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Welcome to another intriguing episode of the Disorganized Productions podcast! I'm your host, Rob, and today we dive deep into the realms of the unknown with our special guest, Nathaniel Gillis. This episode is part 2 of our conversation with Nathaniel, where we explore his fascinating experiences and research in the paranormal and supernatural fields.

Nathaniel shares his recent trip to Manchester, England, where he met some of the world's top researchers in the field. He recounts his out-of-body experiences and the profound conversations he had with experts like Steve Marrow, Barry Fitzgerald, Paul Sinclair, Mark Olley, and the Kinsella brothers.

We delve into the complexities of the phenomenon, discussing how it manifests in various forms and the implications it has on our understanding of reality. Nathaniel explains the concept of the 'veil thinning' and how the phenomenon tests our belief systems by manifesting in ways that challenge our perceptions.

The conversation takes a deep dive into the idea of physiological constructs and how the phenomenon can manipulate our senses and emotions to create believable yet deceptive experiences. We also touch on the historical context of these manifestations, exploring ancient practices and beliefs that have shaped our understanding of the paranormal.

Nathaniel introduces us to his latest research on 'necronetics,' a field that examines the self-replication of species and the phenomenon's ability to create its own mediums. We discuss the implications of this research and how it ties into ancient practices and modern-day experiences.

Join us as we unravel the mysteries of the unknown and question the very fabric of our reality. This episode is packed with thought-provoking insights and deep discussions that will leave you pondering long after it's over.

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[00:00:00] Unknown:

Skip me branches like squirrel, baby.   Welcome, fellow human, to the Disorganized Productions podcast,   the show that fuels your spirit,   ignites your potential,   and helps you become the best version of yourself.   I'm your host, Rob,   and each episode,   we'll embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you. Tap into your limitless potential   and conquer life's challenges.  

[00:00:59] Unknown:

Okay.   Go ahead.  

[00:01:01] Unknown:

Alright, man. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human,   welcome to another   crazy   already episode from disorganized productions.   It's part 2 of a very special guest.   And, to be honest with you, we, we hooked up several times throughout   throughout the last couple of, hours   days to get this fixed,   but somehow this time schedule is, is screwing us up all the time.   But please, a warm welcome for for Nathaniel   Jilin.  

[00:01:39] Unknown:

Thank you, brother. It's great to be with you, and oh my goodness. This is,   yeah.   I apologize for being so late, but, I I love you to death. You're one of my favorite hosts,   and I'm excited to get into the research, my man. Oh,  

[00:01:54] Unknown:

how was your time in England in in, Manchester? Because,   you were my   special birthday present.   Right?   And I think I I remember you went to Manchester for the first time out of America   and, to do a lecture about the stuff that you're investigating. And I'm I'm very curious about that. Yeah.  

[00:02:18] Unknown:

It was it was a blast. It was an out of body experience from the beginning to the end.   It's a different world. You know? I I remember   getting into the wrong side of the car over and over and over again.   Yeah. And I felt like an idiot. But, it was amazing. I got to meet,   some of, if not the best researchers in the world, Steve Marrow, Barry Fitzgerald,   of course, my buddy Paul Sinclair,   Mark Olley,   and the Kinsella   brothers.   It was just an all around great experience,   and,   I know it meant so much to me because it's very for the very first time I got to meet a hero of mine,   you know.  

Yeah. And that was   oh, it's   it was an out of body experience within an already   out of body experience.   Right?   And, Limbo?   It was it was incredible.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like yeah. Yeah. Inception.   No.   But, I loved it,   and, I got to pick their brains, you know, and we have we had conversations that are,   they were more in-depth than most conversations I've been able to have here in the States with other researchers.   So I I I   and, of course, the food was good. The food was, you know, I had some gravy and chips and gravy,   I think it was. Uh-huh. But it overall was an incredible experience,   and, I may be going back to film a lecture series,   but, that's still in the talks. So Wow.  



[00:03:51] Unknown:

That sounds good. I mean,   the last time when we talked, I had, something with the word fascinating.   I was listening to the episode today just to prepare a little bit. I never ever listen normally to my own episodes because, well, I just said it and I just, you know, bring the shit out.  

[00:04:11] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it just I'm the same way. It freaks me out.  

[00:04:14] Unknown:

I was only probably like, oh, fascinating. Fasting. It is fascinating to me. But   talking to the word so much,   it it it's just like if you say something very, very good and then you end with some cursing,   it doesn't make sense. Right?  

[00:04:31] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:04:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. We Well,   yeah, go ahead.  

[00:04:36] Unknown:

No. I enjoyed it. I had a blast, and, I'm thankful for a mutual   friend for   setting this up. You know? That was  

[00:04:47] Unknown:

Wait. I'm gonna hop on to my other Internet connection because I see that my Internet is a little bit unstable,   but that would be solved in a few seconds   right now. Yes.   Sorry to interrupt you.  

[00:05:01] Unknown:

It's okay. Yeah. But, as I was saying, I think I don't know if you heard me or not, but I'm I'm glad that we have mutual friend in common and that he was able to to hook us up, man. It's always cool.  

[00:05:11] Unknown:

Right. And he had some crazy experiences too. He was on   Shane Jones, you know, inquires of reality,   of our reality and bizarre encounters. I was there. Well, I did a show with him the other day.   Okay.   And we were talking also about some stuff, that's very connected to this to the paranormal that you encounter. Right?   Mhmm. Mhmm. And,   while I was listening to the episode today from from us that we did,   I had something popping up in my mind because we were thinking about,   and also what Shane Jones said.   It seems like there's a layer of this reality just like a VHS   tape.  

And when you in the early days, when you recorded something like a TV show and then   you,   record something over it,   sometimes the old stuff comes through. You know?   Mhmm. And I was talking with Shane about it. So   and we were talking about it on the on the on the first episode too about Mhmm. That these dimensions   are woven together,   and somehow   it seems also now   that they   they come together. It they they people see them more and more often like, oh, I saw a ghost or I saw some entities or I saw something going on that wasn't going on for a long time.   What what's your what's your take on that?  



[00:06:39] Unknown:

I think sometimes the veil thins,   but, there are other cases that include the phenomenon just   courting our human condition to see how much of it we can perceive.   You know? And and I think that's an important nuance.   But what I've been doing as of late is questioning, you know, at a certain point in the research,   you've poured over copious amounts of case studies.   And you know   seemingly know some of the capabilities of this intelligence.   And then at a certain point, I'm like, okay. Now that we do know that, we can prove it.   What does this even mean for our species?  

I mean, if it's precognitive,   if it knows the future to a certain degree,   what does that mean for free will?   What did right? And and it's almost as if we're living   in an artificial habitat. And from time to time, the caretakers   come in and   out of our reality and make eye contact with us.   And so learning about some of the capabilities of the phenomenon, it's like, alright.   We know at least in in some cases that these beings will manifest   as deceased loved ones, lovers, just the list goes on and on, guides.   And there seems to be no intention outside of deception   to where once we see beyond the mask, it's like okay   now that we've proven   you lie.  

Right? Mhmm. What's what's the need for that? Why is the deception so present within the phenomenon?   Right. And so this constant   act of   obfuscation,   wherein we know we're in the presence of something,   But can we actually trust our eyes,   our ears, our senses? And so at a certain like I said before at a certain point in my research, I'm like, okay.   Can the phenomenon create physiological constructs?   Can it create manifest apparitions?   Just as in times past where it has appeared as deceased loved ones and guides,   what if that is just one branch from the same tree?  

And then now we have to go deeper and say, okay. How much of hauntology, the study of hauntings, how much of hauntology has been   literally fabricated   by this phenomenon in order to author its own mythology   within our species.   Right? And we're and so that that's why I believe, again, in order to to hide from us, it has it has   diversified   its identity.   And now me and some other research   in the field even in the UK,   we're asking the question, okay. Now that we know what has the capabilities to do these things, these manifestations,   How much of these manifestations can we trust? Are they actual   entities?  

Right? Are they ghosts? Are they real apparitions? Or is this phenomenon using that pen to construct and even reconstruct   Mhmm. Our understanding of reality? Oh,  

[00:09:49] Unknown:

that was based on   It's deep. Based on what what we talked about on the last app. Episode that,   eventually,   researchers put it all like, oh, this is a separate   thing that's going on. And then another thing but but then you connected all the dots. Like,   is it,   like,   several entities, or is it just one that keeps on popping on different occasions and different,   with different factors and stuff like that?  

[00:10:20] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's because it's it's like calling a conglomerate or some   like, calling Costco and getting the help desk at customer service. Press 1. Doop.   And we got we right? We fed into the lie. And I I get I know some researchers suggest that this is an accident or this is some kind of human projection on our part. I don't believe that's the case at all. This phenomenon   you could be passionate about me. This phenomenon   not only knows   what we would believe.   Oh, it's an apparition,   but it has hacked our belief system to the point it knows what we would find worthy   of believing in. How?  

And so this implies this symbiotic relationship   where   it's not just the manifestation,   the cognitive interface. It's not just I am Darren Edna that's occurring,   but there are cases where the phenomenon will manifest to the experience, sir, and then start manipulating the emotions within them   to agree with the image   they're projecting.   So my friend, this is where we are as a species. We're in the medium. We're in that paradigm, that dynamic   between,   right, not just thinking,   but being thought for.   Right.   And so that's this again, the tailoring of the image to the experiencer.   And then in a certain time period, boom. Now it's okay. Yes. You are.  

You are what you appear to be. And a part of this does bleed into the commandeering of consciousness, and we've seen this not just in hauntings,   possession cases, but even in the UFO abduction phenomenon Mhmm. Where   as in, like, okay, you have an experience or in their interfacing with the entity,   And the immediate reaction is this is not my mother. It's like doctor Carla Turner when she was abducted as a child. Oh, I'm your mother. No. You're not.   And then there's a certain time that Barry Fitzgerald and Barry Fitzgerald bitches us too,   where out of nowhere, suddenly the experience where it begins to have downloads and emotions   that are implanted   into them, into their consciousness. Right. And it's designed to agree   and accommodate   that entity's presence.  

So within our species, there is this,   again, this paradigm,   I call it in my book, the protocol of belief   Mhmm. Where it's manifesting to, and then it's manifesting   through.   And so people confuse. Okay. That's a tulpa. It's a thought form in a way.   Yeah. But the the image needs to be believed in, and it's in that   paradigm that we fight.   And and   that's where I'm at now. It's not just, okay. I'm I I want to manifest as this entity. I'm going to manipulate your emotions, and I'm going to cause you to believe in the image.   I am manifesting.  

