Disorganized Productions "Chaos creates Harmony"

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Welcome to another episode of the Disorganized Productions Podcast, where we fuel your spirit, ignite your potential, and help you become the best version of yourself. In this episode, host Rob welcomes a special guest, Kati Pauls, a brand alchemist, author, and high-functioning creative specializing in website design and development. Kati shares her journey of creativity, transformation, and the deep connections she forms with her clients. She discusses her life in Canada, her European roots, and her intuitive approach to both life and business.

Kati and Rob dive into a variety of topics, including the significance of human connection, the transformative power of the elements, and the importance of living authentically. They also explore the complexities of relationships, the role of sex in human connection, and the challenges and rewards of working closely with a spouse. Kati shares her insights on spirituality, the power of intention, and the importance of embracing both the light and shadow sides of oneself.

Throughout the episode, Kati emphasizes the importance of feeling and experiencing life fully, whether it's through the creative process, personal relationships, or spiritual growth. She also touches on the impact of societal expectations and the value of living a life true to oneself. This episode is a deep dive into the human experience, offering valuable insights and inspiration for anyone looking to connect more deeply with themselves and others.

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[00:00:00] Unknown:

Skip me branches like squirrel, baby.   What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the law.   Welcome fellow human to the disorganized productionist podcast.   The show that fuels your spirit,   ignites your potential,   and helps you become the best version of yourself.   I'm your host, Rob,   and each episode, we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential,   and conquer life's challenges.   Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,   Balon Newman, to another episode of Disorganized Productions.   Episode number 61   already.  

And today, we have a special guest. She's a brand alchemist.   She's a author together with her spouse.   Brand expert, high functioning creative,   website design and development is her specialty.   And, we already met in person,   and that was a really fun time that we had,   back in the days in Los Angeles. Right?   And, she likes to have occasions with,   her husband, Alex,   which maybe some people know from the Fermental podcast   right there,   on the back of his bike. Right? You went there.   And,   one of the quotes I really like is the only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing on Socrates.   And, you wrote a book together with your husband,   Partners in Everything.  

Another book, Elevate Your Brand.   Yeah. And we're going to talk about a lot of things today.   Please, ladies and gentlemen, fellow human, welcome,   Katty   Pauls.  

[00:02:26] Unknown:

How nice. Very good. It's always funny to hear somebody else   like summarize   who you are and what you've done with your life. But I'm sitting there I'm like, Hey, that doesn't sound half bad.  

[00:02:37] Unknown:

Right. Is that me?  

[00:02:40] Unknown:

Right? It sounds so good.   But yeah, I'm Cutty.   We live in Canada, Alberta   in the Rocky Mountains. Beautiful.   Both of our families are from Europe, so we have the European roots.   And, Yeah. I've spent my life being a creative in service to other people. So it's a very supportive role. People come to me and they're like, well, I don't really connect with this or that visually   in my life, in my business. So that's why the alchemist. And I really love that word alchemist because it really implies a deep sense of transformation.   So when you interact with me, whether it's in business, in life,   because I'm a Scorpio and my whole entire chart is ruled by water,   it's going to be intuitive. It's gonna be magical. It's gonna be deep almost instantly.  

I don't like small talk which is why I don't do podcasts very much. And if I do do a podcast it's going to be on one that I can just get deep pretty quickly in.   You know? I'm not good at the fluffy stuff.   Right. So so yeah. That's me in a nutshell. I will be talking a lot about Alex. So   yeah, he's my partner. He's my husband. He's my twin flame. He's my he's my other half. He is me. So there's gonna be a lot of talk about Alex. So there's that. My kids are Emma and Elora, my teenage daughters, and   and that's pretty much it.  

[00:03:59] Unknown:

Right. But   the chemistry   you   guys got going on when we met in LA,   which,   Milton, of course,   made possible,   That   was amazing.   I went out with the   with with my skirt, and I just said to Milton, just like, oh, feel a little bit nervous. But what I'm going to do is when I'm going to show up on a rooftop while you were sitting there and having a great time and just say, hey, wait a minute, you look familiar,   right? But I didn't knew that everyone was there. Well, Milton told me who was there, but you don't expect so many people show up, Right?   And, man, did we had a blast.  

It was   for me,   it was great because I knew Alex.   But how   was it for you? Because, just like Alex said, okay,   girls, we're gonna hop on our road trip, which is quite a long road trip from a few days.   Girls, you're gonna sit in the back of the car. Katty, you're gonna be sitting next to me. We're gonna meet some people that only I saw   virtually.  

[00:05:10] Unknown:

Right? I mean, that's a scary thing.  

[00:05:13] Unknown:

Right?   I had to hop on a plane to see if I'm not gonna get killed or not gonna be picked up in LA airport   and to figure out if this is it real? Is it the real deal? Or I'm going get punked   right now?  

[00:05:29] Unknown:

Right? I mean, you're taking a leap of faith and that's so necessary when you're about to,   embark in something transformative.   Right? Life changing. You have to be willing to give a certain amount of yourself   and trust and faith.   So that's what we did. Alex said, yeah, we're going. And it was our 25th wedding anniversary and we were kind of originally planning a party and they're like, well, instead of that,   let's do this road trip. Because for us, a road trip is always   transformative. It's always   eye opening. We it's a spiritual journey. It's never really just about the destination.   It's all those hours in the car and it's quiet and long days and you're not distracted by your phone and your computer and people coming and going. You're like in this beautiful container   which is just holding space for finding out something new about yourself and about your relationship and about your work. Mhmm. So I was totally on board. The kids too. We're going to LA. Oh, yeah. We're in. It's not a hard sell.  

You know? And then we get down there and the first few days, it's it's just us and Milton. And we're all kind of getting to know each other and it's quiet. And and then it's like, okay, Josh Monday is coming.   You know? And we didn't know Rob Milken was coming. We just knew that somebody was coming. It was a surprise. Right. You know? And all these people I'm like,   what am I supposed to do? I don't know these people. This is a part of Firmamental. This is like   Alex's life   in this regard. This is the only place in our life where this is something that's just him.   The only thing I had to do with Firmamental was that I designed the logo and the brand. That's all my role was. Right. Apart from just supporting him and his podcasting. But   so it was really different for me to put myself that much aside and say, this is about Alex. This is about him having these connections.  

And I'm open to getting to know these people and interacting with their energies. And Mhmm.   And and I had to really push myself because I'm very introverted.  

[00:07:30] Unknown:

Right.   How did you when you look back at the time that we had,   how did it came through you? Just like, okay,   these strange people, because everyone is a real individual, right, A real character on his own.   And Alex figured it out quite some time. He was interacting with us, sometimes on a podcast, sometimes just like briefly, what WhatsApp and stuff like that. And then all of a sudden you are in this Alex's world, in this perma mental world.   How did it went for you? And please be honest.  

[00:08:07] Unknown:

Okay. I'm gonna be honest then because,   my initial   take and reaction   with it is that  

[00:08:16] Unknown:

everybody's so fucked up. Can I say that? Yeah. Of course. This is disorganized productions, Scotty. What do you you can see everything.   We will not gonna be censored.  

[00:08:28] Unknown:

Oh, yay. Okay. Very good. In that case,   wow. I mean, humans in general are fucked up. And you would think that people have this perception of podcasters, people who lead other people, people who lead conversations about other people that they must have it figured out.   But it it's not true. Nobody has it figured out, you know? And it's in that messiness   that we get to connect to what actually makes us human? What is this human experience about?   You know? So   I think that when people meet other people, especially people that they kind of hold a little bit higher up than themselves. Mhmm. That they have to remember, you know what? Just a regular person. Joe Rogan, regular guy. Like Oh, yeah.   You know? Like, these are just regular people.  



[00:09:11] Unknown:

Everybody has his own has the same things going. Right? So you you basically, you need to eat, shit, sleep, repeat. Right?   You got work between and some people have their hobbies or to do podcasting or to do whatever the fuck they want. But the funny thing is   what I felt from the deepest side, because I knew I didn't knew anybody. I mean, you know, virtual life nowadays, we're going to come back to that from from design world, what it means to be in the design world nowadays with all the techniques and all that stuff. But,   just like you said, you gotta trust your gut. You gotta trust your heart. Like, okay, it's gonna be okay.  

But then you're gonna meet the people in person that you talk to. Well, well,   I talked to everyone on the podcast before, but what's that? I mean, that's just   a very tidy glimpse of someone   He can protect to be a serial killer and just,   I got a candy. You want some? I'm gonna kill you anyway. You don't know.   And just like you said,   we're living in very strange worlds. And the funny thing is I had   a very good feeling about the LA fight,   but also a very strange feeling like, oh, now I'm enjoying, like, you know, living the fast life or whatever it's gonna take,   and it could be debt. Just like that, you know, going across the wrong corner. We saw that where we lived on the apartments. Just like, oh, wow. Wow. LA, sunshine,   palm   trees. Next corner,   home.  

Extreme poverty.   Yeah. Yeah.   That was something that,   I had to realize that. I had to realize that, okay,   also with the people, because we were hanging around with the most people like few days.   One night, you can keep an up to your periods, but the other night, you can be a a dork or an asshole or just a fucked up idiot or a psycho.   And all of that happened because I was a psycho.  

[00:11:14] Unknown:

Hardly.   Yeah. It's yeah. It was I know, right? Like you're sitting there and because it was more than one evening, we got to wake up in the morning and, hey, there you are for coffee. And there you are for lunch and we're drinking wine by the pool. And you know, like we're having like full day immersive experiences with each other. And a lot of what makes   me, me is that I sit back and I watch and I listen   and I wait to feel the other person. Mhmm. You know? So I had so much time to be able to do that in. And then from the start to when we said goodbye to everybody, it was, oh, I know this person is so much better. I know what they feel like. I know what they sound like and, and what makes them tick and how, you know, what element is kinda ruling their experience. Like, Milton, there's so much air that there's so much mental capacity. And the same with you, so much mental capacity. You and I had a really great deep talk almost right away.   So, I mean, it was really fun and interesting,   having the space and the time   to interact with people the way that I need to. Mhmm.  



[00:12:19] Unknown:

And and it's it's it's really coming together and,   open yourself up, which is not for everyone very familiar.   But then the magic happens because   a lot of people, when they go to a road trip, they're like, okay, we know these people. We went to the bar and stuff like that. The small talk, just like you said. And, okay, bye bye. Maybe we see each other again. We can text each other. But somehow this LA connection was just established like,   wow, so real friendships, like really caretaking   was   implemented in that,   that meeting throughout the week. Well, for me, it was quite a week. We saw it sort of like 4 days and stuff like that. But there was this   interaction going, it was a tremendous. And just to be honest, because you were talking about,   the feel of the people and how they sound like and stuff like that, you call yourself the brand Alchemist.  

Does it have something to do with Paulo   Coelho from The Alchemist?  

[00:13:20] Unknown:

Yeah. My favorite book. Like, that is my bible. I know we talked about it. Yes. Give it. Give it to me. I love it. I mean, there's so much magic in that book and I'm gonna have to go there that the Bible is crap.   I   really dislike the Bible. I'm sorry for any of your Christian listeners, but that Bible, that book was not written for me. It was written for a bunch of people way back when.   That has nothing to do with me. Even as stories as far as stories go,   I don't find them interesting. I don't see the point of them. I it's just a big jumbly mess that requires   so many other people to come in and say, but this is what they mean by that, and that's what they mean by that. And the fact that it's filtered through so many men,   and I'm not a feminist. I find that an appalling word as well. But   where's the feminine side? Right? Like, so I was born and raised a Catholic.  

Mhmm. And I call myself now a recovering Catholic because, I mean, that's a lot of trauma. That's a lot of unwiring that I have to do. Inductination.  

[00:14:22] Unknown:

Oh my god.  

[00:14:23] Unknown:

It's wild. It goes completely against,   this idea of what spirituality   actually is. So   as a child, there was this crazy figure   nailed to a cross. I'm like, what is that? Why is that so terrifying? Why does it feel so bad? And then there's stories and stories. And   now that I'm away from that,   and now that I'm I mean, tapping into my intuitive and the spiritual and I know that I understand that Christ is energy. I understand the energy of Christ as compassion, as kindness. Like, it's a soft,   beautiful,   green energy. Like, it's so beautiful, something that I never understood as a child. It never made sense. Mhmm.   You know? So so the Bible is not for me.  

And it's funny because there was a time when Alex was getting into the Bible, like, really not that long ago at right infirmamental,   you know, the Bible is at the front of firmamental.   Don't get me started on that.   But I had to sit beside him and let him   deep dive into the Bible and and learn things that he's meant to learn from it. I understand that something there resonated with him, but it was always just like, oof, there's this line. I'll talk about it with you, but you know how I feel about it. You know where I stand. But I'm here to hold space for you to have whatever spiritual enlightenment you need Mhmm. From this. So,   yes,   The Alchemist is my bible. The lessons there make sense to me. I feel like as he wrote it, he was channeling something much higher than himself. So anytime that you can really, truly connect to your higher self, you are able to channel in something very pure,   universal lessons, and things that apply to every person, no matter their belief system.  



