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Welcome, fellow humans, to another episode of the Disorganized Productions Podcast! In this episode, your host Rob is joined by the intriguing Shayn Jones, host of Bizarre Encounters and Inquiries of Our Reality. Shayn shares his fascinating journey into the world of paranormal encounters, cryptids, and shadow people. From his childhood experiences with astral traveling and sleep paralysis to his most terrifying encounter with what he believes could be a Wendigo, Shayn's stories will keep you on the edge of your seat.
Rob and Shayn dive deep into the world of haunted explorations, discussing the necessary gear for such adventures and sharing spine-chilling stories from their own experiences. They also explore the concept of residual hauntings, the possibility of multiple dimensions, and the idea that our reality might be a simulation.
Shayn also talks about his day job as a cannabis grower in Michigan and his eclectic taste in music, ranging from hardstyle to UK rap. The episode wraps up with a fun segment where Shayn answers 13 thought-provoking questions, revealing his favorite books, music, and even his life's motto.
Don't miss this captivating episode filled with paranormal tales, deep philosophical discussions, and a glimpse into the life of a true explorer of the unknown.
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Unknown:
Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby. Welcome, fellow human, to the disorganized productionist podcast. The show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode will embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential, and conquer life's challenges. Skipping branch like squirrel, baby. Ghost. Hey, Shane. How's it going, man? Not too bad. How about yourself?
[00:01:16] Unknown:
Not too bad, man. Pleasure to finally meet you.
[00:01:19] Unknown:
Yeah. It's been, like, we we wrapped up, like, 2 or 3 times, but, time schedules kicks in.
[00:01:27] Unknown:
What country are you doing again? Netherlands. Europe. Netherlands. Oh, yeah. That's right. Because I was thinking New Zealand for some reason. I I remember, yeah, there was somebody that was from Netherlands. That that's you were the that person.
[00:01:39] Unknown:
That's me. That's me. You're right. Oh, man. I love your show, man.
[00:01:44] Unknown:
Well, thanks, man. I, checked out a couple episodes of your show, and I definitely enjoy it too, man. Oh, that's cool. And that's what it's all about, right?
[00:01:52] Unknown:
Supporting each other. There's no thing like Someone Who's Better or stuff like that. But there are so many shows out there that are so interesting to listen to with interesting topics and interesting guests. I will briefly introduce you to the audience. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human, welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions. And today's special guest, we have, Shane Jones.
[00:02:24] Unknown:
I'm going to put the applause in my head. Yeah. I heard you. I'm going to definitely going to put the applause in the editing,
[00:02:31] Unknown:
edition when I put it on Spotify. So, don't worries about that. I need a I need a port, like, you know, when I'm saying, like, skipping branches like squirrel. It's gonna be repeated and stuff like that.
[00:02:44] Unknown:
Gotta get a road caster, man. They got the the 8 buttons on it you can program. Yeah. And you have the sound effects.
[00:02:50] Unknown:
I got the, Arturia well, don't screw it up. I got a Arturia, mini lap. I can put it in, but the thing is, everything will slow down with, because my, what's it called, the
[00:03:09] Unknown:
internal drive. Too too much processing power? Yeah. You see? That's the problem I run into now, man, trying to use, like, Riverside and everything. I got, like, a dual core and everything quad core now. So I have to put my can my camera in standard definition, which is why I had to switch back to Zoom myself instead of using Riverside is because my computer's not fast enough to run it no more. Oh. That's one of the that's one of the things why I got into the Xboxing games.
[00:03:33] Unknown:
Because I was doing the games online, you know, you, you, you get it from a torrent and you, you scrape it or you buy it in a store. But when you do PC gaming, you need it every single week, a new software or like a key or stuff like that to keep it running. And I destroyed pre Atari, at that time, high end, graphic cards, just with gaming with Soldier Forge Online. Soldier Forge is just, like, rambling on, and then all of a sudden my PC starts to smoke.
[00:04:08] Unknown:
Dude, man, I tried to run a PC for a while, and I honestly ended up giving up and ended up switching to the Xbox like you were saying because it was like, I buy a game, and then the next time there's a new new game that came out, you need to buy new pieces again and then new pieces again. And it feels like it's getting away with podcasting, man. I was running for 2 years on this laptop, and now it's, like, way too slow. It's like I'm just trying to do audio, man. I don't need all this fancy stuff. Right.
[00:04:33] Unknown:
So, Shane, you are now, I hope I'm correct, I'm 100% correct, But at the 85th episode of Bizarre Encounters and the 232, oh,
[00:04:52] Unknown:
episode of Inquiries of Our Reality. Yes, sir. I got 233 sent to my computer right now. So 232 is released, and then I got, 87 on my computer right now for bizarre encounters, and 80 6 is getting dropped this week on Wednesday.
[00:05:10] Unknown:
This coincidence. Exactly, what do you think? Because you encountered quite some stuff yourself, right? You're not only talking about the cryptid, Personal Encounters, Shadow People, Dog Man, and Mentally Processing Encounters on your show. And you have some great guests that talk about their experience, about Paranormal Encounters. What was your first encounter, and, what was your most fearful one?
[00:05:45] Unknown:
Well, going back with encounters is kind of a weird one for me because I I grew up astrotraveling without actually realizing what I was doing. So I had, like, weird paranormal experiences starting from the time I was a kid, mainly resorting to, like, shadow people and sleep paralysis and, like, seeing other weird places. Like, I'd be, like, in other people's houses. Like, I'd see myself sleeping, levitating above my body, just weird stuff like that. So, I mean, that would have been, like, my first experiences and those have been something that's, like, semi lifelong, leading into a bunch of other stuff. Like, my experience is kind of, like, chain 1 off the next, but my probably scariest experience, was actually seeing something that I believe may have been a wendigo or some type of creature that was half apparition because I saw it physically when I was actually there seeing it. But then when we were leaving, my girlfriend was taking pictures on her camera, and she caught something that looked just like it, but it's completely see through. So it was like an apparition.
So, like I said, I believe that it may have been a wendigo, least looking into, like, the folklore tradition of how exactly they explain it because it doesn't have, like, the deer head or anything like that. That was just stuff that, like, colonists kinda added on trying to, like, demonize the culture and stuff. Mhmm. But kinda like how people would describe, like, a rake or a pale crawler is essentially how, like, a wendigo would look, and that was basically the makeup of what I saw. I guess for a while, I had no idea how to exactly to label this thing, so I just didn't tell anybody about it, honestly, until, like, a year or so into my podcast. And then I finally told the story to somebody, and they kinda helped me piece some stuff together, but I didn't know where to categorize it. Because when I looked up particular things about it, it would come up with a wind to go. Right. But then when I look up pictures, not digging into the research too far back yet, you know, I just see, like, the common pictures that everybody's fully aware of, and I was just, like, no. That can't be it. So now I'd see pale crawler, and then I would see, The Rake. And then The Rake, you can kinda date back to, like, creepypastas, stuff like that off of Reddit and everything.
Pale crawler, I definitely think maybe something that's just misidentified because, Windigos, of course, everybody thinks that they look how they look. So in turn, if everybody thinks that's how it looks, if they see this creature that's actually a Windigo, they're gonna give it a new name because now that fits into a different category. So I honestly think pale crawlers are just the new name for Wendigos because people kept, like the visual for Wendigos was something totally different than what people are expecting realistically. So that's just how they report them. But it must scare the shit out of you when you see something like that crawling up at you. Right? Man, I we so we used to go to this place called Northville Psychiatric Hospital. And, actually, I'll just tell you my couple of stories from there because I got a shadow person story that kinda leads in from there, and then it follows up into the main story from there.
But we used to do urban exploring back when I was, like, 19 with my girlfriend I'm still with now. So we used to go to just any place we could realistically get into, but we went to, like, the Detroit House of Corrections and stuff. So it was, like, an old prison. We went to Eloise Asylum for anybody that's familiar with what that is in Michigan. It's supposed to be one of, like, the more haunted places. And then the main one we used to always go to was North Hills Psychiatric Hospital because this one, first of all, wasn't just one building. It was a full campus. So it had, like, you know, boys dorm, a girls dorm, a giant gym area. It had, like, the the church and everything. It had the main hospital itself. Like, it was a huge area. So we got to the point where we go almost every weekend, and we check out and explore new buildings in this place. And you just had to kinda come in through the back because there's a police station right next door. So you just had to be smart about the way you went in there, of course, because it's technically trespassing, but, you know so we're going to this place. And just like, you know, when you take pictures, when you're, like, picking your paranormal investigating slash urban exploring, you get, like, orbs and things like that. But the hard part with these old buildings sometimes is that, you know, you wanna believe that it's an orb, but sometimes it's honestly just dust particles. I mean, it's gotta be a combination of the 2. So we do that kind of stuff, and we were never exactly 100% sure. I mean, we went to the chapel and stuff. There's some weird lights and everything, but not anything that I would 100% say yes when I like, this is definitely an orb. Like, it still kinda has the idea. There might be some dust because it was a really old kinda torn up beat up building. But we started exploring this place, before I learned, like, the rules of the paranormal and how you investigate and stuff, I was just some guy urban exploring. You know, I I'd find cool stuff there, and I ended up bringing it back with me. So one particular thing I found was this no smoking sign, and then the other thing I found was this little tiki head, but the tiki head was made out of, Styrofoam. So it almost looked like and it was painted. So it almost looked like, no. You're you're in a mental institution. They can't give big people, like, wood and knives to, like, whittle and stuff. Right. So if you give them, like, pieces of Styrofoam, they can kinda just cut at and paint it. Like, it almost looked like a craft that I assumed that it may maybe a patient made it because he was just sitting in one of the offices and stuff. And, so I ended up taking it home just because I thought it was really cool.
So we got back. We unpacked our bags and everything upstairs, came downstairs. And the way our front room was set up at the time, there's, like, the front room, and then there's 2 doorways, and on the other side is the kitchen. So it's, like, a full kinda you can wrap all the way around kind of a thing. So I'm sitting at the base of bottom of the stairs. Well, staying at the bottom of the stairs, and my girlfriend's standing there, and she's about to go into the kitchen to go and get something to eat. So she takes off diagonal across, and there's a couch against that wall that's spread next to the kitchen. And as she goes to walk across, we both make direct eye contact with this dark shadowy figure that was in the shape of a human, and it was pitch black already in the front room. So this thing was darker than dark. Wow. And she just moment of fear staring at it, walks right past this thing, loops back around the other side. We both make eye contact and look back. By then, the thing's already gone.
So this is when I started honestly, like, my deeper investigations into, like, how to go about paranormal investigating and stuff. And the first thing that I could relate it to was things like this will attach themselves to objects. So I assume that it probably came from that tiki ad, if not the no smoking sign. So So no matter what, I was planning on bringing them both back. But for the sake of it, I assumed that it was the tiki head that this thing may have been attached to. Right. But the other weird part is, that same night, my girlfriend was not aware of any of my weird astral traveling experiences, like, leaving my body.
So I'm sitting up watching TV. She goes to sleep. She has a dream that she's in her hallway and that up upstairs, and something runs up behind her and pushes her down the stairs. As that happens, I hear something fall down the stairs. She springs up and looks at me, and she goes, oh, I just had a dream. I fall down the stairs. I was like, that's weird because I just heard something fall down the stairs. So she started freaking out because this house already had, like, a weird paranormal history with mainly just hearing footsteps steps and stuff. Nothing, like, super crazy, but just kind of, like, the weird creepy stuff where nobody would be upstairs and hear your footprints and just stuff like that. And, so after that, like I said, I hadn't actually told her about any of my experiences, so I ended up having to, like, explain to her the whole idea of, like, astro traveling and this whole connection that I've had with, like, these shadow people that watch me when I have sleep paralysis and, astro travel, again, from the time that I was a kid.
So fast forward a little bit when we have to re return those objects. This may be something that links into the possible wimigo slash creature sighting, but I'm not a 100% sure. So I always like to add into the story because it's definitely unidentified, and it's definitely encrypted in its own means in the state. So I live in Michigan. And Michigan, we don't have cougars and stuff, especially now where I'm at because I'm down in lower Michigan where we we we're pretty much Detroit City. Like, we don't have that kind of stuff down here. So there's one day that we're in the we're in Northville, and we're probably up on, like, the 3rd floor or something like that. I'm looking down out of the window and off the tree line, I see this cougar walk out. And the weird part about it was the fact that it looked directly up at us, and my girlfriend's friend saw it too. And she's like, is that what I think it is? And I'm like, yeah. That is a cougar. And it looked right at us, and then it linked back into the woods. So the scary part was our car was on the other side of those woods, so we would have had to pass through in order to get back to the car. So we ended up doing is going up and around and walked basically, like, 2 miles around because we didn't wanna take the chance of accidentally running into this thing. Right. And just because it was totally out of place, not something you see in this area. Like, it's all suburban area. Like, there's not really a lot of woods and stuff in this area.
And, I looked into it, and there's apparently a couple of cougar sightings, but nobody ever found a body of a of a cougar, and nobody ever actually found the cougar. There's just a couple of residents of Northville that had mentioned that they had seen a cougar in this somewhat in this area. So that was kinda weird, especially the fact that it looked up at us. So leading into the kind of main encounter with this place, so we got to the point we had everything completely mapped out. We knew every single building. We'd go there almost every weekend. We, like we're I don't wanna say professionals at it, but we would watch people get, like, arrested for sneaking into this place while we're sitting up on the roof because we knew where to go. We knew how to get around and stuff. We knew which doors were welded shut so you can find us in there. So we decided that we're gonna kinda take it to the next level. And the only reason that we hadn't actually done this before was because we were scared of running out of batteries in our flashlights, things like that. So Yeah. There's these tunnels underneath Northville, and they call them the Northville tunnels. And they used to use them for transferring patients at this hospital, so it'd go to the multiple locations and things. But it also went beyond the city because they also used it as, like, a you know, they use it as, like, a bomb shelter, I believe. That was the original means for it. It was just supposed to be a tunnel system that was supposed to, like, interconnect, different points of the city.
So everybody talks about these tunnels, now haunted these tunnels are. So we're gonna check them out, and we just kinda run-in with a couple flashlight batteries. And we're like, alright. We're just gonna go in there a little bit, and then we're gonna come back out just because we've already kinda seen this place, and we'll kinda get a feel for it. Right. So we end up going we know that there's an entrance to these tunnels down in the basement of Northville. So we end up going in one day, and we go do our normal exploring for the day. As soon as it starts getting dark, that's when we decided to go and do the tunnels because why not? We already figured we'd have the daylight for looking at the buildings, and underground, it was dark gonna be dark anyways. So Right. We end up going down into the basement. And when we first walk into the basement, to the right, there's this brick wall.
And it looks like not like somebody knocked the bricks out, like, just vandals doing it, but it looked like somebody kinda removed bricks to make, like, a doorway in this wall down in the basement of the hospital. Oh. So we're looking straight ahead, and I know the tunnel's entered there, but I want to peek in this room. So as we're walking on the stairs, I go to turn into this room, and I look into this room. As soon as I look into this room, I hear this voice that's this disembodied voice over in my right ear, and it says, Ryan. And as I hear that, I saw this metal, like, the hospital gurdy, like, the carts. Right. That's on the other side of the the back of this room. And as I heard that voice say that, I saw this thing that started to stand up from behind that, and it had this bluish gray decaying skin color. It was, like, tall and lanky, not shaped like a normal person, not like a, oh, you see it for a second and you misidentified a person. Like, this thing was, like, taller than a person. It was tall and lanky. It was this decaying color, and it had this long black greasy hair on the top of its head.
And as I saw this thing stand up, I just took off running and went up the stairs. My girlfriend I didn't tell them. I just said run. They were running with me because it was my girlfriend and her friend. So we shake up up of out the stairs, go down, and then the best way to get out from that area was you gotta go through the morgue because that's where the other doors are all to shut on the one side, so you gotta walk through the morgue. So as we're leaving, my girlfriend's taking pictures of this thing, and I can send you the pictures after the show, actually. But I didn't tell them what I'd actually seen until we got out of the place because I didn't wanna, you know, startle freak anybody out. You know, I'd rather just get out in the world explaining it later. Yeah. So she's just taking pictures like she normally does because she didn't know if it was, like, a ghost thing, something like that.
So we end up leaving. We go back to look at these pictures, and exactly in the pictures was exactly what I had seen, but it was translucent. Like, it almost had some type of, like, apparition spiritual factor to it. Right. And, again, I didn't know where to categorize this stuff for years, so I just kinda left it alone in the back of my head. I didn't wanna tell anybody about it besides my girlfriend because I didn't think anybody's gonna believe me. I didn't know what what to call it. It wasn't like a sasquatch encounter that I could tell somebody, oh, it's a sasquatch or it's a it's moth man or it's this or it's that. Right. It was just something that I didn't know anything about. And like I was talking to you a little bit about earlier in the show, I started looking up about it. And from exactly what I had seen and heard, like, I kept coming up with, like, Windigo, but the picture wasn't fitting right. So then I started looking at other things, and that's when I got to, like, the whole pale crawler and the whole rake concept.
And that's when I actually started diving into it more as I ended up telling this story to, somebody on a podcast, and they started connecting pieces and saying, like, oh, do you have Cherokee heritage? Do you have this? Do you have that? So I started connecting pieces with the Wendigo folklore with what I had experienced with this thing. And I ended up actually doing a full series about it and just diving a little bit more into it and just all the pieces connected. And one of the main things was the fact that they say from the 1st snowfall to the last snowfall, you have to fear the windy go because you don't know where it's gonna be because they stay out in the cold because they're they're decaying life form.
So one part of the legend is that they either go into caves or they go underground or they bury themselves during summer months, and this experience happened during the summer. And those tunnels, because they go underneath the city, like, they're deep, it was a good, like, 20, 30 degree difference going down in this basement. So it was definitely chilled down this basement even though it was hot upstairs. Right. So that part fit. And the fact that there's some sense of humans still to these things. Because the whole reason about how you become a Wendigo is if you resort to cannibalism. And when you get into other different folklore with it with other native tribes, there's something like the, which is where if you're too prideful, then you end up becoming the creature. But part of it is still that there's somewhat of there there's a spirit that comes into you and enters you, but then there's also part of yourself in it. So there's this internal struggle between this thing taking control of you and you trying to fight back. So there's a lot of old Native American stories about somebody will figure out the person's name that that's the wendigo.
And once they call that name, the wendigo will stop because it'll connect itself, and it'll remember who it was for a second, and it causes this lack of confusion. So the person I was talking to on the show had mentioned the fact that maybe because you were Cherokee, this thing took the chance to basically say go away before I can't control this thing, and that's what the disembodied voice was that I heard in my ear. Wow. I mean, it could be a Wendigo, could be some type of evil spirit regardless, but there was just something weird to it. And like I said, I end up digging more into the Windigo stuff, and I started realizing, like, why the image had changed. And I always like to add this part in when I tell the story just because I find it interesting. But Right. Just like a lot of the Native American stuff, you know, they take, like, these these grounds that are, like, like, ritual grounds or, like, sacred grounds, And they'll call them, like, the devil's teapot, the devil's this, the devil's that. It's from all the colonists and everybody coming over. And then as soon as they came through, they were, you know, taking the Christian aspects, and they were looking at the native traditions as pagan. So they just started calling it devil, devil this, devil that, devil that. Right. So then as they were also hearing these stories from them, they had to add that same twist to it. So just like a lot of, like, the demonizing stuff, like, you add, like, horns, you add this, like, pagan realistic feel to it. And that's what they did with the wendigo was the modern depiction of the wendigo didn't start until, like, white settlers and started retelling these tales, and they added their kind of Christian demon kind of flare to it. Right. The way it was originally described was that it was, like, this zombie like creature that would eat its lips to the point where it it would be so hungry that it would eat its own lips. And with every single meal that it would eat, it become bigger and become just more hungry. So it's basically, like, an unquenchable hunger, and it would just consume you. And this thing just gets bigger and bigger, and it's just this tall, lanky, zombie like creature.
So once I started actually diving back, it was like I realized that all the pieces connected.
[00:21:36] Unknown:
Right. You you must be a great fan of supernatural TV show.
