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recorded June 12 2025


Benjamin Balderson and Beth Martens dive into a thought-provoking conversation on language distortion, objective reality, and societal shifts. They explore the challenges of modern bureaucracy, the pitfalls of simulation theory, and the importance of grounding ideas in action. Benjamin shares insights from his Odinist beliefs and farm life, while Beth reflects on personal growth, archetypes, and rejecting the good vs. evil paradigm. From wildfires to self-sufficiency, cults to leadership, this episode is a deep yet practical discussion on navigating truth, change, and resilience in a chaotic world. 


Key Topics:

• Language manipulation and lost meaning 
• Objective vs. subjective reality debates 
• Simulation theory and its dangers 
• Spirituality, alchemy, and Odinism 
• Societal decay, leadership, and class systems 
• Health, farming, and self-sufficiency 
• Wildfires, bureaucracy, and environmental mismanagement 

Listen for: Raw insights, philosophical depth, and real-world solutions.
This is a conversation between Benjamin Balderson and Beth Martens, covering a wide range of topics. Here’s a summary of the key points discussed:

1. Language and Meaning: They critique how words and concepts have been distorted or reversed over time, making communication less meaningful. Beth mentions the loss of positive vocabulary and symbols like the rainbow.
2. Relationships and Personal Growth: Beth notes changes in Benjamin's public life and relationships, including his show Deliberating Dogface Dudes with Marcus Allen and Steve Poikonen. Benjamin shares personal stories about friendships and life events, such as Steve staying with him after a separation.
3. Infrastructure and Bureaucracy: They compare the inefficiencies in construction and roadwork in Canada and the U.S., blaming excessive regulations and bureaucratic red tape for delays and poor conditions.
4. Objective vs. Subjective Reality: They debate whether objective reality exists, with Benjamin arguing for a fluid but grounded reality, while Beth emphasizes the importance of truth despite societal distortions.
5. Simulation Theory: Both express skepticism about the idea that reality is a simulation, noting it can lead to disengagement from meaningful action.
6. Spirituality and Cosmology: Benjamin, an Odinist, discusses his spiritual views, emphasizing the balance between opposing forces and the importance of grounding ideas in practice. Beth shares her evolving perspective on life, death, and the rejection of good vs. evil binaries.
7. Societal Observations: They discuss societal divisions, the rise of cults, and the challenges of leadership. Benjamin reflects on how his views on class systems and leadership have shifted, acknowledging that many people prefer to be led rather than take responsibility.
8. Health and Self-Sufficiency: Benjamin emphasizes the importance of nutrient-dense food and self-sufficiency, sharing his experiences with farming and reducing reliance on supplements. Beth highlights her improved health and resilience despite societal challenges.
9. Environmental Issues: They touch on wildfires, blaming poor forest management and glyphosate for worsening conditions, and contrast natural fire cycles with human interference.
10. Personal Reflections: Both share how their perspectives have evolved over the years, with Benjamin focusing more on practical living and Beth on deepening her understanding of reality and human potential.

The conversation is wide-ranging, blending personal anecdotes, philosophical debates, and critiques of modern society. Both speakers emphasize the importance of grounding ideas in reality and taking actionable steps toward growth and self-sufficiency.Episode Description:
Benjamin Balderson and Beth Martens dive into a thought-provoking conversation on language distortion, objective reality, and societal shifts. They explore the challenges of modern bureaucracy, the pitfalls of simulation theory, and the importance of grounding ideas in action. Benjamin shares insights from his Odinist beliefs and farm life, while Beth reflects on personal growth, archetypes, and rejecting the good vs. evil paradigm. From wildfires to self-sufficiency, cults to leadership, this episode is a deep yet practical discussion on navigating truth, change, and resilience in a chaotic world. 
Key Topics:

• Language manipulation and lost meaning 
• Objective vs. subjective reality debates 
• Simulation theory and its dangers 
• Spirituality, alchemy, and Odinism 
• Societal decay, leadership, and class systems 
• Health, farming, and self-sufficiency 
• Wildfires, bureaucracy, and environmental mismanagement 

Listen for: Raw insights, philosophical depth, and real-world solutions.







The Evolution of Language and Truth in Modern Society
Navigating Bureaucracy and Building Authentic Relationships
Spirituality, Reality, and the Quest for Truth
Self-Sufficiency and Sustainable Living: Lessons from the Farm
Challenging the Status Quo: Reflections on Humanity and Growth


In this episode, we dive into the complexities of language and how definitions have evolved or been manipulated over time. We explore the impact of societal changes on personal relationships and public personas, with a focus on the transformations observed in the lives of the hosts and their friends. The conversation shifts to the challenges of modern living, including the frustrations of bureaucratic red tape and the inefficiencies of construction projects, particularly in Canada. The hosts share personal anecdotes about navigating these challenges and the importance of truth and authenticity in their lives.

We also delve into the philosophical realms of spirituality, cosmology, and the concept of reality, discussing the fluidity of truth and the role of perception in shaping our experiences. The episode touches on the importance of self-sufficiency, particularly in the context of farming and sustainable living, and the lessons learned from practical experiences with solar energy and community dynamics. The hosts reflect on the current state of humanity, the influence of media and societal structures, and the potential for personal growth amidst global challenges. The discussion is enriched with personal stories, insights into alchemy, and a critical look at the "no king" movement and its implications.

[00:00:00] Benjamin Balderson:

Yeah. That's that seems to be the order. It and it's been quite a while that that's that seems to have been the order of the day where they've completely   either watered a word down to where it's meaningless   or,   completely reversed the definition or the definition's got nothing to do with what you think it does.   What's up, billing?  

[00:00:25] Beth Martens:

Exactly.   Yeah. They stole mhmm. They steal all the good words, and they stole the rainbow, and they still steal all kinds of things from us that were lovely to have in our vocabulary and our ideas. But,   that doesn't stop me from loving the truth and   digging the truth and knowing what the truth is, and I know you're a big fan of that as well.   So I've seen you go through a lot of transformations in the time that we've known each other.   Here's another one I I was just,   around relationships, how how those have changed. Now I'm I'm not gonna ask you necessarily to, you know, get into the nitty gritty of your own personal and private life. That's   completely in your hands what you wanna share. But I've noticed that a lot of relationships   have come and gone and a lot of changes. So you may or may not wanna mention   names, but, you know, just how that's happened.  

I've seen that your your public life has changed in the way that you are putting material out and,   you know, so that's got a very different purpose behind it. And that is Benjamin Balderson's   show, deliberating dog face dudes with Marcus. I don't know his last name.  

[00:01:35] Benjamin Balderson:

Marcus Allen and Steve Wakening.  

[00:01:38] Beth Martens:

Right. Right. There you go. Yeah. And I was on Saturday night really enjoying   your stream and just being real. I was sad. They're,  

[00:01:46] Benjamin Balderson:

two of the greatest guys.   Two of my, you know, very best friends. Steve's lived with me for a little bit even.   He got separated from his   long time partner, and,   they had kids and everything else. And, you know, it's it's that's rough stuff. And he did the right thing, and he's the one who left and, you know, left them set up. You know? And so he needed a place to he needed a place to hang out for a minute, and   I'm I'm in that place. But, yeah, these are they're two completely solid guys. I wish you would have been at the last year's flattoberfest.   Marcus and I both went there and the one in Vegas.  

Last year, though, it was, like,   almost like private because   we just got to hang out, and there wasn't that many people, and it wasn't an event where you have to do I mean, it was was an event, but the hurricane Helene   scrambled it. So, you know, there wasn't all the you have to be here now and here now and, you know, doing this. And instead, it was just kinda hanging out, so that was pretty damn awesome.  

[00:02:46] Beth Martens:

That's amazing. Yep. Yep. We just made it to Fargo.   Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Got across the border, and it's so much better in The US right now. Oh my goodness. Because it's just two and a half, maybe three hours drive   south for us.   It's exactly the same climate. And and as soon as you cross the border,   the roads are good. There isn't holes everywhere   like there is here.   There isn't a construction site   at every single corner. Like, it's a absolute traffic psyop here. They can't they can't shut roads down fast enough. I actually wanna call right now if I if I can run for a second, call call our, 311   locally and see how many construction sites do you currently have on,   and how many are you currently working at on a daily basis? That might be, like, you know, one.  