[00:16:07] Unknown:

And the signs, the signs that been shown, but you have to know how to read them and how the,   the messages can get in. Just like, okay, well, I'm a smoker. Just like, oh, I wish I had a package of, cigarettes because I don't have any cigarettes. It's harder here in the Netherlands now to get cigarettes. But then you come across someone who smokes, and he's like, you want one?   Oh yeah, sure. And you take that one and you just think like, oh, I need this bag of cigarettes. No, you just got   one. Right? So you have to think about what's the message. What's the thing I want?   How do I,   how did it get through me? And once you realize that, magic happens. I was listening to   And there's a company with a truck drive on a,   above me, like a I don't know. Is it is it an English word, viaduct?  

When there's when there's, basically,   a highway above you.   So I don't know what's called. Like, Skyway maybe or Skyway. Yeah. Yeah. And there was a strong driving with the and the branding was facts, but then in Dutch. Just like,   You know, that's the connection. Just like, oh,   I'm sitting here in divine energy. Everything goes with the flow. That's alright, baby. Saroid.   Synchronicities.   Oh, yeah. But how does it   goes? Because   except you're   living like more than 25 years with your,   husband, 2 kids travel around Europe   when they were young.  

Badass.   That's badass.   Right?   But it's like you said, it's like, it's like a spiritual trip.   You're going to know each other more. You're going to see stuff. You're going to interact with situations, with people, with all that stuff that makes you more aware of where we're living   and what kind of reality there we are and how we can shape our reality.   What I want to try to say, what I want to point out is that,   you also work with Alex on a business level.   I think a lot of people are very happy when someone closes the door at 8 o'clock   and doesn't come back until 5 o'clock   to have their quality time for themselves with their colleagues. You know? And when they come up, oh, there he is again. Oh, there she is again. We're gonna have a quality time, go to sleep, and go do the same things again.  

So   how does that   feel to work with your husband?  

[00:18:51] Unknown:

Yeah. That's a tricky one and probably the question we get asked the most.   And I think that   it all comes back to   your life's purpose, your life's design, what has been designed for you. I and I'm not saying that I'm, you know, everything is predestined, but we are given a container,   that we are you know, within that container, we have free will to move around and do things. And the more aligned we are with ourselves, the smoother that ride. And then when our free will takes us away from that, it's a little bit bumpier.   But it doesn't matter bumpy or not. You're finding these beautiful nuggets of information and treasure and ways to build and expand your experience.  

So I know that my purpose here with Alex is to expand both of our souls. We're on this spiritual journey where we're here to really expand and move forward.   And working together was one piece of that. It was like, we're going to experience this togetherness in all aspects of our lives. And because I'm a hermit, I   well, I'm an introvert.   And I have hermit moments where I need to go away from everybody else, disconnect everybody's energies, and heal myself.   Those are just moments of healing. I can be around other people, but then I have to come back in   and in that very deep solitude,   kind of put myself back together.  

So that was one tricky thing because he didn't go out of the house for a job at one point. And then all of a sudden, now we're together all of the time. Mhmm. So there was you know, you have to figure it out, move around and and lean into the discomforts of it because he's just reflecting back to me the things that I'm supposed to be working on on myself.   So it was a lot Right? It's a and our whole life we're just mirroring things back to each other that we need to work on   so that we can grow together. So, yeah, I'm not saying it was perfect, you know, but,   boundaries.  

Boundaries is key. I think that's the biggest thing. It's like, okay. I'm gonna work on this side of the house. You're gonna work on that side of the house. And for this amount of time, you're not crossing this boundary because I'm a creative, but I need to have that solid work time uninterrupted.  

[00:20:57] Unknown:

Right.   You know? You get but that's that's something,   else. Right? I think when you figure out that we work from home, that your creative moments are like these magic moments,   but they don't pop up between 8   and 5. Like a normal day job, oh, it's not going to work for me. No, no, no way.   But   when I know, hey, now is my magic moment. That could be 2 o'clock in the morning.   And I'm going to work until 5. I get more shit done as I would say,   then do that from 8 to 5 because I'm, I'm, I'm not triggered to do stuff.   You can push me. You can put a gun against my head to do this stuff, but I can't put it out. But then   within the frame of 2 o'clock in the morning until 5 o'clock in the morning,   everything comes out. And especially when you do creative things, you got to let it sink in.  

And the idea is going to form in your head, and then you have to   put it in paper. And from the paper, it goes into the design, right?   What does it mean when we look at the times that we're living now that a lot of things are automated, a lot of things are technical,   advanced?   Even   like someone who doesn't know   how to work with a mouse on a computer can make beautiful programs on   whatever, like designing stuff and stuff like that. You see the layouts from a lot of,   website   platforms. They are already like templates and stuff like that. In the early days, like what what I'm saying early days, like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, you had to   write that stuff down to make that page.  

What do you think,   Cati,   is the future for,   creative artists like you   in a design world when we have so much,   what's it called,   so much technology   that could it take over us? Or is the creative creativity   of a human being still   there and needed?  

[00:23:11] Unknown:

Right. So that's part of the reason why I feel   very not threatened by AI.   Because AI can come in and code out an entire website for you. Right. You know?   And fine if you want to trust AI to do it. So now what is AI doing? It's just going out there, getting information from everything that's already there and then putting something together for you, which means it's not original. It's not an original thought. It's,   compiled from a whole bunch of other stuff that already exists. Right. Now there are people who also function that way. There are people out there who   call themselves creatives and then they go and they just kind of steal from everywhere else, slap something together and say, here you go.  

It's still some version of a template,   probably not original thought. Right? So that mean so the idea that those people are out there, they exist. AI is out there and exists.   Doesn't really affect me because for me it's about the human connection.   So I will have that human connection moment with the person that I'm working with and then I say goodbye.   I disconnect from everything and I go out and walk in the elements.   For me, the process is based on every single element. Mhmm. I will walk on the ground.   I'm totally grounded into mother nature. I'm grounded. I'm walking. All of a sudden, the wind comes from the west. And here in Alberta, that west wind is magic. It is   the wind of all winds. It comes off it rolls off   of the mountains, the Rocky Mountains, and it brings something so magical,   so powerful   that you can't help but stop   and let it bathe your entire body.  

So now I've got grounding. I've got air and there's always water all around. I always walk to the pond   way out in the fields because there are ducks   there. There's animals   everywhere you look. You are instantly connected in the water and the water is reflecting so much back at you.   It's unbelievable.   And the sun, the fire of the sun,   the heat, you know, even in the wintertime in Alberta,   that sun is so powerful that you could stand there and take your clothes off and just bask. And you just the transformation   that happens.  

You know? All of these elements are so required in a creative process for me. Mhmm.   And then I come back home and it's like, I am tingling. I'm alive. I've had the wind whispering the ideas to me. I've had the vision of it reflected back to me from the water.   Now I can sit down. Now I can think. Now I can start to put together. How is this supposed to look? How is this supposed to make people feel?   It's not just about the look of it. It's you're bringing in the emotions.   You know, I'm trying to connect the business owner to the emotion of the way it feels. I'm trying to connect   the customers, the audience to the brand and then to the business owner. There's so many connection points that have to happen. Mhmm. It's not just a simple   poof, here's the idea and out it comes. Right? The the process is really involved.  



[00:26:05] Unknown:

I love the way you do that because when you are,   in the elements,   I think   for   the power there is and   the divine, whatever,   call it God   for God's sake, for God's sake.   We're going to put it in the ether. Our thoughts   become reality.   But when we add the elements,   this I think   I know what you say. I want to feel once when I'm going to be visiting your place there, right? But   when you   put these thoughts into the ether with all the elements, there's something going on   that makes that like, okay,   these are your thoughts. We connect it with all the stuff that we have, and here it is, go home. And then   it could be like, it's not like you come home and you're gonna write down all the stuff. You know, you gotta   some people like define download. It's sometimes it takes while some projects are a hard time, you know, to get it out on paper and just, like, stuck in my head.  

Where do I go to?   And,   the beautiful thing is   when you see that whole process, what you go through in nature, putting it down in paper, and you present it to your customers,   and they are like,   woah,   Then the real magic happens when, you know, it's just like, check-in, check-in box, check-in box. Wow. Now we did a great job. Right?  

[00:27:37] Unknown:

Right? Yes. That's exactly and honestly, like, more often than than not, the person that's on the other side of me is they start to cry. They're like, I didn't say it. How did you know?   Right? But   and that this is not special to me. All of us have this ability to   connect, right, with your higher self, with everything around it's in the air. It's there for you to connect to. It doesn't make me special.  

[00:28:03] Unknown:

I don't need a book for that.  

[00:28:08] Unknown:

Right? It's so funny because I am that person where for me, for it to make sense, I cannot possibly read it in a book. I have to actually   experience it. Now in The Alchemist, he talks about the wind   as being one of the forces at the end that is part of his transformation. And, like, that makes sense to me because I know the wind. I am very good friends with the wind. The wind is my favorite element of all the things. And And it's funny because in my astrological chart there is almost zero wind. And yet that's my favorite element.   I it's just it's the element that   will physically move me in any way. Right. And that's Maybe that maybe that's the secret. Right? It needs to figure out your element. What is it gonna take to get you to transform, to move, to bend, you know? Oh, yeah. Because I'm  

[00:28:57] Unknown:

Wind.   And it's funny though. Yeah.   And,   I'm not talking about that, but   we got so many things to cover because we were talking about a lot of things. And we,   we had a great time together in LA.   And, the connection I felt with you was   some things like clicking right away, which is very   odd in this world, where I feel more and more   disconnected to a lot of people that I already know even.   Right?   So   and especially   just because we all also talked about that and because we, you brought it up, like, some people are believing in a book, and there were some people, like Judge Mondele, loved the guy,   Joseph Colin Wright.  

These people are into the biblical stuff. But the thing is,   when someone reads   The Alchemist from Paulo Curleo,   there's no mistaking   in reading that book. There's no other interpretation   about what he's been,   writing down, writing down. Yeah. Right?   The other thing is with the other book, which is a very fascinating book to me, it's not something like, okay,   well, screw that book. Well, well, in a sense, yes, because it's just like,   what is he trying to say here?   1500 years,   several   authors. Yeah. Some people, some people have some stories. They wrote it down, but   I get it.  

I just don't get it. Not always.   And I think that when you read The Alchemist,   it makes more sense   to believe in a Bible   than when you believe in the Bible and you say, oh, the Alchemist. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's well, nice book, but there's more truth in it, my perspective as with the elements and with the signs you see and all the stuff that's connected to him   and the journey that he made   than with the fasting journey   that Jesus did.   And how is that when you,   because we're talking about work related, but how does that,   influence your relationship with Alex? Because I know that you support each other through thick and thin and through   whatever. Right?  

But,   it's a complete different it's a transformation   from a human that you really know quite good for a long time.   And, oh, no. Let me sit here and read part of the Bible.   How is that going?  

[00:31:37] Unknown:

You know, it's, it's funny because   I it it the fact is that you have to hold space for the other person. You just do. And Alex and I tend to rise at the same time.   Now when you are spiritually ascending,   there are   intense and deep moments of pure hell   that you are going to individually   and then together because you can't help it. You're just spilling into each other all the time. Mhmm. So   the moments that he was   deep diving into the Bible were also moments that I was deep diving into something else.   Right. And we just know this, and the type of relationship we have requires   perseverance   and courage   and unconditional love, which is something I didn't even know existed until I met Alex.  

It requires   so much of you   just to hold the space that once you've got that figured out,   the other person can pretty much do anything. And you can see the moments and you can see the things that are contributing. And it's like, Oh, that's not gonna go well. And sure enough, you know, a couple of days later, he totally discombobulated.   I'm like, Well,   may I remind you that you were reading something a little bit crazy?   You know? So I mean, yes. There's,   we're lucky in that sense that because we're marrying so hard that we tend to   make these,   ascensions at the same time. Now if it so happens that we're not, then, yeah, then then we have to start bringing in outside people, marriage therapist. And I mean, I'm all for therapy of any kind as long as it's helping you in that moment deal with something that just really requires that person to come in and help you with. Right. You know? Right. And some people, when they,  

[00:33:27] Unknown:

even when you take yourself   like a step back,   you're gonna watch the situation or you're gonna watch what happens.   It makes you complete. Like,   it's it's a different thing that happens to you when you look it from inside out or outside in. You know, just like a witness.  

[00:33:46] Unknown:

Yes. And it's not the action of him reading the Bible. It's okay. He's taking something in. What is he gonna do with it?   Once he has it in his experience,   how is he going to make that work in a way that,   expands him and doesn't, like, take him down? Because that's some of the danger of the Bible for me is that it tends to take me down.   You know, all of a sudden this introduction of sin. And it wasn't until even this year that I'm like, wait a minute.   Sin is just really a way of thinking. It's your own mind. You know? It's your own mind telling you like, oh, you're measuring up here and not here. You've done something else. No. No. No. Free yourself of that. Right. Do good do good to yourself and other people.  

