Disorganized Productions "Chaos creates Harmony"

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In this episode of the Chaos creates Harmony Podcast, host Rob from Disorganized productions welcomes special guest Elisa Palchetti, an artist and owner of Beyond the Surface Art. Elisa shares her journey from being a fashion designer in Florence, Italy, to moving to Mexico and eventually the United States. She discusses her passion for art, particularly her unique use of UV reactive and glow-in-the-dark paints, which add depth and meaning to her portraits. Elisa emphasizes the importance of capturing the essence of her subjects, often finding beauty in their complexity and stories.

Elisa also opens up about her personal struggles, including overcoming addiction and finding healing through art. She shares her experiences in rehab, where she discovered tools for self-improvement and self-love, which she now incorporates into her art and life. The conversation delves into themes of self-discovery, the power of art as therapy, and the importance of living authentically. Elisa's story is one of resilience and transformation, inspiring listeners to embrace their unique paths and find beauty in their imperfections.

 "The world is beautiful with all its variety"

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Skip me branch like squirrel, baby.   What we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the law.   Welcome fellow human to the disorganized productionist podcast,   the show that fuels your spirit,   ignites your potential,   and helps you become the best version of yourself.   I'm your host, Rob,   and each episode   will embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you. Tap into your limitless potential   and conquer life's challenges.   Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human,   welcome to another episode of this organized productions.   I hope you're sitting comfortable because today, we're gonna have a special guest.  

Her name is Alisa Polcetti.   And, as the name says, she's born and raised in Italy,   And she went to Mexico. She has three children.   And all of a sudden, she went to The US Of A. She is, the owner of Beyond the Surface   Art on Instagram.   And,   she says, revealing our struggles,   finding beauty in brokenness,   healing and self love,   sharing love and spreading the compassion and kindness to make this world a better place with her art.   So please, a warm welcome   for Elisa.  

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Hi.   Thanks for having me.  

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Great to have you. So,   we just talked really, really briefly. I know that you're kinda nervous, but you don't have to be nervous. Not only these organized productions.   The only thing I have to ask you is, is this your first podcast?  

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Yes. It is.  

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Okay. So,   again,   a fellow human jumping on   these organized productions for the first time losing her virginity   on my podcast.  

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Yes. Yes.  

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Lisa,   we start very, very briefly. Pre please introduce yourself   to the audience.  

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Okay. So   I'm Elisa Palittiti.   And,   yeah, like you said, I was born and raised in Italy,   the city in Florence, the city of art.   And, I was a fashion designer there, and, I didn't like it. It was too chaotic, and,   it was just nerve wracking. So,   after my father passed,   I remember his last words. They were like, I'm gonna go to Mexico and open up an ice cream shop.   So when I was done with the with all the the messes in my life, I said, I'm gonna just go to Mexico,   not open a dive,   ice cream place, but I'm going to   paint under a palm tree and do   absolutely what I love.  



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Wow.  

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And I did do it with my well, the father of my boys opened up a dive shop, but that's another story.  

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Okay. She got three boys?  

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I have two boys   and,   seven eight year old girls.  

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Wow.   I'm all on the boys.  

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One is 17. The other one is 14. Lovely teenagers. Yes.  

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Oh, wow.   That must be a hard time for a mom.  

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Yeah. Well, you know, I did it all by myself   since the beginning, and I'm proud of it. There are three amazing human beings.   And that is my main purpose in life,   you know, to just,   you know,   teach them from my mistakes, let's say, or from my learning experiences of life   and to make them better humans better human being. Yep.  

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I think that's all, Eric can wish for.  

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Mhmm. Yes.   They're my life. Number one priority,   then comes the rest.  

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Right.   So and you you,   we're gonna deep dive a little bit into that from when it comes to the art. Right? So, yeah, you make some,   wow, mind blowing pictures,   and I saw someone on Instagram. And and guys,   girls, fellow humans that listen, please check her out on,   beyond the surface, art   on Insta. And you do,   so it's a painting, but it's also you use also the UV   reactive colors and glow in the dark. So   even at night, the painting comes to Yeah. To to show itself. Right? Yes. Yes. Yes. I love the UV reactive  

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and the glow in the dark aspects to my art. It gives it another layer of depth and meaning, and I absolutely love it. It's so much fun. You know?  

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Mhmm.   And yeah. Is it is it hard because you just making a normal. So so you really like to do portraits. Right?   Yeah. Yes. Go ahead.  

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No. No. Nothing.   Yeah. I love portraying people. People are so complex and so, you know,   beautiful and hard you know, it's I just love people. They have so much I love painting the eyes.   Like, every time that I that I did a portrait painting for someone,   the the thing that I love most is the the the comment that they said is that you capture their soul perfect their essence perfectly, and that's the thing that I love.   I love just to try and   give them,   you know, the justice or the the   the beauty of the human being that they are. You know? Because we're all   you know, beautiful.  

You know? We're all beautiful in our own unique ways,   and we're full of stories and   full of,   of   I think it's just beautiful, you know, in general.  

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So yeah. So so everybody is a divine human being. Mhmm. The only thing is a lot of people do not connect directly to that powerful soul that we are.   And if you and I really liked your picture from, that you did, your painting from, Jimi Hendrix.   Yeah.   Yes. The the the soul the the eyes   capture   what the soul has been through. Right? It's  

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Right.   Right. Yeah. I usually don't   don't do icons because,   you know, I don't know them, and then I can't talk to them, and I can't, you know, know what they're really about. Nobody knows really. No. We just see what's on the outside.   You know? But beyond the surface,   you know, what are they really what are they really going through? That's the that's the that that's the beauty of it. You know? Right. So I usually like to,   usually, people like to open up to me.   I'm not very good in doing these kind of things where I just talk, with people like this, you know, put on a spot, whatever. But when I'm one on one with a person, they usually like to open up, and I I I believe that they feel comfortable   enough to just, like, let it go and show their true essence. You know?  



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Right.   Yeah. So is it if you use these, these, other colors like UV and the   glow in the dark, So you have to paint the painting three times, or do you do you Yes. Makes the yes. Right? It's super complicated. I thought it was easy. I said, okay. I'm gonna put do this painting. Not but  

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so, so, basically, I would paint it with a daylight, right, because I can't see anything.   But, so I would paint it with it in the daylight, and then I put the blue light in the paintbrush or whatever.   You know? The color   is just different with that light, so I would have to go over and do it again with a UV light and then glow in the dark another one. You know? So I have to paint with three different lightings.  

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Wow.   Yeah. That takes it to a complete   other level.   Mhmm. I mean, to to paint portrait is a is is   is a hard job, first of all. But to to make it work in the dark or with the UV light,   wow.   So you must be so so, basically, you paint,   like,   seven no. 25%   in daylight and the rest in in darkness   to make work.   Yes. Yes. Yeah. To your   to your nitrile.  

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Yes. Exactly. Well, I'm also that because when, you know, when my kids are around, now they're,   the boys are in Indiana doing a summer camp, and my girl is in Lake Como with her dad.   But when they're here with me, which are the majority of the whole year,   I can't really work when they're around because they're always needing of attention and whatnot. So I paint in the at nighttime, and that's when, you know, I have fun with my art.  

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Alright.   So   is that also your Zen moment that you can   so a lot of people do not know that, but if you are artistic or very creative,   the art that you make, whatever you do, if you're making,   movies or or playing guitar or, you know, like like a musician or a painter,   the things that we produce when I when I see how I do it is that's my zone. I don't have to think about it. It's just creating.  

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Totally. Totally. Oh. Yes? Yeah.   Yeah. It's a it's, like, therapeutic.   So that's another   layer of this project   is   for example, I don't know. Have you ever done the fluid art?  

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No.  

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Fluid art. Not yet. Fluid art, you did have do you know what it is? Right?  

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I think I do. But please explain also for the audience, for the people that So,  

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so fluid art is something that my, partner   did,   okay, when we got together to do this project.   And fluid art, you basically use acrylic instead of I use oil, but now I love acrylics. It's a whole other,   other discussion because the the, the colors and you know, it's just beautiful.   So fluid art, you put acrylics together, and you you make these beautiful patterns just by mixing, like, moving the canvas or whatnot. You should look into it because it's so much fun, and it's so beautiful.   And you get in as well, painting in general or music or whatever. You know? It's a it's a it's,   how do you say in in English? It's it's,   you you're present. You're present in the moment. So it is therapeutic, and it is   a way to,   heal. And it's it's, you know, it's   it's just, it's just that. You know?  

Right. So yep.  

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Yeah. It's and it's I think not only therapeutic. It's it's also,   shit. I just have the the word and the Mhmm. We talked about it before, like skipping rice like squirrel. We both have an ADHD break. This could be Yeah.  

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Probably. Yes. Yes.  

