry.  

And is it true?  

[00:30:53] Unknown:

I think it depends on the lodge. Some say you have to be 18 years old. Some say you have to be 21 years old.   But I think   in total, you can say that you have to be a Christian   to be a part of the lodge. Is that right,  

[00:31:11] Unknown:

you think well,   you could say the Anglo American Freemasonry, like   international   Freemasonry or or what do you call,   what's the word? Streamline?   No. Mainstream. Sorry. Mainstream. Mainstream. Freemasonry.   Yeah. You have to have a belief in the Hari deity,   creator.   Okay.   So usually   some of the major world religions, Abrahamitic religions, or   it could be   a   Sikhist,   I think, Buddhist. And   so, yeah, some in some of the Indian   religions as well. So right.  

[00:31:53] Unknown:

So, Oslas, Christians,   Jewish,   Aramaic,   they are Allah. And does it have to do with the quest for the enlightenment? Because   if you are willing to know that there's a deity above you, like a power within or power above,   Yeah. That you,   easier,   get the answers to the questions that you have, and that you can also   have the   same level   of studying? Maybe that's a good word.  

[00:32:28] Unknown:

I think, I mean,   well, yeah.   I think   the first idea there   would be that if you're that   open   that you can actually acknowledge a higher deity,   to yourself,   then you are open, to freemasonry as well.   And and I would say,   freemasonry doesn't give you,   I would say,   a different view on your beliefs or anything like that. We never bother with   your beliefs. So   you have to have a belief that's good, but otherwise than that, we don't care.   Right. That so so,   it it has actually,   I will say,   some origins for   for example, if you say the Freemasonry is created   during   a time where   when a person wasn't a Christian, he was, like,   considered   a   heretic,   a person totally without a moral compass.  

Mhmm. So so, I mean, for example, in ancient Europe   during 15, 16th century,   if you were if you weren't Christian,   you weren't the person to trust.   Simple as that. Right. So so   that is, like, one of the reasons that today, Freemasonry   considers   yeah. Without   I would say, sure, time has come   forward. But   the basic idea is that   to enter free ministry, you must be a trustworthy person,   meaning that you have to have a faith.   That means you are a trustworthy person because   you have a moral compass from your beliefs and your faith that you are a trustworthy person.   So   it's like,   say for example, Grand Orient,   different type of of Masonic system,   have that requirement,   which means they are   unrecognized as well because they go,   they they move from   the actual   basics of freemasonry there with with the,   the requirements of of the faith.  



[00:34:50] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:34:51] Unknown:

But, yeah, they're doing they're doing quite a good job as well, but they're still not Freemasons in our eyes. So and   to top it off, you could say that, for example, the Swedish system of Freemasonry   actually requires you to be a Christian,   nothing else. So it's open only for for Christian people.   So just weird  

[00:35:13] Unknown:

sorry. Eric, just briefly. Do do you hear the rain?   No. I can't. Okay. I don't know if the microphone's gonna pick it up because it's,   hell breaks loose.   We have very warm weather also in Sweden. I should took a walk this week. It was very warm also.   With walk comes a lot of, clouds and stuff like that.   But, when you still can hear me, we we just continue. But I hopefully   hopefully, it's gonna take like a few minutes, and then it's gonna fly over.   What I find very fascinating is when you look at Christianity,   for example,   there are a lot of branches   with other perspectives,   how they,   interpret the Bible.  

Well, let's say, the last decade that I'm willing to   listening to a lot of things like Christianity,   Judaism,   Islam,   the Quran, whatever. Just like, okay,   these are some truths that   I can embrace,   but there should be something that's   within me. Like, I've got   particle in me.   And I think for myself that,   the story, for example, Jesus Christ, is one of the stories that I can go through as a human.   I can get a hold on it. I can grab it like, oh, I'm going through a very   difficult time. Now I can read something   how someone   dealt with it, and that name was Jesus Christ.  

And I think darkness   and light, which is also fascinating with the floor of the Masonic Temple,   is the duality   within ourselves.   Exactly.   And I think that, and that's what's really fascinating me, because   I think a lot of people are interested and fascinated by the term of Freemason.   But just like I said, they don't know   what it is. And they got so much propaganda   around the internet, what it could be, or what.   The towers of 911, that was free masonic because of the 2 temples and stuff like that. Well,   what's your take on   the light that   shines on Freemasonry   is so   different than what you describe to us as listeners?  



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Well, I think   people has always   wanted   a simple answer.   We we are simple   we are simple animals. We want a simple answer.   And if someone tells you like, yeah, well,   this happened because of a solid ritual.   You knew because you know Freemasons are a bit mystical, right?   That's like   the basic idea of a conspiracy theory. You bring in some tiny bit of truth   like a Trojan but you use it as a Trojan horse to to bring in like the   the   greater lies there. So,   Freemasonry has always been a target because it's been a bit mystic, a bit,   I would say, unknown to many people.  

And   it's like   if I say something   weird, like,   convincing,   I mean,   if I'm sure if I'm look sure or appear to be very certain about something and tell you that, yeah, this   actually happens.   Trust me on that one.   And then you go like, well, yeah. Well, he said it. It it sounds correct.   So it's a matter of, like, we're only human. We're animals.   We want to believe in a simple answer to complex   questions. Mhmm. So and we're also a bit xenophobic.   We don't like   You can hear the rain now. Yeah,  

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it's it's it's going bonanza.   It's really like   this is a big, I don't know if you can see that it's a big storm. I can see China to China, it's like, yeah.   But it's, like, pitch dark now. It's hall past 9 7. So   and I'm I'm sitting here on a glamping site where I do my podcasts,   and people are sitting in tents.   So, hopefully, when this is over   Well, it doesn't look that over in a few seconds, just to be honest with you. But I   would say a few years ago,   luckily they can't manipulate the weather. Well, who guessed 1?   What you're trying to say is  

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Yeah. We Freemason   manipulated it.   Yes. But yeah. I so   but it's it's very it's very simple to to to play in Freemasonry. And and it's like   we're an open goal, really. We haven't defended ourselves,   I would say, vigorously.   It's always been like, yeah, well, it it will pass.   And I would say inside 3 Main Street, it's always been like, hey, well, let them play on. That that will pass. But we're seeing lately,   a lot of conspiracy theories are actually   damaging,   not only us, but other groups of people as well that,   it's usually like,   say, for example,   yeah, the the protocols of the learned elders or zeal for some, that that is,   aimed at   a couple of certain groups. Freedom Institute is one of them, but you have, Judaism and you have also Catholic   church,   which is a target for for for those conspiracy theories.  

And we see, for example, a lot of people are repeating   stuff from the protocols   that either blames Freemasonry for something or blames Catholic church for something or blames Eudice for something.   We see it's hurt it's actually hurting people.   So so it's gone it's gone from like just being   a play with words   to actual,   actions against people. So for example,   now 2 years ago,   American brother who was killed   by a person who was   convinced that Freemasonry   dealt   witchcraft.   So   we're very, very sad to see it. So   and we'll see   an increase   in   violent actions against   our lodge buildings,   a lot of spray painting and broken windows and stuff like that. Right.  

