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Recorded live on Nov 19, 2024
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From Netflix Buffering to Boxing Stuffing
Elon Musk, WeChat, and the Future of Digital Communication
Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson: The Fight Beyond the Ring
Reparations, Social Media, and the Quest for Honest Dialogue
Legacy, Technology, and the Art of Debate



In this lively episode, we dive into a variety of topics, starting with our experiences in studio broadcasting and the technical aspects of signal flow for microphones. We then shift to discussing recent television shows, including a humorous attempt to recall the title of an HBO series related to Dune. The conversation takes an exciting turn as we engage with our live chat, welcoming familiar names and discussing upcoming releases and metaphysical topics.

We address the delay in our regularly scheduled debate on reparations due to unforeseen circumstances, and extend an open invitation to anyone interested in having a sincere conversation on the topic. The discussion then shifts to the controversial Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson fight, exploring the contractual stipulations and the broader implications of such events on sports and entertainment.

The conversation takes a deeper dive into societal issues, touching on the influence of social media, the role of technology in modern life, and the impact of large language models like ChatGPT. We explore the philosophical musings of Mike Tyson on legacy and the existential reflections that come with age.

As the episode progresses, we delve into political discussions, examining the influence of powerful figures and the implications of their actions on society. The debate heats up with a focus on Elon Musk's vision for a WeChat-like app in the West, sparking a spirited exchange on innovation, technology, and the future of digital communication.

We conclude with reflections on the nature of debates, the importance of open dialogue, and the value of diverse perspectives in understanding complex issues. Join us for a thought-provoking episode filled with humor, insight, and a touch of controversy.

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Hey, kids.   We're we're   we're live.  

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It's alive.  

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Refresh the page.   See that we are live.   Recording live to tape.   Talking about our studio broadcasting experiences and the signal flow to get the microphone to work.   Did you guys watch any television this week?  

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We did watch the,   Dune,   thing.   The Benny the the the HBO Benny Gesserit   doing thing.  

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Okay.  

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I can't recall what it's called.   Dune prophecy or some shit. I don't I don't know. The HBO property, Dune  

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prophecy.  

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I'm not I'm not seeing any of the people   I oh, machine lies,   is it?  

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Emily is here. Hello, Emily. Modern Old Soul is here. What's up?  

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Emily Moyer?  

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Yeah. In our chat.  

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Hey, Emily.   Yeah. Love you.   Hey, Laura.  

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So we fire  

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show   that,   Emily's gonna release in upcoming.   That was   super exciting, I think. It was a really excellent talk,   about the was a continuation of the element series,   and it led off into some more metaphysical   areas that are really,   good stuff   that we   working on time to the elements. So   it was fantastic.  

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Looking forward to seeing that Our regularly   scheduled debate program   is stalled due to inclement weather, or what is the reason for   not talking reparations   tonight?  

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Well,   according to the individual   that was supposed to talk to us   about reparations   tonight. I'm sorry. I I  

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No. That's fine. Just jump jump jump right in. We were off camera. 2 of the 2 of us anyways. So I mean Welcome to the stream, Steve. But,  

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Nico   has life shit he had to deal with.   I understand that. I've had life shit I've had to deal with.   I get it.   I ain't mad.   I I do think that it's,   shitty   that we're now, like, 3 weeks in a row   ducking this conversation.   So I would like to put forth to anyone watching right now   if you would like to have   a sincere,   honest,   genuine,   thought provoking,   fact based conversation   with us about   reparations   or anything that entails   around that,   please, please   hit us up   because we're here for that.   We're, you know,   just trying to,   put forth   ideas and conversation.  

We'll figure it out. We will.   But we're we're not   backing away from anything, and we're not trying to get out of   anything. We're in fact trying to make   sure that these conversations   take place   because I I think they're necessary   and important,   and people will,   walk away from them   enriched.  

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We were talking about the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight. Is that an example of black on white hate or white on black hate?   Was there any   was there any aspect of race or color   introduced into that conversation?  

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No. No, man. And that was   grifter   on grifter   fucking violence.   You kidding   me? Yeah. Okay.   The way that that contract   was   structured   in the first place,   going back to June,   Mike   couldn't   knock out Jake Paul in the 1st round or he wouldn't get paid.   Mike couldn't knock out Jake Paul in the 2nd round or he wouldn't get paid.   In fact,   the way the contract   was written   was that Mike had to go all 8 rounds.   It had to go to a decision,   and   the decision   had to go to Jake Paul.   Otherwise,   Mike didn't get paid.   So if your   58 year old Mike Tyson   and you know that you have a $20,000,000   payout   on the end of it,   as long as you don't   beat the ever loving tar   out of this 27   year old idiot.  

What are you gonna do?   I get $20,000,000   if   I duck,   bob, and weave,   and throw,   what,   16 total punches   for the entire night?   Because that's what he threw.   According to the judges,   16 punches  

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from I think I think he landed 16 punches. I don't think he threw 16. I think he land I don't think he threw very many. It was, like, 30 or something, but   30 or 40, but he I think it's 16 landed. 16 punches.  

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You're the best knockout artist   the whole entire world has ever known.  

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So so so   I mean,   let's be real about that, though.   This is part of where reality is crashing in on the bullshit   that so many people who have been living in TV land and and computer land   when they meet. This is where the rubber meets the road.   Mike Tyson is an old fucking man. It's all awesome to look really good in a training video for a second.   But to but then then when you go out and you get hit in the head, especially for a guy who's been hit in the head a whole, whole lot in his life. So he was definitely had had punch drunk sickness. Now to reexperiencing   that as an old man, the first time somebody hits you hard upside your head,   it's it's a bad situation   for anybody.  

Like,   I know that personally,   I was a hard ass when I was young. I did a lot of shit.   And I used to I joined the army when I was 17.   I used to get freaking drunk off my ass and sleep and sleep on the straight up on the cement, and you'd wake up, pop up, find the next day, and go out and run around.   Like,   now I also know that Christy and I just went to Flattoberfest,   and on a nice actual,   mattress from the store in the back of a truck set up like almost like glamping. It's not really glamping compared to what most people do, but,   you know, to me, it is. And   just, like, sleeping wrong for a night handicaps you for, like, you're limping around, like,   for 4 days.  

And I'm not in and Tyson's got 10 years on me.  

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I would like to,   and I think,   Alan.   Yes. I think this is you.   Is it me? Gets to pull this up.   Just this is   what the the whole fucking fight was.   What? You want me to hold my phone up? It was gross. It was a bad bad fight. Maybe it's Ben. I don't know, dude. Do I get a do oh, I can do that too. Alright. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. This is what the whole fucking fight was, Ben. The entire fucking thing.  

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Oh, that was the worst piece of crap I've ever seen. Oh my god. That was an abomination.  

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That was a dumbass.   My ass is actually sore. My ass is actually sore.  

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It was.   I don't disagree for even a second, but I know but I wouldn't have assumed   that a fucking 60 year old man could jump in with a 27 year old man and give it a and and throw him around and do well with it. Even Randy Couture,   who is, like, 40.   Oh, wait. Come on. They were like, this guy is way old. I can't believe this guy is still doing that dude was 40.   Not 60, 40. And you know how hard them neck them 10 year jumps are between  

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George Foreman. Wanna fight him 42 years old.  

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The the grill guy? George Foreman is a giant. Mike Tyson was a very small heavyweight  

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who had who had relied on 80 5,   dude. He's a fucking   refrigerator.  

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He's a very small heavyweight. Foreman's a giant dude. So I know George Foreman from selling the grill on television. I know Mike Tyson from a Punch Out video game. I think he came out in 1987.   Jake Paul   was not alive when Mike Tyson's first video game   was released.   It's such an excellent game too. Is still fighting. Do you think Jake Paul has got a long lasting   career   in boxing?  

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Dude, I saw that butter bean's trying to call him out like butter bean. Are you kidding me?   You're you're old you're you're at least as old as Tyson, and you you damn near died, dude. You you've got so fat. You had to go on this huge journey just to get hip surgery.   Do not fool yourself. You cannot jump in with a young man   that is dumb.   Like, this weird nostalgia thing where we act like the people that were legends   way back in the day.   Like, this is no different than when, Royce Gracie and Matt Hughes fought.   And Gracie, yeah, he took the fur he took what? 3 out of the first u f UFCs?  

Not as an old man.   Man, Hughes mopped the floor with him.  

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I didn't see the fight. I heard a lot of people talking about it and the significance of the viewership. They're saying, what, 60,000,000 or something. They were trying to throw some numbers together to say just how influential   and how widely viewed around the globe this fight was.   And then we were talking about the the buffering issue.   Was this streamed through Netflix?  

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Yeah. No. Netflix   said   we got this. We'll fucking handle it. We'll take care of it. And then all of the sudden   Mhmm.   Not even   remotely.  

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Was it a password issue? Was Netflix just checking everyone to make sure that they weren't sharing accounts?  

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No.   No. No. It was there there were   literally   60,000,000   plus people trying to access that shit   all at the fucking same time,   and Netflix had no answer for it.   And that's okay. It is. It it really is.   The   the thing that   the thing that I'll always fucking fall back on   is this. Right before   the entire fight took place,   Mike Tyson   gave an interview   to a teenager.  

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Oh,  

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was he wearing pants for this? But what about what about him not wearing pants for it?   This is what Mike Tyson   said   to the freaking   teenager.   Okay? I don't know. A teenager?  

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So he's If you return to the ring for this fight, you are setting a monumental opportunity for kids my age to see the legend, Mike Tyson, in the ring for the first time. So after such a successful career, what type of legacy would you like to leave behind when it's all said and done? Well, I don't know. I don't believe in the word legacy. I just think that's another word for ego.  

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Legacy doesn't mean nothing. That's just some word everybody grabbed on to. Someone said that word, and they won't grab on the words, and that was used every 5 seconds.   It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm just passing through. I'm a die, and it's gonna be over.   Who cares about legacy after that?   What a what a big eagle, so I'm a die. I want people to think that I'm this. I'm great. I'm not wearing nothing. Well, you're dead   with dust   with absolutely nothing.  

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Our legacy is nothing. Who's playing the piano? Well, thank you so much for sharing that. That is something that I have.  

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All I hear is the I don't know who is playing the piano. Piano. You don't really imagine? The live piano.  

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My legacy. Let's just   let's say John Legend is playing the piano. That was Elton John. Okay. That does make it better. Okay. Allen? Nelson John's playing the piano. Stevie wonder   Stevie wonder is playing the piano   for this. Alright? Will that make it any fucking different?  

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You're dead.   Why do you wanna play it? You think you might really want to think about you.  

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How how what's your dad's dad think? I want you to think about me when I'm gone. Who the fuck cares about me? We just wanna know who's playing the piano. Are they crediting the piano player? Because because, you know, we wanna reduce the ego and the legacy of Tyson by playing piano music over him while he's speaking and then not crediting the piano player who's probably more important   than some guy who's, you know, old and had a video game 30 years ago.  

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Can we check the Riz on that guy? To me to me, the whole thing is very symptomatic because now you look Jake Paul is now   claiming,   and all these kids are claiming he's the face of boxing.   And   you did nothing.   You you did nothing. It's all fake. Like, everything today is so full.   Like, you know, video gamers think they're warriors.   You you everybody's LARPers. They aren't even doing live LARPing hardly anymore. It's entirely LARPing from their homes. Like,   from their homes. Like and and that somehow makes them equivalent and gives them equivalent knowledge and things like that. You look at,   so many of the people that are doing shows anymore,   they aren't, like   6 years ago, 10 years ago, people doing shows   had either they had their own research or they had a connections and bring brought on   people that had their own research   and whatnot.  

Most of the shows now is just a cult of personality. There there's they aren't even relying on research, don't even know researchers.   They're just giving a take on some other show that somebody else did   from years ago at best   at best. And half those people, the show that they're watching, that dude probably didn't even do the research half the time. Like, we're so far from actual researchers. It's not even funny.  

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Yeah.  

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Why research when chat GPT and the large language models   have read every book   and have access to every book ever published through Google's   book scanning program. We were wondering why was Google buying every book,   cutting the spine off, and then scanning every page.   Well, now we kinda know what they're planning for. They   had the goal of building the large language model to have the largest large language model to have access to every published book available to them.   And then   they gave it to us to play with to see what questions we would ask it. And are we asking the deepest questions?   Are we trying to solve the mysteries of the universe   to do the research that we couldn't do because we didn't have access to the Vatican library that Google now seems to have? This  

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is really good. Tyson's such a weird dude.   Like, could you imagine saying that to a kid? I can't believe that that was even a teenager. I thought she was, like, 10 or 12 or something. I don't know. But, hey, guys, like,   wow. That's some wild stuff to say to a kid.   Real wild stuff to say to a kid.  

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You think that person's gonna deal with the issue of never interviewing someone bigger than Mike Tyson for the rest of her life?   She's maybe, you know, 17, 18 years old. She interviews   the largest celebrity of her life, and then after that,   anyone  

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else And he kinda tells her I don't and he fled and he and he hits her with complete,   oh, what do they call that?  

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You   know? Humbleness?  

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No.   Well, humbleness. Yeah. But, I mean, it's definitely a humility to it. But at the same time, he's having an existential   crisis   where, you know, it's   like he realizes he's gonna die, that it doesn't   anything he's done really doesn't matter. She could be just grand. These are the things that's going through his head, you know, that the the minute he's gone,   that nobody's gonna   be you know, nobody's gonna care about him anymore. He's like, he's going through an ex ex existential   crisis.  

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And she's just trying to get to the interview.  

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Yeah.   Well, and he he is at the end of his validity.   Yeah. You know, like,   he he was already too old for what he did. He was too old when he did it with Roy Jones junior. And that's the that's the thing other everybody's not talking about either. Right. Like, the Roy Jones junior fight from, like, 4 years ago, he didn't look good in that either.  

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I don't know Roy Jones junior. Does he have a video game? Has he been on the Wheaties box? In in my opinion, Roy Jones junior was the was the greatest of all time.   That dude that dude was a mad beast. My apologies to Ray Jones for not knowing who Ray Jones is. Does he have a barbecue sauce, like a hot sauce?  

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No. I don't know.  

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Well, then what's his importance?  

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Well, he he doesn't have to leave a legacy  

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on the Long long before  

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he he was on the matrix, motherfucker. He was a captain.  

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He was in the matrix movie?  

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Yes.   He's   because he's super famous. The guy long before Conor McGregor or any of these guys,   Roy Jones junior, I think,   held held the title in 3 or 4 different weight classes.  

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Mhmm.  

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The dude was just just a mad beast.   A mad beast. And the like,   he beat up everybody in his natural weight class.   Anybody that would come,   like, made him look silly, went up a weight class, did the same thing, went up a weight class, did the same thing. Like, he would literally go and lean back in the turnbuckle   and just put his arms up, and the guy would come in swinging, and he would just start ducking and dodging, then just whack, smack him.   Like, the guy had enough power that he he dropped   at least 1 fighter with a body blow, just a singular   straight body blow.  

Like, he was just insane   fast.   He didn't do great when he got up to heavyweight. He did win 1 heavyweight title. I think he didn't I think he   he lost the rest of them, though, maybe. Maybe he won more.   I don't follow sports that much, but,  

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no. That's okay. No apologies for not following the sports. I was in the Target store the other day and just looking at everything available just to see what is available   for me to purchase,   and they had a pack of baseball cards.   And I think it was, like, 36 baseball cards from 2024.   And I thought, well, I could buy this for maybe $8 and have a bunch of cards. And then if I were to open it and there was no Minnesota Twins players,   what would I do with the rest of the cards? And I don't have any friends to trade them with. So even if I were to buy a pack of baseball cards,   I would just be left wondering, well, what do I do with these now?  

I have baseball cards from 1993 that I still remember. I can vision envision them in my mind. I know exactly what they're guys would come and put them on eBay  

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and hope somebody buys them someday. The 2,000 the 2024  

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baseball cards?   They'll probably be rare because people   that's that's the report.  

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Yeah. That's the report?   That's the Alright. Project Cheney on her way in.  

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That's the report.  

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And, yeah, that poor girl did go through deep reflections about her life. Like, this fucking   guy that is in movies and has his own video games and was the world champion   and, you know, the youngest champion.   Like,   to hear him say things like that, that's that's gotta be like   she's thinking, you know, he's he's king of the world, and   and this was before the loss   that that, he gave that interview.   But he didn't even look like, when he when he was walking down the ring, he did not look fiery. He did not look good. He had a lamp.  

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Yeah.  

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Oh, I might have somebody.  

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So it's not elder abuse if you give them 1,000,000 of dollars?   Has there been any pushback   as to   the the event even happening to say that this should not have happened or this is dumb or if people just either not cared or   watched it because everybody else was watching it.   There was there were there were comparing it to the Super Bowl, a lot of commentators.   They were saying in terms of single   viewed events.   This was, like, Super Bowl level.   And the amount of advertising   and build up to this event have been   pretty big.  

I don't know if there are any other events on the calendar   that will be of equal size   in terms of watchability,   the audience, the viewership,   the Nielsen numbers.   I don't think the Dune HBO show   is gonna get the same amount of viewers.  

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And all you gotta do   is get Jake Paul   to fight an elderly   individual   who's made of his name   in the fight scene.  

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So how how long was Jake Paul?  

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To make sure that it favors Jake Paul. And then   you have a 120,000,000   people glued in   no matter what.  

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So, you you know, Sam Hyde? I don't know if you know him personally, but there's a guy Sam Hyde. The guy by the name of Sam Hyde, wasn't he also fighting? So now Sam Hyde,   go and face   Jake Paul. Get a Sam Hyde, Jake Paul ticket going. You know, throw PewDiePie in there.   See what happens.   Is it really the names that are attracting people?   Or is it just f athleticism?   The training?  

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Was Jake Nobody knows who the fuck Sam Hyde is outside of us.   It's probably true. Like, that's that's a niche name.   If you're gonna be like,   oh, I'll fight Sam Hyde.   No. I got I got, Mike. I'm gonna fight Mike Tyson.  

