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From Tuesday February 25th 2025


Intentional Living in a Simulated World: Insights from Emily Moyer
Exploring the Simulation: A Journey with Emily Moyer
Plasma, Reality, and the Simulation Debate
Decoding Reality: Are We Living in a Simulation?
From Plasma Fields to Local Farms: Rethinking Reality

(00:01:12) Introduction and Guest Introduction

(00:02:31) Debate on Simulation Theory

(00:06:24) Platform Issues and Content Creation

(00:19:48) Truth, Free Speech, and Data Collection

(00:37:01) Opening Statements on Simulation Theory

(01:00:00) Entropy and Unity in the Universe

(01:24:45) Impact of Technology and Agriculture on Reality

(01:53:41) Exploring Plasma and Reality Perception

(02:13:01) Community, Connection, and Real-World Interaction

(02:31:01) Free Will and Predestination Debate

- Steve

- allen marcus

- Benjamin Balderson

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A fascinating discussion about the concept of living in a simulation. Our special guest, Emily Moyer, joins us to explore the idea that our reality might be a computational system capable of generating simulations. We discuss the influence of plasma as a digital brain storing information and how it might relate to our perception of reality.

We also touch on the impact of technology and social media on our lives, the importance of connecting with people in three-dimensional space, and the potential of decoding the information stored in the plasma field. Emily shares her insights on the intersection of conspiracy theories and reality, questioning the narratives we've been led to believe.

The conversation takes a turn into the realm of agriculture, where we discuss the effects of industrial farming on food quality and the importance of supporting local farmers. We highlight the work of Texas Slim and the Beef Initiative in promoting access to clean, hormone-free beef.

Throughout the episode, we emphasize the importance of intentional living, questioning the systems we are part of, and the value of face-to-face interactions. 

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So It's a shorter intro. Alright.  

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It's not waving spiders.  

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Where'd it go? A deliberating   dog face, dude. Yo.   Every Dude.  

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Deliberate.  

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Nine. Third. Eight. Third. Seven. Third. Three. Two. One.   Fight.  

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There we are.  

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Here we are.  

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What's up, everybody?  

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It's been a lot of talk of David Lynch. Everyone's talking about what it means to be Lynchian. I think that'll come up tonight. And wasn't,   the agent Dale Cooper   arrived,   yesterday in the Twin Peaks, I think? February was it twenty fourth?  

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Do we have some Twin Peaks fans anywhere? Oh, yeah. No. It will. Very yeah. I've seen that meme before about, you know, Cooper's arrival day. Yes.  

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So   welcome to lid to deliberating dog faced dudes. Tonight, we have the great pleasure of, having on a friend of mine, Emily Moyer.   If you don't know Emily,   she's on   really more shows than I could list, you know, including on her own channel. She has because Emily's just got vast interests, so   she breaks it down into different shows from glass bead to,   there there's an alchemy one that I'm on or with her. And,   but,   tonight, I will be moderating,   and   Emily will be   debating with the guys mostly around,   the theory of   that we're in a simulation   that this is   somehow generated. This is not necessarily,   an actual world. It's,   very matrix like where it's, the the rules and things are really more of a code that we don't necessarily   have to follow, and that's how other people are operating   as opposed to the rest of us. So   they're gonna have debate on that, and I will mostly not be talking at all except for to throw in, hopefully, funny comments.  

I don't expect there to be any real,   problems here.  

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Exact unexpected.   Anything could happen in 2025.  

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Yeah. Anything could happen.  

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Looking forward to this, and, always a pleasure to be around, Emily. And,  

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Thanks for having me, guys. Nice to meet you, Steve. Alien, Ben, always nice to be with you.  

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Yeah. Promote anything you wanna promote, Emily, please.   Promote anything you wanna promote.  

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Oh, you guys could just, like, find your way to the various   paths that you can go down with   whatever this is that sits on top of my shoulders at my YouTube channel, which is my name, Emily Moyer. As Ben said, I have   many different sort of concepts going with different people.   And I you know,   some politics I do with Danny. We were just talking about that before we got started.   But I'm really interested in,   synchronicism,   self self style nuclear physics and genetic engineering,   mind control,   conspiracy,   black projects. I have an upcoming series that I'm, like, hard at work laying the sort of foundation for right now,   that will be, like, maybe my, at least to this point, magnum opus.  

That will be, like,   an unpacking of MK Ultra that's a little bit different than I think anyone's done before.   And so I'm working on that, and,   I think it's gonna get wild. So   you can find me, you can find my your way to all my stuff off my YouTube page, but I do have Patreon and locals and all that jazz. Not doing too much on Rockfin anymore because I don't understand what's going on over there. And, yeah. Did you get did you get dropped from Rockfin?   I I I didn't.   I I don't think I got dropped from Rockfin,   because I still have a channel there, but I didn't get paid for, like, five months.  

And then all of a sudden, all of the payments were there and looked like they hadn't been missing them for five months. Like, weird. It was like they went to go backfill it so someone could never say that that hadn't happened. Like, they were able to, like, make the dates look like they had been paying me all I I don't understand. Right? So in the matrix.  

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They just had to figure out the matrices and correct the record.  

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I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Brian Stavely.  

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Yeah. I mean, I don't I never   relied on it too much because I could never quite understand it. Right? I didn't like, it wasn't   I went over there because, like, you know, you could   it's different than a lot of these other scenarios you end up in. There was, like, unlimited data storage over there. Right? And it's, like, an interesting concept, but I never really understood,   like, how I was making money, how you make money there.   Right? I just couldn't quite get my head around it, so it wasn't, like, a good use of my time to spend a lot of time thinking about it. So I just kind of left it there and those two things   sometimes. But then at a certain point, I was like, well, this is weird. I haven't been paid for a really long time. The rock fins, like, overnight went down in value by, like, half. Right? The the rate token thingies. Right? So I don't know. I I I mostly just don't understand it, so I can't offer a lot of critique about something I don't understand.  



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So,   I can I can offer a little bit of insight into this because if you   follow   every single content creator   on Rockfin,   and then you click   top of the past day or top of the past week or top of the past month,   you will find all of my shows?   I am   without question,   their their most or one of, you know, their their most liked and watched content creators. I've been on that platform   since 2019.   And,   a couple of days ago,   I was calling out Rumble,   for burying my channel because they do. And when we're live on Rumble with hundreds of people   watching   and participating in the chat, Rumble   won't show   that we're live.  

So   I simply said, you know, hey,   Rumble, it would be really cool   if you would stop burying the channel because when people have the opportunity   to see the show, turns out they really, really like it.   So, you know, maybe stop.   And I put up a screenshot   of the top of the past month on, Rockvent because   I follow absolutely   everyone   on that platform.   And   it   the the   they show it for top of the past month or, you know, day, week, whatever   in blocks of four.   Eight out of the top 12 shows were mine.  

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Interesting.  

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The other four were Richard Groves, who does Grand Theft World and, you know, OG whistleblower. That guy's put his neck on the line. And this isn't to slight anybody else   that's on the platform.   You know, I I'm not trying to do that. I'm just the numbers themselves   don't   lie like that. Right.   So,   down thread,   you know, somebody was like, well, what about Rumble? You know, why don't you like a rumble? And I'm like, well, rumble is right wing YouTube.   The   they've   promoted   and   pushed into the forefront   all kinds of partisan hacks.   And,   you and then I said, Rockfin appears to be   deliberately tanking their website.  

I butted heads with the Odysee people,   a couple of weeks ago   because it's clunky from   the content creator   perspective. But   as an audience member,   I prefer to watch stuff over on Odyssey. That's a good experience for me as a viewer.   And   I didn't think anything of it. And I went about my day and I came back   and Rockfin   was yelling at me.   And they're like, what do you mean we're deliberately taking our platform? Well, now we can talk about it then, I guess, because you brought it up.  

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In a four page tweet.   Oh, wow. And they still get called tweets, or are they called x's now? The they're they're tweets. But so,  

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I got,   a little rowdy.  

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Yeah.  

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And and I told them what I thought.   And,   a couple of days later, they started the platform. And one of the points that they made was, like, you well, you host free content, and we do premium content. And I'm like, bitch, I fucking told you from day one   that I was never gonna put anything behind a paywall. That's not what I do.   That's not my business model. I have a totally different way of operating.   You know, you knew this   the first day   that I got onto the platform.   Why you acting like it's new?   And,   and then they started dropping a whole bunch of people that don't paywall their content. And I am waiting for the moment   when they do it to me,   but, again,   like, I'm   I'm king shit of Turd Mountain over there.  

I am.   And I will give up the crown today. I will.   The anybody who wants that crown can have it. Like, I I don't care. I've been kicked out of better bars by bigger bouncers, and that's exactly what the fuck I told them. And I'd like, I don't need you.   I don't. I don't.   So don't fuck with me. I just wanna be left alone and do my shit. Yeah.  

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And let's be honest. You guys got you guys were gaining traction back when you did that.   Was it 7 or $8 and you got access   to all the premium shit? And then you guys had to fuck around and be pricks,   and you went to that $5 and $15.   I lost almost I had, I think, almost 30 subs   and which isn't a giant number by any means. I'm not, like, fucking saying I was anybody to even blink at. But I had, like, 30 paid subs, and I dropped down to, like, six almost overnight.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Well and they they were doing fine at $9.99   a month   and the ability to tip.   And when they switched to $15   a month without doing anything for the platform.   It it just seemed greedy and dumb and counterintuitive.  

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Yeah. Also, when it was $9.99,   we got, like when I said the 8 or whatever, that's actually how much we got. We got the majority of it. This the the content creator. So I was I forgot, you know, it's, like, $9.09 $9 or $9.99.   We got the majority of it. When they switched that over,   you didn't get no majority in o fifteen.   Like,  

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yeah. I didn't like, I I I I didn't under I I just it it wasn't something I was ever clear on how it worked before or after, but I do know what you're talking about. I remember when they made the change and there was a shift.   I guess my, like,   my my I have plenty of suspicions about Rumble, which we can talk about if you like.   But, my suspicion my issues with Rockfin,   come from having observed what the prior project was, which was Flow Sports,   which they used to do gymnastics. Like, I was a gymnast. I like to watch gymnastics.  

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And Oh, so you were aware of the platform before   the the 2020   type stuff, which is when they were the 2018 or '20 when the when YouTube started heavily censoring,   then Rockfin tried to pick up those people. But you were aware of that beforehand.  

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Yeah. So I was aware they had there's a there's a company called Flow Sports that covers sports that don't get sort of the prime prime representation that, like, football, basketball ESPNH,  

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the NHL.  

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And so   for a while, you could watch certain gymnastics meets   on Flow Sports gymnastics,   but it was so expensive, and the coverage was so clunky. Like, the it was just right? And it was   it became something that everybody who always wished for certain things that weren't being covered to be covered now did not want them to be covered because nobody wanted to deal with slow sports. Right? And so I didn't jump on to the Rockfin, like, when it first came around and everyone was doing it.   But when I got into the scenario in 2022 where Vimeo deleted my account that I had there forever, I started wanting to make sure I had, like, redundancy and backup and things like that. So I became open open to experimenting with it, and it was just always like something I kind of offered over here. Like I made a little bit of money there, but I didn't understand it in the same way I understand   Patreon or locals or you know,   monetizing through YouTube via super chats or whatever. So it was never something that I could, like, prepare, like, make a plan about or try and figure out what wasn't even really a thing back then. That's kind of a newer  

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Yeah. Feature. That's only what about three three years old maybe?  

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Two, three years old? For a long time, but in the beginning, it was really only something on, like, big, big, big channels. Like, your 10 pools or your, you know, whatever, that kinda shit. Right?   And then, you know, it's become more more of a feature. And it was never something that, like, I really thought about or placed any importance on until just people started doing it, and then I realized, like, it's actually really helpful. Right? It's actually really helpful. It's it's, like, unexpected, but but appreciated.   Right?  

And so, you know, in some ways that has made more sense than, you know, Rockfin   and and charge you for whatever it is. Right? So,   as far as Rumble goes, like, I'm highly   suspicious of of what's really going on over there with Rumble. I'm highly suspicious of that entire   sort of PayPal mafia   from South Africa, but sort of crypto from South Africa, David Sachs, Peter Thiel,   Elon Musk, and then you got, like, your Bill Ackman types and all those people. They're kind of all behind Rumble as well, particularly,   Peter Thiel, David Sachs. Right? And Don't forget the the new  

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duly appointed deputy director of the FBI, Dan Bongino.  

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Of course. Yes. Yeah. Right. Talking about Dan, have we got a newsroom word salad? JD Vance has money in rumble. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. JD Vance. I'm talking about the the money behind rumble.   Obviously, we can see which creators they've pushed forward. To me, they have this sort of opposite model   to what, like, YouTube   or Facebook or whatever has had up until recent times, which is we want to filter out things that we don't want people to know about. We want to censor or suppress   certain ideas, and that's how we will control reality.   The people the this this other group, the PayPal mafia people, their idea is really more, no. Let's let everybody have free speech, but let's scoop up all that data and start building profiles on people for social credit scores   and and and for, you know, a lot of the surveillance tech and AI that's that's coming. So we want everybody to come on our platform and say whatever they want. Right? And we're gonna scoop it all up, and we're gonna use it to build profiles.  



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And and it's not even you you yes. You can say whatever you want, but it's a   Twitter   x thing where it's, you know, freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. Correct. Correct. Right? Yeah. Yeah. But right. But they go world economic forum Yaccarino   model.  

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Correct. Right? But it has this thing where, like, people don't feel   guarded. They feel like they can say whatever they want because they don't feel as likely to lose their channel there as they might on YouTube.   Right? And so okay. Like, sure. That seems, like,   immediately convenient.   Right? But when you start to look into, like, the nature of some of these people that are behind this and what it is that they would like to do with information and the reality that they would like to create,   I'm more disturbed by that than I am by some of the sensory goons at YouTube.   Right?  

So,   you know, I mean, none of these things are ideal. I'm a free speech absolutist, and I'm also,   like, I'm for,   like, I don't I don't like all of this data collection using it for things other than what is actually the thing you're trying to do when you're using a product or whatever it is. Right? And and,  

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it's becoming you go ahead. When your choice is Eric Schmidt or Peter Thiel  

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Right.  

