Welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions! In this episode, host Rob dives deep into a fascinating conversation with special guest Will Duffy, the founder and creator of The Final Experiment. Will shares his journey from being a pastor in a small church near Denver, Colorado, to exploring the Flat Earth Movement and the intriguing questions it raises.
Will discusses his introduction to the Flat Earth Movement in late 2021 and his subsequent deep dive into the topic. Despite not becoming a flat earther himself, he created The Final Experiment to definitively answer whether we live on a globe or a flat plane. The conversation touches on various aspects of the Flat Earth theory, including the significance of the 24-hour sun in Antarctica and the challenges of conducting such an experiment.
Rob and Will also explore the broader implications of the experiment, the importance of respectful discourse, and the value of critical thinking. Will shares his experiences dealing with skeptics and the unexpected resistance from the Flat Earth community. The episode concludes with a discussion on the importance of love, community, and mutual respect in the quest for truth.
Join us for this thought-provoking episode as we explore the mysteries of our world and the quest for understanding. Don't forget to check out The Final Experiment on YouTube and their website for more updates on their journey to Antarctica.
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Unknown:
Skip me branches like squirrel, baby. Welcome, fellow human, to the disorganized productions podcast, the show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode, we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you. Tap into your limitless potential and conquer life's challenges. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human, welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions. Today, we have a very special guest. His name is Will Duffy. And, we're gonna talk about the final experiment.
Oh, yeah. Please a warm applause for Will Duffy. Welcome to the show, Will.
[00:01:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Thanks so much. This is, this is my first interview, I think, from, the Netherlands, so this is great.
[00:01:36] Unknown:
Wow. That's that's always good. To connect all over the world, no matter if it's flat or or a globe. We don't know yet. Right? Will, please introduce yourself to the audience so they know a little bit more about you.
[00:01:51] Unknown:
Yeah. For sure. So Will Duffy here, founder and creator of The Final Experiment. I currently pastor a small church just outside of Denver, Colorado in the US, and I was introduced to the Flat Earth Movement, back in 2021 late 2021. And, it's been an interesting journey, to say the least. I think like a lot of people, when you first hear about Flat Earth, you don't realize it's a real thing. It's usually just discussed as kind of like a joke or in a mocking way. But, a friend of mine is a flat earther, and she showed me that flat earth is is alive and well.
It's very real. They have arguments, and they have answers to a lot of the things that, the globe side will put forth. And so I've spent the last, almost 3 years now, deep in the rabbit hole of flat earth, just learning about it as much as I can. To a lot of people's disappointment, I I didn't come out the other end as a flat earther. I'm still on the globe side, but I created the final experiment so that myself and anybody else no longer has to have any question or any doubt as to what we live on. And so we're gonna be figuring out, as we'll talk about later, whether or not we live on a globe or a flat earth, once we conduct the final experiment.
[00:03:18] Unknown:
Right. Right. And, I think your background is in insurance. Right? And you you wrote some books about money and and taxes and stuff like that?
[00:03:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I was in the financial services industry. I did a lot of things. I did, you know, tax planning, investments, and insurance, kind of the whole 9 yards. I did that for a very long time. I wrote 3 books. I actually, had, intended to write more than that, but after my 3rd book, I became so busy I no longer had time to write. Right. And then my busyness, ended up, as a good thing, but, I had a little bit of a burnout. And, my my my paths kinda changed course and redirected when, my pastor died unexpectedly, and so I ended up taking over his church and kind of switching careers, so to speak. Well, that's a big switch, isn't it?
[00:04:13] Unknown:
Yeah. It is. Very, very Although I think 1 of the biggest money moneymakers there is is the Vatican, right?
[00:04:20] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I'm I'm not on their payroll, so. No. Okay. Okay.
[00:04:25] Unknown:
And, so you you give teaching of the bible. Right?
[00:04:29] Unknown:
Yeah. So I pastor a nondenominational bible church, and we're we're a little bit different. We don't consider any topics off limits, so I've done sermons on flat earth. And, I'll do sermons on really anything that anybody is interested in, and I'll even do sermons on things that I'm interested in, even though even if they don't, kinda follow a traditional, format or or theme that people are used to. Interesting.
[00:04:58] Unknown:
Because there are a lot of takes that people, well, they have their own perception about how to read between the lines of the Bible, of course, or whatever book. A lot of, I say always a little bit perversion there is because everyone wants to teach them their own way. And sometimes it's good. People can relate to that. In the other end, what's been written and how should we think about it, what's been written, right? Because there's a lot of cryptic stuff in it, just how to deal with that. Because I know, I'm a believer of God, not on a biblical way, to be honest with you.
But I know that in Genesis 1, so 1 of the first pages in the Bible, it says that God created the earth and stuff like that. And he didn't say he created the ball. So that's what I find interesting. And I think there are some, probably you digged into that too, because, you're a pastor and also on, you know, on a quest, is the globe or is the flat plain, where we live on, right? So what's been written in scripture, which makes sense for a lot of people with the thoughts of flat earth. The other end is how you interpret the text that's been written. Right?
Mhmm.
[00:06:24] Unknown:
Yeah. So, yeah, interpretation is a big thing. What what I think most, teachers and students of the bible are trying to do is trying to know, a, what was originally intended. It's it's often referred to as authorial intent. This is, part of a hermeneutics conversation, which we don't have to get into. But we're trying to figure out what did the author intend, but we're also trying to figure out what did it what did it actually mean? Because words take on meaning based on, the time period that they're being stated, And that's not it's not always easy to figure out. Right? So Right. Today, we might use a phrase, if it's raining hard, we might say it's raining cats and dogs.
Mhmm. If that phrase goes out of use and somebody, you know, a 1000 or 2000 years in the future finds that written down somewhere and they're trying to understand it, you can go look up any dictionary definition for cat or dog, and it's not gonna tell you anything about rain. So trying to figure out the cultural context of that is is also very important, and so that's what we're all trying to do. And so I know, and hopefully most people know that every interpretation I have of of every part of the Bible is not gonna be right. I'm gonna be wrong on things. And I think the goal should be throughout our life to figure out what we're wrong on and correct it. On Genesis 1, I don't see any shape in Genesis 1. So, yes, it doesn't say a ball or a sphere or a globe, but I I don't think it also I I don't see it stating a a stationary flat plane either. So I think it's kind of a bit, unclear there.
[00:08:04] Unknown:
Right. And and and, of course, there's a lot of loss in translation. Right? So when we translate words from another language, some languages like the Hebrew have 1 word for a smell, a taste, a feeling, everything, just like Russian too. And, because I'm in the Netherlands, I speak also well, as you hear a little bit of English and also German, and I can relate a lot of words, but there are some words that you just can't, translate in the right way without saying too much to describe the word instead of saying it, right?
[00:08:44] Unknown:
That's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. The he the Hebrew language was a very small language. There there really wasn't a lot of words, and so that's another, piece to the puzzle here that can become a little difficult is is in 1 context, a word might mean 1 thing. In another context, it might mean another thing. So, yeah, it's all very fascinating. Right.
[00:09:05] Unknown:
How do you deal with, with the people that are trying to debunk you? We just briefly talked about it that, I saw a show where we really thought that the host was disrespecting you as a human and with the intentions that you have about proving where we live. Right? We can get touch based on that later. But how do you deal with, with all the people that trying to monger you and, debunk you?
[00:09:36] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. So, I I will admit, I did not expect this kind of treatment. I didn't come in as, like, you're wrong. I'm right. You're stupid. I'm smart. I'm gonna crush you. I'm gonna destroy you. Like, that's not how I came into this thing. I came into this thing of like, okay. First of all, I'm gonna be honest about who I am. Right? So there are there are multiple globe side people, and I don't even know their names because it's I I don't even like what they did, but they went into the flat earth community, lying about being a flat earth or lying about I'm I I I need to tell everybody that I'm I'm flat earth now and how do I do it? And, like, that's not right. You know? Right. And they they they even found them found their way into, like, Dave Weiss's home, flat earth Dave's home, by lying about being a flat earther.
So I came into this like, no. I'm on the globe side. That's you know, my my stance is is here. I also came out after I had already released videos about flat earth stating why I think we live on a globe. I had a conversation with Austin and Jaren Campanella on Jarenism. Mhmm. So everybody knew the reality of where I was. But instead of coming out like, hey. I'm gonna destroy you. I I came out like, no. Let's go figure this out. Let's work together. Let's collaborate. Let's not fight each other anymore. Let's not rip each other's heads off than hate each other. Let's figure this out together. And I found something that wasn't an area of contention.
It wasn't an area of contention between the 2 sides. Both sides were speaking the same language, which was what happens in Antarctica with the sun. You've got the flat earth side saying, we think the sun sets. We think there's not a 24 hour sun. And by the way, if there is a 24 hour sun, that means we're wrong. You've got the globe side stating, hey. We do believe there's a 24 hour sun in Antarctica. So I found something that I thought we could all be excited about. Plus, the flat earth side has been excited and talked about for years the importance of getting to Antarctica, how bad they wanna go to Antarctica, how they want the Antarctic Treaty lifted, all of this kind of stuff. So I wasn't expecting the treatment that I've received. And what it's mainly been is, character attacks Mhmm. And kind of going after me for that, calling me a fake pastor, digging up dirt with my previous business, and and other issues like that. And it's just like, guys, like, this isn't really necessary. This is completely irrelevant to the experiment itself. Exactly. I'm not I'm not doing something.
I'm not, like, going to Antarctica and saying, hey. Everybody has to trust me of what my eye saw, so there's no point in talking about me at all. This is all about seeing what the sun actually does. That's the experiment, taking someone from each side to go to make sure they hold each other accountable.
[00:12:40] Unknown:
So it has been unfortunate, but it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you you never know when when when you have good intentions how people look at it and what their perception is of what you're trying to do. Right? What I find fascinating, I was talking today with with with snake, actually, with snake turbine, shout out for that guy who connected us. 1 of the things that really intrigues me is like, okay, when we go to Antarctica, it's not gonna be on Devon Island, but I thought it's gonna be in the middle. Right? There's a base camp in the middle where you plan to land with some people that are hooking up with you. Right? And to figure out, okay, is there a 24 hour sun?
Yes or no? And what does the sun do? So my question is, or my thoughts are like this, okay, let's say we see a 24 hour sun. What does that mean? I'm in Europe. It's like 8, 000, maybe 10, 000 miles away. So Antarctica is like, you know, that far away. So when it circles there, like that little bit, how could be the same sun pointing me here in Europe with like say 20 degrees or maybe 10 degrees depends on, I think it's like December when you want to go. So the temperatures will drop a little bit down. So that's, first of all, my question, like, what do you think about that? So when we see like 10, 000 miles away that the sun is going in a little circle, well, let's or it doesn't set. Right?
What does it mean for when you're, like, 10000 miles away when you see the sunset every single day?
[00:14:27] Unknown:
Mhmm. Okay. Yeah. I'm not sure I follow your question, but let me give it a shot. Okay. Yeah. And just otherwise, I'd try to explain it on a different level. Yeah. So with the globe model, it comes down to really basic geometry, which is that with a single light source, you can only light up half of a sphere. Mhmm. So that's for starters. Right? And so the globe model states that the globe is tilted. And so if we have an axis, with a North Pole and a South Pole and we tilt the globe like this Mhmm. The North Pole right now is tilted toward the sun.
Right. Okay? So right now, there's actually, if you're far enough north, there's a 24 hour sun in the north right now, and both sides agree on that. I haven't heard any flat earthers say there's not a 24 hour sun in the north. Right. But but then in this in December, which is the southern summer, you now have I'm trying to figure this out here. You you now have the bottom. The south pole is what's facing the sun. Mhmm. And so that should create a 24 hour sun in the south. Right. So there there's obvious reasons why that wouldn't work on a flat Earth. But on to answer your question, there's still half the globe, lit up on the globe model, And it's just because that bottom of the globe, the, the south pole is is tilted toward the sun that you get the 24 hour sun, but you still have half the globe here lit up. So even someone in the Northern Hemisphere would still have a sun, the same sun, and it would still rise and set. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. It does. Yeah. Okay.
[00:16:21] Unknown:
And the other thing that popped me up is is like and maybe it's a well, there are no stupid, answers. Or I would know there are no stupid questions. But the other thing I was figuring out, like, okay, when we go to Antarctica and we figure out there's a 24 hour sun, should that prove that we're living on a flat or on a globe? Because, I don't know, do you know, the Terra Infiniti model that there are several, let's say, countries with, several, domes on the Earth from continents. And it's a very interesting theory. It's like, okay, maybe every continent had its own sun.
Because when we take a look at the sun, it's a very fascinating thing, right? Because, especially you're known, just like for me in Europe, I'm quite in the middle of everything, like I say. We we got winters, which are, well, cold, but not too too cold, could be very cold, but in winters, it could be hot. But like now, it's completely different, and it has to do with the weather also. Right? But the thing is when you point out on Europe and when you turn the ball or you turn the flat plane, doesn't matter what, not every single country that hits has the same temperatures.
So what I was thinking, if the sun is in Antarctica not setting, which is very, very close to Antarctica itself, it has freezing temperatures, but it should be also when you take off your clothes, you should get burned. What I'm trying to say here is following. When I go to Switzerland and I'm gonna climb the Alps, the higher I get, the colder it gets, but the sun burns more to me. Mhmm. So I think it's very fascinating. And I think it's very good that someone finally stood up and said, okay, If we agree on this 1 and we let our belief system fade away for a moment, but we wanna figure out, is there a 24 hour sun?
I think this is a great, great experiment. But the thing is, what I don't get is that the people that are willing to put out videos, evidence about whatever it is, it's a globe or it's a flat plane, are not willing to help on your experiment.
[00:19:06] Unknown:
Yes.
[00:19:07] Unknown:
What? So, you are the guy that gives people the opportunity to go to figure it out. And somehow they say like, no. Not for me because I figured out already. Or what's that? What's happening? What did they drink? What's happening with them?
[00:19:31] Unknown:
Yeah. So it's been interesting. The flat earth side, it's really exclusively the flatter side, doesn't seem to have much interest in participating in the experiment. They don't have interest at all. They don't have interest in interviewing me. They don't have interest in making suggestions to make the experiment better. They don't have interest in going to Antarctica. So that is a little strange. Right.
[00:19:57] Unknown:
Why is that that what is your guess? Because I don't know. I'm I'm more into the flat earth. I don't know. Just to be honest, I don't know. But the things that I see, the things that I study, the things that are from my eyes and from my beliefs is like, oh, this makes sense. It's like, okay, we're living on a flat plane. The other thing is, of course, okay, when people are making their life work out of it, and some money could prove, like I said, I don't think that we can prove if it's a plane or a globe when we figure out there's a 24 hour sun, but we can figure out that there's a 24 hour sun, right? So the people like David Wise that said, Okay, I can CGI, I can make the sun like 24 hours or whatever, fine. But I would be super interested when somebody gives me a ticket or opportunity to figure it out for myself.