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Sure. A lot of people care. Well, Sam Hunt was doing a candy man check. 92%  

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of the bets, Marcus,   went to   Mike Tyson.   If you bet on Jake Paul Mhmm. For that fight, you got paid fat.   You really did.   I can't imagine   a scenario   where people close to Mike Tyson   didn't bet on Jake Paul.  

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How old do you gotta be to to place a legal sports bet? Is it 18 or 21? 18.   K. There it is.   And I I was seeing a lot of sports betting advertisement.  

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In a casino,   but you can legally make a sports bet at 18. On online  

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Mhmm. Through your smartphone.   Pharmaceutical   drugs, sports betting, insurance.   These guys are the are the ones supporting   broadcast media.  

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Yeah. I don't know why you wouldn't have bet on Jake Paul, though.  

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I really haven't I haven't opened a sports betting account yet, and we don't have a sponsor through a sports betting agent. You didn't bet on Jake Paul. You are half retarded.  

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Like, he is 60 years old.   Like,   come on. I am in   way better shape than   the vast majority of the people my age. All the people I went to high school with, I just went home and saw most of them. And I promise you, I cannot do what I did when I was in my twenties   at all. Like, and and and the things I do, like,   there's a reason that I have the other guys go down and load hay,   unload the hay. Because if I go do it, yeah, I can still do it. Sure.   And now I need to go take an old man nap. And when I get up, have my wife rub some stuffs on my back.   And,   like,   I'm not gonna do much else today because I did too much heavy lifting today.  



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Yeah.  

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Why would you   why would you bet okay.   And look, dude. I'll grant.   I really will.   I'll grant   that nostalgia   had a huge part to play.   I mean, the people that are like, yeah, dude. Of course,   Mike Tyson   is gonna walk in there and knock out Jake Paul.   That's not what the Jake Paul fights   have dictated.   We we actually   have history   that we could draw off of   and be like, oh, every time Jake Paul gets in the ring, he wins.   It's   totally fucking rigged to make sure that he wins.   The contracts   are rigged   to make sure   that he wins, but we're all gonna fucking pretend.  

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So how can sports betting exist in a world where contracts   stipulate   how many   hits   and punches and rounds you go?  

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Because people don't care.   I  

[00:30:04] Unknown:

don't know, dude. Is that is that in the fine print when you register a bet? You put a bet down with a bookie, and the fine print says, well, you know what? You're not you're not betting on   an athletic   event. You're betting on a entertainment event.   So it might as well be, like,   you know, the end of the movie, but then the movie's gonna show again and you bet based off of how you think the movie's gonna end, will it end differently? Now if you're betting against a movie like Clue where there's 4 different endings,   that might be exciting.  



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I think that if you   gave people   the opportunity   to bet on a different ending,   there would have been a different ending to misery.   Okay?  

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Uh-huh. So is this a political show? Like, it's some point  

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Homeboy would have   dodged   and been like, you know what, Kathy Bates?   You're a fucking slow fat bitch.   In fact, I can probably take you.  

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Yeah.   So is this a political show? I I've I've been to some debates recently where they didn't wanna talk all the text. Cheney's Cheney's setting up,  

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and then,   Stepfire, one of the guys that I think is smarter that I've   talked to. He doesn't ever come on camera that I've seen,   but he's definitely one of the more well thought out voices. So he said he can he's putting his kids to bed right now, and then he's coming in. So we can Okay.   Do a nice little couple hour panel. Yeah. I'll wake up then.  

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I'm good.   Put a cup of coffee into your face and drink it.  

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We'll let the chat throw out some things if they wanna   hear hear any specific things discussed or debated,   whether Mike Tyson is too fucking old and and flaccid to   jump in the ring with a 27 year old buck. You know? I I, you know, I I don't know if that needs to be rehashed or not. I think that's probably we're   good on that probably, I would think.  

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Well,   again, there's been some,   you know,   political stuff that's happened in the news   recently. And if people were placing bets for a blue color   or a red color or a green color, I don't know  

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how people are coping with that. Are you gonna try and poop on the Trumpy party?  

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Well,   no. I I was wondering   was there a popular vote? Have have all the votes been counted?  

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No.   They are still   counting in a bunch of   swingy areas.   Steve would be the best one to to   give out the information on this. So   wait for him to come back.   So we won't know who the president is until they install a press. I do. If they if they, yeah, I know. Get Cheney on it. Right? Mhmm. They,   we love Cheney.   If they if they try and overturn this and cheat it away again,   I hoofed,   do I hear the fucking do I hear the fucking,   the   you know?  

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The sound of the rug burning  

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as it's being pulled out from beneath your feet? Like, I I don't know that,   that the republic survives that. Well,  

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the other   thing that has been discussed is the, the Yuri Ben's Benzanoff guy,   that Russian guy talking about Oh, Yuri.   Yeah. Yuri.   So, you know, the USSR,   Soviet Union, and now what is it called? Russia?  

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Well, the Soviet Union got broke apart. It's Russia now. Yeah. Okay.  

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Do we need to pull up some Yuri  

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and and show people? Could have some standing by, certainly.   As far as a debate topic goes, you know, the   topic could be something along the lines of social media being the battlegrounds   for  

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I, controversial  

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warfare. Agree with what Coherence could you highlight,   Coherence's   second comment?   Oh, for sure. And 3rd, those I I I agree   wholeheartedly.  

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Personally,  

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I realize that I come off very conservative.   And so a lot of people would automatically   put point put me on the conservative thing.   Like, for starts,   everybody needs to remember I'm actually served in the army and Trump is a actual draft dodger.   And in   in in no world can you convince me that it's okay for a draft dodger to tell a soldier to go die   and be commander in chief of the army. The the the the in in zero worlds am I gonna ever ever so, I mean, that's without anything else.   I I haven't even looked that's without even looking at the politics, which I can say a whole bunch of other things   about it.  

But,   to another thing that immediately for me would be a disqualifier   for cert for serving in any kind of a political position   is dual citizenship.   If you are a citizen of another country,   no. You cannot   be part of our political process and government procedure.   No.   Absolutely   not. I don't care if it's Canada. I don't care if it's Mexico. I don't care if it's Finland. I don't care what country it is. And and, magically, there's only one country that we have dual citizens   in our government with, and that's Israel.  

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If,   if if you guys need   some of this   underscored   for you, don't let Ben tell you, don't let me tell you, don't let Alan tell you that let's let Greg Reese from infowars.com   tell you. Let's do that.   That's  

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weird to me. I'm watching a great news video right now.  

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Trump has chosen big pharma's Susie Wiles for chief of staff, and she appears to be Trump's handler. In charge of Trump's campaign and his pack, arguably his closest adviser, when I asked my friends who are close to Trump, they say you don't get a meeting without Trump unless she's in the room. You don't get a phone call unless she's in the room. She's omnipresent.  

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Elon Musk has been exposed   by several reporters   to be a fraud and a government front man. Nobody has ever debunked this. And now we are told that he will be fixing the government.  

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I mean, my top recommendation honestly would be just to have a carbon tax. That seems so reasonable.   Yeah. I I agree. There's just one thing that would matter, put a price on carbon.  

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That would be the best option. For sure. Chodorov.  

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Such a douche, you know. It seems like it'd be such a good idea.  

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So far, the cabinet picks are painting a clear picture of where this is all heading   for UN ambassador   Elise Stefanik,   who has received $917,000   from the Israel lobby.  

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Today, this means crushing antisemitism   at home and supplying the state of Israel with what it needs, when it needs it without conditions  

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to achieve total victory in the face of evil. For Secretary of State Senator Marco Rubio, who has received $1,000,000   from the Israel lobby.  

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Some? I'm a soldier.  

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Are you filming it? Wait. I want you guys to get this. I want them to destroy every element of Hamas they can get their hands on. These people are vicious animals who did horrifying crimes,   and I hope you guys post that. And what about the civilians   that are being killed every day? Hamas is stop hiding behind civilians, putting civilians in the way. Hamas knew that this was gonna lead to this. Hamas has stopped building their military installations underneath hospital. So you don't care that 15,000   have died. You don't care about the babies that are being able to breathe. I'm terrible. I'm terrible. I'm terrible. I think it's good for them to come out as a 100%. I hate you. That's what I think. Make sure you post that, please. For the EPA, Lee Zeldin who has received  

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$916,000  

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from the Israel lobby. You should not be coddling the largest state sponsor of terrorism   who calls   the United States the great Satan. They call Israel the little Satan. They chant death to America.   They develop intercontinental   ballistic missiles, ICBM's   intercontinental.   That's not meant for Israel. That's meant for us.  

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For national security adviser, representative   Mike Waltz, who has received $235,000  

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from the Israel lobby. I think at this point, the only thing that is going to stop the supreme leader from his nuclear obsession   is a very credible   use and threat  

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of military force. For the secretary of homeland security,   South Dakota governor Kristi Noem, who serves to ensure the security   of god's chosen people and who signed a bill to conflate criticism of Israel with anti semitism.   For the US ambassador to Israel, former governor Mike Huckabee, who says Palestinians  

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don't exist. What happens   next?   It's about the end times. And quite frankly, some of us think we may just be living in them. So, Max Lucado, so good to see you. Thanks for joining us, and   welcome as we talk about the end of the world.   Well, governor, I wouldn't be anywhere else. I'm supremely honored to have these moments with you. And, yes, I do believe we're not just in the end times.   We're in the end of the end times. It's moving fast. To the CIA,  

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John Ratcliffe.  

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What Israel has done is essentially   employ   the Trump doctrine, a pressure maximum pressure campaign, understanding that the only way to deter,   terrorists like Iran and their proxies is to put your foot,   on on their throat. And Israel has done that. We should be assisting Israel in doing so. For secretary of defense, Fox News personality,  

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Pete Hegseth.  

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Anyone that wants to take the stage   and talk about dual loyalty   is dead wrong.   What this organization   represents, what Western civilization   represents today   is under an understanding   that Zionism   and Americanism   are the front lines of Western civilization and freedom in our world today.  

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For the senate majority leader, John Thune, who has received   $460,000 from the Israel lobby. Not responding,  

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is is not an option either. I mean, you have the the the animating force behind the evil in that region is Iran. And for US president  

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Donald Trump who received $100,000,000   from Zionist   Miriam Adelson.  

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Iran is not there for us. They wanna kill us. And the Palestinians   are taught to kill us at  

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These are the people in your neighborhood.   They're  

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the people that you meet. So the the new debate topic that I get out of that When you're walking down the street?  

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Christy Noem burnt her any kind of any kind of following she had in South Dakota to get that position.   She like, literally,   the people of South Dakota put up a referendum,   got it put up to the state vote,   overwhelmingly   voted it in. She vetoed it. And the and the year and the the election cycle before that,   we the people put it in and passed it and put it in to put up for a vote. The attorney general threw all the signatures in the garbage and then said he and then admitted in court that he did it. Like,   I threw them fucking things away.  

And she and she just straight vetoed it and then said,   that her officers,   she vetoed she vetoed also,   hemp and said her officers weren't trained to know the difference between hemp and cannabis.   So they couldn't do hemp commercial hemp in South Dakota   where it just grows   to, like, mad everywhere. Like, they have to fight hard to keep the hemp down.  

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You got that World War 2 ditch weed just like Florida   does, just like North Dakota does. Yep. All over the place. Everywhere. Massive.   Hemp for victory.   Forest  

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of hemp.   Forest   of hemp.   Yep. And they go in and they actively fight it, and and they have to every year. You always every year also, there's, like, at least 2 or 3 kids that get busted   for going and trying to pick it and dry it.   Like, how's that was gonna do is give you a headache anyways, bro. I don't know. You you probably saved you some time.   Is Brian outside?  

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So the only problem I have with women Greg, you're gonna have to go fucking riot  

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because Nate Biles is fucking scared of us. That's what I fucking heard. Steve's trying to give him some fucking some kind of fucking pussy pass. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.   You know what? There were some mountain ass well res   some well re researched mountain ass boys.   I can't go in there trying to beg some money and plea around and make a case like some kind of little whiny girl. That's what I heard.   And so he bailed. 3 weeks. 2 weeks in a row.  

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3 weeks. 3 weeks in a row. Because we we have to include   the,   election day Tuesday.   Oh, yes. No, man. We'll fucking we'll we'll go ahead and and discard that. It's okay.   I know we had you booked. I know we were gonna do this, but it's election day. It's alright.   We'll kick it back a week. And then it got kicked back another week. So that's 3 weeks in a row. Wait a second. Is is kickback another word for reparations?   Do we No. Because a kickback   is different from reparations.   Reparations   is apparently   money owed. A kickback is what   you get paid   for being   the   enforcement   entity  

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in any given situation. This is why we need to have the conversation because I don't know what any of this means. So I need an education.   I'm being deprived of an education right now. Yo, dude. Let me let me fucking alright.  

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I wanna make this   perfectly clear.   Nico House,   the person who has ducked us from a debate for the last 3 weeks   is one of the reasons   that I have an Internet presence at all. I   love Nico House.   I do. That's my dude.   I'll fucking   I will throw elbows   first   for that guy. I will.   I will right now.   But I I will.   That doesn't mean   that he's not kind of being a pussy ass motherfucker right now.   Chicken shit.   And   and that's okay. That's okay.   Occasionally, you get to be a pussy ass motherfucker   every once in a while. He's got a couple of legitimate reasons for doing it. I'm not trying to put his business out there, so I'm not gonna talk about it. He's got a couple of legitimate reasons   for ducking   tonight.  

He doesn't have any legitimate reasons for ducking last night   and the legitimate reasons that he has for ducking tonight, he could have fucking taken care of. He could have. He could have.  

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I I I wouldn't wanna come begging in front of the in front of us either.  

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It's weird, dude. It's really weird.   You're you're a fucking   you're an alpaca farmer   who lives on   fucking   murder mountain in Humboldt County. Ain't nobody coming near you. Ain't nobody trying to fucking start shit with you. You   for all intents and purposes,   you're   a a goose down manufacturer.   You are. Alright?   We don't need to get into your business. Marcus,   I don't know what you do, but I'm assuming   that that,   we use   your ancient manuscripts   Yeah. Out of goat skin   for people who ask for them. Vellum.   Yeah. Vellum. Yep. You're a vellum   procurer.  

Mhmm. Yeah. Yep.   I tell dick jokes   on the Internet   for a living.   We all know that.  

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Cheney and Scrotum, like like Dick Cheney?  

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Why the fuck would you be afraid of any of these people?   Why would you?   You got a fucking   goose wrangler,   a vellum manufacturer,   and a dick joke procure.   What the fuck?   What the fuck, dude? How are we intimidating? Owned.   How the fuck, dude?   You gotta   I know for a fucking fact   that Ben   named one of his ducks,   Bernie Sanders,   because Bernie Sanders, the duck,   really looked and acted like Bernie Sanders.   That's   someone you need to be afraid of?   Really?   Kinda dodge that debate.  

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Constantly walking around begging me for stuff.   We got we got some new Bernie Sanders ducks too. I got 2 of them.  

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I like Bernie's my Bernie Sanders ducks. Trying to tell you about the the deficit?  

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Yeah. They tried to convert me to socialism.   They told me it was democratic socialism.  

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Oh, okay.   Are there other forms of socialism?  

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Yes. Because in in order for there to be democratic   socialism,   there has to be a a transmogrification   of the the effectual,   the bottom payment of the federal government.  

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They they they said something about I should have vote, went, and voted. All we're really trying to do is rob   you. Yeah.   They said something about I should've voted, went and voted for Kamala, but now that Trump won that they that they're they the Democrats were doing things all wrong, and you shouldn't have anything to do with that party.  

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Holy shit. It's Cheney.  

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Hi, guys.   Hey.   How are you?  

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I'm alright. I am learning words tonight. Making fun of colored people asking for reparations.  

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Oh, that's why you invited me. Yeah.   Let's invite our favorite racist lesbian to join in. Well, I would  

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like to thank you for being the,   the official black female for the panel tonight. Thanks, James.  

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I I've removed all saturation   from my screens, so it's just shades of gray   for this debate.   That's been 3 weeks   ducked and avoided and   excuses are made.   So we called you up.  

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Oh. We wanted to talk to you anyways. I missed you, Chaney. I don't know. I can't guys. You have to come hang out. We've I've just been so stinking busy. I it always feels so weird asking people such on the fly short notice   and especially that late at night. So,  

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yeah, it's Well, fortunately, we don't have any of that   sort of sense of propriety.   So we're gonna ask you.  

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Well, no. I I that's usually how it rolls. I just I knew you guys were taking a little bit of a break. Like, I hadn't seen you guys as much. So I was like, you know what? Maybe they're just taking an entire break. And so I didn't wanna, like and then I was thinking with you know, Ben   shouted out at me yesterday. I'm like, yeah. Of course. And then, I was thinking about Alan Marcus randomly today and that I was just like, oh, I need to have all those guys back on to the secret society of good guys. I missed the shit out of them, and we need to hang out sometimes, not on camera.  

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Mhmm. Well, I got stuck I got stuck,   the road trip to Flattoberfest   and back. As per usual, I had to make sure to make a complete spectacle out of it and and get broke down and,   you know, go through a hurricane and the whole 9 yards. Yeah.   So we had we had to do the full show, so I was gone for, like, oh, little over 5 weeks. And so that's part of why that happened.  

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Oh, well, energetically,   it's perfect. Like, today,   I think is the first day of, like, Pluto being an Aquarius for the next 27 years.   And Aquarius rules, like, energy and technology   and Pluto usually represents death, but also   in, you know, anything with alchemy. To have a rebirth, you have to have the fertilizer of death. So it we do seemingly seem like we're up against   a new   energy   technology   age.  

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Pluto was a dog, so we'll allow that topic.  

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We allow all dog talk.  

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You know,   as as   non   nonsensical   as that seems,   I agree with you a 100%.   Chaney,   just because   I I've watched   the buildup   of the technocratic   state   over the last several years.   And I've watched people like David Sachs   and,   Peter Thiel   and Elon Musk   position themselves   into positions of   realistic   as opposed to perceived   positions of power.   And now we effectively   have   the PayPal mafia   that is going to take complete control of the White House.   And we've got,   their, I I guess, scholarship   awardees   with JD Vance   and with Palmer Lucky   and,   a number of other people   who are positioning themselves to do   the,   unit 82100   border wall   and to do   effectively   real time monitoring   of   all of our social media.  