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Yeah. And that's a good thing because,   I think if you go through some stuff and everybody has a story to tell,   and and none no life on Earth is is an easy is an easy peasy thing. Right? It it's it it comes with struggles. It comes with disappointments.   It comes with frustration on that side. But once when you realize that you can   put these thoughts in your poetic kind of,   way on canvas or in music oh, it's like a symphony. Right? You're composing   a symphony   that tells the story,   and then the creation when it comes out is whatever product you gotta   you gotta put out. Right?  



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Yes.   Yes.   Exactly. You said it perfectly.  

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Thank you.   So, yeah, that's that's why,   that's why I always   liked to paint.   And I just told you Ripley was also involved with a lot of booze and some drugs and late nights   and early mornings   and loud music   to to get my thing going.  

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Yeah. I understand that part.   Yeah.  

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So   would you like it if we   so you listen to a few of my podcast. Thanks for that.   Yeah. Of course. Would you like it if I gonna ask you questions that I normally have on the end   upfront because there we go to know each other a little bit better. Yes. Go ahead.   So, Alyssa,   what's your favorite color?  

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Oh, gosh. You can't ask that to an ADHD person. Come on. They're all they're all beautiful.   They're all full of, you know, different meanings, and it's beautiful. I don't know. I like iridescent.  

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So  

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Uh-huh. All of them. Yeah. I do. And I don't have a favorite movie, and I don't have a favorite song. There you know, it depending on my taste,   there are so many   to me that are just   amazing, and I couldn't put one on top of the other. You know what I'm saying?  

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Yeah. I do exactly know what you're saying because you connect the music to the feeling,   to the emotion,   to that to the moments.   That makes that part of music and that kind of the moments   special.  

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Yes. Imagine. I am mad. Because look. This is the thing. Art comes with or at least for me. No?   It comes from feelings. So when I was heartbroken,   then that's when I did these paintings with rock music, and I was like, I think I'm beautiful.   I I mean, I don't like to be heartbroken,   but   these paintings   were full of, like, oh, so much,   emotion. And that that's when my best work actually came. You know? It's when I had   these intense feelings, whether it was of happiness, whether it was of you know? But you have to feel so much. You know? And then then that's when the, art comes alive, and that's when the the the you know? You do your masterpiece   from emotion from deep emotions.  

You know? Right.  

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So you have a favorite genre when it comes to music, or is it also spread on? Everything. I can listen to classical.  

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I can listen to hip hop, rock, whatever. Good music is good music.   You know? Right. Right. Mhmm. Mhmm.  

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So, okay, and let me, let me let me think about the questions because I normally had well, I did it in the past with a computer at my office.   But now I I as we briefly talked about it, I I'm living in my car, so I don't have every everything equipped with me. So we got,   we had the the   okay. So,   what's your favorite book?  

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Oh, okay. So the book, I would say, I don't have a favorite again. Okay. So I'll tell you one thing. The book a book, I know it's, I don't know,   very common, probably. You know, Jay Shetty. Right? Jay Shetty? Oh, yeah. Think Like a Monk. Think Like a Monk is, like, my bible. Right? When I went to well, I went to rehab,   twice,   and,   I I I just I the first time that I went, it was in Mexico.   This   rehab   was so so my friend let me tell you one thing. So I was in a point in my life a lot of things happened, you know, and a lot of disappointments.   And, you know, I started drinking too much or whatever.  

And, I said, I I knew that I had to leave to go to The States after COVID.   So I said, if I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna leave with a with a different state of mind. I wanna leave. I'm going by myself with three kids for their education.   So what I'm gonna do is now I get tools to that I when I know I'm there and it's gonna be, you know, very tough, I'm not gonna go into,   you know, the   partying too much. Right? So I don't wanna   I would just wanna go with a different mindset. So I went to this rehab in Mexico,   k, and I had one of the best and toughest experience of my life.  

It was so deep and so amazing that I think this also, that is thanks to that that experience that   I am who I am now, and I'm doing what I what I'm doing now is because of that. And there, I read the book of Jay Shetty where it gave me the tools that I've never had before.   It's like, he gave me so many tools, and I'm like, woah. If I would have known that. And you know what? I'm gonna tell you about   you know, one of my paintings is one one one. Right? It's about,   it how do you say it? Like,   I feel that it is,   in a way, my father   giving me a message. So it's a it's very how do you how do you say it in English? Spiritual? Spiritual. I don't know how to say it.  

Yeah. And when I was in that rehab, everything   seemed to be connected. It was crazy. It was, like, magical.   So   the people   whenever I was reading a chapter of that book,   the people, the coaches, or the people that came there to help you,   find your path or,   you know, or teach you about a certain subject, whether it was   metaphysics.   No. Me meta No. What are you saying? Metaphoric?   No. No. No. Metaphysica.   Metaphysica?   Metaphysica.   Metaphysica.   Or whether it was religion. They came, like, a different   set of people, no, that that so that you could find your   your your,   how do you say it? I mean, past your your yeah. Yeah.  

And,   oh, shit. See, ADHD. And now I can't remember where I was going with this.   Oh, I was so you you were ready. Yes. So they the coaches   were talking exactly the same chapter of the book.   It was like a divine intervention. It was something that it was so weird that I've never experienced before in my life. It was like, how can this happen? I'm reading this this subject   in my book, and they're talking about exactly the same thing.   It was so crazy. Right.   Right?   So, yeah, that's my favorite book. I love that book. That book I I I you know, I just give it to all my friends that are in trouble. I said, read the book because you could see. No? Think like a monk. Think like a monkey. You know? I think Right. I thought like a monkey so many years, and now I wanna think like a monk to have peace and happiness.   So   yeah.  



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Right. That's   all it cares. Right? This is all we need to balance.   Yeah. Do you hear the sound?  

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Pardon?  

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No. So so my my car, it has a   after an hour, it is gonna,   blow the air conditioning   Oh. Dry. Oh, yeah. So it all of a sudden just like   so I thought maybe maybe, we we we were hearing that on the podcast. It just turned off, so that's it. There's gonna be no problem. But Yeah. Yeah. So I think that   especially when you say the divine connection that we have,   coming back to the book from Jay Shetty, I I haven't read it yet.   But I think when when we   people get through some situations   or moments in life, and we gonna,   not only write it down, but also mirroring   ourselves.  

These are lessons that other people that write the book,   and get their education from   because you've been there and you dealt with it and you saw what happened.   Never ever   was addicted to something in my life.   But that doesn't mean that my,   my being   needed once in a while some stuff to knock me down. So the question is,   why did it knock me down, or why did I needed it? That's trauma.   Basically, that's trauma because of whatever, dogma, indoctrination,   frustration,   bad, decisions,   family, friends, relationships,   all that Yeah. All that stuff. But when you mirror yourself like, oh,   I was drinking so much because   this or that.  

And it turned my life completely around. I'm I'm still a very social junkie.   Mhmm. Yeah. I still love some substances and stuff like that, but the way   when I use it and the amount   is so much different.   I don't need it every single day.   Never had. And I never ever want to be,   Sleeved. Kinda sleeved to some yeah. Yes. A slave. I never ever want to be dependent on someone or someone   Yeah. Because then I'm lost.   And that's but but I I need to read the book.   So, okay. So we got the book. We got the films that you do know. Okay.   What's your favorite clothing that you wear?  



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Oh, clothing. Okay. Well,   clothing, it depends on how I feel, the more my mood.   Sometimes I you know, when I after I had a heartbreak one time, I decided   to,   put, like, dreadlocks extensions,   and I dressed hippie for   a while. And, you know, it depends all on or sometimes it depends on the mood, and I like to change. I I don't know. I like to change in everything. I I think it has something that, you know, goes along with the, you know, the symptoms of ADHD or whatever. And then you you need constant   change. You need to yeah. That's why you're you're not normal. You go you know, you can't sit sit it's still in one one place. Right? Am I correct?  

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Yeah. You're very correct.   Yes. It's that's why I have multiple clothes just to, you know, to swap it. I have to be honest with you that I that I learn myself that I know what the trigger is, but I have to be at peace   with myself.   And   in the early days when I was,   I did twenty five years of sales international businessman,   I had to change all the time, you know, and and new blouses, new new suits, all that stuff. The the the shoes have to match with the belt, all that stuff. But now I just don't give a shit anymore.   Why? Because   I made the image   for other people.  

Yes. Yes. And I don't give a well, I'm I'm a social   misentrope, so I do not like people, but I'm a social one. Right? So   I I have very few people in my in my in my surroundings, in my inner circle.   And if they don't like what I wear, I don't give a shit. I just don't give a fuck about it because I have to be comfortable with it. And I don't know what what episode did you listen to, but I'm designing a skirt for men. So I'll always walk around in a skirt.  

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Oh, really?  

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Yeah. I got a skirt on right now.  

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I love it.  

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With underwear. Right? With not like Scottish before. Right? Oh, why don't women always ask that? Or women are not allowed to ask women if they have a skirt like, oh, do you wear?   That's like,  

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because it's making it fun. Come on.  

