Part 2 of Balderson in conversation with Beth Martens.
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Beth Martens:
Like Right. So but what changed for you? Did did anything change for you? Like, I'm hearing your That I that I pulled I pulled all back a lot of those things.
[00:00:09] Benjamin Balderson:
I stopped doing any of those for the most part, doing any of the the catchy health things and just went to just good straight food. Yeah. And and really concentrated on that. And, I don't outside of that and I've I've done I've down to probably a little bit under half a pack of cigarettes a day. Nice. Yep. And I'm doing, rollies instead of, the pre rolls and all that.
[00:00:40] Beth Martens:
Nice.
[00:00:41] Benjamin Balderson:
So I just about quit that because I am getting older. You know, the mountain is is, it was starting to win me a little bit. I needed to back off the cigarettes, but, you know, I wanna quit those. My kids have been nagging me for years to do it.
[00:00:57] Beth Martens:
Right. Yeah. I think that's one of the big changes that people went through when especially when our our own medical system, which was already pretty inaccessible to me, like, I didn't want much of anything to do with it anyway. But when I saw the writing on the wall that, you know, they literally wouldn't let you in without poison injections and face covers and that those kind of things. It's like, well, better not be getting sick. Right? And it's still the other things can happen. It doesn't have to be just sickness. And one of one of the things, you know, I used to say that I have, healed from cancer. Now my my perspective on that is I have survived cancer. I didn't heal from it. I survived it.
I didn't die. And that's very good. Right? It's it's, like, means healing is still possible. But so what I see now also, you know, that that my my view of that I shouldn't say that word too much. It's highly sensible, which is a big c kinda thing. But but but how I see that is different, that it's just advanced toxicity. It's not, like, out of control rogue cells. And, and so I'm very much still healing from that toxicity, absolutely, 100%. But but not to get into too much, like, trying to argue the the positions. I'm just I'm just saying how it's changed for me.
[00:02:13] Benjamin Balderson:
No. I don't disagree with you on the toxicity. I think the toxicity causes the the out of control cells. Because if if you if you have a Lego building and you start jamming Duplo box blocks in there, and all of a sudden your shit starts looking weird, well, yeah, because you are and this goes back to the putting in the proper nutritious, building blocks of your body because you're we all know our body's consistently rebuilding itself. And that's a good thing as long as it's got good materials to rebuild it. If you're if the materials it has to rebuild it are diet coke and ramen soups, it's gonna do the best that it fucking can. You know? Like, you did not give it the things that it needs.
[00:02:56] Beth Martens:
Right. Well, that's another thing that, it that I did not see. So things accumulate. Toxicity accumulates over time. So things you know, that's where you get a lot of the health gurus in the the, you know, Twitter space or whatever, and and they're, like, 20 and 30. Well, they haven't hit that place where the toxicity added up yet, And they will be humbled by that, and all of their truth is gonna have to come under the microscope again because it's not gonna work for them. And, also, freedom accumulates. So that's something that's that's very nice on on that side. But, yeah. Oh, anonymous guest is here. So yeah. Right. And and it it really is. I just have to give credit if if this is a a record of all the changes. I have to give credit to doctor Garrett Smith, nutrition detective on YouTube, who I you know, I've never really become a champion for anybody else's work. I'm sorry to say I'm very self involved. I really, always carrying my own flag.
But this year, when I saw the truth of it, when I, for the first time in my entire life, have been able to make sense of my health, that things make sense, that there's logic, and there's ways, you know, not unrelated to what you're saying in terms of the food. We won't go super deep into it because I have interviewed Garrett three times, and I've been on his podcast. And, you know, people can go and and look him up and go go deep down into that. But, this is something that it I honestly I could have gone to my death not being able to make sense of things, and I have made enormous progress in the last eight now going on nine months where things I things I thought I just had to live with forever have, have made have changed. So that's it's a miraculous event for me.
And, you know, like, it just the truth world has been such a, a shit show on because it's become the marketplace and the the selling of the supplement and the selling you know, we've been we become so fixed on the remedies. So you got this element and then we got that remedy and, oh, you just need to take it for the rest of your life and you start seeing how, oh my goodness, on both sides of the so called camp, they've got the same messages. Right? Oh, just They both want the magic pill. I want the organic magic pill. Yeah. They want the magic pill. They want you that's right. Exactly. You got it. It it it's exactly it. And then that message, oh, well, oh, yeah. That that progesterone cream, it works, but you gotta be on it for the whole life. It's like, then it doesn't work.
It you didn't heal. Then you're just managing. But, you know, as it turns out in reality, it's really just suppressing your body's natural detox functions, which if they were left without, you know, massive amounts of toxicity coming in and you had the right building blocks to build the the things that would carry them out, you're absolutely right. Then a lot of things can start to to take care of themselves. So, yeah, the the truth world and the capitalizing on every stupid remedy that comes and goes. And you can go through the history, and you can see, like, methylene blue, for example, became popular in the truth world. There's now I call them truth or truth or drugs. And sorry to throw your ivermectin in there, but you got the methylene blue and you got the fembend. I don't take to to clear that up, I don't inject myself with ivermectin.
[00:06:16] Benjamin Balderson:
Good. Good. I don't have Excellent. To to also clear that up but also, ivermectin works like a motherfucker. If animals get parasites, which they do because they go out and eat poopy stuff off the ground, then, you know, I don't do that. I I just don't know what to tell you. I don't have a toxicity problem, but occasionally animals get the toxicity problem. I I don't usually get ringworm or or or pay you know, tapeworms or things like that, but they do. And
[00:06:45] Beth Martens:
ivermectin works real good on that. Right. Well, I won't go super deep into it right now. Maybe we could have an offline conversation about it and, there there could be could be something there for you. But, so, yeah, all these all these truther drugs, and they they were so proud that they didn't get the poison injections, and they, you know, didn't do the mRNA, which could be all fake and gay too. And but then they turn around and they take these other medications. Well, guess what? They fucking got you. They got you. Right? Like, it's just anyway. So, you know, that's
[00:07:21] Benjamin Balderson:
We did start this with good clean water and good clean food. The people that need ivermectin, that that became that be got won the Nobel Peace Prize because of Africa. What's the with
[00:07:33] Beth Martens:
the African kids with the fucking worms under their skin, and they're, like, rolling. Am I like, yeah. He's he's got a real parasite problem. He's been drinking some water with, like, some swimmies in it. Like, I know that Anyway, we'll we'll we'll stop on this topic because and then I'll keep keep on having something to say over and over and over again because I've been deep in this one. Deep in this one. So we can we can, talk it out a little bit, offline if you if you like. But, but, yeah, just the, you know, the the taking that concept of constantly looking for the remedy, madly looking for the remedy, having some little tiny thing, you know, that I hear, oh, take this, and then I run and I pound that stuff. I don't pound anything anymore.
I'm much more cautious, much more respectful, much more aware. You know, when the the natural health world says they're detoxing, actually, no. You are poisoned. You're not detoxing. You are poisoned. That's poison in your brain. You got a headache. That's poison in your face, you got a sinus infection. That's poison in your lungs, you're coughing it up. That's that that rash and eczema, this is not detox. This is everything gone wrong. And, and then, you know, the bottom line with that I've concluded, I'm saying making a bold claim that natural health is equally as weaponized against us, if not more than mainstream medicine. So there we're agreeing from your nodding head. And And I
[00:09:02] Benjamin Balderson:
a 100% agreed with the buildup of the toxicities and things like that. I a 100% agree with these things. Yeah. Yeah. And and and that you can't clean out fifty years of toxicity dumping in your body. In in two weeks, I don't care what magic pill they give you. So if you keep taking different magic pills because you still don't feel better, it takes a solid seven years for your body to rebuild. So during that seven years, it's gonna be ugly. In fact, not in fact, my grandfather, my great grandfather, when he was old and my great grandmother passed away, this lady came in, was caretaking for him and was stealing from him and was given and giving him freaking, arsenic pills.
And he he was dying from fucking being poisoned. Well, when he went in, he had to go to the hospital. Well, then the hospital, they they just start giving him what they're gonna give him, and he had started having seizures. Well, they sent somebody back to his house and got all of his pills. They come back and they start looking at the pills, and some of them are arsenic pills. Well, freaking, he's been now his body is actually suffering from the lack of toxicity. The The U it's it your body has literally gotten used to that poison. And now that that poison is gone, your body's like, hey. What the hell? This is how we've been working. And the same thing happens when you when you're an alcoholic, when you're a drug addict, you can put any kind of poison. We are we are crazy the way we can live through most situations.
I know. It it does the damage, though.
[00:10:36] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We get we get addicted to the poison. That was another huge awakening. It's not it's not news because you can see people addicted. You know, my parents on their deathbed, they couldn't stop drinking.
[00:10:46] Benjamin Balderson:
Why? Because they would have killed them. They're already on their deathbed. They just had a really weird thing. Two years older than me drink himself to death. Ah. Not even two, a year and a half older than me, and he just drank himself to death. It was weird. I just seen him in October and was hit been talking to him and hanging out with him. And then my mom called last week and was like, your cousin Tom died. Drank himself to death. Like, fuck.
[00:11:09] Beth Martens:
Tom, I'm sorry for your loss. Yeah, brutal, brutal. And I just wanted to acknowledge this comment, here I am, said thank you so much. You learned about Doctor. Smith for the first interview. It was perfectly timed. You were ill that day and it was new to you. And, it's the first yellow squash you'd eaten from the garden. Yeah, so a lot of things have changed. My diet has incredibly simplified. I have a lot more time on my hands because of that. I'm now in my garden, because we grow at the farm. I'm I'm gonna let that be my primary you know, like, where I put my sweat equity in every single week, and we just go and and we we do the thing. And and and the farmer is so much smarter than me, and every decision he's made about the land has worked. Everything I would have suggested
[00:11:57] Benjamin Balderson:
was not good. It failed in my That's why Christie listens to me. I let her do some decisions when we first like, the first year. I let her try some of those things on a limited basis. I'm not gonna let her wreck the farm. You know? But I let her try out some things, and she's like, fuck.
[00:12:14] Beth Martens:
It's Oh, I had to humble myself and say, oh, thank god you've been calling the shots here because everything you've done is work. It's amazing. So, yeah, we got ourselves to a place where we don't battle the weeds. The the soil has become rich and juicy and full of matter and worms and, like, we transformed. It was sand. It was freaking sand. I I told I said to myself, nothing's gonna grow here, and, that guy has made it happen. So pretty Sand is the best starting point in my opinion. Have you seen have you seen Kiss the Ground?
[00:12:48] Benjamin Balderson:
No. That sounds good. In Elaine Ingham? You need to check out Elaine Ingham and Kiss the Ground. She's she's like world's leading soil biologists. This is who I this is who I learned my stuff from. And she went into deserts, and within weeks, we'll have them in green just food gardens because the fungi, which is what your your real basis of what you're working with when when we're talking about the way the soils work and the fungi is your your your mastermind down there. Right? And that it fills in all that gap in the sand. It it's like it gives it just room to just bluish. And once that gets taken over, as long as you keep that fungi alive and and and moist oh, baby. Now we're talking. Now all your microorganisms and that now we're talking about a balance between all your different microorganisms, which is what actually sets your pH.
And so if you get that balanced, oh, jeez. It's it's the good stuff. And then when you start learning, and this is again something with your body, this is part of why I'm an antitoxicity person. Again, I wasn't recommending inject yourself with ivermectin people. Yep. We get it. Absolutely. So I'm antitoxicity because, like, in my garden, I don't pick weeds because weeds, if if they're a weed appears, and this is just a this is an actual fact. If you set perfect soil, food that you eat will grow in that soil. Weeds, they don't like that soil. That soil is is too base. It's not acidic enough.
And and and there's another one. The whole the whole, base community. That's not what they call it, though. What do you mean? Al alkali one. Yeah. Nothing grows in alkali. There's, like, bacteria in the whole world that grows in an alkali environment. Everything else grows in acid. Right. And go and go look up alkalosis.
[00:14:42] Beth Martens:
That was heard about this exact thing on on Gary's stream yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a complete sigh up. Luckily, my naturopath knew all about it because that's that's what they said. Oh, you have cancer, then it's just because you're too acidic. Well, it just couldn't be further from the Right. Cancer. So it won't grow in a base environment,
[00:14:59] Benjamin Balderson:
neither will anything else. Right. Right. What good does that tell me? You just nuked the whole fucking system, you jackass.
[00:15:08] Beth Martens:
Yeah. And it's a gross oversimplification because the pH of different parts of the body, first level of defense, totally acidic and needs to be. So you don't for you. Right? I had a mentor literally died guzzling the, the baking soda. So, yeah, that that doesn't work at all.
[00:15:25] Benjamin Balderson:
It's absolutely insane.
[00:15:27] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a this is a good one to to know principle. All all roads lead to love your liver for some reason in in my world right now. All the conversations end up going that direction, but poison on the way in, poison on the way out, that's that's a really good thing to understand. 100%.
[00:15:42] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. And it's gonna take time. That's gonna take time. It takes years. And the fact is is no matter how clean a life you have, a thing that I that if you start looking at Matt Powers and researching him, and this is to me, it's kind of a in between terrain theory and germ theory where it's called horizontal DNA transfer. So literally everything you touch in the environment, you transfer DNA with, whether it's through the air, through touching it with your skin. Your skin's the biggest giant absorber of anything. Your whole body is covered with this giant absorbent freaking skin that everything it touches, it exchanges something with. And so and and this this feature is is beautiful because it what it does is whatever environment you live in, your body starts making adjustments to that. Mhmm. Well, sometimes those adjustments don't come out good, and you shouldn't necessarily be around those things, and you have to start learning that and and whatnot. So I'm not a toxicity guy. The the a lot of times when you have something like that, it's cleaning out something else. It's something in your environment you should learn to avoid like poison oak.
I have a horrible reaction to poison oak. I I see poison oak. I will just steer the fuck around it. Like, you know, there's no reason for me to dick with it. It's it's just how it is. Some people don't. Like, the Mexican guys that I've seen out here, I swear they just march right through it. They don't even look at it. It's like, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. You're in a whole thing of poison oak, and they'll just look at it. K? K?
[00:17:25] Beth Martens:
Yep. Yep. I used to be high Hey. Hey.
[00:17:28] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah.
[00:17:30] Beth Martens:
No. I used to be know. I I used to be hypersensitive. After all that chemo, I was I had an explosion of poison ivy in my body. I know it was awful. It was awful. And then every single year without even contacting it, I would have a breakout of the stupid poison ivy. And about seven years, it took me until I wasn't
[00:17:52] Benjamin Balderson:
so poisonous that Right. All of that would be toxic to the present. In your system, and then once you reached a point where the conditions were right for that to express itself, it did.
[00:18:04] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Possibly my my liver was able to take on that toxicity rather than recirculate and have to use my skin as a as a way to express it. And, nice to have you here, Dagmar. I I love you, and I love your, black banana bread. That's become famous in my world. I shared it on Twitter the other day, and there's other people. Yes. Really, really good. You'd you'd love it, actually. It's, right up your alley. I will send you the recipe. It's super good. I added some spelt to it and, have a few little best friends is over banana bread. Miss Georgia,
[00:18:34] Benjamin Balderson:
she she was she was she was as shit out of luck. She got trapped in the winter and a tree fell across her was falling across her garage, and her generator went out and she needed it pulled out and changed. And I showed up and did that, and she made banana bread, and we've been great friends since.
[00:18:50] Beth Martens:
Nice. That's great. I'll send you guys this recipe. I bet you'll like it. Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice. Let's see. Where should we go? So that was on the health. I wanted to,
[00:19:00] Benjamin Balderson:
speak about that. I I wanted to just set to tell one quick story. One of the other ones. Again, try these things out, and I get it. Try them out. DMSO was one for me. And when when I put on my we were trying DMSO and some of my wife's products and, you know, her comfort cream, it's fairly well known. Her comfort cream's amazing. So we put in DMSO, and I will admit it works way faster and it worked better. Now here's the second part of the story, the Paul Harvey, the the that's the rest of the story. I felt so great. I ran outside, started doing yard work and accidentally some poison oak bumped against me somewhere. Now because of that DMSO on my skin, now that made it so my skin was super susceptible. I had no defense. And I I I went septic, and my whole d my whole body.