[00:21:41] Unknown:
I actually watched just about that whole show. I didn't watch the last season, and I'm kinda weird with shows like that because I'll really enjoy a show, but I'll never I'll always do this thing where I, like, will push off watching the last season or the very last episode because it's like I enjoyed the show, and I don't wanna see the end. But then I never end up coming back around to it, so it's like, I'll watch 12 seasons of a show and just not watch that last episode. It's just this mental blocker in my brain sometimes about just finally wrapping up and finishing a show. Like, it's hard. You know? I know what you, I know what you mean. I had that with a lot of shows, but, somehow my girlfriend pointed out, like, you gotta see Supernatural. The way they connect,
[00:22:19] Unknown:
they connected in the scenes with folklore and all that stuff. And the things that come in, The show is really good. And I started to look at it like maybe a half year ago, and I couldn't stop watching.
[00:22:34] Unknown:
And then That's where I'm at with X Files again right now because Yeah. Same thing. It kinda has, like, the same kind of you know, just a different premise. They're FBI agents versus, like, monster hunters, but the folklore and the backgrounds, they kinda use it the same. So it's like, I love both shows for the same reason, but my my kick lately has been x files. That's why I've been back on again.
[00:22:52] Unknown:
But, after, after an experience like that, you didn't stop to explore all these haunted houses and stuff like that. Right? So I could imagine that that some kind of,
[00:23:05] Unknown:
experience like that could, freak you out. You know? See, I was curious what it was, and I wanted to, like, I I, like, had this hankering in my head that I wanted to go back, but at the same time, it's like I didn't want to. But the weird part about it was would hurt you? I so this there's the other weird part about it. They ended up tearing down Northville Psychiatric Hospital because there was 2 people or a couple people that had fallen down the elevator shaft somehow. And from all the times that I'd been in it, those doors were, like, cracked. Like, you would add to, like, slide your body through this thing. Uh-huh. So with a lot of this weird stuff and you see it all the time with, like, Sasquatch and stuff, like the DNR and everything where they'll say, like, there's a bear sighting in this area. Don't go over there. And then you'll have DNR agents that'll say, like, yeah. We recognize that Sasquatch is a possibility and things like that. Like, I think that a lot of these cities are aware of certain things or at least they're aware of the fact that something weird and anomalous is happening, so they act on it without making it obvious because they tore this place down, and they turned it into a park, which is really, really weird because it seems like they tear down a lot of haunted abandoned places and end up turning them into parks for some reason. Like, I've noticed this Don't go there at night.
Yes. Exactly. Because who knows what's still under the ground? The tunnels still exist. They go all the way around the city. Even if they tore down Northfield, there's still the tunnels down down there.
[00:24:26] Unknown:
Yeah. But it's it's the same thing. Like, there's no space and there's no time. But I think, and I talked about it with Nathaniel Jiddis, he's going to hop on a part 2, the demonologist. I think when something happens in, like say, let's say, I will be murdered in this place on a brutal way, and my spirit can't find any, resurrection or rest or whatever, I'm gonna haunt this place. Even if they tear it down, I'm still here because, buildings and stuff like that don't matter to a spirit, an evil spirit. And that's why I think it's very, that people are living in houses, you know, oh, beautiful house, blah, blah, blah, blah, they see it on day night.
But, I would really prefer to dig into a house like a few days, how it feels, how it resonates. No cracking on the floor at night. No, you know? Probably you're a big fan of, Dark Ghost and, Tim Moritzov on YouTube because they doing also these, haunted exploring stuff with witch houses and stuff like that. And, especially in Russia and in Poland, where there were complete villages that called, the village of the dead. So when shimmering falls, so when when, sundown is is, activated, some real shit is happening, man. That's and you can't deny because they film it, and you can see it's not trickery. And, what's your take on on, on these entities? Are they, like, from the same dimension and we have to look at them up?
Or can they show themselves when we are in their neighborhood? Yeah. What's your take on that?
[00:26:27] Unknown:
There's a few different, aspects you can kinda go down with this one. And kinda funny this guy brought up because I think I was just talking about this with somebody the other day too. So you have, like, the whole residual haunting concept where I believe that there's something that can be so traumatic that can echo through time. And that's, like, with a lot of these, like, ghostly experiences that, like you were saying, it doesn't matter if you tear down the the building. They'll still react like they're still in those same places, which are where you have a lot of the things where they'll, like, tear down a wing of, like, a hotel, and there'll be a lady that'll go through the wall where the old wing used to be because they're this is residual. It's still reoccurring that spot. It's not that they're intelligent ghosts. It's just that it's a reoccurring moment that happened through time. And I honestly think this goes both ways. And I've been trying to do a little bit more research into it, so I've been asking a lot of people about it that come on the show.
But, like, the old saloons, for example, everybody talks about how those are haunted, but they usually hear music. They'll hear drinks. They'll hear people talking and stuff. So one thing that I've wondered is if it can go both ways that something so bad can happen somewhere that it ends up echoing through time. Also, so many good times can be had somewhere that can also echo through time. Because if people are always having a good time at this bar, they're playing music, they're hanging out. We hear this, and we assume that it's something scary because we're hearing this disembodied music coming from nowhere. So we assume that, like, it's haunted. Something awful happened here, but I think it goes both ways. Like, I I honestly think that in happy places, the same thing can happen. Right. And getting into, like, a little bit more, like, intelligent ghosts and stuff, I mean, I definitely think that there's there's a couple different ways you can come at it. You can come at it from, of course, like, the the ghostly realm means where maybe they're in some type of, like, purgatory where if you get into dimensional shifts in different dimensions, I kinda feel like this there's, like, the biblical idea of purgatory, of course, but then I think that there's also a scientific version of purgatory where if there are multiple realities stacked on top of each other Mhmm. I think it's possible that things can get stuck in between 2 realities.
Right. So they're not fully in this reality, and they're also not fully in the other reality. So I think that there's, like, this linear point that things can sometimes get stuck in, and that's what some of these intelligent hauntings are. But on the other side of it, again, there's a couple different theories you can go into with this one. I also think that it's definitely possible that they could be something that's existing in a different dimension Mhmm. Or maybe at different points in time because I've also heard a bunch of different stories where somebody was sitting on the couch and they're a kid and they saw this, dark figure come down the staircase, and it freaked them out. And they always remembered that. And then later on in life, they were older living in the same house, walked down the staircase, and they saw this dark shadowy kid looking figure sitting on the couch. So I've heard, like, a bunch of stories like that where it could almost be an echo through time that you're it's you're seeing both sides of yourself.
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Like, yeah. Some of these, like Like a glitch from yourself like a computer game?
[00:29:23] Unknown:
Almost. Yeah. Like like, if time isn't necessarily winning or time is just something that's within our fabricated reality as a construct Exactly. Doesn't mean that those laws exist in other places. So something that we're looking at as a glitch in our reality may not necessarily be a glitch, but just something that can't be processed properly into our reality because it's something that exists on a higher frequency or in another place. Because when you get involved dimensional aspect of things, I definitely think that there's multiple dimensional connections to you yourself. Like, I think that you exist within multiple realities.
It's just a matter of you have a focal point reality, but that doesn't mean that you're not existing as maybe a blorp in the realities above and maybe as, like, a lower form, like, flat version of yourself that the other things that are in a lower dimension can or necessarily process. And that kinda goes both ways where, you know, with a lot of these entities that people see such as angels, for example, like, the biblical definition of what they look like is, like, you know, the spinning wheels with the flames and the eyes and everything like that, and then they show themselves as a human to us with wings. I think that those things are things that exist in a a dimension above, and that's something that's what they would look like in their reality or at least the past aspects that we can see. And the reason why it doesn't make sense is because we're not seeing that full piece of what this thing actually looks like. It's just like that experiment where if something's in the water and there's a ball above the water, the things that are in the water are seeing that as a giant circle. But if you're outside of the water, then you see it as a sphere because you have to exist within that different medium to be able to see the full constructual shape of something properly. Mhmm. And I think that that's something that happens a lot with a lot of these entities, ghosts, things like that is that there's something that we're not necessarily seeing their full form because we're only seeing a split piece of something that's existing and had mentioned higher than us, possibly lower than us, or like I said with some of the ghost stuff, kind of in between where they're half in our world and half in upper, in another elevated dimension over there. Right.
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And and that that's also a little bit with, astral projection, right? You're you're you're into your own reality, but you're, seeing another dimension.
[00:31:39] Unknown:
Exactly. Like, at least with my experiences that I had, I'd, like, see myself sleeping. So it was like I was existing as my astral self, but I was still within this reality. But I definitely think that there's the idea that something that's from a higher reality might be able to go to a lower reality. Uh-huh. And maybe that's kind of what we see is that there is this astral plane reality, which might be the dimension that's above us, but that doesn't mean that you can't spectate in the dimension below because I definitely think that because we we interact with 2 dimension. Mhmm. Just because we don't understand how we're reacting with it doesn't mean that it's not the next step up because, I mean, getting into the whole DMT concept, everybody talks about these machine elves that create reality through speech and all of this kind of stuff. If that's the next dimension above us, just like how we create the 2 d dimension, they could be creating our dimension without even realizing it, how they're connecting to our reality.
Right.
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If you're going to explore a building, or a haunted place, what are the 3 most necessary things you need to have with you to explore a place like that?
[00:32:44] Unknown:
3? Yeah. I usually bring a pack, but I'm gonna try to think of the most important 3. Number 1, not just a normal headlight or not just normal flashlight, but a headlamp. Those are those are the best way to go because then it's hands free. Any direction you look in, you can see, and then you can also cover it real quick if you need to, you know, if you're in a place that you're not necessarily supposed to be. Right. And then, depending on, of course, what your intentions are there as far as, like, if you're paranormal investigating, you're just going there for fun. No matter what, you gotta bring some type of recording device or a camera. So either a video camera or a picture camera, just something to document either one, just the cool places that you're seeing or possibly something supernatural.
And then on the other side past that, as far as, like, if you're just exploring it for fun, definitely bring some type of mask or ventilation because a lot of these old buildings are covered in, like, asbestos and, like, lead paint and all this other stuff. So that's definitely a good safety precaution. But if you're on the paranormal investigating side, then, of course, you wanna bring your paranormal investigating, to go kit. That probably be exhibit that has something a little bit But make sure you bring your kit with you, too, of course.
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Right. So what are other, devices or stuff that you would bring in your dugout bag for, haunting, exploring, missions?
[00:34:03] Unknown:
So for these ones I used to go on at least, let's see. In the normal backpack, I would always bring, some type of black dark bandana, usually just so I could cover my face if I needed to. You know? Oh. And, some type of mask. Usually, I would bring, like, the paint masks, the ones with, like, the respirators and stuff on it because those, you know Dust. Endemic masks aren't really doing no good for nobody. They're not covering you from asbestos or anything. So Right. You gotta wear an actual, like, ventilator. That was definitely a good one. Multiple batteries and flashlights. So headlamps always the best one, but make sure you grab multiple types of flashlights. Because if one dies, you have other ones. We need them for different things. You know, you wanna bring, like, a beam light. You wanna bring some type of lantern light, some kinda headlamp.
And then, of course, like I said, you're, recording equipment and everything like that too. And then I would always bring, like, a first aid kit, of course, because you never know what might happen, especially if you're climbing through these old buildings and stuff. Somebody wear your Wi Fi something or you have to run. Yes. Definitely make sure you have some type of, like, first aid kit. Most probably important piece of that first aid kit is alcohol just in case you do cut yourself on something in one of these old buildings. Oh, yeah. That's right. Sterilize that stuff quick. Sterilize. Edwin,
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I think that's one of the most, common stories about people that go into, buildings like, haunted buildings with the batteries, right? It's going to drain your battery just like that. Even if it's going to be 100%, just like your camera battery, you walk into like a hall or something like that, and all of a sudden, wow, battery dead or camera shuts down. So these entities, they have quite some power. But do you think that also some, human psyche, the psychology of having fear. I think you feed them with your fear. But once you overcome that fear, that you can maybe communicate with them.
Although, I'm not I'm not a guy like Yuuija Board and stuff like that, I never did that. I think there are multiple multiple dimensions, as you mentioned. I have encountered some strange things in the past, out of body experience twice. But I knew that it was my soul trying to, yeah. Going going up probably, but I still had a choice to get back in my body again.
[00:36:39] Unknown:
So you had near death experiences then? Yeah. Like, 2 of them? Yeah. Wow. When I have you come on my show, unless you wanna tell them on your show, man, like, I love hearing near death experiences. You'll definitely have to tell me about those. Yeah. I'll I'll I'll definitely will. At once, I had an experience,
[00:36:53] Unknown:
we were smoking some pot, but we were not like, you know, seeing stupid things. We were just potheads. And we were bicycling through some, some fields like agriculture and stuff like that. And they were sitting a hare, a peasant, and a crow, something like that, like a big bird. And they were watching with the backs towards me to point out to the to, well, in the fields. Right? So I stopped with my bicycle together with 2 friends. Like, what the hell is that? Why are these 3 animals that are not normal together sitting there in the grass, looking at something that we can't see, that make no sense.
So, after just a few seconds, some things start to, like, like a wire. And there was this golden little light, just like a spark, in the middle of these three animals. And just like, oh, you know what? That probably would be a fly that goes against this, I don't know what the threat, like a high voltage, high voltage, thing that they spread for cows and stuff like that, that they can't go out of the- Oh, like the wire cattle prod fencing and stuff? Yes, that one. So, I jumped off my bike, and, the animals looked around and just walked away there. Not like, oh my god, humans, but they did their thing on easy going.
But the more I walked through the field, the more I saw and realized there wasn't any fence at all. It was like 100 of meters, just like nothing. And I had the same experience, I think it's about 2 years ago when I was taking a hike at, not at midnight, but it was, like, sunset, so 10:30 in the evening at our time. And all of a sudden, I don't know why, but my eye caught something in the field. And I was trying to identify what it was and there there was this, same, orange flashing little light, like someone did that lights a lightener in the dark, just a, there was something like that. But it was, all across the road, just like it was bumping up and down. And when I went up to it, gone, and there was nothing. Just like I couldn't think about something that would have, done that.
So yeah.
[00:39:50] Unknown:
I mean, when you dive into just Europe in general, man, you guys have so much history on the land that it's like think about how many battles have been forgotten about on lands that you see, like, these weird apparition looking things. You see lights in the middle of fields and things. I mean, those could be, like, soldiers from different points in time trying to find their way back home with, like, their lanterns and stuff. I mean, when you get into, like, the when the United States, at least, you have all, like, the old Native American stuff, but you guys have, like, documented just wars, battles, all this crazy stuff that's happened. So, again, it's like layers upon layers upon layers of history over there. Like, I I wouldn't be shocked if almost every bit of the land in Europe is haunted to some extent.
[00:40:32] Unknown:
Yeah, for sure. And I went to Ireland, which is not Europe, but it's Ireland. And they have the fairies. Everybody's talking about a green fairy. That's also a drink, of course. But, there's a documentary on YouTube about a guy that has some lands, and he said, a lot of travelers come here and they're backpacking, and they wanna sleep under that tree because it's a beautiful side of my land. But I always tell them, don't do that because of the fatties at night. And, a lot of people were giggling just like, oh, yeah, come on, what can happen? And everyone, every single one knocked on his door, half past 12, like afraid as shit.
Just like you, and just as you mentioned, I think that we're layers on layers on layers of civilizations that are packed. And I think, Graham Norton, and Randall Carlson pointed it out on the Joe Rogan Show about if you go deeper on the layers of the surface, archaeology says only like so many meters, then you will be noticed. Do you go beyond that meters? There's no go. So you don't know what's there because even if you would explore it, people will tell that you're crazy. The thing is, if you're into the mud floods and all the stuff that could happen to Earth, let's say the disasters that could happen to Earth, it could be very suitable that there are layers and layers and layers of multiple civilizations stacked up together with all the stuff that's been happening there, right? Because I think every single being where you say like, okay, I got a beautiful piece of land. You can build a house that you want, you can have, like, 20 acres, everything, but it's on a graveyard.
I think nobody wants to build their house there, even if it's for free. Right?
[00:42:44] Unknown:
Depends on who it is, I guess, and what type graveyard it is. Oh, you would, you would, right?
[00:42:51] Unknown:
Oh, man. Oh, man. What's the most intriguing story that you heard from your guests on your podcast that you thought, wow, I wish I experienced that, or I want to know more about that kind of story.
[00:43:06] Unknown:
Honestly, one of the best ones I mean, there's a lot, really hard ones to pick. It depends on what kind of category you wanna get into. But one of the best ones recently is actually our mutual friend, Shane, with, his experiences with that shadow being type creature that literally, like, pulled his consciousness out of his body and, like, threw it back on the floor because he kept trying to mess with it. Like, that's one of those stories that it's like, you don't wanna put yourself in that person's shoes because I don't really want my consciousness thrown out of my body and also learning my lesson at least just with that tiki head, man. Like, I'm not trying to, you know, piss off any spirits or entities or nothing like that, but by far, man, that was one of probably the most interesting paranormal stories that I've had on my podcast.
But if you wanna get into some of the other ones at least, I I might as well, I guess, touch the ringer on a little bit of each of them, I guess. One of the most interesting stories as far as UFO stuff goes is I've had a couple people on that have talked about it, but one of the most interesting was, this guy named Beyond Top Secret Texan, talking about his 20 and back where, essentially, what that is is that they'll take you at a certain age, and then you'll live out 20 years, and then they'll throw you back into your body at that age. And they'll try to basically somewhat, like, wipe your memories.
And, basically, from what his experiences were that he was in, like, the galactic, like, military. And then when he came back, he ended up joining the military, and he pretty much said that they tried to line up these events so that they were close to the things that had happened so that it would confuse him back and forth on whether or not these this 20 back actually happened or not. But, like, one of the common things that I've heard with everybody that's on the 20 and back, for anybody that believes that's just an outlandish ridiculous concept, is that all of them, without me for asking unprovoked, is they all come back to the their 7 year old body, for example, and they'll be drawn to, like, 30 year old women, and they just, like, won't understand why, especially considering that they're, like, 7. They don't have that, like, sexual urge like that yet, but they have it. And they have all these, like, memories that are, like, layered in their head that they can't quite fully dive into.
And, another person I had on the head of 20 and back, and he was in the process of running his books when NASA discovered these white buildups on I don't remember what planet it was. It was one of the ones in our solar system, but he's basically said that during his 20 and back, he was basically a mechanic on the, series, Starship, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Uh-huh. And he basically said that they would go past this planet and they would watch these giant sodium glacier or not geysers just blow off onto the planet and everything. So he's writing his book, and NASA's trying to figure out what these were. He was pretty much saying they're they're sodium. They're salt. He's like, we used to watch these things. And the guy who was writing the book with him or, you know, was his publisher or whatever is like, do you really wanna make a statement like that just in case you're wrong? It's gonna throw your whole book out of the out of the water. Right. He's like, no. It's sodium. It's salt. I 100% can tell you that's what it is because we used to watch them. And he ended up being right that it was sodium buildup, and it was creating giant, geysers from sodium buildup. And so, like, that was super interesting because there's just these weird little connecting pieces when it comes into, like, the 20 backslash, like, UFO stuff that it sounds outlandish when you first hear the stories. But once you hear enough of them and you realize that there's all these commonalities Mhmm. Beyond people that have never talked to each other and they're all, like, small experiencers that, you know, aren't collecting all, like, the big main stories. Just these weird little, like, subtle things will kinda trickle through. It kinda makes, like, the whole phenomenon a lot more believable.
And at least for society now, man, I feel like paranormal, of course, is always gonna be something that people are interested in, but the most I dig in all these things. I definitely believe there's a possibility of all of them, but definitely the most probable is life existing somewhere else in the galaxy. So, like, the UFO stuff, man, I don't think that's too far off. And then getting into some of the sasquatch ones, I've actually heard 2 people tell this story, but I put myself in the shoes of this because there's this movie called, Willow Creek where there's a scene where they're Yeah. Sitting in the tent, and they have, like, all the rocks and and everything getting thrown at the tent and everything.