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Yeah. It's fun.   I never ever wear underwear on my skirts. No. No. Because I designed it.   So the thing is   but the   we're skipping right. It's like squirrel anyway, so fuck it.   The the thing I have right now is just linen.   Okay? Mhmm. Lidinous antibacterial.   But the thing here comes the thing. If you are struggling   having babies and because of the the the the semen of the man is not that good quality,   walk around   for two weeks,   strong as I prefer to say, in a skirt,   and you will do the thing because   it's so   not only elaborating   and freedom,   it's really good for your for your thing. Because it's   it's all wrapped up. Can you imagine that you're gonna put,   an elephant in a very small box? Mhmm. That's   you know, that's not good. It needs to breathe.  

That's just my  

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so this No. No. You're right. You're totally right. I'm I'm I'm, like, for it. You know? I'm   I'm not gonna say anything personal, but, yeah, I understand what you're saying.  

[00:26:35] Unknown:

Yeah. It's It's you you foreign. Freedom. Freedom.   Freedom.   Yes. It's all freedom.   And yeah. So so skip the fuck is good. So  

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I I made one. I'm gonna Oh, where do I find your your you do have a photo? I wanna see it afterwards. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna send you afterwards.  

[00:26:56] Unknown:

Yeah. So here yeah. I'm gonna show you afterwards. It's much, much better because,   we we record this only on audio for people that are listening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. There's no rumble. There will be no rumble available, so you have to do it with the with the the the talk that we have and picture it yourself how it's in your own imagination. It looks like Mhmm. But,   oh, yeah. Okay. So we have this the what's your favorite holiday destination?  

[00:27:24] Unknown:

Okay. Wait. Before that, I wanna ask you a question.   So, you know, we have many ideas. Right? We have my mind is constantly going with that. Talking about skirts, what I would like to what I envision   for   the well, I envision finding well, next weekend, I'm gonna go to San Francisco to look for galleries. Right? And, you know, I'm starting to introduce myself and be on the surface and whatnot.   But I've envisioned this art show, okay,   with, at the beginning, as an intro,   a mini fashion show because I was a fashion designer in all in Florence. So I'm thinking of doing, like, these beautiful   skirts, gowns, whatever. No. Okay. Any kind of garment that has hand painted   designs   of whatever theme, you know, goes on my mind at the moment, and then with UV reactive and glow in the dark. And so do a little mini fashion show before the art show. What do you think is a good idea?  



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Yes.   Dude, I now I'm gonna show this is off.   Okay. So this is my skirt. I'm gonna put it all later.   See this art?   This is silk,   and this is a painting.   So it's normally a painting from like like, a big painting from a friend of mine,   and they printed it on silk. So this is silk. This is cut and linen. Okay? Nice.   But we talked about my paintings. I wanna push my paintings. I wanna print them on silk too so I can have so every single skirt   is individualized   and customized.   And white print it?  

[00:29:00] Unknown:

Yes. Don't don't print it. Do it by hand. Do it the the that they could it's worth more because you oh, yeah. I guess you if you wanna make a, like, a sell a lot, you have to print it.  

[00:29:12] Unknown:

Yeah. Well,   sell a lot is is not the   it would be it would be fucking awesome if I sell a lot. That I have to be honest with that. But for me, it's it's it's my   statement   of this. So the thing is when people come across me in the streets or when I go to parties or whatever,   it's not looking strange because maybe it's the the way that I look, the way my confidence are, like, hey. This is what the fuck you get, and that's it. But it looks good. I mean, I had people most of the men are like, wow. That's not too bad. I mean, it's not like I'm not walking around in an Elsa   ice queen's,   dress. Right? I'm walking around in a in a in a mix between,   punk that I like, punk with with some fucking big boos on it,   and then,   my own   art and then a little bit kilts, all that stuff. So Mhmm. If that's how I but but I'm I'm still in in phases of creativity.  

But,   I really would like it, Lisa, and I think it's gonna be very fruitful for when you're doing the the the show, the presentation,   the art gallery   to to, yes,   painted dresses and and gowns and stuff like that   that you did,   dude, that's gonna that's gonna rock a fucking art.  

[00:30:38] Unknown:

Cool. I love it. Okay. That's awesome.   Yeah. I like to hear different people's opinions   on you know? What should we maybe we could do a collaboration. We could do some kilts,   all hand painted.  

[00:30:53] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes. Yeah. I think we we   so just briefly, before   people know I do not use a script.   And most of the people I never ever talk before we jump on in the podcast.   And,   snakes thanks to snake, terribly hand. He connect And the snake. Both of us.   That's the snake. Yeah.   And he connected both of us. And,   today, I got a message like, oh, is it okay if we do not do the video and stuff like that? So, yeah, sure. We can do the audio. That's that's no problem at all. But I knew that you were you were jumping up and down in your brain like, oh, fuck. What should I say?   So you you asked me just like, can we briefly talk?  

So yeah. Sure. I'm just a human being too, and,   so I really like the energy.   And, and and that's the thing. If you are   in that moment,   if if it's all the creativity or if you are putting your zen on a beach and nobody's around you, you just have your own thoughts, or you're writing a book or you're reading a book, you're looking at a movie, whatever the fuck you do when you're in that in that balanced moment,   that's what we need   to get rid of all the bullshit   that society wants to put us out with.   Yes. That's and and,   thankfully,   you   as Alisa   have ADHD,   me as Rob too. Why? Because I embrace the creativity   that goes with that with with it.  

You know?   There's never a dull moment.  

[00:32:34] Unknown:

Mhmm.   Yeah. Yes. Exactly. Or if there is, we're gonna change it because we don't want it.  

[00:32:41] Unknown:

Right? That's probably when we fall asleep, when we're too tired of doing stuff.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. Can I oh, can I just tell you something? But I learned about my ADHD,   like, a year and a half ago.   So if I would have known because I was always asking myself, why am I so different from all my friends? Why am I like, I felt like I was, like how do you say,   an out out cat? How out cat? Cat's outlaw. Yeah. Yeah. Minus. Yeah. So just recently   oh my god. I have all the symptoms. Oh my god. I I you know, I still have to be this is,   out of diagnose,   but I know that I have it. That's why I can't, you know, sit still, and that's why there's so many things that that are exactly the same with the people on Instagram or that's that's where I seen it that have, you know, this thing. And now I'm kinda finally breathing, and I said, oh, okay. Now I know why I'm like this. You know? And what would they always also say,   what can we use as a like, a our superpower. Right? Well, how could we change this to make it better?  

And that's what I'm doing now. That's what I that's what I   I finally have the confidence to say, hey. You know what? I'm I'm not, like, I'm not wrong. There's nothing wrong with me. I'm just, like, born like this, and I'm a have I have this. So now I'm gonna use it to my advantage.   And I love   it. You know? Right?  

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So and that that's something that that I think is very,   familiar.   We have we have completely different magic hours.   So normal people well,   if you ever come across normal   people, just just make a picture because nobody's normal. Everybody's fucked up. Exactly.   But the thing is,   if you look to to to to the to the to the, yeah, let's say, normal people for for for god's sake,   the oh, and there goes my brain again.   So if they go from from a from a job from eight to five, they do the things whatever eight to five.   But   I'm not good at that.  

I'm Yep. Maybe my magic moments are from 11PM   until midnight four or 05:00.   So Yeah. If you know that and you embrace that,   then the magic happens because all of a sudden, you're quite normal because you get due to stuff that you wanna do. I know for sure when I talk to you about,   in your days when we went to school, the indoctrination   camps,   when we have to make a test. You have to learn for a test.   I never   ever all learned   or I took, like, maybe   one day before everything starts, I'm I'm I'm in it.   If I have a task to do, like, oh, you got two weeks, two strongs   to do that thing.  

Mhmm. First strong, nothing happens.   Then maybe on on on on a Wednesday, like, oh, no. Oh, shit. Yeah. I gotta do that stuff. So everybody takes two strongs for it. I do that in two or three days.   Yeah.   Yeah. I I   I procrastination,   anxiety,   and   that was a sigh of recommend   recommend recommendation.   Yeah.   Yes.  

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Exactly. He said it perfect. So really, you asked me about books. Okay? So it's hard for is it hard for you as well? Of course. You know? I I read a book, and I have to I read a book in, like, two years because I have to stop.   Because, you know, when I read, like, a page and then I start analyzing it and I go in another subject, and it's just I can't stay focused. I can't stay focused   on what I'm reading,   and it's really hard. I think the Jay Sedi one was the only book that I well, that one I mean,   when you get when you read something that you really like, then you pay attention. Right?  

When you lose something that you're really passionate about, maybe that's not even it is   something common. But I, you know, I struggle   reading a book sometimes, you know, when I was in school, like, you were you were saying, you know, oh my god. I couldn't retain the information   because I was thinking about another million different things. You know? So,   yeah, so it was it was always   hard.   And,   I felt bad. I said, oh my god. I'm stupid. I'm stupid. Because I had no idea. It could have been because of that, you know, a VDHT.  