[00:34:27] Unknown:

And eventually,   even other people can   convict you for a sinner   for the things that you do with a good purpose. Because it's not a culture, it's not a belief system, it's another   perspective, whatever.   And that's what I really   also like about Alex, because I think that he's,   yes, he is into the Bible,   but   he doesn't pronounce it like, oh, this is the   book.   And he's, of course, a very different person than other people that we know that wanna, you know, that wanna bring out the news, that wanna shout it out the roof, look at this and look at that. That's a different point of view. That's a different,   personality from Alex itself.  

Just like,   it's interesting.   I gotta look into that, you know, with this nice, deep, warm chocolate voice.   Right?  

[00:35:24] Unknown:

No. I don't wanna get turned on just right now.   But yes, yes. He's got the Johnny Cash voice.   But this here's the magic and the secret of Alex is that he would read the Quran if he thought there was something in there that would help him interact with other people.   So he's collecting all of these different resources. He's one of his superpowers is resources. So he's compiling these resources,   and then he is able to connect with so many different people. Uh-huh. Like, so many. I could not just walk into your room and converse about anything.   He can. He's got, an insane amount of resources to pull through.  

So this is part of part of what makes him amazing is that he will pretty much   absorb   all of this information and turn it into a way to connect more deeply with the people around him. Mhmm.  

[00:36:16] Unknown:

And, we talked about his voice. We don't gonna talk about it because we're gonna walk this floor,   swap the floor. But,   the thing I really like, and I see that also, or I listen to that also in the fundamental,   He has   this,   when he talks, it makes you feel comfortable.   I can, just like I always say, skip ranch like squirrel. No. I can get high in my emotions or enthusiasm and stuff like that, or I can go down and   voice and stuff like that. It's different. It's   a pitch, different pitch.   But with Alex, it's always this steady   going. And that makes it very   easy listening. And you know what you're gonna get,   even when he's   enthusiastic,   that he's going to know still on that level. But especially when you do that business wise,   what you see is what you get. But with Alex is what you hear is what you get.  



[00:37:14] Unknown:

Absolutely.  

[00:37:16] Unknown:

What's your superpower,   Kachi?  

[00:37:22] Unknown:

Oh, boy. Superpower is being able to   see   pretty clearly into people's souls   pretty quickly, unless that person has this, nope. I'm not letting you in type thing. Right? But Right. Like building walls around them are and stuff like that.   Yeah. So the where Alex can create this, like, this calm even,   space for you to just show up and be whoever you want,   when you sit down with me, it's nope. I'm taking it right down into the basement right away. I wanna know all your secrets and I wanna know if you know your secrets and Right. You know, like, it's like a totally different experience with me. I would be a terrible podcast host because   I would tell people you have to get down and dirty immediately.  

And then I'm gonna call you on your bullshit.  

[00:38:09] Unknown:

I love that. I think that's a that's a   perfect something for a podcast.   And, and you know why?   Because   the, the thing is when people talk to each other, just like we do right now, a lot of people holding themselves back like, oh, what would the people think? Or are in this interview kind of things or whatever.   And they're gonna hold back. So they don't show the real   back of the tongue or the real personality,   just not to offend people.   Well, if we offend people, then we did a good job because   these people dealing with their own trauma,   but don't realize that yet. So I'm going to make a t shirt like offended?  

Good. Work on your trauma.   Awesome. Very good. Yeah. I think that but but but that's it. When we are holding back, and especially you can see that,   and well, I don't want to talk about politics, but you can see that very right away in politics.   The words they use are never be like,   well, like fuck or swearing or whatever,   but it makes a different word salad   with the same intention,   but you can swear because you have to be respective, but you disrespect at the moment that you put open your mouth and you have a verbal diarrhea of bullshit.   Mister Trudeau, mister Rutter, mister   WEF, mister WHO,   or whatever the fuck you wanna call it.  

Wow. Okay. That's how it grow. So  

[00:39:42] Unknown:

And that's why I can't connect with anything political. I mean, I didn't even know who the prime minister of Canada was before Trudeau until   now because well, now I know way too much. I've been, like, my face and my experience has been shoved into politics.   But I still don't it doesn't I unaffected because I don't resonate on that level. I don't interact with people who are fake. You know? Like, I have no desire to let that into my experience. So it wasn't like the middle of the pandemic, I realized I was getting really angry about Trudeau. This is super quick. And I was like,   this man is stealing my energy and I don't even know that he's real. Like, this is unbelievable. And that very night I had a dream. So spirit works with me a lot in my dreams. I get lots of communication from my higher self through my dream world.  

And it was a dream about Trudeau. And   he was in so much pain and conflict and, like, huddled, like, his physical. He was just so huddled, and and I just felt so terrible for him. And I woke up that morning, and I thought, oh my god. I have a totally new take on Trudeau. Like, I feel so bad for him. The compassion   that has come through me now   totally stripped the energy of of of anger away.   Wow. You know? And it put me in a totally different place. I'm like,   I just feel bad. The compassion is here. That's what it means.  

[00:41:00] Unknown:

Wow.   So   you basically   change your   energy   with the dream that you got from   people that suck your energy out.   Yeah. For me, because of all I am. Yeah. To something like, okay, I feel empathy for you. So it's like saying to the bully guy, You know what? I love you.   It's something that they will never expect, right?  

[00:41:28] Unknown:

That's right. And for me, for it to make sense in my being, I have to feel it. That's why the dream world is so good for me because you wake up and sometimes, you know, you can't shake that dream you've had. It's with you all day long.   Mhmm. You know? So it's it's it's like layered into your experience in the form of a feeling. And for me, as soon as I have a feeling, it's like, poof, pay attention.  

[00:41:49] Unknown:

Right.   Wow. Good stuff. You dream a lot?  

[00:41:54] Unknown:

Oh, yes. Lots and lots and lots.  

[00:41:57] Unknown:

Is it something that you're also prepared to dream, to have a intention set   to dream something, or does   does it just happen?  

[00:42:06] Unknown:

It just happens.   But lately, I've been trying to manipulate a little bit more the dream in a way that   kind of if I know I have a trauma,   a particular trauma that's really been like I'm really struggling with it and depending on the moon phase, of course, at the time. Mhmm.   Then I'm like, okay. So can I use my dreams to kind of get this moving out a little bit better? So I'm still in the process of of honing that and really working on it. But I have to say that just having the intention of it, all of a sudden brings in this awareness.   And I think that the dreams have been kinda shifting around that. So maybe I'm in. Maybe I am doing it.  



[00:42:45] Unknown:

Right.   I was sleeping always   with my head to the east side.   And I saw some TikTok. And yes,   sometimes I got involved like, oh, maybe it's true.   So I   saw someone who said, yeah, you got to sleep to the norm.   So I basically,   well, I didn't switch my bed yet, but I have quite a big bed, so I could   turn around and sleep to the north.   Oh, boy.   Magic happened. I slept   every single night and I woke up with several dreams, like vivid dreaming,   Just like, what the hell happened here? Just like, it's like, like   a Mary Diane, Mary Diane, your buddy, like the flowing is just like, woah, instantly.   And I could wake up with situations that I just saw and   been through,   but I knew for sure when I woke up, that that couldn't be true because it's in the future or it's gonna be it it was in the past, but just like  

[00:43:51] Unknown:

So now I wonder,   is that because you were actually moving yourself north or   was it because   you were open to having something different happen?  

[00:44:02] Unknown:

Fuck. They won't do. That's the you know, it's the intention   of yourself. And maybe it doesn't matter what kind of direction that you lay upon,   but   the intention   within your mindset,   that's gonna get it just like you got the red pill, the blue pill, but it could be both like sugar pills. Right?   But if you believe in it,   that magic happens.  

[00:44:28] Unknown:

And that's something that   Sorry. Go ahead. No. I was gonna say, is it any different than doing the sign of the cross at the beginning   of starting a ceremony, or is it just that you're calling yourself to attention? It doesn't even matter what you you could pat yourself on the head and boom. Yeah. You're there.  

[00:44:43] Unknown:

Yeah. It's it's like a a lot of people do when they're going to perform whatever they are. Athlete,   athletes or musicians, they have this ritual going. Like, I'm gonna,   tie my shoes, but,   right first and then left. Could be stupid things like that. Or I'm gonna take a shot of vodka, which always works normally to get salt, you know? So she'll think a little bit down.   But,   yeah, it's it's it's,   I think when you point out the spirituality,   the connection within your mindset,   the things that happen in your real life, and you can look at them as they work   out and take like,   a book like,   The Alchemist from   Paulo Coolio.  

I think that's pretty much the real vibe to me because it feels like I smell it. I can taste it. I can see it.   And,   it's not like 66   big fucking books combined into one little pile, like, oh, we got 300 pages of,   some wisdom.   That makes no sense to me. And   it's not   to to,   be offended against Christians. And a lot of people listening to a podcast,   think that I do or not. I I I don't know.   But I love to talk to Josh Mundy about our belief system and go not to get in a brawl, but to get in a in a dialogue,   not a discussion. Discussion is something totally different between 2 people that you can come out probably. But to get in a dialogue, oh, this is your take. What about   this? Oh, that's interesting what you said. You know, just like what you said, what Alex does with, several religions.  

I'm kind of that person too. Like, oh, I want to deep dive into that also because my creativity   ADHD brain, just like, give me the I need the information.   And all of a sudden,   it pops up just like you walk in nature. You connect with the pond, with the nature, with the wind, with the sun, with the elements, just like   you.   And that's so magical about   not only us as humans, but   us as creators,   us as, well, not us as a husband or, or, but your mom, 2 beautiful children. I met them. Great, great, you were, by the way. I love that.   Once we drove to   Milton, there was   one of these   Starbucks   drinks   that,   she spilled it.  

I I said, it looks like a unicorn Pete on your or, on your seat, Alex. He was   he didn't like that, but it looked cool, though.  

[00:47:38] Unknown:

It smelled like unicorn pee. I'll tell you what. Oh, damn. It did. Right?  

[00:47:43] Unknown:

And, that that's one of the the the biggest addictions.   I'm an omni addict, so I like a lot of stuff in my life. But Starbucks?   Oh, damn. You got me hooked.   Right?   How many times did we cross and just like, what are we gonna do?   Go in Starbucks, probably.  

[00:48:02] Unknown:

Right. Right. If you were missing from the pool, where's Rob? Oh, he's at Starbucks.  

[00:48:16] Unknown:

Sugar.   It's the sugar that make you addicted.   That feels so fucking good in LA. I don't know.  

[00:48:23] Unknown:

But Yeah. Sorry. And don't   Yeah. Don't disqualify   the branding. Starbucks knows what they're doing with their brands. They have created an experience for you that makes you want to go back. Right?  

[00:48:34] Unknown:

And it's unbelievable because there was another,   coffee   bar   at least at, oh, that's Brazil, Brazil coffee or something like that. It was Yeah, Brazil coffee. And cheaper. Oh, cheaper. Oh, LA isn't cheap. Ladies and gentlemen,   go by tent so you can have a home.   Right? I think there are 46,000,   people   living in LA on the streets because they can't fucking afford a home.   I had a Uber to Hollywood,   you know, to go up the hills. That was a bad idea because I didn't figure out that I didn't have any Internet connection   up that fucking hill to get back.  

So I had to walk with my blisters and all that stuff back to,   well, back to some houses. Right? And I got an interconnection   from a lady.   Thank you for that. Love the kindness.   But then I figured out, like, I went from Downtown LA to Hollywood sign for $17   The drive back was   $85.   So I said, no, I can't believe. And I had blisters on my, on my feet. And I just like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Rob. We're not going to do that. So what I did is I opened up the map   and I pointed out my directions.   I downloaded them right away with the Wi Fi that I had. And I walked another 6 or 10 miles   on my blisters to get to   basically back to to to normal communities where there was,   right on the Hollywood Boulevard with the stars. It's like, oh, oh, on arm here.  

And I went to, what, with Dunkin' Donut, whatever the fuck that is. Yeah. And I have Wi Fi so I could call,   a Uber for $16   to go back to   crazy.   Free   easy. You went up to Yeah. You went up to the sign?  

[00:50:33] Unknown:

Oh, not this time. We did that, like, the first time we went to LA.   And, I'd say it's not worth it. It's kinda stupid.  

[00:50:40] Unknown:

Oh, you got it right there.   Police drones,   commandment robbery is going to cost you 10 I I was walking across, and I wanted to go up, but you can go up. There's no way you're gonna get up because of police drones. There are cell towers that gives you   so much,   what's it called? You know, bad energy, like 5 g, 6 g, 8 g, just like tremendous   next to that fucking sign. I want to put my hammock in that sign, you know, just like, hey, fucking selfie with the Hollywood sign. No way, Rob. And then when I was walking with my flip flops, basically, oh no, I got my Adidas off, whatever. I took my normal shoes. The first sign I saw was beware a fine of 10,000 blah blah. Beware rattlesnakes.   Beware of what? What the   okay. So there are rattlesnakes here. Great.  