[00:20:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So What did you do in the past? Come on. Yeah. So let's talk about Dee Weisz for a second. He has stated that he would he's willing to go to Antarctica to settle the debate over the shape of the Earth. He said that. He has said he's willing to fly to Antarctica with people that are on the globe side on the plane, and the people he listed were Neil was Neil deGrasse Tyson and college professors. So he's he's agreed to do that. He's also said that we can solve the shape of the earth debate in a single day in Antarctica. Now he had a different experiment in mind for that single day, but mine works as well for a single day. So all of that said, you would think he would go.
Then but it's okay. Like, I I'm fine. If you wanna turn it if you wanna turn down a free trip to to Antarctica, it's fine. But then Dave Weiss went on Infowars and started stating that, you know, they're lying about the 24 hour sun in Antarctica, and you can't freely and privately explore Antarctica. And it's like, wait a minute now. Then he went on Roseanne Barr's show. Right. And I don't know what he said, but the title of the show is about Antarctica. And it's like, wait a minute, Dave. You've not been to Antarctica. You were you turned down a free trip there. Shouldn't you at least go there so you at least have some experience about antark Antarctica if you wanna start talking about it? Right. So, yeah, that was very strange to me.
Why are they not excited? That's a very difficult 1. My gut is telling me that they're not confident in their position. That's all I can think of. Right. So if you've stated this position confidently like Eric Dube has, Eric Dube has stated it more confidently than maybe any other flat earther. Right. Right. That that that you know for sure there's no 24 hour sun. And all of a sudden, it's like, okay. We're gonna go look. Like Yeah. And let's You you stated you, Yeah. You you it's just like you stated, you know, emphatically that there's nothing behind the curtain. And it's like, okay. We're gonna go up a peak. Come with me. And it's like, oh, I don't wanna look. All I can think of is it's like, okay. What if I'm wrong on this? And so I think the best attitude to take should be the attitude that Jaren Campanella is taking and that Austin Whitsett is taking, which is, hey. We have stated this.
Now that you're making a way for us to go see it with our own eyes and verify it, we're gonna we're willing to do it. And they state ahead of time, we're willing to admit we're wrong if we're wrong. That's the only rational, reasonable response I think a normal person in search for truth would have. Right. Right.
[00:23:39] Unknown:
So but I see and I I love your background because, you got the globe and the flat earth model. Right?
[00:23:47] Unknown:
Yep. Yeah. So we've got both models here. We also have both models of Antarctica right here, which is either an island on the globe model at the bottom of the ball or it's, an ice wall massive ice wall holding in all of the water and the continents. Right. Not holding in the continents, but it's encircling the continents. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just like, hey, guys. Here's the here's the playing board here. Here are the pieces. Which ones are right? Which ones are wrong? As far as I know, I haven't misrepresented either side, and so I'm being as fair as I can.
[00:24:20] Unknown:
Okay. So and, the flight goes, I think, from, Ushuaia or from Argentina down?
[00:24:27] Unknown:
Well, it's, it's actually Punta Arenas, Chile. Right? Yeah. So Ushuaia and Punta Arenas, Chile are both at the very southern tip of South America. And so, yeah, that's every everyone that's going, which I hope is gonna be a lot of people, we're all gonna fly to Punta Arenas. We'll be there for a couple days together. Uh-huh. So we'll be, you know, hanging out, doing videos. Like, I want everybody to be feel like they're there with us. Okay? Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a it's a it's a project together to figure out what what the hell is going on. Right? Yeah. It's exciting to me.
I was just interviewed a couple days ago, and he was like, Will, I'm more excited about the final experiment than the election in November. And I was like, wow. It's pretty cool. So the this is exciting. I think people should be looking forward to it. But, yeah, we're all gonna meet meet up there a couple days in advance, and then we're gonna fly together from there to Antarctica. And we're going pretty deep into Antarctica. It's a 4 and a half hour flight. And on the globe model, the furthest south you can go, the deepest you can go is is 90 degrees south, which would be the south pole if it exists. We're going to write at 80 degrees south.
It's 79 degrees 46 minutes south. So we're going very deep in either model. In fairness to the flat earth model, you know, we don't know how deep it goes. And if the earth is flat, then they're they're hiding something, and it'd be fun to figure that out as well. Right.
[00:25:57] Unknown:
And, so you are, I think, really busy, not only, trying to save your own ass, like, say, on people that are trying to attack you and debunk you and all that mongering and stuff like what's going on. But also with the, I think there there will be, some, you need some permits and stuff like that for people that fly there. Right? Because I think that the, the government will screen who's gonna be on the plane. You know? Because or am I wrong with that?
[00:26:28] Unknown:
I don't think the government's gonna screen who's on the plane, but the companies that fly to Antarctica and the companies that travel there on boats and things, they are they have all of the permits required based on the country they operate out of, the country they depart out of. So, yeah, all all of that is covered. Right. Right. I think it's
[00:26:48] Unknown:
okay. I think it's very exciting, journey, just to figure out, and just like I said, I'm a critical thinker. Some people call it a conspiracy, a therapist, theorist, whatever. Well, I think I'm a critical thinker. So, I think what you can debunk right away, if you're dead or like 24 hours, if there is a 24 hour sun or not. If we're living on a globe or a plane, it's so so the thing is, this earth where we're living on, it's so huge. I was flying the other day to Los Angeles for the first time to America. It was an 11 hour flight. You fly with like 800 kilometers, like 600 something miles, 11 hours.
And then you only touch base on that little piece of the earth, which goes round or goes further. Right? So the thing is, and that's what I brought up like this, Terra Infinita. It states like, okay, you got Europe and you got all the continents that we known from the earth here, but there are other other continents behind a wall or whatever. Right? So we're not allowed to go there. That has a reason, probably. And that's why they also say, like, it's Flat Earth based, but also, Terra Infinita. Okay. When there are extraterrestrials, it comes from extra land, right? It's not from above, from the aliens and stuff like that, beep, beep, beep. No, no, no. It's from the extra land. Why would you call them otherwise extraterrestrials, which is basically extra lab.
So, and I think it's very fascinating to think about it. Okay. If we debunk this, it proves that the sun is like 24 hours. But like I said, when you are basically on Antarctica and you see the sun go that, you know, going round or whatever, 24 hours, doesn't matter. How would reach that sun that you see like, 10000, 20000 miles away the same surface? You know what I mean?
[00:29:08] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. So let me give this another shot. Because the sun in the globe model can light up half of the globe, that's a long distance that it can cover. Right?
[00:29:21] Unknown:
Right. Right. So let me tell you why the Earth model. Right? So so, you know, with the day with, the flat Earth map, like, here's the sun, here's your plate, and it lights up this piece, and it goes round. Just like that. Alright.
[00:29:34] Unknown:
Yeah. So the reason I think a 24 hour sun would prove the globe, and I think it would falsify flat earth, is because you can't make sense, what I'm assuming we're talking about 1 sun, so I'll start there. Right. You can't make sense of visiting somewhere on the on the ice wall perimeter of the flat earth. Right? You can't make any sense of visiting a place, and then the sun is going like this around you because the sun would still have to be traveling its outer circuit around the tropic of Capricorn on the flat earth and lighting up everything. Right? Right. So if you are in Antarctica, south of South America, on the flat Earth model, Australia is still getting sun every day.
Right. With heat. Yeah. Right? And so a a sun if you're if a sun circling you in in Antarctica doesn't make sense. Now so someone might say, okay. What if it's a second sun? Well, number 1, a second a true second sun has never been seen by anyone.
[00:30:44] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:30:45] Unknown:
There's some videos that are always taken behind a window, and windows create reflections. And there's always, like, a reflection of the other sun right next to the other 1. That's not a second sun. But let's talk about this. If there's a second sun, my first question would be, why is it circling where we are in Antarctica? And and if we were if if this trip was somewhere else in Antarctica, would it then move and go circle us there? That doesn't make a lot of sense. But
[00:31:12] Unknown:
most of the work those It sorry to interrupt you. If if you believe this Jason guy, then, you are your own virtual reality, and everybody everybody has his own son. Right?
[00:31:23] Unknown:
Cuckoo.
[00:31:25] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. Yeah. And almost every case it, but it didn't make sense to me.
[00:31:30] Unknown:
Yeah. And so here's what I'll tell you, Rob, is that we're gonna be able to verify that the sun you're seeing is the same sun we're seeing by looking at sunspots. That's a So I'm not saying you have to do this, but if we could find somebody in the Netherlands, that'd be great, that would be able to look with a solar filter at the sun. And we could try to livestream it. We would go in outside in Antarctica, take a picture of the sunspots. Someone in the Netherlands would take a picture of the sunspots, and then we'd share our screen at the same time. And if those sunspots are the same, it's the same sun.
[00:32:08] Unknown:
Right. Well, so talking about that, I would prefer to hop on a plane to figure it out for myself to go to a continent like that, than sitting here waiting for you guys to be live with a filter on the sun. Totally. Because I think it's very exciting, because it's something that, especially nowadays when we have the internet, where we have so much indoctrination going on, so much information going on that you can find out with Google or whatever browser that you use. We got so much knowledge and wisdom for the last couple, let's say 30, 40 years when the internet came around, that these questions pop up. I think in the early days, maybe people talked about it and whatever model they believed in, are they going to be locked up in a mental institution or they are just like free to go? Right?
So it's very interesting that, we still debate the shape of the Earth, although there's a lot of evidence from both sides that we both sides can debunk each other. Right? That we are living or in a flat Earth or on a globe. So, yeah, why not figure it out? So, how many spots do we have available to, or how many people do you hope to hop on and what kind of people do you hope to hop on the plane and figure out, well, figure out about sun in Antarctica?
[00:33:45] Unknown:
Yeah. The important thing for people to know is that we are just joining a regular annual tour to Antarctica put on by a company. So the company is called Antarctic Logistics and Expeditions. They're based out of Salt Lake City, Utah. Mhmm. They have been flying people into for over 30 years, and they have an annual trip. They they have multiple trips to Antarctica, but they do different things. Right? There's skydiving trips. There's mountain climbing trips. There's skiing trips. This is not that 1. This is like the entry level trip into Antarctica. So they have an annual trip that goes to Union Glacier Camp, which is their camp, and we're just joining their trip. So I believe the limit on each on that trip is 70 people, 7 0.
I don't keep up with them and as to how many people have signed up. They just have some spots reserved for me and for the final experiment. And so I'm hoping we have 10 people that are there specifically for the final experiment. I in a perfect world, we'd have 5 flat earthers and 5 globe earthers. But right now, we have 3 flat earthers that have said they're considering strongly going, and they would be paid for. So that's Jaren Campanella, Austin Whitsett, and Alex Stein, if you know who that is. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:35:10] Unknown:
The the last 1, no. But Austin Witsett, yes. I definitely know who he is. He he he yeah. He's a He debunks a lot of stuff. Or he has good debates. Let me say that. So from Yeah. Yeah. So from both perspectives, if you not using the word salad, Dave, festive Dave, and that's another thing. What I really find, disturbing is even if you are both taking a completely different side of view, of perspective, let's say. Mhmm. Why do you, call people names? You do that when you can't win a battle in words to explain something, or you interrupt somebody, or you just like what happened to you is that people, are going to question you, like what the hell, you know, has some of these questions to do with the final experiment.
If you want to figure out who I am, fine, ask me who I am, just like I do. Just like, okay, who is Will Duffy? You explain me a little bit. We're going to touch deep, in the topic that we're talking about, because we like to figure it out. But this disrespect that's going on, did this mud throwing to each other with no reason, with no, so let's say I'm going to call people names when I'm not aware of my real case, that I'm not steady enough, basically grounded, and know where I'm talking about. Right? And, I think that's a pity because we all want to figure it out.
And, then we can point a finger like, hey. You see that? I was right about this, and you were wrong. Okay. Handshake, drink a beer, great experience, freeze your balls off in Antarctica. You can go, you know, take a shit outside or go pee outside because I think, what's the temperature in December in Antarctica?
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Around 30 degrees is the average in December. Oh, that's not too bad. Yeah. It's not that bad. Wow. I've had I've had colder temperatures in Colorado.
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Right. I think here too is like Celsius. So it's, I think it's like 20 20 degrees difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit. I don't know for sure, but I think it's, like, around that.
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Yeah. I think it's closer to 32 Mhmm. Difference.
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Yeah. So what's freezing point in, in Fahrenheit? I believe 32. 32. Right. Oh, wow. I you can go there with a t shirt.
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I don't know about that.
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Oh, man. Yeah, we have here like minus 5 to minus 10. That's normally the winter normally. When the winter's on screwed up by, SAIs, stratospheric aerosol injections. No chemtrails, they are not there, I know. But great talking to you. I wanna deep, dig a little bit deeper. What's your take on, or what's 1 of the experiments that you want to do to figure out except looking at the sound for 24 hours? What what else do I want to do? Yeah. Or you just want to, you know, hop on a plane, go there, look at the sound for 24 hours, and go back.
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So no. I want to there's a lot of things I wanna do. And, yes, I'm almost gonna be exclusively focused on the sun. So if anybody else wants to do other experiments, they're gonna have to do those on their own, which is fine. We already have a guy who's going to Antarctica to do an experiment there while we're there. But the reason I I'm so focused on the sun is because there's a lot of there there's a lot of unknowns. There there's a lot of variables. There's a lot of curve balls that can be thrown at me. So I I wanna be tracking the sun. I wanna be prepared if the sun goes behind clouds. I wanna be prepared if the sun goes behind a hill or a mountain. I wanna be prepared if the sun is setting.
I wanna capture all of this. I also wanna look at shadows, which is directly, tied to the sun because the shadow on a flat earth on the flat earth model should do something very specific. And I've got a guy working on modeling that for me. And then a shadow on the globe side, you don't really need a model for. The shadow would go like this around the object in a circle. Right? If the sun is doing a 360, then the shadow would as well. So that not only do I wanna monitor shadows, I wanna record shadows to see what the shadows do because the shadows and the sun itself will be solid evidence for what the sun is doing. So that's what my time is gonna be focused on Mhmm.
While we're there.
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Did did did you know that in the early days when a, event like, the sun clock, like, just like a normal stick in the ground and then 12 numbers around it, that probably it only could exist on a plain Earth. Mhmm. Because she got, of course, the sun that's gonna set. And otherwise, she because we are spinning and stuff like that. Well, okay, no, let me touch base on another topic. What do you think is the best argument that we are living on a globe? Mhmm. Great question.
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What is the best argument that we're living on a globe? I'm a saint. I'm a big fan. People are gonna laugh at me for this. I'm a big fan of, photography from space. So I personally am very convinced. That's 1 of the main things that convince who live on the globe is just space photography of the earth.