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So The   thing is   the system   is going   to punish you   for not having that ability   to learn. So the and what I'm trying to say with that is the following. You have to know where the book is about. That that's quite easy.   Like, the things that they're asking   is not for an ADHD   brain. But in two years, you can ask me the same questions, and I will I will I will give you the answers because I know it.   So I had some business meetings, and my boss said after the meeting, like, could you please make some notes?   And,   so I did. And he told me, like, could could you briefly say what what what we were talking about? And I said,   I I just don't know. What? You didn't pay attention.  

You were there. I   said,   I I can't. I just can't put it on paper.   But here comes the thing. Six months later, I couldn't tell you exactly   what was the slide and the following slide. I could say where everybody was in the room. I could say whatever the everybody was drinking, I could say who made a point, but that's irrelevant   because you have to do it right on that spot.   Exact Don't clear it.  

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Exactly.   Yes.  

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And the school system sucks because if you are not good in, let's say, reading,   they're gonna give you more reading stuff.   They punish you with that. But if you're very good in, let's say, gymnastics or art,   they're not gonna push you like, oh, you know what? Skip the fucking reading.   You gotta do a development and and and and and you do more art. So you so we're gonna give you art books of of of the the biggest   the biggest,   you know, of Ramelgand and and and Van Gogh and whatever the fuck they did,   Minorme, whatever the fuck Mhmm. To to to trigger that mind   to evolve itself to be a better   artist. But they don't do that. You have to make your your your points.  

That's the stupidity from the system.  

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Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. You're right.  

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That's why we screwed up.  

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Well, yeah. I mean,   it's difficult when you're in school for sure, especially at our times   nowadays,   especially here in The States. That's why I moved here with my kids because I, you know oh, this is funny. I have to tell you this one. So I was in Mexico, and I said, I know I can't be here. My kids are behind because of COVID. I have to move in a place where the school system is good so they can learn,   not like I did. You know? So we come here. I've I've researched on Google. I said, where are the best schools, the best the safest place for my kids to go, blah blah blah. And it gave me these two options, and then I chose   one of them. And you know what? This is unbelievable, and it's so good. Like, these schools here in The States, there's a lot of things   of this country that I don't, you know, understand and don't agree with, whatever.  

But the school, they're teaching them   all these thing all these tools that I didn't have. And I wish I was like, oh my god. If I would have had these   those time in my school, I would have been a different person. But I'm still here. I always think like this. In in rehab, they taught me this. Always switch from negative thoughts. You can train your brain to switch from negative thoughts to a positive one. So, anyhow, it was a learning experience for me to get to the point that I am and teach my kids something different. Right? But they're teaching them about mindfulness,   about all the tools that I learned in rehab. And when I, like, when I was forty   forty,   something, 42, whatever.  

You know what I mean? And it's Wow. I love it. The school and system now here in The States, at least in some places, is really good. You know? And my kids are are so mature, and they know so much already. And they oh my god. They're so responsible.   They have routine.   The in fact, well, I'm clashing with my,   seven 17 year old son   sometimes. Not now anymore. Not now so as much. But before, I was clashing with it because he already knew the tools, and he saw how I lived before. And he's like, yeah, mom, the you know? He didn't do the right things. You know? And I'm like, wow. He is so much more mature thanks to this   decision that I made, which was very hard, and I'm still struggling. But, you know, for them, I'm so happy   because   I know that they're gonna be they're gonna have the tools that I've never had. You know?  



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And and that that's, I think, the best thing you can wish as a parent to   to see   that your kids are ready for   the world that disappointed   us.  

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Yes.   Yes. Yes.   Yep.   Disappoint big time.   Especially in Italy, in my time, my schools in Italy,   oh my god. The the the teachers were, like, say, emotionally violent.   Like, violent. Like, I swear, would they would they they they're not, like, here. They they would just put me in a spot. Where now, this is why I was nervous talking to you   because   when I it triggers me because it give brings me back to that place where you get to have the interrogations. How do you say? Like, you get to put on their part. You know. And I'm like, oh my god. I didn't understand a fuck shit what what I what I what I read in that book last night, you know. And I I would put in a spot, and they would made fun of me in front of the whole class. Can you imagine a 15 year old girl,   you know, that was made fun of? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are traumas, one trauma after the other. And that's why beyond the surface exists.  

Because, oh, I got a lot to tell.   And I wanna hear other stories too because we're beautiful, you know, as with all our complexities   and all our fuck ups and all our lessons and you know?  

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Yeah. I I yeah. And I think if you if you do the the the the process, whatever that is for for forever human being, of course, different path or or different   opening or insight.   If if you have that ability to to see like, fuck.   I screwed up. But hey.   I'm not gonna finger point   to the school system. I'm not gonna finger point to the family or to whatever occasions. But,   hey,   maybe   it's because of me.   I I start to learn to to not to finger point on, oh,   I am because of him or I am because Yeah. Yeah. I No. No. No. No. I am.   That's it. Take full responsibility   to be a human being. Yeah. Whatever comes, and you can fuck up every single time because these lessons have to be learned to, I think, to to level up.  



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Wow. I mean, I'm not finger pointing at the schools or whatever. They were kinda harsh. And at 14, you don't know. You think it's because of you, but it's not really because of you. Right? Because of the poor discipline that they gave at those times. But Yes. I mean, I but I don't take it as as a mistake.   All all my all these,   experiences   or must they're not mistakes. And I don't like to use that term because at the end of the day, it was a learning lesson to be where you are now. Right?   So yeah. And so yeah. But I don't want I wanna take it easy on me too. You know? I don't wanna say, oh my god. I had this, and I did this and that. I chose the wrong things, and it's, you know, my fault. And me, I should've you know, I wanna take it. You know? I was trying to survive,   basically. You know? Which from what I knew and what I, you know, what I had.  

Right?  

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And aren't you also a perfectionist?  

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Oh my god.  

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Yes. Yes. Because you're ADHD. So the here comes the trigger.   When you are perfectionist,   you wait until it's perfect for you.   And because you have this thing in your mind, your your little soul talks to you like, oh, it's not perfect enough. I'm gonna do this, or I'm gonna wait for that that perfect moment. There is no fucking perfect moment. There'll never be a Moment that we're in right now is perfect already. So here comes the thing, which I learned for myself.   The past I can change, but I can bring it with me   to to have the lessons and and the insights.  

The present moment, I have to be,   with these lessons and insights to be a better person because I know now what I had to learn, and I can dream about the new future,   and then it's gonna unfold.   But to to to get through there,   that took a lot of fucking shit.  

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Yeah.   Yes. You're right. Perfection does not exist, something that I learned. But, I mean, it does not exist in anybody or in anything apart from nature. Nature is beautiful and perfect. That's why I can't paint it. Why that's why I find it so difficult   because nature is so beautiful and perfect that I'm there trying to do a leaf. And I said, oh, you know what? You're so perfect. I can't do it. You know? Because,   yeah, we're we're there's no perfection in in humans for sure. Right?   So whenever I paint, I always see millions of mistakes. I'm never happy with it. I mean, I see that I I could all always improve.   But, again, I take it easy on myself. And at at one point, I said, you know what? This is how it is. And people I did it with love, and I did it with passion. So   it it is what it is.  



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We are we are perfect with our imperfects   imperfections.   Exactly. And that's why I love to take my camera and to be out in nature. I work barefoot in the woods   to connect with your   yes. But it's so easy.   It's   it it's a mindset, first of all. But, also, now, if you see your surroundings here, I'm in the in the middle of a of a,   with   trees and stuff like that. Right? So I'm in the middle of nature.   Probably within now and half an hour maybe when the sun is gonna set,   there are some hairs and and maybe some deers that pass by and just in   five to 10 meters.  

Makes   sense. Well, not if I'm talking, of course, because then then you're gonna break the silence. I see the sun setting right now on the right   through through the leaves.   It's,   that that so,   yes, being a car nomad is fucking perfect, to be honest.   I never ever felt so comfortable with having   almost nothing. I have everything. I'm a millionaire. I'm a billionaire   life.   Yeah. I don't need to show that gold necklace because it doesn't make any sense to   me. But to be here in nature, to be at ease as being human,   to be imbalanced,   to talk to a beautiful soul on the other side of the fucking world   with a technology,   to talk about the stuff that that, you know, that connects us and and that we're passionate about,   that's fucking   that's freedom. That's that's my wellness and and   and rich.  



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My my You're yeah. That's your richness. Yeah. How do you say it? Yeah. I understand exactly what you're Well, yes. Yes.   Yes.   Wow. Beautiful. Amen to that.  

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Amen to that.   So, Elisa, what's your favorite holiday destinations?  

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The holiday oh my gosh.   I would love to travel right now, but I haven't traveled in years because to move here is so expensive. This place is, like, ridiculous.   But I I before that, I I used to love traveling.   And,   I also you know, when I was a designer,   thank goodness, you know, I used to travel a lot too. I worked in Portugal, Oporto,   which which is I just love traveling. I'm like, you. Yeah. Love I would've I would love doing what you do, but, you know, I have three kids. So I gotta   I have to you know, I I well, there's people that also do what you do with kids, and I respect that so much because I don't know how they do it. I don't know if I could do   it. But,   yeah, I would love to travel constantly. That's the the the best teaching in life.  