How could that be a tourist   touristic   good thing? Did you ever went to an amusement park where they had, like, deadly animals around you? You're just like, Oh, no.   They're lying here, right there. It's not like they're in a cage.   No.   We told you so. We got a sign to tell you that they were there.   So,   enjoy your stay here in Hollywood.  

[00:52:01] Unknown:

It's funny. You know what? It's funny. I have friends who travel and that's all they do is do tourist things. They go and see the sites.   I am not that person, and it's funny because my kids are now not that those people. But we travel. It's really just for me, what does LA feel like? What is the feeling of LA? Because when I look back, that's what I'm gonna remember. I could care less if I saw Jean Faugris star, by the way, was the only one I saw and cared about. But if I wouldn't have, it wouldn't have mattered. You know, I was just as happy staying put,   waking up, living my regular life, but in a change of scenery.  

For a creative, by the way, is a big deal. Like, I need to change my scenery. I need to be inspired by new things. And for me, it's about the feeling of LA, not so much the landmarks.  

[00:52:45] Unknown:

I   do agree with you so much because the fight, once I landed, it was like the first thing I saw when I went out of the airport was this   big black police car, like you see in TV series and stuff like that. I'm a guy from the Netherlands.   We have small fucking cars.   If there's like a tank rolling down in your street,   shit is going down.   These guys are driving that like, oh, you know, no, that's that's a small mobile, you know, blah, blah. So there's a,   that was the first thing I heard when it was in LA.   But   the fight,   I loved it. I re it's it's like   maybe because I played games like, GTA,   or all that kinds of stuff, but the   5 felt so   good,   especially when it came across to me in the banking district, when I was looking like, oh, all these bankers, I hang around with all the food stores and stuff like that. And I was looking a little bit across   a little center of the bank district, and there was some grass and some trees. So I said,   hammocking time, baby.  

So I put in my hammock,   took off my shoes.   I laid down in my hammock. And within that second,   there was a guy coming up, like security logo, badges, and all that stuff. Sure. You can hang here.   Why not?   He said, you don't do business here. And I was thinking to myself, just like this dirty little devil,   I just took $50   out of the Bank of America, so I did business. But I didn't want to get into the argument because probably he would me up, right? He had a bag of 20 stallions, like,   so I took down the hammock, and it   was crazy because when you   go cross the street, and there's the real poverty, and you can put up a tent on a fucking sidewalk,   and you   say to me that I can't put my hammock on,   it's something that I really, really   thought was fascinating.  

Fascinating.  

[00:54:55] Unknown:

Bizarre and fast. Yeah. That's the energy of   confusing   confusing   confusion. What? Chaos. It's confusing. Right? Like, and the presence of the police, like, it's the big black cars. I mean, that's just a presence. It's meant to make you feel a certain way. But the funny thing is it doesn't make the bad people feel anything. They don't care. They walk around, they see those things, but it's like people who are generally good,   they see that and they have an emotional reaction to it. Like, oh, man, cops. You know? Like Right?  

[00:55:26] Unknown:

Can you imagine that? I I   I was   well, I didn't figure it out, because when I went with Milton to Venice Beach, we were across that beach, We were,   Santa Monica, where you also were right on the pier.   Yep. And I said, oh, dude, I'm in California. I gotta smoke some weed, man. He said, oh, that's that's way back to Venice.   I said, oh, okay. And he was looking at my feet, and I had some fucking big I had, like, this big blisters on both of my feet. So just like,   maybe not. Right? So I got stayed 2 days longer. And then I saw an animal store across   the place where we stayed. It's like, yes,   I'm going to be fucked up and stoned in California,   baby.  

And that store was closed all the time.   But can you imagine, Kati, that when   10 years ago, when you were smoking weed in LA,   you got and you got busted. You were busted for quite a long time in jail.   Nowadays,   it's like   a normal.   Oh. Legal, in fact, in some places. Legal. Yeah. That's and I think that's good.   Don't fuck around with nature.   It's a plant for God's sake.   You know, take a look at all the chemical stuff that we're gonna put in by subscription,   which is gonna fuck us up. Look at the people that are around us that all fucked up. How many prescription do they have in their body?   I bet   milligrams that are tons   more than when you smoke some weed. And I never saw anyone, especially here in the Netherlands where it's allowed to to have a coffee shop,   that there's not one sign like, oh, there was a there was a bar fight. No, there was the bar that gave alcohol to whatever people that fucked each other up. Right?  

How would it look like when you're   too fucking stoned and you bump into somebody,   like, ain't sorry, man. Yeah. Sorry too. I'm gonna smack you in the face.   What?   I'm gonna smack you in the face, man.   What are you gonna do?   You know? I mean, that conversation alone could be like a war winning   shit. You know? It's not like the alcohol when the alpha comes out and all that stuff, and all these people are just like that.  

[00:57:57] Unknown:

So then what would you say your overall feeling of LA was?  

[00:58:01] Unknown:

It had a great fight. It it it,   I was talking to Milton the other day. It had something like   a connection breakthrough   in me,   just like, wow,   this is something   like a new project for me with more steps up.   I mean, you know, when I'm working about, like, podcasting, like, my skirt and all the stuff, I'm walking around like a school with my skirt.   Probably I could get it off the ground here in the Netherlands,   but it would take me   much, much more time, energy, and effort to do that than   LA. It seems like, you know, the, the   there's this decade of something that was and never will be. But there's also a new   opportunity in the network and that you can do. And the and the I don't know the vibe also. They were just, oh, it's cloudy. Well, it's until 1 o'clock, and then the sun pops up, and then you're going to be burned alive.  

Right? But it was so, I don't know, man. It was so fun.   It had something like,   it was my first time touch base in America.   Home is the wrong script.   It is the wrong   thing to call it. But it felt like, oh,   here's the new opportunity. Like,   that fight.   That fight.   I'm right?  

[00:59:35] Unknown:

That was the word I was waiting for you to say was opportunity. Because I know that your energy and the way it interacted with LA, it was more of an opportunity energy. I was waiting for you to say opportunity because and that's the thing is that   somebody's vibe of a place is their personal vibe. It's how the geographical location is mixing its energy with your own personal   vibe. Right? And and as as your soul is communicating with you now, if you're getting a vibe of opportunity,   maybe that's something to act on. Right? Like, that's what you lean into is the feeling that you got from LA.  

[01:00:11] Unknown:

Don't get me going because   the universe moves in mysterious ways at this moment. It's really   yes.   I think without the   experience   and without   the feeling of the opportunity that we had, For all, for me, basically, was an opportunity, and this trip, this   meeting with tremendous people with the right mindset,   with the respect to each other, you know, without without any   there was no no way that I had one assignment like, oh, what what? What a dork, what an asshole. Nothing.   I have that with my friends here. It's like, Oh, what an ass. You know, or, or not always, of course, but you know what I mean? Something like,   what is that that connects us and   gives us the respect to each other and talk to each other with completely different mindsets?  

People that are listening, completely   different mindsets.   Kati   is more in the same vibe with me. Just like, okay, I do not believe in the book. I think it's fascinating.   Do your wrong thing. It's not my thing.   Milton,   same. We were team   Milton, right?   Yeah. Right. So and then you got Josh Mundy, you know,   great guy.   But, you know, in scripture,   I I thought it was really fascinating when I I figured out that his wife is totally not on that side.   Totally. He's way more spiritual. And stuff like that. Well, I'm just like,   so I think that even the universe,   just like you said in the beginning, like the twin flame going,   I hate that word because it's   it's tapped me a little bit in my heart for the last couple of weeks, but okay.  

I get you about the same connected energy, right?   When you got that going, there's always duality   and opposites track.   And once you figure it out, that it's a great idea   that I going to wear black and you're going to wear white, Right. And I say, yes. And you say no.   There's friction.   Friction gives you energy.   And I think that's happening and that that's to to give both of you people,   also you with Alex,   some kind of this is my world, that's my world. And then you can grow spiritually, emotionally, mentally, physically,   whatever,   where you have to   find the right person to make that growth possible.  

Because I can give you all the lectures I can reach,   but if you don't resonate   well, if you don't match with that feeling,   it's not gonna happen.   Right.  

[01:03:02] Unknown:

Yeah. And if you're if you're fully aware that life is   chapters,   and you don't have to carry along all the stuff from chapter to chapter to chapter, and you don't have to hold the people with you from chapter to chapter.   How much easier is it then to take the leap of faith? How much easier if LA is a vibe of opportunity for you?   How much of a risk is it for you to take   to just pack up and move to LA for a little while? You're not saying forever,   but maybe the next chapter involves this move. Maybe this chapter involves that, you know, you tapping into a resource that you don't have available to you where you are. Or maybe it's time for a change of scenery. It's time for new people. Right? And you're taking a chance on yourself. When you take everything else out of the equation,   you're betting on you. You're not gonna let yourself down.  

Right. The leap.  

[01:03:53] Unknown:

But but that that that Kathy, that happened.   And it's still there. It's it's still fucking around. Even with my my things right here, which were solid,   which were just like, okay,   I can do whatever the you know?   No. No. Just like, oh, you I got a thought, just like you said. You know? Just the elements, they were there.   I   figured out my thought. I put it in the ether and   your thoughts   can go into reality,   But they do now. I see   like this,   when you see it on movies, when you have this big folds, right?   And then they're cracking it.   And then also,   everything   starts to move, like   Found it.  

You're right.   That's so cool. And just like you said, but you have to   leave your comfort zone behind and just tap into it and see what's figuring it out. Because when it feels good, but why not? If you're curious,   curiosity kills the gap. But   when she's not curious, she's going to turn all that, and she's going to be boring.   I don't want to be boring.   Do you? No. No. Nope. I sure don't. Although there's some comfort for being boring, but that's why I married somebody who's not. Yes. We are sitting on the back of a motorcycle, which isn't like a big fat motorcycle,   and you drive like   in a country where cougars can attack you. Mooses,   bears,   fish.  

Fuck.  

[01:05:33] Unknown:

That's You know? Yeah.   That's, like, the only time that the elements kind of turned against me because I do not like getting rained on on the motorcycle. It hurts. Like, every raindrop is like a bullet.   It hurts.  

[01:05:48] Unknown:

Scotty,   can I ask you, what do you wear when you are on the motorcycle? Like a mini skirt and high heels. Oh, oh, dude.   The high heels, I   hello.   Okay. He there it is. It's  

[01:06:02] Unknown:

it's funny. It's funny because   it's so funny. We just came back from a motorcycle   trip. We went to Spokane, Washington to meet Claude, the producer for Memento. And then we went to Oregon to hook up with Milton and Manny.   And it was on the motorcycle. It was 2 days   and oh my God, like we went from freezing cold weather in Alberta, we were freezing,   to the tire almost exploding.   So we had to drive 3 hours to the next you're in the middle of nowhere.   3 hours to the next place. And thank God the universe made it so that they had the exact right tire. They had somebody available to work on it, then we got back on the bike and just hold our butts across the border to America. And   it's hot. It's hot   because we started up freezing. I'm fully geared. No heels on the bike. However, I did pack them in the saddlebag and make sure there was room for my heels.  



[01:06:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, girl. You know?   Oh. Fair Felix, you lucky bastard.  

[01:07:03] Unknown:

Right. I also have this much space. The saddle bag is tiny and I'm not wearing a backpack. So, you know, like, yes, priorities.   Anyways, and then the next day it was plus 40 degrees   in Washington and Oregon and we're just dying.   You know? And all of this gear, like, the elements are for real, more so on the motorcycle. Like, you feel the rain, you feel the heat. Friend, I have to say, I know what Idaho smells like. I know what Washington smells like in British Columbia. That's the things you miss in a car. I know the smell of each and every place we visit. It's unbelievable.  

[01:07:37] Unknown:

It's totally   in the elements.   You   are so aware,   and and just be I I love to drive for a motorcycle too. Right?   It's something that connects you so much with the elements and with the seasons. I can see just by driving, just like, oh, gonna take like 3 weeks, and the first leaves are gonna turn brown. It's gonna fall off within 4 or 5 weeks.   I can see that. Or when I'm driving in the winter, well, winter time is not that extreme here in the Netherlands as where you are, right? Where you freeze to death, where you take a piss outside   or get grabbed by a bear.  

Yep. Dude, that's so hot.   And I was talking to Alex about it. Just like, oh,   I think it's really nice to drive like in Germany,   right? You got some beautiful places in Germany   and some remote.   But after a while, you see a little village, oh, comfortable.   You know, you gotta drink, you gotta good food, you got some sleep.   Where you live, you can drive for hours   without seeing   people.   That's all   I wanna I wanna   I gotta do I gotta go. I gotta call you.   We made some problems already. Right? You really do.  

[01:08:57] Unknown:

Yes. But, oh, our place is you know, it's funny because, our Airbnb is really busy right now. It's the summertime. People are coming to the mountains.   But for some reason, and I've never done this before, I blocked off our Airbnb from being booked from September of this year to September of next year, and I've never done that. And I don't know why I did it. It just was one of those things where it's like, oh, I have to block it off.   So now we have it available to people who I think are really important to us to come and use it. Come and use the space   to experience   the elements that we have here. So we know that Milton and Manny are coming. We have definitely extended our offer to you to come anytime you want to and for as long as you want because I have blocks it off.  