I mean, my eyelids were swollen. My my junk was all swollen. Like, everything, instead of getting us just a spot of where it brushed against me, it it it systemically got through my whole body, and that was because I had DMSO on.
[00:20:13] Beth Martens:
Yeah. So we'll have yeah. We'll have an offline conversation about that too. I used it intensely. I really gave it a a go. It has a duration paradox. It works at the beginning. It makes you believe in it, but it's not good for you. So I I won't go any further about that, but I'm very, very clear and very glad to not use that anymore. I can't I can't recommend it, so just to be to be clear. I like to jump topics right now, and and, I wanted to come, clean, I was gonna say, but one of the things that I've been into in the last five years big time is the law. Now I always said it. I have no interest in public law. I have no interest in, fake alternative law either, but I did about, I don't know, a 150 interviews, maybe 200, trying desperately to find solutions knowing that what was being done to us was couldn't be lawful.
And that's when we were encroached upon by the massive movement in the alternative law, and you got the gurus popping up from every single corner, and they suddenly and they all have the solution and different little, you know, nuances and secrets that they know and the behind the scenes crap and bullshit. I'm gonna swear a lot in this stream. And, you know, so we went down those rabbit holes, wasted a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of money. A lot of people are still back there. Right? And they talk about the birth certificate like some magic trust.
[00:21:46] Benjamin Balderson:
And when I started interviewing Brandon Sterling and getting some of them, you know trust one where they're supposed to pay your bills and all that? Is that what you're talking about? Oh my god. That was so bad. Exactly. That was so bad. I know. I know. Sorry for the sirens. It's really big here for some reason all of a sudden. You know what? I've been watching the protests for, like, four days, and so I've been hearing sirens for, like, four days in a row. I didn't even really notice.
[00:22:10] Beth Martens:
There you go. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It gets bad here sometimes. And, so I supported you know, we created law groups, the Manitoba Lawful Action Group and the Canadian Court Procedure Group, and, you know, I supported Stand for the for a time and not supported, but, you know, was interviewing them. And I came out the other side seeing that two thing there's two real things in all of that. It is basic core procedure. If you're gonna tangle in the public arena, if you don't have that stuff, you're not in good shape. It doesn't matter what you know and what you believe. Some people have defied it because of, you know, individual circumstances. I've got a client who just won in court using some of that stuff that I would say is not real. Kudos to her. Hats off to her. Whatever. She had a good experience. That's fantastic. But I cannot recommend that. You can go back in my archives and listen to all kinds of law interviews on Spotify and iTunes since my YouTube channel was taken down. And I I just for the record, I can't stand but behind nearly any of that. The prevalence of grifters in that world, outright liars, I think there's a good amount of them that that's how they didn't go to jail. They agreed to go and and spread disinformation or whatever it is. That's how they get to be free in the world. And, you know, I there was a a woman who was really, really badly taken advantage of based on one of my interviews of Daniel David. What was his name?
Shoot. I don't remember his name all of a sudden. But, and, so they ended up having a a really bad experience with him, and he made their life absolute hell. And he's, like, wanted and, you know, so just, like, so much crap in there. I I can't stand by any of it. I still keep the Canadian court procedure group open because there was enough people in there that were willing to just zero in on the facts and not talk about theories and, you know, share strategies and paperwork and what they were going through. That's still it's still open if anyone, you know, wanted to join that you could reach out to me. I don't know anything. Like, honestly, if I make a single comment on there, all I do is, is expose my ignorance. The more I studied, the less I knew.
It just became an absolute jumble. And, I, you know, I've made the the vow to myself that I'm just gonna do everything possible to stay out of the public arena, and that's that. Now on in the private domain, this was a big thing too because they were ready for us knowing that we were desperate for solutions. And I glommed onto some of those characters in that show and all of the things that they shared about the private domain, mostly a bunch of garbage. Right? So I created the house of free will. I was, you know, thinking, okay. This is we need to prepare for the end times and have a good community. I'm not going to uncreate the house of free will. It has developed into a nice little, tiny, beautiful, intimate connection with people. It is where I share my most private, reflections, and and my knowledge, and my work, and things about my own life that I won't come on a podcast and and share about anymore, that I don't need to be a target for that.
And, you know, so but but all of the woo woo around the private, that's that's that's nothing. I I did not change my status. You can't change your status. What you don't own, you don't control. Don't, you know, don't fool yourself. We are indentured slaves in a system several generations into it. And sure, you know, the the spirit is free. I know freedom very, very well inside myself, but, this this is all just a pile of crap. So the house of free will still exists, but I'm just me. Right? And and I'm taking the word ministry out because all that does is flag you.
Don't be thinking that that's going to make it easier for you with the government. The five zero eight c one three is a tax code. That is not a PMA, that's not an organization. Right? So all of this stuff that people still will come to me and and say these things, I I still get a couple of people reaching out. They want me to to show them how to create a PMA. Well, it is a financial and a lead legal designation that is to protect you from charging it is basically charging order protection to protect you from getting sued from the the liabilities.
Well, I don't really have that in my world because I only work with people that are self responsible. I make them sign agreements that they could bust through. The law isn't going to,
[00:27:01] Benjamin Balderson:
you know, that that agreement won't stand up in a court of law. Because people a lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between civil matters and legal and actual criminal matters. And and at best, those contracts getting broken are a civil matter. You're like, she said she was gonna do this, and she didn't. And now my business has suffered because of it, and this is the monetary damages that I want foresight.
[00:27:25] Beth Martens:
And that's the best you get out of this. Exactly. Shout out to Canuck's Law here in Canada, who is the one of one of the credible sources that she digs in and researches like anything, and she's all about the facts. I could I can't get her on a podcast, unfortunately, but I was, like, lusting for that. And, there isn't, again, a week that goes by that she doesn't publish somebody's case. And it's like, oh, yeah. They filed in the wrong court. And the pay the judge said the paperwork was garbage, and this, you know, thousand page document just didn't go anywhere. But meanwhile, they're they're all campaigning for you to donate, and and you're saving everything and everyone, and these people are still giving their money. Right?
Rocco Galati completely exposed, and people are still going, oh, poor Rocco Galati and everything. I don't need to go into all the minutiae.
[00:28:17] Benjamin Balderson:
That's It for me, I as I've said, I've been to prison. And, you know, this was many years ago. And, I fought like hell. I there was shenanigans in my stuff, and I spent, I'm gonna say, two years probably in a courtroom. And I saw the way they do things, the way that things go on. You hit the nail on the head with the first thing you've gotta do. Most people would assume the first thing you do is read the law books. No. First thing you do is read the court procedures. Because the way that court does shit, that's how that shit's gonna go down. It doesn't matter what the law books say. You're like, no. It's supposed to be like this. It don't matter. It don't matter. Guess what? You're gonna do what they say you're gonna do. They got the guns. They got the power. They're they're sitting in there. And and, yes, you have free will, but we live in a shared reality. And in that shared reality, they've been given the dominant power, and that's the way most people see it. And so guess what? You're lesser than most people, not saying individually saying a group of people more than you outweigh you. And so that's the way this is gonna go down. And I've seen them break their own laws consistently. Do it right in front of the fucking lawyers. They don't give a shit unless it's something big and bad enough that it can get overturned by an upper court, which almost never happens.
Like, yes, I understand it happens once a day or something, but out of, like, a billion cases, a thousand of them or 2,000, a small fraction of them gets overturned. Those courts, it's hard to even get into them. You you could spend years trying to get into them, especially for something stupid. And Exactly. Yeah. A minimum of two to five years, and there's absolutely no guarantee whatsoever of success. And and, yes, they break they break their own laws every single day. And because people don't know the law, then that that's allowed to happen. Even if you know it and say that, they don't care. Yeah. Like, he's like, guess what? End of the day, I'm the guy wearing the robe. I'm the guy with the stick. This guy here with the gun's gonna do whatever the fuck I say. You're gonna shut up. You're in handcuffs.
Like, yeah, like, that's how this works out. And, yes, if it's a big enough grievance and you have enough money to push it through, maybe you get an upper court to overturn it, and then you go and have to go through the case entirely all over again. And now that county has a grudge against you. Like, at at best, you get yuts is like that Paul enslaved who got who got off once on driving with no license. You know where he was? Denver. You know the way you know how packed those courts are? I've had buddies that got pulled over for legitimate things, and the courts are like, the court sent them letters like, don't do it again, but don't come to court either. Like, it's horribly expensive to run court systems. A jury trial costs something like a quarter of a million dollars for a basic jury trial.
Like, they they're overrun, broke. You can get off being a jackass, but that doesn't mean that you actually won the law. If they actually decide that you're a burr in their ass, they're gonna pull you. Like, that's the way that's gonna be. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't wanna be too, you know, like, black pilled about it because there are people that are you know, I've I've seen some successes.
[00:31:33] Beth Martens:
But, unless you're willing to make that your whole life, then I I wouldn't touch it with a thousand foot pole. And I feel sad for anybody that gets pulled into it against their own choice that that, you know especially in family law, that was the most disillusioning thing of ever. There's no remedy. There's zero remedy. It is an absolute show in the in the you know, I was so incredibly fortunate I could have gone that direction with my ex, and, and I had the foresight to not. Because I had a a girlfriend that was in the hole for $200 already to thanks to her ex pulling her in. He was absolutely in the wrong every single time, but he could find some slime ball to to represent him and keep going and keep costing her. And the parents had deep pockets. So I just that will not be me. I'm learning from from that.
[00:32:20] Benjamin Balderson:
And and sounds like yeah. You gotta know what pick your damn battles, people. Pick your battles. Exactly. That's the moral of this story.
[00:32:30] Beth Martens:
Right. Exactly. And I to this day, you know, I have an amicable relationship. I have transformed that doing the inner work. Seeing inside myself what was creating that conflict, what was entertaining that conflict, what was cooperating with that conflict. Even though, you know, maybe the guy hasn't changed at all, but I have, and it has made it so that we have total harmony in our dealings. Right? We're not best friends, but there's absolute harmony, a 100%. So it's that's a beautiful thing. And, you know, if you can avoid taking your your your personal private life into the public at all cost, please do. This is, you know, if you have to cut off your head and kill your ego, like, it's all worth it.
[00:33:20] Benjamin Balderson:
Just don't do that. Anyway It's a part of why you almost nobody even knows that Christie's a voice in the background to most people. Like, the the the inner inner workings of my personal relationship, they aren't they aren't particularly open. I'll make jokes about stupid little things, but I don't talk about the stuff that we're going through, you know, all that kind of thing. And we go through hardships. We definitely do. There isn't no doubt. But that's that's not that's
[00:33:51] Beth Martens:
nobody's business but mine. I'll deal with it. Exactly. Absolutely. Exactly. Oh, I just heard this this year, and I realized I made a big mistake that, that, apparently and and you guys can tell me, Ben Ben, you can share that that a man does not want to have a relationship with a woman who has a public presence of any kind.
[00:34:11] Benjamin Balderson:
100%. 100%. It's it's, and if it is, it needs to be like a very secondary thing. And and this is a confusion. Again, this is where ideas in the way the world actually works. They don't necessarily meet. And and it would be nice if we all were exactly the same. Sure. Sure. If we all had the exact same abilities, sure. Then nobody's got an advantage, but that's just not how the world's worked and is built. And the
[00:34:44] Beth Martens:
What would be your reason that that you agree 100% that you wouldn't wanna be with a woman who has a public life?
[00:34:52] Benjamin Balderson:
Because then she's got her own agenda, and it's not mine. And at the end of the day, my agenda
[00:34:59] Beth Martens:
rules this place. Right. But it would be okay if it was a secondary thing.
[00:35:03] Benjamin Balderson:
If it was a secondary. Right. If, you know, like, we don't have children, you know, that we're current that we're raising. We're grandparent age. And if she wanted to write a book or something like that. But at the end of the day, Chris Chris, this farm supports both of us. Mhmm. And I'm and I'm the one who's the decision maker on this farm, and all the energy goes into keeping this up. Now this is, at one point in time when Christy and I were not married and we were just dating, and she and she was on and at first, when she moved on to the farm, we weren't dating. And then we started dating, and then Christy was not putting into the farm, and she's like, oh, but I go to town.
And and she was basically separating herself from the farm because she had her massage business and everything else. And her thing was separate from our thing. And, yeah, you know, oh, I'll go buy some groceries right now. No. No. No. You're not separate from the farm. You you put in as to much to the farm as the rest of us. You you need to put your heart and soul into this just like the rest of us because that otherwise, you're a transient. And and we do not want no fucking transients because you know what transients do? Transients show up at harvest time, and they and they are not around for spring plant.
You you even even out here every year, come come harvest time, there is people wanting to come hang out at your place in droves, hanging out in the grocery store parking lots, walk up. You need helpers? You need helpers? They show up in droves at harvest time. Spring planting time when all the hard work is is due because every year, that's the way this cycle works. They there's nobody in the surprisingly, not a single fucking person waiting in that parking lot. There might be a couple beggars out on the sidewalks. They sure aren't trying to come do help you to get a get a meal, though. They just want you to hand them one.
And so this is the way it works in the world.
[00:37:03] Beth Martens:
Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Exactly. That you you want that, that team of of the the man and the woman to to be normal and natural. That is a place of enormous agreement with between you and I. Totally, totally get it. And there is the same objective, the same goal. Exactly. The same goal, not competing goals, because that is the downfall of every single relationship that I've personally witnessed and seen. And, so the reason in this case that I that I heard that, that a man wouldn't have a relationship with a woman who had a public presence is because of their privacy. That that's something that is really important to men and then that's been weaponized against women. And, you know, so that's so sad. That's just so sad that that's they've been the victim of of, public shavings. Like, there's billboards you go down the street, and it's like, oh, did your naked picture show up on the Internet? And, you know, all of that kind of massive breaches that the Internet has made possible of of, sacred privacy of of conversations, you know. And that's the thing that if you're gonna have a relationship with somebody, it's you make yourself more vulnerable than anywhere, and then it's just been weaponized maybe against men in particular, do you think?
[00:38:19] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. Actually, the origin of getting down on one knee is because this comes from, oh, from heathen society, Odens, and it was you took an air an arrow to the knee. As soon as you as soon as you, took on a wife, it was like being a wounded man. You are now not this impervious machine. You you've now got vulnerabilities. And that's, it's absolutely and especially and this is hard to hear because I know that, I know and I'm not saying it's not possible. Absolutely. There there's women that are known for their mind or their personality, but 99% of it is sexuality.
That's what women get famous for. That's what they're that's what they're flaunting. You you just don't see a whole lot of women that just specifically there's no sexuality tied to their to their fame. You know, and they get it easy. If you're a reasonably attractive girl and you do like a a a sexy dance video or something, you've suddenly got a 100,000 followers overnight, and they're ready to throw money at you and everything else. And so this is the thing is then now not only is my privacy ruined, but also this is Christy's mine.
Is she not yours? Like, I I don't need you lusting after her. That doesn't make me feel better. Like and and don't get me wrong. When guys do say when my guys do or, you know, I don't get all butthurt about it. I'm not a jealous guy because my wife don't give a fuck about you. Like, hey. You know, I'm perfectly comfortable in my place, and I understand where you're coming from. I think she's sexy as hell. But do I need the world sitting there checking that out? No. This is the wholesomeness of my home, the heart of my home. It's not yours. It's not yours to lust lust after. Get the fuck out of here. Mhmm. Mhmm. And has that changed for you in any way over the last five years, or were you, again, pretty solid in that? No. I boy I I've I've been, been like that for a very long time. Nice.