I've had 2 people that have come on the show, and they've talked about how they were in their tents, and they were squatching. 1 of them was squatching. No one wasn't even trying to do a squash hunt or nothing like that. And the one of them had an experience where the Sasquatch put its hand on the side of the tent and pushed it in almost to, like, where the guy was and then let go, and then he heard it just run off. And then the other one, the thing was throwing rocks at his tent, and he pretty much, like, grabbed the tent from the both poles on the sides and, like, shook it. And then after that, the guy yelled, and the thing ran off, but he, like, ripped up the tent and left a bunch of, like, footprints and everything around the guy's tent when this experience happened. So, yeah, just putting myself in that position, man. It's one thing when you can see it across the field, but but that whole concept of something scarier when you can't see it, but especially if you know what it is. Because if you're in the middle of BFE Woods, there's no way around for miles and miles. What the hell else is there with big feet big bare feet running around, leaving footprints Put your hands. You know, with an animal, just put your hand up. Right?
And pushing the hand in. I mean, you can see the size of the hand. I mean shit. The guy it it was, like, bright it was moonlight, so it's like you can still kinda see somewhat of a silhouette through it. And it's like, no human is gonna be in the middle of the woods pushing on somebody's tent. That's how you get shot. I mean, at least in the US, man. Like, if you push on somebody's
[00:48:43] Unknown:
10 in the middle of the night Oh, shit. Probably gonna get greeted with a shot. You're gonna smile me for miles. But the thing is, of course, a lot of these things happen during the night. And there's, of course, a very powerful source like the moon, and on the daylight, it's the sun, of course. So, there's some duality going on with the light and the dark. Do you think there's a connection? Because, would you also experience, like, haunted things if you go explore haunted buildings in the on the middle of the day?
[00:49:23] Unknown:
I mean, here's, like, a on somewhat on the spot theory here. So when it comes to, like, residual hauntings, right, our planet isn't always in the same spot, technically. And in turn basically records these events like a VHS. And if you're looking at it from that aspect, that means that it's physically attached to the earth. So no matter where the earth is located at, it's gonna be in the same spot. But when it comes to there being certain nights with a lot more activity, I definitely think that there's a possibility that depending on where the Earth itself is sitting in space itself, there might be thin spots within the veil. Right. Maybe only at certain times, certain times a year, like, those hauntings only happen on, like, one particular day, one particular time and stuff.
I wonder if it's, like, a matter of they shift into a certain place, and it's actually a matter of there being thin spots within reality, within, like, the solar system itself.
[00:50:27] Unknown:
Like lined up on that specific moment of time. Just like a VHS recorder in the old days, when you had a program and you skipped a program and you recorded over it, that you saw a glimpse of that old program coming through. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fascinating because
[00:50:49] Unknown:
what's time anyway, right? It's only a human construct. I mean, Yeah. Down to its roots, like it's a 100% human construct. It's just nonsense.
[00:50:57] Unknown:
Because I can say, oh, I need to know what time it is, but we are now podcasting. And for listeners that listening to that podcast or to this podcast within a year or 2 year or 5 years or tomorrow, they still listen to this podcast. It's still there in their time. Exactly. Just in general, man. Just time is just
[00:51:22] Unknown:
Nothing. A 100%. Yeah. It's completely only was made up by humans for the aspect of knowing when to do things in particular. So it was like, if I go to work, when to go to work, when to do this, when to do that. But, I mean, even time itself works different within different places within the solar system. Like, time only works in the aspect that we define it in on the planet Earth because we go by 24 hour periods, with 60 sec 60 minutes, 60 seconds. Mhmm. That construct only works with the way that Earth itself is sitting, and even that slips. That's why we end up getting leap year and stuff where you have to add the extra day to have time balance back out. Right. So just going to another solar system, not even, like, some planet of the eights type thing where, like, oh, 10 years is gonna pass here when you're up in space. Just in general, like, the time is going to move different. The days are different. The hours are different.
[00:52:09] Unknown:
It's a 100% a human construct that only works on this planet. Right. And just like you said, when somebody has been grabbed out of their body and they have an experience of 30 years in the military in another space and time, But it could be a second, or maybe 5 minutes, or half an hour for us
[00:52:28] Unknown:
as recognition of time. You know, just like Even looking at dreams, same same thing. Right. I mean, even going into the fae world, I mean, you're bringing up fairies a little bit too. Anytime anybody goes into the fae world, it'll be like, you know, they'll feel like they're there for 5 minutes, and the person will be missing for, like, a month and then just show up again one day.
[00:52:46] Unknown:
Right. But same with gaming, you know, when you while you are into the game, your time just, like when you go to work, sometimes it it just, like,
[00:52:58] Unknown:
Mhmm. Because time is also a matter of perception.
[00:53:02] Unknown:
Of course. Everything is perception. But, I listening to, well, I normally don't listening to my podcast episodes, but I listen to one, with Milton because I was going to visit him in Vegas, Oh, not in Vegas, in Los Angeles. I'm sorry. And I was listening to the one that I did with Alex Pauls. Colin Wright, you had him also on the show, right, from, Newton Blasdon Field, right? Yep, look, Colin, he's a good guy. Yeah. I love this guy, man. And he has some strange encounters too, and he draw books. And so people that are listening, get his book. I will try to get it on a show description.
[00:53:41] Unknown:
You got his book? Yes, I do. I was trying to get the The side one? Yeah. Through a Glass, Unveiled. Exactly. Through a glass. Yep. Through a glass unveiled by Joseph Conroy. Yep. I gotta sign one. He left me a full page of awesome, just an extra little doodle and stuff in there for Yeah. And he saw a lot of things that, that that, yeah, that people encounter that aren't on your show and the things, the topics that you are very
[00:54:05] Unknown:
interested in, about. And the thing is, just like you said, it's what is time anyways? Right? So it's very strange that, why do things occur like a poltergeist at that time of the day only or on that, week or a month? Because it's like what you said about the VHS recorders. It's taped then and the time aligns perfectly with that moment. And the strange thing is just like you said with dreams, I can imagine my dreams that they were taken, like, very long, you know, just like that I woke up sweaty, oh, my God, always slept today, you know, stuff like that. So, what's your perception of reality anyways?
[00:54:59] Unknown:
I mean, I always go back to simulation theory. Like, I I'm definitely one of those people. And whether you believe in that from the aspect of it being, like, a straight computer grow program or something that's just been organically developed. I usually call it some type of, like, organic simulation because, realistically, we're creating AI. We're creating virtual worlds inside of a world. So we're only a couple steps away from trying to add AI slash con the next step being consciousness into, like, video games. So who's to say that that hasn't been done multiple times? Mhmm. And that we're actually in something that somebody else created as some form of a simulation or simply they knew how to make a biological simulation, and they just wanna see if they could do it. I mean, no different from the people. If we could create a little box that had a mini world in it or a mini universe, you know, people would definitely do that. They try to play God with that kind of stuff. So I always go back to us being something like that. And if that is the case, I feel like it explains a good amount of of the phenomenon because you can always bring into the theory that either one, there's glitches in the system.
2, there's other realities that exist the same way as ours do, and sometimes they find ways to be able to come into other systems, almost like, you know, docking 2 video games together and having 2 connecting servers, you know. Or the other aspect is and I know a lot of people hate this theory, but I always find it fascinating. The whole orb concept is linked with paranormal. It's linked with UFOs. It's linked with cryptids, linked with all that kind of stuff. So if we live in some type of an organic simulation, assumably, there's something that's on the outside of it, but they're not just gonna view it just straight from the outside, of course. You're gonna wanna be able to go in and see it, interact, then spectate on it. So pretty much to say that these orbs might not be the spectators of whatever's outside, and they just choose what playable character they wanna be.
Or on the other side of it, there is another life form that exists on this planet, but we know everything is carbon based, so we don't know how to define a life that is not carbon based. So if there is some type of a life force or some type of something else that exists that that doesn't exist in the same matter or form that we do. Right. I completely can't understand it. And it seems like a lot of the time, these orbs and things will kinda be watching people, keeping people away from areas like stuff. World? Yeah. So, I mean, they they could literally just be these conscious things, and they just will take the shape of a sasquatch to scare somebody away from this area, take the shape of a ghost to scare somebody away from this area. Or on the other side, man, if it's spectators on the outside, why not just go into the game and just have fun, play some GTA? You know? Like, be a giant ape and just run through the woods and scare the hell out of all the all the characters in the game. Why not? Right.
[00:57:38] Unknown:
And we are, of course, living in very fascinating times because nowadays we have a lot of technology with us, like cameras, stuff like that, and and then telephone to record all these things. I know that, when YouTube came up when there was, like, 5 or 10, maybe 100, clips available. Nowadays, it's like 1,000,000,000, you know, a month, 1,000,000 have been uploaded. And a lot of stuff I think it started out a little bit with me with, the interest the interest and a little bit of scary stuff about, the Blair Witch project, which was, you know, it was so frightening and so, amateuristic filmed, but it creeped the shit out of you.
[00:58:27] Unknown:
That started like a whole era of a new film style. Because, I mean, I'm sure people did it here and there in the past, but that was the first, like, defining, like, first person lost footage style film. Oh, shit. Shit. Yeah. And the funny part about it was nothing crazy happened through it. It got you going the whole time, but it wasn't like pol like, paranormal activity where it, like, I was not a fan of those. I thought those movies were awful. Like, nothing happened, but it still kept you on the edge of your seat in a suspenseful way, not like in a disappointing way like paranormal activity where they just are like, alright. Silent scene. You're gonna stare at this for 10 minutes, and then this glass is gonna move. Right.
[00:59:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And be careful what you wish for, and especially with some so are you are you also, did some Ouija boards and stuff like that?
[00:59:14] Unknown:
Honestly, I have not messed with a Ouija board. Good for a good reason. Like, I know that there's, like, a 100 rules to these things, and I haven't looked through the giant list of rules yet. And it's one of those things that you create a connection. And once you open that connection, you have to know how to shut it down properly. Oh. But realistically, if you're playing Ouija, you could be calling for this, but it doesn't mean that that's what's gonna answer. You're essentially playing Omegle with spirits or, like, you know, one of the chat cam websites with spirits, but the problem is their camera ain't on, and now there's their microphone. You're communicating with them strictly through text. So they ain't gotta try to hide their voice. They ain't gotta try to put on a mask. They ain't gotta try to do nothing. They can just communicate through words, and they could literally be one of the most evil entities you could ever possibly imagine. They could come across and be saying that they're your grandma and start saying all these sweet kind things to you and, like, oh, just leave the gate open, and I'll just be around, and I'll just help you out around the house and this, like yeah. That's one of those things. It's the Ouija board, man. I know a lot of people have their fun with it, and all that people have weird experiences with it. But when it comes to opening gateways, it's one of those things that I'll go into a place, I guess, with a gateway already opened, I guess, for, like, a paranormal investigation.
But me, myself, I don't wanna be responsible for opening up a gateway, especially not you know, if there's already activity in an area, I mean, you could just be drawing more stuff in and not necessarily communicating with what's already there. Right. Oh,
[01:00:37] Unknown:
shit. But that that freaks me a little bit out because, I listened to the, to the story that Snake had to tell. He told it on my podcast and on several occasions also. And I think he was on your podcast too. Right? Yeah.
[01:00:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. It was, like, a month or 2 ago. Yeah, exactly.
[01:00:55] Unknown:
And, you know, yeah, he thought, okay, let me debunk this bullshit. And you know, Snake too, you know, he's just like, oh, these motherfuckers, let, get it on, until you, you know, be careful what you wish for because he had some really frightening, frightening, experience with it. Like like the the the shadow man that was trying to hide himself behind the blinders, but could see the the bulb and and the all that kind of stuff just like, holy shit. And I always knew that there is something more than just reality that we live in, so I don't want to mess with it
[01:01:40] Unknown:
also. Hey, you scream in the abyss enough, eventually it'll answer.
[01:01:44] Unknown:
Yeah. And especially what you see nowadays, when things go out, Okay, not every video that you see on YouTube is the real deal. But I like to see the channel, That's Impossible. And sometimes it pointed out also things that people are actually filming. Some things are are scary as hell. And we don't know nothing yet because, scientists say, like, oh, we, discover, like, 5% of the deep waters. Well, if you don't know what 100% is, how can you say there's only 5 percent that you covered? And I think that goes the same with our nature and fauna where we're living, where we're living in right now.
We don't know what's out there. That could be huge things, that could be small things, that could be, things that could orb like a human, or, I was talking about, about this with Nathaniel Jiddis. He said, some of these entities could eventually mirror you. So your girlfriend or your friend thinks he's telling you stuff, but it's the entity that took your form. Mhmm. Just like,
[01:02:59] Unknown:
holy crap. I've heard a few stories where actually, one woman in particular, this was, like, when I first started my podcast. It was somebody that had that happen, but they were taking the form of people that were still around, which is the creepiest part. And, basically, one of them said that their grandma was, like, walked past them and walked down the hallway, and she was just, like, in the middle of the night. She's like, what are you doing up, grandma? Are you okay, grandma? And then she looked down the hallway, and her grandma, like, turned back and looked at her and then just, like, started running with her at her on all fours and then just disappeared into, like, a mist. I was like, holy shit.
[01:03:35] Unknown:
Oh, you know, normally when you see things that aren't there, it's, for me, it's involved with the psychedelics like mushrooms, or LSD, or DMT, or smoking a really good joint, but I never saw anything like strange that I couldn't, pinch down. Like, okay, I saw something, but it's not supernatural. Right? I think that you have a very, nice, no, very nice job because you are, can you explain me what your job is?
[01:04:15] Unknown:
You talking about my my day job? Yeah. Your day job. My day job, actually. 4/20. Right?
[01:04:22] Unknown:
What was that? 4 20?
[01:04:25] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I was gonna say I've, been a cannabis grower in Michigan for the past, going on 6 or 7 years now. But before that, of course, you know, I was on the black market side of it. But Uh-huh. It's it's legal now in, Minnesota where you live? I'm in Michigan. Yeah. It's usually in Michigan. Yep. It's not federally legal. It's not even federally medically legal, but in Michigan, it's recreationally and medically legal. Good. We know we need more happy people.
[01:04:55] Unknown:
Right? We need more people. You know, the stuff is I never ever have seen an article in the newspapers about a coffee shop that people went bonanza and tried to kill or fight each other. Never Were you gonna see only the headlines of a bar brawl where people start to get drunk and, pleases into, you know, stuff like that, multiple times every single day.
[01:05:25] Unknown:
Yeah. You don't even bat an eye anymore when you hear that there was some kind of bar fight or somebody got shot at a bar, stuff like that. Like, Alcohol.
[01:05:33] Unknown:
Yep. That's exactly what it is. That's too bad. But, because I want I want to, be sure of your time, Shane, and I really appreciate that you hop on this organized production. And I'm going to be on your show too. I'm very excited for that. Hey, we can always come back for both rounds too. I can come back on your show again if you want. You can come on my show more than once too, so. Yeah, I already felt like a good connection. But we're like now, like an hour ahead or so. Is it okay with you that they're going to ask you like 13 questions?
Well, if you listen to my shows, I normally have 12 questions, but I made a new one. If we're going to do that, and then we're going to wrap it up and, yeah, because you are starting the day, and I'm ending the day. Right?
[01:06:23] Unknown:
Opposite, I think. I'm starting to wrap up my day. It's, 8:17 PM where I'm at, and my kids go to bed at 9, so I gotta start getting them ready for bed and stuff. Okay. Normally, I start recording at 9, but I knew that that was gonna be too late for you because well, soon as the kids go to bed, I'm game for the rest of the night. But Right. Right. It's for for me, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. So if we started recording at 9 o'clock, then it would be 3 o'clock in the morning for you.
[01:06:49] Unknown:
I can still have a jet lag from LA, man. I slept quite good, but, somehow, yesterday before I started to work today, I couldn't sleep, 2 hours. I think I was, a little bit sleepy. But then, I had to work. And thankfully, today, I didn't have a long drive. So, I was home, could crash a little bit, sleep a little bit. Yeah, that's how we roll, man. And then we do podcasting for the benefit of ourselves to, communicate with people just like you to to tell, stories, to listening to stories and to, yeah, to connect and to see what's, what make them tick and what they experience. Right?
[01:07:34] Unknown:
Exactly. I mean, expand knowledge, expand consciousness, and honestly just keep hearing people's stories and stuff, man, because I feel like it's one of those things that I kinda see myself as somewhat of, like, a chronicler of stories somewhat or of, being somewhat of, like, people's soapbox so they can come and stand on and be able to kinda tell their story. Like, I like to if if we don't get people's stories down, people don't tell people their stories. We don't record these people's stories. People's stories are gonna get lost through time, especially the bizarre encounters and stuff. Like, think about how many have been lost because people never told anybody about an experience. But by doing podcasts like this, by talking about all these topics we talk about, by bringing up all these old folklore stories and stuff, we're giving them new life, and we're bringing them into the digital age so that there's less of a chance that they're gonna get lost in time. So Right. That's kinda kind of how I see us. We're we're the people that are bringing the stories back into a new generation to keep pushing these things forward, especially all the folklore and stuff.
[01:08:27] Unknown:
Yeah. And I I really loved it because folklore is not, and myths and stuff like that that have been told for ages. They are and they are without any good story or something that's been true, or been told differently to another generation to be careful for this and be careful for that and stuff like that. And I once pointed out that, there are some places on this Earth where there's a very high paranormal activity. And our thinking about my chemical brain, if I use, like, psychedelics, what happens with my visuals, right? So I'm still in the same room, but I experience a different point of view, a different visualization, or maybe I think that something is coming across me, and stuff like that.
The question will be, is that already been going? Is maybe, the chemical reaction of your psychedelics when you take that maybe also shifting you to another bigger reality so you can see things as they really are and not as you think that they are.
[01:09:37] Unknown:
Dude, we'll have to dive into psychedelics, on another run because I could go on to this whole psychedelics concept for a long time on this one. I have my own Good. Really weird stories and stuff to get into with psychedelics, But I'm definitely one of those people that I think that they're a tool that let you see something else. Like, it elevates your vibration into seeing, like, plant consciousness, into seeing, like, all of these things that we're not typically supposed to be able to see. Like, I don't think it's all hallucinations coming from your own head. I think that you're actually seeing something else. And one of the clues that kind of says that to me is the fact that when they do brain scans on people, when they take, like, mushrooms, for example, or LSD, you think there'd be more brain activity. There's actually less. So if you're creating all these crazy images in your head, why would you not be using more brand activity? I think that it's actually shutting down some of the things that put blockers so that you see reality as you're supposed to, and it breaks those walls down. And there's less brain activity because there's less defenses up, so you're actually seeing the world more so for what it is.
[01:10:39] Unknown:
Right. They wouldn't do, my friend. I I really think that that's the key. And that's why shamans and people like that can deep dive into that reality or that spectrum. Because when you see the spectrum of a human being, how much we can see on on a spectrum of light and and stuff like that, that's, like, this big, and we can see, like, this tiny
[01:11:05] Unknown:
We see 7% of the light spectrum. 7. 7%. So what's that? Right? Like, the mantis shrimp is supposed to have the best eyes out of any animal on the entire planet, and they can supposedly see I think it was four colors that humans can't even see or perceive. Exactly. And the hardest punch in the world. Yep. It actually when it hits for a split second, the impact is hotter than the surface of the sun. Yep. Yep. Yep. And like a strike of a 22 caliber bullet. Is that literally just in the world. Blow a blow a crab shell into a 1000000 pieces. Like, you'll just Oh, it blow your finger off when it hits you. Mhmm. And while you understand the water, it gets super
[01:11:44] Unknown:
how did the colors of that shrimp, oh my God. It's like if you put that on a screen and you take some LSD, I guarantee you, you will have a great evening. But if you do it sober, it's the same thing. I'm doing stupid, spastic stuff because there's a big mosquito here in the room.
[01:12:08] Unknown:
You can you imagine being a mantis shrimp and seeing a mantis shrimp's colors, being able to see those extra four colors? Like, I wonder what it looks like to another mantis shrimp.