You know, like, I think that we are meant to create a space for people to come and heal and experience. And so I'm I'm holding space for that.  

[01:09:46] Unknown:

I love that. I love and and and just just like I said, things are changing.   My life is changing,   well, not dramatic in a in a negative way. It's just like   tremendous. It's like, well, how would he I don't know.   And I love it because   the things that we do, and I think also with you, when you the design and stuff like that, you do that with, with all your love, you put your heart in, you put your passion in it, you put your wisdom in it and your knowledge about things, and then it all should connect, right? And then you present it and just came out, just like you said, that people are going to cry when they see   the design and stuff like that. It's the same thing that we're doing now.  

Like, look at Alex, like a year ago, I think they have now like 1 year podcasting.   Started with just like talking to like   a microphone.   And now all of a sudden,   so many things happened that the people we are interacting with, the the things that we did already, you know, just like, oh, the   oh, without   any expectations,   and then magic is coming across everything.  

[01:10:54] Unknown:

And I was just about to say with no attachment. Right? Fermental is a vehicle for expansion right now.   In a year from now, who's to say there's no attachment to it? You're very able just to let it go.  

[01:11:06] Unknown:

Right.   Right.   And it's it's it's it's really fascinating that,   do I think you're gonna like the book.   It's called Zen and the Art of Motorcycling.  

[01:11:21] Unknown:

Alex has that book.  

[01:11:23] Unknown:

That's,   Kati, that's a great book because it's about psychology,   with riding the bike. And what I wanna point out is is really strange. Here in the Netherlands,   you are very stupid.   People do it, but you're very stupid when you're having shorts on and like your sneakers and drive a motorcycle.   Because there are fucking idiots on the road. Right?   Everywhere there are idiots on the road,   but here comes the thing. When you go to   Germany,   where you can basically drive, like, 50 or 60% of all the highways, you can drive as fast as you want.   People drive motorcycle with   shorts,   sneakers,   no gloves. You know how hard it is when you catch a fly with 200, well, 100 miles an hour on your wrist? It's just like, oh, just like you said with the rain. I had this shopper and I had this, this bandana, you know, on my nose, and it started to rain just like   my face was yellow and purple. And just like somebody pinched me with a fork, like,   what?  

Oh, since then I was wearing a helmet, complete helmet, just like not, not only the, the, the pot hat was a pot hat, but, you know, just like, holy shit.  

[01:12:40] Unknown:

Yeah. The motorcycle is like somebody has taken and turned the dial up on your experience of living. Right? Like, they just heard they crank the dial. Yeah. The bug is gonna feel like a bullet. The rain, it hurts. But the smells and the sounds and the feelings, like, everything is ramped up. Everybody should motorcycle.  

[01:12:58] Unknown:

Yeah. I def yes.   I I think if I had,   the permission to to get, a border check-in, like someone, okay, you're gonna get him come into my country and all because I got a fucking flag.   I would show you like the olive man CT,   like really fast driving.   When they had something, oh my God, that's out.   If you don't understand that   on a board camera, how fucking   fun it is to drive like that fast. And it's possible.   Right?   It's just like listening to Ira Maiden   and you say like, what the hell is ouch.   You're   out. It's done. We can only channel these little examples.   My perspective for it, because I don't want to be a   dictator.  

Really? No. No. No. Really?   No. No. I just wanna pick up my own people. No. That's   smart. Right? No. Driving a motorcycle makes you   not only aware of the elements, but it gives you great stories within now and 10 years. Because when you're gonna tell young people in 10 years that you were sitting, you were sitting on a fuel explosive   motorcycle   with explosions of gas   on your balls.   Dude,   how cool is that story for your people within 5, 6 years? Right? The little people. It's like, oh, everything is electric. Now I'm going to plug in my my hybrid. Whatever the fuck.   No. I was sitting on a   explosion   gasoline thing   right on my balls.  



[01:14:41] Unknown:

Yes. Yep. It's perfect. It's perfect because now they're trying to make a society of Betemen,   you know, and it's like,   no. A real man puts his balls on explosions of gasoline.  

[01:14:52] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:14:55] Unknown:

That's what women want. That that's exactly.  

[01:14:59] Unknown:

You know, you got a life, so so,   you know,   you're not going to survive it anyway. So don't take it too serious. But sometimes you have to,   it's the bad boy mentality.   You know, that I think it's like that. If you don't cross the line sometimes, or you feel like, oh,   and I had it sometimes too with the motorcycle trip, just like,   oh. Yeah. Right? I squeezed my butt once so hard in Austria when we went down   from a from a mountain snow, all the stuff, when it went down, I said to my friend, just like, my fucking   butt hard hurts. She said, why is that? I said, I was squeezing so hard because I could get off the ramp, like, 300 meters down. She's like, bye bye.  

That that realization that you have, like,   125 horsepower on a 200   kilogram   bike   that you have to tame and wanna stick,  

[01:15:56] Unknown:

fuck you up. That's it. Yeah.  

[01:15:58] Unknown:

That's exactly it. Don't you have your driver's license? Do you have your driver license and, like, motorcycle driver license?  

[01:16:04] Unknown:

It's funny. Because I was just gonna go there that I don't drive the motorcycle. So I would love to write a book from the perspective of the passenger   because, especially being a woman, to have the   insane amount of trust in the person that's driving,   that you're risking your life too. Right? Like, I have to fully trust in everything that he's doing.   But in him taking that action and driving the motorcycle,   I get to sit back. That helmet goes on and I'm able to take it all in. I get to see the scenery. Like it's meditative   for me. I'm in a meditative state on the back of a motorcycle.  

He's created that space where I get to do that, and I have all these weird ambitions and feelings that I get off and I'm like, dude, like, I am ready to to give life to you. I'm horny now. Right? And he's like, yeah, me too because I was, like, rocking the road. Right.   It's such a perfect   analogy of man and woman, masculine and feminine, and and the things that have to happen between the two to create this unbelievable   experience.  

[01:17:06] Unknown:

Right. Oh, I love that. I love that. And just like you pointed out, but I got a I got a quest I got a question for you, Conte.   Do you have intercom?   Can you talk to Alec? Nope. Good. Nope. I think that's why the trip is so worthwhile because everybody shut it up. You know, you take your you take your helmet. You are into the elements. You hear him just like, oh, that's a good corner. He's   like, oh, yeah, baby. Give it to me. Give it to me, baby.   And then you see the scenery.   Just like if you are in space, right? Because there's nothing   that holds you back like with a car, with some   whatever the fuck there is in the car.  

It's even not like a convertible.   That's a Cannon Barbie   stuff.   Oh, I feel it in my hair. No, you shouldn't supposed to do that because it's gonna take electrolytes   off your air. So you're gonna be Right.   You're you're gonna be falling asleep with dinner.   Oh, I'm so tired. Yeah. Yeah. You just fucked up complete your energy by driving this fucking convertible you put on the helmet.   You are just like this   spaceman,   and then you gotta do the stuff.  

[01:18:19] Unknown:

But it's We live in a we live in so many boxes anyway. We live in a house that's a box. We live in we drive in our cars that are boxes. We have to live within boxes, these invisible boxes   and the interactions we have with people and our jobs.   Why would you get on a motorcycle   and and put yourself in a box in that somebody can still communicate with you to your ear? Like, yeah, you're free. You're totally exposed to the elements. And in order to really appreciate that and   integrate that into your being, there has to be silence.   Right.  



[01:18:51] Unknown:

Even when I go driving   with my friend,   we took some tours, the best thing is when I put on my helmet and everyone shuts the fuck up and I can do my own thing. This, I was.   You know, just like I don't,   nobody can interact with you.   And when you,   oh, this is a beautiful place. Nothing planned.   Nothing. Never.   It's like, oh, and it looks good. Oh, let's check it out. No. Oh, he's gonna laugh. So I go laugh too. Hey. You got a room? Yeah. You got some dinner? You got a beer? Yeah.   Cool.   Your   fight? But, Scotty, we we promised   that we were doing a podcast about   marketing design,   which we covered quite a bit.  

And you knew the other one. What was the other one? Sex?   Yes.   What do you think about nowadays society when it comes to sex? How how how should we do with Ari?  

[01:19:56] Unknown:

That has been so I went to LA, and I that wasn't even on my radar to think about   what is the significance of sex and how it   shapes who we are and the relationships we're having. And then all of a sudden, I'm interacting with people who have all these different opinions about it. And like, wait a minute. What? We don't all think the same way about sex?   Right. You know? And then so ever since that day, I I have been trying to figure it out. And I don't think that I have figured it out except that it made me look harder into   what I think about it and how it shapes my relationship. And   I'm constantly asking Alex, what the hell is the purpose besides, of course, pleasure? But, you know, what is the purpose of it? And and so we have been talking a lot about the connection.  

And if 2 people can experience this kind of connection without having sex. Like, is this sexual connection very different from any other kind of connection?   And I think that it   think it is for me, because this is my experience. I can only report back on my own experience that   when you take sex out of the equation,   you're losing something   significant. It's part of the human experience.   It's, yes, you can have a spiritual connection with somebody, but if you take the physical aspect out of it, is it a true human experience?   Right. You know, like, you think about AI and   AI has no ability   to tap into water or tap into air. Like, the elements are what makes us human.  

And I feel like that's maybe part of the things with the relationship with sex too is that we need to still hold onto it to experience that human connection.  

[01:21:35] Unknown:

Right.   And it's   also   a journey for me, what happened before and after   in my personal life,   based on relationships and stuff like that. And it's just like, okay,   I like sex, come on, all right.   But   there's there's duality within me   that strives for a good relationship with people.   And some you get fucked and some you can fuck up. Right? Then that's that's Yep. Funny thing too. And sometimes you don't wanna have sex because you're gonna fuck it up.   But the relationship, the spirituality that you have, the emotional, whatever you're gonna talk about, oh, that feels good. That's connected with you.   That makes it so precious.  

But   when you have the same thing going   and you wanna share   more, like more in a tantra, more   in the magic of the universe,   you   have to   begin to be it, right?   And that's very hard   how people,   interpret that   speciality   because it's very strange. A lot of people are searching on the Internet for   love.   Even   I got   now since I do podcasts and stuff like that, people that,   especially women,   gender whatever because I'm Robbie.   It but   they reach out to me, and they're they're very lonely. And,   so   they   don't   have   sex, and they don't have   a relationship   with someone that's truthful and meaningful.  

But the thing is, what really   fascinates me,   which is really bizarre,   is that there are a lot of people   can   buy   sex,   but you can buy a friendship.   You can buy a good storytelling.   Just like,   we're hanging around now. We're doing our thing. We're having a great time. Well, I have a great time. I hope you do it too, right? There's a connection going on. There's some   good feeling about it.   I think that's more worthwhile   most of the time over a human existence   than,   you know, Put my penis into it, poor nanny. That's not the thing that's just like, you know, wake up. Okay. When you wake up, just like, okay. All ready to go. Right? But it's not like that you wake up every morning that you have to satisfy that   need or that lust.  

It could be, but that's something different.   Even if you wake up with that thing going,   you have to realize   what's there in your bed, whoever person that is, or I don't know, your fucking pervits, whatever you want, But you gotta need a connection   spiritually   attached   to do some good stuff with it because you,   for 50 minutes for 50 Euros or whatever to do the thing.   It gave me a fucking error, Connie. It gave me an error of thinking about that.  

[01:25:04] Unknown:

Just because you can buy it probably doesn't mean you should. This is the thing too. Like,   women can go to work like men, but should they? The so I love this whole, like, should I? Like, there's always that but   Right? So for an us, like, what I think for us is that,   the sexuality,   the sexual the the sex is its own entity in our relationship.   And it serves a different purpose for different   moments, for different things that have to happen. And just like anything, there it's so easy   to manipulate it, to abuse it, to allow Yes. You're right. You're right. Through it.  

[01:25:48] Unknown:

You women, you are so divine goddesses   with the knowledge   of mother manipulation   that you are all   having this gift.   Because   when I say to women,   and   no pun intended. When I say to women, you know what? You know what? If you're gonna get if you're gonna do the groceries,   I'm gonna lick you tonight.   Fine.   Well, how many people are manipulated? What? You know what, honey? If you bring out the trash, they're gonna give you a blow job. All right. I'm a, you know, everyone, the whole street is full with all the trash. They, he put out all the trash cans.   And that's something too, because we have this   strange thing going like,   I don't know whatever time, time doesn't exist, but we live in this time zone   that we have people that don't know what they are.  