You know? Nice. That's something Christie made a lot of adjustments for. She comes from very liberal California. So, she had to move into the more traditional role and and gain a lot. And it's been a a long road to hold because, you know, that requires a lot of trust and understanding. Because at the end of the day, while I I say this thing, oh, I'm the decision maker, blah blah. If my decisions aren't good, guess, then I don't eat, she doesn't eat, you know, we all suffer. And and that's that's all bad too. All bad too. And then if if I'm living good and my wife isn't, then that's all bad too. Then the heart then my heart of my home is not is not feeling good. And if your heart's not in healthy, then the whole system's fucked. So those decisions need to come with a proof that that her best intentions are included in that. That her trust has been well placed. That her trust has been well placed. And this is part of why I'm very big on, to me, a a true alpha man, a leader of a man, it's only through husbandry that that happens. And the first husbandry, like, I'm big on having a dog, having a farm. You will notice whether that person takes good care of the things that can't speak back to him.
You know? They you can't talk to your dog and ask it what's going on. You need to you need to notice that. That that needs to be a thing. Oh, why is he limping a little bit? Why is he walking funny? Why is he gotten a little bit fatter here? Like, like, not too long ago, I had to get Portier, castrated. Yeah. Because his pro he he has too much test he has too much testosterone, and his prostate swelled up, and he couldn't pee, and he couldn't poop, and he got big like a sausage and back. And I saw I couldn't pee, and I was like, what the hell's going on here? And, you know, this is he didn't tell me he couldn't pee. He was going out and lifting his leg and doing all that. Well, if you're if you're not good at the husbandry thing, the things under you suffer. And so this is and where the woman's responsibility is is the going and picking the guy who shows good husbandry skills. I understand it's not as exciting. Just like for the guys, I understand the exciting girl, the one that's that puts out, that'll have sex with you in all the weird ways and all that, that's exciting. But if she's not gonna be a loving mother, then why are you putting your seed there? Why are you planting your your future there? You know, it's gonna be wrecked. That's idiocy.
And for women, it's it's if you look at the dude, your first judgment should be, is he a good husband? Is he has he shown good husbandry skills? And and that's gonna tell you whether your life is gonna be a good one and taken care of. And I understand that everybody's got the the damn romance novels and shit like that. Well, that's not reality, and those dudes aren't good husbands. They're they're they're douchebag. And so the the husbandry is is the key, and that's what's gonna tell you whether whether that system's gonna work out for you. That's what you need to look at. And Yeah. Christie got to see that through the farm before we were ever married and that my decisions, even when they went against hers, she realized, like I said, I let her have those decisions occasionally.
And she said, no. What he what he's thinking is the right way and everything benefits from it. Yeah. I want a piece of that. I wanna put myself in that system. Mhmm. And so it's good for all of us.
[00:44:07] Beth Martens:
There you go. There you go. Yeah. I wanted to speak to this because quite often I get this comment about, like, the king hero's journey, and and then people would go, oh, you're the queen. And I'm like, no. That's not that's not what's or, you know, as if that's the queen is the equivalent of the king. No. Absolutely not. It's not even the same archetype. Right? The queen is more of an alchemist. This is one of the things that developed out of me. I haven't manifested anything yet, but the eight are archetypes of the hero's journey that I write about in my book, they've all unpacked into a whole bunch of other not other archetypes, but ones that are, like, in that family. And the queen is definitely an alchemist.
Right? Supporting and counseling the king where where needed or necessary, being the support for his rule. Right? So, yeah, this they they try to swap out the king and the queen, but that's just the trying to get the women to be the kings, which never works. Right?
[00:45:05] Benjamin Balderson:
It's trying to make the woman into an equivalent ruler, and the man is the law and the woman is the heart. And so, actually, the perfect example of what you're saying right now is with, Gavin Newsom. So if you go and look this up, there is an uprising. People are pissed because Gavin Newsom's wife during this protest has been seen going into the spa and, you know, hang and what's that? In LA. In LA. Going and hanging out in the spa and, you know, hanging out for spa days and things like that. Well, the the the queen is supposed to be the one that is understands the plight of the people.
Understands the the heart of the people. And the queen is the one that's supposed to go and have the king's ear and say, hey. You know, people aren't really liking this. And on the flip side, she's also the one that when the king's like so one of my favorite ways to put it is with kids. When I I'm the law. I have to punish them when they do things, but they don't understand the thing yet. They don't have it in their heart. They just understand the way the law works. They did came down right here. This is the line in the sand. Well, then Christie is supposed to go behind. And then, unfortunately, this system's broken a lot because women went to try to be kids as best friends and not supporting the system. The way it's supposed to work is she's supposed to then go and explain what happened to the kid also. So, you know, maybe you had to maybe you talked to the husband, but also you're the one who talks to the kid. So you're like, hey. I understand that that spanking sucked, but your dad did that because you tried to, drink poison. And if you do that, it's gonna harm you and you're gonna die and we're all gonna be very sad and you're not gonna be around. And I understand that that sucked what he did, but you have to understand that this cannot happen.
You cannot do this. So he was showing you how much he loves you by not letting you do this and setting up a boundary that you cannot cross. And that's a loving thing to do. This isn't, oh, dad hurt me. And he's the bad guy because he hurt me, and I got punished without any self recognition of you were doing a thing that was outside of bounds, and it was a loving thing to set that boundary up. And instead, it's and I suffered this with my ex wife where she would go be the kids' friend, and any punishment I put in place was too harsh. It didn't matter what it was. And she was then the the beseechure on their side. So in the kids' mind, now I'm just an asshole that just hurt them for no reason, and she's their friend. And so now the things that they were doing were okay, the and they weren't. Yeah. And so you've totally wrecked the system with that.
[00:47:54] Beth Martens:
I was victim to that exact same thing on the other side exactly. I was trying to have the boundaries. There's no boundaries on the other side, and then it was a a loss for me. So, yeah, how how tragic that that, inversion becomes. And so we had this as a, good apocalypse apocalypse chicken. That sounds like a good recipe, Dagmar. You should be making that one. Some yeah. Some really good things. Chickens
[00:48:22] Benjamin Balderson:
are a good way to start. There's no doubt. They're it's a consistent source of food. Lay eggs like mad. It's, you can't I personally don't eat my chickens. I'm a I'm a vegetarian. I don't, I do eat eggs. I do eat dairy products, milk, cheese, butter, all that stuff. But I have the understanding, and I I'm a farmer. I totally understand that chicken chickens don't care about those eggs. They drop them off all over the farm. When they when they actually want those eggs, they will do what's called clutching and they will gather them up. And it's only after a chicken sat on the egg for three days that the egg germinates and becomes a life. Other than that, there was never a life in that thing. It was never gonna be germinated. It's just gonna lay out on your yard. Something's gonna come eat it. You're probably gonna bring in predators by leaving it lay there because I promise skunks and foxes and all those things will start hanging out. You start leaving good food around.
[00:49:21] Beth Martens:
And Yeah. I I won't I won't go, do any egg bashing right now. I used to be really into it, but I'll, one last subject. Do you have time for saying I don't eat the birds themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But do you have time for one more one more section? Okay. So how did work change for you? You've talked about, you know, your your homestead. You also have some, like, livelihoods, some some trades. You're you're a jeweler, beautiful jeweler, by the way. Amazing creations. And I know you've made some remedies and gut bombs or whatever, those kind of things. How how has it changed for you since 2020?
[00:50:07] Benjamin Balderson:
Obviously, a lot of those things went a lot better when I was putting more effort. It's it's such an in interesting thing. Right? So if I put the heavy effort into making those things, then I don't have any sales. If I put the heavy effort into going out and exposing myself, you know, and getting and having popularity, well, then people and and I actually knew this from when I, used to have a a crystal business. If you were one of the keynote speakers, your shit sold. It didn't matter. If you were one of the other people just there vending, you know, everybody wants what the speakers are talking about. So, you just gotta hit me up personally. I had to bail on my store.
Just hit Benjamin Balderson on Facebook or on, Instagram or whatever, and, I'm actually getting ready to post my raps. But it's all that's all really slowed down, severely. I've had to, again, gear up more into the farm. We had, too many cows. I just sold some cows. The price of the price of cows is crazy, though.
[00:51:14] Beth Martens:
That's good. Yeah. This is you're selling. That's good.
[00:51:17] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. Well, I had two I'd gotten up to eight cows on my land, which is more than I need. And then and one of them was pregnant still, and one was a heifer that needed to get pregnant. And I was like, oh, cripes. I can't do this. This is too many. And then, so I've had to push toward that. And, again, once I quit doing all the interviews and whatnot, that all fell off, you know, because nobody's really hitting that up if you're not if you're not being popular. So that's all falling off, and I've mostly had to go into, just doing extractions for people around here, things like that.
And and, I'm actually an electrician and a and a mechanic. So yeah.
[00:52:04] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. You're a man of many skills. I love that. And, yeah. So the for me, the big thing that changed in 2020 was I decided to, instead of crying on the floor, I decided to start teaching the work that I did as a coach and how I did that. I'd never had to, I'd never put myself to the task of decoding all of that work. How do I do what I do? Typical, you know, feminine approach is it's all intuitive, and there seems to be no no knowledge in there. Well, it's now become a a seven month training, 26 modules, and I've run, almost 90 people through it in five and a half years, five going on six years.
Nice. Which is amazing about to do the next training starting in September. So it's the seventh one coming up, and, it's been the best education ever for me. I'll just say that I got I got to learn because otherwise, it was just all this coded stuff, and how was I supposed to pass that on? So it's given me a platform to be able to really work through that and, shout out to one of my apprentices who might not be listening anymore, but but, Melanie Johannessen is actually doing a workshop. She's a graduated Journey Code coach, and she's also apprenticing now to train the coaches. So I've got six apprentices, which I thought would be way far in the future. But you know how when you have an idea and then and then all of a sudden, it just starts, resolving and and coming into into focus. And, so she's doing a workshop in the house of free will for everybody there on somatic healing, which is something that is a good precursor to my work.
Because if you don't have a felt sense of your own body, then it will be almost impossible to deprogram if you can't heal what you can't feel. So this is a really good inroad for that. It's free to any House of Free Will members. There's still time to join. I can watch out for applications tonight. And if you just visit my website, bethmartins.com, you'll see the the section where you can find that application to the House of Free Will. I've just edited it to be current with my views. Some people would go to that page. Here's oh, here's the last thing I didn't talk about that. I went through a strong Christian, phase. I it was as if I was reclaiming my Christian roots. It was because of all of the work in law led to the King James Bible, and I had this big awakening.
When all was lost, Jesus came to me. This was real. This is real. I still have a very strong connection to that archetype, that being, that who knows. Right? Like, I'd I I make zero claims. I have no beliefs at all, just my own direct experience. I I went down that Christian rabbit hole. I found nothing. It was like confusion and conflict and problems. It ruined the beginning of the house of free will. It ruined it because I had some evangelists in there. And I'm trying to be open, and I'm trying to be, like, right in the eyes of God and everything like that. Oh, man. It turned away a bunch of good people. Very sad about that because they were super outspoken and very aggressive with their views. So I just want everybody to know that the house of free will is not a religious organization.
I have a relationship with God. I have a relationship with Jesus. That's my thing. I don't put that on anybody. We're not we're not doing that in the house of free will. The fellowship is about connection. It's about relationships. It's about being able to get along over time that stands the test of time, and that can go through a few bumps and a few things that normal life has and and to practice getting along with others because that to me, it didn't I don't care how great your system of survival is. It's not gonna work without the people. So that's what the House of Free Will is about. It's about education.
It's about knowing each other. It's about, you know, having relationships that, I always hope turn into real living, breathing in person relationships, but right now, it's all virtual, and you don't have to be afraid of, getting all Bible thumped or anything like that. It's there's I I still have Christian roots. I I there's still something there that my DNA can speak to if if DNA is real or not. I don't know. But, it's not what it started out to be. And so for the record, just want you guys to know. And, thanks for those of you that stuck with me along the way watching me go through that phase. I came out the other side unscathed and, with less Christian friends, let's say.
[00:56:46] Benjamin Balderson:
Well, evangelizing is a large portion of what a lot of them, you know, believe. I unfortunately, outside of talking about it, I don't really evangelize. I don't walk around pushing Odinism because we don't have that in feature in our thing. Like, it's just not there.
[00:57:03] Beth Martens:
Exactly. Exactly. I just wanted to make sense. I was innocent like a little kid. I just wanted to make sense, and they couldn't make any sense. And and they couldn't agree, and they couldn't be coherent inside their own thinking. And they didn't like some words that you would say even though those words are in the bible, like, almost every single page. But then that was against the law and stuff like that. So it it was just, you know, it it messed with me. And then when they started to break up with me, that was a sign that I was in the wrong camp. Like, it's you know? Yeah.
[00:57:38] Benjamin Balderson:
It's fascinating to me because not as a Canadian for you, but as an American, the literal founding was over rejection of the King James Bible. That King James had tried forcing his Bible and outlawing everybody else's, specifically the Geneva Bible, and had outlawed it and said, no. This Bible I had written, that's the only one allowed. And so that's what created the pilgrims, the religious purist because they're like, no. We don't accept that Bible. And so our country was founded on, and they ended up changing the name of the Geneva Bible to the pilgrims Bible. And so the country is founded off the rejection of the King James Bible and then to for the entire law, to be built around later on at some point. I don't know exactly when this transition happened, but eventually, the law, merges with the King James Bible, and that's super interesting. Because like I said, the country is founded on the rejection of it.
[00:58:44] Beth Martens:
Right. Right. There you go. Anonymous is asking. You had the same experience. The words the word was oneness. They hate that word a lot. And it's like, oh, I and my father are one. It's like they it's it's all it's all there. Right? Like, all the languages there in the actual text they they they claim to adhere to, and it's just not the the case. I just wanted to quickly share a link to that workshop that's taking place at 2PM central tomorrow with Melanie Johanison on the somatics. If anyone wants to come and make friends with their body, even though it's been weaponized against them and it feels like hell, because that's how the flesh and the bones has, kinda turned out for us.
But it's not a given, and it's not the, the end game. That's for sure. And then the book religion becomes very lonesome highway. Yeah. Yeah. It's really a a matter of, like, eliminating. And, oh, not you and not you and not you and not you and not you and just become the snob of the universe. And then I started getting x ed by those not you people. I was like, okay. This isn't going well. So, let's see. I might like this. I still like I still like some things in the bible. Not the old testament doesn't make any sense. Actually, shout out to Mark Archer, who I've interviewed and is a member of the House of Free Will. He's decoded a good section of that, and, I I like I like his take. It it made a lot more Bible made more sense through through his eyes, and he reads the actual Hebrew and and translates.
So John five thirty nine, you pour over the scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about me. 40, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. Maybe a typo on the 40 there?
[01:00:28] Benjamin Balderson:
I I don't know. I mean I don't know. Anyway.
[01:00:32] Beth Martens:
Yep. Yep.
[01:00:33] Benjamin Balderson:
Here at 39, though, I'll bet you that means verse 40 that this first thing Right. Thank you. Thank you.
[01:00:39] Beth Martens:
Thank you. See. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah. Exactly. Yet you refuse to come to me to have life. Yeah. And I placed life and death before you in Deuteronomy. Choose life. This I also very much choose with the living.
[01:00:52] Benjamin Balderson:
See, and here's where I have a problem, though. You're, of course, possessed by the devil. The the the you couldn't be here without that. That God the the Hebrew God is the sulfur side, and they're all sulfur sulfur worshipers. Although sometimes they go into the all the all mother, and so it depends on whether their god has a physical body or a nonphysical body or or no physical body. If it has no physical body, then they're talking about the all mother. And then when it has, when it's you're descending from something, then that's the sulfur side. The sulfur doesn't have a hard physical body like the negative side, the salt side, but it's still there. And, you know, light is still got particles. It's still just because it doesn't have measurable weight for us, there there's still something there. Like, when I turn on the light, it literally my house is just Edison bulbs. It's just resistance going through a wire, and what's happening is is that wire is deteriorating and them little particles are flying off. And once they lose energy and it disperses out into the air, then that goes somewhere, but there's still a thing there, straight up. But they they don't recognize that the negative side again, we can't be here without both. That's the whole that's the whole deal. So they're the positive side saying the negative side. Oh, demons are evil. You're this side's evil. Well, the other side thinks you're assholes too. Like, that's just how that works.