You can see actual people working and stuff getting done.  

[00:03:42] Benjamin Balderson:

It is, just so incredibly frustrating. I've got to imagine the red tape in Canada is worse than it is here,   and that is what stops a lot of construction around here.   You know, you would think that you could just whip it out. No. You've gotta go through 83 layers of red tape, and each layer has a person attached to it that you've got to appease and make an appointment with and blah blah blah.   And that that's 90%   of what's holding up construction sites.   It is you you can't get the purse you know,   like, let's say I just wanna do an electrical project on my house. I gotta go in, go through all the nonsense to say I'm gonna do it, get that approved, get the permit for that,   then I can then I can start construction after they've approved all of that. Partially through this construction, they call this the rough in.  

After the rough in, I have to have an inspector come out. Hopefully, in the next month, the inspector has an opening where he can come out and I pass that fucking inspection,   and I don't have to wait another month.   Then he comes out, says, yep. You're doing good. You're wiring it right. I can go start doing the rest of the stuff. Then I gotta line out another damn inspection.   Just with this dude, this isn't including the general inspector that's gonna come around and everything else. Just this just just for this one project.   And and so any of these things,   the red tape you gotta go through. And like I said, you you guys are more left left leaning than The United States, and the left leaning tends to really be about regulations   and giving as many useless people jobs as they possibly can. That's it. Exactly. Just building up that bureaucratic  

[00:05:22] Beth Martens:

element and, making a bunch of dummies. Yeah. But in The States, they don't block the roads when they're not working on them. That's what I notice. Right? We we block the roads almost indefinitely.   It can be for, like, two years, three years   where they close a lane. All you get is pylons, no work, no nothing. So fine. You're waiting for permits,  

[00:05:43] Benjamin Balderson:

then get off the road. Yeah. Yeah. I already do this. White tape or white spray paint and spray it. I'm in Northern California, and it's the damnest thing. They just spray with white spray paint around the big potholes. Like, hey. We can't fix it yet, but, hey. Look. There it is.   Don't drive in that sucker.  

[00:06:03] Beth Martens:

Exactly. Well, that would be preferable because here, it's people drive like, you know, like this and   and this and the weaving and everything. It's just insane. My my poor son had to learn to drive in pothole season.  

[00:06:15] Benjamin Balderson:

And, I Yeah. I used to have the jacked up f three fifty. So with the dryer, it's there isn't miss there it's choosing which one's the lesser pothole where I am. Like, I I'm clear out in the mountains. We get basic. You know? They they try to at least make it so we can get in and out, but it ain't pretty.  

[00:06:35] Beth Martens:

Right. Right. Well, having seen the contrast several times now,   in Louisiana, we would see a construction site would go up in the middle of the night. They'd work on with floodlights all night long. They would do the whole entire job. It would be clear for the traffic in the morning.   This is just absolutely unheard of here. Now it it used to be more reliable, but, anyway, I guess I'll stop complaining about the traffic.   I'm very lucky I don't have to be in it very much and can strategically get around on an ebike right now, so that's   that's better for me anyway. But,   yeah. So we're gonna jump in. That is a link in the chat right directly   to   the, show that that, we're talking about, Deliberating Dogface Dudes, and then this is a link to Ben Balderson's   personal channel. They stream to both, so you can go and sub to both of them.  

We, you're in the, club that didn't get their channels back. There's very few of us.   I've mostly heard about people who got their YouTube channels back.  

[00:07:36] Benjamin Balderson:

I didn't even try. I didn't even mess with them. Try. Okay. You know, I don't got the damn time this year. It's,   this year, we had too many cattle, and   I wish we actually had two more alpaca, but we still had babies alpacas and too many cattle. And I expanded my garden   and,  

[00:07:57] Beth Martens:

just too much too much work. Right. Right. Fair enough. Yeah. The appeal was really simple. Rose told me exactly what to do, what to say that worked for her and several other people. I went and did the exact thing, and I got a message back saying, no. You're not getting your channel back. So it's like, oh, well.   That's wild.   Yeah. Yeah. Kind of, interesting. Now am I that special? I don't think so, but, maybe I don't know who the bots don't like me or something.  

[00:08:27] Benjamin Balderson:

Right.  

[00:08:28] Beth Martens:

Right.  

[00:08:29] Benjamin Balderson:

Something. I I I was thinking I probably it's probably not worth my time either.   Right. Right. I I I don't say that wild of things   particularly, but,   I've got that air about me that anybody that's, like,   a a liberal, like, if they're super liberal and I'm not even a Republican,   they will just lose their mind and they think I'm the most is that accidental alchemist?   They think I am, like, the scariest thing that's ever fucking been,   and they freak out. And some of the reactions that I draw even in person,   they're just wild.  

Why? One of my neighbors pulled a gun on me because I was because I was arguing with her mom from, like, eight feet apart. I'm like,   you kidding   me? What are we doing right now?  

[00:09:19] Beth Martens:

Wow. And then what happened?  

[00:09:22] Benjamin Balderson:

Well, then I I pulled one, and I'm faster. I saw her going with it, and I'm a faster person. So   alright.   And around here, like,   maybe a month ago,   we had we were having real problems with, feral dogs.   So all these city people and I I'd swear there's a sign at the beginning of the road that says drop your half dead   three dog your dog that you can't take care of and don't want off here. And so they drop these dogs off. They pack up, and they're starving. So what do starving dogs do? They go find something to eat. Yeah. And, they killed my alpaca buddy, and they killed, like, three three calves out on the,   flats out here. None of my calves. My calves were locked up, thankfully.  

But my full sized alpaca buddy, they killed him, and his name's Buddy for a reason. Like, he's the one who was always up your ass anytime you were doing something. Like, do what you're doing, man. Like, he he was a good boy.   And I Terrible.   So I've been searching,   making sure that's not a problem since. And, obviously, you gotta go you gotta go arm because,   hey, don't know what you're gonna do. Just a pack of feral dogs.   I hate  

[00:10:38] Beth Martens:

Exactly. Exactly. Wow. Oh my goodness. That's a lot. Yeah. I've heard over the years how much loss and and death you've had to deal with because you're running a very lively   operation   full of life.   That is farm life. That is farm life. Yep. Yep. It's good to see through your eyes.   So before we dive right into the topic that we're gonna talk about growing today on many different levels, I just, saw any word made a comment.   Objective truth versus subjective truth, assuming reality is fluid, then objective reality might not be possible.   You wanna comment on that? I have lots to say.  



[00:11:17] Benjamin Balderson:

I I I think there is an objective reality, although I do agree that it's fluid.   It change it's changing and moving over time, and it but,   like, objective reality and and I've had this debate before, and I don't even understand, like, even, like, the hard Christians that think that it's there's an objective   reality to, like, morals and things like that.   Like, objective reality, there's like, you know, I'm holding this this screw. Here's a screw.   It is what it is.   That's that's objective. Yeah. Whether you believe in it or not. Yeah. Right. And and subjectively, you know, like, to me, this is something to put a house together. It's an implement. It's, you know, a hard piece of hardware.   I'm happy to have them around. You know?  

Some people   might feel entirely differently about it. You can feel however you want about anything, but at the end of the day, there is   some actual reality that is is true in there.   A a tree does make a sound in the woods when it falls even if nobody hears it. That that's, you know, we aren't needed   for that.   I do understand the double slit experiment that we're altering   reality to some degree. I I don't under I don't disagree with that.   That but   we only altered   a course of a thing. We didn't really end up changing much. Like, I can take and change the river's flow just ever so slightly, but the river's still gonna do what it does.   Man likes to do that. They like to put up things against nature,   and it might take nature a hundred years, five hundred years to win, but it wins every time. It's   every time because   it's got the time. Our little blip of a change that we made didn't mean shit.  



[00:13:09] Beth Martens:

Nicely said. Nicely said. Yeah.   Reality doesn't matter what you think or feel or believe about it.   Right? That that doesn't condition it. That's that's where people have got lost, I think, in the child archetype. And, you know,   if you believe it's real, it's real. It's like, no. It's fake and gay.  

[00:13:30] Benjamin Balderson:

Also, the big push with the, all the people that are on the,   where we're a computer simulation theory. We're we're this is a simulation. So Right. That takes away all actual reality. Now it's like the matrix where it's all just code that can be completely manipulated. So that's that goes along with that also.  