Right?   I can sit down. I'm still a man.   Do I have to   pronounce that, that I'm a, that I'm a perverted,   sea dog who wants to be called hawk?   You Come on, shut the fuck up. Everyone.   And I love   You know that I talked about it. We talked about it. I love   all people. Really, I do love all people. Everyone has something that I'm really   fascinated about. It's psychology. It's it's about   it's so many things. But here comes the thing. No matter if you put a penis on your body or you take it off,   once you're dead and they find your bones within 1000 years,   someone can point out that was a male or that was a female. What you do in between in the fleshy mode, whatever   you're gonna attach,   it does not matter.  

If you don't feel like you are a woman in a man's body or a man in a woman's body,   I feel sorry for you.   Right? And you have to pronounce that. You've gotta tell that to people that you don't feel okay with it. But nowadays,   you got   people   in high school or whatever, elementary school, that go to a litter box.  

[01:28:05] Unknown:

Well, I can't even. You got lunch?  

[01:28:08] Unknown:

Find your fucking squirrel in the woods,   Misty.   Right?  

[01:28:14] Unknown:

Yeah. It's wild.  

[01:28:16] Unknown:

Yeah. But It's wild. It's wild. And it comes back to   the perversion of sexuality   that's interpreted in our society   with a purpose.   And it comes back now also to me with the book that we're talking about about a perversion   of thinking,   living,   and feeling   about what real life is and when somebody tells you how to live  

[01:28:44] Unknown:

it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, if you were born   in a situation where there was no other humans around you, except perhaps one of the opposite sex,   you would never ever feel shame because you would know what that is. You wouldn't have your parents or anybody else sitting there telling you you've had that thought, you touched yourself there, you're perverted. There would be no shame. There would be no guilt.   Right? You know, it would just be this this pure   physical human thing that is meant to be it's meant to be.   Right? So I think that the whole confusion thing wouldn't   be there if there were no feelings of guilt and shame and whatever else society has done. You would come together with someone. You don't know where your penis starts and her vagina ends. You come together and it just makes one that's why I say sex is an entity.  

You cannot tell me where you begin and where I end in this moment because we have come together.   Mhmm. Right? The parts don't matter in this moment. And I think that there's also so much fun in   in the playfulness   of getting to that moment.   Mhmm. You know, like, the the lust. I think that that lust is part of the playfulness in setting up this stage for allowing this sacred thing to happen. Like and and a lot of people say, oh, sacred, but I mean, it is a sacred union. Right? I mean, you can have all the fun you want and and do whatever you you have to do to get there. But once you get there,   you're crossing a threshold into ceremony   and expansion and something that goes that starts human and takes you somewhere else. Time doesn't you wanted to talk about what it feels like to live in a a nonlinear timeline where the hours don't matter. That means have sex with somebody because in that moment,   time stops,   and you have access to all these amazing things.  



[01:30:37] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes.   But it's also   something we see nowadays. In the early days, they stay together. So you have   always a good or bad connection with the person that you are with.   Nowadays, you can stick your pussy or your dick, whatever you got,   into whatever you want.   I mean, I think it's unfair.   By the way, Kati, I think it's unfair. Talk talk to me about it. Why do you women   have so many fucking sex stories and we only have something like a vibrating vagina   to jerk off? That's unfair.  

[01:31:18] Unknown:

Wait. Wait. Hold on. Sex stories?  

[01:31:20] Unknown:

Sex sex toys. Yeah. You I'm sorry. Sex toys.   Six toys. Yeah.   Like Tarzan.   You got this   no. What's it called?   A fuck. The the lush?   Oh, yeah. Even me, I like the blush. It's   a vibrating   egg,   like, like, like,   a semen cell with a, with a little thing. You can put it in whatever. You can put it on something,   but it's also   connected to Wi Fi so everyone in the world who has your password can   do this with it.  

[01:31:58] Unknown:

My god.   I live in a cave. I don't know about any of this. Oh,  

[01:32:04] Unknown:

that's my profession.   I love and and,   yeah. That that's something. Okay. Not well, that's it. But the thing is,   if   you and now, of course, not every woman is gonna use a vibrator or a dildo or whatever, but there are so many things.   And especially,   I think it came when there was a sexual   revolution in the sixties, you know?   When there was free sex and it didn't turn out because everyone was fucking on acid, and you know, we got stupid babies, all that stuff. You know,   gee, we got a disease. No. That's called a baby. Right?   No.  

Listen, no no point of time. But   men have   and we function   otherwise. You know, a woman likes to be aroused by reading a book, you know, and Doctor. Clark came into the office   and his breast chair would go,   whatever the fuck. You know, he was really good at letting go. And, oh, his sweat was dripping on her breast. Whatever the fuck. Right?  

[01:33:10] Unknown:

Right? You need to read better books.  

[01:33:13] Unknown:

Right?   But men are just like, oh, show me that.   Show me. So, the visualization,   just like women porn is completely different as men.   And   the indoctrination we got from porn is like, Oh, she wants to get thought like that. No, no, don't do that. If there's a good interaction and you both want to go that way,   cool. But it's not like women want to be treated like a porn slot when they are doing the   sacred thing. Right?  

[01:33:46] Unknown:

Yeah. I think that there's a lot of things that are pre hardwired into men and women to create a certain way that we get aroused.   So   for you it's for men I don't see for you, but for men in my experience, it's very visual. It's a very visual thing. And and, you know, it's like poof horny.   Like,   we know for a woman, it's like, oh my god. Whoever can invent the thing, the pill that we take it and it's like poof, horny. They're gonna make a $1,000,000,000   because there's so many women who are struggling with   so for women to get turned on, it's so much more than the visual. Like,   a naked man standing in front of me is probably not gonna do it, but the way he says something or the action he did, that he protected me. All of my fantasies,   I am always the damsel in distress. I'm always visualizing being rescued and saved. And because it's like, oh, this person's important to me. I'm gonna risk my life for them. Like the Robin Hood with,   with, Kevin Costner,   you know, and the song, everything I do, I do it for you, and I would die for you. I'm like, holy crap. That is exactly it right there. You know? You say that you're gonna.  



[01:34:54] Unknown:

It could be to look just like, oh, I fuck you. I'm melting. Why? The way she looked.   What?   It's like,   I'm trying to get a hard on. Come on, the way she look.   No.   No.   No. And you got these bathroom eyes and stuff like that, of course, but that's only a part of getting horny for a man. And the funny thing is I think it's really funny when you're reading a book, some kind of book with a cross on it,   you can't touch yourself. Like in the early days, he said, you know, you got your hands above the blanket and stuff like that. But when you wake up in the morning as a manager's like, holy fuck,   what's that?  

I can't pee. How the fuck should I pee with a heart on? I had to figure that out throughout my life.   I woke up this morning in a 10. It was really,   like 86. I figured it out. 86 degrees   Fahrenheit.   That's hot because there's a lot of humidity   here. And I was sleeping in a tent because I was staying over with a friend of mine,   with these 2 girls. They went camping site, blah, blah, blah.   And I   woke up just like sweaty because it was warm and hot and with a huge fucking boulder. And I just like, I can't go out of the tent right now. I mean, when the girls are away, what what and I had my skirt on, so it's just like, oh. I couldn't lay lay it like, you know,   put it on in a in a in a nice way back.  

However, we're gonna do that. You're just like, oh,   not gonna see me. So,   but yeah. And men get horny. And I always said, well, not always, but to my girlfriend, when it's hard, use it. You know, it's not it could be sitting in a bus. A lot of men kind of relate to that. When you were sitting in a bus on the backside of the bus,   you're gonna get a boner.   Even if you never had one. Go sit on a back on a bus and notice this just like   Next   oh, no. 5 minutes away from the next bus stop. Shit.   But with women, it's just like, oh, you saw how how that guy looked or how vulnerable he was or the way he smelled, all these things, the the completely different   ways somehow.  

It interconnects,   especially when you have something going with someone,   you know, he smelled good. He said the good things, all the stuff.   But I think   where are we going to?   I think there are people nowadays jerking off an AI porn. What the fuck? It's like reading a comic book. I need I need the real deal.   Even if it's, like,   not that   beautiful in my   perception,   but it's a real deal. It's not like, Oh, I'm jerking off on a   comic   strip. Makes no sense.   And the funny thing is,   like, when you look at movies,   especially the old ones,   how women get aroused by that.  

One of the biggest things that happened, like, a few years ago with,   was   it, 10ths of great? No, no, no, no, no, a little bit   as a movie that made mainstream,   60   50 Shades of Gray. 50 shade I never saw it, but 50 Shades of Gray. I like real   porn and not that that that stuff. But women just get really on just like,   I want,   when you go to the grocery store, yeah,   can you take some tape with you and,   maybe like something that we can,   you know, it's like, oh, wow. And   the thing that happened,   the insinuation about what's going and the the interaction between them 2, and that was on the moon, but I I figured out myself by watching porn and doing live.   That's something that's   the magical stuff, right? You could have that with a complete stranger in an elevator just like,   well, she smells good. Oh, she's looking at me.  

Oh,   oh my God.   My little friend is looking at that too properly. You know, and it's really fun because you know that even when you,   because you have like 25 years now, a relationship   with Alex,   that's also something like, wow.   Both of you. Wow.   Because nowadays, it's like, well, I'll say skipping brands like squirrel, but it's skipping humans like a title,   right?   Oh,   that worked out. Why? Well,   I don't know, but I got this other girlfriend going and   she's not that complicated.   Oh, and after a week, it's another one.   That's something also   which, yes, I could do, but   do I want?  

Should you? Should you? Yeah, right. Should you.   My dig is fucking magic. I'm not going to put it in everything. Just like, Oh, oh, you just fucked your dig off. Oh, shit.   You have to be And especially nowadays when you have so many people having intercourse with each other. And I think it's completely different than when you were living in the sixties,   when something else was going on. Nowadays, you don't know who   you're who you're giving your   divine energy to.   I need to figure that out first.   And, of course, this is Yeah.   Right?  



[01:40:40] Unknown:

Yes. There is it's funny because we live in an age of instant gratification, and there must be a solution, quick fix to this.   But the long and the short of it is is that if you're looking to connect with somebody and you want to have what sex is supposed to be and feel like, there is a certain amount of work that goes into getting there.   There's really no quick fix. Like, I think that with 50 Shades of Grey, from my perspective,   it's not about   the dominatrix thing. It's not it's not about that. It's about   what is attractive in this person. Like, for him, for me, it was he's got his stability, his core, his money shit figured out. That is so appealing to me because that tells me he can take care of me.  



[01:41:25] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:41:26] Unknown:

Uh-huh. Now I'm willing to invest a little bit more. And then I find out that he's got vulnerabilities, and there's room for me to come in and transform some things within him. I'm a valued this way. Wow. Now we're talking next level turn on. Right? Now I'm willing to be dominated and engage in this unbelievable human thing. Like,   you know, like, there's certain things that have to be in place for us. Like, he really has to have his shit figured out. He has to be able to take care of me. Right. You know, like and be totally vulnerable and open to me coming in and helping him figure shit out.  

[01:42:00] Unknown:

Right.   It's it's that the the the process that   and what on what step is he or she, of course. Right?   And,   there's something going like, and of course I'm not trying to, regenerate or whatever, but a lot of women are just like, okay, I need a rich man who takes care of me. Yeah. But what do you bring to the table? How do you think that a rich man is gonna function? He's not gonna be there for you because you're just,   well, not there in his world because he's making carrier,   he's doing his thing. You know, he interacts with a lot of people. He has his business going when he is on,   you know, oh, well, I can cook. Yeah. He   can afford himself a fucking cook. So what do you bring to the table? I think it only works out.  

And oh, oh, I get my brain goes like   it only works out   when you're both   having the same path of success, because you know what he or she is   going through.   Or otherwise, I figured it out,   quite some time ago that when you have a partner, well, let's say your rocket's wrong word.   No, let's say you have   a big sales company. You make 1,000,000.   Sometimes it's nice to be at home with someone that's   less intelligent.   Not stupid, but, but you know what I mean? Just like, okay, I don't have to talk about that high level stuff all the time. So I need that   beautiful   person that which I really love and I give attention and stuff today. We can do beautiful things.  

And a lot of things changed, you know,   like 30, 40 years ago, women stayed at home.   The men took care, just like you said, the masculinity,   you know, I can get shit done. I'm going to get shit done for us.   Right? We're going on vacation. No worries, honey. I'm gonna work a little bit over. You were there with you, you were preparing a meal, taking care of the kids. And nowadays, with both, you got to run   to your job   to figure out if you can still survive next week   and not been thrown out of the house or not been, you know, thrown out of the grocery store because you don't have enough money to buy some fucking food.   Isn't it that odd? And,   oh, I'm safe, man.  

And with all things comes   with   dedication   and stuff that you should let go.   But when I come home, then nobody is there. I'm just like, oh, I cooked your dinner. I got to do it. I fix it myself. But the thing is, because I'm very independent, I can take care of myself.   That's attraction to some people too. It's like, oh, shit. He doesn't need me. So I'm going to run armor   because I want to be in his life. How does he figure things out? And a lot of people have to have moves.   So the one   you need, the other one to get a full one. So he's good in this. She's good in that. Then   right? But   I figured out   not not so long ago that so many people are   willing to sacrifice   so much for just a relationship.  