[01:12:17] Unknown:
I love that kind of thought. That makes it so interesting, right, that that everything that's here on this realm has its own identity, its own purpose, and stuff like that, and its own awesomeness. I think there's also a bullet ant. I think it's like 10 or 15 times stronger than a Scorpio sting when that ant is gonna
[01:12:48] Unknown:
you know, do something with you. Do you wanna hear something else? It's kinda weird that I heard the other day too. There's these I don't remember the 2 species of fish, but there's these 2 fish that when you look at them with the human eye, they look exactly the same. You cannot tell the difference. But when these things go to mate, they see a different color spectrum, and, actually, color developed in the ocean before it developed on land because everything on land was flat colors, and it wasn't till way later that they started developing colors. So that's why aquatic animals can see colors and have way more colors than anything on the surface does because they develop colors first. But, anyways, this specific type of fish, there's 2 different fish, and the one when you look under it look at it under certain light has a different marking to it. So they can only see their own species. So it means if, like, another fish sees them, they see them as the same type of fish. But when the 2 fish see each other, they can see the markings on each other to know if they're the same fish or not to see if they can mate and breed.
So even within the they they have, like, these weird little, like, side tricks. They can only see, like, certain colors with each other, and their eyes are developed to only be able to see those colors to be able to, like, tell away from, like, mating and stuff. Like, that that type of stuff is crazy to me. Wow.
[01:13:58] Unknown:
I heard a story of the bumblebee or bees in general. They see fluorescence on the plants. And when another bee was, getting the nectar already, that plant will say, okay, I got 5 blossoms, but these 2 are empty. So that's why the bees go always to the nectar because they see it in a in a in a different spectrum.
[01:14:23] Unknown:
It's ultraviolet. Yeah. All flowers that give up ultraviolet, like, dusting look to them. Because I've seen these, like, cameras. It'll show, like, a bee's view. Right. And it'll literally be almost like a like a misty smoke coming off of, like, the top of the the flower, and they can see that. And the ones that need to get pollinated add that misty smoke, and the ones that don't don't have that. It reminds me of,
[01:14:43] Unknown:
Far Cry when I was playing the game. It was so good. You know, you had to make your own tools, your own, guns and stuff like that. But you have, of course, arrows, you have spears, which had also medicinal plants, which you could use to, if you got into battle or stuff like that, but you could also use it to see what kind of plants are just like magical that you can get, like blue or yellow or red or whatever. And you saw in the menu when you picked off one of these plants, what the purpose was and where you can use it for. That was such a blur I don't have time anymore for gays. I'm 51 now, Winters Young.
I do podcasting, I do working, stuff like that. Well, same as me. Right, right. So, yeah, gaming is not on this, not yet, not yet. Shane, I'm going to ask you 13 questions for you. The first one is, what's your interpretation of value?
[01:15:48] Unknown:
Value is knowledge to me. I mean, most people call it money, but it's experiences and it's knowledge. That's that that's what it is because at the end of the day, I've always said that experience is the meaning of life because it's if we do transcend into something else, we are some type of consciousness. I feel like that's the one thing that is able to stay with you And in turn, also wisdom, because wisdom is part of experience. So in life, at least, I feel like that's by far, like, the biggest amount of value realistically is knowledge and experience.
[01:16:24] Unknown:
I love that one. You are the first one that, is on the show that got this question. So, what's your perception of god?
[01:16:36] Unknown:
See, this is a funny one too. So I I talk about this one all the time. I think that when it comes to a lot of these religions, that they're all different perspectives of the same things and the same events. So I think that God was through the was through the perception of the people of the time that they looked up to males as being the superior ones, so they made this male physical version of, like, God. And all of these other different religions, they just they were taking the same stories, the same events that happened, and they were just stating them from their different perspectives. Mhmm. And I think that, like, the universal consciousness is God. I think that all of these things are God. It's just different ways that people wanted to define God to fit into, like, their society and, like, their culture. Because, honestly, if there is a God and it's some type of creator being, I don't see a creator being as having a reason to mate, which means that I don't think that even beyond, like, the whole, like, woke idea of things, like, I don't think that an entity of that caliber would have a male or female component to it. I think it would just be something that exists as it is.
So, yeah, at the end of the day, I think that god is the universal consciousness. It is the creator being and that all of these different religions are just different viewpoints of the same things.
[01:18:01] Unknown:
Love that answer. I love that answer. What's your perception of the devil?
[01:18:07] Unknown:
That's also a pretty hard one. So when it comes to I I think it's a it's a back and forth mainly between good and evil in the aspect that there's going to be a dark character that always needs to rise in order for there to be growth as a society. Because if everything is always good, everything is always neutral, then there's not a struggle for things to get better and better and better and actually progress and grow. So the devil, evil, all of these things in general, I feel like it's a needed necessity in order for there to be progression as a species or as a race. And that people always ask, we're going back to the kind of the the god question that if god had created everything, he already planned out everything, then why would he create evil? And I think the reason for that is because he wants people to learn and grow. This universal consciousness wants people to learn and grow, So it's needed to have that duality concept so, like, growth can happen. And I think that for every action, there's an equal or positive reaction, meaning that if you create something that's total good, that out of that, there will be somebody who will see that total good and be angered with it and create total evil because there's always going to be the opposite of anything that you create.
So in turn, just because of the fact that there is universal consciousness, there is a creator being, there has to be the opposing factor, and that opposing factor has to be the one that looks like the bad guy, but realistically is only placed there in order to have tension so that the race can grow itself. Because, like, one philosophical question I always had an issue with was that if the devil is so bad, then why does he torture people forever? So, again, it's just different laws that are needed in order for society to function. It's a matter of perspective too on that one because, of course, there's the whole, like, really, corruption factor that people talk about where demons will, like, whisper things in your ears, and they'll try to get you to do this, and they'll try to get you to do that.
That kind of stuff needs to be done so that people can learn from their actions. Because if there isn't something that is the evil force telling them to do something bad, then there's not that internal struggle to know whether or not that person is a good person and will go down the right path. Like I said, it's a needed necessity in order for there to be a good. There can't be a good without an evil. Right. That was just kind of a a drawn and routed answer, but that yeah. I love Bring it back in that circle. I love that answer.
[01:20:42] Unknown:
That's deep thought. I like deep thoughts. Because when we just, you know, there's always a deeper meaning of a question. And especially for people that are deep diving into that question and think about it, their own plausible reality, but also, like, okay, I when I connect dots like this, that makes more sense. So there's no answer like, oh, the devil, oh, that's evil. Well, explain what's what's evil to you. Right? But you explained it very well. There are some less harder questions probably now, I hope.
[01:21:26] Unknown:
I like these deeply philosophical questions. They make you think for a second.
[01:21:29] Unknown:
Like it. And and just like I said, I love your answers. What's your favorite color? Favorite color?
[01:21:37] Unknown:
I got multiple favorite colors. So if you're talking about actual colors themselves, then it's gonna be red and green. But if you're also including all colors slash the absence of color, then the black black is always gonna be my absolute favorite favorite. But if I have to pick an actual color itself, it's gonna be green or red. Yeah. Because black is no color, just like white.
[01:21:58] Unknown:
Unfortunately, people, it's not a color. Would love that, especially, oh, that's one question I want to ask you. It's not like the questions of my 13 questions. Do you do your own logos for the show, like, the show art?
[01:22:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I do all all the art myself. Besides, my newest logo for inquiries. I had my good buddy, Chris, from Conspiratory. He put that one logo together. But all of my promotion stuff, all of my t shirts that I do, everything else besides that particular logo because I just really liked his art style, want him to do it. His art encounters logo, all of that. That's all my artwork that I've done. I love it. You're a very creative guy, but we as podcasters have to be because no one else is gonna do it. Right? Yeah. And if you gotta pay somebody to do that, then that's just that much less that you have to actually put to keep growing your podcast. You know? Right. Exactly. Exactly. Gives me something to do while I'm editing. I'll sit there and play with cover arts and make cover arts and stuff. Converse. I mean, you need that one. Right, Usa?
[01:23:00] Unknown:
What's your favorite music, Shane?
[01:23:04] Unknown:
I'm pretty diverse with music, but as of right now, honestly, my favorite type of music, I don't usually tell people, like, I listen to some off the wall fucking music. Maybe not so off the wall for you, but off the wall to people at least in the US. Like, of course, I listen to country. I listen to all that kind of stuff like everybody else over here, but my main guilty pleasure type of music that I listen to more than anything is, like, hard style and, like, European, electronic in general. Like, Jost Klein has been, like, one of the main people I've been listening to, like, crazy lately. DJ Paul, of course. And then I get into a lot of, like, the Russian artists. I know everybody has the conflict back and forth, but they make some awesome fucking hardstyle. So you got, like, Russian village boys, for example.
You got, Harbor Bay School. You got d, DLB, and then going into, again, some more, like, Netherlands stuff. You got, like, Skiagu. Yeah. That that that's kinda where all my music is. I listen to a lot of, like, the European music, and then I also listen to a lot of UK stuff too because I really like electronic, and I also really like hip hop. So when you get into the style that they do in the UK as far as their music, it's like old electronic beats that they remix and then rap over. So I get heavy into that kind of stuff too. Like, my main music that I listen to is, like, kind of internationally diverse, but, Right. Yeah. The the main stuff, honestly, that I listen more than anything is, like, the UK rap and then, like, the European slash Scandinavian slash Russian techno electronic art style.
[01:24:38] Unknown:
You got a playlist on Spotify?
[01:24:41] Unknown:
I have YouTube Music, but I could send you my playlist. I got a lot of really cool stuff on the playlist. Please do. Please do.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
Shane, what's your favorite book? Favorite book?
[01:24:53] Unknown:
That's a hard one to answer, actually. As far as just books themselves, like, standalone, just a good story. Honestly, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was one of my favorite movies, and the same goes with the book. I'm a huge fan of Hunter s Thompson just, like, how his how raw his, like, writing style is because you don't find a lot of authors that write fuck, like, every other word in their books. Like Right. I just find that stuff definitely, like, interesting. Beyond that, getting into some more other kinda weird stuff, parse partly a cult. Eta Dorpa is also one of my favorite books. It's about this, occultist guy who journeys into the center of the earth. And the weird part about it is that if you follow all the ties to it, mainly p Hall did a documentary where you split it up and stuff, but the people that are referencing it are real people, and the locations that are referenced in this place, they give you exact maps and everything in the book. So one of my things that I wanna do one day is see if I could find the supposed cave entrance because supposedly, Manley P. Hall was talking about a man who went looking for this cave, and he found the last spot of light as they call it before they start going underground.
And because of the equipment at the time, they couldn't go farther past that. But a lot of people believe that Edadorpa is a fictional book, and then the other half believe that it's completely real. And there it was a bunch of occult things that need to get put out, and and they were just hiding it behind the story. Because even within it, the author of the book, it said basically that this man this random guy shows up and starts, like, telling him, you need to write my story. You need to explain all this stuff that happened to me, and it'll get released in 30 years. And the book did get released 30 years supposedly after when those things happened. So if you like diving into some weird stuff, check out Ettadorpa.
And, also I just wrote it down. Cool little piece to remember how to spell it. Ettadorpa is ephrodite
[01:26:45] Unknown:
backwards. Uh-huh. So it's eddap the d orpa? Ediphorpa,
[01:26:57] Unknown:
I think. I'm gonna If I didn't spell it right, I will send you the cover of it after we get off. I don't know. It tells you Yeah. That's cool. That's cool. I think there's a story about a man that not that long ago that went on YouTube and found something
[01:27:13] Unknown:
in
[01:27:14] Unknown:
I think it was in Arizona, like a cave. Was that the m cave that he went he disappeared in? I think it is. Yeah. Because this one, he it connects into, like, the Kentucky cave system with Mammoth Cave if you've dug into that stuff. Uh-huh. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like I said, there's exact maps. And I actually went on Google Maps when I was reading this book, and I found the exact spot that this map shows. So, like, I know that the map actually does line up to an actual physical map.
[01:27:41] Unknown:
Oh, shit.
[01:27:42] Unknown:
I think it's one of those treasure hunts that's been sitting there waiting for somebody to go on it for a long time, and nobody's taking the opportunity, which is I was gonna do an episode on it. And it's funny that I'm talking about it on this show because I was trying to, like, leave it so that I could dig into that before Sontagno's got the chance to. But if I talk about this too much to somebody in Kentucky, they're gonna go and find that k bord. Hide you, man. Oh, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. What's your favorite booze or drink?
Favorite booze or drink? Well, here. I'll give you a mix of 2 in a way, actually. I'm a big fan of kombucha. So, you know, like, the fermented fruits and everything. So extending that a little bit into, like, beers and stuff, I'm a really big fan of local brews more so than anything. I'm not a really big fan of, like, domestic stuff. But when I do get the local brews, I'm a big fan of, like, the sours and, like, the fermented fruit stuff. Uh-huh. Because it's it's not, like, girly, fruity sweet. It's like that fermented hard fruit sweet where it's bitter but sweet at the same time. Uh-huh. It's just it's that that perfect taste for me. Like, I really like it. Like, I'm a big fan of just sipping on some, like, good beers and stuff, but the fermented fruit stuff, it's just I've always had a taste for fermented stuff. Uh-huh. And when you say, like, oh, it's a sour there's been a few times I've been out with the guys and stuff. You know? And I'll get, like, one of these drinks, and they'll think it's, like, some kind of frilly girl drink, and then they'll try and be like, oh, no. That's definitely not a girl's drink. Like, you you gotta try it once, man. It's it's fermented fruit. And I know it sounds bad, but once you taste it, you'll realize that it's pretty fucking stiff.
[01:29:11] Unknown:
Right. For example, they, drink a lot of stouts, And some of them are just like, canned as, what's it called? Like dessert in a can. Just like, okay, like chocolate and strawberries and stuff like that. And you think, like, how do they gonna put that in a beer that's gonna be drinkable until you drink one? Just like,
[01:29:37] Unknown:
holy crap. Because they fermented stuff in there. Yeah. They got some of that stuff over here while I get some of those fermented drinks. Sometimes they'll do strawberries with, like, chocolate and stuff in it. And again, it sounds like a frilly drink, but you try that shit, and it's it's stiff. It's good. Yeah. Especially if you pour it in into your glass and it's, like,
[01:29:56] Unknown:
pitch dark. And when the beer comes, to the glass and it goes down, there still are is rubbing against the glass. It's like, oh, I love that. The the the bigger and the darker. What's your favorite food chain?
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Favorite food? That is also a really, really hard question. Yeah. It changes frequently. But as of right now, I would say fish in general. I'm a really big fan of seafood and not restaurant fish. I like cooking my own fish, and it always turns out way better than when I cook it at restaurants and stuff. But, yeah, I like doing, like salmon, you know, walleye, like, all all all that stuff. And I'll, like, pan sear it or, you know, if you cook it different ways, or I'll do this thing where I'll, like, cook it with butter and oil and stuff like that in the in the stove and everything. But, yeah, fish fish by far probably be my favorite food at the moment.
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Okay. What kind of cape do you like to wear the most?
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Honestly, I wear a lot of, see, I got I got a weird style for that stuff too. I got 2 styles that I kinda mixed and dressed in, and I got my, I guess, semi electronic kinda look, I guess. Like, I wear, like, a lot of, like, Adidas and, like, champion and stuff like that. But on the other side, though, it's like I go squatching and shit. So I also partially dress like a country boy. So, you know, I wear, like, Columbia, my best pro shop hats, and all my sasquatch shirts and all that kind of stuff. Right. So it kinda depends on my mood, but it adjusts back and forth from the day and stuff like that. I kinda have this, like, style where I dress sometimes like a country boy, and then on the other side, I dress like, you know, I'll wear, like, rain slickers and, like, adidas and stuff like that. So Right.
Gotta have gotta have, multiple styles on 1, but they all gotta kinda collaborate into 1 because it's like I used to be, like, heavy into, like, rock and all that kind of stuff before I kinda moved into everything else. So I wore, like, all black. So it's like every style I've been through my life, I carry something on to the next thing. Uh-huh. So it's like, I always wear all black t shirts. Ironically, besides not today, you're gonna wear a gray one. But I usually wear all black, and that's from the leftover of that. And then I wear, like, a lot of the, like, the natural, like, colognes and stuff like that that smell like patchouli, sandalwood, bergamot, all that kind of stuff. They came from, like, when I was going through my heaviest psychedelics, like, hippie phase. Right. And then as a kid, you know, I used to live out in the country and everything like that. So I got, like, my fishing side that I wear all my fishing hats and all that kind of stuff from that. And then my music taste now goes into all the electronic stuff. So that's where all the, like, track suits and all that and that kind of stuff come from. So I got I got a weird style that's kind of like a mix. Every time you see me, I'll be wearing something a little bit different. Like, I'll be showing up to congrupti conventions wearing, you know, 3 stripes with the Bass Pro Shop hat. Like
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That's cool. I mean, everybody needs their own, yeah, just like, say, it's like faces stacked on and that you feel comfortable with and you can,
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just combine. You know? It's evolution, man. It's like you take the best components of the last thing, and you bring it into the next thing. So it's like, I said, I'll I'll dress like a country boy, but I still wear all black just like, you know, back when I used to just wear all black when I used to just be stranded to rock and stuff. It's like Right. You take the best component of each style, style, and then you progress it into the next style that you become.
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Like the Levi's 501 black with some Converse and a rock t shirt. It's it's that You never see it. You know?
[01:33:18] Unknown:
See, but you can even mix that up with, like, hip hop and stuff too because it's like sometimes I'll wear, like, Dickies and, like, a Wu Tang Clan shirt. So it's like Right.
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Or with the cargo pants and, a little bit bigger. Then you have this more, this baggy look, the, okay, I'm going with the flow. Easy way by, cargo is that you can have a, you can stuff a lot of stuff in it. That's always good. Because as a man And I'll wear like my hiking pants and then I'll wear my trainers and stuff too. Right, exactly. Because as a man, you don't have a purse, right? Women can put everything in a purse, a complete household. I mean, when you see the pockets out, when they're trying to find their keys and they pull out, you're like, there's the dog, there's the car, there's this, there's that. There's a complete, setup for makeup and stuff like that, and a hairdryer. And, oh, finally I found my keys.
Holy shit.
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See, that's why I like wearing vests and stuff when it starts getting to, like, fall and winter and stuff because then I got, like, 10 pockets, like, hidden throughout this damn thing, and I can leave everything in my chest. Yep. I know the drill. I know the drill.
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Shane, what's your favorite holiday destination or vacation destination?
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I don't get to travel too often, but any place that I do travel to, I tend to try to go to the landscape areas of those. So I would say nature, just about anywhere, honestly, is ideal because it's hard to just wanna stay in one place because it's like, I wanna see deserts. I wanna see the mountains. I wanna see the this. I wanna see that. But the common thing between all of it is natural landscapes and nature and the wilderness. Oh, I love that. That's my connection to God, man. That's my connection to God. I could pass pass all the major cities and not think twice them. But if we're driving past somewhere where there's, like, some type of beautiful mountain peak or something like that, I'm gonna completely avoid the city to go to the mountain. Oh, yes. Oh, absolutely. I love that.
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The last two questions, Shane. What's your favorite quote?
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Favorite quote? So I got a couple of them, actually. And, I I'm gonna probably phrase these really bad, but I'm gonna try to do the best that I can for him. One is from, Terrence McKenna, and he says that if you don't pave your own something along the lines, if you don't pave pave your own path, then you're gonna become part of somebody else's journey. Yep. Something along those lines. I I know I put that together, but, essentially, that's what it is. And then, of course, like I said, we're talking about Hunter s Thompson because it's a pretty relatable quote to a lot of us in this field that we dive into is, too rare to live, too weird to die. Uh-huh.
[01:35:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Shane, last question. What's your life's motto?
[01:36:03] Unknown:
Probably that one. I'll just go with that same one. Too weird to live, too rare to die. It's a very good one.
[01:36:10] Unknown:
Thank you for hopping on this organized production. I really had a good time. We're definitely going to hook up for a second part, 3rd part, whatever we want to talk about, what topics that we want to cover. Yeah. And, where do people can find you, and how do they connect with you?