A a good friend of mine it's an interesting case study, but a good friend of mine had broke up with his his girlfriend.   And I I do so many shows. So if I repeat myself, just act like you didn't even see it, and we'll just move on. No. I'm just kidding. I'm joking, brother. But, yeah, he had broke up with his girlfriend, and he's, like, months later, he goes, I moved to a different part of town,   a new address, new   phone number, new apartment, new job, all that. And, he goes, I got off work, opened up a beer, next thing I know, knock at the door.   And it's it's the ex girlfriend.  

And he's like, okay. What are you doing here? Well, she seduces him. But in the middle of the night, he wakes up.   She's not there.   He spoke to her,   talked to her. Right? Spoke, talked to her. They went to bed together. Next thing you know, she's not there, and there's no evidence of her being there.   Just his personal experience.   And so a couple weeks go by, and so he's contacting her contacts,   her friends, some old friends they had in common, finally gets her number. He calls her up.   Hey.   Well, what was the last night about? I don't know what you're talking about.   No. Well, no. That wasn't me. I told you. We're done. Don't ever contact me again. That's why I blocked you. Right? You you moved across town. I have my life. You have your life. Leave me alone. That wasn't me.  

Now   this this bleeds into   simulants and how the phenomenon   will   implement   someone that appears similar,   something that looks similar to the naked eye. And this is why I wholeheartedly believe that that wholeheartedly rather that that just because it looks like a plane in the sky   doesn't mean it is. Right. Right. And so then this leads me into this kind of this paradigm where   in many cases, the phenomenon will blind us with our own vision.  

[00:15:14] Unknown:

Uh-huh. Or do we blind ourselves with our own vision?  

[00:15:19] Unknown:

Right. Right. You're exactly right. You're yeah. Yeah. So it's coming to and then coming through. And so there are times where the phenomenon will take pieces of our belief system   from our consciousness   and apply that to the image they're employing,   where it is it's it's symbiotic be and this is also why in times past, we have experiences who cannot divorce themselves   from that manifestation. Why? Because that was partially manifested from the experience or themselves.  

[00:15:49] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:15:51] Unknown:

And so this is   does that make sense?  

[00:15:54] Unknown:

Yeah. It does. And I was thinking about it because   it's it's something that you could visualize for yourself even if you if you are daydreaming.   Right?   But the process of your own thoughts   within daydreaming so when you have an intention when you go daydreaming or when you go, you know, I'm gonna take, like, a half an hour's,   sit back and just do a little,   snap, what's what's it called.   Yeah. Yeah. Then you can   implement your thoughts about what you're thinking about, but you can also visualize what you think about. And then it starts to Correct. You know? You you start, like,   drawing something on a paper, and it comes like a text or it comes like a a statue or whatever.  

So   the thing and that's that's very interesting for me is,   how many of these sightings   that are most of the time   from individuals alone   that they're gonna tell you that they had,   experience   are made up   by themselves,   but experienced like it was real.  

[00:17:07] Unknown:

Absolutely.   Yeah. It's a shared experience   between us and the phenomenon.   So it's very strange. I mean, look what we're talking about. This is weird stuff. Right? And I love weird   stuff. Yeah. Let's rock on. Yeah. I mean, but it it's it it gets into this this   concept of reality.   You know, it's like, alright. So this is a shared experience where it's not just manifesting to, it's manifesting   through. And so at a certain point, it does   it does require   an investment   from the experience.   And so, like, I I had a, a case study with a preacher that was driving down the road, and he saw a,   he was driving. I think it was Tennessee and his wife were on vacation,   and they saw this beautiful lake. The light was sunlight was hitting it just right. It was reflection was beautiful. They took out their phone screen, you know, and start snapping photos. Right. Alright. Maybe they'll look at the photo. There is a metallic   cigar shaped object hovering over the water.  

Could not be seen by the naked eye.   Both of them, they all they saw was lit, but the camera caught   a UFO or UAP now. Right? Uh-huh. Hovering over the water.   And so it implies   that we do not see them when they don't want us to.   But when we do see them, that may not be   what they really look like.   Another reference to, of my brother where he was working with a group of researchers   in, I think it was the deep south where they were placing cameras on as many trees and as many light posts as they could find.   And so they were capturing UAPs on camera.   And one UAP sorted out on the left side of the camera as a bulb light.  

By the time it made it from the far left to the middle,   it had contorted itself into a plane.   And so they're capturing this in real time.   Then by the time they get in, it's a plane.   So this, again, this this kind of leans into the idea that   obviously, it's the observer effect. No doubt. Yeah. But but what disturbs me the most is, again, that   it doesn't just know what we believe in. The archetypes, it leans into and out of, but it knows what we would find worthy of believing in  

[00:19:29] Unknown:

to where I believe is a big thing.  

[00:19:33] Unknown:

There we go. There we go. Right? It's almost like   okay. Let me say this. When I was in the UK, you know, I gave a lecture and everything, and I I was talking to this this individual.   And,   he had never heard of my research or probably even me. And so I'm like, okay. So a lot of stuff is fresh. So I went down to some of the the basics, you know, the research I was doing years ago. I was trying to construct this this theory.   And   by the time   I was able to to articulate it,   I'm watching his eyes,   and he got it. And when he got it, conversation's over.   I mean, it was, hey. Hey. Look. You know, how you doing? How you doing? And he was, wait a wait a minute. Okay. Now we're getting it. And so there are versions of reality that are manufactured,   constructed   by this intelligence to cause us to think this is real,   and it's not. Or at the very the very manifestation of it is not at all what's present. And so what do I mean? Just because it is the most visible   doesn't mean it's the most present. Just then right? Just just because that's what we   Yeah.  

Right? Oh, well, that's that's what it is. No. That's the most perceivable   to our senses,   and yet there's something beyond beyond that manifestation   that is targeting us.   And this is why it's so crazy to think about. But in times past, we we kind of built, not us, but you have followed geology. You know, built our our research on what is discernible, what immediately   meets the eye, what we could touch, and, okay, I sensed this. And that's fine.   But the phenomenon   hacked our belief system to the point that it realized that it doesn't need to hide from us to hide from us.   It can manifest   as something it was strange.  

Because what kind of a species does that? If it wanted to hide, it would. It would just never be discernible.   No. This will walk right up to you, make eye contact. Right. But because of the the the because of the senses it's targeting,   it circumvents   our ability   to define who they are,   what their intentions are with us.   And so there's almost like when it is present with us and when it wants to manifest,   it's not what it truly is.   It's it's, again, it's a mask. It's an archetype.   And so right now, what I'm more interested in than anything else is vetting them.   Because,   again,   if the phenomenon has been   to us, but even in a manifestation,   there are times it just skirts around   our abilities   to to not just interrogate them.  

Right? But and and I don't wanna ramble, but let me let me dive into this this little rabbit hole too. I think that it's not just covering its bases. It's covering its faces   because there are bits of the new mask that are made up from the older ones.  

[00:22:37] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:22:39] Unknown:

And so   within this paradigm, it's like, okay. Take this archetype off. Take this belief system off. What are you in the truest source of your existence?   Right. And I don't know that we'll ever know that.   Because, you know, again,   to to do that go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. It's it's not only saying that,  

[00:23:02] Unknown:

the manifest   manifestation, your own belief system about when you really want to believe in something or when you see something like on a bonfire, you're with some friends hanging around, and you see something going by, and you don't know what it is. And someone said, oh, that's a fox. And someone said, oh, that's a dog or whatever. You know? Everybody has his own perspective of what they saw. But with that comes also with your own thoughts. What do you want to see? What do you want to believe?   The other thing I'm,   very interesting is   what does could it have to do something with your own openness   to willing to see these?  

Maybe it's it's like,   the spectrum of light and the spectrum of our eyesight that if we manifest and if we are opening our chakras or 3rd eye, that maybe we can see more of the spectrum so we can see these entities   better, and they can communicate better   through us because we are   more energy or you know?  

[00:24:09] Unknown:

Right. Yes. And this gets back into the initiatory practices.   You know, I've said this before. I'll say it again that the occult is not a bug in the phenomenon. It's a feature.   It's one of the more preferred ways of communication between us and this intelligence.   And so that's where as of late I've been focusing on that interconnectivity and saying, okay, how did our ancestors perceive them? And Mhmm.   Right?   Mhmm. Right? What are they?   Are they are they themselves portals in which the phenomenon can manipulate consciousness and then use that, not as the driver, but as the vehicle Uh-huh. To where now they have the immortal portal   to to manifest in this dimension. This is what the college leaders researching,   just, you know, the host of government officials.  

But   what I'm doing now is kind of looking at the layers, these sedimentary layers of falsified   deceptions.   They've been giving us spoon feeding us throughout   history.   And so as far as I can tell,   our ancestors   were first told by the phenomenon   that they   were deceased loved ones.   Mhmm.   And so if you look at the funerary rights in Mesopotamia   and Syria,   you see that the first altars were built to them.   And somewhere within that cultivated relationship,   they gave our ancestors   information, insights into another world.   And so from the dawning   first manifestations,   there was the altar. There was the cultivating   of a relationship   where you give me something, and I will give you something in return.  

And so what's most alarming to me about this is is regardless   of any postulations,   any theories, hypothesis.   If we go back to the root system of the phenomenon   in recorded history, that's where it began.  

[00:26:05] Unknown:

Right.   So We can't touch base or Without when that was.  

[00:26:11] Unknown:

Well, yeah. So I'm leaning towards the very first death, but we can't record that, and I can't prove that. Right? But, but, I mean, we're looking at the the early and light iron ages.   I mean, in the old testament for those those, bibliophiles out there. Right? The old testament   times, antiquity where I shouldn't say times, the old testament period   where something was present,   and   it masqueraded   as angels,   demons,   deities,   demon gods, and then ancestors.   And so if you look at their funerary rights, especially even the Catamua inscription that was,   dug up in 2,008.  

Yeah. Okay. I'm dying. My soul is going to be inside an image of me. Mhmm.   Now we're getting the necrotetics.   My consciousness   is going to leave this biological avatar,   and it's going into another   image of me. And so now you have the apparition possessing   something that looked just like the body, but it's different a little bit. But it looks like   what they just left. And so it was in that   that framework that you suddenly have the emergence   of conjuring   into where they gave us ladders made of ladders. Here's what I want you to do. Mhmm. Mhmm.   Why am I doing this? I don't know. I feel like it's downloads. Right? I'm gonna go out into the certain location and geographical   area in Syria, I'm gonna do a, b, and c. Where did you get that information?  