[00:13:51] Beth Martens:

Indeed. Yeah. That was fancy. We as mentioned, we took that trip to Fargo, and,   my son heard about simulation theory, so he brought it up.   And I I probably wouldn't have gone there with him. The conversation gets very deep, very fast, and he he put an end to it fairly fast. Didn't wanna go into the intense philosophical realm, but we both basically said, yeah, we don't know.   And, you know, it's possible that this world is   simulated out of,   consciousness, but but that doesn't make it not real.   Right? That   everything has a source. It came from somewhere, and I I do have a sense of code. Like, I I use that word code   to describe   all kinds of, especially internal experiences. To me, that's all that's all code and can be decoded.  

So I'm a strong stand for that. But at the end of the day, what are you gonna do differently if it's a simulation? Like, what what does that lead people into a dystopic mindset   where they don't care, they don't take action on things that are important about life. If you're using your   belief in simulation for that purpose, then   that that to me just doesn't,  

[00:15:04] Benjamin Balderson:

do justice to life. Well, even if you go the opposite way and it's just all peaches and cream and everything's   what you're what you're imagining,   that's not that's not gonna work out either because the problem is is we live in this shared bubble. So definitely,   you're influencing reality, but so is everybody else around you.   And it so   you don't I understand there's definitely some people with a stronger will, with a stronger bubble.   Their influence is much greater. I get that.   But   you can't break basic laws.   Not anybody I've ever seen or or or or know enough.  

Outside of superhero stories   that are all made up, there's not any people doing any of these type of things, and they they I I know there's a lot of people that really want to, and there's a bunch of people that think that they can, and they just haven't figured figured it out. And don't get me wrong. I think there's a bunch of human abilities that we haven't tapped, and we have abilities to work with and manipulate reality   that we don't quite understand yet.   I get that.   Yep. But I don't I don't think you can invert reality.   I I I think there's still basic truths.  

And   if we're a simulation theory, what are we a simulation of?   And I something.  

[00:16:31] Beth Martens:

Right. And I asked my son, who's the simulator? Right? If it's a simulation, then there's a simulator   generating   the simulation. Right? So then you get you get pretty deep. Hello, Sue Fanelli.   Sue Fanelli.   That didn't come out. Right? And indoctrinated saying hi.   Severide.   They say, oh, yeah. Ryan. Oh, that's subtle. I totally didn't get that.  

[00:16:53] Benjamin Balderson:

I the,   other thing I have to say about that is is that also pushes because there's a huge   problem.   Like, even if you look at the Kybalion,   the   Kybalion breaks its own rules   where everything descends   from this source,   and it's all a dissension.   Well, it even that breaks its own rules   even.   Like, it's always a polarity. So the the the problem with this idea that any idea   can just can work if you just want hard enough or for enough of us want it hard enough, which   I'm not saying some of them won't, but not any idea. You can't just do anything.   There there is rules.  

And   the problem is is   if, say, I got a pile of,   hardware,   and   I'm gonna try and turn this off.   Thank you. You. While you're doing that, I'll just normally happen. I got it. Okay. Say you have a pile of material.   The thing is is you can imagine a mansion.   But if you only got enough pile of material to build the 30 by 40 shack that I live in, that's what you're gonna get.   Like, no matter how how hard you imagine this shit's gonna be a mansion.   And that's that's where the problem with that everything descending.   It's it's not just as an alchemist, it's not just the sulfur and the salt.  

It's the two balance each other out in order if you're trying to make the stone. You put too much sulfur in there, it's too liquidy. It won't solidify. You put too much salt in there, it's grainy. It won't turn liquid. Like, this is how this works. And so there's a there's a second side. So, yes, we have this infinite possibilities   in in the thought sphere.   And then we have extremely   finite fucking possibilities   in the material sphere.   And where the two come together   and and really, I would call that one the crystal crystal sphere.   And where the two come together here on the carbon plane,   that's what you can you've got possibilities.  

I've got a box of Legos.   I could build, the spaceship that the Lego box said, or I could make it into a little gun, or I could make it into a little castle,   but I cannot make it into   something bigger, more intricate,   things like that. I I can work with what I got, but there's still gonna be finite possibilities. So what they're doing is is sticking just solely in the sulfur   chaos   thought sphere   and then not having any grounded recognition of what is truly possible here.  

[00:19:39] Beth Martens:

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.   Very, very good.   So   we're gonna talk today about   areas of change and growth.   And since we're already kinda deep into that,   you know, would you call it spirituality, metaphysics,   cosmology   kind of arena, not religion for for either of us. I don't think we either of us relate to the word religion.   But has anything   there changed for you over the last five years in particular, or is that a kind of solid,   paradigm for you?  

[00:20:18] Benjamin Balderson:

I'm I'm obviously still an Odinist. Okay.   My,   thoughts and actually what we were just talking about is the perfect,   segue into that   because for the last five for the last,   five years ago, we were hot and heavy on doing podcasts.   And,   there's a there was a whole lot of thoughts getting thrown out there.   A whole lot.   And   that's that's that's good. That that really is. I'm not criticizing   the thought side.   Obviously, you need an engineer to, you know, create this wonderful idea.   But then when it comes time to actually implement it, which is where the problem that I see most   around the community.  

Too many jumped off and   they just needed the next thought, the next thought, the next thought. And at some point in time, you gotta take the good the the good ones, the ones you think are viable and will work,   and you implement them in your life and you try them out   and you do them.   A good example is,   solar.   Everybody thinks solar is this giant thing.   I've got fairly top of the line solar panels. They're the ones that'll pick up,   good power even in, cloudy days with no sun showing whatsoever.   They're 300 watt. They make a little bit bigger ones now, but not very much. I think three sixty.   I have 48 of them   and lived in Redding, California,   where the sun is, like, three   freaking feet away, and the sun will   literally   like, you could take one of them plat Rubbermaid totes and real nice ones. You stick it outside for three months. You go to pick it up, it shatters like glass. Mhmm. Because the sun just cooks   everything like you wouldn't believe.  

And   still, there was maybe   three or four months a year where I was able to not generator have generator backup.   And we don't live fancy. Like, when I go in and visit people in the city, I can hear their house. It sounds like a beehive.   It like, there's so many electric things going on all the time in everybody's house. I can hear it because in my house, like, right now, we're running off of, like, an 1,800 watt generator,   which   is less than is like a 15 amp circuit, and it's running everything in here including this.   And then we shut down at night, there's absolutely nothing. There's no power lines. There's no telephone lines. There's no nothing around us.  

So   that consumption's   giant   giant people.  

[00:23:14] Beth Martens:

Right. Right.   Yeah. And there's, things about solar. It was put out as, like, the carrot for everything. And, one one thing they didn't tell people about solar was don't put it over your head   on top of your house, which is where a lot of people end up using that. And the,   the damage of the EMFs   related to that are really off the charts.   Welcome. Stacy just said that they're they're they're junking up the desert with all of those, things that actually turn into toxic garbage   at the end of the day. So not exactly I mean, we don't need to blow holes in the whole,   you know, climateemic.  



[00:23:52] Benjamin Balderson:

But just saying that   these wonderful ideas, and I was all about it. I had 48 solar panels. I had a Yeah. You know, I had a $14,000   battery bank, which doesn't last that long. They only, like, good for seven or eight years. They got newer batteries now that are better, but   you you're still not talking like a a real great idea.   You go live it out and actually try to live this out,   and you're like,   maybe not so much. The one now now solar does work for some things, like I have a Grunfo solar water pump.   And so anytime the sun's out, that thing's pumping, and it doesn't cost me anything, and it's a real nice deal, and it keeps it keeps everything flowing. Well,   that that's a specific use.  

But the to run a fridge, to run a,   especially, like, anything that has a heat element in it, a heat element literally is just creating ohms,   creating resistance, the resistance where you loot where electricity   dumps off and doesn't make it to the other end is heat.   And that's that's very basic heat and then light.   And so   that but that takes a ton of power. It's trying to push through something. It's not really meant to push through. That's why it's resisting like hell.   Right. Huge power drains. So while it was a while it's a wonderful idea and it has its uses   in the way that most of us live, it's not real functional for most people. I mean, I I've seen some people that can make it, but for the most part,   everybody's got their generator back up. At the end of the day, there's,   different ways to to start utilizing that. You take the George Weisman hydrogen machine,   and you implement that into your diesel generator, and you get, like and you're up your your ability to,   run for longer.  