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Right. What about all the people that say, and if you look it up on NASA c CGI, there are no real photos from outer space of this Earth.
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Yes. So I've heard that a lot, obviously. I I'm willing to provide a photo under 1 condition, which has never been met, I don't think. The condition is if someone asks me, Will, show me a real photo of Earth from space. My 1 condition before I go to the trouble of that is for them to tell me how they're going to, test the photo and determine whether or not it's a real photo or not. Right.
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That's it. Thing will be the question, how high should you go to see the earth complete?
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Mhmm. Yeah. So to to see the Earth complete with a single image or photograph, you'd have to go very high. I don't think it could be done right now. I don't even know. Well, that's not true. You you'd have to go really high. I don't know how high, but, like, the ISS, the International Space Station, nowhere near high enough.
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Oh, no. That that's that's yeah. Because my belief system is is, contradiction you to yours. I don't think we ever went to space. But that's something like I figured out myself. And I'm not 1 to grab your butt and hand and tell you like, oh, look at these things all and make up your mind. You know? But I think it's very fascinating. The other question will be, what do you think is the best argument from the flat earth that we're living on a flat earth?
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Yeah. That's another good question.
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Thanks.
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Yeah. No. These are great. These are different than a lot of my other interviews, so it's it's it's good. I I like, some new things. Yeah. So the best argument that we live on a flat earth is probably the inability for, humans to demonstrate that we live on a globe, just any individual any individual human. So just go pick some random person and just say, hey. Pull them off the street. Say, hey. Can you with your resources and whatever you own, can you prove that we live on a globe? That is what I would say is probably the best argument because I'll I'll say this. You can't.
I mean, may may maybe you can, but I don't know how because we appeal to so many things. Like, look at what I appealed to. Right? I appealed to photography. Like, I don't know if it's called, you know, astrophotography or whatever, but I I appeal to photography from space. Go pick anybody off the street. They can't do that. They can't go to space. They can't go take a picture for you. No. So, yeah, I think that's I think that's a good 1. Like, another example would be, you know, if they're like, oh, prove the curve or prove the rotation.
Well, not everybody out on the street could go build a Foucault's pendulum if they were trying to show rotation. They couldn't buy a laser gyroscope that's $20. Right. They couldn't they couldn't go buy a ship and sail it off and see if it disappears bottom up. So it's it's difficult for for somebody to show that. And so from the simple observational standpoint, like, we don't feel like we're moving. We don't see curvature. Mhmm. We see we see a a a flat plane. I think that's probably the, the best argument on that side. Right.
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But because there there there's, of course, there are a lot of people trying to debunk either way, right? So, flat earth says, okay, water always finds its level. That's a fact. I never saw something around the ball that would stay there. That was for me, 1 of the biggest eye openers just like, wait a minute. So at that time, we didn't have like the fancy photographs, like, the P900 and the P1000 like we do now. You know, people would drag me to the beach and say, look, Rob, there's a ship, and now it's gone. Nowadays, even with my camera, which has a 50 times zoom, I can see, look, it's still there. Right?
So And that's of course, where a lot of things happening with mathematics, with, okay, you say this, but, oh, we have to figure out how does it come? I think that and because you talked about photography, I think that the longest distance ever recorded on photography is like 520 miles, which there should be no mountains that you could see. But you can see the peak of the mountains, and even the bottom of the mountains, which is a high, what's it called, with a high spectrum photograph made. These were for me at that time, just like, oh, I want to figure it out. Then, I had to figure out like, okay, I will looking at historic channel, discoveries channel and stuff like that. I really, like old cultures and old civilizations and stuff like that. And they all pointed out all over the whole world, like this, flat thing with a shield on it with a dog. Just like, oh, you know, why does that make sense? And now we're living on a ball. The other way is, of course, we are humans. So, what we get on education is deep within our belief system.
And to let that go and to think differently, even as a scientist. Right? So, okay, the ball falls down. What does that mean? You know? Some people would say, okay, that's gravity. Well, even scientists can't explain gravity. They can't touch it. They can't do anything with it. So, it's a made up word for something that just happens. And that's really fascinating, for me. And I think that you dig into some videos also to debunk your own model or to debunk the other model, whatever model that you're, willing to take. What would you do, Will, if you could save like $120, 000 spend some on disorganized production so we can make better productions and have, more interesting guests and stuff like that.
Just a little quote for myself, right? Disclaimer. But what if there are experiments that are easier to do with less risks and with, less funding to figure it out.
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I don't know if that exists. If it does, someone should tell me. Yeah. So I I've been you know, I there's a reality show, apparently, that's being filmed right now where they're giving 5 families $50, 000 each, and the families are flat earth. And so they're giving them 50 grand each, and they're saying, okay. Take this $50, 000 and go do whatever you need to prove we we we live on a flat earth. And then bring your results to us. It's gonna go in front of a panel of experts. I don't know who these experts are. And then they're gonna try to convince the panel of us experts that we live on a flat Earth. And if they are successful, they're gonna get an additional monetary prize awarded.
Right. So I did a video asking Flat Earthers what they would do with the $50, 000. I don't know if I got any response from Flat Earthers. I I it was mainly from Globers. But, again, the reason I was fascinated by that is because I have spent over a year figuring out with a limited budget, what can I do with this budget? And I think I found the best thing, which is going to Antarctica.
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Right.
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If there's something that could be done that both sides would agree, that's the key here, is I want both sides to say, yes. This is a definitive experiment, which is what we have with the 24 hour sun. Both sides said that until I announced the final experiment. Now some people are walking that back. But, yeah, if if there was something that both sides would agree, yes, this is definitive, and both sides would agree to conduct it together and both sides would agree ahead of time. If the results are, a, we live on a globe. If the results are, b, we live on a flat plane and it was cheaper, I would consider sponsoring that. Right. Right.
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Be be because what fascinates me is, of yeah. Of course, we got some scientists, and we got some math that we can put out if we're living on the globe, that we live on the globe, whatever. But the fascinating thing for me was when I was digging into that topic, that that blew me away, first of all, just like, what? What are they trying to tell here? And then you're gonna dig into your own belief system, like, oh, does that make sense or doesn't? What I would say, like, is it my plausible truth, or is this something you know, fishy?
It doesn't seem to be right. The funny thing I think is that on this from from my perspective on this moment, Flat Earth has more proof, just like David Wise, even that he debunks himself or is talking shit on some other topics on Antarctica, has a lot of proven scientific, methods to prove that we're living on a flat Earth. And with the GLOBE model, it's like, oh, this is the circle, that's a crazy word for me, circumremesis that, what's it called? Where you have the ball? Spherical? Yeah. No. The the where you go around completely. Circumnavigate?
Yeah, I think that's the word. So like 24, 000 miles and stuff like that. Circumference? Circumference, yeah, right. That's a crazy word for me. Circumference, right. Okay, try to remember that. And they show you the data, the map, and well, that's about it. And of course, we got NASA. I think for me, that's a red flag. That for me is a red flag. If they'll see you who invented NASA, like Wernher von Braun, all the Nazis from paperclip came there, the moon landing, all that stuff. That gives me like, oh, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. If they would really, just like you said, if they would really like, okay, the Hubble, telescope is out there.
We can make pictures, we can do whatever the hell we want, but we can turn it around and we can make a picture of earth. Well, there you go. There you are. There is 1 picture that's been taken from Earth, but it's, I think it's called the
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blue dot, which is the- Blue marble.
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The blue marble. Exactly. That's basically, a very bad photograph of someone who tried to make a photograph in the dark with no, with no flashlight. And there's 1 little dot, and, oh, there. That that's the earth. Well, that's not proof of me. And I hope that you know that I'm not trying to convince or to debunk it, but it's come on. That is
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yeah. That's not the blue marble. I forget what that photo is called.
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Right. The blue so, yeah, the blue marble came out when they had the, the the moon mission, I think. But the other 1 is that that, yeah, it's it's a crazy photograph. You can't picture out anything out of it.
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Yeah. It's yeah, it's it's like, yeah, it's it's supposedly like a picture of the universe, and 1 little speck is the earth.
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Right. Exactly. Mhmm. It's it's like grandma tried to make a photograph with new technology, didn't figure out how to put the camera cap off, didn't use a flashlight. And grandpa is sitting there, smoking cigarette, and there's something lighting up. And, oh, you look at hers right now. So, but I, you know, I think it's very fascinating, Will, that, when eventually someone with a good intention wants to start to figure out where we're living on, or if there's a 24 hour sun, that you're gonna have so much people that are against it or not willing to work with you to figure it out, even not will willing to work with you sitting in the plane. How long does the trip, is going to take, like a few days or like a week?
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We will be in Antarctica for 5 days, 4 nights. Wow.
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So that's, we need sunglasses to go sleep.
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Yeah. Well and they they've got some,
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the the the the sleeping quarters are very covered. Right. Right. Right. I figured it out when I was flying from, and I think I thought it was really stupid. When I was flying from, LA, like 11 o'clock in the morning, I go 11 hours flight, and I have a time difference of 9 hours, right, in the Netherlands. But here it comes. So you fly at, well, at noon. No, no, let's say for example, at noon. Within 4 or 5 hours, they're gonna close the, the plain windows, the, yeah, what's it called? The- The window. You can't see. The shade. Yes. You can look outside. You gotta, you know, you gotta sleep somehow.
But the funny thing is if you fly like 11 hours and you got 9 hour difference, it's take, well, it took me almost 24 hours to get back home because I got a delay of 13 hours in Las Vegas. Right? Los Angeles? Yeah. No. From Los Angeles, I flew to Las Vegas. Oh, wow. A 13 hour degree, I was later, quite, you know? So I was flying in at night. When the sun comes up, they close the blinds again. So you're going to sleep again because you got melatonin and stuff like that going on in your brain, which tells you you gotta go to sleep. Right? And you land in the middle of night, like 10 o'clock in the evening in, well, this was in Dusseldorf.
So your complete rhythm is gone. I wanted to figure out, like, I want to sit on the, on the, on the window side. No, I would look outside the window, like 11 hours, just like, what's going on there, man? How many times do you look up except the pilot? Right? Mhmm. You see the sun, you see some clouds where you go land. Everybody's going to be awake. When you, when you, when you, take off, when you're going to land, everybody is awake. But meanwhile, just flat out. I think it's very fascinating. And I think it's very fascinating also when we can have an answer for the 24 hour sun, will it not give you more questions about the place there we live where we live in?
Just like you said, because the sun is very fascinating. Mhmm.
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I I don't know if I'll have more questions. It's, it's what the globe model predicts. The globe model predicts the sun should do the same thing in the north as it does in the south except in the opposite direction and at opposite times a year. Right. So I think if we find that, it'll be pretty convincing that the globe model is right. So let's all flatter. Yeah. Let's, I'll I'll keep you up to date, and,
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yeah, please please follow along with us. Yes. I I I would love to. It's it's something that, like, once in a lifetime, I think what you really need is some people that are critical, people that are skeptic, but, they should give everything a chance. Even if you're our Flat Earth or all with Globers or scientists, you should respect everyone who's doing that for their own purpose. Right? It's not like a football team, or the reds or the blues. You know, it's not you against me. No. It's like, let's figure it out. You know, let's get along together. Right? You got the same That's right. You got the same needs. You got the same things that you're wondering.
So why not? Okay. Wow. Wow. Excited. We're going to figure it out. No, are you a parent? I don't get that. I don't get it at all. It's like this MTV, this sweet little 16 where these little girls or little guys from 60 years old get a $200, 000 car and they don't like it. Right. That's the wrong car, daddy. Well, I'm quite disappointed to you. I'm gonna drop you down in Antarctica, and let's see if you're gonna fit in there. But yeah, man. Wow.
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Yeah. I don't get it either, but we'll we'll see. Maybe, maybe their tune will change.
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I do hope so. Because eventually, the as as I said, when you have a question and that's been answered, there will be more questions popping up. Always. Well, for me, it does. That's why I still, I can go out of my rabbit holes. It's too deep. Right? The the ground is crumbling down as as soon as it start to work out because another one's popping up and stuff like that or, new insights about an existing 1. So that's really fascinating for me. The other thing is, why don't we let the people treat with respect? And I think that had nothing to do with Flat Earth or whatever. It has to do with no manner from my perspective, right? And I had a long journey to figure it out. No matter what your belief system is, no matter what the color of your skin is, no matter what culture you have, no matter what religious or political, ideas you have, We're all humans and we all wanna feel love.
We wanna feel accepted. We wanna, share beautiful moments with each other. What's the point of all the divide and conquer, because it's divide and conquer, right? Is it flat earth or not? Are you black or white? Are you red? Are you for Biden or for Trump? I don't give a shit about where you are. Are you human? Should you care about all the stage theater that's going on? Or should you focus on what's real in life? So even if we figure out if we're living on a globe or we're living on a flat plane, it doesn't matter because they're still stuck here and we have to deal with each other. Right? Right.
Okay. We're coming back. It's, well, it's going to be 5050. What's going to be the answer. Right? But we still have to continue our life and, you know, figure all this stuff out.
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Yeah. Hopefully, the final experiment will end some of the animosity towards each other. Yeah.
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That'd be great. Yeah. That that would be great on a on a on a big scale. Like, okay. We take that 1 in the box. Next 1. How to overcome tyranny of the government? How to overcome tyranny of taxes? How to overcome that everyone is divided? How do we overcome that in some countries, you don't have food and we have plenty of food. And all these things, and when we are having this list and it's gonna be checked out completely, I think the Earth, whatever shape it is, will be ready for a new civilization, that's gonna be there with support and love to each other, no matter how you walk, talk or whatever.
I think we should get to that point because I think that is what really matters. And to figure stuff out, cool, right? Mhmm.
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Yeah. I like that. I like that a lot. We we we've gotta keep the big picture in mind for sure.
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Yeah. What are the the the the biggest problems you can come across with the flight to Antarctica. Are are you flying, like, weekly to to Antarctica, or is it, like, several seasons because of the harsh environment?
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Yeah. It's mainly in the summer season. The company that we're using, ALE, I think they have around 6 to 12 flights a year into Antarctica, all in the November, December, January, February time frame. Right. But there's other companies that fly to Antarctica as well.
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And isn't it so that, I think I think it's that horse. So, it's on, well, if you see the globe on the top from my perspective, I'm in Europe. So, yeah, yeah, I'm totally pointed out completely wrong because I got mirroring and stuff like that. But from my perspective, I'm in the middle as Europe. On the left, there's Africa. Sorry, America. Down under, there's South America. Under Europe, there's Africa. On the top, you got, Sweden, Norway, all that stuff. Yep. I think in that horse, I think it's Canada or Alaska. There's also a 24 hour sun and, 24 hour darkness.