Well, it came through me. And so then we see and I'm I'm telling you, to me, it's like the overlords. Right? That's the only term I have right now.   Ambassadors of the protointelligence,   but you see them seeking   community,   communication.   And from that moment, you start seeing the emergence of sacrifices,   altars,   blood ritual   Mhmm. Sex magic.   Right? And in the incantations,   that was then or incarnations.   And so here's my point. Regardless of the masquerades,   masquerading masks they've employed,   there is a base note at the root of the phenomenon that's interreligious across cultural. Regardless   of what we want from it, there are certain things they want from us.  

And it's both   initiatory,   and it's communal,   even the God of the Bible, if you wanna go there. And some people are gonna watch this, like, okay. We're waiting for Nathaniel to touch on this.   It's the same methodology.   Right?   Bring me an altar. Go to a high place.   And so at this point in my research,   I'm asking myself,   what is it? If it is not purely demonic in the sense of, you know, horns and hooves, if it's if we have, you know,   abandoned the ETH, the extraterrestrial,   what kind of an intelligence can use both of those as archetypes   and still be present with us in this world? Right. That that would mean we're not just talking about entities flying around in spacecrafts   or, you know, it No. No. No. It's Something is different, and it's very wrong here. It it looks like,  

[00:29:26] Unknown:

I picture it like   the ether, the the something that you can see, but it's still there.   And maybe it's like   sometimes glitching, and, of course,   time doesn't exist.   Mhmm. We have a time as as as humans nowadays. Like, okay. It's it's isn't that tight. But but there are so many levels on time, and that's what you see when these,   ghost appearance or poltergeist is most of the Right.   Mostly   on one time spectrum of the day of the or year or the month, whatever,   that they're gonna shown up. So what if this hard drive of reality   or the hard drive of,   ether   is, manipulated   or maybe a little bit,   flawless,   so it glitches.  

And then we see Yeah.  

[00:30:18] Unknown:

Yes.   We see the black cat, Neil.   Yeah.   Yeah. Absolutely,   my friend. That's 100% true.   Yeah. And so what it means is okay that sometimes the reality like you said, it glitches   enough for us to notice it. Mhmm. And so then it's like, okay. Is that their intention?  

[00:30:38] Unknown:

Right. And is it is it that, they they want to be seen? Or I think Shane Jones pointed out that I think he had a,   experience where   he was doing   research in in a haunted house.   And the entity that showed up was afraid of him because he thought that he was the ghost.   So in the time layer   yeah. So   what if   well, not what if. Time doesn't exist, but when when you show up on a several on on a occasion,   pitch pointed on on a minute, on a second, on on that day, there in that moment,   and   you see something like, oh, that's let's say it goes for example.   What that ghost sees in his   time and his dimension,   you Right. As a ghost.  



[00:31:35] Unknown:

That's actually yeah. It's weird.   Andrea Perron mentioned that one time.   She said that, she experienced that same manifestation   at the conjuring ounce,   which, you know, there are some people that would say, okay. Well, I don't believe in this encounter or I discount this experience. That's fine until you have a 1,000,000 others or a 1,000 others that come and substantiate it. Like, that happened to me. You can call this person crazy, but I know I'm not crazy. And yeah.   So but there is there are glitches, and that's what the per perhaps the strangest thing about all of this   is   that if the phenomenon can con construct or or create physiological constructs,   if in times past we've made eye contact with it, but didn't know what it was   Mhmm. Interacting with us on a personal basis,   then it's like, okay. Well, then how much power over reality   does this have?  

And this, again, this gets back into the portion of our existence that they're targeting. I mean, if you're if we're dealing with a species where it's a cognitive interface interfacing with us and but they can also   monitor our belief system.   I'm talking like I had   a the experience I was working with where the manifestation occurred when she was a kid. So the entity manifested, and I think I probably told you this last time, where, you know, it's her favorite cartoon. And so, yeah, okay, fine. My favorite cartoon. Everything's kosher. Everything's good. You know, she go goes along with the entity and and its intentions. Then later on, she grows up, but then they manifest again as the same cartoon character.   And so you see where sometimes the program lags.  

And you you it's fascinating because it had to improvise.   Uh-huh. And when it improvise, this experience said that it started moving its eyes. Now this, again, this is freaky.   This is   this is why I'm I'm not satisfied with the ETH   or the demonological   approach, whatever.   Something's very wrong about all this because it started using its eyes to measure her belief   in its image.   You know what that sounds like? It sounds like the root system,   the dawning first breaths of idolatry.   Oh. Believing in the image. And by believing in the image, it creates, and it it opens a portal   for manifestation.  

Right. I mean,   going into these case studies, especially with an incubi succubi literature, over, over, and over again is replete the same behavioral pattern   manifesting   as something.   And then it wasn't just okay. The experience witnesses the cognitive   interface,   but the experience or had to believe in it.   And then from believing in it, then it was almost like the phenomenon   stepped into the role,   and it was permissive will.   So this is the symbiotic relationship that I'm doing my best to articulate as of late. It's like,   okay. What exactly are we dealing with? What kind of a species would traverse   light years   and then test our belief in the image it's manifesting as.  

Let let me go down this rabbit hole. This is why I believe   that the Vatican has come forward   with a a kind of redefined   series of principles,   how to test apparitions.   Why?   From my perspective, my friend, I 100% believe that was a part of disclosure.   Because if the phenomenon can have a conversation with you without you knowing   who you're talking to,   now it can start to use an employee revisionist history where it can now redefine   doctrine.   Mhmm. It can actually redefine tradition   and take centuries   of teachings   of mystical   tradition.  

And then kind of tilted its way.   Uh-huh.   Uh-huh. Without our ability to fit in. So the Vatican is saying, listen. Not everything that appears love and light is, number 2, not everything that appears as an angel is,   which believe it or not, it it's kind of landing right in our lap. It's kind of   right in our our wheelhouse right now. Right.   But   I hope this makes sense, man. Yeah. So somewhere in this belief system,   it it it   causes me to believe   I should say that.   Number 1, that   it's more centered around idolatry and antiquity   Oh.  

Than some would like it to be. And   just like this intelligence did in the Levant,   it's authoring its own mythology,   covering its faces,   wiping memories,   and perhaps   when it doesn't wanna be seen, it isn't. But even when it does want to be witnessed,   can we trust what we're seeing?  

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Yeah.   That's a good one.  

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Well, that one almost got me out of the whole field.   It's like, what's the point?  

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Yeah.   Yeah. But but but,   the the more you the more questions that you   get answers to,   the more questions that you have. Right? The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.   Right. And, especially, I I know how how old is it,   like,   ufology,   demonology?   Is is it something, like,   developed the last couple of centuries, or is it is it, like, 1,000 of years old that people were fascinated with that? Well, I mean, mononeurophology  

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started in, like,   the late fifties.   Right. As we know it yeah. In terms of their and I may be wrong on that specific   date,   but in terms of MUFON   and,   congregation   of researchers coming together and seeing, okay. We're gonna create a group.   But it here's the problem, though. I mean, if we're looking okay. Let's go back to some of these case studies. We have pilots now   that are coming forward   saying that   they're witnessing   crafts that are not physical.   Uh-huh. They're not.   There is footage,   and Steve Maris shared this in one of his lectures. It's incredible.   Where it is either our government or his,   They had these UFOs in the sky, lights.  

They shot missiles at them. And when they the missile hit them,   the   came back together again.   The UFO. The missiles went through them.   They   dematerialized,   and they materialized back to the same exact   shape they were before.   One one diver came through, and said that   they were investigating the ocean floor, and they turned, and they saw a UFO   with occupants on the outside   in the ocean   trying to fix the UFO.   So,   again,   this is why I'm leaning more towards the gnostic view   of the phenomenon   because   I think we have been so convinced that an invasion   is,   you know, biological avatars landing on the White House lawn. I don't think we were prepared   for a parasitic species to invade   reality.  



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Oh, yeah.  

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Zooming in to the very fabric of existence   and then placing themselves into that, carving out space   time, and then showing up.  

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This is Could it be a life form   that the things that we see   aren't the things that we see, but it's a life form?   Like,   when you   first first in your in your life see a lizard, then you wanna,   take him by his tail, and all of a sudden, the tail is gone and he runs off. Or, like, when you chop off chicken's head that is gonna run off? You know, that it's like a life form instead of something that we think we see.  

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Yes.   Well, I'm leaning towards the live form of something. But then again, I mean, if these if these are like, Nigel Turner   had posited   that   that,   these were biological avatars, but that they were   almost   like ambassadors,   robots   of another   another or another   civilization,   but that civilization died off. And so now they don't know what else to do. They just do what they've always been doing. That's one theory.   But getting down to the brass tacks of it, yeah, it does seem like they are   not just   not just manipulating   our perceptions,   but   but lying to us in the sense that okay, yeah, To invade us, they have to shoot planes down. Mhmm.  

Right? They're bleed they're they're they're bleeding and leaning into that seventies or even fifties narrative of of of invasion. No. But if this has invaded reality itself,   like I said,   to where   we're driving down the road and we see something and we think that   belongs   Mhmm. Then it doesn't. It doesn't. That's not a car. That's not a plane. That's not a person.   It's the phenomenon.   Right. It is an extension of this intelligence that is coexisting with us. This is why I also believe the government knows this, and that's why the hybridization you know, the hybridization program never really did work on me because I'm like, okay.   What? Right? I'm a starseed. Okay. Tell me how you're forgive me. People People don't watch this. What do you mean? I'm not, like, poo pooing anything or anybody specifically.  

Mhmm. I'm seeing that   the hybridization program is a little bit more too is a little bit too tangible.   Uh-huh. You know, when people like Nick Redfern and other researchers specifically in our government, when they've been visited by these entities,   it was quite literally   materializing and dematerializing at will,   which,   again, takes all of our notions of physics, just shatters them,   snaps them in half.   This is why I'm seeing that if an intelligence has the capability to string us along through 1000 of years,   you know, constantly incarnating into different archetypes,   That would make sense as to why. It's not just outside of the room. It's outside of the house.  

It is   yeah. So that's why I'm I'm leaning more to the simulation theory.  

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And   if you take your mind that,   well, scientists say, like,   3   quarter of the earth is water,   and we discovered about 5% of that.   Well, first of all, you don't know what 5% is if you don't know what 100% is. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You can't quantify that. Right? No. Exactly. And if you see, like, some species, like some octopus can   hide themselves with colors like a chameleon,   but also with, adapting into the environment.   What I wanna point out with that is that   maybe we   think that we are superior in our nature because we have thoughts and we can talk to each other.   Of course, animals communicate with each other too, but you don't have thoughts. Like, a bunny   doesn't have a thought, like or emotions like, oh, shit. That bunny is screwing that bunny, so I gotta find another bunny. You know, with the stuff like that. Yeah. It starts to scare. Yeah.  