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You you're getting a bad product. Correct. You are.  

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Correct.   Correct. Right? And somebody asked about,   should truth be free or should you have to pay for it? I think there was a a comment that came up that I saw on the screen there for a minute. Right. Well, it was truth free or should it cost? It wouldn't have been the same question. This is, like,   this is it it's kind of a confounding situation.   Right? Because   in some models, like,   you become the product. Right? Like, isn't just about, like, what you're saying and, like, educating or enlightening or just being able to have a conversation about stuff. It's about where is all those where are all those words that are coming out of your mouth? What pile of data are they ending up on, and what is that gonna mean   a year from now, five years from now, ten years from now, or whatever it is. Right? And so in some ways at this point and it like, again, this is obscene. I agree.  

Like, I would rather pay for some I would rather have to pay to not have to have to not have my data collected   than to use a service for free, but wonder what they're doing with all of the information that we're speaking into existence. Right?  

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I am,   I'm part of a thing   called the independent media alliance that,   Derrick Bros   and Whitney Webb   and Ryan Christian created, and   it's, you know, Grove   and   Catherine Austin Fitts and   Charlie Robinson from macroaggressions   and,   t's well, t's isn't in yet, but we're getting them in there.   But,   the the the whole bunch of people who've, you know, for for quite a while, James Corbett,   Aaron and Melissa Dykes from TrueStream Media.   People who've   stuck their neck out, like, in a significant way for a very, very long time.   And a lot of these guys have been deplatformed.  

Yeah. And it's because they, you know, stuck their neck out and got a boot stomped on it, and they, you know, turned around, grabbed the boot, shoved it off of them, and we're like, no. Fuck that. And so when Bros,   formally announced it, the guys from Odyssey   reached out and said, we'd like to build you your own website where you can   directly,   embed   using, you know, via Odysee.   And,   those dudes and the Ray from Bitchute   are just   solid. They really are. Like, they've they've gone out of their way to earn trust.   They've gone out of their way   to stick their own necks out   in that right.  

And I I would highly,   highly   recommend that, you know, you   transfer viewership   from mainstream   platforms   like, you know, Rumble or YouTube   over to Odysee or Bitchute.   And I think that Bitchute is deliberately   being   fucked with   by a bunch of unit 8,200   bots.  

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I I try I tried for a while to use BitChute, but it was too frustrating. But I am actually considering,   posting my new series on Odysee in addition to the places that I already post content for the reason that you say that you said. Yeah. I I would yeah. I I really would. Like, the the dudes that own Odyssey,  

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they've gone to war against the SEC.   They took library they were the guys who had library, l b r y. Yeah.   They took that away from them, and they were like, okay.   I you you're gonna burn down my house. I'm gonna build a new house.   Fuck you.   And the, you know, the they've stood in the phone booth and thrown hands,   like, over and over and over and over.   And I have a lot of respect for that. I really do. Phone booth a matrix reference?  

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I was gonna say the simulation debate  

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is Well, we we can get there, but, no, that's a UFC reference. Reference.   When you when you're in close range and just  

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beating the shit out of each other, that's that's getting in the phone booth and fighting. Got it. Yeah. Like the old Forrest Griffin type fights where they just stood there and just started swinging from fight. No backing up. No dancing. No ducking. Just swing.   Right?   Yeah.  

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The fun stuff to watch. How do they learn kung fu by downloading it into the brain directly? Yeah.  

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I'm   I'm   I'm at a super weird spot with all of it and always have been. I I got I took the heavy piss hammer in in 2020 because I was on that first viral video,   that was against the cooties.   Yeah. And, I was in that, and so I just took a piss hammer. And   and now I'm at this weird spot where, like, I just like,   I can watch it. Even if I gain subs, they'll take them away. They, like, have me at this specific level that they they don't let me change.   Now that they let me have a YouTube   and not completely take everything, they they but they won't let it grow either.   It's it's very interesting thing to watch.  

You know, when I went I went a long time now without doing much anything. But   now here, last week, we've already been having all kinds of people telling us, apparently, this is basically just transferred over. It's the same idea. They'll let us exist, but Right. They aren't gonna let us   get any kind of a limelight.  

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Like, what do you Are they they are cons? Are they agent Smiths in this scenario?  

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Well, they aren't going they kinda step back from the agent Smith. That was when that was in 2020 and 2019.   They step back from that, I think, because they realized it created martyrs   is what it did.   And so   they figured it's easier just to just to,   and more effective   just to nerf us.   And then   through nerfing, we just eventually get forgotten.   And you you see, like,   in so many ways, like,   take Freeman Fly, a guy like that.   All kinds of people doing talking about doing stuff that's built off of his work, and they don't even know who he is. He gets no   credit for it whatsoever.  

You see all kinds of people talk about Nibiru and all of that. And I'm not even in all in all that, but they talk about that entire thing and and the the, you know,   we were gold slaves in the farming of gold and all that, and they don't even know who they don't even know who Sitchin is. You know, like, these these we we're at this weird position where,   the work because they've done this thing with the,   where they just nerfed us, now we're just forgotten. And the the people   that,   you look even most recently with the, with with the cootie thing,   all the guys that came out later once it was safe to come out Right. Those guys get all kinds of credit. But all of us that were coming out on that on 2020,   we're still all forgotten.  

And those guys are we're just regurgitating   all of our information, and they're getting all kinds of accolades for doing it.  

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Such as the story as old as time. Right?   I mean, I just I I this I, you know, I recognize this. I mean, a lot of people probably I've I've been around for a long time, but I was originally on off planet radio with Randy over on off planet   channel.   Right? And then   in 2020, Randy and I, you know, kind of parted ways. We're still friends.   But I, you know, pretty much had to go and start, you know, a YouTube channel on my own. And, you know, obviously,   I had a head start because people knew to come over and look for me from off planet. But, like, when I started with Randy, we had probably, like, 4,000,   five thousand subscribers on that channel. And by the time I left, I think we were at about 20,000.  

And so I've been an over on my channel for five years, and I just crossed 5,000 recently.   Right? And a lot of people respond to me like, oh, I've never heard of you. You're new. How long have you been around? And then they go look and they're like, wow. We got a lot of stuff there. Right?   I think, you know, this was always true for me in all the things I've ever been interested in.   Like, sort of the the   the the the things I'm interested in and the way of operating that I am comfortable with,   is always gonna be a little bit more underground. It's always gonna be a smaller group of people who are kind of, like, into that, And I'm not really wanting to say or do things that   feel stupid to me just because I know that there's,   a very rapid,   sort of reward for that, whether that reward be attention or financial or whatever.  

Like, if it doesn't feel right coming out of my mouth, I ain't saying it. You know what I mean? And that's just the end of it. Like like, I tried once to take, like, a sponsor and I just was, like, choking on my words as I was saying them. Even though, like, the the product was fine. I just don't feel comfortable promoting   like products   as part of like when when I say products like something that I made or something would be fine like, right? But like talking about someone else's   pills or whatever it is, like, I just it feels weird to me. It feels like it's not what I'm there to talk about. Right? And so   that I wasn't wanting to do, and I'm not willing to, like yeah, I was never willing to, you know, follow the white rabbit or or or any of that kind of stuff. Right? And so,   I just, you know, like, it gives me it gives us some freedom though. Right? Like, we're free to explore   topics   and say things that, you know, that other people feel hesitant to do because they've got a lot riding on it. They've got many employees and their entire family is dependent on the wellness company for a paycheck and Oh, excuse me.  



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I I've always done the show on the value for value system. I love it. Yeah. And if you dig what we're doing, throw a crack or a bone. You know?   And if you don't, feel free to go your own way,   but no paid sponsors, no advertisers,   none of that shit.   It   you know, it's it's like taking a vow of poverty, but you sleep better at  

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night. Right. You know? Like, I don't have a problem with I mean, I I put a lot of free content out there. I have a lot of paid content out there, but, you know, I I I I I give a lot of content for what people are are are paying. So you know what I mean? I feel like I feel like it's a fair   a fair sort of deal, and I also recognize that that's not not in some people's reality. So I put a lot of free content out and, you know, everyone has to pick what feels comfortable for them and then, like, stick to that. Right? Like, be like, this is what works for me. I'm doing that. So yeah.   But I I think it's,   it's it's it's kind of a cool club to be in, though, Ben. The Nerf Club, is that what you're calling it? We're we're in the Nerf Club?  



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Yeah. We're   it's not really they aren't outright banning us the way they were in 2019 and 2020.   They're just nerfing   our subs and nerfing our reach   where, you know, like like myself,   the where I when I started note when I noticed it and it was just undeniable,   when I came out with my,   the, galvanic cell cosmology   that, I'd been working on,   with Lucas,   and I came out with that. That week, I got asked on, like, 50 different shows.   And by the end of the by the end and   every day, I was gaining thousands of subs and losing   thousands of subs depending on which hour I looked at it. It was too nuanced of a description  

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of reality. You have two choices,   ball or flat. That's it. There can't be any further, any nuance, any further, no both and, no sometimes this or sometimes that. Maybe it seems this way, but it's just literally,   right,   ball or flat. That's it. Yeah. Just such a ridiculous  

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premise on its face. It is.   You know? And   I think it's a co opted argument   in general   because   I don't need the shape of the earth to understand   that government lies.   The the state is inherently   a violent entity that only exists through theft and extortion and coercion.   I don't need the shape of the earth to tell me that. What what I need   is documentation   so that I can show other people   that the state is a violent entity that hates you, You know? And that helps people understand things way better   than flat ball, germ, terrain, any of that stuff.  

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Oh,   yeah.   Yeah. That was, like, the the the the to me, like, the the real question about   to me, like, we're the only   I don't wanna say the only. But, like, when you go to kindergarten,   right,   there's just a globe sitting there in the classroom, and you're fucking five, and you're looking at the ground, and you're like, looks flat to me, but there's this ball here, and we're not having a conversation about why that's there and it feels this way. Right? There's no early conversation   about it. There's just this, like, weird acceptance of   these two sort of, you   know, opposing   things and then, like, later some story about, you know,   the the, you know,   Galileo and the this and, you know, whatever it is. Right? How it became   known that, of course, the Earth was round and not flat. Those silly flat earthers but there's not this you know, to me, it seems like one of those things that from the time you start seeing the globe   in your classroom, there should be conversation about why it is that it seems to be one way, but it's just accepted that it's another way. And that that conversation   does not exist,   lets you know that we have a problem.  

But that doesn't, like, mean that it has to be the   starting point for every conversation, topic, or debate or the ending point. Right?   Yeah. I don't know.  

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Well, there's a question of what is in the center of the map. If it's a flat paper map hanging on the wall and you're in Africa and Africa's in the center of the map Right. And then you come to America and America's in the center of the map. And then Australia schools, they have Australia in the center   of their map. And then when people travel to other continents and they see other versions of maps, they're a little bit   confused as to where they are. They have they have to reorientate   to find out where they are on on a map.  

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Yeah. All of it's very weird. Right? All of it is very weird, and there's not a conversation about all of that weirdness that you're experiencing when you're a child and looking at these things for the first time. And that's how we know there's some kind of problem. But back to your Galvinic Selbin, that was, like, incredibly interesting and nuanced to what you had to say.   Right? And that's just a little too much thinking.   Right? It's not like we can classify this person over here and this person over there or whatever it is, and so that just won't do. Yeah. They nerfed so they just nerfed the hell out of me. Like, I was every day  

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gaining thousands of subs and losing   thousands of subs. I was like,   wow.   And then by the end of that week, I was at negative 15 subs, but I've been asked for, like, 50 different interviews. I was like, you kidding me?  

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Negative 50. I'm Negative   15. I love it.   Yeah. Just wild. Surprise me that that would happen to you, Ben. Like, all that weird shit happens to you.  

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That's my Twitter experience   every day. I watch hundreds of people follow my main account there,   and I wind up every day with, like,   15 to 30 to 80 less   followers   every single day.  

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Yep.   It it better for me. I don't do any of that stuff. No Twitter.  

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Like I said, it's it's so I so for me, it's   it's the same policy as, like, California has for the fires. Like, they don't fully   do anything anymore. They just nerf things. You know? They just just settle it down. Just put it down, and we won't actually make things fix things or do anything right. We're just gonna nerf it and keep it from go turning into a into a full on thing.   And it's it's very frustrating. And then, like, I was killing it with Rockfin, but then every one of those platforms that I tried and I'm not a a tech. We all know this. I'm not tech friendly. I'm not good at this stuff. So it's hard for me to switch from thing to thing.   And,   you know? So when then when Rockfin shits the bed,   like, not very long   after I'd even been on that platform, they started the shenanigans started.  

I was like, you know, screw this.   So,   I've just not been anywhere. And, like,   you know, I mean, I've been I I did the weaving spiders, and now we just kinda come over here. I haven't done any of my own things. I just don't care.   Right? Like, I actually have a life. I do shit outside of Yeah. Playing on the Internet.  

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Yeah. At that point, we're just having conversations to have conversations.   This is just friends hanging out with friends,   talking with the things that we talk about   anyway. And now we're just opening up chat rooms so more people can join in our conversation.  

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Well, let's get this conversation on, shall we?  

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Well, let's strap up the yeah. It looks like we got the warm ups in. Let's go ahead and   wrap on the gloves. Do you guys want to do,   opening statements, or you just wanna just start scrapping?  

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We could do it more casual.  

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I think probably expectation.   At least somewhat of an opening statement from Emily to lay out her position   is probably at the very least called for.  

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Alright.   So,   alright. So it is my current, and by current, I mean, at this moment, right, like, where my thinking is kind   of that, is not so much yes simulation or no simulation. My thinking is that we live in a computational   system.   Right? And that computational   system   supports   simulations.   Right? It can generate simulations.   It can allow,   like, other agents to agents being people to generate them.   So the way that I see it is like   the system is computational and we as human beings on some level also are. And so the larger external world that we are wandering around in sort of has the ability to project or to have something projected on its background   that may feel like a simulated reality to us, but we also project a reality that we carry around with us. And we are interfacing with that external larger sort of collective   simulation, and those unique interfaces   create   sort of these   some people might think of them as, like, reality shifting or reality switching or different ways of experiencing   sort of the same the same place or the same thing.  