You know? That's that's how you learn, and that's how you grow as a human. You know? You about with with experience,   with meeting new people, new cultures,   new food. It was just   oh, there's just a taste of everything new is just amazing.   You know? Right. And he's Yeah. Yeah. You were  

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you were a a fashion designer at Florence, and   that's a   beautiful,   beautiful city.   Oh my. I was climbing that stupid little tower that seems to be   not that high,   but I was sweating from all my pores when it was upstairs. And you see,   the the Florence, like, the the Yeah. The  

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The   one on the the dome?  

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Yes.  

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Oh, nice.   And warm? It was gorgeous.  

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Yes.   So and this maybe, of course, it's a little skip to something else. I did in the early days a lot of gaming,   and I did, Assassin's Creed. I think the first or the second one is about the old cities they build rebuild it in the game. So you have to go into the cathedrals and all the old churches to find some stuff. But Nice. He also made all the art   and the statues you had to find too. So Wow. Eventually, you lined up with a with a big villa, and you have all these statues   in your garden. You have all the paintings that you collected. And and if you video game. I should tell my kids instead of playing those stupidos.   Assassin's creed. I don't know. First or the second one. It's,   it's   amazing   piece of art because they made Florence   and Venetia and,   San Gimignano.  



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Roma. Roma.  

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Roma was, I think, was a different one. Oh, yeah? That was a different yeah. It was a different episode. So I gotta figure out which one it is, but, I played it for, I think, ninety eight percent. So I had all the paintings and all the daggers and all the stuff.   Brilliant game.   Brilliant. Yeah.   Big Ubisoft.  

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Fuck. Yeah. Sounds like sounds like amazing. I love it. I wanna tell my kids. Fuck. Play that game instead of what you're playing.  

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Yeah. So now they're shooting each other?  

[00:52:06] Unknown:

No. And stuff like that? Or Okay. Let's okay. I'll tell you something about my son. So this is this is this is what I wanna say. So my son well, the the the oldest one   and and Lulu. The middle one, unfortunately, I didn't do it as much. But when I was pregnant, I used to put, like, classical music nonstop.   So   then I was like because I read about on a book,   that, you know, it it makes your brain develop more whatever. No?   And then so my son plays the piano like Mozart. He can learn a freaking song of, you   know, and and with a YouTube tutorial in one day. You know? It's an incredible gift that he has, which he's not using. He doesn't wanna do that. Then my heart broke it. Maybe I pushed him too much a little.  

You know? I don't know. But,   where was I going with this? Because I   Yeah. Were you games? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the video game. Yeah. And so the way that he plays the piano is crazy how his brain works. So he could do, like, you know, the song?   That one's so fast   that he plays video games. I saw him play Fortnite one time.   His fingers moved so fast. I didn't know how he was doing that. But but I'm, like, saying, what what are you doing? What is this game about? What is it doing? Nothing. He's just climbing shit and shooting at people. And what are you doing? You know? So I would love for of him to play your game. You know? It's a it sounds very interesting.  

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Mhmm. Yeah. Yes. So I think that, especially,   if you play the right games, whatever right game is, you're gonna develop a different kind of thing. So even with Fortnite, I never played Fortnite, but I can imagine   you have to be creative and you have to be aware about your surroundings because everybody's gonna blow your fucking head off. Right? If Yeah. You're walking in a wrong space and you need to write weapons.   But,   for example, with with the,   Assassin's Creed, these are all back in times, even Viking times and stuff like that. Wow. So there's a piece of history   involved in the game.  

Oh, that's cool. That's what I really like. So it's very   educational. And and and even oh, dude. That's so crazy. So I was in America,   last year and beginning of this year, February and March.   And we went on a road trip with Donna. I had a episode two of them also uploaded on on on my podcast. Mhmm. And, we were in San Francisco.   And I recognized a lot of things in San Francisco   because I was playing Watch Dogs, which is built on Wow. San Francisco.   Can you imagine that that you are Yeah. Playing a video game five years or ten years ago?   And now you are in a city like, oh, wait. If you go left, you see this. I remember that. See that.  

It's crazy.   Yeah.  

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Well, yeah, those are those are, you know, and everything, there's a co and a prod. Right?  

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Yes.   But   you don't have to get stuck in that. So   we're probably building right now is that we do not have the real reality, but we have a computer,   a VR   glasses on, and we live in that futuristic world that's nonexistent,   but it's only online, you know? And that's that's the thing. Like, you can go to every place you want on this world   if you look through these   PR glasses.   And maybe it's a good thing, but you have to develop yourself   and and look inside of that beautiful world that we're living in.   And just what you mentioned, if you travel a lot,   the culture, the food, and all that stuff, first of all, what you're gonna realize is that most   human beings are not that bad as what they say on TV.  

Mhmm.   Yeah. Or what they're gonna show you in movies.   Mhmm. I was five minutes in   in New York, and I was stoned as a motherfucker.   I mean,   I was raised   if you even   smell like weed, you're going to jail for ten years in America. Right? Yeah. And I was so   and on  

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our yes. I was You're freaking out or you're freaking out?  

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No.   No. I was I was relaxed.   So I it was a little bit awkward.   That's the   because,   the the the indoctrination   Yeah. Was doing its thing.   Yeah. But then I said, like, everybody's smoking. Oh, fuck. Yeah.   I looked at me.   Lost the on the left hand side.   Mhmm. So   what's your favorite,   drink?  

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Oh gosh. My I don't have a favorite drink, honestly. I just   well, wine, of course. Good wine is good wine.   Montalcino,   Montepulciano,   all those those are, you know, off the charts for me. They they they just even the in Italy, even the cheapest wine is good. And here,   in and in Mexico, I taste like really bad wine. So but here, now there's another's really good wine, but it's a lot more expensive, of course. So But Yeah. Wine wine would be, oh, I like limoncello.   I don't have an answer for these questions because I like so many things. You know?  

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That's a good quest that's a good answer. Yeah. That's a good answer. You don't have to be, yeah,   you don't have to specifically dial it down.   And when you say, like, I don't have, like, a favorite movie, that's that's perfect because that that means,   as you said, there are just so many   so many things involved if if I like the movie or the book or whatever. Right? Of course. So   yes. So and I have to think in my in my in my in my ADHD brain what the next question is. So we got that got that. Beyond the surface.   Beyond the surface. Right?  

So okay.   What is your what is your,   perception   of value?   Oh, the Values. Right. Value What's your definition of value?  

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Value is something you live for and buy.   Like,   you know,   what what what what makes you a better person in this world? What what,   you know, what is it that you love that's aligning,   you know, with what you do? You know? I think. I don't know.   Yeah. I think the value is that, like, I love my family.   I I love being,   honest, and I love being   respectful.   And I don't know. There's so many different   views on what value is. Right? I don't know.   Yeah. What's your value? So we're sure values? What are your values?  

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Truth.  

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Truth? Truth. Yes. Yeah.   I have so it's it's, respect and truth.   So when I respect,   wherever I am, if it's in nature or in in in with with other fellow humans,   if I respect them,   I'm not,   what what's it called? I'm not,   expecting.   No. What's what's the word? Oh, fuck. Now I fucked it up.   I understand what you're saying. Yes. Yeah. I I feel that too, but I want to want to break it down in words.   So   it's it's the it's the,   you should not have   expectation. That's the expectation. Yes. Expiration. But if I'm I think that if I'm respectful   to nature,   then nature will be respectful to me. And I see that, and I feel that because I'm in the middle of the fucking field.  

And   once in a while, I have a mosquito   thing.   Once in a while.   But that's, I think, because I am in nature. I am nature. So I don't use any   soap or or aftershave or whatever because I want to smell like human and not like a fucking   tropical peach or whatever. What a fuck. I understand what you're saying. Right? Yeah. So I only use Aleppo soap.   I do my grounding, so I'm barefoot right now. Most of the time, I'll just walk around here in in the grass and in the forest.   Somehow,   I think that nature   sees me   and respects me for who I am. But if you use, like, a fragrance,   mosquitoes and and insects like, oh, what the fuck is that? Right? So they're gonna attack it or they're gonna did they like it? I don't know. Yeah. You feel like you're you're contaminating  

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their   the the essence. No? You're contaminating   yeah. Just   because of, you know, a product of   of hue of humanity. You know? Like, to look to smell better, to feel better, you gotta put this and that. Nature, a 100%. You're you're   you, a 100%. That's freaking beautiful. I wish I could do that, you know, all the time. But, yeah, we're we're too contaminated   by what we should do and what we should wear and what we should smell like and what we should, you know, behave like and this and that, you know?  