And we found ourselves in a very   weird little position   where,   the the persons   that have been positioned to be our saviors   are the ones who are guaranteeing   to build   our digital prison.   It's kinda weird.  

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I   kind of like some of the blockchain aspects   that everybody kinda has this anonymous idea of a blockchain.   But if I know your wallet number, I can follow it, and I know everything that's going on in your wallet.   So it sucks on one hand for my anonymity,   but it's amazing on the idea of, like,   making the Department of Defense be on a blockchain,   and we all can actually see where all of our fucking tax dollars are going. Is there,  

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a a certainty   that that's going to take place, that there's gonna be a DOD blockchain?  

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Where we can actually track that? That's everything that I am under even   with   the digital currency.   Every country that's always been under a fed   always kinda has to rely on the weight of the fed and what they say their country's dollars worth.   But if your,   you know, natural resource was limes,   and maybe mine was petrol,   How many limes does it take to buy a gallon of petrol?   It depends on the actual amount of petrol, and is it a finite resource, which we don't think it is. So then it gets into these whole other   conversations   of what energy's worth, and then   what if you have a bad crop, so it's harder to get limes this year?  

All of that stuff has to be put on a blockchain,   in my opinion,   for the people,   like in the way Alaska gets paid out.   For the people of a country to really get paid and not get fleeced,   they need to be on a blockchain. Not us.   Them.   Them. If we pay 1¢ of tax and if it's broken up into 67 pieces,   we should get an itemized receipt of exactly   what happened with that money.   And in real time,   like if the department of defense drops blank amount of Bitcoin, Dogecoin, XRP,   we need to see it in real time.   And so   that is what I'm trying to be glittery red pilled about.  

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Is that that kind of stuff does have to happen.   Is that being red pilled or is that being opium filled?  

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No. There's all the talks actually,   going on for it. And if you look at the court case of the XRP ripple that just went through, I don't technically   know all of it that well, but even energy wise,   Bitcoin   takes a ton of energy to trade. Yeah. And you know what took more energy to trade?   You having a dollar bill in your hand. And so   if they, the like evil day, whatever   they need, they want less and less energy   spent on us doing currency and transactions   between each other. So Bitcoin   technology   wise   and energy wise, isn't a sufficient medium.   So they needed other chains   to put it on. But the United States is also talking about, like, in there   well, this is just stuff being talked about with the new cabinet coming in.  

Fort Knox has to be audited.   And in the auditing of Fort Knox, because we know all of our tax dollars, where the fuck are they going?   They talk about doing a digital part that they want to go into like a Bitcoin   and buy up 2% of the Bitcoin.   So they also have a digital Fort Knox.   So that, that way it can't, they can't pull the rug   on an actual currency.   Like, they wouldn't be allowed like, now it would always have a floor.   And so there is some things and there's so many other ones. But I mean, just all the talks with   RFK   and Elon, and I don't I'm still the person that I cannot believe this Elon is the same Elon with the big torso on the boat with that guy. Like, do you guys remember that? Like, he had this huge it it wasn't a weight thing. How do you lose weight in your ribs?  

Like, it was like   a weird No.  

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The   the entire reason there's a cyber truck is based solely around   Elon Musk's torso.   I I have proof.   I do.  

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I'll show you. I just I'm like, I don't even think that's the same dude as this thin built guy that jumped on stage next to Trump. Not the same dude. Here's the other thing. Seen. All must have talked about. It doesn't it it doesn't matter, like, black pill, red pill, blue pill, whatever the pills. No pills. No one believes that's the same Biden we grew up with.   Not one person. It doesn't matter. No one believes it. No one even thinks that, like, that Hillary is the same Hillary as the one we   saw. Like, everybody there's these certain people   that they seem like they were traded out.  

And so   under the assumption   is, like, up,   like, in a simple term, like, in a black white term of it all. And that that's the part they'll record, and they'll be like, see, she's a Mason   in the black white of it all.   See, I forgot what I was gonna say. I said Mason and it gave me a That's the blockchain.  

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Blockchains   are blocks. Blocks are generally made of concrete. Concrete is laid by Mason. So it's all goes back to masonry and building foundations and   this type of thing. I wanna push back on this statement of, you know,   Bitcoin is wasting energy. Bitcoin   wastes energy.   These nerds who developed   the code   would probably know   what, energy would be required to   mine.   So they're running complex   algorithms to   decide   computational numbers stuff, whatever.   Has there ever been proof or evidence that all of that,   Bitcoin minting of the Bitcoin, the mining,   the process of using computers to   run the CPUs and GPU cycles,   was that   creating large language models? Was it breaking encryption? What was the computing power actually doing?  

Most people say it's wasted energy,   and it didn't do anything but meant to Bitcoin.   I don't think that technology people would just   run random numbers   conflicting against random numbers to decide what random number is gonna win the random number battle.  

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Well, they probably take energy out of it too, but whatever the consumption is   on, if you were to plug it into a wall and just mine Bitcoin,  

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is that just cloud computing?  

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It just,   even if you are on your phone   in doing crypto,   your battery will go.   It's like kind of insane.   Right. And so I agree with you. I don't think it's just about them putting money in my bank account or your It's wasting my energy. It's wasting your energy,  

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but the energy has gotta be doing something more than I agree. Nonsense.  

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And so in a weird way, it seems like the transactions that were happening,   the war on the computer, whatever the last let's say the nineties.   Now it's just, like, amped up to however many it's like like pulling a slot machine   versus pressing a button of a slot machine. Sure.   They're getting something at it. I'm with you on that. Like, it's more than just just the money. Like, I don't know what the energy is doing. It's probably all a front   for them absorbing the energy and using it somewhere else.  

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What I don't get is how   it it   according to the polls,   the number one thing that   was   a deciding factor or important for people was freedom of speech and democracy.   And then they   all go for Elon Musk, and he suddenly become a hero.   And PayPal was the only people was the only company that I know of, major financial company,   that immediately   implemented social credits the social credit system where   if you did or said something they didn't like   in social media, they could just take your money and hold it. And they legit put that in. And and,   when that happened,   there was a lot of,   like, Freeman Fly took a giant hit because he had so many of his people were coming straight out of PayPal.  

His subs were going straight out of PayPal.   Well, all kinds of people shut their PayPal account, you know, especially in the cons in the more,   conspiracy minded world where they actually pay attention to shit like that.   And so the company that   very first went after in a real financial way,   normal people's,   finances   for things that they say is the guy you guys are gonna uphold for this, the your   freedom of speech guy.  

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Yeah. I don't know if he has any necessarily   cabinet or anything with freedom of speech. I think the only thing being talked about for Elon is,   cutting the fat on the government.   Like, keeping the economy ready of it.   So  

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yeah. I think fat created equally?  

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Sometimes I don't know. It seems like if you follow his account,   every single   the amount of  

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financials What's being promised from Elon is the expansion   of government.  

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No. I don't think he promised anything yet. He's just put up a whole bunch of What Elon has said is I'm going to be a part of an entirely  

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brand new   government agency   that expands   the scope,   reach,   and aspect of government called Doge.   Mhmm.   And that's what Elon has promised.   And Doge means   duplicitous   oligarchs   grifting   everyone.   Yes. That's what Doge means.   What Elon Musk means? When Elon Musk was like, what's the guy who is a defense contractor,   who has promised   to take   spyware   into every single home,   not just in America,   but throughout the known world.   The guy who has promised   to infiltrate   the very most intimate aspects of your life has said, I'm also going to be a part   of making sure   that   what agencies   we deem, not you deem,   Cheney,   but we deem   inefficient   will be replaced   by   AI. Steve. And we're going to go ahead   and bring you into this   new world order.  

It is going to be Backstage.   Backstage,   dude.  

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Go ahead, Ben. No. This is this is fire. This is what we're aiming for on the show to to get really heated.  

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But but, yeah, everyone has promised to   take us and   transition   us.  

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There's a guy backstage.  

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The plebeians   that we are   into,   modified   plebeians   that have a brain chip   because he's the brain chip guy.   We know that. You can't deny that.   And he has promised   to make sure   that there is going to be a   beneficent   overlord   entity   that goes ahead and takes care of you because you, as a feeble human,   aren't capable   of doing that for yourself. You need   Cheney. You   need   not just government,   but you need AI government   in order to be able to act right. Otherwise,   you might act wrong. And if you acted wrong, well, then you would have to be punished. You don't wanna be punished. Do you?   I was punished by watching Elon Musk on SNL. Stage  

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like our guest,   Sapphire. You should let him in the show.   There we go.  

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Hello. Hello. Good. Fired up by Elon Musk. Good guy or goodest guy or worst evil of all time. I don't know.   Elon Musk on SNL, how many years ago was it Mother's Day? He had his Maye Musk mother   announce the world that his   his,   his issue was he was on the spectrum somewhere.   So that was announced publicly. And then on weekend update on SNL,   when Elon Musk describes Dogecoin,   d o g e, as being a hustle, he continues to hustle, d o g e. And then, you know, if you just flip it and reverse it, e g o d d o g e e g o d. That's e god. So Elon Musk is being the godfather   of Dogecoin,   electronic   god   in a comedy show.  

And now   we haven't laughed him off the stage yet,   and now he's doing his thing.   The joke has gone too far or not far enough.  

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Welcome, Stepfire.  

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Welcome, Stepfire.  

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Howdy. Howdy. Sorry. I've the my little one is not ready to go to sleep yet, so I gotta stay muted.  

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We we we understand that, brother. Respectable. I'm on mute a lot also, but I'm a grandparent now to,   my 8th grandkid just yesterday.  

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Congratulations.   Thank you. Thank you. Heck yeah, man.  

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Yeah. I had a little granddaughter,   number 8 now.   But other than that, it's just ginger?   This one didn't appear to be ginger, but,   it didn't come out immediately with the flaming red hair. There's still time for that. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's it it it it it can come.   It's also not not red.  

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It's not not red.  

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Double negative   makes it a redhead.  

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Yeah.   The the the the Northern European will come out in that child.  

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Trying to be aware of logic traps   and deduction.  

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Oh, man. You should've seen my my other granddaughter, the old the it was my youngest granddaughter.   Oh, she's such a little fireball.   She is that one is something else.   The one who made me, the the   or whatever people. You know who I'm talking about, Jamie.   The fashion people that put up the the   the ad with little kid  

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looked too much like my granddaughter. Tiago.  

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Yeah. Made me lose my shit for a minute.   It started frothing a little bit.  

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So Hugo Boss created some legendary   outfits certain group of people. Does Trump have fashion designers on board?  

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I don't know. He doesn't seem to hang out with a lot of the fashion designers. They all seem to hate Trump.  

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So is he gonna get Chinese branded   outfits?   I don't know. Like, who's dressing our military?  

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I don't know who's doing it now. I don't know where they're made.  

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We don't have to debate   politics, Stepfire, or Cheney. It was just that's where it started out. Marcus  

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brought us here. We don't gotta go there at all. I asked if this was a political show, and no one said yes or no. So we just want I'm willing to go wherever the Todd takes me. I don't know if there's guardrails on tonight.  

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Well, what what what a political affiliation   are you, sir?  

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I mean, I'm a I'm a conservative,   so I tend to vote Republican. But, you know, as soon as the Republicans go off their shit, you know, we'll be on to the next thing. You know, it's a suck. So  

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Do you have any topics near and dear to your heart that you like to defend?   Well, it wouldn't be a political  

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Any topic. Any anything you know enough about to be able to to wrestle with. I didn't even I just was saying what I've heard about Elon Musk. I don't think I brought up Elon or even knew I was supposed to take the side of being the Elon defender.  

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Yeah. It didn't appear that way. Steve was Steve was firing with that, though. He had that one in the cannon from earlier, so he had blue balls real bad. It's not your fault.   Steve had Steve had to unleash it somewhere, and you were just the lucky bukkake that got it.  

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It's usual.  

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Yeah. Yeah. He he went on a different He's kinda ready for it. He he shows up in this debate.   Like, the dude literally had been on on streaming for, like, 49 hours and 50 minutes straight or something.   Steve rolls in, and he's like,   we gonna get serious now, boys. And he goes in there and starts hitting them with the heavy punches.   And those guys all none of them had the background information to go where Steve goes.   And they their response is after 50 hours of not sleeping was just pretty much delirious laughter.   And Steve's   diet was dying to unload this, and he had a video clip and everything, and they wouldn't let him play it or nothing. And Steve's like,   somebody's gonna get this. And Cheney's like, Elon Musk. And Steve's like, fuck it.  



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I didn't even bring up Elon Musk. I didn't even bring him up.  

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I mean,   I like Elon.  

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I I think he's the the real life Tony Stark. Dean, you just came into And and what I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry, You guy. I don't I don't   I'd my my kid just called me.   I I apologize.  

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I like dad doing dad stuff. No. No worries.  

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Step fired. I I apologize. Fire and What   what about   And then holding his kitten. What about Elon Musk gives you He's looking loving me in my eyes.  

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Well, I mean,   who else could you possibly compare   to Tony Stark in the real world   except the man that's revolutionized   the electric vehicle market   that's launching  

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rockets into space. Okay. Tell me about tell me specifically   about the   That was awesome.   Tell me what tell me straight laugh afterwards. You gotta hold. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Let's do it 1 at a time. 1 at a time. What about the electrical   vehicle market   has given you hope as a over   the internal combustion   engine. Have you seen,   like, legitimate proof of work   that that this is the the way forward?  

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Innovation?  

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Well well, specifically,   the EV market   as put forward   by Elon Musk since that's what we're talking about.  

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I'm not, I'm not sure if I understand exactly how you're,   coming  

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Well, you just you just you you just said Elon Musk and the EV market is why you like Elon Musk. So I'm curious as to  

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Oh, wait. I'm well, I just meant the, innovation,   the technological innovation. He is, like, at the forefront  

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of Of going where technology is going. With the going 40 miles and needing a charge.  

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I mean Yeah. I think it's like 240,   but yeah. Sure.  

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Well, I I mean, when you average it out over actual EV owners, they they get about 45 miles to a charge.  

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Okay.   I mean,   that's  

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Which is We watched it drive around. About,   a little bit less than one way   from where people need to go to commute.  

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Yeah. I don't know how the how you're coming to that  

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the 40 mile per charge because Josh, I I have to I have to bring you we want to know before you would make that argument.  

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I mean, I would have to presume that the 240 miles   is under absolute ideal conditions, which is gonna include   temperature,   inclination,   you know,   driving at a certain speed, not stop and go driving,   where   any of these people that are doing normal everyday driving like we all Highway versus city is what you're saying, basically. You know? But, yeah, they're driving a lot of times in the city,   on electric batteries. See, I I actually live off grid, so I live off of a battery bank.   And,   the temperature   vastly   affects   the the voltage in those battery banks. So I'm assuming   that,   they've what Steve is giving is more of what they're actually experiencing.  

And, also, that 240, I'm presuming   is a brand spanking ass new battery.   And in reality, again, somebody that lives off of batteries,   that   number that they quote you right when you first get them, that doesn't really last very long. It's,   you know, if you got that for getting that out of it for 6 months, you're you're you're doing real good.  

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Well, I mean,   the my only point I'm not, like, a tree hugger or I'm so excited to to get rid of the combustion engine. I don't think you can, the engine. I don't think you can. It it's, like, kind of a part of our society. I mean, maybe one day, we we get a hydrogen engine that we can just plug in anywhere we want to that's way more efficient. You know? Because we just go the way of efficiency. Hydrogen engines is the fucking future. There's no doubt.  

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Yeah.  

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And then there'll be something after that. You know? But that's still a combustion engine. That's not an electric engine. That's a combustion engine.   You're just talking about a much cleaner combustion,   you know, that's the combustion of hydrogens,   produces water.   And   so   it's not a big deal.  

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So I I quickly   quickly,   I I would like to,   I would like to,   give Stepfire   an opportunity   to hear   Elon Musk   and Elon Musk's peers   in their own words   before,   before we we go any further.  

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Of Twitter becoming kind of a super app with payments included,   may perhaps even Doge or something. This seems to me, based on your work with with David at PayPal, like, a pretty brilliant idea. What's what's the vision there in terms of if you were able to buy it, you know, perhaps at the right price,   what what would it look like if, you know, I could add Jason to add Elon Musk, you know, $10 or something if, you know, we we were splitting a check or something?  

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Sure. Well,   for those that have used WeChat, I think that's WeChat's actually a good model.   If you're in China, it's basically you kinda live on WeChat. It does everything.   It's  

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You know,   I would like to pause for a moment and ask,   Stepfire   what is before we go further,   what   is WeChat?   Do you do do you know?  

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No.  

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Okay.   Without without trying to paint it into broad of a brush,   WeChat   is a an application   that,   people who live within the Chinese Communist Party,   in China   have to   download on their phone   if they want to participate   in society.   So if you need to   if you if there's anything in your life  

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that Is it hooked to, like, the credit the special credit score?  

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Well, that's just a small part of it. Oh, okay. Okay?   WeChat,   kind of permeates   the the culture   inside of the the Chinese Communist Party.   You can't   transact   without it.   You can't communicate   without it. You can't contact your employer   without it.   WeChat   is the the app   that determines   your entire life.   This is something that the CCP   created   that Elon Musk is   holding up as the penultimate   ideal   of what needs to happen   in Western   society. So I'm gonna go back to the the clip here.  

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But like Twitter plus PayPal plus a whole bunch of other things and Paul Rolland's one was actually a great interface, and it's it's really an excellent app.   And we don't have anything like that, outside of China. So,   I think   such a such an app,   would be really,   useful.   And   it just like the utility of of it, of of of sort of   a a spam free thing where you could you can make comments, you can post videos, you can,   you know, I think it's important for content creators to have a revenue share.   Now now this this does not need to be done on Twitter. It could be done from something that's created from scratch.   So it could be something new.  