We're not talking about sex. Sex is something just like I say, you can get on the street corner. You can, you know, you can fuck with everything   you want. But it's not about fucking. It's about the   the   understanding, the mindset, the interaction with another human being that makes so special.   And when comes sex, and that's the same magical   stuff too,   boom, dude, you gotta take it to the fucking universe.  

[01:45:59] Unknown:

It's true.   It's funny because I'm sitting here watching you and listening to you go through all of this stuff and I can see your mind   and your air element just going crazy and you're thinking, thinking, and thinking, and this person feels that and I have to feel that. I'm like, but   how does it feel?   What? Right. Just the feel of it. Like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So so every time I come across an air element, I'm like, slow it down. Because you can spin yourself up into this tornado and now you're like trying to see all these different things.   Slow it down. Put your feet into water. That's what I tell Milton all the time. Put your feet in water. Like, ground yourself. Slow it down because the water's gonna say, oh, wait a minute. There's a feeling here that's going that's going along with this. It's integration. Right? Right.  

So and I feel like so often   telling if I'm gonna tell you to put your feet in water, maybe that means putting your energy into a water element woman or, you know, something else. Like, go and   and don't look for it outside and whatever, but invest it into that person   and see how that feels. How does how does she interact with you? Is she slowing you down? Are you able to get something from her that way? Because saying I'm attracted to you because you're successful.   Okay. Well, what's your definition of successful? Right. Right? You you might have a lot of money, but I mean, I met Alex when he was 15 years old. We were both 15.   We didn't have money. We had nothing.  

But I saw the potential in him.   Right? I saw the success that was there already set up, ready to go if somebody just invested energy into him. And I knew that that person was me, and I needed the same back from him. So it's about   stripping away some of the materialistic   three d things and saying,   what is this gonna feel like? What is the energy? What does it feel like energetically   to be with somebody?   And then, hey, bring that into sex because that elevates it to a whole new level. Oh,  

[01:47:50] Unknown:

yes.   I totally agree. And and the the example that I gave is that a lot of people are looking into that Metroid as being like,   oh, he's he's so handsome.   Is he handsome? Or does he ask the stuff that you want?   Right? Like, oh, he's driving like a fast. How many people are buying like a fast car just to get pussy?   Woah, woah, woah, since, since, so,   so   maybe someone is more handsome, but he's broke. But   don't you should share energy because you don't know. Maybe that the guy with with with with a fast car is a jerk.   And the guy that's sitting down on the road with no money that had a rough life has some beautiful things to tell you. Even if you see some people on the streets that they interviewed with a beautiful radio   voice. Just like, wow, oh. But if you look at him, just like, oh my God.  

You know, there are so many things   that we could elevate   each other   into life. Just like, oh, wow. You know, what's your true potential? Just like you said, if that feels right and you can, you, you, you, you feel that connection that you can   interact with the same human being that you like. That's really kind. That's, that's, you know, fascinating that, that, that, that you can see a future with and stuff like that. That's so   That's so magic.   I hope everyone   can,   feel that once.   And with that comes also, of course,   getting,   divorced, stuff like that, that it didn't work out.  

And it's,   I think it's also a very rough journey sometimes.   Going to Europe   with little kids. How how old were you kids at the time when you were hiking to Europe with with rucksack with Alex? 5 and 5 and 8.   Wow. That's hard.  

[01:49:51] Unknown:

Yeah. That's really hard.  

[01:49:53] Unknown:

You're a tough woman. And she's   for everyone who's listening to this podcast, it's gonna be all rumble. So you can check out Kari.   She's beautiful. I think you're beautiful. But, but not only on the, not only on the way that you, the way you look,   but the way you are, the way you have,   we hope we didn't feel each other, but that the energy that we were connected with in, in LA,   with all the stuff, just like that was so you know? But that's because   also that you were open to a lot of other cultures. You saw a lot of people. You met a lot of people down the road and stuff like that. That makes you different people. I think that everyone who   takes a journey and goes for a hike and, and finds yourself and, and struggle with the elements and struggle with yourself sometimes,   be, are better off   with that than   stay there where you think you are.  



[01:50:49] Unknown:

Golf. Golf. Yeah. If I could if I could wish one thing for anybody that's listening, it would be may your relationship   be like riding a motorcycle   Extreme.   Make it make your relationship extreme. Feel everything, the hurt and the sadness   and the love and the horniness.   Like feel it all. Like, don't live within a box,   you know, just just just go for it. Just give it all. And the more that you invest in yourself, the more you work on who you're supposed to be. That changes the field for everybody around you. But guess who's gonna change it for the most? The person that you've committed yourself to, the person you're in love with. You raise yourself. They're coming with you.  

[01:51:33] Unknown:

Right. Right.   And I think,   life is like   a trade, right? You're gonna sit down.   People are around you. People can go into you, in your train compartment.   Sometimes you can skip stations. You can go whatever, wherever you fuck you are. And some some people go with you. Some people come with that. And and,   everyone has that right   with the train that, oh,   so crowded or, oh, finally, oh, everyone got out just like, oh, me, myself, and the train and stuff like that.   I really like that. But you got that in life too.   Oh, too many people. Oh,   or just like, oh, wow.  

Very happy with the friends that I have right now or with the people that I connect with, the people I'm gonna talk with. And I figured out that   magic can happen in in in in several ways. Sometimes I had a relationship that was that was a bad fuck, but a good talk.   And I sometimes had a   good, good fuck, but no talk. That's, you know, and you need both.   I think you can agree with that one arm per se. If you are,   because you are like with Alex, and it's not like, oh, everything with Alex is great. No, no, no, no.   You're going to love the flaws also. You're going to love the errors also. But that what's connected,   right?  

Yeah.   Love this conversation,   because I don't think that   a lot of people   think or talk about how they feel, what they expect,   should have any expectation because   you're gonna be disappointed.   But you can have your expectation for yourself. What do I see in my part? Oh, that's the right word. No gender shit, partner.   You don't wanna have a barfing seal   fight, call the park, right?   The stuff unicorn,   call the park. There you go.   We're almost 2 hours ahead.  

[01:53:46] Unknown:

Crazy. I was gonna tell you, I'm good for an hour. And now what? 2 hours in? Like You're good for an hour?  

[01:53:52] Unknown:

That's   but you give hold.   Right?   Oui.   Oui.   Oh, I was Alex is gonna feel that,   that that that that I've borrowed you for now for 2 hours. Does the price go up now?  

[01:54:12] Unknown:

Oh, definitely. The thing with me, it's always a 100%. I don't even know how to half ass anything. If I'm doing something, it's a 100%. Like Right?   You know? So,   yeah. After 2 hours of of a 100% you, it's like, okay. Now I'm just gonna sit.  

[01:54:27] Unknown:

Right. That's why I smoke. I can take the oh, I'm gonna take a smoke. You know? That that that's just a convenience. You know? Oh, poor. Now I'm gonna take coffee, and now we're gonna ramble on again. No.   What about,  

[01:54:40] Unknown:

would you like to cover You know what's so great is that Alex Alex has your little   let's say Alex has your little smoking   pin on his desk and every  

[01:54:54] Unknown:

Oh my god. Just hold on. My Internet   connection went bonanza, just like when we talked about this.   I have to figure out if my Internet connection is stable or not. Because you were talking about, was so funny that,   on a desk, but then   something Oh, now you're Nothing after that?   No.   And now you're fine.   Sure you're fine. Oh. But tell me about what what has Alex on the desk because you were telling that. I'm not Oh, Alex.  

[01:55:25] Unknown:

Yeah. He has one of your little smoking tins on his desk that you were smoking in LA. He stole it. And then every morning now I see it and I think about you.  

[01:55:35] Unknown:

But that's something also.   And that's   the specialty   with creating these kinds   of relationships,   these connections,   These little things that reminds you of someone or,   you just have to think about it. And, you know, probably when you walk in the room   and you see   that   cigarette thing,   something pops in my head just like, oh, oh, I got to think about a podcast with the county or about Alex. There's always   disconnection going on, and   what I'm doing.   But   we talked about when we were in LA,   that this feels so good that this needs to be extended and this needs to be done   every single whatever. Right? There's no period of time because time doesn't exist anyway. But we got to keep on doing this because it feels first of all, so good. And we made so many great connections with,   without a doubt,   is a very, very strong community   and a very, very   big step for all of us   to grow   and to develop   ourselves   within the group.  



[01:56:59] Unknown:

Absolutely.  

[01:57:04] Unknown:

Yeah. I I I really like that, Simon.   Kathy,   should I,   give you 14 questions?  

[01:57:16] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:57:17] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:57:19] Unknown:

Sure. I think that I don't know if I can answer them all, but  

[01:57:23] Unknown:

Well well, you you can give several answers if the questions aren't too hard.  

[01:57:28] Unknown:

Or you Yeah. I'm scared.  

[01:57:31] Unknown:

You scared?  

[01:57:32] Unknown:

Yes. You're a smart guy. I know that your questions are gonna make me they're gonna make me think, but I'm probably gonna have to feel first.   Right? Let me rescue you.   Very good. Yeah. Right? Yeah.  

[01:57:48] Unknown:

Oh.   Oh.   Right. I'm gonna   I know that I'm out of my habit. Now now I'm oh, absolutely.   Okay. We did this. We did that. We did that. Okay.   I have 4   definitions.   First, what is what's your definition of God?  

[01:58:17] Unknown:

K. Well, I'm gonna scrap the label God and go for what is my definition of   spirit. I have to replace the word because that's a trigger word for me.   You know, my definition is a feeling. It is feeling   so expansive   and a type of love that is so   not even meant for this experience.   And that is the type of love that if you touch a tree, you can just transport yourself there and you have this instant feeling of connection.   It's beauty that can't be described.   You know, in the movie,   Contact   with Jodie Foster, and she's sitting there.   She's waiting to be, like, transported into this wormhole to go up to who knows where. And my favorite line of the entire movie is she's sitting there,   as she says, they should have sent a poet.  

I'm like, how beautiful   for us that it's so difficult to put into words   what spirit is   that you have to send a connoisseur of words to be able to describe it in the first place.  

[01:59:28] Unknown:

I   love that.   Because it's magic.   It's   I think that Mhmm.   It's very hard to describe what it is.  

[01:59:44] Unknown:

I love that question. Now I'm gonna have to go back and I'm gonna have to listen to how other people have answered that question.  

[01:59:51] Unknown:

Well, I have this now for like,   well, oh, no, this one, a definition of, I have since all the podcasts that I did, like the whole,   work. That's the other one. Right? What's the definition of the devil in your  

[02:00:07] Unknown:

Do you want me to answer that? Yeah, please. Okay. Good. I'm excited about that one because I was just thinking about it. So that works out well.   That I do not believe that the devil is an entity that exists outside of you.   I feel like the devil is the part of you that   lives in the shadow side   and reminds you and reflects to you to work on the exact opposite. Like, I have moments where it's like, you know, walk everybody else. I just want to be selfish today.   I want to be horny today. I want to go and spend all this money.   And, you know, I recognize that straight up as, oh, that's the devil in me. Mhmm. You know, why am I feeling this way? He just invites you. He,   this feeling, this devil invites you   to examine   and balance and shed light on where things need to move and change.  



[02:00:58] Unknown:

And I totally agree with you. And I had several conversation with a lot of people that are   or they say,   well,   the biblical stuff, but most people   tell me that the beauty inside of us and the beauty we see is God,   spirit.   And the devil is what we choose to be,   and we can create our own hell.   And I can so relate with your answer. And I loved it like Skid God.   Yeah.   Like that one.   What's your interpretation   or definition of value?  

[02:01:38] Unknown:

Of value?   Mhmm. It's funny because I think that I heard you asking this in LA   and I probably ran away from the question because it's really difficult to   what is your definition of value?   I don't know.   What's your definition of value? Help me.  

[02:02:02] Unknown:

Love,   kindness,   support,   and   to be aware what you've got and not what you don't have.   Right? So people could say like, okay,   I got this tiny house and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they don't see that they have tiny house or beautiful place to live or beautiful friends that support them or beautiful people that you know,   money is a tool.   It's not the definition of value.   When I take money away, you have got to listen to my episode before, 60, it's about value.   So   I can   buy with money right now with all the currencies that there are, gold, silver, diamonds, whatever the fuck you want.   But when these   currencies   collapse,   it's worth nothing?  

So,   when you have a truly divine connection with people   that support you and say like, okay, everything is gone, there's no money,   but we have food, we have clean water, we have fresh air, that's   valuable.   It's   it's,   it's infinity compared to what we think that value of money or diamonds or whatever is.  

[02:03:30] Unknown:

Okay. I know my answer now. That was helpful.   So   I value   the experience of myself.   I value   the experience of   I mean, what would the wind be if I was not here to experience it?   Right? Like, what would love be if I wasn't here to experience it? I am so grateful and   forever in love with the fact that I chose to come and have this experience. Mhmm.  