I am   pretty   influenced right now   by the Robert Temple book, A New Science of Heaven.   Right? It's a book about plasma.   And   in it, there's a line and I'm paraphrasing, so if I don't get it exactly right, it's not intentional,   that the universe is made up of, like, 99%   plasma. Dense matter that we are is a very small amount of the matter in the universe and that the universe is full of plasma.   And that plasma is like a giant digital brain that can do computations   and store data and store information.   So we are walking around. Like, when I say we live in a computational system, I don't necessarily mean we're, like, wandering around in, like, a giant quantum computer or a motherboard, but it's possible that we are. But   there is this plasma field that is capable of doing a lot of things that we normally   assign to the the realm of of of computers.  

Right? That the these mechanized computers are more modeled   after   sort of   the plasma,   the plasma state of our environment,   and that that is the sort of backdrop   upon which all of this can happen.   So,   that's pretty much my sort of opening statement.   I have a lot of,   I spend a lot of time thinking   about,   how we interact with and can we actually   view   that field? Can we view what is going on in that computational   reality in that plasma? Can we see the information that's being stored there? Can we decode it? Can we code can we learn to code our activity in that space to produce   certain outcomes,   you know,   simulated or not or whatever it is. So that's kind of where I'm at. It's not so simple for me. Like, yes, we live in a simulation or no. I've never seen the movie The Matrix. I mean, I tried to watch it. I fall asleep. I don't I don't feel like I'm, like, wandering around in a computer program.  

But I do feel like   that   computer programs are modeled after,   you know,   this reality that we exist in that we don't completely understand.   We we think that, like, it it looks like nature. It's got, like, dirt and grass and patina on it and whatever. It doesn't look like   those metal and, you know, glass and plastic things we call   computers, but it does a lot of the same stuff. And so a lot of the same things can happen. There's my opening statement. Who's next?  

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I'll go next. Oh, go ahead.  

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I'd ask, have you seen the movie Tron? There's always,   a gestalt or a zeitgeist, and these aren't even English words. And there's French concepts. You know? We   say Jean Jean Baudrillard, and the French would say it's Jean Baudrillard,   and we wouldn't know how to pronounce these things. So so much of our perception of the world   is based off of the language   that we're given at a young age to then imprint on us the proper way of viewing   the world. So from that perspective,   growing up with the Internet, growing up with computers, and seeing advances in in modems   and advances in hard drive size and capacity   and going from large, you know, CRT monitors that weighed more than I did to now having just the lightest   cell phone in my pocket with a with a higher resolution than I ever had on an earlier computer.  

That sort of puts me into the proper age group to understand   the world through the metaphor   of how reality could be perceived   as a digital computer   simulation.   And having that sort of language   from there flows all sorts of metaphors to say, you know, the pull your boots, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That's hustle culture. Well, that's life is like an RPG, so you gotta level up certain skills   to to get the money to then buy better equipment to then continue leveling up. So in this way, due to the the American   capitalist   sort of, free enterprise system that we seemingly live under,   that informs   our perception of reality.  

And for many people, it's easy to use a shortcut to say,   it seems like we're living in a computer simulation.   When something doesn't match our perception,   a word that we're not familiar with. We don't hear it. We don't know what it means. We think that's a glitch in the matrix.   How can it be that the the the dress is seen by some people   as blue or some people by black? We don't understand   what the world looks like from   other people's,   you know, point of view. Their their their color blindness might be something that other people don't understand. Inner monologues happen differently   in different minds, and that's a whole different   nurture nature psychology   education sort of conversation.  

The failure of   being unable   to understand that   others   are separate from us but are also   part of us   is what creates the other   the the enemy or the NPC   or the the thing that we need to,   you know, if it's capital, I mean, we need to take their money by any means necessary, and that's how you get ahead in the world is by winners and losers.   So we're   trained from early age to say that, you know, some people are gonna be losers.   We want you to be a winner. Do whatever   it takes to be a winner.   So take money, take bribes, do whatever to get ahead. And those are the signs of success.   So in that way,   we've designed video games. And from our video game mentality, it's fed back into real life. So whether or not one is a simulation and the other isn't, it gets very confusing.  

But due to the fact of hyperreality,   one thing might be false or,   not a real premise, not based off of,   fundamental substrate of, like, reality manner atoms   knocking on wood, but it can have real world consequences in hyperreality   way where it leads to   real world   decisions that people make.  

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I I think that we're all   divine beings   having,   an individual   experience   on   a multitude of planes that we don't understand.   And  

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that   for sure. Yep.  

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The the knowledge,   of that understanding   has been deliberately kept from us.   And, Emily,   I I think that   as we get more and more into this age of algorithmic prediction   and artificial   intelligence,   we are   by default   going to be living in a predictive   model   that can only be described   as a a simulation.   Because when all of our,   you know, when our digital twins have been mapped out   a %   or 99%   of the way,   when,   we have, you know, large language models and AGI and stuff like that,   that can   effectively   predict the future for the majority of people. There's no other way to describe   what we're living at in   other than   a simulation.  

I don't think we're there yet. I don't think it has to be this way. I think there's a bunch of ways out.   And I I think that   with, you know,   significant   conversation   and significant   action,   we can move in a different direction.   But I see it heading that way   100%.   And   it's,   I   it it's  

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go ahead. Because it's difficult for me to, like, put the whole thing into words. Seems like what you're saying is that in some way, we we're going to be sort of stimulated   to simulate reality ourselves. We're going to be put into this sort of scenario   where we are reacting   to programming an algorithm that causes us to simulate a reality   as opposed to, like, there's this, you know, thing that's created, and we're going out and walking in it. Right? So what you're saying, I don't think goes,   like I think that goes along on some level with what I was saying. Right? Like, that we're in this   we're in something,   and again, I don't know if that's the whole thing or if there's something outside of that thing. But this larger thing that we are in,   right, is sort of like,   can support   all kinds of things.  

Right? And there can be some sort of, you know, larger, more external encompassing kind of projection or simulation   that we can operate in. I don't think that that is happening,   at least not in the way people think of a simulation   yet and   or at least certainly not on a consistent basis.   And that doesn't mean that it can't happen. But I think the more likely thing, at least,   you   know, in the beginning,   is that you're gonna have people sort of almost   role playing or simulating   certain,   playing out certain scenarios   that they don't understand that it's sort of been algorithmically   produced in them to to create that scenario or to to to do that behavior.  

Right? And I I I think that part of the   remember the meme? It's happened twice. The meme has come around twice and it's for different purposes each time. But do you remember when they started saying learn to code?  

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Yeah.  

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So first first, it was the journalists making fun of the coal miners who were complaining about losing their jobs, and they were telling them learn to code.   And then later, like, sometime during the pandemic, there was a large layoff of journalists, and people were laughing at them and telling them learn to code. But that time, they decided if you said learn to code on Twitter, you were getting kicked off. Remember that?   Mhmm.   So I think that   while that was,   funny and a maybe kind of cruel the first time and funny and a joke the second time on some level, I think there was, like, a larger idea being   both seated, but also for people in the know to pick up what was being put down.  

And that is work moving into this place   where, like, you need to learn how to algorithmically   express what it is you want to experience   or the reality that you want to exist in. And on top of that, you also learn so what should have gone along with it is learn to decode.   Right? Because I think   there's literally,   coding, equations, and algorithms   all around us. Right? Like, the cloud, the plasma is kind of like the cloud. Right? And if there's this thing that is everywhere but in our normal state, we can't quite see it. But it's doing stuff that is helping that is, you know, determinant on some level of reality or helping us determine our reality even though we're not aware of it, then understanding   how to read that field. Imagine if that's, like, on some level, you know, they talk about, like, the Akashic records or, like, pulling intelligence down from the heavens into the earth or from the stars. If it's there, but we don't know it's there, and if we don't how to understand it or how to read it,   right, then we're gonna wander we're gonna walk around and think that things are just sort of happening,   you know,  

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by that. Can I ask you a a question, Emily?   Yeah. If it's 99%   plasma   and the earth is   70 allegedly,   70%   water,   what's water?   I You so I'm Because we've determined   that water is   hydrogen and oxygen.   Like, that's you can you can demonstrate that in a lab over and over and over and over. So if it's all plasma,   what's water?   So I would your face when you're throwing punches, sir. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry, dude. My my I have Internet bars of death. I I'd I wish I could. I apologize.  

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So, like, I think that's a, a good a good and fair question. I would have to, like, sort of dig in and think about whether they're basically saying that, like,   the that water is included in that or that water is separate from that. But, basically,   like, I think what Robert Temple and I've done some other research on plasma   since then, but I'm I'm, you know, sort of taken with this book   in a way that is influencing some of my upcoming   project a little bit is that the dense matter that is earth and the beings that live here, the stuff that is more solid,   right, is rare   in the universe.  

Right? So that also includes water. Water is not just everywhere.  

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Right? Like, it's it's it's here on our But water is literally everywhere. It's in every state, in every being,   in every sense of the word. It's liquid. It's mist. It's   solid in ice. It But it's but it's here.  

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Right? It's here on Earth where there's the most amount of of dense matter. Right? And so, like, what I what I think I understand   Robert Temple is saying is that the dense material   is what is what is it's it's atomic material. It's made up of atoms, and plasma is not. Plasma is made up of electrons and protons and ions   that that are that have are not complete and they they don't become atoms.   Right? Because they're it's it's they're they're they're they're incomplete.   And so   all this stuff that's around us that,   you know,   is is in some is is in some way that.  

But because it's not   I look at you,   well, I can't see you right now.  

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I I apologize.  

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Because you're a human being, right, made up of, you know, whatever they're saying we're made up of this week. Like, I assume   that you are a person with, an intelligence and the ability to do,   you know, complicated things and solve problems and whatever it is. And that there's other intelligence   that is not in these dense bodies that are made up of atoms that   behave on some levels very differently than we do, but are capable of doing a lot of the sort of intelligent   things that we do and have some   properties and abilities   that would be very surprising   to us based on   the way like,   well, you could have two plasmas next to each other that are separated by a slight membrane, and the hot one the one can be a hot plasma and one can be a cold plasma, and they completely don't affect one another. If you put a hot body next to someone with a cold body,   the hot body is gonna warm that cold body up or the, you know, the cold body may make the other body cool down a little bit and whatnot. There's all kinds of interesting ways that plasma behaves that is different than how   atomic matter. And I have lots of issues with all of this language and what they say they're sure we are and what they know we're not and all that kind of stuff. It's not kind of where I'm going with this right now.  

But that the entire environment that we're living in is intelligent.   Right? Like, we think of, like, you've heard of smart environments. Right? Then we think that that's an environment that has the Internet of things or smart dust everywhere and, you know, it's got self organizing, things like that. That whole idea   is designed   after the awareness of this plasma reality that we live in and its ability   to to to do intelligent things, to store information, to do complicated   equations,  

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and and make unusual systems have unusual things sort of happen. Right? Yeah. I I'm just, you know, I'm, I am just asking questions because I I'm I'm curious.   And,   we can also demonstrate   that water has stored memory. Yep. And water has a significant reaction   to our,   our own words.   We can demonstrate that water has a reaction to to our own thoughts   and   plasma,   as a concept at least and as something that you can withdraw   from the human body   does exist. Plasma exists in   multiple other forms. One of the best ways to get through a door is a plasma torch.   I I have never been able to cut through anything   like I have when I've used,  

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a plasma cutter. So why why crack a safe when you can just cut right through it?  

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Yeah. So what is the So is   this a distinction   in your opinion? Think the fact Is this a distinction without a difference? Is there  

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significant overlap here? Am I missing some shit? Like I I don't I I don't I I don't think you're wrong, and I don't   don't think I'm I'm an expert. Right? So, like, I don't I I I I don't think I'm an expert on this. I'm I do think, though, that the plasma   that is in our body, like blood plasma, is different than the plasma field that is being discussed when we're talking about  

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the Okay. Plasma side. So how is it different?  

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It's made up of different stuff.  

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So we're we're,   we're misattributing   the plasma in our bodies,   or we're misattributing   the plasma in the ether. They're different plas Is plasma ether?  

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I think that's fair. I think that's a good question, and I'm not sure I've asked the same question myself of myself when I'm looking into all of this. Right? I I   I   have the same question.   But I think that when we're talking about specifically blood plasma, like, Robert Temple will go on about how,   we have plasma bodies, but that is not the plasma that is inside   of our blood. It's actually this sort of thing that people think of as, like, the aura or the energy around our body, and that that interacts with this sort of or is able to interact with this larger plasma field, but it has nothing to do with the plasma that is in our blood. Right? Can I can I step in for one second here  

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just to clarify this and, not trying to take a side in it, but scientifically,   blood plasma is the liquid portion of your blood, where plasma, when they're talking about other things, is a state of matter, which isn't the liquid state? Right. It's more of an electrical state, so I'm not sure why that discrepancy   happens.   But   blood plasma is  

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its own specific thing, and it only refers to the liquid portion of the blood for whatever reason. I think I think for for the way that that I'm thinking about it, like, water is part it it water, though abundant here, is considered, like, part of the the the the stuff that is   more dense than plasma   even though   steam, get all that kind of stuff. Right?   I think it's different, and the description that Ben just gave in terms of state of matter versus   liquid   is correct.  

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So plasma means, like, something formed has to do with a mold or a shape it takes   as in a state of matter?  

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It's like there's all of these complex   complex   things that are made up of, like,   different kinds of plasma, these dusty complex particles, and they group into things and create skins and membranes on themselves   that are different than what we think of as skins and membranes.   Right?   But I don't but I've had I wanna just say, I also wonder   quite frequently   whether plasma and ether   are the same thing. And if if   if they're not,   how are they related? Like, what is that sort of relationship or what whatnot? And I don't know the answer, but it's a good question, and I have a frequent line. I'd like to ask  

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openly,   do you have an intrinsic belief that the universe, the simulation, the reality, whatever it is we're experiencing,   tends towards,   entropy? Does it break down as   further it goes along as some sort of a timeline, or does it tend towards more of a a unity, or is it just none of the they're both battling each other? What do you think about do things fall apart? Do they they form a more perfect union?  