So really but but I think this thing needs to exist, whether it is,   converting Twitter to,   be the sort of, like,   kind of all encompassing app that that, like, says everything from digital town square where important ideas are debated,   you know, maximally trusted and inclusive,   and at a point where you're you're sort of have a high trust situation than than payments,   whether it's crypto or fiat, can make a lot of sense.   Yes. We just want something that's incredibly useful and that people love using.  

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So   quickly,   let me jump over here real quick  

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and do for a year. Well, it's a hard it's a tricky situation,   and it's incredibly complex.  

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Yeah. It's a good one. Indeed. I mean, we don't even have, a a a map that's as good as WeChat in China.   Like, in China, you, like, live on WeChat, basically. Yeah.   It's like yeah. Everyone everyone's, like, good at it. Like, you live on WeChat. You do payments. You do everything. It's like Yep. It's great. Basically, WeChat's kick ass. And we don't have anything like WeChat outside of China.  

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So you have   Elon Musk saying,   my god. Why don't we have what the Chinese   Communist Party has?   And then here is his answer to it.  

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So I was like, my dear would be like, how about if we just copy WeChat?  

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How about   if we don't put a shred   of innovation   into anything?   How about we just copy what the Chinese Communist Party is doing?  

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Hey.   Hey. Copy them.  

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Copy them.   That's what Elon Musk says. Copy the Chinese Communist Party. The private Twitter copies WeChat?   Yeah. Pretty much.   I guess.  

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Yes. Yes. And Dogecoin   is just Bitcoin?  

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Let's copy what the Chinese Communist Party is doing   with their everything app. Let's make sure that every aspect of human existence   flows through an application.   Yes. Let's do that. We don't need to innovate.   We don't need to think. We don't need to put American   heads into it. We just need to copy   what the Chinese Communist Party is doing. And as long as we copy what the Chinese Communist Party is doing, we're gonna be great,   says   innovator   Elon Musk.   Well, gosh. That's weird, man. That's weird  

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to me. What's what's weird about it?  

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This, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens   when you've had it stiffy and nowhere to put it for hours.   This is what happens.  

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There are some,   presuppositions   that are gonna be had,   coming into the discussion. So there might be a lot,   that you're trying to convey   that, for me, I don't carry the same presupposition. So it's not going it what you're saying to me I'm sorry. Something you're just describing. What do you possibly think I'm trying to convey  

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by playing the words of the person saying   we're copying   the communist   Chinese party's application   in order to put everyone on a singular platform. How am I conveying anything?  

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Well, I mean,   to me, that sounds just like normal business practice for someone who wants to make a bunch of money. Make sure the most amount of traffic  

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and make sure that you have a centralized platform   is innovation in business to you?  

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Well, it's innovation in business to the market. It's not innovation  

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because it's replication.   Innovation   denotes   creation.   This is replication.   That's an entirely different thing, my friend.  

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Mhmm. But but,   even if the American Indians were to start copying the column How did we get to the American Indians  

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from Elon Musk directly telling you I'm going to explain what you're saying, Steve, so you can find out.  

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It's an analogy.   You're basically, what you're saying is it's not innovation because it's being copied.  

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But when the American I'm telling I'm not even telling you. I'm showing you that there is a a guy   who is   purportedly   the richest man in the world   saying I don't have any ideas of my own.   I'm going to copy   the Communist Party of China   in order to put the entirety   of the west   onto a blockchain.  

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That's not me saying that. That's him saying. No. No. No. Yeah. But you are saying it like it's a bad thing. So you were putting a negative connotation. Putting it like Yes.   So you're putting a negative connotation   on what he is saying. So   I don't take the same negative connotation. I think efficiency is good. I don't see the issue with efficiency.  

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Well, okay. I'm I'm sorry, my friend. Please denote   for me   where   and I understand   slavery   gets shit done.   This is something that that we've been able to figure out since   the pyramids   or before   slavery Let's go back to colonists and India. You're absolutely correct. I defer to you on that.   However,   I am   bereft   for reasons   why   you would want to   enslave   population   in order to,   I guess, have things run more efficient efficient,  

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on the Internet. Let's see from Stepfire and his response uninterrupted, please. Well,  

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I mean, what is the   why are you again, this is the pre what are you talking about enslaving a bunch of people? Who's being enslaved by creating an app?   Listen, that, you know, has sees a bunch of traffic, whether it be how you order your pizza or how you look up the phone number. You know, that's the new phone, but he he's talked about this stuff like just you showed public.   It's been very public with he's saying, I wanna create a one stop shop for the Internet, A place that you can come to. He wants to see all that traffic go from him. Let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's phone lines back in I'm sorry. But or I apologize.  

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Let me let me interject real quick.   When you say   let's create a one stop shop,   doesn't that denote   that all other options have been removed   from the table, and now there is only   one source   for this?  

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Oh, I mean, it depends on how you look at it. When the car started getting made, the wagon stopped getting made getting made. It wasn't that they had to stop people from making wagons. It was just that the car was so much more efficient. Why are we gonna get a wagon? Just   naturally dies off. Spaceships argument.  

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Well, I don't think so. Yeah. Nobody nobody Feel free to elaborate. About making the wagons more efficient.   There is No. No. No. This is an analogy. A different platform   that rendered the wagon obsolete.   Exactly.  

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Yes.  

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Okay. So you're talking about eliminating   competition   in order to create an entity that exists   as the penultimate   answer to the solution.   Yes?  

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Through competition, but he's not he's not doing it day Exactly. See, that's where you  

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through government   subsidies   because Elon Musk is a government subsidized   contractor.  

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Well, sure.   Yeah. Sure.   But doesn't the American government also have interests in being the one that helps Elon Musk do it instead of him going to Africa or him going to England or China and doing it there?   Should we I mean, you know,  

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there's interest all around. Elon Musk's own words. The product already exists   in China.   Yeah. The product doesn't exist in Africa because Africa doesn't have the infrastructure   to build a copy   of what already exists in China. This is Elon Musk's own words. We're going to copy   what they're doing, not we're going to innovate,   not we're going to create something new.   We're   merely   going to copy. Yes? That's that's what we all heard. Right? Or am I am am I deaf? We're gonna bring a technology that doesn't currently exist here. Do I need to replay this?   Well, we can't I'm not I'm not confirming the copy and then maybe I mean, because his exact words, Elon Musk, exact words were  

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copy. Let's That's step one.  

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Yes? Or or am I wrong?  

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No. But I'm I'm not under I don't understand,   what that why is that so,  

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bad? Right. Okay. Steve's not filling in a lot of innovation back?   Steve's not filling in. Lack of innovation is bad because   you're you're,   relying on what other people have done,   and then you're you're not   expanding your own parameters   of thought and innovation.   That's that's what I would think. But maybe may maybe I'm incorrect for that too. Well well, Steve's putting a couple of things together here.  

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One that   even though,   Musk is being upheld   as this innovator, he's not innovated anything ever.   He's bought some companies.   He's he's a very good,   pitch man. He's a very good,   bro you know, stockbroker.   You know, good good at getting people to invest   into things.   Not a stock broker, but a guy that gets people to invest into the stocks and whatnot.   He's good at that at doing that,   and getting money to shift.   But he himself, there's no innovation that has come out of him in his in the products. Most of them,   while they're vaunted because they're,   new,   they aren't good.  

Again, living off grid, the,   the Tesla wall is not a battery that I would ever touch. It's   literally meant for people who live on the grid.   It's not meant for off grid at all. It's not a good battery.   It's meant to basically couple you with the power company   and turn you into their battery bank. And then at night when the all the machine all the machines are off, that's when you fill that thing up, and then you run off that during the day. So it allows you not to take out of their system during the day. So it's just   it it's I mean, I I can't I understand.  



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I I I'm I think I understand   what you are saying when you say he hasn't really innovated much.  

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Right. And I would agree I think throwing in the social credit thing, which puts the devious angle to everything else being tied together. So he's kinda doing that altogether without stating it.   As I think the problem,  

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he's not Well, yeah, that's why I said that's why I said there's precepts that we're bringing into the conversation.   He might not share. So you you you not say that you have to expand   on these precepts because, you know, you kept saying, the commune the China Communist Party or the Communist China part, whatever it was.  

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Well, there The Chinese Communist Party. Originated   WeChat.   That's where that product Yeah. Derives from. It's it's what Elon Musk   in his own words   said,   I want to copy.   So why would I not   draw from   what Elon Musk in his own words   says   I want to emulate? Why would I not interject   that into   the the conversation?   Because it's not me saying it.   It's Elon Musk   saying,   I lack the creativity   to create my own product.   I think it's more beneficial   if I copy  

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what the channel I don't think he literally meant copy the ones and zeros.  

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That's literally  

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what he said. I can play No. No. He said we can just copy WeChat. I heard the whole thing. He said we just copy WeChat. They haven't worked in all. And Chevy Chevrolet done the same thing when they saw Ford. We need to copy Ford and start making our own trucks, and that's what they started doing. An entirely different engine.   If you look at the history And the engine that would be used on decks would be different than WeChat.  

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The okay.   You you're you're interjecting   in   fucking fantasy   into   this conversation.   We have a clear cut example   of Elon Musk saying, I lack the creativity   to create my own product. I am going to copy   this product.   That's what he said.   With Ford and Chevy,   you have   some significant   delineations   in terms of model.   The does Ford have a straight 6?   Yeah.  

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No. No. No. No. No. No. I was thinking  

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No. No. Ford doesn't have a straight 6. Ford Ford has a straight 6. 300  

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Ford 300,   straight 6.   It's a 302 and it's I mean, we're it's getting a little on 300. Who's this? For 4th grade 6300.  

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It took them time to develop after copying something and then innovating and then releasing You innovate you innovate off of what you you innovate off of what you already have. They they innovated off of the combustion engine. The Ford took the engine and made the best engine and put it in the best cars and was selling these cars. If I show The same thing applies to your example.  

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Of Elon Musk saying free speech is for fucking retards,   would you   go along   with   I'm going to copy the Chinese Communist Party's model   for this.   If I showed you examples   of Elon Musk   making sure   that people   who tried   to implement   free speech on his platform   were deplatformed   and were not allowed a voice,   would that matter?   I, like, I I don't I don't understand because this is equivocation   at this point.   You're quibilitating.  

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That's what you're doing. What am I quibocating?  

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Hi, Janie.  

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Hey, Janie. There were some quotes brought up by Henry Ford as, innovator and anti Semite. So Henry Ford was steadfastly courageous, violent racist, and anti Semitic views that he clung to most of his life. There were some likable characteristics   about Ford. So you're using that to bring up things that Elon Musk have said in the past that don't paint him in a good light.   Maybe he's not just a Bond villain after all. Maybe he's maybe he's good and evil at the same time, but you gotta be both to push forward.  

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Everybody has their own motives. And when you start impugning motives on the like, why did you have me up here? Do you have did you bring me up here just so you can scream at me about a Elon Musk? Are you being very you are, dude. I didn't bring Yeah.   No. That's why I'm I'm just I'm just getting to the point that you can't you can't he said I'm gonna copy WeChat.   Okay?   What copy means to him when he says that could be completely different than how you're taking it, And you have no way of knowing how he meant copy in that instance. Well, he It's like a word delineated  

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exactly   what he meant   in the clip that I played before   the clip that I played that he said he wanted to copy WeChat. He laid out all of the reasons why   he wanted to copy WeChat.   It ain't me,   bro. It's that guy. Yeah. He wants to make he wants to make more money. He laid out all of the reasons why he wanted to do it, and you're sitting here   telling me   that it's in my head.   And I I fucking invented what he said.  

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Come on, dude. No. No. No. No. You didn't invent what he said. He did say what he said. Goddamn second.  

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Let's do that. Let's live in reality first.  

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I'm down here, brother. Let's go. That he said,  

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not what you think I feel.   Let's take the words that he said.  

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But but what about how you think he feels? You're doing that to him.   So I shouldn't do it to you. You shouldn't do it to him probably. Right?  

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Okay. Let me just fucking pause for one second. Just   because apparently Pause.   Pause. Pause.   I do have to apologize.   Apparently, it's a little more blood sporty   than it's ever ever ever I'm okay. I'm okay. I must apologize. I did I did say though that it wasn't. So if you're cool with it, have at it. I'm not I'm not offended.   I just apologize because I did say it's Steve actually is getting pretty. He's wound. Holy shit.  

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I just I'm Look,   if you if you met my dad all heard evil and lay out what he wanted to do.   And then,   Spitfire here   is saying,   I I don't know. Maybe it's totally different than what the guy said   he wanted to do.   So perhaps   we should revisit   what you said. You still have to put the negative connotation,  

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Steve.   What are the negative aspects? Like, he Stepfire wasn't in the in here when we talked about what happened with PayPal. Right? Stepfire?   Where PayPal was the first company that actually in America   implemented the social credit system and locked down people's accounts.  

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So you talk are you talking about, like, the $600   fee if they find something on another social network that they don't like? No. No. No. No. This is way before that.  

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Yeah. This is Steve and I have been around for a a long time, bro. And,   so doing this kind of thing for a long time now. Yeah. And back in the this is what? Probably about   4 years ago. It was around 2020.   Anybody that said anything out of line, they they locked your cash down and they took it. It's no longer it's   they they can keep it now, and they challenged that. Well, then they said that they weren't gonna do that because a bunch of people closed their accounts.   Well, then they went and did it anyways, even after they said that they weren't gonna because so many people closed their accounts.   So, like, for people like us that were doing alternative alternative media,   a lot of people were paying out of their PayPal's because that was an alternative system. And so   you saw an immediate anybody that had alternative voices   get shut down basically overnight, including guys   like, my example when I was talking about it earlier was Freeman Fly   who I mean, this guy's an Alex Jones contemporary from back then. This guy literally called out 911 before 911 happened.  

Everybody knew who this guy was that did any kind of alternative stuff.   And   overnight,   they basically shut him down. You know, he's like, I lost half my income. We're talking payment processors being the middle man that dictates who receives  

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funding.  

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So so the the so Steve hadn't laid out I don't think you were in there for that part. So for you, Steve, I don't think,   exactly. Freeman is an OG.   The negative   implications that have already existed, you're just putting up a preset. That's why he said presupposition.   You haven't laid out a case where these things aren't just more convenient,   which most people think convenience is good. You've gotta put out the negative connotation and not presume it. You're jumping right to slavery.  

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So how long ago did the, the incident that you're speaking about PayPal happen? How long ago was that? Okay. Well, let's let's actually look at the first time that PayPal  

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levied a sanction   against any   individual   independent   business.   We can go back to 2012,   2011.   Okay. PayPal   said   we're no longer processing   payments   for WikiLeaks.   Mhmm. Yeah?   Spitfire,   do you   do you know what I'm I'm talking about?  

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I don't know,   of the incident   specifically, but Okay.  

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Back in in late 2011,   2012,   with the onset of PayPal,   but certainly   with,   payment processors   like, Mastercard   and Visa,   where people were   familiar with,   giving   transactions   over the Internet,   there was a CIA   directive   that said   anyone who is contributing to WikiLeaks   is going to be subjected   to criminal   penalties.   Don't fucking do it.   Don't do it.   And so   Mastercard,   Visa,   the fledgling   PayPal   and every other payment processor   except for Bitcoin   said, okay. We're we're going to listen   to the international   intelligence   community,   and we're not going to allow   payments to process   to WikiLeaks.  

Bitcoin   was the only   payment processor   available   to WikiLeaks.   This is an international   financial   hegemony   using all of its influence   to go,   I don't like what you say.   Your speech   no longer counts.   In fact,   your speech   can't be monetized.   Everybody else's speech can be monetized,   but your speech can't.   I don't like it.   It might be right.   It   might bear out to be 100%   true. That has nothing to do with this this   particular situation.   We   are the Global   Financial   Oligarchy,   and we say   your speech   is   effectively   worthless.   That's a thing that happened.   Yeah. I don't I don't even know how to put it. That would be a violation of the first amendment.  

It would be. It was.   It was in 2012.  

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There's press Although, I know that don't mean shit to them. They don't give a fuck with your constitution or a car.   I'm just saying.   Yeah. I mean,   with the PayPal, some of these companies, they're making these decisions on the fly, and they make bad decisions all the time. Not PayPal.  

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Dude, dude, you're focusing on PayPal. I'm telling you,   it was every bank  

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on the fucking planet. You can go look this up very well for you. I'm not sure that that makes the case that you're trying to make, though, Steve.   Because you're trying to make this case specifically against Musk.   And   the the whole thing with that is this this was an Internet government. Government. You're like the government.  

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Trying to hinge it on Musk.   That may be where we're confused.  

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But, I mean, this is the first You're not gonna try it because PayPal went along with it. Right?   So you're moving the goalpost. I would maybe move this more to the places where PayPal in and of itself   has just   made its implemented its own things like it did with the social crediting, like you said things. The government didn't tell it to shut down and hold people's money. That wasn't a government directive.   Mastercard, Visa, and   all them didn't do that. That was specifically only PayPal   showing that PayPal if they if you start making commentaries,   they don't like. They're fully willing to just take every bit of money you have in their system,   lock it down and say it's theirs. That was done without government directive. This other thing was done under directive.  

Now they did did did they did they fold? Absolutely.   But that's I don't think that was really the case.  

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I need to I just need,   I need just need a little bit of clarity.   Is the issue that you have with e Elon Musk   because of PayPal's   participation   in this international ban,   for   payment processing to WikiLeaks.   That's that is that what your,   is that why you don't like Elon Musk?  

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No. No. No.   Not at all. Not at all. That that's a teeny tiny part of it. In fact, I'm not a 100%   sure   that Elon   was   on the board of PayPal   when PayPal   decided to cut off,   a major   news aggregate.  

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Was Peter Thiel with PayPal at that time in 2011?  

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Yeah. No. You're probably no. No. No. Peter Thiel was fully   divested   of PayPal before 2011.   He was 100%   with Palantir.   Palantir's   only client   for the first three years of his existence   was the   CIA.  

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What is a Palantir?  

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What is a Palantir   in the Lord of the Rings thing?  

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In Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's the one that's religious and  

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and because they have the sword. It gets like a plus one.  

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And and and probably it it still doesn't get to get laid, though.   It's, like, almost magical.   Right?  