[01:36:32] Unknown:
Anybody who wants to get a hold of me, I actually run 2 different podcasts like we were talking in the beginning. I run inquiries of our reality and open minds me or inquiries of our reality and bizarre encounters. But to try to make it easy, I put it under 1 media umbrella, which is Open Minds Media. So I try to make it easy with 1 link tree so everybody can find both my shows from there. So if anyone wants to come and check out any of my stuff, get a hold of me, check out any of my social media, any of that, you guys can go to my link tree for open minds media, which is lanktr periodee slash open_minds_media.
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I'm gonna put that in the show description too, So, people, when they want to dig it up, then they just have to click the link. Shane, thank you very much for hopping on. For everyone that's listening to this episode, I hope you had a great time. And, no matter where you are on this beautiful plain planet, have a good morning, a good day, or good evening. Thank you.
Skip me bridge like squirrel, baby. Welcome, fellow human, to the disorganized productionist podcast. The show that fuels your spirit, ignites your potential, and helps you become the best version of yourself. I'm your host, Rob, and each episode will embark you on a journey to unlock the power within you, tap into your limitless potential, and conquer life's challenges. Skipping branch like squirrel, baby. Ghost. Hey, Shane. How's it going, man? Not too bad. How about yourself?
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Not too bad, man. Pleasure to finally meet you.
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Yeah. It's been, like, we we wrapped up, like, 2 or 3 times, but, time schedules kicks in.
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What country are you doing again? Netherlands. Europe. Netherlands. Oh, yeah. That's right. Because I was thinking New Zealand for some reason. I I remember, yeah, there was somebody that was from Netherlands. That that's you were the that person.
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That's me. That's me. You're right. Oh, man. I love your show, man.
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Well, thanks, man. I, checked out a couple episodes of your show, and I definitely enjoy it too, man. Oh, that's cool. And that's what it's all about, right?
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Supporting each other. There's no thing like Someone Who's Better or stuff like that. But there are so many shows out there that are so interesting to listen to with interesting topics and interesting guests. I will briefly introduce you to the audience. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow human, welcome to another episode of Disorganized Productions. And today's special guest, we have, Shane Jones.
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I'm going to put the applause in my head. Yeah. I heard you. I'm going to definitely going to put the applause in the editing,
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edition when I put it on Spotify. So, don't worries about that. I need a I need a port, like, you know, when I'm saying, like, skipping branches like squirrel. It's gonna be repeated and stuff like that.
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Gotta get a road caster, man. They got the the 8 buttons on it you can program. Yeah. And you have the sound effects.
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I got the, Arturia well, don't screw it up. I got a Arturia, mini lap. I can put it in, but the thing is, everything will slow down with, because my, what's it called, the
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internal drive. Too too much processing power? Yeah. You see? That's the problem I run into now, man, trying to use, like, Riverside and everything. I got, like, a dual core and everything quad core now. So I have to put my can my camera in standard definition, which is why I had to switch back to Zoom myself instead of using Riverside is because my computer's not fast enough to run it no more. Oh. That's one of the that's one of the things why I got into the Xboxing games.
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Because I was doing the games online, you know, you, you, you get it from a torrent and you, you scrape it or you buy it in a store. But when you do PC gaming, you need it every single week, a new software or like a key or stuff like that to keep it running. And I destroyed pre Atari, at that time, high end, graphic cards, just with gaming with Soldier Forge Online. Soldier Forge is just, like, rambling on, and then all of a sudden my PC starts to smoke.
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Dude, man, I tried to run a PC for a while, and I honestly ended up giving up and ended up switching to the Xbox like you were saying because it was like, I buy a game, and then the next time there's a new new game that came out, you need to buy new pieces again and then new pieces again. And it feels like it's getting away with podcasting, man. I was running for 2 years on this laptop, and now it's, like, way too slow. It's like I'm just trying to do audio, man. I don't need all this fancy stuff. Right.
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So, Shane, you are now, I hope I'm correct, I'm 100% correct, But at the 85th episode of Bizarre Encounters and the 232, oh,
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episode of Inquiries of Our Reality. Yes, sir. I got 233 sent to my computer right now. So 232 is released, and then I got, 87 on my computer right now for bizarre encounters, and 80 6 is getting dropped this week on Wednesday.
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This coincidence. Exactly, what do you think? Because you encountered quite some stuff yourself, right? You're not only talking about the cryptid, Personal Encounters, Shadow People, Dog Man, and Mentally Processing Encounters on your show. And you have some great guests that talk about their experience, about Paranormal Encounters. What was your first encounter, and, what was your most fearful one?
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Well, going back with encounters is kind of a weird one for me because I I grew up astrotraveling without actually realizing what I was doing. So I had, like, weird paranormal experiences starting from the time I was a kid, mainly resorting to, like, shadow people and sleep paralysis and, like, seeing other weird places. Like, I'd be, like, in other people's houses. Like, I'd see myself sleeping, levitating above my body, just weird stuff like that. So, I mean, that would have been, like, my first experiences and those have been something that's, like, semi lifelong, leading into a bunch of other stuff. Like, my experience is kind of, like, chain 1 off the next, but my probably scariest experience, was actually seeing something that I believe may have been a wendigo or some type of creature that was half apparition because I saw it physically when I was actually there seeing it. But then when we were leaving, my girlfriend was taking pictures on her camera, and she caught something that looked just like it, but it's completely see through. So it was like an apparition.
So, like I said, I believe that it may have been a wendigo, least looking into, like, the folklore tradition of how exactly they explain it because it doesn't have, like, the deer head or anything like that. That was just stuff that, like, colonists kinda added on trying to, like, demonize the culture and stuff. Mhmm. But kinda like how people would describe, like, a rake or a pale crawler is essentially how, like, a wendigo would look, and that was basically the makeup of what I saw. I guess for a while, I had no idea how to exactly to label this thing, so I just didn't tell anybody about it, honestly, until, like, a year or so into my podcast. And then I finally told the story to somebody, and they kinda helped me piece some stuff together, but I didn't know where to categorize it. Because when I looked up particular things about it, it would come up with a wind to go. Right. But then when I look up pictures, not digging into the research too far back yet, you know, I just see, like, the common pictures that everybody's fully aware of, and I was just, like, no. That can't be it. So now I'd see pale crawler, and then I would see, The Rake. And then The Rake, you can kinda date back to, like, creepypastas, stuff like that off of Reddit and everything.
Pale crawler, I definitely think maybe something that's just misidentified because, Windigos, of course, everybody thinks that they look how they look. So in turn, if everybody thinks that's how it looks, if they see this creature that's actually a Windigo, they're gonna give it a new name because now that fits into a different category. So I honestly think pale crawlers are just the new name for Wendigos because people kept, like the visual for Wendigos was something totally different than what people are expecting realistically. So that's just how they report them. But it must scare the shit out of you when you see something like that crawling up at you. Right? Man, I we so we used to go to this place called Northville Psychiatric Hospital. And, actually, I'll just tell you my couple of stories from there because I got a shadow person story that kinda leads in from there, and then it follows up into the main story from there.
But we used to do urban exploring back when I was, like, 19 with my girlfriend I'm still with now. So we used to go to just any place we could realistically get into, but we went to, like, the Detroit House of Corrections and stuff. So it was, like, an old prison. We went to Eloise Asylum for anybody that's familiar with what that is in Michigan. It's supposed to be one of, like, the more haunted places. And then the main one we used to always go to was North Hills Psychiatric Hospital because this one, first of all, wasn't just one building. It was a full campus. So it had, like, you know, boys dorm, a girls dorm, a giant gym area. It had, like, the the church and everything. It had the main hospital itself. Like, it was a huge area. So we got to the point where we go almost every weekend, and we check out and explore new buildings in this place. And you just had to kinda come in through the back because there's a police station right next door. So you just had to be smart about the way you went in there, of course, because it's technically trespassing, but, you know so we're going to this place. And just like, you know, when you take pictures, when you're, like, picking your paranormal investigating slash urban exploring, you get, like, orbs and things like that. But the hard part with these old buildings sometimes is that, you know, you wanna believe that it's an orb, but sometimes it's honestly just dust particles. I mean, it's gotta be a combination of the 2. So we do that kind of stuff, and we were never exactly 100% sure. I mean, we went to the chapel and stuff. There's some weird lights and everything, but not anything that I would 100% say yes when I like, this is definitely an orb. Like, it still kinda has the idea. There might be some dust because it was a really old kinda torn up beat up building. But we started exploring this place, before I learned, like, the rules of the paranormal and how you investigate and stuff, I was just some guy urban exploring. You know, I I'd find cool stuff there, and I ended up bringing it back with me. So one particular thing I found was this no smoking sign, and then the other thing I found was this little tiki head, but the tiki head was made out of, Styrofoam. So it almost looked like and it was painted. So it almost looked like, no. You're you're in a mental institution. They can't give big people, like, wood and knives to, like, whittle and stuff. Right. So if you give them, like, pieces of Styrofoam, they can kinda just cut at and paint it. Like, it almost looked like a craft that I assumed that it may maybe a patient made it because he was just sitting in one of the offices and stuff. And, so I ended up taking it home just because I thought it was really cool.
So we got back. We unpacked our bags and everything upstairs, came downstairs. And the way our front room was set up at the time, there's, like, the front room, and then there's 2 doorways, and on the other side is the kitchen. So it's, like, a full kinda you can wrap all the way around kind of a thing. So I'm sitting at the base of bottom of the stairs. Well, staying at the bottom of the stairs, and my girlfriend's standing there, and she's about to go into the kitchen to go and get something to eat. So she takes off diagonal across, and there's a couch against that wall that's spread next to the kitchen. And as she goes to walk across, we both make direct eye contact with this dark shadowy figure that was in the shape of a human, and it was pitch black already in the front room. So this thing was darker than dark. Wow. And she just moment of fear staring at it, walks right past this thing, loops back around the other side. We both make eye contact and look back. By then, the thing's already gone.
So this is when I started honestly, like, my deeper investigations into, like, how to go about paranormal investigating and stuff. And the first thing that I could relate it to was things like this will attach themselves to objects. So I assume that it probably came from that tiki ad, if not the no smoking sign. So So no matter what, I was planning on bringing them both back. But for the sake of it, I assumed that it was the tiki head that this thing may have been attached to. Right. But the other weird part is, that same night, my girlfriend was not aware of any of my weird astral traveling experiences, like, leaving my body.
So I'm sitting up watching TV. She goes to sleep. She has a dream that she's in her hallway and that up upstairs, and something runs up behind her and pushes her down the stairs. As that happens, I hear something fall down the stairs. She springs up and looks at me, and she goes, oh, I just had a dream. I fall down the stairs. I was like, that's weird because I just heard something fall down the stairs. So she started freaking out because this house already had, like, a weird paranormal history with mainly just hearing footsteps steps and stuff. Nothing, like, super crazy, but just kind of, like, the weird creepy stuff where nobody would be upstairs and hear your footprints and just stuff like that. And, so after that, like I said, I hadn't actually told her about any of my experiences, so I ended up having to, like, explain to her the whole idea of, like, astro traveling and this whole connection that I've had with, like, these shadow people that watch me when I have sleep paralysis and, astro travel, again, from the time that I was a kid.
So fast forward a little bit when we have to re return those objects. This may be something that links into the possible wimigo slash creature sighting, but I'm not a 100% sure. So I always like to add into the story because it's definitely unidentified, and it's definitely encrypted in its own means in the state. So I live in Michigan. And Michigan, we don't have cougars and stuff, especially now where I'm at because I'm down in lower Michigan where we we we're pretty much Detroit City. Like, we don't have that kind of stuff down here. So there's one day that we're in the we're in Northville, and we're probably up on, like, the 3rd floor or something like that. I'm looking down out of the window and off the tree line, I see this cougar walk out. And the weird part about it was the fact that it looked directly up at us, and my girlfriend's friend saw it too. And she's like, is that what I think it is? And I'm like, yeah. That is a cougar. And it looked right at us, and then it linked back into the woods. So the scary part was our car was on the other side of those woods, so we would have had to pass through in order to get back to the car. So we ended up doing is going up and around and walked basically, like, 2 miles around because we didn't wanna take the chance of accidentally running into this thing. Right. And just because it was totally out of place, not something you see in this area. Like, it's all suburban area. Like, there's not really a lot of woods and stuff in this area.
And, I looked into it, and there's apparently a couple of cougar sightings, but nobody ever found a body of a of a cougar, and nobody ever actually found the cougar. There's just a couple of residents of Northville that had mentioned that they had seen a cougar in this somewhat in this area. So that was kinda weird, especially the fact that it looked up at us. So leading into the kind of main encounter with this place, so we got to the point we had everything completely mapped out. We knew every single building. We'd go there almost every weekend. We, like we're I don't wanna say professionals at it, but we would watch people get, like, arrested for sneaking into this place while we're sitting up on the roof because we knew where to go. We knew how to get around and stuff. We knew which doors were welded shut so you can find us in there. So we decided that we're gonna kinda take it to the next level. And the only reason that we hadn't actually done this before was because we were scared of running out of batteries in our flashlights, things like that. So Yeah. There's these tunnels underneath Northville, and they call them the Northville tunnels. And they used to use them for transferring patients at this hospital, so it'd go to the multiple locations and things. But it also went beyond the city because they also used it as, like, a you know, they use it as, like, a bomb shelter, I believe. That was the original means for it. It was just supposed to be a tunnel system that was supposed to, like, interconnect, different points of the city.
So everybody talks about these tunnels, now haunted these tunnels are. So we're gonna check them out, and we just kinda run-in with a couple flashlight batteries. And we're like, alright. We're just gonna go in there a little bit, and then we're gonna come back out just because we've already kinda seen this place, and we'll kinda get a feel for it. Right. So we end up going we know that there's an entrance to these tunnels down in the basement of Northville. So we end up going in one day, and we go do our normal exploring for the day. As soon as it starts getting dark, that's when we decided to go and do the tunnels because why not? We already figured we'd have the daylight for looking at the buildings, and underground, it was dark gonna be dark anyways. So Right. We end up going down into the basement. And when we first walk into the basement, to the right, there's this brick wall.
And it looks like not like somebody knocked the bricks out, like, just vandals doing it, but it looked like somebody kinda removed bricks to make, like, a doorway in this wall down in the basement of the hospital. Oh. So we're looking straight ahead, and I know the tunnel's entered there, but I want to peek in this room. So as we're walking on the stairs, I go to turn into this room, and I look into this room. As soon as I look into this room, I hear this voice that's this disembodied voice over in my right ear, and it says, Ryan. And as I hear that, I saw this metal, like, the hospital gurdy, like, the carts. Right. That's on the other side of the the back of this room. And as I heard that voice say that, I saw this thing that started to stand up from behind that, and it had this bluish gray decaying skin color. It was, like, tall and lanky, not shaped like a normal person, not like a, oh, you see it for a second and you misidentified a person. Like, this thing was, like, taller than a person. It was tall and lanky. It was this decaying color, and it had this long black greasy hair on the top of its head.
And as I saw this thing stand up, I just took off running and went up the stairs. My girlfriend I didn't tell them. I just said run. They were running with me because it was my girlfriend and her friend. So we shake up up of out the stairs, go down, and then the best way to get out from that area was you gotta go through the morgue because that's where the other doors are all to shut on the one side, so you gotta walk through the morgue. So as we're leaving, my girlfriend's taking pictures of this thing, and I can send you the pictures after the show, actually. But I didn't tell them what I'd actually seen until we got out of the place because I didn't wanna, you know, startle freak anybody out. You know, I'd rather just get out in the world explaining it later. Yeah. So she's just taking pictures like she normally does because she didn't know if it was, like, a ghost thing, something like that.
So we end up leaving. We go back to look at these pictures, and exactly in the pictures was exactly what I had seen, but it was translucent. Like, it almost had some type of, like, apparition spiritual factor to it. Right. And, again, I didn't know where to categorize this stuff for years, so I just kinda left it alone in the back of my head. I didn't wanna tell anybody about it besides my girlfriend because I didn't think anybody's gonna believe me. I didn't know what what to call it. It wasn't like a sasquatch encounter that I could tell somebody, oh, it's a sasquatch or it's a it's moth man or it's this or it's that. Right. It was just something that I didn't know anything about. And like I was talking to you a little bit about earlier in the show, I started looking up about it. And from exactly what I had seen and heard, like, I kept coming up with, like, Windigo, but the picture wasn't fitting right. So then I started looking at other things, and that's when I got to, like, the whole pale crawler and the whole rake concept.
And that's when I actually started diving into it more as I ended up telling this story to, somebody on a podcast, and they started connecting pieces and saying, like, oh, do you have Cherokee heritage? Do you have this? Do you have that? So I started connecting pieces with the Wendigo folklore with what I had experienced with this thing. And I ended up actually doing a full series about it and just diving a little bit more into it and just all the pieces connected. And one of the main things was the fact that they say from the 1st snowfall to the last snowfall, you have to fear the windy go because you don't know where it's gonna be because they stay out in the cold because they're they're decaying life form.
So one part of the legend is that they either go into caves or they go underground or they bury themselves during summer months, and this experience happened during the summer. And those tunnels, because they go underneath the city, like, they're deep, it was a good, like, 20, 30 degree difference going down in this basement. So it was definitely chilled down this basement even though it was hot upstairs. Right. So that part fit. And the fact that there's some sense of humans still to these things. Because the whole reason about how you become a Wendigo is if you resort to cannibalism. And when you get into other different folklore with it with other native tribes, there's something like the, which is where if you're too prideful, then you end up becoming the creature. But part of it is still that there's somewhat of there there's a spirit that comes into you and enters you, but then there's also part of yourself in it. So there's this internal struggle between this thing taking control of you and you trying to fight back. So there's a lot of old Native American stories about somebody will figure out the person's name that that's the wendigo.
And once they call that name, the wendigo will stop because it'll connect itself, and it'll remember who it was for a second, and it causes this lack of confusion. So the person I was talking to on the show had mentioned the fact that maybe because you were Cherokee, this thing took the chance to basically say go away before I can't control this thing, and that's what the disembodied voice was that I heard in my ear. Wow. I mean, it could be a Wendigo, could be some type of evil spirit regardless, but there was just something weird to it. And like I said, I end up digging more into the Windigo stuff, and I started realizing, like, why the image had changed. And I always like to add this part in when I tell the story just because I find it interesting. But Right. Just like a lot of the Native American stuff, you know, they take, like, these these grounds that are, like, like, ritual grounds or, like, sacred grounds, And they'll call them, like, the devil's teapot, the devil's this, the devil's that. It's from all the colonists and everybody coming over. And then as soon as they came through, they were, you know, taking the Christian aspects, and they were looking at the native traditions as pagan. So they just started calling it devil, devil this, devil that, devil that. Right. So then as they were also hearing these stories from them, they had to add that same twist to it. So just like a lot of, like, the demonizing stuff, like, you add, like, horns, you add this, like, pagan realistic feel to it. And that's what they did with the wendigo was the modern depiction of the wendigo didn't start until, like, white settlers and started retelling these tales, and they added their kind of Christian demon kind of flare to it. Right. The way it was originally described was that it was, like, this zombie like creature that would eat its lips to the point where it it would be so hungry that it would eat its own lips. And with every single meal that it would eat, it become bigger and become just more hungry. So it's basically, like, an unquenchable hunger, and it would just consume you. And this thing just gets bigger and bigger, and it's just this tall, lanky, zombie like creature.
So once I started actually diving back, it was like I realized that all the pieces connected.
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Right. You you must be a great fan of supernatural TV show.
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I actually watched just about that whole show. I didn't watch the last season, and I'm kinda weird with shows like that because I'll really enjoy a show, but I'll never I'll always do this thing where I, like, will push off watching the last season or the very last episode because it's like I enjoyed the show, and I don't wanna see the end. But then I never end up coming back around to it, so it's like, I'll watch 12 seasons of a show and just not watch that last episode. It's just this mental blocker in my brain sometimes about just finally wrapping up and finishing a show. Like, it's hard. You know? I know what you, I know what you mean. I had that with a lot of shows, but, somehow my girlfriend pointed out, like, you gotta see Supernatural. The way they connect,
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they connected in the scenes with folklore and all that stuff. And the things that come in, The show is really good. And I started to look at it like maybe a half year ago, and I couldn't stop watching.