Exactly. But rest has a look. Maybe Bugs Bunny does that, but it's a it's it's a character. Right? Was like Rick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's way different. Right. But the thing is,   maybe there are other life forms   on this planet   Mhmm. That   are   not been shown yet to humans or maybe now that we are more people and with more recording devices.   Let's say 20   years ago,   almost no one had a telephone that they could rec record or make a picture.   And even on the pictures on on 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago,   you saw some things popping up that you couldn't see with your naked eye. So the question is,   is our   eyesight so   advanced or maybe so   little advanced   compared to the things that we have nowadays when when even the Mandela effect is something that's like a timeline we go through that all of a sudden, all of the the monocular guy for the the binoculars of the the monopoly guy are gone. You know? Just like and Berenstain and Berenstain.  

Just like, what   the you know, there are so many things we can't explain, but still they are there.  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're present lip and absent from.   And it's possible that   what we are researching   in its entirety,   right, is just what they want us to know,   the direction they want us to go.   And so this is why I consider just hanging up my hat   and just   leaving it entirely is because,   you know,   there's,   we we we have so many blind spots as a species.   So many of   them. And, yeah, when these beings manifest,   I mean, we're talking about entire families being placed in suspended animation.   They had no choice.   Bette Luca, when they walked through her door of her house, she turned around and her entire family.   Right? Again, we've gotta put ourselves in their position.  

Believe in God.   Right? They had everything you we would ever consider   to be religious. Everything was in place. They allegedly had free will.   Mhmm. Everything that made them a human was there,   and yet they were statues.   And they were there present presenting themselves. Hey. Hey. How are you doing, Betty?   Right? And this this is almost like Westworld   wherein, yeah, everybody's   paused.   Right. They will not remember this.  

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Like the Black.   Like   Yeah. Well, all all the stuff that you see that that they are pointing out in movies.   And, of course, they have to tell something,   like, oh, we told you so.   Yeah.   And   and even total recall that that, you know, with Arnold Schwarzenegger, he goes through other planets and stuff like that. But there's so many things coming out know nowadays that you just like, oh, wait a minute. We were talking about that 10 years ago, but that was a conspiracy. And now all of a sudden, they make a movie movie out of it. So Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah.   The powers,   the between air hooks,   they are fascinated by the thing that,   maybe they know and they like it that we don't know. But they give us, like, breadcrumbs   calling us stupid names like conspiracy theories and stuff like that. I'm a critical thinker.  

And when I'm listening to topics like you you talk about, Nathaniel,   these are something that that's fascinating. It's interesting. It's something like, okay. What what about if you just like we did the last time, you know,   feed each other on the topic. So, you know, you you go further with the steps. But I can imagine when you   into this topic   that you're quite isolated from all of reality and all of social context because a lot of people don't want to dig into that or don't even   grab just like a little bit what you're doing.   Right?  



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Yeah. Absolutely, my friend. And there have been times when I've   and this is not in terms of, like, the phenomena of my level and towards me. I mean, there have certainly been those cases   in times past, but where I've stared into the abyss and looked over the edge.   And,   yeah, it's it's easy to just   Yeah. Clock out. Yeah. Go go get a job stocking shelves and never touch this again.   Because the closer we get to it,   the more we realize that   this is not reality   and that whatever they are,   they have access to our houses, our cars,   our bodies, our consciousness.  

Right?   This is something that,   the authors within antiquity,   they try to articulate,   like, specifically within idolatry. They said, okay. This is actually in Psalms.   Again, I'm not making it religious, but there there are certain ideas Yeah. There are some Right. Things touched on Yes. In some books. Thank you. Yeah. People are like, that's too religious. I'm like, okay.   Who are we building altars to? I'm sure that's not religious either. Right? Right.   Nothing to do with it. No. No, Parsons. No. But, yeah, the basically, the these authors were trying to to explain   this relationship, the symbiotic relationship between us and them. And so and even Irvin Finkle touches on this where in order to get rid of 1 demon in a haunted house, you go to an artifact of a certain metal and they pour this image into a mold.  

And they take that image,   place it in their home.   That image will scare away the other. Right. It's manifesting in the house.   And so David is trying to articulate this the only way he knew how.   And he begins the text with,   in the Hebrews, it's mind blowing,   that   an idol   molds a man.   How In the King James, right, that's a in King James version, it says that a man molds the idol, and then it explains how he does it.   It's actually in 2nd Chronicles.   So but but, anyways, what I'm what he's the author is trying to articulate here is this relationship where   long before   the man goes out and molds the image of the statue,   the entity wanting to become incarnate has already molded the imagination of that man,   projecting its image into the mind   and then using the hands and using that in that individual   to become an incarnate into this dimension.  



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So there with the with the with the things that you point out with the staff and stuff like that that There we go. Right?  

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Yes. Yes. 100%.   This this straight and it's very strange,   but it's not just that we are avatars,   and it's not just that we   are independently   creating thought forms. Mhmm. Because now this is profound.   But if we can be thought for   and,   right, and if we are, in fact, creating thought forms,   then the entity thinking for is the one shaping its own form.  

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Right?   It's making sense. Yes.   Absolutely.   And I think that also has to do with the manifestation what we talked about. Right? Right. That's symbiotic relationship. You create your own reality   by There we go. Stating it, by believing in it, by your your deepest desire, your your burning ambition to be that person or whatever you wanna be.   There we go. And the mirror tells you that you are   going to get or are being that person or not.  

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Right.   It's it's this it's this this, again, this weird paradigm of I'm thinking hold on, man. My dogs are running on that. You can edit this.   Hold on real quick. You hear that? No props. Oh my god, dude.   Hey. I'm on a show. You gotta show.   There we go.   That's all I had to do, brother.   Oh, that's it. No. I'm not gonna ask you that.   You're like you're like, dude, I've been waiting for a day and 40 minutes on you. So no. I'm just kidding. Yeah. I'm just no, dude. But, yes, this again, this   he's he's doing his best to   not just comprehend,   but to communicate   this symbiotic relationship between us and them. They may not be an extension of us   purely, but they need us to become them.  

So there is this the this   independent existence,   but then there's also this need of theirs.   Right? If they wanted to be absent with from us, then just be absent from us. You don't have to be present with, but then absent from. Right. So their their very presence in our world,   it implies a want or a need.   And what I'm trying to demonstrate today is simply that, yes, the cognitive interfaces   are deeply interwoven   into the fabric of our consciousness.   And that's why it's constant. Like, okay. Yeah. And this is can can other researchers have talked about this where, you know, if you go into a haunted house, you're a demonologist,   horns and hoes. If you're a ghost hunter, it's a ghost.  

If you're a ufologist,   and that's a theory I've been looking at, and I'm thinking at first, I'm like, I don't believe that at all. But there are times when it plucks out pieces   of us   and molds its image.   Right. And then there that's where it's coming to and coming through, and that's what some of these authors in antiquity were trying to tell us that you're not it's not just you molding that interface.   It's coming to you and through you.   Right. And I I don't I don't I know that's it's very   ambiguous, and I hate that. But  

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But it is I mean, it is what it is sometimes. Right?   And it is like   and Shane pointed out too.   If if there are   haunted houses,   there   also could be   some positive fights that are manifestating   like, oh, I hear peep you know, in in an abandoned building that you hear people talking, have drinks, have music,   like,   good things. Right? So so   and and   it's like that what I said about the hard drive that's gonna be   disconnected, reconnecting, or or showing some some some spectrum of the past or maybe the future even. Right? Because we don't know what's time anyway.   So and that that really fascinates me. And also the thought that,   Shane pointed out he he was in a abandoned haunted house with, like, a facility,   and they took 22   pieces of of, equipment with   with them.  

Mhmm. When they did that,   at night,   things happen in their house.   So it's not only the time and place,   but also and you can see that also in in witch boxes and stuff like that. What you know, when you put on the or called seals   for entities like a doll and stuff like that. Like, they they put some entity in there. Don't don't touch it again. You can see it on the in the,   Egyptian, Sarafaks, and stuff like that. When they open it up, people die and stuff like that. You can see it's a mold. It's it's a whatever, but it could be also like people want to get   this dark energy or these dark forces   into something, and you knew how to do that. Don't touch it. We buried it. And all of a sudden, 200, 400, 5000 years later,   you know, you beep beep beep with with a with a metal detector on the land, then you find a box. Oh, let's open that.  

Oh, shit. Don't.   Absolutely. Yeah. I'm gonna see a video on YouTube when I see when I see some,  

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hexagrams and pentagrams and stuff like that. Don't open up that box. Don't It's real. It's real. Yeah. It's real. These these are insights into another world,   and the power mechanism, the control mechanism often employed   by whatever these things are.   It's like they don't want us to know.   You know, like, the case study with remote viewer I had, you know, the the   should I say, alien   ritual, alien   sigils that were on his skin,   I sent those those photograph the photographic evidence to other practitioners. They didn't know what to do with it.   And, again, it was almost as if that which we were given or they were given   as mages, magi, whatever you wanna call them, they were little bits and pieces, bread crumbs.  

Right? Whatever these things are operating in,   it's completely different.   And then it's and this is where I'm at now. I'm looking I'm currently going back through fetal magic   and just   what was occurring in Mesopotamia,   what were their beliefs, and are their truths,   right,   interwoven into some of the lies they were giving us.   But what but, again, whatever we're dealing with, and this is my perspective.   And, again, people could be like, well, I'm not seeing any photographic evidence. That's fine. You know? People who wanna see my shows have probably already seen that. They're coming to see, you know, is there anything new, you know, what you're doing lately. But what I'm doing lately here is, like, okay. Whatever these are,   they   it's way different than than extraterrestrial.  

It's way different than just purely demonic.   I mean, if we start looking at the archetypes they've leaned into,   quite literally, just like I said, revising history,   we're okay. Yeah. There are horns and hooves. Next thing you know, we have a demonologist   seeing horns and hooves and haunted houses.   And so, you know, there were a group of people that came out especially within paranormal field. Oh, well, those were those were social constructs. Time out.   We look at the way these manifested.   Mhmm. Right? Those were social constructs. Yes. But they were also physiological.   To that experiencer, they actually witnessed that.  



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Right.  