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So Yeah. So nervous naming brings up the Lord of Rangus Ascension.   Was its own in entity.   In 2011,   the only client   that Palantir had was the CIA.   In fact, until 2014,   Palantir   had 0   clients   outside of   the CIA.   That's   JD Vance.   I'm so confused. You don't have a JD Vance without Palantir and Peter Thiel.  

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Steve is like his   Steve, you gotta kinda t I understand in your world,   all these things are interconnected because they are. I get it. I get it. But the background information that you're presuming that you're he he should have.  

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Okay. He doesn't have, bro.   JD Vance was a humble marine   who went to go work   for,   the,   literary   outlets  

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for the marine corps. Hold on. Hold on. We're we're getting to we're getting further down, and I'm trying to We're boiling it down. We're boiling it down. Yeah. What does this have to do with Elon Musk?  

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Well, it has a lot to do with I read a video together first of all. And if you'll allow me, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I really am. I'm sorry. If you'll allow me to boil it down, I will.   Okay? Let's take,   Let's take for for this particular example,   JD Vance.   JD Vance   is a humble marine   journalist.   Right?   That's what we know about JD Vance. Yes?  

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Yeah. I mean, he's got a movie and a book and Yeah. He's got a movie and a book. Okay.  

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Prior to that, he was a humble   marine   reporter.   Yes?   Yeah. We're we're agreed on that.   Okay.   Prior to that,   what you have   is an apparatus   where,   2 particular   individuals   own,   legitimately   own   a significant   sphere   of   the ability   for the armed forces   to report   because they funded   it.   If you don't have funds,   do you have the ability   to get your word out?   Would you would you tell me with a straight face, Spitfire,   that if somebody isn't putting up the money for your publication, that your   publication   goes out?  

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Yeah. I mean, I'm with you so far, I think. Okay.  

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So   the the people that made sure   that the marine publication   went out   were   at that particular time,   Peter Thiel   and Miriam   and Sheldon   Adelson.   Who's,   and Sheldon Adelson   is dead.   But who's Miriam Adelson?   Do you know?   No.   Miriam Adelson   is the widow   of Sheldon Adelson   who owned   a significant   amount of properties   all throughout   the United States and Israel   and was a major   benefactor   of the Republican Party.   Miriam Adelson   gave Donald Trump just a couple of months ago, a $100,000,000.   Does a $100,000,000   sound like a small amount of coin to you?  

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I mean, if she's a if she's a multibillionaire,   then it it's chump change.  

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For  

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an average Elon Musk bought Twitter for 44,000,000,000   an hour. Okay. Let's let I'm sorry. I'm sorry.   My bad. Let's   contextualize   this   because I didn't do that properly.   The,   Harris campaign   had $1,150,000,000.   That that seems like an exceptional   amount of money.   Yeah?  

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Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a lot of money. Okay.  

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Does a tenth of that   at a $100,000,000   seem like an insignificant   amount of money,   or does that also seem like a substantial  

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amount of money? Like, if you had a So you're saying she donated to Donald Trump's campaign? You, Spitfire,  

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had a   $100,000,000   at your disposal.   Would you feel like you had a substantial   amount of money, or would you feel like you had insignificant   amount of money?  

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I mean, it it's a lot of money to a poor person.  

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To a poor person?   Yeah. A $100,000,000   only seems like a substantial amount  

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to a poor person.  

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It would be like upper middle class. It'd be a lot of money to them too. Upper middle class. Once you hit these guys. Hey. Hey, Alan. Alan, can you pull up what an an average middle class family makes   right now?  

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In $20.24.  

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Because I feel like this is very disingenuous.  

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No. No. I know. I'm willing to concede that it's a lot of money to me. But is it a lot of money to Trump, the billionaire? Is it a lot of money to Elon Musk? Is it a lot of money to this Muriel check? No. It's not a lot of a lot of money. I'll tell you what. Elon Musk only put up  

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$40,000,000   to Miriam Adelson. Answer. $100,000,000.   In upper middle I'll tell you what, dude. I'll tell you what.   The,   one of the biggest donors   to the DNC   in 2020,   Steve Kirsch,   only put up $2,000,000   as opposed to  

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That's about 1 tenth,   middle per middle class person earns in a year. So between $94,000   and a $153,000 per year. That's middle That's what upper middle class makes? The upper middle class. That sounds crazy. That sounds like middle class to me. That's the 60th to 80th percentile of all. Living a much better life than most of us then, man.  

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You are. Lower class. I'm not making that much. People make 45  

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to $65,000   a year.   Well, the thing about the thing about that is  

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and after I get done, I would like to hear what Chaney's thoughts. But the thing about that is is due to social media,   we get to see an extreme glamorization   of these people that a lot of times don't even have the money they're representing.   And where before this, we when I was a kid, I knew of 1 millionaire. It was Ron Rivett   because in Aberdeen, South Dakota where I'm from, which is where super 8 started,   That's where Ron Rivets from and super 8 took off. That other than that, I didn't know what you know, I couldn't have named another millionaire.   Now due to the social media,   everybody has,   these millionaires have become a celebrity status.  

And so it's made it,   in people's minds something that they can attain   without understanding   the the sheer volume that a $1,000,000,000   is. That That's a lot. Yeah. That's to have that in in actual   equity   is insane.   And so I I think social media has blurred that where actual normal people,   99%   of us, are making   under $500,000   under $250,000.   Most of us are still making under $80,000.  

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Alderson, it is worse than that. Living on. It's worse than that.   We talk about the national debt of 1,000,000,000 of dollars like it ain't shit.   It's worse than just the 1,000,000,000   and how social media has kind of just exploded   this concept.   Because   like you're saying, it's   it's crazy how much money have you ever tried to count to a 1000000000?   So much, man. It's so much, and it's it's hard to imagine that there are people that have that kind of money. And like I said, Elon Musk bought Twitter for $44,000,000,000.   He just had that. You know, he had to borrow some. But, you know, people were willing to give it to him because he was good for it. Alright.  

I was curious where I think you were getting somewhere   with that because I'm still trying to understand how it connects to, Something about Miriam Adams  

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having money and then doing something with money.  

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Was Sheldon Adelson the one that started Fox? Is that Sheldon, Adelson?  

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I don't think that   I'd I've I would, recognize the name of the person to start a call.  

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Sheldon Adelson   was a casino   magnate.  

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Alright. That's where I know that yeah. Okay. Yep.  

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Yeah.   Sheldon Adelson   hired,   X Mossad   to make sure that they ran   security   for his   casinos.   That's   an ancillary   point.   What the point that I'm trying to make   is that people with   extreme   amounts of money   and influence   can   and do   influence   people in perceived   positions   of power.  

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Oh, absolutely.  

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The president   is a person   in a perceived   position   of power.   Congress   are people   in perceived   positions of power. They are not people in actual   positions   of power.   Because   as   the Stanford   study in 2017   showed us,   it doesn't matter   what people think.   It matters   what lobbyists   think.   I I I would be happy   to bring this up   right now. In fact, I've had, like, all kinds of fucking clips that I could play to underscore   all of my position.   You don't have to listen to me.   You really don't, man. You you can   have the opportunity   to listen to people   in positions   of actual influence   who are telling you   the exact same things that I am. It ain't me, bro. It ain't.  



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I'm not telling you this. You understand that all because you're,   like I said, my dad is, you know, he's of that world. You know? He q and on,   fuels of Q and on. All of it with what you are. Buddy.   But, still, I understand what it's like engaging with,   this side of the Internet. Okay. So   what ends up happening is trying to get to,   an understanding where you're coming from. We end up going down this rabbit hole that devolves into another rabbit hole that devolves into another rabbit hole to the point that the original point that we're trying to reach is now out of sight. We're we're nowhere near because I'm still not understanding how any of this means that Elon Musk is bad for,   you   know, creating Tesla   and star SpaceX and   taking over Twitter, and I don't I don't understand how any of this means that Elon Musk is a bad guy. Okay. So I showed you  

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with without   any kind of equivocation   that Elon   Musk wants to turn   Twitter into   the Chinese   Communist Party's WeChat.   I showed you that.  

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We all watch to the equivalent,   like the American equivalent of,   you know, like Twitter. I mean, not Twitter, but, TikTok. There's a different version of TikTok No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Stop. It's copied over, but it's not the same.  

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Stop.   Stop. Stop.   Elon Musk, in his own words,   said   there is nothing   in the west   like they have in China.  

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Yeah. That's why he wants to bring it to the west. In his own words  

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said  

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To bring it to the west. To copy  

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what they have   in China.  

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Yeah. But we've already been over all this. I understand. I'm not watching I I watched the video. Chat  

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into  

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the WeChat of the West. What what benefits have WeChat brought to China? Fucking  

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excuses.   There's a difference.  

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No. No. No. I'm not making excuses.   I'm not reading into it what he's saying.   Whatever fits my agenda.   Whatever fits him. Whatever I'm comfortable with him. He's only allowed to think whatever you think he's allowed to think. Anything else is not even possible. No. You say when he says I want a copy, that means that he wants to he wants communism in America. That's what you're saying. And you understand that this does not logically track whatsoever.   You're using a word concept fallacy to say that when he says copy, he wants exactly what they have over here. It's shorthand for saying they've got a really good idea. Why don't we have this really good idea over here too?  

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You have a totally different definition of copy   than the one No. No. No. When  

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no. The way that people use word in English He's like when they speak with each other, they simp. Well, what's a simp? I thought a simp is a retard. Right?   Is it? No. Do you think No. Oh, you see how words get used differently? Because a stem is a simpleton   also. I think So it's a word constant fallacy that you're using. We're saying copy only means this one very particular thing. And if you ever say copy,   you mean to copy it. Zeros and ones all the way through. You're that's just you're adding that in without any I can't believe you can yeah. I can't believe you're not drowning in your own cope.  

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Holy fuck, dude. Do you realize how much cope   you put onto that? Elon Musk  

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has said, I'm going to copy the Chinese Communist Party's WeChat and Confirmed for the 10th time. I I confirmed for the 10th time. He has said it, and I've confirmed that he has said it 10 times. We got it. He said he's gonna copy it. Go back. What he means by that is where we disagree. Go back to the payment processing   thing. When I say when I say that I'm going to copy your paper exact same kind of payment processing   platform Yeah. Yeah. When I say that I'm going to copy your answers on the test,   I'm not making a one to one copy where it's actually just duplicated   the screen the piece of paper, the test. No, I see what he done and then I do it. I see what he done on that answer and then I do. I'm still doing it. But so it's not copying if you want to get technical with it. See what you are attributing to copy something that you cannot justify.  

You're just you're just reading that in. You're speculating   as to what he means by copy. I'm not speculating.  

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I played  

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the clip of him saying it. Alright. And so where did he say alright. If I we watched. I must have missed this part.   Where did he say that where did he say that copy means I want to copy the base code of the system over here, and I wanna bring that exact same system over here code and all? Can you show me where he said that? Or did he just say I wanna copy WeChat?   Which would be no different than Chevy saying I want a copy verification  

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that has no fucking bearing It's called an analogy  

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Analogy. That,  

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and I know that. So why the fuck would you even introduce it into this No. No. G. Come on, dude. That's some fucking bullshit, dude. Why the Analogy. Did you ever say that shit? Why is that Because you are not understanding  

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you're not tracking.   You're not understanding what it is I'm trying to explain.   So I'm using an analogy   to hope that it looking at the analogy  

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might clear up what I'm trying to say over here. Because what we're we're on the copy thing, we're not getting anywhere. So if we move to another part and we try to resolve it there, it can fall down. I'm just saying that he said it in a different way. You And he said it haven't because he said haven't made the case. He saying that he said it means that he didn't say it the way that he said it. He did. Just the case. He did.   In the way   You haven't made the case. Fuck. You haven't made the case for why this is bad.   Dumb. Stop being dumb. For it being bad, bro. On purpose.  



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Make the case for it being bad. You're making an assumption in it.  

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Shane.  

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Shane.   Yes.  

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Hi.  

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Who's your favorite Adelson?  

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I don't know. Is that somebody on Little House on the Prairie?  

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Did they have a lot of money back then?  

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I don't know. That's what a lot of money was. They probably depending on their amount of silver and gold, they might had a good amount. Build a few times houses to it years ago. We've built it today. In the Dakotas or Southern Minnesota,  

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one of the Ingalls Wilder people needs to have at least shit in your town, or else it can't even actually be a legitimate town.  

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That means it's good soil.  

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Yes.   Yes.   Like, 3 little girls will show up in bonnets, and you can choose which one is you like and start your own little family, and the everything will just grow magically.  

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Michael Landon.   That was  

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a more innocent time. So if we gave those families   in Oak Grove   credit card,   imagine what they could build with it.   They just go to Home Depot,   and they buy all the lumber they want. They could build larger houses.  

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Man, they could if they had the credit card, they could've went to Mankato every week. Sure. And then you know what?   Then they might not have had that. But, you know, that that that is a a a band's   a near band story now because,   what's his name? It's a it's a pedophile thing now because he's   manly   hooked up with,   the sister when she was, like, 14 or something.   So that can't be promoted anymore.   Oh, right. And child birthing. Because we're all because we're overlaying   the moral systems of today onto those end of people of that time   and presuming that they should have had the same discretion   from the moral zeitgeist of today as then.  



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So Little House on Prairie 18 fifties. If they had access to immediate lumber,   could they have built larger houses for everybody in the community? And wouldn't that have been a great thing for everyone to have a large home?   Should people be prevented from having   homes   of a great size?  

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Back then, it would have been a problem because how are you gonna heat the home?   Like, you're talking about I mean, yeah. In southern Minnesota, they have trees, but not in any of the Dakotas or Wyoming or anything. The the settlers brought the trees with them. That's why they were living inside houses   and had their animals inside the houses with them,   to in order to keep heat for themselves and the animals.   Like, trees were a luxury.  

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You could build a larger home around a smaller home, and that would act as insulation.   Interior of the home would stay  

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I don't know I don't know if efficiency matters here in terms of if you give someone enough resources and they don't Well, again, you gotta have enough trees to burn to heat the home. And if you have a giant home, like, I don't know. I live off of a wood stove, and it takes us   4, 5 cords a year   to heat our home, and we don't even live in a particularly cold place. We do cook off of the  

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4 cords a year, and it's not a big house. I promise   you. Yeah. I promise you. Over time copying  

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Yeah. Steve lives with you for a little while. At least the innovation leads to increased efficiency.  

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Right. You you you you gotta start chopping. I promise you, bro. You got a technocratic  

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mindset though, Marcus.   It it is.   You can't  

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In in 1850,   there wasn't an Internet  

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to   a realistic   atmosphere.   You can't.   History has shown   that you can't do that.  

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I'd have to end up spending 6 months of the year cutting wood and splitting wood just to heat that son of a  

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bitch. Unless we give you capital and money and gold, and then you can buy everybody else's wood.  

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I'm not trying to be loud.  

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Greed greed is good. Right? Everybody needs to be greedy. They can collect all the resources.   And then once you have an abundance of resources, then you can build larger things for everybody.   But, you know, in Minecraft, when you start a new server, nobody has anything. And then the players that put in the most time and effort   over time   get to reveal,   who has the best hacks. So now if you can see where the diamonds are, then you can just go directly to diamonds. So the people who don't use the transparent texture to see where the diamonds are, they're at a disadvantage.  

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Everyone lives on top of a diamond mine.  

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Well, there's other resources. People don't always live on top of a diamond mine. It might it might be Amish cookies. It could be, you know, Amish fighting against the cookie mafia out of Utah, the Crumble cookie. That's innovation. You make a new sort of cookie   sales   terminal, and you can just officially sell chocolate chips.  

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Allow for people to innovate,   and you have to allow for the time  

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that Then we have to allow for failure. So some of the businesses will fail. Everybody lives on top of a diamond mine. That's a horrible analogy.  

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Actually, I think I think it's a perfect analogy if you really think about it. Some people are they aren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Some people, just by dent of where they're born or,   their status their family status in society,   That would be born metaphorically. No. No. It'd be born on top of the diamond mine. Let's apply that across the board.  

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How many people   over the course of a geographic   and fucking mineral plot   live on top of a diamond mine. No, dude. That's a horrible analogy.   Let's find a better one. Let's find a better one.  

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Yeah. I I think it's completely apt. Just just a is the, dude, but you've had horrible   Are you saying that all people are born on the same level?   We all have the same income when we're born? Nobody   has that, dude. What the Okay. So some okay. So some people have more diamonds under than others.  

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Dude, you'd   you're you're   talking  

[02:16:46] Unknown:

in absolute fucking If you're Elon Musk's kid, you were born on top of a diamond. Kids.  

[02:16:52] Unknown:

We were talking payment processes. So we're talking people who print the money out and the people who have the money. Back into reality  

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a little bit where people live.  

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It's a metaphor.  

[02:17:03] Unknown:

Your fantasy lives. Are we talking access to funding?   You brought up access to funding and how that plays out. Having friends who can fund   your bank account so you can purchase something that is with   with, it's outside of your means. So if you need $44,000,000,000   to purchase a tech company, and then you can call up all your friends and say, you know, I got a week to come up with a large chunk of change. Now I'm gonna purchase an election  

[02:17:31] Unknown:

in a few years, but right now, my first step people on the planet does that apply, though?  

[02:17:37] Unknown:

Well, history is just About as many as you live by top of a diamond mine. Give us a 1000 more years and there may be more. Yeah. But the first the first movers and shakers, innovators  

[02:17:48] Unknown:

How many people on the planet   does this scenario that you're putting forth   apply to?  

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Today? I mean, any of the incredibly wealthy people you see.  

[02:18:04] Unknown:

So what percentage   of the overall population   does that apply to?  

[02:18:13] Unknown:

Almost none.  

[02:18:14] Unknown:

If we're talking about 0.0001%   of the population,   okay.   But can we talk about   the people   that actually   populate   the population?  

[02:18:31] Unknown:

Could we maybe? If we're Yeah. But, yeah, but this is the this is the rabbit hole in the rabbit hole. Right? We're fixing to move off of the one topic to talk about another topic.   If we   wanna resolve the topic we're on, we gotta stay within   this realm   to try to figure it out.  