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That's right. So Yeah. So the the the darkness corresponds with the 24 hour sun, meaning the opposite the opposite hemisphere is dark while there's a 24 hour sun in the other hemisphere. Exactly.
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Exactly. So we could do the experiment, but then we don't know if it's dark in Antarctica and 24 hour sun in that horse. Am I right?
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Yeah. Well, we we we do know what's going on in the north. That's pretty well documented. So, again, the north is, you know, very sunny right now. 24 hour sun if you're far enough north. And then we also know in December that you've got 24 hours of darkness in the north. So the the the key is figuring out what the sun is doing at that time. Right. That's what we're gonna do. Because everything is duality in life. So couldn't that be also a very good duality of our Earth? No matter what shape it is, that it's gonna be, you know, there there will be darkness and there will be
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light. And it's in balance like Jing and Yang. Yeah.
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Fascinating. Fascinating. It's it's very fascinating. I'm very excited.
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So, you're a pastor now, but is that the only thing that well, not the only thing that you do, but not to be disrespectful, but is that the only, source of income that you now have and that you do on your daily life?
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So our church is very small, and so I don't make money from the church. Right. So for lack of a better term, I'm I'm a volunteer pastor. Okay. Cool.
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How Yeah. Because you told me you told us, the audience, how that came. But, I think it's a tremendous switch from, in finance, your author, you gave also social lectures to the military about taxes and about pensions and stuff like that. You know how to deal with money, right? Because that's the biggest issue also. To being a pastor, that's, well, it's not opposite. It's both Free plus. What you believe in, right? If you believe in money or you believe in, a god.
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Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't demonize money. Money is a lot like alcohol in that when someone has a lot of it, it starts to bring out who they truly are. So money can be used for good. It can be used for for evil. Right. So yeah. I I I I've always been into theology. It's not that hard if you, you know, search YouTube for my name. You're gonna find a bunch of theological debates. I've been doing those for probably almost 2 decades now. Right. Right. So so, yeah, like, Christianity, the Bible, theology, that that wasn't new to me. Just just pastored it pastoring a church and shepherding a flock is what's new. And it's difficult.
Right. But it's rewarding. Right.
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I really love this conversation because I think we touched based on so many other things than, trying to figure out, what the name of your dog is or about others crazy questions and crazy models that we see spinning around on the other guys' podcast, which is stolen, but he claims to be it's his.
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Right? Right. Insaneating. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But,
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as I said before we opt on the podcast, I have a lot of respect for you to keep your head calm. I think I would, hit the arrow button just like, oh, my connection's lost. Like, fuck you. Just like just like that. Just like if you And you just kept your cool, man, probably because your hat was already in Antarctica. Right?
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You know, it's just kinda who I am as a person. It it, it takes a lot to rile me up. Right.
[01:09:09] Unknown:
I think that that also has to do with the financial system. Right? Because that's that's crazy, especially in the times that you were, in financial. Like, 2, 008 must be like, holy cow. What's happening now?
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Yeah. I wasn't in the financial industry at that 0,
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you're lucky.
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I know. Yeah. But I will say you you are correct. You you have to keep your you have to keep emotions out of finance, which is very difficult very difficult. Most people, that's where they get in trouble is when they start making financial decisions emotionally.
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Right. What do you think about the, the digitalizing of our money, what they're trying to do now?
[01:09:49] Unknown:
Yeah. So it's a it's an interesting 1. Crypto has a very it's it's firmly rooted, I think, at this point. But what it's gonna look like long term, I don't know. The banking system is very broken. Mhmm. Anybody that's, you know, tries to do international transactions or even just wires can see how broken the banking system is. Or you Do you understand fractional reserve banking? I think there's gonna be some changes. I I just don't know what those are going to look like. I think digital currency could solve a lot of problems. Is the government and our, you know, the the masses willing to make that switch? I don't know. We'll see. Maybe.
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Yeah. I totally agree with you. Some things could be very, well, better for our society to to live on as a society. For me, it has also a lot of question marks. I don't like to be controlled. Well, that's a very big statement because everything that we do right now will be tracked. Even, you know, when it touch base in America, which was my first time, like a long flight, well, to America for this, for this example. My apps and my telephone start to do weird things because, you know, the algorithm and all the stuff that's, what's allowed in America, what's not, they figured it out as soon as I, you know, had my phone on. That was very fascinating for me.
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And I do think I do think countries have the right to know, who is within their borders. Right. Yes. I'm not saying they don't know for things.
[01:11:37] Unknown:
So from disorganized block, so you gotta be, you know, that, oh, now my telephone goes mad because I pronounce my own name. Okay, go away. So, and of course, we're living in very fascinating times, right? If you see like the time schedule of the last 10 years, what happening to us, the the people and and the the the systems and things they push through that people you know, the it's it's a very, quite rough times for a lot of people to keep their head on swivel and stuff like that. But I think if we, just like I said before, if we support each other with love, community, all that stuff, that's the key.
And, we're gonna have to figure out oh, probably gonna figure out more stuff about what's happening there. Right? Just like you said, okay, I wanna put a camera up there and make a real picture, and who's gonna debunk now that, oh, that's CGI or whatever. You know, you always this questionnaire that you're going to get on. Will, I always have 14 questions nowadays for my guests. So, if there's anything that you want to touch base on, we can do that right now. And otherwise, we're gonna ask you, like, 14
[01:13:03] Unknown:
questions. Okay. Let's let's do it. Okay.
[01:13:07] Unknown:
I think they're not that weird as you are, known about the last couple of weeks. It's crazy, crazy. Okay. I'm ready. What's your definition of God?
[01:13:22] Unknown:
Great question. I I believe that something I I believe that something has always existed, And I think that everyone has to take that position, because something can't come from nothing. So I think everybody we should all find common ground. Something has always existed. Now what is that something? That something for me is God. I do believe that there's way too much order and design and beauty in our universe for it to have happened by chance, through accidents and mistakes. And so God to me is the all powerful, creator, of of our world.
Right. What's the definition of the devil? The devil. That's a that's a that's that's a little bit more of a difficult 1. So, you know, from a Christian standpoint, the devil is, a fallen angel and, a being a created being that, disobeyed God and wanted to be like God and fell away and became kind of, the number 1 enemy of God. So Mhmm. That's how I would define the the devil.
[01:14:46] Unknown:
And do you think it's, a life here on Earth?
[01:14:52] Unknown:
I think it's possible that, the devil has some freedom to tempt and things of that nature, but not full range.
[01:15:05] Unknown:
Okay. I got more true definition questions. What's your definition of value?
[01:15:12] Unknown:
Definition of value. Wow. Value value is really in many ways in the eye of the beholder. So things have value based on who wants them Mhmm. And based on, you know, supply and demand and and things of that nature. But I would say that human beings have value, more more value than anything else in existence due to the fact that I believe we are made in the image of God. So that value, comes from from God himself, which is
[01:15:51] Unknown:
incredibly valuable. Love that answer. Love that answer. So the last definition question will be, what's your, definition of success?
[01:16:02] Unknown:
Definition of success. That's a good 1. N f in 1 of his songs, he's a rapper. I think he defines success as doing something that, no 1 else has done. Mhmm. And that's, I I like that. I I think I think success is very subjective. I think if a mom, feels successful because she raised her children in a way that she could be proud of when they leave the house, I think that's amazing. There's people that have accomplished incredible things like Elon Musk, you know, could be could fall under the definition of success, meaning he's just brought incredible ideas, to fruition in so many different areas of life.
Bea, I think it's very I think it's very subjective. I I have always liked, what this, rapper NF has said, though, which is doing something no 1 else has done. And so
[01:17:00] Unknown:
the final experiment is something that has never been done before. So Right. Right. That that that and it will be a success, whatever outcome and it will be. Right? Definitely. Okay. I think I have, easier questions. What's your favorite color?
[01:17:17] Unknown:
Favorite color has always been green. Great. K. What's your favorite music? I've got I've got a very bizarre taste in music. So my number 1 genre of music is worship. And as I just exposed, I I also like rap. Wow. It was Yeah. Right. Very, very opposite. And then I also like,
[01:17:44] Unknown:
It's the yin and the yang.
[01:17:46] Unknown:
Yes. And I actually like instrumental music as well. Mhmm.
[01:17:53] Unknown:
What's your favorite, film or movie or series? Oh, wow. That's a tough 1.
[01:18:03] Unknown:
I don't know if I have a favorite, movie. I will say that my favorite genre of movies are would definitely be documentaries. I'm more into the real and more into nonfiction than I am fantasy and fiction. Mhmm. Okay.
[01:18:20] Unknown:
What's your favorite book?
[01:18:23] Unknown:
Favorite book? You know, the book I've spent the most time in and and continue to be blown away by is the Bible. So I I I gotta say that's definitely the number 1, and the bible is the number 1 best selling book of all time probably for a reason.
[01:18:39] Unknown:
Right. Right. It's a fascinating book. I have to admit that. What's your favorite beverage or drink? Mhmm.
[01:18:48] Unknown:
So this will, not be very exciting, but that would definitely be water. It's actually all I drink. I don't drink anything else.
[01:18:56] Unknown:
Good. It's it's mainly 1 of the most given answers on my podcast. Interesting. Yes. And I have, well, my spectrum of gas is so different. It's unbelievable. And I like to drink my filtered water with my copper, jam. So I'm fine with my water too. Absolutely. Absolutely. Will, what's your favorite food?
[01:19:30] Unknown:
Favorite food? I'd have to go with beef. I have been eating almost exclusively beef for almost 5 years now. Wow.
[01:19:43] Unknown:
Like and you like it, like, raw, medium? Medium rare. Medium rare. Medium rare. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Yes. Yes. What kind of clothing you like to wear the most? Clothing?
[01:19:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Light and comfortable. Uh-huh. Okay. I wore a I wore a 3 piece suit for well over 5 years in a row. That's tough. 25. Wow. Okay.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I was, 25 years like, international salesman. Yeah. Well, not always, but international, national salesman. So I always was dressed up like a monkey. And, yeah, I still like it, but it's like a uniform to me now. Yeah, it's tough. It was at that time too. I felt different. People are treating you different when you have a suit on. Definitely. Which is also a red flag for me for some people, to be honest with you. Because as you see, I got quite some tattoos. When I'm doing my business, I always have long shirt on, even when I went to Brazil, always a long shirt with a suit.
But, yeah, it's it's crazy how people treat you with just a little different style. Right. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. Fascinating to me. Psychology. Yeah. I love that shit. What's your favorite holiday destination or vacation destination?
[01:21:23] Unknown:
Oh, wow. Anywhere where there's where there's ocean. I I lived on the I lived on the ocean in Puerto Rico for a few years Oh, wow. And just fell in love with marine life. So that's if you ever asked me the question where where where would I rather be than where I'm at, it's it's in the water, you know, with with the, with the fish.
[01:21:47] Unknown:
Right. Completely different world, of course.
[01:21:50] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. It's it's great. It's it's a it's a whole other world that's moving and shaking 247
[01:21:57] Unknown:
while we're all just doing our thing on land. And we do know nothing about it because they say, well, well, we we discover, like, 5 percent of the oceans. Well, you don't know 100%. So how do you figure out it's 5% that you figured out? Good point. Yeah. If you really like documentaries, there is a great movie, My Octopus Teacher.
[01:22:20] Unknown:
Love it. You saw it? Yeah. That's a great 1. I love that 1. Yeah. Yeah. Oct the octopus is an incredible creature. I've spent a bit of time with them. They're hard to find, obviously. But when I do find 1 in the ocean, I spend as much time with it as I can. Wow.
[01:22:37] Unknown:
We got the last 2 questions. Time flies when you're having fun, Will. What's your favorite quote?
[01:22:45] Unknown:
Favorite quote? I don't have a favorite quote. I I do like quotes. I'm, I'm motivated by them, and I'm inspired by them, but I just don't have a favorite. Nothing's even coming to me right right right now.
[01:23:03] Unknown:
And last question. What's your life's motto?
[01:23:08] Unknown:
My life's motto Mhmm. That's another good 1. The only thing that's coming to me is there's actually a bible verse that I think sums up the entire Bible in 1 verse. And it's, acts 529. And it says we ought to obey God rather than man. And so that's something that I've definitely lived by is, is obeying God rather than man. So if if if the government or whoever, authority figures want me to do something, I run it through that filter first. So if they're telling me to do something that I think is wrong, I I'm just not gonna do it. I think that's why on every,
[01:24:01] Unknown:
in every country, when you are going to the government or most of the time the bible. And the, well, here it's, I think it's the Muslim book, the Quran. Mhmm. Yeah. These 2 are always laying at our side. So whatever they're gonna tell you, if you point out 1 of these books and you know scripture, they're free men because there's no 1 that's, reigning or doing something above God, whatever God you you like. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I had a great conversation, Will. I think I I hope you, you didn't regret to put, to put you on disorganized productions, although it's called disorganized. I think it's quite disorganized as we talked about the final experiment.
I'm very excited, about, how it's going to be. If you have a space left, well, I could be the guide, just like I said, you know, making the photograph with a, with a, with a, with a filter lens for the sun, but I would rather be, do some great stuff with the great cool people, and cool people probably, especially where we land there, to see what's going on because it's very fascinating. And, I think it's a great job to put it on. I hope there are other podcasts and interviews that treats you with respect. I just wanna shout that out because even if you have a guest and you're very about him or whatever, you wanna debunk him, do it with respect.
And, I'm not here to debunk anything. I just want to ask questions, be skeptical about stuff, have my own meaning, which I don't always ventilate because I don't have to because you are my guest, and I like to see and to hear your point of view. And I think, we did a great show about that, Will. Thank you for, hopping on to Zornay's productions.
[01:26:03] Unknown:
Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks for having me. If anybody wants to follow what we're doing, just just look us up on YouTube. Just search for the final experiment, and you can subscribe and get notifications for all our videos. And our website is the final experiment dotcom with dashes, the dash final dash experiment dot
[01:26:18] Unknown:
com. Okay. Cool. Really thank you for your time and your energy to put on this podcast. For all the listeners, have a beautiful morning, a beautiful day, or beautiful evening, no matter where you are on this beautiful, my perspective, plain planet. Thank you, Will. Take care. Okay. Real quick fellow human. Check my show description where there's the link to my, linktree/disorganized productions where you can find all my websites. There's also a web shop where you can find some cool merchandise and, I will be live a few times a week with my guitar playing on TikTok, which is Rob g Disorganized.
Check it out. And, yeah. There's also 1 thing I wanna mention is that my skirt will be available as soon as possible in my shop. Thank you for listening fellow human. He's a pain in the ass.
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It's black as at night. God
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couldn't fulfill my dreams. He's a pain in the ass.
[01:28:35] Unknown:
I'm black as a knight.