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But But we choose.   We choose,   and it goes the same for for the humans that I'm encountering, like the social or whatever.   I think that's the same thing. If I am just the authentic   me   and respectful to the other,   no expectations, but I think that's gonna be that's gonna be the vibe.   Yeah. So   I'm I   know   I never encounter any   well,   stupid things   because somehow   the the the vibration, the energy I'm getting   is gonna be feeding   back. Yeah. That's how it works.  

[01:02:07] Unknown:

I truly do think so that it works. Yes. You're totally right. You're totally right. It's the energy so much the energy. But sometimes you're you have good energy, and you you encounter people that have, you know, another kind of energy.   And as much as you try to make shift in the energy,   it's really hard sometimes. You know? But Walk away.   Yeah. Walk away. Yeah. Walk away of things that yeah. Of course.   But but, see, my my my problem is that I always wanna help. I always want it's like I have a magnet for these people that are in situations, and I feel compassion. So that's why I wanna try and help. But then at the end of this, fuck up all my energy.  

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Yeah? Okay. And then So I can't Anyhow. So that's not your problem. That's not your problem. That's your challenge.  

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Yeah.  

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That's your challenge. To have boundaries. Emotion as a trap. Yes. Yeah. Yes.   But but that's that's so that's that's a hard part too for a lot of   I want to love everyone,   but I can only do that if I love myself.   Yeah. I can only put out the work   if if if if I'm grinding it.   Right?   And I just heard something, and I want I want you to to react to that because I heard the  

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What did you say? Yeah.  

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So   when I said about the self love, you did the  

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Oh, yeah. I thought you were gonna put something on. I didn't understand the last part. But did you can I oh, can I tell you something? The last piece of this collection of my story, actually, the last, you know, the last painting is about self love. So let's do it together.   Come up with an idea about because I'm kinda stuck here. I'm but this is my last painting   of not not the last, but of this particular,   project that Jenna and I   did, the last piece was gonna be the fur the one before was healing, which I did the round circled one with a, you know, with a woman with a, you know, the hair because it's it represent freedom. Because when you heal, you're free. You're free from all your all the pain and all the the struggle that you've been through. No? Because you kinda have some sense of peace. So and then afterwards, there's the self love.   So this is my last meeting of my story for now because, you know,   in life, there's gonna be plenty other stories. You know? But what I wanna do now after I do the self love of my story, then I wanna start doing other people. You know?  

Well, that sound bad. Well, I don't wanna start doing other people. I wanna start telling their stories.   Right?  

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So So No.   What about   a human being   in the middle?   Mhmm. And all the things that   we   attract   as self love, self esteem,   gathering around that human being.   What makes the love  

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Shut up. That's exactly   what I was envisioning of   is this naked body, naked,   natural, naked, like, god create you, whether it's however it is. Right?   So so and I was thinking   to to have, like, a spiral   of,   motivational   quotes that,   help,   you know, understand   what self love is about. You You know what I mean? And that's what I wanted because I wanted to do those letters of glow in the dark and stuff. It's so cool. And then you turn off the light, and then you have all these motivation going around the body. You know?  

[01:05:53] Unknown:

Wow.   Yeah. Wow. We're at the same level, Lisa. I feel that. That's so fucking awesome.  

[01:05:59] Unknown:

Yeah. You'll be part you're gonna be part I'm gonna bug you. I'm gonna call you when I do the painting. We're gonna collaborate on this one.  

[01:06:06] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes.   Love that. Yes. I do love that.   That would that's that's where where   I figured out   the hard way. And I still have to, the, the, the, the most difficult part   in my life   is asking for help. Mhmm.   And I figured out, like, I can do a lot myself because I'm always I'm on the on the fucking roller coaster of life, baby. I don't care. I then let's do it. But   with more people with the same mindset,   you can you can move mountains.  

[01:06:47] Unknown:

Exactly. Yes.   Right. Yeah. I get you. I get you on that because there's so many people,   like, you know, like us   and did the yeah. They they just we believe in as in something. For in my in my   mind, it's just about making the world where there's more love and sharing. If if you've gotta put something out there,   do it about being kind and making the world a better place.   You know? And just, you know, you can move things if you oh, the power of manifestation.   Right? The power of manifestation is that it's a it it it is real.   Right? Right. So Yes. If many people   manifest this, like, let's be kind to each other. Let's help each other out. Let's let's you know, all those good things,   then, yeah, I think it could be a movement. It could be something that is,   yeah, gonna change. You know? And it's not just me saying, of course, you know,   it said that it's gonna be a spiritual shift in,   in humanity. You know? So let's hope for the best.  



[01:07:53] Unknown:

I I think we know.   And,   we have to believe in it,   and we have to have faith in our belief.   And   if we do that,   then,   so   so hoping is a beautiful thing,   but it's it's it's a little bit emptiness if I have if I speak from my perspective. Okay? Mhmm. Mhmm. But if I believe   that it's gonna happen and I have faith in my belief that's gonna happen, it will happen.  

[01:08:30] Unknown:

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:08:32] Unknown:

And,   I love that that   you, you have one of your,   Instagram post is is,   Gladys,   the woman that I love that.   Gladys made me happy. She made a painting for her, and you gave that   what's the story behind that if you wanna share it? Yeah. Of course. So, basically,  

[01:08:56] Unknown:

I'm broke.   So and   but not only because of that. Because even if I had money, I wouldn't go shopping Louis Vuitton and all those things.   I love I've always loved finding   treasures. No? That's why we also do you know, we also paint with recycled stuff. We get stuff that people throw away, and we paint on it. Right? So Right.   I I I love Goodwill because it's stuff that good really good stuff, like, better than, you know,   shopping anywhere else where, you know, you can   find something for $5,   and it looks fabulous. And then, you know, somebody threw that away or whatever. Somebody gave it away because they didn't fit them or whatever.   But so I go in this Goodwill,   and, you know, I was kinda feeling down and because, you know, it's a very tough times for me because I'm trying to make a living out of this also. So I'm doing children book illustrations.  

I'm doing, like, let's say, I was a designer and also I'd I'm doing, for weddings, I'm doing,   sketches,   fashion design sketches of the wedding gown as a gift to the bride and what you know, whatever.   So I was kinda, like, overwhelmed by all this this this, you know, everything.   So I go there, and this lady, this little lady, she's like she said, you know how old I am? She's almost 80,   and she's working, and she's smiling.   And, you know, I'm thinking, you know, because I always now now I'm different. I always put myself in the other person's shoes. No? I said,   you know, can you imagine what they're going through at, you know, at 80 still working?  

You know? And I can't imagine what what else she has got going on, which now I know because she's my friend. She said yesterday, she wrote me a message. I she works on Sunday and Monday helping this lady with that has,   amputated some I don't know which limbs, but   she she said I'm helping, you know, as a extra job. You know? So you never know   what other people are going through. Right?   So I met this woman, and she's got the energy of a 16 year old. She's she she beat me, like, come on. This woman is amazing.   You know what? And she showed me. She shared her life with me with the you know, we connected. We had energy.  

So you know what? She's so kind. She gives me always these good vibes, good feelings. Every time I go and shop there, I'm gonna give her a gift.   You know? I'm gonna make her happy. Who knows whoever who who knows who made her happy last time? But she always managed to make other people happy.   So she deserves it. These kind of people   deserve so much. You know? And that's why I now I'm getting emotional about a cry.   But, you know, I would so now we we decided well, I decided, but I'm hoping that there's Jenna Jenna's back now, so I'm hoping that she's gonna do it with me. Once a month, you know, it doesn't take me long to do a painting. It takes me one day. We did nineteen   nineteen paintings in two months. You they usually takes a year, Jean, to create. You know? And they're very elaborate. They have frames. They got they got they got a bunch of stuff. But they got the three lightings and so   why not give,   you know,   four hours of my my gift to somebody that deserves it? Why not? Let's do it. So I wanna do it once a month. So if you   have somebody that you know that deserves it, I'll do it for you. And I'll well, shipping in Belgium is kind of expensive. But but when I'm like I wanna say If if this brand or if this pee if this thing goes, like, the way that I dream of, well, which it is, because I'm gonna say it is going to work,   I'll send it to whoever deserves it, a free painting. And I just the thing that I love is the reaction. It's always have been like that. You know? The best part of it for me is looking at their   reaction   and seeing the joy in their faces. Damn. I did something good for somebody else. It makes me feel good, and it makes me feel alive. You know? So that's what that's You're a beautiful soul. Mhmm. You're really a beautiful soul.  



[01:13:08] Unknown:

Wow. And you see it in the video.   You see it in the video because Gladys is just like, what  

[01:13:15] Unknown:

the? I know. I love it. I And she's gonna help me out now. She's she said she gave me all the lengths of goodwill management   to to put my,   to give them my my, she calls it what is she said? Something funny because she doesn't know me have Instagram either. You know? Like, she's she's old school. And she's like,   send a letter,   something like that. And I'm like, what is she talking about? I don't know. But she's helping me. She's trying to help me out with my art. That's so sweet.   You know? Not many people do that. People people like this. You know? It's like, that's what I wanna do. Because oh, one one thing. When I was in Mexico,   there was a.  