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And then That's where I'm at with X Files again right now because Yeah. Same thing. It kinda has, like, the same kind of you know, just a different premise. They're FBI agents versus, like, monster hunters, but the folklore and the backgrounds, they kinda use it the same. So it's like, I love both shows for the same reason, but my my kick lately has been x files. That's why I've been back on again.
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But, after, after an experience like that, you didn't stop to explore all these haunted houses and stuff like that. Right? So I could imagine that that some kind of,
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experience like that could, freak you out. You know? See, I was curious what it was, and I wanted to, like, I I, like, had this hankering in my head that I wanted to go back, but at the same time, it's like I didn't want to. But the weird part about it was would hurt you? I so this there's the other weird part about it. They ended up tearing down Northville Psychiatric Hospital because there was 2 people or a couple people that had fallen down the elevator shaft somehow. And from all the times that I'd been in it, those doors were, like, cracked. Like, you would add to, like, slide your body through this thing. Uh-huh. So with a lot of this weird stuff and you see it all the time with, like, Sasquatch and stuff, like the DNR and everything where they'll say, like, there's a bear sighting in this area. Don't go over there. And then you'll have DNR agents that'll say, like, yeah. We recognize that Sasquatch is a possibility and things like that. Like, I think that a lot of these cities are aware of certain things or at least they're aware of the fact that something weird and anomalous is happening, so they act on it without making it obvious because they tore this place down, and they turned it into a park, which is really, really weird because it seems like they tear down a lot of haunted abandoned places and end up turning them into parks for some reason. Like, I've noticed this Don't go there at night.
Yes. Exactly. Because who knows what's still under the ground? The tunnels still exist. They go all the way around the city. Even if they tore down Northfield, there's still the tunnels down down there.
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Yeah. But it's it's the same thing. Like, there's no space and there's no time. But I think, and I talked about it with Nathaniel Jiddis, he's going to hop on a part 2, the demonologist. I think when something happens in, like say, let's say, I will be murdered in this place on a brutal way, and my spirit can't find any, resurrection or rest or whatever, I'm gonna haunt this place. Even if they tear it down, I'm still here because, buildings and stuff like that don't matter to a spirit, an evil spirit. And that's why I think it's very, that people are living in houses, you know, oh, beautiful house, blah, blah, blah, blah, they see it on day night.
But, I would really prefer to dig into a house like a few days, how it feels, how it resonates. No cracking on the floor at night. No, you know? Probably you're a big fan of, Dark Ghost and, Tim Moritzov on YouTube because they doing also these, haunted exploring stuff with witch houses and stuff like that. And, especially in Russia and in Poland, where there were complete villages that called, the village of the dead. So when shimmering falls, so when when, sundown is is, activated, some real shit is happening, man. That's and you can't deny because they film it, and you can see it's not trickery. And, what's your take on on, on these entities? Are they, like, from the same dimension and we have to look at them up?
Or can they show themselves when we are in their neighborhood? Yeah. What's your take on that?
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There's a few different, aspects you can kinda go down with this one. And kinda funny this guy brought up because I think I was just talking about this with somebody the other day too. So you have, like, the whole residual haunting concept where I believe that there's something that can be so traumatic that can echo through time. And that's, like, with a lot of these, like, ghostly experiences that, like you were saying, it doesn't matter if you tear down the the building. They'll still react like they're still in those same places, which are where you have a lot of the things where they'll, like, tear down a wing of, like, a hotel, and there'll be a lady that'll go through the wall where the old wing used to be because they're this is residual. It's still reoccurring that spot. It's not that they're intelligent ghosts. It's just that it's a reoccurring moment that happened through time. And I honestly think this goes both ways. And I've been trying to do a little bit more research into it, so I've been asking a lot of people about it that come on the show.
But, like, the old saloons, for example, everybody talks about how those are haunted, but they usually hear music. They'll hear drinks. They'll hear people talking and stuff. So one thing that I've wondered is if it can go both ways that something so bad can happen somewhere that it ends up echoing through time. Also, so many good times can be had somewhere that can also echo through time. Because if people are always having a good time at this bar, they're playing music, they're hanging out. We hear this, and we assume that it's something scary because we're hearing this disembodied music coming from nowhere. So we assume that, like, it's haunted. Something awful happened here, but I think it goes both ways. Like, I I honestly think that in happy places, the same thing can happen. Right. And getting into, like, a little bit more, like, intelligent ghosts and stuff, I mean, I definitely think that there's there's a couple different ways you can come at it. You can come at it from, of course, like, the the ghostly realm means where maybe they're in some type of, like, purgatory where if you get into dimensional shifts in different dimensions, I kinda feel like this there's, like, the biblical idea of purgatory, of course, but then I think that there's also a scientific version of purgatory where if there are multiple realities stacked on top of each other Mhmm. I think it's possible that things can get stuck in between 2 realities.
Right. So they're not fully in this reality, and they're also not fully in the other reality. So I think that there's, like, this linear point that things can sometimes get stuck in, and that's what some of these intelligent hauntings are. But on the other side of it, again, there's a couple different theories you can go into with this one. I also think that it's definitely possible that they could be something that's existing in a different dimension Mhmm. Or maybe at different points in time because I've also heard a bunch of different stories where somebody was sitting on the couch and they're a kid and they saw this, dark figure come down the staircase, and it freaked them out. And they always remembered that. And then later on in life, they were older living in the same house, walked down the staircase, and they saw this dark shadowy kid looking figure sitting on the couch. So I've heard, like, a bunch of stories like that where it could almost be an echo through time that you're it's you're seeing both sides of yourself.
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Like, yeah. Some of these, like Like a glitch from yourself like a computer game?
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Almost. Yeah. Like like, if time isn't necessarily winning or time is just something that's within our fabricated reality as a construct Exactly. Doesn't mean that those laws exist in other places. So something that we're looking at as a glitch in our reality may not necessarily be a glitch, but just something that can't be processed properly into our reality because it's something that exists on a higher frequency or in another place. Because when you get involved dimensional aspect of things, I definitely think that there's multiple dimensional connections to you yourself. Like, I think that you exist within multiple realities.
It's just a matter of you have a focal point reality, but that doesn't mean that you're not existing as maybe a blorp in the realities above and maybe as, like, a lower form, like, flat version of yourself that the other things that are in a lower dimension can or necessarily process. And that kinda goes both ways where, you know, with a lot of these entities that people see such as angels, for example, like, the biblical definition of what they look like is, like, you know, the spinning wheels with the flames and the eyes and everything like that, and then they show themselves as a human to us with wings. I think that those things are things that exist in a a dimension above, and that's something that's what they would look like in their reality or at least the past aspects that we can see. And the reason why it doesn't make sense is because we're not seeing that full piece of what this thing actually looks like. It's just like that experiment where if something's in the water and there's a ball above the water, the things that are in the water are seeing that as a giant circle. But if you're outside of the water, then you see it as a sphere because you have to exist within that different medium to be able to see the full constructual shape of something properly. Mhmm. And I think that that's something that happens a lot with a lot of these entities, ghosts, things like that is that there's something that we're not necessarily seeing their full form because we're only seeing a split piece of something that's existing and had mentioned higher than us, possibly lower than us, or like I said with some of the ghost stuff, kind of in between where they're half in our world and half in upper, in another elevated dimension over there. Right.
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And and that that's also a little bit with, astral projection, right? You're you're you're into your own reality, but you're, seeing another dimension.
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Exactly. Like, at least with my experiences that I had, I'd, like, see myself sleeping. So it was like I was existing as my astral self, but I was still within this reality. But I definitely think that there's the idea that something that's from a higher reality might be able to go to a lower reality. Uh-huh. And maybe that's kind of what we see is that there is this astral plane reality, which might be the dimension that's above us, but that doesn't mean that you can't spectate in the dimension below because I definitely think that because we we interact with 2 dimension. Mhmm. Just because we don't understand how we're reacting with it doesn't mean that it's not the next step up because, I mean, getting into the whole DMT concept, everybody talks about these machine elves that create reality through speech and all of this kind of stuff. If that's the next dimension above us, just like how we create the 2 d dimension, they could be creating our dimension without even realizing it, how they're connecting to our reality.
Right.
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If you're going to explore a building, or a haunted place, what are the 3 most necessary things you need to have with you to explore a place like that?
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3? Yeah. I usually bring a pack, but I'm gonna try to think of the most important 3. Number 1, not just a normal headlight or not just normal flashlight, but a headlamp. Those are those are the best way to go because then it's hands free. Any direction you look in, you can see, and then you can also cover it real quick if you need to, you know, if you're in a place that you're not necessarily supposed to be. Right. And then, depending on, of course, what your intentions are there as far as, like, if you're paranormal investigating, you're just going there for fun. No matter what, you gotta bring some type of recording device or a camera. So either a video camera or a picture camera, just something to document either one, just the cool places that you're seeing or possibly something supernatural.
And then on the other side past that, as far as, like, if you're just exploring it for fun, definitely bring some type of mask or ventilation because a lot of these old buildings are covered in, like, asbestos and, like, lead paint and all this other stuff. So that's definitely a good safety precaution. But if you're on the paranormal investigating side, then, of course, you wanna bring your paranormal investigating, to go kit. That probably be exhibit that has something a little bit But make sure you bring your kit with you, too, of course.
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Right. So what are other, devices or stuff that you would bring in your dugout bag for, haunting, exploring, missions?
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So for these ones I used to go on at least, let's see. In the normal backpack, I would always bring, some type of black dark bandana, usually just so I could cover my face if I needed to. You know? Oh. And, some type of mask. Usually, I would bring, like, the paint masks, the ones with, like, the respirators and stuff on it because those, you know Dust. Endemic masks aren't really doing no good for nobody. They're not covering you from asbestos or anything. So Right. You gotta wear an actual, like, ventilator. That was definitely a good one. Multiple batteries and flashlights. So headlamps always the best one, but make sure you grab multiple types of flashlights. Because if one dies, you have other ones. We need them for different things. You know, you wanna bring, like, a beam light. You wanna bring some type of lantern light, some kinda headlamp.
And then, of course, like I said, you're, recording equipment and everything like that too. And then I would always bring, like, a first aid kit, of course, because you never know what might happen, especially if you're climbing through these old buildings and stuff. Somebody wear your Wi Fi something or you have to run. Yes. Definitely make sure you have some type of, like, first aid kit. Most probably important piece of that first aid kit is alcohol just in case you do cut yourself on something in one of these old buildings. Oh, yeah. That's right. Sterilize that stuff quick. Sterilize. Edwin,
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I think that's one of the most, common stories about people that go into, buildings like, haunted buildings with the batteries, right? It's going to drain your battery just like that. Even if it's going to be 100%, just like your camera battery, you walk into like a hall or something like that, and all of a sudden, wow, battery dead or camera shuts down. So these entities, they have quite some power. But do you think that also some, human psyche, the psychology of having fear. I think you feed them with your fear. But once you overcome that fear, that you can maybe communicate with them.
Although, I'm not I'm not a guy like Yuuija Board and stuff like that, I never did that. I think there are multiple multiple dimensions, as you mentioned. I have encountered some strange things in the past, out of body experience twice. But I knew that it was my soul trying to, yeah. Going going up probably, but I still had a choice to get back in my body again.
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So you had near death experiences then? Yeah. Like, 2 of them? Yeah. Wow. When I have you come on my show, unless you wanna tell them on your show, man, like, I love hearing near death experiences. You'll definitely have to tell me about those. Yeah. I'll I'll I'll definitely will. At once, I had an experience,
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we were smoking some pot, but we were not like, you know, seeing stupid things. We were just potheads. And we were bicycling through some, some fields like agriculture and stuff like that. And they were sitting a hare, a peasant, and a crow, something like that, like a big bird. And they were watching with the backs towards me to point out to the to, well, in the fields. Right? So I stopped with my bicycle together with 2 friends. Like, what the hell is that? Why are these 3 animals that are not normal together sitting there in the grass, looking at something that we can't see, that make no sense.
So, after just a few seconds, some things start to, like, like a wire. And there was this golden little light, just like a spark, in the middle of these three animals. And just like, oh, you know what? That probably would be a fly that goes against this, I don't know what the threat, like a high voltage, high voltage, thing that they spread for cows and stuff like that, that they can't go out of the- Oh, like the wire cattle prod fencing and stuff? Yes, that one. So, I jumped off my bike, and, the animals looked around and just walked away there. Not like, oh my god, humans, but they did their thing on easy going.
But the more I walked through the field, the more I saw and realized there wasn't any fence at all. It was like 100 of meters, just like nothing. And I had the same experience, I think it's about 2 years ago when I was taking a hike at, not at midnight, but it was, like, sunset, so 10:30 in the evening at our time. And all of a sudden, I don't know why, but my eye caught something in the field. And I was trying to identify what it was and there there was this, same, orange flashing little light, like someone did that lights a lightener in the dark, just a, there was something like that. But it was, all across the road, just like it was bumping up and down. And when I went up to it, gone, and there was nothing. Just like I couldn't think about something that would have, done that.
So yeah.
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I mean, when you dive into just Europe in general, man, you guys have so much history on the land that it's like think about how many battles have been forgotten about on lands that you see, like, these weird apparition looking things. You see lights in the middle of fields and things. I mean, those could be, like, soldiers from different points in time trying to find their way back home with, like, their lanterns and stuff. I mean, when you get into, like, the when the United States, at least, you have all, like, the old Native American stuff, but you guys have, like, documented just wars, battles, all this crazy stuff that's happened. So, again, it's like layers upon layers upon layers of history over there. Like, I I wouldn't be shocked if almost every bit of the land in Europe is haunted to some extent.
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Yeah, for sure. And I went to Ireland, which is not Europe, but it's Ireland. And they have the fairies. Everybody's talking about a green fairy. That's also a drink, of course. But, there's a documentary on YouTube about a guy that has some lands, and he said, a lot of travelers come here and they're backpacking, and they wanna sleep under that tree because it's a beautiful side of my land. But I always tell them, don't do that because of the fatties at night. And, a lot of people were giggling just like, oh, yeah, come on, what can happen? And everyone, every single one knocked on his door, half past 12, like afraid as shit.
Just like you, and just as you mentioned, I think that we're layers on layers on layers of civilizations that are packed. And I think, Graham Norton, and Randall Carlson pointed it out on the Joe Rogan Show about if you go deeper on the layers of the surface, archaeology says only like so many meters, then you will be noticed. Do you go beyond that meters? There's no go. So you don't know what's there because even if you would explore it, people will tell that you're crazy. The thing is, if you're into the mud floods and all the stuff that could happen to Earth, let's say the disasters that could happen to Earth, it could be very suitable that there are layers and layers and layers of multiple civilizations stacked up together with all the stuff that's been happening there, right? Because I think every single being where you say like, okay, I got a beautiful piece of land. You can build a house that you want, you can have, like, 20 acres, everything, but it's on a graveyard.
I think nobody wants to build their house there, even if it's for free. Right?
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Depends on who it is, I guess, and what type graveyard it is. Oh, you would, you would, right?
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Oh, man. Oh, man. What's the most intriguing story that you heard from your guests on your podcast that you thought, wow, I wish I experienced that, or I want to know more about that kind of story.
[00:43:06] Unknown:
Honestly, one of the best ones I mean, there's a lot, really hard ones to pick. It depends on what kind of category you wanna get into. But one of the best ones recently is actually our mutual friend, Shane, with, his experiences with that shadow being type creature that literally, like, pulled his consciousness out of his body and, like, threw it back on the floor because he kept trying to mess with it. Like, that's one of those stories that it's like, you don't wanna put yourself in that person's shoes because I don't really want my consciousness thrown out of my body and also learning my lesson at least just with that tiki head, man. Like, I'm not trying to, you know, piss off any spirits or entities or nothing like that, but by far, man, that was one of probably the most interesting paranormal stories that I've had on my podcast.
But if you wanna get into some of the other ones at least, I I might as well, I guess, touch the ringer on a little bit of each of them, I guess. One of the most interesting stories as far as UFO stuff goes is I've had a couple people on that have talked about it, but one of the most interesting was, this guy named Beyond Top Secret Texan, talking about his 20 and back where, essentially, what that is is that they'll take you at a certain age, and then you'll live out 20 years, and then they'll throw you back into your body at that age. And they'll try to basically somewhat, like, wipe your memories.
And, basically, from what his experiences were that he was in, like, the galactic, like, military. And then when he came back, he ended up joining the military, and he pretty much said that they tried to line up these events so that they were close to the things that had happened so that it would confuse him back and forth on whether or not these this 20 back actually happened or not. But, like, one of the common things that I've heard with everybody that's on the 20 and back, for anybody that believes that's just an outlandish ridiculous concept, is that all of them, without me for asking unprovoked, is they all come back to the their 7 year old body, for example, and they'll be drawn to, like, 30 year old women, and they just, like, won't understand why, especially considering that they're, like, 7. They don't have that, like, sexual urge like that yet, but they have it. And they have all these, like, memories that are, like, layered in their head that they can't quite fully dive into.
And, another person I had on the head of 20 and back, and he was in the process of running his books when NASA discovered these white buildups on I don't remember what planet it was. It was one of the ones in our solar system, but he's basically said that during his 20 and back, he was basically a mechanic on the, series, Starship, whatever the hell you wanna call it. Uh-huh. And he basically said that they would go past this planet and they would watch these giant sodium glacier or not geysers just blow off onto the planet and everything. So he's writing his book, and NASA's trying to figure out what these were. He was pretty much saying they're they're sodium. They're salt. He's like, we used to watch these things. And the guy who was writing the book with him or, you know, was his publisher or whatever is like, do you really wanna make a statement like that just in case you're wrong? It's gonna throw your whole book out of the out of the water. Right. He's like, no. It's sodium. It's salt. I 100% can tell you that's what it is because we used to watch them. And he ended up being right that it was sodium buildup, and it was creating giant, geysers from sodium buildup. And so, like, that was super interesting because there's just these weird little connecting pieces when it comes into, like, the 20 backslash, like, UFO stuff that it sounds outlandish when you first hear the stories. But once you hear enough of them and you realize that there's all these commonalities Mhmm. Beyond people that have never talked to each other and they're all, like, small experiencers that, you know, aren't collecting all, like, the big main stories. Just these weird little, like, subtle things will kinda trickle through. It kinda makes, like, the whole phenomenon a lot more believable.
And at least for society now, man, I feel like paranormal, of course, is always gonna be something that people are interested in, but the most I dig in all these things. I definitely believe there's a possibility of all of them, but definitely the most probable is life existing somewhere else in the galaxy. So, like, the UFO stuff, man, I don't think that's too far off. And then getting into some of the sasquatch ones, I've actually heard 2 people tell this story, but I put myself in the shoes of this because there's this movie called, Willow Creek where there's a scene where they're Yeah. Sitting in the tent, and they have, like, all the rocks and and everything getting thrown at the tent and everything.
I've had 2 people that have come on the show, and they've talked about how they were in their tents, and they were squatching. 1 of them was squatching. No one wasn't even trying to do a squash hunt or nothing like that. And the one of them had an experience where the Sasquatch put its hand on the side of the tent and pushed it in almost to, like, where the guy was and then let go, and then he heard it just run off. And then the other one, the thing was throwing rocks at his tent, and he pretty much, like, grabbed the tent from the both poles on the sides and, like, shook it. And then after that, the guy yelled, and the thing ran off, but he, like, ripped up the tent and left a bunch of, like, footprints and everything around the guy's tent when this experience happened. So, yeah, just putting myself in that position, man. It's one thing when you can see it across the field, but but that whole concept of something scarier when you can't see it, but especially if you know what it is. Because if you're in the middle of BFE Woods, there's no way around for miles and miles. What the hell else is there with big feet big bare feet running around, leaving footprints Put your hands. You know, with an animal, just put your hand up. Right?
And pushing the hand in. I mean, you can see the size of the hand. I mean shit. The guy it it was, like, bright it was moonlight, so it's like you can still kinda see somewhat of a silhouette through it. And it's like, no human is gonna be in the middle of the woods pushing on somebody's tent. That's how you get shot. I mean, at least in the US, man. Like, if you push on somebody's
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10 in the middle of the night Oh, shit. Probably gonna get greeted with a shot. You're gonna smile me for miles. But the thing is, of course, a lot of these things happen during the night. And there's, of course, a very powerful source like the moon, and on the daylight, it's the sun, of course. So, there's some duality going on with the light and the dark. Do you think there's a connection? Because, would you also experience, like, haunted things if you go explore haunted buildings in the on the middle of the day?