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So then what are we dealing with?   We're dealing with an intelligence that can, like I said, all through its own mythology within the experience or the experience or themselves. Okay. Yeah. Oh, it must be a demon. Like   right? Was it actually a demon? Was it actually horns and hooves?   Was that actually an alien?  

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Right? Because your perceptive of the thing that you see could be completely different than what it is.  

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Yes. And it's and it's taking, like I said, portions of consciousness   in your belief system, applying it to okay. This is my interface.   So it's right. It's present with us. What's present with us? Mask.   Mask.   What's absent from us?   The source, the protointelligence.   Right. And so in that way,   it has interacted with our species   by being in the room but invisible   because it is using again, it's using religion to hide.   Oh, well, I saw it. Does it mean you saw the protointelligence?   Mhmm.   Right? It's, oh, this is making sense. And so in a way, it's like, okay. Why choose to be visible? Well, in being visible to you,   does it compromise   its identity?  

Doesn't compromise anything.   And so it's more than just manifestation,   it's a mirror.   And it's more than a mirror.   It implies that if the phenomenon is evolving according to our awareness of it, then we can only know the phenomenon to the extent that we know who.   Uh-huh.   Ourselves.   Right. This is why, my friend, we've always had this this problem in the field of week takes 2 steps, it's 5 steps ahead of us. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, yeah, for every 2, there is a 3. And so it's constantly   evolving according to why? Because it's symbiotic.   Right? I'm here. Okay. Well, I'm here then. Why? Because each and every time you move, I'm moving with you.  

Right.   It's it's weird. I know, man. I hope this   is making sense.   But   what's yeah.   It's deep. The symbiotic relationship, though, it's it's   it's always been there, and   some of the researchers know this, especially within our own government.   They're wondering why, you know, we had airships before we had spaceships. And then once we had spaceships, then we had   u UFOs and UFOs and UAPs.   Right? I mean, even within Alexander the Great in his diary, they're talking about flying shields.  

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Yeah. Why? I think there are some,   paintings from   Da Vinci with with with UFOs and and stuff like that on it. So so let me   Mhmm.   So the thing is, like, is it something that's always been there? Probably.   But how did,   these people look at it?   Right? Because you can you can say probably like, okay. Leonardo da Vinci was a great painter,   an inventor, and stuff like that. He was a mushroom. He did some crazy stuff, and then he saw some some things in the sky. He painted it. And now we   see at his,   paintings, he's just like, oh, wow. What's what's that? But we know now well, we don't know nothing, but we we we invested in much as we can, though. Yeah. As much as much we can.   But but there are several stories from the past   before Roswell   about flying sources and stuff. Eric von Daniken pointed out with,   I don't know what's called in English, but,   the book from, from Eric von Daniken,   that he thought that,   the paintings that he saw and the,   inscriptions from from from stones, like, this is an alien.  

Yeah. But what what   if they always interacted with us and we were   on a friendly base, we knew what they were. Right.   They brought us some, let's say, some knowledge and wisdom and stuff like that. Like, like the angels did in the Bible, you know, that there are some angels that gave us   makeup,  

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technology, and stuff, all that. Yeah. Yeah. That always bugged me too because it's like, well, okay. If they're all demons,   right, don't wear makeup.  

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Right.   Don't don't go to war,   but you knew how to do it. Right.  

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Oh my. That always mess with me. It's like, okay.   Yeah. You're right. And   this this whole thing, though, it confounds me. You know, and I'm I'm getting to the point now, my friend, where   it's like, okay.   What if our scientific   method   is also an extension?   Right? What what if, again, that in times past this is Collins lead research where they, you know, they have a blip on the radar. They go to it. There's nothing there. Well, it had to be physical. Why? Because they show up on radar. But where's it at?   You're passing right through it.  

Right. It should be right here,   but there's nothing here.   It's on the radar.   You'll Yeah.   It it's it's not just stretching physics. It's   it's obliterating obliterating  

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it.   What is   nowadays   concerned the the the the most fascinating   research   there is, Mon, on the topic of demonology?  

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I don't know. So we have basically   I mean, you have evangelical model with which it is Nephilim,   and,   you know, we have the study of giants,   which to me is the hardware. We don't have much study on the software.   And by the way, which is   me   too, Skip. But if we take because we take all this yeah. I know.   I'm not Yeah. I agree too, Skip. But if we take if we take all this Yeah. I know. Right? So I don't know. No. Wait a minute. Oh, no, Nathaniel. Yeah. We're looking at the. We're looking at the hybridization   program. Why couldn't this be just an   antiquated idea of AI?  

Or   consciousness. This is what I'm because I'm I'm gonna be   constructing a lecture on necronetics,   and then my second book is gonna be on necronetics, which is centered around self replication of species.   Mhmm. But if we're looking at   my current model, which it encapsulates everything,   I I'm coming from the perspective,   this is just for now, that at least some of these beings are discarnate.   And that's why   I have   located   virtually every nuance of demonology within one   esoteric right,   and that was transferring consciousness from one body to another.   Pregnation,   possession,   all of the above. That's this   you know, it's sort of placing my soul or their soul, the practitioner's soul into another fetus and then taking the fetus for its own. You wrote the letter. You you wrote the piece of paper where it wasn't in one practice. So many things came through  

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that you can't deny it that, you know  

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Yeah. It's it's like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a prescription.   You know what I mean? Okay. What is this?   What does it consist of?   Okay. All these ingredients.   Well, it's impossible. Once you combine them, what do you have? You have this. And so but and, again, that's another interconnectivity with the occult. The occult is not a bug. It's a feature. And so if we're if we're continuously looking for, you know, for science, it's okay. Scientifically, what are these? It's like, okay. Well, scientifically, what's the spirit?   Scientifically, why do they want alters?  

Those questions cannot be it, so we have to have both of them. But, anyways, now what I'm looking at, okay, is okay. It's separate applications, species. But if this is if these are discarnate, then this would be a breakaway civilization.   If they are discarnate, then this also would be a form of AI, but it's almost inverted where the body itself   Mhmm. Is artificial.   The real thing there is consciousness. I'm just toying with it at the moment. Yeah. But but the the real  

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crazy stuff nowadays is that someone programmed   like an Alexa.   For example, the AI Alexa,   like a stupid little cube   that could   learn from everything that we ask. She's gonna be on the Internet.   She's scattered all around the place. She's collecting data. And with that data, she   evolves more and more. So   when you first   ask some questions to Alexa, you didn't know what what the answer was because it took quite some time, and and it was, like, briefly, like, what color do you like or what what what's the weather gonna be? You know? Stuff like that.   But nowadays, you can if you see AI, like chat GPT and stuff like that,   it's   so mind boggling   what it can do. And especially when 2 people have   an a telephone,   and they both put up, like, chat GPT and the both their boss They start talking. Start to do it's gonna be good.  

Holy shit.   Oh, yeah. Well, what are you into? Oh, wow. I'm into,   you know, the the data system blah blah blah. And it's still like, woah. This is mind boggling.   But because we   and coming back to your point, which you said Mhmm.   What if there are,   let's say entities or creatures   that   know how   to   get our energy, get our knowledge via these things that are much more advanced than we are because we think we're so superior,   but we're not. We're just species.   Right? Mhmm. I mean,   we don't compare each other to animals, although we are just one species of animals walking around, but we want to define ourselves as humans. Oh, we're separate from all the things. But everything   on this Earth, flora and fauna has a way, a purpose,   and a surviving mechanism.  

A lot of things do not have emotions.   Although, I think, like, trees and and mushrooms and stuff like that, they have some consciousness   just like we have. But because we can think and we can speak, we think we're superior to them. But that makes no sense to me. Because when you think about that,   you cut   off so many branches of   what could be possible   about other creatures, about other creations   of nature   that maybe we're just like just like the light spectrum. We're just in the middle.   Right? And you got them,   several   plants and   and and animals that that come before us and some that are much more advanced, like some,   octopus.  

I mean, these are fascinating creatures.  

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Oh, yeah. I think we had a conversation about that a while ago.   Right? Where it could just change colors and blend in with its environment. Yeah. What is that? You're looking at it. You are,   but you're not seeing it. Exactly.   Crazy. You're seeing it. It's it's it's so it's weird. You know? It's a paradox.   But,   yeah. So I'll tell you what I'm doing lately, and this is   new   research,   if that's cool. Because it's kinda Yes. Please. Yes. Along the lines of what we're doing. So if we're going back into antiquity,   there was this self replication of species constantly.  

And we can look at it through various lenses, definitely hybridization, all of that.   But   when you go into   the occult   practices,   this is coming from,   just various demonologies. 1 of Bernard Gordon.   But anyways,   you had the practitioner, and she was called the Baal Obe.   That was the working title of a necromancer   in Mesopotamia,   baalov.   All of them. Pronounced ob, ob.   And   this phenomenon   consisted of an avatar person   where   usually it was a female. She would be given   a insights   into   this individual   that's communicating with her. So you like, okay, Rob. We'll be talking. Okay. This is so and so. I'm getting an impression. Right?   So I'd be talking to you. Mhmm. And so that was one definition   of the old.  

That was the medium,   the person, the medium. Right. That's one definition.   The second definition   is the ancestor.   She's with   the ancestral   yes. Themselves.   So first, it's the the the medium   the ancestor is communicating to and through.   Uh-huh.   Then the second definition is the entity itself.   The third definition, my friend, is the material   image   of the entity.   Right.   So in one concept, you have the medium,   which is the instrumentation  

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Mhmm.  

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Amplifying the voice. Right. Then you have the possessing entity,   which is the actual entity.   Right. And then you have the material image of the entity's apparition.   Now   I found that.   I combined that with what I realized and kind of sought out with in respect to,   what is it? The pocket for that jog where it was it was making bodies in the its own image. Right? Mhmm. And then possessing them.   I am  

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What's happening with it?   You saw that?  

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What was that?  

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I saw our light works,   fireworks going after   you you were just, like, blended out and fireworks started when you started Oh,  

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Zoom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Celebrate and all that weird stuff. I don't know. We're gonna see it on a video. It's like Oh, no, man. That's weird. But   a lot of times within demonology,   not even I, but we in the field, we always think okay that that that grandpa's demons are today's demons or at least that intelligence and antiquity. Oh, okay. It's doing the same thing now. It's not.  

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Mhmm.  

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What we're looking at now is it's it's almost   in the creation of the avatar.   It's all it's creating the medium.   In that avatar   is the medium.   You also have the possessing spirit, which is the second definition of the old,   the consciousness possessing it.   Then you have the physical body, which is the avatar itself.   So in all three definitions of the OBE, we have the hybridization   program.   And so now you have the phenomenon   facilitating its own disability of being. I have an avatar   that I can possess like the medium in antiquity.   Does it make it sense? It's all of the above.  