And and you can't be here without both sides.
[01:02:26] Beth Martens:
Right. Right. Yeah. I I mean, honestly, I'll I'll just say I I get absolutely lost. I my my mind maybe dissociates when it comes to trying to go through the eye of the needle and nail down the, you know, the cosmology or any of that kind of stuff, all the, you know, the feve wars that we've been, at a front row seat to for the last five years, and it's just so, like, ugh. I my I'm just I'm gonna stay in my lane. I'm gonna keep my narrow little focus where I get to witness incredible miracles and changes in people's life and my own life, and and that's good. I'm not gonna get involved in in the wars. I'm not gonna pick sides, whether it's political. Red and blue equals purple, you guys. Good. Like, that's a big awakening for me. And and just, you know, what's life for to preserve the time and the energy?
Right? I've given myself a lot of work to do, and I consider it to be important work. And I need to be available for that. Not all lost in space or fake space or who cares anymore. Right?
[01:03:35] Benjamin Balderson:
So yeah. Nothing I'm ever gonna have to deal with.
[01:03:39] Beth Martens:
Right. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, interesting purple rain. Yep. You got booted away from questions for Preston. They hate that. They don't don't question anything. And that's like you said towards the beginning, Ben, that's there's nothing that doesn't go under the microscope. You question everything. You're always doing that. And to me, that's like the ultimate. If you spend a lifetime doing that, then you're gonna get a heck of a lot closer to real truth than than, anyone who marries. They may they get married to the ideology and the and the ideas. Like, it's just it's it's ideas. It's all mental. Right? And then we lose
[01:04:18] Benjamin Balderson:
the real But that's what they want. They don't want a question. They want a leader, and they want that leader to be correct. And they're because they want that, they're gonna make sure that that's what happened. Again, they're they're living what we're talking about. In their world, this dude's always correct. And everything that they see is just a is just a confirmation that that dude's correct. And, you know, or or that system's correct or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, they're they're living it, and and that's fine. You can't you can't really criticize people for this. It's it's one of those things that you understand.
That was a hard thing that I had to learn because I'm very left hand path. Again, 2020, I was probably an anarchist. I'm no longer an anarchist. I understand that the first person that listens to my bullshit and follows it isn't left hand path either. That guy's right hand path. He's just listening to me and taking up my fucking torch. Like, the the so you you can't be mad at people that don't really wanna, go and think about it themselves. They've decided that what you are representing or what this other person is representing, that's what they want. There's a reason that even as an occultist, we've always known there's a difference between esoteric and exoteric.
Exoteric is for the masses, the majority. They don't want to know the deep inside secrets. They wanna see the shiny veneer, and they're like, nice. And then they want that. They don't want to delve into the secrets. That's that's just not for everybody. Esoteric's always been a tiny portion of people.
[01:05:52] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. The rare souls. That's what I I realized, that I am a, a hunter of patterns and rare souls. That's that's my new if I need an identity, that's what I am. And, well, this has been a fabulous conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Do you wanna let people know you know, we we've talked about I'd have to go back to the beginning of the chat, which I can do to find the, links to this is Ben Balderson's channel on YouTube, and then this is deliberating dog face dudes. Do you wanna talk about this at all? You're you're debating in these channels?
[01:06:25] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. Well, that hasn't worked out overly well. It turns out I'm not a overly debatable person. It's you know, people don't really wanna debate with me that much. We've I've had a, like, all the major Ortho Bros have declared have said they would debate, and then every one of them is bailed and chicken shitted out, including, like, Andrew Wilson, Jay Dyer, all these guys. They don't want none. And I get it. So but we are doing debates. I've been doing over to, like, Sarah, the raging tomatoes, the name of her channel. I do some debating over there and on, the powder dusty.
We get somebody to come over occasionally on our channel. We're we've moved it mostly just back to my channel. But it's it's been fun because what I wanted to do was this was for my personal growth. Because I have my own cosmology. I have my own way of seeing things, and you're always blind to your own shit. That's you know, your own shit don't stink. That's just how that works. And so I need I was Unless you're in prison in the hole. What's that? Unless you're in prison in the hole. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then then it's something. And then it's just, oh, it's all you got. That's all you got. You're like, oh, damn. My shit does stink. I better do something about this. It's but, I I wanted other people to poke holes in it and, you know, have some discussions. And through that, I would then, become better myself, fix the holes that I had, maybe abandon.
I don't know. But I I don't. Nobody seems to none of the bigger people anyways wanna debate and the most of the ones that, do, they aren't, well, we've had some great people on, but I'm not trying to say that our guests haven't been great. But most people, they aren't either either aren't great or don't want a piece. But we're we're certainly trying, and we do some great deliberating. So that's the that's the other thing. When we look at things, we're not looking at them from a side. Like, one of our most recent episodes was with, Wayne McCroy,
[01:08:34] Beth Martens:
and we Oh, I love that one.
[01:08:36] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. It's great. Right? Very good. Look at the the history of Lilith, where actual factual things about it, and then we looked at the beliefs of today. And do these things match is is the things. So the easy quick rundown of that is is we all know the story of Lilith that she refused to, have, missionary sex with Adam because it was the dominant position or whatever, and she refused to be dominated. And so she becomes the mother of demons and blah blah blah. That's not anywhere in the actual myths, in the actual biblical stories or anything.
So what happened was, the there's a play called the alphabet of Ben Sira, and that's where this story derives from was literally like watching a Marvel movie and me going, oh, yeah. But Thor did this in the Marvel movie. He's now got, that axe hammer thingy that he has in the Marvel shows. He doesn't have Mjolnir anymore. Like, this isn't true at all. This was a a a literal play. It was a comedy. And the in the eighteen hundreds so this was in the the, middle ages in the fifteen hundreds. In the eighteen hundreds, the women's Jewish movement picked that up as an icon, and we've had nothing but morphing since then. And so this is now what you're presented with, but when you measure it up against any actual reality, it doesn't measure at all. And so there's deliberating and things like that. So that's been a lot of fun.
And that is the truth seeking. Like, no matter how you feel about Lilith, whether you're like Lilith is my champion. Oh, Lilith is horrible. All the evil Lilith women. You know? Well, let's look at the actual truth of it. Oh, well, hold on. This is just something from a movie. You know, a play. Like, there isn't even any reality to it. It's there's no mythical figure. At least at best, you could call this a tulpa or something like that that has been given a lot of energy into this, created figure, but it's not a a a figure from myth or anything like that that had any reality to it. So that that's been kind of the focus of the show, and in between debates.
[01:11:03] Beth Martens:
Good. Good. Well, thanks for explaining that to me. I always like tuning in. So thank you for that, and thank you for coming. I will, just remind people that if you're interested in taking part of that workshop with Melanie Johanison tomorrow, you can apply to be a member of the House of Free Will at this application. I just revised the application so it doesn't have any goofy stuff in there. It doesn't, actually reflect me anymore. And, it is free to members, and the membership is extremely affordable. It can be as little as $3 a month, so then it that can't be a reason if you wanted to take part. That is where Journey Code is also located. So that's the coaching certification training that I created in 2020, and I'm about to run the seventh version of that. I guess it's been six years. I keep saying five years, but it's really been six since the whole world went went kerfluy.
And, I am in the process of having conversations already because I want to enroll that sooner than later rather than not, you know, get to the end.
[01:12:01] Benjamin Balderson:
That was five years ago right about now that you and I first met and did that, we were at that conference. Was it just five years ago? It was exactly five years ago. Okay. I've been, just had my fifth fifth anniversary, and the honeymoon of it was going on. We went to that trip, and Christy and I went to Niagara Falls before we got to that event and whatnot, and that was our, honeymoon.
[01:12:26] Beth Martens:
There you go. Yeah. I remember that very, very well. It was really nice to have met you guys in person there. That's amazing. Yes. It was. Yeah. Yeah. So if you wanted to reach out, I'll just let you know that if you book a conversation with me about Journey Code this month in June, then I and and you sign up for the training, I'll include a free hero's journey archetype reading, a personal one on one service that's been extremely enlightening for those that I've done, throughout this year that I created. I was never a reader before. That might have been satanic from my last, venture through Christianity, but, I I do read archetypes. It is one of my gifts. I have see through vision. I've been told. I I would never have said that about myself, but that's what, they read it in me.
And so you can just let me know anyway. You can come on my Telegram group. Can I ask a question about that, Beth? Sure. As
[01:13:15] Benjamin Balderson:
as you're doing that, have you noticed that people of each archetype, they look the fucking same? Is that weird. Right? I mean, don't get me wrong. There's some there is some variance and there's some people that are odd, but, like, certain archetypes, when I look at them, I'm like, why do you all look the same?
[01:13:36] Beth Martens:
Like I'm not totally sure about that because the way that I I conceive of the archetype work is that you're not you're not actually fixed on the hero's journey. You're in
[01:13:46] Benjamin Balderson:
a a mood. The people you're working with, you're trying to take through and and become a more fulfilled person. I'm talking about the people that are just like the epitome. Like, that's the only the only identity that they've taken on. They're stuck in that rut. They are just that one archetype. Is it do you notice that they look the same?
[01:14:06] Beth Martens:
I think I think yes. If I spent any time in in the more general public, I might notice those kind of trends. Like, you you know, you can walk down the street and you know that you're dealing with a computer geek. And he lives in his basement, and he's pale and and, malnourished. And, you know, so they they are recognizable, from from yeah. But but when it comes to the the primary archetypes of the hero's journey, because it's a movement, it's like music. And, you know, could you look at me and call me a rebel? I maybe if I wore my leather jacket, I do have one of those, or, you know, would you would you be able to nail me by my looks? I'm a little in disguise sometimes also with that. So, yeah, I don't know. I'll I'll maybe I'll have to just start start looking.
[01:14:51] Benjamin Balderson:
But when you said hero's journey, the hero is going through multiple archetypes. I don't believe most people do. I think it's a left hand, right hand path thing again. I think most people like that one thing. They stick themselves in that one thing, and that's where they stay their whole life. You're the this thing. Wow. Most people don't want to be all the things.
[01:15:12] Beth Martens:
You know, you're exactly right on, and this was a recent discovery. I I saw this how part of the engineering in in the the the SIOP ing of the last five years that we've been talking about is to bounce us between two archetypes, the child and the rebel. Right? Those two, you just go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. This came out really good in my interview with, Kelsey Kenny, the second one on ivermectin, by the way, and she was she was very she actually wowed me. I would my mind was blown after that interview, how I I saw I mean, I I saw that the the child was very seriously weaponized against us, and they had stickers, and they're wagging their fingers and telling you what to do. And then, of course, you saw the rebels that that bust out and were the resistance and said no, and we're a bunch of jerks. But I I hadn't seen that very weird figure eight, how they just keep going through that and never progressing on the journey. So you nailed it, Ben.
[01:16:12] Benjamin Balderson:
You bet. And and it's weird how they look. They start having the same features. You know? Like you said, you can pick out a computer geek. Like, are they a super liberal that their that their whole life is anti republican and they're, they're this figure? When you walk up to them, you know it. When you see that person, you're like, oh, yeah. No. I wanna deal with you. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna have to sit and listen about fucking the evils of the Republican Party and all that. Not that I'm Or vice versa. Or vice versa. You know? The guy comes up and he's got the high and tight, and he's wearing the MAGA hat and the specific you know, they're they're they're very, on on the nose with things. And and the more you're into this kind of thing and and reading people and again, like Beth said, it's out in the general public. This doesn't include in this private group where people are trying to figure things out and become something more and take a journey. For most people that don't want the journey, that just whatever, they they they like it's almost like putting on a uniform, and they somehow look the same to me.
[01:17:18] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. It's true. It becomes like a cartoon caricature of reality, right, where, you know, my goal is to be myself. That's my claim to fame right there. I wanna be myself. I always wanted to be myself. Nobody liked that in the real world. So I had to create my own world where people do like that, and that's the kind of people I like. So if you're truly being yourself, then you are an evolving entity. Things are changing and shifting your beliefs, your ideas. And, and so, yeah, it becomes much less pinable, and yet still, you know, it's through it's through language and words and action. That's more how I'm reading rather than that appearance. Those those are unmistakable. Someone can sit and and they will just, use all the child words, or they'll use all of the warrior words, or they'll use all the nurturer words. It's incredibly consistent.
Beautifully consistent. And it makes me so happy to see those patterns because it simplifies life that otherwise can seem like absolute chaos. I just noticed this question. How does my work compare to young? So youngians don't like me, just so you know. I've been hired for talks, then they go a little deeper in my work, and then they fire me. So they they don't like me. There are some things I would agree with Young today, but other things I would definitely not agree. Like, he considered an archetype to be an entity, a living entity of some kind.
And, and I don't believe that. To me, it's a lens that that life comes through and it takes shape in a certain way, and it's an available potential. But we have to cooperate with that. We have to decide to express through it to, whether consciously or unconsciously, which is mostly unconsciously is what people are doing. So, yeah, there's, yeah, it's it's it's not entirely unrelated, but I gave myself license seeing how the world of archetypes was, you know, it was like the wild west. There was no right authority in my mind anyway. If everybody was doing something different, then I could do what I found genuinely inside myself.
Because if I can't find it in myself, it ain't true. Or I I can't claim the truth of it. But this is work that came from the inside out, and I'm gonna just shamelessly flash my book. This is, Journey Map of Archetypes to Find Lost Purpose in a Sea of Meaninglessness. So you get a really good feel for these eight archetypes in that book.
[01:19:48] Benjamin Balderson:
I I can actually see where he's coming from with the the figures, and I actually do somewhat agree with him if you're looking at, like, gods. I think gods, while we give them infinite complexity, I don't think they have it. And we have more complexity than they do. So when you're looking at these primal forces, if if that primal force is like, even when we look at gods, actually, we understand this. Like, this god's the god of love. This god's the god of hate. That's not the way humans work. Humans don't love or hate their both. And so but with gods, you can limit it down. And so we are a fractal of of these ones, but then we're a fractal of the the negative side too. And so there's an intermixing like a potpourri.
And while while they're the ingredients for the potpourri and we're fractals of that, ours is all mixed together and and infinitely more complicated.
[01:20:46] Beth Martens:
I call them clusters. They're they're archetype clusters, and so no real person is gonna be a one dimensional anything. And that's why, you know, figures in history that represents certain archetypes, they're very complex archetypes. And so that's why I did the journey archetypes to break it down and and over grossly oversimplify for the purpose of making it accessible to people and giving them a window into the complexity that is not overwhelming. So they can go in. They can find one archetype that they're expressing shadow in. They can clean that up, reclaim the energy without having to understand the complexity
[01:21:28] Benjamin Balderson:
of the whole,
[01:21:30] Beth Martens:
of the whole universe. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a good question. Thank you very much for that. And, yeah, I think that's all. So I, I'm not sure exactly what, where, where we're gonna go next on the podcast. I'm I'm my I'm open to any ideas that people have for for guests. And when I really couldn't think of anybody, I thought of you.
[01:21:55] Benjamin Balderson:
Well, I agree. I appreciate that. Always wanna talk to you. We love you so much, Beth. We appreciate it.
[01:22:02] Beth Martens:
Likewise. So much love to Christy. I can hear her in the background. Thank you for your shared goals. Thank you, Christy. So beautiful. Alright, everyone. Have a great rest of your day. I know this one this is epic length, by the way. That's a longer stream than I've normally done. So thanks for sticking in.
[01:22:18] Benjamin Balderson:
No problem. Thanks for inviting me.
Like Right. So but what changed for you? Did did anything change for you? Like, I'm hearing your That I that I pulled I pulled all back a lot of those things.