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I mean, here's, like, a on somewhat on the spot theory here. So when it comes to, like, residual hauntings, right, our planet isn't always in the same spot, technically. And in turn basically records these events like a VHS. And if you're looking at it from that aspect, that means that it's physically attached to the earth. So no matter where the earth is located at, it's gonna be in the same spot. But when it comes to there being certain nights with a lot more activity, I definitely think that there's a possibility that depending on where the Earth itself is sitting in space itself, there might be thin spots within the veil. Right. Maybe only at certain times, certain times a year, like, those hauntings only happen on, like, one particular day, one particular time and stuff.
I wonder if it's, like, a matter of they shift into a certain place, and it's actually a matter of there being thin spots within reality, within, like, the solar system itself.
[00:50:27] Unknown:
Like lined up on that specific moment of time. Just like a VHS recorder in the old days, when you had a program and you skipped a program and you recorded over it, that you saw a glimpse of that old program coming through. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fascinating because
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what's time anyway, right? It's only a human construct. I mean, Yeah. Down to its roots, like it's a 100% human construct. It's just nonsense.
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Because I can say, oh, I need to know what time it is, but we are now podcasting. And for listeners that listening to that podcast or to this podcast within a year or 2 year or 5 years or tomorrow, they still listen to this podcast. It's still there in their time. Exactly. Just in general, man. Just time is just
[00:51:22] Unknown:
Nothing. A 100%. Yeah. It's completely only was made up by humans for the aspect of knowing when to do things in particular. So it was like, if I go to work, when to go to work, when to do this, when to do that. But, I mean, even time itself works different within different places within the solar system. Like, time only works in the aspect that we define it in on the planet Earth because we go by 24 hour periods, with 60 sec 60 minutes, 60 seconds. Mhmm. That construct only works with the way that Earth itself is sitting, and even that slips. That's why we end up getting leap year and stuff where you have to add the extra day to have time balance back out. Right. So just going to another solar system, not even, like, some planet of the eights type thing where, like, oh, 10 years is gonna pass here when you're up in space. Just in general, like, the time is going to move different. The days are different. The hours are different.
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It's a 100% a human construct that only works on this planet. Right. And just like you said, when somebody has been grabbed out of their body and they have an experience of 30 years in the military in another space and time, But it could be a second, or maybe 5 minutes, or half an hour for us
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as recognition of time. You know, just like Even looking at dreams, same same thing. Right. I mean, even going into the fae world, I mean, you're bringing up fairies a little bit too. Anytime anybody goes into the fae world, it'll be like, you know, they'll feel like they're there for 5 minutes, and the person will be missing for, like, a month and then just show up again one day.
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Right. But same with gaming, you know, when you while you are into the game, your time just, like when you go to work, sometimes it it just, like,
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Mhmm. Because time is also a matter of perception.
[00:53:02] Unknown:
Of course. Everything is perception. But, I listening to, well, I normally don't listening to my podcast episodes, but I listen to one, with Milton because I was going to visit him in Vegas, Oh, not in Vegas, in Los Angeles. I'm sorry. And I was listening to the one that I did with Alex Pauls. Colin Wright, you had him also on the show, right, from, Newton Blasdon Field, right? Yep, look, Colin, he's a good guy. Yeah. I love this guy, man. And he has some strange encounters too, and he draw books. And so people that are listening, get his book. I will try to get it on a show description.
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You got his book? Yes, I do. I was trying to get the The side one? Yeah. Through a Glass, Unveiled. Exactly. Through a glass. Yep. Through a glass unveiled by Joseph Conroy. Yep. I gotta sign one. He left me a full page of awesome, just an extra little doodle and stuff in there for Yeah. And he saw a lot of things that, that that, yeah, that people encounter that aren't on your show and the things, the topics that you are very
[00:54:05] Unknown:
interested in, about. And the thing is, just like you said, it's what is time anyways? Right? So it's very strange that, why do things occur like a poltergeist at that time of the day only or on that, week or a month? Because it's like what you said about the VHS recorders. It's taped then and the time aligns perfectly with that moment. And the strange thing is just like you said with dreams, I can imagine my dreams that they were taken, like, very long, you know, just like that I woke up sweaty, oh, my God, always slept today, you know, stuff like that. So, what's your perception of reality anyways?
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I mean, I always go back to simulation theory. Like, I I'm definitely one of those people. And whether you believe in that from the aspect of it being, like, a straight computer grow program or something that's just been organically developed. I usually call it some type of, like, organic simulation because, realistically, we're creating AI. We're creating virtual worlds inside of a world. So we're only a couple steps away from trying to add AI slash con the next step being consciousness into, like, video games. So who's to say that that hasn't been done multiple times? Mhmm. And that we're actually in something that somebody else created as some form of a simulation or simply they knew how to make a biological simulation, and they just wanna see if they could do it. I mean, no different from the people. If we could create a little box that had a mini world in it or a mini universe, you know, people would definitely do that. They try to play God with that kind of stuff. So I always go back to us being something like that. And if that is the case, I feel like it explains a good amount of of the phenomenon because you can always bring into the theory that either one, there's glitches in the system.
2, there's other realities that exist the same way as ours do, and sometimes they find ways to be able to come into other systems, almost like, you know, docking 2 video games together and having 2 connecting servers, you know. Or the other aspect is and I know a lot of people hate this theory, but I always find it fascinating. The whole orb concept is linked with paranormal. It's linked with UFOs. It's linked with cryptids, linked with all that kind of stuff. So if we live in some type of an organic simulation, assumably, there's something that's on the outside of it, but they're not just gonna view it just straight from the outside, of course. You're gonna wanna be able to go in and see it, interact, then spectate on it. So pretty much to say that these orbs might not be the spectators of whatever's outside, and they just choose what playable character they wanna be.
Or on the other side of it, there is another life form that exists on this planet, but we know everything is carbon based, so we don't know how to define a life that is not carbon based. So if there is some type of a life force or some type of something else that exists that that doesn't exist in the same matter or form that we do. Right. I completely can't understand it. And it seems like a lot of the time, these orbs and things will kinda be watching people, keeping people away from areas like stuff. World? Yeah. So, I mean, they they could literally just be these conscious things, and they just will take the shape of a sasquatch to scare somebody away from this area, take the shape of a ghost to scare somebody away from this area. Or on the other side, man, if it's spectators on the outside, why not just go into the game and just have fun, play some GTA? You know? Like, be a giant ape and just run through the woods and scare the hell out of all the all the characters in the game. Why not? Right.
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And we are, of course, living in very fascinating times because nowadays we have a lot of technology with us, like cameras, stuff like that, and and then telephone to record all these things. I know that, when YouTube came up when there was, like, 5 or 10, maybe 100, clips available. Nowadays, it's like 1,000,000,000, you know, a month, 1,000,000 have been uploaded. And a lot of stuff I think it started out a little bit with me with, the interest the interest and a little bit of scary stuff about, the Blair Witch project, which was, you know, it was so frightening and so, amateuristic filmed, but it creeped the shit out of you.
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That started like a whole era of a new film style. Because, I mean, I'm sure people did it here and there in the past, but that was the first, like, defining, like, first person lost footage style film. Oh, shit. Shit. Yeah. And the funny part about it was nothing crazy happened through it. It got you going the whole time, but it wasn't like pol like, paranormal activity where it, like, I was not a fan of those. I thought those movies were awful. Like, nothing happened, but it still kept you on the edge of your seat in a suspenseful way, not like in a disappointing way like paranormal activity where they just are like, alright. Silent scene. You're gonna stare at this for 10 minutes, and then this glass is gonna move. Right.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And be careful what you wish for, and especially with some so are you are you also, did some Ouija boards and stuff like that?
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Honestly, I have not messed with a Ouija board. Good for a good reason. Like, I know that there's, like, a 100 rules to these things, and I haven't looked through the giant list of rules yet. And it's one of those things that you create a connection. And once you open that connection, you have to know how to shut it down properly. Oh. But realistically, if you're playing Ouija, you could be calling for this, but it doesn't mean that that's what's gonna answer. You're essentially playing Omegle with spirits or, like, you know, one of the chat cam websites with spirits, but the problem is their camera ain't on, and now there's their microphone. You're communicating with them strictly through text. So they ain't gotta try to hide their voice. They ain't gotta try to put on a mask. They ain't gotta try to do nothing. They can just communicate through words, and they could literally be one of the most evil entities you could ever possibly imagine. They could come across and be saying that they're your grandma and start saying all these sweet kind things to you and, like, oh, just leave the gate open, and I'll just be around, and I'll just help you out around the house and this, like yeah. That's one of those things. It's the Ouija board, man. I know a lot of people have their fun with it, and all that people have weird experiences with it. But when it comes to opening gateways, it's one of those things that I'll go into a place, I guess, with a gateway already opened, I guess, for, like, a paranormal investigation.
But me, myself, I don't wanna be responsible for opening up a gateway, especially not you know, if there's already activity in an area, I mean, you could just be drawing more stuff in and not necessarily communicating with what's already there. Right. Oh,
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shit. But that that freaks me a little bit out because, I listened to the, to the story that Snake had to tell. He told it on my podcast and on several occasions also. And I think he was on your podcast too. Right? Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It was, like, a month or 2 ago. Yeah, exactly.
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And, you know, yeah, he thought, okay, let me debunk this bullshit. And you know, Snake too, you know, he's just like, oh, these motherfuckers, let, get it on, until you, you know, be careful what you wish for because he had some really frightening, frightening, experience with it. Like like the the the shadow man that was trying to hide himself behind the blinders, but could see the the bulb and and the all that kind of stuff just like, holy shit. And I always knew that there is something more than just reality that we live in, so I don't want to mess with it
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also. Hey, you scream in the abyss enough, eventually it'll answer.
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Yeah. And especially what you see nowadays, when things go out, Okay, not every video that you see on YouTube is the real deal. But I like to see the channel, That's Impossible. And sometimes it pointed out also things that people are actually filming. Some things are are scary as hell. And we don't know nothing yet because, scientists say, like, oh, we, discover, like, 5% of the deep waters. Well, if you don't know what 100% is, how can you say there's only 5 percent that you covered? And I think that goes the same with our nature and fauna where we're living, where we're living in right now.
We don't know what's out there. That could be huge things, that could be small things, that could be, things that could orb like a human, or, I was talking about, about this with Nathaniel Jiddis. He said, some of these entities could eventually mirror you. So your girlfriend or your friend thinks he's telling you stuff, but it's the entity that took your form. Mhmm. Just like,
[01:02:59] Unknown:
holy crap. I've heard a few stories where actually, one woman in particular, this was, like, when I first started my podcast. It was somebody that had that happen, but they were taking the form of people that were still around, which is the creepiest part. And, basically, one of them said that their grandma was, like, walked past them and walked down the hallway, and she was just, like, in the middle of the night. She's like, what are you doing up, grandma? Are you okay, grandma? And then she looked down the hallway, and her grandma, like, turned back and looked at her and then just, like, started running with her at her on all fours and then just disappeared into, like, a mist. I was like, holy shit.
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Oh, you know, normally when you see things that aren't there, it's, for me, it's involved with the psychedelics like mushrooms, or LSD, or DMT, or smoking a really good joint, but I never saw anything like strange that I couldn't, pinch down. Like, okay, I saw something, but it's not supernatural. Right? I think that you have a very, nice, no, very nice job because you are, can you explain me what your job is?
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You talking about my my day job? Yeah. Your day job. My day job, actually. 4/20. Right?
[01:04:22] Unknown:
What was that? 4 20?
[01:04:25] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I was gonna say I've, been a cannabis grower in Michigan for the past, going on 6 or 7 years now. But before that, of course, you know, I was on the black market side of it. But Uh-huh. It's it's legal now in, Minnesota where you live? I'm in Michigan. Yeah. It's usually in Michigan. Yep. It's not federally legal. It's not even federally medically legal, but in Michigan, it's recreationally and medically legal. Good. We know we need more happy people.
[01:04:55] Unknown:
Right? We need more people. You know, the stuff is I never ever have seen an article in the newspapers about a coffee shop that people went bonanza and tried to kill or fight each other. Never Were you gonna see only the headlines of a bar brawl where people start to get drunk and, pleases into, you know, stuff like that, multiple times every single day.
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Yeah. You don't even bat an eye anymore when you hear that there was some kind of bar fight or somebody got shot at a bar, stuff like that. Like, Alcohol.
[01:05:33] Unknown:
Yep. That's exactly what it is. That's too bad. But, because I want I want to, be sure of your time, Shane, and I really appreciate that you hop on this organized production. And I'm going to be on your show too. I'm very excited for that. Hey, we can always come back for both rounds too. I can come back on your show again if you want. You can come on my show more than once too, so. Yeah, I already felt like a good connection. But we're like now, like an hour ahead or so. Is it okay with you that they're going to ask you like 13 questions?
Well, if you listen to my shows, I normally have 12 questions, but I made a new one. If we're going to do that, and then we're going to wrap it up and, yeah, because you are starting the day, and I'm ending the day. Right?
[01:06:23] Unknown:
Opposite, I think. I'm starting to wrap up my day. It's, 8:17 PM where I'm at, and my kids go to bed at 9, so I gotta start getting them ready for bed and stuff. Okay. Normally, I start recording at 9, but I knew that that was gonna be too late for you because well, soon as the kids go to bed, I'm game for the rest of the night. But Right. Right. It's for for me, it's 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. So if we started recording at 9 o'clock, then it would be 3 o'clock in the morning for you.
[01:06:49] Unknown:
I can still have a jet lag from LA, man. I slept quite good, but, somehow, yesterday before I started to work today, I couldn't sleep, 2 hours. I think I was, a little bit sleepy. But then, I had to work. And thankfully, today, I didn't have a long drive. So, I was home, could crash a little bit, sleep a little bit. Yeah, that's how we roll, man. And then we do podcasting for the benefit of ourselves to, communicate with people just like you to to tell, stories, to listening to stories and to, yeah, to connect and to see what's, what make them tick and what they experience. Right?
[01:07:34] Unknown:
Exactly. I mean, expand knowledge, expand consciousness, and honestly just keep hearing people's stories and stuff, man, because I feel like it's one of those things that I kinda see myself as somewhat of, like, a chronicler of stories somewhat or of, being somewhat of, like, people's soapbox so they can come and stand on and be able to kinda tell their story. Like, I like to if if we don't get people's stories down, people don't tell people their stories. We don't record these people's stories. People's stories are gonna get lost through time, especially the bizarre encounters and stuff. Like, think about how many have been lost because people never told anybody about an experience. But by doing podcasts like this, by talking about all these topics we talk about, by bringing up all these old folklore stories and stuff, we're giving them new life, and we're bringing them into the digital age so that there's less of a chance that they're gonna get lost in time. So Right. That's kinda kind of how I see us. We're we're the people that are bringing the stories back into a new generation to keep pushing these things forward, especially all the folklore and stuff.
[01:08:27] Unknown:
Yeah. And I I really loved it because folklore is not, and myths and stuff like that that have been told for ages. They are and they are without any good story or something that's been true, or been told differently to another generation to be careful for this and be careful for that and stuff like that. And I once pointed out that, there are some places on this Earth where there's a very high paranormal activity. And our thinking about my chemical brain, if I use, like, psychedelics, what happens with my visuals, right? So I'm still in the same room, but I experience a different point of view, a different visualization, or maybe I think that something is coming across me, and stuff like that.
The question will be, is that already been going? Is maybe, the chemical reaction of your psychedelics when you take that maybe also shifting you to another bigger reality so you can see things as they really are and not as you think that they are.
[01:09:37] Unknown:
Dude, we'll have to dive into psychedelics, on another run because I could go on to this whole psychedelics concept for a long time on this one. I have my own Good. Really weird stories and stuff to get into with psychedelics, But I'm definitely one of those people that I think that they're a tool that let you see something else. Like, it elevates your vibration into seeing, like, plant consciousness, into seeing, like, all of these things that we're not typically supposed to be able to see. Like, I don't think it's all hallucinations coming from your own head. I think that you're actually seeing something else. And one of the clues that kind of says that to me is the fact that when they do brain scans on people, when they take, like, mushrooms, for example, or LSD, you think there'd be more brain activity. There's actually less. So if you're creating all these crazy images in your head, why would you not be using more brand activity? I think that it's actually shutting down some of the things that put blockers so that you see reality as you're supposed to, and it breaks those walls down. And there's less brain activity because there's less defenses up, so you're actually seeing the world more so for what it is.
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Right. They wouldn't do, my friend. I I really think that that's the key. And that's why shamans and people like that can deep dive into that reality or that spectrum. Because when you see the spectrum of a human being, how much we can see on on a spectrum of light and and stuff like that, that's, like, this big, and we can see, like, this tiny
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We see 7% of the light spectrum. 7. 7%. So what's that? Right? Like, the mantis shrimp is supposed to have the best eyes out of any animal on the entire planet, and they can supposedly see I think it was four colors that humans can't even see or perceive. Exactly. And the hardest punch in the world. Yep. It actually when it hits for a split second, the impact is hotter than the surface of the sun. Yep. Yep. Yep. And like a strike of a 22 caliber bullet. Is that literally just in the world. Blow a blow a crab shell into a 1000000 pieces. Like, you'll just Oh, it blow your finger off when it hits you. Mhmm. And while you understand the water, it gets super
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how did the colors of that shrimp, oh my God. It's like if you put that on a screen and you take some LSD, I guarantee you, you will have a great evening. But if you do it sober, it's the same thing. I'm doing stupid, spastic stuff because there's a big mosquito here in the room.
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You can you imagine being a mantis shrimp and seeing a mantis shrimp's colors, being able to see those extra four colors? Like, I wonder what it looks like to another mantis shrimp.
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I love that kind of thought. That makes it so interesting, right, that that everything that's here on this realm has its own identity, its own purpose, and stuff like that, and its own awesomeness. I think there's also a bullet ant. I think it's like 10 or 15 times stronger than a Scorpio sting when that ant is gonna
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you know, do something with you. Do you wanna hear something else? It's kinda weird that I heard the other day too. There's these I don't remember the 2 species of fish, but there's these 2 fish that when you look at them with the human eye, they look exactly the same. You cannot tell the difference. But when these things go to mate, they see a different color spectrum, and, actually, color developed in the ocean before it developed on land because everything on land was flat colors, and it wasn't till way later that they started developing colors. So that's why aquatic animals can see colors and have way more colors than anything on the surface does because they develop colors first. But, anyways, this specific type of fish, there's 2 different fish, and the one when you look under it look at it under certain light has a different marking to it. So they can only see their own species. So it means if, like, another fish sees them, they see them as the same type of fish. But when the 2 fish see each other, they can see the markings on each other to know if they're the same fish or not to see if they can mate and breed.
So even within the they they have, like, these weird little, like, side tricks. They can only see, like, certain colors with each other, and their eyes are developed to only be able to see those colors to be able to, like, tell away from, like, mating and stuff. Like, that that type of stuff is crazy to me. Wow.
[01:13:58] Unknown:
I heard a story of the bumblebee or bees in general. They see fluorescence on the plants. And when another bee was, getting the nectar already, that plant will say, okay, I got 5 blossoms, but these 2 are empty. So that's why the bees go always to the nectar because they see it in a in a in a different spectrum.
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It's ultraviolet. Yeah. All flowers that give up ultraviolet, like, dusting look to them. Because I've seen these, like, cameras. It'll show, like, a bee's view. Right. And it'll literally be almost like a like a misty smoke coming off of, like, the top of the the flower, and they can see that. And the ones that need to get pollinated add that misty smoke, and the ones that don't don't have that. It reminds me of,
[01:14:43] Unknown:
Far Cry when I was playing the game. It was so good. You know, you had to make your own tools, your own, guns and stuff like that. But you have, of course, arrows, you have spears, which had also medicinal plants, which you could use to, if you got into battle or stuff like that, but you could also use it to see what kind of plants are just like magical that you can get, like blue or yellow or red or whatever. And you saw in the menu when you picked off one of these plants, what the purpose was and where you can use it for. That was such a blur I don't have time anymore for gays. I'm 51 now, Winters Young.