And so we're thinking and now we have a model currently where we say, okay, it's AI. That is in a sense.   But what we've done, we've allowed   we've allowed the phenomenon to indoctrinate us. Okay. Well, it's purely oh my god. It's paying all that. What if this is a form of AI?   Where yes. And and, again, the instrumentation   is the material   body itself.   Right.   And so, like, okay. If we look at a robot, what do we have? We have the material avatar,   the image of the consciousness   possessing it. Mhmm.   And so what I'm suggesting here is that   this the occult connection   evolved   into where in times past it was. I'm I'm possessing a woman or another body to communicate.  

But in the in the creating of its own fetal tissue, in the embryonic   possession  

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Mhmm.  

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It has its own medium.   It's it has its own material image,   and it is, in fact, that ancestor   you're witnessing   all in one body.   Oh.   And so this is why I believe that that's what they were trying to tell us, our ancestors. We need these experience. Okay. Look. Yeah. We're in the 1st century. Even before that, yeah, we're in later on age, but what they were trying to teach us today is exactly what we're witnessing in real time. Mhmm.   It's not it it's not iRobot. It's not Neuralink in a sense.   It's literally whatever the species is, it seems like that a little bit, but it's literally the replication of its own existence.  

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Mhmm.  

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It all bodied up in one. Yeah. It's the ancestor that's the possessing entity. Yeah. Is it the biological avatar? Absolutely.   But it's also amplifying   that entity's ability to communicate.   Matter of fact, in antiquity, specifically within Syria, so the Saint Paul St. Clair show a while ago, is that   they were being visited by what were called I idols   or actually entities that they made idols after.   And   now we're getting the ancestor. Right?   And this is in the same corner of Syria that they're building altars. It's it's crazy stuff. But, essentially, what happened was they were being visited by a species   that had told these practitioners that we're your ancestors.  

Uh-huh. And so when remember when I told you about statues? Yeah. Right? Molding the mind of the man before the man molded the image.   Yes. Yes. This is another case. Another case of this where they created I idols.   They begin to worship them. Now what do these I Idols look like?   Large eyes,   no mouths, and no ears.   Why it see where I'm going? It's the same this is the hybridization program of the Vont. Right. It's the ancestral worship, ancestral worship.   All of it's present. But, anyways, it's so anthropologists got a hold of these figurines. They're like, okay. What what are they? And so they had a conference, and they all agreed on this fact. This is incredible.   That the reason these individuals   made the images without noses, mouths, or eyes or ears rather is because of the way they communicated.  

They communicated   by virtue of telepathy.   They communicated with the eye. No. Don't need them.   So within that pocket, not just in that pocket of the world,   but literally in the same time frame,   We have the hybridization   pro coming in where we have, okay, I'm self replicating through the wounds of women.   Right? And and and if infants were they're taking are are the material image   of the entity possessing them.   Now we know why we're in talking to them even through abduction accounts. They don't speak. They communicate.   Even through the biological avatar.  

Why? Where does this all come from? Does it make it sense? Hope this is.  

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I'm rattling in my brain now because I got so much information,   and it makes so much sense.  

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That's what they're doing. Yeah.  

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Why   why does it show up everywhere when you're having about   or reductions or whatever?   You know?   And, of course, there are some programming.   Right?   If you Right.   There is some program, but I think also there are other species that   have been   discovered already or they showed themselves,   but they wanna be rest in they wanna be left,   alone.   They're more powerful than us. They're living on the same Earth. It it don't come from galaxies or whatever. That's well, that's my belief system. Right?   Because we we   I was I was flying to the to America the other day. I was I was going to Los Angeles for the first time in my life to America.   Cool. And I flew 11 hours.  

Probably your flight was also, like, 11 hours to to It's stop 9. About 9. Yeah. So so you you're going across   America and then long distances   of water.  

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Mhmm.  

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Everybody knows the story of Atlantis.   Well, you know, it it's been it was there. It it we don't don't know where it is, whatever.   Well,   why couldn't there be   species   that survive   within water   and have, like, vast cities on the water, and they can breathe there. Or maybe there is like a,   like, if you have a   a mug and you put it upside down and you put it into the water, you have air   under it, and you can dive into it.   Right? So there are so many possibilities about things that we just don't know. And when you see the flight routes are all the same   and the shipping routes also. So everything that's gonna be,   let's say, 5 miles from that route,   We don't  

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know. Right.  

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I mean, it makes no sense for,   for Google to to to hire a a plane and to make pictures out of that, and probably they don't want to.   And if they find something that I mean, there are   very talented people with,   Photoshop and stuff like that. Just like, okay. Don't point it out. No. Antarctica is also white, completely white. Doesn't make any sense, but, you know, we just want to paint it white.   Yeah. It's crazy stuff.   And Yeah. You're right.   And it's it it it always,   especially   when you're just like me, ADHD, you you dig into a topic just, oh, I wanna know more. You know? And you're gonna   and,   Yeah. The more you know,   the the more the less you know, the more answers you have. But but, yeah, you're gonna touch base on on some things like, okay. The the this is this. This is that. Oh, disconnects with that what I saw the other day. Disconnect from that thing from the book.  

Whatever.   But   to think that   the thing yeah. What do we think? Right? Our thoughts are so powerful. So that would when we hopped on this podcast, the the thoughts of thinking that   something is their reality   or maybe some entity   wants to show himself with his belief system like he's gonna manifest that throughout his way of manifestation.  

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Correct. Correct. Correct. Could show up.  

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Yes. And it's limitless.   It's limitless.   Yeah. We're not the sum of the food chain. Yeah. Especially when you see that, okay. We we discover, like, 5% of, of the oceans. Okay. 3rd.   How many discovered did did we discover from the land?   If you look at China,   right, it's such a huge country, like Asia in total. On the on the coastline. There are some spaces. There are some lands. You can go there because a plane, you can flow over flew flow   fly   over   it,   but if   you can flow over flew flow   fly over it. But if you're gonna be dropped there, you're gonna be you know, that that's it. We're gonna   Mhmm. Helicopter,   it's it's gonna take too long to get there and to get back.  

You know, stuff like that that that we do know Undiscovered.   Yeah. Right. So if you we're talking about demons. We're talking about ghosts.   But, also, there are some, like, the dark man,   sasquatch.   But these are entities that are real.   Right? They they are,   not like a physical form that they can show up   in your house just like that.   What's your take take on that that there are species that we we we Oh,  

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I certainly think that there are undiscovered species out there.   Definitely.   My concern again, this gets back into   another   branch of the phenomenon where   there's only in my mind, there's   3 possibilities, but mainly 2, either that these actually exist in and of themselves,   they are real, tangible,   material entities,   or that these are   incarnations   of a control mechanism employed by the phenomenon   to where we are.   You're gonna get 12 pack after this one, buddy. You're like, what? Oh, yeah.   Talk to where right? We and I've done this in hunting before where I step over a log and there's a snake underneath.   I didn't know it was there.  

And so, you know, it's protecting his territory. Get out. And the reason I suggest that is sometimes the case is because of the case with both, Axelrod in the Skinwalker Ranch,   where he's from the Pentagon. He's investigating,   just hanging out, observing more than anything. And he gets in his car on the way home. You need to get home quicker, baby. Why? Because.   Right? There's a dog man   outside of our window staring at us and the kids.   That either that's an entity that's even if it was real,   the the sequence of events there is alarming.   Yeah.  

So where the phenomenon said, okay, if you're coming into my personal space, guess what I'm going to do with yours?   Right. And so this   this again is pointing me in a in a direction   where it's like, okay,   Was that just another physiological construct? Now here's what's even more important. What you know, we can go down the rabbit hole about what the definition of a physiological construct is. But more importantly, perhaps, is that when they went to investigate, it had carved its claws   into the tree,   but then dematerialized   to nothing.  

So people don't believe me when I say, okay. Yes. The invasion,   it's not just okay. Yeah. They're here and   no. They're inverting reality.  

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Right.   I, you and you got to and, especially nowadays, we have to be so careful what they're gonna put out, what's the truth. Yeah. Even when you're gonna investigate it.   And   there there's so many things going on   and so many timelines that cross, so many dimensions that are opened or portals or whatever you're gonna call it.   But also a lot of sightings like the same things that are showing up or species that we do not know that are or scared or just want to attack you because they wanna protect their family or themselves.   Like, we would do   if we would walk in the forest and some something comes up,   you know?  



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You're right. You're right. And so in some ways, we can kind of   understand that, like I said, that control mechanism.   But this   opened my mind to a possible   connection here,   and that is that our ancestors   is even back then again, later in early later in these,   they didn't have hauntology.   Right? They didn't have demonology.   Never know you then all we didn't have, you know, there was no move on. They didn't go to a headquarters or a conference and dap it up. Hey, brother. Let's get a drink and talk shop. Mhmm. No. They just had the interface between them in whatever was seeking to become incarnate.   That's it.  

Maybe the church as as when they have some questions because the church had all the answers to the question. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Well yeah. And I'm I'm speaking like in the Levant, like in Mesopotamia. Right? The but, yeah, you're right. You're right. It's it's weird. But my point here is that, yeah, there wasn't some kind of codified law. It was just I'm experiencing this. I'm gonna write down what I experienced. Okay. It is what it is. And so their idea of this intelligence was vastly different than ours. They did not see ghosts   as a separate phenomenon.  



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Right. They they just saw what they saw, and it was there. It was part of their reality.   Correct. With without saying or defining it like, oh, that was a bird. No. No. That was a squirrel that was jumping branches. Or was it was it something like,   maybe a mouse or or rat? You know? You you can Right.   Just like you set with the plane and when when you see it on the camera, it's it's like a TikTok, for example, but but then Mhmm.   All of a sudden, it turned out like a plane. But what is the plane? What's the drone? What's the glider? What there are so many questions   from your own perspective that you have to answer yourself, first of all. Oh, yeah.  

And second of all, what is gonna be the reality?  

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Because that's Oh, yeah. It like, yeah. Like you said earlier, you said it very aptly. It's yeah. I mean,   you pull on one string,   yet it all unravels.   But my point here, man, is this kind of blew my mind because I'm like, oh my oh my god. Yeah. It diversified its intelligence in our eyes.   Why?   Because we would think, okay. Yeah. It's not a branch from the same tree. These aren't separate branches from the same tree. No. It's an entirely different forest.   But that's what we were taught to believe by this phenomenon.   But our ancestors   believe that if they did not obey   these entities,   that these entities would turn to malevolent ghosts and haunt them. Now what does that mean?  