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I think both. I don't know I don't know if it's an either or for me. Right? I think that, like, it's kind of like sometimes Ben and I will get into conversations about   fission and fusion.   Right? Mhmm. Right? And it's kind of the answer isn't the the answer to the question isn't which is better, fission or fusion. It's like for what? Both. We need both of them and we should use them for different things and the things that break apart can later be put back together and whatnot. So I don't think that's an either or. Like, I think for me,   I feel like we are wandering around   in something   that is   not   that is   substantially   different than what we have been led based on   what our parents told us, what our education in school was, or whatnot,   and that there is literally intelligence and information   all around us. It didn't just start flying around when they had, like, five g in the cloud and all of that kind of stuff. That   is like men and machines trying   to simulate   or copy or imitate   something that   is happening, you know, in nature or in this larger system   far predating that. I don't can't say that it's always because I don't even know how it got to be to be this way.  

But, you know, when I'm walking around in a city, I'm like, goddamn it. I feel like I'm walking around in a large quantum computer. Right? I'm looking at these buildings,   and they look   really similar   to dye chips. They look really similar to motherboard. Like, the like, a plaza downtown literally looks like a fucking dye that they make semiconductor  

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facility. I think those are some of the earliest representations of the Internet and the hacker movies Right. Where they zoom in onto a computer motherboard, and it would represent a city structure, and they'd physically visit   memory banks within the computer structure. So this was a a visual language to show   visual learners what a a computer system,   that architecture  

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may appear like. Yeah. A %. Right? So there's that. But then when we're saying the fuck up. Are you saying that's not real?  

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Because I had a skateboard in a backpack just like on hackers, and I was gonna fucking   skateboard around inside there and start doing stuffs.  

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It's where all the money's kept. It's kept in the servers. If you can break into the servers, then you can transfer the money. I mean, we we have this conversation,   last week about, you know, Bitcoin and and my   my skepticism towards Bitcoin wasn't that it it's not great, and it doesn't make people money, and some people poor, and some people it's just the fact that it's so far away from   value. It's so far away from, you know, handing Boulderson a sandwich and saying, here, now you're not hungry anymore.   It's well, now I'm gonna transfer you a store of value, and then maybe you could find someone who would accept that value to buy the thing that you want. So it gets further and further removed from reality.  

And now if we're talking about, like, simulation   and simulacrum,   we get to a point where we understand what a fish is. It swims in the water. You can teach a man to catch a fish, and then he he won't have to go hungry. But now he doesn't have a fishing license.   Yeah. So so he's afraid to go fishing.   But but then but then he's he's got the idea of fish fish sandwiches on Friday. He wants, you know, wants to get a fish sandwich on Friday. So he goes to McDonald's, and then it's like it's a square. And he's like, no. I want a fish   shaped   object that has a fish flavor and a fish protein to it. So it has to be fish   like   object. And then we get to the then we get to the point where   we're drawing Jesus fish, and we we understand the shape of a fish. We can do, like, skeumorphism.  

So if something looks like a disk, it looks like a floppy disk. Certain people understand what a floppy disk is, but now we're   we have, you know, a whole generation of children who doesn't understand a file structure. They don't understand what opening an x files is. Well, it's a cabinet, and you pull it open and there's files that people put in the order they chose it to be in. And that order might not be alphabetical. It might be scattered. It depends on different people's   filing   methods   wherein they have the idea that a a computer,   it'll automatically be sorted for them. So they don't have to extend   labor   into making something   organized, which gets to the next point of the so called bullshit   work from home email   jobs. And, you know, as of 02/25/2025,   we have this new situation where   government employees   have been sent an email   from on high to say, give me five bullet points of what you did, and people are breaking down and having an existential   crisis realizing that maybe they're not essential workers,   but it is essential for them to receive   some sort of financial compensation   for them to exist.  

Now does that   mean that they're having this sort of reality check to say, well, we've gone so far from   industrial   thought and industrialization   to maybe a fourth or a fifth industrialization,   which has nothing to do with physical labor or working with the soil and the ground and actual wood materials and seeds and plants and things   to the point of,   is that in and of itself   the, quote, unquote, simulation where   we're so far away from reality   that it feels like we're simulating   reality. And this performative   trad wife culture where women are   having difficulty with relationships, and they believe that if they put on a dress and they look like they're from the eighteen fifties, you know, Little House in the Prairie, and they wear a certain bonnet, and they, you know, don't wear their makeup or their style. If they perform in a certain way, then they'll get different results. And is that evidence of a simulation?  



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What would we do without alien Marcus?  

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We love Little House in the Prairie here. Alright. So my dude.  

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I I, like, I think, like, I I   I I'm picking up what you're putting down there in that, like, there's this idea.   Okay. So I just,   let's get myself into some trouble here.   I just recently   stopped working for   a company   where I was doing a lot of work,   a lot of very, very hard physical labor. In fact, like, making every item that that program ever served, right, ever sold or served.   But every once in a while, I would be treated to the pleasure of sitting in on the company   staff meet the the meeting,   which   all the other people, this is what they're doing all the time. They're just taking meetings and doing stuff online and, right, and and trying to sell these things that I'm doing all over the labor of making,   right, on some level.  

And when I realized what these meetings were and what the with with these with these, you know, jobs or whatever it was, I I I feel like I'm understanding sort of what you're talking about here. It's like this implication   that there is a company that produces,   like, something that seems to be,   important, but, like, the owner of the company doesn't even understand their product and wouldn't know how to make it if their life depended on it or whatnot. Is that actually value, or is it just the implication   of of of value?  

Right? And what happens when you remove   the the the people that actually   do industrial   industrial work? Right? Are people gonna be satisfied with the idea of a cocktail   fucking place. Like, when you started going back to restaurants after the pandemic,   right, some of that experience was, like, the idea of food as opposed to, like, dining. Right? Yeah. Like, things   so I I I get what you're saying. And yeah. Like, I think that that was the the probably   if we stripped away, like, all of the other   fearful   and   dramatic things about, like, what the lockdown or the cooties or whatever may have really been about,   to get people to forget what real reality used to be like and think that, like, this implied reality was somehow,   like, the same,   that's probably, like, the lasting   effect of it. Mhmm. And it's taken   particularly   government employees,   you know, three years since things reopened   to come to terms with the fact that, like, they're not needed   anymore because the government is essentially a database. It's not people.  



[01:09:07] Unknown:

When when I I I moved to Las Vegas for, like, fifteen months,   right when they lifted   the mask mandates  

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Mhmm.  

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In 2022.   And,   I had,   I have   a handful of friends that are comedians   in Vegas.   And so I lived at the freaking comedy club,   and   people didn't know how to act Yep. When they got let out. And I have never seen   more kick outs   from a comedy club   than in the first six months   of the lift of, like, lockdown and the mask mandate.   People went   absolutely   crazy.   They did. I watched   two grown women   square up and beat the crap out of each other   for a moment until the bouncers rushed in.   Like, it it was   out of freaking pocket the entire time. It was. And I'm sitting there   off in the corner just trying to have a good time and laugh some jokes.  

You know?   Like, what the fuck am I really watching?   And I'm watching   the breakdown of society   when we're disconnected.   And I've I've like I I can't I I can't stress enough to go hang out with people in three-dimensional   space and and not just   retreat into your devices   and let the algorithm tell you what to do because that's poisoning us.  

[01:10:55] Unknown:

Yeah. I thought you were just describing a barn party. I was getting   Uh-huh.   They're like, the breakdown is reality. I was like, goddamn it. Where's the fiddle in this? I know there's one somewhere.   Some white  

[01:11:08] Unknown:

lightning. Like, I'm throwing an actual barn party.   I'm throwing a a real life three-dimensional   barn party a half an hour north of Nashville in less than two months.   You know? And we're gonna do live music, live comedy, and live podcast, and it's gonna be a fucking rager. It's going to be the best party you go to all year. Have you sent out paper in paper invites to the Amish communities?   You know, I haven't yet, but I've talked to a couple of the crows   that,   hang out outside of the apartment, and I'm gonna write little notes  

[01:11:49] Unknown:

on pieces of paper and have them personally deliver it. Yeah. I already know about the party. The crows come to us, Odinists,   and I already know.   Like, it's like the Hogwarts version of only you only you're, like, with Odin and then the crow the crows. Yeah. The crows talk to me every day. I talk to them. We have a relationship.   I I feed a couple. Or You live in my house. I I mean, they already know. Yeah.  

[01:12:14] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah.   Yeah. But, no, I I do think that that it was crazy the first couple of, like,   weeks or months after lockdown got lifted,   the way that people behaved. I I I have   not seen grown adults   behave   so childishly   and foolishly   like that in my entire life. It was absolutely amazing. It really was.  

[01:12:45] Unknown:

Yep. Yep.   Okay. So   so,   Alien, were you done with your your   your thread? That was an an an epic thread.  

[01:13:00] Unknown:

Right. It's just the the ongoing concern that there's there's two ways to go. We we go forward with progress, and that means we accept Bitcoin, we accept UBI. We accept techno accuracy. We accept all the computer stuff.   Mhmm. Or we give it up. We go live off the grid. Off the grid means no electricity,   no Internet,   no gas signs, no water lines, completely   off the grid,   more like in the Amish. So we have to go join an Amish community to survive. There's only two options. This is seemingly the narrative that's being pushed forward. And if that's if that's the case,   there are also so called uncontacted   tribes in the world. Mhmm. And and there's this sort of   moral,   question of whether or not putting Skylink satellites   over their their land is is something we wanna do or not. And then we and then we give them a smartphone, and then we introduce them to Bitcoin,  

[01:13:56] Unknown:

and then we just fix everything. Okay. I have two thoughts. Clarify because I I'm the one who gets in these fights because I live off grid, and and some fuckwad always is like, oh, you got Internet. How do you have Internet?   Like, because fucking Starlink is everywhere. All's you gotta do is put up a receiver to grab it. The the fucking it's always here. Do you know how fucking signal works? I cannot own a radio, but the signal's still there.   I just didn't put up a receiver  

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for And by the way, dude, when I lived   at Ben's house,   it   Starlink was brand new,   and we did not have   great Internet  

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at all. We had no Internet when Steve moved in, and Steve's like, we gotta have Internet. And before that, you can watch any of my old videos. I was in a vehicle because I just drove for forty five minutes to catch signal on my fucking cell phone.  

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It's the whole the whole time we're there with me fucking paying $550   a month for that bullshit service.   I still had to go forty five minutes up the road and do   shows and stuff like that. Like, that that's real shit.   You can watch all of them. I have a great interview with,   Don Jeffries   and William Ramsey   where I'm on the side of the road looking like I'm in goddamn Afghanistan.  

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Like,   it  

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yeah. I   but no. It's way better  

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as as far as I go. Fiber I enjoy my fiber Internet. Right? My two g fiber Internet.  

[01:15:38] Unknown:

Two g I enjoy Starlink.  

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Weirdly, my Internet's better than Steve's now. Yeah. Yeah. You're Yeah. I can't even be every time I go on camera, I get Internet bars of death right now. Yeah. I do. And I'm fucking   eight miles from Downtown San Francisco   and where, like, the heart of Twitter used to be or is or whatever.   Like, I I'm   right in the the fucking pit   of Silicon Valley as far as that goes. I can't be on camera right now. My Internet's shit.  

[01:16:13] Unknown:

The it makes me, like, with all of the reception   trouble people who even live in, like, cities and very populated places have, I'm not as confident that we should be so fearful of an impending   technological   takeover as some people   say. Right? Like, I think that that's that's the first thing.   To what you said,   alien.   Okay. So Michael and I, when we were doing, like,   project kids and the glass bead game,   we spent a lot of time looking at the Amish community because Michael lives near there. Michael lives in Langs or has spent at that time, he was living in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.   Right? And so he was always around the Amish Shout out to Lancaster, man. I love that place. I love that town. And I I've always had kind of a fascination with Amish people because they're just so different than, like, what I am and what I come from, and I kind of am fascinated. Right? Like, I'm somewhat fascinated with that. But we, through our many   researches and, you know, synchronistic threads and deep dives, got to the place where we understood that   many of the Amish are not actually anti   electricity   or even anti technology.  

They're anti being hooked into a shared grid   with people that they do not share values with and people that they, like and and not knowing who's in who's who's in in sort of part of that setup with them.   Right? And so that and they have gone out of their way.   Like, we were even looking at a lot of these,   Amish areas from overhead maps, and it was almost like they had placed themselves so that they could not be viewed   on, like, satellite or or Google Earth very easily. Almost like they were hiding behind a green screen and the way that they sort of laid out,   their their their plots of land and their location and things like that.  

So I think that they understand   that, like,   it's not so much about   technology and electricity.   It's about what and who you are connected to with it.   Right? And so I think maybe that's the more   that's the bigger question here. Not should we live in the complete, like, Bitcoin   AI tokenized. Like, think about, like, what Allison McDowell talks about with, like, the completely tokenized gamified environment where everybody is always, like, earning badges and getting permissions   and and this and that. Right? Like, she's definitely, like, expanded her view and that she sees things, I think, quite a bit differently. But we a few years ago, like, if you would hear her talk about that. Right? Like, that would be the sort of furthest extent of this sort of Bitcoin AI reality you're talking about or then this way that people think of the Amish, which is true for some Amish, but not not true for all Amish. I think the Amish people are fucking, like, people who live outside the time stream. I think they're able to move between,   temporal and spatial domains in ways that we cannot because we are so tied   to,   we are so tied to,   our understanding of reality that is generated by these gridded systems and the things that we're connected to with them. Right? So I think that it's more about being selective   about what we want to interact with, who we want to engage with, and then understanding   where you are, understanding   what you are interfacing with in your environment and in your reality. And right? So, like, I can very easily see in the future maybe there will be zones.  