Skip me branches like squirrel, baby. Welcome, fellow human, to the disorganized productions podcast, the show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode, we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you. Tap into your limitless potential and conquer life's challenges. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human, welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions. Today, we have a very special guest. His name is Will Duffy. And, we're gonna talk about the final experiment.
Oh, yeah. Please a warm applause for Will Duffy. Welcome to the show, Will.
[00:01:29] Unknown:
Yeah. Thanks so much. This is, this is my first interview, I think, from, the Netherlands, so this is great.
[00:01:36] Unknown:
Wow. That's that's always good. To connect all over the world, no matter if it's flat or or a globe. We don't know yet. Right? Will, please introduce yourself to the audience so they know a little bit more about you.
[00:01:51] Unknown:
Yeah. For sure. So Will Duffy here, founder and creator of The Final Experiment. I currently pastor a small church just outside of Denver, Colorado in the US, and I was introduced to the Flat Earth Movement, back in 2021 late 2021. And, it's been an interesting journey, to say the least. I think like a lot of people, when you first hear about Flat Earth, you don't realize it's a real thing. It's usually just discussed as kind of like a joke or in a mocking way. But, a friend of mine is a flat earther, and she showed me that flat earth is is alive and well.
It's very real. They have arguments, and they have answers to a lot of the things that, the globe side will put forth. And so I've spent the last, almost 3 years now, deep in the rabbit hole of flat earth, just learning about it as much as I can. To a lot of people's disappointment, I I didn't come out the other end as a flat earther. I'm still on the globe side, but I created the final experiment so that myself and anybody else no longer has to have any question or any doubt as to what we live on. And so we're gonna be figuring out, as we'll talk about later, whether or not we live on a globe or a flat earth, once we conduct the final experiment.
[00:03:18] Unknown:
Right. Right. And, I think your background is in insurance. Right? And you you wrote some books about money and and taxes and stuff like that?
[00:03:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I was in the financial services industry. I did a lot of things. I did, you know, tax planning, investments, and insurance, kind of the whole 9 yards. I did that for a very long time. I wrote 3 books. I actually, had, intended to write more than that, but after my 3rd book, I became so busy I no longer had time to write. Right. And then my busyness, ended up, as a good thing, but, I had a little bit of a burnout. And, my my my paths kinda changed course and redirected when, my pastor died unexpectedly, and so I ended up taking over his church and kind of switching careers, so to speak. Well, that's a big switch, isn't it?
[00:04:13] Unknown:
Yeah. It is. Very, very Although I think 1 of the biggest money moneymakers there is is the Vatican, right?
[00:04:20] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I'm I'm not on their payroll, so. No. Okay. Okay.
[00:04:25] Unknown:
And, so you you give teaching of the bible. Right?
[00:04:29] Unknown:
Yeah. So I pastor a nondenominational bible church, and we're we're a little bit different. We don't consider any topics off limits, so I've done sermons on flat earth. And, I'll do sermons on really anything that anybody is interested in, and I'll even do sermons on things that I'm interested in, even though even if they don't, kinda follow a traditional, format or or theme that people are used to. Interesting.
[00:04:58] Unknown:
Because there are a lot of takes that people, well, they have their own perception about how to read between the lines of the Bible, of course, or whatever book. A lot of, I say always a little bit perversion there is because everyone wants to teach them their own way. And sometimes it's good. People can relate to that. In the other end, what's been written and how should we think about it, what's been written, right? Because there's a lot of cryptic stuff in it, just how to deal with that. Because I know, I'm a believer of God, not on a biblical way, to be honest with you.
But I know that in Genesis 1, so 1 of the first pages in the Bible, it says that God created the earth and stuff like that. And he didn't say he created the ball. So that's what I find interesting. And I think there are some, probably you digged into that too, because, you're a pastor and also on, you know, on a quest, is the globe or is the flat plain, where we live on, right? So what's been written in scripture, which makes sense for a lot of people with the thoughts of flat earth. The other end is how you interpret the text that's been written. Right?
Mhmm.
[00:06:24] Unknown:
Yeah. So, yeah, interpretation is a big thing. What what I think most, teachers and students of the bible are trying to do is trying to know, a, what was originally intended. It's it's often referred to as authorial intent. This is, part of a hermeneutics conversation, which we don't have to get into. But we're trying to figure out what did the author intend, but we're also trying to figure out what did it what did it actually mean? Because words take on meaning based on, the time period that they're being stated, And that's not it's not always easy to figure out. Right? So Right. Today, we might use a phrase, if it's raining hard, we might say it's raining cats and dogs.
Mhmm. If that phrase goes out of use and somebody, you know, a 1000 or 2000 years in the future finds that written down somewhere and they're trying to understand it, you can go look up any dictionary definition for cat or dog, and it's not gonna tell you anything about rain. So trying to figure out the cultural context of that is is also very important, and so that's what we're all trying to do. And so I know, and hopefully most people know that every interpretation I have of of every part of the Bible is not gonna be right. I'm gonna be wrong on things. And I think the goal should be throughout our life to figure out what we're wrong on and correct it. On Genesis 1, I don't see any shape in Genesis 1. So, yes, it doesn't say a ball or a sphere or a globe, but I I don't think it also I I don't see it stating a a stationary flat plane either. So I think it's kind of a bit, unclear there.
[00:08:04] Unknown:
Right. And and and, of course, there's a lot of loss in translation. Right? So when we translate words from another language, some languages like the Hebrew have 1 word for a smell, a taste, a feeling, everything, just like Russian too. And, because I'm in the Netherlands, I speak also well, as you hear a little bit of English and also German, and I can relate a lot of words, but there are some words that you just can't, translate in the right way without saying too much to describe the word instead of saying it, right?
[00:08:44] Unknown:
That's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. The he the Hebrew language was a very small language. There there really wasn't a lot of words, and so that's another, piece to the puzzle here that can become a little difficult is is in 1 context, a word might mean 1 thing. In another context, it might mean another thing. So, yeah, it's all very fascinating. Right.
[00:09:05] Unknown:
How do you deal with, with the people that are trying to debunk you? We just briefly talked about it that, I saw a show where we really thought that the host was disrespecting you as a human and with the intentions that you have about proving where we live. Right? We can get touch based on that later. But how do you deal with, with all the people that trying to monger you and, debunk you?
[00:09:36] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. So, I I will admit, I did not expect this kind of treatment. I didn't come in as, like, you're wrong. I'm right. You're stupid. I'm smart. I'm gonna crush you. I'm gonna destroy you. Like, that's not how I came into this thing. I came into this thing of like, okay. First of all, I'm gonna be honest about who I am. Right? So there are there are multiple globe side people, and I don't even know their names because it's I I don't even like what they did, but they went into the flat earth community, lying about being a flat earth or lying about I'm I I I need to tell everybody that I'm I'm flat earth now and how do I do it? And, like, that's not right. You know? Right. And they they they even found them found their way into, like, Dave Weiss's home, flat earth Dave's home, by lying about being a flat earther.
So I came into this like, no. I'm on the globe side. That's you know, my my stance is is here. I also came out after I had already released videos about flat earth stating why I think we live on a globe. I had a conversation with Austin and Jaren Campanella on Jarenism. Mhmm. So everybody knew the reality of where I was. But instead of coming out like, hey. I'm gonna destroy you. I I came out like, no. Let's go figure this out. Let's work together. Let's collaborate. Let's not fight each other anymore. Let's not rip each other's heads off than hate each other. Let's figure this out together. And I found something that wasn't an area of contention.
It wasn't an area of contention between the 2 sides. Both sides were speaking the same language, which was what happens in Antarctica with the sun. You've got the flat earth side saying, we think the sun sets. We think there's not a 24 hour sun. And by the way, if there is a 24 hour sun, that means we're wrong. You've got the globe side stating, hey. We do believe there's a 24 hour sun in Antarctica. So I found something that I thought we could all be excited about. Plus, the flat earth side has been excited and talked about for years the importance of getting to Antarctica, how bad they wanna go to Antarctica, how they want the Antarctic Treaty lifted, all of this kind of stuff. So I wasn't expecting the treatment that I've received. And what it's mainly been is, character attacks Mhmm. And kind of going after me for that, calling me a fake pastor, digging up dirt with my previous business, and and other issues like that. And it's just like, guys, like, this isn't really necessary. This is completely irrelevant to the experiment itself. Exactly. I'm not I'm not doing something.
I'm not, like, going to Antarctica and saying, hey. Everybody has to trust me of what my eye saw, so there's no point in talking about me at all. This is all about seeing what the sun actually does. That's the experiment, taking someone from each side to go to make sure they hold each other accountable.
[00:12:40] Unknown:
So it has been unfortunate, but it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you you never know when when when you have good intentions how people look at it and what their perception is of what you're trying to do. Right? What I find fascinating, I was talking today with with with snake, actually, with snake turbine, shout out for that guy who connected us. 1 of the things that really intrigues me is like, okay, when we go to Antarctica, it's not gonna be on Devon Island, but I thought it's gonna be in the middle. Right? There's a base camp in the middle where you plan to land with some people that are hooking up with you. Right? And to figure out, okay, is there a 24 hour sun?
Yes or no? And what does the sun do? So my question is, or my thoughts are like this, okay, let's say we see a 24 hour sun. What does that mean? I'm in Europe. It's like 8, 000, maybe 10, 000 miles away. So Antarctica is like, you know, that far away. So when it circles there, like that little bit, how could be the same sun pointing me here in Europe with like say 20 degrees or maybe 10 degrees depends on, I think it's like December when you want to go. So the temperatures will drop a little bit down. So that's, first of all, my question, like, what do you think about that? So when we see like 10, 000 miles away that the sun is going in a little circle, well, let's or it doesn't set. Right?
What does it mean for when you're, like, 10000 miles away when you see the sunset every single day?
[00:14:27] Unknown:
Mhmm. Okay. Yeah. I'm not sure I follow your question, but let me give it a shot. Okay. Yeah. And just otherwise, I'd try to explain it on a different level. Yeah. So with the globe model, it comes down to really basic geometry, which is that with a single light source, you can only light up half of a sphere. Mhmm. So that's for starters. Right? And so the globe model states that the globe is tilted. And so if we have an axis, with a North Pole and a South Pole and we tilt the globe like this Mhmm. The North Pole right now is tilted toward the sun.
Right. Okay? So right now, there's actually, if you're far enough north, there's a 24 hour sun in the north right now, and both sides agree on that. I haven't heard any flat earthers say there's not a 24 hour sun in the north. Right. But but then in this in December, which is the southern summer, you now have I'm trying to figure this out here. You you now have the bottom. The south pole is what's facing the sun. Mhmm. And so that should create a 24 hour sun in the south. Right. So there there's obvious reasons why that wouldn't work on a flat Earth. But on to answer your question, there's still half the globe, lit up on the globe model, And it's just because that bottom of the globe, the, the south pole is is tilted toward the sun that you get the 24 hour sun, but you still have half the globe here lit up. So even someone in the Northern Hemisphere would still have a sun, the same sun, and it would still rise and set. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. It does. Yeah. Okay.
[00:16:21] Unknown:
And the other thing that popped me up is is like and maybe it's a well, there are no stupid, answers. Or I would know there are no stupid questions. But the other thing I was figuring out, like, okay, when we go to Antarctica and we figure out there's a 24 hour sun, should that prove that we're living on a flat or on a globe? Because, I don't know, do you know, the Terra Infiniti model that there are several, let's say, countries with, several, domes on the Earth from continents. And it's a very interesting theory. It's like, okay, maybe every continent had its own sun.
Because when we take a look at the sun, it's a very fascinating thing, right? Because, especially you're known, just like for me in Europe, I'm quite in the middle of everything, like I say. We we got winters, which are, well, cold, but not too too cold, could be very cold, but in winters, it could be hot. But like now, it's completely different, and it has to do with the weather also. Right? But the thing is when you point out on Europe and when you turn the ball or you turn the flat plane, doesn't matter what, not every single country that hits has the same temperatures.
So what I was thinking, if the sun is in Antarctica not setting, which is very, very close to Antarctica itself, it has freezing temperatures, but it should be also when you take off your clothes, you should get burned. What I'm trying to say here is following. When I go to Switzerland and I'm gonna climb the Alps, the higher I get, the colder it gets, but the sun burns more to me. Mhmm. So I think it's very fascinating. And I think it's very good that someone finally stood up and said, okay, If we agree on this 1 and we let our belief system fade away for a moment, but we wanna figure out, is there a 24 hour sun?
I think this is a great, great experiment. But the thing is, what I don't get is that the people that are willing to put out videos, evidence about whatever it is, it's a globe or it's a flat plane, are not willing to help on your experiment.
[00:19:06] Unknown:
Yes.
[00:19:07] Unknown:
What? So, you are the guy that gives people the opportunity to go to figure it out. And somehow they say like, no. Not for me because I figured out already. Or what's that? What's happening? What did they drink? What's happening with them?
[00:19:31] Unknown:
Yeah. So it's been interesting. The flat earth side, it's really exclusively the flatter side, doesn't seem to have much interest in participating in the experiment. They don't have interest at all. They don't have interest in interviewing me. They don't have interest in making suggestions to make the experiment better. They don't have interest in going to Antarctica. So that is a little strange. Right.
[00:19:57] Unknown:
Why is that that what is your guess? Because I don't know. I'm I'm more into the flat earth. I don't know. Just to be honest, I don't know. But the things that I see, the things that I study, the things that are from my eyes and from my beliefs is like, oh, this makes sense. It's like, okay, we're living on a flat plane. The other thing is, of course, okay, when people are making their life work out of it, and some money could prove, like I said, I don't think that we can prove if it's a plane or a globe when we figure out there's a 24 hour sun, but we can figure out that there's a 24 hour sun, right? So the people like David Wise that said, Okay, I can CGI, I can make the sun like 24 hours or whatever, fine. But I would be super interested when somebody gives me a ticket or opportunity to figure it out for myself.
[00:20:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So What did you do in the past? Come on. Yeah. So let's talk about Dee Weisz for a second. He has stated that he would he's willing to go to Antarctica to settle the debate over the shape of the Earth. He said that. He has said he's willing to fly to Antarctica with people that are on the globe side on the plane, and the people he listed were Neil was Neil deGrasse Tyson and college professors. So he's he's agreed to do that. He's also said that we can solve the shape of the earth debate in a single day in Antarctica. Now he had a different experiment in mind for that single day, but mine works as well for a single day. So all of that said, you would think he would go.
Then but it's okay. Like, I I'm fine. If you wanna turn it if you wanna turn down a free trip to to Antarctica, it's fine. But then Dave Weiss went on Infowars and started stating that, you know, they're lying about the 24 hour sun in Antarctica, and you can't freely and privately explore Antarctica. And it's like, wait a minute now. Then he went on Roseanne Barr's show. Right. And I don't know what he said, but the title of the show is about Antarctica. And it's like, wait a minute, Dave. You've not been to Antarctica. You were you turned down a free trip there. Shouldn't you at least go there so you at least have some experience about antark Antarctica if you wanna start talking about it? Right. So, yeah, that was very strange to me.