[02:04:01] Unknown:

Love that answer.   I was glad helping you on it.   Yes. Thank you. This this is the last,   definition. Then we go to   well, we go to other questions that could be a little bit easier   or a little bit harder.   What's your   definition of success?  

[02:04:24] Unknown:

I think that my definition of success is   when you have   figured out how to connect with yourself,   with spirit, and with other people, I think that you are highly successful when you value yourself above   all else.   You know? Because how can you possibly   have a definition for anything if you don't know what it is to be successful? It's like wandering around without a goal.   Right? And you are ultimately successful if you can connect with your higher self and you understand your purpose and you know what fulfills you and you know the definition   of love. That's it. That's all it is? Yes.  



[02:05:07] Unknown:

What's your favorite color, Kathy?  

[02:05:10] Unknown:

I don't have a favorite color. So here is the thing.   I don't have a favorite color. I don't have a favorite movie. So you can cross these off the list. I don't have a favorite song. I don't have a favorite artist. I,   and I've always been that way. And as a kid when someone asks you what your favorite color is, you're like,   oh my god. What do I tell them? It was constantly changing because I don't actually have   a favorite color. And a part of that is my frustration with this 3 d experience that   the matrix doesn't work on me.   I don't watch Hollywood. I don't care about actors. I don't know what's happening in politics.  

So when they have propaganda that comes out, it doesn't affect me because   I'm not plugged into it anyway.   Wow. So I use I use color as a tool. Right? Like, if I need to feel a certain energy or connect with something or someone,   there's a color that's associated with that. Now that color has a purpose and a meaning for me.  

[02:06:05] Unknown:

Right. So the it's multiple   coloring.   Depends on a person that,   everything experience that It depends  

[02:06:15] Unknown:

on the experience. So even with music, I don't have a favorite artist   or   anything like that. If I need to get to a certain way, a certain feeling Mhmm. I'm gonna find music to get me there.  

[02:06:27] Unknown:

Wow. You're the 1st guest that told me to skip   a lot of questions,   and you succeeded in that.   Okay. Next question will be no music, no film. What's your favorite book? But you already told that. So that's neat. Alchemist. Yeah.   What's your favorite,   beverage or drink?  

[02:06:49] Unknown:

Well,   if I need to warm up after motorcycling and freezing cold weather, it's coffee all the way.   And I'm   no. With a little bit of cream. Mhmm. You know, when I hated myself, it was black. When I was struggling with the way I appeared and and I was really I was the Punisher. Like, that's the other my shadow side is the Punisher comes out.   No sugar, no cream, no no enjoyment in life. Food is the devil.   I have moved beyond that. I have grown into loving me for who I am and now I can have all the cream I want to in my coffee.  

[02:07:24] Unknown:

Oh, good.   Yeah. You got to treat yourself. And it's the way you got to look at things. So you can eat everyday cheeseburger from McDonald's.   And when you sell tell yourself, it comes back to a stuff that we talked about on the podcast. When you tell yourself that's really good food for my health, you're not going to get sick.   But if you've got all this stuff going on from what everybody's, oh, that's bad. That's bad. Yeah. You're going to have to self pity prophecy   about,   oh, oh, that's really bad food. That's really bad food. You're going to end up dead. We're all going to,   but   you probably end your life a little bit earlier because   you're telling that yourself.  

So I love that. That's exactly it.   Yes, We are so powerful beings.   I hope we're gonna figure out more about that, especially about manifestation and stuff like that, but   it's work in progress.  

[02:08:21] Unknown:

Right? Aren't we all works in progress?  

[02:08:25] Unknown:

What's your favorite food?  

[02:08:29] Unknown:

Well, I mean I   really love vegetables, salads. I mean there's really hardly anything and for me that's better than a good salad. However,   I really love a really great charcuterie board with an amazingly   perfectly   curated bottle of wine.   Uh-huh. You know, like if I have a chef come out to me and say, here's the charcuterie and here's the exact wine you need to have it with, I will believe you a 100%, and that experience will be like orgasmic.  

[02:08:57] Unknown:

Wow. And what's charcuterie for for because I don't have it in a vocabulari yet, but you will get attached   to shakuri. What was the word?   Charcuterie board. Charcuterie   board. Yeah. What's that? Yeah. Yeah. Enough milk. Meats and cheeses.  

[02:09:13] Unknown:

I mean, it's totally European.   Oh, I no. I figured it out. Yeah. But I did a new but but yeah. And yeah. We call it hapias. That's not You know what? That's funny. Right? No. But it is because it's a part of the experience. So for Hungarians, it's so barbaric, but we just slap a hunk of bacon onto a stick with an onion, and we roast it, and then we just slap bread together and shove it down our faces, and it's the greatest experience   ever.  

[02:09:39] Unknown:

Right?   Have you been too hungry,   lately?  

[02:09:43] Unknown:

I went well, so when we went with the kids in 2017,   we spent   2 weeks in  

[02:09:49] Unknown:

Hungary.  

[02:09:50] Unknown:

And I speak Hungarian, so, I mean, it was very convenient for me. They all do.   I still do not well as broken, but   but yeah. Wow.  

[02:10:00] Unknown:

I was, on a ballad tone,   at the Fenves and it was in Budapest, which is,   oh, you got to go there.   People, if you want to look at old cities like Europe and old stuff,   Buda passed. And it now it's called a city, but there were 2   different   cities.   And I was there, Cachi, when there was, I think it was,   650 or 800   years of existence of Budapest together. And they had a flight show, right?   But not like, oh, some place flew over. No, no.   The Hungary is just like,   45 minutes. And then there was   what's it called?   Like fireworks?   An hour,   not like boom, boom, oh, we wait for next boom. No.  

The whole sky was lit at 1 hour.   Just like,   wow. But   the people, and I do agree with you that the lifestyle,   the food, the wine, the,   the way people treat you. Like, even if you are just in a little village, everyone is, is it's a community itself.   I love that.   What's your,   okay.   Yes.   What kind of clothing you like to wear the most?  

[02:11:36] Unknown:

Anything feminine. So this is also for the new version of myself.   Lavender is   childhood color for me. It's what connects me instantly to my inner child. So Uh-huh.  

[02:11:49] Unknown:

I got a color.  

[02:11:51] Unknown:

Okay. Okay. But associated with   a energy,   right, a different energy part of myself. Lavender is what comes out when I need to feel playful   and innocent. And and I'm allowed to play without having to tell somebody that I'm doing it. Right? Like I just let that part of me go. So the more feminine the clothing, the more it flows around me,   the better I feel.  

[02:12:16] Unknown:

And I know that you love high heels.  

[02:12:19] Unknown:

Oh my gosh.   Seriously. I love them. I can run a marathon in high heels. Yeah. I, when I saw you walking,  

[02:12:26] Unknown:

I love for women.   If you would do me a favor, high heels, but you know   how to walk in it.   And Carly, she walked just like, holy   shit. Well, she knows how. But   don't you agree, even if you have good shoe wear, you got a nice suit, you have to act like,   you got to be that piece of stuff. Even when I walk around with my fucking skirt, I'm not going to work like a, like, you know,   a lost unicorn with a, with a popsicle, you know, it's not,   You gotta be.   Yeah. You,   I love that.  

[02:13:05] Unknown:

You have to own it. You wear whatever you want, but own it. Yeah.  

[02:13:11] Unknown:

Yeah.   What's your favorite holiday destination?  

[02:13:16] Unknown:

Well, for me, because it's not about the destination.   I think a better question for me is what is your favorite mode of transportation?   Because I will not fly. I hate flying. Like, I hate it. And I'm sure it's a past life trauma,   but I love being in the car. I love being on the motorcycle. I like it when it just slows down just enough for me to appreciate the landscape changing.   Uh-huh. Because for me, I just I I round right into everything I'm seeing. And then as it's changing, it's like, well, if the landscape can change, why can't I? Right? Like, I I really associate my experience with with the earth and nature. And so   if I'm flying, I'm missing all of that stuff. Right. And it's it's it's also like,  

[02:14:00] Unknown:

when the landscape   changes,   it's like you as a human, you're going to figure out, can I adapt?   Right? Because sometimes it's really harsh environment. It's just like,   oh, we could figure out, like,   having a wood log there and then you ask by like a passenger. It's a perfect song for you. Iggy Pop with the passenger.   Last two questions. What's your favorite quote? And I think I know that.  

[02:14:30] Unknown:

I I think you wrote that one down. Although, I mean, same thing. The quote is going to be for whatever I needed to to express whatever I'm trying to express to you. So, I mean, if I had to choose 1 and I heard it when I was very little, I think my dad might've told it to me.   And it's just this cute little poem. It's the optimist fell 10 stories at each window bar. He yelled to his friends.   Alright so far.  

[02:14:55] Unknown:

Nice one.  

[02:14:57] Unknown:

I don't know. Right? It just it's no. I'm sure it's completely ridiculous, but it reminds me that, hey, if I'm gonna fall out of a building,  

[02:15:06] Unknown:

I'm so far so good until it's flat. Right? Right. You gotta you gotta make it out of the moment. Right? You gotta Right. Yeah.   Yeah. Last question for you, Adi. What's your life   motto?  

[02:15:21] Unknown:

My life motto?   That's almost like your battle cry. Like,   just go with it. Go with the flow.   Like, for me, really, because I'm so emotion driven,   there is such a danger in letting things bottle up   inside of you and not just emotionally but physically. I mean,   if I if cancer ever entered my body, it would be just that I know I've trapped something in there and I have to open it up and let it flow.   Right? So I'm sure that my motto is going to have to do something with that. Also transformation. The word itself, transformation is like that would be on my flag.  

[02:16:08] Unknown:

Yeah. We're gonna need a flag. We we're gonna conquer some land, ladies and gentlemen, fellow you. We're gonna conquer some land. We're gonna need a flag. Right? And we're going to need to check-in, you know, these ten things like, are we in concert,   Isle of Man teaching? Just like, okay, out of it or not.   Khali, how can people,   reach out to you?   Can you tell me a little bit about that?  

[02:16:32] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, you can just go to the website,   which is, kpdesign.ca.   So dotca because we're in Canada.   That's really the best way to find me. I I'm on social media out there somewhere. Alex and I do these, like, mini video podcasts on Facebook. So if you wanna actually interact with who we are in the moment,   uncensored, you can find me there.  

[02:16:53] Unknown:

Alright. So Facebook but also LinkedIn. Right?  

[02:16:56] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. I'm on LinkedIn too. Yeah. So  

[02:16:59] Unknown:

with your,   permission, I will post all these 3 in the show bio. Sure.   And,   again, I had a great time. And the thing is   you feel the energy just like because we met already,   but   the crash is still,   it's there. You can feel it in the air, right?  

[02:17:27] Unknown:

Definitely.  

[02:17:28] Unknown:

Yeah. I loved it. I loved it. We went at 2 hours and 50 minutes.  

[02:17:33] Unknown:

That's amazing. I didn't even realize that so much time had gone by.  

[02:17:38] Unknown:

That's time anyways.   Right? Exactly. There's only one time that's having a good time.   It's like having really great sex. The time just stops. Oh, damn. Now I got you got me figured by sex, girl, again.   Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm maybe gonna do that after the show, but, no, I'm gonna edit it.   I I I posted just I just posted something on Instagram about accountability,   about addiction.   And it's not something like, I drink too much. Well, people could say, Yes,   I'm a sober junk   and I know how to treat me well   medicated. Let me say it like that way.  

I think   I can function, right?   But the thing with porn,   that's a hard one.   That's a hard one for me to get off.   Very good. Tell you one.   That's a horrible you know, that's a   no. I don't know what it is. And and it it's it's it's so available. And even if you if you don't see it on screen, you're going to find it. It's, it's all over there.   I love it.   I just love it. I don't know why. But it I I do agree. Interaction with another human,   the flesh and the blood and the guts and the whatever. Yeah. I'm in for it. Even when sweaty, it's, yeah, it's gonna be, yeah.   You you see the whirlwind in my head right now? Yeah.  

Yeah. Go put your feet in some water. I'm gonna put more stuff in water now.   Do you need   cold water?   Kathy, thank you for hopping on this organized production. I really appreciate it. I'd   love to see you again.   We're gonna hook up anyways. It's gonna be this year. It's gotta be. We've gotta put it in the ether and it will work all right. I got my passport. I know where to go. Probably somewhere in Calgary there, all that, that, or cock, cock ray. No, cock ray. How you Cochrane.   Right cock   you know what if oh, no. Not knowing. Not at all.   Right.  



[02:19:53] Unknown:

To Cochrane. It'll be hard the whole time. Right.  

[02:19:59] Unknown:

Well, I do hope so. Yeah. That time. Yeah. Please say hi to Alex and the girls.   We, we not only had a good time, we have a good, good time. We will have more good times.   For all the listeners, I hope you enjoyed this episode.   And for all of you out there, have a beautiful morning, beautiful day, or beautiful   evening no matter where you are in this beautiful plain planet.   Thank you very much.   On my heels.   He wasn't always kind,   and he couldn't fulfill my dreams.   Dreams. He's a pain in the ass.   I'm   black as a knight.   God