No?   Is children's day. So I used to voluntary   at   volunteer voluntary   how do you say? I used to, you know, give say, I'm here. I'm a mom. I'm here. I can do this. You know? So I used to paint the kids' faces.   For me, the best part of it is to see when I use when I so I paint their faces, and then I give them the mirror, the my the the best feeling ever is to see their reaction.   So that's my purpose. You know? Then now I fucking finally found it. You know? The purpose my purpose is, you know, I'm happy when I see other people happy.   Right. What do I wanna do? I wanna help people if I can. If not, you know, there's other things. That's so good. That's so and we need that. We need  

[01:14:44] Unknown:

that spark   of happiness   and love and,   acknowledgement.   Dude, that's it. Acknowledgment.   Like, wow. You see yourself in the mirror or you see the other person in the mirror.   A lot of people are striving   and and and grinding it every single day, but it got no acknowledgement,   no tap on the back because, hey, it's a job. Right? You're gonna get paid. So why should I tap you on the back? But, hey. How are you doing? You know? Hey. That's a great job that you did. Or just like you, collecting   smiles.   That makes your life much more   worthy, and you feel loved, and you feel appreciated.  

Mhmm. That's the things that I think,   the new world is shifting to. Yeah. It's a little bit spiritual, but it is.  

[01:15:33] Unknown:

Yes. And that's what Jay said he writes on his book. Or basically, you know, you have to find the purpose.   Find what you love   and find a way to give back   to something positive, you know, to help others at the end of the day. Like, the monks, you know, that the monks' teaching is that. You they they teach you how to be more serene, more more   more, peaceful peaceful hue a peaceful hue is is a is a chain,   more peaceful people, more peaceful is the world, and better is the world. You know? Better is life and better the world, better everything. You know? So   yeah. So   yeah.  



[01:16:09] Unknown:

So   what's your definition   of   we had, I don't know what the other one is. Fuck it. Oh, okay. What's your definition of god?  

[01:16:21] Unknown:

Okay. Oh, that's we're going to somewhere else. Okay.   Well   okay. So I tell you one thing. So when I was 14, my father passed away. Right? He had an accident, horrible accident where the car exploded and because he was on a highway working. He was a agent,   and this truck went on top of his car. His gas fuel tank was full and   explosion,   burned, died. They called me from school and whatnot. And then but but before that, six months before, I saw my best friend die right in front of me in a car accident in a in a motorcycle, actually. It was on motorcycle and a bus ran over her. Right?   So where are we going with this? You know, I'm lost.  

Yeah. What's the definition of god? Okay. Yes. So after that, my whole life, I was so angry.   There's no god. You know? There's no god. There's no nothing. You know? Because in Italy, we're   raised Catholic. You know? You go to you get the.   You know? The whole thing. So they teach you as you know, there is a god and blah blah blah. But after that happened, I was like, oh, no. He doesn't exist. Look at this. The world is this. I was so angry and bitter all the time.   I was so angry and bitter. There was no way of living. But, anyhow,   so,   so I didn't believe in god anymore until   I went to that rehab that I told you about.  

That rehab that there were so many things that aligned, and they were crazy,   crazy   that I said, this cannot be a fucking coincidence.   You know? This has to be something more. So there is I believe that there is   something more, of course, God. I call it God or you know? But yeah. Yeah. So that's that for me is   is God is this energy, this this this   spirit, this whatever that guides us to do certain things, I don't know, that guide us,   I don't know, in a subtle way to   understand,   to do the good thing. And I don't know I don't know how to explain it. It's very complex for me, especially in English. You know?   But do you understand what I'm saying?  



[01:18:28] Unknown:

Yes. I do understand what you're saying. And I think my listeners, the listeners to this podcast, do understand that too. So what you're basically saying is there is a source that we can see, but it's guiding us,   guiding nature, and guiding   the energies.   And that's so and I really like to say it, like like, following people that say, like, I don't believe in God. So   I I say, like, okay. So you see that house?   Yeah. Somebody build it.   Right. You see that painting?   Yes.   Somebody painted it. You see that car?   Yeah. Somebody made it. You see   nature?  

Made   it.   That's God.  

[01:19:14] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yep.   So, yeah, everybody is is can have their own beliefs, and I respect that. You know? I just Right. Don't like it when when you when we get in discussions where I believe you don't believe in this and that. No. I believe in peace. You know? I I agree that you believe in that, and that's it. You know?   But I do, yeah, I do believe in a god for sure now. Yes.   And, you know Correct. Oh, god. And then you see all the kids and the wars and big kids, innocent people dying and especially kids. And I look at my daughter and my kids, and I say,   you know, why? And then there comes confusion again,   but   there has to be a meaning a higher meaning to all of this. You know?  

And   yeah. So  

[01:20:06] Unknown:

It's it's it's sad to see, but it has a purpose   because a lot of people are   what that's just my opinion. But I think that a lot of people see now how corrupt and how,   stupid and and and violent the system is against humans.   And we chose more and more for love and support and and respect for each other, and to be living in peace and with freedom.   And the more they gonna do the stupid stuff that they're doing, the more people are waking up. So that's a good thing, I think, Julissa. I think that's a good thing. But it it yeah. It it needs some so that's the the   the the title of the podcast is so it's from this organized production, but the title of the podcast is chaos.  



[01:20:53] Unknown:

Mhmm. I read it yesterday. Yeah. I like it. So and  

[01:20:57] Unknown:

thanks. So but that's unfortunately,   especially now in the age of Aquarius, there will be some some really,   yeah, some some changes, and they're not all pretty   to get there where we have to go to. Oh, shit. Really? You said Aquarius?  

[01:21:12] Unknown:

Fuck. Yes.   Great. That's great.  

[01:21:17] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:21:18] Unknown:

I'm a proud little Woo hoo. More painting. Yeah. More struggle, more painting.  

[01:21:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Yes. Exact fuck.   With these paintings,   we are   are so what I did in the early days was when I was posting something on Facebook, I had an opinion about everything. My fucking opinion my egocentric,   narcissistic little fucker   was was putting the shit out. Yeah. Then I said like, okay, I gotta change myself after,   it took thirty five centimeters of my intestines out after three times in inflammation and perforation.   And and then I had a burnout.   And I had to change my life, especially with the things that I was doing.   So,   what I had to do is to change my mindset.  

And   that's the other thing, change life before it changes you, right? So Yeah. What I'm trying to say with this and I know I was doing this this this egocentric,   narcissistic,   introduction. Now I don't remember what what it was doing. Just say fuck.   Uh-huh. It was the same. We get lost in thoughts. Yes. We yes. Especially when I'm when I'm when I'm when I have to take it. Yes. Passion and and and, you know, enthusiasm and stuff like that.   I think, basically, what I wanted to say is,   if these oh, right. So so I I had to change my mind and I have to change my perspective and and my motivation and inspiration.   And the only thing I could do that is by looking at myself, like, okay. The next time when you have an opinion about something,   it has to be,   objective.  

Mhmm. Right? So you have to see it. You have to make up your mind, and then you can react. But then   after you react, so you write it down on Facebook, like the the keyboard war keyboard   warrior   Mhmm. Then you delete it.   So   I learned to write things down that I do not agree with or that's my opinion, whatever the fuck my ego wants to say. I read it and I burn it or destroy it because it doesn't have to get out. It has to go out of my system.  

[01:23:32] Unknown:

Yes. Journalism. How do you say journal? To have a journal, write it down. Yes. Journaling. Journaling. Yes.  

[01:23:37] Unknown:

That's so powerful.   Yeah. It's so powerful. So nowadays too, when I'm on Instagram post my shit, something I got lost in all this whatever madness,   and then I'm gonna write something like, okay. You wrote it down, read it again, and delete.   Delete.   Nobody wants to know. You know, you know, the things that I do are already enough.  

[01:24:03] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:24:05] Unknown:

And that comes back to the perfect   perfectionism.   It it doesn't exist   because when you say like, oh, that that painting is not done, and everybody's like,   wow.   Wow. Yeah.  

[01:24:20] Unknown:

Yeah.   Exactly.  

[01:24:22] Unknown:

Okay. I'm gonna skip I'm gonna I'm gonna level up now. So,   Lisa   Yeah. What's your definition of Diablo?   Of the Diablo? Diablo?  

[01:24:32] Unknown:

Oh. Yes. Oh my gosh. These are, like, profound questions right now.   Diablo, what's the devil?   Well, I believe   that   it is   unhealed traumas. That's all.   You know? And and,   yeah, unhealed traumas.   Yep.  

[01:24:54] Unknown:

There's so funny that you said no one of the wrong questions. So   when we started the podcast, it was one and a half hour ago.  

[01:25:03] Unknown:

Oh.  