Why are they not excited? That's a very difficult 1. My gut is telling me that they're not confident in their position. That's all I can think of. Right. So if you've stated this position confidently like Eric Dube has, Eric Dube has stated it more confidently than maybe any other flat earther. Right. Right. That that that you know for sure there's no 24 hour sun. And all of a sudden, it's like, okay. We're gonna go look. Like Yeah. And let's You you stated you, Yeah. You you it's just like you stated, you know, emphatically that there's nothing behind the curtain. And it's like, okay. We're gonna go up a peak. Come with me. And it's like, oh, I don't wanna look. All I can think of is it's like, okay. What if I'm wrong on this? And so I think the best attitude to take should be the attitude that Jaren Campanella is taking and that Austin Whitsett is taking, which is, hey. We have stated this.
Now that you're making a way for us to go see it with our own eyes and verify it, we're gonna we're willing to do it. And they state ahead of time, we're willing to admit we're wrong if we're wrong. That's the only rational, reasonable response I think a normal person in search for truth would have. Right. Right.
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So but I see and I I love your background because, you got the globe and the flat earth model. Right?
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Yep. Yeah. So we've got both models here. We also have both models of Antarctica right here, which is either an island on the globe model at the bottom of the ball or it's, an ice wall massive ice wall holding in all of the water and the continents. Right. Not holding in the continents, but it's encircling the continents. Yeah. So, yeah, it's just like, hey, guys. Here's the here's the playing board here. Here are the pieces. Which ones are right? Which ones are wrong? As far as I know, I haven't misrepresented either side, and so I'm being as fair as I can.
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Okay. So and, the flight goes, I think, from, Ushuaia or from Argentina down?
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Well, it's, it's actually Punta Arenas, Chile. Right? Yeah. So Ushuaia and Punta Arenas, Chile are both at the very southern tip of South America. And so, yeah, that's every everyone that's going, which I hope is gonna be a lot of people, we're all gonna fly to Punta Arenas. We'll be there for a couple days together. Uh-huh. So we'll be, you know, hanging out, doing videos. Like, I want everybody to be feel like they're there with us. Okay? Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a it's a it's a project together to figure out what what the hell is going on. Right? Yeah. It's exciting to me.
I was just interviewed a couple days ago, and he was like, Will, I'm more excited about the final experiment than the election in November. And I was like, wow. It's pretty cool. So the this is exciting. I think people should be looking forward to it. But, yeah, we're all gonna meet meet up there a couple days in advance, and then we're gonna fly together from there to Antarctica. And we're going pretty deep into Antarctica. It's a 4 and a half hour flight. And on the globe model, the furthest south you can go, the deepest you can go is is 90 degrees south, which would be the south pole if it exists. We're going to write at 80 degrees south.
It's 79 degrees 46 minutes south. So we're going very deep in either model. In fairness to the flat earth model, you know, we don't know how deep it goes. And if the earth is flat, then they're they're hiding something, and it'd be fun to figure that out as well. Right.
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And, so you are, I think, really busy, not only, trying to save your own ass, like, say, on people that are trying to attack you and debunk you and all that mongering and stuff like what's going on. But also with the, I think there there will be, some, you need some permits and stuff like that for people that fly there. Right? Because I think that the, the government will screen who's gonna be on the plane. You know? Because or am I wrong with that?
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I don't think the government's gonna screen who's on the plane, but the companies that fly to Antarctica and the companies that travel there on boats and things, they are they have all of the permits required based on the country they operate out of, the country they depart out of. So, yeah, all all of that is covered. Right. Right. I think it's
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okay. I think it's very exciting, journey, just to figure out, and just like I said, I'm a critical thinker. Some people call it a conspiracy, a therapist, theorist, whatever. Well, I think I'm a critical thinker. So, I think what you can debunk right away, if you're dead or like 24 hours, if there is a 24 hour sun or not. If we're living on a globe or a plane, it's so so the thing is, this earth where we're living on, it's so huge. I was flying the other day to Los Angeles for the first time to America. It was an 11 hour flight. You fly with like 800 kilometers, like 600 something miles, 11 hours.
And then you only touch base on that little piece of the earth, which goes round or goes further. Right? So the thing is, and that's what I brought up like this, Terra Infinita. It states like, okay, you got Europe and you got all the continents that we known from the earth here, but there are other other continents behind a wall or whatever. Right? So we're not allowed to go there. That has a reason, probably. And that's why they also say, like, it's Flat Earth based, but also, Terra Infinita. Okay. When there are extraterrestrials, it comes from extra land, right? It's not from above, from the aliens and stuff like that, beep, beep, beep. No, no, no. It's from the extra land. Why would you call them otherwise extraterrestrials, which is basically extra lab.
So, and I think it's very fascinating to think about it. Okay. If we debunk this, it proves that the sun is like 24 hours. But like I said, when you are basically on Antarctica and you see the sun go that, you know, going round or whatever, 24 hours, doesn't matter. How would reach that sun that you see like, 10000, 20000 miles away the same surface? You know what I mean?
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Mhmm. Yeah. So let me give this another shot. Because the sun in the globe model can light up half of the globe, that's a long distance that it can cover. Right?
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Right. Right. So let me tell you why the Earth model. Right? So so, you know, with the day with, the flat Earth map, like, here's the sun, here's your plate, and it lights up this piece, and it goes round. Just like that. Alright.
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Yeah. So the reason I think a 24 hour sun would prove the globe, and I think it would falsify flat earth, is because you can't make sense, what I'm assuming we're talking about 1 sun, so I'll start there. Right. You can't make sense of visiting somewhere on the on the ice wall perimeter of the flat earth. Right? You can't make any sense of visiting a place, and then the sun is going like this around you because the sun would still have to be traveling its outer circuit around the tropic of Capricorn on the flat earth and lighting up everything. Right? Right. So if you are in Antarctica, south of South America, on the flat Earth model, Australia is still getting sun every day.
Right. With heat. Yeah. Right? And so a a sun if you're if a sun circling you in in Antarctica doesn't make sense. Now so someone might say, okay. What if it's a second sun? Well, number 1, a second a true second sun has never been seen by anyone.
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Mhmm.
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There's some videos that are always taken behind a window, and windows create reflections. And there's always, like, a reflection of the other sun right next to the other 1. That's not a second sun. But let's talk about this. If there's a second sun, my first question would be, why is it circling where we are in Antarctica? And and if we were if if this trip was somewhere else in Antarctica, would it then move and go circle us there? That doesn't make a lot of sense. But
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most of the work those It sorry to interrupt you. If if you believe this Jason guy, then, you are your own virtual reality, and everybody everybody has his own son. Right?
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Cuckoo.
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Yes. Yes. Yeah. And almost every case it, but it didn't make sense to me.
[00:31:30] Unknown:
Yeah. And so here's what I'll tell you, Rob, is that we're gonna be able to verify that the sun you're seeing is the same sun we're seeing by looking at sunspots. That's a So I'm not saying you have to do this, but if we could find somebody in the Netherlands, that'd be great, that would be able to look with a solar filter at the sun. And we could try to livestream it. We would go in outside in Antarctica, take a picture of the sunspots. Someone in the Netherlands would take a picture of the sunspots, and then we'd share our screen at the same time. And if those sunspots are the same, it's the same sun.
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Right. Well, so talking about that, I would prefer to hop on a plane to figure it out for myself to go to a continent like that, than sitting here waiting for you guys to be live with a filter on the sun. Totally. Because I think it's very exciting, because it's something that, especially nowadays when we have the internet, where we have so much indoctrination going on, so much information going on that you can find out with Google or whatever browser that you use. We got so much knowledge and wisdom for the last couple, let's say 30, 40 years when the internet came around, that these questions pop up. I think in the early days, maybe people talked about it and whatever model they believed in, are they going to be locked up in a mental institution or they are just like free to go? Right?
So it's very interesting that, we still debate the shape of the Earth, although there's a lot of evidence from both sides that we both sides can debunk each other. Right? That we are living or in a flat Earth or on a globe. So, yeah, why not figure it out? So, how many spots do we have available to, or how many people do you hope to hop on and what kind of people do you hope to hop on the plane and figure out, well, figure out about sun in Antarctica?
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Yeah. The important thing for people to know is that we are just joining a regular annual tour to Antarctica put on by a company. So the company is called Antarctic Logistics and Expeditions. They're based out of Salt Lake City, Utah. Mhmm. They have been flying people into for over 30 years, and they have an annual trip. They they have multiple trips to Antarctica, but they do different things. Right? There's skydiving trips. There's mountain climbing trips. There's skiing trips. This is not that 1. This is like the entry level trip into Antarctica. So they have an annual trip that goes to Union Glacier Camp, which is their camp, and we're just joining their trip. So I believe the limit on each on that trip is 70 people, 7 0.
I don't keep up with them and as to how many people have signed up. They just have some spots reserved for me and for the final experiment. And so I'm hoping we have 10 people that are there specifically for the final experiment. I in a perfect world, we'd have 5 flat earthers and 5 globe earthers. But right now, we have 3 flat earthers that have said they're considering strongly going, and they would be paid for. So that's Jaren Campanella, Austin Whitsett, and Alex Stein, if you know who that is. Yeah. Yeah.
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The the last 1, no. But Austin Witsett, yes. I definitely know who he is. He he he yeah. He's a He debunks a lot of stuff. Or he has good debates. Let me say that. So from Yeah. Yeah. So from both perspectives, if you not using the word salad, Dave, festive Dave, and that's another thing. What I really find, disturbing is even if you are both taking a completely different side of view, of perspective, let's say. Mhmm. Why do you, call people names? You do that when you can't win a battle in words to explain something, or you interrupt somebody, or you just like what happened to you is that people, are going to question you, like what the hell, you know, has some of these questions to do with the final experiment.
If you want to figure out who I am, fine, ask me who I am, just like I do. Just like, okay, who is Will Duffy? You explain me a little bit. We're going to touch deep, in the topic that we're talking about, because we like to figure it out. But this disrespect that's going on, did this mud throwing to each other with no reason, with no, so let's say I'm going to call people names when I'm not aware of my real case, that I'm not steady enough, basically grounded, and know where I'm talking about. Right? And, I think that's a pity because we all want to figure it out.
And, then we can point a finger like, hey. You see that? I was right about this, and you were wrong. Okay. Handshake, drink a beer, great experience, freeze your balls off in Antarctica. You can go, you know, take a shit outside or go pee outside because I think, what's the temperature in December in Antarctica?
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Around 30 degrees is the average in December. Oh, that's not too bad. Yeah. It's not that bad. Wow. I've had I've had colder temperatures in Colorado.
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Right. I think here too is like Celsius. So it's, I think it's like 20 20 degrees difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit. I don't know for sure, but I think it's, like, around that.
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Yeah. I think it's closer to 32 Mhmm. Difference.
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Yeah. So what's freezing point in, in Fahrenheit? I believe 32. 32. Right. Oh, wow. I you can go there with a t shirt.
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I don't know about that.
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Oh, man. Yeah, we have here like minus 5 to minus 10. That's normally the winter normally. When the winter's on screwed up by, SAIs, stratospheric aerosol injections. No chemtrails, they are not there, I know. But great talking to you. I wanna deep, dig a little bit deeper. What's your take on, or what's 1 of the experiments that you want to do to figure out except looking at the sound for 24 hours? What what else do I want to do? Yeah. Or you just want to, you know, hop on a plane, go there, look at the sound for 24 hours, and go back.
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So no. I want to there's a lot of things I wanna do. And, yes, I'm almost gonna be exclusively focused on the sun. So if anybody else wants to do other experiments, they're gonna have to do those on their own, which is fine. We already have a guy who's going to Antarctica to do an experiment there while we're there. But the reason I I'm so focused on the sun is because there's a lot of there there's a lot of unknowns. There there's a lot of variables. There's a lot of curve balls that can be thrown at me. So I I wanna be tracking the sun. I wanna be prepared if the sun goes behind clouds. I wanna be prepared if the sun goes behind a hill or a mountain. I wanna be prepared if the sun is setting.
I wanna capture all of this. I also wanna look at shadows, which is directly, tied to the sun because the shadow on a flat earth on the flat earth model should do something very specific. And I've got a guy working on modeling that for me. And then a shadow on the globe side, you don't really need a model for. The shadow would go like this around the object in a circle. Right? If the sun is doing a 360, then the shadow would as well. So that not only do I wanna monitor shadows, I wanna record shadows to see what the shadows do because the shadows and the sun itself will be solid evidence for what the sun is doing. So that's what my time is gonna be focused on Mhmm.
While we're there.
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Did did did you know that in the early days when a, event like, the sun clock, like, just like a normal stick in the ground and then 12 numbers around it, that probably it only could exist on a plain Earth. Mhmm. Because she got, of course, the sun that's gonna set. And otherwise, she because we are spinning and stuff like that. Well, okay, no, let me touch base on another topic. What do you think is the best argument that we are living on a globe? Mhmm. Great question.
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What is the best argument that we're living on a globe? I'm a saint. I'm a big fan. People are gonna laugh at me for this. I'm a big fan of, photography from space. So I personally am very convinced. That's 1 of the main things that convince who live on the globe is just space photography of the earth.
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Right. What about all the people that say, and if you look it up on NASA c CGI, there are no real photos from outer space of this Earth.
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Yes. So I've heard that a lot, obviously. I I'm willing to provide a photo under 1 condition, which has never been met, I don't think. The condition is if someone asks me, Will, show me a real photo of Earth from space. My 1 condition before I go to the trouble of that is for them to tell me how they're going to, test the photo and determine whether or not it's a real photo or not. Right.
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That's it. Thing will be the question, how high should you go to see the earth complete?
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Mhmm. Yeah. So to to see the Earth complete with a single image or photograph, you'd have to go very high. I don't think it could be done right now. I don't even know. Well, that's not true. You you'd have to go really high. I don't know how high, but, like, the ISS, the International Space Station, nowhere near high enough.
[00:42:44] Unknown:
Oh, no. That that's that's yeah. Because my belief system is is, contradiction you to yours. I don't think we ever went to space. But that's something like I figured out myself. And I'm not 1 to grab your butt and hand and tell you like, oh, look at these things all and make up your mind. You know? But I think it's very fascinating. The other question will be, what do you think is the best argument from the flat earth that we're living on a flat earth?
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Yeah. That's another good question.
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Thanks.