[00:00:09] Benjamin Balderson:
I stopped doing any of those for the most part, doing any of the the catchy health things and just went to just good straight food. Yeah. And and really concentrated on that. And, I don't outside of that and I've I've done I've down to probably a little bit under half a pack of cigarettes a day. Nice. Yep. And I'm doing, rollies instead of, the pre rolls and all that.
[00:00:40] Beth Martens:
Nice.
[00:00:41] Benjamin Balderson:
So I just about quit that because I am getting older. You know, the mountain is is, it was starting to win me a little bit. I needed to back off the cigarettes, but, you know, I wanna quit those. My kids have been nagging me for years to do it.
[00:00:57] Beth Martens:
Right. Yeah. I think that's one of the big changes that people went through when especially when our our own medical system, which was already pretty inaccessible to me, like, I didn't want much of anything to do with it anyway. But when I saw the writing on the wall that, you know, they literally wouldn't let you in without poison injections and face covers and that those kind of things. It's like, well, better not be getting sick. Right? And it's still the other things can happen. It doesn't have to be just sickness. And one of one of the things, you know, I used to say that I have, healed from cancer. Now my my perspective on that is I have survived cancer. I didn't heal from it. I survived it.
I didn't die. And that's very good. Right? It's it's, like, means healing is still possible. But so what I see now also, you know, that that my my view of that I shouldn't say that word too much. It's highly sensible, which is a big c kinda thing. But but but how I see that is different, that it's just advanced toxicity. It's not, like, out of control rogue cells. And, and so I'm very much still healing from that toxicity, absolutely, 100%. But but not to get into too much, like, trying to argue the the positions. I'm just I'm just saying how it's changed for me.
[00:02:13] Benjamin Balderson:
No. I don't disagree with you on the toxicity. I think the toxicity causes the the out of control cells. Because if if you if you have a Lego building and you start jamming Duplo box blocks in there, and all of a sudden your shit starts looking weird, well, yeah, because you are and this goes back to the putting in the proper nutritious, building blocks of your body because you're we all know our body's consistently rebuilding itself. And that's a good thing as long as it's got good materials to rebuild it. If you're if the materials it has to rebuild it are diet coke and ramen soups, it's gonna do the best that it fucking can. You know? Like, you did not give it the things that it needs.
[00:02:56] Beth Martens:
Right. Well, that's another thing that, it that I did not see. So things accumulate. Toxicity accumulates over time. So things you know, that's where you get a lot of the health gurus in the the, you know, Twitter space or whatever, and and they're, like, 20 and 30. Well, they haven't hit that place where the toxicity added up yet, And they will be humbled by that, and all of their truth is gonna have to come under the microscope again because it's not gonna work for them. And, also, freedom accumulates. So that's something that's that's very nice on on that side. But, yeah. Oh, anonymous guest is here. So yeah. Right. And and it it really is. I just have to give credit if if this is a a record of all the changes. I have to give credit to doctor Garrett Smith, nutrition detective on YouTube, who I you know, I've never really become a champion for anybody else's work. I'm sorry to say I'm very self involved. I really, always carrying my own flag.
But this year, when I saw the truth of it, when I, for the first time in my entire life, have been able to make sense of my health, that things make sense, that there's logic, and there's ways, you know, not unrelated to what you're saying in terms of the food. We won't go super deep into it because I have interviewed Garrett three times, and I've been on his podcast. And, you know, people can go and and look him up and go go deep down into that. But, this is something that it I honestly I could have gone to my death not being able to make sense of things, and I have made enormous progress in the last eight now going on nine months where things I things I thought I just had to live with forever have, have made have changed. So that's it's a miraculous event for me.
And, you know, like, it just the truth world has been such a, a shit show on because it's become the marketplace and the the selling of the supplement and the selling you know, we've been we become so fixed on the remedies. So you got this element and then we got that remedy and, oh, you just need to take it for the rest of your life and you start seeing how, oh my goodness, on both sides of the so called camp, they've got the same messages. Right? Oh, just They both want the magic pill. I want the organic magic pill. Yeah. They want the magic pill. They want you that's right. Exactly. You got it. It it it's exactly it. And then that message, oh, well, oh, yeah. That that progesterone cream, it works, but you gotta be on it for the whole life. It's like, then it doesn't work.
It you didn't heal. Then you're just managing. But, you know, as it turns out in reality, it's really just suppressing your body's natural detox functions, which if they were left without, you know, massive amounts of toxicity coming in and you had the right building blocks to build the the things that would carry them out, you're absolutely right. Then a lot of things can start to to take care of themselves. So, yeah, the the truth world and the capitalizing on every stupid remedy that comes and goes. And you can go through the history, and you can see, like, methylene blue, for example, became popular in the truth world. There's now I call them truth or truth or drugs. And sorry to throw your ivermectin in there, but you got the methylene blue and you got the fembend. I don't take to to clear that up, I don't inject myself with ivermectin.
[00:06:16] Benjamin Balderson:
Good. Good. I don't have Excellent. To to also clear that up but also, ivermectin works like a motherfucker. If animals get parasites, which they do because they go out and eat poopy stuff off the ground, then, you know, I don't do that. I I just don't know what to tell you. I don't have a toxicity problem, but occasionally animals get the toxicity problem. I I don't usually get ringworm or or or pay you know, tapeworms or things like that, but they do. And
[00:06:45] Beth Martens:
ivermectin works real good on that. Right. Well, I won't go super deep into it right now. Maybe we could have an offline conversation about it and, there there could be could be something there for you. But, so, yeah, all these all these truther drugs, and they they were so proud that they didn't get the poison injections, and they, you know, didn't do the mRNA, which could be all fake and gay too. And but then they turn around and they take these other medications. Well, guess what? They fucking got you. They got you. Right? Like, it's just anyway. So, you know, that's
[00:07:21] Benjamin Balderson:
We did start this with good clean water and good clean food. The people that need ivermectin, that that became that be got won the Nobel Peace Prize because of Africa. What's the with
[00:07:33] Beth Martens:
the African kids with the fucking worms under their skin, and they're, like, rolling. Am I like, yeah. He's he's got a real parasite problem. He's been drinking some water with, like, some swimmies in it. Like, I know that Anyway, we'll we'll we'll stop on this topic because and then I'll keep keep on having something to say over and over and over again because I've been deep in this one. Deep in this one. So we can we can, talk it out a little bit, offline if you if you like. But, but, yeah, just the, you know, the the taking that concept of constantly looking for the remedy, madly looking for the remedy, having some little tiny thing, you know, that I hear, oh, take this, and then I run and I pound that stuff. I don't pound anything anymore.
I'm much more cautious, much more respectful, much more aware. You know, when the the natural health world says they're detoxing, actually, no. You are poisoned. You're not detoxing. You are poisoned. That's poison in your brain. You got a headache. That's poison in your face, you got a sinus infection. That's poison in your lungs, you're coughing it up. That's that that rash and eczema, this is not detox. This is everything gone wrong. And, and then, you know, the bottom line with that I've concluded, I'm saying making a bold claim that natural health is equally as weaponized against us, if not more than mainstream medicine. So there we're agreeing from your nodding head. And And I
[00:09:02] Benjamin Balderson:
a 100% agreed with the buildup of the toxicities and things like that. I a 100% agree with these things. Yeah. Yeah. And and and that you can't clean out fifty years of toxicity dumping in your body. In in two weeks, I don't care what magic pill they give you. So if you keep taking different magic pills because you still don't feel better, it takes a solid seven years for your body to rebuild. So during that seven years, it's gonna be ugly. In fact, not in fact, my grandfather, my great grandfather, when he was old and my great grandmother passed away, this lady came in, was caretaking for him and was stealing from him and was given and giving him freaking, arsenic pills.
And he he was dying from fucking being poisoned. Well, when he went in, he had to go to the hospital. Well, then the hospital, they they just start giving him what they're gonna give him, and he had started having seizures. Well, they sent somebody back to his house and got all of his pills. They come back and they start looking at the pills, and some of them are arsenic pills. Well, freaking, he's been now his body is actually suffering from the lack of toxicity. The The U it's it your body has literally gotten used to that poison. And now that that poison is gone, your body's like, hey. What the hell? This is how we've been working. And the same thing happens when you when you're an alcoholic, when you're a drug addict, you can put any kind of poison. We are we are crazy the way we can live through most situations.
I know. It it does the damage, though.
[00:10:36] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We get we get addicted to the poison. That was another huge awakening. It's not it's not news because you can see people addicted. You know, my parents on their deathbed, they couldn't stop drinking.
[00:10:46] Benjamin Balderson:
Why? Because they would have killed them. They're already on their deathbed. They just had a really weird thing. Two years older than me drink himself to death. Ah. Not even two, a year and a half older than me, and he just drank himself to death. It was weird. I just seen him in October and was hit been talking to him and hanging out with him. And then my mom called last week and was like, your cousin Tom died. Drank himself to death. Like, fuck.
[00:11:09] Beth Martens:
Tom, I'm sorry for your loss. Yeah, brutal, brutal. And I just wanted to acknowledge this comment, here I am, said thank you so much. You learned about Doctor. Smith for the first interview. It was perfectly timed. You were ill that day and it was new to you. And, it's the first yellow squash you'd eaten from the garden. Yeah, so a lot of things have changed. My diet has incredibly simplified. I have a lot more time on my hands because of that. I'm now in my garden, because we grow at the farm. I'm I'm gonna let that be my primary you know, like, where I put my sweat equity in every single week, and we just go and and we we do the thing. And and and the farmer is so much smarter than me, and every decision he's made about the land has worked. Everything I would have suggested
[00:11:57] Benjamin Balderson:
was not good. It failed in my That's why Christie listens to me. I let her do some decisions when we first like, the first year. I let her try some of those things on a limited basis. I'm not gonna let her wreck the farm. You know? But I let her try out some things, and she's like, fuck.
[00:12:14] Beth Martens:
It's Oh, I had to humble myself and say, oh, thank god you've been calling the shots here because everything you've done is work. It's amazing. So, yeah, we got ourselves to a place where we don't battle the weeds. The the soil has become rich and juicy and full of matter and worms and, like, we transformed. It was sand. It was freaking sand. I I told I said to myself, nothing's gonna grow here, and, that guy has made it happen. So pretty Sand is the best starting point in my opinion. Have you seen have you seen Kiss the Ground?
[00:12:48] Benjamin Balderson:
No. That sounds good. In Elaine Ingham? You need to check out Elaine Ingham and Kiss the Ground. She's she's like world's leading soil biologists. This is who I this is who I learned my stuff from. And she went into deserts, and within weeks, we'll have them in green just food gardens because the fungi, which is what your your real basis of what you're working with when when we're talking about the way the soils work and the fungi is your your your mastermind down there. Right? And that it fills in all that gap in the sand. It it's like it gives it just room to just bluish. And once that gets taken over, as long as you keep that fungi alive and and and moist oh, baby. Now we're talking. Now all your microorganisms and that now we're talking about a balance between all your different microorganisms, which is what actually sets your pH.
And so if you get that balanced, oh, jeez. It's it's the good stuff. And then when you start learning, and this is again something with your body, this is part of why I'm an antitoxicity person. Again, I wasn't recommending inject yourself with ivermectin people. Yep. We get it. Absolutely. So I'm antitoxicity because, like, in my garden, I don't pick weeds because weeds, if if they're a weed appears, and this is just a this is an actual fact. If you set perfect soil, food that you eat will grow in that soil. Weeds, they don't like that soil. That soil is is too base. It's not acidic enough.
And and and there's another one. The whole the whole, base community. That's not what they call it, though. What do you mean? Al alkali one. Yeah. Nothing grows in alkali. There's, like, bacteria in the whole world that grows in an alkali environment. Everything else grows in acid. Right. And go and go look up alkalosis.
[00:14:42] Beth Martens:
That was heard about this exact thing on on Gary's stream yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a complete sigh up. Luckily, my naturopath knew all about it because that's that's what they said. Oh, you have cancer, then it's just because you're too acidic. Well, it just couldn't be further from the Right. Cancer. So it won't grow in a base environment,
[00:14:59] Benjamin Balderson:
neither will anything else. Right. Right. What good does that tell me? You just nuked the whole fucking system, you jackass.
[00:15:08] Beth Martens:
Yeah. And it's a gross oversimplification because the pH of different parts of the body, first level of defense, totally acidic and needs to be. So you don't for you. Right? I had a mentor literally died guzzling the, the baking soda. So, yeah, that that doesn't work at all.
[00:15:25] Benjamin Balderson:
It's absolutely insane.
[00:15:27] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a this is a good one to to know principle. All all roads lead to love your liver for some reason in in my world right now. All the conversations end up going that direction, but poison on the way in, poison on the way out, that's that's a really good thing to understand. 100%.
[00:15:42] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. And it's gonna take time. That's gonna take time. It takes years. And the fact is is no matter how clean a life you have, a thing that I that if you start looking at Matt Powers and researching him, and this is to me, it's kind of a in between terrain theory and germ theory where it's called horizontal DNA transfer. So literally everything you touch in the environment, you transfer DNA with, whether it's through the air, through touching it with your skin. Your skin's the biggest giant absorber of anything. Your whole body is covered with this giant absorbent freaking skin that everything it touches, it exchanges something with. And so and and this this feature is is beautiful because it what it does is whatever environment you live in, your body starts making adjustments to that. Mhmm. Well, sometimes those adjustments don't come out good, and you shouldn't necessarily be around those things, and you have to start learning that and and whatnot. So I'm not a toxicity guy. The the a lot of times when you have something like that, it's cleaning out something else. It's something in your environment you should learn to avoid like poison oak.
I have a horrible reaction to poison oak. I I see poison oak. I will just steer the fuck around it. Like, you know, there's no reason for me to dick with it. It's it's just how it is. Some people don't. Like, the Mexican guys that I've seen out here, I swear they just march right through it. They don't even look at it. It's like, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. You're in a whole thing of poison oak, and they'll just look at it. K? K?
[00:17:25] Beth Martens:
Yep. Yep. I used to be high Hey. Hey.
[00:17:28] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah.
[00:17:30] Beth Martens:
No. I used to be know. I I used to be hypersensitive. After all that chemo, I was I had an explosion of poison ivy in my body. I know it was awful. It was awful. And then every single year without even contacting it, I would have a breakout of the stupid poison ivy. And about seven years, it took me until I wasn't
[00:17:52] Benjamin Balderson:
so poisonous that Right. All of that would be toxic to the present. In your system, and then once you reached a point where the conditions were right for that to express itself, it did.
[00:18:04] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Possibly my my liver was able to take on that toxicity rather than recirculate and have to use my skin as a as a way to express it. And, nice to have you here, Dagmar. I I love you, and I love your, black banana bread. That's become famous in my world. I shared it on Twitter the other day, and there's other people. Yes. Really, really good. You'd you'd love it, actually. It's, right up your alley. I will send you the recipe. It's super good. I added some spelt to it and, have a few little best friends is over banana bread. Miss Georgia,
[00:18:34] Benjamin Balderson:
she she was she was she was as shit out of luck. She got trapped in the winter and a tree fell across her was falling across her garage, and her generator went out and she needed it pulled out and changed. And I showed up and did that, and she made banana bread, and we've been great friends since.
[00:18:50] Beth Martens:
Nice. That's great. I'll send you guys this recipe. I bet you'll like it. Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice. Let's see. Where should we go? So that was on the health. I wanted to,
[00:19:00] Benjamin Balderson:
speak about that. I I wanted to just set to tell one quick story. One of the other ones. Again, try these things out, and I get it. Try them out. DMSO was one for me. And when when I put on my we were trying DMSO and some of my wife's products and, you know, her comfort cream, it's fairly well known. Her comfort cream's amazing. So we put in DMSO, and I will admit it works way faster and it worked better. Now here's the second part of the story, the Paul Harvey, the the that's the rest of the story. I felt so great. I ran outside, started doing yard work and accidentally some poison oak bumped against me somewhere. Now because of that DMSO on my skin, now that made it so my skin was super susceptible. I had no defense. And I I I went septic, and my whole d my whole body.