You could start using biodiesel. There's ways to do that. But at the end of the day, the way Americans have set themselves up, and I live this way too,   it requires some  

[00:26:01] Beth Martens:

power. Right. Right. There you go. Yeah.   And, and so nothing just back to the, like, spirituality,   cosmology,   you're an. Nothing's really changed for you there.   What about how you see people? Like, what what's your your view of people? Has that changed in the last five years?  

[00:26:20] Benjamin Balderson:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I pulled obviously, most people know I pulled back pretty heavily. I don't really, do much for interviews anymore.   Mhmm.   Even it was funny. Last year, at Christy's family has this whole, she's from a Danish town, and she's Danish.   Yeah. This Danish days thing. And my, old producer, Jared,   came and,   hung out and with his mom, brought his mom. It was pretty neat.   But even he said that he'd he'd bailed because   nobody was actually doing any of these things.   Like like, at the end of the day, it it it becomes like a stoner thing. Like, oh, it'd be cool. You know? And you just have these wild ideas.   And then you start I started seeing a real heavy spiral there for a while, and it seems to have settled down. But they're they the conspiracy   started getting super wild. Like,   the the planes can fly without without fuel.  

I'm I'm just a I'm just a I was a grunt in the army in a in   a turbine   was one of the things I worked on. I was a mechanic.   Nobody's special. No no great special clearance. Just a grunt ass mechanic that was greasy all the time and turbine engines don't run off air.   Hey. I can just tell you that. I don't know what to say. It's a the the the the places   the people the places that they have to go in order to make some of these things make sense,   I I I'm just not with it.   And then when you   aren't   down with their thing,   they're they are gonna get real nasty with you,   which isn't,   the case with some people, but with a lot, like, Beth and I have disagreed with things over the years, and it doesn't change our relationship.  

We disagree with things right now, and it doesn't matter.  

[00:28:14] Beth Martens:

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. When I'm having you on, I don't I'm not thinking, oh, is he gonna agree with me on everything? No. That's actually not even the point. Now there are other people I won't I don't agree with and I won't have on. I just won't. Right. Because then I'm gonna just argue with them or I'm gonna, you know, challenge them or something like that. So I'd rather you know, because it kinda comes down to the heart. And my question was really more about   how do you see humanity?   Has that changed   over the last five years?  



[00:28:45] Benjamin Balderson:

Yeah.   I had a lot more hope five years ago. Yeah.   Yeah. I, I, you know, I don't care what mythology you follow   or whatever. They all have an end times thing,   and I'll be damned if it   wow. And I'm not even one of them doomsday people, but it it'd be damned if it doesn't appear like that's just common. Like, the the all the things   where where family doesn't mean anything, like, in a as a heathen,   brothers the brothers will attack brothers,   oath breakers,   kit mothers not taking care of their kids, like, all these kind of things. Just wild. And and the people are just retarded. Like, you even take the the   riots going on down south right now.  

Well, they're everywhere now, I guess, but the   the foot the jump start was LA down here. Yeah.   There is no   illegal immigrants at these protests.   None.   Both sides are pretending like this is about illegal immigrants. There's no immigrants at these protests.   If you watch those videos, it's about 60%   white dudes,   Then there's a good chunk of of there's about a mix of blacks and   and Asian people. And then there's, like, this tiny percentage of possible   brown people, which you're not even sure exactly what that is. Are they a native American? Are they a Mexican? Are they where and then   you listen to any of them speak, even the ones who would fall into that category,   they're all speak perfect English.  

Perfect English.   And   I I know a bunch of illegal immigrants.   I I they are very quiet people. They don't walk around wearing flashy, weird outfits.   They usually look like cowboys or, like, button ups, and they look very kind of proper. I mean, like workmen,   but not you know,   they don't drive trucks with the Mexican flags flying off them and jacked up and stuff.   They they keep to themselves and are very quiet.  

[00:30:57] Beth Martens:

Right. Not here in Canada.   Not here in Canada. Like, we have,   no. They're not illegal because our government actually   invited them and paid them to be here. Huge huge,   you know, mostly East Indian, Middle Eastern population.   I just heard that we're I think we're on par now. There's as many of them as there is of   us who originally came from Canada. You go I don't really know. Yep. You go to any public place like a Costco or grocery store,   and it is at least half people who don't come from here. And and you can hear, they're speaking Chinese, they're speaking Hindi, they're speaking Urdu, they're, you know, it's it's all these other and there's no relationship. It's just   they have bought up businesses. They bought up every   trucking company.  

So you don't get this is it was fun to drive in The States and see all these, like, normal guys in their trucks. It's not the way here. It's all somebody with a turbine. I'm sorry. I'm very racist now. That's one of the big changes that has happened for me.   Like like, really, I had and I had to put the governor on I I need to correct you on this, Beth.  

[00:32:07] Benjamin Balderson:

I need to correct you. Alright. Racist specifically   means that you believe you're better than another people, which is an entirely different subject   than   I want my people to have their own thing.   And every other culture is allotted that. You look at,   like,   Jewish people, they shop at Jewish stores. They hang out at Jewish things,   and and everybody in there is that.   Asian   Asian people have Asian grocery stores, Asian restaurants, not the ones that white people eat at, the ones the actual Asians eat at. The the the,   you know,   they all have their own community things.  

Not wanting a bunch of other people invading your community   and bringing with them   their culture, which I'm not saying my culture's better than your culture. I'm saying get it the fuck over where it belongs   because it can exist happily over there, and mine can exist happily here. You don't need to chain more of mine into yours.   That's that's an actual problem where you're actually almost displaying racism because now my culture needs to step down and take a back seat to your culture.   Well, that's fucking nonsense.   Take that shit back to where it's from. And so that's not racism. That's I I'm a that's within my culture, they call that folkish.  

And the so your tribe, your folk, your culture,   your way.   We don't need your people. They your people are cool. They we'll trade with you. We'll hang out with you. We'll get drunk with you. We don't care.   But don't come over here telling us we have to do your thing. Well, that's the thing that's the thing they're protesting  

[00:33:51] Beth Martens:

now. Right? Because, there was some little I don't follow it close enough, but but they started reversing things. They wanted to get people here,   and it's really driven by the economy because   that that has, you know, taken a lot of steps toward dying. And so they flood in the immigrants,   and and the corporations don't care where the money comes from. Right? Who's who's buying the stuff or who's renting the places that they're building high speed.   Every every time you turn around, there's a a great big skyscraper going up. They're they've planned us for some years already about how, you know, if you're in the census, for example, they ask you how many bedrooms do you have? Just in case they need to tell you that you don't deserve to live with only your family   and to bring in  

[00:34:37] Benjamin Balderson:

yeah. Yeah. It it hasn't quite caught this up. I've known was coming for a long time.   You know? They it's not like they've been not open about it.   Loxism's   a real thing.   It it's you know, you're treading on real dangerous ground with where you want to take this conversation, though. Maybe we should go elsewhere.   Yeah. Because we're on Houston. It's gonna get real touchy.  

[00:34:59] Beth Martens:

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I think people get the the basic point of that.   Yeah. Just just,   you know, another thing, they they set Manitoba on fire I just saw.   Now it could be fake news, but there are fires that were individual,   and they have now merged into the size   seven times the city of   Winnipeg. That's how big. We have not seen the sky   in weeks and weeks and weeks. We've not seen a full sun because it's all haze. Luckily, our our smoke quality for some reason in Winnipeg, it comes and goes. We get it really bad, and then, it'll let up like the smoke is just up there. We can see it.   Right. Right. And, and this is interesting. They stopped chemtrailing   for   the smoke season. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For fire season. You know, they they they did enough. Like, Like, it they it it it it did its work, and they don't need to spend the money and the manpower anymore or what?  

Right? So, anyway, I just wanted to We we haven't started yet particularly, but  

[00:36:04] Benjamin Balderson:

I I can tell you already this is gonna be a horrible fire season   in California. Also, we're getting,   I I bet you in the last week in a 100 mile radius of me, there's probably been 40 spot fires already.   Right. We don't in another month and a thunderstorm rolls through,   and that's gonna be end of that. The whole place is gonna just go up like a matchbox.  