Right? And you will have some zones that are completely dominated   by, like, everything is all Internet of things, Internet of bodies.   You know, you walk in and, like, some, you know, some tattoo on your skin lets everybody know how many coins are in your wallet, and you're picking up this piece of food off of this table, and it takes a little coin, and you pick up this or put you know, this whatever it is. I can see that being a reality. I can see there being   zones where there's, like, none of it. There's none of it. There's no electricity. There's no technology.   And then the vast majority of things would be some combination   based on   what it is that the people decide that they are comfortable with. And the more   self sufficient   and the more you   know how to code or how to decode,   the more,   this sort of,   agency you're gonna have in deciding   which ones you want to be or spend time in. And the more dependent on   other people   you are for things, the more you're going to be bound to   the highly like, the one pole or the other. Right? One pole or the other. I agree with almost everything you're saying.  



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I do.   But I I know   because we have   demonstrative   proof   that the grid is being built and being completed   as far as the the digital prison goes,   that it takes individual   effort   to have,   you know,   Faraday rooms   and things like that.   If you'll indulge me for   thirty seconds,  

[01:21:37] Unknown:

this is I'll indulge you for a whole I'll indulge you for a whole minute, Steve. Go ahead. The this is the the Starlink  

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satellite   grid   currently. Well, not currently. This is from 2024.   They've put up a bunch more satellites since then. And let's also keep in mind   that for every   three Starlink   satellites,   there's a corresponding   StarShield   satellite.   StarShield   provides communication   between various intelligence networks.   This is just commercially,   and this is what it looks like,   you know, assuming we're on a a you you know, take the the round earth, flat earth conversation out of it. Right. And just look at the fucking   satellites.  

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Right.  

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Like, they're  

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I mean, I think part of it is kind of like what Ben was saying that just because the signal exists out there, that if you don't have something in your environment that acts as a receptor or a c receiver for it, it's not as consequential as if you're, like, loaded with a bunch of things that are communicating and interacting with it all the time. Right? So, a, I think there's that. I do think that   there needs to be serious conversation   about whether it is   appropriate moral good, any of those things, to be flying Starlink over,   untouched tribes and all of that kind of stuff. Like, obviously, for   I can really only speak for those of us who live in, like, the West.  

Right? Like,   we've we've we've all had our cherry popped a long time ago as far as, like, you know, that kind of thing. And so, you know,   we're in a different situation. Right? And so   we can decide based on what kind of   items and technologies   we choose to keep our in our environment,   how we choose to,   what to what food we choose to eat, what medications we choose to take or not take,   how many receptors we're gonna have for the signals that are being   emitted.  

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You know, I've been I've been wondering about this for a while because  

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with with and I'm I'd like that comment back up. I didn't get a reveal.   Interesting.  

[01:24:04] Unknown:

I I legitimately   hope that that you have some thoughts on this, Emily, because I do I respect the hell out of your work, and I'm very glad that you're on the show tonight.   In terms of of growing food   right now,   to what degree   do you think,   what's being sprayed above us   has an impact on what we grow?   And if it's   infiltrated   the soil, the groundwater,   the water that we filter for it, like,  

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what  

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what what do you think we're eating?  

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So okay. I have kind of, like, two   two   answers that might not be that satisfying and then maybe an answer that is very satisfying. Okay? So I'm for it. I'm for I'm for all of it. I'm a city girl, so I know absolutely   nothing   about growing food and running a farm and, you know, having a well or anything like that. But I am that person who's, like, perfectly happy to pay obscene prices for whatever, like, someone like Ben or whatever it is produces for me. So I'm happy to keep him and and him or people like him in business. Right? Like, I'm not one of these people who's like, I don't know how to do anything, and also I'm not willing to pay for it. Right? I am a city person   through and through.  

So I have very little experience with that. So I don't know what   other than things I hear people say.   I don't know,   which I also recognize that, like, I can hear someone talk and understand what they're saying intellectually, and that is different than understanding what they mean based on having had that experience. Right? Yeah. So I don't know   what that is like for people who are really into to growing their food and if they've seen changes over time or what their if they've had their food tested or whatever it is. So so I can't really say anything about that, but I will say this.   I have become   increasingly   suspicious   of   the religious doctrines of conspiracy   and alternative media.  

And and some of the   the counternarratives   that we have all been   just swimming in and taken in and internalized them in the same way that the families that we call libtards and normies have accepted the CNN narrative or whatever it is. And   I'm starting to have a lot of,   suspicion and sometimes even hostility around some of these things that I believed   deeply   for for years.   Right? And   I think that that there's a lot of things that we we have   believed   or thought we knew   that maybe aren't true.   But the bigger thing, and this is kind of where I'm at with a lot of stuff right now,   something can be true but entirely not the point.  

That, like,   sure. It's true. But the reality of what's actually going on, what that is a small part of is so beyond anything that that deals with that that is almost irrelevant,   right, is   a space that I've been spending a lot of time.   And,   you know, I spent a lot of time researching,   what went on in the sky in terms of, like, you know, initially in terms of, like, chemtrails and geoengineering.   And then on, like, the the ground level of that, like, more gallons and nanotechnology   and the body. And I spent a lot of time with that and   learned a lot of things.  

And then eventually,   like, became dissatisfied   with some of those answers and went into, like, more exotic understandings of those things and learned a lot more things there.   And,   it's like   I think that   the amount of information   that has been produced around those topics   has   kept   a lot of us, myself included,   very, very busy   knowing a lot of things   that we can never quite get to the bottom of. And during the time that we've been been inspecting   these ideas,   there has been, like, a lot of progress made in areas that we have not been encouraged either by the mainstream or by the counter mainstream   to spend a lot of time looking into.  

And I'm kind of more interested in that. And I actually think that to the extent that a lot of the things that we have believed are true, they are true, but they are true not in service of the thing that we think that they're doing, but as some   side effect or byproduct of this other thing that we haven't been paying attention to. Right? So they've been getting us to, like, pay attention to the part of the football field where everyone is, you know, gathered on the pile or whatever. Meanwhile, somebody's running across the field with the football,   paying attention because that's not where the crowd crowd a or crowd b or whatever it is. Right? Yeah. So I think that, you know,   I well, I can't say that none of those things are true, and I I don't even think I think that. I think that a lot of things that we have, like think about this. If you were   either a person who was designing a system   or if you were people who figured out the way reality works before the masses did and you wanted a a little bit of time to enjoy the private club or to profit off of that which you had figured out and others hadn't.  

One way to deal with the people who are not satisfied with the mainstream explanations for things is to create, like, this conspiracy moat that is full of, like, a ton of fascinating information   that we can all get really, really caught up in and get into arguments about and fight and all of this kind of stuff. And and, like, a lot of the stuff that's in there is even true. So it's not even like we're fighting about nonsense, so sometimes we are. Right? And   the the   eventually,   maybe a few of those people developed the discernment or the awareness that, like, wow. I just, like, spent, like, five, ten, fifteen, twenty years,   like, you know, deeply looking into things that, like, may be true, but aren't the point. But also maybe things that, like, I'm not even really that interested in brought, like, no joy to my life. Right? And and things still haven't changed. Like, they haven't stopped the the the lines from being sprayed in the sky. They haven't stopped this or that for half of them happening, but it kept us very busy.  

Right? Progress was being made in other domains.   And, like, let's go examine those a bit. And then you start to examine those because you become unsatisfied with the answers you've got in the conspiracy mode, and you start to recognize that,   the the things that we think of the conspiracies as, like, the point, the why as to some why some why these things are happening,   like, it's not that. It's that, like, there's something else going on and it's more convenient   for people to think that it's happening for reason a, b, c, or d than to know what's actually happening. So it serves as, like,   the creating time. Right? Like, you know, like, when you if you're gonna come if you're gonna commit a crime or if you're gonna do something you don't want someone to know about, you wanna be able to do it and get, like, far out away from the scenario before anyone discovers that it has happened. And so a lot of this a lot I can't think of anything that's, like, better for this than sort of something like Hey. Emily,  

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I I couldn't agree with you more. I I just my my only question at this point would be, is it possible   that,   we are being weaponized   by what is unnatural,   I e,   you know, what's being sprayed   down on us to separate us   from what is   natural   and to separate us from, you know, the benefits that we would receive from these natural foods, from this natural activity,   from the, you know,   even as far as, you know, the Internet or or what social media platforms   go. And then, Ben, I saw you nodding your head like a motherfucker   a minute ago. So, I'd I'd you should definitely chime in.  



[01:32:51] Unknown:

One,   outside of just   the,   spraying the skies.   And on a personal note, I would like to chime in with that the industrial   agriculture   has completely taken away all the nutrition of your food.   So when they take   and first, when they and you do see some no till farming at this point, but the till farming Yeah. Every time they would go in until   your your soil   creates this biome.   And this biome is like a little world underneath there, and it's all interlocked and working together.   And every time you tear through, just imagine somebody taking   a giant,   like, giant,   icebreaker or something and running it through a city half a dozen times, and now you expect that city to actually function.  

Like, you you've wiped out half the infrastructure.   Are you kidding me here? And when you especially with the fungi,   the fungi, it's a network   straight up, and that network all works together.   And so you you're just entirely   destroying   that. Well, every time, every year that you do that,   this is part of why we're down to like an inch or two of tops of black topsoil.   All that's been released out into the atmosphere. Your whole biome's dead. It doesn't even have an ability to access the nutrients that it should because you've got to think of the soil as like a plant. The difference between a plant and a and a,   animal   is that a plant doesn't have a stomach.  

And so, the earth itself is the plant's stomach. So that   bacteria and fungi in the soil is what's acting as the stomach of the plant, and it's breaking down organic matter   into minerals that the plant can then uptake. So when you kill that, those minerals are not now able to be uptaken   in the proper way. Well, we've figured out how to replace some macronutrients   and some micronutrients,   but the fullness of what the plant has,   it takes day it takes years and years of repairing your soil.   And you can watch anybody that wants to really get in to,   learning about your soil and about your food and then learning about yourself, about the your own personal health. Because   as above so below, plants work like humans. It's easier to understand as plants. Please go follow Matt Paul Matt Powers.  

His one of his first courses is the permaculture   apprentice or, the the permaculture student.   And   start with that. He can take he takes it all the way up to,   soil microspike   microspikey.   Microscopy.   Yeah. I'm the worst with that particular word for some reason.   It it and,   where he's looking at the nematodes,   the beneficial,   microbes, the,   even keeping understanding that taking some that you would call,   predatory, that just keeping those in balance   actually.   A good example is there's there's one that it will eat all the junk off the outside of your root structure. If there's a little bit of it, it just cleans the outside. If there's there's a lot, it it starts eating at the root structure.   So you start learning about those balances   between what you would call destructive   and what you would call beneficial,   and learning about the balance and how those things actually work in a symbiosis.  

And it it's it's very beautiful.   Matt Powers, check it out. But once you start opening up the soil again,   it doesn't   then you're gonna start getting the nutrients   and even the flavors   of your food will start changing. There's a reason that homegrown food tastes   so much better than store food.  

[01:36:52] Unknown:

So Ben, just real quick, is part of the point of what you're saying is that we don't even have to go as far as asking a question of whether someone spraying is ruining our food. The industrial agriculture, which   people who are really busy worrying about the spraying spend less time talking about. They might be aware of it. That, like, it it's true, but not the point. They could be screening, but that is not why our food is fucked. Our food is fucked because of industrial agriculture. I'm fine with everything. With every topic I look into, there's something like exactly what you're saying. Yeah. The this is why as often as possible, I have a dude on my show,  

[01:37:28] Unknown:

named Texas Slim who has a thing called the beef initiative,   where his entire mission   is to reintroduce   people wherever you live   to your local farmer and rancher  

[01:37:42] Unknown:

and to get access to clean food. I've ordered from him before. Yeah. Told you. I'll pay I'm the city girl that'll pay the the the high prices for the good stuff that someone Dude. Right? Yeah. Slim's,  

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Slim is the shit, dude. That's my guy. You know what I mean? As far as that goes. And so   I I understand,   you know, why he operates   his business the way that he does. I think people should pay   a premium for premium product.   I do. We're all out here trying to fucking pay rent or a mortgage or eat or whatever. I don't begrudge anybody   for making a living. You know what I mean? As far as that goes.   And Slim has   spent the last five years, dude, going head to head with   everyone in the federal government except for Thomas Massey as far as that goes. Right. You know,   in terms of, like, trying to get people to understand   that   we're supposed to eat good food.  

And so,   I can't recommend enough beefinitiative.com,   beef maps. Go to beefmaps.com   right now.   See if there's a a beef initiative rancher   in your area.   Get the best   vaccine   and hormone free   beef that you possibly can.   And if it's not super close to you, they'll freeze frat   they'll   flash freeze and ship.  

[01:39:25] Unknown:

Marcus, please go ahead and, throw that link into the chat, sir.  

[01:39:29] Unknown:

Beefmaps.com?  

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But, like, I've I ordered Beef initiative and beef maps, please. Yeah. And I I did, on another show I'm sorry to interrupt you for one second, Emily. No worries. I was, just recently on I believe it was on, rye or, raging tomatoes.   And I was explaining part of the reason and I know a lot of people get mad about this that they're like, why is this why is this the good food more expensive than the junk food?   So when you go to industrial farming,   the reason that they GMO cropped   is a couple reasons.   So it made it so that way you don't have to have workers out weeding the field and out picking around in the field. So now you can just take one machine   and whip it along the field and what they with the GMO, what they've really done is make it resistant to Roundup,   and then they,   other things are not resistant to it. And so now you've made a field that can survive this horrifying poison that they put out.  

And then the thing about that poison is is that poison, when you look it up,   it,   initially was a boiler cleaner. And what the boiler cleaner was doing was taking the cake the salts that cake in after you've distilled water, which is what happens when you heat water into vapor over and over and over again. It'll leave behind salts. And so it breaks apart those salts. Well, salts are your minerals.   And so something that can survive getting the mineral stripped out of it definitely has not got a lot good left for you in it.   But,   the reason that   then mine something like I grow would have to be more expensive is, number one, I don't monoculture.  