Burglaries and stuff.   And   if we if we ask the people that why are you like blaming Freemason for this? Well,   someone said it and I believe it because that was a very good   argument.   Yeah. When it started   digging into the argument, yeah, but do you even know where that argument came from from the very first beginnings?   No. I really don't know that. But it suited my narrative.   Right.   It's like that was a very good answer to to the questions I had that explained pretty much everything.   So it's like,   and that's also one of the reasons I I started reading a lot of the conspiracy theories because I was like a searcher myself, a seeker. I wanted the answers.   So   and I I remember still today that   that Eric von Daniken,   the ufologist,   I just devoured his books like, Wow, this is so cool. Like, Hey, enjoy aliens, ancient technologies,   and stuff like that. And then later on, I started to figure out, hang on a sec.  

Yeah. He did lie.  

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He lied me. That was his theory, which is theory,  

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right? Exactly. So he made off a lot of things there, so. What's your favorite conspiracy theory?   I would say I'm still into to ancient aliens. So so because some things are extremely hard to to   deconstruct and I would   say   deconstruct and explain.   Mhmm. So there there are, like,   I would say   10   let's just say you have 10 evidences   of ancient alien theory.   9 out of them is   easily explainable. But there's always one that, I know, it's like, right,   that doesn't, like,   make any sense at all. So and it's like the this this one tense there that actually kind of   tells me that, yeah, there's rubbish helping going on there and about   but people are like   I mean, for example, let's say David Aikie that has spread a lot of the series about Anunnaki,   Enkil and Lille and all that stuff.  

I'm an avid sci fi reader. I've been reading sci fi also   like forever.   And I was like, hang on. It's like, I recognize what he's talking about. And it's not from   like,   like theory books or it's not from the research books.   Hang on. No. This is actually sci fi. So he's been submitting   an old writer called Silksin.  

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Oh, yeah. Wait. Shit. Did the tablets, right? Probably heard of it. Yeah.   He did also the clay tablets, the translation?  

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Yeah. Yeah.   So the cell cell screen,   and   that's like hang on a sec. It's c for kids.  

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Do you wanna share your screen?  

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No. Not yet, but I'm trying to figure out. So Silchini   is a,   a sci fi writer.   Ron, what the heck?   And he's   he began, I think, early 1970s   writing about, like, ancient aliens,   that's where, Enkil Enlil Anunnaki comes from. That's from his MOOCs.   Uh-huh.   So that was like in the back of my head that like, I recognize that, but that's not   for research. That's sci fi. I'm going to check out  

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when Erich von Denningen had wrote his book because it got it right here.  

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Mhmm. Whereas Yeah. I think the first one is 6 or something like that. Right.  

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Got too many book. No. Not too many. You never have too many books.  

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Jose, I I was a bit   no. Exactly.   So I was a bit disappointed   where when I started to, like, figure out that.   Yeah.   I mean, I love that.   Chariots of the Gods, 68,   actually. 68. Exactly. Yeah.  

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But it's fascinating how   some   people   tell their plausible truth or their theory and people say, oh, this is it.   No, these are theories. And I think,   And I think,   especially when you talk about aliens,   if you look at the other word like extraterrestrial,   that means extra land.   I don't think   with the knowledge that I have now,   oh, now the internet is also,   hopefully you can understand me.   With the connection nowadays,   I don't think we went to space   because there's something that we can go through in my perspective with the knowledge that I gained for the last couple of years.   But I think there's   lands that they've been hiding from us   since,   well, since quite some time. Because we were,   traveling around the world with boats and stuff like that, like the Vikings did in 800 AD, and stuff like that. So there were travelers who   spent land.  

The Dutch,   the VOC went to India,   whatever.   But I think that they want to   they created something like, we are in a very small world. And just like this, something can hit like an asteroid, or we could get killed by aliens or whatever, just to keep us dumb and controlled.  

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Hello. What? I mean, yeah. I I I've I've seen   so, yeah, I I've been   reading and researching   so much about, like   it kind of all connects   goes around, you know, the idea about Tartaria,   the Great Reset,   the ancient civilizations,   and also Flat Earth. It's like it came   loosely collected.   But if you look at   it, it's a very modern theory, really.   I think it's probably   seventies   that people started, like, coming up with these ideas, starting out, and the earth is flat.   Right.   So so I actually   started to   to figure   out why did people start leaving,   like, the land beyond the walls, for example.  

To my so this is my theory. So this is a method theory about the conspiracy theory about the flat earth and the great wall and everything like that land in between land   after that.   Because in the seventies, you started to have reports about our environment,   that our environment   isn't going to collapse if we don't do anything properly.   And you have   a lot of people say, well,   no,   there's no danger with the environment because there's more land,   like,   after the wall. There's no need to be worried about this, the environment, because   the government is hiding   the fact that there's more land. So we don't   have to care about the environment really. So that's one I want one of the ideas that and if you look into it more and more, you see that,   yeah, there's a lot of people believing in   the great dice wall and stuff like that. And they usually are avid,   yeah, against   the idea that there is environmental   catastrophic common coming.  

Mhmm. So that's my my take on that, the conspiracy theory. So it's kind of   a meta   conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory. But the more you look into it, you see that, yeah, it does make sense because those people don't believe in   environmental   science. They don't believe in, like, science   overall. They just, like, say, no, no, no. That's just trying to fool us to to believe in what the government is telling us and stuff like that.   I would say that   I'm 55 now and I've seen   with my own eyes, for example, insects are   declining.  

It's been a great decline in insects.   You   actually have to have like   a trailer   with a bee beehives that you move around nowadays.   Right. Because bees are nearly extinct,   because of the environment. It's too hot. Is that because yes. Yeah. I heard that. Yeah.   So is there there's   yeah. So there's a lot   of, like, signs   and and stuff there telling us that, yeah, well,   we we are kind of up Schitt's Creek without a panel.   Mhmm. But still you have a lot of people saying, well,   doesn't matter because the the hearse is flat. There's more land   beyond the icefall. Right. The government can't stop. Yeah, that's true. Which you can't Which you can't pro relay. Well, exactly. What's really fascinating about that topic is that you see a lot of ancient maps from several  

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cultures.   They point out that there's a flat realm with a shield on it, with a dome above it. Of course, in Christianity,   in the Bible,   it's said that God created the firmament.   I don't want to go too deep into that, because   it's theories, right?   We don't know. It's like   having   a podcast with William Duffy, who is willing to go into Antarctica   to prove that there's a 24 hour sun.   So he said, so we can prove that the earth is round. So I said, no, you prove that there's a 24 hour sun.   Because when there's a 24 hour sun, it doesn't make any sense that we are here in the Netherlands, don't have a 24 hour sun, or a 50 or 50, you know, 16, 12, 12 hours, 12 hours. How about the rest of the beer? Because   with one question answered, it gives me a lot of more questions.  

And, of course, it's very interesting. And   are these topics, Eric, that you talk about with your fellow Masons, with your brothers,   about these kinds of stuff, like conspiracy that you talk about it, or theories?   Well,   we  

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so so I have I have held lectures about conspiracy theories,   concerning   well, touching Freemasonry.   Mhmm. So so,   we have after work nights every now and then. And,   if we don't have, like,   beer testing, we have someone speaking about, yeah,  

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general subjects. Now I'm in. You're talking about beer testing. Now I'm in. Exactly.  