[00:36:28] Beth Martens:

Wow. Wow. We don't you know, I didn't grow up knowing about fire season. That is unheard of.   And and there were some years where, you know, like, hot and dry, and then it's toward the end of the season. It's towards August,   you know, where that starts to happen. This was first thing in the spring.   So these are not,   natural  

[00:36:49] Benjamin Balderson:

by any means and yeah. Yeah. Anyway Part part of it is, I agree, the the chemtrailing.   Although,   to be honest,   I don't know that,   some of the aluminum that's really these plants.   Okay? And see, here's another thing.   Again,   I started that's the big thing I wanted to do was live and practice what I'm talking about. So everybody goes on about the aluminum from the chemtrails,   and that's all fine. But if you're spraying aluminum, if it's coming down through the atmosphere, it's either gonna a b inert or it's or it's already stable enough that it's not gonna do anything. It's in its metal form.   Now   where a real problem comes in   is that,   I'm on a show I'm on a show, honey.  

I'll call you back after.   Love you,   my daughter.   Nice. Alright.   The, I have a close relationship with my especially my oldest. We talk a lot. So Awesome.   The,   glyphosate,   if you anybody can look this up, glyphosate   is a key later for metals.   So   aluminum's actually   extraordinarily   common in our environment, in in our in our, soil. It's everywhere.   Now normally, it's in its metal form. It it's not really you can't you can drink it, and it'll just pass through you.   You know, it'll   plants can't uptake it. It just sits there dormant.   Now the the glyphosate   chelates it   and makes it so it's mobile. Now it enters the water tables. Now it's in all the plants. So this a lot of the blame of that, I would more put on glyphosate,   and then that's drying everything up,   because of it and giving it, like, a a much drier,   than it normally would. It's not able to hold on to its moisture. The insides of the trees are, like, hollowing out. And then the other problem is one we made. And that's,   rather than let these forests burn, like, you look at flat out north the entire West Coast.  

There is so many species of trees and plants that don't propagate without fire.  

[00:39:07] Beth Martens:

They need the fire in order for this in order for the seeds to go. Oh, yeah. Fire is natural. I I learned about that early on. There's some trees that literally won't grow without a fire.  

[00:39:18] Benjamin Balderson:

Will not. They will. The seeds will not germinate unless they have been through a fire in redwood in the giant redwoods is one of them. Right. And so   that now the thing is is these fires are supposed to happen often   is the deal. So when it happens often, the fire shoots through and if you and I do. I live in this in these forests.   The   the trees naturally about 20 feet up will drop all their branches because our our trees are hundreds of feet tall. And so they'll drop all their branches twenty, twenty five feet up. And so that fire will pass through, and that bark is is literally   damn near fireproof.  

And so it goes right by them, and it doesn't affect them at all. And and then it turns all the old,   old nasty stuff down there. It it burns it, turns it into good salt. The plants all grow better. Everything comes back refreshed.   And so what we've done is is because we're so scared of things that we nerf these fires, and we don't let them happen. And so   the first so many firefightings   well, what we should have been doing is is giant control burns all the time. Because that's what needs to happen is every so many years, these forests need to burn.   And and if it's only a couple years fuel, the it goes right through. Well, when you get twenty years of fuel that have been that's been sitting there building up and drying, and it's stacking 10 feet in the air, and there's all these fallen trees over it and everything else,   Well, now that that's gonna turn into a real fire because now it's gonna get up into the treetops,   and it's when it gets into the tops that it's a problem. Now you're in real trouble, and we don't let the little fires happen.  

So at the end of the day, we get a giant fire. And you add that onto the glycophate,   add that onto the chemtrails.   It's a cauldron of nasty.  

[00:41:18] Beth Martens:

Right. There you go.   And, yes. I was just gonna follow-up on that question about how how do I see people now? How has that changed Yes. For me? And,   I can still go both ways. It's almost like the the darker gets darker or the dark gets darker and the light gets lighter, if you wanna call it. I don't I do not   adhere anymore. This is a massive change for me in into the paradigm of good versus evil, that that that's what we're doing here. I think that's a pile of crap and a total sideways,   excursion into   nothing   nothing good, nothing productive, nothing   created.  

You know, that's the class. That's where they show us that war over and over and over and over through media, always making it the good versus the bad.   And this is something now and then the and then the next little slide bypass is like, oh, there is no good and bad. Well, this is this is something I also don't adhere to because it it   it mucks with your basic sense of knowing. Like, even the the smallest child knows   when someone has a good vibe or someone has,   you know, a vibe that is is not supportive.   So, like, I've come down to some more basic elements like life and death.  

And, even though   death is not our enemy as it's been is as it's been produced, that is the war   that we're fighting inside our own psyches.   A lot of people are not aware of that, and, they you know, most people say, oh, I'm not afraid to die. I'm afraid of pain or I'm afraid of suffering and that kind of thing. But humanity has yet to really wake up to its   fear of   death that, to me, would liberate   any human that was willing to look at that, you know, very scary beast   mostly inside themself because life is   a constant change. You said it at the beginning of the stream that it's, you know, it's the field is is moving and changing.  

Life doesn't care when one tree dies in the forest. It's not it's not the end of the forest by any stretch of the imagination.   And, so, yeah, I think we end up on that trap between good and evil. And I see people improving. Like, there's there's people I have more faith and more hope in because I see growth every single day. That's what happens in in my   limited world. People take the risk to grow and change   and be on their hero's journey,   and it's amazing. Like, honestly, I could not be more inspired   by that capacity. I feel like the work of deprogramming   and releasing and and the archetype work is actually getting   easier for those coming to it new because there is some shift in the field if I say it in a really   flaky way. But at you know, on the other side where you see   their here's a beautiful shift. They're trying to pandemic us right now.  

Well, there's   almost zero evidence of it. You know, one out of maybe a thousand people right now   is masking up, and god knows what they're doing about jabs and stuff like that, but they're not going for it. So there's there's a positive shift.   One of the explanations   could be that   they have gone so numb they're not responding to anything.   They had to turn the TV off because they it,   you know, just   overwhelms them. Otherwise, if they have to keep thinking about all of that stuff every single day.   But,   so the people are not responding. Neither are they fighting against it, but they're just not going for this.   It I always wanna walk up to someone in a mask. Like, did they say something scary on TV again? And  

[00:45:09] Benjamin Balderson:

I'll catch it. I do same here. About the same percentage of people. I mean, there are people in masks, but there's been people in masks ever since, you know, the thing.   And   it   the number hasn't upticked  

[00:45:22] Beth Martens:

is what I'm saying. So Not not substantially enough to reflect the doom porn that they're that they're sending out there. And, hello, voice of reason. Nice to see you, and you're seeing more people lately, Sue said in yep. Yeah. But but, honestly,   in in this world, it's not it's not established or it's not,   significant by any means. So, yeah, I still I still feel like the   you know, if it if it were a numbers game, then we totally lost.   But perhaps it's not a numbers game. It's more about the,   you know, the small amount of people with,   more energy and more clarity   and more purpose,   I think, are infinitely more powerful   than a bunch of people with zero purpose and zero clarity.  

What do you think?  

[00:46:14] Benjamin Balderson:

No. I definitely agree. It's about quality, not quantity, and and I'm not disagreeing with that. We I have some people that I've met over the years   that I've watched do some amazing things   and and take their life in some real amazing directions. I've had,   the the privilege of hosting some of them, and, you know, they spent time on my farm, things like that, and watched them make some real serious life changes.   So I'm not saying that the whole world   is,   you know, raw dogged. But,   the the majority   I I see where the majority, it's it's whittling down to where it's like,   even when you look at the truth or movement, like like I said, half of them jumped off on crazy shit.  

Half of them joined cults.   Like,  

[00:47:06] Beth Martens:

I know. I know. That that is that was, that definitely   was, kind of heartbreaking and liberating at the same time   because the temptation   to be part of   those cults went away for me, you know, that that it it it made me see through. And I poke my head to this cult and poke my head in that cult, and maybe I'd interview the leader of the cult. And and then I'd know, oh, I don't need to be involved in that cult at all.   And, yeah, so many good minds.   One of the things that   became really   prevalent to me, and and you guys know it, I lost my YouTube channel over it, just being able to see Control Doc for what it is and how   they don't always know what they're doing, but I think sometimes   they know exactly what they're doing, and and they're controlling others and spreading information that is absolutely useless   and siphons off what appeared to be   awake people, but they got comfortable.  