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Yeah. No. These are great. These are different than a lot of my other interviews, so it's it's it's good. I I like, some new things. Yeah. So the best argument that we live on a flat earth is probably the inability for, humans to demonstrate that we live on a globe, just any individual any individual human. So just go pick some random person and just say, hey. Pull them off the street. Say, hey. Can you with your resources and whatever you own, can you prove that we live on a globe? That is what I would say is probably the best argument because I'll I'll say this. You can't.
I mean, may may maybe you can, but I don't know how because we appeal to so many things. Like, look at what I appealed to. Right? I appealed to photography. Like, I don't know if it's called, you know, astrophotography or whatever, but I I appeal to photography from space. Go pick anybody off the street. They can't do that. They can't go to space. They can't go take a picture for you. No. So, yeah, I think that's I think that's a good 1. Like, another example would be, you know, if they're like, oh, prove the curve or prove the rotation.
Well, not everybody out on the street could go build a Foucault's pendulum if they were trying to show rotation. They couldn't buy a laser gyroscope that's $20. Right. They couldn't they couldn't go buy a ship and sail it off and see if it disappears bottom up. So it's it's difficult for for somebody to show that. And so from the simple observational standpoint, like, we don't feel like we're moving. We don't see curvature. Mhmm. We see we see a a a flat plane. I think that's probably the, the best argument on that side. Right.
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But because there there there's, of course, there are a lot of people trying to debunk either way, right? So, flat earth says, okay, water always finds its level. That's a fact. I never saw something around the ball that would stay there. That was for me, 1 of the biggest eye openers just like, wait a minute. So at that time, we didn't have like the fancy photographs, like, the P900 and the P1000 like we do now. You know, people would drag me to the beach and say, look, Rob, there's a ship, and now it's gone. Nowadays, even with my camera, which has a 50 times zoom, I can see, look, it's still there. Right?
So And that's of course, where a lot of things happening with mathematics, with, okay, you say this, but, oh, we have to figure out how does it come? I think that and because you talked about photography, I think that the longest distance ever recorded on photography is like 520 miles, which there should be no mountains that you could see. But you can see the peak of the mountains, and even the bottom of the mountains, which is a high, what's it called, with a high spectrum photograph made. These were for me at that time, just like, oh, I want to figure it out. Then, I had to figure out like, okay, I will looking at historic channel, discoveries channel and stuff like that. I really, like old cultures and old civilizations and stuff like that. And they all pointed out all over the whole world, like this, flat thing with a shield on it with a dog. Just like, oh, you know, why does that make sense? And now we're living on a ball. The other way is, of course, we are humans. So, what we get on education is deep within our belief system.
And to let that go and to think differently, even as a scientist. Right? So, okay, the ball falls down. What does that mean? You know? Some people would say, okay, that's gravity. Well, even scientists can't explain gravity. They can't touch it. They can't do anything with it. So, it's a made up word for something that just happens. And that's really fascinating, for me. And I think that you dig into some videos also to debunk your own model or to debunk the other model, whatever model that you're, willing to take. What would you do, Will, if you could save like $120, 000 spend some on disorganized production so we can make better productions and have, more interesting guests and stuff like that.
Just a little quote for myself, right? Disclaimer. But what if there are experiments that are easier to do with less risks and with, less funding to figure it out.
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I don't know if that exists. If it does, someone should tell me. Yeah. So I I've been you know, I there's a reality show, apparently, that's being filmed right now where they're giving 5 families $50, 000 each, and the families are flat earth. And so they're giving them 50 grand each, and they're saying, okay. Take this $50, 000 and go do whatever you need to prove we we we live on a flat earth. And then bring your results to us. It's gonna go in front of a panel of experts. I don't know who these experts are. And then they're gonna try to convince the panel of us experts that we live on a flat Earth. And if they are successful, they're gonna get an additional monetary prize awarded.
Right. So I did a video asking Flat Earthers what they would do with the $50, 000. I don't know if I got any response from Flat Earthers. I I it was mainly from Globers. But, again, the reason I was fascinated by that is because I have spent over a year figuring out with a limited budget, what can I do with this budget? And I think I found the best thing, which is going to Antarctica.
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Right.
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If there's something that could be done that both sides would agree, that's the key here, is I want both sides to say, yes. This is a definitive experiment, which is what we have with the 24 hour sun. Both sides said that until I announced the final experiment. Now some people are walking that back. But, yeah, if if there was something that both sides would agree, yes, this is definitive, and both sides would agree to conduct it together and both sides would agree ahead of time. If the results are, a, we live on a globe. If the results are, b, we live on a flat plane and it was cheaper, I would consider sponsoring that. Right. Right.
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Be be because what fascinates me is, of yeah. Of course, we got some scientists, and we got some math that we can put out if we're living on the globe, that we live on the globe, whatever. But the fascinating thing for me was when I was digging into that topic, that that blew me away, first of all, just like, what? What are they trying to tell here? And then you're gonna dig into your own belief system, like, oh, does that make sense or doesn't? What I would say, like, is it my plausible truth, or is this something you know, fishy?
It doesn't seem to be right. The funny thing I think is that on this from from my perspective on this moment, Flat Earth has more proof, just like David Wise, even that he debunks himself or is talking shit on some other topics on Antarctica, has a lot of proven scientific, methods to prove that we're living on a flat Earth. And with the GLOBE model, it's like, oh, this is the circle, that's a crazy word for me, circumremesis that, what's it called? Where you have the ball? Spherical? Yeah. No. The the where you go around completely. Circumnavigate?
Yeah, I think that's the word. So like 24, 000 miles and stuff like that. Circumference? Circumference, yeah, right. That's a crazy word for me. Circumference, right. Okay, try to remember that. And they show you the data, the map, and well, that's about it. And of course, we got NASA. I think for me, that's a red flag. That for me is a red flag. If they'll see you who invented NASA, like Wernher von Braun, all the Nazis from paperclip came there, the moon landing, all that stuff. That gives me like, oh, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. If they would really, just like you said, if they would really like, okay, the Hubble, telescope is out there.
We can make pictures, we can do whatever the hell we want, but we can turn it around and we can make a picture of earth. Well, there you go. There you are. There is 1 picture that's been taken from Earth, but it's, I think it's called the
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blue dot, which is the- Blue marble.
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The blue marble. Exactly. That's basically, a very bad photograph of someone who tried to make a photograph in the dark with no, with no flashlight. And there's 1 little dot, and, oh, there. That that's the earth. Well, that's not proof of me. And I hope that you know that I'm not trying to convince or to debunk it, but it's come on. That is
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yeah. That's not the blue marble. I forget what that photo is called.
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Right. The blue so, yeah, the blue marble came out when they had the, the the moon mission, I think. But the other 1 is that that, yeah, it's it's a crazy photograph. You can't picture out anything out of it.
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Yeah. It's yeah, it's it's like, yeah, it's it's supposedly like a picture of the universe, and 1 little speck is the earth.
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Right. Exactly. Mhmm. It's it's like grandma tried to make a photograph with new technology, didn't figure out how to put the camera cap off, didn't use a flashlight. And grandpa is sitting there, smoking cigarette, and there's something lighting up. And, oh, you look at hers right now. So, but I, you know, I think it's very fascinating, Will, that, when eventually someone with a good intention wants to start to figure out where we're living on, or if there's a 24 hour sun, that you're gonna have so much people that are against it or not willing to work with you to figure it out, even not will willing to work with you sitting in the plane. How long does the trip, is going to take, like a few days or like a week?
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We will be in Antarctica for 5 days, 4 nights. Wow.
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So that's, we need sunglasses to go sleep.
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Yeah. Well and they they've got some,
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the the the the sleeping quarters are very covered. Right. Right. Right. I figured it out when I was flying from, and I think I thought it was really stupid. When I was flying from, LA, like 11 o'clock in the morning, I go 11 hours flight, and I have a time difference of 9 hours, right, in the Netherlands. But here it comes. So you fly at, well, at noon. No, no, let's say for example, at noon. Within 4 or 5 hours, they're gonna close the, the plain windows, the, yeah, what's it called? The- The window. You can't see. The shade. Yes. You can look outside. You gotta, you know, you gotta sleep somehow.
But the funny thing is if you fly like 11 hours and you got 9 hour difference, it's take, well, it took me almost 24 hours to get back home because I got a delay of 13 hours in Las Vegas. Right? Los Angeles? Yeah. No. From Los Angeles, I flew to Las Vegas. Oh, wow. A 13 hour degree, I was later, quite, you know? So I was flying in at night. When the sun comes up, they close the blinds again. So you're going to sleep again because you got melatonin and stuff like that going on in your brain, which tells you you gotta go to sleep. Right? And you land in the middle of night, like 10 o'clock in the evening in, well, this was in Dusseldorf.
So your complete rhythm is gone. I wanted to figure out, like, I want to sit on the, on the, on the window side. No, I would look outside the window, like 11 hours, just like, what's going on there, man? How many times do you look up except the pilot? Right? Mhmm. You see the sun, you see some clouds where you go land. Everybody's going to be awake. When you, when you, when you, take off, when you're going to land, everybody is awake. But meanwhile, just flat out. I think it's very fascinating. And I think it's very fascinating also when we can have an answer for the 24 hour sun, will it not give you more questions about the place there we live where we live in?
Just like you said, because the sun is very fascinating. Mhmm.
[00:57:53] Unknown:
I I don't know if I'll have more questions. It's, it's what the globe model predicts. The globe model predicts the sun should do the same thing in the north as it does in the south except in the opposite direction and at opposite times a year. Right. So I think if we find that, it'll be pretty convincing that the globe model is right. So let's all flatter. Yeah. Let's, I'll I'll keep you up to date, and,
[00:58:23] Unknown:
yeah, please please follow along with us. Yes. I I I would love to. It's it's something that, like, once in a lifetime, I think what you really need is some people that are critical, people that are skeptic, but, they should give everything a chance. Even if you're our Flat Earth or all with Globers or scientists, you should respect everyone who's doing that for their own purpose. Right? It's not like a football team, or the reds or the blues. You know, it's not you against me. No. It's like, let's figure it out. You know, let's get along together. Right? You got the same That's right. You got the same needs. You got the same things that you're wondering.
So why not? Okay. Wow. Wow. Excited. We're going to figure it out. No, are you a parent? I don't get that. I don't get it at all. It's like this MTV, this sweet little 16 where these little girls or little guys from 60 years old get a $200, 000 car and they don't like it. Right. That's the wrong car, daddy. Well, I'm quite disappointed to you. I'm gonna drop you down in Antarctica, and let's see if you're gonna fit in there. But yeah, man. Wow.
[00:59:57] Unknown:
Yeah. I don't get it either, but we'll we'll see. Maybe, maybe their tune will change.
[01:00:03] Unknown:
I do hope so. Because eventually, the as as I said, when you have a question and that's been answered, there will be more questions popping up. Always. Well, for me, it does. That's why I still, I can go out of my rabbit holes. It's too deep. Right? The the ground is crumbling down as as soon as it start to work out because another one's popping up and stuff like that or, new insights about an existing 1. So that's really fascinating for me. The other thing is, why don't we let the people treat with respect? And I think that had nothing to do with Flat Earth or whatever. It has to do with no manner from my perspective, right? And I had a long journey to figure it out. No matter what your belief system is, no matter what the color of your skin is, no matter what culture you have, no matter what religious or political, ideas you have, We're all humans and we all wanna feel love.
We wanna feel accepted. We wanna, share beautiful moments with each other. What's the point of all the divide and conquer, because it's divide and conquer, right? Is it flat earth or not? Are you black or white? Are you red? Are you for Biden or for Trump? I don't give a shit about where you are. Are you human? Should you care about all the stage theater that's going on? Or should you focus on what's real in life? So even if we figure out if we're living on a globe or we're living on a flat plane, it doesn't matter because they're still stuck here and we have to deal with each other. Right? Right.
Okay. We're coming back. It's, well, it's going to be 5050. What's going to be the answer. Right? But we still have to continue our life and, you know, figure all this stuff out.
[01:02:12] Unknown:
Yeah. Hopefully, the final experiment will end some of the animosity towards each other. Yeah.
[01:02:18] Unknown:
That'd be great. Yeah. That that would be great on a on a on a big scale. Like, okay. We take that 1 in the box. Next 1. How to overcome tyranny of the government? How to overcome tyranny of taxes? How to overcome that everyone is divided? How do we overcome that in some countries, you don't have food and we have plenty of food. And all these things, and when we are having this list and it's gonna be checked out completely, I think the Earth, whatever shape it is, will be ready for a new civilization, that's gonna be there with support and love to each other, no matter how you walk, talk or whatever.
I think we should get to that point because I think that is what really matters. And to figure stuff out, cool, right? Mhmm.
[01:03:17] Unknown:
Yeah. I like that. I like that a lot. We we we've gotta keep the big picture in mind for sure.
[01:03:23] Unknown:
Yeah. What are the the the the biggest problems you can come across with the flight to Antarctica. Are are you flying, like, weekly to to Antarctica, or is it, like, several seasons because of the harsh environment?
[01:03:41] Unknown:
Yeah. It's mainly in the summer season. The company that we're using, ALE, I think they have around 6 to 12 flights a year into Antarctica, all in the November, December, January, February time frame. Right. But there's other companies that fly to Antarctica as well.
[01:04:02] Unknown:
And isn't it so that, I think I think it's that horse. So, it's on, well, if you see the globe on the top from my perspective, I'm in Europe. So, yeah, yeah, I'm totally pointed out completely wrong because I got mirroring and stuff like that. But from my perspective, I'm in the middle as Europe. On the left, there's Africa. Sorry, America. Down under, there's South America. Under Europe, there's Africa. On the top, you got, Sweden, Norway, all that stuff. Yep. I think in that horse, I think it's Canada or Alaska. There's also a 24 hour sun and, 24 hour darkness.
[01:04:55] Unknown:
That's right. So Yeah. So the the the darkness corresponds with the 24 hour sun, meaning the opposite the opposite hemisphere is dark while there's a 24 hour sun in the other hemisphere. Exactly.
[01:05:09] Unknown:
Exactly. So we could do the experiment, but then we don't know if it's dark in Antarctica and 24 hour sun in that horse. Am I right?
[01:05:24] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, we we we do know what's going on in the north. That's pretty well documented. So, again, the north is, you know, very sunny right now. 24 hour sun if you're far enough north. And then we also know in December that you've got 24 hours of darkness in the north. So the the the key is figuring out what the sun is doing at that time. Right. That's what we're gonna do. Because everything is duality in life. So couldn't that be also a very good duality of our Earth? No matter what shape it is, that it's gonna be, you know, there there will be darkness and there will be
[01:06:01] Unknown:
light. And it's in balance like Jing and Yang. Yeah.
[01:06:06] Unknown:
Fascinating. Fascinating. It's it's very fascinating. I'm very excited.