So monoculture means you have one type of crop like corn. Now I can run a combine down that corn field, one person, and it doesn't even take a person anymore. They got computer programmed   combines. You just like, oh, you just you go park the tractor on the corner, set the program, and walk away. And so one person can do a whole field. If you don't do that, now you've gotta have a team of people   that go through and handpick.   That team of people will take like, when I was younger before all this,   when we would go and and weed the fields and whatnot for, like, a 40 acre quarter,   which is a basic quarter, your basic field that you would grow in, it would take us almost a week to go through and weed it, do whatever. Now these people are doing that in a matter of hours.  

So,  

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this My first job when I was nine   was detasseling.  

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You betcha. And and and our payment was they took us down to the damn,   you thrift market store thing, and we got to pick out some clothes out of the used clothes place. That was what we got paid.   You know?   But,   this is vastly more expensive,   laborious,   hard   work   as opposed to running a combine down the field, and you can do 10 fields every day. So   this is why your food is more expensive.   It took a team of people to do what a dude did 10 fields, and it took a team of people to do one field over a week. Yep. Calculate those prices.  

[01:42:49] Unknown:

Right.   Yep.   Yep. No. Texas beef beef initiative is great, though. Like, I ordered from his website   and, like, a couple couple years ago. And then, like, in my area, like, there was, like, four different places through that that I could sort of order from. Right? And so I picked one of them, and then it came to me through the beef initiative. But then it sort of I was then hooked up with them. So then I just started ordering directly from from them. Right? And their meat was was delicious, and they're so nice, and they, like, deliver it to you. They come with your you know, deliver it to your apartment or or whatever it is.  

[01:43:25] Unknown:

Please Please let me personally connect you with Slim   and have him on your show.   Okay? I'll make that happen, like, tonight. Slim have the wag use? Because Christy likes that. The type that Christy eats, but she has to have the wag use. If it's not wag use, she's like, no. That's shoe leather. You don't need the Wagyu. You really don't. You don't. You just need all that grass fed, grass finish. You but, yeah, Emily, please, like, let let me connect you with Slim because that dude, that's that's my fucking brother,   and he's solid as shit.  

And he he wants to see you succeed   even if he's never met you. Like, he's down.  

[01:44:12] Unknown:

Yeah. No. I mean, he's like, I've listened to some interviews with him and what I've never met him, but he definitely,  

[01:44:18] Unknown:

he's made his life all about it. Right? Yeah. And he's on my show pretty much every Thursday.   Oh, wow. I I'll have to check it out. For, like, three years at this point.  

[01:44:29] Unknown:

I will have to check it out. I did not know that you guys were that you guys were tight.  

[01:44:35] Unknown:

We're in this shit, dude. I I'd   people don't know because I'm algorithmically   banned, but I've I've kind   of been in this shit for a long time.   And the people that I I know and I fuck with   are really good people   like mister Balderson here.   Like, mister what did you call him? Alien Marcus? I call him alien Marcus, dude. Yeah. You come in peace. Yeah. That's the that's the old school spider name.  

[01:45:07] Unknown:

Yep.   I thought I thought I was the only one who called him that. I just the first time I ever met him, that's what I thought it said. I thought it said It it did say that. It did say that. You're the one who remembers it. No. I can read. I I can read. Yay.  

[01:45:22] Unknown:

Right? I can read. You are one of those noticers that we've been warned about.  

[01:45:27] Unknown:

Alright. So so,   like, let me let me take us back real quick to the way I see this, and I would like to get your thoughts because this is something that I'm gonna be getting into from variety of perspectives in, like, my series going forward.   Okay? So,   at about the same time I read the the   the Robert Temple book, I had two other   sort of meetings of the mind that that sort of I haven't had Robert Temple on my show yet, but may maybe I will. Right?   There's a gentleman that that I'm friendly with. He's been on my show a couple of times. His name is Danny Goler, and he is the guy   who, looks at takes DMT and shines the diffracted laser at the wall and sees the code. You guys familiar with who I'm talking about? K. He's been on my show a couple of times, like, before he before he wore seen this I've seen this a few from a few different people. That's some crazy shit. Right. So he was on he like, a a friend of mine told me about him, and I got him on my show kind of before he got real big and popular and on Danny Jones and shit like that. Right? So there's several hours of he and I having, like, a good old fashioned Jewish debate on all of this over on my channel. Right?  

But, essentially,   what he's, you know, his his claim, and it's not just his claim, it's other people, plenty, thousands of them at this point who concur.   Right? And   no one knows, like, what is causing this, but people all these people are claiming to see it. That if you take DMT and you shine a diffracted laser at a surface, you will see code running between the laser and the surface of the wall. And that that code   looks something like Japanese katakanas   or, like, the language that they wrote they the the observers would write in infringe, if you guys ever watched fringe.   Right? Yeah. And so rather than like, there's all kinds of people who are in, like, the,   academic   psychedelic space. You know, they have a problem sort of with what Danny is doing some of them because it's not, you know, he didn't do it in a lab with a double blind study and this, that, and he talks about it. And so now he's he's, you know, poisoned the well or whatever. That that nonsense. If we wait for science, we're never gonna get anywhere for me, but I understand why they feel that way.  

But to me, it's like, well,   this takes me back to what Robert Temple was saying about there's a giant digital brain out there that is doing computations   and storing information,   and we just maybe normally can't see it. And so if you alter your perception a little bit and if you look at it through the right lens,   suddenly you can see all of that information and all of that calculation that's there. Now the question is is are those things that you see yes. Oh, a rewatch of Fringe every year or two is totally necessary.  

[01:48:13] Unknown:

God bless Walter.  

[01:48:15] Unknown:

God bless Walter, bitch. Absolutely. Right?   I love Fridge. It's one of my favorite favorite series ever. Right? Yeah. Well, the first, like, three to four seasons, anyway.   I I I liked them all. Like, for me, there was something in all of it. Right? But it was a very good,   there's it wasn't as popular as a lot of other shows. It was kind of off to the side with a lot of truth buried in there. Right?   But, you know, what is what is that that people are seeing?   Is that the is that something that is coding   the reality that we're experiencing and we're normally not seeing the computation and the symbols and and the the digits that go behind that? Right? Is that what it is? Or is it some secondary layer of intelligence or information that is embedded in the field?  

And if you understand how to read and decode that, does it, you know, is it some, like,   is that sort of the the implication of learning to code or learning to decode that you can almost sort of have some insight into what is coming? Like, what is going to happen next? Like, what is the sort of underlying   the underlying structure or code of our reality? And if you can sort of read that script,   do you have more insight than people who who can't or aren't even aware that it's there? Right? So that happened. I met him two years two and a half years ago, three years ago. And then when I read the Robert Robert Temple book last year, it sort of put some of that into a new context for me. So it's almost like what we think about, like, the cloud from, like, the computer. Like, do you store your shit on the cloud? What if that cloud is all around us? If the information is being stored there, can we access it? How do we access it? Do we not even need to go through our computer to access the cloud? Is it literally, like, in our living room? Is there, like, an entire, like, is there, like, an entire history? Let's just say for the sake of discussion that all of this stuff that looks like empty space in my room, what if there's, like,   data stored about everything that has ever occurred in this   square feet of not of of space here since the beginning of time is literally imprinted in some sort of language or code   on the plasma or the ether or whatever that thing is right there. And if I can either   take a drug or wear a set of glasses that allows me to see it, and then I can figure out what all that means, like, how informed can I be about what it is that I'm living in? And then I also   found the, you know, very controversial   work of of Ahmaud Hellman   who, like, there's there's a lot going on there. There's a few things that I'm very interested in that he talks about, and then other stuff,   a, either not so much or, b, like, I would have no way of proving or even carrying on some level whether some of that is true. But I'm very interested in the things that he has to say   about some of these, oracular cults and the way that they would use   substances   to retrieve information   from the field and that that information went into our   understanding of medicine and science and philosophy.  

So is he also talking about that same giant digital brain there that has everything and it's just a matter of adjusting   your,   perception,   your ability to decode light and information   into something that can sort of see it and then perceive it.   Right? And then, you know,   some of what he described as the ionic life or life outside the time stream communicating with the intelligence that is sort of beyond that wall. Right? That's very interesting to me. And   plasma is made up of ions.   And so when we're talking about the ionic life, are we talking about   sort of living a life with awareness that there's all of this other layers and all of these other layers of information around us that we cannot see?  

Also,   we live in a conspiratorial   reality that has all of these pyramids or triangles with eyes on them. I think that they're coding all around us that there's this ionic field this field of, like, ionized plasma   that is holding all of the intelligence   all around us. And because we don't understand how to see it or how to decode it, those that do are in the know, and they're mocking us with the eye on the pyramid. No one's thinking it's about ions like plasma.   Right? For those of you who are, like, conspiracy long timers, maybe some of you also used to follow ion and Bob, and it took me a long time to understand what they were talking about. But methinks we have it you know? I'm I'm coming closer to figuring it out. Right? That there is this just massive store of intelligence   all around us,   and we just gotta find   the right drug to take, the right lens to wear. I don't think it always has to be drugs. Like, I think there's many, many ways to do this.  

Right? Like, I think that each culture over time has developed their own rituals, practices, methods, technologies, styles of accessing that field, and then dat   like, cataloging,   databasing,   storing that information,   and   and making sure that   only,   you know, the people that that's intended for get to see it.   It's my belief that we're here. So it is our birthright to know it and to understand it, but we have to figure out how to do it. I don't think anyone's gonna come and tell us.  

[01:53:46] Unknown:

I I think, Emily,   that   we're,   in more or less   complete alignment, and we're using   different terminology to   describe the same things.  

[01:54:03] Unknown:

That's usually the case.  

[01:54:08] Unknown:

Like, I really do get that sense.   You know, I did and and I would call it   okay.   Once upon a time,   I   went to Purdue University   in West Lafayette, Indiana,   And I   really liked mushrooms.  

[01:54:32] Unknown:

Yep. K? What's not to like?  

[01:54:35] Unknown:

Right? And so I took,   way more than a heroic dose   of mushrooms.   I put, like,   eight and a half, nine grams on a bowl of Lucky Charms in the cafeteria   in the morning and then tried to go to class.   I couldn't do Mushrooms doesn't sound like a good combination. I'm gonna have to lie No. It was delicious. It was. It was. If if the more sugar you put in with the mushrooms, the better they taste. I promise.   But,   I had a teacher   who had, like, this little red perm,   and she turned into a cartoon giraffe   in front of me. And,   I was reacting like there was a giant cartoon giraffe in the room.  

So she asked me to say something, and I said   and that's all I could say.   That was it. That was the whole fucking thing.   And, you know,   I had a friend who was in the class that was like, we're going to go outside now. And we went outside.   When we went outside,   I looked at a lamppost   and I saw   the matrix   chemical   breakdown   and code   in all of it. This is in 1996,   by the way, when when this happened.   And I saw   everything in front of me written in code. I didn't know what code was.   I didn't. It took, like, another, you know, several years   before I even had the knowledge base   to understand   what I was looking at.  

I I agree with you   that there's, like, a scripted reality   that has been presented   for us,   but I will   fight until   I'm fucking   well beyond buried   to say that it doesn't have to be this way.  

[01:56:48] Unknown:

Yeah.   Right? I mean, like, it's kind of, you know, you  

[01:56:53] Unknown:

you Since y'all are taking on the same damn team here now,  

[01:56:59] Unknown:

You got two hours. You need a little pushback.  

[01:57:03] Unknown:

You you you,   so from then your position,   basically,   would you not just be the   similar to the what is it? The the last matrix or the the maybe is it second one where he meets the the code maker guy?   And to find out that   Neo, while not necessarily something they intentionally   put in the code, was not also something necessarily   unexpected and not at some point something to be accounted for. And the same trope appears in,   like, you can look at Dune.   If you read the series rather than than,   watch the show,   by the time it comes to god emperor of Dune,   Duncan asks the god emperor why he didn't go and destroy the rebels even though he knew where the rebels were and knew, you know,   approximately who all of them were. And he said,   this is a force that's gonna exist no matter what. Right now, it's a known force that I can control because it's known. If I go wipe it out, it will be replaced because that has to be there. That's always going to be there. So if I wipe out this known force, now it gets replaced by an unknown force   that might be more destructive to me than this known force.  

And where this known force, I've already got it calculated,   and accounted for. So   and you guys'   shared view now,   even though you're as Steve just put it, he's gonna try and buck the system, would you not then also be an accounting   of the system that just is part of the counterculture,   which for every culture, you can't even have a culture without a culture counterculture. The two are codependent.   Have you not just become part of that system then? That's a false binary, and I fundamentally  

[01:59:04] Unknown:

reject the,   idea that you have to fit into one of those things.   You don't. You don't. Like, it really doesn't have any culture guy would say. I   I   I do. I believe   that, you know, yes.   Okay.   If we put it in terms of physics, you know, for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction,   but there's a third action that takes place.   And this has been demonstrated   over and over and over,   and you don't have to do   the opposite   of what's being suggested   in order to make a point. You don't.  

[01:59:53] Unknown:

Emily, please. So first of all, I haven't seen Matrix or Dune or any of that kind of stuff. Right? But I think this is what he just said was is very important. Right? It isn't like, oh, this is the reality they presented us and they wanted us to believe. And so the opposite,   like, must be true and good because this is bad. The opposite must be true or I'm like at the place where like,   we're dumb. We don't even understand what is happening or how it works. So before we decide who's doing it and why, and if they're good or bad, and should we protest them or should we join them? Like a certain amount of observation and experimentation, I think is what's being called for here. Right. And and to sort of do that from this sort of, you know, open minded place. And also understand that, like, we   think about things that have gone on in the past as being like prehistoric ancient, not as   smart, not as, you know, up to date or modern or whatever it is. I, I don't think that's the case. Right. I think we have forgotten a lot of knowledge along the way. And just because we have more stuff   and more, like, buildings and things like that, like, more is just more. It's not better.  

Right?   I don't know. Like, you know, I   I I I think we have a lot of,   learning to do before we decide   what's good, bad, this, that, or the other thing.   And my biggest problem is just, like, with people who want to force us into scenarios where there are supposed to be experts that tell us what things mean.   Right? Because   I think we can figure out for ourselves. I think if we, you know, have some learning and some experimenting and some observation   or whatever it is,   like,   I think some of these things become fairly obvious.   Right? I think if somebody if you have an experience that feels powerful and then somebody in glasses and a suit tells you what that's supposed to mean, like, I don't feel like I need that help.  