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So we we combine, like,   yeah, tasting some beers, and someone is talking about the subject, And it could be pretty much everything.   Usually not,   politics or religion because we try to stay out of that. Good. But we can we can discuss or have a lecture about pretty much everything. We have had, like,   a lecture about,   tying ties, for example. That was extremely interesting. You would be surprised on how many different types of ties there is. Windsor, the double Windsor? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always But anybody has. Yes.   Oh, yeah. Exactly.  

So but anyway,   I held the lecture about, like, very common   conspiracy theories.   And that way, that became   a very   vivid discussion because, I mean,   even though we are freemasons, we are people from all different levels of society.   So we're not like homogeneous   group in that sense because, I mean, we have people,   that are like   white collar,   blue collar. So I mean,   from every level,   some people actually believe I mean, there are no free muses that believe the earth is flat.   Mhmm.   Of   course.   And there are people that believe,   about ancient aliens and stuff like that. So so, I mean, there there is a lot of different, like, beliefs   outside the the religious beliefs there and stuff.  

But we   so, yeah. Yeah. We do discuss every now and then, because we're just a series, but mainly out of a,   I would say,   how to figure out,   can we counteract   a conspiracy theory? Should we go out with a with a public   response to this or that?   Or should we just, like,   keep it quiet and hopefully   people will get to their senses. And I'll just understand that, yeah, this is definitely a conspiracy theory. Right.   So but   so far I would say, nah. We we   we try to stay discreet anyway. So that you will not find   a public,   release from   any   launch or grand launch about conspiracy theories. Mhmm.  

But we have had, for example,   public responses to   to,   for example, when the church, Swedish   church, at the end of the seventies,   approached the Swedish   system of Freemasonry, the grand laws, and said, yeah. We have priests that are members in your,   fraternity.   We   want to know if anything is like contradiction to to their beliefs, our belief system.   So the Swedish Grand Lodge   invited   a delegation from the Swedish church.   I think there were like   12, 18 people or something like that   at the end of the seventies,   and invited them to go through all the degree works,   during the week or something.  

So they they went through, like, from the first degree up to the 10th degree in the Swedish system.   And after that, they   wrote a,   a communicate   I don't know the   communicate   communication   paper and well,   official statement from the Swedish church that there is nothing inside   the Freemasonry that contradicts   any person's beliefs or faith   when it comes to Christian beliefs or so, or any beliefs   whatsoever.   So that that's one way.   And that came from,   I would say, a lot of discussions about conspiracy theories event. So so about   otherwise, I mean,   we are like people or like   anywhere. We discuss   family,   football,   the weather,   our jobs.  

We discuss   other masons. How   have you heard about like brother John? Yeah. He   fell and broke his legs. So, yeah, we should send him some flowers   and stuff like that. So   it's a lot of, like,   trying to put a finger on   on how do you feel   very much. So   And it's the oldest  

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fraternity club   in the world?   Maybe.   Well, well, that's what why Wikipedia  

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said so. Far. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. So   it's one of the oldest, at least. So so I would say   so so as a researcher,   I get, like, access to to a lot of old stuff, which is kind of cool,   but also a bit frustrating because it's usually written in French or in German or English.   Hopefully, it's English, but,   old English very often. But we we've   we have,   some documents from   13 mighty   that talks about something that could be a masonic ritual.   And there's also even a document from here, 900, that maybe talks about something that could be a Masonic ritual, but   we're not sure about that. Right. But you you have actually,   another fraternity,   free gardeners, which is supposedly   even older than Freemasonry.  

It's fairly unknown, but   that's what they are, free gardeners.   They're actually gardeners in gardens.   I think   maybe coming from the monks   back in year 600 or something like that.   Yeah.   But   all in all, I would say that we are old,   and   we try to survive   as long as possible. Right.  

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And do you see,   deflection or affliction of members throughout the years? Like when something happens like 911 or stuff like that, that there are low numbers   getting in or people getting out?  

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Well, I mean, there's an in natural inflow,   outflow, I would say.   Freemasons get old, they pass away. So, yeah, that happens.   You also have,   brethren that loses interest.   That happens as well. So they just say, no. This is all for me, so I'm I'm gonna quit. Okay?   Have a nice life. We're gonna miss you.   You have people,   members that,   get a new job,   a different time,   or the family needs them more and more. They've got a new child. They don't have time for for lunch and stuff like that. So they they quit.   So so all in all, I would say it's kind   of it's balanced a little. There's been a decline,   I think, the last 30 years, at least here in Sweden. But we've seen,   I would say, the last 10 years   increasing interest,   mainly because   media   has helped us. So I So from what God's not helped. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So there there is,   some Swedish   evening papers that   that when when they don't have any specific news to share, so they just pick some old stuff from from the archive. And you it's usually like, this is the one of freemasons in Sweden, the secret ritual, blah blah blah blah. So they they run they run it, yeah, once a year, usually.  

And lo and behold, we actually see an increase in applications   a week or 2 weeks after that.   Also, you had,   Swedish Television made a a documentary,   like a digging documentary about Freemasonry, which was, like, a lot of incinerations,   and all facts or anything like that. But Right.   We we saw an increase after that. And that was 2 years ago, for example.   And I would say overall,   the last   5 years, 5, 10 years maybe, we've seen a slow   but steady increase of applications,   actually. So and that that   is also, for example, in the church, you see   an increase in   looking for,   I would say,   yeah, actually   becoming church members because this,   I mean, historically, you usually see that there's an increase in   churchgoers   when there's bad times coming.  

Yeah.   So so   maybe   people in general, like, you know, like   the the subconscious   tells them that, yeah, you should seek something.   Something to believe in. Exactly.   So Yeah. That goes to be yeah. Have faith. That goes hand in hand because   the church,   I wouldn't say it's connected to Swedish Freemasonry, but since you are,   you have the requirements to be Christian,   we see that   a lot of young people   join the church and after a while they actually   start thinking about Free Masonry.   I don't know exactly why, but so, yeah, all in all,   slight   increase, I would say. So and,   yeah, I'm biased. And when I'm saying that the Freemasonry is much   is very much needed today because it's a refuge from,   a more and more stressful world.  

And it's like if you say that   going into the launch is like making a time travel to early 1800.  

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Wow. You So And I think that the Free Masons,   eventually were the builders   of architecture.   That's   why, I think 3,   well,   Wikipedia describes, one of the rides, when you get entered into the Freemason, you go   to the master mason,   and you have the compass, the square, and the book.   The book depends on your belief system of which Abrahamic   belief system that you have faith in, right? Yes. Yes. So, and then you have, like some kind of ritual.   You're blindfolded,   and with a rope around your neck, you got to get into the   Sorry?  



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Maybe?   May it depends, probably.   Maybe. Yeah.  