[01:06:11] Unknown:
So, you're a pastor now, but is that the only thing that well, not the only thing that you do, but not to be disrespectful, but is that the only, source of income that you now have and that you do on your daily life?
[01:06:27] Unknown:
So our church is very small, and so I don't make money from the church. Right. So for lack of a better term, I'm I'm a volunteer pastor. Okay. Cool.
[01:06:39] Unknown:
How Yeah. Because you told me you told us, the audience, how that came. But, I think it's a tremendous switch from, in finance, your author, you gave also social lectures to the military about taxes and about pensions and stuff like that. You know how to deal with money, right? Because that's the biggest issue also. To being a pastor, that's, well, it's not opposite. It's both Free plus. What you believe in, right? If you believe in money or you believe in, a god.
[01:07:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't demonize money. Money is a lot like alcohol in that when someone has a lot of it, it starts to bring out who they truly are. So money can be used for good. It can be used for for evil. Right. So yeah. I I I I've always been into theology. It's not that hard if you, you know, search YouTube for my name. You're gonna find a bunch of theological debates. I've been doing those for probably almost 2 decades now. Right. Right. So so, yeah, like, Christianity, the Bible, theology, that that wasn't new to me. Just just pastored it pastoring a church and shepherding a flock is what's new. And it's difficult.
Right. But it's rewarding. Right.
[01:08:10] Unknown:
I really love this conversation because I think we touched based on so many other things than, trying to figure out, what the name of your dog is or about others crazy questions and crazy models that we see spinning around on the other guys' podcast, which is stolen, but he claims to be it's his.
[01:08:33] Unknown:
Right? Right. Insaneating. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But,
[01:08:40] Unknown:
as I said before we opt on the podcast, I have a lot of respect for you to keep your head calm. I think I would, hit the arrow button just like, oh, my connection's lost. Like, fuck you. Just like just like that. Just like if you And you just kept your cool, man, probably because your hat was already in Antarctica. Right?
[01:09:02] Unknown:
You know, it's just kinda who I am as a person. It it, it takes a lot to rile me up. Right.
[01:09:09] Unknown:
I think that that also has to do with the financial system. Right? Because that's that's crazy, especially in the times that you were, in financial. Like, 2, 008 must be like, holy cow. What's happening now?
[01:09:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I wasn't in the financial industry at that 0,
[01:09:27] Unknown:
you're lucky.
[01:09:28] Unknown:
I know. Yeah. But I will say you you are correct. You you have to keep your you have to keep emotions out of finance, which is very difficult very difficult. Most people, that's where they get in trouble is when they start making financial decisions emotionally.
[01:09:43] Unknown:
Right. What do you think about the, the digitalizing of our money, what they're trying to do now?
[01:09:49] Unknown:
Yeah. So it's a it's an interesting 1. Crypto has a very it's it's firmly rooted, I think, at this point. But what it's gonna look like long term, I don't know. The banking system is very broken. Mhmm. Anybody that's, you know, tries to do international transactions or even just wires can see how broken the banking system is. Or you Do you understand fractional reserve banking? I think there's gonna be some changes. I I just don't know what those are going to look like. I think digital currency could solve a lot of problems. Is the government and our, you know, the the masses willing to make that switch? I don't know. We'll see. Maybe.
[01:10:37] Unknown:
Yeah. I totally agree with you. Some things could be very, well, better for our society to to live on as a society. For me, it has also a lot of question marks. I don't like to be controlled. Well, that's a very big statement because everything that we do right now will be tracked. Even, you know, when it touch base in America, which was my first time, like a long flight, well, to America for this, for this example. My apps and my telephone start to do weird things because, you know, the algorithm and all the stuff that's, what's allowed in America, what's not, they figured it out as soon as I, you know, had my phone on. That was very fascinating for me.
[01:11:23] Unknown:
And I do think I do think countries have the right to know, who is within their borders. Right. Yes. I'm not saying they don't know for things.
[01:11:37] Unknown:
So from disorganized block, so you gotta be, you know, that, oh, now my telephone goes mad because I pronounce my own name. Okay, go away. So, and of course, we're living in very fascinating times, right? If you see like the time schedule of the last 10 years, what happening to us, the the people and and the the the systems and things they push through that people you know, the it's it's a very, quite rough times for a lot of people to keep their head on swivel and stuff like that. But I think if we, just like I said before, if we support each other with love, community, all that stuff, that's the key.
And, we're gonna have to figure out oh, probably gonna figure out more stuff about what's happening there. Right? Just like you said, okay, I wanna put a camera up there and make a real picture, and who's gonna debunk now that, oh, that's CGI or whatever. You know, you always this questionnaire that you're going to get on. Will, I always have 14 questions nowadays for my guests. So, if there's anything that you want to touch base on, we can do that right now. And otherwise, we're gonna ask you, like, 14
[01:13:03] Unknown:
questions. Okay. Let's let's do it. Okay.
[01:13:07] Unknown:
I think they're not that weird as you are, known about the last couple of weeks. It's crazy, crazy. Okay. I'm ready. What's your definition of God?
[01:13:22] Unknown:
Great question. I I believe that something I I believe that something has always existed, And I think that everyone has to take that position, because something can't come from nothing. So I think everybody we should all find common ground. Something has always existed. Now what is that something? That something for me is God. I do believe that there's way too much order and design and beauty in our universe for it to have happened by chance, through accidents and mistakes. And so God to me is the all powerful, creator, of of our world.
Right. What's the definition of the devil? The devil. That's a that's a that's that's a little bit more of a difficult 1. So, you know, from a Christian standpoint, the devil is, a fallen angel and, a being a created being that, disobeyed God and wanted to be like God and fell away and became kind of, the number 1 enemy of God. So Mhmm. That's how I would define the the devil.
[01:14:46] Unknown:
And do you think it's, a life here on Earth?
[01:14:52] Unknown:
I think it's possible that, the devil has some freedom to tempt and things of that nature, but not full range.
[01:15:05] Unknown:
Okay. I got more true definition questions. What's your definition of value?
[01:15:12] Unknown:
Definition of value. Wow. Value value is really in many ways in the eye of the beholder. So things have value based on who wants them Mhmm. And based on, you know, supply and demand and and things of that nature. But I would say that human beings have value, more more value than anything else in existence due to the fact that I believe we are made in the image of God. So that value, comes from from God himself, which is
[01:15:51] Unknown:
incredibly valuable. Love that answer. Love that answer. So the last definition question will be, what's your, definition of success?
[01:16:02] Unknown:
Definition of success. That's a good 1. N f in 1 of his songs, he's a rapper. I think he defines success as doing something that, no 1 else has done. Mhmm. And that's, I I like that. I I think I think success is very subjective. I think if a mom, feels successful because she raised her children in a way that she could be proud of when they leave the house, I think that's amazing. There's people that have accomplished incredible things like Elon Musk, you know, could be could fall under the definition of success, meaning he's just brought incredible ideas, to fruition in so many different areas of life.
Bea, I think it's very I think it's very subjective. I I have always liked, what this, rapper NF has said, though, which is doing something no 1 else has done. And so
[01:17:00] Unknown:
the final experiment is something that has never been done before. So Right. Right. That that that and it will be a success, whatever outcome and it will be. Right? Definitely. Okay. I think I have, easier questions. What's your favorite color?
[01:17:17] Unknown:
Favorite color has always been green. Great. K. What's your favorite music? I've got I've got a very bizarre taste in music. So my number 1 genre of music is worship. And as I just exposed, I I also like rap. Wow. It was Yeah. Right. Very, very opposite. And then I also like,
[01:17:44] Unknown:
It's the yin and the yang.
[01:17:46] Unknown:
Yes. And I actually like instrumental music as well. Mhmm.
[01:17:53] Unknown:
What's your favorite, film or movie or series? Oh, wow. That's a tough 1.
[01:18:03] Unknown:
I don't know if I have a favorite, movie. I will say that my favorite genre of movies are would definitely be documentaries. I'm more into the real and more into nonfiction than I am fantasy and fiction. Mhmm. Okay.
[01:18:20] Unknown:
What's your favorite book?
[01:18:23] Unknown:
Favorite book? You know, the book I've spent the most time in and and continue to be blown away by is the Bible. So I I I gotta say that's definitely the number 1, and the bible is the number 1 best selling book of all time probably for a reason.
[01:18:39] Unknown:
Right. Right. It's a fascinating book. I have to admit that. What's your favorite beverage or drink? Mhmm.
[01:18:48] Unknown:
So this will, not be very exciting, but that would definitely be water. It's actually all I drink. I don't drink anything else.
[01:18:56] Unknown:
Good. It's it's mainly 1 of the most given answers on my podcast. Interesting. Yes. And I have, well, my spectrum of gas is so different. It's unbelievable. And I like to drink my filtered water with my copper, jam. So I'm fine with my water too. Absolutely. Absolutely. Will, what's your favorite food?
[01:19:30] Unknown:
Favorite food? I'd have to go with beef. I have been eating almost exclusively beef for almost 5 years now. Wow.
[01:19:43] Unknown:
Like and you like it, like, raw, medium? Medium rare. Medium rare. Medium rare. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Yes. Yes. What kind of clothing you like to wear the most? Clothing?
[01:19:59] Unknown:
Yeah. Light and comfortable. Uh-huh. Okay. I wore a I wore a 3 piece suit for well over 5 years in a row. That's tough. 25. Wow. Okay.
[01:20:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I was, 25 years like, international salesman. Yeah. Well, not always, but international, national salesman. So I always was dressed up like a monkey. And, yeah, I still like it, but it's like a uniform to me now. Yeah, it's tough. It was at that time too. I felt different. People are treating you different when you have a suit on. Definitely. Which is also a red flag for me for some people, to be honest with you. Because as you see, I got quite some tattoos. When I'm doing my business, I always have long shirt on, even when I went to Brazil, always a long shirt with a suit.
But, yeah, it's it's crazy how people treat you with just a little different style. Right. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. Fascinating to me. Psychology. Yeah. I love that shit. What's your favorite holiday destination or vacation destination?
[01:21:23] Unknown:
Oh, wow. Anywhere where there's where there's ocean. I I lived on the I lived on the ocean in Puerto Rico for a few years Oh, wow. And just fell in love with marine life. So that's if you ever asked me the question where where where would I rather be than where I'm at, it's it's in the water, you know, with with the, with the fish.
[01:21:47] Unknown:
Right. Completely different world, of course.
[01:21:50] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. It's it's great. It's it's a it's a whole other world that's moving and shaking 247
[01:21:57] Unknown:
while we're all just doing our thing on land. And we do know nothing about it because they say, well, well, we we discover, like, 5 percent of the oceans. Well, you don't know 100%. So how do you figure out it's 5% that you figured out? Good point. Yeah. If you really like documentaries, there is a great movie, My Octopus Teacher.
[01:22:20] Unknown:
Love it. You saw it? Yeah. That's a great 1. I love that 1. Yeah. Yeah. Oct the octopus is an incredible creature. I've spent a bit of time with them. They're hard to find, obviously. But when I do find 1 in the ocean, I spend as much time with it as I can. Wow.
[01:22:37] Unknown:
We got the last 2 questions. Time flies when you're having fun, Will. What's your favorite quote?
[01:22:45] Unknown:
Favorite quote? I don't have a favorite quote. I I do like quotes. I'm, I'm motivated by them, and I'm inspired by them, but I just don't have a favorite. Nothing's even coming to me right right right now.
[01:23:03] Unknown:
And last question. What's your life's motto?
[01:23:08] Unknown:
My life's motto Mhmm. That's another good 1. The only thing that's coming to me is there's actually a bible verse that I think sums up the entire Bible in 1 verse. And it's, acts 529. And it says we ought to obey God rather than man. And so that's something that I've definitely lived by is, is obeying God rather than man. So if if if the government or whoever, authority figures want me to do something, I run it through that filter first. So if they're telling me to do something that I think is wrong, I I'm just not gonna do it. I think that's why on every,
[01:24:01] Unknown:
in every country, when you are going to the government or most of the time the bible. And the, well, here it's, I think it's the Muslim book, the Quran. Mhmm. Yeah. These 2 are always laying at our side. So whatever they're gonna tell you, if you point out 1 of these books and you know scripture, they're free men because there's no 1 that's, reigning or doing something above God, whatever God you you like. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I had a great conversation, Will. I think I I hope you, you didn't regret to put, to put you on disorganized productions, although it's called disorganized. I think it's quite disorganized as we talked about the final experiment.
I'm very excited, about, how it's going to be. If you have a space left, well, I could be the guide, just like I said, you know, making the photograph with a, with a, with a, with a filter lens for the sun, but I would rather be, do some great stuff with the great cool people, and cool people probably, especially where we land there, to see what's going on because it's very fascinating. And, I think it's a great job to put it on. I hope there are other podcasts and interviews that treats you with respect. I just wanna shout that out because even if you have a guest and you're very about him or whatever, you wanna debunk him, do it with respect.
And, I'm not here to debunk anything. I just want to ask questions, be skeptical about stuff, have my own meaning, which I don't always ventilate because I don't have to because you are my guest, and I like to see and to hear your point of view. And I think, we did a great show about that, Will. Thank you for, hopping on to Zornay's productions.
[01:26:03] Unknown:
Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks for having me. If anybody wants to follow what we're doing, just just look us up on YouTube. Just search for the final experiment, and you can subscribe and get notifications for all our videos. And our website is the final experiment dotcom with dashes, the dash final dash experiment dot
[01:26:18] Unknown:
com. Okay. Cool. Really thank you for your time and your energy to put on this podcast. For all the listeners, have a beautiful morning, a beautiful day, or beautiful evening, no matter where you are on this beautiful, my perspective, plain planet. Thank you, Will. Take care. Okay. Real quick fellow human. Check my show description where there's the link to my, linktree/disorganized productions where you can find all my websites. There's also a web shop where you can find some cool merchandise and, I will be live a few times a week with my guitar playing on TikTok, which is Rob g Disorganized.
Check it out. And, yeah. There's also 1 thing I wanna mention is that my skirt will be available as soon as possible in my shop. Thank you for listening fellow human. He's a pain in the ass.
[01:28:01] Unknown:
It's black as at night. God
[01:28:30] Unknown:
couldn't fulfill my dreams. He's a pain in the ass.
[01:28:35] Unknown:
I'm black as a knight.
Introduction to the Podcast
Introducing Special Guest Will Duffy
Will Duffy's Background and Journey
Will Duffy's Transition to Pastoring
Interpreting Biblical Texts and Flat Earth
Dealing with Critics and Debunkers
The Antarctica Experiment
Flat Earthers' Response to the Experiment
Logistics and Preparations for the Trip
Verifying the Sun's Behavior
Best Arguments for Globe and Flat Earth
Alternative Experiments and Funding
Will Duffy's Current Life and Work
Rapid Fire Questions
Closing Remarks and Contact Information