Right? And so, like, the rejection   is not of, like,   culture or counterculture.   It's like somebody else trying to tell me what I just experienced means.   Right? Or or or whatever it is. That's the the mediation  

[02:02:11] Unknown:

of the idea.  

[02:02:12] Unknown:

Those Sort of the the the man in the middle attack. You know, You got Yeah. You you have to you have to find a broker to broker a deal, this type of idea, or we can have direct an expert to analyze your experience or whatever. Like, it is different to be like, hey. I had this experience. Let me run by my person who I know maybe knows a little more about this and see what they think. That is completely different than you have an experience and someone tells you that is that means this. That's symbolic of that. You shouldn't do that. This is the way you do it. We do psychedelics  

[02:02:42] Unknown:

with white coats in the hospital bed in the rain or whatever it is. Like, you know, I think I was gonna bring up the idea of of dream interpretation, and you were talking about text on the wall. There's the story of Belshazzar   having a party, and they were drunk maybe on substances. And then there's, some dream, and they see writing on the wall, and they bring in Daniel to interpret it. I don't know if that's a one to one analogy with what you're talking about with Danny Goler and and DMT and these types of things, But that is a literary example that, you know, a faith tradition might carry forward and say, well, okay. Does how does this compare   to what we're looking at now? And to your question of, you know, how smart or dumb we are, I mean, there there are times when   we forget to breathe properly,   and and we just   we might not even be able to fall asleep or sleep properly because our body is so dumb with sleep apnea   because we've just are we we we have these muscles   that we just don't flex anymore when we're you know, we get a our neck just develops a certain way because we're scrolling on our phone. So there's these types of things that That's the truth.  

Right. And and then and then the idea of, like, ADHD   and executive functioning   where there's, like,   you know, you're an adult, but then you have to have someone come into your house to remind you to eat and take a shower   and do your laundry, these types of things. So we've outsourced   as a culture certain responsibilities to say, well, we're hashtag   adulting.   So there is this question   of, you know, are we moving forward? Are we getting smarter? Are we getting dumber? Or or and, like, the VR culture in the Ready Player One thing where it's like, well, we can just stay in our home   the entire time. And then just through screens,   we can interact with the world. And then maybe some people will do that whether or not it's a choice   that they do that or not. I think there's a great adventure   outside,   and that gets back into, like, the the Amish thing we're talking about and the culture they have and the privacy   and the values that they have. That that is sort of the the biggest issue I think that we're we're facing right now as, you know, humanity   moving forward   is the the executive   function   to declare,   I don't wanna waste my life   scrolling   on a screen   Yeah. Looking for dopamine hits. And this thing about, you know, I'm going to I'm trying a new social network and maybe it's blue sky and they don't have an AI algorithm for you page, so I don't get to see what I wanna see and that doesn't hit my dopamines anymore.  

So we have to decide if and even amongst on a meta level, we're talking about the shows that we do and the content we put out.   We do that and then we wanna take a nap and then we wake up and we're like, well, if we don't promote it,   no one sees the stuff. So this freedom of speech and freedom of reach thing has been solved by the corporation to say, well, with Facebook advertising,   you can advertise   your materials. So you just pay them   to then give you a little bit more reach pay per view, this type of thing. So we have the simulation   layer   upon our day to day lives.  

So when we wake up and we log in, it's like, you got mail. You check your mail. And then because of Pavlovian response to   Facebook   messages,   nudging,   pushing, check this reminder, breaking news on Twitter. So now you spend the next three hours figuring out a breaking story because a plane fell out of the sky and landed upside down, and maybe there's an alien invasion and there's a project Blue Beam, and there's a Nasara, and   they're gonna give us free money, and we're we're getting the we're getting the dividend because Doge found that there's money available to give to Americans who are homeowners, this type of thing. So it's one thing after the other, and it's, again, going back to the the noise sort of information flood   where it's just we're we're being led around to into different cul de sacs to get dizzy and then run out of energy,  

[02:06:56] Unknown:

and then we're not networking face to face. Dude, every time I take a nap, I wake up and I find out that I'm in a fight with people that I don't I wouldn't even try to fight.  

[02:07:08] Unknown:

I think I think the like, being intentional.   Right? Like, I am going out to do this, and I am leaving my phone at home. Like, remember back in the eighties, we didn't bring our phone with us anywhere we went, and everything was fine. Right? Like, everything was fine. So, like, I don't think there's anything wrong necessarily with the phone or any of the technologies per se, but just how, like, everything blurs into everything.   Like, right now, I'm going out to to dinner with Laura. I'm leaving my phone at home. I'm gonna enjoy being here. We're gonna   eat delicious food. We're gonna talk about whatever we do. Okay. I'm home. I'm kind of enjoying not being with my phone. I think I'll go to sleep without, you know, looking at it or whatever and then wake up in the morning and deal with whatever that is. And I'm going on vacation or I'm going here or there. I think part of it is just, like, being more intentional   with, like, deciding what we're actually doing at this moment, at this hour, at this time with who or whatever it is, and not have everything always have to be part of everything else. You don't have to have, like, everything for everything.  

Right?   I think that's that that is part of it. It's just like and that's this the phone has been the sneakiest little motherfucker   at getting us to blur the lines between,   you know,   things that, like, you don't really need to pay attention to and things you do. Right? Like, it would be one thing to, like when you were younger, you'd have the TV playing, but you're visiting with your family and it might be playing. You might be watching it. You talk at the commercials, but there was, like, a way that you were kind of still present because you were watching the same TV. And then when we had phones, it's like we each have this different sort of portal into   a reality of our own, if not creation, our own curation.  

Right? And so, like, you look I'm sure you guys have all seen this. You're in a restaurant, and there's a couple, like, completely ignoring each other. They're sitting there across the table. They're on a date. They're each looking at their own fucking phone doing this and absolutely ignoring each other even though they, like, spent $200   on their dress and their suit, and they've got a $300 bottle of   hundred dollar filet mignon sitting right there in front of them.   Right? Leave your phone at home sometimes. I've been doing that a little bit more lately. I admit. I'm addicted to it sometimes. Sometimes I'll be there laying in my bed at fucking 12:30,   scrolling and reading or whatever it is. But, like do it. I won't. I fucking refuse.  



[02:09:29] Unknown:

It's it's kinda easy for me because, like, the power goes out in the evening, and that's the end of that. It doesn't fucking matter what I wanted, what you know, whether I I could be like, need to touch the internets and it wouldn't matter. Well, that's the time when the the channel would sign off for the night, and you just have a test pattern for I am way more  

[02:09:49] Unknown:

way more into my girl than I am my phone.   And I'm always going to be way more into my girl than I am my phone.   And I can't rub my phone's   fucking sweet, sweet ass. I can't.  

[02:10:04] Unknown:

It doesn't have one. It doesn't. You can probably make a phone case that is, like, burning.  

[02:10:10] Unknown:

It just it it ain't gonna happen, dude. It ain't gonna happen. I'm never   gonna be able to grab my phone's titties.   You know, like I, I, I believe in tangible reality. I believe in three-dimensional   space where people   engage,   for good or ill.   Honestly, like, I I would much rather   square up in person   than online.   I would much rather hug you in person   than online.   You know? Like, it it,   it doesn't have to be this way, and we keep getting driven into this shit   like fucking cattle, and we don't   have to live like that. We don't.   I can't stress this enough. It it it doesn't have to be this way.  



[02:11:04] Unknown:

And and the thing is is   people aren't as shitty to each other in person, and that's the thing. Like and it's not that you're scared of the of the next person. It's really not. It's that when you're in the space of another person and sharing energy with them, that you you just naturally wanna get along with them and you have empathy with them.   And over the internets,   you know, it's real easy   to try and poke strangers and try and shit on strangers.   But, you know, like,   like,   the ortho bro the ortho bros who run around thinking they're real tough. They really enjoy picking on young leftists, have never experienced the world. Most of them are girls.   And and you wouldn't feel so cool about making a girl cry if you were standing there next to her and telling her and just sitting there shitting on her. In fact, I think half you were, though, bros would try and sleep with her if you could. But, you know,   because yeah. Exactly.  

But on the Internet, because you guys are ganged up as a little team and because there's not you've, like, disconnected from the reality of it, you feel like you could just be this little fucking pack of hyenas.   And   it's really kinda gross to watch, but you you really develop a bond with people,   that you wouldn't normally develop with people in other in other ways just by spending a little bit of time with them. You're like, you know what? Say what you want. He's an alright guy. Yeah. You know? That's and that's the way you end up coming off because you actually know that person.   It's just how it is. So this this interacting socially through   only the internets, it's it's a shit way to do it.  



[02:12:46] Unknown:

I agree.   I met Ben in person. I know he's an alright guy.   Right?  

[02:12:52] Unknown:

Emily and I have spent time in person, intend on doing it again. We love Emily. We love Laura. It's it's you know? And and that's what happens when you spend time with people. So that's a real network. I I know Balderson. So Balderson introduced me to Steve.  

[02:13:07] Unknown:

Now Steve and I are pretty good friends, and Emily, we've known each other through streaming, but it's like, Balderson can can vouch for you, and I can vouch for Balderson and having this face to face allowed to vote. So  

[02:13:20] Unknown:

I'm not allowed to vote either.  

[02:13:23] Unknown:

But I I won't let Steve vote either. He lives in an apartment.   Yeah. No. It's not.   But that's also not that I wouldn't care about you guys.  

[02:13:32] Unknown:

To be fair, Emily is more of a man than some men.  

[02:13:36] Unknown:

Illegitimate   system built on theft, extortion, and violence. Why would I wanna participate in that shit?  

[02:13:42] Unknown:

Why? When people, like, for that when when when Ben was on, like, Robert Phoenix's and made a little kerfuffle about women shouldn't be allowed to vote, like, some people are asking me how I felt about it. It's like, I have no interest in voting. What am I gonna get butthurt now? Because Ben is like, Emily shouldn't vote. I'm like, I already know. Gonna cut me out of something I don't wanna be a part of in the first place? Okay. Okay. Fine.   Yeah. I think you couldn't you you couldn't come up with something I care about less to try to get me to defend. Right? I mean, that's right. Voting is a perfect example of a layer of simulation  

[02:14:18] Unknown:

amongst Totally. Real world thing. Like, like, voting is not a simulated environment. You are a % Totally.   That that's the simulation.  

[02:14:29] Unknown:

Right? Uh-huh. Yeah. And I I I know Bill's wrong with fucking ten years at this point. Fun.  

[02:14:35] Unknown:

No. It's hilarious because it it it is a perfect example because it's something you can hold up as a banner and people like, god. He's a real asshole. That guy don't care about he must hate women. And you're like, no. No. I've met him in person. He's he really does care about women, and   his wife adores him, and he adores his wife. And,   you know, like, would give the world for like, you you can make that assumption without,   you know, putting all the understanding that I'm putting into it if you've never met me. That's it's a simple thing to do, but once you've met me and so it's really a very perfect example.  

[02:15:11] Unknown:

Yeah. I've known this dude for almost ten years.   I I have   rarely met   someone   as deeply devoted   to his wife and his family   as Ben is. Like, this dude   goes hard   every day   for them. He's broken his body   for them. You are   going to be hard pressed to meet another individual   that is as   committed   to their success.   Not his success,   their success Like you as Ben Balderson.  

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Even beyond all of that. Right? We're all grown ups here. We don't have to agree about everything to get along. So let's just say I really cared about voting, which I don't. So I'm not gonna make that fight. Right? Like like, I don't for me,   all that you have to do is live according to the things that you say are true. And if I live according to the things that I say are true, we can think different things are true, and we can still have a certain amount of, like, shared values. It's not like being like minded or having to agree about things, but we agree that the things that we say are important, we're gonna do those things. And the things that we think are stupid, we're not gonna do those things. Right? Like, you guys remember he has been gone for a long time, but you remember Michael Joseph. You know Michael Joseph? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, a cult with all those, like, a cult, you know, series and things like that. Like, he used to be on my show quite a bit. And I haven't talked to him in a little while, but we we we struck up, like, a really good friendship. And then he became a very, very devout Catholic.   Right? Like, really devout. He's super into it. Right? And it's not something I'm particularly into, but I can see how meaningful it is to him. And there are certain things about my life that goes against a lot of things that he now believes in how things are important, but we're still friends. We still text each other. Right? Like, he's living according to what he thinks is right, and I'm living according to what I think is right. And we don't have to agree about what that is, but so long as one person doesn't say one thing and do another, we're good.  

Right? And so I don't like this idea that we all have to agree about everything in order to get along is, like, not only dumb, but also boring. Like, I think it's boring when we all agree. I like disagree. My friends all the time, man. One of my best friends  

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in this whole shit is Jason Burmes.   And I disagree with Burmes at this point.  

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Not everything.  

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Basically   everything.   I really do. But that's my dog, dude.   And so we can disagree.   We can. It's okay. I still fucking love them. We were talking about this earlier, dude. Ben and I have, like, basically taken it to the fucking ground before.   And then, you know, went outside, smoked the joint, came back in, had dinner,   and fucking woke up and went to work the next day. Yeah.   Sometimes you got to. Sometimes you got to. But that's how you make friends. Right?   Ain't it?   A %.  

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And Marcus is my Marcus is a % my road dog too. And   at Marcus, the shit that dude knows and pays attention to, I don't even know what the fuck he's talking about half the time. I mean, you know what?   Fucking   that's needed because other people know what he's talking about, and I don't. Like,   fucking   just you wanna laugh, Emily?  

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He he do. I'm not sure they do.  

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He he he for for, like, six months, I thought he was making fun because Marcus also is a shitster.   He likes he likes to subtly stir the shit. I mean, super subtle. It's odd.  