You know, people people think they want   to awaken,   but they don't. Because why? Every time your idea   dies,   then   your identity   of around that idea has to die. And that's like warrior work. Right? Nobody nobody's willing to do that.  

[00:48:26] Benjamin Balderson:

Yeah. That's the alchemist right there. Every time you gotta burn that dross off over and over and over again.   And I   I I do this to myself on purpose. I will ex examine everything I'm thinking and believing consistently.   And they it's part of why it doesn't shift so much anymore because I've been doing this for a very long time. You know, I've talked about before when I was in prison and I did two years in the hole. I promise my life got torn down a million times and examined from every angle.   And at the end of it,   it is what it is, and you end up moving on. And,   it's,   this is Odin says, if you if you wanna be a happy man, don't be, don't become too wise.  

Hey. You know, the more it seems like that's where this ends up going, and   you watch these people, like,   I,   you know, a lot of them made friends. A number of these bigger cult people made friends with me.   I go through series of this, though, where I gotta burn everything off, and I've gotta   reset,   figure my stuff out again,   see where I stand.   And and it's a very interesting thing because I and I was just actually considering this earlier.   If you look at a lot of, I I've always never a TV watcher. I was a book reader.   And   you read, fantasy books, a lot of the magical tropes we'll put in there, and there'll be three types of magicians, the white magicians, the black magicians,   and then the red, which is or or something like that, which is neutral.  

And, you have to be polarized   to feel that really hard   push. It's hard to be in that neutral zone. And they and they it was always easier for everybody to be in the black or white because to be polarized is easy. To to have nuance   about things, that's not easy. And that to constantly be having to examine,   every every moving piece, you know, even when something gets presented and, oh, this is this is awesome.   Oh, RFK Junior   is   is taking away is is against the vax. Oh, no. But he's not really, and he's also heavily invested in MRNA, and his wife required people to be have COVID shots to be at her parties.   You know?  

So while that sounds good, it sounds good until I start really examining it, and then it's not so it's not so great. Now it's more nuanced. And, yeah, sure he's against this particular thing, but he's getting ready. He that's because he wants to roll out the next thing.   And so  

[00:51:08] Beth Martens:

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. People love their hopium because it's again, they have to face   the pain. Right? Like, you were talking about, and you can't exactly be a happy wise person if you're seeing everything. That's that's and that's, in the alchemist range too because you can get consumed and eaten up by that and   just spend all the day noticing all the wrongs, and that that's not a life worth living either. That that misses the   the vision and creation   capacity of the alchemist.   But nuance became a word. It's funny you say that one. It became a word in my vocabulary   more than almost any word   in, the last five years because everything that you looked into, there was no   there was no black and white polarized way to look at it. So you said that very well. And, yeah, I enjoy seeing the nuances.  

I love seeing different angles, and and it makes it complicated, and it is work. So I'm just just reflecting everything that you   really just said.  

[00:52:06] Benjamin Balderson:

And most people, they just want they literally want to be led. And this is where the problem comes in, and this is goes back to where I'm looking at people. That was a major change.   In 2020, I I believe I was probably a full anarchist,   and I thought everybody should be an anarchist.   Right. And and since then,   I believe in the class system. I don't believe in a a static in a in a static class system where you can't move   according to your thing, according to what you do and who you are.   But I do believe in a class system. There's   most people want to be led. They they wanna do the job that they were told how to do.  

They know how to do it. I can do it. I can do it well. Be proud of it. Go home. I have a house. I I made enough money to pay my bills. I get to make some little babies that look like me and watch the TV, and that's what they wanna do. Yeah. And on the TV, they want the things to be said that your country's great. The things you are doing are great. Everything's good. Yay.   And that's what they want.   And and, you know,   in order to be a truly nuanced person, you've gotta go,   well, why if if I believe that everybody should be free to be to do what they want, why am I telling them that they have to be this responsible person that makes their own choices and takes accountability for everything?   Because they don't fucking want it. They don't.  

And so this is where the class system comes in. Most people and as a heathen, we had a class system. It just wasn't like the class systems they have now, where you could become a free man. Everybody should have been. But they had the thralls and that those dudes, they just wanted to live in their hut,   have sex with somebody like them, produce some children like them, have enough food to eat, and they were good they were good with that. I ain't gotta I ain't gotta make decisions. I don't need to be informed.   You know, like, when you we've all hung out with family members that you try talking to them,   about all this wild information and these true facts that you've learned and and you could prove, not even the conspiracy stuff. The stuff you actually have learned.  

And they're like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. I'm I I   I   you know? And they they, you know, they they're with you for, like, ten seconds. Their eyes glaze over. They don't want nothing to do with it. Why are we trying to force that on them?   Like, I I   don't I don't know. And then there's a class of people that wanna lead those people, but don't still wanna be the   decision maker, the one that has the real accountability.   They just wanna be above that.   And and   that's fine too.   And then at the end of the day, somebody's gotta actually understand the bigger picture,   take accountability for all of it.  

Like, what why is this system a problem? You you know? And where the   weird parts come in is   through democracy and shit like that, we've taken those ones that are the   don't wanna actually take accountability for their life and told them that they have the same say so as people as this other class people that actually are informed,   have went and done things, are responsible   people,   and you should get fully as much say as in fact, there's about 5,000 of you fuckers, only one of him, so you outweigh him by lot. And so shit's gotten real weird for a long time now.  

[00:55:31] Beth Martens:

Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Exactly. It's one of the reasons that I created that king hero archetype wedding created. Just gave a a word to it   to to try to tease out and bring those more rare souls that are not just   sitting back, like you say, wanting to be led, but they're willing to get out and and be a leader in some way, whether it's in your own family, in your community, in   a business, or some kind of setting where you can   put your,   goodness into the world   and make a difference.   So,   yeah. Yeah. Leadership is almost always the unlikely leaders that didn't want that role. They didn't go chasing it.   They're not looking for power.  

And,   to me, they make the best leaders of all.   They're humble.   They don't want that job. They're doing it because they've got what,   what it takes, and no one else is stepping up.  

[00:56:27] Benjamin Balderson:

Right? 100%.   Yeah. But the problem again is is those people all think that they should be   like, even now, the the the movement right now, the no kings movement.   But look at what you people are fucking doing.   Is there two It's   like, you need a king.   Right. Is there a no king movement? Is that that's, like, name calling it that's what this riot says. They're calling it the no king movement.  

[00:56:52] Beth Martens:

Interesting. Interesting. And these are the ones that are fully engineered and, like, hired and paid and actors and everything like that, and they're calling it No King.   Fascinating.   Fascinating.   Right? They're they're going they're going after the king that with our, you know, corona   boogeyman   virus   and, yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of king stuff. I I'm not I'm not surprised that the king hero kinda came to me in, what was it, 2018?   That archetype really appeared to me. So yeah. Yeah. Fascinating.   Really interesting. So then  

[00:57:26] Benjamin Balderson:

And like I said, watching both sides play into it   and both sides pretending because   the Republican side wants to be anti immigrant.   There's no immigrants doing this shit.   And the other sides wanna be like, we're here saving the immigrants. There's no immigrants there. It's like two parents that are fighting over a kid that's went off to foster care.   Like, you know, like, what the fuck are we pretending here, guys?   And they're all adamant into it. Huge into it. Right. None of them noticing that you're all being led by the nose, the whole lot of you.  

[00:58:00] Beth Martens:

Yeah. Yeah. No. It's off the charts. Like, as I become a bigger fan of reality,   the the fake element in life   expands. You know? Now it's unabashed.   And it doesn't matter if if people see that it's fake or people see the lie. It doesn't matter anymore at all because they know there's a certain portion of the population that is not gonna look in and not gonna bother, and they want to be led. They want to be controlled. Right? This is this is the programming   around control because there ain't nothing wrong with control. It's the want   for it that is the problem. It's that   vacuum of control that can very much show up as a want to be controlled. So,   one other thing about spirituality and cosmology now this is really recent from Daniel David. I am an an artist that is very, very deep philosophically, and he was talking about   I'm curious what you think of this. So I don't talk quantum field. That's that's just not been in my vocabulary. I see that as more, like, new age flaky stuff. I could never find any of the whatevers in in in my own experience.  