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All right. But,   it's really interesting that,   when you talk about Abrahamic   religions,   so let's say, for example, Christianity,   It's been written out. You can search it for yourself. You can go to a priest, which has maybe another interpretation   of that what's been written down.   And of course, the perspective of what you read and how it goes into you   as a soul.   What fascinates me about Freemasonry   is that it's   only a little part of it,   that there's more   like a brotherhood. I   think when you see a free Mason,   a masonic temple,   it has a lot of things,   for me, that I'm interested in than in the church. The church is, of course, also with symbols,   a lot of symbols.  

People can point it out when I'm sitting on a podcast like this, Oh, that's a Freemason   symbol,   or this, or stuff like that.   You deal with so many things. There are so many things you can say, oh, look at that, look at that.   But what's the good truth, right?   There are, though,   Mason,   Masonic   handshakes.  

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Well, yes.   We don't use them because   they're like so   we we can go back to to the original, the operative freemasons,   that were so   a short story to try to,   like, yeah, recap.   Yeah, we come   we're quite certain we come from the the operative stonemasons that we're working on cathedrals and church and whatnot.   And   so you had, like,   every working place had a lodge,   because   that was where you met up. You were assigned today's job,   what you were supposed to do,   and everything like that. So it's pretty much the same fitting going on today in the speculative   lodges.  

We we are working   in a way,   but we're not building like physical stuff. We are building ourselves.   Right.   And also   a lot of people wondering, yeah, but what about   Freemason? Why where does that word come from?   What is a Freemason? What is the meaning of the word? So a Freemason   was a master Mason that was free to roam   between different building sites. He was a master mason. He was brought in to to the to,   the decorative stones,   like, you know, crests and stuff like that. Right.   To so   for for for the work leader to actually   be sure that, yeah, is this person a master Mingsen or not? He, you know, extended his hand there. Yeah. Give him the shake of a master Mason.  

And if he failed to do that,   you could say, yeah, you're not the master mason. Go go away.   You're not gonna get paid like as a master mason.   So that's the background to to to the handshake stickers, really.   So instead of like you didn't have any identification   card with your photo on, That was like the old the only means you had to to actually be able to prove that you are a master mason. You had to give the handshake of a master mason. So   so that's   yeah. So but it's,   say,   very open history. It's very, very well known.   And it sounds like,   as a Freemason, when you see people saying, yeah, this and that person or president   or   no,   the   famous person did a masonic handshake on stage, it's like,   come   on. That that was like   someone fumbling,   doing like a sloppy handshake. That was not a mess on handshake. That was someone that was very nervous and,   like,   yeah. That's not a messed up handshake, first of all.  

So so it's like it's getting sometimes just   yeah. That's ridiculous.   So yeah. And we don't use Handshakes because we have,   member cards today that prove that we are Freemasons. So   Oh.  

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Does it open doors for you when you are   into Freemasonry? Like the context that you have, the   network   with people that you have, like,   okay, I can do something for you. Or,   you're looking for a job and then someone says, hey, wait a minute. Maybe this is something for you?  

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Well, I mean, just as much   as it does, like,   if you're a member of the golf club or anything like that. Right. It's just connections and networking. Right? Yeah. Kind of. But we also have   quite strict rules and regulations that you're you can't   gain   personal   like, you you can't gain any any personal benefits from being a freemason.   That's not the purpose of being a freemason. In that case, you, like, lost the whole point. Yeah.  

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Life goes above, right? Yeah, exactly.  

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But I mean, for example, I've been unemployed since New Year.   My brethren knows I'm unemployed and they say, well, I'm sorry, but maybe   try to   contact that company. I heard they're looking for new people.   That's the help they can give and that's the help I will expect to to get from them. Right. Because I I would be worried if   if   if if a brother   offered me a job. Yeah. I can give you a job.   Okay. But,   well,   does   that,   like, make someone else,   like, jobless,   unemployed?   Or what's the reason that you are going, like,   going to do something that is, like,   I would say,   nearly illegal   just for a brother. Why why do something like that?  

So that that's like the the more question again that,   if I, as a a CEO of a big company, said, yeah, I'm gonna give him a job.   That's a bad thing to do even if you're not a Mason. But if you are a Mason and you do that, it's like, oh, hang on.   That's Right. Not how that's not not moral   just,   so that's also,   yeah,   a thing there.   So, I mean, usually we have,   we have people joining Freemasonry every now and then, because   they think that   they're gonna get, like, connections for the business or like, yeah, stuff like that. They usually quit after a while because they realized that, yeah, this wasn't like the proper fraternity. They go to the Lions Lions Club or Rotary Club instead, which are   associations   aimed at business connections.  

Right.  

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How long does it take to be   a Freemason? And   can you say in the highest degree or just like a master Mason?  

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So well, it depends really on the system, I would say. For you could say that the in American free mainstream,   from 1st degree to 3rd degree, it could take   something between 6 months to maybe 2 years.   Oh,   wow. Maybe sometimes longer.   Some   other system have different times. Swedish 3,   it took me,   I would say, nearly 5 years from, 1st degree to 3rd degree.   And you could say that,   take for example,   the pendant body say Scottish Rite. You can go from,   4th degree up to 32nd degree,   in a week, for example.   Wow.   Here in Sweden,   we usually take,   I would say, approximately   15 to 20 years before you reach   the highest   level.  



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And is it like when you're studying something that you're going to have to perform like a test?   Or that you're going to get questions that you have   to make the right answers?   It's like an exam?  

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Well, I could say that   you should have knowledge about what you're doing.   Mhmm.   Let's keep it that way. So,   there might be questions, there might be so. But the the thing is,   you never do anything that   you dislike.   Right. That's the point.   You never go into there's no hazing. There's no, like,   slapping your behind with paddles or,   making you uncomfortable or anything like that.   I would say everything inside FreeMind Street,   whether it's   raising you up in another degree or just going to   the lodge,   gives you warmth,   a sense of   belonging there, a sense of brotherhood, a sense of love actually,   between yourselves.  

So anything I would say there's a lot of   misconceptions about hazing, rituals, and stuff like that. That you are like,   I don't know,   blind drowned,   that you are put down, meaning in a bucket of water or something like that. Or  

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A a lot of  

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stories like that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like hanged, killed. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Gang, dang,   you name it. Yeah. Yeah. It's all Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But so the so I mean,   for for example, today, we have 6 and a half 1000000 free basins,   globally.   There's   been 1,000,000 before that.   Right.   If we were doing like   that weird stuff, there would have been, like,   riots on the streets more or less because people would say,   I'm not going to do that.   Right. So so, I mean yeah. So sometimes sometimes the the the fantasy   is like,   please, come on. Right. That just doesn't happen.  



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So And good. Because,   of course, a lot of clubs have their secrecy or stuff happens. It doesn't matter what club you're in, side   stuff   or   whatever.   And   what I really like, side stuff, or whatever.   And   what I really like about Freemasonry   is, first of all, that   the misconception.   Because I like to dig into that then more, and I want to see the symbol, like the 2 pillars, the sun and the moon,   the old sketches.   He has a lot of knowledge to gain about that. It's not   like the dark side or   the enlightened. It's like everything is dark and light. Come on. There's duality in everything.   There's duality in the age.  