I mean, my eyelids were swollen. My my junk was all swollen. Like, everything, instead of getting us just a spot of where it brushed against me, it it it systemically got through my whole body, and that was because I had DMSO on.
[00:20:13] Beth Martens:
Yeah. So we'll have yeah. We'll have an offline conversation about that too. I used it intensely. I really gave it a a go. It has a duration paradox. It works at the beginning. It makes you believe in it, but it's not good for you. So I I won't go any further about that, but I'm very, very clear and very glad to not use that anymore. I can't I can't recommend it, so just to be to be clear. I like to jump topics right now, and and, I wanted to come, clean, I was gonna say, but one of the things that I've been into in the last five years big time is the law. Now I always said it. I have no interest in public law. I have no interest in, fake alternative law either, but I did about, I don't know, a 150 interviews, maybe 200, trying desperately to find solutions knowing that what was being done to us was couldn't be lawful.
And that's when we were encroached upon by the massive movement in the alternative law, and you got the gurus popping up from every single corner, and they suddenly and they all have the solution and different little, you know, nuances and secrets that they know and the behind the scenes crap and bullshit. I'm gonna swear a lot in this stream. And, you know, so we went down those rabbit holes, wasted a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of money. A lot of people are still back there. Right? And they talk about the birth certificate like some magic trust.
[00:21:46] Benjamin Balderson:
And when I started interviewing Brandon Sterling and getting some of them, you know trust one where they're supposed to pay your bills and all that? Is that what you're talking about? Oh my god. That was so bad. Exactly. That was so bad. I know. I know. Sorry for the sirens. It's really big here for some reason all of a sudden. You know what? I've been watching the protests for, like, four days, and so I've been hearing sirens for, like, four days in a row. I didn't even really notice.
[00:22:10] Beth Martens:
There you go. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It gets bad here sometimes. And, so I supported you know, we created law groups, the Manitoba Lawful Action Group and the Canadian Court Procedure Group, and, you know, I supported Stand for the for a time and not supported, but, you know, was interviewing them. And I came out the other side seeing that two thing there's two real things in all of that. It is basic core procedure. If you're gonna tangle in the public arena, if you don't have that stuff, you're not in good shape. It doesn't matter what you know and what you believe. Some people have defied it because of, you know, individual circumstances. I've got a client who just won in court using some of that stuff that I would say is not real. Kudos to her. Hats off to her. Whatever. She had a good experience. That's fantastic. But I cannot recommend that. You can go back in my archives and listen to all kinds of law interviews on Spotify and iTunes since my YouTube channel was taken down. And I I just for the record, I can't stand but behind nearly any of that. The prevalence of grifters in that world, outright liars, I think there's a good amount of them that that's how they didn't go to jail. They agreed to go and and spread disinformation or whatever it is. That's how they get to be free in the world. And, you know, I there was a a woman who was really, really badly taken advantage of based on one of my interviews of Daniel David. What was his name?
Shoot. I don't remember his name all of a sudden. But, and, so they ended up having a a really bad experience with him, and he made their life absolute hell. And he's, like, wanted and, you know, so just, like, so much crap in there. I I can't stand by any of it. I still keep the Canadian court procedure group open because there was enough people in there that were willing to just zero in on the facts and not talk about theories and, you know, share strategies and paperwork and what they were going through. That's still it's still open if anyone, you know, wanted to join that you could reach out to me. I don't know anything. Like, honestly, if I make a single comment on there, all I do is, is expose my ignorance. The more I studied, the less I knew.
It just became an absolute jumble. And, I, you know, I've made the the vow to myself that I'm just gonna do everything possible to stay out of the public arena, and that's that. Now on in the private domain, this was a big thing too because they were ready for us knowing that we were desperate for solutions. And I glommed onto some of those characters in that show and all of the things that they shared about the private domain, mostly a bunch of garbage. Right? So I created the house of free will. I was, you know, thinking, okay. This is we need to prepare for the end times and have a good community. I'm not going to uncreate the house of free will. It has developed into a nice little, tiny, beautiful, intimate connection with people. It is where I share my most private, reflections, and and my knowledge, and my work, and things about my own life that I won't come on a podcast and and share about anymore, that I don't need to be a target for that.
And, you know, so but but all of the woo woo around the private, that's that's that's nothing. I I did not change my status. You can't change your status. What you don't own, you don't control. Don't, you know, don't fool yourself. We are indentured slaves in a system several generations into it. And sure, you know, the the spirit is free. I know freedom very, very well inside myself, but, this this is all just a pile of crap. So the house of free will still exists, but I'm just me. Right? And and I'm taking the word ministry out because all that does is flag you.
Don't be thinking that that's going to make it easier for you with the government. The five zero eight c one three is a tax code. That is not a PMA, that's not an organization. Right? So all of this stuff that people still will come to me and and say these things, I I still get a couple of people reaching out. They want me to to show them how to create a PMA. Well, it is a financial and a lead legal designation that is to protect you from charging it is basically charging order protection to protect you from getting sued from the the liabilities.
Well, I don't really have that in my world because I only work with people that are self responsible. I make them sign agreements that they could bust through. The law isn't going to,
[00:27:01] Benjamin Balderson:
you know, that that agreement won't stand up in a court of law. Because people a lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between civil matters and legal and actual criminal matters. And and at best, those contracts getting broken are a civil matter. You're like, she said she was gonna do this, and she didn't. And now my business has suffered because of it, and this is the monetary damages that I want foresight.
[00:27:25] Beth Martens:
And that's the best you get out of this. Exactly. Shout out to Canuck's Law here in Canada, who is the one of one of the credible sources that she digs in and researches like anything, and she's all about the facts. I could I can't get her on a podcast, unfortunately, but I was, like, lusting for that. And, there isn't, again, a week that goes by that she doesn't publish somebody's case. And it's like, oh, yeah. They filed in the wrong court. And the pay the judge said the paperwork was garbage, and this, you know, thousand page document just didn't go anywhere. But meanwhile, they're they're all campaigning for you to donate, and and you're saving everything and everyone, and these people are still giving their money. Right?
Rocco Galati completely exposed, and people are still going, oh, poor Rocco Galati and everything. I don't need to go into all the minutiae.
[00:28:17] Benjamin Balderson:
That's It for me, I as I've said, I've been to prison. And, you know, this was many years ago. And, I fought like hell. I there was shenanigans in my stuff, and I spent, I'm gonna say, two years probably in a courtroom. And I saw the way they do things, the way that things go on. You hit the nail on the head with the first thing you've gotta do. Most people would assume the first thing you do is read the law books. No. First thing you do is read the court procedures. Because the way that court does shit, that's how that shit's gonna go down. It doesn't matter what the law books say. You're like, no. It's supposed to be like this. It don't matter. It don't matter. Guess what? You're gonna do what they say you're gonna do. They got the guns. They got the power. They're they're sitting in there. And and, yes, you have free will, but we live in a shared reality. And in that shared reality, they've been given the dominant power, and that's the way most people see it. And so guess what? You're lesser than most people, not saying individually saying a group of people more than you outweigh you. And so that's the way this is gonna go down. And I've seen them break their own laws consistently. Do it right in front of the fucking lawyers. They don't give a shit unless it's something big and bad enough that it can get overturned by an upper court, which almost never happens.
Like, yes, I understand it happens once a day or something, but out of, like, a billion cases, a thousand of them or 2,000, a small fraction of them gets overturned. Those courts, it's hard to even get into them. You you could spend years trying to get into them, especially for something stupid. And Exactly. Yeah. A minimum of two to five years, and there's absolutely no guarantee whatsoever of success. And and, yes, they break they break their own laws every single day. And because people don't know the law, then that that's allowed to happen. Even if you know it and say that, they don't care. Yeah. Like, he's like, guess what? End of the day, I'm the guy wearing the robe. I'm the guy with the stick. This guy here with the gun's gonna do whatever the fuck I say. You're gonna shut up. You're in handcuffs.
Like, yeah, like, that's how this works out. And, yes, if it's a big enough grievance and you have enough money to push it through, maybe you get an upper court to overturn it, and then you go and have to go through the case entirely all over again. And now that county has a grudge against you. Like, at at best, you get yuts is like that Paul enslaved who got who got off once on driving with no license. You know where he was? Denver. You know the way you know how packed those courts are? I've had buddies that got pulled over for legitimate things, and the courts are like, the court sent them letters like, don't do it again, but don't come to court either. Like, it's horribly expensive to run court systems. A jury trial costs something like a quarter of a million dollars for a basic jury trial.
Like, they they're overrun, broke. You can get off being a jackass, but that doesn't mean that you actually won the law. If they actually decide that you're a burr in their ass, they're gonna pull you. Like, that's the way that's gonna be. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't wanna be too, you know, like, black pilled about it because there are people that are you know, I've I've seen some successes.
[00:31:33] Beth Martens:
But, unless you're willing to make that your whole life, then I I wouldn't touch it with a thousand foot pole. And I feel sad for anybody that gets pulled into it against their own choice that that, you know especially in family law, that was the most disillusioning thing of ever. There's no remedy. There's zero remedy. It is an absolute show in the in the you know, I was so incredibly fortunate I could have gone that direction with my ex, and, and I had the foresight to not. Because I had a a girlfriend that was in the hole for $200 already to thanks to her ex pulling her in. He was absolutely in the wrong every single time, but he could find some slime ball to to represent him and keep going and keep costing her. And the parents had deep pockets. So I just that will not be me. I'm learning from from that.
[00:32:20] Benjamin Balderson:
And and sounds like yeah. You gotta know what pick your damn battles, people. Pick your battles. Exactly. That's the moral of this story.
[00:32:30] Beth Martens:
Right. Exactly. And I to this day, you know, I have an amicable relationship. I have transformed that doing the inner work. Seeing inside myself what was creating that conflict, what was entertaining that conflict, what was cooperating with that conflict. Even though, you know, maybe the guy hasn't changed at all, but I have, and it has made it so that we have total harmony in our dealings. Right? We're not best friends, but there's absolute harmony, a 100%. So it's that's a beautiful thing. And, you know, if you can avoid taking your your your personal private life into the public at all cost, please do. This is, you know, if you have to cut off your head and kill your ego, like, it's all worth it.
[00:33:20] Benjamin Balderson:
Just don't do that. Anyway It's a part of why you almost nobody even knows that Christie's a voice in the background to most people. Like, the the the inner inner workings of my personal relationship, they aren't they aren't particularly open. I'll make jokes about stupid little things, but I don't talk about the stuff that we're going through, you know, all that kind of thing. And we go through hardships. We definitely do. There isn't no doubt. But that's that's not that's
[00:33:51] Beth Martens:
nobody's business but mine. I'll deal with it. Exactly. Absolutely. Exactly. Oh, I just heard this this year, and I realized I made a big mistake that, that, apparently and and you guys can tell me, Ben Ben, you can share that that a man does not want to have a relationship with a woman who has a public presence of any kind.
[00:34:11] Benjamin Balderson:
100%. 100%. It's it's, and if it is, it needs to be like a very secondary thing. And and this is a confusion. Again, this is where ideas in the way the world actually works. They don't necessarily meet. And and it would be nice if we all were exactly the same. Sure. Sure. If we all had the exact same abilities, sure. Then nobody's got an advantage, but that's just not how the world's worked and is built. And the
[00:34:44] Beth Martens:
What would be your reason that that you agree 100% that you wouldn't wanna be with a woman who has a public life?
[00:34:52] Benjamin Balderson:
Because then she's got her own agenda, and it's not mine. And at the end of the day, my agenda
[00:34:59] Beth Martens:
rules this place. Right. But it would be okay if it was a secondary thing.
[00:35:03] Benjamin Balderson:
If it was a secondary. Right. If, you know, like, we don't have children, you know, that we're current that we're raising. We're grandparent age. And if she wanted to write a book or something like that. But at the end of the day, Chris Chris, this farm supports both of us. Mhmm. And I'm and I'm the one who's the decision maker on this farm, and all the energy goes into keeping this up. Now this is, at one point in time when Christy and I were not married and we were just dating, and she and she was on and at first, when she moved on to the farm, we weren't dating. And then we started dating, and then Christy was not putting into the farm, and she's like, oh, but I go to town.
And and she was basically separating herself from the farm because she had her massage business and everything else. And her thing was separate from our thing. And, yeah, you know, oh, I'll go buy some groceries right now. No. No. No. You're not separate from the farm. You you put in as to much to the farm as the rest of us. You you need to put your heart and soul into this just like the rest of us because that otherwise, you're a transient. And and we do not want no fucking transients because you know what transients do? Transients show up at harvest time, and they and they are not around for spring plant.
You you even even out here every year, come come harvest time, there is people wanting to come hang out at your place in droves, hanging out in the grocery store parking lots, walk up. You need helpers? You need helpers? They show up in droves at harvest time. Spring planting time when all the hard work is is due because every year, that's the way this cycle works. They there's nobody in the surprisingly, not a single fucking person waiting in that parking lot. There might be a couple beggars out on the sidewalks. They sure aren't trying to come do help you to get a get a meal, though. They just want you to hand them one.
And so this is the way it works in the world.
[00:37:03] Beth Martens:
Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Exactly. That you you want that, that team of of the the man and the woman to to be normal and natural. That is a place of enormous agreement with between you and I. Totally, totally get it. And there is the same objective, the same goal. Exactly. The same goal, not competing goals, because that is the downfall of every single relationship that I've personally witnessed and seen. And, so the reason in this case that I that I heard that, that a man wouldn't have a relationship with a woman who had a public presence is because of their privacy. That that's something that is really important to men and then that's been weaponized against women. And, you know, so that's so sad. That's just so sad that that's they've been the victim of of, public shavings. Like, there's billboards you go down the street, and it's like, oh, did your naked picture show up on the Internet? And, you know, all of that kind of massive breaches that the Internet has made possible of of, sacred privacy of of conversations, you know. And that's the thing that if you're gonna have a relationship with somebody, it's you make yourself more vulnerable than anywhere, and then it's just been weaponized maybe against men in particular, do you think?
[00:38:19] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. Actually, the origin of getting down on one knee is because this comes from, oh, from heathen society, Odens, and it was you took an air an arrow to the knee. As soon as you as soon as you, took on a wife, it was like being a wounded man. You are now not this impervious machine. You you've now got vulnerabilities. And that's, it's absolutely and especially and this is hard to hear because I know that, I know and I'm not saying it's not possible. Absolutely. There there's women that are known for their mind or their personality, but 99% of it is sexuality.
That's what women get famous for. That's what they're that's what they're flaunting. You you just don't see a whole lot of women that just specifically there's no sexuality tied to their to their fame. You know, and they get it easy. If you're a reasonably attractive girl and you do like a a a sexy dance video or something, you've suddenly got a 100,000 followers overnight, and they're ready to throw money at you and everything else. And so this is the thing is then now not only is my privacy ruined, but also this is Christy's mine.
Is she not yours? Like, I I don't need you lusting after her. That doesn't make me feel better. Like and and don't get me wrong. When guys do say when my guys do or, you know, I don't get all butthurt about it. I'm not a jealous guy because my wife don't give a fuck about you. Like, hey. You know, I'm perfectly comfortable in my place, and I understand where you're coming from. I think she's sexy as hell. But do I need the world sitting there checking that out? No. This is the wholesomeness of my home, the heart of my home. It's not yours. It's not yours to lust lust after. Get the fuck out of here. Mhmm. Mhmm. And has that changed for you in any way over the last five years, or were you, again, pretty solid in that? No. I boy I I've I've been, been like that for a very long time. Nice.