But he talks about the field,   as opposed maybe not opposed would be a wrong word, but, like, different from the source.   I know you say Odin.   I might have said God or life with a capital l,   those kind of things. And then so he was saying how   it's very popular.   And I even I'm I'm sure I said it many times that, you know, God is a mirror. That's one of the functions of this element of of the source of of being, that it is a mirror, and that's how we   see ourself.   And, and then Daniel said that, no, the field is the mirror.   Right? So   existence   is the mirror. The   the manifest known reality that can be seen and   heard and and touched and tasted and smelled.  

This is the field.   What's your take on that? Because there's something   that it sparked truth in me, but I'm, I haven't really decided   what's going on.   So  

[01:00:12] Benjamin Balderson:

again, I always have to approach everything as an alchemist. So the first thing we gotta understand is is   there's   there's not one source. There's a positive and then there's a negative. And the two things don't work in without each other. They actually are one thing.   So and this is one of the things that,   through my lab alchemy coming to that understanding   that this isn't a a union between the sulfur and the salt is in a feminine and and masculine.   This is both the masculine side coming back together   and getting healed.   And because these two things are the same are the same thing, and they cannot exist in independent of each other. Without this negative, this positive does nothing. Say and so now there's a third element,   and this is what no matter what you would wanna name it, whether it's the ether,   whether it's the zeitgeist,   whether it's the field, blah blah blah,   label it however the fuck you want. As an alchemist, we call it the mercury.  

And the only place that these two this positive and negative can make this transaction   where they can reconnect   is where this Mercury   exists. This is why myth mythologically,   the Mercury is the messenger.   The Mercury is the the   controls trade, finance,   blah blah blah. It's got the wings on the top and the bottom because   the only   transaction   that can happen between this positive and negative is where this mercury   exists.   No no mercury. It's no different than, than trying to take two electrodes.   You can hold a positive and you can hold the negative and it won't do fuck all. And then you put them in you put them in some   nice salty water and all of a sudden, you   know, it takes off. Well, this is what we're doing. Anytime we're talking about anything, for me, the the universe is a biochemical,   electrical exchange,   and that's going on constantly. So everything is this,   positive and negative, which have split.  

And so this is part this is part of why I I stick with the heathen cosmology   is because   in theirs,   the all father   or the all, which is everything, splits into the feminine,   which is   the the void,   the immaterial,   and then the masculine is the material.   You can't split,   nothing, but you could split a something. So the the all father splits the same as the all did,   and then those two   polarized sides   are pulled together through the feminine,   and it's where that destruction in life happens.   That's where that's where we live.   And so this same,   thing is being   represented   in a fractal way over and over and over again throughout this entire place. This is part of why Alchemy is so damn,   useful.  

It's because it's just it's just looking at the mimicry   of the initial source   that   we had that we came from.   And so it's inside of that,   too many people are not stepping out of that. I saw,   somebody put in there,   the   all truths or half truths. Everything can be reconciled. Well, this is when you're looking at the mechanics of the universe.   So when if you're on the positive side, the positive side is the good side, and this goes to what Beth was just saying. If you're on the negative side, that one's the good side. You don't like the positive side. The positive side don't like the negative side. But then   those two are forced together. Well, as an alchemist, rather than taking   and forcing them back together   direct, you understand that these two things once again are one thing. And so this is where the reconciliation   happens. The salt and sulfur   were always one thing. The sulfur enlivens the salt.  

And so   now that's free from its from its blocks. These two things are now one thing again, and it's free.   That's just how it works.   Right. So would then the concept of a mirror even apply at all in in that process? I don't I don't and I I was trying hard to fit to fit where a mirror is in this. I do get where it's coming from that   the,   the sulfur and the salt   is putting out an aura.   You know, basically, it's no different than why when your arm gets cut off, you can still feel the arm there because that carbon's filling in around where the aura is. So there's a natural energetic field that was there, and the carbon body filled in into that space. So even when the carbon body's gone, that energetic aura   is still there. It's just you've lost the the pieces to it. It's still there.  

So I kinda get what he's saying with that. I don't know how to fit a mirror into that exactly.   Mhmm. But,  

[01:05:08] Beth Martens:

Yeah. It's it's interesting. So it it can come down to some flaky new age concepts about basically, like, when you go out, say, with a bad attitude, and then you meet all the people that are gonna oppose you and block you and criticize you,   and then you go out with, you know, a more generous open heart, and you tend to also   meet those kinds of people and have more of those kind of experiences. So it's, you know, it's pretty kindergarten in the in the spirituality department, but there's,   there's something to it. Because if   when I took on this this idea that the field is is the mirror to me,   then it's made me   next level more responsible for what I'm putting into the field, like the data that I'm putting in.  

And,   and it's created some good flow in my life.   So that's just it's, you know.   Oh, hello, Melanie and, and Michelle. Nice to see you guys.   Melanie's asking, could it be that everything we see outside of ourself is also inside of us in regards to the mirror?   How would you say that, Ben?  

[01:06:13] Benjamin Balderson:

Yeah. I I I could see that. I mean,   you know, if you think the world is awesome, then the world's awesome. If you think the world's a shithole and everybody's out to fuck you, everybody's out to fuck you.   Like, that's that's the way that works, 100%.   So that yeah.  

[01:06:30] Beth Martens:

Yeah. So what element is that   reflecting us?  

[01:06:35] Benjamin Balderson:

I mean, I wouldn't have looked at it as a reflection as much, though, myself. I just would have looked at it as at it as,   you're also being a bad   you are that asshole that you're that in any like attracts like a lot. You know? If you put   we've all seen those things where, like, all the that you could put a whole bunch of things and all the like ones will kinda suck toward each other. It's just the way that works.   And so, apparently, you're one of them. Maybe if you won't really like them, you should not be them.   And I don't wanna tell you about that. I don't know that that's a mirror. I think that's just more of an attraction type thing.  



[01:07:15] Beth Martens:

Mhmm.   Yep. Yeah. Okay. Well, we can leave that one. That's, interesting. It's   it's been somewhat useful for me.  

[01:07:24] Benjamin Balderson:

Well, there's there's nothing and there's nothing wrong with that. That's why I tried not I I understand that, you know, then the debates, I'm debating.   But at the end of the day,   you know, I understand that people have reached growth through, like, Christianity,   through all kinds of things. And so I try not you know, if you found if you found I'm not gonna go to your fucking grandma who she's like, I who's a good person because I live by the 10 commands. Be like,   you know? I'm gonna it's like, let her have it. That's  

[01:07:52] Beth Martens:

Exactly.   Exactly. Right. And and and if it's just tools at the end of the day, but tools that work, so so fine. Right? I'm not gonna chase after anybody and and stop them from that.   So,   yeah, just read comments here by Hedwood. He said, class division is, since we were talking about this, that you're more of a stand for class division now than you were, is a necessary consequence of the reality of the range of IQ levels within the population. Some people simply don't have the capacity for high level management and leadership. So, yeah, just reflecting exactly what Yeah. Some people aren't capable and some people don't have the desire. Right. You know, both, even some high IQ people. They they don't even have it. I  

[01:08:33] Benjamin Balderson:

I I actually know a guy.   He his dad paid for him. He's a heart he's literally a Harvard,   top top of the class Harvard graduate for being a lawyer. He's driven a taxi his whole life. He doesn't wanna do all that. He doesn't wanna do all that thinking. He goes he drives drops people off in different places and goes home. His dad was a his dad was one of the founding partners at Dorsey Whitney, which only represents people like the the Dayton's and the the the Vikings team and things like that. You've gotta be a a multimillionaire, and this was back in the nineties to even talk to these people.   And he didn't give a shit. He's like, yeah. I'm gonna drive taxi.  