And just like I said, I think the quest   for me,   maybe   I'm on a path on Freemasonry   for my own quest of questions to my life,   and to,   develop myself as a better being,   and develop myself as the best version of myself.   When I do that,   you come across   a lot of questions that you have for yourself. Like, who am I? Right?   Well, my name is Rob. Yeah, but that's not who I am. That's just our name.   And,   what's really fascinating is that,   the connection to   the belief system that you said that you have to be a Christian or a Brahmic   system believer. So you have some kind of  

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any other any other religion, actually. I would say as long as you have a a creator in your   religious belief because   the creator,   the creator is very important.   And you could say that why does it have to be a creator? Well, because you can't worship a creation.   And that and that that like, you know,   Luciferians, they will worship our satanists   and the similar can't become freemasons   because they're not allowed to be Freemasons.   Right. The system doesn't work for them. And that's also like   when you read a lot of conspiracy   theories saying, Ah, Lucent Faronism   and Freemasonry is the same. And it's like, no, it's not. Not totally, totally.  

I wouldn't say it's not even the opposite. It's totally different things.   Freemasonry's philosophy.   Luciferianism   is like self yeah, a kind of self improvement. Yeah. If you read there are different types of luciferianism,   of course. But   I would say the basic idea there is   a kind of self improvement. Yes. But   that's the belief in yourself.   One of the beliefs we have a belief in in,   something higher that helps us to to improve. So that's the main difference. So,   so,   yeah. But,   so so   you could be a Sikh. You could be   a Deist.  

You could be so I mean, envy any religious belief that has a a sacred text   and a belief in a creator   can be a freemason,   period.   Wow. Except except Pastafarians.   They're they're still not.   Still not.  

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That's too bad. Oh, god.  

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Sure.  

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Pagans?   No. Because they believe in multiple gods. Or is it something like,   oh, they can they can enter a lodge because they have believed in a creator like Odin, the old father?  

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Oh, yeah. Pagans can are there's a lot of pagans that are Freemasons.  

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Wow.   Wow.   Now it interests me more to   to go for   you caught probably of the beer.  

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Yeah. Exactly.   The beer testing and the discussions there. Yeah. Well, no. Also about,  

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it's like a romantic   kind of thing. It's like I will   never say never. I will not be a part of a motorcycle gang. But   the way they live, the way they act as a brother ship, and stuff like that,   that's why I would   join   like a motorcycle. No, yeah, yeah. Well, not a gang, but a club. Let's say a club, because a gang sounds   like very   bad, you know? Yeah, yeah.   I wouldn't go well, I go to church to,   let's say, for when somebody   died, I go to a funeral   to give my respect.   I'm not doing the rituals because I think there's   something perverted in the way the   church is   giving you the information about Christianity.  

For me, it's   a franchise copy.   But   I do really believe in the creator,   which has   been misinterpreted   in several scripts, and people,   look at   the wrong words and the wrong meanings of that what there is.   Just like I said, I think I got a God particle within me. And when I embrace that I want to do podcasts and stuff like that, I really feel like a high energy is lifting me up,   and it's besides me.   And the more I go into nature, when I connect   to God for myself, I talk to the ether, which connects every thought that I have with every,   word that I say.  

And I can choose for myself to light in the dark. And I prefer the light. So that's the enlightenment I'm looking for. And   when I went in that path,   things start to happen in my reality   that are so   good for   me, either like, things that I can manifest now   better because I'm closer to that source,   to that Infinity Source.   And, yes, the creation of nature,   that's a creation.   But there will be and there should be a creator that created it so we can   walk in the Garden of Eden and see   how life is basically with the seasons, with   the sun and the moon, with everything around us.  

That's  

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what I really like.   Oh, yes.   No, I mean,   the   Yeah.   For me, for example,   I've been reading a lot about Manakist,   Manches, and   Gnosticism, and Agnosticism,   and   Martinis,   Mitrais, and all all kinds   of different types of   religious movements and stuff like that. But,   at the end of the day,   Christianity suited me perfectly because   I mean,   I pretty much lived   so the thing is, I lost my faith   when I was young because of something called the Tbilisi   problem.   Mhmm. I don't know if you heard about that, but   it's,   you could say in short, it's about   if God created everything, he also created evil. Why exactly?  

Mhmm.   That's the you could say TOTC problem in a nutshell. Why does he,   like, let bad things happen?   Right. Yeah. So card.   Yeah. But he works in mysterious way, but I couldn't, like   yeah.   Accept that answer.   Now when I'm a bit older, I see some ways different. I would say, yes.   But all in all, I would say   the Christian message, like, you should be nice to each other, period.   That's what Jesus said. That's what Jesus said on the cross or, yeah, before the cross,   but   And apparently also the reason that he was put up on the cross because people didn't understand his his ideas there. And   that that goes hand in hand, I would say, with,   freemasonry. But it's not necessarily freemasonry. It could be, like, any   could be helping out with a soup kitchen, helping out with a community service or something like that. But   it's,   I would say, more interesting for me to be a freemason, to be amongst   like minded people   that has the same goals, the same   general ideas, but have so much   different knowledge to share with me.  

If I   go to like the church,   it's usually   the same type of people. They have the same   right thoughts, the same the same thought frame, the mindset that's typically the same mindset.   But if I go to the launch, I will sit next to a car mechanic on my left side and the CEO or a very big company on my right   side. We are discussing, like,   yeah, interesting stuff. We meet we meet at a level. You could say we are all at the same level.   That's definitely the power of Freemasonry.   We we really don't care what you do outside   the lodge, but inside lodge, you are exactly the   same level.  

You probably heard being on the level   in in masonic terms there. So that's the point of it. Our  

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Sorry. Just like,   the background that you have, it's beautiful   the people that are listening to this podcast. It's beautiful,   temple   like,   very big building with beautiful Marmor pillars,   golden chair with blue,   the black and white floor.   Are all lodges,   kind of like this way?  

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No.   No, no, no. A lodge can look   pretty much   any way, I would say.   Usually, the lodge has,   some common things.   But, I mean, if you look at American lodges,   it's very seldom. They it's   wall to wall carpets, a blue wall to wall carpet or something like that. Right. So so the the the checkered floor is   not that very common, I would say.   It's more uncommon than common, really.   And we borrow that from the church anyways.   Impressive. Yeah. So   if you go to   a priest,   you should go to a priest and ask about the meaning of the the the checkered floor because they're give they're gonna give you,   a proper explanation.  

And it's it's gotta be the same explanation as we give to it. Right. And, you know, it's more of a relative to Yeah. Mind your steps.  

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Mind just oh, good one.   Why the blue?  

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Blue is a a royal color, really.   So it's called the,   what is in English?   Royal blue?   Yeah. But,   freemasonry has always been known as the royal art   in a way.   And that comes actually it's from alchemy.   There's a slight influence from alchemy there. So if you've been reading alchemy, you know that alchemy is also   known as the royal art.   So there's, of course, there are influences   from alchemy as well. Not that much really, but,   Several takes from a lot of things that are fascinating to a lot of people, like alchemy, like,  

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religion. Yeah. I think it's really good that you don't talk about politics or religion   within the Lodge.   I just made a TikTok,   thing that   when we let loose our   indoctrination about our belief system,   where we were born, what color that we have, what religious that we have, what kind of political ideas that we have, When we cut that loose,   we're all humans.   Exactly. It's like you said, if you wanna   spread love, give support to each other,   connect to each other in a righteous way with respect,   we can change the world   like that, but the vision,   divide and conquer, even with the propaganda   going on,   to the Freemasons,   to,   no, then it's the Jews, then it's the Muslims. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. All these people do not want that divide and conquer.  