[02:18:48] Unknown:

Hey. Look, man. My girl is seriously pissed off that I'm talking, so I'm gonna dip.   You guys have a good night. Gotcha.  

[02:18:59] Unknown:

We'll see you, man. It was good talking to you. Good night, Steve.  

[02:19:04] Unknown:

So the rabbit hole in the rabbit hole in the rabbit, is it just this never ending sequence of rabbit holes?   So we're trying to If you don't stop rabbit, yes. So to get out of it, so what is your solution to get out of the solipsistic   rabbit hole and within a rabbit hole within a rabbit hole?  

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No. I just mean   so in this sorry. My kid is bugging out in there. In this,  

[02:19:27] Unknown:

You help with the energy. You raise the energy, and people get   energized.  

[02:19:33] Unknown:

That's funny. The 3 of us got nothing going on in the background. We're just sitting all around here like,   dude, dude, dude. Cheney and I are playing with our cats. Yeah. Well, he worked me asleep, but he ain't. So just relax.  

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Give me a minute,   and we'll come back to this.  

[02:19:50] Unknown:

Sure. Not a problem, brother. Take care of the kids. You better check it. Our resident rabbit hole expert, Cheney, over here.  

[02:19:57] Unknown:

Don't you use that as a logo sometimes?  

[02:20:00] Unknown:

Yeah. I love it.   So rabbit holes are good. Yeah. I think the first part of,   like, going back to your inner child is not thinking you know everything. So you have to who, what, when, where, why, what, and you have to go and start asking the questions again. It's the way you break the programming. So I love a rabbit hole within a rabbit hole within a rabbit hole because eventually, we all end up in the same place. You can start with conspiracy, you'll end up in spirituality or vice versa, but we're all just mixing   up what we really don't know. And in the long run, it's no matter what we're arguing about, it's really because we're all insecure about what happens when we die.  

That   is  

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So I not healthy.  

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Yeah. And in my real life, I've,   stared death in the face. And I really   have it's just like,   I don't need to change anyone's mind. Like, I just have my own vibe, my intuition, my thing, what's going on.   So,   yeah. To get, like, emotionally,   tied into something that we would just be debating about what religion means at its core   or debating this or that. That's the same way as taking any old clip of anyone and then, like, trying to guesstimate what this thing means. And taking technology doesn't mean taking the communism, but it could mean even worse than that. That's where I think we just have to be diligent.  

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But We're we're the big I'm a glider.  

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The first one. I walked on the edge of death in real life. And so I   I really believe in my heart. Death is unconditional love, and I am not ready to go there yet. Like, I am not ready for unconditional love,   but I'm not scared of unconditional love anymore. And so it makes it easier in my real life to accept unconditional love. Does May love her son, Elon Musk, unconditionally on SNL?  

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That that ability  

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that ability to make it. I think you're like, the world's a stage, and,   everybody's taking part in what they think their favorite character or least favorite character is. And how invested you get in that character   and how much you let that character dictate your life   that says more about you than me. So I'm asking you and   masculine shit   words I can't say so we don't get taken off YouTube, ouchie, ouchie shit. I'm just gonna keep doing that shit. And it seems to be working out right now. And the way I look at the world, it's like everyone used to try to wake everyone up all the time. That was the goal of all these podcasts.   Now the world's woke up and they're really pissed off about it. It's like you used to watch you used to be the only one that listened to that album called 9 eleven's an inside job. Then the world found out and you're like, but wait, they don't know as much as I do about this thing. It becomes a weird way of a PCR test, but it's a mental PCR test that we're doing that we're trying to prove I'm a bigger conspiracy there. I ask more questions. I read more Manly P. Hall. I've read Aleister Crowley, but have you asked this? Have you even It's pronounced a brilliant even know a human? Do you know an alchemist for real, though?  

You know? So it's just like, what are we up to? Met one. I know. You have the crowns.   Names correctly. I dropped Alderson's names, so I'm like, what are you talking about? Alchemy?  

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Probably.   Not Crowley.  

[02:23:25] Unknown:

I know. So I just Crowley. Everything yeah. Even that the pronunciation of things, you'll talk to some people and   you'll be able   to go good and evil. And some people will be like, there's no such thing as good and evil. Some people, you can talk about black and white. Some people there there's no such thing as black and white. Some people just wanna dissect words as we go. And I'm like, I don't I am not here to change anyone's mind anymore. I already did that fight. So it's like,   are you I to me, Pluto is really in Aquarius for the 1st day today.   And so I feel a new energy,   and I don't think it always has to be   technical energy out there.  

I feel it in here. And so I've watched everyone   get dismantled by really a fake news on every social media platform and every TV and every other black mirror. But now x is a bad black mirror. But x, I can say my piece and if Ben disagrees,   he can community note it. And if Alan comes along, he can up Ben's community note. So eventually it can take over my post and come up that it's like, this is kinda bullshit.   So there isn't any AI monitoring me. This is what you can't do when people are like, oh, free speech, free speech. It's not it's like going in the park and thinking you can walk around naked. It's a public forum. So there is amount of decorum. Did you happen to read our group chat? Did you have access to that? Did you hack into our chat?  

[02:24:48] Unknown:

No. Because that was the topic we wanted to discuss with you was public nudity, and you just brought it up. So that's very suspicious of it. Perfect. You must have  

[02:24:57] Unknown:

got some kind of hidden X cam.   You must be a member of my OnlyFans.  

[02:25:04] Unknown:

No. I'm accusing you of being the the voyeur and then and,   looking into our private secret hidden chat rooms.  

[02:25:12] Unknown:

I don't know. I don't think so. Okay. Well, it's very, very suspicious that you've been too many chats or mails overwhelm me. But I don't know. I'm just not scared. You can take as much part in it as you wanna take   or   not. Like, that's I just want the freedom to or not.   And so as long as that's the thing. And for right now, for what it's worth in the ship,   I am fucking grateful it's not Kamala Harris.   And we're not even there yet, you guys. We're not even to inauguration day. So I feel like hold on to your hats still. This movie is still gonna get good.   We haven't even made it to aliens yet.  



[02:25:53] Unknown:

That's what comes in the script. I'll give you interesting. I don't know if it's good or bad yet. I mean, it's gonna take a few years of 2020 vision to look in the back rearview mirror to see, well, what happened in 2020,   and how did that influence this election? And and now we're going through the,   the business history of 1 Elon Musk, and I'm asking you if when you see him on a comedy show   and his mother describes her son as being on a spectrum and just kind of always being like that, maybe Asperger's or whatever it was she said,   I I don't know. Does that humanize this guy who's   done some business moves? And and I understand that, you know, Trump is also a businessman, and there are businessmen who aren't even in this public spotlight   who might be great benefactors. And they they might die and their wealth goes and builds schools and education centers for, you know,   disenfranchised youth, that sort of thing.  

But we're talking about real people   with real business acumen and real desires to   push things forward.   And, specifically, if it's Elon Musk because that's kind of what we're talking about the most tonight is Elon Musk,   the Doge father, again, d o g   e, reverse at e g o d. That's the electronic god. Right? Are we worshiping this man? And then has he set up his entire   thing in the same way Trump did, where Trump surrounded himself with gold, and now he's kind of the president, kind of the king of the United States of America under a theocratic Christian national fascist, whatever word you wanna throw at him.   And my other complaint was all these women who were in politics, they weren't wearing ties, so I didn't know the color of their tie to determine what their affiliation was. You know, when you wear the right color tie to play on your team, so then we don't have friendly fire.  



[02:27:38] Unknown:

Following me here? Yeah. So there was a period of time. I don't know if I froze for you guys or oh, okay. I you guys completely went out for me. So then I didn't know if it was me or the room. So,   yeah, I was I did miss a bit a part of it, but I don't know how much of   it. I was panicked. I was about to text you guys.   You know, when you get that technological,   like, jab, when you're like, oh, shit. Did I fall off stream?  

[02:28:08] Unknown:

Well and we do have to say that. I hope not because we can't get Stepfire back in either. It's Steve's stream.   So Stepfire   Oh. Taking care of his kids quick and and dropped off, and he can't come back in now.  

[02:28:22] Unknown:

That that's so right because we are running up against, a running clock.   Uh-huh. There's a there's a time limit. You did talk about death and not fearing death.  

[02:28:33] Unknown:

I think everybody a lot of the people that work on computers at the highest level are autistic.   Like, I think a lot of us are on the spectrum and a lot of ways to the things they say. And if you ever talk to chat GPT or grok,   it's autistic. And if you kind of talk to it autistically,   which means, like, sometimes you have to take your emotion out of shit.   Like, you have to take all the frill out of it and just say what you need to say. And that's kind of if you really want   the computer to kind of work for you, you kinda have to do it in that way.   And so   I think it wasn't like it was   people that were good in social settings in real life that were designing all the software   and hardware and chemistry,   like, everything I would think that would be scientific and technology. So Elon being a computer nerd, they all seem weird to me at the get. So when they call them weird, I'm like, that's literally how every guy I know that's really great on computers and that kind of, like,   weird   brain, they are a little   different. And so I don't know it about him,   but I just know other people that seem to be of that mindset that it's like What about Zuckerberg? Take it personally sometimes.  



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I I  

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I see it the same way. Zuck? Doesn't it seem like a different Zuckerberg?   Remember the Zuckerberg we grew up with? I said this at the beginning. This one looks more dolphin like. A little bit of jiu   jitsu. Smoother  

[02:30:02] Unknown:

skin.  

[02:30:04] Unknown:

Yeah. I know people can change their body. I know people age. I know people get plastic surgery, but some of these people seem like they were either replaced or cloned.   And I don't I don't really get down with the cologne thing. I mean, not that it I don't even know if it's real or not. I just think part of it, even Dolly the sheep, like, here's a sheep.  

[02:30:21] Unknown:

We cloned it. There used to be video filters. I've got video filters running right now.  

[02:30:27] Unknown:

Yeah. It just feels like how would you know if this sheep was cloned from   Ben might know. Ben might be the only one that could tell 2 part sheep or part.   And I don't mean in a nasty way. Everyone would   I don't mean in a Smell them, lick them, touch them. Well, I just feel like even in luck, he's probably been around sheep. I'm, like,   one sheep would all look like the rest of the sheep. It'd be like picking out a golden retriever unless you had a golden retriever.  

[02:30:54] Unknown:

Yeah. No. I had I I literally had grew up raising sheep. I can absolutely tell the difference between different   sheep without without even looking hardly.   Like, even the same with the cats. I know the differences.   Some of the cats, I don't really know them that well, so I don't, like, know their names or nothing, but I can tell the difference.  

[02:31:17] Unknown:

Can you determine the sheep online when you go to x.com   or you'd log in to WeChat or whatever the whatever the platform is and you see that there's a person who's you assume it's a person posting something.   You know? I mean, it's like, if I'm chatting with someone on Snapchat, I just go through the list of randomly add add add add to see out of the 100 people I added in the last 48 hours, and I get 20 responses,   maybe one of them is an actual,   quote, unquote, person representing themselves.   The others might be representing   themselves as a brand to sell their services   illicitly, that sort of thing.  

Stockpuppet accounts, you know, people who have 5 different cell phones just sitting on their desk, and their job is just to sit there. What app are we talking about? Any app, specifically   specifically with Snapchat for for this discussion.   What do you go on Snapchat for? To be social, to to talk with people so you can add them. You don't know who they are, and you wanna get to know them because   you want to be social. And then you discover these women are not being social back   without,   you know, wanting   to hook you in. And it's the same thing with   when Elon Musk buys Twitter and he talks about the bots on Twitter. Well, he just took out some bots and replaced them with other bots. Yeah, dude. Most I I joined Twitter to try and because, a lot of the,  

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bigger to debate guys,   you might they have Twitter, and that's how they message back and forth. And so I finally got the Twitter, and 90% of my followers are always some bot chick.  

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Right. So in my experiment   of, you know, downloading threads, which is like a Twitter   clone. You could call it a copy. I don't think we can say the word copy. That word is in the penalty box tonight. Yeah. But it's a   we'll say it's an imitation   of an existing software that I have familiarity with.   The function is you post 140 characters.   This is log you know, you know, log in to Instagram. And now from Instagram, I can create a threads account, and I can act on threads differently because it has a different input box. So the expectations of what I input it   are different, but we also have   time. So it's not 2014.  

It's not the early days of it's not 2,008   Twitter.   We're not talking about, will Obama be our 1st black president? We have years   of experience using social media. So logging into threads and trying to figure out whether our advertisements are what do we talk about? It's like you give someone a tool   without the instructions,   and you say,   play with it.   You can hurt yourself. You can injure yourself. You can embarrass yourself, or you can make a $1,000,000 by selling   influence, like influencers.   So now   when people are given threads   and they're using it to promote their work, I looked they I don't know what the following count is because   people get banned and they create new accounts. So if you create a new account and you begin to build up a new following, like a cult, like an influencer type of thing, and they'll be selling stuff. So I don't get   feedback from other people to say, yes. This person's verified as a real human being.  

They're representing their branding, so they're trying to sell you an e code. Everybody is trying to sell something. You know, Snapchat, they're trying to sell you sex. Threads, they're trying to sell you   ecourses and   training and   expertise and coaching.   Social media, it really isn't even social. It's all   selling of ideologies,   ideas,   brands,   these types of things. So it would be naive for us to pretend that we don't have   a reason for doing what we're doing. I think that was brought up early in the conversation to say,   why did you invite me on the stream? What is your reason for talking about Elon Musk and then showing me all these video clips? So, like,   what is the reason you're doing these things?  

And we're just here for entertainment, for discovery, for conversation, for knowledge sharing, for what is your perspective look like from Florida? We were almost to Florida, but there's a hurricane. So the weather   prevented us from going further. So we went north   to go south because we had to go around because North Carolina,   Asheville, that city is not on the map anymore. I don't know. I think they have to wipe that out and say, no. It's just a lake now. It's a pond. It's a puddle.   People can't live here anymore. So maps change over time. Social media platforms change over time. And I get that as 2024,   and we have to engage with the Internet and that naturally,   it will follow that there will be an application that a government, whatever the government looks like,   going forward for American citizens to log in to check what their property taxes are gonna cost and what they owe and making payments and combining payments and taxes   and paying parking tickets. It makes it makes sense that that would be   more efficient. The pushback might be well, you know, government need humans and seats at desks to do   office work because   if they don't have jobs, then we don't have,   you know, income. If people don't have income, then they don't spend the money. So now we have to figure this out. And if the solution is universal basic income,   I don't know if we're quite there yet. So the problem is and this is where we feel the heat and the anxiety and the frustration   when we're looking at numbers. It it hurts in the pocketbook. So going back to the PayPal mafia, you know, Visa and Mastercard and PayPal, when they were saying, well, you we don't want to set a precedent where we can allow money to go towards the whistleblowers   or revealing government secrets, military contract secrets, you know, atrocities, sexual scandals, all the blackmail, that sort of stuff.  

So if we can pay to support that,   that's not gonna look good going forward.   So they have to cut that off. It's interesting that at the same time Bitcoin emerges kind of out of 2,008 financial crisis occupied Wall Street, Bitcoin white paper, Satoshi Nakamoto, all that stuff. So 2,009,   and then we get an occupied Wall Street.   But then to use Bitcoin to be a way to support WikiLeaks is an interesting   part of the story.   So is that to say Bitcoin exists because with WikiLeaks exists?   They were functioning  

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No. It's because they thought it was an untraceable form so they could deal with human trafficking and snuff films.   That's why it exists. Everything always exists because of fun WikiLeaks.  

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You couldn't use PayPal. You couldn't use PayPal. You couldn't use Visa.   Bitcoin was the option and the experiment to try to use it to send money to WikiLeaks, to the website, the organization, whatever.   So that was the experiment. People didn't know   if it was anonymous or if it could be tracked back to them or how to   function. That that was part of the experiment moving forward. That was part of the innovation of Bitcoin. It's part of Bitcoin history.  

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Yeah. So everyone who did anything nefarious on it, they would have a fully tracked wallet.   What if it was only there for that?  

[02:38:54] Unknown:

We know that now, but then we didn't know that. So now the fear of Elon Musk   and his influence with Peter Thiel and Adelsons and money and all these people, you know, emerging together   and then becoming more powerful   together   talking. That's   that creates anxiety a little bit. Like, what's the worst they could do? What's the best they could do? Well, could they be good and evil at the same time and cause damage and destruction to their enemies? Or am I on their good side?  

[02:39:26] Unknown:

I don't know, but I'm so glad we didn't have to try to write this in an article and send it out in paper and have it ran with ponies to everyone's mailbox.   And we got to just say it all here on a public platform on our microphones.  

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Via Elon Musk's Starlink.  

[02:39:42] Unknown:

Not yet, but there are places   that if   during storms,   I'm sure people were real grateful that there was Starlink, and they weren't waiting for the government.  

[02:39:53] Unknown:

Oh, that goes back to the hurricane relief effort.   Yeah.   Using ponies and mules and all the available resources.  

[02:40:02] Unknown:

Well, the we could have helped a lot more instead of just that. It was just that the government is corrupt,   and so it needs to be held accountable   and maybe on a blockchain.   It's already there.   Sure. I mean, yeah, the only way to dismantle it is if people are paying attention to what the fuck it's doing. No one's paid attention till now. This is the first time ever. This is the most paid attention to. This is the only way.   They have to notice. They wouldn't know what any of these cabinet positions are. They wouldn't know who half the people are, but now they're paying attention.   So it's a good thing they're watching the movie because this shit has been happening on top of them their entire lifetime.  

So this is the first time   they're actually paying attention.   And we were all shadow banned for saying the same shit,   but now we can say it.  

[02:41:01] Unknown:

Feels okay to me. When I started talking, I gave a free NFT avail to people through my website. I made a,   joke about a PayPal hat, p a p a l,   because it sounds like pay, p a y, pal, PayPal and PayPal.   So then I made the joke that the hat was, like, the, the bucket you put coins into. So I was asking Elon Musk   to bless me.   You know, he's the Doge father. He has some spiritual godlike authority,   you know, godfather   being   that sort of thing. He's on MAGA.   Sure. So I was asking him to bless me and deposit   Dogecoin into my account because I made this art   which brought awareness to ideas.  