You know? Nice. That's something Christie made a lot of adjustments for. She comes from very liberal California. So, she had to move into the more traditional role and and gain a lot. And it's been a a long road to hold because, you know, that requires a lot of trust and understanding. Because at the end of the day, while I I say this thing, oh, I'm the decision maker, blah blah. If my decisions aren't good, guess, then I don't eat, she doesn't eat, you know, we all suffer. And and that's that's all bad too. All bad too. And then if if I'm living good and my wife isn't, then that's all bad too. Then the heart then my heart of my home is not is not feeling good. And if your heart's not in healthy, then the whole system's fucked. So those decisions need to come with a proof that that her best intentions are included in that. That her trust has been well placed. That her trust has been well placed. And this is part of why I'm very big on, to me, a a true alpha man, a leader of a man, it's only through husbandry that that happens. And the first husbandry, like, I'm big on having a dog, having a farm. You will notice whether that person takes good care of the things that can't speak back to him.
You know? They you can't talk to your dog and ask it what's going on. You need to you need to notice that. That that needs to be a thing. Oh, why is he limping a little bit? Why is he walking funny? Why is he gotten a little bit fatter here? Like, like, not too long ago, I had to get Portier, castrated. Yeah. Because his pro he he has too much test he has too much testosterone, and his prostate swelled up, and he couldn't pee, and he couldn't poop, and he got big like a sausage and back. And I saw I couldn't pee, and I was like, what the hell's going on here? And, you know, this is he didn't tell me he couldn't pee. He was going out and lifting his leg and doing all that. Well, if you're if you're not good at the husbandry thing, the things under you suffer. And so this is and where the woman's responsibility is is the going and picking the guy who shows good husbandry skills. I understand it's not as exciting. Just like for the guys, I understand the exciting girl, the one that's that puts out, that'll have sex with you in all the weird ways and all that, that's exciting. But if she's not gonna be a loving mother, then why are you putting your seed there? Why are you planting your your future there? You know, it's gonna be wrecked. That's idiocy.
And for women, it's it's if you look at the dude, your first judgment should be, is he a good husband? Is he has he shown good husbandry skills? And and that's gonna tell you whether your life is gonna be a good one and taken care of. And I understand that everybody's got the the damn romance novels and shit like that. Well, that's not reality, and those dudes aren't good husbands. They're they're they're douchebag. And so the the husbandry is is the key, and that's what's gonna tell you whether whether that system's gonna work out for you. That's what you need to look at. And Yeah. Christie got to see that through the farm before we were ever married and that my decisions, even when they went against hers, she realized, like I said, I let her have those decisions occasionally.
And she said, no. What he what he's thinking is the right way and everything benefits from it. Yeah. I want a piece of that. I wanna put myself in that system. Mhmm. And so it's good for all of us.
[00:44:07] Beth Martens:
There you go. There you go. Yeah. I wanted to speak to this because quite often I get this comment about, like, the king hero's journey, and and then people would go, oh, you're the queen. And I'm like, no. That's not that's not what's or, you know, as if that's the queen is the equivalent of the king. No. Absolutely not. It's not even the same archetype. Right? The queen is more of an alchemist. This is one of the things that developed out of me. I haven't manifested anything yet, but the eight are archetypes of the hero's journey that I write about in my book, they've all unpacked into a whole bunch of other not other archetypes, but ones that are, like, in that family. And the queen is definitely an alchemist.
Right? Supporting and counseling the king where where needed or necessary, being the support for his rule. Right? So, yeah, this they they try to swap out the king and the queen, but that's just the trying to get the women to be the kings, which never works. Right?
[00:45:05] Benjamin Balderson:
It's trying to make the woman into an equivalent ruler, and the man is the law and the woman is the heart. And so, actually, the perfect example of what you're saying right now is with, Gavin Newsom. So if you go and look this up, there is an uprising. People are pissed because Gavin Newsom's wife during this protest has been seen going into the spa and, you know, hang and what's that? In LA. In LA. Going and hanging out in the spa and, you know, hanging out for spa days and things like that. Well, the the the queen is supposed to be the one that is understands the plight of the people.
Understands the the heart of the people. And the queen is the one that's supposed to go and have the king's ear and say, hey. You know, people aren't really liking this. And on the flip side, she's also the one that when the king's like so one of my favorite ways to put it is with kids. When I I'm the law. I have to punish them when they do things, but they don't understand the thing yet. They don't have it in their heart. They just understand the way the law works. They did came down right here. This is the line in the sand. Well, then Christie is supposed to go behind. And then, unfortunately, this system's broken a lot because women went to try to be kids as best friends and not supporting the system. The way it's supposed to work is she's supposed to then go and explain what happened to the kid also. So, you know, maybe you had to maybe you talked to the husband, but also you're the one who talks to the kid. So you're like, hey. I understand that that spanking sucked, but your dad did that because you tried to, drink poison. And if you do that, it's gonna harm you and you're gonna die and we're all gonna be very sad and you're not gonna be around. And I understand that that sucked what he did, but you have to understand that this cannot happen.
You cannot do this. So he was showing you how much he loves you by not letting you do this and setting up a boundary that you cannot cross. And that's a loving thing to do. This isn't, oh, dad hurt me. And he's the bad guy because he hurt me, and I got punished without any self recognition of you were doing a thing that was outside of bounds, and it was a loving thing to set that boundary up. And instead, it's and I suffered this with my ex wife where she would go be the kids' friend, and any punishment I put in place was too harsh. It didn't matter what it was. And she was then the the beseechure on their side. So in the kids' mind, now I'm just an asshole that just hurt them for no reason, and she's their friend. And so now the things that they were doing were okay, the and they weren't. Yeah. And so you've totally wrecked the system with that.
[00:47:54] Beth Martens:
I was victim to that exact same thing on the other side exactly. I was trying to have the boundaries. There's no boundaries on the other side, and then it was a a loss for me. So, yeah, how how tragic that that, inversion becomes. And so we had this as a, good apocalypse apocalypse chicken. That sounds like a good recipe, Dagmar. You should be making that one. Some yeah. Some really good things. Chickens
[00:48:22] Benjamin Balderson:
are a good way to start. There's no doubt. They're it's a consistent source of food. Lay eggs like mad. It's, you can't I personally don't eat my chickens. I'm a I'm a vegetarian. I don't, I do eat eggs. I do eat dairy products, milk, cheese, butter, all that stuff. But I have the understanding, and I I'm a farmer. I totally understand that chicken chickens don't care about those eggs. They drop them off all over the farm. When they when they actually want those eggs, they will do what's called clutching and they will gather them up. And it's only after a chicken sat on the egg for three days that the egg germinates and becomes a life. Other than that, there was never a life in that thing. It was never gonna be germinated. It's just gonna lay out on your yard. Something's gonna come eat it. You're probably gonna bring in predators by leaving it lay there because I promise skunks and foxes and all those things will start hanging out. You start leaving good food around.
[00:49:21] Beth Martens:
And Yeah. I I won't I won't go, do any egg bashing right now. I used to be really into it, but I'll, one last subject. Do you have time for saying I don't eat the birds themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But do you have time for one more one more section? Okay. So how did work change for you? You've talked about, you know, your your homestead. You also have some, like, livelihoods, some some trades. You're you're a jeweler, beautiful jeweler, by the way. Amazing creations. And I know you've made some remedies and gut bombs or whatever, those kind of things. How how has it changed for you since 2020?
[00:50:07] Benjamin Balderson:
Obviously, a lot of those things went a lot better when I was putting more effort. It's it's such an in interesting thing. Right? So if I put the heavy effort into making those things, then I don't have any sales. If I put the heavy effort into going out and exposing myself, you know, and getting and having popularity, well, then people and and I actually knew this from when I, used to have a a crystal business. If you were one of the keynote speakers, your shit sold. It didn't matter. If you were one of the other people just there vending, you know, everybody wants what the speakers are talking about. So, you just gotta hit me up personally. I had to bail on my store.
Just hit Benjamin Balderson on Facebook or on, Instagram or whatever, and, I'm actually getting ready to post my raps. But it's all that's all really slowed down, severely. I've had to, again, gear up more into the farm. We had, too many cows. I just sold some cows. The price of the price of cows is crazy, though.
[00:51:14] Beth Martens:
That's good. Yeah. This is you're selling. That's good.
[00:51:17] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. Well, I had two I'd gotten up to eight cows on my land, which is more than I need. And then and one of them was pregnant still, and one was a heifer that needed to get pregnant. And I was like, oh, cripes. I can't do this. This is too many. And then, so I've had to push toward that. And, again, once I quit doing all the interviews and whatnot, that all fell off, you know, because nobody's really hitting that up if you're not if you're not being popular. So that's all falling off, and I've mostly had to go into, just doing extractions for people around here, things like that.
And and, I'm actually an electrician and a and a mechanic. So yeah.
[00:52:04] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. You're a man of many skills. I love that. And, yeah. So the for me, the big thing that changed in 2020 was I decided to, instead of crying on the floor, I decided to start teaching the work that I did as a coach and how I did that. I'd never had to, I'd never put myself to the task of decoding all of that work. How do I do what I do? Typical, you know, feminine approach is it's all intuitive, and there seems to be no no knowledge in there. Well, it's now become a a seven month training, 26 modules, and I've run, almost 90 people through it in five and a half years, five going on six years.
Nice. Which is amazing about to do the next training starting in September. So it's the seventh one coming up, and, it's been the best education ever for me. I'll just say that I got I got to learn because otherwise, it was just all this coded stuff, and how was I supposed to pass that on? So it's given me a platform to be able to really work through that and, shout out to one of my apprentices who might not be listening anymore, but but, Melanie Johannessen is actually doing a workshop. She's a graduated Journey Code coach, and she's also apprenticing now to train the coaches. So I've got six apprentices, which I thought would be way far in the future. But you know how when you have an idea and then and then all of a sudden, it just starts, resolving and and coming into into focus. And, so she's doing a workshop in the house of free will for everybody there on somatic healing, which is something that is a good precursor to my work.
Because if you don't have a felt sense of your own body, then it will be almost impossible to deprogram if you can't heal what you can't feel. So this is a really good inroad for that. It's free to any House of Free Will members. There's still time to join. I can watch out for applications tonight. And if you just visit my website, bethmartins.com, you'll see the the section where you can find that application to the House of Free Will. I've just edited it to be current with my views. Some people would go to that page. Here's oh, here's the last thing I didn't talk about that. I went through a strong Christian, phase. I it was as if I was reclaiming my Christian roots. It was because of all of the work in law led to the King James Bible, and I had this big awakening.
When all was lost, Jesus came to me. This was real. This is real. I still have a very strong connection to that archetype, that being, that who knows. Right? Like, I'd I I make zero claims. I have no beliefs at all, just my own direct experience. I I went down that Christian rabbit hole. I found nothing. It was like confusion and conflict and problems. It ruined the beginning of the house of free will. It ruined it because I had some evangelists in there. And I'm trying to be open, and I'm trying to be, like, right in the eyes of God and everything like that. Oh, man. It turned away a bunch of good people. Very sad about that because they were super outspoken and very aggressive with their views. So I just want everybody to know that the house of free will is not a religious organization.
I have a relationship with God. I have a relationship with Jesus. That's my thing. I don't put that on anybody. We're not we're not doing that in the house of free will. The fellowship is about connection. It's about relationships. It's about being able to get along over time that stands the test of time, and that can go through a few bumps and a few things that normal life has and and to practice getting along with others because that to me, it didn't I don't care how great your system of survival is. It's not gonna work without the people. So that's what the House of Free Will is about. It's about education.
It's about knowing each other. It's about, you know, having relationships that, I always hope turn into real living, breathing in person relationships, but right now, it's all virtual, and you don't have to be afraid of, getting all Bible thumped or anything like that. It's there's I I still have Christian roots. I I there's still something there that my DNA can speak to if if DNA is real or not. I don't know. But, it's not what it started out to be. And so for the record, just want you guys to know. And, thanks for those of you that stuck with me along the way watching me go through that phase. I came out the other side unscathed and, with less Christian friends, let's say.
[00:56:46] Benjamin Balderson:
Well, evangelizing is a large portion of what a lot of them, you know, believe. I unfortunately, outside of talking about it, I don't really evangelize. I don't walk around pushing Odinism because we don't have that in feature in our thing. Like, it's just not there.
[00:57:03] Beth Martens:
Exactly. Exactly. I just wanted to make sense. I was innocent like a little kid. I just wanted to make sense, and they couldn't make any sense. And and they couldn't agree, and they couldn't be coherent inside their own thinking. And they didn't like some words that you would say even though those words are in the bible, like, almost every single page. But then that was against the law and stuff like that. So it it was just, you know, it it messed with me. And then when they started to break up with me, that was a sign that I was in the wrong camp. Like, it's you know? Yeah.
[00:57:38] Benjamin Balderson:
It's fascinating to me because not as a Canadian for you, but as an American, the literal founding was over rejection of the King James Bible. That King James had tried forcing his Bible and outlawing everybody else's, specifically the Geneva Bible, and had outlawed it and said, no. This Bible I had written, that's the only one allowed. And so that's what created the pilgrims, the religious purist because they're like, no. We don't accept that Bible. And so our country was founded on, and they ended up changing the name of the Geneva Bible to the pilgrims Bible. And so the country is founded off the rejection of the King James Bible and then to for the entire law, to be built around later on at some point. I don't know exactly when this transition happened, but eventually, the law, merges with the King James Bible, and that's super interesting. Because like I said, the country is founded on the rejection of it.
[00:58:44] Beth Martens:
Right. Right. There you go. Anonymous is asking. You had the same experience. The words the word was oneness. They hate that word a lot. And it's like, oh, I and my father are one. It's like they it's it's all it's all there. Right? Like, all the languages there in the actual text they they they claim to adhere to, and it's just not the the case. I just wanted to quickly share a link to that workshop that's taking place at 2PM central tomorrow with Melanie Johanison on the somatics. If anyone wants to come and make friends with their body, even though it's been weaponized against them and it feels like hell, because that's how the flesh and the bones has, kinda turned out for us.
But it's not a given, and it's not the, the end game. That's for sure. And then the book religion becomes very lonesome highway. Yeah. Yeah. It's really a a matter of, like, eliminating. And, oh, not you and not you and not you and not you and not you and just become the snob of the universe. And then I started getting x ed by those not you people. I was like, okay. This isn't going well. So, let's see. I might like this. I still like I still like some things in the bible. Not the old testament doesn't make any sense. Actually, shout out to Mark Archer, who I've interviewed and is a member of the House of Free Will. He's decoded a good section of that, and, I I like I like his take. It it made a lot more Bible made more sense through through his eyes, and he reads the actual Hebrew and and translates.
So John five thirty nine, you pour over the scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about me. 40, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. Maybe a typo on the 40 there?
[01:00:28] Benjamin Balderson:
I I don't know. I mean I don't know. Anyway.
[01:00:32] Beth Martens:
Yep. Yep.
[01:00:33] Benjamin Balderson:
Here at 39, though, I'll bet you that means verse 40 that this first thing Right. Thank you. Thank you.
[01:00:39] Beth Martens:
Thank you. See. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah. Exactly. Yet you refuse to come to me to have life. Yeah. And I placed life and death before you in Deuteronomy. Choose life. This I also very much choose with the living.
[01:00:52] Benjamin Balderson:
See, and here's where I have a problem, though. You're, of course, possessed by the devil. The the the you couldn't be here without that. That God the the Hebrew God is the sulfur side, and they're all sulfur sulfur worshipers. Although sometimes they go into the all the all mother, and so it depends on whether their god has a physical body or a nonphysical body or or no physical body. If it has no physical body, then they're talking about the all mother. And then when it has, when it's you're descending from something, then that's the sulfur side. The sulfur doesn't have a hard physical body like the negative side, the salt side, but it's still there. And, you know, light is still got particles. It's still just because it doesn't have measurable weight for us, there there's still something there. Like, when I turn on the light, it literally my house is just Edison bulbs. It's just resistance going through a wire, and what's happening is is that wire is deteriorating and them little particles are flying off. And once they lose energy and it disperses out into the air, then that goes somewhere, but there's still a thing there, straight up. But they they don't recognize that the negative side again, we can't be here without both. That's the whole that's the whole deal. So they're the positive side saying the negative side. Oh, demons are evil. You're this side's evil. Well, the other side thinks you're assholes too. Like, that's just how that works.
And and you can't be here without both sides.