The powers that not should be,   they want us   to debate   at the moment of war to that, stuff like that.   100%.  

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100%. And I would say it's   exactly what you say there because, like,   some people don't like   when people agree.   That goes against their, like, I would say, general idea there, unless they agree with what they are saying. Mhmm.   So so for example,   you could say that,   fundamental Christians that I I usually call them like a new   Christians   somehow because they use   they use the the the religion as a means to bash on other people.   They use religion as a weapon, really. Really. Mhmm. Like like an excuse to to demonize   other people.  

And I think that's the worst usage of   any religion that you actually demonize other groups of people instead of actually following   what the religion   tries to teach you. Mhmm.   And so   I would say,   if Freemasonry has an enemy today, it's not,   You would probably say that, yeah, the Catholic church is an enemy to Freemasonry, but it's not really. They don't like Freemasonry because of misconceptions.   It's not Islam.   They some people in Islam don't like free masonry,   but it's not still any   bad things going on there, but   the most hateful people you'll find actually in fundamental Christianity.  

So that's like   the people that   they can't actually accept the Freemasonry,   because we're trying to,   I don't know, be friendly to anyone.   Right.   So yeah.   And it's also   I I can probably talk about   the the concept of   conspiracy theories being spread amongst different groups,   that they believe in. And they don't even understand that   that specific,   conspiracy theory is actually aimed   them as well. Mhmm.   So take a very good example is for   William Guy Carr, owns in a game. I don't know if you ever heard about this book, but he he wrote a book in the fifties,   demonizing,   well,   Freemasons,   Judaism's,   and Catholic Church.  

And you could say that you will find probably   90%   of today's modern   conspiracy theories against Freemasonry in that book. And there's a lot of people,   repeating those conspiracy theories, especially,   online with me.   The funny thing is that if I ask them, well, okay, I see that you have that opinion there. Are you a Catholic? And they say, yes, I am a proud Catholic. Okay. You do realize that that ID that you just said there comes from a very anti Catholic script.   Right. And they say, no, it doesn't. Oh, yes, it does. I can show the page exactly the page where it said exactly what you said. And I can also show you the next chapter where it actually demonizes Catholicism as well.   Wow. And they go like, well, no. You're a liar, a deceiver.  

And that's like,   sorry.   You you display cognitive dissonance there. I can't help you. You don't like the answer because,   yeah, it's not suitable to you. So it's it it's   like cherry picking   so much.   And all in all, you could say that,   yeah, 99 point 9% of the conspiracy theories today comes from   a handful   of different writers.   So it's slightly connected.  

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Yeah.   And I'm part of that too. Well, not part of that, but   I like it when someone has a different kind of   look at things or a different theory than   we know.   And why? Because I think we should always question everything.   We need to find our own plausible truth where we can say, Okay, me as a human, as Rob, my name is Rob,   I think this and that because   of that and this. Is   it   molded in gold or   cut in stone? No. No. Because when I do that, I put myself   into a box which I can't open. I should always   have the time to open it and to talk to people like you and think differently. When   I when I cut it in stone oh, no. No. This is   this is this is what it is. And I think that's a   problem that we have in the world, that a lot of people are, this is how it is.  

There's no way to the left, no way to the right, or to the center, or whatever.   I will stand by my belief system. Okay.   Yeah. Let me show you the other side. I'll question some things that I'm going to tell you about. That's what really fascinates me. Oh,  

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yeah. Yeah. Definitely.   So, yeah, I mean, yeah, man, that's the that's   pretty much my   because they were   comfortable. Yeah. Like, they they gave me a simple answer to to   as I stated complex questions, and it was really comfortable. It was like, yeah.   Sorry. It's getting a bit dark. I have to put on the light here. Yeah. No froth.   There it is. Yes. There we are. I'm tired in the dark, you know.   So so I wanted to believe in the Cosmere series, of course. But I was   maybe too stupid to actually just buy them. I just had to figure out, okay, where the where do they come from? What's what's the purpose?   Right.  



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That's really interesting, because I'm still into some of them.   And I think that some of them,   it could be proved.   But the thing is, if you're looking for a red car, you will find a red car. Yeah. Yeah. That's correct. Here I am. And so parodola  

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is my rat   is definitely a thing. If you're looking for patterns, you will find patterns, Even even though   there there aren't any.   And that was like   to to   I mean, to start questioning   truth.   That's the word first step though, actually knowing the actual truth. I mean,   not not taking stuff for granted.   Because   there's always   there's   always a background to   any given truth.   There's a reason   that someone tells you, yeah, this happens because of,   this event. Okay. But   why? And you have to ask them why. Yeah. I mean, if you if you never ask why,   you   yeah, you're you're lost in my in my sense there. So Right.  

So,   I mean,   if you look at   if you look at the majority   of   the Masonic conspiracy theories, you soon realize, okay, there is a there's a pattern.   So there's usually like, okay,   we are Deepgramax. Okay. We we're the target group, but why are we this target group who who gains from put putting us in   the line with target there.   So if you look if you start   tracing back the origins of   any given conspiracy theory, you soon realize that, okay,   yeah, there's   some group or some persons that blames Freemasonry   because I believe,   that either the Freemasons   started this or that or anything like that. Okay. I can understand that. But then you have to realize, okay, where what's the background of this person? Why does it blame 3 mainstream?  

So so it's like you have to, like, peel the onion shells, like,   layers of layers and try to get down to the to the basic point there. And   for example,   what could I say?   The French Revolution, for example.   People blamed remasteries for starting the French Revolution.   I was thinking, oh, well,   yeah. That could be   a fact, but I want to know where   where did it start? Where where did that ID start? So   so tracing like   the red lines through history, you you finally end up with with the one person named Abi Baruel   and was figuring out, okay. He wrote a book about the French Revolution,   about the mace of the masonic   involvement in the French Revolution. So, okay, so who's this chap then?  

He's so,   he turned out to be a a Catholic priest that had to escape France   because of the revolution.   Uh-huh. And he didn't like Jews at   all. Uh-huh.   He couldn't blame the Jews directly. So indirectly, he blamed Freemasonry   and said that Freemasonry is enemascoly   with the Judaism   because that's known by everyone.   So he's like   putting brick on brick on brick there. So   once you realize that, okay,   yeah,   the aim is to demonize 1 group   with the aid of another group, kind of. So that's why also   the Trojan horse inside   conspiracy   theories usually goes that you can tell you could take   any conspiracy theory. They're also   are always a grain of truth   in most of their conspiracy theories.  

That's the Trojan horse.   Because that brings you into   the concept of actually   believing the whole narrative.   Because if you believe like this tiny part, you know, yeah, this is true.   Then the rest of the the, the the theory has to be true as logic.   Right.   Right. There there's actually the political,   turning,   which I can't remember that uses exact same exact same thing there. For example, if you have,   a lot of new laws and regulation that has to be done,   You usually   put them together with a big bunch of under laws and regulations.   And outside inside that one, you have   a a a law, a new law that no one actually wants to have. But it's part of the package.  