So I was asking for some funding.   I'm a little upset that my Dogecoin wallet wasn't   wasn't filled up. So that's me harboring resentment and and hate   and negative emotions because I didn't get funded.   Yeah.   Maybe I just have to update my my wallets.  

[02:42:11] Unknown:

Maybe.   Rockfin quit really quick. Piece of gold in the mail today.  

[02:42:18] Unknown:

Nice.  

[02:42:19] Unknown:

Yeah. I got a piece of gold in the mail today, and   I got some cryptocurrency in my wallet today. So I'm grateful for both ends, and they both feel like currency to me. I also feel like I had a whole bunch of people in my life just, like, send me love. That feels like currency to me too. I had somebody feed me a meal. That feels like currency to me too. So I just   think you can fight against what currency you hate.   That's it. Some people hate   putting their stuff in stock. Some people hate putting their stuff in a 401k.   Some people think tractors are a waste of gas.  

So it's just you decide. Everything is an amount of energy you wanna put in or take out.   And some people are really bad at investing. They're bad at investing in stocks. They're bad at investing in people. They're bad at investing in themselves.   And I just think, you know, that goes to show. You can usually see those people.  

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There are coaches that will help them out.   Lots of coaches. Lots lots of life life coaches.  

[02:43:26] Unknown:

Great. It siphon off that energy. Books to purchase to improve.  

[02:43:31] Unknown:

That's the location.   And access to gurus is   is something that we have now.  

[02:43:39] Unknown:

We always had it. Yeah. I mean, we've given access to people tonight to speak to our customers. To our TV, and they were like, I'll tell your fortune if you just call this number.  

[02:43:51] Unknown:

Miss Cleo.  

[02:43:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Miss Cleo will tell you your stock, what coin you want to pick tonight. You call the psychic friends network. You talk to miss Cleo.  

[02:44:03] Unknown:

They're all in California.  

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Happy customers.  

[02:44:06] Unknown:

I see the California psychic   advertisements.  

[02:44:11] Unknown:

No. There's so many advertisements for their, therapy now. Yeah.   Everywhere. Like, how many of you people are seeing a therapist? It's a therapy  

[02:44:21] Unknown:

delivery technology.   The problem was you'd have to drive and sit down on a couch. Now you can stay in your house where you're, you know, you're already agoraphobic, but you have Internet. So now you can stay in your house and contact  

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I'm not speaking for the chicks, but for dudes,   get the fuck outside.  

[02:44:38] Unknown:

It's laziness.  

[02:44:40] Unknown:

Quit talking to a therapist. Go fucking build a wall. Go do something. Raking garbage. Is addictive. The first step of therapy is getting up and going outside to meet a therapist and realizing as you're at the door of the therapist, you know what? I went outside on my own.   Don't need a billable hours for therapy right now. I I'm already outside. Now I can just keep walking.   Like, the hardest thing is just to walk outside.  

[02:45:06] Unknown:

For an agoraphobic   person, if that was their fear.  

[02:45:09] Unknown:

Right. And and different goals for different people where they're at.  

[02:45:14] Unknown:

Yeah. If your fear was sharks, you might be able to go outside fine. But once a year, you might need some   therapy to get in the water,   coaching.   I'm not scared of sharks.   I think I'm scared of snakes, but I really think my biggest fear would be open ocean. I've decided, like, seeing   the vessel I was on go off. And I have also decided into the moonlight, like a full moon and seeing just   That's that is terrifying. I mean, knowing getting a ring to someone. Like, if I was on deck with you and you went over, my first instinct would be to jump. That's the worst thing you could do because now there's just both of you in the chance that you're gonna end up so far away from each other or higher. And even if I were to throw a ring, I couldn't get it to you.   Dude, I've thought about that. I think the open ocean scariest.  

Like, scarier than snakes,   scared not even sharks.   That's your secondary.   Like, you're that's a secondary   fear over just sitting there in the ocean.  

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Like, dying of exposure like that, just laying there fucking   dying. The best part you know,   if you don't get eaten by a shark or something at best,   you lay there until you die of fucking dehydration  

[02:46:34] Unknown:

and Thursday. Cracked dry lips?   Oh.   Yeah.   So I don't know. That seems scary.  

[02:46:44] Unknown:

Sounds horrifying.  

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If they were gonna   you know, because Osama bin Laden   if that guy's real. But that seems like   taking somebody out to sea, like, instead of killing them in the moment, like, if somebody really did that shit, which   none of us believe that shit. But let's say, like, tyranny. Let's talk about Hillary Clinton. Better than a firing squad, taking her to open ocean. Walk the plank, bitch,   like a pirate.  

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It's like cruel and unusual punishment.  

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There's no habeas corpus out at maritime.   That's why we're at Gitmo right now because we don't have to abide by any of the laws of this land. And that seems to me alone, that's spell shit. That's magic shit.   That's a spell. We buy Gitmo for gold. Drop her off to an oil platform. And then just that close,   just in Gitmo, that close,   we could just do whatever we want. That is wild   magic shit. Like, what kind of spells do you have there? They hold warlocks. We can't hold anywhere else. Like, what's going on? Seems weird.  

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Did you see the meme about putting politicians in crystals, like, trapping people in crystals?  

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No. But that's getting some traction? I would believe in that. Yeah. That's Andrew Wilson's crew. That's hilarious.  

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That's hilarious.  

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That that's my biggest disappointment from this election is there weren't enough   general culture   memes.   It's like the side that was, you know, both sides. Like, you know, there's probably three sides, you know, the neutral ground, and then the left and the right, and people in the center. But there just weren't enough interesting   memes   that were culturally   beneficial   to everyone.   I think that was the magic meme of the frog guy where it was like, you know what? We're all we can all be magicians.   I think that's why it caught on because it was not necessarily saying this guy's bad, this guy's good. It was like, you know, we all have the potential of magic and creativity   in us,   and they were willing for one outcome,   maybe.  

But that was the question I asked   earlier last week, and now Cheney's here. I'll ask Cheney specifically.   It was the whole meme magic idea of what happened with the first Trump election.   And then   TikTok, which is hexing the moon and, you know, speaking into existence, what they didn't want, they were they were saying we're against   the patriarchy.   So at some point, if that magic just whiplash them and slap them back in the face, is that kind of what happened   this go around in your mind?  

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No.   I don't know. And if, I mean, if the matriarchy   were really abortions,   then maybe, but I don't believe the matriarchy is. Like, I just think that's this faux side that Lady Gaga tried to sell us. I don't believe in that. I think those Hollywood witches,   their magic fell.   Whatever the weight of Hollywood was,   they lost it. Whatever the weight of CNN, Fox News, our whole life, we've grown up with this media cycle.   They lost their magic. It was like the wizard's head was cut off somewhere along the way that we didn't know. And the spell unraveled.   That's what it feels like. Could it all be a setup? Sure.  

Sure.   But   it's better than Kamala. It's better than communism.   And I have real friends   that they're here from communist countries   where they're not allowed to worship anything   and   they're not allowed to say anything.   And so as long as I can, I will? And people that come from communism   and think, oh, everything's the same. It's just the opposite.   No. And they don't fight the same either. And so, like, your our moral codes aren't the same as the communists.   And so  

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I will   hungry.  

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Those people are motherfucking hungry.  

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The reason that I, like, I feel like I don't have children is because   whatever it means, like whatever the idea that a slave thinks   that no matter, even if they've been slave their whole life, they have this   faint little light in the back of their head of freedom. I'll fight for that my whole life. Even if I don't even realize what kind of slave I am, what kind of slave is everyone?   We're all like at some level   in the system. So I just think it's up to you to decide what level you want to be involved in it.   Do you want to LARP at all? Do you want to play in the 3 d at all? That's a magic of its own. Some people are very great at putting on that suit and LARPing, and I give them kudos as well.  

I don't have it anymore, but some days I really do. And I love serving people.   I love it. It's not a LARP. It's not a fake smile.   And so I think other people out there must have it a lot more than me because I know people that go to work and they love working every day. They love what they do. They love their patients, their clients, their coworkers, their whatever.   And so I don't know what kind of system or   but I'll fight against the ones I think are fucking corrupt.   And if it smells like shit, I'll fucking say it. But  

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I don't know. There's there's people that have a job, and   they're not overly concerned about how much or little they're they're making. They're not doing the job and   comparing   their income to other people in other parts of the world that do similar work.  

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Yeah. I feel like there's more people I know aren't on on x.   So even that it's talked about in this way, like   most of the people I still know, like   even Telegram,   TikTok,   Instagram, what's the threads?   Like most people I know they never graduated Facebook. We didn't talk about Blue Sky yet,  

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which is literally a clone of Twitter   circa 2010.   It's like they rebuilt Twitter from, like, 2010 code   and built that up with Jack, Dorsey, I think.  

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It seems like there's a bunch of codes. There was, like, an open code. I always say, like, Gerardia.   It was, like, an open code for Matt that came out, and it kind of, like, in a WikiLeaks way was like that for software.   And so it's almost like what was that other one that we Periscope.   Periscope. Remember how bomb ass Periscope was? Anytime there was a live event for a while, it didn't matter what the media event was. Everyone would go to Periscope and you'd find one of actual people   holding the phone. Before Instagram  

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added live video   to his platform.  

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Yeah. And then now you can't go on there immediately. Then it was started. It was we we could be anonymous on,   Periscope.   That was a cool part about it. And then once Instagram took it, now it's like, oh, Cheney, you're in trouble. You can't go live.  

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That's most of the time. I I remember having some HTC   slide phone and then   having 3 g Internet on it, and I could go live anywhere that I could receive cell phone reception. I mean, coming from a broadcasting background,   that was   a realization   of   this is only going to increase in capabilities.   And what are we gonna do with it?  

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And that 15 minutes of fame thing makes more sense if Hollywood is shattered.   Like, everyone thought the 15 minutes was like American   Idol. No. That was just you warming up your voice, bitch. Now we're on it.   Welcome to the podcast.   It's spaces.   It's Telegram. Come to the group chat.   But it's all really ways because human nature and human instincts are kinda like chickens. We like to be around other humans.   And so if they can fool us into thinking that this is the only community out there,   then they kind of win a little bit. Then we're all chickens in our own little coop, and we don't even know other chickens exist. The community exists outside the platform. And we've been on Telegram. We've been on Twitter. We've been on all different  

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places sharing what we're trying to do, but the community are the individuals who   continue to find where we are and follow us through everything.  

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You've found Not just you guys. I mean, there's people that don't leave their house in the way that you're saying, like, agoraphobic, but it's not just that. It's that everything in life, human nature is that they will eventually you will get lazier the easier the thing is to come. The thing that innovates is, like, you know, scarcity.   That's it's it's the way that it happens. So it's because we've gotten to this place that   people are under the assumption   that they're,   it's the same way as,   instead of, like,   calling my niece, I thumbs up her picture and I feel like I took part in her life.  

And that's kind of like what, you know,   hopefully, what you hope for. Though. It's like I'm watching you. What you hope for in things like this is that people develop community outside of just this. You hope they come here and find like minded people,   and they, you know, carry on that it's not always Alan Marcus has to be there or, no otherwise, no one's hanging out. You kind of hope that   the one of the things about your vibe tribe is that when people find it, it's not just about us entertaining anymore. Sure. It's like everybody in the chat,   hopefully, they're, like, get comfortable with each other. They start to feel each other's vibe. They feel like they can come to Telegram. But then one day, you have a friend somewhere that you can go visit. And, like, meeting your friend in real life and hugging them in the flesh   is the greatest. It's like Yeah. It's better than the only thing I can relate it to is if you've been a pen pal with somebody forever since camp and you don't see them for 20 fucking years and you guys have grown up every day you pen pal and you just can't wait. But life never works out. But every day you pen pal. It's that person, but at least the person in camp you hugged once.  

It's such a cool feeling to me. Are you reading my diary again?  

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That's what I did at bible camp. Internet. Right? That's that's what I did at bible camp. I I knew  

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yeah. I'd see these people once a year, but there was, like, 2 different weeks. So I could go next year and not see the same church the next year if they went to a different week or something. So I was like, well, we have to stay in contact. This is before social media. We had maybe Blogger and Zania blogs and things. So you could put websites up. But I just went around and just passed around some dumb object and up Sharpie, like, write your email your name and your email address and your instant message or whatever. So people were giving me their AOL. They were giving me their MSN. They were giving me their Yahoo. And I was like, well,   they all had different technologies that they like to be reached,   but I can install all those things and then send the messages. And some of those people I stayed in contact for many, many years.  

I could probably still find them today and   and say, hey. Remember that, time in 2000 something when we hung out in camp and   and we did the thing, and, oh, we had that bonding experience,   and it's sort of the value.   So the community,   we are sort of centered around a a shared value of,   like, I guess, good faith discussions   of looking at scary topics together. There's bonding over that. It's like campfire stories. Like, how terrible could Elon Musk be? Well, he's maybe not so bad,   but but we kinda got heated about it, and we bonded over it.   Now we're laughing at  

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Yeah.   It's   it's all currency.  

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Yep.  

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And some where, like, all the currency still needs the real stuff out of the real world. Like, all this electricity that we just solar panels and wind. Nope. It still needs real stuff. Like, it still needs coal and fuel and petrol,   gasoline.   Like, there's other ways. There's other engines that they keep murdering the fucking people,   but we are under this whole idea that we can't have this thing because it's finite resourced.   And it's like, we're under this whole idea that we have to reserve this thing, and we're under this whole idea that it's not just plentiful   or it's gonna oh, global warming.  

Like, I just   think that they could drill where the it's gonna replenish in those wells.   They don't have to keep popping everything.   I I just think there's the technologies that actually exist to harvest the energy that's actually there   is,   like, tenfold.   But I don't think it comes from solar panels. I don't think it comes from windmills.   But there's energy that needs to exist in the world. Like, we could all go back to Little House on the Prairie, but I if that were to happen tomorrow,   most of the people die. Like, most of the people don't make it.   Only 1 of 20 will make it.  

And so I think you have to be prepared like Ben and learn everything that you can   learn skills,   learn, have that stuff.   And then I think you also   stay abreast of what's going on out there.   Even if you don't take part, stay abreast.   Like, know what kind of animal, know the dragon that you're might be fighting against.   Because Elon seems to think the biggest dragon we're gonna be fighting against one day is technology and the computer,   and that is the crazy whole thing. He's the guy that warns us mostly when he's sitting on Joe Rogan on the biggest platform   is that AI is the scariest thing in the world. That's the only thing he fears.  



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No. We're not. We're going into a fucking   spider 12 hour marathon stream that never ends because we can't end it and the guy who can left.   And I told and I totally agree with what Cheney was saying.  

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Pluto and Aquarius.  

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We're we're going Yeah. That is Scorpio, baby. This is this is my time.   You're all in deep, deep trouble.   But we're in a we're in a   extremely feminine time. And the thing is   men don't do well with comfort. That's just a flat out thing.   Now women,   you wanna give them some comfort, and they thrive, and they're happier.   Men men are kind of Spartan motherfuckers.   Like,   if you don't have a woman in the equation, there's a reason a dude can live in a literally a one room   with, like, just his couple things that he likes over in one corner and his bed in the other corner. Like, he's like, oh, yeah. Hey. This is great. This is great. I I sleep over here right there. It's it's on the bed. See, I sleep there. Mhmm. And my stuff's right there.   That's my stuff.  



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And I poop and put it in there. In there.  

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It's great. Like, it it it and dudes just tickled pink. Just that's this is wonderful.   And and   dudes thrive the more you pressure them. The   the the more you beat a dude up, like, they will they will go, oh, Steve.  

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Steve is back.  

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Hey. Hey.  

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Is everything good? No. Of course. That's good, though. Sometimes you just have to. When you make   it's a big deal sometimes.   This this is, like, from my girlies when I just feel it like a priority.   I hope it was all gravy.  

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Oh, yeah.   We're good.  

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Steve likes it. He likes them fiery. We promised Steve that there'd be fire opportunities.   This is a fulfillment of our   contract.  

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Stepfire Stepfire,   dropped off, and then we couldn't put him back on because he had to take care of his kids, like, immediately after you did. So then it went from being a debate to to   just just us 3 friends bullshitting around.   So   but, no, that was   that was,   that was good stuff, Steve.   That was that really was that was the most fire this has had.   Again, the only thing I would say is is you just gotta bear in mind   that most of these guys because it's not your show now. So these guys coming in don't have the breadth of knowledge that you have, and you have and you're you're   taking a bunch of things you've already researched and already put them in a box as a check mark box, and you don't have to look into that box no more.  

And they don't even know that box exists, and you're already taking it and presuming it.   It's a problem that I noticed it the most because I have that that's my biggest problem that I make jumps and leaps that to me, everybody knows this. Right? Like, all my friends talk a call all the time. So what I just said is  

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a super easy thing. Of course, a 2 +2 equals 4. So so I don't even need to explain that. I can just tell just say the sulfur of it all, and every one of your friends knows what you mean. Yeah. I'm over here, like, what do you mean by the salt? Rotten eggs.  

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Are you smelling it?   No. I starts.  

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Like, for me, I'm trying to jump for me, I'm trying to jump right to my highest level of alchemy where to me, the sulfur and the salt are the same thing. And the feminine only thing that's feminine is the mercury. And through the feminine of the mercury, the split polarity of the masculine   comes back together and heals itself and becomes one again. And, like, they're just like, what the fuck are you even talking about? And then, like like, over on,   easy show. I'm not even going that high level with it. Then they put that whole  

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with the retarded guy because they didn't understand it. No. You can't use the r word like that.  

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No.   If you say it hard, this is what I realized.   If you say either   retarded,   like, if you just add a few times ahead of time, like, you're revving it up, Or   if you add 2 words together like faggotard,   then it's fine. Like, for some reason, the sensors,   there's, like, weird loops that we still beat the AI   because you have to keep your troll alive. Like, your inner asshole a little bit Like, you're talking to the attorneys. It's your meme magic. The thing that you know people that'll get this will get this. The computer won't get it. That's the shit that   your human still beats that thing. It's not creative.  