[01:25:04] Unknown:

Yes. There's no time. There is no time at Zorna's books and people I love it.   People I love it. People that are listening to this podcast know that I don't like time at all. So the thing is,   I start to ask the questions to get into it, and now we're one and a half hour  

[01:25:21] Unknown:

already doing the podcast. How how do you like so far being losing your virginity on disorganized productions? Well, I love you, and yet I love the way that you make me feel comfortable because I really was nervous, and I really   don't like to talk because   we're always scared of being judged or whatnot. You know? But   you you like, people say to me, you make people feel at ease and be themselves   with no judgment, and that's beautiful.   So you're very that   you   the your purpose is beautiful. You know? And you're helping people get their word out there and, you know, it's beautiful. It's beautiful what you're doing. You're beautiful. I love you.  

[01:26:04] Unknown:

Okay? Thank you.  

[01:26:24] Unknown:

But I lost it because I was talking, and I freaking now I don't know where it is, but I have, you know, other stuff, but it's okay. So I'm look I'm going around in circles trying to find this this little light that I wanted to show you stuff with. Okay. I can't find it. Just take your time. What you're gonna do, you got my WhatsApp. Send all the things that you're gonna picture, the pictures and stuff like that, and and the picture you made for the paints to me. I make beautiful,  

[01:26:51] Unknown:

thing that, like we said, what we're gonna do, The promo thing,   please send me also a picture of you so I can put it on if you want to, if you have your hair done and stuff like that.   Yeah. But Yeah. It's it's so such a aura and such a   great conversation   to,   and I think that's that's I'm very grateful for that and and that that I   can talk to so many people,   with agreements and disagreements, but also about really fascinating people, their story.   And,   it's it's really fascinating. And you said it before within the rehab to divine connection.   I feel that.  

Yes. I felt   it every single   episode I did. The connection to these human beings,   like, holy   cow.   Wow.  

[01:27:49] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah. Everything is meant for a reason, and people come in your life for a reason. And, you know, everything is connected   for you to learn and grow   and you know?  

[01:28:03] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes.   It's been a pleasure talking to you, Alyssa.  

[01:28:09] Unknown:

Pleasure. All mine. I'm honored. Thank you.  

[01:28:12] Unknown:

Where can people find you?  

[01:28:16] Unknown:

Well,   at my house.   Yeah.   Instagram   Instagram   at beyond the surface art   dot one   and,   or in my website that I I did by myself. It took me longer to do this freaking website   and my Instagram page than it took me to do the paintings, but the wwwbeyondthesurface1.com.  

[01:28:44] Unknown:

I'm gonna put these two also in the link description of the podcast.   So if people are in the, oh, I can't write it down. I'm gonna provide you the link. It's gonna be down in the subscription below. Do you wanna   oh oh, no. No. I still have some questions, of course.   What is your so I got two, basically,   two questions that that just popped up in my ADG brain, And I wanna ask you them, and then we're gonna close it off.   What's your,   favorite   quote?   You have one?  

[01:29:19] Unknown:

Oh my gosh. These these questions, I have so many.  

[01:29:25] Unknown:

Pick one.  

[01:29:26] Unknown:

Oh, shit. I don't know. Right now, at the top of my head, you're putting me on the spot.   Oh god. All my all my all my all my paintings   have   quotes on it. All my Instagram,   post have quotes. Did you see? Okay. So this is something that I also wanna see because people are not really understanding. I'm not putting it out there. So when I when I when I when I when I opened up the Instagram,   I saw that, you know, I was always trying to do what other people are at the beginning, I was always trying to see what people are doing so that I could do the same. I said, fuck it. I'm gonna do something different. So   on one side, on the grid,   going down, there's the videos that I created with, like, AI a little bit because I wanted my paintings to come alive and tell the story because I don't know how to I'm not a writer. I don't know how to say. So, anyhow, I put and I don't know anything about social media. So, anyhow, I use my creativity to do these videos. You know? On the other side, there's all motivational   quotes related   to the painting that I post. Right? So it's right on parallel.  

There's the motivational quotes. And then another   another line that nobody's understanding,   there's letters hidden. The so, basically, you go on the grid. You see the grid doing all, like, the squares. And then you scroll down   from up to down, and there's gonna be a powerful motivational   quote at the end that's going to be the essence of being on the surface, which I know a little bit of it, but I'm going, you know what? I said, let's see what divine intervention is gonna do, and let's see what it comes up with, you know, slowly slowly by slowly. So for now, we are ignite art meets heart. Now you are the story. So that's what it all the letters hidden letters say, and that I cannot, like, freaking have people understand. They're like, what the fuck is this girl doing? You know? What is she why is she putting these letters?   You know?  



[01:31:24] Unknown:

So, anyhow yeah. Oh. What's your own opinion? So   some sound crazy, our guess will always be.  

[01:31:33] Unknown:

K. That's your your own. You did it yourself. Right? That's no. No. That's that's  

[01:31:39] Unknown:

that's,   a sentence from the song one in a million from Guns and Roses, and I really like that that was sound like, some sound crazy,   and guess will always be. So   then that's that's,   I think it's it's one to the heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really loved it that I asked you the question because   when you were,   you know, trying to say about the quotes, I thought like, oh, it's just like the book and just like, you know, there's so many quotes, but   you just pinpointed   how important it is   because you're saying   how your pains have been build up and that there's a message in it, and I love that.   We love that.  



[01:32:20] Unknown:

Yeah. So Yeah.  

[01:32:23] Unknown:

Do you have a a motto   in life?  

[01:32:27] Unknown:

A motto.   Okay. So there's so many great   spiritual   leaders.   Like, you know, there's so many. So there's so many. So now at the top of my head, I really can't say one, you know, because there's so many. And I don't want to say one because, you know, there's there's just so many in the you know? I don't like the questions where you just specify one thing out of the thousand beautiful   things that they are. You know? It makes no I would have to think about it. What would be the best quote for me to say to I don't know. I don't know. I just I believe that there's so many, and now at the top of my head, I can't come up with anyone.   Yeah.  



[01:33:08] Unknown:

I love that answer because,   yes, I put you on the spot, and you're doing fucking well.   And, yes, it's so hard,   especially when you're in some of these realms of of quotes or motivations or books. There are so many good things in this world.   And,   to to so some people have, you know, oh, that's my favorite movie. That's my favorite that or that show. Mhmm. Yeah. People that ever say you have to pick one.   So I also really like the answers. Like, I don't have one. There are so many because that that points out   that you're   it's not like you have none. So I I I really love your answers. I really love your answer. Yeah. Let's just see what,  

[01:33:55] Unknown:

the well, let's just see what beyond the surface   motivational quote will be.  

[01:34:01] Unknown:

Yeah? Yeah. I love it. Yeah. I love it.   So thank you for hopping on this podcast, Alyssa. I knew that you were nervous. I I think you did   really brilliant, really good.   You even didn't swear. I I swear a lot. I I I love the word fox. Somehow,  

[01:34:21] Unknown:

I love ow. I did swear a couple of times.  

[01:34:25] Unknown:

Oh, you did? Oh,   good. Yeah.   So   yeah. Not worked. It's it's just us. Right? It's it's me. I mean,   we're humans, and and, yes, sometimes it's it's,   sucks. I'm gonna send you a video after that for from our show about the word fuck, and you will you're gonna laugh about it. You you messed it up.   Because it it makes so much sense.   So, for all the listeners of this productions,   please take a look at the new website, this orangeproductions.com.   Yes. There are some great   products   available.   You can see my podcast, my coaching business, but, also,   you can find the grounding products that I have. You can find,   the products from Alovea.  

You can find the book, wisdom. Nice. You can find some other crazy stuff and which is brand brand new.   You can find a link to,   Brandon's,   no one now we're gonna fuck it up, of course,   bio   biodynamic diversity. I think, I think it was spelled by I know diversity. So that's that's our new products   available in the shop. We ship worldwide,   same as with the grounding product from alim.org.   Yeah. And and if you like this podcast, you can also buy me a coffee. There are so many links available.   And, please take a look at the art from, from Lisa.   Beautiful fellow human on the on the on the fucking 8,000 miles away or something like that, but that's okay.  



[01:36:06] Unknown:

California,   California.   California.  

[01:36:10] Unknown:

Mhmm. Had a body. Right?   So yeah.  

[01:36:14] Unknown:

Burner   has had a body.  

[01:36:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Right. Okay. So we're gonna keep in contact   And for all the fellow you, we still are listening right now.   Have a beautiful grant rising, a beautiful day, or beautiful evening no matter where you are on this beautiful   planet. Thank you.   Amen.  

[01:36:47] Unknown:

I've been running for all my life   with the devil on my heels.   He wasn't   always kind,   and he couldn't fulfill   my dreams.   I've been running for all my life   with a devil   on my heels.   He wasn't always kind,   and he couldn't fulfill my dreams.  

[01:37:10] Unknown:

He's a pain in the ass.   He's black   fulfill my dreams.   He's a pain   in the ass.   I'm   black as a knight.   God show me light, and he'll be tight.