And   governments usually vote on the whole package   because that person or that party   gave that package to the government to vote for. Right.   So it it's like yeah. It's it's quite common. But,   so yeah. Anyway, so,   I would say, yeah, conspiracy theories   does usually contain a grain of truth. That's the choice of ours. Are there conspiracy theories where you think that there's  

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more truth than,   theory?  

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Yeah, there has been some. I think the Bhopal Catastrophe's   Union Carbon Productions, that was   known to be   a conspiracy theory that Union Carbon productions,   produced   a lot of toxic,   waste,   and that actually,   unalive   a whole village in India, the the Bhopal.   And that was like, I would say,   kind of a conspiracy theory because   the company said, no, no, no, we haven't done anything wrong here. But then,   reporters started to dig into, Okay, what did actually happen before? The catastrophe there. So, and they soon realized that, Yeah,   this conspiracy theory is actually true.  

The company did actually   release toxic gases that killed the whole village.   So so for example, that that's one yeah. One tiny   example. But otherwise, I would say   anything   labeled   as a conspiracy theory is usually untrue.  

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Yeah, but   there are a lot of conspiracies that   been proved to be true.  

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Well, in that case, they're not conspiracy theories anymore. That's the fact.   That's   the point there. So   Right. So, if you, like, follow history,   here you have conspiracy theories   and there no. There's the truth.   But people usually just   they they look at the truth. They don't realize that it was actually a conspiracy theory for a while.   Right.  

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Yeah. Is it good that we have conspiracy theories?   Is it good because we question the narrative, right? We question the truth?   I think that's good because we have to   dig deep for answers.   And maybe we're wrong, or not we or I am wrong about something. Of course.  

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Well, yes, Of course. I could be I could I could probably be very wrong about a lot of stuff. But the thing is,   I like conspiracy theories as long as they don't hurt   anyone. Right.   Because if you look at   so many conspiracy theories, they   they aim to   demonize or hurt certain groups of people.   Take for example the the Qasarian Jew   stuff, which is quite a modern idea there. But it's been spread like wildfire and is demonizing,   Judaism   in a sense. And it's also   a part of   Holocaust   denial. Mhmm. Because people say that, well, it was only the Qasarin Jews, so the Holocaust was not a big deal. Mhmm. When people start saying that, it's like Mhmm. Hang on a sec.   Actually, there are like 6,000,000   people on the line   during the Holocaust. You come, they die that. That's a fact. No, but, you know, the kasarean used for evil anyway, so   it doesn't matter.  

And when people go with with that narrative, it's like, okay, hang on a sec.   That's not being human.   That's  

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it. So so Yeah. But I have to I have to tell you that that,   when there are real   answers to   difficult questions or   difficult theories,   you should always   give people the opportunity to debate it or to discuss it,   and to give answers and to prove.   Oh, yes. What we see, for example, here in the Netherlands, I think it's the   similarity in Sweden.   You can't   question,   for example, the Holocaust.   You go to jail when you do that because you can't question it. So I have   not a problem. Yeah. Well, I do have a problem.   When someone has   real proof   and real,   facts,   why shouldn't you   bring up   topics like that, even if they are very questionable?  

Not to be   dehumanized,   and not to tell that   this is wrong or this is right or whatever, but just to bring up the discussion because we should never   do that again.   But did it happen as they tell us? Because what they said is, this is truth. Don't question it. There will be this. There will be that. What I   have nowadays,   not to discriminate   and all this, I don't like that at all, But it's really fascinating that we're living in a time that one group of people   have other rights, and there is a law that you can   discuss   people   like   Jews.  

If you talk about, oh, that's because they're Jews or whatever, you can get to jail.   Oh, yeah. I think that's very rare   when we're living in a multicultural   world with several belief systems, several cultures,   several religions, where there's one   that says, oh, wait a minute,   but we are protected by the law. That's really wrong. Everyone should be protected by the law, in my opinion.  

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Yeah.   So, yeah, that is   very complicated, I would say. But the the reason for for these laws are you are, I would say   I think it kind of started with with,   yeah, it's   oh, it's so complicated, but,   so I have been reading   some of that stuff. And if you say that   when you start questioning like a Holocaust,   you have to to start questioning, okay,   who gains from   from   from, like, saying that, yeah, it didn't happen. Mhmm. But what what's the point in saying it didn't happen?   What what What people gain from that?   Yeah, I would say it is a very complicated question.   I too   kind of question sometimes, like, why is there a law against it? I mean, it's common sense that you don't   hate other people. Right. It has to be a law.  

I think we will probably see more laws,   about discrimination,   of   different fault types, additional,   honor groups probably.   For example, you have the   freedom   of religion.   That is the law.   I can't question your choice of religion.   That's yeah. That's against the law, for example. Mhmm. Well, I can question it, but I can't, like,   how do you say,   slander or or,   say anything,   like, yeah, you do weird rituals   outside the church because you're a Christian. That's slandering.   So probably we will see,   I don't know, an increase in different rules and regulation against people people's beliefs   or narratives.  

And I think that's a very bad way to go.   Oh, absolutely. That's my   personal opinion there, definitely.   Because then it's like, okay,   should I actually read   stuff that goes against those rules and regulation? Is that permitted?   That opens up for more and more fundamental beliefs and more fundamental systems.   And you will have   people hating each other.   Even,   I would say,   But   it's it's like we we already have today. Fundamental Christians hates fundamental   Muslims. Mhmm.   They don't say it openly, but everyone knows about it. I don't well, they do say it openly every now and then, but it's like   it hasn't happened any clashes yet, but there will be clashes.  



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Yeah, you can see now in the UK where   people fighting each other in the street if you have to leave the   media. Yeah.   And  

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it's not political.  

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Yes. It's political. And   the people that rule,   they   are looking with it,   I think on a complete different level than the people that are in the streets that are fighting each other,   although they have   to connect and unite to each other. Because they're all in the same system.   They all go with the same,   shit that's been putting on under them. Like,   more to pay bills, more taxes, more this, more that, more Yeah, yeah, yeah. Freeze of control.   But, yes, it's a very   delicate topic.   And thank you for your time to hop on this organized production, Eric. I really like this talk.   Is there anything that you still want to cover up?  

Or you wanna talk about. Otherwise, I'm gonna ask you 14 questions that I already have for my,   for my, guests.   And,   tell the people, please, where they can find you or contact you.  

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Yeah. So so Swedish freemason,   as social media.   So,   I'm probably   yeah. I think I'm on the most social media, actually. So Yeah. Just  

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Google it otherwise. Yes, I'll find it. I will put it in the show description.   And,   a lot of people are waiting for these questions.   And, hopefully, you're ready.   We got 14 questions. The first one is, what's your definition   of the devil?  

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A mindset.  

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Nice. What's your definition of God?  

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Trust and comfort.  

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I like that answers. I like these answers. What's your interpretation of value?  