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Cheekbones. Look at him blush right now, dude. He's getting all flushed in the face and those cheekbones.   He knows he knows exactly what the fuck he's doing. Don't fucking sit here and try and fool anybody with your little elf and fucking angelic face. We all know. We all fucking know, dude. We do.   Yeah. We're all done to you. We're all done. I thought  

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he was fucking with me, and he kept talking about this Doge cat thing, and I totally thought he was making something up. Right. And I you you know, because you know me. I don't fucking watch anything   pop culture or anything like that. So I'm just like,   every time he'd bring it up and he'd talk about what's the other one that you'd talk about all the time?   The pooty poo poo thingy.   Pooty pie? Yeah. And I and I just thought he was babbling dumb shit just to fuck with me. And fucking   YouTuber, pooty pie. And then and then one day, I I actually seen the Doge cat thing. And then literally, like, the next week, somebody tries bringing something up. I'm like, Doge Cat? And he's like,   yes. And I'm like  

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No. There's a method to to alien Marcus's madness.   Right? But let's not be mistaken. It is a form of madness. Well, there there's a there's a stream that you can directly  

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tap into, and it's like this this cultural   stream. And, you know, if we're talking about a simulation theory, it's like,   what is   going to be mainstream   in the culture? You you know, MTV would play one music video   at a time, and people would pay attention to that. And then they'd have a countdown show, and they'd all   decide that this is the number one band of the moment at this time. Now we've decentralized from that, and people have their favorites, and they fight over what is the best band. And it's Taylor Swift all the time because the Swifties are the are are they're organized,   and they fight first Taylor Swift.  

But going back in time, the the idea of Doja Cat becoming the next big thing, at that time, I was looking at, you know, the the current, the stream, the cocktail twins, the milk and honey, and the symbolism of the goddess, and this person who's   mixed. She's got the mixed culture. She has the skin. She fits the profile of where everything's leading, and then sure enough, she wins the MTV artist of the year award. And then the next year, she's hosting the award. So how could I see that? Well, I was in that current. I was looking for it. I was keeping up with it. I I think it's because he's actually when when we're in the time of gods of monsters, and he's gonna be the next Argus.  

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And I think in that room behind him where you in front of him where you guys can't see, it's actually nothing but hard drives   similar to, like, the the fucking homeland security thing there in Lehigh, where it's just like a bank of hard drives, and there's actually invisible cords going to them from Marcus's brain.   And and he's  

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Have we considered the possibility   that Marcus   just likes really shitty hip hop?   Is is that a possibility?  

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I've never made any claims to my musical taste of being superior   to anyone else's.  

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I know for a fact that he he likes Christian music.   Yeah. Hey. He'll get him started. Striper all day. I will. That again, that's a that's a worldview, and I'm We already know Steve's got piss poor taste in music. He doesn't even understand   that Bruce Dickinson   is definitely   the the best of Your wife has told me personally   my wife listens to pick.  

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I have great taste in this. We did drive through You do have great taste in this. As often as you want. I'm I I bang that shit. We drove through Iowa listening  

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to bullet train to Iowa as we were driving through Iowa.  

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You have to listen to William Elliott Whitmore while you're driving through Iowa because that's Iowa. That.   I did, man. I did. That's a friend of my my brother who passed away. That's his buddy.   He he does   he does music right. He does.  

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All the music I like goes, like,   right. You know? I like I just say heck no to the echo. Music.  

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I do. I say heck no to echo it.  

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Alright, guys. It's getting to be my bedtime because I'm   a few hours at and I think, alien, I think, alien, you might be in my time zone. Central ten? Yes. 10:26PM?  

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Yes. He's got the power of God behind him, though, so he doesn't get tired.   Thank thank you so much for coming in, Emily. It was fantastic as always having you, and,   I can't wait  

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to either podcast or or in person hang out with you again. Thanks for having me. I don't know how much simulation, debation, debating   we did, but, but I'm, always down to hang out for any number of hours with with all of you gentlemen. And,   just, let's see. We're halfway.   Chris and I are halfway   down the second pillar.   Nice. We finish the second pillar. We'll,   invite professor Balderson back, but maybe I'll just have you for a regular show about other stuff sometime soon as well. And I look forward to chatting with you gentlemen.   Emily, before you take off house, on your house, whoever's house we're hanging at online, offline,  

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whatever it is. Do you guys do, word sales? Emily, before hang out real quick. Before you take off, Emily, I dropped my email in the private chat here in StreamYard.   I would love to have you on one of my shows.  

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Alright. Well, I think we can all go on each other's shows. We can all be a happy bunch. How does that sound?   How does that Thank you.   Yes.   Word salad is tomorrow night   at 5PM central.   Is that the time we do it? Yes. 5PM central. Yep. Danny Danny wasn't there last week, so I'm sure,   we well, I'm sure we have lots of pent up rage for the Weinstein brothers and whoever else crosses us that Talk about talk about Dan Bongino.   Dan, like, to me, like, the the it's so it's so obvious. Right? Like, it's not I mean, I don't like, I stopped paying attention to him years ago. I remember the first time he was ever interviewed   by Alex Jones when he first came out of the Secret Service   back, you know, ten years ago or whatever it is. But, like, I don't like, to for me, like, there's nothing to be mad at because I was never fooled by this nonsense. So sometimes it's hard for me to, like,   to to simulate   some sort of outrage over something that was, like, always captain obvious.  

What it like, I'm I'm I'm aware that he has been named the deputy   director of the FBI   and, like, you know,   he is what you know, freedom of speech for the people that agree with me, but not for other people. He's a rabid Zionist, which is a huge problem for me. Right? Like, all of that kind of stuff. But is there some other   thing that he's done that I'm not aware of because I don't really pay that much attention to right wing media? Like, what is happening?  

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Yeah. Hey. It was just interesting to   see after, Lee Harvey, Oswald Oswald Harvey, Corey Hughes production   stream with the AM Wake Up on Saturday.   The following Monday, we're on Rumble, and then there's some strange happenings.   And it just, it seemed like we were just close to it for a moment. They're rolling the view counts backwards on that, man. Corey Hughes's two Oswald's presentation,  

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when I woke up this morning,   had,   nearly four k views   on it.   Right now, I think it's, like,   3,200   and something. Like, they're rolling the view count backward.  

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Can you spell the handle for me on that? They'll mark us real fast about the connection to Dan Dan Mangino.  

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We were watching   on   the Rumble platform   as Dan Bongino has his stream talking about how he's accepted the nomination.   And then at that point, the rumble stream for AM wake up   kicked the bucket.  

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Yep. Okay. So, like, they were trying to force people off of every other stream so that everybody will tune in to Dan's at Bongino.  

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That's that's what I thought was happening because everyone is is it still up? And they went to the home page. And on the home page, it it was his video, and everyone clicked over to his video to see that it was still streaming where he was announcing. You know, he's getting all emotional about how he's instantly been my experience with Rumble. I I got what you're I got what you're saying. Do, you, what is you explain to me this theory of two Oswalds and is one of the Oswald Luigi Mangione?  

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Yeah. Well, we're talking about Harvey Lee Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald.   Luigi,   you know,   freaking Alfredo or whatever,   I think is a complete  

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fabrication. Luigi's Mansion is a horror game produced by Nintendo.   Luigi's Mansion? Exactly. Also,  

[02:28:19] Unknown:

like, it it it like, there's a number of ways you can go with the Luigi Mangione thing, and I've down lots of them. The name game is fun to play. Yeah. The Name I Name Mangione literally is nonimage.   Nonimage. This is per Yeah. None of those pictures are real. All the pictures they showed while they were hunting for him, they're all different people. They're not the same %. Like that. Right? Like, so there's that. I have a lot of other little theories, but, yes, I I agree with you. You. Yeah. No. I think I think the whole thing is an entire fabrication,  

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and I think it's meant to further,   like, distract and divide.   And I'd   as far as I can tell, there's no actual proof   that Brian Thompson was shot.   And so it it's   a a whole ball of wax. It really is. Please come on. Let's talk about it. You know? Like, let let's air that out. I I wanna   I I wanna get into that a little bit, especially with somebody like you that, you know, has these thoughts and has looked into some of it. So let's set that up. Love to have you on for that. We'll do it. Alright, gentlemen.  

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Thank you so much. I love spending time with you. We'll do it again soon. Have a good night. Bye, everybody. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Emily. Emily  

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Moyer, everybody.   That was freaking fun. A blast.   Yeah.  

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I'm gonna find ways to play with this simulation and see if it is a simulation.  

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Wait.   Oh. Okay. Wait. No. Were you When I go to leave the studio, it was like, do you want to leave and upload? I just I someone wants to leave Oh, because it's got well, we got local recordings on.  

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So the the all that does is is,  

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if you've not used StreamYard, Emily, I can't remember. I've yeah. You don't use StreamYard, do you? And I don't use StreamYard, but I've I've I've been on other people's shows with that, and it doesn't usually do that. Riverside  

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We all this doing is is   it it's taking and recording individually   in each of our shows,   and then it stitches them back together after we end it. So that way, if somebody has,   little bit of issues,   it kinda it takes those out and fixes it through other people's streams. And, also, if you  

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for you guys. Just put yes when it asks me to do that. Okay. Yeah. And if you want clean audio on your end, if you wanted to rebroadcast   or redistribute   or anything like that, it gives you the option to do that from here. Okay. Alright, guys. Good night. Thank you. Bye. Night, Emily. Thank you.  

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Yeah. Really, at the end of the day, the, SIM theory   honestly turns into the free will   debate   is,   if you believe is it faded or is it or is there free will? And then even inside of that,   from my position of free will,   free will, the only thing that it allows you to do   is change your position. So from a heathen position, the world is a web. We call it the web of weird.   So you look at the web as a tapestry,   and, obviously,   every piece of that tapestry needs to be filled.   So for me,   no matter what, you're gonna fit into that fucking tapestry,   but   you can choose   where you're gonna fit in the tapestry.  

Most people don't. Most people   just where their place is is where their place is. Where   for me, you could choose. But the events that were gonna happen, they're gonna fucking happen whether you want them to or not. You aren't stopping Ragnarok.   There's nothing gonna stop it. It's coming.   And all you get to choose is   the juxtaposition  

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that you have to it. All you get to choose is your flavor of Ricola.  

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You   but you also get to choose how you prepare for that event. Yeah. And you also get to choose,   like,   to varying degrees,   how much that event actually impacts   your personal life.   Yeah. And you're one of those people   that's a live,   living example   of how to, you know, set up your life to where you're   significantly   less impacted   by that particular event.  

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%.   And so and so I think it's kind of a as Steve's explaining for me in my world,   you know, I I definitely take the free will try you know, free will side of things, But I also have a recognition that   no matter how much free will you have, if you're caught in the current, the current's gonna affect you. Like, that's just how no matter how it that that's just how it fucking works. You can have all the free will in the fucking world, but if you're caught in the current and you don't know how to swim, you're fucked.   Yep.  



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Yep. So learn how to swim,   I guess,   is what we're trying to say, man. I I don't know. I don't know.   You,   Emily brought up central time. And the way that my mind works   is that if you say a word or phrase,   it will   make a song appear in my head.  

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Mhmm.  

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Before we get out of here, can I play central time?  

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Yeah. Absolutely. And thank everybody for coming. This was an awesome show. So so much for your time. We're gonna   Everybody over on, Odin's Alchemy,   Benjamin Ballerson. Please come over to the liberating dog face dudes. Give it a like. Give it a sub.   Everybody else has been watching all night. You know, we appreciate you. Please give us a like and sub. It's,   the three of us are all kinda on the hit list, and so we don't,   it's hard for us to grow.   Any help that you and we don't, you know, we don't normally put that whole thing where most shows, they're probably   better better do having done it with the please give a like and sub at the beginning, but we always forget and never do. And we're not really good at self promotion.  



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We don't want people to become addicted to the YouTube app or the algorithm, and that's kind of where it's like. We could put out shorts and then try to try to play the game the way they want us to play   and not still not get ahead. But we know that the power of human to human networking connection,   you know, if you like the thing, share it with someone and watch with them at the same time. It's probably the best way to do it. I'm sure we have watch parties   happen right now.  

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And if you're inclined,   you know, or you're willing,   we're on Odyssey and Bitchute   and also, you know, Rumble and Rockfin and stuff until Rockfin kicks me off.   Already kicked me off. I don't even know what happened. They kicked Ben off. They kicked Beth Martins off. They kicked Courtney Turner off. They kicked John Fitch off. They kicked Miriam Hanaein off.   And this is right after I was like, hey. You guys are tanking your platform. And then they're like, oh, we'll go ahead and kick off a bunch of content creators.   So I don't, you know, I don't know   if it's me,   but holy fuck. It looks like me.  



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It really, really because the next morning after you had that fight, I I opened up my phone and bet did not you know, after chores and all that, I opened up my phone and Beth Martin has a thing where they can. I was like,   oh my. Did Steve's did Steve fucking spark that powder keg? And then I look at mine. Yeah. Mine have.  

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I think so. I'm sorry,   you know, to all of the people that lost their Rockfin channel after I got in a public fight with Rockfin,   and they showed their whole fucking ass in front of everybody.   I'm sorry.  

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But we all knew it was coming. We We're supposed to get into fights on the show, Steve. Not get the show,   Not get kicked off of platforms.   Fights on the show. I know this is hard. This is confusing.  

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It is.   I'm a simple man with a simple brain,   and some of these things are beyond my capacity. I need you to clarify.  

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Need you to we need to put the lanes in here.  

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Anyway,   here the we were talking about central time, so this is where my head went.   And,   you know, for the people who aren't familiar with me,   if you say something, I'm going to have a song for it.   If you're not familiar with Poke Lafarge,   welcome.   But we were talking about central time.   Here's central time.  

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Life is the best. I don't mind the West Coast,   and I don't mind the East Coast.   Not bad.   Ain't gonna live on no cook. Take me back because I'm just a plain.   Don't get west before.   Well,   I'm   I won't worry if the world don't like it, man. I won't let him waste my time. No. There ain't nothing. I'm gonna change my mind.   I'm beat a fuck   because   Take me home. I wanna go back. I wanna go now.  

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I want that guitar so bad.   If anybody wants to,   through the value for value system,   send me,   you know,   1963   Gibson archtop.   I'll I'll take it. I will.   Not gonna complain. You guys are awesome. Thank you for hanging out. We will,   see you next Tuesday.   Yeah?  

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See you next Tuesday.  

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Take care, folks.