[03:06:09] Unknown:

He he did this to you you did this to the, guys the other day too, which the other day, it was great because they didn't know anything about you. So you kinda just came in and dropped a bombshell.   But you got it. You can't start out with the fucking technocratic panopticon, bro. Nobody knows what the fuck a panopticon is. I thought people did. Technocratic  

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old cultocracy,   panopticon.   It's like I can't order that from Panera.   I'm a waitress, and I'm trying to take your order, and you're speaking French. I I look. We have waffles,   w a f f l e s. This is a waffle house.  

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This is,   me being,   at fault.   K? I'm I'm I'm at fault. I thought   people No. No. It's it's just basic fucking concepts of the world in which they lived in.   My bad.  

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My bad. You're you're performance art. You know, are you on the street or you're on the stage? This is why we're in the learning to debate phase because we are used to speaking and presenting,  

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and and it's a entirely different world. That's why it's not called dog based debaters. It's deliberators. We're just working it out. Yeah. Yeah. We're working it out. Did anybody watch the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul fight? No. I did.  

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I mean, I didn't pay for it. I mean, I'm  

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not able to. You didn't you didn't have to pay for it. But,   before that, there was a a really good fight where these 2 chicks  

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beat the fucking shit out of here. I hate women's boxing typically,   but those 2 women fighting,   they actually   it was like, oh,   if a woman comes in the UFC and she has that kind of skills and doesn't work on a ground game at all, just ground defense to get back onto her feet, she will beat every woman in the UFC.   This was pure boxing. It was it was the best fight of the night. That's what she's saying though, that all she would need was takedown defense because that boxing skill was so overwhelming. So great. Both them girls impressed the shit out of me, and I usually hate female boxing fights, but that was the best fight of that night. Like, those girls were the superstars  

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of the night. Did they get paid the same as Jake Paul and Mike Tyson?  

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Dude, just be real. I probably just prefer that. They made 70¢ to every   dollar. I no. I'm not that bitch. I didn't understand. The one thing I really  

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was a little weird to me was why didn't her eyebrow dash bleed more?   I, that part I didn't get, why didn't she bleed more? A lot of the times with the great CUTMAN,  

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they will like stick adrenaline in there on a swab   and then put so much ooze in there. Like the great CUTMAN   can make it stop bleeding as long as   I don't get you there again and separate it. Like, so if if she if a good cut person can shut it, sometimes with the adrenaline, it'll like make it sticky really fast in there, and it'll stay shut. But if they get popped in that again, then it'll just gas open like part of the sportsmanship   of UFC and boxing to not blood your opponent so that they just bleed out and you can't continue to fight. If you cut it above the eye. Okay. If they cut it where they have it impedes their vision at all, then it has to be called by the doctor. And if the ref questions it at all, usually it's up here in the eyelid, and you'll notice, like, a fighter like Nate Diaz, he has, like, almost paper skin  

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here and here. And so anytime he even gets the first punch, gash. And so every fight now for him little there's a little knob right there. I can feel it on mine, and I've got a scar. I don't know if you can see it on there, but you could see there's a scar right there. It's where I've been punched there, and it's gashed open.  

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Yeah. I think a lot of, like, this Can we say gashed?   Yeah. I know. Kinda what it looks like too.   Yeah. I don't know. I was impressed by that lady fight.  

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It it was that was that was mean.   It really was. That was an interesting fight.  

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That Tyson fight, though, that was an expedition fight. He stood   like he was he took too many leg kicks to the other leg. He didn't stand in his natural boxing format. Also, he didn't have his power hand. It was a weird it it was complete expedition.   It was like there must have been contract small print that they signed with each other. Like, he wasn't allowed to take a strike with his power hand, and Jake wasn't allowed to do x, y, and z to him. Like, it was probably so fine tuned of a dance because the whole thing was just to run to see if Netflix,   its streaming platform could handle the UFC. That's it.  



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And the dishonest also in the game.  

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Yeah. Like, they just wanna see how big of because the UFC next year is or this year, next year is up for the contract negotiation from ESPN. And they've become because of WWE   now, here's this, like, conglomerate no one talks about all the time. WWE and UFC are both TKO,   and they're this private entity owned by,   I think it's,   Rahm Emanuel   Rahm Emanuel's brother, Ari Emanuel.  

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So it's like That's too that's too close to Adelson's  

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for my  

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comfort and hotter on the color.  

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Fuck it. That was the best when Steve fucking laid that out. He's like and   that's connected to the Adelson's. Like,   who the fuck are the Adelsons, Steve?   Hey. What have they done?   Why do you think they're bad people?  

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We we were talking about the archetype of the q a non conspiracy theorist   uncle. So the guy who   starts saying these words, he fulfills an archetype,   and then the response is I'm just muting the audio.   So when Steve was on   the,   combat with a k   show, the stream for the first time guest,   the chat   people were kind of saying,   this got political.   I don't wanna hear politics.   Now he's saying things that so more and more people were announcing in chat that they had muted the audio, but they're saying in the stream. So it still shows a view count, but they weren't actually listening to the audio. Like, that was the time for them to go to the kitchen and get snacks and make more popcorn and use the bathroom. I'm like, well, that's that's fine. With those guys though, it's because they don't understand what Steve's saying.  

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They don't have enough background. It's it's set and setting and and context and receptibility. The only the only thing that they were hearing was Steve's pooping on Trump. He's obviously a Kamala agent.  

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Blah blah. That's all they heard. And and that was the end of that. It was a Trump the the it was a Trump celebration. It was a victory. And then you come in and try to   say, let's not stop celebrating, guys. I have some information to share.  

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Steve's like, there is a turd in the punch bowl.  

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To be fair, let's not celebrate until   the president is put in office. We still have things to do   and Christmas  

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coming up. We still have an insurrection to maybe make it through. We have to get through Thanksgiving.   We have to make it through the 25th amendment not happening, and Kamala is still not being president. There's 25 amendments. Didn't they get it right the first time or the second time? Well,  

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all of the all of the democrats   are saying that they're gonna use section 3 of the 14th amendment to get rid of   Donald   Trump,   which will give a in it. US   golf glove.   So we get we get Peter Thiel's golf glove if they get rid of Donald Trump.   And won't that be nice? We have JD Vance.   And JD Vance isn't even a human being without Peter Thiel. I thought he wasn't human without his coach cushions.  

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Does beard teal supply his eyeliner,   his mascara?  

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Did anybody else called their Peter their peener? Like, did no one else Anytime they say Peter Thiel, they do something weird with their tongue that doesn't normally happen.   They're like, what the fuck is that? What am I saying?   Yeah. Peter just Why do you want to see about this? What What is going on? Peter, I feel like I have a lisp for one second, and then I come out of it.   Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel?  

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You're so fucked. The worst part about this is is as this has progressed in the last   the biggest takeaway for the last couple years for me has been how very close to 1984   we are, where   we look,   you know, Trumpy Trump had fucking operation warp, you know, to make sure he got us the thing out. And and his people that he's appointing were perfectly cool with that. You know? So he's not backtracking on that one bit. Like, all all steam ahead on that. Like, that was a good deal. He's still bragging about it. Well, then   all of a sudden, the you know? And then the Republicans were fully for it. The Democrats were fully against it. They're like, this is untested.  

Blah blah blah, which was actually correct. You know, they do tell the truth occasionally.   And then as soon as Biden's in office, suddenly his jabby jabs.   All of a sudden the Democrats like, yes, everybody needs it. You know, you you shouldn't have a job. You shouldn't   be able to raise your kids. Like, we're gonna hunt you down and shoot you like a tranquilizer dart with these fucking things.   Like   and and you're like so   both literally   the at the end of the day,   everybody   that was in the political spectrum that wasn't in our niche,   in in the couple niche communities that really bucked that system.  

Everybody else got it, you know, and it didn't matter. They were they were all claiming it was their side. Well, how 1984   is that shit?   Like, it doesn't even matter. Like, yesterday, we were fighting Eurasia, and today, we're fighting Asia, and it doesn't matter. It's always just the the the,   the party.  

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You guys Asia is not Asia. It's all our Asia. Let's live in Asia together.  

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Yeah. It's just do whatever the party says. Well, the party said get your jibby jabs.   And no matter whether you were red or blue, you were like, at some point in time, you were like, yes.   The Jimmy Jabs are for me. So that that's as 1984 as that gets.   Oh, you got yeah. It's about that time anyways, Janie.  

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We are running over. Thank you so much for coming. We didn't tell you. Yeah. It's okay. I already overnight.   That happened to I already took care of it. But Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. That happened before, and then,  

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the wifey already went to bed. So You're you know how bad I am about reading stuff. Like, actually, I was watching this debate against,   another guy.   And I was watching the kid, he was debating, and that was driving me nuts because I could see the kid actually look over and read the chat, and he kept going, I'm sorry. What were you saying? It's like, because you were reading the chat, motherfucker.   Like, you're talking to people. Look at them. Read the room. People talking to you. Read the room.  

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That's one of the things that I've gotten so much better at over the last year at SeaWorld Society of GoGUIS used to be the worst. Like, the chat could just be tumbling by. Like, my eyes just like, I would only see the 3 of you. I got so good at not even looking at my own head that I'm like, oh, shit. The chat. And so I've gotten so much better at being like, okay. I'm producing.   But when people come in the green room, I'll say Yeah. I never see them.   I I have to hear it. Otherwise, I'll never see them. I put on a tone to a good like a ding dong. Otherwise, I won't ever see them.  

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And and to our guests who are brave enough to speak   at   all ever.   I mean, that's for some people, that's they haven't done it. They haven't got enough hours, and they don't know how it works.   We appreciate   all the people who are jumping into verbal combat and all the other streams and platforms and   trying   trying it out, seeing how it feels. Not everyone's gonna continue to do it. Not everyone's gonna like it, but we wanna hear   more   people with human voices.  

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And opposition to everything.   Correct. Yes. So it sounds I mean,   you just   keep questioning it, keep researching it, keep looking it up, follow your intuition. I just you know, don't go blindly into anything.   It's just,   I don't know, it's where we're at. I think, but I also think if you   have a spicy debate, I think that shit needs to happen sometimes.   And when people can, like, handle it and not, like, you know, even if, you   know, voices get loud, if people can handle it and stay in the convo,   everything that's usually said,   it if it hurts your side at all, you need to go do more research.  

And otherwise, it's, like, okay to change your mind about things. So I think that is, like, the important part of being in spaces sometimes that it's just, like,   yeah, where we might disagree about it. But it doesn't mean tomorrow, I won't fully agree with you.  

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Yeah. Because usually, we're just planting these. Waffles. Some people like pancakes. Some people don't like bread at all, and they're allergic to gluten.  

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They're they're not they're not the enemy because they have a different Yeah. Preference. Change my mind about. But but the gluten, the ones that that can't tolerate the gluten, that's like a weak species. The ones that those ones and the ones that can't eat cheese and We will debate  

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eugenicists.  

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I probably should be just left to to pass away from their weakness in their, you know, deformities.  

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Is that why China's so strong? It's because they only allow those strong to survive and they  

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And they even got rid of their girls for, like, 25, 30 years. Right. They were like, get rid of me. Too many girls. Yeah. Ruining things.  

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We want a bunch of overly testosterone laden angry young men ready to just tear things apart, and they ended up with a bunch of femboys. But how do you explain that to me?  

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Can anyone explain Korean popular music?  

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I don't believe Korea is the way I look at Korea now, whatever North Korea was   was, like they're like, oh, that person's some angry person of history. It was a boogeyman, so they could pretend there was, like, a missile guy. And even Hollywood tried to sell us it. And then Hollywood re like,   the part of the breakdown of Hollywood is, like, everybody's character, Trump, walks over sandbag.   And then North Korea, never brought up again.   Like, literally, like, the fear of it. And then South Korea probably,   if the media, the way they talk about it and shove it in our face, there's a good chance it's probably just like Kamala's America.  



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Did the Koreans hack Sony's servers to get their movies,   and then they stole the Hollywood secrets Funny that against it?  

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No. But they did secretly   move all of their weapons   from North Korea Mhmm. Into Russia.   And that's why   we need to annihilate   Russia.   Duh.  

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You remember that one missile that they That's what like a testing of it, it looked like a cardboard missile.  

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Quickly, that's what American media is currently saying. Yeah. They're trying to push World War 3 so bad.  

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Oh, so North Korean weapons are now in Russia.   And so all of the American bombs   that have fallen   70   to 80 to 90 miles within the Russian interior   have nothing to do with Russia. They're just because   North Korean weapons were there. Duh.   That's why   we're   illegally bombing   a sovereign nation   on their own territory   deep within it because if they did have dwarf trapping weapons there, we really have justification  

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for it. After breaking the treaty that says that UN associated   people will never touch their soil,   will never be interconnected   and then taking Ukraine and going, oh, yeah. Go ahead. Come on in. That was pillow talk, Ben. It was pillow talk.  

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You can't you can't take pillow talk seriously.   Like, we're we're moms, motherfuckers.  

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Like like, what's fucked up is the entire reason for that   part of the treaty   was so that way Russia would never have missile,   somebody that was tied to their major,   enemy   having missiles available on their border. And, oh, here we are dropping missiles into Russia   from this country touching their border just like the whole thing   that they're talking about.   It wasn't it Joe Biden that said   Russia will never go to war as long as we stay out of the Baltic states   and as long as NATO states out of the Baltic states? And,   oh,   is that the Baltic states that we're in and and now Russia's wanting to fight? Question  

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from Chad. Oh, what's my favorite Korean pop song? I don't know the name of the song. The artist, Ali Minju, is found on Instagram.   Christian, Korean. That is what I was gonna say, Ben.   It's What? It's made it. The name is Ally Minju, m   I n j u. She raps,   and, she believes in YHVH.  

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Oh, Christy Krenkel had it also. Pink hand wave.  

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Yeah.  

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She's, not a half red Ephesians girly.   It's at Ellie Minju on Instagram   and threads.  

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Oh, shit. We love you guys.   We're sorry that we didn't have the,   reparations debate.   Steve was fucking firing. He was ready to   and and then didn't have it.   And it freaking died, but he was ready. Either you could see the spirit was there. It would have been a fiery one. If that, if that if that yellow belly   yellow belly,   Nico Haas   ever decides to show his face right   here. We'll see what happens.   And thank you so much for coming in, Chaney.   We would absolutely love to go over and chat with you on your show. I assume you can hear me.  

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We're recording it and play back.  

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AI assistance will We'll wait till she gets over. She had to go pee. Love the fireworks.   Yeah. Well, there was one time she was just looking down when Steven,   Steve was going off for, like, 5 minutes. And I thought and she froze, but I could see her background changing. I'm like, no. The background's changing because she did not move 1 inch. I was like, wow. For, like, a full minute and but the background was moving. I was like Yeah. So,  

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background, there was that one clip of Elon Musk and I think Peter they were in a room and there's a table in the background. There's, like, a king of diamonds card   above the guy's head. I was like,   just let it go. It doesn't mean anything. Don't worry about that. Don't let you know, symbolism could be their downfall, or it could mean nothing at all. Don't wanna   get sidetracked by   backgrounds   and background checks and early life histories on Wikipedia.  

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That could really go bad for us if we Oh, nature versus nurture. That's a good one, Ryan. That's a real good one. I asked some, some, other ladies to come on. Cheney can obviously   come on that one. You're always welcome, Cheney, and we can't wait to go over and visit you. I was saying you had stepped off. I was saying thank you, so much for coming on.   Can't wait to go on with you and,   in the more normal time.  

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I don't care about I I think it's, it's it's fucking healthy. And I think that a lot of the times,   maybe men have these conversations   and, then, you know, both leave friends   still. And because of kind of the soft world we're in, it's   like we're uncomfortable. We're never talking again. Like, no. We can disagree about this one fucking thing because probably 90% of the other shit we agree on. You know? So it's like I don't know. We're all   I I think it's healthy, and people are kinda scared of it. And they do it in an unhealthy way. And so it's like, no. I I don't think it's a bad and it's not like   a bamboozle   of, like, no. Here's what we're here to do.  

Yeah. Well, I actually did forget I was coming here   to the I'm like, oh,   I forgot the name of the show. I always remember the Huskies.   And I because I think it's one of the cooler logos, like the dogs with the 3 d glasses.   And I I was like, oh, shit. Like, immediately, like, okay. Let me change my whole I was all in the cut, and I'm like, oh, I need a sativa joint for this.  

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You're like, dude came out with the fucking canons, and you're like, oh, yeah. That's right. This is supposed to be controversial. Yeah. I forgot where I was like, what's up?  

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That is the set and setting. And if you expect a debate and you don't get a debate, you know, our audience is gonna rage at us. Yeah. I forgot I forgot what I was up to. I forgot the whole thing.   We do wanna extend a proper invitation   to Cheney for a Tuesday night and choose a topic and then assign a position to us, and then we'll we'll play with that. So I was I was talking bad at it because I'll try to air myself and then be like, oh, I just changed my mind in the middle of that sentence. Did you ever play that game of risk where you have territories and dice and you roll in the fight armies?   If you play according to rules where they randomly assign countries to people, and then it's a world domination game where you take it over instead of a draft format where you put your army where you want it, then everyone goes after Australia or everyone everyone chooses their favorite country to start with. When you are assigned a position that isn't your favorite   and then you're told to debate it,   are you a bad guy for debating something you don't believe in? It's like now play with that. Play with those feelings.  

See what that's like.  

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Australia is easy to hold because it's only No. It's not. Point.  

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No.   You can't talk about Australia. You've never been there.  

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It's only got one thing. No. You don't need to talk about it. North and south of New York. Shut it down. It's only got 3 pins. Stream. No.   No. Love you guys.  

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Thank you.  

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Steve's like, oh, yeah. That's me.  

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Thanks for having   me.  

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Be good, kids. Be good.  

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Nar. Nar. Nar.  

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Are we on stream?  

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Nah.   Nah.  

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Nah. It still says live.  

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Nah. I have no attention span.  

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Okay. We can be off the stream now.