[01:02:26] Beth Martens:
Right. Right. Yeah. I I mean, honestly, I'll I'll just say I I get absolutely lost. I my my mind maybe dissociates when it comes to trying to go through the eye of the needle and nail down the, you know, the cosmology or any of that kind of stuff, all the, you know, the feve wars that we've been, at a front row seat to for the last five years, and it's just so, like, ugh. I my I'm just I'm gonna stay in my lane. I'm gonna keep my narrow little focus where I get to witness incredible miracles and changes in people's life and my own life, and and that's good. I'm not gonna get involved in in the wars. I'm not gonna pick sides, whether it's political. Red and blue equals purple, you guys. Good. Like, that's a big awakening for me. And and just, you know, what's life for to preserve the time and the energy?
Right? I've given myself a lot of work to do, and I consider it to be important work. And I need to be available for that. Not all lost in space or fake space or who cares anymore. Right?
[01:03:35] Benjamin Balderson:
So yeah. Nothing I'm ever gonna have to deal with.
[01:03:39] Beth Martens:
Right. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, interesting purple rain. Yep. You got booted away from questions for Preston. They hate that. They don't don't question anything. And that's like you said towards the beginning, Ben, that's there's nothing that doesn't go under the microscope. You question everything. You're always doing that. And to me, that's like the ultimate. If you spend a lifetime doing that, then you're gonna get a heck of a lot closer to real truth than than, anyone who marries. They may they get married to the ideology and the and the ideas. Like, it's just it's it's ideas. It's all mental. Right? And then we lose
[01:04:18] Benjamin Balderson:
the real But that's what they want. They don't want a question. They want a leader, and they want that leader to be correct. And they're because they want that, they're gonna make sure that that's what happened. Again, they're they're living what we're talking about. In their world, this dude's always correct. And everything that they see is just a is just a confirmation that that dude's correct. And, you know, or or that system's correct or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, they're they're living it, and and that's fine. You can't you can't really criticize people for this. It's it's one of those things that you understand.
That was a hard thing that I had to learn because I'm very left hand path. Again, 2020, I was probably an anarchist. I'm no longer an anarchist. I understand that the first person that listens to my bullshit and follows it isn't left hand path either. That guy's right hand path. He's just listening to me and taking up my fucking torch. Like, the the so you you can't be mad at people that don't really wanna, go and think about it themselves. They've decided that what you are representing or what this other person is representing, that's what they want. There's a reason that even as an occultist, we've always known there's a difference between esoteric and exoteric.
Exoteric is for the masses, the majority. They don't want to know the deep inside secrets. They wanna see the shiny veneer, and they're like, nice. And then they want that. They don't want to delve into the secrets. That's that's just not for everybody. Esoteric's always been a tiny portion of people.
[01:05:52] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. The rare souls. That's what I I realized, that I am a, a hunter of patterns and rare souls. That's that's my new if I need an identity, that's what I am. And, well, this has been a fabulous conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Do you wanna let people know you know, we we've talked about I'd have to go back to the beginning of the chat, which I can do to find the, links to this is Ben Balderson's channel on YouTube, and then this is deliberating dog face dudes. Do you wanna talk about this at all? You're you're debating in these channels?
[01:06:25] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. Well, that hasn't worked out overly well. It turns out I'm not a overly debatable person. It's you know, people don't really wanna debate with me that much. We've I've had a, like, all the major Ortho Bros have declared have said they would debate, and then every one of them is bailed and chicken shitted out, including, like, Andrew Wilson, Jay Dyer, all these guys. They don't want none. And I get it. So but we are doing debates. I've been doing over to, like, Sarah, the raging tomatoes, the name of her channel. I do some debating over there and on, the powder dusty.
We get somebody to come over occasionally on our channel. We're we've moved it mostly just back to my channel. But it's it's been fun because what I wanted to do was this was for my personal growth. Because I have my own cosmology. I have my own way of seeing things, and you're always blind to your own shit. That's you know, your own shit don't stink. That's just how that works. And so I need I was Unless you're in prison in the hole. What's that? Unless you're in prison in the hole. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then then it's something. And then it's just, oh, it's all you got. That's all you got. You're like, oh, damn. My shit does stink. I better do something about this. It's but, I I wanted other people to poke holes in it and, you know, have some discussions. And through that, I would then, become better myself, fix the holes that I had, maybe abandon.
I don't know. But I I don't. Nobody seems to none of the bigger people anyways wanna debate and the most of the ones that, do, they aren't, well, we've had some great people on, but I'm not trying to say that our guests haven't been great. But most people, they aren't either either aren't great or don't want a piece. But we're we're certainly trying, and we do some great deliberating. So that's the that's the other thing. When we look at things, we're not looking at them from a side. Like, one of our most recent episodes was with, Wayne McCroy,
[01:08:34] Beth Martens:
and we Oh, I love that one.
[01:08:36] Benjamin Balderson:
Yeah. It's great. Right? Very good. Look at the the history of Lilith, where actual factual things about it, and then we looked at the beliefs of today. And do these things match is is the things. So the easy quick rundown of that is is we all know the story of Lilith that she refused to, have, missionary sex with Adam because it was the dominant position or whatever, and she refused to be dominated. And so she becomes the mother of demons and blah blah blah. That's not anywhere in the actual myths, in the actual biblical stories or anything.
So what happened was, the there's a play called the alphabet of Ben Sira, and that's where this story derives from was literally like watching a Marvel movie and me going, oh, yeah. But Thor did this in the Marvel movie. He's now got, that axe hammer thingy that he has in the Marvel shows. He doesn't have Mjolnir anymore. Like, this isn't true at all. This was a a a literal play. It was a comedy. And the in the eighteen hundreds so this was in the the, middle ages in the fifteen hundreds. In the eighteen hundreds, the women's Jewish movement picked that up as an icon, and we've had nothing but morphing since then. And so this is now what you're presented with, but when you measure it up against any actual reality, it doesn't measure at all. And so there's deliberating and things like that. So that's been a lot of fun.
And that is the truth seeking. Like, no matter how you feel about Lilith, whether you're like Lilith is my champion. Oh, Lilith is horrible. All the evil Lilith women. You know? Well, let's look at the actual truth of it. Oh, well, hold on. This is just something from a movie. You know, a play. Like, there isn't even any reality to it. It's there's no mythical figure. At least at best, you could call this a tulpa or something like that that has been given a lot of energy into this, created figure, but it's not a a a figure from myth or anything like that that had any reality to it. So that that's been kind of the focus of the show, and in between debates.
[01:11:03] Beth Martens:
Good. Good. Well, thanks for explaining that to me. I always like tuning in. So thank you for that, and thank you for coming. I will, just remind people that if you're interested in taking part of that workshop with Melanie Johanison tomorrow, you can apply to be a member of the House of Free Will at this application. I just revised the application so it doesn't have any goofy stuff in there. It doesn't, actually reflect me anymore. And, it is free to members, and the membership is extremely affordable. It can be as little as $3 a month, so then it that can't be a reason if you wanted to take part. That is where Journey Code is also located. So that's the coaching certification training that I created in 2020, and I'm about to run the seventh version of that. I guess it's been six years. I keep saying five years, but it's really been six since the whole world went went kerfluy.
And, I am in the process of having conversations already because I want to enroll that sooner than later rather than not, you know, get to the end.
[01:12:01] Benjamin Balderson:
That was five years ago right about now that you and I first met and did that, we were at that conference. Was it just five years ago? It was exactly five years ago. Okay. I've been, just had my fifth fifth anniversary, and the honeymoon of it was going on. We went to that trip, and Christy and I went to Niagara Falls before we got to that event and whatnot, and that was our, honeymoon.
[01:12:26] Beth Martens:
There you go. Yeah. I remember that very, very well. It was really nice to have met you guys in person there. That's amazing. Yes. It was. Yeah. Yeah. So if you wanted to reach out, I'll just let you know that if you book a conversation with me about Journey Code this month in June, then I and and you sign up for the training, I'll include a free hero's journey archetype reading, a personal one on one service that's been extremely enlightening for those that I've done, throughout this year that I created. I was never a reader before. That might have been satanic from my last, venture through Christianity, but, I I do read archetypes. It is one of my gifts. I have see through vision. I've been told. I I would never have said that about myself, but that's what, they read it in me.
And so you can just let me know anyway. You can come on my Telegram group. Can I ask a question about that, Beth? Sure. As
[01:13:15] Benjamin Balderson:
as you're doing that, have you noticed that people of each archetype, they look the fucking same? Is that weird. Right? I mean, don't get me wrong. There's some there is some variance and there's some people that are odd, but, like, certain archetypes, when I look at them, I'm like, why do you all look the same?
[01:13:36] Beth Martens:
Like I'm not totally sure about that because the way that I I conceive of the archetype work is that you're not you're not actually fixed on the hero's journey. You're in
[01:13:46] Benjamin Balderson:
a a mood. The people you're working with, you're trying to take through and and become a more fulfilled person. I'm talking about the people that are just like the epitome. Like, that's the only the only identity that they've taken on. They're stuck in that rut. They are just that one archetype. Is it do you notice that they look the same?
[01:14:06] Beth Martens:
I think I think yes. If I spent any time in in the more general public, I might notice those kind of trends. Like, you you know, you can walk down the street and you know that you're dealing with a computer geek. And he lives in his basement, and he's pale and and, malnourished. And, you know, so they they are recognizable, from from yeah. But but when it comes to the the primary archetypes of the hero's journey, because it's a movement, it's like music. And, you know, could you look at me and call me a rebel? I maybe if I wore my leather jacket, I do have one of those, or, you know, would you would you be able to nail me by my looks? I'm a little in disguise sometimes also with that. So, yeah, I don't know. I'll I'll maybe I'll have to just start start looking.
[01:14:51] Benjamin Balderson:
But when you said hero's journey, the hero is going through multiple archetypes. I don't believe most people do. I think it's a left hand, right hand path thing again. I think most people like that one thing. They stick themselves in that one thing, and that's where they stay their whole life. You're the this thing. Wow. Most people don't want to be all the things.
[01:15:12] Beth Martens:
You know, you're exactly right on, and this was a recent discovery. I I saw this how part of the engineering in in the the the SIOP ing of the last five years that we've been talking about is to bounce us between two archetypes, the child and the rebel. Right? Those two, you just go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. This came out really good in my interview with, Kelsey Kenny, the second one on ivermectin, by the way, and she was she was very she actually wowed me. I would my mind was blown after that interview, how I I saw I mean, I I saw that the the child was very seriously weaponized against us, and they had stickers, and they're wagging their fingers and telling you what to do. And then, of course, you saw the rebels that that bust out and were the resistance and said no, and we're a bunch of jerks. But I I hadn't seen that very weird figure eight, how they just keep going through that and never progressing on the journey. So you nailed it, Ben.
[01:16:12] Benjamin Balderson:
You bet. And and it's weird how they look. They start having the same features. You know? Like you said, you can pick out a computer geek. Like, are they a super liberal that their that their whole life is anti republican and they're, they're this figure? When you walk up to them, you know it. When you see that person, you're like, oh, yeah. No. I wanna deal with you. I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna have to sit and listen about fucking the evils of the Republican Party and all that. Not that I'm Or vice versa. Or vice versa. You know? The guy comes up and he's got the high and tight, and he's wearing the MAGA hat and the specific you know, they're they're they're very, on on the nose with things. And and the more you're into this kind of thing and and reading people and again, like Beth said, it's out in the general public. This doesn't include in this private group where people are trying to figure things out and become something more and take a journey. For most people that don't want the journey, that just whatever, they they they like it's almost like putting on a uniform, and they somehow look the same to me.
[01:17:18] Beth Martens:
Yeah. Yeah. It's true. It becomes like a cartoon caricature of reality, right, where, you know, my goal is to be myself. That's my claim to fame right there. I wanna be myself. I always wanted to be myself. Nobody liked that in the real world. So I had to create my own world where people do like that, and that's the kind of people I like. So if you're truly being yourself, then you are an evolving entity. Things are changing and shifting your beliefs, your ideas. And, and so, yeah, it becomes much less pinable, and yet still, you know, it's through it's through language and words and action. That's more how I'm reading rather than that appearance. Those those are unmistakable. Someone can sit and and they will just, use all the child words, or they'll use all of the warrior words, or they'll use all the nurturer words. It's incredibly consistent.
Beautifully consistent. And it makes me so happy to see those patterns because it simplifies life that otherwise can seem like absolute chaos. I just noticed this question. How does my work compare to young? So youngians don't like me, just so you know. I've been hired for talks, then they go a little deeper in my work, and then they fire me. So they they don't like me. There are some things I would agree with Young today, but other things I would definitely not agree. Like, he considered an archetype to be an entity, a living entity of some kind.
And, and I don't believe that. To me, it's a lens that that life comes through and it takes shape in a certain way, and it's an available potential. But we have to cooperate with that. We have to decide to express through it to, whether consciously or unconsciously, which is mostly unconsciously is what people are doing. So, yeah, there's, yeah, it's it's it's not entirely unrelated, but I gave myself license seeing how the world of archetypes was, you know, it was like the wild west. There was no right authority in my mind anyway. If everybody was doing something different, then I could do what I found genuinely inside myself.
Because if I can't find it in myself, it ain't true. Or I I can't claim the truth of it. But this is work that came from the inside out, and I'm gonna just shamelessly flash my book. This is, Journey Map of Archetypes to Find Lost Purpose in a Sea of Meaninglessness. So you get a really good feel for these eight archetypes in that book.
[01:19:48] Benjamin Balderson:
I I can actually see where he's coming from with the the figures, and I actually do somewhat agree with him if you're looking at, like, gods. I think gods, while we give them infinite complexity, I don't think they have it. And we have more complexity than they do. So when you're looking at these primal forces, if if that primal force is like, even when we look at gods, actually, we understand this. Like, this god's the god of love. This god's the god of hate. That's not the way humans work. Humans don't love or hate their both. And so but with gods, you can limit it down. And so we are a fractal of of these ones, but then we're a fractal of the the negative side too. And so there's an intermixing like a potpourri.
And while while they're the ingredients for the potpourri and we're fractals of that, ours is all mixed together and and infinitely more complicated.
[01:20:46] Beth Martens:
I call them clusters. They're they're archetype clusters, and so no real person is gonna be a one dimensional anything. And that's why, you know, figures in history that represents certain archetypes, they're very complex archetypes. And so that's why I did the journey archetypes to break it down and and over grossly oversimplify for the purpose of making it accessible to people and giving them a window into the complexity that is not overwhelming. So they can go in. They can find one archetype that they're expressing shadow in. They can clean that up, reclaim the energy without having to understand the complexity
[01:21:28] Benjamin Balderson:
of the whole,
[01:21:30] Beth Martens:
of the whole universe. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a good question. Thank you very much for that. And, yeah, I think that's all. So I, I'm not sure exactly what, where, where we're gonna go next on the podcast. I'm I'm my I'm open to any ideas that people have for for guests. And when I really couldn't think of anybody, I thought of you.
[01:21:55] Benjamin Balderson:
Well, I agree. I appreciate that. Always wanna talk to you. We love you so much, Beth. We appreciate it.
[01:22:02] Beth Martens:
Likewise. So much love to Christy. I can hear her in the background. Thank you for your shared goals. Thank you, Christy. So beautiful. Alright, everyone. Have a great rest of your day. I know this one this is epic length, by the way. That's a longer stream than I've normally done. So thanks for sticking in.
[01:22:18] Benjamin Balderson:
No problem. Thanks for inviting me.
Introduction and Personal Changes
Surviving Cancer and Health Perspectives
The Truth World and Health Remedies
Detoxification and Natural Health
Toxicity and Personal Experiences
Soil Health and Gardening Insights
Exploring Alternative Law and Legal Systems
Private Domain and House of Free Will
Personal Relationships and Privacy
Gender Roles and Relationship Dynamics
Archetypes and Personal Growth
Work Changes and Personal Ventures
Debating and Truth Seeking
Journey Code and Archetype Reading