[01:09:17] Beth Martens:

Nice. Nice. Yeah. Michelle said trade your ship brown colored lenses for crystal clear ones or rose colored ones and all that kind of thing. Yeah. I do I do I really firmly believe that we can clean our vision. So there's   there's less and less of a lens to see through   because you can deidentify   from all of that stuff. Right? When there's a strong identification, you're like, this is me, and this is my position, and this is my perspective, and this is reality.   But as you dissolve   all of that, you become more porous, and you can see through   more lenses, but you're not married to   any of them.  



[01:09:55] Benjamin Balderson:

Yep.   That that's the perfect neutral position, and that's clear.   Like and the thing is is as clear   where where you really start having personal power is when you can wear which ones you want at any given occasion. I see the situation for what it is. And for me, the desired outcome I would like would require   me acting like this. So   we call it gray, man. I walk around. I'm very good at being very subtle, and nobody will notice me. And when I decide that it's time for me to be loud, whether it's I'm aggressive loud or I'm very charming loud, that's my choice. And it's I've I've weighed and measured the situation and decided what outcome I think is I want and then my what my most likely way to get it is, and then I put that on.  

[01:10:44] Beth Martens:

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You you have a charming loud. Absolutely. You have a charming loud. I've I've been witness to that.   Yeah. I like it. Yeah. And then the decision is like, what effect do I wanna have   in this field?   Yeah. You know, what's the strategy? It's not just, like, little kids   splaying out in every direction and just   knock things down.   Yeah, we can be more strategic and,   really what do you wanna create? What and that's that's where the alchemist comes into in terms of vision. What can you what can you envision?   Which is one of the major casualties of the the way that the world has gone to hell,   because people stop visioning. Right? All of the wrongs capture their attention. They don't put any time into imagining   what life could actually be like.  

And my life, the last five years, has defied all of that because if I'm just in my life, it's done nothing but grown.   Right? I've grown. Everybody around me has grown. My son has grown.   The the work that I've done has evolved and grown.   My   economy has grown, you know, where where every everybody's like, oh, inflation, and I can't keep up and everything like that.   You know, it's it's gone the other direction for me.   I just got a bill from, CRA, and I'm like, oh my fucking god. I'm like this. You know? But it's it's a it's a sign. It's a reflection.   And   that's that's you know? So we are having our own individual   visions that we can continue to grow and build   regardless of the hell that's going on around us.  



[01:12:29] Benjamin Balderson:

Oh, absolutely.   Yeah. Even in the, heathen end times or any of them, not all people die.   The the one there's a capable amount that carry on. And you can imagine, like, if we stop and think about it, the way the world is right now,   most people live in major cities, and that's where the shit's gonna go to hell. That's where it's good that's where it's all gonna be bad. The cities are blights on the land that can't support themselves.   And so that if everybody in those basically goes down,   the people out farming their own place, being independent, taking care of themselves, they're still gonna be there.   It's gonna be okay.  

And so this has been my again, which is part of why I have to   ground the things I'm talking about in thinking. Because when the time comes, when shit hits the fan, that's not the time to experiment. That you best have your stuff worked out.   And so   I've been working these systems out and,   I have my animals under wraps, and I've I've had that going. And we moved out here, and it's really nice and green. And I had to get, but I had to get the it's not wasn't good for a garden, and so I had to build my whole gardening setup   and literally hauled in   probably a 100 trees worth of wood   and leveled out the ground and hauled in and hugel cultured it and did all that. And that, you know, that's the way hugel cultures are supposed to work. You know, for thirty years, they're just getting better and degrading onto themselves and becoming better and better. Well,   it's time to plant those seeds   of whatever life you're thinking   and actually live that out. See start seeing the fruits of it. And if you're not doing that, you are definitely gonna be one of the ones that are caught up in the shit.  

Like, if if if I don't care if you got a closet full of Dasani and rations.   Grocery stores have three days worth of food.   That's what they have. After three after a week, people fighting just like them feral dogs. There is nothing wrong with those dogs. Honestly,   this is one of them. I swear   to God.   Mhmm. He killed Buddy, but   this poor guy was just a he's still a pup, and he's just a tiny pup, but he was half dead. And they were definitely gonna kill any of him.   And so   when the rest of them when the rest of them went by, this guy came blimping out of the forest, and I was like, oh my god.   And but   dog's gotta eat. Them dogs were just fine dogs. Somebody, you know, somebody had been taking care of them.  

It's it's gotta eat. They're starving. And when it comes starving time, I tell you what. I don't care how nice you are. Like, if if me and my kids are starving   and you've got a whole bunch of food, we're about to have some tango.  

[01:15:21] Beth Martens:

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. That's what it's gonna come down to for sure.   Subject change, Spaceballs two out of out in 02/27.   Do you know what that's a reference to?  

[01:15:31] Benjamin Balderson:

It doesn't matter what that's a reference to because Spaceballs two will be hopefully awesome.   It would be so disappointing if it's not, but I saw that they got belt Mel Brooks and they got Bill Pullman coming back.   Obviously, we lost John Candy.   The world suffered for that.  

[01:15:48] Beth Martens:

Right. I am not caught up on that, so I'll turn that to you.  

[01:15:53] Benjamin Balderson:

And, yeah, wanna give that puppy a hug a hug. Sorry. Such a sweetheart. I was mad. I was mad. He's such a sweetheart. I didn't want another dog at all. Didn't need another dog. That's for damn sure. Mhmm.   But,   yeah, I couldn't leave him. He was about to get killed and eating himself, and I was like, jeez. This is horrible. And he was a he was a nice little guy, and then   he grows on you. He's a sweetheart. He's   a so what do you do? What do you do?  

[01:16:23] Beth Martens:

Yeah.   Very good. So there's a few other subjects I wanted to go through around, like,   could be   could be I've got health on the list. That's one that's one thing that's dramatically   changed for me. What about you?  

[01:16:41] Benjamin Balderson:

I'm getting old.  

[01:16:43] Beth Martens:

But how you see it? Not not your, maybe, particular health or anything. I'm not looking for a history, but but how how you see things? Is there anything   changed?  

[01:16:53] Benjamin Balderson:

I I pulled back from a lot of this stuff, and I've just doubled down on   for me,   the the the best thing that you can do, the absolute best thing is good clean water   and nutrient dense food.   And that means growing your own food. That means doing it naturally.   You know, my stuff has got three different layers of grass fed animal. I don't go out and give my animals nasty things, and their manure is what's feeding my my plants. And there's this whole   recycling going on where these nutrients are just getting jammed into things.   Our our tomatoes last year, you wouldn't you would shit yourself with what the way they tasted. They were so delicious, all of our stuff, but our tomatoes were just crazy.  

And, I don't even like salsa, and Christy made some salsa. I don't like, like, fresh salsa. It's, like, chunky. And those tomatoes, they were just so delicious.   But   if you have proper good nutrient dense food, you don't you shouldn't need to take a bunch of supplements.   If you aren't taking in a bunch of toxins, you shouldn't be needing to detoxify.   Not saying that you don't occasionally need that. Every now and then, the alpacas get sick. I've got ivermectin in the damn medicine cabinet. No. It won't happen often,   but oh, yeah. That's that's ivermectin's great when it's needed. The the the when the alpacas are sick and the alpacas are real susceptible to parasites.  

They're they're what you call   a communal shitter. And the reason that they're a communal shitter is because they don't have a biome that can deal with parasites.   Now scatter shitters, they have strong biomes.   So they poop anywhere, and they'll eat where they poop. They don't care. Alpacas go off and poop in a corner, and they're like, food here, poop here.  

[01:18:44] Beth Martens:

Like Right. So but what changed for you? Did did anything change for you? Like, I'm hearing your That I that I pulled I pulled all back a lot of those things.  

[01:18:54] Benjamin Balderson:

I stopped doing any of those for the most part, doing any of the the catchy health things and just went to just good straight food. Yeah. And   and really concentrated on that. And,   I don't outside of that and I've I've done I've   down to probably a little bit under half a pack of cigarettes a day. Nice.   Yep. And I'm doing,   Rolleys instead of,   the pre rolls and all that.  

[01:19:24] Beth Martens:

Nice.  

[01:19:25] Benjamin Balderson:

So I just about quit that because   I am getting older. You know, the mountain is is, it was starting to win me a little bit. I needed to back off the cigarettes,   but,   you know, I wanna quit those. My kids have been nagging me for years to do it.  

[01:19:42] Beth Martens:

Right.