That means it's a single source,   a singular intelligence,   a proto   intelligence is the word I've been employing as of late. But my point here is is this.   There was no this or that. It was not a a a dichotomy. It was a duality,   and they believe that the ontology as   a field   was just another arm,   and it was a disciplinary   action   of weaponized   apparitions   employed by a phenomenon that said, listen. If you don't meet me on this hilltop and if you don't give me this sacrifice, if you don't give me a food offering,   instead of saying, okay. Yeah. Well, there will be no. I'm going to become this demon.  

Right. The right? And so this is the the the the structuring   and social conditioning. This phenomenon put our ancestors through. This this is gonna kinda circle back. This is why when people say, okay. Well, yeah, that's this   is social construct. You're right. You're right.   That was inspired by what?   It was inspired.   This kind of interconnects too with, with   the dog man.   Right? Are the entities in the right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They were there, but why were they there?   Well, our ancestors wrote in rituals about them. This is what we saw.   Uh-huh. And so this was a manifestation   of the protointelligence   designed to condition them   back into obedience and worship.  

Not separate phenomenon,   not separate intelligences.   1.  

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Right.   And you see that with all myths. You know, we we touched base on that on on the on the first episode about the Aboriginals,   the Native Americans,   the native Indians that I don't know what's the real word that you have to pronounce nowadays because every single culture or everything, they they every single day,   they have another pronounce. But you know what I mean with the, the native Americans.   Correct. They all had stories that came from,   from ancestor to the child's to to to their   from from from,   age to age. They talked about myths and stuff like that. And that's   really   interesting for me. Like, the myths   that's been told, like, if it's gonna be in Norway, if it's gonna be in Africa, it doesn't matter where you are. There are still some tribes and still some cultures that are   telling something   that their ancestors   has been,   encountered.  

Right.   And when we   I think we are living in, like, 120 years now. Like, oh, we we we have now the   industrial revolution, so we wanna we wanna touch base on everything so we we can make it clear scientifically   what it is. Right?   Or we make things or what we don't know, we're gonna figure it out.   But how many things can't we figure out? Even if we have all the signed programs, all the money, all the whatever,   some things you just can't,   think about. So   when   for for example, in America, when the the the white man came across the sea and brought us pain in misery, our maiden,   When the Indians were   taken off their land,   also the heritage of all the things that they did for centuries was there.  

And Right. Haunted things that are there   can be related to the stories they still tell to their children. Absolutely.   Absolutely.   And that's another,   fascinating fact. Like, okay.   We have something like, okay. Did they did   they say this and that is like a phenomena?   But all of a sudden, it occurs to be   something that's   opening itself or or connects with us, communicates   with us,   shows itself   to us in several times, and   it's  

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Yeah. Yeah. The so, yeah,   they as well as, our ancestors,   basically, at a certain point in history,   there were there was no way to communicate   outside of what's called mythopoic thought where, yeah, these are stories, but they're vehicles of meaning.   Right? And so people okay. They're just myths.   They are.   But within the mythological   narrative,   these are stories of real true experiences.  

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You know? And so we have to understand put the stamp on it like, oh, it's a myth. So it  

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it no. No. No. It it's not a myth for for nothing. Right? It's not like a story. A story you can make up. Correct. A fairy tale. Yeah. It's not a fairy tale. And and I know it's kind of a fine line between those people who probably kill me on that. But the thing is here is and I've I've been told that by many people. Oh, well, you know, you're just in mythology. Okay. That's fine. But at now, within the 21st century, the scientific method   has documented   in modernity   what they were telling us existed. Uh-huh.   Guess what? I'm gonna go back in time and start, right, retracing our footsteps. And then I'd say, okay. Yeah. We know now we can prove it scientifically.  

What were they experiencing?   And so I think that's   pretty much the cutting edge of the research now where, you know, it's not   scientific materialism.   It's it's literally a technology of consciousness.   Mhmm. And now we're now we're looking retrospectively   and saying, alright. What does history have to say about this phenomenon?   And, but that that's where I'm at. But more than anything else, it's like, now I'm now I'm leaning heavily into   researching the simulation hypothesis   and asking myself   why these beings have so much access to anything   and everything   at any time. Right.  

Because I think that   if they do have that kind of access,   and yet what they and and if and if what they want from us   is to propagate   their gospel or their tradition   or their their mythos.   And if in fact,   we are taking it to full circle. Like I said before on this other our last show,   if our leading scientists,   they're not going they're not going to NASA.   They work for NASA, but they're going out into the desert, and they're   doing exactly   what practitioners in antiquity did.   That means regardless of any theories,   hypotheses.  

Oh, yeah. Well, these are okay.   Where are they at right now?   Right.   And, yeah, socially speaking,   so that's that's what I've been researching as of late. I'm really going to be introducing   necroNetics   as a field,   and I'm creating a website. I'm creating,   I'm I'm a book already. New book. Yes. That's the second one. Yeah. That's the second one. But yeah. Because honestly speaking here, man, I I   it's almost like I stumbled upon something I didn't know was there. Like, I I just thought I was researching incubate succubi.   Mhmm. Then once I started getting in, again, like we talked about just 20 seconds ago, the mythology of it all, I realized that, yes,   this is that's present.  

And I was almost researching   2 intelligences   Uh-huh. Allegedly. I thought I was researching demonology.   And then what I realized was, okay. Yeah. There's something here that's masquerading as that,   but it's not.   And I've actually caught the phenomenon in real time doing that   where it will masquerade as an entire species or an entity or mythology.   And then once you threw away, okay, that's not factual. That's not rooted in history. Then you're face to face with whatever this is. Uh-huh.   And that's when you when I started noticing the the manipulation   that's taking place within our species.  

Right? I mean, possession to us is pregnancy, the pregnancy of them. Well, I thought it was just oh my god. You know, it's a language preference and it no. No. No. No. No. That's transient.  

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I mean, if you look at the the the,   the pregnancy of Maria and Joseph,   she was pregnant by the holy ghost, which was   not natural   Oh, oh, the conception. Yeah. So, you know, what is Jesus? Is he   you know?  

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These appear to be avatars that are   inhabited   within  

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a system.  

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Right. A   and I said this before. It's almost like an artificial habitat.   And before   one of them could exist in that habitat, they had to put on a suit   and then show up. And so then we're a we're a species within our official habitat. We see 2 character 2 characters   fighting over that habitat itself,   wearing different suits, looking at each other.   This is mind blowing. This is why, again, when you talk about the Imagio Dei in the image of,   the first mention of that was in Egyptology when it was talking about the ritual,   wherein someone would die. In order to return into this dimension, they had to have an image to possess.  

It's all this is hybridization program. This is that's what it is.   Yeah. Pure and simple. And so what they had was the image of the invisible.   Right? Again, the apparition   apparition within the biological avatar. The apparition possessing the medium.   The apparition. That's why, my friend there we go. Yeah. That's why   I was talking about the old. It's all encompassing.   It is the avatar. It is the spirit,   and it is the image of the invisible.  

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Right.   And   all the tar could   be an  

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idol. Absolutely. It's all of it. The image of the insect.  

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In the Bible, it says, don't worship an idol. Right? Absolutely. This is this is exactly what they're dealing with. And the funny thing is and the fascinating thing is I'm I'm I'm fascinating is is one of the words I have to use in this podcast because   this is so mind boggling.   When   and now now my a d g ADHD   brain kicks in. World. Because I want I want to say something like, you know,   shit. I lost train of thoughts, but that's okay. Maybe it pops up in in a few minutes. I don't know. Well  

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so yeah. So, I mean, this is why it it just   when I realized what I was looking at, I thought why   were they making   babies in their own images?   May no I mean, you know, and then I saw the possession of pregnancy aspect, and then I realized, oh my god. They're facilitating their own disability of being they're creating their own mediums.   It's it's,   so it's incredible, man, but that's a whole another show. I have to I'll have to get my notes out and really we'll we'll dive deeper to that the next show. But yes. So essentially, that's what it was. That's why when people say, okay. This has nothing to do with religion. It's like, okay. Don't tell me that. Tell them that.   Right.  

Because these are archetypes they're leaning into whether or not we want to accept them. Exactly.  

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Why is it pointed out in scripture? In in a lot of scripture, not only in the Bible, but in a lot of these things, like times   when it, you know, when,   the clay tablets and stuff like that that Yep. They pointed out, like,   so many things that we are still mind boggling out today and trying to figure it out. And we're living in the age of,   of the Internet and and some some knowledge that everyone can can gain.   So the the other aspect is just like you said, like,   152 100 years ago, our ancestors didn't have a technique. And what happened is what they saw and well, they they put it in their own in their own jack or or on The only way they could. Right. But but now we have so much hunger to know   that,   a lot of things happened for the last couple of 50 years since the Internet is around, you know, that the people find stuff.  

Even if it's gonna be, something,   from the government that   was been trying to hide for for for the people, but some hacker is just like, oh, hey. Look at this document and stuff like that. So you see that the agendas have been open folded,   but still there are so many questions about   who are   we? Who are these things, these entities that we encounter?   What is our reality? What what dimension do we have here? Some say we were living in a 2 dimensional, 3rd dimension going to the 5th. What does that mean? Is it for every single being the same, or is it some beings? Why is it that some people can paranormal things   encounters and some don't? You know, there's so many questions popping up.  

Is it like if you level up on yourself, on your chakras, or whatever   that you could open up for these things that you're gonna experience experience   these things. Like we touched on base before,   if you do, like, LSD, like psychedelics,   you see things differently than they are in your reality, whatever that reality is. Right? Because Right. What I'm staring at right now, I see that I concern myself that this my reality.  

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But is it? Oh, this is incredible. Yeah. Do so so now we're getting into   consciousness itself. Maybe be and then I don't know. People are gonna kill me for this business. Almost to creation. Right? I mean, if we look at the software and hardware relationship,   specifically within AI, you know,   AI can only ask questions   that it's aware to ask.  

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Right.  

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Aware enough, I should say, to ask.   And so within the question is built baked in the programming.   Yeah. And so this is the thing that Richard Dawkins is asking now.   You know, he's he's a   famous atheist. And in one debate, he's like, he he he admits he said that   while he doesn't believe there is a creator, he believes that it is designed   or something like that designed within us to ask   and believe in the creator.   So this   right now, we're dealing with the question of,   is it possible that this was the whole purpose of the phenomenon itself is to make us question reality?   That the reason we're having this question now.  

Right? And Neo with the black cat. Why?   In in that the right. The creation of the habitat   is facilitating,   and then it's possible something else   broke into it and wanted us to realize,   hey.   Everything is not as it seems.  