I do podcasting, I do working, stuff like that. Well, same as me. Right, right. So, yeah, gaming is not on this, not yet, not yet. Shane, I'm going to ask you 13 questions for you. The first one is, what's your interpretation of value?
[01:15:48] Unknown:
Value is knowledge to me. I mean, most people call it money, but it's experiences and it's knowledge. That's that that's what it is because at the end of the day, I've always said that experience is the meaning of life because it's if we do transcend into something else, we are some type of consciousness. I feel like that's the one thing that is able to stay with you And in turn, also wisdom, because wisdom is part of experience. So in life, at least, I feel like that's by far, like, the biggest amount of value realistically is knowledge and experience.
[01:16:24] Unknown:
I love that one. You are the first one that, is on the show that got this question. So, what's your perception of god?
[01:16:36] Unknown:
See, this is a funny one too. So I I talk about this one all the time. I think that when it comes to a lot of these religions, that they're all different perspectives of the same things and the same events. So I think that God was through the was through the perception of the people of the time that they looked up to males as being the superior ones, so they made this male physical version of, like, God. And all of these other different religions, they just they were taking the same stories, the same events that happened, and they were just stating them from their different perspectives. Mhmm. And I think that, like, the universal consciousness is God. I think that all of these things are God. It's just different ways that people wanted to define God to fit into, like, their society and, like, their culture. Because, honestly, if there is a God and it's some type of creator being, I don't see a creator being as having a reason to mate, which means that I don't think that even beyond, like, the whole, like, woke idea of things, like, I don't think that an entity of that caliber would have a male or female component to it. I think it would just be something that exists as it is.
So, yeah, at the end of the day, I think that god is the universal consciousness. It is the creator being and that all of these different religions are just different viewpoints of the same things.
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Love that answer. I love that answer. What's your perception of the devil?
[01:18:07] Unknown:
That's also a pretty hard one. So when it comes to I I think it's a it's a back and forth mainly between good and evil in the aspect that there's going to be a dark character that always needs to rise in order for there to be growth as a society. Because if everything is always good, everything is always neutral, then there's not a struggle for things to get better and better and better and actually progress and grow. So the devil, evil, all of these things in general, I feel like it's a needed necessity in order for there to be progression as a species or as a race. And that people always ask, we're going back to the kind of the the god question that if god had created everything, he already planned out everything, then why would he create evil? And I think the reason for that is because he wants people to learn and grow. This universal consciousness wants people to learn and grow, So it's needed to have that duality concept so, like, growth can happen. And I think that for every action, there's an equal or positive reaction, meaning that if you create something that's total good, that out of that, there will be somebody who will see that total good and be angered with it and create total evil because there's always going to be the opposite of anything that you create.
So in turn, just because of the fact that there is universal consciousness, there is a creator being, there has to be the opposing factor, and that opposing factor has to be the one that looks like the bad guy, but realistically is only placed there in order to have tension so that the race can grow itself. Because, like, one philosophical question I always had an issue with was that if the devil is so bad, then why does he torture people forever? So, again, it's just different laws that are needed in order for society to function. It's a matter of perspective too on that one because, of course, there's the whole, like, really, corruption factor that people talk about where demons will, like, whisper things in your ears, and they'll try to get you to do this, and they'll try to get you to do that.
That kind of stuff needs to be done so that people can learn from their actions. Because if there isn't something that is the evil force telling them to do something bad, then there's not that internal struggle to know whether or not that person is a good person and will go down the right path. Like I said, it's a needed necessity in order for there to be a good. There can't be a good without an evil. Right. That was just kind of a a drawn and routed answer, but that yeah. I love Bring it back in that circle. I love that answer.
[01:20:42] Unknown:
That's deep thought. I like deep thoughts. Because when we just, you know, there's always a deeper meaning of a question. And especially for people that are deep diving into that question and think about it, their own plausible reality, but also, like, okay, I when I connect dots like this, that makes more sense. So there's no answer like, oh, the devil, oh, that's evil. Well, explain what's what's evil to you. Right? But you explained it very well. There are some less harder questions probably now, I hope.
[01:21:26] Unknown:
I like these deeply philosophical questions. They make you think for a second.
[01:21:29] Unknown:
Like it. And and just like I said, I love your answers. What's your favorite color? Favorite color?
[01:21:37] Unknown:
I got multiple favorite colors. So if you're talking about actual colors themselves, then it's gonna be red and green. But if you're also including all colors slash the absence of color, then the black black is always gonna be my absolute favorite favorite. But if I have to pick an actual color itself, it's gonna be green or red. Yeah. Because black is no color, just like white.
[01:21:58] Unknown:
Unfortunately, people, it's not a color. Would love that, especially, oh, that's one question I want to ask you. It's not like the questions of my 13 questions. Do you do your own logos for the show, like, the show art?
[01:22:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I do all all the art myself. Besides, my newest logo for inquiries. I had my good buddy, Chris, from Conspiratory. He put that one logo together. But all of my promotion stuff, all of my t shirts that I do, everything else besides that particular logo because I just really liked his art style, want him to do it. His art encounters logo, all of that. That's all my artwork that I've done. I love it. You're a very creative guy, but we as podcasters have to be because no one else is gonna do it. Right? Yeah. And if you gotta pay somebody to do that, then that's just that much less that you have to actually put to keep growing your podcast. You know? Right. Exactly. Exactly. Gives me something to do while I'm editing. I'll sit there and play with cover arts and make cover arts and stuff. Converse. I mean, you need that one. Right, Usa?
[01:23:00] Unknown:
What's your favorite music, Shane?
[01:23:04] Unknown:
I'm pretty diverse with music, but as of right now, honestly, my favorite type of music, I don't usually tell people, like, I listen to some off the wall fucking music. Maybe not so off the wall for you, but off the wall to people at least in the US. Like, of course, I listen to country. I listen to all that kind of stuff like everybody else over here, but my main guilty pleasure type of music that I listen to more than anything is, like, hard style and, like, European, electronic in general. Like, Jost Klein has been, like, one of the main people I've been listening to, like, crazy lately. DJ Paul, of course. And then I get into a lot of, like, the Russian artists. I know everybody has the conflict back and forth, but they make some awesome fucking hardstyle. So you got, like, Russian village boys, for example.
You got, Harbor Bay School. You got d, DLB, and then going into, again, some more, like, Netherlands stuff. You got, like, Skiagu. Yeah. That that that's kinda where all my music is. I listen to a lot of, like, the European music, and then I also listen to a lot of UK stuff too because I really like electronic, and I also really like hip hop. So when you get into the style that they do in the UK as far as their music, it's like old electronic beats that they remix and then rap over. So I get heavy into that kind of stuff too. Like, my main music that I listen to is, like, kind of internationally diverse, but, Right. Yeah. The the main stuff, honestly, that I listen more than anything is, like, the UK rap and then, like, the European slash Scandinavian slash Russian techno electronic art style.
[01:24:38] Unknown:
You got a playlist on Spotify?
[01:24:41] Unknown:
I have YouTube Music, but I could send you my playlist. I got a lot of really cool stuff on the playlist. Please do. Please do.
[01:24:48] Unknown:
Shane, what's your favorite book? Favorite book?
[01:24:53] Unknown:
That's a hard one to answer, actually. As far as just books themselves, like, standalone, just a good story. Honestly, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was one of my favorite movies, and the same goes with the book. I'm a huge fan of Hunter s Thompson just, like, how his how raw his, like, writing style is because you don't find a lot of authors that write fuck, like, every other word in their books. Like Right. I just find that stuff definitely, like, interesting. Beyond that, getting into some more other kinda weird stuff, parse partly a cult. Eta Dorpa is also one of my favorite books. It's about this, occultist guy who journeys into the center of the earth. And the weird part about it is that if you follow all the ties to it, mainly p Hall did a documentary where you split it up and stuff, but the people that are referencing it are real people, and the locations that are referenced in this place, they give you exact maps and everything in the book. So one of my things that I wanna do one day is see if I could find the supposed cave entrance because supposedly, Manley P. Hall was talking about a man who went looking for this cave, and he found the last spot of light as they call it before they start going underground.
And because of the equipment at the time, they couldn't go farther past that. But a lot of people believe that Edadorpa is a fictional book, and then the other half believe that it's completely real. And there it was a bunch of occult things that need to get put out, and and they were just hiding it behind the story. Because even within it, the author of the book, it said basically that this man this random guy shows up and starts, like, telling him, you need to write my story. You need to explain all this stuff that happened to me, and it'll get released in 30 years. And the book did get released 30 years supposedly after when those things happened. So if you like diving into some weird stuff, check out Ettadorpa.
And, also I just wrote it down. Cool little piece to remember how to spell it. Ettadorpa is ephrodite
[01:26:45] Unknown:
backwards. Uh-huh. So it's eddap the d orpa? Ediphorpa,
[01:26:57] Unknown:
I think. I'm gonna If I didn't spell it right, I will send you the cover of it after we get off. I don't know. It tells you Yeah. That's cool. That's cool. I think there's a story about a man that not that long ago that went on YouTube and found something
[01:27:13] Unknown:
in
[01:27:14] Unknown:
I think it was in Arizona, like a cave. Was that the m cave that he went he disappeared in? I think it is. Yeah. Because this one, he it connects into, like, the Kentucky cave system with Mammoth Cave if you've dug into that stuff. Uh-huh. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like I said, there's exact maps. And I actually went on Google Maps when I was reading this book, and I found the exact spot that this map shows. So, like, I know that the map actually does line up to an actual physical map.
[01:27:41] Unknown:
Oh, shit.
[01:27:42] Unknown:
I think it's one of those treasure hunts that's been sitting there waiting for somebody to go on it for a long time, and nobody's taking the opportunity, which is I was gonna do an episode on it. And it's funny that I'm talking about it on this show because I was trying to, like, leave it so that I could dig into that before Sontagno's got the chance to. But if I talk about this too much to somebody in Kentucky, they're gonna go and find that k bord. Hide you, man. Oh, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. What's your favorite booze or drink?
Favorite booze or drink? Well, here. I'll give you a mix of 2 in a way, actually. I'm a big fan of kombucha. So, you know, like, the fermented fruits and everything. So extending that a little bit into, like, beers and stuff, I'm a really big fan of local brews more so than anything. I'm not a really big fan of, like, domestic stuff. But when I do get the local brews, I'm a big fan of, like, the sours and, like, the fermented fruit stuff. Uh-huh. Because it's it's not, like, girly, fruity sweet. It's like that fermented hard fruit sweet where it's bitter but sweet at the same time. Uh-huh. It's just it's that that perfect taste for me. Like, I really like it. Like, I'm a big fan of just sipping on some, like, good beers and stuff, but the fermented fruit stuff, it's just I've always had a taste for fermented stuff. Uh-huh. And when you say, like, oh, it's a sour there's been a few times I've been out with the guys and stuff. You know? And I'll get, like, one of these drinks, and they'll think it's, like, some kind of frilly girl drink, and then they'll try and be like, oh, no. That's definitely not a girl's drink. Like, you you gotta try it once, man. It's it's fermented fruit. And I know it sounds bad, but once you taste it, you'll realize that it's pretty fucking stiff.
[01:29:11] Unknown:
Right. For example, they, drink a lot of stouts, And some of them are just like, canned as, what's it called? Like dessert in a can. Just like, okay, like chocolate and strawberries and stuff like that. And you think, like, how do they gonna put that in a beer that's gonna be drinkable until you drink one? Just like,
[01:29:37] Unknown:
holy crap. Because they fermented stuff in there. Yeah. They got some of that stuff over here while I get some of those fermented drinks. Sometimes they'll do strawberries with, like, chocolate and stuff in it. And again, it sounds like a frilly drink, but you try that shit, and it's it's stiff. It's good. Yeah. Especially if you pour it in into your glass and it's, like,
[01:29:56] Unknown:
pitch dark. And when the beer comes, to the glass and it goes down, there still are is rubbing against the glass. It's like, oh, I love that. The the the bigger and the darker. What's your favorite food chain?
[01:30:12] Unknown:
Favorite food? That is also a really, really hard question. Yeah. It changes frequently. But as of right now, I would say fish in general. I'm a really big fan of seafood and not restaurant fish. I like cooking my own fish, and it always turns out way better than when I cook it at restaurants and stuff. But, yeah, I like doing, like salmon, you know, walleye, like, all all all that stuff. And I'll, like, pan sear it or, you know, if you cook it different ways, or I'll do this thing where I'll, like, cook it with butter and oil and stuff like that in the in the stove and everything. But, yeah, fish fish by far probably be my favorite food at the moment.
[01:30:49] Unknown:
Okay. What kind of cape do you like to wear the most?
[01:30:53] Unknown:
Honestly, I wear a lot of, see, I got I got a weird style for that stuff too. I got 2 styles that I kinda mixed and dressed in, and I got my, I guess, semi electronic kinda look, I guess. Like, I wear, like, a lot of, like, Adidas and, like, champion and stuff like that. But on the other side, though, it's like I go squatching and shit. So I also partially dress like a country boy. So, you know, I wear, like, Columbia, my best pro shop hats, and all my sasquatch shirts and all that kind of stuff. Right. So it kinda depends on my mood, but it adjusts back and forth from the day and stuff like that. I kinda have this, like, style where I dress sometimes like a country boy, and then on the other side, I dress like, you know, I'll wear, like, rain slickers and, like, adidas and stuff like that. So Right.
Gotta have gotta have, multiple styles on 1, but they all gotta kinda collaborate into 1 because it's like I used to be, like, heavy into, like, rock and all that kind of stuff before I kinda moved into everything else. So I wore, like, all black. So it's like every style I've been through my life, I carry something on to the next thing. Uh-huh. So it's like, I always wear all black t shirts. Ironically, besides not today, you're gonna wear a gray one. But I usually wear all black, and that's from the leftover of that. And then I wear, like, a lot of the, like, the natural, like, colognes and stuff like that that smell like patchouli, sandalwood, bergamot, all that kind of stuff. They came from, like, when I was going through my heaviest psychedelics, like, hippie phase. Right. And then as a kid, you know, I used to live out in the country and everything like that. So I got, like, my fishing side that I wear all my fishing hats and all that kind of stuff from that. And then my music taste now goes into all the electronic stuff. So that's where all the, like, track suits and all that and that kind of stuff come from. So I got I got a weird style that's kind of like a mix. Every time you see me, I'll be wearing something a little bit different. Like, I'll be showing up to congrupti conventions wearing, you know, 3 stripes with the Bass Pro Shop hat. Like
[01:32:38] Unknown:
That's cool. I mean, everybody needs their own, yeah, just like, say, it's like faces stacked on and that you feel comfortable with and you can,
[01:32:50] Unknown:
just combine. You know? It's evolution, man. It's like you take the best components of the last thing, and you bring it into the next thing. So it's like, I said, I'll I'll dress like a country boy, but I still wear all black just like, you know, back when I used to just wear all black when I used to just be stranded to rock and stuff. It's like Right. You take the best component of each style, style, and then you progress it into the next style that you become.
[01:33:09] Unknown:
Like the Levi's 501 black with some Converse and a rock t shirt. It's it's that You never see it. You know?
[01:33:18] Unknown:
See, but you can even mix that up with, like, hip hop and stuff too because it's like sometimes I'll wear, like, Dickies and, like, a Wu Tang Clan shirt. So it's like Right.
[01:33:24] Unknown:
Or with the cargo pants and, a little bit bigger. Then you have this more, this baggy look, the, okay, I'm going with the flow. Easy way by, cargo is that you can have a, you can stuff a lot of stuff in it. That's always good. Because as a man And I'll wear like my hiking pants and then I'll wear my trainers and stuff too. Right, exactly. Because as a man, you don't have a purse, right? Women can put everything in a purse, a complete household. I mean, when you see the pockets out, when they're trying to find their keys and they pull out, you're like, there's the dog, there's the car, there's this, there's that. There's a complete, setup for makeup and stuff like that, and a hairdryer. And, oh, finally I found my keys.
Holy shit.
[01:34:11] Unknown:
See, that's why I like wearing vests and stuff when it starts getting to, like, fall and winter and stuff because then I got, like, 10 pockets, like, hidden throughout this damn thing, and I can leave everything in my chest. Yep. I know the drill. I know the drill.
[01:34:24] Unknown:
Shane, what's your favorite holiday destination or vacation destination?
[01:34:30] Unknown:
I don't get to travel too often, but any place that I do travel to, I tend to try to go to the landscape areas of those. So I would say nature, just about anywhere, honestly, is ideal because it's hard to just wanna stay in one place because it's like, I wanna see deserts. I wanna see the mountains. I wanna see the this. I wanna see that. But the common thing between all of it is natural landscapes and nature and the wilderness. Oh, I love that. That's my connection to God, man. That's my connection to God. I could pass pass all the major cities and not think twice them. But if we're driving past somewhere where there's, like, some type of beautiful mountain peak or something like that, I'm gonna completely avoid the city to go to the mountain. Oh, yes. Oh, absolutely. I love that.
[01:35:13] Unknown:
The last two questions, Shane. What's your favorite quote?
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Favorite quote? So I got a couple of them, actually. And, I I'm gonna probably phrase these really bad, but I'm gonna try to do the best that I can for him. One is from, Terrence McKenna, and he says that if you don't pave your own something along the lines, if you don't pave pave your own path, then you're gonna become part of somebody else's journey. Yep. Something along those lines. I I know I put that together, but, essentially, that's what it is. And then, of course, like I said, we're talking about Hunter s Thompson because it's a pretty relatable quote to a lot of us in this field that we dive into is, too rare to live, too weird to die. Uh-huh.
[01:35:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Shane, last question. What's your life's motto?
[01:36:03] Unknown:
Probably that one. I'll just go with that same one. Too weird to live, too rare to die. It's a very good one.
[01:36:10] Unknown:
Thank you for hopping on this organized production. I really had a good time. We're definitely going to hook up for a second part, 3rd part, whatever we want to talk about, what topics that we want to cover. Yeah. And, where do people can find you, and how do they connect with you?
[01:36:32] Unknown:
Anybody who wants to get a hold of me, I actually run 2 different podcasts like we were talking in the beginning. I run inquiries of our reality and open minds me or inquiries of our reality and bizarre encounters. But to try to make it easy, I put it under 1 media umbrella, which is Open Minds Media. So I try to make it easy with 1 link tree so everybody can find both my shows from there. So if anyone wants to come and check out any of my stuff, get a hold of me, check out any of my social media, any of that, you guys can go to my link tree for open minds media, which is lanktr periodee slash open_minds_media.
[01:37:06] Unknown:
I'm gonna put that in the show description too, So, people, when they want to dig it up, then they just have to click the link. Shane, thank you very much for hopping on. For everyone that's listening to this episode, I hope you had a great time. And, no matter where you are on this beautiful plain planet, have a good morning, a good day, or good evening. Thank you.
Introduction and Podcast Overview
Meet the Guest: Shane Jones
Supporting Each Other in Podcasting
Introducing Shane Jones to the Audience
Shane's Podcast Milestones
Shane's Paranormal Encounters
First and Scariest Encounters
Exploring Haunted Locations
Shadow People and Sleep Paralysis
Returning Haunted Objects
Cougar Sighting in Northville
Exploring Northville Tunnels
Encounter with a Decaying Creature
Wendigo and Folklore
TV Shows and Folklore
Continuing Paranormal Exploration
Tearing Down Haunted Locations
Haunted Houses and Spirits
Residual Hauntings and Echoes Through Time
Intelligent Hauntings and Dimensions
Astral Projection and Other Dimensions
Necessary Gear for Exploring Haunted Places
Human Psyche and Fear in Paranormal Encounters
Near Death Experiences
European Hauntings and History
Interesting Stories from Podcast Guests
Paranormal Activity and Time
Simulation Theory and Reality
Psychedelics and Perception
Ouija Boards and Opening Gateways
Unexplained Phenomena and YouTube
Shane's Day Job and Cannabis Industry
Philosophical Questions and Deep Thoughts
Animal Perception and Human Limitations
13 Questions with Shane Jones
Closing Remarks and Contact Information