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8th.   That's a hard one.   I would say   oh, damn. You got me on that one.   I'm brightest part.   Yeah. The value is   what you see in, in things.   I can't give anything value myself. It's what you   as   the person that receives it,   you give the value to   something. For example, if I helped you in any way,   I can't say, yeah, this is very much valuable.   You as the receiver has to say that, yeah, this was valuable for me. So it's in the eye of the receiver   or in the eye of the beholder.  

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Mhmm. Like that one. Yeah. What's your, interpretation   or, definition of success?  

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I would say,  

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oh, damn. Those are hard questions. Really? There are 4 hard questions. I have to be honest with you.  

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No.   Success is when you're   content with yourselves.   I mean, success doesn't have   doesn't have to do with like   money or,   having a good job or anything like that. Success is like,   I mean, for me, success is if I can sit down,   by a water stream   and feel my shoulders like going down and being content in the moment,   that is being successful because then I actually reach something that  

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means something for me. Right. To be.  

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Just to be. Yeah. Right. Exactly.  

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Now we have easier questions.   Yeah, I guess. Alright. What's your favorite color?  

[01:53:59] Unknown:

I see. Oh, for Carmelo.   Black.  

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Black. What's your favorite music?   Oh. It's a hard one too, I know.  

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I've been fiftyfifty between   like very hard electronic and black metal. Oh, nice.  

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How we should make a podcast about that too?   I love the Swedish   black metal. Well,  

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now we don't with Swedish. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the painted faces, you know, stuff like that.   What's your favorite   movie or series?  

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Blaang.   The absolute best movie, I would say, is Blade Runner.   Blade Runner. Oh, and I think you point out the old one. Right? Not the Oh, yeah. Yeah. The the old one. Yes.  

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Paul Vuhgen was the   I I think it was Paul Hovind, the director.   But I'm not sure yet. Yeah. I can't remember.  

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Rutger Hovind was.   Rutger Hauer was for sure. So I think Paul Rewven directed it because the.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.  

[01:55:04] Unknown:

Yeah. That's true. That's true. Bizarro Rutger Hauer usually worked with very often then. Yeah. Exactly.  

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What's your favorite book?  

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The Stand by Stephen King.  

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I like that you have a nice dark side that we didn't talk to you about.   What's your favorite   drink?   Scotch.  

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On the rocks or no rocks? No. No. No. No. You like scotch? Yes.  

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What's your favorite food, Eric?  

[01:55:38] Unknown:

In this thing   so, yeah.   I don't know. Traditional Swedish food is always good, but,   I'm kind of a sucker for both Indian and African food.   We are What?   Vegetarian, I would say. Okay.  

[01:55:56] Unknown:

We are once this,   chef farming.  

[01:56:00] Unknown:

Oh,   don't mention that.  

[01:56:02] Unknown:

Okay. That's awesome. Yeah. We had some great footage about that.   Actually, some of the guys   ate it. And,  

[01:56:11] Unknown:

well, well okay. But you're supposed to eat it in a proper way with the the proper belongings.  

[01:56:18] Unknown:

And we did that. We did that. We figured that out. Alright. Yeah. And we opened the can, like it's in a bag. You should open it on the water. We didn't have any water. We did   outside.   Please, people do it outside.   Yeah. But this is completely different story. It's just, Rowan.   What kind of clothing you like to wear the most?  

[01:56:42] Unknown:

Baggy clothing.   I'm kind of like   a fashion   well, not not fashion brands.   I don't like   to buy,  

[01:56:57] Unknown:

or say  

[01:56:59] Unknown:

Designer clothes? Yeah. More designer or actually,   I try to buy   clothing that has a meaning or is not,   I would say, mainstream.   Right.   So from small   companies   that makes them themselves,   so no shads, labors, stuff like that, or big companies and stuff. So,   usually,   yeah,   very good fitting stuff, more expensive, I would say, but worse it in the end, definitely.  

[01:57:32] Unknown:

I think I just gained a new customer for my skirt. I'm   designing   a skirt for men, but not like a sissy   dress.   Good fabrics,   looks awesome with pockets,   with a good fall that you don't see anything. It's very comfortable.   I'm going to,   I'm working on the marketing and stuff like that. But just like I said, I came home from work. I'll do 2   podcasts a day. So, when I find some time, I'm working on that one only. Yeah, I could probably wear it. Definitely. Yes. I mean, definitely, Definitely. I think you also like the the coloring of that. Mhmm. I'm gonna send you a picture after the show. Excellent. Excellent. What's your favorite holiday destination?  

[01:58:22] Unknown:

I would say anywhere,   near.   I don't travel.   I I don't believe in traveling   nowadays Wow. Because, because, of the,   the environment,   really.  

[01:58:37] Unknown:

And Sweden is beautiful.   Oh, yeah. I've been there just briefly because there was a Norway, and I had to go back via Sweden. It was,   last year, with Eastern.   The ferries were closed. I couldn't go through Denmark, so I had to go to Sweden, Denmark. And you have this bridge that goes, underwater.   Like, you transit  

[01:58:57] Unknown:

Growing from Sweden to Denmark.  

[01:59:00] Unknown:

Yes. Yeah. Exactly. But a beautiful country. I like the mentality. I like the people. I like the space.   I like the nature.   Yes. Sweden is definitely Yeah. One  

[01:59:12] Unknown:

I drive motorcycles, so that's that's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand that. I I think   Tenerife or any any tourist touristic.   Right.   So I'd rather go to, I don't know, Albania,   Armenia,   something weird.   Right. I like weird places.  

[01:59:41] Unknown:

The last two questions, Eric. What's your favorite quote?  

[01:59:50] Unknown:

I would say,  

[01:59:54] Unknown:

Remember that you died. Oh, wait,   this might be.   So one protects me for death, and one reminds me that I'm going to die. Yeah.   Amen to more. I like that one.   And last question, Eric, what's your life's motto?  

[02:00:16] Unknown:

Be curious.  

[02:00:19] Unknown:

In.   I like that one too.   Maybe you wanna hop off for a part 2 once in the future, that we're going to discuss a little bit more about music.   And there's a lot of unfolding nowadays in the world.   It's very interesting to watch that.   And for me, it's   like, you are godlike,   So when you open up your eyes, you are the creation of your own reality.   So be aware that   your reality is what keeps you   in the light or in the dark.   Everything that goes around is just   like a TV station. If you tune in, you see the ship. If you don't tune in, if you turn off the TV, it's your own channel. It's your own channel or your own reality.  

[02:01:09] Unknown:

It's usually your your own choice there to to,   I would say,   tune in or tune out. I think that was tune in throughout   that. That's a quote from   someone. I can't remember. But we usually create our own reality.   So,  

[02:01:28] Unknown:

yeah. Exactly. Thank you.   Eric for up and on. I hope you enjoyed yourself Yeah. On this podcast.   I'm gonna send you the link as soon as it's, it's online on on Spotify, stuff like that. Great. And,   well, the editing of the video takes a little bit longer because of, the podcast that I have within half an hour or so. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But thank you.   Have a great time. Have a great day. Great morning, or great evening, wherever you   are on this beautiful planet.   Thank you, fellow human.   Thank you.  

[02:02:02] Unknown:

Have a nice day.  

[02:02:04] Unknown:

Thank you.