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I don't know. I'm I'm I'm just throwing that out there. Yeah. Yeah. We're just rambling our minds. But But the same thing goes with if you look at okay. Someone   programmed AI so it can   answer your questions with deep diving into the Internet. Right? But if you see, like,   a a baby,   is gonna be little steps feeding into   its consciousness   to develop the things that she Here we go. Whatever develops in her life so she can answer the questions or she can,   answer question or question some answers. Right?  

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Yes.  

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With language, with with whatever. If you see how we have been build up from a baby that can do nothing   to,   like, grown ups. We can take care of our own food. We can survive.   We can communicate   several languages.   All this stuff that that's,   you know, we think that AIs are it's just like the beginning of AI. Yeah. But we were in the beginning in the cradle of,   also.  

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So we go. Yes. Yes. How am I forming these words? Because of the language. How do I know the language?   Because I had the ability to learn. Well, how did I know to learn?   Yeah. Right? So so there are things, right, that are built into the,   I should say, the evolution of our species.   But and I'm not saying that within   the so that that that the certain context that most people place it in, you know, Darwinism. But what I'm suggesting here is that   this this is not reality   and that whatever we're dealing with   has seemingly invaded it.  

And   in order to manifest   to us,   it had to invade reality first.  

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Right.  

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Think about that. These are these are emanations and incarnations of something that had invaded   just the the very fabric   of what we know.   Everything that yeah. I mean, from a a biological   organic   standpoint   down to the atom   invasion   and then anatomically   building itself up   and then interfacing with you and I.   This is, again, this is that's why I asked the blade, man. I'm just like, alright.   You know, will I be doing this in 10 years? I don't know.   Because our government knows this. They know  

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in Will it sorry to interrupt you. Okay.   Does it depend on   the answers you get to the questions that you have about these topics?   Or is it about,   the stuff that you witnessed that   the the the vast majority of things that you come across with that can drive someone mad?   A little bit of both.   You know,  

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one of my earliest mentors told me a story about how he was invest investigating a haunting,   and, they were taking photographs. And this is back when it was just,   Polaroids.   And in real time. Click.   Alright.   There we go. Right.   And,   he asked a question. No. That's what it was. It was writing on the pictures.   And one picture said, ask me a question.   And   they said, okay.   Do you know do you know English? That's what it was.   How much of English do you know?   Because, yeah, because the original asked me a question was in old English, and they had to have to buy the readers. Like, okay. They yeah. So anyways, it's okay. Do you know English? And I said, which kind?   Right?  

And he said this is doctor Michael Lynch. And he said,   he said, do you know, like, modern English?   Hold on.   Then for 5 minutes, they're taking pictures. There's nothing on the camera. There's nothing on the pic the photo. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Finally,   yes.   And   he asked the phenomenal question. Okay. Like,   what do you do?   I'm here for you.   I've never actually shared this with anybody, man. Wow.   Yeah. What what do you do? I'm here for you. And   it was explained to him that it was like a call center,   that there was someone outside of our reality   that was monitoring   almost like on a person by person basis,   monitoring us.  

This, I mean, this gets back into some of the Collins elite research, which by the way, what is it exactly the evangelical   model?   They believe that whatever these intelligences were, they were outside of space and time and that they were in the afterlife,   Which is not necessarily the Nephilim either.   Right. I mean, people don't realize that, brother. People come to ask me that. They they'll email me like, okay. It's not. It's not definitely my hypothesis at all.   Like, the what they were con concerned with was that, again,   there were puppeteers.  

Mhmm.   Or orchestrating   events within our own lives,   leading us to believe in the illusion of control.   Some days, we would have that.   Right? Free will. We're gonna go here. We'll go eat breakfast. Boom.   And then other days, at will,   something would take place   that was designed,   employed   by those who are not outside of the room, but outside of the house.   Right.  

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It comes back a little bit to my, hypotherad   when it's not real,   a thought   that the ether is like   a consciousness and a database.   Yep. And I think there are some   you can choose to be good or evil. You you have the devil within you, and you have a godlike or an angellike within you. Mhmm. Right?   So I think when you ask the the the good question and you connect to the source   Yeah.   That makes so much sense to me. Like, okay. But what's the source? Well, the source is the ether. When you speak it out   where it's all vibrations,   frequencies.  

But when you touch the right frequency,   you can   dig into that source   and get knowledge from it like a lot of people do with manifesting. Right?   The Oh, yeah. Intention. They they get into the meditation. They even can,   astral project or or out of body experience, which I have myself.   Well, that was because I was almost dead, but, you know, it happened. So there were layers   within   my own   reality and dimension   that I could touch based on. I was I was   jiggling be   I was jiggling   between them,   and I had a choice.   And only my mind, because my my my body wasn't working at all, physics,   Only my mind and spirituality   could connect to that was there, and, you know, I got I got a question just like,   do do you wanna get back? Yes.  

Mhmm.   And then I woke up   in an ambulance.  

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Oh, yeah.   Yeah. You know, you just kind of touched on something   here.   Within the ancient   worldview,   it was never   you know, you can't connect   with the beyond.   This goes back to the idea that reality itself was hijacked.   They're they're   they're kind   of evolved   a tradition of belief,   whereas,   yes, yes, you can transcend   and and gain insights into another world that would influence ours.   But somewhere in antiquity,   there arrived   another species.   Oh. And that species was outlawed.   If you do   appeal   to the discarnate,   don't appeal to them.   Why?  

This is this again, right, this bleeds that it's kind of, yeah, bleeds into the theory that, yes, we had reality then the invasion of it by something else that   this this gets back to   Crowley's   Crowley's work   where   he he was kind of bastardizing   a Brahmin the mage, Jewish mysticism,   and   deconstructing   and reconstructing   these   these incantations.   And in a way,   even if his guttural   invocations   were accurately   uttered,   the way the incantations   themselves were structured should have never   been successful.   This is what keeps me up at night.   And   because they were   Yeah.  

Okay?   It's it's the equivalent of giving a child a a phone   and saying, here's the phone number to me.   Right?   And then beep beep beep. They mess it all up.   Right. Someone else answers the phone.   Hi. I'm Nathaniel.   And now you have the courting of the human condition to where whatever that is on the other end of the line wants to become incarnate.   It should not have worked.   It should not have worked, and yet something out there noticed   noticed the light in the distance.  

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Right. Like a receiver, antenna Yes.   Medium, all is  

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And a moth to the flame.   Here they are. What are they?   It's and this is what blows my mind. Yeah. Okay. Sure. You can do a, b, and c,   but there's something out there that answered the call.   And as far as I can tell,   it's everything.   Because it's everything, it's nothing.  

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Right. And nothing is everything.  

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We don't know what it is. No. That's its intention. It's built in, baked into   their their incarnation.   Man, I hope this made sense. We talked about a lot of stuff.  

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Yes. Yes. Oh oh, man.   Nathaniel, it was a great episode again. We we touched base on so many things.  

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But the thing is, we're,  

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I like it when we feed each other the the new things. You know? This wasn't an interview, brother. This was,   this is us drinking a beer over chicken wings. That was it. This this that that that's the Zoran production. That's how it should be, I think. Because otherwise Right. You know, when you when you touch base on your newest research, which which you did now a a few times A little bit. Mhmm. A little bit. Exactly.   But when you do that, you you,   when you jump on another podcast,   they all have the same   Nathaniel Jones.  

But now you,   you know, I hope that the listeners   agree with me that, oh, wow. You know? It's not only this little,   spectrum of what he believes or what he researched, but it goes   so beyond everything, and and you have to connect all the dots to come to a conclusion   of your own possible reality.   Yeah. And that's what I like. You know? That's what I like. And that's yeah. These are deep thoughts. These are   a lot of trouble.   We could talk about the weather, but you don't know. I know. It's foreign. Modeled also. You know? It is all programmed nowadays  

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also. So, you know I've heard that. I've heard that, brother. What's not? Yeah. It's it's getting stranger by the second. And I think that our government knows that,   you know, there are measures of control the phenomenon has over us   that they are   they're not conditional.   You know,   they're they're,   they just occur,   they happen,   and   they're nonnegotiable.   That is   would that would destroy entire world views.   Oh, yeah. And and I think that's what I know people pooh pooh on Luis Elizondo, but I think that's what he means when he says that it would be somber.   Because   if we are not in fact in a simulation,   then   we'll go down to a smaller degree here.  

Then that would mean that there are entire   life events   or   cognitive interfaces   that are   a a simulation in and of themselves, and we don't realize it. Right? My friend.   Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why'd you show up last night? That wasn't me.   Who was that? Or even the men in black.   Right? Okay. I wanna I wanna   check your, your gauges and and all that. Let me go downstairs and,   now they disappear.   Right.   So yeah. But anyways, brother, I I hope I made sense. I know I,   since I have my traumatic brain injury a few years ago, my words   aren't exactly in order, and I hate that because I'm trying to work on it. Because my brain is, like, really fast and so my mouth has to catch up in my brain,   and sometimes it doesn't work out well.  



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Oh, Matt. It's it's the same with me when I listen back to my podcast.   I was just in the beginning of podcasting and doing it in another language because I'm Dutch. Right? Mhmm. So I try to speak English.   But when I listen back, just like, oh my god. Makes no sense. Dabbling over my words. But you know what it is? It is what it is. And I think that, we put it out a great message, a great stuff to think about for the people at home   that listening to this podcast.   And, thank you for hopping on again. I I really appreciate it, man. I mean, we definitely gonna do a part 3.  

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Yeah. I would like that. It's why I can get deeper into necronetics.   I am currently now I'm structuring new vocabulary.  

[01:59:27] Unknown:

Right. Well And, it takes some time to to, you know, that you're gonna get into that, subject. Probably, you're gonna touch on some fallen angels too. Maybe that's a good one too. You know? Fallen angels and then, necromedics.  

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Why not? It's gonna be awesome, brother. I appreciate it, man. You're awesome. Thank you for working with me, buddy. Thank you. Yeah. I I appreciate you, And I'm gonna put it in the show links.  

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I got a new software, so it will be all, automatically well, a little bit more better than it was before, working on a little bit more   a little bit more better than it was before, working on a little bit more professionality.   Thank you for hopping on, brother. Have a great time.   And for all the listeners,   no matter where you are on this beautiful plain planet,   have a beautiful morning, a beautiful day, or beautiful evening.   I've been running for all my life   with a devil on my heels.   He wasn't always kind,   at night,   god show me the light.  

We see pain in the ass.   Black